Small Town Murder - #111 - Two Sides Of One Story in Eatonton, Georgia

Episode Date: March 21, 2019

This week, in Eatonton, Georgia, troubles build between a divorced couple, resulting in all sorts of crazy behavior on the part of everyone. It all comes to a head, one afternoon, when a major confrontation takes place, in from to their 15 year old son... and everyone is armed! It will come as no surprise to anyone that this doesn't work out well, but that's only the beginning, as the legal waters are muddier than a Georgia swamp!Along the way, we find out that the Dairy Queen gets $1000, plus gifts, that you should never live on an adjoining property with your ex, and that some families are simply doomed!!Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman New episodes every Thursday! Donate at: patreon.com/crimeinsports or go to paypal.com & use our email: [e-mail] Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder & Crime In Sports! Follow us on... twitter.com/@murdersmall facebook.com/smalltownpod instagram.com/smalltownmurder Also, check out James & Jimmie's other show, Crime In Sports! On iTunes, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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hello everybody and welcome back to small town murder yay yay indeed jimmy yay indeed my name is james petra gallo i'm here with my co-host i'm jimmy westman thank you folks so much again for joining us on another crazy crazy small town adventure murder story that we're going to cover today. Really crazy, twisty, weird, lots of weird stuff today that we're going to cover that's just a crazy, crazy story. It's terrible, but fantastic. It's terrible, but woo-hoo, can't be weirder than last week, which is, I say that every week, because last week I said, well, it can't be weirder than the week before, and it was weirder, so you never know. That's a strange sound.

Last week, a woman killing both her husbands was an interesting twist that we who were also related to each other which is another small town murder at its finest everybody i'll be a husband's uncle this week going back down to georgia yeah it's been a while since we've been down to georgia and we've been getting called but go to georgia where's georgia where's georgia so we're going to georgia damn devil's been there since before last time we were there it's so much. And I'll explain a little bit of why we've hesitated on Georgia when we get into the case. But first off, a little housecleaning. Thank you, everybody, for your reviews and everything this week.

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Let's do this. Let's go on a trip, Jimmy. What do you say? Let's head on down to Georgia. Let's do this. We were in on a trip, Jimmy. Terrific. What do you say? Let's head on down to Georgia. All right. Let's do this. We were in Delaware last week. Bring that golden fiddle, James.

Let's do it. We were in the Midwest for a couple episodes there, Ohio and Missouri, and then we went to Delaware on the East Coast, and now we're going to hit our second Georgia episode. Only our second in 111. Is that right? And there's a lot of murders in Georgia, too. And I must explain quickly, a lot of the in georgia too and i must explain quickly a lot of the times i don't do murders in georgia because everyone i find you're like did that guy really do it

because the justice system down there in small towns i get probably in atlanta and places like that it's better but in small town georgia i don't know if right now it might be better but at least 20 25 years ago you know when we talk about murders you know in the 90s early 2000s something like that 80s your justice system in the rural areas is not wonderful let's just say that if it's just not in atlanta pretty much everywhere else it's pretty frightening gust i guess but for the most part pretty fucking rural it's pretty rural you find a lot of people that are you know exonerated later on after they're you know executed and things like that we get that a lot. It's a bit late.

Yeah, Georgia, there's a lot of weird race stuff with Georgia also where it would be like, you know, just stuff where I'm like, that's not really, I don't know. It's a hard one to pick cases that you can really pick apart here. Georgia's a popular state for just getting a crime off the books. Kind of. We'll put it that way. It's a little Adnan Sayedi. We'll put it that way where it's like, i don't know if they have the proof of it might have done it but i'm not sure it's not good enough to put in front of a jury i don't think cell phone technology

a little shady and no one trusts jay so you know let's get on with that his word sucks yeah he's as well when you have eight different we'll talk about that later actually we'll have a bonus episode on stitcher premium i think and we'll talk a little bit about that but uh we're going to eatonton georgia okay uh eatonton georgia eaton ton ton there's already a ton ton at the end we'll add it again it's e ton ton yeah it's georgia was there already an eaton georgia where bobby eaton is the king of the midnight express member bobby eaton, was the king of everything. That's an old wrestling reference. Enjoy Jason Fuller.

So, this is in central Georgia. By the way, he does enjoy it. I know he does. He likes it. I throw in a little weird old school reference for him. He jumps behind the wheel of his truck. I bet. I'm going to say we're going to...

He's shaking. He's going to take somebody off the road with him. Perfect. If you see a swift trucking truck or some shit like that, whatever he drives. Jackknife in the middle of the lane and take out four Kia Sols, then this is why. That's Jason Fuller. So central Georgia. So central.

Right in the middle of the state. Anything that's that central is practically panhandled. You're too much in the pan at that point. You're right in the middle. It's not good. It's a little off to the east maybe because atlanta's kind of more in the middle it's about an hour and 15 minutes southeast of atlanta uh three hours to chattanooga tennessee up if you keep going north and uh two hours and 15 minutes to santa claus georgia our last episode that was

the last one possibly the weirdest town we've ever covered maybe well there's two circus towns so i don't know. It's a toss-up. I thought it was in North Pole, Alaska. That's true, too. But that wasn't in that town. No, no, no. That was just...

She just happened to be there. She happened to be there in the beginning of the episode. That was the Pennsylvania episode. Okay, that's what it is. Sunbury, I think it was. Yeah. This is in Putnam County. Zip code 31024.

Area code 706. 21 square miles. It's a big area. There's a lot of woods and lake. Swamp. Yeah, it's a big area there's a lot of woods and lake uh there's yeah there's a big lake uh there and uh there's a lot of woods it's a there's some rural area so it's spread out it's not like a little tiny little town center or anything like that the motto of this town and this is no shit yeah this is not me making it up because this would be a terrible joke okay uh quote welcome to the briar patch.

No. That is the town motto. We'll talk about why. But you're Eatonton. You're not the briar patch. Well, we'll talk about why. Just say welcome to Eatonton. Welcome to Eatonton.

Well, the briar patch because they are Br'er Rabbit obsessed here. Really? And we'll talk about why in a minute here. Br'er Rabbit that we'll talk about is several writers were born in this town. One of them is Joel Chandler Harris, who is the author of the Uncle Remus stories where the Br'er Rabbit came from and where it spun off into Song of the South, the Disney movie in the 40s. They got that. And that's Splash Mountain, right? That's what that's exactly.

Which nobody knows what the fuck that's from. Right. Everybody on the on the rides. I don't know what movie this is. What movie is this? Who are these people? What's going on? My daughter's like a Disney trivia aficionado.

It's the only reason I know that. I only know it because my mom's old enough to have watched it. Jesus Christ. Song of the South sounds like it's banned a long time ago. They stopped selling that shit a long time ago. And they're like, we drew black people really poorly in this. Let's pull this off the shelf. This is not also seems like something walt disney has tattooed on his bicep that's yeah maybe possibly uh also uh the author uh louise prudent hunt uh was was

there a 19th century poet and uh alice walker who was the author of the color purple oh is also from there so a lot of i don't know what it is about this town producing writers. It's a small town. So very strange here. Now, there's a site there, the Rock Eagle Effigy Mound. It's a Native American archaeological site. It's north of the city. There's two sites there that are east of the Mississippi River that are these particular things.

And there's only two of those sites and both of them are in Putnam County. Everything else is west of the Mississippi. It's like a, I don't know, a fucking tribute to the to the tribe. It's the man or something. The way they describe it, the mound and related earthwork constructions were made by woodland culture peoples, perhaps as long as 1,000 to 3,000 years ago. So this is some seriously old shit. The site's within a 1,500-acre park, which the University of Georgia takes care of,

and the mound is on the National Register of Historic Places there. That's so mystique when you call them woodland creatures. Not creatures. Woodland peoples. Woodland culture people. Culture. Yeah, it's a particular. We're talking 3,000 years ago.

They were just like, I don't know, that lump of people. We're just going to lump them together. Woodland people. I don't know. What the hell. Yeah, so these are like biblical Old Testament people. These are fucking very old people. They're like biblical Old Testament people.

These are fucking very old people. So now after the American Revolutionary War, Eatonton was founded in 1807. After all that got going, it's the seat of Putnam County. So God damn it, someone's going to come. You know there's some guy sitting there. I just picture some guy in like a Confederate soldier uniform sitting there with a musket on top of the records going, ain't nobody going to get these from me. Nobody going to gonna get my records we are hanging on to them county seat these and my guns from my cold dead hands if you're a if you're a long-time listener you'll know that uh we've had an inordinate amount of towns where people uh towns have fought with each other over the records

there's been like gunfire and burning shit to the ground and deaths over. I want the records. The records were lost also. Yeah, everything. It's been a mess. Yeah. The town was named after William Eaton, who was an officer and a diplomat. He was involved in the first Barbary War, which do you know what that is?

Do you want to give me some? I think it was when uh when jillian barbary said something yes very very progressive on tv and jillian barbary actually they got in a fight it was it was a on on one of the nfl shows on fox in about 2004 she actually got into uh an altercation with howie long yes that resulted in him losing half his flat top it was very very traumatic for everybody watching she swung one of those big titties at him. Yeah, she did. It was one of her little dumbbell things that she's...

She's always selling some workout. She was working out. She was pumping, and then he said something. Next thing you know, pow! Half a flat top gone and a chunk of his scalp. Hell yeah. She's not taking any shit. She was like the bear at the end of The Great Outdoors.

The Great Outdoors, yeah it's gonna just right down the middle that's what he does now he's like i just keep it short on top so no one notices he keeps it long in the front and back of his high top of his flat top so no one sees brings the crown up and no one sees the valley in there of missing scalp so uh barbary war was actually 1801-1805. It was the first of two of these in which the United States and Sweden What? Yeah, I've never, this is the only time you'll ever hear Sweden in action.

The U.S. and Sweden fought against four North African states known as the Barbary states. The Tripoli, Algiers, Tunis, that area there and Morocco. Oh, okay. So itis, that area there, and Morocco. Oh, okay. So it was down there. Yeah.

We were trying to, I'm sure, dominate an oil region is what that probably was there. Now, apparently the cause of the U.S. getting involved was pirates from the Barbary states seized American merchant ships and were holding the crews for ransom. Okay. So it was a pirate situation. They were demanding that the U.S. pay tribute to bring their ships ships or pasts they were trying to pull some mafia shit basically you must do this you know it must pay me to pass uh the u.s at that point they said no and uh sweden had been at war with them anyway so we said fuck it i guess we'll help out because i guess our cause is kind of linked with yours now

fucking year was this this was 1801 to 1805 uh yeah it's uh it's there it was pretty well even there with weapons at that point yeah at that point i don't know how what the technology is but with the ship ship wise we had ships i know so who the hell knows now uh after the war here uh after the revolutionary war like i said people moved here and it here and they began to develop cotton. So this became a big cotton region. And it finally was a city in 1879. It was incorporated. Now, after the cotton gin was invented, which kind of sped up the cotton industry a little bit here, it was huge there. Cotton was just thriving in Georgia, obviously.

This is kind of center of the cotton belt, if you want to call it here. And a lot of slaves in this area. Also, the Civil War, obviously, was a big deal here. And I have a description that comes from the Richmond Sentinel, which is a newspaper, on December 2nd, 1864. And this is reporting that when the townspeople learned that Sherman's troops were going to be there within a week, if you're not a Civil War buff at all, or maybe from another country, Georgia's down south. General Sherman was a northern general, and he basically came through the south and burned it all the way to the sea, as he put it, and just said, we're going to fucking destroy this place. That's the Scorched Earth theory. From way to the sea as he put it and just said we're gonna fucking destroy this place that's the scorched earth theory from here to the fucking ocean and uh yeah the water puts it out it was a yeah it was not a good time for the south it's pretty much why the south is still

pissed off now yeah and still sell confederate flags at every fucking flea market their ground is still warm so yeah i don't know if that's the reason why or uh they're still just mad that black people are allowed to move about i'm not sure i'm sure it's a combination of the two we're just fucking with yourself so we're kidding around so uh this is it's this was a week before the troops got there they said quote we found eatonton agitated the streets were thronged with horsemen some moving out to look for the enemy and some prudently moving the other way. The windows and piazzas were lined with ladies and children, many of the former and all of the latter, very pretty and all dreading the advent of the vile vandals. So they are fucking shit was, you know, worrisome when they got there.

you know, worrisome when they got there. Now, after the war and everything, in 1919, May of 1919, in a five-hour period, five black churches and two black lodges in Eatonton were burned to the ground. No one was charged. None. No, seven fires, including five churches, which is kind of a big deal when you burn down churches. I wonder if the white churches mind if anybody would be in trouble possibly uh no no one charged this is you know 1919s this

is hardcore this is some clan times this is birth of a nation is playing in fucking theaters this is crazy shit here uh so no one ever gets charged with arson so the first half of the 20th century basically uh black people left here like crazy. Sure. I wonder why. Weird, right? Weird. Yeah.

You can't even praise God here. No. Well, no. Not in that building anymore, apparently. So the county population dropped by more than half from 1920 to 1960 during this time when black people moved up north and everything like that. And, yeah did so it was a big deal here and rural people moved to the city because there was more mechanical shit less farm work and that sort of thing here now uh november 22nd 1992 an f4 tornado came through

here oh shit with winds of 260 miles an hour wow wow that's fast that's really fucking fast the storm caused 27 million dollars in damages in the town which i didn't know the town that's everything that's every trailer they could muster uh to houses and businesses the tornado killed five people and injured 86 wow that's a tornado right there that's like a school shooter yeah that's that's a lot of people that's fucking crazy and 27 million in damages too that's a lot so uh yeah now in the 21st century the whole jesus christ since the last 20 years or so eaton has been become known as the dairy capital of georg Hell yeah. Because now the dairy farming industry has been huge there. They are the dairy capital of Georgia.

Stay tuned for more on that. Fantastic. And things to do, because it's fucking hilarious. Really? Oh, yeah. People in this town, population 6,512. It is down 4% since 1990. So, you know, not too much of a change but so the dairy no growth apparently

the dairy is not not booming here a lot of lactose intolerant people yeah they're not they're oh i don't know it's a little i don't like cottage cheese i'm going over there so uh median age here is about a year younger than normal it's here it's 36.2 a year and a half below the norm uh more females than males by a good amount it's about 52 and a half below the norm. More females than males by a good amount. It's about 52.5% female. The five to nine-year-old demo, children of five years, ages five to nine, that demo is double what it usually is. So there's a shitload of little kids here. It's the Target Dairy demo.

Yeah, that's the thing. Forget it is. Those kids are sucking down milk and cheese sticks like nobody's fucking business, man. That's the chocolate milk group. There's walking around just stomachs hurting nobody's shit in three weeks doubled over the school toilets have cobwebs on them in the bathrooms you go to the stalls there's just cobwebs across them nobody is shit ever the most constipated town in georgia but the farts forget forget it. Oh, God. The worst. Always windows open. Yes.

Ma'am, it's 31 degrees outside. Windows are staying open. Keep them the fuck open. Did you hear that? That's why. That happens every 10 seconds. Put that cheese away. No more.

Forget the noise. Do you smell that? Keep the window the fuck open. Apple juice, somebody? Please. Somebody have some broccoli and move please. Somebody have some broccoli. Move something. Somebody bring some juice boxes in there for Christ's sake.

Jesus. And some fucking gold goldfish. Some Cheerios. I don't know. Jesus. Fiber one bars. Pass them out. Damn it.

These kids. Have you had one of those? No. Don't eat a fiber one bar. If you have things to do in the next two hours you have no problem shitting why are you eating fiber you have no idea this he's whenever we go anywhere shitting is a thing we'll get to the airport i gotta i gotta shit real quick i'm like who doesn't shit before they go to the airport he just shits randomly drops it off he could like go behind a

corner for a second like what are you doing he's just like shitting in his bag real quick. Throwing his like, how did you shit like that? He just shits all the time. A five or one bar will ruin you. Just one of them. It's an all day event. It's crazy. Jimmy Turd Trail Whistman over here.

I'm like a deer. You are. You're leaving pellets behind you. Like a rabbit. But they're all fast and small. You're just firing them out it's not crazy it's just constantly doing it to save it all up or something i don't know to figure out a get you gotta move you to eatonton for a while clog you up for a couple days and then

unload on like a bear getting ready for hibern could eat moss and sticks and leaves. Moss. Make like a bear butt plug. Jimmy's moss dinner. This looks good. So, Jesus Christ. Oh, Jesus. That's amazing. Moss dinner. But the plug's got to go from the inside out.

You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Anybody could go grab one from a store. Come on. It's got to be adjusted to stop what's going on back there. To stop everything. Yeah, you need like a big, like a bathtub plug thing. Yeah, because otherwise. You put a bathtub yeah because otherwise you pull up just to clock it off for a couple days

you know one of those bad boys that's what i'm gonna that's what i'm gonna do i'm just gonna eat a bathtub drain yeah there's a plugger from a bathtub that'll fix it yeah as long as i get the string out first kind of intestinal iud i don't know what you need something to work on some shit for you it's like a gerbil it's true man all right no sorry that was a gross side i think i i think i took it there honestly i think i started talking about your shitting i really you just brought up a Fiber One bar, and I said, hold on. Let's discuss your bodily functions in detail. Wait a minute. Everybody stop.

Jesus, fuck. I'm going to shit this chair. All right, cool. That happens sometimes. So married population is less than normal. People are a little younger. I guess maybe that's why. It's about 46%.

Nothing crazy. Everything else is pretty normal. Div things like that uh more people are single with no children here so i don't know for whatever that's worth a lot of people more people are single with children here too so more single people yeah uh race of this town uh 30 percent white oh it's the lowest white we've ever had i think that is impressive yeah 30 especially for georgia for well it's the south there's the south has your has it's pretty much from what i've covered in this i obviously i haven't lived all over the south to know this but it seems like there's black towns and there's white towns and there's some towns that are mixed and they mix in the cities and then they separate again as they go out into the country i figure the more rural the the the i don't know if it's a racist but it

seems like the more rural that's it's more more populated densely by the the not down south white people that hate the city yeah yeah yeah well down south though there's black people that are rural too there's been rural for generations and they stay rural it's just uh there's everywhere shit but especially in the south yeah in new york you don't see a lot of people that are rural too. They've been rural for generations and they stay rural. It's just everywhere. But especially in the South. In New York, you don't see a lot of people that are living like, there's not a lot of black people in Oswego.

You know what I mean? But down South, it's different. So here, it's 57% black. Usually 12% is the average in the US. 0% Asian.

0.0% Asianian point far uh 12 percent hispanic yeah so uh it is it's it's uh it's a mix it's there's mixed here it's diversity let's find out okay uh religion 34 percent are religious which is very low for the south as we found out 14 the most are baptist because baptists are the catholics of the south as we know obviously here uh 0.0 jewish yeah yeah no no jewish people coming down here at all 0.0 muslim no thank you is what they've said to eatonton georgia that's incredible thank you now now uh putnam county as far as voting goes the county it's in uh 29 of the people voted democrat last election 69 republican it's a conservative area even in that county uh here unemployment uh it's five

percent normally it's about four percent in the rest of the country so it's about average household income though is not average median household income in the united states is fifty seven and a half thousand dollars here it is fifty or thirty four thousand here so uh good uh twenty three thousand under where it should be that's tough twenty percent of the people here make under fifteen thousand dollars a year twenty percent twenty another twenty percent make between twenty and thirty thousand dollars a year forty percent or under thirty grand sixty percent of the people make under fifty thousand dollars a year 40 or under 30 grand 60 of the people make under 50 000 a year here in this town it's that's yeah that's not not great uh as far as opportunity goes here come on dairy start charging more for your fucking milk and there's there's manufacturing jobs which i think count that industry here uh that seems to be like kind of the bulk of the jobs there's a very low

in anything that's like white collar therear. There's no science. Are you science, professional, technical, that sort of thing? There's really none of that. Financial and insurance stuff, it's a third of the normal. It's a blue-collar kind of place. Cost of living, 100 being regular par average here, it's 93. So its cost of living isn't even that low. Also, usually that low of an income, it's usually pretty low. The housing here is 91.

So it's a median home cost here is $169,600. Jesus. So that's not that low for an area that's got such low income. You priced 60% of your fucking population out of the market already. That's it. And if you want to be there, you can be there. We have for you

the Eatonton, Georgia real estate report. Your average two-bedroom rental here is about $800 a month, which seems like maybe the better way to go. I'm not sure. I found a three-bedroom, two-bath,

1,700-square-foot fucking disaster. It's a mess. Has it been fixed since the F4? Yeah, it's pretty much the F4 came through. Also, it was still recovering from being a Civil War battleground. Before that, I feel like. Sherman burnt it down first, and then the tornado came through, and now it's on the market.

So enjoy this fucking disaster. Only $55,000, though, for 1,700 square feet. Historic, though. I guess. Doesn't look it. Looks like a piece of shit. I found a three-bedroom, two-bath, 2,200-square-foot house. It's nice.

Put together. Appointed very nicely decent place uh 182 000 for this that's kind of your average kind of family home there then i found a four bedroom three bath 3200 square foot house and it's nice big detached garage big giant porch around it yeah right on a lake fuck all of that sort of thing. You're going to pay for that, though. $975,000. Almost a million dollars. Almost a million, which does not sound like you want to be in.

But it sounds like a dream place. It sounds beautiful. It sounds like somebody's summer home. A wraparound porch, James? That's the coolest fucking thing. It's some rich person's weekend home that comes from Atlanta on the weekends and sits by the fucking lake. You know what I mean?

That's what I feel like. Somebody like that. Found a resident review here, which are always my favorite. Resident review. Quote, we have lived in Putnam County for two years on the lake and are very unhappy overall. The schools are awful. Education is very poor. Drugs and drug-related crime is very bad for such a small town.

We currently are trying to leave the area we do like the small town but this area has been a major disappointment especially for raising our kids so yeah it's a nice place it sounds like uh things to do the putnam county dairy festival baby and it's all about that hosted by the pilot club of eatonton georgia uh this annual festival is an exciting day for the whole family as they put it it's all about that. Hosted by the Pilot Club of Eatonton, Georgia. This annual festival is an exciting day for the whole family, as they put it. It's a tribute to the dairy industry and

local dairy farms. The festival acknowledges the success of Putnam County as a leading dairy county in Georgia. Oh, yeah. They have all sorts of shit here. Family gatherings, activities planned, they said. It's going to bring people in. They have a Dairy Queen competition.

Oh, Jesus. Not affiliated with Dairy Queen, of course, but she is the Dairy Queen, they call her. Last year's, the reigning Miss Dairy Queen is Miss Haley Jameson. Good for you, Haley. There's a picture of her on there. Very nice young lady. Does there have to be like a disclaimer after every time they say her name not affiliated with the restaurants not affiliated with brazier

or any licensed dairy queen so uh dairy queen didn't tell us what brazier is no those fuckers just threw that up on their sign without anybody knowing that is now then we have to fucking google it it's a goddamn grill just say we make food we make food shit and ice cream and stuff no grill it's less letters it's so stupid fucking how dare you nobody knows what they're talking about and they don't know they have food and their burgers are fantastic they're the greatest so good uh the queen will be awarded one thousand dollars that's a deal fantastic additionally the queen will receive a number of gifts from local businesses. Here you go.

Here's a fucking six pack of milk. I don't know. Some cheese sticks. First, second, and third place winners will also be selected to serve with the queen as her court and will receive gifts also. She has a court. She has a court. She has a whole thing. Dairy underlings.

Dairy jacks. Dairy jacks. No, they're also dairy princesses that are now going to receive gifts as well. Great. And also there's the Uncle Remus Museum, which is all rare rabbit shit. Oh, okay. I'm sorry. The dairy thing is way fucking more interesting.

I had to go with that. I apologize. Do they like do any sort of like go fuck yourself to like almond milk or anything like that? Yeah, they should. They should. They have a tribute and then like an anti-soy campaign like an evil soy plant coming to like rape a cow and a cow like eats the soy and stomps out all the almonds just looking back scared going crime rate in this town we're interested in property crime is low about 25 percent under the uh national average and violent crime murder rape robbery and of course assault

the mount rushmore of crime is almost double the national average so people are getting their fucking kill on over here and their their violence on for a small town strong it's made them strong and angry that's what they are the hormones well their stomachs are killing them that's the problem when you're furious when you haven't shit in a week and it's building up i mean when you've got that plug in and no one's pulling the chain i mean jesus christ you can you get violent after a while imagine two very constipated people living in the same house together things get kids running around they can't shit either everybody's farting everywhere the whole house smells like farts everybody's mad there's gonna be violence is what i'm getting at at some point there will be violence a milk shit sweat there is oh good lord you know it jesus so uh let's talk about a couple of people from this town and a murder, as a matter of fact. All right.

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Wallace Marvin Fugate III. Fugate alone? Yeah. That is actually, he is not at all. Everyone calls him Buck, which is the least Buck, B-U-C-K, like uncle, which is the least aristocratic name possible. So he wants to let you know I ain't nobody fancy. Just to let y'all know, my parents went off and named me something with a lot of things

in it and words of syllables and shit we narrowed it down to buck i just call me buck yes so like the naff like the naff yeah so the third as we know anytime there's a junior or a third or worse a fourth involved or if you get into a fifth they're just forget about it they usually don't make it they don't make it that far yeah the lineage usually ends pretty quickly if you're a fourth and you have a child you name him the fifth he'll he'll he'll probably die in the crib at a young age is what we're saying he just won't he won't last he'll just shrivel up the symptoms just the symptoms yeah it's a crime and sports reference

it's not here they won't understand that well some of them will yeah uh about a third of them what are the symptoms james well this is a long story all right but there are two symptoms what are they yeah is that a baby yep should it be alive yep is it no okay that's the symptoms of sins yeah there's no other symptoms it's a long story but we went over that whole thing and those are the symptoms there's a checklist baby check yep should be alive yep yeah yeah is it no nope okay that's it terrible i know that's that's a terrible thing in the context of where it came from it's it's very very funny so uh wallace marvin fugate the third or buck as we'll call him from now on. If the man wants to be called Buck, you know. You can have it.

If the man wants to be called Muhammad Ali, goddammit, we should respect his wishes. I'll call him Muhammad Ali. No follow-up to that? I don't remember the next line. His mama named him Clay? I'm going to call him Clay. Sorry. Jesus, coming to America references here.

Flying out of here. I don't remember. Left field. Like, please, Jimmy. Jimmy, coming to America references here. Flying out of hand everywhere in the left field. Like, please, Jimmy. Jimmy, swing. Jesus. I got nothing, James. Finish my sentences. I'm in the corner.

Chamber number nine, verse 32, only speaks about Brooklyn Zoo, Jimmy. Brooklyn fucking zoo. I got nothing. Damn it. Damn it. I'm trying so hard. He was, too. The Rolodex was started. I'm trying so hard. He was, too. The Rolodex was started.

I had so many gears spinning. So Marvin Fugate here, Buck, Wallace Marvin Fugate III. Buck, he's born November 24th, 1949. He marries, when he's about 21 years old, he marries a woman. He marries a Patty Diane Nelson, who becomes Patty Diane Fugate after that. They get married in 1970. She's like 18. He's 20.

So this is late 60s, young romance, married early. Scenes from an Italian restaurant played out in live form. Right in real life. Right in real life is what it is here. So they end up having a child also uh in 75 their son comes along great um they name him wallace marvin fugate the fourth oh boy they call him mark for some reason which okay at least buck's like a nickname mark isn't a nickname mark's a name you could have called him ted his name is fucking wall is marvin jonathan and they go with mark mark no how about marvin marv yeah maybe maybe he's a bitch and they're like he's gonna be a mark one day he's a bitch-ass mark this motherfucker

they went like 1990 west coast rapper bitch-ass mark bitch-ass mark maybe they were maybe they were carny folk it's possible this kid's nothing but a mark nothing but a mark nothing but a mark he's gonna get pickpocketed every day he's never gonna be able to take people down with table games never he'll tell them that the thing is too big for the ring to fit around and then they're he's gonna just be giving away briar rabbit dolls left and fucking right we can't have that right stuffed briar rabbit flying out of here like crazy so they're married um they have uh 20 years of marriage what's uh relatively uneventful um i mean they have typical kind of

marital issues as far as they have fights and they have things like that uh when asked by friends their marriage is just described as nothing out of the ordinary which who knows what happens behind closed doors too because this was we're talking from 1970 to 1990 so you know it's not like uh a lot of things came to the forefront and if it happened inside your home right i feel like you deal with it on your own yeah a little bit seen it's fine yes but maybe a little more in the rural in a rural area too i'm not sure so uh but i mean there's nothing crazy uh they say like like their friends will be like they weren't all lovey-dovey all the time but they weren't at each other's throats either they were just like yeah we're married we have this kid

you know let's make our bills and make the best of it and try to get on with our lives here you don't kill me i don't kill you hey end of the day it's fine we walk away we do like a thing like a dealer at a casino we put our hands up and we take a fucking like so uh the late 80s though things start to get a little uh a little contentious among them uh there's uh they start having fights more and like he'll leave and come back and then there's uh uh conflicting reports of uh he was dating a woman at one point but we don't know if it's while they were still together while they had broken up or things like that so kind of typical end of the marriage you know shenanigans and bullshit that goes on with we've both been

divorced it's it's a mess it's a it's a weird estuary period between uh that and life and the rest of your life. Yeah, it's where you're you're trying to gather how they're going to treat you versus how you're supposed to treat them based on how they treat you. And then you never know until you get into a group. And then then we just treat each other shitty mutual. Yeah, you're not in. You're not out. It's just this weird.

It's like this weird standoff with a stray dog where you're like, are you going to bite me or do you want to get pet? Are we going to be cool about this or is everybody going to be a dick? I don't know your name. You don't know what I smell like. What's going to happen? Are we going to just turn and walk the other direction? Maybe I'll pet you. Maybe you'll bite me.

Maybe you go lick your own balls and I walk away. Sounds good to me. Sounds great. Sounds fantastic. So Buck here, he ends up finding a woman while they end up breaking up. Now, Patty and Buck, end of 1990, a divorce ends up being final. It's done. They file for divorce and all of this.

Now, Buck is dating a woman named Connie. And he started dating her in about 1989. And it's kind of, we don't know whether maybe that helped the divorce happen or if it was a result of it or what we're not sure what came first here the chicken or the egg gotcha or if they were having problems they were about to get divorced and then he found somebody else and who knows what a georgia name connie connie connie connie got two kids yeah so it's uh buck and connie all right and uh her two there's so many of those in georgia buck connie let's do it now patty uh begins dating a man as well uh patty begins dating a man named

steve fields and uh steve fields apparently will hang out with mark because mark's a teenager at this point mark's you know 15 years old uh steve likes to like ride four-wheelers and shit like that around on the trails and do all that kind of shit. And you should know better than to say somebody's your kind of guy. You never know. You don't know where this stuff is. You have no idea where this story's going whatsoever. I just like his hobbies.

Yeah. Well, at least one of his hobbies. Twenty-six minutes from now, he's got four children's heads on the posts of his bed while he sits in the middle masturbating and chanting the lord's prayer and jimmy's like my kind of guy he was so much cooler when he wrote man that does not happen by the way and that would be a crazy episode that's a horrible show you'd probably heard about that one already i would imagine by the way off the subject completely every once in a blue moon i want to do a murder that's not technically in a small town but is very panhandlish and has all

the small town aspects of it would anybody object to that shit like that if we did that that's kind of like maybe a suburb no i don't want i'm not gonna do something that happened in you know in time square right i'm gonna say if it's like a suburb downtown denver area technically got a few you know more people than we cover but it's a small townish feel to it or something and so i found this one case that we have to cover it i i've read it 20 times i keep going back to it and i'm like maybe it maybe it's in a different town i i keep searching and it's it's in the it's in a place where it's at this gated community because this is what happens. God damn it. So anyway, Patty's name is Steve Fields. I don't know if he lives in South Carolina or if they go to South Carolina sometimes with him because they'll go to the beach in South Carolina to go see him.

Which if you drive in Georgia, it's not that far from the beach at all. which if you drive, you know, Georgia, it's not that far from the beach at all. Now, January of 1991 is when Buck finally moves out of the family residence. Before that, he was living there because financially they're not wealthy people. He does construction. He has his own little company that he runs and he works for people and he does whatever he can. He pieces together a living. she has a job as well and uh you know so she they're middle class blue collar people yeah together they do okay but apart it'd be rough yeah kind of lower middle class um and and just they're making ends meet but it's not like you

know they can't be like let's take a three-week vacation and go to europe like that's not happening if they took a three-week vacation they would be destitute they'd be ruined it's all over they'd be behind and it would be oh yeah they're that kind of they're living kind of paycheck to paycheck like fucking like me half the country i was gonna say more than half the country that's normal shit yeah that's a very familiar uh very familiar situation i can taste this right yeah this is i know what i know what this smells like i know what it smells like in this house it smells like cheese parts yes so and once in a while some off-brand detergent because you can't afford the one when it's not on sale yeah that's that's what happens so uh yeah he ends up moving out in 1991 and moves january of 1991 it

moves into a trailer uh belonging to somebody named jd hallman uh it's located this is a trailer located on jd hallman's property behind his trailer okay so we're stacking trailers now this is not good this is again a small town murder trope a fucking stacked trailers multiple trailers on one property this is bad uh one trailer per property please can we have that so uh buck was having uh problems with patty and uh they were fighting a lot at this point basically uh patty would go to the trailer and they would argue and then he would go to her house and they would argue and they would argue argue argue they would and they would poke each other this is they had like a 20-year relationship or afterwards they were like okay i'm i've been

wanting to whatever piss this person off and so they're gonna they're poking each other and it's everybody's shit we don't know what happened during the marriage there's not a lot we don't know if he you know was violent or anything like that we don't know it doesn't matter no violent or not i mean it matters lot, but in this case, just the outside from the divorce on, they're both being dicks for the most part.

For 20 years of marriage, they've got 20 years of baggage of shitty things to say to each other. If one lets it go and then the other one contributes, it's just not going to stop.

It's going to keep going and keep going and festering until somebody takes a swing. Worse for the kids because you're both talking shit in front of the kids it's a fight it's a mess it turns into a mess and then they involve their friends and their family and this one's mother hates you and then you drop the kid off and they're fighting and it's a disaster just wash your hands of each other stop it yeah that's the thing yeah an amicable agreement is always best here even if

it's not amicable even if like i don't care just be the bigger person be like i'm not gonna fight with this person i'm not doing it anymore i got a divorce so i don't have to but you i know that thing believe me i know yeah it's that thing it feels so good to say that one thing yeah because you wanted to say it before but that's something you couldn't say before because it would cause a fight and now you can just hang up and that's the difference would be on fire in the front yard but guess what now half my shit's in my fucking apartment you can't do a goddamn thing about it god damn it you guys know about my deflating air mattress it was the greatest time of my life same thing so uh yeah so uh this apparently this jd hallman

uh ended up talking to patty about it a couple of times too of like hey why don't we not try don't start arguments in like in my multi-trailer property i'm saying maybe somewhere else isn't this trashy enough to live on the same property you're gonna stand between two trailers and argue with your soon-to-be ex-husband who just moved out of your trailer you know what i mean this is sounding a little suspicious so uh should i pick a banjo on my property while y'all do this because i could do it i'll sit up in a tree and we'll talk about it play some brad rabbit song shit she she ends up getting a restraining order against him okay this comes down on uh january 26th uh or this comes down in the late january of 1991 and it says here that uh i have the restraining order here actually i've

never had more documentation on a case than this we'll talk about later on where it came from but there's a site where it literally has everybody's statement that they've ever made yeah i mean everybody's statement every every report every everything so to me this was like i love all this and at the same time i'm like holy fuck how do i make this two hours like that's this is insane it's like it's a serial amount of information literally like it's like a crazy you know we could write a book we could write a book about this case literally and it's instead it's it's we're gonna try to do it in two hours so if anybody is familiar with the case or uh anything like that and you're like well you left that out there's

no way it's all going in there so we're trying to hit the most relevant things and all that sort of shit so i have the restraining order here though and it says and i quote the defendant meaning buck just should have just said buck yeah uh shall have until 6 p.m january 26th 1991 to remove the following items from the plaintiff's property all tools and shop garage and house ladders lumber including but not limited to tongue and groove pine boards treated lumber framing material and cabinet plywood because he's a construction guy uh air compressor in house collection a collection of hats belonging to the defendant. How many hats did he have?

They're all trucker hats. How many hats did he have where it was like taking up room? Get all these goddamn, the fucking room is full of hats. I'm going to tell you something right now. I have a lot of hats. You know how white trash we are? I have a shitload of hats. There is a brass hat rack at my mother's house that is so heavy with hats, if the wind

blows, the fucking thing falls over and it explodes. Hats fucking everywhere. They don't even... They don't even hook on the... They just are melded to each other with gravity and dust. It's terrible.

And they're all hats that could just be thrown away and nobody would give a fuck i keep mine very organized in my closet because these are all shit hats yeah but yeah these have these say like like stewie's garage oh okay they're just like nobody gives a fuck yeah they're not like a hat nobody went somebody went out and spent 30 bucks on and right and they're also not even hats that you could like put in goodwill and like a hipster would buy they'd be like were you fucking out of your mind there's something that somebody would wear while cleaning a pool. They already have lights.

Then they put it on. Especially the Joe's pool cleaning hat that you have. That one especially goes. There's probably one in there. Yeah. So I don't know how many hats he had, but apparently enough hats to where it needed to be documented and fucking property and legally told

to be removed so i don't know that's a lot of hats hay located on the defendant's property uh adjoining property okay this is the other thing he when he first moves out he moves out i should have said this before he moves out this jd hallman's property is connected to their property so his they're next door basically on adjoining trailer lots where that's why they can argue so frequently back and forth they don't even have to get in their cars imagine the fence yeah you just scream shit it's a tin trailer he's gonna hear uh apparently there is hay this is hay located on defendants adjoining property but only accessible from plaintiff's property i gotta get the hay out of there. They have an Aladdin's Castle pinball machine, which sounds awesome.

It does. I'll take that. That's still up for grabs. A Freedom pinball machine and a Speakeasy pinball machine. They have three fucking pinball machines in this house. Why does he have so many pinball machines? I don't know. This is awesome, though.

I want a pinball machine. Jesus Christ. Why are you getting rid of that, Sugar? You've got a kid that would love that. Apparently not. I'm sure they're half broken. I'm going to fix this someday and it's just sitting in the living room. I'm missing power.

And they use it as a hat rack. You know how that goes. All of his hats are on the pinball machine. Absolutely. That's why she wants that. A wood stove belonging to the defendant's mother, a bass boat, motor, and trailer. That's pretty cool. And two racing go-karts in the garage

and all accessories for them. He's got some shit. Fuck yeah, he's got cool stuff. That's a lot of... Go ahead and say it, Jimmy. That's my kind of guy. He's your kind of guy. You know what I mean?

He's got pinball machines and bass boats and go-karts. I like it. Yeah, you'd hang out with this guy. Hey, Buck, what are you doing on a Saturday afternoon, pal? I will always call you Buck. Shit. Now, they said, all items here and not removed by 6 p.m. will become property of the plaintiff. This is a legal document that says this.

Yeah, she's saying, get it out or I'm keeping it. The spotted horse Apache is awarded to the plaintiff. They have a horse Apache. On or before February 1st, the defendant shall notify the plaintiff. They have a horse Apache on or before February 1st. The defendant shall notify the present custodian of said horse in Twiggs County, Georgia, of this award and request that plaintiff be granted access to pick up the horse. He's got to tell his horse people that she's coming to get the horse. It's hers. Now, defendant shall deliver authorized delivery of the following items to the plaintiff by February 1st.

A saddle, bridle, and all tack used for the horse, Apache. Also, a CB radio and antenna formerly attached to the plaintiff's van. He took it off her van. Apparently, he took it off her van, and he's sitting there, breaker, breaker, whatever the fuck, in his house, in his trailer from next door. Texas Tinder. Yeah, Texas Tinder. That's what he's trying to hook up because i'm gonna find me a lady on here that's how we got connie texas tinder yeah breaker breaker anybody coming through eatonton there any pretty late oh connie that sounds good you sound like a pretty mama put the hammer down

connie get over here jesus christ uh yeah so a small battery charger also for the CB radio. $500 now located in, I guess, in cash, now located in a safe owned by this J.D. Hallman. I don't know if they had like a $500 prize between them, some sort of their escrow. I don't know what the fuck it was. It's an escrow and this guy's safe in the fucking trailer a on the property behind them she is counting up all these things that don't equate to the dollar value of all the shit on her property yeah sell i mean that's probably what a horse is worth a horse shit all the horse stuff it depends on the quality of the horse probably it could be an old horse if it's old it's probably nowhere that's what i mean it could be a shitty old horse but she wants it apparently unless it's young maybe they just who knows but a bass boat seems

like it's worth more than a goddamn horse that's what i'm go-karts and pinball machines you can sell those jesus christ there's hipsters everywhere looking for those hats that shit know it uh it also says here except as described herein each party shall have sole rights and all their and all items in their possession and all property awarded by the separation agreement back in October. The defendant shall have minimum visitation rights away from plaintiff's residence with the party's son, Mark, on the first and third weekends of each and every month from 6 p.m. Friday until 6 p.m. Sunday. The defendant shall have one week's visitation rights beginning at 2 p.m. December 25th and ending at 6 p.m. Sunday. The defendant shall have one week's visitation rights beginning at 2 p.m. December 25th and ending at 6 p.m. December 31st.

God, I hate that. They have all this shit in writing. Oh, that hurts so bad. Wow. The defendant shall have visitation with the minor child for two non-consecutive weeks during the summer. Prior to exercising this visitation, right, the defendant shall give plaintiff

two weeks notice of his intent to exercise said right wow this is fucking crazy this is what i mean this i'm reading this to show you the the degree that this has gone to right to the point where i'm not reading it to be whatever over detailed about it i literally want you to know the point where they've detailed every a year from now right you're going to have him at 2 o'clock on this day for this long. It's nuts. I mean, that's, I guess, what you have to do when you have beef with, you know, these problems. It's gross. It's hard.

You just want people to just get along so that you can, you got a child. Man, this is terrible. You should be managing minute to minute what this child's going to do. For a year in advance. The defendant shall have visitation rights with the minor child on Father's Day and shall thereby not forfeit his visitation rights on alternate weekends. So if Father's Day doesn't fall on his weekend, he can have them on Father's Day and his regular weekends.

He will forfeit his visitation rights if Mother's Day falls on a weekend otherwise scheduled for a visitation rights if Mother's Day falls on a weekend, otherwise scheduled for a visitation by defendant. So if Mother's Day is on a Sunday, which it is, then she gets the kids that day, which whatever. The defendant may also visit with Mark at other times by giving 24 hours notice to plaintiff under the same conditions described herein. The plaintiff shall encourage Mark to visit with his father, but Mark shall decide when and if he wants to visit with his father. So basically they're saying, don't talk shit about Buck in front of Mark. You have to encourage your son to go see the husband. Absolutely.

Which a lot of times, that's a problem. They go, well, you don't have to go. That's fine if you don't want to. You don't want to go? That's okay. You want to just stay home with Mom? Yeah. You want to do that?

What happens? Fucking jerk. So the plaintiff shall ensure that her son is ready at the time stated for visitation with his father on the first and third weekends the defendant shall contact plaintiff or mark by telephone on the thursday before visitation begins on friday and arrange for a place other than the plaintiff's residence where the defendant shall pick up mark for visitation and return him after visitation is over. So they're doing outside parking lot drug deal kid drop-offs. The worst.

Not even at the house. Defendant shall pick up Mark and return him to the place agreed upon at the time specified herein. Defendant shall not enter upon plaintiff's property except at her express written invitation. So you can enter her property the same way that you can rebroadcast major league baseball with the express written consent it's the only way you gotta get a save the day to come by yeah there's a legal documentation uh the plaintiff shall not enter uh the defendant's adjoining lot without express written permission so the other lot that she owns that he had it first for some reason yeah and in any conversations between the parties by telephone or in person the

parties shall limit themselves to a discussion of visitation and other matters related to their mutual concern for their son mark they have legally specified what they're allowed to talk about on the phone only about mark no fucking arguing no bringing up that her sister's a twat no bringing up that her mother fucking you know made a comment at christmas that her ass looked back none of this shit is allowed on the fucking phone okay only about your kid you assholes this is a lot of documentation and rules for people that literally live 500 feet away from each other to have to yeah this is like i mean you shouldn't obviously you shouldn't have to say all this here's one you really shouldn't have to say uh 0.18 in the uh restraining order the party shall refrain from hitting striking threatening following telephoning

slandering or otherwise bothering irritating or harassing each other yeah that's that's a law already you don't have to write that down officer it's basically don't do anything illegal also try not to be a dick that's it don't be illegal and then legal dickery also fucking chill out and be nice on the phone be nice about mark because that's all you're allowed to talk about that's it nothing else to even talk about nothing else to discuss the parties shall sincerely and diligently strive to foster a good relationship between their son and each of his parents. This has to be in writing.

Attorney's fees shall be awarded to plaintiff in the sum of $400. He's got to pay for this on top of that. Okay. Now, this is obviously has gotten out of hand. Yeah. Has gotten to a very contentious place. It's horrible. Now, Buck says that he was having trouble with Patty.

So, according to him, he said, and it's true, it turned out later, he asked the sheriff, Sheriff Resso, for advice on how to handle the situation. Yeah. He said, what do I do here, Sheriff? I don't want to be arrested, but I live right there. I can't come on the property uh but you know we have all these crazy rules and what's going to go on so the sheriff told him he should move out of eatonton uh and uh the whole town yeah that's it uh now this he gave him mob advice fuck out of

town you should get out of town get out of Eatonton. No, literally, they were very much like Eatontons in this town. He said, if you're around, eventually Patty's going to get a judge to believe the story she was saying about him threatening her and things like that. And the sheriff said, I'm going to have to lock you up. If you're around, there's going to be problems. And eventually the sheriff's going to go, you know what? She's probably telling the truth. And your ass is going to get locked up. So if I were you, I'd probably move away from the situation.

He probably doesn't have to move out of Eatonton, but move off the adjoining property. Certainly. Probably. That might be smart. Get out of earshot. Just move on the other side. Yeah. Just get out of earshot.

That's all. That's it. Move on out in the holler. Down the road to peace. You shouldn't be able to put your ear to the wall of your trailer and hear her phone conversation. That's probably bad. So Wallace ends up taking his advice, actually, and he moves in with Connie. Her name is Connie Roach, by the way.

Oh, yeah. Connie. They move to Milledgeville, which is nearby, not too far away. Why have I heard that? Why have I heard of Milledgeville? I don't know. Oh, it's an outcast song uh i hate southern rap all right it's it's a it's in a southern rap song yeah millageville uh n word it's real okay it is yeah m-i-l-l-e-d-g-e

phil it's it's thug living out there from what i'm told oh i don't know by outcast oh i don't know so buck and connie yeah thugged up as they are are in midge milledgeville and uh and her uh and her two daughters are there also so he moves in with this woman and her two daughters uh he had not changed his mailing address buck though so he keeps getting mail at the trailer there uh you know back in the adjoining property trying to picture by the hay bales by the hay bales he continues to just leave my mail by the hay i'll pick it up every first and third weekend i'll grab my mail he's in millersville so now he's rhyming shit put my mail by the bail yeah no no shit now uh i guess for some weeks leading up to late April and May of 1991, Mark had been asking his dad to come to the house, apparently, and fix a Mustang. He got kind of a broken down Mustang as a 15th birthday present to fix up by the time he's 16, I assume.

Very cool. So apparently he's been asking him to come over and help. Apparently this car was supposed to be Mark's on his 18th birthday. That was the deal. We're going to fix it up when you're 18 into your car. Badass. So he's been asking him to do that. Now, apparently some of this, everything from here on out is muddy.

I'm going to tell you that right now. That's why this case is can be 10 parts because it's this person's story and that person's story. And it's literally two people in the same place looking at the same thing, having different interpretations of it. It's really fucking a complete Kurosawa situation here. There's a lot of different stories that are all different from different angles. It's Georgia water muddy. It's very, very muddy down there. There's moccasins in it, water moccasins and it is murky some copperheads and whatever

hell else down there is i'll bite you so uh it's it's murky so uh buck says that he refused to go to the house uh while patty was anywhere around unless someone else was with him because uh there was a restraining order obviously and you know he didn't he basically wanted if so if someone else was with him because uh there was a restraining order obviously and you know he didn't he basically wanted if so if someone else is there to say i went out i went out in the driveway and fixed the car didn't fucking talk to patty didn't bother patty i was there at my son's request yeah it's better than if he goes on his own and then it's his word against hers basically he says that every time he talked to her he he had he would put it on like speaker and have somebody listen in so there would be a witness to it he said he tried to have witnesses to every one of

their interactions because he said he didn't want her making some shit up about him about you know something he said or a threat or whatever uh so you know that's it's it's it is what it is it's a fucking mess and he should just stay away and say, listen, Mark, I'd love to. If you get the express written consent of your mother and Major League Baseball together, you can get both signatures on the same form or in business. That car is going to be humming. It's going to be purring like a kitten in no time so jesus christ so uh on may 4th 1991 now there is some there is some discrepancy here

there's multiple different stories of how uh how buck ended up at the house on may 4th 1991 at the trailer but uh he ends up there he there's a story that he says his car broke down yeah by the uh by near the house and then there's another one where he says he just went over there to fix the car yeah period and that was that either way he does not have bud selig's authorization does not have. No. He contends that he is going there because I don't understand the once in a while the car breaking down near the house thing comes up. But then he says out of his mouth that he went there to fix the car intentionally. So I feel like if the guy himself is making a statement that's worse for him, that's probably the true one rather than that's like uh my car

just happened to break down near the house so i said fuck it i don't know nobody else i'll walk over there that sounds like something that's bullshit yeah so i'm gonna say that he just went over there with that intent like he says he went over there with the intent to fix the car he says that he was told by patty that that she would be in south carolina that day that they were going to south carolina that patty was in a hotel there he had a phone number he claims in his wallet for her hotel in south carolina so he could call to talk about whatever the fuck sure um so he had he had all her information he claims and he claims that she was going there and that that was what was going on just still doesn't you're still not allowed there no

so but if he went there to fix the car well she wasn't there nobody would be the wiser it would be fine everybody'd be happy for when that car runs all of a sudden but yeah exactly but it would be a different whatever it's it's all not wise he shouldn't do it i agree with that so uh he said he knew his son's car had mechanical problems and he says he's going to fix it uh at that point though he said that uh he didn't expect patty or mark to be home that day uh because of the south carolina trip now uh he calls this number several times during the day the phone number for her hotel room in south carolina yeah and uh telephone records confirm this which is weird because later on they'll try to say that he didn't have that number ever so it's a weird thing it's all a in South Carolina. And telephone records confirm this, which is weird because later on

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You can listen to episodes early and ad-free by joining Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts. So he called that number several times during the day. Now, the problem here is that uh uh when he gets there this is what i mean there's multiple versions of this in one version he's there and they come home uh in another version uh their home and he comes he comes there so there's two different stories we don't know who was there first got it there's two completely separate stories one both there one is mark's story and one is buck's story and they're totally different now uh uh to him he's

this is a buck story here uh he gets there and uh patty and mark came home shortly before 5 p.m while he was there uh he says this is this is the basic overview and then we'll go into the detail of it upon their arrival there was an argument between between uh between patty and and buck yes they do which quickly escalated into a physical altercation uh during the struggle a gun that yeah that was good by the way there's guns laying all over this house. What the fuck? The kid keeps a loaded rifle next to his bed. Oh, my God. It's rural. He shoots squirrels out of his sliding glass door. No.

Shit like that. And that's fine with these people. His mom's got a gun that she keeps. He's got a gun that they carry. Everybody's got guns carrying around. I don't understand. But yeah, everyone's got guns. Listen, my kids own guns.

And they will never see them unless we're somewhere where they can shoot them well this one's on the kitchen table fucking crazy 15 year old kid with guns everywhere and that's fine with these people so that's whatever that's a a regional that's that's kind of regional you know my kids don't own guns i was gonna say i don't think they're allowed to shoot specific guns themselves when you're with them right yeah they're allowed to see them when we're out somewhere where they express written permission right bud selig yeah everybody else selig baseball no not anymore he was was he yeah okay yeah he was but in 91 he was complete pile of shit yes and i think it was uh giamatti at this point did he die and then it was i'm not sure i

wasn't sealing okay quite yet or he might have just got there. But Selig was baseball. He was, yeah. He was the owner of the Brewers and commissioner of baseball. While we were talking, I saw the face of that little shit from the NBA. And I was like, is that Bud Selig? No, no, no. David Stern. Boom. Nailed it.

David Stern. Yahtzee. Different guy. Completely different guy. One's good at their job. And we miss him terribly. Yeah. Bud Selig, not so good. This new guy is a douche. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And we miss them terribly. Yeah. But see, like, not so good.

This new guy is a douche. Yeah. It's silver? It's not silver? It's better than with baseball. Isn't that hilarious? His name is Silver. Yeah.

His name is fucking Silver. Silver as they come, baby. That's what all that Wikipedia scrubbing is. Basketball players with their criminal records scrubbed off their wikipedia's come on man so uh anyway uh they end up coming home during the struggle there's a gun which buck had taken from his car uh and uh somehow during all this we'll just say uh the gun ends up being discharged twice gun ends up being shot twice first shot goes into a floor into the house yeah and the second shot uh goes into patty's head oh boy and kills her so that is uh the two

shots no more fighting patty ends up no patty ends up dead in the front yard god out of this uh in the front yard in the front yard this down. Yeah. Yeah, this is some... That's pretty far from the floor. Well, no, a shot that went, shot like through into the house and into the floor. Oh, okay. Yeah, it was a shred. It was from outside. From outside. Wow.

Into there. Okay. So, and another one was into her head. William ended up turning himself into the police. Or William, I said Buck. Buck, God damn it. Don't you dare. No. His name isn't William anyway.

It's Wallace. Oh, that's right. So it doesn't even fucking matter. Wallace Marvin Fugate III. Buck. That's right. Buck turns himself into the police and gives a statement just explaining that the gun discharged accidentally as he was trying to get Patty into her her van so that they so that they could go to

the sheriff's office she came home two shots accidentally yeah he says she came home they started fighting he said as soon as she got home and she freaked out he said let's go to the sheriff's office he said let's go get in your van take me to the sheriff's office then he goes i'll turn myself in right now he goes i don't want to deal with it he's saying in his story he's saying that he wanted to go to the sheriff's office so that there would be no you know confusion or no anything and and he explained the whole thing but yeah but he was trying to force her into her van to go to the sheriff's office and she didn't so that's a weird it's super if someone has a gun and they're like, turn me in, take me to the fucking sheriff's office,

I'll grab you and throw you in there. It's like, this is weird. Do you want me to turn you in or not or what's happening here? His story, he's admitting to aggravated fucking kidnapping. Oh yeah, yeah. At gunpoint.

Right. That's the aggravator. Or with a gun. Yeah, that's going to aggravate pretty good. Aggravate the shit out of this thing. That's smart. So that's going to aggravate pretty good. Aggravate the shit out of this thing. That's smart. So that's his story of the whole thing. Okay, now the details of it here.

First of all, we'll do the autopsy. I have an autopsy report, which, Jesus Christ, those are gross when they're detailed. They said there was blood, dried blood all over the face that came from her nose. They said this was from uh mark sitting her up and trying to help her blood came out of her nose yeah the sun here a gunshot wound is present in the central portion of her forehead just to the right of the midline uh there on the right side of the forehead above the eyebrow they're talking uh there's a contusion measuring two inches in length the upper portion of the contusion there's a circular it's a bullet wound

is what they're describing here i'm good accidental shot yeah yeah uh the left eye is uh the left eye is artificial and consists of an eye cap which is strange uh here she had a false glass eye the underlying globe is the left orbit is present but severely contracted it was surgically removed she had a glass eye from an accident when she was very young so she's had a glass eye since she was a young girl uh the uh right eye contains a contact lens and the other one shouldn't have great vision either uh there's no uh there's no marks of like strangulation or eyes okay no are they patiki marks yeah those uh nasal bones and facial bones are intact i said yeah like i know it's what you get from a

like a suffocation or lack of oxygen i've seen the dots but you're saying they're called this right yeah yeah absolutely shit yeah fuck yeah bro Are you acting like I don't know? So that's amazing. Small contusion is present underneath her right eye. Also, the neck shows a rectangular abrasion underneath the chin, about a quarter of an inch at its greatest dimension. Otherwise, the neck is free of acute injury or other abnormalities. Peck is free of acute injury or other abnormalities. The x-rays of the head demonstrate the bullet fragments in her central head region with other fragments in the forehead region and smaller fragments dispersed throughout. So it just destroyed her brain.

A.22 caliber? Yeah. This is a larger one. Really? I think this was a.32, but it's hard to – there's so many – it's weird. You'll find out. Now, this is another thing. I didn't know this. Apparently, I don't know if this is everywhere.

They call a body bag a disaster bag, the medical. The decedent is brought to the morgue in a red disaster bag, it says. I'm like, gee, I guess it's a disaster. It is. It doesn't get any worse than death, I guess. Well, let's just say body bag because it sounds less fucking horrible. Disaster bag. Good grief. Jesus Christ, man. get any worse than death i guess well let's just say body bag because it sounds less fucking horrible disaster bag good jesus christ man uh then they talk about a lot they also talk about no jewelry on the body but then they say no jewelry on the body in the autopsy but then there's also

a ring that that uh uh it's weird there's a there's a ring that they think that Wallace might have, they accuse Wallace, Buck, of throwing into the lake, but then also it's in exhibit photos at some point. There's some confusion with what happened to this ring. Also, they noticed some dirt and mud on the ass of her jeans, like she was sitting on the ground, which makes sense because she was, all that sort of thing.

They describe four different things here that they see. A distant-type gunshot wound to forehead with perforating brain injury and recovery of missile. Distant-type. This is not point-blank. There's no powder burns on her. This is not point blank. Just got to keep that in mind.

Blunt force injuries to forehead and occipital region and bruises to upper extremities and surgically absent uterus. I don't know what that's relevant with in here. He didn't take it. No. Unless they're accusing Buck of taking it with him. I don't know how that's relevant, but whatever. That's fine. This is the doctor just saying everything he sees. I found't know how that's relevant, but whatever. That's fine.

This is the doctor just saying everything he sees. I found all this. Her toenails are a nice shade of teal. They actually do. There's actually detailing of her nails. 100% she has, what does it say, lavender, and she has two nails that are painted differently than the other two. There's a whole fucking thing on her nails.

How about this? Yeah, it's very, very interesting. I kind of skipped over it because it's really not necessary here now mark is the important one here he's the he's a he's a living witness yeah and uh he's their son so you would hope that he would tell the truth about everything his mom he should and he lost his mom and everything else he has five different statements to the car over if they take different statements over time everyone is different and then his testimony is even different than that oh boy mark i mean he's a 15 year old kid yeah and all that sort of thing and we're not sure what happened here but uh it's a possible we don't know but we'll talk about his statement for a second

in his statement he says that uh that he ran to the back of the van and peeked when he saw them struggling, ran to the back of the van, peeked around and heard a shot. He said, I saw my mother's head hit the ground. I could not tell if he held her by the back or not. He had his back to me. He was holding her by the back. I think he was holding her by the head of the hair. He was holding her by the head of her of of the hair uh he was holding

her by the head of her of the hair i don't know what holding her by her hair is what he's saying but then he said that his back the father's back was to him so he couldn't see it so it's very weird uh they said at 4 p.m i'll give you the quote at 4 p.m uh me and my mother left work at hallman's we drove to rabbit skip road and mrs battles Mrs. Battlesmith's house. We have some horses down there, and we went to feed them. And apparently, they didn't have horses in that area. So later on, the defense pokes holes in that part of the story. He said, we stayed there approximately 45 minutes to an hour.

When we pulled into the yard, my red Mustang was backed out of the garage. Now, the hood was up and a new battery was in. There's also a bunch of, I could go for two hours about whether he bought a battery that fucking day or not. I swear to God. There's statements from different people, whether he got a battery charged or whether he bought one, a man fitting his description went to a shop by a marina and had a car battery or had a boat battery charged, but he said he was going to use it in a car. And it was a man of his description, but maybe not him. There's this whole big thing about the battery. Those marine batteries are great, though.

I bet. So let's just say we don't fucking know about the battery. But like I said, this could go forever. He says the battery was being charged, which doesn't make sense if he brought the battery in. He said that. Then he says, quote, My dad had been stealing building supplies from us. We could not finish building the supplies. We could not finish building the garage, which is weird because there's a shitload of building supplies in a restraining

order that he had to get out of their property. And steal them. She told him to get them out. So that's who knows if he doesn't know the particulars of their arrangements or if something happened and his mother just said that. We don't know what happened there. He says, quote, my mother tried to call the sheriff's office, but the line was busy. She was going to tell them that he had been at the house.

She tried to call 911, but it was out of order it always is down here dude this is that's shitty there's some weird shit in this in this i've never heard of 9-1-1 being quote-unquote out of order always it's always down out here he says uh when she could not get through she called aunt vicky in forsyth georgia She was telling her about my car. My mother was telling her about the restraining order against him. So she said that's why she was calling the sheriff's office. My mother told me to go downstairs and put clothes in the dryer. We were going to South Carolina to the beach. I heard some keys rattling downstairs.

I ran back upstairs to get my gun. I kept it upstairs beside my bed. Oh, boy. And he says he always has it loaded yeah it's a 22 rifle he says he went back downstairs and he was leaning up against the door i'm sorry a pistol he said he went back downstairs uh and he said his buck was leaning against the door with a pistol in his hand he said he was holding it up in his hand and grinning at me the gun was cocked this is what mark is saying uh mark says i pointed my 22 rifle at him uh it uh it only went click when i pulled

the trigger i guess he tried to shoot his dad is what he's saying and it went click and and buck says the same thing he fucking dry fired the 22 at him tried to shoot him. So, yeah, this whole thing here. Now, later on, Mark... It is a rifle, though. It's a rifle, yeah. Buck has a pistol. Mark has a rifle. Got it.

On cross-examination later on, Mark will say that he used some bullets the day before, and there's a whole mess with the bullets, and he was shooting squirrels, and was the gun loaded, or was it... says that that he thinks his father unloaded the gun ahead of time purposely on him because he knew he had it loaded and there was bullets laid out by the sliding glass door where the gun was but then in the in the evidence pictures the bullets aren't there but then in other pictures there's bullets there the whole thing's a fucking confusing disaster whether he says his

father did it on purpose took the bullets out on purpose either way the the weapons empty either way it's not firing so uh he says about uh mark says quote about buck he then started laughing at me and pushed me out of the way and run and ran up the steps my mother was still on the phone with aunt with aunt vicky uh and vicky or she told her to call the police and Vicki had told her that I told my mother he was down there. She ran into the room to call the sheriff's office because it was programmed in in the other phone. I ran up to him and hit him with my rifle. I think I hit him in the side. He hit her in the head with the butt of his gun.

She fell on the bed and he and he hung the phone up so he's saying he tried to protect his mother by hitting his dad in the arm with on the side with the rifle and then his dad ignored it busted past him and pistol whipped the mom while the mom was trying to call the sheriff's department okay that's the kid's story here uh now uh uh uh here uh he says he hit her on the fall of that. In a few seconds, she tried to get up to run. He grabbed her by the hair and dragged her into the living room. He was beating her.

She told me to call the sheriff's office, but the line was busy. He says that he the Mark says that Buck beat in certain statements that Mark beat patty with the gun 50 times was just like henry hill in the fucking driveway after after karen got uh not grim karen the other after after karen got beat up by the dipshit yuppie across the street there but worse but this isn't backed up by the autopsy report the autopsy like pesci afterci after the revolver's empty. Yeah, they're beating Billy Betts. Yeah, just beating the piss out of him. Just fucking popping him one.

So that's what we're talking about here. Like he's saying this, but the autopsy results don't show 50 contusions everywhere. They show one. Right. So that's a conflicting. And it's under the chin.

Yeah, well, no, there's one up by the temple, I think. Oh, got it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He said he was beating her. She told me to call the sheriff's office, blah, blah, blah. Quote, I ran up to him. He put the gun into my face. I backed up.

My mother was lying on the floor, and he had his foot on her throat. Mark said that Patty was holding on to the stair rail leading to his bedroom before that. So then he says, I heard his gun go off. I thought he shot her. That is the floor shot. That's at that point. I don't know if he was acting like he was going to shoot her and shot next to her or whatever the fuck it was. I thought he shot her.

Then he says, Mark says, quote, she started calling my name. He grabbed her by the hair again and he was pulling her outside he pulled her outside still hitting her with the butt of the gun he was trying to get her into the van he kept on hitting her with the butt of the gun and later on he'll testify that it was 50 plus

times in the head and chest with the butt of the gun which would show up all over the autopsy you can you would fucking murder somebody with just pistol whipping oh absolutely fucking crack their skull so heavy super easy and he's just beat just repeatedly beat but she's still conscious and everything else and fighting back is his story buck's a pussy yeah that's yeah buck this is not a good good thing here look good buck uh no uh they said that she had uh autopsy reports said that she had a one inch zigzag cut, which

does not match the butt of a gun. She also had a two inch bruise on her forehead, which was caused by falling and not from the butt of the gun. So there's a we don't know here. Now, he the Mark says he opened the driver's door. Speaking of his dad, Buck here, he was trying to put her into the driver's seat. So he was literally trying to stuff her into the driver's, which is the oddest kidnapping I've ever seen. You normally don't see someone pull someone out at gunpoint and try to force them into the car to go to the sheriff's department.

That's a weird thing. It's even more weird to just beat the living shit out of somebody, put them in the driver's seat and be like, you're driving. You're driving to the sheriff's department. That's stupid. How about? about yeah that's super weird uh he says she kept screaming but she kicked him uh so she could get out of the van when she uh when she did she sat on the ground he put her hands over uh she put her hands over her head to protect herself and uh and uh he says i ran over to the garage i started throwing stuff in the driveway so he could not leave so mark was trying to keep him there i think you'd want him to leave at this point so uh but i mean who knows in a panic you just you know keep him there so the

for the cops i don't know uh he said mother started calling me several times i ran to the back of the van i peeked around i heard a shot i saw my mother's head hit the ground i could not tell if he held her head back or not that's what i said before he had his back to me he was holding her by the head of the hair which i think he meant hair of the head it's a very very southern phrase yeah yeah someone's gonna go that's a normal phrase now we're gonna get tweets about that after he shot her he just turned around and smiled at me he jumped in the van and put it in reverse and left i sat on the ground holding my mother's hand i looked back as he was leaving i think he said i'll get you or i'll be back

and he was waving his gun yeah so that's what he says that's that's mark's story he says i felt for her pulse i could not find one and she was not breathing i walked into the house to get some extra bullets for my gun i could not find any i was going to take my life so i could be with my mother that's what he says uh then he says i thought i better not somebody needed to put him away talking about his father he says i called the sheriff the number to the sheriff's office i thought some man on the other end told me the number he told me to hang up and hurry hurry up and call so he called the wrong number and the guy was like i'm to the sheriff's office, I thought. Some man on the other end told me the number. He told me to hang up and hurry up and call. So he called the wrong number, and the guy was like, I'm not the sheriff, but here's the number to the sheriff's department.

You should probably call them, considering what you're telling me. Because I'm sure he didn't get on the phone. He wasn't just like, yellow. Yeah, no, is this who I talk to about a thing? No, he was probably like, my mom's in the yard, and she's shy, and blah, blah, blah. But the guy on the other end was like hello yeah hello whoa this is not how the sheriff answers the phone son he's like johnny's concrete what the fuck the hell are you talking about so uh masterson's bait shop yeah i don't i don't understand at all so there's different things here

with the sheriff department there's a bunch of calls on the phone record 533 to 534 uh there's different things here with the sheriff department. There's a bunch of calls on the phone record, 533 to 534. There's that one-minute call. There's a call to the sheriff's department that lasts 12 minutes. There's one that lasts one minute. There's all sorts of weird things. He says, I then called the sheriff's office and told them my mother had been shot. I kept giving my address over and over again. I took the portable phone outside and just sat with my mother until a deputy arrived uh and uh that's the end of his statement so that's his statement

that's his initial statement that's the night of this whole thing that's what he tells police and it definitely changes later on yeah because that story doesn't make any fucking sense it's a weird story now he have we have buck's version now now buck says well i ran back into the house i said well i could go down and this is he said he was there and they came home and he was like shit um what do i do they're home i thought they weren't going to be here she's going to be pissed at me i'm going to end up getting arrested over this so he says well i ran back into the house i said uh, well, I could go down in the basement and I could go out the basement and I could go across my neighbor's yard without being

seen. And so I went into the house, went down the steps and went and went to the basement door. At this time, I could hear them coming in the house, he says. And I couldn't get out that door that quick enough because she had put a number of locks on the door and I couldn't get them undone and out of the house. And I thought to myself, well, maybe they just forgot something and was going to run back and leave again. So I went into the bathroom that was downstairs in the basement and I stood there in the dark, which was the, uh, which there is only one window in the basement and the house and the complete house was dark. And I heard them upstairs and then I heard Mark come running down the steps. Well, when he did, he flipped on the light and that was in the game room.

And he told me that and he told me what he said is, I know you're there. Come out. I've got a gun. That's what Mark told him as he was in there. He said, now Buck continues. Well, I didn't move. I didn't say nothing. I just stood there because I knew I knew he didn't know I was in the house.

He's like, he doesn't know where I am for real. He's just saying that shit. I knew he didn't know I was in the house. He's like, yeah, he doesn't know where I am for real. He's just saying that shit. So now he's asked while he's saying this, did you in the course of your going through the house before, had you seen the gun or laid a hand on the gun or had anything to do with the gun? And he said no. Then they said, OK, did you even go into Mark's room?

And he says he didn't go into Mark's room. Mark claims that later on he claims that he thinks his father was sleeping in his room. He said his bed was disheveled and the radio next to his bed wasn't on the station that Mark listens to, but was on the station that his dad listens to. And his bullets were gone. Dad giveaway. Yeah, that's everything. And the gun was missing bullets or whatever.

So he said, anyway, he said, well, like I said, I just stood there. This is Buck. And I didn't move and I didn't say nothing. And he said it again. And I thought to myself, the best thing for me to do is just tell Pat to take me to the sheriff's department. She's all the time wanting to have me locked up. Like, basically, might as well give her what I want is what he's saying. Now I've been caught.

I don't want to. I don't want nothing to happen. I'll let them take me down to the sheriff's department. So I come out and Mark was standing there at the door by the light switch where he had turned on the light. And he told me to, I told him, I said, don't shoot son. I said, I'm not here to hurt nobody. And he, uh, and he didn't say nothing at that time. If he did, I don't remember him saying anything. And so I went upstairs, he made the statement that I pushed him aside. The room was 12 feet apart. It was 12 feet wide. He was standing at the door at the light switch.

There was no contact of me and him whatsoever at this time. He just walked by. Now, Mark said that he pulled the trigger of his rifle. It was a.22 rifle there. And they talk about different things about that rifle for a little while. said that he pulled the trigger of his rifle. It was a 22 rifle there. And they talk about different things about that rifle for a little while. Now, Buck says, quote, quote, the rifle was pointed at me the whole time, you know, from the time I come out.

The game room is over here and there's a bedroom here and the bathroom is beside the bedroom, which is the wall divides, which is the wall divides the game room and all. Okay. And I had come to the bathroom, come out of the bathroom and into the bedroom out of the bedroom into the game room and from the game room taking a few steps to go upstairs i think i'm getting the layout here and so on uh from that period he did in fact have the rifle pointed he said yes he did here uh so uh he says that he went upstairs and pat was on the phone uh he said she was on the in the bedroom on the phone he says i walked into the bedroom and she was talking to somebody i don't know who she was talking to i later found out she was talking to vicky which is her sister

i walked over there i mashed the receiver on the telephone i said would you take me to the sheriff's department you know you could have me locked up and at this time she looked down at my hand which had the pistol in my hand uh which i had the pistol in my hand but i didn't have it pointed at nobody because i know how dangerous a gun can be why do you have it out don't have it out put your belt loop and put your fucking shirt over his kid's got a gun on him let's escalate the situation uh so yeah he says well she was sitting up in the bed you know with her legs folded you know indian style i guess you'd call it and when she looked at my at my hand i looked at it because uh because i didn't realize i had the gun in my hand you know when you have a gun

in your hand i have never not known that i've never entered a conversation but i'm like would you look at that i've got my gun i've done that with my keys before where's my key oh they're in my hand like i've done that but that's not a gun i'm pretty you know what i'm saying people do that with their glasses oh they're right here on my head or hanging from my shirt or whatever the fuck i used to watch my grandmother do that while they were hanging from a chain around her neck and she'd look for them she's going i wish i could if i had my glasses i could find my glasses do i need to weld them to your fucking eyes is that the only way you won't lose them and then they were heavy as fuck yeah yeah jesus christ so uh yeah he says that uh he didn't realize he had the gun in her hand he says and i told her i said don't worry i ain't here to hurt

nobody i'll put this thing away all i said all i want to do all i want you to do is take me to the sheriff's department and so i started backing up from her because you know i was right there beside her and i didn't want her to be afraid of me because you know i wouldn't hurt her in any kind of way but i didn't want her to get scared but i didn't want her to get scared of me and so i backed up to the foot of the bed and i took uh i took this hand and i took the pistol and i was shoving it in my back pocket at the time okay now he says i was standing there i took my left hand and i took uh i took this hand and i took the pistol and i was shoving it in my back pocket at the time okay now he says i was standing there i took my left hand and i stuck it in my pocket you know how tight jeans can be and i had to pull it to i had to pull it open i took this hand and

started sticking my pistol in my back pocket like this he's got some tight jeans he's showing off his ass here and he's trying to stuff the pistol jam a pistol into tight jeans yeah now she he says at that moment she jumped over the bed and she hit me just butted me with her head which is uh that's a vicious interesting and it would describe the wound on the head there uh but i mean who knows if that's true that could also be he pitter in the head so who knows that's a fascinating first blow by headbutt yeah who does that i've never met a woman whose first first first move is fucking forehead into yours like giant like bear men do that like i don't mean bear like a hairy gay dude i mean bear

like dudes that are gigantic like big bikers who like to maul people because it's funny that that's their first move. They're like, what are you going to do now, bitch? Yeah, that's... I don't even need fists. I could do this shit if I was just a torso. I could kick your ass. She fights like a fucking dude in a bare knuckle match. So he says, without saying anything, you know, I was caught completely off guard and it knocked

me up against the door, which is the door swings inside the bedroom. He talks very Southern, by the way. And when she did, I hit the doorknob and somehow or other, I must have had my hand on the pistol at the same time she hit me because it flew out of my hand and landed in the hallway right there beside the bedroom.

And we both fell on the floor. Well, we both instantly looked for the pistol and she had seen it about the same time I did. You can see the movie thing here. Both our eyes meet, the pistol's on the floor. Well, we both instantly looked for the pistol and she had seen it about the same time I did. You can see the movie thing here. Both her eyes meet the pistols on the floor. We've all seen this scene a hundred times in the fucking movie. He said, and she grabbed for it.

When she did, I grabbed both her hands. I grabbed one, both her hands just like that and I asked her, what in the hell are you trying to do? And I said, you ain't getting that pistol there ain't no damn way and then after that and then and then after I grabbed her hands I shoved her back out of the way and I grabbed my pistol it was in my left hand at this time by the time I got to my feet she was already already on her feet too and she just started beating on me scratching me and I was backing down the hallway when I we got to the living room Mark was standing by the kitchen refrigerator.

He had the gun in his hand, and he had pointed it at us. And I hollered at him to put that damn gun down before somebody gets hurt while he's got a gun in his hand. And he never did put it down. And I backed to the steps that was leading up to Mark's room, which was the one in the living room there. And I told Pat, what in the hell's going on? I said, what in the hell do you want? I said, I ain't going to hurt you. I said, just take me to the sheriff's department.

And Pat told Mark, shoot him, shoot him. So he's saying that Pat told him to shoot him. She said something else, but I won't repeat it in the courtroom. I'd love to know what that is. Oh, yeah. Jesus. She called me some southern cocksucker.

Oh, man, I'd love to hear it. If I was a judge, I would have said, no. Right now, sir. Now. Bailiff nightstick right next to this fucking guy's head. You're in contempt if you don't say it. Until you repeat it. It's the C word, isn't it?

Say it. Say it. So he said, and I told Mark again. I hollered at him to put that gun down about and about at that instant i heard a shot and me and pat both froze at that split second i looked down at me and i looked at pat because i thought mark had shot the gun but then i realized it was my gun in my hand that went off you you didn't notice you didn't feel the kick of a fucking any gun as a kick you feel it fucking cap guns have a kick like that.

You feel like you'd notice if you shot it. Feel it all the way up your shoulder, sir. Not only that, the sound coming from there is different from the sound. Right. It's right there. It's a pop. And you feel it on a wave. That ear rings.

Yeah. There you go. What's yours ringing, sir? That one. Exactly. So he said, I realized it was my gun. And Pat had grabbed the gun that was in my hand i said it was still in his hand and uh he said i had it i never did point the gun at nobody

you know i always kept that gun away from us at all times and when she told mark to shoot me again i grabbed her shoulder and i spun her around and she was facing mark he put her in front of go ahead and shoot motherfucker wow this is crazy because at this time with the look in his eyes he was scared to death and so was i and pat was too i guess i don't know uh but at this time i grabbed her and i spun her around and put my arms around her you know across her chest underneath her arms where i could keep her from hitting me fucking full nelson just like a straight jacket pinned her arms down i thought you meant under her arms over the neck yeah just a whole got her in the got her in the camel clutch over here cobra clutch sorry it was the sergeant slaughter one there camel clutch would be on the ground

lots of camel clutch is like a pile driver no no it's the guy's laying on the ground you're pulling his chin oh yeah that's right it's a good one so uh very defensible but whatever he says uh and i said mark you ain't gonna shoot me with your mama standing here okay i know you ain't gonna hurt i know you ain't gonna hurt uh you ain't gonna going to hurt your mama either and she tries to kick and scratch and she couldn't get to me but she was reaching over her head you know trying to get me but she couldn't scratch me no more and like i said i had her around the chest so she couldn't get away from me besides i know if i kept her between me uh me and mark there was less of a chance that he would take a shot at me and i was kind of backing out of the door and i tripped on something and i fell uh so he's talking

about this he's watching a yankee read southern shit it's fucking because i can't read norm my own writing but i guarantee you i could blaze through that shit well i could here's the thing i could read it in the accent and fucking mock it but i'm trying not to yeah i try to read serious shit serious and then when we do like when i'm making fun of the guy then then he's gonna be a redneck i can blaze through here i could go you know he said, I tripped over something. I don't know what it was, what it was, but there was all kind of debris on the porch and there was just barely enough room to walk through that area. And as I was falling, I let go of Pat, but it was too late then and she was falling with me like, you know, and she kind of halfway turned before you know before we hit and she most of her most of her

body was on top of me when her head hit the floor and at this time the gun went out of my hand again because it was in my left hand and it went behind us toward the outside door and she uh she's seen it about that same time and i did it and she tried to get it. That's exactly what he said. You are much better. See? If you read it like that, Throw that incestuous shit in your throat, and you're better.

It works, yeah. See? He said he wouldn't let her get to the pistol, and she kept hitting and kicking, and I tried to get up, and you know, we kept kicking and falling. You know, we kept getting up and falling down, because she was so determined to get that pistol.

And I was determined to keep her from getting it because I knowed. I knowed. No, because I knowed if she had got the pistol, she would have killed me. Unbelievable. At least he didn't say killed it. In a court, he said knowed. He knowed. He said, eventually we I got the pistol and grabbed it with my right hand.

And I said, and I hand and I know more than grabbed and she was on top of me again and I was still, yeah, we were getting near the door and I was trying to get her outside and when we finally got outside and we were standing there, we were right beside the van, you know, the van was parked right there at the door. Explain that. Well, I was trying to back out of the door and she was still trying to get the pistol away from me. And so he says, we opened the door, which is odd. I don't know how that happened.

Yeah, he says, who opened the door? And he goes, we, well, we, sir. I don't know if that's an answer. You know, I'm not sure. We both did it. And then they said, well, who opened the door? And he said, the van door was open. So someone opened it. Somehow we got it together. Anyway it together anyway yeah he said and we were scuffling

there and we had both fell to the ground again and when we did i put my knee uh my knee in her stomach and i grabbed her hands with my left hand which was my free hand and in the other hand i had the pistol in it and i put it and i put it on her legs. And I put the pistol, I put it on top of her legs to keep her from kicking. Like, he pointed his gun at her legs to stop her from kicking. Like, I'll shoot your legs. Yeah. So, no, no. His arm he put there.

He says, they clarify. He says, I put my arm on her legs to keep her from kicking. At this time, Mark come out of the house and had a gun pointed at me. And I told him, I used some foul language. Let me put put it that way i told him he better put that gun down he said i used some foul language let me put it that way uh he said he's to put their foot down and say say it tell us the whole goddamn story fucking murder trial he said i've never pointed a pistol in my life at nothing or nobody he said well mark when he come out pat told him to shoot me again and that's when i kind of got rude with him he tried to shoot you twice already i'd say

rude he said anyway he left past the van and he went toward the shop and and the shop which the shop is up on the hill above the house i didn't know what what the shit i didn't know what he was doing at that time but i found out later but anyway after he left and i had a hold of pat where she couldn't kick me or scratch me or anything else because remember mark said he went around the back of the van it was in back of of buck uh he said where she couldn't kick or scratch me or anything else i picked her up i took my hands off the top of her legs i slid them in under her legs and i had her hands i picked her up and i sit her in the van seat in the driver's seat.

Because he said I wanted her, you know, to take me to the sheriff's department. This is insane. He says, well, I sat her in her seat. Now here we go. When I sit her in the seat of the van, I had noticed a spot of blood on her hair. And I told her, I said, your head is bleeding. I said, let me see what happened to it. Because it wasn't like I hated this woman.

She meant a lot to me, and I had always tried to take care of her and all that, you know, all that shit. And I still cared for her a lot. After I had sit her in the seat and I told her, you know, your head was bleeding, and to let me look and see what happened to her head, and I leaned in the van, I had the pistol in my right hand. I was up at the top. I was up on the top of the back of the van seat, and I had my other hand i was up at the top i was up on the top of the back of the van seat and i had my other hand on the seat of the van and i leaned inside the van she just laid back and she grabbed the steering wheel and the armrest of the van of the van seat and she drawed her legs up and kicked me right square in the chest with both feet as hard as she could which

caught me off guard i think that was the point uh and nobody knows what nobody knows that when they're fallen they're gonna throw their hands up uh he says and when i and that is what i done i throwed my hands up that's right in the court i didn't put that in there and throw it in no i'm not gonna throw extra fucking suffixes on this shit i throweded my hands up, you know, trying to keep myself from falling. And when I did this, and when I did, this hand here that the pistol was in hit the top of the door frame of the van and it discharged. Well, I hit the ground and jumped back because I figured she was going to jump out there and on top of me. And he said he hit his hand pretty hard because it was black and blue the next day it felt like it was broke but i didn't break it and uh he said uh uh and the reaction of my fingers

being smashed and my counter reaction i guess you know was to draw my hand back and when i did evidently i hit the trigger which i haven't had which i didn't have my hand on the trigger i was holding my gun you know upon the gun like i was holding it like I was going to shoot it or anything. Like I wasn't holding it like I was going to. Jesus Christ. He knows some trigger etiquette. Yeah. He knows to keep his finger off.

Yeah, he said he was like palming it. And when I got back up off the ground and she hadn't moved, she was just laying there. I walked back to the van door and she wasn't moving. I picked her up and she had been shot and I had her in my arms. For a few minutes, I held her in my arms and I tried to get her to talk to me. And I checked for a pulse. There wasn't no pulse. She wasn't breathing.

And I sit down on the ground with her and I was holding her and I just lost my head after that. I took her and I laid her on the ground. I got up, picked up the pistol and jumped in the van and I left. He said I was going home and I was just about there and two girls was pulling in the neighbor's yard. And I really wasn't aware of what I was doing until I heard them holler at me. And when they hollered at me, I said, well, I can't go home. So I went on through Milledgeville, outside Milledgeville. I was just driving around.

I had to stop and think. So I pulled off the road. I didn't even know where I was at. And when I pulled off, I went back into the woods. When I went up into the woods, there was a graveyard, an old graveyard there. And I took the pistol out and I got out of the van and I sat there and tried to think this thing out. I know if I turn myself in, know it again, I'd be charged with murder. And if I took my own life, everybody else would.

The last opinion they would have of me was I was a person that murdered somebody else. And I didn't want people thinking that of me because I ain't murdered nobody. Because I ain't murdered nobody. I mean, that's minimal second degree.'ve you've killed you've killed them you're certainly yeah you know you know that you killed them first of all let's be realistic here sir you know who you killed it yeah sir so also you're gonna go home it's literally right there where are you no no in midge with connie roach that's right hanging with connie so uh yeah he says that uh he didn't want people thinking that he said the more i sat there and thought about it there was two reasons

that came uh that come to mind uh reasons that i didn't want to die myself not that way and one i didn't want nobody to remember me in that perspective he said well i owed it to connie and the girls to prove my innocence if i could because they had become my family and so i said well i've got this i've got to get to the telephone and see how pat was doing which i knew but i just didn't want to believe yeah so he said he's got to call and check up and see if pat lived through that even though she Pat doing? Even though she was dead. Did she come back to life in the last half hour? Yeah. He says that he left there and he went to a telephone, a pay phone.

He said he called back down here to the sheriff's department. I called collect and the dispatcher said they don't accept collect phone calls. It's the fucking sheriff's department. If someone's calling you, take the fucking call. It might be important. Who knows? Take any call that comes in. At minimum, they need help.

At minimum. No one's just calling from China to fuck around. No. Collect. No one's calling to check on you. Yeah. So he said that I interrupted her and I said, this is Wallace Fugate. And then she told the operator that she would accept the call.

She told me to hang on a second. So evidently, she put somebody else on the line. And they wanted to. They love that, evident accept the call. She told me to hang on a second. So evidently she put somebody else on the line and they wanted to, they love that evidently. And they wanted to know where I was at. And I said, I need you. And I said, I need you to answer some questions for me. I wanted to know how Pat was. And she said to start with that, she couldn't tell me.

And I said, well, if you want to know where I'm at, you're going to have to tell me what I want to know. And I said, I want to know where i'm at you're going to have to tell tell me what i want to know and and uh i said i want to know how she is so she said the dispatcher told her that she wasn't doing too well and i said what do you mean by that she said well she didn't quite make it she's not doing too well what do you mean she's dead she's kind of dead a little bit dead slightly we got a slight death yeah in the family thing from another crime and sports he said uh and she wanted to know where i was at and i just i hung up the phone and i drove around a while and i said well i've got to turn myself in the only way i'm going to prove i didn't murder nobody is to turn myself in and try to prove it uh he said he didn't know where the sheriff's department was so he

fucking drove around uh he drove up and down the road. And there was a number of sheriff's deputy cars driving up and down the road. And none of them stopped me. He said, so when one of them got behind me, I pulled off a curb and stopped the van. And I got out of the van and walked back toward the car. And he was standing there, standing behind his door. He didn't come out behind his door. And I asked him where the sheriff's department was. I said I needed to go there.

He didn't ask me who I was or nothing else. He just said, if you'll turn around and follow me, I'll take you there. I said, fine, right behind you. And so we turned around and he drove to the sheriff's department. So the sheriff didn't even ask any questions. Just, where do you need to go? Just come on down here. Back to the station?

All right. Come on now. Here we go. Now, here's the trial. The trial comes around. Okay. It is a two-day trial, which I don't know how all this shit is going down. It's a speedy trial.

It's speedy, yeah. Mark testifies, obviously. At trial, Mark testifies that when Buck saw Patty on the phone, he, quote, grabbed her and started beating her with the butt of his gun. And Mark said he hit Buck in the back with his gun. hit and and mark uh said he hit mark his hit hit uh buck in the back with his gun the same story uh grabbed her by the hair and started dragging her out of the house as they reached the porch steps patty grabbed a hold of the steps to hang on to when mark ran around the corner uh buck pointed a gun at him and mark stepped back and the gun went off so So Mark is now saying at trial that the gun went off in response to Mark rather than a struggle.

So he said that then Buck jerked Patty out of the house and Mark said that Buck proceeded to get into the driver's seat of the van, beating her and beating her because she was resisting. Mark said that he attempted to keep them from leaving because he knew if he left with her, he'd kill her. Mark thought that when Buck realized that he couldn't get her into the van, he tilted her head back and shot her. This is totally different stories.

Now, at trial, Mark testifies that he saw Buck grab Patty, holding her by the hair, tilt her head back, put the gun in her face, and pull the trigger. That's his trial testimony now we know that that he couldn't he has to be at least a couple feet away at least a distance of your arms away he couldn't have been holding her with one in a strong enough position to hold her in place and shoot her with the other and not leave any kind of powder also you wouldn't do that anyway because what if it comes through the head into your fucking hand that's the other thing into your arm or something like that it's a very odd thing to do you never see a mob hit in a show where that's you know if they they might hold the top and shoot from the back but the front is a weird thing because you'd have your it's too too hard you got you exposed man act like you're holding someone's back of someone's head in front of

you and see what you're wearing your. Yeah, it's a weird thing. He said that he saw Buck grab Patty, holding her by the hair, tilt her head back, put the gun in her face and pull the trigger. Now, on cross-examination, they asked him, you saw your mother get hit in the face by the bullet? And he said, I did not see the bullet hit her face because I blinked my eyes at that moment when he pulled the trigger. So that's what he says. So that's that's his. Yeah, it's a really different thing here. Like we said earlier, no powder burns on Patty.

Science says it was a distance shot. So now this doesn't say whether it was on purpose or not, but it didn't happen like that. Right. And we know that. And we know that. But this is a thing where a lot of people seem to think that Mark was told, look, you know, you got to help us here. This is your mom. And they gassed him up and tried to kind of mold his story to what they needed it to be for a premeditated murder.

Because they're trying to prove premeditated murder here at this trial. Slow down, Georgia. They're trying to prove premeditated first degree murder. penalty is on the table wow in this trial okay so this is no joke this is uh these details count so this big time the the state's trying to prove this man came over to fix a car and then in the middle of it was like you know what i brought my gun i should probably just kill this bitch they're trying to prove that he came over not to fix the car, but with the intent. Really? The car is secondary.

So he just set up the car? Yeah, he set up the car. He went in his son's room. He set all that up, took the bullets out of his gun, made sure the son couldn't shoot. He set up this whole scenario is what their thing is. That is nutty as fuck. And then cold-bloodedly held her by the hair and shot her in the face like some kind of fucking mafia hitman. Okay.

A guy that says noed. A guy that says node a guy that says node and fucking mastermind yeah and it's possible but i mean he doesn't have a criminal record or anything like that too he's been a clean he's a construction guy he's not you know anything now uh not anything like he's not hasn't been a master criminal his whole life or anything like that now buck has to testify on his own behalf yeah because you have to at this point that your only thing is I was an accident. I didn't know I did that. That's your defense. The I didn't know defense needs to be.

Yeah. Now, he testifies that once he was in Patty's house, that he called the hotel room number that Patty had given him to confirm that she was out of state but didn't reach her he said that he called the hotel a few times but hung up after hearing patty's boyfriend's voice because he believed that she was up there with him so he was like good enough for me and the telephone records do uh support that he called the hotel room multiple times uh now uh uh during the afternoon uh here he said he made a number of calls from the residents to the hotel like i said backed up uh he says that patty uh was seated in the van he said i leaned in the van had my pistol in the right hand like we said uh the whole thing here she he got kicked threw his hands up i said it felt like it was broken his hand because it hit the top of the door frame so hard uh discharged it that whole deal here uh now one weird thing is while he is in the trial

fucking buck asked for permission to hold the gun to squeeze the trigger and comments it's very easy to do like see how easy the trigger pull okay the one thing you don't want to do in a murder trial is put the murder weapon in the hand of the guy who's on trial in front of the whole fucking jury you know what the jury go oh that's what it looks like when he's holding a gun and yeah i could see that that makes them is that what it looks like when he murders people that's why they always try to do that they every time a defendant testifies they always try to put the murder weapon in their hand to show what it looks like so you could imagine it yeah because if you can get a visual that's it that's not a doubt i've seen they got oj on the stand holding a fucking knife he would

have been done yeah period they would have went oh shit yeah that looks yeah it's just how they do that's why people don't testify because you shit like that happens they put murder weapons in your hand they ask you things you don't they know you don't have answers to yeah so yeah this guy he takes it upon himself to do and he goes look see click click click look how easy it is it's a hairpin and later on they talk about to that model gun there was models there was certain guns of that model and brand it's a torus uh that were recalled for faulty firing mechanisms and shit like that really and they yeah they have a firearms expert that talks about uh later on years later that talks about how this particular gun is known as a easy pull and it's too light on

the trigger and blah blah blah so he's saying that during cross-examination uh the prosecutor compared buck's testimony to everybody else's and uh he wondered, he wondered, he says to him, uh, he asked Buck whether he had quote told the jury up here, you were lying to them and that you lied this morning. Didn't you? Uh, when the prosecutor asked what happened to the note from Patty that had the telephone number on it, they get into a big argument about,

he says that he didn't have it because it was in the clothes that he said he had in his wallet. And he, he made the phone call and he stuck it in the shirt pocket. When he was arrested, they took his clothes and he hasn't seen it since. That's what he's claiming. He said if it had he talked about Patty's boyfriend and all that sort of thing. There was a pad next to the table.

Connie gets on the stand here. Connie testifies that the jail personnel gave her some of the clothes that Buck was wearing at the time of his arrest, but neither the flannel shirt nor the note from Patty was returned in the clothes. So his shirt wasn't returned. She said she had not found the note despite Buck's request that she look for it, but confirmed that she was with Buck when he got the note from Patty and that it contained the hotel name. So I don't understand why they're having all this thought. He called the hotel multiple times.

Just look at the phone records. He knows the number. He knew the number, period. Doesn't matter where or when or how. So Buck explained how the gun went off the second time. And the prosecutor commented on Cross, quote, you could sell the Golden gate bridge that's what he told him he said he stated oh that's the fourth lie now you've admitted to after he explained the differences and you know they were talking about different statements uh mr fugate you made a statement that the minute

you told them that you didn't want to talk to them anymore that you wanted an attorney they shut up and let you alone that's what he says there's a it goes back and forth now david hallman is patty's employer he testifies that uh that they're testifying to whether uh patty was planning on being out of town and they said no because patty was working that day she was planning on going out of town after work and he said that she could have gone out of town uh he could you know he would have given her the day off, but she didn't ask for it, so it never came up. So that's a different thing.

Like, he is bucklying that she told him she'd be out of town that day, or did they confuse the times? She'd say, I'm going after work that day, and he said, oh, she'll be gone that day. Who the fuck knows? And if 911 service is always out, who knows if the regular landline isn't spotty? And she just said, I'm going out of town that day.

Yeah. And he said, all right. And it cut out when she said later. Who the hell knows? We don't fucking know. It's crazy. So during closing the guilt phase, closing arguments, the argument they put together, the defense is it's a pure accident, tragedy, extremely tragic accident, a regrettable accident. They called it an accidental death, an unfortunate situation, a terrible situation.

Every adjective you could get for bad but not intentional you could find here. he argued that Buck had no intention of kidnapping Patty noting that he deliberately tried to get out of tried to get to that house when she was not going to be within 100 miles of the place he wasn't kidnapping her he talked to her you know he tried to get her to go to the sheriff's department is what they're saying

they also maintain that Buck suggested they go to the sheriff's department Patty quote fought him like a tiger and he was trying to protect himself. Well, if she's being stuffed into a van against her will, she should fight like a fucking tiger. Now, the prosecutor argued that there was no note. Commented that Buck was supposed to have had on a T-shirt, a flannel shirt and a jacket. He maintained that Buck had gotten the telephone number from the table near the telephone in Patty's home. They're saying that the number was written down on a pad next to the thing.

And Buck saying there was no pad next to the table. I had the note. I had a note that she gave me. Okay. So trying to say like he was stalking her at the hotel, which kind of doesn't make a lot of sense. Now, April 29th,

1992, two days of trial. There's a, there's a verdict, a verdict here. the jury deliberates for less than an hour that's fast that's fast in in this muddy shit to try to decide whether it's premeditated or not they take less than an hour to decide we've just taken two hours and i have no fucking idea still so i don't know how they got took an hour uh and uh in less than one hour

they convict him of premeditated murder. Wow. Premeditated. They find him guilty of murder, burglary, kidnapping with bodily injury, aggravated assault, and theft by taking. Holy shit. That's the bad one. I feel terrible for Patty, but this is fucked up.

You want it to be a little more fucked up? Yeah, I do. This is not to disrespect Patty at all or anything that Patty's done done but there's a certain level of justice system that we need to have right to me that makes patty that makes that's more respectful to patty yeah to to make it do it right to do it right yeah that's more respectful to patty uh the okay the verdicts are read at 3 45 p.m? The penalty phase begins immediately. 3.46. 3.46.

Let's go. Guilty. Sit down. Okay, let's find out what sentence you're getting right now. Not two weeks. Let's prepare. You go get your mitigating people, this and that. This is right now we're doing this shit.

Neither party's object to this, by the way. How do you not object to that if you're an attorney? Hey, let's take a step back. Let's calm down. Can we breathe and process the reality of what the fuck just happened and then we can yeah let me try to get a defense mitigation up here uh nobody requested a continuance nothing uh now for a man's life in the balance and it could be anybody i don't care how big of a piece of shit the person is you should take a little while to figure that out. Hearing lasts 27 minutes. 27 minutes to decide what's going to happen to this soul.

His sentencing hearing lasts 27 minutes. Oh, boy. The prosecutor does not make an opening statement and does not present any witnesses at all. Few Gates attorneys made no opening statement. They called four witnesses. His mother, Mary, Wayne Hatcher, who is Fewate's niece's boyfriend, who he hangs out with, Elmo Hendricks, who is Connie's neighbor, and Deborah Shepard, who is Connie's sister. Now, the four witnesses testified about his work history.

They said he's nonviolent. Mary Fugate testified that he was an obedient child, never been in trouble. She said he was a good father, wasn't violent. He always worked she testified that his marriage to patty was stormy uh the hatcher guy testified that he'd known fugate for four or five years and thought he was a uh had a quote rather well character i don't know what the fuck that means hatchers also conceded though that he had heard from his girlfriend that fugate had harassed his ex-wife thatate had harassed his ex-wife, that Buck had harassed his ex-wife,

but he also stated he had never known Buck to be physically violent or seen Buck commit any violent acts. Hendricks, the other guy there, Elmo, he testifies that he knew Fugate because he lived in the neighborhood and he performed some work for one of their neighbors. But they had to tickle it out of him. They had to tickle it. He was like, hey, do the work.

Tickled the money out he said that buck was quote mighty quiet and a mighty hard worker and he quote done some good work for me here yeah yeah he'd done some good work for me here uh he uh shepherd there the other one testified that she'd known buck for about one and a half years and that he was very polite very good with the kids. The kids really liked him. They got along with him. She also stated that she had never known Buck to be violent. Now, Mary,

Mary tried to say some shit about Patty in her testimony about some shit that Patty did. Oh, God. And the judge shut that shit down and was like, we're not going to disparage the victim here. What are you doing, Mary?

She's being a mother. She's sticking up for her son. I get that, but you can't do that in court. Not now. No no we can't disparage a dead person time and a place mary yeah time and place and court is not the one so uh yeah especially when the man who killed her and is convicted of it is sitting right the fuck there you're gonna fuck and you're here to help me jesus shut the fuck up mom shut up say nice things about me. We're all nice people, Ma. Come on.

Good God. So all four of these witnesses said they believe that Buck should be sentenced to life in prison. Hendricks said that Buck should be sentenced to life because, quote, he'd be worth something to the state, noting that, quote, the state needs carpenters and electricians and brick masons and things. Y'all need a slave. This fucking slave labor now? We could put him to work in the salt mines i don't understand the problem coal mines need canaries don't they i don't want to be a real waste to get rid of this come on man he's a good hand

we could just fire him out of a cannon if we're bored there's lots of things we could do with him so jesus christ he could test the cheese take it easy make sure it don't constipate you too bad. No, Jesus Christ. When asked on cross-examination whether he really thought that the prosecution, quote, ought to do nothing but just let him sit around the penitentiary and carpenter. Hendricks replied, quote, Well, I think he deserves a chance. I think he needs it. I think he needs a chance because he's done a good job there for me and i think i believe he he'd be some help to the state he's like the fucking god does good construction you can't get good drywall guys i'm telling you something they fucking suck when you get a good one you can't just lethal injectionize them you got to put them

out there to work god damn it they're putting up buildings all over the fucking place you're putting them up shoddily this guy's good he cocks like nobody's fucking business old boy knows some carpentry come on now jesus christ now just send him to my house i got some work jesus christ at damn minimum let's have him decipher those fucking ikea's and have him just send him in a sale and just drop him those fucking Ikea's and have him just set him in a cell and just drop him new new Ikea's every day. He can do it. He'll put them together.

He can do it. Boy knows him some carpentry. He does. Now, 345. The trial. This hearing began, like we said, that's when verdicts were read. Right. So it started a couple of minutes.

Everyone had to, like, sit down and take a breath and all that. This hearing is over at 412. My Christ. it's over that's fucking insane the jury is dismissed uh there uh they deliberate for an hour and 43 minutes and then they return with their verdict and uh they return a recommendation of the death penalty my god and uh And the judge says, fine, you, sir, may fuck off. Sentences him to death. Holy shit. So Buck got the death penalty out of this mess.

Unbelievable. Yeah. That seems... That's fucking... It's just muddy. It's just really muddy. That's muddier than a catfish, man. It's so muddy.

And we're... We're, you know, we've talked about it a hundred times. We're not big fans of the death penalty because there's problems with it obviously and slam dunks sure shit like that's got to be this shit we have we've done cases where people have done insane shit other people have seen it the physical evidence links it and then they described in detail how they did it and kill that guy i don't give a fuck i don't care if you do it right or whatever drag him behind a truck take him out in the parking lot and let somebody i don't care what the fuck at that point but when we're talking about anything that's like no then you don't

kill people based on this shit so uh he appeals obviously his first appeal in 93 sentence affirmed conviction affirmed fuck off they send him right right away. That's the automatic appeals here. Now, after that, he's got to appeal based on ineffective assistance of counsel. And there's a lot there to this, too. His lawyers investigated his case themselves. They didn't hire investigators. The defense theory was that the death was an accident. He, the lawyer, investigated the amount of trigger movement required to discharge the firearm, but didn't investigate the alignment of the trigger or seek scientific measurements of any of these factors.

Like it's this much easier than these guns to fire would have helped. He also they visited the murder site, the crime lab, Connie. They did all that. They did a little investigation themselves here. So he's filing on all of that shit. Also, there's a bunch of things that they didn't follow evidentiary-wise, evidence things. They said that basically some things that he said, you know, find the number, find Patty's number. That's a big deal.

That means that, you know, I thought she was out of town if I had her number and blah, blah, blah. That helps my story. And they were like, we don't think it's that big of a deal. So we're not going to spend a lot of time on that. Shit like that. He didn't consider the flannel shirt significant pieces of evidence. None of that stuff. They didn't consider anything, which is all things that could have added up to life and not death all alone it's nothing

but together together you make something yeah it's it's one of those things it's a puzzle piece you can't just one puzzle piece obviously shadows of doubt are not just one piece shadows sometimes there's several there's a little finger shadow yeah you got a little finger puppet now you got a neck look at that it's a giraffe that's a doubt you got a neck that's a cute one too look at that so uh yeah so uh they said that uh it is what they they said they also he put him up on not presenting enough mitigating evidence for him at the at the penalty phase uh now the court said the petitioner's conviction resulted not from any deficiency in his legal presentation but from the overwhelming evidence of his guilt on the issue of ineffective assistance at the penalty phase the state habeas corpus noted that it had been repeatedly held that the failure to

put on a mitigating defense at a sentencing hearing at all is not uh per se ineffective which i think that's the definition of it you didn't mount a defense that's pretty ineffective as far as defenses go it's the definition yeah if if there's a football team and they pull their defense off the field completely and the other team just runs for a hundred yard touchdown you'd go that was pretty ineffectual defense i think it wasn't really that good you know what i mean like sorry ineffective as fuck yeah i mean yeah they weren't there but they that's it that's ineffective it's a bad call so uh yeah, they said that to introduce additional mitigation evidence did not did not prejudice the sentencing phase.

So, no. Now, what they really, really need at this point in the 90s, 97, this is going on. They really need Mark to have a consistent story and say that he didn't see his father hold his mother and shoot her. He just heard the shot and it could have been an accident. But? Because that's all they're going on.

Yeah. So it would help if that happened. But there's a problem. No. You can't find Mark. No. You want to know why we can't find Mark? Did Mark kill himself?

Why is Mark not there, you ask? Let's see here. November 2nd, 1993. Mark was at his house. A couple of friends of his. By the way, Mark works at McDonald's at this point. He's only 18. He's see here. November 2nd, 1993, Mark was at his house. A couple of friends of his. By the way, Mark works at McDonald's at this point.

He's only 18. He's crushing it. He's a McDonald's employee. He does have a roommate. He has his own place, though. He's at his house with his friends, Jeffrey Cross and Sean Watley.

Cross and Watley were roommates, but they didn't live with Mark. They lived somewhere else together. Visiting. While there, Mark's roommate came home and Cross and Watley left and that was that the next day around 2 p.m cross and watley returned to mark's residence and uh cross had

picked up a metal pipe and hidden it in his up the sleeve of his shirt and when cross and watley arrived at the home uh mark uh was home alone he didn't hear any knocking because there was loud music finally he heard them and let him in uh mark sat down on the couch with his back to cross cross took the pipe out from his sleeve and quote went straight for mark hitting him over the head with the pipe oh my god he said cross wield the pipe like a baseball bat and struck fugate in the head at least seven times six of the blows crushed mark's skull and he died as a result of severe brain injuries uh watley removed removed mark's car keys from his pocket and uh cross tried to clean up clean up some of the blood off the couch and floor good fucking luck if you bash some brains in with a

fucking pipe that shit's everywhere i'm gonna take a napkin now he's not cleaning it's on the ceiling it's in the corners you're fucked it's not gonna that. It's on the ceiling. It's in the corners. You're fucked. It's not going to be a quicker pick. No. It's going to take a while. You'd need a team to come in there with a suit on. A crime scene team. Yeah. One of those.

And Watley wrapped the body in blankets and other items from the home. They then loaded the body into the back of Cross's ex-girlfriend's station wagon. They also took items from Fugate's home, including compact discs and a pool cue, and put them in the trunk of Mark's car. While he drove Mark's car and Cross followed in the station wagon, they drove to the site of an abandoned house and tried to bury the body there, but the

ground was too hard. The men transferred Mark's body to the trunk of his own car and they just decided to go home. On the way, Cross tossed out the murder weapon they arrived home and explained that blood on themselves and blood stained station wagon they tried had to explain that to them uh cross lives jesus christ cross lived with both his ex wife and his ex-girlfriend at the time uh wow they said they hit a deer they pulled the good

fellas thing like i had a deer i gotta hack it off it's a sin you know the hoof what is the paw the hoof the hoof so uh yeah they they explain that whole thing away like that then cross watley and cross his ex-wife and baby got into mark's car and drove to atlanta with fucking mark in the trunk what the fuck uh yeah dropping the woman and baby off at a friend's home crossing waltley through mark's body in a trash dumpster in norcross uh a lookout was posted for the missing vehicle and on november 4th police stopped the car waltley was driving and crossing his ex-wife and baby were the passengers waltley was found in possession of mark's car uh driver's license

id and employee tie for McDonald's. Cross confessed to the crimes. Police were able to recover Mark's body and the murder weapon and locate the site where they had attempted to bury the body. Sean Watley, they're both white. Everyone in the story is white. Sean Watley

has changed his name to Hameen Abdullah Azadallah. Asshole. He's white and he pleaded guilty for one count of robbery and armed robbery and one count of theft and all this shit he gets life imprisonment and has changed his name to a muslim name and now was in the he was part of a prison riot thing that happened uh you know whatever they called it a strike and he was saying his reasons for doing it is because they were racist to him because he thinks he's black wow literally he said because of i did this now they're racist to me the white people are because i'm stop it what the fuck are you talking about and don't

kill people you asshole that guy you're a scumbag in that murder and got life yeah he got life imprisonment the other yeah now cross jeffrey cross was the one swinging the pipe yeah state sought the death penalty on him he by the way they went over the day before with the intent of doing this and stealing his car the roommate came home they left came back the next day you don't get any more premeditated than this. Holy shit. Then viciously bashed his head in his fucking seven times with a pipe. He gets life without parole.

Unbelievable. Un-fucking-believable. Georgia, you're really doing it right. And the entire Fugate family is fucked here. So there's appeals in 97 like we talked about. Those are all rejected. In June of 2002, he keeps getting this date pushed back and pushed back. June of 2002, he's supposed to be executed.

The board, a board rejects his bid for clemency, but the board was short one member. The board, two members had been kicked off for ethics violations, and they'd only filled one of the spots. So there wasn't enough people on the board. Which you can't do. You just can't fucking do that. You can't take votes when the whole board's not there. Jesus.

So he's about to be executed on that when there's a stay that says, let's just take a look at this for a second here. Let's get him in front of another board and one that's full and fair and do all that. So they get him in front of another board and they say, fuck off, get him injected. Oh my fuck.

Yeah. So he's about to be executed in June of 2002 and then later in August. He gets a last minute stay of appeal, last minute stay twice, once in June, and then another time will come up here in August. A temporary stay is granted. He was scheduled to die on August 14th. Can you imagine the stress of knowing your day? It's fucking nuts.

And then they push it. It's crazy. And then they say, ah, fuck it, never mind, kill him. After that, he got a last meal and everything. He got a fucking last meal the first time and everything. And then they pulled it back. And then he got a last meal and everything oh my god he got a fucking last meal the first time and everything and then they pulled it back yeah and then he got to go again first last meal uh execution day number one sirloin steak lobster baked potato butterscotch ice cream not a bad plan not a bad sirloin not a bad yeah go go get that marble get some fat eat the whole fat flavor

throw it in there who cares flavor a sirloin that shit steak. Yeah, that's just, it's not bad, but there's no fat in it. That's a shit steak. I want fat. Eat some marbling. If you're going to go lean, just get a filet, you dip. There you go. What are you doing? Yeah, you can get anything you want.

You're on fucking death row. It's your last one. I'm just being polite. Go out happy. So, yeah, he ends up appealing more and nothing comes of it. Then the lethal injection stuff comes up in appeals, the drugs and all that that we've talked about. They're saying that it was unconstitutional.

This is before the drug thing, but they were still trying to challenge it based on that. They said, based on that, that he argued that if his death sentence is proper, the drug sequence is cruel. He was not sentenced to excruciating pain. He was not sentenced to asphyxiation or experiencing a massive heart attack. That's the argument against the lethal injection. And the court says this has already been decided. Go fuck yourself.

That's fine. Oh, my God. This is crazy. So Buck sends a letter to the governor here. He sends a letter to gov. This is kind of a ballsy letter to To the Honorable Roy E. Barnes. Here, he sends it. Quote, since you are a staunch supporter of the death penalty,

I, Wallace Marvin Fugate III, better known as Buck, am extending a formal invitation for you to see it administered firsthand. Therefore, on August 14, 2002, at 7 p.m. This was his first execution date. You will be given the chance to watch my state sanctioned murder. Please consider this as a means to show the world you have the courage

of your convictions and attend my execution. For the first time you can witness the results of our state's decision and have the courage to look me in the eye in my dying moments knowing I can be sacrificed only because I was too poor to afford to hire decent lawyers and because I live in the middle of the, quote, death belt. You'll also be able to see the pain this execution puts on my family and friends because of pathetic

representation by two court-appointed lawyers who should have never been assigned to a capital case. I've always maintained my innocence of the premeditated murder charge and have the proof premeditated and have the proof premeditated yeah uh and have the proof after all these years to show i've been telling the truth all along thanks to my thanks to my sisters and supporters extensive network information on my cases in the public eye and available online for the world to see uh by the way uh wallacefugate.com if you go to that yeah every document that exists in this case is on there.

His sister made this giant thing. Oh, what a great woman. And it's so long. It has just copies of transcripts and pieces. And she pieces it all together as far as this is all the inconsistencies, all the inconsistencies from this person, this person. Here's a crime scene photo showing that this wasn't where they said it was. I mean, it is fucking wow it is like if i don't even know how to explain i think we just got the answer to who wrote that letter because there is that is a far cry from the guy that says node and he definitely that's what i was going to say he definitely didn't fucking write this

uh he says uh this website proves that most of the quote so-called evidence used at my trial he's never said so-called his life was tampered with and or proven false testimonies which are not even questioned in my adequate adequate inadequate court appointed counsel the canadian coalition against the death penalty also maintains a site for me the link to that site's found in my official website even after the state my state sanctioned murder these sites will be maintained in additional material and any evidence and investigations uh will continue to be added the state judicial system will not be uh able to hide the evidence of their wrongdoing in my case and in others that come after me i'm awaiting your response to my personal invitation to watch my lethal injection administered respectfully yours wallace m fugate buck sister buck yeah wallace m fugate's sister so uh next uh august 16th that's the first execution to get stayed where he has the

steak and lobster august 16th execution day two lethal injection boogaloo fucking fucking here i don't know ozone and turbo dancing in the death chamber and then they dancing up the walls this time he's already been given the last meal sorry i just saw turbo yeah it was ozone with the fucking long brim on his hat oh my god my God. He had little balls hanging from it. I think there was little dingle balls hanging from that hat, wasn't there? Like a matador? Yeah. Like Cheech's car? Yes.

Like the headliner of Cheech's band. The interior of Cheech's car. So, Jesus Christ. He does not get a choice last meal this time. No. He gets served the same meal as everybody else. Spaghetti, salad, and a roll. Gross.

So he went out with bad prison spaghetti. And Wallace was executed. No! They executed him. They did it! Oh, they did it. He's dead. He died on August 16, 2002.

Sure. At 9.45 p.m. they executed him. And yeah. Wow. That is Georgia. That is a small town murder in Georgiaorgia he's dead right his sister maintains this website wallacefugate.com if you go there if you want to read anything else you can read in full marks five statements you can read all the if you want to go down a rabbit hole and

really get into a case that's the place to do it and you can go down and you can see why i picked all the information i picked because you couldn't we could have done this for six weeks and we'd still be going this is gone and oh he's dead fuck faces that killed his son yeah the whole fugate fam patty's dead mark's dead buck's dead everybody's dead uh those two fuckheads though are in jail and they're fine and uh wow they get to complain that people are racist to you because you think you're black which is i don't know how that works you don't get to do that i don't even know how that works but that is georgia that's eatonton georgia and that is uh small town murder and that's it's and this is with this happens all the time i mean we're shocked but there's so many cases like this and this is why it's like kind of rough i can't believe that's real yeah i mean

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Oh, it's her birthday, by the way. Hey, happy birthday. Her boyfriend sent a donation to say that. Happy birthday. Happy birthday, Haley. Enjoy yourself. April, fuck. The end of April.

April, fuck. Yep, that day. James Fraker, Lisa Womack, Caitlin Dotson, Marissa Oman hughes uh under under the sea fabric scott denon rick sikorsky jenis hill and that and that and that why is that so hard and that lee why yeah what the hell fucking idiot not you me matt sledge brendan ables gina lamkey or jenna uh jewel abrams no jill jill jill brams brams fuck hank with no last name reagan shalky shalkley uh allison carr clay thorson uh jesse pitts i said that kevin jurin uh kevin gately kevin's urine kevin jurin oh i swear to god i heard kevin's urine i thought somebody put that as like their thing like haha my piss oh got you it's like kevin's urine no kind of fucking kevin well

maybe it is kavon jurin sorry maybe sorry maybe it's kavon i thought it was a joke i thought they were joking it still might be and i'm fucking it up neither one i've ruined your joke kevin tina russell jenny petco uh neil campbell sean carlson katherine collado elizabeth uh nitro it's nigro by the way oh cool that. She told me it's like Nitro. Nitro, Nigro. Okay. That fixes everything. Thank you.

Trey Valkenar. Patricia Durand. Martina in San Francisco. Thank you, Martina. Hey, thanks, Martina. Justice Graves. Jennifer Blakeslee. Jesse Hartman.

Ida Marie Tholl. Or Tull. Joanne. Joanne Music. Gary Howard. James Price. Tyler Sheets. James Mart... Oh, Martyr. James Martyr, that's what that is.

Dylan Irish, Christy Sachs, Brian Hurtado, Angelina Law, Sarah Dominick, Ryan Polino, Tyler Williford, Skylar McGill, Bailey Cox, Holly McCarthy, Elena Smothers, I hear. holly mccarthy elena smothers uh i hear uh jonathan uh shit steek steekty uh steckety and then erica's i don't it has to be sucks it has to be s-z-u-c-s is that zooks or sucks we'll go with zooks to be nice it has to be right so sure erica sucks or hey we love you thank you guys you guys are amazing and you really make things happen and we can't tell you we appreciate you guys more than anybody else it's impossible to verbalize it

thank you guys so much we wish we could do more than just you know say we love you so much and we wish we could come over and hug each and every one of you that would like a hug if you don't want one we don't want to give you one there's some people who don't like hugs. Yeah, and we'd be like, cool. We respect you.

We respect your distance. But if you would like one, we'd like to hug you. So thank you very much. That said, if they want to hug you, Jimmy, how are they going to tell you that? You can find me at WismanSucks, W-H-I-S-M-A-N sucks, on Twitter, Instagram, and Snapchat. I really appreciate you guys being here and being around for this. It's fucking incredible to have such a wide-blossoming variety of this audience that uh is so involved it's right it sounded hot

sounded pretty sexy yeah i think that was good i'm gonna save that one that's a little weird marg helgenberg yeah yeah there you go so bad she's so hot god i love her where can they tell you how wide uh blossoming uh your variety you can blossom me wide at uh at jimmy p is funny uh or just copy and paste my name from the show description because otherwise it's just really hard to spell and you'll fuck it all up and uh that said we cannot thank you so much for hanging out with us for another week and uh we had a crazy time and enjoy looking up wallacefugate.com and looking through all the damn documents that i've been looking at for the last three weeks and uh i don't know what what else to say about it except

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