Small Town Murder - #107 - Not Regulation Behavior in Burlingame, California - Part 2

Episode Date: February 21, 2019

This week, in Burlingame, California, we return for part 2 of the story of a man with a long history of perverted, violent, and downright disturbing behavior works his way through the world, leaving behind a trail of mutilation, and death. With seemingly no remorse, or end in sight, he did the unspeakable to just about anyone he encountered. The worst part of it is how much he seems to enjoy every bit of pain he causes. This one was just too much atrocity to fit into one show. Part 2 of 2!!*******Be warned. This one is extremely graphic *******Along the way, we find out that people dress their pets up, and take them on parade, that a disturbing childhood often leads to a disturbing adult life, and that you shouldn't be pen pals with a man who killed his last pen pal!Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman New episodes every Thursday! Donate at: patreon.com/crimeinsports or go to paypal.com & use our email: [e-mail] Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder & Crime In Sports! Follow us on... twitter.com/@murdersmall facebook.com/smalltownpod instagram.com/smalltownmurder Also, check out James & Jimmie's other show, Crime In Sports! On iTunes, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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We're cheap fucks. We stretch it. We do. We stretch it. We stretch it thin. So, yeah, we have... This is just insanity. We should give the disclaimer just in case for some reason.

I don't know if it's somebody's first episode. I don't know why you'd listen to a part two, but a disclaimer. This is a comedy podcast. This is despite the horrors that are going to go on within. And part two is just as brutal as part one, maybe more so, uh, less kid stuff. So that's good. But, uh, otherwise, yeah, it's, uh, it's, it's a bad, it's, it's bad, but you know what? We're comedians.

We're going to make jokes. Well, we make jokes at the expense of the small towns. Okay. We make jokes at the expense of murderers. Because what the hell else are we supposed to do about it? As comedians sitting in a basement in Phoenix, it's very difficult to do anything other than make jokes. But what we do try to do to avoid being dicks is we try not to make fun of the victims or the victims families because we're assholes but we're not scumbags there now you've had that's how it works that's

that's how this works if that sounds good to you we're gonna have a great time you're gonna hear horrible things that we're gonna try to make a little easier to digest and uh because i mean if you want if you don't think comedy and true crime and comedy go together at all, that's understandable. It's fine. There's plenty of very serious podcasts out there where they'll talk about, and he cut her head off. That's fine. You want to hear that?

Great. He severed the penis. He severed the penis. There's no joke there? Really? Yeah. It's hard not to. So what we're saying is that's out there for you.

But if you think that true crime and comedy might be fun, then you're our kind of people, damn it. And we're going to have a good time. And I think it's time for you to shout. Yes. From, I don't care where you are, the rooftops, your car in traffic. Muffling into a pillow. I don't care.

If you're in a conservative office, go into the bathroom. Say it into your armpit there. Very quietly. Ball with toilet paper. That's all. Say, shut up. And give me murder. That's right, baby.

Let's do this. Yes. Let's go on a trip. Yeah. On a trip. We don't really have to go anywhere. We're on a trip already. Say, shut up. And give me murder. That's right, baby. Let's do this. Yes. Let's go on a trip. Yeah. On a trip? We don't really have to go anywhere. We're on a trip already. We're already here.

We're still here. Yeah. We just camping out in a hotel for the last- Whole damn week here. We're hunkered down in a shitty motel. I'm not leaving. Outside of Burlingame. I don't have any closure.

I think he's still on the loose. I'm staying right the fuck here. He's still on the loose. He's still in the mix. So where are we left off here? We left off with, I'll give you kind of the last two minutes of the last show to get you up to speed. It's Philip Carl Jablonski. We followed his whole life, his absolutely contested childhood, a bad childhood either way.

Monstrous. Contested as to the degree of the childhood. That's a good one. That's the way we could put it. He went to Vietnam, came back a different person according to his wife at the childhood That's the way we could put it He went to Vietnam Came back a different person According to his wife at the time He changed, Philip

He changed Philip, what's with all this gun, man? Abused his wife horribly Has a bit of a sexual sadist Likes to inflict pain and fear upon people Women only, really She likes it, whatever But but she doesn't like it. She doesn't like it.

No one's asking for any kind of foul play here. Second, he ends up killing a wife, obviously going on to a spree of rapes and prison, and through pen pal relationships, he met another wife, who he then obviously ended up killing, course later on it's the whole thing is crazy he's he killed everybody he came in contact with crazy he's in and out of prison like yeah and yeah he's on a he's on a bit of a he just got out of prison and he's mad that he can't go to burlingame to live with his prison wife that he met through the pen pal program in prison so he is uh he's upset about that and her mother ava and her mother ava he's upset about that. And her mother, Ava. And her mother, Ava. He's upset about that. He has to stay in Indio.

And he's kind of going back and forth. And he's enrolled in the community college, taking an automotive class. Right. Seething. And back and forth to, not Burlington, but to Sacramento. Sacramento. Right. To visit his friend to get a driver's license and a 65 Ford Fairlane.

Right. Like a cool guy. So where we left off with was around April 18th. He had bought a gun from a classmate. What year? April 18th, 1991. Got it. He bought a gun from a classmate. Lawrence is his last name. It's a

RG-14 revolver, and he bought bullets from him. Obviously, he's a convicted felon a couple times over and cannot have guns of any kind. And that's a.22on a couple times over and cannot have guns of any kind. That's a.22 long rifle. Yeah,.22 long rifle. So that makes a lot of sense because that was his jam.

That's his game, baby. That's his jam, as we know from the El Paso case. He takes, quote, target practice on women with this gun. That's his Jordan fadeaway. Yeah, that's him right there. Definitely. No, that's the Jordan hand up to the right to left hand around under the bath. Yeah, it's the Elijah on baseline fadeaway.

I believe is what we're going for there. So, yeah, not good. So apparently on April 22nd, he told his instructor that he wouldn't be in class the next day because he had a doctor's appointment, but he would be there the day after that. because he had a doctor's appointment, but he would be there the day after that. But they saw, and then the instructor saw him with another student later on that evening, on April 22nd, I guess he was giving her a ride home, a Fathima van who goes by Fanny Hansen.

Right. Who's a recently widowed mother of two, taking an automotive class to, I guess, learn how to do automotive things. Whatever, she's going to work at Grease Monkey. guess learn how to do automotive things work at grace monkey she's gonna do something so uh he i guess uh he returned for the evening class again on april 23rd even though he said he wasn't going to be there right but uh i'm sorry he did not return for that class right he did not return and neither did fanny hansen so we were looking for fanny hansen

so uh she was obviously there at the College of the Desert taking the automotive class. Taking an automotive class at the College of the Desert sounds depressing as fuck. That does not sound like an academic stronghold. It sounds sweaty. Yeah, it sounds sweaty and dirty and all in trailers. There's no buildings. There's not a foundation around this whole campus. What do they call that in school?

The modulars. Modulars? Yeah. I don't know. I went to school in New York, and it was, we don't have trailers. Really? No. Oh, Jesus.

They have buildings. They were built. The schools were there for 70 years. But I mean, when the school was being added onto during the summer or whatever, they'd set up modulars out there. Out here, I know they have separate. Some of them just have a couple of classes out there, or detention. I had in-school detention, and it was in one of those.

That makes sense. That is fucking depressing as shit. That's like one of those heat tents, I guess, that you torment a kid and put him in there. Like a sweat lodge? Yeah, a sweat lodge. That's what I was thinking. It feels shitty.

You feel like a real piece of shit. Treat you like a businessman who needs motivation. When you're already in trouble and you know it, and you have to sit there on time that is supposed supposed to be yours and you're staring at nothing and the teacher is just like making whatever teachers there. I feel like that's their punishment to like they fucked up somewhere and they're like you're going to sit in the in-school suspension thing. Either that or that's the most sadistic teacher and they know it.

They're like, no, no, give it to her. She likes it. She'll enjoy the show. She digs it. Trust me. She likes to sweat. She's she'll stay after the kids leave to to relish their spirits left behind in the chairs. It hurts.

It steals a little piece of you. It steals, it does. I fought the mayor's son and got stuck in that shit. And it was just the two of us sitting in this sweaty ass sweat lodge. And it really makes you feel like a piece of shit especially when this kid's family's successful i'm white trash i'm i'm meant to be you should have felt as i say you should have felt right at home like how's it feel asshole you like this how you like you know this is what my house feels like you're glad you made me take a swing at you

no shit so uh he philip, Carl, he goes by here. He was, he, Jablonski, gave her a ride home from class on the 22nd. That's not disputed. People, everyone knows that. Now, so she's missing. Finally, the next night, they actually find Fanny Hansen. Unfortunately, they find her body off the road in the desert outside of Indio, which is bleak country. We've discussed Indio and how terrible it is on the way from Phoenix to L.A.

It's an awful, awful place. You've already driven so far. And when you get to Indio, you go, is this the outskirts? Oh, shit. Does that say Indio? This is the desert, man. This is bleak. And outside of Indio is not a place where you want to be your final resting ground.

So that's bad. That's where one of the crime and sports guys rolled his truck. No, that was up by it was a different place different place steve howell truck landed on listen to crime and sports you bastards by the way it's a great story hell is wrong with you yeah crime and sports is the stories are just as crazy as anything we cover here so check that out but uh the cause of death here turns out that it was a gunshot wound, but that's not the extent of it. Obviously, that's not the whole pie here. Where's her nipple? Her body is mutilated.

Stab wounds perforate her neck, abdomen, vagina, and rectal area. Oh, no. He stabbed her all over the place. Her ears and nipples were amputated yeah and there were wounds to her eyes he went after her stab he went after her eyes with a knife in addition to it's so foreign to me this whole i can't imagine what the motivation for that is there's definitely something wrong there obviously i mean we know the motivation psychologically and everything obviously it's just on a personal level to be, you know.

Obviously, it's humiliation and degrading the person. Yeah, that's a sexual thing. But like if you talk to a person and just be like, you know, like anybody does, like, so, you know, why'd you do that? So let's say somebody switched jobs. You'd be like, hey, what made you want to do that instead of that? Like, what made you want to? Why the ear?

The nipple, though? The nipple's his thing. That's always what he's. But the ear now? Yeah. What's his thing? And obviously. Gouting out eyes. Yeah.

And the stab wounds to the private areas. That's bananas to me. Yeah. But that's like kind of standard behavior in a lot of these cases is, you know, it's a power thing. Mutilating the actual genitals of somebody is crazy, though. You think he likes women? No.

You know, that's what I mean. He really fucking hates them. He's got problems here. Well, it's not over, not over by the way there's more uh wounds to her eyes also they found uh carved into her back yeah they found the words i love jesus but with the word love replaced with a heart shape i heart i heart jesus on her back sticker on her back on her back he carved i heart jesus after he sexually they assume sexually assaulted her but her body is kind of messed up to tell they have to do testing at first uh after sexual assault and mutilation and a gunshot wound to end it all uh he then

decides that that's something he needs to do as well that is so much time with somebody that's what i mean he's he's spending time and he's enjoying this. He thinks about this. This is his fantasy. Who knows? Who knows how long he had her in his sights from class where he said that's the one. He picks people out. That's what these people do.

And this guy is especially horrific, as we found out. Now, April 24th, 1991. Let's go jump ahead a couple days here a robert galindo is a friend of carol spadani and eva eva peterson uh if you don't remember carol spadani is philip jablonski's wife right uh who he met in prison through the pen pal program and eva peterson is her mother who we promised to we promised to sodomize that he did he did which your future mother-in-law just a tip for you courting young gentlemen out there let's say you're out wooing a young lady uh don't threaten to sodomize her mom no that's a bad move it's not romantic you know you do do offer to help with the dishes do that do that uh offer to do things help out be nice around the

house be polite yeah do that sort of thing make yourself helpful don't offer to sodomize that's not an offer that's likely to be accepted number one and will probably cause some strife i would assume in the family no matter how many pornos you've seen they never they never actually want to do that wait for her to come over and and initiate that i would say if that's what you want make her beg for that yeah really have her be like yeah even the first time she brings it up be like aggressive like if she's not as aggressive as a porno assume it's not gonna happen and leave her alone so this guy uh Robert Galindo, he met Carol and Eva for coffee and donuts three times a week at a coffee shop, which seems like an excessive amount of meeting anybody. I don't know.

Robert seems to like one of these two. Well, okay, that's true. But, like, we're really good friends, you know, and we only meet twice a week. You know what I mean? So, they meet three times a week. We don't even have donuts. That's a lot. I don't see my kids three times a week.

I get my kids two days a week. Yeah, I'm the same. Sometimes one. Yeah, this is a very tight relationship. And how many donuts are these people eating, too? But then again, Philip called Carol, quote, anorexic. So maybe she's trying to put on a few pounds. I'm not sure.

That is not a joke toward anorexics. I'm not sure what that is. Maybe she's rebounding. Maybe she's trying to put on a few pounds. I'm not sure. That is not a joke toward anorexics. I'm not sure what that is. Maybe she's rebounding. Maybe she's rebounding. So anyway, they meet every three times a week. On April 24, 1991, he hadn't heard from them for a few days, which was odd for them. So he called and nobody answered. So he was like, who knows?

People go away. He's not their overseer. They could have gone out of town for two days. Who knows? They're not his ward. That's what I mean. So he's like, I don't know. They're not answering me.

Or maybe they just don't feel like hanging out with him. That's the other thing. Maybe they're ignoring him on purpose. I would think. Maybe he farted the last time they had donuts. They're like, let's not hang out with that guy anymore. And any guy who hangs out with women kind of knows when they're being blown off, too. Two days later, though, on April 26th, he drove to their house.

Their house is on Sanchez Street in Burlingame. Dirty kind. Oh, yeah. Exactly. It's a very dirty street. So he notices here that there are three or four days' worth of newspapers in the yard, which is not normal for them, and a couple of packages on the hood

of one of the two cars parked in the driveway. Now, number one, not normal. Number two, what kind of shitty UPS guy leaves packages on the fucking hood of a car in the driveway? Find a bush or something to put them behind. You put them on the hood of the car? Why don't you just put a sign that says, free shit?

Right. Don't know what's inside. Take it, Will. Yeah. Some stuff from Amazon. Enjoy. May as well write free on the box it's i mean put a sign that says free shit like people do what they put their crappy couch out by the curb free really gee thanks is it is it free my favorite is the one they put it

out there and then they put a price tag on it go fuck yourself it's on the curb it means so little to you that you have put it on the street well it's one's one of those things. Where do you put your garbage every week? Right. Right next to that garbage. So that's what you're selling. You're calling it garbage. I'm not paying you for your garbage. Therefore, I'm not paying for your goddamn couch.

No. So people just take that shit anyway. And also, you've slept on this. Your sweat's on it. You've done horrible things in the middle of the night on this thing. Yeah. How many farts? Are you going to charge me for this?

How much fart is trapped in there? How much? How much? Ass juice. How many times do I have to jump up and down on it before I accordion all the farts out? Push it all out. Have to beat this with a tennis racket to get rid of your family. Out a window and beat it with a stick like in the old days.

Some shit. It's fucking ridiculous though that's i don't understand i'd rather see it free than fucking a price tag i like when there's you i like when there's broken shit that's free that's my face it's all brought like a shelf and it's all broken and you're like really free what firewood it's fucking broken a tv with no screen i love that yeah the back is all gone you're like free thanks really how about just say garbage just say got garbage here that i can't fit in my can so hopefully someone will take it so i don't have to figure out what the fuck to do with it that's all it is so anyway yeah there's

the shitty ups man has uh left uh packages on the cars. Yeah. So this Robert goes around back and he sees a cage containing cats like their house cats there. The cats have no food or water and don't look well. They look like they could use food and water. They've been caged a minute. They've been caged and they haven't been drinking and eating and they look kind of raggedy. So that's a weird thing there. They take care of their animals. That's a strange strange deal so he thought something was wrong based on that the papers the deal they wouldn't leave and just leave their cats there with nobody watching them they

would ask him can you give the cats water so he decides at that point he's going to call the police okay so that's probably a good move he calls the police burlingame police officers arrive a frank pickens officer frank pickens arrives at the house at 7 20 a.m notes the newspapers and packages and he heard he hears dogs barking inside so all of these things are you know adding up to what's no one's home probably he knocks on the door at first because who knows maybe they've decided to go feral for a minute in the house and go all hoarders. TV up loud.

Nothing like that. So he knocks the door, no answer. So he searches around the house for signs of forced entry. Looks for broken windows and doors jimmied and shit like that, which is smart. Finds nothing. He later does discover that a side door to the garage was unlocked. He finds that later on, though.

He ends up, that's like the last place he checks. He enters the garage and saw that the door from the garage into the kitchen is open. It's one of those attached garages where you enter the house right from the garage. And so the door is open or it's unlocked? It's open. It's wide open between the garage and the kitchen, which is, in most houses.

That's bizarre. Most houses, yeah, you leave the smell of the garage and the exhaust and the tires out in the garage a lot of times that door shuts on its own too I've never seen a house that doesn't have a self closing and it's always like a heavy door that goes bang like it's got good seal

to it too usually that's where you put your weather stripping you're really concentrated on that one a new house has a fire code that that door has to be fireproof. It has to be an outside door. But this could have had an added-on garage, and oftentimes those don't have a good door. That's a fact. That's a good point also.

So he enters the garage and sees this, and he's entering with caution, obviously. He enters the garage and sees this, and he's entering with caution, obviously. He finds at the back of the garage, basically in the doorway, he finds the reason why the door is open. It's because the body of an elderly woman is lying there. It's Eva Peterson lying on her back on the floor with her feet facing toward the kitchen. There is a gag in her mouth, and we'll find out more about about that with what appeared to be a gunshot through the gag oh no yeah we'll find out she didn't this did not go slow or easy this didn't go easy or quick for for eva or for either of these women as we'll talk about here now uh another officer enters

the house and they find the body of a second woman uh who is carol and she's been gagged uh there now that the eva peterson the it was a towel that had been folded over and pushed into her mouth like not a gag across your mouth a gag in your mouth so he folded up a towel put it in there and there was a bullet hole like we said through the towel like through her mouth uh she was naked from the waist down her sweatshirt and bra had been pulled up above you know for obvious access uh to her breasts there was another bullet hole above her right breast and a stab wound in her neck that's not all there's also cuts around one of her nipples and around her right eye. And they said the cut to her nipple and her eye were both made by a knife.

Blood smears all over the kitchen floor show that she had been dragged there. She was killed somewhere else and dragged there. And left the door open for ventilation or some shit? I'm not sure. Ventilation or maybe so he could get back in and out. I'm not sure exactly.ilation or maybe so he could get back in and out. I'm not sure exactly what it was. He used her like a doorstop? Like, just left her there, which is very odd, but dragged her across the kitchen to leave her there.

Yeah, I don't know if it was like, I'll leave her here. That way I can come in and out quick, and then, you know, I'll pull her inside when I'm done. It's a very strange. We're going to really try to make sense of this guy, but drug her across the kitchen. The stab wound to her throat was said to be made while she was still alive. So that was a bloody one. The cause of death, though, was gunshot wounds to her head and chest, which was above her right. Stabbed and then shot.

Stabbed in the throat and also mutilated a lot and then shot in the mouth and in the right breast. Yeah. So brutal, brutal, brutal stuff here. Now, the second woman here is Carol Spadano, Spadani. Her body is found in the living room. She's dressed in a nightgown. Her nose and mouth are covered with duct tape wrapped so tightly that it would have cut off her breathing. Only thing is she could breathe.

They found out when they figured out what happened. They could breathe because she was stabbed in the throat, which actually created a functional tracheotomy. Wow. That actually was a tracheotomy, basically. So she was breathing through a hole in her throat. Did he do that on purpose, you think? Who knows?

Who knows? Wow. This sick fuck. I could see him doing that think about this he's been writing her for 10 since for over 10 years he's known her think about how long he's been crafting this in his head and now she rejected him also yeah oh my god i mean the it's it's insane uh how much he must have crafted this and in his head so it's it's possible this is uh i could see him screaming like you can't breathe yeah here with some horrible word

yep i can't even say it no not in this not in this context no oh that feels horrible it's fucking disgusting that's what i mean this whole thing is disgusting here just like popped a hole breathe through that oh yeah jesus yeah now you can breathe right that's so you can see that happening you could see her doing that or it was just he did that and then he was stabbing her like he stabbed his mother like she stabbed the mother too also she had a bullet wound behind her right ear and uh like you know mafia style execution and three stab uh stab wounds in her abdomen additionally there's more uh there's a lot more. This is brutal stuff, everybody. I didn't think I'd need to give the warning because we warned on the first episode.

I figured you'd think it would carry over. This one's graphic as shit. In case you haven't figured it out, this one's very, very graphic. I'm not sure if you maybe knew that from the rectal stab wounds from the last victim, but it's pretty brutal shit. So hang in there. It's almost done here with this part so there's uh uh also uh half of her right breast was sliced off like cut it in half uh exposing a silicone implant there oh like she but he left that there okay i didn't want to take that with him for some reason i don't know down to the implant though yeah he got he cut it off

like half off like just sliced it in half like a fucking cantaloupe. Unbelievable. Horrible. There's also stab wounds to her vagina as well. Also, basically, he stabbed her. He stabbed her anus so badly that her intestines were coming. No way. Yes.

From that. So this was an absolutely forceful brutal attack yeah uh very very concentrated my word uh yeah the cause of her death was a gunshot wound but the stab wounds and duct tape suffocation uh they put as contributing factors to her death now they've been in there for days so decomposition had begun to set in yeah so they examined the bodies, and they had to examine them further to figure out if sexual assault had occurred. Okay. So right away, they threw out suicide packs. They threw out murder-suicide, yeah, right away.

It was very unlikely. Thank God. Very, very unlikely. Robbery, probably not a motive. Probably not any sort of religious cult thing. They weren't waiting for a comet. This is definitely an intentional murder, I would say. So they found a journal on the kitchen table, showed a final entry date of April 23, 1991.

This is April 26th where they're talking, where they're looking through it. Envelopes addressed to the victims here were from philip carl jablonski uh on the table they were addressed to quote mrs carol jablonski which she's not going by that at this point uh yeah this there was a letter there found in the bedroom also now a computer check revealed that uh that philip carl jablonski received a traffic citation where? In Burlingame. Oh, the city is driving like an asshole.

On the afternoon of April 23rd for failing to yield right-of-way. Now, if you're somewhere you're not supposed to be, you're going to kill people, which is a very clandestine thing, you're on parole, you've specifically asked to go there and been told specifically you can go anywhere but there, as a matter of fact. Anywhere in California, not there. Put 50 miles around there, stay the fuck away, and you are driving like a fucking asshole? Are you kidding me?

That's brave. That's brave. Well, it's the son of Sam. Yeah. How about park better, stupid? And they would have never caught you. Just brazen. That's the point.

It's just a matter of... I get away with it for so long. It's the Ted Bundy thing with the tire iron that they talk about. He's like, you know, eventually you just forget stuff. You get a bit lazy. You just get lazy. Everything becomes routine. Right.

And I think, I don't know what it is, but he's a... Also, I think he's just a shitty driver. Yeah. He was in prison for 10 years. Right. That probably helps. Probably forgot some things. Who knows?

He's driving a fucking 65 Ford Fairlane. They implemented the green left-hand turn light now. Yeah knows he's driving a fucking 65 ford fairlane they implemented the left yeah the green left hand uh turn light now yeah he's probably what the fuck is that arrow about he's surprised people are turning right on red what is everybody doing so he's an idiot so uh yeah he's there computer check reveals that so that's places him in burlingame on the day that they assume this happened so that's a bad sign for him right there now uh the officer who initiated the stop observed no signs of intoxication or nervousness or anything suspicious just a regular guy got pulled over for failing to

yield light right away happens before happens all the time we don't know uh they obtained a uh a search warrant also for her for eva peterson's bank account and discovered a check for 200 written to jablonski signed by peterson okay they find this the signature on the check does not match peterson's signature on her signature card at the bank obviously and a teller at the bank in Millbrae, where the check was cashed, later identified Jablonski as the person who cashed the check on the afternoon of the 23rd. So that's the other thing, too. He's got, like, stolen checks and shit like that. That just brazen doesn't care.

Dumb. In addition to cashing the check, he also withdrew $500 from his own savings account, which is a really weird move. I'm going to rob him. I'm going to rob her rob her and then by the way i'm gonna take some legitimate cash out of my own i've been saving for a rainy day oh it's pouring and it's fucking cloudy yeah let me tell you something you hear lightning i think i heard some thunder i definitely did not hear lightning at least i heard the lightning i heard that my

ears are good i can hear it. Just whispering through the air. The electricity crackling. So April 25th, 1991. He's on the run. This is obviously this is he's on the run from Fannie Hansen murder and from Peterson and Spadani. So he's he takes off. from Peterson and Spadani. So he takes off.

He ends up in Wyoming, and he stops at a rest stop and brandishes a gun at a woman named Yvette Shelby. Now, she had pulled into the rest stop to do some paperwork for her job or whatever and let her dog out. She stopped there. She was able to escape, though.

I guess he lost his grip on the gun and dropped it somehow. So she drove to the next truck stop quickly where she called the police about this whole thing which is good so you figure he's she they called the police he's going to be caught now got him in a small town somewhere got him in wyoming somewhere they're gonna he's going to be suspicious what are you doing out here to look into it boom some dust stirs and you're caught there you go uh hey you're on parole in california look at you that's you're caught. There you go. Hey, you're on parole in California.

Look at you. You're not allowed to be in Wyoming. Look at that. What are you doing here? Right away. Parole violation right now. Police questioned him about the incident. They caught up with him.

But he claimed the gun, which he carried for protection. And in Wyoming, I mean, you never know when a bison is going to wander by and attack you. So you probably should have something. Sir, you need this gun back. Sir, why don't you take this? Oh, Jesus. So you need to keep a, you need this gun back. Sir, why don't you take this? Oh, Jesus, sir, you need to keep a better grip on this. Now, what would you do if a bison came charging?

Came a-charging. You're going to just drop it on the ground? You're going to be crushed and stampeded, boy. We've got a class here tomorrow at noon. They'll teach you all about the grips and proper trigger etiquette. Proper trigger etiquette. The proper trigger etiquette is pull it repeatedly

until it clicks. Until it stops moving or clicks. So, yeah. He claims that he carried the gun for protection and it fell out of his car when he got out.

He said, I just had it and it was on the floor and I kicked it with my foot and it just fell out. He said, I picked it up and she must have thought

I was pointing it at her or something, but I was just picking it up because it fell on the ground. i was that's all it was innocent thing i don't know what maybe she's paranoid shrug of the shoulders and the cop goes all right shrugged shoulders all right go on your merry way sir un-fucking-real not even check his id have a good one you probably gave him the old cat and salute and everything off the long brim happy sailing sir you just let him go his highway patrol hat wide everything. Off the long brim. Happy sailing, sir. He just let him go.

His highway patrol hat. The wide brim. Yeah. The one that goes all the way the fuck around. The weird one. The cat. The sergeant slaughter hat. With the braiding in the front.

Yeah. That's it right there. Just gave him a little salute and you be on your way, son. Godspeed. Wow. Let's him go. So let's him go, unfortunately, because unfortunately for a woman named Margie Rogers. No way.

This cop let him go. He. Wow. He he he ends up. It's a woman who works at a truck stop named Margie Rogers. She's an older lady. She's in her 60s. He he later on, we found out basically he shot her, then opened up her her blouse and pulled off her

bra to fondle her that was that was his motivation that's all it was he just wanted to fondle her uh the her body was found on april 27th at the gas station where she worked in grand county utah this is so she's he's moving states here uh her shirt had been open or her bra was lifted over there and she'd been shot twice in the head. Now, yeah, this is the law. The Grand County police said that his that her assailant appeared to be about to desecrate her body when he was interrupted. That's what they said. They said this looks like a case of somebody came. It's a truck stop.

So people are coming in and out. So somebody, desolate or not, somebody came by and he had to abandon ship here and didn't get to finish what he was doing. That is horrible. Because it sounds like it from his pattern, too. This is halfway done. Right. Now he's going to start carving and cutting pieces off and doing whatever the fuck he does. cutting pieces off and doing whatever the fuck he does.

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With a touch of humor. I'd just like to go ahead and say that if there's no band called Malevolent Deity, that is pretty great. A dash of sarcasm and just garnished a bit with a little bit of cursing. This mother****er lied. Like a liar. Like a liar. Like a liar. And if you're a weirdo like us and love to cozy up to a creepy tale of the paranormal, or you love to hop in the Wayback Machine and dissect the details of some of history's most notorious crimes,

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And our show is part true crime, part spooky, and part comedy. The stories we cover are well-researched. He claimed and confessed to officially killing up to 28 people. With a touch of humor, I'd just like to go ahead and say that if there's no band called Malevolent Deity, that is pretty great. a dash of sarcasm, and just garnished a bit with a little bit of cursing.

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said quote i'd prefer not to give any detail but it was nothing on the same scale as to what Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts. They said, the law officer said, I'd prefer not to give any detail, but it was nothing on the same scale as to what happened in California, because they're already connecting these now that they find the body. But they said he was interrupted, probably. Now, April 28th, 1991,

he is stopped by a traffic officer in Kansas and finally fucking arrested boy does he drive like a dick he drives like a dick he stopped for a traffic violation uh to which they end up finding out who he is and he is uh jailed on a parole violation for being in kansas do we have any idea where the fuck he's going or did he have any no clue he just had who i assume okay i assume i'm just gonna say it's probably florida he I assume, I'm just going to say, it's probably Florida. You know he's going to Florida.

That's where Ted Bundy was going on that same route. He's going to Florida. You know it. You can blend in in Florida. It's a new life. Everybody down there is a transplant. It's not, that's where he's going in my opinion probably. Florida or maybe he was going to take a, no, because why would he do that?

I was going to say, he's not going to Mexico. Right. Ted Bundy's the only person I've ever heard of that headed east yeah well if you start in the west you have nowhere else to go south north well south yeah but if he's in california they know of him yeah back then without the computer checks from state to state i think he's thinking get out of the state yeah and i got a better chance of not being checked on and shit like that but he's just trying to get as far away from the shit as he can. It is crazy that this shit could happen.

Oh, it did happen. Yeah. What's crazy is nobody knows who this guy is. That's weird. Why? Isn't it fucking? He's so much more vicious. It's my theory on him.

And he's vicious, more vicious than a lot of serial killers we've talked about by far, I think. Like, I mean, Richard Speck is extremely famous. And what he did did was horrible and brutal but i think this is way more way worse this is way worse like if this guy had a room full of imagine what he would have done speck didn't like speck killed a lot of people but he didn't do that on purpose yeah he was a dope that stumbled into a room with a bunch of people that's what i mean and he just had to kill them all to get rid of it imagine if jablonski had a bunch of college girls in the room he would have fucking there were there would have been nipples everywhere oh boy hanging from the ceiling it would have been bananas it would have been crazy so that's what i mean like this guy is a different kind of case and i think the

reason why this isn't as big is because he kills mainly people he knows okay now he did he kills his wives which makes him a different thing that people aren't they don't fear that right that's not fascinating they don't fear that they're like well i mean you should know that your husband's going to kill you i think that's what people think in their mind well obviously i mean yeah if your husband's going to kill you you should know that that many then no no but i mean it's the answer is no no it's but i think that's what it is whereas the the ted bundy the random you could be at the store and you never know. That's what fascinates people because it's the monster in the closet.

It's a different thing. But the Bundy thing is just sexy because it's so far. Well, I mean anybody like that. But this is just as sexy because this and way worse than- Or BTK is interesting because there's no connection. It just finds people at random. That's what scares people. This isn't mainstream and popular because it's so far like it's but what about dahmer dahmer's most

popular thing in the world you know what i mean that's worse he kept him in his fridge he made dick shrines i mean that guy that's just so personal they were talking about that shit on the news but the thing about dahmer that made it interesting that everyone because it was gay yeah oh my god it made it this then because it was gay. Oh, my God. Then it was, oh, isn't this crazy? And people got to look in on this gay lifestyle. The other part that's fascinating is that we're shocked by what Dahmer did, but he's just as fucking shocked as we are. That's the thing, yeah. You know what I mean?

This guy's not shocking. This guy is so matter-of-fact about it. He's so okay with who he is. Like, I hate who I am. I'm a decent person. I don't do anything to anybody. I try my best to, you know. Never cut a nipple off?

Never cut a nipple off. I try my best to be a decent person. And I despise myself. I can't imagine feeling this fine with myself. Loving himself. Loving himself. To the point of destroying any other being that doesn't approve of you. How dare you not approve of me?

Wait till you hear how he writes about it, too. He's thrilled with it. I think that's what it is. I think that's why it's not famous, because that's terrifying to a normal person. It's terrifying to love yourself so much that you'll destroy everything and do it in such a matter-of-fact way

that it doesn't even, it's so cold. It doesn't matter to you. No, he doesn't matter. He talks about it like he is, like you'll hear, like if you listen to, read Freeway Rick Ross's book. You know, he's the drug dealer. He's just talking very matter-of-factly about, you know, then it was this many kilos and we upped it to this. Because he's not remorseful about that. He was just selling drugs to make money.

This guy talks about it the same exact way. It's the best way to put it the way like a normal person would talk about like that sort of crime or something like a gangster would talk about oh yeah then we we heisted this one place and it was funny like he talks about it like that like it's just like hey isn't this silly it's not personal to him except for exacting rage on somebody that's close to him whereas the other people like btk and and all the famous ones those ones are doing it it's personal to them in sexual gratification they can't come unless somebody's dying no absolutely this guy can come some other way oh yeah those guys can't but no well he likes the violence during sex and shit like that but he

the the yeah it's not the same as ted Bundy. This guy's got a totally different thing. And a lot of it too, later on is he decides to embrace the fact of who he is, of, you know, what everyone's calling him and try to make that his thing, try to make that his brand. And when he writes letters to people,

he purposely, as we'll find out when we read a couple purposely tries to freak them out. You can tell he's trying to scare them he gets off on that not only does he get to relay what he did and relive it but then he gets to get off on the fact that it's freaking out others whoever's reading this so it's like a shit yeah he's yeah he's jerking off everywhere on this shit the walls are covered in jizz and this guy's unbelievable so when he's arrested in kansas in his wallet police find a seven uh find 710 dollars which makes sense he took out 500 in cash to check and he might add some cash otherwise and a 90 check drawn from eva peterson's bank accounts oh and all of her credit cards in her

name under his wallet and that's his dismount that's his dismount he's on the run from that he probably thought that wouldn't raise red flags with the banks though if he took small amounts a little bit it's a little bit yeah which makes sense if you try to take out five grand they might look into that a little bit harder than if you grab 200 bucks and back then too you weren't like swiping a card they were like running it through that click clack machine making a carbon copy credit cards anybody could have run anything it'll take weeks for them to find me they'll never know absolutely if you're on the run, perfect. Go.

That was the preferred method was to use credit cards at that point. Because, yeah, it won't tie you to shit. Also, they find a small address book in his wallet. It contains the names, addresses, and dates of birth of both Eva Peterson and Carol Spadani. Beneath each name were the words, quote, death, April 23rd, 1991. By the way, the dates of the deaths of the murders hadn't been made public yet. No one knows that

shit but the police and apparently him running through states. You think that's pretty incriminating, right? It's definitely damning. It's pretty damning. That is nothing. Let's get into as brazen as his crimes were. The evidence that he stores and against him is even more brazen.

What does he got? He has like, it's fucking crazy. Let's get into it here. They search his car. They find a loaded.22 caliber revolver under his driver's seat. A box of.22 caliber cartridges in the ashtray. So he's got some more the uh bullets removed from eva peterson matched the bullets in the revolver not good not smart there uh the

bullet recovered from carol spadani's brain matched the rifling characteristics of the revolver but that bullet bullet was too damaged because 22s will bounce around it bounced around her head and uh was too damaged for a conclusive finding but i I'm going to go out on a limb here. I think it probably fucking matches. Just going to say... It's pretty close. I think I can say with all moral and legal certainties... Good enough. It's good enough.

I'm pretty sure it's close. Also, duct tape found in the vehicle was consistent with the duct tape used on Carol Spadani. I think that's a lot. That's a lot so far. I mean, it's ballistics. It's getting pretty big uh let's get more okay let's get this is like ridiculous amount of evidence like it's like an

snl sketch oh boy where you'd be like well there's a little bit oh look at this he's got remember the dave chappelle sketch where his people didn't think r kelly was guilty i don't care if it was a i need a tape with with her saying that's my that's from my robert always peeing on people his grandmother that's what he has here it's fucking insane so uh they find bullets removed from her body like we said that's all together the duct tape is is a match also also recovered from his car or homemade wire handcuffs and an electric taser which is a bad sign yeah so that's not good episode of forensic files about him, an episode of forensic files and a spec script for Dexter. Very odd.

He, he knew that was, that's his, they stole it from him. Isn't that amazing? Great story. Stole it from him. Incredible.

Weird, super weird. So, uh, he also, they found a knife sheath from which the knife was missing and uh the sheath tested positive for blood later on when tested oh there's more oh how there's even more that's nothing even if you didn't have all of that the rest of the stuff they find is enough evidence

that they could just all of that doesn't matter that's all like the best stuff they could take that put it in a box and throw it in the river and then piss in the river as it floats downstream and it wouldn't fucking matter it wouldn't fucking matter literally okay like a like an unwanted chinese baby girl just down the river just right in a box i don't know if that practice is still done but they did that for years for a long time off the side of a cliff with you that's it it's like an elderly eskimo off to sea with you so he uh a black leather belt also recovered now on the back of the belt the names uh carl jablonski carol i'm sorry carol jablonski 423 1991 burlingame california and Eva Peterson, 4-23-1991, Burlingame, California.

He's legitimately putting notches on his belt. Were written in ink. He didn't even write them in pencil so he could try to erase them real quick. Or so that it just falls off with the sweat. He wrote that shit in ink. Wow. To make sure that it stayed there and he knew. Jesus Christ, man.

A handwriting expert, by the way, determined that the belt was his handwriting, as was the address book found in his wallet. All matches his handwriting. So there's more. There's more. Oh, my God. By the way, you could take all this, put it in the box with the rest of the shit and the baby and push it down the river and keep pissing.

This is like an infomercial. You're jamming all these boxes you're like but wait but wait hey we're crazy around here we've offered you the frying pan we've offered you the non-stick frying pan we've offered you the sauce pot but now if you order right now, we're going to throw in this colander and all the utensils, a 48-pack of spatulas and nonstick kitchen equipment. All of this. Blend it with the stainless steel blades. But there's more. You're like, how?

How much stuff are you sending me for $20? I don't have enough room for this shit. I live in an apartment. So, not only that, blue pants found in a travel bag were stained with semen and human blood, matching the victims, obviously, and the semen matching, guess who? Him. Clearly not theirs. My semen and their blood were in the same room at the same time.

That's a bad fucking sign right there. Also, here we go. Throw the pants down the river too they'll float on their own probably also found in his vehicle was a tape recording in his voice in which he described in great detail his crimes he described arriving at carol's residence, killing them, sexually assaulting Eva Peterson. In the tape, he described shooting Spadani through the brain, tying duct tape around her mouth and nose and stabbing her in the throat. That's all you need. Slicing open her breast and, quote, stabbing her ass and pussy. He said that.

He said those exact words. He also described shooting Peterson, how much he liked fondling her breasts and sodomizing her. Because he did that also before he stabbed her. He liked having sexual intercourse and that he had failed attempts to, quote, take her eyes out. Had a hard time there. He also described stabbing her in the throat and in her stomach, ass and pussy. As he put it, quote, unquote, it was, quote, in her stomach, ass and pussy, as he put it, quote unquote, it was, quote, in her stomach, ass and pussy. After he killed the women, he described moving their bodies, making himself a meal.

You know, he had to eat. He's hungry. That's a lot of that's a lot of action. A lot of killing to kill and sexually assault people. Jesus showering. Nobody here to make me a sandwich. That's the problem. So he ate ate he showered

and then he went back and he was like i'm gonna go shoot uh eva peterson through the mouth again because i'm not sure she's quite dead yet so no way yeah he ate and showered left her there to die and then just was like let me just put one more through her brain just in case believable just in case that was that far later That was that far fucking later. Yeah. That was, he's just like, yeah, let me go back. Yeah, I mean, an hour. He ate a meal. He showered.

Oh, I'm shocked by that. Shuffled around the house and was like, let me just shoot her one more time. That's too much. Yeah. Like, I'm done with that. That's what he did. Now, also found in the car. There's more.

Wait, there's more. There's more. And free shipping. There's more, Jimmy. There's more. Lifetime warranty is what this is right here. The belt found in the car after he was arrested, which had Peterson and Spadani's dames and death dates, also had one thing else on there. Fatima N. Hanson, 42291.

Oh, no. And Palm Desert written under there. So he put that under there. Her military identification was also found in this letter. Oh, what a dick. Yeah. He also kept that as a souvenir. On the same tape in which he described the Peterson-Spadani murders, he also described in graphic detail his sexual assault upon and murder and mutilation of Fannie Hansen, Fatima Vand.

Is that for him to listen to later? That's for him to make sure he can't well he doesn't want to forget anything that's what i mean and also the more evidence he has that's the more power he has over you're not catching me and i have all this i really believe that's what it is i'm not sure that he's not getting pulled over on purpose i'm not positive that he's not getting pulled over just to get out of it and get the fuck off on that shit that he got one over tug to it again going down the road i'm not i would not put that past yeah because how many times do you get pulled over a year i've been

pulled over once in my life and it wasn't even for a traffic i get pulled over it was a first yeah that's true you drive like an asshole. But twice in two days. No, never. In separate states. Never. No, no. That's what I mean. Like that.

I don't think I haven't been pulled over in probably 10 years. And then Burlingame, too. Yeah. I mean, that's the other thing. In a week, he's been pulled over three times. He's had three different police interactions in a week. That has to be on purpose. I feel like.

I mean, I don't know. But it's reckless to keep all that on you and especially let's say after the wyoming incident wouldn't you dump all that shit and be like holy shit that was really close if this guy searched through my car i'd be fucked and i have all this evidence right let me throw all of this in a box in the river you know and dump all this shit bury it in the woods or something yeah just in case I get pulled over again. Him? Nope. Gets pulled over the next day. Wouldn't you be so careful?

Nope. So I really believe that. And this is post Bundy. You can't be arrested somewhere and just be like, I don't have a name. You know, this is now this is the 90s. This is 91, which we still don't have. You know, great. But there's computers.

There are actual computers now on the same tape. Like I said said he describes that uh describes sexual assault and murder and mutilation uh the funny thing is here uh uh they said that uh uh later on he also describes the the woman he was going to attack but dropped his gun yeah and uh i guess the prosecution later on would play the tape found in the car, which he described seeing a woman and child at a rest stop. And the woman was the woman, I guess, wasn't the Shelby woman. So this was another woman he had in his sights because Shelby didn't have a child with her. This woman had a child.

So that was not even something he documented in his tape. But he almost went after another woman. He expressed the desire to rape and kill this woman who had her child in front of her child uh uh but yeah so that's that's so that's what he was doing he was just christ he's a he was in a complete animalistic fucking berserker kill everything go from state to state in a killing spree yeah we don't see this that often over the course of this many days to just usually it's a day right it's a couple days we usually don't see like bundy had that

crazy night yeah like we don't see like any other times it was cooling off periods this is just kill kill kill kill kill he just it's like a it's like a fucking hobby for him almost it's it's weird he's like a coke head but with murder it's a sick game he's a sick son of a bitch so uh also uh the tape also narrated how he shot uh the elderly woman margie rogers at the truck stop opened up her brows and fondled her and did all of that shit so uh this is ridiculous he writes a letter later on where he describes uh he describes these crimes to a person that he just sent a letter to right that just started interacting with him through the pen pal program just now like yesterday no no no i mean like you write a letter to him yesterday

and now he's got things to say that are horrible oh yeah yeah right out right out right out the first letter is not going to be like hey how, how are you? The first letter is quote, before I murdered Eva and Carol, I was going to college. I met a female, and he uses the N word here, a female N word in repair class. I kidnapped her after class one night to take her out into a field. I had a

killing kit made up of a stun gun I used on the N word and a buck knife and wire handcuffs I used on her. I raped, sodomized, and tortured her and slit her on the side word and a buck knife and wire handcuffs. I were, I used on her. I raped, sodomized and tortured her and slit her on the side of her head and forehead and pull out. And they couldn't tell it's illegible and had necrophilia sex slash

sodomized her and severed her huge nipples. I carved I heart Jesus on her back and threw her on a trough, threw her with a trash pile. After I killed Aa and carol i murdered a elderly female store owner she was 65 years old and had the body that i enjoy to rape and sodomize uh her and sever her small nipples uh and uh then he also says about carol and and and her and her mother quote and the murder of my fourth wife and her mother my wife carol died a slow death i tortured her to death in front of her mother carol took the longest to die of all

my murder victims wow so he did that on purpose tortured her in front of her mother he hated her to to do and her mother too he did this to torture her in front of her mother which is fucking that's double yeah think about the sickness and while he's doing all this and he's going to torture you twice because he's going to make you see this and then torture you more right it's fucking insane this is like some nutty shit my christ yeah he has no redeeming qualities this guy what's so fucking ever none uh at least it was like ted bundy at least the judge was like you might have been a good lawyer someday like there's nothing. You could have been a politician. There's nothing redeeming about this fucking man. He's just a complete and utter piece of shit.

So he's interrogated, obviously, here by a, Jesus Christ, a detective barfnecht. No. His name is barfnecht. B-A-R-F-N-K-N. I'm sorry. B-A-R-F-K-N-E-C-H-T. That is barfnecked. Barfnecked.

That is terrible. That sounds like you're talking about how drunk you got. I got barfnecked last night, man. I mean, it was coming out of my neck. It was so bad. Barfnecked. The act of being shit-faced. It sounds like something horrible that the mafia does to somebody to get rid of them.

Let me tell you something. Petey, Petey, come here for a minute. Let me talk to you. Listen, Petey, we're going to get rid of this son of a bitch. You understand me? You know what he fucking did. I don't want him treated nicely. You know who he's talking to.

Yeah. You know who he's talking to. I want an example made of him. You understand me? No, I want a fucking example. Yeah. I want him to be found in the middle of the street, right where everybody knows. Everybody could see him. Right. And I want him to be barf-necked. Petey, barf a fucking example. I want him to be found in the middle of the street, right where everybody knows, everybody could see him.

And I want him to be barf-necked. Petey, barf-neck this son of a bitch. I'm not kidding. I'm not fucking around. Petey, you barf-neck him good or you're going to be the next one to be barf-necked. Boss, that's extreme. Did I fucking stutter?

What am I doing? I'm standing. Who's the guy who calls for the boff neckings that's what i'm gonna ask you right now one of us here is in charge of calling for boff neckings and one of us is in charge of what doing the boff neck that's right petey that's you that's you petey i'll tell you who to boff neck you fucking boff neck them you got a problem you'll be getting boff neck next i can see see it. In my head, I see a picture of somebody barf neck. It's terrible.

It's vile. It's like a garroting, but way worse. You know where they slit the bottom of your mouth and then they pull your tongue down? This is the opposite. They slit your throat and then pull your stomach out of your throat. That's a barf neck. Yeah, that's a barf neck. Give him a good barf necking.

No, I want to see everything. I want his pancreas on the outside of his shirt. That's what I'm telling you right now. Make sure you get it all. Get in there so deep. I want your shoulder to have his saliva on it. You ever make a Thanksgiving turkey? There's things in there you don't want, is what I'm saying.

Pull them out. there's things in there you don't want that's what i'm saying pull them out so i want his i want his butt cheeks to come inside his body because you pulled so hard that's what i'm talking about i want i think we needed that and then after that see if he wants this amazing set of kitchenware spatulas 29.95 free shipping lifetime warranty everything for your kitchen we'll throw in a tv hey that's right we'll throw it in we'll throw in a tv with your boff neck and so detective barf necked yeah and gee we needed that by the way after that after all the uh anal stabbings we really needed that and a uh a sheriff's department uh sergeant haslau yeah uh were there at the burlingame police department now before the interrogation they agreed uh the officers agreed that they would continue to question him even if

he invoked his miranda rights they said even if he says he doesn't want to talk we're gonna fucking keep bothering even if he says lawyer yeah just cover your ears and hum yeah i didn't hear lawyer well the other thing they do too and it's weird because there's you have to you ask for a lawyer but that doesn't mean that they'll stop talking to you that's it's a weird thing like even if you like in the wire they talk in the wire in the homicide book the david simon book they talk about how uh they will keep a lawyer out of the room because the basically like the lawyer will get there and the lawyer can't get there and go I want to see my client now right client has to

request so they'll keep the lawyer sitting out there until the client starts saying is my lawyer in the building and all that they try to keep the client and the lawyer separated for as long as possible the lawyer will be like shut the fuck up shut the fuck up you're that's it he's never saying another word now done talking so yeah the lawyer's you know intelligent and knows the law so that's how this shit works so they do that uh they said in order to obtain this evidence here they didn't care they wanted investigative leads they weren't worried about they weren't worried about what they got out of them and the legalities of it they were worried about do you have any fucking women tied up anywhere right there are there more bodies what the fuck they were more worried about that

yeah that's literally what they were more worried about than then if we were going to get evidence you know statements that could be impeached later they wanted the actual shit so uh yeah this deal the interrogation began at 10 30 a.m and. and lasted until 2.30 p.m. And this includes a lunch break and a refreshment break. So that sounds downright pleasant. Four hours with two breaks, one for lunch. That's not bad at all. You got a sandwich in you.

I mean, that's easier than recording. We don't even eat. No, we don't eat shit. So during the course of the interrogation, he invoked his right to counsel 11 times so 11 times he said not talking want my lawyer not they were just kept going the first four times he did it uh he tried to get his counsel uh came at the beginning of the interrogation the first time he he asked for it was in the uh in response to the statement quote we just want to uh we just want to go with you uh to flow and kind of let you tell us what you know what happened or what you've seen in the last 10 days or so and he responded quote i won't say anything until i see my lawyer to which the detective

responded that's obviously you're right but he also suggested maybe he wants to get something off his chest as that's the always that's the first thing yeah the first thing they try to appeal to the moral side you only want to tell somebody you want to come clean you don't want that sitting on you the whole time what would your mom think about if they start going into shit like that you believe in jesus yeah you can tell these guys don't know who they're dealing with because they're barking up the wrong fucking tree right away with that absolutely you almost have to you almost have to do the thing that like uh john douglas did which you've seen on the mind hunter show now but he actually did in the book where he has to be like with richard speck man how'd you fuck all those women yeah he had to do

it like get down on his level almost i believe with this guy because he's morally that's not doing shit so they said maybe you want to get something off off your chest he said uh jablonski said uh i want to talk to him before I say anything to the lawyer. So the policeman asked him if he knew Fatima Vann, and he declined to answer, Fannie Hansen. When Barfnecht asked him if he took classes with Fannie, he replied, I said I ain't going to say anything until I talk to a lawyer. Pretty clear. So the other detective replied, OK, we understand that. Look, you know, don't you feel like you could get this off your chest now?

Again, he said the same shit again. Have you seen my victims? Have you seen what's on my chest? Yeah. So he said, quote, not until I talk completely to a lawyer to see what he has to say. Yeah. Obviously, this guy doesn't give a shit. Right.

If that seeing that shit would give you nightmares oh my god imagine doing it yeah how to be able to live with yourself you have to be a fucking monster an absolute monster so uh he again invoked his right to counsel when after discussing the car trip from california to kansas barf necked again thought that he said hey maybe you want to get it off your chest he said guess what guess what he said i'd rather not say anything until i talk to a lawyer yeah again i understand that he said you know uh you've already said that on the tape and it's there so he's trying to tell him look we already know what you did it's on the tape you already did that shit uh he said i just uh i just you know i would think if i was in your position i'd certainly like to get some of this

stuff off my chest so that i'd feel a little bit better anyway. He said, maybe we can help you out. I got some people that would like to talk to you about some of your problems. So he's trying to make him, you know, you have problems. He's trying to make him, maybe you couldn't help it. You're a victim of the whole thing. Barfnecht is being a real dick here. He's going to fuck this up.

He's trying hard here. He needs to just high five his partner and be like, who cares what he has to say? I don't give a fuck what he has to say. Do you see that treasure trove of fucking evidence it's over i think they want to be the guys to come out and be like there's a woman and i've tied up in a closet somewhere and we're gonna go rescue her i don't know what the fuck or they honestly thought who knows how many more people could be out there there's a you know there's a trail probably so uh he said uh jablonski replied i'd rather wait to see my attorney and uh so then the detective sits down and he goes, well, let me tell you my problem.

OK, I'm from Burlingame. OK, and I need to know, you know, I need to know a few things that's going to help me out. And I think you owe it to the people. At least let the other people know what happened to the relatives. Don't you feel that way? And he said, quote, like I said, I'd rather just talk to a lawyer and see what he has to say before i say anything so he's got this down he's like a fucking uh gangster this guy when it comes to the lawyer i was in the bathroom i was in the bedroom i didn't see nothing i don't know what you're talking about neck i don't know anybody

who's buff neck what's buff neck and i don't know nothing about that pd i never met pd before i don't know pd so the next two times he invokes his right to counsel were in response by attempts of the officers to elicit from him a description of the pressure he said that had been building when he was living in Indio. He talked about it on the tape, that he had pressure building up inside him, which is what a lot of these serial killers,

the exact word they all use is pressure. And this was before that was a public thing that everybody knows the pressure building. He's not milking it. So legit. Oh, he's got problems. No one does this shit for fun.

Like you have to be driven to cut nipples off and shit. That's weird. And fucking twisted. And yeah, it's, it's too far. It's too much. It's a drop heavy.

Let's just, let's just say that that's outside of the realm of friendly. Yeah's too much. It's a drop heavy. Yeah. Let's just say that. That's outside of the realm of friendly. Yeah. You know what? I would not. I'd call that not neighborly.

Yeah. There's right neighborly, and then there's not. Yeah. So they said, you know, the detective said, you know how this thing works? You know that we can't use any of this stuff against you in a court of law. He's basically saying, you folks are right. Obviously, we're abusing that at this point. So he said, quote, this tape will never be heard by anybody except us.

Matter of fact, I'll turn the damn thing off because they were tape recording, obviously. He said, I'll turn the damn thing off if you want. I want to know what happened in my town. The relatives of these people want to know what happened in my town. I'd sure appreciate it if you'd help me out a little bit here. And he replied, well, I got to go stand trial, so I'd rather wait and talk to a lawyer. Sorry, your town doesn't mean shit to me. I'm going to be wrapped up for a while with these damn trials coming up. I'm going to be busy for the next. I got a pre-trial hearing.

Six months or so. I got bail. I got things to talk about. I have a feeling a psychiatrist is going to want to talk to me. One or two or three or four or five. So you could call those relatives and tell them to holler at me in the fall. Yeah, tell them to listen to the tape. That's what happened.

Fuck. It's awful, but I mean, that's, I don't know what you want from me. Hit rewind, motherfucker. You know what happened. Be kind, rewind. You just told me you know that's, I don't know what you want from me. Hit rewind, motherfucker. You know what happened. Be kind, rewind. You just told me you know what happened, so what are you asking me for? So finally, at the end of the, why do I automatically put myself in the position of the interrogator, person being interrogated all the time?

I don't know. In that scenario. I automatically put myself in that position, and I'm on their side somehow, and figuring out a way out of it. Telling them to get the fuck out of your face. Yeah, what the fuck is my problem? And even, obviously I want this guy to, bad things to happen, but automatically in my mind. In May of 1980, near Anaheim, California, Dorothy Jane Scott noticed her friend had an inflamed red wound on his arm and seemed unwell.

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If it's advantageous to me to see a doctor, maybe I will. But I'm going to talk to my fucking lawyer first. I'm not going to piss until my lawyer says it's a good idea to flush afterwards. Smart. Now, he just clammed up completely. to constant uh wanting constantly wanting his lawyer he also declined to answer a number of questions that were you know kind of not murder specifically did you murder this person or when or how uh that he declined to answer any questions about fatima van like we said he also would not describe the flashbacks he said he suffered as a result of uh service in vietnam because he had

said that before uh and he also uh he wouldn't answer Vietnam, because he had said that before. And he also wouldn't answer questions about whether he had been in Burlingame and when he had left California. He wouldn't answer anything. They were like, we know you were in Burlingame because you have a goddamn ticket. And he was just like, no, I don't know. I want to talk to my lawyer. So wouldn't answer shit. I'm impressed.

Yeah, he's a stone gangster when it comes to the interrogation room. If that was all he did, it'd be wonderful. Also, he failed to answer certain questions about Carol Spadani that they answered that were innocuous. Also, he refused to answer some questions about his criminal history, his family background, why he didn't

use a credit card, which he had in his possession, which belonged to Eva Peterson. They talked about the police stop in Wyoming. Also about the unspecified pressures he said he'd been experiencing in California. They were asking him whether something had set him off. And also they were asking him whether he wanted to get caught. Were you trying to get caught?

And so that's another thing. I mean, it's an interesting strategy to just be like, prove it. I don't know. I don't know any of this yeah i don't know what you're talking about oh that's pin it on me if you're gonna pin it on what you do it's yeah but it's an interesting strategy that's what gangsters do when you're that fucking when you're that caught it's ridiculous that would be like dom or walking into the room being like bodies and acid i don't know what you're talking about i'm i i like i really like the ladies as a matter of fact i'm a huge fan of the ridiculous i like the heterosexual sex is what really gets me going i gotta tell you i feel like it would have been a a big tell when he when he when he would use medical terms i like vagina i'm a i'm really into labia i like hot vaginas yeah that would have been a weird weird thing they're like

really gets me hot it's super super sexy i really like it do you now oh yeah very interesting oh yeah it's it's really pretty labia minor all that stuff it's really so uh he refused to answer uh questions or talk to them about uh his route deed taken from California to Kansas, his financial situation in general, his basic relationships with women, details of his prior offenses, his life after his release from prison. They even tried to talk to him about how shitty Indio was. Yeah, I know. That sucks, right? They know he doesn't like it, and no one likes Indio. Sorry you're down there, bud.

That's what it was. And so he wouldn't talk about anything. At one point, he acknowledged that he had, quote, done wrong in Burlingame and Indio. That's all he would do. And when they asked what was going to happen to him, he answered, I'm going back to prison for life or on death row. I don't know. So he knew he was fucked, but he just didn't want to make it easier, I guess. Now, Utah, they have a decision to make about the whole thing.

The rape at the truck stop. Yeah, the truck stop rape. They have a lot to think about there. First of all, he waived extradition back to California, by the way. He let them do it, huh? From Kansas, yeah. Now, no charges. From Kansas? Yeah. Get the fuck out of there. from kansas yeah that's what it is yeah let's get out of kansas here plus in kansas all they had was a parole violation so that would have whatever i mean the parole violation still puts you in leavenworth yeah well no i think they put bring you back to where you're paroled from i

don't even think i don't think you'd have any chance of ever staying in kansas jurisdiction over that you have nothing yeah so uh no charges end up being filed in Utah. And they talked to the prosecutor, and he said, quote, if there were any concern that he would escape justice if we didn't file, I would be prepared to do it right now. But he's in prison in California and will probably stay there whether I file charges or not. That's legal talk for, did you see how fucked he is? He's pretty fucked.

He had tapes and videos. He drew a big painting of a smiley face guy stabbing a woman in the ass it's a really tell you what if that falls through we'll follow up but yeah yeah we have we'll always have this no statute of limitations on what we got so if he slips through the cracks we'll go ahead and pick him up like danny zucco and and uh the chick from greece we'll always have that summer we'll always have that summer we'll always have this yeah that's it that's exactly what it is so uh yeah he he's gonna they're not gonna file anything after he was uh returned to california burlingame officials also considered uh letting grand county utah take the the case first they

said why don't we let Utah file charges because Utah is much more likely to carry out a death penalty than California. So they were like, we really want to kill this guy. Mormons versus liberals. We'll kill him. We want to kill this guy bad. We really want to kill him. And Utah, they enjoy killing people over there.

They're going to have a good time with it. Fascinating. Maybe we want to have him there. But in the end they said nah let's take them first let's do that uh california they said uh quote our in-house thoughts were that california hasn't executed anybody since 1967 in my opinion utah has the best probability you have executed people we have not that's okay i mean they've done it with like firing squads uh do whatever they've done it all like firing squads. They do it whatever. They've done it all kinds of ways.

California does it by like watching you turn gray and wrinkle and then you like. You actually get bad kale. Right. You get salmonella from a kale salad. Yeah. From your weakened state from being in prison, you'll just die like that. And they're like, we got him. That's how they kill everybody.

They ate him to death. We killed him and he's happy and it's fine. They manson like that yeah wither him away so uh yeah then he says quote regardless of that we have him back we're going to try him first and the district attorney here feels we have a good case i would say so now once again we'll say this we've said it a lot but if you're a new listener jimmy and i are not neither of us are enthusiastic death penalty people we're not really we're not into it they fuck it up way too much choice number one they find all sorts of innocent people and we don't like that at all although if there's any goddamn possibility if it was just two people in a room and he's denying it and we don't have any physical evidence and there's not it's a tough thing to do but when a guy is literally has a box of evidence like he just got fired from his job

and he's leaving with a fucking box with a potted plant sticking out of the top of evidence of everything he did describing it word for fucking word and there's evidence and and blood and semen and bullets and ballistic every bit of evidence you could possibly have. There may as well be a nipple necklace with each nipple from each person on it. Besides the district attorney being in the room witnessing him doing this to these people, there's really very little he did

that's not fucking like very, very incriminating. So in this particular case, they could take him directly from the courtroom outside and beat him over the head with a bowling ball and i'd be perfectly okay with it fine tape him to a wall i don't care and drive that ford fairlane up his ass i don't care what you do you can do anything you want you could do it the silliest way you could do it like a cartoon you could say let's re-enact some fucking wiley coyote roadrunner happens when you drop a Yamaha piano on somebody.

I have a giant Acme slingshot. Let's give it a whirl. What do you say? Anybody got a safe? Fuck it, yeah. Can we see what that looks like? I haven't seen a giant anvil in a while. Could I have one? And a rope, please? So, I don't care. This guy, fuck this guy.

He definitely did all this shit. Paint a tunnel on a wall and shoot him out of a rocket and see if he goes through the tunnel yeah let's try it and when you disagree you listen to what he says because i mean like i said i'm fine with people that don't want anybody to be executed because they fuck it up a lot but like i said this guy is like he's the one in however many that you go yeah fuck him right fuck this guy this is a lot we don't need him he's done too much yeah so june 14thth, 91, he's indicted finally with the murders of Carol Spadani and Eva Peterson

with special circumstances that the murder of Peterson occurred while he was engaged in the commission or attempted commission of rape or sodomy because he bragged about all of that. In addition to prior murder and multiple murder special circumstances it's also alleged that he personally used a firearm in the commission of the offenses

uh also have uh uh also there's prior felonies so he shouldn't have had there's all sorts of shit all sorts of little charges they tack on with doing that while on parole while all of this while on parole for what murder fucking murder unreal murder and you were in prison before for what right right right right so he's a terrible person he's really bad uh september 25th 1991 the trial court uh he enters a plea of not guilty and a denial of all special allegations uh there so he pleads not, and then he ends up pleading not guilty by reason of insanity, obviously. He's going to go for the insanity defense here.

Now, they had June 3, 1993, they suspend criminal proceedings to determine whether he is competent to stand trial. And then in November, the jury finds him competent and criminal proceedings are reinstated. Now, January 25th, jury selection begins. January 25th, 1994, by the way.

Ah, that's what happened. It's later on. OJ happened. Well, OJ, the Menendez trial, fucking Tonya Harding. There's no need to talk about this guy. Well, Dahmer was going on at this time. We don't need this. This was the Dateline or 2020, whatever. They had Dahmer was going on this time. All of this was the Dateline or 2020, whatever they had Dahmer on and all this shit.

There was but I would think they'd be looking for more crazy stories. But there was so much crazy going on. Yeah, that's that's a good point. Nordberg murdered somebody. We don't need this guy. Well, that happened six months later after the trial. But still, it's it's fucking it's not you're not going to hear about it right in the wheelhouse. And this is exactly when Tanya Harding thing happened and that was going on.

And like we said, the Menendez trial happened and the second one was like 93, 94. This is right in the wheelhouse of crazy America. Crazy. Yeah, this is Jerry Springer America going. This is when America collectively threw a chair at itself. While chanting Jerry. While chanting Jerry. a chair at itself while chanting jerry while chanting jerry and one lone bald man is trying to make sense of the whole situation screaming for a dna test screaming

just absolutely fucking bellowing for a dna test it's too much so uh now the uh doctors and the court proceedings and everything here we'll talk about they talk about a letter that he wrote to eva peterson from 1982 yeah which is which is relevant in this situation uh now he's gonna later on he's gonna he he tries to get this suppressed and not in here later on in appeals he's gonna say that they abused their discretion. The court did allowing this in. So while he was in prison there, he wrote Eva quote. But of course, I'll try to get hold of your big breasts under your nightie. I would love to feel them and suck their nipples until they got big and round and hard. I would never go down below your waist, but I'm going to make them free game.

Okay, so that's would never go below your waist i guess he's saying i'll respect you enough not to fondle you down there or is he saying i don't i'm not a man enough to go down on you i think i think i think he's doing like uh like the fucking biggie lyric that's disgusting you think that's what he's doing he's saying I refuse to eat it I ain't doing it no

yeah I think he's saying you can but I won't I think that's what he's doing I think he's doing one more chance lyrics for the album version not the Faith Hill version

that's horrific so yeah Faith Hill Faith Evans Faith Hill when I say Faith Hill Faith Hill better not be singing that shit I would love to see that I want be singing that i would love to see

i want to hear it i would love because i hate that shit i want faith i hate any frosted fucking country singer this is the worst i want i want her doing the faith evans part and i want tim mcgrath doing the biggie stuff yeah i would like that he says the n-word in private anyway i mean yeah well it's the radio version it's it pretty void of that. Pretty clean. The other one, the album version, is a little bit more dirty. It's a little dirty here. So, yeah, so they argue, the prosecution argues that the letter is evidence of his sexual intent toward her, that he wants to do things to her. The defense counsel argued that the probative value was weak in comparison

to the prejudicial nature of the letter, which the trial court overrules the defense and lets it in. And so they see that a Dr. H.R. Kormos is going to say H.R. Kormos. Kormos?

He's a psychiatrist. He conducted eight interviews with Jablonski beginning in March of 93. And he's continued all the way up until about a month before the trial. He observed that Jablonski talked to himself, drooled, exhibited facial muscle twitching, and claimed he heard voices and displayed a lack of affect and flat facial expressions. Now. So he is me. Well, besides the drooling. You usually keep your drool in your mouth.

Sometimes I drool. That's good. Not in public. Depends on what food's around. You keep it in your mouth usually in public. Either that or you're good at hiding it. That's why you have a beard. Yeah.

Now it's too... Well, now it... That's the thing, though. When you got a beard, it doesn't go inside. It just like sticks on the outside of it. Oh, nice. Like, I almost want to shave this but yeah because the food catching is it's horrible oh my god the sauces if you eat it's gonna be hot in two months and then you're in deep shit you

eat anything with barbecue in it and you smell like barbecue until you shower because it's it's in your beard you can't smell there's no amount of wiping that off it's in the hair it's it's in your beard. You're just smelling it? There's no amount of wiping that off. It's in the hair. It's awful. And the advantage is what? I don't have to shave. Okay. All right. That's fine.

I was hoping that was what it was. It saves me some time. I hope you weren't going to give me some sort of reason which was important. I look like shit. It's fine. Just doesn't want to shave. It's not an added characteristic. I look dumb. You didn't choose the beard? It's not an added characteristic. I look dumb.

You didn't, like, choose the beard? No. You weren't like, I'm going to grow a beard. Very much like the thug life. It chose me. It just chose you. Laziness. Well, laziness chose you first.

Yeah. And then this just piggybacked on laziness. Slaviness and video games over shaving. That's what I've chosen. So Jablonski complained he was experiencing flashbacks of traumatic experiences he had as a soldier in Vietnam. And Kormos, the doctor here, diagnosed him as schizophrenic. Now, according to Kormos, Jablonski manifested all the symptoms of schizophrenia, which he testified are known as, and I don't think it's quite like this anymore, the four A's. Association, affect, autism, and ambivalence.

And he talks about association means he has trouble keeping his thoughts together in a logical fashion and continue to go off in different directions with the reason for their going off in these different directions not being very obvious to anybody who's around. Affect is obviously mood. He explains schizophrenic people have a flattened mood, which there seems to be no change in their mood. And he talks about autism, denoting a person who is very much by themselves and not really linked to anyone else and, importantly, doesn't seem capable of linking up with anyone else,

which is a very fucking broad term for that. That's dangerous. Yeah, that's a really... I don't like that. That's reckless as fuck. term for that. That's dangerous. Yeah, that's a really. I don't like that. That's reckless as fuck. This is 1994. That's a good point. This is not.

I assume there's probably different medical things going on now, but that's a really weird because to be a loner because you're like a psychopath is a different thing from being a loner because you're autistic. It's a very, very fucking different thing. I don doing it because you don't want people to know because you're autistic it's a very very fucking different thing so it's odd also ambivalence indicates that the person never seems to be clear about what they want or how they want to go about it and that kind of ambivalence can be paralyzing so that's that's hmm he seems to know what he wants he wants nipples yeah and he wants to sodomize everybody he's driven as fuck he's like fucking panzeram with a nipple fetish he's a fucking lunatic he's got a checklist he does he's like santa claus yeah he writes everything down he's very organized twice

do you think maybe he has like uh he records things because he has uh disturbances where he loses time or anything like that that's a possibility i'm not sure but the or i think he just he's a sick fuck that likes it that's what i think i think that's i don't like that they're saying that autism is like a an alone thing because that's not no i mean but that's one of the symptoms is it's not it's not it's not a matter of wanting to be alone it's a matter of just not people don't think like me so i'm just gonna be over here by myself it's not even like it's not a conscious choice you're just fine they're just fine by themselves but don't need you but they want yeah it's a it's to me it's an evolution it's like it's unreliable it's a great

evolutionary thing to not fucking be to not just need the constant like approval approval and input of everybody is kind of a, that's evolution. We need to get there. They're like Instagram proof. They don't give a shit how many likes they have. It's not what they're into. So that's great. Joey, he loves when people are around. Oh, he loves it.

Because we've worked with Joey a lot. Joey likes people. He likes people. He wants to be friends with people. He loves playing video games with people because he hates playing against the computer. He just doesn't understand how to – he has trouble with other kids. He doesn't understand the nonverbal shit. Just the way people are, the way they look at you means something.

He doesn't get that stuff. So it's a matter of you almost have to like help them build a personality with like – you have to you almost have to like like help them build a personality with like you know you have to teach them they're they don't know instinctually how to interact with people like on that kind of level so you have to like teach them hey when someone looks like this they might be thinking that right so they when you were me and you were talking if i make a facial expression you just automatically get it you don't ever have to think about it. Whereas he has to like calculate. He did this. So does this mean that or this or that?

So it's a constant. It's a lot of work. It's tough. It doesn't come natural. I don't know, man. If I'm an autistic person, I might just be going, fuck you. I don't care. I'm not looking into this.

I'm not autistic and I'm like that. Say the words. I don't care. Use your words. Yeah. I don't give a fuck. Yeah. I'm just. Don't say it with your goddamn the words. I don't care. Use your words. Yeah. I don't give a fuck. Yeah. I'm just.

Don't say it with your goddamn eyes. That's what I mean. How dare you. So, yeah, this doctor also testified that certain factors of this, of Jablonski's childhood were relevant to his diagnosis and that he suffered from schizophrenia about the violent father and the sexual abuse and all that sort of thing. He did testify, however, that the diagnosis of schizophrenia was well supported by his conversations with other psychiatrists who had treated or observed him in the past and an analysis of his criminal acts.

And everything rolled into a big ball here. Another one, Dr. Florent, who is the jail psychiatrist at the San Mateo Jail, where he was housed for a while. This guy told Kormos that when Jablonski first arrived at the jail, he seemed psychotic, unable to care for himself and spouted gibberish, which is interesting. Florent ascribed these behaviors to schizophrenia and prescribed high doses of antipsychotic medication, which he said seemed to help. Now, so that's the other Dr. Cormos said that some of the defendants physical symptoms were consistent with the reactions of a schizophrenic to the medication.

So all this is going with these even saying like brain chemistry wise, he seems to be schizophrenic. He's fucked up. That's for sure. He's definitely fucked up. Yeah, this is not normal. So, yeah, a lot of that. Now, a third psychiatrist, a Dr. Roadbush. We got Barfneck and Roadbush.

No way. This is ridiculous. First and last name? Dr. Roadbush. Okay. Or it could be Rudebush, honestly, because it's R-U-D-E-B-U-S-H. So, R-O-U-D-E. R-O-U?

Yeah, it's Rude or Roadbush. Oh, that's Roadbush. I'm going Roadbush. Hey, guy, don't be barf-necking him a Roadbush. Let me tell you something. That ain't right now. Staff psychiatrist at San Quentin, Mr. Roadbush, or Ms. Roadbush, I don't fucking know. Dr. Roadbush wrote in a 1982 report that Jablonski was schizophrenic and attributed his sexual impulses to schizophrenia.

was schizophrenic and attributed his sexual impulses to schizophrenia now at the time this is when he was in prison for murdering linda kimball uh and he hadn't met carol yet he just was meeting her at that time now road bush told cormos it's all these names are awful they are that uh that jablonski came to him and that uh while massage that he told him uh jablonski told road bush in prison that while he was massaging Spadani's neck during a visit, she had come to visit him, he was massaging her neck, he'd been disturbed by what he called, quote, weird feelings and an impulse to wrap Spadani's hair around her neck and choke her with it. That's what he told the prison psychologist at the time.

I wanted to strangle her when she visited me in prison. Yeah, I was rubbing her neck and I had this just desire to wrap her hair around her neck and strangle her with it. Like that was that's his desire. That's not. That's his weird fucking thought the way that that goes. from a civil trial in connection with Linda Kimball's murder, in which a Dr. Thompson testified that Jablonski was a schizophrenic who was psychotic at the time of the homicide and should be hospitalized and not put in prison. He also reviewed reports from a psychiatric group that treated him between 68 and 72

and also diagnosed him as a schizophrenic. And he cited a 1968 diagnosis of schizophrenia made at a VA hospital in Texas. We can say with some relative measure of certainty that he's a schizophrenic, I would say. He has some mental problems. He's got some problems. So they talked about his history of violence toward women, that he was hospitalized in 1968 and given psychiatric treatment after an incident where he almost drowned his first wife in the bathtub that we discussed. He also exhibited other violent behavior toward his wife, like the smothering with her pillow

during sex and all that sort of thing. When Kormos discussed Jablonski's first wife with him, Jablonski complained that she was more involved in her profession as a dog trainer than in their marriage. Now, Kormos said this statement indicated an extreme sensitivity on his part to female rejection, and he said that played a part in disorganizing Jablonski and causing him to function in an irrational manner. Yeah. Which makes sense.

I think he also has a thing where he feels he's superior to women. Yeah. Somebody doing well at their profession and focusing all their time oh yeah we think you're fucking better than me exactly i think he's got a lot of what do you think you're better than me and i think it's like that with women a lot and that's so he needs to have power over them and we'll talk about this uh cormos also said that the decision of the military to hospitalize him for the attempt at drowning rather than discipline him indicated that he was probably genuinely disturbed. If the military's buying your loony fucking story, you're probably crazy. We can't have a gun in that guy's hand.

Yeah, they don't give a fuck, though. They're not known as the most sensitive, easy-going court to fool. If you're a warm body, get out there with that rifle. Well, either that or get in fucking prison. They don't usually put you in a hospital that's my point is it right yeah you're not good enough for them then you're gonna be somewhere exactly so uh he also they talked about chablonski uh and uh engaged in violence against the the woman he uh jane sanders the woman he jesus christ raped on the first date but then she remained with him for four years they talk about his beating of her and raping her and just everything that he did to her that was terrible.

And then they talk about 1978, how he murdered Linda Kimball after she told him that he that she was leaving him with their child. He told a Dr. Flanagan that he strangled and sexually assaulted Kimball because he, quote, did not want to lose her. So this Kormos opined here that by killing Kimball, Jablonski took possession of her and prevented her from being possessed by another man, which is obvious. He's a sick fuck and he needs ownership. He described this as a psychotic behavior i would say uh cormos commented on the fact that there was no evidence of sexual assault uh besides his description of the murder because the bodies were always decomposed and uh further indication they said of his uh tenuous hold on reality and uh in matters of violence homicide sex and so on so they're saying he might say he sexually assaulted someone

even if he didn't just because it makes him feel like a bigger man. Okay. If he, if he did that too, which who knows if he's capable of, uh, that's the thing. A lot of these times with serial killers of all different kinds, they have different weird sexual hangups and capabilities and non capabilities and you know, uh, whatever they won't do, but what they will do. Yeah.

It's what they need to do. It was more like whatever they won't do but what they will do yeah it's or what they need to do right it was more like it what they have to do now uh kormos also testified that jablonski's primary purpose in killing and mutilating uh carol and eva was to express disdain and contempt and to seek revenge on them obviously and uh also now he gets into some freud shit here to solve his relationships with his mother and women in general so yeah he wanted to destroy and be in total possession of his victims obviously no shit uh they said that uh in his he uh ultimately opined that he was not able to distinguish right from wrong in relation to the acts that we're talking about uh the cormos stated the behavior that i understand that took place was behavior that was completely and totally dominated by this psychotic desire to destroy and possess and get back for the unbearable rejections that he felt he's had.

And this sexual organ mutilation that's going on, he made that sound like it goes on all the time. These kids now with their sexual organ mutilations in the streets every night jesus christ that's general destruction and humiliation that he's involved in and uh this is being uh this is beyond right or wrong this is a furtherance of only some set of psychotic thoughts but he's basically saying he did shit he's letting his actions decide his state is that's he did shit so He's letting his actions decide his state. He did shit so sick he must have been psychotic when he was doing that. And that's a doctor saying this? That's a doctor saying that.

I don't like that. I don't like that at all. If he's doing it just because he thinks it's warranted and it needs to happen, that doesn't mean that he doesn't know that it's wrong. If we didn't say Jeffrey Dahmer was crazy, if we put him in regular fucking prison then no one's you know that's not too many people are crazy like that means that just because you're you went off the deep end with the graphicness of your crimes doesn't mean you're crazy right you have to actually be crazy yeah this is too much too much so a vitaly rizanko who's a clinical psychologist, was also appointed by the court to examine the defendant. He interviewed Jablonski on five separate occasions and also reviewed everything and everything like that.

He agreed that the defendant here suffered from chronic schizophrenia and, in addition, sexual sadism and a mixed personality disorder. He also agreed that he was psychotic when he murdered peterson and spadani he concluded however that he was legally sane at the time he committed these offenses his conclusion was based on that he he interviewed with him also he was uh that at the time jablonski was oriented as to time and place they said uh with the time he talked to him, this psychiatrist, that Jablonski looked terrible. He was over-medicated and shit like that. But his answers to questions were logical and relevant. His long-term memory was pretty good, but at times he would contradict himself.

But he wasn't a loopy, out-of-it guy. Another psychiatrist, George Wilkinson, this one will come up later on also interviewed him on five separate occasions uh you know did all the different things all the looked over all of his history uh he said that he had uh diagnosed him as a post-traumatic stress disorder not schizophrenic uh transient psychotic episodes triggered by overpowering aggressive or sexual feelings that cannot be expressed, which OK, and had a passive aggressive personality with intense feelings of inadequacy and also was a sexual sadist. There's a cherry on top because you got to have that. Wilkinson also concluded that that Jablonski engaged in malingering behavior. This has been said before about him.

He's smart. He knows the symptoms. And he fucking pretends. If you don't know, malingering is pretending to have symptoms. So he thinks that. As evidence that he's not schizophrenic, Wilkinson observed that his history did not show social isolation, which is a characteristic of schizophrenia. which is a characteristic of schizophrenia, that Jablonski was able to befriend people,

meet and establish relationships with women, and formed a close relationship with another inmate while he was in prison. He had a good friend. Also, despite mental illness and periodic psychosis, he functioned well enough most of the time, indicating the diagnosis of schizophrenia was incorrect. They're saying he's just a sick fuck. He just needs rules and a force to live by them by them yeah he's a serial killer that can be fine except when he needs to go

do crazy shit like kill people and then he'll go off on that and then he'll go back right back to his life right i mean btk killer outside of horrific brutal murders 99.9 percent of his life was right down the middle lane law abiding kept. Kept a job. Right by the book. You know, made sure everyone kept their goddamn lawn trimmed up. It was ridiculous. So much by the book that he's writing citations if you're not by the book. Fucking ridiculous here. Now, the verdict comes down April 25th. The jury convicts him of both counts of first degree murder and found true all special circumstances except the prior murder murder special circumstance, which in a separate proceeding was found true all special circumstances except the prior murder special circumstance,

which in a separate proceeding was found true. It's a bifurcated proceeding. It's a very complicated legal thing that doesn't matter, considering that the only thing that matters is first-degree murder and special circumstances. So on May 2nd, they did a final sanity thing here, and on May 10th, the jury found that he was sane at the time of the commission of the murders. That was a separate thing. On May 17th, the penalty phase commenced and ends.

And it is time for a verdict for a penalty verdict on a sentence here. And this is a big you may fuck off. Yeah, he gets a death penalty all right tell him he dicks this guy now yeah june 17th to juror the jury returns death verdicts on uh on uh august 12 1994 the trial court denies his automatic motion for reduction of the death verdict and modification of the verdict he's sentenced to death on each murder. He's also sentenced to five years on each firearm use enhancement. But those sentences were stayed

pending the execution of the death sentence. Basically, they're like, if we don't end up killing him eventually, we can always tack that on. We got those in the bag. They're hanging out. By the way, still got one in Utah, just in case. Just in case. So just in case we still have that summer. This guy ever walks, still have that. Summer love. Don this guy ever... We still have that summer. This guy ever walks, still have that.

Summer love. Summer love. Don't sing it. We'll have to pay. But they still have the dancing around in the sand. Oh, man. Running in the sand. Falling on the sandcastle.

Oh, look at that. Your whole ass is going to be wet and itchy now. So he's sentenced to death like we said now uh he appeals 2006 is his big appeal here uh first thing is presence of unauthorized individuals at grand jury proceedings basically present at some parts of the grand jury proceedings that were you know returned as indictments were several uh deputy district attorneys who were apparently observing the proceeding for training purposes. It was a training purpose. They had

district attorneys looking it over because they're going to have to do that. It's like doctors bring around a fucking resident. It's the same thing. In surgery, there's a bunch of people watching the surgery. Those are students that are learning. So they're all there saying, I concur. Yeah, exactly. So they're all doing that yeah so uh they're there he moves to dismiss

the indictment because there's people there under a code in the law it says no person other than those specified in article 3 and all these different sections and the officer having custody of a prisoner witness while the prisoner is testifying is permitted to be present during the criminal sessions of the grand jury, except the members and witnesses actually under examination. So they're saying these district district attorneys should not have been there because by law they're not allowed to be there. So we're going to throw out the whole court proceeding. That's what he's trying to do. They say true. They shouldn't have been there by the

law but that did not form any prejudice or anything like that a bunch of people watching from the back of the room made no difference in the facts it wasn't a factual thing so you can go fuck yourself on that count which i like anytime they tell him to go fuck himself i dig it i dig it a lot go rape yourself so he really should here. That would be wonderful. The other thing is this Wilkinson, the doctor, the psychiatrist, he talked about Jablonski being a serial killer in court, which was a big deal. The prosecutor elicited testimony from him as to whether Jablonski was a serial killer and to explain that certain bizarre aspects of Jablonski's behavior were not necessarily indicative of insanity. They were indicative of more like a pathology. So this doctor testified that serial killer is someone whom to whom for whom killing, quote, releases frequently internal tensions.

They'll feel a terrible turmoil. And by doing the murder, they'll not only get a thrill, but some internal calming, which is a part of it. Yeah. He also explained that the tape recording that that Jablonski made memorizing or memorializing his crimes and the notation he made on his belt with the names and dates and all of that crazy shit fit the pattern of serial killers who collected souvenirs that helped them relive the experience obviously and if he has a souvenir and he has his somebody you know his voice telling him

about it he can relive that shit so they they were asked whether this behavior was indicative of insanity and wilkinson replied quote insanity has a legal definition that must be met in order for that label to apply it doesn't matter how sick someone is they have to meet the legal criteria so you know it may not be an indication of insanity so fucked up doesn't necessarily mean insane exactly what he said and that's that's the law ted bundy was fucked up yeah tons of people are fucked up but yeah insane is a very specific designation it didn't used to be right that's the thing. In the 50s and the 60s, insane was like,

well, yeah. Insane was basically, would a rational person do that? And you'd go, fuck no. And then he was insane. She wants a job? What is she, insane?

Yeah, we should put her in the loony bin. But that was how it worked legally a lot back then and then they changed it in the early 70s and now it's fucking impossible. Now you have to literally

not know what planet you're from. you have to literally not know what planet you're from right not even yeah not even not know what you're on where you're from or yeah shitting your pants while talking to a rubber wall and believing it is underdog right you have to really fucking it's crazy shit so uh yeah they talk about wilkinson also talked about his conduct uh that uh jablonski's conduct was a ritualistic way, the way the murders were committed, the way he wanted to exercise control. He had interest in police procedure that were all consistent with patterns of serial killers. His testimony also talked about the prosecutions. Basically, they talked about the proof, how he found all that.

This was outside of the jury. This was to of the jury this was uh to find the legality of it they seeked seeking a mistrial the defense argued that serial killer was a quote media term not a classification of mental disease and whether or not the defendant was a serial killer had nothing to do with sanity which it kind of does yeah he was explaining why he's not insane and what other class telling him what he is he doesn't fall yeah he doesn't fall in the insane box he falls in the serial killer box they're different fucking boxes you know they might uh mix together once there's an estuary between them

but time to time one person's legs are in this box it happens you know like a dead lady's guy legs could be in the kitchen and her body could be in the garage. You know that shit works. So, Jesus. The defense argued that this characterization might lead the jury to link him with other notorious serial killers, such as the Zodiac Killer or John Wayne Gacy or Bundy or anybody like that. Which, sorry, if the shoe fits, asshole, very. Yeah, you're on that. That's like, ah, shit. Yeah, I was on that team, but I don't want people to think like I was like wore the uniform or anything like that.

It's like, no, you're on the team, dude. Sorry, we have footage of you just draining threes. You're on the fucking team. So, yeah, the prosecutor responded to all this. I think it's important for the jury to understand that there have been studies done of serial murders. I think it's important for the jury to understand that there have been studies done of serial murders, and this is a common thing, and that they do not necessarily are indicative of insanity, but a need for power and control. So also, there was another testimony from one non-medical professional, a Rosser Don rosser he was a classmate of uh fatima van and jablonski at the college he testified that on april 22nd this rosser and jablonski were supposed to watch a videotape on alternators and generators after the class ended that evening and the tape

which the fucking vcr wasn't working apparently which is miserable. And so Jablonski drove Rosser Donnelly to a restaurant and dropped him off at 730. Now, Donnelly testified that had the machine not broken down at the VCR, not broken down, that Drosser would have been in the car with Van and him. So in his opinion, he didn't think that Jablonski was going to murder van because they were all going to leave together which maybe he wasn't but then once he figured out that he was going to be alone with van then he went hey opportunity right he didn't think he was going to have opportunity he broke the vcr that's i'm not that's yeah that's not that's not out of the realm of no not at all what happened very jam something in there fucking done can't get the other one out this is weird totally so at the competence hearings here the whole they talk about all of this or not the hearings the appeals of it four experts testified at the competency trial uh the the defense expert

we talked about all these uh cormos with the schizophrenia there's also a dr weiner yeah everybody's name is terrible in this fucking thing awesome uh doctors frick and wiener each testified that while they initially believed that uh are they the same they have a practice called they gotta have frickin wiener wiener frickin is another his wiener frickin is fucking and his uh barf neck and his oh god i want freaking wiener to be a a doctor colleague team freaking wiener just looks like they make like lunchables or something it's freaking wiener company it's like a dancing hot dog with like some crackers how is that even a possible how did they get these two in there and be like is this are we not trying to have

a media circus or are we yeah well they well, they even agreed with each other. Frick and Wiener. They agreed that they initially believed that Jablonski was not competent to stand trial based on their first examinations. But then subsequent examinations changed their mind. And the Dr. Frick testified that he concluded that Jablonski was competent and, quote, without a doubt, he was malingering. So he's full of shit yeah Dr. Wiener testified that he's been made fun of his entire life and now he's gonna make it right and he slaughtered everyone in the courtroom he uh he testified here that uh after his subsequent examination that uh that he had strong suspicions that that jablonski was malingering as well yes you can just call me doctor this entire trial please just don't he doesn't even

have patients call him doctor he's like just call me bob bob is fine but doctor don't please don't do it jesus uh also the prosecution's expert dr missett uh testified that the yeah M-I-S-S-E-T-T. God, Jesus. Missett and Wiener and fucking Barfneck, and it's just a mess. Frickin' Wiener, Barfneck, and Missett. That's a law firm for the ages right there. Frickin' Wiener, Barfneck, and Missett. Thank you for calling Frickin' barf neck and miss it how can

i direct your call so uh finally here uh this person here testified that the that jablonski was competent and was also malingering so a lot of people said he was malingering uh they tried to stay basically they're trying to say that they were all wrong and that his expert was right and that he is not competent and he's crazier than shit. And they all agree. And they all agree. So they all agree that he's crazy, but also very competent. And we all have shit names. We all have shit names. you know, whatever act or whatever code of the law, violated his due process rights also

by admitting at the competency hearing over his objection the tape recording he made in which he described in horrible detail everything that he did there. It had been seized, obviously, upon his arrest. The defense moved to exclude the tape as more prejudicial than probative, and the prosecution said,

what are you fucking kidding me? He fucking admitted it on tape what he did probative he's not saying it's not his fucking voice he's saying it's him i don't know what we're talking about here dismissive yeah stop using those words just say it's fucking damning the prosecution's rebuttal was the fuck out of here that was that's their official uh all the forms the fuck out of here is what they said and threw it out on like a paper airplane fuck out of here you dicks fella are we out of our mind what are we fucking kidding me what are we doing why are we even in court the fuck out of here assholes and the defense goes can i get a new this is what you assigned me to what am i an asshole this isn't fair this is like playing the yankees and they're already up 13 to nothing in the first why are we here fuck what's happening just rain happening? Just rain it out. Yeah, it's the fucking, you know what?

He should have been like, you know what? Let him have it. We got everything else. Put it in the box with the rest of this shit. Put it in the box with the Chinese kid. It's fine. It's all right. I got others.

What do you got? I got that. I got ballistics. What do you got that? I got this. Hey, I got your belt. What else? What do you want, asshole?

I got your semen and blood on jeans. There you go go i just put that in my pocket for later i'll keep that with me i'll give that to kansas if they need some help later just in fucking around jesus christ good lord uh now they're saying that the tapes are important because they're he's trying to portray himself as like he doesn't know where he is and he speaks gibberish. And during one of the tests, he couldn't remember the names of three simple objects, that he has no memory, that he has an extremely low level of functioning. And they're saying this tape says otherwise. Right. This tape has your clear sentences, exactly what you did down in detail. You said sodomize.

Yeah, that's so they said that had actually a very the tapes were very very important uh it supported his theory also that he was feigning mental illness and i was trying to prove them lingering so uh yeah so uh dr frick here and his report says stumbling and barely being able to concentrate was his for which uh when his first report it shows a person whose concentration is good later on he said so this shit is different here also there's a failure to discharge a juror they say that a juror said in the beginning of the trial that she received a telephone call from someone whose voice she didn't recognize but who identified himself as carl so the juror explained that the only reason

she brought the matter to the court's attention was her concern about whether that uh jablonski whose uh middle name is carl maybe had access to the jury's identities and phone numbers oh god and she was worried about it she was assured by the court that he did not have such access and she agreed the call was likely a crank call miss whatever just a coincidence and uh they asked they asked her whether she was confident she could be a fair and impartial juror and she said yeah i don't think it was him that called it's fine i'm just fucking terrified i was just scared of yeah that she's fucking dangerous i heard his voice describe shit so they uh they ended up letting her stay and so he's saying they should have just charged her because she was prejudiced prejudiced to him which she kind of

really wasn't she was scared of him terrified, which she kind of really wasn't. She was scared of him. She's terrified of the man. But not because of that. So that's just another thing. Also, the homemade handcuffs and stun gun. The officer who conducted the search testified that all the items recovered from the vehicle was all of this. All the shit we said, the duct tape, the handcuffs, the vehicle uh was all of this you know all the shit we said the duct tape the handcuffs the stun gun kill kit yeah the defense council objected to the admission of

the handcuffs and stun gun on grounds of relevance uh the prosecution said the fuck out of here again the fuck is wrong with did you go to law school bro i'm folding this one into a jet right up your ass i got you know i'm gonna do one that's gonna do a loop right at you it's gonna loop and keep going easy yeah you know you gotta cut the one little piece and put it in there sorry go to law school even fucking go to law school do you know i don't see the relevance of this evidence it's obvious evidence jesus christ prosecutor's uh office offered proof of both items that they were shown uh that he would prepared them to restrain or immobilize people before he arrived in burlingame and that there was uh you know this was relevant to premeditation uh there so uh they keep going with all this shit and uh california

supreme court upholds the conviction and the death sentence good tells him to get fucked on everything all your everything you're doing is bullshit uh so uh it was decided and uh that basically it existed this was only seeking reversible error and then he filed a separate habeas corpus case which was a reinvestigation of the whole case in which new evidence can be brought and all that shit but they told him to eat dicks on that also so he's pretty fucked so he's in prison okay so he's got to find friends yeah because he likes to be a pen pal oh god boy does he so he's got a call for pen pals i don't know if anybody's interested if they'd like to hear it but uh here's his pitch no oh i got his pitch here uh quote i ask for your indulgence ladies bisexual and straight i promise to be as brief as possible.

Allow me to introduce myself. Death row teddy bear seeking open minded bisexual or straight males and females for unconditional blunt correspondence on a mature and honest level. Someone who has a caring heart to carry a special friendship built from the heart. This is very nice. That was so Julius Caesar. Women, lesbian and the like. Anyone the like. Lend me your nipples.

Men with your penises, bring them. Bring me your penises. Let's share our thoughts and feelings, good and bad, as we learn about one another freely and watch the growth of our friendship bloom like a rose. Let our friendship bloom right like a rose

is the next sentence. Let our friendship be strong as a castle wall which cannot be broken. A loving heart is worth more than a mountain of gold. Love to communicate on any subject or issue. I love cats, horses, dolphins, birds, foxes. I like history, reading. I'm a professional artist, amateur poet. I write award-winning essay and artist.

Please don't just sit there and think that someone else will write because if everyone is sitting there and thinking the same thing then no one will write to me and brighten up my boring day please don't let the knowledge that I am a serial killer and my situation stop you from writing me pick up your pen

and pay me a visit any ethnicity or age I guarantee I will make a speedy reply to all these letters and I'll throw in a full set of knives. 1995. You got your frying pan.

You got your two-quart saucepan. You're going to need that. No sticking on the bottom. Spatulas. Lifetime warranty. Boy, do I hate this man. And I will throw in a speedy fucking reply wow send all letters to philip jablonski uh c-024771eb66 san quentin state prison 946

or 94964 so why do women like him i don't get why would you send him a letter you can do that still you can send him letters this is now this is still alive oh he's alive no he's not been executed and he's not died yet and they're not gonna kill him because they can't right now he's in his fucking 70s oh my god he's gonna sit there how has no one stabbed this guy in the face yet i don't understand that either this is crazy it's the 23 and one thing right he only gets one hour out of his cell it's fucking nuts no this this i don't know even death row is a different lifestyle death row is totally different so yeah he's got to be locked down if he's on death row you're locked down all the time why is he still alive this is fucking i don't know how i wanted to know what he ate last could

he not have a goddamn heart attack or something jesus people die all the time the shittiest of the most resilient. So I found this one. No. Yeah. There's a quote here from a doctor talking about why some women are attracted to this. Yeah. And it makes perfect sense because I know that's a lot of question that we got last time. Why would somebody write this guy? And her quote is, quote, if you're in a relationship with a man behind bars for life or a man on death row, then you have a lot of control over the relationship.

You can decide when to make the visit, when to accept the phone call, or will you accept the call? And are you that man's primary link to the outside world? So you can clearly see it's a very powerful position to be in. So that's a lot of times as women who don't have power sometimes are attracted to having some power or something like that. Or someone that was in a relationship where they didn't have to try. That's what I mean. So they feel like there's some control over it. And also they talk about there's some like some women are attracted to some of that weird hyper masculinity thing of the danger of the killer.

And it's a weird. That's the most dangerous man on earth. That's what I mean. So it's like a weird. It's a weird thing. It's just like a psychological tick that people have. And same reason why men are attracted to women who are terrible for that, too. They're fucking wrong for them.

It's just no shit. You're attracted to what you're attracted to. And a lot of times, too, if these women have come up in terrible backgrounds and environments, you go, oh, well, that makes sense why they'd be attracted to a terrible person. And they're trying to correct that. Yeah, exactly. yeah exactly and they have control over maybe their father was like this person now they have control over the situation so maybe that's what it is live in lady gaga's song telephone i'm not a psychiatrist obviously but that's that's the theories i've heard bandied about and they seem to make as much sense to me as any now i have a letter here that he wrote

to someone named ryan yeah and uh ryan put this shit on the internet oh yeah a bunch of people do oh boy i got a letter from this guy today like i said people have talked to him and corresponded with him and said he's too fucked up i'll stick with just richard ramirez the night stalker he's a little less crazy california killed him too by raging him out that's it so this letter is quote dear ryan received your welcome letter uh i thought my ad on writer prisoner project was deleted a long time ago then all of a sudden i get a pen pal who sees who see my ad on their website i have enclosed a sample of my artwork i sometimes build crazy stuff i also enjoy photography mentioned uh that later in your

mentioned that later in your letter. Yes, I am allowed artwork in my cell. Many of other pen pals have sent me some of their artwork. We can receive any full nude artwork showing violences. We can't receive any full nude artwork showing violences. Are stick figures nude? Because I'm sending them one. No shit. We are allowed to receive receive articles off

the internet and new media clippings so most any articles off the internet not pertaining to guns or rape can receive writing pads to uh front and back uh something that's ineligible and uh or eligible and two uh and ineligible for that matter matter. And two ink pens, blue or black, transparent. Stamp books like two books. So stamp books, too. Blah, blah, blah. Photos up to five at a time. No Polaroid, no full frontal nudity. Or photo of nude cats, smiley face joke.

Okay. He's kidding. He threw in... About cats not having clothes on. What do I do with my time to stay busy besides my sides being hilarious besides being a fucking jokester besides my painting and drawing i write essays and poems and i read a lot on and write letters to all my pen pals that takes up a lot of my time and go uh out to get my ass in the yard and do something I guess work out to walk around

and talk to a few friends and watch my TV. My favorite commercial is the diaper commercial. Some diaper commercial came close to being Pogo which he's talking about. He's got a John Wayne Gacy obsession

too. His small diaper on the one infant and toddler are wearing. He's talking about liking fucking infant commercials. This is horrible. This is why people stop writing him. Yeah, they get this. I love true crime books. Mostly I read Silence of the Lambs and Raising some other shit.

And it's Arizona. I love the Coen brothers. So he also has art and shit for auction and for sale. He's got, here's us. It's murderauction.com is a bunch of his shit, these assholes. One is item description is the artwork is done completely in pencil, measures seven and a half inches by eight and a half inches, is signed across the bottom right corner in ink,

Philip Jablonski, San Quentin Death Row 2010. Jablonski makes a habit of sending out all the correspondence he receives to other collectors and dealers of true crime related memorabilia here's your chance to get a jablonski piece and not have your personal information shared with strangers the artwork comes inside a protective magazine sleeve with an acid-free board and has been stored flat fuck you fuck. Fuck you. Honestly. There's a dragon drawing of his for fucking 30 bucks. How good is it?

The dragon one's not fucking bad. It's right here if you want to see it. It's not too... Holy shit. Way fucking better than I could do. That looks like Fantasia. It's not bad. That's incredible.

It really is pretty... He's not a bad artist. I mean, he's got a lot of time to do it. If I had a lot of time, I might be able to do it. That's the thing. You probably learned how to do that over years. On his I mean, he's got a lot of time to do it. If I had a lot of time, I might be able to do it. You'd probably learn how to do that over years. On his WordPress site, he has...

Like 40 of them. Yeah, 40 years. He has shit for sale. He has a Pogo the Clown painting done by him, a painting of... Pogo. Yeah. It's his reproduction of Gacy's Pogo, basically. 80 bucks for that, or best offer.

A Skull Clown painting, which is another reproduction of Gacy's pogo, basically. $80 for that, or best offer. A skull clown painting, which is another reproduction of Gacy. It's creepy as fuck. $75. He's selling hair samples, Jimmy. What? Hair samples. Ten available. Each of the ten packets

is numbered on the back and includes a display card and a generous lock of hair. Each packet is in a thin plastic case. Is it as pubes? $25 each. Wow. For fucking hair.

Own a piece of a notorious serial killer! Exclamation point. Notorious? Fuck you. Nobody's heard of you, fuckface. Fuck you! Exclamation point. Jesus. Also a photo of a naked woman without a head for ten dollars why

is he allowed to draw that if he can't get pictures i don't know an envelope from him addressed to somebody with some shit drawn on it for five dollars a drawing of a horse for ten dollars a bunch of photos complete with autographs and thumbprints the thumbprint on there his personal prison copy of hannibal rising that he was reading awful that's all sorts of shit there and also a signed copy of deadly urges which is a 1997 book about him by a guy named barry bortnick that nobody fucking bought barry bortnick wrote a book about him forwarded him a copy and he signed it 95 bucks for a paperback of a shit book. Wow. That's how unnotorious you are, sir. If there was a book about Bundy with Bundy's autograph on it, thousands.

It would be worth a fortune. It's 95 bucks. 95 bucks. That's it. Not even a cable bill. And literally, that's the only book written about him. There's a couple that mention him in serial killer books, like the 12 whatever. Ted Bundy has 55 fucking books written about him. More a couple that mention him in serial killer books like you know the 12 whatever and he's one of the but like there's ted bundy has 55 fucking books written about him more than that probably shows everything it's coming out still he's been dead for 30 years

they took 12 minutes of tapes and made it fucking four hours i was gonna say made it a full length fucking unbelievable multi-part documentary shit just to just to tell the story again nobody's even heard your story once fuck face so that is burlingame california that is philip carl jablonski and the story of many many dead women uh poor women who were fucking slaughtered for no reason because he's a sick shit yeah uh if you like our story yeah and all of our stories i know what you can do about it do something you can get on it Podcasts, or any other podcast platform that you listen to us on and give us five stars. Give us a rating.

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That we think. That we should think. And even if they have, we're willing to overlook it because they've given us money. Who are these people, Jimmy? Hit me with them now. This week's executive producers are Janine Ballinger-Tibay, I believe. Thank you so much. Yes.

Thank you. Ellie Comack, Christopher Dobronsky um malte stangey malt maybe it's malt i don't know i like it look at me thank you charlotte uh akerman that was the one yes charlotte yes you're awesome i don't know what we do for you but it's clearly amazing and thank you we can't thank you enough amy spicer, Lonnie Hall, and Kelsey Capraro. Thank you guys from the bottom of our hearts. You guys do unbelievable things, and you don't even know it, but thank you. Yeah, you don't know what you mean to us, but it's a lot.

Thank you. This week's producers are Georgia Lilly, Brian Corbin, Francis Korsak, Courtney Issa-Ray. Issa-Ray. Issa-Ray. I think it's definitely foreign, right? Foreign as opposed to what? I don't know. Elizabeth Martin, Kristen Hensley, Tina Eldred, Jessica Hartke, Caitlin Stupak, Becky and Alex Simmons, Amanda Thomas, Tyler Gwill, Peggy malone leslie woodruff mackenzie parrot uh bex bex alice

uh here here ish here ish a cash de past hmm let's try this again let's go back to one on this harishka harishka cash you're working on handy that's there you go uh joseph sir joseph sirachi the fourth which is a fucking great name i think that's the that's not right but it's he's the fourth that's what he is damn antonio ackridge yes and uh antonio ackridge brendan ables l'oreal mitchell nick matt nixon uh jordan mosher uh alex what is that alexandra what is that? Oh, it's Alexandra Vandergag. That's what that is. Oh, okay.

That's perfect. Well, shit, thank you. Nick Jungers, Thomas Smith, Rachel Storer, Casey L. Bowers. Yes. Jesse Hartman, Christy. No, Krista Walker. Kate with a C. Justin Miller, Sue Lee.

Not so Lee. It's Sue, right? Yeah, we'll go with Sue. It's not so. It's Sue, right? Yeah. Yeah. We'll go with Sue. Solely. Right. Casey. No, Chasey. Is that Chasey?

Chasey. No, it's probably Casey Miller, but it's the CH. I think that's what it is. Reagan. Reagan. Reagan. Shalkley. Shauna Rogers.

Morgan. Carolyn. No. Carlean. Carlean. Morgan. Thank you. Yes. James.ames james martyr i and i don't they they gave no clarification whether or not you are a martyr uh jordan jordan bennett uh emily hawkins tracy reninger uh jc no janice janice hill luke holman lewis tidrick uh dylan oh that was leviidrick from a few weeks ago.

Levi's. But that's Lewis. His name is Lewis. I called him Levi's. That's what happened. Dylan Hopper, Gina Golan, Melanie Harrison, Brittany Baker, Greg Stevens, Panhandle Games. They play a game. I don't remember what it is.

Okay. But the winnings go to us, which is fantastic. Amazing. Thank you. Marshall Walker, Sherry Costa, Keith Cole, Russell Tobler, Therese Alquist, Louise Rayfield, Kenan Eisenbart, Jackie Moran. Kenan Ivory Eisenbart. Yes. Maylee Elliott.

Also, Maylee, not a porn star. She told us that. Good. Good for you. Good for you, sweetheart. Lori Hicks. Thank you for everything. Luna Alvarez.

Chelsea Hanson. Stephen Hancock. Yes. Mark Trudeau. Ted Cyrus. Miftha Sadiq. I think I got it. I think I nailed that on the first one.

Christina Luller. Sarah Reichert. Joseph Kenny. Fun Kilo. Fun Kylo. Nope. Okay. Elizabeth Nigro. I can't say that. It's her last name. Sarah Reichert, Joseph Kenny, Fun Kylo, Elizabeth Negro. I can't say that.

It's her last name, and I still can't say it. What is it? It's Negro. I can't do that. Why? No, because I don't know if it's Negro or Negro. So the whole time Vinny Del Negro played in the NBA, you never said his name once? That's all I can say.

Okay. Because that's two last names. Go with Negro. It's I. It's N-I. It feels dirty. That's i it's ni it feels dirty that's don't say it then it's elizabeth thank you thanks elizabeth darren me hall uh nedro what is it nedro maybe that's what it is yeah so it's it's a g and i'm not saying it i hope so i already said it so it doesn't matter ty jagger or jaeger it's probably ja probably Jaeger, right? Probably. Yeah, yeah. Alexis Laster. Naima Shea.

Corinne Cox. Lisa Jensen. Elizabeth Holzkamper. Jesus. Ryan Sweet. Jessica Fantaccione. Nice. I think so.

Nice. I like it. K.P. Drebel. Miles Barron. Lauren Demerath. Esme Snipes. Was it Sipes? Saups. Fuck. Is it Snipes? rebel uh miles miles baron uh lauren demirath ask me snipes was it sipes soaps fuck is it snipes fuck it's s me that's what it is uh mike jones yeah mike jones test divine steven rude george wilson hayley marbled ashley vo uh grace brunais uh Emily Grace, Brittany and Patrick.

I forget their last names. They told me, I believe. God damn it. Thank you both so much. And happy birthday to Charm. Charm Hires. Her name is the most difficult name ever. But thank you guys all so much.

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. We cannot thank you guys enough for everything you do. We're blown away we really are it's true we always say it and it sounds cheesy but we don't know what else to say because we're fucking shocked and we're just unbelievably grateful and we don't just say thank you to say thank you no it's definitely we it's not lip service we really really mean it what if

somebody wanted to thank you jimmy how could they do that you can find me at wisman sucks whisman sucks on twitter instagram snapchat thank you guys so much for everything uh truly uh changing uh the the course and trajectory of my life thank you where can they tell you absolutely guys you've fuck you changed both our lives so thank you very much you can find me at jimmy p is funny or just copy and paste my last name from the show description onto whatever you're searching on or in or whatever because you're going to spell it wrong otherwise. So just do that and keep coming back every week. Thank you guys for hanging in there on this particularly brutal episode.

It's a particularly crazy one. Maybe we'll try to get back to some just wild panhandle behavior, trailer park insanity next week with very little sexual content. Maybe we'll go there. I'm not sure yet. We'll see how sexual content. Maybe we'll go there. Not sure yet. We'll see how it goes. Maybe it'll be worse. We don't know.

Possum copulation. It's going to be po-po-po-cu-posculation. Po-po-cu-posculation. Fuck that. Until next week, everybody. It's been our pleasure. Bye. Hey, Prime members, you can listen to Small Town Murder early and ad-free on Amazon Music.

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