Small Town Murder - #132 - Why Let One Live? in Weisenberg, Pennsylvania

Episode Date: August 15, 2019

This week, in Weisenberg, Pennsylvania, a seemingly happy family moves to a new state, and everything is going wonderfully. Soon, financial problems start to spring up, and tensions rise, but the result is something that no one expected, as police have to follow a series of cryptic hand written notes, leading them to a horrible scene. But where is the killer? This is a twisted one!Along the way, we find out that Pennsylvania German exists as a language, that happy family Christmas photos aren't always what they seem, and most of all, always be nice to your step parents!!Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman New episodes every Thursday! Donate at: patreon.com/crimeinsports or go to paypal.com & use our email: [e-mail] Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder & Crime In Sports! Follow us on... twitter.com/@murdersmall facebook.com/smalltownpod instagram.com/smalltownmurder Also, check out James & Jimmie's other show, Crime In Sports! On iTunes, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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We've been going bouncing back and forth west and east. We're crisscrossing this bitch. We're crisscrossing. That's how we do this, babe. We're going to do this right now. We're going all the way to Pennsylvania. Oh, great. Back to Pennsylvania here.

It's Weisenberg, Pennsylvania. Now, if it's weisenberg i apologize i'm gonna say weisenberg and i don't want to be corrected because i don't care yeah it's uh it's weisenberg very breaking yeah i really don't give a shit it's fine weisenberg pennsylvania and sometimes it's weisenberg township and weisenberg but they're the same place. It seems to be a collection of a couple smaller towns. They have these townships back there where they'll have a couple of little towns, and it's under one town's banner. That's what that means? Because you say it a lot, and I just didn't have the balls to ask, because I didn't want

to sound stupid. Sometimes. That's how they name them back there. What the fuck a township is. I guess that makes sense. It's like a friendship, multiple things. Township. I guess if it was one town. Relationship. Relationship. There's always more than one party involved in those, I guess, in sense. It's like a friendship, multiple things, township. I guess if it was one town.

Relationship. Relationship. There's always more than one party involved in those, I guess, in any kind of ship. There's more than one party. We're going to ship them. We're going to ship them. It's in eastern Pennsylvania. It's outside of Allentown.

It's like kind of a suburban area of Allentown, which you may know from the very depressing Billy Joel song about the town where it crumbles and a man finally gives up in the end of the song. It's about a prosperous place that slowly crumbles and breaks a man to the point where he can't even go out and try anymore. In the end, he's not getting up today. That's the end of the song it's very depressing and the video for some reason is just naked men's asses i don't understand why i don't think i've ever seen the video oh it's hilarious i listened to this book actually about uh it's kind of like

the history of mtv yeah and the guy who directed it was like i didn't realize how like just outwardly gay our video was it's super gay He's like, why did I film a shower scene with 20 dudes with soaped up asses? What was I thinking? That's fine and all, but he's like, I don't know, it doesn't really fit the song. Or Billy Joel, or it's just a weird touch. Soaped up asses for a man that's going to quit.

It's just really weird. Yeah, it's a strange thing. So yeah, outside of Allentown. So that gives you the kind of layout of where we are here. I don't think Billy Joel ever put together a video that made any fucking sense for his songs you know i guess uptown girl was just him dancing around a garage with you know christy brinkley walking around singing to her sort of made sense in a weird 50s way i mean he always said that he didn't want to put lyrics to

a song because it ruins the song so it makes sense that he doesn't give a shit about the video either well he's not he's one of those guys that wasn't into video. Right. Because he didn't. He just wants to make music. He didn't want to ever. He just didn't think he was a real. He didn't think his face was the attraction.

I got news for Billy. He's right. Yeah. He's like, I'm better off if people just hear my music. Yeah. Don't look at this. This is not positive. I feel like it's.

Even when he had hair, he was this frightening looking man. Yeah. He's not a handsome fellow. He's a goblin. Yeah. He's a goblin. So he's. Hideous fellow. He is. goblin. Yeah. He's a goblin. So, he's... Hideous fellow.

He is. It's an hour and five minutes to Philly. It's right outside Philadelphia here. By the way, we'll be in Philadelphia in November. You should come to that show. We'll be there at the Fillmore. That's right. Beautiful place.

It's gorgeous, actually. An hour and 50 minutes to New York City. Okay. So, it's right in the middle. It's where they used to do the WWF wrestling tapings back in the day when they were still the WWF and not E. Allentown, P.A. Allentown, back in like the 70s and 80s, they used to do TV tapings there. So it's Blue Collar Town, basically.

It's about four hours and 20 minutes to Pittsburgh over on the other side, which will also be this year. But that's sold out, so we don't have to really push it. We don't have to talk about that. So anyway, it's in Lehigh County. Area code 610. It's about 27 square miles. So it's an area of encompassing a couple other little towns and rural. Woodsy shit? Woodsy.

It's woodsy. That's a good way to put it. There's woods. People have yards. There's some space between houses in a lot of this area. If there was one, it'd be upstate Pennsylvania. This is kind of what it is. Yeah. West Virginia, Pennsylvania. There is kind of what it is. Yeah.

West Virginia, Pennsylvania. There you go. The way you put it. The way I put Western New York is West Virginia, New York. So a motto, quote, Amish country's that way. Got it. So keep going. That's it.

You're close. You're close. No more steel jobs. They're all rusted out. They're all gone. It's all rusted over. Sorry. This is the rust belt for a reason dan carnegie's gone really if you think about allentown is the fucking is the first click

on the rust belt it's the first spot that i would think it's the first tooth in the it's the first yeah it's right there and then if anything west of that is rust belt in that area but that's the farthest east rust belt you get is allentown. So there you go, the beginning of the Rust Belt. The first notch in the Rust Belt. That's something you want to get right in. We're the first orange town. That's it. Perfect. Weisenberg, the township

was formed out of 1753. This area kind of came together. So this is all old time. It's outside of Philly, so you can expect that. Weisenberg was named for the city of Weisenberg, which is now Weisenborg, which was in Europe. So as they do, they name it after that. It's a German thing, and the majority of the townspeople had come from this area.

So they just said, let's just name it the same shit. Why move? We've said this all the time. Why move? Why leave to go somewhere the same? Try to make it the same. It doesn't make sense. First settlements took place in 1734 on and around where the Siegel Church is, I guess.

The township is part of the territory purchased by thomas penn of pennsylvania fame it's kind of a big fucking deal of whole state fame you know yeah he's got a station for fuck's sake he's got an all state and a and and teams and uh he's got a lot going on all over the fucking lot going on for this guy here his name's everywhere absolutely all over the place from 17, he bought it from the Lenny Lanapi tribe, which sounds like a guy who owns a pizza place

in Philly. Lenny Lanapi, how you doing? I own Lenny Lanapi's down on Broad Street, you know, that place. It sounds like

the original name of the Oompa Loompas and Willie changed it because there were too many L's. He's like, you know what? I like it though.

Lenny Lanapi's, it's good. Pizza, it's good. It's like Luigi Pizarro's from Cryman Sports. Lenny Lanapi's. Just a bunch of L's, N's, A's, and L's. He's like, you know what? I like it, though. Lenny Lanappi's. It's good. Pizza, it's good. It's like Luigi Pizarro's from Cryman Sports. Lenny Lanappi's. Just a bunch of L's, N's, A's, and I's. That's it.

Lenny Lanappi's slices. Come on down. I got the crispiest, sauciest pie. You're not going to believe it. I got cheesesteaks, too, but we don't really do that as much. I know it's Philly. That's not enough different letters. He needs more letters than that.

Lenny Lanappi's. There's only a few letters in that. And he just fucking used a shitload of them. He did. So Lenny Lenape sold his pizza place to Thomas Penn in 1737. Actually, the Lenny Lenape tribe of the Delaware Indians were there through the, I guess they called it a walking purchase. I don't know why that is.

I don't get it. They called it a walking purchase. I don't know why that is. I don't get it. The home sites here were chosen close to water, basically, where there was water to drinking water, pure spring water. And a lot of them were like at the entrance of valleys, as you'll find in Pennsylvania. And that's where they put towns there in the beginning, because I don't know why. I'm not sure.

It makes sense. That's where there was spring water, apparently. Yeah, you had to drink. Gravity works and such. I'm not sure. I'm not an expert on where there was spring water, apparently. Yeah, you had to drink. Gravity works and such. I'm not sure. I'm not an expert on water and how it comes. This isn't River Talk. This is not River Talk, as we've discussed before. River Talk with James and Jimmy.

Yeah, so people were trying to get like 50 to 100 acre plots there, and people built like cabins and log cabins and shit like that. And it was just kind of- 50 to 100 acres. Yeah. That's amazing. Well, it was just kind of... 50 to 100 acres. Yeah. That's amazing. That was just nothing. There was nothing there.

So it was like, well, shit, I guess take a big giant swath of it. There wasn't that many people either. Yeah. So a lot of these homes were between... Right before the turn of the century to the 1800s, a lot of these homes were dismantled and replaced by more permanent homes.

So these were like kind of throw it up, winter's coming. You better get some logs up because this wind's going to start kicking. Pennsylvania winter is no goddamn joke. No, it's not. No, you don't want to be in an Allentown winter. It's goddamn rough here. So, yeah, they did.

Apparently, as 1789, the houses, 91 were log cabins, log houses. Three houses were of stone and log together. I think it's just stone foundation maybe with some log stacked. And five were pure stone. Oh. Those must be the rich people. Yeah. Pure stone.

We don't need logs. They heard the three little pigs story. Yeah. They're like, we're not doing this shit. Sticks come down. That's what I'm saying. So that was, you know, there was 99 dwellings then. And in 1998, there was 1,400 dwellings then and in 1998 there was 1400 dwellings

so that's kind of where we go here uh there was a lot going on with the american revolution here obviously as you would you would imagine so they had the weisenberg militia which was a proprietor of the bops manor house organized the weisenberg associators who became the weisenberg militia and because that's what they used to do in these days and even up to the civil war defend your own town these towns would just gather up a you'd gather up a troop whoever like the town teacher or like whoever was the respected guy in town would be the troop leader and he'd gather up the you know people from the town and they'd be like this this is our fighting squad. And they'd go to train together. Like civil wars, when there'd be a massacre on one side, whole towns would be wiped out

because regiments were towns. They didn't spread that shit out. So it would be like, everyone died. All the men under 24 died today. It's like, holy shit, all of them. They're fucked. It's crazy, yeah. It's going to change our age demographic for james

later it's gonna screw everything up screw the whole damn thing up that's what happened and then they drive me crazy now it would be like gated community versus gated community yeah that would be a big thing they just stay and hurl insults at each other they post on instagram yeah or on that next door yeah next door the next door app and they take pictures over the wall and shit like that look at these assholes are wearing look at these idiots jesus christ look at this lawn Or on that next door, that next door app. The next door app, and they take pictures over the wall and shit like that. Look at what these assholes are wearing. Look at these idiots. Jesus Christ.

Look at this lawn furniture all over the place. So this regiment went to New York and joined Washington's army and fought under General Sterling in the Battle of Long Island, which I don't know what you're fighting over Long Island for. I've been there. That's fascinating. Whoever wants it, let them have it, because it's a piece of shit. Enjoy your Ferris wheel. Enjoy it.

So later on here, there was an encampment at the Bop's Manor House to recruit and drill soldiers for Washington's army. So it was a big like this turned into like a center, a very central part of some of the training and things like that. like that uh people the uh the the british evacuated philadelphia and the these this militia was engaged in the pursuit of the british through new jersey which sounds hilarious doesn't it sound so funny that they were hunting the british through new jersey it's just so weird that is funny it's i don't know why it's just so ridiculous to hear that i don't know why they cornered him in atlantic city they caught the general right he was on a slot machine he was having a good run and they got him to run yeah yeah i would say so uh for the first 200 years here uh the german there was a german dialect here which is known as pennsylvania german it's a different it's kind of known as pennsylvania german it's a

different it's kind of like creole french oh boy it's a dirty dirty german yeah uh which so they say like water ice that shit it's a weird it's no there's it's part german it's a really it's its own language oh boy it's its own language uh does any of them still exist pennsylvania is a weird place yeah well prior to 1837 all business was conducted in pennsylvania german really yeah uh but deeds and agreements were recorded in english at the courthouses but that was like the official language for a long time fascinating yeah uh now pennsylvania uh adopted a school so the free school system at one point in english uh was a school requirement and pennsylvania's german though was still spoken in the majority of the households in the early 1900s.

Wow. Yeah, it's French Creole. It's the same thing here. So worship services by the churches were conducted in German until the 1920s when they started having English services, kind of like the Catholics had Latin services until the fucking 70s or whatever. That is super interesting. Yeah, yeah. So it's crazy. So township meetings

were conducted in pennsylvania german all the way up to the 1970s 70s with english spoken only when new residents attended meetings or made requests for a translation of into an actual language one that actually fucking exists yeah can you say that in an actual language please because that what you've made up is not a language. Essentially, you guys are speaking pig Latin in here, and this is stupid. It's really weird. I'm going to head down to Houma, Louisiana, where they speak Creole French, and it's a little better. I can understand.

So, yeah, they had the school system here. The students were taught in English. They had an adoption of that, and then they built a bunch of one-room schoolhouses, and it was weird. A bunch of them? A bunch of one-room schoolhouses. And it was weird. A bunch of them? A bunch of one-room schoolhouses. Very, very strange here. And other schools, god damn it, the one-room schoolhouses weren't closed until 1951. So, I mean, that's how long they stayed.

This is like, it's practically Amish here. Are they like bounced around the town? It's like German Amish. One-room schoolhouses? No, I feel like they're... Are they all right next to each other no they have them all over one room school i guess so for neighborhoods like a very much more local that's so weird way of education which sounds scary and they're going to teach things kids shit that doesn't turn them into whatever weird yeah pennsylvania dutch german weirdness jesus

so uh they had businesses uh chocolate factory carriage works dairies general stores that sort of place here blacksmiths gunsmiths everything like that uh finally when they got a printing press going that's when it really started starts jamming starts cooking there here farming was the main industry though for the first 200 years until like this century when you know professional farming is less less for a you know a family business anymore here. People in this town, 5,099 in the whole area and 27 square miles, up 57% since 1990. So that's a suburban, it's an hour away from Philly. Yeah.

So, I mean, you can, you know. You could commute, I suppose. You could commute. And Philly, when we go to Philly and we talk to people, no one in that city lives in that city. That's true. I've never spoken to a person who lives in the city of philadelphia everyone lives in new jersey yeah or they live in the you know somewhere in the burt no one lives in philly it's a weird steve

schnell lives in there does he live in the city i think he does probably lives in jersey everybody lives in jersey i wouldn't be surprised it's super he's in pa somewhere he is he is yes somewhere close by i imagine we like steve schnell Here, the male population higher than the female population. That might be a jobs thing, as we'll talk about when we get to it. The average age here, median age, is 45.7, which is high. It's about seven years older than our normal average, eight years older. But when you look at the demographics, it's not like there's a shitload of old people and not a lot of kids.

It's pretty much everything's on course. There's just more 45-year-olds than 35-year- demographics, it's not like there's a shitload of old people and not a lot of kids. It's pretty much everything's on course. There's just more 45-year-olds than 35-year-olds, it seems. It's not that out of whack. It seems like a place where you would go if you waited until you were 38 to have kids and made a little bit of money and moved your family out to there, where you have kids but you're still 47, 48 years old. This joint is expensive as fuck, isn't it? So there you go.

It's going to be, anytime we have these, they're expensive. Married population, 63%, which backs up my theory of families, older families moving there. There are always higher marriage rates here. Currently married is higher. The never married is usually a third of the population never married here it's 21 divorce rate is low uh widow rates a little bit high but nothing crazy there uh here as we look at all this stuff like single uh uh single with no children lower than normal it's not a lot just everything's single lower so it's a married town uh race of this town, 93% white. So pretty goddamn white.

0.0% black. That's not it, huh? I don't understand how that, how is that possible an hour away from Philadelphia? How is that possible? I don't understand. That seems on purpose. It has to be. Like there's no either, on purpose on one side or the other.

Like, man, we're not fucking going there or we don't fucking want them here. One of the two. Could be both. Maybe it's, yeah. Maybe, man, we're not fucking going there or we don't fucking want them here. One of the two. Could be both. Maybe it's, yeah. Maybe it's, you know what? We don't want to go there. Well, good, because we don't want you. Mutually, we've decided to not go forward with this relationship.

0.4% Asian. Not a lot of Asians. 5.9% Hispanic. It's a white town. It's, yeah. 51% of the people here are religious, which is about average. 21% Catholic because Catholics are the Baptists

of the North, as we know. Some Lutherans here also. Some German holdovers, I feel like, there. 1% Jewish! How about that? Hava Nagila! Hava Nagila! Hava Nagila! There we go.

They got one. They got one. One solid percent. What's that? Like six times we've gotten to do that? Maybe five in the whole existence of the show. 132 episodes. Five towns have 1% Jewish people.

That's interesting. 0.9% Islam, too. So there's some people there of different persuasions. 50% of the people politically voted Democrat in the last election. 45% Republican. About 5% Independent, as you would tell if you do math. The economy here, unemployment rate's about average. It's a little over 4.

It's in the ballpark, which for this area, that's a big comeback from what it was back in the day. Not a bad deal here median household income normally in the rest of the country 57 000 here it is 94 000 my word yeah so it's a this is what i mean you move here to get away from the city oh somewhere nice to have a yard for the kids and shit like that uh job wise though a lot of construction that's higher than normal uh manufacturing is double the normal rate here so it's it's a lot of that there's some white collar stuff too but it's actually below average so people i feel like probably aren't people that make a lot of money probably aren't working here they're working somewhere else and and coming here

to you know sleep at night sort of thing uh cost of living 100 is average regular par here it is a 127 so it's a little bit high most of the things are pretty close to normal except for housing which is a 170 okay so it's a little high median home cost three hundred thirty three thousand seven hundred dollars everybody's making a hundred grand yeah that's so it's great it fits sort of and you can find some houses that are if you don't mind having a little fixer-upper, you can find some houses with some decent land and stuff like that. When I look at the houses, most of them seem to be, about 65% of them are between $200,000 and $400,000. That's your average.

And if we've convinced you, the only place for you is Weisenberg, Pennsylvania. We have the Weisenberg, Pennsylvania Real Estate Report. Your average two-bedroom rental here goes for about $1,130. So that's basically $20 off the average here. The house is, I found, a three-bedroom, three-bath, 1,856-square-foot house here. Good house. It's rough. It needs a lot of work.

It's big. It's big, it's nice, it's got good bones, nice land, good yard, but it needs a shitload of work. It's rough, $159,000. Okay. You need to really work it before you move in. Yeah, absolutely.

I found a four-bedroom, three-bath, 2,240-square-foot house here, and this is nice and ready to move in. Yeah, absolutely. I found a four-bedroom, three-bath, 2,240-square-foot house here. And this is nice and ready to move in and stuff like that. $330,000, which seems to be your average home there. Got it. $2,200, four, three, $330,000 is the average price. And then I found something.

This is on a really nice yard. It's a brick house. It's gorgeous. Three-bedroom, three- three bedroom three bath 3200 square feet really nice house really cool house if you wanted to live back there this is the type of house you'd want it's only three bedrooms it's only three bedrooms that means some big ass rooms are in that house fucking rooms big family rooms probably a big basement big ass kitchen uh 450 thousand dollars so not awful not awful if you if you want to do that now things to do

in this town uh wow i found it's called the i don't even know the it's the weirdest thing i've ever seen in my life so i had to do it the spoit yar fest but it's f e f-h-t fall festival f-e-h-t s-p-o-a-t-y-a-h-r that's the first word spoyar i assume uh and then the second word is f-e-s-h-t no fest these are not words no fall festival i'm so confused about this even after looking at their facebook page and everything else i really don't know why they're gathering i'm still trying to figure it out they didn't give real words maybe those are like some maybe they're like when you rearrange german i feel like yeah it could be or you like rearrange the words what is that thing called maybe yeah whatever that thing is yeah i know i don't know yeah it is yeah it's that's the one yeah i don't know what is it s-p-o-t that could be y-a-r yeah

guys start writing this down let's do this wow well yared uh post dairy fest fest her dairy fall fest there's no dairy in there i don't know where we got dairy from. Didn't you say D-A-R-Y? No, I did not say dairy at all. I said S-P-O-A-T-Y-A-H-R. Oh, there's an H. Post Hairy. Yes. I'm just looking for anything.

I'm grasping at hairs. Well, let's see what they have here. Grasping at hair sounds... I don't know what that is. You better be falling off a cliff or something or else you're really being a dick jesus uh well it says join us for our annual festival okay sure noon to six both days all right the theme this year is quote why didn't our ancestors identify their photos can you help what does that fucking mean well if their ancestors weren't supposed to walk over that guy kind of looks like that's what i mean i don't understand can you help

how am i supposed to help i can't help oh that's my uncle perb from 1827 yeah i know i never met the fucking guy i don't know what he looks like pictures all over my house of the guy no our buildings will be open with new displays okay where. Where? Why? What buildings? Including our new displays in the top of the barn. Okay. That's a clue. There's a barn. That's what it is. If you can figure out this invitation, you could be here.

Well, they close it out wonderfully here. Children's activities. Animals. Okay. To pet. To feed. To look at. I don't fucking know.

They'll be here. Baked goods. Good food and food trucks. There'll be here baked goods good food and food trucks there'll be good food and also food trucks but not both well there are animals maybe they're gonna make the animals you know how i feel about eating food from a truck while i fucking smell diesel fuel that's just i feel like there's better ways of delivering the food that's all there's a better delivery system than that. Have a grilled cheese. Well, yeah. Is there a place I can go where I can stand in the sun, you know, while I can feel even

hotter air coming from a fucking window and smell diesel fuel and wait for a bunch of people to sweat because they're sweating profusely. No one in a food truck isn't pouring sweat, sweating all over my barbecue sandwich that you're going to give me, my pulled pork that I can't get anywhere else but from a truck. No. So anyway, if you work at a construction site, I get it. But if there's people that get out of their homes, get in their cars and go find a food truck thing, I'm going to go to that truck.

No. The food trucks show up to office buildings now as like. That I understand. But as a reward from like the management. That's ridiculous. That's cheap shit. Take me to a fucking restaurant and pay the tab, you cocksuckers. Thank you.

Stop. Pay. Yeah. Don't have some dude bring $4 worth of basket meals to people here. Get some walls and I'll try your food. How's that? Make it so an engine doesn't have to be running while I'm eating and then we'll talk about He's sucking in your goddamn diesel fumes.

So good food and food trucks both. Got it. In case you want to be cheap, there's that. Demonstrations and vendors. Demonstrations of what? What? What the fuck are you talking about? And vendors of what?

Music on Saturday by the Rerig Brothers. Oh, boy. R-E-H-R-I-G. I know people are going anagram two people are gonna tweet at us saying what you know fucking grammy award winning amazing they're a legendary whatever pennsylvania german dutch band i don't know but we've never heard of the rarig brothers it's like lou garrig but with an r no that's not a word rarig brothers and on sunday by country rhythm i don't know uh this is the most vague invitation I've ever heard.

And then the last line, they almost acknowledge it. The last line is, quote, come out and see what we're all about. They're like, we have a real shit festival. Rather than oversell, let's keep it super vague. Let's undersell like crazy. And people are going to be just peak curiosities. Grab their curiosity with Rarig. Can you help?

Rarig brothers are coming. you know the Rarig brothers are coming come see what we're all about maybe they'll stop by we'll have good food and bad food I don't know it's both

come on by so that is the vaguest weirdest thing to do we've ever we've ever come across you know I still don't know

what he's doing what they're doing often times they go too far and they tell us all the things and you're like there's no fucking way I'm going to that last week they said it was the greatest event ever ever ever these people are like come see what we're all about i don't know could be

good could be good we don't know we're not sure we haven't done it yet it's coming up we're the rare rig brothers they might just you know throw up on stage and slip and fall down and they might not even show up who knows i don't even know if they're from Allentown. Country rhythm might have to do both days. We're not positive. So, yeah, crime rate in this town, what we're interested in, property crime is about half the average. So it's a suburban, older, you know, you could tell just by the stats

that it's not going to be a real crime-ridden town. Violent crime here, less than half the average. Yeah. So very safe, very not full of crime, Not going to be a real crime ridden town. Violent crime here. Less than half the average. Yeah. So very safe. Very not full of crime. A place where people go move away from the city and and raise their precious little children. Yeah.

With a bigger yard. Right. And where they can keep an eye on them. So exactly. That said, let's talk about a murder. All right. That happened here. What do you say? Was it somebody?

Did they murder the people that wrote that flyer? Let's hope so. For being Vegas fuck? They showed up at the festival and they said, I came to see what you're all about. You said there was good food and food trucks. You told me you sold me this bill of goods. You said demonstrations. Demonstrate, you son of a bitch.

I have seen no one demonstrate a fucking thing since I've been here. And I'm a little disappointed about it. I'm not going to lie to you. I'm a little disappointed about it. I'm not going to lie to you. I'm a little disappointed about it. So yeah, I'm murdered. I understand that anybody who's paid attention to the media would have to come to the conclusion that I killed my wife.

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And I have to take it all from what I've seen in movies, and the movies that I've seen, well-documented, are shitty representations of time periods. Totally. That's what I'm saying.

So this time, we're going back to 1991, a time we're both familiar with. We were both very much alive in 1991 and doing... Trying to figure out who the fuck I was. Trying to figure it all out.

Yeah. I was a mess in 1991. A goddamn disaster. About to have a growth spurt. Yeah. Very, very bad. I was still short and fat at this point in my life. I'm still the same size.

Perfect. Perfect, perfect. So we'll go back to January 6th, 1991 in Pennsylvania. Yeah. So the holidays have just passed. Yeah. 91, still kind of tough times around that area. What day?

January 6th. Okay. So I'm still disappointed from Christmas. Oh, yeah. We're both super upset. I'm still looking at the shit my mom got me going, really? Thanks a lot. But for me, the Giants will win the Super Bowl in about three weeks.

So that's a plus. Yeah. That's good shit. I don't know what's going to happen yet, but they injure joe montana soon and like in like a week they're gonna break joe montana into 12 pieces have that dirt clump hanging off his helmet you know great that was i want to go back there just for that so uh anyway back there uh let's talk about a young lady first let's talk about stacy young stacy stacy novitaski. She is 15 years old at this point in time. Young Stacy.

They live in and when Weisenberg, her family and we'll talk about her family, but they're newer to the area. They haven't been here quite a year yet. So it's a new thing. She goes to work on Sunday, January 6th. She's 15 years old. She's got a weekend job, which, I mean, that's nice. Good for her.

She's hustling. Her job is at Roy Rogers in Trexler Town. You know what Roy Rogers is? Yeah, it's a terrible burger joint. If you're not a... It's bad stuff. Some people, I don't think they have it everywhere, but Roy Rogers is like a kind of a Western-themed burger place.

It's bad stuff. I haven't been there since I was 11, probably, so I don't remember if it was good or bad i remember they had burgers and like fried chicken fried chicken was big that was bad and racist nan loved roy rogers i'm not kidding my grandmother racist nan uh not grandma who's alive now racist nan who's dead uh she absolutely adored roy rogers She would go there because she was so fucking cheap. She felt that when she went to Roy Rogers because there was a, quote, fixin's bar where you dressed up your burger. She was ballin'.

She was fucking ballin'. Because she'd stack it with lettuce and tomato and onions and pickles and all this shit. As many as she wants. As much as you want. She felt that that was value then. So she wouldn't go anywhere else because they'd skimp on all that shit so she'd go to roy rogers and take me there and tell make sure to tell me to get get more lettuce and tomatoes like what why is it better if i don't want it i don't want eight tomatoes on a hamburger they slide out it's weird and you

can't taste the burger it's all tomato it's probably for the best of rogers but yeah i mean it's just a step below fuddruckers but their fried chicken was pretty good if i remember but i don't remember it was 1992 was probably the last time i had it so it's not good i'm not positive it's fast food james it's not good yeah but there's fast food popeyes is pretty goddamn good you got a point i'm sorry you can get it in two seconds out a window but it's goddamn good raisin canes is insanity i don two seconds out a window but it's goddamn good raisin canes is insanity i don't like real oh my god it's dry and weird oh you had somebody ruin yours because i've never been there where it was dry it's always juicy and incredible popeyes

is like that's so good homemade fried chicken so goddamn good and the breading is super good it's crispy but it's not overwhelming like KFC's crap. Oh, God. When you take a bite of it, it's all bread? It's all bread. And you're like, where's my chicken? I'm dead. Dig for chicken.

No, Popeye's is good shit. God damn it. Go get Popeye's. Is there going to be a fucking chicken cook's hand in here? Because there's so much breading. It could be anything. It could just be a worker's foot breaded very heavily. If you get the extra crispy, you'd never know because you're full by the time you get to whatever the meat is you've eaten six inches of breading it didn't

gnaw through so bad so uh yeah she works at roy rogers which oh god remember having a teenage fast food job you ever have a teenage fast food joint yeah i worked at that's not fast food fast food was it a peter piper okay that's that's never mind you. That's as fast as he gets. Never mind, you're right. That's not a restaurant. No. I worked at a pizza place that was like a good Italian restaurant that also made pizza. This is fast pizza.

Yeah, no, that's shit. This is just essentially... It's kids putting it in a machine and going through. I had a crazy Albanian immigrant that was like crazy and like an artist with the pizza. No, no, no.

That sort of... This may as well be Lunchables that you ran through an oven. Yeah, that's basically what it is. One of those terrible ovens that makes... The never makes things so gross uh i worked at taco bell for two days really yeah for two days i i don't know i never worked at like a like that kind of place yeah i had to scrub the beans out of the pan at one point i'd quit too and i went across the street and got a job at the pizza restaurant on my lunch break literally went over there my

taco bell uniform and got a job it's like i can't do this anymore i can't do this went back taco bell i'm not doing this anymore literally was like i'm done with those beans and i'm out peace bitches and fucking started the next day for my three dollars i literally my check was like 31 dollars so i was making minimum wage in 1996 so So $4 an hour. Not great. I think it was 515 is what I was making back then. So very, very sad. And I didn't even finish my shift. I'm leaving. But not only does she work there, but her mom works there as well, which is not.

That's Jesus Christ. Her mom, Rosemary, also works at Roy Rogers. So it's a mother daughter Roy Rogers team here. But she's not there that day Rosemary, also works at Roy Rogers. So it's a mother-daughter Roy Rogers team here. But she's not there that day. Today, it's just Stacy working. She goes in the morning. Goodness for Stacy. She's got potential to get better.

Yeah, Stacy's just working. She's getting a paycheck. She's 15. She's hustling, man. Now, in the house with Stacy, Stacy's 15 years old. She lives with her mom, Rosemary Flood, who's 42. He's 15 years old. She lives with her mom, Rosemary Flood, who's 42.

She's got her stepfather there, who is 45 at this point, or 44. Her dad's David, David Flood. Also, her brother, Todd Novitaski, who's 18, Todd is. Her sister, Carrie Lynn Novitaski, who's 17. And then Carrie Lynn's boyfriend, Michael Fadden, is is 21 years old and they all live in the house together 21 and 17 and they live that's illegal fuck that not only is it illegal yeah that in your house leg my house that's leg breaking fucking are you kidding me right away i don't like the permissiveness no and i'm i'm not a fucking you know it's cool to be a cool parent or whatever but 21 17 my house ain't not happening no no i'm sorry not you're not getting on my property if you're 21 and your intention is to talk to my 17 year because i have

a 17 year old daughter trust me you don't want a 21 year old over here they're not coming over here i will stop that shit in the yard without being shy at all i will be in my yard he will not enter my no i will go hardcore old man on you in a minute i will age i'll age 20 years and turn into a i don't care it's happening stay away from my 17 year old as i say that some kids coming over because they're going to a concert tonight but he's in their class they're they're saying she's performing in it no no no they're going to a concert to watch it oh boy uh which is nice but they're friends it's nothing weird they're just friends but still it's not well i mean he's not like a 21 year old creep but no they're just

friends and they're not like but if he's her age it's still weird motherfucker oh i'd still yeah we still got problems we still got a chat and i don't trust you her friend from choir class i'm like okay this is all right this is fine it's closer be careful don't trust him be careful careful chief put it that way how do you do i'm italian what's your name come on inside don't worry about my name i'm italian sit down fuck out of here. Or just don't introduce them to the dogs and let them make them uncomfortable. How you doing?

I'm Italian. These are mine. These are mine. Just walk around. Keep them on leashes in the house. That's hilarious. These are mine. They really like my kid. They'd be real upset if something happened to her.

You know what I mean? You know how that goes, right? I can't let go of the chains. I can't. They'd be real obsessed if something happened to her. You know what I mean? You know how that goes, right? I can't let go of the chains. I can't. They will eat you. I just can't do it. I don't trust. Look, I don't know what they'll do.

I'm not positive. I don't trust it. I don't trust it and I don't want to have to be responsible for the consequences. That's all I'm saying. That's all I mean.

Have a good time. Bye. Wave at the door. See ya. Have fun. Enjoy yourself. I'm tracking her iPhone. Bye.

I'll find you. I'm tracking her iPhone with a fistful of dog leeches. That's it. As I wave and smile politely. That's good. That's going to be good stuff. That's happening's happening tonight that's gonna happen as soon as we're done here so uh yeah so anyway so she lives in this house with her family extended family stepdad brother's boyfriend of two old boyfriend for seven not even the 18 year old the 17 year old he's got to go out with are you out of your fucking boys i'd be more acceptable you know what that's what i mean that's what i said i'm lenient yeah i'm not i don't know if todd wants to fuck michael fatten that's his fucking prerogative he's 18

years old that's his business i don't care i'm not gonna tell him not to be gay be as gay as you want to be i don't give a shit she's 17 we don't do that you're gay be as gay as you can be i don't i don't give a shit my My kid or not. Have fun. That's not the type of parent I am. But 21 and 17? No. Now we got a problem. Now we got a problem.

Benny! Yeah, dogs. Frankie! Where you at? Let's go. They're probably going to hear. They're going to hear him at the door up there. Jesus Christ. So this day on January 6, 1991, young 15- stacy's at her on her shift at roy rogers

and she's told she can leave early i guess she got cut okay fast food you know it's you know whatever you're not busy you can go home she's the earliest yeah you can go home so she uh she's pretty studious too so i assume she's probably one of the better workers they have so she's told she can leave early so she calls her house to get a ride because you know she's 15 and she can't drive and it's january and she's not going to walk home that's horrible freezing cold so her stepfather answers david flood uh david h flood he's the uh he's you know who's home and to answer the phone to sunday morning she said can you pick me up he said no problem pick you up in about a half hour i got a couple things to fit a couple quote a couple things to finish up around the house that's what he told her he said i'll be

there in a minute no worries you know give me a half hour so no big deal she'll hang at the roy rogers and make an extra two dollars and 25 cents or whatever make an extra 227 what the hell a half hour why not i'll be there in eight quarters. Yeah, don't worry about it. Be there in about 8.05, 8.07. Is that what that is? Don't play an arcade game because you'll blow your whole salary. That's the problem here. My God. How horrible.

Jesus. So David Flood here. David's been a truck driver by trade. He's a truck driver. He's worked for several different companies, as we'll talk about here. He's married to Stacy's mom, and things seem to be have been going well they lived in connecticut earlier and we'll talk about when they moved to pennsylvania uh but just lately uh david's been out of work here uh through the holidays he's been out of work as a truck driver and so they've been

having a few financial difficulties uh lately the last couple months as it will i make it ends meet yeah on one on a roy rogers salary it's kind of difficult there you know when you take the trucking salary out of there so there's been it's been a little rocky you know just lately but not not too bad though they haven't been you know there's not fighting in the yard and having yeah knock down drag outs it's not small town murder level of of strife, as we've talked about sometimes when big neighbors are looking out the window while one of them's swinging a lawn chair

at the other one and the other one's swinging a weed whacker at him. And it's insane. And then somebody runs in with a gun and shoots everybody. And a totally separate person who has nothing to do with any of it comes in with a rifle and shoots them both

and then runs away in his underwear. And you're like, okay, what the fuck just happened? That's usual small town murder domestic strife here it's just been a little bit we don't have we have less money than we need and just that tension that goes on gee we've never no one's ever experienced no little tension over finances and marriage so yeah that's that's just the way marriages are so basically they're just normal, it seems like here. Now, Jerry Hudson, who's a friend of theirs, he was a caretaker at the property where Floyd used to, or Flood used to hunt, David Flood hunted. And they became friends, and Jerry's wife and Jerry and the Floods would hang out, basically, and do their thing. And Jerry and the floods would hang out, basically, and do their thing.

And they'd hang out on weekends, sometimes on weeknights after work. They'd hang out, have a couple drinks and all that sort of thing. They would hang out and chat during the weekends while basically they were moving into this house and they were polishing shit and doing things like that. this house and they would uh they were uh polishing shit and doing things like that i guess flood they would clean their the polished their copper bottom pans oh okay all the time yeah which wow that sounds like a boring existence yeah but when you use them a lot that bottom has to be cleaned because it's so gross like if anything boils over it sticks to that shit it would be like on the weekends be you're going to come over and talk while I clean the copper bottom pans? And that's what they would do. That's not a nice afternoon.

It seems not exciting. Oh, I'm going to go over to... No, honey, I got to go to Dave's. He's cleaning the copper bottom pan. I really got to be there for that. You know how it is. Haven't you seen... He gets them so clean.

It's amazing. It's pretty wild. He polishes them up. You should come too if you want, but don't really because it's just a guy thing. You know how it is. It's a guy thing to watch each other polish some copper. So

he says, though, his wife, Kim Hudson, she says, quote, David did everything for the kids. He would spend rent money to make sure they had what they wanted, which is nice, but probably not smart. How about we spend the rent money on the rent? I was going to say, how about we pay the rent first?

And then we'll worry about that. Because what they want is probably somewhere to sleep first. And then Nintendo and Sega. What they want and what they need. Progressively. The thing I heard every day of my entire life as a kid. Well, kids want a ton of shit. They also need shit. Like food and places to live and electric and stuff.

Yeah, that's the shit first. And then you get what they want based on, you know. Shelter food. Cover that first. Shelter clothes for food? Is that what it is? I think so. Shelter food and water?

Something like that. And clothes. Yeah. Those are what you need. Those are necessities. Those are necessities. The basics. So they said that Floyd, Davidities. Those are necessities. The basics. So they said that Floyd, David, I keep calling him Floyd.

It's Flood, damn it. David Flood, not Floyd. Right. So David here once spent more than $300 for a new bow and arrows for 18-year-old Todd. What? Because Todd wanted to bow hunt. Yeah. And so he also bought Todd a rifle and showed him how to hunt and showed him how to take care of the weapons and clean everything and how to clean animals if you hunt and things

like that. I mean, if you got no money, at least we can eat. That's the thing. You know what I had to buy? You really wanted the Sega Genesis. Right. So I bought it, which is great. But now we have to go hunt our food.

Right. That's the problem. You give a man a fish, teach a man. You know what it is so he was teaching him apparently david was really really obsessive about gun safety uh with the kids like he wanted the kids to know about the guns and but no very very they had he was very regimented about this is how you take it out this is what you do and there's no fucking around absolutely Absolutely. He was really, really studious about that, which is good. Absolutely. That's how you fucking should be when you're teaching children how to use deadly weapons.

You should probably teach them. Fingers off the trigger. Safety shit. Probably. But it's kind of like food and shelter. Yes. Get that first and then worry about the rest. Teach them how to handle it before you actually put it in their fucking hands.

That's a good thing here. how to handle it before you actually put it in their fucking hands. That's a good thing here. So now, David Flood bought Todd, the 18-year-old, a 1967 Chevy Nova

and helped him restore it. This guy's the greatest stepfather in the world. I love him. He, wow, what a great stepfather. Think about this shit.

He goes, he cares about the kid. He teaches him to hunt, teaches him to care for the, I mean, if that's what he's into. Gives him the weapons. Gives him the things, teaches him to care for the... I mean, if that's what he's into. Gives him the weapons.

Gives him the things, teaches him how to use it, teaches him how to do everything, buys him a 67 Nova, which is pretty fucking cool. It's a fun car. That's awesome. And then helps him restore it. Incredible.

And they did it together and probably bonded. What a goddamn cool stepfather. This is like a two percenter, this guy. These guys don't exist. Very few of these guys exist in the world so you know they're lucky that they're not allowed to not able to have kids what's going on with this guy i don't know he's so amazing to these kids i guess he didn't have his own kids

that's what i mean good guy here i'm 38 i'll still take him yeah come on dad let's go come on over mr flood let's go i'll change my last name, babe. It's okay. I got no attachment to that man. Tied to Wisman. You could change it on social media. It doesn't matter. That's easy. Who cares?

You're the guy on the show. It's fine. Fuck it. In two weeks, they'll all know you by your new name. Flood's so much easier to spell. Jimmy Flood. Yeah. Jimmy Flood from Small Town Murder and Crime and Sports.

I know him. That's all. Two weeks, they'll forget your name was Wisman. Oh, man. I'll buy the show. Come over and help me restore it let's go you could really do that nowadays too like back in the day as a comic you could never change your name if you called yourself jimmy chuckles on day one you're fucking jimmy chuckles because that's forever with this with podcasts you could literally change your name tomorrow in a year people be like his name wasn't

always jimmy flan or they'd be be like, James got a new co-host. He sounds just like the other guy. He's great. He's giggly. I'm okay. I'm on board. He giggles. He tells dick jokes.

I like this guy. He's good stuff. They'd probably have a better opinion of me. Butchers my name at the end of the show. That's good stuff. They're like, you know, I like this guy better. That other guy was a dick. Yeah, this one's a lot nicer.

You know, I think about it. He's a lot nicer. He balances. That's kind of the benefit here. He balances James. If I had the benefit of being able to throw my voice and change, like, if I could do characters, I could be somebody different every week, James. That would be amazing.

Well, I feel like you're supposed to be the nice one. Yeah. Because I'm a dick. I am pretty nice. But you're also a dick. It's pretty fun. Only when they deserve it. Well, we've taken it to a place, though, where there is no good cop, bad cop.

It's just bad cop. Bad cop and worse cop. Isn't he a dick? I'm a dick, too. Dickier cop. Bad cop and monster cop. Yeah. And we can play you the role.

Asshole cop and dick cop. It depends on how it works. So, Jesus Christ. And we are fucking it. Oh, my God. So, the Hutsons also talk about how David devoted lots of time and money to the family dogs also. So the family kids, he was a caretaker. The kids, the dogs, they had a Doberman named Samson and a collie named Baby.

And he said that he cared for them. He was always bathing them and taking care of them and taking them. He said he would spend tons of money having them dipped for fleas and groomed and all that shit which a doberman's pretty short hair i don't know how much grooming do you need to do you hose them down every once in a while i probably dip him at home yeah i mean yeah i was him down you put some dog shampoo like frankie we bathe frankie she loves it yeah it's good stuff but a collie's a nightmare oh a lot of all that hair good take God. Even Benny we take. Yeah?

Take him and shave him up? He hates water. Oh. So if a 125-pound dog doesn't want to be bathed, it's not an easy... He doesn't get bathed. It's just not an easy task. You have to take him to one of the things where they have to put him in a... Right.

Where he can't move. Right. Yeah. He's one of those. One of those chambers? Yeah. Three people can't hold him down. I mean, you could walk him through a car wash. should do it oh god jesus christ his neck is bigger than my thigh is

the problem so you can't like hold him or do anything so uh he's a good guy is what it is dipping the dogs for fleas and taking care buying the step son a nova and all this shit it's incredible yeah now friends also said that he told some tall tales once in a while, David Flood, which people do. He would tell tall tales about his connections to the mob. He would say he had mob connections and, you know, other like illegal stuff like, yeah, I know guys

and I make a phone call. Stuff like that. There's so many people like that who are just, they're full of shit and they're just running their mouth. On the East Coast? Oh. Millions. It makes them feel important and it makes them feel like they're a tough guy or that makes them feel something because every guy with black hair on the east coast or nearby is fucking connected no they quote unquote you know what i mean most of the time they are a little bit but this probably yeah but sometimes no so because but a lot of people just make shit up also they

make shit up and it's that's a harmless lie that you tell to kind of boost up your own ego. Right? Sure. Especially if you're a guy and you're trying to seem like a big shot. A little machismo. A little machismo. Get the kids to, I don't know, envy you? Look up to you a little more?

Yeah, I wasn't telling the kids about it. Oh, he's telling the neighborhood? Hey, kid, it's bedtime. Hey, I'll make one fucking phone call. Your leg's fucking broken if you don't go the kids about it. Oh, he's telling the neighborhood? It's bedtime. Hey, I'll make one fucking phone call. Your leg's fucking broken if you don't go to bed right now. You're going to wake up with Samson's head in your fucking bed. I'm going to tell you something. I'm going to stop dipping him in your head full of fleas.

Nobody wants a collie head in their bed when they wake up. Nobody needs that. He's telling his friends, though, like, hey, I got mob connections. But, you know, whatever. He's not. He's drinking. He's not saying I killed 12 guys and we buried him in a mob hit man or i know that might have he's going yeah i know some guys back where i used to live you know some some stuff like that here so but nobody ever took it like you know seriously or whatever he would go between

trucking jobs basically trucking job to trucking job and i don't know how the trucking industry works but they a lot of the truckers seem to go from company to company. I think it's because these companies give signing bonuses. So if you've worked somewhere and there's another company trying to hire, and then they have a for a couple months, they have a good signing bonus.

These guys will jump ship and go to another one. It's kind of the game. It's money, man. That's the game. You just move from trucking company to trucking. And sometimes some just pays a little more. You doing the same shit why not why not go over there that's i mean engines the same i mean there's 401k who gives a shit yeah it's not it's not at the end of the day everybody dollars more an hour makes a big difference makes a huge difference so why not yeah so he would do that too uh his longest stint apparently was uh for his longest job was for a place called stroman's Bakery in East Hartford, Connecticut.

Because they lived in Connecticut first here. So he worked there for a while. Now, just about everybody in the family was working, too. I mean, the kids worked. The 15-year-old worked. The mother worked at Roy Rogers. He's trucking. Everybody's doing things.

But apparently the floods were always behind on bills. Even though they made decent money, they were perpetually a month behind and needed this and they'd get a quick loan. Buying guns, buying cars. That's the thing. They were living slightly above their means and they were trying to really enjoy their lives on less money than they could use, basically. Rent, too.

They're behind on rent a lot. to really enjoy their lives on less money than they could use basically uh rent too they're behind on rent a lot they're always kind of one disaster away from it all falling down figuring it out yeah of being just everything falling apart he's working to live not living to work which can be fine as long as you're on time with everything that's not in a position where a broken leg fucking puts everybody homeless yeah paycheck to paycheck is always fucking brutal yeah it's tough it's so hard that's a life that we all live yeah that's what i mean that's that's what he's doing here and it's a lot of people are like this here now they said they did way more their friends

always said they did way more spending than saving they weren't big savers they would whatever they had they were spending jesus they were just going they were were spending. They said that David actually made what she called good money while trucking. Their friend said he made good money. I guess Rosemary had told her friend the year before that 1990, their income was together, David and Rosemary, was about $90,000. Okay. Which in 1990 is fucking great. 1990, you're making $ hundred you're making 90 grand a year that's fantastic that means that dude is pulling

down uh eighty four thousand i was gonna say he's making uh eighty seven thousand eight hundred dollars a year apparently then he probably made somewhere in the neighborhood of 65 she probably brought in 25 yeah she's probably an assistant manager by rogers or something yeah probably getting 20 grand 25 30 yeah but he he's probably making 30 bucks an hour trucking yeah i'll bet that's what it is he's doing they're doing well but if you make 90 grand a year in 1990 you should not be behind on your rent never your bills ever your rent should be paid every month you should be putting money in the bank unless you live in a mansion because 90 grand a year 90 grand a year is a lot now yes it's good money now it's great money it's fine so you could support a family on 90 grand today in 1990 you could support the shit out of that family crushing it's like making it's almost

double i think from then to now uh inflation wise okay or it's it's probably like making 150 grand a year now probably so they shouldn't be struggling basically but it's so weird because everybody as we know with crime and sports guys who make we'll see all the time guys are making you know six million dollars a year but they're living paycheck to paycheck they're still because they're living that they're spent yeah they're spending up to the same way someone would with a minimum wage job they're spending right up to what they make so it's like well if i make 50 grand a month i'm going to spend 50 grand a month. More money, more problems. Shit, cool.

My bills are six grand a month, so great, or whatever their bills are. So I can save 44 grand a month. They go, well, I guess I got to get a bigger house. You don't need a bigger house, but I can get one, so I should, right? No. No. God damn it, get a smaller house. Yeah, that's weird. That's what I would do.

So David Flood was also an active member of the local Elks Club. He's just a man about town, trucking, helping stepkids and picking kids up, buying Novas, teaching people to hunt. He's a karaoke down at the Elk Lodge on Tuesday night. Baby, you know it. He's got his hat on, his dumb Elks Club hat I'm sure they all have to wear. I don't think they have one. You've watched way too much Flintstones. Yeah. I think they have. No, they have Elks Club hats.'m sure they all have to wear. I don't think they have one. You've watched way too much Flintstones.

Yeah. I think they have. No, they have Elks Club hats. No, they don't. In my mind, they do. Let me have this, Jimmy. Let me have a bunch of these people sitting around Pennsylvania. Just wearing Elkhorns.

With Elkhorns on their stupid hats. Shriner hats with Elkhorns. I want that to exist. Just sitting around drinking and smoking and you know bitching about their wives singing allentown singing allentown repeatedly hey you picked allentown shit that's mine too everybody picked allentown fuck it we're all doing we're all all right we're all doing allentown we're all doing allentown just over and over again, and it ends. The whistle.

Over and over. And they watch the video repeatedly, and they go, yeah, I like the... I don't like... I mean, you know, the guy's ass is... I get the artistic quality of it. I understand what they're going for. It's not bad. So let's all take a shower. What do you say?

Huh? Let's take our hats off and take a shower. What do you say? Let's take our hats off and take a shower. Keep those out of the water. Come on. Fuck up the hat. They're made of felt. This is not the water buffalo. Yeah, Jesus.

He helped set up and run benefits as well. Wow. He would set up and organize to run benefits for less privileged people and needy people he even donated his camper for the elks to convert to a lunch wagon to feed needy people what so he this is what so he made a fucking food truck for him he gave them a food truck yeah that's where the non-good foods are so this is amazing though so if we run down the list of David, he's a pretty good cat. He looks good. He's looking real good right now.

The book of David is a good book. It's good shit right now. Yeah. We go down. He likes the kids. He doesn't kill the 21-year-old, which helps a lot of restraint needed right there just for that. The whole thing. It's clear he's a good guy.

He's buying Novas. He's helping Hunt. So, yeah, they converted Rosemary, the wife. She often would donate hot dog and hamburger rolls that she would buy while they both worked for that Stroman bakery. So she would buy hamburger and hot dog rolls at cost and donate them to the benefits, and they would do that. So they're donating a camper and a lot of the food. That's a lot. They're doing a lot they

don't need the hot dog and hamburger buns you gave the fucking truck it's amazing yeah and they're giving buns too so they're they're trying these people are nice people here so in april of 1990 uh he they they moved to pennsylvania for uh flood tells all his friends that he came there for a job with a with a family-run trucking company. And they moved from Glastonbury, Connecticut is where they came, which is outside of Hartford, pretty close. And basically, they kind of lost touch with their friends when they moved. And they had a very active social life, and he was still members of all these clubs. And when they moved, though, it just kind of, you know, they lost touch, as you would.

That far? And if you're busy too it's not it's 1990 so you have to think there's no texting there's no email there's no social media there's no hey

there's barely email there's no Facebook or Twitter or Instagram where you're like oh that's a cool new house you got in Pennsylvania I hope you guys are liking

the new place oh good I hope the kids are good none of that shit goes on you have to physically you have to pick a phone up and dial a number and talk to another human being. Oh, that sounds terrible.

Or physically write a letter and put it in a mailbox and pay for a stamp and shit. Like a stamp. Jesus. It's not easy to get in touch with people. And if you have that many kids and you're active and all that, you don't have time for that shit. No. You're moving on.

Moving onward and upward here. Or moving out, as Billy Joel would say. He's moving out and not to Allentown. Right. But they are. So they go, the whole family, and Michael Fadden moves with them. He's from Connecticut. Really?

So that's why he's living with them, because he came. He's the daughter's boyfriend from Connecticut. So presumably, they were together when she was at least 16. Right. And he's 20. Oh, so that's when this presumably started because they moved in April. So that's seven months. So just by math, there's more of a chance that her birthday would have been then.

So and she probably threw a fit 20 and 16. I'm like, he's 20. You're lucky I don't kill that motherfucker. Never mind. We're moving. Well, you're not going to see him. Boo hoo. Yeah.

There's 17 year olds there. Yeah. Thank fuck. Be lucky that. Yeah. Be lucky. Don't find him in a Never mind. We're moving. Well, you're not going to see him. Boo hoo. Yeah. There's going to be 17 year olds there. Yeah. Thank fuck. Be lucky that. Yeah. Be lucky. Don't find him in a river. And that's it.

I have mob connections. Remember, maybe that's why he was telling people he had mob connections to scare away the 20 year old boys from his 16 year old stepdaughters here. So, uh, uh, yeah. So they would, they'd been together for about a year. These two. So 16 and 20. Fuck.

No. And even possibly 15 and 19 based on the years. I know where they live. Yeah, so they've been together for about a year, these two. So 16 and 20. Fuck no. And even possibly 15 and 19, based on the years and where they live. That's no good. Also, now he can buy beer and she can't even buy cigarettes. This is no. This is a big fucking no. He can go out drinking and she can't do anything. She can't buy a lottery ticket.

No. And he can go out drinking. So that's going to be a weird relationship. She's not even allowed to legally die for her country yet. Get the fuck back in the house. So they apparently they were together. And apparently when he found out, when the daughter found out that they were moving, she begged and begged and begged that he could come along. And, you know, he's a rudderless kid. So he just goes with them to stay with his 16 year old girlfriend, which, which is, no, I'm moving away to just be with my 16-year-old girlfriend and her family.

Right. Dude, no. Go to college. Do something with yourself. Get a fucking job. Meet people your own age. Enlist in the service, you fuck. Yep.

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he's real happy-go-lucky dude he's real let's say every newspaper article describes him as happy-go- lucky everybody likes him good guy okay nice not not considered a malcontent or anything like that he's not a brooding you know dude with like none of that shit he's just a happy thing to prove he's just nothing to prove he's not trying to be cool he's just a nice guy apparently so maybe he's a little slow and they were like they're they're the same age and they're in their in their heads we don't know happy-go-lucky does describe that as well. You know what I mean? They describe Forrest Gump as happy-go-lucky. You know what I'm saying?

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Do that. That's what you do. And he'll do it. Yeah, yeah. He'll get it done. He starts working at the Tridel Truck Center in Bartonsville when he moves there. So moving into a new town right away, just jumping right into the Tridel Trucking Center in Bartonsville. Yeah.

That's a truck stop, right? Fuck yeah. I assume so. A truck center. Yeah. I assume it's a truck. It's a gas station. Clean trucks. I don't know what the hell they do here. It's a truck stop right fuck yeah i assume it's a truck center yeah i assume it's a truck that's a gas station clean trucks i don't know what the hell they do it's a gas station everybody said he made friends very quickly sure he did with his truck stop brethren i don't know what the fuck there are nice girls out there no teeth sweet sweet as can be though sweet girls

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He was even paying rent to David and the floods. Yeah, they're paying rent, doing a good job here. So his mother said about him, quote, even though you did things for him, he always wanted to pay you back. He never took you for granted. My man. So he wasn't considered. This seems like there's no shitheads in this group. Everybody's got a big heart.

Everybody seems like decent people. There's a decent people. They spend money a little freely, but who doesn't? That's fine. That's nothing that you judge anybody on. It's not a moral shortcoming. There's a decent people. They spend money a little freely, but who doesn't? That's fine. That's nothing that you judge anybody on. It's not a moral shortcoming. That's just. I've got money.

I'm going to spend it. Yeah. That's what I want. God. Exactly. So apparently he he even Michael got along well with Todd, the brother who's I mean, shit. He's 18 years old.

They're three years apart. Why not? They shared hobbies together like their hobbies this is okay this is what i mean their hobbies aren't like going out and doing crazy shit these are their hobbies cb radios and ham radios hell yeah that's what they do ham it's like that it's like it's kind of like no it's like you can like broadcast kind of with a ham radio it's like a like a low wattage your own little okay antenna of low wattage that you can broadcast out. Is that like what's in Stranger Things?

Kind of, yeah. That's kind of what it is, except a more complicated. Shortwave? Yeah. Except instead of communicating, it's to broadcast. Got it. Which is what they were doing. They were broadcasting back and forth.

Got it. It's not taking any signal. It's only giving it. I think, but I'm not positive. It might be taking it, too. I'm not positive. It might be taking it right in the ham ass. I'm not positive. I can't give too i'm not positive might be taking it right in the ham ass i'm not positive i i can't i can't give you it makes sense so cb and ham they're very similar i picture two kids sitting in the fucking basement and uh this is talking

into a microphone talking into a microphone and uh yeah the first podcast the first podcast and i'm amazed that this young man who had it was into c CB and ham radios had a girlfriend that he was living with. So, Michael Fadden, hats off to you, my friend. Salute, because you're the one. All of his friends were like, he's got a girlfriend. How'd he do that? I don't know, man. I'm going to ask him on the CB later.

See if he still has that ham. Maybe I can borrow it. Yeah, I guess you can go for the young ones. That's how you do it. So, Flood even took Fadden on truck trips with him. When he had to go on a far distance, he would take, hey, come on with me, Michael, and they'd go and have a... Well, he works at the truck center.

Yes, I mean, they'd go, yeah, stop. He'd say hi to all his friends. He's used to it, yeah. He knows the smell of diesel. Right. He knows what's up. No stranger to this. That's how he prefers to eat his food, amongst the smell of diesel.

Makes it taste better. Salt and pepper. this tastes funny. Yeah, you know how it goes here. What is this, food? What is this, food? I think I have more of a fuel-y taste I go for. So they got along really well, enough to sit in the truck together for hours at a time and not kill each other, so that's a good thing. sit in the truck together for hours at a time and not kill each other so that's a good thing now uh rosemary her boss at roy rogers there said that uh in the in through the holidays through

after thanksgiving rosemary started talking about being unhappy okay so she started talking about being unhappy and she started talking about how they needed money and they were not doing well. She told her boss that David had quit his trucking job for no reason a few months before. He just quit his job for no reason and hadn't gotten another one. And they have no money and they're struggling and things are really hard. And he's just not really he's not living up to what he should be right now. She doesn't understand what's happening, what's going on here. not living up to what he should be right now she doesn't understand what's happening what's what's going on here she even talked about leaving him uh a bit here with her co-workers that you know he's quit his job for no reason we have no money i don't understand what's going on i'm thinking of

leaving i you know i don't know what's what what's up with him but uh she said told her co-workers that she's there behind on bills now and it's just getting worse and worse and he's just been acting real strange and just not he's just something's wrong something's up we don't know if he's depressed or if he's you know who knows back then they were they didn't know if he was drinking or if he's depressed or if he was having a midlife crisis

something's up something's going on with David he's not as usual happy-go-lucky so right so you go call him happy-go-lucky too everyone's happy-go-lucky so anyway that's the kind of catch-up to the january 6th with stacy at roy rogers so that's the we gave you that in the half hour it took him to pick her up we covered all the lead up to it okay so flood arrives to pick up his daughter or his stepdaughter stacy from roy rogers on january 6 1991 she gets in

the car and he says, quote, you're going up to Connecticut, is what he tells her. And he tells her that they're all going to Connecticut to look for a house because they're going to move back there, and that the rest of the family's already in Connecticut. So we've got to go catch up, basically. Everybody left this morning, and then I was going to, you know, after you got off of work, I had shit to do around the house.

Told you, finishing up a couple things. And then I would, you know, when you got off work, I'd take you up there. So she was like, okay. He had packed bags in the car, in the trunk. She was like, well, this seems legit. Yeah, no problem. So he tells Stacy here that the family's planning on moving back to Connecticut. And, you know, things just haven't worked out great here.

And it's tough and disappointing. But we'll see all our old friends again, which will be nice. And, you know, we'll try to make her feel better about moving back to Connecticut. Going back to the bakery. We're not a failure. It's fine type of thing. So, yeah, he says everybody's already over there, so it's all good here. There.

So, anyway, they ride most of the ride in silence, as 15-year-olds often do. You can't get 15-year-olds to talk unless you can. It's also, as uncomfortable as it is for an adult to ride with a 15-year-old, it's that same discomfort for a 15-year-old to ride with an adult. Yeah. Oh, God, it was the worst. Yeah. What do I say?

Just with my arm out the window. What do I do? Like making my fingers dip into the wind and making my hand do something. Because otherwise, I'm just sitting there staring out the window. Yeah. And my grandfather taps to, I wish I should have been a cowboy with his thumbs on the fucking steering wheel. 15-year-olds are not the greatest conversationalists.

They're really not good at anything. No. 15-year-olds. They're really terrible at most things. Socializing among them the worst conversation bad yeah postures poor yeah they're really just a disaster at that age it's just a fucking mess it's like those deer that can't walk before they fall over the only thing they're really good at is wasting time wasting time usually masturbating so that's that so that's

how they do things so they spent most of the ride just sitting there and at one point david tells stacy that he had had an argument with her mom about bills again and so because she says something wrong and he's like i had an argument with your mom about bills again you know how that is and that's the kids know what's going on they don't hide this from the kids the kids. The kids know the financial situation and they know when there's problems. They're very much open in this house about that sort of thing.

They drive all the way to Connecticut and Flood drops Stacy off at her father's house in Connecticut there. The next day, he called Stacy at her father's house and he said that he had to wait a day before closing the deal on the house. So he's like, just give you an update.

We did find a house, but we have to wait a day to close on the thing. So, you know, we'll get back to you, and that way you can get your shit and come back. Oh, tomorrow. Yeah, we'll get back to you, just so she knows. Because the way he's looking at it with her is she's just been, you know, one minute she lived in Pennsylvania and she went to Roy Rogers and now she's at her dad's house and they're moving back to Connecticut. So it's very much up in the air. She didn't put in her two weeks yet. No, she's not going to, damn it.

They're going to have someone else is going to have to, you know, fix up the fixings bar, have to spruce up the fixings bar and put out the tomatoes. So, yeah, he calls her on the the next day and says uh your mother's gonna be picking you up so uh you know keep be ready for your mom get your shit together and be ready for your mom and then a little while later he called back and said never mind your mom's not picking you up your brother got in a car accident with the goddamn nova that i helped him fucking fix up son of a bitch this sucks uh so your mother's dealing with that now so she's not going to be picking you up hang out we'll get back to you we'll let you know what's going on here and your brother's fine though he's not you know hurt or anything he's all right he's just in an accident we have to deal with that so uh that

totally weird back and but to say nothing seems wrong that just seems like normal shit uh stacy said she called the house in pennsy she was in Connecticut just to see if anybody was there, and nobody answered. Now, what really is going on, though, Flood is not in Connecticut looking for a house. David went back to Pennsylvania is what he didn't tell anybody. He goes back to Pennsylvania, and it's at this point that you can kind of uncover that everything isn't so perfect here. David and Rosemary, they've been together for about six years. They've been living together. And basically, from about five and a half years on, they've been constantly arguing.

Publicly, they put out a good front and everything like that, but all they do is argue. Of course. And a lot of it's about money and shit like that. It's fixed things like money and shit. It's not like, you know, you're cheating on me or things like that. It's outside factors that pressure them, basically. And they've been married for three years. Apparently, David often would, he was hard on Todd, apparently.

But he's hard on him, but he also helped him hunt, taught him shit, bought him a car, helped him restore it. So with that also comes David trying to put pressure on him. He would really get on Todd about eating junk food and stuff like that. It's not good for you, don't eat that stuff, you know, that sort of shit. But he's an 18-year-old kid. 18-year-old kids want to eat nothing but shit. Constantly. That's what I for you. Don't eat that stuff. You know, that sort of shit. But he's an 18 year old kid. 18 year old kids want to eat nothing but shit. Constantly. That's what I wanted to eat when I was 18.

McDonald's. Oh, you can eat all you want and feel great the next day and it doesn't matter. It's fine. You can eat it at three o'clock in the morning, go directly to bed and wake up and be like, great, I want more. Whereas if you ate right now, McDonald's at three in the morning, the next morning you'd be saying, I'm never eating McDonald's again. For the next two days.

For the rest of my life. For the next two days I'm muttering, why did I do that? Why the fuck did I do that? You're on another Big Mac. You don't even give a shit. So he would also apparently, he's very much, I don't know what it is about his, something anal retentive about food. He would also yell at Stacy all the time because all she ever wanted to eat was noodles.

She wanted to eat macaroni and ramen noodles. And then she was just in the noodles. Delicious. Teenage girls get into food that they like. Stick with a certain thing. Eat it. Teenage shit. My daughter's eight and she will wake me up in the morning and I'll tell her to make waffles or get a cereal.

Can I just have a cup of noodles? You have a fucking sodium bomb at seven in the morning and i'll tell her make waffles or get a cereal can i just have a couple noodles you're gonna have a fucking sodium bomb at seven in the morning you got your fucking mind my daughter it's spaghetti she always wants spaghetti she always wants pasta she always wants spaghetti and that's what she wants for dinner yeah like sarah told me throughout her teenage years all she ate was potatoes you know what i mean like i i know i don't blame it yeah it's delicious uh women who said they all they ate was rice for like four years. They get into stuff. I don't know what it is about teenage girls sometimes. I'm sure teenage boys do it too.

I would have just eaten anything that came across me when I was that age. Oh, my God. I was insatiable for food. I ate everything. Anything. I don't care what it is. Don't care. I'll sample it.

Shove it right in my face. Don't give a shit. I'll try it. That's the benefit you have. You've got a family that's Italian. You guys make all the best food. There was good food. I will say that. I had good food growing up i also had to have weird

like you know regional shit from like oh this is no one's eaten this since you know uh since mussolini was taken down from fucking abruzzo in italy they're like try it it's good so my grandmother would make nobody would be making she'd pour the polenta right on the table and it was like why do you do why do you do it like this because that's how you do it and It's good. So my grandmother would make it. Nobody would be making. She'd pour the polenta right on the table. And I was like, why do you do? Why do you do it like this? Because that's how you do it. And it's like, no, that's how you did it a hundred years ago in a foreign country that was a hundred years behind even the time that it was in.

We've got plates. We have plates. We have all sorts of shit. She would make all sorts of weird delicacies that were very, very strange. Seafood and things it doesn't deserve to have seafood in. Yeah. Yeah. But I love anything seafood. I do, too. But sometimes it doesn't fucking go yeah you know what i mean yeah no the food was good food in a cock in a in a vodka sauce i don't want i don't like that depends on if it's done right yeah do it right don't put white fish in my pasta vodka

fucking sauce shit is a that's a that is a I know of. No, of course not. My grandmother never said, I make the vodka sauce. It never happened. Never. Not once. No, it's wine sauce. It's wine, yeah. So anyway,

he would yell at, so he's yelling at Todd not to eat junk food, yelling at Stacy to eat something besides. These are typical, this is very typical parent shit that you yell at your teenagers to eat better and stop fucking around and whatever,

clean your room, basic shit. One of their friends here said quote they yelled more than they talked but that was the flood household so it was just the way they communicated which understandable some people are like that todd would often uh would argue with david and stand up to him and uh you know they'd get in arguments over it because he'd say why don't you leave me alone let me do what i want to do with my dad you know i'm 18 years old if i want to eat something leave me the fuck alone uh carrie lynn the 17 year old daughter with you know the boyfriend there she apparently was very independent yeah that was her role todd was kind of his own doing his own

thing carrie lynn was the super independent middle child there uh would clash with david all the time about everything little rules and shit like that and uh and then stacy was stacy would kind of do whatever anybody wanted she was kind of the kind of the codependent one of the group that was the peacemaker keeping it all together keeping it all together yeah uh apparently uh one time carrie lynn was hospitalized for emotional problems due to family issues here. So, yeah, there's a lot of teenagers. I mean, teenagers have fucking emotional problems. Their hormones and emotions are really going up and down.

So it's understandable. A lot of kids have that. There's a chemistry experiment going on in their body. Oh, every day. They don't know how to control it. How are you supposed to do it? They have no idea. They don't even know what's happening.

Right. But apparently, Flood's favorite was stacy david likes stacy the best because she was the most kind of and also it's like that with a step parent you're going to be when they got together she was nine right so that's a lot easier to get in with a nine-year-old than when they got together uh the son was 14 14 13 which is hard. That's hard to penetrate. I'm not going to say that. I almost said it's hard to penetrate a 13-year-old. Got it. That was the words I had in my mouth.

I saw it. I felt it. My God. And I knew what you were doing. And I was horrified. No. No. I was terrified for the outcome of that conversation.

No, no. They have a force field around them if you're a step parent it's a very difficult thing but it's illegal to penetrate very difficult to penetrate a 14 year old or a 13 year old for that god damn it james so yeah she was a good student too she didn't really mouth off he would tell her not to eat noodles and she wouldn't argue with him about it. She wouldn't go crazy about it. She was very much more the go with the flow, and he liked her the best because of it. He even told her that she was his favorite. In front of everybody.

It was a known fact. You're all whatever, but why can't you be more like Stacey? Stacey's nice. So Stacey, like I said, the younger one's going to be an easier sell. Not an easier penetration. Which would be much more difficult. And much more illegal, I think. I don't know. Very much so.

It seems like it. So, now, after David took Stacy to Connecticut, after the Roy Rogers stint, after her Roy Rogers shift, he returned to Lehigh County, which is where this this is and he left an envelope in a neighbor's mailbox that's what he was doing inside this envelope were two other envelopes one addressed to the neighbor and one addressed to the state police's foglesville uh barracks okay okay so this is strange uh behavior a note attached to the envelope said uh there was a note on it that said, quote, Please call Ted Novataski right away so he don't bring my stepdaughter Stacy to the house. And then the note gave the number of Ted Novataski, who is all the kids father and his ex-wife's husband, ex-husband, his wife's ex-husband, all the kids, all the kids, dads. His wife's ex-husband.

All the kids' dads. All the kids' dads, okay? Inside the envelope was a note to the neighbor that he left it in and the neighbor's wife. It asked them to stay in contact with Stacy because, quote, she's going to need your support. And then it said, pray for me. Oh, boy. That's all it said on there, okay? So the neighbor read another note, and note wasn't he was instructed, quote, please take to state police right away.

Thank you, David Flood. Yeah. So very formal, though. Thank you, David Flood. As if it was another somebody else put that envelope in. But then there was another one there. They get who left the envelopes. Thank you.

So the neighbor took the envelopes and the notes to the police, to the barracks there, and they showed them to a state trooper, a Francis J. Carvin. And the note to the state police, because the neighbor didn't read the note to the state police. He just brought it there, which I would have had to have read that shit. You just followed the instructions of David? Yeah. I'd be like, dude, this shit is intriguing. I got to know what the fuck.

I'm opening it. I'm opening it, dude. I'll bring it to them afterwards, but I'm opening it first. I'm going to read this shit. I'll tell them I didn't know which one I was supposed to open that's what i'll do so i feel like if i give it to the cops they're not going to tell me what it says probably and tell me shit this is i'm curious this is curious i am riveted so the note to the state police says and i'm riveted right now uh says quote please go to the blue house you can enter by the garage which

he spells wrong he spells uh with two d's somehow and there's no d's in that word what uh yeah how did he spell it g-a-g-r-a-d-d-g- ice is in the garage jesus christ you can enter by the garage door it is open read the letter on the bar he spelled it like geranimals yeah pretty much it's it's it's pennsylvania german i believe is what he's going for it's pennsylvania german for garage amazing so he says you can enter by the garage door it is open read the letter on the bar you will not like what you see. I don't either. There's more letters.

That's going. Oh, he's got more letters, too. He says in this letter, it continues, quote, But by the time you find me, I will be on my way to heaven to be with my wife. Please do this as soon as possible. The guns are on the bar. This is a bad crime. I will end it for myself to save you the trouble. I did this Sunday a.m i am very sick oh that's what the note says which sounds like a fucking zodiac killer no it does it's got the it's got the like the syntax and rhythm of a of a zodiac

killer calls miss these short sentences yeah yeah the weird i did it i did this sunday a.m i am very sick like because it corresponds to a code. I didn't want to have to use a bigger word and figure out the code. It's one of those things. That's what it feels like, except this is just written in English. Just plain as sight. Except for the garage. It's not an educated guy, you can tell.

The guns are on the bar, period. This is a bad crime, period. I will end it for myself and save you the trouble, period. Everything's period. There's no commas. He didn't learn how to do that. No. So investigators, their curiosity's peaked.

Yeah. They go, you know what? We should probably take a look over there. So this is three days later. This is January 9th. This is three days after Stacy was picked up from Roy Rogers and driven to Connecticut. She's still waiting on mom. She's still waiting to see what's going on with the new house.

It's like, I hope I get my own room. Yeah. I hope I got a good view. I hope it's those like uh a-frame houses yeah those are really fun and i could use my own to my own floor and decorate i could probably even a couch in it but i make a sitting area you know that means when my friends come over it could be different and they don't sit on my bed because that's uncomfortable when my sister moves out with her boyfriend i can have his ham radio totally oh i'm gonna be styling i'm gonna put out my own show i put out my own show about say by the bell oh it's gonna be amazing actually blossom she's a we have her own it's a blossom fan

show it's very much she's in love with joey i can hang out i can hang all my blossom hats on the wall up here it's gonna be perfect so uh yeah so the investigators they say we should probably follow these instructions it seems interesting if not for nothing else, out of pure curiosity. So they do. They enter the unlocked garage. And first thing they find is two dogs that have been killed by blows to the head. That's a bad crime. That's a bad crime.

It gets way worse than that. Stabian, Samson, or Dabian. So, yes, the Collie and the Doberman have been killed. And don't go crazy about that because it gets much fucking worse than that, even though that is terrible, obviously. In the living room, they go into the house now. So if not finding two dead dogs isn't horrifying enough, they said, oh, good, we have to keep going. Not even shot. Beaten to death.

Beaten. Blunt objects in the head, which is nuts. It makes sense in the course of how he did things though because if he we'll talk about it okay in the living room they find a 45 caliber pistol and a 22 uh 22 caliber sawed-off rifle on the bar oh so he's got both these guns sitting up on the bar that's interesting there several notes are all around the house there's notes all over the place writing mother yeah he's writing these notes. For a guy who doesn't write very well, he writes a lot of notes.

Several notes have been left on the chair in the living room here. One of these notes asked the police to contact Ted Novitaski so he wouldn't bring his daughter to the house. He said, do not tell her what happened. That's what the note says. One note asked them to contact Rosemary Flood's father and gave them the address for Rosemary Flood's father, his wife's father, and tell him about it. Another one says it's addressed to Ted Novitaski, who's the kid's father. It says, quote, Ted Novitaski, the reason you have Stacy, period. Dude, he's the reason you have Stacy, period.

She need to live her life to the fullest period she is so special period I love her period she has been a true daughter to me period Stacy please forgive me period I can't take the pain I put I put through I guess I put you through uh put through the bills are too much we are about about to lose everything. That's what he says. And then it says, then he wrote another note that says, this is the same exact thing. This is a bad crime. I did this Sunday AM. I am very sick. So this is, first of all, we'll talk about what happened because we haven't even gotten into it yet. But right away, this is what the cops are finding first.

And they haven't found what's so bad yet. They found the dogs, but they're figuring that's probably not what he's talking about here. So, yeah, apparently what he did, too, is after he left, and we'll talk about what he did in the house, but after he left, he went and paid the rent, which is a weird move. Yeah, why are you doing that? Paid the rent and then left all the notes. He brought out all these notes complete with addresses and phone numbers of people's family members of who to call.

He even called Roy Rogers and said that she wouldn't be coming to work that day. His wife said she's not going to be at work today. Like even didn't want her to be a no call, no show. Yeah. He was conscientious about it. The notes, obviously, based on this last one, they indicate that he didn't plan on being caught for this anyway. The note says, quote, by the time you find me, I will not be alive. Then he says, I'm going to join my wife in heaven and all this shit here.

So obviously, this is pretty fucked up here. So apparently, yeah, he man, this is fucking crazy. Apparently, yeah, he, man, this is fucking crazy. So there was a man who used to be a babysitter for the kids here who spoke with Flood on the phone the day, on the Monday after this happened. And he said that nothing was, nothing was amiss. Sounded weird. Nothing was weird. Flood cashed his wife's child support check at the Roy Rogers.

So what the fuck? What is this? The town general store? The Roy Rogers? They pay in company script? What the fuck is going on? What is happening? You can cash a check at the Roy Rogers?

No. I don't care if you work there or not. Can I cash a check here? We sell chicken and hamburgers. What are you talking about? Checks are so bizarre. You can have as many tomatoes as you'd like. How about that?

I don't know what to tell you. I am so glad checks are done with. They're the weirdest thing. It's the most, that is the most trusting fucking thing to do. It's that old Seinfeld joke about, I'm just going to write it down on this piece of paper. Right. And hand it to you. Best of luck.

There you go. Bye. I'm going to take all this shit with me. Weird as shit, man. That's such a weird woman. Especially before they could run it through any kind of computer. Yeah. It was just like, I guess this is fine then. This seems right.

This seems right. There's lines on the back where you can sign, so it's good. So he cashed the check. He talked to somebody on the phone. After that, he has a four-wheel drive pickup truck, and he drives that to Glastonbury, Connecticut, which is east of Hartford. It's where they used to live.

And now nobody saw him get there or anything like that, but we'll know why in a second here. A friend of his says that was what he knew. That was the house on the hill he thought he could go there. So there's a house there that he thinks he can go to where he used to hunt deer in the woods around this house. And he knows it's got nobody living there. Got it. He knows it's vacant. It's been vacant for years. So it's that old house back east in the neighborhood.

Exactly. That's the haunted house, which, you know, nobody, everybody avoids. Nothing's ever happened there. But everybody says, oh, they found a family chopped up. Yeah, that's what it is. So every window is broken. So, I mean, it's winds are blowing through there it's the it's the middle of winter it's yeah it's rough here so there's debris shit walls are

covered kids go there to smoke weed and fuck and all that sort of shit you know what i mean beer bottles and condom wrappers and shit everywhere it's it's that place that we've all seen there's there's a discarded bra that yeah it looks gross yeah it's been there a long time. It's got like a burrito stain on it, you're hoping. You're hoping. It's a little yellow. So the house is back among a bunch of orchards and berry farms. By the way, we'll talk about what happened at the house originally with the whole family here. Yeah, we're getting to that.

But this house is back. It's orchards and farms. It's a 52. It's a remote area. Yeah. This is really remote. It overlooks most of the... This house is on a hill and you can see everything.

You can even see the Hartford skyline from here. Really? So it's basically... It's a dark road where kids go to fuck around and drink and fucking smoke weed. That's what it is. So the new owner, an owner had bought this house recently or in the last couple years and planned to demolish the house and he wanted to build a new one but he just never did so he just bought the property and left it sitting there to rot basically so flood uses this as a place to hang out he comes in he hides his

truck behind the house uh it wasn't spot and you know police go around this area all the time and they said nobody saw them nobody saw his truck or anything like that on january 11th uh it snowed so it covered all this any kind of tire tracks going up there everything looked clean and uh the police you know didn't think anybody was there didn't think anything so uh apparently the owner the new owner of the house makes daily visits to the property for what i here's this broken shithole again here it is i'm not gonna fix this i've got so much work to do okay i'm gonna go now bye i'm doing any of it not doing shit so apparently david nope the owner didn't see david when he came there uh apparently people his friends said

that he used to frequent this abandoned house they'd use it as kind of a center to go deer hunting they kind of set up around the house basically headquarters it was their headquarters yeah we'll meet at this house and we'll go in the woods from there david made his truck not visible on a fucking property of made the owner of a property not be able to see his truck on his property we don't know if he was going out back to look but still amazing he's hiding yeah clearly that's a great he's a he's better than osama bin laden he really is so he's hiding out well but the only problem is uh you know police started asking they said where might this guy go yeah probably back to his hometown where else would he go they asked people around they said well he used to hang out

at this abandoned house up there yeah and then they go there when they check they do find his struggling police come actually looking for him because the owner's not looking for anything okay police are actually looking for him uh they find find his truck uh they find his he took his license plate off for some reason they found that covered in snow somewhere uh so they get they believe he's inside so they call out through a loudspeaker for him to come out and he pops out he comes believe he's inside, so they call out through a loudspeaker for him to come out, and he pops out. He comes out.

He's still there. He didn't do it. Comes out without incident. He is armed. He's got a gun, but he's got his hands up, and he's surrendering, obviously. And yeah, they said he's been there

for like four days in a frigid house with no heat and wind busting through it. Holy shit. They have no idea how he's still alive, basically. He didn't drop dead in there. Police police found this is an amazing quote from an article quote police found evidence he had been eating cold oatmeal oh gross yeah so that's what he's been eating he's just he's just mixing probably water with the oatmeal and not cooking it melting down the snow fucking eating it yeah he crunching down cold oatmeal god jesus which sounds like the

worst thing i've ever heard in my life so uh that's january 13th uh this is a town it's about five miles outside of heartford and he he drove here you know two days after all of this happened on that sunday the 6th and uh this is their their old town there uh so stacy is still trying to call stacy's trying to find out what's going on yeah she has no idea she's trying to call her house in pennsylvania she knows none of this she knows nothing is going on so uh after they take david into custody they sit him down and he just gives a seven page statement he has no no lying no i didn't do it no i don't know what happened here's what the fuck happened uh he gives everything motive and all this shit. He said that he could not accept that his wife was going to leave him.

He said his wife was going to leave him. They didn't have enough money. Everything was falling apart around him, and he couldn't take it anymore. And he fucking snapped, is what he said. He said the night before, on January 5th, the Saturday night, Rosemary told him that she was leaving him the uh next time she got paid so now i'm leaving you my next paycheck i'm taking it and getting the fuck out of here she gave him a two-week notice and uh she's gonna leave on a roy rogers

paycheck which i don't know what that entails but she wants out apparently so i mean it's not easy but she's gonna do it so that you really gotta want it that's what i'm saying here so uh the next morning apparently he woke up on sunday morning and he said he asked he asked rosemary if she meant what she said about leaving and she said yes she did mean it uh and he and she rolled over in bed and that was it she said yes and rolled away from him. Oh, boy. So he shot her with a.22 caliber rifle. Right there. Right there in the bedroom. Holy shit. Yeah, right there in the bedroom.

So from there, he's like, okay, now what do I do? That was loud. This is why I think the dogs were killed with blunt objects and not shot, because if you shot the dogs, it would have woke everyone up in the house, and everyone would have said, why is there gunshots? And if there's gunshots, it would have made the dogs go crazy, so he needed to kill the dogs in a quiet way, so as not to alert everybody here. So he goes to the basement now, Flood.

He's like, well, might as well go see where everybody else is. He goes down to the basement, and this is where Carrie Lynn and her boyfriend Michael live. They live in the basement apartment down there, and Michael's not home. He's not there. Carrie Lynn is in bed. And Carrie Lynn asks him what he's doing in her room.

Why the fuck are you here? And apparently, he tells her that your mother's leaving me. And she said, well, what do you expect, apparently? She said, what do you expect? So he shot her in the head. That was that. Everybody's rejecting's rejecting not the right response what are you it's not oh no uh you know you want to talk about it what do you expect so yeah she not that she should have said that but apparently that's probably what he thought she should say and so he uh instead shoots her in the head so

uh it's at that point Todd comes home. Todd gets home a couple minutes after this, the 18-year-old boy. He gets home and he goes upstairs to Stacy's bedroom to get something out of a closet. So he comes in. He doesn't know what's going on. He just runs in the house like an 18-year-old does, runs up to the room. He's going in the closet for something. And as he's looking in the closet uh david walks up

behind him and shoots him in the back of the head with a 45 wow 45 pistol yeah back of the head like a hit close range while he's leaning in a closet it's like uh it's like uh stacks while he was tying his shoe and goodfellas when they were belay for your own fucking funeral and that's like that basically yeah brutal uh so uh it's at that point here that he says he starts drinking he said he had started drinking before he did all this and now he now once he's got rosemary carrie lynn and todd are all dead um he says he starts drinking hard the dogs james the dogs as well well i the children i'm going to say more about the children and the dogs we gave the dogs their due they did yes they were less they contributed nothing to society they're wonderful

wonderful beings and we love them and i love my dogs and i don't have nothing to happen to them or any other dogs but they really were never going to contribute one of them wasn't going to cure cancer it was never going to happen neither of them stopped this either they didn't stop this yeah they could have poor dogs so poor everybody so he's got a lot of blood on his hands at this point so he starts drinking uh he said he's drinking whiskey and uh it's at that point that uh michael fadden got home yeah michael fadden gets home he was at work at the at the truck stop at the service at the service he had a an early morning shift i think he got to work at 6 o'clock, 7 o'clock in the morning at the truck stop place, truck center. And then he gets home.

He gets home, and I guess they get into an argument, Flood and Fadden do. And Flood doesn't even know, Fadden doesn't even know what the hell happened that they're arguing about shit. He doesn't even know. I'm sure it would be a bigger argument if he said, hey, I just killed everybody else in the house. You probably shouldn't talk to me like this, Mr. Fadden. Yeah, I don't think you know that I've killed... I have information for you. Everyone else.

May change your treatment of me. And it feels like, other than Todd, Todd, it just feels like, well, Todd's not going to like this. I'm going to kill him. But it feels like he was like, almost was going to... It didn't seem like he was definitely going to kill Carrie. Carrie Lynn. It seems like Carrie Lynn, if she said, if she had a different approach, I don't know if he would have killed her or not.

It's one of those things. And if he doesn't kill her, he definitely doesn't kill the other son. Probably doesn't kill the other son. That's the thing. I don't think he had a full plan until it was going through the whole thing. But if mom resents me, then everybody resents me. They're all going to die. Yeah. It's one of those. Everybody resents me. They're all going to die. Yeah, it's one of those.

Everybody resents me. So he gets home. They get in an argument. Fadden then goes downstairs to the basement to his room where he finds Carrie Lynn dead in the bed. So apparently at that point, Fadden turns around and there's Flood who had been following him downstairs and he shot him too. So he shoots and kills Michael as well. So now everybody's dead and he said he continued to drink uh that's what he did then he continued to drink and drink and drink

he said that he had a quote enough whiskey to float a ship okay that's what he said that was his uh his deal he then picked stacy up at work after all of that after all of that and drove her to connecticut and drove back to pennsylvania apparently and and as he's saying hammered on whiskey smashed which would be hard she would notice if he's that hammered on whiskey a 15 year old would notice something he was acting funny and weird and he wasn't talking right and you know he smelled like booze kids can smell they might not know like it was Jack Daniels, I believe. I believe it was whatever mix.

You won't know which malt that is, but you'll smell it. He smells terrible. He smells like he's going to hit me soon. It's one of those. He smells like domestic violence. Yeah, smell it. It's in the air.

So here, his public defender, William Wismer, asked the investigators about Flood's drinking and how much liquor he consumed before the slayings. Because he said, well, maybe he was too drunk to form the intent to kill. So maybe we can use this as a defense. State troopers said they didn't find any empty bottles around the house. And the only liquor bottles in the house were under the bar in the living room and they had dust on them oh so they're like but i mean he could have taken the bottle and thrown it out the window and he went to pick stacy up if that's actually true seems to me like he probably wasn't

drinking that's that's my thought or he had like two shots or some shit so uh he says that uh he tells police that when he's in custody he says he left the house uh the notes he left at the house he wrote a note to the police and to tell them kind of what was going on and and to uh you know gonna give them a heads up he also tells describes in detail how he shot each person he tells which gun he used to shoot each person and he just goes into detail uh he gets extradited without any you know he doesn't put up a fight for the extradition or anything and ends up in lehigh county prison with no bail at all he's got four homicide charges and uh and admitted i was gonna say there should be some animal cruelty in there as well not to be a dick but i mean the four homicides obviously are trump but they eclipse them for sure but

let's throw it on top he didn't other shit on beat two dogs to death that's we gotta have something for that he didn't just shoot them. You know what I mean? No, he didn't old yellow them. He heard a yipe. You know what I mean? Yeah, he had to fucking, oh, Jesus. So his friends are shocked.

They have no idea what this is, like, mind blown. It's not like, well, I mean, you know, they had their problems. They were all like, what the fuck? David's a great guy. His friend here, the Kim Hudson, who was the couple that they hung out with. She says, quote, a lot of it doesn't make sense to me. He was always together, always so in control. He's a very together cat.

Like we said, don't eat the new, you know, don't eat this, eat better food. So, yeah, Michael Fadden had left work a little bit early, too, that day. So if he stayed later, we don't even know. He might not have. This might not have happened. He stayed later or came home earlier. little bit early, too, that day. So if he stayed later, we don't even know. He might not have. This might not have happened. If he stayed later or came home earlier. That's yeah, that's the thing. Well, he got it's so weird.

He picked up Stacy. The whole thing is strange here. So police told his mother that he, you know, walked into this scene and this is what ended up happening. Now, court comes up here and in court, the preliminaries they have to have stacy up there saying a lot of this because she's the only one alive so stacy i feel so bad for a kid not only are all of her siblings and her mom dead her whole family her whole family and who she thought was someone she loved and her stepdad uh now she has to go to court and talk about it and she's 15 years old because this happens like right uh the court starts right away

and she they said that she was she was even like kind of nervously giggling during testimony and stuff because she's a kid and she's nervous and she's in a courtroom that's how out of place a 15 year old is giving testimony in a murder hearing so uncomfortable it's crazy uh she looked at uh at david only once which was to point that to him when the prosecutor asked her to identify him who did it that was it but otherwise she wouldn't look at him apparently david flood just sat uh with his arms crossed in front of him and kept his head down and stared at the floor and wouldn't look at her he had to you if you have any conscience whatsoever you can't look at her that's disgusting what you did to these people so uh during this the uh uh they the the trooper here says that flood tells police that he and his

wife had an argument the night before he said his wife threatened to leave in the morning he shot her in the bed went to the basement shot carrie lynn todd then shot michael uh now uh one of the notes he left behind he said that he quote wanted everyone to go to hell together jesus that's what he said so one note he was going to join his wife in heaven to the neighbors but in this note he said he wants everyone to go to hell together we're all going to hell everybody fucking line up in the car it's crazy how he what he did in the station wagon kids yeah what he did hell closes early tonight i get what he did i can see the resentment to her but then the kids right it's nothing just leave he went from the from the most attachment

in the house to the least attachment right away and if you can do that right down the list right down the list from the wife to the dogs and then filled in the gaps in the middle and it's fucking crazy if you can do that to a woman and then do that to the dogs, nobody's fucking safe in his entire life. No, but I mean, he did that to the dogs. He did that to the wife. And the dogs was more of a, like I said, I think that was a logistics thing.

Just if I shoot. Make everything else easier? Yeah, that would have made the process smoother. I don't think he was like, the fucking dogs are turning against me too. You know what I mean? I don't know, but the girl is the only one that's left because nobody else is in the house at the moment. But does he know that?

Who knows? You got a point. That's the thing. So with the dogs, he knows that if, A, they're going to bark if he shoots, and B, if he shoots them, then everyone else is going to wake up. So he's got to figure it out, how to deal with the dogs. And we see this in a lot of these cases. They kill the dogs just to keep them out of the way. And it's a weird thing.

So he wanted everybody to go to hell together. He asked the judge asked flood why he spared Stacy. And which is a really valid question. Why didn't you kill her, too? You killed everybody else. And he explained in open court that Stacy, quote, never wanted anything and never gave anybody any trouble. She was always good. Something in my head just told me not to hurt Stacy.

So for whatever it was. Everybody else rejected him. Everybody else rejected him. And he had a thing. And who knows? Because when they met, she's a nine-year-old girl. And there's a certain thing that you have where you want to protect a little girl. She's still a nine-year-old to him.

Something like that. Yeah. I always see my daughter as a little tiny kid with big puffy hair i've never seen my daughter as anything walking around with diapers yeah that's that's what it is so that's how they see and maybe that's what it was and that might have saved your fucking life here which i mean god damn i feel bad she's got to feel guilt oh even though survivors guilt that's yeah that's got to feel terrible for her just why me yeah you know and And maybe what if I called in Roy Rogers? Maybe he would have killed me too.

Who knows? So Roy Rogers saved her life, possibly. So the defense attorney here told the judge that Flood's friends in Connecticut said that he loved the children very much and always wanted a better life for them. He explained that Flood's life started to fall apart after they moved to Pennsylvania. life started to fall apart after they moved to Pennsylvania. The defense attorney said, quote, it was like sweeping the ocean back with a broom. Talking about as these problems came on and financial and everything else. It was just too much.

And once you get a couple months behind. Oh, it's over. You're fucked. Yeah. You're fucked. Unless you can get a giant influx. You're always behind. You'll be behind for years. You got to genuinely win the lottery.

Yeah. It's crazy. It's absolutely insane. So so fucked up it's brutal uh so this is gonna go to trial obviously that's the preliminary hearing it's gonna go to trial david says that he doesn't want to trial no says he's been through enough the families have been through enough everybody's been he feels horrible guilt he says oh sure he's not like well fuck them he, I've been a horrible, I ruined this family, and I don't want to put them through anymore. I'm pleading guilty. So he does.

He signs the papers here. He says he killed everybody. He pleads guilty to four counts of first-degree murder, which is a lot to plead guilty for. It's just what the prosecutor asked for, and he said, fine, whatever. I'll sign it. I'll sign whenever you want.

Sounds great. Sounds terrific. for and he said fine whatever i'll sign it i'll sign whatever you want sounds great sounds terrific so uh they uh the judge asked flood if he understood what he was doing and uh you know he said now that you're doing this the chance of you ever getting your sentence commuted is next to nothing if you do this you're you're fucked basically and uh they said having heard all that is it still your intention to plead guilty of your own free will? And he said, yes, it is. So that was that. So, yes. God, they keep just talking about this fucking poor Stacy, man.

So, yeah, he's in court. They let him wear a suit. He's in a suit and a white shirt. And the judge, he told the judge said, what do you have to say for yourself after it? And he said that he wanted to. He didn't want to go to trial. This was during the sentencing. He didn't want to go to trial. This was during the sentencing. He didn't want to go to trial.

He wanted to spare the family members who are left any pain and grief of having to relive all this shit and go through a long thing. He said, quote, I'm sorry it happened. I'd rather just go on with life and let them go on with life. So he's just trying to be whatever. The defense attorney said that David spoke with a pastor who visited him in the county jail and that's how he decided to plead guilty because he said you gotta you gotta unburden yourself of this whole thing uh the the attorney said quote that changed his whole frame of mind about everything including his own life because before that he wanted to kill himself apparently so uh the judge i mean guilty not, whether you feel guilty or not, you are a bad, bad person.

You're a piece of shit. And judge says, you, sir, may fuck off four consecutive life sentences. That's harsh. That's rough. You're not coming out. And judge says, you know what you're fucking doing, right? You know you're done completely. Sounds good.

Great. Yeah. So he's got about 160 years ahead of him at the least. Either this or Allentown. Yeah, which is worse? It's either this or naked with all those other guys showering repeatedly. Well, you're going to be doing that as well. So he is in Allentown.

Either way, it turns into the Allentown video. Jesus Christ. Everyone needs to go watch that video now.'re gonna be like oh my god it is really really overtly gay holy shit oh yeah they're gonna be on that shit so uh afterwards uh the district attorney said the plea agreement for four life sentences was proposed by floods of lawyers that's what they were gonna ask for and they were like they just asked them they said how about four consecutive life sentences which is as harsh as it gets so they were like yeah yeah great obviously yeah he said he talked about the the the prosecutor said he talked about the plea with the state troopers who investigated the case they talked to uh fadden michael fadden's

mother they talked to ted novatosky and uh everyone was, well, yeah, that's what we wanted, right? Clearly. We thought he was going to fight that, but he's just, okay, yeah, okay, sure. Is he going to give it to us? Yeah, but Fadden's mother said that she said she was satisfied with the plea as long as she knew that Flood would never get out of prison. I think four consecutive. That'll do it. The prosecutor said, quote, it's difficult, quite frankly, to turn down four consecutive life sentences.

It really is. What are we going to do, argue for death? You want five grand for your car, and a guy comes up and goes, I'll give you $5,200. You're like, okay, we're not going to haggle anymore. I suppose. It's hard to turn down above Blue Book, you know what I'm saying? Did you hear me say, all right, I'll take it. Yeah.

He then said, the prosecutor said about that. It's frankly difficult to turn down four consecutive life sentences. It's going to be his own living hell. Every day of his life, he will live with the fact that he killed his family. This quickly and appropriately brings us to a conclusion. So, yeah, that's what happened there. Lorraine Fadden, Michael's mother, said she had no inkling ever that that David was capable of murder. And she wouldn't have sent her son to move there, obviously, if she did, because they said, you ever see this?

And she was like, yeah, I thought he was a murderer. And I said, why don't you move in with him? What do you think, dummy? You know, I knew the guy was a murderer and he was living in this town. I was like, he's moving. Why don't you get the fuck out of this town to take my son with you? That sounds good. Jesus Christ. He smells like onions all the fuck out of this town too? I'll take my son with you. That sounds good. Jesus Christ.

He smells like onions all the time. You know how that works. It's from Roy Rogers. It rubs off of Rosemary. So apparently a friend of theirs here said that, or I'm sorry, Lorraine says, Michael's mother said, they were always in the hole. I knew that.

Says how they argued about how they were spending money and the bills and they were always having that sort of thing they did visit rosemary and david went back to connecticut around christmas 10 days before that to visit friends and they said that uh quote they were all so happy together she even saw a videotape of there's a videotape of the floods that was taken by friends during the holidays or they're all happy and having a good time uh they said uh one of their friends said quote there was nothing to indicate that david would commit murder which yeah that's that's true now as if it wasn't bad enough for these people the mother lorraine and ted novitaski they've lost their children through no fault of

their own here uh now they have to go to court because they're trying to get access to the house that they lived in to get their belongings out oh jesus because they had shit in there that you know things that belong to their family and their kids and they should have it and it's their stuff and the landlord apparently uh after the shooting the landlord changed the locks to the house and since then ted novatasky was trying to he said he was trying to arrange a date with the landlord to retrieve the the items and he said quote we've made a good five or six trips to pennsylvania to no avail so they're like like keeping these people i don't know if they sold everybody paid dickhead that's i mean i don't know if they sold all these people's shit and they

were trying to pretend like oh i don't know where it is uh so the landlord said that that told them that they want the family to make a list of the items they want to take everything in there that belongs to not you how about how about that how about not the house is any of that shit yours right no it's so yeah apparently they had to hire a local lawyer fat in the nova task he had to hire a lawyer to get it's a huge mess here oh no the prosecutor said that he hoped the landlord the prosecutor that prosecuted the murder is like calling the landlord out publicly saying he hoped the landlord and the survivors could meet and uh he would was willing to set something up and broker something uh but the landlord's lawyer

said the landlord lives in new york and he's out of town he's not interested in meeting with these people and uh they can make a list or whatever like that so uh fadden said that she made arrangements though to return to pennsylvania and uh and uh have the police help her open the door and take her stuff and they have some of her kids shit in in their storage and things like that but four consecutive life sentences wow so the police opened the door for police opened the door for they are he is now uh david is i believe still alive from the information i found 74 years old jesus and has been living probably i assume in a great deal of misery yeah for a long time watching a lot of soapy asses deservedly so basically watching a repeat of the allentown video for his entire life into his 70s as

an elderly man. He used to be an elk. Jesus, he used to have horns, man. So, yeah, that is this case here. What a story. It's crazy. And this is one, I figured this case, I needed a shorter case because we're leaving, but it's not a short case in terms of info.

It's just short where there's no appeal, basically. Normally, we'd spend the next 20 minutes talking about how he was an asshole and tried to get out of the stuff, but that never happened. Fifth Circuit and Thirds. Ninth Court said this and some crazy legal wrangling. These are all words I learned because of you. Yeah, and then somebody did something to screw the whole thing up and all that shit. But yeah, we're cutting that part off and leaving it at this. You know, all that shit.

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