SleepyCabin - Sleepycast 30 - [The End?](Season Finale)

Episode Date: August 3, 2015

The season finale of SleepyCast is upon you all. It is consensual, so we don't give a fuck what your counselor says. We answer questions from Patreon and Reddit, and give Tom Fulp the gangbang of his life. Very much love to all y'all, and we'll be back on the air in a few months, so go outside and greet the world, you cave-dwelling stank-encrusted hobgoblins... oh wait. Fuck. That's us. Nevermind. Kiss. This episode starring: Stamper (www.youtube.com/StamperTV) Oney (www.youtube.com/OneyNG) Ricepirate (www.youtube.com/ricepiratenewgrounds) Psychicpebbles (www.youtube.com/user/psychicpebbles) Spazkid (www.youtube.com/Spazkidin3d) Niall (www.youtube.com/Cryburgers) JohnnyUtah (www.johnnyutah.newgrounds.com) And special guest Tom Fulp (ruler of www.Newgrounds.com) On twitter - https://twitter.com/tomfulp Your editors: Stamper - Patreon Q/A Niall - Guest spot with Tom Fulp Ricepirate - Reddit Q/A and Final edit Music by: Oney - New intro Kevin Macleod - various additional pieces +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Yo, we're on Patreon if you wanna throw us a buck! http://www.patreon.com/SleepyCabin A SUPER SPECIAL THANKS to some of our generous supporters: Jacob Miller, Shane Danells, Ryan Pagonis, Chris Cunniffe, Creeps McPasta ,Brian Adam, Nicholas Rose, Jace Baker, Denis DeLong, John Erlinger, Trevor Wood, Liam Staley, Hector I. Murillo, k0xfilter, skooks ,Sonny Canchola, Nile DeFreitas, Susparty, John Toomey, Timothy Smith, Paul Raymond, Lucas, Joshua Tully, Michael Westermeyer, Riley Paul, ubernoobinator, Matt Gronhovd, Joseph McCarty, William Sawikin, Travis Wager, Schegerino, Rodolfo Davis Millet, Windmill Punches, Corbin, Corbin Record, Dean Borris, Andrew Dore, Clyde Cash, Clock Watcher, Jonathan Tillmon, Elecktricd00m, Bill Zhuang +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ SleepyCabin Official Site! http://www.sleepycabin.com SleepyCabin on YouTube! http://www.youtube.com/SleepyCabin Stay tuned on Facebook! https://www.facebook.com/SleepyCabin ...or Twitter! https://twitter.com/sleepycabin +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ We're on iTunes, too! Search for SleepyCabin!

This is the Sleepycast season finale, featuring Stamper, Rice Pirate, Oni, Psychic Pibbles, Spaz Kid, Nile, Johnny Utah, and Tom Fulp, my name is not really Captain Dickhead. I have been living a lie, all my stories, everything I've ever said. It is a lie, one day the truth will be revealed, but not today. Today I have a doctor's appointment because my pee-pee is coming out like cottage cheese. See you in another life. There is a world as tangible as our own, impossible to see yet, unavoidable to sense.

A world enveloped by a seemingly unending ocean of forests. Buried deep in that forest, tucked away neatly within a blanket of twilight, lies a quaint little cabin and in that cabin more powerful than a grizzly more agile than a cougar with reflexes faster than two cobras combined it is the evolutionary bridge between man and beast and saskwash enter the domain of the North American sanksquatch towering nearly one and a half inches over the typical brownstone Sasquatch set wait Sasquatch or sesquash fine whatever Tune in next week as Discovery takes you deep within the vicious web of sex, lies, and drugs. That is the secret world of the North American Sank Squatch.

Only on Discovery, After Hours. Welcome to the 30th and most special episode ever of the Sleepy Cabin podcast. I'm Jeff. And why is it special, Jeff? Yeah, why Jeff? Jeff. Much like the finale of a TV show, one of the cast members is dying. It's true.

It's true. It's to boost wings. Who's gonna kill up tonight? Who was it? Broke the mic. This is real, by the end. So, boy alert, it's me. Every season we're gonna lose a member. Also, every member of the CDCast is here tonight.

Yeah. It's right. That is why that took us long enough. First time, golf clap. We'll try not to talk over each other. Yep. I can't clap. Corey.

Cory? Introduce yourself, Corey. My name is Corey Spass Kid. They call me Z to the Dizzles. See, I actually said my name. That is my name. So, I am already on the... You get an A plus.

Z minus. Zach. I'm Zach, dude. Come on, get over it. I'm still Nile. Well, good old Nile. We're working on that, but yeah, all right. You're you one day.

I'm Chris. Moving on. Yeah, I'm Stamper TV. How's it going? And I am Rice Pirate Mick. Welcome to the podcast. This is a very special episode, as Jeff said. Fuck the fuck, fuck did it and fuck did it fuck up.

This is the final episode of the season, episode 30. We got a lot of shit to cover. So let's fucking do it. A lot of shit to come. We got questions and stories and songs for y'all. And answers. That too, Nile. And answers to songs.

And answers to songs and answers to answers. All right. So to start it off, we do want to say, hey, thank you to our patrons who have supported us throughout all of this. We hope you love the podcast and all the other content we've... I mean... Yeah, no, no, thanks for all your support to all of us in general. No, it really has meant to lie.

No one was twisting your arm to pay for anything. Except for that dollar tier. Yeah, that one- That was- Whatever, dude, I kiss so many people at the conventions Yeah, you know why? We earned it. You got sick from that.

Guys, if 500 people are donating $1, they count. It does. It absolutely counts. I only got sick from the guy that gave me tongue. When the normal people should close your mouth when you kiss strangers. It wasn't, though. I don't think we got tongue, Nile.

No, you did slip a bit of tongue in. Sorry. No, it was nice. They call it a tier because everybody He tasted like marshmallows and cigarettes. No, I love you, and we're going to move on in the next question. The first question, and this comes from Aidan Gill, and they said, how did each one of you discover Newgrounds?

Lightning Round. We've answered this before, so we're going to blaze through it. Go, Jeff. In 2004, I needed a job, and I searched Flash and Google, and Newgrounds came up, and then I asked Tom for a job, and he said yes, and then I worked here. Perfect. That's how I found out. Uh, um, uh, anti meat and fuck games in Mario and Sonic versus Sprite collabs. You were doing...

McCoyce, McCoy said, McCoy said he was... Go, go, go, go! In 2005, I was, uh, I tried to make cartoons about a little character that was a tomato, and, uh, he'd always get sliced up at the end and I put him on Newground, so was it. Uh, when I was 14, my friend Paul showed me a website, I'm retired on animal babies, and I kept going on. Sam, yeah. In like, uh, 1999.

1999 I stumbled upon it because I was looking for funny animated gifts and then I found an animated gift that had sound in it and I was like holy shit Wait what? Oh, whoa whoa, whoa, shut up. What? No, but it was flash. Oh, okay, yeah. It was what I thought was an animated gift, but it had sound in it and it was on new grounds and that was before the automated portal even existed. Oh, you mean like most of our cartoons that people just rip and fucking post his gift? He said he saw a gift that was a gift with sound and he couldn't believe that sound was on a gift. Yeah. You don't understand the concept of a dot square. And then Tom started adding my flashes early.

Yeah. Before the automated shit he exists. You know, Tom always says in his sleep, like, while he's lying in bed, he always says he likes you the best. Tom's a little bitch. Yeah. All right. I found Newgrounds, uh, through. I love Tom.

I'm just kidding. An Ego Raptor video he posted on YouTube that said, stop watching my cartoons on YouTube. Go to Newgrounds because it's better. John Toomey asked, who do you hope to have on season two of the podcast? Stamper. Oh my god, the speed that's The speed of which that fucking answer came out That was amazing

You know, I'm just moving on Fuck the rest of that question Moving on Travis Powell asks but wanted a 5% stake in the company, would you take it? Yes. And what would you do with it if you did?

Take the money, shut down the company, that's our new company. Buy a Resident Evil Man? Called that Kevin Sleepy. It's like flipping houses, you just get on. Start a new Patreon, keep the old one running, and just stack them up. Is that what you guys are talking about? I'd like to think the real answer would be we'd probably do a couple animated series would actually make content.

It's gonna be like Tiredhouse.com. I think actually what I would do was I would tell him a series of questions catch him off guard to see if he actually was truly a sleepy cabin fan. Wait, what? No, who cares if he's a fan? He just gave you a $500,000 check. Well, he, he, if he knew about sleepy cabinet, it's just not something like a fan. The other question is if, are you going to take it if somebody wants 5%? No, I would tell him. This is what I would say.

I was going to say, Chris, you can't spend all the money in your Resident Evil. Yeah, it's not fair. You can spend half of them. I would really want to make sense. You can build half of them. I would really... I honestly think we would probably do a couple of series. $500,000.

It seems like a really arbitrary number. Like, why would anybody be like, here's half a million? And I want five percent of his company. Assuming he's a creepy rich kid, like he's a rich dad or something. I would bring him into a dark room where light is shining on him and I would ask him, does my dad fuck me. And then start chopping off his fingers with pliers. If he didn't give me the answer I wanted to answer.

I'd buy a capture card and start let's playing and make triple that. Yeah, exactly. What day? You'd start, so you're basically saying with $500,000 you'd start a Minecraft let's play chat. Yes. All right. Moving on. So he would keep all the money and then just start let's playing.

There you go. That's right. Nathan Brown asks, not that Sleepy Cabin has been going for almost a year. How do you dashing guys feel about the growth and work of Sleepy Cabin? Has working together helped you guys grow as content producers? No. No. working together has made me hate and resent people.

Well, this group actually hates you the world. We all hate each other. Realistically? This is real. This is real talk. We are friends. And we have you. We are friends.

Everybody and sleepy Kevin, we are friends. Are exactly how it is portrayed in the videos. You are a good friend of mine. I value your friendship. This is a podcast. No. Let's go to eat a steak.

You're all wrong. You're all... What is the question? It was, basically, has working together helped you guys grow as content producers. Really no, because we've all been working together anyways. Wait, what's a content creator? Oh my god, Corey.

They make less than shit you've been doing for the last decade of your life, man. You make content. You make things... Cartoon, create a people like... You know what's what these fucking worthless lets players call themselves who play video games? They create content. Oh, stuff.

Like stuff. Yeah. Stuff. Literally just stuff. Like shit you throw out a wall. If you eat a sandwich on camera and put it on YouTube, you're kind of career. You spit into the same. No. I know. no meaning anything it's I haven't made anything it has no validity so it's

no I think here's what's ironic is that we've got Jeff and Corey who both have been working on a game with Tom Fulp we have Zach and Chris have both have been working on hellbenders we have now who's been working on half of the ladies in Philadelphia and outside of the state and then we've got most black yeah Stamper and me who have also been working on some other stuff so while we have sleepy cabin we chose a time to start this when every was working on this huge other fucking projects. It was basically like, hey, let's start a podcast

while we're all super invested in something. We're all drowning in work. Next, we got Jace Baker. He says, we sent him shit today. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We sent a lot of people's shit today and yesterday. You're having your biography written, which fellow sleepy cabin member or Jeff

would you want to write it? Would you want to write it? So, um... I'd like a stamper right. Shot down again. Yeah, okay. Wait, you would write Stamper's? So he would let Stamper write his.

Oh, you would let Stamper write yours? Who would you want to write yours? Correct, yes. I would knock that shit out of the park too. All right. Corey, who would you want to write your biography? I'd have pictures in it too for people that don't like to read. No, an autobiography is something you write yourself.

That would be you writing yourself. What would you want somebody else to write your biography? Like your life, if you died today and someone was, someone in Slippy Cabin was writing a book about you, what would it be? You're having your biography reading. It's a good question. Which fellow Sleepy Cabin member?

First of all, it's kind of a big ordeal because you're asking you. someone to write your biography? Are you gonna tell us about your black friend and fucking cold corn? No, that's important. Why don't you just go full-blown corn and have celery write it? No, move on.

Listen, okay? Whoever would write it would have a fucking fun experience, because let me tell you something about my biography. Zach would write it. Yeah, Zach, I would like how you just whittled that down. He's like, someone would have fun. He would be that.

I would expect you to stretch the truth just to make it really epic. I wouldn't have to. You're fucking vadiac. nice as weird corny. I would have nothing to buy them. Well, right better. Zach, who do you have right your bad? It's a tie. Either Jeff or Stamper, I know Jeff would just roast me. I'd be curious to see what Jeff. Zach was born ugly and stupid. Let me tell you something, Zach, I would be diplomatic. I would be, I would, I think stupid, I think you, I think you like, have it in the book. I'm not gonna lie. I think you slip it, I think you slip it a lie just to see anybody

buy it. Like you put something weird in like the middle. Like your dick is shaped like a Yeah, yeah, we just told the rest of it. So I'd be curious. You would do that, you would, like, hide in stuff. You had a small weiner every chance you could. Whatever, I'd shoot on myself too. I would too. It's his penis is really gross looking.

You should see it, dude. Ew, M.O.L. The rest would be like... Like, you did amazing things? Yeah, yeah. Like the climax of the stories that your weiner's shaped like a question was. He was a pedophile. I don't know. Anyway, I'd have a lot of sarcasm, maybe so much people wouldn't even know what to think.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, exactly. I don't think you can include sarcasm in a book, because people don't really understand. I don't know how else to... It's like the Chinese language. It's so literal that it's hard to be sarcastic. If somebody asked me to write a biography, I would fill in the stuff that they didn't really know what stuff I thought. You would write their life like a movie.

Well, they would tell me stuff. Oh, you would be like the frosting in between layers of cake. You would have something... Just making up bullshit all the way up. I was born and raised on a farm with my father until the spaceship came to pick us up. So you'd lie. No, I would... Nile, who would you have write your biography?

I'd say... Why occasionally. I'd say a Stamper or Chris but maybe Stamper because I don't think Chris would actually do it. I think he would do it I wouldn't do it. In fairness you would you know would you sit down and write like a hundred to 40 pages that's all the book I would have to go to fucking Galway over the fuck Irish hills and talk to your parents would you do that who'd fucking yell I wouldn't do that Stamper would do it if you die okay this is not Chris who Chris who do you have right I'd have Corey because he'd make shit up and he'd make everything stupid and it'd be funny

it would be funny it would be funny something about these assholes doing Corrins say weird shit like I came from the land of sand or something. That would be it. I would, dude. He was bored in Lain, say it would just be a fairy town. Yeah, dude. Water people and fucking all sorts of shit. They'd be like fragel rock characters. He learned about animation through the sounds of seashells.

I would do that. Stamper, who would write your biography? Jeff or Nile. Fuck you, Mick. And fuck you and fuck you. I'd write very sincerely, there would be a few type of, that would miss I apologize for that there would be few typos because I think I'm thorough but I'm not as thorough as I as you are people really keep getting I'd make some

mistakes but it would be from the heart thank you Chris I was I would say Mick but you're too nice yeah no I wouldn't I would always sugarcoat shit Chris your biography would just be in capital letters just no periods because I don't like doing here and no just be comments like a long of rod said I need somebody Towards the middle of it, I'd be like, oh, sorry, Caplock. I'd actually type that in. I need somebody that has the balls to break me down to my bare matter and then explain why it happened.

And just keep going up and down like this. Stamper, why would you choose to be Stamper? I'm a good biography for you, Stamper. I doubt it. I doubt it, Zach. I would make all the excuses for Stamper. That's the problem. stampers?

I think I would say what actually you want the truth or do you want lies? No, what would I lie about? I'm truth. Your lies, you're bullshit. You're sass. Not real. Does anybody know anything about you?

Does anybody know anything about you? Corey's dying. I think that. I expected if Zach wrote my biography, then like there'd be some photo with like a be on the cover with like a Photoshop like American flag man.

No, be you like this. You'd be like three bridges of you. Look at the side, look it up. As a thinking man, looking up to this guy. Where everybody who knows me, the cover would be me in a coffin rotting. No, no.

The actual photo I have on my phone and I posted it on Twitter, it was you when you passed out on the rug after one of our Twitch streams, you were literally face down in the rug with a bottle next to you. It literally looked like a crime scene. You looked fucking murdered.

Was it like fucking Chris Farley's death Would it be like a muscle face celebrity gets stuck a home like half of his shorts down at that point It literally would have like some rape murder scene I have it on my phone and I pose it probably had shit around his ass He probably did you know what I face and pussy no your face was deep down in the rug oh oh Oh I get it fuck you using I would have I would actually have either Stamper or Chris write my bios only because Stamper knows a whole lot of fucking shit that's happened in my life in a short amount of time. Does he?

Yeah. And Chris would write it. Do you want science fiction or truth? Does anybody know anything about you? Yeah, well, these guys. And Chris would write probably the funniest biography, only because like there'd be no punctuation and there'd be lots of misspelled words, like,

then he cronks on the grunk or whatever, and he just misspell everything, just like his scripts that he says to us. writing scripts like you know I love that you write scripts like that that question was like a roundabout way of saying who do you trust the most no that's I was thinking that's never no that's not true at all that's exactly what that's true at all no because I believe that a lot of you guys would trust me no that question is exactly like who would you kill first in reverse that's exactly what that question means I would say you and stamper but if I said look I need one of you to like put a at me. Yeah. No, yeah, no. You chose correct.

Wait, I do it but I'm, I miss. Yeah, no. You chose correct. You guys would hit me in like the liver or something. I should shoot like 10 times in the head to me. No, Jeff knows that I would, I would stare at him or whoever made that call and be like, Stamper and I have a blood pack. Yeah.

No, Stamper would just be like, all right, it has to be done. Boom. I would be like... We're driving off a cliff like Thelman Louise one day. Yeah, that's right. He held hands in all that. Thelman Louise all the way. See, Nick, you're too nice.

You would like shoot him in the liver and be like, I don't know if I should really kill you. No, I'd probably shoot myself before I'd shoot somebody else. All right, we got that question. Yay. Andrew Dore asks, me and a mate are visiting the USA from Australia in a few weeks. Are there any places in New York that you recommend we check out? Joe, Jeff, what was that fucking ramen place we went to?

I don't know. It's like the... Oh, oh, that one. I don't know we want with Tom. I'll tell you what we need to do. Yo, that was some of the best food ever. It was fucking phenomenal. Freddie and Pepper's pizza, m-o.

No, go to Papa Pia's Pizzeria. Go to John Tron's house. Yeah, that was the one I was gonna fucking say. Not on the door. Guys, the real answer is, please, whoever's editing this. What? Hello? Hello?

Hello? Hey, Tom. I just came back to your at me. Oh, are you serious? Tom. What did you? Tom Fulp fucking screaming up at us, taking a piss? Yeah, he was just saying it.

What? He was peeing, he heard us, and then he said, hello, that's all it was. Why is he here? Because he wanted to pee without having to go into the building. At 840. Because he wanted to see the building. Hey Tom! Can I...

Tom! Why aren't you at home peeing? He had a special night with April, but I don't know why he's here. Why he's to pee on April? That's what I want to know. You should be peeing all over his life. Oh my God. That is the most random ass bullshit.

Guys. I have a roll answer here. Please, whoever's editing this, put patriotic music behind what I'm saying, because if you're... Patriotic, I'll tell you this. Because look, if you go to... I heard Patreon. You gotta see those big potholes on the ground. Those people fucking took down that day.

3,000 American dollars. You gotta check out this place called Times Square. Colin and I went to Ground Zero. Yeah, the swimming pool. The swimming pool? No, nobody was swimming. There was a little brown guy somewhere around. He was very disrespectful.

He's laughing. He's just going, ah, you know. Anyways, this is a fun podcast story. He's very small. Mick, you saw fucking... You know those swimming pools is where our country was attacked? Why would they attack swimming pools?

Can I, can I say this? Can I say this? Yes. There was a kitty pool in the middle of New York and they crashed a plane into it. Two kids died. The ugly building on top of them. Four water floaties.

Two rubber ducies were knocked down that day, my friend. Horrible day was a travesty Can I? America's never been the same. Yeah, but there was no fire. Oh shit. I'm dying. And there was gold under the kitty pool.

3,000 plastic pool rings died that day. It's good to say this stuff because I want to make sure people have a zero level of respect or any expectations. Oh dude, it's perfect. You just closed the door on everything. It's great. Oh fuck. Can I say this? Everything with impunity. Mick, you saw 9-11 happen. You've never brought

this up on the podcast. Mick fucking saw it night-11. Are you serious? He had a front receipt to fucking 9-11 and he never brought her up before the podcast. He was on the two towers, right on the entire hanging on to the window. I thought I answered, I thought I already talked about 9-11. Truthfully, tell us what happened from your perspective.

Wow, this is going to draw shit out. You're a widescreen perspective. No, no, no, just be concise. Okay, I woke up. I went to the post office. I had a package to send to my mom on my way to the post office. A guy stopped me in the street and said, hey, did you hear the towers got hit? And I literally did not process it and just thought the guy was crazy. It's New York. You never know. And I was like, yeah, yeah, okay, whatever. And I went to post office. I sent my package. No one at the post office seemed to have any kind of reaction at all.

And on my way back, there were some people that, I don't know. I guess it's kind of like, you know, things felt a little weird. But like, I didn't. really really anticipate anything. I got to, uh, pretty much to our building and there was a bunch of people standing outside and they were on their phones and everybody was trying to make phone calls and, uh, I asked what was going on and they said that the Twin Towers got hit and I said, what, what, what, I mean, I guess like when they say, you're just like, what does that mean? Like what did you mean? Yeah, and then somebody's like, yeah, I got hit by hackers. Yeah, or something. And then somebody said, no, a plane flew into it. I was like, oh shit, that's fucking crazy. And they're like,

yeah, you can see it from the roof. And I was like, oh, shit. So I was like, okay. At that point, it was just like, oh, the towers got hit. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So I went up and I was living with two film guys, Adrian and Elsey and Ben Baker, and they were both film guys. And I went upstairs, and Ben was smoking, Adrian wasn't there. He did whatever he wanted. Ben was a big pothead back then. He still may be, Ben Baker, Lee. Anyways, I woke him up and I said, hey, dude, I heard the towers got hit and you can see it from the roof which you go up and he's like what are you talking about anyways he woke up and he brought his camera up and we went up and all the people in our building which we very rarely saw it was a converted warehouse textile where textile factory which was

then turned into a bunch of lofts um 248 mcibbon street uh anyone in new york who knows that it's there anyways uh it's off the montrose stop and we went up to the the roof and there was just everybody everybody was up on the the roof of the building and they all had their phones out and everyone was trying to make phone calls and no one can get through to anything but what was really creepy is that you're across the river so you can actually look across into manhattan you could just see like one of the towers and just like smoke coming out of it and it was pretty creepy the iconic image yeah well it was one of the iconic images it was both of them were still standing at the time yeah yeah only one was here you you got there before the second one was hit yeah so everyone had said the first one was here the first one was here yeah so everyone had said the first one was still one hit and then by that time I got home and went upstairs and we saw it and then while we were up there somebody brought up a television because none of our shit was fucking working no one could make phone calls and all the lines were like I believe this is what I believe I was selling Stanford this earlier was that the cellular tower was on top of the twin towers I believe

that was the case I'm not sure this was 2001 where people still had people had some but it wasn't like a huge thing a lot of people at them at that point yeah A lot of people had them at that point. But it wasn't as successful. We all had that flip shit. There was no, like, smartphones. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what I'm saying.

Yeah, so, but anyways, we were up there and no one could make phone calls, and one of the towers was hit. Ben brought up his camera, and, um, someone brought up a television and antenna television, and they had a local news going on, which was interesting because, like, pixel for pixel, what you saw on the horizon versus what you saw, yeah, on the actual television was pretty much relative. And then the second one, well, basically everything after the first one hit. So we saw the first hour go down. We also saw the second one hit. And when all that was happening, I just remember everyone trying to call people. And Stamper and I were actually talking about like post-apocalyptic movies where like, how do people feel like the world was ending? And we always see like, you know, people hanging from a lamp post or people shooting themselves or whatever. But the truth is, the way it really fucking hits you is when your cell phone. You try to fucking call someone.

Yeah, when you try to call someone or your internet doesn't work. And they're not in your phone phone. Because like all of a sudden, you can't contact anybody. You feel isolated. So fucking isolated. Like here I was with like 60 people. Nobody remembers phone numbers anymore.

Oh yeah. Even if you had the phone, you couldn't call anybody. Yeah. But it's like here you are trying to call like your parents or whatever to let them know you're all right or whatever. And like you don't have self-service, you don't have internet, You don't have any of this fucking shit. There's no better way to make people feel isolated

than take away that. Because really, it's weird because it takes down your communication from the world down to a block. And you're so used to it. You can't tweet it. You can't Facebook it. You can't call somebody. You can't text somebody.

You're literally just like, who's next to me? If you add it, would you be like the second tower just went down, LOL. Yeah. No, you'd probably take a photo and put it on Instagram, at a filter or something. And then you put it like a filter.

Oh, yeah. No, they would. I have to ask this, because I'm genuinely curious. I remember, I heard it specifically at that time, the initial news was like, if you listen to the radio broadcast or, you know, Howard Stern to fucking anybody who was, you know, CNN or whatever, whatever it was going on at that point. Initially, everybody thought it was an accident.

And what, I'm asking, what point did it dawn on you? When the second tower got hit, everyone, I think everybody knew. And not only that, but we had, like I said, we had the TV up there. and once the second tower got hit. How immediate was it before you went up to the thing? It was fairly clear, but it wasn't

exactly crystallized until... The Pentagon? Yeah, so what happened was is that we were looking at a screen that had the Twin Towers hit, and then all of a sudden, the screen on the news went split screen, and they showed the Pentagon.

As soon as we saw the Pentagon with a plane hitting the side of it, everybody on the roof was like, fuck. Half the roof cleared out and ran out. and got water. It was like as soon as that fucking happened, there was no fucking question. And at that point, I actually started, I have a tape somewhere in my boxes. It's

called Black Tuesday and it's just a cassette tape where I just popped it into one of our steroes and I pressed record as the news was playing. It was just, you reacting to it? No, not me at all. Oh, you recorded, you recorded news. I just recorded like radio stations. Okay. So it was like your favorite rock band radio station press record during 9-11 in New York and it was like all of these guys. Dude, no, that was exactly. That was what everything was. Everything was dedicated to it.

Oh, I even know that. I remember, I was sleeping on the couch, and my dad called me, and he said, turn on the TV. I said, okay, what station? He said, it doesn't matter. And I was like, oh, my God. Yeah, even in Ireland. I've heard that story several times.

My mom, the same thing. My aunt called her and said, to her, it doesn't matter. It was everywhere. Even, it was also in the country. When somebody says, it doesn't matter. That's bad. No, wake up.

Yeah. Yeah, like my mom, like I lived in Ireland and Gali in Ireland, some remote area, and my mom was like, I remember it happened. My mom kept like, she was on the phone, she's like, this is at the end of the world. It's at the end of the world. Well, for some context. And you're in Ireland. My parents bought a bunch of fucking pot noodles because we'd have to hide underground. Oh my gosh. And he's in Ireland too.

Wait, your parents bought pot noodle for you to hide underground in Ireland. Yep. Because of what was happening in that water. They literally thought the whole world was going to be World War III. That was actually the biggest concern. Because look, I mean, at this point, if you think in the context, 2001, the US is like the biggest military power in the world, it still is. But the Pentagon got hit the Pentagon.

Today that's unimaginable, but the fucking Pentagon got hit. It was weird when it started out though, because when I was listening to Stern live, when they said the plane hit the building, they thought it was a, because the vastness of the building, they thought it was a small plane that hit the tower. Right. And that was initially what we said. People thought it was a laughing about. You didn't know that Howard's...

I watched it recently on YouTube like two days ago. Yeah, like Stutter John came in this studio and he's almost like they're almost like taking it lightly. Oh, a little plane hit the building. They're like a little plane in the building. And I think around the time the second tower gets hit, they start going to how it's like, oh, he's fucking, you know, whatever. He's like, well, what do you think Robert? She's like, oh, that's nasty.

What's crazy it is, what that day is. Fucking Artie's like, ugh. Not to, not to, not to, not to, not to do all this switch, but what's crazy about that day is if you listen to all those broadcasts, It's like, okay, things got worse continually. First target's hit. Second target's hit. I think Pentagon get hit, first hard collapse, second tower collapse.

It was like, things every, like, hour were happening worse and worse. I was driving home when they mentioned the Pentagon thing, and I'm like, my man, my stomach was in knots. Well, that was in the last one. They did mention that thing out in, where was it, Oklahoma or Ohio? Hey, where the fuck was. Hey. Which place? That one plane that went down.

That was here. That was fucking Pennsylvania. Oh, was it was Pennsylvania. It was PA. Apparently they say it was. Being an emotional wreck. They say that. Pennsylvania play was meant for the White House or it was on or D.C.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, yeah, the people fucking... You gotta admit, though, they did a good job. They overstraited that pretty well. They cooked a lot of people. Yeah. Anyways, next question. Yeah, we did a good job too, right?

Yeah, not bad. Right. So, the Pentagon got it? I actually did it. It's the 9-11, dude. Yeah, dude. Yeah, this is in the politics hour. Move on!

Corey, like, that's really offensive because I lost a friend in 9-11. All right. Just to answer the question, a really good place to eat in New York is subway. Okay, no, no, no, actually... They got crazy for us, dude. Dude, places, if you want, if you want good Chinese food, there's two places. You either go to Samies and that's on six... That's the America...

The Avenue of America... He's not talking about restaurants, he was just talking about... Yeah, places to visit New York. Yeah, but the other place is flushing where they have awesome Chinese in dim sum. It is an awesome place to have Chinese in dim sum. It is an awesome place to have... Chinese food. It is... Of course you're gonna say the Chinese food, but pizza is what people really go to New York for. You know what? You know what? Honestly, I gotta agree with my all that pizza is...

Do I have to crack on New York pizza one more time? Yeah, and none of y'all ever went to fucking flushing. Suck d- I know what I do. Hey, flushes? Don't cross the strings! Jake Duncan. Jake Duncan asks, Stamper any updates on new music? Fat refund was amazing. Can't wait for more noises from your vocal. Oh! Do I have some surprise?

surprises for you my friend awesome great answer Trevor Wood asks do you guys ever dive into some of the more expansive metal genres oh do I have to black metal um it does yeah dark fortress folk metal um corpick lanney and ns of or pirate metal ael storm you know what yeah let me uh reverse this question say recommend us some bands. Alright, there we go. Next one. Immediately. Yeah, Trevor Boyd.

Because that sounds very interesting. Just, I think he did by sending those examples. We'll check them out. Thanks, Trevor. Next, Rinkley Wiener, Kenneth asks. Leighner, I know him. If you could, A, travel back in time and change something you regret doing, not doing, or B, travel to the future and see how your life will be at any given time.

Which would you choose? I can't make any sense of that question? Can you like simplify that a little bit? Alright. Would you rather? Would you rather go back and change something or go in the future and see something? This is what Zach said. Zach had a really good point.

I would rather see to the point where I die. Let's see the day I died. See how old I get. Yeah, but if you knew it will be a change. Are you gonna see the day you die? Yeah, I want to see if I made a mistake at any point and how I can fix it in the past. You can mess with temporal mechanics like this. Listen.

Shit up, Doug Brown. Listen, if there's time travel involved, the fucking rollbook is ripped apart and thrown out the door. No, are you that worried about the day? you die, then you have to go see it because you're afraid. I was worried. I said I was curious on the day I died. I don't care. See it and maybe try to prevent it.

Because if I die from the whole edge, whatever. That's what coin I did, bro. I would want to prevent it. I would see my, okay, do I die at 30? Do I die at 80? I don't want to die. That's so fucking selfish, guys. Listen, I don't want to see that I die at 24.

You guys are so paranoid and petrified. It's fucking, what would you do? What would you do? No, wait, what would you do? No. What did you do? What are the first time you fucking jerked up? No.

Shut up. All of you, shut the fuck up. Second question is, Andy F.A., what would you change? There's got to be change involved if you go to the past. You know what I would change? The question. Oh, shit, son. Jeff, what's your answer?

I don't know. I was going to say something about traveling back in time and seeing how many of you I could prevent from being born, but that's it. Jeff, actually, Jeff is the only person I genuinely asked this to. Jeff, you're saying that. If you went back in time. If you could go, no, sorry, if you go into the future and you could see how you died. What are you eating, Nick?

My trail mix? My fucking trail mix? I'm eating it all, by the way. If you went into the future and you could see how you died. And now it's going right to his tits, that I don't even care. Would you change it? Let's say you saw yourself die tragically. It's inevitable. It's gonna be a terrible death. What if it's...

No, I'm just saying, if you saw it, let's say in the future, you saw that you somehow slipped in the bathtub and broke your head at this one date. Yeah. What is this final designate? Would you do anything to prevent it or you just be like, oh, that's it? I don't want to die. I don't want to die. I don't want to die. to die terribly.

Hey, my point, oh, I'm a pussy for wanting to change how my fucking outcome, when I die like... Nobody said that, Corey. No, no, he did not say that. He didn't say that. You know you're gonna die terribly. Say I slip in the bathtub and die when I made it. You know what I'm talking. I come back to this time.

If I saw what I want... Alright, so you saw how you died. It was tragic. Do you want to change it? I don't care. Next question. Nick, I just realized one of us are going to, like, in this room, we're going to die first. What do you think it would be? Uh...

Maybe Stamper or Corey. Oh, no. Why mean when I'm sucking on power tools at night? I don't know. I just, I don't know. Like, either, Stamper is either going to, like, I don't know what he's going to do.

He might do something. He'll get really drunk late at night, go over a late night drive and run into somebody, or Corey's going to, like, walk into oncoming traffic. Yeah, you know me. See, that's where you're wrong, make. I'm like, hold on, I need to clear the earwicks out of my ear, so I take a fucking screwdriver and stick it in and hope I get everything.

I never said that. That's what you use tools for? No, I'm assuming you guys are calling me mouth breathing retardants. Nobody said that. I'm assuming that I died from someone who's practically dead now. Cully, do you? No, no, dude, it's always reversed. Like, you know the dude that, like, he treats his body like shit for years?

He always lives to be like eight and nine. That's right. Yeah. You're worse. annoyed people that make sure they have, they count their macros and they worry about calories. You know what's weird? And they die at like 36. You get a fucking agonism.

No, I hear stories about people like George Burns who live until like fucking 90s. 98. 98 who smoke cigars and drink a fucking margarita or fucking martini until the day they die every day. And then I hear about people who are 35 who die of lung cancer, who jog every day who've never smoked a fucking cigarette. It's genetic a lot of it is. I think a lot of it is genetic. At fucking 30 from lung cancer. I can't even imagine Corey dying. I imagine like Corey could be hit by a bus, everything in the bus would die.

I'm saying, I'm saying, Coy's like one of this fucking babies for like the water bros cartoons. Yeah. I just didn't even imagine getting hurt. I'm gonna turn into the... I will be the first T-100 million. No, I just imagine Corey turning into the next flash version that we actually want to use. And all of a sudden, it's just like this AI. Imagine Coy is a fucking Terminator. Yeah.

I feel like, give me all your... Your cereal box with toys inside of you. Are you serious Cereo box? Give me all your cereal Did they ever have Terminator cereal? I know for a fact

They had Batman cereal They had Bill and Ted cereal They had Ninja Turtle cereal They had It's funny too Because Terminator 2 was an R-rated movie And they're just selling

toys and cereal They were And definitely lunch boxes For sure Well you know It's another really silly question about that Back of the day

Nobody really gave a shit If kids watched Rated R&R movies Robo Cup was fucking horror AeroRour That was Do you remember When you did

To get toys? Cereal and you would get toys like of course you get toys like when your parents were like you're not buying that box of cereal Just because you're gonna get to the bottom and get that no no I mean like the toy is like a plastic spoon or like a little bowl or something like Cracker Jacks for that cracker guys absolutely actually came with they're like American Kinder Eggs they were like the ones that came with like the fun toy They were fun they came with like stickers or decals or there was little things that you snap together like four or five parts Yeah, you know what's weird about Robocop? I remember watching it with, um, I was at my friend's house and he had three kids and there were like 12, uh, 10 and 8. Yeah. And I was like, going to the fucking living room just watch a movie. And they put

on Robocop. And I didn't even think anything, because I was trying to work. And they all watched Robocop and they thought that it was a fucking amazing movie. They loved it. Their mom came home and fucking chewed me out and shit because dudes are getting blown apart. But what was weird about that was, I watched Robocop really late in life. I never really saw it as a kid. I saw a couple of pieces of it. But when I was older, I watched it for the first time, and it made me sick. I was like, Jesus Christ, dude, this movie is. That's one thing of my parents, they let me watch. But it was a weird split difference where, like, I'd watch tons of rated-at-R movies,

but then I'd finally watch Robocop later, and I was like, fuck, what did I do? See, there's a difference between rated-at-R movies and other rated-R-R-Movies, because I hear so many stories of, yeah, my mom left me at home by myself to watch Poltergeist or fucking Freddy Kruger or fucking... Well, Robocop is different. Robocop is fucking real. It's like hookers in the next true. That's true.

It's brutal. Man, we ran a Robocop the second it came out on tape. It was a family movie night. Was it the most of Robocon? I was in like fifth grade. This explains a lot. And then they're like the first five minutes of dudes getting blown apart.

You're like, no. It wasn't like the unrated. Oh no. It wasn't the goryest version. They released that afterward. By the way, this sucks, but you can't buy that anywhere on DVD pretty much. They don't sell it anywhere. You haven't.

You have no DVD? Yeah. Really. Suck on that. I got it. I got it. I got it, it was at some convention of they were selling bootleg movies. Oh my god, dude.

I'm trying to leave it. All I remember is the scene in the boardroom with a tea with the... Yeah, that's the scene where you know... He's shooting the guy for like five minutes. No, dude, that's like jars the spaghetti sauce with this. It's a loading, yeah. He just chas up in the fucking pudding. It's like unbelievable.

He says it's a fucking malfunction. Was he a glitch? So they don't sell that? No, you can't. I look at it. You need to... It's the most solid. black people and B carried more money in your pocket.

What? Excuse me? Speaking, see, walk around the steady street where they're selling. Speaking of black people, uh, Harwin A asks, when do you think the Muslims will finally take over Europe? Uh, five years, look at France. No, I give it, I give it 30 years. Muslims? No, I'd say about 10. So don't think, I don't think France is fair. You gotta look at all of Europe. Well, I think France and England, I think, will

probably be taken over in about 10, but uh... Germany and all this... yeah no, Germany no way dude. I think they have like they have the fucking what's it called pedigone whatever, Pagino whatever the fuck. Yeah. They have groups specifically dedicated to that now I think. Alright, so Europe's done. All right, next. Ryan Crowley asks, at some point have you ever contemplated giving up your trades because of a struggle to find creative motivation? Not motivation. Have you ever thought of giving up your creative trade because you ever thought of giving up your creative trade because you you were struggling in your motivation.

No, I never lose motivation. I mean, maybe a lack of early on me, like, but it never detoured me. Answer is no. Yeah, no. We're not just going to bail on it and go run and do something else. That's not the question he was asking.

That is the question. You need to ask it from his point of view. Like maybe he's feeling that. That's why he asked you. Yeah, no, I agree. I stuff from real bad ADD, and like, ever since I moved to America, I haven't been on meds or anything.

And it's been really hard for me to actually focus on anything like and it's really tough because like you know I'm living with these guys who are really creative and shit and I can't like actually just like focus on one thing and you know you know I could help you guys could like actually guide me in I had no ways well yeah you did no I didn't oh really I had no idea this was the thing oh no this is a real thing no and so like it's really hard for me to actually get motivation and stuff because I just can't think of like one thing for more than five seconds a lot of people have this

problem I see that's the thing you can't beat yourself up ever about I feel like everybody has problems especially when it comes to creative shit yeah so you can't like everybody feels bad about everything they do and it's always like this constant struggle maybe if you're not maybe you know everyone has a weak spot with creativity so maybe you're maybe you're really good at creating oh that's true yeah so maybe you're super good at thinking of ideas but maybe you're not good at executing that's so true so everyone has a soft spot so maybe you see people who you see all of us who seem like we're really we're creative and funny we all have weak spots

whether it's like timing or like hitting stuff out on time or getting stuff done or doing long projects or whatever. If you feel stressed out, it's easy to get burnt out. If you feel stressed out in world, actually step away. You're not weak, whatever. You're gonna be weak if you fucking burn yourself out. You can't work for two. You can't work for two weeks. I'll say this.

If you're sitting at home beating yourself up every day because you feel like you're not a good voice actor, and day after day, then maybe you shouldn't be a voice actor. Maybe you could keep doing it, but maybe you were meant for something else. Yeah, explore all errors. It's not to say that you, you... Why pigeonhole yourself? There's no reason to pigeonhole yourself into a specific career.

The world has changed and the world constantly changed. By the way, the world is, it's certainly, now is the time where you can change. It allows you to. None of us are singularly voice actors or singularly, I mean, Jeff, you're your voice actor in a animator, Cora, you're fucking... It is weird. You don't have to point at a star and say, I'm gonna be a web designer for the rest of my life and lock yourself into it. I will say it's weird though.

This is kind of on topic, but... When you get to a certain age, you sort of realize there's certain professions, it's just impossible. Like, I can't be a police officer now. I can't fly fighter jets now. Just saying. You could. That's the thing, Jeff, like, you could. See, I got that feeling when I found out there was, like, 12-year-old golfers that were getting better scores than Tiger Woods.

And I was like, wow. I think it's all the... You could definitely be a police officer because most of them are douchebags and it's pretty easy to get in that right. You'd be the best... I'm just saying these things people... You shouldn't be a firepilot, though, because... Because your eyesight is bad. Yeah, my eyesight stinks.

But I'm just saying things people get into in the early 20s and train hard and you're just like, I don't know. It's just, you sort of crossed that bridge. You're just like, ah, fuck that. But this is the transitional generational period where you don't have to train hard for one specific walk of life.

Right, right, I'm just saying it. Yeah, you just got to break your ass for all of them. Some people still do it stand when they're standing. You're funny and creative. You can do any number of things. That also opens up the other door where people think they are. And it's not working out very well.

With too much confidence out there that are worthless. You know what? And there's people with too much confidence that actually get really successful based on them just being confident. If you're motivated and confident, you don't need talent. Yeah. No, that's actually correct. But Jeff, like, the thing with me is that I vow never to work in retail or fast food ever again. I would rather be homeless and like, okay, jokes.

I'm the same way. I would rather not have a job than just not work like to work in any of the way. Apparently, first you need your ADD medicine, and then you need to start working on stuff. I don't know how to do it. Yo, Niall, hit me up. I got the hook up. Speaking of ADD, DUT SAB asks, for those of you who use Manga Studio 5, wait, who who here use Manga?

Me, Chris Zag. I can't remember who uses exactly. Do you prefer to use the tools that are more like inks, markers and pens, or do you prefer tools that are more like paint? Well, it's different for everything. You use the ink, you use the ink pens. for linework and you use the like watercolor pens for shading. Perfect answer. What about you, Chris?

You know what, that's a girl program. Let's talk about something now. All right. Let's talk about me. Whatever flash lines. Yeah, that's Jagie. Riley Paul. Whatever, Ed, ed and Eddie lines.

All right, relax. To be fair. Hey, I use flash lines and they're shit. Bing. No, to be fair. I do. Jeff's flashlines are really good. Jeff, Jeff's in the sex.

You say fleshlines? It's because you use the pen to. All right. Riley Paul S. What's the cringiest you've ever found on the internet? What? The cringiest? What does that mean?

Man, me and Niall, we're going to have a fucking... Oh, God. Well, I helped found the cringe channel, which was... That's her me and you met. Yeah, actually, me and Chris met that way. I did a website where we just... Basically, we just stole videos that were cringy and upload them onto it. And then, like, the guy I worked with, he...

Wait, you and Chris both did this? No, no, no, no. No, it was just me. You're like funny junk. But Chris liked it. But, like, less popular. Yeah. No, no, no, but it wasn't, like, uh...

The insult to the fucking century, Jesus Christ, that was brutal. Yeah, that was brutal. You're like a worst funny joke. Goddeme, they put... That cut a little deep, but at the same time, uh... I thought it was fucking true, but okay, whatever. Wait, wait, Mick, wait, it's true. No, no, it's true.

It is true. I'm just kidding. I was just, like, slagging Mick. But the thing that happened was, uh, I started this, uh, YouTube channel called Master Spaghetti. I got like 60,000, like, subscribers or something I was like nut at the time then this other guy called he kind of ripped me off he stole my videos but my videos were stolen anyway they were called like I just like I just stole them like cringy videos because I used to look them up at the time and we called the cringe channel and what was your definition of a cringy video

just a video where it's like really hard to watch you need a pause it halfway through to be like oh my god what are you talking about the craziest stuff we've ever done and then after that um red it what's the cringiest thing you saw on the internet yeah yeah then after that uh Reddit cringe was made or cringe and yeah the rest of why did you embrace the suffering of other human beings at the time no one else did that and people suffering it's just about people uploading videos of their own like a lot of people just made videos of themselves they made asses of themselves it was their choice to put it was their choice uploaded however i do feel i do feel about a backlash is their self i know and you contribute to that so it's all human suffering or you're promoting yeah you got to think of it both ways I do feel but the promoting thing was not something that I do what I think of it as bully bully bully and bully I didn't do shit I watched it that's all I did no it's bully it is bully and that's why I didn't want to monetize it

um all I did and the guy who ran it with me wanted to watch crazy shit the most cringiest thing I ever saw on the internet is any video where I actually show myself as like uh like anytime I do like my lip spank things or any kind of like update video or it's me uh truthfully no no absolutely I'm not fucking around like I literally get those are the videos I cannot watch. Well, I can't listen to podcasts with me and them, so I guess I do. Yeah. The most cringy shit I have ever seen is... My videos too? Yeah. Right. Yeah. Anything by Rice Pirate? That's why.

It's too. You look it up as a little bowl of rice. Yep. Pirate. Yep. Cartoons. You are... You are absolutely 100% correct. My real answer is... Also, you're not gonna live past next week, so there you go.

Well, I still got a week. Yep. Yep. Enjoy it. I saw a video where it was like a dude with like these fucking 90s classes. I'm tired of you talking about me. I love that video. We're done with this. This guy had like Jeffredalwood glasses

and his mustache. You mean like the sunglasses that you normally wear? No, he's cool. Nice horny, faggotts! Anyways, this guy called her like a real... This guy called him over like this chick to look at his house. And he invites her and he has a video camera

the whole time. I found that originally. Yeah, he's like, he's like so... He keeps like asking her, he's like basically he's dragging her along. Oh my God. I was one of the original findings of this video. There's no intention, absolutely no intention

of actually buying the house. house you're looking at it. Okay, so this guy, this guy, this guy looks like a 90s serial rapist and he, what he does is he goes, what he does is he goes to like realtors that are women and he tries to hit on them and carry on Zach. Yeah, so essentially, like he makes like an Auschwitz joke at

one point and he just, he's kind of nervously laughing because this guy is a fucking, like, camp corner. So who's filming it? Himself, he's doing this. So how do you know what he looks like if he's filming? He turns to himself. He turns to camera off a stick. Wow, that is doubly cringy. But the reason he recorded something good with this because he thought he was picking up the woman and by the

way at the very end he like he likes but have me wife he's like oh yeah this would be a complaint for my wife and I and at the very end he's like yeah I don't really have a wife and she's like oh okay let's uh she gets super visibly uncomfortable yeah I I had to pause it probably 30 times I couldn't watch all of it I got I actually originally found that video that's why it's probably the worst one look at what it's called oh so it's kind of shocking why do you go out of your way to watch it do you I think a lot of it is to do it relateability yeah yeah you feel like you're that guy's yeah like there's videos where I'd be

watching it like where a kid would have blown himself to like YouTube but when he's yeah he'll make a complete ass of himself okay we'll say the spider yeah you can sit there and be I looked like that kid I could have been that kid see I had the internet years before no that is such horse shit it's not horse shit people watch cringe videos to say look at what that asshole did I'm so much well yeah that's like definitely a lot of it but I'm saying but he's saying it's the I dodge that bullet yeah there's a lot of there's seriously I could have easily So many things like that easily could have been me.

Comedy bombing videos are funny because their comedians are usually assholes and they deserve it. And you're like, yeah. You watch them implode? A lot of those videos are satisfying because they're making asses of the self. I wanna wipe the screen of that, man. What? It's hard, yeah, it's just really hard. I guess that's the cringe part.

It's hard for me to watch. Yeah. A lot of the time. I'll say this too, like cringe is like an evolved treat for sympathy. Yeah. No, it is the ultimate, absolutely. That is the biggest crime. The biggest crock of shit.

No, the reason why you're sympathy? Are you kidding me? If you cringe, it's because you were sympathizing in that situation. That doesn't do with the fact that you want to watch it. I actually agree with that. I will say, no, I will say, listen, this is 100% serious. I feel like the time where I cannot watch something is when someone else is really uncomfortable in the position. Like this, like, if some fucking creepy autistic is bothering someone who clearly isn't interested, that makes me uncomfortable.

Yeah. Because that person's like get the fuck away from me, but he's just this idiot doesn't see any social cues. You guys have no problem watching these videos while I'm standing. I don't, you know what? I don't mind seeing an autistic implode on himself, but I do mind when said autistic is imploding on someone who doesn't want to see it. I don't know what you're talking about. This is another factor. He says he doesn't mind the video was just like Christian Alonov's Rebels. Yeah.

He's saying the videos where... Yeah, it's like... It's something like creepy like, like, like, someone like with like toys and stuff when I was like, I really think you're pretty. you want to give this to you and the person's like get the fuck away for me that makes me uncomfortable another thing is I don't laugh at that story the first time you watch like Chris Chan that is the first like that you'll cringe the first line right by himself no I know right but you'll cringe the first time but then you'll watch the next thing it blows because he uploads like 500 videos

right so you'll cringe for every video because it's always new but you'll be in trance but then the next time you watch it you've already seen it so you don't cringe anymore and you're a fan so you kind of just watch it to watch it so how much can transcend this to me I don't know why but he's just say you're guilty of that too he's he's crudged still I'm not a fan of this stuff but The what you feel towards Christians, whatever else feels is other psychos. It's the same feeling that satisfaction you get from Christians when people feel it extends further. So that's my...

I think Cringe is one of those definitions that's so up in the air. Speaking of Cringe, Jesus Christ, shut the fuck up, let's get to our next question. Let's get to our cringy ass. We didn't even answer. Can I bookend this by say, I do think that some videos go super overboard and do it? That's my drink. What are you doing? Yes.

This is my drink. Wait, sorry. That was your last statement. statement. Sorry, sorry, sorry. So, I'm going to look up. Anyway, sorry. Yeah, Chris Chad, on one of you have, Chris, you have the other one of you have,

people uploading, like, kill yourself comments to some fat guy who's just doing movie reviews or something. Yeah, yeah. You know, there's a huge. Yeah, like, I don't mind seeing someone, okay, here's another example. One last example, but I don't mind if somebody's clearly trying. If you see someone who's put their heart in everything

and if it's a little cringy, you can still look past it because at least in their eyes, they're actually like. Like, Chris Chad tries. He really means what he's doing. Another thing about Chris Chachers, though. That is such horrid. You know you take that video link it to all your friends. That's not true.

That's not true at all. Yes, it is. No, it is. There's a gray area between somebody who is clearly out of their fucking mind and somebody who is actually like... Cory, how do you even know who's out of their fucking mind? It's not just black and white. I fucking harbored on the concept of autism. What shit was my life for four fucking years?

You think I can't tell the difference between an autistic who's imploding on himself? He harbors on... Dude, that is the move. That is exactly what I'm talking about, Corey. That's amazing. No, but you guys are forgetting that Chris Chan's really mean. Corey, you proved yourself. You guys are forgetting that he's like,

That is the most poetic way of saying where you stand, by the way, Corey. Christian, okay, Christian is racist, homophobic, a fucking douchebag. Well, no, no, wait. Okay, one, he was raised badly. So why pick on him? He's clearly. Nobody picks on him.

We're not, we're watching. We're watching it. It's interesting, step, we stand, we, we, stay, okay. Hold, hold, hold. You guys haven't been obsessing over him, fucking. Stimper. Hold on, hold on. Let me say something about that. If you had a store, if you're a store, he saw something like...

You don't think what you guys have been doing for years is picking on somebody. How are you picking on him? Anyone, please. Stimper. I will admit that I did pick on him back then and I do feel remorse for what I've done. But I will also admit that now seeing the air of my ways, I can also appreciate the fact that he's made charming content. Corey, actually, Stip, can I make this point? Can I, no, no, no, like, you fucking nervous?

I'll give you a hook. Shut up! If you were at- Nice varsity jacket, Zach? If you were at- Nick Donald- Nice varsity jacket, Chris. What?

If you were McDonald's, if you were McDonald's, you saw somebody's screaming, going, do I order pickles on my hamburger, you motherfucker? You'd sit there and watch, you'd laugh at it. You know what you would say? You would. I would turn off immediately. No, no, if you actually add the person,

You saw it, in person. Oh, I'd walk out. In person, you would, You would walk out. No, seriously. I think there's a difference. There's a difference. No, no. By the way. Jokes aside, judging my character, how long you've known me, you think I would sit in McDonald's and laugh at somebody like that?

Just watch it. You'd be like, you would. You'd at least- You'd interest. You would. In interest, you'd fucking wouldn't you know it. Would you? I wouldn't watch it for entertainment. I would be really upset. Stipper. If someone farted really loud and laugh, like you would notice. I'd be really uncomfortable.

I'd be- He does that every day. And I'd be dressed at me for. My point is. You've said about here. You'd be there. humor, that humor, all it is is something new. So when you see something new, like a guy walking into a McDonald's, I'm puking all over himself and falling the puke and doing like a snow angel, that would make you laugh because it's new and you never seen it's captivating. No, the theory behind humor is something that you haven't seen before.

That's what I'm saying. I've seen a lot of that, gee, you've never seen a crazy person before. You see you all fucking teenagers. But they do new things. And every time you see somebody like, I have never seen a mad worse than a lot of human dallian. Well, up until that point. Listen, that's true. You, you are right though. That's what's a in a wing right now. You don't see that if there's a difference, I don't agree that you should fucking buy these people. I don't agree that you should laugh these people. No. If it's a fucking freak show or you should laugh at these people if it's Christian. However, Stapper is right in the fact that like, it's stuff that you've seen before. Watching somebody out of pure fascination is fucking being baffled. I do agree that laughing and pointing in...

Tom asks if you could set one word in the English language on fire, what would it be? And stop. Let's talk. Jeff would say wonderful. Also, Corrie, me and you. Duclidus that stapper before you bounce what's your word what's duplicity it means your two-faced god damn it what's your word Sudo intellectual use to say the oh dude I hate the word lovers I hate what's a good that's a good that's actually pretty good word that's the best one because it's really like layered in my opinion moist is just like disgusting moist moist and I've heard that one like moist yeah but what if you put over like now so yeah he like made chicken it was really moist and you don't like moist What if I said these two chickens are moist lovers? I hate it, any word that's for 12-year-olds, but, like, people that are 30 say, like, words like epic or butt-hurt or things like that. Oh, God, but-hurt?

Burned that fucking word. Jeff, do you know 30-year-old? What butt-hurt is? I'm not even a word. I'm just saying online. I don't know. I'm just saying people say it. My, my grasp is people online that I meet in real life that, like, quote Chris and Zach, they go, yeah.

Oh, yeah. That baby, Chris. That's my. People, that's my, people. I will say this, and there's nothing to do with my personal situation, but I've always felt that the word nuptials was a really fucking weird-ass gross word. What's it mean? It's basically marriage.

Dude, I've never heard that. Nructuals. That's something like crazy, it's like, foreign shales. But can I say with what you said, Joe, I've met people, I've talked to, at least talk people who say butt hurt in real life. Every time I hear someone say butt hurt. Yeah. Over voice, I cringe. I actually physically.

I hate the term. But hurt? recoil. And epic. It's weird talking to me It's because I feel both of those words are used as like

single word responses to just like being a fucking asshole. It's like the perfect way like if you were to voice your opinion about something like hey, this is how I feel I just want to be honest,

blah blah and they just write butt hurt. It's just like one of those ways of just being like I'm gonna find the perfect way to just be the most

condescending little shit fuck to drop that little seed right in there. It's all kids, man no I get it let me turn it let me turn it around what words do you really like my one of my favorite words is coin coin coin coin fuck out of here snap for coin coin coin is a cool word yeah coin it's got like it's got punch to it i i like it does i like the term pussy like when you hear it it's pussy coin pussy pussy pussy pussy super pussy pussy pussy pussy i make a pussy

I thought people cunts a lot because it's like the last bad word. It's like the last bad word that exists. You know I like cunt. You know what? After we're done with cunt, I don't know, we're out of bad words. It's one syllable, you could direct it to somebody. I like, it's so, it's so punctual. It is.

Cunt! You're a cunt. Dude, no, seriously, Jeff has said cunt to me, like three times. Not to me, but in reference to other things. And I knew that he meant it every. Realistically, I think. I would say like but more than like... But I don't think it's like...

Because you could say but... But... You just say you like... No, but... the term but. Like, but... Like, like, corn... Like, like, like, like, Like, like, like,

Like, ring is a solid word? What's words that you like? This podcast is negative. What... We talked about 9-11, shit that we hate and everything in the queen. My mom said... My mom gave out to me recently for saying, uh, Kant on Facebook.

She stalked my Facebook page and I called my ex-girlfriend a cunt, and she gave out, like, really... No, are we... Are you smoking in the office now? You're a grown man! Is that what's happening? We're just literally lighting up right here in the fucking office. What Jeff said, I like the word cunt, because it has gravitas behind it.

It's like, cunt. I'm worried. What words are you going to use after c.? No, you know what's funny? What was his name, Louis C.K. I need angry words. He's like the fucking most popular, one of the most popular comics in America, especially from liberal audiences.

Yeah. And he calls his own, like, five-year-old daughter back then, a cunt. Yeah. And he fucking throws that word around a lot. a lot. I don't know what my point was. He's used it in every single way. He's talked about calling her cun. He's talked about calling her cunt. He's fucked her cunt. I've cleaned shit out her cunt. I've licked her cunt. Yeah. Favorite word is dink. Dink? Dink is it a good word. Because it's like dick, but not a dick. But see, if you say dink, I have to say donk or doink. What do you like better? Lucky or charms?

Oh, get it? What word do you like better? I'm Irish to snow? No, no, no, what, what do you like better? Um, Jamesson, or potato. What? What? Law. You're making me... Ruffle.

Put that on that. Wait, my least favorite word is Murch. Marge? Like the name? Let's have a little mini segment here. Corey. What's this week's new, like, hot internet, internet words? Hot internet words?

Yeah. The word I've heard a lot recently, I would... I don't know if it's like the hot internet word, but the term I've heard is salt. What is salty? Oh yeah. Yeah. But it's like way more popular. That's been a word that's been in the fighting game team for a long time.

Salty, okay, realistically. No, I recently saw it because I'm rice pirate, people have been throwing the salt word. No, realistically, salty has replaced but hurt. Yeah. 100%. People say, oh, you're salty. Because they don't want to say butter. It means it's like a baby term.

You're kind of. You're bitter. You're upset. Yeah. So usually they say like when you lose and you look upset, you're salty. Yeah, I feel like I've seen the term salty. like way more than I... Apparently that word originated in the 80s, but it only kind of...

Quebec. I'm telling you dude, idiot and moron are fucking popular now. I feel like a lot of 80s were like the way... Saying idiot? I love moron. Both of those are actually really good. Calling someone a fucking idiot is a more... It has a nice, like, you...

It's your favorite insult. Idiot. My favorite insult is fucking idiot. No, I think retard's pretty strong. Court, you are fucking retard. What about... What about Seth? What about your...

You're a big old Egypt. I like calling nerdy kids. I like calling them point next. Melvin. I hope that comes back. I think that's been... You'll never be credit for it. You're fucking...

Ever. It's way, I think it's the top... Dude, Melvin is the best third word, you. You fucking Melvin. You got to blaze through this. So the next one and we don't need everybody here because some people bailed for the second, but...

Ryan Pogonis asks, What are the chances of Sleepycast crew attending conventions outside of the US? I would love to if I got it. We'd love to if we could, chances. If they want to fucking pay, there you go. If they pay for it, 100%.

If they don't, zero percent. Next question. This is from Ellie. She's actually here in Philly. She came to too many games. Very quaint, lady. Ideally, what is the future of Sleepy Cabin as you see it? Podcast-wise and beyond. You know what's of stuff? You know volcanoes? It's over, Johnny.

Yeah? Do you know how volcanoes, how they erupt? It's over! Volcanoes erupt and the lava goes down. Yeah. Alright. And then it dries up and then everyone forgets about it. And then new... And then more fertile things roll around it. That's right.

Alright, that's your answer. Freakagebus asks, can you elaborate on your experiences in college? Wow, that really limits it just to me because all these fucking uneducated assholes never even went to school. Didn't we... Jeff went to college? What were your majors? Did any of you actually get your degrees? And if not, what caused you dropped? I completely failed. I got 0% at college.

All right. Corey got a 0%. And Jeff actually went to school. What's your college experience? Dropped out. Dropped out. You dropped out before you even went. Chris, Chris, dropped out?

I went for two years almost and then I dropped out. Two years dropped out. What made you drop out? The lack of coolness. Lack of coolness. What about you, Zach? No. Why didn't you attend at all?

I don't think it was bad. I thought about that in my experience too. Yeah. Yeah, hold that. Well, Zach was answering, but yes, you can too. My store, I don't you ever tell before, my story is basically I enrolled in college completely But my my I made promise my son myself I said if I make a certain amount of money per month on YouTube But through other places yeah, I make a certain amount this just recently a couple years ago

What were you going to college for I would I was gonna go for graphic design Okay, which by the way horrible but anyways yeah I did that I had all my courses rolled I had a room I did everything fuck fonts I I I enrolled in all my stuff in I bought all the books again I literally days before Yeah, I met that cap The day so I said fuck this I went and it was the best choice I ever made my life Because I would have not been able to I wouldn't have made choices that would have allowed me

To do what I do now Who are you? Who you are now? Jeff, what about you? Do you go to college? And if so, did you graduate? Sorry, let me interrupt. What was the question? At college? You'll figure it out when we ask it. Jeff, did you go to college? What did you go for? And did you graduate? And if you didn't graduate,

why didn't you graduate? College is a completely different beast. He's answering. He's answering. Here's a question for here. Let me rework this question for everybody. Who, everybody here, does art and animation and other things. What do you think would be that?

Who had like the largest leap from what they originally wanted to do to do? Oh, God. I think I win that. I did biomedical science. Yeah. I was learning how to be a doctor. Biomedical science, homeless man. To man who, like, what a leap.

Dude, what a leap. No, nice leap, the leap here was, uh, it's like, stupid, while I was studying,

oh, fucking break, sorry, continue to know. While I was studying how to be a doctor, I, uh, I realized,

like, I always love the animation, and I always kind of did it. When I was 15, I started doing animation, and then I, like, kind of stopped for a few years, and I was like,

you know, being a doctor, it was going to give you more money. Uh, but then when I started doing, you or your parents? My parents were part of it, too. I would,

I try to make him... Paya! There you go. No, no, you're dead right. I love you. I feel like as a doctor, your bedside manner would be awesome. You would give me the confidence

that I would live till tomorrow. But knowing you, I'd be a little bit afraid that you were doing surgery. Yeah, you wouldn't want me to do open heart surgery on you make. However, though, like, what happened was I was in med school, I was doing open heart surgery on dead people. And then I decided, like, I was doing animation at the time, too.

I actually, that's when I became afraid. Like, uh, what happened was, I was in a... I was in a lab. I was in a lab where we could actually... I was on a lab... I was on a lab where we could... He had a fucking Wacom pen on the heart,

and he was trying to draw it back to life. This isn't the professionation of life. You know what actually happened was? I was in a medicine laboratory and I was excited about the Skyrim game and I was looking up Skyrim stuff. Oh my God. And I saw Harry's cartoon.

All this fucking Skyrim. I saw him. I saw Harry's cartoon about Skyrim, the other one where it was like, what is it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I watched Harry's cartoons about Sky. And then that, like, re-sparked my passion for animation. And then through that, I found Chris, then I found Zach. I became a huge fan of all those guys.

Then I found Jeff. Then I found Snapper. Then I found Mick. And, uh... You're a liar you never found. Last but not least. No, I absolutely found you. I found you in about 2012, Mick.

I found you, like, really early on. Last but not least. of the crop. No. I thought all you guys Corey, no, no, Corey was one of the first. I made a fan animation for you Corey. Did you really? I did. What was it? Then, through that, I met my girlfriend who knew Zach, who I talked to Zach

then who knew Chris, obviously, and then I talked to Chris, and then I moved in with Chris, and then I came in piracy. Um, as far as college, I went for acting. Um, and then this is where I ended up. Hector. We're just talking about school. Yeah. I didn't finish high school. I never went to college. That's right. You were racing cars like a fuck like your little fucking what do they call it with Tokyo Drift asshole Hector Hector I asks

He seems his good stuff what is a condiment or a spice that you guys and gals always put an excess amount Because of how god damn good it is I like mustard. Thank you mustard is great. Okay really quick Yeah, no hot sauce is absolutely the top Chipotle Chipotle absolutely hot sauce when I went to England I love mustard Buffalo? I ordered a meat pie. It's like buffalo sauce? And I told him I liked mustard. Now, I don't know this, but if you, or I didn't know this before, but if you go to England and you get a meat pie at like an old school fucking restaurant, you ask for mustard, they give you a mustard. Yeah, they give you a cart. And there's like 40 different fucking mustard they put on that fucking cart.

What is one condiment everybody here refuses to use? I don't use relish. Oh, fuck you. Oh, no, no, fuck you. See, love horser radish. I like horser radish. I like horse radish. I like horse radish. Let me tell you something, Jeff. Zach loves relish on his hot dogs. Zach, I know. Relish, you can't have a dog.

You can't have a dog. Relish is actually pretty good. I was against, I was against Worcester sauce for a really long time. Is it because they gave you cancer? No, it was like this weird, like, sugar. Dude, horses and whatever. Talking over each other.

Yeah, it opens up your knees. But, Warchester sauce, it ended up, it's not something I throw on top of things, but it's something I cook with now. Fuck hot sauce. No, no, no, no. It's something I cook with that then adds like a nice sugary texture to. Worcestershire sauce is disgusting. No, I would never add it on top of something after I cook it. Dude, every time you come over to our place to eat, more than likely there's Worcesters sauce in it.

And you like it. Damn. Because there's alcohol in the system. It's an ingredient. That's true. Whenever he comes over to our house, he's got an alcohol in the system eventually. My eye, in a half-days with buffalo sauce. I'm half drunk when I mean...

What? Sometimes I'm just like, ugh. And then what it is, I'm like, yeah. Hey no buffalo sauce amaze. Corr! You guys all eat chicken fingers all day. What are you talking about? Listen, I'm on your side. For me, when I was growing... When I was growing up, my dad always got me Old Bang, and I was really attached to Old Bang. Dude, my dad always got me old Bay.

You don't like Old Bang? I just... God, you're a picky eater. How do you live? When I grow up... Get out of here. I actually, when I got like hot dogs and stuff, my parents used to always make brot. so I got really used to mustard because mustard and broths yeah absolutely nope that's that and

sourcrap yeah I like sauerkraut yeah I do like relish like I don't like well no I was gonna say brots and sourcrow I'm not a fan of but relish is good sourcrows good I started getting this savory cheese I know no relish is great and goes good on everything I started getting the savory palette Zach actually kind of introduced me to I was more of like a kid I was like eating sweet cheese no it's not that you're kids because you're from a

another country where your taste are just different. The sweet palate is actually more like thing in Ireland. And you know what the weird thing is? It's like, for example, today me and Mick went to the store and it was a grocery store that I've been to once, but he hasn't been to, so I was like, come check out this grocery

store because they have a lot of good ingredients for cooking and shit. And in the back, they had bags of crickets and meal work. I saw that on Twitter. Yeah, and then we picked them up and we ate them and it was great. And they were like really nice. The honey crickets? The crickets were were way better than the mealworms.

But here's the thing. Like, I would take those any day over Beats. Like, I hate beats. Fuck you. I like Beets too. No, beets. Beats are fucking disgusting. Not only do they stain absolutely everything, but they have no fucking taste. Look, I'm not good.

No taste. You're eating the wrong beats? You have a beet salad with some arugula and some gargonzola. God damn it. You guys don't know fucking fucking... Yeah, the salad and the Gorgonzola is what makes it good, Mick. You know what beats reminds me of? Fucking cooked carrots. Not existing.

No, cooked carrots are fucking nasty. No, they're good to stew. No, absolutely not. Because the stew takes the most of flavor. Canned beets are a fucking travesty. Who said canned beats, though? No, beats are fucking nasty. I think tomatoes are gross.

I hate tomatoes. I will eat tomato. I will eat tomatoes. You know, people hate tomatoes, but everything. I can find the joy in anything. You don't like tomatoes? Can I talk about something about Mick for like one-

fucking tomatoes? I like tomatoes. Go now, go. Can I talk about something about Mick for one second? This is not the question. So we go out and we buy wings. No matter where we go, we always get wings. I eat my wings to the best of my ability.

I think it's done. Mick finishes it like a hyena. Mick like finishes it. Like he makes it like just bone that is shiny. You can see your reflection. Everyone in the comments is going to say you should finish your wings. I finish my wings in my opinion. Mick and Co-in-Cooie are just...

Just the bone. Make it. I agree. You know what? You want to know something, though? People always ignore the fact that there's meat on everything and you can still taste the meat on the gauge. No, no, I agree too. It's like where I do not see meat, Mixey's meat.

Of course. Where I'm like, it's done. I'm like fucking mix like, no, this is the beginning. If you ever really eat with me, even after we finish our meal, if there's a nice and thick bone, I will crack right through that bone. And I will suck on the cartilage. I absolutely will. He eats a card. No, I will.

He eats the- What annoys you more? The fact that people clean their bones or the fact that somebody sucks... It doesn't annoy me. It fascinates me. I like it. I swear to God, I wish I was that. It's gross.

Chris, you don't like tomatoes, right? No. Dude, what's really bizarre to me is like growing up, my dad told me like he would basically ground me if I didn't eat vegetables. So like, at a young age, I learned to like vegetables. And it was to a point where my dad would actually buy me, like, tomatoes and that was like fruit roll-ups for me. I would go suppose I say I would I love tomatoes. I used to actually drink tomato juice You would get you get you get it. You know it's fucking catch up you know it to me oh it's fucking

Do you know what like that I like I like carrot juice. I like carrot juice. I like carrot juice I like carrot juice I like I drink tomato juice all the time It's fucking good. Zach loves the posul of the most possibly Possible thing I've ever seen in my life. Are you talking about blue cheese olives? Blue cheese. Blue cheese olives? I know what Jeff? I know what Jeff? Me and you are that's like Smagmat testicle, really? Stippur, hey, I absolutely.

Yes, Stippard. Yes, Stippard, yes. Zach, before he started this, Zach, before he started this, and that's like, smegma testicles, now continue. And they're delicious. I mean, I wouldn't eat them for a meal, but they're from... Yes.

No, I love olives. Yes. I don't want to be the harbiger of bad news, but I actually... Olives are like trick. I actually think you're eating grape and it's like... Shit's in your mouth. Because I like blue cheese. Because I like blue cheese.

You know what I think? I think if you grow up a picky eater, then you had a shitty mom. I will say that right now. Damn. Because she just gave you everything that you wanted. Little Jeffie wants macaroni and cheese. Little Chris doesn't enjoy it. You drove the car off the highway and almost killed yourself!

Yeah, well, people do stupid shit on the right. How good of a mom did you have with you grew up an alcoholic? What? What? A bad one because I'm going to alcoholic now. Alcoholic. Look, my mom. smoked and well she wasn't an alcoholic I brought that on myself but she gave me the

smoking thing let me tell you something at a young age my dad taught me to enjoy Brussels sprouts and broccoli hey brussels sprouts are great they are great yeah I was raised their he did a good job except for beats and cooked care your water people family did it half okay yeah kill all of you from enough for the water mother said these all all you have to die I would do it yeah you know if you were If you were drinking fucking chloroform every single fucking day, you know, like this green liquid pouring into fucking jugs at our fucking backwater town. You too, yes.

Let's, let's, let's, let's. Enough of you drinking the chloroform, Travis S asks, is there anything you guys can tell us about the projects you are currently working on? Alright, quick, go. Corey and I are working on an enormous, enormous game that'll one day be done, but not soon. But it looks amazing. Next? It does look amazing. I saw the prototype.

It looked great. And you know what? I need to step in on that, too. I want you to. Listen, you gotta voice the girl character. Yeah. You gotta give her.

It looks fucking amazing. It's not even kind of amazing. It literally looks, you know, even Tom. Yo, when I spoke with Tom, he even said, I haven't seen the game like this. That makes me happy because I agree. Sometimes I don't. That's good, because I'm tired of working seven days a week.

I want to be good. It is amazing. All right, next. Tom chuck his old game. Yes, that's right. He said about his own game and said, I've never seen a game. That's right. That's right.

He did. He did say that. All right. Jack, Chris, what are you working on? Hellbender. This is awesome. Take it's chick, Jake Jubs, say it's to replace Gabe with the Hillbenders. Which I saw clips of what they've been working on.

I laughed. I legitimately laughed. They're doing a lot of good stuff. Like the animation's great and the fucking backgrounds look amazing. Well, thank you. Thanks, Matt. The animation's funny. The joke.

The timing's great. We're all winners. Yeah, we're all winners. The joke seemed like... Thanks, Mark. Can I say something? Jeff? Can I actually say something, though?

The joke seemed like years beyond the internet shorts. Thank you. The jokes seem actually like they're from... Like, these guys have been working for years and years. Even though it was only like a year since the last internet short, two years, it seems like it is actually just stages and stages beyond the last thing that came out from... I'm not just saying that. That's actually the truth.

Wow, it better be that good. No, it is that good. No. Whatever. on the chopping block now. You think I give a fuck? I give a fuck. Say what you know, because you got like a whole season to do. I don't care what you say.

Right? Yeah. Well, if he gets picked up. Listen, whatever. Whatever. I grabbed the dick and I kissed it. Yeah, I, no, I grabbed. Look, I grabbed the asshole.

I grabbed the asshole on. Samper, what are you working on? It's funny, it's good. What's current project you're going on? Hold on. Hold on. Can I ask? Show hands. Who here is drug? Because you guys also pretty drunk.

Oh, dude. Sure hands. It wasn't. Half hand. Half hand. Half hand. I don't think Samper's that drunk. I'm fine.

He's fine. Nicholas asks. Do you feel that the financial struggle, Sleepy Cabin, goes through, strengthens you as a group? No. If so, do you also feel that financial success might weaken you as a whole? You're like daredevil. Alright, number one, we don't actually go through that much financial struggle.

We've been all through a lot. Yeah, as far as the financial success, Really? Yeah, as far as I know. Yeah, no, as far as you know dude Yeah, as far as our huge fight you haven't been almost kicked out of the warehouse fucking 12 months in a row because people can't pay their rent on time Nile in our in our mailing bill Financial trouble our mailing bill makes this fucking spent $400 Yesterday and today mailing packages and nobody gives a shit about and we actually still Finances we actually still have we still have a bunch of stuff

to send out to. I don't know about the finances at all. You're not part of sleepie. That's funny because it's actually- Bang! I'm sorry. It's okay. I'm sorry. You know, I try to do my part.

Well, listen, Corey, what's interesting about that statement is that the all of the sleepy cabin finances are absolutely available if you go to the sleepy cloud. You will see all- What is that? It's in the Google docs that we have. It's if you go to the folder of our Google docs. I don't use Google. All right, next question. favorite coin like you.

That needs to wear a fucking shirt. That's beautiful. I paid you like three days ago. Did you get your money or not? Fuck. I don't check me. Yeah. I don't use Google.

I can't keep talking about this without. Guys, you know he doesn't get money. He doesn't do a good job. He's here all day. All right, guys. Next question before I kill myself. Clock watcher. Well, no, it's only because we spend about

fucking 40 hours a month trying to make this thing work in terms of like the financials. If you've never looked at it, it's there. I made it public so you could see it. Make email? I just want to move on. Corey, we'll talk about it later. I just want to move on. Email me. On my email,

you email me. You message me on Skype. I'll do that for the first time ever, Corey. Thank you. Yeah. Next fucking question. Clock. Clock. Clock watcher asks The next amazing question.

It is. The question he hasn't asked yet, by the question. Are there any particular objects or tools in your dreams that do not function properly? I'm sorry, I'm clock on your goodbye. Next question. All right. Would you guys want to expand on the studio, bringing on or in other artists, or helping other projects out? No. I think eventually yes.

but that, well, we're trying to, we're trying to fit for ourselves at this point still. I mean, what's that out of... Are you talking about, like, bring on, like, people to help us make content or... Yes. I don't know. Corbin just is basically asking, would you guys want to expand on the studio bringing on other artists? So, yeah, I'm assuming, like, maybe not yet. I'll tell you this.

I think a lot of people have assumed, a lot of people have asked if we were going to have a similar to, you know, new grounds kind of thing, where it's user submitted, I don't think we'll ever have that. But eventually... I don't think that's what it is. I think it's more like, hey, collaborating. No, no, no. You should touch on that because there are people that think that it should be the new grounds People too people have said a lot a pie in the sky our ideal thing is selectively picking and paying and bring you on promoting people

Yes who we enjoy so very selective of a club a little gay club pretty much producing Absolutely like producing is right and it's not elitist it's just quality control and fucking hiring people I've never liked that term producing no because it's the only one it's applicable here though it's applicable It is literally what we want to do. It may not be a good one, but it's applicable. Alright, next up, we got, we, we, we, we, we got electric doom. Hey guys, we got electric doom hitting us up with a question here. Mick, take us away.

What's your guilty pleasure? Why did you do that? What's your guilty pleasure is the question? Guilty pleasure? Guilty pleasures. Hey, jerk it off, dude. Jeff, what's your guilty pleasure? Do you have a pleasure that you feel weird about liking?

Why should, you know what, guilty pleasure always translates to something you're embarrassed about. Right. But why be embarrassed about something that you like? That's correct. Yes. Like a guilty pleasure movie. You know what? You fucking love demolition man. Why can't you like demolition man? Okay, first of all, that's an amazing movie. Nobody thinks it has a guilty pleasure. Nobody thinks it's a guilty pleasure. Nobody's music. I don't know. Yeah, there you go. That's me. 80s music. That's the best. Everyone like, you know what? You're right. That's a terrible question.

Here's a real good pleasure. NPR. I'm a total man. There you go. That's a real good pleasure because you all going to crucist Go ahead, step on. I'll crucify you. You know what? You want to know what my guilty pleasure is? No. Go ahead. Why are you 90?

You want to know what my guilty pleasure is? Yes. Why are you 90 years old? Hold on. Raise my fucking hand for school. Okay. My guilty pleasure is watching like speed runs and people like talking about nonsense and just basically watching the watching people run the same fucking game I grew up with.

Now, Cori. Why do you do that? I don't. What possesses you to do that? Why do you- I have this like- Why at 11 p.m. at night you just feel the urge to cut that on Yeah, and fall asleep to that. Because I'm still a big fan of that kind of stuff. I'm still a big fame. Yeah, I'm still comforted by- You know what, Corey? Yeah. Corey, I'm with you because sometimes when I'm working out on my rowing machine, I want to watch a speed-through of Dark Souls. Yes! Or- Yes! Yes! You watch a game! You watch a game. I want to watch it because while I'm working out, I want to see... Nick, you want to tell the fans you're working out.

Here's the thing. Well, yeah, that's true. That's exactly right. Keep going. Continue. Continue. When I'm on the... No, seriously, when I'm on the rowing machine, I do like to watch other people play...

Exactly. The game. And I do like to watch them do it in a way that I wouldn't normally do it. I've watched... Today, I watched a three-hour 100% run of a Mario Sunshine. Today. And you've already done that. Yeah, I played Mario Sunshine.

But you want to see somebody else do it. I want to see, like, some insane individual map out exactly how you'd beat the game at the fastest time. On another note, Stamper and Jeff, have you guys ever just watch guys play like a street fighter game? And just to watch how they play? Yeah. Sure. I'm watching Evo right now. And there's nothing weird about that.

No, there's nothing. I consider it a strategy. I'm watching strategy. There's a difference between watching. watching a game for five minutes versus watching something for four hours. Well, a four hour watch is a game walkthrough. A chess match. All right, I know where this is going.

Okay, so Zach. No, no, no, no. I know it sounds hypocritical, but seriously, Street Fighter matches are over within a minute. But why would you watch Minecraft for six straight hours? Oh, I never said I watched Minecraft. I would watch Bloodbourne or Dark Souls because I would see... Why would you watch Bloodborn for six hours?

Because I want to see the strategy level for level moment to moment because it's not just a two three minute match it is a whole fucking game I just skip ahead you cut on yeah yeah there are parts where I'm like oh I know what I would watch a six hour let's play if someone playing Minecraft it was like an interesting concept Zach watch your realty pleasure like maybe they think it's fascinating that you sit and animate all day that's true would you really want to watch me do the same no animation for 14 hours no people did it when you did the street fighter thing for Aaron

next true Michael, Michael Westermeyer says, no, wait, Zach didn't answer. Oh, sorry. I only answer, I said, I said, I said, NPR is a guilty point. And I, you're make, guilty. I just admitted that I, I, sometimes would jack off in the trap. You're gonna want this out of the podcast, I know you.

What, I said I did? Okay, he jacks off the trap. All right. He's gonna want that cut out. All right, Michael Westermier asks, let's cut. Nobody cares. I jacked off to a trap multiple times.

What are you high? Nobody cares. Michael Westermy. asks what's something you love but everyone else seems to hate Jersey short Jeff you first let's go let's go I don't know man I wish I had a few I wish I had more than like one second to think about this yeah fast and furious do I get back to you fast and furious three Fass and Fier's three three seven you love that but other people hate it

oh ready got finger fucking funny funny got big good all right okay the walking dead always seemed really well hold the whole lot it's always it's always it's always it's always it's I don't like it, dude. You hate it? It's awful. Yeah, I hate it. It's not that I'm popular, by the way. Listen to the first question. It's what it's...

It's supposed to be something you like, but everybody else hates. Oh, is it? It's the opposite? Yeah, yeah. But wow, we would hate... Not a dick. Okay, sure, sorry, I apologize. Yeah, you just like immediately hated on something. Fuck the walking dead.

Pissing on the walls in the McDonald's bathroom. I agree, though. Um, that I like. Can I not say that I don't like the Walking Dead? Axis powers. Axis powers. There you go. Japan, come on!

Knock him some more ships down! What do you love that other people hate, Zach? Come on. The movie with Arnold Schwarzenegger where he's defeated the Antichrist, what's they called? Uh, eighth day. Seventh Day, Six Day. That would be such a guilty pleasure, but I love it. I don't know why. It's such a shitty move.

Oh, yeah, shit. That's the one. I think it's a six day. No, no, no, that's the one where he closed himself. What's the other one? Oh, uh, uh, the end of days? It's called it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's such a shitty fucking movie, but every time it's on, I have to watch...

I have to watch all of it, yeah, yeah, I have to watch all of it. Every time it's on, I have to watch all of it. For me, it will always be Freddy Gotfinger. It will always be that movie. I often love to watch the entire trilogy or quadrilogy of Resident Evil after I order a pizza. I like the first Resident Evil movie, even though it's such a... Yes, yes. You can get to it, but...

No, I will watch those with absolute pleasure. I will order a pizza and watch all of the Resident Evil. I look, Eel, isn't it? You disgust me. Eel, dude, they're horrible. I didn't say I like it. Boo, boo, boo!

Dude, boo! But I kind of liked them too. The first movie's got really good music and atmosphere. No, that actually mixes with the guilty pleasure thing, too. I will order a pizza, I will buy a bottle of vodka, and I will consume both of them while I watch every single fucking movie. Look, I, it's the eight. What do you say?

Why didn't even get this is a guilty pleasure? Oh my god what the fuck? Okay my guilt I like please shouldn't really my only guilty pleasure She's girlfriend fuck off ended years ago what was it Jersey Shore? Yeah Jersey you like Jersey Shore? I just love that yeah me and Chris love Jersey Shore dude cabs and hip gab's yeah I'll never defend you on that I know it's fine Look it's obviously garbage yeah it's so bad but it's you know what I can understand now why you guys Because the whole concept of it is just like so fucking out of the world. There are lots of things I hate about it.

Tragic alien interactions. It was so, it was so different than our lives that we thought it was funny because like it was just so stupid. It was good to laugh at them. Like a stark contrast between life in Ireland versus life in America. That's it.

That's it. Yeah. Is that what you thought life in America would be? At the time we did. We did. A beach. A beach. A Jersey.

A Jersey beach. We thought that was the time in New Jersey. And everyone was like, yo, we need to come to get some roast beef sandwich. I'd never seen. Guidos before it was new. Yeah, then the guidos were like brand new back then and like two of the guys grow like loosely throw out guido and a couple of the guys were like they did grow on you that you like them and the other ones are so fucking

Vinnie and Polly yeah yeah Chris Vinnie and Polly yeah they greeted on you yeah Shane Danels asks do you have any other big ideas like hellbenders you want to do after hellbenders yes I'm not gonna say it's really sweet sounding medieval fan... Okay, fuck you, Shane. Yeah, no, I had an idea. Do you guys have any ideas you want to do after your help? Yeah, I want to surprise people. Yes, but there's secrets. I want to surprise people. All right, Nile.

Stamper and I still plan on doing a cooking show. I'm just saying that... No one knows if I'm joking. This is going to happen. You're real. This is weird. I wanted... I wanted to make... That'd be the best of you ever.

I wanted to turn... That's where I want to be. Make, you need to go to fucking cooking school before we make a show, man. You know what? I'm going to teach you how to do some... Fuck you. All right, what's up? I wanted to turn my... failure cartoon thing, Wonky, into something

actually worth talking. Is that a failure, man? I wanted to write it into something. No, he's kind of right. It was a failure. No, why you hate it so much? I wanted to write it into something. I love Corey and everything he's done, but Wonky is hands down. Why? Just reasons. Give a list. You made one guy. Bad voice acting, bad audio, bad everything.

That's funny. That's funny. It's funny. Someone backed me out. Bad audio. Versus your capabilities. Wonky? Really? That was fucking funny, dude. Listen, I wanted to write Wonky as like this naive fool who was just learning the human life from a perverted psychopath who knows nothing about life. Why don't you go pitches at the Pixar.

They would fucking love it, dude. Corey, you did pitch Wonky. No. Fucking, Hollywood. We were in the room with you. You pitched Wonky? To the fucking trip take lines. You pitched won't.

It was. I don't remember. I don't remember. I don't remember. I don't remember. I don't remember. You did. I must have been.

fucking hop in the piano. God, I forgot about that. I don't remember that. Corey. All right, wing man, wing man. What? He was really, what he was like, you were fucking psycho. He was like, you were like, you were a liar.

You were liar. You did. You absolutely did. What did I say? You were just telling people, okay, I will remember the exact plot. You said that Wonky was its own, like, dream world for kids or something, and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, right?

Yeah, okay. That sounds like nothing I would say. Why did I dude who he was fucking You said yes dude what you scared him away Coring? Was I fucking hopping on paint chips You got a blacklist from Hollywood I don't remember that

Cory you're a liar It did happen it did Zach was there Aaron was there Cairs Susie was there It's not getting cut, who cares That's not getting cut, that's funny

Alright wingman 2699 Fs Have you guys ever had any relationship problems if so please elaborate. We've got Stephen Valadicus says, what were some obstacles and hardships that you felt while pursuing something you were passionate about? Has anything come close to grinding things to a halt?

That time I hired a studio. And what helped you and what helped you or didn't help you overcome it. How time consuming it is. It's really time consuming. It's very tedious. If you were to do animation, if you would do, you know, comedy, it's something said. It's gonna be very time-consuming. I got swindled from Hollywood.

Chris, just say the fucking... Yeah, just do it. It's been... It's been... Listen, you can dig it up, but I got fucking screwed by a studio out of six grand. They told me they had to animate an episode of Leo Staten every week or two. It looked like... it looked like a fucking third year. It looks... It's horrible. It gave them a design sheet, and it was supposed to look like Leon Satan 3 and 4, which was decent.

I saw the episode. It looked so fucking... I swear... I saw the link. I swear... I swear they got an interesting. turn to do it. It was them in a field and like whatever angle they had on them, I've never seen that. But who was it was a slightly curved? It was so curved. It was, ugh. It was weird. It wasn't like a regular episode anyways, but they still fucked up the animation. I still think you should release it. Just for me, it's editing sleepy cast and then sleepy cabin going to a halt, everybody. And then not having any income. But if that's all folks, next question. All right, windmill punches asking what are your thoughts?

on tattoos. Cool, hot. How many is too many? You answer this, Vic. You answer this because you have a fucking sleepy cap and tattoo. I am the only person in this group that has a tattoo. I'm getting one. I'm getting a sleepy cap and tattoo. Yeah, well you... Do you regret the tattoo? Not at all. I wouldn't regret that. I actually... Go for me. You know what's funny about that? No, no, no. It's funny because it's one of those things that I forget that I have it and every single time I see it on me, I'm actually really fucking happy. I am. Are you motivated? What's that? Are you motivated? Are you inspired? It doesn't necessarily motivate me. It just, when I see it, I'm just happy to see it. I'm just, it makes me, it gives me a smile. There's a shocking amount of people with Sleepy Cabin Tets. There are.

There's actually, so far from Twitter. Well, it doesn't, I think, right? Well, there's at least eight, you know, at least eight people that have tweeted it. But the only reason is because the design is really good. Well, no, it's a great design. It's a good, it's a good, it's a good tattoo regardless of what it stays. Exactly. A skeleton key is just a fucking sexy, yes, fucking design.

And for me, I don't know, it's a very good design. And for me, I don't. And for me, I've already said this a hundred times, but, you know, people are like, well, what if someone got with sleep cab? It's just a reminder of a transition in my fucking life. Can I talk to Jeff for a second? And I'm really fucking happy that I have it, the end. What's that? What's the question?

What's the point now? Yeah. It's just that I know you never would. You know what? It's the problem. I don't think I could any kid it. I would never get a tattoo. I would never, you know what?

It's so funny. You know the longest time. Dude. Freak out and you're tired of it. I would have never ever. ever I was one of those people who was like I'm never gonna be a tattoo what the fuck would I ever commit to my body that I would ever actually want to put there and then when things happened in my life and things happened and I came to Philly I don't know I just this is if in fact if sleepy cabin dissolved tomorrow this would be even better and even cooler because it would be such a fucking reminder of something that it's a relic yeah all of a sudden it becomes that much more important there There's nothing that will ever make me regret this. I love it.

The end. Some, like, little homage to it on my half sleeve, but I wouldn't get the, like, the thing. She could tattoo my wiener on there. If, if I can, if you can get a tattoo that's less than a 2.8 inches, then I would probably do it. Sorry, it's like 18,000 inches. No, it costs less, you know. It's too little price to get a tattoo. I'm sorry.

And it's shaped in a courtschew. You should get a full-sized Mick Weiner on your pinky finger. Yeah, I'll get on my little. Hey, no, you should get half an antit tattoo to your dick, because that's all it fits. No, cause it's... Alright, we got Keith, you're freak. Wait, you mean you've got, we've got, Steve Rogers. We've got a half of Mick Weiner on my little, uh, nubs.

Keith, I-O-Rogers, asked, I get half of Mick Wiener, right? Guys, look at this. On your wart, we get it. Stop! Keith Rogers asks, can I visit Philly and crash with you guys? No. No.

Who are you? This is somewhat serious. question. Tell them the fuck up, seriously. Alright. Hey, boy, don't think he's a nice guy. Maybe he could stand my house. You'd be a great guy. And you know what? He probably ended up staying with us anyway, so shut up now. Yeah, tell him the fuck up though. Oh my god, Nile. Tell them the-in-Fenix. Iron Phoenix at, you were literally like Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde.

You were two different human beings now. All right, Iron Phoenix, if you all were to animate full-length films together, assuming all expenses are paid, or payable who among the sleepy cabin would be delegated as the director of that movie Chris oh really yeah why you're good director you can't you good director full stop you're good director yeah yeah a good knife rapist Chris O'Neill wait you were saying animation did he say animation no they did if you if you were all to animate a full-length film so I guess it's well animate So it's anime. I still say Chris, to some degree. He's very good at shots. He's very good at composition. Thanks. I think so. I think so. Thanks. I agree.

That's nice. He's nice legs. You guys. Yeah. All you gotta do... Next question, dude. All you gotta do is tan your albino legs and not be autistic and then we'd have a... Wow.

Alright, next. You don't want to talk with your fucking... God damn it, guys. You know what I'm joking. You asked for it, dude. You don't know what I'm joking. What's the next question? And the next question.

The box of shame. Shame asks if you had to relocate sleepy cabin to another state Anarctica Next question Anarctica is a state Besides Pennsylvania where would you like to go Texas Greenland Texas Because zero cup tax right? Yep Washington

Oh yeah and the temperature is fairly regulated like Force Gump lived in Fogne. What Alabama? I would totally live in his house in his house You know it's hot as shit. It's super... Hey, wait. Hawaii's a good place.

A little expensive, but it's alright. There's a volcano that's gonna fall on you though. Yeah, do your best Hawaiian impression. Um... Moving on. Amazing. That's the Middle East. The bounty hunter lives in Hawaii.

You know what's funny is that they have 18 words that rhyme with... Uh... That's like half of their fucking dictionary, to be honest. That was Syria. That was Iraq. Wait, isn't there like 35 fucking meanings to Aloha? No, you know, Alaska apparently... Oh, for snow, for snow, it's like... Alaska has 35...

But what is the word? What is the word? Does anyone know? Aloha means... Aloha means the friendship shows you have no feet. Deep within the sand of you. You've been a bad boy's... Nobody knows. Nobody knows the answer.

If there was a place to relocate, Hawaii sounds nice. Texas isn't bad. San Diego. Honestly, Texas would be the biggest one. I think Texas too. Aloha means... means, those to greet, it was like hello to those, those who greet, deep within the sand of heat. What the fuck?

Thank you fucking homework, dude. Get your-in-outher. I like your interpretation. I do, no, genuinely. That was a fucking clubbed by Ann with somebody for my birthday. What the hell's wrong with you? It was honestly not far off the sandland thing we said at the beginning. That was just one of those weird things you did. Yeah. Other than that, Pennsylvania, Texas. What are you looking at me like that for? It's a Quizler, Rale. San Diego, Hawaii.

Northville, California. They did say. another state otherwise I'd say Taiwan Taiwan is fucking amazing live in Taiwan I would absolutely they have the number one Chalice could have made him dude They're fucking they will

That would be the only down that would be only Downside is that you'd be like I'm a Taiwan and all of a Chia's like You're ours and then you'd be like Oh can we say it's a little That's like the part doesn't imagine this is uh

Hold on I thought I thought the Riddler was the Quisler I didn't that's like a shitty fucking like Like, Quizlers? That's like an adult swim parody. You're mad. The Quizler. But fact about Taiwan.

Need to be quizzed on the same. Taiwan says this is the real China. Yeah. The Chinese isn't the real China. I'm sure you know that. To do that. When I was in Taiwan just this summer, I went to a deli and they were like, how is your Chinese so good? And I was like, oh, my mom's from Taiwan, I'm half Chinese.

And all three ladies behind the counter, their faces went from like, oh, smiling at the foreigner who spoke Chinese to just like stone cold and they were like you're not half Chinese you're full you're half Taiwanese interesting and here I was like I was still handing money over the counter like I was like do people in Taiwan still beat themselves as Chinese is the real China no no well no they consider themselves Taiwanese absolutely no doubt yeah have you ever try to use his Chinese line thing on like women but hey I am Chinese To what for what purpose? I don't know.

I'm just curious. To what? To what better this. If there was an angle, there's an angle to it. Well, the problem is that, like, Chinese is not, like, Spanish. This doesn't really romantic about it. It always sounds like you're shouting for somebody. Well, it's...

Or French. It always sounds like you just shouting and yelling. Like, even the words like, I love you. Give it some good some Andrew. Listen, ladies, I have a Chinese dick. Yeah. Chicken tongue. Check out my Chinese ding dong is never a pickup line.

But say it in Chinese. No, but here, here's, I love you. Say it in Chinese. Here's I love you in Chinese. I love you. I mean. Yeah, there's nothing like what I do. So you can't even...

Okay, wait, wait. So you're gonna punch somebody. Okay, wait, say, I want to finger fuck you until you scream. Okay, uh, hold it. Okay. Uh, we have found my so, that need. I don't know some of these words. Okay, say, you... What do you need my voice changes?

It goes higher or something. Like, like... Okay, I'm gonna talk in Chinese. Okay, wait. I'm trying to figure this out, right? So say, I think you're a very pretty lady. You're very, wait, wait, wait. You're very, okay, so do I sound like an ignorant?

You're a pretty, okay, okay, speak as swably as you can. Yeah, you're, yeah. You see a very, is a very, is it. Do I sound like I'm saying it? Yeah, you were, you were just doing it. You were actually doing the tones, too. is a very beautiful Is that literally the words?

Or am I saying it weird to you? No, no. You said everything up and you said you were very pretty and then you stopped. Oh, no, no, no, no. No, no. You is a very beautiful You're a pretty young.

It's like this is like you sound like you're a little drunk but you're still speaking Chinese. Sweet dude. Yeah, it sounds like you're playing a fucking rlep at a reverse it. It's like you play a fucking rubek at a reverse. Yes. That's what it sounds like. All right.

Guys, Pion, Pion, Pion. Shut out. Piyon. That's our beautiful language. All right. We've got four more, bitches.

This is from our amazing patrons. Next we've got Paul Raymond. Commissions from companies or developers. Have any of you done one? How did you feel about it? and will Sleepy Cabin ever consider doing one? Commissions? Commissions from another company.

I would do recently. I would do it. I would do it. About a commission for, for, uh, uh, uh, uh,

commissions, do you mean jobs? Yes. Yes, would you do jobs? Be commissioned. To make money outside of this. I did one for Reggie watch. Well, gee.

Well, you know what? Some people think we make a whole lot of money being the group that we are. Okay. I'm just saying some people do think that. Well, I'm just gagging. And they're patron supporters of it. Are they talking about us doing, like, have we done individually before Sleepy Cabin?

No, I think what they're actually specifically saying is as Sleepy Cabin, would we be willing to do jobs? I'd be willing to do one. If it was like something we were within the group, right. Like, if we all cared about it and if, like, was, you know. Well, it's the reason why I think we haven't done like the, the Audible or the Lute crate shit, is because it's just, as a group, it's not something that we've been packing. we've been passionate. I really hate LooCrate, but I really just don't get the point. No, and I won't cut that out.

Okay, fine, it's good. Because I know we gotta cut some things out, but that I think that as a group, like while we may not necessarily hate the product or some of us do, as a group, it is not. I don't hate the product, I just don't care about it. No, I absolutely agree. No, I absolutely agree.

It's just not something as a group I fucking care about. Uber Nubonator says, I'm sure there's like a really good stuff inside. Corey, hey, if you can go anywhere, where in the world would you travel to you why? Japan. That's a great question. I'd like to go back to Japan even though I live there. I do want to go to Japan. I want to go to Japan? You want to go to Japan? But why? But why? Because I'm into their culture. I'm a big weeb. Being raised where I am and seeing like weibus or whatever people call them, I've really just, I've always been fascinated by Japanese culture. Because where we kind of like grow away from arcade machines. What's a weebu? It's a person who's like overly obsessed with like Japanese culture. So do you think? No, here's a thing. I'm kind of a slight weeb.

Because I like Godzilla and fucking... Well, we did that podcast with... What's his face? With Wully. And Wully was like this self-prescribed, like, Uber Weeb. Yeah. No, yeah, there's nothing wrong. Yeah, if you're down with Japanese stuff,

I don't see the problem. I fucking grew up in Asia. Everything I fucking love is Asian, I don't get to serve myself a weed. I'm saying in the sense with Weibo as a, not a derogatory statement, but as like, you know, a person who's really in a... That's why I said,

don't you use it in a derogatory fashion I don't use it. I don't use it as a baratuitous statement. I just say it like a person who's- I don't call people weaboos because I understand What is the exact translation of we-bo? Okay, a weebu was an insult to people who were like, I look anime, I love manga, I love like, you know, Godzilla and Ultraman and all this other just really Japanese shit

Where it's usually, well, it used to be kind of... It used to be, but we don't live in that age anymore But now it's just kind of like, yeah, I guess I'm kind of a weeb because I like Japanese culture. Like I would call myself, I would honestly say if I invested more time, I can definitely become a web. Absolutely, I had no problem saying that. It's like becoming a nerd. It's like not a big deal. But don't weaves like crack on other webs because they aren't as weeb as they are? If you want to crack on a weep because he's not like every nerd culture.

You're not really a nerd. If you want to be like you're not a nerd because I know the fucking square root of 400s like who cares faggot? I know like more game knowledge than you could ever know. It's like whatever you call a weave is a weep. But in my opinion like the whole culture of like weepology. Weebology. Weebology. coin we abolishy

coin this guy knows this guy knows oh my god I always found the it's happening I always found the fascinating that like they still watch they still read mangas manga's I don't want to get crucified and they still like do arcades and shit like it's still really popular there and that concept that they still like do that kind of stuff

and the different I've always been fascinating the different like just that culture and in general like I love the Japanese like fashion and style they have really cool fashion in Japan like Tokyo has an amazing I love like the styles and shape. It's beyond like... No, it ends up being like what we end up emulating later on. Beyond the fashion, beyond the games, and beyond like the arcades and stuff, I just...

I've always been really fascinated in the Japanese culture over... Because American culture, I like American, I like American culture. I'm not gonna say like I'm not an American. Well, American culture is such a hodgepodge of cultures. When you think about like Japanese culture, it's very homogenous. It's very isolated, very specific laser, crystalized, crystallized like American culture is is summed up like you buy a crock pot and you yeah exactly get in it hope that it works out yeah yeah and Japan has been very

faithful to making sure that what they present to the world has been very much like representative of their country it's just cool that you can be like on a train to Japan and you'll pass under a statue of a giant robot it's like I'm all about that that idea is awesome to me because in America we're too busy we're worried about like the stuff that like gun down statues and guns statue. Yeah, the gun... You wouldn't go through fucking New York and see a giant Gundam statue on it.

My favorite... One of my favorite stories, as far as like geek culture is concerned, is I went to one of the Sega, one of the Sega arcades and there was, um, House of the Dead. Oh, that's cool, dude. And there were these guys, there was this one guy, sorry, specifically one guy, long hair, and he was playing House of the Dead and he did it with like... It looked like he wasn't even looking at the screen. Was that his name?

Long hair! Yeah, long hair, no. That would be a Chinese name, but he was... name but he was like he was at the the Sega arcade and he played House of the Dead and he looked like he wasn't even looking at the screen but he was playing two players with both guns and he did this thing where he was just like almost like doing a dance while he was playing and you know what he was like bappababhams that fascinates me no it looked like a guncata thing and he was doing headshot

headshot head shot head shot head shot head now to be fair I didn't even know in House of the Dead that you could do like a straight up headshot kill kill. Like I knew that that helped, but I didn't know that, like, if you only did headshots in house of the dead, that would actually, like, you know, and you know what? That absolutely fascinates me. Yeah. The concept of that. I would never think of that. And, it was like a very normal cultural life. People are, these people who get together and do DDR sessions and like these fucking Japanese, like, arcades. It's like an evil tournament. Everyone's lined up and fucking cheering these people. That's exactly what it was like. I mean,

back then watching somebody in like a crowd playing a video game felt a little awkward. Yeah. But now, that we have like Twitter and this isn't you know before the 2000s so now watching people play video games in a fucking huge room is normal and celebrated but when I was doing it it felt a little awkward so it is kind of interesting how things have fucking changed since then so next question we've got and we're getting close fellers this is from super slum if you could run your own convention what would be the first thing you do what what I mean what's out tities up fucking check everywhere you got a fuck what you do dude okay you're running a convention

first thing you do dark room dark room everyone gets naked and fucks each other no you promote ourselves no see that's like a huge auditorium no huge auditorium okay small ball pit absolutely small wait isn't this like that one con that failed really hard about something that exists. Yeah, no, yeah. A thousand bucks you get a... You get a wallow in people's urine.

He's pissed all over the fucking balls. Yeah. Cache Cod, there we go. Sleepy Cash Cush. No, really. We run a con. If we ran a con, what would be the first thing you would do running a con? Scary dark forest with owls.

People walk through a forest and see all these scary owls. Fuck you boys. Dude, let's just get a huge room and release like 50 million owls into it. It's a good idea, dude. You never see the video like, they were like, they were like, they were like, they released the fucking, they released the ego to fucking smash it. Yeah.

It'll be like that. See, that's a good cringe video. You're fucking, fucking, dying. Trying to escape fucking, fucking,

with these, fucking, like, stock sound effects that you buy, like, chains from, like, old to 80s, and there's fucking, like, Oils crush them.

We'll have your, fucking, we'll have your can narration playing all the time, over and over. Yeah, just repeating. Why do you guys? It's right.

And it's right. scream and die. I don't know about these motherfuckers answer. It's like trying to base. It's just like bricking the speakers. Not only your fucking ears hurting are just... Let's paint the L's purple too. You know what I would do if I ran a convention? I would create a map where

if there was a thing you needed to see or wanted to see, you'd actually be able to find it. Wow, that's a good idea. Because I know, right? Because I feel like we've gone to some conventions where people like almost hide the rooms that people are supposed to go to in these very

like fucking Sisyphian Mases. Do they have these fucking like Metroidvania bullshit like you can tell? Oh I know. It's like six fucking rooms about what you're supposed to go on. And then it's a big surprise that people don't fucking figure it out. Yeah it's like oh I didn't know this is that room

so anyways yeah if I ran a convention number one make a fucking map that people can actually follow they don't have to download the app and fucking have a degree in fucking physics. All right next this oh wow this is the next and last Patreon question fellas.

You guys ready? Yeah. This is from Rodolfo Davis Millet. What's the most fucked up thing you've convinced someone to do? Hmm. Convinced somebody to do? With my friends. Star Sleapy Camp.

In fifth grade. In fifth grade. Hey-oh. Wait, that wasn't me. We convinced the kid to get dead flies off the window sill. windowsill. Did you really? Not me, but a couple people... Balls are fucking sore, dude. Oh, Jesus. Cool. No. Somebody convinced you that your balls were sore? No, no, keep going.

I convinced the kid, or a group of my friends, convinced the kid that putting pee water on his face would enhance his, like, like, get rid of his, like, um... Acne? No, not acne. His face? Like, fixes, like, um... Ugly? I guess he thought he had stretch marks on his face, so, we said, like... As a kid? Putting boy pee on your face would enhance the... speed of boy pee. So when I was 14 years old, I didn't convince someone to do this, but somebody convinced me, this is in a classroom. This is not even like in the cafeteria or outside of class, in a classroom before the class started. Some students convinced me, and this is how

big a loser I was, that if I squeezed lemon juice into my eyes, it tickled. What did you figure out? Did it hurt? I figured out... My dad figured out... That it was the lie. My dad convinced me when I was about 10 years old that if you put a huge square battery that'll tickle too.

What? Yes. He was very happy to see that it fucking electrocuted me. Oh my fucking... Zach, what? What is called? What's the actual name for those huge... What a...

Yeah. Oh, the ones with the two... The big square ones. They have two... Yeah, they have the positive... The lightbo's a level bad one. He said if you put that to your tall, it'll tickle. And I fucking screwed the crowd when I was 10 years old, my dad.

My dad didn't really convince me, but when I was putting tar on a wall to lay down, like, as you do, I just love it on that story. Completely serious. I was serious. Oh, Corey. Hot tar on a wall. I got stuff on my finger. And I'm like, I'm like, dad, how do I clean this off?

He's like, you can't. He's like, it's going to fucking burn through your skin and touch your bone. And I was freaking out. Like, I was crying as a kid. He's like, don't worry. I was lying. But that was after I was washing my hands. crying. Like he came in laughing and he put his hand on my show. What? Corey, Corey, are you serious? You know what? This is the last question, but we're here and this is the season finale. So I think there's a question that a lot of people need answers to. I haven't asked for this, but... Is your dad still alive? Yeah, he's in Florida with his question. Does he know about the sleepy cast? No. Is he real? Yeah, he's 100% real. Because there are so many stories about your dad that just blow my god damn

I talk to Jeff about this. Everybody asks, it's like, it's like a fucking insane. Like, my dad is like this crazy. Yeah, his dad's not that weird. He's just, if you listen to the podcast he is. He just like, fucking with me when I was younger and like acting like a child.

He fucking made you buried tires. He fucking locked you in a basement. Look, people are weird. If you understand human nature, his dad's not that fucking strange. Really what it comes down to is my dad was just sort of a child. If you You want to know the honest truth, my dad's father died when he was 13.

So he didn't really know how to be a father when he was 13. And not to mention his mom. He didn't have you with her. Yeah, no. His mom gave him everything he ever wanted. If he, if his room was dirty, she would clean it up. He had no idea of the concept. What age was he when he had you, Corey?

He was like, I don't know, like he was 40 something. Oh. Maybe 30. Hell, so he grew up like a coddled faggot and like everything was kind of handy. Exactly. Everything was handed to him. He became very narcissistic. So the concept of a kid was just like he would keep him around and love him, but he would also fuck with him. And his idea of fucking with him was just like, you know, as if it was like a college kid, he was just fucking with when he was like eight. Cory, do you want kids?

No. Well, maybe when I'm older. You don't want to repeat the same process. I don't. I don't want to teach my kids to be like, hey. What would you teach your kids? I'd stick your head. Cory, Corey, what did you teach your kids? What is the top three lessons you would teach you? your son if you had a son right now. Three lessons. The three things they need to know, Corey.

Your kid. Your kid. Sex? Like porn and the concept of that, I would teach him porn at a young age. I don't care if it's bad, chum. That's what it's always out in my life. Number two. Number two, I would teach him about the difference between reaching for something and working for something. Number two, teach your kid how to make spaghetti, man. If you know how to make spaghetti, you know how to do a million fucking things. three, I would teach him basic living advice, like how to wash your clothes and fold it, and how to cook food with something I never fucking learned. 4, 5, 6, 7, 8. You can't do that.

You could teach a kid basic living knowledge is. Okay. And then I would encourage him to influence him in the porn stuff. And then when he draws porn pictures at school. So the number one is sex, and the last one is you would encourage him in porn. Yeah. If he, if he drew people fucking at school, I would be like, was it hot? And then if they said, no, I would beat his fucking ass.

I'd be, get on that, motherfucker. You have an audience now. You would beat your son because he's not drawn hot enough porn at a young age. Look at these tinnies. Look at these tithies. I support your decisions, Corey. Can I be Uncle Stamper? Always, dude.

Yes, dude. Yes. I'd be like, those tities look a ray drops. Cross his face. And I'll be like, listen, I know your dad can be a little tough sometimes, but they have to hang off the shoulder like tear drops, asshole, and I'll smack the shit out of it. Man, I'd be a bad parent.

Listen, if I was a bad right now, I'd be like, eat your vegetables, go to bed on time, and then I go to bed. All you have to do is feed them and make sure they don't die. Next question. All right, that's it. That's it.

Whoa, dude. Ladies and gentlemen, we've gotten through the Patreon questions. Oh, what do we have next? We slayed them, bitch. Ready, Q&A. Yeah. Yeah. Red and Kuhlidh.

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Here today we have a very special guest with us He's renowned for many of his accomplishments On the internet And in the bedroom Yes, it is Zach Brabz. Zaghan, everybody. Woo! I was going to see a Braffster.

We call Brabster on here, boys. Called Brabster, dude, he's the brapster around this place, dude. Wait, who's Zach Braff, actually? Exactly. Instead, we've got with us, Tom, Tom Flippin'Fold. Tom Pol. Welcome to the podcast, Tom.

Welcome. Gov cup, go, fuck, Joe. Thanks. For those of you who don't know, Tom Fulp is the president and CEO of Newgrounds.com. If you aren't familiar with Newgrounds.com, you... You're not missing much. Hey!

Damn, dude, damn! That's too real, dude, damn! So what's going on, Tom? Not much. All right, Tom. Let's get into it. I like how you're looking around. You're like looking around for an exit strategy. You've got yourself.

your wife and me. You have to fuck one, marry one, kill one. Go. Tom, how big's your dick? What's your poop smell like? Tom. Tom, how big is your poop? What's your shit smell like? Come on, Tom. Come on, Tom. Come on, Tom. Answer Tom. It's kind of loose. Which one?

Yeah, hold on. Tom, are you available for other parties? Tom, your handsome good looks aren't going to translate on the podcast. I mean, to hear your handsome good ones. Well, here, I'll ask you guys some questions. How about that? He's flipping that shit.

He's flipping that shit. So how's everything going with the sleepy cast? It's ending we're all in a horrible tournament. Terrible. Holy shit. I hate everyone's guts. It's me. There you.

Next question. Oh, yeah. How's Newgrounds going, Tom? What has that going? Newgrounds is going fine? He said that. You're shifting up. He's twiddling his thumbs and looking around the room.

It's like we kidnapped him. Oh, yeah, you were also, you also, you were responsible for Castle Crashers as well. Yes. Whoa. Yes, I was the lead programmer of Castle Crashers. Very proud. Very proud moment of my life.

I'm proud of that. Don't bust your arm. What about Alien Homon? What did you have to do with Alien Omin? That was also a lead program of Alien Hominid. All right, I have a question. with the whole process of alien hominide hominide

You said hominid twice You said homin You just have heard what exactly Like hominid Homanin What is a hominid What is it like to do that? It's a, is it like a humanoid

Is it alien hominide? I was never on board with that name I always thought it was stupid I always thought Alien hominid Really man What's a better name? What's a better name?

What are you named it? Yellow alien Ever calls an alien humanoid? Yellow alien, dude I would have called it It's still a shitty name, but it's a damn side better. What the hell is a hominid? I thought it was hominide.

Someone was flipping through the... Like homicide. Homicide. I think it's like a bit of a humanoid creature. Yeah, I think Jeff got it. Look, this is what it is. The alien heard the word humanoid. He went, I'm a hominid.

And that's all it is. It's true. Where did the name come from, Tom? Do you know? There is a story. Dan woke up one morning with a really bad headache. And he told his then girlfriend, I feel like a...

an alien hominid bit my head off. Who the hell says that? I thought you were to say something pretty dark. He woke up and told his girlfriend, I want to break up with you. No, no. And then she said, what does an alien hominid look like? And he then he drew it. So he made up the word? No, hominid is a word.

The word exists. He combined it, I guess, with alien. Would you like to cover any other game development stories? I'm curious, because you have all the spicy deeds, Slifred. Yeah, you know what, Tom? We always see is the results of all your guys's hard work

here. We see the success of the games you guys have made. What are the horror stories? What's the shit that like almost killed you all while you were making these games? I remember watching him programed at the very end of Castle Crashers. I think Tom, I think Tom's gratefully didn't have a gun on his desk.

Well yeah, that is like he was very upset. He looked very tired. Because he's running like two full-time jobs basically. The final year of Castle Crashers was a year of non-stop work around the clock. Jesus. And it's interesting, because it's like,

you kind of feel like as you're getting older, it's like, can I still do that? And then every once in a while you have a period where you remind yourself that you can. Were you married during that time? I got married towards the end. Or yeah, yeah. That's pretty shitty planning on your.

Yeah, that's on the gun. But then didn't have kids until afterwards, so that worked out. That was well planned. Was this alien hominette or castle? Castle Crashers. Oh, okay. Yeah, Alien Hamid was like a cakewalk compared to Castle Crashers

because Alien Homit seemed stressful at the time because, like, at that time I was also like always canceling plans with anyone that wanted to do stuff and whatever, but I was still, you know, it wasn't as all-encompassing and took 15 months. Sorry. You also have to juggle QC and handle all the other shit at the end. Yeah, Cloudy.

I always saw an alien. Dealing with publishers. I'm afraid to say the name now. Alien album. How many? How many? Alien Holman allowed. I always thought Alien Hominated

Um You fucked it up You didn't see it up Did I? I always thought It was kind of a game Like when I first played it It was kind of a game

That was kind of made as you went Like because you start like Seeing like the first level How it's coded Then you start like seeing Because it gets fucking crazy With bosses and like levels And shit

You're just like Because you don't really know What's going on Like because you're an alien That's attacking But like There was so many different bosses And stuff

Is that what happened Was that the kind of process Like as you learn newer things and implemented them? That's been the way all of them have been basically is just build as you go. I mean, that's good because you learn new things and then you can go back and change it. Like there's always that.

Well, actually, there used to be that guilt of not having like a design doc because everyone says you're supposed to have a design dock where you plan it all out ahead of time. Well, even shitty games have a design. Yeah, so much changes as you go though and you sort of you realize that you're going to keep having ideas

and keep wanting to change things. So it seems like it's working. Do you think in hindsight you'd make Alien Hamlet it easier? Yes. Because this town is a very hard game. Yeah. The biggest regret, besides it being hard in general, the biggest regret is that the second level is so hard.

Yeah. Like the freeway level. Compared to the other ones. And it's funny because there's some levels that have really cheap deaths, but the freeway level I can play without dying. So it actually isn't like a cheap death level compared to some of the others, but most people use up all their lives on the freeway level. You just have to get good at it, like that battle toad's thing. Okay, you know what? No, fuck that level.

You're talking about the speech? racing with the fuck no dude that those things came so quick trying to time that at times was virtually fucking impossible I mean in theory like that was that randomized that I don't think it was randomized I don't think it was I just didn't matter because of the the spacing of them it wasn't like you could just like oh I know this it's like it was still a ninja samurai level they threw curve balls because at that part you're going like back and forth back and then it's kind of like a rhythm but then like suddenly there's two there two there

and then like does it again there's two there like it kind of tries to fuck And then there were somewhere, I think I don't remember 100%, but I'm pretty sure there was somewhere like you had to jump over a pit, but you had the time to jump right, because right when you got to the other side, there would have been like another thing waiting for you or something. Like another ramp to jump? Yeah, I just remember it was fucking tough.

That was a third level. Fuck the battle told you anyways. Moving on. Here's a question. Tom, what are your inspirate? What games were your inspirations growing up to like influence your game development career? The biggest ongoing influence is,

treasure. So they made Gunstar heroes, Guardian Heroes, Radiant Silver Gun were like the big ones that really inspire like game feel for me and they had good music and good stuff. Yeah, everything was cool in those games. And I was able to beat them all too. Like I, it's funny like considering Alien Hominit's so hard because I hated hard games growing up. So I liked that I could beat all of the games. Was that like your. No, I think it just didn't know any better. Like I thought it had to be. I thought like it was supposed to be hard. Like it's hadn't stepped out of mindset the treasure doesn't exist anymore right no they're still around you try to draw parallel there follow in their footsteps what's what's a good game to you what makes a good game what do you seek out to do besides like fun obviously what to

what do you what do you what do you think a good game needs to have oh yeah well that's a well okay I'll just look at what I enjoyed like recently like Super Mario 3d world on the Wii u there's a there's a video on YouTube that kind of gets into how they do it where pretty much every level has a unique toy or theme and at the start of the level you get introduced to the theme in a safe way where you can't get hurt while you learn it and then next they have you do the theme with a challenge involved yeah and then for the third phase they put a twist on it yeah and change it up and the whole game's like that interesting and it feels it's so well polished where like sometimes I think of it more like a physical toy than a game

because it never reminds me that it's a game because it's so perfectly done. Yeah, video is Matthew Motosis. He made that video in Mathematosis. Yeah, I saw that one as well. He's good. And then that Captain Toad Treasure Tracker was the same way where, like,

each level is just this fun little puzzle box where you almost feel like you're playing with a toy in your hands for some reason. The view thing in that, though, is obnoxious. It can be a little weird. obscure the view and gyro controls. What's a game you hate it, Tom? What's a game everyone liked,

and you hated it. Well, the original Mario, but more more people do come out of the woodwork admitting they hated the original Mario, but I didn't like the original Mario. I tried playing that fucking game again on the Mario remake, like the Nintendo are you really gonna shit on Mario Brothers?

Hold on, hold on. I'm gonna stay and say I like it. I'm shitting. This is a great mean. Hold on, hold on, hold on. I'm not shitting on Mario Brothers. It fucking came and it landed. It fucking revolutionized video games

all over again after the crash of the video game market or whatever the fuck. But in our day and age, that game is a clunky mess. Like, playing the Ness, like, remix and stuff, you realize how fucking floaty your jumps are. Like, when you jump, your fucking, your momentum is still going. What's the Nes Remix? I haven't heard of this. It's actually a really cool concept where it lets you play old Ness games, and they kind of put a challenge.

In a very artistic way. And it's really fucking difficult. Like, sometimes it's really easy, like, oh, collect three coins. And then it's like, oh, fucking, what do you call it? where you like... Basically, it's like if you were eating cereal, like, with marshmallows, and, like, all of a sudden, one of the games was, only eat blue marshmallows.

And you sat there like an idiot staring into a bowl of cereal looking for blue marshmallows. Congratulations, you won. Yeah, and if you get it, you have a time thing and the stars. So you want to get the best stars to get the best time. But sometimes they're like, hey, exploited glitch in our game. We didn't fucking fix because we didn't know about it at the time, but everyone else knows about it. Now we know about it because of the internet.

And you're like, excuse me? I don't know how to do this and then it's like, oh, too bad, you don't get any stars. Hold on. Why do you hit Mario Bros? Wait, I want to know what are the reasons you would hate? Same way. With Mario, I just...

They said the original, like three still holds up. It was hard, and, yeah, like three. I like two a lot. I like two and I like three. And two and world are the best in my opinion. I think two is garbage. Something about the first one just never. It wasn't originally a Mario game.

It doesn't matter. It's still good. It's still way better than the first one. Did you guys ever play Bayou Billy? Oh, yeah. I remember that. So Bio Billy was like, the first level was a brawler, but it also had like driving levels and stuff. And the graphics were pretty good and I was really excited about it.

But the first level was like this really long, slow level where the enemies, like there's this like, I think it was like a guy in like a wetsuit that came out of the water that took forever to kill. And the whole level was just like this slow slog. And most of the time you never beat the first level. And I remember this one afternoon, Wade beat the first level and then played through like all these. There's like this whole game after the first level that he was able to play through. after that. But I think it was just like that one afternoon and I've never seen anything but the first level. Was that one of the accomplishments

that he holds dear to his heart? Wade always was better. He was more he persevered with the games more. I liked, I liked seeing the details of the game and everything. So you still haven't explained why you didn't like Mario. Yeah, I think in general I don't like when you die

and have to repeat a bunch of crap. That's like the best part of a game. Okay, also you can just hold select and then start again, or was it select an A or just whatever it was and you could literally restart it the world. Do you mean like start from the beginning, from the whole game, or you just don't like dying and run out lives and snap the, you'd run out all your lives. Everyone's talking about, doesn't every podcast talk about Mario though?

I don't know. Let's talk about it. All right. We're talking about game design, but yeah. I say, I like Mario. I wouldn't say that I love it. I mean, I got good memories. I love part three.

I want to know, I want to know as a game developer and owner of Newgrounds, what's the most rock star moment you've had i mean i'm talking like you dropped off in l.a you were at a club do i see the videos this guy i see the videos this guy doing coke off those hookers yeah i want to know what's the most rock star moment that you're a rock star moment yeah and if it's too intense we'll we'll bleep out some details i saw tom do coke off his own dick that's hot no yeah it's would you consider that a rock star moment oh yeah i don't know if i really had a serious rock star moment he's in the middle of the dance He hired to bounce. We had that party to dressing alien habit

just go around them. We had that party at the Trocadero once. All right. And Shock and I performed, like, FDA live on stage. And then these girls came up and took off their shirts and had Newground stickers on their boobs. Did they really? Yeah, so that was, like pretty interesting.

I like how you say bobs. On their boobs. But, um, that's awesome. Ha. But yeah, no, I, I don't know. Just a few times that I've been recognized by people, Like, if I'm with someone who doesn't, like, let's say I'm with one of April's friends, husbands or boyfriends somewhere, and someone recognizes me that it's, like, really surreal because I'm not like, no, I don't, no one knows that I do anything that anyone cares about. I've been there.

I've seen kids recognize Tom, I know, and I'm just like. Can I can I build up? It really doesn't happen much. Like that one kid who recognized you from across the street and he ran over to you to get your autograph and hit by your car. We were just eating. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Can I build up a question, Mick.

Can I ask you, who's the most. famous person you met because of New Browns? Like, what's the furthest you've gotten All right, so, because I won an award for, there's the Flash Forward Conference and it was in, it was the Hammerstein Ballroom in New York and I won

the award for Best Flash Games and I got to shake hands with Chuck D. on stage. Who? Chuck D. from Public Enemy. Oh. Who? I don't actually know. So anyway, what is he getting

flash forward? I don't know. He must have been into Flash at the time. Didn't the guys from the room, like, fly you guys out and blow you all or something? No, no, I talked to... Yeah, Jeff was there. Can I... Oh, man.

I don't want to... I don't know that this is about Tom, but I... This is a story I could definitely tell. Yes. Jeff's a weird third wheel, this whole... Tom... Tom's a talk into a...

Greg... Greg Stera, who played... What was his... Mark in their room? And these two were became kind of buds on Facebook. Mark, you know, Mark was like Ever since Mark Sorry, Greg, Greg Mark

Ever since there, Tom and I made the room game And ever since he played the game I guess he's been like a super fan of Tom's And, you know, they've got chatting And he's like, hey Tom Wait, he made the end, you were a huge part of that, right? Exactly. Chris made me music for him.

You did everything that you see. I did the art. Tom transcribed the entire fucking movie From, and then filled in all the plot holes. himself. Tom just took it to find him to fill in all the plot holes. What do you mean when you walk in on like Denny jerking off?

Yeah, like there's the part where the character disappears mid-movie. Tom came up to there. There's a lot of stuff in the movie that doesn't really follow a proper order. So you have to tie it all together. And also you have to... It's like jumbled teeth. Like if you're seeing everything through Johnny's perspective, then you have to fill in the parts where other...

Yeah. That Johnny wasn't part of and tell the story where Johnny wasn't in the scene. You need to find the way to have that story coming to Johnny's life. You put more fucking effort To Tommy was like... You figured out how many days there were in the movie, how many days passed? Because like when they play the game

and like, hey, he sleeps every night, Tom actually figured that out. Every technical day in the movie that passes. You end the story arc for Claudette's breast cancer or no? Oh, no, yeah, that's probably the one thing we didn't touch on. She did D.C.L.C. So what happened? So what happened? So what happened?

Well, yeah, Greg. Greg invited Tom down to Philly. He's like, I'm doing a scripted and I'm doing a book signing and you know it's a whole thing they so Tom's like hey you just want to go along and I'm like yeah sure so we went down to this uh there's uh event with Greg and he's on stage and you know it was pretty cool it was like he showed a bunch of behind-the-scenes video interviews he showed Tommy Wiseau uh doing these weird commercials from back before he did the room now is this like banquet hall event or is this like back of the bar they cleared out some tables I don't know what you'd call

it was actually a morgue that had been converted into like a vent space. It had a balcony. It was a cool space. Was it quaint? Not too quaint. It was packed, though. It was packed with super room fans.

Were they all dressed as the characters and stuff? Do they all have their fucking plastics? They invited people up on stage to readings. And a lot of them nailed it, really, honestly. Nice. They all just, they did the voices. Everybody was like flamboyant, enthusiastic about it. Everybody was having a fucking ball.

In other words, it was hell for you. No, no, I liked it. Because, you know, I like the, I got obsessed with the movie after Happy Harry showed it to us. And that's why we made the fucking game. Right. So the whole event went pretty swimmingly. And, you know, at the end, you know, when Greg's like, all right, I'm going to do my, I'm going to do my book signing. And Tom and I get in line.

And keep in mind, this is like the first time in my life I've ever asked for an autograph from fucking anybody. Did you really want it or were you just being polite? I was like, I wanted the book. I wanted to read the book, so I'm like... You might as well just say. I felt awkward about it. I felt awkward. I'm like, I don't know how I'm going to handle this

because I've never asked anybody for an autograph before. And, you know, Tom, I guess Tom goes first, I think, because, you know, those two are chatting it up about, like, but instant best friends are taking pictures together. I mean, I don't have to say. I'm like, hey, man, I wish everybody could have a friendship like this between Tom and Greg. And he's like, hey man, he's like, you know, he's like asking, he's like, come, come to Hollywood when we make the movie.

This is before this was even public knowledge, he's like, hey man, we're making a movie and you're invited. I didn't get invited to the movie. I was hoping. I was hoping. No, I didn't get invited to the premiere. I'm hoping. Right. It still happened.

If the movie gets made. My dream is getting invited to the premiere. So, the whole time I felt like his weird dickhead, like on the sidelines or. You guys are fucking nerds. No. So I grabbed the book. They gave me a book. And I'm like, oh, boy, here we go.

And I go up and I'm like, hey, Greg. He's going. And I shake his hand. And I'm like, hey, man, I'm a fan. You know, I don't know what to say. And then he opens the book and the book was already pre-signed. It was pre-signed. So I'm like, he's like, I guess I'll just sign it again.

It's like, it's like. Wait, where did you get the book to begin with? They had a pile there that they were. were just giving everybody in line to like go up get signed by Greg but I guess there was a pile that was pre-signed I don't know what they were doing with those yeah once I was fine sure I was going through the airport of Philly and I bought that book and it was pre-signed yeah it's weird I don't know you think it was really signed yeah no it's signed like it's signed like did you read it

I love that book yeah I still gotta read it actually yeah the disaster artist I read it in like two days I'm really excited for the movie I hope they don't do a lazy job on it James Franco has like Tommy's droopy eye and shit yeah wait they're actually doing a movie yeah and Seth Rogen and her just helping produce Oh yeah No no no I think I saw

I think I heard about that Really I have no I have no idea He was really gonna look like Tommy's oh yeah I had no idea of fucking it was another James Franco project I thought it was just like some Other people who just took the reins He did mention the game in the book right? Yeah he just mentions and he said thanks Jeff

For that awesome artwork He puts your face out in text Neither of our names are mentioned He wrote them for a forgotten Although there was um There was a documentary coming out about the room and they came over to interview beat and you didn't want to be in that.

That's true. So see, sometimes, yeah, you just got a... I know. I'm guilty. You're going to get Jack Kirbyed if you sideline yourself too much. I'm good at sidelining myself. So meanwhile, while you were getting your book double signed, Tom was out having sushi and Mogheritas. I was taking pictures of these two. He's those awkward moments like, hey, hey, hey, can you take a picture of us the whole time? I don't know who, I don't know who was more infatuated with who.

Who posted more Facebook photos of the other Greg really wanted to meet Tom All I know is that I don't think Greg posted the Facebook I posted a picture Just to say too like all the cast members A lot of the cast members played through the game Denny

Is Lisa liked it Nice I think Lisa I don't know We didn't treat Lisa very well in the game You were like a fucking troll With a troll with like these like My fault It's like carved

I love that like you get very little credit when it comes to the success of it or how funny it is, but for anything that they don't like, it would just drop on your shoulders. When I was doing the music for that, I was on a fucking shitty, like, Windows XP in my mom's utility room. Well, you nailed it. So I said to Chris, I'm like, listen, I want the soundtrack from this movie The Room, but as, like, a Pokemon theme, I didn't know what the hell we were going to get back.

And Chris fucking, like, nailed it. It was just like perfect. Yeah, Ari, or Harry Percher's had a little tiny bit at the end, too. you can help me with it did it? Yeah yeah I mean shout out to Harry It's actually

Catchy It's actually a really good Like battle theme Yeah it was cool That was good times Yeah That was my first new grands collab Hold proper one

And that looked how ugly you were Yeah it was fine What was the worst thing You were invited to? Wow You've got to You're like sorting through them right now Like you flew out there

Big's birthday party Well I guess In terms of like, you're making an effort for something, like we did a Newgrounds booth at Wizard World in Philly. Okay. And that's a legit event. It's gotten big now. Yeah. And I think they even took on like a Comic-Con name.

Everyone names, everyone renames their convention Comic-Con because no one owns that. Yeah. So when you hear that there's Comic-Con in your town, it's not actually the same event as what's in San Diego. It's just that anyone can call their event Comic-Con. Oh. But when we went, it was like, I think it was actually their lowest year. I think they'd actually been in decline before they had like an upswing. And, you know, we set up a booth and it was just like, I don't know.

This is the worst thing. It was like the emptiest... It wasn't that bad. But as far as, you know, going out to do something. I was hoping, like, you know, you went there and it was like just a dark room and they kidnapped you. I would suspect, like, getting paid to go out there. They're like, oh, we've got a place set up for you. And then you come out there, like, it's a long flight, like 12 hours.

And then you go there and just completely pointless. Yeah, I mean, all that, all the conventions I've gone to have all worked. Like, everything I've flown to, I'd say, has worked out well. You've been to a lot of conventions. Sorry. You've had a lot of good things from New Orleans. What's the worst thing that's come from New Orleans? Like, what's a bad situation, legal trouble, a fight?

What's the worst thing that come? May I make a suggestion? I don't know. I do, can I say, I do recall very, very big, like, you guys have had some legal rallies, like, with your gears of war cartoons and stuff? That wasn't that bad. So, so, so, so, okay, what's the worst of them? A lot of stuff.

Okay, a lot of stuff is like ceasing to cease and desist. what's a real nightmare if you have a website is things involving use of pictures that you know other people's pictures if they have like a copyright lawyer so we had an instance where we had some clip art on the site that was from corbus and so they did basically came at us and did my bad and they did the $10,000 shakedown and and basically they went $10,000 then you talk to lawyers and the lawyers are like it's actually We didn't use them I mean I'm manipulated them

I mean they were changed Yeah What the fuck is Corbus? They're a company that owns Lots of they own they represent lots of Photographers yeah Oh okay What is there's like three 100 by 100 pixel

Completely here's the word Match here's the same thing A dude reading a newspaper Here's bullshit here's the worst part of it It was part of NG MAG and we no longer even linked to it it was officially dead because we wanted to redo it at some point, but it was officially dead. We weren't linking to it anymore. It could have just been deleted at any moment and because we didn't

delete it, they ended up finding it and then and then sending this thing. So you talk to the lawyers and they're like, it's really hard to win against someone that owns a photo. Like, there's not really any sympathy in court for that. So, you know, you're going to have to spend piece of my money. So, so then the lawyers go back and forth and then they get it knocked down to like 7,000. Meanwhile, are you paying these lawyers to do that? You, you usually. You, you, you As soon as you involve lawyers, you'll spend just as much or more when it's all done. So the only real reason to involve lawyers is if you don't want to give someone else a satisfaction of getting the money and then you essentially give it to the lawyers instead. Could you have just bought the pictures?

No, because once they catch you, then it's... They want the big payday. They're similar, I don't know if I'm actually legally allowed to say this because I think we had to sign something, but Master File, they're notorious for that. And I did some research on them while they were trying to sue us. and essentially what I discovered was is because stock photos are becoming, there's just more and more places to get free resources. So these stock photo sites that are used to these exorbitant amounts for the rates that they would charge to like a major magazine, like a Fortune 500 company magazine or whatever, they end up spending less time gathering images and doing anything like back end like making sure the site runs and all that. And they actually spend more resources in time going to court with people. Like that's actually where a huge chunk of their money comes from because it's not coming from images anymore

And so they'll just take people to court and they'll try I mean they will that's the thing like you said $10,000 It's like they will just drop these huge numbers on you and what ends up happening is they try to act like they're doing you a favor by being like fine fine 3,000 using that image they all they said it artificially high to Haggerty does exactly yeah It wasn't malicious or anything they were completely harmless it's been and then they just came after us it's ridiculous We can... Sorry, go ahead. Well, I was going to say there's another case where it was a game that we sponsored. I was going to bring that out.

Yeah, I won't name names, but they had used a photo. The main character in the game was the photo. But not in the game, just the title screen. Was it that shark game? Oh, right, and that was said too much. Oh, anyway. We'll cut that. We'll cut that.

Start that last sentence. Just do it again. Sorry. Yeah, so there's Ben Casey's. So, yeah, this. So one example was a game that we sponsored where his title screen used an image. that was owned by somebody. And that was an interesting one

because as a sponsor, you're kind of off the hook because you can be like, oh, we just advertise ourselves on this game. But you're a good guy. But I'm a good guy, yeah. So I took care of, I actually paid their... You took the hit for that one.

Yeah, I took the hit. And I bought the license. That was an expensive one. What was the hit? $10,000. Oh, Jesus. And then I bought the license so that it wouldn't have any problems

moving forward. But, because I figured he's going to start finding it on other websites or whatever. Even if you edit the new. grounds version it's going to end up being everywhere yeah but um and then similar to that is the patent troll companies that try to you know they accumulate patents and their whole business is accumulating patents and then just suing people right getting licensing fees right so we were some sneaky shit too yeah that's the same

thing is it's not the same thing in a smaller version of that is those people who sit on websites they just buy up all these different website names and then if you want something if you're a company they'll if you're large enough company they'll be like we won a million dollars for this. And do it's weird to, maybe Tom, could you see, you can mention this.

You mentioned it to the one, the one patent troll website you went to? How about it's like, these people, like they're smiling, and it's almost like they're proud of this. Yeah, a lot of them, they, well, here's,

I'll tell you all about some patent trolls, because there's some things that people don't know about. So there's, there's a court in Texas with a judge that is very friendly with the patent litigators. So what they always do is they always set up

location in that town and then they run all their lawsuits through that town and I'm sure this judge has made a fortune off of it and he should be like disbarred or whatever but that's as far as I know that might still be happening unless that's actually changed but that's how that's exactly what happened with us it's like they were going to use that courthouse and um another thing about patent trolls a lot people don't know is like if you hear an ad on the radio for a company and it's an ad that says how they're like a great company doing cool stuff and they're looking for talented people.

Patent trolls actually run those ads to build positive reputation so that juries, when they go into court, a jury will be like I hear their ad on the radio. They're doing this and this. So there's a lot of stuff, but it's like, yeah, it's anyway. That's dirty. So in our case

it was, um... How did you find that out? I just hear things. But anyway. So anyway... You're like, I didn't just drop 10K for no reason. But our case, it was someone they had a patent for running ads while you're listening to music online. And so they were trying to come up to address us. But the thing that in our case is we had proof that we actually were doing that on the site a year before they filed their patent.

And that's the really crazy part. You need to show that you did it a year before they filed a patent, which doesn't make much sense. Why wouldn't it just be a day? Like, why not the day before they filed the patent? But so it was interesting because we, we, we, we. Our first thing was had the lawyers send them back the thing that showed the examples from the internet archive of where we had audio and ads. But then it's just like the whole thing got thrown out because it was actually like they were trying to go after some like streaming radio services. I think Huffington Post was named like they had a few.

They'd actually successfully won against 10 companies. They did like they named 10 companies and won and they all settled. And then we were part of like their second wave. Yeah. But then it got thrown out. because of you guys? I don't think it was because of us. I don't know.

It was kind of a mystery because it was like I was just waiting to hear what was next. And it was basically like, what's the general demeanor in the back and forth with these types of people? Well, when it's someone that serious, I've learned to just, once you, once the lawyers initiate discussion, they're not allowed to talk to you anymore. So I get too, like, nervous. Because it used to be like when the Charlie Brown thing on the site,

so we had a Charlie Brown cartoon on the site. and the king or whatever that owns Charlie Brown sent the takedown notice. And it was the same month that Mad Magazine had Charlie Brown on the cover, choking Lucy or whatever. So I sent them back the cover of Mad Magazine and said, you know, this is like a parody just like this, you know.

But that just made them mad. And like, then I actually like got the lawyers involved and it basically came down to lawyers. They're like, you have to take it down or we're going to go to court. What did make it apparent? What made it's... What made it?

What it is is if a company, you know, companies have a lot of money, they know that even if you would win, if it went, they know that we would win in court, but they also know that we could not afford. It would cost us $100,000 to win. Yeah, it's like you have to, you know, let's say if someone says that what you made could cause confusion, then you have to pay five figures for a study to prove that the general public is not confused between what you made. There's all these things that people don't understand. It's like once it goes to court, they'll basically bankrupt you. And that's how. It's funny. Just a side note, we have some friends that have had like YouTube networks, like the aggregate networks. And I don't need to name names, but there is one in particular that a lot of people were with for a very long time.

And when they tried to get out, it's so weird because like they wanted to get out because clearly the relationship, there was no relationship. Things weren't working out. So people wanted to bail. But due to some of these lifelong contracts and other things. I know what you're talking about. I'm not going to lay names, but I will say that the contract was, like when they brought it to court,

that it was actually against the law. Sure. No, no, no. I know that, but I know that part of their process in order to, how do you say this? Intimidated? Basically, no, bleed people. So what they would do is that they would make it

so you had to get a lawyer in order to get out of this, right? But the thing was, is that I guess there's like a 30-day grace period between correspondences. So, like, they have to respond within X amount of days, whatever it is. And what they would do is they'd always wait until the very last day in order to do the response. So that means if you're just some lowly content creator and you have a lawyer trying to help you out, that time, the clock is ticking.

So, like, they would literally just bleed you out. So every email, and, you know, like, they needed clarification on something. It's like 30 days, 30 days, 30 days, 30 days. So you eventually would just have to drop the lawyer. Well, I'll tell you what always worked for me is I always look at... For a project, I always look to make sure that they don't have a clause where it says you can't say anything bad about us. Because that always works pretty well. But there's a lot of clause that says you can't bad about us.

All you have to say is like, dude, look, I can tell everyone what a piece of shit you are. And that usually scares them. And that worked with, you know, the... Specifically the network you're talking about. That's what I did. I was like, listen, I will ruin you. Oh, yeah, that's right. They let me go that week.

They fucking let me go that week. Yeah. The real genius of... YouTube introducing networks. I'll say there's there's like three points of genius. The first is they eliminated all their personal

legal liability by allowing other companies to take responsibility for what people upload on YouTube. You mean YouTube eliminated it. So YouTube, like if you upload something that gets you sued, it's your network that this is now their problem because they're a company that has

resources. Right. The second thing is they eliminated all of the financial and tax liability of how you pay people. So let's say you have a guy in another country getting U.S. sourced ad revenue and you're not withholding the proper amount for the IRS because you're an American company. If you give that money to another American company and they do it and they do it wrong, that's them, that's on them. So it's not even like they don't have to worry about all the paperwork.

They don't have to worry about dealing with all the individual people. So far the way you're describing this, it sounds like laundering money. Like the way you like funnel it through these filters. Yeah, they're letting it be other people's problem. Right, but they collect on the goods, but then they don't have to deal with. And then the third was that all these networks came along and raised millions of dollars and then actually used venture capital to boost people's CPMs. So that like when people early on were getting the guaranteed ad rates,

that was just because these companies, they'd raise like $100 million and they'd be able to just burn a few million dollars giving people a guaranteed rate because they wanted the best people. And it made everyone to do it. And it makes everyone think YouTube's amazing when it's all just. just like a house of cards. It's a nice little bubble that's going to pop. Pretty much the biggest networks, like, it's a scam,

right? So, like, the ones who will accept anyone, if you're like a little kid with 10,000 subscribers and they're like, yo,

come onto our network, we'll help you out. It's the scam because their biggest clients are the people with, like, millions of subscribers, right? And they're just pretty much

the reaching out for money. So if they're offering someone with even under 100,000 subscribers, there's no way they'll ever help them out because their biggest clients their resources. Essentially, all they're doing is,

They're getting as many people they can to just kind of take 30%. And they've got tens of thousands of clients that, of course, they're never going to get to everybody. Their emails are so funny, too. I like when they say they'll just, like, flat out lie. Like, they'll be like, we've worked with such popular YouTube. Dude, my name is using those emails. The people I've seen emails. It's like, we want some people like, some people have, like,

two spaces of people. I know they like spell Spaz Kid wrong. And I mean over, I'm like, dude, do you work with these guys? And my favorite email is the one where they write when they're, like, recruiting people and they're like, we love your channel. Oh, your videos are crazy. Which one's your favorite? Oh, we love your videos. Yeah, all your videos.

Oh, yeah, they do. Or they pick a random title. Like, they'll pick something like that I did that is, it's clearly a piece of shit. Right. Like they'll just go through and be like, ah, that's my favorite. And then that or they'll go by the most viewed one. Yeah. But I remember when, um, what's his face? He worked for, um, the actual cartoon thing.

He did the bear, Wadova bear, uh, oh, uh, Joe, yeah, yeah, yeah, Bows. So Bows, when he posted that one Twitter image of like the, account there, fuck, I don't want to again, not names, but there was a network that... Broadband TV. Anyways, apparently an intern did it, so the company isn't liable, I guess, but

they'd sent out all these tweets saying, hey, so-and-so, we really love your channel, please write us, we want to talk. And it was just like... No, it was just like the whole screen, and like we went through the account and basically they just shoveled in all these names, copied and

pasted and went. And it was like, of all the people to send that type of like un, it's just, it's not, not only is it not personal it does seem kind of just robotic? Yeah. I mean, even even the evil, I get like three or four a day, dude. Right. And what do you think of those people?

Like, fuck off. And I think nothing they're a dime a dozen, you know? They're just trying to take over my YouTube account and I'm like click and I'm just going to be redirected to a sign and YouTube page thing. Actually. I get nervous because like I'd say maybe like six times a

year I might reach out to someone who I've seen like a video on like vimeo or something I'll be like I really like that like you want to show on Newgrounds you know and then uh I always get nervous that they're just gonna be like so this is how that fucker does it just just emails everybody you know fucking but but uh world's people yeah hey Tom to go back um to what you were saying before that uh went in the direction that it did what were some of the um a lot of properties that you just you should completely avoid.

I know one of them's Charlie Brown. Is it really good? It's Charlie Brown? Smarfs. Really? Godzilla. Godzilla is definitely one. I read an article. It's usually not the creators. It's normally they have like crazy huge legal teams. It's kind of their job to go out.

Godzilla has literally a legal team and they're known as the Godzilla of legal teams. There is a, there was an article about in some magazine these guys made a wine and they labeled it like, what was it like something Zilla. They had Zilla at the end of the name of it. Gojira wine. Yeah.

And then, but it wasn't Godzilla, but it was like, you know. Wine Zillow. Yeah, wine Zillazella, something like that. And they had like a silhouette of, of Godzilla on the label. Uh-oh. Just the silhouette, which actually just looks like a lumpy turd, to be honest, if you've seen the silhouette. He's pretty, he's a big fat guy.

Yeah, they sued those guys right out of business. The same thing happened to Pink Godzilla. When we'd go to Pax, the first few years we go to Pax, we'd, like, hang out with this pink Godzilla guys. They ran, like, an import game store in Seattle. Yeah. And so they just had their store. They had their mascot, which is, like, a cheeby pink little dinosaur.

Doesn't look anything like an official Godzilla. Right. But they were called Pink Godzilla, and they'd stuffed the animals of it and everything. And, yeah, they got them, they had to change to Pink Corilla. And then the big old foot came down and smashed to olive. Yeah, they had to ditch their, all the stuff they'd done with it. Pink Godzilla? When you said in the Gizlerc and Godzilla, I've seen like parodies of both those loads.

Yeah, because Smurfs, we've gotten to take down those from the Smurfs before, but there have been Smurfs since... Of all things, they've fucking Smurfs. The other things... The recent, like, nobody... Could you imagine if Nintendo was that hardcore? There wouldn't be a fucking... I mean, that's actually that couldn't exist? Didn't say?

Did they? At one point they did, but never with us. Really? Yeah, they were trying to shut down all Sonic parodies at some point. We... I don't blame you. Just let it flourish. No, not Sonic parodies.

You need to crush that. They've one good Sonic parody. That's what I thought. That's what I thought. Wait, did you see that one recently where he hung himself and then his coins all spilled out? But then they like auto-collected back. Fuck you, Tom. I really like that.

This is Doveroo? You not see Sonic? That's a classic one. Sonic is a good thing. What about Mario versus Sonic the Reckoning? Episode four is the best. No way, dude. You still love those spry.

Pikachu comes in? They take like two-step. from now. Wasn't there a whole series you know what, Tom, in the golden days when I used to go on Newgrounds, I remember I used to just blam

Sprite animations I fucking hated them. So I'd come on and I would see all these people who put effort and then I would see these retards with their fucking Sprite cartoons and text

because they can't use actual voices and I would blame it and lead scathing reviews when they used anti-alius fonts with Sprite art like at least get a pixel font when they were all that was like

Newgrounds biggest, like one of like biggest enemy I would go on there and I would just like pinpoint I have my fucking gang of goblin friends and they'd be like find an animation And we'd look at this fucking horrible dribble shit and we'd all leave reviews and ruin his day Did you do me if I can say this legally did you call the FBI at some point of one of those guys? Okay so someone registered nevgrounds.com with two vs instead of a w and new and in your URL bar it looks like any w Oh really and they created a fake new grounds and it had a login bar and if you logged in it saved your info

and then they then emailed they spoofed you know because you can email as anybody basically and spoof some so they emailed everybody as Wade and all the moderators and said at first glance it looks like it says no good yeah we've been having a lot of you know hackers and hacks and stuff so please go update your password

and so all the moderators would go and do that and then that's how the entire art portal vanished one day oh my god because we had there was the ability to like basically just like prune the whole art portal So what do you how do you feel about that? It's just annoying that someone went that far to do that What's it? You're something really this is this is actually a big I'm just wondering if you if there's as annoying as it is do you find it kind of

Sometimes sometimes or somebody yeah I try to have good good sense of you know This is an important thing though The best thing about Newgrounds not being as like center of attention nowadays is People still fuck with it some but it's not It's not near, it's nothing like, like if people only understood, so imagine like, you know, it's like 2005 and we're trying, we're just this small team trying to do something huge and like we're just trying to make awesome stuff and be like this great thing. And so much of our day was spent by kids that just wanted to tear it apart because it was like the biggest thing to them. Like they thought it was the biggest thing and they just wanted to destroy it. Do you think, do you think if you guys didn't have to spend your resources? plugging holes in the hole of your ship way back when that the site would be in a different place today. I mean, we definitely would have been faster with features

if we weren't doing damage control and moderation tools. There's so many sites that launched, they don't even build the moderator tools we need to build because it never becomes a problem for them. It's like you build the tools as you find the problems, but so many sites just never even get this problem. What was the most kind of frequent stuff that you have to deal with? There'd be like the spam submissions in the portal,

but there'd just be like the general what if yeah sorry like um like they would yeah they would yeah they'd try to they would try to steal awards where they'd like rush they'd like all that time to steal the award like special things

like special uh special uh special days where you had like Christmas um days or like just a special holiday I remember I would just I wouldn't want to submit anything because some stupid assholes would just upload something at the last second of like the cats getting stepped on or

fucking guys getting kicked in the balls and just like that's it they just do that with like loud static noise and screaming in like any feature on the site that allows it was the same video wasn't there like a video that they kept re-uploading yeah it was the fucking one with girl getting stepping on the dude's balls man got fucking hole yeah do you think any of those people like do you think any of those people would want the site to actually go down or do you that's the thing yeah I think a lot of them like it and the funny thing too is just like

tension so there's a lot of kids that would submit this horrible content and we'd sort of like we'd let it exist right because we're just trying to to be open. Who are you to judge what's good and horrible? But what's funny is, what do you mean? I'd say like at this point it feels like half of the most horrible people have had me take their stuff down because now they're applying for jobs and there's things on new grounds that tie them to their current identity and so now they want it all removed. You just waited and said no. I know that's like no no no yeah yeah. In fact I'm adding your real name yeah

yeah. Have a good day Jason. You can put your Google right here, your house. You fucking, like, feature his, like, flashes from 2002 on his page whenever he wants him deleted. His funny George Bichner is. Honestly, like, you have the power to take back when it was rightfully stolen.

You stay in close contact with his boss. You just ruined the rest of his life. He put, like, on his... He put, like, a LinkedIn on his profile. Oh, yeah. Remember this? Remember this? You thought this was pretty funny back in the dating chicks.

Who's laughing out of? now do you think any of those people that were like kind of like trolley and weird back on the site back in the day or like either murderers in prison pedophiles or dead look I think I think they were just right Tom well some some are you are yeah yeah let's talk about that that's a good like suicide's a real thing like there's been some people that killed themselves was what's the guy called live corpse is that's name yeah he kill himself because the police were at his door yeah because he shot a cop remember did he stab his like neighbor and then he raped him was that him was that he was that he was that he was that he was that he was that he was that he was that he was that he was that he was Yeah, no, yeah, he shot a cop. I don't know. I mean, that's a horrible thing. You can tell him. The top there. Man, I feel like I'm going to tell it wrong.

Yeah, it was something where he was like drinking with the neighbor who was a little crazy. And then they got in a fight and I think he stabbed the neighbor. And then, like, then police got involved and he was running. He went home. He finished his Sonic versus Kirby parody. Yeah. And he was like running from the police. And I guess he had a gun and he was going over a fence.

He was climbing over a fence and his gun went off and hit the police officer. He shot up there. And then he ended up in his house with like SWAT at his door. And he was like chatting with people as it was happening. Yeah, he was hiding a dumpster at some point. He wrote it. His last thing was the right of NewGud's post. When he was in a dumpster fucking shaking in the cold and he was in the dumpster.

That's got to be a little flattery, Tom. NewGlunds was the biggest thing this fucking idiot. Did he send you one five at the end? He was the first guy with 100 flashes. Did he send you one final people? He was the first guy with 100 flashes? When he made a final post and he was chatting with people like as it was all happened. What's fucked up.

What a good? It was gonna blow my brains out, BRB. Yeah, it was all like confirmed it actually. And then the next day everybody uploads, every mix animations of this happening with many hill music. Is it always? That was always the thing to do this. Oh my god.

All this is what happened. Yeah, any time there was like a fucking mass murderer or a cult suicide. The next day. Yeah, there would be like fucking Spikonia videos all over Newgrounds with like fucking B everywhere. There's actually a picture. Yeah, you were doing a Sir Tom story too? Okay, Sir Tom 93 was a little boy in New Grounds. One day he decided to post in New Grounds to say,

I'm gonna do it today, I'm gonna burn my fucking school down. He posts a picture of him holding gasoline. And then, I think Rigg saw the New Grants post, went, holy shit! And he called the English police. He said, yo, there's this guy on Newgrounds called Sir Tom 93. He's pretty cool, but you better look out. He's coming to the door, so the police fucking caught him. And then, yeah, the police.

But yeah, the police found him in school with gasoline in his bag. Petrol. There's a picture. No, no, that's the thing getting to. So, but wait. So New Grans rejoiced and made a million flashes about Soutaum, trying to burn down the school, but getting caught. That's how I know.

It was always what happened. It was always a big fucking drama, and then everyone up the stupid, the shitty flashes. What happened to the kid? Okay, so I don't know. I think he's, like... I think he was in jail, actually. Yeah, I think he went to jail.

But there's a picture of me, like, eating ice cream with him in a New Grand's London meat. Oh my God. Yeah. No, no, we're not eating ice cream in the picture, but I got ice cream. I bought him an ice cream at a new grizzlement me, and then there's a picture of me laughing in the background while he stares scarily into the camera. Oh my God, dude.

Yeah, so. It's a small, small world. Yeah. It was good. What's the world? There was a school shooter, a couple years ago. Well, there was that guy that made that movie regret. It wasn't a school shooting, but he, like, shot a bunch of people.

Oh, he was like a Native American, right, on the reservation? He was never, he'd uploaded, like, two movies, but I don't think he ever really was, like, active beyond that. What a, what a story of a story of him? So you have Newgrounds, Newground faithful holidays, holidays created by the content creators. Is there any holidays that you thought were... Stupid. Yeah. That, like, they're obnoxious and their existence were...

Like, not stupid. Obviously, you do, Corey. Oh, no, I do. I do. I do. I do. I hated... I fucking hated B-day or B-Clock Day or whatever.

Clock Day. Oh, my God. Well, Clock Day had some really great years. Like, there was really good people who did stuff. But it opened the door for like the fucking those who Just got flashed for the first time and then fucking pulled up their pants to try and make a first flash cartoon They learned from the best the triangle on the side of the fucking Spikonia voice That's why that's why everyone I can't stand that's what made the clock

Chris is a success because I can never understand it it's stupid. It's the don't you could be you could be a 12-year-old kid you know that I would have fucking But 2006 I made what most of that I thought a lot of those people who were posting that were actually adults There are a lot. Well, a lot of them have grown up, too. There's good ones in bad. But no, the thing that was really appealing is you could be a little kid whose voice hasn't changed yet. You're too embarrassed to, like, talk.

And you're not a good artist, and you don't want to use someone else's character like Mario or whatever. So you could take any object, put a clock face on it, and now that's your original character. And then you could use Spikonia to do the voice. And now no one had to know that. Yeah, so it was, it was such a perfect way for kids to begin animation. Oh, my God. To know our kids. Yeah.

I have a lot of them didn't really even higher than that. Oh, Tom, you are romantic to the bone. The lock crew, they were really talented. The Lock Legion, yeah. The Lock Legion was really good. Weren't they a response to the Clock Crew? Yeah. Yeah, because they saw.

Didn't Rubber Ninja start as Lock Legion? He might have, yeah. I just remember Lock Legion, like, every time Lock Legion posted stuff, I was like, this is good. Yeah, their collabs were pretty good. They come out and they're grabbing the same thing. What was the first clip he ever, you ever uploaded to the ribs? Oh my God, the first crew.

Yeah. Oh, it was awful. It's this, like, fucking, like, it was audio from a Pokemon show episode where Ash is talking about, with Pikachu for the first time, where he's with Pikachu for the first time, and then Pikachu got a shock or something, and then he's, like, holding Pikachu. And there's, like, this guy who's like, we've come so far and gone so long. And it's, like, this, like, fucking song. But the song sounded like, they were, like, gaily embracing each other.

And then you hear like, gh, and then, because he's, like, running with Pikachu. So I had the genius idea to have him rub his dick against Pikachu's face while he's like, well, he's like running with, and you could hear Pikachu like, kill over Pikachu's face. Like, there's like, there's like, episode one when Pikachu didn't like him. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then, like, Pikachu's like, like, fucking doing it. And you can keep hearing and go, ah.

And then he was like, Pikachu's my very first Pokemon that he comes all over his head. And then it zooms out and it just got copious amounts of fucking hate and it was it was the first cartoon they made But my favorite newgrounds. Yeah, no it is but my favorite cartoon Uh was brawl four that one was a lot of fun I love four four I did brawl four in six hours But that was that was me and a thirteen dollar Walmart mic and And just noise just screaming and fucking I'm like lial say things I love doing that with old like mics you buy a Walmart right? You just go, you mean those fucking stipples.

Yeah, no, I scream so loud in it that, like, I also told Drewox, I was like, Drewox, yell as loud as you possibly can into the mic, and he screamed so fucking loud. There was this painful, like, like noise from, like, when your fucking mic is too loud

and actually breaks and it fucking makes some loud noise. And then I was like, that's amazing. And I stuck it into the cartoon. And... I hate you, asshole. But I did. that not just because I thought it would be funny because like I I was seeing Dick funny's like the Brawlton stuff it's only funny for you nobody else laughs like

nobody's hearing their speakers crack going ha ha that's great damn me and actually screamed and laughed you know I like it's a new shot yet it's the same people who like who can laugh at people falling down it's like that sort of stuff you laugh at misfortune the idea of some it being so fucking loud it's funny to you Tom, is there anything that any of us uploaded that you are either disgusted or disappointed or... Wait, do you have a... Do you have a monitor so you can, like... We can watch it later, we can pull up your...

I want to show you an example of, like... I did the Wishbone theme song, I turned up the volume 300%. Well, I had... Well, I had... It was so fucking loud that it was actually like... I couldn't hear when I was, like, doing the... because I was a genius who had the volume all the way up. The act of clipping makes you laugh.

The act of clipping people's speakers makes you scream the laugh. Oh yeah, I just love the idea of what who the fuck is clicking on P-Tentai collab by Hulau or Gofino and expecting anything but the worst shit ever. What do you expect? I like those guys a lot. Oh, I did too. I did some collabing with Hulow and that other guy. Hulow, I don't want to say his name. He kind of just left and went off to be a male nurse.

a male nurse. I remember for kids. Yeah. Yeah, I know. He was really good for what he did. Yeah, he was great, but it's really funny too. He works really fast. Do you know the story of like Hula, have we even told you about Hulau? It was what's funny about Hulau is he understands certain English words, but if you say his name with certain English words, he'll get really offended. And this one time we were like, Hulah, look at this faggot. And he got so mad because he thought we called him a faggot. And it was actually, and it was actually, Actually Axel who said it. Where are you talking about?

Who's... Hold on, this is like a... His avatar was like a cat. Yeah, he was an artist who did like a lot of... He was like a foreign artist. He did like anime-esque stuff. He was from... He was from Portugal.

He was Portugal. Not Portugal. Yeah. Some place in South America, where is it? He studied a lot. You know he was... Argentina. He had this like beautiful face.

His face is fucking beautiful. He was very handsome. But basically he was absolutely 100% full racist. What he's dead? Like he would be like... He would say he's gone, he's dead. No, not...

Axel... Axel's dead. Like, Axel, Axel's dead. But... Nobody knows who Axel is, colloquially. Okay, Axel. All right. Axel is gone and Axel's dead. I'm sorry. I feel like you all have been with me forever. But Axel is a black friend of mine who is dead now.

But... Tell the story of Axel quickly. He basically hated black people and he... And he would always send Axel. He'd be like, stupid fucking eight-man and sending pictures of bananas. He would say... He would say this in text and send him bananas with gorillas

all the time and laugh. And then, and Axel liked him. You gotta give it to him as much as he was. It's pretty funny. Axel liked him so much that he just sort of accepted it.

But he's like, I don't know if he's joking or if he actually fucking hates me. But I'm like, no, he actually hates you. And so when he said, Hululah, look at this faggot because we were both saying it, he's like, he thought he was saying it to him.

And so what ended up happening was Lilalow killed him and that's why Axel is down. No, we had to somehow explain to Hululow that we know we were calling you a faggot. We were saying this guy is a faggot. We were like, it was really hard to explain because he did come into Skype calls and he would like, you would hear him like go like, I, oh, do me, eh, and like in the background. What? He's from the heart of Africa?

No, he would like say stuff and then he would come on and be like, hey bitch, hey bitch, fuck you bitch, like stuff to people just randomly. But when he ended up like kind of patching with action. He drew Axel a picture of him as a black man, which is still on his Newgrounds page, and he's never changed it. Well, because he's dead now. Yeah, exactly. So if you want to see, look up Axel the Navy, there's a picture of him and it's the one that Hula drew. Is he eating bananas and slices of watermelon and stuff?

I think he's actually holding a watermelon banana. I'm pretty sure he is, actually. I can't remember. Jeff, you asked the question to the top earlier. I'd like to answer. But you asked the question. Sorry, I kind of derailed it, but it was, uh, Kuhla was a big part of Newgrounds. He was always on all the things and he was actually like, um, you've loved, you loved, you.

Newgrounds. Like he was always invested in all the He was in a couple of the collapse we did. His final post though sound like he like really fell out of love unless he was just maybe the web in general. No he was just really bitter with a redesign because he... Oh, yeah, he was super bitter because he wanted to...

Sorry I made it better. No, he yeah, no, exactly. He wanted to be able to release like shitty cartoons and he wanted people to blame it. Oh, you mean from a technical standpoint? Yeah, he didn't like the fact that he couldn't release trash anymore and nobody would blame his cartoons. That was right That wasn't redesign

Reliard thing. That wasn't redesign related though No, it was because like you remember the old design like when Stuff was on the flat kitchen you had to click it This came in pictures now with like star ratings Oh, like you went to shock I'm not surprised I'm maybe he should cry about it And then become a male nurse or something

Little bitch For kids I bet he'd love working with kids I'm sorry Joe That's actually something else the project system changed was It used to be that you kept the portal buddy list and you could add your portal buddies to your submission so spam crews could submit stuff with like their, we had a limit of 10 at the time

so they put their 10 spam friends on every submission, but when we changed it to the project system, we made it so you can invite people ahead of time and they would just sign off and get on board ahead of time before you publish. But because we got rid of portal buddies, they could no longer just lazily add

10 friends every time, like instantly. Right. And I think it just sort of killed off that whole malicious, worthless fucking group. Yeah, which was kind of It always created the feeling of a group of bullies because like one person with with ten friends could all by himself Give the impression of a group of bullies like acting on someone they could like you know they could like say this user sucks and put up a flash and there's ten people on it and it really looks like a lot of people yeah You didn't have to be careful with who you were friends with because you never know

Or knew rather is there anything any of us in this group has made that you know you either disgusted or disappointed Oh yeah can I extend this question anybody say or read done or reset or done where you're like you're like you know motherfucker, you piece of shit, you trash. You could be honest, Tom. No, never, there's never been anything that's totally upsetting. There's just things that make me, like, nervous. Like, I think, okay, so I'll try and go in, like, order.

Like, I think Street Life was the first thing, the first crash was sexy. To my recollection, I remember looking at Street Life, and I'm being like, like, wow, it's like, we haven't gone this far. It's like, yeah. So it was like, you know, but, so that was, like, a decision point. Oh, no, there's boobies. What am I going to do? And then I guess with Jeff he did the Pokemon Really?

That worried you? I thought about in retrospect I thought maybe that's because we put that on our YouTube And I was like maybe that's why It's got like after slights or maybe that's one of the reasons That was one of the best screams The timing after the pop And he's like

Ah And the look on his face It's just genius. The timing and everything is... It's weird because by the time that cartoon came out, I feel like so many other things were already, quote, unquote, okay for the site. That didn't really seem like it was too crazy. I've gotten more hate for that than anything.

On YouTube, that had. Yeah, you got a lot of hate. A lot of un-likes. I was kind of guilty for that. Wait, do you remember when I was like, let's do a Pokemon collab and you made that? When I saw that hate that guy, I felt so bad. dude the Pokemon I was kind of expecting it

I was kind of aiming for that I kind of knew I knew I'd get a lot of it was me and it was Chris someone else I think it was me I did a really cool many things with that I didn't talk to you yeah Poked awesome was supposed to be part of it so was a HUD did a video like

oh yeah in the Pokeyball oh that's why everyone made it's Pokemon cartoon and I was the only one who did and then people people thought it was like a thing like all the animators were doing like make Pokemon cartoon yeah what that was a trip but nobody knew that it was like now making a Pokemon that's like your gateway into YouTube oh absolutely yeah but it started out as a co-op he's kind of disbanded people yeah

yeah you know what was the first one you know Chris and Aaron and you motherfuckers here you think you're all the for motherfucking first and you're not you know who did the first one what Pendleton Ward who's that he did the farting Pikachu I didn't say we did the one Pokemon Club right oh Penelton Ward an A&A Just sit back. Just relax. I made the very first Minecraft parody cartoon. That's true.

That's actually true. I had this realization one day where I was like, if Jeff had kept making those Minecraft Oh my god. You would be God right now. You'd literally have more subscribers than the world. I'm a visionary. Jim's pockets to be filled with those autism fun box. It would be the most soulless asshole on the planet.

Your ironic stab at shit would have, if you were able to continue that without killing yourself, you would be the biggest animation guy in the world. I'm the first person to do a cartoon with street fighter characters shitting and puking on each other. Yes, I also think you did the first cartoon with Transformers eating a peanut butter jelly sandwich. I did the first... Toast. A Pokemon cartoon with a nurse spreading her ass. I don't think anyone's ever done that.

No, I don't know. Spread your butt. Dude, the nod in that is so perfect. Their heads going up and down and you can see like the eight necks. Really the only joke was their fucking kids. They're like children looking for Pokemon. If you pretty much look at any street fighter video on YouTube,

there's somebody quoting Stamper's cartoon in the comments. Like, it's that. Oh, yeah, absolutely. Everyone's fucking everywhere. A lot of people didn't know I made it because I made it and I'd sent it to a couple of people and I never put my name on it. Some scumbag.

It got leaked. And then it leaked on a style project and it got huge. 4chan. And nobody even knew it made it because the collab wasn't done yet. Everyone else was doing their pieces. So one of my piece of shit trustworthy friends

decided to pass around. Mick? What? Aha, it was Mick. No. The computer with the keyboard. No. Yeah, maybe.

Mick, when did you come on to New Grants? I can't remember. 2010, right? I don't think it was around then, was he? Middle of 2010. Were you around for the Street Fighter Club? When was that? No.

He started with marble sheet. He came in for some marble cartoon. Yeah, and everyone thought, like, my Marvel thing was just like this really shitty whatever. but nobody knows that it was actually just a parody of Tom's. Yeah, I remember that. Like, I, people, I was, and that was, like, one of my first, like, it was still within the pocket of my first submission.

So, like, I felt like I had to justify everything. You know, like when your first enemy, like, no, guys, seriously, listen, I'm not, this isn't what I normally do. I still do that. But, yeah, it was supposed to be a direct rip of Tom's at the time. I thought you were pretty cool, Nick, and then I met you. Yeah, I know. Sorry to this point.

It's okay. It's okay. It's okay. The first time I ever got really excited was whenever I released that Pico Day collab thing I did in like 60 hours. And then I won the award for the best dick joke. I was like, yes. I got a runner-up award, dude. Because like I just wanted to like get something because I thought it was like it was nonsense.

I don't even know why I made that. Like it was nonsense. Best dick joke. It's the one with Jeff and Tom. Yeah. Oh, were they fucking each other? Yeah. I guess the one I was like that.

I was, I was, that's awesome. The one I was really scared about was fucking, I mean, we've talked about it. I thought who allowed me that. Did you do a different one with Jeff? Do you add to me in that for, is that in Street Fighter Chode? Or was that something else?

No, Street Fighter Chode was something else. No, this was its own submission. Oh, that's right. Chode was a scary day trying to. And that was all you? You just sat there by yourself. You're like, I'm going to have Jeff and Tom fuck. Yeah.

And you didn't even know what it looked like. I hear what they were saying to each other. What I love is that now you work in an office, literally with Jeff and Tom. When was the last time you cut your nails? Would you have ever conceived of that? When you were making that cartoon that in a few years, you would be working in an office with those two guys?

Not exactly. I just thought at the time it would be funny because everyone else would be making like Pico fighting alongside you and I would just make you do something completely the opposite. Is that the advice that you would give to aspiring creators? To animate the people that you respect and want to work within the future fucking.

Yeah. Because you never know. the higher you years later. That's another recent thing is we did that screening in LA this past year of like classic Newground stuff and Strawberry Clock flew out for it and got to see B

on the big screen. So it's like did he try? A kid trolling the site, you know, however many years ago. You mean just the letter B on the big screen? Like now you're getting to see your troll movie like in a movie theater with a bunch of people cheering and stuff. It's like how long they stay up there? Because it's just like one frame that never

does anything. It's just a big red letter B. It's up there long enough. I think I filmed it actually. I should probably put that somewhere. You're a loser, Tom. I remember like man, like one of the, I don't want to dive back into this. I think I've talked about this

a lot, but one of the most scariest times for me was on Newgrounds was Chode submitting Chode because it was about to like lose to some shitty mouse game by some foreign country. And I was so fucking scared because these assholes are voting up the mouse game and all the comments were like, let this win. Fuck that flash.

Oh, they were all doing it in spite of your flash. Oh, absolutely. And then when it was on the page, I was like so happy. But that fucking flash for three solid days, it was bombarded with attention. Like people were coming. They were dropping zeros left and right. But then I would come back and they would all be gone. Like the zeros would be gone and it would be tense.

And then you refresh. It was great. I remember telling Tom, I was like, dude, you need to put this on the front page. Tom and what? Wait. I felt really guilty about it. That was actually right on when I joined Newgrounds, too, because I remember being like, wow. Another thing is, I know nothing about street fighting. I still don't.

Why don't we take this moment right now to give, why don't you give Rina Chan a nice heartfelt apology? Oh, okay. Yeah, no. Play some sad news. I'm sorry. I am definitely sorry at this point because I never meant, like, for Runkichung to be. I hope it's not something, but... It is. People still call that, Colin.

And that's sad. But, you know, that wasn't even me. So I'm going to throw Lyle under the bus because he thought of the name. Okay. So Lyle... Lyle... You're going to throw Lyle under the bus? Oh, Lyle...

No, listen, okay. Lyle also had his fucking hand in the stink pile. When we were making the cartoon, Lyle wrote the crazy over-the-top fucking Tankman, like, Metal Gear Solid Storyline. And I wrote the stupid bullshit that people quote, randomly.

And so, like, Mike, that's why it was like a parody of club, but it also had this like underlining, like, story. Did you, did we even mention the name of the cartoon yet? Oh, Street Fighter Chode? Yeah, Street Fighter Chode. I think we just have like a code name show. Street Fighter, go watch. Watch Corley bully people. No, it was in 50 minutes.

But it was how I meant like Zach. It was how I met Chris. It was how I met you. It was how I even kind of got your attention at the time. See, the thing is, it was. so well animated, especially for that time period on the site. No, I think for the site, though, to see that, to see that, like, just with the insanity that was there, I don't know, like, it was impossible to just...

And it was so self-referential to the community. It's like a piece of content that existed because the site existed. It was, it was, it was just part of the Newgrounds lore or world. That's basically it was. It's like 20 minutes long. Yeah, it's a fucking big... Wasn't that your art piece that you did for the collab? It's my favorite Newgrounds thing ever.

The best thing, though, the best thing, thing about it though is I had this I had this other little skeething plan when I made it that's why I had this like lesbian scene in between each fucking thing so somebody had to fucking sit through that just to watch the next scene and then they would be bombarded with stupid dumb shit and it's not funny it worked for me exactly so they would have to sit through that so I knew I see I kind of played the system I knew I would get tens from the fucking horny kids who were like I hated it but I liked the girl part and I'm glad it was in the scene select, so here's a 10.

And I was like, yeah. That was like a grand majority of the news. What are you doing here, Corey? You should be out in L.A. producing shows for fucking network television. Your little mastermind over here. You were like bullying some kid at the end of the cartoon.

I don't know who he is, but you... That was Lyle again. Lyle... He was... He was really harmless. Lyle just loved to make fun of him and he's like grease. See, I think...

Tell us just what this is... The reason why it's okay that you're... throwing Lyle under the bus is because he, if he was here, he would not apologize. Oh, he would, he would own up to it. He'd be like, I'm so glad I'm finally step right up to that play. My best Lyle impression here.

My best Lyle impression. How Lyle would talk. Lyle, okay, so if Lylel was... What do you think? Do you apologize for Stood of Chode? Chode was fun and he's like, but at the time because there was also a situation where we were actually in a Skype call with, man, that was a whole

whole other thing. Like, after Chode came out, like, fucking bridges were burn fucking with who? People that they were supposed to be burn risk. Yeah like like animators and friends of Raina Chan who like

and apparently like people were going around like saying like oh he's horrible he won't pay you he won't allow you to do anything so after I made that I was like I couldn't get voice work from people because they were like oh he's the guy who did shows don't don't work with him he's an asshole so it kind of like but I didn't really

care you think they were right yeah sort of Dude, fuck you. While we're kind of going on the whole new ground, like, you know, zero's intense thing. There's a kind of a funny story. Years and years ago, there was a user. Jeff has something to do with this, actually.

Okay. That's not bad. There was a user, we know, years ago. Oh, no, dude. Don't say his name. Holy fuck, that was the best thing. This isn't a name that starts with a D. No.

Okay, never mind. I'm not even sure what this is about. No, I'll tell you. You're corny. birthday picture. It was just a hard birthday picture. It was me. I had his hand around him. I was holding a nice cold brusky. Yeah. And he had a fucking lemonade because he was in his name. Yeah. This guy says, hey, nice job. Great good. He compliments. It gives me zero though. It has like a positive thing. Then I do it. I'm like, yeah, great job. I'll give it zero too. There like four other guys did it. And then this Jeff front pageed it. And at some point, the entire community, band together.

Yeah, and a beautiful active unity, like Harry Potter, George, Eddwell, all these people, all these big guys to give them all give it zero, zero, zero, zero. The biggest guys on the fucking side. Like, I love the color, you're really good at composition, zero. It was like, this is the best art piece I do that, zero. This kid's biggest idols, fucking five page zero and zeros. Just, oh God almighty. See, what fucking, what you know that? I'll never, I'll never forget.

I checked it recently, like half the reviews are deleted. Oh, they had to do you think. But also the thing about that was that, uh, what, me and Zach used to fucking have them on Skype. Oh, you gotta tell the whole fucking shindig about that stuff, dude. He was basically just a 13-year-old fan who was like, I really love your cartoons, for a good. And then we'd fuck with him.

So, me and Zach, uh... You know, just fuck with him. We were nice to him at first, but then he kept being annoying, and he kept being like, well, you like my cartoons. That's usually how... what happened yes like okay fuck you so then we were like I used to tell him stories where I was like uh like I pretty much made out that my that Ireland was like a

muddy hole that is surrounded by wolves and we live in cabins and shit so he thought that my like fingers were all gone from wolves and that my parents were dead and that we all had cancer and then one day we told him that uh or this was the day I was gonna block him because he was annoying me but like now he's a nice guy but anyways the day where he was annoying me I was like listen to it I got to go for a few months he was like what are you going and it's like I I'm gonna be an astronaut and you're just like an asth no you're not I was like I swear you can ask Zach and I was like told Zach's like if asks Tell him I'm gonna train to be an astronaut and assens like it's okay

So then he asked Zach's like yeah dude he's gonna do that and I was like oh and then then he's like wow you're really going to be an astronaut I was like yeah goodbye dude it was really nice knowing you and I blocked him and then a few days later I told Zach to tell him that I had died in a spinning around in a chair in test He was what's it called me? Jarmesnet, Jocry. Syracial Force? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So, Zach, yeah, yeah, yeah. So you looked snapped around in NASA.

And then we went through the trouble of me pretending to sign into my account as my brother, Bert, who doesn't exist. Basically, you change your Skype name. You changed your Skype name. You changed your Skype. Yeah, Bert, I don't know why, but anyways, and we were like, listen... It was crafty, dude. Yeah, it was really mean, but... It was just bizarre of anything. Yeah, looking back and I really just weird, but then we were just like...

like listen we're gonna have a funeral for Chris like he's a hero he's like okay I would be there like a Skype funeral and I can't and we all entered the call and I pretended to be my dad and I was like my son my son my boy's dead he played like a song from Lee would say yeah he played the song where he died yeah it was like there was like a faint like yeah yeah yeah yeah and he left yeah and then and then that was the last we heard of him and then I signed back in the Skype one day and I was just like I called him and he was just like hello and I was like hey man what's up and it was me he's like you motherfucker!

You know actually we made you a lot of you know I just wanted to see what he did we made you a rest of peace video you can find it on the that was what was what was what the NASA Rest and Peace video was for? You can find that on oh yeah channels that I think it's on only with pebbles yeah it's just I put out a bunch of pictures of me and MS paint we yeah that was that was for that was for him yeah so and then I came back months later was like what's up dude he's like you motherfucker and he blocked me And then for years he hated me, but now he likes me.

Shout out to that guy, you know who you were. Those were the days. Oh, the good old days. The good old days. Mick, what was your, would you say your original experience of the dude guys was hostile? Because a lot of people hated your guts. I did. Yeah.

He's hated you. I don't know. I just thought you were. I didn't hate you. I'm kidding. Yeah. No, I don't know. No, Chris was like, I hate that rice part guy.

I do, I do kind of hate you. He's too popular. He's in everything. It was weird. I don't know. Like, it was a break from. Dick? Yeah, from sucking dick that I did all day long.

My chap lips. I was making a goof. You didn't have to admit to nothing. Log into Newgrounds. Uh, with an aching jaw. No, it was, it was a very, Newgrounds was weird, man. It was full of, like, tons of hate that seemed to get approved.

And there was just, it was just such a weird fucking bizarre world of, like, strange sprite animations and dick jokes and, like cookie cutter make it yourself games I don't know it was just like the home of the dick joke for the years yeah no it was really weird but in all of it there was clearly a sense of community which

I thought was really cool yeah it was my favorite community it was definitely like its own lore which I thought was there has been a community like New Grounds for me since no I have not no Gras is not nothing exists New Grounds is still the definitive I've never seen a site like I'm sure like Deviant Art people would argue

otherwise and And Tumblrists would argue otherwise. But Tumblr, again... Tumblr and DVD isn't really a form. It was a... You could actually talk. Yeah, no, and that's the thing is that like these other sites where they all think that they're kind of the center of the universe, including Reddit. The thing is that they all seem to be very homogenous in their thinking. Like, it's like, you're either with us or you're against us kind of thing versus Newgrounds, I felt, was very open to such a wide range of people.

and it wasn't just a wide range of people. It was a wide range of people who could accept a wide range of people. Like, you know, like me or Tom or whatever, like, yeah, we're a little bit older. I joined it when I was 30. There's like little groups here and there. Yeah, but I could still laugh at the dick jokes and I could still understand the hate. And even when people would troll the site and, like, you know, they'd plug their flash in and downvote things, I still, a part of me still thought it was kind of funny.

Like, even though I didn't appreciate it to a degree, I don't know. It's like I just felt like everybody understood and nobody, it was a place where it was like nobody got banned essentially. Essentially, nobody got banned. Unless you really fucked up. Unless you really genuinely fucked up. But I mean, dude, you're talking about a site where people are posting. I'm going to burn down my school. And then the next post is, hey, I just had some kids.

And, you know, it's like, congratulations, you fagget, ha, you know, whatever. Yeah. But I don't know, like, it just seemed like everything. I don't know. I enjoyed it a lot. It was a really bizarre experience on the internet. I was going to say it was a fun community, it was a fun place to learn how to be an asshole. Yeah, no, yeah.

You see, it's not so much that, like... I was a piece of shit. I don't think of, like, things that could be. Like, I could submit a cartoon and get, like, you know, like, look for trophies and then review and comment on people. It's just that, like, now I would like to have something. Like, I want to work towards something instead of, like, putting something out there. I'd rather have a big-term goal of what I'm doing and work up to it. Yeah.

With before it was like I was kind of I didn't know what I was gonna do I was just sort of releasing cartoons now and then and stuff and it's kind of funny too because at first when I first came to Newgrounds like I said I just made really trolley shit loud noises like the awful shit I was no better than the people who did fucking clock flashes I made those loud videos of the worst yeah I was the worst You were fucking bottom but then like I when I released Chode I kind of got this like realization where it's like anytime I worked on something I ended up putting more ever effort into it and then when I released it like people are like you should just keep doing this and I was like okay and then I just that's what I did I stopped doing like really I couldn't I didn't want to do lazy animation I wanted to do really fluent stuff and then I started looking at like Harry showed me how he animated yeah see I think that's the thing too is like because in other environments where people are quick to ban like it's they don't like what you're saying or doing you're out

that's I right but I think with Newgrounds the thing that was so healthy was that people could be fucking assholes or they could do stupid shit but like if they put in time and effort into something, you'd get reviews like, dude, what the fuck is up with these jokes? You're such a fucking troll, but dude, the animation's amazing. Oh, yeah, I would always review that.

If you'd like, if you'd like to look at something, look at Cory that his old reviews. Yeah, I would always look at, and it's funny too, because I used to review, and my first reviews are just trolly jokey shit. But you start to see, like, the evolution of like, okay, where I'll look at a cartoon, and I'll be like, I look like,

this isn't funny, It's like, you aren't funny, but this cartoon is really good. And you should keep animating. It was just interesting because, you know, like, sometimes with your friends, like you'll call each other, like faggot or retard, whatever. We're joking around. We're making fun of each other. I know you are.

But I think, like, you sometimes, I think sometimes people, especially if they're grown up, they don't necessarily understand the context of that type of behavior. Well, that's the thing, too, is if you were a little bit older, if there's when you got, And you have all these people who are 15, 16, 17, who would just fucking berating you. Right. It's a different world almost. It is. It is a different world.

But I was going to say occasionally I'd see, like, you know, like Stamper and Jeff and some of you guys, you know, you guys made these cartoons that were clearly either kind of trolly or out there or not PC or whatever. Always ripping on something or kind of. Right. And yet, and yet there were times I remember seeing certain projects where you guys would chime in and be like, what the fuck is the shit or whatever. And it was just an interesting... Can I give a shout out? I have to say Stamper's reviews are my favorite reviews. Oh, he's old reviews.

Absolutely. And Chris's old reviews. What is Stamper's reviews is just as you? Mine are... It's the whole review just says, get off the stage. Mine are malicious. Like, I look at a flash and I broke it down. And I was like...

I'm like, what is this fucking dribble? I was like, what is this trash? Is this the one where you and a bunch of other friends? Joe gone and all... This would be me, going... This would be me, like,

having just, like, this angsty hatred to anything that's fucking suck, and I would just absolutely rip it apart. But I wouldn't be critical. I want to look at the aspects of it.

I would say, like, I would break it apart. I'd be like, one and a half star because you kind of have, like, an ounce of talent in this one regard. But I was a doucheback.

I think I've left a few. Yeah, mostly positive, but... I'm going to go ahead and apologize. I feel bad at a few of those. I specifically. if you made reviews for Tome.

Oh, God. Those were fucking brutal, man. I look back at... That was actually the thing I was talking about. My fucking paragraphs are like, the colors are terrible? You fucking... Because it wasn't just one. It was a bunch of them, and everyone jumped on board on that.

Aaron got into those two. I still love the fucking responses to some reviews. There was a kid who made an epic Mario. It was called Epic Mario, I think, where it was just like literally Mario would be... Be Epic. Looking at the camera and like there's two steps from hell in the background and just like... I just love reviews like, Mario's not fucking epic faggot.

And the response was like, fuck you, you fucking asshole. It's like, sorry. You said, what did you say? You said, like, what about it was fat and fucks. He's a fat fucking plumber. He's a fat fucking plumber who fucks your mom. That's all. I, I, I, that's actually, sorry, really quickly.

That's actually one of the genius things of the site, commenting system, is that the creator always gets the last word. Yes. And then people, that was the best. When I released Brow 4 and people had these scathing reviews, And I'm like, I would just like, all this review, and then all I would say is just lull. And they would get so fucking bad. They would send me 100 p.m.

And then I would, like, I would reply to those with a lull. And he, it would just piss them off. Or sometimes somebody would do another review. And then, like, I would be like, oh, are you done? And they would, it's just, it's the best because, but I mean, like, I, there was always times where I would leave a review and I would actually give criticism. And the person would be like, well, you're stupid. And I'd be like, oh, man, I wish I could reply to that person. have other fucking line of things to say.

What I like about it too is, you know, it's obviously a review system, but with YouTube you can just cut whatever you want. Oh yeah. You have to think about what you're saying. You can't just like, like you could do like a one lie, they like, well, fuck, fuck off faggot. That could be a review, but... But you know you're burning that. When you do it, everyone knows, everyone knows it, you had one chance to say something. And you chose to say, and you chose to say, lull, or whatever.

And you had like, like, 4,000 characters, you could like, fucking write the novel you always wanted. Oh, yeah. Well, Tom, is the creative Newgrounds? What do you think is the most critical review you've ever left for anything? Do you know? Have you ever straight up zeroed something with a comment in a review? Yeah. I don't know if I've ever zeroed anything with the review.

And that's the thing I learned early on, like, and you guys have to experience this too, because people look up to you. Like I learned really early on that if I'm mean to a user, I've created like a serious enemy for life. Because it's different than just another kid on the other kid on the user. the site being mean, it's like, if you went to Facebook and Mark Zuckerberg was just like Mick Lauer, like more like Nick, fuckface, get off my site. Like you hate him, like, where was this Tom the whole podcast? Hello, welcome.

Marks, you hate it for the rest of your life, right? I don't mean the phone shit ever. Dude, I'd be like Zuckerberg fucking call me out. I know. You look at this photo deleted all-a-l-l-dame, yeah, dude, put you, Mark said that, dude. Fucking Mark said that, dude, I would upload, like... He'd like, hack my account and I'd just be like, pictures of, like, Photoshop

of me sucking dicks and stuff. I have a question. It's a nice little... Biggest thing you appreciate it that you think you did the best with the dude is the biggest regret. Biggest regret? And also, yeah,

losing this guy. I was pointing at myself. Best accomplishment? Getting this guy. Let's point out myself again. He was pointing at his dick. Excuse me. No, that's not true.

I'll let him answer. Biggest regret Yeah, like The biggest regret is like Just the whole Decline of it all Like letting myself get too depressed With everything

You were getting depressed? Yeah Oh no It's like It's tough It's like you need You feel like you need to project confidence And shit to like

And I feel like I like Kind of like Wasn't able to project that And it might not It probably would have been Do you feel like there was This a pivotal time

When that would have been How would have been It's hard to say because the way I look at it now is it's like what happened was going to happen no matter what rab that I pulled out of my hat, I think. Right. SoundCloud was always going to come around. DeviantArt was always going to come around. YouTube and mobile. Especially like the whole, I mean, you know, besides the fact that YouTube like cannibalized so much video traffic, just mobile has cannibalized the web. Like websites are dying. Oh, absolutely. So that's what I tell myself now is like, yeah, it's not like there was some magic one, two, three, you know, work an extra 20 hours a week and be where a store. bigger smile or whatever that could have could have saved it but uh but it's always like i don't know yeah like there's always like the what could i've done to have made it

i think that's probably the most frustrating thing is because that question it's not even like man i wish you could go back and and kiss jenny in front of the cafeteria instead of just letting her walk by this is one of those situations where you don't even know what you would have done like one of the big things is like it's it's really easy to say if we never allowed porn on the site, we would have had higher paying ad rates, and we would have, all those people that hate the site because there's like, oh, there's adult content. It's like, but at the same time, so many people love the site because it had all that content, because it was all that is NewGers. If you did, I don't know how I know this, but if you type anti-a-in-google,

new guys on the first page. Yeah, see, you don't know how you know that. I know that. It's not just porn, though, it's adult content that you can't, if I have a joke that's legitimately funny, that happens to have a pair of titty's in it, there's nothing I could do. I can't put it on YouTube. I can't put it on most websites because conflicts with ad companies and there's very few places that I could put that.

It's not necessarily porn. It's just adult content. It just annoys me that so many people are put off. Like everyone's so fucking good. There was this, uh, I got some email all the other day. It was like, oh, see what your site. See what people are saying about your

site on. It was some site for like guiding people. through and it's like I went and go look at it and like every negative review is like oh it's great games animation oh but you know watch out for the porn porn it's like go somewhere else it's like it's like it's like there's really come on it's like don't people realize that the internet is just ones click to porn right regardless of what website you're on there's porn always hiding around the goal like truly you can go to google emma search yeah and type of porn word and you'll get more porn than Newgrounds has ever seen in its entire system of non porn word yeah that's true

type in mouth and you'll get all sorts of fun. People need to accept that the internet just has porn, a click away from wherever you are, and it shouldn't be a big deal that Newgrounds also has it too. But anyway, but that is one of the big questions is like what would have happened, would we've been taken more seriously? But also the offensive content.

I kind of screwed things up when I made Pico and Clubbousil too, because people are like... See, you call both of these things the porn and Pico some kind of a possible regret, but I think that is what solidified... Yeah, that's what made it what it is, but it's also what held it back commercially. And commercially is why it failed recently.

Well, if you wanted to go commercial, we could have just done a whole lot of bitch work and shit that we don't particularly like doing. Then you'd really be fucking miserable. Yeah, you go work at a bank if you don't want to deal with that. I mean, I don't know. I feel like, I mean, you're still making games, which is great, and Newgrounds does still exist.

But as far as proudest thing? Yeah. I mean, just launching the automated portal was like awesome. Like in 2000, that got was really cool launching, like unveiling that. That was also cool. Like features, every feature was just so exciting to launch, you know, in the early days. Where nowadays, we could spend a lot of time on a feature and it could have, like, very minimal impact. Like, back then, every feature was like a game changer.

Feature was always my favorite part of new rounds. Like, back then, it was always, like, trying to fight for a spot on the front page. It was always, like, what everybody wanted to do. Yeah. Oh, but I mean, like, features in, like, a new portal, like, the audio. Now, that's a great nerd. Like, one day we added co-author. But I wanted, but what's the great, like the proudest moment?

Like being what, in the top 20 most influential sites of Time Magazine? Or when, when your wife logged into Newgrounds and was like, I got to find the creator of the site and have his babies? Or, I mean, what, I mean, proudest moment of you being. Well, April I met in college. Okay. Unrelated. But, uh. When you saw the life birth, you lost all the bathtub.

Yeah. What the fuck? What? You ever see deals like that? Zach? Your face when you said that. I thought you were singing a song. No, dude, you ever see this video?

I thought you were saying the baby coming around in the bathtub. The little goo. You look like you were staring into another, like, time and space. You think of the girls? You mean like horses? What the fuck is anyone talking about anymore? I remember I submitted a video to Newgrounds of a...

You ever see a... Of a horse. It was like two guys. It was two guys who were standing on a tree. and they were like Tom's proudest moment of newgrounds was a giraffe giving birth Well listen

It was two guys sitting on It was two guys sitting at a tree And he was picking his nose And the guy's like, that's gross And he's like Good one anyways Tom Favit No hold on hold on

You started it Let me finish So the guy's picking his nose He's like it's gross He's like no And then he pointed over there And I actually took An entire YouTube video of a horse

captain birth with the fucking placenta egg and the blood and everything and then at the end the guy's like The placenta egg Yeah And then the guy's like That's not that bad

And then it was over And then I submitted it And it got planned Tom Big Bigger's got on The only review There's a story The only review was

What the fuck was that a horse Having Sex Oh wait Tom left that review No The only review it got was what the fuck is that a horse having sex alright okay guys all right no I don't know I guess that's the problem is I don't like I don't have moments of pride I just oh I just like hate well Tom we're all proud of like so feeling inferior needing to do better

what was what was the thing that happened on the site that made you feel the least inferior what was the least shitty moment of running this goddamn company well speaking it's Tom, I just kind of like the general feeling of being a guy. Yeah, there's like lots of little moments. Like, anytime that anyone who's an amazing animator makes, like says how they started animating because of Newgrounds, like that's like a moment. It's a, it's a nice moment of pride. Was there ever a moment where you got in the car, you were driving home, the wind was

blowing in your face? And you just sighed and you were like, holy shit. Wow, that's awesome. Not everyone meditated. Bag it, Mick. Yeah, that was a little bit. Yeah, dude. That was really gay.

Get the fucking, get up the podcast, but look for a problem. There we go. I'm out. I'm going to. I would say one moment that felt like a pinnacle was, um, it was so, I guess this was late 2008. Am I the only one trying here? God damn it, Tom.

Spin it out. Castle Crashers had come out and was a success. Newgrounds was still. was still hanging in there pretty well and April was newly pregnant and we went to we good job Tommy I was you to Japan the Tokyo game show and I was there at like your wife real good up our booth so I'm there at our booth that means you came in her dude okay yeah dude you came in your wife yeah I'm at our booth at the Tokyo game show and thinking about how when I was a kid I always wanted to go to the CES show like this was before

E3. Like I always wanted to go to the CES show. Like I, it was the consumer electronics shows. Where the video games used to be before E3. And I even, there was a fanzine where they had a contest where you design a game and the best game design would win all their swag from CES. Wait, when was this? This was when I was, this was when I was like in junior high or something.

So I created a game which is very prescient. It was called Violin Master. It was like comical, but it was violin master was basically like a guitar hero. Cool. won the contest and I got this this huge package of all this just the shitty flyers you get at CES and I would like worship like I would just like I had them all

out on my floor and I'd look through them all and it's like I wanted to be like part of all that excitement of like the CES show so now I was singing like here I am like with a hit game with our own booth at Tokyo Game Show which is like the world's ultimate video game convention and I was like this is like the moment

when you do like accept that like I've like accomplished like everything everything you could want to accomplish in life because like I wanted to make games, I want to go to these shows. You want to make babies? I've got my, you know, my kid on the life. You love your virginity, yeah. Yeah. That's a great answer. That was a good moment.

That was like the top of it all, yeah. Good, good answer. Tom, you've done it all, man. You've done it all. You've made successful games. You've had an awesome company. Now, now, now, now. Do it again. But better.

Better. Well, that's anything. That's anything about Newgrounds becoming a struggle is like a lot of people can have a hit and then they that's just it it never happens again but I feel like what's happened here has created like a persistent struggle that is hoping hopefully going to fuel another great thing oh yeah in progress yeah that I feel like maybe that wouldn't have happened if if you know if like it was too easy the bonus is since it is all going downhill you don't have to try as much and life is a lot easier so Stanford speaking is an expert you can know it actually is very skilled it's when when Newgrounds was at its peak

it was super stressful because at one point we had like 13 people in this office and um it's just really stressful and it's like I heard like another CEO said once like it stops being fun at 10 people and it's like I think that's probably like a good way to look at it's like when you're just you don't like because we didn't have like any middle management and I'm not really like a manager type but it's like you just got all these people and you're just burning money and you're realizing that things aren't nothing it's not like it's not like you're not like like we're making the thing that's making the money that's being burnt or whatever. It's like it's very stressful.

So that is the thing about everything being smaller now is like it minimizes the, it minimizes like what's hanging over you, the boulder that you're carrying on your shoulder. That makes sense. So I'm trying to, and it feels like it's like a recovery period. It almost feels like a trauma that happened that it takes, like you're slowly coming out of it and slowly sort of like healing from.

Well, I have high hopes for the future, mainly because of what you, Jeff and Corey are working on because holy shit, it's fucking amazing and I really hope that in some way I don't know how you can rope it back into Newgrounds. Sonic versus Mario Foxx. The final episode it's in the 10 years in the making.

The reckoning. The reckoning for. Guest stars from Kirby and we got all the best thing have Metal Sonic. Metal Sonic. Yeah, cloud. It's going to be great. Well, that was Tom Fulp, America's favorite piece of shit.

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Yeah, awesome. And here, you know what, let's just dive right into this. We don't need to, we don't need to lube this sucker. I'm just going to go in dry. Oh, shit. Yeah, you ready? You ready for this? I'm not ready for this.

Puppie Nubles asks. Would you recommend? Skip it. Terrible name. Fuck that person. Done. Done. Granite Overworld Asked. That one is cool.

Would you recommend starting a business with your friends or working with someone else? What are the pros and cons of having your own company? Here's a life tip for real. Don't live with your friends. Don't work with your friends. Collaborate. Reliability. And don't shit on your friends table. That too. Don't shit with your friends. Is that a thing that happened or is that like a metaphor? It's a metaphor.

Oh, okay. There's three things. Reliability. perseverance and control. That's a Techwondo. What? What the hell did you just pull that? I learned that when I did Techwondo when I was eight. Where did that?

I'm glad you saved that, Colin. I'm glad you fucking pushed other things out of the way. To remember that. What am I here for? Thank you, Corey. You forgot long division so you could retain that fucking 20 years. Three sings.

No, but seriously, the answer is I mean, look, it's good to clap with your friends, but I would say be independent to always, no matter what you're doing. Don't ever be dependent. I'm not dependent on anybody for anything. Especially, Zach. Just stop.

I'm starting, my heart's starting to flutter. I did take my medication today. Your heart's starting to flutter? That means you were loved. Zach, you never actually told us that you were one of those kids with hearts born outside of the rib? Oh yeah. It's truly had to push it back in. They just shoved it back in.

It was like in those rubber balls. Yeah. How come they never fixed it like that? Just took it back in between the ribs. I don't know. The tape over, put a sock over to. Look, it's a sock over, dude. Look, it seems.

see you know it's fun. Just throw a new ground sticker. All right. Next up, we've got Granite Overworld, and he she, he, Granite Overworld asks, Zach sort of offhandedly mentioned he was a huge LSD

fiend on the podcast. I was wondering if he could go into more details about his experience. I bet you did it an episode. Suicide cooking. Fun time. Yeah, to make it brief basically uh, you know, college crazy college days, my buddy. We took it was, it wasn't exactly

pure, uh, whatever, but it was, it was a it was like a shitty, like chemical off brand. It did the same stuff, but it was- Brand X L-L-H-T. Yeah, yeah, it was like, it was like, uh, fucking, you know, without Thunder for LSD. They'd have some weird name like, Seast-100 or something.

They had the weird, like, medical names, like, C-H-E-W-A, whatever. So I did that, there was a lot of interesting things, you know, the way we knew who were high was, my friend had these colorful, coat hanger or you know clothes hangers and there were like colorful plastic ones and there was glowed everything glowed perfectly so we can tell we were high because we look at it yeah we both experience the same thing too so it was like oh look at the code it was like oh yeah of course

like are both our reality changing the exact same direction that's interesting that was it means that it was like affecting the same sensory parts of your brain for example the most interesting example of that was I saw writing on the walls and it wasn't scared I was like dude there's right over the he's like yeah we're trying to like decipher it was just really weird it was a weird mutual I was coherent, I wasn't like, whoa, you know? Like, you're like, it was like... It was like... It was like... You probably got an Oculus trip for something. It was like,

I was here mentally the same, but, you know, your reality, my reality shifted a good five steps that way. It hits it too, so it was interesting. So do you recommend it? I would say, do a real version. Don't do a shitty one that could, like, give you a seizure and kill you. But yeah, I think if you don't have any kind of disorders,

look into it. Because some people have something wrong with their brain where they take a certain drug, it clicks your brain the wrong way, you're a fucking psycho, or you're... It fucks with your vision or whatever. But I would say if you're a regular person, it's a good experience. Do it at least what it was, I think. Jack Hedl, advocating drugs on the podcast. Do bet.

So as far as drugs go, like, I do feel like people should experience one psychedelic in their life to know the difference. Because when I first did it, I actually had, it's kind of really weird to say, but it's kind of like a, do you remember back in like the Manson family? Oh, yeah, yeah. Uh-huh. I know it sounds crazy. I don't go off. I want to know where this goes. Do you fucking stab her to 50 times?

Like, the girls, like, recollect, like, situations where Manson gave him drugs, and he was kind of, like, their trip partner would take him through the trip, and he was completely sane in this, like, crazy world. Yeah, he was a complete hippie, wasn't he? I was kind of in the same experience, where the first time I did it, I had a trip partner who followed me, who was completely neutral through everything, and he was like, yeah, you're just experiencing stuff, and since I was the first time doing it, I was losing my mind.

By the way, I didn't do LSD, I did mushrooms. Yeah. So I did a more safer version of a psychedelic. And if I could recommend anything, I would recommend doing mushrooms because real pure LSD can like really fuck you up some in some ways Are you can well it's depends what you take the thing too I've heard good things about mushrooms Uh mushrooms are just like food poisoning you said you took a Molly I had ecstasy once except I took it when I was with a load of scumb bags and I said like one of them was like I don't know he like wrapped or something and he was kind of shit But I kept telling him how absolutely like he's great he's gonna be the next like all the sounds are enhanced all colors are in hand

So when you hear someone who's like, very tone death, they sound like a fucking American Idol. Like, they're really good. You hear them hit like fucking retardandos and all those crazy musical words that kind of pull out of my ass and know nothing about. You're trying to keep up. Arpeggio or something. You keep up.

But I would say, to build up with Corley's saying, kind of wrap it up, I would definitely say, you know, I'm not the best guy to ask for drug advice, but I would definitely say if they're going to do it, do it with somebody who knows what they're doing, who's a scumbag who's, who's, if not so, If not sober at least has a good grasp of head to deal with things. Be in a good environment. Be like in a nice, comfortable house and you're feeling everything.

If you're kind of in a weird place, you might get a weird... Those things get accentuated. Exactly, yeah. You feel you... Yeah, exactly. Avoid the three bad drugs, like heroin, crack and meth. Oh, crack's not so bad. Crack's not the worst, to be honest.

It's not good. It's really addictive, though. It's not good, but it's certainly not the worst. It's not the worst. I would say... I would say, how it should have... What about crocodile? No, crocodile.

Crocod is probably the worst. But crack has... Wait, is that the one where the people are running around naked? No, no, that's bad salts. But Crocodile is the one that rots your arm off and, like, because he injected it. It's like a Russian one, right? What? I think it's big in Russia, right?

Yeah, yeah. That's what I think it's originally. These guys, my order's rotting off and their fucking spoders. But the highway's very good. It's pretty good. No, but if you are ever going to do drugs, the number one thing I would say is make sure that you trust the person that you're getting it from, whether it's your friend who trusts the person that they're getting it from, but you never fucking know. Don't go with no rapist, dude.

They're going to rape you. Yeah. They're going to take you. alley and rape you but seriously if you are gonna have anything if you are gonna experiment you know it's not like anyone can really stop you um just make sure not yes not only yes not only do no yeah and part of being safe is knowing what the fuck you're taking and who you got it from stamper give your drug advice go uh be naughty do drugs yeah yeah yeah fuck you la Reagan fuck you Nancy Reagan as long as you do drugs

you just need a designated driver in your set my drug advice is like you have to make sure no one's looking when they go to the bathroom you know stamp one two three, do we'd, stand for one, two, three, do we'd, one, two, three, do we'd, one, two, three, do we, do wait, dude. Come on, what do you wait for? Fucking, fucking, Melvin, you wonder when your tits sag so long. I feel like that was genuinely just saying drugs are good. What? I feel like that's what the whole thing they're, we just said be safe or thirdness.

Drugs are good. No, look, if people are gonna do them, then they're gonna do them, just be safe when you do them. I wouldn't, look, I'm not advocating yet go out and do it, but the truth is, is that there's going to do it anyways, be safe. There's a reason why they're called drugs. Right. Because they're epic. Excuse me? What, what do you mean?

Because they're... He only wanted to drug it... Listen, Colin, fuck you. I quit. This is Zach. Pop's collar. Takes off sunglasses and room. Woo!

Next question. Deal with it. I forgot to say, deal with it. That dude bro asks, when you were kids, what did you want to be when you grew up? A police officer. Stop the bad guy. Really? Mm-hmm.

First thing I wanted to be was a dinosaur, then a wizard, then a bunny rabbit. I did want to be a firetruck. I know you want to be not autistic, right? to cry. Every boy, one... That dream is still going. Everyone wanted to be a farmer at one point. I wanted to be a bin man, though.

The guy who goes to collect the garbage. Why? I don't know. I just saw them around the place and I was like, Mom, I want to be that. She's like, well... Oh, even as a young child, you set like very, very moderate and humble goals for yourself. Well, the bunny rabbit was kind of ambitious. A little bit. Just a turd.

It's like firefighter president rabbit, I think. I never wanted to be... Rabbit slash dinosaur slash robot. I never wanted to be a firefighter. I never wanted to be a policeman. I wanted to be an artist. I would be an astronaut. But I thought artists meant like painting pictures.

I didn't know artists was like, you know... It's creative. Yeah, like, I always thought... I wouldn't be an artist, but then I didn't know there was like a cartoonist and an animator and all these other variations to creating art. And I was like, no, I want to be a cartoonist. And now I'm like, no, I want to be a cartoonist. animator. I wanted to be a comic artist for the longest time, and I do recall very distinctly

drawing a bunch of Mario cartoons. Oh, me too. Where it was like Mario and Luigi and Mario and other variations of Mario, like, in different colors. I used to go to the store, go to Walmart, and buy like 500 sheet, you know those like packs of 500 sheet things. And I'd have my own stapler in my room, and I would just take like 20 sheets of paper after I'd drawn in them, and I'd staple them together, I'd make my comic, and I'd stash them in my little white thing. And over the years, I built a huge things of comics, and I did it until I was like 15, and the autism was still growing inside of me. And then when I hit 16, I was like, what the fuck? Because I had like 400 comics, and then I found out about the internet.

I did the same thing, Chloe. I actually happened with the dude that's office. Oh, yeah, you show, like, wait, did you scan them? What was it? No, that was real. That was the original thing for like 10 years ago. I guess they used to 10. They weren't that bad either.

They did look a little like family guy. Well, yeah, no, I was, that was beautiful. I also used to take MS Paint and like draw a stickman like walking across and I would have the canvas be like 14,000 in height because there was like no limit in MS Paint and then I would take the little side scrolling ball after drawing a hundred thousand pictures and just scroll down. I was crazy. You know what I did? Movie Maker and I took MSPaint and I would draw actual different frames and put together. Dude, I did that later. I did that later with my first like Blink 182 music video.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was just I was full autistic like you. I made like 20 episodes of this show and they were like five minutes each which I know why I worked on it was like Yeah Chris was learning fucking 3D and how to animate really well I was doing fucking movie maker when you were like 15 I was like look at my Blikwini 2 music video and you were doing like some fucking like 3d animation I was using that program that's free animator with an 8 in the middle

It was sweet what the shit you did was sweet I actually what I was doing I was actually when I was also younger too like in when I was probably 13 14 I also tried I made a bunch of games Like I used to kind of skip... Like board games? No, no, no, like Flash games and stuff. I used to... Dude, I used to do that too. I used to steal Newgrounds game, the Swiftie compiler and change the glass.

But eventually I started to learn how they actually work, so I'd start to, like, actually kind of build games. I had Game Maker 8 or Game Maker Pro whatever. It was like RPG Maker. Oh, yeah, I was like out-the-box things. I was obsessed with RPG. I used RPG maker and was gamemaker 8 or pro, whatever the fuck it was. I used Flash.

I also, there was a really, really, really shitty program. It was one of the first ones I used. It was called 3D Game Maker. I made a game with the tomato character, and you followed big bees, and he shot like little fireballs. I was really gay. I was so proud of it.

Do you remember I click and play? I don't think I used that one. Click and play. That was like the same thing. It's like MS Paint, except you can just make like really, really terrible games. Like a stick man just like floating across a screen and going into a house and then it changes scene and stuff.

I used to do that all the time. Remember I told me about Furcadia? Yeah. Did I ever say I made a bar in Furcadia that people used to come into? Yeah. You made a bar? Are you actually created a bar? 15 or 14?

Was it a sex bar? No. It turned in one. It was not joke. It was Nintendo bar. Where people... And I had to learn to think of DragonSpeak, which was like coding for Fercadia, so that, like, you'd make it so that when people walk into an object, like, text would come up and say what it was.

So I had all these, like, stolen JPEGs of all the Nintendo consoles, all on pedestals in the bar. So that people walked into them, like, it would say, this is the Nintendo GameCube from 2000, whatever. How many hours do you think you dedicated for that? can ask my mom like fucking like two weeks making us do a bar two weeks oh it's an or big you make it for like I never told you about the secret I did in that so I there was one day where like like 20 people all came in and also at the bar and just role played like they're at a Nintendo bar and then two of went off to like the pool and they started like yiffing each other but I had a

code so you can turn invisible so I was like sitting next to the mother you I was like watching all the stuff they were just like puts his dick in their ass and I was just like hi and then the boat like left what about you step but do you want to be when you want to grow up when you were a kid what did you dream baby stamp when he looked at his window and the chill rolled out of his face um well there's a couple of things um i remember for the longest time i did want to be a police officer but that was mainly because my parents were both cops my mom was a sergeant my dad was a detective and i spent a lot of time at the police station and i'd see like all the weapons they confiscated from people under big glass

uh you know and then you grew up and spent just as much time at the police station but on the other side of the bars? Well, maybe a little bit. I just remember the whole place smelled like coffee, and I'd be in there really late at night, and people coming and going as they pleased, and I just thought it was,

I thought it was, there was something kind of magical about the whole, when you're a kid, you look up at all these guys that they're going out, and you find out that being a police officer is a crock of shit. The second, the second one was,

my mom used to work at a funeral home. Oh, no. And, did you hang out there? I did. out there a lot and there was something really nice about the idea of being the final chapter in somebody's life even though their life is already over you're the person that manages all that and it was a really peaceful environment and people would come in and and you know it was the Midwest so they didn't handle things in the most professional way you know they used to like kind of like well

I guess we'll do it this way well I feel like I talked to talked about this before but I they used to just bring bodies in and kind of wheel them over to the corner and you could go up and see them before they were just there you know less less less uh less precautions and kind of uh just kind of loose you know yeah the way you're saying like they put him in a wagon because it's because it's because of the midwest everyone kind of trust each other yeah exactly it was it was very human and it was very loose where you know you know rob just died it's really unfortunate and he's going to sit over there for a sentence do you think that shaped the way you want to go uh well let me move on to number three uh and then i uh for a really long time i wanted to be a

priest. Really? Because I had two pastors or two priests Christian-wise because I grew up really religious. I wouldn't say really religious, but I did spend a lot of time in church. And my priests were great guys. And, you know, they used to pull me aside. They didn't fuck me or anything. I was going to say it the way you said that he pulled me aside. But no, they always treated me like an adult and they were always like they never placated me or humored me or anything. We always talked to each other. Religion aside, it really had nothing to do with religion, especially Especially in the Midwest, it's all God, quote, unquote. But truthfully, it's more of a sense of, it's community.

That's it. Afterwards, you go out, you have a picnic, you get ribs, you eat corn and shit like that. A lot of the churches I went to literally had like buff, you go to church, you go downstairs and be fucking coffee and donuts everywhere. Exactly. And that's, you know. Like God was an afterthought. It was more just getting everybody together. Yeah, definitely.

And he would sit up there and talk to you about like simple things. Like, hey, if you feel bad about shit, then, you know, figure it out. It was never like, you're going to, it was never Catholic. in any way it was it was all very peaceful I don't know what like I don't know what determines which kind of priests you're gonna get but my religious experiences are either or it's either they're like these really cool like hey it'll come to you if it comes to you and well that's and they'll be ready and then the other one being yeah your grandfather he's Buddhist he's in hell and you've only got how much time you see

those are the shitty priests I mean the the first option you gave those were like the guys that I had they were like do what you want to do but listen you know these are it was more like a relaxing environment where if you were ever feeling bad, you would go to church. I think that's what Sleepy Cabin is for people. Not to be preached at, but to be like comforted, like, oh, everyone feels this way. It's great. Yeah, but I think that's exactly, I think that's something that I would like to believe we do.

It's a place that you can go where people don't placate you. You can be yourself and all that kind of stuff. Yeah, I had a lot of respect for those guys. The ones that I grew up with. Yeah, at least, yeah, the good one. Well, I'll tell you what, I think it's because those, you know, you only get those two kind of priests because being a priest kind of attracts those two types of people, right? Sure.

Almost like a cop in a way, too. It's like you either get the people who really actually want to make the, you know, and then you get the asshole bully weirdos who are like, oh, it's a cop, I guess, however. So you get those two weird polar opposites in a position of power, like with a priest too. Yeah, but if you're just like a legitimately nice guy that's looking out for everyone, then you can't help but look up at him and like really respect him and say, you know what?

You know, I'd like to make people feel good. I'd like to make people feel welcome. On a regular basis, you're going into a church or whatnot, and you see people in a room looking up to this person literally and this person is also giving advice that is you know helping people Yeah, the whole time the dude's breaking down race and like all these bullshit social barriers and like we're all just a big family and it was really cool Yeah, it's like a little community like a exactly yeah I'm actually wondering how many people it's like a it's like a career in making people feel comfortable and just enjoying like it's it was nice it was really nice They must have a huge shortage of people who want to be priests now like new people being priests because they must be last

No, I mean, Christianity, it should be underestimated. It's still going strong, I feel like. Yeah, but I don't know. I feel like maybe, yeah, maybe like the traditional kind of Catholicism in here maybe is dying a little bit. But I mean, certainly, I know for a fact that this whole kind of like new age, not new age, but this newer wave of like Protestants, that that's definitely growing. Because I, my mom was Protestant and my dad was Catholic, so I had both. And I feel like the Catholics.

Oh, you were mudblood. Yeah, the Catholics were like, you know, the go down soon as they don't. they were actually better in some cases, most cases. And the prize the guys were a little bit like that, but they were like the guys in the buttonups on stage going, you know, Jesus is great guys. He's my good friend. We talked last night.

It was great. And, you know, they have the Jesus rock band. That's the thing. And that second one is growing a lot. The whole Jesus kind of rock band thing, that's, because they're trying to connect to the use more. Yeah. Going into a place and going, God love you.

That doesn't attract kids. That makes kids run away. So is that way they start that whole new legs. And it is. And it bores people, it fucking, yeah. You let them fall asleep. Now they've got that the new age Christian memes that they've been putting out and stuff like that. Yeah, but unfortunately.

Trying to get the youth hooked. If you could do it right, though, it is a roundabout way of getting human beings together and that's it. It has nothing to do with anything else. And you couldn't do that in any other. Like, I couldn't just like put an open call out to fucking all the Philadelphia and say, hey, let's just go talk and be humans. But there's like that little keystone up top that's like, oh yeah, it's religious. So you come in. It unites everybody

and you immediately forget it. Yeah, exactly. Which is hard to do. My church experiences with always the boring shit. People stand up there and talk and everyone's like, Amen,

unison. You're just like... Y'all tell you this much. If you got a preacher up there and he's not boring kids, then he's doing a good job. Because he never fucking bored me. He was just a legitimately good guy.

No, this guy is just like, he's up there and he's just like, and then God carried us out here. Oh, man. It's just like, oh, I'm hungry. I think if, you know, I think it's like with any job if you're enthusiastic, if you, if you, if people see that you

wouldn't be there, they'll want to be there. You're going to do, dude, you never guess what fucking Jesus did. People are like, whoa, what's going to? Well, not necessarily, Jack. Oh, I guess he fucking crawled out of a hole or something. Not necessarily. You know, those like, when you're older than those people come in to like, they're very enthusiastic about their job to like sell like, um, drugs in school. Like, you know, like, don't do drugs.

Oh, those anti-drug guys? Those anti- anything guys? Well, there's being cheesy and there's being enthusiastic. Oh, and let me clarify. No part of my upbringing or life early age had anything to do with art or voice acting or anything. You just got a fellow do it? What I was thinking about was a lot of it revolved around personality and personality fell into art and animation. It's a way that you could do things like that. Like, you know, a good preacher is all personality. A good, I wouldn't say mortician, never mind, because he didn't really have to talk to anybody. But the good police officer to some degree. Sure, yeah. It's all about dealing with human beings in a very positive manner and... Constructive, too. Yeah, constructive and just working with other members of society.

And in a lot of ways, yeah, we do that through digital media. Definitely. In a lot of ways, when you put out a cartoon, you're essentially preaching to people. Yeah. With your comedy or whatever, you know, you're not preaching religiously, but you're still talking to a wide audience. You're still evoking it. People are... feel different and they're different after you've interacted with them.

I think it's what it's about. If you're a cop, you're a bad copy, you walk and go, ah, you've sped or whatever. You're not going to get anything done. But if you walk up and you, if after an interaction, you both walk away feeling better about it and you fix something, I think that's it. And even making someone laugh, it's not like fixing fucking World Hunger, but you're still making someone laugh. You're still evoking emotion. You're still changing something a little bit. And you're still interacting a little bit, too.

So maybe everybody in this room isn't necessarily an animator or a voice actor, but they're a personality. that's trying to get out in a way that just kind of... Connect. Connects with human beings. And you don't have to pigeon. That's definitely exemplified with someone like a puty pie or a markiplier where clearly it doesn't matter what they do. They can be shooting on the toilet or sticking pencils up their nose, but it's the... They happen to be playing a video game, but it is, I think...

People are watching for them. Right. And they're connecting in like almost a religious sense. I mean, numbers-wise, it's bigger than some religion. Well, look, do you want to help people? make people laugh, save people. There's, it's all... I think you said it right, though.

You don't have to put you to a lawyer yourself. I feel like a lot of people go, I have to be this. And if they, if they're, I would be a banker. If they're not a banker, they're failures. There's, chances are you can fit to do a lot of different categories with what, with the way you want in personality.

By being human. By being human, there you go. So if you don't work as a banker, hey, maybe you'd be a really good fucking, I don't know, script writer. Maybe you'd be a really good shoe salesman. There's a lot of different things you can do. Don't, don't, don't.

That's not to say that anything's better than anything else. No, no, it's just whatever fits you the best and whatever you're going to excel at the best or whatever you're going to make society better doing the best. I like that. If you get really fucking rich. I like how it's important to become human, yet some of us when we were children want to be animals.

Money is a byproduct of doing what you feel you're good at and you're doing what you want to do. If money is your first, if money is your chapter one, then you've already fucked up. If you're looking to make money, then you're already failing. Yeah.

Because it'll never be enough. There's no money. There's no cap on when you're like, Yeah, now I'm good. All right, Ninja Tatea Tasty. Ninja J. NINJA J. Tasty. Jesus, fuck your name. What piece of media has actually made you tear up or cry? Fucking Titanic.

Really? Chris is so serious, too. That was early. No, okay, the most recent thing. You cried right when the credits rolled to the beginning though, so I don't know if that counts. You actually have to... We threw the ambulance up to the ship. No, I credit Titanic when it first came out, so I was very young, but recently... You don't have to... sure.

the sugar-coded. We're all been here real. No, I'm trying to think of the most recent thing that made me actually... Okay, a letter to Zachary definitely... I bawled, like a bitch. Even Dear Zachary? Yeah, a letter to Zachary, Dear Zachary. Remember there's... They've got a letter from a song on our...

I feel like... Sorry, I don't interrupt, but I feel like if something actually invokes enough emotion to make you actually, like, care, then it's done a good job. Because I've seen a lot of movies, I've even played a lot of games. I've, like, watched a lot of stuff that has made me, like, almost tear up. But it's because of the music choice.

It's because of the dialogue and how you feel about the characters. I can't really pinpoint the last time I really broke down and cried. But I do say... Also, can I ask you with this? Not really not cry, but definitely choked. You got that little thing in your throat. You're like, ooh, you're like, ooh, I feel that. Definitely movies.

Actually, the first time, this is going to sound really gay. But the first time I actually, like, kind of choked. On a dick. Yes, on a dick. And made me gag and cry was artificial and... intelligence that movie I really that really made me fucking sad when I yeah that movie made me really sad when the pay oh yeah no yeah where it's like this little kid he's just been wanting his mom the whole time yeah literally dying

and he's brought back to life and the only wish he gets a million years in the future is to spend one day with his mom yeah that whole time I was just like I was fucking balling that was young but that was really sad box in the town made me fucking sad last that's really sad that is fucking where the red fern grows made me fucking cry in school. I had to hide my face. I had to hide my face because I was fucking, my eyes were so right. I had my books over my head because I was so

embarrassed, but man, that movie is sad. And all the jocks would call you a pussy, too. Well, I was in, like, seventh grade, but... Shoshangardtick, too, things. There's jocks in the seventh grade? Well, I don't know if I get sad at Shawshankerdiction. I can't when he's on the beach. Come on. I actually... It's a bit or sweet, right? The beach scene for me is

probably... For me, it was least emotional. Just because it's like, I don't want to hug more. What about when doing it's It's really happy sad. Yeah, but it's not sad. It's not sad or sweet. It's like happy but it's sad. Anybody in the comments section, talk about the thing that made you emotional and cry nearly closely.

Is the question like if it made you legitimately sad? Yeah, what piece of media? I just think it's... Evoke a strong emotion out of me. Most movies make me tear up. I will be honest. Like, when it does a really good job. I'm a bitch too.

I catch it from different movies. Iron Giant actually made me tear up. There's a bunch of stuff. songs that like a song song songs do it for me songs do it for me no songs do it for me and you look over your shoulder to make sure nobody's standing there and then you can just start like when it's just so perfect and so beautiful you're just like I'll tell you let's see if we choke it for real was uh they did the new Cosmo series in the last

episode they had played the pale blue diet thing but they played use Carl Sagan's clip and I was like oh oh it fucking that's uh that's all that choked up I was like man there's actually such a fucking beautiful piece And they used, like, they updated it. They had, like, they kind of zoomed. This is a long pan out from Earth. Yeah. That's smaller and smaller.

Yeah. That was the last thing. Space stuff like that. Gay space stuff always does it for me. When it makes me realize you about how it's like the Pigeon stuff. In fact, in my whole life, I will never hear somebody say gay space stuff. Literally like, it makes me cry. That whole phrase.

They did this, the, the Curiosity rover took this big panoramic shot of Mars the sky. And it's just, it, you look around the, the movie. The 360. Yeah. It is absolutely Berlin And you can see this beautiful sky And it's just

To imagine what you'd be like to be there It's the dead silence In the chaos of Earth And screaming in politics and war And it's like On Mars, it's totally innocent And quiet and peaceful That thought always got to me

I know it's well known But what do you think As you know the way The Curiosity Rover like plays Happy Birthday to itself every year Look at that picture of thinking of that Because it's obviously just the most It's just there on it by itself

And a little jingle Imagine looking at Earth from Mars Yeah, yeah, it's like, da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da. And he's just there. Yeah, this dead silence. Yeah. The last media thing I'll share is there's like,

like everyone has their song that they can't hear because it like invokes emotion. Bill. And for me... What do you mean that they can't hear like something you won't listen to again? Just because it's... I won't listen to it unless I'm in a really upset mood. And it's, again, like, it all has to stem from my childhood. And it's like, like, um, anytime I listen to the song is when I was going through a lot of shit.

I have a couple of songs like that. Yeah. And the raindrops are falling on my head as the song it is. And that's like a, that's kind of had raindrops. Yeah. But that song. It's kind of like happy, though. Exactly.

Because I listened to it. I was really sad. And it made me happy. So when I'm really upset and like sad, I'll listen to that song. And it'll make me really happy. Maybe too happy. Maybe like emotional happy. But that's a really good song too.

I really like that. That's so simple that song too. It's a really good song. It's amazing. There's a beautiful song. There's a song called, um, Haunted by Poe, like Edgar Allan Poe. And the first time I heard that, I choked up really hard.

I was like, what's going on here? And to this day, it's still one of my favorite songs. When songs draw a motion, when songs draw emotion, it's... Yeah, not a surf is a song called Blonde on Blonde, and that one always gets me. And I listen to it while I was in New York. Can I be crucified here?

What? Landslide by Flew-Wood Mac. What's wrong? Flewled Mac is great! No, no, but it's just such a game-o-it-it-it-it-it-it. I don't choke up, but I'm like, that's a sad, it makes me sad. fucking brings my mood down. How's the chorus go? What's that song they use in Chris

Live? By Flewark. And I don't want to miss a thing. Yeah, I don't want to miss a thing. Let the bodies hit the floor. Let the bodies hit the floor. Always strokes me like that. Again, it makes me shed a little tear. I always put my head to the window pain. Most of the time I don't cry or get upset during a movie, it does happen.

But most of the time I feel like I save it up. And then like something stupid will happen, like a commercial come on. You like, oh! And like, all of a sudden, I'm just like, like oh fuck. No, Windex. You're like, oh, it's my kidding point.

It really is. Though I will say the last time I remember getting choked up, like at a movie, was Guardians of the Galaxy at the beginning when he's with his mom. Oh, dude, that was tough. That was tough. That scene just like with his mom and she, like, gives him the presents. And then he like, oh yeah, he like won't talk to her. Dude, I just blazed over that scene.

That was what the pussy stuff. Like, why did that bother me so much? Maybe because I hadn't been, I haven't. No, no, wait. Did you watch the movie? movie first and then go back and the second time you watched that you got choked up because you know no no i just saw i just saw a kid and his you didn't even you had no connection or cared about these people yet so why would it even bother you at that point you know what it caught me

off guard i didn't expect a movie to start that way you don't expect a movie to start i'll say this too i feel like a lot of this stuff you can choke them it's not even it's like it's like how you're feeling anyways it just it pinpoints it you're like it just narrows it down like If you hear a song and it's like talking about like something that happened to your life recently, and that's what it hits you. Or like a movie when it hits something, it usually hits the thing you're trying to forget about. And that's why it brings something out of you. Oh, yeah.

It's all your emotions. It's one fucking pinpillar. And then everything you hear and see all of a sudden, if something's going on relates to that. Absolutely. Oh, my God. And truthfully, when somebody's having a bad day, I always hear him say like, you know, I'm done with this shit. I'm going to go watch a movie. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And that's like a mind for you. It's like, yeah. Pick a good movie. like sadder than the beginning when he like opens the set oh yeah that's sad that's good so yeah the beginning made that sad but yeah when i first started i was like oh it's kind of cliche yeah i basically just blew my load 10 seconds into the movie and then by the end of it i was already you know the saddest shit ever is you felt victim the focus groups and everything that made people sad the sad the saddest shit ever is fucking froto and sam on the side of the mountain dying just the

sad or fucking harry potter hug and haggard at the end of harry potter too this is Oh my god, yeah, it was sad. It was sad as Alex Murphy walking through his house to fight his family moved away. They thought he was dead, Chris. No, that's funny. Frodo and Sam were like, you knew they were gonna live anyways. I mean, that this- No, you didn't, he goes finger bit off.

So, but I read the books, so I didn't know. I didn't know. Oh, you know what? I still get choked up every time that the T-800 drops himself into the lava at the end of T2. Of T2? He just a thumbs up and goes to the lava? That's the same. watch it by myself though I'm like yeah I'm just watching a movie it doesn't really

because he does a little thump and it's completely pointless like they put it the song they said you were watching it at the house the other day and when that scene came up Stanford was like oh I gotta go check my message he went into the office so I didn't know that that was actually what was happening now I was crying he was just crying he's alone on the couch he's forehead I was a little he did so much you said you were coming back I was a little fagin like breakup songs worked on me when I went through a breakup no let's fight whatever you go What you're going through, you'll see it everywhere.

There's so many break-ups. Either if you're in love or if you're breaking up, or if somebody die or anything, you'll see it everywhere. You mean break-up songs like, it really sucks that I broke up or breakup songs like, heartbreak ones. Fuck you, I'm glad that we broke up. I know, see, that was like a month after I listened to those ones.

I don't think it matters, because it's like, if you hear a happy love song, the whole time all I'm, like, if let's say you go through a bad breakup, hypothetically, and you hear a song about love, the whole time I'm just like, you fucking need it. And then when you hear a song about how love's shit, you're just like no I don't think I mean I don't think the ones would be like you fuck you don't I don't think you're gonna get any satisfaction with but the ones that are

bittersweet in the way where it's like you know little I I think those are the ones you guys are putting on all the wrong songs after a break up yeah what's that one song you put on like bomb bomb battlefield just totally unrelated I'm not putting these out these are fighting yeah I yeah man it sucks I just don't even I just keep pushing rewind as soon as he was not out of your man I just want that Look, you gotta put a crazy frog. But even a song like, even a song like a thousand, I would walk 5,000 miles. I would all, yeah, yeah.

Like even something like that, I'm listening, I'm like, you're a fucking idiot. Yeah, you're just wasted your time, asshole. Alright, next, we've got from Lost Quotes, if you could steal one personality trait from someone else in the group, what would it be? Interesting. What's a personality trait? Anything that makes up a personality? Like how happy someone is? How hardworking someone is?

Yeah, a personality trait. I don't think a personality, a personality trait wouldn't be talent. It would be charmed, charmed, or win or... It would be the ability. Responsibility or understanding or... Wanting to learn. Nick, I want to take your focus. Focus.

The way you can keep track of things and the way you're organized with things like that and the way you still commit to. things I need that but give me to me all you all yours I would capture I would steal Chris's ability to to learn different things very quickly yeah yeah Chris I would definitely steal that thanks I would get a sliver of that I'm gonna I never like when I first moved in with Chris I like I like I'd never think of like just being able to like learn how to do how to like make a game or something like now he just but that like he just does it so then I was like wait I'll just do

He's like, why don't you just like learn how to do it? He's doing it. Because I thought you had to go to college to do like all the shit. I'm like, ah, YouTube is the best college ever. Yeah. I learned ever, and Corey's the way this... Corey's the best animated in this group, hands down. I'll say that safely.

Corey, you never, you're self-taught completely. Um... You are. You just learned everything just from like looking some up and figuring stuff out. I think, dude, I've seen, I've seen people with degrees in college. Yeah. Debris who are fucking garbage. I'm not good myself, but, you know, it, it, if you want to learn something, you're gonna learn that anyways.

If you go to college with the expectation, you're just gonna walk, you're just gonna go through classes and get better, but you have no drive to get better, you're not gonna get better. If I just steal one trait from one of you guys, well, we've said a bunch of other people, so I feel like it's good to spread things around. I'd either take Zach's general intelligence

or Stamper's ability to, I don't know what the word is. Can I get half and half? It's not go through... What's that? Can I get like half and half of everybody? Just try it out. Everyone's just peeing a cup and Corey drank it.

I will absorb all your... You're not going to get any other traits, but you're still just... Well, no, I mean, yeah, so it's either Zex's just general knowledge of just so many different things. I know that's something I could work on, but, like, I feel like you retain stuff really well. Thank you, man. And despite the fact that I do read a bit, I don't feel like I retain very much. That was one of the biggest problems I had in college was that I had to memorize scripts all the time. And I have friends today that can, like, just rip out lines from plays we did together.

I cannot remember one word. I cannot. That's human nature. retaining things that are important to you as a person. Yeah, I'll tell you what, if I read something I didn't care about it, we just all go, like, the fact that I'm enthusiastic about it is why I know about it. Vingo. You know what I mean? Because I went through school.

I'll say this, like, I was terrible a man. I failed two years in a row. I passed high school stuff. Same here. Passed high school stuff, but I can't do that. But, for example, when I went to astronomy class, I went in there, didn't study once because I already knew everything. I got A's all of my tests. But again, in other subjects, I studied hard, fucking did.

poorly. So it just... They have a hard time gauging interest in students. If you're interested, you can remember anything. There's a lot of people that are very interested in math. I love the maths when I was in school. Why... Why shove people through that funnel

if they don't give too fucks about math? The school system is baffling to me. It literally just kind of came up by kind of improvising stuff. I guess we just what do kids do all day? I guess we just put it in order to tell them what stuff. But it's... The point of school is the scatter a shot because we're very, very fortunate. So school has lost. Yeah, but

after 12 years, you'd think that you would have a better idea of what your strength or what you were interested in. That's the point of school, though. Everybody off top should understand what you're excelling at and what you and they should focus on that. Simply don't understand. They do that in England though. As far as I know, you only take three subjects

in your last like four years or something. What they do here, I go into real detail. The point of like society is like everyone has to work. Everyone has to do something. So you put kids, because average people don't know what want to do. Most people who are 18 or 20 or 30 don't know what they want to do. We're very fortunate that, but most people don't know what they want to do. And so the idea of school is to show everything at, to fucking throw everything at them for like 12 years.

And hopefully they go, yeah, science wasn't that bad. I get art. Okay. But in a little bit of that, that defense is like, you still don't know what I want to do. A little bit of that defense is like you won't know until you try it, like in some ways. No, I agree that, but at some point if you're doing a horribly, horribly, horribly, it's something. I'm never going to have to do a long... If you're clearly not showing any interest and you were bombing And you're bombing hard, exactly. It's depressing. Dude, I was in pre-algebra for three

years and then dropped out of high school. Not because of pre-algebra, but everything else. It was just like, I'm not a math person. I don't understand numbers. I think most of the things I learned actually were completely useless to what I'm doing. I forgot 95%. Everything, by the way, Vic, took back what you said. Everything I know now,

like everything that I don't attain all the knowledge I have and stuff, not all of it, but the stuff I know about is stuff I learned about actively out of interest. I don't remember anything from high school. Anything. It's all gone. And I would say on that same note, Chris, I bet it's the same thing, like, as far as things that you do remember. So you're saying everything from school you don't really care about, but everything you do care about and no, I bet you learned after school.

Or Dirk school, separately. Okay, let's listen to this. Yeah, or Doreings, you were sitting at home doing it. Yeah, exactly. Think it with this way. I was forced to learn Irish language. None of it's left in my brain. Mathematics.

None of it's left in my brain. Geography is like good, but I don't need to know about tectonic plates or any of that shit. So that's all gone. Uh, history, I like learning about that, but that was gone when I was in high school, because I just didn't get that as a subject. Uh, biology was good. What else was there? Religion. I have to learn about religion.

At the same time, I do think it's good to have it, to have an educated public. I forgot. It's good for, it's good for Americans to point where Iraq is on the map or whatever. You know, stuff like that I get, but there's a difference between that and fucking forcing kids to learn trigonavitry when they're fucking, you know, when they're super interested in big theater. Like, I don't know any art history is boring. No, exactly. It was all shitty pictures, except for the Renaissance. You know, but if that's your thing, like, my cousin Aaron is a god in math.

And you go up to one of his speeches, and he'll just sit and say, here's my hypothesis here. And he will leave you in the first 10 seconds. You won't understand anything he's saying. You know, granted, he's part of my family and all that, but that's what he excelled. That's what he cared about. At the same time, he probably bombed Homech, art, everything in between because he was so focused on math. It's so infatuated by you. And then maybe...

But let them be good at that. Exactly. Yeah, absolutely. Like, why grade every human being on their level of understanding on every topic on the planet? If you're amazing at math, you're more valuable than if you're kind of good at everything.

Sure. You're more valuable. And then drop all the other subjects out and say, dude, you're going for math. Or at least you significantly kind of tone them down a little bit, man. I hated math. I was... I fucking hated math.

I still have to read numbers backwards. I don't understand numbers front ways. I know basic math. And kind of... on my fingers and I'm still at that skill level. I never learned long division. No, who cares? It's like you don't need to know that kind of shit. It's really embarrassing. I'm fucking, I'm a grown man now and I still have to count the rent out on my fingers. I'm a grown man. I don't understand the numbers. I'm a grown man and I go into a fucking restaurant and I'm like,

okay, uh, what's 15% of $20? What I do is I do 20% all the time because it's easier. I was going to say, here's a fun tip of everybody. If you're a restaurant, then you took 20%, it's super as The only take, all you do is take the first digit, if it's a two digit number, if it's $20, take the first digit multiply by two. Yeah, but what if it's $29? What if it's $29? Rounded up. Okay, there you go. $30. So $3.00, $6 tip. Yeah. So wait, and if everyone here, who likes Mats? I know. I like it. I liked it. I liked it. I liked it, but I was bad at it.

Okay, but I was just about to say I thought artists were more like, I was going to say artists pretty much don't like Mats, but no, because two of them. It's not that it's, it's more like, um, no, I respect it. I respect it. I respect it. I, I admire it respected. You could, like, for example, it all ties together. Like, color theory is all math. You could pick colors that match with math. You don't have to have an eye for it. And I also think design... I think design... I think design...

Yeah, I mean, that's not a hand-in-hand, but I do think that they're... I was about to say that. At the same time, me and Mick both, like, code and stuff, so we kind of use both, but we use it... We use coding for, like, uh, make-related things. Like, Mick uses it for, like, uh, making websites, and I use it for... And you need to know math for that. You need to know, you have to understand. You know, it's funny, because some people,

would say that a lot of math people are good musicians. Yeah, that's true. I've heard, I mean, I've heard that correlation too. I'm just like, the thing is, no, I wasn't saying that was a fact. I was just seeing if that was the case here. Math is not funny. Well, how many people are left-handed in this group? Not me.

You. Oh, yeah. I thought, for some reason I thought you were lifting. No, right-handed. I'm in Normie. All right. Wait, wait, I want to say something. Stamper.

Have you ever talked about Vince Van Gogh on the podcast? Uh, I might have cracked on him once. Okay, I was funny. Because I thought your opinion on him was funny. I don't think any of us know that. What's your appeal, Vince Viggo? Well, I thought it was a hack. Damn, dude.

Just drop the ass. What did that pussy walked around? He'd go step up. What about that one dude? What about that one dude who drew... Look, I'll put it this way. I'll put it this way. What's up, man?

Heard you been talking shit. My buddy... Rick told him about what you were saying. I talked about my back, man. Oh, yeah, I saw a story night. It was great, Mr. Van Gogh. I also saw a painting next to it that was photo realistic before photographs even existed, and they painted it with Barry's.

Damn, dude. What the for did that come from? Oh, boo-hoo. You cut your ear? off all. Stop it. Stop it. Stay why you don't like him. It's funny. What's that one fucking, what's that one painter? That one dude who makes faces look like Picasso. I hate Picasso. I don't like that's a thing. Like Van Gogh and Picasso, they all went through phases of what they did. I think you can't totally hate it. And truth of it's, he's a

creator. So I cannot really that I really hate Van Gogh. As far as art goes, I think Picasso. I hate Jackson Pollock. I'll say that much. Maybe Picasso has maybe two pieces I think are good because it looks like he put effort into it, but for the most part, I mean, in my opinion. Colin, if he uploaded his picture to the liberal art portal, what would the review, what would you review? What would you leave him? It would you score them. It would you score. Wait, what about that guy who did the camel soup?

Yeah. I'd be like, oh, how cute. Are you pulling off a fucking, what's his name? You pulling off a Tim Schaefer look? He'd respond. He'd be like too long, get a real, L.O.L. What about the dude who did the Campbell soup in the Maryland Monroe shit? What was his name again?

Andy Warhol. Yeah, like, he was kind of shit. He was the first meme maker, as far as I'm concerned. I don't know. Why is it kind of super interesting? He just copied other people's shit and didn't recolored it. He was... Because it was presented in a way that you've never seen it before. What can I show... Jackson Pollock holds the record for the most expensive painting ever sold. Really? And he's up there. And it's one of those bullshit fucking splatter paintings. And I can't stand it. Oh, it's one of those ones? Oh, I hate those ones. Fuck that. You've never heard of Pollock before? No. I know I'm going to get crucified for this, but the dude was a fucking hack.

No, if it's one of his splatter things. Aolic and I'm glad. Looks like the Art Attack logo? Fuck that. They have like art museums where they glue hair to cheese and they're like, it's realism. It's realism. It's all emotion. I just had to let my emotions out.

I heard some of the reasons that really stuck in me. It's like, you know, I think art went from like expression plus talent to just expression. Yeah. Anybody can express themselves. It doesn't make you a fucking artist. It's not a girl standing on price. It's doing something and then somebody else like perceives. For some-reception, painting a photo realistic landscape with creativity and weirdness put it to do it. That's art.

I saw it. Hang your attire from a different tires, that art. I actually think Free Bleed McGee is a really one of my favorite artist. She's that one chick who bleeds on things. Oh yeah, the Spaghetti-O-Yeah, right? I saw this video. She's a good artist. It's supposedly... It was three naked people rolling around a crowd of people and they had to, like, hold them up while they were, like, going around. Yeah, it's catamari-Masie.

These people in the audience didn't know what was going on. Just naked people had their ass in their face. And they're like, Jesus Christ, that was art for some reason. They were just rolling down the thing. I think anyone calls everything art, because like you said, expression. Expression is love for it. I don't think so. I'm sure there's a school of people that argue otherwise.

I feel like it's a crapshoot. It's like rolling dice. Like, Zach, you could dip your hand in a bucket of black paint and then just whip it at a canvas and then just wait for somebody to say, oh, that really speaks to me. And then you can sit and bullshit them for a couple hours and be like, here, here's what I was thinking about.

But truthfully, you whipped black paint. Yeah, exactly. literally fucking add a million things to it. You see all these black dots, those are all the African Americans that aren't getting, they're just cause. And I also think that the people who think that they're good are all like bullshitting themselves because they want to seem like they're higher up than other people. They're just snobs. Go to eBay, type in painting, and then sort it from highest price to lowest price. And you will see exactly what I'm talking about.

I was about to say that. I would be like, you know what artists. It's all splatter paintings. Dudes ask him buy it now price for $5 million. I could just waiting for it. I could sit in my bare ass and paint. and then sit on a canvas and say like it's a beautiful butterfly. You could do what that one guy does and pump paint up his ass and spray it out on canvases.

Someone does that? Well, that one up me. And there's the other dude that like ties wires to his back and then he covers his whole body with paint and just swings into canvases like Spider-Man and then he sells those. It's bullshit. I'd probably buy one. You've never seen this side by sides where it's like... Granted, it's not that it's not creative, but it's still bullshit. It's not like... Give me a break.

There's no expression. That's literally what it is. He swung his body in a thing. I was obviously was side by side by a famous artist or a five-year-old. It's like, side-by-size-by-side. I've been seen them. That sounds amazing. Because they think like a five-year-old, I think there was, like, a couple years ago.

There was a five-year-old who was like throwing paint on a canvas and it was selling for a fucking lot of money. They did that in New York. There was like that abstract museum and then they intentionally did that where they got a bunch of finger paintings from first grade kindergarten students. And they hung them all up and then all these art critics went there and they were like, oh, I love the use of color. But it was children that did them. Exactly. That's my point. It's exactly it.

They don't know what they're talking about. You think the dudes that like rate my poop.com, like they actually... That is over. They carried in a turd in a duffel bag or in a plastic container. I get those confused. And they went to one of the art people and they were like here. They showed them. There's like googly eyes and planted.

I remember a turd that was rated turn and had googly eyes looking back at you. Do you think he presented that turd to an art place and they gave him $4 million for? You know, cool it's fucked up, but I honestly think if you gave a petrified too, Googley eyes, to an art museum, they put it up. They would. Not only that, but I have... Because it's art. It's real. I don't even...

Realistically, when a poop comes out, it's looking back at you. That's the only thing it sees. It's looking up. It's not looking down. It's looking up. Until you wash it away. It's metaphor for the poor looking up in society, man. Some lady got, like, sued, because she was, like, a janitor at an art museum, and she threw a bunch of garbage into a trash can, and the artist was like, that was art! And it just got her in trouble. What the fuck?

So there is a village in Germany. Cleva, Germany, and you can look it up. And at the top of this village, there's a... There's a hill. The whole thing's built on a hill, and there's a castle at the top. And this whole village, Cleva, is famous for an artist that they had. It's one of the things that are famous for. They had an artist that was very famous there. And he got so pissed off that everybody loved his work.

No matter what he did, everybody would say, oh, yes, amazing, amazing. And they'd come. And he got so pissed off at it. He was like, finally he just pooped in a box. And everyone fucking loved it. Not only did they love it. If they put ghouly eyes on it. No, if you, they should have.

If you go to the castle, it is the centerpiece of the museum of the floor that is dedicated to him. It is literally the biggest F you to himself that he could have possibly done. That's what I'm saying. That's why art works and that's why comedy works. The first rule of comedy is people always laugh and they're always receptive of things that they've never seen before. That's why things are funny. That's why it triggers in your mind. You do something, you know, never mind a meme.

A meme is funny or something random is funny the first time you see it. I feel like people will see that and try to be artificially random. Right. Yeah. You try to be artificially creative and say, oh, good. But they're still missing the point. It's all something you've never seen before. It's like, again, like there was another gallery in New York that the centerpiece pieces was a pig's head.

They cut off the head of a pig and they put it in a confined acrylic box. And the art piece was watching the pig's head rot and just you gather bugs. and do all that. And every time you went back and you saw you just see the pig head rot. And it's something that nobody's seen before, but that's art. And people paid astronomical amounts of money

to see a fucking pig head rot in a box. But it's all something that nobody's seen before. That's all it is. And it works with a lot of stuff. Well, I was going to say, that's probably why if you look at the paintings that are the most expensive, they're the ones that look just like random-ass bullshit.

Because if you have a painting that looks like something else, your mind can comprehend what you're seeing. And you might even be able to put a value on that but if you're looking at paint splatters or some like weird abstract piece of shit because you don't quote unquote understand it you try to fill in the blanks and all of a sudden the worth of it is so much because because what it's undefined well tell you it's almost like it's self-appreciation or it's like you get you assign it your own words so you're kind of assigning yourself that

price the more you're interpretation the more you're equivocating you're really paying for your own opinion this is what I feel it is and I feel this is the best example and this is what I you know what I mean I want to hold a focus group for paintings I want to show one painting and then bring 20 people in and say write your honest opinion down on this piece of paper and every opinion it's going to be a fucking travesty at the end of it because nobody's going to have the same that's what they're capitalized you know that's what they're doing and they're saying that's the art I'm sure I'm sure that they would say well that's the point is that people interpret differently no what they're saying is you just don't

understand it yeah yeah yeah exactly if you pay enough money then what's 22 is sometimes you even have the artists be like you know those somebody else who painting, like, oh, it's a, it's a metaphor for all the Jews killed in the Holocaust. It's like, it was drawn to Apple. It's like one of those, a different angle. It's like one of those bullshit movies that has like an ending that's just open to interpretation. Yeah, yeah. So everyone's, everyone's in forums, like, no, it meant this.

It's like, oh, you're stupid, it meant this. Oh, no, you're stupid. It meant this. It's easy to panned people's personal. Because like if you read a book, it's like you imagine what the big character looks. Like it's the best version of your head. So it's a really kind of an easy way to get out of things. I think the other big you said, you know, the left

interpretation I think so really lazy because it's like literally it's what the person wants to be the audience is so terrified that they're not getting at their job that they're like oh you decide man oh fuck i'm not right i'm not right i'm not right i think there are cases where like if you've set it up right i feel like there are times maybe it could be kind of fun and playful but if it's so lazy it's just like i don't know you decide so last thing so you think do you think when i see an amazing painting done by somebody in fucking 1824 um i look at it in a technical way but most people don't respect it, they're upstairs looking at all the contemporary art. I'm looking at it in this way, but it's something that everyone's seen before, so they don't care about that.

Definitely. Well, it's the other people do is they look at, okay, that's... They see these amazing marble statues before, like, anyone really knew how to carve marble, and you're like, wow, nobody I know in this entire lifespan could ever carve a human statue out of marble with that kind of detail. In fairness, though, they became, like, they became, um, what's called, like, not in terms of... But what's the word when they someone takes them on to do the to help them? Apprentice. Yeah, they became them when they were like 14 and that's all they did until they were 20 something. It's still amazing work, but people always look at it. Like the corner of their eye and they just walk past it.

Well, it's because because they know it is, right? They can see, okay, this is this person's skill level, this is this person, this is how long it probably took them. This sort of looks like that I did a... But if you walk up, it's pretty... Basically, it's self masturbation. That's what people are pandering through these days. It's self masturbation. It's, you know, it's you, it's you, it's you, it's you produce.

rejecting your own opinions in whatever, you know, whatever you want it to be. Like it actually matters. I was going to say, when I look for art, the things I'm looking for in art is two things. Either a half-naked girl or the art is like, you know, it's a path, but it's like a unique kind of style. Like there's that one art piece where it's like the path is constantly going up, but it tricks your eyes into thinking it reset. In Escher? Yeah, that was an Escher. Yeah, that stuff to me is really cool.

So something that you look at that fucks with your vision, like something that if it, like you look at a dog, in the middle and then like you can see shit other than that my opinion that kind of art is you talking about optical illusions yeah it is fun art though i want that to me is cool i would actually rather have a piece of optical illusion that's what i'm saying you're talking about like on facebook or stare at the dot yes yes i want that on my wall square yeah i want that on my wall with a naked girl next to it it's perfect it's like this keeps your attention and this keeps your attention or she quoted and then when you look at the dot and then look at her that would be perfect cold

Cory put the dot in her pussy dude it's both no what I mean if that Corey you can do that that's a crew all and then like since it like makes your vision all fucked up you like look at her and then her tities are twisting and it's like kind of like you know what I'm saying is for the kids out there hey kitties if you want to have nudie picks up in your house okay you can do some cool optical illusion stuff where like you have to stare at like a green dot for five seconds and then look at the picture and you'll see this beautiful Pussy audulating

naked guy girl whatever you like what do you think Let's do it I'm saying if you just walked into the room your parents would never know they'd have to be staring at green and red dots To go back a couple Yeah get a pot in the pussy Thank you So you need a fucking decoder ring to enjoy it Next question we need to go on the next question all right so next step from potato ring work with a dot pussy go on because you look put the label

on and it tells you which picture to look at because it matches up in the clitor and now anyways all right boys yeah B Biscuit asks what's an easy to learn hard to master aspect of animation oh there's a new one easy to learn the hard to master easy to learn well I would say this uh I would say all the principles of animation general there's probably five or six things that you really need to know when you're animating it's easy to learn what those are and know what those are and though you have to do those but applying them but to actually apply those in You would have said that like a nice dance is super hard.

Here you go. Keyframing. People think like, yeah, you can do key framing simple. You get to the first point, to the last point, but there's a lot of stuff you kind of have to know. There's a lot of moving parts moving in different rates. Yeah. It's not hard. It's tedious.

Everyone has a different method of animating. Yeah. Everyone in this room right now animates in a very different way. So you can't say that it's hard. Well, it's hard for me. When somebody's asking, they're looking for a direction in that. And there is no direction because everybody does think. their own way. If I opened up one of Zach's files, my mind would be blown and vice versa.

And anyone else in this room. Everybody does things very differently. It's all about your bottom line and how you want to get it out. It's it. You will find your own way of doing stuff. I would just say feel it out. Look at everything you have and try to apply it your own way and you'll find your own formula. You'll find, oh, this way works for I click with this way. And I was just talking about flash too. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Flash too. So There's other programs and other methods. There's other than you could do a CG, you can do puppet animation, you can do tweety, you can do frame by frame, you can do limited frame by frame, you can do a million different things. Stop motion.

For me, though, for me though, it was keen in getting that down. For me, because they asked what we, what is hard, and for me it was getting keys and following through with the keys because you put a key and then you go through with it. But for me there was always like, I had to kind of had to learn how many frames would go in between that or if I wanted to exaggerate certain things. And then sometimes I would change the keys or add in at more keys because I didn't like how those keys were laid out. What I tried to do, and this is what I try to do in general now with the animation, I think it's the easiest thing to do is it's really easy to get carried away and do things straight ahead and do kind of micro-manage everything. But what I do is I do key frames. I set, I basically I divide it more and more and more. So maybe the end of this animation has 50 frames, but I start up for two.

So I do key-frame, key-frame, then I put one in the middle there and it'll break down. Got to put ones between those. They put ones between those. So I kind of happen constantly. It's like a cell dividing. For me, it's kind of like what I do is since I'm doing like game development, so I'm doing characters constantly. I have full bodies to work with. But I have them kind of not in a T shape like bullshit 3D, but just in their standard stand position.

And I pretty much take their area of perspective. And I work within that area. So if they're punching, they're by, I take their. static position and I draw them punching over that kind of like an oh like that's the overlay for me and if they're like surprised or anything I use the original static position and that's pretty much how I do keys and it retains the same shape so you don't get that wonky off the shape things because you have your original thing you were following you were just moving with that and I do that a lot for animation now like if I have a key I'll work within the key I'll take the head

and if the head's supposed to be looking up I'll draw within the head if he's looking forward but I just know the perspective is looking up, so I kind of got to figure out the chin shape. And then you adjust the body later if you have to compensate that. But you have the body there as a reference theory. That's kind of what onion skinning is, though. Yeah, it's like you set an onion skin layer, and fucking Jeff has completely warped my way of animating, I'll be honest,

in a good way. Before it used to be more like really freehand. Wait, where is Jeff? Oh, yeah. On his way here. He didn't honk his horn like he's supposed to because it's kind of like the uniformal rule. You know, the Jeep guys fucking voted off the road of badbecks, dude.

They fucking crashed into them. They all bull them off the street. Jeep guys beep at each other? Basically, if you don't honk your horn or wave at them or, you know, acknowledge other jay people when they wave at you, they will fucking hunt you down. They really guys you too. No, but is that actually a thing like that they do honk at each other? Yeah.

He's recording Evo right now. Yeah. In his underwear. He's Tebow and Evo. With a sweatband on. Next question. W. Bolendorf asks,

What complications have you run into over the course of season one of Sleepycast and how have you overcome them? Examples given technical issues, scheduling conflicts, etc. I would say, I don't know if we've overcome. I feel like we've gotten better and not fucking up as much. I feel like the biggest thing, you know, a lot of people don't hear themselves talk a lot. So when you first hear yourself, it took me a couple podcasts to kind of talk slower and talk more people clearer. And it's also a lot of people, yeah, a lot of people also. have little quirks or say a certain word a bunch of times literally or something, whatever it is.

And you go, oh, fuck, you try to correct that. So I think that was the most interesting thing. It was kind of listening to yourself talking, going, oh, God, that's what I sound like and trying to be more concise and stuff. And also a new thing so that we do that, like, you know, just so everyone's on the same kind of page is that, like, I'd edit it. I'd do, like, a kind of, like, one edit, and then I'd send it over to, like, Stamper or Chris or someone or Mick to, like, just refine it. It's a, it's a surprise. It's like a Model T line, right? Yeah, yeah.

I think one of the biggest complications you run into, especially when the group gets bigger and bigger, is talking over each other. And that was something that we still work on. And I feel like we've done a pretty good job considering the amount of people that are in the podcast talking and just like our personalities. So I think that that was definitely one of the bigger. The first like four episodes, I didn't know what to fucking act like. Because it was just weird putting a microphone in front of you for like the first few. The same thing as being on camera the first few times. It's like, ugh.

What am I supposed to do? but it just get used to it and you just act normal was that it as far as complications I feel like I mean you know sometimes their fucking recording equipment died in that shit

but we figured it out I think you know yeah definitely we've had some there have been times where if I could spill the secrets after all these months there was

episode five the rogue finger we did that entire Christmas versus Halloween debate and it deleted yeah so the one you hear was we all defeated

Stamper like walked out we were all just like oh my god that was so first reading and Stamper came back with some beers he was like let's just do this again man yeah and then it was so funny because we're like we're so calm we're like oh man we're so defeated and then Stamper goes anyway fucking Chris and like you just went right back and so that that whole debate we pretty much already had but i think we added enough to it to where it felt organic and really yeah yeah so if you listen to if you listen to whatever stamper whatever i'm really the exact point it was whatever with the idle cut up whatever i was talking about easter or something and stamp was like anyways christmas

I think we actually made up a user, I think we made up a person who asked the question. I think we made up a fake person. We don't know anybody asked that question. Oh, because I'll tell you what happened was, I was talking about Easter. It just very naturally went into Christmas and Halloween. But we had to come back to it. I can't remember how we segue to it. So we said, okay, this person asks, which is better?

That person doesn't exist. I didn't even know that. Really spilling the beans, Zach. We're in deep waters now, Zach. There's a scaled hit on clause. Well, while we're here, why don't we just let it all hang out? I feel so good to have that off my chest after all these moments. I know, I know.

Editing that Halloween podcast was a fucking nightmare. Oh, why? Is that why it was so short? Yeah, it was like a lot longer, but it got like, so we're all sitting around here, and then fucking, uh, it got to the point where no one knew what to do, and we were all improvising, and it got really stressful. And then Jeff literally, like, left, so then we wrote that into it where he got lost. And then we started killing off people, and that's what we started killing off people, was because Jeff left, and we just decided to do that. And then I had to fucking rearrange that. fucking rearrange all the portions of that podcast to, like, flow naturally.

Yeah. And I had to fucking put in all the sound effects, and that was a fucking... I think that's one of the complications. I mean, it seems obvious to us that editing is a big part of it, but I think there are certain people that have this, have a misconception that it's basically just... We just word vomit and then print it. Go. No.

But I have to give Corey props, because at first he was... All the ones of Corey in it were so difficult to edit, but now he's so, like, calm and knows, like... Good job, Corey. Very good boy, Corey. Yeah. Thank you. I think eventually, though, because a lot of people would ask me, what kind of improvements would you like to make? I think eventually I'd like to, I think a good actual proper mic setup would be when we each have a microphone at some point.

I think we start off at once, though. Yeah, I think it brings the point where we all have an auto microphones, we all have a good audio quality. We don't have like, you know, interference in the background. I mean, that's a point we'd like to get to. I'd like, you know, more, obviously people have asked for those too, but I'd like more commercials and more written stuff kind of fun improvies. Yeah, I would love that. That would definitely add to it. Yep, that's a plan. That's definitely much.

When we do revisit this in the future fall, I really feel like there will hear, people think, like, oh, it's going to be reimagined. It's like, no, basically what's going to happen is we're going to take the time to regroup because, I mean, to be honest, this all happened so fast. The Patreon happened. Patreon happened, and like, within two months, we met, like, fucking six goals. So it was just like, oh, okay. And none of us, everyone already had full-time jobs. So we had created all these issues already. And I feel now with this new season, we can buy the shit we need.

We can prepare ahead of time. So none of this, oh, Friday, sorry, on Saturday, maybe Tuesday, none of this kind of stuff. It will be kind of leaving it will be out every Friday at a time, which we will have an actual time frame when we do it again. So everyone can expect it within a certain time. And also, I think something else, I would say, don't consider the air quote. season two of this podcast to be like a reboot or like a reimagining. It's not a reboot. It's just what this should have been from the game.

This kind of just had, we get the pilot. I guess we just do it like this for that one. It's like a trial. It's kind of like a trial. It's kind of like the kind of, okay, this will get wrong. We call this like a pilot season. Pilot season, like a very long pilot. They've got up for eight months, yeah. What is that two hours times 30?

Oh, it's even more than that because of the last episodes, too. I think there's almost 100 hours of Oh my God. How many days is that? That's like four days. I think there is. If it's not 100, it's 75 or 80. I mean, it's a lot.

It's up there. Yeah. Next question. Super Dukiness asks, do you think that traditional animation will ever make a comeback to the big screen? That's a really... If you're talking about, if you're talking about a TV show film adaptions, like a Family Guy movie, a Simpsons movie?

No, no, no, no. I think they're asking... Like Disney. Yeah, is there going to be another Lion King? I'd like to think, but I don't think immediately, no. Yes, and we'll make it. Underground, yes. Mainstream, though.

Yeah, I don't think Disney. You know, maybe you'll get like a weird up one here and there or something. You get that 3D, 2D shit. It's so much. Yeah, I don't think it'll be full on 2D. I feel like you get like, what's that one paper made or whatever called? You get that. You get something like that.

You're not going to, I don't think you're going to see full. Oh, Tuditos are trying to produce content and they're going to do it as efficiently as possible. Exactly. That's what I was going to say. Like, drawing every single frame is too complicated while you can have a model that you can move around is much more practical. Traditional animation, it's really charming, but at the same time, as much as I respect it, it is very... It's really... It's really.

It's really. I'll say this, right? I love 2D. I'm a fan of 2D. I love to see it coming back, but I completely understand why it left. If I was the head of a company, I was in the exact same thing. Well, the bottom line is you're trying to put up something anime. Those new Mickey Mouse Shards Disney is... I love, though. Here's a thing though, where 3D has gone in my appearance,

opinion, there is stuff that's a little eh, but there's also stuff that's very impressive. Like Sony Animation Studios, which did like Hotel Transylvania and, um... Is that good? Claudia with a chance, yeah, it's great. Claudia with a chance of meatballs. Yeah. Uh, though, the way it's animated is exactly like a traditional cartoon. It's very stretched.

I've actually seen the smears and... Exactly. And you can see like some of the... What's the other thing? Smeres and... Watch and stretch? No, no, no, where you see like multiples. Oh, that is...

Exactly, yeah. You can actually see them but in 3D. They do that. In Transylvania was the same way. Oh yeah, I saw that in the trailer. That new Peanuts movie looks really fucking. Yeah, exactly. And that Pop-Rae trailer as well look great.

Yeah, like the Peanets would have little black lights. Except Papa, he looked like a little like hipster douchebag. Like he's like he completely lost everything that made him a man. Yeah, yeah. Like a fucking 24-year-old. Apparently, apparently their defense was it was a prequel story about how he got Twent Pie. My honest opinion though, it feels more like you can't, he can't be smoking a fucking like, like, wicker pipe.

wicker pipe and he definitely can't be having tattoos. Yeah. He's a sailor. You fucking... Not anymore. This is the kind of stuff. That's the... Corn cob.

Yeah, corned cop. What did I say? Wicker pipe? Same thing. Yeah. They're not making that anymore anyways. So basically, I feel like the 3D is intricating traditional animation stuff

into its department. And I do feel like what it was before, it's kind of experimenting. You get a lot of really experimental 3D stuff now. And I do think 3D is a good medium as well when it's done right I do think 3D can be lazy when it's done as soon I feel I feel like

there's almost a parallel to be said about 2D and traditional props and stuff there is a dry period in both film like where 2D died 3D took over completely for cartoons yeah and also at the same time there's also a point where traditional props and stuff data completely again CG took over yeah I feel

like now people are going okay you kind of exhausted that's true yeah so now you've seen a reintroduction of traditional stuff, practical effects and actual props. So I think you can be kind of

seeing a good balance of that kind of reemerging. Maybe not fully. I don't think it's totally to be fully back where it was in the 80s and 70s and 80s and 90s and stuff,

but I definitely feel like 2D is probably going to come back a little bit like it'd be used within 3D it'll be done differently but it'll be back in a way and I feel like same thing with traditional props.

It's fascinating to me how this happens like back then there was like retro games, right? And people were all about retro games and then like these like new

Age, like Gears of War introduce this new style where everything was very gritty and dark and gray. And then games come out and they try different things and then like evolve from there. But people are like when retro games come out, have a retro feeling like an old nest game you used to play. It has that nest style. People are really invested in it. And like for instance, I think Rocksmith is coming back again and people are all hyped about that. Like Rocksmith and like rock band is coming back. Like they're re-releasing Rock band because like it is, it came full circle. People got fucking tired of it but that tired is now away and people

are like, can we get a new game like something? I'm bored. I want to play a fucking rock band again. Yeah, rhythm games are coming back actually. Yeah, exactly. And that's what's happening. It's like things reset. Yeah. I mean, even shit like fucking haircuts and clothing stalls. I was just about to say that. Yeah. Like the 80s. I feel like

I feel like now like the hair, like it's like almost like the 50s and 60s are a weird way. When will it be acceptable to have a Hitler mustache again? Never. I think I think he knocked that out of the puck for a little while. That's going to set of the sidelines. Because there was a long period. I remember when having a pop collar was really douchey and faggy. But I guess it's come back because you do it all the time.

It's because I'm cool. But like even the beard thing was having a beard was kind of not really in stuff for a while. It's like the last couple years has kind of come back. Oh, it's come back a lot. It's come back quite a bit because of all the craft beer stuff. I already moves in cycles basically. I said beards. I did say beards.

Oh, I thought you said beer. No, you freak. I said beards. Oh. Well, there was a period when people were drinking a lot less beer. Break? Sorry. Yeah, no, beards are coming back.

I'm happy about that. Next question. I'm just waiting for a back hair and neck hair to come back. Shoulder hair is the word. Rocket Man, 49 asks, Which cartoon do you guys personally feel has the best balance of both engaging story and visuals? Lunetunes. Of ours?

Of ours. Tom and Jerry. Tom and Jerry. For story, though. Yeah, because they don't even need to talk and you just, you like... You know this story. Like, each one has applied, you can figure it. They don't even need to say words.

It's just... Golden boy. I was watching. That was great. Wait, is the question pretty much good, visuals, good story? Which cartoon do you guys personally feel has the best balance of both engaging story and visual? Ghost in the show? Golden Boy. Ninja Scroll.

I like Ninja Scroll. A ton of anime. I don't know, Akira? Yeah, Kira or Ghost in the show. Okira. Is there any Western ones that you guys like? Spongebob. Spongebob.

It's a good example. I'm on board with SpongeBob. It's really purely art style. All real monsters and butterly martians. I'll tell you, I'll think... I thought you was lost what you said I remember that had like one season didn't I I don't know

I think I think I think I think I think I think nobody said Dragon Ball yet well we said Western not anime I feel like I feel like asking like what's an artistic looking tune with story and visuals that tell the story I think for comedy doesn't even have to look amazing just needs to fit the comedy style like South Park

works perfectly well with the comedic pacing Like the comedic piece is snappy, the animation, you know, it's snapping, the animation. Wait, ask the question again? Which cartoon do you guys personally feel has the best balance of engaging story and visuals? The triplets of Belleville. Agreed. That was great. That was great.

That was great. Perfect. That was why I think people were probably expecting something like that and studio Jubilee Ghibli's and, uh... You know what? I respect the guy, but all these movies are kind of the same. I mean, you gotta, come on, come on. Yeah, there's like a fish person.

I hated Puneo. Oh yeah, I hate Ponyu. That's the one I'm actually specifically talking about. Pony is like really... It was cute, but it was... Pondio Panyu with fishy and fishy. All it was was just like, what, like a fish daughter eating ham and me enjoying it and then showing her fish dad and ham is good.

Yo, that Rondman looked delicious. Also, all your cartoons are all butts in. Never jumps, Corey. You can't crack on anybody. You literally just fucking said, do me honest, give me some. all same yeah they are yeah you know what great

and I did like how it's moving castle I did no I will yeah I will say Ghibli's food looks amazing in all of his fucking things if he didn't have food in his movies would we like them as much answer no the food makes it like you see the food you're like I'm hungry

Puneo's hand look deliciousness spirit is winning you could think of that review I would love to see that review on Rotten The ham look delicious. The movie was shit. Gray-Gray Silver asks, You have been hired to create your own show.

You have complete creative liberties. But your show must be in the two to five-year-old demographic. What would your show be about? Well, that's a good one. That's a really good one. It is, but, you know, I mean, I can't... Okay, I'll let you guys answer. I'd say multi-colored, um, well, I'm gonna call them tubbies, because they're fat.

And they have little TVs in this... Oh, and like, I'm like, I can't... Teletopies. Dicks on their heads. I'll say that. I'm gonna make a show where it's like a group of guys all wearing... Is that a roundabout way of saying how can we make things that are socially acceptable or... For two to five... yeah, I guess so. You have complete control, I guess, but the audience is two to five years old. What would you possibly do a show about?

Something with a lot of flashing colors. Next question. Yeah, I want to have a group of guys eating fruit loudly in front of the video. So they're watching... It's literally cool. It's a live-actually guy... Let's live actually video like four disgusting. No, and they're not disgusting. Some are disgusting, but some are fit, and they're just eating food, chewing against the TV.

What fucking crooks halfway through? He just dies. They all start laughing. That's what it is. I would do a... They eat food, and then they leave when it's done. Now, the question is, this is for your own, because if it was just for the sake of money,

I basically just create a Ray William Johnson show where I featured Minecraft Let's Players and two to five-year-old. That's a good idea. That's a good idea. Oh, no, I know. Two to five-year... It's a billion-dollar industry.

I think you're misconstruing what a five-year-old is. Here's what five-year-olds like. Yeah. I go beyond that. Next question, that's... I'll tell you what, I wanted to write a kid's book for a long time about a boy with a long pinky. And the moral of the story was, I don't call him a freak,

especially his one kid class. He made him on his long pinky. But one day, that kid chokes on something. It's a pinky. No, no, no, no, no. The bully chokes on food. And he uses his pinky to dig it out. No, he points out of it laughs.

He could use it to help him at the end. And that's the world my friends. Some of my feel like these are more like our cartoons than four-year-old jokes. Is it a pop-up book? You know what? If I could honestly make a show four kids, two to five, this is what I would honestly do. I would do a... The show would be whatever the normal length is, and it would just be other kids from other countries. I'm talking all over the world. Saudi Arabia, China, Japan, everywhere, and it's just other kids just playing.

That's it. And that's what other kids would watch other kids do. Other kids do. Other kids from other countries playing. I would have a good show. Kids in Kenya playing soccer and stuff. So you're sitting like there's these, you know, American kids watching television or they're in China or whatever. And it's for their kids and they're watching other

kids play. How they would play. Why four to five? The dude that asked that question, that's a really specific age range. I know. I think he's scoping out for ideas. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. What do kids like? What do kids like? Four to five, you can literally just

like him to laugh. You can hit pots together and like show like a pod getting hit and fucking kids will watch that. You don't need effort. You can just go to your fucking kitchen. You can go in your room. You can fucking spray windex. I'm trying to create a show again. It's Jingle. I'm trying to help. I'm trying to create a show that actually has a positive message. They already exist. Blues Clues, Door the Explorer, Chowder.

Keep going. Think outside the box. Wait, Stamper and I watched a cartoon on Netflix at the Office once. You remember that and it was like basically like they just had like a... Oh yeah. coloring book that was going on the Kran one dude we watched that for like four hours it was the same animation it was the same one it was the same plot it was a crayon who would come in and he would like get really egotistical and start fucking coloring the trees green which is right but then he would

start coloring the sky and the fucking sun and then the yellow crayon come out and be like no yeah yeah yeah so every episode had that same video like you color something wrong and then the right what color will come out go no what wait so is this like a conformist show where like you have to be within your lines and there was an interactive thing where all the crayons lined up and then you and it would always be the second to the last crayon and then we'd mean fucking wait back was certain taking bets on what crayon would be next we're like no dude black is coming next I'm telling you right now it was a bullshit show it fooled the audience I don't remember what it was called next question I would do a show like Mr. Rodney

I would create all wait log it up in the show where the parents leave and I go up to the camera like you motherfucker I'm gonna kill you I'm sorry but I'm gonna take my slippers off you want to take you You wanna take your slippers off to... Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, no, it's like one of those call and response shows. It's like, all right, now we take off our pants. I do a game show for two or five-year-olds. You're a big boy, take your pants out.

I do a game show for them, where there's a big huge pool of spaghetti that's swim in the other side to get their prize. You have one obese man dresses with spaghetti shark grabbing kids upon the... ...try spaghetti shark... You have a guy that dressed you up and fucking throwing meatballs and laughing, trying to hit the kids and make them... Is it like spaghetti after you just cooked it in the water? No, it's like a spaghetti?

swim through it? It's like the boiling spaghetti. It has the bubbles coming out. It's got like the sauce in it already. It's got the sauce in it. It's like spaghetti. They have to swim through the cold cooked spaghetti to get to the actual are you disqualified if you eat something. Yeah, if you eat that you go. If you get it, you die and the old man fucks you. Yeah, it has to four minute. And sure they have fun. This is for a five year old. This is your child. So you have four year old's trying to eat it and fucking suffocating in the soup before you They take the spatula. They whack you in the head with it if you eat the spaghetti. They fucking give you brain damn So the fat guy, pelting everybody, laughing like an asshole. They have a guy who'd spray with water.

Why didn't make the spaghetti was special? It's creative, alright? What's it called? Spaghetti Yeti and Fun Hour? Betty Spaghetti's Poole of Madness. There you go. It's great. Spaghetti Yeti's the host.

Wasn't the Gussi Yetiii screams? Who'sberry brothers? A kid show? Oh, the Gooseberry brothers? Yeah. No, not really. They were in like the apocalypse, weren't they? They were just Christians. The host could be a Yattie.

You can call it Spaghetti Yetin. We already did. He's been our character for like four years. They actually do have that. We had a character called Spaghetti the Yeti and Betty the Yeti and confetti the Eddie. If you look at the Helperin' Christmas, that's Yettys name is Spaghetti the Yeti. That's what his credit is. We have a whole backstory for that guy.

Stay tuned for that, folks. Yeah, I got a pony name one trick, too. Oh. Fuck you. Fuck you. Speaking of, My Sunday Drive asks, if you could send a letter to your past self, what would it say? Don't start sleepy cabin.

He's a long letter. He's going to get this letter. LDR, you just tossing the mail. Sleepy cabin doesn't even exist. You know, it's funny, Stanford ever sent himself a letter in the mail, it wouldn't matter because he's tossing the garbage anyway. Damn, dude. I pay my bills.

How come, like, fit people always have the smelliest farts? I'm not fit. Because they eat more protein. But I ate a bunch of ribs. Oh, that looks. And pig ears. Sending a letter to our past selves? I would say...

You're a faggot. No, I would say, look behind you. Period. You know what? My letter would say, maintain your composure. That's all it would say. I would just fuck with them. I'd be like...

Go to this address at exactly 12 o'clock in night, carry a gun. You have the amazing ability to send a letter to your past self and you're going to play a prank on him? That's genius. But your future self will turn into a nervous faggin' if you do that. No, it would be a different timeline. Doesn't matter. Oh. If it's a different timeline, yeah, I did the same way. Yeah, exactly.

A boy, you take it to the hills have eyes capped. Poor, you have all the opportunity in the world and you're the kind of guy that would like give him a can of green beans and say, hide this. various when information will follow. Just to fuck with him. To fuck with you. I'd send back a lotto number, a winning lotto number of that week. I wouldn't want a butterfly effect on the lotto number, so I'd have to do it for that specific week that I got there.

That's all. That's good. Very, very... You're like Biff. We're fucking back to the future, dude. You're going to use your power to get rich. Correct. And then I take all that money and make cartoons.

And make a TV show for two to five-year-old kids. I always tell me, nice tits. I get really sad. My pass up and open that up and look at it, get really depressed, so the clothes a letter. I'd send a picture of me so that he is motivated

to not look like me. You would just... Like, you would, 14 years. I would take a picture for my copy, like, why's bigger, dude? I'd send a picture of myself blowing another dude

and be like, this is your future. 10 years, smiley face. I would give him like a portfolio of all the art I've drawn now and be like, get ready because you have to do that now. But you wouldn't,

because you already haven't. No, what you're going to say is, be better than this. And then he would send me a card back and he'd be like, can you give me lessons? And then I would send him a letter back. And he'd be my personal pay. Would you fuck, Corey? Do you like training old you to do things?

I give him tips. I'll take him like, Corey. He'll take him that same amount of time. Would you fuck past Corey if he was dealt for it? Yeah, I put anthrax in the envelops when he opens it. It hits him right in the face. Yo, mine would be a bullet list. It would say, number one, don't trust women.

Number two, learn how to cook. Number three, do you know how to change attire? You need to. It would just go down like that. It would just be like life knowledge. You don't believe he's gonna think he got this is all the shit that you tell yourself now though. You don't need to send a letter to your past You just do it right now. I know but I know that already Oh I see so you wouldn't have to deal with all that now listen if you did get a letter I walked over the coals I understand if you got that letter It's like that parent thing where the parents try to tell you give you advice like you should brush your teeth and floss your teeth so do you don't pull out

Blah blah but then it takes you experiencing it for you to actually let it sink in right so if you got a girlfriend and... Right, so if you got a letter from yourself telling you to do all of these things wouldn't you just read letter and be like, yeah, fuck you? So what you need to do is give them something cryptic that they could actually figure out, like you can't give them blunt knowledge or realistic advice because nobody's ever

going to take that. So you have to give them a puzzle piece to figure out later. That or a camera, if I saw my face telling me that, I'd probably believe it. I just got a letter. Serious question. If you were to case of fart in a container and sent it back to him, would it smell? You mean like in a ball jar? No, it's going back in time.

Was it like a box? Absolutely it would still smell. It's not like you can come in a jar, set it back, and then it gets sucked back in your dick. How do you know? Well, you're right. Technically, the fumes aren't dissipating in the future. No, this is the past.

All right, so. I'll tell you what, Corey, because only a certain amount of particles can exist in that universe so it would suck a fart at someone else's ass. You'd kill someone else, Colin. You'd deprive of the fart. I don't think anyone's figured that out yet

because if you're intelligent enough to create time travel, but the first thing you're going to do is not fart the fucking... And then hope that he goes back to... You don't know me very well. You fart... You fart, you find... You like write what you wrote on the box.

You'd be like... Does it smell? They send it back to me, it'd be like... It smells like a new, like a... Like a wet part. You say like, like, ribs and beads. He's like, what does this mean? He opens up.

Fuck, dude. Put a note on the top that says, don't open until right now. Open immediately. No, but I mean, like, it sounds like I'm being, like, silly, but no, I'm actually. seriously serious, like, technically would it be a fresh fart or would it be a fart that's like, you know, it's... It doesn't exist yet.

I feel like if you send anything back in time... Oh yeah, the fart didn't exist yet. So maybe they open the box and it's not even in there. Yeah, and he sends it back with things. Then the box wouldn't be there. Yeah, but the letter would be there. Quill, you look at a picture if you're fog your wall and says fade to your ankle and you gotta go back and save it. Can't go back and save my last fart?

Just like a little green cloud and it keeps fading away. Earth Angel. That's about... I drop his cell phone in so he can call me. He'll have my plan since it's me. What did you say to? What would you say to? Cell phone powers would exist?

Depends on how far back, actually. Yeah. What if it's in the exact same area and I have the same plan? You haven't moved from the Newground's office. You're still working at that desk 30 years. No, the plan. Like the same, like, phone plan. Maybe time travel is reserved for people that are just stuck in this constant lifestyle.

for like 15 years, so you can go back. You don't think time trial is for the people who just want to experiment and fuck with people all day? I would fuck with somebody to fight time travel. You would think when time travel was discovered, they would do all that stuff. Like, you know how we do things on rats to test like chemicals and shit? Coy, what would you honestly do? Yeah, that's, I was just about to say that. What's interesting about time travel is if they created that machine can be happening right now.

Yeah. Coy, what would you do honestly? Is there anything, is there any big world event that you go back to see or change? Like, would you be like, yo, JFK, duck? Would you go back in time of change anything? Seriously, a big world event. Would you kill Hitler, Corey? I would, that would be cool to let JFK live somehow. What would you say?

Corey, Corey. You know, if you actually did that, then life would just go on and we just have JFK as a president for... Coy, Corey, Corey, right now. His last year was... It's not like he was Jesus. It's not like he was going to do amazing things if he didn't get shot. He was just a president. How did you know?

I stopped time and Jesus comes out of his mouth. Like, he fucking comes out and he's there. He's like, people were going to invent time machines. they were going to save me, and you are the chosen one. If you kill Hitler, you're probably the next question. Boy, one last question. How would you kill Hitler, Corey? You could kill Hitler. Corey, you have like five minutes.

One minute, 60 seconds alone with 10-year-old Hitler. He's 10 years old. I'd let him live. I figure we figured it out. I mean, we dealt with it and everything's okay. 10 years old? 10 years old Hitler. He's kicking a rock kind of giggling to himself.

He's alone? He's playing stick ball, kick the can. Old couples. Old couple... Paul, and I'm gonna make it off with you. Callie, he's in his room alone. He's kind of playing his balls. You know what you're interrupting, you don't want to interruptive. You don't be a freakazoid, right? Do you go in?

Oh yeah, I go in with a Halloween mask we have now. I'm fucking scare the shit out of them. And I feel like, if you kill any Jews, I'm gonna come back again. Don't kill any Jews! But they're like, and fucking Joe came in and fucked with me. I've got to kill them all. And you cause it.

No, I would be like, I would be like, I'm the ghost of German past, or future. And I'd go, ah! I'd fucking scare him. And, I wouldn't kill Hitler because then he probably won't be born. How many people that he... If you were like, I'm the... If you fucking kicked the door in with one of our scary Halloween mask and you were like, ah!

Don't kill anybody. If you kill Hitler... All you have to say, I am King Jew. Don't fuck with us. If you killed Hitler, then your mom would be like Jewish. What do you mean you kicked the fucking door to screw that? Why did you go and stop anything he did? He's probably doing something not that important.

He would still kill Jews. He would still kill Jews. He'd be like... By the way, kill five people you'd just... Did I ever tell you the time that some guy kicked him by doing it? I just wanted to kill Drew's more, dude. It may be even angrier. It may be killed you faster.

You run in and you cut off his nose and then no one will take him seriously. I felt like I needed to kill him faster before he did. He couldn't see Kyle if he was covering his face up the whole time. He's a big nose hole. Like what's on your head letting dude? It's fine. He just shave his mustache. He wouldn't have the confidence that made him so big.

He would kill the Jews to try and find like the Halloween mask man. It could happen. Next question. Oh good. So good, sir. All right, ding, ding, ding. And you're tired. and you brought it up again.

It's cool. How you did it? All right, guys, we've got to the point where we're going to have to get into the lightning round. Lightning round. Lightning round. Here we go.

Cool Square asks. It was to be a millionaire. Yeah. Cool Square asks, if you could change one thing about yourselves, what would it be? Go. Wouldn't be gay. Except it would be gay.

I would get healthier and find a good Coke dealer in the neighborhood. I'd lose my goblin body. Same. Next question. I stopped drinking. I would stop drink. I would stop drinking. All of us would be prettier. Yeah.

You should keep drinking? Yeah, I'm beautiful. Speak for yourself. I'm fucking handsome. Whatever. Godblor. No. Alright, next.

Wasted Youth, 89 asks. Have you ever viewed some new technology or fad as stupid? And if it became popular later, did you ever change your mind about it? Yeah, yeah. You got H d. I thought HD was gross. I still hate all the details. I still like that with 60 fBS.

But now I'm like, I want all the pixels. I thought, I thought Oculus Rip was a fucking shit. Shia, but I used it. I was like, holy shit. I thought iPads were literally the biggest joke I had ever seen. I still think they're kind of a joke, but I've actually found a ton of actual uses for it, so I can't shit on it. I thought iPhones were stupid. I thought curved monitors and curved TVs were not crockish- But truthfully, they're nice. Curved phones, I don't see the point in that, though.

Because they're so small, they're not going to get immersed. Well, no, the point of a curveboats is to avoid their light-reports. Like, how organized everything is? I was also against real dolls until I fucked one for the first time. Did you pray? What? Did you fuck one? Yeah, it was great. It was wonderful. Did they have to throw that out there? That's like $6,000. Shit. Yes. She's hiding out of my red right now. Her did Dingleberries? Sir Dingleberries asks, we'll season two... Where'd he fuck a real dog? Bring about a cast change that completely changes the flow and tone of the podcast in an attempt to appeal to a wider audience?

Yes. Which you turn kills the podcast ratings and leads to its cancellation? Yes, yes. All right. Okay. Must resist Fav asks. Something positive. What have been some of your favorite or? most memorable interactions with fans. Not sure if this has already been answered before. I already know it's when people were giving us booze on stage at any of the conventions. Any of the convention. You have free alcohol and free food. Man, I know

it's a lightning round, but I have a really good one. I don't know if I ever said this on... Did you better make it Lightning Fest. I'll try. Okay, so we just got out, it was MacFest, and then we got out when we were signing autographs outside the place, and then this little blonde-headed kid walks up to me through the crowd when I was signing everything

and he hands me a notepad and says, can you sign this? And I was like, yeah, of course, man. And I signed it, and he was like, thanks, dad. And then he, like, panicked, and then he just walked away. And then I signed a couple other things,

and I was like, yo, that kid just called me dad? And there was complete silence the whole time. Like, nobody knew what was going on. And I didn't know what was going on. And then I signed a couple more things. And I was like, that kid just called me dad. And I was like, I heard that too.

Is that your son? and I was like, no. He just walked up and it was like the biggest... Dude, have you ever seen a movie called Bad Santa? Yeah, yeah, of course. He looked exactly like the little boy. Santa. He came up.

You're about doing that. That's the relationship if you have this kid. You're very bad. And, you know, he was just this little kid. He came up and he called me dad. And you know what it is? The look on his face was fucking hilarious when he realized what he said. And then he just watered away.

That's so fucked up because he's probably listening. This is a man. Stamper, Held was the old as a kid, though. I'd say like maybe 12. The hell of you? You know he's going. You know where he's going. No, how... You tell him you.

I'm 32. Hey. It's possible. That what? That he's a little baby boy. I never fucked a blonde chick before. He's... It's impossible. You could have died her hair stamper, you know.

At the same time, I don't use condoms, so maybe so. That was what... that wasn't good... Mine is just signing that guy's ass and MacFest. I did that too. I got in trouble. But that one time the guy bought me a pizza during the panel. I remember. And then you said that really smart thing.

Then I offered everyone to you. the slice there was literally the perfect way to create a trampling chaos absolutely fucking chaos to just murder your entire audience everybody come up at the same time to get a slice of pizza who's worth everyone got free pizza 300 people you even get it literally converging on themselves we tend to sign asses and tittyes and butts all the time but you know mine was like a slice of human life there's always like these little these things that you don't even expect like you always expect the worst but then like the one thing that comes up just out of

nowhere it's hard it always kind of catch it It's like it T-Bones you out of nowhere. The one of you would never think of yourself, it just happens. One thing that did T-boned me a little bit, that was easily one of them was just recently at too many games before we did our panel. It was the first time I actually recall seeing like a whole room of people standing in line. And I even asked, I was like, what is this for? And they're like, dude, it's for the Sleepy Cabin panel. And I was like, oh fuck.

Surprise! So I like took all these pictures of it. And it wasn't like, you know, it wasn't like a thousand people, but it was just, I don't know, it was just really... Have you ever been in a position where you talked to somebody before a panel and they're treating you like, shit the whole time and you're like, so where are you guys going? And it's like, we're going to the Sleepy Cabin panel, but they don't know who you are. Question. All right.

Heber Macaroni asks, do your parents know about Sleepy Cabin? If so, what was their reaction to discovering it? My parents have seen quite literally everything I have ever made. They've listened to all my music. They've seen all my cartoons and they respect me to the ends of the earth. My parents also have seen. The end. What he said.

My parents have said, yeah, they've also, and then my mom was curious about my tattoo. and I think her reaction, her full reaction was, oh, and that was it. Well, really? When mine, anytime I talk to her, she's like, I hope you're doing appropriate stuff because that stuff follows you to jobs and stuff. I'm like, whatever, Mom, that's it. That's right, right to the top, bitch. Next.

Did you say speak for yourself, Mom? Ooh. Yeah, man. My mom and dad like the stuff I do except for the podcast. Like your parents are fucking gods. I mean, give me a break, man. They're just people. Exactly.

I don't want to end up. That's kind of mean, but it's true. Oh, I like that you just. I like how you just cut that off. Oh, you, Corey. Nope, next question. Alright, does. Lightning!

We can edit it all the guess. I know, but we need cool things like lightning! Oh! Next, packages 33's on. Uh, congrats on 30 episodes and all that stuff. Question, what hobbies do you have outside of drawing? Jacking off. Of course.

Games. Uh, photography. What's in piano? I do what I do. because I like what I do. I like making music. I like making cartoons. I like adding voices to things. I like doing all of this. These are my hobbies.

We've had this question. I got crucified because I say I like to walk a lot. Just nowhere. Our hobby's kind of barred jobs. And I like cooking. But they're just saying outside of drawing. They're just saying outside of drawing. Hobbies outside of drawing. I don't know. I guess I like I like to try to write. I try to, you know, learn stuff.

You're trying to cook now. I've been cooking lately and exercising. I used to feeding people. I used to write songs and play music, but I don't do that as much they used to. You should, Corey. You should, you're amazing. I like learning about game design.

Yeah. And I'm super good at jerking off. Super good. I'm like the best person I know at jerking myself off. Wait, wait too. Just wait to you in the ring with me. Williams All the Way asks. What do you mean?

Like jerking, me jerking you off, and you jerking yourself off and it's like a competition? If you want. It's open to interpretation, like the left. If anybody else jerk, I'll just say, like, nobody can jerk me off the way that I can jerk myself off. That's true. I'll say I'm right.

You still have to tell all the girls that they're great at it, even though they kind of hit the tip a little bit too much. You're like, get that calling out the fucking tip. Let me do it. Let me do it. They're just trying to fucking rip it off. They're just like, k-k-k-g-k-k-k-k-k. Can I tell you something? Whenever a guy takes control, he's like, let me show you how to do it.

Let me show you what's dog. Idiot. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I can go like a blast in two seconds. BOW! You know! I'm used to grabbing my dick as hard as possible and just going as fast as I can. I'm just going like, yeah, that's it's it.

I'm used to this speed. This is too real. Cool. It's lightning round. Not going to go fast. You're doing that so fast. Your face got a little pink and I just imagine. That's what it is.

You're just like, um, you see this like grip. Oh wow, dude. Cory, did you ever learn how to jerk off? I'm actually kind of worried for your... You'd be one of those pink postings. Who learns how to jerk off? I thought your dad doesn't teach you. I started jerking off like three years ago.

If you, if that's the way you jerk off, we need to talk later, dude. Because that's scary. I fuck my hand. I just grabbed the top of the head just a little below and I just go up and down and the center. go up and down in the sensitive area and that's all I do. Dude, you're gonna snap your dick off like a celery stalk and complain to you're gonna have to call somebody to go to the hospital. No, I'm not. I did recently get in this thing where I like to pinch the face of it and smack it around, like,

literally just like snag it. That's a lie. That's actually a lie. What I'm saying is true though. I don't grip it so fucking hard I can feel the inside of the tendons ripping out. I fucking do it to a point where the water lubricant of the precom is becoming now liquid that I can jerk off with. You can come all over your dick. Dude, you literally just went like, you were like animated and One's at 60 frames.

I was like, I just really how you jerking off? It's fucking insane, dude. You can't jerk off that fast. Something bad's gonna happen. Chloe, do you jerk off face again. I always see you jerk out face. No, don't do it again.

It's really intense. Oh, yeah, now it's all like casual. No, it's the only, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm blushing. I don't know what to say. Williams, Williams All Away asks, what's your opinion on fake boobs versus real boobs?

If they're done well, I like them. I like big fake boobs. If I can squeeze them, next question. Yeah, I just don't like fake boobs when they lie in their back because then it looks like these weird lumpy Yeah, or the ones where the nipples are point in different directions. I don't like fake boots for their...

I like tities, even if it's just like a little nipple and there's no fat. Fake tities, real tities, big titty, small tities. No, I don't like fake boobs when they're like the perfect circle of things. I prefer real boobs over fake booze. I like big mashed potato fake titty. I like... I just like girls. Me too. Nard Puppie asks, if you were a super villain, what superhero would you want to be your arch nemesis?

Some dude with really tiny tities. And man. Yeah. No, you could. I've never, I've never watched. I haven't seen that man. Aquavan. Because he's lame?

He's a fucking fish. Aquaman's not lame, asshole. They just haven't done him justice yet. Aquaman's lame. He's totally not lame. Is he a mermaid? Can you tell me? Oh wow.

I can talk to fucking, I can talk to whales. How about this? I'm gonna stand in the ground. No whales are gonna jump out. Oh, hey, bad guy. Come to the water. What are you saying? Ocean takes and 75% of the planet surface.

Excuse me. And there's lots of creatures there. Excuse me. Can you please come into the water? I can't reach you when you're up on the ground. Please. There's no iPhone. That's so fucked up, you're gonna see what?

Okkman would only be cool if there was no other superheroes in the vicinity. You know what, I'm gonna let the community back me up on this, all you fucking assholes. Acquan, we're gonna let the community here. Aquaman's cool, dude. Aquaman's such a fucking nerd. You were such a nerd. You were such a nerd. You were fucking short butt.

Fuck you. He was bornico-boy and fucking Mermaid Man. That was supposed to be Aquaboy. What are you talking about? You'd be unpopular puffin opinion. What? That's you. That's you. Are you serious?

Wait, how many people are here that hate Aquaman? Aquaman. I think he's lame. I'm neutral. I don't care. I don't care. Yeah, okay. I think Aquas man's I'm saying Aquaman's cool and I think Superman and Aquaman are lame. People are gonna come through and tell you why? Superman's actually labor than Akhmel. Oh yeah, definitely, but so boring. So why didn't you say Superman? Because Superman, I don't kill you. I don't fucking kidding. Are you kidding me? I'm a villain who needs someone to fight. Superman will beat my ass if I don't have Krypton Knight. He'll rip me apart and bring me in outer space where the supernova would happen eventually it fucking 400 years, but you

You would challenge Aquaman in the desert. Who do you drag them out to the desert and then kick a... Who do you respect more? Aquaman or Superman? What do you respect more? Aquaman or the Invisible Woman from Fantastic Four? Who do you respect more, the human torch or... The question was, who do you want to fight?

Who do you... I'm a super villain! I'm not going on a date with them. I'm supposed to beat their fucking ass. That's the point. The point isn't to be friends with them is to fucking want to kill them. But it's pretty easy to stick Aquaman and do a fucking pot of boiling water and burn is that. But it all depends on what my super villain powers are though.

Like who can I fight? Like what do I do? What can I do? It doesn't matter. Good question and next question. I actually don't remember the question. It was if you were, it doesn't matter. If you were a villain, who do you want your arch nemesis to be?

You want... I was just defending Aquaman for all right. Tartagnar Knox asks, what if you guys never met? Where do you think you would be? In a better place. I would have definitely got to call it. for graphic design, but I'd probably be fucking miserable and depressed. Why would you go to college for graphic design? Because everyone says that's where the money's at?

No, because I was going to go to college anyways. Basically, the reason I did go to college was because of you. That's what I'm saying. So you wanted to quote unquote, go to college. I didn't want to go to college, but that's where the money's at is graphic design. Well, that's where the societal expectation. Like I knew I knew I wanted to do, I knew I wanted to do cartoons and I knew what I would do admission, but I, but that was, that was my really only clear pattern. I swear to Christ, nine out of ten people are in college right now for graphic design.

No, and a lot of the way. them don't even want to be there. No, I didn't want to be there. I looked, I was seeking. Actually, I was always going to go to college in Florida for animation because I really wanted to go for animation. What a full sale? Really fucking hot. Whatever the fucking place it was.

It was a super expensive college, but that's why I really wanted to go to. But I said, okay, I'll just, I guess I'll go to the graphic, for, like, for graphic. So you can be forced-fed things that you didn't really care about to begin with. I wanted to go for animation. Well, no, I mean, granted, you. Oh, yeah, yeah. It goes back to what they were saying about how you'd get more done at home by your stuff. Oh, definitely, absolutely.

On a side note, Tartar Knox has been a fan of us for five years, they said, and wanted to thank us. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you. Next, we've got Mohawk Aid. To Mick, do you only voice English gigs? Yep. If not, do you, no, I just do.

If anything, I do some Chinese, I've done a Chinese one and it was fucking hell. To Chris, if you marketed yourself as a music composer for a project, what form of media would you consider composing for? Video games, TV, movie. Uh, movie or video, no, video games or movies. And what kind of genre? Like, uh... Fucking orchestra. Orchestra or rock orchestral? To everyone. Wow, this person has three questions. Fuck you.

What sort of skill trade would you like to learn outside of animation, voice acting, etc. But never found time to. Cooking. Cooking. Programming. Programming. This is a skill. I guess cooking is a skill. Programming or like survival in the world. Electrical engineering, math, and science.

I wish I learned more about mechanics. I really would like engineering stuff. Like, I'd love to be able to take apart a car. Yeah, yeah, yeah. A refrigerator, a computer. Like, just be like, I know what that is. I know what that is. Yeah, I was really the robotics.

You know, though. I still should. That's something I should fight. Cooking robots and little inventions that did nothing. Like, I'd take apart a VC or. Hold on. Cooking, mechanics, and building a computer. Like, how computers work and how you can, like, fix a computer.

You just don't building a computer. It's not that fucking complicated. Yeah, it's like it is for me. A general understanding of, like, you know, if you open to TV, you'd have an idea of what certain things were. What does what? Yeah. When I'm talking.

Watching a computer, I'm like so worried, I'm gonna break a fucking thing and it's never gonna work again. So I'm like being so delicate and I'm scared I'm gonna break anything. A lot of it's just electrics. If you opened anything up, I bet you could look at it and everything, a lot. I wouldn't say everything, but most of it would be common sense. Well, I'd like to get that confidence to know that I can just reach in and pull something out. You can do whatever the fuck you want to do. Go break up, break this TV open and see what happens.

Yeah, I'll fuck it up and rip a cord by accident when I'm freaking out trying to pull something lightly. All right, guys, we got two last questions for our lightning round. we're going to wrap this up. The first one, what was your favorite podcast you guys have made so far? That's a good one. Yeah.

I really, it's a tie, right? I really, really enjoyed the pilot with the Stamper Jeff and I did. I really enjoyed the rogue finger. Yeah,

that's on my list. I really enjoyed the pornography hour, which is episode 10. I thought that was a really good one. The hospital one I enjoyed, and I think... I don't like the hospital one at all.

I liked it because it had a story to it. I think the story ones are always a good change of pace. Like, The Sabrina one, the one's one's a good highlight one. You're naming Lowe's. I'm just trying to know about down mentally. I'm trying to think of him first of all.

There's so many fucking... Voice Fails with Jesus I like, are you like... My overall favorite podcasts... Yeah, that was fun. You don't have to be in the... The wrong figure is a cheating, I feel like it's a cheat. Because it's... Voice Fells with Jesus is one of the first one.

My very favorite overall podcast I wasn't in it, it's the Shad one. That was like the number one. Sharks was a great one, yeah. He did a lot of fun. I kept taking diarrhea though, so I did... I have bad... I edited it and I loved editing that one. I have a special place for...

for the any anyone that we talked about like paranormal things oh yeah the first like episode four like the ghost of grandma's genitals yeah there's something really like i would almost say that was my favorite episode yeah oh man actually i still think that's one of i still love uh episode five the road finger i do like obviously i like episode one yeah i really pilot yeah i would love love love either to do a live action version or see an animated version of that whole skit with like jeff and corey and you guys when it was the ghost. Yeah, yeah. He was the ghost detective guy and he's all like, the ghost tells him to go fuck his his deadline for the grave. That was episode one, I think. Was it really? Yeah, yeah, well, after the

pilot, episode one. Oh, okay. I just feel like it's relatable. It's like, it's intangible things that we're all talking about and I feel like everyone can relate to like... But I always feel like the pornography I was really, not under really, but I feel like it's not really enjoyed that one a lot. We had a lot of funny stuff too, yeah. Because ever we were all moving, we're all really, really out of it. We did it. We did it. I remember really walking out of that one. If we're going, okay, that was a good one.

I don't know. What about you guys? What do you think? Yeah, I like the other episodes. I like some last episodes, too. Let's expand upon this. Favorite last episode? People hate Paul Rudd?

Yeah, I love... I like the Ball Rudd one. Well, that's the first one we did. I love that one. The whole idea with the spaghetti coming up and like, just putting his hand in your spaghetti. The only reason Paul Rudd existed

was because we recorded that initially with the first thing, and then we just cut it out because we felt it wasn't good enough. That's why it was a quote-unquote lost thing. I love, I thought some of those jokes were so, and you guys kept bringing it back, which is so great, because it was very, like, even when you guys, like,

trailed up and it was like, what do you think his favorite flavor would be? It would be, like, Rudd, like, just, like, muddy water or whatever what's you guys said. It is kind of dangerous, though, because, like, not many people know who Paul Rudd is by names. People who do like it, probably, so it's like... I did, like, the drunken idiocy hour. That's what I was going to say, yeah, yeah, yeah. Mainly because I was just hanging out with Corey and now, and we're just having a good time.

Yeah, like that wasn't even the time. I also really liked the green Eminem. I listened to the green Eminem like eight fucking times. The Green Eminem is good. Later on I found out the Brown Eminem was way hotter. She is way hotter. But the thing is I didn't even fucking know about her. Green Eminem is for- The green Eminem is fucking everywhere.

The Brown Eminem is trying to show up. She's fucking hot, man. She went to lens crafters and got those nice frames. She's a librarian, dude. They're fucking creepy. But anyway, my worst one definitely is the Tinder update because that spawned a lot of bullshit. We weren't asking about worst. You weren't asking about worst and that was actually one of my favorite too. I just wanted to say, it just found a lot of bullshit.

Very last question. Who's fault is that? Captain Tender? Chris, Chris. It was a deal I made with Jeff because he picked me up, but I had to do it. I like the hospital one or the pornography one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Very last question, here we go. Zerg says asks.

Actually like spaghetti version one. Spaghetti birds. Yeah, like that. Why is there a season finale to a fucking podcast? That's a good. What a good thing? good last question. That's what I want to save it for last. Why is there a finale? Well, let me tell you something. It all comes down to

we need time to prepare. We need to take a break. Yeah, we need to take a break. We've been doing this every single fucking week and then we've been... But there is an unlimited amount of factors there. Look at your favorite TV show. Yeah. When did it start running into the ground? Yeah. Exactly. You need to quit when you're ahead and regroup or quit entirely. Also, let me just be honest. Let me be honest. Let me be honest. Like if we said we're just taking a break for three months, never called a season, people would be much more upset, but if we say season two, people...

Nobody wants to hear somebody going on and on and on for years. What did, uh... I know it's kind of a corny reference, but what did the, um, the goblin saying the first Spider-Man movie? Wait, I thought that was... Are you in or are you out? No.

Wasn't it, what you're thinking of a joker for Batman, dude? Are you... No, I'm thinking of the time where he said, um, the only thing people like more than holding something up is to break them down. Yeah. To watch them fail. People love building people up

and then breaking them down when they're at the top. That's like a celebrity thing, you know? It's like they... You support them all the way up, and then you get sick of them, and then bang. I feel like Aristotle said something like that, but I like that you associate that quote with the gobbels. Well, nobody else has said it better.

What's that famous fucking Batman quote? You either live long enough... What is it? Get busy living or get busy dying. You live long enough to be a hero or whatever. You live long enough to... There's a stake in my book. You either die a hero or live long enough.

To be a villain, yeah. To see yourself be the villain. I think it's kind of like... Very nice, how much? Another quote is, every fucking season gets worse and worse as it goes on. So, we're just going to try to regroup and figure out to do things better.

We're going to get some guys in, run PR meetings, see what the kids are talking about. Yeah, we're going to get some stats. We're going to get some dats from the kids from the demographics. From my perspective, I think that we were doing things just fine, but at the same time, you know...

You can do these better, though. Most definitely, but I would. I will say that a lot of us are eating up time with this that we could be, you know, there's a lot of people that want content from us as well. And this is a weekly thing that we have to keep doing. The important thing too is like, if we didn't have a Patreon, we didn't have all these different responsibilities, we wouldn't be taking a break. But the truth is that we now, you know, we owe people something back and, you know, they deserve

that. It now needs to be looked at a level carefully and put a lot more, we're putting effort to before but we were putting as much as we needed to now we need to do this better and also do more content better we did meetings and up but there was no like sitting down and actually like as a company it's like we're gonna do like we're gonna make skiff just didn't have time it's like we have we release an episode and then we have to do another episode two days later started us as a piece of content that we could put out exactly so if nothing else at least people could stay in touch with us and

because it this was the point where we would do a cartoon and then seven months later we do up the video and then someone's later we do a cartoon. I think we were all just, you know, as an animator, they just get sick at it because you like, you constantly, you want to, you have this urge. We're all content creators. We just want to give people stuff and create and put stuff out there. We're all constantly trying to give. And you can't give when you're working on a cartoon. People have shitty lives, man. I would love to make someone smile after their day of car pushing

at Walmart, because I get it. I understand. It fucking sucked. If I can make you laugh, then... But the easiest thing to do is just sit in a room and talk and release that a week. Sure. It's also taxing because you, it's like, it's not even a factor of I want to do this. It's a factor of we need to do this now. It's an obligation. It's no longer. We need to be good at it. We can't, we can't, sure we can just come here and go, okay, anyways, let's talk about what's the biggest shit you ever saw. Okay.

Yeah, exactly. We can't, we're trying to be. We want to keep it fresh and keep it good and keep it, it, it get better at every way we need to. Because, you know, we don't want to plateau because there's, I don't, I don't believe there's any such thing as plateauing. I feel like the second you get comfortable is the second you get bad. There's, you can't, there's no such thing in entertainment as sticky at a certain level. keep getting better or you get worse so that's the only two options I think all right yeah and so for that let's there's a lot of fairness there let's let's uh close close I could wrap it up with your favorite song what rain drops no rain drop

no no absolutely not I don't know the rest of the the words to that song rip boop bitt do it up it up yeah it's simple let's do time right cori that song is like so positive like there's nothing like there's nothing like No, it's... It doesn't even have like down... I see what he means because he's sad when he listens to it and it's like... Rain drops he fall on my head. It means I'm down but it doesn't mean that I'll say... It's like very literal lyrics but the song itself the melody is kind it's it doesn't kind of upbeat. It's got it made him feel sad because it made him or when he has a

He has a fondness for it because it made him having a Raindrops are the actual lyrics but that doesn't mean that I'll soon be turning red. That don't mean my eyes will soon be turning red gonna give you head And that's it, folks, for the lightning round for the season finale, episode 30 of Sleepycast. Entitled, The End. The End, Question Mark. Question mark. And with that, the episode is literally going to be called the end question mark.

There you go. That's perfect. That's perfect. Space question mark, space, space question mark. And with that, my friends. Like spelling question mark out or just putting gals and pals. We're going to miss you guys. Don't hold your breath, but we're gonna see you soon. Yeah bitchy-ha-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h. Hey, snip, right-out-l-l-l-dh-h-h-h-h-h.

What? You know how you said, too-vix-you-sad? What's not saying the tournitherto-biz-you-sad. What do you think? Okay. So then someone goes, do-d-do-do-do. No one's doing the... Okay, fine, I'll do it. Stand now, why you cry. But it's something I can never do. I think... That's what I said. Saking into the lava. Saking down.

Goodbye for real. Dada da da. Pulled out, dude. You're not going to need it, dude. You remember Terminator 1 where there was an arm left in the factory? Yeah. That was the whole problem? Yes.

You know, Terminator 2, he put his arm in a cog, and then he lost his arm again. Yes. And nobody ever brought that up again. Well, that's why that was. Terminator 3. Yeah, I thought that was kind of on purpose. I don't remember Terminator 3. Nobody gives a fuck about Terminator 3.

What happens to Terminator 2? At the two wheels that he gets his arm stuck the gears. And then at the end, before he lowers himself in the lava, he doesn't have an arm anymore. He sticks that big hole in his arm. Oh yeah, his arm was left in a factory again. Yeah. Oh, that's right. And he had to destroy himself the chip in his head so they wouldn't have the chip.

It's still an arm there. Did they not throw in the arm? They don't just toss in it? They threw in the old arm, but not the arm that he lost in the cop. the cogs. Super. What? May I not?

Oh. Fuck. It's going to come up. My man probably one thing in life. Smoking without the film. It does break. Oh. How to fix a fucking cigarette is a broken.

Wait, you can fix a cigarette. It's a brook. Yeah, look. Go like that, and it's like that, and it's like that hard piece of grung board there, and then you take this and you just put that, like that, like that, like that, like that, like that. And then you just, get in it.

I don't know like that. And she says, it's gonna be, is it work for the word. I'm gonna try that. You just have to be very careful. Cool. Thanks man. Broven cigarette, fixed.