Sixteenth Minute (of Fame) - 2 hawk, 2 furious: the talk tuah era

Episode Date: January 28, 2025

In part two of our deep dive into Haliey Welch, aka Hawk Tuah Girl, Jamie looks at the media blitz Haliey was sent on after her viral moment and securing management. Without the Ellen Industrial Complex to reel her in, we dig into the world of vaguely conservative video podcasts, and how all roads lead to sports gambling scams.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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And keep in mind, the original Hock Toot! was posted. June 11th, and three weeks later, there had already been several rounds of discourse surrounding Haley. It wasn't until she introduced herself to the public that the details of her biography began to lock in place. This is how I've been able to put it together as best I can. Haley Welch was raised by her grandmother, or her granny, in Belfast, Tennessee, population 844, around the time since she was nine months old. Some basic stats about Belfast, Tennessee. It's majority working class and comprised of non-high school grads.

There are two men to every woman. It is overwhelmingly white and has a limited job market. It's also farmland. Most early footage of Haley features animals in the background, and if you can't see them, you can usually hear them. Haley's parents had a limited presence in her life. Her dad, a farmhand, was in the picture. but infrequently.

She says she rarely spent time with him growing up. Her mother was a drug addict from the time Haley was born and has never been in the picture in her life, something that Haley became gradually more open about as her fame continued to grow. And by that, I mean, it is not at all unusual to hear Haley making crack baby jokes at her own expense. Here's an example from Whitney Cummings podcast.

Haley, how old are you? 21. How's your mom? My mama, a crack kid. You don't want her. Is she an actual crack cat? Yeah, I'm a crack baby. Are you?

Yeah! Why think I'm so funny? Haley is a high school graduate with a close-knit group of childhood friends. She was a cheerleader in high school, and at age 21 was working at a spring factory called Tennessee Spring and Metal, as an inspector and shipping manager who often had to wake up at 2.30 in the morning to get to work on time. She has a tattoo saying, still I rise, a quote that references. both a Maya Angelou poem and, according to Haley, a lot of the difficulties she faced growing up and transcending them anyways. The second episode of Talk Tua really emphasizes the rural

normality of her lifestyle, complete with her drinking wine on the porch with her friends. I'm always down for Taco Bell. You want to buy a hot freeze? I've never had one. They're good. We're taking your Baja virginity. And going to Taco Bell habitually, which in my opinion, is always a sign of good character. Another thing that struck me is that Haley seems to have a vested interest in lifting up her friends from Tennessee in the process of going through this chaotic experience, particularly Chelsea Bradford, who appeared in the original Tim and D. TV video with Haley and initially

convinced Haley to do it at all. Chelsea was a friend who would later stand up for her a number of times and would eventually become her talk to a co-host and essentially right-hand woman. And the reason that most people hadn't put any of this together and assigned false narratives to proliferate that was that Haley wasn't even on social media at the time the clip went viral. This is from her first interview on podcast Plan Brie Uncut. Amazing. But did you delete all of your social media? Okay, so I deleted all my social media like six months ago due to like personal reasons. I never really got on it or anything like that. Oh, okay. So it didn't have anything to do with this? Oh, no. I was long gone before that.

Oh, so you were already gone from social media and everyone thought that you deleted your social media because you were like scared of all of this blowing up, but you were gone. I've been gone from it. So are you going to come back? I think we're working on that right now. As she's consistently alluded to, Haley was mortified when the Hawk to a clip went viral and didn't do anything except go to work for the week after she first noticed its virality. She pretty cleanly breaks down the emotions she was navigating at this time during this interview on Plan Brees with Brianna LaPaglia of Barstall Sports. It was massive?

It was massive. Okay, what goes through your head when that happens? I was like, oh, well, this is kind of funny. I was like, it's not going to get any bigger than this. And I go back like an hour later and the views don't went up by like a million. I was like, oh my God, there is no way that just happened. But sure enough if it did. And then it kept going and kept going.

and then there was the search for you. And what, like, what did you want to do when there was a search? Was there a part of you that was like, I don't want to be known as the hook to a girl? Yeah, there was a big part of it. And then they started spilling my name wrong and making, like, accounts of me, which they got pictures off all my friends, like, social medias and stuff like that. And which it's kind of creepy, seeing your face on another account that don't belong to. You're like, yeah, people thought you were in your words Jillian.

I saw a bunch of people were getting, like, recognized as you, but it wasn't you. It was wild. So when they officially found you, were you like, I want to dive into this or I want to take a step back? I was like, oh, shit. I'm not adding these people back. La Paglia also acknowledges another wave of media surrounding Haley prior to her deciding to lean into her 15 minutes of fame. What do you do now? Because now you have management.

Now you have a team. What are your plans moving forward? Like, do you want to still be the hook to a girl or do you want to like? I don't really want that to be like my image. Yeah. Like, hot to the girl, I just, I don't say that being like, my thing. Yeah, I don't want to be none of that. Yeah.

So it's kind of a surface exploration of how this shift went for Haley, but the idea that Haley voluntarily wanted to leave social media six months ago and now is returning to it just to reclaim and ideally profit from this moment, more or less happened because of something that was outside of her control. For everyone that I've seen jumped to the conclusion that Haley was determined to be famous, I don't see any evidence

that that was the case. Thinking of the girls and women whose lives were damaged or demolished by appearances on Girls Gone Wild, I don't see it even more. But on Planned Bree, Chelsea Bradford appears briefly as well and offers a little

insight in her ability to consent to the on-the-street interview from her perspective. Did you say anything that you wish you didn't say? No, which I wasn't prepared for those kind of questions. I don't think anybody was. Yeah. Like, I wasn't in the right mind, but I knew what I was saying, you know? So I made sure to keep it like.

Because it was going to go out there? Yeah. And you were just like, fuck it? I just said, I don't give a fucking hurt way. So like I was saying before, what do you think she should do now? Like, do you think she should just take full advantage of it? Oh, absolutely. Like, I love her personality.

the fact that the world gets to see it, and they obviously love it too. So I think she should just keep going. And the accent. The accent is so good. Again, like we talked about last week, I think two things need to be true here. There's not much doubt at this point in early July that Haley has decided to lean into this fame and see what might become of it. And that's pretty common for main characters in her age range, early 20s, who don't have longstanding careers or families of their own to consider. But I think it's also fair to say that this was not something she was necessarily courting prior to this moment.

So, what now? During her first interview, here is what Haley thinks is next. So now is like you're going to go to L.A. You're going to go to New York. Oh, yeah. Do you think you see yourself, like, starting your own type of, like, show or podcast? Or are you just going to be, like, an internet personality? I think we're going to do, like, a show, and then we're just going to be, like, on a bunch of podcasts and everything else in between.

Cool. So kind of just figure. out as you go. Oh, yeah. There's more to come. Don't worry. And at the end of her interview with La Paglia, we get the first hint of exactly how politicized Haley is going to be as a figure. When La Paglia asks if Haley would, um, if Haley would hawk Tua on that thing of various prominent people leading to the inevitable. Donald Trump. No, absolutely not. No. Uh-uh. It's a no for me. No. Jake Paul.

I'm happy to say Hawk. I'm not to say Hawk. You said no? I don't know. It's going to be a no for me. Okay. Thankfully, this happened in 2024. A moment where the media had finally recognized that when someone gets this famous, this fast,

they really need to think about how they're going to frame her. I'm just kidding. Here's part two of Haley Welton, the Hawk toa saga. Welcome back to the show. Let's play the theme song. I'm not so bad when you turn up the light's going. I'm going to be perfect all the time. To make me a start, let's take it too far and give me one moment.

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and while I'm recording this from the past, I'm assuming President Trump's second inauguration was even scarier. And while I dissociate with you for an hour or so, let's continue to examine the saga of Hawk to a Girl, Haley Welch. After her first formal media appearance with Brianna LaPaglia, aka Brianna Chicken Fry, no time to explain, she was further politicized by saying that she was not interested in hawk-tua-ing on Donald Trump's penis. And I mean, God forbid, these two 21-year-old girls immediately knew they didn't want to

slobber on the dick of a nearly 80-year-old man. And off of this very normal question came a very normal media response. On the right, we have Laura Lumer. The Degenerate Hawk to her girl's real name is Haley Welsh is anti-Trump. Then, Laura Lumer, later that day. I stand corrected at Bill Ackman. Upon further review, it turns out that she was only talking about whether she would perform fallacious on President Trump. And in the center, an embarrassing Twitter account called Biden's wins.

The Hawk toa girl just absolutely demolished Donald Trump, saying it's a no-go for her. retweet to make sure all Americans know Gen Z is speaking out against Donald Trump and his radical agenda. And in the words of a normal Instagram commenter, Stop memeifying politics. It's not whimsical or cute. America is facing a horrifying reality and articles like this trivialize it. This feels like it happened 5,000 years ago. But while all of this was happening, Haley's team put her to work. mostly making appearances at first.

She memorably met Shaq, who is the king of the random endorsements. Epsenico Teng comes with so much ink, you can print up the 5,000 pages. Can your printer do that? This coming as a former attendee of the Shacktoberfest haunted house in Long Beach, California. But Haley met him at a bar in Nashville while he, for some reason, did a DJ set. Haley's publicist, who also represents Bruce Springs, seems to have taken a pretty classic approach with making her image. He got Haley near as many mainstream figures and outlets as possible as quickly as possible

in an attempt to build credibility in the space that Haley seemed to be interested and well suited in, video chat podcasting. And while she was nearly immediately asked if she would give Donald Trump a blowjob, Haley and company tried to mitigate this kind of politicization in the day. days and weeks to come, as Haley was brought on stage at the Zach Bryan concert and flown out to judge a bikini contest in Fort Lauderdale, telling Rolling Stone in her first national interview on July 11th that the attention had been really overwhelming for her, as someone whose biggest fear was getting kidnapped. She covertly addresses this kind of politicization

in the interview, saying when asked about the upcoming 2024 election, I don't want to be the middle of it. Whoever you want to be president, that's your business. What's my opinion to you? And I was talking about looks wise. Donald Trump, I'm sure you're a nice man, but you ain't getting the hawk for me. He's old enough to be my granddaddy. Okay, let's put a pin in that. In this same Rolling Stone interview, Haley emphasizes wanting to do something positive with the fame she'd gotten from her meme. This kind of reminds me of Ken Bone. And she wanted to to depoliticize her own image. Also kind of reminds me of Ken Bone.

And to be clear, these two people do not have a lot in common, but it does seem to be kind of the plight of the election year main character. Remember, Ken Bone went viral in 2016 at an election event. Haley told Rolling Stone, Maybe this was like God's gift to me or something, she says. Everything that's going to come from this,

it's going to be something good. The piece also notes that Haley was consistently surrounded by her new manager and publicist, along with Chelsea and a videographer. It's clear that she wanted familiar and newly trusted people around her to advise on this barrage of attention. The penthouse team's motto for Haley was said to be, Protect the Hawk from the Vultures. Oh, brother, this guy stinks!

Two desires seem to be locked in from the beginning. She wants to start a podcast or do something else in comedy, and she wants to help animals. And by the time the Rolling Stone article was released, Haley had in fact released her own merch and had reportedly already made over $65,000, in addition to $30,000 for an appearance she would make on Long Island. So she had, at this point,

reclaimed her image. The question was, in an industry she was completely unfamiliar with, who could she trust to help shape this image? We'll get back to that, but I just want to single out the name of her merch site, 16 minutes dot life. I have more examples down the line, but this is a repeated trend that makes it seem like Haley and her team wanted the podcast. title to this exact show. Too bad, so sorry. Hope you enjoyed this episode. A few days later,

she made this aforementioned Long Island appearance at a bar called The Ugly Duckling, as chronicled in a piece in the cut that featured some of the most needlessly classist writing I've read in a while. What the writer is correct to point out, I think, is that this was a bar swarmed with mostly white Republican supporters of all ages. From, kids trying to fake their way in to meet the woman of the moment, to grown men in one of the many unlicensed hawk-toa t-shirts with Trump's face on them, reading truly nasty slogans like, if she don't hawk toa, don't talk to a, as well as a literal Donald Trump impersonator. Why the writer goes out of their way to call the bar shitty, the people smelly, and tubby,

and drinking Miller Light as a naive attempt to fit in is anyone's guess. Don't get me wrong. This event sounded extremely unpleasant, and the writer is not wrong to point out how this exemplified Haley's early and immediate Republican voter appeal. When she arrives, Haley is said to be ogled over and swarmed by adult right-wing men. And while she's enthusiastic and polite, taking photos in a yellow dress, one of her management team members leans over to the writer from the cut, saying, I have a newfound appreciation for how creepy men can be, but she's taking it like a champ. She's a girl. She is a girl, interesting observation. Anyways, a few days later, Haley confirmed that men throwing themselves at her in this desperate, creepy way, both made her uncomfortable and was her new normal, along with the almost-to-be-expected requests for feat picks and an only fan's launch, neither of which she had ever indicated an interest in.

She said that she didn't even know how this appearance had come together, only that it was a part of her management's plan to get her a podcast deal. And when asked about the very Trumpy nature of the event, Haley said she didn't want to get a picture with the Trump impersonator and did not want to discuss her personal politics, explaining, I don't know much about politics. I don't talk about things that I don't know. And in regards to the creepy men, I'm there for the women.

I'd sit there all day and talk to the women. And as summer 2024 continued, Haley's management seemed to find where her podcasting niche was going to lie. It's a weirdly difficult space to identify, and the closest I've found is something that writer Max Reed calls the Zintternet. Something he explains is the expanded universe, of not just men, but content generally marketed towards young to middle-aged men that, if you trace the ladder up high enough, always comes back to someone's shitty, scummy sports betting app.

He describes this internet, I think, pretty perfectly like this. You could probably communicate the basic contours of this community simply by calling it frat internet, or Barstool internet, or dumbassool internet, or dumb out. parley bet internet or internet made up of guys who send annoying whiny replies to aOC or whoever and when you click on their profiles it's like thousands of retweets of stories about the lSU football program ridiculously specific maybe but it's huge this space has become pretty big in the last 10 years reed speculates in part because of Elon Musk taking over twitter and because sports gambling has been legalized in so many places in the US. And when they became legalized, they needed to build

media to get young people addicted to gambling. I even have a personal anecdote from this. When I worked at the Boston Globe when I first got out of college, my editor left to go work as, quote unquote, the editor of draft kings, which at the time sounded ridiculous. The other reporters and I thought he was a dumbass, because why would you leave a legacy newspaper to develop hashtag content for a sports betting app. Well, we are all podcasters and sub-stackers now, and he is a millionaire. So shout out Corey. A foot washed up a shoe with some bones in it.

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something that becomes clear in the series of shows she's featured on in the next two months before she eventually launches her own podcast, the famous Talk Tua. I just play better picks. Hit some 2000 X lineups and have a ton of fun winning money.

Download better and play better picks if you want to win 2,000 times your money. Download better, play better, Hello and welcome back to talk to. I got Miss Chelsea and then Mark Cuban. But before that, there was her appearance on Whitney Cummings Show, where we get pull quotes like this. I remember thinking, this is so unfair. People should be able to go out and have a couple of drinks and have fun and not get famous overnight for it. And have it thrown on the internet. Are you close to having a house a month later? I could. Yeah, probably next month, I'd say I could probably buy a house.

I think one of the coolest things about you becoming famous is how hard everyone's rooting for you. Like, the internet is usually so negative. It's such a nasty place. And I'm sure you've seen some nasty stuff. Then that'll always happen, though. I love hot dogs until I found out what's in them. I love hot dogs. I love hot dogs.

I do. I love hot dogs. That is like the most sexual thing you can say by accident. That is going to just... I almost feel like we have to cut that out. And tragically, later in this interview, Whitney Cummings face-times Haley Welch's biggest comedy crush. Matt Rive. So Matt Rive, let me see if I can do this in a sentence or two.

Matt Rive is a tremendously unfunny stand-up comedian who pivoted to strictly misogynist jokes in the last couple years when he grew insecure that too many women were coming to his shows because they were a true. attracted to him. Whether that's why he chose to get the world's worst cheek implants is anyone's guess. I know, I know, I know. Body shaming is horrible, but I hope you'll agree that it doesn't count when we're talking about Matt Rife. But sometimes you get a girl with a big clit and you're like, God, dude, I'm nothing. You just eat yet. I've seen it. I've seen it when I've been to the bedroom with a girl with Massa Clint. I'm like, yo, that's pretty close. Yeah, like, what am I supposed to fuck you with thumb wrestle? And while the bread and butter of these Zinternet podcasters

is built around talking about cancel culture and you can't do that anymore. Haley never really talks about cancel culture and doesn't really seem to have much interest in airing hot takes on these appearances, or even later on her own show. But it's clear that these edgy, often controversial, white millionaires are the ones that she's pulled towards. You're Matt Rife's, you're Morgan Wallens. The list, unfortunately, goes on. And Haley's management takes care to pull her image towards sports.

Even though sports are something that Haley herself regularly admits, she knows and cares very little about. But there she is, throwing the first pitch at a Mets game on August 15th for some reason. I'm not going to put you through all of these appearances, but one I do need to single out because it is a cultural artifact, so baffling that I consider it my patriotic dude. to share it with you. Haley Welch, Ms. Tua,

on Bill Maher's podcast. I'm not up to trends. I had to figure out who you were today. I'm so serious. I don't keep up with anything. You're 21. You're not supposed to. I'd be disappointed if you did.

Your day-to-day before this happened was like working in a... Where'd you work? A spring factory. A spring factory, right. It wasn't nothing bad, though. It's not like a normal factory you hear anything about.

I guess it was really laid back. I enjoyed it there. Yeah, but it's still a fucking factory. I mean... Yeah. I mean, they got the bills paid. That's all it mattered. I didn't mind getting up going to work every day.

Which is better? That or now you're in show business? I'm in show business. Come on. Show business. You don't know Woody Harrelson. No, I don't. Really?

Woody Harrelson? That is time. What a ravager. Now that's religious. I don't have the time or energy to talk more about Bill Maher's podcast, I do know it's called Club Random, which sounds like a Little brother's YouTube channel. But I do kind of love this interview because Haley does not know or care who Bill Maher is, and it seems to be bringing him to the verge of having a nervous

attack. The whole interview is basically him quizzing her on World War II and the Beatles while putting this weird life serum into his sparkling water with a syringe while she drinks a high noon like a normal person. I promise I'm not lying. It's very, very weird. The only good advice Marr is capable of giving Haley is something I noticed happened across media elders who spoke with her. Even when they're people I'm not personally a fan of, there are many people twice or three

times her age, who gave Haley just pragmatic entertainment advice on how best to not fuck your life up. Here's Bill Maher. I told you you were given this chip. You were given the chip of fame. Now you want to trade that in for something that uses that, but takes it to the next level. You have to trade on what you're already known for. That's the one thing you're known for. So you could do a podcast for, like, I don't know if there's anything from somebody that age with that point of view, but it couldn't be frivolous. You'd have to take it seriously. Could you do that? Possibly.

And talk about sex, but seriously serious issues, because there are a lot of really serious issues. And weirdly enough, this also happened on Whitney's podcast with Matt Rife of all people. And they were just asking if I had any kind of advice to somebody. who had had similar success in a similar field and platform. And you were the example that I brought up. And I basically just said to fucking stick to your guns and have fun and be smart and responsible. Because as much, I'm sure you've already started to see this a little bit. As much as people love you today, more and more people hate you tomorrow.

And the more people love you, the more people hate you because people love you. So people love to see you succeed in the beginning, but then they fucking love to tear you down when they feel like you've gotten too big for your britches. So my advice that I gave was just for you to be smart and fucking enjoy yourself. So every once in a while, she gets a usable piece of advice, but this doesn't seem to be the path that she's going to go on. Now, to this day, it's unclear to me how much of this plan is of her own volition and how much is being pushed by the management.

But I have my suspicions. I'll share this quote from her manager, Johnny Forster. when he was asked if he thought Haley would ever try to get Hollywood representation. She doesn't even really know what that means. No disrespect to that. Okay. By mid to late summer, Haley had an Instagram audience of over a million people, which makes it interesting when she starts a Twitter or X account sometime later in the summer.

Mainly because, sorry, I mean, I'm still on there too, but Haley's generation is not particularly interested in. in Twitter. She literally calls it X. No, from what I can gather, Haley started her ex account because she was encouraged to. At a massive crypto conference, she was attending as a celebrity guest last summer. Now, it's unclear exactly how this crypto appearance came together, but it appears the culprit may be Howie Mandel. One million dollars is a top prize. No crazy stuff. stunts, no trivia questions.

All they have to do is be able to answer the most important question tonight. And that question is, deal or no deal? Like that Howie Mandel, host of Deal or No Deal, voice of the Magway Gizmo, Howie Mandel. Has it got a name dad? Yeah, Magwai. What? Magwai. I don't know, some Chinese word.

I just call him Gizmo. He seems like it. And then my friend got me on to a movie. I did this movie called Gremlins. You're Gizmo. Yes. The first little woman, but it's the same voice. He goes,

It's the same voice. It's the same voice. So this is... Stay with me. Haley Welch appeared on Howie Mandel's podcast called Howie Mandel Does Stuff, where she plays this joky game where she learns about her ancestry.

in a bad rip-off of a much better show on PBS called Finding Your Roots. For Hollywood people, you should keep it. Yeah, I don't trust anybody. It's not just Hollywood, people, it's just anybody. Why? What happened? I just don't. Did something happen? No, I just don't trust anybody.

Let's ask management. Can she hacktua into the tube? Away from the microphone. And I can't prove that this isn't a coincidence, but Haley Welch later links up with Howie Mandel's son-in-law, Alex Larson Schultz, a.k.a. Doc Hollywood, who is technically a musician, but for the sake of this sentence, is absolutely a crypto guy. This brings us to July 24th. When Doc Hollywood posts a photo of himself, let's see, description, a white guy of indeterminate age, presumably bald, black

rimmed glasses, black t-shirt you can tell cost over $100 for some reason, flatbrim hat, and he's pointing at Haley Welch and Chelsea Bradford while reading Matt Fury books behind him, saying that meme class is in session. And in case you're not terminally online, Matt Fury's work is a reference to the fact that he created the cartoon frog Pepe, who the right wing and the crypto lobby

have pretty successfully stolen as a symbol of their own. So while it's unclear whether Doc Hollywood introduced Haley Welch, to Howie Mandel or the reverse, if I told you Howie Mandel's son-in-law was a prominent villain in this saga, would you believe me? Because that is the world

that I'm asking you to live in. Because once Stock Hollywood pops up as a very thorough timeline from the ringer's Katie Baker details, Haley becomes a peculiar fixture in the blockchain community, a place known for crypto scams, Crypto being something that Haley has also suspiciously never demonstrated an interest in before.

Haley becomes a soft fixture in both the crypto and the sports gambling space, mainly because the two are connected via a lot of sketchy gambling, including a cursed encounter where she met RFK at the Bitcoin 2024 conference in late July at some event called karate combat? Sure. And it's around this same time that she starts an ex-account. And while her personality remains somewhat consistent across her social media channels, I do need to note that the content on Haley's ex-account is markedly different

from what you'd find on her Instagram or her Snapchat. Instagram and Snapchat for Haley tend to be more general influencer lifestyly things, her sharing her personality in a fairly direct way. But her ex-personality is marketed to the crypto, AI, general chaos tech pro. Her early tweets, I am absolutely certain from when I began researching this series, are from early July 24, but appear to have been since deleted and are impossible to access via the way back machine, something I suspect has something to do with an eventual crypto lawsuit.

But I do feel very confident in saying that Haley's first posts on X are a series of videos and pictures from a Nashville Bitcoin Expo where she agrees to start an X account at the event. At present, Haley's first tweet that's publicly available is from August 7th, but you'll have to take my word for the fact that that is not true. Regardless, the Haley presented on X isn't just a relatable girl from Nashville. She's a crypto-capitalist with a southern twang,

a very different version of herself, to the point that she'd occasionally have to remind people that she was running the account, herself, posting front-facing videos as evidence. It's me, bitch. What are you fucking mean? Hey time I'm trying to tell you all, it's me, bitch. It's me, bitches. But most of her posts here are either promo for her eventual podcast on fellow Crypto Bro Jake Paul's sports betting company platform or ugly AI-generated images of her onto TechBrow meme formats.

In no particular order, Haley as an astronaut, Haley as the Statue of Liberty, Haley surfing, holding a beer in an American flag while wearing a tuxedo. And her spin on existing meme formats, like the Drake one waving away traditional news sources, then smiling and pointing it, X. She's using dumb catchphrases like Grock Tua. This account is clearly courting the Elon Musk lobby on Elon Musk's platform specifically. And while this alternate Haley persona builds on X, She and her management continue to introduce her

to the corner of the hyper-successful, ultimately kind of bigoted and boring video podcast world, Whitney Cummings, Bill Maher, and so on. Then on Instagram, over on her more normal persona on August 28th, Haley launches the one initiative it seems like she actually would have cared about three months earlier, a nonprofit called Pause Across America. Today I'm happy to announce to launch

of my Paws Across America Fund. Our mission is to bring awareness, advocacy, and financial assistance to animal charities within the United States. I'm starting in my hometown shelter, and it went a little something like this. We're at Petco, and we're going to be getting some supplies. So the first thing on my list is leashes and collars. She calls this initiative her life's mission, and I honestly believe her. Her love of her friends, family, and pets are the only ostensible consistency across this story.

Now, as for what the nonprofit does, very hard to say. Their URL is registered under Haley's LLC, 16 minutes. And we know she reportedly donated a half a million dollars of her own money and partnered with the Community Foundation of Tennessee to get the non-profits started. But what we don't know is how much this charity made or what they really did, but they are accepting donations to this day. Don't donate there. But at the time the nonprofit was announced, Haley said,

Ever since my life changed so publicly I realized there had to be a reason for it, said Haley Walsh. Growing up, the one constant in my life was my pets, and they helped me get through so much. By starting Haley Walsh's paws across America, my newfound financial blessings will be shared with the animals that need it most. And at the time, this got Haley a fair amount of goodwill. here she is acknowledging that her fame materialized out of kind of nowhere, as much of the media

surrounding her had indicated, and that she wanted to do something productive with it. But the management machine that she had brought on to protect and expand her influence continued to work behind the scenes. The next day, Haley's ex-account was back posting memes, this time with Haley's face on a crypto coin. and three days later, she and Chelsea are at the Celebrity Poker Tournament, which, to no one's surprise, was her first poker game and she appeared to have no previous interest in it.

In my opinion, clearly the management has a mission here. But before we can get there, yes, it's time to Talk Toa, whose trailer launched on September 2, 2004. She's literally doing anything to stay relevant. Does anyone actually give a fuck about her? Why are we keeping this girl relevant? Your 15 minutes are up. Your joke was funny for two days.

Stop. Y'all really thought I was done? I'm just getting started, baby. Incidentally, all of the clips of podcast conversations that follow in this trailer are never actually aired. As is referenced on the podcast months later by Jake Paul himself, it appears that the entire first round of interviews conducted were never aired due to being weird, stilted, or combative on the part of the guests, meaning Jake Paul.

In the trailer, the conversations are with Zinternet appealing guests talking to Haley outside with a campfire, while the eventual show happens in a more conventional studio setting with the obligatory fluorescent sign that says Talk Tua. But even if none of this footage ever ends up airing, the trailer effectively teases the idea of the podcast. It appears on Jake Paul's network, it features real conversations with the coolest guests, and it teases what becomes a running, if uninteresting question throughout the show's run. Who is Pookie? I'll spoil that for you. Pookie is Haley's on-again, off-again boyfriend, who is a seemingly nice plumber from her hometown named Kelby.

He's around her age, she seems fine, but don't let this deter you from the podcast message, which is essentially Who's pokey? He might stop by too. They'll exercise every week. Subscribe to that day! The announcement for the podcast in the Hollywood Reporter read as follows.

Welch is set to host the podcast Talk Tua as part of the Better Banner with the first episode debuting September 10th on social, digital, and audio platforms. The weekly podcast will see Welch showcasing her

comedic style through a blend of interviews, lively discussions, and humorous moments. So if you listen to the 16th Minute Manosphere series, this might sound a little familiar. The just having funny conversations formula is very similar to all the most successful right-leaning podcasts that populate the Manosphere every day. But at this point, Haley was a mainstream figure, so most reactions to the announcement of TalkToa were either tongue-in-cheek finalies or the more boring lamenting that the podcast signified the end of the world, as every Haley Welch news development seemed to tease out at the time.

The audience was Barstool Conservatives. But as I said in our first part, I still firmly believe that I am the only person to have ever truly watched every single episode of TalkToa. But before we delve into my psychosis, What's more interesting than the actual content of the podcast is the way that Haley and her management go in terms of aligning her with Jake Paul, the one, the only, the unfortunate.

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The Puzzler is the best place to get your daily word puzzle fix. Listen on the iHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome back to 16th minute, and we are at a critical point in Haley Welch's social media career, where she puts her trust in one of the worst men on the planet, and his brother, who is a close second. You can really put either brother in either position. Logan and Jake Paul are an entity unto themselves, but the brothers became famous online when they were even younger than Haley, blowing up on Vine in the mid-2010s in Ohio. They started posting regularly when Logan was 12, and Jake was 10.

Here's Logan's first YouTube video. Can I have a drink the, what's that called again? Already obnoxious, but the Paul brothers have run the gamut of what internet success can look like, pretty cleanly straddling second-generation internet pre-COVID. To remind you of what that playbook was like, This was all about moving to L.A., becoming daily vloggers and prank YouTubers, and being at the very front of the hype house trend. Yeah, back up!

Wow! I never thought I would say this, but welcome home, Jake Pollers. We made it, Mom! We flippin' made it! Good morning, Jake Paulers, what's flipping Gucci? Today is off to a flippin' amazing start. We're moving in to the new Team 10 house. We already got the flipping cars parked in the driveway.

I mean, come on, it's official. Maybe still the most famous I post to this day. Jake Paul's Team 10 was omnipotent online in the mid to late 2010s. But for the brothers, tasering two dead rats and getting demonetized on YouTube later, as well as both having terrible botched rap careers that were mostly just plugs for merch. Here's one of Logan's worst. And I heard you from the north, but I'm from Ohio. Christmas round the corner, get your merch, link in bio.

Logan Paul, you use your song to plug your merch. Yeah, boy, I'm the Maverick. Why, you're feeling to hurt? The brothers found that they had to continue pivoting because they were getting canceled intermittently for truly horrific stuff. At age 23, older than Haley Welch is right now and well into his internet fame,

Logan Paul famously made content in the quote-unquote Japanese suicide forest for clickbait, posting videos of recently deceased bodies while joking and making YouTube thumbnail face about it. Not only is this truly disgusting, but keep in mind that the audience for the Paul brothers at the time were overwhelmingly children. And by extension, this put Logan Paul at the forefront

of the disingenuous YouTube apology format. I've made a severe and continuous lapse in my judgment and I don't expect to be forgiven. I'm simply here to apologize. But Jake and Logan, persisted cleanly into Web 3.0, the post-COVID era, defined by long, meandering YouTube podcast with conspiracy theorists, pivoting to boxing, an NFT scam called Crypto Zoo that, from what I can tell, sold NFTs of zoo animal stock images, military defense startups, abandoning their pet

pigs, going full Trump and donating five figures to his 2024 fundraising efforts, interviewing Trump, and solidifying the Paul's place in the new manisphere of late 2024. Give a fight you, brother? Not in real life. You practiced a little bit. Never. We've never even sparred.

But I was willing to step in from Mike Tyson when Tyson got sick, and we actually ran it up the chain in Netflix. It's hard for brothers to fight, though. Well, me and Jake decided we both come from a place of love. That was Logan. And in Jake's case, pertinently to this story, a sports betting app called Better,

which eventually brought on some podcasts to basically promote the app. And that's thankfully all you need to know about the Paul brothers for the purposes of this show. But keep in mind what the Paul brothers have in common with Haley Welch. They became famous at random online, but they, unlike her, are made of Teflon. The more they're canceled, the further right an audience they court, which is pretty normal practice at this point. But I do think the fact that their men makes it a lot easier for them to keep bouncing back, because white guys are the people we're conditioned to give redemption arcs to.

And I know a lot of that sounded vague and didn't attribute things to one brother or the other, but to be honest, I'm not paid enough to tell them apart. But having done all this stuff, and still remaining successful enough, for the recent Jake Paul versus Mike Tyson, a convicted rapist, Netflix boxing match to become one of the most successful streamed sports events ever, it's bleak. The Pauls have found a lot of success doing whatever the most annoying, profitable thing to do is in any given online moment. And as much as I hate to hand it to them, they've pioneered a lot of annoying, scammy trends over the last decade. And it's the younger Paul, Jake, who founded the better app and bravely fought that convicted rapist two and a half times his age on the world's largest streaming platform,

who ends up seeing an opportunity in Haley Welch. Enter TalkToa. But it almost wasn't called TalkToa. Check this out. Talk Toa is a really good name for the podcast. I was very... That's all her right there. Oh, got a girl.

It's really good. We had, like, a few different ones. Like, what else do you guys have? There was, you get me, and then there was this one. What was the other one? Sweet tea. 16 minutes. I'm smart-ass.

Like, you know, the 15 minutes are bad. But you might remember, people were frustrated to see Haley expand her influence. Some because she was trying to capitalize on the attention, and in my case, because aligning yourself with the Paul brothers is a bad sign. Not a surprising call, to be clear, because the appearances that Haley had made thus far fell somewhere between center libertarian right, so people freaked out about cancel culture and making dick jokes as a full-time job well into their 40s. But what's interesting is that many of these appearances and early guests are pretty even split of people who are either 10 or more years

older than Haley is, or people currently employed by barstool sports. So it is clear what media group she's falling into, and it's a lucrative group of people. And while some of them are mainstream names, most are niche popular or got their start on the internet and seem to have been chosen to pull in a wider audience for Haley, from younger guests like Jojo Siwa and country singer Dasha, to high-profile comedians like Hannah Burner and Whitney Cummings, to more popular center-to-conservative podcast hosts like Brooke Showfield, Caitlin Bristow and Brianna Chicken Fry, to tech-adjacent pros and business pros like Jake Paul, Whiz Callie. and I'm not kidding, Mark Cuban.

That man will talk to fucking anyone. So as the talk to a historian, du jour, I'm convinced. What happens on this show that's worth discussing? Because most of the comments on the YouTube releases of the podcast, which peak at 2.7 million views on the debut episode and reach their low at around a quarter million views, as well as charting on conventional podcast charts, Most commenters don't appear to be watching the show.

I'm a 41-year-old surgeon. Mid-operation, I got an important message that the Talk Tua podcast was released. I dropped everything and rushed home immediately. Thank you for saving my life, Talk Tua. Currently fighting on the front lines in Ukraine and everyone has called Truce to watch episode one of the Talk Tua podcast. Amen. I was in the middle of driving a school bus full of kids on the highway. when I got this notification, I jumped out of the bus causing a 19 car pile-up just to run

home and watch this podcast. Thank you, Mrs. Talk Tua. You are truly inspiration. So what happens when you do listen to the show? Here's a short tour. In episode one with Whitney Cummings, we learned that the podcast is being recorded in L.A., as well as are introduced to the people who Haley is surrounded by more or less constantly.

There is, of course, Chelsea, who serves as a co-host, who they cut to every once in a while, also her manager, Jamie, who seems like a real piece of work, and seemingly a publicist from time to time. During episode one, Haley talks about how she recently has taken her first flight ever from Nashville to L.A., and holds her own pretty well, although Whitney Cummings is pretty generous

and encouraging about making sure the conversation keeps moving. And there's a bone-chilling pattern established for this first-time host. The transition from being a spirited conversation with other people to a dead-eyed reading of an ad for Jake Paul's shitty sports betting app. But like, so that's something that is such a breath of fresh air about you. It is. You know? I agree.

So I'm going to be real with y'all. I was never the biggest football fan. I honestly don't even get the rules that much. But what I do know is I like having fun and winning money. And better picks let you win up to a thousand times your money. These interruptions get increasingly weird as the show continues. But the only other thing really worth mentioning here is that Whitney Cummings gives Haley the following misleading reassurance at the end of her appearance. So, no, I'm proud of the people you've surrounded yourself with.

Thank you. Because that makes or breaks you. Mentally, financially, everything. So you have amazing taste in humans. Whoops. Pass forward to episode three with Caitlin Bristow, where Haley shares the following, terrifying, prophetic dream. So I actually had a dream about Matt Rife a few weeks ago,

and it, like, traumatized me a little bit. This man, he come out, and he was like, just give me a minute, you know, I'll be right back. I was like, oh, okay, he comes back, and he's, like, looking at me off a weird, so I was like, okay, I need to get away from him. I start running from him and hide in this closet, and there's a bunch of dead girls in this closet when I get in it.

He's still, like, killed, you know? And I'm like, what the fuck? He opens the door and finds me, and I, like, darting between his legs and run out, and then I'm in a cornfield somehow, and then he runs out with an axe and starts, like, Cutting on my ankle. Oh, my God.

Episode 4. Haley's asked by guest Dasha about her mental health. I still get down in the dump sometimes. Yeah, okay. Like, if you read, like, some mean shit, like, on an off day, you're like, damn. Yeah. What if they're right? Yeah.

Episode 5. Haley acknowledges her fucked up in traumatic childhood. You had, like, a crazy childhood. I had a very fucked up childhood. Really? Yeah. Damn. I'm a granny, baby.

What's that, like? Like my granny raised me. Aw. Wait, same as my girlfriend. Episode 7, the 5 millionth teaser of Who is Pookie, turns into yet another sports gambling ad. All right, y'all, big announcement. It's time for the reveal. And no, I'm not talking about Pookie. I'm talking about the best offer for this NBA season.

In honor of basketball being back, all new and existing users will get a deposit match on better picks. Now, Chelsea is in the ads as well, but she doesn't really say anything. She just stares vacantly into the middle distance. And it's around this part of the show where guests will regularly quiz Haley on things she doesn't know, making her look charmingly uninformed for not knowing who figures like Plato and Socrates are. For all of its silliness, it's pretty dull, but as talk to it chugs along, Haley reaches a few more benchmarks of cultural relevance, including the classic, weird SNL reference. Time to meet today's celebrity contestants.

We've got the viral sensation of the summer, the somehow famous for one sentence, Haley Welch. Hop to he and spit on that thing. That's the one, yep. In late September, and she made more inroads with the conservative tech community by joining KIC in early October, KIC being the streaming platform where most people go after they've been kicked off of Twitch for saying a slur.

On Kik, she livestreams her appearance at a gamer conference. Haley also makes repeated attempts on X to meet Michael Saylor, a Bitcoin billionaire who, of course, has been to court for tax fraud. On X, she repeatedly tries to saddle up to Elon Musk, hosting a number of AI Photoshop's as that scary Tesla robot, as well as advocating to Free Ross Ulbricht, who's currently serving a life sentence for running the Darknet Monolith Silk Road. While Haley never advocates for Trump explicitly, the way she's saddled up to, mostly his supporters,

gives you an idea of the audience she's interested in. On October 9th, Mr. Beast, a tremendously successful YouTuber who recently got engaged to try to distract from his ongoing reputation troubles, rented out an entire movie theater to watch Talk Tua on the big screen, captioning it as follows. POV, you rent a theater to watch Talk Tua. The Thick of It by KSI and Eat Lunchly. Which, in case you have a life, is a canceled YouTuber named Mr. Beast, watching a crypto-fraud Flash in the Pan Influencers podcast, Haley Welch, while listening to rapper slash Logan Paul's best friend slash co-business owner, KSI while eating lunchly. Lunchly is, or maybe was at this point, I just checked, is a luncheables competitor founded by KSI, Logan Paul, and Mr. Beast that famously has a lot of disgusting mold in it.

Anyways, nice plug for Talk toa by Mr. Beast. Of course, the reason Mr. Beast did that was synergy. Lunchley is a Paul endeavor, and Haley is an employee of the Paul family. And that synergy goes both ways. Once the Jake Paul versus Mike Tyson fight is announced on Netflix, Haley and Chelsea constantly joke about it, mention that they're attending, encourage others to watch, and jokingly pretend to be rooting for convicted rapist Mike Tyson. We have to keep moving. Episode 9, released a week before the 2024 election, this ad appears. Chelsea, guess what? What is it this time?

Did you know you can bet on the election? Like, you can bet on who's going to be president? Yeah, it's this new app called Kaushi. No way. I got to see this for myself. Oh my gosh, She can bet on different events, too. No way. I've got to see it for myself. Episode 10, Jake Paul appears ahead of his dumb-ass Netflix fight and goes full Trump. Then there still be the hate of, oh, fight someone your own age, because people are brain dead, actually. And they don't look at the actual facts, which is probably why a lot of people are voting for Kamala Harris.

But it's a sad world out there. In this episode, Haley's boyfriend, Pookie, aka Kelman. be is revealed and immediately starts doing a sports gambling ad with her. Pookie, I got a surprise for you. Nothing you do surprises me anymore. Game time's hooking us up. We're going to be able to get some good tickets. Here, you pick.

Pick your top three and then I'll pick out of those. Can it be a game, a concert? I can choose anything. Yeah. And speaking of Pookie, the day after he appears on Talk Tua, Haley and her team launch her first and possibly her last app, called Pookie Tools.

Why not? I've downloaded the app but refused to pay to use it, although most reviews indicate that while it markets itself as a dating app, it mainly seems to be an AI tool that tells you how tall someone is when you point your phone at it.

And much like the podcast, it's unclear if anyone has ever actually used pooky tools because all of the reviews on the app store seem to be jokes. Such as, where do I begin? This app has absolutely ruined my life. I can't believe Haley Welch, the creator of Talk Tua, would do this to me. I now have a court hearing for domestic violence charges against me and drunk driving, which both didn't happen. I thought this app would help me get all the huzzs, but I did not. I am very disappointed Haley Welch, but I do love talk to her.

Don't worry, the jokes become increasingly sexually violent as you scroll. Episode 11 is Wiz Khalifa promoting his bespoke weed brand. Episode 12 is Mark Cuban, who both talks to Chelsea and Pookie about how Haley takes massive shits. And more interestingly, explicitly warns Haley Welch not to go into crypto. Check out this transition in this episode. I kind of love it. Man, it's rough out here. It is really rough out here.

But I have do found respect for you, Haley. Thank you. Thank you. Skid marks for the win. Do you do anything with crypto? Yeah, I do a lot with crypto, actually. Okay, let's hear the rest of the clip. Oh, yeah, if I launch a meme coin, can I give you some tokens?

Yeah, I'll give you my wallet. Okay. Are you sure you're going to launch? I don't know. I'm not a big of fan about meme coins. I love crypto, but, but you. You could make some money from it. There's no doubt about it.

No doubt about it. So a weird, cautious endorsement where Cuban is basically like, yeah, meme coins are a scam, but you could make money off of it. Sure enough. And on the final episode of Talk Tua thus far, episode 12, titled How Not to Get Canceled. Released on December 3rd, it's not a great episode, but it might be the final episode of Talk Tua we ever get, because it was released just one day before, Haley Welch's meme coin dropped, and very possibly vaporized her career altogether.

Talk Tua falls so a crypto scam can emerge, and that's next time on our final part of the Hawktoa trilogy on 16th minute. 16th Minute is a production of Cool Zone Media and IHeart Radio. It is written, hosted, and produced by me, Jamie Loftus. Our executive producers are Sophie Lichten and Robert Evans. The Amazing Ian Johnson is our supervising producer and our editor. Our theme song is by Sad 13. Voice acting is from Grant Crater.

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