Small Town Murder - #134 - Some People Just Don't Mix in Byers, Colorado

Episode Date: August 29, 2019

This week, in Byers, Colorado, a upstanding, church going woman goes missing, and police aren't sure where to turn. Was it her beloved family? A random act? The married couple, who just got a job as ranch hands at the property next door? It isn't long until they decide who to go after, and that's when two very twisted lives become exposed, and their depravity, and callous disregard for human suffering comes to light!Along the way, we find out asterisks can come in handy, that sometimes people are better off alone, and that ice cream probably tastes better when it's the last thing you'll ever eat!! Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman New episodes every Thursday! Donate at: patreon.com/crimeinsports or go to paypal.com & use our email: [e-mail] Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder & Crime In Sports! Follow us on... twitter.com/@murdersmall facebook.com/smalltownpod instagram.com/smalltownmurder Also, check out James & Jimmie's other show, Crime In Sports! On iTunes, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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It's just too much for me. It makes it a lot more sad. And for us, either way, these things happen. Us, whether we say it in a monotone voice or we make a joke around it, it's not going to change the fact that somebody died. That's the way we look at it. Can't bring them back.

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Just lean back and shout, shut up and give me murder. Let's do this, Jimmymy let's go on a trip i would love to let's do this let's do this last week we were we were out east now we're going out west let's go here where were we arkansas last week it was oh boy that was sticky arkansas was a stick that was a i could feel the humidity yeah reading about that damn place brutal this week we're going out to colorado oh great to the mountains jimmy's from colorado so my favorite colorado is beautiful it really is gorgeous weed that's fantastic they figured it out look around it's gorgeous you can buy weed

in a store this is great we figured everything out here i'm over to king supers and pick me up a six-pack of joints oh it's wonderful there colorado it's a it's a wonderland yeah it is we had fun at our live show last year 2020 that's one of the first ones that's lined up great 2020s colorado we're at the summit but we're trying to get to a uh an intimate comedy club yeah we're trying to do uh you have a couple of those we're gonna find one uh the other is great denver's great yeah we're working on that so uh we're going to Byers, Colorado. Okay. You know where Byers is? No, I'm trying.

Is it up near Steamboat Springs? You wouldn't know. I don't know how Steamboat Springs is. I don't know local Colorado. I'm giving references that you wouldn't know. Over by old man Harrington's farm, Jimmy? Wait, you mean when you go to the barn and hook a ride at the fork? Is that what you're saying?

I'm giving you references that you don't know, and I'm probably wrong. No, you know, they might be wrong. Well, I'll tell you references that you don't know, and I'm probably wrong. No, you don't. They might be wrong. Well, I'll tell you where it is. It might be over by Greeley. It's in north central, kind of eastern Colorado. It's in the Denver-ish area here. It's 50 minutes to Denver.

Oh, great. So 50 minutes outside Denver. Northeast? Northeast, yeah. It's that kind of where Denver's kind of right. All right, so it's equidistant to my hometown. Probably. Because Colorado Springs is just an hour south.

It's kind of, yeah. It's one of those. It's two hours up to Che hometown. Probably. Colorado Springs is just an hour south. It's kind of, yeah, it's one of those. It's two hours up to Cheyenne, Wyoming from here. 45 minutes north of the Kiowa, which was our last Colorado episode. Right. I think episode 91. This is in Arapahoe County here. Zip code 80103.

Area code 303. 4.3 square miles. So your average small town. Motto motto i couldn't really find a motto so i had to give them one on my own because they're they're really not big on technology their website looks like they built it in 1996 and then said now don't touch it ever just leave it like that it's really weird they fucked up a lot and they were like so weird this was impossible to redo again so nobody touch it. No one here knows how to do it.

Anyone here know anything about computers? No? Just don't touch it. Fine. Motto here, quote, come for the nothing, stay for the nowhere. Beautiful. I feel like that's as good as it's going to get for them. You can use that.

I'm giving you permission, buyers. The thing is, when you go... Put it on your shitty website. Denver, when you look at it on a postcard, you got like the Rockies in the background. That's all taken from the fucking east. Oh, yeah. Because if you look the other way, turn around, it's shit. You're just looking at Nebraska.

You go, oh, wow. Look at Kansas. I can see clear. Is that Omaha? I think I can see a Perkins. I can see a terrible, awful place that's worse than Cleveland. I think I can see that. Omaha, worse than Cleveland. I think I can see that. Omaha, worse than Cleveland.

So, yeah, there's been a post office here since 1873. The community was named for William Byers, who was the newspaper editor there. He started a big newspaper. A fucking editor? He started the Rocky Mountain News, I guess. He was the first editor there. It was the first editor there. He was the first newspaper printed in Colorado.

How about that? And went until 2009, because all the newspapers are dying. The goddamn internet. That's what happened. The internet's taking it. We're crushing newspapers as we speak here. The internet killed the Byers star. Killed it all, man.

So Byers apparently started out in Iowa in the 1850s, and then he moved he went to Omaha when the city was being laid out in 1854. And quickly got the fuck out. Yeah. It's like, this place is terrible. No, he was the first deputy surveyor in the Nebraska Territory. No kidding. Very exciting. Look at that land.

Want to survey flat land? Hey, look. That's got to be the easiest job on earth. I don't know. Just squares? Yeah. We're doing all squares. No, the whole west.

It doesn't matter. Not just the county. Everywhere. Play this shit out in a grid. Yeah. From here to California, just all squares. We don't care. Easy peasy.

If there's a river, just draw it on that. It's fine. Right down. There you go. So strange here. So, moved to denver in 1859 to take it there was gold strikes yeah in that in that area here so uh he took the printing presses from a defunct newspaper that he had in nebraska or from some other newspaper he loaded up his ox cart jesus and went west poor auction jesus this is oh can you west. Poor oxen. Jesus. This is, oh my God.

Can you imagine how many oxen it must have taken to move printing presses? That's what I mean. Those are so fucking heavy, right? Back then they were very big, yeah. Yeah. He and another guy were authors of a handbook to the gold fields. So they got there and immediately published. They didn't know any more about the gold fields than anybody else.

They just got there. So they got there, talked to a few guys, and wrote the handbook to the gold fields field so all the newbies that were coming in looking for gold would buy a pick and this and that and handbook to the gold fields and put that in their pocket so it's very smart there's always these people springing around any type of any type of boom town there's always someone like is that the birth of the we can make a buck yeah well it's just it was smart it was a guy it was a manual a guide to genius it's a very genius here a couple of bucks extra few bucks here yeah so uh he used it uh the the uh the jesus the an oxen that's an ox car think about that in 1863 he purchased hot sulfur springs in

northern colorado beautiful from a minnesota sue woman in what's called a shady deal, causing the real owners, who was the Ute tribe, to sue him unsuccessfully. Really? Yeah. He planned on turning hot sulfur springs into what he called America's Switzerland, and it didn't happen because the railroad was supposed to come, and it didn't come until 1928. What did he want to do?

How do you make that America's Switzerland? Make it just neutral there i don't know i think i think that something about the springs i think it's healing and such as yeah i think that's what he was going for like a like a mountain i thought he's trying to get like all bernie supporters there yeah no no yeah they're just america everybody neutral everybody's neutral let's stay out of it all there you know no he was uh bother was you don't bother me i don't bother you yeah i wouldn't call bernie sporter's neutral really that's no offense to them i'm just it's not really nobody's neutral but uh switzerland yeah in terms of warfare you're saying yeah switzerland's staying out of shit here uh this here uh he made a bet in 1863 they're

gonna go railroad's gonna come soon yeah everyone's gonna right here. And it didn't come to 1928. Oh, no. That's a bust. Whoops. The daisy. That didn't exactly work. He built like, whoops. Bad speculation there.

You know, he talked to some councilman or something that was like, the railroad's coming. I got on good authority. The rail. And then it just never. When's that railroad coming through? Fuck face. I got a lot of money. I got a lot of sulfur and springs here.

So get your shit together. You fucking jerk. God, these people. So in Denver, he built several mansions, including one that was known as the Byers Evans House, which is now a museum located next to the Denver Art Museum in downtown Denver. museum in downtown Denver. Him and his wife relocated to what they called South Denver and organized a dry community there. Denver's nice, but this booze.

All this booze. All this booze. Let's go out there and stare into the plains with no booze in our systems. Get away from these Coors boys. Yeah, you know know that goes there so uh anyway he uh the the he planted a bunch of trees on this one property and uh it's around William N. Byers junior high school apparently there and so uh that's how that worked during the 1860s it was basically cattle range and sheep industry around here when the gold started to because the gold brush didn't

last long here as they don't usually last long gold rush eventually it's all gone people tend to get it quick pull it out and then there it is you got it all it's the thing it's not it's not like conveyor yeah there's not a lot being made that's the problem takes a bit and if it's not a good place people just leave yeah that's why like tombstone right like the silver silver's gone. This is the desert, man. We've got to go. Later. Going to someplace better. Fucking hot. San Francisco?

Gold dries up. They're like, that's a great view, though. I'm from Iowa. This is gorgeous. I'm staying here. I don't give a shit if there's gold or not. This is beautiful, man. There's an ocean.

It's better than gold. Come on here. So this is awesome. A guy who had the biggest cattle operation in buyers his name was joseph farmer no shit that's awesome how do you how do you that's great he was destined to change it he was destined that's amazing yeah i'm joseph rancher now but i mean that's what the their last name was basically what they what they did back in the day crops too yeah he comes from good farming stock i'm sure he had he had

crops also on that so joseph farmer there joe farmer that's awesome it sounds made up it does it's like a kid's book joe farmer woke up to water his crops in the morning and he walks out sounds like a sarah palin character yes yeah yeah joe farmer i'm here here for Joe the farmer and Joe Farmer. And he's like, hey, don't speak for me. I have my own voice. I got it. I got cattle. I'll fucking speak for myself. So Jesus Christ.

So there's a lot of skirmishes between Indian tribes and cavalry during this time in eastern Colorado. But nothing really around here. It was quiet around buyers. Very quiet. People came around here in the early 1900s the homesteaders came they uh because basically all the plains lands were taken by then all the nebraska and all that so they just kept going west and west till they got here so they uh there was still some land left for people here basically uh people who came the homesteaders lived in what they called just sod houses yeah or a what they called a quote a soddy which sounds terrible it does uh

it was created from three foot strips of buffalo grass sod which sounds i guess you just stack them up or make walls out of sod just kind of fucking staple it together i suppose or put i assume it was probably mudded together i feel like you fall asleep with a cigarette and your fucking house is gone yeah well the problem is it was good for temperature yeah because like in the summer it kept it out in the winter it actually was pretty decent insulation you go underground it's yeah that makes sense i mean if you ride a motorcycle when you go under an overpass in the summertime it's so cool under there and in the wintertime so warm it's one yeah it doesn'tpass in the summertime, it's so cool under there. And in the wintertime, so warm.

It doesn't make any sense. But it makes sense. It stays a consistent temperature that's better in comparison. But here, they did that. Problem was, the other things that would seek refuge in places like this, because it's like a natural thing, were shitloads of animals and snakes and rats and skunks. Raccoons. They burrow their way in there. How's it going?

This looks like some shit I would build for myself being an animal. This looks familiar. This is really great. I love what you've done with the place. I usually build them smaller. I put the couch on the left side, but I don't mind what you guys have done. This is nice. What do you got?

A 42-incher there on the TV? Because I can't fit that in my joint, but I like it. Just a 19-inch, you know. I'm going to stay here. This is good. I'm going to stay here. Yeah, yeah. Now let's bring back the Sahara Desert Fart Fact of the Week.

Great! Let's do this. We've been asked for it plenty. So as an incentive to build railroad tracks, the Kansas Pacific Railroad received a federal land grant that resulted in the railroad receiving odd-numbered sections for 20 miles on each side of the tracks. For every mile of track, the company earned 20 square miles of land. That was the deal.

You put a mile down a track, you get 20 square miles of land. So you get all the land around the track, basically. Oh, 10 miles on either side. It's like building in Sim City. Yeah. And you get squares around the road you put down. That's great. That's kind of like what it is back in the day day and uh yeah railroad companies would then own the land so

they would sell the land off and it was valuable right next to a fucking railroad track this was good incentive to build railroads can you imagine that being valuable yeah nowadays you live near a railroad track what the fuck's wrong with nobody but back then for well even for businesses though it was good to load cargo on. You didn't have to then load it onto an ox cart and then take it to the thing. You could just ride the tracks. That's what they used to do. The backs of their buildings would go right up to the tracks there.

So, yeah, a bunch of towns were created from this, including Byers in 1889. So that's your Sahara Desert Fart Fact of the Week. One square mile of track. One mile of track equals 20 square miles of land. We've all learned. And we've learned something, because I didn't know that. Anyway. Is that 10 miles on either side?

Yeah, it's got to be, right? It's probably 10 or on either side, I think. It's like an easement. That's like putting the Sim City street down. There's squares on the sides there. So people in this town, 1,212. So 1,200 people here. Up 14% since 1990 1990 more males than females here

the demographics it's about 47 is the age so it's kind of a little bit older kind of a you know families kind of that sort of thing it's about 10 years older than the national average all the everything 45 and above is high not Not a lot of kids here. So that's how the ages go. More married people than normal, 63% marriage. Normally it's 50-50. Low divorce rate, a little high on the widow rate, but there's older people here,

so you're going to goddamn expect that. This is going to be religious, though, isn't it? Well, we'll talk about that. But single with no children, usually 10%, 3% here. So not your party, get down, single with no children town. The people who are here, it's kind of a family thing. Race in this town, 92% white. So awfully pretty white. Awfully Caucasian.

Yeah, 0.5% black, 0.0% Asian. Wow. Not having that shit at all. On either side, apparently. We don't want you here and they don't want to come i don't know what happened there we're not going there not an impact i don't know yeah there's a disagree there's some sort of disagreement obviously we're there in full agreement or the yeah no thanks don't be here okay no thanks keep on walking all right then

no thanks everybody just shrugs and all right and that's it all right no worries 5.9 percent hispanic here religious in this town 34 and a half percent religious which is fascinating because they're older yeah older people forget that they believe in anything once you hit 75 you forget you believed in anything or you're just so you're like i'm in a lot of pain and everyone i know is dead what What am I worshiping? Maybe I'm Jesus. Yeah. Well, I think it's just at this point you're like, if there is a God, he sucks.

Right. So fuck him. I think that's what people get to when they're old. You know, they have to. I don't know. Either that or they latch on either one. Two point five percent Baptist. Most of the people are 13 percent Catholic, but it's not really anything.

Two point six percent Mormon. I'm surprised they haven't invaded further. 0.0% Jewish. Not just, again, not having that. 1.9% Islam, though, which is high for a small mountain town. It really is. Way higher than we normally get here. Last election, about 53% voted Democrat, about 38% Republican.

This is in Arapahoe County. And 8.6% Independent, which is a lot. But out West, anytime you get mountains, you get people that think differently like that. You get a lot of independent, Vermont, New Hampshire, a lot of independent voters here, a lot of independent voters. Something about mountains.

I don't know what it is. I guess the people who want to go live in the mountains is a different... It's a different breed of people. Yeah, it's a different different breed but they did i mean they got they got legal weed first yeah no it's a forward-thinking group they did a great job they did very impressed with that well i mean denver's was it john denver uh they sang was it john denver saying rocky mountain high i mean the rocky mountain high is yeah that's why that shit got legal i believe because they've been singing about it for years it's always been a weird play like hunter thompson almost won sheriff of pitkin

county did he really he lost by like like three percent of the vote or something it's insane they're so great and he shaved his head bald super bald which was weird back then wore dark glasses and during debates refused to say that he would stop taking mescaline the only conceit he would make is that he wouldn't take mescaline while on duty while on duty he goes but i get off work i'm not telling that's my that's my time eight hours a day so that's what i mean it's a different breed out there of people and they're like that's my guy yeah they they ran they ran a guy for before that too and they they ran under the freak power ticket and they man they got a shitload of votes like the democrats and republicans had to pool their votes together try to meet him to to elect a different person because he was

beating he was dark horse yeah he took he took it from both sides so they got together so they were like, we can't have this lunatic. He had a thing that he was going to tear up all the roads and put down... I want dirt roads

in this motherfucker. He just put down grass. No cars downtown. Like this whole thing, like this big thing. It was awesome. That's genius. Awesome, awesome.

It was weird. And that's Colorado, man. That's Colorado, man. It's crazy. That was Aspen. You never know. That's what, man. It's crazy. That was Aspen. You never know. That's what it is. You don't know what we're going to do.

We're crazy. We're wild cards. It's interesting. So 3.1% unemployment. So pretty low here. Household income's a little high, though. It's usually about $58,000. Here it is almost $65,000.

It's a little bit high, but not high enough, as we'll look at here in a second. Jobs, there's a lot of construction, a lot of blue-collar jobs going on here. Not a ton of white-collar shit happening. Cost of living, 100 is regular, average par. And here, cost of living is 142. So it's a little bit high. And everything else is normal, except for housing, which is high. Fuck yeah, it is.

It's about 203 housing. Jesus. Colorado, slow down. Median household income here, or median home cost here, 369,900 bucks, which is, that's high because, I mean, the income's a little high, but it's not that high. So if we've convinced you. I don't know how. That you need to go to the mountains and peer out to the east east into the plains, wonder why the hell anyone lives out that direction.

Squint through the grain. If you want to do that, we have for you the Buyers Colorado Real Estate Report. Your average two-bedroom rental here is actually, it seems like a bargain. It's usually about $1,250. $800? $1,310. Wow. Which is only a little higher than average, but it's not double the average like everything else.

I found a three-bedroom, two-bath, 1,232-square-foot house that needs some help. It looks, it's rough. It needs help. It looks, it's just not great. Oh, God. $279,900. And that's about as cheap as you're just not great. Oh, God. $279,900. And that's about as cheap as you're going to get here. Oh, fuck.

You can get land at a decent price, but to build something on it is expensive. I found a three-bedroom, two-bath, 3,672-square-foot house that needs a lot of help. It's got a lot of problems. It looks like it needs some, I don't know, maybe some roofing. It's 4,000 square feet. It's a big house though, $399,900. So if you want to put some dough into that house, it could be an investment. I'm not sure. Then I found a house, you want to stretch out a little bit here. It's three bedroom,

three bath, 2,550 square feet, but it's on 39 acres. So it's a huge potential horse property. Yeah. It's got like three different buildings. It's got a garage, separate house, and like a little workshop thing. Looks nice. $534,900. Jesus. But that's a lot of Colorado. 39 acres is a lot. That is a lot.

That's a lot of land. God, that sounds great. It's open. I want to own it. A lot open. I don't know. I want to own that. $534,000.

James, will you live with me? Go live with me in a field. We could peer into Nebraska. Can I rent the garage from you? That's perfect. Let's do it. So, things to do. Yeah.

Oh, boy. This is the thing. There's tons of shit to do up there. Oh, you know it. And I found the one. The turkey shoot dance and fundraiser. Oh, no. Colorado, what have you done grab your turkey shoot it in

the face spin it around and make them soup i don't fucking know turkey shoot the turkey shoot god jesus it's to raise money for veteran services treatment and i believe suicide prevention but i took a screenshot of this to show you they will not print the word suicide on their advertisement. Wow. So they do an asterisk. They asterisk out the word suicide. Let's come together and raise money for veteran services, treatment and blank prevention.

That's an exclamation point. So they want to get you jacked about it, but you're not allowed to say suicide. We don't want to tell you what we're preventing. Yeah. Which is. Is it abortion? It's just weird. It suicide. Yeah. Is it abortion? It's just weird. It could be anything.

Is it drugs? Jerking off? Masturbation? That's what I mean. Tell people what they're preventing. They need to know. It's a serious issue is what I'm getting at. We're preventing some shit.

We can't pretend the word, not even the word exists. I don't think that's helping. But dance, drink, take your chances, mingle and win. All exclamation points after all that. Dance the dust off your boots, double exclamation point. So you can do that. 60% of the proceeds will go to the Veterans Asterix Prevention Program. Does it have it again?

Everywhere in this. Wow. It has it. They will not tell you what they're preventing. They will not say it. Everywhere. And it says it just in sentences, like, raffle will be donated to veterans treatment and asterisk prevention.

It will not fucking say it. They will not tell you what these poor guys are going through. That is so good. What these poor people are going through. What they're afflicted with. Yeah. It's so bad, we can't tell. We can't even discuss it. that's how bad it needs to be

prevented can you imagine that like they're having like aids fundraisers in like 1990 and they're like we're having an asterisk fundraiser we can't say what it's about okay we're having a prevention set of an artist look at the sentence and check out the context you know what we're saying no this is weird. The thing that Magic Johnson might have one day. That. That.

It's going to happen. Trust me. I have an inside track here. Tickets are $5 each or five for 20 bucks. Great prizes will be won. All capital letters on great prizes.

So they're going to be great. Not enough to tell you what they are, but they're great. I don't know. Either way, it's a good cause to donate to. It's the most vague fucking thing ever. Just tell you what they are, but they're great. I don't know. Either way, it's a good cause to donate to. It's the most vague fucking thing ever.

Just tell you what, that sounds terrible. Just stay home and send them money. That sounds terrible. The whole thing sounds just awful. There he is. That's James. That sounds terrible, Patrick. Not on purpose either, but it does sound terrible.

It's so good. Stay home and write a nice check for these veterans so you can prevent their asterisks from happening because we don't want our poor veterans to asterisk. We don't want that to happen. We don't. As a country, we should take more better asterisk prevention. Keep them from committing asterisks. Yeah, we can't have that. Because the real victims of asterisk are the families left behind.

There's nothing left but a bunch of asterisks. They're like, now what? It's the children. Their parents are just gone because of asterisks. Bill passed away. What happened? How did he die? Asterisks.

Got him. They finally got him. They caught up to him. He got the asterisk. And we're not making fun of veteran suicide. We're making fun of the fact that they don't talk about it. That's how you prevent it. Just not trying to do a good thing, but they're just

like, we can't say suicide. That's depressing. thing but they're just like we can't say suicide right that's depressing it's a turkey shoot you can't say suicide we can't involve guns the next sentence tell them to knock the dust off their dancing boots like we can't do that this is getting weird so we gotta keep ted from feeling bad about himself you guys he might shoot himself ted you're not allowed to participate in the turkey shoot. Put your asterisk down right now. Jesus Christ. That's hilarious.

They've got guns and... Oh, good Lord. They're going to shoot a turkey in the name of a guy shooting himself in the face. We're shooting this turkey so it won't asterisk itself. That's worse. Fucking hell. Unbelievable. Crime rate in this town, what we're interested in besides turkeys, is about property crimes.

It's about a third lower than the national average. And violent crime, murder, rape, robbery, and of course assault is about the Mount Rushmore of crime is half the national average. So it's a safe little town, like we said. Excuse a little older. You know, it's that safe little town like we said excuse a little older you know it's that sort of a place but uh bad things do happen here oh yeah and we know of one bad thing that definitely happened here let's talk about a murder jimmy what do you say uh let's talk about this let's talk let's go back to in time a little bit here okay let's go back to 1985 yeah shall we okay oh it's a it's a glorious time yeah i'm

trying to you know second season of strangers our third season of strangers things that's 1985 right there new coke is happening uh people mom was moving me through wolf creek pass coming back here to phoenix arizona interesting 1985 1985 i was moving about in a series of apartments yeah with my mother as well in 1985 in in New York but yeah yeah yeah so we're both having a great time moving we're both on the go things were unstable let's say that's best there was a man in the driver's seat who liked to flick me in the fucking forehead that's that was this punishment of me and it hurts so I remember I remember being four and five years old and feeling I don't remember much of that age,

but I remember that fucking sting in the grocery store when I'd pick something up. That's awful. It just fucking whacked in the face. That's one of the worst stories I've heard of. One of the worst stories I've heard of stepfathering is that one. If you combine that with a cousin of mine talked about a stepfather he had in the 70s where the guy wore like a shitty leather jacket but on the back of it his i don't remember his name and if i did i don't want to say whatever but he is his initial was an it was an s and he made an s on the back of his jacket and tape no and like fucking electrical tape on the back of his jacket and tape. No. And like fucking electrical tape on the back of his jacket.

He walked around with that shit? He walked around like that. Like that was the design he made. Fucking Steve. That was his embroidery. So that I remember so clearly as my cousin being like six years old. Even him at that rate knowing like,

what a scumbag. That's the guy that will flick you in the face. Yeah, that's what I mean. I feel like those guys are simpatico. I wonder if he went from my aunt to your mom. I'm not positive. I feel like those guys are simpatico. I wonder if he went from my aunt to your mom. I'm not positive. I can see it.

But it could have happened. We're going to 1985. This is late 1985, early 1986. Let's talk about a couple. All right. Let's talk about a couple of people

who are together. So they would also be a couple. Oh, yeah. So Gary and Virginia May. Let's start there. Okay. Gary and Virginia May, they have two children. Okay. Gary and Virginia May, they have

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If you haven't heard, I cannot tolerate the Pioneer Woman. We watch the show and I'm just like, oh, you fucking asshole. You grudge watcher? Stop saying chicken like that. Stop it. We're going to make chicken. Chicken. Every time. We're going to have some chicken and we're going to mix it in.

And she just kind of does this. She doesn't have like, yeah. it looks like T-Rex. It looks like her wrists don't like work. And she just kind of she has to like fling her hands into things and mix shit. It's really weird. Who was it that had like there was a movie where the guy's hands were numb and he was just like flopping around. It's kind of like that. Yeah.

Like her hands. It's just more of a cane all over him. More about her speech. It's more about chicken her hands are It's just more about Novocaine all over them. It's more about her speech. It's more about chicken. Chicken. It's just, oh. So anyway, and then they're burying people in the yard

and I'm like, what is happening? Well, she's doing like a book signing tour thing and so we're really considering going. We want to go. It's like 32 bucks. You get a book and she'll sign it and I can go, why do you bury your fucking mother-in-law

in the yard and make BLTs for the ranch? This is weird. How many people are buried at your house? Say chicken right. Say chicken right. Say chicken. Chicken. See that?

Chicken. How many people are buried in your yard? Once I figure that's the point, they'll start dragging me away. How many people are buried in your fucking yard, Ree? How many? Ree. How many did you kill I want to be responsible Sarah's just smiling

can we talk about to James if you could be terrible so actually she'd be next to me yelling loud serious how many people Ray answer him she we encourage each other. It's not good.

When is that? Soon, I think. We're here. I was like, are we on tour? I was like, we're in town for that. I might go to that. Do I bring my kids to watch you get thrown out of something? That would be amazing.

I will Instagram live the fuck out of that. Chicken, chicken, chicken. Dragging me through the door. I'm holding on the frame, screaming, check in. You know she says it funny every... You people know I'm right. My daughter will encourage it. She'll be like, yeah, tell her.

Get her. She has people buried. Even your daughter at eight will know that's weird how many people are in your yard that's weird it seems like a lot so your your dad's mom is in your yard is there no cemetery where you're from super creepy and you made your kids help that's even weirder so come on kids gonna bury grandma so wow so uh her family, Virginia Mae, back to these Gary and Virginia Mae. Sorry about that sidebar here. Her father, Rod McLennan, and her brothers, Scott, Dan, and Dave, are also all in the ranching business.

So that's their whole game is ranching business. And so are these guys. They're very salt of the earth, what you would think of as like rural yeah ranchy people fuck yeah they're very nice they're kind to everybody they're you know they're church-going people and they're like you know they're they're that type of they're they're a stereotype almost these people here uh they go to church all the time uh virginia may meets a married couple at church that she seems to like, takes a liking to. A guy named another Gary. I don't know if maybe that helped.

There's a lot of Garys out there. Same name as her husband. So this is Gary Lee Davis and his wife Becky. So Gary and Becky. So we got Gary in Virginia and she goes by Ginny and we have Gary and Becky. So there we go. It's better than Verge. It's doing great.

Yeah, it's much better than Verge. My mom had a friend named Verge. And it was always like... Bed Puddles' grandma's name was Virginia and they called her Verge. I was like, how about we don't? This Verge was a mess. Really?

Oh, God. She was just always smoking and drinking and complaining about things. And she was like the type that would show up with makeup all over her face and a bottle of booze in her hand. Yeah, going, I think I'm going i think they're like drinking and shit i remember having to like go to her house and watch videos in her living room my mother would console her for hours in the thing when i was like seven years old just what i guess i'll watch wrestlemania 3 again it's long anyway

anytime i hear verge i just think of the fucking tombstone i think of verge oh yeah way too close to a dude's name i don't know especially that dude yeah it's goddamn sam elliott as it gets yeah sam elliott's just a penis with a mustache he's a he's a man like all the mustache like nobody else can have any mustache he's got all of it stole all the so big yeah it's that's why kurt russell's wasn't as impressive in there. He's like, I wanted to grow a bigger one but next to Sam Elliott I look like a pussy. You know how that goes. There's a Mexican guy with a catfish mustache with like three whiskers hanging out of his lip on either side because Sam Elliott's

got the rest of them. You think Val Kilmer just sobbed at night? He did. He had to. Jesus, how much of a bitch am I? He just rubbed Vaseline on it. Looks like he's a 12-year-old in the 60s. I've been growing this since I'm nine. It's not working, man. So she meets Ginny, Virginia, meets Gary Lee Davis and his wife, Becky, here.

And in February of 1986, she hires them as ranch hands to work on the ranch. There's a ranch that adjoins the the there's a separate bunch of different ranches and the maize and mclennan and mclennan's both have their ranches and they're all kind of adjoining basically so they hire uh he ends up getting hired here uh gary lee davis and his wife uh so gary davis and becky they end up they give them there's a house owned by their employer they're not he's not employed by the maize and, they give them, there's a house owned by their employer. They're not, he's not employed by the Mays and McLennans. It's another ranch that butts up against their property.

So it's like, we don't, I can try to find you work. I think that's what it was. They just moved to the area and they're a married couple looking for work. And she said, we don't need anybody, but I'm going to see if maybe my neighbor needs somebody. And she gets them hired on as a ranch hand over next door. And they live on the Davis's live on the property of that ranch right there. So, you know, right there. It's the one that's the maze live.

The maze and the Davis's live pretty close together. And there's a house in between them. Basically. Well, there's ranches are too big. Yeah. But there's like a ranch and house in between house in between them that they live in. Basically. Well, there's ranches. There are two big ranches. Yeah. But there's like a ranch and house in between the two houses that these people live in. No, no, no, no, no. That's in their own property.

And then Jesus on this. Yeah, there's there's a ranch that the Davis's work at now. And their ranch and house is, I guess, closest to the mazes house of any other house in the area. Got it. So that's how that works, Virginia and Gary Mays. And either way, Gary Davis and Gary May, they meet here and there. I don't know if Gary May doesn't go to church with his wife or how that works, but they don't seem to know each other as well.

They seem to all know Virginia. I don't know if she's just more social or how that goes. But they met a few times when they were working on fence lines between the properties how you doing gary gary gary gary hold on my brother gary's coming as a mother brother gary hey how you doing gary hey uh have you seen gary by the way because he's uh gary's the no gary the pizza delivery guy he's supposed to be here soon my pie yeah i don't have that right now i gotta call my lawyer gary real quick hi gary it's gary i'm here with gary gary and gary i was wondering have you

spoke to justice gary and found out about if our case is going to trial what the hell's going on it's my dad's fucking maternal mother of course it is with the name jerry like everything was jerry every person she had a kid with was named Jerry, and every child was named fucking Jerry. I like you. If I'm looking for a Jerry, I'm very specific. How do you do? What's your name? She pulled it off, though.

Your name's Tom? I'll see you around. She found that many Jerrys. Good for her. Three of them. Some people can't find- And then I have three kids. Named them all Jerry.

Jesus Christ. Jerry, Jerry, Jerry, and Jerry. So there's six Jerrys that are hanging around? Six Jerrys. Too many Jerrys. That's what happened in all of Colorado. Fucking ridiculous. And it spread.

Jerrys and Garys. Too many Jerrys and Garys. So apparently Gary Davis was... This is the ranch hand, not Virginia's husband. was, this is the ranch hand, not Virginia's husband, Gary Davis here. I mean, they talk about that he would make off-color comments to the other ranch hands, which is like, I mean, if you've ever been in a guy situation, guys say gross shit. They do. I've heard people who are very upstanding say horrible things about women

women you have no idea you think that we're like horrible yeah well you don't even know you haven't got a clue you don't even know the half of it and you think we're terrible if you ever heard us speaking privately my god and if you think hr rules have stopped no no no no no the way guys are that's the thing. They say horrible things amongst each other. It's a little bit better now if you're in a professional environment, but if guys are friends, they'll still say horrible things. For sure. For sure.

If there's trust in between them, forget it. Gross. What we're saying is none of us are nice. He's not a good one amongst... No, he's not. Find the least terrible one of us, if that's what you're looking for, and that's fine. But don't look for he's different. Now, we're all disgusting, horrible people.

Just terrible. Honestly, we're awful. It's true. Keep that in mind is all we're saying when you're out there. Just think gross. So anyway, all of us. Well, he would say to other ranch hands that he thought virginia was kind of fine uh-huh it says virginia's uh yeah what was it uh in money pit it's a good looking wool gross

oh that's the most disgusting thing i've ever heard and tom hanks is like well you know he's a good plumber. I mean, he's a good looking wool. I don't know. I mean, it's a compliment. God damn it. So, yeah, this is, he talks about this, but for lots of people, he'd say it about Virginia. If someone came, hey, look at this one over here. Do you see the one in town that works at the general store?

There's a hot piece of ass. He just says gross shit. He's the, this is what I mean. Not all guys are like this. No, that's the thing. There's always the guys that are way grosser where we shit. He's the, this is what I mean. Not all guys are like this. No, no. That's the thing. There's always the guys that are way grosser where we roll our eyes at them. Right. And they're like, enough already.

Jesus. The guy who comes along once in a while is like, did you see the fucking ass on her? Oh, please. I've heard. Yeah. Guys say that. That's not. Did you see the shit cutter on the, the what?

People say, yeah. The what? You have no idea the terrible. Are you out of your fucking mind? The terrible shit the guys say. But that's even mild, though. That's just a mild thing. Then there's the guy who gets over gross about it.

You're like, all right, I don't want to talk to you. You're weird. You need a new guy to take my order? Who are you? Yeah, this is weird. The other guy, you could ignore him for a minute and just be like, yeah, all right, whatever. Your knuckles are dragging, as Sarah would say. But relax. So this. So, yeah, also the sister in law, Virginia's sister in law, one of the McLennan girls here that her brothers were married to Sue.

He would say that she was a piece of ass. And so, I mean, these are the women that were around. And he's kind of a just a kind of a sleazy dude and he says shitty things. So that's kind of that's sort of in the realm of, you know, average, I would say, normal, but average anyway. So one person, one of the ranch and said on at least one occasion, Jesus, Gary was Gary Davis here was urinating toward the Mays house. Urinating toward it. I don't know how close he came or if it was just in the, like a symbolic thing. Like if you're praying toward Mecca. Right.

Like you can't see Mecca, but it's that direction, I guess. You're in America, for Christ's sake. Yeah, you're way far away. But it's that, I don't know if that's what it was, I'm peeing in that direction. Peeing towards Mecca. Yeah, you're peeing towards Mecca. Go on. Toward May's Mecca. Apparently he said on more than one

occasion, quote, come on Virginia baby, I'm here, come to me while he's pissing. What does that even mean? I don't know. I don't know if he wants to pee on her or if just the mere fact that his penis is out makes him think of that she would maybe want to come watch him pee i'm not sure virginia there's no buffer between me and win look at this we it's just a weird the sun's

touching it yeah so i think it's time to find out who the hell gary lee davis is because this guy is a weird dude who comes around meets people at church and then pees in their direction when they get them jobs so uh let's talk about gary davis a couple of things here there's some good facts that most of this information comes from uh there's a lot of court documents here that were really well put together really the colorado's good at keeping track of shit yeah uh some states they really it's really their court documents are they're very focused in colorado because they're fucking stone they're stone and they're like no dude we got to put everything in now if we put that in medical dude fucking one two come on man you got footnotes brother let's do this so uh yeah they're really

good at it but some of these facts i didn't find anywhere except for one article yeah there was a ton of stuff but some of these were very specific to this article so this person must have done some investigating so i want to give them credit it's from it's called the twisted life of uh gary davis by alan prender prendergast at west world westward.com word like the like a word so anyway uh just some of this is from that but there's enough to where i think this guy found it so he should get credit for it but uh gary lee davis here he's born in wichita kansas uh he's raised by his mother he's born gary lee garer so he's not davis when he's born he's born in 1944 yeah garer his name is Gary Gerrard? Gary Gerrard. Ugh.

Why'd you name him Gary? The fuck? It's the law. We have to name all the kids Gary. Ugh. Jesus. So, Gary. What do you want?

Jerry? Fine. Fine. Jerry Gerrard. People will just call him Jerry Gerrard at that point. It'll be both. So, Jesus Christ. He has two brothers.

He's the middle. He's the middle. He's the middle kid here. His mother remarried when he's eight years old. So, it's a troubled, it's a real kind of a trashy, it's kind of like a 40s version of like us. Yeah. It's just a little bit unstable, I would say. So, his mother remarries when he's eight years old here.

In Wichita? In Wichita here. And that's to a guy named Davis. Got it. And that was back in the day when you got divorced and someone remarried. That was it. You weren't part of them anymore. No.

It's over. It's normal. Yeah. Like you, yeah, if you were the dad, you'd go make a new family and then the woman would marry a guy and those kids would call that guy dad. No. Like, that was normal. Yeah. Like, you, yeah, if you were the dad, you'd go make a new family and then the woman would marry a guy and those kids would call that guy dad.

Yeah. And that was it. They didn't talk to dad anymore. Well, the shit was weird back then. The guy that flicked me in the forehead, I had his last name

for like four years. That was a weird thing. That was an old thing. That was an old timey thing. The thing you did. That was super fucking weird. And my last name would have been the same

as our fucking agent. That's one of our... It's the weirdest, the worst last name on earth. That's as our fucking agent. It's the weirdest. The worst last name on Earth. As one of our Joes? Yeah. One of our Joes has the worst last name on Earth. Because of that?

Yeah. Poor guy. At least he didn't write an E in electrical tape on his denim jacket. That poor fuck is stuck with it, though. Oh, Jesus. So, yeah, his mother marries Gary, and then he gets a new name, Gary Lee Davis, which he was probably happy about. Hell, yeah. This is way better than Gerr.

At least people can spell this. Davis is pretty... Pretty simple. You know, Gary Lee Davis. Yeah. You could be an offensive tackler, so an All-American. So they said that his father was just not around, absent from then on. They called his stepfather was very

aloof and didn't really pay much attention to him. There's other kids involved too. The father has, his stepfather has sons also. So we're mixing in more kids into this mix. And they talk a lot about his grandfather was very strict. So that's the kind of upbringing, but nothing crazy

that we have to hear about like his grandfather beat him with a stick. No Charles Manson's grandfather put him in a dress and sent him to school and shit like that. Manson's grandfather did that? Oh, yes. They were monsters to him. Good God. Told him he was weak and since he's

a girl, they were going to dress you like a girl and send you to school and then everybody beat him up and picked on him and you can go down the road from there. How that that how that works you can see the psychology you don't have to be a doctor to see how that plays out down the road for a person so uh one of his brothers one of his biological brothers described him as a kid gary is a kid as a follower he said he's a follower and he's a kid who quote couldn, couldn't be aggressive and, quote, wouldn't fight nobody. Which is, I mean, he's a kid who wasn't a big fighter.

He wasn't an aggressive kid. Sounds like a kid who's fucking looking for guidance. That's your big brother. That's your fucking fault. Wouldn't fight nobody. So, I mean, some kids are sensitive. Also, too, some kids are sensitive also too some kids don't go through puberty a little bit later and have some kid with a mustache picking on you

when you're you haven't even hit puberty yet that's a that's a problem you're both 13 and this kid's got fucking middle school's an issue like that you have kids who are shaving every day and kids who look like they're nine and going to the same school together well i had the i had the opposite two-year difference i looked like i was nine and then to the same school together well i had the two year difference i looked like i was nine and then i had the chest hair of a 47 year old man it was ridiculous that's so embarrassing to change my shirt and pe i had like seventh and eighth grade were very different really seventh grade i was not tall yeah i was of average height and and fat yeah and chubby and then in eighth grade i was six foot two and it was chiseled

it was weird over a summer yeah like what the fuck happened to you literally people didn't recognize me when i came they're like what the hell happened to you oh my god what the shit it was weird yeah it was it was funny so that's the type of thing that happens to you in middle school though it's very much it's better than high school i guess where they put let's put a 14 year old girl in with 19 year old guys that's fair right yeah that's sounds good perfect that's nice no no no no let's split that shit up please can we have like ninth and tenth grade alone 11th and 12th grade by themselves i'm fine with ninth grade school 10th grade school, all separate buildings in separate areas of town.

Fuck everything. I keep all the elementary schools. We don't care how far they are. Fuck them. Keep them all apart. Treat it like segregation, but worse. But worse.

Age segregation. So he bragged that he lost his virginity at age 12. He said that a friend of his mother put him on, for lack of a better term here, when he was 12. He dropped out of school in the ninth grade. He was already getting ass. Why go?

Shit. Who cares? Comes in in a robe with a pipe in his mouth one day going gentlemen do you know what's out there i'm banging 40 year olds why are we here it's wonderful he puffs have a good day it's very warm and wet i have to leave his friends are like he's wearing slippers he's got slippers on this is crazy i think he had initials on the toe. It's weird. He's really monogrammed. So he drops out in the ninth grade. He joins the Marine Corps in 1961.

So joins the Marines. Kind of a bad time to join the Marines because in a couple of years, they're going to be the ones who are first people to go to Vietnam. So maybe not the best foresight there. He marries a woman right after boot camp. Does Marine Camp. And this 61, this is like how you do life. Your name is Gary. And you go to boot camp.

And when you're done with boot camp, you marry your high school sweetheart. He doesn't have a high school sweetheart because he didn't go to high school. You marry your teenage sweetheart. And then she gets base housing and all that shit. And that's how it works. You get a white picket fence. You knock her up and you jump on a bomber all the way to vietnam you knock her up you drink every night you hit her when she does shit that doesn't you don't like she never says anything about it the kids grow up thinking that they don't know why mom and dad go

in the room and yell quietly in a weird way they hear banging sometimes but they'll figure it out when they're 40 in therapy this is what happened in 1961 that was life and then when you had postpartum they'd say cheer up bitch i don't know what to tell you not a good time to be anybody it was say a woman or a man it was a terrible time to be anybody mainly a woman or your husband will beat you yeah cheer up bitch and then he'd give you the back of his hand you're like're like, doctor. He's like, what? That didn't work? I don't know. Clearly you're not getting it at home.

Maybe if you cooked something, maybe that would help. Maybe if you threw something in the oven and had it ready. Maybe you'd have it ready by the time your husband got home. Then maybe you'd feel better about yourself. You know what I mean? Also, you could drop a couple pounds. You know what I'm talking about? All right.

Pats her on the ass. Have a good one. She's like, that was a doctor. Tear it on up. I just paid him for that. What the fuck is going on in this world? I just paid to be verbally abused and then sexually assaulted. And then sexually assaulted.

Yeah. Thanks, doc. Appreciate you on the co-pay. And she has to tell all her friends, oh, he's the best. He's so good. He's gentle. Very gentle. Not even a red mark.

Not a good time to be a woman, exactly. He marries a woman named Tanya Ann Tatum. So Gary Lee Davis and Tanya Ann Tatum here. And they have two sons out of this relationship because obviously he's a guy that should be guiding young lives. It sounds like already. Now, he shipped out to Okinawa eventually, stationed over there. And this is when his relationship with Tanya starts to falter because he is really jealous. Really?

Excessively, excessively jealous. He suspects that Tanya is cheating on him because he's in Okinawa. And who knows? So he begins drinking heavily while he's over there. Just in terms of, I mean, a lot of guys started drinking in the military. And he's coping, too, on top of that and all that. But he drinks real hard to the point where 1961 Marines go, that's too much drinking, which is a lot of drinking. Guys with a whiskey drip are like, fuck's wrong with you, bro.

Yeah, that's what I mean. They're like, he needs help. I mean, we's wrong with you. Yeah, that's what I mean. Like, he needs help. I mean, we're all drunks and everything, but that guy needs help. You know, so even the Marines said, no, you're a little messed up here. So apparently he was drunk and running around base. They're talking about bayonetting one of his officers. So at that point, they they said let's get you in and sit you down and have a chat with somebody and they diagnosed him as having homicidal

tendencies and quote emotional and unstable personality with schizoid trends that's a guy i want vietnam that's uh that's not a guy they wanted in the marines though they're like you can uh you can go now you sir yeah you know they're certainly fuck off out of here yeah we don't we don't want to be responsible for whatever you do no and uh which was probably good he's you know he's gonna kill a bunch of people yeah he's gonna asterisk hard after that or he's gonna cause people to want to asterisk either one so they discharge him medically and he's sent home so that that can't be, you know, very. I got sent home because I'm a drunk who threatens to bayonet commanding officers.

I'm a drunk with homicidal tendencies. Yeah. I've been labeled too homicidal for the Marine Corps, whose only job is to kill people. Right. Literally stated their fucking mission statement is super set at the top of the kill people. Yeah, that's it. Don't build shit. No, don't.

Don't fix shit. And we're not saying anything out of turn. They're all nodding their heads. They're listening. Now they're going. Yeah, that's what we do. That's the business model. That's the business plan.

Tell them all. God sort them out. That was one of the fucking. If there was a from full metal jacket, I think it is. But it was on one of their helmets. Yeah, it's an old thing. It's for real. Probably from the. They had it is, but it was on one of their helmets. But it's an old thing, I'm sure. It's for real.

It's probably from the World War I, for Christ's sake. Because they fucking said it. Yeah, but I mean, in the Marine Corps meeting, they were like, well, I mean, what's our objectives here? Kill people. Okay, then what? Did I give you a gun? We just walk away. All right.

Do we not, like, clean them up or do anything like that? God, no. No. Jesus, no. What if we need, like, a place to hang out in? Do you hear me? Do we build that? No, we kill them. We kill them. If if we need a place to hang out in? Do you hear me? Do we build that? No, we kill them.

If they show up and build, people show up and build, do we kill them? Maybe. Maybe. Possibly. Depends on the uniform. We're just killing people. So too homicidal for them. That's the perspective we want to give you of how nuts he is.

They want a little nuts, I'm sure, but not quite that nuts. Now, he would say later on, he comes home and he starts working as a cook, as a meat cutter, starts working in a factory, whatever menial job he can get, whatever entry level job he can get. He's unemployed a lot. Also, he has a bunch of car accidents. He has an industrial accident where he hurts himself. He drinks. That's the thing. He's hammered all the time.

He gets a couple DUIs during the 60s. Also, urinating in public charge. That's a fun one. And back then, if you got caught once, it's like roaches. You did it thousands of times. Oh, a thousand. You're pissing everywhere. Are you kidding me?

His pee is just like a river flowing down the street, I'm sure. It is flammable. So his wife leaves him and takes the kids at this rate because he's just a mess and he's unemployed. He's an alcoholic. He's pissing in the streets. It's a disaster. They're fearing Asterix and they're just going to leave.

So he says later on, he claims that this is really why the marriage failed. It wasn't because I was an unemployable drunk. That's not why. It actually failed because I was traveling around the country as a highly paid male stripper. So he tells his friends that. She couldn't handle it, obviously, because I'm a sexy guy, Jimmy.

That's what it is. Gary, sorry. I'm sorry, Gary. How does Gary land on that? I'm a very sexy guy, Gary. But he did at one point in the late 60s this is so weird he worked as part of a nightclub comedy act they're not like a stand-up but like a sketch i guess type thing improv shit i suppose he played a go-go dancer in drag what the fuck so he played like

he i'm sure he had like the little 60s go-go dress and the high boots. John Candy with the fruit on his hat and shit. Do you remember that? John Candy with the fruit on his hat. John Candy. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I'm talking about. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

From the fucking HBO show. I'm thinking the go-go dancer is probably the short skirt with the high boots. Or the short shorts. You know, the high boots that the go-go dance in the 60s were all. That's what he was dressed as. Yeah, so he did that. But he, which means he's got like a, he's not a real stiff.

No. He's not like a prude. He knows how to be fun. Yeah, he's not a prude. Any guy in the 60s who will put a dress on and go on stage and dance around to do that, they're more loose than most guys. Most guys aren't putting a damn dress on.

So, you know, he's got some sort of whatever. But, you know, the fact that his marriage fell apart because he's a highly paid traveling male stripper seems a little on the... That's a wild story. It is wild. Now, on the other hand, it does make sense that he will whip his cock out at a moment's notice. He doesn't care. So there is that. He said, quote, when I got older, early 20s,

I found myself going around showing myself to women wherever I could. I'd show myself, and after the woman would see me, I'd find somewhere to jerk off. So that was his whole deal. Oh, that's very illegal. You can't just whip your cock out and start jerking at people. He said, at this time, I had a beautiful wife at home, but I needed the excitement in my life. What the fuck?

So he's messed up. Yeah. He's got an issue. Clearly, that's kind of bubbling up. He's sexually oriented, too. That's fucking crazy. He's got a weird shit. Now, 1970, he is convicted for grand larceny in Kansas.

And in 1971, he's convicted for burglary in Kansas. So he's starting to, you know, his unemployment possibly is causing him to steal shit. And probably alcoholism isn't helping. And I'm sure whipping your dick out isn't. I don't know how that would hurt, but it's not helping. It's occupying your time that you could be putting in applications. If you're thinking about who should I whip my dick out and show when you should be applying for jobs it's a good point jimmy i think you got inside his psyche there for a minute it's certainly slowing your fucking productivity well if you have an application

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finds another woman to marry, Leona Coates. married at the time they're married he is 30 and she is 17 so what the fuck that's weird yeah that's super weird i don't care if you're 19 it's weird to marry a 70 or 17 year old where is your anything where's your grandma i don't give a shit. Where's your aunt? Where's somebody? Where's your older sister to say no? Anybody to say don't marry this 30-year-old guy who got kicked out of the Marine Corps for being too homicidal and pees everywhere. Where's the judge going? I'm not signing this.

I will not. I can't do it. 17. This was Kansas, though, so I'm sure she was an old maid there. It's too late. You should have a couple of kids by now, shouldn't you? Let's get going here. What's going on, loser?

She gets right on that because in the next few years, they're going to have four kids. They're going to pump out four kids in a matter of very, very little time, a matter of four or five years. So that's a lot of kids. years so that is uh that's a lot of kids so uh now later on davis here gary is going to claim that leona was pregnant when he met her okay he says they're pregnant when he met her and that he shouldn't have married her it was it was quote a big mistake and he stayed with her because jesus christ this uh you just know this guy from come on virginia come to me with the piss and then this i stayed with her because quote she kept shelling out kids uh so yeah that's you dude she's they don't appear at her womb magically she's not the virgin mary

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Just a soft-hearted guy. Soft-hearted, hard cock. I got a soft heart, but my cock is rock hard. That's his motto. Gary, soft heart, hard cock. It's written on the back of his jacket. Vote forary yeah written on his jacket and duct tape vote for gary gary 2020 soft heart hard cock thumb up big smile big smile so 1979 comes around here and he is gets in a little bit of trouble and he should have gotten in more trouble. I feel like this is the type of thing that back then was taken less seriously.

And I feel like now I hope would be taken more seriously. I don't know. But he there's a convenience store in Baca County. I think it's in Kansas. I think it's in Kansas. And he lures a young female clerk out of the store who works there, saying that he needed help with the ice machines that are outside at those rural gas stations. And he grabbed a fucking padlock on it. Yeah, you tell him. And so he says he needed help with the ice machine.

She gets outside. Once she gets outside, he holds a knife to her neck and drags her into an alley. So this is terrible. Okay. She struggles and escapes, getting minor cuts to her hand and her throat in the struggle. She escapes and gets away. He's charged with menacing. What?

Which is a felony. But menacing, I don't think, covers it. This is not menacing. No, no, no. Menacing would be like if he went and cut her car tire and then kicked her window out and smacked her in the face. Left a creepy note. Yeah, grabbed a boob and ran away or something lightly.

I don't know. That's still sexual assault. But menacing, this is... Is that attempted murder? I would call this attempted... Robbery? That's the thing. I'd say attempted kidnapping. Armed robbery at minimum yeah he didn't take anything but it's certainly

it's absolutely kidnapping she didn't want to go in an alley from somewhere to another against her will that's kidnapping i think that's absolutely kidnapping that's kidnapping with the fucking deadly weapon with yeah with to a woman's throat for christ's sake one slip he could have killed listen i'm not a cop or a lawyer but that sounds like it sounds like he tried to drag it's a it's just basic english attempted kidnap he attempted to get if you watch that play out you go that guy tried to kidnap her he attempted to kidnap her lucky for her she got away i would say that is kidnapping because he moved her from location to location she just happened to get free before he got her to the other one her than him yeah that's so that's credit her not him so anyway uh he's arrested and apparently i don't know what he was he might have initially been arrested for

kidnapping or something like that but he eventually pleads guilty so that's going to be always usually a lesser charge it's still a felony but it's felony menacing so he basically it's nothing it's a probation type thing it goes to jail for a month or some shit, but it's felony menacing. So basically, it's nothing. It's a probation type thing. It goes to jail for a month or some shit like that. It's not anything that puts him off the street for a while or forces him into counseling or anything like that. Of course, it's 1979, so I don't know how good that would have been anyway. But in 1982, it escalates here.

This time, there's a 15-year-old girl who is the daughter of one of Leona's friends. So this is the daughter of one of his wife's friends. He claimed the girl only—this is for sexual assault. He's arrested. He claims the girl only reported him because he promised her $300 for sex, and then they had had sex and then he didn't give her $300. So then she reported him. Either way, you had sex with a 15 year old. She's not reporting

theft of services. She's reporting that you fucked a 15 year old. She's reporting that you fucked children, sir, and you did that. So apparently she's saying it was against her will because he didn't pay her the uh promise she's not allowed to agree no she's not allowed a she just can't even enter into a legal contract at that age and b especially one for payment for sex i feel like especially not that that's probably first on the list of shit you're not allowed to

enter into it's a pretty bad defense it's a bad defense yeah uh he uh uh the girl the prosecutors though say that davis uh pulled a knife on her and raped her that's what the prosecutors say and he goes she was all up for it for 300 bucks because he's drunk 300 bucks it was fine but then i say no money and then gary's not good anymore i don't think so ask her if she came that's her that's to clear it up ask her if i was good i'll be going now i'll see you guys later i'm gonna go home i'm gonna go home there's a so this time this is a sexual assault. He's charged with first degree sexual assault. He enters a guilty plea for this and manages a plea bargain here. This is crazy.

He somehow pulls out a plea bargain where it's an eight year sentence for sexual assault, which means that he could be out of prison in less than four years with uh you know good behavior and no no fuckery in jail so uh this is you know this is nothing he's escalated he pulled a girl in with a knife and now there's this and if it goes if it happened the way the girl said he raped a 15 year old girl at knife point that's terrible which is as bad as you can be i mean that's that's awful here uh so uh corrections officers while he's in prison say he's a model prisoner yeah say he kept to himself he even you know he earned the privileges and all that he went through uh he did all the alcohol treatment programs they had available and uh all that sort of thing he said you know everything was everything was uh he was a model citizen there,

they called him. He began to really get into the pen pal scene here. As you know from the Prisoner Dating Game here, they have certain pitches. Listen to the Prisoner Dating Game bonus episode. It's in the feed. They're good on it. They have pitches to reel you in.

And he begins to find a bunch of female pen pals. He's good at this shit. There's a day in prison here where one of his fellow inmates gives him a woman's address. A woman named Rebecca Fincham, who is a lonely woman. She is described as a lonely woman who answered this other inmate's personal ad in a newspaper. So that's really lonely. She's answering personal ads of inmates in the newspaper so uh davis here gary begins to also write her now she wrote back rebecca fincham writes back says you know i have two young daughters and uh uh she uh she has an she's married to a drunk and she's unhappy and blah, blah, blah.

He's given her the she's she's she's using him as a sounding board. Right. And he's using her as he's not going anywhere. He's not going anywhere. So this for a while. That's the thing he and he said, you know, and he would say, oh, that's really terrible. And they would have nice conversations back and forth after a few letters in one in one of the paragraphs she just says do you miss sex out of nowhere so this being in prison oh boy he says no the guy

i'm in a cell with his hot stuff i'm telling you he says it i'm having more more now than ever oh miss it hell no i'm at i'm at a lube i run out i'm in my prom i have to pick up extra jobs just for lube money that's where i'm at right now so uh he says that uh uh yes obviously he missed it and uh so they go things go from there to very things turn just insanely sexual with their letters from that it goes from yeah your marriage and my dad's this and that too i'm you know gonna do terrible things so sexually explicit letters let's say here so uh i go to the church of christ my husband's drunk do you ever eat asshole do you ever do that wanna do that because uh you're gonna because i love it i like it well we find out about rebecca fincham here uh her and her husband apparently her husband, apparently, her husband was in the army, and they were stationed in

West Germany, and they were involved in a bunch of wife swapping over there and shit like that. I mean, it was the 70s, and that was kind of a thing. Don't do that. But their wife swapping, and the husband always said it was her idea. This wasn't his idea this is what she wanted wow this uh rebecca fincham and uh apparently she got back to the united states and she had she was telling him uh she was telling gary about all of her sex toys that she has and

uh all sorts of shit like that and nowadays big deal women have sex toy parties where they come over and they're like look at this great dildo i'm gonna parties where they come over and they're like, look at this great dildo. I'm going to stick it in my twat later. And they're like, awesome. I want to stick it in my... It's crazy. It's the weirdest thing. Look at this one.

It vibrates and twists. Guys don't get together with their pocket whatevers and they're like, look at this. I don't want you to know what I got. No, no. These women are very open about it,

which is fine. Gay, you know, make yourself, get yourself off. Have you ever seen a thruster? Go crew. That is impressive. Go crew.

They hook shit up to power tools now. They don't give a fuck there's a whole thing there are things that will fuck a woman and she can do it hands free oh yeah you don't have to touch it it's crazy it's a big market we'll just say in 1982 yeah not that way at all it was just the white hard one and and it was sold as a shoulder massager and like the medical section of a drugstore yeah literally that's what it was you couldn't go on you know just a website and order a bunch of dill this one's got a clit oh this is better this will tickle me no this was just very basic yeah so she's got a bunch of european kinky sex shit going on here so she's telling him about that and he's like fuck yeah gary's in

jail going this is great he's telling people i got this kinky ass woman on the outside she's wife swapping and she's got sex toys and all this cool shit he's like this is pretty fucking awesome uh he was psyched about this he's like this is my woman oh boy i want her uh but then she came and started visiting him oh and he said that she uh did not live up to what he wanted and he said that uh he did not like her at all once she showed up he describes her as obese yeah and seeming to be missing her eyebrows oh so i don't know what i don't know uh i mean why like yeah shaved off or tattooed or what's going down uh yeah i'm not i'm not i don't know what's going on here she also had scars all over her arms yeah and uh she's told her that they were a result of an assault that it happened to her on an army base

years before so we don't know what happened there. He said that he thought she was repulsive and said, quote, he was, quote, scared of her because she was so overweight. Which, relax, dude. Chill out, dude. Chill the fuck out. So scared of her because she said, what are you scared of? Idiot. He's scared of her pussy might be bigger. Oh, God. Look at it it jesus it's right in

your face i prefer a 15 year old girl against her will you're fucking kidding me at least she's an adult and willing you asshole who cares so god damn it people are assholes. So he, but for him, for a guy in prison, this is great. He gets crazy, you know, sex, sex letters. She bought him a TV for prison. She's buying him. She's buying him all sorts of shit. She gets a divorce while he's in there. Well, a divorce while he's in there.

She visits him every weekend. She brings her daughters with her. Oh, no. Oh, yeah. She gives him about 20 bucks a week to put in his you know account so he can fucking have some shit in prison yeah she's taking care of him basically and 20 bucks in prison in 1982 is a lot of money so she's taking care of him big time and and he's like this is great i mean i gotta hang on to her at least for prison doesn't matter if

i'm attracted to her or not this is everything i need in prison uh but uh during one day day in 1984 she comes to visit and he asks her to marry him i don't know what that's about she wants to marry him so she says yes and so they're married over the phone by a minister so that's how that works that is prestigious and oh yeah and at that point her daughters begin calling him daddy from prison why would you do it call you call this guy when he calls collect to make sure you say okay daddy i'll accept the charges what the fuck are you doing no oh my god uh so uh good lord her poor woman that's what i mean so not long after this, another inmate who, because, you know, the inmates see each other during visits. A lot of people meet people from the outside during visits from other people. Because that's the only time they get to run into them.

Yeah. And the people who are coming to visit are interested in prisoners. So that's how it works. Apparently, they get married. so that's how it works apparently uh not they get married and pretty soon after that another inmate becomes interested one of his inmate people that he's locked up with becomes interested in rebecca fincham's 13 year old daughter no no no no no no and asked davis if he could write to her fuck no you cannot neither he nor the mother have any objections to this what is going on absolutely oh jesus

you convicted criminal please write to my 13 year old daughter because i'm sure this is all on the up and up he won't corrupt her or anything this will be great so uh there's just terrible this this whole story is just terrible parenting this is just such bad decisions awful so uh becky even sent uh sent a package here uh becky sent a package this is rebecca fincham she sends a package here that has a topless photo of herself yeah for gary good lord because that's just what he wants yeah uh and a a uh scantily clad semi-nude picture of her 13 year old daughter for the inmate. No. To jerk off to.

No. Disgusting. What is she doing? Thankfully, the photos were intercepted by prison officials who said, you piece of shit asshole scumbag. Yeah. Is this a 13-year-old? Guess what?

You're arrested for sexual exploitation of a minor, you fucking idiot. The mom got arrested. The mom got arrested for sending almost nude pictures of her daughter to prisoners. Good. You can't do that. Good. She's charged with sexual exploitation of a minor.

Her visiting privileges are revoked. Yeah. And she ends up being put on three years of probation. Wow. So they make a big deal out of it. Good. It should have been a bigger deal. Yeah, yeah.

They should have... I don't know if you can, like, slam somebody's arm in a car door as a but that seems like the type of offense where it's like how do we how do we make this stop fucking head what a jerk off so uh they would talk on the phone after that glenn and becky here rebecca they talked on the phone to keep it going uh there was a game they they they had here where glenn said the game involved uh fincham uh trying to act out fantasies that he requested her to do he would tell he would tell her shit to do bend over the bed yeah so from behind no no no different shit than that what and uh uh also these are all on a prison phone so yeah god knows who is listening to your

tugging they don't give a shit i think that made it more for them uh so a jesus christ someone later on who interviews uh this i love this a psychologist said this later on who interviewed gary he says quote mr davis indicated that he would like her to, quote, give head. There's a picture of this from a guy with tweed going on. Ms. Fincham then brought a male named Jay into the house and did this while the telephone receiver was off

the hook so that Mr. Davis could hear. Get the fuck... She blew a dude. She blew a dude on the... Hold on. Take your pants off. Jay, come here. Hold on. Take your pants off. Jay, come here. Hold on. What? I'm going to get my incarcerated husband on the phone.

Take your pants off. Okay, good. Hold on. You there, honey? Okay. You got your dick out? Okay. I'm going to start.

Here we go. Everybody ready? Okay. Then you go, no. What the hell is going on here? No. Couldn't you... I mean, at that point, point you could just theater of the mind

just be like i'm blowing him good yeah who knows switch some water around your mouth a little bit spit it on the floor but you hear it splash there was so much gobs of it jesus christ i almost drowned it was terrible okay i'm gonna get going now what is happening i'm gonna get going now she has a funny she's a johnny cars funny carson's a waffle of fake dicks can't yeah no no well he doesn't want her to use those he needs real semen in her mouth uh apparently my christ uh then mr davis reports that he had never met a woman who would say and do these kinds of things and that he found this very amazing. Yeah, because that's not normal. Listen, it's 2019. I'm fucking amazed too, man.

Yeah, this was in 1985. I'm tripped out now by that. I'm fucking blown away. This is wild. How do you think Jay felt? Yeah, Jay must have been like, this is so weird and kinky. This is bananas.

Do you think she told him ahead of time what was up or do you think she got him there and was like, shut up, I you what do you care who's on the phone and once his dick was out he was like i guess i don't know what do you care he's like i guess he's like no she's like no one's in the room no one can see you he's like i suppose i don't know jay i'm blowing you there's gonna be more going on you just need to know i'm blowing you eyes closed dick out let's do this pal so uh yeah from time to time let out a grunt so they know it's you so according to gary here jesus with the psychologist uh becky also described scenarios to him over the phone in lower detail. These are imaginary scenarios about picking up and seducing men who look like Gary for some reason.

I don't know what that would help. Picking up a woman at a lesbian bar and having sex with a female friend while the friend's husband watched. And also she had fantasies of being raped by a prison guard for some reason. I don't know what that was. And they would go over these fantasies on the phone and she would tell him that. And so, yeah, they were they had really cooking up this crazy fantasy sexual relationship with phone blow jobs and all sorts of weird shit so he's paroled on july 22nd 1985 yeah so he's out oh boy and uh now he's a convicted sexual assaulter and she's got young daughters at home she's also a convicted sexual assaulter yeah yeah but she

in order for him to he can't live at her residence on parole for this with her daughters there. So she sends her daughters out of state to live with her parents. She sends her children away to keep this dirt bag in the house. She chose him. I would say. Jesus Christ. Hardcore. First, she chose him when she sent a picture to prison of her daughter.

And so they're both under court supervision. So he had to, you know, not try to rape any teenagers or anything like that that's a that's a problem here uh they get a job uh in colorado managing a an apartment complex in aurora it's an apartment house in aurora oh my god these are the people that get a job managing the storage facility we talked about it's a big storage building that Those people live in behind the office. Oh, it's so creepy. This is the couple that lives behind the office, because who the hell else would do that? They have nowhere to go.

You know when you go get your shit out of storage and you got to talk to people that work there? Those fucking people live there. Did we not talk about that on the show? No. We talked about it while we were driving. Okay. Where were we going?

I don't know. It was Columbus to Cleveland. Right. Yeah. There's those storage. You self-storage and all that right and you go in and you pay your bill or whatever and there's you have to like wait a minute for somebody to meander out of the back in a bathrobe right they have a bathrobe on because they live there they live in the back behind the office with all the room with the all the surveillance monitors behind there these people have a sad, sad air mattress that they keep on the floor.

And a fucking toilet that looks terrible. It's stained. Because they're both these people. Right. Sexual assaulting weirdos. Jesus Christ. I forgot. I thought we talked about that on the show.

And they live like that. Like, that's their... Oh, boy. My God. So they're managing an apartment house, so that's their oh boy my god so uh uh they're managing an apartment house so that's okay uh gary doesn't drink as hard right now he's chilling out on the on the drinking a little bit but he also is physically uh just disgusted by his wife here becky he's still like that he still hasn't just said hey she's nice to me you know she's willing to blow guys on the phone for my entertainment let's go on the extra mile chief you should just

just fucking be happy with what you got here and she i mean she didn't come to you as like a fucking supermodel and then just sat and no twinkies down you know what she was yeah she had no eyebrows when you met her right that's what happened eyebrows were sans eyebrows they're not gonna grow back because of your love it's not going to happen so and if she's a bigger girl when you met her and she's still bigger then you can't be disgusted well let's see what he said he said quote that's you saying this is almost like a direct a direct response to what you said he said quote i thought when i married becky that i could overlook her being so fat so okay uh she said he, quote, she had a place for me to come out to.

And I knew I would not be lonely. But I was wrong. I was lonely even with her. I took up drinking again to fill the empty void in my life. I also drank to have the stomach to touch that fat broad. Wow. That's what he said. That is his quote.

He thinks he's better than her. He's a real nice guy. Oh, he thinks he's better than her he's a real nice guy oh he thinks he's way better than unreal he thinks i have to really work at it to be able to touch you because you're gross you raped a 15 year old at knife point you idiot but i can still look down at people jimmy that's no no but but she's physically unattractive you know that's his thought you is repulsive i wouldn't care if this motherfucker looks like brad pitt yeah he's a piece of shit i would say so so uh yeah he's this is awful he says that uh uh quote yes i was impotent while drinking and around becky toward our last months together to be blunt it was damn hard to even get a hard-on when becky would give me a blow job i just didn't have any feelings for her so he's also shit-faced drunk and just a bad person yeah i think that helps too

yeah sorry karma will keep hard-ons from you i think maybe that's what it is possibly i'm not sure so uh it's at this point that he starts getting interested in a woman that lives in the apartment house, a female tenant who he thought was hot and he wanted her. And he told a buddy of his, he goes, see that girl over there? You know what I'd like to do? And normally this is, yeah, man, I'd like to whatever. And they say some shit. This is, I've never heard anyone say to me because I would do something i don't know what because i'd be so shocked by it but he said see

that girl i really want a drug and raper he said that tell that to another person what those are thoughts you keep to yourself if you have you don't tell other because 99.9 of the people you tell are not going to go fuck yeah they're going're not going to be like, I was thinking the same. Most people are going to go, what the fuck did you just say? One more time? Or they're going to go, okay,

and they're never going to talk to you again. Excuse me, I got to go make a phone call. Yeah. To the fucking, did you just drug and rape her? That's what he said, I'd like to drug and rape her. You may as well just tell me,

I'm going to skin and wear her. Yeah, I'm going to wear her like a new coat, I think. That's what I'm going to do. It's terrible. Jesus. So at this point, his wife here, Becky, becomes suspicious of him and says that he wants to know where he is and all this sort of thing.

She also would start... It's really weird. She told him that she would make him dye his hair different colors all the time and she said and uh he said quote i think it made her feel like she was out with someone different all the time yeah this is like a guy making a chick put wigs on or some shit it's weird she likes sex with with different dudes that's just her thing it's exciting to her that's for her fucking you got a woman who wants to fuck all the time. Play along.

Just do it, dude. I mean, you're gross, too. You're a terrible man. You're all awful. So everyone is awful, everyone, okay? So they do end up getting fired and booted out of the apartment house after about six months.

They're accused of stealing from tenants, taking money for services and repairs that they didn't do. You know, they were lying and drinking and also talking about weird sex shit Stealing from tenants, taking money for services and repairs that they didn't do. You know, they were lying and drinking and also talking about weird sex shit to tenants and stuff like that. Oh, Jesus. You know, people were complaining, basically. So Becky ends up. Jesus. A lot of refrigerators.

Do you know what Gary did to me last night? Let me tell you something. So now Becky answers the ad for a ranch hand, and there's conflicting reports of whether Virginia met them at church and got them the job or they got the job and then met Virginia at church. We're not sure, but either way it happened. One happened on a Saturday and the next day was Sunday or vice versa. So they all happened so close it really doesn't matter either way uh so uh any either way to get the job on this ranch they faked a resume that

claimed they'd been married for 16 years and had extensive farm experience so the whole 16 years all we've been doing is farming and ranching i worked for joe farmer i am i know farming so this is all a lie, obviously. Neither of them do shit. So they get the job. They go to Byers. And they get there. And this is a small little church town with ranchers.

And things are spread out. Not real big in the kinky sex scene. Not a lot of wife swapping happening and shit like that around here. So Davis would have to go in to stare at other women. And he to go in and to stare at other women he'd go into town and look at other women and becky would come with him and uh while they were out looking at women they would talk about kidnapping women and turning them into sex slaves this is like their thing that they some couples talk about what are we going to do with the yard that flower bed out front i was thinking this or you know we should really change this out about the house

or what do you think about patio furniture the chick that was looking at tomatoes looks good that's we should turn her into a sex slave while holding her against her will that's what the fuck not normal uh so in in may of 86 they go to a store in fort morgan and they and they buy a 22 caliber semi-automatic rifle here now he's on parole so he's not supposed to have it but nobody gives a shit yeah nobody cares she's on probation he's on parole nobody gives a shit it's a big shoulder shrug from this whole thing she might she might be off probation by now because it was like 83 84 this is 86 so not positive so uh he said too if anybody asks what we have the rifle for just say we live on a

ranch there's a ton of snakes around there which there are say it's a 22 rifle for snake shooting in case around the house okay which they all have 22 rifles for shooting snakes around there apparently now meanwhile back at the ranch literally yeah here uh so it's it's gary and becky living on the ranch next to the the virginia and her husband gary may uh them uh so they get the they're at the ranch and uh in this one in the in the court document i love this it says quote their sexual relationship failed to improve after davis took the ranch hand job which is strange because it's a known fact that nothing gets an old marriage back on track like some hard ranching everyone knows you walk in with that smell of shit and it's an aphrodisiac and next thing you know candles are lit and bathtubs are being

filled and it's just bros pedals and i mean when you when you light candles to to to drown out the shit smell it's it's it's bound to get the pussy going. Yeah, that's what happens. It's bound to get the pussy going. Now, when you do that, it's bound to get the pussy going. Just an old man telling you that. Also, they began renting porn movies, videos back then, obviously. So they were going into that little saloon doors and a little curtain into the back of the video store the green curtain yeah and they would cruise around

looking for quote a pretty girl that's what they were doing so uh they drove around fort morgan looking for women and at one point uh they uh they said they were going to pick them up and and we should keep them as sex slaves and all that sort of shit july 18th 1986 as we know with all these type of people too not all these type of people but people who end up following through on crazy shit like this fantasies escalate they get more deeper and more and uh yeah july 18th 1986 there's a woman named uh tammy boprez she lives on a farm about 10 miles outside of Wiggins, Colorado. She's visited by a man and a woman together driving

a green four-door sedan with Kansas license plates. And the car pulls into her driveway. The woman in the car asks directions to Byers, Colorado, and asks this woman if her husband's home, which is an odd question. What do you need exactly?

Like help pick lifting something or like directions? Where I'm going. And then also, are you alone? Are you vulnerable? Are you vulnerable right now? So at one point, Tammy Boprez stood next to the car and the man in the car apparently got out and maneuvered himself what she said into a position behind her uh so it's at this point that her husband came out of

the house hell yeah and once he came out of the house this guy in the car who is gary davis uh popped back in the car and said thanks for the directions have a good one yeah they fucking peeled out quickly with a cloud of dust behind them and they are they do end up saying from the license plate and everything it's becky and gary davis here so the next the next monday here this is the last week of parole for gary so he's celebrating no more parole here and as they're celebrating uh becky davis calls sue mcclellan, who is Virginia's sister-in-law, as one of the ladies that he would make sexually explicit comments about to the other ranch hands. And asks her, just calls her up and says, is your husband home? Which I guess if she wants to talk to him, that would make sense. But otherwise, who cares?

So Sue McClellan answered that he's not home. So Sue McLennan answered that he's not home. So Becky offers to come by and drop off some used clothes, which might be of use to her children. So basically, yeah, this McLennan's got a bunch of kids. She said, well, I have a bunch of used kids clothes for my little girls. I was going to throw them out or give them to Goodwill or whatever. If you want them, I'll drop them off here. And so she says, all right, I guess, you know, what the hell. So they leave the house.

They go over to Sue's house. No children's clothes anywhere in sight, obviously. You know, they do have a rifle, but they don't have any kids clothes. That's a different. They pull into her driveway and they at that point see that there's a ranch hand there, a guy, a male ranch hand. And at that point, Becky says to Beckycky says to sue quote i thought your husband wasn't home and she said no that's a ranch hand whatever but he hangs out and stays nearby so they just sit by stew by sue uh becky drinks iced tea with sue for a couple minutes gary stays in the

car uh but becky and and sue shoot the shit i don't know what her excuse for i didn't bring those clothes that i called you and said i was going to bring i don't know what she pulled out of her ass for that but they drank some iced tea so very polite so after that they get in the car and they say you know what we damn it we we were going to kidnap them this fucking sue but that damn ranch hand was there so never mind let's take off okay so they leave now uh sometime that day between 6 20 and 7 o'clock p.m they drive to the may residence virginia and gary may and uh earlier becky called virginia and said uh hey i have some children's clothes you might want you know i was gonna donate them but if you want them i'll bring

them i can bring them over to you and virginia said yeah sure so uh the davis's of gary and becky got into the drive over to the house here virginia may comes out of the house to greet them how's it going hi very friendly she has her four-year-old daughter krista with her oh boy uh yeah becky davis gets out of the car and uh uh walks with virginia uh around the side of the tool shed they have and then gary drove his car down to the shed and got out and uh it's at that point before they do this by the way uh they take krista becky ends up going oh gets krista some ruse to get Krista to run back in the house. So Krista does not go with them, the four-year-old. This is just Virginia and Becky walk along to the side of the tool shed.

Gary drives his car over to the tool shed also. It's at this point here. Meanwhile, back at the ranch and take you out back to the tool shed. It's all working into this. It's all coming into here so gary then gets out of the car and punches virginia in the face and drags her into the car okay meanwhile uh becky at that point had gone around to make sure krista stayed in the house the child here uh so once the kids inside and everything like that they uh gary and becky take virginia away in the car and

drive away okay this is not a good plan so uh becky davis is driving and uh apparently he was holding gary was in the back holding virginia down and god knows what else he was doing to her who knows here so uh they end up going to a secluded area out in the middle of nowhere. Now, in the car, he has taken her clothes off in the car. They end up dragging. He drags her out of the car by a rope tied around her neck. Oh, Jesus. He's done her.

This is how fucking awful he is. And this next minute is going to be shitty. So it's bad. If you don't like, you know, if you're if you're sensitive, fast forward a minute. This is bananas. This is horrible. We'll get through it as quick as possible. But leads her out by a rope and is threatening her with a knife also, as if the rope wasn't enough here.

And now he, at this point, they're not positive of the level of sexual assault. Because like a lot of this type of guy who does these type of crimes, we don't know if he could perform or not. Well, this is a lot of times it'll happen, and then they get angry at the fucking woman because they're impotent. So it's fucking insane. So then he's just vicious about things. Exactly.

And he knew that was going to happen to begin with, and that's why this is going on. So it wasn't like he was like, I thought it would work, like, whatever. So it's at this point, we don't know if he ever accomplished what he was going for, but it's at this point we don't know if he ever accomplished what he what he was going for but it's at this point he then forces her uh virginia at knife point to go down on becky oh jesus yeah at knife point with a rope around her neck to go down on his wife here uh with no

eyebrows with horrible saying horrible things horrible yeah this is fucking horrible now uh when i guess this when they were satisfied with whatever they had done with her uh he then strikes her in the head virginia uh if gary hits virginia in the head with the butt of the rifle this was a blow that was hard enough to fracture her skull and cause hemorrhaging so a fucking hard hit to the head. You whacked her. Hit her really hard, but did not knock her unconscious, though. Oh, Jesus.

So it's at this point that he starts shooting her instead. And we know she was conscious because there's gunpowder residue on her hands, indicating that she had her hands up in a defensive gesture, obviously. I shot her several times in the head. By the way, this was after she had begged to be released, offered to pay them money. Said, I'll give you, I have thousands of dollars in cash. I'll give it to you. Just let me go.

All this type of shit. Yeah. So it's at this point that Becky goes, well, is she dead? He's already bashed her head in and shot her. So he just emptied the rifle into her just to make sure. It is shot. Started off in the head, four in the head, a bunch in the torso, and then one down in the crotch area as well.

What? Just to make sure. Just to make sure. Oh, boy. 14 shots in all. 14. As if this woman didn't suffer enough. I don't know that a rifle holds fourteen.

I don't know if he emptied it or what. Is it a seven round mag? He may have had two seven round mags. Maybe. That's terrible. He did fourteen shots. That's how many bullets were recovered here. Yeah.

So then they covered her body, poor Virginia here, with a bale of hay and then went back to the house to pick up to pick up their beer cooler because they still had some beers in it so after you assault a woman and kill her you get thirsty you know it's miller time at that point or coors time it's more likely over here mountains is blue where's the baby what the fuck in the house where'd mom go yeah uh yeah that's the thing uh her husband gets home virginia's husband gary gets home he was at a marketing strategy meeting at the mcclellan ranch they were talking about how to market their ranch wares he gets home about eight o'clock

and he finds his two small children frightened and alone so he's like that's not like virginia to leave the kids here alone for hours and have them be scared so uh he couldn't find he noticed that you know like she does their purses not with her shit like that like where did she go the normal things of when somebody's been taken so uh they he asked his kids where'd mommy go and mommy the one kid said quote becky took her yeah again that's that's pretty what a bad plan yeah so gary he doesn't know if that's true or not or if it's just a kid making shit up because as we've seen the one story the kid said that saw michael jordan michael jordan was here and you know helped my mother dispose of a body or some

shit so you never know honestly kids they just make shit up or they imagine shit so this guy calls his in-laws and then he starts searching for virginia obviously his in-laws are all involved in this right uh immediately everybody focuses on uh gary and becky because you know the kid told her that becky took him and then sue comes up and said yeah earlier in the day they came by asked if my husband was there and then said you know i thought your husband wasn't here then they just drank iced tea and left without leaving any clothes that they said they were going to drop off. So that was weird and suspicious. I just figured maybe they're nuts, but didn't know, you know, if they were dangerous or whatever.

So eventually, the family calls the sheriff's department, and a deputy comes to the scene about 11 o'clock. They take statements from everybody and do an initial look over the Davis residents as well. And they patrol the area also. And they notice lights of a car in the distance. So after they drive up to the vehicle and pull it over and it's the Davis's driving in and they they identify them as the Davis's. They question them. They ask them, do you know anything about Virginia being gone? And they said, God, no, Virginia Davises. They question them. They ask them, do you know anything about Virginia being gone?

And they said, God, no, Virginia's gone. That's terrible. Oh, that poor lady. They were, obviously, everyone was suspicious of them, but they were looking everywhere for him. And they said that he, he says that he, he said that he, Davis, they told him, you know, what happened that night.

And they said, we drank a case of beer. And, you know, that's a lot of beer. Well, he said he drank a case of beer. That's a lot of beer. It's a shitload of beer. And even though the sheriff's deputy said that he seemed sober at the time, he said he drank a case of beer. And and Becky did most of the talking always. Apparently, she was the talker for both of them.

And she told Virginia's father, Becky said, quote, we want to do everything we can to help find your daughter. She then said, quote, I know how you feel. I was once raped myself. Oh, boy. What a piece of shit. Hold on. Who said anything about rape? We don't know where she is.

She could have went somewhere and gotten a car accident and is bleeding in a ditch is bleeding in a ditch somewhere you feel so if someone's gone for four hours you assume they're raped jesus that's rough jesus christ anytime someone's gone for four hours well they must be raped i'm sure by now they've been raped by half the town so wow uh davis here how long does the rape take four or five minutes four five five six five six minutes jesus christ so uh that's another another uh reference so later on at the sheriff's station they bring them in for questioning gary and gary and becky gary insists on being allowed to talk to becky before he would make any statements he said i'll make a statement but i won't do it till after i talk to my wife so they were allowed to have a brief conversation in a small room at the station and uh apparently he said to her quote the game the ball game's over babe and she said quote don't tell him shit

we'll get a lawyer that's what they overheard being said so that's that was what he needed to do so uh they are allowed to leave that night though they won't admit to shit and they don't have shit so they let them leave that night they let. They won't admit to shit, and they don't have shit, so they let them leave that night. They let them go home. Wow, they must have felt like they beat the world at that point. Of course. Yeah, they go home, and obviously, everyone is very suspicious. The relatives are, I'm sure, staring at the house angrily.

So the next morning, a bunch of the relatives came over and started talking. They started questioning. They were like, fuck it. If the police won't do it, we don't need to Mirandize them. We just got questioned. Yeah, I'll pin this motherfucker down and get answers. Either way, we're going to find Virginia. I don't give a shit if it's legal or not.

So they denied any knowledge. They said that Virginia was home when they left to go fishing. They said, yeah, we did see her. We saw her. We stopped by. We saw Krista. We said hi. And then we talked to her outside for a minute, and then we went fishing.

They went fishing. I don't know shit about it. Drank a case of beer. You know how that goes. And Becky, like we said, volunteering her sympathy. She says, I really hope Virginia gets found. She's such a nice lady and all that sort of thing. You've got to find her to tend to her rape.

Oh, yeah. You know, because she's clearly raped it's gonna hurt uh it's so on the basis of all this and they think they're acting very suspicious and they have no alibis and the last people they saw them with were these idiots so they go you know we're gonna arrest you too okay we're just gonna arrest you and see how it goes here so uh it goes pretty fast actually by. By July 23rd, which is like three days later, Gary Davis reaches an agreement with the prosecutors already. Now, this agreement, though, is it all goes very quickly for a reason. They believe that Virginia might still be alive and they're trying to get to her before anything happens to her. So at this point, they picture Virginia like tied up somewhere in the woods and alive.

Like hungry wolves circling a tree. So he says, I'll help you find her if you take the death penalty off the table for anything that may have happened. Just in case. You never know. So they reach a deal with this. He has court-appointed counsel and all of this shit. She might be in need of medical attention. So they allow him to plead guilty and not to seek the death penalty in exchange for this information.

That's what they're going to do. But the problem is they he tells her exactly. He tells them exactly where to go and they find her dead body hidden under bales of hay and they go, you're a fucking liar. You knew she was dead because you killed her and put her there, stupid, and buried her in hay. So the district court, there's a big hearing. They do allow the prosecutor to take that deal off the table. How about that?

And they say, you know what? We'd love to get the death penalty for this guy. We'd love to. They do not go for the death penalty against Becky. Really? Yeah, it's weird. Well, she didn't do it. He did the shooting.

Yeah. Now he'll claim alternately that he did everything and she did nothing and that he did everything because he made her or because she made her, him. So it's all his fault and it's all her fault. He'll say that both ways. And she always says it's his fault. She's not taking. She's not going to take the heat for this no no no and he sort of sometimes does now uh the court found that he knew that virginia was dead when he entered into the plea agreement and that makes it null and void because he was lying so uh at this point he enters a plea of not guilty

because what the fuck does he have to lose? And they do a hundred five member jury thing. And there's a lot of different there's a lot of bickering over the jury, a lot of bickering, like just a complete back and forth. People will talk about one later briefly, but it's a quick just a sea of shit of you don't believe in the death penalty well i might believe in the death penalty well then they get struck and then someone challenges that they get struck because they said they might but it's a pain in the ass we don't need to go into it now uh leona here his second wife yeah uh she states start talking to her they're trying to get background uh she told police investigators at this point when they talked to her that he used to abuse her and drunken rages, tried to coerce her into a menage a trois with another woman and had once pointed a gun at her.

But then later on, she takes it all back and says that the gun was plastic and that he was actually a good husband and a father who just drank too much on the weekends. So he's just a typical 60s guy. What about the threesome? Well, I mean, yeah, he drank too much and would ask for a threesome because he's drunk. But nothing out of the ordinary is what he's saying here. So now his case here, what does he do? He doesn't look good for him here.

He tells his lawyer a bunch of different – the other thing, too, he doesn't have a steady story that he's even he doesn't look good for him here uh he tells his lawyer a bunch of different the other thing too he doesn't have a steady story that he's even telling his lawyer his lawyer is like i don't know how to defend you because you won't tell me shit yeah uh there's a letter to a psychiatrist that the lawyer uh seeks an evaluation of gary and uh in this the lawyer says that his client quote fits the old sexual psychopath standard in the way that he's twisted sexually. And he said there's no question to, quote, whodunit in this thing. And he says that basically sometimes he'll admit it and sometimes he won't. He won't admit it.

And that's it. He says he has admitted the killing and most of the sexual acts to me. And then he takes it back. It's that sort of thing here. So there's one particular juror that i find very interesting this is the only one we'll talk about there's an issue where it's brought up that gary says he's going to claim he was so intoxicated he blacked out and he doesn't know anything about it there's a juror who says uh ab olivius says that this would be an issue for

him because he doesn't think he could vote for the death penalty under these circumstances. He said, I was caught for a DUI and they sentenced me to 36 weeks of therapy, 10 weeks of education and 26 weeks of alcohol therapy. And I learned a lot about alcohol. I don't think I could give the death penalty because I think it's a sickness. And I don't think I could send a sick man to the gas chamber or the electric chair. So he sees it like that. And so they go back and forth and uh they end up striking this juror and even though he says otherwise he's open to it yeah he ends up

stand up striking this juror he says his father died from cirrhosis and you know alcoholism runs in his family it's got to be a sickness all that shit so anyway uh they end up striking him and that's going to be a point of contention later on, obviously. At the time of the trial, Becky Davis by now has divorced him, his wife, Becky, and she's now going by Fincham again. And she does not testify in person. A transcript of her testimony is read to the jury, which is bullshit, I think. That is shitty. That's shitty. A, because you can't cross-examine a testimony.

No, you can't tell that. No, it's terrible. And B, the jury, it's not all what you say. It's how you say it. It's non-verbal shit. We're human beings. Non-verbal is huge. Oh, God.

And you pick up non-verbal big time. Body language, the way words are said, there's sarcasm. There's an eye movement. There's a facial movement. There's a breath you take. There's a pause. How much time eye movement. There's a facial movement. There's a breath you take. There's a pause. How much time between what you say means a lot. Everything is so meaningful and it just doesn't come across on paper.

It's communication. Yeah. I mean, communication is key. It's everything. So, yeah. So he has to testify here. It's against his lawyer's advice. Like, don't testify.

They're going to ask you detailed questions about the horrible things you did to this woman and you're gonna have to answer it you're on trial for one of the worst murders i've ever heard of yeah uh and your biggest witness is a piece of paper so uh let's just pick that apart and if you're convicted we'll beat this shit and all of and her testimony was all all he did he did everything let's beat this on appeal if they get us that's the thing so uh he takes the stand on cross-examination he has to say that he raped he says that he he raped virginia that he was the one who fired all 14 bullets and it was into the body he says uh uh in a statement uh he says later on he'll say quote i'm i'm the guilty one becky was not guilty she was not guilty of murdering jenny may the only thing becky was

guilty of was marrying me so he'll say that and later on he says that she forced him to and went into a rage and all this type of shit so uh now closing arguments come around because we don't really need to go into the details of this. It's pretty fucking clear. Closing arguments. The prosecutor says they say the prosecutor, he goes over his thing and they have a lot of objections to everything he says. I won't go over what he said. I'll just tell you the objections, what they said. The objections were that he improperly described the impact of Virginia's murder on her family, urged the jury to respond to

the defendant's crime with an eye for an eye. I don't like that shit. Denigrated the defendant's exercise of his constitutional rights, improperly asked the jury to sit as the conscience of the community and to send a message, and improperly urged jury to disregard the defendant's plea for mercy. So that's what they're objecting to. Now, his defense. Now, what do you do if you're this guy's defense attorney?

This is a horrible crime, as bad as it comes. And you have to go say, please don't kill him to a bunch of people that would love to strangle them with their bare hands. Can you guys just be nice this one time? Yeah. The defense, he says, Jesus, I don't don't don't envy this guy. He says, quote, now it's my turn to come and ask you for Gary Davis's life. That's what I'm here to do. I'm moved by this case.

It's going to take me a minute to talk to you. I didn't know what I was going to say to you. I couldn't sleep last night. Hell, I couldn't sleep for the last five and I don't think I was alone. There are times in this case that I hate Gary Davis. This is his lawyer. I'm going to tell you that, and I think you know it. There's times that I hate the things he's done, and I've told him, and I'll tell you there's no excuse for it. No excuse at all. I can't recall a case where I've made a closing argument, and I can't recall a case where we have spoken as little as you and we have in this one, and there's a reason for it. The reason is that in December, when I first saw Gary Davis, I knew that sometime or other I was going to be standing here asking for 12 people's mercy.

That's all he's got. That's all we can speak. Jesus Christ. He said, let's get to skip ahead here where he says, if I thought Brandon and Kristen May would have five seconds of peace by Gary's death. Those are her kids, by the way. I would choke the life out of him right now. he knows it yeah it's his lawyer yeah in court i turn around in front of a judge and a bunch of police officers and choke the life out of him but it won't help he says he's got a life sentence he's never ever getting out and he deserves never ever to get out they haven't

even found him guilty yet this is the closing argument in the guilty phase you know you guys when they said uh that i had this case i've been dreading the shit out of this moment right now no shit look i want to fucking murder him but how about we don't yeah that's what he's saying that's well he says worse he says i i have been on this case since december when the public defender got off the public defender got off because of gary lies. And Gary has lied to me. Gary set up the public defender for failure. In a lot of respects, he set me up for failure.

I guess I'm too prideful, worried about my reputation. That's why I hated him the other day. As bad as Gary Davis is, and he won't hear me say otherwise, there's someone equally as bad, maybe worse. That someone continues to lie. someone equally as bad, maybe worse. That someone continues to lie. That someone who is battered when Gary Davis finally summons up the spark of conscience and wants to tell police

it's the battered, abused Rebecca Fincham that says, don't tell him shit, we'll get a lawyer. Because she says how abused she was and he was dragging her around and making her. And then they said, well, that's funny. The police heard her say, don't tell him shit, we'll get a lawyer. So he says, I submit to you.

This shows who's wearing the pants in this family. I'm not saying that forgives Gary Davis. Nothing forgives Gary Davis. He says he deserves to get what Fincham got. They're in the same position. So, you know, life is basically what they're begging for. Jury comes back three hours of deliberation and they say guilty yeah yeah you're guilty uh murder in the first degree so felony murder conspiracy to commit felony

murder in the first degree and second degree kidnapping and conspiracy to commit second degree kidnapping that is a nice kidnapping is a very nice aggravator for murder that brings you pushes you right up to the fucking death chamber. Yeah. The sentencing, Gary, Gary May, who is her husband, Virginia's husband, all of his family, they all testify. All of her family testifies. Her father testifies here. This is her father says that he remembers looking looking gary davis straight in the eye when they were looking for virginia and demanding to know if he was involved and davis insisting that he had nothing to do with the disappearance and the father said to him quote i said if you did so help me god i'll kill you so i'm like that's awesome i wish he would have just shot

him in the face right there so uh the uh, the woman they were going to abduct here, they also they also, you know, talk to the jury and all that sort of thing. And the thing is, they're looking for mitigating evidence. The defense has to look for some mitigating evidence, which is a tough sell here. It's difficult. So the basically. How do you get a mitigator in there at all? He seems terrible. Well, he says he wants the lawyer to talk to a bunch of family and neighbors and friends and shit like that.

And basically, the lawyer tried to ask around. Nobody had anything of value to say for him. The mother indicated that he was no longer welcome at her home so that's not helping uh one of his ex-wives who still liked him here i think was tanya she said that she had been physically abused by him during their relationship another investigator for the public defender's office uh said that uh uh that uh former tenants in the apartment building where they live where he lived and worked told an investigator that he was a liar and a little strange and kinky.

His brother also was interviewed and he said, his brother said that it was his opinion that the murder was the inevitable conclusion of Gary's life story. My brother's a jerk off is what he says. This was going to happen either way. So he says,

tell you what, this is why you shouldn't kill me. My stepbrothers molested me. Didn't say anything till now. My stepbrothers molested me. He says that, uh, uh,

that he was adamant about it. He said, quote, I was molested dozens of times as a child. He said that his brothers who were teenagers would return home from dates with girls and make him quote sniff their crotches and force him to have oral and anal sex which seems really weird what's with the force of the sniffing well if they for if this is what i'm saying if they just had sex with a girl and they were like sniff my crotch then why would they want

to have right why would they want to they're already fucked out at that i would think or maybe they're giant awful monster sex perverts i'm not sure stop i don't know what it is uh he says that this happened from 9 to 12 but then in the same breath he says it didn't have anything to do with his late behavior he says i think people use that as a crutch everyone wants to blame what they do on other people or things so uh he also says that he never confronted his stepbrothers. He never told his parents about the abuse. I've never told anyone till right now.

And he says, quote, I don't even feel any anger towards them. A little hurt, but what can I say? Nope, that's not the response of someone who was viciously sexually abused for three years. A little hurt, but you know, que sera? Like, no. I forcibly blue somebody you know listen life goes on you know hey everybody's got their weird thing you know it just happens whose brothers haven't forced anal sex on him for three straight years boys will be boys boys will be boys so yeah uh this they they all think they find aggravators uh murder was committed

while he was under the sentence of imprisonment of the still on parole uh murder was committed by intentionally killing a person uh kidnapped or being held hostage by them murder was committed when he was a party to an agreement to kill another person in furtherance so it's like a conspiracy there uh in the course or in furtherance of second-degree kidnapping, murder was committed in an especially heinous, cruel, or depraved manner, I would say. The murder was committed for the purpose of avoiding or preventing lawful arrest or prosecution.

So that's a shitload of aggravators. And they come back and the jury finds Ugots in the mitigating department. And you say nothing mitigates your shittiness. Smelling a teenager's dick and getting... Sorry. That's not enough? They take three hours of deliberation here to say, You, sir, may fuck off.

Death penalty for Gary Lee Davis. Oh, shit. So they send his ass away for the death penalty. He blames Becky now at this point. Now he's blaming becky yeah uh he says now afterwards quote the victim in this crime was not touched by me in no way uh that story i told while on the stand was to get becky off meanwhile her case was already over becky's crime not mine that's what he says then he says i think rebecca could have done a lot more

than just uh could have done a lot more than just could have done a lot more than just shoot someone. You would have had to see her have seen her during the crime. She had so much jealous anger built up that I didn't even know who she was. So jealous of what? That he was just having. He was just raping a chick. Yeah, I think it's one of those things. Like she wants to see him have sex with someone so she can get mad at them and attack them or something.

It's like I don't know what her psychology is, but that's what he's saying her psychology is. We don't even know here. So he appeals. He appeals in 1990. He appeals in 89. And then he appeals. Then he says he doesn't want to appeal anymore. He says he's done fucking appealing.

He wants nothing to do with it anymore. He's done. Then he gets a new lawyer that says no your lawyer was terrible we can appeal all day we'll get you right off death row so he goes you know I'd appeal it so first of all it's appealing for alcohol he says that you know the leading authorities on alcoholism

say that you know agree with the fact that he could have been suffering from blackouts and that could have been mitigated he could have had a blackout from all this alcohol he was ingesting and you murder people you black out you kidnap murder people and force them to go down on your wife that's what you do in a blackout situation uh so they said that could have been mitigating evidence here this is ridiculous he's had a horrible life and this alcohol's uh you know come up from there they uh but the sheriff's deputy who stopped them said that he didn't think he was intoxicated and uh yeah there was that basically he said that uh uh would have loved he said he

would have loved and done anything short of bending the facts to make an alcohol related arrest on gary davis at the scene they wanted to take him in and have him under arrest then we can hold on to yeah if they thought he had a drop of alcohol in the system they would have arrested him immediately under suspicion of dui just so you're leaning on him a little bit. So also there's no physical or anything kind of tests there, no blood alcohol level or anything like that. lawyer was just completely derelict in his duties, that he did not investigate the head injury that he suffered in a car accident in 1965. So he claims that he told the lawyer about it, and the lawyer should have investigated because he had a hospitalization for it, and it caused his drinking to increase, blackouts,

and to start his criminal history. Now, he was kicked out of the Marines for being a homicidal drunken maniac before this. Yeah. So I don't know about that. This is in 63, I think. So a little shady there. The argument that they get to this, they say that his records, military records, say that in 64, he was diagnosed with having homicidal tendencies and an alcohol problem.

So they said, that's bullshit. There's no evidence that the lawyer would have uncovered anything more that would have been mitigating that would have caused brain damage or anything like that. The only thing was that his own testimony that he said that after his first wife began to drift apart, he began to increase his use of alcohol. That's the only thing that comes from him there's no corroboration there so it's that sort of thing uh a doctor that examined him did not see any indication of organic brain syndrome any brain damage anything that

showed up didn't have like cte or anything like that i guess i don't know i think you have to be dead to look at your brain for that but just in a normal thing they didn't see any normal signs of trauma or damage uh so they said that uh that this was not an effective representation also he says it was ineffective representation because uh the guy's closing argument sucked you gave him nothing yeah he said it was bad and that i should get off because my lawyer had a shitty closing argument okay he says that they and the court says quote although truman is his lawyer although truman's choice of words was flamboyant and perhaps over dramatic at times his closing stats funny they're taking shots at his style jesus christ the statement taken as a

whole conveyed several important messages to the jury about his client. He made it clear from the outset that he was asking for mercy in the face of overwhelming evidence rather than attempting to argue the absurd, which was that he was innocent. He was arguing to save his life, basically. Second, he made a strong plea to the jury to consider moral justification, saying that the Becky didn't get it. So why should he get it? And that sort of shit here. or moral justification saying that the becky didn't get it so why should he get it and that sort of shit here and so they said that the it was he was making a decision it was strategic and uh you know the the lawyer also said that he was quote uh not going to quote twist or fudge

anything uh attempting to maintain his credibility and candor with the jury and he said we can't fault him for saying that no i like the way he did yeah because i mean that's the only chance he had you drug a woman out of a car by a fucking rope around her neck you can't there's no excuse no and you're no excuse you've been found guilty of that no excuse for that nobody's going no no beg for mercy is all you can do all you got is look i heard what you heard it's horrible let's not kill him so they say uh we can't find any fault and what the judge did or what your lawyer did you can keep fucking off mister uh he says now he's really done with appeals he said he's contacted his lawyer to put a stop to it it has nothing to do with being chicken i don't think a chicken

could do it sitting in this little square hole for a decade isn't my bag of tea which i don't think i've heard that's not what it is yeah uh bag of tea i was raised in the outdoors and this is really getting to me even if i had a life term big deal i don't want a natural life in here this is not a death wish it's what i feel is best for myself so uh yeah then he said he's trying to get himself executed ahead of another guy uh because he makes a joke he says quote you know one good thing about being executed first the needle will be clean that's what he thinks he's a fucking comedian they use new ones sir remember when he was doing comedy yeah this is what he's talking about he thinks he's a mr vaudeville over here so execution's gonna happen uh during this time on death row he reunites with some of his family, including his first two wives. Why would they want to spend time with this person?

Jesus. Witnesses said that he experienced a dramatic spiritual conversion in his final years. Oh, spiritual. The Lord Jesus touched him and touched him and then touched him a little lower. The Lord Jesus made me sniff his crotch and it smelled good. It smelled good. So, yeah, his ex-wife wife tanya tatum here uh she lives she lives in texas and uh she said she does yeah tanya tatum from texas i'm tanya tatum from texas from tyler texas how you doing nice to meet tanya tatum tyler

texas nice to meet you that's tanya tucker's original name tanya tatum yeah absolutely i can't say i'm from tyler texas and i'm tanya tatum jesus christ ain't nobody gonna listen to that shit tanya tatum from tyler texas yeah so she says that for real that's for real no i don't know if she's from tyler texas but she's tanya tatum from texas i can only assume it's from tyler great it's from tyler amazing christ so she doesn't understand that by the way this would be the first execution in the state of colorado since the mid-60s really so it's yeah colorado doesn't really do that shit and uh she said i don't understand why

they're executing him his ex-wife she said quote i know that this murder can't be any more heinous than probably countless others that have taken place in the state of colorado but why is he the fucking winner i mean i don't know it's pretty fucking heinous now uh bradley garer you know who he is garer bradley garer is his son oh what hope yeah his son has his because he changed it's a long story what the shit weird right yeah he's bradley garrer somehow that is his son gary's son he has been corresponding with gary uh from texas the reason he can't visit is because he's in prison uh he is in prison serving 45 years for murder for crimes committed uh two weeks after gary killed virginia wow how crazy is that uh what yep apparently he had gotten out of jail

and then was back in a facility for violating his parole incredible so that's that uh now his oldest daughter moved to colorado from texas are you doing? To try to reconnect with it. She hadn't seen him since she was 14 months old. Good. She's never met this man. Does not know him. Don't go. Found out my dad's a scumbag rapist murderer.

I better move closer so I can get to know him better. I think I know plenty. Thanks. I'm good. Incredible. She said, quote, my dad had a choice in his actions. I never got to know him the way most children got to know their parents. I get angry with him, but then I do miss him.

So there's that. So then there's a clemency attempt at the last minute. This is to the governor. They send a videotape of him sitting there shackled. And yeah, he says, quote, he talks about it's hurt a whole bunch of people. This crime, a whole bunch on both sides. He talks about how his daughter, other daughter, recently died from a brain tumor. Gary's daughter.

He said that he spoke about because they said, what would you if the governor spared your life? What could you do? And he said that he was a cook and he would like to he could cook in jail and he'd like to spend time with his prison with his prison. He's spending plenty of time. He'd like to spend time with his family, get to know his children that he hasn't seen. And the governor said, fuck, no, don't think so. rehabilitation of his character and his demeanor but i do not believe that whatever remorse or rehabilitation that is displayed here justifies reaching that extraordinary event that would cause this governor to give him clemency okay fuck off is what he says you sir continue to fuck off uh so gary at this point starts a yapping oh boy start to yapping and he says that uh he says that uh uh you know uh sober i consider myself a real nice person.

Drunk, I'm a real live monster. So now he's saying it was all alcohol. He's saying I've always had strong driving force. Jesus Christ. He says that he's always had this strong driving force inside of him and alcohol let him go for it. Because he was saying how, you know, Ted Bundy thought was full of shit for saying it was porn. He's like, that shit was in me the whole time. Alcohol just let me let it out.

So maybe porn just let him let it out, but they didn't put it there. We all have that shit there to begin with, is what he's saying. He claims at this point that he's raped 15 women in his life. I believe him. I definitely believe him. Christ, if you got caught for one, you did 10. You got caught for three. Yeah.

You got caught for three, you did two. So you did for three. Yeah. You got caught for three, you did two. So you did 10 to 20, I would say. Yeah, that makes sense. He says that, you know, he then goes back and forth on his stories. And he says that his lawyer said that Gary, quote, told too many stories to too many people. And no one really knows what the truth is. I guess I wonder if he even knows what the truth is at this point he has pen pals more a woman from ireland flew all the way to colorado to visit him before his before his execution and said she would pay for his cremation as well

his longest correspondence though was with a denver woman who was a prison acts activist who would basically come for more than 10 years and see him on death row. He writes on death row. I'm revealing things I've kept closed all my life being. I'll never come face to face with you. It's easy to talk. I know some of it may seem like trash, but I've lived in that trash for years. I've always hated myself from what I've done. He said, I want to write you in my own words

about my feelings of needing a woman without her consent. It'll be like cleansing for me. For the first time in my life, I'm going to let someone in my mind. I've tried talking to doctors, but can't really say anything to them. He said, at a very young age, I thought it was okay to take pussy if you wanted to.

Most girls or women won't turn you in as long as they don't get hurt. Oh, my God. What the fuck? How do you say those words? He wrote them. Wow. That's why he couldn't say them to a doctor, maybe.

A good man will take your thoughts first and treat you as if you were a baby. I will tell you a few do's and don'ts to a happier sex life if you like he tells this person he says uh as years went by just showing myself whacking it wasn't enough i had to touch i needed some pussy by force to hear the girl or woman scream and beg as i did every person i raped i enjoyed what the shit making us not feel too fucking bad for him at all here uh yeah he said i never thought about getting into trouble until it's over during and before it happens all i think about was making them do whatever i wanted i just lay there with a smirk on my face yelling at them and watching them cry and begged me not to hurt them some of the girls were real young some were grown women i treat them all the same i didn't care if

they cry or begged it would take the uh i didn't if they didn't cry or beg it would take the excitement out of it he He's a fucking monster. The shit is happening. That's how do you get? How do you get to that place? That's not. That's not. He's right.

That's in you. That started from fucking birth, right? It has to be. He said afterwards, he said afterwards, sometimes I'd sit there and cry and want to hold the person and tell them how sorry i was the next day i'd be right back out looking again though jesus god uh yeah he says that uh uh he says i've been locked up and then another time he says i have been locked up one time for a rape charge that doesn't make me a sex offender i went to church once though that doesn't make me a christian it's the same thing. It's entirely different. It's very different.

He said, then he said, everyone told me I'd come off death row and I've got to quit trusting people. The papers say I have about five years left. The lawyers say about two. I see the paper pulling the rape of Virginia May as one of my charges. It's not as bad as it is already because he was never charged with rape. And he said they put that in his charges and he's pissed off about that he's mad they're calling him a rapist that's why he said they're calling me a rapist 15 people you dick but that's not the charge okay there come on treat me fairly and legally oh boy so uh i know everyone's going to be real sad but october 13th

1997 is execution day yes we get to kill this asshole. This is what I mean. This is tough here. First Colorado execution in 30 years. Last meal, Jimmy. Yes. Last meal is ice cream, chocolate and vanilla. Just? Just ice cream

in those little cups. No. Yeah. The styrofoam with the wood? No, those little like paper cup things that you pull the thing off of and I think you probably

have to scrape it with like an Italian ice spoon. Yeah. That's depressing. He did get as much as he wanted though. little cups of ice cream i'll take it all whole bag he also shortly before his execution requested a cigarette but a smoking ban in place in prisons made his request denied he couldn't even have a cigarette he made no final statement because he was pissed off about the cigarette probably first prisoner uh executed since 67

and still not another one in colorado since he's the only man to be executed in colorado in the last 50 years just this asshole now okay 52 fucking years that's amazing that's fucking amazing so i mean it's one of those things where you want to kill him right now and you're like, awesome. And then you hear this asshole. This is an Adams County district attorney who says this, frankly,

I'd kill 10 Gary Davis is to save one seven 11 clerks life. If one guy going out to rob that seven 11 sticks his finger in his pocket instead of a gun, because he believes there's a death penalty, the job is done. So that's what they said at the end of it. And now the one of the prominent anti-death penalty people said that Colorado congratulations to Colorado, who will now be joining the ranks of the barbarians. He said, we've had one sacrificial defendant to prove how tough everyone was. Now, can we get to funding programs that have meaning instead of uh instead

of a white elephant that costs tens of millions of dollars so okay everybody feel good about themselves we've all gotten revenge now can we do something else now more reactions here this okay this makes you think because you want to kill this asshole and you want this guy to be dead this is the perfect case where we've had if you've listened we have very mixed feelings about the death penalty we want these people like you know people who there's any question i don't want anything guy like this there's no question of what he did definitely did it we definitely raped more than this we definitely want him dead yeah you know what i mean but this should be a case where you ask the guy the lady's husband or father or mother or sister askista. Would you like to shoot him with a bazooka?

Okay? Because it can't be something that they could mess up on and it's inhumane. Would you like to shoot this man with a combat-grade bazooka that will blow him to smithereens? Like ISIS. Would you? And if they go, no, that's not... Then he's life in prison. If the family doesn't want to do it, life in prison.

That's how it should be. If you want to shoot him with a bazooka fine we'll let you that's what i think it should be but uh the father here jenny may's father he says quote uh i can see that some of this has drawn a lot of attention and i'm glad that it has some of you say uh say some of you may say we were after revenge you are wrong we're just uh we were just spectators compassion was given justice was done it's over what more needs to be said that's after the death penalty now that's reasonable and it makes you think and then this happens then you get people like this who is bob grant who's the guy who was said he'd kill a million of them to save one 7-eleven guy he says that justice delayed but justice he'd kill a million of them to save one 7-Eleven guy. He says that justice delayed, but justice nonetheless.

I saw a lot of better people die and a lot worse deaths in the fields in Vietnam. And he says that, quote, he will have the opportunity to look the devil in the eye, just as Davis is doing right now. He says he hopes that other Colorado killers will have the opportunity to look the devil in the eye. And then I'm like, never mind. Don't like it anymore. If that asshole's good, they're going to look the devil in the eye. Nope. Then I don't want the death penalty at all. Now I'm on Gary's fucking side.

You know what I'm saying? To me, that guy and Gary are not too far off in my book as far as people I don't like. Did that guy, was he in Vietnam? Because he just pulled the whole, I didn't watch my buddies die face down i think it was this shit yeah calm down sir fucking relax it's like 97 chill out everyone's like what viet what you were you were charlie sheen right odd fact oh that's a odd fact though yeah g. Gary Lee Davis is also the name of an actor who worked for more than 20 years in Hollywood. Oh, my God. He was in a bunch of different like he was like a bit part and tons of chips.

Give me a break. Charlie's Angels, the A-Team, Facts of Life, Mr. Belvedere, Cheers, Wonder Years, you name it. Strange thing here, though. He started working in 1975. His career died. Which was right when he got out of prison. And his last role? Yeah.

1997. Oh, my God. Boom! They killed his career, too. Same fucking guy! Dude, he's got the name of a fucking killer. They didn't put him in any more roles. No.

This is the ultimate mistake in identity. Unbelievable. Literally, they executed this guy, and he's never had another fucking acting gig since. He had steady work for 22 years, Jimmy. Done. He executed his career. So, poor Gary Lee Davis. Someone hire him.

He's still alive. Hire him to be in a fucking movie, for Christ's sake. That is Byers, Colorado. That is Gary Lee Davis and poor Virginia May. Unbelievable. And her children and husband and everybody. What a fucking disaster. Wow.

Unbelievable. And her children and husband and everybody. What a fucking disaster. Wow. Told you we had a mouthful for you this week. A real handful of fuckery. It was a lot of fun. It was crazy. Wow.

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this week's executive producers are elizabeth with no last name but lil rider is uh part of her email i'm not going to give the rest of it because I don't want people to email her. Oh, yeah. Rachel, thank you very much. Thank you. Rachel Laminman. I'm at a loss for words for that one. No idea. Jordan Bennett, Jeff Kapp, Edward Claringbold.

I think, yes. And Edward married his Emily, and congrats to the two of you. Hey, good for you. And congratulations. Under the Sea Fabrics, Christine Conklin, Joseph Minner, John Schaefer, and Christopher Burland. I think that's right. Okay, well, thank you.

It's probably not. Even if we messed it up. Thank you all very much. Other producers this week are Cynthia Archambault, yes, Nicole Johnson, Holly Bieske, Blake bolt yes uh nicole johnson holly bias biaski uh blake stevenson katherine brody uh colby schaefer jesse with no last name rebecca man uh mason nick mant mancy uh man what is that manzius i think that's not right but i tried emma jansen kelly everett mandy jones joey coco ruby perez tracy holmes jay kumar sue adler uh kuiper uh mike patrick matt matt oak or avery uh eleni eleni eleni eliana croniger yes schmoltz mcdopler mcdope mcdople schmoltz schmoltz you know what i said you got you. You're dicking with me and you're not going to get me to try my best on that one because I don't know how to do that.

Alex Taylor. Karen Jorgensen. Michael Buckley. Kelsey Driscoll. Cody with no last name. Justice Stint. Aubrey Stewart. Tamika Van Donk.

Or Dunk. Carolyn Rickles. Joanne Gurley. Lauren Gibbons. Arlen Solom. Yeah. Dylan Arceo. Arceo, I think, Axio, I don't know if it's an R or a K, Faye Ferguson, Ben Mathias, Troy Turnwald, Nicole with no last name, Alyssa Camacho, Christopher Nielsen, Devin Murch,

Justine Hinkle, no, Justin Hurch, Justin Hinkle, Amanda Shrum, Jerry Boyette, Logan Holman, Greg McMullen, Evan Schmoll, Thomas Smith, Michelle Coyne, Ellie Cruz, Chelsea Morgan, Dorothy Jones, Kimberly Burke, Brendan Ables, TJ and Yvonne, Tom Berry, Sonny Johansson, Alyssa Rubel, Rachel Hilliard-Brown, Jesse Hartman, Rob Sukach, Stephanie Alexander, Gary Howard. Thanks, Gary. Appreciate it. Yeah, thanks Ventura. Craig's back in. Thanks, Craig.

Nice to see you. Karen Edgen. Jesus, God, I'm so bad at this. Aaron and Matt May. You're doing great, Jimmy. You're doing great. No, I'm not. There you are.

Ronnie Kumar, Ashley Putas, Scott Cloud, Emily Warwick, Thomas Smither, Tim Hartman, Danielle Volkanes, Tyler Sheets, Brian Verblau, I think, Emmanuel Christian, Chris Voss, Heather Campbell, Patrick Martin, Scott McDonald, Teresa Thomas, Justin Miller, Robin Anderson, Sean Hartley, Krista Walker, Bug, B-U-G. Those are all initials, but I'm going with Bug. Mark Foster, Brian Carr, Jude Kendall, Malin Lindberg, Devin Garrett, Sally Norris, Mitch Mandela, Mushrooms. Oh, those are mushrooms somewhere that somebody wanted us to talk about. Ethan's girl, Nikki of Nikki's Shirts and Shit had a birthday. Happy birthday. Happy birthday.

And thank all of you Patreon supporters. You guys are why we do it. Thank you everyone from the bottom of our hearts. You guys are goddamn amazing. And I got to tell you guys something. You guys, with all of your donations, you make it so we can keep the show exactly how we want to make it and exactly how you guys seem to like it. Because we'll tell you something.

how we want to make it and exactly how you guys seem to like it. Because we'll tell you something we've had, we've been tried. We've had networks and business people try to push this show and our other show in so many different fucking directions, square pegs and round holes. You should curse less. You should do this more. Don't talk about that.

They should be 45 minutes long. All of these different things that you guys don't seem to like. And we don't have to listen to that because we have a good base of donations to where we don't need. We're not sitting here going, oh, man, we'll do anything for that advertising money. We say we're more beholden to our listeners than anybody out there. They matter more. And you guys cause that. So thank you for giving us that freedom.

And you get to buy yourself the show that you like rather than something that's kind of twisted around by corporations. So here we are. Thank you for doing that. Jimmy, what if people wanted to thank you? How could they do it? You can find me at whismansucks, W-H-I-S-M-A-N sucks on Twitter and Instagram and Snapchat. Where are you? Oh, you can find me at Jimmy P is funny or just copy and paste my last

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