Small Town Murder - #112 - Hitchhiking Was Never Safe in Dunbar, West Virginia

Episode Date: March 28, 2019

This week, in Dunbar, West Virginia, a 12 year old boy disappears, but ends up being found in the worst possible way. The police initially think they have the people responsible, only to find out they didn't. A list of 88 suspects yields no results, until 4 young boys are kidnapped while hitchhiking, and the whole thing takes a bizarre turn. In the end, the most primitive form of justice prevails, and we're not even sure we feel bad about it!Along the way, we find out that redheads need a festival, too, that hitchhiking in the hills of West Virginia is never a good idea, and that sometimes bad people police themselves... brutally!Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman New episodes every Thursday! Donate at: patreon.com/crimeinsports or go to paypal.com & use our email: [e-mail] Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder & Crime In Sports! Follow us on... twitter.com/@murdersmall facebook.com/smalltownpod instagram.com/smalltownmurder Also, check out James & Jimmie's other show, Crime In Sports! On iTunes, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Let's do this. What do you say, Jay? Let's go on a trip. I'd love it. Let's do this. Let you do what do you say yeah let's go on a trip i love it let's do this let's get out of let's get out of georgia yeah we were in georgia last week they really don't know how to do the law around here hot and muggy down there and uh and a little scary for the uh we had last week that was a very very should that was one of those where uh we i had people message me that are pro death penalty people that were like that made me angry because that's the type of shit that makes people not like the death penalty

is when shit like that happens so everybody was pissed off about how that ended uh so wrong people got it wrong people so well i mean not the right person got the wrong thing we'll say probably and the right and the wrong person got the yeah no there's other people no you know what i mean i know what you mean those other guys this week we're going to west virginia uh which uh state motto should be last and just about everything thank you mississippi for keeping us out of the cellar it's pretty much uh yeah we're going to dunbar west virginia here uh it's in southwestern west virginia smack in the middle of the pan. All the Florida without the education. All the Florida.

Yeah. Last time we did West Virginia, it was like West Virginia because not everyone can afford Florida. I think that was our motto for it. That's pretty good. So, yeah. West Virginia is shaped like a frying pan. It's like a pan with a handle and everything.

This is right in the middle of the pan. It's three hours to Frankfort, Kentucky. It is three hours to Cincinnati. If you go kind of up to the northwest, it's only 15 minutes to Nitro, which was our last West Virginia episode, episode 87. No, that was a wild episode, too. Even the town stuff was crazy. They made gunpowder there.

That's right. It was a wild episode. That's right. The TNT was the end n from tnt yeah exactly exactly so uh yeah this place here it's only 15 minutes from there but it's very kind of different it's it's not like they're it's weird it's it's very separated in 15 minutes i don't know how that happens that close it's that close though it's in uh kanawha county uh zip code eight i'm sorry two five zero six four area code three zero four it's 2.8 square miles here and uh their motto is we're west virginia we don't need a goddamn motto get down

in the coal mine and get to work and that's it you know what it is you know what it is there's dirt on our faces for a reason west virginia so uh yeah they don't have it they don't have a motto they gave it they didn't even try every day and ash Wednesday and boom here in Dunbar West Virginia so uh that's awesome that's amazing so uh uh Dunbar is on land that's obviously originally occupied by Native Americans like the the rest of the continent so uh this particular block of land was granted to george washington oh uh for his military service so this was like one of their they used to pay soldiers in land back in the day and that this was a gift this was what he had as part of his payment and uh it was there's different accounts of how who was named after somebody said a different accounts of who it was named after.

A lot of people say it was named after Mary Dunbar, who inherited the land from Washington. And then other people say it was named for a guy named Dunbar Baines, who was a prominent banker when they named the town and the area. Probably that guy. I'm going to go with the money behind it. And then they went, you know what, too? It works with the Washington thing. Yeah, yeah. Fuck him, though.

What did he do? Beat the British? I mean, this guy's a banker. That's a real accomplishment. Never mind beating back an empire. You can't beat the empire without money. Yeah, that's the thing. You've got to buy shit.

Yeah. Dunbar's a farming community for a long time in the 1800s until the industries really start to take off. hundreds uh until the industries really start to take off and then west virginia quickly adapts uh any policy that puts smoke into the air as quickly as possible puts pollutants in as fast as that they're like we we want that what industry what can we burn that makes black shit come out perfect the whole town must be covered in soot otherwise we're not going to be happy uh so uh they opened uh uh glass and bottling plants in like 1912 a bunch of glass and bottling plants started opening and that kind of became a big deal here that was the same time that the county was in 1912 the county was the site of something called the bloody miner strike oh which yeah that sounds i spread

that i was like oh this sounds crazy that's juicy those people are vicious people they fight mines and textbooks we'll talk about people fight about here with fucking bombs and violence it's insane it's it's nuts uh there was 96 coal mines in operation uh around here employing 7 500 miners in this area before the strike. 41 of these mines were unionized, and the rest were not unionized. And miners that weren't unionized received two and a half cents less per ton than union miners in the area. And so they kind of formed a union, but it still wasn't working for them. So they end up negotiating a new contract with the operators, and they have several demands there. They want to raise the compensation rate to the same level as everybody in the surrounding areas.

And it would have cost the operators about 15 cents per miner per day to do this. That's not a lot. Not a lot. And they said, absolutely not. Fuck you guys. We got a CEO that wants a big house. There's Italian people coming over every day. They're already greasy.

We shove them right in the hole. There you go. Do it all for free. That's right. Shoot them right down there. My fucking long lost Guinea relatives, they would have just shoved them in a coal mine, no problem. Do it for company coupons. That's it, man. Yeah just shoved them in a coal mine, no problem. Tune in for a company coupon.

That's it, man. Yeah, that's it. Boom, there, have some script. So the union calls for a strike on April 18, 1912. Hell yeah. Their demands were that operators accept and recognize the union, that the miners' right to free speech and peaceable assembly be restored, because they would protest and it would be all busted

up uh that operators accept and recognize uh the union again i don't know why they put that in there twice but that's their first and third demand is the same exact word recognize us do this shit recognize us recognize us should have been every other one uh for that uh the compulsory trading at company stores be ended so you don't have to spend your money there. That's beautiful. That's nice. That cribbing be discounted, and that 2,000 pounds of mined coal constitute a ton. That the scales be installed at mines to weigh tonnage of the miners.

All right. So they were scamming them on what they were pulling out of the ground, too. That's fucked up. That's fucked up. Jesus. That miners be allowed to employ their own check weighmen to check against the weights found by the company weighmen. That's good. Which seems fine.

And that two check weighmen determine all docking penalties. So they ended up doing that, and all the miners in the area joined up for the strike, because these are all pretty reasonable things. Just be fair. Let us spend our money how we want, since we're're working for it and make sure that we're getting paid fairly that's not a lot of work just treat us well that's not even asking to be treated well let's just say hey can you pay me for what the work i do that's all that is what i'm asking that's it that's minimal yeah that's not even like, hey, can you make this less dangerous? Can you make a bunch of us not die all the time? It's really insane to try to save a dollar by undercutting your labor force when just

paying them appropriately will make you so much more money in the long run. Especially in a situation like this. It will work so much harder. In a situation where it's actual labor. When it's built upon actual actual work which is morale is a big thing with that absolutely people that are happy work faster exactly people that are into what they're doing work faster and they work happier and they work better and they get hurt less and the whole thing ends up costing you less and when you hold a union employee down when you

hold a union uh congregation what is it uh populist a bunch of union guys yeah when you stop them and try to they will fucking mutiny will form and they will figure out how to do way less and cost you millions yeah it happens so it's union workers are some there's some dastard bastards they are well you are one jimmy's saying this because he's a part of what they do yeah he was the electric company thing as he works it's pretty impressive how they will they will organize uh an idea of how to do way less which on the other side they have people trying to screw you out of how much coal you mine so i guess it's like you kind of everybody has to screw each other i suppose well everybody screws minimally and then more work gets done the job gets done better job gets done

right and the company fucking benefits so much yeah that's that's it's true well these they didn't take it that way they uh these people the operators hired the baldwin feltz detective agency to break the strike right they sent more than 300 mine guards down there to to do that and then uh the oh mother jones you know the whole publication is named after there as an activist uh arrived in june and uh mine owners began evicting workers from their rented houses because they had no their their lodging was tied to their work it was all in the in the thing and they would bring in replacement workers so they'd bring in somebody to take a job and go in here and go live in your house that's fucked fucked up. So this ended up, there was all sorts of fighting all around the town, beating, sniper attacks, and sabotages of the business shit.

And this ended up costing a fortune. Of course. They could have paid everybody 15 cents a day for years and lost less money than this whole thing would cost them. That's what I mean. This whole thing. Yeah. So they ended up rallying the workers. The workers made their way through the armed guards,

and they persuaded another group of miners in Elksdale, West Virginia, to join the whole thing here. They had a march of 3,000 armed miners to the steps of the state capitol. That's scary. If I see 3,000 dudes who just crawled from the earth and are now armed and coming toward me, I'm going to ask what they need and I'm going to try to provide it. I'll tell you that right fucking now.

3,000 John Goodmans and that weirdo. Yeah. Oh boy, oh boy. Covered in coal dust. Yeah. Wow. Those are some tough son of a bitches. Throwing muck in their hair and slicking it back.

I'm now coal mining's hard, but in 1900, this is another level. These guys were fucking rugged. I mean, they could tear you apart with their bare hands. Dangerous men. They don't need to be armed. They rip coal from the fucking rocks with their hands, these people. They're crazy. As long as they have their arms, they're well-armed.

They're well-goddamned armed. So they read a declaration of war to Governor William E. Glasscock. Yes. That is absolutely. Billy Glasscock. That's his real name. That's Ben. Wow.

On July 26th, miners attacked one of the mines, leaving 12 strikers and four guards died in a melee there. 12 strikers and four guards died in a melee there. In September, a force of 5,000 miners joined the strikers' tent city. They had like a big shantytown out there. And Governor Glasscock established martial law in the region. So they sent in 1,200 state troops to confiscate arms and ammunition from both sides from the from the you know the operators of the mines and from the miners uh they had uh the whole thing was a goddamn mess that they they would uh they the strikers were forbidden to congregate uh they were by the by in the

martial law times uh they were uh they they subjected them to trials and military tribunals even though they were even though they were civilians. So strikers' families at this point, they've had no food, and these people weren't, they've had no money, and these people weren't wealthy to begin with, these actual miners. So they were, kids are hungry and cold, and people have no, they live in tents, and it's a goddamn mess. As a rich person in that scenario, you are vastly outnumbered. Why would you want to fuck with those people?

It's fucking crazy. Those are dangerous human beings. They're going to fucking murder you. And this is all they have. They have nothing. They have nothing to lose. Their kids are starving. They have nothing to lose.

They will open you. Yeah. So, yeah. Anyway, martial law ended up being lifted and then reimposed by old Glasscock there. And then the miners attacked one of the mines again. There was one casualty. This was on February 7th. In retaliation, the sheriff and a group of detectives

attacked the Holly Grove Miner's Settlement with an armored train called the Bull Moose Special. They attacked with machine guns and high-powered rifles, putting 100 machine gun belts through the frame house of one particular striker that they didn't like and killed him, obviously. Unbelievable. So this went back and forth and back and forth until finally Glasscock ended up getting voted out of office.

And the new governor was Henry Hatfield, who said, hey, let's figure out what the fuck we're doing here. Stopped the martial law. uh took uh mother jones out of jail and you know that whole deal and uh signed ended up uh you know quashing the whole thing and basically uh kind of brokered a piece between these two sides and said we can't just have people fighting each other uh the violence and everything uh estimated that the uh the whole thing ended up costing about a hundred million dollars in the end and in what time in 1912 wow i assume that's that's today's value i hope so otherwise that's bankrupt it's over trillions yeah that's but that's fucking absolutely crazy there was

there was tons of deaths from the fighting and then a lot of other deaths by starvation and malnutrition from the miners and their families. Yeah, it was pretty nuts here. Hatfield that solved this, is he one of the Hatfields that fought the McCoys? I don't believe so. I don't, but this guy's a doctor, so I'm going to say no. Probably not. Dr. Henry D. Hatfield.

He's probably related. He might be, yes. Because in that time, there's not enough people to not be related. That's probably related. He might be, yes. Because in that time, there's not enough people to not be related. That's the truth. The Gravely Plow was invented in 1916 here. Some kind of plow. Also, a lot of glass. Like we said, there was the Dunbar Glass and Kawana Glass Companies.

It was also the Dutch Hollow Wine Cellars is there. And that was listed on the Register of Historic Places in 1970. Dunbar wasn't incorporated until 1921. It's been around all this time. It wasn't even incorporated until 21 by the West Virginia legislature. 1974, I'll go through this very quickly here. There was textbooks.

There was a disagreement over textbooks basically uh west virginia the the the english language arts textbook committee of kawana county west virginia recommended 325 books and textbooks to the school board for use in elementary schools uh among these titles were america reads and the language of man uh yeah uh these titles were America Reads and The Language of Man. Yeah, these textbooks, they were part of a new curriculum that was introducing multiculturalism at first into the whole thing. Because this was the early 70s. They were trying to whatever. And a lot of people didn't like this, obviously.

As you would imagine, people don't like change. So they distributed uh basically one one person there's there was a lady who started the whole thing that was upset about uh uh what was going on and she she was disturbed by a quote in an autobiography of malcolm x what did he say where he referred to christians as brainwashed oh okay which i don't know that's his opinion and it's an autobiography of him so nobody said hey this is the law they said this guy said this which is just history so you can't you know and and all he said was he didn't say uh hey black men go rape white women he said christians are brainwashed either way he didn't call for violence even if he called that's a

different thing calling for violence yeah but i mean this this was just a, it was a guy's opinion and a thing, which you can say like, oh, I don't agree with that opinion. But that doesn't mean you shouldn't learn about a historic. Let's not learn about Hitler because I didn't like him. Like, no, we should still learn about stuff. It makes nuts that Malcolm X is Hitler, but I'm just saying to these people, he's Hitler. That was my next question. Let's be realistic. Do you just compare Malcolm X to Hitler? In West Virginia? Yeah. saying to these people he's hitler that was my next question let's be realistic malcolm x to

hitler in west virginia i if you said who's worse malcolm x or hitler to some of these people and you know whatever not to be stereotypical but judging by her reaction to one quote in a book if you said who's worse hitler or malcolm x they'd go hitler never said i'd like to see a steel cage match let's just say put it that way i don't know whoever wins wins i feel like they'd say i never heard hitler attack christians no well yeah he did actually didn't like religion at all did he say that out loud i'm sure didn't like christian didn't like religion west virginia didn't understand it that's for sure the state is supposed to be the religion yeah that's fucking funny uh she also found quotes from Allen Ginsberg, the poet found in Sigmund Freud's Oedipus Complex book. These are all, you know, just books and also a book by a Black Panther.

And so she got all pissed off about this whole thing and ended up being a giant problem over this. This woman was the wife of a fundamentalist minister obviously uh called the books filthy disgusting trash unpatriotic and and unduly favoring blacks is what how she put it all of these books it's not the anarchist cookbook for fuck's sake no so on june 27th of that year the thousand local residents came people kept their kids home from school because those books were in schools that's that was the protest uh there was books that were uh it's it's fucking insane so the boycott escalated 9 000 of the 45 000 elementary school students in the county were kept home from school unbelievable that's fucking 20 of the kids were kept home from school minors bus drivers work

truck workers everybody joined this boycott of this whole thing uh people called for a compromise you know let's have a nice compromise here and uh so instead a reverend charles quigley asked christians to quote pray that god will kill the giants who have mocked and made fun of dumb fundamentalists uh so uh so uh so he calls for violence so he calls for violence and then uh people ended there ended up being bombings so unbelievable that's when the bombs were planted at an elementary school and at a school board building uh another elementary school was dynamited school buses were attacked with shotguns and the homes of children who continued to attend school during the boycott were stoned. What the hell?

This was in the 70s. This isn't the 1700s. This is the 1974. Not 17-fucking-74. Or 1674. This is a smidge less vicious than the mine riot. This is some serious Salem witch shit. Anyway, a guy named Marvin Horan ended up being sentenced to three years in prison

on charges related to the bombings. And that was pretty much it. Holy hell. And by the time 1975 came around, the school board brought all the books that they had approved that these people bitched about ended up being in the schools anyway. So all this was, again, for nothing. Wow. People don't like change.

But if you did that shit today with school, if you bomb a school oh yeah you dynamited school buses with shotguns apart in the street three years forget it they felt though he was justified he was doing it for his christian beliefs jesus so uh of all children everywhere children everywhere now uh as of 1960 was the peak of this town's population it was 11 000 people there yeah in 1960 because it was a lot of work and then it kind of it's gone down since then uh as of right now 7571 people there so it's it's

gone down seven percent since 1990 uh the median age here is about 47 which is about 10 years older than our normal average it's a bit high it's a bit high and the people here are old all the old demographics are high all the kid demographics are low yeah uh female populations like 53 percent so all the hallmarks of old people living here we have in terms you could get the iq in terms of numbers that we'd have to that would take a long time we'd have to go from shanty to shanty through the county lean to to lean you know that goes so uh race of this town uh it's about 81 white which uh nitro was like 97 white it's about 10 black uh 1.27 asian about uh two percent hispanic so uh west virginia yeah that's what it is here mixed yeah uh the uh religion here 37 are religious so less than i would have thought

yeah uh these uh there's uh uh some catholics and baptists it's just a mixed bag a lot of other christian faith whatever that is the god of coal i don't know how that works uh voting wise politically 57 republican in the county in the last election, 37% Democrat, 6% Independent. Unemployment rate is a little over 5, which is high for the country right now. It's about 4% in the rest of the country. Median household income is about $42,000. It's almost $58,000 in the rest of the country. So that's a little bit less, and that's kind of the problem here with some of this.

There's older people, less income. It's kind of a dying town when it comes to that. You fight progress. You fight fucking wages, too. And a lot of times these small towns, if people don't move there, if there's no reason to move there, then eventually the population dies off. Young people leave because there's no reason to be there if you're 30, and careers are hard to come by. So you go to where there's careers that's all there is to it uh cost of living 80 uh you know 100 being average par uh here it's about 80 and the thing that's super low

is housing the median home cost here is 82 100 which is fucking low. Super affordable. Yeah, I would say. 70% of the houses here are between $60,000 and $150,000. Unbelievable. So, yeah, if we've convinced you you need to go to West Virginia and argue about textbooks, we have for you the Dunbar, West Virginia Real Estate Report. your average two-bedroom rental here is about 840 so it's less than normal but maybe a little high for here i found a three-bedroom one bath it's uh about 1076 square feet need some work jimmy i'm not gonna lie to you But it's livable. $52,700. Okay.

So, I mean, that's not bad. I mean, you can work that out. You can do it. You can mortgage that out. Even if you make little money, you can do that. Minimal. That's $600 a month at best? If that.

Yeah, if that. Four-bedroom, three-bath, 2,438 square foot. Again, it needs to be updated, this place. The kitchen looks, you know, the kitchen looks like it's from the 80s. It's that sort of thing. But $128,000. My word. So it's a lot of house for that little money. Then I found kind of that house but updated.

Four bedroom, three bath, 2,510 square feet. All updated. Backsplashes and all that shit. $224,900. Okay. About an extra $100,000 to have it all updated, which is what it would cost you to do it anyway. Not cheap. There you go.

I found a resident review. Actually, I found several of them being one stars. There's this one site that has resident reviews, and there's usually one that's one star or whatever. Here, I found a bunch. Okay. I'm just going to kind of put them into one and just put all their major complaints into one here. And I quote, housing in Dunbar is terrible. Most people don't take care of their place whatsoever, and so many houses are abandoned and overgrown.

Nobody really moves here. It's a dying town, and that is very obvious. The only employment opportunities are minimum wage jobs and car shops. Any job that is good is filled with the local residents who are not pleasant people whatsoever and make it miserable to work anywhere local business is dirty and the owners do not care about their facilities people are too poor to go elsewhere so they are still able to stay open too many people do not care about their jobs or how to do them welcome to detroit west virginia fucking jesus that is that's a bleak assessment right there. That's a Grim Karen outtake.

That is, that's just, that is Grim Karen's Resident Review. Resident Review brought to you by Grim Karen. Things to do here. Jesus. I found the Dunbar Fall Festival. Free to the public. There's food and vendors and a bunch of bands. Bunch of orange shit.

Toothless Ruth plays there. What? It's a band. I don't know. Gospel Sunday they have there. And Kids Day on Saturday where they have archery Irish road bowling. What? You're doing it wrong.

If you're that hammered where you're tossing the ball in the road, you fucked up. You made a wrong turn and you came out of the bathroom in the alley, asshole. Jesus Christ. Just roll it down the alley. It's an alley. It's not crowded tonight. That's good. Jesus.

And quote, inflatable games, whatever that is. And also the Dunbar, West Virginia Redhead Festival. That's not fun. It's a free event. They're trying to participate in the gathering for the most redheads in one place. And a portion of the proceeds, I swear, my first joke

was it will take place on the first cloudy Saturday of the month. That was my joke, and then the next line I read is a portion of these proceeds will go to the Melanoma Research Foundation. Raising skin cancer awareness is important because we gingers burn that's what it says so i was like i made a joke and redheads are asked to wear white all all others are asked to wear red this is fucking creepy amazing they have why why make them wear white we know where they're at

we got you we can see them heads bright fucking red we can see you from above chief redhead registration is at nine o'clock so make sure to get there wear white to signify you're a virgin we know we get it we got you got you gingy uh 12 p.m group picture of all registered redheads uh 11 30 a.m. Scottish Princess ceremony. I don't know what the hell that's all about. Co-authors of How to Be a Redhead are going to be there talking at 12 to 2. And then the Redhead Mermaid Princess

from 1 to 2 p.m. I don't know. Because they can't say Ariel because it's like a trademark. That's pretty much it. Yeah. The Disney's Redhead. The Redhead Half Fish Chick from that cartoon flick. child movie redhead it's like an asian buffet with her with her crab friend you know how that goes jesus christ can win a gift basket and uh a wild and wonderful west virginia gift basket you can win here

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I think it's time to talk about a murder here. Let's talk about, we'll go back to Juneune 24th 1971 okay so we are getting in the time machine this week we are going back 1971 this is right before picture the the environment we're in uh that 1974 was the the whole school book controversy so we're in a pretty conservative pretty you know this isn't a real uh this freewheeling kind of a place, I feel like. This is, people are... By the book. God-fearing, they're by the book.

They go to work, they come home, you know, I'm sure they drink a lot of beer and shit like that and beat the shit out of their wives and stuff. But I don't think they're, you know, whatever. They're very conservative here is what I'm getting at. So, June 24th, 1971. It is about 11 p.m this happens there's uh four teenage kids and they're 12 13 14 of that age one of them's 12 two of them are 13 one of them's 14 yeah they're young teens and they went to a baseball game yeah they went to a baseball game in hamlin west virginia and uh

the game gets over about 10 30 about 11 o'clock they're trying to get home and they are hitchhiking to get home which this was a time you could do that oh god and this you know maybe by 71 maybe people in california were starting to realize that that shit was a little dangerous with you know zodiac and there was there was more like publicized murder but in west virgin Virginia, this is safe. Yeah, this is as safe as it gets. One of your Christian neighbors is going to pick you up and drop you off at church if you want. I mean, it's all going to be fine.

Was the baseball team called the Reds? I believe it was, yeah. Oh, yes, it was. Well, they were the Reds, but then they were covered in coal dust. So not quite anymore so uh these four kids this is john triplet paul roberts guy anderson plumley and david lee mullins yeah and uh so they're hitchhiking home on state route three after the baseball game and they're picked up uh they get a ride good for them that's a score uh nobody wants to drive through the hills of west virgin Virginia at 11 o'clock at night all the way home. All alone?

All alone. They're picked up by a man driving a light blue 1969 Chevy car. Okay. Okay. They're picked up by him. And the man driving the car is a guy named Kent Lemoyne Sly. Okay. Lemoyne is his middle name.

L-E-M-O-Y-N-E. That is a weird middle name. It's a very weird middle name. SE-M-O-Y-N-E Lemoyne That is a weird middle name It's a very weird middle name Sly S-L-I-E They should be switched Yeah, Sly Lemoyne would be better But Kent Sly here

At the time, he is 25 years old He's a 25-year-old dude So if you get picked up as teenagers You'd rather be picked up by a younger person like that Dude with weed Dude with weed Maybe he's going to slip you a beer I bet he's got a pack of cigarettes up on the fucking dashboard he wouldn't mind you grabbing one it's like a fun uber yeah exactly that's a good thing

like that like some hunter thompson book i remember he was talking about pick he you know picked up a couple 13 year old runaways he goes yeah i gave him a ride down there and gave him a pack of cigarettes i had on me and you know fucking six pack of beer and sent him on their way like awesome yeah they're like that's a score so you know best ride ever absolutely and he didn't do anything else to them that's which is even better just left him off well he didn't put that in the book anyway right so you wouldn't admit to it yeah he's not admitting that shit so uh he is a uh currently this time, a sheet metal worker here. Sly is Kent Sly, not the 13-year-old he was picking up. And although it's West Virginia, you never know.

There might be something down there in the mine for them to do. So at this time, he is on parole for a grand larceny conviction that he had, that he served time at Moundsville Prison for. So, I mean, it's a grand larceny conviction that he had, that he served time at Moundsville Prison for. So, I mean, it's a grand larceny conviction. It's not a violent crime, but he's still on parole, and he's picking up teenage kids. He's originally from New Martinsville, which is in Wetzel County, West Virginia. So he's not from this area, but he's been living here recently and been working here. He came to the county after his release from prison

to learn sheet metal work at the State Rehabilitation Center. So he's living here doing, he's basically like episode, what was it, Reign of Massachusetts, I want to say. Was that episode two or something,

I believe. It's been a while. Yeah, where the guy was, you know, like a work training thing and that's why he was in the area too. Okay. Yeah, that sort of thing here. So he's learning sheet metal work, thing, and that's why he was in the area too. We had that sort of thing here.

So he's learning sheet metal work, which, I mean, shit, if you're out of prison and you have nothing to do, maybe you should stop stealing shit and learn some sheet metal. I don't know. It's a good trade. It's something. It's honest. And especially back then, too, there was probably a lot more to do with sheet metal than there is now. A sheet metal worker back then, it's a good profession. Back then, you

could build cars with it. Today, you can't do that shit. It's all plastic. You can't do anything with fucking, I'm sure, sheet metal is. Back then, it's a good profession. Back then, you could build cars with it. Today, you can't do that shit. It's all plastic. Can't do anything with fucking, I'm sure, sheet metal is. Sheet metal fabrication, what are you going to do? Yeah.

Nothing. Nothing. You're going to do nothing. I remember metal shop. Sheet metal's hard. You're going to build buildings. That's what you're going to do. That's it.

Yeah. That's about it, right? I guess. Put trailers back together? I'm sure there's tons of stuff. Sheet metal, I can't think of anything. Tuna cans,

I don't know what you're doing. That's not fun. In metal shop, they had us make a little box out of it. That's tons of stuff they do. Sheet metal? I can't think of anything. Tuna cans? I don't know what you're doing. That's not fun. In Metal Shop, they had us make a little box out of it. That's what they had to do. Weld fucking six pieces together? Yeah, to do a box. Well, it was one piece of tin, and then you had to snip a box out of it and then make a box, and then each side had to be fastened in a different way.

It'd be like a spot weld here and a fucking rivet over here and an oxy or not an oxy aside a bead over here a fucking arc you know over there so it was all like it i retained none of that shit i was like this is terrible i don't want to do any of this that sounds that's very interesting god awful i failed that class horribly because i just was like this is awful i don't want to fucking work with metal. Not that there's anything wrong with working with metal, but it just didn't speak to me. I just couldn't, didn't have any interest in it. This seems difficult all day. This seems difficult, yeah.

So, Jesus Christ, man. So, John Triplett was the one kid. He gets into the front seat, you know, next to the door, in the front seat there. Drive passenger seat. uh you know next to the door in the front seat there drive passenger seat uh david lee mullins gets in the back seat in the middle and gary anderson plumley is in the back seat on the left and paul roberts is in the back seat on the right okay so uh yeah it goes uh it goes uh anderson mullins roberts in the back seat lined up triplet in the front seat kent sly driving on parole okay so uh plumley and mullins uh get into the front seat after that for some reason with mullins sitting in the middle i guess they hop into the

front seat and uh uh plumley says that uh that at this point they're driving and kent sly offers them five dollars each if not for sexual shit i know what you're thinking he offers them five dollars each if the kids would help that would help him load some stolen property into the trunk of his car he's telling children this shit teenagers yeah but this is this is uh kids don't give a shit they said fuck yeah let's do it it's five bucks in 1971 in west virginia that's fucking that's money i mean that's fucking, that's money. I mean, that's something. Yeah, at least in West Virginia too back then, the economy was not great.

And we don't have to blow you? Sure. Yeah, it sounded great. Now, this is a bad move. Right away, I can tell. Never do that. Never do. When I was 13 years old, I was in Phoenix for uh for a year and i had a friend of mine and we

were at this mcdonald's it was a tatum and bell at mcdonald's over there yeah you know anybody from phoenix would know this i think it's it's still there it's still there we were at that mcdonald's there and uh and this guy was outside it was like nine o'clock at night we were fucking we were fucking off and there was this guy outside and i walked out and i saw my friend getting into a pickup truck with some dude and i'm like what the fuck is he doing there and uh my friend was like a blonde kid too i don't know if he might have been attractive to somebody who's into that sort of thing into pedophilia so uh i ended up following because i was behind him i ended up following and i just hopped in what the fuck's going on we're both the same age but i was i've always been a

dick you're already six one yeah that's the other thing too no i had a growth spurt i was fucking i was like i was like six two at this point so i was not to be i was and i was just always a dick so i said what the fuck's going on and my friend mike turns to me and he goes hey man he goes this guy he goes he'll give us fifty dollars each if we'll help him fucking he's got a bunch of silver and he's this isn't bullshit with silver or something and i look at the guy and he's a total scumbag he's in this shitty little s10 pickup truck and i had a switchblade in my pocket i fucking pulled it out and i said we're leaving the fucking car now and i threatened to cut the guy and me and mike got out of the thing

i will fucking cut you motherfucker i was a lunatic at that point in time and i dragged my friend out of the car and that was the end of it and i wish somebody would have had a switchblade in this scenario okay yes i carried a switchblade when i was 13 i carry a pocket knife yeah that's what they call it it's a big pocket knife yeah that's i got a few of them i don't want it actually it was like an actual stiletto who popped yeah scared the shit out of this guy too i was like i told him i cut his throat and so i said we're leaving that was that he's a lunatic so i could have been very had a different saved a kid's life or i could have had a very different life after cutting a pedophile's throat in the fucking mcdonald's parking lot at 13 what if that pedophile is really pedophiled into uh getting in your

butthole too no and he's got a gun you know what i mean that's true then you gotta cut him man i would have had to cut him i would have had to be the way to go but i'm just saying i this is for a kid i can see the the yeah five bucks because my friend had didn't even think twice about it he was literally like yeah this is great dude this is awesome 50 bucks i was like no all we have to do is get in his car and drive out to the middle yeah okay that sounds great nobody gives 50 to kids no no no not for anything non- drive out to the middle. Okay, that sounds great. Nobody gives $50 to kids. No. No.

No, not for anything non-sexual. Your aunt doesn't even give that to you on Christmas. Yeah, that's a... So fuck out of the car. Is it your birthday? Is that your grandma? Well, then they're molesting you. It's certainly about to be your death day.

It's about to be something. So the boys agree to this offer, and they say, okay, so the car gets driven to a remote section off the main road. So now he's got four teenage kids here driving off to a remote section. He stops the car, gets out of the car, and walks around to the trunk and opens it. So at this time, two of the boys get out on the right side of the car, and they walk back to the trunk. And at this point, Kent turns to them and says, by the way, I have a gun in my pocket, and you guys are kidnapped. So you're not going anywhere. He ain't going anywhere. There a gun in my pocket and you guys are kidnapped. So fucking.

So you're not going anywhere. You ain't going anywhere. There's no stolen property and you're certainly not getting five dollars. Worst of all. Worst of all. No money. There's no fuck. I have no cash on me.

So this isn't going to work at all. So he ends up taking the Plumlee kid. And these little hot motherfuckers see an ATM around here. Unless you've seen an ATM atm then you're kidnapped otherwise it'll be a paid kidnapping but you're still kidnapped so uh the the uh this ends up happening the plumley kid is put in the trunk of the car and the car is and the trunk is closed behind him then this guy uh but before this i'm sorry i meant to tell you this too the uh the uh the other two kids besides plumley and mullins were dropped off at their house before this so he's only got two once

he gets off the main road these kids said they needed to go home so drop them off and he's got these two kids going out to pay him five dollars for stolen property okay got a gun in my pocket kidnapped stuffs one kid in the trunk of the car and closes the trunk on him how scary is that horrifying you're kidnapped and you've now been putting a trunk in the middle i can't even imagine if you're in a trunk you don't know what's going on right there that's fucking frightening i mean when i got robbed a gunpoint and stuffed into that for into the fridge yeah at least that fridge is not mobile at least it's a room right like it's not a fucking you're not you're not you can fit in the fridge is what i'm getting oh there's plenty yeah this is it's a room, too. Like, it's not a fucking, you're not, you can fit in the fridge is what I'm getting at.

Oh, there's plenty of room. Yeah. Tons of room. It's not a. I get to run around in there. Yeah, it's a walk-in, a dark closet, or a dark trunk. And they left the light on. Yeah.

I thought that was thoughtful. That's nice of them. That's good of them, yeah. But I mean, this, at any point, the trunk could pop open and you can get the opening of Goodfellas Joe Pesci treatment here at any time. You're defenseless. Any minute. You're in a trunk, for Christ's sake.

So this is disturbing here. So the trunk is closed. So then Kent Sly takes David Lee Mullins a short distance from the car and tells him to take his clothes off and lie down in the middle of the road. Oh, boy. In the middle of the road.

Yeah. There's woods everywhere. He takes him and makes him lie down in the middle of the road oh boy in the middle of the road yeah there's woods everywhere he takes him and makes him lie down in the middle of the road uh where okay uh this is uncomfortable so i'm going to quote directly from court documents whenever i'm uncomfortable with something i just quote directly from court documents that way it ain't my fucking words uh blame the state of west virginia yeah uh had him lie down in the middle of the road quote whereupon the driver of the car then committed the act of sodomy upon his anus okay i don't know in the road in the middle of the road

that's dangerous it seems like that's what i'm saying this guy fucking kidnapping pedophilia is not dangerous enough sexual aberrant enough sexual behavior for you needs to be in the middle of the road too it's got to be a thrill thing on top of it in case somebody somebody could see it yeah uh maybe they don't see you and you get run over it's midnight in the middle of west virginia i don't think there's street lights around here you're gonna get run over by somebody they're gonna think you're an animal and fucking run you over and he's out there oh good lord assaulting a child assaulting a child in the road a 13 year old kid in the middle of the street this is beyond disturbing at this point uh so how would you like to be the kid in the trunk while this is going on oh you can hear because you can hear oh boy you can fucking hear all of this going

on and i'm sure it couldn't have been a comfortable scenario for this kid and i'm sure this kid was speaking out i assume he wasn't quiet right i don't know how you would be so calling for help or something so uh jesus christ this is nuts so after he's done yeah he he he drags this kid out of the road uh and he forces uh he forces him uh jesus christ he forces mullins into the trunk of the car with the other kid and closes it. Okay. So now they're both in the trunk of the car. This kid's been horribly violated in the middle of the street.

Now he's going to tell the other kid about it. And fucking what's he going to do now to us? We're in a lot of trouble. This is, I can't imagine a scarier scenario for children, especially. This is, I mean, for an adult, you wouldn't know what the fuck to do. Never mind if you're 13, 14 years old. Especially if you're 13, 14. And these kids aren't from modern-day big city.

They're from a 1971 small hill town. They don't even know this behavior exists. So they're innocent. Except for when they see that one weird kid. Because in a small town, you know that weird kid like does that stuff to animals and shit oh there's the way he was a real yeah vicious psycho motherfucker yeah yeah who does horrible shit but yeah they don't know about like they don't they don't know what that is they don't think some guy's gonna know if a guy's gonna kidnap him it wouldn't be to rape him in the middle of the

street i don't think i doubt that's not even a concern that they have at this point in their minds uh so at this point he drives sly kent sly drives for approximately 30 minutes oh good lord imagine being in that fucking trunk may as well have been 30 hours 30 minutes it had to have felt like 30 hours yeah every bump had to feel and then when he finally stops you had to be like oh no yeah you got a stop sign or is that over the only thing scarier than this ride would be this ride ending yeah i would think that's it's it's it's be like the walk to the electric chair like the only thing scarier than the walk is actually reaching your destination yeah so uh he ends up stopping finally in lincoln county near little laurel creek okay uh now kent sly at this point takes mullins out of the trunk again the same boy he he violated in the street and closes the trunk

with plumley still inside okay so now he's pulling this kid out and this plumley kids number one got to be petrified number two like what like, what the fuck? What am I? What, a chop liver? Yeah. No, I don't mean to assault, but you have no plans for me at all? Am I just going to be tortured all night listening and watching this stuff? That's what I mean. What's the plan for me? Right.

And I'm a little insulted. I'm just kidding. That's terrible. It's not true. So, yeah. So, he closes it. This poor kid's still in there, this Plumlee kid. So the driver here, Kent Sly, walks Mullins, takes Mullins and walks him down to a shallow creek in the woods.

This is Little Laurel Creek. Little Laurel Creek. This is frightening. So you figure his plans for you, no matter what, they're not good. He's at the very least the best thing he's done so far. Not the best best but the only thing he's done so far is stuff you in a trunk and sexually assault you so these are these are things that uh not that you can get over them but you can live a life through it yeah i mean after this but but not walking down to a creek this is bad yeah in the dark at midnight this is bad you're getting walked into the woods or to a body of water that's

frightening that's trouble yeah that's that's almost as bad as being told to dig a hole right the only thing worse is if they said hey by the way dig a hole you can usually come to a logical logical conclusion with that one at least you have a shovel at that point you can at least defend it may take some sort of action but that is an interesting thought like here dig a hole you just armed me yeah well usually you're holding a gun on somebody which is gun trump shovel obviously but you can at least i mean it's hard to hit a moving target with a gun with a gun it's easier with a shovel so you can just swing that shovel back and forth moving your it's better than getting shot definitely true i'm if you take me in the woods and try to kill me and you give me a shovel i'm gonna take the shovel and try to

fuck you up i'm sorry you're gonna have to shoot me i'm not digging the hole put it that way one way or another you're digging you're digging the fucking hole yeah and you're probably gonna have at least some sort of shovel mark on your head because i'm coming at you and i'm a big guy you can shoot me and i'm still probably gonna have another swing left in me at least one shot's not gonna finish it you better fucking stand back pretty far yeah Just put it that way. And I'll be juking and jiving. You're not hitting me in the head. I'll be head faking like a motherfucker out there.

You have no idea. I'll look like Floyd Mayweather out there. I'm going to put my best spin move on you. I'm making all sorts of boxing movements that no one can see. All kinds of vomit all week. Only for Jimmy. You were floating. That was floating like a butterfly. I'm about to sting like a bee bitch

so uh yeah this fucking mess so what he does here this uh sly is he takes mullins down there and i don't know what the conversation was but he uh ends up grabbing once they get to the creek he grabs mullins around the throat and starts choking him and tries to put dunk and dunks his head under the water and starts trying to drown him while he's choking him. So he's now got this kid and he's just trying to straight hold his head underwater by his throat and choke him. So Mullins, though, this kid's a fucking scrapper and he's a fighter. He manages while this is going on.

He's reaching around on the side of a creek. He's just reaching around. He finds a good size rock. You betcha. Grabs onto that shit and cracks sly in the forehead with it oh man fucking whomped him good yeah apparently uh with the uh with this rock and then this caused sly to let him go and this kid just took off into the woods that a boy fucking ran he didn't give a shit which direction better than this right let the animals take me i don't know there's a chance at least i'd rather be eaten by a bear at least yeah i'd rather maybe be eaten by a bear than definitely be drowned by this fucking pedophile so uh the other kid so then he goes but he's got

one in the trunk still yeah so now he goes to the kid in the trunk he's got he's got a plumbly in the trunk and this this had to be a hard to say what do you do now one kid ran away in the woods in the dark you're never gonna find this he's fucking gone yeah a scared kid running through the woods in the dark you're not finding him i mean especially with a forehead wound the best plan of action at this moment was as somebody that's clear thinking that didn't just rape a child and try to drown him uh open the trunk let that kid out and fucking floor it and get the fuck out of here move to mexico i've never seen those kids in my life. I don't know what you're talking about.

DNA doesn't exist. No habla. Who? Español. No habla. Español. See? Just shake your hand.

I don't know. I got nothing. No English. I shrug a lot. I don't know. No English. I got nothing. I'm from here.

I'm sorry. I was in the bathroom. I was in the bathroom i was in the bedroom i didn't see nothing i don't know nothing about it so instead uh this guy he has a decision to make he had to like figure it out so he slowly makes his way back to the car yeah and uh opens the trunk and there's plumley, scared shitless, not knowing what happened. He doesn't know. He has no ideas, but he just ran. He doesn't know what the fuck just happened.

So he's just like, did you just kill my friend? When you left, there was two of you. You came back, there's one of you. And you're here to get me. I doubt you dropped my friend off at Baskin-Robbins for some ice cream. Did you walk him home? Yeah. Is he home with his mom now?

Good. But instead of pulling him out and repeating the process, Sly tells Plumlee, get the hell out of here. And fucking Plumlee quickly, quickly does that. He jumps out of the fucking jumps out of the trunk and runs as fast as he can in whatever direction he can down the road. Just out of there. So his plan is the non-pedophile plan.

His plan was, I'm fucked. They saw me. They know who i am i can't kill this kid now because that kid's definitely gonna fucking tell somebody about this uh i better let this one go and at least i don't have a murder charge on my hand so that's at least uh he's thinking to me that definitely shows a logical progression of thinking there's no there's no like craziness here i can say that much uh so this kid ran away and uh and uh he drove off uh sly drove off like nothing ever happened uh this was on june 24th this all happened now the kids ran uh immediately to a house uh you know first house they found and

banged on the door at midnight and said you you know, we were kidnapped and please call the police and all this shit. So, you know, that's a they'll get your attention. Yeah. If a nude child is banging on your door at midnight saying they need the police. Wow. That's frightening. a warrant on June 27th and they go to find Kent Sly and they find him in his car outside of his home in Hamlin, which is in Lincoln County, on June 28th, 1971 at 11 p.m. So this was a week late.

This took a few days, four days. One of the officers said that he was advised of his rights at that point, right when he was arrested. They didn't waste any time with that. He was taken to the Hamlin State Police Headquarters, where he was questioned, obviously, concerning the warrants that they had out for him. You know, we're going to go out on a limb here, buddy. Did you happen to, I don't know, kidnap a bunch of teenagers? Oh, you raped one of them. Remember that?

Yeah, in the middle of the street, there's that. forcible sodomy is a thing in the state especially for a kid you know it's not a good thing to do they have questions for him is what i'm getting at so uh is that you is that you that wasn't you right that wasn't cool that's not cool dude we're gonna ask a question that we're pretty sure you're going to say it wasn't me. Is that you? Is that you? Did you do that? So he's then taken to the Hamlin police headquarters. He's questioned for all this shit. Soon after, they brought the kids into the police station to ID him, obviously. So what they did was they took the kids one at a time into the room where he was being interrogated and had them look at him and identify him they didn't do a two-way glass they didn't do a lineup just look into that they just had they just had him walk in the room with the guy sitting there and they said is this this

fucking asshole the kids were like that's the guy and they were like all right then they turned the kids around and walked them out oh my god that was it which is they do that but not usually at a police station once there's a when you're at a police station, once the guy's under arrest, you have to do a lineup and shit. But there's a gray area because you can do IDs and other scenarios. I read a whole case on this, trying to figure this out. It's super complicated, and you really have to be a judge because it seems like it's completely arbitrary when it's one thing and when it's the other it's just what that judge decides at that point in time so whatever i caught a guy stealing copper and i called the police and reported him they caught the guy had him in an alleyway and then brought me over there had me stand by my vehicle they walked him out

behind the most an awkward thing an unseen id that's what that's normal that's so awkward that's normal they'll take uh victims or something and they'll point them out there that's kind of once you get them in the station though you have the wherewithal to do a lineup at that point yeah you can get a bunch of other people you can do a lineup you you can do it so that's the point where they didn't do that the guy is so defeated and he's handcuffed and he just like slumped over looking at me like, can you just, he's begging, just say it wasn't me. Yeah, please. You know it wasn't me, right? Come on.

Never seen me before, right? You know me better than that, man. What have we been through? How much shit have we been through? The funniest part was, it was after we had talked about bindles so many times on this show and he was carrying like a bindle. Oh, awesome. So I told that to the police they caught brought him around the corner showed me and i'm like yeah yeah that's the guy i'm like where's your bindle bro and the cop standing next

to me goes what's a bindle are you kidding me come on man because what's a cop should know hobo terminology i feel like i'm like bro there's a train right there go ask anybody that's right you're dealing with probably a lot of homeless people. You should know a bindle. Give me a fucking break. What's a bindle? Get the hell out of here. That shit in the alley that he's got bundled up with all my shit in it?

Yeah. That's a bindle. Bindle. He's got a bundle of a bindle. He's got a bindle bundle at the moment. Yeah, a bundle of wire. That's a bindle. That's a bindle bundle.

We call that bundle a bindle around here, my friend. Jesus Christ. Fun funniest thing ever so uh each of the kids identified him as being the driver of the car who picked them up on the night of the 24th uh the only people in the room besides uh sly and the kids were the other uniformed state police officers were there uh the after this uh after they did what they call a show up which is just a the id visual id he's then driven uh they get old kent sly and they pick him up and they put him in a car and they drive him to huntington uh somewhere different another town where he undergoes several lie detector tests uh work because they're very concerned about uh a missing and then found

dead 13 year old boy that they found about two months before that uh this person was uh none of these four no no it's not these four kids that he picked up this is a kid this was two months before all of this got it in april of 1971 a 13 year old boy named daniel collins who just turned 13 years old disappeared uh march 24th of 1971 he was out uh doing his afternoon paper route as innocent small town paper route 12 year old kid doing a small town paper route afternoon afternoon paper and never came home jesus so i mean how, it should be safe to do an afternoon paper route in a small town in 1971. The fucking sun's up.

Yeah, and it wasn't. So then they had him. By the way, this boy that they found, Daniel Collins, had been sexually assaulted and strangled. The little boy. All right. Yeah. Paper route kid.

Paper route kid. It was sexually assaulted and strangled. That's an interesting M.O. Yeah, it's by a creek, too familiar oh boy really yeah we'll talk about this uh yeah we'll talk all about it so they they question him because that's what they the police went um hmm yeah that's interesting where did he take you to a creek he said and then okay well let's let's get him in here very interesting so he takes some lie detector tests they uh they take him to the state police barracks again and they question question him again about the murder. Now, this kid, like we said, he didn't come home after delivering his paper route on March 24th.

He was found, his body was found on March 25th, Collins. It was found near Frazier's Bottom, which is an unincorporated little area in Putnam County. But he was taken from Dunbar where he was, you know, whatever. That's where they found his body. He had been sexually molested and strangled to death. The body was covered with sand and water. So it was like a shallow creek area covered with sand and water and was found about a mile off a uh us 35 on a secondary road uh called plantation road a school bus driver spotted the body as he made his rounds how the fuck did a school bus

driver make your rounds and see a mostly i guess if it was the right light or something he pulled over to smoke a joint pulled over to smoke a joke take a piss yeah i'm getting a real like hayman lee thing here where like the dude was like yeah when took a piss oh in the deep thick woods 100 feet off the road you had to piss i don't think so nobody's that fucking gun shy about pissing you know what i mean no i don't know as a school bus driver you might want to because you don't stop at toilets throughout the day you know what i mean probably not well i mean you go to the depot in the middle of the day. It's only a couple hours. Yeah, you go for a couple hours. You bring the bus in, and then you go back out in the afternoon.

Yeah. I think. I don't think you're always in the middle. I don't know their schedule. I don't either. You're not driving around all day. I doubt it. You're just, well, see you later. But they are drinking coffee.

You know how fast you get pissed when you drink coffee? Especially with that bumpy bus ride going. Goddamn bumpy driver's seat. Jesus. goddamn bumpy driver's seat jesus so uh the the uh the driver spotted the the young daniel's body there uh dunbar dunbar residents raised more this is fucking this they they banded together these people this is not a wealthy area and these people don't have a lot of money they went door to door to to solicit contributions for a reward fund to find out who killed this kid.

It's fucking heartbreaking. They raised $1,500. That's great. There, which in 1971 in that area, it's a lot of money as a reward for anyone coming forth with information leading to the arrest and conviction of his killer. They went and conducted a full-time investigation. They had a long list of leads that quickly dried up and they were they were at a dead end uh by ape by the middle of april they

were in a complete dead end he was taken at the end of march and these are so hard to solve when it's like that because it's typically uh statistically somebody close by you know what i mean when it's when it's a stranger like this they're so fucking hard to solve it is so they didn't know what to do once everything dried up they were they were they started calling in a this area i've noticed because it was another there was a missing little girl and they brought in profilers so they bring in psychological profilers in 1971 that is ahead of the curve there's like three people to do it yeah that's that's well ahead of the curve that's really just kind of a budding thing at this point that a lot of people don't even take seriously a lot of people think it's

bullshit still in the early 70s uh they said that uh the profile here said the type of man being sought by them uh is uh probably a withdrawn i'm going to quote right from the report here he's probably a withdrawn shy homosexual who can't accept his condition and kills not for the thrill of it, but to avoid capture. This is a clinical psychologist at Marshall University said that. No wonder they thought it was bullshit, because you read that and you've never heard of this stuff before. You read that and you're like, yeah, that's just somebody that wants to say something horrible. Exactly. Yeah.

I mean, people have a loathing for themselves here's a guy that does this latent homosexual and they're like jesus man you gotta call him that yeah come on man jesus take it easy at least he should be a fine upstanding christian no it's one thing to call the man a murderer but a homosexual jesus you guys calling him a homosexual now that's a whole different thing now now Now, I'm sorry. Murder is one thing. You can get into heaven that way. I'll put it that way.

You kill a guy. You say, hey, I'm sorry about it. You ride up there. No problem. But gay? Oh, boy. We're going to have to pray for that boy. We're going to have to pray.

So, yeah, this is a clinical psychologist. He said that the person is not psychotic or crazy, might be married and the father of several children, might appear perfectly normal with even his wife unaware of his problem. To such an individual, the sexual assault, usually on small children, is an impulse that strikes periodically and can't be controlled. Stressful situations can spur such an attack. For such an early profile, the guy's pretty ahead of his time honestly for all of this shit he's nailing him as the most dangerous human being on earth yeah this is this is a weird thing that he says here women rarely are sex criminals because generally if they have a homosexual problem which is a weird way of putting it uh i guess a problem

to them uh they accept it instead of fighting it that's what he says men who accept this problem without burying burying it in their minds rarely become sex killers uh he says so i mean he's saying like if you're just gay and you're cool with it those guys aren't going to do this because a lot of times they're like well we're looking for who's the swishiest guy in town that's what they'd say but no no he's the least likely guy to do it he's fine with himself he's looking for other adults to party with like you leave him out of the shit some favorite description of the game yeah because that's what they'd be like who's richard good klinsky called himself yeah i could see them hunting though looking around

looking around the coal mines hey any of you guys dance good? Not the black guy. White guys. Any of you white guys dance good? Of course you dance good, goddamn it. I'm asking the fucking white guys. We know they can't dance. You can dance. You're under arrest. Let's go.

Come here, you swishy fuck. You swishy sumbitch. Let's go. You know that's what they would have been thinking. I love that Richard Guglinski, he felt bad that he called himself that. I started acting real, you know, swishy. And then he felt bad about that. He didn't want to say anything.

And he smiled all sly. And he goes, you know, not that there's anything wrong. I love how he's describing brutal murders, but he doesn't want you to think he's a homophobe. He's like, listen, I'm a progressive guy. First of all. I don't know what to say. Real swishy. You know how it is.

I don't know. I don't want to insult anybody. He just talked about shooting a crossbow through a guy's forehead ten seconds ago. What the fuck are you talking about? I don't know what to say. Real swishy. You know how it is. I don't know. I don't want to insult anybody. It's like, just talked about shooting a crossbow through a guy's forehead 10 seconds ago. What the fuck are you talking about? You taped a guy to a chair and let rats chew his dick off. Yeah, but, you know.

He's worried about how he's going to be perceived. Swishy. It's a little swishy. Jesus Christ. Welcome to the small town of Chinook, where faith runs deep and secrets run deeper. In this new thriller, available exclusively on Wondery Plus, religion and crime collide when a gruesome murder rocks the isolated Montana community. Everyone is quick to point their fingers at a drug-addicted teenager, but local deputy Ruth Vogel isn't convinced. She suspects connections to a

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You can listen to episodes early and ad-free by joining Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts. So he goes on to say, because the murderer apparently committed the crime in a secluded spot and dumped the body in the woods, it's reasonable to assume he didn't want to be caught. Well, no shit. Some offenders want capture as a form of recognition. He says, quote, It sounds a little trite to say it,

but the killer could very well be anybody's next-door neighbor. So the typical scary small town could be anybody. Boogeyman. Boogeyman, exactly. This is the case of the small town boogie man it's absolutely that uh suspects here uh who you fucking everybody uh they find four suspects actually uh four uh four young men are taken into custody uh for a separate thing and are almost charged with this uh we're going to talk about it here uh a guy named uh elmer doyle

lovejoy which absolutely sounds like he will have a church that he will run at some point uh elmer doyle lovejoy who's 20 years old that name should never be a 20 a 20 year old named elmer lovejoy are you fucking kidding me it's a swishy fella come on it sounds like an old man in overalls and a big beard with no mustache elmer lovejoy here picture a guy his last name is love joy he loves to fucking get joy fucking boys doesn't he i pictured like the simpsons preacher reverend lovejoy there so he's 20 freddie lee counts who's 24 a clarence sillman who's 20 and an alfred lee kid who's 22 if you put lovejoy and kid together they did it all right i mean just lovejoy and kid lovejoy kid not fucking them to let counts and silman go i

don't know what to say about that so uh they ended up pleading guilty and were sentenced for a robbery uh they robbed a clothing store in lawrenceville georgia all four of them all four of them they did they were doing armed robberies they have several armed robberies around multiple states They robbed a clothing store in Lawrenceville, Georgia. All four of them? All four of them they did. They were doing armed robberies. They have several armed robberies around multiple states, Virginia, West Virginia, Georgia, all over. When searching the car when they were caught, and they're all from Kanawha County in West Virginia where we are, when searching the car, Georgia police found a color photograph of what appeared to be the body of a white male laying face down in a heavily wooded area oh boy so they said we're looking for one of those uh we

found a white male head face down in a heavily wooded area gee this is interesting yeah let's talk to these kids for a while uh they said the picture might have been of collins and uh daniel collins the missing child and uh they were 100 percent interested in talking to these these guys here. After a while, they said they studied the photograph under intense magnification and also questioned the four young men. And they ended up finding out that the photo was of these guys were in the paper like they were about to charge them like child killers found you know should be arrested should be charged any day now uh turns out the picture was of a man who

became intoxicated during a drinking party and was photographed after he passed out so it was just some guy who got shit-faced at a party passed out they're like take a picture of ted he's fucking shit-faced holy hell show that i'm gonna mail it to his mother take a picture come on get a picture of that dummy that's what it was so these guys everyone thought these kids were child murderers because of this picture and uh they ended up being cleared of any involvement in the daniel collins slaying uh but they also were charged with more uh robbery they're so lynched they're still absolutely fucked uh kid and counts received sentences of 10 years each oh jesus christ and lovejoy and selman got five years

each in georgia state prison on uh robbery charges uh wow but at least there's no they're not going to it's not death they're not death or life in prison right so who did it yeah who killed this daniel collins was it s Good question. Let's talk about it. Sly, who's a, obviously, he's a sheet metal worker we talked about at the time in Kiwana County, he was actually given a lie detector test when taken to Huntington and asked about the Collins crime. He was given a lie detector test. He was also taken to a wooded area at his own

suggestion to search for various items which related to the murder of the boy so he started saying well i mean i don't know if i was going to go there maybe i'd look for this and then he slowly started giving pieces giving his own involvement okay uh the search lasted for several hours on june 29th and he was transferred back to Hamlin. He got back to Hamlin, and he ended up within an hour of getting back from after the Woods search. He signed a waiver of rights and gave a written statement to the West Virginia State Police relating to the June 24th incident with the four kids that he picked up. Okay. 24th incident with the four kids that he picked up. At 8.30pm on June 29th, he was put back in jail, and then

he was arraigned the next day on kidnapping charges for the four kids. He ended up, Sly ended up being indicted in November 1971, and then re-indicted again in March of 1972 for the kidnapping charges.

These are kidnapping of David Lee Mullins, attempted murder of David Lee Mullins, kidnapping of Guy Anderson Plumlee, and sodomy on David Lee Mullins. That's a tough one. Those are bad charges, especially in 1971 West Virginia. Yeah. They're looking at you a little side-eyed, I'm going to say. No one's going, well, he seems like a nice young man. Not anymore.

Not no more. Yeah, so he was charged with all of that stuff, like we said here. And he elected, this is the whole thing here, he elected, the state announced that it would proceed with the indictment of kidnapping. And before the trial, he moves the defendant here sly moves to uh to to get rid of another indictment saying it was vague and ambiguous the the uh the charges that he had against the mullins kid of you know sodomy in the street that's a that's ambiguous he said that it was listen to this shit vague and ambiguous did not properly advise the defendant of the charges

against him with sufficient specificity in order to present an adequate defense he filed a motion for a bill of particulars requiring the state specifically set forth the acts which the defendant allegedly committed that is in detail can you fucking believe this that is to his own legal detriment yeah the prosecution's doing him a favor by by by basically not freaking the jury out they're not putting the details in because they don't want people in the jury to shut the fuck down because that's what they'll do back then absolutely these people their brain their brains will fucking explode so they don't go into detail they just say sodomized in the street and that's plenty yeah and this guy said no no no needs to be every

detail because i want to hear that fucking red in court that's why i'm going to relive i need to read that because then i get documents and then i get to read every day i can sit and read exactly what i did to this kid good lord everyone. Everyone can know that. That's how sick this fucking guy is. The compulsion for that is more than the compulsion to go to prison for less time. It's like Bundy asking that state trooper. It's exactly what it is. It's exactly what it is. That's disgusting.

It's the exact same thing as Bundy telling that state trooper. No, no, keep. No, I really described it. And what was inside her? We don't need this shit. Yeah, that was all for him. That's all it was. He also. Yeah, yeah this is crazy he also has something else to say uh he also uh has a little confession to make about some other shit at this point a little more investigation

of him reveals that uh that sly once lived in dunbar in an apartment right beside the trailer park where Collins lived. Daniel Collins, our dead child. So that's a connection there where he would have seen this kid. He would have absolutely seen him and known of him and know he existed and especially would have seen him making a little paper route twice a day. That's that kid that drives. And if you're a pedophile, that's like a spinner bait going by a largemouth bass out there every time. Well, there he goes.

That is catnip. It's catnip. He at this point admits to sexually assaulting and killing Daniel Collins. He admits to it. He says he did it. Why would he do that? Because they I think he wants to fucking I think he wants to hear about it. That's why

I honestly think he wants to hear about it. Do you think he knows that he's fucked for this one anyway? He knows he's going down for these kids he knows that but i don't know if he's in a point where he's just like screw it they got me for this might as well get me for all this kiss my ass i don't know if that's what it is or if he wants to he might want the attention of this or if he wants to relive it possibly that's the other thing we we're not sure i'm not gonna get to do this ever again i may as well relive it one more again certainly not uh yeah so he he ends up uh he ends up saying wow it's so fucking bad he says he sexually assaulted him and then he strangled him yeah and it gets worse if that's possible um he said that poor this poor

kid daniel collins was still breathing when he dumped him and put him under the water and said he was still breathing this piece of shit couldn't even finish the fucking job of putting this poor kid out of his misery this poor kid had to you know die that way horrible yeah that's the worst can you think of a worse way to go besides being kidnapped sodomized and fucking buried alive after you've been strangled for a while? It's about as bad as it gets. So it turns out there was a tip that led them to suspect him. Anyway, besides the fact the M.O. is pretty goddamn on the money.

A guy named Arvelo Adkins from the town marshal there was applying for the reward money to pay it out to a Dunbar resident after this whole thing here. A guy supplied a tip that led to the arrest of Sly on this. Basically, this person was an auto mechanic, and he became suspicious when Kent Sly contacted him for car repairs following the murder and another incident with the other kid. And so there was certain things about the car that made him suspicious. Yeah. I don't know if there was like blood in it or I'm not sure how it worked. But yeah, he notified the state police of his suspicions about Sly. And that's how he got arrested for the abductions,

because the kids said, it was this guy, it was this guy, but they didn't know exactly who it was. They were looking for him, and then two days later, this guy calls and goes, guy came into my shop with this kind of car, same description of the car, and had problems with it that would have matched up with that.

In the dirt on the inside of the truck lid, it said, this man just raped us. Yeah, you know how that goes. It was weird. So this guy gets the $1,500, in the dirt on the inside of the truck lid it said uh this man just raped us yeah that's you know how that goes weird so uh this guy gets the 1500 bucks uh uh but they ended up doing a thousand dollars for the tip and they gave 500 for the collins family for the funeral expenses because jesus christ that's awful um looking for this for this boy and and this investigation to see who killed this boy seven different state police detachments took part in the in the probe which carried in uh into three states and totaled

an estimated 5 000 man hours and 10 000 miles of driving around at one time troopers said they had 88 possible suspects 88 suspects and they said quote and sly was fourth from the bottom of the list he was suspect number fucking 85 there are 84 more important there was 84 people they were way more concerned about he was just like well i guess we got to interview these idiots too that leads you to i mean forensics and forensic science is right on the money because yeah he was he's somebody that you wouldn't be concerned with that's what they even said yeah they said it's somebody that you wouldn't you wouldn't suspend grand larceny because it's not a violent criminal record it's not anything like that so even his wife

wouldn't know that's what they said i mean she probably wouldn't uh so uh december 1971 is the murder trial this is they do that first murder trial for Daniel Collins. It's a three day trial. They object. The defense objects to the to the confession being allowed in. The judge says, fuck that. You're getting the confessions coming in. The defense presented its case saying they said that they attempt to establish that Sly didn't sign the confession willingly. And this is fucking. And they listen to this shit okay i'm listening this is fucking weird they call his mother to the stand sly's mother

to the stand because wow sly was taken to sign his confession then and back to lincoln county where he came from they were driving him back police escorted him and they had his mother meet them on the road with her car so they would allow him to talk to his mother that was the deal like i'll sign the confession i'll take you out show you the shit show you where i put the kid so you know i did it i'll sign the confession and on the way back i get to talk to my mom that's all he wants that's what he wants so they uh allow him to talk to her his mother and uh and his mother says in court she testifies uh quote he said i signed a statement saying that i killed the boy uh he said i had to do it he looked at me like he didn't want to say more uh but like he wanted to say more but

he didn't that's the uh that's the her testimony so uh they they they testified that sly admitted to his mother on the the cops ended up testifying that sly admitted to his mother on the side of the road that he did kill danny collins they said quote she said did you do it son and the and he said that the cop testifies that he answered back, yes. So he told his mother he did it, but didn't know why. That's what he said. Now, his mother now is saying he said he had to sign it, not I didn't know why. So during the prosecution testimony, police read the detailed confession in court, which was detailed because, he wants, he wanted all that shit to be preserved.

Uh, it said that to break it down in non disgusting ways. Uh, he said Sly had sexual relations with, with Daniel Collins. He actually said those words. He said, well,

that's, that's what I'm going to say. God said he had sexual relations with him to put it, uh, mildly. He said in much greater detail in the confession exactly what he did exactly no no they want the confession you have to detail and uh so yeah they stay in this type of thing you're trying to gas the jury up and trying to you're trying to inflame on top

of it you want everybody to be mad at this fucking guy if you're the prosecution so go ahead and read out what he did go ahead what he said he did did. Go ahead. What he said he did. Right. So, yeah, he said he had sexual relations with Collins. And this is the weirdest part. Okay. He said that he was concerned that Collins was having sexual relations with other youths for money. What? That's what he said.

He's concerned about that. Apparently the paper route was a little like in the middle of it or like before. what that's what he said because he's concerned about that apparently the paper route was a little like in the middle of it or like before and that's why he did it that's what caused it he said it said it said in the confession that he that sly kent sly became angered when daniel collins tried to get money from him okay i don't know if he said he's trying to say this kid dude just turned 13 as a prostitute he's pulling tricks around the trailer park after his in between paper routes yeah you know how that goes you know that goes paper routes hey you know what paper routes a decent gig for a kid but the ends just don't meet it's an honest living but it's not much of a living you gotta suck some dick

around lunchtime that's how it works that's how i came up jimmy you every every kid that had a paper route that's you trickle it on the side you trickle it on the side. I'll pay in your dues. You trickle it on the side. You know what I mean? Jesus Christ. Are you fucking kidding me? What an asshole. How do you sit in front of a jury and actually say that? Well, that's what he said in the confession.

But he's got to say that shit to a jury now. Oh, yeah, yeah. Well, it's being read. This was his way of trying to mitigate it. I was upset that he was doing this. Can you guys believe it? No. Nobody can believe shit.

The police testified that he gave the statement willingly and without even any prior questioning. They said he just fucking told us all this. He said only after he confessed did he start asking follow-up questions. So, wow. This is his defense that's insanity his defense is that you know i didn't want him to uh do that what a story and then he tried to get money from me so you know he had to go uh so the disco that's that's his defense so it goes to the jury they deliberate for an hour and 20 minutes which is just long enough to fill out the paperwork. Now, this was after three days of testimony.

This is a three-day trial. They find him surprisingly guilty of first-degree murder of young Daniel Collins here. First-degree murder. And the jury also recommends no mercy for him. They do not recommend. They can recommend mercy or not recommend mercy. And they specifically do not no mercy for him. Nothing. They do not recommend. They can recommend mercy or not recommend mercy, and they specifically do not recommend mercy for him. And funny, the judge doesn't have much sympathy for him either,

and he is sentenced. You, sir, may fuck off. Life in prison with no parole. So he's done. No parole there. Now he's got a kidnapping trial, too, for those other four kids, and this shit gets real wild around now. Really? There got a kidnapping trial too right for those other four kids and this shit gets real wild around now uh there's a kidnapping trial here uh starts in april 3rd 1972 so it's he gets it stacks him right up yeah he's sentenced in march of 72 to life without parole and they go

all right get your ass back in the seat we're gonna we're gonna just grill you again yeah which is great just fucking run this guy they should have a trial every year for this guy west virginia has a death penalty right making sure you're still an asshole just making sure in 71 i'm not sure okay in 71 they might not have had the death penalty i just wonder because that's not that that option for the jury uh kind of ruins a death penalty argument when they can say mercy or no mercy like that that's like everybody just put your thumbs up sideways that's the thing put them down if you're yeah what is that that's it's a weird thing that's all they can do is they can't it's not like a sentencing recommendation like they can say you know he can either be sentenced to life in prison or death and they say well we

want life like in most things this is just mercy or no mercy that is a banana's way of phrasing it basically do you like him besides what he did or not? Do you think he's a piece of shit because of what he did? Let's find out. April 3rd, 1972, trial starts. Now, Mullins, he was the victim of most of this damage. He was the one who was assaulted in the street. He was 15 years old at the time of the trial.

He and Plumlee, who was 13 at the time, identified Sly as the driver of the car, a person who kidnapped them and did everything else to them. Now, Triplett was one of the other two boys. He identified Sly as the driver of the car, but he was let out of his house before any of this ever happened. Now, the fourth kid at the car could not identify sly roberts he's sitting in the back he couldn't well he was sitting in the back it was dark it was a year ago i mean he might have looked at him and went i don't fucking remember if that's him or not i honestly can't say i mean if you're being honest and you go i honestly can't place that in my head right if you're a kid too also 13 to are different. This beard took me four months to grow.

A year later, forget it. I could be an entirely different man. Yeah, who knows? Who the fuck knows? So he said he couldn't identify him as the driver. He just didn't know. He just was unsure. So at the conclusion of the trial, he, Sly, moves to strike the testimony of the in-court identifications by the three kids who

i did him okay wow uh the court says why the fuck would we do that right those are your victims and they just pointed and said you're the one who did it why would we tell them no because detrimental like you know it's not good for me that's what i'm getting at who was my argument that i wasn't there listen guys okay i'm working hard to present a case that says I didn't do this. Now, obviously. Now, the problem is when you bring in three children who are otherwise credible and you put them up on the stand. One of them who has had a vicious, horrible evening. Terrible, terrible night.

When you put them on the stand and they point to me in open court in front of the jury and say, that's the man who sodomized me and then tried to drown me in a creek. It doesn't look good for me. It just makes me feel to the jury like they look at me like I'm less than at that point. We'll put it that way. They look down on me. I feel persecuted. I am impressed that he's trying his best to get anything thrown out.

When even if this doesn't stick dude you've still got life without oh it doesn't matter it doesn't matter at all this is just technicality fun at this point this is just to give that kid some closure and just in case if for somehow later on his murder charge got thrown out well guess what asshole you're still there doesn't matter yeah uh so this is this is crazy so they say yeah no that stays in problem is at one stage during the trial trial the judge retires to his chambers to check the record concerning the previous testimony of a witness the judge did this out of the presence of the jury and out of the presence of the defendant sly on another occasion the trial judge and the prosecuting

attorney had a conversation concerning one of the instructions out of the presence of both the defendant and his counsel. Okay. Which you can't do. No. You can't. Everything has to be transparent. Right. Yeah.

Yeah. So this discussion took place in private in the chambers of the judge at his request during a power failure when the lights are out in the courtroom. Fucking West Virginia. I'm sorry. Get a fucking generator. It's a courtroom. Right. his request during a power failure when the lights are out in the courtroom fucking west virginia i'm sorry get a fucking generator it's a courtroom right one building needs a fucking two your hospital your goddamn courtroom put a fucking generator outside are you kidding me you're stopping in the middle of a trial of a guy who kidnapped and fucking raped children zero interruptions you got the lights are out hold on everybody light some candles and you know tell stories for a while my room have a drink come on let's go for you you know there was a drink poured in that god damn of course so uh yeah this discussion took

place at that point uh so uh uh when uh when the final judgment uh comes later on uh sly puts a motion in to get rid of the judgment and get a new trial because of those reasons and to throw out the conviction. And they say, no, no, no, no. I don't think so. That's not enough. And instead, the judge has to sentence him because he's found guilty. Obviously, it helps when the kids are pointing at you and they tell him, you, sir, want to go fuck off again for another life without parole wow eat massive dicks just keep you can get life without for that keep fucking off oh wait no no this one

might be with but they don't they don't say okay the jury did not recommend mercy okay probably life without probably life without i think if you attempt to kill a kid after you sodomize them in the street into kidnapping then we can give you life. I think so, too. That's fine. That's as good as killing someone. May as well. You tried.

And you're gonna. Again, if we let you go, you're gonna kill someone else, obviously. So, uh... Just that kid being alive is not because of him. You know what I mean? Shit, no. It's because that kid had the wherewithal to grab a fucking rock. That kid had a goddamn... Yeah, he was reaching out for...

It's the only reason he's still alive. He would be dead, and his friend would be dead, too this would be there would be three murders they'd be talking about they weren't he wasn't going to then take the plumbly kid to denny's no afterwards like that kid was going to die too in the trunk everyone was everyone was going to die i think it's clear i still it's so strange i i'm honestly surprised he let that kid go i'm surprised he let that go i mean just just it's a sober decision but still soberism as fuck i'm sure that as soon as that kid got up and ran and he got his wits back about him sobriety rushed right the hell over him imagine sly's drive home from that oh boy imagine how what the cauldron of insanity, of paranoia.

Screaming in that car. Of everything. He must have been going, what the fuck, man? You can't mess up any worse than that. Looking down at his own dick going, that'll never get hard again. This is over. I don't understand. He let the kid go, but the other two kids he let out, they already saw him with them.

So it didn't matter. You were going to kill them after you've already been seen with that's a good point it doesn't make sense your your plan is already fucked as soon as you drop two kids off i guess the other two kids disappeared they happen to be friends i mean i guess it's plausible that because he could say i don't know i dropped them off outside their fucking house like i did the other like i did the other two and i don't know maybe they disappeared i have no idea i guess there's that but still it's just odd that he was just like get the hell out of here. You can tell that was a decision that he was like, I'm going to pop this truck.

I'm either going to choke this kid or I'm going to tell him to get the hell out of here. So, yeah, he gets another life sentence there, which I'm not upset about. No. Be honest with you. So July 23rd, 1973, he this is when he starts with his appeals and he's trying to get the kidnapping case is the one he's really trying hard to appeal with. The court grants him

a writ of error on February 18th, 1975. The case is submitted to be for an appeal. So he's got an appeal based on some errors here. And also in the collins murder he requests a new trial okay he requests a new trial he asked that they throw out the first

degree murder conviction uh from last year uh which i don't know what it's amazing that he's saying i have an idea this is balls yeah he's saying that there was several errors made by authorities following his arrest on june 28th 1971 sly's attorney said that he was not informed of his constitutional rights was held without arraignment and privilege of posting bond and the murder warrant against sly was only sworn out after a confession was extracted from him by police because he was already in custody when you already have someone in custody you don't you're not in a big rush because you already have them there the whole point of why they're trying to interrogate someone in a room and trying to get him to admit it on the spot is because once they walk out that fucking door you might not get him

back in that room again they might call a lawyer they might he's already fucking done and the other thing is if you don't have him charged if you don't have enough evidence and you can't charge him you only have a certain amount of time to get something on them you're trying to get on them right so he's with this but this is they've got evidence he's in for kidnapping that's done so we have all the time in the world to talk to you and they don't need to charge him before a confession they can charge him before a confession after confession they can charge him whatever the fuck they feel like it that's not custody that's not part of the law yeah he's yeah that's what's ridiculous that he was held without arraignment they're saying which he wasn't arrested

yet but he was already in custody on something else and held without uh without the privilege of posting bond well you wouldn't have it's ridiculous it's stupid uh so they try to they try to do that uh the state Supreme Court, he gets denied there. So he tries again, goes back to the state Supreme Court, and they deny him again. Another petition for a retrial, and they say no. But his appeal of kidnapping is another story. He has an appeal of the kidnapping case. There's errors assigned by him.

They're as follows here. Trial court, he he says erred in over ruling uh his motion to get the indictment thrown out they said that it was founded upon an illegally obtained statement from him at the in the police interrogation without uh without affording him a preliminary hearing to upset they said he didn't charge him and let him know he was charged before he confessed uh also they're saying the trial court erred in denying his motion to strike the identification testimony because identifications by the state's witnesses were based on alleged by the on an alleged tainted show up that's when they brought the kids in the interrogation room

and said is this the asshole uh they're saying that that was tainted because they said he was the only suspect present which that's why there's no lineup it was this guy and a bunch of uniformed police officers so he looked more like a whatever that's that that's why you have lineups that's that's legitimate but the way they did it who cares

they also say that they is another thing about the joinder of multiple felonies. And this is really shit that you don't care about. The trial court also number four here committed reversible error, he says, by discussing matters pertaining to the trial with attorneys out of the presence of the defendant. That's the one that's that's that's sticky. That's sticky. That's the one that's sticky.

That's sticky. The trial court also erred in giving instruction offered by the state over the objection of the defendant on the ground that it improperly dealt with punishment relating to the crime of kidnapping and also that they refused to give an instruction relating to the attempted murder indictment. It's a real technical. But it only takes one of these things, right? Technicality. Well, it depends on how much weight they have, because some of them are some of them are harmless error. Some of them will say we find error, but it's not it's not anything. Wouldn't change the outcome.

Wouldn't change the outcome. Not reversible error. That sort of shit. So they talk about the first assignment of error here. They said that the statement appears to have been obtained after the defendant had been warned of his constitutional rights and it was voluntarily given uh however even if it were illegally obtained there would not have been good grounds for quashing the indictment the principle is clearly stated in this case they talk about a motion or prayer to quash an indictment contained in a plea uh in a plea in an abatement with the allegation that no legal evidence was introduced before the grand jury is not good grounds for quashing an indictment.

That means fuck you, asshole. Eat dicks. Yeah, eat dicks to the coal mines with you. That's what they should sentence him to. That would be wonderful. Canary duty. Yeah. You just go down and test the coal mines down there.

You sit in a cage down there. Oh, boy. You might survive for years. It's possible. It could be great. down there you might survive for years it's possible it could be great uh also they he says that uh uh the court answers him on the second one and says that uh the in-court identification testimony of the state's witnesses that he says was tainted based on the one-to-one show up they say it is true that where an accused is identified at a show up at a police station it could be the

result of a suggestive atmosphere and once a witness has identified the accused at the show up he is not prone to change his opinion which is true uh thus evidence should be scrutinized with care and then they talk about how in this case uh they said uh had basically that uh in in the case that this is so hard to fucking explain it's legal horseshit it's legal fucking horseshit. In every little detail. Okay. Let's say there's 100 little details. Okay. 97 of these details he might have right.

But the three that he has wrong in this particular case are the three that are most important. So it counts anyway, is what they're saying. And they go through this whole list of the 100 fucking details that I am not going to read to you guys. Because for the love of Christ, we got to get this over with eventually and it's fucking boring and the end of this thing is so bonkers that you're gonna need to hear it oh boy and get away from this so uh yes so they said uh on this one of the state's witnesses paul roberts stated on direct examination that he'd never seen the defendant before and the court instructed the jury not to consider his evidence that's a weird thing too

yeah they said don't consider that yeah that's just a mistake on his part or something that guy's never seen him before but he was a witness to the kidnapping or yeah he was one of the kids oh jesus that's a that's kind of that's a big one that's a staple that's a staple that's that's something he should have yeah that should have been allowed uh the other witnesses testified that they id'd him as the driver of the car who picked him up, and their identification was independent from the show-up ID, which was only a few days after the crime was committed. So they're saying, we've all seen him, we saw him in court again, and we still think that. Number three, they say there's no merit in the third assignment of error that the court erred in denying his motion to quash the indictment because of the multiple charges. Nobody cares about that.

Fourth indictment was, that's the big one, pertaining to the matters conducted out of the presence of the defendant during the trial. They said, this presents a serious question. Apparently, this occurred twice during the course of the trial. The first instance occurred when the court and counsel for both the state and the defendant went into the judge's chambers without the defendant, at least he's represented, and had part of the record reread in order to ascertain whether his counsel was misquoting the evidence. That's what that was about, an evidence. It was about to check a transcript.

No ruling was made by the court which would affect the defendant in any manner during this time, and the court and counsel returned to the courtroom and proceeded with the case. Now, the second instance of this is an entirely different issue, they said. It appears that on the second occasion, the judge and prosecuting attorney, in the absence of the defendant and his attorney, retired to the judge's chambers and discussed matters involving an instruction. The trial court, in answering a query of the defendant's counsel, in effect admitted this discussion, as indicated in the documents, had taken place in his chambers. This occurrence would appear to be more prejudicial than another precedent case that they cite. Neither the defendant nor his attorney was present when the discussion with regard to instruction took place.

This would amount to prejudicial error in the case at bar and constitutes reversible error five and six of his statements have no merit they said he can fuck off but their decision is in as much as it appears that the prejudicial error was committed by the trial court when a discussion was held and with the prosecuting attorney out of the presence of the defendant and his attorney uh the judgment of the circuit court of lincoln county is reversed the verdict of the jury is set aside and a new trial is awarded to the defendant oh boy so uh new trial in the kidnapping he's completely fucking free to clear on those kidnapping but he's guilty of murder set aside oh that Oh, that's, yeah, life without parole. And he's had two appeals where they said, fuck off on both of them.

Okay. So 1981, he sues the state. Oh, boy. 1981, he's in prison and he sues the state. He alleges that on June 4th, 1981, correctional officers that were acting pursuant to the warden's instructions conducted a search of their cells yeah they said that the search was not routine and that they were not present when

it was executed as a result of the search apparently they claimed that uh that the uh the guards seized some of these people's these inmates court papers in this which they're not allowed to see his court papers obviously uh they said apparently specifically they seized maps of the penitentiary penitentiary or the fucking jail i don't know why that came out so weird jesus maps of the shithole which indicated the locations where state police officers were posted during a shakedown in november of 1979 and a copy of the procedures utilized by the state police and the correctional officers during the shakedown so they have that for a lawsuit oh they're saying they're saying they had this information for a lawsuit and they're taking it and they needed to have that but they're saying you can't have a like a fucking blueprint of the

prison where all the fucking guards hang out that looks like you're planning an escape yeah so they both have a point here yeah uh basically they said uh the they alleged that the that these prison guards were personally present when other corrections officers executed the search and seizure they uh claim that they uh the bosses of these guards instructed instructed them to search everything in the cells, including documents which were clearly identifiable as court papers. They further alleged that they took possession of the seized court papers. And later on that day, they tried to, I guess, get the court papers back. And they were informed that the documents were not going back to them. It's a long story, but basically they had to request them through the West Virginia Attorney General's office that they be returned.

And the prison ended up not adhering to the judgment of the Attorney General and didn't give it back. not adhering to the judgment of the attorney general and didn't give it back uh so the next day the uh they were the prisoners were asked by the by the state if they were given their documents back and uh so they weren't so the prisoners said can we just have them photocopied yeah we just need a copy of this shit you're gonna have them too yeah but the i i guess i guess that was when the when they took them they said well can we at least have photocopies and uh i guess the prison guards refused to give them permission to get copies of it uh they said that they this is fucking nuts here uh they said that they wouldn't the the prison kept telling them that they wouldn't been returned to them they won't be returned to you you're not you're not going to have your shit returned to you uh so apparently

they're fighting back and forth and eventually the prisoners get their court documents back but it takes like a year of fighting unbelievable and even though the attorney general's office uh advised the prison that these the plaintiffs were entitled to their court documents they still weren't given the documents until it was going on with this prison it's fucking nuts this prison is uh they have a lot of problems oh i'm sure they do and the prison conditions at the moundville moundsville is fucking bi it's awful is it privatized it's it's it's i don't know if it's privatized but it is the biggest shithole in the world really i mean people who are like not prison advocates you know are saying you can't keep human beings in these

conditions it's that sort of place guantanamo bay it's way worse than that it's fucking it's disgusting it's falling apart it's a it's a mess like it's it's the environment is unhealthy just they should be happy about that if it keeps going the way it is you're gonna be on the outside so yeah yeah the wall crumble and you just walk right out so i mean yeah it's apparently a terrible place this moundsville prison and there's all sorts of uh all sorts of lawsuits from prisoners to the state over this period in the early 80s there's a bunch of minor kind of uprisings in the prison where they want better conditions and uh this happens multiple times and i read back all the way to the early 70s this was going on like every couple

years they have a little like little riot uprising in this prison because the conditions are so fucking bad wow the food the the the sanitary conditions it's worse than county they said you they said you would get a guy said in the 80s they talked to somebody uh from the state who wasn't like a you know it wasn't a wasn't any guy trying to get prisoners better conditions, and he said it would be illegal to keep animals in those conditions. Really? He said you would 100% be arrested for keeping animals in those conditions. You can't keep anything alive in those conditions.

That's fascinating. But you can keep people in those conditions. Right. As long as they've done certain things. As long as they've done certain things. So in Januaryuary 1986 this all comes to a head and there's a huge prison riot yeah in moundsville uh big prison riot and it's it's a fucking it is a mess i mean they take guards as hostages oh no it's one of those okay

where they have it's not just you know we we took two cells and we're not coming out it's they took guards hostages took over the prison uh you, broke windows and did all that shit. I've seen videos of that shit. It is terrifying. Nothing more terrifying than a prison riot. Those are people that have nothing to lose and they show it. These are people that we don't want mixing in with one of them mixing in with a bunch of society. Let's just say 9,999 parts normal people right one part

fucking insane criminal we don't want those parts mixing right this is all of them and they're in charge together that's oh boy this is like it becomes crazy island and fucking you know the craziest becomes king of the crazy island basically it's very frightening because that's the uh the there's an hbo documentary about the prison riot i've seen one uh it's not necessarily a prison right it's just a documentary about that dude from vegas that's a white supremacist yeah yeah stabbed up the black guy and then he like that was during a riot yeah that's what i mean that's that's why they do it half the time horrifying as soon as a riot breaks out anybody who's an undesirable or whose people don't like they start stabbing start happening. This is the time to fucking.

Yeah. No one's watching. So it's not even everybody's watching. They just can't do shit about it. Yeah. There's nothing they can do. No. Well, they had a huge prison riot here.

And like I said, January of 1986, they got walkie talkies. They took from the guards from the captive guards. So then they had communications. The prisoners around it. They broadcast repeated assurances, the prisoners did, that nobody would be hurt, but they threatened to, they did threaten to

kill the guard hostages if the police moved in, obviously. That's why they have hostages. There's no other reason to have hostages than to threaten to kill them. So they ended up releasing three of the captives of the staff and the guards because they had medical problems uh so they released them for medical reasons to try to you know as a good

goodwill gesture like hey you got to release fucking johnson and this guy and that guy that guy's dude's got diabetes he needs his insulin this one's got a heart condition whatever so they let three of the people go it's like con air it's like con exactly like con air so uh the first hostage was a guard with a heart condition he was released shortly into that and taken to a hospital uh the second hostage was a guy named edward little uh he was freed in 540 in the morning here he was hospitalized with minor injuries including possibly a broken arm uh according to according to state police dispatcher corporal pat glasscock the glasscocks there's a relation there is absolutely you know he's proud

too he's like you know my great great great granddaddy was governor of this shithole you know that he used to run this show he used to run this whole place and now i'm a fucking dispatcher i'm a dispatcher it's better than getting trying to quell a minor revolter i guess but jesus christ uh so uh he was freed shortly afternoon for whatever i don't know he's got a glass cock that's his condition they freed him for which is hilarious because petra gallo is stonecock yeah it's the opposite of glass cock you are the winner there i win win, Glasscock. You will break his Glasscock. Take that.

Let's go, motherfucker. He's sitting on the mayor's mansion balcony with his Glasscock, and you just push him over it. Pathetic. And then drop your pants. That's right. Admire this, sir. As he hears it hit.

Thunks on the wooden railing. That's ridiculous and funny but yes old glass cock here he can't do that because there's a shatter shatter it is fragile it's very fragile so uh tons of reporters are there obviously prison riots a big deal people are very interested in that uh finally around midnight of this whole uh ordeal uh uh or i sorry, mid-afternoon of the next day after the fighting had broken out, the rioting, there was announcement of an agreement which the inmates were granted two of their demands.

One was amnesty for their roles in the takeover. That's always the first thing. Like, hey, let's all forget this ever happened, number one. First of all. First things first, this never happened. This never happened, okay? we're both at fault here a little column a little column b right okay you guys were weak we took it over call it a call it a day right you're sleeping you know you're fucking you were slipping and sleeping and you

didn't deserve this you were creeping you know you slept on us that's how it goes also a meeting with the governor that's what they want they want a meeting with the governor to discuss their problems and they want amnesty for the role in the takeover those are the two demands that's what they negotiated to their union uh yes very much uh inmate spokesman alvin gregory said quote all we want is to be treated like human beings uh and then uh he's the spokesman so he's the most dangerous he's the most dangerous or he's the spokesman. So he's the most dangerous. He's the most dangerous. Or he's like the been in there and he like who the fuck knows he could. They said he speaks the best, you know, for whatever reason in prison. Yeah, exactly. Maybe he's like journeyman kind of prison lawyer type guy.

So one of the guards held hostage by rioting prisoners was forced to watch as uh a group of inmates while cheering and acting like they were fucking winning the super bowl carved up another inmate uh uh here uh carved up one inmate accused of being a snitch and then another inmate who was a fucking child molesting asshole who tried to bury a son of a bitch and fucking poor kid in a shallow fucking creek. They carved him up. They carved him up good. It was called the guard who saw it said that they butchered him quote unquote.

They made the guard watch this one guard said quote they made him watch they put on a show for him. Oh boy. This was not a slow death. No this was um wait wait Sly's death. Not a slow one. No. This was Sly's death. Okay. Not a slow one. Yeah. They got Kent Sly, these other inmates, and they fucking had their way with him.

They just opened him. They found his body eventually. It was dragged up. After they killed him, it was dragged up and down the cell block. Wow. Like fucking Mussolini through the streets as other prisoners kicked and spit on his body and fucking did whatever. Holy shit. Yes.

The guards who saw this were being treated in the hospital for anxiety reactions and post-traumatic stress. They tortured this guy in front of them. Oh, boy. Yeah, it was bad. Sixteen hostages were seized in all of this whole thing. It's a 120-year-old prison. So that tells you right there. They held it for three days.

They killed three inmates, but they really killed Sly. Sly was the one they had a ball with. They killed him twice. The governor said that officials believe a group of inmates acted as, quote, judge, jury, and executioner in these other people. The corrections department prohibits officers from speaking to reporters. Several agreed to speak under anonymity. And they said that they all witnessed the deaths of Sly and Atkinson, who was the other the other inmate they killed, who was convicted of murdering a pregnant

woman. Oh, Jesus. So, yeah, they got a little revenge. They got some good candidates for it. Yeah, they do. They said Atkinson's murder was seen by a guard who had tilted his head back so he could peer out from behind a blindfold. And the corrections officer said that the inmates cut out Atkinson's heart.

Oh, boy. Yes. Quote, he saw blood all over. Then he heard one guy say, it's amazing how this little thing will keep a fellow alive. Then another one says, well, it won't keep him alive anymore. Not out here. It won't do it from here. Yes.

Not with this. That's when he said, that's when the officer told them that, quote, they butchered Jeff and then carried his heart and guts all over. Jesus. So they took his insides and carried it up and down the cell block. They said he'd been a prison informer and supplied information that foiled several plans to smuggle drugs and weapons into the prison. information that foiled several plans to smuggle drugs and weapons into the prison uh the guards but they said the uh the the states finally the medical examiner uh checked out sly sly had been wow let's let's start yeah he'd been stabbed and strangled and beaten and burned with cigarettes and anything else you could name he eventually is stabbed over uh 18 times that

they could that they could figure out uh they said that they couldn't tell they couldn't tell basically what uh like how many times he was hit in the head because it was one giant one giant swollen it was one big blow they said basically like the blows were so many that it just all came together in one big blow uh he had his throat cut twice they cut his throat twice and then ended up dying of stab wounds in the chest jesus so they were cutting his throat not enough to they were torturing him slowly they were fucking torturing him and then pulling him up and down and letting everybody have their way with this guy so last week everybody was very upset that a guy that might not have deserved it got the death penalty from the state

and this week you can say this fucking asshole got exactly what he fucking deserved he did uh this is what i mean the state didn't kill him no uh people and i'm not for vigilante justice or anything like that but if you're in prison with a bunch of bad motherfuckers yeah and then you're trying to game the system based on technicalities and they're fine and they know what you did and what you did is considered particularly disgusting to the worst people yeah you're on your fucking own at that point you know how you can avoid that not fucking kids yeah or killing them yeah that's a avoid that every goddamn time. Or pregnant women. That works, too.

Yeah, it's funny. No one, I've never been to prison, and while never being there, no one ever tried to stab me and torture me. Know why? I don't fuck kids. At all. It's really cool. It keeps you out of a lot of trouble, let's just say. Damn good point.

What the fuck, man? So the prison is being sued for this? No, no, no. This was later on this was this was 80 81 was the conditions and the court paper seizures uh 86 was the riot where it all yeah that it seemed like in this shit it seemed like they rioted yeah so out of this they ended up getting a meeting with the governor and hopefully maybe some better conditions and they got rid of the prisoners they hated the most a few a few dirt bags think about that he's been in jail for at this point like 12 years more than that 14 14 years

he's been in jail for 14 years and they finally these guys probably wanted to kill him the whole fucking time you know they did yeah you know they just got the excuse by having the opportunity and means finally went oh guess what we're gonna kill this guy right and out of everyone in prison you were picked out as the you're the worst you and you that tells you how bad you are that tells you how all of us you and you can't hang with the rest of our scumbag asses all the all the scumbags collectively agree that you're worse than us all of us motherfuckers so yeah that uh that's the case of kent sly my word i had i tried to find a case a um i try to find as many cases as i can that aren't like husband wife wife husband

because her boyfriend girlfriend girlfriend husband girlfriend boyfriend a bit monotonous well that's i mean well you want to mix it up those are the most common so you mean you could do a show with just those and only those so you know you try to break them up and something different and last week was different and uh this is happy when the boogeyman goes down yeah yeah that's what i mean and last week we nobody was thrilled like i said people who love the death penalty were upset with last week's execution it was frustrating because it was it was clearly one where you go that's not an execution case and uh they did it anyway and that made death penalty proponent people say when they do shit like that, it makes

people hate the death penalty. That's what they got to stop doing. And yeah. And then people who hate the death penalty obviously really hated that case because it was possibly not even intentional murder. And in this case, I mean, the jury did say no mercy. They did say, we recommend no mercy. And the prisoner said,

we second that recommendation. We abide! Okay. We got you covered. Jesus. Loud and clear. Yeah. And like I said, I'm not for vigilante justice or anything like that, but you know what, man? I have a 12-year-old son, and if somebody raped and killed him, I would

happily cut his throat twice and stab him 18 times in the fucking chest. No i like to say i get it how fragile a heart is yeah that's what i want to hold it for that sort of thing for for fucking killing and especially in that way being that big of a just reprehensible piece of human fucking shit sorry man and not only that it wasn't a one-time thing he was actively doing it more he was willing to do it at least three he yeah he and he was getting balls here then at first it was one kid with a paper route now i'll take four drop two off i can handle two of them what the fuck is going on and what would even this escalated to if he wasn't caught so you know what fuck this guy

i don't care about him at all that's that's dun, West Virginia. I got nothing. This guy can eat dicks as far as I'm concerned. Sorry. No habla. No habla. I don't know. No a speaker. No speaking. Nothing.

I got nothing for you. So stay away from Dunbar, West Virginia. And that is Dunbar, West Virginia. And that is a crazy case of Kent Lemoine, Sly, and poor Daniel Collins, and Plumlee, and all the other ones. So many of them. That's a bad one, man. If you like that show, you sick bastards,

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it changes ours for sure. It definitely changes our lives and allows us to bring you a better show, quite honestly, too, because we can concentrate on this shit and not have to worry. Shit can be bought. Shit can be bought.

We have a studio and all that sort of thing. But, Jimmy, why don't you tell us, tell us the list of these goddamn heroic son of a bitch. People, no. Yeah, you know what, goddammit? People are bullshit with their goddamn heroes. People are, oh, look at, look, astronauts landed on the moon. Isn't that great?

That's terrific. Good for you. It's a career. Hey, good for you, asshole. Tell you what, I want to hear about these heroes, the people that affect my life on a daily basis. Hit me with it, Jimmy. This week's executive producers are Jamie Core, Emily Wilkins,

Kenan Eisenbart, Jacqueline Hall, Megan Hasek-Watts, E-Bitch from P-Town, and Mike Mike. Thank you guys for everything you do for us. Thank you. You guys are fucking incredible. The life's blood, guys. We appreciate you. Thank you. Other producers this week are Brendan Ables, Ashley Lavati, Leslie with no last name, Logan Klein,ames martyr elaine decost uh jesse hartman steve

to uh touch to trello to trello uh to trello i don't know i think that's right it's italian right yeah yeah yeah that's how it looks right it's fanatic italian names to trello or to trello there's no there's no consonant between the ch and the r but it's probably touch to trello right yeah yeah to trello or do you pronounce the ch to ch i don't know just however it doesn't matter There's no consonant between the C-H and the R, but it's probably Tuttrello, right? Yeah, Tuttrello. Or do you pronounce the Ch-a? Two Ch-a. I don't know. Just however it looks.

It doesn't matter. Stevie Tuttrello. It's easy. Thanks. Hey, Stevie. Reagan Shalkley. Thanks, Reagan. Anne Bradley.

Martina in San Francisco. Gina Miller. Aaron Ishiak. I always fuck that one up. But he's always coming around. That's nice of him. Thank you, Aaron. Shit.

Jennifer Roberts. Craig Ventura. Owen Earp, like Wyatt, Lauren Hoosier, and her grim Karen mortician husband. Shit, yeah. Apparently, we made her grim Karen mortician husband laugh, and I guess that's a difficult thing to do. Sweetly, he's a mortician. Yeah, they don't smile much. Fuck yeah.

We did it. Good job. Way to hang in there and look for the funny. Thank you. Thank you. May Lee Elliott, there and look for the funny. Thank you. Thank you. May Lee Elliott, Liz Moy, Hannah Turley. Oh, never mind. Say again?

No, it's not May Lee. I said May Lee. In my mind, I heard Hay Lee. I've been fucking Hayman Lee. I'm like, what? Hey, Lee. What? Too much fucking Adnan documentary.

Sorry. Go ahead. Hannah Turley, John Genova, Alison Morris, Teague Tyga, Shornack. Shornack. Yes. Rachel Stora, Owen Connolly, Justin Miller, Nicole Turner, CHD Accounting. That's Crystal Harris Dancer, CPA. Well, thank you.

It's tax season. Yeah. Call up Crystal Harris Dancer. Hit her up. At CHD Accounting. I believe thating.com. I think that was right. I didn't write the dot.

You just Google the accounting firm and they'll find her. Casey Pennington, Jesse Lortz, Andrea Samples, happy birthday from Amy Fugate. Was Fugate a name of... Fugate was the small town murderer last week. I wonder if Amy's got some explaining to do. Oh boy.

Sarah Kula, TJ McCJ. McCollum. Nick Antala Alderman. Justine Hartigan. Norman Sather. Kristen B. Wade Colon. Or Colon. Or Colon.

Colon. Colon, probably. John. Probably not Colon, I assume. Well, I don't know. Maybe. Bartolo Colon, I feel like. That's a cool way of saying it.

Probably. Colon. Z. No last name or name at all uh john colin colinowski uh thomas smith sounds like a procedure it does i'm having a colonowski i'm really scared jimmy they gave me this weird shit to drink hold your hand sorry you're gonna be shitting all day it's all day you know what my life is and then the colon guy behind him it's a fucking mess michael haven sylvia c uh aaron

nesseth adam miller sarah faxton cassandra scanlon zin zin yan lu so zin yan lu uh says her real name's emily i don't know which one it is uh okay whatever it is emily thank you appreciate you and janice hill thank you guys so much thank you everybody thank you corporals captains jesus every other goddamn everyone hero name yeah you guys really are the best thank you we cannot thank you enough and we say it all the time because we mean it honestly that's the only reason why we say it and jimmy what if they wanted to thank you or tell you bad things how could they do that you can do both at wisman sucks whisman sucks on twitter instagram and snap to thank you or tell you bad things? How could they do that? You can do both. At Wisman Sucks, W-H-I-S-M-A-N Sucks on Twitter, Instagram, and Snapchat.

Thank you guys for everything that you send me. Where can they tell you? You can find me at Jimmy P is funny, or you can copy and paste my last name from the show description and look me up that way. You don't want to try to spell my first and last name. It's going to be a disaster. Do that. Follow me if you feel like it.

Like I said, I won't bother you too much either. So get on there. Google Translate Stonecock. That's all. Yeah, do that follow me if you feel like it like i said i won't bother you too much either so get on there and google translate stonecock that's all yeah do that oh jesus so with that said everybody thank you for joining us again and uh for some street justice this week or at least some prison justice yeah until next week everybody it's been our pleasure Our pleasure. Bye. Hey, Prime members, you can listen to Small Town Murder early and ad-free on Amazon Music. Download the Amazon Music app today. Or you can listen early and ad-free with Wondery Plus and Apple Podcasts. Before you go, tell us about yourself by completing a short survey at wondery.com slash survey.