Small Town Murder - #125 - The Shining, But More Quaint in Newry, Maine

Episode Date: June 27, 2019

This week, in Newry, Maine, a picturesque bed & breakfast in the hills of ski country is the setting of unbelievable horrors, as more bodies keep being revealed. The question isn't so much who did it. That is answered quickly by the responsible party, but why did he do it? And exactly what is wrong with this guy? It's an odd story that seems straight from Stephen King novel!Along the way, we find out that Maine people get drunker in the spring, that you must respect someone when they say they'll only tell a story one time, and that maybe you just shouldn't follow trails of blood that lead into the woods!!Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman New episodes every Thursday! Donate at: patreon.com/crimeinsports or go to paypal.com & use our email: [e-mail] Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder & Crime In Sports! Follow us on... twitter.com/@murdersmall facebook.com/smalltownpod instagram.com/smalltownmurder Also, check out James & Jimmie's other show, Crime In Sports! On iTunes, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Welcome to Small Town Murder. murder hello and welcome back to small town murder yay yay indeed jimmy yay indeed my name is james petra gallo i'm here with my co-host i am jimmy westman thank you folks so much for joining us today on another exciting crazy nutty i don't even know what to call it edition of small town murder it's we have a weird story today just a weird it's a weird anytime you dip into maine you start thinking it's like stephen king shit and this is a stephen king story that didn't that stephen king didn't think of because it actually fucking happened. It's a weird Stephen King story. It's like, well, why? That's the thing about Stephen King is those things didn't happen.

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Let's do it. All right. It's gone a trip, Jimmy. I'd love it. What do you say? We're coming up from last week, coming up from down south. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Coming from South Carolina there.

So south. So south in the woods there in South Carolina, and we are going to head north. We're going to go. This is the north-south. Real quickly, lots of people were very upset that we have no idea what kudzu is. You know what? I didn't even- I think it's kudzu.

That's what they were trying to tell us. I didn't even absorb what they wanted me to absorb. No, I. Fuck the pronunciation. We do not care about you, about your invasive weed species that we don't have to deal with because we don't live there. So sorry. It's not everywhere.

It's not. Yeah, I don't know. I've lived in New York and Arizona. It's not in either place that I know of. Never heard of it. So I did my best. Tried to represent the kudzu nation to the best of my ability so uh let's go on a trip we're going up to maine and maine is thought of as many

things all right uh quaint yeah pretty yeah weird cold cold all of those things damp uh i think of lighthouses and lobster and stephen king, because they all take place there. And it seems to fit, because Maine, there's a lot of small towns. And Maine is one of those places that feels like, no matter where you are in Maine, you feel like it's not whatever year you're in, actually. You're like, what year is this? Stephen King nailed it. Is this Stand By Me? Am I in Stand By Me right now?

What the fuck? Stephen King nailed nailed it because just driving down the street in maine it's beautiful oh it's gorgeous for a second you go you know this is fucking weird it's it's weird it's a it always feels gorgeous and a little bit creepy and kind of a weird kind of a weird kind of a cool way too because it feels a little creepy i don't know it's weird in this place this story is like the shining okay went maine the shining goes east that's what we have here it's super weird uh it's newery maine n-e-w-r-y maine it's in western maine this isn't like over by the east coast or anything by the ocean this is the other side up

in the mountains this is a ski area great Great. Ski mountains, Western Maine, right near the New Hampshire border. Kind of if it was a little south more, it would be in the Panhandle. All right. It's heading toward a Panhandle. We'll put it that way. But this is a beautiful picturesque area where people come to vacation and shit. It's two and a half hours to Bangor, Maine, three hours and 15 minutes to Boston, and two hours and 15 minutes to Kittery, Maine, which

was episode 71, our last Maine episode in May of 2018. So it's been over a year since we've been to Maine, unfortunately. This is in Oxford County. Zip code 04261. One of the first. Love those zeros. Start in the corner. Fucking work your way west.

Area code 207. It's a big area this area it's 61 square miles wow because it's woods and mountains and rolling hills and you know roads that go through that it's not like a you know just a little town square with a couple of blocks or anything like that uh the motto here um they don't have much of a motto but they're trying this is uh they should have probably hired a marketing company for this one they have their motto is quote we have a covered bridge so there's that yeah i don't know that's i don't know if the tourists are flocking there but there's also skiing but they're trying like see look at it there it is you can take pictures everybody wants to do that. It's covered. Take your wife there.

She'll think it's pretty. I don't fucking know. She'll go, it's so quaint. You go, I know. That's what Maine is. It's quaint. The whole goddamn place is. It's quaint and creepy at the same time.

An equal mixture. Which quaintness is kind of creepy anyway. Well, it's really just the quiet. Yeah. Because it's beautiful and it's amazing and you'd expect there to be some noise and then you walk outside and you're like other than like a right the ship other than that there's like a blow horn in the back maybe someone pulling up a lobster cage or something other than that out of the water like gordon's fisherman guy yeah

everything's so quiet it's a good point there. This place was first called Sunday River Plantation back in the day. It was settled back in 1781. A lot of these East Coast places are settled a long-ass time ago by Benjamin Barker and his two brothers. They were from Massachusetts, and they also brought some other guy with them who was not one of their brothers. But they're only there about a year when the settlement is plundered by indians oh and they abandoned it they're like fuck this we didn't think it was like that shit back back to massachusetts with us we didn't expect a plundering jesus christ we just fought the british now we're being plundered what's what's going on here but you got a fight in the cold, that is the worst. Oh, God. High stepping through the snow away from...

No. And every punch hurts worse. Oh, Jesus. No matter you take it or you deliver it, it's going to hurt. Arrows and axes probably really hurt, too. All those hurt worse. Yeah. So a John J. Holmes of New Jersey, he purchased the land in 1794, I guess, unaffraid unswayed by plundering yeah he purchased the

land and put his sister's name on the deed which was bostwick so it became the bostwick plantation and uh then wanted or some shit who knows maybe she had better credit i don't know i don't know maybe he's in the middle of a divorce it's's like, I got to hide these assets. I don't want to own a fucking town. How do I hide my assets? I'm asking my lawyer because she's fucking coming for me, man. It's ridiculous. It's just says, you know, back then. And he's from New Jersey.

That's why I gave him that accent. Hey, it's fucking broad. I'm drunk. I got to go all the way to Maine to get away from it. What am I going to take my farm to now? No. So, yeah, it's purchased by him here uh it was renamed uh it was renamed uh uh in 1805 newery because the people who came there then in 1805 were from

newery in northern ireland so they decided yeah we're gonna name this the same shit even though it's completely different. Way different. Not a lot of skiing in Ireland. No. It's not a big ski town. I don't think, anyway. I could be wrong. Not a lot of lobster out there.

Well, it's a very small place. Yeah. So I always see, it doesn't look like it snows much. It looks like it's mainly wet and damp. So I can't see it being wet and damp in one area, like a snowing. There's no giant mountain in Ireland, I i'm aware of also i've never seen many people dancing uh very happy happy and excitedly in the snow yeah and in ireland they dance happy all the fucking time skiing drunk is difficult yeah that's the honest here so even if they had a mountain they'd be like sober is difficult

it's too much so yeah there was a trade route here from portland kind of to new hampshire portland main up to new hampshire that was completed in 1803 1802 and it passed through newery that's how newery kind of uh became on the map i guess farms started to get established there was excellent soil here so that was a good thing the hay was their principal crop oh yeah which is that's just that seems like unsatisfying to grow hay i don't know i mean you gotta have but that i made hay yeah well that's how you fuel the yeah everything that's out there at that like if you if you make like corn if you grow make corn yeah if you grow corn you can like look at a you know you'd be like

look at that that's fucking beautiful this is a field full of hay yeah well how's that great cow's excited but this does nothing for me personally yeah i don't know just there's not nothing uh artistic about it i guess the the hay crop but i guess it's necessary it's essentially the gasoline of the yeah it's needed it's needed and all but it's no fun you can't look at it and go look at my prize winning hay right i refine the fuck out of this hay i grow the largest hay in the county you forget it wait till you see me at the fair i'm gonna show it all off i'm gonna choke your fucking horse with this i'm gonna put it in bales your horse is gonna be your horse's dick is gonna be hard 24 7 that's what this is it's it's part it's

like a aphrodisiac yeah it's basically grinding up a rhino horn except in hay form your horse is gonna be a monster after he's had my hay god damn deer antler and bull piss that's what it is for your horse to drink he's gonna be chewing oh he's gonna be just munching it but jacked up because it's also kind of like a horse uh cocaine so he's really gonna be eyes going looking for something to mount watch it what i'm saying is put your horses make sure they're in the stable when you give them these hay or you know you know don't try to shoo him after you know no no no because he'll fuck you he's gonna fuck your head he's gonna fuck your head like nobody's business ear hole eye hole he doesn't care so i would be careful

be very careful my hay is strong stuff so i guess the slopes of the mountains were good were really nice pasture uh land for grazing animals because of the way the shit grew on the side which was like that in a lot of places there was a sawmill and a grist mill built on the bear river and by 1870 they had a booming population of 4 yeah which is nice there and then later on it became more of a ski place as you know kind of the farming went away and once skiing kind of became a thing and you could just make money from having land yeah it was kind of uh just charge what went yeah it kind of went the other way and people would start building different like bed and breakfast and inns and shit like that classing this shit cater to people and that's what a lot of these old farmhouses turned into inns.

Okay. That's how it worked, and that's where our story is going to take place today. We'll talk about that. In 1960, a U.S. Air Force tanker of the 380th Air Fueling Squadron took off from Plattsburgh to refuel a strategic air command bomber. And this, I guess they were supposed to, this one was supposed to rendezvous with this B-47 bomber at 15,500 feet. There's an aerial fueling area over Newery.

But as the bomber maneuvered into refueling position, a lubrication failure, that's never good for anybody in any capacity, that's going to be bad uh caused the tanker's outboard port engine supercharger impeller to disintegrate now impeller fragment fragments they say leaving the engine caused fuel leakage and the bomber uh burst into flames and broke away from the formation and the whole thing was very very bad the tanker uh took kind of a left turn and it became a spiraling spin as if the whole thing the everything started burning seven miles away 300 people that were at a drive-in theater could see a giant ball of flames go through the air look ma shooting star wow that's a tanker that

is a lot it's a big fucking shooting star holy shit why is it orange right and uh and on fire so the fuselage here impacted a forested slope of granite and caused a fireball so big it was seen 50 miles away wow that's some shit that's a fireball only a few people on board it was a it's a refueling tanker thing but it was uh it wasn't a passenger deal but still sad uh they found the port wing tip in howard pond which was three miles from where they crashed my they found the tip of the thing there was no survivors it was a five-man crew on the tanker no survivors uh i guess the wet vegetation kept the fire from spreading because you're in a mountainous you know kind of moist area but fuel covered the trees from spreading because you're in a mountainous, you know, kind of moist area. But fuel covered the trees and were, you know, there was a lot of trees around that caught on fire from the fuel. And a five acre hillside field was you could see it for years.

They said for four years and years, you could see a big giant five acre place where it was not. Oh, I'm sure. Not correct. And that's a plane. It was messed up. I've seen a plane crash before. You ever seen a plane crash site? It's fucking crazy, yes.

So there's a flying school out here near the Deer Valley Airport. We got a lot of sky, I would imagine. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I watched, there was a girl who was in a plane and it malfunctioned and she took it down. And if she hadn't bounced off a mountain, she would have hit a fucking trailer park and probably wiped the whole shit out. She bounced off a mountain and would have hit a fucking trailer park and probably wiped the whole shit out she bounced off a mountain and landed on her own did we prevent a tragedy

or or do we or create one fucking lady drivers man see this i'm just kidding she bounced off a mountain and landed upside down and she ended up dying of her injuries later she didn't die oh wow really wow they got her out of it and took her to the hospital and then she died uh impressive but again you there's fucking marks on the mountainside and then there's this giant fucking area yeah it is and that's a tiny ass plane yeah this is a huge monster and all the fuel too that's sprayed everywhere and that's what it does it carries fuel on purpose absolutely so uh in this town though I said, it's become a ski resort area. Now, one thing, if you're kind of an ambitious, if you're an entrepreneurial type, this is in March. They put this up.

The 2019 paving bid invitations are up. So if you want to bid on the paving for this town, go for it. They got a celebration for it. It's seeking bids on repairs and paving of the Branch Road. I don't know bid specifications contract information can be obtained at the newery town office during business hours yeah show up at fucking 9 30 at night like some kind of some kind of riffraff looking for bring the kitties we'll have a parade yeah it's gonna be great so you got that and going through the years of this place here, like 1890, they had 343 people.

And in this year, they have 358 people. Not doing great. So it just kind of stays the same. Replacing the ones that died. Sort of, yeah. A few people will leave. A few more will come. It's just weird.

It's up 13% since 1990. So it's fluctuated. But it's also down since 2010. So people have started leaving. I don't know why. Median age here is 48 years old. It's a little bit older. As I can see, it makes sense to me for some reason.

A few more females and males, which is the older population, tends to go that way. All the child demographics, everything under 18, those age groups are all low in terms of representation and all the demographics over 45 are all high okay so it's all the pepperidge farm guy the whole town is just him sitting there going yeah pepperidge farm remembers on a porch this is a whole town on porches with uh flannel and overalls i feel like i don't know making you feel bad about something so uh

the uh married population here is about 56 which is normal with the older people it's a little bit higher uh the single if you're looking at the twice a divorce rate is normal and but half the widow rate which is strange because there's a lot of older people so it's weird they go there and they just went to stephen king town they go there and they don't die and they just live forever and sit on porches and uh to judge you and get divorced apparently if you're looking to party and you're single with no kids and you're looking to mingle this is not the place for you single with no children 0.00 percent of the population so nobody here is single with no children it's banging so no the race of this town this is i think this might be a first race of this town 100 white just white that is incredible all white no blacks no asians no no nobody no hispanic

nothing just white as fuck which is in maine it's like a joke you go ha ha i mean yeah they're about everybody's white they're all fucking white it's super weird uh 18.2 of the people percent of the people here are religious that's super low and awesome i think that's maine though right is maine yeah they're not it's a little it's kind of a liberal but they have certain even the conservatives there it's not like a religious conservatism it's more of just a leave me alone in the woods conservatism. It's a different type of thing. Just keep it to myself. Yeah, it's like 6% Catholic. That's the highest one.

It's the Baptist to the north. But here, it's thinned out. 0.0% Jewish, 0.0% Muslim. Not having the ski town here. Last election, this is a rural area. 39% of the people here voted democrat 52 republican nine percent independent so it shows you that's a lot of independent in this area if you get close to 10 vote and independent that's a that's a lot yeah in the last election though

i don't know if they were independent crazy one way or independent crazy the other way i'm not sure who knows um they're living in the woods. I can't tell you. Unemployment rate here is just under 4%. It's about normal with the rest of the country. Median household income, too, around the whole country, it's about $58,000. Here it is $58,333. Right on the money.

Right on average. All the income groups under $100,000 are higher than they should be, like $25,000 to $45,000 salaries. And everybody over $100,000, all those salaries are lower than they should be. So it's all – but nobody's – it's like people aren't broke, it doesn't seem like, but the average is kind of – It's a bit low. It's all about average, but they don't make nothing, but they don't make – nobody's rich. It's like one of those things. It's one of those – you won't get rich class job but you'll you'll have a nice yeah

they have a nice you'll make 57 grand a year and you can survive and do well um construction is the biggest part of the i guess i think it's a lot of repairs and shit like that and because it's about three times the average of what construction jobs are anywhere else. Otherwise, it's retail trade, obviously, stuff like that. Accommodation and food services is three times the normal because it's a total vacation town. Cost of living here, 100 is average regular par. Cost of living here is 92.3. So it's pretty close. But the home cost, it says it's low, but then when you look at houses, it's not low because you can't find houses at this price.

I don't know if this is just the value, but it says the average home is $145,900. But then when you look at houses, they don't exist. A house of that cost at all just does not exist. They are not being sold? No. And these are a lot of old houses, too. 25% of the houses were built before 1939. A fourth of them.

A fourth of them, yeah. And the story we're going to talk about, the inn, is like 130 years old. My word. Yeah, it's a lot of old. Quaint. Yeah. It's very quaint. A lot of vacation housing used for rental vacations.

More expensive than the average. And if we've convinced you, damn it, to get out on those slopes, we have for you the Newery, Maine real estate report. Your average two-bedroom rental here, if this was real, this would be the way to go, $836, which isn't bad. I found a three bedroom two bath 1972 square foot like cabin looking house with the logs and all that it's kind of in the woods 349 000 bucks it's about as cheap as you're gonna find here for a fucking log cabin any place the house

it's just kind of on the outside looks like a cabin. I found a four bedroom three bath 2760 square foot house. It's kind of less less land and less cool looking. It looks more standard like a house. It's $360,000 for that. So it'd be more it's a little expensive. And then you want to spread out. You've been successful.

You're going to go up here. Six bedroom four bath 4703 square feet house with a pool and a big pool house. An in-ground pool. Oh, boy. For the week and a half that you can swim in Maine in the mountains up there. That's bananas. There's a pool.

$699,000 for this place. Just a shade under a mill. But you got to shove it. A pool in Maine? That is a big fuck you to everybody my frozen puddle i have in the backyard isn't that nice jesus like when they freeze i guess you gotta drain it every yeah back east having a pool an in-ground pool is a whole other procedure yeah you have it's a it's a whole thing you have to do a thing and yeah it's to winterize it's a

big deal yeah it's a big pain in the ass that people do and then to open it and close it every year in phoenix we just go i guess i won't go in the pool for a couple months it's a little chilly and then you don't close shit 65 yeah the cold water's chilly i'll wait till it gets warmer to close anything or do anything uh things to do here uh skiing yeah first and foremost ski ski ski ski and enjoy the quaintness also the sunday river fall festival oh holy shit here we go sunday river fall sunday river fall festival oh got it yeah the sunday river sunday river and they have a festival in the fall all right there we go celebrate the end of summer why would you want to celebrate that in maine it's going to be freezing shit well then tourists will come i guess is how you do it yeah

come sob with us that the snow is coming exactly uh with events and activities for the whole family at the annual fall festival whether you make it a day trip or a weekend getaway yeah see they're constantly trying to push their travel their services yeah we're happy to help you celebrate the best of fall in the western mountains of Maine. They have a 35th annual Blue Mountain Arts and Crafts Fair. So that's going to be big. That's it from 9 to 3. The 5th annual New England Cornhole Championship where they cornhole each other.

And people judge who has the best technique in bending somebody over a porch and telling them that Pepperidge Farm remembers. That's a very silly white people game. That's God, Jesus, I know. This is at 10 a.m., so get out there early. I don't want you to be too drunk yet. Registration's open.

Grab a partner and start practicing now because serious cash is up for grabs with this corn hauling. How much? I'm the best fucking cornholer in this state. Along with the title of New England Cornhole Champion, which is arguably more important than money. It's prestigious. You can't buy that. That's the thing.

You can buy other things. You can't buy being the New England Cornhole Champion. Tom Brady doesn't have that title. He doesn't. That's what I mean. He's got rings, but somewhere there's a fat guy in overalls going, are you the New England cornhole champion? He didn't think so, Tom.

Thought so, Tommy. That's what I fucking thought. Put your fucking rings away. Get yourself a six-pack and you can come down and we can compete on my level. Right. See if you can get my fucking field of combat. Let's see if you can hang. Pretty bitch.

That's right. Grab yourself a cornhole and a fucking 12-pack and let's hugs on tommy let's go let's do it tommy why don't you bring your model wife with you too let's see how she is with the old cornhole bring your kids down here and kiss them on the mouth you fucking weirdo i'm gonna give her a cornhole and you wouldn't believe kiss them on the mouth let's go j. It's $30 per team to enter. So, no joke. That seems steep. Yeah.

$600 cash prizes are up. It just says $600 cash prizes are up for grabs. For the top three teams. I guess $600 each. I don't know. Then they have the Bloody Sunday tent, which I thought was going to be a religious thing. And I was like, oh, no. Here we go.

It comes out. It's actually. Yeah, it's just. It's actually good. It's actually 110 is dedicated to everything. Bloody Mary. We provide the vodka and tomato juice. And you chose shoes from over 25 fixings, including a shrimp bar.

I'm in. Now we're fucking talking. Hell, yeah. That's better. Put some bacon in that. I'm like, oh we're fucking talking. Hell yeah. That's better. Put some bacon in that shit. I'm like, oh, God, this is going to be like some, you go over here if you want to go warship or whatever. Shit, no.

Get hammered over here. We even got shrimp. Enjoy. That's great. So much better. I'm liking Maine. Music festival also they have there at 10 to 3 at the slope side there. From 10 a.m. to 12, it's O.C.

in the offbeats. No. I don't know. And then the next show is Chris Ross and the North. Oh. As opposed to the West or the East or the South. He was nominated for Best Album Song and Live Act of the Year at the 2018 New England Music Awards.

So... I was hoping for some like... You also have to be able to whip up a really nice clam chowder to be eligible for that. So he's very well-rounded. Let's just say that. Do it all in a Patriots jersey. And you have to be wearing a Tom Brady jersey while you do it.

I feel like that's the law and the rules. Or they also have the Spring Festival, which is the same shit, a little bit warmer and with more drinking. Got it. That's that. So no, nothing more needs to be really said about that. Crime rate in this town,

what we are interested in, of course. Crime rate, property crime, is about 20% under the average. It's not a real big crime area here. And violent crime, murder, rape, robbery, and of course assault. Of course, don't forget assault the mount rushmore of crime is about one-third the average so it's way less than the

national average it's super safe very little violence here the property crime i feel like is probably kids fucking around with tourists and shit like that who knows every six months they're planning a new festival it's a lot lot of work. Oh, you get people in there. They trash the place. They don't have time for all the violent shit. They crash their bombers into the mountains.

It's, you know, how it works. So, yeah, it's a very safe town. And that said, let's talk about a murder that took place there. Fantastic. What do you say, Jimmy? Let's get it on.

Let's do this. Wow. This is a weird one. This is very much, like I'm reading this going is this just a stephen king did they're fucking with me yeah what is happening this is just creepy and weird the way it unfolds let's get into it man right now what we have to do we have to go back a little bit in time not too far though but in maine it'll feel like we're going back farther

as we've talked yesterday feels like fucking 12 years ago we're going back to as we've talked yesterday. Feels like fucking 12 years ago. We're going back to September 4th, 2006, which is approximately 1959 in Maine. Right. Maine here. Yeah. Picture. What's his name? The dead Phoenix one. No, he's alive.

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by joining Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts. That was him, right? I think so. Yeah, he was the, uh, he was like the cool one. Yeah. The one who, like, smoked and fucking had problems. And then died in a gutter. And then died in a he was like the the cool one yeah the one who like smoked and fucking had problems died in a gutter and then died in a gutter as the cool kids they often do often do they're cool because their life is a disaster which makes them not give a shit which makes

them cool because they're willing to die in a gutter they're cool because their parents don't care about them so they don't they act like they're crazy people and we go that's cool that kid doesn't care and it's like yeah because he's god he's he's masking a lot of pain you'll see you'll see and then river phoenix dies in a gutter right in both the end of the movie and in real life which that's pretty rob reiner's a prescient bastard to put that on film i know stephen king wrote it but you know and richard dreyfuss for saying it. I'll even throw him in there, even though he had nothing else to do with it. September 4, 2006,

about 5.30pm. This is Labor Day, by the way. This is a holiday weekend in a resort town. It's a relaxing time. This is Monday. This is actually Labor Day. This guy's just pissed he has to work. I'm missing all the goddamn barbecues.

Sorry, I'm missing all the barbecues. I'm going to give him an old-timey main voice. He's very old-timey. He's from the 40s, see? He's dreaming of that fall festival coming up. He's like, oh boy, I'm going to go see Chris Ross. He put on a hell of a show there at the New England festival there. His clam chowder, though, I got to tell you, is a little weak.

I like mine a little thicker. He's a little bland. Work on your roo. I don't know what I'm talking about. Work on your roo. Jesus. What the fuck is wrong with me? So,

yeah, at 5.30 p.m., Trooper Dan Hanson of the Maine State Police receives a dispatch. He's riding around, you know, riding around a picturesque area on a nice holiday weekend.

So he's just, you know, he's expecting a cat in a tree. Yeah. Dispatch. Maybe somebody, you know, ran their car off the road or something. Barbecue girl got too hot. Oh, blew up all over a guy. Jesus. My burgers are ruined.

I told Fred to start using fucking charcoal. If you can't be trusted with propane, God damn the third member of this family. Got to save. So this guy, he gets a dispatch that there's been a report of a, quote, unattended death at the Black Bear Inn. Well, that's an interesting way of putting that. Unattended death.

So he just says, oh, there's a dead person there. It's a body. Nobody saw it happen. Yeah, just we don't know what's going on. Yeah, which I i mean that happens that's police get a lot of calls of an unattended death whether it's somebody in their apartment for a few days or on the street very weird way of saying that yeah well that's that makes sense the official way they put it it's just at that point they just it's a death that nobody saw got it so it's not like somebody go hey bob fell down

and grabbed his chest i think he's having a heart attack. There's a dead guy. I don't know. We found a body. All right. Yeah. They shrug their shoulders. I'm on my way. All right.

I'm on my way. Unattended death. It's at the Black Bear Inn, which is in Newery. This is a seven bedroom farmhouse. And it's picturesque in the hills rolling. Dream. Beautiful. Yeah.

You know, shining weird, you know, main location. So seven bedroom farmhouse. It's 130 years old. This is the meaning of quaint right here. This is what you're looking for with quaintness. So he goes to this place. He gets to the inn. This trooper.

It's, like I said, holiday. He's hoping that maybe someone's going to have an extra bratwurst on the grill farm or something maybe something will be cooking up instead he first speaks with uh with a woman named lee graham and she he's the first one she meets him outside and she tells him that her husband uh charles nielsen has found bodies by the inn, and that they think their stepson, Christian Nielsen, is responsible for this, because he told his father that he had, quote, killed some people. Oh, boy. Yeah, so they're like...

So this went from an unattended death to several unattended deaths, to maybe attended as fuck. Some people, and very attended. Very well attended. an oscar party attended man so bags and all that all that shit yeah it's oh boy the hors d'oeuvres a bloody mary tent with fucking shrimp everything man they had it all so uh fucking north played the gig yeah right oh chris ross was there strumming away at his trophy for best song of the year in New England. Tom Brady jersey kicking right over a corpse, too.

Probably got a splash of blood on it. So we set the stage up behind the corpse, right? Wherever the corpse is, just right there and behind it. That way everybody can hear us while they're attending. This is the most attended death ever. What's going to attend? Matter of fact, what ticket price is going? What are our ticket prices to attend? Matter of fact, what ticket price is going?

What are our ticket prices to attend this death? So his son had told him that he killed some people. So this is the stepmother, Lee Graham. She just says, hey, my husband's, you know, poof, let's get in there. He said his son did some shit. Killed, quote quote some people so then lee graham directs trooper hansen to a couple of men sitting on a nearby bench who is charles the father charles nielsen and uh his son christian they're sitting on a bench uh it's at that point he looks over he sees two men he hears of some people being killed doesn't really know

what he's getting into. Obviously, he could be lured into a trap. He has no fucking idea. So he pauses and radios for assistance here, which I think would be smart. I don't want to be lured into some because no one's going to hear you scream out there. No. I mean, if somebody's hiding behind a tree or something to club you in the back of the head or take a gun from you. The people that are dead, they're already dead.

So let's just get some more people out here. Yeah, it's like a night shift. What's the matter? They're not going to still be dead when we get there. Let's get some more bodies out here. Yeah, let's keep the body count to a minimum. Let's call for assistance here. So it's at that point that he knows there's backup coming,

that the trooper actually approaches the father and son. I guess they look kind of harmless sitting there. They didn't have shotguns in their hand or anything so he approaches and he asks nielsen uh the son quote what what's going on like what's happening because he doesn't know anything he just heard there's a death went there i don't know so what's going on let's see if I can get a story going on. So Nielsen here, Christian, the younger of the son, he's 31 years old. He looks at the trooper's name tag and sees what his name is. It's Trooper Dan Hanson. And he goes, well, I killed some people, Dan. So he said that like you might say to like a server at a restaurant.

I don't know, you know, Susie or I don't know, Billy. It's I think what do you think is good here i'll have the pot roast yeah what's your favorite thing he said well i killed some people dan which makes it oddly personal and creepy but still quaint yeah that's the thing it's just like this is a quaint shining it's very quaint uh he said quote well i killed some people dan i shot them all he said the guns in the house in the tool chest so just shot him killed some people, Dan. I shot them all. And he said, the guns in the house and the tool chest. So just shot him, killed some people. Interesting. Not a number of people.

It's our story. Not like, okay, this is what happened, and then I did this. Just, well, Dan, here's the story, buddy. I don't know. Shot some people. There's a gun in there if you want to get it. We're ordering pizza if you want to chip. You going to chip in?

If you're having more than two slices, you got to throw a few bucks in, though, because we're going to get another five. He's the best journalist ever. Who, what, when, why, how, bang, done. Done. That's it. Knocked it out. One sentence, sir.

I'm done. That's all. Hanging. So then the trooper rightfully asks a follow-up question, as you would in this case, I feel like. You wouldn't just let that stand. No, generally that's a... Oh, okay.

Yeah. Great. You know, we've locked that part up, so... What time is it? It's lunch for me. I gotta it? It's lunch for me. I got to go. It's lunch for me right now. I got to go.

Would you mind getting in the back seat so we can go together? Or if you could just maybe cuff yourself to the bench and I'll be back in a little while. Yeah, because I mean, what? There's nobody else to kill, right? You're not going to kill your dad. Maybe. I don't know. But that's his problem.

He raised you. I mean, if I chain you there, the tool chest, is that a way? That's what I'm thinking. Stay right there. Yeah. Hey, stay away from that tool chest while I'm gone i'll be back you be good i'm gonna head on down and get that clam chowder all right then they're watching their woo it's rue chris ross said he has worked his rue to a point now or that's going to really thick it up nicely and

it's going to be a heartier chowder because before it was liquidy it had the consistency of a manhattan yeah clam chowder which is before it was liquidy. It had the consistency of a Manhattan clam chowder, which is not what you want. And in New England, you want something with some thickness. Good thick white. That's how it goes right there. So Hanson says, pray tell. What may have happened here to cause you to kill some people?

And I feel like he's just trying to stall the whole situation, too, until more people get there. Absolutely. Let's keep this real conversational till more cops come. And so to that, Nielsen responded, it's been a while. How long? That's the weirdest answer to that. What happened?

It's been a while. Pardon? So you don't remember or like? What the fuck are you talking about, you dummy? So then it's at this point that Trooper Hanson advises Christian of his Miranda rights. He does it from memory. He's a cop, so he knows. He knows that a few times, said it a few times.

And Christian acknowledges he understands the rights and all that. So then Trooper Hanson asks Dan for being informal here. Good old Dan. Trooper Dan. Trooper Dan asked Christian if he would like to tell him what happened. Just wondering, would you pray tell? You know, what happened here? Let's get something going.

What do you got? And Christian says, I would like to, in fact, tell you what happened. I'd love to. Dan, I've been waiting since you got here. Nobody's asked me. That's the weird part. I've given you all the opportunity to ask me. You're the guy, Dan.

Let's go. Yes. I'm sitting on a porch waiting for you. Duh. What do you think? He says, yes, as a matter of fact, I would like to tell you, but I only want to say it once. Oh. So when do you want me to do it?

Now or later? Is it on the porch is the time we're going to do this? Or would you like to maybe record it? Are we going to do this personally or not, is it on the porch is the time we're gonna do this or would you like to maybe like record it or we gonna do this person i am gonna one time you got once which is a he's ryan seacrest i got one take in me that's it that's it man he's like sinatra that one was fine moving on ready to go moving on next song back to one i don't think so moving on so oh man so i did it my way asshole yeah that's how you're gonna take it so uh yeah he asked him he says he only wants to say it once which is weird so just we have to back up this trooper pulls up up. Quaint, quaint scene. Birds are chirping, dude.

It's September. It's pretty. He gets out. This woman comes up. Hi, this guy says he killed some people. There's dead people and go talk to them. And then he walks up to two men calmly sitting on a bench. And one just says, well, Dan, I'll tell you what happened.

I killed some people. And he's like, you get one chance. Been a while. I will tell you, but only once once which is like a weird movie plot we only he's only got one time it's i mean it's like a weird steve who is he's like a fucking alien stephen king character or a very threatening dad that goes i'm only gonna tell you i'm only gonna say that don't make me come back there yeah but it's so weird because he's like this a weird stephen king character like he's like an alien person like where did this dude drop in from the sky and he's just so fucking weird so hansen at

that point doesn't ask trooper dan does not ask christian any further questions about the deaths i love trooper dan he's my favorite he's like i don't want to be the one to hear this shit law enforcement ranger rick yeah he's great he's like well fuck you'll say it once or trooper probably shouldn't be to me i guess yeah he doesn't know no so he says all right tell you what um i'm not going to ask any more questions if you only want to say it once shouldn't be to me i guess right he says but detectives will be arriving shortly and if you'd like to tell anyone they'd probably be the guys to tell oh boy tell them they're going to be the ones who are going to be the most interested right of anyone probably they'll give you the go yeah you know when boy they're going to tell you uh so hansen

at that point handcuffs christian and places him inside the police cruiser he doesn't even know he hasn't even seen any proof of any he doesn't know there's a body he doesn't know there's dead anything he just he's telling him he killed people. So he's like, might as well be safer than sorry and cuff him now. And I mean, this could all be a prank. He could be crazy or not have killed anybody. He doesn't know. So he places him in the police cruiser. It's at that point that Hanson turns on his in-car video recorder as well.

Just in case he does. What year is this? 2006. 2006. Got it. So just in case he has some does some crazy shit in the car. Yeah. It's on there because he's going

to then walk away and he wants to, who knows. So after he's placed in the police car, Christian's father, Charles Nielsen, came to the car window and asked Christian, shouldn't you wait for counsel? Like, hey, shouldn't you talk to a lawyer? Get a lawyer. Whatever. Yeah, because it's his father. I mean, his father's going to give him good advice.

He doesn't even say, hey, don't fucking say anything. He just says, wouldn't it be a better idea, son? Like, it's a pretty good dad. Remember that part when the cop said, you can have a lawyer? Yeah. Maybe we get you a lawyer. Yeah. My dad would have been like, what are you, a dipshit?

Don't fucking say anything to these people. Talk to a fucking lawyer. Get a fucking lawyer, dummy. Get a lawyer to talk to him. Shouldn't you do that? And Christian responded, yeah, not a bad idea. He's just very casual. I'll say it, but only once. Shouldn't he wait for? And Christian responded, yeah, not a bad idea. He's just very casual. I'll say it, but only once.

Shouldn't he wait for a lawyer? I guess. You know, I'll ask Trooper Dan what he thinks. Six of one, half dozen. But Trooper Dan, lawyer or no? Should I just tell you? I'm only saying it once either way. Trooper Dan.

Fucking Trooper Dan. So Jesus Christ, I'm dying about trooper dan resolver so trooper dan after that he advises christian that it's up to him whether or not he speaks to detectives because he's like hey you don't have to fucking talk to anybody and i'm just trooper dan i don't give a shit either way so do what you want to do and uh to which nielsen states oh, I want to speak to the detectives. I'll talk to them once. Once. But I'll talk to them that one time. They better make that shit count.

I'm not doing any of this revised statement shit. No, no, no. You're getting one statement one time. There will be no whiteout. It will be done, written over. And if I say it and you go, hold on, I missed that. What was that last part? Then you missed it.

I said once. You missed it. You miss it, you miss it. I said once. You missed it. You miss it? You miss it. Get that tape recorder going. Sorry. Your pen better be moving quick. So, yeah, he's a trooper.

Hanson, at this point, says that, you know, he just doesn't do anything. He hangs out by the car and waits for additional police to arrive, which is smart because, like I said, he's not going to go start walking around the inn or the woods and get ambushed all by himself because he has no idea. He just knows that someone says their killer is right there. Smart. So it's at that point he asks Charles, the father, to describe where he had found the victims because the father said he was the one who found them. Oh, so he's seen the son showed the father.

And then at this point, Trooper Dan, really all he needed to be directed to was a trail of blood and he would have found it. He didn't need to really be. It just kind of had to be start there and you'll find him. The crimson, the crimson grass. Follow it. It was a trail of blood leading out of the inn and through the grass and into some brush

like you could just see where a human being was dragged bloodily through there. So it's not too difficult. So in the brush, Trooper Dan discovers the remains at this point of two dismembered human bodies. Oh, Jesus.

As well as, I understand, fucking buckle up, everybody, as well as two dogs that were same fate. So, yes, you're not allowed to be more upset about the dogs, by the way. It's true. They were human beings there as well. Right. And I want to hear that shit.

And everybody goes, oh, about the dogs. I'm not getting into how that happened, but there's dead dogs. Did he dismember the dogs? Oh, yeah. No, he did. And the people. He took everybody apart. Everybody apart. My fuck. Everybody apart there uh it's two two people two dogs oh yes so

he did not know uh the trooper two trooper dan has no idea how many people he's looking for yeah he's got just he couldn't ask that would have been only one time so he couldn't ask any more questions good point so he was like if i ask how many people and where are they that's one time so he was like i'm not gonna fuck this up yeah i'm just gonna look around so he returns to the police cruiser and said to nielsen because now he's freaked out he didn't know what he was gonna find or just somebody laying there but when you see dismembered human people that's far that's a different thing that's not like oh shit some something went too far and somebody got mad or whatever you go whoa the other part is like you got to be a serious motherfucker to be dismembering people right that's what it is if you can shoot somebody

and then walk away that's lots of people can do that spend some time with what you've done and actually do more things to it yeah that's too much i've i've read a lot of mob books that mobsters wrote and that's like the line yeah that's the line with mobsters as far as like uh cold-blooded and who's who's really a cold-blooded motherfucker and who's not is who has no problem jumping in and fucking sawing a body up and getting in they throw you know in a bathtub take all their fucking clothes off saw them up shower up and fucking bag and they had a routine and a system and some of the guys just couldn't do the shit i couldn't do that and uh yeah well it's yeah and some people had no problem i don't even know if i i mean i could i'm think i could probably shoot somebody in self-defense yeah but i don't know

that i could just be like pissed off and just and then be like well better take them apart no where's my chainsaw god no where is my chainsaw and hacksaw i've seen the interview with kuklinski way too many times so it's fucking nuts it's messy it's messy it flings shit all over the place that's what they talk about yeah yuck it's dude it's it's it's some shit man shit gets jammed in the chain fuck no yeah there's a there's a lot of mob guys that were like that was their specialty was they didn't give a fuck about doing that and so those are the guys that got a lot of work done because they didn't care they just chopped somebody up they were like because the whole thing was okay we're gonna kill this guy we're gonna get rid of him now if they want if

they need a guy to disappear he's got to disappear that's a pain in the ass to disappear somebody they'd have garages that they'd bury them under the concrete and shit like that but like but if you want if you're willing to chop somebody up and then go bury the pieces in different places in Staten Island, you're going to get away with a lot for a long time. So anyway. It's a lot. It's a lot. Yeah. So that's why this trooper, Dan, is like, okay, we've gone past the point of I killed some people.

Yeah. You did more than that. Can you call me by my last name now? Yeah. Because this is getting real weird. I don't know. Yeah. I don't really like it.

What I just saw and then you calling me Dan, now it's real awful. My don't know yeah i don't really like what i just saw and then you call me dan now it's real awful my friend my friends call me dan it's just weird my mom calls me dad and now you call me dan yeah i'm not gonna be dan anymore so uh trooper dan here says to christian quote i know you invite your you invoked your rights and you want to speak to council but i need to ask this question for the purpose of and then he couldn't hear what he said on the recording is there any chance anyone here is alive that's all he wants to know he's like look i'm not trying to fucking ask you what you did is there anybody that i could find that can be helped basically here which is a again this guy is very thorough

and very logical he said quote i don't want to leave someone out here bleeding yeah which is fine and nielsen responded that oh no everyone's dead oh i assure you believe me listen not many people can live without a head and arms and things it's uh yeah uh they they end up well we'll talk about that later this evening that he waits forever for detectives to get there because this is like a rural area so he's like i have found fucking dismembered bodies and they're like hang tight we're on our way hang tight yeah why don't you order a pizza because it's gonna probably be a while say again you want us to hurt can somebody ask ross in the north how long their set's gonna be come on because it's it's almost over it's almost over because it's labor day it's a holiday we'll be We'll be there soon. They're less staffed than normal. Detectives have the day off and shit like that.

People are partying. He's doing his cover set right now. Yeah, he's doing it. The chowder comes after the show. Right. I got to stay for the show. How am I going to judge him thoroughly without knowing how his chowder is? There is a rumor he's playing Tom Petty tonight.

So we'll be out of here soon. Well, we'll wait till after. If he plays American Girl, we'll get in the car. Put it that way. You know he is. But I'm going to wait for him to play it. I'm going to wait for him to play it. Well, we'll wait till after. If he plays American Girl, we'll get in the car. Put it that way. But I'm going to wait for him to play it. I'm going to wait for him to play it. And then I'll leave after that. And Breakdown.

I'm going to wait for Breakdown. That's a good one. I like Breakdown. If he plays Breakdown and American Girl, we're out. But otherwise, I'm going to wait. I'm going to give him his chance. Because he'll do an encore. He leaves the stage.

You get the chowder. And then he does the encore. And you hold your chowder spoon in the air, and that's how it works. You pelt the stage with bread bowls, and he knows that you enjoyed his show. That's how he knows. Poor Chris Ross. This actual guy's going to be doing a show, and people are going to be throwing bread bowls at him, and he's not going to understand why.

Soggy-ass chowder bowls. Where's your chowder, Chris? And people are going to be like, what the fuck? What are they talking about? People keep asking me about chowder Bulls. Where's your chowder, Chris? And people are going to be like, what the fuck? What are they talking about? People keep asking me about chowder, man. Why do they keep throwing Brady jerseys on the stage? He's going to be Googling himself. Is there a guy named Chris Ross who makes good chowder on the Food Network or something?

Like, what is happening? Why do they keep bothering me about chowder? This is so fucking wrong. So he's waiting. They're just, you know, arms crossed. He's got this crazy guy in the back seat who's a Stephen King character and his dad on the porch and dismembered bodies. And all these pieces.

Yeah, chunks of... He's just like, wow, I should have put in for Labor Day. What a Labor Day. I really should have put in for Labor Day. It's terrible to be the bottom man on the totem pole. That's what it is. It's like the other one... Everybody's got seniority.

I got to work. Trooper Chip told me he'd take my Christmas Eve if I would do this. And now here I am. And now I think I'd rather just be away from my family. I should have just worked Christmas Eve. What's the difference? We don't even do anything Christmas Eve. We do a big thing Christmas Day.

So it's a fucking point. Now here I am with bodies. Pieces. So, yeah, he it's at that point while he's waiting for detectives to arrive uh charles the father says uh says to trooper dan oh by the way my son told me that there's four total victims uh you've seen two and two dogs but two people uh there's four there's one one more around here somewhere if you found two because there's three here and then one more in upton which is another town nearby about a few miles away he's like there's

one there also is what he told me so there's four so uh trooper dan eventually gets direct how long is he waiting for detectives this is fucking ridiculous i'm sorry if there's two dismembered bodies get in the fucking car and move your ass i I don't care how rural you are. So he eventually ends up getting directions from both the father and the son, Nielsen here, regarding where he could find the third victim on the property. He's like, well, worry about the one in the other town for a minute. But there's another person here. He wants to make sure they're not alive. Right. alive right so uh he finds out where where the fuck is this person and he follows the directions to find a third body uh which is located under a tarp about 50 yards from the first two bodies

yeah so it also dismembered uh graphically dismembered so uh like all their fingers removed things like that like weird what is he doing weird things like that uh so he's waiting for detectives who shows up game warden norm lewis shows up that's who shows up there's no no warden lewis he didn't have a hunting license next next cop this is fucking can we get a real guy here i I only have five trout, Game Warden. It's fine, really. I haven't hit my limit yet. I've got the stamp for him. Get the fuck out of here.

What are we doing? Game Warden Norm shows up. So we got Trooper Dan, who seems to be a person who does his job well, knows how to do it, seems to know the law, and seems to have at least an inkling of caring about not letting people bleed to death in the woods, which is great. And then in game warden norm and nothing against game warden norm no he might be terrific game this might be the chance game warden norm's been looking for he might be the guy he's been in triple a he's been waiting for the big call up and he's gonna step up and hit a home run in the first inning off the best pitcher in the league we don't know but the

point is your best shot is not with game warden no it's not that's a that's a bad managerial decision imagine trooper hansen too like oh yeah these homicide detectives are coming is that a my christ fucking game warden is there park ranger coming after him what are we doing you're gonna send the dog catcher too what's happening here? We don't need that guy. We don't need him either. They're not running. No, these are they're caught. Yeah.

So horribly sorry. That's terrible. I feel bad for the dog making dog jokes. I didn't mean to. No, but it's the way I got about it. Yeah, I know. That's why I know. I could tell you forgot about it.

We're like, oh, shit. That wraps up into this. Damn it. Oh, I got to dance on that one. Everybody that's a goddamn civil servant. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. This is this is Martha.

She works at the DMV. She's the one who takes your picture for the license, but she's got an interest in it. So we're going to let her kick around. Heard there's four bodies in total everywhere. Tell you what, Martha, you go to Optum and find that other one. Game warden Norm over here is going to fucking clean up the mess we got here. Jesus Christ. So game warden Norm Lewis arrives a little bit after six o'clock and approaches Trooper Dan,

who was speaking with Charles Nielsen, the father, at the rear of the police cruiser. Like, boy, your son's crazy. Gee, I know he is. Boy, what a fucking nutcase. Can you believe it? what are you chatting about at this point how about them patriots what are you doing he's apologizing a lot you know he's like i'm really sorry i'm just man i don't know what happened yeah i wasn't here it's like his second grader went to a pool party and shit in the pool and he had to come pick him up and he's like i'm sorry i ruined the room the day forever i'm really sorry i'm sorry have you chlorine i've raised him the best i can i'll pay for the chlorine we had taco

bell i'm i apologize i told him it's fuck so before you go and he didn't you know how it goes so uh he approached approaches them obviously as he's approaching he's like well i should i wait for dmv martha and, you know, Park Ranger Chip? Any other state employees that might want to partake in a fucking murder investigation? So, yeah, they're talking. And Jesus Christ, Trooper Dan here asks Game Warden Norm if he was familiar with the Brown Company Road in Upton because there was possibly another victim there. So he's like, you're the game warden norm if he was familiar with the brown company road in upton because there was possibly another victim there so he's like you're the game warden you'd probably know rural fucking roads in the middle of nowhere yeah so uh yeah charles the father charles nielsen suggested that they ask

the kid for directions like why don't we ask my son christian for directions since you know he's the one who killed him right probably he'd be the guy to know he's been there but yeah but trooper uh trooper dan here he states that because uh this is son christian had expressed his desire to only tell his story once right uh there would be no further questioning until detectives arrive he's like he said it's only once he's like the highlander i'm not gonna fuck this only one yeah and that's it. And it's him. And it's his story. I can't fuck it up. Listen, he said only once. What is this? Did a wizard put a curse on his tongue where he's only allowed to tell a story once, and

then his mouth zips closed and he can't? What the fuck is happening? It's Maine. Who knows? They don't know. He's like, I'm not taking any fucking chances. Somebody call Stephen King and find out why he can only tell a story once, because I'd like to know.

That is something that would happen in his book. Exactly. For sure. He'll only tell it once. And they're like, he said, he'll only do it once. And everybody just stands around going, I don't know. And he's in the car looking creepy, and he says he'll tell it. That's basically his stitched shut mouth.

Yeah. He says he'll tell it, but only once. He can cut the stitches, and then they just happen again. They pop it again. Either way, it's inside. It's sealed. The stitches are just so you can see from the outside what's going on inside all sealed up cauterized boom so uh yeah yeah it's at this time that trooper dan goes looking for the third victim which he's told is at the inn right while uh while game warden norm left uh was left at the police cruiser

to watch the Nielsen father and son team here. Now, while Trooper Dan was gone, Charles Nielsen, the father, approaches his son and initiated a conversation with him, telling him that the cops are going to be going to Upton, where you said there's another body to find. So, Jesus Christ, the son here, here christian says that'd probably be good because that's where my mom lives so which i don't know what that matters it's at this point

that game warden norm clarifies that the police are going to be i'm sorry not game or not his father says no no the police are going to up and to look for your other dead body not to talk to your mom they don't give a shit about your mom at this point. You're 31 and there's three dead dismembered people here. Your mom's out of the equation. He said that police would not find the body there, Christian said, because he burned it. So good luck finding it, basically.

Like, well, you're not going to find it because I burned it up pretty good. And also kind of buried the remnants. So it's there. Good luck with that. So who the fuck is this weirdo in the back seat of a cruiser like to know telling his story only once and whatever well he's christian charles nielsen he's 31 years old he does not have a real criminal record only of some driving issues some speeding tickets he had two uh drunk driving arrests 96 and 98 his 98 when he was convicted of drunk driving uh the police chief around here uh police chief richard caten the

third he says quote the name didn't jump out as somebody that we knew so he's not like this you know all him we expect you know we've been waiting for the phone call about this one it's not that guy at all which which is weird. Again, Stephen King novel. We don't even know who he is. His last problem that he had with any kind of police was in August of 2005, the year before, when he was issued a ticket for driving with a suspended license. So, I mean, nothing violent. Everything behind the wheel so far.

Nothing red flag. He's an irresponsible guy with paperwork and he drives when he shouldn't exactly not nothing violent he's not doesn't seem like a menace to society here at this time uh he had listed his residence as uh farmington farmington main which is right near the university of main campus the place he listed his residence and they try to get some background on him uh they talk to one of his old teachers they said that he just seemed like kind of a normal kid uh he was kind of quiet he's like to skateboard he listened to grunge music as a teenager his parents divorced

when he was like nine years old and his father was remarried to his stepmom who was the one directing trooper dan there uh his old babysitter they talked to, who talked to him and said that he was a gentle boy who liked to fish and swim and skateboard. She said, quote, he didn't pull puppy dog tails and didn't squish frogs. He was a sweet boy. So she's saying, and look at him and go,

ooh, he's going to be a serial killer when he gets older. Nothing like that, just he was a normal kid. He, Nielsen, Christianian studied english at the university of maine and farmington so he went to college uh his father teaches english at uh dorigo or dorijo high in dixie and dixfield maine so his father's an english teacher and his uh which is funny because some of the statements he makes are 100 an english teacher no no they're what how the way he says it you're like well that was awfully formal and then you're like oh he's an english teacher so his language is very very formal uh so yeah christian he completed a semester of college in 2001 and then attended during the

fall and summer of 2003 and spring of 2004 and also the spring and fall of 2005 but he's never gotten a degree so he's got a bunch of credits but he's never really didn't really stay for one big long none of it matters yeah long he's got a lot he's got as many degrees as i do exactly he doesn't matter he's been to college for three years because he has no degree and who cares so uh he had been just kind of drifting aimlessly because that was you know he was kind of he's in he's 31 and he was still going to school two years before that that was actually from you know years before he was trying to finish that up he's trying to kind of tie together the the lace the shoelaces of his life here and do something uh last year in 2005 he said to his co-workers he worked at a

restaurant he's a line cook it's kind of what he does for money most of the time he tells he makes a big announcement to his co-workers that this is it he is uh gonna straighten out from here on out like i don't know what he's this is some shit you tell like your wife or your your friends or something like you know to hold hold me to task. He tells his coworkers this shit. Imagine if you went to work and somebody just started announcing that they're going to straighten their life. You'd be like,

good, whatever. This area of the country, though, is like marred with drugs at this moment. And back then, probably, too. Oh, yeah. It's fucking insane up there. Oh, yeah. And he probably,

and then he's a line cook, too. Oh, that's the most, yeah. Jesus Christ. If you ever worked in a restaurant, there's, I've worked in restaurants. there oh yeah and he probably and then he's a line cook too like oh that's the most jesus christ you ever worked in a restaurant there's i've worked in restaurants just got so much drugs in him if you work in a restaurant the amount of times a week you turn down coke is ridiculous if you don't do coke like i'd never do and never was into so people do some i don't want to do coke in the bathroom at one point it was like I actually made an announcement like this to my everyone. I don't want any coke.

Hey, guys, I'm thank you. My life. Yeah, I'm good. Now, if anyone wants to go out and smoke a joint, yeah, that's what we're going. But keep me out of the coke into the fucking bathroom. I have no interest in that shit. So, yeah, he tells everybody, though, at a restaurant. This is funny because, like I said, everyone's a disaster.

I've worked at restaurants plenty that's why i say this because it's a you know you're you're doing it because you don't have to be there till four o'clock that's why you're doing it let's be honest here so you can get some shut eye yeah you can work when the rest of us aren't four hours not go to not go to work in the morning and still make as much money as if you sat in a cubicle all day that's why you're doing it it's no other reason so uh he says i'm straightening out no more booze i'm fucking not drinking anymore i'm gonna get my life together i'm gonna cut this college shit out because i don't know where i'm going i was aimless through that and i'm gonna join the fucking u.s military i'm joining the military i'm gonna go straight and narrow that's a a big decision at 30 years old, too.

I'm going to join the military. I'm past my prime. I'm looking at their watch like, maybe that ship has sailed, chief. 10 years ago, right? Yeah, I don't know, man. Yeah, it would have been good then. We don't need you now. No.

We're good. So you're going to start having health problems soon, just like bad knees and shit. Like, we don't need you. You're going to cost us money without war war. Yeah, he's going to be like, ah, my back's bothering me and so no go home so uh yeah he says he's gonna join the military and it's all straight and narrow from here on out in may of 1980 near anaheim california dorothy jane scott noticed her friend had an inflamed red wound on his arm and seemed unwell she insisted on driving him to the local hospital to get

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but he's this girl says kristin this woman she says quote i thought christian finally i thought christian's finally finding a place for himself so she was happy for him after he got fired from there he got a job at the sudbury inn in bethel uh it's bethel is nearby they're kind of connected bethel and newberry it's just a big resort area here uh he gets a job there he's a line cook at this inn basically so uh the owner and people that know him here's a guy named kenny bockner who's the owner of a bookstore it's a big bookstore devaney doke and garrett booksellers in farmington one of those college town bookstores she he says that christian was a frequent customer

over the last six years and had an unpredictable personality he said that sometimes appearing very earnest while also being very closed off on other occasions he called christian quote very bright and said he favored classic literature and comedy books uh but he said he was no he said he wasn't a closet radical or an extremist or anything like that because the bookstore guy knows what you're into yeah so if you're buying crazy weird radical books and you know you have weird you know kind of out there views or something he knows exactly what you're buying and he said no radical extremist shit nothing like that he said quote i'd be very surprised if any of this had anything to do with any cohesive ideology he said he just had weird stuff going on in his head most of us can't imagine i am

blown away by a bookstore owner's quotes he is a that guy's amazing yeah he knows it all co he say that again i'd be very surprised if any of this had to do with any had anything to do with any cohesive ideology there's never been anybody on the news that's ever said that no no lives as a witness to no it's always uh you know i don't think that guy's a bad dude i think he might be a muslim that's what they say on the news yeah it would never be anything clever and brilliant like this is what he was amazing yeah cohesive ideology yeah he doesn't have like this kill you know thing going on uh yeah he just said he just seemed like a crazy motherfucker basically i think he just had some weird stuff going on so they did

they interviewed a bunch of people trying to figure out who the fuck he is and everybody pretty much says he's got mood swings kind of leads the nameless life um but they said he was harmless how many people do you know who are just kind of aimless have kind of shit the nameless life um but they said he was harmless how many people do you know who are just kind of aimless have kind of shit jobs and have some mood swings now and then and that's like a very common thing that's it's just being a person yeah and especially if you're not happy with your job and you're working a menial job that you don't like and you don't know where you are in life and you're 30 and you're trying to figure out where you want to go you're going to be moody sometimes that's's normal. Just trying to pay your bills.

Yeah. Don't fucking like it. Yeah, I'm moody now and I'm happy. So, I mean, Jesus, I get it. Fuck, man. But the military, his ambitions there seem to not go anywhere. He didn't actually join the military. That was just a big statement one day.

He never got in. No, he never got in. And instead, sometime in the late spring of 2006 he moved into the black bear in the bed and breakfast where this whole thing occurred in newry uh he moves in there as like a permanent kind of a permanent guest like an apartment almost uh there he meets the owner a woman named julie bullard uh her daughter selby uh is also in and out of there all the time and uh live in handyman there named james whitehurst who is the uh scatman brothers of the uh right of the uh of the shining here he's that

guy now julie bullard the owner she's 65 years old she just moved here the last couple years from san francisco okay uh she just moved here to for a change of pace uh she was she had her own bed and breakfast in the castro district in san francisco actually for years and uh she kept that going she got there and she she put she like kind of remodeled the black bear in she put some you know her own kind of design shit on it and made it just less, I think, less farty probably. A little more cool. Yeah. You know, that sort of shit.

She San Francisco'd it up. Yeah, she hipped it up a little bit here. She ran, like I said, she ran this bed and breakfast in San Francisco. In 2002, there was a story in sfgate.com about the city's top bed and breakfasts and hers hers was listed in there and she said she decided to get into innkeeping after 24 years in sales she said it's a rough demanding business which i can't imagine it wouldn't be uh but she said she enjoys it and she likes it she says quote it's kind of like being a mother i just had to learn to keep a household so that's it you're basically uh i suppose suppose those are all like

your kids at that point uh a friend of hers who helped operate her in in san francisco said quote she wanted to get away from it all and move to maine so that's what it was there's a real estate agent and a close friend of hers uh that she has been talking to. And a couple months before this happened, in the summertime, Julie decided she was going to sell the Black Bear. She's going to sell the Black Bear in, and she's going to move down to New York City because one of her daughters,

not Selby, the one up here, one of her daughters just bought a house in Brooklyn, and she invited her to come live down there. And she said, the owner here, she said that it was really hard to survive financially running a bed and breakfast in the middle of the mountains, which that seems so hard. It seems expensive as fuck. It's so expensive. And you've got to get an advertisement to let people know you're there.

And then you have to depend on weather, on economy. There's so many factors out of your control that you can have the greatest place in the world, and just nobody's going to come there. So that would be really hard. It's brutal one it's when anything happens to the property you have to fix it and it's a lot of property so uh she was having a hard time you know making ends meet doing this so she rented a room to nielsen to christian nielsen on a on a permanent basis uh rather than because she wasn't getting a lot of people in. So she's trying to make ends meet. She's like, well, I don't care. That's an income that I know is coming in every month.

Fine. So she's not filling the rooms anyway. She lets Nielsen stay there. So she says a friend of hers said, quote, she loved Maine and she felt very safe in Maine and she really didn't want to leave. But for economic reasons, she was going to sell the B&B and share a house her daughter had just bought in Brooklyn.

So, yeah, she's been there. They said she's made really nice changes to the Black Bear, too. Like it's been the Chamber of Commerce locally said how she spruced it up and really brought it back to life and all that kind of shit. So over the summer, Julie hired Mr. Whitehurst, who we talked about the the scatman crothers of the group here uh james whitehurst she hired him over the summer to be like a handyman uh type of deal uh she offered him a free room there in exchange for being a handyman and doing like some cooking and sure just being the general earning your keep earn your keep and you can stay here for a room you can have a room here rather than her having to pay somebody which you can't afford to fucking do

so uh that's how this ended up happening there so uh now september 1st 2006 three days before this happened four days uh christian nielsen went in a gun shop and bought a 38 caliber revolver and he returned to the inn that day. That was the Friday. And he invited James Whitehurst to go on a fishing trip. He said, why don't we go on a fishing trip, me and you? What do you say? We'll go on a fishing trip.

He says, I have a cabin, Christian tells him. I have my own cabin. Why are you staying here then? But I have my own cabin. It's in Upton, which is a tiny town. It's about 30 miles away. He said, it's going to be great. It's beautiful.

Great lake. We'll go fishing. We'll have a great fucking time. Come out with me there. Labor Day weekend, man. And he was like, cool, let's do it. So Whitehurst, they packed up sandwiches. They made a fucking picnic out of this thing, man.

That's what you do. Packed up sandwiches. Nielsen drove them in his car. He said, I'll pick you up and everything will take my car they drove to upton uh once they get to upton they turn down uh dirt logging roads into what's called c surplus the letter c surplus this is not a it's a area name not really a town name it's an unorganized township there's no people there c surplus is the name of a it's a name of an area oh boy it's an unorganized township there's no people there sea surplus is the name of a it's the name of an area

oh boy it's an unorganized township there's no paved roads and no people it's not like military surplus that's what it seems like this is where we store the extra shit here yeah uh but no it's it's there's no people there so it's just a an area that they've named is for i don't even know why for because we got a category cataloging purposes here. I'm not sure. Surplus of land up in Maine, everybody. So once they get there, there is no fishing hole and no camp. There's nothing. It's just still the woods.

And so they stop in a clearing to eat lunch. So they set all their shit up. Well, we'll stop here. The fishing hole is just a little. He told Whitehurst it's up here. They get to an area and he's like, well, it's a little bit further down the way, but why don't we just eat lunch now? We'll eat now.

That way we get down there. We just get all set up and we can start fishing. We don't have to worry about eating. So yeah, let's do that. So they, they set up, they sit down there,

get their sandwiches. They're hanging out. It's fucking Maine in the sun. It's beautiful. Yeah. Fucking gorgeous. So they're sitting there. This is picturesque.

Whitehurst is sitting there eating a sandwich, looking into the trees beautifully. And Christian shoots him in the head oh my out of nowhere for no reason uh shoots him in the head he falls over and then he shoots him two more times in the body christ just to make sure stands over him and does that yeah so uh yeah he's like okay what the fuck do i do now uh so he goes okay i'm gonna leave him here uh because you know what what time is it i have a shift tonight i gotta get to work yeah so christian leaves him there and then shows up for his restaurant shift okay that's that's a worker right there shows up but i mean that's also how they end up catching people all the time yeah they say he didn't show

up for work if you show up for work everything If you show up for work, everything seems normal for you. That's what he does. Shows up for his restaurant shift. Everybody said he was just normal, just himself. Just a worker bee. That's right. So what he did, though, is the next day he went back and doused Mr. Whitehurst in gasoline and set him on fire. Set him on fire, burned up a good amount of him, and then buried him in a shallow grave off the road. So that's Saturday.

That's his Saturday. That's a shit Saturday. Killed him on Friday night, Saturday he does that. Worked a shift in between, which is fucking crazy. So Sunday comes around, and Julie apparently was asking, Julie Bullard, the owner owner was trying to find white hearse didn't know where the hell he was and she was just like that's weird where the hell is he supposed to be here he lives here for christ's sake doesn't have anywhere else to be really

has nowhere he works and lives here there's really nowhere else for him to go uh so christian apparently started getting worried uh that she was going to be suspicious of him right she's like if he can't find white her she's going to blame me for it and then i gotta explain that what do i do here uh only one thing i can do i gotta kill julie too uh so yeah i'll just kill her and then that'll be you know i killed him and he's gone i kill her and then nobody will be suspicious and i'm just like i don't know what happened to anybody i don know. I just show up for my shift at work and act like nothing happened. So what he does is sometime in the in there, he shoots her with what is called a hail of gunfire. He pretty much empties his gun on her there.

So he he does that. And he's like, OK, I've killed him. I've killed her. I still have to work, though. Sunday night. Show up for my shift. Jesus. So he shows up for his shift at the Sudbury Inn in Bethel, which is fucking crazy. My word. His boss always says what a reliable guy he is.

No doubt. This is the most reliable worker ever. I've never heard of anybody more reliable. Showing a post-murder. And he's like, well, I don't have time to clean this up. The amount of stress that that guy can handle. Yeah. He killed people, then made your food. Right. this up. The amount of stress that that guy can handle. Yeah. He killed people, then made your food.

Right. Which is a little creepy. A dinner rush? Fuck it. I've killed two people. I've got to pee there. Yeah. I've had enough stress today, damn it.

Jesus Christ, man. I can handle anything. Yeah. So he does that. He does his line cooking there and everything. So the next day comes around, Monday. It's Labor Day. It's a holiday.

No one's heard from Julie Bullard, and she's got friends and family, and she talks to people. She's not like a dude. She's from San Francisco. Yeah. She's social. Her daughter, Selby, who's 30 years old, became concerned. She couldn't reach her mother. She's calling her on the phone.

It's 2006. She's texting her. She's calling her. Her mom's not fucking getting back to her, which does not happen. She's very worried also because her mother had bad asthma and a friend of hers said julie had bad asthma she would get into these coughing fits so that was the problem so she worried that she uh she's 65 she worried she had one of her coughing fits and passed out yeah that can happen you lose your air so she was like i better go check on fucking mom here and make sure she's not you know

between the cabinets and the refrigerator. Exactly. Pinned in there somewhere or some shit. So she, her friend said she couldn't reach her by phone. So she and her friend Cindy drove out to check on her. Now, Selby had broken her leg

a couple months back and was having a hard time recovering. And her friend Cindy was taking her around, driving her all the time. Her friend Cindy Beeston, Cynthia Beeston, she's 42 years old. So they both worked at the Apple Tree Realty office in Bethel. So this is her work friend, Selby and Cindy.

They drive out to see their mom there. Now, the only thing that they could come up with that possibly could have triggered any of this is that there's unconfirmed rumors that christian was behind on his rent and that julie bullard was in the process of going to have him evicted and that she was using kind of white hearse to tell him and kind of be her muscle basically so that's the that's the the thought process here it's the only thing they could think of uh selby had told her friend monica who works with her at the real estate office

that she was getting bad vibes from someone who was staying at her mother's inn she never said who it was she didn't know if it was whitehurst or nielsen or whatever but she said she's getting bad vibes and selby thought that one of the tenants might have been taking advantage of her mother but she didn't know who it was and so you know that's that was that so uh monday selby and cindy show up to find where their mom is sure they show up at the inn hey what's going on you know where are you selby by the way had just lost her husband in a car accident for christ's sake 30 years old uh she has a 12 year old daughter and an eight year old son lost her husband in a car accident for christ's sake 30 years old uh she has a 12 year old daughter and an eight year old son and her husband just died in a car accident so that's a rough she's got around she's got a broken leg so she's limping around you know

mourning her husband and trying to take care of two kids this is our she's got it rough and now she's gonna go check on her mom uh yeah so uh she the whole thing was they they both moved out here to get a fresh start basically they both because selby was helping her with her b&b in san francisco they moved out here fresh start the whole thing here uh so uh selby had run an eyeglass shop and she did nails and stuff like that and she just got a real estate license that year and started working at the apple tree realty in bethel so she was trying to make a fresh start move on yeah do her thing here now cynthia beaston she had moved to maine in 1992 uh she met her husband while working at a ski resort they were married in 1994 and they had

a daughter in 1994 uh so she had a two-year-old daughter and uh going into this and she uh you know they lived in bethel uh she was a manager of a restaurant for a while and then she also went back to school and got her real estate license and started around the same time as selby at apple tree there in bethel so uh it's at that point they go over to see her mom they walk in and are instantly ambushed by Christian, who shoots them both. Oh, my God. What? Both of them. Okay.

Selby and Cynthia shoots them both. Wow. So I don't know what his plan is to just stay here and just keep killing whoever comes over. Yeah. Is that it? This is weird. Just if anyone comes looking for anyone, I just keep killing. This is a Stephen King story.

Like, I'm in this inn and I'll kill them. And then he's going to look for him. So I got to kill him and I got to kill him and I got to kill him. And eventually everyone in town is dead and he's sitting on the front porch of the fucking inn. That's, that's like a short, a Stephen King short. It's weird as fuck, man. Unbelievable.

Well, it's, it's super strange. So, uh, uh, yeah. So, uh, it's at that point when everybody's dead and he, uh, he kills, that's the two women that are found with the dogs on the side. And then Julie was found back there. Okay. All of them were dismembered with a combination of a chainsaw, a hacksaw, and a pickaxe.

My God. Combination of them. Jesus, that's so messy. It's fucking awful. That's a lot of effort. That's a lot of effort, man. Oh, boy. This guy doesn't seem like he's capable of ordering dinner.

He doesn't have the oomph to order dinner, and he's doing this. So after he kills everyone and dismembers everyone, he called his father, and he tells his father that Julie had gone to California and left him in charge of the inn. Julie went, I'm in charge now. I'm the guy. I'm the guy. Hey, welcome to Christian's Inn inn i'm here right here so uh he said he's in charge of the inn uh now uh after uh like i said by the way he was showing up at work the whole time his father arrives on monday

and he immediately sees a bloody trail where the bodies were dragged out and uh it's at this point that charles nielsen goes back and finds the dismembered bodies and finds that their fingers had been cut off which was another very weird thing he finds the dogs and everything like that uh the only thing the only theory they have on the dis the fingers cutting off is that they he cut their fingers off to get their rings they think the prosecutor was saying later off to get their rings they think the prosecutor was saying later on and then he thinks they killed the dogs for fear that they might have found the body parts or fingers and drug them out into the open oh my god that's why they think so it was literally just to cover up to cover up to cover up to cover up so many thoughts though

that's what i mean like well i'll kill well then i have to kill them because they're gonna do this and then this one comes over and what about trooper dan he's gotta die goddamn spiral who's not gonna keep yeah it's at some point he's just gonna be have like a junkyard full of cars and everyone's dead and he's gonna sit on the porch and he's gonna be hey i'm in charge of new remain i'm the mayor now i'm the mayor i run the inn i'm the game warden i took norm's job i'm trooper dan i'm everybody good god what the fuck so wow now serving a number eight at window number three yeah that's what we're doing he's gonna be running the dmv he's got it all he's got so much to do he's gonna take martha's job not to mention he's gonna

show up to cook at a shift even though no one's there to eat because he killed everybody wow so they do find his gun right where he said in the tool chest inside the inn and they get him to the police and he confesses to everything. Yeah. Yeah, I did it. Yeah. That's what I did. He's very James once.

His demeanor is excessively Jeffrey Dahmer. You know, when they talk to Jeffrey Dahmer in that interview and they're like, why'd you do it? And he's just like, I don't know. Weird. Fucking crazy. It's just weird, don't know it's weird fucking crazy it's just weird man like i'm not sure but otherwise if he wasn't saying that he sounds perfectly sane and normal except if he wasn't saying i'm not sure why i fucking ate a bunch of people there was a

dick in the fridge yeah that is crazy super weird right i would never have wow did i do that it's strange because like if i heard somebody else did that, I'd be like, weird, dude. But then it turns out I did it. Unbelievable. That's the demeanor this guy has. It's just very matter of fact. He's not quite sure what's going on or why he did it. 50 gallons of acid.

Really? Really. I built a shrine, did I? Dick shrine, did I? I did that. Well, you know what? Doesn't sound like me. You learn something new every day, even about yourself, guys.

That's the lesson here. So, wow. Back to the here so wow back to the scene here uh back to the scene uh nielsen then uh son nielsen gives detailed directions to warden game warden norm over here regarding where he had burned the fourth victim here whitehurst and left him there uh this is he said everybody says this is without any asking they didn't ask him he just said hey if you want to find the fourth person, you go here, here, here, and there. And you'll fucking find him. So, yeah.

The only question that Game Warden Norm here asked Christian was for clarification in the directions at one point. Do you mean this road or that road? That was it. Later that evening, Game Warden Norm here leads other officers to the location that he'd been told that the fourth victim was burned. They find a fire pit like Nielsen had described, and a forensic anthropologist later confirms that the pit contained remains of a person through testing. They found out was Mr. Whitehurst there. A detective, Jennifer King king from the main criminal investigations division she's the only one without an embarrassing yeah silly job title name she arrived at the

blackberry in at 7 30 so the main criminal investigations unit shows up two hours later unbelievable this isn't baltimore where there's like 50 other bodies on the street this is a main this is the only person killed unless at least that weekend if not by accidental hunting gunfire stephen king's writing documentaries and this shit just happens up there yeah maybe maybe she was just busy with somebody that was just kept getting thinner it just keeps happening there's this weird shop i don't know it's just this old guy and it's strange so uh yeah upon uh arriving that uh she gets there and the first thing trooper dan says uh okay here's to give you the lay of the land here this is christian uh he says he's quote

killed some people um you know we we've read him his rights and he responded that he only wants to tell his story one time once and he has made mention of counsel so i don't know what's going on here so this jennifer, she approaches Christian, who is... What's her last name? Jennifer King. Un-fucking-believable. Oh, my God. Perfect.

Perfect. Right. She's heard it all. She's heard it all. She's got it covered. It's fine. You only have to tell me once because I've heard this story before. King Jennifer comes in here uh she sees he's sitting in the police cruiser still two hours in the back of a police cruiser he's just hanging out uh and asked him if he would come to the

newery fire station to be interviewed to the fire station where all the homicide fucking suspects are interviewed he said sure no problem sounds great hey wherever the fire engine can i can i crank the horn i can't pet the dog huh no one's gonna let me pet that dalmatian fucker never mind stay away from the dalmatian you cocksucker don't fucking go near my dalmatian jesus christ the firehouse what is happening here this This is small town murder. You'd never hear of a murder happening in Chicago. And they're like, so we took the suspect to the fire station to interview him. No, the game warden tried to take him to the fire station. It's like Mad Libs and municipal fucking entities.

And the most famous person from this state and the lead investigator has the same last name. Same fucking name. Same name. Same fucking name. Same name as all of it. Incredible. It's fucking perfect. Amazing. It's perfect. Jennifer King.

It's Stephen's daughter. Yeah. She's feeding him stories of homicides throughout the state. That's what's happening. He's a fucking fraud. He's a fraud. He's doing nothing better than what we're doing. He's essentially just law and order.

That's it. That's what he's doing, He's essentially just law and order. That's it. That's what he's doing, man. Ripping it from the headline. Jesus Christ. So they get to the fire station here. And Detective King here brings Nielsen to an upstairs room and takes his handcuffs off. This room's set up like a classroom because it's a firehouse and not a fucking homicide office. So King and Nielsen sit at separate tables opposite one another.

Little desks, yeah. And they read from Pop on Pop. No. Jesus Christ. This is so silly, this interview. Not the deaths. The whole, everything around it is crazy. Everything from there are dead bodies.

From then on, it's crazy. It's pretty much the second trooper dan pulled up that's the only normal thing that's happened in this story a cop is called and he answers the call trooper dan grabbed the handle to open the door and shit went crazy it went right off the fucking rails man it's so weird so they do that a second detective is also present during this interview this jennifer king asked nielsen if he's hungry, said he was. So King sent the sent poor Trooper Dan. She sent Trooper Dan to get him a sandwich.

Oh, my God. Fucking Trooper Dan. No respect for Trooper Dan. The worst. This poor guy got there, has had to find three bodies and two fucking dogs he's had to see dismembered, which as just a state trooper who mainly gives out parking tickets that's not what he wants to fucking do at this point or deals with traffic accidents not dismembered bodies maybe one that flew through a windshield but

he's out sandwich shop yeah and now he's got to go to the fucking bring sandwiches back to the fire station like what this is not my job no i am i am trooper dan i demand respect but she's all she's a detective so she says get your trooper ass out there and go get me a sandwich yeah and he says all right and he does it so uh they give nielsen a sandwich he eats and uh she again jennifer king again reads christian his miranda writes and he he states that he does understand his rights and he wants to speak with King right now. Then he says, yep, I did it. I killed all four of the people.

Here's what I did. You know, blah, blah, blah, and went over the list of what we did. Tells him everything. He tells her, here's a quote from the document here. When Detective Jennifer King asked him how long he had been considering killing people,

he told her that he had seen it coming for some time it was all he had really thought about since he was about 26 years old so apparently he's been just on having a blood lust in his mind internally for the last few years and he's used these last five years to try to find other things that's since he started having these thoughts that's when he went to school and that's's when he tried to do this and tried to do that. And maybe if I do this, I won't want to kill people. Keep my mind off. Yeah, keep my mind off of shit or whatever. Yeah.

He also tells her that he would have for sure killed a bunch more people if nobody caught him. He's like, oh, I would have killed way more people. This was too much fun. I was just going to keep killing whoever showed up. So it could have gone on forever. Honestly. How many people are in Maine? I don't know.

That's how many I could have gone on forever, honestly. How many people are in Maine? You know, I don't know. That's how many I could have killed. Whoever, the whole ski fucking, the whole winter crowd, I would have killed them all. Listen, I was coming for Ross and the North. I was getting them all. I was getting everybody. Because his chowder, he needs to work on his roux. I've been saying that. No, I'm a line cook.

I know a shit roux when I deal with it. I know roux quality. So don't fuck with me, dude'm a line cook. I know. I know a shit room when I when I when I deal with no room quality. So don't fuck with me, dude. Dude's fucking shitty, bro. So his father, Charles Nielsen, visits him at the Oxford County Jail once they book him into jail and everything. He's being held without bail, obviously, because we're going to let this kid out. I think I want to kill a bunch more people.

You know what? Go home for. Wait till your court date. let this kid out i think i want to kill a bunch more people you know what go home for wait to your court date so uh nielsen apparently there's a son smirked through a court hearing on tuesday but his lawyers are trying to tell everybody that he's not he's not this isn't fun he's not he's just he's not taking it lightly they say quote one of his lawyers says quote i can assure you he's not amused he's not been speaking to me in light banter so he's like he's he's this that was probably just an uncomfortable thing kind of like wait when laurie laughlin walks in the court she's got a smile on her face

it's just to be like this is fine everything's good right she's walking in there smiling going i can't believe this shit can't fucking believe this somehow somehow dave coulier is not the lead is not the most embarrassing person in that fucking cast now which is saying a lot that is depressing saying a lot there's the cast of flavor of love he would have been the most embarrassing person on it the cast of rock of love he would have been the most embarrassing real life he would have been by far most embarrassing person there so yeah uh he says that uh um he can't he can't explain that's all the lawyer says is the guy says he can't explain why he did it uh he said he discussed the motive with his attorneys but quote we never came up with anything concrete he just wanted to kill people and that was that uh the reaction to this town in this town is fucking

apoplectic this is like a nuclear bomb went off in the town this does not happen here this and all of these there's all of these ends and all this could happen anywhere absolutely starts freaking out i live in the woods someone could just come kill me and dismember me uh one of the people here the uh chief of police said this is a particularly gruesome and unusual type of crime to happen in Maine. It's a crime of horrific proportions. They're like, but still come here. Don't. This isn't normal for Maine.

We promise. Keep those tourist dollars coming. The Bethel Area Chamber of Commerce executive director said everyone is just numb with shock. It's something out of a horror movie. Yeah. with shock it's something out of a horror movie uh yeah his his uh his boss at the sudbury inn where he worked he said quote he was reliable and soft-spoken and a nice quiet guy i was surprised and shocked as surprised and shocked as the next person okay like we said showing up for your shift that's reliable he's fucking dedicated you can't take that away from the guy he's an asshole he

kills people and dogs and everything else but his follow-through is impeccable it's pretty that's what i mean i mean his dismounts kind of poor but it's piss poor he when he sets his mind to a goal i'm gonna show up on time he shows up on time i'm gonna kill his people and dismember them and take them apart i mean he does it so whatever uh yeah so uh the one of white hearst white sister, she is super pissed. She's like kind of the voice of the victim's families here. She says that she's going to drive from Arkansas to Maine to speak in court against him. Good Lord. To talk about her brother.

Why don't you fly, honey? She lives in Arkansas. I ain't getting on no flying machine. A lot of those don't land there. I ain't getting on no flying machine. I can't see through the windshield. I ain't going to get on it. A lot of those don't land there. I ain't getting on no flying machine. I can't see through the windshield. I ain't going to get on it. That's all there is to it.

So she says, quote, she's talking about her brother, quote, Jimmy had a big heart. He was trying to regain visitation rights with his children. Shit. He had a limp from polio when he was a child. My Christ. And spoke with a loud voice to compensate for his hearing loss so he was a partially deaf polio victim what the fuck he was just trying to get visitation rights to his children while being a handyman in an inn on fucking real this guy just

did not need this shit no he just wanted to go fishing and eat a sandwich and that was a great day for him oh my god it's his best day in years. It's his best fucking day. He probably doesn't have a lot of friends either. He's like, this is so great. I have a friend and we're going to go fishing. Terrific. And he gets shot in the fucking head.

She said he was a free spirit who liked the outdoors, motorcycles, snowmobiling, four-wheelers. His remains were sent to what they could get out of his remains. Not much. Were sent to Arkansas and buried in a cemetery. So that's good. At least he's got a resting place here. In the woods where he was murdered, his son, who was 16, I believe, James Whitehurst II,

set up a memorial in the woods where he was killed. He cleared the area and made a big shape of a heart out of rocks and plastic and made a big memorial thing. He put out an angel thing and there's a bird house and all sorts of shit. In the middle

of the heart is a big rock and he put a letter to his father under the rock. Made a big memorial for the thing. They put a set of wind chimes up from the tree branches right by where he was murdered. It's fucking rough, man. The families there are very heartbroken. they're destroyed nobody expected this nobody deserved it nobody was living a crazy

life where you'd expect to be murdered uh his son said quote in two days he killed him twice not once but twice because yeah he came back and then burned him um his son there didn't leave any other comments the sister said about the memorial this is is little Jim's way of putting it to rest. This Jesus Christ, his mother, Whitehurst mother, who's 78 years old, had trouble sleeping after that, wakes up in the middle of the night screaming with nightmares. She needs some sort of explanation and closure. She said, how about the truth? That would help. She just wants the truth so she can know what happened.

They don't in interviews they keep asking him they keep going back to him and going they think like if they get him one day and just go so why'd you do that he'll just have an answer yeah because of this and that okay fine they need to know why the only motive they could that he would give for the killings is that he said whitehurst was quote objectionable a pain in the ass and that he quote red red and red and one thing led to another which i don't know what that means he just kept reading about stuff and then it led it snowballed or whatever um but yeah that's that's all it was it started there and he couldn't stop killing after that that's it and he said he said it just

happened he said uh quote this is what they said. The prosecutor said this later. Quote, he stated that killing Whitehurst was like looking in the sky and wishing it would rain and then making it rain. That's how he felt about killing. That is horrific. That's the most terrifying thought I've ever heard. Fucking disturbing. Yeah. That's a person with bats in their belfry there. That is some shit flying around.

You can't shake that. That's not a normal thought. You sitting there, you can't like you can't shake that's not a normal thought no you you sitting there you don't have those thoughts all the time like that's just not um so yeah he's indicted on four counts of murder obviously uh here uh he files a motion immediately to suppress all the statements that he made to police on the evening of september 4th as well as physical evidence obtained as a result of those statements so he made to police on the evening of September 4th, as well as physical evidence obtained as a result of those statements. So he's trying to say anything he said to them from the car and all that shit.

He's trying to get that all suppressed. In his order to suppress, the court found that only one statement made by him in the course of his interactions with police should be suppressed. And that was the statement to trooper hansen that had that had it had been a while since the killings that's the only statement they said because that that was right after he we can suppress the shit out of that that's it that's the one thing and after nielsen told hansen that he had killed some people and before he had received his miranda warnings because that was that and so he says how you know when did this happen it's

been a while that was that so the court he says, when did this happen? It's been a while. That was that. So the court denies his motion to suppress all the other statements and evidence obtained. So at this point, they want to line him up in front of some doctors. Sure. And figure out what the fuck planet this guy is from. Is he sane? Is he crazy?

Is he just an asshole? What's the story? Because they're not getting shit from him. Psychologists testify at a competency hearing that he suffers from schizoid personality disorder and possibly other mental health problems, including possibly Asperger's, which is a mild form of autism, which is not a fucking something that makes you fucking violence at all. No, that makes you like way less makes you withdrawn for the most part and a little shy. Trust me. So it works. like way less makes you withdrawn for the most part and a little shy trust me it's that works so uh nielsen's uh lawyers here they're like i said they tried to confess suppress other shit and they're they aim to have him declared incompetent to stand trial there uh he's got kind of a uh

he his defense lawyer said that he recommended that he continue uh continue a trial using an insanity defense in hopes of having him receive treatment at a psychiatric hospital instead of defense lawyer said that he recommended that he continue uh continue a trial using an insanity defense in hopes of having him receive treatment at a psychiatric hospital instead of state prison but his lawyer says quote he has a right to do what he wants to do when we respect that so he doesn't know what's going on here uh james white her sister uh taylor that we told you about she says that she doesn't think christians uh is not as insane but more of a calculating killer that she likened to the devil which is kind of like a little far it's like calling somebody hitler it's like you've kind of lost the argument at that point because no one's

the devil and no one's hitler no this is one of those things there's no sting in that yeah it's it's tough uh she said quote when i first saw him on tv he had this smirk on his face like look what i did people which i could totally see her thinking that and wanting to fucking smash his face in. That's totally understandable because any kind of smirk you don't want to see on somebody like that. So a criminology consultant here who teaches forensic psychology, he says that it's really hard to tell what's going on in this guy's mind. psychologist psychology he says that it's really hard to tell what's going on in this guy's mind he said there's an immediate reaction that he must be crazy psychotic or mentally ill to do something like that and he may be but there are people including jeffrey dahmer who are not mentally ill who do things like that and that's what i mean he has the same affect as jeffrey

dahmer just like that's super i don't know i just had to kill everybody would you have killed more oh yeah for sure totally yeah big time yeah uh she said this or this doctor said quote he wasn't a perfectly normal person who got up one dated and did this he may have been able to keep secret to some extent of his violent fantasies and proclivities to do this generally these things are thought out and fantasized before they're carried out absolutely if you get in a fight with your wife and kill her from whatever that's happened on the spur of the moment or what do you might not have this desire but if you fucking kill four people burn one of them and dismember three of them you've been thinking about that shit for

a while because if the shock of the first killing isn't enough to scare you straight you're into that shit period now he's in jail, obviously. He's in county jail. He ends up being transferred to a different county jail because he allegedly, immediately upon getting into jail, attacks a fellow inmate. Jesus. Yeah, he attacked a fellow inmate. He grabbed a mop ringer out of a bucket. This is some, like, fucking Rikers Island style shit. Oh, that fucking thing with the handle on it that's just like hangs over the yeah that's the

shit that's like the most common thing that people get the shit beat out of in prison because they have prisoners that shit and they have yeah and they

have access to a mop ringer it's fucking Wu-Tang lyrics for Christ's sake mop ringer style that is a heavy son of a bitch I've never heard of

that yeah out of it's out of a bucket and hits an inmate on the back of the head with this fucking thing. Oh, dear God. In a room where the inmates were mopping the floor. It's the mop room, apparently.

One of the jail administrators said, quote, it was an unprovoked attack. It was quite serious, even though the inmate that was assaulted wasn't badly injured. It could have been a very serious injury. No shit. So they take him to, he's to be segregated from the other prisoners and put in a little crazy box all for himself. So he's also placed on suicide watch in December of 2006 after using a disposable razor to make deep cuts on his scalp that resembled the letter X. Good God. He's going fucking Charles Manson on us now.

This is. On the top of his head. This is on his forehead, on his scalp. I think like the right up kind of hairline area is what I think. Yeah, the letter X, which is... Yeah, exactly. He's doing that deal. May of 2007, he's lost 55 pounds in jail.

Wow. And he's not a fat guy. He's a skinny guy. And he's lost 55. He's a wine cook with whatever. They said his health is in danger and the sheriff had to go to court

to get a court order to force feed him. He has, they said since his first issue with the mop ringer, he hasn't created any trouble in jail and they've called him a compliant inmate. However, that the sheriff said that Nielsen while he was starving himself uh he did quote articulate his wish to die during his hunger strike is what he called it while he put the x on his head he's been eating little and

exercising obsessively and has dropped from 158 pounds to 103 pounds wow he's anorexic yeah absolutely he's not eating he's exercising he's trying to i don't know, he's anorexic. Yeah, absolutely. He's not eating, he's exercising. He's trying to, I don't know if he thinks that's going to make the jail look bad or something, but you're just killing yourself, asshole. They don't care. No. So, yeah, he's being monitored.

They ended up having to take him to a medical facility in the jail, obviously. The concern, they said, is that he's lost so much weight, his body could begin breaking down quickly without intervention. They said, our medical staff believes he has begun that slide. that's what adds to the urgency to our request this was in the

court uh court documents for a feeding tube he ends up being ordered committed to the riverview psychiatric center in augusta for uh assessment and treatment and he remained in jail though because he couldn't be transferred there unless his health stabilizes. So he can't go to the medical facility to get help for this. To get better unless he gets better. Yeah, they're like, we're not taking some dude who's ready to die.

That's on us then. Fuck you. Like, that's not in our budget. That's on you guys. Don't set us up to fail. No, no, no. So, yeah, they said that Nielsen has been in the jail's medical ward

since the hunger strike, and there will be a feeding tube inserted that Friday morning during a medical procedure. So he's got to eat now. Now his case here, I mean, it's got a, what do you do? Imagine being this guy's lawyer. No. First of all, he definitely did it. Second of all, he's not really helping very much.

He's kind of being just, he's making it worse at every pass. And you're, if you're having to explain his courtroom behavior rather than say what an injustice it is that he's there right you've lost the fucking plot it's like calling somebody hitler or the devil you're just you've lost so while insisting that he's competent he does acknowledge that he has not read any of the psychologists or psychiatrist reports on himself so he's like i'm saying i don't care what they have to say when he's asked why why he was not more engaged in his defense because the the he's saying i'm fine i'm competent and his lawyers are saying we're trying to get him to plead insanity and he's not fucking helping us so they have to go to the judge at some point and go look

he's saying he's fine he wants to be he's saying he's competent us as his lawyers are telling you he's not assisting in his defense so crazy people sometimes don't think they're crazy basically so you need to step in and make it make some crazy yeah you need to step in and make a judgment here you know judge so uh he uh they the judge asked him why are you not more engaged in your defense and he said quote there's not much i can do i'm not a lawyer so i've just left it up to them so far and they're just like see what what answer is that this guy's like fucking wallpaper he answered his with nothing so uh yeah he said uh his he uh he said his own defense lawyers you know say he's failing in his defense and he said no i'm doing fine it's them i guess that are that are fucked up he then says what his strategy is to the judge because i have a plan he's gonna lay his plan

out because i'm gonna lay a plan out to the judge he goes never mind these fucking lawyers here's my plan he goes my plan is that i hope to be found incompetent to stand trial and that'll delay the trial for like six months he's the internal legal shit that his lawyers told him in a huddle he's now telling the judge this is our plan of attack which you're not supposed to do so he said he's hoping he's going to get found incompetent to stand trial that'll delay the trial for like six months he says if that fails he's just going to plead guilty to four counts of murder that's his plan here afterwards the defense lawyer said no no no he doesn't know what he's talking about that's not the place that he was just simply stating what he thought you

wanted to hear judge he said that you wanted to hear a plan and that's he just put that out there but that's not really what we're talking about like we're not gonna no that's not the plan that's not our what the fuck christian elbowing him in the fucking rib shut up shut up fucking idiot so uh to be found competent he has to obviously understand the charges against him understand his own situation and have the ability to cooperate with his defense attorneys all of those things in a reasonable and rational way it says in the law and uh yeah the he says being emotionally engaged is not the prosecutor says look being emotionally engaged is not part of the legal standard set forth by the supreme court as i said he just looks like he's detached from the whole

thing they're like he doesn't have to be into it he doesn't have to be like oh yeah this is cool he just has to like be sane so uh finally they do end up finding him sane say he they this guy i don't know who's the one who stamps the saint on this guy's forehead. That's a tough one. That's a tough one. Because I don't know that he is. Well, that's the thing. That's the thing.

Yeah. I get the legal standard for sanity. The legal standard for sanity and the practical definition of the word sanity are way different. I'm pretty sure this guy is not that. That's what I'm saying. You can be 100% crazier than shit and be legally competent to stand trial. You've got to not know what year it is. Yeah, that's what I mean.

These standards are very loose. They have to understand the charges against him. If they're over four years old and not in a complete delusional meltdown, they can understand you've been arrested for cutting people into pieces anyone can do that understand his own situation understand that he's being charged with all this and have the ability to cooperate with the defense lawyers which could be just yeah okay let's do that right so the standards are so fucking low you literally have to be on another planet i I thought I was the high priest so-and-so from the planet whatever the fuck.

It's not I thought. It's I am. I am. That's why this is happening. And then I thought it even more. And I can do it because that's what I am. And it used to be back in the day the standards for crazy were way lighter. So there was a whole lot of people.

Any cases we cover that are like pre-1970 you'll hear a lot of was sent to a mental institution because they were crazy in term they just looked at him crazy in terms of society right they were either that's not fucking normal insane you're going there yeah so now it's not now it's a weird thing so now you have a lot of criminally insane people in prison which is why the prison popular because there's not a lot of never mind i'm not gonna not gonna get into the privatization of prisons and how profitable that is but that's the reason fucking why so yeah he's he pleads guilty uh to four counts of murder and admits dismembering them and everything else and burning mr whitehurst and all that type of shit uh this is of course

against his lawyer's recommendation to really push the defense insanity defense as much as possibly because i'm good i'm just gonna go i'm really fine really so sentencing comes around and this is the part here uh there is testimony from two doctors who declare that the motives from the murder remain a mystery they haven't been able to figure it out either science cannot tell what's in this dipshit's mind uh the dr ann leblanc is the head of the state forensic service which seems like she's probably pretty fucking smart she said that nielsen is not psychotic but suffers from a personality disorder with antisocial narcissistic and schizoid features she and a dr charles robinson

a forensic psychologist who was retained by the defense both agreed that he does have the capacity to understand his actions which everybody does let's be honest here unless you're drooling and staring into the sky and you know shouting chicken parmesan over and over again you understand your actions uh they said this doctor said quote folks like christian have emotions i love that folks folks like him he's not a folk after you've murdered four people and dismember three of them and burn another i think your folkiness goes out the window at that point folks like christian have emotions but with levels so much lower they don't impact them so yeah everybody has a desire to fucking murder somebody once in a while but not a desire that then keeps you awake at night

and makes you think about it all the time yeah you might be like i'll kill that motherfucker and then you go and have a sandwich and watch tv and you forget it happened that's normal uh you know so according to the prosecutor nielsen christian told the police that he aspired to be a serial killer for five years um you know all that sort of thing and also nielsen said to his doctor to the leblanc lady that he that he definitely would have killed more people if he wouldn't have been caught. His doctor here, Robinson, said that his actions constituted a spree killing, obviously here,

where the murders are committed with little interval between them and usually prompted by real or anticipated loss, which that's the thing. They don't know what the trigger is here. Every one of these things, there's always a trigger. Oh, his wife just left him. Oh, his kid just drowned in the pool. Or, oh, this happened. There's always something, but this is, there's no... There's always a trigger oh his wife just left him oh his kid just drowned in the pool or oh this happens there's always something but this is there's no there's just a

question mark he's got he didn't just lose his job that he'd worked for for 20 years and had his whole identity wrapped up in or anything like that he just he may have been being evicted from a bed and breakfast it's and he's a real transient dude who goes everywhere it doesn't seem like enough to go on a killing spree figure it yeah figure it. Yeah, he'd figure it out. So, I mean, I guess if you're on the edge. Maybe not. Maybe that'll push you over. Now, the prosecutor said that Nielsen's illnesses make him an extremely dangerous person.

And the uncertain mental state makes it possible that he will reoffend if released from prison. So he said, he's so crazy, we have to keep him in prison. Because he's not crazy. That's what I'm saying that the logic jesus i am a logic fucking i need logic and when i hear shit like that i'm just like oh i get it legally but logically oh my god i will shit makes me want to buy an island and set up a logical government there for me and then like nobody else me and sarah and the dogs and you know that's it it's gonna be all logic based i've had this shit had it so uh yeah uh discussing the aggravating factors the prosecutor said the murders were premeditated and that uh christian intended to

cause multiple deaths he set out to do this he also said that nielsen desecrated their bodies killed uh julie's dogs and had used a dangerous weapon to both commit the murders and dismember the bodies right so he's just got the full range of aggravators yeah uh yeah the prosecutor said he came back the next day to burn the body and hide it and then yeah and then wait there's so much aggravated so much aggro he had so much time to cool off and so much time to think. And then he that that killing didn't dissuade him from killing more people. It's easy. Yeah, he's he definitely deserves a lot here. The prosecutor said this case isn't a tragedy. What Mr. Nielsen did is an abomination. Yeah, which is accurate. It's hyperbole, but also accurate. So, you know, his defense attorney argued that the prosecutor was downplaying Nielsen's recent actions.

He said that his unemotional personality inhibited and inhibited his apology. That's the thing. So he doesn't have an emotive, emotional personality that inhibits its apology and that he does take responsibility for his crimes. He pled guilty. So obviously, he takes responsibility. That's not just the most prudent legal course of action to take. He's calling culpability right now. He's calling culpability, yeah. So, you know, there.

So, he also says that in previous murder cases, the state only, in this state, they only resulted in life sentences if the defendant doesn't take responsibility for the crime. He's like, this guy's taking responsibility. He pleaded he shouldn't get life this lawyer is actually trying to talk about maybe parole one day oh yeah he's talking about not life because life in maine is life there's no parole on life life is that's why life's a big deal there and they only convict

people in life because that's all life is life without parole okay so you're fucked at that point so uh but the the prosecutors wrote here the defendant has shown absolutely no real remorse or even comprehension of what he's done his psychological condition and anti-social thinking make it chillingly likely that he will re-offend in the future and i would probably agree with that with them yeah unless you can get some serious medication in this guy on a daily basis and even then who knows uh now they get let the victim's families testify also and his sister white her sister drove from arkansas uh there's several a lot of emotional shit here brooke bullard who's julie's daughter and selby's sister

said honestly my first thought was any form of torture permissible by law every day about him which is like wow that okay. Any and all every day. Whoa. Donna Diana Taylor White. Her sister said he destroyed our lives. Selby's sister also said, shame on you, Christian. How dare you play God? They read a letter from Selby's 10 year old son.

I won't read anything from that because it's too much. But holy shit. Will that make you get? I got a 10 year old and i know what he can write that's victim impact man oh boy oh boy that is rough shit impacts as fuck it's bad stuff wrecked hit it's a bad one yeah they also spoke of the effects on the murders on their own lives brooke bullard said she became anxious and feel fearful for her own safety and that of her children impatient and intolerant of people and just been very anxious and feel fearful for her own safety and that of her children and patient and intolerant of people and just been very anxious and everything

else. Julie's sister, Julie Bullard's sister said, quote, I've lost my faith and I've lost my belief in the goodness of the people around me, which is rough here. The Cynthia,

Cynthia's brother, Selby's friend, Cynthia, who got killed there said, quote, not a day goes by that. I don't cry when I think of her, my life and countless others will never be the same without her.

So obviously people are fucking upset. He's wiped out four people. These people had kids and every one of these people had kids and families and everything else. I feel bad for Selby's kids because their dad died in a fucking car accident and they lose their mom now. And by the way, oh, grandma, I'll take care of you. No, she won't because she's also dismembered in the fucking woods. So it's brutal. Now, Charles, Christian's father, Charles Nielsen, he gets up and apologizes.

This fucking poor guy. If I'm him, I don't even show up. That's what I mean. Unless the well, he's embarrassed. Yeah. Unless you did something torturous to this child where you think you caused this thing. You're just got to be i feel bad for this guy he apologized for the grief and emptiness that christian's actions

caused everybody uh he he uh when he turned when he finished speaking he turned to his son and he said christian i love you so he's trying to be a good dad i mean just jesus christ man this is brutal uh christian's mother is there. She said, I can only pray that the grief which fills people's hearts today will heal in time. What is she going to say? She didn't fucking do it. Nielsen's family asked that he receive help for his mental disorders. That was that was their plea, basically.

Yeah. His sister said, quote, No one in their right mind would do the things he did. He is sick or he's sick and he needs some help. There is some good that can still come of this tragedy. I don't know about that. I think we're pretty good throwing him away for a while. Now, midway through his sentencing here, he he faced he turned around in the middle of the thing and toward the victim's families and said, told them, quote, I'm sorry for what I did. But that's all he said. He just turned to them and a quote i'm sorry for what i did but that's all he said he just turned to them and said i'm sorry for what i did and uh they did not accept that um yeah they the cynthia beaston's mother beaten's mother beats and sorry beats and cindy cindy

beats and mother uh she said the apology was quote empty and disgusting, which it sounded like. Hey, sorry for what I did. Like, you're not a kid that broke a lamp. But what did you do? Do you know? Do you know what you did? That's what I mean. That's a little child. Sorry.

My bad. The assistant attorney general called the apology, quote, grossly insincere. I would say so. I would agree with that. The defense here, now they're trying to mitigate here. They said that he's been, they're like, well,

he's been cooperative with police. That's something. Remember that part? Remember that? One time he said it. He gave them the story. They said that he was trying to improve his life

before the murders and he was trying, he was making an effort. She said, you know, his mental condition may be treatable in the future. We don't know what science is going to bring us. That's literally what they said. In the future, we don't know if his mental condition could be in 20 years. You might be able to give him a shot

and he'll be perfectly sane. Didn't see back to future. That's what I mean. We might have hoverboard. You don't know this. Don't keep hoverboards from my client. It's unconstitutional. So that's what they're saying though that's their defense that's their way of trying not to get life maybe they'll have a pill in 20 years that'll make him not crazy and then we he's fine so you can't build fences and shit yeah so based on future science she wants him to go there uh and she also said quote i disagree with mr benson who's the prosecutor that he would commit these terrible crimes again based on what he said he would he said he would and she also said, quote, I disagree with Mr. Benson, who's the prosecutor, that he would commit these terrible crimes again.

Based on what? He said he would. He said he would. He's got no control. He said when he killed someone, it felt like he asked for rain and got it. That's fucking... That's disgusting. That's a release.

That felt good to him. That's what serial killers do. He loved it. Yeah. Wow. So the judge did agree with some of the defense argument he rejected the prosecutor's arguments that the murders were for financial gain based on stealing the rings or whatever and that and also that christian had taken trophies by cutting the fingers

to remove their rings he also said that christian's his criminal history considered consisting of seven misdemeanor vehicle motor vehicle offenses was minimal no history of violent crime uh the the uh the he's talked about this dr charles robinson talked to him 20 times and still is completely puzzled at the motives for this whole thing which is you know he quotes the doctor saying quote the doctor said quote i feel like i do not understand what has happened to him. Yeah. Which is that's he quoted that anybody would.

Absolutely. And also the judge said, quote, Christian Nielsen is not in denial about what he did. When all is said and done, Christian Nielsen has committed four of the worst acts, criminal acts in recent Maine history. He says mitigating factors are not enough to reduce the sentence you sir yes may fuck off four life sentences wow to be served consecutively oh shit and he made a point to say since life sentence has no possibility of parole here uh this is symbolic yeah to he said that the four individual sentences would allow family members to know that he was serving a term for each of them. Basically, it's just a symbolic thing because, yeah, it really doesn't matter.

Getting out anyway. He ain't getting out is what it is here. He dismissed. But the judge in generally, though, he dismissed a lot of the aggravators put forth by the prosecution. They were like, look, calm the fuck down. We only need one. Yeah. And to the defense, it was like, calm the fuck down we only need one yeah and yeah and to the defense it was like yeah yeah calm down there also right he's a crazy fucking i don't want

him on the streets anymore and i have the power to make that happen so you guys are treating these charges and mitigators like it like a fucking like it matters like a kid at halloween at the house with just the bowl open only take one and we'll move on. Yeah, take a fucking blow pop and keep going, you asshole. So, yeah, this is symbolic. The sentence was, they said, by the time they came to make a ruling, the sentence was even more severe than, because originally the prosecutor, though,

had asked for three life sentences to be served consecutively, and he got four. So they ended up getting more, even though they got a lot of their shit taken. I don't know what more he wanted. The judge said, I think that there is net mitigation is what he said. But when all is said and done, Christian Nielsen has committed the four worst acts

in criminal recent history. So he has 21 days to appeal there. The family here, Selby's sister said, quote, we are relieved that we are not subjected to a full trial and we are grateful that the state has imposed the highest possible legal penalty honoring the value of each life that was

taken yeah so the families were satisfied with the uh results but there's still appeals yeah to go yeah and there's some appeals based on some uh some interesting legal shit here uh he can he contends his statements to the police must be suppressed on numerous grounds he said that suppression that he all that evidence that they have is bullshit is what he's saying here he said he was in custody at the time he made his initial incriminating statement to the trooper dan and thus his statement was taken in violation of his miranda rights okay now let's leave read a drop of the law here because not everybody's clear on this and if you're from another country you're probably definitely not clear on this.

So if a defendant invokes his right to counsel at any time during the interview with police, he is subject. He's not subject to further questioning until a lawyer has been made available or the suspect himself reinitiates the conversation. There's so many gray areas and loopholes that we've talked about multiple times on this shit when it comes to that. so many gray areas and loopholes that we've talked about multiple times on this shit when it comes to that uh but they say here that uh in order to invoke your fifth amendment right to counsel you must do so unambiguously so it can't be like i kind of want a lawyer it has to be like i'm not talking because i want a lawyer right now yeah that's what it has to be if a suspect makes a reference to an attorney that's ambiguous uh in that reasonable officer, in light of the circumstances, would have understood only that the suspect might be invoking the right to counsel.

Our precedents do not require the stopping of questioning. So they said, however, an ambiguous assertion of the right to counsel allows further inquiry into whether the defendant is, in fact, invoking his right or he wishes to continue without. So you don't have to shut up at that point. to whether the defendant is in fact invoking his right or he wishes to continue without so it doesn't you don't have to shut up at that point they say once in custody a defendant does not necessarily invoke his right to counsel every time he uses the word attorney because that's what a lot of people think if you just say well i want an attorney then they think that you have to be very clear about it but people don't know that that's the thing that that's the problem

this almost needs to be from a really this this will be two seconds, but from a really like picky legal standpoint, this almost needs to be like, what's in their mind? Do they think they're invoking counsel? Because they don't, not everybody knows the constitutional exacts of Miranda. The general person off the street doesn't know shit about it. So. Yeah, that's me. Yes, know shit about it. So that's me. Yes. I mean, everybody.

So, I mean, this is I'm reading from statutes. That's the only reason why we know we're talking about. But other than that, we wouldn't know shit. So it should kind of be. Did that person think he was invoking his right to counsel? I think there's something of that nature. I don't know. They talk about a specific case where someone was questioned by investigating agents, and he said, quote, maybe I should talk to a lawyer.

You see this. If you watch the first 48, every single person says, maybe I should talk to a lawyer. And they go, maybe you should. What do you need a lawyer for if you didn't do anything? You got something to hide? And then they go, oh, yeah. You're right. Yeah, exactly.

That's the thing. That's why you don't say maybe. Yeah. Meanwhile, if you got a cop in the box and you asked him one question, he'd be like, fuck you, lawyer. I ain't saying shit because they know better. They wouldn't say, that guy's not there to help you. That David Simon homicide book, there's a whole chapter on this.

The homicide cop is not your friend and he's not there to help you. He wants you to sign an incriminating statement. So that's the whole point of what we're doing here they're not going to help your ass so uh yeah they talk about in one statement someone said his right to an attorney meant that he should wait until he said i should wait until i see my lawyer and that was found to be an ambiguous uh even i should wait till i see my lawyer even as ambiguous he didn't say i won't talk until I have a lawyer. You have to say it very sternly.

So, yeah, they said finally a defendant's statement that he talked too much the way it is anyway without a lawyer doesn't amount to it either. So there were several different standards they tried to put. He also says the Miranda warnings administered by Trooper Dan were not okay okay they were defective as he called it defective it sounds like it's a you got a blu-ray player that's not lemon yeah it's like yeah this is old shitty blu-ray player from five years ago i took out of my closet and it's not working i don't know what's going on here so uh they found in the present case the court found the only statement made by christian that could possibly be construed as an uh invocation of the right to counsel was his statement in the present case, the court found the only statement made by Christian that could possibly be construed as an invocation of the right to counsel was his statement in the police cruiser in response to his father's question of whether he should wait for counsel. And he said that it was, quote, not a bad idea, which is not a direct.

It's ambiguous. That's not. Yeah, that's not what I would call an unambiguous, you know, asking for counsel. That's not what I would call an unambiguous asking for counsel. The court also found that Trooper Dan thereafter told Christian that it was his decision whether or not he spoke to detectives. Trooper Dan treated him straight up. He really did. And then Nielsen responded that he wanted to talk.

And the record supports these findings. The court also has to address what weight should be given to trooper Dan statement to Nielsen upon returning to the police vehicle after finding the bodies of the first two victims that Hanson knew Nielsen had quote, because he said, I know you invoked your right to speak to council is what he said to him. The court determined that although this late, this statement could lend support to a finding that he had invoked council, it's more likely resulted from the stress of the situation and trooper dan's desire to honor his request to only tell a story

once right only once according to accordingly the court concluded the overall circumstances did not lead to the conclusion that nielsen at any time invoked his right to counsel so they say we agree with that uh they say that uh waiting is not a bad idea is not the kind of unambiguous invocation to the right to counsel it's required by the law they also said uh the extent of the statement is just ambiguous and bullshit basically uh they said that you know trooper hands trooper dan's i know you invoked your rights shit uh is just it's all for context and it doesn't fucking matter they They said when questioned regarding his statement, Trooper Dan testified he had not intended to imply that he invoked his right to counsel,

rather that he stated that he was merely showing respect for the defendant's desire to only tell his story once by making clear that he only wanted the defendant to tell him where the third body was so he could make sure that the body was not alive and injured. So they said, yeah, they said it's conceivable that Trooper Dan's explanation is merely after the fact rationale. The context in which the statement came does not support that conclusion. It shows that Hansen was for a period of time the officer in charge of a grisly multiple homicide and had just prior to that statement discovered the scattered remains of human bodies and did not want to it's a little stressful yeah is what they're saying there's a lot of stuff going on and you're taking it back when you find fucking

dismembered human bodies and dog bodies for that matter that's also just as disturbing so uh yeah they said it was perfectly understandable that he might not precisely craft his question at that point to the defendant which which makes perfect sense. They said the state met its burden of proof by proving the evidence through all of this. They discern no error in foregoing the analysis here for Trooper Hansen's statement. And they they said that he did not knowingly or intelligently voluntarily. He said he didn't waive his rights. They say he did by doing that

they say that uh the only finally even if we were to agree with the suppression court's analysis we reiterate that whether a subject has invoked his miranda right to counsel is an is objective and it's a subjective thing basically is what they're talking about and for reasons they've explained the court correctly concluded none of the statements should be suppressed. Nothing is there. All the evidence stays. We find Nielsen's remaining contentions to be without merit

and do not separately address them. You, sir, may continue to fuck off. Judgment affirmed. He's in prison forever. Good. He will die in a main prison at some point. And no one will ever know

what the fuck was going on in this lunatic's head um and i'm not sure what's happening i'm pretty sure without this uh nobody would have known that that man was there no no no that's the thing this is i can't believe this is real i've never heard of anything nuts why is this not if you front page news if you look up like crazy main stories like or some shit like that it'll come up on a list of those but like if you don't live in the fucking ski resorts of maine you don't know shit i've never heard of this no one knows this it's fucking crazy it's barely out there this is nuts yeah you could make a fucking some sort of weird well they stephen king would just write a story based on

this yeah maybe jennifer king jennifer king will step her game up yeah get to work you know what jennifer king you got the name you do you're in maine yeah you have access to all these stories fucking you don't have to say shit you don't even have to answer the question just write just put king on the top of the book like written by king and then make it like it's just some creepy cover and have the story description be a main murder story people like oh it's the new stephen king you'll crush you'll sell like what you'll be a new murder story. People will be like, oh, it's the new Stephen King. You'll crush. You'll sell like what? You'll be a New York Times seller for sure. Hundreds of thousands of copies.

Easy. You're fucking set. Not bad, Jennifer King. So that, my friends, is Newry, Maine. Unbelievable. And that is Christian and Nielsen. It's a terrible tragedy there. James Whitehurst and Julie Bullard, Selby bullard and cynthia beatson beatson it's

hard to say so that is all those people and uh what a fucking disaster it's horrible i read this story initially yeah and i'm just like but what but when do they get to why yeah and it's just like the fact that they never got to why made it all the more fascinating for me that's what made him a stephen king character to me it was like just a weird i don't know creepy shit but uh if you like creepy shit like that you know you can do yeah goddamn tell us about it you're damn right you can do that you can get on itunes apple podcast the purple icon there on your phone and give us five stars it really really helps really helps us out a lot. Helps drive us up the charts. Like you would not believe we don't understand why it's iTunes and their

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