Slow Baja - Los Sagrados Horse Sanctuary

Episode Date: July 18, 2024

Meet Noel Bhavani Cianci, the founder and owner of Los Sagroados Horse Sanctuary in Pescadero. On a recent trip to Baja Sur, I chose to stay at Los Sagrados when I was looking for out-of-the-ordinary and “on-brand” accommodations near Todos Santos for my conversation with Carl Honoré. Carl is an award-winning author, TED speaker, and the voice of the slow movement. We found Los Sagrados quickly, just inland from Highway One, a short drive down a dirt road and behind a large locked gate. The ranch accepts guests happily. Carl stayed in a tidy stone cabin, and I chose the glamping tent. There’s a bunk room inside the barn, and camping (for a fee) is allowed. The property features a communal kitchen and bathrooms. The outdoor showers may be the best in Baja! In this Slow Baja Conversation, we discuss Noel’s background in fashion styling and the healing arts, her long love of horses, the sanctuary’s history, visiting and volunteering opportunities, and the slow vibe that permeates the property. Learn more about Los Sagrados Horse Sanctuary: https://lossagrados.org/ Get your Baja insurance here: https://www.bajabound.com/quote/?r=fl... More information on Slow Baja Adventures: https://www.slowbaja.com/adventures

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Today's guest is Noel Bavani Sianzai of Los Sagrados Horse Sanctuary in Pescadero, down in Baja soar. Now, Noel was kind enough to put me up with the guest of Slow Baja conversation number 150, which is just around the corner. I can't believe it, 150 episodes. But I had Carl Honoré in town. He had come into Baja for the modern elder academy, and he came in a few days early, and I was able to pick him up at the airport and old Slow Baja and drove up the coast to Pescadero and down a dirt road. And Carl was just in front. London he thought the whole thing was pretty damn cool anyways we stayed at the sanctuary and i was in a glamping tent car was in a beautiful stone cabin there's another room inside the the horse stable

itself inside the barn um you can camp there met a wonderful judge from uh alaska susan if you're listening is so lovely to spend a little time with you she she was there in her sprinter van my film crew camped in tents and in their truck uh it's a very cool spot and it probably has the best dam showers in all of Baja. So check it out Los Sagado's horse sanctuary and super thanks to Nuel for reaching out to her pal, Javier, Placencia, and getting me and the film guys hooked up. Javier took care of us for dinner to thank me for bringing baseball gear to the kids of Toto Santo. So without further ado, Nuel Bavani Sianzay, Los Cigratas horse sanctuary today on Slow Baja.

Noel, hey. Hi. Welcome to Slow Barso. Baja, or I should say, I'm stoked to be at your Los Sagados horse and donkey sanctuary because it's super slow Baja. Yeah, we're kind of working on the slow. That's our focus, slowing people down. Yeah, super slow. It's wonderful. Thank you. I want to pay you a compliment right off the bat.

Sure thing. I don't know who your plumber is. I don't know what's going on here, but you have the best shower in Baja, and I'm not kidding. Wow, I appreciate that. I designed it with a lot of love. Yeah, this is year 40 for me in Bahá. Oh, cool.

Started off as just a dumb college kid, pretty young. But son of a gun, that's a damn nice shower. Thank you so much. We wanted it to be an outdoor, indoor shower. Yeah, yeah. So let's talk about, tell me about your journey. Where am I? What am I doing here?

What's this place all about? It's wonderful. You landed in a place to desert bathe, as we say, with the beautiful Sierra de la Laguna mountains behind us. We're in the chaparrels, the foothills of the mountains in the back part of Pescadero. I like to call it backcountry, Pescadero. And we're just minutes from the sea,

but in a world that speaks closer to nature, we have a lot of beautiful trees here. The horses have a lot of great shade. We wanted to create a sanctuary that people could come and de-stom, distress, decompress, be moved by grounding, you know, having a bit of eco-therapy, I think is the new wave of relaxation, and that's how we wanted to create a back-to-earth experience. Well, you did it. It's wonderful. I really enjoyed staying in a, I was in a glamping tent

last night. My new friend, Carl Honore, in praise of slowness, was in your cabin, which was lovely. You couldn't get the guy out of here today. He was chilling out in your hammock and was wonderful. And we met you at the farmer's market in town. He directed us to the best service toastadas and fish tacos. It was really lovely. Nice. I'm glad you're having a good first day.

Yeah. The place has a sort of serenity. So it lets people drop into another vibe. And it's hard to tell time here. Yeah, exactly. So how did you get here? I got here in 1995. I was working as a wardrobe stylist and photographer in Los Angeles for many years. I was in the industry. And I was working on a sports illustrated project with a photographer named Philip Dixon. And Philip was a big Baja fan. And he always brought shoots down here. So we shot in Cabo. And after the shoot, he invited me to come. to Toto Santos to visit some friends. We stayed a few extra days and I met Toto Santos in 1995 for the first time.

Cool. And there I began my journey with horses. I met a woman named Ova, who was a legend here, or is a legend here, and she had horses in the Pestora area. And he dropped me there to ride with Ova, and I fell in love with Baja and the whole scene. I would go back to L.A. work and then come down and bring Uva's horse supplies, halters, things like that. Now, you told me a story. You bought your first horse, didn't tell your parents or anything. You took some time off doing stuff that teenagers do, they thought, and you came home.

So, Dad, I bought a horse. That's right. I was 16. I bought my first Morgan Arab, Mello Fellow, we called him. And my dad was real proud of me. He said, I bought a good horse. It's a good compliment from a dad, right? That's right.

Yeah. It'd be like going off and buying your first car without asking for your dad's help. Very true. Very true. So you've got a good one. I got a good one. He checked his feet and he gave me the A-OK. And what brought that on?

You've had a history with horses. Obviously, you don't walk out and buy a horse. Yeah. I had an older sister that I have passion for horses, and she was a really great hunter-drumper. She was 10 years older than me. So we kind of grew up at the barn and worked the barn and helped the barn out with pony rides and lessons and camps. And then I just

sort of fell into the horse thing and bought my first horse at 16 and then took that horse to college with me. Awesome. Awesome. And so college, post-college working in New York? Working in New York. Cost you your horse, you had to move it along to somebody who would take good care of Mellow Fellow. Let's talk about that for a little bit. Fellow Fellow was a really special horse. He was sort of push button. I trained him to be, you could command him at a walk track canter. And so he ended up being a great therapy horse before the word therapy horse was even in the world.

And so we ended up, I donated him to a wonderful organization that has a history of working with handicapped children and children with autism. And so he did great there. Yeah, and you eventually got your way out to Los Angeles so you could have a horse. Yeah, I went out to Los Angeles. Lots of decisions being made in your life revolving around can you or cannot you, can you or can't you have a horse? That's right. Horses have always kind of called me to places. And I worked in Los Angeles for many years.

And every time I would have a little burnout from heavy loads of work and long hours, I would go off on a vacation. riding horses wherever it would be. Can you talk about that a little bit? What being on a horse does? What the interaction, what the connection to a horse and to horses is? I mean, I grew up with horses. We had 10 acres. I mean, horses were just, I hopped on a bearback and rode around with a halter

in my entire childhood. But not everybody had that. Yeah, it's a very unique heart and soul connection. I think that people generally feel, a little more relaxed around horses than they're aware of. Horses keep us in the present. You cannot really be around horses if you're thinking about the past or if you're worried about the future because it's not safe.

And it's also, they require our total awareness. So they're big teachers in awareness, and I think they're big teachers in connecting the heart, connecting your soul, slowing down, and also just being grounded, being in nature. For me, that was always very healthy, and it was always healthy for my mental health to be around their vibration, their energy field, calming, serenity. Take me through 1995. Like a Sports Illustrated swimsuit model thing, because they don't do a lot in Cabo unless you're doing that kind of stuff.

It was just a, I think it wasn't the calendar shoot. It was just another shoot from the magazine. Okay. So take me from that first trip and then you're coming back here whenever you get a chance to now you have this sanctuary. Yeah. You're all in. I am all in. I always wanted to have a horse rescue.

I was hoping that I would partner with Uva Anderson on her horse project. But then my life unfolded here and my partner is a farmer and he had owned this land. His name is Ross Vale. He's a legendary iconic farmer here in the Baja. He's been farming in this area for 40 years. And he knew that I had had Habibi for about three years. And I was moving him to different barns. And I wanted to find some place that was really longstanding and that had some future.

So we created this sanctuary together. And he donated this land to the project. Wow. So we created a nonprofit. it. Wow. So let's get into that. Yeah. What do you do here? What, who comes? You're already hooked up with my buddy John Davies, Slow Baja, Love. That's right. That's right. Yeah, Los Olas recovery. That's wonderful. We love helping people heal. We feel that our concentration is not really in jumping or equine activities that involve competition. We do desert trail rides here. We do horseback riding lessons. We do

horseback riding lessons, like very conscious horsemanship lessons. We teach people about how to tackle horse up, how to take a horse out, how to bathe the horse, everything, all aspects of horsemanship. We have a little kids camp, a multi-day kids camp we offer. She just ended the day I arrived, so I missed it, unfortunately. Yeah, we had four days of 20 children here. We raised money for some of the local kids to have scholarships to those programs. next year we're also we're doing some meditation with horses we're doing Reiki with horses

body work with horses things like that sound healing with horses it's just really about healing arts I think and how we can bring the equine therapy or equine assisted services to people in a very natural way

you have a little background as a healer you're you're you're you're doing Reiki you're doing kundalini yoga you've got you've got this in your soul you can't can't help it yeah i am i've been a certified kundalini yoga teacher for over 20 years i also am a rakey master i'm also a life coach so working with the horses in those in those ways is um really helpful for people our clients really feel heard seen um when i'm working with somebody the horse is really the person that's helping or the entity that's helping the person. The horse is non-judgmental. The horse allows people to be very present, to feel safe.

They don't feel judged. So maybe we need to cut them. No, no. Good. No, we're good. They don't feel judged as important these days. Yeah, absolutely. And the horses are really, they're like the miracle workers.

they make people feel Zen. Everybody who walks away from this experience here feels like they're calmer, they're smiling, they're feeling in their body. And I think that that's really what we need right now as we face this epidemic of being on our devices, of being overstimulated. And it's just therapeutic to feed a horse or to give a horse water. Just to be around them, to hear them. Yeah, absolutely.

To hear them, you know, doing their horse things. Sure thing. Yeah. So you've got this amazing sanctuary. What can people do here like me hit you up to say, hey, I've got this master of slow. We're looking for a slow experience. And you provided the slow experience for us with the glamping and his cabin. You've got some folks camping here a little bit.

Some folks in the Van Life world. My photographer team is hanging out here. You seem to be open to people who aren't. causing problems. Yeah, absolutely. We like to have people have a little personal retreat here. They could come for a day, a week, a month. We also hold women's groups. We also hold writers' retreats. We also hold recovery retreats here. People can kind of have a curated experience where we bring in body workers or we bring in massage therapists or chefs, things to. to support their experience.

It's a little rustic, and I think that's part of the healing journey, being outside, our bath or house, our bath houses outside. It involves you being here, being on the land. And I think that's part of the experience. Yeah, it's just wonderful to hear the crunch of the earth under my feet, under my Haratchez. Back to nature.

Yeah, it's wonderful. Hey, tell me a little bit about Ross and the farm. Ross's farm. is next door, and he has a beautiful farm across the road in Pescadero. We grow, or he grows a lot of herbs, herbs like sage, rosemary, mint, tarragon, basil. We also grow an herb called Damiana, which is a beautiful tea that we're drinking right now. And an aphrodisiac, so Slow Baja knows that. But it's also an adaptogenic.

and so it works with your nervous system. It calms the heart. And I think ultimately it just creates a really relaxing experience. It's also the tea I call it like the ginseng of the Baja. So it's very good for your kidneys. It's great for your digestive system. Great. I'll take it.

Yeah. Thank you for brewing some for me. Sure. Yeah, I think 20 years ago when we were here, Damiana was in those bottles with the big woman in the body of the body. The woman, the voluptuous woman. The pregnant woman. Yeah, and I'm trying to think of the sculptor's name, the bottle reminds me of his sculpture work. But what I'm getting to is in my first experiences with Damiano.

We're only in a margarita. This is serious. This is the real deal. This is the real deal. This is the pure medicinal. We also have a line of Damiana products centered around this, and some of the proceeds from that line go back to here at the horse rescue. Right. And you've got a chocolate bar, beautiful, hand-crafted, serious chocolate bar.

Baja Mandela, yeah. And we have five flavors. They're all made with herbs from the farm, herbal oils from the farm. So is there something you want to talk about? I wanted to ask you about this horse behind me. Can you tell me his story? Habibi. Yeah, Habibi was a rescue that I acquired after O'Diel.

Hurricane O'Dill. Hurricane O'Don. Devastated this area. Yeah, about nine years ago. And this horse was owned by a man here in the area who could not afford to keep him. And so I met Habibi, and he had a little of a lower back issue. But he's turned out to be a really wonderful part of, an integral part of the ranch. He's not the kind of horse you can ride for hours, but he is a wonderful therapy horse,

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Can you talk a little bit about what happens in an experience when you bring local kids here? You've got some programs. You've got some goals. So you're really working on young women, trying to make young women understand that there's more. There's more in the world than maybe they've understood up until this point. And putting them in charge of their lives and their bodies. And I think you've got some lofty goals.

I'd love to you to tell me a little bit about that. Sure, sure. Well, I think that there's a lot of sports for boys here. There's a lot of baseball and some other wonderful sports that encourage boys to be together and be teammates. And there's really a lack of children, females, girls, uniting and doing things together. So I would like to raise some awareness with this topic. And next year, we're writing a grant proposal of a program that we're going to call Taking the Rains. And Taking the Rains is about leadership. It's about teaching these young girls between 10 and 14, 15 in that age range.

that they can create some boundaries in their life. They can create some discipline. They can also feel more empowered and have some more leadership skills that the horse can teach them, being on horseback, being with the horses. And I think these girls are going to benefit from this program deeply because I think they're really not finding their way in our own. our community in Pescadero, there's not that many things for them to be part of. So this is a really nice program, and I've seen some really great results in other parts of the country and other

parts of the U.S. with this program helping the girls lower their pregnancy rates. And in this area, that's a big issue. So we hope that this could be a very high impact. Yeah, something that takes the ranch in a direction of really healing the local struggles. Yeah. So how is the ranch? How is the nonprofit funded? What can you talk about a little bit about that and a little bit about how maybe people can participate and help if they're so inclined?

Yes. We have a sponsor a horse program. You can sponsor a horse for a month, three months or a year. We also have two donkeys that are part of the herd. Heard them early this morning. And we also have. You can sponsor a clinic, you can sponsor a vet clinic, you can sponsor Hay for a month. You could sponsor a ferrier clinic as well. We also take donations from US companies. We have an organization that we work with

and nonprofit in the States that is a partner of ours. We also have a nonprofit here in Mexico. So there's many ways you can help. You can also volunteer. Come in and volunteer for a day if you're touring. We do have a fee for that because it's an experience of equine connection and we teach a lot. We also have volunteers that come in Monday, Wednesday, and Fridays are our volunteer hours, 9 a.m. to 11. And those people really are dedicated and devoted to being here six to nine hours a week. How else you can help is there are many things that we need. We have an Amazon wish list. For example, Sydney here got a new collar this month or a new halter. Sydney.

Wish list. A barn always needs a lot of supplies. So here she is. Come on in, Sidney. Would you like to do some, she does breath of fire. We also have a trailer that we use and we always need parts for that kind of thing. So there's many ways to help. Hey, I wanted to ask you about the native, the wild, the borough population here.

You've got burrows on the property. Donkeys can, excuse my ignorance. I'm not quite sure the proper terminology. Is there a difference between a donkey and a burrow, or is it one and the same? A donkey and a borough are the same. Okay. A mule and a donkey is different. Definitely different.

Okay. So I got that, I have half of it right. And Baja's icon is the donkey, right? Right. So can we talk a little bit about what's going on with the donkey population here? Yeah. I don't know a lot, but I know they're in decline. So, yes, the donkey population has declined.

and we had 1.5 million in the early 90s in Mexico, and we have 300,000 now in the whole country. So we're really working hard to preserve Baja donkeys and to create some awareness. It's very sad here because they're often killed on the highway. There's a lot of lack of trafficking regulations and a lot of accidents on the road with livestock in general. Sure. That's probably the most dangerous thing.

People always worry about You're going to Mexico and aren't you concerned about the cartels? And it's, no, it's driving is the most dangerous thing I do here. No driving at night. No driving at night. Of course, I do have to drive. Which is a slow way, right? But yeah, no driving at night.

And the slower you go, save a donkey, go slow. Maybe we're onto something there. Absolutely. And we have a program here where you do walking a donkey, which is really lovely. A lot of people have never touched a donkey, have never been close to a donkey. So even children feel really connected to that experience. And we also have a connecting with our herd experience that involves just like sitting out here like we're doing and being with them. Yeah, you know, there's something really beautiful about Baja and donkeys go together.

I was in Zacquititos yesterday and the donkeys are just wandering right on up and they come up to your car and say hello and I'm assuming that people are feeding them carrots and other things there. But there's just a beautiful, there's beautiful curiosity in the donkeys here. Yeah, we really need to respect them. They're highly intelligent animals. Did you know how long a donkey lives? I have no idea. 40 to 50 years. Amazing.

Isn't that amazing? And do you know that they won't forget your face for 20 years? They have an incredible memory. Wow. Another thing about donkeys that I taught the kids yesterday was they don't have an odor. Donkeys? Yeah. Horses have a smell, but if you touch a donkey, they are odorless.

Yeah. So we have Sydney here. the white the white donkey here and Cosmo, her cousin, the Pinto. He's beautiful.

Cosmo is about seven years old in Sydney's four. And we hope that we can increase our donkeys here at the sanctuary and help a few more have a safe

and calm life. Terrific. Well, best place for folks to find out about you. Where's the best place for folks? Our website. And we also have an

Instagram page that's kind of fun. We have a link in bio section there that you can book an experience. You can go for a desert trail ride. You can just visit the ranch. We also rent the ranch for venues, birthday parties, for children, kinsignettas, weddings, showers, things like that as a location. And your rooms are on Airbnb? Our rooms are on Airbnb.

You could also have a day retreat here, bring your own retreat group here, and we can help you with some equine therapy, equine assisted learning services, or things to do with your group. So let's shout out that website. Tell me your web address. Los Sagratos, which means the sacred ones. L-O-S-S-G-R-A-D-O-S dot work.

Los Sagratos.org. There will be a link in the show notes for that, folks. Instagram as well at Los Sagratos. Yeah. It's really nice having you guys here. It's been a real delight. Nice to come down here and slow down. It is Slow Baja approved.

And again, the man who wrote the book in praise of slowness, you couldn't get him out of the hammock this morning. That's awesome. Yeah, we're going to have to get him back here for a writer's retreat. Yeah, terrific. Yeah, terrific. Well, Noelle, thank you so much for sharing your ranch and your life and your story with Slow Baja, and I hope to come back real soon.

Thank you. We love to have you. Best shower in Baja. And I'm not saying that lightly. Great bedding and a damn fine man. mattress. I really had a great sleep. Cozy. You're doing some stuff really, really, really well, so I appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you, dear. Thanks. We did it. Cheers.

Hey, Los Cerados. I hope you enjoyed that conversation. I really enjoyed my stay there. Really a cool spot. And sincerely, maybe the best shower, outdoor showers, maybe the best showers in Baja. Really lovely. Lots of volunteers rolled through while I was there looking after the horses and the donkeys and keeping the barn clean and the property spotless. That was really interesting. Well run. Check it out if you're inclined to help out or volunteer. All right, well, if you want to help me keep this show on the road, you can do that by dropping a taco in the tank. Click at slowbaha.com. Go on to the donations page. Drop those tacos. You know, I need them. I need them to keep this show on the road. I'm getting a completely new suspension on my truck because the last one was installed improperly and it ate itself up and tore the frame up and got all sorts of problems from my last trip. So if you've got a few tacos, goes in your pocket. Drop them because I could use them. Also, Slow Baja shop. So heartening to be at Overland Expo and see some folks. Seth was rocking a slow Baja pocket tea. Doug Miller was wearing a slow Baja hat. It was really cool to see those slow Baja stickers in the parking lot on people's

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