Single Ladies In Your Area - Baby voice, the 90/10 rule and knowing what you want with Ania Magliano

Episode Date: May 23, 2025

This week Amy and Harriet are joined by comedian Ania Magliano, who answers questions like: How much arguing is too much arguing? Is it okay to not know what you want? And is doing 'baby talk' in a relationship (or something equally embarrassing) inevitable?Listen to Ania's podcast A Bisexual and a Boyfriend on your favourite podcast app.Harriet is performing her critically acclaimed stand-up show Everything Always Works Out For Me at the Leicester Square Theatre on Thursday 12 June 2025. For tickets and information head to harrietkemsley.com.We want to hear your dating stories! Email in at [e-mail] Single Ladies In Your Area on Instagram @singleladiespodRecorded and edited by Aniya Das for Plosive.Artwork by Welcome Studio. Get bonus content on Patreon Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Hello, I'm Harriet Kemsley. You might have heard my podcast, Single Ladies in Your Area, or seen me on Amazon's Last One Laughing. I'm so excited to be doing my last ever, well not ever, last ever this year UK tour date of my show, Everything Always Works Out For Me, because last year it didn't, at the Leicester Square Theatre on June 12th. And you can get tickets at harrietkemsley.com. Oh, we'd absolutely love to see you there.

Hello, I'm Amy Gleddhill. And I'm Harriet Kemsley. We're both single and in our 30s. And we've found ourselves back on the dating scene. And the landscape has changed. Everyone has settled down. But we're back out there. We're desperately trying to figure out what the hell we should be doing.

So we're going to speak to experts, chat about dates we've been on. If we manage to get any. And share your tips and horror stories. So we all feel less alone. We might even get our exes on. Yeah, we'll see about that. This is Single Ladies in Your Area. Hello, everybody. This episode, we are talking talking about is it a date? Is it not a date?

Yeah and then we have the brilliant Anya Magliano one to just tell us about vibes and shiz. You know it's a good chat. And he's a bit younger than us and I think that Amy's trying to. I'm on a skateboard right now. You can't see. I've got a cap on backwards guys. Don't worry about it. Yeah, it's chill with me y'all. Harriet Kemsley and Bart Simpson have been single ladies in your area.

And just a little heads up. I tell a story in this episode that is a little bit harrowing about going back to a stranger's house. Spoiler alert. I am absolutely fine. in this episode that is a little bit harrowing about going back to a stranger's house. Spoiler alert! I am absolutely fine, but if you're not in the mood for that kind of thing today, save this episode for another day. Hello there. Hello baby. Hello sugarplum.

We meet again. How are you doing? I'm good, I'm good. I'm just living my sober life. Yeah. Yeah. You're glowing. You look angry, but with a glow, with a beautiful glow. I'm unleashing a lot of rage, a lot of feelings.

I feel very raw. Oh, wow. Primal. Primal. Sexy. That's sexy. Is that sexy? Yeah, like a cave woman. When I was like... It's frightening. If people find frightening sexy, then definitely sexy. Then I'm sexy, I guess. What can I do? I guess I'm sexy.

How are you doing? I'm good. I'm good. I'm having a nice time. I've realized I don't know what a date is. What is date? What is date? Because I've been doing like lots of nice things with a variety of different people and I, if someone goes, what have you done this week? And I'll say, and they go, oh, you went on a date. And I'll go, no, I didn't. Did I? And I don't know actually if I've been on dates or not. How do you know if it's a date? This is a confusing question. Give an example. or not? How do you know if it's a date? This is a confusing question. So like, if you... Give an example.

Imagine you go to the cinema with a boy. I can't even imagine. It's a lovely idea. My annual cinema trip with a boy. Yeah, sounds great. Is that a date? Well, I think this is what's confusing. I think this is, I think it is confusing in, in our lives because we have a lot of male

friends. Yes. And I do go to the cinema with male friends of mine. Oh, absolutely. But often with like multiple people at once. And I know that's not a date. I'm not confused about that one. But what if you're like not really

good friends? Yeah, yes. You know? But then also I do think people just like going to the cinema. So I genuinely don't know. I don't know. I'm the wrong person to ask. Why are we asking each other questions by this? I don't know less than you Amy. I don't know what a date is. So basically in this last week, when I've told people what I've been up to, one friend

has gone, oh great, you're going on dates, that's really nice. And I was like, oh, and that was a female friend. And then I saw a male friend yesterday and I said, have I been on a date? And he went, well, what did you do? And I told him, and he was like, no, no, that's not a date. He's married. And he was just like, what did you do? And I told him, uh, and he was like, no, no, that's not a date. He's married. And he was just like, I would go to the cinema with like a female friend. And I was like, yeah, I mean him have been to the cinema together. And I know that's not a date, but we're friends, friends. I just, I basically don't know what I don't know.

Because I would go to the cinema on my own with a male friend, but I would know them well before. I would never be like, oh, hey guy, I don't know you very well. Do you want to go to the cinema on my own with a male friend, but I would know them well before. I would never be like, oh, hey guy, I don't know you very well. Do you want to go to the cinema together? Yeah. But actually I would like to go to the cinema. So maybe I should start doing it. I do like going to the cinema. But is there like vibes? I don't know. I never know. Probably not, but maybe.

When you put your hand in the popcorn, is his penis inside the popcorn box? No, because it's in my bum. No, no, none of that. Absolutely none of that. Do you know what it is? It's like if you're hanging out, this is why I think it's confusing. If you're hanging out, if you're two single people and you happen to be the genders that the other one fancies and you are, and you fancy them probably you've not thought about it that much, but you're like, yeah, I fancy

you I guess in my head because I fancy them. It feels like a date because, but only because I fancy them. I don't know if they fancy me and presumably not. I think this is on men. Why are they not making it clear? Why are they not being clear? Like, would you like to go to the cinema with me and then you get to the cinema and then they just fucking hold your hand? Oh, that would be nice.

Why can't they just do something like, or are they just sitting there being like, I don't know if, I don't know if she likes me or like, are they just like, this film's good. Well I think that's, I think it's the latter. I think they're probably like, I really like this film. I think the thing I always come back to when I'm like, wait, is there a vibe with this guy? Like, does he like me? And I'm like, the thing I always think is if they wanted to, they would, but they're also fucking morons. So it's like, it's hard to know what the thing is.

Well, this is the situation I end up in time and time and time again, where I'm in like no man's land of like hanging out and doing really nice things, but I don't dare say anything and I don't think they dare say anything or they don't, it's not crossed their mind to say anything. But there's nothing at risk. There's really nothing at risk. Like it's that thing that Jack said have like just try to just be like, is there a vibe or like kind of like brush their leg or like just like touch their penis. Just suck them off.

Like just see what happens. No, but there's nothing. You've got nothing to lose. You've got loads of friends. You don't need another friend. You don't need another friend. So it's like, look, come on. I'm not going on endless dates with you. If you're in, you're in. If you're not need another friend. I don't need more friends. You don't need another friend. So it's like, look, come on, I'm not going on endless dates with you.

If you're in, you're in. If you're not, move on. I got more cinema dates lined up. I'm a member of Picturehouse. I got free tickets coming out my arms here. Yeah, me too, it's great. Yeah, I wanna go to the cinema. Let's go to the cinema.

Let's go to the cinema. Fucking hell. That solves everything. Oh my God. But I think it's like, what do you mean you wouldn't dare to say like this is it you should have caught like yeah this is this is we're thinking wrong like it shouldn't be like oh I wouldn't dare to presume or to like yeah like why are you wasting my time I'd go with like a go

with a good friend rather than just like yeah like oh is there something but also the the people that I'm going with yeah it is people the people I'm going with, and yeah, it is people, the people I'm going with, I do want to be their friends as well. Oh, I'm doing it on an almost daily basis. Amy, you are so busy. This is so crazy. Some of the times I've gone to the cinema, I've been at like 10am on a Thursday morning. That can't be a date, but it's the only time I can fit it in. But that's not a date, is it?

No, it's your job right now. Your job is going to the cinema with men. You don't know if you're dating or not. It's insane behavior. What is happening? I think I think I think for you, it would be really good to go on dates with people from apps for a bit. Yes, people where it's clear that it's a on dates with people from apps for a bit. Yeah, I know.

Where people where it's clear that it's a romantic thing because this is what's happening and it's like, it's you don't know and this is like such a confusing place to be and you shouldn't, you shouldn't spend any more of your life confused. I feel like you spend so much time with these people and you don't know if it's anything. Like fuck that. Like it should be clear. Yeah. And I told you personally, but I've not said on the pod about the guy who I met

and there was a vibe and it's the first time maybe ever I've gone, oh, there is a vibe. It's the vibe so strong, I can feel it. And I was like, fuck, this is great. And we were vibing, vibing, vibing. And I asked somebody else, I was like, do you think there's a vibe? And they were like, there's definitely a vibe. And I was like, oh, there's a vibe. Then we were messaging.

It was great, great, great. It was flirty. It was outwardly, great, great. It was flirty. It was outwardly, Harry, it was outwardly flirty. I've never experienced anything like it in my life. It was sexy, it was flirty, it was all happening. It was brilliant. It was absolutely brilliant. And then I was like, oh my God, come to North London.

And he was like, oh, just so you know, I am partnered. I was like, oh yeah, okay. What was all up then? He's just like, Oh, well, it's obviously very nice to hear you say these things. I just can't say them back. You can still send me stuff. Go fuck yourself. And I was like, fucking what? Oh, okay. And then I'm just stopped messaging. He could get off on it, but he wasn't allowed to do anything. He was like going, he basically said like, Oh, if you want to send me nudes, like that's totally fine. I just can't send them back. And I was just like, obviously, I'm not going to do that.

That's insane. That's like literally insane. So sometimes people... I'm so, I hate this guy. This is like, can you imagine if your partner was doing that? Like that's so fucked up. And it's so fucked up for you as well. Like, yeah, it's more fucked up for their partner.

That's so shit. But like, it's a waste of your time. Like, yeah. What? What are you doing? What are you doing? Why would you say I can accept your photos? Like, also, I'm not sending you anything anyway.

Like, I'm not an idiot. Yeah. Maybe I would have done a decade ago, but like, you just can't, you just can't, you can't trust people and stuff now so I was just like And nudes had never been mentioned and it was kind of a joke It's because I'd messaged him

So I've late one night when I'd had I'd had a couple of shandies and I and we were messaging and then the next night He was just like oh, I hope you don't have a couple of shandies again and send nudes tonight, and I was like well No, I won't Nobody needs to worry about that. Don't worry about that, will you? Please don't worry about that. Yeah. And then I was like, well, why don't we hang out? And he, no, I'm partnered.

And then he was just like, hey, but we could still just like hang out with friends and stuff. And he's like, no. Also, he kind of lured me to this thing. My cinema date calendar is full. I cannot fit. I've seen everything that's currently showing. I've even seen...

Come back next cinema season, please. Crikey. If it's in the best foreign pictures, I've seen them all. I've seen it all. I've been so desperate, I've been watching the theatre that they stream live at cinemas. I don't have time for you. I can't fit you in. I'm going to the OAP black and white screening on Friday at 2pm

just to find out if there's a vibe. I cannot. But I did go to the cinema. We tried to buy a ticket for a film and we couldn't get in because we didn't have a baby because it was a mums and babies only screening. And they are at 10 a.m. And they are literally at 10 a.m.

But was that a vibe? No. Is anything a vibe? Why don't I have any vibes? You do have vibes, but I think you just, you distract yourself a bit, I think. You distract yourself and you need to, I think, and this is what, like I literally woke up the other night

and I was like, I keep saying, I don't have time to meet somebody Taylor Swift gets a boyfriend like she's traveled the world she's done in 52 different countries wherever with the Ears tour and found a boyfriend and maintained a relationship I think I'm fine I think I have enough. And he's busy too because he's a sportsman. He's doing the Superbowl or whatever like I'm it's fine. I think I have enough. And he's busy too because he's a sportsman. He's doing the Super Bowl or whatever. Fuck. It's fine. There's no excuses anymore.

Like it's really fine. Like you're not too busy. This is madness. This is madness. What am I talking about? Oh God. It is hard to fit it in there. It's literally not though.

It's actually not. And then someone was like, yeah, I think Taylor Swift, a friend of mine was like, I think Taylor Swift gets them delivered. After the show, she's got a few people she can pick from. But like, I think it is a bit different. I don't think Taylor's on Hinge. Yeah. You know?

Yeah. I don't think she's like, I wonder what their vibe is. I think she's literally just, she has a catalog of all the best men in the world. Yeah. And goes, oh, should I give this one a go? Yeah. Bring him round. Well, I think we like ours might be a bit more like Argos catalog. I'd love that.

I love the Argos catalog. Yeah. But I think we can be a bit more like, oh, let's it's in our power. Yeah. If Taylor Swift can do the era's tour and start and maintain a relationship, we can go on one date. It's serious. That we know for sure is a date.

Okay. That does sound fair when you say it like that. One date. One date. That's one. One date. Yeah. Okay. Well on that note. A vibey date. On that note, should we get our guest on? Please. Please can we? It's Annie Magliano. It's a match. Oh, hello, thank you so much for coming to Single Ladies. Thank you so much for having me. This is my favorite topic in the world. I think it's

so important what you're doing talking about it because it's like the only thing I'm interested in is people's relationships and when they don't work. No effects. No, none taken. Are you a single lady? No. none taken. None taken at all. Are you a single lady? No. No. Locked. Locked.

Not married. Like, I have a temporary lock on. Oh. No, temporary sounds really bad. Should we tell him? When does that time end? Now. That's fascinating.

If anyone has the right key, they can unlock it and whisk her away. I'm in a relationship. Right, yes. Relationship. We've heard of them. Yeah, we've heard. Harriet's eyes are fully glazed over. Relationship, what? And how long have you been together?

Nearly three years, which is crazy to me. Longest relationship by far. Really? which is crazy to me, longest relationship by far. I never even came close to like, past 18 months before. You've doubled your record. I've doubled it. So now I'm like, we've got to keep going. Yeah. We've got to keep going. How long do you think it will last? How long do I think it will last? Well, that's such an interesting question. It's like two seasons minimum, I think it all adds, but that's such an interesting question. You're starting a podcast together, so it has to run for a bit.

Yeah, it's like two seasons minimum, I think. Yes, sure. Which is how I think about all my relationships. Yeah, but then once you break up, you can come and be a host on this. So... Thank you so much. You've got podcasts for this. Okay, I'm going to go home and end this.

Come in, come in. So you started a podcast together. Do you live together? We live together. Literally kind of doing it all. We've got cats together now. Oh my God. It's proper, proper, proper, proper. Yeah. Which is, yeah. Don't keep saying that because that just makes me get a rising panic in my chest. This is it forever till you die. But that's lovely. No, I'm not going to die. Let's not talk about that.

But do you know what? It's like, I'm not a relationship person. Like I've never thought that I would be able to do it. So it feels really unusual. I think that's like why when you say it back to me, it's like, it like pushes up against like some sort of my identity that I'm like, but I'm fun. Yeah, I think that's so true. Yes. Yeah, there is some part of me that's single again and it is like,

yeah, this feels like it was inevitable. Yeah, this felt like it was coming. Yeah. And you do feel a bit more fun. Yeah, sometimes. Sometimes you feel less smug, more fun. Yes, that's a good balance. That sounds good. Yeah. But when it's like your friends who are in couples going, oh, well, we're going out.

But it's sort of like, I don't know, we're all in couples. I don't know if you want to come in. Has that happened? Oh, my God. That sounds awful. Yeah. Yeah. But also, I'm glad that they point it out, because if it is three couples and me, I think I would feel a bit like at thought park.

On sitting on your own on the ride. Hands up. They're all kissing. That thought pack on sitting on your own on the ride. Hands up. Picture. They're all kissing. Yeah, I'm glad when it's pointed out. They're not like you can't come, but they're just like, oh, just so you know. It's like a couple's night. I guess I'm lucky there's a few couples in my friendship group, I guess we all kind of

broke up at the same time. That's ideal, isn't it? They kind of fell apart. Yeah. Do you think they were connected? Like someone saw someone else break up and was like, Oh, that sounds good. No, but that's what you do. She's really not taken as well. I think it's, but you do hear that don't you? That it's like, people see it's like once one divorce happens or one breakup, everyone is like, gets scared.

Like that's the rhetoric is that like, Oh no, like we need to stay away from this because it might be catching. Like that's the kind of thinking. But yeah, I might realize I'm deeply unhappy. And that's because the whole thing is you're meant to pretend that everything's great at all times. Who was that? Was we saying the other day that the thing, the most powerful thing that gets a month to propose is his friends proposing and his friendship group. Oh, it's external, right? It's like so external. It makes ladies feel so special. It makes us feel so special.

Just because everyone else is doing it. Yeah, but a lot of my exes, it was sort of in my first show that did a lot of my exes, as soon as we'd break up, they'd just get married. And I'd be like, are you fucking kidding me? Yeah, that's crazy. You're holding them back Amy, for me in that person. But I felt like I had a special power where I was getting men ready to meet the one. It just was never me. And then I was like looking into it because I was like, why is it?

Why does everyone break up with me and then get married? Like, what am I doing? What am I putting out there that makes them want to settle immediately with anyone but me? Because there's a thing called the 90-10 rule, have you heard of it? I know about those numbers. Yeah, so they're numbers. But I heard of those numbers, but I don't know the rule. 90 is big and 10 is a bit smaller.

And they add up to 100. So apparently the psychology behind it is if you're dating someone and you like everything about them except for 10 percent, so say they're everything you want, but maybe they're not spontaneous. In your next partnership, you only need to find someone who's spontaneous, even if they don't have any of the other 90%.

And you go, fuck, this is the one, they're spontaneous. Let's get married. And then within a few months you'd be like, oh, but they're not kind or smart or funny. And I don't actually like them. But it's the 90-10 rule. So I think, I don't know what the 10% is I'm lacking, but whatever it is, every other girl has it who goes out with my exes.

So I need to work on that. Don't think about that. Don't think about that. Don't think about that. No, but that's good because you're the 90%. Yeah. Yeah. You're getting 90%.

I'm getting 90%. That's amazing. That's so. Yeah, that's high marks. You're really high marks. Distinction actually. But that 10%. No, I really, I think I've been guilty of that definitely. Yeah, because I'm like, from what you could describe as my relationship is maybe a whirlwind. Looking to the opposite, like stillness maybe and then be like, oh, this person is still.

This person doesn't even blink. Harriet loves Madame Tussauds. She's not allowed in there anymore. She loves them. Only for us to be banned for life. So me and the Prince Harry at Madame T all sorts, have had to end it. Do you think, now, do you think like, then, if you were to like go out with someone who has that 10%, does it then become like 9 and 1% and then for the next person you're like, I'm now looking for the one that doesn't keep going?

I think women work out very quickly. You're like, oh no, I was just looking for this one thing and this person had it, they don't know the other thing. Women are self aware. Yeah, yeah, and they're like, oh, but I was missing something and I found the thing forgetting that they're missing most of the stuff. Yeah, she likes football.

I'm married to her. She like football now. Yeah. I love football. She like football, I'm married now. Yeah, yeah, and they also say with men that they- That's my impression of all men, I am so sorry. Do you have a lot of male listeners?

Not anymore. People say they might. Have you ever spoken to a man? So few, honestly. So few. I've forgotten what they even sound like. I like football now. Because they say that like a man will... can be in a relationship for a really long time,

but it's until they're like completely ready, and then they will marry whoever is in front of them. Right. And that's also a statistic that I heard. Interesting. That it's like women, it's like, you're like maybe ready for a long time or like you've done the world with whatever,

but then it's like, oh, I'm ready. Yeah. Today's the day. Yeah. It is the day. Open the front door. It's the postman. That's who it is. Hello Nana. She's the one for me. It's the postman. You got to get in there and sniff them.

Cause I was thinking like on the way here, like what's, what's my deal with this topic? Yeah. Relationships. Thank you for asking yourself. We're not good at questions. Yeah. Yeah. We actually really appreciate you asking yourself because we've had some people complain that we do not ask any questions and they're having to ask themselves questions. Chloe Beck was asking themselves questions and those questions and it was very embarrassing, but Chloe was a fantastic host. Thank you for guest hosting the book. Thank you for guest hosting the past. My pleasure. Just training up for my full position. But I was thinking, like, because of what you were saying about, like, men just suddenly being ready,

I think when I was dating a lot and not, like, feeling it with anyone, it was all because of my own issues. Like, it wasn't like I kept running into people. Like, some of them definitely, it just wasn't a good match. Because I had the sample size of dating men and women and everyone in between. And I was a bit like, well, I keep having the same problems, which is a surprise because there's so many different types of people and like they're all wrong. And then it was like, oh, it's my issues that I'm bringing to every type of person.

Like where to begin? And let's just say they're not all solved. Okay, interesting. I had a lot of like, I was definitely like, I need to have sex with someone straight away because that's what they, that's what is expected. Whereas I think actually for me, it needs to be like when I trust someone. Wow. That's a big thing to learn. It was so crazy to learn because like my current boyfriend, like he didn't want to sleep with me straight away. And I was like, well, first of all, I thought I thought it was because he had a micro penis. But he doesn't. It was just, he was like not ready. And I was like, wow, that's so, I've

never thought about that because I've always been like, well, I guess I must be. Yeah. So that was an interesting learning. I think also like just fear of general abandonment. But this is all because I've got a therapist and she tells me all these words. They're so good aren't they? I get to use them on podcasts. Abandonment. Yes, it's a good word. Not letting the guard down. Right. Whereas now it's down. That's fantastic. Okay. I thought that was funny, but you guys are acting like it's quite cringe. That's

so amazing. Good for you. Circle of trust. Oh my god, I'm going to take off my jumper so I get quite warm. It's so scary to talk about relationships and not sound cringe. Oh, oh we know. Well actually we don't know because we mainly talk about feeling. Feeling to, not even like in a relationship, not even on a date, feeling to do the very first, to talk to a man. We can't do... We can't do it. It's really hard. And look, you're younger than us. I... Not to speak for you, Harriet,

I feel like in the day, we could shack. You can't hear this, but Harriet is nodding very solemnly there. Very solemn. The bride of Canterbury. But something happens or has happened to us where now I'm so scared of it. I'm so scared of all of it. Yeah, I think that's it. I think also like I have maybe realized that I can't just sleep with people and not get feelings. And that is just something that I've learned. And so it's like I'm not that person that was just, and I think so much of it was just like, oh, you just sleep with them. It doesn't matter. You're not really like thinking it's that thing you're saying, like you're not really like checking in with yourself or thinking

about what's right. And it definitely means you spend a lot more nights kind of going to bed early and really catching up on Bravo shows. It's less exciting, but maybe a bit more authentic. Do you think that like your, that fear is easy to be like some of that is internal fear, but also like some of it is external. Like sometimes you're just like, wait, actually this is risky. It's not like, oh, it's my abandonment issue. Sometimes it's like these men are dangerous and they will kill again. Yeah. In my twenties, I just would go back with men and not think about it.

And then now I'm like, that is like, I can't imagine letting my guard down enough that I would go home with me, like, and not think about it. And then now I'm like, that is, like, I can't imagine letting my guard down enough that I would go home with a stranger. I can't believe some of the situations that you end up in. Like, I can't, it feels like a different person. There was once when I was in Edinburgh, not during the comedy festival, we'd gone for New Year's Eve,

and then I wanted to stay for another day because there was a boy I wanted to hook up with who had gone out of town and he was coming back. And there was just this one day where we didn't have a hostel booked, and my friend had to go back to York for work. And I was like, well, I'm just going to stay. And she was like, and I didn't have any money.

And she was like, well, where are you going to stay for this one night before I could stay at this guy's house? And I was like, oh, I'll just bang for roof. That was like a phrase. So we went to, what's it called? Stinky Pete's or whatever it's called. Sneaky Pete's. Sneaky Pete's, it might as well be called Stinky Pete's. Went to Stinky Peter's club.

And here's a bang for roof at Stinky Pete's. What a bleak image you're painting. Stinky old Peter's. Went to Stinky old Peter's club with my friend. The night before I needed somewhere to stay. I met someone who was really drunk and I was like, oh, he's great. And I said, can I stay at your house tomorrow? Do you want to go on a date?

He's like, yeah, you can set my house tomorrow. I was like, brilliant. I got his number. My friend, Kat leaves. I'm in Edinburgh on my own. No where to stay. I meet up with this guy. He's not anything like I remembered. He was grotesque. He told me he was an actor in Game of Thrones.

I'd never seen Game of Thrones. And I think I said that before. He said he was an actor in it because he was like, all right, yeah, well, I'm an actor. And I was like, that's so cool. I met him. He was like a little freak. We met in the, in front of the bakery bit of a Sainsbury's because he was like, come into the local Sainsbury's and I'll meet you in front of the bread bit. So you know who I am. And I was like, all right, he's wearing a long leaver coat. And you already met him at that point. But I couldn't fully remember him.

That is the oddest place of meeting I've ever heard. Yeah, right. It doesn't sound threatening. Like it's like it doesn't sound, but something about it is deeply unsettling. It's a specific aisle in a specific place to go into Sainsbury's. And then find the bread aisle. I'll meet you out in front of the bread.

And I was like, sure, why not? Then he's like, come back to my flat. We go to his flat. It's like, look, I was born on a council estate in Hull. I'm not saying it for this, but it was a scary fucking, scary estate on the very, like I had to get a 40 minute bus outside of Edinburgh. We get there. He definitely doesn't live on his own. It's definitely like his mum's flat. I presume is dead. It's so old fashioned. It stank. It was all like old doilies. Her body was

there. That was one of the clues. He's like, meet me in front of the body. Meet me in front of the body. We'll crumble some bread on her. It's a little tradition we like to do. And I was like, oh, I do not fancy this guy. I feel so uncomfortable in his house. And then we sat down and he was going, oh, my friend works at a pharmacy and he gives me these like drugs and stuff.

Do you want some? And I went, oh, no. And he went, okay, do you want me to run you a bath? And I was like, gives me these like drugs and stuff. Do you want some? And I went, oh no. And he went, okay, do you want me to run you a bath? And I was like, oh my God. And then he was like, okay, well, I'll just go and make you some drinks. And he came back with these drinks that he'd made in the kitchen and I was like, oh fuck. And so I messaged Kat being like, ring me.

So you've had, you know, the classic, so Kat rings. And you know, I was like, hello Kat, you've had an emergency? Oh my, I've got to leave immediately. And he was going, you can't leave, you can't leave. And I was like, he was like, well, I said, I'll come back. He was, he turned like scary. And he was like, I was going, I'll come back.

I'll definitely come back. You know, cause you've got to keep everything sort of like, I like you and you like me. Everything's fine. This isn't an emergency. Don't drink the drinks. Don't drink the drinks. And then he was like, we'll leave your stuff here if you're coming back. And I was like, yeah, I will. I will. And I was like, I'm just going to leave my stuff. So I just left my stuff and just walked out into this council estate, got a bus back into Edinburgh and was just like, I'll just have to find new stuff. New stuff. I'll just have to get

new stuff and just, and luckily, how great is this? Luckily, I bumped into my ex boyfriend's friend from Hull who looks like a Viking and I told him what had happened and he was just like, do you want me to go and beat this guy up? And I was like, no, absolutely not. But can I stay with you? And he's like, no, but he had a friend who I could stay with. And then it ended up being fine. God, that story is stressful. I hate that story so much. It's so scary. Even though we know you're alive talking to us. I was like, how is this going to end? I was there. I know. Does she really get out or not? Isn't that so stupid? But that's, that's fully on me. No, it is. Cause it's me making a decision to find a stranger whose house I can say that's fucking

bonkers. Do you think that we've changed or do you think society has changed? Because I think that was like, that was so that your behavior that night was so normal in like my late teens. Yeah. Mid teens, early teens, like early 20s. Early 30s. This was, that was like fun. You were just doing it for fun. It was fun. It was fun.

You might meet someone. It was fun. But like now I wouldn't even think about that. I don't know. I think society has shifted a little bit where we kind of, we've kind of added up and we're like, some of these men, they're doing the murders. Yeah, I think we do talk about it more. I think younger women these days are like on it. They're so much more empowered and like acutely aware of stuff. You're shaking it. Not me. No, not all of them. Some of us are holding everyone back. But I do know what you mean. Like it's more of a conversation for sure.

Yeah, it seems to be more like safety seems to be something we talk about rather than just like get hammered. Yeah. And I feel like younger people aren't like drinking so much. Yeah, they seem a bit more conscious. Yeah, they do a lot of mushrooms apparently, but they're a bit more. Well, mushrooms are a medicine. Mushrooms are a medicine. They're actually natural and it's fine. And a vegetable.

And a vegetable. And a vegan. But I just, yeah, I think it's a, it's a different landscape maybe. Because you don't really drink. I don't really drink, but I did do that when I was like in my early teens. I was like, did the all the dangerous drinking behaviors. But then I don't like now I don't really drink as much. Sometimes I'll have a buzz ball or two. What's a buzz ball? The circular cocktails that you can get from a news agent. Because they're just so nice to hold. Not sponsored. Honestly, like, it's crazy how much free marketing I'm doing for them. Like, but, but I'm not...

But wait, you go to the pub and just out of your bag you produce a buzz ball. Yeah, a choc tea flavour. You go to the park and you go, anyone want to come to the park for a buzz ball? Like, is that what we're doing? Yeah, I did play, one of my friends made a game called Buzz Balls, which is like balls, which actually did end with us, with me accidentally bringing a random man to a party that he was not invited to. Oh, this sounds more my street.

This sounds like something you would do actually. Yeah, just because he wanted to join in and then, and then we were all going to a party and I said, and I didn't have the guts to say to this man, you're not invited to the party so you probably can't come. Instead, I said, everyone who's coming to the party get in the Uber in he gets. Oh, so on him. It's so on him for getting in that Uber. And then I think I said, you'll probably be fine to get in. And then I did, I did when we got there, I did take him outside and say, I actually think you probably can't be here because no one at the

party finds it funny that I brought you. Oh dear. It was the most, it was like the start of my, my new year's thing is to be like telling people it's like sticking up for myself and I guess the people who are hosting this party. Great. So I, and I told him to go. This is fantastic. That's a brilliant resolution. Yeah, it's really hard to do. Yeah. But I think that when you do a really small one, it feels like you're like opening all

the doors to do the next one. Wait, what is the resolution again? This is the thing. I think the best way to explain it is to use this incredibly cringe phrase, which I'd always dismissed, which is like taking up space. But I'd always been like, what is that bullshit that like people always say when it's like as a woman, you've got to take up space. And I'd be like, obviously I'm not going to do that. Like that sounds really bad. But then I was thinking about it and I was like, oh,

that is kind of what I need to do. I was thinking the other day about when I was a teenager and like a boy fancied me, if we were like getting food or something, I would never say that I was like vegetarian or vegan. And I'd always just like eat. I wouldn't, I would be too scared to be like, I actually don't eat cheese. And I'd just be like, I've been vegetarian for seven years and we've just broken it for a man with like curtains. What's going on? So I'm trying to, trying, trying to not do that. That's weird. No, I do eat cheese now. Metaphorical cheese.

I'm avoiding cheese. Yeah, that's brilliant. I think that's really good. I think that's really good. I think that's what we're trying to do as well. I think it's just like a bit later. And just to try and, yeah, say what we think, like work out what we think. First of all, step one. That is hard. Work out what we think. It's really hard. And then say what we think, like work out what we think. First of all, step one. That is hard. It's really hard.

And then say what we think. Yeah. When people say, what do you want? I feel like you should know, but it's like, I don't know. What do I want? You tell me and I'll want that. It's easier for you to tell me what I want and I'll just want that. Please.

It's really scary to have to decide what you want. It's impossible. And I think also that you don't even realize, I was listening to something about like, there was a screenwriter talking about writing characters in films and she was like, so many of the scripts I read by women, their characters don't want anything, like the female characters in the scripts don't want anything. And I always ask them like, why are you so scared of having your character want something? Is it because you are scared to want something? I was like, I'm going to pause this podcast and maybe listen to some music for a bit.

Wow. Yeah. While I let that sink in. But it's also, I think, because then you can be seen, those characters can be seen as unlikable. Like a woman wants something, you're going after it. It's in the, oh, look who she's stomping over to get what she wants. Why is she not serving everybody tea right now? This is some bullshit. That's so true.

Anytime a woman like is active in a script, it's like, and this interesting, unlikable female protagonist. The ball busters here everybody. Yeah. God, it's hard though. Be not too much this weekend. How is it dating women? Is it harder or easier than dating men? I thought it was going to be so much easier for me. And also I was only dating women when I ended up going out with Will. He slipped through the net because he was my friend. Really?

Yeah. So I had been like dating women and it was definitely easier in some regards, but I was still burdened with my own personality. That is a lovely way to put it. It wasn't like, oh, I've been dating men and that's been the problem. It was like, I'm dating women and this is like definitely fun and I should, I was, it was good to do this because that was true to me. Yeah. But unfortunately I'm still the same person.

It's like if you move away and then you're like, yeah, I'm still here. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But then, because me and Will were friends, I basically think like I needed to be friends with someone before going out with them, which I'd never done before. And if I'd taken that approach in the way that I was dating, it would have been a lot more like, kinder to myself.

Yeah. Whereas I was going on these dates, like in these situations, it didn't really suit me being like, okay, I've got to go to this like loud pub where I'm going to be like really distracted by like hearing other people's conversations and I can't like focus and then I'll think it's because of them. But actually there's so much stuff in play. It's a meat based pub. I've got to eat all this meat and vegetarian. Oh Christ. Everyone's got curtains. Everyone's got curtains.

Everyone's got metaphorical curtains. Yeah, exactly. There were definitely some girls who I was like, oh my God, you're so pretty, like I can't really cope with this. I can actually a bit too much. I've never had that with a man. Yes, I was like, wow, I can't focus on this date because you're so hot. That's fair. That is fair. I really didn't want to get into the relationship that I'm in now.

Like, I really resisted it. Will told me he had feelings for me. Is that how it happened? Well, no. OK. I'll tell you. Do you want me to tell you? This is like a romcom. This is a thing. And also, I think we need to find some fit friends.

Yeah, I think that need to find some fit friends. Yeah, I think that would really help. Yeah. Okay, talk us through from friendship to relationship. So we were, we were friends, we were like hanging out a lot, but kind of like there was kind of a vibe, but neither of us were talking about it. Okay. Were you hanging out just on your own or in groups?

Usually in groups of three. So we have one person. Oh Christ. one person. Fucking hell! Oh, Christ! Poor person. Poor old Eddie Hare. Shout out to Sam Nicaresti, thank you for all those nights of Scrabble. But we were both sort of like, we don't maybe want to be in a relationship right now, so neither of us were going going into it looking for it.

Yeah. And then eventually we were like at a party and I would like, I had like flirted with someone and then he like completely went off grid for two days. Oh, God. And then messaged me saying, oh, I think I have feelings for you. And he was like, but it's fine. Like I'm just, I think we shouldn't speak for two weeks and then I'll get over it. And I was like, okay. And also I was like, that's not very long.

Yeah, that's kind of rude. Yeah. Like if you're going to feel it to me, yeah. Like go and live in a desert or something for a few months at least. I was like, that's half a month. That's so quick. So when you first saw him, was there anything, it's like a slow bit. Okay. The first time I didn't, it wasn't the first time I saw him, but it was like we were hanging out at Eddie's birthday and this is a really, but everyone was saying riddles. It's a cool party. This is what your people do, Arya. We need to understand this.

It's a riddle party. I would be out of my mind. I just don't, what the fuck? I don't understand what you're saying. Like this is, oh no, I'd have left. Yeah, you would not have enjoyed it. It was also like a bunch of comedians. So like everyone was like, oh, I'm going to be like, oh, I'm going to be like, oh, I'm

going to be like, oh, I'm going to be like, oh, I'm going to be like, oh, I'm going to be like, oh, I'm going to be like, oh, I'm going to be like, oh, I'm going to be like, oh, I'm going to be like, oh, I'm going to be like, oh, I'm going to be like, oh, I'm going to be like, oh, I'm going to be like, oh, I'm going to be like, oh, I'm going to be like, oh, I'm going to be like, oh, I'm going to be like, oh, I'm going to be like, oh, I'm going to be like, oh, I'm going to be like, oh, I'm going to be like, oh, I'm going to be like the fuck, I don't understand what you're saying. Like this is out of line. Yeah, you would not have enjoyed it. It was also like a bunch of comedians. So everyone was kind of doing it like with a twinkle in their eye. But after like five minutes, it does become like everyone's sincerely reading out really hard riddles from everyone. And everyone's sitting in this pub being like, is it like a door?

And so imagine like everyone's gone around, like everyone's reading out really hard riddles. It got to Will and he got his phone and he said, what does a cat say when it's surprised? And everyone was like, and he said, you've got to be kitten me right meow. And I like, I was like, Oh God, I think I'm going to fall in love with you. That is so pure. That's so awesome. It was so funny. It really crashed, like everyone was laughing.

That's great. And he said that that was also his moment because he could tell that I didn't want to laugh at it, but I had started laughing. And he was like, oh, I feel like I've achieved something. Quite nice. But then we had the two weeks of silence. So you did do that. How did you feel when he said he had feelings for you? Were you like, Oh no, you're my friend. Yeah. I was like, Oh God, I don't, oh fuck like this. This is scary. But then in that two weeks I was like, Oh, I do miss talking to him. And then I went to his birthday I was like, I do miss talking to him.

And then I went to his birthday and was like, Oh God, I fancy him, but the boat, the ship has sailed now. And then, No way. Yeah. And then, and I have like a text where I sent to my friend being like, I think he's my soulmate, but I'm just going to leave it. And then eventually we like got, we would just started hanging out again more. And then we got so drunk and like both had to go do gig.

And then we, and then he was like, I think we should just give it a go. And I was like, Oh, okay. And then I literally was sitting in this bar with my head in my hands being like, we can't, we can't. And he was like, let's just try having a kiss. Sorry, I'm telling the story in so much detail. It was like, okay. Incredible.

Yeah. I love it. Okay. And then we did, and I was like, okay. And then we walked the whole way home. Did you do it in the pub? No, out on the street. Out on the street.

I'm a classy guy. He was like, I think we should kiss. You're like, oh God. So then you had to get up and then you had to put your coat on and then you had to go outside. We're not here. Yeah. I just need to finish this drink as well and have a little wee and then. It's going on the list.

We'll get to it. And then we walked home and the whole time I was like, what have we done? What was the kiss like? You can't skip over that. Well, I was incredibly drunk, but it was, I think it was good. It was like, it didn't feel, I thought it was going to feel really wrong. Cause it was like kissing a friend, but it wasn't. It was like, oh, okay, this is fine.

This is good. Amazing. And then, and then I started to like freak out because of my whole thing of like, I'm not a relationship person and I'm going to hurt you, which is like such an arrogant thing to be like, I'm going to, I'm going to hurt you. I have the power of you. Don't trust me with your feelings. Yeah, exactly. And then what I basically did, now this is kind of crazy. I made a word document

of all the reasons why I thought it would be a bad idea for us to embark on a relationship. And then I read them to him in the park. Wow. That's fantastic. Yeah, it was on the way to a gig. I was like, I just think I just need to like, put this down in paper. So I got on my laptop and then it just kept coming. Did he contradict them as you went? Or he was like, that's bad.

No, he just listened to them. He just listened. He just listened. And at the end he was like, I think those are all like, I get them, but I think we should still give it a go. And then I was like, oh. God.ricades have been broken in such a gentle way through listening. Oh my God.

You said all your anxieties out loud. Yeah. They're just going to really save space. Yeah. Rather than him spiraling with them or being like, Oh, maybe you're right. Maybe this, it's like some, I think somebody being firm in their feelings, you're like, Oh, well, I guess, you know, I don't know. So I guess if you're sure about it. Yeah. Well, yeah, that was kind of it. It's like, you need someone to be able to hold it. So I was like, I can't hold this, whatever it is right now. Like I feel crazy. And he was like, I think we should just give it a go. And then it's kind of now it's been three years and we have two cats. Oh my God. God, I feel so cringe.

No, that's wonderful. It's really nice to hear a success story. So wait, so you basically went from a case to a relationship because you had the friendship as like the underneath, the basis of it. Yeah, and we basically, I basically said like we can date, but I don't want to be in a relationship. And then one night I was like, I love you. And he was like, okay, well, do you want to be in a relationship then? And I was like, yeah, I love you and I want to be with you forever. But I don't know if I'm ready for a relationship. But I don't like the label. Yeah.

But then, yeah, it was, it was, and then, and then we had like, then we moved in together and that was a whole other like, escapade where I went kind of crazy. And he did as well to, to be fair to me. Like we were both like cats in a bag being like, we can't do this. And then it just kind of like goes in waves. But I think we're both people with like insecure attachment styles. And so I always compare myself to people like in relationships where I'm like, you know, they don't seem to argue or they don't, I think they probably do. But like I get really like in my head of like,

other people seem to find this so much easier. But then I have to like remind myself like, oh, but they haven't had like all the life experiences that I've had that actually make it really hard for me to get to that place with someone. So like comparing yourself, it's really hard not to compare yourself to like other people's like relationship journeys. And I get so caught up in that, like even now. And sometimes I'm like, do we argue too much?

I was going through a phase where whenever I was, I'm seeing a gig, I'd ask the audience, all the couples, how often they argued. And the first one I did, everyone in the audience in Stratford cheered for once a day. Wow. Wow. And I was like, okay, great. That's fun. And then I went to another gig and was like, once a day, right?

And everyone was like, oh dear. And I was like, oh, I think it's like the Stratford, something's happening in Stratford. Something bad is afoot in Stratford. No, no, no. God no. Okay. This is the most profound relationship learning I've ever heard, which I read in a newsletter written by someone else called Haley Naiman, who's like a really good writer. And this is kind of less to do with being single and I think more to do than your inner relationship and you, the fear in you is like being like, oh fuck, is this bad? Should I leave it? And she basically said something like, if the

fear comes to you when you're still, like in a place of stillness and you're like, maybe we should break up, that you should listen to that. But if it comes in a place of like, you're anxious about work, you're busy, you're like not sleeping properly and you're like, Oh, we should break up, which is what I was doing when we were like moving in together. She's like, that's not really the same. That's just your body like, or like your brain like shaking up all this stuff. But if you're like settled and you're still and you're being like, or your brain like shaking up all this stuff. But if you're like settled and you're still and you're being like, I don't know if this is right, then that's your like gut.

I think that's so helpful because I think before I got divorced, you're like, literally like Googling like what is right? Like how do you know? Like what do I do? No one tells, no one is clear. Like they're just like, every response is like, you gotta work on it. Relationships are bad. Bad, you should feel bad. You should be sad. You have to work more. Put more effort in.

Be more miserable. And actually, it's really helpful to have, I think that's what people need is just like, literally, like, I would love to like sponsor like the top of Google to have like, if this is what's right, this is how you should feel. this is what's wrong because you don't know, no one tells you what's right or wrong, it's crazy. Yeah. Yeah. And also like, I guess there's part of it is like, and this is speaking to someone who

has never done this, but also being like, well, this might be right for someone else, but it's not right for me. Like I'm not willing to put up with feeling this bad, whereas like someone else might like in previous relationships. I've also had the thing of being in a relationship for ages that I should have broken up like a long time before. And he kept trying to cheat on me and other women kept saying no. And I was like, oh my god, wow, that's worse than being cheated on, isn't it? Oh no. And how do you kiss someone? Amy, you just got a lunch. How are you finding now working together?

When we're doing it, it's really fun because we started, so we came up with this idea for a podcast, like must have been like September or something like last year, like quite a long time ago, maybe even like July. It was before Edinburgh, yeah, it would have been July. And then we like both are not organized enough to sort of be the ones to make it happen. And then we tried to record it after Edinburgh just in our house and we kept being like too, we couldn't get out of like the couple mode of being together in our house and be like the funny versions of ourselves. And it was like, we'd be listening back and we'd be like, we're doing baby talk. No! That's horrible! That cannot go online! No, no!

Oh, I would kind of like that insight into couples though, because I know when I'm in a relationship, I am fucking gross. Yeah, I hate it. I am disgusting. Are you serious? Oh my god. Oh my god. Once, with my ex, do you know when you just do something where

you're, we forgot there was people around. This is mortifying, right? He used to do this thing where he'd put his hand out and I'd be a little bird and I'd come and perch on his hand for a kiss. And we forgot there was people in the thing and he was just like, little kiss and I go, tweet, tweet, tweet, tweet. Oh no. It is the worst thing in the world. It is the worst thing in the world. If that had been on a podcast, and ow, I would have to leave the country, I'd have to go into witness protection.

So there were people sat around, so you did it and then... Tweet, tweet, tweet, tweet, tweet. Awful. And then you looked around and you were like, oh fuck. And I was and then... Twit, twit, twit, twit, twit. Awful. And then you looked around and you were like, oh fuck. And I was like, oh my god, what have we done? What the fuck was that? I'm so sorry about that. Sorry about that.

I forgot where I was. I forgot. Do you know like sometimes when you've got your headphones in and you like sing out loud on the train, it's that. It's when you're just too relaxed, too comfortable. Oh fuck, yeah. You let your guard down. I let my guard down.

You mustn't. Never. You must never do it. Awful my guard down. You mustn't. Never. You must never do it. Oh, awful. Awful. That's really made me laugh. That's made me feel so much better.

Thank you for sharing that. I let my guard down for you. Yeah. And everyone listens. And everyone listens. It's ended up on a podcast. Fuck. But it does happen.

I think it does. You end up with something cringe when you're in a relationship, even if it's not like baby talk. There's some like cringey thing that you do, which is like just like, that's like impossible, I think, not to have. But we had to get a producer in to make sure that someone could keep an eye on that. Yeah, that's what you need. You need an outside eye. Yeah, absolutely. Or at least set it out. Can you stop kissing, guys? Can you stop kissing guys? Guys? Can you stop kissing now?

I think it's a nice thing to do together. And yeah, okay. I had like a full body dissociation as I said that and I was like, that's the most boring thing you've ever said in your life. It is nice to work together. It's a nice thing to do together. But is this... Do you want to tweet over to my hand? I would actually...

I could go home and be like, Will, I've learned about this new sex move from Amy. I really want to start doing it with you as well. Oh, I... That could be how your listeners of the podcast identify each other out in the wild. Just do a little flat. If someone puts their hand up and then if you see someone else listening to it on the tube,

you like tweet over to them. Just rest your chin on their hand and push your lips for a little kiss. I'd love that. So you go on his hand and then they kiss. It's up to you. You just do what you're feeling at the moment. It's improv. It's improv, Harriet. You just got to go with what you're feeling. What does your gut tell you? Maybe I'll tweet around for another hour. Maybe I'll tweet all the way around the living

room. Come land on his other hand on the other side. Fly away. Fly away quick to a different place. Open the window. Can you? Bye. I just realized what we've just done in front of people. I'm just going to hop out this window. Tweet, tweet, tweet, tweet. Did the other people like acknowledge it or did everyone like look away like? It's so horrible. Oh my God.

Harriet, those body language has changed in such a major way. This is the last I've said of the past. Harriet can't look at me or talk to me ever again. And I get it. I, I get it. I'm so sorry. It's great.

It's gross. Do you have pet names for each other? Kind of. Like, we, though we also also I was going to say like where it comes out is I was kind of already familiar with it because I had a cat before I had these cats and I would always talk to him like a baby. Yeah. So like, now we talk to our two cats. They're so cute. So it's like impossible not to talk to them. And we have all the, we say like mad stuff to them. And then when my, when like anyone would come around to visit them, you'd catch yourself being, they'd be purring and you'd be like production line at the purr factory. And then you're like, I'm going to have to shoot myself in the head. Because

people think I'm quite witty. That is witty. That's a great decision. That was a good one. The other one that Will was saying was the panel from the Silly Billy Awards are in and they like what you're doing. Oh, these are cute. These are witty ways to talk to cats. And you started with that line about the cats with the riddle and then it's just, you just... Oh my God, yeah. Cats are kind of like the theme. Cats are keeping us together. Not in a bad way. In a beautiful way.

It is beautiful. I love that. Amy, we've got to get out there. What tips have you got for us as a, you're cool. That's so crazy. You're so cool. I don't think for that, but thank you. What tips can you give to your nannas when they're out on the pole?

Harry just looked at me like, you fucking bitch. No, I was just imagining us with our handbags in the corner. What tips can you give to your old friends? I'm not someone who thrived on the pole. So I guess I'm not like a go out and like hook up. I guess my, the only thing that I kind of figured out was like relationships can crop up in the most unexpected of places. Ooh. We haven't found that. No. We're doing the apps and things.

Yeah. And I never found that like truly worked for me. All the best things that like the longest running things before my relationship were all people who I'd been introduced to. Someone had set me up or had been like someone who I knew through comedy or like who I'd been introduced to, someone had set me up or had been like someone who I knew through comedy or like, I just think for me like, and this might not be true for everyone but like the interests that I have, that comedy and all that sort of stuff, it kind of only worked when it was someone who kind of already knew about that sort of stuff

because it was, especially maybe I'm trying to be a bit more balanced about it but I was like so obsessed with it and at that point in my life when I was single, I was also like gigging like all the time and it was my whole life. So it was just like, how would I ever get someone who I have to explain what like a gig is? And they call me, they say like, how are you going to put me in your sketch? Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Are you doing a concert tonight? No, no, no, no. But I think just like going on dates, but I wasn't that good at it in the sense that like I would be on a date that was going badly and I'd stay on it for like three hours.

Yes, 100%. I have not figured out how to press the eject button. I've been in two relationships out of politeness. Both have been over six months and I knew day one I was like, I don't like this at all. We got me. Yes. Yes. Definitely. I'll work out how to break up with him. It's so good that we have this. We can talk about it. I will not let that happen. We'll let that happen for you again. Thank you so much.

We're on it. Thank you so much for coming on. Thank you for having me. What is your new podcast called? My new podcast is called A Bisexual and a Boyfriend. And I'm a bisexual. And who's the boyfriend? For now.

You need to add a few words. Temporary brackets boyfriend. I would so listen to that. Revolving hosts. If the podcast continued as a brand. We'll get the next one in. He could stay on and he could get a new boyfriend. Yeah. Yeah. yeah, yeah. I love this. What I'm saying is it's a franchisable format. Okay. But yeah, you can listen to it if you want. It's available. There you go. It's as simple as that.

But only if you really want to, because that's what you need to do, figure out what you want. Wow. Yeah. But maybe give it a shot even if you don't Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And what's your Instagram handle? My Instagram is at Anya McLean. A N I A M A G L I A N O. You look like you're checking my spelling. Yeah. I went so quickly. I was like spelling it out in my head. And then I was like, well, I've moved on too fast. I was like, you've got to know.

Why do we need to check? Why do we need to check? M A. Yep. That's women supporting women. Uh oh, it looks like I've met a turtle again. Thank you so much to Anya for coming on. That was really lovely. It's sometimes just really nice to hear like a story of romance blossoming. That was great. The move from friendship to relationship is one that alludes me and I'm always keen to be like, but how did you do it? How and how and why and when and how exactly did you do it? Well, because it's the perfect, it's like what all rom-coms are. It is when Harry met Sally, like that is what it is that you have the friendship and

then you build from there. But actually, I think our friends are fucking nut jobs. Actually, as Stephen would say, we need to date people outside of our socials. Yes, we do. I think. And then you know, you know that they're in, there's not all this like, well, they weren't they kind of stuff. Yeah.

Or we just need to get, yeah I think we need to get some really fit friends. Let's get fit friends. Yeah, fit normal friends. Fuck, feels impossible. Let's give it a go. Oh, so don't forget to listen to Anya's podcast with her partner.

For now. For now, we had temporary life partner, a bisexual and a boyfriend. With her boyfriend, the wonderful Will Rowland. Shout out to Will and Eddie. And Sam Nicoresti. Hello, me again, Amy Gledhill, but this time I'm with... Not Harriet Kemsley. Woah! WT, fuck! What's going on?

I'm with bloody Ian Smith. Offer to Northern News podcast. Yes, a podcast that's not about the news. Don't worry, single ladies. No, it's not about the news. It's not about being single. No. It's about the North and all of our stories are about couples. That is not the truth Ian. Not technically true.

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