Small Town Murder - #108 - Love Triangle Plus Two in Logan, Ohio

Episode Date: February 28, 2019

This week, in Logan, Ohio, a young couple has many problems, most of which are enhanced by living with the husband's family for years. This leads to fights, and eventually a nasty divorce. Eventually, one of them, moves on to another relationship, and just when all seems settled, one of the parties disappears, and the hunt is on. What follows is a messy situation, somehow turned into a bigger mess.Along the way, we find out that the washboard is still used as a musical instrument in some places, at what point is having a few people over considered a "church", and how many witnesses can be ignored by the police in a one hour period!!Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman New episodes every Thursday! Donate at: patreon.com/crimeinsports or go to paypal.com & use our email: [e-mail] Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder & Crime In Sports! Follow us on... twitter.com/@murdersmall facebook.com/smalltownpod instagram.com/smalltownmurder Also, check out James & Jimmie's other show, Crime In Sports! On iTunes, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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That's right. Let's do this. Let's go on a trip, Jimmy. Please. What do you say? Let's go here. We're going to head to the Midwest. Back to the Midwest. So we've been kind of bouncing back and forth. We were in obviously California last week in the last two weeks. So we need to get a little Midwest grounded here.

So we are going to go to this is as Midwest as you get. Really? Right here. Oh, this is like, I'm surprised presidential candidates don't just sit in this town. This is the town they need to swing every year. It's in Ohio, so there you go. Yeah, exactly.

This is as middle America as it gets. We're going to Logan, Ohio here. It's in South Central Ohio, kind of off to the east a little bit, but in Southern Ohio, it's outside of Columbus, about almost an hour outside of Columbus. So it's not, you know, and Columbus isn't the biggest city.

Capital, but not the biggest city. So it's, you know, it's one of those things where it's kind of out there. It's three hours to Cleveland, two hours and 20 minutes to Cincinnati. So it's right in the middle, away from those two, you know, the big cities there. About two hours to Waynesville, which our last indiana episode episode 69 was it that long ago it was a lot longer almost a year ago so uh we need to get another ohio in there right you ohioans murder the shit out of each other luckily for us so uh it's in hoocking County, like hocking something up out of yourself. H-O-C-K? H-O-C-K. Yuck.

You are in need of some sort of quick money, and you have something valuable. That's usually H-A-W-K, isn't it? Yeah, I think it's Hawk. But it's the same sound. Yeah, whatever. Whatever. Zip code 4-3-1-3-8. Area code 7-4-0.

It's about five square miles, so it a kind of an average size town with average stuff going on it's as we'll see this is very middle america motto here uh the pearl of central ohio oh which that's not actually their motto but you believed it right they don't have a motto use that who cares it's fine it's as good as anything else and boring it's a you went oh all right put that on your website at the top. Who gives a shit? It's better than nothing. Just a blank space. I mean, it could be. I don't know. They have caves

there. What is the slogan of Ohio? Do we even know that? It's the Buckeye State. It is, isn't it? Yeah, the Buckeye State. Is that what it is? Because ours is like, it's the Grand Canyon State, but there's a slogan for it, too. Oh, there's a slogan. Shit knows if there's a slogan. I wonder what it is.

I don't know. I don't even know. Who knows? I didn't know Arizona had a slogan. I don't know anything about it. Of course it does. I think they all have one separate from what they put on their license plates. Yeah, probably.

I think that's true. They all have like an E Pluribus Unum stuck in there, I'm sure. Is Land of Enchantment on New Mexico's plate? It's on their license plates. Is this? Okay. Yeah. I don't know.

But that's like New York's the Empire State. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is the Grand Canyon State. Missouri's the Show Me State. It's all that shit. There's more their license plate. Is this? Okay. Yeah. I don't know. But that's like New York's the Empire State. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is the Grand Canyon State. Missouri's the Show Me State and all that shit. There's more of that shit. That's like their little- Yeah, their little whatever. It's on their license plate.

You know, the Keystone State or whatever. What is that one? Pennsylvania. Okay. Yeah, so. Is that where the beer's from? Probably. I'm sure.

It's the Keystone State. So, I don't know. I don't know. I think it's brewed by Coors. Yes. Maybe. It's a bunch of beer. But I mean, who knows where it came from originally.

Right. Before Coors bought it and put it under their corporate umbrella. That's a good point. Some asshole brewing it in his Pennsylvania apartment. That's what I mean. Some shithole. Like, Rolling Rock is Latrobe, Pennsylvania. That's not owned by some little company anymore.

Is that really from Pennsylvania, too? It's on the bottle. I don't fucking know. It's from Latrobe, Pennsylvania. I've drank a ton of that garbage. I've drank. Alcoholism runs rampant through Pennsylvania. My family's from there, and they make up a chunk of it.

So I can say that for a fact. These are people with kegs at home. They just have beer taps going all the time. They like to drink. So Logan's the county seat of Hocken County. Really? Ooh, yeah. I forget what that means.

They keep the records there remember that people fight over that people have fought and died for paper that's what happens blood on these papers blood on these papers it makes them important uh residents apparently named the town in honor of chief logan who was of the mingo or minjo i'm not sure indian tribe it's mingo i think it's mingo too he was known as logan the orator oh. Or the Orator. He was the guy that spoke. He's speaking. He was a Cuyahoga guy. He was a leader. He was born into the Iroquois Confederacy, which was a bunch of these six nations together.

He moved in the 1760s to the Ohio area and became affiliated with the Mingo tribe. He also he took revenge for family members who were killed by white settlers in Virginia. He was ruthless. He was ruthless. Yeah. This was known as the Yellow Creek Massacre. So he orchestrated a massacre and his actions against them helped spark another war.

The Dunmore War later on in that year. This is awesome. Right before. orchestrated a massacre and his actions against them helped spark uh another war the dunmore war later on in that year this is awesome right before you don't hear much about that shit because this is like 1774 and 1775 oh something major happened right after overshadowed slightly you know these little skirmishes that are going on are way overshadowed by how fascinating fighting an empire we've got a a country who's like we're claiming this country at that point oh yeah meanwhile they're all being slaughtered by the indigenous people of the land they get slaughtered and then the the the the white people go back the europeans go back and they get a whole shitload of guys when they overrun it it's that's how hilarious that they're

claiming it while their people are being slaughtered like no no we're fine that shit's flying at them people are charging no it's good we're fine this is ours we're writing a declaration while heads are being chopped off everything's good

that's amazing you know what that's very midwestern of them honestly everything's fine nope I didn't see an arrow fly by me no not at all it's our place

I have no idea what you're talking about this is fine this is good everything's good we're talking about. This is ours. This is fine. This is good. Everything's good. We're enjoying it here. Life is good. How fucked up is England? Yeah.

That's what, we were fine with that. Yeah. A hatchet just benosed me. Yeah. And I'd still rather be here. That's right. That's amazing. That's amazing. So, in 1869, which is right after the Civil War, there's another war for you, the U.S. government, Jesus Christ, the U.S. government had the Indians in this area removed and taken to Oklahoma.

Yeah. And just put there, basically. Not put on a chartered nice flight. No, there was three tribes around there, and they were all moved to Ottawa County, Oklahoma. there and they were all moved to ottawa county oklahoma and in 1881 a band of coyugas uh from canada joined the seneca tribe there and uh and shortly before oklahoma became a state they uh they they gave all these a bunch of these people members of these tribes uh individual land allotments and basically they tried to they're the american government was trying to get rid of the tribal owned lands like never mind your tribe we'll give you know you and then you and you all

separate lands they're trying to basically uh force the idea of personal land ownership onto them because that wasn't an idea that the native americans had at the time i don't think they have that still there wasn't a like i own this lot of land that's not how they thought of shit back then so they were trying to introduce that you know commerce to them basically i think they still uh believe that that we're just here borrowing and we're supposed to keep it the way it was when we got here that's a very upbeat way of looking at it yeah so uh logan chief logan became known for a speech later known as Logan's Lament, where he, after the war, you know, the war that happened over his massacre. Sure.

Over that, he made a big speech, and then people started calling him the orator after that. Got it. Because he was so goddamn good. He had a thought, and he articulated it. He's an articulate motherfucker. Yeah. So, yeah, in 1880, this is interesting.

1880, there was 2,600 people living here. And they had three newspaper offices, six churches, two banks, a railroad that passed through there. Manufacturing businesses. They had a railroad that was a big employer. And an iron and steel company also that was a big employer. Great. Now, I found some records from back then, which is fucking awesome, which has the values, the total values of certain things, like in amounts of money that the town has. Is this the equivalent of the sales?

This is the town's records of everything. The first thing I found in this record which is amazing is number of sheep killed by dogs they could keep track of in 1882 395 sheep were killed by dogs in a town of 2500 people how the hell that seems like an excessive amount of dog murder on sheep dog on sheep violence that seems like a lot seems like they just pass a law. Yeah. It was just very predatory here. Put some leashes on those fucking things. Jesus Christ. There's no fences, but fuck me.

How many vicious sheep-killing dogs do we have out here? My dogs, I don't think would kill the sheep. They'd just walk up to them and be like, what the hell are you? I don't think they'd attack them and take them down. Frank might lick it. Yeah. Benny would be very excited to see him. He'd be polite.

Yeah. The value of the sheep were $1,448 of the dead sheep. For 300 of them? For 395 sheep. Oh, almost 400. Number of injured sheep, 259. Damage to the injured sheep, $599. What is it?

Collection from dog tax is $2,710. For a year? For a year. And so that's there. They talk about the births here. White males, 276. White females, 294. Black males, 13.

Black females, 6. That's there. How many sheep? Don't say how many sheep are born. Only murdered by dogs. That's the only important stat they have. That's the only thing they give a shit about. That's there. How many sheep? Don't say how many sheep are born. Only murdered by dogs. That's the only important stat they have. That's the only thing they give a shit about. That's it.

Now they have a category called pauperism, which is amazing. Males in infirmary. I guess these are sick people that have no money. 47. Females, 58. Number admitted during the year, 35 males, 41 females. They have paupers, otherwise supported by the county. 40 males and 54 females.

I guess this is like their welfare role. Got it. Because these are non-hospitalized people here. Total number of all paupers, $275. They're wards. They're wards of the county. Cost of keeping the infirmary to the county, $7,205. What a deal.

That's amazing. For hospital costs, you know? I bet it's the same today. But they just charge you a lot. Yeah, they just charge you a lot more. Cost of keeping the paupers alive, I suppose. It just says cost of keeping other paupers. I don't know.

Keeping them like they're rabbits in a cage. What the fuck is that? $3,756.72. So that's not bad to take care of all the poor people pretty good it's not too shabby cost of all paupers including medical and everything else over to almost 11 000 17 cents is the cost per pauper per day to the jesus to the county they break it down to that that's a great deal yeah it's not too that's not bad at all better than uh adopting an african child that's yeah on tv yeah the 37 cents a day or whatever it is yeah 37 to the old

sally struthers commercials or uh the total deaths 192 uh marriages 285 uh white marriages, seven black marriages. They had 350 mortgages recorded for $2.5 million in mortgages put there. So not too bad there. I find this shit so interesting. I love that you found this. This is so fucking cool here. There's all sorts of tax information. The dog

tax a little more. Dog tax, $1 per capita is $1,681. so i think that's they had 1681 dogs yeah so that's one one each so now we know how many dogs there were they had a poor tax which i guess was to take care of the aforementioned paupers they made 12 grand off that uh they had a bridge tax a road tax a township tax a sub-district tax so you were being taxed back whenever people are like there was no taxes back it's bullshit there was no tax for everything you were taxed for fucking everything because otherwise nothing got paid for they just told you what each and every

dollar was going to now there's they do now they just don't know it because there's so much you can't look at every nut and bolt of the federal budget you're gonna you can look at it if you want i'm sure but you're going to get through it very far before you go, I don't fucking care anymore. Whatever. How much? Whatever. I don't care.

How much is my share? Do I have to not look at it? If I could not look at it anymore, I'll just pay what you say I owe at this point. I'm tired. The poor tax, they were making more money than it was costing them for paupers. Yes, to $12,000 a ton.

They made a profit on a popper profit. I got a popper profit right there. We need more poppers because we're going to need a couple bucks on the side. Yeah, we can siphon some cash off. Now they have personal property here, money and credits. Number of horses, 4,895. That's a lot. That's a lot of horses.

Value of horses, 283,000. So you know how much a horse was worth back then. They had 12,242 cattle, 268 mules, 86,996 sheep. That's why they didn't notice all those sheep being killed that much by dogs and didn't give a shit. Because they had a shitload. A lot of them. A lot of sheep. 6,752 hogs, 705 carriages.

They have the number of watches in the town. Back in the day, they used to go through. How can you count all that? Well, they used to go through and assess everything for tax purposes. I remember, the only reason I know this is from A Christmas Story, is how stupid I am, the movie. Remember in A Christmas Story, was it A Christmas Story? It was one of those, I don't think it was A Christmas Story.

One of those movies where the tax guy was coming, everybody like hiding their shit like oh we're poor we don't have anything they like they used to take they used to take inventory of everything you had is that why there's sales tax now so you don't have to have that fucker in your house i suppose or people just i don't know what the hell happened otherwise i mean why would you give a fuck about my how many what i paid taxes when i bought that god damn thing maybe they yeah they didn't then so number of watches 658 watches in the whole place out of 2600 people it's not a lot of watches uh number of pianos and organs 415 there's almost as many pianos and organs as fucking watches in this town what is happening what this is motown fucking proper here what is going on it's impressive this is that's a lot yeah uh during the late 19th century a lot of coal mining here is mainly

coal mining into the 20th century there's plenty of coal mining here in this county that's where main most of the jobs ended up it was a these are hard ironworks coal mining this is a hard scrabble shit here yeah you got to be tough you know fucking yeah you're just yeah you're a callous handed son of a bitch yeah not bad now i found some current alerts on the town website right now in case you're going in case you're planning right now going there yeah absolutely okay uh boil alerts are in effect ew which means you got to boil your water before you can do anything with it. Oh, that's what it means. Because it's fucked up. Even grosser, actually. I was thinking, like, people

had boils. Oh, God. That's amazing. Boil alert. They're broken out all over town. Don't drink the water. Don't kiss anybody. But actually, boil your water or else you'll get boils. Or else it'll be all over you. Jesus. Head to toe. That's a boil alert. That's a boil alert. That's gross.

There are boil alerts in effect for the following locations. Edge Hill Drive, Edge Hill Circle, Belva Court, Pine Ridge Apartments, and Vine Street from Edge Hill to Zanesville. These boil alerts are in effect until further notice. That is disgusting. Your water's fucked up so boil it. We don't know when it's going to be fixed.

What? Why would... No. Why would you live there? Make sure to check the town website before you take a drink if you're from this area, by the way. It's like a snow day. Two-hour delay this morning in Vine Street, Edge Hill. That is so gross. Also on the county site here is they have dog tag winners. Number one dog tag winner.

And it's this year's dog tags winner this is on their town website they're all free tags this is right under the boil alert okay which is super important boil your water or you'll die that's pretty important and then they have dog tag winners directly below it uh these this year's winners are number one dog is zoe yeah owner is a woman named candy mullins candy will receive a free lifetime dog tag. Great. She won't have to renew with the city.

Boil her water. But boil up. Boil up, Candy, before you feed, give little Zoe any water. Yeah, don't give Zoe any water. It's probably a little tiny dog. Number two dog is Woody.

Yeah. Owner is Bobby Bishop. Bobby will receive a $30 gift certificate to the Millstone Restaurant. This is right below boil your fucking water or you will get sick. This is right below. Boil your fucking water or you will get sick.

This is just as important. Or almost. Here's a $30 gift card to a restaurant where we don't know if they boiled their water. Good luck. Hope it's not one of those places. Dog number three is Bear. Owner Charles Ode. Charles will receive a $25 gift certificate

to the Hungry Buffalo Restaurant. Right below, boil your water. Right below, don't die. We're giving away, we gave $50 away. That's it. That's it. And then lifetime tags. $55.

$55. The tag is free. And lifetime tags. That's the whole. The dog. Why don't you give them like two years of free tags just put that above the water because that's what you really care about yeah i care about those dogs resident and no pictures of the dogs that won these tags that's the other thing too have a

picture of the fucking dog if you're gonna tell us about it why'd it win this dog's great and it won a prize fucking show me how cute it is i like dogs show me how cute your goddamn dogs are if they're so fucking special show earn your lifetime dog tag you motherfucker all right i got a resident review all these are the best yeah uh quote logan is a lot like uh a lot of a lot less like a lot like a lot of other small towns start that over no why they say a lot twice in one sentence logan is a lot like a lot of other small towns. Yeah, that's confusing. That's why I'm like, this can't be correct.

It has that small town family feel, and everyone knows everyone. There's a lot of drugs. Oh. That's the small town family feel. It seems like every other person here is involved in drugs or crime, and everyone has at least one relative that's addicted to something. Sounds great. It's also very narrow-minded and sheltered town,

and there's not much diversity here. Two stars. Sounds like his dog lost. They lost. Two stars. He lives somewhere, though they do live somewhere where they don't have to boil the water, so that's the extra star. That's not bad.

People, 7,030 people population right now. It's up 6% since 1990. People with a lot of extra pots and pans i guess to get their water boiling median age here is almost 40 39.6 which is about two years older than normal most of the ages though are pretty on point you know a little skewed here and there but nothing crazy uh female population is actually almost 54 which is way out of whack considering that the ages aren't. Usually it's only when it's older people.

Yeah. You get that when there's more older people. Married population is a little less than normal. So single is a little more, obviously. Single with no children, though, is less than normal. How about that? So, yeah, it's a little weird. Single with children, a little bit higher.

Okay. So you'll get married. You will get divorced. And the are the divorce rates higher here okay and you will have kids if you don't boil my water i will divorce right and then you'll you'll go to the bar looking for more people who are single with children so uh race of this town 95.2 percent white pretty fucking white yeah this is a white town. As the snow. As the snow. 0.81% black.

0.44% Asian. Oh. So nothing. That's not a lot at all. It's usually 5%. Not even half of 1%. Not even half of 1%. It's Hispanic.

1.61%. This is very Ohio. This shit is white. Yeah, it's hispanic 1.61 this is very ohio this shit is white yeah it's it's very white 25 religious here which is half the norm yeah it's usually 50 which is you know right away i'm like this is awesome right which is weird because our story involves some kind of weird religion in a way so it's interesting here uh and it's they're spread out there's some methodist lutheran you know a couple of catholics nothing nothing really dominates the religious spectrum here just not jewish that's 0.0 percent

not a one of them no 0.0 percent muslim all different sects but they're all kind of walking toward the same destination everybody here i feel like yeah so uh the uh politics in this town 29 voted democrat in the last election and 66 voted republican so it's a conservative when they show the maps on election day and you see like all the columbus is all blue around there this is the red parts around columbus that's the they go these columbus suburbs and outside and outskirts this place. That's what they're talking about here. But for good or bad, that's the way Ohio is. That's the way it is in this place.

So unemployment rate here is pretty normal. It's about 5%, which is a little high. Right now we're at about 4% in the country. Yeah, 3.9%. It's going up? It's going down. Well, 3.9%. Wasn't it 3.7% recently?

That fluctuates day to day with that kind of month to month with a point two percent but it's it's still that's uh we're getting to the point where it's tipping point the other direction got it mathematically okay you need more people to to need work to make shit work anyway uh household income here normal in the country is about 54 000 here it is 35 000 okay so income is low as well uh 22.5 percent make under 15 000 a year almost a fourth of the town almost a quarter of the town makes under 15 000 a year so that's that tells you a little something that's i mean i'm sure i don't know that't know. They're just broke. It seems that's tough. Are they all paupers?

Well, no. They're all paupers. This town's a pauper town. Logan, Ohio. Pau-hio. Pauperville, the pauper of central Ohio. I can change the logo or the motto. There's also way less people that make under $100,000 than there usually is here.

And yeah, it's tough, too. When you look at the jobs, they're all kind of on point with the averages, this much retail trade, jobs, this much health care, but there just seems to be less money here. Good Christ. Yeah, cost of living, $100,000 as the normal average regular. Here, it's $89,000. So you look at that, you're like like low income but regular cost of living that's not good at all it's a bad thing but housing is low housing is a 65 out of 100 median home cost here is 121 700 still can't do it that's still tough on if you're making under 15 000 a year

a lot of the houses are between 60 and 150 000 there's a good chunk about half the houses are in that range and if we've convinced you oh you need to go slow it down a little bit yeah head to logan ohio step back in time step back in time we have for you the logan ohio real estate report your average two-bedroom rental here is about 830 which seems high it does for the cost of living uh three-bedroom two-bath home i found here 1200 square feet it's a little run down it's got some issues you know it's not not perfect but it's 3636,000. You can do that. So you can make that work and put some cash into it. Found a three-bedroom, two-bath, 1,893-square-foot house. Needs a paint job. The paint's kind of peely on the outside and shit.

Good bones, though. It's got like a separate garage, and it's got a nice big front porch and shit like that. $99,900 for almost 1,900 square feet. I just keep thinking about that person making under 15 grand. That's tough. Well, they wouldn't be buying anything. To rent, though, at 800 bucks? You've got to work two months to pay one month's rent.

No shit. I found a six-bedroom, two-bath, 2,518-square-foot house. It's nice. It's got vinyl siding and shit like that, but it's a nice house. $199,900. So that's pretty good. You can have an assload of kids there and plop them into that house and still afford it. You're the richest in town. Yeah, if you own the

fucking, I don't even know, Iron Works or whatever. Things to do in this town. This is my favorite. I love these. This is right off the site here. Every year on Father's Day weekend, the downtown streets of Logan, Ohio, come alive with the celebration of the washboard. Oh. Logan is the home of the...

Hold on. Oh, yeah. Oh, boy. You know it. Home of the Columbus Washboard Company, the only remaining washboard manufacturing company in the U.S., you you know because people don't use fucking washboards anymore because we got us a fucking washing machine we got us a fancy machine that done turn the clothes around and around wouldn't you have loved to see the face of the fucking guy making those when they told him about maytash shit really no that won't last get the fuck out

of people like to rub their clothes back and forth on a metal surface. It's never going to change. What the hell are these dumb women going to do? It's never going to change. They can't figure out machines and such. I ain't doing the laundry. No, no. Washboard's going to be fine.

Now, washboards continue to be used as instruments of laundry day in some parts of the world, not civilized ones, and they add decorative value to many homes what hillbill hill homes maybe staple it to the wall the wonderful whites of west virginia the only way that a washboard is useful today is for hillbilly bands that's it next line but this artifact of the ages is more known as the source of that toe tap and rhythm coming from jug bands and dixieland groups throughout the country it all began in rural america in the mid-1800s where music was a centerpiece of family entertainment entertainment but money was scarce so the washboard an empty jug along with a stick and a string attached to

a metal tub turned upside down became the back backwoods answer to Saturday night at Carnegie Hall. This is on their fucking site. Saturday night at Carnegie Hall. Or a washboard. That's the equivalent. Yeah. Same thing. Thunk, thunk, thunk, thunk. That's the equivalent yeah same thing that's the alternative that's it all right uh modified to form a vest that hangs from the

shoulders that same raspy sound of energy became the source of rhythm for cajun music throughout the bayou yes the washboard is certainly king of this festival, but you will also discover that hometown feeling of community pride showcasing arts, crafts, food, a tractor show, the pride Jimmy in the tractor show, and a parade, as well as activities for the kids, all of which are

continually upgrading to keep the fest fresh and interesting for all ages. Welcome to Logan, the heart of beautiful Hking hills and enjoy ohio's most unique festival oh boy holy balls no i want nothing to do with your fucking festival i don't know what to say about that that's what it doesn't even need commentary it's the only one left that's it one place there they are and they make them specifically so a bunch of hillbillies can sit around and go, ain't this music great?

And drag a spoon across it. Yeah. Jesus Christ. I love when things are so funny, we don't even have to say anything. We just read it and then just go, yeah. Let's giggle. Come on. Yeah, let's just giggle for a while, because that's ridiculous.

How dumb. Sometimes shit writes itself. They got to really start thinking of some shit to sell, because that is dumb. That sounds bad. That seems useless. How many antique shops can you sell those things to? How many washboards in this? That's what I want to know.

What's the washboard? I want to know watches, pianos, and organs, and washboards in this town right now. Crime rate here, property crime crime is double the average. So they will steal your washboard. That's why they're nailing it to the wall so nobody steals it. That's the only reason why. Display it, otherwise it'll disappear.

Fuck yeah. Violent crime, murder, rape, robbery, and of course assault. Don't forget assault. The Mount Rushmore of crime is about 10% under the average nationally. So it's pretty close there. But double property.

Strap it to your chest. Yeah. Someone's going to fucking steal it So it's pretty close there, but double property. That's why you don't strap it to your chest. Yeah, someone's going to fucking steal it so it's hanging from your shoulders. In the form of a vest. Oh my God. Nothing worse than a washboard vest. You got a washboard stomach there, I know. Well, listen.

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and watching along with Part 2 as it airs on Max, starting April 21st. Bye-bye. The official Jinx podcast. listen on max or wherever you get your podcasts uh so let's talk about a murder i would love to yeah i think it's time here uh murder time uh let's talk about a couple here that lived in this area for a while uh william and sandra inman we'll talk about bill and sandy Sandy they go by. Oh, Bill and Sandy. They sound like a Midwestern couple.

Salt of the Earth kind of couple here. Bill and Sandy Inman, they have a son named William Jr. As we know from crime and sports, that is a bad sign. Well, I mean, we don't know anything now, but it's never good. They're always going to be either a victim, a perpetrator.

They're going to be involved in something. Crime will touch their life. Yes. If you name them junior, it's just, they can't help it too. That's the thing. It's just an,

it's not even, it's genetics. It overcomes genetics, environment, everything, and just takes it all over. He goes by Willie. Okay.

So, uh, Bill and Willie are dad and son here. Uh, Bill, Sandy and Willie are the family. People who knew them describe Willie as a kind of a spoiled kid always. And kind of always just very spoiled. Wanted his way with his parents and wanted to be kind of a, you know, just that kid.

There's a lot of those kids that grow up like that. Now, he grows up with them and they're religious, the family. Oh, no. But they're not like they're organized religious, but they kind of like want to have their own thing. Like he wants to be a preacher. I want to be preachers. Never a good thing. Like that's almost something you should fall into.

Or be court ordered. Like people need to go. We would like to hear you tell us things about shit. And that's when you like anyone who has ambition to do something like that. That should be voted by the congregation. The people should be like, did y'all hear Bill talk about Ecclesiastes? Amazing. This is fucking amazing.

You know what? This Sunday, it's his time to shine. No one's ever started to try to be a comedian unless, if no one ever told them they were funny. You know, someone had to, a bunch of people went, you're pretty funny. Maybe I should be a comedian. unless if no one ever told them they were funny you know someone had a bunch of people went you're pretty funny right maybe i should be a comedian am i funny i'm gonna go find out i'll try right this is different this is just someone just completely unfunny was like i'm gonna be a comedian i've never made a soul laugh this is a preacher man going you know what to hell with god i'm gonna go uh work for uh uh drink tickets and a slice of pizza i can can do it.

I think that's better. You know what? I would pay to watch that. I'd pay to watch a preacher man just go up and try. Do the open mic circuit. And then be like, now I'm going to pass around the collection plate. I would love a preacher open mic circuit. That's right. I would go to preacher open mics.

If there was just like everybody gets seven minutes, they give them the flashlight from the back of the room and they get seven minutes to turn you to the word of whatever their crazy religion is. It could be anything. That's the thing. You're trying to just like anyone's crazy act. Turn me to your way of thinking. And I just sit there and drink and eat like chicken wings. And you try to spout your bullshit.

No one cares. And then you eat a free slice of pizza and go home sad. See if you're still a christian after this show i would watch that if that goes on anywhere let me know because i'm going to come watch like a better than open mic comedy by far it would crush open mics it would kill them which is basically four people would have to show up that aren't comedians exactly to crush an open mic so that's how that works now in uh in 2004 his son is now an adult, and his son ends up growing up here and finding, before 2004, he finds a girl named Summer Cook, and they hook up, and they end up getting

married, and they're young. They're very young. She's 20 when they meet, or 19 when they meet, 20 when they get married. So it's a kind of a... Fiery. It's a John Cougar Mellencamp situation here. Good job. Right there in Ohio. But it's in the early 2000s and this is whatever.

So then they start having kids also right away. They end up having three kids that are spaced two years apart pretty much. They're like at 1.13 and five. So now she's 26 and has three kids. At one point she's 25 and has three kids oh boy uh so a couple years before that though in 2004 yeah uh in 2004 she's 20 years old and they she just hooks up with willie and uh uh bill he's trying to be a preacher like we said here he likes to he hangs out at the faith tabernacle church in logan and he's like uh he plays the piano there i want that written down one of those fucking pianos and he also plays the

guitar and he's like you know he does kind of he's kind of the music guy okay you know the old lady playing an organ on the simpsons or whatever that's that's what we have here he's he's him but uh after a while he he uh he he married him and Sandy have been together since 1983, by the way. That's William Senior and Sandy. 21 goddamn years. 21 years at this point. But back then, he always tried to kind of set up his own congregation. He's kind of had a bunch of false starts and setups and fails.

And it's hard to get people to think that you know what's happening in the universe. Yeah. up his own congregation yeah he's kind of had a bunch of false starts and setups and fails and it's hard to get people to think that you know what's happening in the universe yeah you you know what god thinks and what'll happen when when they die and you gotta fucking supposed to convince someone of that it's a lot to get across and where are you gonna get those people because uh you probably run across them at church you're gonna have to steal them from that church yeah you're poaching now you're an asshole. Now you're poaching. Now you're an asshole. Yeah, now you're poaching.

It's a tough thing. It's a tough sell. It's a tough sell. I know more than he does. You've got to get them under you and your pyramid. And it's a very difficult thing. Is that how it works? I don't know anything about religion.

I'm sorry. It's kind of the same thing. Well, I think I've seen documentaries and crossed them. I'm not sure. It's possible. So anyway, yeah, they do this now in early 2000s. They have Summer and and Willie living with them. Also, they Summer and Willie always live with with William and Sandy. Always.

They always hang out there for some reason. I don't know. It's a it's a money thing they're a young married couple that has kids early and they don't make a lot of money uh this is we'll find out she like cleans banks at night that's her job and uh and we'll find out from his income he doesn't have much of an income here as well uh now like we said they end up having three kids they always live there now uh in 2004 they have a home in rural Hawking County here, and he converts his garage into a church. Bill does, the father, William Sr.

Converts his garage into a church, and he's like, eh? Yep. There it is. There it is. I built it. Got me a temple. I built it. They're going to come.

Cosner told me so. And he stands there with his arms crossed. And nobody shows up. It just kind of sits. Can you back the car out, Bill? Somebody, can we put a sign on the lawn? Is that a thing? Are we allowed?

Like a garage sale? We can nail some shit to the trees around. Tell you what, I will plaster the neighbor's tractor at the next show. Okay, let's do it. Everybody will know. We'll hand out flyers at the washboard festival everyone gonna be there it's gonna be good put my face on a washboard we will have a congregation it's gonna do it now so uh at one point uh the whole clan here uh after

this the whole clan around 2005 moves down to flor. William and Sandra, apparently he thinks there's a lot of construction work down there. And so he goes down there. William and Senior and Sandra and Willie and Summer all move down there. They all head down to Florida with their kids, William and Summer's new kids, new baby and everything. They all go down there. or William and Summer's new kids, new baby and everything. They all go down there. They live down there for two years where William Sr. and Jr. both do some construction work.

They end up, though, having a hard time in Florida and losing a home that they had in Arcadia, Florida, to foreclosure. Oh, and this is right around that fucking housing crisis. They went in 2005. 2007, they got foreclosed on. They got shut out. So, yeah, this is right in the... And also, they're construction workers with a mortgage. Oh, Jesus. That's brutal in 2008.

So, yeah, they lost work and their home in 2008 and had to return up to Ohio. It's easier. It's cheaper. It's where they know whatever. So, they returned to ohio in mid 2008 this is they went to florida for more than a year yeah and came back home without a meth addiction nothing they're doing amazing i mean right there yeah the story as far as i'm concerned they're winning the story's looking better and sunnier than it usually is for for us honestly no one's

we've spent time in florida no one's got a meth addiction good job no one right no one was stabbed by a by an alligator i don't know how an alligator would stab you but you know what it's florida who fucking knows it's on bath salts or something of course it can stab you i want to see if anyone does art i want to see a bath salt just a an alligator hopped up on bath salts threatening you with a blade. That's what I want to see. I'll get that tattooed. That's hot shit.

Someone get that tattooed because that should be on Florida's state flag. Hell yeah, it should. Just stay back. The meth falcon in the back with a thought bubble above it and the N-word. Yeah, perfect. Florida. Come to Florida, everyoneword. Yeah, perfect. Florida. Come to Florida, everyone. Visit Kissimmee.

Visit sunny Orlando. Fort Lauderdale, Tampa, Jacksonville, Miami, Hollywood, Florida. Come down. Visit Universal Studios. Holy shit. Come to Florida. So, yeah, they come back uh there to ohio and bill gets a minister's license okay but william senior i didn't know you needed a minister's license

to just tell people you need a license to tell people about maybe you know what it might be for people it might be for that yeah it might be for. Or it also might be some sort of thing for the tax-exempt status, possibly. I was just going to say that. Oh, tax-exempt. To be a church, to be tax-exempt. Maybe they have to license you statewide. There you go. You just can't be some jerk off.

Yeah, I got a church. It's tax-exempt. And you're selling. Afraid of Jesus and shit. You're selling Coke and fucking writing it off as income from donations to the church tax rate. We're snorting the body of Christ. It's a good idea. Someone do that scam, but don't say I told you to do it.

But do it, because I want to know if it works. He could tack boiled water up on the roof and people will show up. It's fine. They come for the washboards, they stay for the boiled water. That's how it works. Punch made after we boil. That's right. Now, his license is revoked after a while, and it's permanently revoked.

I don't know what you have to do to get your license permanently revoked, but we don't know. That doesn't come up. He doesn't care, though. He's building this thing. He's building something that he calls Mercy Ranch. That's what he's calling his house. Mercy Ranch. And he says he wants to minister to orphans, widows and the homeless.

Yeah, that says it's Mercy Ranch. He's going for the week and, you know, people in need of help. He says, quote, desperate, the desperate. Yeah, these are people that I might be able to bullshit. I might be able to throw one by, you know, an orphan. That's a child. Someone who's homeless, who's's like you'll give me a place to stay and food i'll listen or a widow who's just kind of distraught with the universe right now

why'd you why'd you take my harry and then she he comes in and fuck here we go oh boy people just looking for answers what's yeah anybody anybody he says it's his this is what he wrote on the incorporation document filed with the ohio secretary of state's office he wrote quote to help people who has lost their jobs he wrote that on a fucking document asking to be incorporated to help people who has lost their jobs or been cut back on hours keep their homes so that's what he's trying to do that's what he says and that's that's what this area is kind of all about is they just want to have jobs and keep their fucking homes and that's that's what they're trying to do here and because it's a hard scrabble little bit economy that is impressive that's impressive impressively dumb how do you say how do you write

that and then the clerk not go i I think we have a misspelling? He handed this to a man who was at least business casual. He was wearing Dockers at the very least or a woman dressed nicely or whatever. Whoever he was handing this to, they did their hair. They combed it that morning. They did whatever they had to do to be at that office. And he said, I'd like to give this to people who has lost their jobs. Everything's on the up and up here.

That's right. So I'll be getting that incorporation document and settling right into some donations pretty soon. You betcha. You are impressively educated. You put pen to paper and wrote letters. I'm impressed he found an application, filled it out, and handed it to somebody, honestly. How did they not just slide it back and be like, start over?

Hey, dummy. First of all, Do this one again. It's a nice idea. You ain't got no fucking money, and you can't spell, and you don't know words. You should definitely preach words to people.

See you at the Washboard Festival. At least you don't have to make up the words. That's true. They're already in the book. That's a fact. Now, to fund this whole thing, he set out to sell $10 raffle tickets, promising on a website to award a new home or $200,000 in lieu of a new home, whichever comes first, in lieu of a new home,

whichever comes first, apparently, and 99 other big ticket prizes in September of that year, once 100,000 tickets had been sold and $1 million had been raised. Okay. So he says, I'm going to raise $1 million, and then we're going to raffle off a house and fucking a bunch of other shit.

Yeah. That equal $900,000. How many tickets did he sell, James? We don't know. Not a million dollars worth. And it doesn't quite work out. Right. People kind of come and they stay for a little while and they go.

But they're like, this is kind of stupid. Yeah. He's just not good at this. He's not. He's not. Charles Manson. He's not. We'll put it that way.

It's not good at bringing people to the flock, really. Now, Summer and Willie's begin to have problems at this point. Yeah. They have three kids. They're a young couple. problems at this point yeah they have three kids they're a young couple they're like 25 years old with three kids and that's hard enough as it's on its on its surface this is kind of like when in the florida case with meth falcon right three kid meth falcon there that whole thing it's kind of the same type of situation but it's the case it turns out totally different but right off the bat you're

kind of looking at it as you know they say money doesn't buy happiness and that's true no but it will buys less stress right it will make your your your relationship with some but when add in to put two people that fucking hate hate each other together and give them money and if they're level-headed and can spend it uh maturely i don't know yeah they'll be okay they'll might get divorced who knows you're always you put two people that fucking hate each other and then they're broke too somebody's either dead or they're divorced in no time flat plus you can get people that like each other that just they end up fighting over stress of not being able to pay their fucking bills. And then it's like that ruins the even good relationship. So, yeah, money takes that stress out of it.

People are still going to fight and not like each other. But at least they won't be fighting over, you know, that you spent twelve dollars on McDonald's and we need that for. You got the last chip. Yeah. Still start. Yeah. That's a different thing. So this is interesting.

They live with the parents. They're having problems here uh she said that uh uh she summer writes a lot of journal entries so we end up uh later on finding a lot of journal entries later on so she said at this point this is uh she's thinking about leaving willie and leaving this whole thing which is a you know i would think if you're 25 and you have three kids and all that that's that's a gutsy it's a ballsy move know i would think if you're 25 and you have three kids and all that that's that's a gutsy it's a ballsy move i mean do it if you need to i'm not saying it's a bad move i'm just saying good for her that's a that's a ballsy move to be like i'll figure this shit out

but i just don't want to be here right so i don't know if i'll make any money but guess what i don't have right now yeah anything and i got this asshole uh she said now they've been going together since high school too i mean this this is a it. I mean, this is all she knows. This is all she knows. She wrote in her book that she was in her diary that she was she felt controlled and was losing her sense of self. Yeah. She's kind of in like a weird offshoot religion with. It's weird.

That's a mature thought to have at 25. It is. It is. Well, three kids will mature you up fast. Maybe give you a new perspective on some shit that's for sure spanking new shiny but to have that phrase just locked and loaded i'm losing my sense of self sense of self that's impressive she described she's just talked about herself as a quote slave uh she said that uh she described bill and willie as to be as

demanding and dominating men, uh, her husband and father-in-law. She said though, uh, those, you know, bill, everybody said this to bill was the boss of the household.

There's no fucking doubt about it. He was the, he's the pastor and he's also the boss. And, this guy likes to be in control. Let's just put it that way. Uh, so that's,

that doesn't go, nobody doubts that. She also wrote about wanting to find herself and also wanting to find love again and she doesn't say whether she wants to go out and find love or rediscover it with willie or whatever the fuck it is but she just wants to be loved she wants to feel loved whatever given or taken or anything appreciated exactly she's just not happy with her life i don't worry i don't blame her blame her. She said that she also wrote that she worried that eventually she thought Willie might hurt her. She was kind of scared of him sometimes, she said, physically.

And when they start having problems and they separate, she tries to get a restraining order and says in an affidavit that Willie threatened to kill her if she ever took the children away from him. So she put that in a document on file at a court. Right. And it had better grammar than Bill's religious application. I'll tell you that right fucking now. I'm sure based on her previous paragraph, I feel like it's better. So by 2010, this is all still going on. This is when she's leaving Willie.

She leaves him and files for divorce in June of 2010. So all of this became part of the divorce case. All these, they subpoenaed her diaries, which is fucking crazy. Yeah. She says like facebook or any other yeah it's it's it's your personal thoughts we want to know yeah we want to know them but well these became uh you know what i think she added them and also wasn't like uh i could to show that

she was feeling this back then okay i see i was afraid of him i wrote it two years ago yeah type of thing she said quote i'm so tired of having to please everyone else, but leaving myself high and dry. Don't I deserve to be happy, too? Don't I deserve to fall in love with someone again and feel love from someone again? I think so. I don't know if it's the right time to tell Willie or not. I feel bad not telling him because I think he deserves to know the truth and to know

that I don't want to be with him right now. I want to be alone for a while and find out who I am again. I'm just some slave that runs around and does as she's told i'm so used to just doing whatever everyone else wants that i've forgotten who i am i love my kids with all my heart and i wouldn't trade them for anything but i don't want to watch them grow up i don't want them growing to grow up remembering their mom as someone that just did as she was told. I feel you, girl. Right? I would be okay with shared custody and wouldn't try for full custody unless he wanted me to or forced me to. I think that the kids should see both of us the same amount of time.

This is very reasonable. She's just not happy and is looking for a reasonable way out of it. So that's fine. At this point, she's doing everything correctly. Sure. We you can't blame people for fucking relationships falling apart. They people drift apart. It happens.

I mean, that's we've we've been there, Jimmy. It's not, you know, it's it's it happens. Sometimes this mountain from. Yeah. Yeah. You're still working on doing all right. Yeah. I'm I'm I'm fucking skipping down the street far away.

I don't even smell the smoke anymore. I'm still unpacking. I don't see the fucking flames in the back. If I turn around, I'm like, it's over the horizon. I just shrug. I go, all right. I'm still making chili dogs on it. Yeah, you're still trying to throw buckets of water on it.

Yeah. you're still trying to throw buckets of water on it. So she says, quote, I just don't know how Willie will react to all of this. I don't know if he will get mad and try to take his kids and run, or if he will threaten to hurt me, or worse yet, actually do it, or if he will be civil about it and let us try a separation and see what happens. I know his parents will gang up on me and try to get me to work things out and not want to leave me alone so uh that's that's right away a concern because they're all in the

same environment yeah and if she's lived there for years and everything she feels like it probably feels like they're her parents like she has obligation and when that happens to guys like that that are domineering and controlling they feel like you owe them something oh big time yeah oh yeah you've lived here rent free for how long fuck yeah oh he absolutely got some back paying to do you know that shit uh he she also says quote but i don't think that i can work things out unless we are separated i can't focus on myself and what i really want unless i don't have to focus on what he wants he asked me last night during an argument what i wanted i couldn't answer that because i don't know what i want i don't know that I don't have to focus on what he wants. He asked me last night during an argument what I wanted. I couldn't answer that because I don't know what I want. I don't know that I don't want.

I know that I don't want this. I don't want to be unhappy and feel trapped. I don't want to know. I don't want to not know who I am anymore, but I couldn't tell him that. So I just sat there in silence. All I want to do all day is cry and sleep. That's depression right there. Big time.

I just don't know how to get out of this situation and have it end well. Maybe by the next time I write, I'll have this figured out. So this is affecting her. She's not angry. She's literally depressed about how her life is and wants to get out of a very depressing situation. And with three kids, there's probably some postpartum that's attached to this you know i was gonna say her one kid is uh is you know less than a year old at this point too so she's got hormones happening and she's got which i mean we're not saying oh that all those goddamn all them damn hormones and she's bleeding

out everywhere milk shooting out of her titties of course she's gonna be messed up in the head no we're just saying there's such thing as post Milk shooting out of her titties. Of course she's going to be messed up in the head. No, we're just saying there's such a thing as postpartum depression. And her situation is depressing. And they're poor. And she's not fulfilled with a career or her life or her relationship. Or she lives with her fucking parents. Her father-in-law, who's a goddamn weirdo religious pastor guy. You can see why.

All I would do is cry and sleep too if i was her jesus christ i mean the good thing that's going on here is that at least she can't drown her kids in a washboard that's the truth yeah that's impossible physically impossible that's not too bad that's how they used to do it just scrape their head against it until they wore it down down to nothing it's all right there you flatten them out until they look like stewie griffin mashed them all out now uh one guy uh a guy ends up coming to mercy ranch an unemployed man to stay there and get back on his feet and i guess hear the word or whatever the fuck uh this is a guy named adam peters he stays there now apparently adam becomes immediately interested in summer hell yeah uh which summer's she's a pretty girl

too i mean you know she's whatever it's she's 25 he's in his 20s it makes sense that he would be interested in her uh so uh she apparently was reluctant of this at first and she's got three kids on premises and her husband's there and everything. So, you know, it's kind of a tough relationship to prove that I'm into you when my husband's standing. Yeah, it's kind of tough. Me and Willie here. We're thinking so. But he was interested in her and kind of made it obvious.

So one day in her diary, she said that the moment she looked into his eyes, quote, I knew the devil had me. She says, yeah, she says, quote, Now I am sorry. Sorry that I didn't listen to what God was telling me. Sorry that I put myself into a bad position, a position where I could easily be taken advantage of and no one would know. He saw that in me. He saw that I was scared and made it his power and it made his power even stronger. He saw that I didn't know what to do and that I couldn't tell anyone what happened. I tried to stop him, but he wouldn't. My mind was screaming, run, get out of there now.

But instead, I stayed and allowed him to dig deeper into me and pull me into his grasp. I wanted to run. Finally, I did run. I ran right into his arms and I was forever gone. Hold on. Did they fuck? They fucked. Okay.

This is a very flowery way of saying I didn't want to fuck him because I didn't think it was right because I felt guilty because I've been with this dude since I was 15, and I live in a fucking church, for Christ's sake. But he said I was pretty, and he was real nice to me. Fuck, man. He was nice to me, and I'm crying and sleeping all the time. So, shit. You know? That's what's going on here so yeah this is what she writes and then she also writes uh

uh she writes i don't know if it's the right time to tell willie or not uh i feel bad not telling him again so she feels she keeps repeating that so she doesn't know when to tell him remorse and i understand you feel shitty i'm sure it's yeah you can't this is how these these things happen because somebody is super unhappy and they don't know how to articulate it and they think that the articulation of it is going to ruin everything and it's going to hurt somebody's feelings and then she feels like she's going to gain something out of this and then she doesn't gain it it just makes it worse that's the thing right yeah that's you you're fucking nailed it right on the money so summer here ends up like i said leaving and filing for divorce in june of 2010 yeah she takes the kids with her sure uh she's their mother now uh she said that again and so this is the point where

she files the for a restraining order and writes and writes that he threatened to kill her if she ever took the children away from him. So that's something she needed to get on paper. She also said in this affidavit that he used to take her car keys and wallet and cell phone so he could hold her captive in the house so she couldn't fucking go anywhere. You have no money and no keys and no phone. And you can't call anybody. What are you supposed to do? Walk out into the rural Ohio day? Enjoy.

Yeah. So, yeah. How are you going to boil your water now? Yeah. I'm taking all the pots and pans and I'm hiding them. Now what are you going to do? You're going to die if you drink that water. Now, also, at one point, he had taken her cats and uh and told her like at different times that he killed them or

abandoned them in a field somewhere what an asshole yes now that's what she puts in the affidavit now his response to this though kind of sounds kind of reasonable he says that he took her cell phone and car keys when he when he quote suspicioned that's what he put oh boy that she was seeing adam now you can't hide somebody's shit no but that's kind of like a uh that's kind of like a karen hill goodfellas thing like you're not going out tonight and she throws you know like it's one of those things but still you can't do that to people anyway but uh he also claimed that's not the reasonable part the the cat thing He claims the cats were feral cats that she fed and they were everywhere. They would shit all over the place outside and stuff.

So and she said he said they were in the house and they were destroying the new furniture and sofa. He said he had a new couch and a new sofa and the feral cats were tearing it up. She's letting feral cats inside the house. Yes. No. Yeah. That's she's trying to domesticate them is what he says. And he says, in attempting to pick one of the cats up off the couch, the cat latched

onto his forearm and really tore his shirt and obviously scratched up whatever was under it. You ever seen him do that shit? Oh, yeah. They're fucking nasty. A feral cat. Well, those are things that are nasty. With their back claws?

They go crazy skin your forearm shit yeah holy shit he claims he took them to the animal shelter he didn't he said i didn't kill them i didn't dump them out in the middle of nowhere i just took them to the animal shelter now who knows what's true yeah if that's true whatever you kind of go it's sort of reasonable yeah i mean but she may not know that because being a dick, he told her I killed her. Right. But he said she says none of that was. And he says, hey, it was perfectly, perfectly reasonable to take the cats out of the house.

And she's she's she's saying, no, it wasn't. That's crazy. Which it seems like whatever. I think the two said she said it clearly don't need to be together. I feel like just break up, split custody and call it a fucking day. Yeah. Why can't you just do that? Drop it. Drop the kids off to him at McDonald's and then return them to her at McDonald's. like just break up split custody and call it a fucking day yeah why can't you just do that drop

drop the kids off to him at mcdonald's and then return them to her at mcdonald's meet in the chili's parking lot and then go back to your place during happy hour when there's lots of people around that's it so uh anyway summer ends up uh like i said she left and uh this is she leaves right around the same time she starts seeing Adam, the Adam Peters guy. Now, the sheriff's office said they would get periodic reports from her and from her husband's side of the family there from the from the Inman's both that the other side was guilty of some horse shit. They did this. They did this. They're constantly calling the sheriff department on each other.

This turns into just a real mess of kind of. And Adam's like, I wish I was atheist. Yeah, Adam's going, Jesus Christ, what the hell did I get myself into? But no, they're actually, from what we understand, they seem to really be, they both tell everybody that they're in love with each other, Adam and Summer, and they seem to be happy and that sort of thing. So at one point, Summer shows up. This is December 1st, 2010. Summer shows up at the Inman's home with Adam. Okay, this is the home that all three of them live in with Adam.

Not good. To pick up belongings because at this point, the Inman's house was being foreclosed on. Oh, no. I assume the Mercy Ranch is included in that. The no mercy from the bank ranch over here being foreclosed on they don't show any no no remorse at all there no mercy either it's all a light-hearted nightmare on our podcast morbid we're your hosts i'm alina urquhart and i'm ash kelly and our show is part true crime, part spooky, and part comedy.

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or on Apple Podcasts. So they are, so she's going to pick her shit up because they're not going to have a house to keep it in any longer. So she's going over there and she brought with her Adam and a deputy sheriff.

Okay. So that's her. She's not going over there banging on the door and yelling. Just bringing Adam. That's a problem. She's saying, we're going to go over. Adam's going to help me load my shit up and all that. And I need this deputy sheriff here to make sure everybody gets along.

Nobody does anything fucking crazy. Everybody's cool. This is fine so far. So far, very reasonable. So Bill, the father will william senior he requests that adam leave the property and wait at the end of the driveway he said can you get him i don't want him on my property get it tell him to wait at the end of the driveway to which the deputy says the fuck out of here with that no how about no how about i'm not playing your dumb game

we're not you we're not doing this give us the shit and we're out of here. He's not bothering you. He's here to help her carry shit. Shut up and let her get her shit and let me get this over with. Imagine being a cop in the middle of this. God, I can't imagine. Imagine. No.

I would be so... I don't know how cops in domestic situations where people are arguing. I don't know how they just... And I don't mean where one's beating on the other. I mean where they show up and the woman threw a plate of spaghetti at him and like you know and he's got to maintain a level of professional ability yeah he's yelling he what profession professionalism there it is for yeah we've all seen the profession of profession ability we've all seen the episode of cops where you went both these people are fucking assholes it's both their faults neither of them

there's no violence. They're just idiots and we need to stop. How do you not just take your nightstick out and spin around in a circle like a sprinkler? Just to think the pink to think pink pink, whatever it hits. I don't understand how you don't do it. I watched an episode of Live PD where a girl was trying to

have a guy arrested for beating her and the police had to had to question both of them try to line up a story and then they have to make a report they ended up arresting her dumb ass because she was lying and they had to they had to deduce that from both of these that's why they do an investigation drug-fueled story that's the thing you show up people are drunk people are high and they're fighting because they're drunk and high so that's what you and they have to deal with that shit. That is one area of policing. I have no envy and I don't know how they do it.

No, whatever else you want to say. We fucking you could be, you know, dealing with gangbangers and whatever. Not nearly as dangerous or annoying. Yeah, because these people, too. You'll show up. They're fighting. You take the one down. The other one will start beating you, too.

Yeah, you start cuffing the husband. Then the wife will get on yeah you you start cuffing the husband then the wife will get on you you start cuffing the wife the husband will start hitting you i would be much more afraid to show up to a domestic violence situation than a bank robbery bank robbery is fucking over they want this is this is boiled to the point where they need police intervention plus that's how crazy the bank robbers want to get away from there with no confrontation these people live there and have nowhere else to go you have to make this shit work they feel safe on their own property that's the other thing too they're emboldened on their own property uh so yeah obviously this situation's rough though so there's a big argument the deputy's trying to comment adam's there he's shrugging his shoulders all right you know whole thing so uh

bill i just want to fuck i don't know what's going on here uh bill uh at this point threatens to shoot adam in front of the deputy oh boy the father william senior uh you know pastor bill here the man of the lord i hope he did that with one of those fucking colors on. He, he, uh, offers to shepherd some shotgun pellets into his chest cavity for him is what he offers to do.

So, uh, he off, he offers to shoot him. Uh, then he said, I'll just beat you. So then he threatens to beat Adam up in the front yard.

None of these things advisable in front of police officers, by the way, don't do this. So out of all this bill ends up wrestling with the yard. None of these things advisable in front of police officers, by the way. Don't do this. So out of all this, Bill ends up wrestling with the deputy. Of course. So the deputy's

trying to calm him down and Bill says, get off of me and you're on my property and then they're wrestling and next thing you know, Bill's getting thrown on the

ground wrestling around with handcuffs and all this type of shit. He ends up getting convicted of misdemeanor charges, including resisting arrest, and he was fined and given probation for this offense here because you can't wrestle with deputies.

But a guy that does that, even a pastor doesn't take responsibility for it. He blames Adam. Yeah, yeah. Absolutely. It's Adam's fault. Absolutely. Dick.

100%. What an asshole. So I do have to say this, though. If you're the deputy, wouldn't you go? What's the situation here? I need to come with you because they're mad because you're with him. So you're going to bring him there. Right.

Why don't we leave him at home? Or I'm with you. Sit in my car. I got a gun. We'll be OK. I'm with you. You're cool. I would just so I don't have to deal with it's going to cause problems.

You know, it's going to cause problems. Why would we? Why would we poke the bear? Why would we make it worse? Let's not stir this like that. I understand. I get why she would want him to be there to make her feel more comfortable, but I don't understand why the police would say, sure, come on along, buddy.

You're like, who's the guy who everyone's mad at? Yeah, let's bring him to. I mean, it doesn't make sense there's so many things that the judgments that the cop can make and yeah i mean i like the move that he did make because it fucking shows balls it does show it does show balls but at the same time it also doesn't show right and an unstable man who's angry uh might test those balls and he did and he did and yeah you've got to wrestle that's what i mean if he would have just said funny stay, stay in the car.

Nobody's wrestling. Nobody's going to jail. That court, the money that it costs to run that, all that shit is solved. If this guy just goes, yeah, it might cause more problems than it solves, right? Maybe he sits in the back seat, and when you get the shit outside, he can help put it in the car. That's all. How about that? Yeah, that would have taken so long.

How about we do that? Fine. Because then, by then, we're already leaving. He can't say shit. I'm going to have him stand there in the yard the whole time. That's the way it's going to work now. Now, Willie, this at this point, after this is all over, Willie is still friends with Adam on Facebook for some reason.

Now we're getting Facebook involved in this. Okay. He's still friends with Adam. And he, of course, you know, is always looking at Adam's page because he's with his fucking dick. And he's that guy yeah so one day he checks he checks uh adam's page and uh the facebook his profile picture adam's profile picture is now adam posing with summer and the three kids oh so he is now deleted that's his new profile picture. So Willie is fucking apoplectic over this. Of course.

He's going nuts. And they both post in a relationship with each other and all that type of shit. Well, they are. They are, which is fine. Willie can't handle the photo. He feels like he's being replaced. It sets him off. He freaks out.

He says everyone, I guess he would yell at everybody he's going they posed in that picture like they're a couple like they're a family and this is bullshit and you know i thought we were supposed to be you know working it out or whatever or trying it's over it's over bro yeah it's once your dad wrestles with a deputy over it it's over it's done that's that's when we call it a fucking day you should have seen your dad's ass crack uh wrestling with a cop and then like oh look there goes my dad's ass crack uh that's also now uh what my relationship i should be reminded right there there it is that's the only reason he gave up was because his pants fell down and his ass crack was showing that's why he stopped fighting oh the shame

all right fine my pants my dick's almost out my dick's home never mind this is embarrassing oh jesus christ man so uh uh this there the family is distraught the inman family is distraught the billy uh william and uh the father william senior and sandra the mother are super distraught over the grandkids not being there. The grandkids have always lived with them. Right. And they're real into the grandkids. And it's an echo chamber in that house of three mouths talking shit about her and Adam.

Yeah. Oh, good lord. Can you imagine? They're just bouncing it back and forth. Even in the shower on the shitter, they're just screaming. Because if that situation erupts, and if it was Willie who got mad about the Adam situation, you would expect the father to come in and go, hey, it's not worth it. It's not worth it, Willie.

Let's just go inside. Let's calm down. Let her go. Instead, it's the father out there wrestling with the deputy, which is fucking crazy. So in the paper at one point, it said that a friend of theirs said that the Inmans, Bill and Sandy, lost weight over this. They were so upset about the grandkids. That's all they talked about.

They said their appearance was different. They looked haggard. Wow. They were depressed about it. They took less care of themselves. And this whole thing was dragging on. The divorce was still dragging on. Yeah.

And at this point, in in late 2010 one of the kids is less than two years old one's three and one's five right so there's three little kids in this tiny kids uh and uh they're very depressed though the inman's about this now uh they uh summer ends up living with the three kids with her mom her mom is debbie cook and also with her stepdad here too now uh they're they're uh she lives with them for months the mother debbie said quote about summer quote she was scared most of the time she was afraid of willie so that's that's a bad thing now december 2001 are december like we said at the end of the month they they're thrown out of the Mercy Ranch house there. They've been given no mercy at Mercy Ranch.

They've been given no mercy. Now, so months go by and things are just escalating. Different things are being filed for the divorce. Child support comes up. Willie files an objection in the divorce case after being ordered to pay child support of $150 a month on a $6,000 a year income. Yeah. So he's making six grand a year, which is rough. He asked the judge.

He's one of the he's one of the 22.5% that makes under 15 grand. He asked the judge to reduce the amount to $50 a month, which why fucking bother? What are you going to get with $50 a month? Oh, 50. Oh, thanks. That tank of gas will come in real handy with these three kids. Not like they eat or shit or do anything or go to school or wear clothes. Thanks for a third of the diaper bill.

I just keep them starving and nude. It's no big deal. Jesus Christ. With a fan blowing on them. Yeah. Because that's what I can afford. I can buy the fan and the electricity to run the fan that's just that electricity yeah nothing no no light it'll be dark in here but the wind will be

blowing so march 22nd 2001 or i'm sorry 2011 uh that was march 17th 2011 was the whole child support thing willie in court asking for less now five days later march 22nd 2011 summer uh goes to work that evening she's cleaning the century national bank she's you know she's just going in and cleaning uh there is surveillance footage of her with like mops and shit you know in the bank seems like a pretty easy job it is it is nobody shits at the bank nobody shits at the bank that's good and you put the money in you get the fuck out. My father and my stepmom, they actually had a business when they lived in North Carolina on the side.

They had regular jobs too, but they would go like three times a week and clean a couple of banks that they had to. You just wipe down the handles of the door. Yeah, it's super easy. Like, there's no shit on the walls of the bank. Like, everything's pretty clean. People kind of keep it on the up and up at the bank. Around their money.

They don't spit on the floor or anything, generally. It's pretty civilized at the bank. You might have to pick up a couple of dum-dum rappers. Yeah. That's about it. Yeah, they did that shit on the side, too. So I get what she's doing here. So she's at the bank.

Now, at this time, there's a man uh stranger named kevin landers he's walking in an alley near the bank and uh he hears a woman scream yeah at this point now this guy uh uh there's another uh at this point another person here who says that uh he heard a stun gun go off and then he was uh pepper sprayed now we'll talk about this he was he was pepper sprayed this man now he was able to provide uh police with some details to help them with uh this whole thing here we'll talk about that in a second and this man ran away with pepper spray in his eyes and called 9-1-1 uh he says he wasn't able to see very well from the pepper spray this poor bastard yeah he sees a crime and we'll talk about it.

Sees a crime taking place. Gets pepper sprayed. Yeah. Then he returns to work later on after he's gone to the hospital and talked to the police and all this type of shit. And they fire him for being for missing work that night. No way. Just fucked up.

This guy got fucked good. He's trying to call the police, dialing pound one one. Yeah. And zero three three. You can't dial the phone. That's that's the poor fuck. He said he wished he could have done more, but he also he he feared the same fate of what was happening.

What he found was a woman being stun gunned in the parking lot of the bank by three masked assailants. So he sees this going on. He goes over to intervene, and one of the assailants turns around and pepper sprays him good. He runs away, calls 911. How big were the assailants? Were they like five, three, and one that size?

They were very small. Very small. One of them appeared to not speak English well. Now, we don't know if he speaks any language lots of drooling trail of cheerios just everywhere right goldfish and teddy grams and shit just all sorts of stuff screaming about team umizoom so messed up man so uh yeah he takes off now uh these are now multiple people have called 911. Another person calls 911. By the way, the police department's a block and a half away from this bank.

There's still nobody there yet. A block and a half away. A block and a half away. Now, Summer hasn't checked in where she's supposed to check in. Her father's worried about her. She's supposed to be home at a certain point. So he calls 911 as well. Okay.

And still no police. Summer's mother drives to the bank to see where the fuck Summer is. More than a block and a half away. More than a block and a half away. She shows up. Still no cops there. She searches the area for her daughter to find any sign of her daughter. She finds Summer's iPod and a couple other personal items of summer's on the

ground in the parking lot of the bank cheerios cheerios teddy grams yeah which summer probably does leave a trail of cheer probably if you have three kids under five you have cheerios in your pants like in your sock they're on your face in your bra i'm sure they're all over the goddamn place in your couch cushions. They're everywhere. If you have kids, your kids will be 17. You'll still find Cheerios in your couch cushions. Even if you didn't have that couch when they were kids, they magically appear there. Super weird.

So at this point, she calls 911, and they still wait for the police. They still wait for the police. No cop yet. No cop yet. So Michael Cook uh her father again is calling 9-1-1 he says to 9-1-1 quote she's nowhere to be found we found her coat and ipod so this is multiple people about the same bank parking lot nobody shows up yet no cops and this is all all of this stuff here about the not cops not showing up in time is all coming from summer's

family summer's family this is their complaints and they've kind of we've already done the investigation get the cops here yes now uh two uh uh female joggers uh also saw what was going on they saw an abduction they ran to the police station a block and a half away and they told the police what they witnessed now these two uh ladies said that they were treated rudely by the police station a block and a half away and they told the police what they witnessed yeah now these two uh ladies said that they were treated rudely by the police and suspiciously as if they were fabricating the story wow uh which is strange you'd see you know that's just an odd reaction yeah it's a block and a half away think go yeah go check it out who cares take a ride what do i got going on let's take a ride down down there. 2011, what was going on? What was on TV that they couldn't get away from it? Well, the thing is, 2011, it's like, oh, these loopy broads came in here saying there's an

abduction and a kidnapping at the bank. Because they came in saying, we saw three masked assailants stun gunning and pulling a woman into a car in the bank apartment. They're like, did you now? Oh, sure you did. Check it out. Just look. What is this?

The movie Heat? What are you talking about? Yeah. He told the officer, apparently, these ladies say the officer told them that other officers were all tied up in a traffic stop. So that's why they don't have time to check it out right now. They'll get to it eventually. All the officers have somebody pulled over.

Yeah, everybody. All tied up. Or they all, you know, cops like to stockpile on a traffic stop. And there are probably seven cops because one kid has an eighth of weed on him. You know? Who the fuck knows? Or they smell it. They smell it.

We got to search. Yeah, they're all standing around looking at it. We're going to bust this one, boys. Take down all the drug activity in this town through this one 16-year-old and his eighth. 16 year old and his eighth so uh these people after these two ladies after they left the police station they ran to one of their homes uh which was which took about 15 minutes and then one of the lady's husbands drove them back to the scene of the bank and when they got to the bank this the cops still weren't there wow so all this shit's going on so we know it's taken at least a run from a run from a block and a half run to the cops hey this is going on hey this is

going on man whatever we'll get to it holy shit run home 15 minutes get in the car and then drive three minutes back so it's at least 25 minutes now we're waiting for police to come, according to the Summers, the Cook family here. Now, the ladies say that it took almost an hour for the police to arrive. After reporting, I watched an abduction. And several people. Saw it. They've gotten several calls from 911 about this. And just literally, I saw an abduction.

I saw an abduction. It was pepper sprayed. We saw an abduction. Hey, abduction it was pepper sprayed we saw an abduction hey my daughter's supposed to be there we went there and found her coat and her ipod and not her wow in that parking lot where you fucking five people say someone was abducted john walsh and they took an hour oh he would paintbrush these fucking guys yeah this is what i mean this is uh when we say we make fun of small towns and maybe a bumbling police. This is what we're talking about. There it is. Idiots. So it's not all cops.

These particular get your head out of your ass desk sergeant or whoever's sitting there. I don't know. All the cops have all the cars. They're all out there. Yeah. So not a desk, but whoever. Whoever's in charge of dispatching people. I don't fucking know. This Farva guy.

This goddamn town. He's on Super Troopers, right? Yes. Absolutely. So Summer's missing. Summer doesn yes absolutely so so summer's missing uh summer doesn't come home she's missing and by all accounts she's been abducted by masked people right which is fucking scary that's horrible that's the worst that's the scariest thing a woman anybody can think of as being abducted by several by several people in a in a public

place even like that's i don't know the home obviously would be worse but just to that you can go out and just be taken home is only worse if you survive and you come back to that home yeah yeah that's true if you're just taken from a fucking public could be anywhere this is the most liam neeson thing ever you'd be scared forever you're never safe never safe this is fuck this is so. This is what we're scared of for our daughters. This is what we're scared of for everything. And this is actually, holy shit, I got to tell you this. Oh, boy.

This is perfect because this made me think of a guy tried to grab my mother before I was born. Really? A year before I was born. Your mother? My mom. I've met your mom. Yeah, you've met my mom. Pretty tough chick.

Not then. She was a little meeker back in the day before she had kids and got a divorce and all that shit. Got hardened by the world. She got hardened over time. Yeah, my mom. So this story is fucking crazy.

It'll take a second, but it's an amazing... Somebody tried to abduct your mother. Yeah, and this is an amazing grandma story, by the way. Okay. This is grandma in this one doing some crazy shit. So they're at some store. It's in New York in story, by the way. Okay, this is grandma in this one doing some crazy shit.

So they're at some store. It's in New York in the mid-70s, okay? They're at some store. My mother's driving. Some guy was following them around the store, okay? It's a black guy, and I have to say that just for the punchline of the joke. It doesn't fucking matter either way, but just for the punchline so you'll know what grandma was talking about. It was a black guy following them around the store and apparently just being weird.

So they were just like, that's kind of weird. And I just felt uncomfortable or whatever. So they leave and they take the car and they go to the next little shopping plaza next door. And I guess a minute later, the same guy comes on a bicycle and stops behind the car. Yeah. Right. So my mother's freaked out about this. She's like 20 years old or something. She's freaked out about this. She's like, you know, 20 years old or something.

She's freaked out about this. My grandmother's like, forget that. Forget him. I'm going to go. I'm going to go in the store. I'll be right back. You'll be fine, right? So my grandmother goes in the store.

This guy apparently starts riding his bike in a circle around the car, around my mother's car, looking in. So my mother's freaking out. I guess the guy from one of the stores, like somebody who was running store there was outside the store smoking a cigarette so she starts she's thank god for smoke breaks she starts yelling can you help me can you help me so this guy comes over and uh he's like yeah what's going on and and the the the guy stops riding his bike the the i guess a potential assailant stops riding his bike then he goes over and he's like ah this broad's crazy i don't know what she's talking about and blah blah blah

blah so the guys kind of have like a crazy broad laugh together sure and this dude goes back in the store the guy who was smoking so after this happens the original guy who they were scared of starts trying to open the door to get in my mother's car right so at this moment of him trying to get in the door and my mother going oh my god oh my god freaking out my grandmother happens to be coming out of the store and you just hear my mother said you just hear my grandmother screaming in italian cursing at the top of her lungs running over and reaching in her purse the whole time yelling at him she gets about five feet from him and whips a fucking

knife out in his face and tells him in italian get the fuck out of here i'll cut your black balls off now that's not racist coming from my grandmother if it was a redheaded guy he would have she would have said i'll cut your pink balls off she's just being descriptive she hit the right ones and i think it probably made him go shit that's he didn't know what she was talking about because she lost her English. She was so fucking angry. Is black an Italian negro? Yes.

Didn't matter. She's waving a blade in his face. That'll do it. And trying to go after him. She's not just threatening him. She's swinging it at him. And so he hops on his bike and takes off, calling her a crazy bitch and everything else. But everything foreign language, except for what he hears his knee he just turned around

and saw an insane tiny four foot eleven red-headed italian woman coming at him with a fucking blade swinging screaming in another language and he went oh shit i better run and took off and that is the the second knife wielding story i have about my grandmother another one is my mother and her sister when they were very little in the bronx some guy touched them inappropriately uh not bad bad but did some inappropriate just a little like was enough grooming we'll say and uh enough to where yeah enough to go was that okay so they told my grandmother about this and my grandmother went over there, knocked on his door with

the girls in tow, knocked on his door, he opened the door, she put a knife to his throat and told them in Italian because they were all Italian. They're all from Italy, been in the Bronx there. And she said, if you ever touch my fucking daughters again, I'll cut your dick off and I'll shove it up your fucking ass. And then, this is gangster

as fuck, took the knife away from his throat and slashed his cheek how fucking gangster is that she fucking slashed his cheek bro she gave him her memory she fucking slashed him i like it she said yeah that's that's fucking i'm not playing don't make me come back and she said they they the kids if the kids saw that guy he would run to the other side of the street after that. But I thought that was a wonderful thing. That's terrific. But she didn't have, unfortunately, her knife-wielding insane Italian relative with her. But it's been a while since a grandma story, and this one popped in my head, so fuck it. I figured I'd drop it down on you guys.

So when she's kidnapped here, she's missing. The next day, 400 people gather at a vigil for her yeah to you know pray for get her back or whatever how many sheep among them they had 26 watches so that we know how many sheep you said that like you were like gonna peruse like hey how many sheep they got there? Did they all ride in on a tractor? They got chicks? You're like, what?

So they had a big prayer vigil and the whole deal. They all sang Amazing Grace together. Very nice. This is some small town kidnapped mother of three shit right here. This is small town fucking murder, man. Well, it's not murder yet. Small town kidnapping so far. One elderly woman told the newspaper quote it's just horrible this is supposed to be a nice quiet little town it's just so sad i just think of those three kids

they may have lost their mother they may have lost their dad and their grandparents who knows because they're saying that the suspected first of all, are the Inmans in this whole thing. There's three. Yeah, there's three of them. They were taken into a car that the Inmans aren't known to have by the other family, which is one thing that kind of is an iffy thing, but we'll find out about that. People also described Summer as a very sensitive, very caring person. They said she was quiet and very nice and everybody liked her yeah she was a

very likable person come home soon we hope now they do a little investigation and uh now uh the all witnesses say that she was being pushed into a large white sedan uh uh william senior on march 18th 2011 four days before the abduction, was purchased a white 2003 Ford Crown Victoria. Yeah. Which is a big fucking white car. Yeah. It's a big white cop car. Right.

From Majestic Motors of Akron, Ohio. The Ohio Police Department, they had previously, the Streetsboro, Ohio Police Department previously owned the Crown Vic, meaning that the rear passenger locks are disabled. Oh, look at that. So if you're in a backseat and they don't want you out, you can't fucking get out of the backseat. Yeah. It would still had all the cop accoutrement. Look at that. In it.

Now, more. There's witnesses here that talk about this. Each witness testifies later on and talks about a white car, which resembled, they all said, an old police cruiser. They said was sitting in an alley by the bank. They said a woman with blonde hair was in the front seat of the vehicle. By the way, Sandra Inman has blonde hair. That's a coincidence. Two men were beside the rear passenger door and the vehicle there.

They were holding a stun gun on a white female victim. That's what everybody saw. They said the victim was lying on the ground in a fetal position while they heard loud screams coming from her and stun gun noises. Jesus. So Summer was on the ground and people were stunning her while she was on the ground in a fetal position, which is just fucking cruel and horrible to do to anybody, especially an innocent person who's done nothing to you.

Now, uh, the witness, well, the one potential witness, like we said, went up and tried to help her and was pepper sprayed for his, for his,

uh, chivalry. And, uh, yeah. So they, he, uh,

ended up, they pepper sprayed him and he ended up going off. Uh, everybody said that, that the men wore dark clothing and, they said a bunch of them said they wore face masks as well. Two of the people there said they saw the two men throw the victim in the backseat of the vehicle, and those same people said that there was a blonde-haired female driving as they drove away. There was a blonde haired female driving as they drove away.

Two men throwing Summer, a woman fitting Summer's description, Summer, into a backseat of a car with just, you know, a police type cruiser with a blonde woman driving. Get Axel Foley in here. Fuck, we need him. Jesus. So another person here, a Colton Kilkenny here, he said he's a witness. He says that around 1130 p.m. he was driving along Route 33 in Nelsonville, Ohio, when he observed what appeared to be a white police cruiser parked at the Faith Tabernacle Church. That sound familiar? That's where they used to pray.

That's the place they used to pray all the time. And he said Kilkenny said he thought it was a police vehicle because he slowed down because he thought they were doing radar. Absolutely. I hate the people that buy those. Yeah, they're assholes, especially if you're going to sit in a parking lot. No, fuck that. Turn around if you're going to sit in a parking lot. And if you own one of those, do 10 over the speed limit.

Yeah, please. Don't do the speed limit. Pace us all. Because everybody else is stopping behind you because we hate you. You have no idea how much traffic you've fucked up in your wake if you're and not one of those people and then people with bike racks on the top of their car oh that's even there should be a curfew for you yeah go home before the sun goes that's right because everybody in the rear view thinks you're

a fucking cop dickhead all you are is a dick in a volvo some asshole in a Subaru. Go home before the sun goes down or take that shit off your car. Some dick that likes to go mountain biking. Yeah. Another, a Crystal Farris says that she also saw the white vehicle that she thought was an older police car parked at the church in the late evening hours.

She further said that she saw two men standing outside the vehicle and a blonde or red-headed woman in the front seat. So these are all very consistent descriptions. Now, the Inmans were immediate suspects. How are the citizens much more observant and reliable than the police? I would let the guy who got pepper sprayed lead this investigation at this point because everybody else doesn't seem to either A give a shit or b know what the fuck to do so at least the police sergeant something have him be like peewee herman on reno 911 that time

where he was showing him all the crimes that he was god i love him he's great ah he got a raw deal yeah well paul rubin sorry he's not he's not he's more talented than that fucking way talented man for fucking what a raw deal that's fucking ridiculous i mean the the child porn is a real stiff thing that wasn't him he wasn't child porn that's what they caught him paul rubin that's what they did to him right no he got caught jerking off in public just like fucking didn't they say that they like checked his computer and there was like some. I don't think Jeffrey Jones you're thinking of the Ferris Bueller principle. I did not know if that's true.

I whatever. I don't think Pee Wee Herman had anything to do with rumors of it. I thought he was at a jack shack and got caught jerking it off. That's exactly what ruined him. What started it. That's what I thought. I did not know if that's true. We need to clarify.

We'll know that by the end. And if not know if that's true we need to clarify we'll know that by the end and if not we are sorry paul rubens and we're not saying that it's true that's no libel put it that way i'll google it we'll google it i'll google the shit out of we don't know let's just say now that's his raw deal. So, like we said, in-mans are the immediate suspects. The people question the in-mans. The cops question them for hours, obviously, at the next day after the disappearance. They question them, and they have a lot to question them about. The family is seen on surveillance video taking a white crown Victoria to a car wash

later on after the abduction happened where they spent an hour and a half cleaning the inside of the vehicle which is odd. That's excessive. Didn't worry shit about the outside. No? Cleaned the fuck out of the inside though. Just detailed it. Getting all those Cheerios out. Yeah, that's what it is. Cheerios. It's a

new car. They just got it a few days ago. You gotta get the last owner's jizz off the seat. It's a retired police car, isn't it? There's jizz all over it then. Good God. It's a new car. They just got it a few days ago. You got to get the last owners. Well, it's a retired police car, isn't it? There's jizz all over it then. Good God. I don't know why that would make it jizzier. Jizzier. Sorry. There's a yes and moment there.

Let's just go with it. So, fuck it. So, yeah. Then the investigators say that the Inmans drove to Pearl Road Auto Wrecking and Salvage in Cleveland, where Willie Inman Jr. tried to trade, or he did trade, a brand new, because they just bought the car, and a lot of times when you buy a used car, they put new tires on it. Yeah.

Most of the time. Right. Had brand new tires on it. Okay. They've had the car for five days. They traded a pristine set of wheels and tires for a used set in worse condition why would they do that to not have to not have the same tire marks that's interesting take a cast of something all those don't match well yeah these are all worn down

shitty ones yeah these aren't the clean fresh ones there so uh they thought that was weird at the station why would someone want to do that uh the the on-duty person at the gas station there at the Pearl Road Auto Wrecking and Salvage, Rich Lenz, he said, quote, I didn't know why he was wanting to change them, but he said he wanted to get something fancier. So he got aluminum wheels off a car we had off a car in the yard we had. So they weren't even fancier. They were worth less money. It just didn't make sense. They weren't even fancier. They were worth less money.

It just didn't make sense. So they end up getting a search warrant for the Inman home where they were staying in Akron, Ohio, which is with the Williams parents there. Among items they found, a Garmin GPS unit. Remember those? Yeah. Before on your phone. Also, cell phones of Willie and Bill were seized. And the White Crown Victoria was also seized and searched for evidence. They also found a fake police badge, tactical flashlight in with the GPS.

Also, walkie talkies and cell phones. Good Lord. All of the badge, flashlight and walkie talkies were found in a backpack in a closet. But they couldn't pay their mortgage? Couldn't pay their mortgage. And the weird thing was, though, they did a search of the, they crowned Victoria. They do the, you know, process it for a crime scene here. And they find out they don't find shit, not a fingerprint on the inside of that thing.

It's clean as fuck. Yeah. Yeah, the guy from the Ohio Bureau of Criminal Investigation. He says, quote, normal people would have more contact with the interior of the vehicle than they would the exterior of the vehicle. Generally, we would find fingerprints on the inside. But in this case, there were none. Led me to believe that the interior had been cleaned well. So they wiped their shit clean. The Garmin GPS unit, along with the cell phone records of William and Bill, placed the Inmans in Logan, Ohio at 540. Because they don't live in Logan.

They placed the Inmans in Logan, Ohio at 545 p.m. on March 22, 2001. The GPS unit places the Inmans in Logan until 807 p.m. when the unit was turned off. The unit was turned back on again at 11 46 p.m in nelsonville and from that point the gps traveled northbound through the county and uh and going through the city of mcconnellsville then to zanesville across interstate 70 up interstate 77 and back to the cleveland uh akron area. So they did a little loopy loop around there. And then the GPS stopped at the Blue Sonic car wash in Seven Hills, Ohio, where surveillance video showed them cleaning out the Crown Vic, dismantling and removing a black spotlight that was affixed to the vehicle also.

They had a spotlight that they could shine. They took that fucking shit off to make it either less identifiable. also we don't have a spotlight that couldn't have been us after they leave the car wash they travel to the pearl road auto parts and they uh they trade the tires off that's how they pieced it all together with witnesses surveillance receipts gps cell phone tower shit all in one day they've triangulated everything on them. One evening. Well, they gave them a, here's our GPS. Here's where we've been forever. Here's what we've done.

Our phones, our GPS, everything. The Inmans, they admit to law enforcement that they were, in fact, traveling together on the night of March 22nd, and that they did have the Garmin GPS unit with them on that night, but they were never in Logan, Ohio. Ah, so they're putting together that the police are suspicioning them. They're suspicioning them bad. So satellites, they don't know where we are. How the fuck do they know?

They said they were in Cleveland instead. So the satellite was off by, what did we say it was? Two and a half hours to Cleveland, I think, at the top of the ship. That's a long journey. It's kind of a far way off. A hundred miles. It's sometimes when you click on Uber or something, it doesn't recognize your location right away, but it doesn't say you're in Cleveland.

No. If you're not. No. Anywhere near Cleveland. No. It says you're across the street, and then it catches up a second later. So all three Inmans are arrested and charged with kidnapping. They don't know where the fuck Summer is still.

Oh, boy. Now, the mother here sandra is uh she is uh the mother of sandra i'm sorry so willie's willie's grandma willie's grandma is devastated by the arrests of every of everybody she said quote how would any parent feel when they believe in their family i don't believe it i can't believe it that's all she said she refuses she doesn't believe it she said it can't it could can't be them right so the billy uh william senior his statement that he makes is i am innocent i did not kill her we did not do it i promise you i will take a lie detector test and prove it the story will come out and then everyone will know the

truth so he gave one of those whenever someone says the story will come out and everyone will know the truth. That's bad. Oh, Jay. Oh, Jay. Exactly. It's going to come out. So I still wait. No, Jay.

Where's that truth, chief? It's in there somewhere. So after a few days in custody because they're holding them, Sandy has a statement to to make the mom here, Sandra. Her statements got a little different tone, though, too, as we'll talk about. She talks to Chief Deputy Sheriff Matt Speckman at the Hocking County Sheriff's Office. This is March 29th. This is a week after the abduction.

This girl's been missing for a fucking week. Imagine how scary that is for everybody. It's horrible. No. The kids. Where the fuck are the kids? With her parents? The kids are with her parents. They're with her parents yeah they're there with her parents they're with uh with uh summer's parents

no yeah exactly now at this time authorities are actively searching for summer all day every day oh it's about time it's all they're doing yeah finally christ it's all they're doing county people are into it because now it's just not the town anymore now there's county police uh everybody for the town themselves people are looking up and down for summer so at this point uh sandra says she ends up cracking she talks to the investigators she says that it was her idea to snatch summer off the street oh boy and force her into the car she said only so she could beg Summer for weekend visits with her grandchildren. She says, quote, I thought I could talk to her. That's what she says. She said, quote, I think it was probably my idea more than anybody's.

She said, because I kept on and on and on about it, you know, why won't she talk to us? Why won't she work with us? We're only asking for weekends. And I thought, you know, I thought she would work with us on weekends so she says it's my idea let's let's dress like kidnappers right and physically abduct her so we can have a reasonable civil conversation about the child custody arrangement you know that's a great idea i will buy a police car what the fuck are they doing badges walking what the fuck is wrong with you did they expect to walk up to her and claim to be cops like she wouldn't know who they were? That's the other thing.

Yeah. She knows you. She knows you're not a cop. Well, she's lived with you for years. So she also says, quote, and in my mind, whenever I wanted to go there, it made sense to, you know, to just talk to her. So this is what she says. It made sense to, you know, to just talk to her. So she's this is what she says.

She says that Willie hid behind the hedges and a dumpster of the Century National Bank and waited for summer to finish up her work and walk outside. She says Willie jumped out and put zip ties around summer's hands and forced her inside the vehicle. This is what she says. Sanders says, quote, Willie had a hold of her and he just helped her up in. No, he didn't help her up. And he forced her inside the vehicle. This is what she says. Sanders says, quote, Willie had a hold of her, and he just helped her up in. No, he didn't help her up in. He forced her. He kidnapped somebody.

I just helped that child up into my van and drove away. No. She says, quote, he was right there, right there all of a sudden. It happened real quick. So the inspector said, the sheriff's guy said, quote,

so in your mind, she was never supposed to end up dead this is the window you give somebody you go you didn't mean to kill her right this is what people beat their kids to death you didn't mean to beat your kid i smack my kid around i couldn't imagine if they died out of that i mean who who doesn't smack their kids around it's a little fucker died it's his fault that's what they do to people sorry not two people but that's how you get shit out of people so uh she says uh the investigator like we said so in your mind it was never she was never supposed to end up dead sandra replied no no uh she said uh it was just we just wanted to talk some sense into her she said beg her you know please let me see the kids you know let us see the kids on the weekends that's the she's sticking that. She says the car drove off with her driving. William, her husband in the front seat and Willie in the back seat with some.

Oh, no. She said, you know, she talked about the divorce. And then she said Willie had bound Summer's wrist with zip ties. And she was screaming and telling everybody that she's that they're never going to see the kids again. You know, because you're kidnapping me and you're all going to be in prison. So they're never going to see the kids again. You know, because you're kidnapping me and you're all going to be in prison. So you ain't going to see the kids. This is not the way to get weekends.

This is not a way to get visitation. So at this point, she says that Willie accidentally strangled Summer with a zip tie. He said he had put a zip tie around her neck. Why would you do that then she says quote i know i know positively he didn't do it on purpose okay um she explains it here and then we'll i know what you're gonna say but uh he says uh once her son put her in the vehicle uh her husband grabbed summer's legs put her in the car. He zip tied her hands. They were going. She said, quote, We was trying to say, you know, things like, well, it was me a lot. Stuff saying, quote, You know, why won't you give us the kids on the weekends? That's all we're asking for.

We're not asking for a week. We're not asking for 50 50. We're just wanting weekends. And so she also, Sandra said that she at that point confronted Summer about saying that Adam, her boyfriend, was abusing the children. She's like, we want to see the kids. We heard your boyfriend's abusing the kids and all this type of shit. So she said that, according to Sandra, Willie was in the backseat, tried to put a zip tie on Summer's feet, but it didn't work. She was kicking.

Legs are strong it's hard to hold someone's feet if they don't want them held especially if they're have adrenaline of the fear of their life in them uh she says sandra said quote that's when willie placed the zip tie around her neck but he didn't mean to kill her um you know what you can do to not kill someone don't put a fucking zip tie around their neck ever don't ever put a zip tie around a human being's neck you know the interesting thing about zip ties is that you can't loosen them that's the problem you tighten them to a certain length and that's it that's it and that's what she she says quote he was like telling her he loved her and this and that and

the next thing you knew uh he was like blacked out or something because he was like, where's the knife? Where's the knife? He wanted it off her neck real quick. Then Sanders said, quote, I think he blacked out, you know, like I I don't know how to explain it. You know, like he blacked out because he looked at me like, oh, my God, you know. And he said, Mom, where's the knife? Where's the knife? Where's the knife? And I couldn't find it.

I didn't I know he didn't mean to because the look in his eye was like, oh my God, mom, oh my God, you know, panicked. Oh boy. So he wanted the knife to cut the zip tie off her neck. Don't put zip ties on people's fucking necks. Especially if you had something around your neck, you might grab at it and pull it and you tighten it by accident even. Oh, that's a good point.

You could do it. Oh, Jesus. Or you put it on their neck and then they jerk their neck and you fucking tighten it there's a million you don't zip tie people's necks ever for this very reason oh boy my stepfather used to do that shit too was a zip tie our fucking hands behind our back is like a joke yeah yeah some weird they are impossible no you can't get those off of you shit no no you need you need a knife you need a razor blade or

clippers or snips yeah so uh sandra then said she told them where they could find summer's body she said you can find her at the faith tabernacle church no uh she said uh so as she's saying this the officer is dispatching this information to the field. Go now. Like every word she says, he's repeating it into the microphone. She, I guess they radioed in the transcript. It said toward the other end of the church toward Logan. There's a tank lid. There's a septic tank. No.

Sanders said, that's it. The officer on the radio said, it's got screws in it. Sanders said, yeah, that's it. Then the officer on the radio said, it appears to be a septic tank it sandra said yeah that's it uh then the officer on the radio said it appears to be a septic tank and sandra said that's it so at that point uh sandra says that uh that willie carried summer over to the septic tank but uh she didn't know who put her inside the septic tank the husband of the son not her is what she says sandra also says summer's shoes were thrown out the window shortly after leaving the church and she detailed all the stops they made along the way the car wash

she corroborates all of that once the lid to the septic tank was off they found the only thing they could see sticking out of the sludgy her feet septic tank were two feet sticking out that's it that is horrible that's horrible and the first first foot, the investigator told Sandra, they found, they got a foot. They see a foot sticking out. Sandra said, they got her good, is what she said. So the police officer said, I appreciate you telling us that. I know, and she said, I've known that girl since she was little and, you know, whatever. Sandra said, she's like my girl, too.

I never had a daughter until her for eight years. She's been like my daughter. Well, you're an asshole. I would fucking say. Yeah, she said. And he said, quote, the officer said, we know we can't we we can't do like a tape recorder in reverse and do things over. And she said, that's I just wish i could rewind it uh she said uh there's no way possible not any of us not me bill or willie would have ever ever ever ever stepped foot in that car that's what she says well you did she said quote

just rewind it there's no way possible not any of us would do that so yeah so she's found uh they find the six screws that hold the steel lid on they pop it off uh here this is uh the faith tabernacle churches in nelsonville uh there the uh chief of police says the body was very much intact a number of photographs and identification was found so they knew it was her they said quote once we were comfortable that summer was in fact the body we had located, I then arrived back at the parents' home and told her parents what happened, which had to be horrible. Not only is she dead in a horrible way, this is where we found her.

God damn it. So cops said that they found her body was clothed and wearing the same outfit she was wearing on the surveillance camera from the bank. She was wearing a black T-shirt, had her hair in a ponytail. Her T-shirt said, quote, I don't have an anger problem. I have an idiot problem. So she's got spunk. She's got three idiots.

Yeah, she's got a thrice idiot problem. So, yeah, she still had her purse on her arm. No. Still had her purse clutching her purse on her arm. Wow. Still had her purse, clutching her purse on her arm. Wow. That is a horrible. I don't know why, but that makes it worse for some reason. It's pretty amazing that it stuck around.

Stuck around, yeah. What kind of purse was it? She was clutching it. If it was one that was tight and she was clutching it, she would have stayed clutching it. It's fucking horrible, man. So they did say the autopsy revealed she was probably killed within about 45 minutes of being snatched off the street. They're trying to say at least she didn't suffer that much. They said she was strangled.

A plastic zip tie was positioned around her neck and zip ties around her wrists. Still there. Still there. She did not inhale any sewage into her lungs. Because she was already dead. Yeah, she was already dead when she was placed in there. So at at least she didn't yeah you know drown in a septic tank god fuck jesus uh police said that she was abducted by about 11 o'clock and that put they put her death between 11 and 11 45 p.m which was right before they turned the gps back on to get out of

there interesting right weird and uh also bruises on her upper and lower extremities from fucking fighting off three people trying to kidnap her uh they said the chief of police said quote it would appear that she was killed very quickly the evening of the crime try to make everyone feel a little better with that i guess i mean she was killed right after we showed up right after i mean we showed up she had been dead for 15 fucking minutes already that's how bad we are uh deputy coroner he uh he testified the official cause of homicide was ligature strangulation and uh they said this coroner explains that the zip tie around her neck was so tight that he had to wedge wire cutters under there to get it off and it wasn't easy to do he said it was hard to get wire cutters under it that get it off, and it wasn't easy to do. He said it was hard to get wire cutters under it.

That's how tight it was. It was ridiculous. Otherwise, he's cutting her skin. Yeah. He was trying not to do. He also testifies later that she was deceased and going into the tank. So on May 20th, the grand jury indicts William one and 2 with aggravated murder with death penalty specifications,

by the way. Also another count of aggravated murder and kidnapping. Also tampering with evidence and a gross abusive corpse. Yeah. Super gross. Yes, that's pretty fucking gross.

Fucking disgusting. So the Williams were charged with that. Sandra Inman pleads not guilty by reason of insanity. She is were charged with that sandra inman pleads not guilty by reason of upset of insanity she is only charged with kidnapping and abduction and uh she is charged she pleads not guilty by reason of insanity judge orders her mental evaluation now she's in jail and uh she ends up jumping from the second level of an indoor common area like one of those two-tiered jails she fucking leapt off the jail a lot a lot yeah and uh she didn't die or anything though she just

had minor injuries yeah it's from the thing over the rail what do you got 18 feet in the air ow i hurt my arm shit now i'm in pain but a lot of swan dive sugar land on your face bing it's like and even then good luck it's tough it's tough so she was treated at a hospital and returned to jail there june of 2012 william jr is the first to go to trial here or supposed to go to trial he's up for the death penalty yeah uh he has tried uh and they moved the they moved the case they relocated it to Ross County, Ohio here. And a jury ends up finding him guilty of all charges. And following a mitigation hearing, the jury recommends a sentence of life imprisonment without the possibility of parole. But that's not the final say.

So sentencing comes around for William Jr. And this is a good one here. The judge says, you, sir, may indeed fuck off. He imposes life sentence with no possibility of parole. None on William Jr. Summer's family seemed happy with the verdict. Her aunt said, quote, we were all so relieved. We were afraid they would let him go.

My first thought is that uh that it doesn't bring summer back but i still feel a relief yeah my first thought was uh he almost got back to those fucking kids yeah that's terrifying because he would get the he would get custody oh oj got to yeah you're gonna get him eventually god uh so uh they said that a family member said quote he showed as much emotion as he had through this entire time, which was nothing. So they were talking shit about him, obviously. Now, a friend of hers described the relationship between William and Summer as scary. They said still Summer gave him several chances to mend their crumbling marriage. And he just kept fucking up. and her friends described her as full

of life and quote like sunshine flowers and butterflies and uh dead and so and then the jury got to go yeah fuck you yeah and the judge too now june of 2012 still sandra uh she pleads guilty to a murder charge with some sentencing agreements here now uh the sentencing for her this is rough because they have uh the the the court readings from the family are are brutal on her uh yeah they said that uh the the her the kids summer's mother wrote a letter to the court that's read where they said six-year-old alex has to ask, how did Mommy die, and when did she die, and all that sort of thing. Think about how sad the possible answers are.

Daddy killed Mommy. Daddy strangled Mommy. Daddy and Pawpaw tortured and strangled Mommy. Nana only drove the car, listened to the tortured screams, and watched Mommy be buried in a septic tank. This is what she wrote in the letter. This was read out loud. Sorry, Alex, you will never have a Mommy and Daddy. Alex asks asks when can i see nana oh i'm sorry alex you'll never grow up

with a nana either so uh quote how long will he cry about losing so many people he loves no doubt his grandparents his mother his father he lost most of his family fuck all these kids and to until like a fault to a cold heartless shithead guy that doesn't hurt near as bad no yeah it hurts to a grandma who her motivation was these kids yeah and now you you the reality of how much you've destroyed their lives is going to set in fuck them up good so uh yeah this is read out loud here uh now sandy says uh she was crying in her statement and she she was crying so hard they said it was difficult to understand her. She said, I'm so, so sorry.

That was never supposed to happen. I loved Summer. She said that she believed that Summer's boyfriend was mistreating the children and that they were in danger. And she said, quote, that is what led to her. Her lawyer said, quote, that is what led to her participation that evening, which went horribly awry she never intended for harm to come to summer so the judge says you ma'am yeah may fuck off sentenced to 15 years to life that's pretty tough in prison 10 years for kidnapping three years for tampering with evidence in one year for gross abuse of a corpse and she's in her 50s and she's, she's in her late 40s at this time.

He ordered the sentences for the lesser crimes to run concurrent as the murder sentence rather than back-to-back. So she's eligible for parole in 15 years. So she's eligible soon for parole. Actually, this year she's eligible. This was 2004. Wow.

So she's eligible for... Oh, no, I'm sorry. Jesus Christ, 2004. This was 2011. Yeah. She's not eligible for parole until 20 26 i don't know why i thought it was that i don't know so she's set there william senior is now set for trial too and he's not giving in oh he's panicking he's going to the going to trial and he's up for the death penalty also uh they also do a change of venue for him because there's a lot of publicity yeah

it's too much mother found in a church parking lot septic tank this is pastor this yeah this is too much shit here uh so uh yeah he gets moved to another county and uh they do all this they get all the change of venue shit finally february of 2013 is his trial so a couple years later uh now uh he wanted to take the stand he said uh and he ended up not taking the stand later uh now they brought up the specman who was the officer who got the confession out of his wife that led to the the recovery of summer's body and uh they tried to get him basically to uh to elicit they tried to elicit testimony regarding a portion of the statement that sandra made to him in the in the interrogation room i wish to elicit a statement in which sandra told speckman that her son

was solely responsible for strangling summer with the zip tie, and that William was in the front seat and had nothing to do with it. That's a good point. He wants that introduced there. Now, the state was made aware of this and objected to it. They had a big discussion about it, and they tried to introduce it at trial and everything else, and the court did not permit this to be introduced because it's such a complicated hearsay law. It's a police. It's very much if it benefited.

It's so hard to explain, man. I read like for 10 pages on the part I'm having trouble with whether or not that matters is that even if your son is the one that's responsible yeah you're his dad and you were there sitting right fucking yeah you could have said hey don't zip tie your fucking wife and while mom that's driving couldn't find the knife what what were did you have your feet up on the dash i mean help help look for that shit asshole that's so jesus i just don't i don't i don't care if that matter i don't care if that's introduced or not at this point just because your mouth and hands should still work yeah absolutely but it turns out it was hearsay that was basically her defending herself and implicating somebody

else and it didn't have an intentional original intent of anything with him and so it doesn't it's not allowable even from a police officer even if it's a statement on the record super fucking weird here so uh he ends up being convicted obviously uh the so the sentencing comes around and they hear testimony whether he should receive the death penalty or life in prison obviously and this guy i want him he's a smug fuck isn't he uh his sister tammy took the stand to testify on his behalf to keep him from getting a death sentence uh he told the the jury that uh that their father beat them as children which makes no difference in kidnapping a woman uh also told the jury that uh that william helped her battle her heroin addiction

and is a good guy and got her off heroin. Got Summer off heroin? No, no, no. Got his sister, who's testifying. A psychologist also takes the stand for the defense, and he testifies that William's childhood changed him and the beatings caused him to want to zip tie and kidnap women and dump them in a fucking septic tank. Jesus Christ.

to want to zip tie and kidnap women and dump them in a fucking septic tank jesus christ they also said that uh that sandra and uh william had a hard time conceiving that's why they only have one kid they wanted more but they said quote willie was a miracle and which is why grandchildren were so precious to them which is why they could do nothing else but kill a woman over them well your one kid turned out like shit yeah i would thank god you don't have more so williams uh attorney says in the final statement quote if you vote to kill bill inman it won't lessen the tragedy to any degree if you vote to kill bill inman it won't bring summer back i don't know uh so uh a statement by bill was read to the jury he said quote i regret my actions i can't undo what i've done I'm sorry for the families that have lost. I'm sorry for my family and my grand family.

I'm sorry. That's all he had to say. Following all of this here, the the the summer's parents wrote a letter that said, quote, you killed a sweet, loving 25 year old mother of your grandchildren because she wouldn't stay, which is bad. year old mother of your grandchildren because she wouldn't stay which is bad uh summer's sister thanked the jury and then said quote bill you may never forget the light you took from this world and may god's will be done yeah which is some biblical shit on his ass impressive uh summer's brother also uh dressed bill and called him a bully and not a man of god yeah and said quote you took away a beautiful soul with love and compassion and not a man of god yeah and said quote you took away a beautiful soul with love and compassion and not a man of god so take that so the judge has all this to consider yeah and he says you sir

may fuck off life without parole oh damn it life without parole i was hoping he was going to come in and go like tarantino we're going to kill bill one and two. Yeah, sorry, both of you. Gone. I feel like it's one of those things where if Bill, if Junior, who actually strangled her with a zip tie, doesn't get death, you can't give someone else who didn't physically participate death. Oh, that's right. You got a good point. Either both or none. You can't have. I thought he had it. Senior can't get death if Junior got life without parole.

That's my only thing there. Got it. Just for fairness terms. So the next week out of all this... I mean, eventually they will kill Bill. They will kill Bill. And they will kill Bill, too. Fuck, hope so.

So the very next week after Dad is sentenced, William Jr. there, Billy, is imprisoned at the Ross Correctional Institution in Chillicothe. He's put in a segregation unit as discipline after a shank is discovered inside of a cell that he made carrying shanks he's got a shank uh they don't know why he had it but the reply they do they do say that william had sent a letter to his father during the trial in which he referred to having a shank

what a dummy and then they searched his room and guess what they found a fucking shank he wrote to his dad i has a shank i has a shank now i love this by the way in this newspaper article about the shank it says at the bottom of it quote the word shank italicized is commonly used as a prison slang to describe any homemade weapon behind bars so in case anyone was yeah curious about a shank in 2013 whack when that was written now they know anybody hasn't seen a movie at all yeah so this is fucked up i have uh i have this i found this site that that will it looks like summer's family helped put it up and gave a lot of pictures and all this and there's a lot of comments on it and most of them are okay and i found a real asshole comment and i feel like this is like this is like a problem when people when people act like this this is what um this causes a lot

of issues and i and i want to fucking read this assholes thing just to say this person's an asshole and say that it's probably the opposite of this in case anybody's thinking this way quote i don't think anyone is condoning what the inmans did i'm certainly not first of all when you start with that sentence it's a little you're about to condone it however yeah however the whole story capitalized of what happened is and needs to be exposed truthfully as there are plenty of other women in similar situations hearing this story and reading this blog. Let's hope they don't read what this asshole is about to write. Yes, Summer had every right to want a divorce.

She had every right to fall in love. But when someone is living in a violent, abusive, abusive atmosphere, you don't stoke the fires by running off with a boyfriend and then later posting the abuser's children sitting on the boyfriend's lap on Facebook. That was foolishly dangerous. That added fuel to the fire of an already highly contentious, nasty divorce, and it was maddening to the controlling abusers. The moment Will Inman threatened to kill Summer, her boyfriend, her knight in shining armor, needed to take Summer and the children to a domestic violence shelter, of which there are several in a surrounding area, where Summer and the children would have been protected throughout

this horrible divorce. Wow. Then what? Then what? When it was all over, they're going to live in a fucking shelter for the rest of their lives? Their, quote, their, that's a quote for some reason, love life and future together needed to be put on hold until the courts made their decisions and Summer and the children were

safe. You don't get to tell somebody how to grieve. No. Or do anything. Anything. Moving in together during doing the family pic on Facebook, wearing the I don't have an anger problem, I have an idiot problem shirt. Adam showing up at the Inman's house when she got her clothes.

All, in capital letters, would cause explosive reactions to, quote, and in capital letters, any person with a violent temper any person who's a fucking lunatic my heart goes out to summer her children her family her friends no this is what i mean you don't give a fuck you sandwiched it it's an asshole sandwich but it's time that people put it's time that people put a band-aid over their bleeding hearts and stop pretending what Adam and Summer did was okay because they were in love. Quote, they deserve to be happy. This needed to be about Summer and the children's, capital letters, safety first. They, in quotes, were blatantly foolish and provoked three people with violent tempers.

And sadly, it cost Summer her life. They made it sound like she was fucking walking around. She was going bear hunting. She's not Grizzly Man Summer her life. They made it sound like she was fucking walking around. She was going bear hunting. She's not Grizzly Man. That's what they made it sound like. She's poking bears all over the place. I said don't poke the bear as far as bring Adam there, but not in a way that I guess if you get killed, you get killed at that point.

That's the kind of guy that says what was she wearing? What a dickhole. Posted by Archie Bunker. I believe that was. They basically said, don't wear that skirt to the biker bar because if you get raped, you deserve it.

What are you doing? That's what they fucking, that's what that said. Why would you take a fish into the bear cage? People also have to control them fucking selves. Jesus Christ.

So Sandra Inman, the mother, is currently serving 15 to life in Dayton Cor correctional institution everybody else is serving life without bitches and uh that is a fucked up tale of uh of logan ohio and the inman family and poor summer cook inman jesus christ that poor girl she did marry him my god think about that she's with that guy since high school. Yeah.

High school. And, you know, she probably thought everything was fine. Finally, in her 20s, she says, I want to have a life that doesn't involve this fucking loser and his weirdo family. And we're just not getting along anymore. Because from the time you're 15 to 25, maybe you'll fall out of love. You were a teenager when you met. So sad. I mean, it's fucking stupid. So, I mean, mean it happens and then this

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with a gun yes we had an older lady who was packing heat not in a bad way she didn't whip it out no hugging us afterwards she told me me to be gentle on that right side. She's packing. Don't shoot yourself in the foot, Jimmy. Which now, in retrospect, looking back on it, she was in the first row. If anybody tried to do anything to us, she would have shot the fuck out of them. And probably several other people in the room because it's dark and people aren't that good at shots. But still, she might have wounded them also and at least given us a heads up to run.

Absolutely. So that would have been great. Lay down some ground cover. Yeah. What if somebody wants to lay down some ground cover on you, Jimmy? Where can they reach you? She's not on social media, so she won't be able to. But you can find me at Wiseman Sucks, W-H-I-S-M-A-N Sucks on Twitter, Instagram and Snapchat.

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