Small Town Murder - #101 - First Degree Stupid in Amityville, New York

Episode Date: January 10, 2019

This week, in Amityville, New York, two people find love, and appear to be living the American dream, until some problems begin to arise. From these problems, someone unexpected is murdered, and the plot that is unraveled sounds too incredible to be true, as a tale of meetings, plans, offers, and cover ups were happening, in the background. This is seriously one of the crazy ones. All of it!Along the way, we find out that a fake haunting can make a town famous, that the term "dolphin head" may be a much more perverted thing than you'd think, and that you should always be sure to kill the person that you want dead!!Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman New episodes every Thursday! Donate at: patreon.com/crimeinsports or go to paypal.com & use our email: [e-mail] Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder & Crime In Sports! Follow us on... twitter.com/@murdersmall facebook.com/smalltownpod instagram.com/smalltownmurder Also, check out James & Jimmie's other show, Crime In Sports! On iTunes, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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This week in Amityville, New York, a couple has normal marital problems until those problems mushroom into a deadly mess. Welcome to Small Town Murder. Hello, everybody, and welcome back to Small Town Murder. Yay! Yay, indeed, Jimmy. Yay, indeed. My name is James Petrigalloo i'm here with my co-host i am jimmy wisman thank you folks so much immensely an enormous amount for joining

us this week uh thank you guys our 101st episode and it's a crazy one as you might have heard it's in amityville new york it's not that case from amityville new york just so you know it's not the famous one one that's been done a million times? What do you take us for? Honestly, in most of our cases, I would say, I can't think of, there might be one that has been done by another show at some point, maybe two. I don't know. But we really, really try not to do the ones that you know about.

And so you don't know about this one. But it's in Amityville, the same town as the famous Amityville horror case with the we'll talk about that a little bit we'll talk about that briefly in the town history but uh yeah that was all a pile of shit that was all bullshit and this is real so it's it's pretty interesting here uh thank you everybody for your reviews this week they mean the world to us uh all of you guys that got on itunes or apple podcast the purple icon and everywhere else too and everywhere whether it's spotify stitcher wherever you listen reviews they really do help us out a lot so thank you guys for that uh if you have not done that yet please do that give us five stars

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this is a comedy podcast, everybody. The facts are real. The cases are real. Every bit of the whole thing is real. The only thing that is not real is the jokes, because that's comedy. So we're going to make jokes.

We're comedians. That's the way we operate here. We're going to make jokes at the expense of small towns and idiots who do things in the small towns and whoever are in the orbit of these murders. What we try not to do is we try not to make fun of the victims or the victims' families because we're assholes, but we're not scumbags. That's true. That's kind of how it works here. So if that sounds good to you, awesome.

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Do that. Enjoy the accounting department tomorrow where you can complain to everyone else that works there about how these awful guys made fun of a dead person's situation so whatever that is but for everybody else that's left all of you fun people that want to have a good time I think it's time I think it's time to shout from the rooftops or the cars or the treadmill or the cubicle

or wherever the hell you are it's time to shout shut up and give me murder let's do this let's go on a trip Jimmy what do you say into. Let's go on a trip. Jimmy, what do you say? All right. You into this? Let's go on a trip. Last week, obviously, last week we were in Oklahoma and then down to Arizona and meandered

down there, which was a crazy case. I can't believe it. Growing up in Phoenix, I'm shocked that I didn't hear of that. Well, that was in the early 80s. That's why. You were two when that happened but him saying boomer sooner at the end yeah that should have got a little more publicity that's the thing when i read that case and how brash he was and how brazen he was i'm like how

did nobody in the press pick this up as like just interesting to put like we did you know like much more popular that's what i thought too and a lot of our cases are like that. The kid in Dayton, Nevada that was, you know, questionably convicted. I'm like, how is this not more famous of a case? Fuck Stephen Avery.

This kid could really be innocent when he was a teenager. At least there's evidence for Stephen Avery. Yeah, this is crazy shit. A lot of it, too, as a matter of fact. A mountain.

And then there's a lot against it. We understand. Our stance is that Stephen Avery probably did it and the cops planted evidence. Both. And then there's a lot against it. We understand. Our stance is that Stephen Avery probably did it and the cops planted evidence. Both. Everybody up there is a fucking asshole.

That's my thought on it, but I don't know. That's just me. What do I know? You got one over on him. What do I know? We don't know anything. Haven't done the research on that

other than the two documentaries, but I haven't looked into it. And the last one, I mean, the other one, whatever. He was overturned, exonerated. Who knows if he was part of that?

I don't know. I wasn't there. Well, there was DNA for somebody else in the first case. He was probably there, too. He might have been jerking off over the body, over the whole situation. We don't know that. That's not possible. He was probably there.

That guy sure looks and seems like a scumbag. Let's go on a trip. He threw a cat into a fire for everybody at this. He's a real monster. I'm sorry. He's kind of a monster. Anyway, let's go on a trip. We a cat into a fire for everybody at this he's kind of a monster anyway let's go on a trip we're going all the way to new york today great finally back to new york because we were there very early on in our in our range we have another one coming up in

new york uh very soon that's my hometown but i needed to do a little more research on it because i needed to actually talk to some people back there that remembered these people better than i maybe did and get some i'm filling in the background some personal shit some personal shit for once but uh we're going all the way to amityville new york outstanding amityville as we know famous for the one case there that we're not going to talk about but very briefly in the eminem song in the eminem obviously but uh amityville new york it's on long island which is if you don't know what New York, if you don't know geography, there's the state of New York, and then there's

a dick sticking off of it there that is just one big panhandle. That's Long Island. Panhandle could not fit a location any more than this. I thought that Long Island was pretty nice. There's parts of it that are

nice, that are ritzy, that are wealthy. The Hamptons are out on Long Island was pretty nice. There's parts of it that are nice, that are ritzy, that are wealthy. The Hamptons are out on Long Island, right? Yes. Beautiful, but still full of douche. Long Island, I don't even know. I'm surprised it doesn't pollute the oceans, just leaking douche off the sides of the islands. Are we sure it doesn't? I'm sorry.

Yeah, it might. I'm from back in New York, and Long Island sucks. I don't know if you're from Long Island. You might love it. You're wrong. You're just wrong. Where I'm from sucks and where you're from sucks, too, because Long Island is a piece of shit. It's flat, right?

Like super flat? Yeah. It's a strip of shit land on a panhandle island. It's awful. It's a Florida prequel is what it is. And then you move from there to Florida. So it is a prequel. We do that a lot.

It's about an hour outside of New York City, four hours to Boston, five hours to Otisco, which was our first case there. Shirley the arsonist there. The lady that pisses sulfur. Yeah, she is a nasty one. This is in Suffolk County. Zip code 11701.

Area code 631. It is 2.5 square miles, 2.1 on land, and then obviously the water that surrounds it. So real quick, Long Island, though, because it's for people who have never been to New York City. New York City, public transportation, that's how you get around. There's trains that go out there and shit. Okay, there's not. There's trains that go to Long Island. There's no subway or shit like that. No the train people take the train back and forth and

all okay there's a lot of public transportation most of the people that work that live in long island a lot of them work in the city yeah because they're from about the same distance as like where i'm from from the city where it's kind of like it's weird if you're from you could throw a rock and hit the empire yeah it's weird that you're from like an hour away from like the biggest city in the country, but like it's not, I don't know, you're not in there, but it's right there. It's a very weird situation to grow up in. So motto of this town, they're trying to get away from their old reputation, because they only have a reputation for the Amityville horror case.

That's all they have. So motto here, trying to get away from that. This is good. This will do it, I think. Quote, not just for Guido murderers anymore! Exclamation point. I think that's a good one.

I think that's going to do the trick, guys. Good job, Amityville. Do they have a slogan? No, they don't have a slogan. They're like,

we just, it doesn't matter. We're just going to lie low. That's our slogan. No amount of words is going to change us. No, no, not at all here.

History of this town. We're better now, anything. Yeah, we swear it at all here. The history of this town. We're better now anything. Yeah, we swear it's not that haunted. Or that story's fake. Fucking anything. Yeah, well, the murder story was real. We'll talk about that for a second in the history part here. But this place was first settled around 1653.

Wow. So this is, anytime we do Northeast, it's very old. It was people from Huntington, which was another town. They visited the Amityville area in 1653. It had a lot of salt hay that they used for animal fodder. You look at salt meadow cordgrass, also known as salt hay. I looked this up. It's a species of cordgrass native to the atlantic coast of the americas

from new finland south along all the way down to the caribbean really so yeah it's just grass that grows near water okay but it grows near the ocean yeah that kind of yeah that kind of tall weedy looking shit that looks not not that tall but knee-high weedy looking shit that grows it's got bugs in it yeah exactly that's exactly the stuff that you want to jump over because you're like i don't know what's going to get around my ankles. Yeah, yeah. Apparently, it's in the marshlands of all over the world also. People would, anywhere it's been introduced, it takes over too.

It's one of those things. And they feed it to animals. Yeah, the animals would eat that. It was good for them apparently. They liked it. I don't know if it was good for them. They're probably dropping dead left and right. It's the 1600s.

They used leeches. They didn't know shit. It's twisting up their intestines a chief wyandanch uh was a local native american fellow here who granted the first deed to land in amityville in 1658 this area was originally called huntington west neck south which is a really long fucking too much too much name there uh way too much name according to the village lore i love when things start out with according to village lore that always makes me confident uh the name was changed in 1846 when residents wanted a new post office like we need another

fucking post office that one's too far away but we're to get another one we need to have a separate town to get another post office plunked down here there's not enough people in that one town whatever that's the worst laura story i've ever heard well yeah so basically they had a meeting to establish a new name and uh apparently it turned into a big fucking giant argument because these are idiots from long island it's a bunch of fucking goomba guido shitbags with fucking from the 1600s all the guys i grew up with and my uncles and cousins were all there with their fucking with their horn horns on their neck with on the same chain as their fucking communion medal you know i'm talking about that guy they're all there fucking with their tank tops arguing with each other hopping in their z28 t-tops on the way out and speeding

off because they're pissed off i ain't listening to this fucking guy. Forget about it. I'm getting out of here. Jesus Christ. And that's the group of people that discussed the most of it. They discussed that. And apparently somebody without a gold chain stood up and said, quote, what this meeting needs is some amity. And another version of it says that somebody had a boat named the amity. And so either way, they wanted it to be nice. Do we know what an Amity is?

It's just to be, we need to get along, basically. Oh, that's what Amity is? Yeah, it's a nice thing. So, yeah. Some pleasantries? That's what I mean. It's ridiculous. So that's how this whole thing started.

It was in the early 1900s, tourists came here. They had hotels and shit and things to look at and it's right by the water so you know people came here unless there's like canals all through here people boat and fish and do things like that there's a lot of water activities in amity so treating people right town it's yeah and it's known for murder let's not be fuckheads and then lots of murder is all you know for murder yeah's known for murder. Yeah. That's awesome. What are you going to do? Jesus Christ. Annie Oakley was a frequent guest of some guy that

lived here. He was a famous western person. She's a great shooter. Yeah, there you go. Will Rogers had a home there also and Al Capone also had a house in Amityville because his wife is from here. Really? So it's his wife's hometown. Was that who gave him that

syphilis i believe well she he probably gave it to her yeah i'll put it that way certainly or probably not he's probably like yeah never mind not now not now they're all they've all been dead so again nothing can be done here they've had a sister city in france uh le bourget in france since 1979 which we never understand why. We've been asking why nations do this and cities do this for 100 episodes. We have no fucking idea. To promote each other. To promote each other.

To promote you in a small town in France. Right. Because that's going to really blow up the tourist industry. It's like podcasters going, you know, I was listening to this podcast yesterday. And then they talk about the podcast again. Podcast. Yeah. Podcasts with, you know, 14 listeners talk about another podcast with 14 listeners and maybe by the end of the day we'll

both have 18 listeners so that's pretty much what we got here all right so uh november of 74 is the murder in this town here and this is uh ronald de feo jr shot uh shot his whole family up now there's a million things about this so we won't go too deep into this whole deal, but basically he claims, and no one claims to have heard gunshots, and he shot him with like a

very loud gun. I think it was a 10 gauge, but something like that. A gun with some serious report to it that people in a quiet suburban neighborhood might have heard. Especially the one that's like on the water where it would have echoed for fucking miles. So and also that all of them appeared to be shot while sleeping, which makes no sense either, because you'd think after they shot the first one and even the second third that maybe somebody would wake the fuck up and go, hey, what's going on? And then they wouldn't be shot while sleeping. Or at minimum, they hide.

Or at minimum, they tried to hide. Or you see them running off the bed. But they all were shot in their beds while sleeping. With no defense wounds or anything like that. So it's a weird thing. That's why this guy, this fucking guido idiot, Ronald DeFeo Jr., he says that it was something paranormal. He has like 14 different stories about what happened and the whole deal.

Everything from ghosts to it was a mob hit. Got it. Everything from that to that. Who the fuck knows? But the main thing happened in December 75. George and Kathy Lutz and their kids bought that house and moved into it. It's at 112.

It was at 112 Ocean avenue in amityville no no we'll talk about that in a second here and uh basically they made up a whole bunch of shit to try to make some money they moved in and and within a month they claimed to have been terrorized by ghosts and poltergeists and you know you see there's fucking multiple movies about it with the flies on the window. All that shit they claim. And then so they got a guy to write a fucking book about it. And it seems like this was probably the plan from the moment they bought the home.

I would imagine because within a month the ball is rolling to, you know, to get all this shit here. It's a more sinister bubble boy. It's kind of what it is. Yeah, it's way more sinister. But they had a novel and then films and everything else uh nowadays though the uh address has changed it's kind of like oj's house they changed the address because too many people were people off throw people out we found it we found it we found oj's house no problem oh there it is that's the one that's the one right there okay uh and me being a dipshit thinking i know i remember things

about it from 20 fucking years ago yeah he went down this road james and then we're like no it's it's actually over there yeah he went here and over to there what are you talking he parked here not there jimmy this looks so familiar i saw this on cnn this i saw it somewhere on the 45 documentaries and i heard all about it on every bit of the court proceedings I watch. Meanwhile, I'm as good of an investigator as Furman

because... You're racist and sloppy. I could have solved it as well as he did. You could have just blamed a black guy no matter what also. And yes, O.J. did kill his wife also.

He certainly did. And again, I don't think Furman would have cared either way. I think he would have been happy either way for O.J. It's a Stephen Avery situation. It really is. I think it's one of those. But it happens.

So yeah, this house here was built in 1927. In May 2010, it sold for $1.15 million. Wow. It's like backed up against the water. It's a big house. It's a nice house. And then it sold in September 2018, again, this past year, for $950,000. Oh, it's a big house it's a nice house and then it sold in september 2018 again this past year for 950 grand oh it's dropping because the market's hitting the shits back uh you know back east especially uh people from here uh they claim alec baldwin which

i've heard alec baldwin multiple times says from masapiqua so i don't know what the fuck they're talking about where the fuck he's from i know i saw a video of him as from like america's funniest home videos or some shit or whatever it was anyway he was running around on on like in like grassy area yeah well that's long island but it's the whole thing like uh like uh it's all grass it looks like kansas it doesn't look like kind of there's no hills or anything it's just it's it's literally a swath of flat grass land that they've plunked large houses on and uh anyone of the italian or jewish persuasions have taken over that's pretty much what it is sounds good so uh yeah he's i have heard him say massapequa because him and jerry seinfeld always say they're from the

same town and i know jerry's from massapequa too uh de la soul is from here oh fuck yeah so the whole group the whole group is from yeah most of the most rap groups are guys that kind of grew up together so especially in the 90s i don't know now they probably form them but the 90s it was The whole group? The whole group. Most rap groups are guys that kind of grew up together. Especially in the 90s. I don't know. Now they probably form them. But in the 90s, it was more organic. And yeah, De La Soul, which is great.

May Capone, who is Al Capone's wife. There are a bunch of Trey Mason, who currently plays for the Los Angeles Rams. A bunch of former baseball players and NFL players. A bunch of people are from here. That sort of thing. Nobody of that, of an astronaut, that sort of shit. Tony Graffanino. All from Amity. The second baseman or whatever he was for the Red Sox a while ago.

That sort of shit. So, I mean, nobody that. But more people that should be from here. Put it that way. Town populations held pretty steady since about 1970 pretty much 1960 it's pretty much been the same uh people right now population right now 9486 people uh in amityville which is up two percent since 1990 so it's not uh not that highly populated for uh it's long island's not that dense it's It's bigger houses with lawns and shit like that.

That's why people moved out there. That's why there is a Long Island, because people in the city went, I really would like a lawn. And they were like, well, this shitty island is available. We can just put houses on it. We're going to plant cabbage. Yeah, well, you can plant anything out here. It's a piece of shit. So median age here is 46.2.

A little older crowd on Long Island here. You're not going to get a lot of 20-year-olds moving there for a good time. Average in the country is 37.4. Female population is 54.5%, which is high, which is kind of how it goes for when you have an older population. That's what you get. All the age groups over 55 are higher than normal every single one of them all the way up to in their 90s it's all higher than normal and uh all like the 25 to 45 age groups are all lower okay so it's a lot of people

that live in new york city and make like a bunch of money that's the thing to retire well that's it's not even to retire also it's it's they they live in new york city they work they do all this shit and then when they're 43 they get married and then they live in the city for a couple years then they decide we want to have a kid right fuck we need a yard can't raise a kid in the city when they're 45 they have a couple bucks they fucking move out to long island and get up that's that's how that's the that's the migration pattern of the new york it is bizarre walking the new york guinea migration pattern this is now a nature show. It is bizarre.

And then when they're very old, then they go down the coast to Florida. Sorry, that's where they die. They mate in this area, and then they swim upstream to Long Island, and then they float down the ocean to Florida to die. And we've played New York walking around the city, seeing an adult walking children while

a homeless guy is playing with his balls in the corner on the corner yeah in the corner on the phone yeah i'm like how do you do that hey you know why do you do this those kids when they grow up they don't look twice at a guy playing with his balls that's the thing yeah you got it's it's it steals you to certain shit it's just that five-year-old's more streetwise than you are it's great he probably beat the shit out of me and he might they'll cut you i'm not gonna lie to you so this is just a bizarre thing to see and and i get famous people being able to do it because you got i mean you got places you can take them during the day yeah yeah yeah yeah but like you you're just dropping that kid just off at a daycare center and you have to walk them to that daycare center past fucking lunatics.

Yeah. Legit lunatics. Imagine having your groceries with you, too. And you're just so you're so just just vulnerable. Oh, yeah. Your hands are just occupied. Your kids with you. You're fucking rolled.

Your kids get kidnapped and all your shit's gone. That's life, babe. That's life in the big city. That's how it works. And that's a rush for people. They like that. Hey, that's a... Fuck that life.

No way. That's the dream, Jimmy. Moving to the big city for that shit. For that shit. What? Married population here is almost 55%. So this is a crowd... So that's above average.

This is a settled crowd, we'll say. A settled down crowd. More now married than normal. Less never married people than normal. Lower divorce rate than normal. A little higher widow rate because of the age here. Married with no children is higher because you have your older people here. And single with no children is a good amount lower than normal also.

So it's not the place to go party and hang out here. And single with no children is a good amount lower than normal also. So it's not the place to go party and hang out here. Racially, race of this town, now average in the country is 62.77% white. Here it's 67.29% white. So you're going to get that. 9.4% black, which is almost average. Average is 12%. But in New York, there, it's an hour from the city. That seems on purpose at that point.

1.83% Asian, so not a lot of Asians there either. And 18, almost 19% Hispanic. So that's where you're going to fill in your gaps there. That's an interesting breakdown. Yeah, it is. I would have never guessed it like that. Really? Well, Hispanics in New York,

you're going to get everybody from the Caribbean. You get your Puerto Ricans, Dominicans. You're going to get everybody. That's a fascinating breakdown. It seems higher in areas where I wouldn't expect and then much lower in black and Asian. New York has so many Asian things. No, it's true. There's a lot of Asian people in new york that's what i mean that's where all those restaurants run that shit yeah it's all

why they're asian right otherwise they'd be panda expresses at that point for a fucking kfc yeah one of these people are these people jesus it's good look ladies and gentlemen my co-host andrew jackson these people i think you just mentioned kentucky fried chicken in the same sentence as black people i'm a real i know you didn't i know you didn't mean it that way but the way it came out i'm like did he i don't know i was seeing white people running them yes sentence that i said black people's that was perfect it's it's just those restaurants are run by the families of the people that founded them, right? Yeah, generally, yeah. And you just assume that they'd be higher.

That's right. I agree. And you own a restaurant. You probably have plenty of money to live out on Long Island and commute into the city. I would think. I would hope so. And not have to put up with dragging your kids around the street while a lunatic tugs his dick. While someone plays with their balls on the corner.

Jesus Christ. Yeah, any street, too. Nothing's exempt. No. Nothing's exempt. No. You could right outside Trump Tower Secret Service guys be like, let me show you my balls. Yeah.

The pigtail earbud. Tell the little, tell your little microphone that my balls are huge and veiny. So in a religion in this town here, a very high religious wise, very high 50, 50, 50 is normal here. Religion in this town here, very high religious-wise, very high. 50-50 is normal. Here it is, 72.6% religious. You're going to get settled down people with kids and all that.

60% Catholic. You bet. 60 Catholics, the Baptists of the North. That is heavy. Holy shit, that's a lot of kids. That is the most we've ever had, I think, of anybody. 1.4% Jewish. Hava Nagila, Hava Nagila. Hey, finally. had i think so anybody uh 1.4 percent jewish hey finally our only second time i think sin small town murder history i've gotten to sing haven aguila because we have more than one percent

jewish that is 1.7 1.4 oh barely still it's something it's something we're gonna we're gonna call it a win for right now. There's more than 1%. That's good. 1.3% Islam. 44% of the people in Amityville voted Democrat in the last election. 51% Republican. So that kind of shows you it's older and more money there because New York generally is pretty blue. And here it's not.

Well, the majority of the people. The upstate, the mass of it in terms of land is pretty red. And then where all the people are is blue. Because the cows' votes don't count yet up there. You never know, though. Give it time. If you've seen western New York, they might give the cows the vote. It is West fucking Virginia out there.

Anything west of the Hudson's, West Virginia, New York. Don't even come at me with any of this shit. You know it's true. If you can shrudge out of the snow, the five feet of snow pushed up against your door you can come argue with me about it give mitt romney some time he wants that president you know it's so bad he's gonna get only only the big ones only the ones with horns but we'll let him vote let him vote that's that's all rightemployment rate here is low, 3.9%. 5.2% is normal, but you're an hour away from a giant city, so you could probably fucking find a job somewhere.

Here, median household income, usually $54,000 is the national average. Here it is $81,135. My word. So much higher here. A lot of jobs in, there's a retail trade, but there's a lot of healthcare jobs, and also a lot of white-collar jobs. Not in this town, but the people commute to these jobs. So what jobs are in this town is really kind of pointless when you have New York City right

there. Cost of living, 100 being regular average par. Here it is 131, so pretty high. Everything is pretty normal, actually, except for housing, which is through the roof. Okay. Housing here is... I thought you were going to say it was low. No, $175,000 out of $100,000.

No, Long Island's expensive as shit to live on compared to the rest of the country. Median home cost here is $326,600. How do you do it? Yeah, that's pretty expensive. You wake up every day with so much stress. So much stress. Yeah, most of the houses are between $400, yeah, that's pretty expensive. You wake up every day with so much stress. So much stress. Yeah, most of the houses are between $400,000 and $600,000. Or $300,000 and $600,000.

And if we've convinced you, the only place for you to live is Amityville, New York. We have for you the Amityville, New York Real Estate Report. your average two-bedroom rental here is uh twenty two hundred uh fifty dollars oh my god which is a thousand dollars more than the national average so pretty high as far as rentals go i houses here i found a condo i'm looking for i look value, a middle, and a high. My value this week, I found a condo. It's a one-bedroom, one-and-a-half bath, Jimmy. 1,100 square feet. You're going to love it. Full of granite. Brand new. Hasn't even been built yet. Can I guess?

Go ahead. Hasn't even been built. You can design it. Pretty much, yeah. They have a plan. Is it 320? No, it's 185. This is your bargain. 1,100 square feet. It's an apartment. I found a three-bedroom, two-bath, 1,567-square-foot house here for $439,000. So that's expensive for that.

And I also found a four-bedroom, two-and-a-half-bath, 3,500-square-foot house. Nice yard and shit like that. $699,990. Say 700, you pussies. Enough. What's that 10 bucks going to do? Come on. Jesus.

Assholes. Take a sawbuck off it. Get out of here. Fucking assholes. That's some guido going, hey, you know what? If we say it, they're going to think it's more than. They're going to say 700,000 000 that's too much fucking money but if we do 699 they're gonna go hey 699 it's in the sixes so bad it's in the sixes i don't know i don't fucking know jesus christ that's gonna come

out a lot of dollars off of 700 grand assholes like it's a fucking dvd player from like it's 199.99 in 1998 jesus christ make it seem cheaper things to do here uh they had a i don't know if they do this every year or if they just did it this one year but it's pretty fascinating they had a missile launch parade what uh this was uh celebrating the first successful guided missile launch which occurred a century ago in the village in the independence day parade which is what are they north korea it's that's what i mean this is so weird why would you celebrate this it's so strange yeah they celebrated that in 2016 and there was a guy uh this sperry guy uh who was uh i guess he made the initial tests on the radio-controlled torpedo and uh this was a forerunner to cruise missiles of what we have now

and this this sperry guy apparently was a lunatic he's one of these guys in 1914 15 who would fly over paris in his plane and put it on autopilot and get out and walk on the wing what he's one of those lunatics that they... That's a thing? Yeah, those crazy daredevil shit that used to go on back then. Guys dancing on top of flagpoles and shit. I don't know what it was about that time period. They just did crazy shit like that.

Why have I never heard that? Put it on autopilot, get out as a plane. And then walk around on the wing and then get back in it. That was like a... I'd be like, get back in there. You're going to crash and kill all of us on the ground. if you fall off then what yeah i don't care about you what what happens that fucking plane well he ended up being killed in a crashed in the english channel in 1923 so fuck him yeah take that asshole is it s-p-e-r-r-y again yeah is that the second

episode in a row where we've had a dude there yeah it's very shoes that's what i said last time yeah yeah that's right that's right uh also haunted shit they claim to be that's the one of the deals here it's they have a new address for the stupid house and people come in and they still find it and they take pictures it's fucking fake don't bother it's also a state hospital and some other bullshit they say is is haunted but i'm not buying any of the shit from this town i love people that that uh uh don't believe in in jesus like they're like just it's not it's not a real story it's not yeah but then they'll go ghost hunting what yeah you're an asshole well they're not this i don't know why jesus would have to be in charge

of the spirit world i don't think they're mutually, my point is that you can't say that a guy came back and all the dead stuff, you know what I mean? Yeah. That makes that story impossible, but then they go hunt ghosts. Which is it? Do you believe in them or don't you, you fuckwad? Yeah, no, that's true.

That's true. But I think the religion thing is you're saying, if you said, say, I saw the ghost of my father, you know your father existed. That's a good point. That's the difference. Whereas it's pretty questionable on the other. So let's just say that.

We're not going to get into religion here. Okay. Crime rate in this town. What we're interested in, property crime is just below the national average, maybe about 10% low, and violent crime, which is murder, rape, robbery, and assault, the Mount Rushmore of crime, is just over the national average, just about 10% over. So they don't steal your shit as much, but they'll stab you if you're there. For sure. That sort of thing. I understand that anybody who's paid attention to the media would have to

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plus in the wondery app or on apple podcasts i think so let's talk about a murder that took place in this town fantastic jesus christ what a goddamn mess this is oh my goodness here well we'll start out with uh leanne armanani armanini sorry jesus christ leanne armanini found guidos i found fucking i this whole fucking story is filled with dipshit amityville guidos so this is amazing guidos and guidettes that's guidettes you know absolutely so uh armanini, she's born in 67. She grows up in normal kind of childhood for back then. Nothing crazy happened to her.

In the town? Yeah. Near there, but not here. Not in Amityville. She has three brothers and sisters. Parents that are together. Her parents will break up later at some point because her mother, I know on is a lesbian so awesome something happened there i'm not sure yeah she decided to uh live her her true life here i guess and drop david and and whatever so that also i

mean the 60s 70s 80s yeah that people hid that started right yeah people would hide that shit and then when it started to be you know acceptable people were like, what am I hiding anymore? I'm 55 years old. I want this guy to grind his dick into me. I don't even like that. Me and this other old broad want to fucking shack up together. What do you care? You know what I mean?

It's your business. The hell are you giving a shit? The only person that should be upset is that dude who just got lied to for the last 20 years. And even then, he's like, well, at least it's not. Go be happy. It's not as bad as if it was. Yeah. So anyway. Unless he's a guido who's got feelings to be hurt. Yeah. And even then he's like, well, at least it's not. Go be happy. It's not as bad as if it was. Yeah. So anyway, unless he's a guido who's got feelings to be hurt. Oh,

my dick's not good enough. My dick's so bad. Johnny, listen to me. This is how bad my dick is. All right. My dick is so bad that it made a girl not like dicks no more. That's how bad it is. She just said that dick was terrible. I don't think i

want to see another one no more you know what i mean that's bad johnny it's a bad day i feel like an asshole now what am i supposed to do yeah i go out i go out with a chick i'm like yeah i don't want to take it out because i'm just going to drive her to the other side you know what i mean it's terrible if one girl leaves you for a woman i I mean, it could happen. But two, three, four, five, that's a bad dick. That's a dick problem. That problem's you, sir. You're turning them. Stop touching women.

That's the thing. You're turning them. You're causing something that's rare, even. Like, it's, you know what I mean? It's like, it's ridiculous. Can you imagine all the ego? Oh, that hurts so bad. She's like, you know, I've never had a desire for girls before

but after seeing that dick starting to give it a i'm gonna give it a run i'm gonna give it a world for sure so whatever it is that's going on over there has to be better than that david armanini and his terrible cock uh and his wife had four kids one of them being leanne right so and armanini they're middle class they grow up in long island pretty pretty uneventful childhood i would say uh they were fine they go on vacations and you know all that shit just a regular upbringing here uh her parents divorced when she turned 11 that was uh that was an issue and it's a little difficult for her because she turns 11 her parents divorce and her mother moves away to florida so not only does her mother move away which is hard for an 11 year old who's if your parents break up you at least

want to keep some sense of normalcy but she's gone and not only that this is when she announces that not only is she actually a lesbian but she's moving to florida with ouch uh her new partner so i didn't even call she just threw a bottle in the ocean. Yeah, and she said, it'll get up there eventually. Fuck these kids. So, yeah. So, Leanne was left in New York at that point here. Her father ended up raising her and her brothers and sisters and ended up remarrying eventually. And, you know, whatever. Returning some form of normalcy.

And Leanne's now a lesbian. You know what? This story would be so much easier if she was because it would have been a way different way different thing uh but this definitely has an effect on her not the lesbianism but the just her parents being divorced her mom moving away uh is tough for her and it's to be away from your mom as a kid is a tough thing just for any circumstances your your dad whatever but it's a weird thing when you're away from your mother like i moved to moved back to New York from, I moved to Phoenix for a year with my mom. I moved back to New York for high school to live with my dad.

And so, like, I didn't see my mom that much. So it was really weird, you know? It's just a weird thing that you don't expect. She ends up getting married early. By the age of 19, she's already having a divorce. Oh, boy. So by 19, she's, things have divorce. Oh, boy. So by 19, things are not exactly what she wants. And the problem is from this, you'd think, okay, she's 19.

She's got a divorce. Who cares? Clean slate. The problem is she has a kid out of this also, which is not a problem, we'll say. But it's tough. When you're 19, that's not a great time. She doesn't have an education yet and things like that. No way to make a living

that would support children at this point. So she has her first son named Christopher and she ends up raising Christopher as a single mother but she does her best. I mean, shit. She gets through it. She struggles. We were both raised by single mothers. It fucking happens, man.

Yeah, it's not easy and money's the main issue. especially in New York if you're trying to raise a kid back there. And it's expensive now, but it's always been expensive. Even when I was a kid, it was more expensive than fucking Oklahoma or something or Arizona. When my mother first moved to Arizona, it was just like, what the fuck? Like this, it's so cheap here. You can buy houses that are worth nothing you know

that's the problem though when you invest it all into a house still worth nothing but she worked she lived moved here in 91 when like you could buy a house for shit like you buy a huge house grand would be an amazing huge house yeah they bought like 130 grand or something bought this giant house it was like what the fuck that's like three times the size of the house we had in new york which was shitty and more expensive so yeah very very weird here so uh money was a was a problem she had a lot of financial problems obviously as a early 20s single parents gonna have at any at any time at any time but uh she uh she gets through it her and her kid uh her and her son you know she gets through it and she's a she's by all accounts a pretty good mother everybody says so her father david says that she was very

responsible always put her son's needs first that's great would make sure to be there for him and you know didn't wouldn't put her social life ahead of it didn't put anything ahead of her son so that's what you want out of any any, really, especially if you're a single parent, you're throwing in for both. Sure. So she's doing a really, really good job here. Now, she doesn't have another serious boyfriend for a while here. That's great. Yeah, she keeps really, I mean, we're talking like nine years or so.

She dates a little here and there, but never has anybody serious, just concentrates on trying to make a living and uh taking care of her son yeah uh which is which is nice uh then in 1998 she meets a man fine which i mean hey you know what she's with 31 years old i mean she's what the fuck you know 12 year old yeah she's got it yeah what the hell's here so uh uh she didn't have she meets this guy his name is paul riedel uh uh this is 1998 they meet at a gym in long island which you can just smell the axe body spray and the fucking cologne the paco rabban just dripping off of people in this fucking joint oh my god biggest cup of creatine that she's ever seen love of christ you have no fucking just guys working a dumbbell with one arm while eating a meatball fucking sub with the other this is what

kind of fucking environment what we're talking about here i like it jesus christ oh god damn it this is sickening to me this there's you never okay this is what it is. And this is exactly what it is. You hate most what's inside of you. That's what you hate the most. You know what I mean? And I hate this fucking Guido shit because that's what. What you're expected to be. I'm expected to be. And it drives me crazy.

And once in a while, I do want to eat some fucking meatball sub and act like a fucking Guido. And I can't. Because then it's. Somebody will stand in the corner and go, fucking meatball sub and act like a fucking Guido. And I can't. Because then it's... Somebody will stand in the corner and go, look at you. Look at him. Fucking Guido. Look at these fucking Guidos. I can't have a gold chain.

Maybe I want one. I can't have a necklace. I can't wear a fucking ring on my finger. Like, oh, look at this fucking Guido. It's exactly what... It's like the Dave Chappelle joke. Yeah. I'm afraid to eat chicken in public.

That's how I feel. And it's like. The Dave Chappelle joke. Yeah. I'm afraid to eat chicken in public. That's how I feel. And it's the same shit. So anyway, but so that's what makes me hate these people because they've ruined everything. They've Jersey Shore this entire fucking ethnicity. So I hate everything to do with that whole that lifestyle. It's just the whole you know what it is. It's it's I think it's people that people don't like it because it's just people being super proud of everything. Yeah. That's not that's a you look like an asshole, think it's people that people don't like it because it's just people being super proud of everything.

Yeah, that's not. You look like an asshole. But it's not even that, though. There's a certain. I can't even fucking. But the pride that they have. The pulse of it. Is for just the Italian part of them.

Yeah. And somebody that is not an attractive person shouldn't feel that kind of pride. No, no. And somebody that is not an attractive person shouldn't feel that kind of pride. No, no. And these people are not great looking people and they act like they are the hottest thing you've ever seen. The Long Island pigs. Yeah, right. Yeah, yeah.

Not just Italian people in general. No, no, no. Ladies and gentlemen. Jesus Christ. The Long Island pigs. That's great. That's who you're talking about. Well, the back east.

Yeah. We all know who we're talking about. We know the guy we're talking about. You can see it in your head right now. You see him right now. You know exactly what he looks like. Look at his communion medal on his neck. You know what I'm talking about.

A big fucking smile on his face. Yeah. I'm so proud. They meet. Leanne starts working out there, and they fall in love quickly, which is fine. Friends of Leanne said she was excessively happy. She liked Paul. He was a nice guy.

He was a big, strong, fucking jacked up Guido is what he was. I don't even think he's Italian. He might have been half Italian or something. I assume he lives on Long Island and he's at a gym. I assume he's at least half Italian. Or at least he's behaving like that. His mother's Italian because his last name's Riedel. I don't know what happened.

Or he just grew up. But that's the other thing, too. You have kids back there that I knew, big groups that acted like this, that weren't Italian at all. That was the culture around them. An Irish dude with dark hair. That's all it is. They didn't fucking know. They didn't care.

It's just like that's how they are. So she liked that. She liked that he was a big guy and was, you know, a protector type and was also nice to her, though. Treated her very well. Didn't beat her up or anything like that. They go out for a while, you know, have a little relationship. I'm sure just tons of workouts involved in this. And Jesus, just not good here.

Tell me the difference so italian sicily is in italy right yeah it's an island south and they've they've been they've been they were really are not looked at the same way as well no as itis right no they just each other it's a it's a it's a it's just just each other. Between each other? Between each other. It's not... Nobody looks down... They both look down on each other because they're not... They were forced to be a country. Got it.

They're not natural... Italy and Sicily are separate. And they were... Italy was united. The world was like, you both look the same. Fuck you. You're all the same. You speak the same fucking language and all that type of shit.

So they're like, here, you're one thing. So that's why they fight. It's a different culture. It's a different thing. Sicily is a a different it's all just a different deal italy is so weird italy is a small country right but you know geographically but is such such different cultural pockets in it the food's different the shit's totally different i have a friend named adam whose dad was he's like off the boat italian he is super fucking italian to where he like puckers his fingers talking to

you when he's pissed yeah and and we had another friend named eric who wore the fucking the horn in phoenix yeah no motherfucker you're you're barely no i have one i just choose not to wear it so adam would have one in my possession constantly because eric would like embrace the italian stuff and adam wouldn't and and adam would be like you're not even italian he's like i'm sicilian he's like you're the mexican of italians vicious to him now and call him horrible horrible yeah i think that that's that's that was a personal gripe between the two of them maybe that was they were acting out what what italians and sicilians do right here in phoenix but like back home, it doesn't fucking matter.

The older generation, it mattered. All the fucking guidos from the 50s and 60s and the John Gotti mobsters in the 70s and 80s. We don't trust the Napolitanos. Nobody gives a shit now. Nobody cares. It's all in one big muddled. Most of them are half irish anyway it doesn't matter well maybe that maybe adam got that from his dad like because

his dad was a gaudy era that's those guys yeah those guys for them it matters it's a big difference but yeah it doesn't fucking matter and i also my grandmother's apart both so i grew up with her going never mind that shit because her family was like half and half so she didn't want any any ball breaking ask her if if they do if italians do did say uh that sicilians are are the mexicans of it i doubt it because they wouldn't have known what that meant that's a good point i believe that that's probably originated in arizona by two half irish guys eating at a chain pizza place making fun of each other eating at an s bar yeah you're eating at a chain pizza place, making fun of each other. Eating at an S Bar. Yeah. You're eating at a Barro's, making fun of each other.

On this pita pipe of pizza, this ain't bad, right? Fuck out of here. Originated. That's hilarious. That's great. Originating in Phoenix. So she's happy with Paul. Leanne's happy with Paul.

They go out for a while. Everything progresses in a positive manner, and they get engaged. And also, too, they're both getting in their 30s, and he's interested in for a while. Everything progresses in a positive manner and they get engaged. So, you know, and also, too, they're both in there getting in their 30s. And, you know, he wants these interested in having a family. And so, you know, let's move this along a little bit here type of thing here. They get engaged. Kathy, who is Leanne's stepmother, who married the father, David, bad cock and all. She's about to be a lesbian.

She's got some day he's going to turn her. It takes 20 years, though, for that to kick in with this guy. She said that the family was also very pleased when they found out that they were going to get married. Great. The family loved Paul, too, and he did well. Also, we'll talk about his businesses and stuff like that. So he does well for himself. And, you know, she's 31 and she's got a kid and you know

it's nice for her she's found somebody she likes good for her she spent the last 10 years just taking care of this kid took her time looking for him took her time found a nice kid Paul isn't a perfect angel mind you as everybody back there he's not

this is the one thing I love about back home, okay? This is one thing that I truly, truly love about being back home. Like, just an example. On your car, there's an inspection sticker back there. We don't have it in Arizona. We only have emissions. But a lot of states have an inspection sticker. You have to go get your car inspected every year, and they give you a little sticker and whatever.

So back there, I do not know anyone who's ever got that through legitimate means. I don't know a single soul who's ever pulled into a licensed service station and said, please inspect my car, given them the requisite fee and then received the sticker in a legitimate manner. I've never heard of that happening ever. You know a guy and you give him 15 bucks and he just gives you a sticker you don't even have to have your car with you that's how it works everything is corrupt back there and i love that i love that i love corruption and that likes minor corruption in that way there's no that's a

victimless crime if we're talking about some federal you know insanity where that's crazy but this minor corruption of like hey i gave this guy 15 bucks and I got my inspection sticker even though my muffler's dragging on the fucking ground. Who cares? That's just in good fun. That's the Italian in me right there. I love a good scheme. I love shit like that. So I like that stuff.

You scream fuck de Blasio as you get in your car. Yeah, that's the thing. I love that shit. Literally, when I was fucking 17, I needed an inspection sticker for my 85 Oldsmobile, and I knew a guy. I think it was $15, and he gave me the sticker. Eat shit, Schumer. I'm out of here.

It didn't matter. I didn't even think both my headlights worked. It didn't fucking matter. I got a sticker slapped on. Nobody cared. It was great. So Paul, like everybody else, has a little bit of a past. It's more of a past than a lot of people do.

At 19, he was arrested for drug dealing, and he spent several years in prison. Oh, it was a lot of drug dealing. Yeah, it wasn't like he didn't have a few dime bags on him. This was like cocaine and that type of thing. He had an apartment full of it. He had a lot of shit going on, yeah. But since he got out of prison, one thing about Paul,

he's, he's very, uh, business minded. Uh, and the one thing that you can say about drug dealing is it's not easy. Right. Drug dealing is not easy.

It's a pain in the ass. It's, it's like pimping in that way. Uh, it's a pain in the fucking ass. There's a lot to do. Yeah. You have to,

and it's a bit, you have to go out and get things and come back and make shit and talk to people. And then, yeah, you have to arrange for these people to sell it. And then hope this guy, can you trust that one? It's a huge headache. So it's always, if you took the effort that it takes to deal drugs and you knew where to direct it in a better direction, you could be successful. Probably.

I mean, that's just one of those. It's a business like anything else. If you read Freeway Rick Ross's book and the way he set up an empire of drug dealing, and it's like, dude, that guy, if he knew how to read at the time, which he didn't, he could have set up a legitimate business. But that wasn't what people wanted to buy where he was from. Did I ever tell you I met that guy? Really?

On accident? Really. I'm logging Clayton Perkins out of the improv. Yes, that's right. And a 15-passenger bus drives past us, and clayton perkins out of the yes that's right a 15 passenger bus drives past us and clayton perkins goes that was like freeway ricky ross and i was like who i still oh you didn't know who i had no fucking idea who that guy was the van by the way freeway rick ross was a drug dealer a giant drug dealer in la interstate like interstate yeah huge

huge drug trafficker in la and it and he went to prison and the whole time he was saying the federal government was selling me the drugs and nobody believed him and then a bunch of documents came out proving that the federal government was selling him the fucking drugs and basically entrapping him and everything else and he ended up getting out of prison for that he was it was serving a life sentence and now he goes goes on like Joe Rogan and talks about this shit, and he's hilarious. He's awesome. So Freeway Rick Ross gets out of the passenger van, the 15-passenger van, and starts walking towards us, and Clayton goes, that is him. And then he's selling his book.

That's what he was doing. He's a little tiny motherfucker, too. Smaller than me. Yeah, he was tiny. I was blown away with how small he was. It's all he talks about in the book is how tiny he is. So then Freeway Rick Ross gave a book to Clayton and then went upstairs to go sell him it. I think Jeff Ross was on the...

A weird combination. He was selling his books. Jeff Ross, Freeway Rick Ross. Makes sense. The Ross brothers are going to make an appearance. There's Ross on that sign. That's me. That's me.

This is my identification. Sir, you're not Jeff Ross, though. He's on stage right now. It doesn't matter. The thing that I learned that night was that Clayton Perkins is not to be fucked with because he knows. Because he's 6'5 and 300 pounds of muscle? Yeah. You're right.

Clayton Perkins is a comedian in Phoenix, and he's a gigantic human being. And a sweet guy, but a gigantic monster of a human being. Oh, great comic, too. It was funny as shit. And he is not to be fucked with, not just because of that, but because he recognizes people like Freeway Rick Ross on like a glance in a 15-passenger van

that a man that's so popular and famous should never be riding in. That's hilarious, yeah. If you saw a 15-passenger van and was like... Special ed kids on a field trip. If you saw Sylvester Stallone in there, you'd be like, that guy kind of looked like Sylvester Stallone. And you'd keep walking. There's no way you'd be like, that's definitely him.

Freeway Rick Ross, you'd go, maybe. Maybe. It's possible. He saw a glance of the man in a beanie cap and homeless clothes. And was like, that guy's freeway Rick Ross. I'm like, no, who? What are you talking about it's legit him that's awesome bananas that's awesome well this he wasn't quite freeway rick over here

but he goes to jail for a few years like i said though ambitious and when he gets out he he turns his efforts into legitimate business yeah which is good that's what you want out of people when they get out of prison and try to reform themselves. And he does that. He gets out. He opens up a gym when he gets out of prison called Dolphin Fitness Club. It's with his, I don't know, dolphin. I don't know why it's dolphin. Maybe they're big Miami Dolphins fans. I'm not sure.

He was like, look at my cock in these tight pants. It looks like a dolphin. You can see I call it my dolphin head. Hey, she got a camel toe. I got a dolphin head. Don't worry about it. call it my dolphin head. Hey, she got a camel toe. I got a dolphin head. Don't worry about it. You like my dolphin head popping out, baby? Look at that.

Hey. I'm presenting. Oh, sweetheart. Look at my pants. I got a dolphin head popping out for you, honey. Oh, all right. Come here and kiss the dolphin. Why don't you rub some fucking oil on me?

I'm going to flex in the mirror. What do you say, say sweetheart all right i call that a bottlenose hey oh come pet flipper sweetheart you know what i'm talking about all right come on now spot me unbelievable so this fucking idiot here uh he uh he's not a fucking idiot he got out of jail and opened up a business whatever uh he opens up a business with his best friend, a guy named Alex Algieri. And he and Alex are best friends. Very close. They look similar. They're both kind of dark haired, muscled up dudes.

They're just very similar guys. And they grew up together and they're friends. That's how people are when they grow up together. They're kind of similar. They even drive the same car. Oh, no. drive gmc yukons of the same color and everything like they're just they like each other they're they're whatever their best friends uh so they open up dolphin fitness club in amityville new york this is where the amityville comes in it's a 24-hour gym uh centered around weightlifting not not so much stairmasters and shit like that

although they have that but it's a it's a muscle head gym is how everybody says both the owners are both jacked up muscle guys and all that sort of thing uh the business is thriving from the start it becomes very popular very quickly um it's one of those things if you find like a a niche there they found the bodybuilding niche and also too these guys are bodybuilders around here, so they probably know all these people and say, hey, we're opening up a gym that's going to cater to our type of guy and whatever the fuck. Call it dolphin.

We'll call it dolphin fitness, you know, because your cock pops out of your shorts when you're doing things. Otherwise, it's the most feminine name ever for a meathead gym. It is. Hey, your dolphin head's peeking out of the bottom of your shorts there, guy. Be careful. All right. So, yeah.

The business is thriving. Paul is doing very well financially, too, out of this whole thing. He and Alex are making a lot of money off of this gym. Leanne is happy about this. Absolutely. She's like, this is great. All of a sudden, he's got a lot of money and she's she's you know she comes in after he's already established the gym and all that so you know that she comes in and this is like a whole

new lifestyle for her of uh she went from having a hard time paying her rent being a single mother and she moves in with this guy and he's got plenty of money and doesn't mind taking care of her and the kid and everything else so of a teenager whose bills are about to fucking multiply exponentially she's happy and he's very nice to her too besides all that too they have a nice relationship they like each other he's nice to her uh july 1998 they have a big church wedding okay uh so i mean it's a big affair it's a a big fucking long island guido wedding big catholic oh mud on these fucking with this fucking wedding oh forget about it with this fucking wedding. We're going to have the nicest fucking wedding you've ever seen.

The ice sculptures in this fucking place. You don't understand. I don't care if you're just going to throw them out. Get the fuck out of here. We're having ice sculptures. My daughter's not getting married with no fucking ice sculptures. Sorry. It ain't a wedding unless she ruins a dress with that.

She's going to destroy it. Pasta sauce. Hey, oh. With the gravy. You don't even know. You have no idea. wedding unless she ruins a dress with that she's gonna destroy it pasta sauce hey oh gravy you don't even know you have no idea we're having linguine and clams red clams i know there's white bullshit we're having linguine and red clams that's what we're doing better get a red dress sweetheart hey sweetheart you ever think of wearing a red dress to the wedding because i'm having clam sauce you know what i'm talking about i'm in the mood that's fantastic so oh jesus christ so he also at this point uh

paul has an ownership this is weird uh he and uh leanne live in a house in babylon which is a near a close town here and uh the deed to the home was in leanne's father's name i don't know if he didn't have the credit just getting out of prison to buy a house, but had the money to do it, basically. His name wasn't on the deed, and the mortgage and the taxes were paid through Leanne's father, David, and his terrible cock.

And then... Poor guy. Sorry, David. David Armanini's cock is fine. It's probably... It's terrific. We think. You know what?

It's a dolphin head like no other. We'll put it that way. It'll just come out and swim right at you, but friendly, in a friendly manner. It'll go, make those dolphin noises, and you'll like it. You'll like it. Or it whispers you probably like women now. Yeah, either one. Either or.

Depends on the day. So eventually, the mortgage and the taxes and everything were everything was transferred into uh into leanne's name without paul's knowledge so the father ended up transferring everything to leanne okay but paul didn't know that he thought eventually it would be transferred to his name which is weird uh he also he has 50 5050 ownership in the Dolphin Fitness Club with Alex Algieri, like we said. He also owns a tanning salon. Whoa. What?

A Long Island tanning salon. That is the epi... You ever see Arachnophobia? Yeah. Where they have the epicenter of the main... The farmhouse? The main nest of spiders? That's the main nest of guidos.

They come from a tanning salon on Long Island. That's where they come from. When you leave... It they come from when you leave like a beehive they fucking everywhere that's where the queen lives right there and she's tanned and her hair is huge and she's got giant earrings yeah and she's handing out fucking horns on the way out to wear around your necklace so bleached blonde black hair that's just gold because it doesn't get blonde damn it no that doesn't your hair's too dark hey uh let me tell you something everybody i don't want to hear anybody bitching about us making fun of like fucking southern cultures or you know what i mean fucking trailer trash or this or that because i think i'm taking my shit to task pretty

fucking hard right now my last name is petra gallo everybody i fucking grew up with is a bunch of guidos my whole family's a bunch of these people so they steal steak knives it's true you know that you've seen it i'm telling you and they'll carry it around just in case carry around on the streets just in case you never know so let me tell you this is the best knife in town yeah that's why do you have my relatives yeah this is what i'm talking about jimmy has met these people so i believe me with nothing is sacred is what i'm getting at we're not sensitive because the restaurant name on the blade man yeah that's what makes it nicer apparently that's what makes that's how i know i stole it so i'll always know i'll always remember that rush i got out of stealing this fucking thing. This is what I'm talking about.

I love it. I love these people. They're fucking nuts. They're the greatest people in the world, though. Because if you said, hey, take that knife and stab that guy for me, you'd be like, where you at? In the ribs or in the neck? Or where should I get him?

What did he say to you? How bad was it? Was it a rib or a neck? Was it bad? He called you an asshole. Oh, I'm going to get him in the neck. All right. I thought he bumped into you by accident. Then I'll just get him in the ribs they're very loyal people what

organ you want me to put i'll put an organ out i don't mind so paul uh owns uh the dolphin fitness center owns a uh tanning salon and he also he keeps some cash handy yeah uh here on on deck some is a is a yeah so i'm underplaying it uh he keeps 140 000 in cash at leanne's grandmother's house and he keeps 140 000 in cash in a safety deposit box over a quarter million dollars yeah in a safe deposit box he has that to which uh uh when they first get married leanne has total access to this. It's basically a casino, Ace Rothstein and Sharon Stone situation with less money.

You can tell that's what he's setting up, too. He's like, I've seen casino. This is what you do. You keep a bunch of cash over here in an easily accessible thing, and then you get a safety deposit box. You have one key. You give it to your wife

in case somebody kidnaps you, and then you're going to need money. If he starts calling Leanne Ginger, we know that's for sure. We know this is a fucking problem. Ginger? I feel like that's where he got it from. And he told his friend Alex, he's like, I got a great fucking idea. Let's do the De Niro. You want to do the De Niro? I think we should do the De Niro. Jesus Christ.

I hope Alex doesn't turn into Pesci in this. This is getting real bad. That's fucking great. This is getting steep. This is a steep mountain that can fall. Oh, crumble to the ground. An avalanche of fucking an avalanche of hair gel and Paco Rabanne. So much oil and fall down. Jesus Christ.

And clam sauce. So they're married for a few months and everything is going great. I guess, here. And Leanne finds out that she's pregnant. Pregnant with her second child and their first. And everybody's thrilled. Her parents are thrilled. The family's thrilled.

Everybody's fucking as excited as can be about this. Nothing but happiness here. Problem is, Paul is kind of cracking a little bit. Well, I don't know if he's cracking. Well, yeah, we're going to call it cracking for a reason. He owns this business, and he's got a lot of stuff going on, and he just thinks he's kind of a modern-day Guido of all trades, I feel like. And he ends up, starts to use drugs again, specifically loves some crack cocaine. No.

So he starts smoking a bunch of crack. Crack that beer, speaking of crack, Jimmy. There you go. So he starts using a lot of crack, which is a problem for anybody usually. But he's got a lot of cash. And that's the thing with drugs and money. If you have money, then drugs aren't really, it doesn't present itself as a huge problem

unless you're getting arrested or something like that. A lot of times guys that go to prison and then get out and have a legit business end up going back to whatever. Yeah, because they're like, oh, fuck, I can do this again now. I'm so flush with cash. I have cash.

I can turn this into much more. I can do that. Well, not even to deal drugs. He's doing drugs. He's not deal drugs. He's doing drugs. He's not selling them. He's doing them. But eventually he's going to want to deal them, right? But he doesn't have time, I don't think, at this point.

His businesses take a lot of... But crack is a choice. Crack is a choice, I think. That's not a choice. Well, for him, I think it is. He usually do that as a necessity. I would like to smoke crack. For him, it's not. He's just like, I think crack would would like to smoke crack for him it's not he's

just like i think crack would be nice to smoke right now i like coke crack is cheaper this is great bananas decision higher high well not cheaper but yeah a little cheaper so uh uh now now pat uh leanne's mother uh pat claims that leanne told her about paul's drug use and said that you know she would always talk about it. She goes, I know Paul's using drugs, and I don't know how to stop it. And she's upset about it, as a wife would be, as any partner would be of someone

who's smoking crack on the side. You would hope so. You'd be worried. Unless you're doing it with him. Unless you're doing it with him, especially if you're pregnant with the child, and he's got businesses, and you have a house and all this stuff.

You're like, I'd appreciate it if he didn't smoke crack as much as he does i don't know everything else is fine i suppose you know yeah uh she told her mother about a number of incidents that that took place uh that would have leanne driving around in the middle of the night trying to find paul and bring him home because he's out partying uh she said the mother said that on one occasion leanne told her that leanne followed him to the location where he was going to buy drugs and then uh jumped out all pregnant and hysterical to stop the drug deal from happening and stop him from buying some more crack so this is a big pregnant woman jumping out going don't buy the crack like what a

fucking scene right as a drug you know this is illegal right can we can we maybe get your marital shit maybe you guys can talk about this after we're done with this illegal transaction how about you don't draw attention to what we're doing right here a hysterical yelling heavily pregnant woman draws attention in a parking lot i mean maybe not on long island though that probably very normal. It's just everyone's loud anyway, so it doesn't matter. So she wanted Paul to get off drugs, obviously. She told her mother she thought the baby would make things better. She's like, because babies are always, that always makes things better.

Like we've talked about before. If you have a stressful life and a tough relationship, a baby is the thing to introduce into it. Something that is more stressful than anything else you're dealing with. It'll make you forget you're both human beings. And you'll turn into zombies that are there to serve its infant master. And that's it. Serve their infant master. That's what you're like.

That's it. It's so true. God, Jesus, you're such a slave to as an adult you're a slave to something that can't even do anything itself it can't do shit it can do nothing and literally if you just put if you had it up in your hands and just move your hands aside it would die it's over it would just fall and die that's how fragile it is and we just take care of it which is what you should do if you have one as it makes we start running to whatever yeah so i mean if you're if everything is great it might be it's still going to be difficult uh if every if you're smoking crack and your relationship is is stressful then probably

not the best thing so she said that uh leanne told her mother apparently that uh she thought the baby coming out and being there physically would be Paul's wake-up call that, oh, I've got to stop smoking crack now because I've got to babysit, I suppose. That works. Hey, I have macaroni and cheese to make. I can't be doing this crack. I can't be doing this. Jesus Christ, I can't be smoking crack.

I've got to feed some mashed carrots to a baby. There have been so many times that I was with those kids and just completely out of energy, and you were like, I can't smell crack now. No, completely out of energy. I was just like, I could really at least use some crack right now. That's the thing, too. Crack could really help us. Crack would help you as a parent. They should give it to you at the hospital when you leave with the baby. They should go, well, here's a month's supply of crack to keep you awake and going.

You're not going to sleep anyway. You're not going to sleep anyway. At least this way you won't want to sleep. It'll be better for you. And Paul apparently seemed really excited about this child and then they found out it was going to be a boy which i'm sure that made him really excited he's like it's a fucking boy yeah look at this i made one with a dick on it i got a kid with a dolphin head coming out i like it so i did a reveal party and everything. Blue shit sprayed all over the fucking Long Island. Oh, it's going to be wonderful.

Yeah, this is great. So the child is born. They name him Nicholas. And Paul asks his best friend, Alex Algieri, to be the godfather, which is, of course, a big deal back there. So, yeah, he asked him to be the godfather. Algieri is thrilled to be the godfather. Algeria is thrilled to be the godfather because that's a position of honor for your friend. That's showing how close you are.

He's family, basically. And he named the kid Nick. Nicky. Little Nicky. I have many cousins. This is insane. Many cousins. This is the most cool story ever.

I have Nickys and Vinnys. My whole family is Nickys and Vinnys and Tommys and Jimmys. That's the whole fucking family. It's everybody that covers everybody. So it's, it's a goddamn disgrace. So however,

the, the problem is everybody's happy and everything's great. And Paul's thrilled and Leanne's thrilled and everybody's super happy. But the problem is Paul's still smoking crack, which is because it doesn't matter what other, it's not like you smoke crack cause you're a little bored. and everybody's super happy, but the problem is Paul's still smoking crack. Jesus Christ. Because it doesn't matter what other, it's not like you smoke crack because you're a little bored

and then when other shit picks up, you'll just put the crack aside. It's not like that. It's not like a Netflix series. No. You get really engrossed in it, you know what I'm saying? You're really, really engrossed in that shit, crack.

You marathon that shit. People, yeah, you for days. People who like crack really like crack. It's called a crack binge marathon that shit people yeah you for days people who like crack really like crack it's called a crack binge for a reason it's a thing yeah that's it's tough you see people walking around in the streets looking like zombies that's what they're looking for so that's how good it is uh leanne would apparently find needles also so apparently but we don't know because he's a big jacked up muscle guy too so he could be using roids which i would i assume everyone who owns a gym on long island and is like a workout guy is probably

fucking jacked up on roids i'd bet roids i just assume before i bet shooting crack yeah do you know how many fucking guido kids i knew who were like 16 who were on steroids when i was a teenager in the 90s and it's not even now when it's sure you know it was fucking crazy that got here i mean yeah people were talking to me well here you can go to mexico in fucking three hours and come back with it for free or come back with it easy so here it'd be bigger i would think 119 pounds in high school and people were telling me that i should i don't even work out what are you talking about what do we want why would that help me I don't want to be large. She would find needles and vials around the house, too. And she said that she told her mother she kept being scared that, you know, the baby would end up finding a fucking needle or a crack vial and play with it. And it's just, you don't want a kid putting a crack vial in their mouth.

Probably. Who knows where that's been? And somebody's ball sack. Number one. Fucking probably. And then, you know probably who knows where that's been right somebody's ball sack number one fucking uh probably and then you know who knows so uh in july 2000 uh paul comes home from work one night i assume on a uh you know on a crack high ready to take care of the kids but uh there's a problem he gets home and finds that leanne is not there the newborn baby's not there stepson isn't there everybody Everybody's gone.

Also, a bunch of shit from the house is gone. A bunch of the possessions. Oh, by the way, $140,000 gone, too. Where did Ginger go? The money, I guess, from the grandmother's house that they now had at their house, they moved it, is gone also. She's got both of them. Clearly, there's a problem she's got the kids the furniture and the money so there's an issue here uh he finds out that leanne took the

kids to florida uh to her mother's house with james woods to with james woods uh with 140 grand in her pocket uh down to whatever the fuck to hang out with her mom and to uh i guess try to have this maybe be a wake-up call to stop smoking crack and coming home at night uh so jesus christ that's crazy so uh yeah so that's that's that now uh it's that it's when she moves there she moves down with uh with pat her mother and her mother's partner elizabeth uh they moved down there uh paul calls down there says hey uh how's it going you know uh so you took the took the sun and the furniture and all the cash and everything so can i have my money back oh sitting here in a lawn chair in our big giant house yeah he said basically uh two things i'd like back please uh my son would be

good and the money that you took would be nice also. We'll talk about you and the furniture later, but those are the ones that I'd really like to have first. If there's a triage system, those are the ones I'm really going to concentrate on. Okay. So in August of 2000, August 25th to be exact, Paul files for divorce. He files. He files for divorce, and this is to start a custody thing so he can try to get the kid back quickly. This is the fastest way he can get some kind of visitation right out of it, apparently, is this.

So he was, apparently, by all accounts, we don't know how true this is, but by accounts, he stopped doing as much drugs at least at this point possibly altogether uh he was very very he's very shook up by the fact that he was scared he wasn't going to be able to see his son because she took the son away and he's like i gotta be clean and have my shit together to be able to get custody of my son okay so he's very much uh into being able to see his son uh and uh he also wanted but he and that he wanted to see his son if she wouldn't come back. But ideally, he wanted her to come back with the kids and just, you know, live there and shit, you know, get back together. That's that's what they wanted. But but anyway, he filed this and he he ends up just telling everybody how much he wants to be a part of his son's life. He can't do it from New York to Florida.

That's very hard. And he spends the time trying to reconcile anyway while the court proceedings are going on. He makes a lot of promises. He promises to change. He's going to be home more. He's not going to be smoking crack. He said, I'll go to rehab for the fucking Coke thing. Whatever it takes.

I'm just a fucking clean slate here. You know, I got caught up in everything. And now I want to start cleaning. Keep the family. Absolutely. She says, okay. She says, okay. She's in.

I'll do that. If you'll go to rehab and everything will be the way it was, we'll do it. Paul cancels the divorce proceedings. So that's all good. She moves back with the kids to live with him in Babylon and also returns the portion of the money that's all good she moves back with the kids uh to live with him in babylon and uh also returns the portion of the money that's left she spent money while she was down there for months got to live and shit and you know she's got kids to support but she returns whatever money was left so i mean everything is everything's fine everything seems fine on the

surface uh this is december of 2000 they're trying to sort out their marriage uh they want to try again everybody believes that paul's gotten over his issues and that everybody's felt the whole family she tells her mom he seems to be better the whole thing is is okay here uh paul uh he's happy because now he doesn't have to go down to florida to see his kids so he can stay with his business and he has his wife and he sees his son, and everything's happy. Problem here is it's not all as happy as it seems on the surface. And we'll find out. Something crazy happens on January 17, 2001.

17, 2001, Alex Algieri's at the gym. It's Paul's night off, and Alex is at the gym. And remember, it's a 24-hour gym's night off and alex is at the gym and it's a remember it's a it's a 24-hour gym right but this is 720 at night this this goes on it's it's january though so it's pitch black out at 720 in new york in january obviously and it's freezing cold there's some snow on the ground it's just one of those new york nights um and uh paul was off like we said alex is doing an aerobics class in the gym. He's got an aerobics class that he's teaching or running or whatever the fuck.

He goes out to his car to get some CDs because it's 2001. So he goes out to the car to get some CDs to play for the aerobics class. Jock jams. Exactly. We're going to pump fucking get our blood pumping, man. Pump up the volume in here. Let's do it. And it is a normal day.

I mean, the normal classes, the normal people show up at the classes. Everything's normal. He pops out. He goes out the building's back door to the parking lot to get the CDs out of his car. The parking lot is not very well lit. It's very dark, the parking lot. And I guess these guys park kind of away from the door so the customers have more access because they come in and they stay there for hours so they don't need to run out to their cars so they goes and it's a it's a dark part of the part of the parking lot uh alex goes

around to the passenger side of his car to get cds from the glove compartment and out of nowhere a man jumps out of a vehicle park nearby alex turns around and the man shoots him several times in the face and neck oh my god alex yeah the partner here so alex uh makes it back into the gym jesus leaves a big trail of blood in the snow and the whole deal uh makes it back into the gym and collapses uh people obviously call 9-1-1 and people come they heard the gunshots and then he comes in bleeding all over the place with gunshot wounds in the face which you see a gunshot wound to someone's face that's a that's a lot you'll call 9-1-1 fast you don't ask are you okay you just grab the fucking phone and start dialing he's clearly not okay uh so yeah uh this this was

crazy he ends up uh the ambulance gets there He ends up dying before he arrives at the hospital. So Alex Algieri gets shot. People go crazy because he has no enemies. Everybody likes him. At the gym, he's the most popular guy. Everybody digs him. They don't understand it. They're like, well, maybe he was fucking some girl at the gym.

And he's got an angry husband or something like that. They don't have any. They're like, well, maybe he was fucking some girl at the gym. Right. And he's got an angry husband or something like that. They don't have any leads on this at all because they just don't understand why a well-liked guy with no enemies at all, he's not in financial trouble, he wasn't borrowing money from loan sharks or anything like that. Why would someone come and shoot him in a clear, clearly on purpose? There was no robbery or anything like that. Somebody waited on him. Somebody waited on him and shot him in the face and neck a bunch of times and then drove away.

So this is on purpose. So they had no leads, nothing to go on. And it goes on for so long. I mean, we're talking a year passes. What? They have no leads. Nothing. There's no leads.

They have nothing to do. They start to go, what could this be then they start to after a while they go i mean maybe fucking uh they start to say okay it's dark yeah he owns the gym he's got no enemies his partner from doing all these all this all this research they find out that his partner's got a drug problem and he's got this and he's got that he did time he probably knows people who are bad people maybe they're looking for him blah blah blah maybe this maybe they were looking for the wrong person maybe they were looking for paul who the fuck knows they don't know that's clever it's like the police or they it's like they were trying to put leads together and so rumors start to spread around too

because then anytime some guido tells another guido he's going to tell more guidos yeah that's how it works there's a guido telegraph system that goes on here. Everybody talks about it. Guido Telephone is cool. It's a great game because the story gets more and more embellished and better by the end. Yeah, by the end. I think it started. By the end, a machine gun, five machine gunners popped out like the St. Valentine's Day Massacre

and sprayed Alex down while yelling yelling this is for the boss this is for big vinnie and then they fucking sprayed him down i feel like that's what happened there by the end of it it's like a dick tracy movie by the end of it yeah it's fucking crazy but they really said that he's he's dealt drugs he dealt drugs for years he does drugs it would make sense that he would be in the people, be in drug-related debts. He's got a flashy lifestyle. He might have pissed somebody off. But there's no evidence for that either.

They just have no evidence. They're just grasping at straws. Yeah. Now, Leanne feels the same way, though. Leanne, after the funeral, after Algeri's funeral, uh, she starts asking Paul if do you, you know, Hey, we know Alex doesn't do shit.

We know he's clean as a fucking whistle and we know you're not. Right. We know you've been doing fucking drugs. Who knows if you've been fucking around with women? Who knows if you've been pissing off people in the street? We don't know what you've been doing. Do you think maybe it could have been for you? You drive the same kind of car,

right? Same model, right? You look similar in a dark parking lot. You're both a couple of jacked up guidos with brown hair. Same shit. Maybe it was for you. So then she starts going, what if I had been there?

What if me and the baby were there? What if we came to bring you fucking dinner or something? You come out to get it and this guy sprays us all down. Yeah, but it wasn't. But it wasn't. What are you fucking talking about? I got enough to worry about getting whacked on the streets. I got to come home for this?

You weren't there, God damn it, Karen. Shut up. Jesus Christ. You knew there was a Goodfellas reference coming somewhere. Certainly. 2R, Rossi, you are nothing but a whore. Is this the superintendent? You have a whore living in your building.

Rossi, Janice, 2R. is this the superintendent you have a whore living in your building rossi janice 2r so anyway yeah uh she says look why don't we all let's take the kids and let's move down to florida let's get away from this fucking craziness let's take the kids and move to florida what are we doing we're still alive we're still alive this is crazy we don't know what's going on maybe this is intended for you let's take christopher and nicholas the two kids will move down to florida permanently uh now at this point paul is the uh he's the only owner of the gym and he wants to keep the gym because this is his source of a lot of money makes money this is what he does so he decides okay uh to make everybody feel better

he'll move we'll all move down to florida and I'm going to try to run things from Florida. I'll have a manager up there, and I'll try to just do it by proxy. And he could do email and shit like that. It's 2002, 2003 at this point. So he would fly out regularly to check on the business. Every week, he's flying back up to Long Island to check on the business, which sounds miserable. Also, he had plans to build a house for the family in florida they're going to build a house down there because you know you can it's swamp land you can

build it for nothing and uh like i said it's prequel to florida that's the migration see how it goes so uh now according to leanne's friends uh leanne leanne and paul were both very happy about the move uh paul spoke about it to people that he was excited. He couldn't wait to build a house. You can build a big house for cheap down there. It's not like Long Island. It's going to be great. I like that he's leaving New York to get away from drugs and going to Florida.

To get away from cocaine. Right. He'll possibly get away from people who might want to murder him for drugs. He'll make a whole new lot of enemies down here. There's so many more. So now the police in Long Island are still investigating this because this is like it happened outside to a popular guy that everybody knew. This could be anybody. Yeah, this isn't like, you know, they didn't just find some drifter in the streets behind a dumpster somewhere.

This is a guy that everybody knows who he is. But months pass with nothing uh he uh he at this point he uh paul on one of his trips to new york he talks to a relative of his and he his relative has to have a chat with him and he says i gotta talk to you about leanne yeah he said uh every time you go out of town uh uh in florida every time you go out of town, a man comes over to Leanne's apartment and gives her the business, we think. Good service. There's somebody coming over.

There's a dude coming over to see Leanne whenever you're out of town, basically, is what he says. So he says, I don't know. I don't know if she's having an affair. I don't know what's happening. But I figured I'd tell you. There's a lot of work going on in your apartment. There's a lot of work. I don't know if you've got plumbing issues. Maybe she does. I don't know. I happening but i figured i'd tell you there's a lot of work going on in your apartment a lot of work i don't know if you got plumbing issues maybe she does i don't know

you know i'm not making any insinuations if you know what i'm talking about there's some plumbing going on there's a pipe being laid somebody's laying pipe there's a dolphin head making an appearance he's coming out of the bag is all i'm going to talk about now so paul doesn't believe it though he dismisses the stories he says it's bullshit that's not how leanne is she's just not like that i don't believe it for one second he thought that uh uh he thought he thinks at this point everything is fine uh it's april of 2001 a few months have gone by he thinks everything's fine it's good you know why how i know it's good leanne's even pregnant again oh boy our life is going great yeah she's so into marriage, she's happy to have another baby with me. I'm leaving it in her.

I'm not even pulling out. That's how happy we are. We're so happy, I'm just leaving it in. You know what I mean? I got a better cock than a dad. Let's just say that. That's what I'm telling you. So she's pregnant again.

He even told all of his relatives that they were going to call their new baby Paul Jr. Oh, God. After him. So we're going to really their new baby Paul Jr. after him. So we're going to really round out the cycle here. You got Paulie in there now? I'm sorry. Yeah, he's going to be Paulie and Paul. And that's how there's my father's Jim and I'm Jimmy.

And that's how that works. That's how it ends up happening. This is what we do. End the cycle. End it. Stop naming each other. And if you're a crime and sports listener, you'll know. And if you're not, you suck. You should be listening to crime and sports i'm sorry and you would know that

juniors are always trouble it's a bad thing whenever you're a junior or you name your child junior that child or you something bad there's a there's a problem there it's it met trust me mathematically it works listen to crime and sports it happens it gets cloudy out that's what happens whenever a guy goes i'm gonna name a kid after myself we go oh things are going wrong this is bad so uh uh but uh everybody was like well okay great then i guess everything's fine i mean even the relative was like all right well you say she's not banging somebody i just i just had information to tell you i'm not gonna fucking what do i know yeah i'm just a guy don't shoot the messenger i'm just a guy uh for a shoot the messenger. I'm just a guy.

For a few months, everything's fine. Like I said, April 2001, she tells Paul she's pregnant. By September of 2001, he keeps hearing these persistent rumors all summer about guys and Leanne and this one and that one. So at this point, he questions her about whether he's the father of this child. He actually questions her about it. And she says, yeah you are what are you talking about yeah what are you talking about you been leaving it in me you know that you know that what do you mean you were there too uh october of 2001 uh leanne files for divorce from paul oh uh in florida so they're down there, which is interesting. And now, right around this same time,

this was October 2001, she files for divorce. In November 2001, a completely seemingly unrelated thing happens. A drug dealer in New York named Michael Hubbard gets busted by the DEA for having, I don't remember the exact amount,

but I believe it was like 495 pounds of weed or some shit like that. So he gets busted. With a lot. With a lot. Trafficking. They got him pretty good. So this is the type of guy

who's going to try to figure out a way to who can I tell on. You betcha. I'll tell on any, you want to know what my mother's been up to? I'll tell you. So this Michael Hubbard, he says,

I got some information, has nothing to do with the weed i've been selling i'm not going to give up a drug syndicate i'm not insane but i do have another dildo i'll give to you no problem here uh there's a guy named ralph salerno uh who and a guy named scott paget from florida is what this hubbard tells police he said they were the guys who were involved in the murder of alex algeri he said he knows this uh he said that uh obviously he said now maybe you can drop my charges down a little bit he's doing this in exchange maybe i got 495 grams a week maybe it's grams we drop

maybe we go 245 we'll call it we'll call it even in half so uh uh now what the fuck is this guy talking about exactly well let's talk about that police at this point say well let's talk to this salerno and paget guys too because i feel like they might know some shit here so they talk to these two guys uh now what ends up happening is what we don't know what we didn't know was going on while all this reconciliations and all this shit was going on when leanne first moved down to florida uh leanne uh discussed with her mother and elizabeth her mother's partner uh trying to find someone that would scare paul into staying away from her about the money and the kid yeah like basically to just leave her alone because he was calling and he's saying you know i want to see

my son things like that that you do when you're when you want to see your kids right you know when they move to another state without you knowing without you know, I want to see my son, things like that that you do when you want to see your kids. Right. You know, when they move to another state without you knowing, without your knowledge, you might want to see them. So you might keep calling and saying, I'd like to see my kid now. And also that $100,000 you took from me also. That'd be helpful. I'd like both of those things, like we said.

So during this, Elizabeth, the partner there, the mother's partner told a guy named uh larry diodato uh who was a friend of hers she told her that her niece she just called her her niece to make it easy uh her niece wanted someone to beat up her husband who owned a gym and a house and had a bunch of money basically is what he told her so this diodato then got a hold of ralph salerno uh and told him that this that this eliz Elizabeth's niece wanted someone to beat up her husband. So now there's a guy named Richard Pollack, who's a friend of Salerno's. Now, this is going down the line here. Salerno's, he said that he arranged a meeting with the mother, with Leanne's mother and Salerno uh with arranged a meeting yeah this whole thing so

this is crazy now they had a meeting between this is at the mother's house in florida leanne's mother's house this is leanne's leanne leanne's mother and her partner uh and a guy named salerno and this richard pollock are all there Okay? This is the summer of 2000. They have the idea of scaring Paul. They talked about beating him up. She says Leanne told them that she has access to money in a safe deposit box, so she can pay cash for these type of things. For these services.

For these services. During the meeting, they said... They didn't have a square. Is that what happened? They had no square back then. That's the thing. See, commerce is so much easier now. They could have venmoed him over the money and it would have been fine everybody's so much happier and easier uh so they said now these fucking guys are crafty they said well why don't we plant drugs on him uh we plant drugs on him we could

beat him up we could get him you know plant drugs on him call the cops on him we could get him beat up uh she said that she wanted him beaten. She's like, not the drug thing, because that'll just take lawyer money. We have health insurance. Beat his ass. She said, but not badly hurt. Just rough him up a little, is what she said. Jesus Christ.

Scumbag's got insurance, but James doesn't. But I don't have insurance, so I don't own a gym and a tanning salon. Maybe I need to invest in a tanning salon. Jimmy, we're opening a small-town tanning salon. Maybe I need to invest in a tanning salon. Jimmy, we're opening a tanning. Small town murder tanning. That's what we're going to open now. I'm going to get you a crack habit, too. That's what I need is a good crack habit.

I feel like a good strong crack habit. Crack habit. Crap habit. Crap habit. I think a good crack habit would be better for me because I have to work long hours on this. I don't get to sleep a lot. You're awfully sleepy. Yeah, that's what I mean. I think a crack habit I could use it would cheer me up a little

anybody out there if you have suggestions on uh you know particular crack preparations you might you know you have friends that we can get crack from whatever yeah I had to make it myself I'm not I'm not above cooking it up I'll cook it up I never dug a fucking hole before i think the fucking hole so so before the meeting's over salerno and pollock tell the ladies there that uh tell the fucking golden girls here that they would let them know if we can help we'll let you know we're going to talk amongst ourselves we'll let you know so uh now once this uh drug dealer this hubbard in new york gives up uh salerno and Paget guy who we haven't introduced yet. Paget, by the way, is like a total righted up bodybuilder guy who collects small time debts and shit from people. He's like Rocky before Rocky got the fight against Apollo Creed.

Got it. That's who he is. So the police bring in Salerno and Paget for questioning. is uh so the police bring in salerno and paget for questioning uh now from the very beginning paget right away is like oh yeah i know salerno fucking killed that guy 100 yeah he's he killed him uh he fired the gun he did everything uh i drew i was just the driver yeah so right away he's like no we were there i drove he shot him that's it can i go home now we good or what i got some bodybuilding debts yeah you got any weights around here i've been here for like eight hours i'm starting to lose my fucking

starting to lose my pump you know what i mean i i'm not looking as vascular as i'd like to if you just got like a dumbbells or maybe just a bar i could fuck with maybe somewhere i could hang and do some pull-ups on a dolphin ain't even poking out something my dolphin heads my dolphin head's very sad right now he's looking right at the floor that's what happens so uh salerno at first he's like i don't know what you're talking about i have no idea i don't know i never i never heard of that guy who's that alex i don't know i don't know anybody namely and breedle i don't know any of these people i don't know what you're talking about and then they go do you know this paget guy and he's like um they're like because he says he knows you matter of fact he says he drove you there and

watched you shoot the motherfucker in the face right what do you think of that so he's like okay tell you what here's what happened maybe i do know those guys oh you know what i've heard of her i thought you said right now yeah see i know too i know the other one she's from dallas it's a different different girl it's a different girl i know know a lot of women. I'm sorry. I get around. So he says he now says that Leanne is the one who came up with the murder plot and that Salerno, all I was trying to do was follow instructions, which by the way

is not a valid excuse for shooting someone. Also illegal. I was just doing what somebody was paying me to do. I think that's worse actually, sir. It'd be better if you said I didn't like that guy so I killed him. I think that's better than someone paid me money to kill him in cold blood.

I feel like in the courts, they look down upon that sort of thing here. Jesus Christ. There is a crime of passion. You know what I mean? Yeah. If you know somebody

and you got a beef with them and there's a crime of passion, second degree, isn't it? People can understand it, at least they can put, because what you want is you at least put the jury in your brain of i if i was there maybe i would say too you know the moment who knows yeah but but preparation preparation and to go from florida to new york

to do something and get paid for it that seems like an awful it's a little cold-blooded uh at now he also has another kind of uh little bombshell here he also says uh the other reason i did this not only for the money but i've been having an affair with leanne since the time she moved to florida oh jesus since she right after because she moved to florida a little before this but in july of 2000 i believe the first phone record contacts between everybody is in july of 2000 july 28th 2000 and uh yeah salerno she found a guido in florida there's a lot it's the migration pattern they're down there trust me that's where they go to die uh now leanne's as she he says leanne's mother pat introduced them and uh she the i with the idea of hey this is what he says he says that leanne's mom came to

him going uh look she's scared of her ex-husband you're scared of her husband could you maybe protect uh could you maybe protect her if if he ever comes down here to try to take the baby or do anything crazy you know will you protect her that's how the way he said that's the way he states it he says but the developed the relationship developed you know they fell in love they kept seeing each other even when the leanne and paul were back together they were still seeing each other he was the one coming over to the house when uh when paul would go back to do uh you know to do uh gym shit in new york and even when they were back together before the algeri murder this guy's an asshole

yeah he's an asshole salerno now he claims that uh leanne gave him instructions to go to new york and kill paul uh reedle and offered him a payment of a hundred thousand dollars for this from the safety deposit box i assume and salerno said i killed the wrong guy oh that's just all it was i thought he was fucking paul oh my god she said black gmc yukon he looks like this right that's what he looked like got out and shot the fuck out of him I thought he was fucking Paul. Oh, my God. She said, black GMC Yukon. He looks like this. That's what he looked like. Got out and shot the fuck out of him.

Thought it was the right guy. So this Alex did. Hasn't he ever been to Long Island before? Yeah, they all look alike. They're all over, sir. That's the problem. You need DNA. You got to swab a guy before.

Swab a guy, send it in, wait for it to come back. Then you go kill him. He could be anybody the mob deserves a lot more credit for killing the right people yeah it has they did kill the wrong people a few times yeah yeah but for the most part they got the right guy most of the time there's this one case there's this one case of cops that these murders that worked for the mob they uh they're uh they wrote a book it's funny one of the guys is actually in Goodfellas, one of the crooked cops. Oh, is that right?

Yeah, he's actually in Goodfellas for a minute here. But these guys actually, the mob gave them a contract to kill a guy, and so they would look him up through police records and all that, and they killed the wrong guy. They just happened to have the same name. Wow. They killed some 19-year-old kid who was a little slow. That's what happens when you keep naming them all the same thing.

He was a little slow and like moved boxes at a warehouse and shit like that. He had no connection to anything and they just shot the fuck out of him. It happens. But this is a real fuck up here. This is this is not good here. So he just said, I don't know. They look the same. They're both strong.

They had similar features. They work in the same place. They drive the same type of fucking car the place was poorly lit dark night what do you want from me a mistaken identity and the police were like that actually makes sense yeah that makes that's the only thing we've heard that's made sense that could possibly be it his story was also backed up because he said uh yeah you can test the kid by the way because i'm the father of that kid so oh no he said uh that's so because test the kid, by the way, because I'm the father of that kid. Oh, no.

He said, because they were like, why should we believe you that you were having an affair and all this? And he goes, well, you can take a DNA test and see because I've been leaving it in as well. So, yeah. God, Jesus. Yeah, so now they're like, okay, now that adds up to what he said of them seeing each other. And now the cops are starting to take him seriously, especially since he admits to killing the guy.

And why would he just say it's mistaken identity? If you know, it just makes no sense to confess to that. So now at this point, Leanne, she does not. She denies any part of anything. Of course, she does confess that she has been having an affair and that her new baby, Zachary, is actually Salerno. And they named him Zachary. Zachary. They left Paul

out of the loop here. You know what? Zachary's better. Maybe we'll middle name maybe Paul. She hit him with all biblical shit though. Yeah. Zachary and Christopher and Nicholas. So Zachary is his name and yeah so uh nicholas so uh zachary is his name and uh yeah she says but yeah i was fucking him but i did not have any planning any part in the planning of

the murder uh she said i don't know i'm sure salerno was probably jealous and he just react did it on his own and over the fact that they appeared to be reconciling as a couple the reedles and he probably couldn't take that. And he just said, well, I bet if I kill Paul, then I can have her all to myself and whatever. Wrong place. And she said, you know, Alex was just at the wrong place in the wrong time, Algerian.

He got shot in the face, which is a tough consequence for wrong place, wrong time. Horrible. So Leanne also said that she did continue the affair even after Alex Algerieri's death. And she said it was because her husband had changed. She said he had grown withdrawn and paranoid since the murder. You think his best friend and business partner has been murdered?

Has been murdered parking lot of his business. And then he's convinced by his wife that they're probably looking for him and they should go to Florida. So now he's like the third act of Goodfellas Henry Hill. He's convinced by his wife that they're probably looking for him and they should go to Florida. So now he's like the third act of Goodfellas, Henry Hill. He's got Coke. He's looking out for helicopters. He's got tomato sauce to stir. He's driving, almost getting an accident.

He's a fucking mess. I go to the bank. It's fucking there. I go here. I go there. I go to Jimmy's house with the silencers. You want to see helicopters? I'll show you helicopters.

All right. Never mind. No more Goodfellas references. I promise. It's always there, Karen. It's always there karen well let's it's just it's funny that's all it's just it's a funny thing that's all it is it's just funny for now we don't know anything so anyway uh obviously he's fucking withdrawn and paranoid i would be too yeah and of course he's probably still doing coke also which doesn't help either if you're already withdrawn and paranoid you add coke to the mix.

So police really they said, we really got to concentrate on Leanne and find out what the fuck she knows. And finally, they kind of get some some ends here. A guy named Michael Paglianti. Yeah, I'm telling you, this is a fucking story about guidos. This is ridiculous. This is why I'm doing this. Because next week, don't yell at me when I make fun of hillbillies. Thank you.

When I'm talking like this and you guys are like, stop doing the southern accent. I do this just as fucking much. Eat dicks, you asshole. I hate this more, actually. You have no idea. You don't even know. You hate this more than I, y'all? Yeah, yeah, I do.

As a matter of fact. So, Jesus Christ. So, he says, this guy tells police, Michael Paglianti, that beginning in December of 2000, Salerno asked him to help obtain a gun and to rent him a van using this paglianti's credit card because salera doesn't have a fucking credit card and i'm sure even if he did he wants to keep the yeah keep it all keep it all work away from him that'd be smart here also what kind of man what kind of what the fuck is going on she's cheating on her husband who's a successful businessman yeah yeah he's got a crack habit. Whatever. He's a successful businessman. It's better than this fucking idiot. You're fucking a guy.

Better than this two-bit shitbag. Florida gangster. Letting a guy that doesn't have a fucking credit card leave it inside you? What the fuck is going on? This is a mess, Jimmy. This is ridiculous. This is a Guido disaster of epic proportions. Fucking hell.

So he says that he wanted him to help him rent a van using his credit card. And Salerno offers Paglianti $3,000 to drive Salerno to New York to kill Paul. And this Paglianti goes, you know what? I'm good. I'm going to drive. This all sounds like a lot. I got to rent things with my credit card. I got to drive you places to kill a guy.

It's like a 14-hour drive. I'm out. No, I'm out. Or it's more than that. It's like a 20-hour drive to Florida. It's two days. Yeah, it's a trip it's like a 14 hour drive no i'm out no i'm out or it's more than that's like a 20 hour drive it's two days yeah it's a trip long way so he said no i pass i'm gonna pass on that one but now he knows about the whole plot so later on this is when he's talking to police and telling them about it putting shit together so he passes takes a hard pass on that one good call so salerno then offers to pay the paget guy the uh small time uh you know debt collecting steroid dude yeah uh offers to pay him three thousand dollars the same three thousand

to drive him from florida to new york and back gun aside salerno will get the gun himself this is just for transport drive him there drive him back three grand all right three grand so this paget says all right that's the by the way the we have the redneck version of you know all right this is him all right he shrugged his shoulders i mean all right all right all right all right so uh he gives him 3 000 salerno gets a gun himself uh now dio dato he says that uh salerno asked him this dio dato is the guy who originally made the introduction right he says that salerno asked him, Diodato's the guy who originally made the introduction, he says that Salerno asked him in January 2001 to rent Salerno a car

because Salerno didn't have a credit card. But Diodato couldn't help him because he also did not have a credit card. These are a bunch of people trying to set up hits and like, oh, we'll meet you, we'll see if we can help you with your problems.

They don't have a fucking Visa card, these people. They don't have a 560 credit score. How do you not have your life together enough? Jesus Christ. That makes sense. That's the type of people that I expect to be having hits on. That's the thing. These are fucking morons.

These aren't successful men who are like, I like to do it as a rush on the side. So that the solution to fixing problems is murder generally don't have great credit no and they're idiots too because they're now spreading this plot to more people uh including salerno then asked dio dato if he's like hey dio dato i guess owns a business he goes maybe one of your employees can rent me a car someone that works for you must have a fucking credit card with a credit card let me ask you? Let me ask you something. Let me ask you a question. Let me ask you a question real fast. Hold on. So Diodato gives him two of his names of his employees.

That's two more people to involve in the spider web. No one can ever get caught, right? This house of cards will never come down. Who do you trust that has a credit card? Well, they trust a guy named Lucas Shuck and Jimmy Dazzler. That's D-A-Z-Z-L-E-R. Got to be shitting me. Jimmy Dazzler is his fucking name, which sounds like a bad Vegas act.

Jimmy Dazzler, the comedic magician. On the old strip, kind of like Binions or some shit. Jimmy Dazzler, he works a floor show. He just goes around whipping fucking cards out in people's faces while they're trying to shoot crap. You dazzled yet? He works a floor show. He just goes around whipping fucking cards out in people's faces while they're trying to shoot crap. Fucking true. You dazzled yet? So dazzled. I see.

All I saw was some drag queen. You get that too. That just refuses to. You got to tip him a chip or two or he won't go away. He'll keep doing chips. Refuses to leave. Just keep doing tricks for you. Oh, yeah. Well, I guess this is your card a drag

queen fucking magician drag queen comedic magician that is everything just turns into a puff of glitter and he goes to get dazzled jimmy dazzler jimmy dazzler and he puts the smoke up but then he's still standing there he didn't tip him if you tipped him he'd have And he puts the smoke up, but then he's still standing there because you didn't tip him. If you tipped him, he'd have been gone behind the smoke. I'd leave, but you won't give me those chips. So finally, Dazzler says no. Dazzler says, I don't think so. He didn't dazzle me.

He gets out. He's not dazzled by this whole, by this plot. Lucas Shuck, though, he says fine. He uses his credit card to rent a white minivan for salerno so now these hitmen are driving up in a fucking caravan which is hilarious so this paget guy says that he and salerno left in the minivan for new york during january 16 2001 and salerno called him several times the day before they left which were backed up with a bunch of phone records saying that uh salerno called paget four times on january 16th which

is the day before the murder a bright white minivan white minivan that's the murder car yeah that's a murder car blend right in i mean it's a minivan yeah which is good but it's bright maybe like a maroon one or something they didn't have a black one nothing every every rental lot's got a black one get a dark blue they make minivans in black and everything. Fuck yes. So he said that Paget said he and Salerno arrived in New York in the late afternoon on January 17th. Okay. January 17th, he says, 725 p.m. Salerno shot Algieri in the back parking lot of the gym thinking that he was Paul.

He even said to him before he shot him, he yelled out, hey, Paul. Oh, boy. So that's how we know that he was he yelled out, hey, Paul. Oh, boy. So that's how we know that he was actually, he yelled, hey, Paul, which is interesting. And they said, following the shooting, Salerno disposed of the gun and the clothing he'd been wearing in a nearby body of water. And then Padgett drove them back to Florida. So he threw the gun and the clothes out the window. They drive back on down to Florida. What a gangster thing to say to somebody.

What a hit. Yeah. Hey, Paul. And then before he could say, I'm Alex. You know, funny thing. He should have waited for an answer. He should have waited for it. You know, people do.

I'm Alex, actually. Oh, never mind. You know where Paul's going to be coming in tonight. Okay. Well, I'll see you tomorrow night. He didn't know the fucking guy's schedule. It was day off you idiot didn't even know his schedule uh which is crazy uh and uh paget also says the three thousand dollar figure was paid to him when they returned to florida i didn't even give him a half up front so uh uh now at the time of the murder both of

them paul and alex both worked at the gym drove a black gmc yukon suvs with white dolphin fitness club emblems placed on the back of the vehicle so they were couldn't even tell them apart by that they post parked their vehicles in the same places in the same place when you know that was like the the owner spot uh they were similar in appearance like we said not many other vehicles were in the back of the gym because the lighting was dim. So a lot of people parked out front. Now, Paul, they talked to Paul, which is a weird thing. Normally, you don't get to hear from the intended target of a hit like this. That's got to be freaky. That's like for you.

You're like, Jesus, I'm supposed to be dead now. For fuck's sake. I didn't. I was with this lady for a goddamn year after this. Holy shit. I'm trying to get back with her and everything. Fuck, man. year after this holy shit i'm trying to get back with her and everything uh fuck man he says that uh leanne knew where the car was usually parked at the gym and uh he knew that when he left his

he left his home to go to work on the day of the murder uh that uh leanne was home and he told leanne that he was going to work that's the thing he said he told leanne he was going to work that night but he wasn't going to work he was going out to smoke crack smoking yeah so Leanne he was going to work that night, but he wasn't going to work. He was going out to smoke crack. Crack smoking. Yeah. So she thought he was at work. That's why this happened. And also Leanne knew that he was driving his Yukon to work. You told me crack saved his life?

It's crack for once. Crack saved his life, Jimmy. For once. That is amazing. Never happened before. Yeah. Sometimes. It's dangerous.

Sometimes. I don't know. Not always. Sometimes it shakes out. Sometimes, you know what it is? It's time dangerous. Sometimes. Oh, not always. Sometimes it shakes out. Sometimes. You know what it is? It's time consuming. And sometimes when bad other bad things can be happening, you're not there. Why?

Because you're smoking crack. That's right. So fuck. Yeah. So unbelievable. With the help of the Padgett guy, the gun was recovered from a creek along the Montauk Highway in the Amityville area near where Padgett said that they threw the gun out. So they found the gun.

It's recovered from the creek. It's a Smith & Wesson Model 60 five-shot double-action revolver.38. That's what I got. That's what you got. Yes, I know. I was going to say it's a five-shot like you got. That's a damn good handgun. Yeah, they found expended.38 special cartridge casings inside,

you know, because it's a revolver. Still holds them. Yeah, it still holds them. Hang on to them. Which is perfect for their usage. They're like, great! Look at this! This makes this super easy. This is awesome. They were all copper-washed lead bullets of the.38 caliber class, according to the report, obviously.

Consistent with Winchester brand .38 special, .38 Smith & wesson shit so anyway uh so we know that so now the police are in a difficult situation here though because they have a bunch of stories of a bunch of untrustworthy fucking people and they don't know what's true uh they have conflicting stories very little physical evidence other than the gun matching uh they have that they they say the only thing they have to let the thing go to court and see what's going to happen because they don't know they're basically going to throw it into court and go let's see let's shake the dice and see what

the fuck comes out here uh so in march of 2003 they arrest leanne too they're like fuck it they're all saying she's involved maybe she is let's take it to court and find out. They also arrest her, and they decide that her and Salerno are going to be co-defendants, too. They're going to fucking have the cases together. This is really weird. That's smart, actually. It's smart because what they want to do, and they talked about it, what they want to do is they want the jury to see them together. To go, these two were together, and they planned shit together.

They want them to see them in the same place so they're not some abstract idea and this guy's making the point that this is what happened yeah and now she's got to be his co-defendant and say that's not what happened and him saying it in court in front of her somehow has more weight of in front of it whatever yeah because you got to see her reaction versus his reaction of what he's saying and then vice versa absolutely well they're they're tried at this. This is fucking weird. They're tried in the same room at the same time, and they had the same prosecutor prosecuting both of them, but they had two different juries

that were both there at the same time. They each had their own jury, which is fucking weird. I guess that would be advantageous because that way a jury can't go, well, I don't know if he was involved. It's all one or the other. Are there two jury boxes in a courtroom? I don't know if they had to make a fucking bleacher for them or bring in some folding chairs or what the deal is with that shit.

A visitor in a home gym? Yeah, a visitor in a home. I don't know what the hell it was, but they had different juries, which is super weird. They faced charges of first degree murder second degree murder and conspiracy to commit murder okay lots of murdery things happening here tons uh the prosecutor assistant district attorney uh denise merrifield she began basically trying to uh establish that uh that the intended victim was paul first that's the first thing they have to establish intended victims paul not alex because that that way you can't tie it all into them otherwise.

So Salerno confirmed that, yes, that he gets on the stand. He confirms that, you know, yeah, we were trying to kill Paul, killed Alex by mistake at the instruction of Leanne. That's his testimony. Paglianti testifies that Salerno told him that Leanne had told him about money in a safe deposit box and real estate that he would receive that Salerno was going to receive for, quote, taking care of Paul and giving him, quote, a major beating. That's what he said. They said they discussed also Paglianti and Salerno discussed planning drugs on Paul and setting him up to get arrested and had changed the plan to wanting Paul killed instead of just beaten at some point. So every time this plan would get a new fold, the Salerno guy would just tell this Paglianti

guy about it. Hey, remember that thing I'm dealing with? What are you doing? Stop talking to people. That's a goddamn mouth. Jesus Christ. Paglianti also testifies that he was present when Leanne told Salerno that she wanted Paul killed. So this isn't just going on.

This isn't hearsay from Paul. This is I was there discussed what Salerno would receive once Paul was killed. So then the deal, you know, the actual hit. They did this in front of people, gave Salerno a photograph of Paul and driving directions to three places in New York where Paul could be found, one of which was the gym, obviously. Paglianti also testified that Salerno told him that he paid Padgett the $3,000, which is backed up by what Padgett says, to get a minivan and go to New York. He said that Salerno would, quote, take care of Paul and then head back to Florida.

He also testified, Paglianti, that Salerno had not been at the gym in Florida for his usual workouts during the time of Alex's murder, that on his way back from Florida after the murder, Salerno called Paglianti and stated that everything had gone well and ridiculed on the phone Paget for being nervous, the other guy. He's like, this fucking pussy's nervous.

It was fine. We shot him in the fucking face. We threw the fucking gun in the river. This fucking pussy's face. Fucking whining. OVA doesn't know nothing. All this time, I want to give Alex a ton of credit for taking five rounds from a 38 to the face, chest, and neck. And walking into the gym.

Walking into the... That's unbelievable. That's fucking impressive intestinal fortitude, I would say. Jesus Christ. That is a... Tough and strong

does not describe that man. That is a fucking man. He had a spirit. That sucks that he's dead. Yeah. He might have been a good guy. Oh, Jesus. We need people like him.

Yeah, it was something. Shit that can take a nice gunshot to the face. Absolutely. A.38? You know what? On Long Island, too, he could have got together

with Buttafuoco's wife. And imagine the couple they would have been. The power couple of both being shot in the face on Long Island because of misguided affairs. To her credit, or to Alex's credit, she only got hit with a 22 i think yeah that's not still in the head you know what i think a couple of times i think it was a 38 also i think it was a 38 i think so that's fucking amazing 32 caliber i don't know why i thought that it was a revolver it was a revolver but whatever so so she took a few she took a few in the dome piece there so so she's being uh so he's ridiculing Padgett for being nervous.

Also, he testifies that during a conversation with Salerno the next day, Salerno told him that Padgett parked the minivan near the rear entrance to the gym. Salerno got out of the van, shouted, Hey, Paul, to the guy who exited the gym, and then shot the man three to five times in the neck, head, and chest area. And then Salerno got back in the minivan. They threw the gun out and basically told him everything that fucking happened. And telephone records corroborate that Salerno called Paglianti the day after the murder,

just like he said. Following his conversation with Salerno about Algieri's murder, Paglianti and Salerno went to the house of Frank Paglianti, who is Paglianti's father, old man Paglianti. Hey, we're going over to my dad's house. He's no, no, no. We have a Sunday dinner over there. So you got to come.

We're going over to old man Frank's house where they at this point, they get over to the house. They sit down. They feel fucking proud of themselves. They feel like big men. They're like, I've been watching fucking good fellows my whole life. And I just drove up to New York, did a hit and came back and i'm good and they get there and they sit down and they find out you didn't shoot paul stupid you shot the wrong fucking guy so oh shit now they

start to panic uh salerno at that point goes no no no it was the right guy it was the fucking truck it was the guy the description that's the right guy how big he was right uh yeah nope not there though uh not the right guy uh pageant ends up testifying here the you know the driver that on january 19th while he was at paglianti's office with paglianti salerno and frank paglianti salerno showed him a news article from the internet and said i got the wrong guy oh boy oh so uh pagliani testified that uh he that he had been present during a discussion after this between sal salerno they just talk in front of people and leanne in february or march of 2001 uh during which leanne called salerno a quote stupid bastard for shooting the wrong person and salerno responded that Leanne should have given him a better picture of Paul.

That's a fight I would have loved to watch. It's your fault, Leanne. You stupid bastard. You killed the wrong guy. You didn't give me the right picture, you dumb bitch. What the fuck is this? You're blaming me?

Get the fuck out of here. They drive the same fucking car. What are you talking about? You're giving me a fucking Polaroid. How am I supposed to know? Jesus Christ. It's from five fucking years ago what are you doing oh man so jesus christ that's amazing so uh oh man paul testifies in court yeah paul testifies

that leanne called him on the night of the murder to tell him that alex had been killed and that uh he he responded that the shooter uh basically that uh he told her they i bet the guy i bet they were looking for me not alex because he knows that alex is clean as fuck uh now uh according to paul leanne uh told him that she also thought that the murder was probably intended for him and that's when she started begging to move to florida what if it was me and the baby there oh my god. Where my fuck fest is at. Yeah, I got a fuck fest happening. So after they moved to Florida, Paul began working out at a gym there where Padgett was also working out.

And Padgett fucking recognized him. It was like, that's the guy from the picture. Yeah, this is fucking crazy. So after that, Padgett would monitor Paul's activity at Salerno's request. He would like spy on him and follow him around. And so then at this point, Salerno asked Paget whether he thought it was possible that maybe they could kill Paul at the gym in Florida. But Paget responded, it's probably not a good idea.

You know, that'll look really bad with the heat and all. And it's probably bad here. you know that'll look really bad with the heat and all and it's probably bad here uh so paget and a guy named michael zeltzer uh like seltzer with a z uh testified here that after the murder of algeria they overheard salerno say to a man in a nightclub who he was arguing with salerno got in an argument with a nightclub and he said quote i kill people if i get the right guy that's your trump card in a fucking argument in a nightclub stupid he said if i get the right guy that's your trump card and a fucking argument in a nightclub stupid he said if i get the right guy if i get the right guy so he's telling people what he's doing like a fucking moron he's not a very bright guy here so during the course of this trial there's like we said i

tons of witnesses like we've talked about they all say the same thing there's no physical evidence of leanne's involvement so the prosecution's only relying on the testimony of witnesses, which is all the people are saying the same thing. Leanne's mother's former partner now, they've broken up over this whole thing, Elizabeth, she testified also.

She claims that she and Leanne's mother had initially introduced Leanne and Salerno with the intention of providing protection to Leanne. Salerno with the intention of providing protection to Leanne. Salerno was told that if Paul ever came to Florida, Salerno should threaten him and break his legs. This account, she tried to make it so. But this opens it to the fact that Leanne was open to violent acts toward Paul. And this was somebody testifying who wasn't a fucking Guido.

An older lesbian has a lot of credibility. She does. She really does. She holds weight. toward paul and this was somebody testifying who wasn't a fucking guido right so this was a an older lesbian has a lot of credibility she does she really does i will if you get a 60 65 year old lesbian in front of me i'll believe anything she tells me i feel like she's really honest in the world you know she's jacked to be herself that's what i mean living her truth tell me what the world's like so i'm believing you so uh yeah so this this this kind of helped with the jury to show that she's capable of giving instruction of some kind here uh uh but uh she also said that uh basically she's like i'm not a criminal believe me this is what happened so uh leanne's case not looking great obviously uh but the defense their defense is everybody that you've put out in front

of us except for you know elizabeth is a criminal these are all criminals they're all admitted murderers and all this shit i don't understand why you're believing him there's still no physical evidence there's some discrepancies uh with uh descriptions of the drive and the car between salerno and pageant pageant but they both say they did the same thing. So they're trying to point out discrepancies between just little details of their memories of a drive. We took this exit, not that exit. Who gives a fuck? Who cares?

They said they shot the guy. That's the important point. Yeah, they're hanging on to that shit pretty tight. Yeah, yeah. Also, at the time, they didn't have a record of the car rental and shit like that they wanted leanne's attorney bruce barkett uh he he questioned why salerno killed the wrong guy

he says well you know if he wouldn't he know that uh he leanne would know that paul was off that night which she herself with paul himself said i lied to her and told her i was working so that ended that i don't know why the lawyer was still making that argument. There was still, they tried to say, Leanne wouldn't want her husband dead. It doesn't matter what everybody else says. The fact is, she didn't want him dead. So that's what we should be concentrating on. And the prosecution said, oh, no, she wanted his money.

She wanted the real estate. She wanted that house that's now in her name. She wanted all that cash. She wanted whatever else he fucking had and all that sort of thing she wanted paul out of the question out of the picture she wanted to start a whole new thing with salerno and and their new baby and all that and with a nice little nest egg to start out with wow what the fuck uh the prosecution uh believed that she started developing the plan and that's how they laid it out for the jury in july of 2000 which the phone records that's how they laid it out for the jury

in july of 2000 which the phone records that's when she first got together with salerno that's when everybody testifies they were there uh she says that she she the prosecutor frames it as a really dastardly plot from her sure the fuck is to go back there and pretend to be back together with him while she's really not only having an affair but plotting his murder with the man she's having an affair with that paints a bad picture this is terrifying it really is because it could happen to anybody any of any sex at any time yeah uh she said and her plan was to act like a grieving a grieving widow in order to a grieving a guido a guidette widow a grieving guido yes a guidetto

that's a that's a guidette widow a guidetto she's grieving she's greeting right now leave her alone that's a guidette who's grieving she's greeting right now it's okay leave her alone for a while leave her alone no don't show your dolphin head right now. It won't cheer her up. Normally I know that cheers her up, but no, no. It'll piss her off. It'll just make her mad. She said that it would be a little bit of time. She'd let some time go by and then she was going to move back down to Florida, take all her money with her kids,

move back down and have Salerno all to herself and everything is a nice life here. So the defense disputes the story, obviously. They maintain that Salerno went to new york in a fit of rage upon seeing leanne and riedel were back together she's back together with paul he freaked out his arrest his actions were not well planned he just that's why he shot the wrong person he just went up there in a fit of rage and just i'm gonna shoot that guy and just

shot him a long drive for a fit of rage and meanwhile for months he's asking people for credit cards and all that sort of shit. You get to North Carolina, you're like, you know, I'll just leave her. I'll just leave her. This is a long drive. Yeah. So they say that Leanne was oblivious to the whole plan. She had no fucking idea about any of it. The whole thing.

She's clueless here. So all you can do now is uh is go to the jury and uh the jury uh they uh they come back because it's two separate juries right so they're separate verdicts the salerno's jury comes back in four hours because he's admitting everything he did so they come back in four hours and they find him guilty yeah of first degree murder which is tough because they had second degree on the table too they too. They said, oh, no, first-degree. And we'll talk about sentencing. In Florida.

Yeah. In New York. In Florida here. This is in New York, the sentencing. So we'll talk about his sentencing in a minute. Leanne, though, it took longer. They took four days to reach a decision with her because it's more complicated. Because there's no, she's not admitting it.

Right. And there's no physical connection so uh her attorney thought that was a good sign and that everybody was going to be she's going to be acquitted yeah and then in four days the jury came back and said oh no guilty guilty fucker okay they're both found guilty of a count of one count of murder in the first degree she got first also first count of murder in the second degree and one count of conspiracy in the second degree so this is messy uh at sentencing the uh the uh the sister of alex gets to testify here and says quote our brother is gone and the hole in our hearts will never be filled because of leanne's greed and hatred of her husband even though leanne riedel wasn't there on the night of January 17,

2001, she just as well might have been. Leanne Riedel is just as guilty as Ralph Salerno. That's their plea to the jury, too. Over a guy named Ralph. Ralph. So, for Ralph, he gets you, sir,

may fuck off hard. Life with no parole. Oh, my shit. Done. Fucking cashed out. Oh, boy. Which is rough for a guy who kind of cracked the whole case open for them. Gave everything.

Gave up everybody. He didn't make a deal very well. No. He's not a good wheeler and dealer, this Ralph. I feel like he could have. He could have. Sammy the Bull killed 19 people and did like four fucking years. This guy shot one fucking guido in a parking lot

and he's got life without parole because he doesn't know how to make a deal uh he shot an innocent person he shot gangsters but still now uh for leanne uh she did not address the court she did not make a statement even though it's her opportunity to her attorney bruce barkett asked the judge and this is ballsy asked the judge to quote tread lightly because he's about to send a wrongly convicted person to prison which is not what you say to the judge you don't tell a judge to tread lightly they'll go i'll tread over the fuck i want to tread that's why i have a gavel and a robe and a guy in a uniform that can drag you to jail if i fucking feel like it you asshole how about you with no charge contempt you know what that means i don't like you so you're gonna

sit in jail till i say it's time to come out how about i'm paid by the taxpayers to be here motherfucker you're paid by her or you're appointed you're probably either way either way i get to tell you what to how to tread you son of a bitch yeah so jeez who the fuck do you think you are so the judge elected to this fucking god or appointed someone said i should be here you who knows the judge has something to say here the judge says to riedel before to leanne before sentencing quote when is this charade going to end do you know how many a family families were affected by uh affected here how many lives were affected here you ma'am may fuck off sentences heard to uh 25 years to life for each murder conviction and eight and one-third to 25 years for the conspiracy conviction

all concurrent though okay all concurrent not consecutive uh the prosecution did not ask for life without parole for leanne because they didn't think they would get it. I think they would have. The funny thing is they didn't even give any comment on it. They thought it was unusual because the judge stated that he would have happily given a longer sentence to Leanne had the prosecution

asked for it. Happily, he said. So in that case, is he not allowed to convict? They don't want to step on their toes if it's something like that and go above and beyond because then it seems like the judge is taking you can't go rogue and you can it happens that would have been amazing but it's usually like fucking 35 million years 30 you're going forever yeah life without parole and they could have given her that that would have been amazing no fucking problem here uh the prosecutor after the after the trial said quote justice has been served here your honor she because of her own greed and evil heart wanted her husband dead the defendant is the most

self-absorbed defendant i have ever prosecuted 58 to life 50 pretty much yeah yeah but concurrent and uh yeah she'll still she's gonna be in while. 25. And so she's got to do 25 before even possible for parole. I believe so, yeah. But then she's got to do another 25 for the other one before possible for parole. Well, they're concurrent. So it's all together.

Oh, it's all. Yeah, consecutive would be laid out like a fucking train track. That's fucked up. Yeah, it's concurrent. So she can get out in 25 years. That's crazy. Whereas he ain't going nowhere.

She got off so light. She did get off light. It could have been worse here. Yeah. So, yeah, the prosecutor said the most self-absorbed defendant I've ever prosecuted. For the most self-absorbed you've ever prosecuted, you should have asked for more, motherfucker. Yeah, I think they didn't want to push to luck if they didn't think they'd get it. I think they were just going like, look, we're lucky to be getting a conviction out of this

because there's not a lot of whatever. And it's like, oh, no, no, we hate her too no everyone hates her don't worry we could have done anything you wanted uh bruce barkett leanne's attorney said afterwards quote i respect the jury system i respect the jury process i just don't agree with the verdict uh as as riedel was left as leanne was led out of the courtroom, somebody in the court yelled, quote, Leanne, we love you. You'll be home soon, sweetheart. And one of Algeria's relatives yelled, forget it, lady, or something. Forget it.

And then something indecipherable. Something New York Italian. Forget about it. She ain't going nowhere. You know what I mean? Well, this is fucking amazing, by by the way that's not far off uh outside the courtroom salvatore algeri his father alex's father he said that he didn't mind 25 years to life he's this is fucking amazing this is this is the most italian fucking way to

state of your son is murdered and how they say the murder he goes he says and I quote they chose to give her a lesser sentence good for her that's what he said justice has been done she's gonna serve her time that's good with us they chose to give her a lesson hey good for her fuck her good for her she's still in the fucking can

justice is served that's what he said he gave the fucking thing on his arm and he walked off fuck out of here so jesus christ that's fantastic obviously there's appeals good for her that's the best we've never heard that before she got a list of sentence good for her good for her so uh appeals obviously there's a shitload of appeals to this her first appeals we'll buzz through them quick because they're pretty weak. Her first appeals are that the prosecution failed to establish her guilt beyond a reasonable doubt that the trial court erred in allowing evidence in hearsay statements that had not been made in furtherance of the conspiracy, which they were.

It was somebody saying that they they were there while they were talking. And she said that. Yeah. It was somebody saying that they were there while they were talking, and she said this. So inflammatory photographs and not declaring a mistrial, which is the crime scene photographs of a fucking guy shot in the face. That's inflammatory? A dude that's dead? They always do.

How many times have we had where they say that? That's always one of their things. in not declaring a mistrial when the prosecutor elicited irrelevant and bolstering testimony, and in permitting the prosecutor to attack defense counsel in her summation, and that the erroneous admission into evidence of statements made by Salerno violated her constitutional rights to confront the witness against her and to a fair trial, and the prosecutor elicited evidence that violated her Sixth Amendment right to counsel, which is basically the same thing as the other one in different words. So on March 13th, 2007, the appellate court affirmed the conviction, finding that the evidence was legally sufficient. Petitioners convention, a contention that the trial court aired in admitting testimony of Padgett regarding hearsay was bullshit.

Any error in the trial court's admission into evidence of co-conspirator statements through Padgett or Zeltser was harmless, since the other evidence against her was overwhelming and there was no significant probability that the jury would have acquitted her had the statements been excluded. Because they were saying shit that five other people said. Everyone heard you talk about it. Everything was corroborated. Yeah, when five different people go, yeah, I wasn't't even there but you said the same thing in front of me right it holds up that's the problem here they said the petitioners remaining contentions are without merit so appeals are gone on a state level so she takes it federal for some habeas

shit here uh uh she uh this is silly too she has a uh uh but has a she says that they say that she exhausted her claim regarding the admission of hearsay sentence. Basically, everything she says is all horseshit. It's all horseshit. And they agree with her. It's pretty much the same the same things. She argues that in advance of Padgett's testimony, the trial court invited defense counsel to make applications with regard to the admissibility of statements, which is what they did. This isn't what she claimed.

This is what the court's saying. They said they could have objected, and you didn't object. He contended, quote, not everything that Salerno says during the time the conspiracy is operative is a statement in furtherance of the conspiracy. It has to be made in furtherance of it. Just because he utters word and makes factual claims and there's a conspiracy doesn't mean that the two go together uh that's what they argued in

court and they said sure it does fuck you and that's what ended up happening here they're trying to say that just because we said it and it happened doesn't mean we did it is that what they're trying to say yeah it's really so you don't say so uh yeah she also claims that the right of confrontation guaranteed by her fifth sixth sixth and 14th amendments were also violated by the court rulings permitting the receipt of certain testimonial evidence. She says that she asserts that witnesses were permitted to testify as to prejudicial hearsay statements. Again, she's saying that shit. Conclusion is they say the writ of habeas corpus is denied and petition is dismissed and it's entirely and enjoy your 25 to life okay because that's the

end of the fucking road for your appeals yeah your habeas got taken away unless there's some new evidence that comes out that you know some other person says i hired him and she's gonna do 25 to life i had his baby too god i hope she stays in for so much more than 25 no shit now jesus christ now later on uh zachary the third child salerno's kid was living with leanne's sister in long island uh and leanne's uh son nicholas the paul's kid yeah uh is living with paul and no longer has had any contact with his mother for a while there. Paul gave an interview on Larry King Live, which is interesting. It's interesting. He said Leanne wanted him dead because she knew he would never stop fighting for her son, for their son.

There's also crack and money and all sorts of other shit involved. But it's just easier to say that on Larry King. There's a lot of motives, Paul. There's a lot of motives, Paul. You're not that great of a dude. Yeah, let's talk about this. Relax. I was just too good of a father.

That was the problem. I was just too good. They asked him if he felt lucky that he avoided being killed, and he said, quote, I don't feel lucky because I would have took that walk. I would have never asked him to do it, and whatever happened, that's a burden I'll always carry. So he feels bad. I would have took that walk.

I would have took that walk. Oh, boy. And Alex didn't deserve it. Right. So he says that his life is now going better. His focus is raising his son. He says, quote, I feel like I have a severe obligation to be a good man and to do the right thing by my son because I feel like I owe that to Alex.

Yeah. So that makes sense. Let me ask you something. When was the last time you smoked crack? When's the last time you smoked crack? 15. 15 minutes ago, Larry. You want some?

So King also asked how he felt about leanne yeah and paul said that he didn't hate her but he was confused by uh that he felt like he was confused and that he felt like she definitely deserved the prison sentence how how do you not hate that person i don't know i would hate her she tried to fucking murder you bro it makes you sound so much better to the chicks when you go on TV and go, you know what? I don't hate her. I'm just confused about why a nice guy like me would a gym. And did I mention I got a lot of money in the bank? And that's why a woman wouldn't want me.

By the way, my number, here's my. Stands up out of the chair. Look at this dolphin, Larry. Let me look at his dolphin head while you're looking at my abs. Because you can see them both in the same shot. Get close. Salerno ended up in Attica, which is not where you want to be. Leanne is at Bedford Hills Correctional Facility, and all of her appeals, like we said, were shit.

Now, I found comments. I look through all these news stories. I always look through comments because sometimes as we found a family we'll get people involved in the case comment so i said not only do i search these fucking articles and i fucking sift the comments and read what idiots have to say so i found comments by a kid who is claiming to be her son uh chris armanini uh her first son that's the name that's the name uh uh claiming to be her son um this is uh uh from december 16 2004 about a story about her being convicted and it says quote you people make me laugh why is it that when someone who

comes forward who actually knows something about this you remove their comment what are you scared um what are you scared that the truth is going to be exposed and it will make you look bad? How about you try to add some truth to this article? You seem to forget to add that the prosecution's number one witness, in parentheses, liar, was a man named Michael Paglianti, who was arrested for buying 495 pounds of marijuana from the DEA. He was also friends with the killer Ralph Salerno. Well, yeah, that's how he was there.

It's obvious that Salerno did it out of jealousy because Leanne, my mom, was getting back with Paul. But all that aside, Michael was faced with up to 40 years in prison and $2.5 million in fines

because he lied and made up, in capital letters, a false story about how he was present at the time of the supposed plot. He served zero time in prison and has paid $0 in fines. So he got himself out of trouble and put an innocent person

who uh by the way he only met two times add that some truth capital letters there are way more factors that everybody seems to be missing chris jesus you gotta calm down man yeah man you gotta stop sorry mom so much yeah i mean while those are fine points and all that that they do get people that you know they do twist people's arms to testify and all that kind of shit at the same time your mom still is a shit bag it still all happened that's the problem so i feel bad i mean obviously nobody wants their mom to be whatever and he was probably like 20 years old he's a young kid at this point i mean i get it he's like 15 at this point is he mad like a 15 year old kid. I mean, is he mad that his mom's not in his life now?

I mean, yeah. If you're 15, your mom's in prison and out of your life and you're upset and angry. And then people are on the Internet and on fucking articles talking about your mom. And he was going to be living in Florida. Now he's living on Long Island. That's what I'm saying. So, yeah, that's, you know, he had a house before. Now he's staying with his fucking aunt.

Yeah. And now another person named Carrie Mitchell put comments on here on March 18th, 2004. Quote, you know what? You should be ashamed of yourself. Leanne Riedel is innocent of all charges. I know that for a fact! Exclamation point. Okay.

Okay. I'm listening, Carrie. Let's go. Let's hear what you got sweetheart but i don't know i don't know uh a lot of the uh backstory information because there's a lot of court documents here that i got a ton of this shit out of but a lot of the backstory information of their early uh our younger lives and how they grew up and shit came from a book called killing the wrong man by anita murdoch so i just want to give some credit for getting some shit out of a book.

Way to go, Anita. So, yeah, it was very short. It was like a 35-page book. It's like a pamphlet. Yeah. It's like a pamphlet. But I paid $3 for it, and I got some good backstory. $3 worth of information.

It was well worth it. The $3 was well spent. So good job, Anita. Anita, you should be marketing that to dentists and get those little novels. Yeah. Because you can read this. This is a great little waiting waiting room story this is amazing so uh that is amityville new york uh they're in prison that's how it goes paul is still confused

that's a much better movie than the horror way better of the fucking movie this is a great movie the story is not that big it's just not a huge popular story you don't it was on like i said it was a flash during the appeals with like he was on cnn and stuff like that but you know what it is it was fucking muddled over by september 11th well this is this was 2000 yeah that's what happened in 2001 yeah but then the story still it would you think it would be like one of these stories that they would have made a movie out of more than one book i mean you could smell the buildings burning from where the dude was murdered it's true it's too close but it was before that though he got killed in january 2001 yeah but i mean the thing wasn't over until uh after not no it's true you know what i mean

maybe i mean who the fuck knows i don't know i mean because i guess if the fbi was involved if it's interstate maybe they were more busy with other shit rather than just killing the squeeto gym owners it's it's too close and and too small in comparison we feel terrible for alex algeria this is one of the worst we've ever felt for a person because they literally had nothing to do with shit nothing normally it's like well fuck you married that person not that that's an excuse but they they have something to do with the person yeah where it's like oh well they live together and then obviously the worst thing he did was going to a business agreement yeah with a guy who smoked crack right this is like if i go out to my jeep tonight and get shot in the

face yeah because sarah's trying to get you killed maybe yeah that'd be really we drive totally opposite cars i'm like a foot taller than you we don't look alike at all i'm much fatter it'd be the worst hit ever you fucked everything up i'm surely not taking 538 shots to the face no and coming back in my house probably not so that's amityville everybody that is the reedles and uh that's a crazy fucking story really i've been sitting on this story again this is another one i kind of been sitting on for a little while because it's just wacky and uh so that is amityville that's that's a crazy one man you like that story, you know what you can do. Get on whatever provider you use, whether it be iTunes, Spotify, Stitcher, whatever you do.

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