Small Town Murder - #138 - The Cookie Monster in Walnut, Mississippi

Episode Date: September 26, 2019

This week, in Walnut, Mississippi, where the town doesn't know where to turn when a ransom note is found, after a college student goes missing. Who could have taken her? An outsider? The town maniac? Police quickly call in the FBI in a desperate attempt to find the missing young woman, hopefully alive. The whole thing ends up in a legal fight that lasts years, and causes some strong feelings!Along the way, we find out that sometimes a tow only needs one festival, that your history often tells your future, and that crazy can certainly be measured in your cookie eating to murder ratio!!Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman New episodes every Thursday! Donate at: patreon.com/crimeinsports or go to paypal.com & use our email: [e-mail] Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder & Crime In Sports! Follow us on... twitter.com/@murdersmall facebook.com/smalltownpod instagram.com/smalltownmurder Also, check out James & Jimmie's other show, Crime In Sports! On iTunes, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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shout shut up and give me murder let's go on a trip jimmy fantastic what do you say let's go we were in maryland last week we were all the way we're on the shore it was like a vacation shore town oh it's gorgeous there it was beautiful vacation short town now we're gonna go down to mississippi we go down to a town that's got a little less to offer i would say uh it's uh just a little more downtrodden of a place we'll say i'm sure it's a wonderful place to be but um not for all not for you not for me personally uh it's in walnut mississippi we're going here yeah Yeah, going down to Walnut. It's in northeastern Mississippi.

It's right up at the, it's like three miles from the Tennessee border in northern Mississippi. So it's way up there. This is kind of in the sticks. Yeah. This is in the hills, you know, up in that area here. It's about an hour and 15 minutes to Memphis, Tennessee there. About three hours to Nashville. It will be April 7th and 8th.

Nice plug there. And about four hours and 40 minutes to Petal, Mississippi. My word. Our last Mississippi episode. That was a long time ago. Episode 94, November 2018. Unbelievable. And yeah, that one's way down the opposite, way down in the southeastern corner.

In the swamp. Yeah, down in the bayou. And up here, we're up in the hills by the uh by tennessee so completely different mississippi trying to bounce around the states anyway when we do it uh this is in tippa county t-i-p-p-a-h okay county i feel like they've tried to say another word yeah either it's a native american word or they tried to say another word and that's how it came out in the accent they tried to say tipper and they were just you know tipp then tip over there okay some weird hill accent i don't know uh zip code 38683 area code 662 it's about 5.5 square miles not a huge place not a small place it's a small

town but indecent everybody has a little bit of land here so the lots are big we'll put it that way it's not uh not stacking people in a track housing. There's not enough people to have track housing here. Motto of this town, quote, Mississippi's healthiest hometown. Oh, boy. That's the motto. Or they have one that's internal just for the people. And they don't tell the rest of the state about it.

But this is just what they say in town here. Quote, less fat than the rest of the state. So, you know, just what they say in town here. Quote, less fat than the rest of the state. Yeah. So, you know, that's, I feel like, what they're trying to say. The healthiest means we have seven less McDonald's in this town. Our life expectancy is over 43. We're doing great. We don't cover everything in gravy.

You know how that goes. Mississippi, I don't know if you know, and if you live in Mississippi, you certainly do know, so this is not news to you, and it's not offensive because it's true. You get it. They are one of the less healthy states in the union as far as statistics go. A lot of gravy happening down there, like Jimmy said. Lots of smothered and covered. Everything, yeah.

Breakfast, lunch, dinner, they find a way to put gravy on things. It's a gravy shake and you know the dairy queen and i'll have the gravy shake and then another shake for dessert yeah i'll have those mayo popsicles yeah that sounds the mayo all day all day all day mayo baby all day oh mayo so history of this town here this region originally home to the Chickasaw Indians. This was obviously the tribe that was related to the Choctaw who lived in southern Mississippi, who we talked about in the last one. The Chickasaws were big traders, apparently, and traded with the Europeans a lot, including for silver, jewelry, pottery, things like that. A lot ofan jewelry and artifacts

were found in the graves with chickasaws so uh they traded a lot with them uh first you know kind of white people to be here were was de soto here uh hernando de soto who quote discovered the mississippi yeah he kept walking and then was like shit my are wet. That's a big fucking thing of water. Hey, I found a river. Good job, Hernando. How do you discover the Mississippi back then with no sound? You can hear that motherfucker from Florida. I've discovered the Pacific Ocean, everyone. It's running real fast today.

You're walking, there it is. Eventually it's there. The Pacific is real muddy today. You find a holy grail. A giant river that literally slices a continent in half is not a find. That's just you ran into it by accident. Good job. You went that way.

That's what you did. DeSoto went that way, and there was a river. And there was nowhere else to go. Nowhere else to go. Literally couldn't miss the river. If he was in this country, it would be impossible. It runs from goddamn border to border. Unbelievable.

Yeah. DeSoto here, him and his people moved northward here and followed the trail. And basically, they followed the trail of what is now Route US Highway 78. Basically, yeah, they ended up that trail. Is that what goes north to south? I guess it's kind of a, I think it's like a diagonal. Okay. And that. Basically, yeah, they ended up that trail. Is that what goes north to south? I guess it's kind of a, I think it's like a diagonal. And that goes to the Mississippi River. So they followed this out to the Mississippi River.

And now on February 1836, this is a year before the removal of the Chickasaws began. This is the Andrew Jackson days, as you might imagine. And the Mississippi legislature divided the whole thing, divided the, I guess, now conquered Chickasaw land into 10 counties. And this is one of them. So that was how Mississippi started. Walnut itself, the town, was established in 1872. It was land that belonged to a guy named Henry Hopkins, who was a guy who just was here. Just an early guy who started to hang out here. Didn't do anything in particular except be here.

He was here. Henry Hopkins was here. What did he do? He was here. He didn't partner with Johns and create a big hospital? Read the goddamn sign. It says he was here. It doesn't say anything about doing anything.

It just says he was present. Understood. So it was initially known as Hopkins, the town, because he was the only guy there and then they changed it to walnut in 1876 because who knows because he didn't accomplish enough people were like you know what that hopkins guy's kind of a dick you guys notice that he knows henry's kind of a dick why are we all they i don't want to live in a town a whole bunch of trees around here that make a lot of nice shit that we put in past hey people are gonna they're gonna like order like send letters to us with his name on it fuck that guy no i'm not doing it no you know what walnut after a goddamn tree that's right uh so this was originally uh walnut a stopping point for the

railroad that ran between two other towns and uh the train needed wood and water to run and it would stop near walnut if it's uh because that was like kind of an in-between stop there so it's kind of a refueling area for the trains uh the name changed after a barrel of whiskey was dropped at hopkins instead of hopkinsville that's how that worked which was a village another village that was a mile south those bastards got our whiskey i'll change your name now that's the last goddamn time this is gonna fucking happen can you imagine that a village another village that was a mile south those bastards got our whiskey i'll change our name now that's the last goddamn time this is gonna fucking happen can you imagine that shit they got this is like getting someone's amazon package i have to be sober till they get that

shit back here i have there's a street name that's very similar to mine that's very close to me where like delivery people have called and said like i'm right outside your house and i'm like i guarantee you're not because i'm out here and you're definitely not. There's an extra, I know you son of a bitch. So that's, yeah. So that happens.

So, and we get people's mail from that address on that. So I can't imagine what they're keeping over there of ours. So who knows? So this is one of those things, but a whiskey, once that happens, the name is changed.

And they're like fucking two blocks away. That's what I mean. I don't care who lives here, who the settlers are. Your name's Walnut now. Okay. We're not going to screw this up. I'm losing my whiskey. Yeah.

The conductor had to back the train up a mile to Hopkinsville to deliver the whiskey barrel to the store owner. They're only a mile away. They're a mile away. Why the fuck would you allow that? I don't know why you would do that that makes no sense but uh yeah this is christ so yeah they all complained about this and they said that they would call it walnut because there was a grove of walnut trees near the town they're like we'll stop this confusion because this is ridiculous here and uh this everybody agreed on it somehow, which is weird.

Southern people aren't agreeable. No, they're not. They're generally disagreeable. They're contrary, if nothing else. They disagree for fun. And I don't mean that as an insult, because I'm contrary as well, so that's fine. But normally... It's sport to them, though. That's what I mean.

Normally, you're not going to... Yeah, they're still fighting a war from 160 years ago that had a clear outcome. That they certainly lost. There's a definite document but you know what we'll keep it going it's like always they always have like it's like a constant game of monopoly that's just never ending just like want to pick up on that game i don't know it's just it's over right you have no more money i have all hotels on everything if you move start mortgaging yeah but i never know i might be able to I'll land on Baltic, and then I got a shot.

You don't have anything on Baltic. Every six or eight moves, I get another 200 bucks. Let's just keep going. Yeah. Jesus Christ. So it's still just never been a big town. Currently, right now, the town has, this is from the town website. Currently, the town has all the modern conveniences.

That's what it says. All the modern conveniences. Of what? Of the town website. Currently, the town has all the modern conveniences. That's what it says. All the modern conveniences. Of what? Of the modern age. Including, semicolon, a bank, a library, a city hall, a K-12 school. So they have the kindergartners with the seniors. That's healthy. A grocery store, a video store.

That is not a modern convenience. That is a modern convenience that is a modern convenience of 1997 yeah modern convenience now a tanning salon we got us one of them red boxes it's brand new it's gonna be excellent a tanning salon a drug store a hardware store a public swimming pool a park quote a few restaurants a couple dollar stores, and an antique store. That's, quote, all the modern conveniences that you need. In every town in America, you've got that in your goddamn living room because you've got a cell phone that can get you all of that. That's the what now?

Yeah. The what now? Pray tell. Pray tell. What are you talking about? Modern conveniences. All the modern so anybody out there if you need more than that you're just you know what you're just being a gluttonous fuck

that's what you are you're being a greedy dick and you're the you're the problem and you're the reason the world is going down all you need is a hardware store a tanning salon a video store and a city hall and you should be able to to manage and that tanning salon is like a leather tanning salon i'm sure oh my gosh that's funny they'll tan the hides oh yeah that's no problem it's not tanning beds it's uh this place here uh there's a furniture and an elevator manufacturing thing nearby apparently you can manufacture elevators and uh some of the people even commute to memphis all the way to there. So that's how it works.

Hour and a half? Hour and a half. God damn it. Well, I'll tell you in a sec. The population has gone up a lot in the last 20 years. And that's why I found this account of somebody talking about playing on the cotton gin back in the day. An account of someone growing up in Walnut. These were just accounts of people growing up in Walnut.

Playing there? Playing. And so the gin was located right across the street uh it was it was a place to go explore and to play it was probably crazy to play in the gin because many young men were killed and maimed in cotton gins over the years the whole place was run by a big steam engine from this big boiler there came a huge piston that turned a large wheel all this sounds very dangerous for a child to play inside the wheel was used to turn a large belt this belt was probably two or three feet wide as i'll remember it it was called the child eater it just we like to lay on it while while it turned we just roll it's called the kitty bone stripper that's a good one if you roll fast enough you keep away from the pulley and everything's okay. Oh, it's all right. You're going to be all right. You just lie on some fluffy cotton.

They just mentioned like nine OSHA fucking violations. This belt in turn was connected to other wheels, which were in turn connected to other belts to power the machine. So this was just a mess. Yeah. The whole thing sounds very dangerous here. I used to watch the men operate the giant vacuum that pulled the raw cotton from the cotton trailers that were pulled under it by trucks or tractors. Good Lord.

So he talks about sucking cotton for a while there. Very, very weird. At one point, he says, it was at the end of a press that the real danger would take place. This was when the gin compress operator would try to compress all the remaining loose cotton into one heavy bale instead of having one light bale. I assume the one heavy bale would save the cost of compressing one small blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. The last bale was very dangerous, and I used to watch the men as they nervously watched the bale as the banding took place.

The extreme compression of the cotton made this bail very dangerous to ban. If the bands broke, men could lose arms or legs or die. That's Jesus Christ. What the fuck? What's worse? What is happening? Good God. And they want to go play in that as children.

What's going on? Hi, Cotton. Did you hear that song? No. His town is essential. That's its anthem for sure. Oh, I'm sure it is. You got to listen to that song? No. That's its anthem for sure. You gotta listen to that song, James. It sounds like a sensual part of my library that I'm missing.

It sounds they are not forgotten. I'll get on Apple Music or iTunes or whatever afterwards and I'll dig it up because I'm sure it's at the top of the charts right now. You're going to be crying. You're going to cry for hating the song and that it's so hysterical. That's amazing.

So, population of this town here, it's gone up a lot in the last few years. It's about 1,100 right now in the whole area. It's up 112%

since 1990. So, that's a shitload of people. They've pretty much doubled their population since 1990. And that is people who are willing

to commute to Memphis because they want to work there. But Memphis is apparently people they've pretty much doubled their population since 1990 and that is people who are willing to commute to memphis because they want to work there but memphis is uh apparently very dangerous place yeah lately and uh people have been that way people are fleeing there yeah really yeah it's kind of it's one of those cities that's losing yeah people they people small chicago it's yeah it's it's not doing well i don't think memphis from what i understand i know people come from like the north and then they want to move to the suburbs, and that's how that works. Got it. So a lot more females than males here, which is strange because it's a young crowd.

Usually it's not like this. The median age here, normally it's about 38. Here it's a little under 32. It's a very young crowd. All the child demographics are high. Anybody under 20, everything is spiked up real, real high. Everybody has a lot of kids here. It's that type of place.

Tons of kids. 41% married. Normally, it's about 50%. A lot of more widowed people than normal. Divorce rates a little higher than normal here. Single with no children, 21%. So, young people. I don't know a good place to to go married uh married with no children uh is way less than normal though which is uh interesting

and a lot more single people with children too so it's it's a lot of kids a lot of no kids a lot of single people that makes sense that young people are the only ones that are willing to drive three hours round trip every day for work. Old people aren't going to be like, sure, I'll do it. Back east, that's not far. Really? Are you shitting me? In New York, people commute an hour to work, an hour and a half to work.

Hour's okay. Hour and a half? Easy. Oh, my God. That's half your day of work and travel. My mother used to commute almost two hours to work each way. Are you shitting me? When I was a kid.

Yeah, all the time. She'd go to, yeah, it's normal. Oh, my God. And traffic and everything else. Yeah, and the winter and snow. It's a 12-hour goddamn day. That's what I mean. That's what people do back there. And then go to, yeah, it's normal. Oh, my God. In traffic and everything else. Yeah, in the winter and snow. It's a 12-hour goddamn day. That's what I mean. That's what people do back there.

And then if you work overtime, forget it. Because you can't afford to live in the city that you work in. That's the problem. So you have to live, I can afford to live an hour and a half away from my job. So that's how it works. It's brutal. That happens a lot back east. Fuck out.

Yeah, that's why people move out west a lot here. So race here, about 84 percent white about 13 percent black so it's it's pretty much just white and black as we see here 0.0 percent asian 3.1 percent hispanic so white and black very as most of the southern cities are 67 percent religious yeah as we know it's uh, it's 50-50 normally here. 50% Baptist. That's a lot. As we know, Baptists are the Catholics of the South. And James, half the people of the town or half the people that are religious?

Half the people that are, I believe that's half the people that are religious. Wow. But still, that's a shitload. Yeah. That's a lot of the town, man. At least more than a third of the town man at least more than a third of the town is straight baptist 1.1 catholic not playing that shit down there they don't do that a few methodists and pentecostals a couple presbyterians here and there yeah uh 0.0

percent mormon even the mormons are like not yet that's no thanks we'll get there eventually you know what we're gonna try i don't know, the Philippines or, you know. Guatemala. You know, Turkmenistan maybe. We'll give those a shot before we hit northern Mississippi. One of those places. Plus, I think that Baptist law is strong. They're like, that's a tough spell to break, guys.

I don't know if we want to do that. We've all seen Mississippi burning. Let's just stay home, okay? Stop spelling. That's a tough one. 0.0% Jewish, 0.0% Muslim, which is not that surprising down here. 20% Democrat in the last election, 78% Republican, only 2% Independent. That's the lowest we've ever seen in independent voting.

Unemployment rate here is a little bit high, but it's like 4.5%. So it's still excessively low. Median household income is where this place really shines. Average in the country is $58,000. Here it is $24,375 for the household. For the household. For everybody. For everybody.

40% of the people here make under $15,000 a year. What? 55% of the people, more than half the people here, make under $30,000 a year. How is that even possible? Under $30,000. That's obscene. I don't even know what to say about that. What the shit?

That is very low. And we'll talk cost of living. It's not that low. A lot of the jobs, there's three times as many construction jobs here as normal. Not a lot of manufacturing jobs. Not a lot of finance. No white collar, things like that. It's all low.

Health care, social services is 27% of the jobs, which is way high. It's double the amount normally. The fucking most CNAs in the country work in there? I don't know what is happening here. That income is crazy for health care. It's so low here. Overall cost of living, 100 regular average par. Here it's 81.

So that's higher than it should be for that cost of living. Housing, though, is a 44. So that's pretty low. Median home cost, 82,600 bucks. You might be able to afford that on 22 minutes a year. I mean, that's pretty low. But there's not a lot of houses available for that because it's a small town.

There's not a lot for sale. It's a 40 over 40% of the people here rent. So it's that type of place. People are renting a lot houses. There are 20% of the houses are worth less than $20,000 in this place. One in five, one in five houses. Normally it's 3% in the rest of the country. One in five.

One in five houses. Normally, it's 3% in the rest of the country. So it is most of the houses we're talking 80% of the houses are worth under $100,000 here. So if we've convinced you, the only place you could possibly, possibly enjoy the rest of your life is Walnut, Mississippi. We have for you the Walnutissippi real estate report so your average two-bedroom rental here is about half the normal rate it's about 650 bucks okay for so i mean that's that's reasonable still seems steep it's yeah well i found a three threebath, 960-foot square foot. It's kind of a shithole, I've got to be honest with you. It's not really that nice.

It's kind of a dump. $79,500 for this little slice of heaven. Now, let's say you want to build your own house. You're a rugged type. You want to go fell some trees and drag them in here. I found a 26-acre lot here. $25,700. A lot of trees, though.

It's the woods. That's awesome. But yeah, it's a lot of land. I want to own that. There's a ton of that available. Oh, my God. You could buy, for $100,000, you could buy 100 acres of, it's like $1,000 an acre pretty much down there.

This is exactly, it's 25.7 acres, $25,700. You think that land's any good? No. I found a four-bedroom, four-bath, 3,600-square-foot, very nice house, big porch that wraps around. Kind of a southern, nice house. $259,000 for this big, beautiful house. It's inexpensive down there. No, that is terrible land, Jimmy.

Nobody wants that. It's like I saw the picture of the land. It's a lot of woods. Yeah. You've got to do a lot of cutting. Yeah, it's terrible land, Jimmy. Nobody wants that. It's like I saw the picture of the land. It's a lot of woods. Yeah, you've got to do a lot of cutting. Yeah, it's going to cost you. You're going to be working a while. Yeah, if you just want space to add to your land, or if you're going to stick a trailer and a clearing or something, it's fine.

But if you actually want to have a house and a yard, it's going to be expensive because you're going to have to clear forest to do it. I kind of want to do it. That sounds so rad. That's a lot of land. A thousand bucks an acre. One day, if I get rich as shit, man, I might want to do that. You could buy land up in northern Arizona for that price.

Not for a thousand dollars an acre, though. No, up there. Oh, my God, that shit is so coveted. But that's pretty, though. That's what I mean. It's amazing. So things to do here. I found this is the thing to do here.

It's because it's the only thing to do in the whole town uh walnut day's celebration either this or go to the video store yeah okay which is i guess a museum now it went a little vague on the title celebration yeah it's known for its fantastic fireworks display actually on the site it says walnut celebration is known for it fantastic firework display no it. They have a fucking typo. I took a screenshot of it. So you could, I could show it to you so I could prove what I'm saying. Am I lying?

No, no. If it's known for it, how about we call it the fucking wall? Walnut Walmart. What is it? Walnut? Well, there's more than just the fireworks, Jimmy, but it's known for that. That's the big finale. That's on Sunday, July 7th.

You have the finale three days after the 4th of July because that's okay. That's the big finale. That's on Sunday, July 7th. You have the finale three days after the 4th of July because that's thanking. There are activities for the whole family to enjoy. Inflatables for all ages. Okay, that's what disturbed me. Inflatables for all ages. There's only... There's only some ages that like it.

It's about, what, 0 to 12 that those are for. Otherwise, it's for people to fuck. That's what they're doing. They're saying we have inflatables and you can poke a hole. Bring your baby oil. Yeah, bring your baby oil. And you know what? Bring some wipes, too, because you've got to clean up after yourself.

We can't have people cleaning up after the last guy. That's not going to work. Baby oil and wet ones. Come on by. Yeah, and music and entertainment. And, Jimmy, I'll show you this. Win this. What's that?

It's in giant red. Win this. And it's just a picture of a golf cart looking thing. It's not even a great golf cart. No, it's just, I don't know, 100% refurbished and fully customized. It's a used golf cart. Win a used golf cart. One raffle ticket for $20 or six for $100.

You can buy them at the Shell in Walnut, Walnut Hardware in Walnut, or Citizens Bank in Walnut, any of these places. Now, I have the schedule here. There's an antique tractor and farm equipment show. That's a Cubmobile Derby. What the fuck is that? I don't know what a Cubmobile Derby is. There's a dunk tank. Yeah?

Who's in it? Wood Matters carving by the Chainslinger slinger oh the guy with the chainsaw i think so that's fucking horrifying that sounds scary as shit someone's losing an arm there i'm sure uh inflatables for all ages ten dollars uh to go see that apparently how many how much inflatable goodness could there be for that kind of money? Live music by Ron Ekberg Band. Spell the last name. E-C-K-B-E-R-G. Wow.

Ron Ekberg Band. Yeah. I don't know who the shit that is. He's local as fuck. I would say so. The summer baseball team will be serving food. I don't know what the hell happens with that. And don't miss the Rotary Pancake Sausage Breakfast as well, because that's a big one.

And then finally, fireworks. There's that. What does a Rotary Club do? I don't know. You hear of it everywhere. Bitch about these damn push-button phones. Sit around and just complain about it. These goddamn push-button friggin' phones.

I don't know what the hell to do with these friggin' things. And then the Shriners do the same shit. It's the Rotaries versus... Is it Roters or Rotaries? Rotaries. And then you throw the Kiwanis in there, and holy Jesus, the whole thing goes down the... It's all confused.

You get a Shriner in there with their hats, we got ourselves a rumble. It's like the Outsiders. I don't understand what any of you fuckers do. So the band's here. King Jeremy will be there Friday, July 5th. Oh. I don't know who that is.

But he's a king. Saturday, July 6th, 8.30 to 12.30, Patrick N. Swayze is the band. N. Swayze. Patrick N. Swayze. That's the band. It's spelled exactly like that. And finally, Ron Eckberg there on Sunday. Crime rate.

Ron could go. He could fucking throw a cool, like, Ron Ekberg and the chain slingers. And the chain slingers. Get him on there, slinging his ring while he's playing his music. Is anything badass? In the background, wood chips are flying, sawdust everywhere. The chainsaw noises. Jesus Christ. Crime rate.

Well, we're interested in this town, probably in any town. Property crime is about, it's high. It's about 60% over the average. So it's a high crime rate in terms of property. Violent crime, murder, rape, robbery, and of course, assault. The Mount Rushmore of crime is slightly high. It's about 10 to 15% high, but not as high as the property crime. So they're more likely to steal your shit than murder you for your shit.

You're right. And speaking of murder. But it will happen. It will happen like it did on this one case. Let's talk about a murder. All right. Shall we? Let's go to this.

Yeah. I understand that anybody who's paid attention to the media would have to come to the conclusion that I killed my wife. Hi, my name is Zach Stewart-Pontier. I'm one of the filmmakers behind The Jinx, and I'm excited to bring you the official Jinx podcast. We'll be revisiting all six episodes of part one

and watching along with part two as it airs on Max, starting April 21st. Bye-bye. The official Jinx podcast. Listen on Max or wherever you get your podcasts it's all a light-hearted nightmare on our podcast morbid we're your hosts i'm alina urquhart and i'm ash kelly and our show is part true crime part spooky and part comedy the stories we cover are well researched he claimed and confessed to officially killing up to 28 people. With a touch of humor.

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wondery app or on apple podcasts let's do it uh let's go back we gotta go back in time again here uh go back spinning clocks are turning we're thunder we're turning upside down yeah that's my always time thing for me it is we're smoking clouds hey whoa we're doing one of those like a bill and ted style time in a phone booth time warp no i think we're free going we're just spinning around we're spinning you can see that it's like purple in there there's a vortex of some kind you can see you know how you know what we're talking about you see it we're in there we're going all the way back to 1993 no so think about this 93 wu-tang is coming out right now a lot of memories of it's uh you know what movies are out in 1993 bill and ted that

was years before that this is like was it yeah yeah this is like that shit those space jam coming out in 90s space jam was around this time there was a bunch of boring shit out to english patient and all that crap oh yeah this was this was a the early early 90s era of like boring fucking movie and this was right before the big indie explosion in 94, 95. It just kind of started now. There was a few things that were coming out, but then Clerks came out in 94, and a bunch of shit came out in 94, 95. And then Adam Sandler started making his horse shit.

Jesus Christ, yeah. Billy Madison. Billy Madison and Happy Gilmore, and then the rest of the crap. So we're going all the way back to June 29th, 1993. Where were you, Jimmy? June 29th, 1993. In Phoenix. In Phoenix.

Fucking sweating my balls off. It's June. It's June. It's miserable. So you were probably hating your life at this age. 12 years old, figuring out why I've got all this hair on my dick. What happened? His son's just lost.

Yeah. Literally like two weeks ago, his son's just lost. Yeah. Literally like, oh, two weeks ago, his son's just lost in the finals. Jimmy's a sad little guy right now. Sad little Jimmy walking around Phoenix. In a dirt backyard. We didn't have a basketball hoop. We had a milk crate that we took the bottom out of

and fucking nailed nails to the roof. Like in the drug-free zone on the wire. Is that a thing? Yeah, they had one of those. I was just looking at like a Cambodian village. Yeah, this wasfree zone on the wire? Is that a thing? Yeah, they had one of those. I was just looking at a Cambodian village. Yeah, this was... Well, the wire... The free zone and the wire and a Cambodian...

And where the Khmer Rouge are ruling the day are pretty much on equal ground. Very similar. It was very similar places. It really was. Shamrock Farms plastic crate with a metal bottom so the metal fucking... You could rip it out oh good and the plastic frame held still so you could hammer that to the eve of your house oh yeah and then i mean at 12 well the fact that nobody minded that you would hammer a crate to your house tells

you a lot about where i live the state of the house and the state of what's going on right there you know what i mean that tells you a lot right there because if your kids said to you i'm gonna hammer this milk crate to your fucking fascia board you'd say are you out of your goddamn mind go to dicks we'll get a little basket you can hang it over your door frame no yeah you're not nailing things to my home are you crazy that's what you would say to your kid no that is not happening best of luck motherfucker it's stucco they're like well at least he's not bothering us you know so okay anyway so yeah we're june 29th 1993 it's a friday about 12 30 p.m so noon in in mississippi here uh there's a young lady uh named christy ray and she's 20 years old and she's a college

student she also works at a bank uh you know to make ends meet at night and she goes to uh community college and works at a bank her mom works at a bank as well and uh she works there at the same time uh part-time it's at the sunburst bank that must be quote the bank or the or the competitor of the citizens bank yeah yeah your ticket that's true god or maybe this bank i bet Citizens took them over. Oh, hostile takeover in 96. Hostile takeover. Oh, it's coming, guys.

Watch out, Sunburst. Going down. Coming for you. We're coming for you. So she was a student there. She works part-time. So she's a student at Northeast Mississippi Community College. Works part-time at the Sunburst Bank where her mom works.

Nice girl. Hard working. Typical thing. Figuring life out. She's working. Yeah, she's working. She's going to school. She's doing her thing. works part-time at the sunburst bank where her mom works yeah nice girl you know typical thing yeah figuring life out she's working yeah she's she's working she's going to school she's doing her thing so at about 5 15 bank closes at 5 5 15 people are ready to leave the employees uh her and her mother mary they leave the bank and uh they're supposed to get back together christy has to do some shit she's 20 she's going she's going to supposed to go see her boyfriend or things like that and uh she's supposed to uh uh you know leave her mom and then they have plans later on to meet back at their house because christy lives with her mom in uh

chali beat i guess is i don't know how you say that chali beat chali beat i don't know it's right it's like this little town that's like an unincorporated place it's basically on top of walnut so it's basically it's still what counts as walnut anyway statistically here c-h-a-l-y-b-e-a-t-e yeah chalibit chalibita chalibita chalibit we don't know down south how they're going to pronounce this too we never have any idea so i'm not even going to try i know we don't tweet it don't tell us because we are guaranteed i'm never going to go. I know we said it wrong. And don't tweet it. Don't tell us because we are guaranteeing you're never going to go there. I'm never going to talk about this place again. Never. I'll never think about it.

I'll never go there. Never going to happen. So you know what? You can buy tickets to our show in Nashville on April 7th. Drive to three hours from here and tell us there. Then that's fine. You can do that. We'll listen at that point.

Come on over to Charlotte. Then you've earned it. Yeah, come to Charlotte. Then you've earned it. Damn it. So Mary, the mother here, she tries to call her daughter Christy at about 6.45 p.m.

About an hour and a half goes by. Not breaking her balls too much. Giving her some time. But Christy doesn't answer the phone. So Mary, this is not weird for Mary. She's 20 years old. She could be here. She could be there.

93, no cell phones. You're calling houses and locations she might be. Who knows? She's not there. She's running around. She could be at the store. She's got a car. Yeah, she's got a car.

She's got a boyfriend as well, and she knows that. So Mary figures Christy's probably visiting her boyfriend because she's going to go see him for a little while. And mom gets a shutter and hang up the phone. That's what I mean. She gets a shutter. She goes, she peeks in the windows and she goes, look at that. So Mary finally gets to her own house at about 7 p.m. She goes back.

She gets home there and Christy's not home. So she called and she wasn't there. She's not, you know, she doesn't think she's at her boyfriend's, and she's not home. So that's, you know, that's whatever. But she's not alarmed because she's 20 years old. And 20-year-old people, things come up. They might

run into a friend. Right. They might. And a girl? Forget it. Who knows? That's a two-hour conversation. That's the thing. She might have to go grab something or, you know, go to the store quick. I don't know. There's not a lot of options it. Who knows? That's a two-hour conversation. That's the thing. She might have to go grab something or go to the store quick. I don't know. There's not a lot of options here. She might have went to the video store to pick up the English patient or whatever the fuck came out in 1993.

Yeah, hung up in the new releases. That's it. You got all hung up in there looking at those 80s horror movies. You know how it goes. You just get lost in there. 80s horror is so good. It's so cheesy and wonderful. It's so good. I love it. People's Horror is so good. It's so cheesy and wonderful. It's so good.

I love it. I just want to see people's heads explode. Yeah. That's hilarious. So anyway, Mary walks into her house. Yeah. Daughter not there. She just walks in casually.

Okay, where's Christy? But no big deal. Until she finds a note on the table that is not, you know, that wasn't there before. Yeah. So she first sees a note. She goes, oh, maybe it's from Christy. Yeah. Left me a note.

That would make a lot of sense. She stopped by, left the note, took off. Video store holding her hostage for those late fees, huh? Yeah, that's what it is. You're like, listen. Come on back down. We will not tolerate. We have your children.

Bring us the videos. Bring us the Robert De Niro version of Cape Fear that you have, because we know that's what you rented in 1990. Bring it back. Bring it to us. No, this note contains a crude map, and it reads, quote, There will be a red flag somewhere on this block Tuesday, 12 midnight, $15,000 in gym bag or she dies. police that's what the note says it's a ransom so it's a ransom note yeah a red flag some so he's gonna stick a red flag somewhere on the street and that's the place to put 15 000 in a gym bag or she dies no police so that's what it says so uh

mary uh starts looking around for signs of anything of what you know might have happened here she sees that christy's purse is here and christy's not here which anytime there's a woman missing that's always the first thing they say is if our purse is here well yeah they know that she's got her shit in there she's not going to leave without it to go anywhere so if someone leaves their purse they were probably forced away or had to flee either one it's probably not a voluntary it was a hasty departure a hasty departure is a good way to put it yeah so uh she then goes into christy's room and her room is all in disarray which is not like christy as well she says she's very organized her room is not messy uh she goes in their rooms in disarray and the phone is dead as well so dead phone room in disarray

ransom note uh you know clearly she ran away from home obvious now so it's this is a problem obviously we're looking at this as uh uh she's getting worried yeah it's an understatement so mary leaves the house and she drives to walnut she stops at christy's boyfriend's house first i don't know why at this point she's stopping driving anywhere hasn't she called the police immediately police call i found a ransom note disarray dead phone kids purse here they did say no police they did well that's the thing so i i think maybe she's trying to gather what's going on i don't know i think i'm calling the police immediately here so she leaves the house she drives to walnut she stops at her boyfriend christy's boyfriend's house brian mathis uh so that's his name christy

is not there so where does she go next the video rental store i swear to god to return it she went to the video store christy apparently worked part-time there on the weekend sometimes as well so she said hey maybe christy stopped by there to dick around, talk to the coworkers, and pick out a couple movies or whatever. You don't understand. If you're too young to remember the video store, you could spend two hours there. It was just wandering. You know how now you just look through Netflix and Hulu for hours?

Imagine these were all physical boxes that you could then pick up and look at the back of and read. It takes forever searching you're doing on netflix is what we did in aisles and then by the time you pick out your movies now you're walking through wait online like a mousetrap maze yeah more movies of not just more movies but pre-owned that you are previewed that you can buy yeah 5.99 yeah all the it's too much it's a lot for the chocolate covered i was gonna say big popcorn oh jesus goddamn raisinets and shit up there it's a goobers it's a nightmare more money on on snackables than you got in movies nightmare yeah that's that's the thing there so uh this is a mess though so she's looking around she doesn't find her uh so from there mary finally picks up the phone and calls her husband not the police

what is she doing I don't know what she's doing I would say she calls her husband Tommy and then she calls 911 I'm sure Tommy said what the fuck are you calling me for is my name officer Tommy no right I'm your husband I think you know I'm not a member of the police department

maybe call them because it sounds like our daughter's fucking missing and probably kidnapped. So I would say maybe get them on the horn. Can you imagine? Okay. Tommy, I'm trying to call the cops. Are you one now that I didn't know about? In all the things you've described to me, you didn't, you skipped the part where you

called the police before you called me. Oh, you did? Okay. So you're, why? So we're hanging up right now. Why? Yeah. So, I mean, we don't't know i don't know what this feels like so i mean and the thing is she's 20 yeah that i think is the main difference i think if she's 12 she it's i don't know police immediately woman i'm

calling yeah no a woman's missing i'm calling the police but 20 i think i don't care i don't know if she's trying to not be over whatever but a ransom note why would there be a ransom note zero to 90 i'm calling the police a ransom note a purse a room in disarray a dead phone all these things equal pro i don't care if it's a 38 year old man who's a jujitsu world champion i'm still probably calling the police it sounds like there's some problems so it's not a matter of weakness or whatever whoever it is the general target happens to be women so i'm fucking calling right away i'm just saying i walk into that scene that i've just described whoever the fucking missing whoever the subject is i'm just as worried there's a problem maybe she lives her life like you because if you if i can't find you i'm

like i'm gonna fucking want some time yeah i'm probably yeah yeah but if you want some peace and quiet if you came over and there was a ransom note you might think differently right james this is elaborate james is really wanting some time alone he must really need some sleep or something he knows there's no fucking way i'm putting 15 grand on he's trying to disappear he knows i don't have 15 000,000. This isn't for me. This isn't for me. I'll leave it alone and walk away. I'm going to have to sell everything I own

to get this motherfucker back. Maybe someone with $15,000 will come along and spring him. I'm going to leave it right here. I don't want to disturb anything. He knows I don't have 15 grand. This ain't for me. It's probably not for me.

That's what I'm going to say. It's probably for somebody else. I'm going to leave it here. I'll let him have his piece. He'll call me when he gets back it's all right he'll be fine i'm sure he'll be fine someone but that's what it is if you were disappeared i couldn't get a hold of you i'd probably give it a few hours that's because it's me though you know me you know me too i'm a little more maybe i text sarah james okay james asleep did we get him some sleep right is he in a well check by a chance breathing right so uh this is a little different though yeah so this is her daughter obviously which makes it more worrisome i have an 18 year old daughter if i can't find her and there's a

ransom note you're calling calling the goddamn cops pretty quick. Pretty goddamn fast. So they call the Tippa County Sheriff's Department, and they do a preliminary kind of ask around. They hear about the ransom note. Once they hear about that, it's kind of out of their jurisdiction. Once there's ransom notes involved, they contact the FBI. Because I don't know if they're not even set up. I don't know how they would investigate this, too. That's the other thing. Some of these, and especially in 1993, it's been a little bit better now.

Since 9-11, every police department got a different kind of budget thing, different things for testing. There's more to it, but in these smaller counties, the investigation resources are really not there. The people a lot of times don't have the training to do this and in this type of thing the lack of training could mean the difference between finding someone alive and finding someone dead isn't it crazy how big deal how short of a time it's been that these guys actually communicate with each other that's

what's fucking crazy oh yeah they don't come and they still don't all the time right and it's part of hubris and ego of wanting to be the one responsible. It's all ego. How about you just find the justice and give it to us, you fucks? No, no. That's not what we're here for. You bunch of jerks. Because everybody's got an ego.

And they want to be the one to do the thing and find the guy and be the hero. And it's, you know, I mean, it's human nature. Is it people that become cops haven't been humbled enough through life? What the fuck is that? I don't know. You know what? That's the other thing, too, that I found. Like like i've known cops and a lot of things like that there's such it's such a varying different yeah you can't put a personality on a large group of people like

cops that are dicks i know cops that are amazing i mean i know cops that are like oh fuck these people that are you know like fuck the people like the cops who are you know overly uh law and order like get the fuck out you relax and i know cops that are very you know, like, fuck the people, like, the cops who are, you know, overly law and order. Like, get the fuck out of here. Relax. And I know cops that are very by the book and straight and crew cut and all. There's no set personality. The personality is someone who would like a steady paycheck and health insurance. That's the personality.

That's literally what it is. Like, on the wire. There you go. The chick who's season two, the cop who worked at the docks who they end up taking in on their detail here, they said, what made you become police? And she said they were starting at 36 grand a year plus benefits. She, I have two kids. So, you know, that's literally what it was.

So that's it. So that's what it was. That's what a lot of people, some people start there. Some people really want to do that. Some people like adventure. So there's a million really want to do that. Some people like adventure. There's a million different reasons for doing that, so you never know. Some people just want to shoot somebody.

Some people, yeah. Some people are, I've known that type of guy. Sure. And then there's the type of person who just wants some authority, and those are usually the type that they try to weed out of these departments. That's why they have psychological testing. The weird-ass questions. The weird, yeah. When when you defecate do you get an erection they actually

ask you that when you want to be a police officer i think you should i think we should know that we should know if you shitting makes you hard i feel like maybe we should look further in here a little bit you know what i mean depending on your answer this next doesn't disqualify you but it's gonna it's gonna open you up to a few follow-ups i feel like then what happens you want to be around cops a lot uh depending on the answer to this next question uh we're gonna find out which side yeah let's figure out where you're gonna end up you're gonna be around cops a lot either way a lot of guys in uniform and men and women in uniform but uh we'll find out exactly which ones. So Mary returns home at this point. She comes home, and now she starts looking around the house.

She probably should wait for the FBI to get there. Yeah, don't touch anything. Still, she starts looking around the house for clues. When the FBI gets there, she can say, I found this, I found this, I found this. She wants her daughter, so it's hard to just sit there and go, okay, I guess I'll just found this, I found this. She wants her daughter. So it's hard to just sit there and go, okay, I guess I'll just wait. You're going to want to find stuff out. You need information. You found the key part

which is a goddamn ransom note. She also finds the forced entry. She finds signs of forced entry. She finds a screen over the window in Christy's room has been cut out and that pallets have been stacked up leaning against the house outside the window. There's a little ladder there to climb in.

So she also, later on, Mary finds out when she's been through the house a little more, finds out that someone has been through one of the drawers in her and her husband's bedroom as well. That's been rifled as well. So signs of a break-in and it looks like a break-in looking for shit and end up dragging christy away is the way it looks or who knows at this point so uh the same day uh same exact day that while this is all going on simultaneously uh these other

people here know nothing about what's happening with mary and christy and all this shit this is a totally separate place now. What's this place? It's in Walnut. Oh, an entirely different house. A different house in Walnut here. In a different house in Walnut, there's a guy named Charles Ray Crawford. Yeah.

At this point, he is about 27 years old. He's had some problems, as we'll talk about, in his past. Mental problems, criminal problems, some issues. I can relate. Yeah. No, you can't, actually. No. Not your kind of guy.

Let's put it that way. You don't want to say my kind of guy on this guy quite yet because you can't relate to the shit he's done. You've had mental problems like, I'm a little depressed. Yeah. He's had mental problems like, um well let's find out exactly what his problems make him do not the same thing they make you do be a little sad and eat too much this is and drink a little much this is where and drink wine in the tub this is different

jimmy turns into a 51 year old woman when he's sad. He's just like, I'm going to drink wine in the tub. Have a good cry. Have a good cry. I'm going to light some candles. It's better than the alternative, man. I got some lavender candles. And you know what? It's just this day has just been too much. Me in a bath, busy.

Oh, my God. And I got my bottle of red. My Kindle. I'm going to catch up on my novel here. I got my Amazon speaker. I'm going to let somebody tell me a story tell me a story chelsea good cry tell me about how disappointed you are tells me it turns into a 51 year old lady who's a little sad

so uh this is charles ray crawford this guy uh he lives with his family now his family discovers in their attic a ransom note okay this is a similar ransom note to the one found by mary ray and he has no idea about these people who found it don't know about that that's happening there they just find a ransom note in their attic and think it is uh think it's Crawford, the thing about Crawford, this is on a Friday. The next Monday, three days later, he is scheduled to start trial, not as an attorney, as a defendant, for assault and rape. Okay?

So he is on trial. He's out on bail now, and he's about to begin a trial for assault and rape after this weekend so uh uh crawford's mother uh and his wife he's a married man by the way his mother his wife and his grandfather all report this note to crawford's attorney uh just say i don't know what's going on but we found a ransom note in the attic. He is obviously up on these charges and has got trial for Monday. He's probably not in a real rational state, and we're afraid this ransom note might have who knows what kind of ramifications. Is he going to give this to someone?

Is he going to go kidnap someone? They're worried he's going to do worse shit, and they don't want him to do worse shit. So rather than just sit on it and pretend it didn't happen, they actually contact his attorney and everything like that so uh his attorney contacts law enforcement officials and uh says hey heads up my guy who you know a little bit of a tearaway as you might want to call him uh he's not convicted yet he's a cut up uh we got we got a couple of weeks that we had to deal with got some issues we both know that he's got some issues we'll put it that way he's certainly suspected of having

worse issues yeah you might want to know about this and uh they go very interesting once they get the note because they go this is the same type of note that we found at christy ray's house we told you it's the same thing same thing it's like it's the same note yeah just a different wording different girl the same name the same note maybe a practice note i might have did this and said i don't like the way that's worded and did it a different first draft for a while first draft he just leaves it in the attic he's a fucking writer notes written in the fucking the thing is is he's a perfectionist yeah and he's a writer that's the other thing you know how it is with writers it's a perfection thing first draft i don't like this couple of words crossed the syntax i'm not quite sure this should be here

you know what i'm burying the lead i'm burying the lead uh i want money that should be it you know what though a map i think that might be awful that tells me that's what i'm most concerned about is this money green flag ah it's a bad color it's green it's gonna blend into the grass they're not gonna be able to see it red pops that's gonna pop on green grass okay red all right we got this just cross out green okay second draft notes in the media that's how it works notes in the margin there you go that's the word so whatever it is so uh the next day this attorney his law clerk a guy named Sean Akins, he meets with law enforcement officials and turns over some medical records of Charles Crawford's here. Chuck is what everybody calls him. Chuck.

Chuck Crawford. These officials here were basically this is a weird thing because he has without his consent. His attorneys have turned over medical records to the police who are investigating a crime. That is not. That seems terrible. That's you're not supposed to do that. That's he has. He has to consent unless it's a court order.

He has consent over whether his medical records are going to be released to anybody, especially the especially law enforcement. That's what I mean. That's yeah, that's that's the last one. I mean, that's, yeah, that's the last one you, you know, in the Constitution you're supposed to be protected from, especially having your medical records seized by law enforcement against your will and without a court order. It's like a huge one in there. It's kind of the point. It's big. It's big.

So it's a big deal. Medical records are your private files to the max. Fuck yeah. They're the most private thing there is. So they were trying, the officials said they were trying to determine, this is their official word here, their line. They were trying to determine whether Crawford was capable of kidnapping Christie. So they needed his medical records to see if he was capable of it, which makes no sense.

Yeah, it's not. You don't know about your liver enzymes? Well, medical includes mental health records as well this is not just uh this isn't just physical is he capable is he yeah yeah not is he like a paraplegic right he's a advanced ms i don't think he could do it he's got he's got luke eric's disease he's been in bedridden for the last month and a half i doubt that's why they're doing it so uh they the police uh the local and federal authorities, establish a command post to find Christy.

So this is an all-points bulletin, red flag, full siren. Girl-missing. Bring everybody in command post situation at the Chally Beat School, I guess. I'm going to say the word again. I'm going to say it again. I guess there's only one K through 12. This is the next day, the Saturday, the next day. They also authorities, they station law enforcement officers at the residence of Crawford's former father in law as well, for some reason. I think maybe he'll go there. So because they can't find him either. So they're like, maybe he'll go there. They have officers at Christie's house. They have officers at his house.

This is all they have going on is to find Christie. So all hands on deck here, which is good. The officers report seeing Crawford approach the residence at one point of his ex-father-in-law. And the officers proceeded to the place where he was seen after that and uh when they do uh uh the deputies and a bunch of fbi agents wait for him and uh uh he ends up coming back there again on saturday and as he's he comes up he's carrying a double barrel shotgun and a switchblade why that's a good question uh they'd like to sure they'd sure like to know and uh to find out they go let's uh that's a pray tell sir why do you have a double

barrel shotgun and a switchblade that seems like uh overkill to say the least so uh they say you know what let's take him in and find out he's going to trial monday anyway i shouldn't have that i was gonna say if he's on bail for uh assault and rape he's probably not allowed to have switchblades and shotguns just wandering the streets so let's probably just take him in and find some shit out and definitely not allowed to have ransom notes no that's a fact you can't have those usually that's a it's really incriminating super it's bad so uh so they bring him in now who the fuck is charles ray crawford who is this lunatic we'll give you a little background because at this point he just seems like from the very scant

details that we've given you he's just this crazy oh he's a lunatic town maniac basically uh but he has a history of mental issues uh from as early as six years old he experienced hallucinations he experienced hallucinations blackout spells uh periods of uh you know losing his time shit like that like uh you know like uh fight club style yeah like losing his mind and uh uncontrollable fears where he'd have like these terror he'd go like in a corner and he couldn't control the terrors but they're just daycare just terrors basically this is from the age of six this starts happening so he's got mental issues obviously we don't know if he's got head injuries or anything like that too we don't know if he fell out of a swing or something or somebody just hits him around that's

the other thing if somebody beats the shit out of him who knows uh he would uh experience visual hallucinations at that point too which was a big deal and blackout spells that would last anywhere from a few minutes to a half hour wow which is a freaky shit as a kid i would think uh as a parent i meant what i meant as if you're your kid in front of you like 30 minutes what do you do with this yeah and this is uh wow how would you even deal with that as a parent something tells me i don't know what you do like i sleeping again i guess i don't know if they were me i don't know what you do like ah he's sleeping again yeah that's i don't know if they were just i don't know he he nailed a milk crate up to the fascia board and then he went and fell asleep i don't know what the hell he's doing must have been damn tired must have been tired it's he had to climb up some pallets to get there nailed it to the to the

blackout spells that seems like a lot my word that seems like a lot of blackout yeah a lot of blackout here uh he's first treated by a psychiatrist at age 10 uh when he was prescribed phenobarbital as a medication what is that it's a no it's it's they used to use it for uh psychiatric issues i'm trying to think of exactly what it is but i don't know how to put it i'm not positive and i don't want to mischaracterize it and then have 10 people fucking to think of exactly what it is, but I don't know how to put it. Anti-psychotic? I'm not positive, and I don't want to mischaracterize it and then have 10 people fucking tweet it. That's what it is. But they gave it to him.

Bento fentanyl? Fento... Phenobarbital. There it is. Yeah. From what I understand, it was pretty commonly prescribed back in the 70s,

back then here. Yeah, he was 10, and he was also, when he was 10, he was hospitalized in uh he was also when he was 10 he was hospitalized in the east mississippi state hospital uh for psychiatric issues at 10 and then in 1989 and then again in 1989 he was hospitalized for issues and then in 1991 he was uh hospitalized at a psychiatric facility in Memphis as well.

So this is a pretty strong history of psychiatric troubles here. In 1989, he attempted suicide. That's how he ended up in the East Mississippi State Hospital. He underwent six weeks of testing, and the discharge diagnosis were bipolar disorder, manic type or manic phase phase and substance abuse by history so uh he was prescribed an antidepressant uh decerel i don't know if this is before yeah this is 89 so this is before i really got into before prozac came out in the mid 90s and all that shit so i don't know what that is uh and lithium carbonate which is a mood stabilizer so he's

getting lithium and some old school antidepressants so basically yeah he's going to be a limp dick zombie at this point drooling from the from the mouth at all times because that's uh not that that's bad but i mean those are pretty heavy medications yeah probably back then i assume they went hard on him they did everything other than a lobotomy at this point that's what i mean i assume like that that antidepressant was probably not as good as a modern antidepressant, had more side effects. And when you say good, just less side effects and more active ingredient that makes them work better. Yeah, that too. So two years later, though, that's when he was in the Memphis Mental Health Institute for two weeks,

where he was again diagnosed with bipolar disorder so seems like he's bipolar i would say yeah two different census view two hospital stints multiple uh two different hospital teams have both concluded that's what he has probably what he's got they looked at him for weeks at a time in a controlled laboratory environment you know in a clinical environment i feel like two clinical doctors agree yeah teams jimmy whole teams it's a it's a unit it's not just one guy or one lady it's a whole team so uh april 13th 1991 uh this is where we go up to he's been in the mental hospital earlier that year and uh in memphis and april 13th there's a young lady named nicole cutbirth she's a 16 year old high school student around there in walnut mississippi uh she is riding around with a uh

17 year old friend of hers named they give her a fake name in the court documents uh here they call her sue they said they're riding around in Walnut, Mississippi. They're Sue and Nicole. On bikes or in a car? In a car. Okay. And riding around in a car. Nicole is 16 years old. Sue is 17 years old.

Sue is Crawford's ex-sister-in-law. So she's Chuck's ex-sister-in-law, little sister of his ex-wife. Crawford was married to her older sister, Janet Roberts. Janet and crawford divorced and he remarried another woman like the 93 that he's married to still and uh then they had a son together and then they also divorced and then in april of 1991 right this time that this is going on crawford had began seeing janet again so basically, this is to Sue. This is her ex-brother-in-law

and her sister's current boyfriend. It's a lot. Probably future brother-in-law. He's been around for a few years. She's 17. Since she was a little kid, this guy's been around in her sister's life. So this is not someone that she would be afraid of

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crawford there and they went over to ask if he would help them put fluid in the car because that's, you know, they know him. And he might know more about cars than they do being 16-year-old girls. Where's this go? They weren't real interested in it. Yeah. So Crawford had his young son with him at the time. This man has children. Yes, he does.

That is disturbing. Crawford agreed, and he told the girls to drive over to the ballpark. There was a ballpark near there by a park and they did and crawford met them there and he put uh he put the fluid in the car and while it was pouring in you know he put the thing up and whatever uh crawford uh he tells sue that he needed to talk to her about something but he didn't want to say what it was right there in front of nicole presumably or his kid or whatever. He just said, I don't want to say what it is right now,

but I need to talk to you about something. So Sue just assumes this is something about her sister or something, whatever, who knows. Maybe, just maybe, he feels bad about things have always gone down with Janet. And he's trying to set up the ultimate romantic weekend. He's got some questions to ask. He needs her help. He's like

listen you're gonna be the one to spread the rose petals yeah you're gonna have to do it i bought get in before we get there i bought 40 dozen right so it's you're gonna have i mean i want it shit load carpet that sumbitch carpet it fill the bathtub halfway with rose but i want her to bathe in rose petals and then i need you to light five six hundred candles i don't know it's gonna it's gonna look like a stevie nicks video put it that way it's just gonna be candles everywhere and everywhere i want american beauty mixed with stevie that's what i want i want this 1979 american beauty style that's what i'm looking for just rose petals everywhere gritty love it's gonna be amazing i'm on. My butt crack's going to smell like

roses for like six weeks because it's just going to be rolling around in them. That's what I'm looking for. So maybe she thinks that's what it is. Who knows? So later that evening, though, so she said, OK, cool. We'll talk later. He finishes putting the fluid in the car, takes his kid. They wave goodbye. Everybody

goes their separate directions. OK, later that evening, the girls are still driving around. There nothing to do in walnut by the way and they're driving around what else do you do when i was 16 i drove around a lot too we did this hours at a time the big city i did the same thing yeah everybody drives around uh so they spot crawford again they spot chuck they flash their lights and tell them you know, pull over. It's a sign. We see you. We see you. So Sue goes over and asks Crawford what he wanted to talk to her about. So Crawford said they needed to get out of Walnut to talk because his ex-wife, Gail, might find out that he was talking to her and stop him from seeing his son.

So he's got a kid with this Gail, and he if gail sees me talking to you she's gonna think i'm banging around with janet again and she's gonna keep my son away from me and it's a real white trash soap opera yeah is what's happening here so uh they need to get out of walnut we can't be seen together so he said meet me at the cemetery no which is fucking no pardon are you out of your mind how many other places are We could meet at the video store The tanning salon We could meet at the bank We could meet at the citizens bank

We could meet anywhere There's so many places to meet Dude So many places Anywhere Isn't Eckbert playing somewhere tonight? I think let's go find Patrick N. Swayze And he'll shield us from your ex-wife

Let's go get some live music And we'll have a little chat on the patio Of whatever The fucking cemetery. The cemetery. Meet me at the cemetery. We've only had that one time in this and it did not go well. And I'm trying to think.

He's like 24. I don't know. But I mean, they don't think it's threatening because it's his sister's boyfriend. It's the sister's boyfriend. It's weird. I'm not meeting anybody after hours in the cemetery. I'm if some ever no ever so meet me at the cemetery goodbye you're out of my life they go meet him at the cemetery uh they they

find him there chuck's parked at the cemetery they pull their car next to him and uh roll the window down uh his son's not with him anymore crawford has dropped off his kid and uh he tells sue to get in the truck so they can talk so here hop in you know get on in here so sue does uh and uh crawford told her that uh crawford tells sue that her boyfriend sue's boyfriend has pictures of sue that are quote pretty bad yeah is what he tells her uh crawford also tells her that he had gotten the pictures from her boyfriend and planned to get rid of them, but thought that Sue should know about this,

that her boyfriend has some pretty bad pictures, I assume of a sexual nature, I would imagine, that her boyfriend not only took and has, but is now giving away to other folks in town. I want to see my girlfriend's tits. Yeah. Well, you can keep that. I got copies like this is a Polaroid.

So how did you copy this? Yeah, it's a little bit strange. Yeah. It's weird. Oh, we got so many of them. She just pictures of that Polaroid a lot. Yes. Over and over.

It's like a it's like a copy of a videotape. It just gets all real. It's like a ghost at the end. What is that? So an old VHS tape. A copy of a copy of a copy. Yeah, Jesus, this thing is grainy. So obviously, Crawford says, I'm going to get rid of these pictures.

I just kept them to show you. So Sue says, well, give me the fucking pictures. I want these pictures that you have. I'm going to try to collect all of them. treat them like pokemon let's start with the ones you got here so you seem willing to part with them he says that the pictures were at his house and that she should tell nicole that they needed to ride to his house so you know we should you know you should tell nicole either she's got to go home or she's going to come with us but unless she wants to sit in the cemetery parking lot by herself she's going to. Either come with me to my wax shed or stay here.

Or stay here. Either one. Yeah. Your call. Your call. Dealer's choice. I got naked pictures of your teenage friends. So you can come back to my wax shed and get them naked teenage pictures.

Or you could hang here in the cemetery parking lot at night. Be right back. That's really a fucking head scratcher if you're her you go i don't know uh is there a drifter i can talk to or sit with for a while is there anybody else is there like a crackhead i can get with or is there like a cut my leg off in option three what are we talking about registered sex offender whose house i can go to for a while to wait it out or anything like that give me door number three monty where's the goat this is all terrible yeah give me that goat walking around i like how they used to put like hay and shit in there too like it's staying in there for hours and days at a time meanwhile i love goats so much if i was ever on that show i'd be like pay up monty i won that goat walking out with a

thing on a leash fuck you think that's not a booby prize by monty i won that goat walking out with a thing on a leash fuck you think that's not a booby prize by the way i love it it's still pissing this thing does nothing but piss and shit shit pellets all the way up your aisle all the way up the aisle shit pellets everywhere so my goat jesus christ so uh he said that he should tell uh nicole that they needed to ride to his house so they get into nico Nicole gets, Sue and Nicole both get in Crawford's truck rather than follow him there. And they drive, he drives them to his house. They drive by the school.

As they drive by the school, Crawford asks them to, quote, scrunch down in the truck so no one would see them, you know, for fear of his, you know, baby mama getting angry here. So he then parks nearby, near an abandoned house, instead of parking at his house, which is an odd move. What the fuck is happening? He doesn't want to be seen at his house. It's all very clandestine.

He's the creepiest fucking man ever. Meet me at the cemetery. Come home to my wagon shed. We're going to park an abandoned house. So I can give you naked pictures of your own teen body. That's highly illegal in every way, shape, and form. That I have not described to you how I became to be in possession of them. Well, your boyfriend gave them to me.

Right. I took them from him because he does not need to have them. He's giving away whacking material all over town. You should see him. He's giving it out. So they park. Crawford here. Chuck tells Nicole to stay in the car and told Sue to walk inside. He's giving it out. So they park Crawford here.

Chuck tells Nicole to stay in the car and told Sue to walk inside. Like, you stay in the car. It's a private thing with Sue here. So Sue and Crawford get back, go into the house. They get inside the back door of the house. Crawford stops and tells Sue to stay here so he can make sure nobody's home. This is all very private. This is your house, motherfucker. That's right.

So Sue sees him walking around the house. And she's like, all right, just waiting. He gets back to her. And she's like, okay, where are the pictures? And he says, right here. But instead of the pictures, he pulls a gun out and puts it to Sue's head. Oh, boy. So things have changed drastically here.

Very, very quickly. quickly rapid it's gone from wow this guy's doing me a favor helping me out my boyfriend's a real scumbag this isn't a favor at all no i am in a a fucking house with no one else and this guy with a gun to my head crawford says if you do what i tell you and don't yell no one will get hurt so he tells sue to get on the floor uh she does she she asks, why are you doing this? Crawford told her to shut up, which is not the answer you're looking for in that situation. He then taped her mouth shut with duct tape and told her to put her hands behind her back. And he taped her hands together behind her back.

This is not great, obviously, what's happening here. Let's, you know, this is not going to be good. So then here, bro, pre warning. you know, this is not going to be good. So then here, pro pre warning. Crawford then pulls Sue by her tape, leads her through the kitchen into a bedroom. He takes off. He takes off her shoes. He loosens the tape.

This is goddamn. He she loosens the tape on her around her mouth by licking and getting those, you know, making it whatever. So she could speak to him. She told Crawford that he couldn't touch her because she was on a period. She's like, oh, my period. Get away from me. You can't rate me or whatever. So he tells her that he would, quote, take care of it, which is not what you want to hear again. So, yes, he he takes her clothes off and he has sex with her

obviously against her will uh and you know everything else oh boy horrible so uh afterwards sue being a really nice person apparently asks her asks chuck not to hurt nicole it's like leave nicole alone so he tells Chuck tells her not to move, and he goes outside. Sue hears some noises, and then hears Crawford come back inside the house. Crawford runs into the bedroom and says that somebody's there.

He grabs Sue, and they run out of the house. As they run out of the house, Crawford said, what have I done? We've got to get out of here. Somebody's here. So when they get back to the truck sue doesn't see nicole but she did see a hammer but not nicole yeah uh not great uh it's not a repeated he didn't turn her into a hammer he's not magic so sue asked crawford

where nicole is and he says that he had uh hit nicole and that she ran away oh jesus that's what he said so crawford then looks at sue and says what am i what have i done janet is going to hate me uh which i you're well beyond janet's gonna hate you at this point everybody's gonna hate you um except the guys in prison they're gonna like you a lot they're gonna love they're gonna like you uh sue then responded by saying please don't hurt me uh so Crawford and Sue walked back toward the house and he untapes her. She was able to put her clothes back on when they went back in the house.

Crawford then handed Sue the gun and told her to shoot him, which is a definite twist that doesn't happen a lot in these games. We've never heard this before. You've got your chance. Sue told him that she couldn't shoot him. Why? I don't, 17 years old she's a southern and she's a nice girl she's don't hurt my friend she's a nice kid she's scared shitless uh but i wish she would have shot him

uh so she said i can't do it and crawford said that he needed to see janet i need to see your sister so he asked her to go to Memphis, Tennessee with him to see Janet. She says she would. What? She says she'll go because she's worried that if she doesn't go, he's going to hurt her when he gets there. So she thinks she's so nice. She thinks that I can in the drive from here to Memphis an hour and 15 minutes. I can calm him down enough to where he won't hurt my sister.

Otherwise, I mean, you can do it right now. Yeah, but I can shoot him. He's ready. There you go. Kneecap his ass and then go. I can't kill you Otherwise, I'm not having no control. I mean, you could do it right now. Yeah, but he... Fucking shoot him. He's ready. There you go. Kneecap his ass and then go, I can't kill you, but I can sure fucking hurt you. I can immobilize you. You're going to limp for a while.

Then again, she's probably not a good shot with a handgun in this situation because... Legs are skinny. And also, anybody would be a little shaky from everything that's happened to this poor girl. Jesus Christ. I can't imagine. So Sue and Crawford,

they get back in Crawford's truck and began driving on back roads toward memphis on the way they stop at a guy named barry king's house and crawford asked to borrow his car because he said he knew the law would be looking for him because you know he hit nicole with a fucking hammer and she ran away right so that'll happen cops will want to talk to you when you hit 16 year old girls in the head with a fucking hammer for no reason so uh this guy said no you can't borrow my car uh but told crawford to go ask a guy named jackie brooks if he could borrow his vehicle he can't borrow mine but maybe this guy will let you do that so crawford and sue drive over to that guy's house crawford asked jackie to borrow his truck because he said, I'm running from the law. So now we got a Duke boy situation where he's like, I'm running.

I got Enos and Roscoe and the whole damn. They're all on my ass here. I need to borrow the general. He's hot. They know all they know what it looks like. So this guy says, no, you're not fucking borrowing my truck. Shit. No, you're going to borrow my truck to run from the law.

No, I'm not getting it back sounds like no it sounds like i'm gonna get it's gonna be wrapped around a telephone pole when i get it back no thank you those videos but he says i will drive you to memphis though oh so not like i don't want to get involved i'll get involved i'm your friend but you got a friend in me it's you got that right this is almost way more of an inconvenience. I'd be like, just take my truck. I don't know. It's insured. I'm not driving a Memphis with you.

I suppose. Get out of here. You and a teenage girl who looks frightened? No thanks. I don't know. It feels like an insurance company would find a way to not pay for that. That's okay. How nice of a truck could it be?

Who cares? So he tells Crawford to park his truck behind my house. He says, park your truck behind my house so the law won't see you. So he's all on board for a caper, this guy here. So Brooks and his wife, this guy's wife, he brings it. My wife's got to come too. They drive

Crawford and Sue to Memphis. They drop Crawford and Sue off at a guy named Timmy Joyner's house and then they went home. Now, Joyner, who's a friend of crawford's drove crawford and sue to a nearby budget inn and got them a room so now he's got great friends man i don't know what he's done to endear himself to these people even the girl he's just fucking yeah brutally raped is is trying to help him this is everybody in walmart walmart why do i keep calling it that well well i mean shoe fittings so yeah everybody here's so nice yeah if the eight dollar pair of

shoes fits wear it i guess i don't know if the knockoff crocs yeah if the knockoff crocs truck offs there you go so they're in a crock offs fit so now they're in a budget in yeah so joiner leaves the two of them in the room and went back to his house. Crawford asked Sue if she's scared. She says, obviously, dipshit. Yeah, you fucking rate me. And now I'm in a hotel room with you. I'm absolutely horrified.

He said that she shouldn't be scared. She said, Sue says she'd like to talk to Janet. And Crawford began crying and saying he was sorry. Crawford slept on the foot at the foot of the bed holding sue's foot so she wouldn't leave that's how he slept holding their foot yeah at the foot of the bed like latched on her foot so she can't get up and go away i don't like there's some alarm system basically how light of a sleeper is he because i can fall asleep holding anything yeah once i'm out man you can run well you, maybe if you have a teenage.

You're free, darling. If you have a kidnapped teenage girl, you might be a little more sensitive. A little more on edge. Yeah, a little more on edge. Not in a deep, comfortable sleep. Any movement will wake you. Yeah. So the next day, his friend picks him up again, him and Sue, and they drive to a few different

convenience stores where Crawford tries to use the phone. He finally tells Joyner to, quote quote pull over somewhere so he could think uh they pull down a little road and stop crawford begins saying he's going to kill himself joiner calms him down his friend does and crawford tells joiner to take sue to call janet why don't you take her to call her sister she wants to talk to her sister if you want to die get the fuck out of my car yeah ruin my interior i'm gonna take her and you stay here you know if you die in the woods is easy to clean up that's the thing about the woods it's real easy to clean if it rains it's over it's done it's all good so join her and sue leave him there and uh where he

was they drive to a pay phone sue talked to janet and told her that crawford raped her uh janet asked to speak to Joyner again. When Joyner gets off the phone with Janet, he says that he did not understand what was going on, but that Janet told him to tell Crawford to turn himself in to the police. Janet didn't say he raped my sister. He just said tell him to turn himself in to the police. He knows what he fucking did. That's what all Janet does.

I'm going to bed and sleep. Yeah. So Sue cries as they drive back to where crawford is and joiner tells crawford that janet said he should turn himself to the police joiner then drives crawford to a convenience store where crawford crawford dialed 9-1-1 and turned himself into the police he was just like okay you're right she's right uh wow i don't know what i was thinking jesus threw another person you have to do it personally how strong a woman is jesus so joiner takes sue to meet janet and uh sue is taken to a local hospital they do a rape kit they do samples the whole medical thing like that obviously uh

the deputies and everybody else uh they responded to a call yesterday that someone had been hit in the head and they get to Crawford's grandparents' house and they found Nicole lying on a stretcher. She had been knocked out at his house and Nicole told the officers that Sue needed help and that she was at Crawford's house. That's how

she called the cops and found her. They went to Crawford's house. They knocked and yelled, but no one answered the door. The deputies went inside. No one was inside, but they found a used. Oh, Jesus. I don't even want to say this. Not.

Never mind. So they also find a role. What they find. They find Sue's not what they find Sue's tampon. Yes. I didn't want to say that. I mean, you got it. It just sounds.

I don't know. They've also. Well, there's enough other stuff they find a roll of duct tape with hair on it in the kitchen and a strip of duct tape with hair on it in the house there's a lot of evidence is what i meant here the point is sue was not lying to him no she was being honest with him telling him that right she was trying to survive yeah and he was because god knows oh jesus a a guy that's willing to have sex with you and you're willing to have sex with him and you tell him that sometimes they freak out yeah this guy's already clearly off his rocker i want to let him know before he gets in because if he sees it

he might murder me that's the thing he might be angry at me that's i think that's yeah she was she was doing her best to stay alive and survive, which is horrible here. The back door was open and the deputies saw blood on the stairs. They also saw footprints in the garden and followed them to a nearby abandoned house. Outside the house, they found more duct tape with hair. Relatives give a description of Crawford's truck and they put an APB out for the truck, which is now hidden behind a house. They locate the truck behind Brooks's residence. The police, the Memphis Police Department, they find him there when he turns himself

in. They recover a.22 caliber revolver and they apprehend him that he had a gun on him, too. The hair found on the roll of duct tape and various pieces of duct tape found outside Crawford's residence were compared with Sue's hair and Crawford's hair. And some of the hair on the tape matched Sue's hair and some of the tape matched Crawford's residence were compared with Sue's hair and Crawford's hair, and some of the hair on the tape matched Sue's hair, and some of the tape matched Crawford's hair. So that makes sense. When asked if he raped Sue, he responded, wow, quote, I can't honestly say that I didn't, and I can't sit here and tell you that I did.

The only thing that I've got to go by is what she said. I'm not going to lie to you and say I didn't, and I'm not going to turn around and lie and say that i did because i don't know that's his that's his answer it's the worst did you rape her which means yes it did that's he might as well just said yep not even yet yep sure and the fuck did that's basically what he said there uh so he's indicted they go well yeah we'll tell you what since you don't know, we'll just take her word for it. Since you've said you're not sure, let's go ahead and take her word for it

and say you did. And we're going to indict you for kidnapping and rape. And yeah, so also indicted separately for aggravated assault on Nicole because he hit her four times in the back of the head with a framing hammer.

Oh, Jesus. That's what happened to Nicole. Oh, not just once. Oh, no. Four times she was trying to kill her. That in the back of the head with a framing hammer. Oh, Jesus. That's what happened in the car. Not just one. Oh, no. Four teachers are trying to kill her. That's the toughest girl ever. Knocked her out. Probably thought he killed her.

Walked away. Bang, bang, bang. You hit somebody four times in the head with a hammer. They drop. You go, that's that. And you walk away. She was alive. So, yeah.

So he's indicted for aggravated assault on that. And his whole strategy is that he's incompetent to stand trial. And even if he was competent, he was crazy when the crimes were committed because he blacked out. Now, that happened in 91. They let him out on. He's out. What the waiting trial, man? He's out awaiting trial.

This is a dangerous man. Dangerous doesn't describe. Doesn't even begin to describe it. Vicious, terrible man. man dangerous doesn't describe doesn't even begin to describe it vicious terrible man they let him out and he's awaiting trial in 1993 back where we were on that monday and then that friday christy ray disappears wow so that's why his family's concerned and turning in a ransom note they find in the attic to his lawyer uh yeah in addition to this in 93 before we caught up with him in the beginning he suffered a seizure a few months before that and was treated at the hospital and then suffered a second seizure less than two weeks before the trial was set to begin.

And he was prescribed Delantin, which is an anti-epileptic, anti-seizure medication. And at the time, he was taking also lithium with that as well. So 1993, back to Christy Ray. Yes. There. She's missing. She's missing. And we scooped that.

We rolled that around nicely. So, it's been horrible so far. So, upon him getting arrested here, Crawford, they arrest him. And in the car, they ask Crawford, do you recognize me? Because they're like local cops. And he says, yeah, I do. And, you know, y'all have arrested me plenty. So y'all know about me when I was ranting and raving outside the convenience store.

You know, when he kept me pissing in the alley all the time. He seems like that guy. He's definitely the town drunk. The town problem. That's the thing. The town drunk. He's just a town problem. When they hear someone's a ranting and a raving outside the piggly wiggly again they're like god damn chuck again that's

some bitch jesus christ i thought they thought they put him on med you said they put him all medicaid ah fucking god damn it lithium don't work for shit goddamn lithium's got him all kinds of crazy oh boy so they advise him of his miranda rights and crawford asked something at this point uh he basically says quote why are you asking me this and what's going on here repeatedly what are you asking me this what's going on here why am i here why am i in a cop car what's happening he says that he didn't know christy at all he didn't know her personally the missing girl uh but he did know her when he saw her from being around town it's a very small town literally everybody knows who everybody is yeah in a town like that uh he testified there he said the cop

would say later on be willing to testify that in the car uh crawford here said that at the time he thought his leg was broken but he didn't want to go to the hospital crawford's like crawford's leg he's like i think my leg's broken but don't worry about taking me to the hospital. So they're like, let's go where we're going. Okay. Yeah. Sounds good. So they, yeah. So they were, they were going to take him to the county jail.

Then they said, well, if your leg's broken, we should probably take you to the hospital. Would you like to go to the hospital with your broken leg? And they said, he said, no, no. And then they, he was, they were told by headquarters to take him back to the command center. They had set up instead of going to the police station. So they take him there. They get to the command center. They turn him over to the agent in charge of FBI operations in Mississippi.

So they turn him over to somebody who's ready to grill this guy. He remorandizes Crawford and interviews him with a couple other agents. morandizes Crawford and interviews him with a couple other agents. He didn't sign a waiver of his rights, but he verbally responded to being, you know, yes, I understand saying that he said he could not understand

why they wanted to talk to him, but he would answer their questions. I don't know what you want to talk to me about, but I mean, I'm here, so might as well. He complained that he hadn't been doing anything and that his back was injured as a result of falling into a well i've hurt my leg in my back and i'm not doing anything and now you guys are breaking my balls and pulling me into this shit it's ridiculous he said uh during the interrogation here he's lying he lies down on the floor saying that it alleviates the back pain

yeah well why don't y'all walk on my back please yeah there's one why don't y'all just george jefferson me back and forth so uh he said he'd been out hunting and he fell in a in a hole and that's what happened to him he fell in a sinkhole uh so they ask him if they say that's all great and dandy is christy still alive yeah that's all we really want to know that's the first time they mentioned christy and crawford he's a poker guy, I would imagine. He would be a World Series of poker. This guy would be a champion because they mention her name and he immediately begins to cry. What? So that's not a good poker face. That's a bad tell.

That's a bad tell there. Yeah. That's a bad tell. If you fucking bet a lot on the river there and somebody breaks down in tears, that's a good sign that you got something. You're doing well here. Good sign they got a bad hand. Either they're folding or they're bluffing, probably. Or they're a great actor.

Just tremendous. Has anybody ever done that in the World Series? That's a genius move. If you've got a good hand, just start crying. What do you do? They wouldn't know. They'd be like, is that a bad? Is he happy?

Is he just having a mental breakdown? Or what's happening to this guy? They wouldn't know how to bet. They wouldn't know they'd be like is that a bad is he happy is he just having a mental breakdown or what's happening to this guy they wouldn't know how to bet they wouldn't know how to do it that they had especially if they would like studied you before and what you do they're like you never did this is just a fucking curveball so they ask him uh was christy alive and he begins to sob and then he admits that she's not alive anymore, he says. He tells her, Christy's not alive. And then he agrees to lead law enforcement to her body. Okay? This whole thing takes about 20 minutes to crack him and get him to not only admit to it,

but say, I'll take you where she is. Super dangerous. Yeah, he's a, wow. So they leave the command center at about 8 o'clock on Saturday night. He escorts them. He leads the search team. He's out in front because he's the one who knows the woods. Yeah, he knows where he's going.

He knows the woods. They said during the search, he never once complained about his back or leg. Walked forever through the woods, up and down hills. This way, everybody. They reached a heavily wooded area covered with leaves, and he said that Christy was there. They found where she was, and asked the all the cops why they didn't uh at this point that once they found her he says why don't y'all just finish me off now he's asking them to shoot him he says we're in the woods no one will know like you could say i

tried to run away or tried to body right there let's make two say i tried to attack you or something when you found the body just shoot me you know and they were like yeah we're not going to do that i don't that's we're like the fbi and stuff we kind of do this around you know well there's a lot of people around maybe it was just a couple of us but i mean there's like already started paperwork there's a whole command center you disappear now yeah there's a whole command center they saw us bring you in it's not looking good at this point here so uh yeah they uh he they find her body at 9 48 p.m it's 400 yards from an abandoned barn, which is the hopper barn, which is like his hangout, which is like this creepy fuck hanging out in a fucking barn.

That's scummy. Just in the middle of nowhere in a heavily wooded area. So they raked leaves back to uncover her body finally because he had put her under leaves. Her hands were cuffed behind her back uh uh around a small tree oh no so he cuffed her hands around a tree and then covered her up in leaves oh my god a sock had been stuffed into her mouth fuck man and he put a you know something around her head to hold the sock in place in her mouth and uh not blindfold, but also her jeans were pulled down below her hips here. So they

do find they get the crime scene people in. The pathologist says that she suffers a single stab wound to the chest. That's the cause of death. Oh, dear Lord. Single stab wound to the chest. She had multiple abrasions over her right and lower left extremities

as well as scrapes to the skin in her back and her buttocks so he beat the shit out of her he dragged her okay that's what he did she also had scrapes on her face and chest as well as well as contusions on her lips and abrasions on her on her wrists so uh yeah they're uh the injuries were wrist injuries were consistent with handcuffing the scrapes on her back and thigh were uh occurred when she was alive and were consistent with injuries uh received while a person was engaged in a flight or flight response so it looked like a fight she tried to get away and he did whatever to keep her there uh he also says the injuries were consistent with christy being dragged along a hard surface possibly with br twigs and branches for little cuts and dings and stuff like that.

The injuries were also consistent with those occurring on someone attempting to resist a rape. Those are the same injuries they find on people. The abrasions to her face and contusions on her lip were consistent with her face being pressed against a hard surface as opposed to being dragged. with her face being pressed against a hard surface as opposed to being dragged. They say that Christy died from a large stab wound to the left mid chest, which punctured her heart and left lung, causing obviously bleeding. And it took her about between one and two minutes to die, probably. So at least it was a miserable way. It's miserable.

At least it wasn't some 20 minute. Yeah. I mean, who knows? Horrible. It was a it was probably a 20 minute or more the ordeal was horrific and then just one night one knife plunge yeah fuck man uh they testified that it was probably made by a marine corps style knife a certain kind of knife uh rainbow knife uh yeah it was measured one and one quarter inches width and four and one half inches deep yeah so

it's a it's a big knife and it corresponded with the knife that they they think it was uh they said she suffered multiple contusions that measured up to approximately one centimeter which would be three eighths of an inch uh about uh on the jesus christ this is just brutal okay i hate i gotta say all this you gotta do it uh basically the evidence that he anally raped her as well. That's that's what I'm getting here. Some damage and push her face against and hard. Yeah. And so he once they arrest him after they find the body and all that, he gives a more detailed account here of everything that he did.

He says that he didn't know her, but he saw her around the Walnut area. uh that he did uh he says that he didn't know her but he saw her around the walnut area he said that he was worried about an upcoming event meaning his trial but that he wouldn't say that but that's what it is which was monday and he said he wanted to be alone when he wanted to be alone he went to the hopper barn which was this middle of nowhere scary murder barn uh so he said that early morning that morning his mother uh dropped him off along providence road to go hunting he and uh he said that early morning that morning, his mother dropped him off along Providence Road to go hunting. And he said he had an over and under double barrel shotgun. He said that he had a knife similar to a Marine Corps knife, which is there, and a.22 caliber revolver. He said that he'd been stockpiling food and drink at the Hopper Barn for about a month in case he decided to go on the lam from his trial.

So he said when he got to the barn, he some cookies and a drink isn't that sweet you fucking idiot cookies and a drink can you imagine him the thought of him sitting there enjoying a chocolate chip cookie with like a juice box makes me want to fucking kick him right in the teeth over and over again after he did all that you fuck you don't deserve a fucking juice box it was probably like sugar snaps and like you just want to fucking shove it in his mouth and you fucking like that you son of a bitch and then kick it into his mouth here i'll kick it down your throat you want a cookie you cocksucker fucking oh i hate this certainly a cookie and a and a drink that do not go together no it was probably hugs. Those little tinfoil covered barrel things that you buy by the case for like 49 cents a case.

He had hugs and fucking dry Archway shit cookies. Just awful. That's what he had. No, he had Hydrox. That's what he had. He had knockoff Oreos. Fucking Hydrox and hugs. That's what he's eating.

Flavors that don't go together. It was an orange drink with chocolate chip cookie or a chocolate chocolate cookie with shit oh you're talking about like those barrel drinks yeah with the tin full of tin thing god that are just syrup so gross they're just syrup they're so bad but if you get them cold enough yeah you can you can down them yeah if they're warm oh it's just thick it's like a they're they're like melted flavor uh melted uh ice pops melted otter pops otter pops there you go they're melted otter pops it's like yeah you it's a sugar water with some color oh it's amazing yeah terrible that's what

i figured he has there so uh i didn't know you're talking yeah it, it's like I got it in my head. I was like, oh, God, the little barrels, the plastic barrels. Jesus Christ. Not even a lid. Just a tinfoil. How fucking cheap. Cheap as shit. That's why a case is 89 cents. There's a reason for that.

They glue tinfoil to the top. Three cents a pop. And somebody paid their mortgage with that shit oh that's how cheap those are someone is the heir to the hugs fortune you understand that someone out there is like bragging that when i turn 21 i get my whole hugs trust it's huge a house built with like 10 billion hugs the house of hugs it would take so many to buy a house just you'd have to sell them for that we've been in business for four generations and we finally we finally turned the profit finally paid back what it cost to make the machines to make it finally i knew it would

happen someday so this asshole with his cookies and his drink dickhead. Fucking jerk. He said that he's very concerned about that upcoming event and that he considered running away, but he has no money. Right. So he couldn't really run away. Yeah. He also said he considered suicide, but he couldn't bring himself to do it. Pussy. Yeah.

He's like, I tried to get a girl to do it for me after I raped her and she wouldn't do it. And the cops wouldn't kill me. So that's not suicide. That's asking somebody to murder you because you can't do it for me after i raped her and she wouldn't do it and the cops wouldn't kill me so that's not suicide that's asking somebody to murder you because you can't do it yeah that's a that i feel like fletch wouldn't have worked as well as a movie if that was the premise so uh he uh he said he stayed in the barn until midday and then he went to go hunting hunting and hiking just wandering around clear his head you know what i mean so he said he reached an area he was not familiar with he decided to build a fire which he soon put out because he was concerned that someone would see the smoke and know where he was so it's at this point he said that he had

a blackout as he put the fire out next thing you know he is in just dark times blackout don't know what's happening middle of the mississippi woods middle of the woods middle of the day he said the next thing he remembered was being inside the ray residence christy ray's house where mary raised the mother that's all you remember blackout by the fire next thing he knows he's in a house okay poof yeah magically uh he said that when he came out of the blackout he heard someone crying in one of the back bedrooms of the house. So obviously he wanted to go investigate that. Christy was on the floor of one of the rooms and he said her hands were cuffed behind her back. He said that he then put on a ski mask so that Christy wouldn't be able to identify

him. And he asked Christy where her car keys were. He said that he took Christy and put her in the car and drove away. He said he took Christy from the house because he didn't know what was going on, and he figured it would just be better to take her with him, just in case. Maybe she can explain what's happening. I don't know what is fucking... That's what he tells the police.

The logic now is this is crazy. His logic is insane. It's nuts. His logic is worse than the one guy's story when he said, I went in and there was already a black guy killing my mother-in-law, so I killed him and hid the body just so my wife wouldn't know that you know that's clearly a victim here but i'm gonna put a ski mask on now and take her so that she can't recognize me just in case i don't know what happened what are you talking about i tend to do

crazy shit when i black out this is a guy that can't kill himself but we don't have uh yeah lead singer of sound garden around anymore we don't have a lead singer of Soundgarden around anymore. We don't have a lot of people around anymore. We don't have Anthony Bourdain who tries to fucking bitch about food anymore. Tons of other people. We don't have Robin Williams, but we have this fucking guy. Several friends of mine that didn't have that. They weren't raping chicks.

No, I've lost several people who've never raped anyone to suicide, but this asshole can't do it. I've lost several people who've never raped anyone to suicide, but this asshole can't do it. So, yeah, he said that he didn't know what he was doing. Just wanted to take her just in case. He said he denied writing or ever having seen that ransom note, though. That must have been a coincidence. That must have been someone came there to kidnap her. Right. And I had already taken her.

Or I popped up in the middle of someone else's kidnapping. Maybe they went to get McDonald's or something. And I popped up and Christy was like, hey, someone's here to save me. And I just put a ski mask on, took her in the car. I don't know what happened. Everybody just wants to kidnap me. It's so people just coming in left and right. Are you here to kidnap me, too?

Well, yes, I am. Little darling. What the fuck is happening? So I brought this ski mask. Jesus. I mean, that's convenient. Yeah. So he's never seen that ransom note.

He said he stated to the police that Christy was very upset when they left her house. Well, no shit. You're dragging a girl by from her home in handcuffs. What the in a ski mask? A ski mask. What the shit do you fucking expect? So then he says, as they drove around and started talking she started to calm down yeah and relax he said that they drove around for about 45 minutes to an hour talking uh he said then he abandoned the car

and took christy out of the car uh she's still handcuffed he says he still has the knife the revolver and the shotgun at this point he says says at this point they made a deal where he would take her handcuffs off if she promised not to run away. That's the deal. So he takes her handcuffs off and she doesn't run away. That's the deal. So they walk back and forth along Jonesboro Road and Crawford then decided it was getting cold and they should go to the hopper barn to spend the night there. So now this poor girl is like, I'm spending spending the night with you this is what the fuck is happening so he says that as they approached the barn he fell into a sinkhole that came up to his neck

and uh that's where his back and leg that's a chance to run so he said and as he fell in he like his arms went up and he tossed the shotgun away by accident as he fell into the hole. So now he's in a hole with the shotgun out of his reach. Yeah, very never-ending story. This is perfect here. So Christie, he says, asked him if he was all right, picked up the shotgun and helped pull him out of the hole. What the hell? gun and helped pull him out of the hole what rather than emptying the whole thing into his into a fucking fish in a barrel and then fucking running to near a civilization which is the wow

so instead he said but i mean i get it she's just trying to she doesn't even i don't know what she must be thinking this is horrific for this poor young woman this is fucking terrible so he says that at that point they went in the barn he had he and Christy had something to drink and ate some cookies together. He gave her a hug, gave her a hugs and some and some of his shit hydrox and not even the chocolate ones, the vanilla ones. I mean, terrible. That had to be. They ate cookies and he said they huddled together in the barn barn for warmth and talked throughout the night. God, this poor girl. I just want to rush in there and fucking beat him to death and drag her out there's no way this is

the right story right so uh well he says the next morning he heard a police siren and he thought he saw a sheriff's car coming away from his grandparents house which was visible from the hopper barn in the woods there so he said he told christy it was the law it's the law you're in a part of the country by the way where they call police the law which is a very specific part of the country i've never heard anybody go the law is after me not and be serious not once you know what i mean well my step should be cool the law yeah that's never my shit my shit bag stepfather uh told me and my brother uh you guys can go to the mall, but if I get a call from the law. That's when I found out how white trash we were.

If I get a call from the law, you two have been vandalizing the chess king. I'll tell you what. And then he got a call from the law. Y'all go in there stealing things from merry-go-round. Go in there stealing some Z Cavaricci's. This is going to be trouble in hell to pay, boy. Don't let me get you. Keep your ass out that Sears and stop shoplifting.

Oh, yeah, that's right. I forgot about that. That's what it was. And the law called him. Wow. So it's the law. And at that point, he says that she tried to talk him into turning himself in. So at that point, he said he fled the woods or fled into the woods

with his shotgun and knife he was like i'm getting out of here and ran away he says that christy ran after him in order to try to convince him to turn himself into the authorities that's what she was saying hold on come back go turn yourself in rather than going later ass all the cops are there hey thanks for saving me he's running through the woods in joy uh but i don't know if this is true or if she's just a nice person who's trying to i don't know what it is you know she feels like she knows him sort of i don't know he's trying to paint a picture of she's attached to him that's what's going on that's what she's trying no fucking way this is real that's what i'm saying i was gonna say or yeah uh he's full of shit and he's telling a really self-serving story there was no we huddled that she didn't get a hug she didn't

get any hydra she got drug into the woods raped and murdered and he had a hugs and some hydrox and fell asleep i gave her one too or he might have gave her some beforehand depending based on what he did with sue he's a weird fucker he doesn't do things based on logic figure of the and literally well yeah think about of all the murderers we've covered and all the murderers who are like rapists and murderers we've covered a shitload of these people their actions make sense in terms of the world they're living in the actions they're taking like they go they do a and then they do b this guy does a and then he's like, maybe Q is next. He's just not normal. His Ikea furniture

is fucked up. The feet are sticking up. It's flat on the ground. There's a foot sticking up. There's a leg sticking up sideways. How am I supposed to sit on that, you asshole? His coffee table's slanted all the way down to the floor on one side.

One of those abstract Ikea you've ever seen. Shit is messed up. Yeah. They're like, this is brilliant art. You put a fucking book on it and it slides straight to the floor. It's either brilliant art or you're terrible at putting shit together. Either one. I'm not sure which one it is.

A, B, Q. It's A, B, Q. But in all the things, he doesn't do C. No. He just doesn't. He does Q, and then we go back to H, and then we'll jump around to fucking D. I don't know what he's doing. A and B.

This is fucking boring. This is boring. Let's see what's going on down at Q. You want some cookies? Like, what the fuck is happening with this guy? What is he doing? We just stumbled upon what the definition of insanity this is it that's what it is right here you have no functioning way of of coexisting with us insanity can be described in

this one sentence a b q want some cookies that's it that's that's insanity yeah a to b to q who wants cookies pardon a b q cookie time what the fuck are you talking about man a b q we're done let's have cookies that's what it is because he starts it he has the fucking step way too far away and then he's like yeah fuck it i don't know what he's doing so he's like yeah fuck it let's do something else i don't know what he's doing so he's claiming christy's running after him going turn yourself in turn yourself in yeah he said that christy told him that no one had been hurt and that she would help him if he turned himself in she says you know look it didn't hurt me nothing happened you put some cuffs on me scared the shit out of me dragged me out of my house to the woods but he didn't beat

me and rape me and kill me and do anything to me so it's cool dude yeah just be fucking cool man and turn yourself in stop being a dick c follows b dude right no i don't want any more cookies bro turn yourself in the laws here be cool jesus the law is cool man they're gonna be chill about the whole thing so uh he was concerned because he said he didn't know how he was going to explain abducting her, which there is no explanation. That's the explanation. I get it. I don't have one. You can't abduct people.

I'm on board with you, man. I don't know how I'd be able to explain it either. I don't know how you would explain it either, dummy. i'd be able to explain it either i don't know how you would explain it either dummy so he said that he said that he felt low uh at that point real depressed and real low and that christy had more or less convinced him to let her go uh he said that until this time he said that he kept his ski mask on at all times wow and except when it was dark inside the barn and christy couldn't see his face anyway otherwise he's all ski mask all the time and she is apparently reaching out and trying to soothe this ski mask beast i don't know that's his story anyway uh so he said that uh he did all that he

also said that when christy convinced him to let her go he he then took the mask off. And then Christie allegedly at that point recognized him as someone she'd seen around town. So then he said, she said, oh, I know you. I've seen you here or there. Don't do that. What are you doing? So then he said that they began walking back to Christie's car. As they began walking back to Christie's car, he gave her the shotgun. He said, here, you can have the shotgun.

It'll probably make you feel more comfortable if you have it, not me. And then he said, at that point, blackout. Walking back, felt kind of depressed, and then gone. Complete blackout. He says the next thing he remembered, he was sitting on a stump in the woods, wearing a T-shirt, blue jeans, and no shoes. He said Christy was lying at his feet, handcuffed behind her back, and she was dead. He claimed that she was fully clothed with one of his socks in her mouth.

And then he decided to hide the body and dragged her by her feet across the ground. Oh, gross. He says that's how he in his mind. He says that's how he explained how her pants and underwear were pulled down below her hips because he was dragging her that way above with her hands above her head like that. He then covered her body with leaves so that no one would find her. And he said he sat on the tree stump for a while and thought about what he was going to do. He said he put his boots back on, got a shotgun in his knife and headed back toward the woods through to the road. He said that he knew people were looking for him,

but he didn't know why. You know, he's been blacking out. Listen, you think telling people that you kidnapped somebody is hard. That's hard, yeah. I'm pretty sure the dead girl you have has something to do with why the police are looking for you. If you awaken from a blackout in the woods above a dead college student

and you think the cops are looking for you, that's probably why yeah it's not for anything else no this guy missed traffic court let's get him and the explanation just got miles harder yeah yeah holy shit so he said he neared the road he saw a patrol car so he hid himself from view on a hillside when the patrol car left he crossed the road into the woods he said that he then fell into an abandoned well that was about 10 feet deep. He's a clumsy motherfucker. He said he then used his knife to dig himself out.

Wow. How do you dig yourself out? First of all, he didn't put it in the wall and climb up. He said he dug himself out of a 10-foot well. So he dug 10 feet to the surface, made a 10-foot tunnel, which 10 feet deep means the tunnel would have to be 30 feet long to get the angle to not be straight up a vertical fucking tunnel. Good Lord. So he then dug a 30-foot man-sized hole with a knife.

So then six weeks later, when he got out of it, are you fucking kidding me? Mexican cocaine smuggler? That's what I mean. Thank you, El Chapo. I think we're good. So fuck out of it yeah are you fucking kidding me nice skin cocaine smuggler that's what i mean thank you el chapo i think we're good so fuck out of here with that bullshit he said he continued toward his residence popping out of the ground like john goodman in raising arizona he said uh popping out of the mud uh he said he this this was a house belonging to his ex-father-in-law and that's when like we said he he approached the house, shotgun and knife, and was arrested. So he discussed with the FBI or with the police officer that he realized that taking Christy was wrong.

So that's... So do you know that was wrong? He's like, yeah, I know I was wrong. I know that's bad. Killing her, way worse. Oh, boy. He later stated that he originally denied knowing any knowledge of her disappearance to buy himself some time to think about what he was going to do. He just didn't know what to do here.

He also said that he must have killed her, obviously. No one else was around, but he doesn't remember doing so. And he told the police officer that he sometimes has blackouts and he doesn't know what happens during these blackouts and he can't control himself and all that type of shit. So they testify here. Story, bro. Yeah, not a good story. I don't know. I just black out and he can't control himself and all that type of shit so they testify here uh story bro yeah not a good story i don't know i just black out and girls die i don't know that's cool right i mean i don't know what's happening so it's fine right that's a terrible story yeah uh so a mississippi highway patrolman here he says that clothing bedding handcuff keys a padlock with keys ammunition food and soft drinks were found in the hopper barn he said that uh uh on february 7th 93 which was earlier uh voluntary searchers found a pair of shoes men's briefs long john bottoms and a t-shirt near where christy's body was found uh then so

that was earlier so that's he was hanging out in that area is basically what they're trying to say here. They stated that the shoes found between the trees and shrubs looked as if they'd been thrown there while the underwear and T-shirt were found under a brush pile. He also said another police officer said they later found a knife and a pistol in a nylon holster in his in his field, which was located a quarter mile from the Hopper barn. his field, which was located a quarter mile from the Hopper Barn. And another police officer said that he searched the area where the knife and gun were found and discovered a belt with a Harley Davidson buckle on it with the name Chuck stamped

on the back of it. I don't know what you're talking about. I don't even ride motorcycles. Number one, none of that stuff's mine. It's not like it's got my name on it or nothing. Oh, yeah? What do what do they call you well y'all know they call me chuck okay chuck as they turn it around in his face you stupid bastard unbelievable uh the belt is very similar to the one that he's wearing which also has the name chuck stamped on the back so same font same yeah

so i mean it says he got he likes that belt buckle and he fucking puts chuck on the back of it so everyone knows in case he loses it you know that goes hey always losing my belt buckle everywhere he said that he uh he admitted to the investigators that he owned the type of knife that they think was used he also owns a torus 22 caliber revolver and uh the weapons and belt match the descriptions that he gave uh The Mississippi Crime Lab guy, he says that hairs collected from the clothing found in the Hopper barn were compared with known samples of hair from Christie and found to exhibit the same characteristics. That's as good as you could do without a DNA test on hair. Andrew also, this is the guy Joe Andrews, is the Crime Lab guy.

He also says that hairs found on clothing recovered by the other guy exhibited the same characteristics as pubic hairs taken from Crawford. Yeah. So they got him on pubes. Yeah. Pube evidence will fuck you. Shave them. File it down.

Like Dennis on Always Sunny. I'm like a turtle down there. So, another one. Why are you still fucking around with those? Yeah. 94 95 93 93 why you still got him sir in the rural area it's probably still a little bushy down there so a forensic person here with the mississippi crime lab another one debbie holler she will later testify that stains found on briefs appeared to be a mixture of blood and seminal fluid. The Long Johns also contained blood stains, and they had a hard time. The crime lab, they had broken down a little bit.

They couldn't find a testing. Wasn't as good in 93 as it is now. Now they can test fucking grease from your finger that you left on something six months ago. But back then, they needed a really good sample to do shit. Six six months ago they can find shit you did in the 70s absolutely and use that today yeah no if you for sure did this yeah no no shit uh so uh they they uh did dna testing along with uh blood samples from christy a vaginal swab was taken from her body to determine the and determine the presence of seminal fluid so So he didn't remember that either. Also, this determined that Crawford is included in the possible source of seminal fluid.

It breaks it down to basically a 500,000 person set. This is back then. It isn't now where they can do it to the 30 billion. This is to 500,000. Still pretty good. In this area, it's pretty great. The odds are pretty good that it's probably nobody else out of 500,000. Still pretty good. In this area, it's pretty great. The odds are pretty good that it's probably nobody else out of 500,000 people that could be in this whole thing,

considering there's like 600 people here at this time, not even in this whole area. The mix of blood and semen found on the briefs matched Christie and Crawford both. So it all matches up here. They go to trial. First, he's going through all this. He's got trial on Monday still.

So he's got all this this weekend. And then they got to sit his ass down in a fucking courtroom. Start all over. Imagine being his lawyer. What the hell happened to you this weekend? Well, cool. After a weekend. Oh, let me tell you.

Want some cookies? A, B, Q. Here's a cookie all right fuck man so uh yeah they uh this is the uh their trial the the rape of his ex-sister-in-law is a separate thing this is a trial for the assault of nicole cutbirth with the fucking framing hammer jesus christ he has a different court date for that one too yeah so now he's got a murder thing he's got he's got this thing and then he's got a rape thing hanging over him too they really hung it uh yeah in consecutive order of escalation too he's in deep shit here assault rape murder yeah well the murder trial is going to be second the rape is

going to be kind of oh really yeah it's a different thing thing. I don't I'm not sure if they ever end up actually prosecuting the rape of Sue or not, or if they end up just saying these are enough because he he has there's a competency hearing the morning of the trial. You know, a BQ cookies is a right good defense. They keep asking questions and he keeps screaming cookie time. The cookie defense works sometimes. So I like cookies. I like the purple one with hugs.

I want the purple hugs. He testifies that he could not aid his lawyer in the case and could not be, could not meaningfully participate in his defense because his medication he's been taking following two recent seizures. So he says he's all fucked up. He doesn't know what's going on. following two recent seizures. So he says he's all fucked up. He doesn't know what's going on.

And yeah, they had an hour and 20 minute hearing and they found him competent to stand trial. They said, you're good enough. You're fine here. So people, there's been a lot of witnesses of experts here. They talk a lot about lithium lithium and uh all sorts of shit one doctor testifies the levels of lithium quote have barely been therapeutic or lower than therapeutic i would not expect lithium itself would have any effect on his ability to understand his legal situation and consult with an attorney he's gonna blame that no no he's saying i can't i can't i'm

not competent to stand trial because i can't aid my attorney in the case because I'm on lithium. I'm jacked up on lithium. And they said that shouldn't affect your ability to help your attorney, the fact that you're on lithium. So they said the dosage level was 100 milligrams three times a day. He said, I would not expect that would interfere with his ability to consult with an attorney. a day he said i would not expect that would interfere with his ability to consult with an attorney that opinion is further bolstered by the fact that as you mentioned this is the fourth time that i've seen him which the the doctor has seen him then that's what he says milligrams a day isn't a lot apparently not of that i don't know apparently you need a lot of that sounds like a

lot apparently you just take a big handful i mean i get a 500 milligram um it's like a protein it's like a protein powder you just well i like a vicodin. But I mean, even in that, there's very little of the active ingredient. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. This may be similar. I don't know. I have no fucking... I'm not a fucking chemist, nor a...

I'm not a pill guy. No. So I've never had any drugs like that, like doctor prescribed. And then I'm not... I don't like regular pills. So I'm not a pill dude. I'm just not into that shit. Just 300 milligrams doesn't seem like a lot. No, it seems like does or it does seem like a lot to me so uh anyway so yeah

they uh they say he's you know he's okay to stand trial uh he understands the shit against him this is uh uh five witnesses testify on behalf of the state uh during the trial of for cut birth including the victim who says, yes, that's the man that beat me over the head with a fucking framing hammer, which is very bad.

And her companion, Sue, she also testifies to seeing the hammer and having Christy outside and the whole deal and also testifies, obviously, to the horrors

of their fucking being raped as well, as we'll talk about here. The defendant's sister-in-law here, that's who we'll talk about here uh the defendant's uh uh sister-in-law here that's so we'll talk about her i won't give her real name even though they give it in the court documents don't need to do it there so uh this cut birth identified crawford uh as her assailant and uh we'll call her sue still she testified that uh they objected obviously the defense but she testified that she was raped by

crawford minutes before he walked out of the house and hit nicole over the head with a fucking hammer which makes it worse yeah this makes it sound a lot worse somehow it makes you as a person whoever is doing that way worse of a human being more dangerous because you just came and yet still you have the energy and wherewithal to go attack somebody? To go attack somebody. Oh my God. That's what I mean. After you've raped somebody. I barely have the energy to shower.

Yeah. And that's after consensual sex. Good point. You know what I mean? Which I think would be. I did leave that hanging for a second. Yeah. I was going to say.

I mean, when I'm raping, Jesus, I'm fuck. I don't even. Shit Christ. I'm tired. I can barely cover up the crime scene afterwards it's ridiculous i could barely cover up my corpse with leaves after holding her down for so many minutes that was crazy horrible jesus christ what a piece of fucking shit this guy is so the evidence he argues that the two searches of his home were unconstitutional searches

and then any items you know like the hammer that he used to hit this woman with and all that shit that were obtained through these searches are inadmissible and everything like that uh the officers who'd responded to the call um the attack here uh he says they say that they they they basically they didn't search the house they did a protective sweep they were looking for someone sure that be in danger. So they did a sweep and they didn't open drawers. They didn't do anything like that. They were just sitting out. And if you think there's a hammer

and someone got hit with a hammer, you might want to grab that. So they said no one was present at the home. The sheriff's deputy said, quote, by the way, the chief sheriff here is named Hopper on Stranger Things, which is pretty fucking funny. Also like the barn. Also like the barn. Everything's named Hopper, like on Stranger Things, which is pretty fucking funny.

Also like the barn that he was in. Also like the barn. What the fuck? Everything's named Hopper here. What is happening here? Hopper, Mississippi. He said, we immediately entered the residence because we felt there was still a crime in progress. We made a thorough search of the residence by going through one room at a time.

He says that he testified as to what he found. He said some of the items were rolls of duct tape or one roll of duct tape that I remember. It was also tape. Other tape was around the house that had what appeared to be hair fibers on them. Outside the residence, in the yard, there was also duct tape with hair fibers on the bed where there was bloodstains on the bed. Also, the tampon was on the bed. stains on the bed also they the tampon was on the bed there was also uh there was a some green leafy substance in the i believe the hallway possibly a marijuana cigarette which was also in the hall and would appear to be another marijuana cigarette this is what he writes

he also says that this was lawful under the uh you know emergency doctrine basically that allows for a warrantless search uh in a narrowly defined circumstances reasonable grounds to believe that there's an emergency at hand an immediate need for their assistance uh for the protection of life or property this 100 qualifies i believe for that so at the close of the case here uh he does that at the close of the cut birth case he he moves for a directed verdict of acquittal he's like i believe that the judge should just acquit me right now obviously he's like we're getting this again clearly yeah i think we can all agree what they just put forward was bullshit i don't even need to respond judge i would just bang that little hammer there and i'm can you just give me give

me one of the well there give me one of those i'll be on my way head on i'll grab a hug and a hydrox sorry we all wasted our time cookies for everybody on me how's that we'll make everyone feel better who wants a hug so uh yeah this this you know he he argues that he was deprived of his right to a fundamentally fair trial by his judge's failure to declare a mistrial after the prosecution elicited uh elicited or elicited testimony concerning the rape charge against him but the judge said it was okay it was over objection uh so yeah the uh they talk about uh um on the stand they had this sue girl up there and they said what did he do to you with the gun at the house and he said she said he held it up to my head and told me to be quiet after he held the gun to your head and told me to be quiet. And and he she said and do what he said.

They said, have you he gave you the gun and told me told you to shoot him. And she says, yes, sir. So that's true. She did give he did give her the gun. Why was Chuck Crawford asking you to shoot him? What had he done that he wanted you to shoot him for? That's when there's an objection and it goes back and forth and the judge says answer the question and she says he raped me boom that's why so there's another objection suck it sir suck it sir no cookies for you sorry uh so

it's at that point that they asked for a mistrial the defense asked for a mistrial. The court says, go fuck your mother. No mistrial. We're moving this on. The jury is told to disregard that answer and that question. Strike from the jury, whatever. But they just heard that he raped her at gunpoint, then gave her a gun. Yeah. A, B, Q. Weird shit. So they're like, this motherfucker's weird.

So he says that this line of questioning constitutes prosecutorial misconduct. And, of course, he'll bring that up later on. He also produces one witness, one Dr. L.D. Hutt, a Memphis clinical psychologist who testified that, in his opinion, Crawford was suffering from bipolar disorder, manic type at the time of his attack. opinion crawford was suffering from bipolar disorder manic type at the time of his attack he stated that quote uh that given the psychiatric history and my findings he did that he carl uh or chuck did not carl crawford the outfielder that's what i'm thinking the whole time uh chuck crawford jesus christ uh that he did not have the ability to differentiate between right and wrong and conform his behavior to the dictates of the law at that time.

So they said he's fucking temporary insanity is what he's getting at here. State produced two witnesses in rebuttal that says, oh, he's fucking fine. He was saying when he hit her with a claw hammer, he's saying we rape people. He's all that kind of shit. Closing arguments. Jury takes 40 minutes to come back with unsurprisingly guilty of aggravated assault. He is sentenced right there. You, sir, may fuck off.

20 years in prison. That's a good start. That's a good start for the hammer attack. Now, yeah, it's a four-day trial. 20 years in prison. So that's a good start. Now we can worry about uh you know going anywhere we can prepare the rest of this shit rapes and murders and the state says you

know what while we got him for 20 years let's go ahead and go for the death penalty on christy because that was real shitty the way he did that so uh he says i'm fucking crazy i was crazy being a little while ago in the last trial i'm still crazy i'm super crazy uh so he goes through the same things same reasons he says he's crazy uh same bullshit he presents us an insanity defense to the testimony of family members a psychiatrist named dr stanley russell with the mississippi department of corrections uh who had treated him when he was housed there when he was arrested originally here for this whole thing uh This psychiatrist testified that Crawford suffered from depression and periods of time lapse about which he has no memory.

He diagnosed Crawford as a psychogenic amnesiac. So basically a crazy fucker that loses his memory and does wild shit. I don't know. Yeah. So that's what he says. He referred to his medical history including including medication prescribed by a psychiatrist when crawford was 10 his hospitalization uh multiple times and all this type of shit and uh his diagnosis his diagnoses

in the past the lithium and all that he also testifies this russell uh says that his anger and crawford's anger and resentment as a child and his antisocial behavior as a teenager. He testifies that in his opinion, Crawford satisfies the test for not being criminal, criminally responsible for his actions as a result of a mental disorder that affected his reasoning to the point he was not aware of what he was doing, basically. So there's a rebuttal here by another psychologist that says he's fucking fine he's a faker he's a malingerer fuck this guy yeah uh he says there's no evidence that crawford even ever suffered from bipolar illness based on the reviews of his diagnosis he doesn't think that crawford had a disease of the mind an illness or a major mental disorder.

He testified that there was nothing in Crawford's records to show he was delusional or show that he was suffering from irrational belief or hearing voices. He also said that Russell, the first doctor, improperly diagnosed Crawford as psychogenic amnesiac because Crawford, quote, appeared to be malingering his problems or memory deficits. He also stated that Crawford showed premeditation and that he knew the nature and quality of his actions and he was able to distinguish between right and wrong. Fucking agreed. Another one here, the Mississippi State Hospital said that, yes, he's sane. They said that psychogenic amnesia is an extremely rare diagnosis that, in his opinion, Crawford does not have.

That's like so rare. It's not a normal thing for that to happen. None of this shit's normal to happen either. None of this is normal, no. It's common, but not normal, unfortunately, here. He believed that Crawford was planning the act and purposely concealed Christy Ray's body, and this showed that he knew the nature and quality of his act, even if he was whatever. Right.

And he did not want to get caught. That's the part. That's what's going on here. Now, he testified at a suppression hearing before this at the time of his arrest that he was walking with his shotgun as a crutch because he had hurt himself. He said he had stepped through a dry well. And fell through some tin. He said that there was also. Some debate whether he should be taken.

To the hospital or the school. They go through all this shit. To see if he was properly cared for. He gave his interview on the floor. Because he couldn't sit up in the chair. Because he was in so much pain. Crawford said that the authorities. Told him that the quicker we got over this. The quicker we can get you out of here and get you the medical attention you need.

So basically, they said, until you confess, you're not going to get medical attention, is what they told him. And, well, basically, they needed to find Christy. So they said, we don't really care if your back hurts. Where's this girl that's missing? Because that's more important. Yeah, we don't give a shit about that at this point. They thought maybe she was alive still then so yeah i see him laying on the ground like his hands on his belly yeah going oh it's just uncomfortable um it's so much pain yeah so uh uh

he denied they denied that they inferred that they would withhold medical treatment and all that kind of shit the cops all denied uh uh basically they said it's voluntarily given they denied refusing him medical treatment uh they said they treated him on the up and up he also also asserts crawford does that fbi agent uh summerlin went to that law office of his lawyer and obtained his mental health records from a law student working for his lawyer uh he says prior to his arrest fbi agent read the mental health records and consulted with FBI behavioral science expert about techniques for obtaining a confession from persons with his psychological profile.

Damn interns. Which the FBI 100% would want his psych records to see how they can approach him. You've watched Mindhunter people. If they had access to a dude's psych records, that's great know you're going to know how to get a confession a little easier out of him if you know what he's about so uh now uh he's saying so that's as big thing as they were taking taken from his lawyer without his consent and making them illegally obtained which there's probably a shred of something to that i would say but for everything he's done it's out it's out fucking wade and this isn't a question of whether he did it there's dna he admitted it he's the only one

with her yeah it matches his whole thing of tying people up and fucking raping them and killing them he just wants to justify the behavior he's not disagreeing he just wants to say i didn't do this shit yeah the way you say i did this shit yep the state argues that the records were not confidential and that the evaluations of crawford were done in anticipation of his rape and assault trial, meaning that this was discovery of these records was inevitable. They were going to come out publicly anyway. That's a good point. The only reason they were taken was to put in a public forum. This is what they're saying.

Now, they did take them in a way that was. It's a little shady. They needed to get a court order to do that. But they're saying in these, you know, know extenuating circumstances the girl could have been alive they needed to figure out how they could get him to tell them where the girl was okay she could have been alive they're trying to save someone's life is what they say i'll buy that you know what in this situation fucking good enough for me uh jury does not take very long to find him guilty as balls, which is what the foreman said, Your Honor. We find him guilty as balls.

Guilty as he is crazy, sir. As shit. As shit. He thinks he's here for cookies. So this is just... Now, sentencing comes around very quickly in Mississippi. They run sentencing right up on there. And it doesn't take long for this.

Either you, sir, may fuck off. Death penalty for this young man here. They did not even. 27 years old. Yeah, and they didn't feel too bad about it either for the way he did this. This was a real shitty thing to do, and he didn't have to fucking do this. And even according to the story he told this girl did nothing but a try to save her own life and then b try to help him yeah once she thought she was safe which is you

know fucking even more heartbreaking so what year is this he's convicted 97 95 95 okay he's convicted here we got 22 years to 24 years today uh he has a lot of appeals based on all this mental health shit and legalities and things like that uh he uh 2005 2006 he appeals uh mississippi state supreme court that gets shot down yeah there's a big thing with his, basically the state of Mississippi does not have the resources to do all of this post-conviction work. They just don't have resources. They're just like contracting it out? No, if you're like a public legal person there, you're just overwhelmed. I've seen documentaries on these poor people down there in the south where it's really underfunded offices to try try to you know for you got a time limit that's the thing a big time time limit here

uh in 2013 he uh he look he's looking for a new trial based on a bunch of different factors and a three panel judge a three judge panel from the fifth u.s district uh circus fuck fifth u.s circuit court of appeals jesus on tuesday on a tuesday they upheld a 2012 decision which also told him to go fuck his mother uh not literally right in prison figuratively yeah your cellmate calling mom yeah that's all do that you might try and then have some cookies afterwards so uh he said he was deprived of six amendment right to counsel uh related to the psychiatric evaluation and they said that prosecutors presented enough evidence to the trial to uphold his conviction and sentence even if the evaluation had not occurred they said you were still fucked dna confessions doesn't matter uh

they said so the constitutional error was harmless and he is not entitled to post-conviction relief you sir continue to fuck off 2016 trial attorneys uh say they failed uh they failed to come to obtain a complete psychological evaluation in preparation for trial they try to say that the state purposely uh uh kept that from him uh from them. They say his lawyer writes, quote, Although I used an insanity defense in all three of Mr. Crawford's trials, I did not retain a mental health expert to conduct for a forensic evaluation of Mr. Crawford. Instead, I relied on the Parchman psychiatric Dr. Stanley Russell, who treated Mr. Crawford during his period of incarceration prior to the murder trial and another doctor, blah, blah, blah. They gave conflicting assessments and diagnosis of Mr.

Crawford. I believe the inadequacies of their evaluations arose because we didn't have the resources to conduct a thorough and reliable investigation of his background. So he's saying that, yeah, they didn't know they didn't get to check into it. Maybe if they had everything and they had this resources, he said that he had recently, the lawyer said, recently been made aware of neurological and psychiatric psychiatric examinations done earlier in 2013. And that that might be able to help him. And that should have been whatever it was. His that guy's co-counsel said we did not use the services of a mitigation investigator for this case we did not not file a motion requesting funds to hire a mitigation

investigator these are people to find shit that made to make them not kill him right yeah for mitigation for sentencing only here uh they did also did not seek funds to hire a mental health expert neuropsychologist uh to evaluate and test him. And they said the testing was probably necessary in hindsight here. So he says, well, obviously, my attorneys were inadequate. So that's a bad representation and all the psychiatric shit. Why don't you just give me a new trial? You know, he said, you know, I'm having seizures, all this shit.

They go, yeah, well, there was never any pretrial diagnosis of epilepsy. So you might've pulled that out of your ass too. Uh, he says, but I don't recollect the kidnapping. And they went that too fucking bad. It doesn't matter. Uh, you did do it. So that's okay. He says he doesn't remember the burglary, the rape, the murder, none of this stuff.

He said the epileptic episodes must be what it is. Jesus Christ, man. No, I don't think so here. With that, all of this is rejected. They said none of this flies because, you know, it's... It's a duck with no wings. It's a duck with no wings, man. It's really hard to, once you're convicted,

you have to have new evidence or evidence of severe misconduct or severe legal ass-fucking. You are convicted. The system worked. They have to show that you were intentionally ass-fucked. Right. Or you were, yeah, it has to be something like that. It has to be something humanist. You can't just be, you know, that wasn't a good enough trial.

Well, tough shit. I mean, that's just the way it works in this country. I didn't do it. It wasn't good enough. I mean, for good tough shit i mean that's just the way it works in this country i didn't do it wasn't good yeah i mean for good or for real it's just the way it is and whatever so uh yeah they said they want to have him x you know evaluated even more they said that the trial experts didn't have access to his records blah blah blah uh the in his affidavit they they are an affidavit someone from the uh like uh public defense office writes an affidavit, they are an affidavit. Someone from the public defense office writes an affidavit saying due to severe staffing and shortage resource shortages, the office was drowning in work. When I started here, I had to manage an excessive caseload with very limited resources and virtually no professional professional litigation support, including the use of experts and it goes on to basically say how anybody who's convicted who's going for any kind of post-release conviction relief in mississippi is fucked because they have no resources and no time to even investigate resources if they did have them well they've

got this dude's dna run that shit through the machine this is yeah that's the thing when it comes up 300 bazillion to one let's stop talking that's it well his strategy is he argued in court documents that if the rape conviction is reversed based on all this shit then he would have the right to have his death sentence thrown out and a new sentencing hearing because that would have been the aggravator that got him the death penalty was the rape on on christy uh so they said a reversal of the earlier rape conviction would mean nothing because of the abundance of evidence supporting the death sentence they also said that he was convicted of aggravated assault in an earlier trial

another aggravating factor used to justify the death penalty either way what about the other one you're fucked six ways from sunday no matter how you fucking put it yeah uh yeah so he tries to another appeal based on the drugs the the execution drugs that they don't have down there and uh a 5-4 ruling by the mississippi supreme court uh revived a lawsuit that brought that brought this up and so this is still going on about this it says that this particular penta pentobarbital is not approved by the FDA and will cause him to experience a torturous death by suffocation and cardiac arrest. So Jimmy feels very bad for him after what he did to these fucking women. So basically, he's awaiting death and he can keep fucking off. Have a good one.

No cookies for you. And you know what his last meal is going to be. Hugs and hugs and cookies you know it's gonna be there uh there will be cookies involved oh there will be cookies that's all he wants is fucking cookies so he is uh in prison in mississippi awaiting uh execution and poor christy uh god that's terrible uh she's born in germany christy by the way she's which interesting. Probably a military brat. Something like that, maybe. Born in Germany. And she is buried in Mississippi at the Tippa County, at the Campground United Methodist Church Cemetery. Poor thing.

And that's just fucking terrible. Sue's got to deal with that shit for the rest of her life, too. Sue, yeah. She's still got that in her memory. I bet you anything Sue feels guilty for not shooting him. For sure. For not fucking shooting him. Yeah.

Because if she, yeah, that could have saved Christie's life. Yeah. And who knows what he's done in between? Who knows if there's other things? There's two years in between that rape and that murder. Seems like he figured out when you- When you do it, you get rid of them. You get rid of them.

Because when they're alive, they can tell on you. So it feels like that's what he learned, that lesson. And so I don't know. But Jesus Christ, what an asshole that guy is. I just want to jam cookies down his throat till he fucking drowns in them. I'd like to see how many we could get into his mouth versus how many I could get up his ass. Well, yeah. And nose and wherever else.

Let's have a contest. Do you think I could get a Hydrox up his ass. Yeah, and nose, and wherever else. Let's have a contest. Do you think I could get a Hydrox up his ass without crushing it? Yeah, I think you could. I think we could do it if we tried. I think if we really gave it a shot, I think we could work it out. I'll get a funnel.

Do they come in a sleeve? Because you could just jam the whole sleeve up there. Oh, yeah, that'd be good. We can make a sleeve. Like a saltine? Yeah, we can make a sleeve. You know what? They have those Dixie cup holders next to the water coolers.

We get one of those and use that as a fucking plastic applicator. And then we fucking shove the cookies through. Like a hydrox tampon. Yeah, and then shove them up into his large intestine just as far as it'll go through his colon. The old story, the joke is that you could use a... Let's use a Pringles container. Fuck it. We need it good and wide.

Much better. You never know. I was thinking about a bounty roll. There you go. Yeah, yeah. No, that's way too small. They say that's how you get a gerbil in there. Oh, Jesus.

Well... You put the gerbil in one and jam the fucking thing up there. You can fit a huge gerbil if you use a Pringles can, is what I'm saying. can fit a huge gerbil if you use a Pringles can. That's what I'm saying. A guinea pig. So let's use a Pringles can and see what we can fit up there.

Let's get a guinea pig's worth of Hydrox. Let's get a guinea pig carrying some Hydrox. I don't care. We will feed the Hydrox to the guinea pig. Put something up this man's ass now. A potato gun. I don't care. Fuck this guy.

That's Walnut, Mississippi, everybody. Oh, boy. And that is Charles Ray Crawford and poor Christy. Charles Crawford and poor Christy Ray. And it's Charles Ray Crawford and it's Christy Ray. So there's no relation, but that's just his middle name. And then Sue. And Sue.

What was the first one? Poor Sue and Nicole Cutlery Ray. So there's no relation, but that's just his middle name. And then Sue. What was the first one? Poor Sue and Nicole Cutworth. And Sue, we won't use her real name. Like I said, there's certain documents where they don't use her name and then there's court documents where they do. Fucking jerks. But I mean, she might have been okay with it or it might have

this was later in that other trial. Okay. So it might have. She's still a child victim. That's the thing. It's when she was testifying. They had her name in there because she wasn't a victim in that trial. She was a witness. Right. So they used her name and that's who it is.

So, yeah, we won't use her name. It doesn't matter. She's been through enough. Yeah. Poor Sue's been through fucking enough here. So if you like that story, if you're a sick bastard, tell us about it. Get on iTunes or purple eye, that purple icon, Apple, Apple podcast, whatever the shit it is. And give us a review.

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So if you like it, then that helps a lot because we don't have to do anything differently. And anyone who tells us to, we can go, yeah, go fuck yourself. We'd rather make our audience happy because we feel beholden to them. They're the ones who make us our living, not you. Eat dicks. And so that's what we do. So it works out wonderfully. Jimmy, what if they wanted to tell you to eat dicks? could they do so you can find me at westman sucks whisman

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We can't do it without you. And I really enjoy hearing the personal stuff. Shit, yeah. Like the brigade. We dig it. 71st, 741st. I don't know. Does that mean they send 740 of them before them?

I mean, probably not in a row. Probably not. I mean, they probably jump around on the numbers, I would think. We'll send them. We'll send 348. We'll send, you know. 741, you're up! We'll send 962 sometimes.

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