Sins & Survivors: A Las Vegas True Crime Podcast - Season 3 Retrospective

Episode Date: August 25, 2026

Well, here it is, the end of season 3. In this episode, we're talking about all the cases we covered this year, and we want to give a loving shout-out to all our listeners and thank you for your support. We're being interviewed on Lake Mead this week so if we can share that episode we certainly will. Stay tuned! We're excited to bring you Season 4 in October!https://sinspod.co/140Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/sins-survivors-a-las-vegas-true-crime-podcast--6173686/support.Domestic Violence Resourceshttp://sinspod.co/resourcesClick here to become a member of our Patreon!https://sinspod.co/patreonVisit and join our Patreon now and access our ad-free episodes and exclusive bonus content & schwag! Get ad-free access for only $1 a month or ad-free and bonus episodes for $3 a monthApple Podcast Subscriptionshttps://sinspod.co/appleWe're now offering premium membership benefits on Apple Podcast Subscriptions! On your mobile deviceLet us know what you think about the episodehttps://www.buzzsprout.com/twilio/text_messages/2248640/open_sms

To listen ad-free, visit sinspod.co slash subscribe. Starting at $2.99 a month, you'll also get access to our exclusive bonus content episodes when you join through Patreon or Apple subscriptions. Thanks for supporting the show. Hi, and welcome to Sins and Survivors, a Las Vegas true crime podcast, where we focus on cases that deal with domestic violence, as well as missing persons and unsolved cases. I'm your host, Sean. And I'm your co-host, John. This week, we're wrapping up our third season of the podcast. We branched out a lot this year.

We produced nearly 50 episodes. And this is the season where we let ourselves explore a bit. Yeah, it was crazy. 50 episodes? I believe that's what you said. Oh, that's right. I said 47. 47.

That's amazing. Yeah. Although not all of them were new. We did some flashbacks, which I think is great because there were changes to the, you know, there were things happened in those episodes. We did our off-the-cuff episodes, kind of like we're doing this one, where we just have a list of things we want to talk about

and we talk about it. Yeah, and that allowed us to cover things slightly outside of true crime. Like Burning Man was one of the big stories that we cover. Burning Man is true crime. It is truly a crime. But we did the Daniel Mendoza, that incredibly long multi-part episode 8,

episodes, which you should definitely go listen to if you haven't. I think it starts with Sinspod.com slash 129. And yeah, that was one that you really did on your own. Yeah. I basically went on vacation for eight weeks and let you work on that yourself. And I actually maxed out our subscription level for going through the- At newspapers.com. It wasn't newspapers.com. Oh, it was the RJ. The RJ's archives and the Las Vegas Sun, they only allow you to download or, um, Yeah, clip a certain number of articles in a month based on our subscription level. And yeah, I max that out and had to wait a month before I could do more. Wow. But I think our listeners know I find that story so interesting and so relevant even today, 30 years later. Yeah. And I did look

it up and Ron Mortensen's hearing actually is going today, today is we're recording this. It's August 25th, 2026. And his hearing was scheduled for this morning about whether or not they're going to let him... True will see it on the news tonight. His plea. I can look up and see if it was, if it actually happened today. And to be clear, he's free now. He is not in jail.

He's a free man, but he is trying to get his guilty plea overturned. Mm-hmm. Even though he pleaded guilty to second-degree murder. And I think that's because he wants to then be able to go after the state for wrongful prosecution and get his payday. I think you might be right. But I don't know. I haven't spoken about it.

I did. I mean, I did want to go down to the court and see if maybe I could be there for the hearing, but had something else to take care of this morning. And even though it said 9.30, sometimes you go to the court and it's not always prompt. So I felt like it was risky. Would they have let you in for that?

I honestly don't know. I don't think it was closed. Huh. I don't. I honestly don't. no, no. And if the, if the judge had asked me, I would have, I would have just told her honestly why I was there and let Ron go listen to our episodes, which I'm surprised if he hasn't found them. Ron, if you're listening. Yeah, we want to know what happened. We want to know what happened. But we covered a lot of missing people. Yeah, that was a huge goal because the, the, the Metro put out that cold case missing. No, there's too many to do it. But we, and those were hard because sometimes we complain, we complain about this all the time,

among so many things I complain about, that there's not much information. Like, it's just like a white 24-year-old disappeared on this date. There's no, like there's no photo. Some of them, yeah. And like sometimes there's very little in the way of description, which only shocks me. Yeah, no exact address of where they were last seen. or where they might have been going. No details.

And some of these were like 1972. Yeah. Like this white person was seen driving a car in 1972. Mm-hmm. If you have any information. Yeah. You can stay anonymous, call crime stoppers, kind of stories. Like, yeah.

But we tried to bring attention. And that website exists. And you could always go and look and see that how many cold case missing there are here in Las Vegas. We did find quite a few that, had stories and actually we talked to one of the mothers. We did. Rocco's mother and we talked to her for like an hour and a half about her son and her experience with him being missing and like his life and everything, which was a wild experience.

Yeah, but we always say this too, but we're here for the families. So we want to cover the stories. It was nice to feel like we, it seemed to me like she wanted to feel her. and has someone, you know, get the story out about her son. I think we did that, which I think was really cool. Definitely. And then, of course, my highlight episodes were covering the scammer, Idris Kiaba, who, that episode still, I think is so crazy,

this person who would, you know, steal people's social media presences and then sell them back, blackmail them. Yeah. That dude was a crazy criminal. Happy to see he went to jail. Definitely if you haven't listened to it, go check it out. I'm not sure which episode it is, but it's got to be in the very beginning. John will look it up while I'm talking here.

And then my, I think my biggest highlight of one that I worked on this year. That was episode 98. 98. And this is 140, so it was a while ago. Yeah. It was toward the beginning. I think... My biggest highlight was doing the research for Sunny Liston.

Yeah. I found that super fascinating. And we got some really good feedback on that episode. And I'm glad. So I'm glad we covered that one. Yeah. People who aren't really into true crime at all either, just like people we've met here and there said they really like that episode. So that was cool.

And I think it was good for us to cover some stories that weren't murders per se and that were not domestic. domestic violence related, but just interesting stories where there's still people still seeking answers. Yeah. It's possible that Kiaba has some other victims out there too. Yeah. Yeah, that one wasn't domestic violence. So we did, we really did branch out this year and go into other types of crimes. Mm-hmm. To keep it fresh. And of course, Sunny Liston didn't really, like, there was no. The only domestic violence there was that. his sonny liston's father yes was a known domestic abuser in you know like the 1920s and 30s but that's you know that's a tenuous yeah i mean if you're looking for yeah but i might classify

that one as one of a sort of unsolved i think so too it's it's one that'll never be solved there's so many different people who are still alive who are completely completely sure what happened and none of them agree. Yeah. So, yeah, that one is, that one, like, still eats at me. We also did interviews, which we're, interesting fact, we are doing an interview tomorrow. Oh, yes. Yes.

We are being interviewed. We are being interviewed. Do you want to tell the people about that? Tell the people about that. A reporter from the newspaper out of Arizona, the Arizona Republic, reached out to us to talk about Lake Mead. I guess we are kind of seen as the podcast experts on Lake on Lake Mead. So, yeah, that's happening tomorrow.

And obviously, if we have the opportunity to share that in some way, we will be sharing it. So that's happening tomorrow morning. Tomorrow morning, yeah. And we also interviewed the advocacy con people just last week. We put that out. Whitney and Eric. going to be there in a couple weeks. Yeah, we'll be there in a couple weeks.

So if you're going, we'll see you there. Yep. And then, of course, we interviewed Liz Ordenberger from Safe Nest. Right. Two-part episode about the state of domestic violence in Las Vegas and around the country and what we can, what changes we can make to policy to improve it. She's so smart. I know.

She's always great to talk to. She really knows this stuff so well. And she's so good at talking about it. Yeah. I mean, I guess she's the CEO of Safe Nest. You know, that's. You would expect that. Local expert, yeah.

Yeah, she's definitely a local expert. We also had, we also, I kind of want to call it fun. I think it was fun. We did some collaborating with other podcasts. We did that several times this past season. Oh, those were fun. We did the holiday collaborations. Yeah.

So you had the episode with Nina instead and Robin Warner from, the trail went cold. The trail went cold and Nina from. already gone. Who is no longer doing already gone? I know already gone has ended. Nina's doing much more on the ground advocacy work is what I understand with missing in Michigan.

That seems to be the way these things go. Yes. We have some thoughts on that as to why that is. Yes. And then I got to do collaboration with Kristen Sevy and Javier Leva. Kristen from Murder, she told, and Javier from Pretend. and we actually enjoyed working together so much that we did that second collab that was specifically like Christmas crimes, which was really fun to do. You had a lot of fun doing that.

I really did. They're both so great to talk to and work with. I feel like you did that as a part of the program where we, you know, collabed or whatever. And then you were like, oh, let's do this again. So then you did the Grinchy Crimes episode right around Christmas. Yep. That was really fun. And of course we did our missing at the holidays.

Yes, as always. As we have been doing. And we got to work with Jamie Beebe and Jake at Strictly Stocking, which we've done before. We're still rolling along. Yeah, yeah. They've been doing their podcast for 65 years. Really? Wow.

Yeah. Wow. A really long time. Wow. Yeah. It used to be like you'd get like a letter in the mail from them and then. Yes. Like a pony express.

Right before they were born. on the frontier, you could get the... You could get the strictly stalking podcast delivered. No one knew what stalking was back then. Yeah, that's true. They were the first. And then, of course, you went to your advocacy training recently. Well, I guess, I mean, we did do CrimeCon as well.

Yes, yeah. We had a surprise visit at CrimeCon. They invited us at, like, the last possible moment. Yes. Which was cool. It was a good experience. We appreciate that. We mentioned this before.

CrimeCon has been doing a lot of work to try and make it a place because families go there seeking answers, looking to connect with content creators. I mean, if your loved one is missing, I mean, what could be better than getting Nancy Grace to talk about them or have it covered on Dateline, just in hopes that or that it reaches more people, right? You can eventually get answers. And I think CrimeCon recognized that in the past few years and has tried to make it a space that

involves advocacy so families can feel supported and not constantly triggered and re-traumatized by CrimeCon. And if you're the family of someone who is missing or murdered, you don't,

I mean, trying to put myself in that position, which is obviously super difficult, you don't, like, I wouldn't care what, like, if it was Dateline, if it was Nancy

Grace, I would not care as long as the story was getting out there. If you were missing, I would not care where the story, I would want the story on everyone's TV at all times. Yep. So, you know. What else can you do? Good for them for taking advantage of, you know, that. Yeah.

And that opportunity. There are some people that we work closely with who continue to press, press crime con to be more respectful to families and have a. be more of that kind of environment. And we put pressure on within the podcast community, I think. We put pressure on each other to elevate to be careful what your podcast artwork looks like, what you name your episodes, what images you use and share because there are real people behind these stories and they deserve that respect and they need to be seen as people with,

with feelings and not just content. And I like the idea of what Eric said that he, wants his advocacy con to be a conference, not a convention. Yes. Like it's not a Star Trek convention where we all cosplay and wear offensive t-shirts. Yep. But it would be nice if CrimeCon also got there. Yeah.

Yeah. Because they are huge. They are. It's hard though, man. Like there's so many corporate interests at play there, which is one of our complaints. And which is also part of the problem, right? Yeah. because when you treat somebody as a dollar sign,

you exploit them, exploit their pain. But it's like I was saying earlier, like now podcasting has been seen by the corporate eyeball and they realize that there are a ton of ad dollars to be made and there's people to exploit and, you know, it makes it hard. Absolutely. But also you attended your advocacy training. Yeah, the listeners, I believe, might remember,

remember this, that just last year I became officially became a credentialed victim advocate. Nice. Which I think just gives, just makes it kind of official, like kind of gives me some level of credibility, kind of, yeah, just makes it, yeah, I guess that's the best way to put it, the official. I'm not just calling myself a victim advocate. I've actually gone through training and have to undergo continuous training and to keep my credential. And that was the, the training was actually the big conference, the national organization for victim advocacy. They had it here in Las Vegas this year, just last month in July. And it was like three days or

four days. And I got to go to so many sessions. And one of them that I really wanted to share with our audience has to do with the idea of suspicious deaths. And I think if our listeners would probably recognize that, I don't know that we've ever specifically covered something like this on the podcast, I'd have to think, I mean, we've done over 170 episodes. I don't, I don't know off the top of my head. But suspicious deaths where the person's death has been ruled a suicide or possibly like an accident or an overdose, but it's actually a homicide. And Advocates, sorry, excuse me, Alliance for Hope

calls it a hidden homicide. And just, well, in 2024, California was the first state that enacted a law to address this issue. And it's called Joanna's law. So the law requires police officers in certain cases to interview family members before determining the manner and cause of death. And then it gives the family's the right to request a complete autopsy when they're specific indicators. So someone dies and they have a documented history of domestic violence. And if there are three or more of these red flag factors, then the investigators, they have to do, they have to interview the family members and close friends to find out the information about the domestic violence history before they determine the manner and cause of death. So they, they have to interview the family members and

So their red flag factors are such as the victim prematurely or unexpectedly dies. The scene appears to be an accident or suicide. One partner recently wanted to end the relationship. There's a documented history of domestic violence or course of control. The victim is found dead in their own home. They are discovered by their current or former partner. There's a known history of strangulation or suffocation. the partner was the last person to see the victim alive,

the partner had control of the crime scene before the police got there, and the crime scene appears to be altered or staged. So you only need three of those things, and then law enforcement is compelled not to just declare it a suicide or an overdose and say that's the end of it. And it really gives the family's access to ask questions and have more of an investigation done before the case is closed. because I think we know that there are situations where once the police rule it one way,

they haven't collected the proper evidence, and then once it's lost, it's just lost. And there's no way to recreate that. I feel like it's very easy to get three of those. I think so. I mean, if the people, I mean, assuming the victim was not elderly or sick, and that would be the majority of people, it's going to be, that they died prematurely or unexpectedly. The scene appears to be an accident or suicide.

Yes. How else do people die? Yeah, how else could a young person? Yeah. The victim is found dead in their own home. Well, I mean, that's what we're talking about. So that's three right there. Right.

The body is found by a former or current partner. Well, who else is going to find them? Yeah. I mean, you know. It makes total sense. but there are two cases that I'll talk about because actually one of the family members spoke at the training and shared her daughter's story and I think this will just kind of bring it all together for the listeners so we all know what kind of cases we're talking about so the law

in California was named Joanna's law and it was named after Joanna Hunter. So Joanna was 36 when she was found hanging in her bedroom closet in her California home. this was on October 6, 2011. Her husband, Mark, said he found her there. The investigators treated the death as a suicide. No homicide investigators were called to the scene. Bedroom was in process as a crime scene. Phones, fingerprints, DNA evidence. None of that was collected. And the autopsy, the next day, found the ligature marks were consistent with suicide, and her death remains officially classified that way. But Joanna had a long documented history of domestic violence. She obtained restraining orders, had previously reported her husband for strangling her, grabbing her

by the neck, and he had a prior DV conviction. And her family also said that Joanna repeatedly tried to leave their relationship. Her mother, Patricia, and her younger brother, Joe Hunter, which many people may recognize that name because he was a survivor contestant, the TV show Survivor. And he, the two of them, Joe and Patricia, have spent years arguing that the facts about Joanna's relationship should have caused investigators to treat her death as suspicious from the beginning. And when Joe went on Survivor, it was actually in part to honor Joanna. He was a finalist in season 48, and his emotional tribute to her became a major moment on the show, and he later just returned for Survivor 50. Outside of the show, he and his family helped advocate for the law that became

Joanna's law. At our training, we heard directly from Kelly Harris, whose daughter, Kelsey Harris died in Oregon in 2021. Kelsey was 31 years old. She was a high school counselor, teacher, a coach, and she was working towards her second master's degree. On March 20th, 2021, she reported that her boyfriend had violently strangled her. She told law enforcement she thought she was going to die, and he was arrested and charged. Eight days later, Kelsey was found dead from a gunshot wound to the head. Her mother had talked to her on the phone, and she said, said that she was leaving. She was getting ready to leave. Her death was ruled a suicide after the death investigator reportedly spent 14 minutes at the scene. There was no autopsy, no toxicology,

and according to her mother, no meaningful investigation of whether the strangulation eight days earlier might have been connected to her death. Her family later brought in independent forensic experts who raised serious questions about the physical evidence and whether the scene could have been staged. Her death is officially classified as a suicide. No one has been charged with killing her, but her case has been reopened for review. So whatever happened to Joanna or Kelsey, as I was saying before, you can't go back years later and recreate evidence once it's lost. So the safest approach is just to thoroughly investigate it at the beginning rather than decide it's a suicide within a couple of minutes and discovered years later that,

there were questions that nobody thought to ask at the time. And so Joanna's law, it's only law in California, but there are several other states where they're trying to pass at Oregon being one. So tell me more of, sorry, tell me more about Joanna's law. That's the law that says that if the, if these factors, three of the factors are present, then the family has, then the police have to do more effectively. It's interesting. Well, what I mean really is, is there.

Are there specifics around what they have to do? They have to interview families and they can't just rule it a suicide or like preserve evidence. Yes. Okay. Yeah, I was curious what they what they had to do. Exactly. They have to. That's great.

Yeah. It at least, I mean, at the very least, I think it's there for families. So they can, there's a, there's a, one of the things that was talked about during the session is that, you know, know, if someone is experiencing domestic violence, it's likely that their mental health is being affected by that, right? So maybe they are experiencing depression. Maybe that does make it more likely that they would be using substances to cope and could potentially have an overdose. Or same thing, they could think of suicide as an option and they could choose that option. So it's kind of like sometimes it seems that the police officers kind of accept that as being like a thing that could actually happen.

It's not impossible that something like that could happen. But there have been stories where like these two families, the woman is found dead. And it's the boyfriend or the husband or the ex partner who finds her and says, hey, I came home from work and I found her. like this. And you're kind of taking the word of someone who may potentially be an abuser may have strangled that person in the past. And we know that raises fatality. So it's just kind of like, hey, it may appear to be a suicide, but it also could be staged. So think about that, gather all the information you can. These are the things you should be looking for. These are the red flags that should make you ask more questions. And do that. Do that.

work so the family feels like that work was done. It's crazy to me that that is not the law everywhere. I know. It is interesting to me that we need a law that kind of pushes the police do their job. Yeah. And it's definitely concerning. But a lot of times people say it has to do with training and the training that the police receive a lot of times they don't get all that information.

about like what constitutes domestic violence or what the warning signs might be. It's just not part of it. Which also is crazy. I know. Considering, as we always say, it's like the number one cause of murder, you have to understand it. Yeah. If you're going to do your job.

So we are switching gears. Yeah, we're going to switch gears. But just to wrap that up, I'll say that one of the people I spoke to at the session from Alliance for Hope had he shared with me that he had the night before attended an event that Liz Ordenberger at Safeness had put together and that similarly as I understand it there's going to be a push to get this similar law passed in Nevada as well oh yay that's great well hopefully it will get signed

yeah I mean I guess say what you will about Joe Lombardo I'm not a fan but he'll probably sign this yeah he's very much anti-domestic violence, I guess. Yes, the bar is low there, but that's great. Yeah. I'm going to say, we're going to pause here for a quick break before we come back and switch gears. All right. So we said earlier that we are apparently the Lake Mead podcast.

Maybe we switch gears and just make this the Lake Mead podcast. We could talk about boating. Mm-hmm. Outdoor recreation. What else? Tubing. people do jet skis. Right. You get on inflatable things and get dragged behind a boat. Uh-huh.

But yeah, we're going to be interviewed on this topic tomorrow because recently it's been, it's got to be national news. It's got to be. Because Lake Mead and the Colorado River supply drinking water for like six states. And Hoover Dam is responsible for a lot of the power, not a lot, but, a portion of the power generation in the Las Vegas Valley. And right now, its depth is currently at 1,039 feet, and it will stop producing power somewhere in the 1,000-foot range, although we can still get drinking water out of it

all the way down to something like 980 feet because they put in another very deep water intake to keep providing water. That's obviously the more important thing. Power is important, but drinking water is more important. I'm not sure what percentage of our drinking water comes from Lake Mead. I'm not sure either. But this has happened before. It has dipped quite low before, but this is the lowest it's ever been. So hopefully it will bounce back. It did bounce back. It was really low in like 2020, bounced back a little bit by like 2023 and now it's low again. So, you know, hopefully that will happen. But we'll talk about that. If we can get the,

interview with our friend from the Arizona Republic, we will post it. We will do a surprise post on that and share that. I'm not sure if we're going to be able to because it's, you know, Arizona Republic's content or whatever. Maybe if we agree to do it like two weeks later. Yeah, maybe something like that. And if we like plug their podcast, maybe they'll let us do it. But if, but our listeners will remember that when the lake dipped to that previous low, all the stuff that, was found once the water level dropped. It continues to be found. They just found another body this, like 10 days ago.

Jawbone and teeth. They don't think that there's any indication of criminal activity and they're still identifying. This would be another one for the Justice League. Yeah, the biggest Justice League to figure out. Yep. And, but, yeah, it continues to be one of the most dangerous. National Parks. Yep.

Average of 10 people dying in the park every year. I thought it was 20. Is that what I said? Oh, sorry. Average of 20 people dying the park every year between 2007 and 2025. Yeah. Now, we say dying in the park. This is not murders.

Yeah. There's not a Sasquatch out there taking people. No. I mean, there might be, but that's not where all of the deaths are coming from. We don't know that. But it's mostly drownings, as you would. It's mostly drownings. And then as a.

we examined, and one of our prior episodes is too, like death, motor vehicle accidents including motorcycle, motorcycle accident deaths. That's so weird. I know, but because the road runs, I guess, into the park technically. Oh, right. Yeah, it's a very windy road. Suffer an accident and pass away on one side of that line that you die in the national park.

Yeah. But yeah, it continues to be one of the most dangerous parks. And we just want to remind everyone, like you said, it's mostly drowning. There were the four sets of remains that were discovered in 2022. Three of them, they were identified. And two had been people who had drowned. It was they, there were people who witnessed them going under the water. And unfortunately, they did not survive.

But recovery was difficult. And it was only once the water level fell that they were able to be recovered. But that was also the year of the man in the bear. that was definitely a homicide. And we just really want everyone to remember that we always say that people think of the mob and all of that, especially when it comes to Lake Mead. But most of the time, these are just real people, missing people that just befell some level of tragic accident. It's not a homicide. Although we do think Barrel guy was the mob.

Maybe the mom, but definitely it was a homicide. Yeah. So, yeah. Especially given the era, they think it was the 70s. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Based on the clothes he was wearing that were like purchased from Kmart or something. Yeah.

But I just wanted to kind of remind everyone, I mean, it's the summer's coming to an end, but Labor Day weekend's still there. I mean, you have to wear your life jacket if you're tubing or you're on a jet. ski, don't drink in boat, all of that kind of stuff. There are too many stories about people who jumped in to save a swimmer in trouble and ended up drowning themselves. We don't hear about any more of those. Or the one person who jumped in because his hat flew off.

And he wasn't able to. And he drowned. It's just where your life jacket. Stay safe out there. Yeah. And if you're going to drink while you're on a boat, that's fine. Don't drive the boat. and put on your life jacket.

But that brings us really to the end of season three, and we are still thinking about what season four will be. So stay tuned on social media for upcoming announcements. We'll definitely be doing some similar things, probably, and we will let you know. And if you have ideas about what cases you want us to cover, please let us know. We're always happy to hear from the listeners.

we appreciate you guys very much and we appreciate you being listeners and subscribers and yeah thank you for that yeah absolutely and we will be off for the month of September because that's the time when we take our we may do some flashbacks or something yeah yeah and some surprises but um that you know we're not we're not ending the show or anything if you take we're just taking our break before we come back. We traditionally have come back in October because that is Domestic Violence Awareness Month and that remains one of our key missions of the podcast because it continues to be the number one cause of homicide in Las Vegas. So we'll leave it there and we'll say remember until next time what happens here happens everywhere.

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