Sloss and Humphries On The Road - 5.31: Bhenchod

Episode Date: May 10, 2023

After starting their bromance in Mumbai a couple months previously when Daniel Fernandez made a brief appearance on the podcast in India (5.24 Mumblyth) he joins Muggins again, this time for a full episode in Perth, Australia. They talk about the Indian comedy scene, Facebook algorithms and porn sites serving up incest

Hello viewers and listeners of Sloss and Humphreys on the road. As you are fully aware, Daniel Sloss has went home. He's tapped out like a lightweight and left me touring Australia on my own. So what I've been doing is mopping up some amazing guests while I'm here. We've been very lucky today. I've got a treat for you. We have got Daniel Fernandez on the podcast for an hour. You might remember Daniel from the Mumbai episode where we had a rotation of comedians. Daniel was the first guest on that.

And when we were on Mumbai, we just were like were like right we need to get you on for an hour and chat here in length and it happened today so we've got a belt a podcast talking about the comedy scene in india talking about indian food talking about um porn profiling it to be incestuous and a host of other things and it's a wonderful catch up. It's been class gigging with Daniel the last few days in Perth at the Gala shows and stuff. So it was nice to sit down and have a proper blether

on the podcast. So I hope you enjoy it. And also on the next episode, hopefully, I mean, it's penned in. So hopefully it's going to happen. But I've got Ruben K going to be on the Patreon episode

on Thursday. So you can look forward to that. If you haven't signed up, do it now, and then you'll get that episode on Thursday. Enjoy this one. Sloss and Humphreys on the road. Muggins and cream, cream and muggins. Straight thuggin', livin' the dream.

That's our intro. Fuckin' muggles. Ticklin' the clit inside your head that makes you laugh. Woo-hoo! Ha-ha-ha! They said it can't be done. Are we in the same seats? That's hack.

Aw, muggles. Accidental rim job in the park. Kiss, kiss, kiss. Or might't be done. Are we in the same seats? That's hack. Oh, muggles. Accidental red job in the park. Kiss, kiss, kiss. Or am I just being cynical? Just muggled it up on fucking Mugglepedia. Where have you been since 9-11? Daniel Fernandez. Yes.

It's good to have you back. We meet again. You know what I love about this industry? Like, we met, what, like seven weeks ago? Yeah, in Mumbai. Like, two months ago in Mumbai. Mumbai, yeah. We never met before

we hung out had a couple of drinks at a festival jumped on the podcast and then fast forward two months and here we are in Perth

just gigging together working together fucking class like that this industry the thing about this job you meet each other all over the world yeah

if you're good if you're good otherwise you just get sucked in sucked into a local toxic open mic scene yes yes otherwise you're good. Otherwise, you just get sucked into a local toxic open mic scene. Yes, otherwise you're in the open mic scene. Hey, what's the open mic scene like in Mumbai? It's pretty huge right now. I think if you look at the whole Indian comedy scene

in terms of the breakup of where everyone's at, I think the open mic scene is the largest pool. I reckon from what I'm aware of, easily anywhere between 500 to 700 open micers. I could be wrong, but I'm estimating.

Is that in the whole country or is that in one city? In the whole country. But if you consider out of a billion people, that's still not much, but way bigger than what it was when we started.

And so how long have you been going now i've been this is my 12th year it's your 12th year so similar length of time to me but when when i started in the uk there was already quite a fucking heavy open mic scene yes it's like all the infrastructure for the games was there for me to jump into the skipping ropes exactly were you there at the kind of inception of stand-up comedy yes Yes, we had to build the scenes. So all of us started between 12 and 13 years ago, we were the guys who were approaching bars and saying, hey, give us a Monday night. There's not much happening anyways, let us tell some jokes. So

it started there. A bunch of us started running rooms across the country and then slowly we kept building it up. It helped that the Comedy Store was there. That kind of really set the tone for the industry because when the comedy store used to do shows they had the established showcase format that they do in london and manchester yeah so they would have like you and a couple of your friends on but they'd also have like fucking dave johns and a few of the companies we didn't get a shot at all so really initially it was they would fly acts down from from the. Yeah. And then after a while, they started having open mics. That's where we got a shot.

So if you did well at the open mics, then you would get an open spot on the weekend showcase. And if you did well at the open spot, eventually you would get to a show called The Local Heroes. Right. Which was a bunch of us doing 20 minutes each. Yeah. And did that feel like a long time at the time, minutes and then after that if you did well over there you would

get into the best in stand-up shows that they did so i remember there was a time where we used to just keep checking our inbox yeah for that email saying hey you've got five minutes yeah how much of a buzz are them emails when they come through you know when you're waiting for five minutes that you thought about that that five minutes all week like i'm gonna do this i'm gonna do this and we were discussing things yesterday now when they say okay you gotta do five minutes you're like five you fucking edit that down yeah that's like one bit but i don't want to get into that one bit until i've established myself so the stuff that establishes me is the stuff i'm using and then i don't get to go into my best stuff. Exactly. And you say hello, you introduce yourself and that's three minutes already.

Yeah. It's been quite a journey. Yeah. Because I always feel like when I do anything overseas, I have to reference the accent. Yes. Not just because to be understood, but because people may be trying to place it. People may think I'm Irish. So if I can just give them a little bit of information about myself detail the accent and move on from it that's always a good jump off

but when you do a five minute spot that's half of my spot half your spot yeah i feel i have to do the same thing i think that i think that's something any visiting comedian has to do just set sort of an establishing yeah context of you know who you are where you're from what you're all about if you can capture that in about a minute yeah then you've got four more minutes you've got four more minutes which by the way none of us stuck to time yesterday we were all having such a great time it was such a fun gig as well this was in the gala show in perth comedy festival yeah it's like what 800 people i think yeah yeah and everyone was shit hot as well the audience the audience were on fire from the beginning the mc set it up great i love this one uh lady i think she was up up top who was just laughing over everybody else kirstie

we back oh no no from the audience from the audience yeah because i was gonna say me and kirstie were watching from the wings and we had stitches and everyone it was crazy it was like 799 people were laughing and then she would climb above that laughter and she was so loud it was amazing it almost felt like she just discovered laughter. Yeah. She just realized she could do this. And she's like, yeah, I'm going to do this all the time. She's just had her first hit of heroin, hasn't she?

Because I always think that if there's a non-self-conscious laugher in the audience, everybody else feels like they can laugh. Yes. Like sometimes you'll have like an audience where they're stifling laughter. They've got their hand up on their face. And all it takes is just one big belly laugh in the room for everyone to just like open their bodies up and let it out. But that's what I like when the audience connects with the hive mind. You know what I mean?

When everyone's laughing on cue. Whereas sometimes you'll get people laughing at different points. So it's very fragmented. They're having fun, but then I'm'm not i don't like that yeah because that happens a lot at festivals yeah because people are just shopping by they're like okay let me see you know what's this guy about what's that guy about yeah at a festival you can have like a bunch of people that have come in because they've seen your show at a previous festival they've listened to you on podcasts have kept up with your career and they're coming to see the person that they're familiar with yeah and then you've got people who have just taken a flyer or even worse the show that they wanted to see is sold out

and you are plan b so sometimes you've got also is the name of an emergency contraceptive in the u.s i'm plan b come see come see my show and you're not gonna fuck tonight dude that's i think that's what i'm gonna call my show next year like plan b so uh so yeah you could sometimes be trying to just get get just dial two people on different frequencies into the same frequency and sometimes it can take you a lot of the show before the crowd have that kind of synergy yeah that you like to work with whereas last night the crowd were there they were on they were from the get-go they were on yeah and i've noticed that at showcases whether it's at a theater or at a comedy club you tend to get that uh you know that

that high energies right away because i think these are uh regular cultured comedy audiences they watch gigs on the regular as opposed to at a long run at a festival i've been told a lot of people who watch shows at festivals are usually first timers or uh they watch a gig once a year yeah they'll only catch shows at the festival so yeah and also with perth perth is so fucking remote the nearest city is Jakarta yeah like the nearest city isn't even in its own country

like even when we were walking home last night after the gig it felt like the city was in lockdown it was completely yeah it was like

it was like fucking tumbleweed in a western wasn't it it was very crazy because we did a show 800 people then we step outside and we're like

did another pandemic hit? Yeah. Because like, even when we're trying to get food everywhere, we're shut. Yeah. We found one place. It was hilarious because it was just Kai and me walking around the entire city. We walked, what, for an hour?

Yeah. Did not bump into another soul. But not even any infrastructure, not even like people cleaning the streets. I think there's like one guy, when we got into the heart like i think there's like one guy when we got into the heart of town there's like one guy with a jet washer yeah yeah he was the one dude and then after i said goodbye to you there were some cops downstairs who uh you know strip check not strip what do you call it searching yeah yeah so you just you join the queue you join the queue to try and get stripped oh shit and then there were like

five cops surrounding these two guys and they were checking them for drugs I'm guessing and I don't know if this happens to you but whenever I see cops

I get nervous nah nah not me man yeah yeah not you not me not in India but whenever I'm outside

I'm just like oh we have this thing like maybe I have something I don't know but then I just walk away confidently I'm like I don't know you can check yeah yeah it was uh it was funny kicking with you the other night because you you are you've done your solo show yeah which you

were on straight after me in the same room yes and when i came out your queue was just fucking there early yeah it was like they were camping out for the fucking one direction that was the night we were sold out yeah and somebody which is fucking god bless the Australian audiences they know we travel yeah so they know

we can't bring drugs yeah so they bring drugs oh yeah yeah yeah it happened with me as well I had somebody from that show itself

like hey you wanna you wanna just like just come to the alley back yeah cool cool I gotcha and it's nice like the fans get it

we all have our little codes like like, do you want some? Yeah. It was nice. And then you, so I had to leave off ahead of you because I was hosting the comedy store. Yeah. And then you turned up absolutely blazed. Oh, damn.

You were like, even at the point, you were at the point, in fact, just before I brought you on, because I was back announcing at this point, and you were about to go on and you were like, do you think I should tell them I'm high? I'll tell you why I said that, because once, a few years ago, in the green room, there was a joint going around, and we were all blazed.

And sometimes this happens where you don't know how much is packed in, and you underestimate the potency of the joint, and you pull a little harder than you should. And then I walk on stage, and I'm hosting that night night and it's new material night which worked in my favor it's a material night and bought seven or eight of the best comedians in the country all backs backstage in the green room and i'm doing my bit uh up top and i'm warming the crowd up and you know when you're telling a joke you can see the joke in front of you you know exactly what you're going to say and as i I'm looking at the next line, the line runs away.

And I'm just like, hey, come back. I need you to deliver it here. It's totally fine doing it. What were we talking about again in conversation? But not when you're on stage. Not when you're on stage. And then it got so bad, I couldn't do the joke. So I just said, hey, guys, I'm just going to level with you.

I'm high as fuck. And that just changed the entire energy of the show because if it was up here it suddenly went up here and everyone yeah was having a great time because then i didn't have to care about doing material per se then i was just you know winging it i was just doing a lot of crowd work and then every time i would introduce an act uh come back on, I would find something in the green room as a prop and I would just come up with it, you know? Yeah, because you feel playful. Your inhibitions are just that little bit lower. Yeah.

I find like if you are the right amount of high, you can have a great time on stage. Yeah, Daniel gigs high all of the time. All the time. Edibles, his works. And he does like nearly two hours. And he just goes on blazed and i think he likes it he just feels looser he does things a bit differently like if something comes

into his head he doesn't like lock in and stick to the script you'll go with the thing that comes into his head so he prefers it i don't mind kicking high but when you sound like i do you don't want to lose you don't get lost in translation you don't want to get lost in translation exactly what i find is if i'm if i'm high uh my brain kind of just goes into autopilot then i'm not thinking about the set the same way you would when you're sober it's just like like you said it's just boom boom boom boom boom and then even and you get to play around with the setup as well because now you're not sticking to exactly what you've written yeah like you've got a cue card because they feel that yeah it's my joke so i should be able to tell it in 10 different ways you know so then i play around with that as well so i like i like that as well not being completely sober when i'm on stage so if if i can't probably you know smoke one i get

a drink drink drinks good enough i like um i love tom state for that have you did you see any of tom's day i have i have it's tom tom state was one of the comedians who used to do the comedy store in mumbai of course yeah yeah that guy is a proper killer so what was that like for you guys because obviously you said you said that you didn't get um you didn't get put on them bills at first yeah but did everybody go to watch uh no not everyone whoever had the time whoever could uh if you weren't kicking that name weren't gigging also a lot of people still had day jobs back then because i imagine there's a lot of comedians in the room there if they're bringing comedy over from like canada and not as many as you would imagine in

fact i remember talking to another comedian about it as well like back home something that we don't see happening too often is younger comedians in terms of tenure uh not watching guys ahead and which is very very surprising so for the first few months of my career i just went to the comedy store sat at the back and just soaked it all in yeah and that's that's why you're professional now because i i spot that so much when i'll often when i go to newcastle and i do the stand run you've kicked at the stand no not yet so it's the comedy club that's uh edinburgh glasgow and newcastle right yeah um i'll always go and like close the open mic on the wednesday because i'm going to be staying over anyway do the thursday friday saturday of the run yeah i just come in a day early and it gives you a good

chance to try out some new material or just fucking or even just do material that you haven't done in a while and just get it back up and running because like you're taking you're taking a bit of a pay cut but you're getting stage time to play with um rather than like selling your best product and i always recognize the comedians the new comedians that are there at the beginning and they watch the MC take the mic out of the stand and then they watch the headliner and they watch every little aspect of it. They watch.

That's where you learn the little nuances. Like I've seen so many young comedians at the open mic, they'll take the mic off the stand, the mic stands right in front of them. And the little things that you would pick up when you watch a seasoned pro, I think that's what makes it so important to watch guys who are way better than you. Kind of like saying that if you're the smartest person in the room, you're in the wrong room. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I never have that trouble. Also, so there's the mic stand thing. There's also the looking at your feet thing that's a big one that open makers do because nobody nobody warns you how bright the lights are oh and the lights are blinding and yeah some people like head down and I don't know if it may be a mix of like nerves and not wanting to look up and not trusting yourself so maybe a body language thing it might be just getting the lights out of your eyes but but you see a lot of comedians doing that. But if you're at a stand-up show and you're watching the whole thing,

you'll watch the open maker look at his feet and talk, and then you'll watch the compere or the headliner look at different parts of the audience and connect with the room. And if you're watching the whole show as an open maker, you'll see the vast difference between those two things. And even if you know you're doing it or not, you'll pick up on it because you'll absorb the... Because your material, your set, all of that stuff,

that's all down to you. It's in your head. But the stagecraft element of it... Yeah, there's so many moving parts, right? Like so many things that you wouldn't pick up on otherwise. For example, one of the comedians I used to love watching imran yusuf uh he's done india a lot i haven't seen him around in such a long time we used to get together a lot yeah so he used to come down to india he used to kill hard and i remember he told me like you know if you move around while you're on stage what it does

is it gets the audience's eyes locked on you and they move with you so they're paying attention yeah if you stand in one place and especially if you're not doing uh you're not killing really hard then they tend to lose uh what is it that that connect with you because you're just there and then they start drifting yeah he's just there yeah that's actually uh something i was chatting to matthew who edits this podcast he was saying like you should be doing lots of cuts with the camera for people watching it like we travel with one camera yeah so people are just going to get this one scene you can come closer and go back out yeah they go back out so there but but he says them them sharp cuts is what keeps people's attention spans yeah and it's like it's so basic to admit that that's what we're like but that's what we're

like you need you need to have changes of focus all the time yeah I am so there's the walk around the stage what are the basic bits the talking into the make before the fully getting a hold of it yet like the so much so much go through and they'll stop mumbling that said yeah one thing I do when I walk on stage is I look at the cable and see if it's wrapped around the stand right and so my instant thing because I've fallen on my face with it as a new comedian so many times grabbing the mic stand the cable is still wrapped around and then you start that awkward dance you're just like oh let me get this out of the way hang on yeah and you've started talking yeah you've started talking so you're trying to chase the microphone around

the stand whereas if you get up you clock it you take it out you wrap around you put that there yeah and then we'll begin sorry i've kept knocking the microphone when i did that but uh but i'm talking about stagecraft while failing at basics i'm still but yeah doing doing that is such a um sorry i'm just gonna say it's just such a it's such a basic thing that doesn't take talent it takes education it takes learning yes and you can learn that by just fucking tuning into a gig and watching a gig like one of the things I like doing is getting to the show before the show begins just getting on stage and getting a feel of the room yeah so you know exactly where the audience is going to be seated what the light what the light is like, how harsh it is, et cetera, et cetera.

So then it just helps you familiarize yourself. When you're called out, you're not suddenly going, whoa, what is this place? So if you're a young comedian just starting out, get to the venue early. Just get in early, get a feel of the stage, meet the MC, go through the lineup, see what's happening, know where you are, make sure you're backstage on time things that familiarize

yourself with other people sets because yes because they it's there's a big social scene to it as well and if if I'm chatting to somebody backstage in the same name and I don't know the name and then you tell me a bit that they do yeah I'll know the comedian off that bit and then now we know who we're talking about. But if you're not watching any of it, then yeah, you're just, you're getting yourself out of the loop socially when it comes to, it's crazy how as comedians, we tend to be a lot of us tend to be introverts who don't like socializing, but also the craft demands that when you're not on stage, you need to have

good people skills, you can't just be. Um, you know, the guy just sitting in the corner, not saying anything, unless you're not on stage you need to have good people skills you can't just be um you know the guy just sitting in the corner not saying anything unless you're really huge once you become famous then yeah fuck everyone just sit there who are you losers how dare you breathe the same air as me you know that actually was the thing i got nervous about the most because i'm i'm actually uh even i'm not that introverted generally like before i done stand up but still um if i was going to do an open spot at the comedy store right my biggest nerves wouldn't be walking on stage at the comedy store because that's a nice gig it's an easy gig i'll trust my abilities even then like i knew like i was like making people laugh so now in an environment where it's easier to make people laugh than it is i'd say junglers junglers or like an open mic, it's actually a sweet spot.

You get nervous because of the prestige of it and what it can do for your own career if it goes well. There's a bit of that. But it's being someone who has a day job and nobody knows your name yet, walking into a room full of established comedians and then going in and trying to just be like you're meant to be there rather than an imposter so I'd sometimes like be in the car before walking in and I know the fucking lineup is sick as I've looked it up

online I know what the lineup's gonna be and I'm like walking in I'd be a bit more nervous about that yeah then I would be about but would you say that these spots at, say, iconic venues like the Comedy Store still have the same amount of prestige as they used to now that everyone's getting popular on the internet, booking out their own venues and selling out? You know what? I don't know if it's just because I've been around a while now, but it used to feel like it was harder to get into.

Now it seems like um a lot of the clubs have um they've taken a look at the diversity protocol yeah and realized that a lot of the lineups that they have is bald middle-aged men yeah right so so they've they've kind of opened up their books a lot more a lot of the clubs right they've opened their books up a lot more and it's fucking great because there's so many funny people out there from all walks of life and it's good it's good that they've got a bigger cross-section but it also feels like it's um the books are a lot more open whereas when i started i felt like the books were closed these are our fucking 20 30 guys that we use and you have to fucking really muscle to squeeze in there you

have to really fucking light the place up so do you feel like it's easier now for somebody starting out in the UK to get into a comedy club? Probably unless you're a middle-aged bald guy. And then we've got that covered. We've got that covered completely. I'm not entirely sure, actually. I've mentioned this before, but I feel like I was very, very lucky coming through when I did, because i came through in 2008 in every open mic i was trying to be stuart lee ah so every open

mic i was taking ages to get to a punch line and they were just doing short spots right and i was going in and just being a bit more clubby yeah and if a promoter is looking for someone to make their audience laugh yeah well that's what i think a lot of comedians starting out tend to forget that the shorter the sport the more punch lines you need to have because you don't have enough time to make yourself memorable yeah you have half an hour then yeah maybe you can do like a three minute set up and then drop a punch line but if you've got just five minutes it has to be set up punch lines at a punch line set up punch line yeah yeah yeah it's literally a showcase. It is, it is.

Exactly. It's a quickie, right? It's a quickie. There's no gentle strokes here. There's no caressing. And you just like fuck really hard, pound her really hard, and then fucking come. You're going to do four minutes of foreplay in the broom cover on your lunch break?

Exactly, yeah. It's crazy. Because the path in India is very different now. So what happened was when the comedy store was around, there was still sort of like an established infrastructure. There was a path sort of to get to your 20, a path to get to the 30. But after they had the falling out with the Indian partner and they went away. So we were all had a kind of in a way had to figure out figure it out ourselves but by the time that happened a lot

of us were already in quite a strong position so we were okay but the guy starting out kind of then had to figure out how to do this because there weren't any clubs that had an established infrastructure or a setup for them to go okay okay, you're good enough for five, or you're good enough for 20. Everyone was just kind of doing their own thing. And now the path to getting popular is to do open mics, figure it out in the dark somehow. Yeah, in the provinces.

And get on a reality show, get on a reality show on Amazon Prime. If that works out, great, the numbers are great. Once you get on there and if you're good, and if you have enough material to back up that success then you can have a good career ahead of you or the other path is keep my working it out and grinding it out at the open mics and then shoot videos there and release it out on the internet and hopefully find an audience there is no so it's proper club setup now is reality tv show like a reputable in for stand-up for for in india i mean it's the only one that there is right now so it's it's uh basically similar to uh last comic standing

yeah okay that kind of it's a reality yeah show based around comedy or stand-up yeah so you'll have like maybe 10 contestants and you'll have like a panel of say six or seven established comedians judging these contestants and every episode is a different, is a theme. So one is improvisational, one is observational, maybe the other one is topical humor. They keep testing them eventually until one person wins. And usually what has happened is the people who've won, they've seen their numbers go up really high and they're doing pretty well for them they're doing good so that's the path in India it's very different over there so there was a there is a comedian called Deliso Chaponda who had learned

his craft in Canada he's Malawian and then he smashes gigs he got big on Britain's Got Talent yeah yeah so he smashes gigs right and a lot of it is filth right which is what i love like i deal with all his stuff that i've seen is so clean right yeah because it's tv obviously oh so he's a filthy comedian he's got the funniest he's got the funniest filth and that's my sense of humor i'm pretty fucking basic man toilet humor sex it's global everyone can laugh at that right um so we always have him on punch drunk our gigs and uh and then he does britain's got talent and then we'll have him on punch drunk again all of a sudden we don't have to do any promotion boom sold out a bunch of because normally we've got the same audience

coming back over and over and we just gotta get like say if there's 3 000 people that come to the gigs regularly you want 300 of those guys that come in you build a regular audience they've seen comedy a bunch of times you train them they're a comedy audience by a couple of years and you've got this really good pool of people to come to the gigs but you normally have to promote to them to get them to come exactly maybe they'll bring a friend or two and you'll organically grow a comedy audience but all of a sudden we've got audience of fucking names and email addresses of people that have never been to any of the gigs because they've seen Britain's Got Talent. And there's a man off the telly that comes. So then what happens when these guys see him?

Because my impression of them... Some of them walked out? Yeah. Some people walked out? Exactly. Some people went, I'm not watching this, filthy swearing. Swearing. Like, what do you think

we're doing here yeah because i reckon because you because that's that's that's that's the idea i had of him as well because some comedians they they take this path because yeah you know if you're a clean comic yeah more opportunities you can get on television you're very family friendly all of that but then to find out that this guy is a proper comic in the club, you know. But he can go through the gears. His clean material is still quality. Yeah, it's still good, exactly. But if you're playing to the audience that that brought in. Yeah.

And I did that in 2010, my first ever Fringe show, right? I didn't have any other material, just the hour that I'm doing. There was nowhere to go, right, if I'm doing this material. And I went on this showcase called Mervin Struttas pick of the fringe, right? And it's five minutes of clean material. And it's a real elderly audience. And I'm not just saying like older, like elderly, retired, just may not make it to next. That was 2010. Not a single

member of that audience is alive. I was just gonna say say they're all dead now they're all dead they're all dead and i had i had to get myself to these old days so well right that i filled my room on my first friend show for three days that followed that gig everybody from that room came over the course of three days i was in like a fucking 150 seat. And then all of a sudden my 50 seat, I was like, I was on 150 seat for the showcase. And then there was 50 seats sold for the next three gigs.

And it was them guys. Same crowd. And then they get to see the entire hour. I was doing stuff about dildos, about wanking. Like I had nothing else. And how did they take it? Awful.

It was bad. It was the worst three gigs of your life and i mean thanks for the money but i'd always imagine that the elderly have some of the filthiest sense of humor yeah you you would you would think not these ones so what is what is your thought on this whole idea of a lot of people say comedy should be clean like whether it's some there's some comedians who market themselves as clean comedians and there are a lot of people say comedy should be clean like whether it's there are some comedians who market themselves as clean comedians and there are a lot of

audience members who say yeah it should be comedy should be clean what do you I think that's a real mainstream opinion that's not what

that's not what comedy is comedy I think comedy is a subculture and it's underground and it's in a basement and it's like it's alternative right

it's about saying all the things that you're thinking but too afraid to say that's what a stand-up comic does that's why the audience laughs like yeah i was thinking that but i didn't want to say it out in public and he did it for me uh-huh and but it's stuff that's it's stuff that's got not safe for work written on it yeah exactly it's stuff that would get you dragged into hr yeah so it's catharsis for people who are living in a strict environment. because all of us,

let's be honest, all of us have filthy thoughts in our head. Yeah. And the kind of stuff that

we should not say out in public, the kind of stuff that you can't say at work or,

you know. And then we take on that responsibility and say it for you. And the least you can do

is fucking laugh. Like, don't be so prudish and say like, yeah, I can't laugh at this. This is not the kind of stuff I think about because I've seen the same people who say comedy should be clean. I've seen how they talk to each other out in public and I'm like, yeah, that's

exactly how I was talking on stage. What the fuck is wrong with you? And it's all about environment as well, because if you've got people who work in an office where you can't say anything that you say could get into trouble because you're working that environment right it's a professional environment and then you go to a comedy club with your partner yeah on the evening and they're saying all this shit that makes you laugh right like fucking like like means when I'm listening to an Eminem album at the age of 13 I just feel like fucking seeing these things you can see that so that person who works in that environment goes to that gig,

laughs their fucking head off, right? Now, if you got that whole workplace and put them in a corporate event and then put that same comedian on, everyone would be like, how could he? How could he? And then the person who booted you for the corporate

would be having a word with you and just go, and you can't say these things. And I think that's why corporates are an awful environment and why they pay so well. Corpor well gigs are a lot like performing for in front of your family yeah you know what i mean yeah speaking speaking of which have you had uh your family watch you perform so my family all come to the punch drunk gigs that i've run okay and at one of the events um i'm gonna just drop them in it dan Daniel Sloss, Mark Nelson, fucking Tom Horton.

Put MDMA in my pint. Ooh, damn. Before you get on stage. Before I got on stage. Shit. They put MDMA in my pint. Because I had one name set, Daniel. I don't mind if you spike me.

Just make sure you get the dosage right. Make sure I haven't taken anything already. Like, just fucking keep an eye on us. But, like, I've always looked at it as, free drugs right and i've always and that's true friendship i mean if your friends are not going to spike you uh who will nah enemies people are rapists you'd rather your friends spike you than your enemies if your enemies spike you you're in trouble and you're going to probably die yeah because they're not going to give a shit about dosage so i'd say that what was it like performing on md so i'd say that that it was then afterwards i was just like not when i'm at work not when my parents are in the room

like what are you doing oh i knew exactly what had happened when i come up on stage right i felt it in me bones you know like that feeling when the consciousness yeah because when you're when you're tripping or when you're rolling you're super conscious of the people who are not tripping with you. So suddenly, were you feeling like you were just being stared at by all these people? Nah, nah, nah, I just got this, like I'm pretty confident anyway,

and I'm in a room full of my people, like it's in Blythe, it's in my hometown, I don't even need to worry about the accent, I've already had a couple of drinks. And then I thought to myself, like, fuck it, I just, I was just like thought i was chris rock i'm piercing around the stage i'm starting to have this deaf comedy jam style delivery and then i was like i'm on pills in my head and i just i introduced the next actor

at the stage ran straight up to daniel and just and just went do you think this is my first picnic do you think i don't know what it like? So you had no idea you were spiked till you got on stage or did you know before you got on? Well, there was a telltale sign when I was, I went into the green room, which is full of my friends, right?

And everybody ignored me. Like it was as if I was invisible. And my pint was on the table and I grabbed my pint and they're like talking amongst themselves. And I'm just like on the edge of the social situation just like some fucking nervous outsider yeah in my own gig with my best friends who like i've even if they're on the if they're not on the

bill they've come down to hang out and all of a sudden i'm just i've got this feeling of being invisible and i'm just like what's wrong with them guys and just stood on my own in the corner drinking this pint well they had they had went act normal when kai comes in and they had mistaken act normal from ignoring us ignoring right so i picked up i picked up on the fact that something was up i just didn't put my finger on it right and then when i came up on stage i was like ah here we go of course. So I've often wondered what it would be like to be rolling on MD and then just getting up on stage. Because I find that when I am tripping with my friends,

I turn into a heightened version of myself. So I'm just roasting everybody and we're all having a great time. It turns into like a little gig. But I often thought, can I do this on stage? What would that be like? But do you feel like it made you a better comic? I had to continue the rest of the gig and perform. My eyes were like saucers.

I was looking in the mirror and I was like, this is so fucking obvious. Like I don't hide, you can look at my face and guess what drugs I'm on. Like if I've been smoking weed, you can tell by my face. If I've been taking coke, you can tell by my face. If I've been taking coke, you can tell by my face. Pills, you can,

like anybody that's like known me for long enough can just go, right, that's what he's on. Like there's no, there's no styling it out for me. So when I was on stage at the end, like I'd managed to style it out for the full gig

and then I mentioned it at the end, what had happened as I was wrapping up after the headline act and everyone went went fucking nuts like everyone really cheered because it was like you know how some jokes are funny because the audience get the punchline and then when you say the punchline they feel like they've got some kind of ownership over the joke like they thought of the punchline then they hear it and then that gives them a big laugh yeah it was a bit like that kind of laugh where everyone had like is he on drugs like as if they went they're thinking it is it it's kind of taking drugs you know when i told

them i got spiked it was like the guy i fucking knew it i fucking knew that you are drugs was it was it like a heavy dosage did you have like a come down the next day or i mean i kept going after that so yes like because i went out on the town after that like we went out drinking and took some more so like you have a gig the next night? You know what? I think we did because that was the first of the run. Would you say that it was a different energy the next night? It was like, ah, shit.

I mean, nah. It all juiced out. We had a period of time around about that time, like 2015, 2016, around about about then where the fringe was every single day every single day would go hard every single day i'd be in the shower at three in the afternoon when i woke up and every single day i'd be fucking dragging my heels across town to get to the gig and then every single day i'd pull myself together put a good show on and then go again and go again dude i want to do some gigs with you guys

now when I get there yeah you know what we're like we're like fucking these fucking old men that used to be somebody like

when we talk about the sesh like we still we still have moments like when we went to Vegas that was like it was like last Vegas it was like getting

the old crew back together these are the people that used to go hard and then we go hard again and go still got it yeah but we're still young I mean come on yeah i still have like a few years but the thing is like people have got children now like that kind of changes things yeah it was like i'm not gonna on 40 i turned 40 in in uh in july okay so like there is a little bit of like just going back

down through the gears for me, that lifestyle. Yeah. I mean, I haven't gone as hard as that, like every night or anything. Like I kind of, it's for me, it's like maybe once a quarter, once every six months, but when I do, then I go, I go to space and I come back. That's how it should be. Yeah. You go to space and then that's for me, then I'm like for the next three days,

nobody like talk work with me because i'm traveling yeah and i'll actually do that dude when i'm tripping and people message me for work i'm like guys i can't talk right now i'm traveling so they actually think i'm on a flight or i'm at the airport they have no idea i'm literally i've got a friend who's a friend of the podcast, Barry Castagnola, right? And I've been to Amsterdam with him, like, fucking taking everything, right? And he's been making business phone calls while sideways, and he composes his stuff, and he handles his shit, he gets his ducks in a row, and he's like, right,

I've just got to fucking send this email in, because he works with a production company as well, and he's always got, like like the stuff he does transcend stand up like he'll do all kinds of stuff yeah and uh and he always just handles his business while he's while he's on a trip have the ability ability to do that they they can operate really well when they're high i think with me it all depends on how high I am. But for me, what's happened is over the years, it's always become something that I do, you know, to kind of, you know, pause, take a break from life. Yeah, that's what for me mentally, I'm just like, I don't want to deal with anything that's

waiting for me on the outside. So I time it in such a way that, you know, okay, fine, this is I'm on vacation right now. So nobody bother me. But I get what you mean. I've seen some people being highly operational when they're either stoned or when they're rolling. It's impressive. I had on Daniel Stag do, like one of the things for the patrons, like one of the bonus episodes, was the roast of Daniel Sloss,

which is out now, it's available. If anyone's catching up on this and you haven't seen it yet or you've just joined the Patreon, just scroll back a few. The of daniel sloss from vegas was right in the middle of us partying hard right in the i think it was like day three of a vegas trip with like 20 lads in there and i had to check into the bellagio i had to bring all the equipment set it all up and I also had like I was hosting the show so I had to roast

roast jokes for everybody or like a couple of roast jokes for everybody so I had like an extra bit of writing to do to everybody

else because everybody had to do a couple into the crowd and a couple of Daniel and I had to set it up against Daniel and then and then roast everybody

as I brought them on did you guys do this inside the suite in the suite in the suite in the bellagio penthouse so like we're just in there like we had a time the crowd shots for people not doing drugs so there's like little little snippets of the crowd shot but then um we recorded for like but nearly nearly two hours i think and and we ended up putting about 50 minutes up and loads of people were like loads of my friends were like mate you can't put

that out this is gonna get me into trouble you can't say that oh by the way that'll fuck up my green card if you say that or like it there and there was just so many bits of mine so i'd done all this writing and then if you're looking at it looks like i'll hardly do anything sometimes i'm just bringing them onto the stage but what what they don't see the cut is that like i'd said something like taboo about the family. And then they're just like, yo, my mother's gonna be pissed if she sees that. So I just fucking suck out loads of my jokes.

But that's crazy, isn't it? Because there are so many versions of yourself, right? There's a version of yourself that your family knows. There's a version of yourself that your friends know, your neighbors, your coworkers. And then there's the real you that your friends know. But then there's the real you that your friends know but then there's the real real you that only you know you know what i mean there's so many versions

and then you're existing on the spectrum you're just like okay what who's watching now what can i reveal to who yeah what can i do how naked can i get you know what i mean it's insane yeah that's what's good with like these uh podcasts with paywalls is that you start revealing way more about yourself than you would if it was just like a public broadcast. So that's what I think like it gives an extra layer of authenticity where you let them into the you that's around your friends. And you also know that the people who are watching are the ones who have already bought into you and as a brand or bought into your craft so

yeah yeah that's why i mean i'm a little comfortable discussing this if i was on an indian podcast right now i'd still be a little vague you know because i just hint about hint at doing stuff yeah it's crazy back home because all everyone especially the the right the far right the people who want to look for something to, you know, pin on you. So they'll scroll through this shit and like, oh, he said this, so he's this person, you know? Yeah, of course. And when we did the editing of the jokes for the, for the period, that wasn't to protect the, they love them jokes, but it's just to protect the acts and the integrity in their,

on our circles, you know? Yeah, because we bought into this life, right? integrity in our circles. Yeah, because we bought into this life, right? This is our life. We are so comfortable discussing literally anything under the sun. And then sometimes with our friends, they haven't signed up for it, as much as they love hanging out with us. And they're probably as filthy as us, but they haven't signed up for that kind of exposure. That kind of exposure. Yeah.

So some of them tend to get a little like, what the fuck why is why so many people watching this story right now but yeah life is short who gives a fuck nobody's gonna know like 50 years from now none of us are gonna be and then and then all it's gonna take is like um you have to do one thing foul in the wrong platform and somebody's gonna scour through all of your shit yes exactly and that's the thing with us right because we are constantly our trajectory hopefully will always be on an upward climb and then along the way the higher you go the more people are looking for shit you know oh also we've been doing this podcast since 2016 like we've been doing it regularly and as like um like as uh like we connect with our audience and they they pay for it so we work to make sure that they get what

the pay for twice a week we've had it on this like pain a semi-professional level for two years now but we used to be on such a just nobody's listen to this shit right back in 2016 and man what's that seven years opinions have changed like I often think I never used to legitimize mental health issues exactly I used to I remember having an opinion that like people need to keep

this is a this is a dated opinion of mine that I know I would have spoke about earnestly years ago disclaimer it's a dated opinion it's not who he is today but what's good

is you can edit that bit out and just put what I'm about to say next I used to have this opinion on anxiety that fuck off everybody's anxious we're all gonna die yeah me my wife me me family they're all gonna die i'm scared i am fucking i am trapped in a fucking elevator that's falling to the floor right and i'm fucking and i'm not gonna sit here like screaming like oh no i'm just gonna fucking try and pull myself up by my bootstraps and not act scared so that everybody else doesn't have to deal with me acting

scared because everybody's scared or i'm gonna die right and i look at that then i just look at like how the chem like how i've learned about the chemical imbalances that people have where they get that heightened fear for no reason and it can catch them like when the least expected and i'm just acting like it like it's like all this rational thing rather than actually. Yeah, I mean, for me also, that's what I call a Tuesday to be honest. And that's the whole thing, right?

Like go back 10 years, the kind of conversations we used to have, the kind of conversations everybody was having on social media versus now. I mean, that jump in terms of how much we're talking about the depth in terms of everything that we speak of is has been exponential so that's why i find it so dumb when people you know try to cancel somebody based on something they said 10 years ago look at this tweet from 2014 that's dude that's fucking ages ago yeah look for the shit that this person has said in the last three

weeks that is who they are don't fucking dig on take a chance to like try and educate yeah exactly and that's that's the other thing right why why why do we go after somebody and say okay no now you said this 10 years ago damn it you shouldn't have a job you shouldn't be able to feed your family you shouldn't it's such an extreme oh man and life moves so fucking fast have you ever seen the clips from soccer am from 10 years ago where they get they get like models on and they'll first of all they'll ask them how old they are right and it's just a all-male studio audience with a male host with a girl in a bikini going how old are you and she'll be like 19 and they'll all be going good age good age and this was daytime tv 10 in the morning like like anybody

kids are watching it like and they're learning this culture of fucking yes barely legal yeah yeah we can fuck her now a couple of years ago we wouldn't have been able to fuck her but now we can and that that doesn't even seem like that long ago when that was. Like fucking time moves out on you fast. I think now the only place where you see this sort of system where people are still on the edge, like of being inappropriate is porn sites. Like every scene, I don't know what is up with porn sites right now like if you go to porn hub everyone's fucking their steps i i i first saw that and i

was like how is this my algorithm i thought i was getting i thought i was getting fucking fed i'm like i i don't even have a step sister exactly and and and you and you try to like sort of then you try to filter it and you run your own searches like, okay, if I think this particular, you know, everyone has a favorite porn star because they look like somebody they wanted to fuck. Janice Griffith. Yeah. Yeah, Janice Griffith, gotta love her. That's my quickie. That's my safe, like,

I'm not going to peruse porn I'm going to find here because I know that I'm going to be in the hotel room in five minutes. And now when you search for their names as well, even they're doing the same fucking roles. Why is everyone fucking, I mean, what is this like something that's happening? Is this something happening in the West? I've got no idea. Who, how did this start?

This never used to happen before. It was, I remember for the longest time, Naughty America was the king, right? Naughty America was the king. They would have these, and they would have these amazing storylines, Naughty Secretary, you know. The old school stuff, the old school stuff my sister's

hot friend all of that which which you which you all you know forbidden but yeah okay fine it's still okay right sister's hot friend fine yeah who doesn't want to fuck yeah why is incest the mainstream yeah and now incest has become mainstream bro you check any fucking site it's all stepsister step stepmother sometimes it's stepsister and stepmother at the same time. Like, what the fuck? So let's get this straight. Those two are related. Yeah.

That's a mother-daughter. That's a proper mother-daughter. Then they have this weird thing where there'll be a guy who's hooking up with this MILF. The MILF is the stepmom to another younger girl. And then all three of themmom to another younger girl. And then all three of them want to fuck each other. And I'm just like, man, I don't know if it's an American thing.

I don't know what's happening. It's coming out of Texas. I think it may be a new generation thing. I don't know if it's the youngins. It could be, yeah. It could be. I'm very interested. Can I get nocturnal, consensual, can I just get, can I just get two married

people who love each other? Yeah. Like, I often wonder, like, I'm interested in finding out how they go about developing scripts. I mean, script is, is, is giving them too much credit to be really honest. More like a storyline, like where at some point did everybody sit around the table and go, Hey guys, we need something new, you know what I mean? Yeah. What's what I mean?

Yeah, what's the next thing? It was probably just them going, right, we need to move on from this barely legal thing. We need to move on from barely legal. We need a classic misdirection. Look, your sister, fuck your sister. The Nelly Court has been borderline pedos. Yeah.

And another very twisted one is this swapping thing. And so've taken the whole wife swapping or a husband swapping partner swapping concept and now they've got like dudes swapping their daughters the fuck yeah it's i'm just like what the and and i have the same why is this showing up on my uh yeah that was the thing that caught me off guard when that first started happening because like obviously when you're on fucking uh instagram when you're scrolling i'm getting like i built a dog park with my wife i'm getting loads of fucking dog stuff sponsored links for like cleaning your dog's ears and all that right um when the snowboard season comes around i'm there going ah look there's loads of snowboarding gear and you know what it's I've always found that this the focused advertising it feels intrusive yeah but it's

actually helpful yeah because I've always described it as it's like somebody breaking into your house and tidying up exactly it's been violated yeah like but they've done you a service exactly you know the phones are listening to everything you're saying yeah right so it was so weird like I mean for me what happens is when i'm on stage i'm great i have a great gig i'm great which when i'm off stage is when i struggle with my mental health especially when i'm touring you know you know how it is you don't know on by yourself yeah you can get homesick you can have leave you have those lows right and i was

talking to my girlfriend about it and like yeah i'm feeling a little depressed and then I'm having my moments by myself. And then suddenly Instagram shares a nice video that really lifted me up. And I'm just like, it was hilarious because this, this app is also one of the leading causes of my depression. And then at the same time, they're also then go, Hey, sorry, sorry about that. Here's a video to cheer you up. And then I video actually, it's like the it's like i hate you because i love you yeah it's so funny but yeah man technology but i always feel like if you take any man's you know laptop and go through

his his uh porn hub history everybody would be in prison. Yeah. Uh, people would be like, Kai really likes dudes. He always likes more men than women in the scene. Yeah. Yeah. I think, I think he might be gay. Yeah.

Uh, uh, the, the, your phone fucking clicked so much on you that they're not even aware that it's collected. And then profiles you. Yeah. You talk about something and the next thing you know, fucking there's an ad for it. You see. Earlier it used to be just targeted advertising. I remember you say, you know, yeah, I want to buy, let's say, you know, a baby stroller. And then suddenly you see ads for baby strollers.

Now the content is also uh being uh sort of curated on the basis of the conversations you're having outside yeah and also your location of your phone so like if you're spending a lot of time in specific shops or specific places it knows when you've been to the driving range yeah and then it'll tell you about like these like new golf clubs or whatever like it it it's clock and everything that you're doing and then i reckon it's does it not like it it works out what you scroll past and what you stay on as well like it's it's really there is it it's that thing i heard a thing where it goes if if it's free you're the product yeah if it's free you're the product so when you're on social media that's free yeah like that's because you're the product. If it's free, you're the product. So when you're on social media, that's free.

Like that's because you're paying for it with information about yourself. And that's the thing that annoys me. If that's how it works, why don't our shows sell out faster? You know what I mean? Like, if people are watching standup, if somebody is watching standup

and they're in Perth right now, and then they'd be like, hey, check out Kai, he's doing a show in Perth. Like, check, no, our shows should show up right and then that's that's another side of the fucking uh the hold they've got on it they know that that's something you're trying to sell by the words that you use ticket link ticket link or even just putting the date or a city in a date next to each other and then it gets them and go whoa whoa whoa whoa you're trying to sell something here pay for it pay for it pay for it if you're trying to sell it i've always like you're trying

not to take it personally but like i can fart on facebook and get a good response like i'll go on and i'll say something and i'll have an interaction now i'll like i'll make an observation and it always like gives us the validation that you fucking crave from social media right you always get like the interaction with people and then sometimes i'll put a show on i'm like oh these people like me i feel liked i feel like i've got a good connection with the people that i'm friends with on social media and then i'll put something out and it'll get like next to nothing yeah and then i'm like oh maybe like maybe they didn't think is that funny or whatever like or maybe i'm not doing that well they've done it's that it's the fucking they put a stranglehold on something they're trying to sell.

Yeah. They basically just killed organic reach, right? So when Facebook pages just started, I remember this would have been around the turn of 2015,

2016, Facebook pages were just becoming a thing. We would, if I had a show on a Wednesday and I posted about it on Tuesday,

on Sunday, it was sold out by Wednesday because everybody got to know I was doing a gig and so if i'm not mistaken i think the organic reach was as high as 80 percent now it's less than five percent what i've been told is that right yeah that makes a lot of sense because when i started running punch drunk um back in 2009 before like before my brother got on board

and made it a proper thing right it was just this like occasional one-off event in the sports center where i worked and i could just put on one post and just say who's after tickets yeah dm me if you want tickets and then i do all my ticket and through direct messaging off people like now even though i've fucking my followings like fucking exponentially more than it was then if i put on i'm going to do a show in this town on that day, DM if you want tickets. I now think, well, I'll just get like the odd message. Yeah. Whereas it used to be, I'd reach everybody. Yeah. And does this happen to you where you do a gig in a particular city and after you leave the city and then you say, okay, hey, I'm doing a gig in this city now.

And then people go like, hey, when are you doing a gig in Perth? And you're like, dude, I was just in Perth. And I was constantly talking about doing shows in Perth. Where the fuck were you? And they're like, dude, I was just done. And I was constantly talking about doing shows in both. Where the fuck were you? And they're like, I had, I had no idea. Yeah. And you're like, shit, I've been like singing this from the rooftop. Yeah.

Into the void, into the void for. So, yeah. So, so in a way I'm kind of grateful to social media that I have the career that I have right now, but I also, it's, it's a very toxic relationship where now you're just like, you know, I have to pay you now to reach the people who voluntarily like my work. Even after giving you all other pieces of my life that makes you billions of dollars in ad revenue. Can you not give me something back? You're already making a fuck ton of money out of me as just a consumer.

Like selling data to advertising companies. Yeah. So just fucking tell more people that I have shows. That's i'm saying reciprocate the relationship yeah how many great t-shirts does mark zuckerberg need that's that's that's the billion dollar question like how much is too much like how much is too much mark if you can hear this i'm pretty sure he's hearing this right now through our phone oh yeah yeah it's just getting yeah let's try a different color my friend gray maybe it's not a good look on you maybe it's making you this kind of person that thinks that yeah you know you need to fill the abyss with more wear yellow mark you can't be unhappy when you wear yellow exactly that's a nice color that's also the color of

comedy by the way laughter is it actually yeah yellow is the laugh is the color of laughter and do a lot of do a lot of comedy logos and backdrops have yellow yes they do they're actually and is that just does that happen knowingly are there people i don't know i i'm guessing a lot of graphic designers know this but uh apparently a lot of colors signify uh moods so blue is more you know sometimes you used to communicate sadness, but a brighter blue. So how does that like the sky is nice and blue now and a blue sky, a blue sky. So a brighter, lighter blue apparently is, is, is, is happy. Yeah, it's a, it makes you feel good. So I'm wearing this.

Yeah. But a darker shade of blue, like see the one behind you. Oh yeah. So that's kind of like, that makes you feel blue. So if I'm looking at that art, yeah. You know what I mean? I just like, ah, shit. So that's kind of like- That makes you feel blue. So if I'm looking at that art. Yeah, you know what I mean? I'm just like, ah, shit.

But I think in general, brighter colors tend to make you feel happier. But even with food, apparently certain colors make the food more appealing for you to eat. Yeah. Like green. Green is a color that we know. Yeah, I'll eat that. Unless you're eat. Yeah. Like green, green is a color that we like. Yeah, I'll eat that. Unless you're Scottish. Yeah, but if your broccoli was red, you would probably be like,

that looks weird. Yeah, what's going on here? Yeah, whereas in Scotland, they're just like, beige makes me feel good. Yeah. Can I have beige food, please? Yeah. I mean, I'm just pinning all of Scotland

on Daniel and Cara, who have probably got turkey dinosaurs and smiley faces what's that dish in scotland that's very popular uh haggis leaps turnips how is that i've never tried potatoes there's teddies it's good because they put like a whiskey sauce on it haggis is like it came there from the same family as black pudding okay i'm going to say where it's like kind of I'm tempted to say like a pig's intestines or some shit like it's like fucking stomach it's like it's it's like the part of the animal that you wouldn't eat. And what do they stuff it with? I think and then I mean I'm just speculating I'm just speculating but I'm sure

it's like sheep gut or something. I'm saying pig's intestines. I think it's sheep gut. Sheep gut, okay. Yeah. But I think it is like organs rather than meat. This is me guessing. Sort of like the spears.

Yeah. So in Goa, where I'm from, we have something called Goan pork sausages, which is similar. It's intestine. It's it's intestine it's it's pig intestines with pork in it right and with uh sort of like it's cute it's cured with uh sort of like we call what's the english word for a masala masala we say masala yeah so basically a goan masala which is very pungent and spicy and oh my god it's so delicious yeah is it good one of my favorite we were talking about this when we left india but yeah do you have korma in india is that frowned

upon what is that like korma is there like you know if you're getting a curry there's six of you and you're ordering you're ordering an indian meal and yeah yeah you get but like i'll have a boona i'll have a madras and then you've got somebody there who doesn't like spicy food right they'll get the korma okay so is that is that a non spicy this is great to find out that you don't have in India because it's like I imagine you would just totally thrown it but it's like a curry without spices in it's like fucking thick chicken soup or korma korma it's like a space free curry it doesn't hurt it, it's got flavor and it's tasty, sure. But you're wasting your order

if you get the Korma. So in India, I mean, from my personal experience, I mean, I don't know. I always associated Korma with vegetarian gravy. Okay.

Yeah. So in the restaurants, I remember, they always say like veg Korma. Chicken, I'm not sure if I've seen a chicken Korma, but for some reason, in my restaurant, I always say like veg korma, chicken, I'm not sure if I've seen a chicken korma, but I've, for some reason in my head, it's always been korma is a veg gravy. So, and I've never been, I'm not like, I eat, I eat a lot of vegetables, but not as a main,

you know what I mean? It's more like a salad. I love, I love green leafy stuff on the side, but not as my main. I ended up doing a joke. I was just riffing on stage about, because do you know in the UK, when in the like 80s and 90s, if a kid was sick, the mother would get out a bottle of Lucozade, but it was before Lucozade had become like isotonic sports drink. It was just like fizzy original, like not orange or anything.

And the bottle would be sticky like the way it got bottled it was like it was just been spilling over so you'd give your sick kid this like sticky bottle of lucas aid and it probably had no medicinal value you're just caffeinating your child that's what's happening right and i just uh i just spun this yard i was like do you know in india the mothers use korma very much in the same way you use Lucozade for your sick child. And I just made this thing that is just like, get the korma out of the fridge. Here's your sticky ball of korma. Because in India, like, we go out with friends all the time to have a meal.

And I do not recall a single instance where anybody has ever gone, hey, I'll have the korma. That, that. Never. Do you like spicy food? I love it, yeah. I do not recall a single instance where anybody has ever gone hey I'll have the korma that it's never I always say do you like spicy food I love it yeah can you stomach it I'm getting better

as I get older with spicy food I've started like putting hot sauce on more things and going for the spicy option when I'm getting a ramen

I'll go for the extra hot option occasionally like I feel I think I've kind of observed this in the last 10 years, maybe because everyone's traveling now and there's so many multicultural cuisines available everywhere you go.

So I think everyone's palette is kind of widened. But there was a time like when I was younger, like I remember if my cousins were visiting from another country, they couldn't handle anything we gave them. And I'm just like, what the fuck are you doing here? Just go back. Go back to Canada, what the fuck are you even here? Just go back.

Go back to Canada, you weak fuck. It's actual, it starts, when something's got lots of chillies in, for instance, it starts feeling like it's actually hot, like temperature hot. So you start having this self-preservation thing of like, you feel like the inside of your mouth's burning. So I think once you get past the mind game of that,

and you can touch the food you can put your finger in your ramen and see that it's actually not going to scald you and then once you can mind over matter you can start enjoying the flavours I just think there's too much of the like instinct when you're dabbling with hot food

that you never go back to it that you always just go well I'm not going to go back and try that because I've decided that it hurts. But when you realize that it's just like, it only hurts in the matrix. For us, like spicy food just is so natural. We grew up with it. And even now, although there are a lot of Indians back home

who also don't like spicy food. Like my girlfriend, for instance, she doesn't like spicy food. She doesn't like chilies. So when I cook, I don't use chilies in any of my preparations. But she grew up in India as well. She grew up in India as well. How did she avoid that? So for some people, it's just some, they don't like it. They can't handle it. You know, like maybe have a reaction. It would be like an Irish person not liking potatoes. Exactly. Yeah. But which is weird because in her family, her dad loves spicy food. So it was hilarious

because he, when he came to visit us, we live together when he came to visit us and that was the first time i was meeting him and i really wanted to make an impression yes i cooked my best dishes every day was a signature dish you know yeah good and then he would be like yeah but it's not as spicy as i as i like it and i'm like it's because of your daughter i think she doesn't like spicy it's like I'm batch cooking it's like I'm caught in between a rock and a hard place and I'm like who the fuck

do I make happy on this trip so what I do is and of course you know happiness comes first if you're watching

this baby and so I never put chillies in the gravy but I will eat raw chillies alongside it because I need

that hit of spice. I need, for me, like spicy food makes me feel alive. Yeah, I really want one of your signature dishes now. Next time you guys come down to India, just hit me up, stay a little longer when you're in Bangalore. Come over, I'll cook you a nice Indian meal. I'll make you my signature. We've got this on record.

Yeah, yeah, I understand. We're taking them up for that. We're having Gorn food. Always, always, comedians'll make you my signature. We've got this on record. Yeah, yeah. I take it for that. We're having gone food. Always, always. Comedians always welcome to my place. Come over, chill for a bit.

I'll get you guys a nice meal. Excellent, mate. Well, let's end on that offer. Awesome. Have you got anything to plug?

Is there anything people can say? Bear in mind, there's people from all over the world watch this podcast and this is going out on the public episode

so you're hitting a few people so yeah so I mean I'm wrapping up I think by the time this episode drops I'll be done we'll be finished

but the thing that you could do is check me out on YouTube follow me on Instagram you can probably put the details up over there yeah and just follow me

and if you like my stuff and the next time I'm in your city come check me out yeah are you going to come to the Edinburgh Fringe not this year

but I'm hoping to visit the UK towards the end of the year but I'm still figuring out great the details I might be doing UK

I might be doing Europe as well hopefully Canada and the US maybe next year so listen up if you're from any of these places follow Daniel

but put the notifications on because as soon as he puts up the dates it'll stop you from saying it so pop him on notifications and keep an eye on where he's going or like actually physically go and have a look at his website do you have a website? no not my website and hey you know already

I'm on tour I imagine you've already got your tickets but I'm going to be in the UK doing a bunch of spots, spots, tour shows. London, Liverpool, Manchester,

Leicester and Newcastle. I'm missing somewhere. Leicester said Leicester. Look it up. Yeah. Bye. you