Sins & Survivors: A Las Vegas True Crime Podcast - The Real Life Grinch - A True Crime Collab

Episode Date: December 23, 2025

'Tis the season for true crime chaos! Hosts Kristen Seavey from Murder, She Told, Javier Leiva from PRETEND, and Shaun from Sins & Survivors join forces to explore Christmas crimes gone horribly wrong.From a bath salts-fueled home decorator in suburban Ohio to a serial burglar stealing Robert De Niro's wrapped presents right from under his tree, these real-life Grinches prove that the holidays bring out the worst in some people. The hosts also dive into the disturbing case of postal workers who intercepted letters to Santa meant for underprivileged children...stealing laptops, iPads, and gift cards intended for kids in need.But the main event is a fresh-off-the-press case from Bangor, Maine. When a couple woke up to find a stranger sleeping on their couch, surrounded by their unwrapped Christmas presents. Police body cam footage reveals just how terrifying this "funny" story really was. Want to see the footage? Murder, She Told: https://sinspod.co/murdershetoldPRETEND: https://sinspod.co/pretendhttps:/sinspod.co/105https://sinspod.co/105transcripthttps://sinspod.co/105subBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/sins-survivors-a-las-vegas-true-crime-podcast--6173686/support.Domestic Violence Resourceshttp://sinspod.co/resourcesClick here to become a member of our Patreon!https://sinspod.co/patreonVisit and join our Patreon now and access our ad-free episodes and exclusive bonus content & schwag! Get ad-free access for only $1 a month or ad-free and bonus episodes for $3 a monthApple Podcast Subscriptionshttps://sinspod.co/appleWe're now offering premium membership benefits on Apple Podcast Subscriptions! On your mobile deviceLet us know what you think about the episodehttps://www.buzzsprout.com/twilio/text_messages/2248640/open_sms

To listen ad-free, visit sinspod.co slash subscribe. Starting at $2.99 a month, you'll also get access to our exclusive bonus content episodes when you join through Patreon or Apple subscriptions. Thanks for supporting the show. Hey, everyone, happy Festivus, happy Christmas Eve Eve, and welcome to Sinsen Survivors. I'm your host, Sean, and today we have another very special holiday treat for you all. Last week, when I collaborated with Kristen of Murder, She Told, and Javier from Pretend for our True Crime Conversations episode, we had so much fun working together, and that collab was such a hit that we decided to do it again, and this time with a festive twist. We're trading stories about what happens when holiday cheer goes criminally wrong. These are real cases with real people impacted,

but they're also strange, absurd, and very much rooted in the chaos that seems to show up this time of year. And for those of you wondering, where's John? Stay tuned tomorrow when we have yet another surprise for everyone that you won't want to miss. So settle in. Pour yourself your favorite beverage and join us for The Real Life Grinch, a holiday crossover episode with sins and survivors, murder she told, and pretend. Hey, everyone. It's me. Javier, Lava, with the pretend podcast. And I'm joined today by Kristen with the Murder She Told podcast and Sean with the Sins and Survivors podcast. What? Are we doing this again?

We are doing this again. We got such great feedback from our last episode that we figured, hey, why not? Let's do this again. right? But this time it's Christmas and we should do a Christmas episode, right? Yes. Agreed. Yeah. So today we are going to talk about real life Grinchers. Okay. These are stories of Christmas gone wrong. And boy, do we have a doozy? Kristen, kind of give us a preview of the main story that we're going to talk about, which is just wild. So this actually happened in Bangor, Maine, which is very, very close to me, and it's a recent.

It was over Thanksgiving, and I have not heard about this before you brought it to me. By the way, I'm sick. This is not what I normally sound like. So thank you for bearing with me. But, I mean, both of my stories are kind of home invasion stories with a grinch twist. And I just think it's fascinating and a little bit terrifying. Let me add a little bit to your tease, because after we did. found this story, and like you said, it just happened.

Like, just, just happened. And I quickly whipped up an email to the Bangor Police Department asking for a records request, not knowing what I was going to get. I was just like, hey, here's a suspect, here's the case file. Like, give me whatever you got. And, like, Christmas morning, I got the files, and it is crazy. You guys haven't seen it. No.

No. some things love me in here. Oh, my God. I got body cam footage of the incident. Oh, my God. And so we'll talk about this. We're going to save this story for last because it is a bangor of a story. Oh, my God.

But I love, though, that this is so on brand for you. Like, I didn't even think to do that. And the fact that you were like, I'm going to go get that body cam footage. Like, I'm so excited. Was there a dog dressed as a reindeer in it, in any of the footage? No, but there is a pet involved. There is a pet involved. And we're going to get to that.

It's such a crazy story. I can't wait. So why don't we just jump in there, Kristen? Why don't you tell us about the first story that we're going to talk about today? All right. So the first one that I have for you is it's in a suburb of Dayton, Ohio. It's, please, I might be butcher. this, but Van Dahlia,

Vandalia, Ohio. Sounds good to me. I usually look up the names, and I'm very meticulous about it. I'm going to say that I did not do that. But Vandalia, Ohio, it's a suburb of Dayton, and this is in 2011. And there was a resident who discovered somebody putting up Christmas decorations that broke into their home. So police said that the man was allegedly a high on bath salts, and he entered this home

and began hanging Christmas decor. which I kind of love him for that. Like, I mean, if you're going to break into a house on bath salts, like the best thing that you could do is just like, I'm going to go decorate for Christmas. I don't, can I be honest with you guys? I don't even know what bath salts are. It just sounds like something you get a bed bath in beyond or something.

But then the first time I ever heard about bath salts was that guy in Miami that ate the guy's face under the bridge, remember? Yes, yeah. And then I was like, oh, bath salts, they're a lot more menacing than I realized. It's also kind of like a little time capsule because this case happens in 2011, but I feel like back in 2010, 2011, 2012, bath salts were like the high, the go-to high, and it was like a huge news thing where people were talking about bath salts and it's a cheap way

to get high and I don't know. It was a trend for 2011. It made him be like, like an interior decorator. Apparently. It's like a little Christmas elf. I mean, like, I feel like with bath salts, you never know what you're going to get. Like, you might eat someone's face off like a zombie or you might get into the Christmas spirit. Either way, great HDTV concept, right? Right?

Yeah, true. Decorating with bath salts, you know? So Terry Trent, he's 44 and he was arrested on a burglary charge. and there was an 11-year-old boy who found Trent sitting on the couch after he had decorated parts of the house. And police said that Trent entered through a back door and just made himself comfortable in the house. He lit candles on the coffee table, on the kitchen table, he turned on the TV. I really want to know what he was watching. I'm like, are we...

This is a real story? This is a real story. I'm like, were we watching Elf? Were we watching It's a Wonderful Life? Are we crying at the end of Home Alone, too, when he gives her the ornament? Like, what are, where are we? He also hung up a Christmas wreath on the back garage door. So he's going all out.

Like, he's full on baths all interior decorating. We're all envisioning welfare, right? Like, yeah, yeah, like in the, in the department store, yeah. Hey, guys, have you seen the place? That's pretty good. It's a little too good. Corporate must have sent in a professional. So then when the boy came in, he said,

saw him watching TV and playing with his toys, and then he called his mom, who was next door at the neighbor's house. And the boy's mother told the police that he tried to apologize and he was polite and he was sorry that he scared the kid. And he was arrested without incident, even though police did find that he was carrying a pocket knife. Oh, wow. But that's, you know, to decorate with, right? Yeah. And no explanation. Like, it wasn't like he was like, oh, I thought this was my brother's house or any anything like that it was just totally totally random not that i'm aware of swept up and just possessed by the christmas spirit through these baths he did he did um a co-worker did describe him as normally a very caring person he's involved with boy scouts he's involved with a

local church program and it just seems like he had um an off day or like a really on day yeah i mean i love I love Christmas decorating, so... Yeah, yeah. So he was like, here we go. Let's just make it happen for this family. I want to know if it looked good. Like, that's my question. So we should probably file a FOIA for the footage for that.

Yeah, for some pictures of the crime scene. I might actually do this. You should. It's going to be like 2011, like digital camera photos probably and not like body cam footage. So, Sean, what do you got? You have a story for us? I do. I actually, I just came back from New York yesterday morning. So I actually have a New York City story for everyone. Yeah, it was a really great trip. I mean, New York is just so much hustle and bustle at the holidays, people just running around, the lights, the tree, all the shopping. The story I have is actually from a part of town that I didn't get a chance to visit, which is the upper east side of Manhattan. So this happened in December. December of 2022, the NYPD had already been tracking Shanisa Velas, a woman that they knew was a serial burglar. So they saw her and she was going through the neighborhood and I guess trying doors and she

found one that was unlocked. So they kind of, you know, followed her to see what townhouse she was going in. And this was completely coincidental. This was totally random. But it was Robert De Niro's townhouse. So according the police, she just walked in. The door wasn't locked. No alarm. There's no security. And then she just began taking the wrapped Christmas presents from underneath his tree and I guess playing with his iPad. Meanwhile, Robert De Niro is upstairs in the house asleep and his daughter was at the house as well. And I just think to me that is the most bizarre part the story, I guess because he's such a famous A-lister that he was just in New York City with his door unlocked. I mean, it's not unsafe, but it's definitely not one of those, you know,

communities where people say we just leave our doors unlocked because it's so safe. So it's just that he was home and the tree is lit and she just walks in and starts taking his gifts, but the police were like basically right behind her. thankfully because the cops were there the story ends peacefully i don't know how it could have gone if he had come downstairs or heard something i mean i think we're all lucky although um maybe she just would have been shocked and ran away or it would have turned into some silly christmas movie caper but yeah it just ends peacefully i don't know how they managed to sleep through everything that happened but she was arrested without incident no one was hurt and

Christmas continued on as planned. And I just was thinking, I don't know who the person was who left his door unlocked, but I am glad it wasn't me because I wouldn't have wanted to be yelled at by Robert De Niro. Well, you know, I could imagine if Robert De Niro would have been there, he would have been like, You're talking to me? Yeah, right. Talking to me? I will say that the Upper East Side is a fairly safe neighborhood.

I lived in New York City for a really long time. And it's obviously a very wealthy zip code. It's interesting, like, who you might stumble on if you just, like, randomly pick a house because it's all rich people, like, somebody is somebody. But it's funny that it's Robert De Niro just because he's so well-known as opposed to, like, some, you know, hedge fund guy who you don't know. Yeah. And I wonder if she ever brags about that.

You know, people love to tell their, like, celebrity sighting stories. Like, I wonder if she's ever like, hey, guess what I did one time? I mean, I would. Yeah, right. I would brag about that. Yeah. So it's, like, again, like, I can't, I can't believe the guts of some people at the holidays. They really are like grinches and they're just collecting people's Christmas gifts right

from under their tree. But thankfully, like I said, it is, I guess, technically a home invasion, but, you know, one where no one was hurt, thank goodness. But apparently this is not her first time doing this, right? Like you said, she is a serial burglar. And this was just another gig for her, I'm sure. And it's interesting that they were already tracking her. I think that probably prevented it from being something way more dramatic that they were right there.

Oh, who knows? Who has popped out? Who knows? I kind of want to know what was on his iPad. Yeah, I know. Yeah. What was she doing playing Candy Crush or who knows? All right. So my story is next. And this is about three postal workers that really are just like the scum of the earth of what they're saying about these people of what their alleged crimes are true. I mean, they're just. sick. They are stealing from underprivileged kids during Christmas. So I'll tell you how this

worked. So you got three postal workers who are real grinchers, right? They were working in cahoots, I guess, making multiple copies of fake letters to Santa so they could get picked up by Secret Santa in Operation Santa program. Do you guys know about the Operation Santa program by the U.S. Postal Service? I don't know. I feel like I've heard of it, but I I don't actually know. So Operation Santa is basically a program by the U.S. Postal Service where they match up individuals, businesses, charities, with children in need who write letters to Santa. And the whole idea is that, you know, these kids can get gifts, right, during the holidays.

But instead, you have these three postal workers who are basically intercepting these letters. They're either writing the letters themselves or they're. They are actually printing out new labels with their address so that they could receive the gifts. So all of this happened during the 2013 holiday season. One of the postal workers who was involved in this scheme received a printer, two laptop, computers, two tablets, clothing, betting, gift cards, and other items. And one other guy got an iPad, laptop, headphones, boots. all of this is documented in court docs, by the way.

And it is just crazy to believe that during this time period, when there's kids who really need gifts, that there are some people in the post office thinking, hey, I know how to intercept this. I can make a couple bucks or get a bunch of free stuff if I could just steal gifts from underprivileged kids. I mean, it was just so gross. And those are real high-ticket, high-priced items. We're not talking like Barbies and like Lego sets. We're like laptop computers. Yeah. Wow.

It's really sad. I mean, that's like the lowest of the low. Yeah. It's horrible, but I'm so glad that a program like this does exist, right? Yeah. And there's way more, it helps way more people than, you know, than the fraud that are. Right. Yeah.

Well, hopefully the post office caught on to this scheme and is keeping a closer eye on this. But I say bahumbug to these guys. Seriously. Well, I kind of want to inject a story here that was not in our little prep dock, but this just happened too just a couple weeks ago, really, but it's about these prisoners. Now, the Grinch in this scenario is the actual prison, because some of these inmates have gotten pretty clever,

And they used, in South Carolina, they used drones to deliver crab legs, steaks to the prison. Oh, and weed. Oh, I'm used to see. What was it? Weed. Yeah. I think it was, because, you know, it goes really well with crab legs. Old bay seasonings.

Oh, so they were ready. And cartons of cigarettes because, you know, after a big meal like that. So, yeah, I just thought it was so close. Because you hear about, you know, we live in this day and age of drones now. And everyone knows that people in jail have contraband cell phones and stuff like that. So they're communicating with the outside. So they're just getting their buddies to drop weapons into the prison or like contraband and all this stuff. But like these guys, at least they were just trying to have like a little Christmas dinner.

And, you know, the prison just came in and swept it away. and it's going to be a bad, bad Christmas for those South Carolina prisoners. So who ordered it? I'm not sure. Like how did this, how did this get started? Well, this happens apparently a lot, like the whole drone contraband thing. And what I found interesting is that the prisons, even if they see the drone coming, they can't shoot it down. Apparently that is like some gray area, some gray legal area for the prison.

And it's becoming like a real big problem, drones and prisons. But this article that I read, and I haven't done too much research on it, didn't say who the inmates were who ordered this. But I would have to buy, but I'm looking at a picture right now. You want to see? You want to see a picture of the goods? Yeah, let me show you a picture of the goods because this is pretty awesome. They even vacuum sealed some of it, so, you know, to keep it fresh.

I love that there was Old Bay with it. Yeah, of course, a bottle of Old Bay, a carton of marl, a big, big-ass bag of weed. Oh, is that weed? I thought that was a steak. Oh, my gosh, that is a big bag of weed. Wow. The bag of weed, just to give the listeners an idea, is bigger than the steak, okay? Yeah.

And the crab legs combined. Yes. I thought that was steak, too. It's almost as long as that carton of cigarettes. Yes. The biggest thing in the picture is the weed, I guess. Wow. That is so funny.

Who ate it? I'm guessing that probably the cops ate it or the prison guards. That's diabolical. That's wrong. I wonder if they, you know, if they put any, like, you know, dry ice with it or, you know, how did they have to travel? Yeah. Probably not very far. But, you know, in my area, there used to be like drones that would deliver ice cream.

Do you guys have that where you live? No. No, I don't think so. Yeah. Yeah, drones, you know, they're getting better and better. It delivers ice cream? Like, you can order ice cream and a drone will just deliver it to you? Yeah, it just delivers it drops it right in front of your door.

That's an important service that we all need. Exactly. Because you just never know when you're going to need a pint of ice cream. screaming. Yeah, you don't. It's an emergency. I love how it was the South Carolina Department of Corrections that put that out in the world. I love that. They loved it. They loved it. Come on. This is cool. All right. So when we come back, we are going to talk about this case that Kristen is going to talk about from Bangor, Maine, where she's from. And, well, you're not from Bangor, Maine, but you're close enough. Close enough, right? And it is a doozy.

I can't wait to talk about it. So we're going to get into it after the break. All right. So this case actually happened a couple weeks ago. It happened over Thanksgiving. And it's in Bangor, Maine. And there's not a lot of details on it that I could find. But that will change.

We will get to that. So a man in Bangor was accused of breaking into a family's apartment and opening up all of their Christmas presents. which I'm actually impressed that they had all of their Christmas presents ready to go on Sunday, November 25th, this year, 2025, when that happened. So apparently they did. And Jose Harvey, who's 50, broke into their house. And somebody called and reported that someone had broken into their apartment and was sleeping on their couch and refused to leave. But that's all we knew, right?

Like, that was it. Yeah. He made himself cozy. There was no names. No, like other than Jose Harvey, we had not. Harvey's in. Yeah. So the tenant told authorities that they found all of their Christmas presents unwrapped. And then they see this man sleeping on their couch. And he couldn't provide any logical reason why he was in the apartment. And he was charged with aggravated criminal trespassing. And unlike Sean's, you know, bathsaw guy, or who was the bath salt person? Was that you, Kristen? Oh, that was me. Yeah. Oh, yeah. That was the Ohio bath salt incident. Yeah. Unlike your bath salt. guy. He did not decorate the place. He did not. He just took. He did not give. He took. Yeah. Wow. Well, I don't know. This story really piqued my interest. I was just intrigued by the lack of

detail out there. And so it literally, guys, I know that it seems impressive. It took me five minutes to write an email to the Bangor Police Department. And it was a very generic email. Like, I didn't ask for anything specific. But a couple of days later, It didn't even take that long. A couple days later, I get a zip file with like 21 gigs, okay? And I'm thinking, what the hell is in this thing? I mean, that's Christmas, getting a FOIA where you have that many gigs. Yeah, that was like Christmas morning.

And so I want to share with you what I found because you guys have not seen this. I have not. And I love that you did that so much. Yeah. And, you know, this is such a silly, it seems like a silly story, but it's about to not get silly because, you know, on the surface, we hear about these stories and there's no detail and they sound funny and we're doing this whole special on Grinch's Christmas. But this is like a real person that this happened to. And when you watch this footage, you're going to see

how scary it is because the cops showed up right as the perp was still in the apartment. Okay? And so you're like they showed up. Somehow these people the victims kept this guy, Jose Harvey, in their apartment, until the cops came. All right, so let's watch the footage. We start, there's multiple clips, right? And each folder has a different body cam from a different officer who responded,

even like the police dashboard. But this clip they were watching right now is the officer, like, heading to the call. Like, he's returning to the call. Okay, so he's arriving at the scene. And it looks like a townhouse apartment type of situation where there's like one front door. And then when you open up the door, there's multiple different apartments. Hi.

So let me stop right here and just kind of explain to the listeners who can't see this what's happening. So basically, the officer shows up. He meets the woman who lives in the apartment upstairs who made the call. they go upstairs and they walk into the living room and the boyfriend is wearing his underwear. I mean, he's just like, you can tell they just woke up. And this Jose Harvey guy is just standing in their living room. You can see all the Christmas stuff.

Get in here. Some thing is lovely in here. Well, you guys live with anybody or now? No, that's just nice. A thing that I'm in. Beat it. Let's go. And this is what bothers me the most about this.

It's that the cop shows up and he's just like, hey, get out of here, scram. Okay? So now we're watching, we're watching video of them going. The officers following Jose Harvey, you know, the prep right here. He's following him downstairs. But I wanted to stop and kind of get your reactions so far. First of all, I love that Jose is wearing red plaid, like buffalo red plaid because it kind of makes him look like Santa. like a really creepy Santa

and he's also got like something green in his arm like a jacket it's his jacket but he's wearing a hood right like that's what kind of gives him the Santa box that face he has a white beard right yes he does he kind of looks like Santa

I just feel so bad for these people look like he trashed the place yeah like it looks like they have like a nice place you know They had the stockings up and everything. If somebody broke into my house, though, and the police were on their way, I might put pants on. I think so.

Like the fact that this guy is just standing there literally in his underwear. But, I mean, think about it, though. Like, the fact that they were able to keep this guy in their living room, I don't think the boyfriend had time to go get pants. You know what I mean? Like, he can't be like, hey, guy who just broke into our house and opened up all. our Christmas gifts. Can you just stay right here go get dressed, you know?

I mean, he seems kind of cozy. He seems like the Jose guy. He seems kind of cozy. Like, he wouldn't have left if the police weren't like, all right, buddy, scram. And he's very chill. Like this one,

as you're about to see. So, all right, let's play the rest of the video. Hold on. Hold on. Who let you in here? She said, hey. Who? Champagne.

He's saying champagne. So how did you end up in their apartment? I don't know. I used to have the sleep with everybody I get. I didn't. He said, okay. I just got the champagne. I want to open the door.

Okay. Somebody. Let me back up here. Clearly this guy, there's something either. He doesn't speak. very well, or he's maybe on some kind of substance abuse. I don't know. He's not making himself very clear.

He keeps saying champagne. Champagne let him in. The cop doesn't really know. So let's play the rest. I just left for champagne. I went up at the door. Okay. Somebody invited you in here to drink champagne?

No, no, no. His name's champagne. Okay, so he invited you into his apartment and you stumbled into somebody else's apartment. government. Completely unacceptable. And that's the part that just blows my mind. The cop, you know, he's like, why are you here?

Who are you wanting to see? He kept saying champagne, champagne. And then he hands him his ID and then just sends him off. He's like, just don't come back here. Yeah, don't come back here. Like, hello, he was breaking and entering. But I don't know. What are your thoughts so far before we continue?

It's kind of like, like the circumstances are really funny. but then, like you said, when you see it, it's a little bit sobering, like this. Yeah. I mean, I would be fully alarmed if there was, if this man was just in my house. And especially if they woke up in the morning, which it kind of, like, this is, it looks like the timestamp is 8.45 a.m. So, like, he was probably sleeping in the apartment with them sleeping in it. And that's, like, kind of my worst nightmare. Yeah.

Do you get the impression the cops know him? or he has some kind of reputation with them? You know, it almost sounded like that, right? Like, he's like Jose Harvey, almost like he knew who this guy was. Yeah, like he knew who he was. Like, you're on, you're on, you're on, Jose, like, or whatever he said. Here he goes again. Yeah.

I couldn't tell if he was, like, calling in to see what, you know, the station had on him or if it was something like he was familiar. Yeah. I don't know. But there's a lot more. Like, now the officer, you know, The one that responded that we were listening to, he hands over Jose Harvey to a female officer, and Jose Harvey goes out with her, right?

But now he goes back upstairs to check on the victims. So let's play the rest of this. Why you couldn't get him to be worse? What time did you guys go to bed last night? We looked at you guys late. There's a video. I didn't show you the camera. What time does he come in here?

there's no video of him entering but there's a video of him walking around at seven so i don't know how he got in was your door locked her yeah but there's no video of him entering i get notifications on my camera for every movement and there's a video at 1 a.m and then there's where was he when you woke up no it was just laying on the ground it came out to go to the bathroom oh she guys are in there yeah yeah the next thing was at 756 he's just walking around oh my gosh there's a lot going on here like what are you picking up from that last club like i mean they're terrified yeah they really hit them like that that could have been dangerous they feel really violated they have they're so confused too like she keeps saying like i i don't

understand how he got in right right so like it sounds like she has cameras everywhere like she could tell when she went to bed and he wasn't there, so that means he must have come in after they went to bed, but she's not sure how he came in, because there's no footage of him coming in. And at this point, the boyfriend is fully dressed, obviously, because the situation seems to be under control, right? But she is shaken to the core, I mean, and understanding of this. All of these Christmas centers were wrapped now are all open and in use in the bathroom, has been destroyed and he moved things around and put things in storage containers in the bathroom

that were empty. Yeah. So do you think he had any idea you guys were even home? I don't think so. I don't know, because I don't think he got it. Like, he went through everything. So she's just trying to figure this whole thing out. It looks like something's going on in the bathroom, like the cross space door was open,

and one of the cats got out, and this is like just made a really bad situation worse. It's chaos. And so now they're looking for their cat. I mean, I just felt so bad. But, again, there's, like, this mystery of, like, how did this guy get in? Is this going to... Hey, this wasn't open. The window?

So that's open now. So that's open. Is that that the head is why? I think that's why it's not on the camera. And I think that's why the bathroom. It looks broken. I don't know. So that explains how he came in undetected, right?

Like, he just snuck in through the window. So what ended up happening was that Jose Harvey wasn't like he was waiting for them to go to bed. He must have, they must have gotten home late at night. She said around 1 o'clock in the morning. They went to bed. Everything was fine. He wasn't there. And sometime after 1 o'clock in the morning, he snuck in through the window, must have fallen asleep.

and it wasn't until the morning when he started, you know, opening up all the gifts and just messing up their living room. I think that once the cop realized, like, how messed up this was, let me see if I could find this. He realizes, okay, well, we got to take this guy in. But I don't know why he didn't do that to begin with. Yeah, stop and hold him. I think I'm going to take him on burglary.

Yeah, duh. Three, two, to eight to 50. So anyway, in another body camp footage, you get to see where they apprehend him, they take him to the jail, and eventually he was charged. But it's just wild, you know, because at face value, this story just seemed kind of funny, right? Like, now that we get this intimate look into what happened, and not only, like, after it happened, we were watching it happen in real time. It's just, it hits differently, I guess. Yeah, it does. I mean, when you only have so many details, like, it kind of is like a funny story.

Like, someone's in Europe house and opened up your presence and then reorganized your storage stuff in the bathroom. But then you, like, see the people and you see the impact. And it definitely changes it a little bit. Yeah, for sure. And the way the officer sighed when he got in the car. Like, you could tell that even he was like, I can't even. believe this is happening. Like, I think he really felt for them, too, and knew to take it seriously.

So I'm going to read you, you're right. I need to say yes or no after each one, okay? I just love that he's handcuffed and he's standing there with a cigarette hanging out of his mouth, like, answering these questions. Yeah. So that's it, guys. I don't know if this made you less or more in the holiday spirit. I'm not sure. definitely more

yeah thank you so much this was so much fun i'm glad we were able to make this happen yeah me too i look forward to more of this in 26th yeah i have um an episode i'll plug this i have a christmas crime episode that's a two part it came out last year it is um about bertha cody on the murder of rene cody

and it is a true christmas murder if you want something that's a little bit deeper dive and not as a little bit more nefarious than breaking and entering. But it's a very interesting story. It's from the 40s. It's got showgirls. It's got affairs. It's got everything. So go listen to that if you want some more Christmas. That's right. Murder, she told. All right. How about you, Sean? What's going on with you in the rest of the year? What should people look out for? John and I are going to release our annual Missing at the Holidays episode because during the typical time on our podcast, we focus on stories out of Las Vegas, but once a year around the holidays, we share five or six missing person stories from outside of Las Vegas that either some of our friends in the podcasting world have told us about that we want to highlight and continue to keep their names out there in hopes that the families have answers in the new year. So we have, we'll have our annual missing at the holidays episode, I think probably the 30th, December 30th, I think this year.

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