Sins & Survivors: A Las Vegas True Crime Podcast - Off The Cuff - Vegas News and Case Updates

Episode Date: November 25, 2025

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Welcome to another episode of Off the Cuff, conversations with Sean and John about Vegas news, strange headlines, case updates, and whatever else we feel like talking about. I'm your host, Sean. And I'm your co-host, John. John, happy Pizza Fest Day. Oh my gosh, we didn't even talk about the fact that we were going to talk about that. Tell the people what Pizza Fest is and... It is the greatest day that we celebrate together in Las Vegas.

It's the single most important holiday we have. Yes, this is true. Every November for the past five years, a group puts together pizza fest. It is exactly what it sounds like. A ton of local pizzerias come out and they give out free samples of special pizzas that they made just for the event. So you pay one price and you eat as much pizza as you want. Yeah, it's basically, yeah, exactly as advertised.

Really fun. It's held at the industrial on industrial, which is right near the, the, is it the it escape room? The saw escape room. I think the it escape, isn't the it escape room there? I think it's close. Oh, the meat packing place. Oh, it is the saw escape room, you're right.

Yeah. All right. But where's the it escape room then? I'm not sure. I'd have to look that up. Anyway, well, I guess that's what we do. We off the cuff it. Yes.

But I just wanted to say, you know, it's probably one of our favorite events that happens in Las Vegas and we really look forward to it and we take home leftovers and we just enjoy ourselves because we love Vegas doesn't have a reputation. I don't think people know it as like this great pizza town and definitely when I first moved here, it was not a great pizza town. And over time, we've gotten more and more really talented pizza chefs and we just love it. Yeah. We have, there's a really, a few really great pizza places now. Yeah. Yeah. And you can get New York pizza. You can get Detroit pizza. You can get Chicago. Chicago pizza.

if that's your jam, you get anything you want. And it's really quite good here. And then folks for the event get really creative. And there was a couple of people offering like a fall pizza with like butternut squash on it. So it's everything from like your classic Neapolitan to, you know, vodka sauce pizza and pizza. We had one with apples on it this time. Yeah, it was really good. So Las Vegas Pizza Fest.

If you're ever in town in November or if you live here in town, check it out. It's definitely worth it. Yeah. So to start us off this week, just like we've been doing this entire season, we want to highlight a person that is reported missing from the Las Vegas area. This week, I want to talk about Patricia Lorraine Hassig. She was last seen when she was 57 years old. And the last contact her family had with her was a text message. She sent them on October 31st, 2021, while she was here in Las Vegas.

So she'd be 61 years old now. She's just, she's a white woman. She's described as being 5 foot 6, weighing 200 pounds. And in the one photo we have of her, her hair is blonde. But unfortunately, in the photo, she's wearing dark sunglasses, which makes it kind of hard, even if maybe you did see her to know you've seen her. She has a name as profile and a Charlie project listing. but this is all the information we have about her.

I don't know where she was from. It seems like she might have just been visiting Las Vegas four years ago on Halloween. And I really do appreciate that Metro finally did put together this cold case database. But with such little information, it's really hard for it to feel helpful. Those are really frustrating when we don't know much about the, much about the people involved. And I'm not even sure her family. If she was here visiting, I don't know who she was visiting with or vacationing with. And they might not have even known where she was staying or where she was supposed to be or what she was up to.

But you can see the listing we have for her at sinspod.com slash Patricia. And you'll be able to see her name as profile. If you go to that URL, just a short link, sinspod.co slash Patricia. and then you can see the whole Metro cold case database of missing persons at Sinspod.com slash Metro missing. And if you have any information, you can reach out to Metro at 702-828-2-2907. The next thing we are going to cover is an update to a case we covered, I don't know, a while ago in probably April or so, because that's when it happened. and it's the case of the death of a police dog named Marley, a canine, Marley. So we covered this before, as I said, and the officer assigned to Marley is named James Harris.

And what happened was he was assigned to Foothill High School. He is actually a CCSD police officer, not a Metro Police officer. And he was assigned to Foothill High School all day. And he left Marley in the car for six hours. It was only about 65 degrees in the shade that day, but of course it can get much hotter than that, and you should never leave a dog in a car unattended, even on a day that you don't think is warm. But he told investigators that he disconnected the heat sensor that automatically rolls down windows and turns on a fan and sets off an alarm if the temperature gets too warm inside for the dog.

No indication why he did that. And over those six hours that the school was in session, he did not give her food, water, or bathroom brakes. And when he finally came out to the car, he moved the car into the shade before he called it in. And originally he pled not guilty to negligence. And he is facing only a misdemeanor charge. But recently, just this month,

he changed his plea to no contest to that misdemeanor. So we haven't seen a sentence yet. We don't know what the sentence is going to be. And if you're wondering about if Riba's law applies, another thing that we covered in an earlier episode, it probably will not apply because this particular crime happened before that law was passed. So it really wouldn't apply here, unfortunately. And just as a reminder, Riba's law was passed in response to a horrific case here in Las Vegas last year of a dog being taped inside a plastic tub and then left out behind an auto zone. to die in a hundred degree heat. And that, unfortunately, you know, obviously that Riba, that dog passed away. But the result of that was that they passed Rivas law, which introduces much harsher penalties for animal abuse here in Clark County.

So that's something. So when we learn more about what the actual sentence is for Officer James Harris, the master canine handler who let his dog and partner and police officer dog die, we will let you know and we don't really anticipate there's going to be a very stiff penalty at all for this because it's only, unfortunately, a misdemeanor. Are there any, did you read any stated mandatory minimums or minimums or a range or anything? Nope. So it could be probation.

It could be probation. Okay. Well, hopefully we learn soon what penalty. there will be in, I mean, I can hope internally the officers are reminded that they're supposed to not do that. And also, hopefully he will not be put in charge of another canine officer. Yes. Or allowed to own a pet, but of course that won't happen.

Yeah. We actually have some news that happened just yesterday. We're recording this on November 15th. And just yesterday, Friday, November 14th, there, was a road rage murder that occurred just about a mile away from where we live. We don't have a lot of details just yet because, you know, it just happened, but I already know it's making national news right now in Henderson and everywhere in Las Vegas. There's a lot of road construction happening. It seems that there's always construction here. There's kind of

like that running joke, that the traffic cone is the state flower of Nevada is the traffic cone. So yesterday morning, two men were driving in their cars and there's a part where the road is under construction at like 215 in Gibson. And I guess neither was letting the other one merge. There was some kind of jockeying for position. That's what the police called it where they were trying to pass each other and then one tried to pass in the shoulder. And, and, it turned into this altercation and the men rolled down their windows and they started yelling at each other. And the man in the sedan pulled out a gun and shot at the SUV. And it turned out that there was 11 year old boy in the backseat that was being driven to school by his stepdad.

And the boy was shot in the backseat. And then the stepdad in the SUV then rammed the sedan. Both cars stopped in the middle of the freeway. They both got out of their cars. and they were getting into this heated exchange and like a metro officer happened to pass them and then stopped and they were able to break up the exchange and the boy was taken to the hospital but he died of his injuries. They took the suspect into custody. His name that's been released is Tyler Matthew Johns. Currently he's being held without bail on an open murder charge and we'll just have more

updates as we can. The boy has yet to be identified. We just know that he's 11 and he was on his way to school yesterday morning. So sad. Yeah, it's a really hard one. And we've talked so many times on the podcast about the pedestrian deaths on the roads, e-scooters, motorcycles, and then the road rage is out of control. We've had multiple road rage shootings in the city this year. And the police were just saying like hey stop it basically that's what the officer had to say like it's it's tough

we're all in a hurry we can all get where we need to be we know it sucks that that merge is terrible that the roads are congested because of construction but we just kind of need to have tolerance for each other and like get through it together because this escalation is

ugly and terrifying so um and there's no place you need to be that is more important than someone's life. Yes. That's very true. And just because someone doesn't let you into merge, it's not a personal attack. And that happens all the time. And you really do have to let it go. You just have to let it go. You can. You'll, it'll eat you alive. Absolutely. And it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a very scary and sad story. I don't know if there were other kids in the car. I don't know if the other driver had anybody in his car. That's all, all we know right now. And I'm

sure we'll learn more. And like I said, it was already on CBS evening news. It was in People Magazine. Um, so yeah, we'll, we'll update you when we know more. All right. Thank you. Uh, we also have an update on the, um, real life Beavis and Butthead, Wyatt Fain and Peyden Cosper. So as a reminder, these two, and I call them Beavis and Budhead because that's what the judge called them. Oh my God. Yeah. He said that their antics were like a Beavis and Butthead episode, which is absolutely true. So in April of 2024, these two, who are cousins, were caught on video pushing large boulders off a cliff in the Redstone Dunes Trail area inside of where else Lake Mead National Recreation Area. And one of them, Fain,

Wyatt Fane, had his underage daughter with him as well. So they were quickly brought up on federal charges for defacing this national park and it was really quite big news here. People were calling for their heads for, you know, destroying, you know, this national park and they were basically pushing boulders off a cliff. Yeah. It was really crazy. In the red rock area, right? So it's like a protected.

Yeah. And recently on November 14th, they were finally sentenced. Back in April, they were found guilty by a federal court. It was a federal crime. Yeah. And they were facing up to 10 years in jail for this, which even at the time I said that I thought was a little bit egregious. Yeah.

But the judge agreed and they were sentenced on November 14th and they were sentenced to probation. The interesting thing is that one of them was already on probation and now I guess he's on double probation. Oh, double secret. Double secret probation. So they're both on probation now. and they have to perform community service

at national areas areas like Lake Mead, Red Rock Canyon, Spring Mountain and the judge said that he hopes that would help the men learn proper respect for public lands. Who knows if that will happen? But the judge did say that the crime caused

a huge public outcry, but it did not involve a human victim, a weapon, or any injury. And I think that makes sense. I, and what he said was. Right. That's what you said when it happened. You were like, it shouldn't have happened, but like a human or an animal wasn't hurt by what they did. Thank goodness. It could have been, but. Yeah. This is something that can be a teachable moment. Yeah. You know, hopefully. For everyone. And it seems like from what these two were quoted is saying, and they both had public defenders. They don't have any money. Right. That it seemed like it was a wake up call for them. And hopefully they will, you know, stay out of trouble. I feel like they said that right after it happened, right? but they didn't know it was against the rules to push the rocks off the cliff. I'm, and I kind of get it

because I mean, there are so many places where you go like the beach or a lake and people want to skip rocks or people want to build. What do they call those? The towers of rocks, like for marking trails and stuff. People touch and stuff all the time. And yeah, like Beavis and Butthead, they were just like, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha,

we push the rock off the cliff, ha, ha, ha. Just silly, destructive, non-productive behavior just ridiculousness yeah um so yeah and they were also fined a nine hundred and seventy three dollars and um yeah so they are now on probation so that's the uh the update on that so that the saga of the desecration of uh public lands here in nevada is uh has has uh this long state nightmare has ended yes which is really just another thing to keep in mind wherever whenever whenever you're

visiting a national park like It's for everyone. What do they say? Leave no trace, right? Yeah. Yeah. Please leave. Please don't even put down cairns.

Those are not good. We don't want to put those. We will kick them over if we see them. Yeah. So the thing they were, the thing they were found guilty of, the crime they were found guilty of, was depredation of U.S. property. Wow. Okay. I guess it was U.S. property.

Yeah. I mean, it's federal land. Yeah. So. So those rocks belong to Uncle Sam. Yep. Wild. All right.

Next up, we have a couple of tech items, a couple of. of tech these aren't really specifically crime related but just a couple of things that I wanted to mention things that have come up over the past few months that kind of you know stuck out to me the first is that there are a few companies now that are selling air tag shoes and they are marketed as shoes for your kids like they're just kids sneakers yeah and they have a little place in the in the soul where you can pull the soul out and put in an air tag and presumably not have your kid know it's there and that they're being tracked. So this is, you know, for parents who, I mean, I don't think it's unreasonable to put an air tag in your kid's bag or something.

I mean, I find that pretty normal. If they don't have a phone, maybe, you can locate them. Yeah, if they're small and they're not, they can't yet say what their name or phone number is or who their mom is. Like if somebody were to, if your kid were to get lost. Right. Especially if your kid's like neurodivergent. or has a communication issue or something I could see

that you'd want to make sure you could find them if they're not where they're supposed to be. But it's weird though that you would be secretly monitoring them. It would be for like the kid that you want to know where they are and they refuse to carry a phone

or so you stick this thing in their shoe secretly. That's the part that really kind of bothers me because I as a device I've said before I like the air. tag. I think it's great and useful. And I just don't see any problem with talking to your kid if they're old enough or can understand that you want them to be safe. And the other thing is, if they have a phone and they have an air tag, the shoes don't change the way air tags work. Right. So if the air tag is traveling around with them all day and it's not their air tag, they're going to start getting notifications

on their phone that there's an air tag following them. Right. And anyone's going to notice that. And if they're like out with friends like if they go out to dinner with like a friend and his family all of them are going to start getting notifications that there's an air tag following them too whoever or like the bus driver who drives your kid on the bus every day probably yeah that's true i wonder if they get a ton of notifications of kids with air tags in the bag they might they probably do um so what i thought i thought a better thing was just to talk about it with your kid and then share the device with your kids so they're not getting the notifications all the time that's just my opinion but i just found that to be a really weird thing.

To be like, your kids will never know. I think that's what you said to me. You said something like, I just heard a commercial about it. And it was like, do you wonder where your kids are? Do you want to secretly monitor them? The one reason I would say it would be a good idea to do something like this is the case where, well, even this really, if your kid were to get kidnapped and like they lose their backpack or the air tag is really obvious in the backpack and the whatever.

Or like their phone is dumped. Yeah. Yeah, sure. Worst case scenario type stuff. You could potentially track them that way. But I feel like that's really kind of an edge case. The thing is, if the people who grab your kid have an iPhone, they're going to know there's an air tag following them around.

Yeah. That's how they work. So anyway, I don't think it's a great product. I don't think it's going to serve the purpose the way you think it is. Yeah, I guess because air tags are like the size of quarters almost, like they could be swallowed. So that's why I was only thinking, like, for little kids. Like, if you have a concern about a small change. child who isn't trusted with a phone yet and, you know, could leave a backpack.

That's true. Yeah, that's valid, I guess. Yeah, like, and that way they can't get it, mess with it, lose it. Like, it's always with them. Eat it. Yeah, choke on it. So, I guess. But we first heard about a parent putting a air tag in a kid's shoe.

That was like one of our first tech corner episode where I think it was a mom wanted to monitor what was going on when the kid was with the ex. So she hid the air tag in the shoe so she could keep tabs on her kid. And I'm not saying that there's not parents out there that have valid concerns when their kid goes with the other parent because most of the time when kids are kidnapped, it's by their, by a non-custodial parent. Right. But it just, it, we were just, we've just been talking about that the whole time we've been doing the podcast. Like, these monitoring devices, they have good uses and they can

be weaponized and somebody could, you know, track you that way. We're going to talk about another product that could be weaponized in just a little bit. Oh, it's funny. A little teaser. Yeah. Are we going to talk about that in the overtime or in the swing shift? Are we going to talk? Oh, we're going to talk about it in this episode.

We're talking about it in this episode. But that's a good reminder that we do have this week. We have three other topics that we save and hold for the bonus episode. Oh, gosh, what are they? No, we won't even, should we not tell them? We could tell them. Okay, we'll tell you what the topics are. But if you want to hear them, you have to subscribe and go to the...

These are special just for our subscribers. That's right. Adva Levy, she, what is wanted by the LAPD for using data apps to dating apps to rob older men. Illinois governor J.B. Pritzker won some money here in Las Vegas. And we're going to talk about the Kristen Bell and Dax Shepard. anniversary post that caused a lot of controversy online. So those are our three. Say that again?

Not the yoga incident. Oh, not the yoga incident, which was different. We might talk about that too, though. All right. So stay tuned for that. So then the second thing I wanted to talk about was this just happened like Friday, yesterday, November 14th. So iPhone, Apple introduced a new feature to iOS for your iPhone,

latest version of iPhone with newer versions of the, of the hardware, of the iPhone itself, where you can add your driver's license and your passport to your wallet. And they are piloting the ability to use basically ID inside of your wallet, like a virtual ID at 250 airports in the U.S. You can't use them for international travel yet. But basically, if there's a point where you have to present your passport or you want to present your ID, and you don't maybe have a real ID license yet, you can present it electronically on your iPhone now, and it will be valid at U.S. or at least 250 U.S. airports, and they're expanding that number, just like they did with Apple Pay, like it'll start in a smaller set of airports,

and then it'll expand. So it's just kind of convenient, just a way to scan your passport. It's really, really easy to set up. I did mine tonight. You just take a picture of the photo page of your passport, scan the chip inside your passport, take a few selfies, and then it takes a couple days for them to validate that it's really you. And then you can present your passport electronically. So the feds are cool with this? They think this is. Yeah, it's, yeah. Apple's working with the federal government and TSA. Oh, neat. Yeah, so it's official. Is there any word of like local DMVs or states also using that? Oh, you can also put in your driver's license for 13 states.

It was like, Hawaii, Arizona, Nebraska, I don't know what they are, but like 13 states, you can also put in your driver's license. So any place you can present your driver's license. They're going to accept it. Right. That's really cool. And I've definitely been in place. We went to the pizza vest today.

And not that I really wanted to drink, but I couldn't because I left my, my driver's license in the car. Right. But assuming this is recognized by, you know, Pizza Fest. I could just show them my driver's license right inside my wallet. And I assume that within the next year, that will be the same thing as showing your physical license. Yeah, I'm thinking that too. And they're kind of counting on the Apple technology to verify it, to make sure it's really you. Yes. I think that's interesting. It's just the same way you don't have to carry your credit card

anymore. Yeah. You just, yeah. Like, there's no question about that. Um, I mean, for now, I will probably, like, if I travel, I'm definitely going to have my license and my, my, you know, or if we were going internationally, you have to carry your passport anyway, but I would probably carry my license and or passport anyway, just in case. But you pointed out that most times when you go to the airport now,

they don't even ask for your license anymore. Yeah, I swear the last time I did, they didn't. They just wanted me to step and have my picture taken with the camera. And then that was it. I think that was it, yeah. And yeah, scan my boarding pass maybe and then look at my face.

Yeah, so. But I mean, I have, what do they call that? I have a not clear. Pre-check. I have pre-check. So I think I'm just like in the system. You might be. Oh, yeah. That might be because you're doing pre-check. That's true. Cool. And the last one I had was just kind of a local thing that Henderson Police introduced just a couple weeks ago. And they introduced these things called Internet Purchase Safety Zones. So at two locations of police locations, police stations, police stations here in Henderson on Green Valley Parkway and on sunset, you can go there between eight and four and perform your internet purchase exchanges at a place that is supervised

and a safe place to exchange goods and money, whatever. Like, I've sold things on Facebook marketplace, bought things on Facebook marketplace, and I usually just meet at the gym down the street. But this is a better option. Yeah. Go to the police station, sit under the... It's open 24 hours? It's open 8 to 4.

Oh. Oh, well, the plea. Yeah, okay. Yeah, I got you. They're monitored from 8 to 4. Oh, okay. So it's not, okay. It's like a labeled parking lot space that says this is the.

Oh, I got you. And they're monitored by cameras, kind of like the fusion camera system. And, yeah, just a safe place to, you know, sell your old. Yeah. So because you're probably going to give your friend, your buyer or your seller cash. So you're going to have cash on you. You don't want to get jumped, mugged, ripped off. Yep.

You don't want to have your stuff stolen. And that's a really common thing to be concerned about. I mean, you don't want people coming to your house. Right. You don't want to go to somebody's house. Yeah. I've seen movies. I don't know.

I'm not doing that. And like, this is important, especially with the holidays, I think, because that's probably when, you know, people are doing the most shopping, probably over the next two months, give or take. Yep. So if you're here in town, you could do that between 8 and 4 at the North Police Station on sunset. and the West Police Station on Green Valley Parkway.

Awesome. That's really good. That's really interesting that they did that, but I think it's really smart. Thank you. All right. The last thing we have to talk about today, you mentioned this to me,

and then I was like, I don't really know enough about this technology to talk about it. So let me look it up. So this next and last story we have today, also has to do with technology. It has to do with the meta glasses, the ones that are look like Raybans or are Raybans, I should say. And I've seen ads for them all over. A-listers are doing ads for these Rayban meta-glasses. I hate calling it meta, but the company behind Facebook, they developed these AI glasses. They look just like regular glasses. They have transition lenses in them

so they can be like sunglasses or they look clear like regular glasses. But, But with them, it's like a screen on your eyeball. You can read your text. You can talk to Siri with them. And they come with what they call a neuroband. It looks like a watch band that you wear on your wrist. And I guess I would compare it to like a mouse. So you don't have to say commands out loud necessarily to the glasses to make them work,

to make them send a text message or make a FaceTime call. You can just move your hand and use your. and use gestures to scroll or click in the glasses display. Obviously, I've never tried them. They look kind of fun, something interesting and different, but also something you'd really need to get used to. I don't know how you see that on your eye. I don't know how they work for people who wear glasses all the time like me.

You can get them with a prescription. Oh, wow. I didn't realize that. Yeah. Though it's probably really expensive because they start at $7.99 to begin with anyway. $799 American dollars. And honestly, as a technology, it seems pretty cool to me. Yeah, it has like a built-in camera.

So you can, the example I saw online is like, you look at something and you can ask Siri, like, what is this? And she'll be like, those are tomatoes. And then she can be like, you can use them in a recipe and like give you the recipe for, you know, the salsa that you can make with these tomatoes. And then they also take pictures and they also film. So there's a camera built into the frame of the glasses. And similar like to your, to your eye.

phone. I'm not as familiar with Android. When your camera is on, there's like a light indicator, at least on mine. What do I have a 15? iPhone 15? There's a light so you know your cameras on or your microphones on the lights on. So the camera frames also have a light so you know you're being filmed or the light is the light is on, almost like a flash. I think you were compared it to a flash. But then if I don't want to give away the story, do you want to say the reason why you told me about these glasses. Well, the reason it came up is because anything that can be weaponized

will be weaponized immediately. So, to me, the fact that it can take pictures is not really the most interesting thing. You can take pictures. You can take video. I guess, like, on the website, they have a picture of like a guy cycling. Taking a video while you cycling. Yeah, like, exactly.

Like a GoPro, you're skiing. You can take a video like that. Super cool. Yeah, it is neat. They have a little heads-up display so you can see You know, you can make video calls in there. You can see, like, a little screen. It's really kind of cool. And I imagine this is probably where the, you know, head-worn computing will be going eventually.

But the problem is that people are using them in not so great ways, like to surreptitiously record people. So they have that light. They have, like, the flash, right? So what people are doing is looking for ways to circumvent the flash turning on so that they can, like, take pictures of people, like, I don't know, on the subway or, you know, whatever it is. And even worse, there have been instances of people going in for massages and requesting, like, sex acts and recording the reaction. I think both allegedly recording actual sex acts and also recording people, like, quoting prices and things like that. Oh. So you compared it to like spy technology, like something James Bond would own. Like you go into the museum and you can like look around and see where all the security cameras are or whatever. Where, you know, without. If James Bond were a creeper, then yes.

Yeah. So so people are wearing these and going into, um, seemingly consensual spaces with other people, but these people don't know they're being filmed. Right. So. And the other thing is, so people, so people. will say like, oh, the lights on and that means you're being filmed. Well, I mean, not everybody knows what these things are. Right. You didn't know what they were. I really, I don't know that I would notice if somebody was wearing them. And we found a great article talking about the fact that, you know, meta's take on this was basically people are responsible for following the law and whether or not they're wearing Rayban metas. Like, okay. Right. I guess. But, you know, I have seen it pointed out that if you have a device that is capable of doing a specific thing, like a thing that looks

like another thing. If you have a nanny camera built inside of a teddy bear, you know what, like we all know what that's for, even if on the website it says, not for surreptitiously recording people. And so I use the example of

a, like a novelty tie that has a hidden bladder that holds liquids. So clearly, what are you going to do? You're going to put alcohol in there to smuggle it in some place you're not supposed to have it. But it doesn't really matter if the manufacturer says you shouldn't put alcohol in here. Everybody knows what it's for. Yeah.

So it's a big problem. And I don't know how they're going to, I think meta is doing an okay job. Like if the light is covered or the light is deactivated, then the camera stops working. I think that's a recent enhancement. So that's good. But, I mean, it's like an arms race with these things. Yeah. You said that right now you can buy a mod for the glasses.

Yeah. So the light doesn't turn on. but it's only $60. Yeah. So just be aware, I guess. Almost like everything we share. It's just, it's more for your own information.

I wish we had a better solution, but. And definitely there have been stories about, like, people going into gyms and then, like, being asked to leave. They're like, either take the glasses off or leave. Yeah. I don't have a problem with that. I just don't think it's the right thing for public spaces personally. Yeah, yeah.

And my concern about it is, like, it's pretty obvious when someone's not paying attention. if their phone is out and in their face. But I was like calling out people who will probably, I don't know, be wearing them in meetings and actually like scrolling Instagram instead of paying attention or going, you know, like going to someplace you think is boring. Like I don't know, a lecture or church or your kids recital. And instead of paying attention, you're watching that.

I think it's like it's obvious when someone's not paying attention and they're using their phone. But this is like- The only valid use for these things. There's a whole, like you said, like what else are they designed to do? do what else is the purpose of it. Because you, like, I don't, what else would it be? And that makes me nervous for people driving.

That makes me nervous for people biking, skiing, all that stuff. Like, that's true. If you're scrolling your feed while you're biking, that's probably not a great thing. We just keep thinking, we just keep inventing more and more ways to distract ourselves. Yeah. Like, we, it's, it's bizarre. It is. So those are the items we had for you today.

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