Small Town Murder - #126 - PCP, Sadness, Or Crazy in Houma, Louisiana

Episode Date: July 4, 2019

This week, in Houma, Louisiana, a series of unfortunate events derail a man's life, after he had done so much to turn it around. Family troubles, money troubles, and his wife having an affair with the playboy owner of the local country western bar really push him over the edge. So far, that the result is a bloody trailer, and multiple dead people? How could this happen? How did it escalate? And will they actually dust off "Gruesome Gertie", the state's old electric chair? This is a wild one!!Along the way, we find out that there are actually places south of New Orleans, that you shouldn't date people that you meet in rehab, and maybe you shouldn't tell everyone you know about how no one knows you committed a murder!!Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman New episodes every Thursday! Donate at: patreon.com/crimeinsports or go to paypal.com & use our email: [e-mail] Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder & Crime In Sports! Follow us on... twitter.com/@murdersmall facebook.com/smalltownpod instagram.com/smalltownmurder Also, check out James & Jimmie's other show, Crime In Sports! On iTunes, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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get fired get a ride up that minimum let's go on a trip jimmy what do you say i would enjoy it let's do this we're going for we came from maine last week all the way the far northeast and it was up like real close to canada a couple hours from the canadian border we were up there and out there in a shining mountain scenario elevated thing we're gonna do the complete opposite this week we're going down south below sea level these people literally have to crawl in a marsh to get to their town basically. That's where we're going. Way down south. As down south as it gets. Low sea level. It pretty much is.

We are going to Houma, Louisiana. Houma, which is H-O-U-M-A. But I have been told on good authority it's pronounced Houma. All right. Now, by these people, we don't know how they pronounce it. Because you can't understand a fucking word they say. We'll talk about it. Down here, this is south of New Orleans.

This is Creole shit. This is, yeah, very southern Louisiana. South of New Orleans. It's all panhandled down. There's a million panhandles. And this is some Cajun shit. These people, a lot of the people. Lip paralysis.

Seriously, people in this area. Nowadays, it's gotten a little bit less to that. But I've read a lot about in the 70s when this takes place. I was reading a book about a guy who was from there, and he was talking about how his grandmother only spoke French. Down there, they barely speak English. And the English they do speak is incomprehensible to anybody else in the rest of the country. You wouldn't learn English in a class, go there, and go, I'm going to speak to the people you would have no fucking idea that's another language yeah so presidential candidates skip this shit exactly just don't worry about it uh this is i've heard so many crazy

stories about this area so for this we're neither i'm not doing occasion accent because i can't even start so we're gonna keep with a panhandle accent for these people it's mostly because it's lip paralysis and then they make up words they make up words they skip whole letters and sounds they don't they can't they can't say a nuh thing so they just like skip it or they can't say like a ss at the beginning of a word they don't have a good ss yeah it's weird man uh so it's about an hour and five minutes to new orleans so it's south of new orleans that far away think about that it's basically just every like every intro into the next goodie mob song when that guy talks like that's the that's the southern thing that you you can't yeah that's just that's just mumbling though these people are

speaking half part french part dirt person part southern part english it's all fucking growled into one really weird cocktail that is not understandable to anybody else it's pungent it's another language man it's weird down there it's about an hour and five minutes to new orleans an hour 45 up to baton rouge and about five hours to get to houston which is kind of the closest normal place sort of and in the re i looked i was like wow there's not it's tough to get out of here uh it's in tarabon county tarabon yeah which is bonterre like nozari backwards so it's the earth yeah we've talked about that before uh zip code 70360 area code 985 it's about 14 square miles so uh it's not a big place, not a small place. There's some swamp in there.

14 square miles of worthless land. Yeah, it's full, boy. Motto, town motto. It's very straightforward, which I give them credit for that. It kind of makes you feel unwelcome in a certain way, but also maybe welcome. Let's see here. Quote, if you can understand a word we say, you're welcome here. I don't know.

That's inviting. It's a challenge kind of that's a weird not normally a challenge to tourists same with guadalajara yeah it's the same thing but at least that's a real language this is not a documented language that anyone can speak unless you're rosetta stone yeah there's no there's no no exactly you're not getting that uh history of this town there's a lot of unincorporated areas around here uh the largest is a place named bayou cane uh because it's it's weird that they some of these towns count in each other's census the way they're set up with these parishes it's very strange it's not louisiana's not set up like other states they have parishes not counties and it's a whole separate deal that we will not get into because it's boring as shit i looked it up and i'm like i'm not explaining this to people parishes are like wards boring yeah it's the same type of thing it's very strange it's a

setup a little bit differently uh so uh this place here it's named after historic homa is the native american tribe of the homa people who are believed to be relatives of the Choctaw tribe here. The United Houma Nation tribe is recognized by the state of Louisiana, but not federally. So, but they named a town after it, so you got that. The actual town was formed in 1832, incorporated in 1848. It's French, it's Cajun, like we said. It's so much French down there. It's Pirates of we said. It's so much French down there. It's Pirates of the Caribbean.

It's pretty much what it is. Yes, when you're pulling away from pirates, if you've been to Disneyland, and there's the guy on the porch rocking with the fireflies around him smoking the pipe, that's home of Louisiana. That's an accurate representation of this fucking town. You're just going through, except that guy in Pirates of the Caribbean doesn't try to rape you, which I feel like the real guy would dive right into the swamp and pull you from the boat. Some sort of disease that came from the mosquitoes.

Yeah, from the skaters. So, yeah, it's settled by French and Spanish colonists who made their way through here. The Cajuns, late 18th century, so 1700s here, the Cajuns settled in the region here. And they'd been expelled by the British, the Acadians, who are the Cajuns, another word for Cajun here, later on. They were expelled by the British from Nova Scotia during the Seven Years' War because they would not take a loyalty oath to the British king. Maybe they could, and they just weren't understood when they tried to. I feel like maybe that's it. They were like, we did our best.

Say the words. We are. We can't understand you. Get rid of these guys. They're not saying it. They're making fun of us, speaking in some gibberish. I don't know what that is. So, yeah, the number is about 15,000 people got expelled from there, from Nova Scotia.

About 3,000 of those settled in the bayou region here other people went to france yeah so either went to france or the bayou it was one of the two here so uh the french spanish the cajuns and the native american people mixed over the decade over the you know centuries here and that's cajun culture are all of these different things mixed together and throw in some overalls and a trailer that's cajun culture are all of these different things mixed together and throw in some overalls and a trailer that's sinking into the ground and you have pretty much essential essentially people gumbo kind of it's kind of people gumbo and that's fine that's usually makes usually that's good and genetic diversity is good i don't know what happened here but too much of the same we

found four things that don't go together apparently french spanish native american and uh acadians don't go together apparently they make occasions right so uh sorry we're really making fun we're really burning on them sorry man but listen it doesn't matter you can't say anything back to me also listen to the long island episode i make fun of uh where i'm from way fucking more so don't worry about it i make fun of where I'm from way fucking more. So don't worry about it. I make fun of Italian fucking Long Island culture a lot more than that. So this area was developed originally for sugar cane plantations in the years before the Civil War there, the antebellum years there, which is obviously before the Civil War started. It's weird, too.

which is obviously before the Civil War started. It's weird, too. Describing this period, they say that from the late 1700s until the start of the American Civil War, they call the antebellum era in the South, because it was marked by great economic growth of the South in the late 1700s until the Civil War. It's easy when you don't pay people to do shit. You really get a lot of, you can boom economically.

You're not paying anybody for that. You're telling me after the Civil War, we've done well for ourselves. The rope slowed down? It's odd, isn't it? It's strange. And some of the profits are taken away by paying people for shit.

Right. So an interesting thing happened here in 1862. Four Union soldiers were going from wagon by wagon from new orleans to uh to the homa area were ambushed by armed citizens oh armed cajuns coming at you uh two of the union soldiers were killed and the other two were wounded seriously so the army doesn't take you know lightly to bands of of backwoods hillbillies killing their soldiers. So in retaliation, they brought 400 troops into Houma and began wholesale arrest of citizens. Wholesale arrest?

Just all of them. Fuck them, round them up. Who did it? We don't know. Get them all. Fuck them. Fire sale. It's free.

Arrest for everybody. This is funny. Louisiana, especially, they had a real policy like that uh general was a butler i think down there union general had a thing in new orleans where he just was taking no shit from fucking anybody and would have like women arrested in the streets if they said anything to a union soldier like negative and shit like that just didn't give a fuck badass yeah so they made chamber pots with his face on it so you could shit on him oh that's how they retaliated so anyway the the after eating southern food that is a liquid especially back then the water's bad

everyone's dysentery all over the place jesus they're shitting all over his face yeah a historian wrote of these events of the troops coming in the investigation of the murders lasted several days but failed to reveal the guilty parties to frighten the citizens the home of a dr jennings was burned two other houses were torn down in the home and slave quarters of an outlying plantation were burned the soldiers next next began to seize sheep cattle mules wagons and saddle horses uh blacks began to desert their masters and that sounds terrible by the. That just does not sound right. And to flock to the protection of the troops, and the frightened citizens had no means of resistance,

and they couldn't really do anything. And so the slaves followed the troops out of town. Have a good one, everybody. We're going to go with those guys. Yeah, we have to. Now they burned our house down. So we really have no choice. Also, they seem to really believe in us not having to do this shit for you.

Yeah, this seems good. So we're going to follow them. We're going to take off with them and have a good one. See you later. So sugar cane continued to be a big deal here after the Civil War and into the 20th century because sugar doesn't grow everywhere in the continental United States. That's why it was so, that's why corn syrup is cheaper than sugar. Really?

Yeah. Because they, well, we pay people to grow corn that we don't need so we got to do something with it here make something that'll make everybody fat and die can you do that could you make something that'll make everybody die is that possible okay good excellent here no no we're gonna pay you extra to do that oh god jesus you're gonna get bonuses yeah you're gonna kill all your neighbors is that good okay perfect here have a pepsi so that's just delicious it's so good so uh the real sugar ones are so much better you like those better yeah you do yeah it's all i buy i hate the fucking corn syrup i don't know man i don't give a shit i like it it's delicious and especially

with whiskey oh god with whisk i don't know once you get into whiskey the syrups might help it i have no idea how that works but so uh the swamp land around homa and the that whole area is uh was pretty isolated from everything they talk about it like into the 1930s it was pirates of the caribbean like that right it was isolated nobody gave a fuck about it those people down there who cares we don't know what they're doing and we don't care and they have this shit land that we don't want anyway enjoy do what you want that's pretty much what they did here you boo uh exactly uh but uh outside influences uh like even like world war world war one patriotism like trying to get the war effort they didn't give a shit they were like that's all right you guys do we good they're we're good no problem we're good they wouldn't become

more americanized they're just like nope we're this is our culture right here, and we're sticking with it. Not a lot of change down here, please. No, please, no. They used French a lot, which was kind of the whole, that made it harder also when you went there, and these people barely spoke English. It was not easy, and they were in the same country. So apparently the culture is what attracts people down there today because it's like going to you know like an old west themed place or something it's like here's

this weird shit that people live like for some reason and they're fascinated by it which makes sense uh now in the 1970s a whole lot of south vietnamese refugees came in following uh you know when we left vietnam they a lot of south vietnamese refugees came here and a lot of them saw the settled in this area they settled in southern louisiana to work as shrimpers because they had worked as shrimpers over there so that's the same it was basically it's the same kind of it's a marshy swampy place with shrimp so same same deal that's how bubblegum shrimp factory came there you go a lot of them settled in new orleans and also in homo where it was a little easier to get into than new orleans

and also around there now there's a lot of still a lot of vietnamese families down there really stayed in that region working as shrimpers and working they've their own shrimping companies and things like that uh downtown home is a historic district it's all the whole thing's registered on the national register of Historic Places. It's got all sorts of... It's very old school. It hasn't changed. They've done that on purpose, and now it's become charming.

For a while, they were like, Jesus, this shithole hasn't changed in 100 years. And now they're like, this charming little quaint town hasn't changed in 100 years. It's funny how things can change just by the phrasing. It's just Instagram. Now I can take a picture and put it up.'s like isn't this quaint and charming before it was like it's a shit hall but if it looks cool in a picture with a certain filter now it's charming it's fucking amazing airbnbs fix everything there's no running water or bathrooms but charming do it for a weekend you'll enjoy what you have back home a lot more great yeah uh jesus christ it's it's this region is the last 40 years or so is

kind of modernized a little more than before it's still not you know up to pace i don't think but it's it's modernized a lot of the people still still work the gulf and do shrimping and oysters and they get you know oystermen and crabbers and fishermen and trappers and all sorts of shit like that it's a big deal yeah but also there's a lot of oil industry shit down there too people work there so uh you know it's that sort of thing uh louisiana apparently at some point was the homa louisiana was the site of the deepest oil well in the whole parish oh that's that's something that's dangerous homa was rated as i don't know what this means, Demographia, that's some site or something, 2013 International Housing Survey rated it as, quote, affordable.

Wow. So that's something to really hang your hat on. We're affordable. That should have been their motto. Demographia says we're affordable. Yay. Oh, boy. Oh, boy.

So people here, population, is a little bit over what we usually do it's usually 30 000 here right now it's 33 784 uh but even if it happened the murder happened right now this place is weird enough to qualify for small town murder yeah it doesn't matter how many people are here but uh when it happened there was also less than 30 000 people here we're going to talk about like uh the late 70s oh wow so yeah it's the late 70s cajun homo this is going to be this is small town murder right here is what it's all about baby right here i'm telling you in a time they were embracing body odor in a place where good lord is their body odor this is a place where maybe a game warden would be the first on the scene to investigate four homicides

like in minnesota in the middle of no that's small town murder that's why we do it because a game warden might show up to investigate how often does that shit happen on you know never tell me how many times that's happened id they cut to the first homicide detective on the scene i was working 15 years i had done about 145 homicide cases and they go through this whole thing and this guy's like i'm the game warden i was investigating a four-point buck out in the road and somebody said come over here there's people dead i said all right that's so many people are we doing so many so uh well he's probably of all the people in the town he's probably the person that's seen the most bodies at once. Probably, just not humans, unfortunately for us.

Just didn't happen to have the same DNA as us. No, no. Population up about 11% since 1990, so it's growing a little bit. Median age is about 36 1⁄2, so that's a little younger than the average. And whenever you have oil work and kind of a lot of outdoor work, you're going to get a younger crowd a little bit. Female and male is about the same as average, a little over 50% for female. Married population is a little lower than normal.

It's about 45%. 50% is the norm. So it's a little more than that. But there's a divorce rate's a little bit high. Everything else is kind of close to normal. Single with children, that's a higher aspect. So when you have a divorce rate that's higher, you're going to get more single people with kids walking around. Racially, it breaks down.

It's the exact amount of white people as the national average. Interesting. It's 61.53% white people. National average is 61.46%. How about that? So that's right on the money there. Black population here, 25.69%, which is double the national population, which it's Louisiana. Asian, 0.73, which is way less than the 5% norm.

And I assume that is the aforementioned Vietnamese population. I don't know what other Asians would. I don't know how you would think to go there. We're going to travel the oceans and end up in Houma. I live in this country. I've never heard of this. That's what I'm saying. There's no way somebody in China is like, wema. I live in this country. I've never heard of this shit. That's what I'm saying. There's no way somebody in China is like, we got to get out of this country.

Where are we going to go? The only place I've ever heard of this is Jim Cornette, the old wrestling manager, complaining about how fucking redneck it was back in the day and how the people, you'd have to fight women. Women would come up and punch you in the face. And he would be like, I'd be scared of them. They'd be big women with overalls. And they'd come up and sock you. And I'd think about it and i'd be scared of them they'd be big women with overalls and they'd come up and sock you and i'd think about it and then

just go the other way he goes people would try to stab you uh guys would pull guns on you in the parking lot just packs posses of hillbillies overalls literally would say tobacco juice dripping down their chin try pulling guns on bad guy wrestlers because they're you know they really believe it's real they get it down there. Yeah. Whoa, man. This is some interesting shit down here. And apparently that they thought it was real a lot longer than most people from what he said. A lot longer than most people. They didn't get the news.

They didn't get the news. They missed out on that. The radio was out that day. And it's funny, too, like the TV station in this town, like one of these people I was reading, somebody uh and it's funny too like the tv station in this town like one of these people i was reading somebody wrote about it and they said there's one tv station and it has a nightly news broadcast and then it has like a call-in thing after that and then it's a bunch of religious shit oh and they said like the programs are always getting like preempted for extra religious programming and shit he's like it's the worst television station there is. 66.3% of the people here are religious.

So that's some superstitious stuff going on down there that's going to be more religious. Normally, it's about 50-50. 10% Baptist. 49.2% Catholic, though. They are Catholic down there. That is one thing. 0.0% Jewish. Like, no. I don't think thing. 0.0% Jewish. Like, no, I don't think so.

0.0% Islam. No, maybe I'll pick somewhere else to move them there. Last election, this is in the county, 24% voted Democrat, 73% Republican, because it's pretty rural. So that's just how the statistics break down. Very Catholic.

And very Catholic. Unemployment rate here is 5.1%. It's a little above the national average, rural so that's just how they how the statistics break down very catholic and very catholic unemployment rate here is 5.1 it's a little above the national average but nothing to go crazy about uh median household income is about 43 000 which is the national average is about 57 and a half yeah could be worse though could be a lot worse but the problem is the it's a kind of a there's a chasm between people with money and people who don't have money 21 of the people make under 15 000 a year 21 21 and 29 make under 20 000 a year it's basically a 30-year population makes under 20 grand a year that's not a good economic no matter what the median income is that that shit doesn't matter. That's bad.

That's not going to help. Yeah, a lot of poor people is what that means. A lot, a lot of poor people. So a lot of the jobs here are like the mining and oil and shit like that. Ten and a half percent of the jobs. It's normally less than one percent of jobs. So that's the main kind of thing. Retail trade a little bit because there's some tourism there for some ungodly reason.

Food services. I don't know uh cost of living in this town uh normally 100 is regular average par here it is about 94 and uh the housing is is an 81 so not terrible uh median home cost 164 400 okay so not awful it you know, could be worse. Put it that way. But more people can't afford that. No, and there's a vast variety here. Like there's 7% of the houses are worth less than $20,000, which is double what normally the amount it normally is.

Not a lot of anything over a million. Not a lot of that existing here, but a lot in the, you know, $100,000 to $300,000 range. that existing here but a lot in the you know 100 to 300 000 range and if we've convinced you oh boy to get down south as far as you could possibly go we have for you the home of louisiana real estate report your average two-bedroom rental here is about $895, which still seems like too much. That seems high. Yeah, the national average is about $1,250, but still too high. I found a four-bedroom. This has a lot to do with neighborhood and area here is what I'm doing this on purpose.

Four-bedroom, two-bath, 1,950-square-foot place in not a nice neighborhood, $110,000. Okay. So that's a nice house. Cross your fingers that it gets gentrified. Yeah, or not gentrified at least, but just not criminalized, vandalized. Pray that they start obeying the law. Homicidalized. Found a three-bedroom, two-bath, 1,200-square-foot house in a nicer area, $129,000.

So, you know, littler house, better, whatever. Then, if you don't care, it's just a nice house. Four bedroom, two bath, 2,779 square foot house. Very nice spread out. Nicely done. Kitchen's very nice. $377,000. $400,000.

$400,000 to live there. Things to do. Holy shit. Did I find some things to do? There's a lot? I found some stuff to do. This is wonderful. I found the things to do. There's a lot? I found some stuff to do. This is wonderful. I found the...

Jesus Christ. Tab Benoit's Voice of the Wetlands Music Festival. Who the fuck? Tab Benoit. Who is Tab Benoit? He's the guy who runs the Voice of the Wetlands Music Festival. That was established in 2005. Is he like a comedian where he failed and he was like,

fuck it, I'm starting a festival? It showcases, they claim it showcases dozens upon dozens 2005. Is he like a comedian where he failed and he was like, fuck it, I'm starting a festival? Maybe. They claim it showcases dozens upon dozens of world-class musical artists kicking off the weekend on a serious musical note in the traditional Friday night guitar fights with performances from the likes of Joe Bonamassa,

Tad Benoit, Sonny Landreth, Paul Bererer, Camille Boudouin, Mike Zito, and Joe Stark. Joe fucking Stark's going to be... Hey, get in the truck. Joe Stark's playing. Sarah, round up the kids, everybody. Call them.

Get the dogs. We're bringing the fucking everybody. Tell the neighbors. Is your mom... Does she know? You know what? Fuck this whole festival. He said start on a great what did he

say about he's serious oh fuck you serious oh fuck off serious serious very serious serious fuck off that's what that is oh man christ he had to throw a pun in in his advertisement oh my god this is terrible fucking jerk in the past they've had Susan Cowsill, Amanda Shaw. Well, great. I missed it. Chubby Carrier. Not Checker? Not Checker.

What the fuck? He carried Chubby Checker. I was the guy who carried Chubby around. So that's my gig. And I learned to play the guitar. And it says, and especially Louisiana LaRue. Gotta have them. I don't know what the fuck that is.

Whose appearance is it? Stoney's relative? Apparently. Must see tradition, they're saying there. It's rave reviews. Sold out. So there's food, camping. Stay the night.

Enjoy the moon stars and some late night jam sessions. No thanks. There's a crafts market. A poster artist there who'll make posters for you, apparently. He's worked with the Grateful Dead and Fish, so it'll be psychedelic and trippy anyway. It's a tie-dye. There's a kids area. It's just a pen, I feel like.

We're going to get drunk now and listen to John Stark. So y'all are going to have to stay in here, and they probably have animals for you to pet or something. I don't know. Bye! And just walk away. Stoney didn't show up, but we got Louisianaiana so we're gonna go watch that shift have a good one you can volunteer a note from tab benoit the president let's hear what tab has to say oh boy he says i live in the heart of it i grew up on 300 acres we have 40 left that's a big deal you

tell anyone who has 300 acres of land in 20 years you're gonna have 40 it's not that somebody took the land it's not that somebody took the land. It's not land anymore. It's open water. The places I wrote my first songs are gone. The places I learned to play and camp and hunt and fish are gone. It's open water now. It used to be cypress swamps and bayou trees.

That hits home when it happens so fast. There's an environmental message behind this festival, apparently. What is it called? Is it Tad or Tab? Tab. Tab. Tab. Like the soda. Yeah, Tab. What the fuck? Is it Tad or Tab? Tab. Tab. Tab. Like the soda.

Yeah, Tab. What the fuck? Waters have encroached on Tab. Okay. Everywhere that I have memories is all underwater now. It's all underwater. Well, you shouldn't have bought 300 acres of land that was 20 feet below sea level, probably.

That's a good start. So, also the Rougerou Fest. Yeah. Rougerou is described as a creature with the head of a wolf or dog and a human body. No. So they're going to have a festival about that. It's been handed down the legend for many generations. The legend?

The legend of the Rougerou. It's called a lie. It's just a... There's no... Dog head, man body. How you doing? I wonder what he speaks legend i can understand dog better but that's fine legend has it legend has it there's a man

there's a i don't know it's a rougeroo it's got the body of a man and the head of a dog or a wolf i mean we're not being picky about it it's just a chompy thing barks a lot i don't know i'll buy it i'm in let's go to have a festival about it fuck this place is weird festival what is happening what's a what's a what's festival i don't understand i don't get it i don't so every we're gonna get a message from one of these oh someone's yeah you know it's gonna be tab benoit's gonna message us and be like listen i say i say he's gonna foghorn leghorn himself around an email that's half written in french and we're not gonna

understand what the fuck he's talking about to fucking uh mr ross in the north for composing oh yeah that was great this had comedic yeah that was great there's no way this fucking guy's gonna get the joke he's gonna be like you guys are just not understanding. Y'all are bastards. Have y'all ever lost land to a flood? To a flood? To the water? Well, I give you a lot of credit, Tab, for having the forethought to buy land that's fucking slanted. Yeah, good job.

Nice work, Tab. Who knows about Tab? Unbelievable. The crime rate in this town, what we're interested in here, is property crime about double the average. So they will steal your shit down there. Listen, they're pissed. They're pissed. I would say losing all the land.

They're going to steal something. Maybe that's what the floodwaters didn't take. Someone stole it. Violent crime, murder, rape, robbery, and, of course, assault. The Mount Rushmore of crime is a little high, but in the ballpark, it's under 10% high. So it's pretty close there to in the ballpark. So let's talk about a murder. Yes.

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listener. Follow the Generation Y podcast on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to Generation Y ad-free right now by joining Wondery Plus. Okay, let's do this. August 11th 1977 let's start there okay so i've had like fuck 350 acres tabs land was going just went as far as the eye could see here to the sunset that's tabs land so 77 so you have to imagine home of louisiana in 77 so everything we described it as was still in effect then it's a modernization there is no internet that's brought these people this is one tv station right they think wrestling is very very real and are willing to stab somebody over it this is what we're discussing here it's it's an

interesting time uh so very rural and uh about 30 000 people in the area. So around here, August 11th, 1977 is where we'll start. And we'll start with Wayne Melanson. I think that's how you spell his name. M-E-L-A-N-C-O-N. So it's Melancon. Melancon, yeah. There's a million different ways to say that. So I'm going to say

Melanson. Or we can call him by his first name. We'll just call him Wayne. That's real easy. He's not in the story very long, so Wayne doesn't matter that much anyway. Let's just go with Wayne. How about Wayne? Wayne is, and I don't know what this is, a wireline operator. Is that an electric thing, or is he running a zip line?

He could be like, ah, Jesus. You know what? The last time I guessed something, because you said pipeliner, I didn't realize that was one word. I saw it as two words. A pipeliner welds pipes. I know that. Pipeliner, i didn't realize that was one word i saw it as two words uh a pipeliner like welds pipes i know that pipeliner it's in pipeline right yeah different thing okay so this this is one word wire line upper wire line and separate word operator but you know what it's the south and they could throw you for a fucking i assume it's something to do with oil yeah based on where

they are could be like the rigor that that's Something to do with an oil field or on a rig or something. That's what I assumed it was. Because a wire line operator doesn't make any sense in the... I've never heard that term in the electrical industry. Okay, so that's what I said. It's either an electrical term, and Jimmy will know it, or else it's an oil thing. Either one. I can understand

a wire operator or a line operator. But a wire line? What? So, anybody out there who knows anything about wire line operators you can go ahead and tweet us and feel free to tweet yeah this is a feel free to tweet moment and then the other point is that uh if you feel like you want to tweet uh google or search on twitter wire line operator and then our handle just to make sure put your thumbs underneath do that another thing and this is tip, and I'm not trying to be a dick here. When people tweet, do an episode on this person for crime and sports or do this, check, just

go to whatever you listen to and search small town murder or crime and sports and then the thing you're looking for. And it'll pop up if we have an episode on it or not. So it's because then if you ask me, I don't remember. So I have to find it. And I'm like, oh, yeah, it's episode 70. But I didn't know that. I remember the names. Yeah. But so if somebody oh, yeah, it's episode 70. But I didn't know that off the top of my head.

I remember the names. Yeah. So if somebody says, would you guys cover Toe Nash? Yeah. We did. We did. Which one? Well, what the fuck?

You got to go in, Crime and Sports. No, I got to do the research for you. Crime and Sports, Nash. All right. Okay, episode whatever the fuck. It's 70, I think. So there you go. Right.

So coincidentally, he was from around this area. That's why I said it, because he's from Louisiana. Very, very right. It happened yesterday on twitter there so this wireline operator which we're unsure of what that is wireline wayne over here yeah he works in homa louisiana he is driving in the rain through homa which sounds miserable sounds sticky by the way it is so fucking hot here. Really? Oh, my God. I was looking up the temperatures. The average temperature in June, July, August is like 105 degrees, 104 degrees. And the humidity is like 180%.

Yeah. So it's just sticky. Yeah. I mean, fucking brutal, man. That always fascinates me. 100 and plus percent wet. How does it get more? How could it possibly be wetter? It's so humid. Like, 100 plus percent wet. How does it get more? How could it possibly be wetter?

It's so humid. Like, you just can't. Rain is a relief. At least it's actually turned to water now, because it's, wow, what an awful, awful thing. So he's driving in the rain, and he sees a couple, a young couple in their 20s, walking in the rain, husband and wife. Sure. And he doesn't know they're married, but he just sees a man and a woman walking in the rain um husband and wife sure and uh he doesn't know they're

married but he just sees a man and a woman walking in the rain and they look to be together so he stops and offers them a ride and he ends up picking these two up and they hop into his dry car which must have seemed like a godsend at that point in time uh so uh they'd never met before uh wireline wayne had never met this this guy he picked up or his wife he didn't know anything about it um he ends up taking this couple uh to their to their house uh to their home and he uh helped them uh unload i guess they had some groceries that they were carrying in the rain that's why he stopped and so he kind of you know helped him in with the groceries and they were like yeah come on in for a minute grab a drink this is friendly this is some small town shit number one in the city no one's picking you up and number two if they do like, yeah, come on in for a minute, grab a drink. This is friendly. This is some small town shit. Number one, in the city, no one's picking you up.

And number two, if they do, they're going to drop you off like a block away from your neighborhood. Like, is this good? All right, good. Get out. Close enough. They're not going to offer to come in and help you put your groceries away. No. I'm going to help that hitchhiker stock his pantry quick.

That is fascinating because I have seen people walking down the street carrying groceries, like a lot of them. And I'm just like, Jesus, that sucks.esus that sucks i kept going yeah because you're from a you poor fuck you're from here you know my first thought is there's probably guns and weapons oh they're gonna rob me within those bags they got a lot of guns in those bags wow he needs a whole bag a bag for him there's no way i'm stopping for that murderer whole bag of guns i don't know it's probably just some dude trying to feed his family. Yeah. More than likely.

More than likely. Probably. More than likely a bag of guns. You're right, Jimmy. There's no fucking... In Arizona, there's no fucking way. Everybody's armed. Yeah.

Everybody's got a goddamn gun. We were in Target. I took my daughter to Target the other day, and we were walking in, and it was just so... It's one of those cases where I'm standing there, and we were looking at headphones. I needed headphones, and there's a guy next to me, and I look walking in and there's and it was just so it's one of those cases where i'm standing there and we were looking at headphones i needed headphones and there's a guy next to me and i look down and i just glance over at a guy next to me and he's just got a giant gun in a holster right on his waist right there and he's not a cop no definitely not he's got like paint stains all over his pants and shit like that and like he's not like an on-duty police officer or anything and i'm just looking at him i'm like like guns or not like an on-duty police officer or anything. And I'm just looking at him. I'm like, like guns or not, like we're in Target, dude.

You're in the Apple section of Target. Come on, bro. Leave it in the fucking seriously. I get you want to defend your home or whatever your family, but no, I guarantee you no one's going to attack you while you're looking at Apple headphones. I need a six foot core. Oh, shit. Intruder.

Like, that's not going to happen. Relax. Well, and to that point, I carry a six foot core. Oh, shit. Intruder. Like, that's not going to happen. Relax. Well, and to that point, I carry a gun a lot. All the time. In Target? It's tucked away. You can't fucking see it. In Target?

Yeah, I do. Why do you have a gun in Target, Jimmy? Stop carrying a gun in Target, you dumb fuck. That's how accidents happen, you stupid bastard. No, it doesn't get it. It doesn't happen. What's going to happen in Target that you could possibly defend against? I have no fucking idea. In a giant store with shelves and tons't happen. What's going to happen in Target that you could possibly defend against? I have no fucking idea.

In a giant store with shelves and tons of people, you're going to let off shots that ricochet all around and kill children? No. Why? It's a dark place.

If someone starts firing off guns, the last thing you need is crossfire. Fucking duck. That didn't work out for like 50 people in Colorado. No. Dark theater with flashing guns you can't see shit you don't know what's happening you're gonna end up shooting the

wrong person that's gathering have them because fucking everybody else has it firing into the ceiling i don't know what's happening i don't know what i'm doing i'd rather be that guy than the guy with my hands over my face going, not me, I got this. If you can't see him, it doesn't matter. Take it to a place where you could actually possibly defend yourself is what I'm getting at. My point is, where else am I going to take it? To the gun range? They rarely shoot up dudes at the gun range. Because everybody's got a gun there.

Well, also, too, it's kind of a secure location. Right, but they like to go places where nobody's got guns and i'm scared where is that everywhere else everyone has a gun here you just got done saying that no i mean like so do they have guns or does everyone not have a gun which one is i mean like it's not obvious that everybody has the gun okay i got a gun range everybody's got one yeah they're out right all right that's my point but in target every goggles on assume that nobody's got them unless it's in fucking arizona that's what i mean in california nobody's got a gun in target in arizona yeah fucking people guys costco forget it you can stand in costco and see more people going in with a gun on their hips then you could

sit at like a fast food counter and watch people drive away and take a nibble of the fries out of the bag. Yeah, it's ridiculous. And yeah, if you've seen the people going into Costco, I don't trust all these people to handle firearms. I just don't. That's why I don't shop there. I don't trust people to drive correctly.

I don't trust people. You know how when you get McDonald's, like Jimmy was saying, you eat the fries, you pull away five feet and then you look in the bag and check? That's because people do shit shitty. That's why. That's true. Now, you don't trust him to make a fucking hamburger. What if he's armed?

That's even worse. People are stupid. That's a great point. We got a dude that can't make... He can't count cheeseburgers and put them in a bag, but he doesn't have to count ammo, I guess. Here's the deal. You can all have guns. You't have to count ammo i guess here's the deal you can all have guns just have to talk to me first that's it give james the call that's it i don't know

fucking laws we don't need all this bullshit i'm not trying i'm not trying to make any extra short questionnaire are you a jerk off talk to me for a minute hey asshole i want to have confidence in you as a human being before you walk out of here with the ability to kill a bunch of people you stupid fucks so that's all if you pass fine walk around target knock yourself out i trust you i trust you with a gun you're not going to start shooting people just because i'm a victim i'm a goddamn statistic and i don't want to be again well understandable understandable i'm tired of it it's happened too many fucking times oh yeah i get happens. So this guy, though, he takes these people home and helps them unload their groceries and, quote, visits for a while.

He doesn't know these people. He's out of his fucking mind. He just drove them home. And he's just hanging out in their home. And, yeah, he asked the wireline Wayne, asked the two people, him and his wife. He said, hey, you guys should come over to my house to get better acquainted. He said, let's all hang out more. This is great.

I've never heard of a hitchhiking situation turn into a. You know, this has been great. I appreciate what it was. I'm going to return the favor. You just gave them a favor. Y'all have been good company is what he said. Why don't you come over to my house and get to know me a little better? Holy shit.

So they were like, sounds good. You know what I mean? Which, A, anybody who's picking you up, you're leery of them. And then you let them into your house and now you're going to go to his house too. This is all just very trusting 70s Southern shit. None of these people,

Law and Order hadn't been on television yet. Not a lot of media got there. I feel like they're like, what's the worst that could happen? He's got, you know, bad moonshine. I don't know. What's the worst that could happen yeah he's got you know bad moonshine i don't know what's what's the worst that could possibly happen so uh so uh the couple uh uh go to not the couple just the man who he picked up they go to wireline he goes to wireline wayne's house with wireline wayne uh where they listen to some music uh tab ben y assume sure allman brothers joe stark and louisiana larue is gonna be in

that mix i'm sure and uh so he they listen to some music and finally wireline wayne says to his new buddy let me show you my gun collection oh no i got a gun collection now okay now it's out this is i mean i was already out but now i'm like super now you really don't want to go to this guy's house. Yeah, it's bad enough he wanted to help me put my groceries away. First day? First day. First day I met you.

You're going to show me your guns? We've been to both of our houses. You've seen what I eat for dinner. We put it away in my pantry. You see how I live that I fucking, that I, yeah, I bought the 10 for a dollar ramen noodles and you saw it. That's fine. That's what I'm going to eat tonight.

This is the weirdest uh interaction ever yeah so and now he's uh he's over his house and he says why don't you go we're listening to music there's some picking in a pen uh yeah why do you have that in there it's an allman brothers song it is an allman brothers song yeah this is the weird part i thought of this i thought of that and i went not hickey enough allman brothers not southern enough for me for this particular thing like they're listening to like a song that fucking willie nelson covered and i think of willie i don't know if willie covered it willie may have written it this has got to be like banjo music like fucking like some cajun shit i don't even

know what's going or maybe not maybe it's it's the 70s maybe they had good rock i don't know let's see maybe they had the all-night rider seems like something that is creepy enough for a dude that picks up people to be listening to and it ends and then it's then it just there's a three second pause and then i got it i really like this song i put it on repeat you're like midnight rider on repeat from hiding i hope they never gonna let them catch him okay that's fine said this that song by the way has four lyrics it really is yeah it's never gonna close on and there's like two other lyrics that's it

it goes it's the least yeah meat on the bone song ever fucking made and they're like i think they'll dig that chorus they fucking better there's nothing else to it it's four chords and by the way and it's a fuck that's what i mean and it works because it sticks in your head they're like oh we need okay we need a jingle it was written as like a commercial before commercials fucking existed well they existed it was written for like a soap commercial and they were like this is too good for dawn fuck dawn fuck no this is way too good for palm olive we go no we're gonna put just we're gonna make this longer top 40 motherfucker yeah tell them about silver. You write a lyric about some of that. Yeah. It's a hit. Tell them about Silver Dollar.

You know how to do it. Just say some shit. It really is a dumb, not thought out song. Not at all. And it's fucking great. It's like improv. It's like a comic that got on stage with no material. Yes, and?

And got on one run of a joke and just kept it going the whole time and there was nothing to it really it was the same callback and then he's like later like i think that was the end the crowd walked up it's the greatest show i've ever seen you remember i don't remember any of them it was fucking amazing it was amazing it was the best so wireline wayne here he particularly shows his new for gentleman friend a cult python 357 pistol my christ so this is a it's a lot of weapon that's a fucking lot of weapon uh yes and it's a a four inch uh four inch bass uh barrel and he kept this one hidden under the batter's mattress of his bed this was his like home protector here that's homeland security i have i have owned a 357 and

it is a fucking hand cannon it's not fun to shoot well that was the thing i had i'm like if i ever have to use this i'm gonna deafen myself so do i want that as as the ramification here of deafening myself i mean i've mine my carry is just a little bit smaller and as equally fun to shoot. It's a 38. It's loud and it barks. That's the only reason to have it. Because if you don't hit them, they're going to take off. Because that shit's scary.

This was a.357. It had a six-inch barrel, too. It was ridiculous. It's a lot of weapons. It looked like, oh, my God. It was frightening looking. It looks like you're going to go rob a Quick Mart. It's just a terrifying medicine weapon when

i first moved to arizona and i was like 19 and i was like you know in new york you can't have guns or anything and i lived in a kind of a shitty area and people were crazy i'm getting a fucking gun fuck that's like this giant gun i'm like why do i need this i don't need this i fight well i'm good i just started carrying a box cutter like that. That's great. That works. That's so much more gangster. It's so close and personal. I wear that. I keep that on stage with me. Everybody want to bum rush me?

I got a box cutter. I keep a box cutter, motherfucker. Yeah. I keep that fucking blade that the ladies in. I love that. Oh, that's the one I bring out. From the Benchmade? Fuck yeah.

I carry that thing everywhere. It's better than a box cutter. Yeah. So good. Those were so nice, those knives. It's an amazing knife. Thanks again for those. Yeah.

So this gun that he showed him was loaded with hollow point bullets, too. So it means business, this particular setup that he has arranged. Certainly not lying. And the bullets had been modified by Wireline Wayne. What is he doing? By cutting an X across the bullet points, he said to give them more knockdown power. So that's his. So he's.

You don't need to modify a.357 bullet. So there's not a hollow point. They're going to break apart anyway. And he's cutting X's in them to make them break up more. To make them worse. And not only that, it's under his mattress. So the only time he's ever planning on using this is if someone's in his bedroom. And he's woken from a dead sleep.

So how much more power do you need to shoot somebody from five feet away with a fucking.357? It's going to work. Just the sound of it, even if it doesn't kill him, he'll go, how am I fucking here? And run out screaming. Jesus, I can't hear. He's leaving. Everyone's leaving. So he's showing this guy this shit and so who is this guy the hitchhiker who's he fucking talking to who is this guy

well he's david and his middle name his name's david martin his middle name is d-e-n-e maybe are they going for denny or are they going for fucking dean i feel like that's dean either way you did it wrong yeah that's That's not Dean or Denny. Yeah, it's not the right spelling for sure. No, we're not even close to this shit. So David Dean, we'll call him David. It's probably Dean Martin, too, because he was born in the 50s. There you go.

Oh, boy. I just didn't know how to spell Dean. Wow. And they're not even from here. No, that's hilarious. His family's not even from Houma. They're from Texas. Oh, boy.

He's from Texas. He grew up with an older brother. His father died when he was very young, David Martin. His father died at the age of 37. His father was 37 in 1963. David wasn't even nine years old yet. So that's a tough blow for that. His brother here, him and his brother grew up with his mother.

Apparently, David dropped out of, he went to public school and dropped out in the 10th grade. So, drops out in the 10th grade. He did get his GED and he actually went to college for a year or two. So, he had a troubled time. It's hard

if your parent dies in that age. I can't even imagine. That's a brutal time for... It's just a weird... Essentially, my dad died before I was born. Yeah, but then you... But at least I never fucking had anything then. Yeah, and your dad's not dead, by the way. We should tell everybody.

He's still alive now. And I met him when I was 28. Yeah, yeah. It's fucked up. It's not this fucked up. That's hard when you have somebody and then they're taken away from you. And then they're gone fucked up this that's hard when you have somebody and then they're taken away from you gone well let's tell your your whole that okay the world is your parents

are the main thing they're the mountains and then you have this and then it just it's gone that's got to shake your whole fuck yeah you're you know belief especially at nine when you're a boy and in that era you were supposed to be like your dad in texas too which is very like you know you wanted to be a man and all that and very manly texas time but in the 50s and 60s especially so uh yeah he got a gd though he went to college for a year uh his brother describes him as always being a generous and unselfish person never had any trouble with the law just a nice guy who's had a rough time in life and has tried to make the best of it sounds like it yeah uh now david had moved uh david martin moved to the homa area in 1974 from louisiana or from texas and he

was uh he was having a lot of problems he was uh just a troubled kid yeah he's about 20 years old 19 years old you know just came up kind of tough had a little spotty one year of college and then took off from texas and just didn't have a way didn't have a way uh so what he did is he uh he involved himself as a counselor in the way out help clinic which was a clinic that sought uh through counseling to help runaway youths and young people with drug problems so he decided to become a counselor there wow and to try to help other kids with his with his upbringing basically that have had you know similar backgrounds or harder backgrounds if nothing else he's very inspirational that's great right i mean that's

take to take your shitty background instead of going out robbing liquor stores or doing something shitty with it and to take it and go fuck man i maybe i can help people who had another uh just as bad a time and in turn maybe that'll help me, too. There you go. That's, you know, that's a healthy, a healthy outlet is what he's doing here. So he's a seventh day Adventist. He comes here. Now, that's that's a thing.

That's weird enough. Yes. Now, we're not going to get into the whole thing, because every religion, if we try to touch on it and give you two, they believe this and this. And then there's like, well, they also believe 85 other things. And they also,

there's this and that, and we're not going to get into it. It's a, it's another religion. You look it up. If you want here, it's strange. It's a little strange.

It has nothing to do with the case either. So what religion isn't, that's what I mean. Take them all. If you're an alien, you come down and anyone explains any of them to you, which one is more ridiculous than any other ones besides Mormonism, honestly, because that's ridiculous no matter what planet you're from, because they actually say you'll get a fucking planet.

So it's silly. Sorry, Mormons. I only say that. And I mess with the Mormons so much because they have the best sense of fucking humor about it. Usually. Yeah. Because they listen to our show.

A Mormon who listens to our show is a cool fucking Mormon. They're not like, oh, how dare you? They're pretty loose. And they're like, yeah, yeah that is ridiculous how funny is it that you could rattle off all these religions seven day adventist uh scientologist mormon all these then be like which one gets the planet you would never get you'd never guess mormon ever you'd be like for sure it's scientology absolutely they're they'd say that they're fucking yeah unbelievable so yeah he does this the seventh day adventist the one thing i will tell you about it is they're they're they say that they're fucking yeah unbelievable so yeah he does this the seventh day adventist the one thing i will tell you about it is they're they're known for presenting they're

big into health and health and food and diet about a third of them uh currently are are vegetarians or vegans uh very big into into health which is a big deal. They do kosher foods, abstinence from pork, shellfish, and other unclean animals. So basically they do like kosher. What's a good-looking white people in L.A.? Well, yeah, except they'll eat shellfish and they're going to eat sushi. If it's market price. Well, we'll see. It's got to be more expensive.

The church discourages people from consuming alcohol, tobacco, or illegal drugs, which is what all churches do. And some Adventists also, even like old school Mormons, they avoid coffee and tea and soda because they don't like caffeine either, which is really over the top. And robbing of a childhood. Yeah, it's really not okay. So they ended up, they had a lot to do with the reason. They're the reason why everybody has breakfast cereal. Who's that?

The Adventists. Really? They're the reason why I have 40 boxes of cereal upstairs because I'm crazy for it. Tell me more about that. They are. They introduced it, basically. Their modern commercial concept of cereal food originated with them. No kidding.

John Harvey Kellogg of Kellogg's was one of the early founders of the adventist health work and he developed breakfast cereals as a health food which led to the founding of kellogg's by his brother because they came out with cornflakes which was actually healthy and some of them were healthy and then they said we got to do something with all this sugar right but take these cornflakes coat them in sugar and tell a cartoon tiger tell kids eat that shit perfect tell them they're great just great no tell them they're great yeah and you know they'll eat you need extra r's a bunch of them yeah we'll do that he's a fucking tiger and he gurs the voice of tony the tiger was a wrestling announcer get the

fuck out of me marshall from the 90s wcw yeah that voice like that he was the voice that's amazing he's dead now ah poor bad tony's dead yeah tony died now they got a bullshit guy doing it yeah he's a fucking imposter yeah fucking imposter uh so yeah they they promote also uh wheat bix which are some what i don't know health and vegetarian related product is that cereal uh yeah i don't know it's and vegetarian related product. Is that a cereal? I don't know. It's a box. I saw the box of it. I don't know if it's like a cereal or like a wheat thin. Gross.

Like a snack. Sounds terrible. Wheat Bix. I don't want that. No. No. And wheat is W-E-E-T. Oh, no.

It sounds even worse. So David Martin, his first, he got married and it ends in divorce. This is before he moved to Houma. I understand. So he gets it. It happens. I get it. But this happened when he was like 18.

He was a quick-married, divorced, and also had a child from this marriage. I think he was about 17 when this happened. That is tough. Yes, he has a child. It's an eight-year-old child here, and I guess the child lives with the mother, and he doesn't seem

to have any contact with him at all it was just kind of a this is your kid and that's that uh so uh things weren't going well in texas and at the suggestion of suggestion of his sister and a bunch of his friends he came to homa in 1974 where'd they pick that out of their ass from texas you should really go no no south of lou, south of Louisiana in the bayou. There's a, it's great. You say it was five hours from Houston?

Do you speak French? How long does a tank of gas last? Jesus Christ. Yeah, maybe that's it. Pretty close to five hours? Well, you could probably get to Houma.

Not quite to New Orleans. I don't think so. You ain't going to get all the way to New Orleans. You're going to have to hitchhike the rest of the way, but watch out for people that'll show you X's on bullets

because they could be kind of weird. Yeah. So he comes to 74, comes to Houma in 74 to work in a local drug rehabilitation clinic, which is what we talked about. That was there. There he meets a woman. He meets a young woman named Gloria Petrie. He meets her, who is an outpatient at the clinic.

So she is he is counseling her drug habit she's apparently a young uh drug addict who she's trying to uh counsel here and at this time too he's also doing like street preaching like he's just kind of going out and like trying to if he sees troubled people he tries to fucking preach him bring him into the flock and all this shit but tell me so he's dating this woman he while he meets her and uh they end up dating for a while and they end up getting married the next year you're not supposed to do that you're absolutely not supposed to do that i understand he's not a medical professional i don't think he's taken any kind of oath or any kind of there's no there's no standard for just you know outpatient church run uh fucking uh drug rehab thing like i don't think there's a big but the thing about uh

any drug rehab is it no matter you're a patient or or you're a fucking you're a person of authority there that's that's the thing your dick out of the others in the building somebody is a patient in that scenario which means that they're looking for help and if you're helping somebody you can't be trying to fuck them at the same time because that. Because that's not. The conflict in their head is. That's unhelpful. Yeah. Detrimental. Detrimental.

And they might like you because you're helping them. And people sometimes conflate that with, I like this person. And you're supposed to be the professional that goes, no, no, no. No, no. Because that happens all the time. People try to fuck their shrinks. Of course. And their shrinks have ultimate mind control over them.

They can fuck all these people if they want to. Right. That's why they have to not. That's a rule. You lose your fucking license for that shit. Right. That's the point of it. Exactly.

So, but he, I don't think there's any licensing involved in 1975 in Houma, Louisiana. Probably not. Yelling religious slogans at people's faces and shoving cornflakes into their face. I don't think that's a, you know, not a real official capacity. So, I don't know. It doesn't sound like a resume. It really doesn't, no. So, they get married in early 1976.

They get married, so he and Gloria, so they meet in 75, get married in 76. So, it's a pretty quick romance and quick marriage. And then we find out very quickly that gloria is pregnant of course she is so yeah she gets end up ends up getting pregnant pretty quickly right after the marriage and in december 1976 she uh she gives birth to a baby girl uh now here's what happened now he uh and his wife gloria david and gloria wanted to have a natural childbirth apparently it was part of the religious thing as they didn't want to have all the drugs

in the hospital and all that. And this, by the way, we nowadays, for a while, that would be like, oh, these fucking weirdos. And now this is a huge popular thing again. Have you seen it? It's fucking horrifying. They have hospitals for a reason.

And you know what? People had to give birth for fucking hundreds and thousands of years at home. And they were like, fuck, if there was only a place I could go where everything was sterile and people knew medical shit and could help me and make sure that me and my baby don't die. And then we did that. And then they're like, you know what?

I'd really like to just shit my baby out into a tub at home. I'll get no, I'll get this hippie to come over and help me out. Put the incense on and I'll put my kid in a tub. What are you fucking kidding me? Go to a hospital. Jesus Christ. The crazier part is let's say that you have some complications and you're at home and you don't fucking know it.

You don't know it because you know why you don't know it? Because you can't see it. Because you're not a fucking doctor. You're not a doctor. That's why you don't know. And your midwife? Shh, that's not a doctor either. Also, yeah.

Also, not a doctor or whatever. And then as a dude, selfishly i don't want to watch that shit happen without drugs and stuff and i'd love for me in a hospital where a doctor would be i want to be on drugs you need to stay outside be like thank you i really love to do that actually i don't want to see this this is fucking horrifying yeah this is this we've had some preachy shit today but that's have your kids in a fucking and i get people like well the medical i get it you know what your baby's way less likely to die just put it that look at the statistics of home baby debts and hospital debts they're fucking way different we'll put it that way so and i'll bet there's more because

some probably don't report that shit yeah they probably just put it in the dumpster yeah so it's different well you bury that one with the rest yeah oh boy those are the symptoms crime and sports reference. Lord. So they have a baby girl. They want to have a natural childbirth. And I say all this. I guess I should have read the story. I should have told the story a little more first before I went on my rant, because this is why he arranges to he wants to deliver the baby.

David Warren, because he's a medical professional, obviously, with the assistance of two, quote, ladies in the church who had assisted in the past in delivering babies. So I'm sure they've read all of the latest medical literature and they're completely up to standards, just like a doctor. Shut up, James. They've done it twice. They've done it many times in the past, and they know that if you rub a stone on the thing and no horseshit. Wow. So shockingly, complications arose during childbirth okay and there was no medical help there so this resulted in brain damage for the baby girl

because they didn't know that there was medical problems here uh so him and his wife were absolutely devastated over this as anybody would got to feel like it's their fault. Well, yeah. Because, you know, it fucking is. Yeah. They don't feel like that, though, at first. But then it starts to get a little more guilty. Because at first they felt like they were doing that's what they wanted. That's what they're supposed to do.

You know? So he said that after a little bit while, he started personally just blaming himself for the whole thing. He said, I must have done it when I was trying to get her out. I had to have done it. It was me, you know, because I'm not a doctor and all. So I put this in there. I could get it out. I get it right out of there.

I finish my business. I finish what I start. If I put it in, I'm a pull it the fuck out of you. Don't think I won't. If I put it in you, I'm going to pull it the fuck out of you. Don't think I won't. So some evidence suggests here that there was some difficulty which caused the child to not be able to breathe for a long period of time and cause brain damage, which was not uncommon during childbirth. And if you're in a hospital, they can take care of that lickety split and your kid won't have brain damage. Sometimes not.

But most of the time they're, they're aware of it and they know when the child's not breathing because they have monitors and shit and they know, whereas you don't because you work at a fucking drug rehab and you dropped out of school in the 10th grade and you're, and she doesn't know because she doesn't know what the fuck's happening at this moment. Her body's a mess.

You 10th grade dropout, took a GED, which I took, trust me, you don't have to be any fucking genius to pass that. One year of college, if we don't know, or dude who did everything by the book his entire life or lady or whatever, went to medical school for fucking years and then did a residency and then more shit and more shit. And then there's a fucking bunch of people watching him and has medical insurance and you can fucking sue if they fuck up. Maybe do that, stupid.

Wow. That's fucking. He's got certificates and addresses where you can fucking sue if they fuck up. Maybe do that, stupid. Wow, that's fucking... He's got certificates and addresses where you can send the bill. Holy, yeah. That's, yeah. He'll send you things. He's got a person that works for him that sends her.

I don't fucking know anymore. I'm just so fucking angry. So this was... This was... He was so distraught by this, he left the church shortly after his daughter was born. One, people said he was embarrassed and he felt responsible.

And two, he felt kind of like he did what he was supposed to do and then this happened. So how was that? Thanks, God. How am I supposed to buy into this shit still? Thanks for getting my back, God. Got it. So yeah, he abandoned the religion uh and then it gets even worse uh when his daughter dies so she dies after only being

alive a couple months the child ends up passing away from her brain damage from her medical problems so this is absolute obviously catastrophe and uh never oh never a good thing no one's ever excited about this or it's horrible it's hard to get over it's hard yeah that's what i mean i can't as a couple i don't know how couples get over that shit i don't know how you just be like okay well every time i look at you i think of that so let's just let's pretend none of this ever happened so uh yeah uh his friend said quote he said he'd given several years to the lord and didn't have anything and didn't see why he let Jessica die. That's what he said.

He said, God has let me down. I know I may burn in hell for what I'm doing, but when I stand before the Lord, I'm going to ask him some serious questions. He was mad at God. He literally said, fuck God. God, fuck me over. I'm leaving the church. You know what? If that gets me burning in hell, I don't even care.

We'll sort it out when I die. I'll ask God why the fuck he's killing babies then if he can fucking he's gonna come to me and say why are you being a dick i'll throw right back in his fucking literally what he said i got some shit for god so he's gonna come to me asking me why i'm a dick i'll i'll fucking i'll ask him exactly what he said how dare you you fucking epic you you son of a bitch omnipotent motherfucker you want to step outside oh you you're always outside of a bitch omnipotent motherfucker you want to step outside oh you you're always outside because you're omnipotent okay never mind so i'm gonna make sure i always i'm outside now i'm always have two pairs of boxing gloves with me so when i die i

will just throw him a pair here you go chief put him on sir call him chief let's talk i'm gonna ask him some serious questions i don't know know. He's going to grill the deity. I feel like he's not going to be responsive to that. No. Yeah. He's the one that gets to tell you what to do. Yeah, literally people in charge don't like to be questioned like that. And if you're really extra in charge, you're really not going to. I had a boss who said the word supposedly.

And I had to take orders from this person. No. You need to drop her orders from this person. No. You need to drop her like an anonymous note. That's what it needs to be. Just like a note. Put it on her windshield. Yeah. You want us to take you serious?

You better stop saying this shit. Yeah. I cannot stand that shit. That's one of those reasons. Chill runs up your spine. Good Lord, are you eight. Yeah. Oh, you're an idiot.

Okay. What'd you have for dinner last night? Paschetti? All right. Fuck out of here. We're not in charge anymore. You watching that down with some milk, you fucking moron? you ate yeah oh you're an idiot okay what'd you have for dinner last night paschetti all right fuck out of here we're not in charge anymore down with some milk yeah fucking moron you're not in charge anymore dickhead fucking move his eyes sorry idiot why don't you go lay your head on a pillow you fucking dope jesus no hold on i'll get your fucking i'll get your binky quick there you go all right now you're better oh fuck that was fun jesus christ i've wanted to say shit like that to that person for

so many years i'm so glad that we just did that to that person it's a real person yeah so a friend of his said quote he changed tremendously in just a few months it seemed like everything had just fallen in on david so obviously if one day you're getting married and you got a young wife and you guys are happy and you she's pregnant you're gonna have a child and then all of a sudden the child has brain damage that you think you caused and you think that fucking god has been smiting you and you know you're angry and then your baby dies and then it's holy shit wow i mean yeah then you leave the church which is all you thought you believed in i got zero uh blame for the man it's tough man it's

really really tough and uh and and they all liked him at the church too there's a guy named uh donald culpepper who's the head elder at the seventh day adventist church in homa or was back then and he said that david was great he counseled counseled young runaway youths, counseled people with drug problems. He said Martin always impressed him as a diligent, faithful worker. He said that Martin even participated in the building of a new church. At one point, he had broken his leg, Martin, and they said he continued working on the church even though he had a full cast on his leg. My Christ. He's limping around carrying shit.

You know how that is when you have a cast that's he was working still wow that's how hard of a worker he is and he was uh you know really good they talked about that he did have trouble with drugs after the breakup of his first marriage when he was younger uh before he came to louisiana which is kind of why he came there to make a fresh start yeah and then uh uh you know he was improved when he when he was in the church and doing all that. But then after his daughter died, they said it was just downhill in a hurry, just gone. Yeah, his brother-in-law said, quote, I believe he felt some guilt about her death. He said, quote, God let me down.

So that's all it was. death he said quote god let me down so that's that's all it was um another person here uh another one of his uh a reverend from texas said this seemed to be what switched david david's life off the road uh off the road of right just uh it was the death of a kid which that happens to so many people you ever watch hoarders yeah not half the episodes of hoarders when they talk to when they bring a psychologist in and they talk to it their fucking kid died and the next thing you know there's 18 dead cats in the house and there's fucking boxes to the ceiling tragedy uh that's a tragedy yeah it's a that's a trigger for so many people to go off the deep end into different shit here so uh he was even described as a uh the uh he knew a woman who was a cashier and a branch manager at the home of bank

and uh she knew martin for about three years and said he was such a nice guy um you know she said that they talked about that they were uh they were uh him and his wife were were uh they were gonna make they were gonna be house parents for a home for girls and you know for like wayward kids and shit like that and she said quote they were always trying to help everyone less fortunate than they were uh which they didn't even have a lot yeah that's the thing they weren't wealthy or they were walking home in the rain with barely fortunate yeah they were they had a house that was their fortune and they weren't drug addicts uh this woman said that she had loaned david money on several occasions and he always promptly repaid her exactly when he said he was going to.

And she considered him to be a generous, honest, peaceful person that was a great person to know, basically. He had worked, David had worked as a carpenter, a packing inspector, obviously the drug abuse counselor. He worked in the church. He was the house parent at a drug abuse counselor. He worked in the church. He was the house parent at a drug abuse clinic. He was even a door-to-door salesman

at one point, hustling, just trying to make ends meet with a young family and trying to do things. A tacker in a shipyard. So this guy will do anything that pays the most.

That's basically it. He's one of these people that looks through the want ads every day and he goes, I make eight bucks an hour. That man says, at least 10 bucks an hour i'll go do that i don't care what the fuck it is we need money basically he's basically what everybody should fucking be doing every day i think most people are anyway i hope so did when they were you know younger or whatever now you gotta search fucking apps and shit like that yeah now it's a different

story if you want ads yeah you're not that what I mean. That's why it's 77. He couldn't get his phone out and go, let's get on the Zip Recruiter app. It didn't work out like that. Definitely have to check the paper. Dig a little deeper. You're going to have to check the local paper, or even not the local one, the New Orleans one. Right. Because I'm sure it was just like witchcraft and voodoo and gumbo recipes.

Gumbo recipes and voodoo doll building that's it that's all it was anything else in this paper and gator heads jesus oh well the ads for the taxidermist that's the pull back half of the paper mount your gator head today jesus christ and a fan boat fucking repairman not a fan boat rip the f section is thick on this phone book oh it's all fan boat repair. The F section is thick on this phone book. Oh, it's all fan boat repairman. Okay, I get it now. That's just the most popular job down there. So he'll do anything to try to hustle and make money for his young family and for his wife and all this sort of thing. So once he loses it a little bit and he leaves the church and he leaves the drug abuse clinic and he leaves everything he starts getting back into drugs again now because it's just he's got no reason not to that's how he feels he's like well fuck god fuck me over so i guess whatever who cares so at this

point he's not doing well financially also and at this point it gets worse when his car gets stolen that had two of his paychecks inside so he they're gone so now he loses two paychecks in his car gets stolen, that had two of his paychecks inside. So they're gone. So now he loses two paychecks and his car. Somebody get an APB out for that tab. Yeah, it's definitely tab. He's trying to buy more land. You know how it is. He's like, I'm going to get it.

Take it from me. I'm going to take it right back from you. The Lord taketh and tab. Taketh again. Taketh back. Jesus Christ. So, yeah. So two paychecks from two different jobs were in the car and they were all stolen so now he's completely fucked yeah basically here um he has nothing he's ever done wrong in his life besides he had a ten dollar fine in 1969 for failure to have his driver's license on him

and in texas that's the only criminal record he has whatsoever here. So anyway, so that same night that we talked about with the hitchhiking is his wife's first night of work. His wife has gotten a job now. This is after the baby and all that sort of thing. So his wife had gotten this job, This is after the baby and all that sort of thing. So his wife had gotten this job, and it's at the Black Gold Restaurant and Lounge, which is like a country western bar, basically.

So she goes to work there. It's owned by a guy named Bobby Todd. Hell yeah. Bobby Todd got two first names. Yeah, he does. Bobby Todd, we'll talk about in a minute. He's living quite the lifestyle, Bobby Todd. He's crushing it. The pimp of homa over here he is just it's really he's like the dennis hoff of homa it's ridiculous uh so his wife goes to work on august 11th to work for bobby todd over at the

black gold restaurant lounge black gold meaning oil by the way it's the oil restaurant that's what i want that's what i want to think of about my food fucking that has oil on it perfect in it around it fucking any oh good any proximity of my dinner i would like zero oil yeah you wiped that oil off the shrimp before you give it to me please so uh the second night of her employment she goes back the next night to work uh that night she has sex with bobby todd oh boy his david's wife gloria so she's her second night at work and she she's fucking the boss so that's not good no for anybody on a professional front or on a you know personal front it's never good uh so the problem is she uh then goes home and tells david about it. So she tells him that this happened.

He's obviously a little bit upset. He's pissed off. He tells her that, well, you're quitting. And she says, nope, not quitting. I got a shift tomorrow and I'm going to it. I got a shift and a shaft at three. So I'm going to get to both of those. The shafts at two and the shifts at three, I think, is how it works.

Christ. Yeah. So she goes, I think, is how it works. Christ. Yeah. So she goes, she says no. She's not doing that at all. She's not going to do that. So this is Friday night, August 12th. She says, nope, not going to fucking, not going to quit, whatever. So he's pissed off.

David is pissed off. He leaves the house and he ends up going to Wireline Wayne's house, who he had met the day before. Sure. Goes over to Wireline Wayne's house and breaks into his house. Yeah. And he's only there for one thing, and that is the Cult Python 357 under the mattress is what he goes for. So he goes right in there, and he takes that from under the mattress. he goes for so he goes right in there and he takes that from under the mattress uh now the next day august 13th is a saturday he visits a friend of his david does a guy named raymond rushing who's

his next door neighbor and he shows raymond rushing the gun you know see this gun why this guy's not very smart by the way i just stole this oh cool uh so he tells he and he also says i'm gonna take this gun i'm gonna going to shoot that Bobby Todd. He goes, I'm going to fucking kill that guy. So rushing also says that, you know, he went into this big. David went into this big rant about he was jealous. His wife's working over here and fucking this guy. And now she won't quit.

And, you know, his goddamn kids dead and somebody stole his paychecks in his car. And he's just he's had it. He's fucking had it basically with the whole world. and he's just he's had it he's fucking had it basically with the whole world so on sunday morning august 14th he go david goes to see a man named chester golden who was a friend of his another friend he was trying to talk some shit out uh he tells chester that uh his wife was working at the black gold restaurant at the country bar there and she wouldn't quit he's pissed he's like she this is what happened i told her to quit it seems reasonable i don't know why she told me if she wasn't going to quit afterwards like what

just tell him to be honest just wanted to tell you i'm gonna keep fucking this guy for a while like i don't what's the point there so uh uh so she's he said he didn't know what to do and all he said to chester is he said i guess we're gonna split up he goes i guess we'll split up and he goes if we split up you I'm going to leave. I'm going to go to Texas, I guess. I'll go back to Texas where my family is. Why stay here with her and the memories of a baby and all this shit? I'll just go back to Texas and be with my family.

Everything I look at is just going to remind me of this shit. Everything's gone here. Even my car is gone. Everything's gone. Time to pack it up and fresh start time. All I've got is this stolen 357. That's not a lot to have. So, yeah.

So he goes to see him. He said he's going to end up in Texas. He also just tells Chester, he says, I have a bone to pick with Bobby Todd. And if he ran into Bobby Todd, there would be trouble. So he's not like, I'm going to go hunt down Bobby Todd. He just says, if I run into that son of a bitch. We cross paths. He's in trouble. But he doesn't say, I'm going to take this gun and Todd. He just says, if I run into that son of a bitch. We cross paths. He's in trouble.

But he doesn't say, I'm going to take this gun and shoot Bobby Todd. Now he's calmed down the next day. He's like, I've got a bone to pick with him. There's going to be trouble if I see him. Okay. Taking it down a notch, which happens when you sleep. Lowering the crazy. You sleep on something.

Weird, right? That's why you sleep on it. You calm down. Because the next day you go, hmm. Boy, was I talking crazy. Did I say I was going to fucking kill a guy? A little rash, I think. I stole this gun.

I have a gun. It's not mine. And it is not mine. Am I out of my fucking mind or what? Oh, well. All right. Just keeps going. I guess not.

So, yeah, there's going to be trouble. He also tells Chester Golden that he had been up the last two nights not sleeping waiting outside the Black Gold so he could get Bobby Todd. So he's been stalking Bobby Todd. Now I guess he's calmed down a little bit. He said he'd been unable to find him that way. However,

he said he saw him but he could never get close to him. He said, I have a bone to pick. I want to talk with him. He said, but I could never get him alone. He said i have a bone to pick i want to talk with him he said but i could never get him alone he said because there's always people around him there because he's the owner of the place there's always a bunch of people and if he walks up to a guy in his own bar and starts a fight with him eight bouncers are going to throw him out on his face it's a fucking country bar yeah it's gonna be a couple of big fat rednecks are going to toss you outside and a cowboy boot hurts getting kicked by it i i think this is more this is less cowboy boot

and more uh work boot slash no shoe got it work boot slash no boot yeah it's just painted feet to look like a shoe i think there's a lot of what we're getting here timberland drawn on the heels yeah it's it's very certain come on now. Jesus, I'm supposed to be the artist here. Just write cat on the back of my ankle. You know how to spell that. Don't be asking me, you stupid bastard. Look it up. So, yeah, he said there's always people around him and he wanted to get him alone.

Because, you know, if that's not a conversation, you want to shout in front of everybody. He said that it might be impossible to ever get him alone because a guy named Terry Herbert, or Hebertbert a bear is probably how you spell like bobby a bear yeah and because he's from down there too so terry uh a bear is always around uh always around bobby todd so he's like terry a bear by the way is known as his bodyguard oh so he's big he's a big guy and probably is you know head bouncer or something or whatever probably a tough son bitch yeah i would. That's the guy who's always with him night and day, and it's his bodyguard. He killed a gator with his bare hands. Yeah, absolutely.

So they're like, he's the guy who would throw you out on your face. So at this point, David shows Chester Golden his.357, and he says that he stole it from a convicted felon. He doesn't know if that guy's a convicted felon, but he said, I stole it from a convicted felon. And he said, I don't think he's going to report the gun stolen because he's a felon. He shouldn't have the gun.

He's not supposed to have it in the first place. So I think I'm good here. I think you can steal from a felon. That's like stealing drugs from a drug. He's like Omar on the wire. That's what he is here. He's like, you know, who are you going to call? Oh, I'm out.

I'm about to huff and puff so i i did some research on deadwood and you did not tell me that timothy oliphant's in it now i can't wait to watch it fucking main character he didn't tell me i gave you a set of dvds with his picture on it and his fucking name on the top of it love that guy he's fucking great the first scene is him be doing the the first scene of deadwood yeah the series is the best first scene of any fucking show i've ever seen if you can watch that and not go i have to see this show you are i don't ever want to talk to you because it's amazing it's fucking amazing in every way shape and form i did the i did the step one and i went Deadwood IMDB.

Timothy Oliphant, James is holding out on me. First episode, give it six minutes, Jimmy. Give me six. I do all this stuff. I'm asking you six minutes. If you're not hooked in six minutes, throw it in the garbage. You don't even have to give it back to me. You don't even want them back?

Throw it in the garbage. Well, you probably shouldn't want them back. They've probably got two years of dust on probably yeah definitely so jesus it's at this point where david asked chester hey do you know if there's a store open where i could get some ammo for this gun i got here because i really got to go target shooting yeah i'm in the mood to target shoot which maybe that'll blow some steam off. You ain't going to hit shit. No.

357, that's a motherfucker. Doesn't matter. Just fire it off. It's loud enough. It'll feel good. Yeah. I don't know if it's just to make you feel good if it's like going to the gym

and hitting the heavy bag or something like that, but he said he wants to go target shooting. So I guess there was no stores open anywhere. So they looked at the phone book. They were trying to find stores that might have bullets to sell him. So finally, Chester Golden says, tell you what, I got my friend over here. He's got extra bullets. You can just buy them from him.

So a guy named Tommy Leday, he gets a box of ammo from him. Apparently, this dude keeps a bunch in his shed or something. I don't know. You would hate my closet so much. he ammo i have so much well i don't care if you have ammo but he's yeah i guess this guy's you could have sold it to this guy yeah he uh he at this point uh chester golden said that david looked at this point quote pretty drugged out since uh right now and it looked like he lost a little bit of weight he just looked kind of gone sit up at night yeah he's been up for two nights not eating and doing drugs so that'll do that here and so uh he said you look you don't

look great you look like you lost weight and martin said that he i've been up for two nights and i haven't eaten in two days and i've been on drugs he didn't say that but he's like you can infer and you know yeah so this is a weird thing here now five o'clock p.m that day afternoon here 5 p.m david martin brings his wife gloria to bobby todd's trailer okay why he's bringing her there i don't know i guess lock him in front of me i want to see it yeah i going to jerk off angrily while you do it. So this his trailer, by the way, is right behind the the of course. Yeah. He's of course. Why the fuck wouldn't it be? Yeah.

So a woman answers the door and tells Gloria that Todd is asleep. Bobby Todd's asleep. You can't come in. So Martin, David and his wife left and had dinner. They went and had some dinner. They split a pitcher of beer. Yeah. They smoked some weed.

Okay. They had some weed. I know they smoked. They don't know how much weed. What's a joint between a couple? Okay. You know, around 7 p.m., David drops his wife off at home and tells her that he was going to return the car they've been driving to its owner. Because his car got stolen.

So he says, I'm going to go return this to my friend, and I'll be back in a little while. So instead of doing that, he goes to the Black Gold. Because he's got a bone to pick. So he goes to the Black Gold and parks his car down the street. Never a good sign when a guy... You have a plan if you park down the street. Generally. You pull right up in front. You don't care who sees you. You're not planning if you park down the street generally you pull right up in

front you don't care who sees you you're not planning on anything going down this is a business establishment i got a feeling they got a fucking parking lot oh yeah it's a places for it to be big old fucking parking lot that he does not use he goes instead down the street and he walked up the street like a hitchhiker like with his thumb out like he was hitchhiking okay that was his plan he looked like just some random hitchhiker walking down the street that's dumb dumb plan yeah so he ends up well no one looks twice at a hitchhiker that's why it's one of those things it's like when they shot paul castellano they all had shriners outfits on because they go i don't know shriner shot him what do you look like you look like a fucking shriner i don't know look at

those but i mean yeah that's what they did it worked too everyone said shriners i have no idea what they look like the bunch of guys hitchhikers though I don't know. That's what they did at work, too. Everyone said Shriners. I have no idea what they look like. Here's the thing about hitchhikers, though. You don't need to take a second look because you get a real good first look and then you get the fuck out of there. Yeah. Yeah, it's true. If you walk with your head down and your thumb out.

So I guess he didn't want the car parked there. So he ends up walking up to Bobby Todd's trailer and he knocks on the door and asks if he could speak to Bobby. By the way, the door is answered by a naked 19-year-old woman. Oh, boy. Yes. This is interesting. Bobby Todd is getting it. Okay.

Inside the house are Bobby Todd, Terry Hebert, who's 27. Bobby Todd's 33. Hebert's his bodyguard. And two women, Ann Tierney, who's who's 19 and sandra break who's also 19 and the girls are completely nude my god so this is the boogie nights house yeah this is like the boogie nights trailer boogie nights homa style this is right here this let's make fuck yeah however you say that in cajun i don't know say that in Cajun. I don't know. Say that in a fucking French accent. I don't know. So really, really weird at this point here, this whole thing.

Before this, a woman had talked to Bobby. He had just woken up, I guess. That's why he was asleep earlier. I guess he had just woken up and told the woman he talked to he had been asleep for 13 hours. He'd just woken up from a 13-hour sleep. That's like three nights of sleep for me that makes me i haven't had 13 hours of sleep this whole week i'm literally that is genuinely amazing three nights combined for me that sounds so good and i can't imagine i don't i don't know how he

didn't wake up i would sleep wow i would feel so good i wouldn't even know what to do with myself after six or seven i might wake up and be like oh my god what day is it no i feel great really when we were in philly last doing a live show i slept for 12 hours in the hotel room i was just exhausted i've been up for days like working and prepping shit and uh i slept for 12 hours and i woke up and i've never felt better i was i remembered like all my elementary school teachers names and shit like that like i was so fucking sharp and And I'm like, dude, if I could fucking sleep all the time, my brain would be amazing. I might not be an idiot if I could sleep. Maybe I'm not dumb.

I'm just tired. That's a distinct possibility. Well, I mean, there is science proving that you're not with it when you don't sleep. Yeah, we're not with it. Oh, boy. Oh, boy. That is an understatement so todd ends up walking into the room because he heard a knock and he comes into the room and he walks towards david

martin as he walks some guy in his living room as he walks toward don't mind the naked teenager basically can we help you sir we're in here making fuck yeah we're we're making fuck and it's august this girl was probably in science class two months ago and now she's naked in a scumbag country bar, Western bar owner's trailer. Good Lord. With this dirtbag. Oh, wow. Both of these girls.

Both of them. Unbelievable. That's what I mean. So this guy's got quite the lifestyle. He's banging married women. He's got nude 19-year-olds. He's running a bar. He's got a bodyguard.

Oh, and he lives in a trailer. I know. He's the king of wrong with me he's fucking scarface of homa over here for homa this guy is like he's living high in the hog he's got his whole life figured out he gets to sleep for 13 hours i'm jealous of this guy he sleeps all day then he fucks all night and then he goes to his bar and collects money i have no interest in 19 year old girls at all because i'd be like i don't know what you're talking about shut up

sorry we have a lot of 19 year old girl listeners and you say i don't know what time we're gonna fight yeah i don't know i don't i don't have the energy to try to figure it out either so have a good one but yeah and so he uh as uh walks towards David, David pulls the 357 out from under his shirt. Oh, my God. So it's at this point that Bobby Todd thinks he's being robbed. He pulls two big rolls of money out of his pocket. Because it's 70s. It's cash business.

He's got all the bar rolls. There it is. He pulls that out, and he starts trying to give him money. Like, hey, there you go. You got that, dude. Whatever. He just thinks he's being robbed. You win.

It happens if you own a bar. Right. You know? So David says, oh, no, no, no, no. I don't want your money at all. I'm not here to fucking take your money. I just want you to know. So I want you to know my name is what he said.

That was his exact words is I don't want your money. I just want you to know my name. And then he shot him twice in the chest with a 357. You forgot say your name at about three feet no he told him it was and then he shot him uh twice in the chest about three feet away with a 357 hollow with hollow points in it so as you can imagine crosses on them james bit fucking messy in there uh at that point now imagine this it's nighttime in a trailer tin trailer and.357 shots go off, sending viscera all over the fucking place. Probably blew that trailer apart.

Imagine if you're one of the other three people in the trailer. Chaos. It's got to be chaos and fucking panic. So it's at that point that he turns, and he starts picking the other people off. No. First, Terry Hebert, because i believe he's probably the biggest threat and he probably came out and i'm sure he came at him to try not to get shot so he shoots terry a bear and then and tyranny and then how do you shoot naked teenage you can't shoot naked

19 year old girls i'm sorry but he did just tell him their fucking name you know he's his name i guess at that point he had to uh so yeah damn it david we'll talk about exactly what happened here uh but yeah he shot terry a bear next and then then the next and the two women uh the autopsies will show that terry a bear had been shot five times in the back and side that man reloaded oh we'll talk about that holy shit more than once no more than once uh he shot him five times in the back and side two of the shots uh went into his heart so he got there sandra blake or sandra break was shot twice in the heart and had defensive wounds in her wrist and arm that's the thing too with these uh rural guys are good shots too and and tyranny was shot six times wow with a 357 that's a whole thing that's the whole yeah

it's the cylinder it's called this is probably uh yeah well i just i was just reading hunter thompson complaining about a scope that he bought to smith and wesson company in the 50s and he was calling it a cylinder so once in the chest she was shot four times in the abdomen once in the face why and we'll find out why here in a minute i'll show you this here uh talk about this so show me well i'm gonna i'm gonna show you don't show me we'll talk about it how's that so around 8 p.m that night david returns to chester golden's home and he was excited he is excited and he asked chester to take a ride with him so come take a ride with me man man. Come on. He was like, sure.

David seems like he's in a better mood. Cool. During the ride, he told Golden he just killed four people behind the restaurant. Oh, my God. Super excited. Come on, dude, let's take a ride.

All right. Things are looking up for David. You're not going to believe this. Dude, I just shot all these fucking people. Coolest thing ever. Naked teenage girls, fucking people that had nothing to do with it, three people that

didn't fuck my wife yeah that is a great goddamn point that's the main point yeah none of those people fucked your wife especially the 19 year old girls and clearly uh mr todd doesn't give a shit either because he's banging two other chicks right now right now another chick was he's got all sorts of women crawling all over him yeah it's crazy so yeah he didn't care about this guy's wife but she cared about whatever so around so yeah that ends up happening during the ride yeah i killed four people he said martin tells him though i didn't touch anything and uh they might suspect me but they don't have any proof so i didn't't touch anything. I'm clean on this. They're never going to fucking find me. He told Golden, because his friend said,

why'd you kill the girls? Same question you had. Why kill the girl? Very logical question. I get killing Terry Hebert. Right. I get that. You shoot this guy,

another big guy's coming at you. He's this guy's bodyguard. You're going to shoot him. I understand that. You don't, naked teenage girls are no physical threat to you. It's so far out of the realm of the, of the threat. Yeah. There's no reason. They don't naked teenage girls are no physical threat to you it's so far out of the realm of

the of the threat yeah it's just yeah there's no reason they're they don't even they can't they definitely don't even have weapons on them they are nude they're not fighting no at all so uh yeah they asked why'd you kill the women and he said quote once i started shooting there was no stopping yeah so he just went into a fucking frenzy of reloading and all that. There was stopping. The fucking thing was empty. Yeah. He had. You idiot.

Oh, my God. He said, well, how are you going to get away with it? And this is Chester Golden's quote. Quote, he said, I didn't touch anything. He said, no one saw me. He said, I'll just stick to my story and keep my mouth shut and I'll get off. And so Chester said, quote, David, everybody knows you had a grudge against bobby todd and uh david said quote i figure they'll pick me up but i'm just going to keep my mouth shut and they don't have any proof so except for the part where you just admitted it to your friend to your friend

you fucking dummy yeah and probably we'll talk about it all oh not only his friend he also confessed to four more people that night how he was going to get away with this murder don't worry y'all i ain't saying shit except to all of y'all except to everybody except to literally everyone in town except to the rogeroo or whatever the half i told everybody but the half man wolfhead boy i didn't tell him rogeroo don't get shit rogeroo is known to have a big fucking mouth he tells everyone no one can understand him, but he tells everybody. God, Jesus. So he told one of them, Pamela Wilson, that he threw the gun and the money into the bayou. So somewhere in the bayou, there's two big rolls of cash down there, which could have bought half of home, I'm sure.

But he didn't want to have the money on him, as evidence, because I'm sure it was bloody also. So he is arrested a short time after that. You know, not surprisingly. The sheriff who made the arrest told reporters for a newspaper that Martin appeared, quote, strung out on dope at the time. The expert opinion of a rural 70s policeman. He was strung out on dope i don't know so that was just anybody yeah i saw him with a book so i figure he's strung out on dope because he was reading something i don't know so yeah uh jesus christ by the way he told chester golden we'll

talk about this he told chester golden that he shot the last girl in the stomach and she wouldn't die he kept shooting her in the stomach he said said she told him that she was hurting bad. She was in pain and begged him to kill her. So he said to finish her, he shot her in the face. So, you know, he's a humanitarian. Yeah, but... He had already shot her in the stomach. In the face probably didn't do it.

It probably just knocked her unconscious. You know what I mean? Because unless you get it into the fucking brain yeah close range 357 in the belly there's no fucking vital i mean there's vital organs but they're not like you bleed you know it's bleed out shit see tim roth reservoir dogs yeah but i think in in the in the face in that particular instance did it uh close range with the 357 that'll do it so yeah yeah um there was a total of 15 shots fired that they recovered and and figured out and he was carrying a six round revolver which means he had to stop twice to reload fucking that's too much twice and he left

three and yeah three in there yeah well the last shot was a girl in the face and he was like well everybody's dead that's enough three that's that's one for you fucker oh boy jesus christ yeah i'm sorry at that point what are you doing man jesus ah so uh yeah he uh after the shooting he took the rolls of money to make it look like a robbery is what he told people so that's what it looked like oh they came in and robbed him and then he threw everything in the in the bayou which is a nice place to be able to get rid of shit so he's arrested like we said he's strung out on dope is what they say uh now august 15th his wife gloria she agrees to come down to the police station to give a statement here uh and now after she signed her statement she orally consents for the officers to search

her home she says yeah okay you can search home, but there's no paperwork or anything. They accompany Gloria to the home in order to search it. They're looking for clothes that he might have been wearing over the course of the evening. So one officer found a pair of pants, and Gloria herself found a shirt and turned it over to the police. Now, the officer said that there was no fear,

intimidation, menacing threats, inducements, or promises used to get her consent for the search. Well, that's going to come up. That's the claim, yeah. However, she said that when she gave her statement, several officers told her that if she did not quit lying, they would arrest her, too, which I'm sure they did. They said, listen, trash lady.

They treat these fucking, I'm sure they treat her like shit um which at this point she had nothing to fucking do with anything yeah but they're right too they can say that yeah yeah if you don't tell me the truth i'm gonna fucking arrest you say whatever you want yeah so she said that uh she said that they didn't threaten to file charges they said that uh she said that they didn't threaten to file charges against her if she didn't give consent and that she gave she did give permission. But they kind of there was no formal like like if you do this, we'll do this. But it was kind of like we're going to arrest you if you don't stop lying. It was one of those things.

She said she operated under fear when she gave her statement and consent, though. She said the state brought in 10 deputies, including the officers who had taken her statement and those who conducted the search. She was unable to identify which officers frightened her. All of this. But yeah, they end up finding that he tells his wife, by the way, at this point, because he he gets into the police station. He ends up telling him that he did it at first. Really?

Yeah. His wife visits him and he tells his wife, quote, I did it for you, baby. It's very romantic. You certainly didn't do it for her. Very romantic. I got to say. Did it all for you, baby. Now you don't have to fuck him or those girls or that guy.

Isn't it great? Aren't I a great guy? Good guy right here. That's what I'm saying. Wow. So I liberated your pussy from the from all these people. The burden of fucking all those i'm a goddamn gentleman and me too because i'm in prison you'll never have to enjoy your lonely

pussy have a good one that's what he said jesus christ too bad i can't call this episode lonely pussy because i think that would be i don't think itunes would let me do that that would probably take it down what do you think jimmy holy shit lonely pussy i feel like that uh that algorithm would algorithm what the algorithm would eat this episode it would fucking break it definitely jesus so lonely pussy lonely pussy so martin's his brother here, his brother, by the way, who's a junior, his brother gets him a Texas attorney with 10 years criminal trial experience and some experience with capital cases. Because, by the way, they're going for the death penalty on this one. The Texas attorney.

What year is this? 77. Okay. This is right after he came back. this 77 okay uh this is right after he came back so uh the texas attorney uh who was uh associated with this uh thing he he gets a louisiana lawyer to you know be a local advocate i guess with limited criminal experience and no experience in capital offenses and he uh lead counsel was also assisted by an investigator who made several trips to the area of the crime. Now, when he first met the lead counsel, his lead counsel said that he said, take me in there and either get me off or tell them to fucking take me to Angola and fry me.

That's what he said. I'm not pleading. I'm not doing any of this shit. One way or the other. Walk me or fry me was his words. So, yeah, full acquittal or death penalty. In a state where Harry Connick Sr.'s dad, who's a motherfucker, is a G, was he the G.A.?

Or A.G.? What's the word? I think so. Is he the general admission? I think he's a general admission, yeah. He's right down in front, but about 10 rows back. That's where he is. Anyhow, but that man, he was a monster and yeah yeah

you're gonna go into this state and talk about walk me or fry me careful with those words i've guessed because the death penalty wasn't around for like the last 10 years maybe they were people were getting cocky like fry me but they didn't actually think that it was a thing that happened and i don't know what happened but uh yeah, he he also told his lead counsel that he had taken drugs in the night of the murders. And the lead counsel arranged for him to be examined by a psychiatrist. He told the psychiatrist he had taken PCP on the night in question. And the doctor, therefore, discussed a drug related defense with the lead counsel. That's how this went.

According to the doctor here, the effect of a PCP type of drug, I don't know if anybody's ever done dust, but he says, quote, the thinking capacity of the human being would raise substantive and serious questions about Martin's ability to formulate logical thoughts on or about the night of the murders.

He also concluded that the murders were inconsistent with Martin's past history, except in the presence of such toxins as LSD or PCP. He also said that the drug-related offenses would be medically valid and credible in his case. He thought an intelligent decision about, he thought that it was a good decision to do that defense.

The doctor did. And, but these, none of this was ever pursued by Martin's counsel. And the doctor was never again spoken to by the lawyer. So this lawyer says, you know, he was on PCP and I think that would have affected his ability. And I'll testify to the fact that he shouldn't be. He didn't know what he was doing. And so they never talked to that guy again. Got it.

So which is weird. I don't know. So his lead attorney also did not do any research to determine whether voluntary intoxication was even in defense to first degree murder in Louisiana because he practices in Texas. Local counsel, who doesn't even handle criminal cases up five years later, testified that he, quote, got into the question real heavy. But he said that there was substantial confusion about the legal questions involved. And he said that voluntary intoxication was not the defense. So basically this guy said, here's my defense. And they said, well, we don't really know if that's legally okay to do there.

So we're just going to not let you do that. This is why you have lawyers so they know the law because you don't. You know, people who went to college for this. Yeah, you know, people who practice law. I've only had a lawyer, A, that practiced law in this state that would know the state law and b the guy they d does have is has done this before you need somebody who's done this before right this is why this is not good here uh this is not a good enough death penalty defense i'm sorry and like the state should make sure that they get a better defense because then they can say they with you can right stand back and go confidence and you can we feel good about what we did yeah rather than oh he's got that shit lawyer

oh it's gonna be easy we'll fry him quick no that's not how this shit you should never want that if you're a prosecutor you should always want them to have the best defense and then fucking beat them exactly you want to say i beat oj's team and it's worth it because now you know he's fucking guilty because he had the best defense. It's like the Eagles getting to beat the Patriots. You know that you're the best one. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. You win.

Exactly. That's what you want. You want to beat the best. You should never want to walk over anybody in the championship. No, no, no, no. It should never be a fucking blowout. Yeah, no. Well, there are monies involved, but this is a moral thing at the law.

I'm just making a good comparison. Yeah, yeah. I get you. I get you. I get your analogy. I'm making a competitive comparison it works it works so yeah it's not it's not uh pursued at all this intoxication defense it was never discussed with martin that the decision to not do it he never even discussed the the council never even discussed the possibility of that defense with him yeah he explains it like this, the lead counsel.

One, I was convinced that the defense of diminished capacity because of drugs was not real, was not a defense that was there. I was not, I mean, no one indicated to me any factors that would indicate at the time of the offense Mr. Martin was intoxicated as a result of drug use. One thing that concerned me in that regard was the incident involving Mr. Martin, Mr. And Mrs. Martin's child and the birth of their child.

There've been a child born to miss blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. It goes into the child. He says that it appeared those complications may well have been related to the drug,

to drug use on the part of either Mr. Or Mrs. Martin, which is not what anybody has brought up. No one thought they were doing any drugs at that point. The man was religious at that point and was committed. Yeah, they were like super into the whole thing. And he says, quote,

I was concerned that any suggestion that Martin might have either inadvertently or through negligence or engaging himself in unlawful activities, such as the use of drugs, had been responsible for the serious complications to his child, may have seriously prejudiced Mr. Martin in the eyes of the jury. So he didn't want to say that because he thought the jury would think that he was fucked up on drugs when he hurt his baby and that would make him look bad. That's what they thought, that they would infer that. Rather than them going, the death of his baby caused him to do drugs.

He thought they would take it backwards instead of forwards. That's crazy. Your job as the attorney is to lead them forward not let them take it backwards also maybe that's why the an attorney should maybe uh try some drugs at some point okay that's the other thing too yeah try try drugs experiment a little bit you have to go to college use drugs while you're there please at least try it because then try then your words sound a little more credible when you say shit like this i know that you've never tried a fucking thing in your life yeah he just thinks you take drugs and then your missionary sex is

boring as fuck and you drink your coffee black if you take drugs you'll turn into a cartoon slaughter everyone around you and then think you can fly and jump off the roof that's how drugs work two blow jobs a year for your birthday and on christmas enjoy not christmas she's awfully tired on christmas early day woke up with the kids, just his birthday. It's usually when she falls asleep. You get your blowjob. Well, he's getting something. He gets his blowjob. He's getting it. So, he says he chose to instead pursue the defense

that he had not committed the murders at all, which is a crazy defense here. He explained that in his opinion, the physical evidence showed, he thought that, this lawyer thought that the physical evidence showed the victims could not have been shot in that small trailer. And that he thought that the bodies were taken into the trailer from somewhere else, even though the inside of the trailer is like a fucking Jackson Pollock painting. It's just shit everywhere.

They're clearly killed in there. Yeah. He said that he believed the defense to be tenable because the state's case would be, quote, straight out circumstantial, which is true. They don't have any physical evidence. No prints. They don't have the gun. Nothing except for him telling everybody that he did it. That's a tough one, though.

Before anybody knew about it. In detail. Yeah. So the trial comes around April 3rd, 1978. They bring in the wife thing. That's a big deal here. The wife statements of the wife with the shirt and all that kind of shit.

So they have a big kind of pre-trial thing about this about whether to admit some of the shirt and shit like that. After considering the testimony of the witnesses at the motion to suppress hearing, he says the trial judge concluded the defendant's wife freely and voluntarily gave her consent and admitted the items of clothing into evidence. So that was a big deal because there was blood on them, like victim's blood.

That's the only physical evidence they have. Also, there's a jury thing here, and we've had this a few times, where there's a juror that is unsure about the death penalty. And it's always a spotty thing so the district attorney asked if she would automatically vote against the imposition of capital punishment regard without regard to the evidence and she said uh would i definitely be opposed to it he said yes she said yes i would not be opposed yes but i would be yes but i would not be opposed to just punishment you know but i just don't think I could say kill, which you could say, that's so stupid. Is it kill?

You're killing, either way. You could say death penalty, but you can't say kill. But don't say kill, sugar. Be an adult about what you're doing. Be an adult. Also, if you are going to sentence someone to death, say fucking kill, because it should make you feel like that because you are killing a human being. So you should probably fucking realize that you're doing that.

And maybe you don't want to do that. That's somebody that just can't say the truth. That's somebody can't handle it. She wants him to disappear, but she feels bad fucking doing it. Put him away forever. Well, then what's the fucking point? Yeah. Well, yeah.

So she said they asked her again. Are you telling are you telling us that absolutely under no circumstances would you ever vote for the death penalty? She said, I don't think so, really. I would vote, as I said, complete punishment. And maybe I would like maybe I would like to whip them physically. But I don't know if I would want to. Jesus.

I don't know if I'd want to put anybody's life out. You cold hearted bitch. I'd like to whip him physically. Maybe I would like to. Maybe I could beat the You cold hearted bitch. I'd like to whip him physically. Maybe I would like to. Maybe I could beat the living shit out of him. Could I do that? Quote, and maybe I would like to whip them physically. Okay.

She is way worse. So then the judge jumped in and goes, hold on. Hold on, lady. Let's take it back a notch. You think that's cruel and unusual? You want to whip a man and throw him in a cell? Jesus. Fuck. The judge said, i want to ask you a question uh what's your number would you yeah we're gonna talk sweetheart he said would you automatically vote against the imposition of the death penalty

without regard to the evidence and she so he just wants a straight answer and she said uh honestly i would now i'm not saying that that's the right decision this is how i feel she just keeps these they're like that's not what we asked you yes or fucking no lady jesus christ can you vote for the death penalty can i spank him yeah absolutely can i just like tie him up give a ball again shit like that later on this is going to come in into a lot of play yeah when it you know comes up of the he should have been able to keep this juror or whatever. Also, there's another woman here, a woman that made several calls to Bobby Todd's trailer on the night of the murders. These phone calls, the one that she said that he was sleeping for 13 hours, these phone calls helped the state set up a timeline of the offense because i guess she called uh called

at 7 30 805 8 10 and uh this sort of shit todd has got a sweet dick yeah bobby todd must be he's got somebody checking on him possibly are you ready to fuck yeah he just he plays a flute and it comes out of his pants and causes women to drop like i don't know what's he's got to have a magic dick this guy because they're coming this shit is insane the woodwork teenagers people calling dudes wives for you bobby fuck man uh yeah uh this woman stated and this is the police report quote she stated that she had worked at the black gold for some time and that she had at one time lived in the trailer yeah this woman too jesus wow on the night she called about 7 30 she'd spoke to bobby todd she that she had at one time lived in the trailer yeah this woman too jesus wow on the night she called about 7 30 she'd spoke to bobby todd she said she had told bobby told her she he had

just awakened and slept some 13 hours she also said bobby was in good spirits yeah he just woke up from a 13 hour nap with then he's got two naked 19 year old girls running around his house living a dream he's in great spirits he's skipping around and he's got two pockets full of cash he's got two pockets full of cash the smile on this so happy and a bodyguard just in case like he's living great this is terrific he's fucking dancing he's that's how that's what made david so mad as he danced out of his bedroom he danced going hey how you doing how you doing man hey oh there's a gun here here's all my money it's he let him before he shot him he let him go through a whole verse of zippity doodah and then he was like i can't take it anymore i hate this fucking guy

he's too happy my god and i'm miserable so jesus christ so yeah that's what happened uh it doesn't take a lot in this trial there's really there's a lot of people saying yeah he told me he shot those people he's got bloodstained clothes his wife told his wife i did it for you baby and then there's him just going not testifying but just saying he didn't do it yeah kind of tough uh does not take the jury very long to uh by the way one of those i have to say this uh after talking to bobby this woman talked to one of the other girls in the house and she told she told the the sandy girl the one of the 19 year olds that she was coming to pick her up around 8 30 to go to new orleans for a trip that had been planned earlier so she was almost out of there an hour later she'd have been in a car going to new orleans and

instead she's dead and nude and shot on a trailer floor which is never good so he is convicted of four counts of first degree murder wow yeah So this is bad news for him. Now we're going to sentencing. Yeah. And he is begging for some fucking mercy. Sure. Aggravated factors are multiple. Yeah.

The way he killed the girl. Stolen weapon. He did actually use it in commission of a robbery. Whether he said he did it to make it look like one or not, he shot a man and walked away with two folds. So that's... And also the multiple death situation in the same act is all all aggravators premeditation well yeah premeditation coming out of his ass uh as a as a as a mitigators they talk about his

church work they talk about his dad died young he had troubled youth but he tried to come back out of it and he went to college and he he's been counseling youths and he's been helping people and he's had drug problems and he's a nice guy they brought that uh culpepper guy in the elder of the church to talk about how he walked around a broken leg building a church jonte's uncle donald oh boy you know it helping probably is helping teenagers and and fucking you know uh just doing all these wonderful things. And that cashier that he knew from the bank talked about he was so generous and he's a trustworthy man that will repay a loan. And he's a good guy.

His brother, Dale, came in here and described him as a generous and unselfish person who's never been convicted of any crimes. And Dale was the one who said, look, if you want to know the truth, I think that he blames himself for his daughter's death and his daughter's injury. And he's never recovered from that. And I've why he's my brother. I've watched him fall apart since then. And he's doing drugs and he's just he's he needs help. He's a fucking mess. That's what he needs.

Not the death penalty. And the judge says, you, sir, may fuck off death penalty. He says, I think that's what he does need the judge says and uh this is going to be in the electric chair this is not going to be in any civilized manner that does make sense because that was uh harry connick's dad's favorite thing like he had a chair on his desk that would like jesus you could like yeah yeah it was fucked up well they the chair was not even operational. The chair was in storage. At this point, right away, the state seeks emergency funds to repair the electric chair.

They're preparing for the first... It broke down? It wasn't in use because the death penalty was abolished. So they're preparing for the first state execution in 18 years at that point. They asked for emergency appropriation to repair the electric chair. They sent a letter to the governor asking for $30,000 to rewire the chair, which was last used in 61, and also to construct a building at the prison at Angola where executions can take place.

The first one they went up for this is David. They were like, he's going to be a good experiment see if the chair works here uh so uh he was the first louisiana convict uh sentenced to die under the new law that gives trial judges the authority to sign death warrants rather than it was a jury judge situation there uh so thirty thousand dollars to get the chair in working order and going so this comes around they get the chair all worked they got it all polished up got their loan got their loan or got their emergency appropriations 1981 he is all set for execution all set to die and then two weeks before his scheduled uh uh death here by the way gruesome gertie is what they call the electric chair. Not old Sparky?

They went with gruesome Gertie? Gruesome Gertie. My Christ. Which sounds way too creepy and celebratory. Yeah, that's really dancing on a body in it. Yeah, well, it's also like we're going to have cruel unusual punishment. We're going to call it not cruel unusual, and then we're going to name the fucking instrument gruesome. Cruel unusual, I think gruesome is worse than both of those. I would say so.

Yeah, that's bad. So anyway, he gets a federal appeal of his case at this point here. They issue a stay of execution. Who the fuck calls it that? The prosecutor? That's what they all call it. Really? Like Old Sparky is Florida's.

That's Gruesome Gertie. That's what they've always called it. Gruesome Gertie. And they brought it back. So it's fucking crazy, man. So they do get the federal appeal here. So on the appeal, they call Dr. Richard Gary, who's an expert on the effect of drugs as a witness here.

He testifies that one of the common effects of pcp is an amnesiac uh amnesiac response amnesiac and amnesiac what is amnesia amnesian amnesia amnesiac okay i don't know if it's amnesiac or if you wouldn't that be a person an amnesiac probably amnesian and amnesia amnesic response i don't know uh that is they don't remember either completely or they have complete amnesia or it's fragmented. They remember part of what went on during their trip. A lot of times they don't remember completely. And if it's fragmented, they'll remember things that happened an hour before, but not two hours before.

He also said they seldom remember the event in very clear detail. He said it's possible for someone under the influence of PCP to remember the event for a short time and then forget about it. He said it's not uncommon. He says it in approximately 10 percent of the cases. People will forget about shit and then remember later and then forget again. Weird. So the brain spots here. Now, the record does indicate here that his counsel failed to conduct a reasonable investigation into the intoxication defense.

Like we said, they never talked to that Dr. Bird again. Just crazy. And he had a testimony. He had a conversation with the lead counsel telling them that, you know, he should do that. The lawyer manifested no awareness when he testified in the habeas case. He the lawyer, when the lawyer comes in and testifies he goes i never even knew he was messed up that day he never told me shit which they did have a meeting with the doctor

so that's that's not great apparently he failed the lawyer failed to pursue the investigate the investigation suggested by dr bird uh that were necessary to make a decision concerning the intoxication defense and uh both counsels apparently failed to familiarize themselves with Louisiana law on the availability of an intoxication as a defense. They didn't even check into it. And also they say that Martin's instructions for his lawyers to obtain an acquittal or the death penalty did not justify his lawyers' failure to investigate the intoxication defense. Because he said, they're trying to go, well, he said either acquittal or death penalty.

So intoxication defenses, you would have gotten manslaughter or something. So that's not what he wanted. And they're saying, well, that doesn't mean you can't investigate it at all because he didn't even look at it. They also say the appeals court, quote, uncounseled jailhouse bravado without more should not deprive a defendant of his right to counsel's better informed advice yeah yeah that's the truth yeah now they also uh they also say that he fails martin fails to show that his defense was disadvantaged because he had failed to show that a reasonable investigation would have produced evidence that he lacked specific intent to kill testimony by both doctors bird and gary established

only the possibility of such evidence but not that it actually existed but the fact that they didn't investigate it means that they'll never have that evidence and he can't do anything about that so that's like great thanks a lot your lawyer was shitty but you know what we can't tell whether how shitty he was now no so i guess it was was fine. Yeah. So they all testify for him at the federal habeas hearings. They said the habeas court, they were trying to show that Martin suffered substantial and actual disadvantage when his counsel failed to authorize further medical evaluation. He talks a lot about the counsel.

Also, he said that the intoxication defense, the court says, by taking money from the murder scene and by disposing of the gun, he demonstrated his lucidity immediately following the homicides, which is true. He tried to cover it up. There you go. That's a big deal. Both doctors testified at the hearing that amnesia is a common symptom of PCP intoxication. Yet Martin was certainly not an amnesiac uh immediately following the murders he gave repeated detailed confessions that night so that's an also that's another thing given these facts no jury would have accepted the intoxication defense even if uh were to conclude

that he had demonstrated actual substantial disadvantage resulting from his counsel's ineffectiveness doesn't fucking matter uh also claims that he was ineffective counsel was in the guilt stage of the trial by failing to present evidence establishing that he was undergoing severe emotional turmoil uh about the death of his child and uh and the evidence may have convinced the jury that uh maybe he was only guilty of manslaughter i guess uh they said that he should have investigated and introduced evidence of the personal difficulties he was experiencing in the months before the murders his daughter and everything like that uh but the court says martin's counsel cannot be faulted for failing

to pursue the pursue the manslaughter defense uh simply because the evidence simply didn't support such a theory so there's that which makes a lot of fucking sense uh they said uh the uh uh his daughter was born eight months before the murders so they said it's hard to put that into that plus his unemployment wasn't a new development this was had been going on in there a while yeah his wife's infidelity with with with todd took day place two days before the murders they said he should have cooled down by then. But that's still a motivator. Yeah, but they're saying, like,

it's not like she told him and he marched right over there and did it and didn't know what he was doing. Like, it wasn't the heat of the moment. So that's what they're trying to say. They said a reasonable jury would have likely concluded that at the time of the killings, his blood had cooled, is the way they put it, and his counsel cannot be criticized for pursuing a defense of such questionable merit.

Now, also, he challenges the sufficiency of the evidence supporting the aggravating circumstances found by the sentencing jury. The court found that, Jesus, Martin knowingly created a risk of death or great bodily harm to more than one person, which, yeah, I don't know how he could say he didn't. They said that the court's review of only one of the two aggravating circumstances violates the 8th and 14th amendments god damn it and uh they said no it doesn't you're good you're fine even if he has the the the argument that he didn't know what he was doing was going to hurt anybody after the first guy dies yeah and you do the same thing to three other people probably You probably knew. Yeah, I think he's seen what guns do.

Also, he argues that the court erred in denying his request for a mistrial after a police officer testified that his wife told him the shirt she gave the officers belonged to him. And that's hearsay. They didn't establish it on their own. She told him that. And then he got up in court and said, Gloria told me that this was his shirt. So he can't say that. Gloria has to get up and say, I told him that was his shirt. If he says it, they're trying to say that's hearsay, which, wow.

They said the clothing was admitted into evidence. He said, quote, the blue jean shirt was received by Detective Bordeaux from the wife of Mr. Martin, and the trousers came from a bathroom that the residents that Mr. Martin identified as Mrs. Martin identified as belonging to her husband. He objected and requested the judge instruct the jury to disregard the comment. And the judge did. He did instruct them because it is hearsay.

Later in the trial, he testified again uh quote that this is officer bordeaux this is a shirt we picked up out of the house which gloria martin gave to detective lorette and set up along to david martin again he requested that the judge uh uh you know tell the jury to disregard and he does and then he requests a mistrial claiming that such hearsay statement prejudiced the jury because they heard it twice. So they said just telling them to disregard. It's not enough to cure the whole situation. We got to throw the whole case out. Fuck out of here.

He was irreparably prejudiced. He said by that one statement, they said that his the judge handled it the way he should have handled it. Yeah. They said that a mistrial is only warranted when a trial error results in substantial prejudice. Not that it was his shirt. It was in his house. Nobody a trial error results in substantial prejudice. Not that. It was his shirt. It was in his house.

Nobody else's shirts are in his house. Period. Another thing, he said the court erred when it denied his motion for a new trial based on the discovery of new evidence. This is his big evidence thing. Discovery by the state of the victim's blood types constituted new evidence of sufficient value that he should have had a new trial. He says that his argument is that the evidence admitted at the trial,

that type O blood was found on the kitchen counter in the trailer, combined with the discovery after the trial that one of the victim's blood type was type O. He said that supported the theory that the victims were killed somewhere else and their bodies were transported to the trailer, which makes no sense i don't know that's true yeah yeah they said that uh in this case discovery of the blood types was not so material that it would have produced a different result than the verdict reached yeah little things with blood and shit they said the presence of blood all over the trailer including the walls weakened his theory that the bodies removed additionally no other drops of blood were found in a direct line between the victim having O blood and the kitchen counter, nor were any drops of blood found outside or leading into the trailer.

Yeah, four people who have been shot 15 fucking times would leave a trail of blood if you drug them somewhere, I would imagine. Yeah, so that's that. They say it is affirmed here. Yes. So that's that. They say it is affirmed here. The United States Circuit Court of Appeals noted that this was a divided case, though. Four to three vote.

Really? To keep the death penalty. Four, three. Three people wanted to shit can the death penalty because it was too many little things. But none of them on their own were enough. And you really can't do a cumulative thing. But if you're on that board and you go, there was like ten things that were questionable. you really can't do a cumulative thing but if you're on that board and you go there was like 10 things that were questionable let's just not do it they whatever so we're like sure before we're like let's do it uh there is a dissenting opinion

uh they say uh here we'll give their little quote here david d martin stands uh blah blah blah we'll get to that his crimes are unpardonable and he certainly deserves the severest kind of non-capital punishment however the evidence does not prove with the high degree of certainty required by law that martin's acts were marked by the type of beast uh bestiality or misanthropy uh which i believe the legislature intended to uh recompense with death the jury the jury's finding that the offenses were committed in an especially heinous atrocious or cruel manner was clearly erroneous nor was the proof that the sufficient that martin set upon his course of conduct with knowledge that he was creating a risk of death to more than one person if you're going over with a gun in your shirt to

pick a bone with somebody you're fucking putting right there you're you're there's a risk furthermore the mitigating of evidence clearly offsets the evidence of aggravation as to make the death penalty inappropriate in this case. That's the dissenting. And I get that they're trying to that you got to do that in an educated way and use words that are that are very clear and precise. But fucking never use the word bestiality in anything. I don't care what you're trying to illustrate. All I see is a dude raping a dog. Outside of animal fucking. Keep bestiality in anything i don't care what you're trying to illustrate all i see is a dude raping a dog so outside of animal fucking keep bestiality out of that word out of here because now it sounds like did he fuck a dog right bestiality does not mean what a horse

intending to have that mean i think he fucked a horse when he was killing i just read in the paper he fucked a horse i'm pretty sure bestiality and conjugal do not mean what the dictionary says not at all it's over it's it's we've taken those words and fucking animals that's all that is so uh the last hope is the clemency board that's the last hope and uh to the board his sister comes in uh luvina farinola jesus she lives in wheeling west virginia so they've just picked the greatest place it's a spread out to she pleaded with the board to stop the execution saying quote i don't want to see him die i want to see him go through the trauma of it i don't want to go through the trauma of it

the family i just can't picture david committing a crime well he shot these people and you know you didn't have to picture it it's there it's we have pictures we can show you the pictures if you want we can show you so you don't have to i mean you don't have to picture it. It's there. We have pictures. We can show you the pictures if you want. We can show you so you don't have to. There's a lot of them. I mean, you don't have to see it yourself. Another sister said that Martin had always been a carefree, smiling person who counseled troubled youths from the time he was a teenager. She said, quote, I can't believe that because of... No, this is him.

I'm sorry. Here's what he says. He does not give last words at all. These are kind of his words here i can't believe that because one night i acted out of character i know what i am inside i couldn't willfully take another person's life i don't believe i am a defect of society then he said to take someone's life is out of character for me it's it is not david martin i'm devastated at what i have done but i I can't remember it. My life has been dedicated to saving lives, helping people, not destroying people.

But I know I wouldn't willfully take another person's life. Something bad went down, but it wasn't David Martin. I wasn't right. I don't know. I don't know. That's all. I wasn't right. Terrible statement.

I wasn't right. I don't know. I don't know. That's all. Yeah. He used himself in the third. It's not. It was not David Martin. I'll tell you what's not it's it was not david martin

i'll tell you what's not harvey weinstein touching these girls that's not harvey weinstein so yeah wow uh his mother three sisters and half brother all attended the five-hour hearing with the board and uh the board announces a five to zero decision to go through with the execution. Wow. And with no comment either. Nothing. They didn't even give a comment. They just said, nope, we're going to kill him.

Family. How awesome is that? Jesus. They just all point at him and go, no. Nope. Well, I'll tell you exactly how it went down, actually. One of the sisters here, she said, quote, you know, afterwards she was crying and said she doesn't want to see him die.

He's touched. So the lives of so many people, spiritually, intellectually and personally, his mother and sister were all there. Like we said, he was very calm at the pardon hearing. He I guess after they announced it, the the warden came over and told him that he wasn't that it was whatever. And they said that he showed little emotion. He nodded to acknowledge that he understood. And then he turned to his lawyer and shook his hand and told him, he said, quote, you've been a good friend and shook his hand.

So thanks for helping me, basically. Before this, Jesus Christ. So the clemency board here, they're trying to get people to not go before the clemency board. That's what the state's not only trying to execute them but trying to kind of take down the last yeah the last hope they have here uh they say they get basically they can go to that to get a temporary reprieve and what ends up happening is you have like a month so you can delay your execution at the last minute for a month that's your game that you have and they're freaking out about that rather

than just taking in the con take it into a into note that he's going to delay it a month at the end because they can go to the clemency board and uh so that they're trying to get rid of it even though none of them have been successful up to this point doesn't matter uh what the one of the board members here are one of the the guys who runs the thing said quote it's obvious why they are coming to the board after their their legal appeal appeals are exhausted to try to get more time, which, yeah, obviously. Also stood in the event that somebody is fucking innocent and they're going to. Don't you want every filter, every opportunity to look at it? What's a month?

Who cares? Let's take a look. Let's take a peek. Maybe something crazy happened. You never know. Maybe we'll find something where somebody overlooked something. Wouldn't that be fucking wild? Then you can find a really bad guy that actually did it, and you can kill him.

Fry his balls off or whatever the fuck. Look, we're going to take a look at it again and be like, extra fuck you. We were right. There's no wrong in that. No, it's ridiculous. Now, after this, apparently after this happens, that near time is up. Once the clemency board said no, he went, quote, straight to the prison's death house from the clemency hearing here. Yeah, they said that this delayed the execution while they waited for the case.

They said, quote, this has been turned into a bigger event than it has than it is as far as an imminent execution the federal courts have recognized for years the right of the people to have habeas hearings and i can't imagine that somewhere down the line federal courts would deny to david martin this hearing since it's been granted to countless other people this is a normal legal due process that's open to all defendants they were acting like it was like just are you kidding me how could he possibly ask for a fucking clemency here no this is we can't have this it's like no this is what we we do exactly why we set the system part of the system don't worry about it fucking relax so uh the uh go to the death house here at angola uh he was calm and he remained

hopeful uh uh when the warden told him about everything the warden said quote i went over to i went over and told him he reacted to it very calmly he thanked me for coming and saying uh and said they were going to try again which they can't there uh gruesome gertie and it's back again like we said the uh uh despite the whole thing the the electric chair was moved to a cement block administration building in a secluded corner of the prison farm. That's where this is. That's way worse.

Yeah, that's like being taken to the corner of a farm into a shed to be executed. You're literally taken out back. This is disturbing. So, yeah, well, it gets worse. So, yeah. And you know who oversees the electrocution? No.

You would think what? The governor. Oh, well, I meant like to oversee to make sure it works okay. A doctor and who? Jimmy. A medical professional. Medical professionals, one thing they don't do is kill people. It's kind of the first thing that they said they're not supposed to do is kill people.

Even a medical examiner hit man a coroner the guy who takes the body and puts it in a bag and puts it in the back of the thing and takes it to the coroner that guy fucking lunch lady a licensed electrician oh that's who oversees what electrocution a licensed electrician a guy that comes out to fix your gfi's is gonna oh i'm i'm just by the way my jaws dropped and i'm just shaking my head i make sure we don't blow a few what what the fuck are you talking about are you fucking kidding me i just went through an hvac class i think he's dead i don't know did you check his i don't even know i'm not a doctor the circuitry still we blew

nothing he's the light the lights are on he's probably dead then i did my part i think i don't know what y'all are doing that was a whole hell of a lot of electricity wow got to be dead holy shit so the the chair had been you know if this is like you know one of them stands back after that and goes an electrician did y'all see that shit it's a funny thing that they made sure to say that he was licensed that's the funny part who cares is a union what does it matter what the fuck are we talking about what are we talking about here that is unbelievable jesus christ a licensed electrician well that's who i want to oversee my last moments on earth a guy with a name tag fucking this guy be a joking he's like

are we going to be done soon because i am installing a surround sound in a house out in new orleans in the suburbs for a while those housewives they get angry if you're late it's kind of a drive y'all i really gotta get this cooking see i'm pretty funny too whoa holy shit this electric chair had been stored in the uh warden's garage that's where they kept it this is this is small town murder everybody this is what i'm talking about the snowshoes we got an execution today i'm sorry honey you can't keep your car in the garage i know it's hot but you have to keep your car out there because I need to keep the electric chair in there. Sorry.

Sorry. No. Oh, Christ. I was going to put my wood shop in there, but I grew some Gertie in there. Jesus Christ. So the execution time comes. There was three demonstrators outside the prison gates. Three people. Normally, there's a big crowd. time comes there was uh three demonstrators outside the prison gates yeah three people

normally there's a big crowd you see three people and uh they were the family of of the uh of the murder victim one of the girls and they said quote i don't know if we're serving a purpose but we're just here to show some people are for capital punishment so they're there they're not even protesting no no they're there supporting the death penalty there and uh no other no protesters no this guy just it's like it never happened unbelievable not only that we'll talk about this in a second even the newspaper did not send a fucking reporter there to cover it what didn't even see not even the fucking homo whatever the shit where nothing is happening anyway they didn't even send a newspaper to oversee this thing nobody they just did this shit in the dark, which is creepy.

I'm sorry. It makes it feel a little more gross. Yeah, it's really fucking weird. But you know, there's a fine line between news coverage, too, because it needs to be a little bit, but not so much that we're like, we're killing somebody today. Yeah, but yeah, there should at least be like, this happened today and we were here. I was there for it to make sure that I saw that they had a licensed electrician overseeing that. That's the type of shit that the press is there for. Right.

That people can then go, they're using fucking electricians. That's wrong. Because they're not going to tell you that shit otherwise. They're not going to come and go, you know, we use electricians to kill people, right? That's not going to be the first fucking thing they're going to tell you. There was an electrician here today and he said, quote, Woo! Woo! Look at that bad boy go y'all see the flame on that motherfucker so david meets with his relatives for about 30 minutes after the hearing uh the warden said that quote they were telling each

other goodbye they seem to be a very loving family uh he they asked if he wants to say anything to the press does he have a statement he wants to release to the press not that they're here but you know we'll mail it to them and he said no uh they said what do you want for dinner last meal and he said no special dinner motherfucker just give me whatever so he ends up eating a final meal of sloppy joe's and french fries that is not a good final meal that's one of the worst we've heard a prison sloppy prison sloppy there's all sorts of onions in it and shit it's gotta be much worse than any sloppy joe you've ever had yeah it's not even manwich which is like bottom rung it's like 60 40 meat too like 40 fat it's chunks of bone in it it's just 60 40 with chunks of bone in it. It's just 60-40 with chunks of bone and then barbecue. That's it.

And fried French fries. His attorney, Richard Shapiro, not Robert, Richard. He got the other one. He said that the jurors who sentenced him to death were never told he'd been taking PCP the night of the murders. And that's his thing the warden said that as he Martin and his family they were talking and reading the bible and I asked if there's anything special he wanted to report to the news media and he said no he said he had his he had a last meal of sloppy joes and french fries he didn't want anything special that was the fair

that was what that was what was on fair for everybody that night uh and then the warden also said he seemed to be in very good spirits which i think is taking a little would you like to say anything to the press fucking what press what yeah maybe he did say yes and they just weren't there sure and they were like well there is none and he was like i guess not then never mind uh so they vaulted they jolted him four times uh the first of four it's the first of four jolts uh it's 1207 a.m uh he you know he had his hands on the chair they uh the only thing they saw witnesses said they saw a wisp of smoke rise from one leg um and uh he uh he wore had a pair of jeans and a white t-shirt they moved his t-shirt to check his heart, and you could see his Love Gloria tattoo on his chest.

Oh, shit. It was like he should have loved Gloria a little less, maybe, and none of this shit would have happened. One of the people witnessing the thing here was a guy who was an anti-death penalty guy. And he says, I was sitting there looking at the chair. I looked over to my right, and as I did, suddenly he was there. He's a man I'd never seen a picture of. He was the man I'd never seen a picture of who I'd only known as David by references from the warden. I'll never forget that almost hysterical look as he looked out. It appeared as they pinched his leg for a moment. He almost appeared angry and then kind of glared

out at one of the officers. He glared at them for a moment and all of a sudden went back to an almost dull look on his face. It was almost like you got a picture of when you lean back and say, it's going to be over soon. That's the expression most of us had. As if I closed my eyes and I thought it was going to be over soon and then I'd wake up and it would be okay. But as he was in the chair, suddenly one of the guys tilted his head back swiftly and there was a strap that goes under his neck. I would never expect anyone to be treated gently and there may be something psychologically positive about treating someone very firmly right there this guy was just trying to make sense of the whole thing uh yeah uh he says though quote if david uh dean martin died that that night he should die for more than just a segment of society

that wants blood any eye for an eye if a young impressionable person could see that it might make an impression for a condemned man to say this is what i did this is the life i took uh so that's his opinion there and uh they finally at the end here they talk to his lawyer who sums up his life perfectly uh richard shapiro says with david quote it was either guns or it was god damn it with david quote it was either god or drugs yeah that's it one or the other no no fucking third gear first or fifth and uh that is home of louisiana my word that is quite a fucking tale of insanity story james and i don't even know what to say there it's uh jesus christ i don't know it's there's closure it happens this is one of those things where you could see this shit unfolding

like you could see it coming from a mile away and you could see it and it's like mr todd yeah the whole thing yeah yeah that too but the whole thing you could see it unfolding and it's and it's building and it's fuck man it's so horrible yeah and you wonder if the right person would have talked to him between friday and sunday if he would have changed his mind or changed his mindset. If he talked to his mom or something. I don't even know. Maybe he did. And he just couldn't understand the words coming out of anybody's fucking mouth.

That's true. He'd been down there and they all had Texas accents. He goes, I don't understand English. So I've been in Louisiana too long. That's possible. So, well, anyway, that is home of English, so I've been in Louisiana too long. That's possible. So, well, anyway, that is home of Louisiana, south of New Orleans, which should be the name of some kind of fucking blues record south of New Orleans. Get it together, Tab. Yeah, that's the one.

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that much to crime and sports they want to come anyway to see a live show Phoenix CB live October the 19th it's going to be hilarious it's a wrestler trust me it's going to be a hilarious story no sports all crime yeah I think next week they're going up so get on that and check those out follow us on social media so you'll know

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Now it's time to talk about some of these amazing people, these beautiful, wonderful, fabulous people who keep the damn lights on for us. Tell me all about these people like you got a 357 in my trailer living room. Hit me, Jimmy. This week's executive producers are Clay Thorson, who lost his pug this week. I'm really sorry about that. Rest in peace, Gonzo. Jordan Bennett.

Thank you very much, Jordan. Bridget Decker. Amy Spicer. And happy birthday, Susanna Platt. It was her birthday. Happy birthday. Thank you. She wanted to give us a gift.

Wow, that's amazing. Thank you so much. Happy birthday. Sonny Johansson, Ryan Kleinjan, Robin McGrail, Pat Fox Leonard, Callie Shinkunas, Mike Mike, David Salazar, who donated twice both ways. Thank you, Mike. Wow, thank you. Or David, Jesus.

Anthony Cannella, Ian with no last name. Karel Eja. Thank you. Michael Bustamante. Savvy Cortez. Gary Howard again. Thanks, Gary. Peyton Meadows.

Joshua Smith. Kira Bai. Meredith Ottery. Darwin Huron. Jesse Pitts had a new baby. Thanks for your donation, Jesse. You're a good dude. Brendan Ables. Zach Cloud, Emmanuel Christian, Kelly Higby, Nikki Waterman, Steve Schnell,

Edward Kaczynski, Mark Vasquez, Damian Barney. Wait, no, I think that's wrong. That might be it. Damn it. May Ring. I'm sorry. May Ringstad. You're not sorry.

Aaron Cerati, Hannah Pratt, Emma Banner, Michael McGuire, and then Hannah Pratt actually donated in memory of Brett Hinckley, who he died, but he was a big fan of both of our shows. And that bums me out to have one less listener, too. Yeah, that totally sucks. I like having people listening to to you know all our fucking bullshit i like when they dig it thanks yeah and rest in peace brett uh richard j thompson uh adam udani uh melissa tharp steph with no last name amanda berrigan uh zach taylor with an x uh do you want to do you want to guess if that's uh uh zach taylor with an x with an x zach with an X. Zach with an X. Zach with an X. It doesn't fit in there. No, it doesn't.

It's X-A-C. No, it's not. Zach, your mom hates you, Zach. Jesus Christ. Poor kid. Every time he's like, no, I know, I know, I know. Zach Taylor. I know.

I get it. I fucking get it. My mom loves Xanax and white wine. Yeah. Trust me. I fucking understand. Tiffany Bourne. Haley Ellis.inda with no last name

holly arnold john uh jeremy doan and jeremy phillips anthony burton justin sar uh sutton marvin justin i love justin we do justin's my boy is it marvin justin marvin it came through with sutton marvin that would that's fucking jesus why thank you yeah uh reda he whenever they uh put that common accommodated name when they put the Cominated, that is the name that's right. Cominated? That's definitely a new term. I've never heard that one before. Is your name Cominated?

Yes. Retta Ekstrom, Savannah Cortez, Courtney Michelle, Camille Mendez, Eraser? No, Frazier. Frazier Smith. It's a more normal name than Eraser I don't know Alexander Dallazal Mark Young

Michael Stepanek Eliza Gramung Cynthia Cynthia Munford Martina Liwulonga Yeah, Martina San Francisco girl Nicholas Crider Sarah with no last name Longa? Liwu Longa. Yeah, Martina. We know Martina. She's a San Francisco girl. She's terrific.

Nicholas Kreider. Sarah with no last name. Jude Kendall. Mark Protrowski. Yeah, Protrowski. Aubrey Worminski. Panther Milk. Maddie Timmy or Time.

Time-y. Chris Ross and the North donated. Hey, Chris Ross and the North. Good sense of humor on those guys. Go to their facebook page you can find them all over the fucking north they are everywhere they're doing well victoria stern delusional uh i don't know victoria stern is not delusional it's somebody named delusional okay tina russell ricky bryant ashley vo uh julie hoolan david albury justin miller again thanks Julie Hulin, David Albury, Justin Miller again. Thanks, Justin. Algina Huber, Ricky Bryant.

I said that. Julie Hulin. I said that. Chris Glenn, Victoria Houts, Marissa Cardenas, Donna Basingwaith, Carmen. Oh, boy. Carmen Marche, Marche, mitochondria. No, Marche, Marche, Andra, Marche, Andra. Hey, I think that's good.

Carl Doyle and Trace Childs. And of course, all of ourondra. Hey, I think that's good. Carl Doyle. Sounds like a child. And of course, all of our Patreon supporters. You guys really make this show work. So thank you so, so much. Thank you, everybody, for all that you do for us. You guys are the goddamn best. And this really isn't possible without you. So thank you a million times over.

Just we can't we can't thank you enough. That said, what if somebody wanted to tell you to stop fucking their wife and to quit keeping 19-year-old naked women around your trailer, Jimmy? How could they do that? Where could they find you? You can find me at WismanSucks, W-H-I-S-M-A-N, Sucks on Twitter, Instagram, and Snapchat. This truly was a fucking nearly unbearable week,

and you guys made it much more bearable, so thank you. Where can they find you? You can find me at Jimmy P is funny or just copy and paste my last name from the show description if you don't want to be

kind of crazy and having to try to do that. So very easy to do that. Follow us and all that good shit and we're excited to talk to you. But that said,

it's been a wild week and it's over till next week. We need a couple days off of this whole thing so thank you guys for everything you've done we will definitely see you next week and until next week everybody it's been our pleasure Hey, Prime members, you can listen to Small Town Murder early and ad-free on Amazon Music. Download the Amazon Music app today. Or you can listen early and ad-free with Wondery Plus and Apple Podcasts.

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