Small Town Murder - #124 - Saving It For Later in Townville, South Carolina

Episode Date: June 20, 2019

This week, in Townville, South Carolina, police are surprised when a man comes into the station, covered in blood, and claiming to have just killed three people in a remote area. The biggest surprise is his claim of self defense, and the twisted tale that says lead up to the deaths. This one goes all over the place, before settling on a meth fueled, septic tank fixing tirade that left three dead. Just when you think this one is over... More crazy pops up, seemingly from thin air!!Along the way, we find out meth makes you not be able to fix things, that some people just may wear condoms with the expectation of later usage, and that some situations don't lend themselves well to claims of self defense!!Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman New episodes every Thursday! Donate at: patreon.com/crimeinsports or go to paypal.com & use our email: [e-mail] Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder & Crime In Sports! Follow us on... twitter.com/@murdersmall facebook.com/smalltownpod instagram.com/smalltownmurder Also, check out James & Jimmie's other show, Crime In Sports! On iTunes, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Wondery Plus subscribers can listen to Small Town Murder early and ad-free right now. Join Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts. What if you married the love of your life and then stood by them as they developed 21 new identities? What would you do? This Is Actually Happening is a weekly podcast that features extraordinary true stories of life-changing events told by the people who lived them. Listen to the newest season of This Is Actually Happening on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. This week in Townville, South Carolina, a weekend party binge between a new group of friends turns ugly when three people are found brutally murdered in a remote field. Welcome to Small Town Murder. hello everybody and welcome back to small town murder yay yay indeed jimmy yay indeed my name

is james petra gallo i'm here with my co-host i am jimmy wissman thank you folks so much for joining us again this week we are psyched we have a crazy good god this is an insane episode again this week there we've been pulling them out of the woodwork the wild ones and they're all here uh thank you guys for tuning in we're gonna have a blast in case you didn't hear it last week tickets for charlotte are on sale now shut up and give me murder.. You can go there and get all your tickets for all your live shows. But Charlotte is finally on sale. So you guys can get all your tickets to Charlotte. That is going to be fun. It's September 27th.

So do that. Get there. Have a good time. Otherwise, we're going to skip over some of the stuff in the beginning. We'll put it at the end. Just quick because it's kind of a beefy story today. And so we'll do that. Just quickly, a thank you to all our producers, obviously. just quick because it's a kind of a beefy story today right and so we'll do that just quickly uh

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The story's real. It's just as real as Dateline or anything else. But rather than, and then he cut her head off. And it's a little bleak for us. So we're going to have some fun with it like we always do we are comedians so we're gonna make fun of small towns and murderers and idiots around that do crazy shit around crimes it's a lot of them yeah because it's not yeah obviously someone being murdered isn't exactly that part's not funny but everything around it a lot of times is pretty goddamn funny so we're gonna do that if that sounds good to you

you're in the right place uh because one thing we try not to do is we go out of our way to avoid making fun of the victim or the victim's family because we're assholes but we're not scumbags that's the way that works so if that sounds good to you you're in the right place if you think true crime and comedy should never go together you should go check dateline out because i'm sure it's great i'm sure it's going to be won't be as fun as fun, but it'll be, you know, it'll be, you'll get information, I guess. You'll get a story. For everybody else who wants to have a good time, we're going to do it right now.

Let's do it. Let's shout from the rooftops, out of your car window, from your treadmill, if you're on there. It doesn't matter wherever you are. Shout, shut up and give me murder. Let's do this. Yeah. Let's go on a trip, Jimmy. I'd love to.

What do you say? Let's get out of here. We were in Minnesota last week, and even though it's June, it's probably still white earth Minnesota. Yes. Why is it called white earth? I don't know, because it's covered in snow 10 and a half months out of the year, probably. It's white people covered in white snow.

That's what it is. Yeah. So this week, though, we're going to head down south as we always kind of switch up regions as we like to do here. We're going to head down south and we're going to go to South Carolina. Oh, yeah. We're going down deep south here, down into Townville, South Carolina, which is Townville. It sounds like a like a placeholder name.

I like it. We'll put we'll give it a name later right now it's a town townville we'll just slap that yeah it's two of them it's it's in parentheses like it's a total place working title it's big time suffixes yeah exactly other place in america we don't have a anything to name it after so it's a town in a ville of a town townville burg townville burg is there a field burg? Townvilleburg. Townvilleburg. Is there a fieldburg somewhere around this country? Field townvilleburg.

Field city. Ridiculous. It's ridiculous here. This place is in northwestern South Carolina. South Carolina is a triangle, the way it works, and the pointy part of it, you pick a pointy part and that's facing the inside and kind of cocked northwest a little bit. It's in there.

Basically, if South Carolina was a pan, this would be the nub that the handle would grow out of. It's the pan handle is where we are here. I'm going to say that would be a pan handle. It is so much fun to force a place to be a pan handle. You know what? If it was a pan, this is where you'd hold it. You wouldn't hold it on the big round end. You'd hold it over here. It's a good point. It's the handle, man.

It's hot. It's what it is. There's way more than just a couple of panhandles. Way more panhandles. It's about an hour and 45 minutes to Atlanta. So it's over there, you know, farther away from the, not near the ocean or anything like that. Hour 45 to Atlanta, where we will be doing a live show

at the Buckhead Theater September 29th, as a matter of fact. Yes. It's about two hours and 20 minutes to Charlotte, which tickets are on sale for right now. September 27th, we'll be there. It's funny, too. It just worked out that those are the cities that were there in a weekend,

the same weekend. So good. And it's about three hours and 50 minutes to James Island, which was episode 81. That's right. Our last South Carolina episode, which was episode 81. That's right. Our last South Carolina episode, which was from August of 2018. Holy shit. Yeah, 10 months here.

Almost a year since we've been to South Carolina. Is that the one with the bridge? Like, washed out? No. No, no, no. That was Peru. Yeah. Yeah.

Remember? Yeah. I don't know what I'm doing. Sorry. This town is in Anderson County. It's a little drop. It's another one of these towns where it's so rural that they're like, I don't know. The border's kind of just...

Some people say there's the border, and some people say there's the border. Pray tell, where the fuck is your border? What county are you in? They also, some places say a little drop of this town is in Oconee County. Oconee?. Oconee. I don't know how to say that. How do you spell it? O-C-O-N-E-E.

Okay. Yeah. I noticed you didn't jump in with a guess on that. You just, okay. Oconee. Move on. Let's pretend I didn't hear that. You thought you were going to have the pronunciation.

Oh, no. It's this. I was going to at least guess it. Yeah. And you went, oh, no. That's a panic room right there. Oh, yeah. Oh, no.

That's ugly. Exactly. That's what I thought, too. Oh, yeah. Oh, no. That's ugly. Exactly. That's what I thought, too. I'm like, I don't know how to say this. Just don't tweet me. I don't care. So zip code 29689, area code 864. It is an unincorporated community.

In other words, they just kind of bum off the county, I guess, or nearby towns if something's on fire. You know, so motto here is, quote, we aren't even a real town. You think we have a fucking motto? No, they don't have a motto. They have nothing. They can't even agree to pay for a fire department together. It's called fucking Townville. What do you expect?

Whatever. That's what our motto is. Looking for a town or a ville? We're both. We got you covered. Hey, come on in. Let's go. a town or a ville we're both we got you covered come on in let's go now history of this town uh we kind of have to do it's hard to do history of a town that was just kind of out there

the main history here comes from anderson which is right by there it's like 10 miles away that's kind of a bigger town it's not a big town but it's a a bigger town than this and kind of the center of Anderson County. So they keep more history there. This area was first settled by the Cherokee Native Americans, obviously. And during the American Revolution, the Cherokee sided with the British, which we've talked about before. And then after the American Revolutionary War, the Cherokee's land was then acquired as war reparations. And Colin, hell yeah, he says, hell yeah, give him those smallpox blankets. Yeah.

Hell yeah, wipe them out. March him to Oklahoma. That was the weirdest reaction to genocide I've ever heard in my fucking life. Ladies and gentlemen, literally, my partner Andrew Jackson. That's literally his policy i mean it's so it's so crazy how we'd fucking hide from that so much it's i know it's so funny it's it's not and if you bring it up people are like ah they just wave it off it's kind of a big deal it's kind of a big deal i don't know kind of like a chapter in our history. It's kind of fucked up.

It's maybe the darkest chapter in our history. It's pretty dark. It's pretty dark. I'm just saying, we put our hands on our hips and look at the Germans like, listen, guys. And then we're like, I don't know. Not quite the same. Not quite as organized. But, I mean, there wasn't, I don't know ibm wasn't making computers for the andrew jackson administration as opposed to the third reich so who knows shit wasn't in the air flying at the

time that happened i'm just saying we're not we're not you know making any big statement here we're just saying they come to fuck down when you look down on people people do shit we've done shitty shit and everyone has and uh especially us let's just say sometimes. So they were here and that's what ended up happening. In 1791, the South Carolina legislature, they made up this district that had Greenville, which is a city there, Anderson, Oconee, whatever the fuck that is, Oconee, Oconee, and Pickens County is all these different counties here. And the Washington, they called it the Washington District, and then they divided it up

even further. But no one thought to make this a town, to incorporate it. Let's write it down. What do you say? We'll write it down, we'll hand it to somebody, and we'll make sure we get our own. There are people here, we named it. Let's just fucking start paying taxes and get our own shit. And wait until we get to the population.

It's not like there's 12 people here either. Like, there's a good amount of people. Enough people where you need to organize yourselves better than this. It's not good here. The name Anderson is in honor of Robert Anderson, who was a Revolutionary War soldier. And he explored this region in the mid-18th century. And this is a, this is, there's mountains, there's lakes and tributaries and little rivers and water. We're doing river talk.

This is this is river talk, river talk with James and Jimmy. We're going to do lake talk today. All right. Tributary talk. Yeah, that's how it's going to go. So this is kind of a wilderness area. This is an area where people hunt and do shit like that and farm, as we'll talk about here. So in 1851, the Johnsonson female seminary which sounds disgusting

that i know it's not but it's the root word is semen that's what i mean johnson female seminary i feel like whoever johnson is he is putting his jizz all over these people and i don't like it his 1851 jizz too which is even grosser for some reason ghost jizz is what that is that seems stickier and it's just nasty yeah it's not going to be good they're eating too much syrup less water we know that it's not great i don't know if that has anything to do with it at all but i don't think it was common knowledge back then yeah that you needed eight glasses of water a day no no definitely not you got to imagine that shit's concrete that's probably yeah it's just coming out in a block and just a block falls out and breaks on the floor so uh it's what it is yeah it falls out of breaks it's like a piece of your

of your like if you had a paper mache mask on no shit the nose fell off it's like that so they make tire imprints out yeah yeah it works exactly one of those like they bring in the court so this town uh the college johnson female seminary the grossest college of the south was named after william johnson i don't know who that is but yeah yeah they named it after a guy and uh during the civil war johnson university was closed and converted into one of the confederate treasuries of course so yeah they were like them ladies don't need no school we don't know get get them out from underneath that roof we need to keep the bullets dry we're gonna count our fake money in here that we made up and it's worth nothing we made it up we put his picture on and i don't know we just

decided he was our leader now so but we're gonna keep it all in this building y'all learning you can take somewhere else. Yeah. And it will feel watch out for cannonballs and shit like that, though. You know, it's dangerous. So, yeah, after after the war, the union, there was a union garrison stationed here also. So this was like occupied territory after the war.

Now, Anderson became one of the first cities in the southeast to have electricity. Oh, it was a big deal. They called it Electric City. It was their claim to fame for like three months until everyone else got electricity. And then it was like, we're the electric place. Like, I have electricity in my fucking house, dude. And it's somewhere. Why would I come here?

We all have it now. What are you talking? That'd be like now, like, we're the city of flushing toilets. Okay, good for you. They got those in fucking Haiti. McDonald's has a flushing toilet I could use. It's not, you don't even have to pay anything. It's perfect.

So, yeah, it was William Wittner here with established electricity in this town in 1895. It was a hydroelectric plant on the Rocky River. River talk. Hell, yeah. River talk with James and Jimmy. My favorite. We all going to talk about rivers now. What's your favorite river? hydroelectric plant on the rocky river river talk hell yeah river talk with james and jimmy my favorite oh you know we all going to talk about rivers now what's your favorite right now i'm partial to the missouri that's true that's true i really like that snake i think it's fed from

the missouri it is true i'm sure it is it's a tributary from the missouri feeds on into the gulf of i don't know what the fuck i'm talking about it goes through idaho it goes on through idaho probably down into Utah. Up into the Northwest. I feel like British Columbia. It pops out like a river penis. Like a snake. And delivers its papier-mâché plaster of Paris jizz onto the ocean.

That's how it works. So disgusting. Thank you. This has been River Talk. Join us again next week. Now, so yeah, it was given the name The Electric City. Join us again next week. Now, so yeah, it was given the name the Electric City.

And this was also the first city in the world to supply a cotton gin by electricity. So they had an electric cotton gin here. They're like, we will make cotton goddamn faster than anybody. We don't. You know what? Actually, we thought we'd need less black people. Well, now we need twice as many because it's going faster is how it works here. Luckily, it was 1895, though, and that was not mandatory anyway. So in 1895, they started renaming a bunch of shit.

1897, they upgraded the power plant to have a big generating station there and all that sort of shit here. And it became a big deal. Portman Shoals became the first hydroelectric plant in the u.s to generate high voltage without step-up transformers oh i don't know what that means but i copied that down because i thought you probably knew what that means because of your actual work transformers were when they when they bring the power in at a certain level of voltage and they step it up to a higher one it's like an amp yeah well yeah exactly like an amp for a mic if you have like a portable podcast recording setup so they've got step down

transformers too they take it from the power plant down to a substation down to lower to get it to your house so that's usable so yeah so you don't have lightning bolts shooting out of your walls blow your kid across get away from the wall the walls. Somebody plug that fan in. It got me last time. Jesus, there's a lot of outlets in here. Can we cover these up maybe? There's just, fuck, it's dangerous. Well, thank you.

Now we know what that is. There you go. So, yeah. Then the Portman Dam was swept away in 1901. Well, how about that? So, gone down the river and it forced Anderson to be in total darkness until 1902 when it was rebuilt. That's a long time. The plant's gone it's just gone the dam it's gone and wiped out they put the

entire plant on the dam i guess we sit here somebody fixed that would you people sounds of whittling in the background you're like i just please wait not somebody fix that pray tell when is someone gonna fix the dam and get the electricity back i can't believe they put the plant on the dam not sure it's hysterical a lot of people went all right well that's that that's it right there jesus fun won't last so uh in 1911 anderson college college was established by the anderson chamber of commerce and uh this was a successor to the johnson female seminary there and is affiliated with the south carolina baptist convention which is so that sounds so bleak that sounds scary yeah that sounds very bleak that is that is john lithgow from Footloose yelling at people for having fun.

Very little smiling. Oh, yeah. Very little. A lot of threats, though. A lot of threats. A lot of eternal threats, too. If you don't, I'm a, or if you don't, God gonna. God gonna.

And it's, well, I'm a beat you, and then God's gonna. Do worse. So it's gonna be immediate physical retribution followed by eternal retribution of your soul or to your soul so yeah uh anderson college became a co-ed college in 1930 and in 2006 they said that sounds anderson college like what's anderson university sounds better change the name which it does here now i found a little like a thing from the 1925, 1926, just giving you the state of Anderson at this point. And it's like an assessment of the town that they wrote up. And it says the schools of the county are in excellent condition and are efficiently and economically administered.

The number of accredited high schools is 12. This is in the county in 1925 and six. The public school enrollment enrollment was 14,000, 838 white children and 6 395 colored oh jesus christ that was right on the paper actually the fucked up part is in 25 26 that was like progressive language yeah like that was progressive at least they didn't use that other word that's what i mean that was that was actually considered fucking christ and archie bunker still said that on tv in the 70s. So that was 50 years before that. They said

the Anderson College, an institution for white women under control of the Baptist denomination, is in the city of Anderson. As if it was called Johnson's Female Seminary wasn't bad enough, an institution for white women under the control of the Baptist denomination.

I think the three words under the control are the worst part of jesus christ man all of it sucks i get that that's the funding and shit like that it's technically under control but it sounds sounds horrific sounds really bad lady stay away from the seminary please uh it says anderson county has many large factories for the production of textiles. The experimental stage in such manufacturing having long ago passed. The supply of water generated electrical power for projects is ample and cheap and the cost of living is comparatively low. They talk about how there's cotton and small grain and foraging crops and vegetables and cattle and all sorts of shit here. They said eight carloads of poultry being shipped from the county during the fall and winter of 25 26 they measured their poultry and car loads

what kind of car are we talking here is it stuffed in the back seat does it have a trunk does this car have to hold a certain number of crates or pallets or i don't know what what it has to do to qualify what's your what's your measurement for... What does the product say? The product again? Poultry. Okay. Just general poultry. It's just chicken parts.

I don't know. I guess birds. Whole, dead, alive. I don't know. Who the fuck knows? It's just stuck in there. That's fascinating. Jim Rice is from here, the Boston Red Sox hitter, who's a fucking really good power hitter there.

I think he finally got in the Hall of Fame as a matter of fact. Jim Rice. He's a badass. He should have been in a long time ago, but he was kind of gruff to the press. So they didn't do him any favors. And Larry Nance, the sportscaster guy. Most feminine looking big man ever. Yeah, he is.

Next to Brad Doherty. Next to Brad Doherty. Yeah, Brad Doherty is a fine looking gentleman. He's a fine looking woman. He's from here too. Is it Brad Doherty? Yeah. No, no.

Larry Nance. Oh, Larry Nance. looking woman he is uh he's from here too he's a brad doherty yeah no no larry nance how would i imagine you think i'd be a little more shocked if i if you pulled brad doherty out of your ass and he happened to be the other person from here i was like yeah good call he's from here too moving on and it'd be like how the hell did you know brad doherty was from here that's insane they wound up on the same team that That's crazy. This is crazy. Wow. Now, a couple of years ago, a 14-year-old did a school shooting in Townville that killed a first grader, killed his father and a first grader, and it could have been much worse. He wrote in his diary beforehand, and he wrote somewhere, quote, I think I'll probably most

likely kill 50 or 60. If I get lucky, maybe 150. What a shitbag. Yeah, he just turned 14, this kid, at the time. It was pretty fucking crazy. But we're not going to talk about that, honestly. That's no fun. You notice we never do school shootings on this show because what fun is that?

And then he walked in and, oh, my God, little Susie was diving under the duds. No, there's nothing we can make a joke about with that. So we have our limits. A 14-year-old did that. 14, just turned 14. And that is horrible to think. Just turned 14. There's nothing we can make a joke about with that. So we have our limits. A 14-year-old did that. I have a 10-year-old, and that is horrible to think. Just turned 14. I've really got to hug him more. Yeah, I would say.

Well, just pause Call of Duty for a second. Hey, turn that shit off for a second. Guess who loves you. And now you can go back to killing people. Now kill. Go kill. Go get him, son. This place leads the nation in respiratory infections

and it's also awful for migraine headaches it's in the top 10 places of horrible respiratory infection cities are Nashville Birmingham Alabama Oklahoma City Greensboro North Carolina this area that we're not Greensboro we'll talk

about that and here Little Rock Arkansas Dallas Texas Dayton Ohio Jacksonville, Florida, and Charlotte, North Carolina. Sounds like our tour is the worst respiratory infection. And this is also a top city for migraine headaches. So wonderful place to live, I would say. Every year I get a respiratory infection when we're on the road. Well, yeah, it's going to happen.

Oh, yeah. Someone's going to disease us. So people here, population 4 4177 right now so get your shit together and incorporate something that's that's a healthy amount of people it's enough uh it's up 62 percent since 1990 so people have fled here i guess uh median age 47.8 which is 10 years older than normal and there are a lot of old people here we'll talk about here uh all these 60 years old and above demographics are way high except for above 85 that southern diet will kill your ass you're not making it that long they know that respiratory diseases will

fucking wipe out an old person right yeah well i guess they probably move from the city there because it's i guess maybe a cheaper cost of living but we'll talk about that all the children demos are low everybody under 18 all the all the demographics are low more female than male which you get with the older populations as we know married populations higher because it's older people obviously so that makes a lot of sense a little more widow people again makes a lot of sense everything else is pretty close to normal here racially though it's a little out of whack white normally is about 62 here it is 96 white it is a little white south carolina town should we even talk about what the rest is pretty well 1.84 percent black so not even two percent in south carolina so that sounds on purpose almost anytime in the south there's less

than two percent black people i go that sounds on purpose almost anytime in the south there's less than two percent black people i go that sounds on purpose because fucking fascinating there's plenty of black people around yeah to be around you know like charleston's right there they're just not there yeah greenville and whatever a year and a half from atlanta we said so yeah i mean fucking outcast there's not that many outcast members to make the population swell you know they got outcast so it's double the black population right there i think tis from there whatever city they move to it becomes a very 0.0 percent asian which isn't surprising and uh 0.14 percent hispanic okay so there is just i don't know. That's nobody living in Phoenix.

It's amazing. I can't imagine zero Hispanic people at all. It's just strange. You're telling me they don't have a Filiberto's. No. Oh, my God. That's a restaurant. It's a restaurant.

Fast food. And it is amazing. It's delicious. It will ruin you. It's so good. Thirty six hours. Oh, you're going to die. It's amazing.

It's going to be amazing. i'm pretty sure it's amazing i'm pretty sure it's a front for the mexican mafia because that place never has anybody in there and they're expanding you know what i mean like there's never anybody sitting down eating in there you walk in and it's no fucking dead ass yeah there's like those weird uh different flavor drinks brightly colored fountaining all the time bubbling i don't know there's like an off-color green one too i don't know what the hell like an off-color green one, too. I don't know what the hell that is. There's one that's the color of the shit

my grandfather had his barber combs in when he was in the barber shop. Yeah. So, 66% of the people here are religious. So, that is frightening for me. That's a lot. 45% Baptist. Holy shit, that's some fire and brimstone.

Because Baptists are are as we know the catholics of the south obviously the mormons of the east however you want to say it really the rest of it doesn't matter it's just baptist as fuck 0.0 percent jewish no thank you we're good and uh 0.0 percent muslim here so there's no black people. There's no Muslims. There's no Hispanic people. There's it's just white Baptist people in this town. So the voting, I'll give you a guess. Politically, I'm guessing very independent. They're just all very liberal Democrat here.

This Kamala Harris is polling the strongest in this county of anywhere else in the Cory Booker's killing it. It's actually 26% of the people voted Democrat in the last election, 70% Republican. So it's a rural, older, white town. Economy here, it's about normal unemployment rate. Everything there is normal. Median household income is $54,000,

which is 57 and a half as normal. So that's average. So it's pretty close. Occupation here, a lot of manufacturing twice as many manufacturing jobs as as uh normal as an average town does a little less in terms of kind of the white collar jobs but there is a college nearby so there's some little more education services you know working at a college type job so professors to janitors to whoever cost of living here 100 being regular average par cost of living here is 106 so pretty close the thing that's highest is housing unfortunately

it's at 121 so median home cost here is 233 800 seems a little steep to live in rural south carolina i don't know like It's not by the beach. There's a lot of lakes, though. That's the thing. These lake houses drive the median price up. Some of these lake houses are obscenely expensive here. So a lot of houses in the $200,000 to $300,000 range, and they really go up and down the spectrum. 10% of the houses are worth less than $20,000.

So there's shit trailers, and there's million-dollar lake houses in the same little town. It's that type of thing here. It's probably kind of a railroad track scenario or maybe a stream separates them. I'm not sure. But if we've convinced you... A crick. A holler. If we've convinced you to find out what the hell separates the nice places

from the shitty ones, we have for you the Townville, South Carolina Real Estate Report. Your average two-bedroom rental here goes for about $880, which is $400 below the national average. So renting seems to be the cheaper option. But I think a lot of the rental places are shitty. That's why. So you never know. There's a three-bedroom, two-bath house here,

1,500 square foot. It sits back in some trees, got a big yard, quiet, nice place, nice little family house. $192,900. So, you know, in the manageables, not crazy. Yeah, it's nothing that's like,

oh my God, you have to be super wealthy or whatever it's an average home less than the national average i found a three bedroom three bath 2800 square foot it's a new construction so this one doesn't have kind of the you know the other one's older it's probably you know 40 years old this one is a brand new construction so it's shiny and new not a lot of grown-in trees and it doesn't minus the charm but it's brand new 329 000 though then i found a three bedroom three bath 3 765 square foot house uh on on the lake here on one of the lakes for 535 000 it's a nice fucking house it's really nice but also pretty goddamn expensive so uh things to do here holy shit not a lot of things to do jimmy i'm gonna be real honest with you i was looking up things to do townville festivals townville parades townville this that

so finally i just looked i looked up townville south carolina party to see if they had like you know an annual sock party where they all come and dress in their socks and dress their fucking dogs up like, like, you know, debutantes and southern literature or some shit. Who the fuck knows? What comes up is a big thing on Google on the side. You know, it'll have like the links and then on the side it'll have like, this is your main thing. Yeah. Is the dollar general. That's the thing to do.

That's the party. Not the thing to do. That's the party. You can get party supplies at the Dollar General. That's what I assume is the connection. Please throw an annual one. We've got a place for supplies for it. Dollar General.

That's party time. Yes. I'm going to go down there, which, by the way, has 4.1 stars. So they're enjoying the Dollar General in Townville. It also says there are 50 assisted living facilities near Townville. Now you know why there's no party. Which is, it's all old people, which is also, by the way, on the first page of, yeah. Of party?

Of party. So I looked hard, Jimmy, hard and wide and far and deep and everything, man. And I found Townville Volunteer Fire Department's Spring Festival. I found it. It's in April 2020. It's at the Townville Elementary School. Annual fundraiser. They have a barbecue and food, lots of crafts, hundreds of cars

and trucks. They don't say they're classic cars. It's just cars. Cars and trucks. We have everybody park in one spot. You can look at all of them. There's a parking lot. There's a Pulsar in there, but you know, it's a car you know it's fine there's a pontiac grand dam from 1994 but that's great it's fine it's great you're like old hatchback escorts but it's a fucking car crxs with the my mother wrapped around a tree with me and at one time how the hell did she get that little thing all the way around the tree well it was a small tree very small tree i actually rolled it over like six times too seriously oh yeah that thing was a mess it was a pancake so anyway yeah

that's every mall could claim that yeah stores yeah food court hundreds of cars and trucks have a gander at our parking lot yep and and tractors also and it just says on display it doesn't say anything about what they are they're collectors items or anything new and old fire trucks oh to look at the kids like fire trucks tractor being raffled off oh you can get one for free you're gonna raffle off a tractor it's gonna wet your palate a little bit with that you know to display did you see all those now you have one too oh yeah kids area with games blow-ups that's oh boy it's kids area with games blow-ups face painting and tractor barrel rolling okay i don't know what goes on with tractor i know what a barrel roll is but i don't know what tractor barrel you probably push it right i have no children it's for children so

assume the safest thing you could imagine and then it's for children so assume the safest thing you could imagine and then it's the south so there's probably a gun involved somewhere you do this then you shoot a gun and then another kid dodges it then you fuck a blow-up doll's face maybe that could be anywhere though jimmy that's not it said it's got blow-ups it's got blow-ups so uh also the anderson the great anderson county fair, which I looked up and it's great. And it just seems to be a shitload of animals. There's a lot of animals and pigs of all kinds. I did see a seal in there.

I don't know why they would have a seal in a landlocked county fair in the South. It has nothing to do with seals, but whatever. Fuck it. Crime rate in this town. Well, we're interested in here. The crime, the nitty gritty property crime is slightly high, but pretty much at average and violent crime, murder, rape, robbery, and of course, assault. The Mount Rushmore of crime is right at average.

So these old people are not fucking around. I don't know. I always think that like with the old people, is it that people prey on the old people? And that's why the old people, old people do shit old people oh boy old people do shit to each other yeah old people are horrible to each other talk to people who work at like retirement homes they'll tell you awful things that old people do to each other they're terrible they're constantly fucking each other they're always sexually assaulting each other they're it's horrible man guys dicks are always out and the women are always talking about get me a man it's like there's men all over

this place and their dicks are out but none of them even know their dicks are out. That's the problem. And no matter what they do, they can go, huh? What are you talking about? I don't remember that. I don't know what you're talking about. You can play dementia. That's why I'm in a home, stupid.

You can go to court and put them in prison. Huh? What happened? What? I don't know. Where am I? I heard I did that at a Chuck E. Cheese, too. Is it my dinner time?

They're just going to be like, put him back in the home. It's the same thing. We're not taking care of his old ass in there. What are you talking about? It's fucked up. If you're an old woman, you've got to be on guard. What, are we going to put him in jail? A dude on a drug charge will be like, why is your dick out?

Plus, then they have to take care of this old person in jail. He's already in somewhere where they can take care of him. Jesus Christ. I don't know. Keep his fucking room locked and his dick away. I don't know what to tell you. So let's talk about a murder. Yes.

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16 years old. About to be robbed at gunpoint. About to be robbed at gunpoint. We're trying to think here. No doubt is annoying the world with their constant whining. Sugar Ray is crushing. Sugar Ray is just, yeah, they're just about to start crushing. This is that time.

Ace of Base is ripping it up. I don't know. I think that was like 93 that was like 93 94 but it was that was the shittiest thing i could think of but i think they were still getting residual check oh god yeah today it's probably dried up still listening to alanis morissette and whining and complaining about everything yeah this was uh this is quite the time 97 here uh 1997, November 19th, 1997. Early in the morning, 8 o'clock in the morning, the Seneca Police Department. This is a nearby town, Seneca, South Carolina. This is a rural area, as we've talked about.

All these little towns. It doesn't sound like you'd look at it like some sort of cop show where it's like an LAPD detective room and there's phones ringing and typewriters typing going and people coming in and out. Sergeant, I need to talk to you. You're on this case now. Yeah, there's one cop who's walking around doing stuff and then whoever's in charge has his feet up on his desk and he's got a pastry of some kind

and a cup of coffee. He's reading the paper and he's complaining that they're zoning that for a laundromat. Oh, for Christ's sake. Jesus, that was where my daddy used to get his prostitutes or whatever the fuck he was complaining about. Something that was important to his childhood. Very important to his childhood. So it's eight in the morning and a man walks in.

Warren Burkhart walks in. He's an older guy. He's in his 50s, early 60s here. He's an older guy. He's in his 50s, early 60s here. He walks in in the morning here and asks to see the chief of police of the town. Chief Lee is his name. So I got to see Chief Lee right now, which it's a very small town.

You can just walk in at eight in the morning, demand to see the chief of police. And they're like, one moment, please. That's Phoenix. Go down to the police department, walk in at eight in the morning, and demand to see the chief of police. And they'll be like, get the fuck out of here. And you got to go to a different floor for that. Like, this guy walked in and said it, and then the chief walked out and went, somebody call me? Basically, they said, you want to see the chief?

Chief! Chief! This guy! I looked. He's in the shit, or otherwise you'd see him. He's usually right behind me, but he must be shitting. He's been drinking coffee, and that cheese danish affects him hard so eight in the morning that guy over there he took the last cream phil oh he's gonna be so pissed when he gets out oh my god it's gonna be he made some

room he was saying he's making some room for that for that cream fuck for that long john and now boy so it's eight in the morning this guy warren burkhart walks in alone demanding to speak to chief lee who chief lee he knows that's why he's demanding to speak to him because chief lee has been a customer at their family's restaurant in in uh in okoni in okoni okoni okoni whatever the fuck it is county ockney ockney there you go that one so uh the he knows the chief of police he's like let me see lee here bring him out and you know then make him make him visible so warren burkhart tells lee once he comes out that okay uh here's the story listen i know it's 8 a.m haven't seen you thanks for coming in last week your grandkids are getting so big so big no i know yeah it's good that we

keep the fret we like fresh seasonal vegetables we really feel like it makes a difference in the overall restaurant experience but let's put that aside for one second there's a pressing matter we got to get to my son uh killed three people oh jesus so we're gonna have to talk we'll get yeah there's some don't worry the fall menu is coming out soon it's fine. But he's killed three people. So let's get to that first. Okay. So that's a thing. Yeah. Chief kind of sits up and spills coffee.

Oh, Jesus Christ. I feel like he had his chair reclined. He came forward and the coffee. Oh, Jesus. Goddamn. Son of a bitch. Did you say three? Three people.

Pray tell. I only got two body bags. What? We got. three people pray tell i only got two body bags what we got that's more than we can call the county god damn it the fuck jesus christ the morgue can't handle we've only got two ice boxes for bodies how are we supposed to do the body count is just stacking oh now i know what it feels like to be in war yes he put an h in war even in the big city so he uh yeah he tells him my kid killed three people over in anderson county uh this is a problem so he says tell you what tell you what i'll do because obviously i you know this is not

has nothing to do with me i'm just a dad here i'll go get him he's in the car so yeah you probably want to talk to him i assume by now he brought him to he brought him to it's not like he was like he's not like he walked in just letting you know have a good one right so fishing tomorrow or whatever like that's not what happened he said like i got him in the car this is a great show and tell i just well yeah i got yeah you got a murderer i got a murderer i don't know what'd you bring i brought i brought i brought my teddy ruxpin i brought a murderer and he happened to know. What did you bring? I brought my Teddy Ruxpin. What did you bring? I brought a murderer. And he happens to be my son.

And he's killed more people than anybody you know. My Teddy Ruxpin has the Guns N' Roses tape in it. And it sounds awesome. It's funny when he does Sweet Child of Mine. It looks super dramatic. Okay. Tell you what. You bring yours.

You bring yours in. And I'll put. Will you put Teddy down? God damn it. Listen. God damn. He brought a murderer to the police station. I told him not to bring that Teddy Ruxpin.

Fucking embarrassing me. God damn deputies. Okay. So he brings him. So he brings him inside. Well, so he says while they were talking, so he goes outside and he brings in his son. His son comes in and his son's got his wife with him. Also, his wife, Michelle.

He brings in the happy couple. Hi. Hey, chief. How you doing? Oh, yeah. Little problem this morning. So the chief said they're talking. And while they were talking, the son turns to his father, Warren, and tells him that he says, listen, dad, my uncle's behind this whole thing.

He's behind everything. That's what he tells his dad at this point behind this whole thing that's he's behind everything that's what he tells his dad at this point but he doesn't say that to the police he just felt like it's an aside right to his dad in the middle of a conversation so he comes in uh by the way too he is uh covered in blood at this point in time this is new this just happened son is son is covered in fucking blood uh he's yeah he's got blood all over his shirt somebody else did it not me i was really close though and it's just enough to get a lot of blood on me i clearly saw it i know what happened put it that way i know i what had happened so he comes in and he tells he tells the son says look it was self-defense like i killed all three of these

people in self-defense which you know you know, that's a possibility. And he tells them, I'll show you where they are right now. They're dead in a field. They are in a distant field here, which is a kudzu field. You know what this is? No. K-U-D-Z-U, which I'm sure I'm pronouncing wrong. That's kudzu, I think.

Kudzu, it's japanese uh root type thing that's an invasive root but they use it to it helps uh keep from soil from eroding oh it's good for like the dust bowl they could have used a shitload of this they brought it over to america in like 1936 and introduced it they're like hey look at that your shit doesn't have to be the dust bowl anymore there you go it's good for animal grazing they use it for making baskets and shit. And like the Asian people use it for teas also. So that's it's a it's a field of this shit. It's a very low. It's like a low to the ground vegetation.

So it's a field of green stuff. That's grass. Yeah, but it's a little high. Yeah, I guess it would be like high grass, but it's like thicker because it's leafy and viney and shit like that. So it's not like, yeah, it's all viney. So it's a field of this shit is where he brings them and they find here the bodies of shane and stacy walters who are brothers they are 27 and 22 years old they're brothers they live together and sonia khan who is age 21

years old and uh she's also with them she does not live with them or anything like that they don't know what the relation is between her. No connection apart from probably friends. Friendship or something like that. No, yeah, no. They don't run a business together. They're not related in any way. She's not romantically linked to any of these people.

Whatever. So now Warren Burkhardt, his son, his truck that he was driving was recovered from Warren Burkhart's house. Apparently, the kid drove to his father's house and said, I just killed three people. And he said, we'll take it down to Chief Lee and we'll start this all out and did that sort of thing. The interior of the truck is covered in blood like a fucking horror movie. I've seen the pictures. It is driving with like two fingers.

And this is back at his house. They take the police. Here's the bodies. Here's my truck. He's taking them. Here's the evidence. So Pop's driving with like two fingers? This is back at his house. They take the police. Here's the bodies. Here's my truck. He's taking them. Here's the evidence. Look at what happened. Truck looks like a massacre horror movie scene.

Like it all happened in there. Like overkill. If you saw it in a horror movie, that was the scene. You'd be like, okay, they could have went a little easier with the blood. This is stupid. It's that much blood. And bullet holes, too, all over the fucking place. Oh, my God.

All sorts of bullet holes and blood. It looks like Sonny Corleone drove up to the toll booth in this fucking truck and godfather and they sprayed him down that's what it looks like there okay so uh the the evidence here indicates that all three of these people were shot in the head at close range and while in this the cab of the truck and then that, their bodies have been dragged from the truck onto the ground. So they can tell by where they hit. There's no blood, and then here's some, and then some dragging. So you can see where they did it.

Are there three gunshots? Well, yeah. Multiple. They've all been shot, but they have more gunshots than just the ones in the head, too. Then we'll talk about that. I was wondering if there was like a Deadpool moment where you got three with one.

Yeah, no, no. Yeah, everybody line up. Everybody line up perfectly Everybody line up perfectly. Line up perfectly. I've been working these bullets. I made them in my laboratory. Super straight. They go through three heads.

It's amazing. Oswald could have really used this fucking thing. He really could. I'll put it that way. It would have ended all speculation. So, yeah, they say that the shot in the head and dragged out of the truck the state here the the whole police department they also find evidence that stacy and shane the brothers had been stomped on by feet like my god stomped on while they were on the ground and also that sonia was shot in the head while lying on the ground. Okay. So the headshot for her, at least one of her headshots came on the ground,

and that Stacey and Shane had been kicked and stomped on the ground also. So if you've already shot people and they're on the ground, the stomping seems pretty unnecessary at that point. But Shane Walters, and we'll find out why, Shane Walters had been shot six times. Oh, boy. That's a lot of shooting to then stomp someone, including the fatal gunshot, which was to the back of the head. Somebody doesn't like that guy. Somebody's a little upset with Shane.

And Stacy, his brother, was shot in the right temple and right cheek, both of which were fatal shots, they said. So either way, he was done. And so this is what he was stomping completely dead people and sonia khan was shot three times including one shot through the right temple and one in her left eye oh fuck so she was shot probably they think once in the trunk at the truck in the head and then of the one of the shots was uh that's on the ground so yeah and this is a 21 year old yeah you know 21 year old woman that's ridiculous it's That seems excessive is what I'm getting at. Now, they feel like from the evidence that only one weapon was used,

and it was his pistol, which was a.45. It was a semi-automatic.45 that holds eight rounds, seven in the clip and one in the chamber, and they found two empty clips at the scene two empty magazines indicating that he shot and reloaded my so yeah so this that's an odd self-defense scenario from the evidence base the way it's laid out you go okay they're shot one was shot on the ground these people were stomped reloading situation it's really taking it out on him in his truck it's very like, wow, this is.

For a guy getting jumped, he really had some firepower. Yeah. He's fast, too, because they're swinging at him, and he's got time to reload. My word, he's quick. Pop, pop, pop, pop, pop. Yeah. And then the other thing, too, is like, it'd be hard to say self-defense when someone's out of your truck.

If they're shot, and then you get them out of your truck, you drive away. You don't then get out and stomp them and finish them off with head shots. You generally only shoot one because everybody else is going to be like, he's fucking serious. If you blast off, if you're in an enclosed truck cab, it's an extended cab Dodge Ram. If you're in a Dodge Ram like Josh's truck, truck if you're in a dodge ram you know it's a friend of ours yeah yeah if you there's nobody in the story nobody in the story named josh is a person we know i'm trying to that ram if you're an extended cab of a pickup truck and someone lets off one shot of a 45 it's loud you will remember that forever you don't need anything else to

happen because you're you're you'll see that it's so fucking loud your eyes won't't work right. That's how fucking loud that shit will be. It's loud. And it's early morning. This ended up happening in November, so it's dark also. So the flash and the fucking shot, it would have disoriented everybody involved in this whole thing.

And we'll find out what led up to it, too. They were all pretty disoriented to begin with, as we'll talk about here. So the experts here estimated that it was probably 11 shots that were fired from different bullet holes and in the truck and wounds and people. Shane, they found Shane's unloaded hunting rifle under the truck's back seat. And this is not his truck, Shane. This is, like we said, Warren Burkhart's son, who we'll talk about in a second here. It was beneath a large speaker.

So it was underneath there, like one of the speaker box. Yeah. And Sonia, in Sonia's purse were two unopened pocket knives. And Shane had a pocket knife, an unopened, like a folding pocket knife in his pants pocket. Got it. So those are the only weapons these people have. So if they're claiming self-defense, if he's claiming self-defense, these are the the weapons that these people had an unloaded rifle that didn't have any bullets to it and a couple of pocket knives and a couple of pocket knives that people carry around especially if

you live in rural south carolina i feel like you're have maybe a need for a pocket knife now and then when the power goes out from the dam collapse you gotta put it back together how are you gonna find your knife to whittle that's my and how you put it that's an even better point i've got a swiss i mean damn the beavers can't the beavers can't do everything i mean they're good but we can't depend on them for everything i can carve too and we'll make them little things so uh yeah and now who the fuck is this guy yeah this is his warren burkett's uh burkhart's son is troy allen burkhart okay let's talk about this fucking idiot for a second troy allen burkhart he was born in it just goes by troy the allen parts just for legal purposes he is born in june of 1967 so uh at this point in time he's you know 30 years old yeah uh 1997 uh 1984

i did some research on him as i tend to do yeah tend to go find some shit on people if they don't have a lot of background info i'll fucking find it myself so i found a newspaper clipping from 1984 when he's 17 years old yeah uh in a greenville newspaper there's a big spread about how teen fashions are changing and he is featured in it he it's basically there's a picture of like a mod like an ad like a clothing store ad with teenagers in these clothes and it's an article about how the fashions are changing and he is one of the models in the ad this troy burkhart guy so he's one of the models he's 17 years troy burkhart guy so he's one of the models he's 17 years old and he's like on this bicycle with this chick behind him he's looking

very 80s and i would normally i would never jump out of this but we really have to talk about what they're talking about for just a second a 1984 fashion article for teens they said most new clothing for all ages come in electric colors like jade turquoise green fuchsia uh coppin royal which is a royal blue and salmon these colors will dominate school and party wear especially for girls more colors more fun that's the key mtv has had a heavy influence just like any other popular television show if they promote a character appealing to children girls are going to be wearing shorter fashion tops with asymmetrical necklines, cowl necks

and side buttons. I don't know what any of that shit is. Ankle length pants. That's what pants are. What fucking length should they be? Ankle length pants. That's a good point. That's like saying a head covering hat. It's a fucking hat.

It's what it is. A chest shawl. I guess. That's a fucking hat it's what it is just shawl i guess that's a shirt and and pants that narrow as the leg reaches the ankle will also be in well into the spring and they also said that this is funny the conservative and preppy look is still strong also they're talking about how uh uh they're jesus christ they're a very heavy influence from michael jackson on this year's fashion with lots of jack tons of zippers on the jackets and all that sort of thing and that's what he looks like here uh this i have here's a quote here uh khaki duckhead type pants are a must and button downs with sleeves rolled up we don't even carry short sleeve shirts for

bigger boys i don't know what any of this shit means but i thought that's a brand those are nice pants yeah duckhead tight pants okay so she's saying pants like that knock off ones at our store that are cheaper right that's what she said because it's some store lady that's discussing this and how the fashion tell us about the fashion if that's the way the 80s are described uh you can sum it up with uh stupid that's terrible fucking dumb that's why when you watched anything from the age you go wow everyone's dressed crazy because that's what people were saying this is what's in right now isn't it wonderful colors fucking colors so april 1992 here so troy is uh 25 at this point he's arrested for his modeling days are over yeah when you see him later on you're like that

guy was a fucking model and then when you see him as a kid you're like i guess he was a handsome kid he's a tall guy too that's the other thing he's six three yeah so i think that's part of it height helps in modeling i don't know i just i aspire to be called handsome yeah i think he was that would be wonderful not now though not now it's all gone to shit yeah but you can see his face is the same face of his you know later photos shape to it yeah you're like that's his nose that's his eyes it's that sort of thing so he's arrested in april of 1992 for grand larceny of a motor vehicle in seneca so uh you know he's 25 he gets arrested that's too old to be arrested for stealing a car yeah

you're not joyriding you're not 15 yeah that's you should own a car yeah and have a job and be paying for it and have no time to steal anyone else's because you're so tired from working that should be when you're 25 that's like that's going to school you shouldn't have a criminal record at 25 uh well you could have one but not an active one you shouldn't be getting arrested done by now because you're exhausted from your day exhausted from your day at your job. 25 is when you're hustling. 25 is when you're working for shit money, trying to get something else. So you're working more hours than you're getting credit for and paid for. And you can be going to school at the same time. And you're trying to still have a social life because you still think, hey, I can still act like I'm 19.

So you're still trying to drink at night. And then you're getting up at 6 o'clock in the morning and going to work. 25 is a fucking brutal age. Who has time for grand larceny of a motor vehicle at that moment christ man so uh this is around the same time that he gets in a relationship he finds a girl named michelle she's a local girl who uh grew up knowing his sister i think she was in the same grade as his sister as troy's sister and so he knew her kind of that way and his sister knew that knew her since she was 15. They get engaged pretty quickly.

They're engaged for about a year, and then they get married in about early 1993. They end up getting married, Michelle and Troy. So I guess that's getting your shit together. Was that one of the vows? That's enough. Yeah, maybe that was one of the vows. I won't steal any more cars because I'm married now.

And this is another. I quit. Yeah. That's a very adult thing to do, too. Getting married. That you shouldn't be stealing cars, which is a teenage thing to do. Unless you have like a chop shop or something. That's a good point.

Then it's a business at that point. More power to you. It's not necessarily legal, but it's still a business. No, but it's still, it's entrepreneurial anyway. I'll at least say, I'll give you credit for entrepreneurial nature every fucking time because some people they don't have that nature it's true so 1995 now uh troy is arrested again at age 28 for disposing of property that's under lean um okay i don't know there was some that's essentially uh insurance fraud it's kind of yeah yeah it's something like that it's under lien or maybe it was some sort of a property uh

who the hell knows maybe he had a tractor that was okay that was i had a lien on it from the bank that nobody paid off and he tried to fucking hide it or who the hell knows but when they go to arrest him he's also not having any of that. And he's arrested for resisting arrest as well. So disposing of a possibly a tractor, who the fuck knows? And then resisting arrest of said tractor disposal is pretty embarrassing at age 28 years old. Now, Troy here, as we've talked about, seems like an interesting character. Remember, he turned to his father and said, my uncle had everything to do with this. And he caused all this trouble. What the fuck was

he talking about? Who was his uncle? His uncle is a guy named Ronnie Burkhart. That is his father's brother, Warren, who brought him into the police station. That's his brother. Warren and Ronnie hate each other. Hate each other. Why? They're brothers. They have beef. We'll talk about this. They hate each other

so much. They had court battles over land. Things we'll talk about. They hate each other so much they had like court battles over land things we'll talk about they hate each other so much one of the attorneys involved said that their relationship was so bad that they could not be left alone in the courtroom together without getting into a fistfight wow if they're sitting there at different tables and no one's between them they will attack each other and they're like crows and owls they'll just start on the just there he is they'll start fighting awesome like crows and owls. They'll just start on the just. There he is.

They'll start fighting. Awesome. Like Peter and the giant chicken and family guy. Like, that's what we have a situation going on here. They just see each other squint and start fighting. That's it. Yeah, that's how bad they can't. They get in fistfights in court. Imagine two old men fistfighting in court.

First of all, I'd pay to see that. Number one, I would love to see two old men in a financial dispute stand up in a courtroom in front of a judge and start hold on hold on what happened my dick's out what i don't remember so yeah uh now that people said that ronnie seemed determined to ruin warren's life financially and there were several lawsuits going on between the two of them and that Troy's relatives referred to I guess Ronnie was the guy that they all they all took Warren's side Ronnie they all referred to as very

vicious and an evil person and we'll talk about to Ronnie's got a real shady history of illegal things and talk about now 1997 rolls around when we're talking about as we see he's been married to this woman michelle he's had a couple of weird run-ins with the law resisting arrest of tractor hiding yeah what we're going to say at this point in 1997 troy owns a bar

and runs this bar it's called traditions here i don't know whatever and uh spelled troy additions troy additions it's not a gay bar jimmy troy edition sounds like the local hey the locals rural south carolina hot spot for some guy on guy action so uh yeah troy he runs this place him and his wife basically operated it's a it's a bar that you know at night they also have a catering business that's near there also so they're running a bar and a catering business kind of doing all this shit so they have some sort of you know life that they're building yeah he's not like unemployed and she you know works as a business owners they're business owners i don't know how successful it is but who cares it's not in business now so but i mean, we'll find out after this. I don't know how that could have survived. So November 1997, how did this all fucking occur?

How do these people know each other? How did they end up in a kudzu field at 8 o'clock in the morning with three of them dead with mad gunshots and a bloody man and his father? How did this shit happen? Well, Troy meets the Walters brothers here. Shane and Stacy meets them just a few days before this happened. Really? That week this happened. They've known each other a few days.

A mutual friend of theirs, a guy named Paul Zastrow, introduced Troy with the Walters brothers when they met. I guess Troy was at Zastrow's house. And the Walters guys stopped by. It was a chance. Hey, these are my buddies. These are the Walters. Blah, blah, blah. Got it.

So that was a quick meeting. That was November 14th, 1997. So that was five days earlier. That's how they met. They went their separate ways. Like nothing. How many people have you met like that? Oh, God.

My friend's friend. How you doing? What's up, Phil? How are you? A thousand. Phil, what you doing with all this phil how are you thousand phil what you doing all this good man thousand times so uh a couple days after that uh a group of clemson students because clemson as i guess was semi nearby had rented the traditions bar for a private party they rented it out for a big private party for that whole weekend. But Troy was having trouble because the septic tank was fucked up.

So imagine a bar full of college students who have rented the place. It's all there. So they're going to get disgustingly drunk. It's going to be fun. Imagine them with the shit tank overflowing. That's a nightmare. Yeah. We're talking Pabst Blue Ribbon shits all over the place.

Oh, boy. Going to be spread around the walls, so this is bad. Sweet Pete running over the toilet. Yeah, in shit. Yeah. In fucking Blue Ribbon diarrhea. It's hilarious how this country, if you don't think it's divided, go into one of those portalettes. It is hysterical to see the things that people say oh my god there

was i saw one that any male bathroom do women do that do you write horrible racist things on the bathroom walls while you're while you're sitting there someone with an arrow pointing to the urinal like no arrow pointing the urinal said donald trump's mouth and then arrow pointed into the shitter and it said uh please take one free obama doll i was like how divided is america jesus christ what is happening what is happening god redneck portal ah disgusting wonderful unbelievable and they come out with the toilet things and they go free cowboy hat see they're quite the clever bunch everybody the toilet humor always wins oh yeah blue collar toilet humor wonderful it's good stuff there so the shit tank is broken what do we do so

the sastro guy he tells he tells troy i you know those walters guys you met at my house they know how to fix shit like this they're good at this sort of thing why there's that i'm sure there's a company that fixes septic tanks yeah a lot of them guarantee there's a company that if you call them they'll come right out and fix that septic tank but apparently he needed it fixed like asap he couldn't wait till monday morning to get the septic tank fixed he needed to get it going so he says fine if that's if they can fucking help me great call them up and see what's going on here. Now, like I said, we don't know. He doesn't know these guys at all. And so Troy, the Walters, they set up mobile homes for a living.

That's their job. So they're familiar. They're familiar with shit tanks and plumbing. I'm sure just random. They're handy guys. If you can set up a trailer to make it livable and you know connect it to shit in the ground there you go there you go so that's what they do troy said sounds great bring them on over here so friday night november 14th because he's got the students coming in and he wants to you know doesn't want shit flowing out everywhere they all show up at the traditions bar on friday

night november 14th to work on the septic tank so you just met them you know earlier that day they build a bonfire outside and spend the night just all night outside working on the septic tank and i use that in quotes working on the septic tank which also was uh drinking beer yeah smoking a little weed and doing meth yeah also because if you're gonna fix a septic tank all night that's gotta be meth fuel yeah you know i mean what are we talking about here and talking about deer hunting which is a weird meth conversation i like to i just like to get this fucking deer i just see a motherfucker and i can i can connect with him you know what i mean like i can see him through my

scope and i'm like i'm gonna fucking you know i'm in there and he knows i'm in his head and then he just doesn't even move because he knows he's mine he's mine like the universe the universe has willed his soul to me, right? So I'm going to fucking get it right between the crosshairs. I fucking shoot him and then when I eat him, I feel his soul escape from my body when I shit. That's how it works. Yeah, it's pretty fucking cool, man. It's pretty cool. I feel like you've done this. I've never done meth or

deer hunting, but I feel like if I was a meth-y deer hunter, that would be my thought process here. So this turns into the this is the weirdest thing ever. This is what I don't understand. These people are adults. They're 21 years old, 27 years old. Troy is 30.

They're not 17 years old. They have turned a all-night septic tank fixing thing into now all of a sudden they started calling other people. People started coming up and joining them this turns into a party yeah friends start coming over everybody around the backed up shit pies shit tank what kind of party is that not fun you know anything about backed up shit tanks by any chance everyone that shows up i heard there was beer here i don't and also troy's got to be like you know there's a bar inside where people can pay for all this shit this is uh this is how good of a business owner he is so all these people are here now uh troy carries a gun a lot yeah he carries a gun uh he says he carries a gun because quote i deal with

money and liquor and i'm in a secluded location legit reasons fair enough if you're a bar owner in a secluded location you're you probably got a gun you probably yeah it's like being a you know an immigrant uh an immigrant liquor store owner or some sort of general store in the middle of nowhere gas station anywhere you're doing commerce and and you're secluded you have money own it i hope you got a gun too you have money that someone can take and you're out of earshot of police they'll probably yeah or other people yeah that'd be that those are the people who have guns so troy said he's never been hunting which i find interesting he's he's a south carolina guy who carries a gun and everything but he's never

been hunting and he never has he's never been deer hunting uh never been hunting and he says he became interested in learning to hunt in the past few weeks and now they were talking about hunting and so he's he's really got his you know he's got his fur up to go hunting he's like this He became interested in learning to hunt in the past few weeks, and now they were talking about hunting. And so he's really got his fur up to go hunting. He's like, this sounds like fun, man. I hear about it, and now you guys are talking about it. This fucking meth is getting good to me, so let's go hunting. So what he's carrying now is a Colt.45 semi-automatic that he purchased at a pawn shop a few years earlier.

He got a pawn shop. This is what he carries around that's a like we've discussed 45 is a lot of gun yeah that's a big fucking cannon of a gun that'll very little room for error man that was that was what i tried to use yeah that's a wow yeah that night that's what i had in my hand that's a big gun it's because you you want whatever you're shooting at should disappear. Well, yeah, it's not a... It eliminates problems. That's the thing. A.45, you've got to want it bad because there's no coming back from that shit.

So it's that. So now the party breaks up. The big shit tank party breaks up. Everybody's all meth-y and boozy. And I don't know if the shit tank got fixed or what but they break up now Shane and Stacy and another friend of theirs drove around the woods with their guns this is with Troy

too Troy Shane Stacy so the two brothers the Walters brothers and some other friend from the party drove around the woods with their guns looking for deer because when you're methed up and you've been up all night now's the time to shoot this is what I mean want to do it let's just fucking do it let's go shoot some deer we can go right now we can go right fucking now let's do it

why not there's woods I got a gun why not we're people we're human beings we're free in this world I don't understand why we can't just do it take that meth though bring that with us we're going to need it otherwise we'll all be sleeping in the woods soon so the uh the apparently they saw uh they saw a deer at some point but they spooked

it and it ran away. So they found one fucking deer and they startled it and spooked it. So they all just said, well, I guess it's time to go home now. You know, what are you going to do? How long is this going to last? I guess they're out of meth. You know how it goes. So Shane takes Troy home and tells him that he would help him again with the septic tank on Saturday if needed. So they were up all night.

Shit tank still doesn't work. Still fucked up with the septic tank, which is, this is what meth does. Useless. Multiple people, a dozen people hung out, and nobody fixed the fucking thing. But they all remembered to do meth. So the next day, Saturday, November 15th, and it was kind of the same thing. This time, Troy picks up shane as walters at paul's astro's house at about 9 p.m and they drive to traditions to work on the

septic tank which i i feel like it's we're just partying again i don't feel like there's any septic tank thing going here so they're interested in a minimum yeah yeah exactly so a bunch of the same people show up from the night before and literally it's a it's the same thing a party they have a big bonfire and he's just rather than having his bar open on a friday and saturday night making money he's gonna party around a bonfire with a bunch of idiots basically so or whatever a bunch of people a bunch of kids he shouldn't be with a bunch of yeah you're you're married go home what are you doing man fucking doing meth around a bonfire this is not adult behavior i'm sorry so or it's very adult behavior one of the two i haven't decided to adult i would say arguably two adults yeah so a bunch of those people there they again they

drank booze they did meth they smoked weed. They did all that until the bar closed. So he had it open, but he's outside doing that. That's what you want to do when you pull up to a bar. Me personally, if I'm going to a bar to have a drink, when I pull up in the parking lot outside the bar, I want to see a bunch of fucking meth people around a bonfire banging on a shit tank with a hammer. That's where I go. This is where we're drinking. This is going to be great. I'm breaking out of their head.

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this seems like the type of thing that wouldn't happen like we're gonna go hunting in the morning we're totally gonna fucking do it and then they both pass out and call each other at like two in the afternoon you didn't show up we really fucked up yeah you didn't show up did you because i just woke up now so uh they don't they go home there uh troy then waited for shane who's supposed to come back but he never showed up right because you know people who just did drugs all night are unreliable at best so but i like troy just sitting there like with his camo vest on and his gun over his shoulders waiting for him yeah like a like a kid waiting for his dad to take him somewhere like no dad said he's coming

he'll be here so yeah he never he never shows up. So Troy drove over to Shane's house and knocked on the door twice. Or drove over to his house twice. Two different times and knocked on the door. Both times he got no answer. So he assumed Shane fell asleep because that would have been the logical thing to do. Would be to go to sleep. And instead, he's getting ready to hunt. So then Troy drives over to Paul Zastrow's house

and has some coffee for some reason. I don't know why. And then goes home and goes to sleep. So the meth, I think the coffee was a comedown. You know? It erases some? Yeah, I feel like it was, man, I got too much meth going on.

How about some of that fucking coffee? So that afternoon, now this is the next afternoon. It's Sunday now, November 16th. Shit tank still broken, by the way. November 16th. Now Shane and his wife Vicky, now because Shane's married, had some friends over to watch the car races on TV. So this is a very southern thing here. This is very specific.

If the rest of the world doesn't understand yeah very very specific to a very specific region of this country in in some parts and they said car races so it doesn't necessarily be a nascar they could have been watching any car could have been a crv could have been it could have been 14 year old kids that souped up nissan pulsars to drive to go mud bogging and they'll watch that shit car racing is considered a spectator thing and people will come over to stare at cars driving around in circles together which i don't understand the communal positive benefit of that was the pulsar on nissan i think it was a nissan it was absolutely a nissan yeah it had those lights in the back that were like i remember remember it. A diagonal shaded...

It's an ugly car. 80s sunglasses. They had like louvers on the fucking... This is funny. I think my mother almost bought one in the 80s. I swear. I think she... Seriously, I swear to God, she was looking at a Pulsar and bought a CRX.

I'm not kidding. The one that we rolled over a bunch of times. That is amazing. You know it. So this whole thing comes down. They're all watching the races. Shane and Vicky have the friends over watching the races. Troy is not there.

Troy calls Shane several times. And then finally, he and Paul Zastrow go over to the Walters trailer. Both brothers live there and the guy's wife in the trailer. So this tells you. Why is that always the case? It's always the Walters trailer. Both brothers live there and the guy's wife in the trailer. So this tells you. Why is that always the case? It's always the case, yeah. If you have a trailer, it's you and whoever you're with can live there.

Nobody else can have roommates in the trailer. I'm sorry. So they end up going over there about four o'clock in the afternoon. I don't know if the races are still going on or what. Probably. Maybe. Now, Stacy comes, the brother, Walter Walter's brother.

He comes in. He's been out working. He comes in a short time later. Now, at some point in this evening, Shane, Stacy, and Troy decided that they're going to go four-wheeling in Shane's truck. Oh, boy. I don't know. It's probably not.

Is the shit tank still broke? The shit tank is not working. Overflowing with Pabst Blue Ribbon College beer shits everywhere. They don't fix shit. No, there's used condoms floating in it. It's a mess from that weekend. It's a fucking disaster. But they're going to go four-wheeling,

which who knows if he even has a four-wheel drive truck or if he's got like a 91 S10 Chevy pickup that he's going to take out there. Yeah, just a two-wheel drive little little truck here so they decide they're gonna go four-wheeling troy has his gun with them he says in case they go hunting yeah and shane says yeah i'll bring my rifle too while we're four-wheeling if we see some deer hey let's fucking get it on which a 45 handgun is an odd deer hunting weapon but i guess it's effective enough it'll get the done, but it's not the thing you pull off the rack first, I don't think.

You got to get close. Yeah. It dissipates real fast. You get up, you put it right behind his fucking ear. That's what you do. You got to sneak up on him. These fucking deers walk around the woods like they own the joint, right? They walk around and they shit in their little pellets all over the fucking place.

You get one, he's all quiet. He's sipping from a brook like a lean. Look at him. He thinks he's so cool. You walk up right behind him you're fucking blasting behind the ear his brains all over the place you got venison when you got no you just leave him there as an example that's what you do i don't want the rest of them no i that's right i want him to know this asshole this is not what you do in my fucking woods shitting all over the place i don't want to eat him disgusting running around what kind of bugs he's got parasites so anyway they're all here they're

going four-wheeling uh by the way when you go four-wheeling and with guns and looking for deer i guess and whatever you want to make sure you're drinking and doing meth at the same time also because it's no fun otherwise the drinking i get obviously yeah but the the meth you're going that seems like a specific time and place thing yeah no no this is a sunday afternoon four-wheeling and gunplay thing you just do a bunch of meth class dicks gunplay and deer yeah that's right so at some point here they're four-wheeling uh the three of these guys drive over to a woman named tammy steel's house where they continue to party. Yeah.

So they're coming from the woods and they're like they're coming in to party from the woods with their booze and meth. Tammy Steele's house. Tammy Steele. We're going to Tammy's house. She sounds like a porn actress. Tammy Steele. Yeah, she kind of does. Tammy Steele sounds like a long suffering trailer wife.

Oh, yeah. Who's been, you know, he's just been arrested so many times. And every time he goes i have to take all the money we have to bail him out and then how am i gonna pay the bills that month and the kids ask me why we ain't got but no electricity to see for tell him every time when he leaves the house now i don't want to get no call from the law i don't want to get no call from the law now that you don't have to pick you up he leaves the house i'll tell him you're gonna change your ways you better change your ways you better change them ways now evil evil ways so yeah this is fucking amazing so tammy uh jesus christ while they're there troy's wife michelle calls him

on the fucking phone and goes hey dickhead you remember you're married right and the shit tank still broken you stupid fuck if anyone needs a wife it's this guy he needs that wife he needs a wife to go hey stupid what are you doing why are you not home or fixing the fucking septic tank those are the only two things that are acceptable for you right now you dumb fuck you stupid asshole that's what she should be saying uh she calls him while he's at the party and after speaking to her he says he tells everybody else that he doesn't want to go home that night no i ain't going home tonight he literally gets off the phone and goes i ain't going home tonight fuck that she's being a bitch he's already mad she's all mad she's like no septic tanks and methamphetamine it's like come

on why aren't you going home well she's already's already mad now. If I just stick around, she's just going to be still mad. I'm not saying I'll be any madder. You know, at best, maybe she'll cool off. Or she'll get madder. Or I could be higher when I meet her, which either way advantage Troy, is what I'm saying. So we're going to do this right now. So this is fucking funny. So at this point, Troy starts kind of, I guess, I don't know if the phone call triggered him talking about his problems or whatever, but he starts getting into his problems.

And he's like, hey, I'm not going home tonight. And she's being a pain in my ass. And he starts mentioning that his business is not doing very well. And, you know, it's just he's been struggling and the wife's on his ass. And, you know, he's got fucking tractor leans or whatever the hell's going on. He's got a lot of problems. So he does meth, you know, issues. But at that point, too, he thanks Shane and Stacy profusely for their attempted help with the septic tank.

He goes, guys, you know what? That's two days you guys spent trying to fix a septic tank, even though you didn't really come the second time. You came, but we sat around and really didn't do anything thank you guys so he thanks them profusely and everything this tammy woman said while they're at her house everything was great and he was just you know you guys are true friends even though i've known you for 72 hours but it's in a row we've been awake the entire time so it's it feels like longer in meth years it's longer is what i'm getting at feels like forever that i met you guys a long ago i measure could be because i haven't slept maybe how do you say elongates things is what it is it feels like i've known you at least

seven to nine years our relationship is certainly oblong that's beautiful so he's always thanking them so at some point here tammy's sister a woman named danielle comes over and a little while later uh paul zastro contacts the group and asks if troy would bring him some beer from traditions so this is weird i guess i don't know if they don't have money or if the stores are closed or what he's trying to door dash him he's trying well no he's saying will you go get beer from your bar and bring it to us door dash it to me yeah i guess but it's you instacart me yeah exactly yeah yeah totally instacart my shit yeah instacart by the way it's a great product we use it all the time it's wonderful so i do we have a promo code somewhere look it up so uh yeah they go they go there shane and danielle at this point troy says

he will so troy shane and danielle who is tammy's sister go by traditions and then they go over to zastro's where with the beer where they continue to drink and do a shitload more meth obviously and you know that sort of thing and they they're drinking with Zastro and Zastro's girlfriend. Now, while they're gone, Tammy says, because Stacy stayed behind. While they're gone, Tammy says that she and Stacy had sex while they were gone, while everybody else left. They had some trailer sex. And she says that the condom Stacy was wearing broke and they couldn't find it. Now, if it broke, what do you?

Yeah. Did it break off of him? Did it disintegrate in her vagina? Yeah. Or how long was that in your wallet, Stacy? If it broke, did the whole did the bottom of the bring part break? Because that's not the part that breaks. Usually it sticks.

And then you find the other. You see that. But apparently the whole thing's gone. She went in up to her elbow looking for it apparently and couldn't find it. I don't know. She said it was gone. It was broken.

She said it broke and they couldn't find it. It broke. I can't find it. And everything tastes like latex. All right. She just shull shrugged and said, all right. That's right. That's just another Saturday night in the trailer park.

I think it doesn't matter so shane danielle and troy all returned to tammy's house uh there to party more all through the night with with uh with uh you know his brother and everything like that stacy so this party does not break up until after 5 a.m so they're partying all night this is a long fucking weekend of party and these people have just met three days ago this is a really heavy yeah fucking you know bonding time they really hit it off they really have well meth will do that for you it really makes you you find something in common with somebody when it's meth yeah hey meth well it's hard to find people to do that meth Meth and a vague interest in deer hunting? It's real easy to find them.

Yeah. It's less easy to bond with them. That's the thing, yeah, because you have to. You can point them out pretty easy. Well, yeah, yeah. And then, you know, they don't want to even talk to each other. They'll be like, ew, gross. So once, that's awesome. After five, Shane, Stacy, and Troy leavemy's house in shane's truck okay after they leave her house

shane drives them all to sonia khan's house sonia khan is 21 years old and she is the best anyone can figure out is that she was a waitress somewhere where they hung out and they knew her vaguely that way but they knew her well enough to go to her house at 5.30 in the morning and pick her up. So I don't know. Like I said, meth is a hell of a fucking thing.

Bonder. It'll bond you. It'll motivate you. It'll motivate you. So they drive, they go pick up Sonia Khan. Sonia sits in the front of the truck

between Shane and Troy and Stacey sat in the backseat of the truck on the passenger side over there. So they drove around for a little while, and they eventually end up in a kudzu field that all of them knew. The Walters knew it. Even Sonia Khan knew of this place,

but Troy was unfamiliar with it. It's overlooking Lake Hartwell, which is around there it's a big lake uh lake talk with james and jimmy we're gonna discuss small rural south carolina lakes and what's good to catch fish in there what do you think jimmy the crap of the crappie biting this time of year yeah i can see the trout what do we get in there what do you think we going live as a spinnerbait what are you thinking chartreuse what color Are we going live as a spinnerbait?

What are you thinking? Chartreuse? What color? Is this a powerbait situation? Is this a glitter lure? What are we doing here? Yeah, how is this? I like a spinnerbait.

It's nice for bass. Get a good rig on there, and you can catch all kinds of shit all day. Everything now. I just like the trolling part of fishing. That's my favorite part. It's fun. I love that. I like sitting there. A slow putt around the lake, drinking and smoking. See there you're watching that line on the back and stoned and

you're like no man if you're stoned enough you can really become one with the fish kind of like the guy with the deer yeah but it's different because i don't think me and the fish know each other but i feel like i can feel that line yeah and i'm i'm tied into the whole system man i'm getting so drunk on a boat with a few lines back there that we're just trolling and talking and then we make a few passes on the lake we're like we should check these then we look back there and there's definitely fish on there and they're dragging dead fish behind you fucking weeds stuck to them and shit that is shit there's no i think we have to throw them out now i I think we did it wrong. I think these are shark bait now.

I think that's what this is. We fucked it all up, man. Try again next time. Maybe we'll do better. So back to the hillbillory here. So he says, this is Troy's story. From this point on, he says, once they get in the field, the atmosphere in the truck changed, is what he said.

Everything changed, he said. truck changed is what he said everything changed he said and this this is this is what he said now might as well just say it in his words because they're funnier so you know normally i don't want to give like i hate to give idiots voice but when they're funny and sorry it's better it's more embarrassing if we use his words and make fun of them i feel like that's less empowering to him so uh this is what he says he says quote when we got to the top we parked and i believe there was some beer opened and sonia handed stacy some what i believe to have been some more methamphetamine this is amazing i love his statement trying to sound intelligent while saying that one chick passed another chick some meth right that's i believe

from what i had believed at the time to contain methamphetamine right shut up a guy that just used it for the past few days it was more like stacy go give sonia some crank all right because i'm gonna i'm coming down brother fucking man i can almost get my dick hard so we really got to start the cycle again i want to really just make it impossible so he says that he says quote stacy was fixing it on a cd case which is very 1997 fixing your meth on a c when's the last time meth was fixed on a cd case i am fucking limp biscuit cd it's kind of nostalgic yeah i think it was probably or like a corn cd or something yeah i feel like that's what it was i feel like these guys Black, so that you can see it all. Yeah, yeah.

Put it on the Black album. Yeah. But not that nothing else matters, because that's for pussies. It's these guys, I feel like, definitely. So she's fixing it on a CD case, which we've all been there. We've all fixed meth on a CD case at 6 o'clock in the morning in a kudzu field, right? With strangers, after you've tried to fix a septic tank but instead done meth all weekend.

I can't fix a septic tank, but I can fix this. I can fix this up. And he said, quote, and I said to Shane, I said, quote, are there any deer here? Where are the deer? He didn't answer, but Sonia did. The girl that they picked up here.

She says, quote, there ain't no deer here. This is a scattering field you're getting a blank look for me i don't know what the fuck a scattering field is he says quote i didn't know what to think of that then he says i guess i just let it go and i didn't think much more about it and i i started a conversation about the restaurant shane and i had talked about him knowing someone that could help me that wasn't a bank. So he's been, these new people that he just met

that he's been doing meth with. He's telling him his financial situation? Yeah, he's having trouble and he's literally, Shane's like, I know a guy who's not a bank who can lend you money. So Shane has turned him on to a loan shark.

Yeah. A southern loan shark, which I don't know what the fuck. I don't have a character for that. No. I just reached in my bank of whatever to pull out a character i'm like you opened a filing cabinet it's empty yeah i did i pictured the guy like you know toothpick in his mouth flicking a nickel from like a bugs bunny cartoon that's a lot and i'm like no that's not a southern and i'm like maybe

it's like a boss hog type character possibly but not him either why it didn't quite ring true to me i don't know so i don't know who that is he is a terrifying man though he absolutely is you don't want around he said they don't even say what he is they just say a man someone that could help me that wasn't a bank that sounds really shady the old man with his dick out technically i'm not a bank technically you're not about anybody technically is really not a bank so So he said, and I asked him a little more about that. And he told me that he had worked out that he had that worked out and that I didn't have to worry about that. So they just met, but he's already got his financial situation. It's already squared away.

This is meth talk at six o'clock in the morning. Kudzu, whatever the fuck field. Scattering field. It's a scattering field is all it is. So he says says that's when stacy handed shane a cassette case they're still cassettes now they're down to cassette wow they're downgrading their audio quality using like the cd to like get a bunch of it and then like everybody gets a cassette everybody gets their own here you go you get white snake white snake

you get uh canny rogers christ Rogers Christmas. That's a good one. You're lucky. You're so lucky with this Kenny Rogers Christmas. And you talked about, we already discussed it. Who wanted the poison open up and say, ah, you? All right, there we go. So as he says, I asked him a little more about that. That's when she handed him a cassette case with some, what I thought to be methamphetamine on it.

And he keeps saying that like, it's like he doesn't know what meth is and that they're all doing what I what I believe to be methamphetamine. I gather you're doing meth. He said, quote, he held it for a moment and passed it to me. When I got it, it still had four lines or four piles of powder on it in case the police don't know what a fucking line is. I don't think there's a police department rural enough to not know what a line is. In context of he handed me some meth and it was broken up in that fashion. So he said, I thought it was strange that there were four and it had been passed through the other three. So that's what he said.

He didn't thought that was strange. And he passed it to me. He asked me if I had ever wronged anyone. And said no what do you mean by that and he said quote then he said have you ever wronged your uncle ronnie that's that's his claim now so now this is when it gets weird okay yeah by the way before none of this this none of this is weird this is weird at all this is a normal saturday this is when he claims that it gets real strange. And if any of this is true, this is a fucking odd turn, I would say. A super odd turn here. So have you ever wronged your Uncle Ronnie?

He said this was a weird thing. Strange little questioning. Yeah, from a stranger. So Troy says that question, quote, struck fear into his soul. Oh, struck fear into his soul. struck fear into his soul oh struck fear into his soul so uh troy obviously and his father both didn't like ronnie and thought ronnie was a ruthless guy and ronnie is known as a drug dealer and a drug smuggler and sort of just a bad dude basically and so uh at that point this is what troy says troy says that shane said that said that he and Ronnie had this thing worked out.

So now Shane saying he knows his uncle Ronnie is what he's claiming here, that he had, quote, had this thing worked out and that he had gotten money from drugs in Florida. Shane did. Shane said that he all he had to do was take care of me, meaning Troy. And then Shane said, it's time to get this over with. So, he's saying that basically his uncle has hired them to kill him, is what it is. This is all an orchestrated hit.

They're wasting drugs on their target? On their target. Well, the thing is, too, and this is known, one thing that mafia people do whenever they kill anybody, you have to fix their septic tank first. I think that's...

At least try. It's mafia law. It's one of those things you can't fuck other guys' wives, people do whenever they kill anybody you have to fix their septic tank first i think that's at least try it's mafia law it's one of those things you can't fuck other guys wives you can't you know you're not supposed to sell drugs out in the open do blah blah and also you you have to fix their septic tank before you kill them that's really pretty standard shit i think everyone knows that so yeah he says that uh uh it's time to get this over with. He says then, quote, then he pulled out the gun and told me to get the hell out of the truck. Stacey had had me around the neck and had a knife in his hand. And he said, quote, we're going to make you squeal like a pig, boy. So that's OK.

That's some southern threats. That is some deliverance, literally deliverance. Verbatim. Verbatim. Deliverance threat. That is the universe. Squeal like a pig when you have someone in the woods with a knife to their throat is a universal ass rape scenario is what he's getting at here.

So Sonia then says, quote, yeah, baby, make him squeal like a pig. This is what Troy claims. So she's into it like fucking Juliette Lewis over here. She's rooting this on for some reason. That's gross. But the thing is that they're not even known to be together or anything like that. So he says, though, she said, Yeah, baby. It's like this openly together.

Like they're a trio of like they kill and they fuck and they do meth. And this is like the thing they do on a Friday night type of thing. This is what he's trying to say. So we're going to make you squeal like a pig boy. So this has gotten very Southern, very fast. And they're all in the cab of the truck still saying this. This is all in the cab of the truck. Okay.

He says, quote, I lunged for the gun and the gun went off. I was able to get the gun and I just shot. I just shot. I couldn't say which direction into their heads. Yeah, I would say. That's pretty good. Your instincts are phenomenal. I shot until it wouldn't shoot.

I opened up the driver's door and I pushed Shane and Sonia out of the truck. I heard what sounded like another door slamming i looked on the seat and saw the other clip for the gun was there and i put the other clip in the gun i couldn't get it to work i couldn't get the bullet to go in and i remember trying to get it to work and bullets coming out and i remember it going off that's what happens when you shoot them the bullets come out right that's the i've never asked i've that's what happens when you shoot them the bullets come out right now that's the i've never that's it's really speed at that point it's the only real distinction between them just coming out of your pocket or a gun in a firing manner i've never ever heard someone who described

described shooting someone as quote the bullets coming out i've never heard that at all have you ever heard that and then bullets came out and then bullets came out and then it's weird right because it puts the onus on the bullets at that point like it was their independent your fault their independent decisions to jump from the gun and die you know embed themselves in other people's skulls what the fuck he thinks he's got a framed roger rabbit yeah that's exactly what it is they have a mind of their own these things you know how it goes with these bullets nowadays. They just don't listen.

They go out when you tell them to stay home. You're grounded. And they go, no, I'm going in his head. I'm going in a meth addict's head. So he said, then I got out of the truck to see what it was that I may have heard. And I couldn't see anything. I went around and pulled Stacy out of the truck. So i went around and pulled stacy out of the truck so he went around he pulled stacy out of the truck he says i got in the truck and got the

hell out of there i thought i was going to be raped and killed okay so he says once he's out of danger how he felt you know out of danger away from the area he claims he became concerned for the safety of his father and his wife he said well if uncle ronnie put a hit out on me with fucking methi the septic tank fixers then uh well he's obviously gonna kill my whole family i mean duh this isn't meth paranoia speaking at all or anything like that so he said by the way he's been doing meth for three fucking days when he went to the police station he was still probably flying sure or at least in a bad state he didn't realize he was covered in blood yeah that's the other thing so he said he left the field in shane's truck and called his father from a cell phone not his just a cell phone might have been his he says that he

drove directly to his father's house and he got his father and he and his father got into his father's truck and they drove to his own house to get his wife. I got to go get my wife. She's already mad at me for being out, not fixing the septic tank and doing meth all weekend. Wait till she hears about this. Which honestly, that's a pretty good excuse of why I didn't come home.

Some rednecks took me in the woods and tried to rape me, I think is a... And look at me, I killed them all. And I killed all of them, God damn it. No wife can say, they'll be like, well, all right, that's fine this time. But next time, call. I like that they took Pop's truck because I guarantee you he was like, come on, quick. We got to go get the wife.

And he walks out. Let's let's take my car. Let's take the one not covered in other people's brain matter. What do you say? How's that sound? Yeah. So they go to get Michelle. say how's that sound yeah so they go to get michelle at that point troy uh told his wife that ronnie had tried to kill him which that's all just what he said he said ronnie tried to

kill him and then he shot three people defending his life and told his wife quote it was a scene out of deliverance so he's seen he knows what he's talking about he has seen it yeah uh now from his house he his father and michelle all drive to the Seneca Police Department where we started, where Warren walks in and says fucking... Put the donuts down. Boy, do I got a show and tell for you. Think about poor... Now you've heard Police Chief Lee.

That's why I wanted to set the scene earlier of him with his feet up on the desk reading the newspaper with a Danish and a thing. And this walks in not just a guy not just a three days worth of meth and brains on his fucking shirt walks in to confess to this mess oh god this is like a hurricane so the autopsies here stacy's autopsy reveals that he was wearing a condom at the time of his death he found it okay put it back hey there it is here it is for safekeeping which he says yeah hey that's where i keep it on my dick how about this though kids packing so hard that he can keep one on his lip dick well that's impressive no it's not

they're so fucking tired are you kidding me it's gonna stick on all right listen to you you braggart i'm not a braggart it's like it's meant to hold yeah but you put one on i don't know two three fingers they're not really gonna stay on very well i got little hands bigger fingers i don't know so stacy here uh he says that or the stacy thing says that there's a the condom is he's wearing a condom at the time of his death which troy says see i told you he was gonna rape me he put a fucking he was that He was that ready to rape me that he came wearing a condom. He goes, I'm going to rape that guy later. I better put this on now for safekeeping. Who the fuck keeps a condom on ahead of time?

Hold on. You know what? In a couple hours, I'm going to put it on now just to be safe. If you take your pants off, there could be a lot of reasons you took your pants off. Do you have to piss? Oh, there's a condom on yeah it's super weird to have a just keep a condom on i see what you're doing the weirder thing is what the state claims neither of these things make sense that he would have it on ahead of time to rape him doesn't make sense and it also doesn't make sense what the state says the state says no no he didn't put it on

then to rape the guy't put it on then to rape the guy he had it on earlier it's the same one he used when he was banging tammy earlier in the night yeah who the fuck who's okay who's having sex and he's like i'm just gonna stop for a while aren't you gonna take that i'm leaving on just because we're gonna get back into it later i'll just keep it on i'm gonna go out hunting and in the kudzu fields for a while and then i'll be back and i'll probably stick it in you again so i don't want to waste it you know what i mean or if he did finish and then he's like you know if i take this off there's gonna be a mess and you know i may as well just keep it it's all confined right now the other thing either he didn't finish and he just

stopped midway through and he's like well i ain't wasting a condom these are a dollar 19 or so i didn't even how cheap is a meth head i didn't even bust my nut in this thing so it's gonna be used until it is full of semen let's just say that at one point let's hope i fuck before i piss yeah let's just hope fingers crossed have a good one i'm gonna go out in the fields now. This is what happens. So either one of these scenarios are fucking ridiculous, but one of them is true. That's the crazy part. Has to be.

One of them has to be true. It's an autopsy. Yeah, it's an autopsy. They would usually document condom still on guy full of semen. Full of semen. They didn't say anything about being full of semen. So that's the other. I guarantee you are right.

Yeah. He just looked down and was like, well, I can't keep fucking because my dick doesn't work because I'm messed up. Yeah. But, you know. It's going to work eventually. My dick is messed up right now, but eventually it won't be messed up. It's going to come around. And then I'll make a mess.

Yeah. And then this dried out fucking condom has been rubbing on my pants and zipper. That is real high hopes that you are going to fuck again before you piss. That's amazing, isn't it? That's incredible. I don't even know what to say about it. This is the part of the story where I'm like, what was that? It was right in my eyes.

It was like four in the morning. I'm like, what am I talking about? This is what I do for a living? What am I doing? about this was the part of the story where i was like my eyes it was like four in the morning i'm like what am i talking about this is what i do for a living what am i doing it is because he's so cheap he didn't want to waste it but that's that's disturbing what's more disturbing is my job is to try to figure out why a meth addict did he was he going to rape another meth addict or was he just being cheap like that's what i that's what my fucking job that's what that's what we do for a living this is our job jimmy to figure this out that's the more disturbing thing here so so yeah he's got wow he's got a condom on when he dies. And the only third option would be, Troy said, the only way my story is going to work, how

do I get evidence if they were planning to rape me? I'm going to go put a condom on that dead guy's limp dick, which is probably even more disturbing than the other two. It's going pretty far. That's going far. If you shoot a guy in the head and then pull his pants down, put a condom on his limp dick and then put him back up again so the autopsy looks normal and then goes normal and then goes all right perfect all right and then leave that's even more fucking disturbing so yeah uh that's what ends up happening there by the way uh sonja khan had a

three-year-old daughter at the time of her death i mean joking aside it's all funny and condoms and craziness and meth but she had a three-year-old daughter and stacy walters has two sons ages three and one so i mean that's just these are a lot of three small children without parents now that's brutal shit so uh yeah this is uh jesus christ man this is uh he tells the story he tell when he takes him to see the bodies he repeats the story and he says they told me i was gonna have to fuck they were gonna make me squeal like a pig I figured this was a threat of you know rape so I shot them he said you know

they said that and his thing is how of course I couldn't have known he had a condom on so you know obviously my story checks out which or he's just cheap or like I said he put a condom on a dead guy which any of those things are possible the way this story which any of those things are possible. They're all there.

The way this story goes, any of those three are as plausible as literally anything else that could possibly happen. He could always wear a condom. That might just be his thing. That might be his, I don't know. That's it. Yeah. His, like, toothpick in his mouth. Negro League, minor league baseball cap.

Exactly, yeah. That's your thing. That could be his thing. Or somebody has a toothpick in their mouth. They always keep keep in their mouth his wallet chain yes and the name of the league is the negro league so don't text no that's literally what it's officially because it says it on the tag on there there's really no what thing else you could call it it would be disrespectful to the men who played there so go fuck yourself

anyway because i knew somebody would do the jimmy say Negro? In that context, it's fine. God damn it. So shut up. So anyway, this is... He's wearing a condom. I don't know what's... It's ridiculous. It's his thing. I'm going with that's his thing. It's his thing that he does.

You know, Stacy always got a condom on. Changes every time he pisses. You know, when you got game like Stacy, you never know when it's time to fuck. It's time to fuck. He could have gone around can have gone around something it's always dripping she's like holds it all he could have some anything she's like oh you have to will you put a condom on he's like already wearing one sweetheart way ahead of you spread them let's go i'm here for speed and efficiency now how long it takes to put a condom on what i'm trying to take as little time

of your day as possible four seconds now when you're in a gas station bathroom you need to do it quicker than that so yeah yeah this is wow this is crazy shit so uh like i said the state uh the state and the police are saying what it could have been the same condom from before whatever uh so when they got to the police station like we said he says he tells his uncle that he tells his dad that his uncle was behind it it's at that point that the uh one of the investigators conducted a test to determine gunshot residue on his hands which he already said i shot them so it didn't fucking matter and uh burkhart told the cop at that point quote you're not ready to see what i've done so he's saying it's a quite a graphic scene. An investigator here says that Troy was trying to show him where the bodies were,

because he kept telling them that they kept saying they were going to take care of me. They were going to take care of me. He said, they just turned on me, is what he tells the cops when they're going out there. The pathologist here, Brett Woodard, said that he found six gunshot wounds on Shane Walters body Stacy Walters twice in the head and Sony con we talked about so there now he's indicted obviously

for murder of these people he's indicted with three counts of murder and also three counts of possession of a firearm during the commission of a violent crime which is an aggravator which makes him very eligible for the death penalty in South Carolina. So he says, though, he is pleading not guilty and claiming self-defense. They were going to rape me.

Look at the condom. So that's his whole case. My uncle Ronnie told him to rape and kill me, which is a really weird. That's a really vicious uncle. That's a rough uncle. That is a real. He's like Marcellus Wallace. Even Marcellus Wallace was fucking nicer than that.

He let Bruce Willis have a pass afterwards. You know what I'm saying? Like this guy, we would have turned around and killed Bruce Willis, too. So the state says that the shots. This is the big thing here. The state says that the shots this is the this is the big thing here. The contrary to what Troy says, the state in their medical examination says that the shots that killed Shane and Sonia were fired after they were already incapacitated and lying on the ground outside the truck. So his I shot him, didn't know what I was doing.

They were all dead. I pulled him out and just left him there. That's not medically or scientifically possible. He shot them out there, at least two of them, and that he stomped Sonia and Stacey with his boot after he shot them, based on the forensic evidence also. Which, if it went down the way he says it went down, there's no stomping at all. So the state's pathologist who said that said that they obviously, because they always say this is a pathologist will never say uh this is exactly what happened factually definitely you could say could aliens have come down and he'll go maybe who knows i wasn't there all i know is they have this many gunshot wounds and this happened here that's all i don't know who did it or why or how

so they uh they they asked him could you know could you rule out self-defense and he said no could have been. I don't know. But he definitely shot him while they were incapacitated. I don't know. But you're the lawyer. You tell me whether that's defense or not. I'm just telling you how he got shot.

So they said also in view of the amount of drugs and alcohol consumed by everybody, because everyone's systems were just bubbling with drugs and alcohol when they took blood tests here. He said, who knows? You know, could have been. we don't know the way it all went down who the hell knows the defense pathologist though says that the shootings could have occurred exactly the way he described he says that they might not have been shot outside whatever so the state says well tell you what we're going to go ahead and seek the death penalty on this one uh they're going to seek the death penalty and they have to have aggravating circumstances the uh the prosecutor said we always give the greatest consideration to the victim's families in this case we had two families and they were very much in favor of the death penalty so they said there the the walters

brother's mother said that the death penalty is warranted she said quote the killer needs to die he killed three innocent people okay wow so she wants some fucking vengeance here that's some baptist that's that's of some baptist shit right there that's definitely baptist i for an eye you betcha this is this every fucking sunday this is all they talk about i want to put into practice which hey you know what that's what you believe go for it so uh he says that uh his attorney said that they don't believe uh that uh they believe they do believe he has a valid defense they said quote troy and his family deeply regret the incident that happened that's that's cool it's light the incident that happened that's a lot of gunshot wounds call it

an incident it's a real incident one gunshot wounds an incident because that could be an accident an accident could be an incident it's true but a slaughter can't be an incident no accidents incident it's an event it's certainly an event not an incident yes and it's it's got food boots you know what it is it's event plural blow ups it's got blow ups and face face painting for the kids and everything going on yeah when you have that many gunshot wounds, it's really, there's circus clowns and balloon twisting and shit. So, yeah, he says the event that happened, incident that happened here,

and has asked that I express their regrets to Shane, Stacy, and Sonia's family, is what his attorney said. Then he says, quote, we are confident that when all the facts are known, that Troy will be found innocent and he and his wife, Michelle, can go on with their lives. So he said, we are super sad

and we express regrets to their family that their meth-addicted, rapist, hitman children had to be killed. So you just said two completely opposite things. If it went down the way he said, he should be like, fuck them. They raised rapist hit men fuck that family that's what he should if someone tried to rape and kill you in the woods wouldn't you be like fuck that motherfucker yeah he deserved to fight fucking had to kill him they're trying to gang rape me what are you crazy like that's

yeah but again you have to be i guess a lawyer can't say that no my my client would like to uh enter into a statement of fuck them. Fuck their mother. That's it. Fuck the victim's mother. And he says the grandmother, too, for good measure. I'm not sure. That's a statement.

She might be a rapist, too, he says. He says she could have taught him everything. We're not positive. So March 6th, 2000 is the beginning of the trial. This trial will last two weeks total, which is a pretty good trial. It's quick, though. It's pretty quick compared to OJ, but compared to an usual trial, they go by pretty fast. I feel like here the jury was just like, one more time.

Run that over again. Can you play that again, sir? This is better than a soap opera. This is crazy. This is like an episode of Reno 911 in real life. Truly. So it's a nine- three man jury here so uh the prosecution show they showed that in their opening here they showed that troy had to reload his 45 so that's a reloading is a thing that's a you you didn't even assess no you reloaded. Yeah. Like, when you ran out of bullets, when you were changing your clip, were you still being attacked?

Right. No? Then you don't have to shoot anymore. So that's the thing. Yeah. So that's what they're trying to say. They're saying he went on a shooting spree inside and outside the truck. Shane Walters, they say, shot six times, one to the back of the head.

Stacey was shot in the right temple, right cheek, like we said. Sonya was shot three times, including right temple and through the left eye. Now, the defense, narrow opening here, his attorney, Johnny Fields, he tells the jury, quote, All of a sudden, something changed in that kudzu patch. One of the Walters brothers grabbed Burkhart by the neck while the other grabbed a gun. There's a struggle. The gun goes off. Burkhart gets it away

and begins firing ladies and gentlemen things changed troy says they turned on him uh so then yeah they said that he immediately called his father he said quote he told his father he had to do it the people turned on him and he had to do it he's going to tell you all the things that happen at the top of that desolate kuzu patch in anderson county south carolina so they're saying it's he had a harrowing just a harrowing experience and he's lucky to be alive that's that's for sure you know he's gonna get on the stand though he's oh they're saying he's gonna in this type of case you have to if you're saying self-defense i killed him but you you have to get up there and say well what a horror you had no choice sure so uh yeah the they found the truck like they said the truck was full

of bullet holes but now troy's gun was found on the front seat two seven bullet clips were also found 10 bullet holes were found in the victims they think 11 shots were fired uh they said he had quote the defendant had to reload before he finished slaughtering these people is what the prosecution said the truck's back window was even uh was open even though it was really cold it's mid-november it gets cold down south and mid-november it snows down there oh fuck yeah it's cold they said it was bitterly cold but the back window was open and they were saying that uh they were speculating that stacy walters was trying to escape the extended cab through the back window when this was all going

on and that's why like he had tried to do that and that was the thing there uh wade khan uh testified here it's sonia's brother he testifies that the walters brothers and another man picked up his sister on in shane's truck in shane's truck at 5 45 a.m about a half hour later he said he saw the truck pull into the driveway again he thought it was his sister coming back but nobody came in after a few minutes the truck left he says quote i'm sure as i know my name that he saw that that the truck came back for a second time i don't know what the significance of that is exactly i'm not i'm not positive but apparently they they he troy must have drove the truck there I don't know if he's just backtracking.

Who knows? Why would you stop at the person's house? It's really weird. I guess maybe so then the truck could be seen there. So he could say, I don't know. I dropped her off. Somebody must have grabbed her on the way up the driveway. I don't know what to say.

So it's a theory. I don't know. So the defense here on cross-examination when he's on the stand, troy is by the way denying all the accusations he says quote i did not stomp anyone and i did not shoot anyone on the ground and uh he describes it as a five second fight for his life against three people he said shane stacy even sonia jumped on him to take him they turned into an elite tactical hit squad as soon as tactical rape squad rape and hit squad as soon as they got to that patch. It was like all fun and games.

We were doing meth off of CDs, and they got to the patch, and it was like all the air got sucked out of the truck. Now it's rape and kill time. It was like when the Sopranos, when they got pussy on the boat. They were all joking, and once they got out there, it was like, all right, and then they had to talk to him. He's like, what's going on, guys? That's what happened, basically, here.

Elite hit squad. So five second episode, he said he had no choice but to kill them all in self-defense. The sheriff, Gene Taylor, here, he testifies that Ronnie Burkhart, they're talking, he's saying, it's all my uncle orchestrated the whole thing so they bring a sheriff to testify that ronnie the uncle was a target of an extensive local and federal drug investigation including ties to area attorneys and florida lawyers now he says ronnie burkhart also while this is going on ronnie ends up dying in april of 2000 so this is going to become very moot of what ronnie did in a minute here shortly after uh this is kind of right at the end of this trial he dies of cancer now ronnie never testified but all the defense people that testified against him are about him said that he was someone to be feared shortly after marrying ronnie his wife janice was arrested uh was arrested and ended

up having to plead guilty for giving false information to a federal agent about a $390,000 cashier check. Holy shit. So whatever he's doing, he's into something shady because I've never been given a $390,000 cashier check. So, you know, you have to be into something. The state also targeted 1.3 million that was left in the control of various attorneys with more than 260 acres in land parcels throughout the county here that were identified as purchases for drug money laundering. So he was buying tons of land just to launder the money. That was his whole thing. So they were testifying.

They were trying to build the defense that Ronnie was a big drug kingpin and a guy that could order something like this. It sounds like it's possible. It sounds like that's possible. That's the thing. Anything could have happened here. We have no fucking idea. When you throw all the meth in, it's like, who the fuck knows? But the way the science goes down, it seems like he shot people while they were on the ground incapacitated and then stomped on him, which is not good. No.

It just doesn't look good for you. self-defense especially when you say as soon as i got him away from me i just got out of there as fast as i can because i was in such fear for my wife and father like it's different here uh they talk about all these different properties now troy insists that his knowledge of his uncle's operations put him in line to be killed by his uncle he said quote my uncle's own stepson as well as another employee testified they all worked for my uncle and that he in fact wanted me killed so that's what he's saying here now they also asked the sheriff quote the only time you heard about this alleged fear was from the family after the killings occurred isn't that right and the sheriff said yes which i mean was he going to go to the cops even if that was true and say my drug dealing murderer uncle is i'm scared of him what the

fuck are we going to do i'm reading the paper eating this danish don't you see my feet up on my desk jesus christ i'm definitely busy i'm super busy it's can't even do it here so uh yeah they talked about warren and ronnie's fighting over disputes and all that sort of shit and the fact that they got in fistfights in court. And they talked about specific lawsuits that they were involved in with business dealings and everything. One of the people said, Warren puts a lot of blame on Ronnie for his problems. Which happened there. Now, it goes to the jury.

Now, the instructions are important here. I am riveted. At the trial, the judge instructs the jury on murder, voluntary manslaughter, and self-defense. The defense counsel submits a number of written requests for the judge to charge concerning self-defense,

two of which would have charged the jury that the state must prove the defendant did not act in self-defense. Because that's part of the law. If you claim self-defense, that's part of the law if you claim self-defense then the they have to prove you didn't act in self-defense rather than you proving you did act in self-defense right which i mean it's technically the law but in the end you're proving you acted in self-defense if you're depending on that you're going to lose so uh

yeah so they said they must prove that but that's so it has to be specifically instructed that way instead in addition to the basic four element self-defense instruction, the judge charged, quote, the defendant, ladies and gentlemen, is not required to prove defense to prove the defense of self-defense. All burdens of proof in this case are on the state and remain with the state, which sounds like exactly what I just said in legal language. But apparently it's not. Now, the judge did not charge the reasonable doubt instruction submitted by the defense which was you have to find that they did it beyond a reasonable doubt which is the that's the basis for everything that happens in the court or whatever yeah just the law here so the defense council objected that the charge not that wasn't given that wasn't you't given the way they said it and the state uh the state the judge refused to add the charge finding that he'd been given uh

it had been given to be a sufficient light uh to present the law of relating the burden of proof so he basically said they know what i'm talking about they get it they get it but it's there's specific words for a reason so uh uh the the defense council says later on you know this you should really do this because this will be a new trial thing later on uh so all this sort of shit so the verdict comes in the jury deliberates for four hours on a thursday night and they were sent to a hotel they've been sequestered for 10 days it's a small area uh and they deliberated for an hour on friday morning and then they said i'm gonna go fishing this weekend so we're gonna fucking decide this shit this shit

wrap it up uh yeah they do friday morning they return their verdict and it is guilty yeah they convict him of all three counts of murder and possession of a firearm during the commission of a violent crime yeah so he's pretty fucked here uh his sister's there she's sobbing and running out of the courtroom and all that sort of thing his wife left the courtroom with his lawyers and you know also crying and she collapsed outside the door and was you know crying and her mother was trying to pull her up and all that sort of shit uh there was a bunch of his family members were there uh so then we go to sentencing and uh well he's up for the death penalty and he is found guilty of in an aggravated

way murdering three people in a terrible way so he is found for this you sir may fuck off they give him the death penalty for this shit yeah death penalty which is it's kind of a murky thing but okay so there's a 2002 appeal now this appeal is that the trial judge committed reversible error in refusing to charge it's the jury thing that we talked about here uh he argued that it's error and it needs to be reversed and all this sort of shit if there's any evidence to uh in the record to support self-defense this the issue should be submitted to the jury they said a jury charge is correct if it contains the correct definition of the law when read as a whole but then they they look at like five different cases and try to take this apart

and i would think if it wasn't a death penalty case it'd probably be a little less ticky tacky with the language but in a death penalty case you can't take that back so you kind of got to make sure that shit's correct so i i'm okay with that so they said current law requires the state to disprove self-defense once raised by the defendant beyond a reasonable doubt so uh they said that uh that we do we do not believe this is the the appeals uh people here we do not believe the trial judge's self-defense charge adequately conveyed this that the state had the burden of disproving self-defense beyond a reasonable doubt as required it is the substance of the law and not the particular verbiage of a charge that determine

whether the charge is adequate and in this case the trial judge's charge did not accurately communicate the substance of the law so yeah they're saying that's not a good thing here. As noted, they said, though, to warrant reversal, the judge's refusal to give their request to jury charge must be both erroneous and prejudicial to the defendant. Don't worry, the legal shit will be over in a second. There's more craziness. So they go through all of this. They said, clearly, the judge's instruction carries far more weight with the jury than the defense counsel's word in his closing argument.

We cannot assume the jury was able to connect the state's general burden to prove appellant's guilt beyond a reasonable doubt to the trial judge's charge regarding self-defense. When the judge failed to mention the reasonable doubt standard at all and only said the defendant did not have to prove self-defense. The trial judge's charge, only implicitly placed burden on the state and that's not sufficient under the law. Conclusion is his case is reversed and remanded. Oh, boy. New trial for this motherfucker. Oh, boy.

Or at least if they want to try him again, I mean, they can decide to let him go, I guess. But his conviction is reversed here. So March 2004 is trial number two so trial number two uh he just goes through the same thing i went to pick up my wife my father i was so scared oh my god uh he says that he calls sheriff taylor as a defense witness who now testifies again about ronnie who's now dead uh he says that ronnie at one time was an international drug smuggler. This is the sheriff talking in cocaine and marijuana with connections to violent drug lords on cross examination, though. The sheriff stated that Ronnie was very careful in his dealings.

They asked him, quote, Did you ever uncover anything that showed Shane and Stacy were were on any of this inside circle that Ronnie Burkett would have trusted them? And Sheriff Taylor answered, No, there's no evidence that they even knew each other. So that's a thing. of this inside circle that ronnie burkett would have trusted them and sheriff taylor answered no there's no evidence that they even knew each other so that's a thing uh also the the defense tries to get his the sheriff's testimony that uh that shane had been arrested for buying a 16th of an ounce of meth from an undercover agent in december 1995 but the this this ended up being objected to on the grounds of relevance and it was excluded excluded they were trying to say see he bought meth two years ago a 16th of an f so that's less than an eighth he bought a fucking tiny drop of meth two years ago so that must mean

that he's a rapist hitman for my international drug dealer uncle obviously duh fuck i mean look through the jails they're all rapist hit men every one of these people arrested for drug offenses so uh he uh he claims the exclusion of this of uh of this evidence prejudiced him because it indicated a relationship between the brothers and ronnie that would substantiate his claim of self-defense the sheriff also testified that ronnie was out of the drug business by 1991 so that wouldn't have been he didn't buy him from him and that ronnie never dealt in methamphetamine and knew no connection between shane's 95 drug transaction and a guy who stopped selling drugs that weren't the one he bought five years before that obviously so they say uh uh in absence of any killing or absence of any evidence linking any of this shit, he's convicted again.

Okay. So guilty again, fucker. So now there's resentencing. I'll do this again. During the sentencing phase, he objected to testimony by a state's witness who was the director of inmate classification for the Department of Corrections. This is during sentencing. the director of inmate classification for the Department of Corrections. This is during sentencing. This is regarding the privileges available to an inmate

who receives a sentence of life without parole. They're trying to tell the jury that he's going to have this big, cushy life if he gets life without parole, and he's going to be laughing about these dead people. So they said these privileges include access to the yard, work, education, meals, canteen, phone, library, recreation, mail, television, and outside visitors. On cross-examination, the prison guy acknowledged that prison life is, quote, very regimented and is not a country club. They tried to make it sound like it was so nice, and then they're like, let's talk about the other shit about prison.

You don't get to do anything until you're told. Yeah, so you get to sit there and read your mail. Wow, that's a real luxury right so i mean it's better than being dead don't get me wrong that's preferable so uh he also presented evidence through his own witness that prison's a harsh environment with violent predators where his freedom is severely curtailed uh they ignore all of this shit though and he is you sir yes again death okay they've killed him twice now uh two death penalties now uh he decided not to address the jury before it deliberated his penalty which is never smart so after the sentence was handed down he did speak briefly saying that he his only statement was that he quote looked forward to the return of the lord oh boy so i don't know i hope

all this burns down. He just said, you know, end times. Any minute now, he's tapping his watch. Any fucking minute. Now, that's what I'm really looking forward to. This other bullshit, I don't know. I don't know what you guys want to watch on TV or whatever, but end times. All lined up.

Stacey Walter's mother said she was, quote, unmoved by his words. She said, I think he's a really sick person and needs some help well that's goes without saying probably you know the mothers of the other of sonia and and also the walters mother say that burkhart declined an offer from their families and prosecutors to plead guilty in exchange for life so he he could have gotten life and he got and he wouldn't do the deal and so he gets a death penalty so he appeals again uh he appeals again this is a lot about uncle ronnie same shit sheriff taylor testifying that ronnie was out of the drug business yada yada uh they talk about uh this appeal though is about one the evidence that he feels was excluded was that evidence of Shane's drug arrests or Stacy's Shane's drug arrest and how that somehow connected him to the uncle.

And also the prison conditions testimony on the sentencing. That's a big deal. And they say here in legalese, quote, We have long held the evidence in the sentencing phase of a capital trial must be relevant to the character and defendant of the defendant or circumstances of the crime and they go into all this sort of thing here they say uh the uh the jury sole function is to make a sentencing determination based on these factors not to legislate a plan of punishment such determinations at the as the time place and manner and and conditions of execution or incarceration are reserved to agencies other than the jury. Based on this reasoning, we've disallowed the defense evidence regarding the process of electrocution in different cases because people have tried,

in death penalty cases, they tried to bring up how awful electrocution is so the jury doesn't vote for electrocution and they've ruled that you're not allowed to do that so you're not also not allowed to say how great prison is compared to the death penalty so that goes both ways so he said in a recent case the defendant challenged on appeal uh that the admission of evidence regarding general prison conditions and he was let out so they said uh we apply that reasoning here because it's consistent with our long-standing rule that evidence in the sentencing phase of a capital trial must be relevant like we said before they said we note however that the evidence of the defendant's characteristics may include prison conditions if narrowly tailored to demonstrate the defendant's personal behavior in those conditions

so what they basically said was evidence on prison conditions presented during the sentencing phase was irrelevant, should not have been allowed. They said, quote, you can't give the death penalty because the guy may get to go to the library or because he has a television in his cell. That's not what the fucking point is. So the conviction is affirmed. The sentence is reversed. So they got a new sentence.

So now he's got a new sentencing, but the conviction is affirmed. So he doesn't have to do a new sentencing so now he's got a new sentencing but the conviction is affirmed so he doesn't have to do a new trial so 2007 they're going to have another sentencing try hearing in this big and this is a huge deal they're going to drag the families so think about the families of the people who've been shot they've been they came in for a trial and a sentencing and another then an appeal so then another trial and another sentencing and then a fucking another appeal this is like and this has been going on over and over and over again for 10 years. This is 2007. So it's been going on for 10 fucking years now.

Before this, he has a conversation with a reporter. Troy does. And he says now he says, quote, that now he says that there was someone else in that kudzu patch on that night. That's his claim now. And he said that person was his uncle ronnie now he's claiming that his uncle ronnie was personally there and killing everybody he's kaiser soze now this fucking guy so he set up this hit and then when it didn't work he wiped them all out he wiped them all and also that that uh ronnie had people with him also okay to do this

so that's they killed a condom strapper exactly there's got to be a put a condom on that fucking guy needs a condom on us when we kill people we put a condom on their dick you know the fuck you know this gang works unbelievable it's our calling card so troy says quote it's like pulling hair trying to get them to come forward now first of all it's teeth pulling hair is pretty fucking easy as a matter of fact pulling teeth is slightly harder yeah pulling pubes also i guess it's like pulling pubes try you got to reach down their pants and grab them it's much harder he sure made it uh the stereotype of people in the south missing teeth uh yeah much easier to swing at no shit it's like pulling well nobody's really got them yeah that's amazing higher that's no one ain't nobody got teeth now he says about this guy who was with Ronnie, quote, he needs to be contacted.

The past four days I've been trying to get an officer to come down here so I can tell him everything. You've had 10 years to do this. His sister says it's an uphill battle. She says, quote, apathy is our biggest hurdle. It all seems so beyond our control and it's so frustrating. His sister Lori and his wife have both proclaimed his innocence it's all self-defense they say they also hurt for the victim's families obviously they say quote i her sister says i pray their families will have peace she said she's moved back to

seneca to care for warren who's got cancer warren dies in 2010 by the way the father burkhart's wife here michelle also moved back to the county after she was helping a sick sister in Charleston. Now, Michelle says that her husband has now been in jail longer than they were together. Yeah, before he was in jail. Yeah, he said they're still married, by the way, 10 years later. She said, quote, we were engaged for one year and married for five years. And then he's been in prison ever since.

She and Lori have been friends since high school. engaged for one year and married for five years and then he's been in prison ever since she and laurie have been friends since high school uh she says uh you know she met troy back when they were 15 she says quote i pray for mercy and grace every day troy feels like when he is sentenced to life he will be he will be killed in jail troy has told the truth from day one she's trying to say that there's hits out against him in jail she's really in it oh hardcore she's really inside she really believes she believes him yeah she absolutely does it's sweet good for him yeah she believes that he thinks that uh associates of a long dead ex-drug dealer are gonna hunt him down in jail wow for the reason of who knows what the fuck so uh yeah these people here though the

families have had enough they're just tired of it it's two trials all these death sentence like we just talked about they says that they said that there's just they don't feel like there's any justice every time a trial is ordered they're like well what do we just do right so stop fucking things up and giving him reasons to appeal so the the father of the walters guys here so lawrence walters says he couldn't watch another retrial he says quote this trial is no justice i'm not going to sit down there and have them make a mockery of my two sons laying up there in the ground which is understandable also deborah burnham who is who is sonia's mom says she was deeply disturbed here she said quote we don't need this all we've got is all we've got is going to the graveyard and grieving for my child and Shane and Stacy.

I know them boys and they were good boys. And Sonia wasn't with them 25 minutes and she never even met Mr. Burkhardt. And now she's dead. I've lived with those pictures of my daughter's brains being blown out. That's fucking horrible. He said, yeah, he said he said he never met her until that day and only knew her 25 minutes when he shot her in the face three times that's fucking brutal yeah you hear that that's that's awful uh and the father of walter the walter's father says he

can't forget it he says you don't forget to you don't forget a call to go to the anderson hospital and the morgue to identify your sons and you see that they are sickening blue collar and blood is running out of their heads and ears where that idiot shot them. My word. I love that he called them an idiot. It was sweet of him. Where that idiot shot him. That's just something about that makes it like kind of, yeah, that idiot shot my damn kids.

You're like, he is an idiot. Yeah, that's fucking stupid of him to do that. He wanted to swing harder, but he couldn't find the word. Couldn't get it. So July 2007 is supposed to be the re-re-re-sentencing yeah re-re-re no re and then re so be re-re because the first one is just sentencing so re-re two re's yeah two re's here uh this is about a dozen of the all these people come to court and all this type of shit uh now uh the judge here judge nicholson he was on the

bench during the second trial he denied troy's motion that he stepped down from this trial the motion argued that the judge is also hearing a civil case involving uncle ronnie's estate and the father fighting and all this shit so he couldn't possibly be a judge here uh judge nicholson also he denies that uh uh that Troy's request to be relieved of his attorneys. I guess he wants to have self-defense now also, apparently here. Burkhart said it's his uncle, yada, yada, yada. The judge cut him off and he said, we're not here to prove innocence or guilt. I don't want to hear your fucking shit.

We're here to do sentencing. This is a three-peat. Yeah, that's what they do. And the sentencing is said a three-peat yeah that's what they do and uh the sentencing is is uh said to be at this point uh they said that he'd been offered life before and all this the uh the prosecutor said they were prepared to seek a third death sentence but the victim's families jumped in and said don't do it we can't take it anymore fucking we just want closure yeah end it now just tell him tell him life and

we'll fucking because he because the the convictions affirm so it's either life or death and they so if the prosecutor says life they're just going to give him life it's over and it's over and they said life and it's life and so they give him life without the possibility of parole uh yeah uh uh shane's mother here i I guess her aunt, read her statements calling Burkhardt a sorry human being who took her sons, and now she finds herself crying for hours every night. Dead right. And she's absolutely on the money here.

And yeah, Shane's sister says, she read her statement here, she said, quote, about Troy, he should sit in the small cell and think about what he did he took my brother and uncle why is he even given a choice the bible should be our law an eye for an eye something's wrong when the murderer has more rights than the victim okay i i get you're upset i don't want to hear about the bible being our law it's the last thing i want as our fucking law is the bible or any other piece of literature for

that matter anything you name a book i don't want it to be our fucking law unless we've all discussed it and it's called a book of laws that we've all worked out amongst each other one fish two fish red fish blue fish i'm out nothing that was written thousands of years ago can be a law book for the modern society it just doesn't work so sorry hey whether you love the bible or not not saying anything bad about it just shouldn't be the law of the land so uh yeah they uh the burkhart's father his wife his sister were all there but they did not address the court and all that so you sir hey fuck off life without parole 2009 this is fucking terrible vandals walked to the back of a graveyard here and damaged sonia's grave what sonia khan man uh her grave was undisturbed at this point this was in 2009 uh her mother believes the vandalism was a message to her the mother she says it's unsure if it's

related to her daughter's death she said the grave was the only one disturbed among dozens at the church they broke a cement statue of an angel and a solar powered cross between 9 p.m and 8 30 a.m and they said quote it appeared as if the suspect kicked several of the items which which were on the grave over and some of the gravel off the grave site so an investigation's been opened and she says the mother it quote it would take a ruthless person i can't say who or why anyone would do this and they said that there's only a strip of parking spaces that separates the graveyard from the highway which seems like a depressing final resting place jesus and there's no trees to obstruct a view from the highway her grave is at the back of the cemetery and she's buried in a plot with two relatives.

There's no sign that any of the other graves are fucked with. So they were like, why would she go specifically for her? She said the damage has opened old wounds. She said, quote, there's a message from somebody, but I don't know who it is.

So who the fuck knows? In 2010, Troy appeals again. Appeals his convictions and his sentencing, arguing the trial court committed reversible error by failing to conduct an adequate hearing in response to his request to relieve his counsel. Like we said last time, he wanted it, and they said, you know what?

Go fuck yourself. No thanks. They deny it. It is decided without a hearing. Just a piece of paper saying, eat dicks, Troy. Enjoy life without parole. You have taken enough of this court's time. hearing okay just a piece of paper saying eat dicks troy uh enjoy life without parole you have

taken enough enough of this court's time and so that my friends is uh south carolina townville south carolina troy burkhart the walters sonia khan uh what a mess we don't know exactly what happened still no way of knowing it um i mean if we go by uh conviction we know what happened but uh yeah it still doesn't tell the story it doesn't tell the story people are yeah and he did it i know what happened i don't know why because i mean they're if you're up and they hadn't slept a lot up drinking meth for days at a time who knows could have been anything he could have completely he could have completely misconstrued something something could be said as a joke that he took the wrong way and

then he took a gun out. And then they said, hey, what the fuck? And went to grab it. And then there was a struggle. And then he shot one. And then he had to shoot them all. Because then who the you know what I mean? And then at that point, it was out of control.

Yeah. Or they could have said, we're going to fucking do this. I mean, who knows what happened? We don't know. That's what I mean. He doesn't know. Are you fucking Ned Beatty or Tony Soprano? Which one are you? I'm so glad that shit's over, though. Either way, you're ned baity or tony soprano which one are you i'm

so glad that shit's over though either way you're chunky my god either way you're chunky you're chunky and your hairline's not great but that's fine the hair the hair still it's too terrific actor in both cases and you're dead isn't that baby dead uh ned baity yes warren no warren no yeah no wet net i think he's dead i haven't seen him in a long time so if you're not dead ned baity in some fucking movies again. Jesus, you're a pretty goddamn good actor. So yeah, that is Townville, South Carolina. If you like that show, we didn't talk about this at the top of the show to get into.

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