Small Town Murder - #139 - The Murder Portal Is Open in Little Compton, Rhode Island

Episode Date: October 3, 2019

This week, in Little Compton, Rhode Island, a brutal killing is discovered, and the fact that there is an open hole, in the victim's home, literally everyone is a suspect. That is, until police zero in on a man with a shady history, a shaky alibi, and one of the worst excuses for his DNA being somewhere that it shouldn't be, in the history of criminal investigation. This is a crazy story, that just keeps getting crazier!!Along the way, we find out that you can actual build a monument to spite, that sperm can't be brought back to life by bathwater, and that DNA is a real thing & much to the surprise of the suspect, is admissible in court!!Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman New episodes every Thursday! Donate at: patreon.com/crimeinsports or go to paypal.com & use our email: [e-mail] Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder & Crime In Sports! Follow us on... twitter.com/@murdersmall facebook.com/smalltownpod instagram.com/smalltownmurder Also, check out James & Jimmie's other show, Crime In Sports! On iTunes, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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literally anyone in town could have done this. back to Small Town Murder. Yay! Yay, indeed, Jimmy. Yay, indeed. My name is James Petrigallo. I'm here with my co-host. I am Jimmy Wissman. Thank you, folks, so much for joining us. Once again, we are so excited to be here as usual. Happy to be back.

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Let's go on a trip. All right. What do you say? Let's do this. Great. We were down south last week. We were crisscrossing the country for a while. Mississippi last week.

Then we went down south to Mississippi. Now we're going to bounce back up north over here. We're going to go to Rhode Island. Oh, all the way to Rhode Island. the tiny forgotten state of Rhode Island, the smallest state, obviously. The Reno of the states. The Reno of the states. I don't know why that's true, but why is it the Reno? Oh, because it's the biggest little state. Yeah. I think they just go by the littlest little state. There's nothing really happening. I've been to Rhode Island. We're barely a state. It's beautiful there. It's gorgeous, but not

a lot happening. We're going to Little Compton rhode island what and this is little compton like compton like nwa but little compton rhode island which is hilarious because it's in a little state which makes it a little mc run there i think there's everything i think there's everything there uh lots of things it's in the far southeastern Rhode Island. It's on the big island here. There's a big island off of southeastern Rhode Island. There's like a couple islands. This is the biggest one in the farthest southeast.

And this is that. So it's like islands off of Rhode Island. So it's really out there. It's about 45 minutes to Providence, Rhode Island. About an hour, 15 minutes up to Boston. And 40 minutes to Warren, Rhode Island, which was our last Rhode Island episode. Episode 75. Wow. Yeah. Back in July of 2018.

Fascinating. It was one of our first ones in the studio, as a matter of fact. And that was the one where the young man, I believe, murdered his parents and kept them in a septic tank. Oh, Jesus. While he went and spent their money. Yeah, that one. I don't know where they went. They must have ran away.

I'm not sure. Have we had two that were put in a septic tank? I think we have. I'm not sure of a septic tank. Well, I think one was an above ground, one was a below ground. Got it. That's why. Okay.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's different. It's horrible. It's really different at that point. This is in Newport County. 02837 is the zip code. 401 is the area code. Motto, home of mini Dr. Dre, tiny ice cube, and teensy E.

Teensy E. I'm so glad you went with MC Ren because I'm like, he picked the one I didn't put. Not DJ Yellow, but that's a different story. No, but everybody forgets that. They didn't say shit. Say shit. So we got that. Absolutely.

I don't know how everybody doesn't make that joke. Unbelievable. You have to have like a tiny. Teen CE is my favorite. Do you like Teen CE? Teen CE. Teen CE. I like that too.

That's a good one. That's pretty solid. I like that you saved him for last. Well, you know. That's the rule of three and then you pound it at the end with a punchline. What are we going to do here so uh history uh little compton originally uh inhabited by obviously native americans as most everything here was uh so the second indians and they are obviously native uh to that area they are part of the are related to the wampanoag people and they

spoke massachusetts that was the language really that's yeah that was their language that's where They are part of the, are related to the Wampanoag people, and they spoke Massachusetts. That was the language they spoke. Yeah, that was their language. That's where Massachusetts comes from. They still have the language. So, yeah, they still have that fucked up spelling, too. Is it two S's or two T's? Oh, it's two S's and two T's, but not the other S's.

That's only one S. Never mind. Spell Massachusetts quickly if you're not from there. Enjoy. You'll go, which one is it? There's S it is this the one where there's a song that helps me spell it no that's mississippi shit no one made up a massachusetts song god this place is full of slackers come up with a song i can't spell shit so uh the name has been interpreted in a variety of ways as they say here uh the one that they seem to go with the most is quote it's interpreted to mean where the water pours forth oh okay yeah i mean there's water fucking everywhere yeah right y'all motherfuckers

move straight out of little compton get to riverside you guys this place sounds terrible a lot of ice cube lyrics gonna come out so uh yeah this is uh the the colonial settlers in little compton were from massachusetts and uh they were granted a charter to start a new area around here they divided the land into lots and then people started settling there there was uh 29 original people who settled down in this area and uh they there was a lot of uh conflicts obviously with the with the native americans nearby you just move in there tends to be conflict yeah that happens when it's not your place yeah it happens seems to be so uh somebody comes in my house and is like i'm gonna stay here i'll no i got i got i got a lease well we're at least going to

talk about this paperwork paperwork sir in 1675 the the uh the house was built here and this was uh the the people they were trying to settle it but things weren't going well and then finally they finally stuck basically and uh uh in 1747 it became part of rhode island they made it a state it became more officially a part of you know the not the united states yet but england and everything it was more official at that point so uh the everything the dates the records date back to about 1746 there is so many cemeteries in this town it's it's mainly cemeteries really it's there are 57 historic cemeteries in the town and they're the ones back home uh back east are there's bigger ones and then there's these like kind of like a like a house lot size cemeteries that are like an old cemetery like

i remember my 50 60 people in new york the street my father lived on you'd be walking and it's house house house cemetery house house house weird on the street my father lived on, you'd be walking and it's house, house, house, cemetery, house, house, house. Weird. On the street. And the cemetery, that particular cemetery, all the tombstones are from the 1700s. Bananas. Like if you could find ones that weren't completely worn away, you could see it would be like 1791. They were, that was just that old of a cemetery and they just didn't move them.

There's records that say who's there though, right? Beats the shit out of me. I assume so. I mean, there's tombstones, so I assume they wrote it it down but if they're all filed down to smooth now yeah the rain i assume i assume someone wrote it down at the time i hope so you know like on pen and paper yeah i'm sure and then put it inside where that water where that paper's safe yeah that's exactly let's not get this wet or anything like that so uh yeah there's i, there's town commons they have in the state. Only three towns have town commons in the whole state of Rhode Island.

And one of them is Little Compton. And another one is Warren, which was the last. How weird is that? Commons are like shopping areas? No, it's hard to explain. Let's not get into it. Okay, all right. Let's not get into small town river talk with James and Jimmy.

That's some deep river talk with jimmy that's some commerce talk that's some deep river talk stuff right there so uh this was designated in 1677 it's supposed to be like a central park type of thing basically this is for everybody to gather and do shit and this is where everybody's going to go it's a european kind of a thing a town center yeah kind of a town square uh the commons contain a huge cemetery though and it's a creepy looking some there's this picture i found of it on a cloudy day hell yeah and it looks like a complete stephen king like you know insert or something it's weird so uh this is my favorite part of the town there's a water tower there and it was put up in 1905

out of pure spite just because this is fucking amazing furious uh yeah it's called it's called spite tower and uh people have done this throughout time people will like build shit on in spite of their neighbor yeah to fuck with them sure this is a water tower that was built exclusively to piss one guy off and block his view one guy one guy if just i don't like him you know what i can do i'm gonna build a tower that will block his view and he can't do a goddamn thing about it. Didn't benefit the person at all. Just did it to be a dick. Look at my water tower.

And it stands to this day. It's still there? It's still there. And I think now it is like a historic thing. Like they can't take it down. So it's now the federally recognized pillar of spite which is a giant middle finger how wonderful is that not only did it survive i'll get him to take that shit down no you won't ever ever because they're gonna say you're not allowed to fucking ever we've

all decided as a nation we've decided we like it right there mr johnson so you sir can eat dicks what did he do they're all on my side shit i didn't just get the town uh constable and and and people on my side i got the whole fucking country i went to dc everything no it's the congress has talked about this dissenting opinion none none this it's funny because like i was i read up on these spite things that people build and i guess most of the time people build spite fences yeah i guess that pisses people off and they want open land so they'll build these spite fences yeah rarely do they build an entire spite structure right like build that because that's expensive to start building things like that a lot of fence you can throw up a lot of times people just paint their house uh yeah to

fuck with people i've seen a lady that, she was trying to zone her house for business and they wouldn't allow it. So she, and all she wanted to do was have a daycare center. That's it. She was just going to watch kids. So she decided to paint her whole house, every wall, a different Crayola color and they couldn't do anything about it. No, that's amazing.

Go fuck yourself. Well, this is kind of where HOAs came from, you know, spite fences and spite towers and shit like that so that's a lot of dicks that's the problem yeah it's where hoas and and you know ordinances of that kind of you can't build a water tower to block your neighbor's view just to be a jerk there's a law somewhere saying you can't you can't buy property and parcel it and make a development without an hoa in place that's ridiculous isn't that a fucking stupid ass law i hate that i will not so i will not be anywhere near a house with an hoa i live in one and i don't care because i rent it yeah that's fine yeah that's fine you don't have to deal with these people yeah not my fault i'm not going to your meetings all right you so uh yeah no no way i'm

not telling anybody what color goddamn plants i can put in my yard. Never. Eat dicks, sir. So, yeah, this was, there was a fort church built during World War II that was named for Benjamin Church. Now, it wasn't a church. It was a fort named Fort Church. Just, that's confusing for a guy named Benjamin Church. And, yeah, they put, they made a battery just in case we got attacked around the coast from the Germans. You know, that's literally, they were worried about that in case we got attacked on the coast from the Germans. Literally, they were worried about that.

Then it became a golf club. Fort Church is a golf club now. Well, near it, yeah, where they cleared shit out for it. They're like, it's a good place for golf, too. I mean, we can defend against the Nazis and golf. Damn nice grass grows here. That's good shit. So, yeah, it's been very much developed now around it, but it's very different here.

They call it kind of like an unspoiled old New England town I always see everywhere. They have this town common. They have a lot of the old buildings intact. They've kept the history. And if you see where it is location-wise, it seems like it'd be easier because you have to make an effort to get there. It's not on the way to something. You'd have to go through other places on the way to this place.

This place is by itself at the end of the line kind of thing. Last stop on the tracks, you know, like last stop on the line here. So one guy here says, quote, we like to keep it little. It's a beautiful place. He says, we like a quiet place. There are no traffic jams, no stoplights, no Walmart. We don't want to be known as Newport, which is a nearer town. It's bigger and it's just fine.

It's just fine. But they want this to be a good place to whittle on the porch, I feel like. Little Compton. Little Compton needs to be very good place to whittle on the porch i feel like this is a little compton needs to be a live it's very much like a stephen king novel yeah do you think they were furious when they were when they were like this this place is beautiful we're going to keep it pristine we're going to get all kinds of people coming and then they find out about how bad what's going on over there it's going to ruin your tourism straight out of where oh oh this isn't good has anyone notified

the mayor can we build any kind of spite audio barrier possibly we put a water tower right on the mississippi so that those people cannot see us from over there all the way so uh notable people here the reverend sylvester graham is from here you know who the fuck is that? No, I'm sure. He was a Presbyterian minister and a dietary reformer and known for his emphasis on vegetarianism and the temperance movement and eating whole grain bread. His preaching inspired Graham flour, Graham bread and Graham cracker products. He is the Graham and Graham cracker. How about that? I'm here.

He's the original dickhead. The original cracker is from here. The original dickhead. The original Cracker is from here. The original, those are great. That's the only thing that he did that's amazing. Vegetarianism sucks. Yeah, I mean, I guess Graham Crackers are a good supplement to it, I suppose. I suppose. Made it easy to give children shit to snack.

Here, hold on to that and gum it down for a while. People have been snacking on good shit since for 150 years because of this guy good for him uh he's been called the father of vegetarianism in america this guy original guy that i'm not going to listen to yeah because i like meat so uh you want to not eat it fine you know what i don't care maybe he's not a dick maybe he's just a brilliant man because he created a whole market the people have gotten super rich off of he did only live to 57 you have to look at it that way it was the 1800s but he only lived then again he could have had anything really he could have gotten a you know an ear infection right they didn't have penicillin back then so in the 1800s that may as well be 135 though every day was a roll of the

dice in the 1800s any little virus you're just dead it's over oh strep throat dead goodbye done dead ear in fact dead bad science effect right to your brain dead any little thing yeah oh you cut yourself up it's gonna get infected dead gangrene you're dead dead oh we'll lop off your arm first hopefully it won't spread to your brain if it does you're dead you're just dead brain or your heart and it's can't help you unless the answer is cut it off or carve it out we don't know we and then we don't even and it's over. Can't help you. Unless the answer is cut it off or carve it out, we don't know. And then we don't even know it's in there because we have no way of finding out other than to cut you open and take a peek.

Right. There's no other way. And that may cause further growth. Or then you get an infection and we can't do anything because we just carved you open with a dirty knife because they didn't do sterilization until late Civil War. So, I mean, this was... And then the doctor sneezed in it. mean, this was pre-sterilization. They'd chop someone else open and be like,

rinse that, wipe that blade off. Nurse, wipe that blade off. I have to slice open the next guy. Shit was insane back then. You could die of an abscess in your tooth. You could die of anything. Roll every day. Roll the dice.

Hope nothing kills me today because anything is possible. It's absolutely nuts so uh this town population wise in uh 1790 there was 1500 people here and in 1950 there was 1500 people here what so it stayed exactly the same for a really long time how the hell did they do that it just stayed the same magic it's super weird sometimes people would come and then the same amount would leave the next year. It was like they just balanced it out. And nowadays, though, 3,521 people here.

They've upped it since about 1980. People have started coming here. It's up 5% since 1990. Females are slightly more than males, which makes sense because the median age is 53.9. Good Lord. So that's way older than the 38 year old average uh in the rest of the country more married people than not it's an area it's a it's kind of it's expensive to live here by the way too so it's no england you're gonna get in

this especially it's it's in a little island in the bottom corner of an island it's a destination wait till we get to the real estate report uh So 61% married, kind of an older whatever. Divorce rates normal. Single rate is down, obviously, because married rate is up. Here, not a lot of people single with no kids, not a lot of that. Race of this town, 95.4% white. So pretty white. 0.9% black.

Almost got the 1%, guys. You just keep going and i have a stat on that which is mind-blowing by the way uh it's 0.6 percent asian 1.3 percent hispanic so uh yeah no it's pretty white uh in the 1980 census there was two count them two people two black people in this town in the 1980s. A couple. Two. Yeah. A couple. I don't know if they were together or not. There was two of them, and that's it.

Two dudes living together? Not sure. Roommates. I don't know what it was. Two ladies going to school. I'm not sure what the hell it was, but either way. The largest group here ethnically is Portuguese. Really?

A lot of Portuguese. If you remember, if you ever watch Family Guy, there was a weird subplot where he owned a fishing boat, Peter did, hired portuguese guys got it later on they go yeah i don't know why we did that because you know no one even really knows what that is who knows portuguese people that much or that they fish or where they're from or anything like that in the u.s it's not a known thing no it's not they're from rhode island and they do a lot of fishing okay the portuguese here uh the uh i guess they started coming late 1800s and uh in uh 1900 portuguese were 15 of the population is that right yeah that was their

they stuck around here because there's a lot of fishing jobs and they were good at fishing because if you know where portugal is it's on the tip of a it's in the sea basically it's all surrounded by water pretty much south america no no that is europe africa oh it's in europe yeah that's it's by spain it's beautiful portugal's gorgeous i don't know it's it's beautiful looks like it looks like spain and italy it's why the hell would they come here that's i've wondered that well oppression same reason my grandma's from a brutsi it's beautiful but i mean when the friggin nazis destroy it for years after the fascists take over for 20 before that. You know what?

It's a little rundown around here. New York's looking pretty good. Bricks in our front yard. Yeah, this is pretty shitty right now. So, yeah, 47% of the people here are religious. A overwhelming majority of those people, the biggest group being Catholic, obviously, 34 and a half percent Catholic, because as we know, Catholics are the Baptists of the North, obviously. So 0.3% Jewish, 0.0% Islam.

Last election, 56% voted Democrat, 37% Republican. So it's a more, I don't know, it's weird that it would be. It's the opposite. Usually, Northeast kind of bucks the trends on that. Normally, if you have a small town that is affluent and and 95 percent white, it's usually a little more conservative in small towns, but not in the Northeast. In the Northeast, it's a different thing. It's a that's just statistically here. Unemployment rate here, 2.8 percent right now. Wow.

Which is insanely low yeah you i don't know how you would find anybody to do anything because if you need a specific person for a specific job and only 2.8 percent of the population's kind of your your pool you might not find that person so uh median household income here is about 70 000 a year which is higher than the 57 000 average in the rest of the country. A lot of jobs in there's some construction jobs. There's a lot of shit being built. Real estate's expensive here.

Transportation is a big thing here. I guess trains and boats and things like that. Cargo off of that. Yeah. Also, health care is a big deal because there's a lot of old people and more like professional and scientific white collar type jobs here, too. So there's a lot of stuff going on. Cost of living, 100 being regular average par. Here it is 159.

A little bit high. Housing is the high one. Everything else is pretty normal except for 279 for housing. And median home cost here, $515,200. What? Yeah. Most of the houses here are worth over $400,000.. What? Yeah. Most of the houses here are worth over $400,000.

Oh, my God. This place is really tough to find at the real estate. That is unbelievable. If it's for you, though, we have for you the Little Compton, Rhode Island real estate report.

Your average two-bedroom rental here go this is the bargain i don't know how this is so low goes for eleven hundred sixty dollars yeah which is less than the national average so i don't know how you then a mortgage on a four hundred thousand dollar house i would say i found a three-bedroom two-bath 2200 square foot house is the cheapest house I could find. And it is needs work. Let's just say that $369,000 for that house, which, you know, for a piece of shit. Well, wait till you hear this, because this one's near the water. Two bedroom, one bath, 1064 square foot house. That is just that's not a great. I mean, it's not like, oh, it's amazing in here.

It's like the future. You know, it's not anything great house. I mean, it's not like, oh, it's amazing in here. It's like the future. You know, it's not anything like that. 650 grand, two bedroom, one bath. That is an apartment right there, man.

That's crazy. Finally, I find this is like a dream house. Seven bedroom, three bath, 3,334 square foot. It is on a cliff overlooking the water. Your yard is like a little peninsula of its own

where it's like a ridiculous scenic, like a postcard. You sit atop a cliff that goes where there's ocean just beating waves upon your cliff. It's amazing. 3.1 million dollars. What? Not so nice anymore. Is that the most expensive we've found in these towns? No.

We've found more. We've found higher. In this town there was 8 million. There was 14 million dollar mansion eight million dollar this is like it's just it was reasonable you know not reasonable 3.1 million dollars but that's somebody's summer home from boston right i would assume it's gotta be either that or someone lives just a wonderful lifestyle and i'm so jealous of nobody around they just go out of their backyard and put a chair down and sit there and they're all alone on a cliff with ocean around them and they just smile all day and they just smile and laugh i feel like they just laugh i feel like they sit there and they look around and just every once in a while they're like just slapping knees all day and then they smile and just sit there for a while

like tom hanks in the money pit when he's delirious on the floor just laughing so uh things to do in this town gotta be a ton right jesus uh we have the tiverton days parade now the here we go with that tiverton tiverton days parade let's have to fucking do with compton they well they announced their grand marshals this year yeah it'll be ms louise durfee oh and mr huck little that's a grown man's name his first name is huck huck little huck little compton is that a character yeah this is mr huck little and he's like a you know like a frog with a top hat and he comes out that's their fucking i don't know miss louise what he's like mr peanut yeah uh derf derfy uh the parade will be televised this is funny the parade will this

is right off their page the parade will be televised live on facebook nope that's not how that's not how facebook or television works, as a matter of fact. You can't televise something on Facebook. You've got an eight-year-old holding the camera. You're going live. I think Mr. Huck Little wrote this announcement because that is a very old man or very old woman who

wrote, it's going to be televised live on the Facebook. He didn't write the, but it's still there. May as well be. And will be posted to YouTube. Is that what it said? In case you want to watch this thing, I, but it's still there. May as well be. And will be posted to YouTube. Is that what it said? In case you want to watch this thing, I'm sure it's up there. On Friday of this parade,

bring a blanket or chair and enjoy the music of Bluegrass Invitation Band. Wow. The Bluegrass Invitation Band? Were they invited from the bluegrass or is it an invitation only type band like other bands you just show up with a fucking bottle of moonshine and a washboard?

We invited them. I don't know. The Home Brewed Band, which sounds wonderful. And McKella and the Little Necks. You know, like clams. There's a lot of clams from around there. the little necks you know like clams yeah a lot of clams from around there uh thanks to a generous donation assistance from george alzaback owner of george's gas and service and napa auto parts in fall river well what about that's amazing are you mckayla no i'm one of the clams yeah i'm one

of the little clams oh there's hold on look tce is also one of the little clams so is little dr drayla and a bunch of little girls that they're calling little clams. Little clams. That's fucked up. This is me and my little clams, if you know what I mean. Yeah, that's not right. Then they say that they will light up the fire pits, which is called fields of fire, where they basically just light up fires all over this field.

And you just sit there and there it's a field dotted with fires. That's dangerous. I guess like some sort of 50s teenage drinking parties on the beach taking place multiple dozen times over a field. Beach blanket bingo. I guess so. In a fucking field. In a field.

Yay. Sounds exciting. So crime rate in this town, what we, of course, are interested in, is very low. This is a nice, town, what we, of course, are interested in, is very low. This is a nice, little, idyllic, safe town. I mean, we're making fun of it, obviously. But I mean, this is a place where if you could afford to live in a place like this, it's not a bad place to live and raise your family and stuff like that. Too busy laughing.

Yeah, they're laughing at the ocean. I mean, if you can afford that expensive of a house and all that, I mean, obviously your life is different anyway. But on top of that, you know, this seems like a decent place to live. You're kind of separated from most of the rest of the world's problems geographically and everything else. Probably financially and financially. That's it. But it's both financially and geographically, because obviously there's a lot of neighborhoods in every city. Sure.

Beautiful neighborhoods right next to shitty neighborhoods. Right next to it. That's how that works. In May of 1980, near Anaheim, California, Dorothy Jane Scott noticed her friend had an inflamed red wound on his arm and seemed unwell. She insisted on driving him to the local hospital to get treatment. While he waited for his prescription, Dorothy went to grab her car to pick him up at the exit, but would never be seen alive again. Leaving us to wonder, decades later, what really

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idyllic idyllic people stay here people with money that's why there's a lot of older population people with money will stay here and's a lot of older population people with money will stay here and retire here still i mean if they can afford it whereas you know everywhere else they go i'm getting the hell out of here and they move to florida yeah or you know phoenix yeah or somewhere like that here they're like nope not going anywhere it's too nice it's very interesting so uh obviously we should talk about a murder that took place here. Yeah. Let's shatter it. Let's shatter the image of this wonderful thing. It was safe for a minute. It was safe.

And then? May 28th, 1999. Oh. Let's go back to 1999. Pretty recent. Absolutely, in this town. I guess it was 20 years ago. It feels way more recent.

That's the year I graduated high school. It doesn't feel like 20 years ago. Well, it's funny, because think about the year you graduated high school. It doesn't feel like 20 years ago. Well, it's funny because think about the year you graduated high school. Think about how far before that 20 years sounded. Like if someone said 1979 when you're graduating high school, you're like, oh, Jesus. I wasn't even born yet. People had like green refrigerators and fucking stupid hair. Harvest gold was words that people were like, fuck yes.

Yeah, I want avocado green. All green and harvest gold, baby. People were buying, you know, gremlins and driving them and Pintos. With a smile. You know what I'm saying? Jacked about it. Things were weird. Driving that shit home and being like, look what I did, honey.

It felt like just so long ago. Now it feels like yesterday because, I guess because we're old. I think that's how that feels. It's just so weird that 99 was that long ago and Jay-Z had like, you know, I mean, he was on his third album, I think, by then. He's putting songs out. I think he might have been on his fourth album by then. He may have been.

I don't know. Because I know the first one was out in 96 and then Reasonable Doubt in 96 and then the second one was out in 97, I want to say, right there. He's certainly on his third. I think, yeah, that's his third or fourth album, probably. It's so bizarre. Probably singles being released from the fifth at this point. I'm not even fucking around.

Like, you know, it doesn't seem that long ago. I had a friend with a 1997 car then, and I was blown away that it was so new. Looking at that car today in an Arizona sun, those cars are trash. Faded and trash. It's like upside down. It looks like it would blow away in the wind like a dandelion spore things are disaster so let's talk about a couple of people yeah back in this time period okay let's talk about a woman named patricia she's in her mid-20s here patricia rogelin or rogelin i'm not sure. Rogelin will say we'll just call her Patricia. I like that. Patricia.

Now, Patricia here. She is living with a man named Jeremy Motika or Motika. M-O-T-Y-K-A. Motika. We're going to go with Jeremy. Now, Jeremy's 24 years old and they live together in Fall River, Massachusetts. And they have a young son together as well. And the young son lives there also, which is a good sign.

Hasn't been taken away yet. That's good. And also other members of her family live there as well. So basically, he lives with her family. That's how that works. Basically, he knocked her up. They did not decide to have any sort of legal connection with each other which is fine it's your decision and then he just moved in

with her family rather than you know them getting a place of their own like you would normally want to do when you have a child yeah but they're in their mid-20s so that happens and they also not have a built-in babysitter at home if they need to go somewhere you just leave the kid with grandma that's true and the northeast too i mean even just leave the kid with grandma. That's true. And the Northeast, too. I mean, even in 99, the Northeast is just expensive. It's a lot harder to move out on your own in the Northeast because of the prices. It's not like here where you could be like,

well, I'll just go get a shitty apartment on the West Side for a while. It's fine. It'll be $7.50 a month. I don't care. Air conditioning's included. It's a dump, but, you know, I'll carry a box cutter from the car

to my door. It's fine. Where do you find a shit apartment complex in a decent area town where high school kids get emancipated and that's where they go live? That's where they live. It's very common, too. And all the neighborhood around them hate that apartment complex. We were talking about that apartment complex. I used to live there.

That's hilarious. Everybody had a place like that. Everybody lived in a place like that. But that's what you do. That's what I did, damn it. Everybody lived in a place like that. Yeah, but that's what you do. That's what I did. Damn it. You go get a piece of shit and you work on it. Yeah.

Only where to go is up. That's right. If you listen to the first, you know, five, what, 35 episodes of crime and sports, you'll hear us. The sound is way different because we weren't in the studio. We were in the living room of said shitty apartment one of those in shitty neighborhood that had free air conditioning and that was the drawing point of it so trust me we get it not taking shots down at anyone for their financial situation at 24 years old we all started somewhere yeah believe me so i started there three years ago.

Yeah, it's pretty borderline as it is. Now, Patricia says on Friday, May 28th, which is where we're talking, 1999, she went to Falmouth on Cape Cod with her son and her family. And the people that she lived with at her house, and they were going to go spend Memorial Day weekend with her parents who lived out there or were spending the weekend out there. So that was the plan. She went and did that. Jeremy stayed home in Fall River.

He said that he didn't want to go to Cape Cod because of all the holiday traffic, which does sound like a nightmare on a Memorial Day weekend. I did it for Labor Day this year. I know what he's saying. Brutal. It's horrible. You don't want to do anything like that here uh also uh he also was supposed to work friday and saturday he's he works in construction he's scheduled to work both

days so she was mad at him but at the same time he's he's got a kid he's responsible he's supposed to work i mean if he's gonna he can't i can't go to the beach and hang out with your family sorry see you when you get back uh yeah she uh so yeah anyway that was the reason he didn't go to the beach and hang out with your family. Sorry. See you when you get back. Yeah. So, yeah. Anyway, that was the reason he didn't want to go because of the traffic. And he didn't have to go because he had to work anyways. Like, look, I don't want to go. And I have to work.

Talk about forcing it. Jesus Christ. The shit here. We have nothing to even talk about. I'm not going. We live with, quote, several members of your family. It says in these court documents that haven't happened yet. Now, I feel like I should be making as much cash as possible.

If you're going to go out there, you know, I'm going to lose my day's pay and we're going to piss money away at the beach. No, we need some walking around money. What are we doing here? Somebody's got to finance your little trip. Absolutely. Now, Jeremy is not quite your upstanding, your most upstanding citizen. He has charges pending against him still that are filed that he's waiting on court action from October of 1997.

Jesus. So about a year and a half earlier here where he is accused. He's facing charges of kidnapping, carjacking and assault and battery in the town of Barnstable. Those are heavy. In Barnstable, I guess. Kidnapping, carjacking, and assaulting battery. That's some shit that happens where? In Compton.

In Compton, Jimmy. In Big Compton. In Real Compton. And not in Little Compton because that happens somewhere else. See, doesn't happen in Little Compton. Little Compton, you can't fit in the car. Oh, shit, never mind. No, it's cool. I can't fit in there.. Oh, shit, never mind. No, it's cool.

I can't fit in there. You got that, teensy. Enjoy your power wheels. You got that, teensy. His rim's spinning. Yeah. So, yeah. So, Barnstable, is that up in Massachusetts?

I think it's in Massachusetts. There, he's accused of hiding in the backseat of a car while the driver was inside of a store. What? Then, when she came back to the car, she sat in the driver's seat and he popped out and grabbed her and told her to drive off. He's one of those assholes. The scariest fucking thing. Right.

Every, and I'm not, this isn't a sexist thing, I believe every woman worries that someone is hiding and every guy too. I always look at my shit too but I'm not worried about being raped is the only difference. Women, I think it's a different worried about being raped is the only difference. That's right. You know, women, I think it's a different fear.

That asshole is the reason that car manufacturers made keyless entry. Yes. Unlock the fucking dome light turns on. Exactly. Because of this dickhead. This is everybody's fear. This is I mean, throughout how many cases start like this with somebody hiding in a backseat.

That's a monster person. If you do that, you're capable of anything anything anything in the world i don't trust him no as far as i can throw him at this point in time have you ever been in somebody's car like and they're not in it it no it feels so weird they said hey sit in my car and wait for me i'll be right there never against their will never without specific instructions to i never just said i'm gonna sit in this dude's car for a while it's never happened in my life i did it on accident walking out of a convenience store the the dude parked the same color truck next to my truck and i didn't i'm not even looking i walked out of the door just clicked it and and the clicker i didn't even hear it i tried i tried to open doors that weren't mine it just never worked if it worked i probably would have been open i climbed in and i and i went to go put my

key in and i just i was breathing in i smelled the car and i was like that's not my why does it smell like that different yeah and i'm like what is that dash mat what are these what's this shit this isn't my fucking car what is this i don't drink 72 ounce circle k drinks what's happening and then the guy came out and had his hands up. Ma'am, who are you? You're not my wife. What's going on? Sorry.

And then I got out of the truck and I'm just like, I'm so sorry. That one's mine. And he goes, oh, yeah. And then he started laughing. But I was like, this is not funny at all. Yeah. You're obviously not trying to steal it. Also, your truck smells terrible.

Also, what is that smell? I apologize again to your wife. Your wife in the passenger seat's dead, sir. She did show me her tits, though, which I don't know if that was out of fear or if she's just an exhibitionist and that's what you guys are into. You park next to similar trucks, try to lure a man in, and then she flashes her tits. Next thing you know, I'm fucking her and you're jerking it in the corner. I know how this shit works, sir.

I've been around the block a couple of times i understand your scam and your setup and i'm not going for it i sit down she puts her feet on the dash this is very weird yeah no good no good now and parted the bush sorry i'm taking it too far now that's okay it's fine he took it too far by hiding in someone's back that's That's horrible. That's horrible. And it's not even like he then was like, thanks for the ride and got out. She managed to break free and leap from the moving car as she pulled into the parking lot of a restaurant to try to get people's attention. So he was dead serious. That's the only way that she got away. We have no idea what his intentions were.

I assume not good. You don't just do that for a ride that is not how that works you try hitchhiking first i would imagine or whatever but that's not a ride situation he was taking her there to somewhere to do something bad to her so uh not cool this guy right away so this is a nice person to be hooked up with and having your home with your family and yeah have a child that guy's a father he's a father. He's a father, yeah. Patricia making some bad decisions being with this guy, and he making some bad decisions with pretty much probably everything he does.

Shortly thereafter, mind you. Yeah. Shortly after that thing happened, she may have been dating him at the time. Oh, at the time, yeah. They already have a child, and this happened a year and a half before. So, I mean, unless he met her right then and knocked her up immediately and had a kid that they probably knew of each other so very very strange uh deal here obviously now uh i guess he on saturday may 29th he gets home from work uh back to 1999 here on saturday may 29th he gets home from work uh apparently and uh she was still in cape cod patricia was still in

cape cod and she spoke with jeremy several times on the phone that evening when he got home uh they began she says she talked to him in the late afternoon a few times and then a few more times throughout the evening uh she said about 10 o'clock 10 30 is the last time uh they talked on the phone so that was that then she was gonna go to bed long day at the last time they talked on the phone. So that was that. Then she was going to go to bed. Long day at the beach with the kid and the family and the barbecue and the crabs and clams. And you know how it is. Oh, God. It's so great.

It's beautiful. It really is. Sitting on a cliff laughing at the world. You know how it goes. You don't have any cell phone reception. The beach I went to, you had to call on a goddamn telephone pole with a phone. Jesus. It only goes to the cab service. To the cab service. Yeah, to call on a goddamn telephone pole with a phone. Jesus.

And it only goes to the cab service. To the cab service. It's the most prehistoric shit. Like you're in Jamaica or some shit. Like in the middle. Where do you want to go on? Rural Jamaica. Right.

Oh, you have to call the one cab service. That's all we have. What? They got a monopoly. Because they don't have money to wear with all to build a fucking phone to them. It's either that or you walk through the jungle. Best of luck, sir. A lot of animals in there. Jungle things will eat you. Good luck. I don't have money to wear with all to build a fucking phone to either that or you walk through the jungle best of luck a lot of animals in there and think jungle things will eat you so good luck i don't know the pilgrims landed here first and then they boarded their ship and sailed south so you want to stick around here see what happens ever seen pirates of the

caribbean so uh uh so apparently they were arguing the whole evening because why not do you know what i mean this sounds like that type of relationship apparently they're arguing throughout several phone calls but they keep talking to each other yeah you're here she's there just go what do we what are we fighting about that relationship yeah oh yeah they're going back and forth that sounds familiar yeah so uh in there but i had legal documents that was forcing me to do that i've been a part of of you being there before it's a good time in it i'm i'm doing something right now please i am fucking busy i'm busy i have to record so uh she also said that his demeanor was quote very hostile which they're fighting overnight and he would probably go you were the one who was hostile and she's like no it was you

well you started and then it would go from there as a relationship also this is a guy that hides in back seats and hijacks women so i'm gonna take her side i'm on her side already right out of the gate any he's being a dick any any confrontation he has with a woman, I'm worried for her safety. And I'm on her side. Absolutely. Just based on pure past history. She could be a monster. I don't know.

We're barely into the story. We don't know. She could end up murdering eight people. And it could have been a Ben Stiller moment, too, where the hijacking that he didn't mean to. And he climbed into the car, then saw a gun and picked it up. He's just a charming bumbler, you mean, Jimmy he's just just bumbling it's like an adam sandler movie giving him the benefit of the doubt i don't know the guy it turns out like christy swanson charlie sheen fucking the chase that's how it is yeah and then she went crazy oh yeah oh boy

she got that lion lion blood what is it she's a lunatic i don't know what it is but she ate some bat shit seeds and she grew up you know a healthy nut bag tree she rubbed guano on those crazy out of her mind fuck is she crazy so yeah they argued the whole time so over the whole night argue argue phone argue just what, argue. Just what a good vacation. Sounds like a fun Memorial Day. In addition, Chase, to get around the beach, the family's there. Yay. And then on the phone, too.

On the phone, which is always more fun. Also, she said it was clear that he'd been drinking the whole time. So he's hostile and drunk and arguing on the phone. But he did speak coherently. He wasn't slurring his words he didn't seem like uh you know are you okay are you about to fall down it wasn't anything like that he was just he's not stumbling he's not no she's not you know he's not gonna he's not doing one of those yeah he's just clearly a little drunk and hostile i don't know

just construction worker after work kind of drunk baby baby. I'm not sure how that works. So anyway. He probably did say you bitch. Yeah. He's like, listen, listen, bitch. He just said, listen, bitch. Come home. Oh, he's only says that when he's drinking. So he also ends up seeing a neighbor of his who's 17 years old.

A girl named Kelly Stokes, who's a neighbor of his there. Lives right by there. She says Saturday night he was hanging out in a neighbor of his there right lives right by there she says saturday night he was hanging out in a neighbor's yard and uh so was she it was like everybody was socializing in the yard till 1 1 or 1 30 in the morning including teenagers adults drinking around teenagers drinking and well weird not only drinking she says that he was drinking both rum and beer which he shared with all the teenagers as well. Of course he did.

Because he's a classy guy. He's cool. He's a classy guy. Kids, I have rum. Come on. She said that before he got there, she and her friends were smoking weed. And that when he got there, he said, do you have any more weed? And they didn't.

So she said that, he said, can you have any more weed? And they didn't. So she said that he said, can you get me more weed? So she said that her and one of her friends were making some phone calls trying to get weed for the weird older guy who just gave us rum. That's bizarre, which is just gross. I don't want that's just creepy as shit. So, yeah, he she also says that as she was walking home following this gathering the 17 year old uh he asked her uh to go with him she said he said do you want to come home and hang out with me at my house so he tried to pick up a 17 year old from the neighborhood after he asked her to get him weed not even a random one one that lives up the street he said hey you want to hang out with me so now he's trying to bang

uh you know high school juniors. So this is a problem. This is awful. This is not great. Whether you're in the back seat or face to face, not okay with a high school junior. So they walk. She says, no, thanks. You're weird and old and have kids and drink rum.

And I'm okay. I'm all right on that. You're a father. You can't even get weed. Creepy father. Yeah. You asked me for weed. How useless are you? You live with that lady's parents and you can't get weed.

Right. How am I supposed to expect you to provide anything? You can't even provide marijuana for my child. Are you a loser or not, sir? Fucking loser. Commit. God damn you. Jesus Christ.

So on Sunday morning at 8.30 a.m he calls uh patricia and says you know what driving down to cape cod changed my mind yeah getting on down there i don't know how i've missed this whole weekend i'm sure it's been just absolutely magical yeah and i've missed everything so i'll be coming down get a gig doing some clam bacon yeah i'm gonna come down just in time to come home horrible traffic to come home well it's going the opposite way the traffic well when you come home it's gonna be going right the fuck with it i'm gonna come down there i'm gonna have a smooth ass ride there then come over i'm gonna come down to be aggravated as fuck yeah we're just gonna hang out for a few hours and then come right back so uh he she was like okay uh he arrived between 9 30 and 10 a.m and she said he

arrived said hello threw up and then proceeded to go to bed and fall asleep and remain there for the rest of the day uh sleeping so i'm gonna come down to throw up and take a nap i'm gonna come over i'm gonna puke and i'm gonna throw up and then just lay down and chill out for a while. And yeah, he told her that he'd stayed home all night Saturday drinking. Didn't mention going and hanging out with teenagers trying to pick up a 17 year old is a detail. You're obviously going to leave out. I tried to, but damn it. She's a prude. The kids at her school were right.

That shit carved on her locker. They weren't kidding. I'll tell you what. She doesn't give up a goddamn thing. They nailed they nailed it they really did they said don't even bother so uh that's how that works uh so she said that they didn't leave they stayed until monday morning because it's memorial day weekend so they have one day off yeah so monday morning at about 8 30 in the morning is when they left uh and got home And they get home to find the Rhode Island State Police are at their door, which is not what you want to arrive home to generally from a weekend vacation. And they're there to say, hey, we'd like to talk to Jeremy a little bit.

Jeremy a little bit. And she was like, is this about the case, the old case, you know, when he hid in a woman's backseat to God, you know, at the very, at the very least, kill her. You know what I mean? So then God knows what else is this about that? They said, oh, no, this is something else we need to discuss. We need to figure out your whereabouts on May 29th and 30th uh you know saturday and sunday because that's kind of important here uh because on sunday morning may 30th this is 24 hours earlier this is right when he uh said he was going to uh come down to cape cod they uh a a woman named angela spence shaw

who's 66 years old and lives in Little Compton, Little Compton here. She's a widower. She did not show up for work that morning. And so a friend of hers named Sally went to her house to check on her because she's very, very reliable, Angela. She finds that she finds her. Angela is severely is dead and obviously severely beaten and in the upstairs bathtub submerged in water. Oh, no. Not only that, there's an electric hairdryer in the bathtub plugged in. What? So there's that.

So nobody blow dries their hair in the tub. Not usually. That's kind of a known thing. You know, so it's a dry activity. That's a dry activity. And yes. So this person unplugs the bath. Obviously, you can't reach in there.

You're going to destroy. Yeah. If the breakers and circuit hasn't already gone. Oh, it's probably pop. I'm sure after it, you know, zapped. Right. Whoever. So, yeah.

So she calls, obviously, the police to figure this out she doesn't just go up well tough night i guess and go angela had a rough night but she out partying she said she had a date and they were into some kinky shit but this is ridiculous uh you know she's drowned and electrocuted so this poor woman man uh this poor woman here angela spence shaw uh 66 years old like i said in the tub uh Once the police come, they determine that she had been savagely beaten, as the way they put it, and also sexually assaulted before she died as well. The medical examiner here attributes her death to drowning in bathwater as well as substantial blunt force trauma. Jesus. So either one.

Yeah. One of those things. Beat the shit out of her while she's drowning. That's fucking horrific. Well, kind of one and then the other, as we'll find out here. It's very strange. Her home is not trashed. It's not destroyed.

It's not ransacked. Nothing like that. Her wallet is there. She has cash that she keeps in a ceramic box on her bedroom dresser which is more than 500 in cash still there untouched wow so that's an odd thing you know normally anything with a stranger you're you know gonna take money that's lying out obviously or robbery if the robbery is the the uh original motive here uh also her jewelry has left undisturbed uh both on her body and on her uh and like you know on her dresser and in her in her personal effects so it's very very strange

right away they they're like okay this you almost it's almost on purpose leaving this stuff behind it's out in the open like you would even if you didn't mean to rob the pleaders but i want to kill an old lady or not an old lady but i would like to 66 and old it's older it's older nowadays 66 is pretty in 99 still i don't know for nowadays 66 is a different 66 because yeah my grandparents were a woman born in 33 though yeah that feels old but back then i don't know she's fine she's very vibrant though she works and moves and does things she has a social life she's not a rocking chair you can be super active in 66 66 is an age where you can be either there are people that are 66 that are done and they're you know elderly and then there's 66 year olds where they act like they're 30 right and they you know so you never know i think 66 now i don't think you can even be retired at that like

to draw social security you can be retired at a fucking any age yeah but i know what you mean yeah i think you have to be older than 66 now to draw that's crazy yeah so yes it is young it's pretty young that's what i mean yeah so she's she's working she's doing shit so uh yeah it's just it's a strange thing though anytime you're gonna even if you that was your desire just to kill this woman you would think you know they they're thinking you know maybe you just swipe a pile of cash maybe not jewelry because that can be linked or whatever but a pile of cash i mean who doesn't take a pile of cash i mean if you just murder somebody weird have a look around yeah that's what i mean or you would notice it it's one of those there's nobody else here obviously yeah also no signs of forced entry which is strange as well

uh uh but uh the they uh they do find in her bedroom which is the uh she's found in the master bathroom in the tub so her master bedroom uh there there was a lot of you could see that there are violent there'd been a violent struggle that had taken place. There's puddles of blood on both the bed and the floor. And there's also bloodstains on the carpet leading into the bathroom. So it's pretty clear what happened here. Attack took place here, taken over to here. One of those. There's also blood on the bedroom furniture and on the walls.

And a lot of concentration of blood on the wall behind the bed and on the wall and door frame leading into the bathroom. So it happened in the bedroom. So it happened in the bedroom and then went in there. The bed had been moved away from the wall and also stripped of all its linens and a bloodstained pillow and pillowcase were found on the floor nearby. So he tore all that off and took the linens off obviously and i say he because this doesn't sound like a typical very rarely that's

this is not a normal female on female crime especially with the sexual assault here you're not going to find a lot of that so a lot of blood a lot of action a lot of uh an attempt at some kind of cover-up yeah they believe you know that the uh they're they're thinking that the bathtub thing might be an attempt at uh washing away trace evidence basically yeah that makes sense that was the that's the the thought here because they said the blunt force trauma would have been enough uh when she is found uh angela here she had a on only a pink night shirt and she was uh naked below the waist now uh one of the first responders here knew her and uh very well from around town to small town as

we've talked about and he said that uh even though he knew her well she was beaten so severely that she was unrecognizable unreal so that's this is a savage beating this isn't one knock on the head right this is a sustained yeah savage beating that somebody decided to inflict on this woman who i mean she doesn't have any enemies this seems super personal very nice 66 year old lady that this seems very personal of this attack here so uh there's the chief medical examiner here a dr elizabeth lopezada, and she said she performed the autopsy and said that gave into the extensive injuries, talked about the horrific internal injuries, which were visible and tons of internal injuries from this beating as well. Also found that that her genital area was... Beaten up pretty heavily. Yes, let's just

say that. There was definitely forced sexual intercourse, as she said in her report here. She said those injuries were inflicted while she was still alive. Good God. He's not a necrophiliac, whoever this person is. She also will testify

later on to the whole thing that uh that she was still alive when she was placed underwater following the bat following this beating so it's a beating a rape and then a drowning just to you know make it as horrible as possible no it's she's a fighter she did she fought i mean she fought as hard as she could but obviously this was a i mean a physical a superior physical force and also probably took her by surprise on top of it. I mean, if somebody pops up in your bedroom, you don't expect them to. What are you supposed to do?

I mean, that's a crazy thing. So she also said that during basically her, she was never unconscious during this attack. They didn't think either. They thought that basically this poor woman felt and knew everything that was going on, never just went out and then was dragged around. So, yeah, they did, obviously, a rape kit on her to collect any kind of physical evidence they might get. They did that. They found seminal fluid and sperm cells were present in uh both the vaginal and rectal area there and so uh they said that uh uh based on the contents of her

stomach the medical examiner estimates that she probably died between one o'clock a.m one and three a.m on sunday morning late sat night. That's what they're thinking here. This freaks everybody out. Yeah. As you might imagine, as it would anywhere. But in a town like this, this shit doesn't happen in someone's own home attack at that time of the night. No enemies.

Vulnerable hour that just about everybody is. That's every single person's nightmare. We've just named two nightmare scenarios. Absolutely. Getting in your car after running into a store and having someone hiding in your backseat and accosting you. Or B. One o'clock in the morning in your own bed.

You're sleeping in your own home. Oh, Jesus. Or you're supposed to be safe, especially in a safe little town like this. And then someone breaking in and being as brutally horrible as they could possibly be. That right there is why you have two giant guns you can pet. Yeah. Named Benny and Frankie. Right.

Yeah. And why I have... You could pet my gun if you want. Yeah. It won't respond. This is why... This is why you have weapons. This is fucking horrific.

This is why we do ads for SimpliSafe, honestly. And I'm not even trying to like shill a thing. Like we got that for our house because we read enough stories like this you start to go i don't want to get that to happen it happens so this is scary shit this is why people have security systems and and everything else this is scary this is the ultimate nightmare right and this is the first murder in little compton in 34 years my word so this i mean this doesn't't happen. The last murderer was wearing like fucking tie-dye. Yeah. Tie-dye.

It was in the late 60s. Early 60s. Acid was still legal. Right. I'm not even kidding. LSD was still legal during the last time a murder happened here. That's how crazy this shit is. Hunter Thompson wasn't bald yet.

You know what I'm talking about? That's how fucking long ago this was. Yeah. Very long. Very long. So Vietnam was not even as big a deal it was just a whisper it was going on there was a skirmish

people were pissy but it was like two colleges people were complaining everyone else was like what's happening over there I don't know where's John and Paul and Ringo what's going on there that's what it is yeah that's tell me something so now they're looking into

it a little bit what who could have done this to this poor fucking woman i can't imagine well they look into it a little bit and they find out right away that uh angela here was in the process of renovating her home yeah at this moment so that's something that's more people coming over the house and on friday may 28th this is obviously two days before she is killed a construction crew had broken through a wall of her house as the you know starting the process of putting an extension in addition on her home so basically the whole weekend she had a giant gaping hole in her wall with a you know a tarp over it right it's where anybody

on earth could have just gone hey there's a house in here and walk in there absolutely no she might as well have been sleeping in the yard sure she would have been safer because then people would have at least seen her out there literally if she slept in the middle of her front yard she would have heard her screams she would have been safer because at least she would have been out in the open less weapons but yeah this is the worst case scenario she was a sitting duck you know and it's and it also then they go well shit that could be anybody at this point they're not like you know there's no forced entry maybe she has a guy that she dated for a while that had a key to the house and maybe he came up you know what i mean that that exclude now that takes

all that narrowing they could have done right from that and makes it disappear gone they're they're now in with i don't know anyone who has legs pretty much right takes all that narrowing they could have done from that and makes it disappear. Gone. They're now in with, I don't know, anyone who has legs, pretty much. People in a wheelchair probably couldn't get through that hole. So we're going to go, anyone who's an able-bodied walker, pretty much. That's your suspect. Probably a guy.

So, I don't know, 50% of our population of the town. We found semen. We can go ahead and just discount any woman. It's not going to be a woman. No. Probably. She may have been an accomplice. We don't know. We'll start with the town. We found semen. We can go ahead and just discount any woman. It's not going to be a woman. No. Probably. She may have been an accomplice. We don't know. We'll start with the dudes.

Yeah. So this is terrible. And anybody that drove by could see a tarp blowing and all. I mean, it was pretty obvious. And it was warm. It was May. So it wasn't like it was covered heavily in the cold or anything like that. So yeah, they're a little bit worried.

They look around. They see, okay, we'll start with the construction crew who put the hole in the wall, maybe because they would know the most that the hole was in the wall. So they do that. They go to this construction crew. And guess who's a member of the three-man crew who did that? Our friend Jeremy. No. He's a member of that three-man crew.

This sounds like his MO, some chicken shit. Yeah. Sneak attack. Hiding with a lady, sneak attack. He can't even face a lady face-to-face. Honestly. An older lady, he can't face face-to-face. This is the most chicken shit you can possibly get.

That's a real pussy move. Yeah. This is a guy who is not going to do well in prison. No. Because A, what he did is something that, you know, if he goes to prison, he's a guy who... Frowned upon. At least for the carjacking. Yeah.

What shit he did is frowned upon, and I don't feel like he's got real good confrontational skills with other men. No, no, no. I feel like people just beat the shit out of him. Right. And that'll be that. So they do a little investigation. There's a detective sergeant here, Stephen Bannon. He is with the State Police Major Crimes Unit.

Yeah. He's assigned to work on this investigation. He's got a five o'clock shadow. Oh, Stephen Bannon. He is with the State Police Major Crimes Unit. He's assigned to work on this investigation. He's got a five o'clock shadow. Oh, he looks angry. That's a guy that's just grizzled. I've been up for 72 hours tracking down the murderer of a little girl, and now this. I won't sleep until he's found. I won't sleep until that son of a bitch is behind bars.

Chewing on a cigar that's not even lit. God damn it. He smoked that three weeks ago. He's still chewing on it. Tiny pad he smoked that three weeks ago he's still chewing on it tiny pad of paper in his hand that son of a bitch ty lucen because he's been up for three days he's still got it on but it's like crooked and lucent you know his flat top he's angry it's a little flatter than normal yeah he's just very he's super he's super discount and super tired uh detective tench that's what he is that's what he is i picture this character from the homicide He's super discount and super tired Detective Tench.

That's what he is. Son of a bitch. That's what he is. I picture this character from the Homicide David Simon book. That's exactly who I picture. Been up for three days working. So he starts doing a little work, and he interviews Jeremy. And Jeremy said that he worked on Saturday until about 3 o'clock. He went home.

He argued with his girlfriend on the phone for a while and drank a bunch of beer and some rum and went to sleep yeah that's all he did that's his story so they're like all right there's that he all i mean it's a bad story home alone drinking right but he didn't say well i went over her house i didn't kill her though which is that would be the you know put himself at the crime scene put himself nowhere said don't know what you're talking about home drinking so when that happens they go alright, they can't say anything unless they have some physical evidence or something else, a witness. So, yeah.

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And he tells them he was there until about midnight. In reality, it's about 1 o'clock in the morning. But he says it's about midnight in reality it's about one o'clock in the morning but he says it's about midnight hanging out with some kids you know contributing to their delinquency you know that goes the huge you know what do you do on saturday night i look around for children to give rum to that's and then ask them if they can get me weed and fingers crossed because shit's weird around here you know how it goes right so uh yeah he said then he uh he he went home and that was that no big deal he also tells them after leaving uh the teenagers he called his friend chris taylor who he used to work with and he calls this guy at one in the morning

this poor bastard gets a drunken one a.m phone call from him and then he says after that he fell asleep and that was it that's all uh so uh they ask obviously his his uh patricia his girlfriend here where the hell was she all weekend can you back this up and she says uh no i haven't uh but uh and apparently she says after the police left they jeremy was very interested in asking finding out for patricia what they asked her yeah as well so he's very much worried about this whole situation as anyone would be no matter how innocent or guilty you would be if anyone comes to your house starts asking you homicidy questions you're worried yeah you're like oh shit i've seen bad things happen you know who knows i mean making a murderer was a was a documentary that was interesting because he didn't do it the first time.

That's why it's interesting. You know what I'm saying? That's the hook. Shit happens. So, yeah. So, a few days later now, June 3rd, this Detective Bannon, who sounds very old school. Now he's back. He's fresh.

He's got a fedora on. Yeah. Fresh cigar. His office, when you open the door, it goes to black and white. It's very weird it's a strange thing lots of brute on him his secretary a lot of cleavage a lot of cleavage they look right and everyone's smoking in the office it's pretty much it's like black and white mad men so it's going on here boldness on the chest yeah very huge so round it's you know how

it goes it's the 60s jimmy what do you want so so uh he goes to the job site this detective where jeremy is working this is the second time he's going to talk to him now and uh at that time he says that uh uh this detective says jeremy gets a little inconsistent with him yeah and starts saying some shit that's not quite what he said before uh what he said on his home there he says that uh on june 3rd that on june 3rd this is what he said he, what he said on his home there. He says that on June 3rd, that on June 3rd, this is what he said he did that day. Jeremy says that he went to a bar after work on May 29th,

not went home and drank beer. And then he remained there until about six o'clock, which is three hours that he said completely other thing. He said something else about. He also tells him that on June 3rd, tells him this on June 3rd about the night in question that he spoke with patricia on the phone his girlfriend more than once and that is uh you know he told them at first he only talked to her once yeah but they talked a bunch of times anyway

and then now he says they talked a bunch of times he said he ordered a pizza to be delivered from dominoes which he got shit pizza i like shit pizza i'm sorry i don't know i just like it sometimes after a loss uh with the wife on the phone i like to just really bask in the in the defeat with the dominoes i get one of them deep dishes they're terrible let me tell you something i get one it's just it's like eating a rolled up sock with cheese on it and i get one of those and just stuff it in my face pass out and i hope i have a heart attack by morning that's what i do i say that should clock it up enough to kill me and when i don't have a heart attack and i wake up at 6 a.m with heartburn uh that lasts until 4 p.m i know that

i really i really deserved this and now and she was right and i've learned she's usually right but granted i did have the heartburn all day because what i do when i woke up i ate more of it that i had left on the counter since last night too it wasn't even in the fridge or nothing so i don't even it could be bad that's disgusting the cheese was hard by then but it wasn't like cold it was just hard and room temperature which i don't think is how cheese should that is the worst pizza on earth usually cheese gets softer as it warms up not harder so i think there's a problem and i've eaten that so many times we all have eaten that terrible shit of course and he said not only did he talk to chris taylor he talked to another friend of his that night as well so now his story is is changing here uh yeah he says to

the he told the detective says well why'd you call your friend and he goes i don't really want to talk about it and he goes listen dude murder and you see i'm homicide you see what that is there's there's a body sir this isn't like a fucking like an insurance investigation weed or 17 year olds don't care just here for the body who and when died right who killed him so uh yeah so he says all right fine he admits that uh he called his friend to get some weed yeah says i called my friend to get some weed and uh he says but he was home sleeping between midnight and 8 30 a.m on sunday morning when this murder took place uh he also on june 3rd the day of this interview after this interview he goes home and asked asks Patricia something a little odd.

He said, can you bring the shoes that I wear at home to Cape Cod with you? Okay. And she said, why would you do that? And he said, I can't tell you. Wow. A pair of shoes I wear around the house. Can you take those to Cape Cod with you? That's questionable.

Just keep them out in Cape Cod because I just don't want to have them around the house. Toss those shits in the ocean. Very, very strange. If you could just tie an anvil to them and maybe drop them off a boat about a mile and a half from shore in international waters, that'd be terrific. No reason. Could you maybe feed those to a giant cod? Yeah, if you just stuff bait inside of them, they'll probably rip through the fabric to get to it, I'm sure. So now two days earlier, before this June 3rd interview, he and the other construction workers were present at Angela Spence Shaw's house.

They showed up after that to work, obviously. They didn't know she was dead. Wink, wink. They noticed a box marked Rhode Island State Police that appeared to contain a foot impression. This was two days before he told his girlfriend to take my shoes that I wear around the house to Cape Cod with you. So this is all very, very odd fucking stuff here. So odd requests here. So she said she did. she brought the shoes to take

to cape cod why would she do that i don't know like it's there's no reason to but i guess there's no reason not to but they'd already been questioned about a murder so at that point i go what this is all real weird you've never you've never asked me to dispose of shoes before why are you doing it now so uh yeah they uh he questions on june 5th police go back and he and uh jeremy and two other uh construction workers gave foot impressions to the police so but i mean who knows what kind of what shoes they have now but they're just checking to see sizes i guess and that sort of thing now uh she brought the shoes to cape cod as requested but she later took them back to fall river left him in a bag in the toy room of the apartment that she shared with with

him without him knowing without him knowing on june 24th the police came to speak with her and to execute a search warrant and she said you probably want those shoes that are in the toy room he goes you bitch fucking son of a bitch uh so the police end up finding the shoes yeah hidden in a behind a dresser yeah in the toy room and he's on the phone with domino and he's like i'm trying papa john's i hear it's worse i hear it's way worse i'm doing that now too i am taking the l i'm gonna just take the l that's what you should from now on if you ever just decide to order papa john's that's known as taking the l you're just gonna take the l on the night fuck it i'm gonna eat shit food that i don't like that'll make me feel terrible i'm gonna go to sleep and hope i wake up dead that's how it

works i'm gonna dip it in that buttery gross gross shit. That fucking butter jizz sauce, and I'm going to fucking put it in my disgusting face. My disgusting, deserving face of this shit. Just look at it. Look at that. There's chunks of parsley in that jizz sauce. That's good stuff. That's what you want. Yay.

When you fight with your significant other, that should be their lost dish. Yeah, here you go. That's it. You lost this fight. You're eating Papa John's. Get on the phone with Papa John's. Enjoy. Or eat it, I should say. other that should be their their lost dish yeah here you go that's how you know you lost you're eating on the phone with papa john enjoy or eat it i should say you want it there's no chance of enjoying it because it is hot garbage if you like papa john's that's the only pizza you've ever eaten i assume you should open your horizons and eat better pizza what's your second favorite lunchables what's your second favorite a homeless man's underwear with peanut butter and a slice of cheddar cheese that he calls pizza is that your third favorite because they're pretty similar

pretty similar stop ruining pizza jesus goddamn christ when you eat it you are ruining it because you're contributing to what the fuck is out there they're just gonna keep making more the more you eat the more if you stop eating it either it'll go away or they'll improve it that's how shit works that's it you notice how dominoes every once in a while they change a brand new formula. That's because their sales were in the twilight. Nobody bought it. It's a piece of shit. And they're like, let's make a new one.

And then people go, oh, it's new. And even though it's still terrible, they buy it for a while until it tanks and they have another new recipe. That's how it works. Stop buying it. They will make it better if you don't buy it. Same with movies. If you stop seeing shit, they'll stop making shit.

That's how it works. Actually, nowadays, that's not true because no matter what you're seeing a shitload of people in china will watch things explode and understand very basic dialogue that has no you know nuance of english behind it that's why when you listen to my adam sandler successful well not even adam sandler it's action it's comic movies action why there's so many fast and furiousious. Look at what they do overseas. They don't care if you go to see it or not. It's not for you anymore.

They're not making it for you. There are many more people over there. That's it. And they spend a lot of money on shit movies. But we can't blame the nation of China for bad pizza over here. That we cannot blame them they are not having

that shit delivered that is strictly peyton manning and shaquille o'neal's fault that's on us we took the just us we took the l as a nation said sell a shit pizza sports stars i liked watching you dunk i guess i'll eat crap because you recommended it sounds good shaq looks like he'd eat anything right i don't want to be food he't want to eat anything to maintain his size you have to eat a lot right you just eat whatever's in your in your orbit i would say yeah he does he does absolutely right he thinks that remember the cinnaburst with the rappers right he thinks that's all food this is everything a bag of doritos everything he doesn't care doesn It doesn't matter to him. His favorite are the Gordettos.

It's good spice on the bag. It's good. It keeps it behind. It washes it down. It's nice. Yeah. Cracker Jack box, too. It's still sweet.

Absolutely. He likes that. Fiddle faddle. Oh, who doesn't want some fiddle? I don't like fiddle faddle, honestly. Oh, I love that shit. I want peanuts in that shit. honestly i love that i want peanuts in that shit what is it what's in that not peanut it's just butter toffee shit i think oh i think

you're right crunch and munch oh that's the one it's crunch and munch is like classy cracker jacks yeah cracker jacks is garbage fiddle faddle shit too then cracker jacks is like someone's diarrhea sprayed over some terrible popcorn well it's from the fucking 30s. It's terrible. It's the same. Same recipe. No, they made one batch in the 30s, and they're still just doling it out in boxes. That's why the peanuts are like rocks.

They got it in a goddamn song. It's garbage. It's garbage. It's a ballpark, and now they're just. It tastes like. I've never had a caramel that tastes that terrible before. It's awful. Whereas Crunch and Munch is like.

It's caramel. It's like butter and mixed butter toffee. That shit's legit. And these better peanuts. That shit is good. Yeah. It's awful. Whereas Crunch and Munch is like, it's caramel, it's like butter, it's butter toffee, and it's better peanut. That shit is good. I'm sorry. I love that stuff. What's it called?

Crunch and Munch. Crunch and Munch. Yeah. It's delicious. That's legit. It's goddamn legit. Fiddle faddle. Why do I come with, I don't think I've ever even had fiddle faddle.

I think you've seen fiddle faddle somewhere. Sounds great together. Those are good words. An old lady offered it to you once. Crunch and Munch, much better. Would you like some fiddle faddle young man no i would not ma'am thank you or sweet tea that sounds like a very uh inappropriate and probably illegal proposition yeah would you like some of this fiddle faddle young man no hey kiddo god jesus fiddle faddle i don't think so

sounds dangerous where do i stand for that? Jesus Christ. So we got a co-worker of his, Kevin Shawkett. He says that he also works on the addition to Angela's house, Ms. Spence Shaw's house. And he says at some point during this period, after a police visit to the job site, that Jeremy told this Kevin that Jeremy was concerned that the police might try to pin this whole thing on him he goes i don't like this at all they're coming around asking us questions uh i've been in trouble with the past you know my horrific carjacking of a poor woman right uh there's that so i feel like i'm being looked at here sure i feel like they're gonna go who's around that guy what's the who any records oh look at that record that fits perfectly let's just you know how he does the same fucking thing like yeah you know like mo works yeah pop and surprising yeah it's a different but it's you

know whatever real goddamn same it look it's actually more uh it's more advanced because in a public space there's more he said i need to get this more and you know how you know how you got caught last time and then this time you don't because the person's dead that's why you don't you don't let him run away exactly into the night so uh this this guy here that he worked with the kevin choquette he said what are you talking about he said that uh uh jeremy was near tears with worry and concern over this whole thing this kevin said that you got nothing to worry about because you've never even been up there what are you talking about you know we've never none of us ever been in the house so what do you care they're not there's no evidence to pin anything on you

so jeremy says actually i have been in the house though i lied to the cops i actually have used her upstairs bathroom why where they found him before they found her before to wet my hair under the faucet when we're working because it's hot oh so i snuck up there wet my hair sometimes when i get my hair wet i come so yeah well and then i also you know causes murder the rage it's a rage come i i get my hair wet and i'm like and i bust and i'm like why did i do that in my pants and then i have to kill somebody usually Usually, that's how it works. You know how it works. Ooh, jizz Hulk smash.

You know how it is. Wet hair jizz Hulk. Wet hair jizz Hulk. That's our guy here. So he says that this Kevin guy, the guy he worked with, said that during the three months that they were working together, he'd never seen this person go in. He'd never seen Jeremy go into the house ever. He used the bedroom. He used the bedroom, used the bathroom, do anything near except right around the hole

where they were working. That was it. He said he never mentioned before that he had used the upstairs bathroom. This is all news to him at this point. Now, a bunch of the people in the construction crew were asked by police to give blood samples so that they could take DNA tests

based on, obviously, the physical evidence collected from her. So on June 9th, he went voluntarily to St. Ann's Hospital in Fall River and voluntarily gave the Rhode Island State Police a blood sample. So he did that. The supervisor for the Rhode Island Department of Health's Division of Forensic Biology said that she did DNA tests on 23 different blood samples submitted by state police anybody that's been near that fucking house yeah sample them up why not you got if

they're all willing to might as well ask them if they're willing to do it you don't have to go to court to get the warrant and everything might as well get it 23 of them hey run them yeah run them through let's find out what matches up that's what's what's if you had 23 sets of fingerprints you'd run them all too sure run them down There's a 23andMe joke there somewhere. Somewhere. You get it. Right. And there's also more jizz jokes.

You know how that works. We're not going to. We've already. That's how you do the whole 23andMe thing, right? That's it. Yeah. Cracker Jacks and Papa John's, they all have jizz on them. Good deal.

That's our opinion, allegedly. That's not. We can't say that factually obviously we don't libel these people but you know we've heard right people are saying i think you're allowed to say that based on how politics work people are telling us that uh all papa john's pizzas are smeared with what's called a jizz sheen they don't announce it to the public but it's it's special it's a special special because uh they they produce it every time papa john but it's it's special it's a special special because uh they they produce it every time papa john shoots an elephant that's what it is he shoots an elephant

he comes everywhere he comes everywhere and they bottle it up and you know how the crust is shiny that's not olive oil everybody that is a jizz sheen right that is coded thoughtfully by shaquille o'neal on every single pizza personally it's not his jizz it's papa john's jizz mind you right but shaquille o'neal brushes it upon he's the sheener as they call him shack we need three sheens over here he's like oh jesus fucking i got a minute now where's the vat oh there it is okay he does it with with a paintbrush or like one of those old bug sprayers. That's, yeah. The one that you go, shh.

Well, he ladles it out from the main vat into another and then he does it from there with the bug sprayer. Like in wrestling when they would spray in your face like one of those DDT sprayers. The plunger on the tube that's sideways. Like when Marlon Brando died in The Godfather. Yeah. What he was spraying witho died in The Godfather. Yeah. What he was spraying with. Yeah, one of those.

Like a caulking for, like a caulk gun for pesticides. Disgusting. So that was the most disgusting thing we've ever done. We're normally not too deep into that. No. But that's how awful Papa John's is. I'm sorry. And him.

And him. This guy. This guy is as bad as a giz-jeaned Papa John's is. I'm sorry. And him. And him. This guy is as bad as a giz-gined Papa John's pizza. Put it that way. That was taken from the expectorant of an excited poacher. That's what we're talking about here. That's the type of deal we're doing. I didn't know what that word was until you just used it in that

disgusting sentence it's the most vile way that word's ever been used i was looking for a better way horrible do it. That's a horrible word. And that's what I come out with. Jesus Christ. I'm going to order Papa John's tonight with extra expectorant. Can I get extra? They're going to go, excuse me? Oh, you know, that little cup that comes with it.

You know, I'm on the phone. You can't see me, but I'm winking. You know what I mean? You know what that little cup that comes with it. You know, I'm on the phone. You can't see me, but I'm winking. You know what I mean? You know what I mean. Tell Shaq to dip into the vat a little extra with that ladle if you could. That's all I'm saying. Are you saying you want that extra butter sauce? Yep, that's something like that.

Yeah, that. Sure. Go ahead. Expectorant. Fucking gross. Oh, my God. That is fucking hard okay back to something somehow even more horrible yeah than that here uh so 23 blood samples here they collected all the samples as we know uh she was able to exclude 22 of the 23 persons who had provided blood samples from being the donor of the DNA. The only person who she's not able to exclude.

Big shocker. Shack. No. Big shocker. Papa John. Obviously. No, it's actually Jeremy. Yeah.

Obviously, as we might notice, they talk about in this statistical probability that it would be somebody else. And it's DNA. So it's pretty slim. Yeah. And this is in 1999 2000 so this isn't like you know 1991 and this shit's new they they got it down they've already botched oj yeah they know how to you know it's different they got some they got some fail safes and they got processes if you don't hold this, you know, you have, I assume every department has a, every department probably has like an assigned jizz man. Yeah. Any semen, you're going to take care of it.

And that way the jizz man. Yeah. I don't know. I'm sure it's officer Albert jizz man. And he comes in with, and they give it to him and he's the protector of it. Right. Drives around. And I figure like a white Volkswagen beetle for some reason, it's kind of nebulous sorry a new one a new one yeah that's what i mean

a new one a dome one yeah exactly i don't know why that's that's the car that jisman would drive like flower yeah yeah so falling in the sea with what on the back yeah a jesus fish that's right because it's yeah so anyway he's, I don't care about religion. I just want a fish on there. I just got to bring it. You know, something that swims. So they said that after the DNA test is concluded, that's when they come to arrest him at his apartment. That is June 24th.

That's when they find the shoes there. Patricia's like, well, if he's getting arrested anyway, there's no shoes back there that he didn't want you guys to find apparently uh he's interrogated obviously uh they sit him down uh he does give police a statement to his whereabouts on the 29th which is pretty much what he said on june 3rd got home ordered dominoes hung out with the teenagers for a little while went to a bar remained there till six went home ordered jizz pizza had it delivered talked on the phone with his girlfriend and some of his friends looked for weed um then he said he arrived from his home at the uh after he got home from the bar he consumed about 10 uh 12 ounce beers and some rum so 10 cans of beer and some rum over the course of uh you know of six hours he said but

he's already at the bar it's quite a bit and he pre-gamed at the bar too and some rum yeah we don't know how much indiscriminate amount you do that's what i mean he says as we'll get to it very vague uh he says later on how big was the bottle and he says about this big yeah so he had he literally had no measurement of a milliliter or anything like that he He said about like that. So it was very strange. He said he stayed home all night and went to talk to some teenagers, yada, yada, same old shit. He said he'd never left the area that evening, never traveled to Spenshaw's home, didn't do any of that. He denied that he sexually assaulted and murdered her.

He denies everything. After they get the warrant for him, though, they go and they get him. They collected him and the warrant for his house separately. They went and got him off a work site, then showed up at his house and were like, yeah, we just arrested him,

so we're going to tear the house apart. And then, yeah, exactly, because then she was like, fuck it, take those shoes. So, yeah, they grab him. They transport him. They question him now it's important here because later on he's going to say they basically they they put him in a in a horrible situation and uh you know he's going to say the interrogation was not okay

uh it's a 10 by 10 conference room which is pretty typical for a interrogation room you've ever watched the first 48 or anything with police in it uh it had one wall uh it had it had on one wall above the eye level an open window six to eight feet long what's the viewing window there uh it had a table and three to five chairs had a phone uh he said that uh he wasn't handcuffed or shackled while in the room he's free free movement he said he advised him of his miranda rights uh j him of his Miranda rights, Jeremy of his Miranda rights, and using the printed form,

they gave him the evidence. They showed him the warrant that says the DNA evidence and all that sort of thing. They said that, he said that after the cop filled out the portion of the form, told him to read the form, he initialed everything, and that's the rights form. After having been informed of my constitutional rights, I understand understand these rights i agree to give a statement at this

time and also number eight on that list more possibly more important i do not want an attorney called or appointed for me at this time that says i'm waiving my rights willing to talk to you um he read through the form he uh initialed every line he He did everything like that, said he understood his rights. He signed at the bottom. He said that he had no lack of understanding. They said, do you understand? He said, yes. And then they went on with the questioning. They questioned him from about 425 p.m. to 940 p.m., which we know is well within the parameters of an okay amount of interrogation time.

amount of of interrogation time they basically say after about after about eight hours that's when they that courts start uh getting questiony with confessions because get it or not after 10 hours you can get anyone to confess they'll say anything they'll say anything yeah absolutely it's a that point it's 10 by 10 it's a psychological torture at that point you think you're never gonna get out of there i know it's not torture literally but it's in their heads it is and people have confessed to shit they didn't do a lot because they've been in there for too long usually the first couple hours they don't crack but uh you know after a while brendan dassey just wants to watch wrestlemania and he'll say fucking anything to go home that's a fact and he didn't go home he was like literally like i just get to watch wrestlemania right and they're like yeah

just tell us you killed everybody and everything's everybody's dead and then wrestlemania is all yours buddy yeah front row where's kane yeah. Just tell us you killed everybody and everybody's dead. And then WrestleMania is all yours, buddy. Front row. Where's Kane? Yeah. Ringside. You're going to be great. Undertaker's going to high five you as he runs by.

Don't worry about it. You're going to have so much stone cold beer all over you. You're going to love it. You're going to love it. So they said the door was closed except for officers coming in and out. Very typical interrogation room. Yeah. If you've seen, I don't know, The Wire, which I know you haven't, but other people may have in this audience, or First 48, or Law and Order, or every police show since the beginning

of time, either dramatized or real. It's the same exact thing. They also gave him pizza, soda, and cigarettes as well. So he could smoke, he could drink soda, he ate food. Pretty nice afternoon. That's what I mean. It's like a kid's birthday party.

Was there polling? Was there a piñata too? Was there a bouncy house here? Because this is going to sound like a great fucking time. So I don't know what's going on. So they give him all the stuff so he can't say he was deprived of water and food and he was starving or he was lightheaded.

They got him cigarettes for fuck's sake. They gave him smokes and everything. When they think someone's going to crack, they'll give him anything. Keep talking. Here's some cigarettes. It's okay. So they said that he never requested going to the bathroom at all for some reason in five hours, which is the bladder of a champion, this man. He might be an asshole, but his bladder is amazing.

I got to go right now. You always have to go. You had to go during the live show in Atlanta. In the second one. In the second one. I think beer on stage, bad idea. Let's stick to booze. Less volume.

There's just so much volume. What do you say? Yeah, you come out with three tall boys, and I'm like, that's not... That's not going to do good. That's not tenable. Can't drink that and hang out here for an hour and 45. This is going to be front row is in trouble here, because there is going to be an expectorant.

Everybody break out your pizzas. He's about to pop. There's a splash zone. Awful. So, yeah, he said, never said he was too tired. Never said, you know this you guys are killing me here i don't know what's going on anymore he just sat there ate his pizza drank a soda smoked a cigarette and talked uh no one threatened coerced or promised him anything

all that shit he was shown the arrest affidavit that said there's a dna match between him and the semen found within her uh angela spenshaw's body and uh they said can you provide an explanation for that right which is a good question that really doesn't have an answer for uh he has uh this is amazing by the way he has he has quite he he has explanation he has a story he's got a story for this of how without killing this woman or even being there right somehow his his semen ended up in her dead body how did he david blaine her his seed into her this is david copperfield never mind david blaine this is making a statue disappear or whatever this is crazy this is not hiding in an ice no this isn't doing a good card trick this is some different shit here uh the by the way the

detectives two hours into questioning they they had deemed him one of them wrote down quote brazen bold arrogant bizarre and preposterous that's how they've deemed him and his bizarre brazen bold arrogant bizarre and preposterous so i like how he broke up the bees yeah he's like i'm starting to get alliterative here i can't do that yeah throw in a new break that up and preposterous which sounds just a hundred percent ludicrous ridiculous doesn't make any goddamn sense sounds like you're being judged by an educated person preposterous what did you say preposterous no wrong you are preposterous when someone says that's preposterous you go wow you have to question yourself if you said i was born on this day in this year and then someone says that's preposterous, you go, wow, you have to question yourself. If you said I was born on this day and this year and then someone said that's preposterous, you'd go, was I born on that day?

You'd take your fucking license out. Was I not from there? Mom, are you lying to me? This guy says it's preposterous, so I'm starting to doubt you. I'm being honest here. The man said preposterous and then shot expectorant everywhere. All over the place. My pizza crust

is very shiny though I'm gonna dip it in that sauce so they said that uh wow they asked him if they would allow they said do you mind based on what you said because it's it's interesting they did like in Mindhunter when it's like you just have a really

amazing vocabulary guy says crazy shit it's kind of like that. They're like, this is pretty, pretty remarkable. And it could be a scientific first. Do you mind if we record this just for posterity for, you know, the future for scientists? So they'll know things. And he said, sure, let's go. You fire it up.

Let me tell you how this happened here. So they said, you know, in the beginning of it, they said, now we've advised you you're right right they're holding in snickers right okay yeah this is so you start again could you please just could we go back from the beginning and he said correct you've done everything they said okay all right uh so let's do this here uh he oh my goodness god his explanation here so he does that and we'll give you the explanation in one second uh he reviewed the content signed the transcript make sure that's what i meant to say this is it this explanation here so he does that and we'll give you the explanation in one second uh he reviewed the content signed the transcript make sure that's what i meant to say this is it this is it right here they continued they got a second tape recorded statement again yeah and they did it again they

just kept taper just to make sure this is your fucking story and you're not backing out of it uh yeah then father they gave it to him uh uh next morning, his statement that he made a transcript of it the next morning. Remember when he did this yesterday? After he slept on it, just said, is it still okay? And he went, signing off, absolutely. This is his theory, okay? Explain why semen was found in a woman's vagina and rectum that you should not have been against. You didn't do that.

You were only in the building to wash your hair. Okay. He says at this point, okay, guys, now here it is. This is the truth now. I've lied to you before. Okay. A lot of times me and my girlfriend, see, we have sexual intercourse before work in the morning. Right?

Yeah. So I'll be like, I'm horny in the morning. Sorry. I'm just a guy. You know what I'm saying? Horny in the morning, right? So I'll be like, I'm horny in the morning. Sorry, I'm just a guy. You know what I'm saying? Horny in the morning. I jump on the old lady in the morning. I'm like, come on now, wake her up and shake her and hump on her a little bit.

And then when I'm done, they would do that. And he said, I would go to work right after that because I'd be fucking right up until work time. So I'd have to run out of the door and what i would do is i would run up before i started work and i'd run up in spent shaw's bathroom and i'd wash up in her bathtub wait what i'd wash see that's how it worked see i would i would wash the get in the tub the sex and clean right clean my balls time at home i check in the job hey boss i'm here i gotta pee quick and then run up and then instead of peeing he actually uh pulls his pants down and washes his balls in her tub in her tub sits down does a good

and he has so much excess yeah he is covered it's covered in it of his eyes it's all over just it takes him about a half hour to complete work i am i am coming the whole way i can't help it so i really need to clean myself up i call my boss and i go boss i know i'm late but don't worry i'm coming and then i just giggle i keep doing it said, he said, so when whoever killed this poor woman, obviously it was a terrible tragedy, put her in the bathtub, it rejuvenated my sperm that had been lying around in the tub before that. And then it must, they must have, you know, as sperm swim toward a target. It's dry freeze. They just, they ran, they knew where her vagina was and they ran right in there because that's what they do. They get because they're smart.

Right. So they got a day at one job to do. Yeah. So the police have a couple responses for that. One, his girlfriend, Patricia, said that during this time period, they've never had sex in the morning before work. They've never they've only had sex at night after which after which he would always, quote, wash off any seminal fluid with their son's baby wipes. So there's that. He's all class, first of all.

He's all class. Wipe off my jizz with the kid's wipe. This one's still good. You can still use this one a couple of times anyway. If it's not one of them up the back, down the legs type of shit, you could at least get an initial swipe on it with one of these.

If it's just pee, just wipe the balls off. It'll freshen them up. It's all the same. Gross. Then, so they said, that's also why that's probably not happening. Plus, medically and in science, the vagina is a closed space.

Right. It's not just open. Things can't just fly up in there at any time. That's not how it works. Every time a woman would go swimming, she'd come out looking like a grape, like a big balloon filled with water otherwise. You could, oh, I can't swim.

I gotta, hold on, let me board up my vagina first. It's gotta do it like a Florida beach home in a hurricane. Hold on a minute. Just hammering them in. There we go. All right. Now I can swim because I got to seal it on up now. Every swimming pool would have particle board where the towels are.

Yeah. Ladies, you're watertight. Don't fret. Very similar to your butthole, sir. You're going to be all right. They said it's a closed protected space. Therefore, there wouldn't be any seepage or leakage from material in the tub. Especially that much to get a sample of it.

That'd be a shitload. He just had little jizz reserves built up on the tub. How much does he leave him behind? That's a lot. Too much, I would say. Arguably too much semen.'s filling the tub that's that's another way of putting it yeah i'm doing this i'm doing hey i'm filling the tub that's not no one's ever used that before so town reaction uh people are freaked out everyone's very happy with the

news of the arrest though because at first people were losing their minds because they were like this could happen anybody it's just some crazy nutcase breaking into some single lady's house and murdering her. This is horrible. One guy here, a guy named Joe Tracy. Joe Tracy, a psychologist who a reporter ran into, quote, sitting on a bench in the quaint town square, as a reporter described it. He says that residents can, quote, can return to their placid ways again, laughing at the ocean. Rest of you back to Placid. Back to Placid.

They said that they have been started to lock their doors lately based on this case and everything. Nineteen ninety nine. Still not locking doors, by the way. They said that, you know, they were shocked because this is obviously a rich town yeah uh so the little compton police chief his his name is egbert hawes really little compton police chief chief egbert his name is egbert this is pretty great egbert hawes i can't get enough of it i wish i would have thought of that name when i had my son eg. I can't get enough of it. I wish I would have thought of that name when I had my son. Egbert, you should have.

I can't get enough of it. Excuse me. As a middle name, at minimum. Oh, God. That's hysterical. That would have been great. That's so solid. Egbert.

No, that's his first name. He's Police Chief Egbert Hayes Hawes. Sorry. He said, up until now, everyone we looked at could have been a suspect. Yeah. So they finally got their man, they figure. But like I said, it's been really bad. we looked at could have been a suspect yeah so they finally got their man they figure uh but like i said it's been really bad everybody was worried that uh that anybody you know that uh you could

anyone could strike at any time the uh a publisher of a local newspaper named marcia england that's her name not the newspaper right she said quote i know a lot of older women in their 80s unless you're an older woman in your 80s how many older women in their 80s. Who knows a lot of older women? Unless you're an older woman in your 80s. How many older women in your 80s do you know? This is weird. I know a lot of older women in their 80s who never locked their doors. And after this happened, people started locking their doors. If you're in your 80s, lock your fucking doors, please.

For the love of God. I don't care where you are. Put a chain on that. Yeah, I don't care where you are. Lock them up. Lock them up. Two, three locks. Yeah, let's do it.

Lock it hard yeah please jesus trust me based on what happened to my great-grandmother screen door yeah just in case all of them it'll be loud when they break it you'll know they're coming you can call the cops or something so bail he wants bail he goes well i should get bail i mean based on my bathtub theory alone i've advanced science so if not some sort of i don't know a nobel prize i feel like think about nobel prize nobel prizes but yeah for jizz research yeah uh nobel prize in the air in the in the category what is it called the uh the the field the field of uh jizzology goes to young jeremy you know what bail for you you for you. You're going to have to get to the Nobel Award ceremony soon.

He advanced placebo science so many years. So many years. It's amazing. So, yeah, they try to get... He wants bail. Chisology. Chisology. He's a leading source of it.

It's wonderful. He says that, Jesus Christ, the prosecutor at the bail hearing says that Jeremy, quote, he viciously, brutally pummeled her until he could have his perverted ways with her. Which sounds... That's disgusting. You put it in the way that would make everyone as angry as possible and go, I don't want him on the streets. Why don't you kill him?

Which is a good idea, yeah. So they did that. He gets no draw, or no draw, no bail. They drag her. They're saying he drug her into the bathtub, placed a hair dryer in the running water as well. Just like, well, I can drown her, and she's going to die from beating,

but just in case, I'll make it look like a suicide. Right. She's had enough. Yeah, she just... She just bashed her head against the wall what do you bash yourself all up found papa john and then jumped in the tub that sounds to me like this woman really really fought hard she fought her ass off man yeah she got woken up in the middle of the night and didn't go easy right and she fought back uh they also uh find uh the bloody pillow it's so bloody because they believe he held it over her while he beat her oh to keep himself from being injured and to keep her uh you know the hair and things off of him and stuff like that wow that's a little forethought

yeah that's what i mean that's horrific he has thought about this obviously probably in the two years since a year and a half since he hidden the woman's backseat to kidnap her and do god knows what this is what he's been planning on doing who knows he could have been fantasizing about this since he was 15 good and pissed off at his ex-wife and an older lady wife his wife an older lady like this a lot of times this is i would say that who knows how many of these he's done before but the fact that it's like an older lady like this shows that it's soft target probably his first time or what or it hasn't done it a whole lot hasn't narrowed it down to what he's into he just narrowed it down to this is what i can get right that lady in the car a little more difficult she can run right cornered

in a bedroom while they're sleeping opportunity that's better for him yeah but i mean who the fuck knows uh now he isn't a big guy, but he's a strong guy. He's a construction worker. He's not a pushover. He's strong enough to overtake a 66-year-old woman who doesn't know he's coming. Right. That's the other thing. Imposing your will on a 66-year-old isn't so tough.

And not even in a fair fight. We're talking in a, you know, wake up in a dark house where this guy knows what's going on and you don't so uh yeah they talk about that uh they talk about that he knew how to enter her home had you know know that knew that she lived alone he knew that uh he was there so he knew that she would be home until you know she knew he knew her comings and goings from being at the site for a while uh so uh the prosecutor quote, even giving him the benefit of the doubt, he had time to attack her, beat her, pummel her, rape her, and dispose of the evidence. He had seven hours to accomplish that task,

more than enough time. So they're saying, yeah, he was last seen at 1.30, and he called his wife, or he called his girlfriend at 8.30 and said, I'm coming to Cape Cod. So he had seven hours of where he's unaccounted for. That's a lot. The Domino's pizza, by the way, was not from that that night it was from the night before gross friday night even worse they did they checked the records they delivered him a pizza on friday night not on saturday night

so he lied about that too now his lawyer says i don't know what do you say if you're his you stand up there and you go look listen he he ordered the pizza the night before he clearly doesn't know anything he clearly has no idea where he is i know this looks bad right i'm not gonna lie we'll say that the pizza as my associate just mentioned he ordered that obviously so he doesn't know what pizza's bad right so clearly he's not in the right mental state yeah plus i believe there's something physiologically wrong with him to produce an amount of expectorant to fill a bathtub to the extent of so i'm you need to check him over basically no he says i fuck he says his

lawyer says quote he did not murder angela angela spent shaw he did not sexually assault her your honor there is no physical evidence to suggest otherwise. That's it. And the judge says, we actually, that DNA stuff is pretty physical. By the way, before the trial, he's saying this on purpose, the lawyer saying no physical evidence, because

basically they do a hearing in May of 2000 where his lawyer says DNA isn't real. Oh, boy. He goes, that's not a thing. Basically, he says prove why DNA isn't real. Oh, boy. He goes, that's not a thing. Yeah. Basically, he says, prove why DNA should be allowed in. Prove why that's it. He's going to be that dick.

He has a pretrial evidentiary thing to where he's asking for the reliability, relevancy and admissibility of DNA evidence and seeking an order prohibiting the state from making any reference to DNA evidence in the case. Because he says, basically, it's not real. He says the court previously approved the use of restriction fragment length polymorphism DNA testing, and it had never approved PCR DNA testing, another kind, this particular court but it's basically uh that's an accepted there's several accepted ways to test dna that are acceptable in court mitochondrial is that i think that's what it's i don't know anything about it but this is a pcr dna analogy analysis

and this is a restriction fragment length polymorphism an rflp dna yeah those are different those are there's different kinds of they use different machines. We get the same results. So he also argued that the court should exclude the evidence of DNA according due to the fact that the justices pretrial discovery rulings by denying him access to critical information relating to the analysis made it impossible for them to cross-examine the witness basically he says you didn't give me exact like scientific breakdown of how this machine works and all that and they were obviously going to go over it make sure that that would scientifically test dna because i'm sure he knows which is fucking crazy so on uh uh this trial this last several days this pre-trial hearing to see if d DNA is now an acceptable thing in court in 2001.

We go into 2001. This is six years after OJ got acquitted. DNA is very acceptable. I've seen it several times in like that autopsy show on HBO. By this time, I've watched this show like six times. It's been a plot of approximately 600 Law & Order episodes. I've just convicted someone on HBO. By this time, I've watched this show like six times. It's been a plot of approximately 600 Law & Order episodes. I've all just convicted someone on DNA.

Yeah, so they said that the justice noted that the use of PCR testing and its results were one scientific issue that the Supreme Court had not yet specifically addressed. But they also found that that testing is not new in the scientific world or

in trial usage it's standard they just didn't specifically say that one's okay they just accepted the results of it i mean i like the lawyer because the lawyer he's doing oh he's trying to be doing his job he's being ticky tacky yeah but he's basically going in and it's just dna stuff your honor we don't even know what those words do you know what that stands for off the top of your head of course not your average person no one knows it's garbage it's bullshit but nobody knows what tnt stands for either but we know that blows shit up that's what i'm talking about the other part is like he's just going in and his his whole defense is nope nope not me first of all they present their whole argument and then his lawyer stands up and goes, nope.

No. Machines don't work, number one. Obviously, my client had been using that as his jizz receptacle. That's what's happening here. Even if that's true. Even if the DNA is true, which I don't think it is. But if it is, obvious explanation for it. Case, I can go home now?

We're done? We done? I think we're done here. He's going to order a Domino's. Should he give them this address or her home address? He's going to be home in 30, right? We should be good? Because that pizza's going to be here in 30.

It's coming. They guarantee it now. So, shit here at your house in 30 minutes. Gee, thanks. You promise? Sounds like a threat. I'll bring a Domino's pizza to your house. I'll be there in less in 30 minutes. Gee, thanks. You promise? Sounds like a threat. I'll bring a Domino's pizza to your house.

I'll be there in less than 30 minutes. No, I don't want to eat it in 30 minutes. Sounds terrible. Or else it's free. It's going to be free. It ought to be anyway.

Sounds like shit, sir. So this, for May 24, I'm sorry, in 2001, this court date, he comes into court on crutches

because he broke his leg while in prison. Hopefully somebody painfully broke it up. Hopefully two guys held it over in open space date he comes into court uh on crutches because he broke his leg while in prison hopefully somebody painfully broke it up hopefully two guys like held it over an open space while another guy jumped on it happily and victoriously like he just won the lottery until it snapped in half like a fucking twig because i don't like this asshole uh so uh they said that uh uh the dna is going to be admitted in and everything like that. It's happening.

I hope his lawyer broke it. You asshole. You dumb motherfucker. You dumb bastard. You gave me nothing. The other construction workers probably did it. You ruined our whole shit. We could go in and out of houses at will now that they're looking at us. January 23, 2001, trial starts.

now they're looking at us uh january 23rd 2001 trial starts uh he gives he testifies which is an interesting uh strategy he's gonna testify here uh basically his case before he because his lawyer's like i'm not saying how that got in there i need you to get up there and tell them what you told these cops i need you to say how this stuff arrived because otherwise that expectorant i can't just say it i can't say i can't do it here it's it's fucking ridiculous so uh jesus christ so yeah he says that uh it's an identical statement that his lawyer gives of what he did you know that night he didn't do any of that blah blah blah kids rum pizza phone conversations she's in the tub she's in the tub uh he says that he did lie about having sexual intercourse with his girlfriend before going to work in the morning he does say he lied about that he also says that he was familiar with the floor plan of spent shaw's

home and knew how to get up to her bedroom from the opening in the wall that he and the other construction workers made as part of the the you know the addition so uh he does however though during his testimony he admits that uh he says uh uh that uh they noticed that him and the other construction workers noticed the box marked rhode island state police with the foot impression and that's why he got rid of the shoes because he thought they would try to pin it on him based on his past. So they also, he presents evidence saying that he was so drunk that he couldn't have done this. He said he drank about 12 Heinekens

and three quarters of a bottle of rum. So he goes, I couldn't have done this. I couldn't have gone over there. I wouldn't even have been able to drive. Whiskey dick, you ever heard of it? Never heard of it. Plus, I was a bit stumbling. But Kelly Stokes, the teenager from the front yard there she says she saw him drinking both rum

and beer and uh that he wasn't stumbling he wasn't falling down he was fine he talked to patricia on the phone she says that he'd been drinking when she spoke to him by telephone but he seemed fine no slurring no slurring so he has no evidence at his level of his level of intoxication they has no nobody said i saw him not being able to hold himself up under his own power at 1 a.m so he couldn't have possibly gone over there and did this which that would have made sense if he said that so uh there's no evidence regarding his tolerance for alcohol based on his you know drinking habits or he doesn't present anything like that like you know this guy could he could still drink that much and whatever uh nothing they also don't give any evidence of whether he ate any

food uh that sort of shit so there's no way to tell any kind of intoxication to what degree it is uh here they say quote there was no testimony at trial regarding how much alcohol defendant typically consumed how much defendant weighed or how much food he'd eaten that day. All factors that are relevant to determining whether the person is intoxicated. Also, he testified to drinking three quarters of a bottle of rum. And they said, how big was the bottle? And he said, quote, about this big. Yeah. So held his hands out and then held his hands out as if he caught a trap.

Yeah. So finally, he gets there. He gets to Angela's home uh they said and they said that he had uh you know enough self-awareness drunk or not to use a pillow to cushion the blows so he wouldn't suffer any cuts or bruises during this and bleed on her uh but uh you know dragged her in submerged her with water plugged in the hair dryer turned it on placed in the bathtub all that shit uh then it shows that he cleaned up the bathroom and removed the sheets from her bed and was then sober enough to safely drive himself back home.

So evidence says that you're full of shit. You weren't that drunk. He testifies here, and he's almost in tears when he talks about how the police confronted him. And then he seemed angry when they were cross-examining him. He was very fiery about it. He says, quote, about the state investigators, they weren't believing what I was saying and I wasn't believing what they were saying. So they were trying to pin it on me is what it was. He said he's just a team, one of a team of workmen.

He didn't do shit. a team of workmen. He didn't do shit. He says that he decided to lie after state police repeatedly asked him how his DNA was found inside her, telling them he had sex with his girlfriend and then went to work. He says that he just did that because he thought they were trying to pin it on him and he had to get out of it somehow in that way. He says that he definitely lied, though, because they didn't have sex that morning. He says that he did use the bathtub to splash water on his face and other parts of his body,

but that's all. That's all. He says he was drinking beer at the house, gave his regular story. He says he just got home at 1.30, opened up a can of beer, watched TV, passed out in his chair, woke up at 8, went to a store to get a part for his car and then called his girlfriend at 8 30 and uh which he actually called her at about 9 30 phone record show he said 8 30 the whole time then he left for cape cod and went uh you know when went to cape cod for that day uh now she says his girlfriend, Patricia, says that he was upset when he arrived, arrived at Cape Cod, but he was also drunk and hung over and was throwing up and stayed in bed all day.

And he did not. He couldn't. He couldn't dispute the DNA evidence other than saying DNA is fucking not real. So that didn't work. fucking not real right so that didn't work uh so he said that uh on the stand he contends that the semen found inside of her uh rather than it and that's not his he said it was planted there by uh on a swab by a third party yeah so yeah this is so his science is amazing he's terrible they're planting my semen everywhere all right everybody's got a sample i just gotta give them out for christmas so who has a who could has a hold

of my semen i don't know a lot of people 50 60 people anyway everyone who doesn't have your jizz we all have jizz i think everyone has some so yeah he says that uh he uh uh jesus christ he also he provided them with a semen sample in addition to the blood sample. And he said, that's where they got it. He said, then they retroactively, they went in and were like, it was in there the whole time. You know, that works. So, Jesus Christ. They said, obviously, no.

Had to bring the detective up to go, yeah, no, there's a chain of custody. And this is how it worked. And the jizz seal was never broken. and this is how it worked and the jizz seal was never broken so uh he he said that uh he said after he was told he's a prime suspect and that it was a time to help himself out he says that that's when he started telling him that uh that there were differences that that's when they started he basically started saying that uh he thought the cops were on him and were trying to pin it on him at that point even more now they're trying to do it scientifically you know uh he said that uh the detective furnished him with a cup and a pornographic magazine and then he went into his own car in the saint anne's hospital parking lot

and produced the semen sample which he gave to the deck they didn't even put him in a bathroom oh god he said go out in the car and whack it which i believe you get arrested for doing i would hope so the cops employed him to tug into a cop that's his testimony uh yeah he said uh the detective says that uh he did talk to him about it but that he did not uh he asked him to provide a semen sample he said in 11 years with the state police he's never taken a semen sample from anyone or seen another detective. Thank you. We'll get it from the blood.

Yeah, we don't need your good. It's all we'll figure it out from that. Thank you. We don't need your jizz. Keep your jizz in your pants, mister. Keep it on your pizza. Keep your save it for your pie. So also, after he was arrested, never mentioned anything about semen sample.

I never mentioned any of the shit until on the stand started talking about this. And they talk about second blood sample that was given and all that sort of thing. We don't need to get into. They do all the forensics on the stand. They talk about how it's a match at every single thing, every point of everything. every point of everything. You know, it would have to be him and, you know, one other person that lived 100 years ago in China.

They're the only people that could possibly do this. You know how it works there with this. So based on the size of this number and the results of this case, it's logical scientifically. It is logical, scientifically logical and reasonable that the DNA from the vaginal swabs, firm fraction, the DNA from one Mr. Motyka are in fact the same person. So, that's that. This all goes to the jury. Now, you're on the jury.

Do we believe in science or do we believe in magic jizz monster swabbing pizza people? And the craziest story I've ever heard. The craziest story. This is almost as crazy as, there was a black guy in there already killing her, so I killed him. This is crazy. It is almost as crazy as there was a black guy in there already killing her. So I killed him.

This is crazy. It's just as crazy. That's what I mean. It's just as crazy. He's just denying that he killed anybody at all. At least that guy made up another person. I've never even been there. Right.

This guy said DNA is not real. Then, well, they must have planted it. That guy at least- From a semen. Acknowledged that he knew that his semen was inside. Yes, I know my semen's inside her. I know there's no way to explain that except for this unbelievable story he said a detective took him outside and went

here's a fucking hustler go in your car and jerk it and give it to me that's not protocol that's not how you collect any sample of anything you do it in a hospital that way there's not how that's how you frame people so yeah that's that's how it works. So this is a crazier story. This is a crazier story. The jury takes four hours. I don't know what took four hours, but I guess to determine one person went, isn't he an aerial? And the other 11.

What are you fucking nuts? What's wrong with this guy? Finally, they come back guilty. Yeah. Guilty, guilty on here of murder and everything else. So that's good for him. They determine aggravating factors in the crime as well. Inflicting pain beyond what was needed to kill the victim.

That means the judge can consider a sentence of life without parole, which is the worst Rhode Island has to offer here. It's too small for the death penalty. They have nowhere to keep the execution house or the drugs. They just don't have anywhere to keep it. The place is too small. So sentencing comes around, and the judge, very quickly, it does not take long. This guy is like the poster child for this here.

The judge says, you, sir, may fuck off. Life without parole for you, sir. You are going away very hard. We're lucky you didn't get that judge from facebook that guy lets everybody off have you seen that guy yeah yeah that's a great judge he's so sweet i think maybe this one would have been like you go home you go home you stick around a while forever you home you we're gonna keep you you guys all go home but you fucking forever hang out yeah hang on to you uh now two years later the or i'm sorry

right after it's two years after the murder right after the conviction in 2001 uh angela spence uh shaw her family sues the uh construction company oh shit for hiring a guy who's a carjacker and failing to keep an eye on them, basically, filed a lawsuit against them because he was sentenced to life in prison. It's a good time. Her sons, Gerard and Justin Spence, filed a lawsuit in Newport County Superior Court against David Peckham,

who owned the New England Home Building and Restoration, Inc., which is based in Little Compton, seeking monetary damages, saying that they basically didn't. They're guilty of negligence for failing to seal the house after knocking down a wall. Can't just leave a tarp dangling over a hole. Sixty six year old woman in bed. Not OK.

I don't care. I don't care how safe the town. No, it's ridiculous. An animal could have walked in there. It's crazy. Anything could be. A child could have been hurt there. That's not safe either.

Literally a stray dog could have went in there and mauled her in her sleep. At minimum, it's an OSHA violation. It's not good. Right. Yeah. It's not standard operating procedure in renovations, I guess. So 2006, he appeals saying that he should get parole someday. Yeah.

He's like, look, I get it, but- Did they win? Who? The family. We don't know that. Oh, okay. It went into a- Oh, God. It's like look i get it but they win who this is a family we don't know that it was it went into a oh god like a private thing but the uh they the lawsuit filing was a public thing so i would assume they won i would yeah it's probably uh one of those seems like it one of those under the rug ones what do they call that uh undisclosed yeah yeah or an out-of-court settlement they might have settled because this looks terrible. That's bad PR. Oh, boy.

You don't let that thing go into court in public. No. You go, what do you want? This guy's going to fight? He's actually fighting back against the family for this. This is crazy. Yeah. So 2006, he says he wants parole someday.

That's his appeal here. He says he was possibly too drunk, is what he's saying now. He's too drunk to do this.'s his defense okay no evidence to say that he was obviously too drunk to do anything is what they say uh they said his lawyer says look he's going to serve a long sentence obviously he did it he's guilty he got found guilty but the chance for parole would quote at least give some hope that his life is not one that has been wasted and that he can participate in society and show his worthiness to be a productive citizen no and they said no thanks we got enough of those plenty of citizens that are productive they're expectorant they're all sorts of things he's had enough chances yeah i don't think so uh

her children called the sentence reduction request, quote, a rude request. Oh, yeah. Sits down right impolite. And it's true. I agree with that. How rude. Yes. Her son Gerard said, quote, let him serve a completion of the sentence he imposed on himself.

Fair enough. They judge requested or denied his request and said that she might have sensed remorse from him if he quote accepted some responsibility or at least begged for the family's forgiveness but he didn't either nothing so he did nothing except go i'd like to go home someday just because i wanna i like pizza i like pizza uh so 2014 he goes for post-conviction relief, and he is denied that. Good. He asked in this saying that his writings should be admitted as evidence for him, saying that it wasn't fair what happened in court because he gets tongue-tied in the courtroom.

I don't care. So it was his testimony. He screwed himself because he couldn't say what he wanted to say because of some sort of social whatever. Your jizz is in a dead woman. Sorry. Bye. J a dead woman sorry and bye jizz dead woman goodbye the fuck out of here this episode has been more jizz john's pizza than a pie than all the papa john's pizza in all of shack stores

2017 post-conviction relief attempt uh if you're a new listener, by the way, we rarely mention jizz. This is an anomaly. More jizz that's been mentioned in the previous 138 episodes. It's just weird. So he's going for post-conviction relief. In 2014, he was denied. And at this point, there is a state supreme judge talks about this. There is a state supreme judge talks about this, and they say, quote, we hearing justices questions and how to submit evidence while simultaneously arguing why Mr.

Motika's claims lacked merit. So, yeah, they say that various reasons for his argument for relief, actual innocence, prosecutorial misconduct, double jeopardy, insufficient jury instructions, ineffective assistance of trial counsel, ineffective assistance of appellate counsel, abuse of judicial discretion, violation of due process rights, and the violation of equal protection right. That's what he's saying he wants. Basically, this is a ruling that comes down. It's a rule called Shatney, is what they call it. Like, you've heard of Alford pleas, or this and that. It's the Shatney plea. It's not a plea.

Like you've heard of Alford, please. And, you know, this and that. It's a Shatney plea. It's not a plea. Shatney's. It's a rule that basically it says from this point forward, Shatney versus state shall be deemed. Basically, this this makes it inapplicable. This is this. This case shoots down Shatney.

This was a precedence causing case. It says it's it basically there's post-conviction relief for an applicant who's been sentenced to life without the possibility of parole I believe the Shatney is an automatic some sort of automatic initial application that you don't have to make yourself I believe that it's automatically hearing given to a prisoner sentenced to life in parole had not been sufficient to qualify as an evidentiary hearing so they're saying that this uh basically the the rule of your your automatic hearing after your life without parole isn't uh a sufficient enough hearing is what they say so uh for that and because of that they're going to

strike down that rule the shatney rule which was a big rule and the supreme court announces it's uh vacating the 2014 Supreme Court ruling, denying his request for post-conviction relief. That means they're saying he should have post-conviction relief. They raised doubts about the hearing leading up to the judge's decision to deny his appeal. The jury convicted him, obviously. Now, this, by the way, a spokesman for the Rhode Island Attorney attorney general's office said that uh it doesn't mean it's going to affect his conviction at all post-conviction relief is a needle in a haystack for actual that just means you're trying to get like new evidence or of a

new something kind of to get a new trial going on that's the best you can get out of it they're not going to say go free young man that's not how this works. So they said, quote, the Rhode Island Supreme Court previously found that a first time petitioner seeking relief from a life without parole sentence is entitled to an evidentiary hearing before the court can dismiss the post conviction relief application. In this case, the Supreme Court found that the superior court erred in not providing Jeremy with the evidence hearing as part of his post-conviction relief petition. There's no evidentiary hearing. The Supreme Court remanded the matter back to the Superior Court, and it turns into illegal shit. Basically, he's going to get a post-conviction relief hearing

that should probably last 15 minutes, and they'll tell him to fuck back off to prison. Your jizz was found in a dead lady. It's over. Fuck off. All his points are bullshit it's just a matter of he should have got a hearing there will be no technicalities here sir they're just saying you should have had a hearing on the sentencing hearings you want and this is

only on sentencing too this has nothing to do with the case he's fucked basically so that's him that is little compton rhode island the weirdest name of a town since Santa Claus, Georgia. And that is Moe Tyka and his asshole-ness and poor Angela Spenshaw. Jesus, everybody. And, yeah, it's terrible. It's an awful deal there. So that is that. That is Rhode Island. Wow.

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