Small Town Murder - #127 - Menage a Nope in St Johnsbury, Vermont

Episode Date: July 11, 2019

This week, in St. Johnsbury, Vermont, a woman disappears, while her truck is found, with the engine running, and her perfectly safe, 2 year old son inside. As police try to solve the mystery of where she could be, many questions arise... Mostly, does this have anything to do with a sexually adventurous married couple she knows? He ex? An unknown enemy? Michael Jordan? Oddly enough, all of these options need to be explored, and it turns out even weirder than expected! Buckle up! Along the way, we find out that gravity apparently has something to do with sugar, that you don't have to marry everyone you meet on the internet, and that Michael Jordan may, in fact, be a cold blooded murderer!!Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman New episodes every Thursday! Donate at: patreon.com/crimeinsports or go to paypal.com & use our email: [e-mail] Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder & Crime In Sports! Follow us on... twitter.com/@murdersmall facebook.com/smalltownpod instagram.com/smalltownmurder Also, check out James & Jimmie's other show, Crime In Sports! On iTunes, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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it so uh we do we make jokes about small towns about murderers maybe a police force completely bumbles something and lets a murderer walk free we're going to make fun of that sort of thing well we don't make fun of and we try and go out of our way not to do is we try not to make fun of the victims or the victims' families because we're assholes, but we're not scumbags. So that's how we work it. And everything else is in good fun, and we have a blast, and a lot of this shit deserves to be made fun of. There's a lot of stuff around a murder that you wouldn't expect where you're like, wow,

that's a whole lot of crazy. Why is that happening? Yeah, usually there's crazy that leads to murder. That's why murder happens. That's why murder's so crazy. There's all sorts of stuff going on that's super weird and abnormal.

So we like to kind of hit the points of that. If that sounds good to you, then awesome. We're in the car on the way to the liquor store. Hell yeah. We're going to rob

that liquor store, everybody. And it's, you know, if somebody should slip and pull the trigger and the small woman behind the counter's brain should end up all over the marlboros and the cheap plastic vodka bottles behind the counter and you are just as responsible as we are you sure that's the law yeah you agreed to it so it goes that's good so no complaining afterwards so that that sounds good to you awesome if you think true crime and comedy should never go together and they just don't work and you don't want to ever hear a joke around any form of murder then this isn't for you you should go somewhere and listen to dateline yeah it's a good one tell

you very solemnly about how this person was dismembered that's great if that's what you like that's good but we try to make it a little bit lighter right through the candlestick we're gonna go a little lighter and i'm gonna make it a little more lighter. Raped with a candlestick. Yeah, we're going to go a little lighter and I'm going to make it a little more fun and a little more palatable. And if you want that, then you better stand up on your desk. Yeah. Above your cubicle. Go in the bathroom.

Shout it into your arm if you're in a conservative office. Out of your car window. All over your house if you're clean. Whatever you're doing, scream shut up and give me murder. Let's do this. All right. Let's go on a trip, Jimmy. Let's do it. What do you say? Yeah. All right. This week, we were down south last week. Yeah. Let's do this. All right. Let's go on a trip, Jimmy. Let's do it.

What do you say? Yeah. All right. This week, we were down south last week. Yeah. Hot and sticky Louisiana. Always. South of New Orleans we were.

So it was down there. Now we're going to go up again about as far as you can go north again here. We're going to go to Vermont. Oh. So we're going to head up in that direction in the northeast. Is it up there? Yeah. It's up next to New York, between New York and New Hampshire.

Oh. Wedged in there. Oh, okay. Got it. Wedged in the middle there, just below Canada. Yeah. So we're going to St. Johnsbury, Vermont. St. Johnsbury.

That's a lot. I have a feeling there's syrup here. Yeah. We're going to have more syrup. That's a lot of words for a small town. Yeah, St. Johnsbury, Vermont. It's in northeastern Vermont. Basically, the way Vermont works, it's kind of like an upside-down shoe, kind of.

So it's sort of, it's in the northeast. We're going to call it a panhandle. You could hold it by this, the state. This would be like, if the state was a gun, this would be the handle. So it's more like a gun handle. Is that how it's shaped? I'm trying to picture Vermont. Yeah, it's fatter toward the top, and it gets kind of straight.

Okay, so it's like upside-down New Hampshire. kind of gets kind of straight okay so it's like it's like upside down new hampshire kind of yeah they're they're puzzle pieces together exactly that's exactly how it is here so uh we're going to call it a panhandle because that's appropriate for the behavior in the story it's whether it's a panhandle or not it is put it that way it's two hours and 45 minutes to boston about three hours to albany New York, if you for some reason wanted to make a parallel move to another awful place. And about an hour and a half to Essex, Vermont, which is our last Vermont episode, episode 83, which was August of 2018. How about that? Almost a damn year ago.

Yeah. So we're back in Vermont. It's in Caledonia County, which is a very, that's quite the name. That's a very royal sounding name. Sounds lovely. It's a very old school there caledonia caledonia caledonia caledonia county yeah it's very nice zip code 05819 area code 802 37 square miles because it's a it's rural it's it's a vermont is not made up of big cities at all there's like burlington and there's a couple things but it's a lot of small

towns that's how they keep it there's like there's a lot of towns have laws that keep like chains really chain stores out of the towns and shit like that yeah they really want to keep that vermont hometown feel small town type feel i don't know how much how well it's working now but uh it's that they really go for that there because it's it's it's like super troopers up there it's a weird place we discussed it on the, because it's like Super Troopers up there. It's a weird place. We discussed it on the last episode. It's a very strange, odd, interesting, and beautiful fucking place.

It's area code 802, like I said, 37 square miles. The motto here, and I don't even need to make up one, because this is their motto, and it's my motto together. It's, quote, very Vermont. Perfect. I would say yes. It's as Vermont as it gets. I like that they found a v word a little weird and quaint at the same time so yeah oh yeah very vermont they're gonna go with that but that's hey what if we would and you know they had long sentences yeah long ones and they're like what if we like describe this

and that and someone's like no no no short simple to the point. Succinct. Yeah. Very Vermont. Done. Light bulb. Done. So, I'll take care of it. It's even the root word of Vermont. Let's just run it. Yeah, this is beautiful, man. We can do this. History of this place here. The town was originally granted, apparently, in 1760 as part of the New Hampshire grants,

and it was named Bessborough at that point. It was re-granted by vermont for some reason i don't know what's all these grants and re-grants in 1786 as dunmore so now it's had two different names in 25 years yeah and uh best burry and dunmore best best borough and dunmore and then that's 1786 is when people kind of started coming here that's when they said it was settled i guess an early settler was a guy named jonathan arnold and he was a member of the continental congress and he was the author of rhode island's act of secession from great britain really from the uk yeah in 1776 well of rhode island yeah they all had to have their own

separate little new hampshire rhode island uh yeah he he left Rhode Island in 1787 and him and six other his family and six other families built homes in what's now the center of St. Johnsbury and kind of made a town there by 1790 they had 143 people how about that so to go from six families to 143 people in four years I mean back then he had a lot of kids so that could have been seven that could have been eight seven But then, of course, there would have been half of those because they would have died of very simple diseases also at that point. So, you know, populations fluctuated like that back then. Jesus Christ. Died of diarrhea. Just anything.

Yeah, up there, he shit himself to death. It's over. Fuck. Too many of those wild berries. God damn it, man. One little thing happens. You're screwed. They were hunter-gatherers. That's of those wild berries. God damn it, man. One little thing happens. There's just, you're screwed. They were hunter-gatherers.

That's how it worked here. So the first town meeting took place that year in Arnold's home, Jonathan Arnold's home. This is where the name, this is where they adopted the name. They're like, we got to give this place a name that we picked here. Let's find something here. Now, according to lore here, the founder of Vermont, Ethan Allen, which we've talked about before, the furniture man, he proposed naming the town St. John

in honor of his friend, Jean de Crevac... What the fuck's a French name? I am not even... Crevacure. I don't know who that is. He's an author, and I don't know old French authors.

And his name is Jean? Yeah, I don't know, like, 17th century 18th century you either authors that well i'm not i didn't go to college i don't know any of that shit that's the one category on jeopardy that i just stare at the tv when it's french literature you're like oh shit 17th century french literature 18th century as it would be at this point so yeah now i don't think i'm picking that one let's go with potpourri is there sports on there i know stuff about movies is that on there and then they'll have sports it'll be like a soccer question it's the one fucking thing i would have known i watched so much basketball is it pele is that the answer i don't know otherwise i don't know 1940s cricket what the answer? I don't know. Otherwise, I don't know.

1940s cricket? What the fuck? God damn it. We should know that, too. Well, this guy was actually also an author and an agriculturist, and he was a friend of Benjamin Franklin's. He was one of his buddies here. He was known in the U.S. as J. Hector St. John. So they just changed his name to make it a little more digestible.

Back then, people weren't going to pronounce Krakow. No. Who are you? So people couldn't read. Never mind giving him a crazy name like that. So they suggested the St. Johnsbury to differentiate it from St. John in New Brunswick. That's how this kind of got its deal here. differentiate it from st john in new brunswick that's how this kind of got its deal here uh they gave in 1916 a guy named fb sanborn gave a talk to the old planters society of salem yeah called

hector st john an old evasive planter and talked like basically talked a bunch of shit about like it was really weird he talked about ethan allen and then a bunch of shit about hector saint john it was a straight a strange address that they brought plant and shit yeah he's a fucking asshole this guy you should see him play not even a straight line now he's back and forth like a drunk zigzagging you know the french with their wine he's making drinky drinky gestures with his hand. You know how it goes. How do you do that? What do you call him? Something, what kind of planter? Evasive.

What the fuck does that even mean? An old evasive planter. Wow. What did St. John do to him? That was like a smack across the face with a glove back then. An old evasive planter, sir. Sir, how dare you. I challenge you to a duel.

But in French, it's sir. Hold on one sec. I want to finish it. Okay. Would you like to do? Never mind. I don't know what. I'm too drunk.

I'm being very evasive. I'm being very. See, I say we fight. Then I go, no, I don't want to. Why? Evasive. I go plant now. And then he goes.

Old evasive planter. Old evasive planter. And he shit face plant. It doesn't work here. So by the 1800s, mid 1800s, St. Johnsbury was they started having some manufacturing there. They produced scales like to weigh your stuff on. I don't know.

The platform scale was invented there. Oh, 1830. Like to weigh livestock. I guess I could just stand. Yeah. Big one here. And also they produced maple syrup related. form scale was invented there in 1830 like to weigh livestock i guess like it's a standout yeah big one here and also they produced maple syrup related you betcha maple syrup and maple syrup related products that's like i was just gonna say it's propane and propane related products that's pretty much what it is here they they had the railroad line went through here in the 1850s. It was going from Boston to Montreal, and that's when the town kind of started growing there and became the county seat.

Oh, my God. They kept all keeping all the replacing Danville. We know it. They're holding a grudge to this day. The Danville. They're just plotting their revenge. Still, they're going to take those records back one of these days. Motherfuckers.

Jesus Christ. Fuck, man. Ridiculous. still they're gonna take those records back one of these days motherfuckers jesus christ uh fuck man ridiculous so uh george c carry founded the carry maple syrup or maple sugar company in 1904 he was successful in promoting the use of maple syrup for flavoring plug tobacco and as a moisturizing and non-fermenting flavoring agent in cigarettes. Okay, so you got maple cigarettes? These are maple sugar cigarettes. Ew. He's like, can we put sugar in the cigarettes? Is that possible? You can just smoke my sugar.

That'll be fine. That is bananas. Maybe that's why those people from England that came to one of our shows asked us why everything is so sweet here. Why does everything have so much sugar in it? They were smoking and they said, I know it sounds crazy, but said, even the cigarettes

seem very sweet. And I was just like, I don't know. Don't look at me. They said, we're all enormous here. That's why. We're just big, fat fucks. So they talked about going to get a drink and they wanted a soda. And the only options were enormous.

The smallest one was 22 ounces. And they were like, that's too big. That's a large. They didn't want that. They ended up sharing that but they were sure they took pictures yeah with like the big gulps to stay like to send home like look how silly there's soda comes in this fucking holy shit this is crazy it's for your whole family people just take it as an individual unit they took a picture of it and then a big fat fuck walked behind the family was like yeah yeah

fuck that soda what just walked behind you the guy drinks his soda he's getting a soda so uh this mr carry here george carry built a large plant on portland street uh for it was known as maple grove farms of vermont and the company operates a museum and a sugar house on the site now. And St. Johnsbury at the time became known as the, quote, maple center of the world. Yeah. So any maple shit you were into, you can thank St. Johnsbury for it. The first air flight ever in Vermont occurred at the fair in St. Johnsbury,

April 19, 1910. Not bad here. In the 1940s, they had a lot of industries. A bunch of them here. One was the scales, obviously, like we talked about. You make Fairbank scales. You're making some scales.

And Maple Sugar Candy Company and also a third made candle pins for bowling. I assume that's bowling pins. Oh, got it. Yeah. So where does weird stuff come from? This town. Yeah. Where do they make bowling pins? Seems like bowling pins oh got it yeah yeah so where does weird stuff come from this town yeah where do they make bowling pins seems like bowling pins you'd have to like find them in the forest like who would make those those seem like you only got to make it once and it lasts for thousands of

years you make it once you send them all out and you go we hope some new bowling alleys open up soon pray to christ they get really big bowling balls and just destroy those shits. They're all purling those balls down there because this is, whoo, boy, shit. And the rest of it was like rural farming and shit like that, mainly. I found a resident review of this town, which is my favorite also. There's a lot of reviews of this town, actually. Some of them were glowing and some of them were mediocre, and then some of them were this one, which is my favorite here.

It's a quote. The town is full of empty stores. Major drug problem. The elementary school is a nightmare because it has a serious bully problem. They are unable to control. These eight year olds are fucking running amok. The kids are really mean. It's how do you put that in a town review?

Who can help that? what town are they not the mayor's like what do you want me to do about that the kids are mean what the fuck can i i can't help that you know what i mean do you remember being young sir how how many times have you made fun of when you were a kid that's like that's just what kids do that too well it's like going to a restaurant giving it two stars and being like i would have enjoyed the meal more if it wasn't so cloudy outside that's not their fucking fault they can't help that what are you reviewing them on the weather for you know the meal was fine but that building next door looks like i didn't like it super weird uh then it says the last line really sums it up here quote it's pretty much just a reform town for people who just get out of prison.

Okay. One star. Clearly. Five stars. What a weird review. The elementary school, all it's about, the kids are really mean. They're just vicious. I feel like either this person has a kid who's been bullied or this adult gets bullied by kids and the kids are really mean.

Jogs by the school every day and they just sit out there and make fun of them groups of kids just a fucking harangue adults as they fucking walk through the chain link fence and just it's a nightmare yeah it's just like oh all the adults avoid the elementary school don't go near it those kids are really mean screaming i fucked your wife hey what's that i can see your balls through your shorts they look awfully small sir hey will you leave a little earlier in the morning because i gotta get to school and uh you know when i gotta come fuck your wife you know you know the joke never mind you just keep jogging i fucked your wife is what i'm getting at and i'm eight so that's that's enough it doesn't have to be clever that's it done the kids are really mean i've never seen a town where they review the attitude of the children in it before amazing

i've seen in all our towns i've seen a lot of reviews of towns never have i seen it i've seen like the schools are good or the schools are bad never have i seen the the demeanor of the children reviewed in a fucking town why does an adult know the the the behavior of the children so we like i said either it's got to be one or the other one or the other why are you hanging with kids sir oh my god jesus christ you're not supposed to be there, mister. What's happening? Why are you there? So, 1900, this town had a population of 7,000 people. And today it has 7,375 people. Got it.

It kind of went up. Its peak was about 1930. That was its peak, 9,600 people. Nobody else could make scales. That was it, man. This fucking scale demand is off the charts. I don't know what is happening. But that was during the Depression.

I don't know if there was probably just work there. If there was one plant open, people would go somewhere for work in the 30s. And then after that, it's just steadily declining a little bit every 10 years. About 5% every 10 years kind of trickles away from this place, as a lot of small towns seem to here. So, yeah, 7,375 people. It's about 52 more males than females. There's some outdoor jobs here in the syruping industry that seem more attractive to guys, apparently. Median age here is 44.9.

So a little bit old, and it's voted the number 25 best city in Vermont to retire to. Really? So, yeah, there's a lot of old people here, basically, is what I'm getting at. Wait, number 25 city? In Vermont. In Vermont? To retire to. Out of 47 or some shit.

They rated 40. I don't know if that's all the cities they have or if they just picked 47 where civilization happened or whatever. Don't look at me. I don't know. So there's more males than females, which is odd in an older population anyway. So the married is a little low, actually. For more males, though, it's always a lower married rate.

So 2%—I'm sorry, the widow rate, though, is about double what it normally is. So the old people are in strong force. Divorce rate's a little bit high, higher than normal. So I don't know what is happening. Old people who aren't married and getting divorced, and it's a very strange, strange deal. They're either dying or getting divorced. Certainly interesting.

More of both. Race of this town, it's Vermont, people, so don't expect a lot of diversity here. 94% white is what you're going to get. 0.8% black. Yeah. So not a lot of black people here at all 1.3 asian and uh 1.8 hispanic so it's just fucking white yeah let's just say that uh religion here this is good only 33 religious yeah that's from it's not a lot of uh religion the biggest

religion here is not surprisingly it's catholic. Because Catholics are the Baptists of the North. That is true. Obviously, that's always going to be the largest group. And 3% Baptist here as well. I don't know where they came from, but... Sneaking in. Vermont Baptists. It's just a very...

It's bizarre. It's very bizarre. It's a weird couple of words together. It's so laid back. And to go to Fire and Brimstone and then go back out into syrup country is just a... Yeah, every town's got pissed off people. Oh, yeah, that's true. That is true.

Usually not in that way up there. So voting here, it's Vermont, 46% Democrat, 39% Republican in the last presidential election. 15% voted third party in the last election. So Vermont was one of those. And the Bernie. Yeah. We've had well that's the other thing too that'd be uh the uh right ends and also jill stein they went green

party a lot last time and shit like that so uh there's a lot far there's a lot more left up there and uh we somebody complained because we because we said at one point there was a town it was a southern town yep that was rural right and like 97% white. So I said, you know, obviously that was they voted more Republican. And they were like, you know, you really shouldn't try to, you know, you're separating your audience. And I'm like, that's not a that's not what we're saying. It's just factual. We just you find me that find me a southern rural town that's majority white or not majority 97% white that doesn't vote more Republican. It's I'm just it's just statistical.

I didn't say i said phoenix is hot in the summer i don't understand what you want from me like it wasn't an opinion it wasn't a judgment it was just a just red numbers just red numbers off it's a this is odd though because vermont is one of those places where you're going to get rural places that are 90 something percent white that vote heavily the other way that is interesting it's a different thing up there uh about average unemployment nothing crazy median household income though which is normally about 57 grand in the rest of the country it's only about 40 000 here which is tough uh there's this is kind of a town of haves and have-nots there's people

living on the fringes and kind of scraping by kind of like the the what we talked about in minnesota the white earth episode oh yeah there's people that are like trying to you know that are leeching and and and just trying to pull some syrup out of a couple of trees just to make us a subsistence living and uh that's kind of how this goes and then there's people here that are very wealthy kind of kind of a little of both here cost of living overall 100 being par you know regular even uh here it is 88 the cost of living and the housing isn't bad actually the food prices are actually really high up there i don't know if that's because of shipping to get it up there because it's rural i'm not sure no it's not too far from boston you said three hours three hours it It's three hours. It's not that bad, but I'm not sure. But yeah, the groceries are way high here.

But median home cost is only $141,500. That's great. Which is very reasonable. Average price in the U.S. is $219,000. So that's terrific. Not bad at all. It's a quiet, kind of a quaint little town. And if we've convinced you, you need to be here.

We have for you the St.sbury vermont real estate report your average rental here is about 750 bucks which is way too yeah it's cheap 500 cheaper than the national average not too shabby at all found a couple of very different houses here i found a three bedroom one bath 1472 square. Found a couple of very different houses here. I found a three bedroom, one bath, 1,472 square feet. Needs a lot of work on the inside. It needs to be totally redone on the inside. But for a good starter family home, good house, 93,500 bucks. So a little room to go there. Then this is different here.

I found a log cabin. Oh, God. And it's like a syruping cabin we'll talk about this it's one bedroom one bath 675 square foot actual fucking cabin back in the woods here don't and here's the quote from zillow don't miss this beautiful log-sided camp located on a private wooded lot on the outskirts of town this property has a sugar house conveniently situated downhill on a large stand of maple, allowing for gravity-fed sugaring. What?

So, $99,500. This seems like a deal. I'm going to do some gravity-fed sugaring. Even if you're just living there and not doing it? Sure. You're just staying there? There's my sugar shed. You got a $100,000 joint.

That's great. And then I found you want to stretch out. Three-bedroom, four-bath, 3,900 square foot. Very nice. Yes. Up-to to date and everything 359,500 bucks there you go not bad that last one that's more of a you know kind of in a neighborhood type of thing where the other two are kind of out on their own that cabin though that's goddamn

intriguing i feel like that's the deal of the of the century that's the one that seems yeah yeah if you're on the outskirts of town you're getting in and out of town yeah you can that sounds amazing i want to go there and write you're on the outskirts of town and you're getting in and out of town. Yeah, you can go. That sounds amazing. I want to go there and write. You're quiet? Yeah. You got your life? Nobody can bother me.

That sounds good. So good. I know cell phone service. That sounds wonderful. Yeah, well, probably. Yeah, who knows now. You're going to need Wi-Fi. You're going to need Wi-Fi.

I got to have that. Anyway, things to do here. This is awesome. Things to do. I love when I find these. Things to do here. The Pet Parade. Yes.

Is their big one. They have a Fourth of July and and a halloween parade though are there weirdos bringing fucking strange pets oh oh i'm sure you know they are sure he's got a fucking iguana out there on a leash oh yeah you're gonna have that and people with parrots and saying weird shit and you're gonna have all sorts of weird people giant turtles under their arms yeah somebody with a snake around their fucking oh you know that guy's coming you know that guy's coming. By their arm. You know Snake Guy's coming.

Yeah, he's reaching his hand out to shake your hand. He's got a ball python wrapped around his forearm. You're like, really, dude? Are you fucking? Chicks like snakes. Really, man? Go the fuck home. You can see it.

Them little women, they like being afraid. Who invited this guy? They see my snake and they're like, mm-hmm. Not you again. Oh, not Snake Guy. So the pet parade is ages zero and up, mm-hmm. Not you again. Oh, not snake guy. So the pet parade is ages zero and up. Uh-huh.

So they won't exclude your baby from the pet parade, apparently. It's free. Yeah. They have parking there, which is excellent. They said anyone is welcome.

Yeah. Anyone. Even stuffed pets are okay. Now you're talking. Even bring your goddamn stuffed animal and walk around. Yeah.

You may pre-register in the children's room at some theater thing in the morning of the parade or at the Father Lively Center on Summer Street. Registration begins at 1030. Ten prizes will be awarded in different categories. There will be free drinks, ice cream, and balloons for all. Everyone. Balloons for all. Everyone gets one.

Zero it up. You're getting a fucking balloon. Even your stuffed pet's getting one. Take it down. So, crime rate in this town. all everyone balloons for all everyone gets one zero it up you're getting a fucking balloon even your stuffed pets getting one take it down so uh crime rate in this town what we're interested in the meat of this whole endeavor here uh crime rate property crime is pretty low here it's about 25 under the average and uh you know very kind of a safe town like that uh violent crime and murder rape robbery and assault the amount rushmore of crime is just above half of the national average how about that it's a very safe very rural it's

what you'd think of when you think of vermont okay it's kind of woodsy and you know that sort of shit pretty safe and kind of boring and bland yeah and that sort of deal here now i did a little extra research i found some stats on crime on crime stuff too and uh apparently as of july of 2019 there are 30 registered sex offenders living in saint johnsbury making the ratio of saint johnsbury residents to sex offenders 205 to 1 that's high that's right as fuck out of every 205 people watch the fuck out one of these people is going to diddle your your unruly child or already has yeah oh you know what though maybe he's just mad at those kids maybe that's it maybe he's maybe he has nothing to do with sexuality and he's their sexualness at all he's just like those fucking

kids are rude they're just fucking rude and they deserve it i'm sorry i said it that's right yeah that's right ted that's right have you fucking talked to these kids you can. They're just fucking rude and they deserve it. I'm sorry. I said it. That's right. Yeah, that's right, Ted. That's right. Have you fucking talked to these kids? You can't jog by the fucking school. I don't give a shit what happens. They're so mean. They're so mean. They're like, did you write that review, Ted? Not me. Not me. So let's talk about a murder.

Okay. What do you say? It's time here. It's time to get some murder chat going. Yeah. And this is a man. Is this a say? It's time here. It's time to get some murder chat going. Yeah. And this is a, man, is this a weird, it's a Vermont kind of murder. It's a weird, just a strange, strange tale of some weird people. It just gets stranger and stranger. Who gets hit with an ego?

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Follow Morbid on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to episodes early and ad-free by joining Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts. Go back to November, I'm sorry, March 25th,th 2012 so not too far back in time we're not going to go back into the maple archives too far of the county records of this town uh but 2012 there's a man looking for his friend as a woman named melissa jenkins he's looking for at this moment she's a 32 year old woman uh she's a single mother of a young son toddler son and uh she works at a pretty prestigious boarding school called the saint johnsbury academy it's uh calvin coolidge went there no kidding yeah who was a president president i know that in the 20s so he looks so i was so proud right now. The look of joy on Jimmy's face lit the fuck up like he knew a Jeopardy answer.

Like the Jeopardy answer was. I know who that fucking guy is. Calvin Coolidge served this office and he said. Fucking. What is the president? I know it. Fuck. He picked the category of the United united states this guy picked the category i would

have picked sports but he picked the politics i said all right fuck it man and then i knew it i really sorry about your cancer alex i will take sports for 100 and uh yeah let's grow your mustache back it'll it helps it'll make us all Let's grow your mustache back. It helps. It'll make us all feel more comfortable. Your mustache hides the cancer. As you wither away to nothing, it'll make us feel better about ourselves. We need you with the mustache. Because we can't see you fall because it's just not okay.

It's not. It's not okay. It's not. No. It's like watching a building crumble. It's like watching the Notre Dame Cathedral burn. You're like, oh, you can't make another one of those. That's fucked up.

It's the same thing with Alex Trebek. That's how I feel. No, no, there's no more of him. No, we need him. And he wants to work until it's over? Fix him up. Put him back on the shelf. Stop that, Alex.

No, don't do this to me. Because they're going to prop some other fuck in there, and it's not going to be Alex. I hope they don't try to make him pass the going to prop some other fuck in there and it's not going to be how they're going to make. I hope they don't try to make him pass the torch to somebody. And the greatest part about Alex Trebek is when he rubs it in their face that they don't know the answer. And there's no way he would have known the answer. It wasn't written on that fucking card. It's the most polite Canadian dismissal, too.

That's the thing. Too bad. He's just so. I don't know. Better luck next time. Nope. I wonder if in the beginning he was like, started to feel really big. Oh, you're okay.

Like tried to pump him back up again. And now he's just like, I don't know, chief. Sorry. What do you think there, Susan? How about you? You're up next. Susan, James, either you got an answer because this guy's a fucking idiot. Sorry.

I don't know about fucking ringy ringy over here. Needs to keep his trigger finger his trigger finger maybe don't hit that buzzer unless you know the fucking answer you moron you just hit buzzers before you know shit is that it you go i'll think of it by the time it gets to me from the time that's what they need from the time the buzzer rings to the time i call your name you think at that that's when your brain is going to figure the whole thing out you're gonna snap to to right now either you know it or you don't sorry you fucking idiot you jackass you know french composer's name just by me saying james yeah james no you weren't gonna get it no it did you you weren't gonna get old hector saint john or whatever the fuck his

name was you didn't know it you didn't know he was an evasive planner did you did you watch that'll come up with some trivia question you'll be like what did this person call this guy you're like the evasive planner and everyone's like how the fuck did you know that everyone around you is going to be astonished by it you're going to be like who the fuck doesn't know it's kind of common knowledge dude and walk away just be like be like wow jimmy's the smartest person i've ever met in my life how the fuck did he know that wow he's good so our friendship has really afforded me a lot of information that i would have never had any chance of knowing gershwin are you out of your fucking mind as if as if as if i'd ever pull that guy's name out of my asshole ever jimmy had no idea

who gershwin was at one point the composer and now i do i was just like i don't know jimmy from here i'm all fucking who you seriously do i look like i know you're fucking ever oh boy poor gershwin all right so back to melissa jenkins uh 32 years old teaches at the saint johnsbury academy she teaches science and uh she also from what i hear is one of the basketball coaches on one of the basketball teams she helps with the basketball team also and also she's a single mom so she's also a part-time waitress at a restaurant in danville called the creamery when the fuck does she sleep also too yeah i'm sorry but you're shitty fucking private school twat bag little kids you they can't fucking it's not even the kid's fault but they're paying all

this fucking tuition and you can't pay your teachers enough to where they don't have to work at a fucking restaurant at night that's a great point it's a private school where these people are paying tuition to pay your goddamn teacher so they don't have to work at a fucking restaurant at night that's a great point it's a private school where these people are paying tuition to pay your goddamn teacher so they don't have to work at a restaurant and she's doing two jobs at this school yeah that's what i mean she's doing multiple things and you know she's making ends meet she's she's working it out here jesus uh so uh uh she is missing on march 25th 2012 a friend of hers uh goes looking for her based on something we'll talk about in a moment here and ends up finding her parked uh suv on the side of a rural road in vermont which is they found the suv which is good but she's not in it which is not good when you're

missing any parts maybe she's working on it did she strip it down yeah is it just uh is it like up on jacks no uh nothing like that but inside it is her two-year-old son oh that's not good that's not good alive and well yeah sleep asleep you know carol not a care in the world maybe he took it for a ride i think he took it out for a joy ride and then he's like i'm gonna jump in the car seat and take a little nap because this is getting this is exhausting you drive through the rural areas like this i just get tired yeah i just get sleepy so i pull over you know you pull over take the keys out so no one thinks i'm driving still because i'm tired i don't know what was in that bottle i don't want to get a dui i don't want to get a dui you know that goes put them in the trunk these keys i don't want to have them with me so uh yeah two-year-old son inside the suv asleep

so her friend obviously calls the police to say my friend's car is abandoned on the side of a rural road and oh yeah her goddamn toddler's inside alone this is not normal behavior for a responsible woman like this who's extremely responsible and respected and uh by everybody's account a great mother and a wonderful person so unbelievably hard worker she's a super hard worker, and everybody respects her. Her students love her. She's a great teacher. Everybody likes her.

No one has a bad word to say about Melissa Jenkins here at all. Now, her son is asleep when the police get there. They just leave him asleep. The SUV was idling still, so it was on. It's running. Yeah, it was on. It's March in Vermont, so it's probably cold out. So I would assume it's on for the heat it's march in vermont so it's probably cold out sure so i would

assume it's on for the heat for the child i would imagine which is a that's something to look at as a as a piece of the puzzle yeah somebody's clearly got good intentions about this child at the moment someone didn't want this child to get hurt or something like that now they wake the toddler up and they start because they have no idea so the the only place they can start with is, I guess we'll ask him. Maybe he knows. Yeah. I mean, you don't know these two. You don't know if he's going to come up with.

How much English do you speak? That's the first thing. And second, how much do you know and how much is that? Did you just dream? Right. And how much of that involves Teddy Grahams? And how much of that can you even communicate? That's the other thing.

involves teddy grams and how much of that can you even communicate that's the other thing so well he actually communicates quite well astonishing astonishingly well and and knows more than you'd imagine he does really it's pretty fucking impressive uh but we'll talk about it the information is not very useful okay uh he yeah it's not where's mommy there are teddy bears on my diaper well no he was on task yeah he just his information is hard to follow up on as we'll give it a chance uh he tells police that he saw a boy with his mom in the car and michael jordan so um what a boy and michael jordan is that for real we're in the car with his mother in 2012 that's what the boy said he knows who michael jordan is at two years old well the commercials are on all the time that's right yeah he's like the guy from the haynes commercial that guy that guy is real

concerned about what fucking underwear i'm wearing with the hitler mustache him yeah that one you mean the best what the who was what about his underwear no no the he really cares about nazi guy yeah you know who gives way too much of a fuck how many tags i have on my shirt he really cares way too much about my way too many fucks about the tag it's just too many too many sorry that guy you know him he was in the car uh so he claims a boy and michael jordan were in the car with his mother so that's a difficult tip for police to follow up on maybe he's a big fan of the wire oh he was that's what he was like and they're like you mean wallace and he's like where's wallace where's wallace string where wallace at so i never okay so uh yeah michael

jordan though is a tough one to follow up on and a boy is very vague this is the thing i get yeah a boy is as vague as can be and michael jordan is as specific as you can be that's what i mean how does he do that it's both ends of the spectrum it's so flake was the boy some boy no no no no Except for people. Some boy, I don't fucking know. He's not on TV. He doesn't give a shit about anybody's underwear. Only the guy with the Hitler mask. A boy who gives the exact same amount of fucks required about the tags, and then a man who

gives way too many fucks. Right down the middle, they're eating each other out. Jordan, though, he took off when I told him I still wore a diaper and I couldn't buy any Hanes. He's like, well, if I can't sell you Hanes, I don't need to be here. So, yeah, hard to follow up on this, though. We're looking for Michael Jordan with a boy, possibly. They don't really take it too seriously.

They say the documents here say at one point the child said that his mommy cried and he pulled on the back of his neck when he did that. Like, he was, like, you his neck when he did that like he was like you know nervously doing that kind of shit but the he she cried because of a boy and michael jordan is all that we can get out of this uh which is very interesting uh so let's talk about some other people here uh that may or may not intersect with this story let's talk about a couple well we'll start out with alan let's talk about alan prue as his name p-r-u-e alan prue uh alan is oh man he's just not never really found his way in the world let's say

uh he's i don't want to say he's slow but he's not real bright he's not a very bright guy you know scientifically he's just not very bright. And he is hard to explain here. He's just he dropped out in the ninth grade. That should express it. Yeah. He just dropped out in the ninth grade. And by the time he's in his early 30s in 2012, he delivers newspapers and plows driveways for a living. Delivering the newspaper in 2012 like a 12 year old

like that those are jobs that people have when they're 12 in 1963 right like i'll deliver your newspaper then if it snows i'll shovel your driveway for 20 bucks or a defunct comedy club owner or a defunct comedy club well that was fun that was beautiful that was very beautiful jimmy that was fun. That was beautiful. That was very beautiful. Jimmy, that was fucking... Nah, that's what I give that.

Like a good meal. That was like a good meal. Just a nah. Take it all. That was delicious. Fucking delicious. So, yes, we do. We do just absolutely bathe in the specter of a failed asshole

we do yes that's right if someone's an asshole we don't care and we don't root for them fuck them so uh yeah but that's a great word out of my ass i don't know what i'm talking about so uh yeah he's a ninth grade dropout never got his ged even never 30 years old doing this 30 years old delivering newspapers plowing driveways very 12 year olds his mother donna describes him as a quote good boy who never got into trouble you can't call a 30 year old that well when he was younger oh okay what was he like as a kid? He's a good boy. He never got into trouble. He's a good kid.

And he's, like I said, he's kind of slow. He's kind of suggestible. If you tell him, hey, you should go and not act up in school, he'll be like, I'll go and not act up in school. He's just one of those guys. He's a go-with-the-flow kind of dude. Repeats the plan. Yeah. Which way did he go?

Okay. That's the way I'll go. That's the way i'll go so uh his mother described him as a quote fixer-upper which is an odd description to give your child he's a fixer-upper uh you know you could always put an extra room on the back of him also mom that's your fault that that's your job uh you should have fixed him upper his plumbing's leaking a little bit i want to look out for that yeah you should's your job. You should have fixed him upper. His plumbing's leaking a little bit. I want to look out for that.

Yeah, you should have fixed. Your job is to make them all fixed up. By the time he leaves the house, he should be all renovated with a new backsplash. Ready to flip. Sweet countertops and real nice toilets and everything. It should be really one of those deals. His bad boy an outdoor kitchen and move it along. Let's do it, man.

So Donna here, his mother said that he was always a good member of their very close-knit family. really one of those boys an outdoor kitchen and move it along let's do it man so uh donna here his mother said that he was always a good member of their very close-knit family she says quote when his father got sick he was there to take care of him and once he passed away he promised dad that he'd always be home to watch over me fuck so yeah he's kind of a slower kid that's not you know not that real bright and dad dies when he's a child and uh yeah but he sticks with his mom and like i said his mom says that he was always a good dependable kid that she could count on to help her out and stuff like that another neighbor of theirs a woman named jessica she said that he uh he shoveled her snow and would mow her lawn uh and mow the lawn

of her elderly parents without being asked oh just would mow her lawn and mow the lawn of her elderly parents without being asked. Oh, just would mow their lawn just because they were elderly. Because it was long. And they couldn't do it themselves. And he probably didn't know where property started and ended. I'm not sure. But he didn't ask to be paid or anything like that. He would just mow their lawn just because he's a good neighbor type of deal.

She would call him when her lawnmower broke and she called him and he came by and just fixed it for her and took care of it. And it was like, there you go. You're all fixed up. She said last winter, the winter before 2012, he drove this neighbor to her home in a snowstorm because her car couldn't

make it up a slippery road. Okay. So he came out in the snowstorm in his car and when the plow and picked her up and drove her to her house. I like him. So nice guy. It's everybody from everybody, what everybody says.

But it changes at some point here. And that point is very clear when it changes. It's about 2008. He becomes kind of a different person. Okay. That is when he marries a woman named Patricia. Oh. He gets married.

So he finds himself a lady, which, you know, for this guy, any lady that he finds, good for you. Yeah. Very impressive. It's an uphill climb for this guy to find someone that's going to, you know, going to treat him well and like him and be into him. So once they got married, though, in about 2011, they meet in 2008. Once they get married in about 2011, this neighbor who said that he was such a good

guy and would help out so much said, quote, we didn't see much of him after that. So he kind of just, you know, as people get. I mean, he probably hasn't had a lot of girlfriends in his life, too. She's got him chained to the bed just to fuck him. Just to fuck him. And when we talk about her, that is a distinct possibility. Really? It might be the case.

But, yeah, now the woman he finds, Patricia, here, he meets her online. They meet online uh patricia now patricia's ex-husband said that uh they they also had met online patricia and her ex-husband he requested a restraining order on on both of them on patricia uh and the guy here yeah on uh on both of these people on patricia and alan, shortly after they got together. I don't know if she was using Alan to try to threaten him or whatever the case was.

It doesn't matter. He ended up getting a restraining order. So things got weird. He got, you know, everybody can be taken by a relationship. It just happens. You know, especially if you're not that schooled. Yeah, and also, you you guys stop with

the fuck it i get it i get it's easy i get it's convenient you you there's no there's no replacement for the actual sit down meeting or like run into somebody it's true it's true it's true the online thing is great because people it can work so many people have gotten together and do great but the level that that it doesn't work is fucking staggering well it's it's because people it can work so many people have gotten together and do great but the level that that it doesn't work is fucking staggering well it's it's because people can build up a fantasy about somebody and you can hide things about them and they don't even intentionally hide it you hide it from yourself on purpose because you want this to work and you build yeah you build this fantasy up and then if this person isn't exactly what you want them to be then it can crash down whereas that's what happens where sometimes though people meet and they actually exchange and you're right things and they're yeah that's what it is it's the

honesty yeah if people are honest it can work the dishonesty is is uh encouraged almost with online because you want to build a fantasy you want to build a so bad to be real yeah and the people who talk a lot not like tinder hookups people who actually like talk and find people like that way too like they yeah they're talking to different people trying to find that thing. Trying to find that spark. They're looking for that connection. So, yeah, it happens. Just fucking be honest.

Yeah. If you're honest with people, it's going to help. The best thing you can do is just give all your fucking skeletons. I mean, not all of them. Calm down. Not right away, first of all. No, no, no. Take your time.

Hey, how's it going? Yeah, blah, blah, blah. And then be like, let me tell you everything horrible about myself. Here's to my nine DUIs. Don't drive people away running and screaming out the door. I mean, use some common sense. Filed bankruptcy seven times. If you talk to someone ten times, then something might be happening.

Maybe you should tell them some shit. Maybe it's time to divulge a little bit. If you start talking about meeting or some shit like that. Dip your toe in the shitty pool. By the way, yeah. Test this water. See the pH of this pool. It's not great.

I'll tell you a terrible secret if you tell me a terrible secret. And then judge their terrible secret and give them one that's evil. Don't fucking trump it. Don't trump it. Don't blow it out of the water. You don't want to go over the top on this type of thing. That's not the smart way. Ah, shit, you're not even that bad.

Listen to how horrible I am. How many guys? Please. Hold on a second. Wait. Hold on. No, I got to pull these pictures up from my phone. It's disgusting.

You should see me. I look like a fucking ice cream cone. It's disgusting. Holy shit. Totally gross. I know it was in college. I don't know. I got crazy.

What do you want? What do you want from me? That's not okay. Calm down on that one. So, yeah, they met. It's odd. Another guy that she met online, a guy named Jeffrey Witkoff, he's out in Colorado. He said that he had been talking to her for a while as Patricia online, and she once called him repeatedly like over and over and over

and over and over and over and over again uh over the course of a day like saw you know 50 missed calls on his caller id and was like holy shit got home called her back and when he called her back she was like what do you want why are you calling me and he was like are you shitting me you called me fucking 10 dozen times what are you talking. So people, she's got a reputation as being a little bit loopy would be the best way to put it. No, not even overbearing. A little bit on the crazy side. Unstable. Unstable.

And yeah, like clinically, mentally has some issues. And she does. She's got, you know, she she goes she at a certain point seeks help seeks help for depression which is fine she's got an anxiety disorder uh which again that's fine that doesn't mean she's crazy either of those things obviously she also has diabetes which also has nothing to do with her sanity but uh she's crazy also in addition to those things she just her actions are a little out there so yeah, yeah, they meet through, you know, online, Patricia and Alan. And they start.

I guess Alan started an account for this one. I don't know which service it was, but in the summer of 2008. And they connect. And I guess Alan picks Patricia up from her home in Long Island. He drives from Vermont to Long Island in New York for what was supposed to be a two-week visit, which is a long visit to me. That's a long first visit. That's a big one.

What if you don't like her? Oh, you're stuck, man. You got to sit there for 13 more days? You got to get an emergency phone call that your grandma just died at that point.

Can I change my flight if my grandma's dead? I can get the fuck out of Long Island. Luckily, at least he had his car. He drove down there, so he could have gone back. So, yeah,

they end up, whatever, getting together. And after this two-week visit, then shit becomes serious luckily at least he had his car he drove down there so he could have gone back so yeah they they end up whatever getting together and after this two-week visit then shit becomes serious because now it's they've oh yeah they've they've bonded rather than lived together absolutely now after they marry uh first of all patricia's also bisexual we should also mention that uh because it's a major factor here oh really it's the only reason i bring it up is because it's an absolutely huge factor in this whole in this whole issue how do you mean well wait to know she's bisexual and uh and they uh they she wanted to expand their sexual horizons as well up the population of their bedroom up the population of the bedroom and bring different people in kind of she wanted

to get some swinging on and uh apparently yeah he was naive to the whole shit but he was cool with it he was like he's like my first out of the gate relationship i got this going on she wants to bring others oh yeah there she finds like women online and tries to you know gets them to hook up there's a i guess they have a camper that they'll like bring these women to and like if i'm sorry if you're some single woman and you're going to hook up with a married couple threesome and they bring you some fucking camper and syrup country and you're like cool you run yeah you're not like cool at all and you're like holy shit well fuck my next of kin will never find me here this is bad yeah that's what it is bolted to an anthill with syrup all over me this is crazy yeah so uh a friend of theirs said quote patricia had a hold

on alan from the start but alan was a little apprehensive to join into this multiple partner lifestyle but patricia sold it like he was naive to it as far as he was like oh i don't know you know he didn't have a lot of confidence in that area and shit. And she was like, no, no, no. It's great. We're bringing chicks in and we're fucking them. So she's like, you get to fuck them, too. So she told him she's like, it's not just going to be me fucking him.

And then you just said you get to fuck him, too. Guess who else? Guess who else? She would grab his cheek and squeeze it. I feel like you get to fuck him good there, Pally. If you eat all your peanut butter and jelly, you get to fuck him. You get to fuck whoever I bring home for you. That is bananas, man.

It's super weird. That's just the street. I just can't even imagine what that's like. It's going to be the oddest dynamic in the world for your wife to be like, I brought this chick home for us. No. God, no. No, thank you.

Jesus Christ, man. brought this chick home for us yeah no no god no no thank you jesus christ man so it's it's okay to be in a relationship like that do whatever you want i don't care they don't have fucking kids no you don't have kids you fuck everybody you want you go out have giant orgies you fucking everybody in front of each other make up new combinations of fucking, I don't care what you do. If you don't have kids to take care of, knock yourselves out. Crazy. But sometimes this shit doesn't work out when this type of thing happens. But yeah, they would use the internet all the time

and they would bring these women to Patricia's camper for threesomes, which like I said, is about the most frightening thing I've ever heard of. Now also, but besides that everybody said they look seem pretty normal like if you didn't know they're behind the scenes after hours they're hooking up with chicks in a camper right you wouldn't know anything different you just go oh here's a couple of you know dumpy people that plow driveways in Vermont right I don't know just

these people here so uh it was it was they were pretty conventional, is what people said. Patricia helped Alan prepare all his paperwork for his plowing business. As we'll find out later, not the best reader and writer, Alan here. Not terrific at it. He can read, but it's not great. He's not picking up great works of literature and buzzing through them. None of Hector St. John's works have been on his shelf. We'll put it that way. Sir, whatever the fuck his name was. Stctor john the fucking who knows i remember being a terrible reader when i was like in fifth grade and i found a dirty joke when you were 30 like

two weeks like fucking seven years ago eight years ago i found a dirty joke book and i was trying to read the jokes and there was a word in there and i kept reading it as and they're like fucking set up punchline jokes so these are long story jokes right and and the one word that kept tripping me up and i never i'd read the joke seven times i'm like i don't get why it's funny and it's because i kept reading it as warehouse instead of whore it's a big difference in a joke yeah it changes the joke entirely why why is it so crazy no blow jobs in a warehouse and it's a warehouse huh everyone's like what i don't know what you mean huh maybe i'm reading it wrong hold on huh did i not sell it enough yeah no no shit what's a whorehouse i was like five maybe fifth grade nine ten years old i don't know that's awesome i just didn't know that's fucking awesome man jesus christ joke not working

how did this happen so yeah they uh she helped him prepare his paperwork for his plowing business because he's got a you know plowing business and if you want that to be legit right you need some paperwork in case you destroy somebody's house you're insured and all that shit which uh his plowing business is how uh this couple ended up meeting melissa jenkins oh our teacher friend from the beginning uh they met in the winter of 2010 and she was very nice to them and he would plow their their his or her their family's driveway yeah and that's how that worked another person a person from town uh said quote she gave them attention and i don't think that's something they received from a lot of people in town

because they were kind of like like i said they were kind of outskirt kind of trashy considered trashy by the rest of the town like they were kind of considered like oh those weird trailer people just doing odd jobs doing odd jobs and he's a little slow and we all know him and you know they were just kind of looked down upon a little bit basically and another one said that uh melissa and her son were the picture of happiness and alan and patricia wanted to start a family so they also looked at her as like, oh, like her son is cute. And like they liked her and she liked them. And it was nice.

And they looked at her like, oh, man, she's a respectable person that treats us well. And, you know, all that kind of shit. So late February 2012 comes around and Patricia Pru, Alan's wife here here reports to the police concerns about unauthorized use of her credit card at this moment and she suspects she tells the police she expects that her ex-husband is involved in this and she would like them to investigate and she just wants to have a report taken for future reference in case it happens again of this unauthorized use of her credit card got it she goes to there now uh uh we fast forward to march 25th 2012 which is where we started when the suv was found with the child in it now uh melissa jenkins that day had phoned a friend of hers this is the the man who found the suv and she told this friend that a woman had called her asking her to help

someone who used to plow her driveway because her car was broken down so i got a call from this woman and she said her car's broken down and she needs help because the guy who plows my driveway is stuck over here it's a weird call to get for her but she's a nice person and she knows these people and she's she doesn't think that many people help them so she's going nice person and she knows these people and she's, she's doesn't think that many people help them. So she's going to try to help them. She told her friend that she was going to go, but she felt a little uneasy about the whole thing cause it was weird. And she just wanted to let somebody know what she was doing,

which is totally smart. That's Sarah goes places and sends me her location on her phone just to be like, okay, so I'm dead. Here you go. Or she'll send me like a screenshot of her Uber driver. Like in case I'm dead when she takes an Uber somewhere, you know this is the guy who did it so this is a grocery

store i'm in uh the same guy just walked past me going the opposite way down this aisle four times it's just a thing yeah it's it's a knife put a little peg on it put a pin in it and let us know for sure let people know where you're at here uh so uh the the melissa here said that she's going to help like we said she also though gave her friend the phone number from, uh, from Alan Prue's business card because it's his plow business. So she says, here's the card of the guy who I'm going to meet.

So you know who it is. Just basically what she did, what everybody does here. So after a little bit of time going by, that's when the friend does not hear back from her and starts to become concerned. it's like she should have been back in a half hour what's going on here so that's when he goes to look for her in the area that she said she was going and that's when he finds the suv running on the side

of the road child inside saying michael jordan has abducted his mother right so that's uh okay yeah so now we're back to michael jordan hell of a story this is crazy michael jordan's involved in it sugar people's plowers and fucking newspaper boys and bisexual threesomes it's pretty awesome story so far it's getting nuts and nobody's even dead yet nobody yeah this is nobody to really pin it all on this is this is fucking crazy i'll be honest with you i got my thoughts about that child yeah let's uh you know i got my thoughts about michael jordan right now what's he doing anyone was he here anyone who has the heartlessness to charge that much for the shoes i think is capable of murder they're capable of anything charging me 190 for shoes you're capable of anything yeah michael jordan so playing on my nostalgia you son of a bitch

you assassin don't you put out the fours right really i'm gonna put back out the original fours and i gotta look at that of course i'm gonna buy them i'm only human you bastard you heartless son of a woman abducting child leaving cocksucker. According to that child, Jimmy, it's true. Allegedly. At this point. This child is alleging some really nefarious horse shit on your behalf, Mr. Jordan. At this point, the only. It's the truth.

God damn it. It is. The only suspects are the child and michael jordan right now so you know fuck man that's what we got you're a nefarious bastard michael jordan look at you i could see it look at you we knew it the second we saw that hitler mustache we fucking knew it so uh yeah at this point when he you know finds the child in the car running and his friend not there or nowhere in sight he He calls the Vermont State Police. They come in.

They find the child and take the Michael Jordan statement. They also find a hat nearby, and they identify the phone number and the plow business to be Alan Prues. Because he says, here's the card. The friend just gives over everything to the police. This is what you told me. This is the card. I don't know. Fuck, you guys are the police i guess luckily a game warden didn't show up first or like a a fucking a syrup marshal didn't come or anything like that actual police came which is

also helpful not even like a syrup cop the grand marshal of the syrup parade he's a sticky son of a bitch sticky if he shows up first technically he's in charge of the Syrup Parade. He's a sticky son of a bitch. Sticky. If he shows up first, technically he's in charge of the crime scene. That's how it works. He takes over. Yeah.

So also, when they go to her house to maybe see if she's there and do a well check, they find Alan Pru's business card on a table in her home also. There's a lot of his business card. So, yeah, there's a lot.

But he also plows her driveway all winter and they know each they know each other and they talk to each other so it's one of those where it was like that this could be all very coincidental very heath ledger just dropping cards everywhere everywhere boom so as obviously as a result of any of this evidence the only evidence they have is we have a card of alan prue and we have michael jordan so let's follow prue first yeah he's more likely to be someone who knows something about this was more likely to be in this state probably jordan doesn't hang out in rural this is 40 miles from the canadian border right not a place where you normally find michael jordan hanging out you heard the housing prices he spends more than that on fucking wine when he goes to dinner in one of

those cabins man so yeah uh obviously the police are like let's talk to alan prue first why don't we since all these business cards are around and so uh they do they go to his home the next morning i don't know why they waited they waited until the next early morning they came at like they came at like 5 30 in the morning but they waited till the next morning. Maybe we do want to wake him up. This is a missing woman. We got to let him go to sleep so we can wake him up. Well, you know what?

He gets up early to deliver newspapers, so he's probably in bed by now. You know what? Shh. Be quiet. He goes to bed real early. Let's not disturb. We'll just come in the morning. I'm sure she'll be fine.

But, Chief, she's missing, and her child was in the morning i'm sure she'll be fine but she's chief she's missing and her child was in an idling car and he's asleep he is sleeping god damn it jesus christ have some fucking respect god damn shh shh just get in your car close it gently no sir don't turn on the just put it in neutral i'll push you christ jones you Christ Jones you hit the fucking sirens now he's awake so that's what ends up

going on here they go to talk to him the next morning when they get there Alan and Patricia are already up and about because he delivered fucking all night they've been fucking and delivering newspapers and fucking on top of them that's it they lay out the newspapers and they have their business on there and then they deliver them so yeah i would say yeah nobody wants that with the sunday news that's terrible it's all a light-hearted

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or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to Generation Y ad-free right now by joining Wondery Plus. So they get there, they're up and about and doing their shit, and the police talk to both of them, talk to Alan and Patricia about where they may have been the day before, out and uh doing their shit and uh the police talked to both of them talked to alan alan and patricia about you know where they may have been the other day of the day before and whether either

of them had had contact with melissa jenkins now with the consent of patricia police look through the house they're like do you mind if we just you know make sure she's not here yeah let's just can we look take a quick peek around looking for you for a dead woman or a live woman in danger or something. So they searched their home, the outbuildings, sugar shacks and sheds and shit like that. Maple syrup tents. I don't know. And all their motor vehicles and looking for Patricia. And they don't find Patricia at all there at all.

Or Melissa, Patricia. Patricia's in the kitchen. She's found. They don't find Melissa who's missing. So this was this was kind of the this is the first time that they're aware that the cops are looking at them and talking to them for anything. They're saying, I don't know. We don't know. We talked to her sometimes, but we haven't talked to her recently and we haven't seen her.

So this is about three o'clock in the afternoon the next day or the 26th this is the day after her suv was found the day this is the day they came and questioned them in the morning yeah that day uh so uh the uh alan and patricia they all of a sudden this is now they've been talked to at their house by the police at three o'clock in the afternoon they just show up at the Vermont State Police barracks, unannounced. Just pop in. Pop in, wanting to speak with someone further about this whole identity theft issue that they brought up a month and a half earlier. But it's super important and pertinent today, for some reason, when the cops were at your house asking if you've seen a missing woman right which is a really weird thing now

obviously you guys were taking a break yeah i didn't realize you guys were back on cases and stuff so if you're on that case can you also get on this case you know just because it's so fucking funny because people think that that they think that the police departments are complete idiots like they've never done this before that's always the thing like they'll never suspect i know they think that we took a girl maybe but they'll never suspect if we just go there to talk about the identity theft they'll think that's why we're there and then we can find out what they know like yeah they're idiots they're gonna let you mind them for information like murderers never try to insert themselves in the investigation or anything like it's the stupid they always do that or not always but it happens so it's very common yeah uh police officers they say yeah sure grab a seat we'll

talk to you would you like some water yeah and they said sure they gave them some cups of water which they then kept for dna testing afterwards brilliant you're like well yeah here's some cups of water no no just put them over there yeah we'll throw them out later whoop just put them in the dn i mean recycle bin the dna i mean, recycle bin. The DNA. I mean, you know, the one that says test later. That means like clean them up and recycle. Because you have to. It has to be clean to recycle.

See, so you know how it goes. It's goddamn liberals in Washington. Goddamn Congress. They're like, oh, OK, because they don't understand what that is. So they just nod and go, OK, we know Congress. OK. And they put them down also with uh patricia's consent they downloaded the contents of her cell phone as well uh onto a computer and uh unbeknownst to patricia and alan the they were recording this whole thing with a hidden camera and microphone just how they would interact with each other in a room and all

that type of shit. Wow. Yeah. So this all goes down to the 26th. They go home that night after this ridiculous show. They just say, yeah, we'll talk to you about the identity theft. Get their DNA. Record whatever they can. Send them on their way back home. Melissa is still, they're still looking for this Melissa. That's the other fucking problem here.

Now, this is crazy. That's the other fucking problem here. Now, this is crazy. So the next day, March 27th, the police invite Alan and Patricia back to the station to talk about that identity theft a little further. We have time now. Come on back. This was obviously actually just wanted to get them in the station so they could ask where the fuck Melissa was and if they had anything to do with with that maybe they'd put their hands on this ink pot yeah maybe you put it there and then maybe right over here keep talking keep talking have you ever heard of a truth serum maybe it's it

sounds weird but if you just put a little in your coffee it gives you a nice boost it's good i don't know if maybe you want to do it no well no they're just wiping your arm with alcohol because they saw something on there they're not going to inject you with anything. It's fine. So, Jesus Christ. So, Patricia and his wife here, they arrive around 5.30 p.m. and they separate them, which is obviously what they're going to do here. Now, Alan meets with Lieutenant Matthew Nally, who starts the interview by telling him that uh he wants more information about the theft identity case that's what they start with okay let's talk about that theft identity after about

15 minutes another detective comes in and knocks on the door and acts like they they did this on purpose they the cop said acts like he was surprised to say oh hey yeah you were here yesterday yeah the identity theft guy yeah how's it going man and uh you know surprised to see you there like didn't know you were going to show up not like the whole department got together like so we're going to call him in and then we're going to spring the shit on him which is what happened right so uh uh yeah he this detective that came in said he'd just been to the to alan's home in order to speak with him about melissa and you weren't there because you're here. Serendipity. Wow. Cool. This detective toes tells Alan that, you know,

you're free to go anytime. No, we're just talking to you. It's no big deal. You know, doing all that kind of thing. And so for about an hour and a half, they,

they talk to him. They ask about him and his wife's whereabouts on the 25th. Both troopers are, they're not in the uniform. They're in like plain clothes but they have their guns on them and their badges and all that type of shit they're cops yeah they're in a hundred square foot room so it's just one of those little interrogation rooms yeah just a typical like what you'd see on the first 48 you know and uh they closed the door obviously for

privacy and otherwise though it's a busy office there's cops in and out people going around investigations happening phones ringing That sort of thing. So I don't know. Throughout the interview, Alan was offered bathroom breaks. They offered him water and soda. They kept repeatedly reminding him that he's free to leave at any time. You don't have to be here. You don't have to answer this.

But I'm sure you want to help out. Find your friend. Of course. Because Melissa's a nice lady. Oh, yeah. I like her. Oh, well, you should help us find her, please. You might be the only one.

Because as far as we tell, you might be one of the last people to talk to her so you might have something that could be a hero that's what i mean alan have you ever been a hero alan no i thought about it spell hero alan he thought about that one little league game he played in yeah where the ball came to him and he let it hit him in the face then he cried for three days and never played again he's like i've never been a hero i've never been a hero how do i spell g-y-r-o is that right is that hero i'm a hero so yeah so anyway uh k he also kept possession of his own cell phone throughout the interview they didn't take his cell phone away from him or anything like that interview lasts for seven hours all together but that also includes travel

to different sites as we're going to talk about here uh there's an audio recording of this too where they talk to him and they're they're just talking to him about basic shit trying to show that he is uh coherent and knows who he is and where he is lucid exactly they uh he spoke clearly about auto mechanics and welding. He knew because when they tell you what you're doing, they talk in military time. He knew what military time was. He understood that. He said he was aware that the Burger King, him and his wife visited the day before Melissa went missing, had cameras, and they could check out his statements that he was at Burger King. And he's like, I know.

Yeah, they have cameras. You can totally check that out and all that sort of thing. And also, his overall speech pattern was good. He was using detailed explanations for things and detailed whatever statements. He was forthcoming with information, except when they would ask him specific things about Melissa, he would kind of clam up a little bit and be a little more evasive and would not say anything negative about him or his wife or implicate that they've seen her or any of that sort of thing.

Fascinating. So, yeah, the troopers here, they start going with him. This must be fun because he's not that bright, so you can kind of manipulate him a little bit with techniques that he that are simple i think here and so they try a bunch of different things they try to build up the friendship with him uh they tried to you know talk about how you know i know if you know who knows you know maybe you and melissa were out there and maybe she got what she could have said anything maybe she said something that was nasty that was you know maybe she maybe you did the right thing you know maybe it was self-defense maybe she's crazy who

knows i mean i've heard crazy things about her in town everybody has which is all legal yeah this is like the it's the copy machine trick yeah anything short of fuck really the the there's nothing pretty much off limits in interrogation when it comes to the show you can lie to suspects you can tell him that his wife's in the next room confessing. You can tell him anything you want to try to get him to confess. Lying is not against the rules. And they just kind of, and you try to do that. You try to act like it's not a big deal, so then they'll confess.

They do that all the time with people who kill their kids. Like, oh, I mean, it's an accident. I hit my kids all the time. They say, Jesus Christ. You get going and going. You just got home from work. The pain in the ass. You give him a little shot. You don't expect. You hit my kids all the time. They said, Jesus Christ. You get going and going. You just got home from work. The pain in the ass. You give him a little shot.

You don't expect you just want to shut him up. And he fell down. He's an idiot. That's his thing. You know, 15, 16 blows. There you go. That's how it happens. I understand.

So, yeah, they were blaming her. They were saying, you know, that's who knows what these broads these days. You know, they're trying that shit with them. Yeah, they're trying everything with him. They walked him through timelines and all that. Everything, all this type of shit. The whole time, though, Alan remains engaged in the conversation. And multiple occasions they asked him if he wanted to continue talking.

And he said he was happy to do so, which is dumb. They did have some effect in making some friends with him here, rapport building, as they like to call it. He shared intimate details about his life, shared his sexual things that he does with his wife with them. Yeah, they wanted to know what kind of weird sexual shit you guys were into, and he talked all about that. Interesting.

and that and he talked all about that interesting so uh he expressed anxiety about being questioned as to uh melissa's disappearance though and uh he understood the overall dynamic of the of the interview and that the officers were investigating him and uh all that sort of thing here he even mentioned that he knew the police would have done a background check on him before they talked to him he goes i know you guys would have checked me out beforehand so he's not oblivious to anything he's he's definitely of an average intelligence is you know on the lower end but still enough to understand shit uh he told the he told the officers he was aware of their techniques saying quote this little technique right here you guys are you guys saying your wife has already given up that's you guys's technique so he was saying like that.

So they were like, oh, you've watched cop shows. Okay. And they were like trying to act like, oh, you know, stuff, you know, while you're we're brilliant. Yeah, we were approaching you all wrong. Now we're going to play you straight up after that, though. We're on your side. Yeah.

They also one of the things they talked about was he ended up they asked him because, because they were talking about Melissa, and they were just pretty much trying to go through, like, so we know you killed her. Like, we obviously know that. Like, they don't even have a body at this point. But, like, we know you killed her. Did you have sex with her first? And all that sort of thing. And he was saying, no, no, no. And he said, I mean, an autopsy would prove that.

So that's what he said. Why would you say that? They're like, hmm, that's an odd thing to say, motherfucker. So yeah, at that point, when he says that, they Mirandize him. They're like, let's go ahead and give you Miranda, which they should have Mirandized him, I feel like. As soon as they talk to him about, do you know where she is and blah, blah, blah, in more of just a general passing sense, did you talk to her?

He's a suspect at that point. You have to Mirandize him. So, but at that point, they're like, really like, okay, Hey,

you just said an autopsy word. We're going to do this here. So that turned the dead inside outward. You know how that shit works. So they talked to him here and they, they, there's a dialogue of this in the court documents, which is amazing.

And they say, you don't have to talk to us. And he says, okay. They say, so before we ask you to swear to anything, we want to make sure that you, that you know, you don't have to talk to us and uh he says okay they say so before we ask you to swear to anything we want to make sure that you that you know you don't have to talk to us and he says right and they say so that's it and because i mean you've watched all the cop shows you've watched everything you know you're not under arrest or any of the above right

because they're looking at the sheet that has the the right sheet you have to initial uh down so he says right they said you want we want to make sure that you fully understand that you don't want to talk that you don't have to talk to us and he says right again and they said and they say quote quote and some people think you know there are so many times i mean we have to read this you watch all you watch all the cop shows right and he said yeah and he says well we have to uh we have to read every single line so they're telling him that it's going to be tedious to go through every line he has to answer affirmatively to go through the rights list. And they said, he says, quote, the cop says, do you want me to do it? Or and Alan says, quote, I mean, I don't care.

He can read them, too, or you can just read them to whatever. And they said they go, no. All right, we'll just do it together. How's that sound? Just move your phone and your water for me and he says i suck at reading so and they said all right i'll read it out loud to you and you can follow along with me okay and he said yeah and they said do you write do you write yeah okay do you know how not do you do you write and he says what do i need to write which means sometimes a little bit no the answer is

absolutely no certain things i make well i'm just gonna say milk eggs i can write that maybe bread my name i got that pretty down but otherwise it's difficult uh so yeah they said so then the cop says if i were to write do you want me to just transcribe and i'll write the statement and then you sign it and he said yeah that'll work there we'll do it that way and so they said okay perfect number one you have the right to remain silent you understand and he said yeah and they go from there so about an hour after that they they start pressing him harder because now they can really fucking press him and really investigate and this murder so they're pressing him with respect to this truthfulness. And they don't

know where Melissa is. She could be alive. She could be held hostage somewhere. She could be chained up in a sugar cabin. Who the fuck knows? She could be out making syrup. She could be... Not even against her will. She could have a sundress and a bonnet skipping through the forest with a basket of syrup

on her wrist. On her way back to her car where her kid is. she's gonna be blown away when she gets there and there's no where's my son where did michael jordan take my son i told him to wait here with him jesus christ he's so unreliable at fucking michael jordan fuck me and the wizards god damn it fucking charlotte Bobcats are going to learn. So they're pushing him harder. Over the course of pushing him harder, he mentions, Alan mentions that he used to spit shake

on a promise to tell the truth. Like spit in your hand and shake like a deadwood land buy. Not that you would know what that fucking means, but you get what you're saying. Old West dealings. Spanking alfalfa. Yeah, if you're going to buy a claim from a guy. If you're buying a gold claim up on the mountain from a guy, you've got to spit in your hand or else it's not official.

Oh, that's disgusting. So the detective followed up and he did a spit shake. He spit in his hand and was like, well, tell me the truth then. Anything for a body. These cops are willing to fucking do anything to get this guy in. I'll give them that they're willing to shake hands with a fucking let a let a newspaper guy spit it and spit on them basically so lord uh so he affirms that he will tell the truth in fact with them and uh yeah so they they it's all recorded too it wasn't they said that he didn't the detective

didn't use the opportunity to physically intimidate him he He didn't like squeeze his hand or anything like that. It was a very like, hey, yeah, let's let's do it. We're going to be honest with each other. Then they start to confront him with information they have about because his wife's in the other room, too. And she's you know, there's little bits coming out from each of them of information that they're putting together and making into bigger pieces of information. And so they start uh confronting him with that uh about this and they start confronting him and he takes about a takes a pause and he sits there and he goes okay i strangled her comes out with it just you're

right i strangled her oh boy and they're like for spit shake for real wasn't michael jordan okay you're not even blaming jordan because he's got a viable alibi here. Can we spit shake on that? Every time he says something viable, don't we spit shake? Anything. Spit shake. Just to make sure. OJ. This is all day long.

Think about what OJ would have given for someone to say that OJ was there when his wife was murdered instead of him. Think about for Michael Jordan. It was fucking Jordan the whole time. By the way, neither he or his wife or a six foot six black man. No, they're both blonde and pudgy and short and white. So it's just there's no none of that shit. So on hand, pan spitting sends of bitches over here.

So he admits it. Apparently, Alan and Patricia here had called Melissa from a burner phone they had bought. They bought a burner phone. They called her from the remote road there. And after she arrived, apparently when she got out of her car, Alan grabbed her and strangled her right away. Wow. They took her in the back seat of the car where Patricia started strangling her also just to make sure. And this is interesting here.

Patricia apparently continued to choke her just as Patricia put it, according to Alan, quote, to make sure she wasn't breathing. Just to make sure that they finished the job there. So they did. They left. They left the boy in the truck idling. They made sure the engine was on and left him there. They had no interest in him. They then. Holy Jesus Christ. they then um and it gets worse too they then carry her uh she may

have been alive they don't know at this point it's possible that she was alive uh they took her into her into uh their house where they took off all her clothes and repeatedly stomped on her what why to make sure apparently i don't know make sure make sure she's not pretending to be asleep i guess i don't know what the fuck it is and then laid her uh then they satisfied that she was dead at this point they laid her out on a tarp and poured bleach all over her cover doused her in bleach to uh make sure that all the evidence was off of her any sort of physical evidence or any sort of blood or anything like that. They then carried the tarp with her in it back to their car,

drove to a spot along the Connecticut River near Barnett, Vermont, and they took somebody's boat out and in a wooded area, tied cinder blocks to the tarp to weigh her down like a mob hit and dropped her in the fucking river like that. This is it? That's it. That's what they did to Melissa. And so they went.

That's the point. What the fuck? We'll find out in a minute here. My God. Yeah. This is fucking crazy. So they buried her. They put her in the river.

So obviously the police go and find her in the river because he confesses to all this. Then they take the tarp that they had. They take the tarp. They take Melissa Jenkins clothing and the garments that they'd been wearing and put them all in and burn them all. Yeah. So, yeah, this is fucking crazy. Now, when they were recovered, they said when Melissa's body was recovered, she was covered in bruises and contusions. And just it looked like she had been through the mill. I mean, it looked like she'd gotten beat pretty bad.

The the autopsy said there were indications that she suffered greatly, which sounds about right. She died by strangulation, the medical examiner says. sounds about right uh she died by strangulation the medical examiner says and uh yeah so he takes he uh alan takes the officers to the site where he's found where they where they put her and the site where they took her and where all this happens they go on a little field trip good lord everywhere uh which is fucking nuts so yeah they they they burned her clothes they went over to new hampshire to burn all the clothes for some reason. And they also just different places they wanted to be. And they discarded the cell phone that they used to contact her, the burner phone.

So, yeah, he gives a complete statement. They did not readminister Miranda warnings. They did all this shit, went out, gave him the Miranda warnings. He said he strangled her. They went out on a field trip, went out to where they dumped the body the body went to where they murdered her and brought him back to the police station i also brought him brought them to the burn site with the tarp then back to the police station and there's no miranda rights readministered here just to put that out there uh they would offer him water or soda on multiple occasions and use the offered him the chance to use the bathroom and offered him if he wanted to smoke cigarettes, too. All that type of shit.

And several times, too, they would ask him whether they had treated, are we treating you fairly? And he would say yes. How are we doing? And so after the interview, obviously, they take her to jail. They take him to jail. They have Patricia in the next room, too. And they want to talk to her.

She, even though that he is admitting to this, she says, I had nothing to do with this i don't know what he's talking about until they search her computer oh boy and on her computer that shows that uh that uh she had in the last week had searched quote how to kidnap a girl on on google so that's she googled that how to kidnap a girl well what's the yahoo answer on that one is there is there a wiki how to how to kidnap a fucking girl i don't think so what the fuck how to kidnap a girl that's the funniest thing by the way sarah used to just fucking she'd call me and just be like you gotta listen to this and it would be a yahoo answer like these the funniest most fucking basic stupid

answers to questions but uh yeah anyway how to kidnap a girl and also on the computer she had acquired a stun gun uh because yeah there was in addition to the bruising there were stuns on her body too she'd been shocked as well and a prepaid cell phone a burner which she called her with now uh in addition to that there was on her laptop, there was quite a few things from the summer of 2011 on. She'd used the Internet to search such terms as how to kidnap a girl, ways to kidnap a girl, how to kidnap a girl, how to not get caught kidnapping a girl, how to love, and quote, how to rape a girl and not get caught. Jesus. That's what this woman is searching on her computer. Why would she?

I mean, I mean, the wiki, the wiki answer to that is murder. It's murder her. And then yourself, because I don't know what you're what do you do? Kill yourself. How's that? Just kill. Skip. Skip.

Step A. Go directly to step B to never mind killing her or raping her go right to killing yourself you just kill you uh so she is faced with aggravated murder which is even worse than what he's faced with the second degree murder she's got so much premeditation already that's what they're saying like this there and also they find all sorts of uh journals and shit with her with her fantasies and shit like that which that's all fantasy stuff i don't like it when they start bringing that in except when you actually follow through on it then it becomes kind of relevant at that point you have the the written word of exactly what happened and you wrote that months before

if you have written fantasies it's like i know they shouldn't nobody should try to use that against you but ted bundy if he had written fantasies we should probably look at those because they might be relevant to what he did you know what i'm saying it's one of those deals so uh they both say they're going to plead not guilty to these charges even though he admitted the whole thing and everything uh so uh they oh jesus christ also in a police affidavit they quote several inmates apparently patricia's a talker in jail. She likes to go around and talk and brag. Trying to get some puss in there.

That's the other thing, too. She's trying to be tough on the block and see how many girls she can pull here. So apparently in the South Burlington, Vermont jailhouse here, she is talking. And several female inmates' accounts of her conversations included that she bragged about the murder one inmate claimed that she laughed saying that when she was describing the murder she was

say in the middle of it she said oh poor little miss beauty queen got her face all boo-booed but don't worry sweetie there's more to come before this night's over with she said that's what she told this poor woman as she was murdering her. Wow. That is fucking horrific.

It's fucking bad enough to kill somebody, but you don't have to be a dick about it, like on top of it. You know what I'm saying? Have some fucking respect for Jesus' shit's sake. I'm sorry this will be over in a minute. That's way better than this shit. Yeah. Fucking Snoop and Chris were nicer on the wire, Jimmy.

When they would fucking drag people into a vacant house and shoot them, they were nicer than that. They'd say, don't worry. It's all good. It's going to be fine. It'll be over in a second. They'd be real polite about the whole thing. They didn't say, oh, poor little Miss Beauty Queen and fucking mock the person and then fucking scare her worse this that's disgusting man it's fucking disgusting they also said that uh she would outline gory

details of the of the killing to everybody in the cell block because it's not just one person it's everyone's like she will not shut the fuck up about killing this lady it's uh yeah she uh patricia told the women that that patricia and alan were sexually attracted to jenkins because she had blonde hair but that the couple got mad when jenkins ignored them and their driveway plowing business apparently it comes out here that uh alan had asked her out a couple of times at patricia's behest like while he was plowing the driveway he would say like hey do you want to come hang out with us and you want to go out to dinner with us and like kind of weird kind of weird ish not like hey we're having a party with a bunch of

people on saturday and you should drop by bring some potato salad because it's a barbecue nothing like that it was a kind of weird me and my creepy looking yeah both want to fuck you yeah exactly she was like no you know I'm busy and she's a Melissa's very she's clean cut she's she's not that you can't be sexually adventurous and clean cut but she's wouldn't fuck these two even if she was into this

you guys I'd really love to but I've got 19 jobs I got 19 jobs I got a kid and I'm way too attractive for you people because I've seen her and I've seen them and she's not fucking these people in a million years, alive, dead, or any other way. So, yeah, they were sexually attracted to her and they got mad at her and all that sort of shit.

We'll get back to that in a second. Now, the town finds out about her being dead, Melissa Jenkins, and people freak out. They all wear pink to school that day to show support they closed down classes for a day and on her honor they held a memorial service 1400 people came which in a town of 7 000 yeah that's not bad that's that's a good chunk of the town i would say by a long shot it's about 20 20% of the town. That's pretty good. Yeah. So, I mean, that's how beloved she was. Students, you know, cried and told about how caring and kindhearted she was and how she was always helping them.

And she'd stay after hours to help them with work and to tutor and all this type of thing. They're raising a bunch of money for her in order to provide something for her son, to leave behind for her son. They're trying to have something like that. Now, they go to court to plead not guilty, the Pruse. And Alan's mom, Donna, is back again, the one who said he's such a good boy. She, wow, she is on his side, boy. Really? She is blind.

She said that he's never been in trouble with the law and she has faith that he did not do this she said quote i do not believe he would ever do this because he didn't have it in him i have nothing against patricia i don't have nothing bad to say about either one of them he's a good boy he's a good boy he's a fixer-upper i mean and patricia fixed her up right fixed him up so there you go uh so uh yeah they were uh they said said that it has to be the wrong people. That's all it is. Yeah, one of their friends said, quote, I wish I could do something to prove that they didn't really do it. And I hope that the cops aren't willing to give up and try to find more evidence that they really didn't do it instead of wrongly accusing someone.

Well, that's usually not the case. He's saying they're just going to give up. They just stopped. Once they get a confession, they just stop looking for more other people. I don't get it. For now? No. Just because he confessed and took them to multiple sites.

I mean, he could have heard that around. Yeah, just because he told them what happened and then backed it up. You have no idea what people tell the newspaper guy. They tell him everything. It's 5 a.m. They're very loose-lipped. Wow. So Donna also says, quote, I think there's a lot of holes in this case.

Like what? Oh, boy. He confessed to it. It all matches. I don't understand. And I think they really need to keep looking. They are good people, and I want them to have a fair deal in this. They are being set up by somebody.

I don't know who. Set up. By themselves. How do you set someone up to confess to fucking a horrid murder? How do you fucking... I'm sorry. If I didn't do this horrible shit, you could never get me to say I did it. Never.

Never. I'm not admitting to this. This is fucking horrible here. So Patricia decides she is going for an insanity defense. That's her defense here. And she's got some shit to back it up, too, we'll talk about. But Alan has to go to trial right away. So they go to pretrial for Alan.

Prosecutors say that the Prues hunted down uh because that night alan told the police that he wanted to quote get a girl and uh he did say that he didn't plan on it being forcefully but they wanted to go get a girl and they said how about this melissa and then apparently sometime in there they decided she's not going to go along with this we've called her we're gonna have to take her we've called her to the middle of nowhere uh yeah so he said uh the state police guy said that quote it was their desire to go out and kidnap a woman to have a sexual encounter with based on their internet searches that's what they gleaned from that uh now he tries to have he tries to have his statement suppressed his confession suppressed basically at the suppression hearing the defendant's expert who's a psychologist

said that he did not uh that alan did not adequately understand his miranda rights in relationship to the investigation of a homicide he determined that alan's iq was about 75 which is four points above gump that's pretty low that's gumpian that is uh yeah that's uh you know i don't mind that jenny has aids she can just come live with me and we'll have sex still that's that's that level of weird so uh yeah as it goes here they try to uh they try to say that the they try to use the the fact that the police drew them in with the identity theft thing as like a as a way to get out of there. They also said that the spit-shaking that was what they called a swearing ceremony

was designed to disguise the purpose of the Miranda rights, which is weird. They're also talking about the lapse in Miranda, saying that they didn't Miranda-ize him again. There was this long, big gap, and the trial court said at relevant times during the questioning, immediately

before and after the Miranda warnings, accepting the very initial period when the lieutenant feigned interest in his statements regarding the identity theft issue. The topic never wavered from the troopers interest in the information regarding the murder investigation. So they're saying the police didn't like snow him. They didn't lie to him. It was five hours of asking him about a murder. He knew they were talking about a murder there was nothing about that also his wife's mental state he wants to bring into this whole thing he seeks to elicit uh testimony from a dr kinsler about a diagnosis that patricia prue

and the information he reviewed and all this shit uh everything about her mental history everything that he that he examined her recently everything he found and uh everything of of that basically to try to find that she uh dr kinsler's opinion is that patricia suffered from dissociative identity disorder and uh now do you know what that is i do not that is uh she's just associated that's multiple personalities oh jesus that is uh alters yeah and so that's she's he's saying she's that which is like the one thing you can actually say you are and not be and be and be criminally insane instead of in a fucking in prison uh and he says not only does she have dissociative identity disorder but that one of her alters

is homicidal so i mean when you have a homicidal alter inside of you what are you going to do at that point right does it talk like michael jordan i believe he i believe it can dunk yeah i believe it can dunk it's it's very interesting so uh the defense's theory is that the wife patricia committed the murder in a violent and explosive way and that the expert testimony would provide the jury insight to support this view that alan had nothing to do with it even though he admitted to strangling her and helping dispose of her body and everything else uh the theory was bolstered by the witness that uh by a witness who will testify that she that this woman met patricia while they were both in jail and uh this is one of the jail

house people and that patricia's acted very giggly and silly and other times very aggressive you know she's up and down different people and that during an aggressive moment patricia told her that she and not alan killed the woman she said he didn't fucking do it. I killed her. Blah, blah, blah. So that's what they're going on. Also, this woman who was in jail, Patricia, claims that Patricia said that Patricia grabbed Melissa by the hair, pulled her into

the car, strangled her, and as she's strangling her, shouted back to Alan, you want to fuck her now? Oh, boy. That's what she said. That's what this woman said that she said. She strangled her going Alan you want to fuck her now? that's what she said she strangled him you want to fuck her quick I'm killing her so if you want to fuck her get in there that's what she said

that's what Patricia said gross they had to pick the most reliable jailhouse witness but like I said there's many people and they all say this now we don't know if this is bragging to try to make herself sound tough so nobody steals her stuff or tries to fuck with her or does whatever we don't know that but i wouldn't say that if i didn't do it like i

wouldn't fucking say horrible shit that could get i think there's a difference between jailhouse bravado and straight up honesty i'm here for strangling a bitch is fine i think yeah i strangled a bitch you could just say that i strangled this lady i don't give a fuck yeah okay that's fine i'm in here for strangling somebody did you do it fuck you think walk away i don't know something but i'm more afraid of that answer than what she's doing right now that's weird that's that's what i mean in prison that would be better but this is just you're like ew you're fucking you're a monster. Jesus Christ. So the state moves to exclude this doctor's testimony on the grounds that Patricia's mental state is not relevant to the question of whether Alan committed the acts alleged, which is questionable. Also, the state argues that allowing this doctor to testify would be prejudicial because the defense's disclosure of its intention to call this doctor was too late. And so the state's own witness only didn't get didn't get his whole evaluation done.

And so they couldn't possibly let this guy testify because he does. They won't have a fair opportunity to challenge, which is one of those things. That's why they have deadlines for expert witness, you know, to put in for experts. So you can then try to get experts to challenge that so uh also patricia filed a motion to quash a subpoena of this doctor arguing that so now the state and his wife are both filing shit against him saying that the doctor was an expert retained by her and that his opinions were protected by their attorney client privilege which is again a real gray area here right now because they're married but it's her but they did it together but it's a boy but it's a doctor client it's really creepy so the trial court just

says fuck it exclude all that shit okay exclude all the medical all the wife's crazy shit that's all gone okay so they get rid of all of that stuff that does not come into court uh so that's that's a bummer for alan yeah so now all they have is his confession that he strangled his this woman and that his wife helped and that's that's the story now okay rather than her you know blurting out saying she did everything or you know asked him to fuck her too right so anyway during the trial he's denying everything to her his strategy is blame patricia yeah that's it uh the defense attorney in the opening remarks blamed uh patricia he says patricia prue strangled the victim because in her crazy twisted mind she had become obsessively jealous of ms jenkins the evidence will show that patricia prue strangled melissa jenkins without

telling alan she was going to do it, without planning it with him, and without Alan Proulx agreeing in any way, shape, or form to the idea of harming Ms. Jenkins in any way. That's what they say. The attorney informs the jurors that Patricia Proulx suffered from multiple personality disorder and had a complete control over her weak-minded husband, who quit school as a teenager. So they're trying to be like he can't find the fucking mailbox without her so he can't hit a driveway with a newspaper without her saying

there it goes or a plow for that matter which is bigger than a newspaper he still can't yeah it's it's he's dragging him around by the hand uh also she says it was the it was the defense says that it was alan's low iq that allowed detectives to break him down in a seven hour investigation uh his murder confession was coerced and that you shouldn't take it seriously and it's all patricia and her craziness and uh yeah so uh the medical examiner testifies which is doesn't never plays well for the defendant there the prosecutor then played an audio recording of alan's confession to the jury and they were that sounds pretty convincing you know uh she next called patricia to the stand and patricia invokes

her fifth amendment rights and does not say a fucking word except for i'd like to invoke my fifth amendment right against self-incrimination that That's all she'll fucking say. Yeah, she doesn't say shit. All Fifth Amendment, which she, it's her right to do. Good for her. A few days later here, a Vermont state detective testifies that Patricia had used her laptop to research how to kidnap a girl without being caught, how to rape women and kill women and everything else here.

A search of her computer revealed that also had been used to shop for a stun gun, and the medical examiner testifies that a stun gun had been used several times on melissa the night she died so strangling kicking stomping and stun gunning why no fucking reason no reason they wanted to fuck her kinda and then she probably wasn't into it they wanted to fuck her kinda and then we were like now it's it's fucking ridiculous it's goddamn ridiculous here uh so donna here uh the mother alan's mother she uh alan called his mother the night after

the day after uh melissa disappeared the 26th and uh she was staying with her daughter in st johnsbury that night donna says that Alan wanted her to come home because he had something he wanted to say in person, which is a weird thing. She said, he told me something was going on and the cops had been there earlier that morning. And I asked him why. And he said that they were suspects

because there was a lady missing in St. Johnsbury. And Donna said when she asked her son if he knew the missing woman, he said he knew of her. But, you know, it wasn't a big wasn't best friends with her or anything. He says that he once plowed her driveway, which is totally untrue. Another Peru family friend, Linda Spinner, said that the day the 25th, the day all this happened or the next day, I'm sorry, the 26th, she saw him. And he is an older woman she says quote he didn't act

like himself when he was at the house he was pretty quiet uh he was always joking around so i assume they were arguing or something uh they said uh she said she didn't see anything but that's what she did uh she says later on that day her and her husband met up with the peruse to loan them some money so that next day after they killed somebody, they borrowed some money from an older couple, which is strange. Did they have to buy bleach? Tarps and bleach? I don't know. She also said that they were driving a red Saturn station wagon, and that's the car that, or the red Saturn sedan, and that's the car that they told Melissa was broken down.

So it wasn't broken down. They were driving it that day. So that was definitely a lie. So they argue a little bit about the voluntariness of his confession, obviously. And legally, a confession is voluntary if, quote, if it's the product of a free and deliberate choice rather than coercion or improper inducement. So that's pretty vague on purpose. Basically, there's a whole lot in there you can do and uh if someone's still speaking it it can still be considered free and deliberate yeah if they're saying it themselves

right as long as you're not holding a gun to their head or threatening physical harm or beating or something of that nature uh so they said while it's generally recognized that the police may use some psychological tactics in eliciting a statement from a suspect, it's whether the interrogation was so coercive as to undermine the defendant's ability to voluntarily waver his or her rights. And that's what they look at here. They do decide that he absolutely knew what the fuck he was talking about. They said that the,

the, they, he did give a voluntary confession they said that he knowingly and intelligently waived his right to remain silent they said uh his statements throughout the interview reflect his understanding of the situation the record does not reflect any improper promises like they didn't say you know hey if you tell us we'll just send you home tomorrow and we'll get you a new pony because that's another thing you can't do is promise them shit that you can't deliver. Like unicorns and shit? Like unicorns, yeah. You can say, we can try to help you because, yeah, you can try to talk to the DA.

To the best. It doesn't mean it's going to matter. They don't know that you'd have to pull over the DA and how they sentence and charge. You can't say, I'll try to find you a pony. You can't say, I will have a pony tomorrow for you. You can say, I'll try to find you a pony. Maybe we can find a pony. a pony tomorrow for you. You can say I'll try to find you a pony. Maybe we can find a pony. I don't know.

That's okay, I think. I suppose you can try to find a pony. There are ponies out there is the way I would put it. So, I mean, that's just a factual statement. So, fourth, they said that he was resistant

to some interrogation tactics, even saying that, oh, that's a little technique of yours. I've seen cop shows. So, clearly, he knew what was was going on he wasn't there thinking he was there to have ice cream cones and you know get a job plowing the police station's fucking parking lot and they just snowed him with a murder charge that didn't that's not what happened here he knew what was going on uh he pushed back against the the cops attempting to shift blame to melissa at some point suggesting that uh she had treated them badly at one point he said well she was kind of shitty to us that's

why we did it uh he said that he asserted that uh that she was not demeaning toward them but was rather nice later on so she like was when they they asked him like well maybe she was a bitch to you guys maybe she was horrible and he goes nah she was nice to us so they were like okay so why'd you kill her again else then what's the story here she was great she's great man it's cool she could have been a bitch to you guys don't you talk about her though she was fantastic fucking bastard how dare you uh so he also made repeated demands for additional evidence to inform his own self-interest of the whole thing like well what do you guys you know he was trying to do one of those and also they said they didn't attempt to sweat him out they didn't you know keep him in there without bathroom breaks they gave him water and soda and cigarettes and everything else they asked him if he wanted to continue

all that type of shit here they said analysis of his self-interest became evident in his language he was fine uh also there is like we said uh uh they excluded that doctor's testimony which we don't know what effect that would have had but i think introducing the specter of again i know you like it the specter of this uh you know dissociative woman with alters that are homicidal that is like searching how to rape and kill and do all this shit and then you got alan going i don't know what's happening my iq is only 75 i think that that could have possibly helped him or dropped it to manslaughter or something like that that could have helped him but they they excluded that so nine days of testimony go by here and

the attorney's closing arguments come up and the case it's six men and six women on the jury which is uh even after deliberating for only six hours they find him guilty wow of first degree murder and tampering with bodies and desecration of corpses and all that type of shit all the shit all that shit so he's guilty now sentencing comes around and the state's attorney lisa warren here she's got a she's uh she she lays it down for the jury in sentencing she says uh march 25th 2012 was all about alan and patricia prue fulfilling their obsession with melissa jenkins they had watched her and followed her for some time they found her sexually attractive and felt snubbed by her because she didn't want alan prue to plow for her or her uh wow uh they fantasized a sentence they fantasized about her

sexually but knew that she would not agree to any such thing and as punishment they strangled her electrocuted her kicked her beat her played with her and dumped her body in the river that sounds bad yeah that just sounds real fucking bad. She then wiped tears from her eyes. The state attorney. Wow. Whoa. That's a performance.

I mean, it's sad, but you're you're you're laying it in for that jury. Good for you. You're doing your job. Well done. Well done. So she then talked about as she wiped tears and emotion crept in, she talked in her voice. She talked about the young son who was found at the scene in a still running car. And now she's he said her mother cried and all that sort of shit.

She says, quote, there on the side of Goss Hollow Road, they left a two and a half year old boy, a toddler who watched his mother fight for her life and who demonstrated for detectives how his mother had been strangled this was something no one in northeastern in the northeast kingdom would ever imagine could happen here uh you're fucked if that's what they're saying if she puts those two paragraphs together how bad you were with the woman and then you put a child into it and wipes a tear away you're going the fuck away for a long time you're in deep shit uh he alan prue elects to address the court oh boy they said you better fucking say something she said all that you have to answer that otherwise i don't care if you just blame michael jordan get up there blame michael jordan show that you're not a monster that when you're when

you open your mouth a fucking another monster doesn't come out and eat one of the jury's heads off or some crazy shit because she made him sound like a straight up horror movie monster truly uh so he says quote i feel terrible about what's happened here i can't imagine what melissa's family is going through i just wanted to tell the court that i'm convicted of a crime that i did not commit, nor did I have anything to do with. The one thing that I am guilty of is bringing the person in that did this crime to Vermont. And for that, I'm truly sorry. That's it. Oh, the one thing I'm guilty of.

That's the I'm truly sorry for that. That's it. And then he said, also, you should really look at Michael Jordan. Dude's an assassin. I'm just saying my fault for bringing long island into fucking vermont i'm so sorry he said that was his only thing i'm sorry i brought a crazy somebody some crazy fucking uh long islander up here it's somebody from massa piqua can't hang i don't know i did it so the judge has his own response uh he speaks at length about why he

didn't believe alan prue's claim of being wrongly convicted he says the attack on melissa was quote committed with suddenness and ferocity that was better suited to the strengths of alan prue a former roofer than patricia who if you saw patricia she does not look like i mean she's bigger but she's bigger, but she has diabetes, and she looks like she's not real physically fit. I feel like if you did a juke move, she'd just fall over. Okay. You know what I mean?

And just be like, I'm going to take a turtle on her back. I can't get up. She's just kind of. You could cross her over pretty easy. Yeah, just kind of. That's what I mean. Yeah, if you did a little juke on her. She just fall right over. And him, too.

The both of them are like weeble wobbles. The two of them, they look like it. So I'm not making fun of their whatever, but I have to give, you know, what they look like. Otherwise, it wouldn't make sense. So he also says the court does conclude that the attack was primarily driven by Mr. Pru. He has the strength. He's the man who has the ability to carry

multiple bundles of shingles up on a roof. He's short in stature, but he's strong. He was able to drive her to the ground and choke her out. Ms. Jenkins was rendered senseless by Mr. Pru. His power was essential to the success of this process. You, sir, may fuck off 50 years to life.

My Christ. You are fucked. How long has he got to do 50 it's 50 50 minimum it's over no parole to 50 and then uh and then uh you know to life and then a five-year sentence for a conspiracy charge oh it's over he's fucked yeah he's gonna be older i mean he'll be 82 it's over it's over it's very rare you get to be 82 in prison. Yeah, that's going to be rare. Now, Patricia has court in 2015, and she decides that she is going to plead guilty. Things did not go well for Alan.

And her thing is weird here, because she's not even doing it to get a softer sentence or anything. There's no plea agreement. She just decides to do it. Her lawyer, he tells the court that his client was quote severely mentally ill and that the case should be used as an example for why the state should focus on developing a strong mental health system he cited studies done by several doctors during the pre-trial proceedings saying that they determined patricia suffered from post-traumatic stress disorder and might suffer from dissociative identity disorder as well.

He says the state program should be focused on intervening to help those with mental illness at the earliest point possible, which is all true. Yeah. And she's a murderer. So those two things are really true and mutually exclusive. So it's fine. You can't. Yeah.

Help would have been great. But at this point, there's a dead lady in the river what do we do you know let's fix the next one but you know we'll fix the next one we'll fix the next one let's throw this one out this one's already broken i'm sorry it came out of the box like this we don't need a warranty never i don't know that the seal was busted on i don't know what happened so uh let's just study this one to see what's wrong with it and throw it in the fucking trash. No shit. So she's going to plead guilty to aggravated attempted murder, kidnapping and conspiracy.

Her lawyer also said, quote, as horrible as Miss Jenkins death was, it should stand for something. I suggest that it stands for a moment in time where people actually take a moment to take a serious look at how we allocate our resources to social services. I think we need to realize that each dollar we spend or don't spend could have a serious impact on our society and safety. Terrific. Can we get her to jail and then worry about that? Are you a politician or a fucking lawyer? Yeah. Prosecutors said that she planned the crime.

She was the mastermind behind it. They talked about how to kidnap a girl. She's the one that got the stun gun. she was the mastermind behind it they talked about how to kidnap a girl she's the one that got the stun gun she bought the prepaid cell phone she made the phone call she has all the internet searches outside the only thing that that they were saying alan did was initially grab her and disarm disable her yeah so and then put her in the car and then melissa or and then uh patricia took over from there. That's what everybody says. Also, they found Patricia's journal, which included vague descriptions of a joint fantasy that she and Alan shared and were looking to fulfill. In one entry, she writes that she has plans for people who have messed with her and that, quote, people will be surprised what she's capable of.

Oh, my God. that, quote, people will be surprised what she's capable of. Oh, my fuck. Yeah, they're reading through her journals of her anger and her revenge fantasies and her sexual fantasies of forcing women to participate with her and Alan. Yeah. So, Alan, they bring up that Alan told police that Patricia told him that she, quote, wanted somebody they could play with at that point they bring that in uh so before she gets her sentence here uh she uh she addresses the court she says that she regrets not seeking help for her mental issues earlier she says there

is nothing i can uh i or anyone can say uh to make what you've been put through any easier she says to the family i'm sorry i'm not sorry we were caught. We were caught. I'm sorry it ever happened at all. I want to apologize personally for the fact that my husband wasn't a strong enough human being to admit his wrongs and take his rightful punishment willingly.

That's what she said also. She's like, by the way, and fuck him too. Final. They have to argue via fucking final statements to judges and juries because they can't talk to each other. That's the other thing, too. They're not allowed to speak. No. God, no.

They're not allowed at all to speak to each other. So, yeah, she says, quote, I stand here before you today willing to give my freedom for the loss of her life. I've asked for life without the possibility of parole. She asked for that. That's how I want to show you how deeply and profoundly sorry I am for whatever part I played in the death of your family member.

I'm kind of hoping that they give me like 10 or 15. I could, if you got me off early, I don't know. So the judge has a couple, was the same judge too. He's got a couple.

So yeah, he's been waiting for this. How awesome is he about to be? He's been waiting for this for two years here, three years. He said, quote, you knew how the abduction would end. This was not a sudden or impetuous act on your part.

In your future life in prison, I trust not a day goes by in which you won't revisit your crime. You, ma'am, may fuck off life in prison without possibility of parole. Dicks will be eaten. Granted. This way. There you are, madame. Right right this way to the dick buffet we have a table beautiful table right just right it's beautiful right in front of the window so you can see the bay it's just going to be fantastic we're going to set you up right here chain link and barbed wire and just a never-ending cocks ah isn't that wonderful this one's nice

how about this one would you like another endless supply of dicks to eat tender meaty cocks she's fucked so yeah uh so the town we gotta take a step back because we do this all the time small town murder like the towns freak out about shit like this. Well, hell yeah. This is especially this. That's what I mean. This isn't like if the plow guy killed his wife, they'd be like, oh, those trashy people

kill each other. They'd all talk and gossip. But when a beloved member of society that 1400 people will show up to a funeral for that's a teacher in the academy and all that shit that's a this town just did not expect this shit it doesn't happen around probably we're not very aware that the plow boy and the and the weird lady about that are trying to fuck everybody else's wife in town they have no idea because they're they're doing internet shit so it's not just in town it's out yeah they're going they're going on the road with that shit some road gash in there you know that's how that works so god that's vile it is vile this is horrible horrible so the uh the reaction of the town

these people one person here in particular a woman named greta blasek uh uh she escaped from east germany as a teenager uh under you know escaped from the communists this was post-nazi occupation but communist occupation. And she said of it, quote, I couldn't believe it. Most of the community feels bad for the child. I would assume all of them would. Some people say he can go fuck himself

and he should be old enough to take care of himself. One guy who writes a lot of reviews said the kid's probably going to be mean. He said he's mean. I'm not sure about that. One of these days, that kid's going to be mean as fuck. Fuck him. Unless Michael Jordan takes care of him,

there's going to be a problem. So most to see that in the United States bugs me. That poor child and that poor woman, she hadn't lived long enough. She said that she's pleased with the outcome of the case. She heard many community members that just wanted it to be over. She said, quote, I don't have any mercy for that lady referring to patricia if you if she could do that as a woman my god that's all she said as a woman as a woman a woman to woman if she could lower a woman inside a lot of women will say that type of thing like really it's extra another woman yeah it's extra is it yeah

it's extra it's like it's like in the 70s when they'd have the blockbusters. Do you know what that is in the 70s? Yeah. They'd come in and buy a couple houses in the neighborhood and sell them to black families and then scare the shit out of all the white people who are racist and be like, Hey, two black families moved in. Your house is going to be worth nothing, so I'll give you this much money for it now. And then they'd sell it at inflated prices to black families and make money.

That's kind of like, I feel like it's one of those things where they're like it's not like a fucking i don't know hard to explain here but it's just fascinating because you never hear them say i can't believe he would do that to another guy yeah how dare he i feel like it's that sort of thing what a real piece of shit you're robbing the brothers too man like it's one of those like what the fuck this is messed up so yeah i could see that so uh a lot of people here uh one woman here she said uh nobody expected the gruesome details this is the woman who owned the creamery restaurant where jenkins worked part-time and uh you know they said they were all so shocked nobody expected it would be that horrible and that brutal because it was uh one guy here the spokesman for the saint johnsbury academy said we can now turn our full attention to healing from this tragic loss

celebrating melissa's life and mourning her death which is very nice yeah uh yeah another neighbor here the one who uh said in the beginning that he used to mow her parents elderly parents lawn and shit like that she says quote it's easy to say these are horrible people but they weren't horrible people she needed to add until they were horrible people at the end of that except for now they're horrible people and and oh come on she should have just said can't call them horrible people before the murder yeah they were pretty cool. They were not horrible people. But now, atrocious. Fuck them. The worst. The worst. So, honest appeal here.

Alan appeals this. Alan does. Patricia doesn't appeal hers. But Alan appeals his. Well, she can't. She pleaded guilty. She pleaded. And it was in her deal, too. So, he seeks reversal of the denial of his motion to suppress his confession.

And also, he's big on the doctors. Okay. Things that weren't allowed in there. He says that the state failed to prove that he validly waived his Miranda rights. And they said, nope. Basically, he's saying they didn't re-Mirandize him. And they're saying, no, you have to look at it as a whole is the way they're looking at it.

You can't say that, well, five hours went by between that Miranda and that Miranda. They said, yeah, but it was all part of the same. They had the same conversation for five hours. So why would you stop and go, by the way, we're having this conversation. Like, he should be able to remember for five hours that he was already told. He was already told. It wasn't like they stopped, went out for ice cream, went to the dog track, bet on some shit, and then came back and started talking about it again.

Like, they went out specifically for these fucking things. it was so if they went throwing newspapers and snow blowing that's yeah that's what i mean yeah that was beforehand so yeah they said his language was detailed he was forthcoming with information except when he was struggling to avoid incriminating himself or his wife so not only do you know what he was doing he was pretty shrewd about it is what they were saying here uh he uh they said the trial court adequately reviewed the record to under to make sure he understand everything they talked about the the spit shake swearing in swearing ceremony there the cosinostra the cosinostra fucking they pricked his finger and burnt the heart of a saint that's a fucking deal here and uh finally the the trial court i like the way they said this

they said quote we do not approve of describing the constitutional requirement embodied in miranda as a formality but the trial court's conclusion that the trooper's word choice did not undermine the validity of the defendant's waiver is supported by the record they tried to is their defense was trying to say the the trooper called it a formality, like it wasn't a big deal to sign away your rights. Right. And they're like, well, he's saying it, the formality is the signing it, is what they're saying. That's why it's just a formality, you have to write all this shit.

It's just a formality of this formal fucking document, you idiot. Formal form? Right. Of this formal standard government form that's in the constitution we have to provide for you? Yeah, that one. Goddamn idiot. Jesus fucking Christ. standard government form that's in the constitution we have to provide for you yeah that one Christ I'm sorry we don't do spit shakes down at the police station

yeah don't do hillbilly that's what they do that's what they did in court though that's how you swear in there's no bibles in Vermont they just they don't you don't swear on a bible or whatever you believe in it's a spit shake with each individual member of the jury and the two lawyers. It takes forever.

That's the problem. It takes so long when they call anybody. You really got to want a witness up there because they got to go around the room, all the bail lifts. It takes a while. And they run out of spit. You got to provide them with water. It's a mess. It's a fucking mess.

So, yeah, they said uh it was a cohesive hole the interrogation they gave him water they gave him shit like that you're fine asshole is what they said now september december 2016 patricia and alan file for divorce against each other it's not working out sorry you know now that we've blamed each other for murder and you know we've killed a girl how bad a husband or wife are you if they still leave you when they're locked up that's amazing well if you're both locked up it's fine i think that's my point but like they're you have a husband or wife that's in 80 square feet yeah they still can't stand like i don't want to be married to that guy what What's the difference at this point? Who cares? You're both in prison forever.

Stay married. Who gives a shit? Does it matter? At least enjoy the tax breaks. That's all. Yeah, because all that income you got. Now, 2017, there's a lawsuit, but it's not against the Pruse. Who's the Pruse?

It is against the WCAX TV station. WCAX TV station. The parents of Melissa Jenkins are suing WCAX over the broadcaster's airing of graphic photos of her nude dead body on a fucking newscast. Oh, fuck.

Yeah. Out. They absolutely did that. This lawsuit filed by Richard and Phil Ann Jenkins, which, goddammit, they should. They're suing WCAX? They're suing the w cax

we got cax big cax you bunch of cax you aired dead nude yeah a dead nude woman what the fuck is wrong with you people they seek unspecified monetary damages along with attorney fees and court costs they say quote they've suffered severe emotional distress as a result of the broadcast of their dead daughter's nude body. Un-fucking-real. Dead daughter, nude, and body together. Awful. Assholes. Yeah.

They have suffered severe post-traumatic stress disorder, major depressive disorder, and generalized anxiety disorder as a result of these actions. I guess Richard Jenkins was watching the broadcast when the photo appeared. And that's the first time he saw it. He saw it like that. Yeah. Unreal. The station is fighting the lawsuit.

Just give the money. Jesus Christ. How do you fight? Internally. Yeah. How do you look at yourself and go, fuck them? What are we doing?

Let's try to win. And the way they do it, it's like they say, we made a mistake, but you don't get any money for it. That's their stance. Fuck you. They say the photo appeared.

They can't deny it appeared. It appeared for several seconds during the 6 p.m news broadcast on october 9 2014 the station apologized for what it called quote our terrible mistake and blamed a breakdown in editing procedures that's where you fuck up your editing not when you go and we're gonna go to gym now on the scene hi frank i'm here on the that's a fucking editing procedure fuck up this is not this is a dead nude woman on tv that should not be on tv there were several several pairs of eyes saw that before it went to tv that should never be in your you're an asshole it shouldn't be loaded no it's never gonna air why is it loaded in your shit at all

why is it on your deck exactly why is it even in there it at all? Why is it on your deck? Exactly. Why is it even in there? It's fucking ridiculous. You're a jerk off. Whoever started the report and whoever aired it, and everybody in between, you're all dickheads. And they try to explain it. And their court paper is responding. They take responsibility for mistakenly showing the photo, but the station's lawyers say the accident fails to support a claim of intentionally inflicting emotional distress they say due to a technical malfunction a technical malfunction that's that assumes that

somehow a technical error pulled this nude naked dead woman's picture out of the fucking cloud on the broadcast and put it in the broadcast fucking deck for their shit that they're gonna put in there i know when we present a live show i have have all my slides right i know exactly what's going to come up i never go how the fuck did that crazy picture get in there i thought i sent that picture oh my god whoops a daisy there's my cock never happens and if it did i'd go i must have put that in there it's not a technical malfunction you it can't be a technical malfunction. I was real sleepy last night. I'm going to check with my wife and see if she has gotten that picture. Jesus Christ.

Because I don't think she has gotten it. Ridiculous. So it's due to a technical malfunction. No human error. WCACs briefly and inadvertently aired that image. The station adds that the lawsuit does not contain allegations sufficient to make out their claims. adds that the lawsuit does not contain allegations sufficient to make out their claims the news anchors apologized as soon as the report ended and again before the end of the hour-long newscast because they knew they knew we're about to get so they were like oh wow that was terrible uh the

news director at the at the time anson tebbets he told the burlington free press that the station contacted the jenkins family to apologize directly afterwards and also enacted new policies to prevent such an error from happening again. I thought you did nothing wrong, you motherfuckers. What new policies could prevent a technical malfunction? What? Wait a second. I thought this was just a machine AI took over

and pulled, I mean, they might have showed a picture of like Nancy Reagan getting Eiffel Towered by fucking Ronnie and, you know, Henry kissinger from 77 in the next slide you don't know anything could pop up there that's the point so who the fuck knows how why do you need to change a policy if it's wizardly gremlinly fucking uh technical malfunctions unbelievable so your policy the procedure should always stay the same if that shit should never happen that's it don't show new dead girls on tv dickheads sorry uh the parents here richard and phil and jenkins lawsuit says no one from the station ever spoke

with them again either to share more information about what went wrong or to inquire in any way way as to their well-being uh now uh in 2018 uh prue allen is one of 215 inmates that the vermont department of corrections recently moves to mississippi yeah over complaint they had them in in a prison in pennsylvania yeah i don't know if vermont doesn't have enough prison space yeah or what what the fuck it is but they're exporting they sent he was in camp hill prison in pennsylvania i feel like there's a privatization thing in here somewhere uh and there was complaints about medical care and exorbitant inmate deaths at this camp hill prison in pennsylvania so vermont took all of their 215 inmates and shipped them to mississippi we'll give them our money where they're famous for caring well for prisoners that's the humanity center of the world is the mississippi prison system really wow uh so uh 2018 in june the

lawsuit is settled okay with the parents here the settlement for airing the disturbing video was for a quote substantial undisclosed amount of money they're not even gonna say what i hope you're rich as fuck yeah i think they are here. Substantial, though, they italicize. And that word in Vermont means something. That's something. That's something. Representative here said, quote,

We are pleased that we were able to reach a settlement with the defendant in this case. Mr. and Mrs. Jenkins have grievously suffered not only from the horrific death of their daughter, but the additional pain of seeing their beloved daughter's body on statewide television i would fucking i don't know what i would yeah i don't know what i would have to pull a spinner spencer's dad like from crime and sports crime and sports i want to say episode 40 we had a guy who the dad went nuts because his son's fucking hockey game the maple leafs game was supposed to be on tv it was in canada and they played a different game so the guy went down to the station with a rifle saying put the fucking

leafs game on or i'll shoot you which is insane that's this situation level shit i'd be looking i'd who's the fucking highest person in charge in this building right now i want his balls tell him to fucking put some tape on his knuckles because we're fighting right now. That's it. You put my daughter. Wow. Dead fucking naked daughter on TV. As if the man's not suffering enough that the woman.

Un-fucking-real. You've got to see it. As horrible as you can get. And he was watching it, too. Fuck you. So they say Mr. and Mrs. Jenkins can now achieve some form of closure to this terrible chapter in their lives. Yes. So they said that the uh the the

station confirms that uh he says we are pleased to have resolved this case with the jenkins family which means we had to pay a fuckload of money and i did not get a bonus this year yeah uh this this is all we're all affected by we're all fucked we had to fight we have to get our own coffee now like we fought to fire that dude he's fucking fucking gone. Have you guys seen National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation? Yes. Because we are all not even getting jellies. No jellies for any of us. Nothing.

We're all Cousin Eddie at this point. That is the gift that keeps on giving. Keeps on giving. Gift that keeps on giving, Clark. Now, the station's unintentional airing of the courtroom photo of Ms. Jenkins' body was a serious error, and we took steps shortly after the event to ensure no similar errors would occur in the future. We extend our sincere apology to the Jenkins family and to the public once again for this mistake. Now, the judge here says that about here, this is about this thing.

The judge from this case said that the Jenkins, they claim to have post-traumatic stress disorder. They said a reasonable person could infer from the fact that the photograph of the body was aired on WCAX, either broadcast the image or intentionally or intentionally failed to utilize its time delay technology during their news broadcast. They have a seven-second delay. We didn't have a delay going, yeah. Turn it off.

We don't want that on TV. A reasonable person could also infer that the conduct WCAX acted with a reckless disregard for the probability of causing severe emotional distress to the Jenkins. Nine-page decision saying you guys are pieces of shit for doing that. Right. Also, at this point, Alan, our buddy here, files his second post-conviction relief request. Alan, our buddy here, files his second post-conviction relief request. The Caledonian Record, this is in November of 2018,

reports a judge has granted Alan Proulx's attorney 90 days so he can amend his client's original PCR hearings. He says in his request that he had ineffective legal counsel during his trial. That's his new thing now. And I read everything. I think his attorneys did about as good as they could do with this piece of shit of a case they with and you confess confession what do you want yeah if you confess you can't blame your attorney after that you fucking said you did it dummy doesn't matter what he does this far out that man could just not show up yeah and

it's not like a fault he didn't just say i did it and they took him to jail he showed them he said i'll take you this is where we burn shit five three different places like he knew it and he did it and there's no doubt about it so uh that is going on right now it hasn't been come come out yet that was in november that can take a couple years to for this all to come down but i don't think it's going to amount to anything i think he's pretty much fucked patricia's in for life without parole and uh this poor kid who's now nine years old this poor kid who's now nine years old this poor kid has no mom doesn't remember any of this he's not even gonna remember his mom it's fucking horrible and i'll bet he hates michael jordan fucking hates him he's like that

michael jordan they're like for the last fucking time chuck he didn't kill your mom it's like i know what i saw all right i know what i fucking saw i know what i saw i'm a pretty good judge of character hey bald guys i hate basketball fuck the wizards fuck the bobcats fuck the bulls i'm It's like, I know what I saw. All right. I know what I fucking saw. I know what I saw. I'm a pretty good judge of character. Hey, bald guys. I hate basketball. Fuck the Wizards. Fuck the Bobcats. Fuck the Bulls.

I'm surprised. Fuck John Paxson. Fuck him, too. Horace Grant, the worst. His goggles right up his ass. I'm surprised that they didn't try to call him to the stand to refute the whole thing. He says it. Ladies and gentlemen, the jury.

This young man says it was Michael Jordan. So I'm subpoenaing Michael Jordan. He's going to have to answer. We'll make the bastard deny it, like Lyndon Johnson said. Let's make the bastard deny it. So, yeah, that is St. Johnsbury, Vermont. And that is Alan and Patricia Prew and poor Melissa Jenkins. And what a fucking horrible.

What a horrible, through no fault of her own. She didn't even have beef with these people. No, it's not like, oh, they were neighbors and they were having an argument. And obviously it's no reason to murder somebody. But, you know, she at least knew she was in an argument with somebody. She just thought she was helping out some people that needed help. And they were doing this for no fucking reason. And the only positive I can take out of this is at least when patricia said you want

to fuck her now alan didn't go sure and walk over there with his dick out at least he said no thanks i think i'm good i think this part's the only scary for me that's the only redeeming quality of these people out of their whole lives alan didn't fuck a woman while she was being strangled to death congratulations hats off chief way to go your quality holy shit yeah you guys are real quality here so uh that is saint johnsbury vermont and if you like that show yeah i know what you can do about it there's several things first of all go to apple podcasts and give us a review five stars would be wonderful doesn't matter what you say just tell us your following instructions or directions or whatever it's not for our ego it's just to drive us up the charts and you can do

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