Small Town Murder - #128 - Follow That Blood Trail... in Guide Rock, Nebraska

Episode Date: July 18, 2019

This week, in Guide Rock, Nebraska, the drama in multiple tumultuous relationships begins to boil over due to alcohol, anger, and close living quarters. People seem to pair off for the express purpose of bickering. Eventually, it's too much to take, and the result ends up being a dead body, hastily hidden under some boards. What follows is pure insanity, including a show down with an angry mob at a Wal-Mart parking lot. Words can't express this weirdness!!Along the way, we find out we know nothing about horse shows, that it's really hard to have a fist fight in the back seat of a car, and that you can't keep changing your murder story, if you want to be taken seriously!Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman New episodes every Thursday! Donate at: patreon.com/crimeinsports or go to paypal.com & use our email: [e-mail] Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder & Crime In Sports! Follow us on... twitter.com/@murdersmall facebook.com/smalltownpod instagram.com/smalltownmurder Also, check out James & Jimmie's other show, Crime In Sports! On iTunes, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Why? Because we're assholes. Oh, yeah, but? We're not scumbags. That's true. That's it. There's a lot of stuff to make fun of when it comes to these situations. Usually, personal situations that lead to murder tend to get a little bit weird and have some odd things

happen a lot of times they're comical it's a lot of comical stuff and then the reactions of like a small town police force to something they're not used to is also sometimes comical lots of stuff comes up what we're saying is we're going to have fun yes if you don't want to have fun yeah we suggest there's plenty of other podcasts for you you can or you can go watch dateline there's a dateline podcast. Yes, you can hear a very solemn description of pretty much the same brutal murder, except in a way more serious and kind of depressing way. But if you want to have some fun and find the light in this tragedies that happen here, you hang out with us and you do this. If you think murder or true crime and comedy should never go together, go away.

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Let's go on a trip, Jimmy. I would love to. What do you say? Let's go on a trip. This week, we last week we were up in the northeast in Vermont. Oh, that's right. Very strange Vermont times that was. More syrup talk. No syrup this week, I promise

you that. We're going to Nebraska this week. Oh! Been a while since we've been there. Cornhusker State. Oh, baby. Is that what it's called? I don't know if it's Cornhusker State, but they're the Cornhuskers. Yeah, they're the college football team. But this is Guide Rock, Nebraska. Okay. Never heard of it, huh? No. That's for

good reason. Nobody's there. It's very few people. It's in south central Nebraska, right on the border to Kansas down there. Oh. This is Dorothy country. Yeah. Flat land.

You can watch your dog run away. Run right away and your house fly away with the tornado and everything else. This is some interesting country around these parts here. It's about two hours and 15 minutes to Lincoln, Nebraska, the worst city in the world, as far as I'm concerned. By the way, see you in Omaha, which is a much better city.

We'll be there. And sold out. We can say whatever we want. Our kind of people. That's right. Well, they hate Lincoln too. They're in Omaha. If they don't show up for the tickets they bought, then we'd still get paid. Lincoln's their Tucson. Doesn't matter. Five hours to des moines iowa over in the other direction there and three hours to rulo nebraska episode 74 from june of 2018 and definitely when people go what's a crazy small town murder episode to start my friend on yeah

that's one of the top five dancers is episode 74 rulo you always hear rulo phillips baraboo like there's a few that really pop out strong pocket robin vampire pyramid scheme there this is that's your four that's that's those are the kind of our top four of uh people suggested and those are probably the best four for shock awe and just weirdness just out now weirdness that happened there uh so that's there it's in webster county zip code six eight nine four two area code four zero two this is a small small small town i mean it's a it's point five zero square mile it's half a square mile how do you even pack a town in the town well it's 0.50 square mile. It's half a square mile. How do you even pack a town in there?

It's the town. Well, it's just rural. There's a post office and then some farms and rural people. Got it. Well, I mean, look at this. This is their motto. Town motto is, quote, hey, what's that? Oh, you missed the town.

That's their motto. They know it's a small town. They get it. Do they have a website? Barely. you know they know it's a small town they get it do they have a website barely yeah it's bare it's just like you know telling you that you can pay your municipal water bill it's not like through here c colon and then an underscore flashing it's just yeah it's all well when you start out it's you got to do like an ms dos thing you started out with the whole what was the thing you had to do

in computer lab when you're in like second grade yeah you had to do like a startup disc or some shit remember that whole thing you had to i forget you had to put the one disc in and still was a piece of shit well we had old computers yeah this was a new york school system we didn't even have heat in half my classrooms in high school never mind fucking computers we had one room with a computer in it and it was like there it is well we grew up in a calico fucking in a great generation where where you remember the green screen you know what i mean all that stuff where you got to see how we got to where we are yeah you see shit yeah and then it helps you appreciate what we have today you get to drive in the model t and have a sore ass the whole time and then you drive the fucking 70 cuda and you're like this is amazing this is my son

has this xbox and he plays online with his friends i'm like motherfucker i know i sound so he's got this xbox and he's on there he's watching the youtube and i don't know what the hell these kids are doing out there they're jerking each other off they're watching the youth he's watching the youtube all the time i don't know what's happening i get i sound like an asshole but the point is he doesn't understand how fucking good he has it this is wonderful yeah it's do you know how great this is that's fucking amazing it's so amazing your friend just said words to you and he's not here and you're not even on the phone and your mother's not yelling at you to get off the phone how amazing that is jesus it's incredible so this town guide rock i don't know if i feel like they're still in the green screen era this if you go there that's what they have yeah it's

still the same whatever the hell i'm first apple that first yeah that what was it apple two or whatever that old 80s shit one so uh yeah guide rock is the only town in america with the name guide rock yeah every other town is every you know every state has four towns they all have the same name why would anybody call it guide rock that's the thing there's no other guide rocky in america apparently ship rock in new mexico there's a lot of rocks but no guide rock castle rock there's a there is uh so this is on it's located on the north bank of the republican river oh Oh. That'll tell you a lot right there. Oh, boy. Guide Rock, it was named after a prominent rock bluff, which they called Bluff Parher,

which was, I don't know, it means something in French. It doesn't matter. It became a very important landmark to the early trappers and also the Pawnee Indians that were in the area. Got it. As far as you could see. Tell them no directions. Yeah, okay. Now we know we're here.

Right. One of those things. Good landmark here. The town itself was sort of settled in about 1870. I mean, they started putting things down, but it wasn't really a town yet, obviously. So, yeah, it was named after a French trapper who saw the deal and used it as a guide. The par whore? The par whore. Okay. Yeah. Par whore? So, yeah, it was named after a French trapper who saw the deal and used it as a guide. The par whore.

Okay. Yeah. Par whore? Par whore rock. I don't know about that. I think that's what they call the beer girl on golf courses. Probably, yeah. Where's the par whore?

Where'd she go? Damn it. So, yeah, one of the first ideas in the area, because this is when they settled the area, there's a bunch of kind of towns close to each other. There's a town called Red Cloud around there, and that was one of the first kind of named towns. There was also Spotted Tail was another name. They had kind of an argument of what they were going to call the other town, Spotted Tail or Red Cloud. Got it.

They couldn't decide. There was a Native American chief named Spotted Tail, and there was another one named Red Cloud. So they were competing. It's like a power struggle here. So the city council got together to vote between Guide Rock and Spotted Tail as the towns for this town. They even threw Red Cloud out? The other one, the other town took Red Cloud.

He won Red Cloud. He got it over there. So they're like, okay, Spotted Tail comes over here. Guide Rock or Spotted Tail. And it was a 6-6 deadlock. Oh, shit. Imagine the bloodshed in the streets back then over some shit like this. comes over here guide rocker spotted tail and it was a six six deadlock oh shit imagine the bloodshed in the streets back then over some shit like this and the secretary george simpson cast a deciding vote and he went with in favor of red cloud and then guide rock became a different

town that's how it works seriously really yeah oh my god it's like a like the old uh like political convention process where like in the 60s and forever if they would have a contested election or convention like democrats republicans whatever they'd have like after the first couple ballots they couldn't come to a conclusion they just pick somebody else that they could all agree on that wasn't even in the fucking race up till then you two fuck off and they just get this guy we all you know what compromise candidate that guy there you go awesome it's happened a lot too it's crazy so uh yeah it's a not not a good thing here so the time like we said town named after obviously guide rock uh there's a lot of uh it's a lot of historical markers around here for uh pawnee pawnee indian things i like that about the plains area of this

country that they really embrace the the new american stuff it's pretty rad fucking should yeah yeah i mean it makes sense yeah it's what sense yeah it's nice that they do yeah you know yeah back east they name small towns after it and then just that's it and it's just all the george washington plaques right from new york everything is named after indian stuff it's you know i'm i was born in poughkeepsie i lived in wappingers like all these different things but then all plaques everywhere just george washington farted here and you know during the revolution named after a white guy does everything named after these tons of those historic those blue historical marker plaques all over new york everywhere every 10 feet so uh the railroad came through guide rock between 1881 and 1882.

This is like Blazing Saddles is basically what this is. Real life Blazing Saddles instead of Rock Ridge. It has happened so many times in these stories. Yeah, that's what happens. That's what towns kind of blossom. I mean, they had to know that when they were writing that movie, right? That this was going to just be relatable to every small town ever? Well, yeah, that's why they made the movie. Because that was the West story.

It was the railroad coming through. But it's every goddamn town ever well yeah that's why they made the movie because that was the old that was the west story it was the railroad coming through but it's every goddamn town yeah that's that was that was the plot of every western movie because of that all right so like that's blazing saddles just a satire of western movies so it was a because in the 50s the western movie was the biggest thing in the world yeah it's just a satire that shit where that's the plot of all of them i found a a uh an account here of people who came to the territory in this area right when it was first settled which i always found fucking interesting so they said that this family came in this year and uh right like it was 18 like 71 or something uh uh and they say quote that year jacob and his sons built a cabin on the homestead of walnut logs, hewn out and notched with an axe.

Hewn. Imagine doing that. They made lumber with an axe. With hand tools. The cracks between the logs were plastered with a mix of sand and lime. Even so, high winds sometimes cause snow to sift through and make small drifts on their beds and on the floor. Oh, my God. This is hard living man but the cabin was still standing a century later and after a second and third house had been built on the same hill so this is a hundred years that fucking rickety

shit stood that some two guys some dude and his kid made with fucking hand tools hatchet and slept in snow drifts for this is crazy they like puttied up the holes and then those holes weren't puttied very well and the snow came through the fucking walls that was windy on the planes it's flat there's nothing for these yeah there's nowhere for it to stop nowhere for it to go here so yeah they talk about this 1872 and 1875 uh these are those early years were busy ones for every member of the family they worked from dawn till dark and later by candles or kerosene lamps. It's all these people did is work. In the fall, they made sorghum molasses from cane.

Damn it. Fuck, there is syrup. Shit, I forgot about that. I fucking wrote that and forgot it. Damn it. Every week. It's funny, though. We wonder why.

I mean, we know why shit burns down. But you build a house out of logs and you notch it all out and fucking take your time, and then you put kerosene fucking torches inside. In a fireplace and a bunch of lamps. Let's see. How many fires can we start inside this house? Let's build a shitload of fires inside this kindling box. This is smart, I think.

This is good here. Tinder box. Yeah, let's see. That's what it is. So, yeah, they said they made the sorghum molasses. They pressed juice out of the stalks and boiling it in large open kettles. tinderbox yeah that's what it is so yeah they said uh they made the sorghum molasses they pressed juice out of the stalks and boiling it in large open kettles yeah that sounds terrible jesus christ so cornbread and molasses and meat or game was the common diet okay which sounds

delicious not not too bad yeah i'm not scared cattle and chickens provided milk and eggs and blah blah ducks and geese holy shit they provide oh they're raised to provide fellow feathers to fill uh feather beds and pillows so they could sell that shit this is a tough fucking way to go droughts bugs and grasshoppers were ever-present threats too they said droughts bugs just just the random those crazy yeah and then those plagues of grasshoppers on top of that who are their own deal uh yeah this is goddamn crazy so uh later on though larger farms came in and the farm population the population of people decreased because people were consolidating farms

so then you know it would be one family would own a lot more land and bump two families off and they'd be gone got it so everything decreased over the years as this town has just shrunk and shrunk and shrunk and this is one of these like it's almost a ghost town it's like this dying weird place i want to see it it's it's well it's it's interesting it's pretty far from omaha otherwise i'd say we can go there when we go to omaha but i don't think so i'm not taking a day trip no no uh a lot of the people i guess uh many of the people that live in this whole county drive to hastings nebraska that's where jobs are okay it's about 40 miles and uh they were i guess recently last 20 years or so webster county's done pretty shittily economically

because it depends on agriculture a lot there's a low unemployment rate as we'll talk about but also the salaries nobody makes shit okay so it's a not nobody but it's a you know it's a low unemployment rate, as we'll talk about, but also the salaries. Nobody makes shit. So it's not nobody, but it's a tough go. It's a tough go of it here. Yeah, still snow drips in your cabin, I feel like. It's one of those places. So in Nebraska, they have the Nebraska license plate system. Remember we talked about that? Webster County is represented by the prefix 45 because it had the 45th largest number of vehicles registered in a county

when the license plate system was established in 1922. In the world. In the country. In that county. Or, yeah, that county. That county had 45th most. Most in that state. Oh, okay.

Out of the counties. So if there's 60 counties, let's say, they're 45th in registered vehicles, so they get 45 as their prefix. So they came up with this in 1922, and it's still in effect. So that's strange uh webster webster county for what i found here i don't know what this exactly means but i found this somewhere webster county has a predicted average indoor radon screening level greater than four uh pci slash l which is the highest potential that's the most radon that you can possibly not not good

apparently the highest potential for indoor radon that you can find you know that without people dropping dead left and right exists in webster county what is radon which poison is it deadly shit yeah radon is not good that's like i think that's i don't know exactly what radon i'm not going to go into the science of radon but it it's an element on the... It will fucking kill you, is what it is. Yeah. If it's detected in your house, it's carbon monoxide level bad. Got it. Not good at all.

Not to be confused with rayon. With rayon. The shirts that... The shirts that... By the way, there's a... Very popular. One of our live show stories has something about rayon in it. Really?

Which is very weird. Then I was just doing a live show the other night. How about that? I'm like, rayon, that's not in this story. That's in a different story. I'm all confused. Population peaked in 1930 at 690 people. That's the most.

That's the most. And then the dust bowl came and, yeah, kind of dwindled a little bit. And then up back into the 600s by 1950. And then it's been steadily declining since then. We are down right now to 215 people. That's not a lot. Not a lot. Down 13% since 2000.

So it is just, I mean, from 1950 to 1960, they lost 35% of their population. Unbelievable. And then from 60 to 70, another 28% of the population. It's just, there's nothing here, basically. It's like a sale at walmart it is it's nothing less cutting prices roll back in population kids clothes are on sale boy and it is slim pickings uh the average age here is about 40 so it's a little older than the average and honestly it's very much older in terms of the people because they have a thing

of most common first names in guide rock among dead people so people that have lived there uh that live there a while and are buried because since there's so few people there you can keep track of this shit number one is john then mary then william then george then clarence then henry the old-fashioned shit old sturdy white people that build shit notched logs and shit not very well apparently there are a lot of german immigrants and shit in this town well they build they were sturdy like you know fucking german vlog builder people i don't know so uh i don't fucking know they're just strong they're strong so 52 percent male this is in this town.

There's 111 males and 102 females. There's so few people that you can do it that way. It is. And that's what the stat is, even though it said it was 215 people. So I don't know what the other... Where do those other people come from? I don't know. Maybe they're...

Whatever they're claiming. I don't know. All right. Yeah. You got constitutional rights. You can do whatever you want. Claim whatever you want to be. Identify as a tree. I don't give a shit. Yeah. Doesn't bother me. I don't give a fuck. I don't care. All right, yeah. You got constitutional rights. You can do whatever you want. Claim whatever you want to be. Identify as a tree.

I don't give a shit. Doesn't bother me. I don't give a fuck. I don't care what anybody identifies as. You can identify as anything you want. Go nuts. That's the same as your name to me. I don't care.

What do you want me to call you? I don't give a shit. I'm good with it. I don't care. You still got a name. I'll call you that. I don't care what you are. Whatever you say, I don't care.

What the fuck does it affect me? You know who cares? Single people that are trying to get laid. That's the thing. I'm not trying to get laid. I don't care. I don't give a fuck. I don't care what you the fuck does it affect me? You know who cares? Single people that are trying to get laid. That's the thing. I'm not trying to get laid. I don't care. I don't give a fuck. I don't care what you got in your pants because I'm not after it.

I don't care what you got in there and I don't care what you're looking for. Doesn't matter to me. Don't give a shit. That's a pretty good feeling, isn't it? It's great. Sorry, everybody out there who is worried and doesn't know how to do this and how to navigate in the world. That's tough stuff.

It's just... You'll work it out eventually. Listen, I found what I was looking for. There you go. That's what it is. So there are the married population is less than normal. Normally it's 50 50 here. It's 40 about 41 percent.

The widowed population is double. The divorce rates double. So there's some old people and some tumultuous shit going on. And there's a lot of weird stuff here. We've I found the the race of the town here. There are about 200 white people out of the 215. So fun. 93% or so.

There's 11 Hispanic people, three American Indian, and two or more race people we have here. So that adds up to 216. So I don't understand. And these are all from the same website. So that is fascinating. People come and go and move and ebb and flow. Somebody counted them. They were just passing through. That's all religion in this town. A lot of religious people. It's about 72 percent religious, which you're going to find a lot in this area. We got your Protestants is mainly the it's over 50 protestant they're like

what's the most mild thing we can do what's the thing we can barely believe everybody calm down religion everybody calm down that should be nebraska state state slogan just relax a minute everybody let's take a step back everybody calm for a minute here let's so that's that see if we can look at the big picture yeah let's let's try big picture about 20 catholic uh politically 78 republican in this county 18 democrat in the last presidential election uh the economy here like i said the unemployment rate is super low 2.9 which is honestly unhealthily low it's like it's four people math wise that's not a yeah it's four people that's the thing here that's really what it amounts to is like fucking hilarious five people literally uh median income here is 37 128 that's household income uh rest of the country it's about

58 000 that's the average so that's the average so it's tough 50 somebody makes 10 well the 33 percent of the people live under the poverty line yeah that's a third. So it's tough. Somebody makes 50, somebody makes 10. Well, the 33% of the people live under the poverty line. Yeah, there you go. So that's a third of the population. Quite a fucking bit. Too many, I would venture to say. What's poverty? I think that's like-

18? It depends on for a family of four, it's this and that. But I figure that's a better stat than just the household income, whether they're under the poverty line. That's a fucking terrible one. Shows their actual buying power rather than just give a stat if they make this much money uh jobs here too uh construction is number one by far whenever you see number like construction so far out of whack 34 percent of the jobs for males are construction they're building something so that's that that can just mean

maintenance to people that put fixing shit and maintenance. And it's even construction is the number one job for females in this town. So it's just that's that's all there is. Go get it. Nineteen percent agriculture forestry, which it's usually like one percent. That's way up there. Fifteen percent manufacturing. Not easy work here.

This is not a lot. You're literally keeping the town together. Yeah, there's not. Yeah. With a hammer and nails. Not a lot of... You're literally keeping the town together. Yeah, with a hammer and nails. Right. With a hatchet. Notching logs. Not a lot of easy living here.

You become a resident and they give you a fucking hatchet. Absolutely. Keep the shit together. Cost of living in this town, 100 being par average regular, here it's about 77. But housing is insanely low. The median home cost here is $22,975. That is amazing. That's just ridiculous.

You could buy one with a credit card. You could buy a... Well, let's find out. If you want to buy, if you have a little room on your credit card, you're looking to move somewhere, we have for you the GuideRock Nebraska Real Estate Report. the Guide Rock, Nebraska Real Estate Report. Your average rental here

is about $507. Why would you? Yeah, what's the point? I found, I mean, this first one, it's rough. Don't get me wrong, but Jesus, if you put 10 grand into it,

two bedroom, one bath, 1,420 square foot place, $7,000. It's $7,000. You have to be kidding me. It's like a 2006 Camry. It's the same price as that. You can't get a 10 year old Honda Accord for $7,000. That's crazy.

That's crazy. You can't get anything that's worth anything. That's hilarious. It's a frame. It's a car a house right that's a it's a fucking house with a door i mean it's it's not great it's not it's not it's not it's not a chandelier like oh the i like the backsplash like it's none of that shit but it's walk there look out and go seven grand really all right it's crazy uh found a three bedroom one bath 1296 square foot house.

This one's actually livable. You could move right into it. 53 grand. Move right in. It's fine. Then I found a four bedroom, one and a half bath, 1,738 square foot house. It's a real house. And it's a house.

I mean, it's like out of date and shit, but 30 grand. It's 30 grand. That's our mansion mansion that's the house yeah stretch your legs everybody enjoy holy trade in your suv and buy that instead i'd like to trade my car for this house please that's 100 comical there's nothing not funny about all things awesome it's crazy speaking of funny things to do yeah uh stare at the hill yeah and stare at the rock there which really just looks like a hill now count your leftover money because you bought a house for seven grand do some renovation work around your shithole house

that you bought for seven grand also the rockin g arena horse show you bastards woohoo sunday june 17th it was this year it's every Father's Day and they're also thinking about next year quote this is from the Facebook group here quote I am also thinking about having a 4d barrel slash pole jackpot Saturday the 16th please let me know if anyone would be interested in doing that hoping for it to be approved by some shit I don't know uh you got to get there at 7 45 a.m to register yeah for some shit but uh do that 4d barrel rolling what was it i don't know i don't know 4d barrel slash pole jackpot that what is that i have no idea what that is whatsoever but they see there's no explanation it's a barrel pole pole or pole pole p-o-l-L-E. What the fuck is that? A barrel slash pole jackpot.

All right. If you can't do the barrel pocket, girls, get on that pole. Put money at the top of a pole and you have to try to climb it, like a greased pole, and they go, let's just watch these people try to climb it. Look at that boy fall. He fell right on another fellow's head. That's hilarious. That would watch.

That would be funny. So, yeah, the judge for something here for the horse show is Dave Burt. Yeah. So look out for him. I don't know who that is, but they were prominently displayed. Judge is Dave Burt. So it's like, oh. He knows his fucking horse.

Hey, boy, I'll said that. Crime rate in this town is property crime is just low. It's just so low. There's nobody to steal anybody and no one has anything to steal. Violent crime, murder, rape, robbery and assault. The Mount the mount rushmore of crime it's fucking low it's just low there's nobody fucks with anybody there's not enough people if you kill tom everyone's like you were the only one with time there's nobody else here it's just you and tom no one else could have killed tom so yeah but according to uh some research i found here, there's five registered sex offenders living in this tiny town.

My word. Five, which makes it a 41 to 1 ratio of sex offenders. And that is much too high. It's way too high. Yeah, last week it was 205 to 1, and we were concerned about that. 41 to 1. That would be bananas in a fucking city like L.A. Every time you go to a movie, someone in there is a kid diddler or some sort of sex offender.

I don't know. I automatically think of that. That's amazing. And I found in Guide Rock compared to Nebraska state average is, and these are stats on it, below average and median income, significantly below average in in uh in house value uh significantly lower low uh percentage of any sort of minorities at all or any sort of foreign born population uh rental rates are significantly low length of stay since moving are well above state average so people just get stuck there forever houses are older significantly than the state average. Basically, every positive thing is negative.

Everything that shows growth is negative. It's all negative growth-wise is what I'm getting at here. And it's number five in Nebraska, number 59 on the list of top 100 cities with oldest houses, and number 37 on the list of top 101 counties in America with the highest number of deaths per 1 000 residents from 2007 to 2013 so very encouraging yeah statistics here for this town sucks this town is it's it's it's just dying it's just it's just a gasp of a town you can

literally go and it's like an old man's fart. It's just kind of like... It's just fizzling out. Yeah, it sort of smells, but it's just kind of like crackers. You can go sit on the town square steps and just watch the town die all day long. Watch it disintegrate. Oh, that fell down.

Okay. Oh, Herb died. Did you hear that? There's a nail falling out of that house. Cross off the population sign on the way into town on the welcome sign. Rolling it back. Take Herb off the board. Are we going to retire Herb?

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apple podcasts surprisingly enough yeah i said somehow somebody figured it out someone figured this shit out let's talk about some people that figured it out, some people involved. Let's start out with a woman. Let's talk about a lady. Let's talk about Shelly Lynn Budziak. Yeah. Okay, B-U-D-Z-I-A-K, Budziak. Shelly Lynn Budziak. Highfalutin name for this town.

Oh, yeah, she's not a highfalutin lady as we're talking about. Shelly Lynn with that last name. She's not born here. No. She's from, she's lived in pennsylvania at rural pennsylvania and rural uh tennessee are her main stomping grounds hell yeah and then she'll come to this town later but we'll talk about this here she's born in 1972 she moves about 2011 she decides to move to guide rock uh which is a strange decision for anybody i'm gonna move to that town

for what nobody talked her out of it she doesn't have any friends she wanted a seven thousand dollar house she's like look i got 10 grand and i need a house i want to own it outright i'm no payment i got 10 grand i want to be a home owner not even a fucking no mortgage nothing no i'm not paid off partners with no damn bank and i got three grand over. That's like 15 years of property taxes. Yeah, here. I can't imagine they would. If your house costs seven grand, what can the property tax be? 50 bucks a year, do you think?

I don't even know how it could be that. I don't even know how it could be 50 bucks a year for 7,000. Two bits a month. Yeah. Do you have to bring like a tray of muffins to the county assessor or some shit? I don't know what you have to do here. Yeah, you'll wash somebody's car or something. That's what I'm saying.

What do you do? I mowed your lawn, Pete. Thank you. So I think we're square for the next five years, right? We're square on the taxes, right? Yeah, that's no problem. Hold on a minute. I'm going to clean your gutter.

My water bill's overdue. I'm just going to clean the gutters and figure... I'm going to take care of that for a year. Call it even. Call it even call it even fucking weird so doing odd jobs that's hilarious so fucked up so strange so uh she shelly is uh shelly's an interesting lady here uh shelly uh she's born in 1972 like like we said uh she has a son pretty young yeah she has a son uh around 20 19 20 years old a son named andrew uh uh this is about early 90s late 80s she gets married at some point and changes her name to casterline so she becomes shelly lynn casterline so we'll call her shelly casterline

for the rest of the show and she has a son named andrew casterline and uh as we'll talk about she has a very uh spotty record criminal wise and everything else so andrew coming up had some some things going on with his mom and stuff like that and so finally she gets out of prison in about 2011-ish and decides to take her son, who's now about 20 years old, and move to Guide Rock, Nebraska to start a new life.

Starting over. Yeah. Right here at the big city. She's like Mary Tyler Moore going, you're going to make it after all, sweetheart. You can do it.

I don't know what she's fucking doing here, but she moves there. She has quite a criminal record. Would you like to talk about it? I would love to know this. What landed her ass in prison? Well, any of these things. Let's see.

Let's start out in 1997, which is kind of the beginning of mainly most of her documented problems here. On April 6th of 1997, charge of theft and theft by unlawful taking movable property. So that could be a car, something like that. Could be a TV. Yeah. April 16th, 1997, which is literally 10 days later, receiving stolen property. Two counts of that. April 16th, 1998, the anniversary of getting arrested the last time.

Criminal mischief. January 31st, 2002. Acquiring or possession of controlled substances through subscription with misrepresentation. So it's prescription fraud. Two counts of that. March 4th, 2004. Theft by deception. False impression. Bad checks also that day.

April 8th, 2004. Retail theft. Taking merchandise. May 17th, 2004. Theft by deception. False impression. Forgery. May 20th, 2004, retail theft, taking merchandise. May 17th, 2004, theft by deception, false impression, forgery. May 20th, 2004, theft by unlawful taking of movable property, receiving stolen property, accessing a device used to obtain property or services without the permission of some shit. Who knows?

A bank account. Yeah, something like that. It sounds like she's not gainfully employed enough to the lifestyle that she wants to live. Well, the lifestyle she wants to live has to do with a lot of pills and prescription drugs. July 14, 2004. Theft by deception. False impression. Four counts of that.

Five counts of identity theft. Five counts of forgery. Five counts of bad checks. That's all pills. That's all pills. July 21, 2004. Theft by deception false impression identity theft forgery bad checks july 22nd 2004 theft by deception times two

two counts of identity theft two counts of bad checks two counts of forgery august 25th 2004 what theft by deception false impression identity theft bad checks forgery january 23rd 2005 accessing device issued to another who did not authorize use, two counts of that, criminal conspiracy in engaging to access device used to obtain or obtain property services, like we said before, theft by unlawful taking, movable property, September 11, 2005. What the fuck? Theft by unlawful taking, movable property, forgery, acquiring or possessing controlled substance through subscription misrepresentation.

October 30th, 2005. Disregarding traffic lane, reckless driving, criminal mischief, recklessly endangering another person, unauthorized use of a motor vehicle, motor slash other vehicle. This could have been a tractor. Could have been a jet ski. It could have been a jet ski down the highway. It could have been literally fucking any. I could see her. It could have been a tractor could have been a jet ski it could have been a jet ski down the highway it could have been as crazy as this woman sounds fucking any i could see her fan boat it could have been she could have been dragging behind a pickup truck in a toboggan for all we know

just for the fun of it we have no idea but here's the question here's why uh prescription pills are such a fucking problem in this country they have not either thrown her in jail or put her in a program no and maybe you know what to to their credit she may not have fucking adhered to any of it but the point is she's not doing anything to make herself get a better life she's just fucking jumping right back into it through all this she has like a you know a kid as we talked about her son's born in like 1990 so this is like mom when you're 7 8 10 12 13 years old this is mom uh doing this may 31st 2008 four counts of forgery uh march 4 2009 she has a court date for a fugitive warrant in davidson

county tennessee and that ends up sending her to prison because she was a fugitive on a bunch of shit that she skipped out on court for i don't know 50 counts of forgery and bad checks for the past 10 years for 10 years and that there was a little bit more too i just did the overview she's like eminem's mom yeah this andrew castor line should have been eminem yeah if he had any talent kid should have been b rabbit he was pissed he's like fuck i damn spaghetti i said that i'm 10 years too late for the shit fuck mom you can't even do that right. Can't even have me in time to beat Eminem to the punch.

God damn it. Eminem wasn't even as broke as we are. I got ketchup on noodles. That's Mom's spaghetti. Yeah, how broke I am. Jesus. Yeah, he would like that probably. I think that's a plus for Andrew, sounds like.

She gives him fucking Valium for dinner. Here, honey, i got some pills today and she just puts them on a plate he's like okay tries to break them in half to make them last longer he's not quite as hungry tells him it's like willy wonka swallow it it's just it's a whole it's a whole 13 course meal you'll feel amazing when you're done you'll taste turkey and fucking salad and shit or you'll just be sleeping in five minutes and then you won't be complaining anymore that you taste it either or so they move uh like i said she was bouncing around all these charges were in like wilkes bear uh wilkes bar uh pennsylvania in that area davidson county can tennessee a lot

uh shelly finally though she gets out of prison she's going to go to guide rock nebraska to start over and what an opportunity that is especially for her young son who's you know in his early 20s you figure you live in guide rock the world is your oyster at that age there's big companies to work for lots of school to take advantage of all the things all the wonders i'm sure too 20 year old girls just everywhere hot fucking hanging out all over the place you they could try tell you how many girls are in his age range and it's like four of them you could probably tell us that's what i mean i think i could just look it up i do i was gonna say uh we're just gonna run down uh dresses and phone numbers and fuck it you guys can give these people a call.

So Shelly, she gets out. She had a relationship with, she's not, by the way, Andrew's not her only child, obviously. What? She also has twin daughters as well. What the fuck? She has more kids. Come on. She has three mouths to feed?

Yeah, I think she's got another one actually too. But the ones I'm positive of are Andrew and twin daughters. Now, Andrew is, Andrew has of are andrew and twin daughters now uh andrew uh is andrew has a different father than the twin daughters obviously uh this is small town murder no no one has the same father on small town murder why would they so yeah shelly i mean that's fine and all but it's just a coincidence it always happens that way so shelly maintained what they call an on again off again type of relationship basically a fucking rocky yeah back and forth terrible relationship with the father of her twin daughters right i love you no you don't no you don't they fight they break up they move to

tennessee they get arrested for felonies they end up back with each other you know how it goes the normal cycle jimmy how many times have you been in a relationship with a chick and you know it's gone it's off and you like her you don't she's in prison for a while she gets out you know she's you know how it goes comes back to smack me awake so fucking it's just love it's almost cliche at this point goddamn cupid with his fucking arrows it is man so maybe he was playing the the prisoner dating game with us and that was the problem there so i guess uh caster line here, Andrew and Shelly, they both move in with the father of the twin daughters. His name is Ronald Jemelowski.

Hell yeah. Yes, Ronald Jemelowski is the name of him, which sounds like somebody in Space Jam. This is Ronald Jemelowski, and it looks like somebody in a space in space jam this is ronald jamalowski and it looks like detlef shrimp he's got like a blonde mullet and jordan's got a dunk over him ronald jamalowski he's like iron curtain like ivan drago of basketball basically i have ronald jamalowski I have Ronald Jamilowski. Ding Dong is the last two syllables of that last name. Pretty much. Jamilowski Ding Dong.

Jamilowski Ding Dong. Ronald Jamilowski Ding Dong. It's like a Primus song. Like if Primus made songs in the 50s? Yeah. Early 60s. Or if they threw a nasty guitar riff behind that. That would be great.

That'd be a hit for them. Have twins go to day jail. Jam-a-lam. Jam-a-lam-a-whiskey-ding-dong. Whiskey. Jam-a-lam-a-whiskey. Jam-a-lam-a-whiskey-ding-dong. I will name my dog that.

If I get a dog, I'm going to name it Jam-a-las-a-whiskey-ding-dong. I will name my dog that. If I get a dog, I'm going to name it Jam-a-las- That's great. If you have a ski at the end of your name, just call yourself Whiskey, whatever it is. Jam-a-lam-a-whiskey-ding-dong. Fucking ridiculous. Oh, God. This story's already ridiculous, so I don't know what you want from me. Jam-a-lam-a-whiskey.

this story's already ridiculous so i don't know what you want from me jamalama whiskey so uh so yeah andrew and shelly moved in with old jamalama whiskey here jamalama whisky ding dong it's so fun for a few months yeah they live with him for a few months so right away not not great we're talking small quarters and uh and uh uh also i'll tell you this after a few months it's she ends up moving out but moving next door because he owned they own the family owned that house too because you know why didn't she just move there in the first because they were trying to make it they were on again off again relationship and an off again thing he said go go next door so get out and i will she she moved next door to the property that jamalama whiskey ding dong owned yeah whiskey

ding dong is definitely a thing i know that whiskey ding dong jamalama whiskey we really put a fucking we really put a title on this guy he has nothing to do with anything so far so also jamalama whiskey ding dong's mother, Virginia Barone, lives right there also. She lives like in one house over this way. So she's got a different last name than her son, too. Than her son, too, obviously. Nobody's got it. Ladies and gentlemen, small-town murder is never...

Nobody has the same last name. No, whereas I don't either, and neither do you. So we're not judging. Trust us. Believe me, that's my life. It's the way it is. Believe me, that's my life. It's just funny that it never seems to work out that way. I took my stepdad's last name for like eight months until my mom divorced that fucking guy.

Like, Jesus Christ. How am I supposed to do that? Last name, Eschenbaugh. That is the worst last name in the world to have. It's too long. Petrogallo. But listen, if I would have kept that last name, we would have been Eshenbaugh and Petra Gallo, two of the worst names to tackle any sort of Hollywood with.

Nobody would have. Yeah, nobody would. Well, they'll never find us. God damn it. Forget those guys. I don't know how to spell anything. It's hard enough as it is. Jesus Christ.

I noticed, though, on this show, whenever we have multiple members of families in different relationships, all living on the same property, even in different. That's never good. It's never fucking good. It ends terribly. You need your own space from people. Space is what keeps people sane. It keeps people together.

Yeah. I don't understand how you could do this. And especially family like strangers. You can live near strangers in an apartment complex and everything gets... You don't have to talk to them. It usually goes along. This is your ex boyfriend who's the mother of your twin kids and you guys have been fighting and then his mom lives right there. You know too much

about each other. The whole thing's a disaster. This isn't like, you know, brother and sister live next door. This is like a bad relationship. You've got ammo in arguments. Oh, it's terrible. So apparently not surprisingly the relationship between all of these people uh shirley uh shelly caster line andrew caster line jamalama whiskey ding dong and his mom uh jenny i think they called her uh uh barone were this was

a shit was volatile yeah they were always fighting sure they're always yelling at each other out the window and this one comes out and he goes back up the porch and this one comes over here white trash action just going on in the yard i mean there's always people when families are yelling at each other in the yard that's trashy shit i'm sorry you keep take your shit inside and yell at everyone yells at each other such a your doors like normal people. Do it inside. Have some fucking pride here. Jesus Christ. Yeah. Christ almighty. So they saw each other constantly too.

That's the other thing. There's not like you didn't see this one for two weeks. They're always there. This one lives right next door. She lives right across the way. There's no way to avoid these people. And if you see someone five times a day and you never get along,

that's bad. It's a good indicator that you're probably never going to fix it. Yeah. So Shelly and Jam-O-Lama Whiskey Ding Dong kept trying to rekindle their relationship. They kept trying to. It's fucking amazing. But he's the father of two of the kids. Two of the kids.

But none of them are here. Oh, really? Those kids aren't involved in this at all. The girls don't even do... No, the girls... we don't know what's going on what the fuck who knows who knows where they are let's hope it's the custody of somebody who is better than these two ward of the state is a safe i was gonna say at this point it's really uh is there is there a humane society nearby because i think that would probably be fine compared to this disaster that's going on here. Oh, you don't mean euthanize them.

No, no, no. I mean, I think. In my head, I'm like, Jesus, James, that's dark. I didn't say the pound. I said the humane society. They'll bring them in, clean them up a little, put them in a cage, put a bow around their collar and get them adopted out. That's what I'm talking about.

I'm terrible. I'm like, yeah, let's kill them. Yeah, give me some shots. I mean, if it comes to that, I mean, I don't know how long they have to adopt him, but that's fine. It's a good point. If it comes to that, but we can try and adopt him out first. I don't know.

Instead, hose him down, put a red ribbon on their collar so they look fucking frisky. So they look cute? Look at him. Ain't he friendly? Look at that. He's biting me. Yeah, but he's got a ribbon on his collar. Did you see the bow?

It's a bow. Isn't that cute, though? I think you're going to like that. So they kept trying to do this. So they kept trying to rekindle the relationship. They would fight and argue, and then she would go back to her fucking house next door, and they'd see each other and fight and argue.

This would get into physical altercations on both of their parts, too. Not that this is ever okay for either one, but he would... Jam-O-Lam-O-Whis jam a lamb a whiskey ding dong is a heavy drinker yeah uh she likes her prescription drugs a lot so when you mix these two things together right and they have a volatile relationship anyway you end up with fighting and uh he'll get drunk and smack her and he'll be passed out she'll come over and wail on fucking him for no it's just it's bad

mixture these two are a bad cocktail so she doesn't even feel the punches anyway when she's throwing them back and she's like i said it's like a bitch i'm not saying this is you know excusing any domestic abuse either way but this is two people that are actively participating in it together and it's just terrible so they're both abusing each other it's like they need to both get the fuck away from each other here but instead let's live next door yeah and then try try again every once in a while try tomorrow yeah uh shelly and virginia barone fought even more so her and his mother they fought fucking constantly him uh her mother 68 years old virginia barone constantly fought about money uh about you know who's paying the bills on this is she paying rent Is this one paying an electric bill?

And it's a lot of money stuff. And also about Shelley's relationship with Jam-O-Lam and Whiskey Ding-Dong. That's a problem also because Barone does not approve of their relationship. Of course not. Which, it's too late now. They have twin children at this point. They're tied together forever. It doesn't really matter.

Only say two years. They got kind of out of the barn already though you know what are we doing here i mean what once that you can't get a more uncrit you can't uncrack an egg you know what i'm saying this is they have twins yucks out i'm not sure about this well too late too fucking late now you want them scrambled or not because i can do that we'll take them to the humane society got a few seconds humane society or pound which one are we going here with these so yeah so they would fight about money and everything uh virginia barone did not approve and was not shy about this at all at all either and andrew castor line would also get into uh arguments with his mother so andrew and but shelly is the cog in all this there's fights going on and shelly is involved in all of them she's the big one that's spinning and

there's little ones spinning all around her she fights with jamalama whiskey dick he fights uh she fights with her son she fights with the mother she's the one she has problems with everybody yeah and then they kind of have problems back and forth but mainly about her sure so it's it's it's not great shelly's a bad to have around and if i'm virginia barone i'm like i don't this i didn't have twins with this fucking lady i gotta live right by her right i mean if they don't like her you know what i mean but uh then again also her son is also an asshole because what kind of fucking mother is she raising a son who fucking hits women so yeah you know i'm saying that's a good point the whole thing's a disaster what have you done virginia that's right the whole thing's a fucking mess so uh yeah andrew getting fights with his mother and he is known to hate uh whiskey

dick of course bad fucking hates whiskey ding dong hardcore so uh october 3rd 2013 uh kind of snapshot of this whole thing here this is during the early evening october 3rd 2013 andrew uh goes to hastings nebraska uh to run errands with his friend trevor uh merrihew he lived across the street from uh from this cabal of fucking weirdness he this kid this other guy lives across the street marahue's watching the shit through windows he's just watching it i don't know just sipping on his paps just i don't know this is i'm glad they canceled my cable you know what you know what i'm glad because this is much more of the entertaining this is like live pd i get cops in here it's gonna be a horror show

eventually i could figure that out. So, yeah, he lives across the street from this mess. And lucky Andrew found a fucking friend across the street in a town of 10 people. Yeah, no kidding. He's lucky, honestly. That's, oh, man. They take Mary Hugh's vehicle because Andrew's is broken down. Of course. Because, you know, just because.

Because they don't have any money to fix anything. Because small town murder. It's just broken down. So both Andrew and Mary Hugh were totally hardcore into prescription medication. They were both abusing pills very badly. And during this trip to Hastings, Mary Hugh ends up getting arrested for driving under the influence of prescription drugs. What the fuck? Somewhere along this. Mary Hugh got arrested?

Yeah, his neighbor there got arrested because they were both driving and he was the one fucked up driving all out all whacked out on pills so uh yeah that's what ends up happening there so uh about 3 a.m the next day andrew calls shelly and says that he needs a ride home from hastings because his friend's in jail yeah that's just's just what happened. He's in jail. I'm fucked up too. They're not going to let me take the car. So Shelly woke up Jam-A-Lama Whiskey Dong, Ding Dong, and Virginia Barone

because Virginia was the only one with a working car out of everybody in this cabal. This is fucking four adults, one working car between them. No. Fuck no. Oh, that's terrible. That is too little car. That's one wheel car between them. No. Fuck no. Oh, that's terrible. That is too little cars.

One wheel per person. Not enough. That's a terrible ratio. It's a bad ratio. You need at least a four wheel to one person ratio here. It's two. I'll give you two people even. You can share one, but four people cannot share one car.

That's the thing. I understand 1942. This is the other thing I was going to get into every once in a while in our show we have this thing where we're like forget about what years we're talking about what year does it sound like we're talking about not 2013 right four adults with one working vehicle between them that sounds like the late 70s maybe like yeah at earliest tough times that's the most recent why i have more than one car with the gas lines and all like that's what it would be what with the gas lines

what the fuck unbelievable jesus christ man so yeah uh so they have to wake up now imagine this she this virginia lady hates shelly i'm it doesn't give two shits about her shitty kid who has nothing to do with it. No, about Shelly's kid. Yeah. And at this point, she's tired of her son, too. Yeah. And she gets calls to wake up at 3 a.m. to drive to another town to pick up this lady's pillhead fucking son whose buddy got arrested for being trashed while driving. If you're a 68-year-old woman, you're like, you know what?

No. This is why people move to Florida when they're old. You know what I'm saying? This is why they go there. Nobody likes Florida. No. We don't want to live there. Just to get away from you fucking people before you drain the life force out of us.

It's what it is. It's the old people arguing. So they have to do this. They do. Virginia goes. She's apparently going along with the flow here. Jesus Christ. On the way back to Guide going along with the flow here. Jesus Christ. On the way back to Guide Rock in the car.

Okay. Virginia driving. I've got to set the scene here. Virginia driving. Shelly in the front seat. Andrew, the son in the back seat. And Jamalama Whiskey Ding Dong with him in the back seat. Men in the back, ladies in the front.

Got it. Okay. And grandma's driving. And grandma driving. Oh, boy. She is chatting. And she's not not happy it's the middle of the night yeah well everybody's not happy uh apparently a fist fight breaks out in the backseat in the car in the car now this is awesome ding dong and andrew whiskey ding dong and andrew are throwing

down in the backseat close quarters they're in a backseat of a car it's a pontiac yeah it's not a oh really it's not a limo she has a pontiac i think grand prix okay this lady that's a tiny back it's not a big back seat and they're really cocked back that's what i was thinking in a window it's like kramer and frankestanza trying to play pool in his extra room there it's not gonna work it's like they can't cock back so it's basically little blows and then like a headlock and you're pulling a jacket over someone's head it's a fucking plastic robot yeah it it's basically little blows and then like a headlock and you're pulling a jacket over someone's head. It's a fucking plastic robot. It's rock them, sock them, and then mixed with the grabbing and pulling.

And you can't. What is the goal? To throw someone out of the car? You can't hurt someone in that close. It's a two-door coupe. It's ridiculous. Yes, the other thing. Put your seat up.

Move your seat up. I'm pushing your son onto the road while we move. What is the point here it's ridiculous so that's going on in the back seat while that starts in the back seat rather than try to break it up shelly and virginia start fucking bickering and arguing and going back and forth and fighting and jabbering it's your fault bitch that's what they're doing they're going well your fucking son if we didn't have to go pick him up at two in the wall your goddamn drunk ass fucking son here he can't that's hilarious they're doing. They're going, well, your fucking son, if we didn't have to go pick him up at two in the wall, your goddamn drunk ass fucking son here. He can't. That's hilarious.

They're mothering. That, that, that, that. Well, they're fist fighting, but no one's breaking anything up. See what's happening? Your boy's a pussy. You know what this whole area needs? One voice of reason. They need one guy to go, stop now.

You fucking people are a disaster! What the fuck? What the fuck is wrong with you? Jesus Christ! That's what I should do with my life. If we're ever done doing this, that's going to be my goal. James, on Thanksgiving, you will be booked up. What the fuck is wrong with you people?

Jesus Christ! You'll have five dinners to go to. I swear to God, I'd be so good at this. fuck is wrong with you people? Jesus Christ. You'll have five dinners to go to. I swear to God, I'd be so good at this. You know what else I'd be really good at? For some reason, you know this. You're my friend. When people come to me with a problem. You seem real surprised right there.

No, it's just I remember. You're my friend. You've known me. You've known me for years. When people come to me with a problem problem like oh i don't know about doing this i'm really good at fucking breaking through the bullshit and yelling at them and telling them in a way that they don't get offended by it where they go yeah it's a weird talent it's my only talent in life i don't know what it is i've said things to you that common sense where

you're just in the moment i don't have the thought process so weird standing outside i'm affected by emotion so i'm like james this happened you're like why the fuck would you do that you know what you're right it's weird but i think people could hide like rent me to tell their friends that they're being stupid it's called the the business is called oh that sounds terrible that's terrible no the business is called, oh, that sounds terrible. That sounds terrible. No, the business is called, what the fuck are you doing? What are you doing? That sounds terrible. That's what it is when everybody goes, James, should I do this?

And then you just go, that sounds terrible. That sounds terrible. Back to one. Let's start. What the fuck are you talking about, first of all? Why would you do this? There's very few things that are worth doing. If you break it down logically, people go, you know what there's very few things that are worth doing if

you break it down logically people go you know why you're right about that it's a weird thing i don't know why i'm doing that i've convinced people that they should fucking break up with people that are terrible for them everything where i'm just like enough you dumb shit if you say it clearly enough they go wow that's really no one ever put it like that gusto they go you know what this is affecting my life negatively that's your damn right i'm a half decent comic i'm convincing holy shit oh man so could never be a salesman yeah but i could yell at you for things that's because you don't you don't believe in the product it'd be when you believe in the product like go fuck yourself you believe in that i could be a great reverse salesman. I could talk people out of buying shit.

You don't fucking need that. What are you doing? What are you, an asshole? You can stand at, like, any store and just, well, somebody's trying to buy something. You grab the pamphlet and you start reading through it and you hand it back to them and you go, that sounds terrible. That sounds terrible. You don't want that.

The fuck are you doing? I want to start a Twitter account that's called that sounds terrible and you can tweet me shit and i'll just yell at your friend for you let's start with that that sounds terrible is that available i'm gonna look it up right i really hope that's gonna ruin this whole show if it's not i really really want that. That sounds terrible. This whole portion of the show is going to eat dicks if that's not available. That sounds terrible. I don't think it's taken. I think I'm good.

You got it? I think I'm going to be that sounds terrible. That sounds terrible. There we go. Someone needs to come in and go, stop. Right. You people are fucking stupid. Stop fighting in the car.

What the fuck are you thinking? You can't even throw punches. Stop it. You too can't throw. But what are you? Break that up. There's a physical altercation going on. Break that up, then argue.

What the fuck is wrong with you guys? So these people are idiots, obviously. So at one point, Jesus Christ almighty. So at one point, Jesus Christ almighty, at one point, Virginia Barone pulls over and tries to forcibly push Shelly out of the car. Wow. That's where we're going. That's her solution? Her solution is to pull over, not stop.

Right. Pull over, slow down, and try to fucking shove Shelly physically from the car as Shelly hangs on and her son and mother of her two children exchange blows in the backseat. Husband. Father of their two children. What did I say? Husband. We said what? Same thing. Who cares at this point with this mess?

The one that helped. Product of this guy's shitty loins. This is what's happening in the backseat. What a fucking mess. If you could see, if aliens were looking from space and saw this, they go,'re skipping that planet no fucking thank you so is that a grand what is happening inside that car jesus we'll wait till that's over and then we'll go down so they all end up somehow this ends up being uh resolved to the point where they're able to finish the ride at least and go back to guide rock everybody goes back to their respective houses so three different four people branch into three different houses

just after 9 a.m uh um uh um uh andrew yeah is i wanted to call him anthony for some reason i was like anthony andrew casterline the next day is seen seen at a bank in Superior, Nebraska, using, by the camera equipment, turns out to be Virginia Barone's ATM card. Oh. At a bank the next morning, 9 a.m. So that is interesting. A bank employee went outside to service the ATM and saw him standing there and there was an older white or light-colored pontiac parked nearby so uh she uh she later you know she knew it was andrew castor line and she said that there was a uh a middle-aged woman sitting in the passenger seat uh who fit the

description of shelly yeah and there was a bunch of things in the car uh a guitar case and shit like that like you could see through the window okay that's all she said and also she said that was that uh uh that andrew acted he definitely tried to kind of obfuscate the whole thing okay a little bit he was trying to hide the yeah he was trying to got the money that he's got he was trying to kind of just turn away from her and just try to act like he wasn't there's 200 people in this town i'm gonna be noticed yeah so after about five minutes uh this the bank employee said that the woman who was in this in the car got out and spoke to andrew and then they both got into the vehicle and drove away so that was how that went there's a transaction history for virginia barone's account that confirmed several

transactions occurred uh that morning a debit uh balance inquiry at 9 18 a.m which is this time right here how much can i steal followed by a withdrawal of 500 at 9 19 a.m that's probably the limit for the day and what you can grab out of your atm and uh there was there were several more attempted withdrawals over the next couple minutes, but they were denied because there's a $500 daily withdrawal. So they didn't apparently ever deal with banking, these two. The employee explained that you had to have, obviously,

the PIN number for the card. So anybody using a card at the ATM, they assume if they have the PIN number, they're probably authorized to use the card because otherwise, how the fuck would they know the PIN number, they're probably authorized to use the card. Yeah. Because otherwise, how the fuck would they know the PIN number? Right. Which is a reason of,

that's why there's PIN numbers. Which is the whole purpose of them. That's the purpose of it. So, yeah. And the PIN number is not retained by the bank. They said, this bank destroys your PIN.

They don't know your PIN. That's interesting. So they can reset your PIN for you and you can do that, but they can't tell you your PIN because they don't know it. Got it. Which makes sense.

That's great. Why would you have a list of everybody's PIN number? That seems like information that anybody would love to steal so why would you want that on hand yeah it's just silly so uh if somebody loses their pin the card must be canceled and the new card must be ordered it's not possible for them to retrieve a pin like i said so throughout that day andrew and shelly stopped at various places to get more money, including the Walmart store in Hastings, Grand Island and Grand Island and New York, Nebraska. Three different Walmarts? Three different Walmarts in a three-town radius where they used Virginia Barone's debit card to make a bunch of small purchases and got a bunch of cash back with debit.

Because you can do that. That doesn't count as ATM withdrawal. Trick for all you card stealing hacks. Up to $40. Well, you can get like $100 at Walmart. Gas stations are like $40 usually. But yeah, big stores will give you whatever the fuck you want usually.

Between the purchases and the withdrawals, Andrew and Shelly stole more than $2,000 at this point so far well we don't know stole but probably stole you know i can't imagine she'd be like you know what y'all had a tough night i think you should go on a spending spree here's my card pin numbers right here no no no no whatever y'all want first get a bunch of cash just so you feel comfortable yeah you know y'all might want to stop somewhere you might want to buy some drugs or something like that so i don't want to hold y'all back.

Then from there, just debit everything you want. I just see Shelly and Mrs. Barone in the front seat betting on who's winning back there. Yeah. And it sounds like Andrew won. I was going to say. So he got the debit card. I think Virginia lost his bet here. So over $2,000 and nearly emptied her bank account.

At 1.30 p.m., they stopped at a pawn shop in Grand Island and sold several things, including a TV, a video game system with 13 games, and a guitar amp, which they got $309 for. A TV, a video game system, 13 games, and an amp, $309. Don't go to a pawn shop and sell shit. They are making out like bandits. Just set it on fire. It's the same money. You'll get it.

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by joining Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts. So they end up, they are traveling in the white Pontiac, Shelly and Andrew, on Interstate 80 near Plattsmouth, Plattsmouth, whatever the fuck you say it nebraska and uh they're stopped at 7 40 p.m for a traffic violation can anybody drive no one day without

getting pulled over i don't understand this who gets pulled over every day that's a good point every day yeah jesus christ dude i mean fuck me you could be a black guy in the 60s in Beverly Hills driving around. You wouldn't get pulled over every day. A couple times a week. Yeah. Three times a week, probably, but not every day. These people get pulled over every day. What is wrong with them?

So much for white privilege in Nebraska. Well, white privilege, not white trash privilege. It's different. white privilege not white trash privilege it's different i don't think there's anybody that looks upon them with racial superiority this particular clan i don't think you can get the clansmen and they'll be like that's not what we mean that's not a good example we don't mean them that's they're a separate thing that we not you can you put them in jail you're not invited don't confuse us for them ain't invited to the burning sorry it turned away from a clan rally that's how shitty from a cross burning jesus christ so uh the officer who made the stop

he says that andrew appeared to be under the influence of prescription drugs which he always is under the influence of prescription drugs. He also observed that Andrew's nails were dirty and he had several nicks and cuts all over his hands. You know, like junkies do when they're doing shit like that. So Andrew told this officer that the vehicle belonged to his grandmother and that she was letting him borrow it to go to his grandfather's funeral in Pennsylvania. Poor guy. That's funeral in Pennsylvania. Poor guy. That's a long drive. Poor grandfather died and now he's got to drive all the way there and his borrowed Pontiac.

His grandma hates him and refuses to go. She won't go to the funeral. No, she's too ill, obviously. She's old. Very elderly. Very elderly. Even though he's 20 years old. Very elderly.

Just too elderly to move. She can't travel. So the cop says, really? really well you can't be on prescription medication while you're doing that so tell you what you're gonna miss grandpa's funeral let's cuff you up and take you in for uh driving under the influence and so he does he's taken to the jail there shelly's released because she wasn't driving but the vehicle is impounded because shelly doesn't have a valid driver's license. So she can't drive away the vehicle. So this vehicle, it's not even theirs, is now impounded.

And he's in jail. And they're like, fuck, now what happens here? So Andrew and Shelly, once Shelly gets him bonded out of jail, she gets him out of jail. They are escorted by a state patrolman and checked into the Fitzgerald Hotel around midnight in that area like they say go go here right uh you know once you know you can go here and go to this hotel and we'll let you drive there and whatever so they go there about midnight the hotel manager said that they paid

cash uh something they said the hotel would not accept cash normally from anybody they don't know right literally the guy said wouldn't usually do that from out-of-towners. Unless it's somebody I know from down around the coffee shop. I don't want to take their cash. Plus, it's Bill with his hookers. I mean, the mayor comes in here with them prostitutes from the city all the time. Can't have that shit being tracked. Well, they're black girls.

Obviously, that would look bad politically. You know what I mean? Not in this town. You know how it is. Jeez. Oof.ez oof can't take them to the man's got his proclivities what do you want from me i ain't gonna judge him so yeah he says uh but since the since the policeman brought them there and said fucking give these to a room yeah the guy said i guess i'll take their cash because normally it's an identification thing, whatever. So the next morning, though, this hotel manager says that he and his staff were super suspicious of the caster lines because all around the room, quote, reeked of cigarette smoke and there's no smoking allowed in the hotel. So at one point, they also asked directions how to get to I-80 eastbound.

So as soon as they checked out, the staff entered the room and found cigarettes burning on the carpet. Wow. Like cigarettes. They just flick them on the ground? Lit cigarettes on the carpet, like smoldering in the carpet. Jesus. And the room in disarray. Now, what he thought is, the manager of the hotel, this guy is thinking, he says he thought

they were trying to set off a fire alarm so they could steal a car. That's what he, or break into cars while people were distracted by that. Clever. Which is, but I think it would be more clever to steal shit while they're in their rooms rather than standing outside by their cars. Right. Which seems like an odd plan, but he's thinking anyway. He's got a hunch.

He's got something. So he does manage the fucking hotel in a tiny town in Nebraska. So he's probably, you know, of average anyway of intelligence here. He's not going to be the greatest detective on Earth. We'll say that. So they end up, the caster lines here left a bunch of receipts behind and they were collected. And he called, he collected all them, and he called the police. He told the police that he's going to civilly sue them for the cigarette burns and damage to the room.

And he told the police they left walking south with their bags. They never got their car out of impound. Oh, my God. Because they couldn't, because he was fucked up. So the trooper drove them to the hotel when they bonded out. And then that's how that went. And then they walked away with their shit. Then about 10 minutes after this guy calls the police right down the street at the Dollar General, a older model Jeep is reported stolen from the Dollar General.

Keys were still in the vehicle. So, I mean, nobody expects that. This is a 1038 a.m on a saturday morning somebody left their keys in their jeep and got their shit stolen at the old dollar general that is a shit morning that is rough man uh so back to the night before uh at about 9 30 p.m or go back there uh if we remember there that marahue was arrested right and all that sort of thing he is uh he Marahue returns home to Guide Rock after being arrested and everything. He discovers upon getting home that his house has been burglarized. Oh, my God.

His shit is gone. Several things were missing, including his TV, video game system. 13 games are missing that he had total. All missing. Two laptop computers, two guitars, and a guitar amp. Huh?

All fucking missing. I know a pawn shop that's got that inventory. It's a real cool, well, that's good. He can go pick some up again. That's good for him. You know what?

He can replace it. He can probably get it at a cheaper price than new. Good for you, buddy. Who has the worst day? The guy that gets out of jail for DUI and gets home

to find all his shit stolen? That's terrible. Or the guy that comes out of jail for dui and gets home to find all his shit stolen terrible or the guy that comes out of the dollar general to find his jeep gone with his bag of four dollars worth of shit i'm sorry four dollars that he paid for it's eight cents worth of shit he said i needed this that badly to get have my jeep stolen yeah yeah who's having a left his keys in the fucking jeep i'm gonna say dui guy here probably all his shit's gone this is this is no fucking good here so yeah he uh he he ends up calling uh law enforcement and uh uh so uh you know to to tell about these items that were stolen this house has been broken into the next morning uh one of virginia barone's neighbors calls the police and requests a welfare check at Virginia Barone's house.

I guess she had knocked on the door. Nobody answered, but she thought she was there. And it was just a weird thing. So she said, go check on Virginia. Make sure she didn't have a stroke or something. Good call. Pass out in the bathtub. So a sheriff's deputy ends up going in with a neighbor.

And, you know, they went outside. The sheriff's deputy met the neighbor who called outside. And outside they found, first of all, her car is gone, which is strange. Several, there's things in the driveway. Her telephone is in the driveway, which is odd. And there's like weird possessions, different things kind of strewn about. Like a landline phone? Little things. Yeah, like a regular landlines like just through the

touchstone out in the on the driveway for some reason here so they enter the home they find several pieces of furniture broken and knocked over and like kind of trash like somebody just trashed the place uh at that point the officer notices a trail of blood leading into a back room, which is not great. And so they approach this very slowly, obviously. And when they get there, they find a big pile of boards

back there, like a bunch of wood of different, not even like the same thing. It wasn't a big pile of two-by-fours or anything. It was all just random boards and wood piled up uh when they move a couple of boards they find virginie barone underneath oh my god uh dead with obvious multiple stab wounds uh under there multiple stab wounds several cuts on her fingers which appeared to be defensive wounds uh you know from trying to block the knife uh she had uh you know blood on her face

uh like droplets which they thought might have shown that she was breathing uh she had uh you know blood on her face uh like droplets which they thought might have shown that she was breathing after she had been stabbed and breathed out blood or at least you know coughed yeah through her lips and did one of those like uh and uh she also uh the investigators there they also notice a blood stain on the rug in the living room, a shoe in the living room with blood on it, blood smears, which look to be drag marks leading from the living room to where she was found under the board and drops of blood on the porch area outside the front door. So this looks like it started at the porch, went inside a fucking, you know, a Heathcliff brawl happened where there was a big pile of dust and arms and legs were shooting out of it and furniture was breaking. And then somehow she is stabbed to death and dragged into a back room. That looks to be... Every time you mentioned where blood was at, I saw John Mulaney go, gross.

Gross. Gross. That's so funny. So the autopsy comes. Forens forensic pathologist conducts the autopsy here and they rule the death of homicide obviously it would be hard to kill yourself break all your furniture and drag yourself it's a hell of a suicide in the back and cover yourself in boards while you have defensive wounds on your hands you'd have to be a serious fucking schizophrenic to have that happen wow an investigator gets all the way back there and he goes, you know, I was thinking about suicide.

Until I saw all these boards. Until I saw this. I couldn't do it. It's a lot of boards. It's like Ed Norton in Fight Club just beating the shit out of himself. One of those. So the autopsy also reveals that Barone, Virginia, sustained 22 stab wounds. Fuck.

Jesus Christ. A 67-year-old lady? 68. That's too much. That's too many. also reveals that barone virginia sustained 22 stab wounds jesus christ that's 67 year old lady 68 that's too much too many that's that's that's more than three a year god jesus that's that's three a year that's too many so many it's too many stab wounds uh varied from one half inch to eight and a half inches in depth oh shit that's a big knife so that is deep that's plunging that is fucking you gotta really want that to plunge a knife into a human being that far. It takes effort, you know. It's hard to get that into a watermelon. I was gonna say,

take a chicken and stab a knife all the way through it. It doesn't just go right into it. A dead one. A dead chicken. I don't care, it's a chicken. If you're gonna eat it afterwards, what the fuck is the difference? If you stab it to death, eat it then, please, at least. Don't just kill it and toss it aside on the ground like a psychopath chicken farms all over people chasing people off come on get off my property get a fucking get a frozen get a tyson chicken put it on your counter and

take a knife and stab through the breast it's not easy it's fucking not there's bones in there there's bones there's tendons the skin is tough everything is tough man the cartilage is in there that shit does not want to go through. Your body wants to repel knives, generally. Evolution has made your body not want knives in it. It's really weird. So the angle of the stab wounds also varied. Seven of the wounds were inflicted at a downward trajectory,

and 13 were inflicted at an upward trajectory. So it's different knife grips. That's a hacker and a stabber. Like a street fighter. Those are two different, completely different techniques of fighting. So the pathologist also said that more than one knife was more than likely used to stab Barone, but they couldn't possibly, with knives, you can't. Could have been two hands.

You couldn't make that, you know, you couldn't possibly know that's for sure. They also explained that it's possible for a knife to inflict wounds deeper than its blade's length due to the way the body reacts when it's punctured. She said so it'll come in and it'll actually get deeper than the actual length of the blade. So you can get a six-inch blade that makes an eight-and-a-half-inch depth wound, which is fucking terrible. depth wound which is fucking terrible yeah she said the cause of death was stab wounds to the chest upper arm and abdomen which caused her to loss of blood there was uh uh 20 stab wounds in her chest and torso and stomach and two in the back so it seems like the two in the back might have been the start of the attack drag her inside she's fighting stab her more breaking furniture finally dies drag her in the back you can see the whole thing unfolding here it's it's it's brutal

uh telephone looked like it was ripped out of the out of the wall uh and ended up in the driveway like we said uh these were all in the place where she normally parks her vehicle so not not only does her vehicle not being there draw attention but in its place are things that wouldn't normally be there household kitchen telephone right and other things like that you know and a 1995 pontiac uh car so beautiful ride right there yeah it really uh it's a great car to fight in the back seat good family car it's a good car so uh during this investigation uh out of nowhere uh jamalama whiskey ding dong shows up oh at his mom's house he pops in and uh get there, and the police snag him for questioning. They go, anybody that walks in this door with this mess, we're going to talk to them.

You're related? We got questions. Yeah, let's talk to this, because this is trashy altogether. So after they spoke with Whiskey Ding-Dong, they identify Andrew and Shelly as suspects here, because he has an alibi, and it's his mom here because he has a you know an alibi and it's his mom and he's clearly shaken up and he's got a tail of a boxing match in the back seat of her car six hours ago. That's the other thing this one that one

and all that so they seem like more likely suspects here so they learn the police by you know do some work here and they learn that Andrew had been arrested the night before they're like awesome and they're like yeah but he bonded out fuck damn it he's fucking gone now. Shit. He was in jail.

We had him right there with her car, with her fucking car. Done. Done. So they found out that's when they said, what vehicle did he get arrested in?

That plate? God damn it. Fucking done. So they said, shit. I saw the guys from It's Always Sunny and everybody in unison go,

God damn it. God damn it. It's my favorite thing that they say on that show. I saw Chaz Palminteri on Usual Suspects looking on the board and just going, oh, shit. What did we do? Kaiser Sose is a 20-year-old kid whacked out on prescription fucking pills, wandering down a Nebraska interstate with his mom after fist fighting his stepfather in the backseat of a 1995 pontiac this is this is white trash here so uh they did say the police from the other county said that we believe they're probably heading east in a stolen jeep if that helps we had a jeep get stolen

so we think they probably did it we haven't found them i mean we're not going to look for them or anything we took them to a hotel that's all we can do you know uh so police end up being able up until right now this sounds like it happened in 1987 up until right now up until i say the word this sentence police were able to shack shell is track shelly's cell phone to a location near newton iowa unbelievable besides that this this could have been any time ever. So fucking weird. So the Newton Police Department know of them now, and they're trying to look for them. And they receive a call. The Newton police officers receive a call to come to the Newton Walmart at 5.30 p.m. on Saturday to investigate the theft of a purse from a patron in the parking lot uh so upon arrival

here they talked to the the victims of this theft of a mugging yeah and they say quote uh the victim said the male suspect approached them asking for directions and while giving the suspect directions he grabbed her purse the victim upon trying to retrieve purse, was met by a female who brandished a knife. Oh. So, we're talking about a man and woman combo, both armed with knives. Yeah. Sounds familiar. That's, they're good for another crime. That sounds familiar.

Apparently, then they were, while this was happening, they were then, people in the Walmart parking lot saw what was going on and said, hey, fuck that, let's get them. And they chased the caster lines the fuck away. Wow. They chased them they ran and got in their jeep and took off because they were literally being chased by angry villagers awesome which is did you see this week what happened in philly i did that is the greatest fucking okay not into vigilante justice in terms of like when it's cold-blooded when it's like he's been in jail let's all rip his head that's a different thing

right but when someone kidnaps your kids and steals your car and you chase them and catch them in the act, you can beat them to death at that point. You got to beat them until they stop moving. They stole your kids and your car and that's fair fucking game at that point. If it's just your car, you call the cops. That's a GPS thing. I'm not chasing you for a car. If my kids are in the car, you have crossed all lines at that point you've crossed all lines a lesson to you kidnappers and people looking for

kids if if i if we catch you and it's it's not gonna end well and i love philadelphia because philly the whole neighborhood the whole neighborhood was like oh we're kicking somebody's ass oh this is a morally justified ass we could. We could kill somebody. Fuck yeah. I'm got kicked that kidnapping motherfucker. I love Philadelphia. So if there's ever like when we're performing in Philly, if there's ever like a kinship between like performer and city, I've never felt it more than when we're in Philly. Philly's so good.

Someone can say something from the audience and I can go shut the fuck up. And they will cheer. Everybody goes, yeah, bitch. Like I won the lot. Like they just all individually won the lottery. They'll go. Yeah. I can go, shut the fuck up. And they will cheer. And everybody goes, yeah, bitch, stop. Like I won the lottery. Like they just all individually won the lottery. They'll go, yeah.

And I'm like, this is the greatest town I've ever been in in my life. I fucking love it here. They're all going, yeah, bitch, that sounds terrible. That sounds terrible. Why would you do that? Why? So, Jesus Christ. So they end up fleeing the scene in their stolen vehicle.

They're chased by citizens. And eventually, they are caught by the Iowa State Patrol on Highway 80 east of Newton. And pulled over. And they give up then. They're taken to the Jasper County Jail. And they're, at this point, facing charges of first-degree robbery based on the Walmart incident, obviously, and their stolen vehicle and everything else. The police said, quote, the stolen vehicle is being investigated by the Iowa State Patrol. Both suspects were wanted for questioning regarding a homicide in Nebraska, which is being investigated by Nebraska State Control.

regarding a homicide in Nebraska, which is being investigated by Nebraska State Control. So, yeah, when they're found, when they search Andrew, they find $322 in cash, several Walmart and ATM receipts, and still had Barone's debit card in his hand, which is pretty incriminating. It's dangerous. Shelly had over $2,000 in cash in her purse. She's still got it. She was running, man.

How did they bond out and still have all that money? That's what I'm saying. I don't know what the bond. I think it was $250. It was a low bond because it was his first offense. It was Andrew's first offense. Very much like taxes. She just had to go clean the gutters. I was going to say, I think they asked if you could just wipe down the sinks in the bathroom,

then we'll just let the kid out. I think that's equivalent. You wipe the wheels on the fleet of police cars? There's only three cars. If you get under the wheel wells with the hose because the salt gets up there in the winters we really want to knock that down and keep the rust off if you could get on that that's your bond today horrific okay yeah we'll go ahead and let him out hey let out your open cell too and just have one big key on a ring you can get the dog to bring it to you you're safe it's one of those

so what was his bond 12 wheel wells 12 wheel wells that's fine that's good get out in the parking lot so they also searched the jeep and in the jeep they find a bag with marahue's name on it oh which is pretty uh incriminating two laptop computers guitar they still have that and a knife uh with a four inch blade inside the glove box they find there uh the owner of the jeep testified that none of the items were in the Jeep when it was stolen from him in the parking lot. It's a good story. It's a good, yeah.

I didn't do shit. That's not my shit. Hey, my shit. You kill people, leave all the evidence in the car, leave the keys in the ignition, and just go in the Dollar General and wait. That's how you get away with murder. Gotcha.

Gotcha, bitch. Now you're a murderer fingerprints all over that shit ha that's how you get away with murder i don't know my car got stolen yesterday look at me the fuck out of me they must have taken my car and went and killed my wife with it super weird what a coincidence these people they'll never stop taking from me oh god oh lord how long oh how long lord will it keep happening oh my car wasn't enough it killed my wife jesus christ so yeah they're arrested they're taken to a detention center in idaho and uh in idaho that's they just took them on a long trip in the fuck out of iowa Into the other side of the country. Get in the Northwest. We don't want you

anymore. At the time of booking, they observed several injuries on the two suspects. Shelly had a bruise on her right arm, some small scrapes on her right wrist and index finger, and Andrew had a bruise above his eye, cuts on his thumb, and the fingers of his right hand, and

an abrasion on his forearm. Also dried palm, dried blood on his right palm. So they have cuts and things. He hasn't even washed his hands? No. Well, he's got cuts, too, that are, you know, when you stab people. Yeah, that's what ends up happening here. So the next day, obviously, the interviewers down here in Webster County are pretty curious

to have a chat with them about all this. They do. Andrew and Shelly are interviewed by investigators the next day. Shelly, they get her and she says, Virginia Barone, that's Jam-O-Lama Whiskey Ding-Dong's mom, right? Yeah, I don't know. No, I don't know. Is she okay?

Everything good? No, I don't know what you're talking about. Well, she's dead. She was, oh, wow. Holy shit. That's terrible. That sounds terrible. That sounds terrible. That sounds terrible. No, she's dead she was oh wow holy shit that's terrible yeah that sounds terrible that sounds terrible that sounds terrible no that's no she's not that's awful

uh and they said no no but uh i don't know if you've noticed this but there's like a whole shitload of like evidence yeah and stuff uh we have knives and we have all we have all sorts of shit basically that we could really you know do like that and so she sat there and she went you have you have evidence huh and they went yeah and she went all right i killed her you say you've got what oh evidence oh yeah all right oh yeah i did it like that's what she did she was like all right yeah you got me i did it they were like oh that was surprisingly easy yeah they were like oh that was wow okay, see? Don't do that again. We told her.

She knows. But she also claimed Andrew had nothing to do with it. Oh, she didn't take the credit. All on my own, nothing to do with Andrew. Well, she's been a shit mom, it seems like, her whole life, in and out of jail and getting arrested all the time. Couldn't have been a good mom if you're on prescription drugs in and out of jail. It's hard to be a good mom at that point.

So, you know, she's trying to cover for him at this point. She told investigators that when they got back from Hastings, she and Andrew went to Barone's house,

went to Virginia's house, and they all got in an argument. She said that Virginia was blaming Shelly for Whiskey Dick's problems, Whiskey Ding Dong's problems, at which point Andrew told Virginia

to shut up or he would knock her out. Oh. Shut up, you old bag or I'll knock you out. Which is a fucking weird threat for us to lay on a 70-year-old lady, 68-year-old lady. Knock you out? Big tough dude. You're an old lady. No.

Don't threaten or knock out old women. Yeah, some of them are mouthy. Fine. You can walk away. They're slow. They can't catch you. You'll get away from their voice eventually and you can you know you're a 70 year old woman today has put up with oh forever jesus christ betty white has let her fucking bitch so many horrible things let her say whatever the fuck she wants so uh so shelly said at this

point uh because she was so mad that it was now escalating between her son and Virginia, that she grabbed a knife. Shelly did and started stabbing Barone and just stabbed her up. And then she said, I don't know how many times I stabbed her. But then I dragged her into the other room and I covered her with boards because I don't know. That was the stupidest thing I could think of to do because it really threw everybody off for about 10 seconds till they followed the trail. Why would you do that? You know, those that pile of wood is awfully. It bleeds a lot. They're going to be

super confused for like four seconds till they see the trail of blood and follow it. What the fuck? I don't know. I can't find the body. There's a pile of boards in here, but I have no body. I got nothing as far as the body goes boards are just bleeding they're gross it's pretty i think it's very sappy don't

use maple that's i told you oh yeah what are you doing so yeah uh this is fucking ridiculous obviously uh she said that she uh you know she she definitely killed her. She dragged her into the other room, covered her with boards. She said that she knows that she's taking the blame. She basically said, yeah, I'm taking the blame for my son. And they were like, why are you taking the blame here?

You know you're just taking the blame. She's like, yep, you can say that, but I'm still doing it. That's fine. I know what I'm doing at that that point so when andrew was interviewed he said that he and shelly had nothing to do with barone's death neither of them yeah he said that uh uh he had no he didn't even know virginia was dead she's dead he's like she's dead crazy that sounds terrible jesus that's awful yeah my god i had no fucking idea don't do that what oh that poor lady jesus christ

i hope nobody knocked her out first that'd be the worst so uh he said uh then they talked to him a little more so then later he admits that he was at barone's house when virginia and shelly got into an argument but he claimed he went home during the argument and didn't know what happened he goes that they were hard they're always arguing said, I'm not going to fucking come. I'm going home. I'm going to play my stolen video games now. So later on, however, during the interview, this is fucking amazing. Later during the interview, Shelley began screaming from another room that she killed Virginia, which this is fucking amazing this police station is so small that the

interview rooms can be fucking heard by each other so she's trying to get him to hear her she's yelling yeah she's yelling to him yeah because it's a small station with thin walls you can hear people so she's yelling to him this isn't how it works like on the wire when they take people in separate interrogation rooms and this one said yeah no this isn't how it works like on the wire when they take people in separate interrogation rooms. And this one said, yeah, no, this isn't how this works. This is amazing. She yelled that I killed her. I killed her. And so he says, oh, my mom killed her.

That's I've changed my mind here. She said that she's screaming that. And Andrew stated that Shelly did it. But he said, I still had nothing to do with it. But apparently, according to her, she did it. So investigators go, let's take some DNA off of everything and everybody just to make sure. Because it's 2013. Yeah, because it's not 1985.

So they take DNA testing on the knife found in the Jeep and the clothing that both Shelly and Andrew were wearing when they were arrested. They compared those to the DNA samples that they had and all that shit. They located DNA on the blade of the knife and three pieces of clothing, Andrew's jeans, Andrew's shoes, and Virginia's sweatpants. Also, DNA on the knife was a mixture of two people, with Andrew being the major contributor, but everyone except Shelley being excluded as the minor contributor. Really?

So Andrew and Shelley are the two contributors there because there's blood on their hands from doing that. the dna on andrew's genes tested positive for blood it was a mixture of mixture of two contributors with barone virginia being the major contributor and andrew being the minor contributor so stabbing and bleeding the dna on his shoe also tested positive for blood and matched the dna profile of only virginia bar Barone. The DNA on Barone's sweatpants was inconclusive as a major contributor, but everyone except for Andrew Shelley and Virginia were excluded. So those three were there. All of them bled. All of them were involved in this.

Unbelievable. That's what this says here. So they go, great. Both charged with murder. Yeah. You say you did it. Terrific. Even though all the physical evidence says he did it. We'll charge you murder. Yeah. You say you did it. Terrific. Even though all the physical evidence says he did it.

We'll charge you both. Done. One says he did it. One, we have proof they did it. So you both fucking did it. There you go. Done. There we go.

Andrew goes to trial there. There's a letter allowed in that he wrote that he objects to. It was received into evidence during the testimony of the chief jailer in the detention center here. The jailer testified regarding the policy to monitor all mail unless it's attorney-client communications, blah, blah, blah. They scanned the mail for inappropriate materials. They obviously looked through prisoners' mail, and they document the incoming and outgoing mail in the computer database. The letter in question was documented as an outgoing mail. It was a printout from the

database entitled uh their activity log they received into evidence here it's got castor lines full name this is andrew full name inmate number jail cell number and it reflects that he mailed this letter to jamalama whiskey ding dong on october 10th 2013 so this is all it's him sending it it's everything that could be there uh in the letter uh this is his letter this is a letter that he writes to his whiskey deck yeah his stepdad i guess he says quote hey ronnie this is aj writing you aj is what he goes by his andrew james casterline uh for what reason i don't know i never did like you because of the way you treated my mother no punctuation in there by the way the period at the end but no no no commas at all

uh you are an alcoholic but it's okay to be you spent 12 years in prison well me and mom are locked up because she needed money in a car to get away from you that is how much she hated you but anyways i'm getting some blame for her mistakes no punctuation in any of that uh i have just heard what happened to your mom and i'm so sorry i couldn't imagine losing mine but the cops are trying to blame me for that but you know who really did it i am writing you with uh with sympathy i imagine he means sympathy uh sympathy because i care about you and want you to write back I still consider you a father didn't he say I didn't really like you in the beginning

he just said I never really liked you I don't know why I'm writing this my mom hates you and when I get out of jail I would like to move back to guide rock tell Trevor my mom is the one who took his stuff you know how she is you know how she is that's the guy his friend.

And tell Trevor I don't want to lose his friendship and tell him he can write me, too. He is like my brother. You barely know this guy. Candy and Sam won't talk to me on the phone. Can you send me their addresses and give them mine, please? Well, Ronnie, I'm going to leave it up to you to forgive me. But please forgive and write back. LOL.

Put down that bottle. What a weird thing to say after you just asked for forgiveness for murdering his mom. Sorry, I killed your mom. LOL. Drinky fish. Booty pie. What are you doing there? You put the booze down with your murderers judging an alcoholic.

He just apologized. Sorry, we killed your mom. A murderer's judging an alcoholic. He just apologized. Sorry we killed your mom. LOL, put that bottle down. What the fuck is that? Stop drinking, you dirty bastard. Jesus. And don't forget to tell Trevor and everybody how sorry I am for mom's mistakes.

You know I'm not that person. So take care of yourself and pay your bills. P.S. Send me a picture of my sisters and mom i got i got a lot of i got a lot of things i need you to do yeah that i'm gonna ask you to do after i tell you i don't like i tell you i don't like you and i'm real sorry we killed your mom can you can you do make a bunch of communications for me i got a list you know anyone who sells mescaline because i've really been looking for like what the fuck is he doing what is he doing so at his trial uh shelly testifies for the defense

uh because that's a good defense someone going he wasn't there i did it all on my own it's a decent defense oj would have loved to have that person as a witness oj would have loved to have like some colombian drug dealer going they owed me much money and i had to cut their throats he would have been like see i told you fucking a man look at his little hands look at them i bet they fix a i bet they fit a glove fucking a medium so shelly testifies for the defense she testifies that she alone killed virginia and that andrew had nothing to do with it she says that shortly after they arrived home from Hastings, she walked into Virginia's house with the intention of receiving her cell phone, which she had left in her car.

By the way, pause real quick, not as the recording, but pause this story real quick. How much do you see this as like a drunk history episode? Like all of these different fucking like things happening, like all of the different go back, rewind. No, no, this is this story of these different fucking like things happening like all of the different go back rewind no no this is this story of these people it's fucking insane so anyway but just like a over and over again like a weird and changing the the overlapping like pulp fiction and shit it's just a weird it changes the whole outcome it's just a little

layer it's like a seven samurai thing except with the same person seeing it all these different ways not different people seeing it all these different ways, not different people seeing it different ways, just all Shelly's different views of the crime. So, yeah, she said that she went to get her phone,

which she left in Virginia's car. She said her and Virginia got in an intense argument that was just about to turn physical. At that very moment, Andrew walked in the house looking for Shelly when it was just about to turn physical.

Shelly told Andrew to get out of the house, which he did. She said he complied and left. She then grabbed a knife and stabbed her own multiple times. She said she said she and Andrew came back. She said then Andrew came back into the house and saw Virginia lying on the floor. Shelly said, quote, I stabbed her in the back first, blacked out in rage. The next thing I remember, my son is in the doorway saying, what are you doing, mom? So that's what she testified.

What are you doing? This sounds terrible. That sounds terrible. No. She said that she tossed the knife into a cornfield, which is a very Nebraska way of disposing a murder weapon. That is not bad at all. That's like, Jesus Christ, like being in Alaska and sticking it up a bear's ass or something.

I stuck it up a grizzly's ass. Okay. I threw the gun at the Ford plant in Detroit. Yeah, it's so fucking stereotypical. A gator ate it. I don't have to tell you where that is. So anyway, only one place with people that are like, I'll live among gators. That's fine.

The world doesn't want you, Florida. The land doesn't. First of all, it sinks below your very feet. It's barely land. You move to a place with quicksand. Remember that in cartoons? It's not good. The land's half mush.

The indicator that nobody should be there is when you put a pool in the ground you have to do specific things to the ground or the plaster will float up yeah it's horrible not to mention ungodly terrible insects literally gators deadly animals weird snakes the earth literally tries to blow you off eight to ten times a year with wind and rain and everything else they don't want you and if you're a decent person doesn't want you also have to understand that all the indecent people in america live in florida and also i mean we live here and it's 113 degrees outside today but florida's got the what's it called the hurricane no humidity white trash yeah that's right that's what it's got never mind the heat

sorry i had to set you up for a cheap one on that one it's good it's pretty solid whatever louisiana's got uh two yeah and they got mosquitoes the size of a fucking buick yeah no one's saying louisiana louisiana you're not off the hook here you're not doing any better people smile about it yeah they don't care't care. They're like, can you believe this? Because they're actually from there, most of those people. They're like, I don't know. We've been living here for generations. It's crazy.

Weird, right? They keep the mosquitoes from smearing the mud on them. Yeah. The people in Florida, they just like... Because they're all from fucking Long Island in Florida. They don't want to be there. They didn't... It's not...

Flesh-eating bacteria. Yeah, they're out of their element. In Florida. So she said she tossed the knife into a cornfield and then she said she just. Tonight's going to be great. It's terrific. It's going to be wonderful. The next two nights are going to have so much fun.

They're awesome. I love it. Yay, Florida. So they know Florida's terrible. They know. They're good. It's not our people. They live there.

We love the people who are listening to the show. They're listening in spite of being in Florida. You know, good for you. So she then decided to drag Virginia's body into another room and convinced Andrew to help her, she said, because she couldn't drag her alone. Shelly then, she said, she then told Andrew to pack his things because they were leaving town. She says she admitted that before they were leaving, she went to Mariu's house

and took several of his personal items of personal property and then left town in Virginia Barone's Pontiac. She also admitted they used Barone's debit card to obtain money at ATM. I mean, it's hard not to admit it when people saw you and it's on camera. And it's in his wallet still. Yeah, it's still

there. So, and you have receipts that you used it, you know. And you have all that cash fucking in your pocket. Yeah. You know, she admitted doing cash cash back transactions at three Wal-Mart stores in central Nebraska. Also at trial, though, several details of her testimony were inconsistent with what she told investigators when she was arrested. So, for example, she testified at trial that Andrew was not at Virginia's house when she stabbed Virginia, whereas before she said that he was there

during the killing. She testified that he helped her move the body after the stabbing, but beforehand, in the prior interview, she said that she'd moved it alone. So beforehand, she just... In both cases, there's a stabbing and a moving, and each one, she put him in one and not in the other,

but in each story, he's involved in one of them. There isn't one story where he's there for a stabbing and a moving. And each one, she put him in one and not in the other. But in each story, he's involved in one of them. There isn't one story where he's there for the stabbing and the moving. And then in the other story, he's not there at all. He's either there to watch the stabbing or to help the body moving. So she's putting him in somewhere. She also testified that at trial, she testifies that she took Virginia's ATM card and called the bank to get the pin. Whereas in the prior interview, she said she knew nothing about the use of her ATM card and that investigators would have to talk to Andrew about that. Now, she acknowledges the several of the inconsistencies on cross examination.

but she stated her trial testimony was the truth and that she must have been misremembering during the prior interview, having to do with being under the influence of prescription drugs at the time. She was all whacked out. So on cross-examination here, she says she did write a letter to one of her daughters stating that two knives may have been involved in the murder

because she did, they have this letter. Her daughter ends up turning it in but claimed that trial that this was not true and that she was just misremembering what happened she misremembers a lot she's very cloudy with these pills it's uh she takes pills she doesn't know she stabs people where's the knife how the fuck do i know i'm only the stabber what do i know where i put knives it's very difficult uh she said uh she told her daughter that, uh, that Virginia struck Andrew. That's what she said in the letter that that's how it started. It was Virginia hit Andrew and then she jumped in with the stabby stabs.

Uh, she claimed a trial that that wasn't true. And she just lied to her daughter for no reason in a letter, I guess, to justify the killing. She's saying, well, I had to tell her that she attacked Andrew. So that way it would make more sense. Andrew so that way it would make more sense so uh Shelly uh says uh that uh uh that also she wrote a letter to her daughter who uh in turn wrote to the daughter that then wrote to Andrew about there being blood on him because Shelly made him move the body but then Shelly denied that she was attempting to coordinate the testimony because they were like you wrote a letter to your daughter and then she wrote a letter to him saying what testimony you wanted him to do you made a letter triangle of testimony

you're not allowed to do that and she said that's not what she was doing she was just talking to her daughter i how dare you how dare you even accuse me do you know i mean yes i'll i'll kill a lady i'll move her body i'll steal cars or i'll mug people in the street i'll break into their houses and steal shit but i'm not a liar that is where i draw the line how dare you how dare i put i'm a christian woman i put my hand on this bible damn it and that's as good as gold in this courtroom mister i'll be stepping down now thank you very much imagine if that worked and trust this they're all like oh sorry well she did she didn't admit to fucking murder. It's true. Well, let's find out if it works.

Verdict for the jury here. They come back. He's charged with murder. He's charged with robbery. Yeah, it's a burglary and use of a deadly weapon to commit a felony. And of course, murder. And he is found guilty of all of these charges, despite his mother saying no and uh the oh man uh let's judge sentences him pretty good here zeus sir may fuck off he is sentenced to consecutive life

terms of imprisonment wow for first degree murder and 49 to 50 years imprisonment for use of a deadly weapon to commit a felony and 19 to 20 years imprisonment for burglary. All consecutive. So basically like five lives worth of prison he's got to serve here. Yeah, that's heavy. That means they said, nope, he was there. He stabbed two.

Mama's a bullshitter. Yeah, everyone's guilty here and we're not letting him off the hook. He didn't offer a statement, but his lawyer told the judge that, quote, he regrets very much what happened. The defense lawyer also said that there's no direct evidence that his client killed Virginia Barone, and the crime spree that followed was driven by a fierce loyalty to his mother. You can't expect a young man to not be loyal to his mother in a time of need.

He's a mama's boy. You can't expect that. And he only, all he would say, cast her line, would be yes sir, no sir, when the judge would ask him direct questions. He also said, his lawyer did, that his client didn't want to make a statement for the pre-sentence investigation because of their plans for the case. He said, quote, my instructions from my client are to file an appeal, and we are already in the process of getting that done.

So they want to appeal. Sure. Would you appeal nuts you have to right i mean you well you have you have to appeal if you're in for life yeah especially with all those sentences what you got to lose right it's all you got 10 years what are they gonna just say no no all right great doesn't hurt to ask but you kind of just gotta go yeah i kind of got caught on this one in your mind you're like oh they got me i don't know getting out of that point is like is like seeing a hot chick you gotta at least ask you gotta give it a shot yeah you gotta give it a shot would you like my number no all right i'll keep it then never mind so uh yeah he said they're doing that uh his lawyer also said he's already pinpointed a few issues that could warrant an appeal but he's not going to share him now no he's got him hiding okay he says that uh

the prosecutors say the verdict was just they called castor line andrew a dangerous person while uh they were asking the judge for the maximum sentence on the lesser counts to be served consecutively they said quote she died in a graphic and horrible manner and showed pictures of her and died dead in a graphic and horrible manner uh judge ordered the consecutive sentences like we said citing the brutal nature of the crime. The fact that Peron was left alive after being stabbed 22 times. She bled to death in there. Remember, that wasn't she didn't sever anything.

She just bled out in there under these boards. And Andrew's probability of committing a crime again as factors in the decision. Yeah, he's clearly not all with it. I would say he's got problems. So before the sentencing of the judge did ask prosecutors from the attorney general's office. as factors in the decision. He's clearly not all with it, I would say. He's got problems. So before the sentencing, though, the judge did ask prosecutors from the attorney general's office what a life sentence means these days, alluding to the states.

They have prison overcrowding and shit like that. Yeah, they assured him that it meant castor lines and entire natural life. So they said, quote, I wasn't surprised at the sentence that my client received as the defense attorney, other than the maximum sentence for the use of a weapon and weapon charge and the burglary. But it was fully prepared.

But he was fully prepared for what happened today. It's justice for the victim, Virginia Barone. So they're saying, yeah, obviously, she doesn't have a voice here today. But I do feel like it was a clear and just sentence is what the attorney the district attorney said in in you know in response to the defense uh shelly goes to court now too uh she pleads though yeah there's no trial you don't want to get her in front of a judge with that get her in front of a jury read off what you know she wants to say she's a decent person then you can bring up character shit and you can bring off that list i read off to you of how what a shit person she is in general yeah and then you can go from there into all the evidence and everything else so shelly ends up pleading guilty in 2014 to second degree murder uh that is punishable by uh 20 years

to life there and uh the judge sentences her uh Let us find out here. You, ma'am, may fuck off. Life in prison. Really? For her, too. Yeah, she got life, too. Maximum on it for her. Without?

She appeals. Yeah, without. She appeals her sentence and gets nowhere with it. But prison. She gets prison. But other than that, her only appeal was that the prison sentence was too long, which isn't really in it. There was no reason for it. So they were like, yeah, I don't know what you're appealing yeah andrew has some different things though he's got an appeal uh based on a few things here one uh finding sufficient evidence to sustain his convictions for first degree murder because he's

like you know that's not there's no evidence that said i could all that blood could have been there for me helping drag the body the person who admitted to stabbing her said that's what i did so why the fuck are they convicting me yeah but you were there bro that's what i mean you know you're in the car sir you know it was come on come on so uh also admitting into evidence without proper foundation which was a letter that was written by him to his stepdad there the i I hate you, you're my dad shit. Also admitting in evidence the knife that was found in the Jeep that they found, that they were stolen

when they were apprehended and improperly instructing the jury on elements of first degree murder, second degree murder and manslaughter by adding language that Castor Line was guilty if he acted, quote, either alone or by aiding another

and refusing his proposed element instructions. So, sufficiency of the evidence. We'll go through this shit quick, quick. He says, obviously, not sufficient evidence. He's charged with first-degree fucking murder. They go over the, to be first-degree murder, you have to, one, purposely and with deliberate premeditation

premeditated malice or two while in the preparation of a robbery if a person commits a robbery with the intent to steal he forcibly and by violence or putting fear takes the takes from the person of another any money or personal property or any value whatever so that's robbery and that's yeah that's uh uh murder is what they do justified yeah absolutely so uh uh to find him guilty of the uh of the uh weapon the deadly weapon state has to prove that he either alone or by aiding another knowingly intentionally used a deadly weapon to murder which clearly if he did the murder it was with a deadly weapon unless he's real good at poking yeah that'd be that's a hard finger you'd have to really get your poke on uh so yeah the jury was instructed in this case that it would convict castor line of these crimes as either the principal offender or as an aider and a better

they said either way if you think that he didn't lift a knife but he helped his mom at all then he's still guilty that was the jury instructions so So that was the big either or was the big problem that they had. They said, yeah, a person who aids, abets, procures, or causes another to commit any offense may be prosecuted and punished as if he were the principal offender. Now, they say here, a rational trier effect could conclude that Shelley and or Andrew used force and violence and fear to obtain Barone's car keys, debit card, and pin at some point. They had to get her pin.

Because Barone said, I called the bank and got the pin. They called the bank people in to go, we don't fucking have the pin. That's why I brought that up. We don't have the pins. So if she got a pin, it's from Virginia Barone. No one else fucking has it. So they had to intimidate her into giving up the pin. Horrible.

So that's fucking horrible. This was not just a sneak attack or anything. They had to like try to muscle her. Yeah. Strong armor here. So yeah, the testimony from the bank employee says that's impossible. So the evidence supports a finding that Andrew aided and abetted or used force to obtain this pin number.

They think he was there. And if he was there, he at least aided and abetted. Absolutely. The evidence is sufficient to support a finding that Andrew, either by alone or aiding Shelley, killed Virginia during the commission of a robbery. Casterline argues there's no evidence

that he intended to rob Barone until after the murder had been completed by Shelley. Even if that was true, it wouldn't absolve him of liability for felony murder so go fuck yourself uh the death occurred during the perpetration of a robbery because the act that killed her the stabbing was closely connected in time and place with the robbery it's all one continuous act and that's first degree fucking murder his conviction for use of a deadly weapon to commit a felony uh it is uh the 22 stab wounds varying from a half inch

to eight and a half inches were inflicted at two different trajectories, suggesting that more than one knife was used. When they were apprehended, officers located a knife in the vehicle and Kasserlein's DNA was on the blade of the knife. And they also said

they were seen with two knives earlier, both wielding knives and all that sort of shit. So it's very logical to think that they both may have had a knife and been involved in this. Also, the admissibility of this letter. That seems to be a big fucking deal. The I hate you butterballs? Yeah.

He's trying to say. What was his name? Whiskey Ding. Yeah. Whiskey Ding Dong. Whiskey Ding Dong. Whiskey Ding Dong. So this guy uh they're trying

they're saying that not that the letter isn't true or anything like that they're saying that how do you know it's me they're saying you can't authenticate that letter and they're going actually when we send you send a letter out it's all right cataloged so we really can't identify it i know exactly when you said you're fucking in the inmate numbers on and they're like well how do you know i wrote that that could have been anybody putting all my information on and writing my personal things that only I know to my stepfather. Only could be anybody, really, at that point. So, yeah, they said the trial court has discretion to determine whether evidence has been properly authenticated. They made that decision.

It wasn't out of the realm of normal to think that that belonged to him right that's their their job to do they did it and that's that so uh they said in the addition to the testimony of the chief jailer the substance of the letter proves further authentic authentication like i just said also the admissibility of the knife uh andrew argues that the district court erred by admitting into evidence over his objection that the knife was found in a jeep that they had been traveling in here uh he says that the knife should have been even if it was relevant it should have been excluded because of probe its probative value was outweighed by the danger of unfair prejudice the state argues that they waived this issue

because he failed to timely object to the knife at trial he didn't object to it so you can't appeal on something you didn't object to in the first place. It's very hard to do. It's like you didn't give us such... You didn't stop before. Yeah, what was wrong with it before? You didn't have a problem then. It's a hard argument to make,

where it's so egregious now that it's worth a filing, but then you couldn't have just gone, objection. Like, why is it so different here? So they said that he didn't object to the knife on relevance grounds until after two witnesses have testified about the knife being found and pictures had been offered into evidence that's when he said he he had to step in and object at that point uh so yeah that doesn't work they said even if these objections had not been

waived we conclude the knife was clearly relevant and admissible under the ruling here and that it was found in the vehicle he was driving. It contained his DNA and the victim's DNA in this case, who happened to be stabbed to death. Doesn't get any more relevant than that. So, yeah, no error admitting that. And also jury instructions. There's a he argues jury instructions saying that first he argues the district court improperly instructed the jury on elements of first degree murder and he says the

district court erred in refusing his proposed elements instruction which was taken from the Nebraska pattern jury instructions and blah blah blah blah blah they go you know what you fucking stabbed a 68 year old lady we're positive you did it none of that shit matters and it's poor it's

actually poor legal stance is what you have, too. It's not even like a good legal argument that logically we can't get down with. You have nothing. Right now you're just pissing in the wind. You are pissing into the wind. And in Nebraska, that's dangerous. It's a strong wind. It'll put a snowdrift in your bedroom.

Fucking windy. That sounds terrible. All right. High five on that one. That was definitely not planned or anything. I wasn't even looking at Jimmy when we both said that. I was looking straight ahead. That's fucking good stuff.

So yeah, he ends up, he is in prison for life. That's like number three, by the way. Yeah. That's ridiculous. That is, that's pretty silly. It's really getting to be goddamn ridiculous. It fucking fits so well.

So that is Guide Rock, Nebraska. Andrew's in for life. Yep. And Shelly's in for life. Yep. And it doesn't look like they're coming out anytime fucking soon. What about Whiskey Ding Dong? He's out there just-

Whiskey Ding Dong's got a whole lot of space around the property nowadays. Yeah, he's got a couple of houses. He's got three houses, Whiskey Dicka Ding Dong. Wow. Whiskey Amalama couple of houses he's got three houses whiskey dick a ding dong wow whiskey amalama ding dong he's got three houses open space he's just having the time of his life drinking away his sunday afternoons passing out in the front lawn with the neighbor there looking out the window still going jesus christ he's still drunk is he still drunk well i guess i'll hang out with him ain Ain't nobody else around. So now there's two. Maybe those are the two less people in that one thing.

Well, three. These two in prison and one of them dead. Rolling back the population. Holy shit. Mark off two again. Shit. It's another murder. So yeah, that is that story.

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and you donate shit to us, and you just send us nice things. You're so nice. You're fucking nice to us. You're nice to us and you you just you send us nice things and so nice you're fucking nice to us you're nice to us and we're a dick sometime we don't deserve this i get it yeah look we look we say shit sometimes it's you know questionable yeah and it's it's because a it's always for purposes of humor number one but even regardless of that sometimes it's true and sometimes if you have to think about sometimes, sometimes you might like something that you like. You might not be correct. You could be wrong, but like that anyway. And that's OK.

We're cool with that. But we're not going to say you're right for liking it. We're going to say that sounds terrible. But then also it's your life. So carry on. Enjoy it. Enjoy. Like we talked about have your fucking kids in a hospital.

We were talking about the episode of people want to have kids at home. We got messages. People were complaining, saying, actually, if it's a low risk, no, it's a fucking no.

One's your living room. One's a medical facility with machines and people who went to college and medical school and residency to learn about how to save your fucking baby's life. Argument over. Argument over. Stop it. Sorry. Don't talk to me about statistics. Now, that doesn't mean you don't have the right to do that.

Yeah. And if you want to have your kid in your living room with whoever your neighbor, I don't give a fuck who delivers your kid. I don't care if your kid lives or dies. It's not my problem. I don't know you. It's true. So if you want to have a kid in your living room and it dies, I don't care if your kid lives or dies it's not my problem i don't know you it's true so if you want to have a kid in your living room fingers crossed and it dies i don't care i

mean i care i don't want anybody's kid to die but i'm saying that i'm not this isn't a thing where i'm like you asshole i don't like you you can have your right to do that but don't think that you're correct in doing that that it's really the better thing that's wrong it's just your opinion which is fine i know that smoking pot isn't good for you all the time i like to smoke it anyway right see what i'm saying there you can tell me it's bad for me and i'll go yeah you're right but i still want to do it just respect that and you can spit your kid out in your bathtub while your fucking neighbor waits for it with a catcher's mitt i don't give a shit have fun that's all i wanted to say that don't get mad at us for having an opinion that we don't have strongly enough to even

judge you for. We don't give a shit what you do. If it doesn't affect me, I don't care. I'd want other people to have freedoms to do whatever they want. And that, unless you're infringing on someone else's, I don't care about that either.

So enjoy deal is what we're saying. But, uh, yeah, follow us on social media. Do all that. And now Jimmy list of producers here. If you want to be one of those producers very easily, you can do that at patreon.com slash crime and sports.

Or you can do it over at PayPal using our email address, which is crime and sports at gmail.com. You can get to both of those right from shut up and give me murder.com. And now, Jesus, Jimmy, I need to hear the list of my favorite people, because these people, we share with them. They share love with us. We share love right back. This is all love. This doesn't sound terrible.

This sounds wonderful. Hit me with that list. This week's executive producers are The Charlie Project and Megan Good. She puts together a database. It's like the second largest database of missing people. I've seen her. Good for you, Megan. Good stuff.

James Lucchese, Carrie Clark, Silky Jensen. She told me how to pronounce that, and that's not it. Silky Jensen sounds like a Dave Chappelle character at the Player Haters Ball. Silky Jensen. Hate, hate, hate. Mike Eklund, Rick Sikorski, Lisa Jensen, Samantha Landis, Andrew Cordovas, Brendan Clohessy, and Christine Lally. I think it's Lally.

It might be Callie. God damn it. How do I do that every week? I don't know. She'd wear underwear with dick holes in them. That's the best line. Not the person you just said. Silky Jensen would have said that about Rosy O'Densen would have said that about so much for everything you do other producers this week

are neil campbell happy birthday uh ashley lunsford uh tanya uh romisher rumisher uh again i'm an asshole uh and and fairy caitlin fralick uh cindy Morgan Haynes-Manyon, yes. Carolyn Jackson, LaLama. That's a hyphenated name, I think. Carolyn Jackson, LaLama. Lily Frank, Michael Nutt, Nicole Revis, Jill Knapp, Joshua Doyle, Jeff Huber, Alexandra Feliciano, Sarah Wetmore, Laura Michelli, Dustin Say, Danny Furlan, Travis Schaefer, Jura Freeman, Arda Cialava, Casey Handel, Hallie Franks, David DeBlaker, Stephanie May, Jessica Gonzalez, Jay Winarski. You had to turn the key a couple times on that one. Jessica Gonzalez, Jay Winarski, Allie Madden, Tiffany Summers, Rachel Tanner, Lauren Moore, Snoop and Bald Eagle, Olivia Herman, Jake Elliott, Stephanie Dupois, Susan Duquette, Austinather elizabeth mike singer jessica stewart megan with no last name alisa arsenalt uh melissa small nancy ellers a uh eelers or

ehlers uh ifa ifa ifa leaky yes uh maggie smith uh emily eldridge carrie hobbs hobson, shit. Jessica with no last name, Adrian Perry, Tyler Sheldon, Eric Hero, hero. Hero or hero? You're a goddamn hero to us. Aaron Parker, Tyler Sheldon, Eric, oh, I said that. Annie R., Rhiannon Garrett, Ryan Milligan, Danielle Hanson, Joe cassidy justin hinkle uh paul landis the victoria eves katie vance uh ann campbell zoe bednasak bednasak i think so sure i don't know bednasak it's a bednasak tara uh tara no last name uh jeremy compton tanya albany albone uh tommy out agalar uh nicola master antonio master anton. That's what that is.

Like the chick from the 80s. Yeah, like the 80s actress with the big hair. Right. From fucking Robin Hood, right? Was she in Robin Hood? I guess so. Yeah, she was the love interest. Yeah, whatever.

Lena Mason, Kristen Sessor. Sessick? Sessar? Sessor. It's a story of 16th century England where Kevin Costner goes out with a Spanish chick. It's pretty rad. It's very edgy. Hilary Klonowski, Paul Weigel, Jeff Skiner, Dana Papalia, Megan with no last name, Rohit Sharma.

Rohit Sharma. I'm not going to fucking try to culture it up like I know what I'm talking about. Like I know how to whatever that is. Probably for the best. Probably. culture it up like I know what I'm talking about. Like I know how to whatever that is. Probably for the best. Probably.

Christy Corbeil, Cole Bressler, Patty Trofoni, Van Honeys, Conies, Van Honeys, Conies. Oh, and something else. And I couldn't see what the rest of it was. I don't know what it is. I'm so sorry, Van. Kelly, Kelly Trainer, Max with no last name. Mary Carmody, Carmody Trotman uh lord carmode that's what that is i think laurie with no last name sarah reichert and the home stretch here we go uh this is going

to be a motherfucker uh mckenna mckenna farmer elizabeth yarwood carrie no carrie isaacson kyle andrew mooney uh david cohen jeff thompson ayala tiffin tiffin broon that's what it is margaret brady Total Axe that's a place where you can go throw axes and shit I think it's in Detroit it might just be in Michigan sounds fun for some reason yeah Julie Julie Jordan Bennett Dana Grace and Dana how are you Boney Santa Boney Santa Maria I don't know what that is that right it might be wrong Benjamin Wilkinson. Catherine Parenteau. Natalie with no last name.

Crystal Walker. Philip Close. Thomas Smith. Gary Howard. Gabija. Gabija Vicente. Fucking Vaseline. No.

Vasonate. Gabaji. Vasonate. What? I don't know what just happened. Sloan Tate. Justin Miller. Troy Lindsey. Christine Crew.

Look, I'm just blasted through at this point. I'm like, look, I'm going to look like an asshole. I'll just look like a real asshole. Just plow through. Adam Udani, Amanda Tucker, I think. No, yes. Christine Crew, Emily Richmond, Elizabeth Gamble, Callie Shinkunas. See, I can knock that one out.

Melissa McCutcheon deborah haley of ashley vio rachel greco jenna sinevieve nope uh but we'll see you in milwaukee yeah uh diane durbin connie snow uh taylor laura uh no cara cara oh that's caracciolo hey that's what that is caracciolo right that one uh does it je Caracciolo. I like that one. Good name. Did I say Jeff Conner? I did. Conover. You said it now.

Sonny Johansson, Brendan Ables, Jesse Hartman, Megan Wick, Dylan Jenkins, Caitlin Wilhelm, Jackie Sukup, Robin Anderson, Joe Weinberner, Jessica Moss, Alison Gorman. No, German. That's what that is. David Bernhardt, Sally Norris, Elizabeth Nitros. No, Nigros. That's what that is. All right. Yeah, Nigros.

Nigros? Oh, it's just Nigro. That's what it is. Oh. Because she said it's pronounced like Nitro. So now every time I put a little T in there to try to remind me, and it never works. try to remind me and it never works so savannah shahan uh lubinka lubinka duzel uh liz vasquez tyler gwil emmanuel christian uh stephen rude mark foster al gina huber peyton meadows uh over in over at pele medical spa up in new hampshire my girl went and got her her eyelashes done by uh

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And we cannot wait to try to keep giving you good shows and good live shows and uh if you buy a ticket to one of our shows man we feel like it's our personal responsibility for you to think it's the best show you ever saw i want to let you down or else yeah we feel embarrassed if people paid money and came out of their house specifically to see us we're like oh shit we better make it good yeah we're really sounds terrible we feel terrible we feel super put upon Yeah, we're really... That sounds terrible. We feel... Terrible. We feel super put upon to where we're like, not in a bad way, we're like, we need this to be good. I have to make this worth their time.

We can't hurt these people because they've done so much for us, so thank you. And the other part is that we, because we're comics, we want to leave a lasting impression on you of what you've seen here because we want you to also go see other podcasts live. And if we suck. Go see them if they're comedians. Right. They're not performers. Right.

They're probably not performers. So that's a problem. But go see performers perform. I want you to go see Dan Cummins. I want you to go see his show. Absolutely. Great comedian. And if you see us.

Fucking great comedian. And you like what we do, go see him. If you see him and you like what he does, we can do as good as Dan. We'll do as good as Dan. We love you, Dan dan you fucker we love you hillbilly gym looking bastard we do love dan a lot he's a fucking kindred spirit with that bastard i love that guy but uh what if people wanted to tell you how much they hate you how do they do you can tell me uh the the terrible opinions that i have at at wisman sucks w-h-I-S-M-A-N sucks on Twitter, Twitter, Instagram and Snapchat. It's it's it's really a nice break in everyday life to hear from you guys.

So thank you so much. And where can they find you and tell you that your opinion about babies is shit? Tell me that sounds terrible. You can find me at Jimmy P is funny or just copy and paste my last name from the show description if you don't want to get too crazy or that sounds terrible or that sounds terrible which i am going to find that on twitter and you better do it i have to do it tonight but i'll get it and it'll be on there and we'll advertise it on there and i'll tell you what sounds terrible you can tell me what your friends are doing i'll tell you what they're doing wrong and then you can

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