Sins & Survivors: A Las Vegas True Crime Podcast - No Other Choice - Dasia's Story

Episode Date: January 23, 2024

A single bad date turned into a six-month nightmare for Dasia. After rejecting Douglas Eugene Jackson, she endured relentless stalking, break-in attempts, terrifying threats, and a justice system that failed her at every turn. Her story is an incredible account of an amazing person surviving one of the most disturbing stalking experiences we've heard.http://sinspod.co/episode13sourcesAdditional Resourceshttps://www.stalkingawareness.org/stalking-awareness-month-2024/ Domestic Violence Resourceshttp://sinspod.co/resourcesClick here to become a member of our Patreon!https://sinspod.co/patreonVisit and join our Patreon now and access our ad-free episodes and exclusive bonus content & schwag!Apple Podcast Subscriptionshttps://sinspod.co/appleWe're now offering premium membership benefits on Apple Podcast Subscriptions! On your mobile deviceLet us know what you think about the episodehttps://www.buzzsprout.com/twilio/text_messages/2248640/open_sms Disclaimer: This post contains affiliate links. If you make a purchase, I may receive a commission at no extra cost to you.Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/sins-survivors-a-las-vegas-true-crime-podcast--6173686/support.

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That is, unless you're Douglas Eugene Jackson. Deja Washington found this out the hard way when she spent over six months of her life in 2014 living in constant terror that she was going to be murdered. Jackson's escalating campaign of terror has permanently affected Deja and how she lives her life. Today, we're going to and how she lives her life. Today, we're going to tell you all about her experience. Hi, and welcome to Sins and Survivors, a Las Vegas true crime podcast,

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We also have a webpage where you can find all of our info at taplink.cc forward slash killerconpodut. This is Kobe and Brian signing off. Keep your ears sharp and your instincts sharper. Hope to see you there. All right. Welcome back. all right welcome back as we mentioned today we're going to be talking about another stalking case stalking and domestic violence are unholy bedfellows they're not the same of course but they're related phenomena and they often overlap while domestic violence is always

perpetrated by someone close to the victim, with stalking, that's not always the case. There's a lot to Deja's story and her experience with Douglas Jackson. She's been interviewed quite a few times since the events, and there's no one better to tell her story than her. We recommend, after you're done here, that you go check out Simply Stalking's extensive interview with Deja. There's just nothing like hearing about her experience from her directly. We'll talk about her a bit later in this episode, but for now, we'll just say that she is an amazing, resilient, self-aware young woman, a true survivor. There's lots to admire about her. So before we get into the stalking, let's talk about Deja. Yeah, she's as cool as they come. If you follow her on social media, you'll see that right away.

She's on the networks you'd expect like TikTok, Instagram, and YouTube. Back when this happened in 2014, she was posting about it on Imgur and Reddit. We're going to share links to all of her socials in the show notes, so you should definitely go check those out. She is an excellent content creator. From her interviews, it's clear that she's a bold and resilient person. She believes in living life to the fullest and trying everything. She says she overcame her fear of traveling solo by taking a trip alone when travel plans with a friend fell through.

She worked through being shy and a bit introverted by hosting bar trivia, doing stand-up comedy, and participating in open mic poetry nights. She said, It was just to prove to myself that if I do something and fail, even if it's in front of a room full of people, that the world isn't going to end. No one is going to care or even remember, so you might as well do the thing, get a great story out of it, and grow. In 2014, Deja Washington was only 21 years old. She had just moved to Las Vegas, where a lot of people move every month because, well, it's Las Vegas and it's a great place to live. Being in her early 20s,

she was doing a lot of dating, of course, as you do. And in February of 2014, she started dating Douglas Eugene Jackson. Interestingly, she doesn't really remember how they met, but they dated for only about three weeks. It's interesting to hear her break down their experience dating and how she started seeing red flags almost immediately. She mentioned that he often seemed like he was more gathering intel on her as they talked, and they got to know each other rather than having a standard back-and-forth conversation where one person talks and the other person contributes to the conversation, So it wasn't really like that. And she also said that he made some pretty unbelievable claims about his past. He was only 22 at the time, same as her, pretty much. But he claims to have had some experiences like having been a former firefighter that seemed pretty far-fetched and like a lot of BS. Jackson was also exhibiting weird behavior, even in the context of dating. For example, he would call Deja. And when Deja didn't pick up, he would have someone else call just a minute

later. So Deja would see a number that she didn't recognize, pick up, and she'd hear Jackson in the background saying things like, oh, she picked up for you. That's fucked up, man. So that, of course, upset her. And she did not appreciate that, of course, upset her. And she did not appreciate that kind of behavior out of him. He was trying to trap her, getting other people involved in their relationship. And only after about three weeks and two dates, as you mentioned, Deja ended it by saying that it really wasn't a good time for her. She had a lot going on. And in the beginning, it seemed like Jackson was okay initially agreeing with her that he had a lot going on too, and she didn't think much of it. So all that was pretty short-lived. Shortly thereafter,

around March, he contacted her again, and he told her that he had changed his mind and that he had decided that he deserved, note the word deserved, a second chance. It seems very much a part of this person's personality. He continually comes back to talking about things he is owed and things that are deserved to him. And her owing him a second chance is just one example of that. So she initially reacted like a lot of people would. Her initial reaction was like, screw you, dude. I don't know who you think you are, but I don't owe you anything. And I think that's a pretty reasonable reaction. And that's exactly what I thought when I heard

what he said to her when he contacted her again. In her interview, Deja also talks about how her feelings on this map pretty well to the stages of grief. The stages of grief are denial, anger, bargaining, depression, and acceptance. It doesn't map perfectly. It doesn't really seem like she ever touched on the acceptance phase happily, but you can clearly hear that she went through several of these stages throughout her experience over the next few months. Initially, she played off his recontacting of her. She must have assumed that this was just a one-off and that he was calling her again and that he really wouldn't persist. Well, bad news, he persisted, and that is quite an understatement. Deja was very forthcoming

about what has been described as an escalating campaign of terror that she went through. This is not an exhaustive list of incidents for sure, but it's pretty long and scary, and it gives you a flavor of what we're talking about here. We haven't said too much about Jackson here as far as his personality, mental health, state of mind, etc., and of course we aren't here to diagnose him for any mental disorders, but it seems pretty clear that there's something fundamentally broken about Douglas Jackson. And it seems like he could benefit from seeking professional psychiatric help. And of course, we hope he gets that help. Though for reasons that will become clear, I'm not sure that I hold out a lot of hope in that regard.

I want to stress again that all of these threats that Deja received, all of this harassment happens over the course of just six months. There were a shocking four separate occasions where Douglas Jackson tried to break into Deja's apartment. One time he tried to break in with someone else, but luckily a friend of Deja's was able to chase them away. On April 25th, 2014, he tried to break in again and was again chased away. This time, Deja's friend fired a warning shot with a firearm. Unbelievably, Jackson tried to break in again, and later that same day, he was met with two more warning shots. We don't know why Jackson wasn't arrested after his breaking and entering attempts. Police will tell you, as they told Deja, that they can't arrest someone for stalking unless there's a pattern. Beyond the fact that a B&E is a whole separate crime, this does seem to be

a pretty obvious pattern. Each time Jackson fled the scene and hid from police, it's just hard to believe that that's all he needed to do to keep from being arrested for harassing and trying to break into her apartment. He also had an unnerving and almost savant-like ability to find and harass her on a platform and say that he needed to see her or contact her or whatever, and they should work it out or whatever unhinged crap he was going to say. And she would block his account. She would not respond, only to have 10 new social media accounts pop up shortly after and recontact her, admonishing her for blocking his last account. It's honestly hard to imagine how disturbing and unsettling that would be when you really start to think about that. And as if this isn't bad enough, of course,

it gets so much worse. Because of Jackson's intimidation and terror campaign, Deja was essentially evicted from her apartment. The management company let her out of her lease, but the reason was that her neighbors were afraid of Jackson and what he might do. She moved out on May 31st and her next apartment wasn't ready yet, so she had to stay in her U-Haul in the meantime, which is like a whole other level of nightmare. His stalking essentially made her homeless, even if it was just temporarily, which is not uncommon for survivors of domestic violence and stalking, where things reach a point where leaving the place you live in is the only option you feel like you can take in order to have some safety.

In June, however, things even escalated more. She has said that he was never afraid to make threats against her, that he would physically harm her, but in June he told her that he was going to shoot her in the face, and her reaction to this was about what you might expect. She was extremely terrified and realized this wasn't going to stop. Her reaction was like, oh wow, this is really happening. Later he told her that he planned to kill her, then kill himself, and even threatened to go after her family if he couldn't get to her. A little more on that later. You might think that she was pretty thorough in erasing her online presence by recreating and sometimes removing social media accounts, and even moving, and you'd be right. She was very

thorough, but somehow this unhinged dude kept finding ways to contact her. In one of the previously deleted Reddit threads that we unearthed, as you can imagine, there was a lot of second guessing and armchair quarterbacking going on. People were quick to tell Deja to do things like delete all your social media, change your appearance, have your family delete all of their social media accounts, and so on and so on. And as Deja pointed out, she did everything possible, and he just kept finding her. She thought that moving would make her safe because at least he couldn't locate her physically. But unfortunately, Deja registered to vote. And in 2014, he had enough information to get her new updated address, and he knew where she lived again.

In case you're wondering which platforms he stalked her on, the list is surprisingly long. He harassed her on the platforms you might expect, the typical harassy platforms like Facebook, but he also located her on Imgur, Reddit, and even, if you can believe it, Duolingo, the language learning app. We use Duolingo here between us, and I had no idea that you could even randomly message people in there. But he did. He found her on Duolingo.

The other thing that's crazy is that she created usernames on these platforms that had nothing to do with her name, and he was still somehow able to find her. It seems like at least part of the problem was that when this happened in 2014, the protections on these platforms were just a lot looser. Not that they're great now, but they were definitely a lot less secure then. Deja applied for a restraining order in May, a TPO, and it wasn't granted until September 23rd. In the order, she provided some quotes of things he had said to her over the course of the ordeal. And I'm just going to trigger warning because some of this gets pretty graphic. He said things like, hey, bitch, we are coming for you. The police won't find me. I'm planning a raid. I am tracking you. Jackson avoided the police

and the people serving the TPO. Deja said at one point, Jackson sent her photos of the note that the sheriff that was attempting to serve Jackson with the TPO had left. And Jackson was like, what you are trying to do is stupid. A restraining order is just a piece of paper. And we've talked about restraining orders before in the episode where we covered the family annihilation of the DeJodum family. In that case, Fikeo was not granted a restraining order because of an arcane procedural point, and it cost her and her children their lives. And in Deja's case, the order of protection was granted, but it was basically useless because it couldn't be served on Jackson. His tactics when stalking got even scarier and scarier over time,

too. At one point, he contacted Deja's mother and attempted to manipulate her into giving him information about Deja and her location and what she was up to. One of the things she said about him more than once is that he can be very charming and manipulative, often getting strangers to do his dirty work and enabling his stalking behavior. After he was in contact with her mother, he sent Deja a map to her house and suggested that he might pay them a visit. At one point, he attempted to even mail her an empty package with Do Not Forward on it. His goal there was to get the post office to essentially document her new address and send it back to him. But happily, the post office is incompetent and

actually forwarded the package anyway. So in that case, he failed to find her address. So then she got this empty package and she had no idea what to do with it. And she was like, what is this? Is this a bomb? Is this whatever? So she said things like she sunk it in her bathtub. She had no idea what to do with this package. But then eventually she opened it and it was just an empty package. So just another example of him terrorizing her in just the craziest ways. So after she moved out of her apartment in May, she got a text stating it was from her former landlord. And the message claimed, you know, it was her landlord saying there were some damages

to her apartment and that she should click on the attached link to see the itemized list of the costs that would come out of her deposit because of this damage done to the apartment. Deja was clever and savvy, and she noticed that the link was an IP grabber. So she reached the conclusion that this was Jackson, again, terrorizing her, attempting to get her to give him her IP address so he could do a location lookup based on it. He also, at one point, created a Facebook profile. He put Deja's hometown as his location, and he added everyone he could find from her high school class in an attempt to get information on her. He also at one point took a picture of her moped that she was using as her main method of transportation just to let her know that he was following her. He texted her at one point

that she'd wake up to gunshots and that if she didn't meet him, he could find her. And he made some incredibly disturbing threats about sexually assaulting her that we aren't going to repeat here because it's too disturbing. Something he would also do repeatedly is that he would demand that she meet him. So at one point, he went quiet for a period of time, which he found even more disturbing. She compared it to being on a boat and seeing sharks circling the boat. That's scary, of course, but at least you can see the sharks. When the sharks go away and you can't see them anymore, you have no idea when they're coming back. You know they're there, and you know they're coming back, but you don't know when they're coming back. So she found that even more disturbing. And if you're wondering why she didn't share any of this information with the police, well, we are here to assure you that she very much did repeatedly share all this information

with the police. She was documenting it very, very thoroughly. She found it extremely hard to get law enforcement to help her and even take the situation seriously. It's probably pretty obvious based on everything we shared here that Deja was in legitimate physical danger over a long period of time. So why was it so difficult for her to be taken seriously by Metro? I wish I had the answer to that. In mid-August, she woke up to Jackson pounding on her door and ringing her doorbell incessantly. She again called the police and she

even made a video of what was happening. And as she described it, this is a direct quote from Deja, I was hit with the same hoopla from law enforcement. Well, we can't really do much because technically at this point, he's not doing anything wrong. Metro did finally assign a detective to her case, but at this point, it will come as little surprise that he wasn't helpful. At one point, he told Deja that she must have gotten the wrong idea because he had spoken to Jackson on the phone and he seemed like a really nice guy. Another thing we want to mention is that absolutely epitomized this just goat rodeo that was her experience dealing with the legal

system is that when she went to get her restraining order, she was told that she had to go to family court because she had gone on dates with him. So if you take a moment to think about that logically, you'll see how absurd that is. Think about people who are in family court seeking orders of protection. It's people like Fukayo, who are married to their stalker or abuser. And the idea that she needed to be in family court is just about the stupidest thing I've ever heard. I don't really know what the cutoff would be. They went on two dates. What if they just had lunch? What if they went to Applebee's and split a burger and decided it wasn't going to work out? Would they still have to go to family court to

arbitrate? I mean, you can see why people have no faith in the legal system that is ostensibly there to protect them. His relentless stalking had a completely devastating effect on her life. As we mentioned earlier, Deja had to move and her neighbors were completely unsettled and freaked out by Jackson's behavior, and his actions were making them feel unsafe in their homes too. I'm sure the calls to the police added to that uneasiness. Deja ended up relocating, and Jackson's behavior resulted in her need to become hypervigilant. She called herself paranoid, but I would say it was hypervigilance.

When she chose a new apartment to move into, she didn't choose it based on aesthetics. It wasn't the color of the appliances or the view or the location. She chose it purely based on the layout from a safety perspective. How much protection could this new apartment provide? So her new apartment had the door on the ground floor that opened to a staircase that led up to the main living area. And Deja has said that she made that choice to give herself the most time to react if Jackson were to break into her new place. So she would lock that door of her apartment and then immediately wedge a chair under the doorknob to give herself

even more time if she ever needed it. And working became a challenge as well. She wasn't sleeping at night, so getting up and getting to work became literally impossible. And she shared that she once lost a job after she fell asleep on her feet during a shift. She was at this time also carrying her gun with her using her concealed carry weapon license. And she had at least one employer tell her, hey, you can't carry a gun here while you're at work. And she was like, well, I guess I can't work here anymore then. So all this led to her becoming incredibly isolated. During the later parts of her stalking experience, she really hit

the depression phase of the grief process, and the isolation this was causing didn't help. Any social media accounts she was using to connect with people, Instagram, Facebook, what have you, she ended up having to delete those because every time she blocked Jackson, he would just make another account or 10 to continue to pop up and harass her and threaten her again. And like many other survivors of domestic violence and stalking, she experienced trauma that led to her having phobias and triggers, such as the sound of a doorbell, as a result of Jackson ringing her doorbell over and over again for 15 minutes straight. She would also be affected by even hearing his name. Encountering people with the same name as him caused her to experience acute anxiety, crying, and shaking.

Jackson's behavior resulted in Deja being slower to trust people and being unable to be spontaneous. She has stated that she became a perfectionist and an extremely detailed planner to try to feel like she had some control. and we will actually share the post in the show notes and noting that both the post and her user ID, much like her other accounts, have been deleted so you can't just go out and find it on Reddit today. But we'll post that in the show notes so you can read it. She was looking for help because she had been granted a temporary protective order, TPO, against Jackson finally, but of course she didn't have an address for him

so he couldn't be served. As before, some of the replies were helpful, but some of them were very cavalier about what she might have to do to protect herself. Yes, one of the most profound changes to Deja as a result of Jackson's stalking was her decision to obtain her concealed carry permit and become a gun owner, as you mentioned. Deja's parents actually survived a shooting when Deja was very young, but her father was paralyzed as a result of the shooting. Deja has a fear and a healthy level of respect for guns, but since the police didn't seem to be willing or able to help her, or both, Deja reached the point where she believed she needed

to be ready for the possibility that Jackson would carry out his threats against her. Deja took shooting classes. She carried her pistol with her everywhere, and she practiced with it at a firing range often. And you can tell from the tone and the content of her Reddit posts that she really didn't want it to come to that. What I think she was asking was for the system to work for better protection for victims experiencing what she was experiencing. On September 26, 2014, around 1 a.m., just three days after her temporary order of protection had finally been approved, Deja was up watching TV because she couldn't sleep. Insomnia was pretty common for her because of this whole ordeal, so she was already up.

When she heard Jackson kick in her apartment door, she realized he'd broken in and was trying to get the chair out from under the door handle. It's a good thing the chair was there because it gave her time to run upstairs and get her gun. She went back to the top of the stairs and she could see Jackson forcing his way into the apartment. His head and his shoulder were already inside. From the top of the stairway, she fired two shots at Jackson, hitting him in the chest. He screamed, oh fuck Deja, you shot me. And then he ran away. Deja got her phone and called 911 immediately and told the police she had shot the man who had been stalking her. Deja has explained by this time

after 10 police reports, the police were very well aware of who she was and what had been going on. Deja waited in her house for the police to arrive. When they got to her place, they couldn't find Jackson. Deja had no idea if he was alive or dead or where he was. The police used canines to track him and he was found hiding in

some bushes nearby. He had been hit once in the chest. Deja, of course, was afraid that she might not be believed by the police again or that she might end up getting arrested. One of the things Deja has shared is that earlier in the day, she had gone to the firing range. So she checked her gun quickly before she ran to the top of the stairs and a bullet was already chambered. Luckily for Jackson, the bullet was ammunition that Deja only used at the firing range. So these were smooth bullets that she used for target practice. Normally, her gun would have been loaded with home defense ammunition that would have broken up upon impact and undoubtedly caused Jackson to suffer even greater injuries and possibly

may have even killed him. And as it was, Jackson spent several months in the hospital recovering from his injury. And Deja was never arrested or charged with any crime. Thankfully. Yes. Jackson was arrested and charged with aggravated stalking and home invasion, which are both felonies. And Jackson agreed to plead guilty to the aggravated stalking charge.

You won't be surprised to learn that according to Deja and the City of Las Vegas court records, Jackson was a very difficult defendant. There are notes and requests for continuances that state that Jackson is to be transported to the court by any means, and notes that the defendant refused to be transported to court. Deja has said that he refused to eat while in custody, resulting in him becoming too sick to appear in court. By December 15, 2014, Jackson had accepted his plea deal on the aggravated stalking charge, but the sentencing didn't happen until July of 2015. Jackson asked for repeated continuances in the case and switched attorneys several times. At one point before sentencing, he tried to withdraw his guilty plea, and the judge just wasn't having it. I'm not sure if the

judge just lost patience with him, with all of his excuses and refusals, and his new attorneys, but the record states that the judge said he had had ample time to withdraw his guilty plea prior, and he was not allowing him to withdraw it now. In the end, he was sentenced to 48 months minimum and 120 months maximum, and he had credit for a whopping 300 days of time served because he was able to drag this out for so long. Deja has shared that she felt pressured to go along with this plea agreement, that the district attorneys made her feel that it was in her best interest for there not to be a trial because at a trial, she would be under scrutiny. They'd be asking questions like, did Deja lead Jackson on?

Did she send him mixed signals? It was important to her that Jackson not appear to be a victim of Deja, which was her fear and what the attorneys told her was going to happen if this went to trial. When Jackson got out in September of 2019, after serving around four years, he immediately reached out to Deja on Reddit. Of course he did, right? Of course he did. Deja contacted his parole officer and was told there was nothing they can do because he has repaid his debt to society. I'm surprised they didn't tell her again that they have to be able to show a pattern in order to do anything. Or that he's a really nice guy. He's a really nice guy.

It turns out that Deja was Jackson's second stalking victim, but not his last. Only one month after this man was paroled, he began stalking another woman in northern Nevada. He made threats against her, her family, and her dog. He was arrested again in September 2019 for aggravated stalking, and he pled guilty to this charge in July of 2020 for the second time. In September of 2020, he was sentenced to a minimum of six years and a maximum of 15 years. He is currently serving this new sentence in Clark County at a minimum security facility, and he will be eligible for parole in early 2026, at which time I'm sure his first stop will be Reddit to reach out to Deja and this new woman from Washoe County. Deja, of course, is so much more than what happened to her. She is an engaging content

creator. I find her content to be calming and inspiring and full of so much joy, self-love and honesty. I know if you find her on Instagram, you will feel a sense of serenity. And I think her determination in life is contagious. She teaches an adult roller skating course. So please go check out her store and her YouTube and sign up for that if you want to learn how to roller skate. She has shared that she was very scared to talk about what had happened to her with Jackson for a long time. But she says anyone who has experienced stalking needs to know that it isn't your fault. She has said, you're not breaking the law because you said no.

She's also said this about victim blaming, specifically when people say things like, why don't you just move? Deja has said, most people can't even stay off social media to work, so it's unreasonable to ask someone to uproot their whole life. And I think that is just an excellent way to put that. There are a lot of people who talk about what they would have done differently than Deja or other victims of or survivors of violence. And as I've said before, a lot of victim blaming comes from deep internal fears and us believing that if we make different choices, we will get different outcomes and stay safer. And imagining all of your problems will go away if you move to a new house and delete Facebook seems really far-fetched. And thinking it would be easy to do that when you can't wait at a red

light without looking at your phone is pretty ridiculous. And another thing about language we use around stalking, we shouldn't ever use phrases like her stalker or his stalker, or if it's happening to you, you shouldn't say my stalker. I agree with Deja that that's a weird thing that we say, like the same way you would say my husband or her brother. As Deja has said, you didn't choose this person. So moving forward, we are going to say the person who stalked him or her or me. And I think my favorite quote from Deja that I've heard so far is this one, don't waste your life owning shit that isn't yours to own. Those are true words to live by. She's so freaking cool. You have to go look at her social media immediately because you are struck immediately by how cool and self-aware she is. So we also want to remind

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