Small Town Murder - #140 - When Death Is Too Easy in Troy, Illinois

Episode Date: October 10, 2019

This week, in Troy, Illinois, a drifter, fresh out of prison, blows into town, and is caught with a stolen car, and quite the story of how he came to acquire it. The story gets crazier as more details come to light, and once the march to death row begins, it only gets more absurd. A brutal murder, an awful person, and a pretty amazing last meal make this a story to remember!!Along the way, we find out that past behavior often predicts future behavior, sometimes you maybe shouldn't give people another chance, and dead bodies most certainly still bleed!!Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman New episodes every Thursday! Donate at: patreon.com/crimeinsports or go to paypal.com & use our email: [e-mail] Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder & Crime In Sports! Follow us on... twitter.com/@murdersmall facebook.com/smalltownpod instagram.com/smalltownmurder Also, check out James & Jimmie's other show, Crime In Sports! On iTunes, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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the east coast last week and we are going to the central part of the nation here illinois oh going to troy illinois troy troy which you've probably never heard of no except for uh the one in uh in uh you know you know where it's yeah is that what you're going for the original troy i would assume yeah yeah no this is troy illinois the one where brad pitt lives yeah yeah no you know it definitely doesn't live original troy i would assume yeah yeah no this is troy illinois the one where brad pitt lives yeah yeah no you know it definitely doesn't live in troy illinois i'll tell you that much right that would be uh not as not glamorous here it's in southwestern illinois it's more missouri than chicago okay it's one of those like illinois you can kind of break it up into northern illinois chicago and anywhere within kind of quick driving distance of Chicago.

And then the rest is kind of the south. Yeah, lots of crossed eyes. Differing varying degrees of the south as you go into different places. It's interesting. This is southwestern. Southern Illinois is creepy. It's the south. You're in the south.

There's a documentary called Stevie. Have you ever seen it? It's made by Steve James, who's the guy who made Hoop Dreams. I'm sure you remember that one. It's a very popular stevie have you ever seen it it's made by steve james who's the guy who made hoop dreams i remember that one's a very you know very popular very popular very award-winning documentary and it's about he was a big brother in the big brother program to some kid who was kind of a disastrous kid and then steve james went away to college and he went to make movies and shit and this was him coming back to see what happened to that kid and the kid's a mess i mean he's a mess an I mean, he's a mess. An absolute.

He lives in like a trailer on his grandmother's property. And he's got like a mentally challenged girlfriend. I mean, that's fine. But then he's a disaster. He's in and out of jail. He's like a total dirtbag. And during the course of the documentary, he gets accused of molesting his niece. Oh, it's like nine years old.

That goes over the process of this. How much worse can it get? And so he's going to go to prison. So he goes to the guy who's the head of the and goes over the process of this. How much worse can it get? And so he's going to go to prison. So he goes to the guy who's the head of the local Aryan Brotherhood. They meet in a field to ask him if he can protect him in prison because of his charges.

This is real? I'm running an Aryan Brotherhood around here. Oh, abso-fucking-lutely. And the funniest thing about it is he's meeting with the Aryan Brotherhood head and he's asking for jail protection. He's like, what you going to do? You think you deserve protection? He's doing all the shit and the head

of the aryan brotherhood has a like a like i don't know his second in command somebody riding shotgun with him there and this guy just with his mullet and he's staring through stevie the whole time while this other guy's talking and he's wearing a lay ms shirt and it's the funniest thing i've ever seen like why he doesn't he just got that out of some collection pile at a church or something. He has no idea what he's wearing. Does it say Les Mis or does it say Les Mis? No, Les Miserables. I'm like, what?

He's in a field talking about whether the Aryan Brotherhood will protect a child molester in prison. He just saw the word miserable. He's like, I'm wearing it. I'm miserable. I'll make other people miserable weird stuff here so sorry to go off on a tangent but that's hilarious that's a photo of a little time capsule of southern illinois there that's what's that's the snow globe if you shake it up yeah you get that aryan brotherhood's in a field talking about you know whether they're

going to protect a child molester while wearing a layman's shirt. Weird stuff. So this is in southwestern Illinois, like I said. Where the fuck do you find that documentary? I think it's on Amazon Prime. I found it years ago on Sundance Channel. How the fuck did you find that? I like things like it. It's a weird cinema verite documentary. You find gold like that.

I love documentaries. Adam Sandler movies over and over and over again. We've talked about it. You've seen Dope Sick Love, so you know things. Thanks to you, though. I saw that in my 30s. Oh, okay. Yeah, see, I saw that.

I've been watching that repeatedly for a long time. I scope out the, I need to see Misery up close. This is 25 minutes to St. Louis, speaking of Misery up close. No offense, St. Louis, so we'll be there at the end of the month. Thank you. Few tickets left for Chicago, by the way, in December.

There's literally, I think a dozen. Literally a few. A dozen tickets left, so sell it out this week. Four hours and 15 minutes to Chicago from Troy. Four hours to Bloomingdale, Illinois,

which was episode 105. Bloomingdale? Bloomingdale, Illinois. Yeah, that was the, not a cult leader, but hard to explain. Some shit like that. Yeah, yeah. Madison County, this is in.

As in the bridges of, I don't think it's that state. Or Wisconsin. Yeah, yeah. But it's still Madison County. Zip code 62294, area code 618. It is five square miles. Oh. Yeah.

That's a little. Yeah. The motto is everything within reach. Or St.is is right there yeah that's the other one they have that's what they have that's really the only thing within reach but things that are in within reach fucking go get it then and don't be here and leave get the fuck out now history of this town uh plat it was platted in 1819 so there's that yeah it's laid out there uh this jesus christ there was other towns to the

east of it that were settled earlier and then jedediah woolly yeah it was the jedediah that's how you know you're back in time in a minute not a lot of jedediahs walking around out there these days i gotta say uh we're gonna get a lot of tweets going my son's name is jedediah like i'm sure it is you blew it yeah that's you messed up is your other one hezekiah hezekiah and jedediah. I'm sure it is. You blew it. Yeah, you messed up. Is your other one Hezekiah? Hezekiah and Jedediah. They're going to raise a barn and then they have school after that. And then Jeremiah, which actually gets a decent name because you can call him Jeremy. That's better.

You can't call the other one Hezekiah. Hez and Jed? Right. Hez. Hez? No, that's not it. You got to go the whole thing. Hezekiah. Hezekiah. Oh go the whole thing. Hezekiah.

Hezekiah. Oh, boy. Dinner. Hezekiah. The worst. A four-syllable name? Jesus. Jedidiah.

At least you can make it Jed. Then you sound like an idiot. Yeah. I don't know. He was the first surveyor in the county and was an early settler here. He was from Ohio, and he came with his his son who he named Jedediah Jr. Stop that. Absolutely.

He said, life has worked out so well for me with this name, I feel like I need to bestow it upon another. Somebody else must be punished as well. Yeah, and his son-in-law whose name was Alfred. So Alfred and the pair of Jedediahs came there.

I knew an Alfred. Well, there's lots of Alfreds. I've known Alfreds too. That's a good name actually. Alfred's fine. It's a tough name came there. I knew an Alfred. Well, there's lots of Alfreds. I've known Alfreds, too. That's a good name, actually. Alfred's fine. It's a tough name. Al. Yeah.

Big Al. Yeah. Oh, Big Al. Right. You big, hairy bastard. Get over here. It's Big Al. Right.

Yeah, it's good stuff there. Alfred's a good one. Alfred's good, but Jedidiah, not as cool. No. So I feel like that was Al, like, leading the pack, going, hey, oh, Jedidiah, get your ass up here. Come on. Catch up, you lazy fuck.

You bums. So in 1819, they got 10 acres of land in southern Illinois, and that became what Troy was. A settler there named John Jarvis sold the 10 acres for $10 an acre. 100 bucks. 100 bucks for 10 acres. That's a deal. That's a steal.

We'll do the real estate report later. It's more expensive than that now so uh yeah there was used to be known as columbia but then they mapped out troy and that was that and within a year there was 120 people there which and it's kind of steadily grown since then still not huge but uh in the beginning they had a band mill a storehouse a couple of taverns you know it's the midwest people like to get fucked up you gotta have some pickled eggs yeah they got a walleye special on fridays boy i'll tell you it's pretty good you gotta get in there places that just sell beer and wine that's it yeah hard liquor no oh man that's come in and get drunk yeah and slowly very slow as fuck well

come in and pee a lot, is what that says. Come in and pee 12 times. Enjoy. You're going to pee a whole lot longer. Before your buzz. Yeah. It's going to be good. So they had taverns. They had some houses.

They got a post office in 1833. And we know that's, well, boy, once you got a post office, you're legit there. Things are kicking off. Oh, yeah. And it would become the first stagecoach stop for travelers to and from St. Louis, basically. Got it. So that was the first stop where you could get off and take a leak outside of St. Louis, I feel like. One of there.

By 1850, it grew to 250 people. A lot of things going on there. They had a stagecoach shop. Oh, boy. Yeah. Troy became a legally recognized town in 1857. They had more farms industry shops schools opened up sure a newspaper pop up in 1872 which uh you know that's another thing

kind of legitimizes you a little bit see deadwood yeah no i will see deadwood jimmy watch it you'll know what i mean so they had a railroad i really liked the oliphant you'd love the show i will it's guys in the old west drinking and threatening each other and stabbing each other and prostitutes are it's your show you would love it the most i watch it i go the word this is up jimmy's up alley man this is his show this is like you'd be like you'd relate everything in your whole life to it i'm telling you i'llaringen be your favorite person buying a car and i'm like you know this is one like on deadwood this is like yeah listen man come on there's a spot in deadwood that really just lines right up with this experience no shit you have no idea what song i'm talking about i'll watch it so uh railroad stop came in

the late 1800s and that helped uh increased population if you can drill you know be on the railroad line that's going to help a lot uh madison county became a big industrial region in the late uh 1800s uh and then in the 1900s it was known uh for granite wear oh i don't know they made granite shit i don't know i don't know not countertop no i doubt then they were yes 1905 granite countertops no i doubt then they were yes 1905 granite countertops and uh landscaping and countertops that's all i know that's granite no there's no nothing and also steel mills they had oil refineries and a bunch of other heavy industry that would you know pollute the city stuff that's that's it that's the whole county because it's like uh it's i mean it's right outside of st louis so you're gonna have anything that doesn't fit right in the city they'll put it out there

and you know pollute the shit out of the suburbs. They didn't care back then, and we'll see if they still really don't. There's a reason the shit's cheap out there. Yeah, that's the problem here. Now, industrial, basically the way industry kind of ebbs and flows, and industries go away, and heavy industries kind of whatever, that's reduced the population of the county because there's less jobs there and so now it's kind of a semi-rural county basically it's not a not a real uh not a real big place they say that they they

try to they want to keep troy's small town charm but you know you can commute to st louis that's easy nobody's moving that that's the problem it's well they have a lot lately as we'll talk about in a minute here uh it's everybody says it's still got charm it's still got charm it also has an issue that the epa had to get involved in oh shit and uh the environmental protection agency if you're not from the u.s in 2009 an air pollution report from the epa ranked madison county as the county with the second highest cancer risk in the country due to air pollution. Second only to Los Angeles County. Wow.

So basically the smog in L.A. or this place are the two worst in the entire country. Unbelievable. You'll die from breathing. One has ungodly. 20 million people and one is just a dump. That's it. With no people. Where everything just settles over, apparently.

They have 20 million people worth of shit going on in the air. It's bad stuff. How many people are there? We'll talk about it in a second. I have a couple of reviews first. That is fucking fascinating. It's wild. Reviews here.

Here's a review. This is a two star review. Quote, my mother moved us to Troy in 2001 and is still a resident today. Honestly, not much. Much has changed since. Same fast food restaurants. The only grocery store in town is extremely overpriced. Expensive groceries.

Good God. And not diverse at all. Not in all capital letters to grocery store. Public transportation sucks. If you have bad luck with vehicles. Well, yeah, it sounds like you have your own problem. Yeah, yeah. You can't afford the food and you don't have a car. I feel like, and you're in a small town.

You're not in Manhattan. Like, I feel like this is a problem of you. It's five square miles, bro. You can walk it. Well, then he says, it's really full of well-off, quote, privileged, spoiled brats. So he's very bitter this person if you've ever needed help or happen to struggle troy doesn't offer much help uh for being a pretty wealthy town the schools are a joke if you're not a brown nosing parent

chances are your child isn't well liked by by the staff or teachers the cops harass people for the stupidest reasons especially if you happen to live on the meadow, on the meadow drive, on meadow drive, the quote, ghetto of Troy. I could go on and on. There's no opportunity here, no jobs, unless you want to work at a gas station. If your child gets sick in the middle of the night,

plan on driving to the next town over for medicine. It's just not worth the price they want you to pay to live here. Two stars. Still two, though. Not one. Everybody's riddled with cancer. Everybody is riddled.

Now, the problem, too, is everybody's review all talks about the excessive amount of gas stations. I don't know what the fuck is going on in this town with the gas stations, but everybody talks about why is there so many gas stations. Interesting. Out of, like, 30 reviews, 20 of them mention gas stations. I'm not even shitting you. Just, like, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. By the way, why is there so many gas stations in this town? Like, that was literally every review.

Interesting. Like, just way too many. I don't know, because it's a stopover outside of St. Louis. Yeah, that, and there's also a refinery that used to be there, or still is. Just dump it all here. Right. We'll hold it for a while. If it was a holdover, if it was a stopping place before i'll bet it still is if

you're driving out there's probably competition it's probably it's called capitalism you're probably well in a small town 30 gas station that's not cats that's stupid capitalism a lot apparently more than necessary yeah enough for several complaints enough for people to notice like there's a lot i assume if you're driving from st louis to chicago this is like the first probably decent sized town outside of the city that you can stop for gas so it's probably that's all it is there's several intersections with every corner as a gas station yeah that's that's what's happening here yeah uh two stars on this one quote illinois is the worst state in the country and i hate it that's the whole review two stars though for some reason the whole state oh god

damn state whole state uh three here's one three stars quote not much crime but there is a but there is occasionally but no murders now we're gonna tell you that there is you big liar so we know that notable people here uh paul simon the senator not the yeah okay not that one you're like i thought he's from new york yeah no he's not from uh i thought paul simon was from uh fucking england or something no paul simon's america who am i looking at uh in my head i see somebody in my head right now for sure he has a british accent yeah it's not paul simon he had a beetle haircut in the 70s in my head he's wearing a Paul Simon name tag. Yeah, him and Garfunkel are in English.

No, okay. Yeah, different guy. Neither. Yeah. Different guy. And this is a completely, this is U.S. Senator Paul Simon, who's a totally different guy. Also, a Cy Young Award winning pitcher for the St. Louis Browns. So that's named Bob Turley.

It's been a few, it's been a minute there. Yeah, he was born there. Also, in 1900, they had about 1,080 people. Today, they have 10,208 people. Oh. So up 69% since 1990. So it's boomed. That's a lot of people for that small area.

6,000 people in 1990. It's really boomed a lot here. More females than males by a long shot. 55% female, which is super weird because the double the uh the young population's high usually if there's a lot of old people it'll be more females here the it's almost double the 25 to 34 year old demographic almost double and also every all the kids there's more kids and there's about half the old people over 75 population about half of those so it's young but still more females it's weird uh way more married people it's usually 50 50 here it's about 59 married so a lot there

going on with that uh um not a lot of single with no children it's a suburb i mean if you live in st louis you can or if you work in st louis you can live out here. That's kind of how it works. Race of this town, 88% white. So pretty white to be that close to St. Louis. That's Chicago. Well, it's four and a half hours from Chicago. Still close enough. I guess. But I don't know how many are Aryan Brotherhood members with late-midget shirts.

I'm not positive about that. We have to get that stat. That's a separate one. 2.4% black, 2.2 percent asian and uh 5.2 percent hispanic so it's a pretty white town basically uh the religion it's usually 50 50 here it's 49 so right on the money there's a few baptists a few catholics are about the same pentecostal methodist it's the middle of the country there's all sorts of shit mixed in there it's part the south it's part city people it's part everybody there so it's one of those things 0.0 percent

jewish it is not jewish that's one thing yeah one thing it's not is jewish very not 1.2 percent islam so there's muslims but no jewish people at all uh 38.9 percent uh democrat in the last election in madison county and 54% Republican there. 7% independent, which is actually high in the independent factor. Unemployment rate here is slightly high, but it's not high. It's higher than the average, but not high as far as it's 4.1, which is super low, but high for right now. Household income, normally it's about $58,000. Here's $71,346 for uh household income normally it's about 58 000 here's 71 346 for median

household income uh there's a lot less people that make under 30 000 here than normal so there's not a lot of you know privileged people it's a more privileged people and also too you don't get a lot of uh social security income elderly people that all they have is that which is also factors in with that under $15,000. And there's also a lot less people here that make over $200,000 than normal. There's a lot of people. Most of the people make between $75,000 and $150,000 here. Okay, upper middle class.

It's like a huge chunk of it. It's a very middle class, afford to piss some money away on your kids type bullshit. Lots of soccer, lots of baseball. Shit like that. Mom drives an SUV. Oh, yeah. So does Dad. They both drive SUVs.

There's so many Mazdas and Kias in this town. Oh, a lot of them. So many. Jesus Christ. Not a lot of Escalades. No, no, no. But a lot of... You might get yourself a GMC Acadia.

Oh, you're going to get... It's going to be some Acadias. Oh, boy. Hold on a second. What do you think? There's not going to be Acadias over here? You know how many Acadias are in this fucking town they're known for? You it for four wheel drive around here it snows definitely so uh uh the jobs here are pretty average actually not not as many blue collar jobs as you would think a few more like finance type jobs white

collar type things uh like everything else is pretty much on the money though nothing nothing too much uh cost of living 100 is average regular par here it is 100.1 oh so it is exactly excessively par it's on this place is so middle of the road yeah geographically it's just so middle of the road it's like middle income middle geography middle the jobs are all regular the cost of living is totally average this is any town usa middle age it's middle yeah everything is just right in the middle it's just very nebulous it's this is a basic bitch ass town that's what this town is right now i'll say so much just fucking Chardonnay out of a box. You know what I mean?

This town is rosé as fuck. Chardonnay out of a box. Put on Handmaid's Tale and leave me alone. Somebody get me a Caramel Macchiato. Oh, for the love of Christ, please. God damn it. Basic bitch shit. Basic bitch ass town. The housing here, though, God damn it. Basic bitch ass town. The housing here, though, is slightly low.

In the rest of the country, it's about $231,000 is the average home. Here it is $193,000. So it's a little low on housing, but high on income. So that's a good area you want to get into when those two cross on a chart. A lot of houses in the $100,000 to

$300,000 range. You can get a house for $ to 300 000 range you can get a house for 150 grand you get a house for 250 grand you know that sort of thing and if we've convinced you damn it you must live in the middle you basic bitch right square where everything's within reach if you're a basic ass troy illinois bitch we have for you the troy illinois real estate report The Troy, Illinois Real Estate Report. Your average two-bedroom rental here is about $886. So that's pretty low. It's about $1,200 nationally. I found a three-bedroom, two-bath, 1,012 square feet.

It is on South Charcoal Street. So that sounds depressing and covered in soot. At least it's not Meadow. Yeah, it's a decent... Because Meadow's the ghetto. We've learned that. We've learned that. You don't want anything on Meadow. I avoided those homes.

$135,000 for that, though. Okay. It's a little house. It's nice. You can stuff a couple of young kids in there. Found a three-bedroom, two-bath, hopefully a lot. A lot. To raise them, not to store them.

What just happened? To raise, not to store. You just went real dark. You went dark. I was saying something nice. Are you all right? We're going to run out of music. We can't keep talking.

I found a three-bedroom, two-bath, 1,996-square-foot home here, $235,000. So $100,000 more for 1,000 extra square feet. Then I found a four-bedroom, three-bath, 3,400 square foot home. Very nice brick, nice house, $355,000. So, you know, it's leveled up. It's tiered.

Tiered very nicely. Seems semi-affordable as far as America goes. Things to do. Oh boy, Here we go. I found the annual Harvest Festival. Yeah. For the love of Christ, fall is the focus for the annual Harvest Festival. Bring friends and family for a jam-packed day of games for everyone.

Oh. Everyone, Jimmy. Yeah. Get an early start to the event and register for the Fishing Derby. That's a whole derby. How does that work? I don't know. A derby.

A fishing derby. When I picture derby, I feel like I think of demolition derby that's a whole derby how does that work i don't know how derby fishing derby when i picture derby i feel like i i think of demolition yeah you're crashing your boats together yeah hey fuck you knock a trout out of somebody's hand what are we doing clear just boredom he's got a small mouth bass fucking run him upside turn him over blast him in the face with a carp he's got a carp everybody firing him across the bow he's got a muskie this year i'm bringing a fish oh my god jesus christ i'm put holes in your skater?

You know what's happening. With a fucking carp. I'm going to knock that outboard right off the back of your shit. I have no idea what's happening right now. A fucking derby. A derby. Why would they call it that? I don't know.

I'm frightened of a derby. Also, a renaissance reenactment. Oh, boy. The whole period, I guess. I don't know. A car show and live music, which they're going to spare us the names of these bands that we've never heard of, which is good. That's great.

Stop advertising them. They aren't getting extra fans. It doesn't matter. Bounce houses for the kids. Beer stands for the adults. Drink while they bounce. I love the Midwest for that. There's always a place to drink in the Midwest.

They're like, well, you know, you grab a beer. They've got to be able to grab a beer. I mean, what are we doing here? I love the Midwest for that. Join. And there's also another one. Here's another. This is not the entirely different event.

Entirely different event. This is the 11th annual Howl-O-Ween Pet Party and Street Festival. Did you say Howl? Howl-O-Ween. Oh, boy. Pet Party and Street Festival. Pet friendly, family friendly event is something for all ages. Walk your four-legged friend up and down the street lined with all sorts of fun vendors uh there's exciting games kids pavilions take a break

and listen to live music on two stages uh partners for pets will have on-site adoptions so basically you bring your kids there and they cry because you don't come home with a fucking dog uh the adoption fees are 50 for dogs over a year a fourlegged friend? What if my dog only has three legs, motherfucker? Yeah, then what? Are you telling me to take him home? Take your ugly mutt out of here? Is that what you're telling me? Superman doesn't have...

Got no love for my dog. I can't dress my dog like Superman because he's missing a leg? You got no love for Stumpy? That's fine. That's cool. Come on, Stumpy. It's just me and you, buddy. It's just as fast as your dog.

Come on. No. Hurry up, Stumpy. Seriously. You're making their point for them hurry up why is that that's horrible that's terrible crime rate in this town also terrible yeah well we're interested in crime rate property crime as about half about a half or so of the national average does it feel like we affected them uh with their advertisement of their event in that they were like just don't put the bands yeah i feel like

james and jimmy are gonna make fun they're just gonna make fun of it they've heard of us there was a murder i know a while back so eventually they're gonna make fun of this they're gonna throttle keith richard yeah i was gonna say there's no s on it yeah don't put fucking keith richard and the sunshine band he's like mashing old fucking bands together. And the Sunshine Band. I like that. The Rolling Stone Sunshine Band. The Rolling Stone.

One word. Yeah. Rolling Stone Sunshine Band. I should have. I needed more of a differentiation. So half the property crime, violent crime, murder, rape, robbery, and of course assault, the Mount Rushmore of crime. A little over, it's just about half also, a little higher than half the national average.

Good safe town. It's a safe little middle of the road family. Bring your kids, you know, you got a little extra income, buy a half decent house. Dress up the pets. Yeah, have a, you know, go on vacation once a year. It's that, it's the, it seems like it's kind of an old-timey town here almost uh in may of 1980 near anaheim california dorothy jane scott noticed her friend had an inflamed red wound on his arm and seemed unwell she insisted on driving him to the local hospital to get treatment while he waited for his

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Murder, though, happened in this town, of course, and we are going to talk about it. All right. Oh, it's time. Okay. Let's do this. Let's talk about a gentleman. Yeah. We'll use that term loosely.

Okay. Right now, we don't know anything about him. It's a guy. It's a guy. Yeah. Let's talk about this guy. There's a man. A man.

There's a fella. He definitely, yeah, he's got a penis.'s a guy let's talk about this guy there's a man a man there's a fella he definitely yeah he's got a penis okay so there's that genitalia of a male let's do that lloyd wayne hampton certainly a manly name yeah very manly there's two l's in the front of that name that's pretty and wayne and wayne wayne is a it's a strong name yeah lloyd wayne Hampton here. He's born November 13th, 1953 here. Now, this guy, we'll talk a little bit about him, but he runs into some trouble in February of 1990. February 9th, 1990. He is in a truck at a truck stop in Troy, Illinois, our town here. And he is stopped by the police.

And it turns out that he is driving a car that's not his and so they're like you know where'd you get the car they don't like how he's acting he's acting a little suspicious they look him up and uh you know it's one of these guys we're gonna talk to this guy a little bit and that sort of thing now he's driving a 1978 pontiac oh car so this is a 1990 yeah all i can find is that it's a Pontiac. Either way, there was not a Pontiac made in 1978 that wasn't a giant pile of shit. So that I'll tell you for a fact. There wasn't a car made in 1978.

Huge pile of shit. That wasn't a giant piece of shit. Especially a Pontiac. I picture it immediately brown. Yeah. Do you picture a brown? I pictured like metallic rust. Yeah.

Long and brown with those old like 70s cop car hubcaps on just a middle cub nothing else dark wheel not white interior but like a yellowish white you know yeah and it's all vinyl and it has vinyl off metal piece in the center of the back of the seat yeah that gets fucking red hot oh the summer and burns your shoulder blades. And an avocado green roof and carpet package. Headliner and carpet package. And floor mat package. It's quite the ride.

Tits. It's a tits ride in 1990. In 90 you're driving this? Well, it's also stolen. So, I mean, his standards of travel are really not that high. I don't think he's minding what kind of...

He has no car. No. So maybe he wrote that review earlier. You got to steal Pontiacs in this piece of shit town? All around, there's not even a good one to steal. It's only a 78. Jesus Christ. You got like a 2005 Grand Am or something.

It's a piece of shit, but it's not... I can't think of a single vehicle where people are like, you heard of that 78 of that model nope never nobody likes 78 except they're like the air the 78 corvette's the worst one they ever made it's the only corvette that's slow that's the only time you ever hear that is the 78 it's like a big piece of shit with you know just a horrible thing it's got no power it's like 120 big piece of shit with, you know, just a horrible thing. It's got no power. It's like 120 horsepower. They tried something new. They're trying to go after fuel efficiency.

Fuel efficient muscle car. That's what they want. So good job, America. That was a way to produce. Wonder why the Japanese took over the market for the next 10 years. Real good era there. Yeah, nice job. What we'll make is a giant car.

Rather than making it like, you know, smaller and fuel efficient, it'll be giant and just be shitty. It'll be not that fuel efficient, but still super shitty. We'll have to put a motor in there that has so much horsepower, you won't pass a gas station. That's what it is. That's why this town has so many gas stations. They got a lot of 78s. That's what 78s say. Well, they have problems by now.

Bad carburetors and shit. Just spraying fuel out the back as they go. What a shit era for vehicles. Yeah. So they look it up. They find out this car belongs to a man named Roy Pendleton. His nickname is Jasper. Everyone calls him Jasper.

Jasper Pendleton. I can see that leap. Jasper. From Roy to Jasper. Sure. Why not? Sounds logical. Jasper. He's Jasper. Just good old jasper everybody likes jasper uh jasper is a 69 year old man yeah uh he's a retired janitor

so uh yeah a retired janitor with a dead wife so yeah he's a lonely old man yeah it kind of hangs out and uh and everyone calls him jasper and he's fine. And he's missing a Pontiac. And he drives a 78 Pontiac. So we know his life just in a snapshot is not great. It's not wonderful. I feel like I see a lot of flickering TV, a lot of antenna adjusting and dinty more eating. That's what I see. Out of a can.

And pull-top beers. Yeah, tons of pull-top beers. So many. I see the dinty more. He doesn't even bother heating it up anymore. No. He just eats it right out of the can. What's the difference?

It's going to cool off. It's going to be gross anyway. Either way, it's going to make me shit my brains out. I've noticed the flavor doesn't change as you warm it. It doesn't change. And the level of diarrhea is the same. So really no point in warming this shit. Sometimes I mistakenly grab the can of cat food and i don't

notice till i'm halfway done and then i just shrug and continue so i'm like whatever same shit it's less chunky this week oh that is oh wow oh boy i should have bought the cal can no uh there's uh an officer here Officer Reckling is his name here. This officer participates in the arrest. This is February 9th, 1990. Now, he is not only in possession of this automobile. He has several other items that don't seem to belong to him as well. Like, yeah, just like gone.

Robin, he's gone. It just looks like like this is all very shady. You have a car that's not yours and you have a bunch of stuff that doesn't look like it's yours. It's like, it's just a weird. There's a tennis racket. You're suspicious. He's got like a microwave in the front seat. In 1990s, it's a big microwave.

It takes up the whole front seat. You got to strap it in with the seatbelt and everything. It's huge. Grocery bag full of Dinty Moore. That's all it is. So, I mean, when you see a grocery bag full of Dinty Moore and it's on a man who is only, what, 37 years old at this point. We got questions.

You got to think, I don't trust this at all. He's not eating all that Dinty Moore. I know that for a fact. Are you taking that to the party? That was what you brought? Are you like a wheels on meals or meals on wheels kind of guy? Wheels on meals. Wheels on meals, everybody.

It's the same thing. Same shit. A little messier so uh they arrest him yeah let's bring in we we've suspicion of stolen car and stolen shit and just kind of being a suspicious asshole that we don't trust here you seem like an untrustworthy asshole you're not from around here either he's got uh he is originally from texas as we'll talk about uh he's just come from california so they're like who are you what is all this shit you have a local person's car

you're not from here why do you have a microwave you're coming in for some a lot of questions we got a lot of questions so uh yeah he's got all sorts of shit so they arrest him and uh so they say you know what's your story lloyd yeah what's happening here so he says i'll tell you what my fucking story is uh here it is so uh before they have a chance to get the story out of him they go to notify jasper yeah pendleton that we've found your car hey have you found your car that you didn't tell us is your car missing yeah they just figure that they're going to contact this man and say because his car is now impounded because they've arrested this man. So they're going to say, hey, your car is in our custody.

And then see if he goes, well, good. The fuck. I didn't even know my car was stolen. Because that's what they think maybe is Jasper lives in Troy. So they're like, you know, he lives five minutes from here. He might not even know it's fucking stolen yet. So we'll talk to him about it. So they do that and they go.

He lives in a motel since his wife died, he's moved into a motel room. No. The picture gets a little clearer, doesn't it? Or darker. How much more dinty more did you just put in his cabin? Oh, boy, yeah. Now he's just got, he buys it by the pallet now. That's all it is.

That's all he eats. There's nothing else. He buys it by the pallet and he just takes it and he's, it's it. He's got one of those can openers and just electronic ones. Yeah. But it's the electric ones like on the wall. So you just pulled it up to it it's bolted it's the magnet holds it yeah and then he just walks away and scoops out the day he's halfway done with the can before he hits the couch jimmy it's disgusting he's got a recliner that he's had since 1978 oh

for sure it came with the pontiac yeah it came with the purchase it was like a yeah it was like a refund rebate deal. It was a Memorial Day sale. That's it. You get a coupon for a recliner from across the street there. Life is sad for Jasper, is what I'm getting at. It's not a lazy boy. It's a razy boy. It's a razy, yeah. It's a razy

chair place. Well, back then, they were just making, it was made in China. Right. They were just like, see, because they don't know ours, and they say, ha ha, we're funny, we're funny right right it's 1978 that's a funny joke it's not a joke now it's a joke in 1978 like get it you get it and then the guy made his eyes real slimy see them people you know what i'm talking about huh good lord he's like you're never getting saturday night live i'll take the pontiac it's not me saying this this is a redneck in 1978 that made a knockoff unbelievable made a knockoff yeah the recliner when i do this and by the way

i would never work for saturday night live not for that purpose just that's a terrible schedule for what to produce a pile of shit work your balls off for 12 grand a week that show sucks dick i don't give a shit how much it's a shit show i'm not going to give anybody a 90 hours a week to produce a pile of shit because that's what that is a giant pile of shit so just in case we either of us are ever up for snl lauren mich, hear this part of the podcast where I say, go fuck yourself because your show sucks because you're 100 years old.

How the fuck can you be in touch with anything anymore? The guy was a finger on the pulse for so long. He's a god in terms of that and that avenue of television production. Amazing. Comedy was great. It's a pile of shit now. It's bad. It's a mess. There's only so many Steve Martins. There's only so many Chevy Chances.

There's only so many people that you can put on TV that are funny. You're going to lose. It's not even the show's fault, I think, and this is way off the subject of Jasper Pendleton's motel room. Oh, he's watching the best of Saturday Night Live right now. I think sketch comedy is just kind of a dead medium for the moment.

I mean, it could come back because it's ebbed and flowed too, but stand-up does the same thing. It's topical. It's topical, yeah. And nothing's funny right now. Well, plus, if you want your whole cast to be 24 years old, too but it's but it also goes based on does the same thing it's topical it's topical yeah and and it's nothing's funny right now well plus if you if you want your whole cast to be 24 years old you're gonna get a bunch of people who have very little experience being performers so they're not as good whereas the old those old guys they were all 30 yeah i mean not the dallas adam sandler and

that crew because and it took them a few years to be funny but like yeah bill murray wasn't 21 years old dan akroyd wasn't 21 years yeah, Bill Murray wasn't 21 years old. Dan Aykroyd wasn't 21 years old. Chevy Chase wasn't 21 years old. They were fucking in their late 20s, 30. They had a lot of... Chris Farley was even later.

He was like 28. They had a lot of performing experience. I mean, that 90s crew got experience on the show because they let them just suck for a couple years and get into their own.

Whereas now, they're just... I don't even know. They come and go. They're so fast. And there's like one or two guys that hang around for like 14 years. We're like, Jesus, man. This guy's still doing this?

You know he goes home and just cries. Just cries his eyes out. And that's all he has is just that? That's it. He doesn't have anything else. That's his gig. And he gets some gigs off of that. He can sell half-sell B- market stand-up clubs based on the credit

it sounds great okay back to jasper staying in hotels jasper stays yeah that's that's a little comedy sidetrack comedy business sidetrack from us so uh anyway uh the the uh crime scene investigator named d uh heil a lot of heils in here, comes to the hotel room. She comes in and observes that old Jasper is no longer with us. Oh, no. He is dead at the scene. And not only is he dead,

it's probably not natural causes based on the way they find him. This is an older guy. Obviously, he's eaten Dinty Moore every meal. It's not from the Dinty Moore. It could have been anything. He could have just had a heart attack, broken heart, his wife's dead. Poor bastard.

But he was bound with ropes, tape, and a nylon dog leash. Oh, my God. The guy's got to roughen up. That's what I mean. If you walk in, let's say you're going to do this to this man. You walk in, and you see the Dinty Moore, and you see the TV with the flicker and the rabbit ears, and you see the 1978 Razzie Boy, and you just go, I you see the 1978 Razy Boy and you just go, never mind. You know what, sir?

No, thank you. And you give him $5 and you leave. That's how it works. Something. You do something nice for him. So bad. Yeah. As a matter of fact, that's not the worst of it, though.

His throat was slashed and a large chef knife was protruding from his neck. Oh, my God. So the knife, it just got left stuck in the neck all the way through his neck. They went a bit far. Seems a bit personal here. You didn't have to do that. Yeah, there's a throat slash and then a stab, too. Just seemed like almost like a place to put the knife.

Yeah. And leave this here. Like they do in a butcher block and a thing. They'll put it there. That's what basically he was. Like, slashed. All right. Stick it there for now.

Very weird. Also also further examination jasper pendleton his forehead has three lacerations on it and they're what uh appeared to be uh burns uh on him as well on his face and uh what they thought to be cigarette ashes on his eyelids god jesus ashes of cigarettes on his eyelids eyelids uh also they found uh around him because he's on the uh on the bed and they found basically in a perimeter around his head uh a bunch of stab holes in the bed what like if someone like traced yeah around his head like Like scaring him? With stab holes. Yeah, exactly.

Like that sort of thing. So it's, you know. And then the poof, you're an ashtray thing? Then an ashtray and then a slash and a, I'll leave this here for later. Because you never know when you're going to need a knife later on. So now you know where it is anyway. Otherwise you could have lost it. This is a lot.

This is a lot. It's a lot for a 69-year-old retired janitor widow who eats a lot of Dinty Moore and watches Matlock every night. It's a lot. This is a lot. It's a lot for a 69-year-old retired janitor widow who eats a lot of Dinty Moore and watches Matlock every night. It's a lot. From his Razzie boy. It's a fuck from his Razzie boy. It's a lot. Pendleton actually had a trip planned.

He was about to go on a trip. He was about to go to Las Vegas. Why? To visit his dying brother. Oh, my word. It just gets sadder and sadder. He's the saddest man that's ever lived, this Pendleton, and now he's not alive anymore. He's going to Vegas.

I said, he's going. How's he going to Vegas? Yeah. I sure am. 69-year-old widow. Where are you going to stay? He's going to party. With my dying brother.

Oh. I'll be sleeping in a chair in the hospital room of my dying brother. As a matter of fact. So not like Circus Circus. You're not going to go to Luxor. It's a big pyramid, you know. It's pretty neat looking. Nope, just dying brother. The MGM has those lions that growl at the beginning of the movies.

Everything about him is like he's single because his wife died. He's going to Vegas. He lives in a hotel. A motel in Troy, Illinois, actually. He eats Tinty more every night. The only thing he's got. He's got his own car. It's a Pontiac.

It's a 78 Pontiac. He's going to Vegas to visit his dying brother. In a 78 Pontiac. Hopefully he'll make it. Oh, God, Jesus. I feel so bad for so bad i'm almost glad he's dead for his relief for his own good and i don't mean to be disrespectful to jasper here but it's almost like you're like jesus christ this guy had one fucking thing after another on top of him i don't obviously i would rather he found he would too found some happiness lived to 92

found some other old lady they could watch Matlock together. And then they go to Vegas and fuck all night. Fuck all night. Yeah, he would have lived to Viagra at this point. He would have been rock hard cock. She's heating up the dinty more now, so it's all other things. She gave him a slice of bread. He's like, I dip a slice of bread and it's not that fucking bad.

I'm going to be honest with you now. It's all right. It's better. She enhanced my life. Instead, he's dead so she threw some salt in it now there's taste oh my goodness look at that i think salt is the one thing you don't need extra with in dinty more probably have you had it is just the most bland shit on earth if you look at it i think it's like three times your daily sodium i'm not even kidding it's like 180 percent or you know 300 of your sodium it's all locked in those meat cubes and uh you can't go giant chunks of potato the potato pieces are bigger than the meat yeah and the potato's still

good though you can't go wrong with a potato hunk even if it's in a can with salted meat it's still pretty good that's the weird part you're like this potato's not bad i'll be honest with you carrots carrots a lot of carrots the carrot to potato to beef ratio is way out of there's not a lot of beef let's be honest here the beef the majority of the beef is in that puree brown shit that they just pour over you're buying a can of stew for a dollar 39 what do you want for meat exactly? Oh, it's got a whole T-bone in there. It's a can of stew. Oh, wow.

Really savor those two pieces of meat. Is this prime? Is this prime? Is this a Wagyu Dinty Moore? No, it's a piece of shit. We do not even short came from a cow. Actually, just be a piece of shit. We are not even sure it came from a cow. Actually, just be... It's meat.

Just be thankful it's not a piece of shit, because it might actually be. Yeah, all we'll guarantee is it is meat. We will tell you that it came from a cow. We don't know. You don't know where. Is it meat or is it shit? It's an animal. It's exciting, right?

You never know. Maybe that's how they should market it. Exciting. You never know where it came from. It came from a cow. It it's an animal it's exciting right you never know maybe that's how they should market it exciting you never know where it came from a cow came from an animal you don't know which one could be anything oh man so unreal yeah this this is brutal so uh uh tied up ropes dog leash mount taped his mouth shut uh burned eyelids, ashes on the eyelids, stabbed in the forehead, neck sliced, protruding knife. That's the whole thing here. He also, as they found later on, took Jasper's suitcase, microwave.

He did take the microwave. He took his microwave, his Dinty Moore maker, took his suitcase, his microwave, because his suitcase was packed for Vegas. So he just took that because... Well, it's in here. Old man dying brother visiting clothes. That's what's in there. What are you going to do with that? This is going to be a fun little opening.

Oh, boy. Maybe I'll put a YouTube video up of me unboxing. An unboxing. Oh, another plaid shirt. Look at that. Oh, look at that. More khakis. More snap shirts.

Oh, wow. Snap shirts. Look at that. Oh, look at that. More khakis. More snap shirts. Oh, wow. Snap shirts. This is great. One of those fisherman hats with the flaps on the side. Good deal. And a trophy from the fishing derby. Hey, he won the fishing derby. It's a bad motherfucker, man.

So he also had a $500 check that he forced Jasper to make out to him. He's a real bright guy, this guy. Write me a check while I rob and kill you. A $500 check he had in his possession, Lloyd Wayne Hampton, that Hampton had drove to a bar after this with

the check and the microwave and the suitcase and the 78 Pontiac where he tried to cash the check and they wouldn't cash the check but they made some deal with him he's gonna cash it somewhere else and he buys the house around to drinks really so drinks on me this is what this is his murder celebration he goes to a bar yeah and says on me everybody like he just had a kid it's like he thinks eight pounds four ounces on me people sorry i don't mean to interrupt $500 is gonna last him forever that's how he's thinking he's buying people drinks you only got 500 bucks man that's the thing yeah it's well yeah you got 500

bucks and what are you gonna sell a microwave for good lord pawn that thing for 20 bucks it's a fucking giant 1990 i guarantee it wasn't a top-of-the-line model. No, it was from a motel. Yeah, that's what I mean. Or Roy got it at Goodwill or something, Jasper there. So now police said once they asked him about it, he was like, oh, yeah, I killed the fuck out of that guy. What? Lloyd Wade Hampton.

He's like, oh, yeah, oh, I killed him good. Why did he say that? Took all that shit. Took that shit, killed him, fucking sliced him, cut him, stabbed him. This is the shortest show ever, James. Fuck no there's more so he actually this is where our first shows used to be this long yeah so uh uh police were taken aback by how much how matter of fact he was about everything there wasn't even a hemming and hawing yeah there wasn't a you know he didn't put that act on like he was like I just you know I don't know what happened he didn't do any of that he's like oh that guy oh he's fucking dead yeah oh

I killed him killed him up you'll stab like crazy yeah he's I did it like it was overkill really I didn't have to do all the killing I did and I took his shit I forced him to make a check out to me that was kind of fucking bar wouldn't cash it can you believe that shit like that's the kind of that's the conversation he was having where the cops are like is he like it was almost like is he kidding this fucking real is this for real like what's going on the police said about him the the main investigator called said quote he was cool as a cool as a cucumber no remorse so uh just don't give a fuck wow uh yeah he said he murdered roy because he needed to steal shit from him and he didn't want to get caught i just wanted to take shit and did not get caught that's why i killed

him duh oh sweet jesus how many more good lord he said what the fuck he says this is not number one quote my problem is always has been i don't give a damn that was his quote we would say to the cops that's that he just doesn't give a shit he's like yeah i just killed that fucking guy he made him write me a check. I wasn't supposed to leave him there. He knows who I am now. I got to kill him, obviously. Dummy.

So this guy is not a nice guy, I'll just say. Want to find out a little more about Lloyd Wayne Hampton? Because he seems like just a real interesting cat. You're very prescient, too, on your thing. Now, he is a seventh grade dropout yeah which is 12 yeah my son's in the seventh grade and he's nowhere near ready for life at this point go ahead and get a job and figure it out i've had about enough of that there all that school and i think i learned all about i need to know lawn mowing on sunday at my own house no i

don't think so no he can't clean his fucking clothes up off the floor and put him in a hamper like that's a task beyond him right so there's no way he's ready for the world in any way shape or form unreal uh if he if if he says can you make me this food and you go no you make it yourself he'll go never mind and he'll just go sit down he would starve to death in a week a week he would starve to death literally he just yeah he'd be dead i killed over my son doesn't even i ran out of goldfish dad there's no more pizza pockets no more no more of those you'd have to microwave those at least so never mind so seventh grade dropout. Bad sign right away.

That is 12. 13 tops if you were held back in kindergarten or something. He spent, we'll put it this way, most of his life in prison. From the age of 20, 1973, that's when he turned 20, till 1990, when this happens, he is only out of prison for four years in that entire time and that's sprinkled over six months here a few months here four years in 17 years he's been out of prison unbelievable so that it's from from 20 to 37 so he's a mess yeah i mean obviously and it's a lot of different things it's robberies it's stealing it's assaults it's a lot of different things. It's robberies. It's stealing. It's assaults. It's just reckless, crazy behavior.

He's the poster child for three strikes and you're out. He's the poster child for take this guy behind the goddamn building and just fucking beat him over the head with a brick and put him in a shallow hole because he's just useless. He really is. This is one of those people where it's like you'd like to make rules in society that you would think that would govern reasonable people for reasonable actions. And keep them on the path. Some people, there's just like, there's just no, it's like an auxiliary rule. Like, okay, we have a special asshole. Right.

And this is a special asshole who doesn't even give a shit about it. He's not even like, doesn't even have the wherewithal to pretend to have remorse. Right. He's just like, yep, killed him. Did it. Why? Because I fucking felt like it. even have the wherewithal to pretend to have remorse right he's just like yep killed him did it why because i fucking felt like it that's why needed to steal shit right what would you do dummy how do you get 500 bucks that's that's what i'm saying when you have that it's like well there's no and the guy's 37 he's not 19 right where it's maybe like there's a you know oh maybe he can be rehabilitated maybe his child or whatever maybe after 20 years of whatever the shit i don't know kind of counseling maybe he can be rehabilitated, maybe his child or whatever, maybe after 20 years of whatever the shit, I don't know, kind of counseling, maybe he can come out and not be a monster. He's 37.

You are a fully formed human being that is a goddamn monster. Yeah. Period. He says he had a troubled childhood. His mother left when he was very little, which is always bad when a mother leaves. when he was very little which is always bad when uh mother leaves this isn't a sexist thing but kids tend to uh you know nature-wise right mother's important well uh the mom generally has the the bigger heart sometimes dad's a nicer guy but it's generally the woman teaches you kindness and tenderness there's a certain yeah it's important for a boy yeah is what i'm saying

to be to have that you need that heart otherwise you're just a piece of shit you ever see that Simpsons episode where Marge and Lisa go away

to like clean off you know birds that got in an oil spill or something and they leave and they leave Homer and Bart and Maggie behind

yeah Maggie's gone and the house is three feet deep in garbage in like 48 hours that's that's the reality of if you leave in garbage in like 48 hours that's the reality of if you leave a man and a boy together that's what's going to happen

three feet of garbage and we have no idea where the baby is gone that's what happens it's obviously a cartoon but it's also true because Bart calls everybody cocksucker and that's it he just calls everybody cocksucker and he's watching a lot of porn and he's 10 and it's weird doesn't even's it he just said it calls everybody cocksucker and he's watching a

lot of porn and he's 10 and it's weird doesn't even know why he's watching it yet but he's watching it so uh also his mother left uh probably because his father was not even talking just watch just watch Not even understanding why. Just like, this is interesting. Not even. It really seems like her. There's no utility for it at all. There's no use for it. It's like if you had a car or a plane.

It's the same thing. It's like, wow, there's a lot of gauges and shit in here. Just staring at it and putting the fingers up at the screen. I don't know why at it and like putting his fingers up yeah at the screen i don't know why if i hit this button that happens i'm not sure that yet but it seems to it's weird uh so he apparently there's a reason why his mother left probably and that's because his father's a horribly abusive monster yeah so when you hear that he was beaten severely from a young age as a child, you go, I kind of know probably why the mother left.

It seems like if he's beating the shit out of his kid like this severely, probably beat up the mother of the kid as well. And she wasn't taking it. And he was probably saying, you ain't going to take my fucking kid away. This is in Texas, by the way. And she was like, you know what? Fuck both of you. This is a genetic cesspool.

I'm out. I'm away from it. I'm leaving. yeah out so i'm probably i don't think i blame the mother at this point so he's beaten by his father he started to run away from home and this is when you know there's a problem started to run away from home at age 10 uh running away outside of like a kid that walks down the block and like sits there because he's mad at their parents for not having goldfish yeah you know as but like actual running away and trying to like escape trying to figure it out is 98 percent of the time they always say child psychologists with kids is because of abuse sure that's why they run

away otherwise they're not going anywhere because they don't know how to take care of themselves and they don't need to and yeah that's the only time they're like i have no other choice like i have i it's it would be better to live under a tree with whatever i can fit in my backpack than to fucking be here and uh you know they're afraid for themselves so he started running away at 10 so that tells you a lot right there about where obviously him and his upbringing uh soon it goes right to crime i mean when you when you're out on the streets and you're a kid, the only way to survive, you can't get a job when you're 11. You don't have a wallet.

You can't go to the... You don't even know what your social security is. Social security number is when you're 11. I don't know. You don't know where your birth certificate is. Sign this. I don't have a signature yet. I just write it.

I guess. I don't know. That's what I do at school. I don't know. Is that it i do at school i don't know johnny the top lloyd misspelled with one l where's your id i don't own a wallet if you do have a wallet it's velcro yeah so it's not it's not working so you can't the only way to survive on the streets as a preteen is crime. Steal.

You can't do anything else. I mean, it's like a... Look at throughout history. Jesus, street urchins. Kids, they have to. What else are they going to do? Get it, Aladdin. That's right.

And so also when you're 10 and 11 and 12, the other thing about it is you're going to have to do crime. And also you're not very good at it yet because you're 10 and 11 and 12 so your your criminal sophistication is not much no at that point so that's where he's at and uh usually snatch and run you know what i mean exactly who did it well that kid how many other kid dirty-faced kids with a person their hand are they're on the block you're in trouble right so it's one of those so it this progresses to him ending up in juvenile homes and group homes and detention centers and if you know anything about juvenile homes and group homes there's some abuse there whole boy yeah uh staff other kids yeah it's it's it's kiddie training prison right for a lot of these kids uh not all of them i'm sure but some have a decent time a lot of the time that's what it is it's never a great time it's like on the wire jimmy when randy ends up there after he accidentally sort of

snitches on marlo's crew and the cops carver said i'll put a 24-hour watch on your house but it's one call the car drives away the cop car drives away two seconds later they're there throw fucking firebombs through the window oh my god you know randy's foster mother's fuck she's up burning the shit randy has to go back in foster care carver can't take care of him they won't let him because he has to go through the adoption process so next thing you know he's getting the shit beat out of him by a bunch of boys older than him who have written snitch bitch on his bed oh no that's what happens that's a group home everybody that's what happens that's every that's every one of them watch the wire yeah. Yeah. Snitch bitch. Snitch bitch. So that's what ended up happening here. So a lot of that.

He finally ran away for good at 15. And that's when he was done, never looked back. He got jobs in oil fields. God damn it. Teenage oil field worker, construction helper, anywhere he could pick up work as a teenager, he did. And he even worked as a country music singer a little bit he did some country music bar gigs oh he knows the rest as well so yeah this is a guy who should be singing country music i want to hear what the the

sad song he sings there's no frosty tips on him or any of that shit this dude will sing about my mama left me and my dad beat me in the juvenile hall that's a fucking song i want to hear about if he stops now concentrates on the music and goes forward he could be great and famous and some sort of you know that's some relatable music some dark country star at this point in time absolutely spitting blood out in between verses fucking angry looking chewing tobacco while he said i got tobacco in my lip while i'm singing see i'm tough i hit better notes i'm gonna spit this shit out but then you know what you know what though i like it it just

ain't the look ain't the same you know that's what i mean i like to have that bulge i like also when because there's so much spit in my mouth when i I do S's, I shoot shit on the front row. I do like that. I like that. It's like a Shamu splash zone. My concert's a whole encompassing. Spread it out. It's a thing.

It's a fucking thing. Well, what it is, it's a wonder for all the senses now. That's the problem. Most people, they do. I like to give you the smell of juice and a feel. And I stink. You see, I just got out. I'm a roughneck. I just got out in juice and a feel. And I stink. You see, I just got out. I'm a roughneck.

I just got out in the oil field today. So I smell pretty. Did I mention I'm not a very good singer? That's the other thing. I ain't very good at this. I'm more of a look than anything else. It's more eye appealing than ear. I'll tell you some sad stories while I'm wearing this outfit and standing on this stage.

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And our show is part true crime, part spooky, and part comedy. The stories we cover are well-researched. He claimed and confessed to officially killing up to 28 people. With a touch of humor. I'd just like to go ahead and say that if there's no band called Malevolent Deity, that is pretty great. A dash of sarcasm and just garnished a bit with a little bit of cursing. This mother****er lied. Like a liar.

Like a liar. And if you're a weirdo like us and love to cozy up to a creepy tale of the paranormal. Or you love to hop in the Wayback Machine and dissect the details of some of history's most notorious crimes. You should tune in to our podcast, Morbid. Follow Morbid on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to episodes early and ad-free by joining Wondery Plus and the Wondery app or on Apple podcasts. Now he has over the years, he ends up with convictions for robbery, assault with deadly weapons, all this type of shit. I mean, all the way up until, like I said, from 73 to 90, he's out for a total of four years here and there. 1987 inersfield california is when things really kind of come to a head for

him uh he's out in california he uh ends up uh encountering a woman named dana schaefer meyer and uh this poor woman dana schaefer meyer uh ends up with uh there's an argument he's with her in her car somehow it's 1987 there's an argument in her's with her in her car somehow. It's 1987. There's an argument in her car, and he ends up hitting her multiple times and forcing her to go into her house with him. Drags her into her own home. Once they're inside, he ordered her to Schaefer Meyer to undress and put a leather strap around her neck. Oh, boy. Okay, so this is getting fucking weird yeah then he waved a butcher knife around in her face uh threatening to kill her with it obviously

uh basically would do and we'll talk about what he did here uh uh various acts of psychological and my not mild but physical torture that lasted from 1 a.m to about 8 30 a.m oh jesus so basically he just kept this woman all night long just to fuck with her and torture her and torment her this is the kind of dude we're dealing with this is three years before jasper yeah so uh this is a mess here uh he placed the tip of the knife inside of her. Oh, no. Oh, yeah. Also would plunge the knife into the mattress all around her head, making a semicircle around her head. Horrifying her. Horrifying her.

Very much like she did with Jasper. Yeah, and would also put it close to her face and act like he was going to stab her and threaten to stab her. And then would plunge it into the mattress next to her head. This is what he was doing for seven hours. Seven hours of that shit. Seven and a half hours of tormenting this poor woman. See if she doesn't shake the rest of her life. Yeah, well, he is.

He doesn't kill her. He leaves her, ends up leaving her, and as a result, he is convicted of assault with a deadly weapon. And obviously, he has a plea deal uh for that they take off the torture things and shit like that california is liberal well in 19 uh so uh he is sentenced to but shit they plea deals are everywhere yeah anywhere with a clogged up court system has plea deals that's what that fucking thing well they always say in the in the this is this bothers me in the rural areas they always say in the in the this is this bothers me in the

rural areas they always say like well here we know how to do justice we know there's nobody fucking there your courts aren't clogged up when you have a big case you can all concentrate on it and make you there's time and they say well this is a big one let's all concentrate on it if people getting murdered in cities just fucking happens they're piled up there's a shit just based on people living in proximity to each other more people more numbers more murders they don't have fucking time unless there was 8 000 prosecutors to prosecute you take pleas when you can right that time in california there was serial killers fucking everywhere that's what i mean there's 87 there's a lot of shit bodies laying on hillside not only that the fucking gang shit was out of control there's bodies everywhere there there was you know every it was crazy there's a lot of shit going on not some dude that comes funny yeah

that's the thing not to mention in the 80s all types of budgets were slashed for everything so we're talking about less money more murders and. And hindsight, too, because back then in 87, you look at this case and you go, Jesus, this guy is just a real creep. He's not trying to kill anybody. He's just a real fucking creep. Not to mention Bakersfield is a shithole. Right. On top of that.

So, I mean, there's probably you got to do extra things to come in Bakersfield. I guess so. So he's convicted. He's sentenced to four years in prison, which seems light. I don't know. Well, it's pretty stiff. That's like considering you didn't fucking really hurt anybody. No. he's convicted he's sentenced to four years in prison which seems light i don't know that well it's pretty stiff that's like considering you didn't fucking really hurt anybody no well what he did with that knife yeah that's a bit much without that i go this is a crazy thing

and whatever but with that you go that's a bit much you're going that's rape that's what i mean that's at least rape and worse yeah i feel like you know At least a dick isn't sharp. Right. And that's not to say that that's better. And how deep did it go? God, that sounds terrible. I didn't mean it like that, but you know what I mean. A knife is a knife. It's a fucking deadly weapon.

Oh, God, Jesus. It's a murder weapon. It's scary shit. Very few people have been killed by getting stabbed with a dick. That would be a dick. That thing would sound like that if it hit the table. It would fucking knock. It fucking not hell of a dick yeah you know it's you wouldn't be able to like ride a bicycle or walk if you had a dick i think the

only dick that has murdered people is a horse dick like it's something other than a male like a yeah and dick yeah i don't think anybody's ever been right there's that legend that that queen what's her name oh what fucked a horse to fucked a horse to death. She fucked the horse to death? The horse fucked her to death. Right, right, right. Oh, that's happened a lot. Yeah, yeah. There are dudes that put it on the internet.

Oh, yeah, yeah. And then they die. I don't know why they want to do that. That makes no sense. Wow. That sounds terrible. That sounds terrible, everybody. Tell you what.

If I've heard anything that sounds terrible, that sounds terrible. Getting fucked to death by a horse. It's real. Not cool. So what ended up happening on this night? Not the night with Dana Schaefermeyer or Deanna, the night with Jasper here. Well, following the arrest of Hampton, they read him his rights and he confesses to the officer here and then gives a videotape confession of what he did. Now, in the confession, this is his story of how this all went down.

You go, why would you do this to an old man? It doesn't seem like an old man would put up a big fight. So he says that he ran into Jasper at the motel in the parking lot, And he asked Jasper for a ride to St. Louis. He said, hey, man. He doesn't know Jasper at all, by the way. He just said, hey, man, will you give me a ride to St. Louis? I'll pay for gas, is what he said. And Jasper said, no.

Hell no. Just, I don't know you, and I'm not going to St. Louis. I gotta go to Vegas. I don't know you. I'm not going there. Why would I take some weirdo from a motel parking lot to St. Louis? That's not great. So apparently, because he was getting in his car to drive away, so he ran up to say, hey,

man, can you take me to St. Louis? And he goes, no, I'm not going that way. Whatever. So Jasper drives off alone, comes back about 10 minutes later. So, I mean, yeah, maybe he went to get gas or whatever. Grab another can of Dinty more. You never know. Probably.

I assume so. And so he went to get gas or whatever, grab another can of Dinty Moore. You never know. Probably. I assume so. And so he comes back. Ten minutes later, he goes up into his room. And Hampton watched Jasper go to his room, so he knows where it is. Apparently, he lets a few minutes go by. Enough time for him to get a can open and start digging in. Yeah. You know, just looking for a piece of meat.

And then Lloyd, Hampton here, knocks on Jasper's meat and uh if and then lloyd hampton here knocks on jasper's door and asks if he could use the bathroom yeah now at this point this is the guy from the parking lot that asked me for a ride i'm gonna open my fucking door for this guy again and now he said can you use the bathroom and jasper said fine you can use my bathroom now once inside lloyd tells jasper quote that he's very foolish to let him into his room which that is that's a horrifying thing to say lets him in close the door and he goes well you were stupid for doing that that was foolish um can you imagine how frightening that would be why a 60 something year old man why is that foolish i am frail uh jesus christ yeah uh so he uh at this point lloyd orders uh orders jasper to lie down on

his bed and then begins rifling through his shit basically he said lie down and stay there while i look through your shit for something to steal so he's going through all his shit uh he picks out a suitcase and a microwave that he finds in the room, picks those up, puts those over by the door. We'll put these there for later. I don't want to forget them on the way out. You know what I mean? Which is efficient.

I'll give him that. You don't want to forget things. You know how it is. You forget your keys. You forget your microwave. It's another guy's suitcase. It's right here. Right here.

It's a motel room. You're not forgetting anything, bud. It's a room. Right. And it's probably not a great one, I'm going to guess. I'm assuming it's a motel. It is. It's a mot motel it's a motel in troy yeah that's what i mean yeah that that air conditioner that you have to turn the tv up 30 notches when it comes on right it's one of those deafen yourself yeah i know huh

your hair's blowing in the breeze smells like mold yeah it's the grossest smell what's that place we stayed in in la jimmy the vagabond that's it the one that their wi-fi is vag for free vag if you're ever at the vagabond in in glendale there outside la it's close proximity to hollywood that's the thing if you're just going there for a show bucks a night not making any money super affordable no and it's it And I haven't seen it. We've stayed there a couple times. I never saw any bugs. Never.

So it's one of those. It's clean in that regard. But everything is from, much like Jasper's Pontiac, 1978. The carpet, the air conditioning, the furniture. It's that sort of shit. So I feel like when the air conditioning would come on, it smelled like mold and cleaning product. Yeah.

Like they went just pour some pine salt in the air. It stinks. Pour the Fabuloso right into the filter. Directly. Wherever that air comes out, pour Fabuloso in there. Right on top of that. Let it dry. And then it'll.

Really? Don't get rid of the mold. No. Fabuloso over it. We'll fix the smell. We'll fix that shit now now uh at this point he sets everything by the door hampton does and this is this is why he's an asshole i mean he's killing people that's obviously an asshole but the fact that he seems to enjoy inflicting torture on people and mental torment and anguish because at this point hampton tells

jasper you got a choice which you're very foolish to let me in you have a choice this is all weird movie shit we've already established that i make bad choices yeah i let's not leave this up to me how's that i've already made a bad choice i let you in and i ate two cans of dinny more today i've had a rough day not doing the best day of choices too bad maybe three if you count each dinty as a bad yeah dinty and then more so i had dinty then i had more so jesus christ this is so horrible so lloyd tells jasper that you have a choice you can either be tied up in gags or i could kill you those are your choices okay tied up and gagged yeah or killed right which one now as much as you don't want to be tied up and gagged it is preferable to death usually i would say you know just in general most people are going to choose as soon as you don't want to be tied up and gagged, it is preferable to death, usually, I would say. You know, just in general.

Most people are going to choose the former. As soon as you get those options, you generally look at the guy and go, you are right. I make terrible choices. Yes, this is. This was a very foolish thing. Foolish was a good way to put it, as a matter of fact. I like the way he did that. Maybe I should have dropped you at St. Louis.

Damn it. Giving him a ride. Well, maybe. Or he probably would have just robbed him in the car. Or have this play out in a fucking Pontiac which is worse this event in a pontiac or this event in a motel at least he can go out the window in a pontiac in the hotel room you're fucked in the backwoods of fucking illinois though well who knows yeah who knows man there's guys popping out lame ms shirts judging you no good the whole thing's gonna be weird

i'll run the aryan brotherhood around here that's what the guy literally said unbelievable i was like he tells that to steve james interviewing him in a documentary i'll run the aryan brotherhood he's proud of it like i'm the guy to talk to this is not what you brag about oh my god it was amazing so anyway uh so lloyd ties jasper's wrists and ankles and puts tape over his mouth okay so he chose gagging he chose the yeah he chose the former i think he chose you know what i'll go with that so uh he does this then he puts uh he puts tape over his mouth and he's afraid he's gonna get loose he's like i don't know he seems spry yeah he seems spry for his age i'm not sure here so then hampton puts tape over his mouth or over his nose now you can't breathe so now he's got it over his nose and his mouth and then he put his hand over jasper's nose and mouth to suffocate him he's like like, well, I taped it up. Now, if I put my hand on it, that'll probably just kill him pretty quick.

So he does this and, you know, he does this and thinks he's dead. Right. So he's got to test to see whether he's dead. Oh, my God. Okay. Now, how would you test to see if someone was alive? Pick up the hand and let it go. Hulk Hogan sleeper hold style.

One, two, three. Oh, no! He's up, everybody! He's shaking his fist. The crowd... Pandemonium! He just picked up the hand. It won't drop a third time.

He's dead. I feel like a pulse would be a good way to look at it. Maybe. Sit there and watch that chest. You could get a mirror and put it under his nose. You could could watch his chest you could feel a pulse in case it's light breathing because you've you know you suffocate him knock them out he could be kind of in a coma type situation so you would feel as so you feel his pulse i would imagine uh lloyd has a different idea of how you test for death oh boy this is i'm really glad he's not like a medical examiner

or you know a doctor anybody that would check to see if someone's alive because his way of doing it's a little odd he is under the impression he's jesus christ he ends up saying that he he heard in prison in texas because he's done time in multiple states while he was in jail in prison uh we're jail and same thing while he was in jail in prison i'm jail and Texas, same thing. While he was in jail and prison, I'm just going to go with that. Texas prison, whatever, same thing. By the way, Dallas and Houston, that's sold out. So I don't care.

There's like five tickets left for Houston. Other than that, who cares? So anyway, he has been told in jail that dead bodies, one thing they don't do is in addition to have a heartbeat or breath is bleed what once someone's dead who the fuck told they don't bleed anymore oh boy some idiot in a texas prison this is well you know what i mean not the brightest don't take medical scientific advice from someone you meet in a texas prison somebody meeting me and b in a texas prison they don't bleed what no once they're dead and it's not even like you wait an hour and then they don't right soon as they're dead they don't bleed anymore it's all like the

blood turns to like stone then it's like you know yeah it's like a comic book or something. He's dead and everything just freezes up. And he turns into a stone person. That's how gargoyles are made. They don't bleed if they have no blood. That's generally when they start bleeding. Drained first, maybe. But no, he says, under the impression dead bodies don't bleed. So he takes his knife and starts slicing up jasper's forehead

wow to see if he's dead yeah just starts hacking away i wonder if his forehead will bleed if i cut it that'll jesus yeah like some sort of demented wrestler again we're back into this so uh it started bleeding because you know he's a human being with blood in his body so at that point he's like well fuck he's not dead clearly because he's bleeding so he puts his hand over and just holds him holds his hand over his nose and mouth with the tape for another like five ten minutes just to make sure that he's dead now he's got to be dead you know what i mean uh so he said but i gotta check again obviously right i mean he wasn't dead the first time he could be playing possum yeah you never know this is this is why you stay in school yeah jesus christ biology in high school he would have learned that he would have learned this in

like eighth grade health class one more year hang on you're almost there big guy uh instead he says well i want to check to see uh if he's dead so what i'll do is i'll uh slice his throat and then he sliced his throat. More blood came out, but it wasn't as active as the first time. So he's just like, all right, good enough. And then he stuck the knife in his neck and was like, I'll leave that there. So that's good. Yeah, he was like, all right, he's good.

Like, plunk, okay, leave that. Don't need that later, obviously. I already used it to kill this guy. If he wasn't dead, he is now. He is now, yeah. That's the other thing. So he does that. That's the knife that was found when he was uh caught obviously or what the knife that was found in him when they when they walked in the room uh after this he puts the suitcase in the microwave and takes his 500 check that he made uh jasper right out to him suitcase

in the microwave suitcase and the microwave not in the microwave? Suitcase and the microwave. Oh, got it. Not in the microwave. What? What's that? It's a huge microwave. Giant microwave, tiny suitcase. And he drives to Livingston, Illinois, which is nearby, to a place called Bugs Lounge. And that's where he, B-U-G-G-S, and that's where he drives to cash the check and buys a round for the house there.

So, yeah. So now he's got 380. So now he's got 380 so he's got 380 yeah so he then gets back into the car and drives back to troy because when you kill somebody and steal their car you go back to where you came from right no stupid keep driving wherever you're driving and stops at a texaco truck stop plenty of gas stations to choose from in troy as we know from the reviews uh where that's when the cops came upon him, said, whose car is this?

Why do you have a microwave? Who wrote you this check? Let's check this all out. So that's how that ended up working. He also ended up having keys to two safe deposit boxes registered to Jasper at the Troy Security Bank. deposit boxes registered to jasper at the troy security bank so he was planning on hanging around and going to the bank and cracking the safe deposit boxes that's he was that's it he was gonna go have a couple of drinks and then he was probably heading back to the hotel to sit in the

fucking room yeah you know and wait to go to the bank that's probably what he was doing or to spend the rest of his money or to spend another what 1899 on another motel room in troy i suppose now uh uh yeah they all they confirmed the ownership and they went in and they found the body they found the room ransacked he admits to killing he gives that statement uh they also during the investigation they find hampton's fingerprints all over the crime scene uh Saliva stamp samples were consistent with ones taken from his cigarette butts found at the scene. And also a spot of blood found on his pants were consistent with Jasper's and inconsistent

with Hampton. So he had the victim's blood on him, fingerprints all over the place, and saliva from his cigarette butts at the scene. Not guilty. Not guilty. Clearly. Clearly he came in., lover's quarrel. He left.

This guy couldn't handle it. Jasper had to commit suicide based on the jilted nature of the affair. Not so. So there's not a lot of doubt on who did this based on physical evidence and his brazen admittance of the whole, just admitting of the whole thing. Oh, yeah. Oh, no oh no i did it of course uh so a couple days go by and they're going to charge him obviously with that with the murder he gets indicted for murder and uh he also is indicted of different charges as well of uh about three days before he murdered jasperleton, he apparently tied a woman up and held her captive for four days.

Oh, well. Intermittently beating her with a hammer. Holy shit. This was four days. A week of that. Yeah, three to four days. A week of that. She didn't know whether it was three or four days.

That's how it bled into another. She lost track of self and sundown. Well, if you're tied up being beaten with a hammer for days on end, you might just lose track of shit after a while. Yeah. Where you are and when you are and everything else. Who knows if she had injuries and whatever. So he's going to be charged for that. She only got away.

He didn't let her go. He didn't leave she escaped wow he fell asleep and she escaped and ran to the police beaten with a fucking hammer saying i've just been held captive for three goddamn days holy hell so this guy is a fucking monster this isn't troy also this is also yeah this is right up the road this is insane uh i don't even know what to say about this because he was he was gonna kill her yeah he was just having fun with it for a few days first but he was gonna kill her this one he was just like well you know i don't have to torture him because i just want to

take his microwave i gotta get out of town so i'm gonna need to safety deposit box right that's the other thing he was coming back knowing that this woman was out there too he was like well i'm good on that i guess so he is charged with two counts of armed violence account of aggravated battery and two counts of aggravated unlawful restraint for the woman and then obviously you know aggravated murder for his uh for his uh jasper deal uh he decides right away he's like i'm not going to fucking trial for this. I goddamn did it. And I'm happy to say I did it. I'm going to plead guilty.

He says he's going to plead guilty to intentional murder, murder in the course of a forcible felony, i.e. robbery, and murder in the course of a second forcible felony, armed robbery. So he's pleading guilty to some death penalty level shit here. That's the thing. And there's a lot of people who would just love for him to get the death penalty. And Illinois, at this point, since 1962, has not executed anybody. Not a single one. No, there's a guy on death row at this point, at this time that's going on, that they've been batting around for a while, whether to kill him or not. And this is kind of, so that's a hot button issue in Illinois at the time.

And this is like, I mean, he's an unrepentant. Because that's the other thing. It's just like, you know, people have a hard time. We've talked about death penalty a lot. And if you're new to the show or you're kind of catching up late or going backward, listening backwards, we don't know how we feel about the death penalty. We really don't have like a, it should be there and it shouldn't be there.

They fuck it up way too much. Too much. They fuck it up too much. They execute innocent people. So we don't like the death penalty. I do like the idea and theory of it. The idea of killing someone who definitely did something wrong sounds good. But the point of you don't actually know is enough

that's a problem is that in practice they execute a lot of innocent people and even if they execute one innocent person that's probably too many for at all it's far too many but but we also are under the case under the thing of we do a lot of cases where there is no doubt of the murderer who did this is not a there's no question no it's not going to be like i'm not sure he did it he fucking did it we know he did it he said he did it he definitely did a physical evidence robbery they didn't force a confession out of him he was like oh no fire up the camera i want to tell you everything that happened and he's gonna plead guilty and he wants to plead guilty all of this so this guy is not a real and the thing is that

people will feel sympathy for people is remorse they'll go well they're remorseful and when you see someone that's remorsefully go well christ i've made a mistake and not that big of a mistake but you think about that but when someone's like fuck that guy are you glad i killed him it's hard to feel bad for him yeah it's hard to not go well then just execute him fuck this guy uh there is a petition. A Herschel Crawford, who's a 73-year-old retiree from the Edwardsville area. He was a friend of Jasper's since childhood. Of course he was. They've been friends for 60 years, these people.

He said that he and the other residents of Troy, they have a petition signed by more than 300 local residents, They have a petition signed by more than 300 local residents saying urging the authorities and the prosecutors to seek the maximum punishment against against Hampton because of how well liked Jasper was. And, you know, what a beloved man in the community. He says Crawford says of Pendleton, quote, He had been such a nice guy, which. OK, that's good he said that you know he has no relatives uh in troy or anything else like he's kind of by himself he's got a brother that's dying in vegas for fuck's sake pretty much all he has got nothing yeah uh he said of the they said well what do the local people think of hampton and this guy this herschel crawford's answer was quote they hope this bird does get the chair or however they do it now. That's what he deserves.

This bird. Weird way to put it. What do you call a lady? A lady. Like if you're in England. Right. An English woman. And you're after her ass.

You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. That's what I mean. You never call something that you don't want a bird. Yeah. You wouldn't be. Yeah. You wouldn't call your grandma a bird. Oh, jailbird.

Jailbird. That's what he's calling him. Oh, I hope this bird. Because he's a jailbird. He's been in prison his whole goddamn life. He's a jailbird. Yeah, I hope this bird does get the chair, however they do it now. That's what he deserves.

So that's the general sentiment of the town. They want to basically, if they could, they would take their pitchforks and come and drag this man away. And, you know, I mean, maybe that's what I mean. We would rather have that than have the state do some weird,

because I just think executions are weird. I think it's weird. It's creepy. The weirdest way it's done. It's creepy. To take a human, no matter what they've done, just to take them and go,

the state has issued a piece of paper that adults who went to law school have all signed off on and done all this shit so that another guy can take you out of your cell and take you to a room where you calmly sit there while they kill you. It's a weird fucking thing. And a shitload of people get to watch. It's just weird.

As a human being, it's fucking weird. But to me, it's less weird for 300 angry people who knew the victim to come tear him limb from limb to me that feels like all right that seems reasonable to me i don't know why obviously that's harder on the person but again though it seems more reasonable i'm sure that that has happened several times where the guy didn't do it you know what i mean oh several times absolutely that's what i mean it's so specific if. Absolutely. That's what I mean. It's so specific. If you get a guy like this, unrepentant, doesn't give a fuck, physical evidence, confessions, a history of doing the same shit and progress, every factor you can get.

And then you go, we'll let everyone kill him. We're going to put him in like a pen. Yeah. And it's going to be like a Roman times thing. We're just going to put him in a pen where we do like bullfights and we're going to put him in like a pen. Yeah. And it's going to be like a Roman times thing. We're just going to put him in a pen where we do like bullfights and we're going to release the town into him and he can, they can tear him limb from limb. Like, I don't fucking know. Well, everybody watches.

Yeah. And cheers. It's like medieval times. What's going on here? We have a grog of Pepsi. Perfect. Perfect. So, uh, so they do, he pleads guilty and they do a pre-sentencing report to see you

know because they do that beforehand they have the prosecutor works it up and they try to look for they have psychologists talk to him and they try to see where he's at and they try to you know they go for all that shit you know any scenario that you put together in terms of executing a prisoner it all sounds just as ridiculous as the way we do it that's what every one of them all sounds crazy it all sounds do you want a meal and they give you a meal and they treat you nice the last day and they give you a meal and that's going buddy and here's your priest oh yeah your mom's here everything's great and then they take you in and they go we're gonna murder you in a very organized calm fashion it's super weird and white robes and shit fucking strange dude that's just

as a human bit as a human process it's just weird so uh the pre-sentence report uh he tells the person that does the report that the whole reason he did this he goes look i wanted to kill myself but i'm too religious yeah i'm a really the Yeah. I'm very much into the Lord, Jimmy. That's the thing. I mean, the Lord doesn't mind that I torture women for days at a time with hammers and stick knives in them and fucking kill old men. I apologize. I'm a very pious man, Jimmy.

That's the thing. So I couldn't commit suicide. Obviously, the ramifications... Have you read the Bible? I'd go to hell for that. They're very against it. Very much against suicide. You know, if you break the rules of the bible as long as you apologize and repent there's no repenting after yourself how you repent i can't apologize i mean obviously i'm at a conundrum

there so i figure i'd go on a murder spree and this is how it works so he said at this point too he says that he promises to kill other inmates or provoke fights in prison to get himself killed if he's not sentenced to death he's like if you don't kill me yeah so i'm gonna get someone else to kill me he's basically a great point i'll kill other people too and then maybe if i kill that guy you'll sentence me to death i'll kill as many people as i need to to get sentenced to death and in the meantime i'll try to get killed by prisoners which doesn't seem like a hard thing to do he is a terrible human being he's an awful person uh his public defender who's just the picture of him would just be a guy with his shoulders shrugged and his arms out and his eyes wide going what the fuck am i supposed to do with this what did i do to deserve this or he's going this is an easy one

what do you want me to do? Nothing. I want to die. Great. Case closed. Have a good one. What the fuck? I'm going to go home.

This guy, John Rakowski, he says that he believes Hampton doesn't really want to die, but is choosing to seek the death penalty because he sees it as the only way to control his own destiny, is what he says. He says, and this is another Patricia uh patricia vader from the illinois coalition against the death penalty she says now i this lady's against it too she says quote he's a gifted man oh boy but he's just lost all hope why don't you just say he's a man yeah but he's lost he's a human being that's lost all hope he He's not a gifted man, I don't think. How can that organization also be against it?

This should be the only one where they're like, you know, sometimes we're wrong. Let's choose our battles. Hey, everybody, we're going to set this one out next time. No comment? Fuck. Collectively? No comment. No comment.

Okay, I'll give you gifted if he knew that a body that was dead bled still. Good point. You're not gifted if you, I heard in prison that if you stab somebody when they're dead, they don't bleed. That's not a gifted man. I'm sorry. So, June 27th, 1990, they have a pre-sentencing hearing. Jesus Christ.

His whole march to the death penalty is insane. This is fucking crazier than the crime. So they have a hearing. He chooses to waive his right to a jury sentencing and elects to proceed with a bench sentencing hearing, which he wants the judge to give him a thing, which is not smart. You can sway jurors emotionally. You can't sway judges emotionally. Generally, he doesn't want to, though.

They're cold hearted. And he knows that. And that's maybe he is gifted. This is his way of getting the death penalty. My lawyer might sway a jury, but this judge is going to look at me and go, this is the guy. He's the first fucking guy in line to kill this guy. This one I won't get in trouble for. No, no, no.

Yeah, they're not going to mind this one. So they have a hearing eligibility for this. They have an eligibility hearing for the death penalty. And the court took judicial notice on the state's request of the factual basis presented at the guilty hearing. So basically they entered all the factual facts of the case into this. all the factual facts of the case into this. Over the defense's objection, the court also admits into evidence certified copies of his prior convictions

for the last 25 years, which does not look good for him. That looks terrible. Whatsoever, especially when you see the progression of it. Or it looks great for him. Or if you want to die, he's, hey, buddy, you're batting 1,000. He's up for a position,

and he's the most qualified. The position for a position and he's the most qualified. The position of executed and he's the most qualified. This is prior convictions for theft, robbery, escape, assault with a deadly weapon, all this type of thing. He's also, when he's in jail, he tries to escape all the time. He sucks. He really sucks. They also put other things into the record here. They took judicial notice of information contained in the pre-sentencing report to his history of delinquency and criminality and his statements to the interviewer saying that he's basically proud of this.

They present the testimony of Linda Van Dyke, who's an employee of the Madison County Probation and Court Services Department here. She's assigned to prepare the pre-sentencing report in her report she says that uh she asked him uh hampton about his family and background and he cautioned her that he did not want any of this information that he's giving he's like if i give you my background they're going to try to use this as mitigation right so i don't want you using this shit for me right against me you know how i mean yeah for me but against me because i want to die because i'm trying to lose so for but against because that childhood is mitigating circumstances mother left father beat him ran away at 10 all that that's all that's all oh maybe he didn't have a chance mitigating life without parole type circumstances

so he doesn't want any of that he's, this shit better not get in there like that. Also in the report, he says that he told her throughout the course of the interview that he didn't want any of the information that he gave her to be, quote, perceived as mitigating. I don't want you to take any of this as in my favor. So everything I tell you, I'm telling you this. Take it as he's a bad guy, not, oh, this poor troubled man. That's what he's a bad guy, not, oh, this poor troubled man. That's what he's trying to say, basically.

The report says that he tells this Van Dyke that he wanted the court to understand that he deserves the death penalty. That's what he really wanted to get expressed in this report. They said that he was obviously aware of that. This would be in the sentencing report and everything like that he was aware that uh this interview was a pre-sentence investigation interview and again he's aware of all the shit it's not like she walked in and said hi i'm fucking linda yeah and then she started asking questions and he was answering them and didn't know what they were for or anything like that he was aware of the purpose of the interview everything like that uh now he does have uh uh he does have a another reason why he did it too okay he says that uh he tells us van dyke that uh wow this is amazing he says look i was paid to kill this guy okay i'm a hitman yeah that's oh i'm a paid

assassin yeah i was paid to kill a 69 year old man with no relations in the area because he's got lots of enemies, obviously, with a dead wife. He didn't do more than never leaves his motel room. Clearly, they just like me to make random hits. It's a time. They say, find the saddest man in town and kill him. And I did it. I'm the best there is.

Obviously, that is the saddest man in town. So I feel so bad for poor Jasper. Jesus Christ. So he said that, yeah, I was paid to kill him because a man told me that Jasper was a snitch. Okay. That's what he's a 69 year old man. So, you know, he's obviously up in the cocaine trade. Yeah.

And he's probably put several Colombian cartels behind bars, I feel, by this point in his life. So obviously he's obviously up in the cocaine trade, and he's probably put several Colombian cartels behind bars, I feel, by this point in his life. So obviously he's a snitch that needs to be dealt with on a physical level. So yeah, he didn't tell her who had paid him. He wouldn't tell her that. He wouldn't tell her where the plan originated, who it was. He just said, there's a guy that paid me money to kill that old snitch. Okay.

That's it. No details. None of that. He also, you know, they defend subjects, but in court during the sentencing hearing, they play the confession tape, the videotape, where he's like, oh, no, I fucking killed him. Good. Oh, yeah. No, he deserved it.

Fuck that guy. Blah, blah, blah. So, Jesus Christ. Then they present the crime scene investigator here. And, you know, then that's the end of the prosecutions. The defense presents no evidence, which is not great. a reasonable doubt that he was over the age of 18 at the time of the murder and intentionally murdered him in the course of a burglary or armed robbery making him death penalty eligible right there so he's got to do that uh the state also argued that he was eligible based on his commission of murder for hire they're like well if he says he got murdered fuck it who cares either way you know what i mean he robbed him and he was murdered for hire so never story put them all in there doesn't matter uh also uh deanna schaefer meyer testifies oh boy oh boy he must have shit

a prick when he saw well he was probably like awesome she'll really get him to kill me this should work this will work this should do all this she doesn't like me at all this is gonna be oh boy i i was a doozy on that one i I really, let me tell you. If you guys don't feel sorry for an elderly man, you're really going to. Wait till you hear from her. Wait till you hear from a young lady. Oh, boy. What did I do? Oh, I did a lot of things.

Wow. She testified that this poor fucking woman was in counseling for post-traumatic stress for over a year after the assault. Oh, it ain't stopping anytime soon. I was going to say, she's probably in and out yeah uh she also said that uh um she did say that he has not tried to contact her since his release from prison which that's that's that was the defense is like well he hasn't tried to contact you since then right and she's like no and they're like well see well he learned his lesson you guys know what he what has happened

to me and um if he does it again then he's for sure going away yeah so he's not coming to find me now it's fucking ridiculous now they talk to him he makes a statement lloyd uh he says quote jesus christ i would like to say that i should be sentenced to death i'm aware of the supreme court ruling in april concerning appeals filed on behalf of a condemned man. We've went over this actually once before where outside parties can file appeals for you. If he doesn't want those appeals. And I would like to state for the record, although it's been pointed out to me that I have state appeals I have to go through. Once those are over, those are the auto appeals.

I don't wish to have my case appealed by anyone. Wants to fucking die. So the judge says, well, you know what? You, sir, may fuck off. Death penalty for you. Why not? That's what the hell? Yeah.

You know what? Throw yourself a little party if you're so fucking excited about it. Great. Woohoo. Yeah. We're jacked, too. Yeah. So at his sentencing, he tells the judge who imposed the sentence, they say, do you have

anything to say after the sentence? And he says, this is fucking amazing. He says, quote, it's one of the few times in my life that I've ever got what I wanted. I don't know what to tell all those liberal crybabies out there. I believe in the death penalty. Wow. As they're taking him away to pre-execute it at some point. He is making, I don't even know what to say about it.

He's rubbing it in. One of the few times in life I ever got what I want. Thanks, Judge. You know, I believe in the death penalty. And, you know, fry this, man. He deserves it. Especially for me. Now, Schaefer-Meyer agreed.

She actually said the prosecutors were too lenient in agreeing to a plea bargain in her case, and he served only two years of the four-year sentence in California. She said, quote, the system had its hands on this guy, but he was let out and an innocent person wound up dying and also beaten by a fucking hammer.

So multiple things. Now, another quote from Hampton. I have to tell you, he references a guy named Walker in this. Walker is the guy who they took forever to figure out if they were going to execute. He's the guy who was the first guy executed in years in Illinois. He says, quote, I am constantly being told Walker had to sit here a long time. And so will you. In the first place, Walker didn't trying to didn't start trying

to dump his appeals until he'd been here for quite some time in the second place while he was trying to dump them he hadn't been in a he there hadn't been an execution in illinois for over 27 years so he's like i they will kill me god damn it there's like him one thing but i'm on the fucking fast track i'm asking they killed him already he he's squirming he he set the road straight for me uh then they asked him a little bit more about the death penalty and this is one of the most honest things anybody's ever said in a terrible way he says quote i am and always have been a firm believer that the punishment should fit the crime i suffocated a man then put a long-bladed butcher knife all the way through

his throat and left it there i did the entire thing very slowly putting him through much mental torture if that doesn't call for my death then there's no crime that does he's like do you know how fucked up i am did you see what i did to that guy are you kidding me who's more fucked up than me come on stick the needles in me let's go did uh did gacy get the death penalty or did he get life he got life he got life uh yeah so that was he stuck the blade in so it protruded out the other side like yeah but that's fucking crazy that this guy does this yeah and gets the death penalty but i guess gacy probably went with the gacy guilty shit gacy also if you

remember was like in his lawyer's office when he got arrested like he was going to his lawyer they were like setting that up ahead of time to make deals and shit like that like he knew he didn't want to need it yeah this is a different story yeah this guy is trying for death and wants death he refuses to have any mitigating shit. Now, after this goes on, he's sitting on death row or in prison here. He continues to maintain that he tells people in letters and interviews that he killed Pendleton for a reason,

that he was passing through Southwest Illinois after he got out of prison in California when he was hired to kill Pendleton. He said that the man who hired him, who was an unnamed former Illinois inmate, said that Jasper was a snitch who would help send him to prison, so he needed to

die. And Lloyd was the man to do it. A stranger who you just met who was passing through town. Clearly the popped over at a job fair and doesn't even have a car. You're going to trust this guy to murder people and get away with it the fuck he's talking about unreal so uh he says that he will not rat on the man who hired him but he says he also made sure to commit other crimes while killing pendleton and torturing him like burning his eyelids with cigarettes and stealing

his belongings to ensure that he got the death penalty he's like uh uh torture that's part of it fucking you know steal shit yeah he's running uh uh torture that's part of it yeah fucking you know steal shit yeah he's running the checklist i'm murder for okay good this should do it jesus christ so uh good god also the police chief uh the uh uh it's from the city of troy robert joseph noonan he talks about a letter that he received from uh lw hampton which is lloyd wayne hampton it said that uh that uh jesus christ he referred to uh uh he referred to jasper in a derogatory manner several times and expressed his lack of remorse further and repeatedly for the murder kept saying i really don't care that i killed him and i don't like him and fuck that guy and so uh yeah that was also put into the whole thing so there's an auto appeal obviously it's a

death penalty case so uh auto appeal here uh goes in he's uh uh jesus christ he's trying to find multiple things here they're trying to find uh error in trial court's reliance on an invalid aggravating factor. That's what they're trying to do here. The aggravating factor here was committed during the commission of a burglary, but because the motel room was Jasper's residence, it should have been charged as committing a residential

burglary, which is not under the death penalty statute. In 1990, the death penalty statute when he killed Jasper, listed burglary as a factor, making one eligible for death, but not residential burglary. It didn't specifically leave it out, but it omits it. It doesn't say residential.

It doesn't say it in there. So now it's corrected at this point, but when he's under 1990 law, because that's when he committed it. So they're like, now they're going, Are we're gonna do a new one that's how that works so the statute uh on this whole thing uh uh it's a two basically like we said it's eligibility first is are you over 18 second is do you have the aggravating factor so they're going over that he uh hampton's you know attorneys argue that the judge characterized burglary as an aggravating factor when in fact he wasn't guilty of burglary but rather residential burglary

and was sentenced on the basis of an invalid aggravating factor uh then he argues that uh death penalty uh basically that uh they it's a illinois is called a weighing state where which aggravating factors are weighed against mitigating factors he says so that's how that works he says then if that's true the scales were improperly balanced against him by the judge for allowing an invalid our aggravator obviously so I mean I don't know if come on man Jesus Christ he says the differences between weighing and non-weighing states are the difference in sentencing schemes in Georgia and Mississippi. In Georgia, the fact finder is, quote, not instructed to give any special weight to any

aggravating circumstance, to consider multiple aggravating circumstances any more significant than a single aggravating circumstance, or to balance aggravating against mitigating circumstances. Where in Illinois, everything's got to be balanced. It's that sort of thing. Now, he's in jail, and he is pushing hard for an execution. Oh, yeah. He wrote letters to the prosecutors promising,

if you don't kill me soon, I'll start killing jail guards, basically. I'm going to start killing everyone around me if you don't execute me starting with the guards because you don't seem to care about the inmates but you probably care about the jail staff so i'll start stabbing them uh execute me he also says by the way i really really enjoyed killing roy jasper and i feel no remorse still so that's still on the table and i'm going to kill jail guards if you don't fucking kill me. So 1992, they move him to death row. It's moved to the Menard Correctional Center here. He spent his final days writing letters to family and friends, watching TV, that sort of shit. He said he persuaded his relatives and friends not to join efforts to stop his execution.

November 7th, 1992. Executions in four days he basically has like a hat on that says kill me and he's waving like pom-poms and flags saying can't wait to die he's cheerleading the whole thing uh he uh so uh days before uh this ends up happening he says he wants the death penalty he's calling death penalty opponents that are trying to get it stopped meddlers you and your meddling i would have been executed already if it wasn't for you meddling kids what is he doing uh yeah who are trying to stop that he says he's getting what he deserves and what he wanted when he killed roy jasper he says that's why he fucking did this

and now you're trying to say god damn it he said quote i had given up on trying to make it so he did that uh he said i was at a point in my life where i was sick of being there sick of sick of being out there sick of being in here all my life what was i going to do out there i decided i either had to put myself in a position of being killed by somebody or else committing suicide at that point i had strong beliefs about not killing myself, about someone taking his own life, so I put myself in a position to have the state kill me. I love your religious beliefs don't preclude you from murdering.

But you can't murder yourself. Yeah, that's un-fucking-real. But not yourself, because that would be bad. Because you're so scared to go to hell. Fuck you. You're such a holy man. Yeah. And your body, that matters to Christ.

Yeah. It's fucking ridiculous. He talked more about the meddlers in this interview. He said, quote, I never knock those people. They do what they believe in. I don't expect them not to do their job. But there's no doubt in my mind, or really anyone else's, that I am competent. The judge had no doubt. The state Supreme Court had no doubt. there's no doubt in my mind or really anyone else's that i am competent the judge had no doubt the state supreme court had no doubt there's no doubt about it look a bad or

terrible childhood can be a reason for why you do something but it's never an excuse if you know the right things to do and willingly choose to go the wrong way that is not your childhood there's always uh and then he said uh the death penalty opponents uh saying uh you know he's about him having a terrible life. They always say stuff like that. Look at the poor little guy. He got his nose broke by his dad when he was a child. But I don't buy that.

So then he went on to warn outsiders not to file appeals on his behalf. He doesn't want his shit put off any longer. He said that, you know, basically if someone files something at the last minute he could be being wheeled out there and they're going to stop it to do the court thing so he's he's worried that that's going to happen uh at some point kind of cool it's almost like stabbing a bed around his around his head yeah yeah just pull him back and forward just keep doing it oh that'd be great that Oh, shit. That's what we do to torment this asshole for years. Just keep doing it over and over again.

So good. Four or five times a week. He expects, he says that his sister, one of his six siblings, and some friends are going to visit him before. Who's friends with this piece of shit? He says he feels sympathy for Jasper's friends and relatives, but not for Jasper. No, none for him.

He says that he abandoned all hope. He said he's abandoned hope that execution will send a message to others who commit crimes. He said that doesn't work. It's not a deterrent. He said for him, you deserve it,

so you should get it, but it's not going to stop anybody else from doing anything, which is kind of, I think, the logic. That's kind of like the true logic if you want somebody to be executed say it's because you think they deserve it don't say it's a deterrent because mathematically it's not this is not we just know that for a fact now we've done the math it's it's been out for a while not a deterrent this guy in specific uh in particular it was it was the motivator it was

a motivator yes exactly less than a deterrent yeah well yeah back in the day or if there was no x no death penalty maybe he would have just went and like started shooting at cops or something and hoped to get shot but i don't know uh he says quote kids these days especially in big cities they're already hardened they don't pay attention to people like me to them i'm a fool who got caught that's the fucking factor right there they all think well i'm not going to get caught. Death penalty proponents say it's a deterrent, but only an idiot thinks that executing me will deter any future criminals. It only deters the one being executed.

Fair. And that's what other people that are pro-death penalty will say. Well, he ain't going to kill again. Well, that's true. I'm fine with that. Okay. So, I mean, there's arguments on both sides. So Amnesty

international obviously as opposed to the death penalty here they said they will ask the governor formally to stop all this shit which is insane so november 9th 1992 a panel of physicians he scheduled i think on the 12th to get executed november 9th or the 11th a panel of physicians uh try to block the execution of lloyd here they say the presence of a doctor at the execution violates medical ethics which i've wondered for years how the fuck do you do that how do you participate in that if you're a doctor uh 13 doctors asked the state medical disciplinary board to punish any physician who assists in a death penalty thing, even if all the doctor does is pronounce him dead.

If he participates in any way, one of them says here, a legal aid group, quote, the right of a profession to enforce its own ethical standards supersedes the state's desire to involve physicians in the taking of a human's life. Perfectly fucking fair. If you're a doctor, you can't be forced to do it. If you don't want to do it, you shouldn't. So, yeah, he says the state's doing him a favor he says quote if they did it yesterday it wouldn't be soon enough for me so that's what he's saying here he just keeps they say no don't

execute him he's like nope yesterday yeah fucking tomorrow yesterday was late would have still been goddamn late here so uh yeah uh he says quote uh this is uh quote the coalition's going to file a petition for clemency this is amnesty international uh with the governor and he's going to deny it no i'm sorry this is hampton coalition's going to file a petition for clemency with the governor and he's going to deny it i've told people all along they're not going to mess with me like they did with charles walker by the end of this year i'll be gone okay so that's it november we're in november This is November 9th. The prison says, they asked the prison and the spokesman, the corrections department spokesman, Nick Howell, says the lethal injection machine has been tested and Hampton's been moved to the, quote, X house, which is the death house there.

And he said, quote, we're all ready to go. We got it fired up. We clean the fucking tubes out on that thing like a soda fountain thing. It's ready. I mean, it's clean. It's coming out. We're all ready to go. We're ready to go.

I love that. We're all ready to go. I mean, we will kill the shit out of this guy right now. That's really great. That's a good quote. We're all ready to go over here. See him rubbing his hands together. We're all clean.

Everybody good? All right. It's spotless in here we're prepped bring him we have a we made a banner that we hung and everything there's confetti is going to fall from the ceiling as soon as the needle goes in just need a body where is he yeah uh he is asked to be cremated lloyd by the way which they should just go no no do what we want with you we're gonna hang you around use you as a fucking pinata if we feel like it sorry we'll let the fucking uh female prisoners bury you that's it because that's what they

fucking do you know what you know what actually well you know what we'll do when you die everything obviously all your blood turns to stone right we'll just bash you in a bunch of little pieces just drop you in a lake wow he says that she has a actor for the for the fishing derby yeah jesus christ he says that the the circumstances of his of jesus of his execution will deprive him of his two last wishes uh one will be uh he he's going to be put to death in a quote yankee state and he's a southerner so he's mad that the yankee state's going to kill him and he's going to be executed while there's not he wants a democrat to be in the white house while he's executed for some reason i don't know if he's making a statement the democrat or if he just would rather i don't know it's just to make a statement yeah so yeah uh now he explained uh uh you know a little more about he wanted to kill

himself and religion and all that so november 11th 1992 comes around execution day yes execution day last meal jimmy yeah last meal what do you think he got i mean i was like is there fried chicken and okra no there is no food at all his last meal coffee and cigarettes i like this fucking guy i fucking. I fucking like that. I like that. Coffee and cigarettes. I don't need food. What am I going to need food for? That's awesome. Yeah.

He said that he only wants that. He said, quote, what's the point of gobbling down a last meal? If they order one for me, I'd probably give it to one of my visitors here. Just whatever. Problem is, last minute appeal is filed on his behalf. Now you're hungry. Fuck. Now you're hungry and you have to take a shit. you're now you're like shit now i'm i gotta go maybe that's what he wanted

he's like they're gonna clean my shit up when they kill me i'll tell you that much now uh he uh uh it's at this point his sister and his friends came in to visit with him for hours and uh they convinced him to file an appeal. Really? His sister did, yeah. It was his sister that convinced him. So then he went to his attorney and said, okay, file a fucking appeal. They file the appeal, puts the thing on hold.

He claims that the guilty plea was made not knowingly or intelligently. Oh, no. He screamed from the roof. He wore a shirt to court, basically, that said, I killed that cocksucker, Roy Jasper, and I don't fucking feel bad about it. And for the last two years, that's all you've been saying. That's it.

He said his constitutional rights were violated because the trial judge, before accepting the guilty plea, failed to admonish him that his prior convictions could mandate a sentence of natural life imprisonment under this if he was not sentenced to death. life imprisonment under this if he was not sentenced to death so he says uh the state argues that the challenge to the voluntariness of the guilty plea was waived by his failure failure to raise it on direct appeal like he had an appeal and didn't fucking say that uh he also points to the uh he said he didn't murder pendleton in the course of an armed robbery uh which is obviously this man you motherfucker fucker obviously horse shit uh there he also says that he was denied effective assistance of counsel this guy was like what the fuck am i supposed to do with this guy what's he supposed to do knock him out and file appeals for him i'm ineffective because you gave me nothing you don't want me to be effective how am i supposed to be

effective uh he says that the attorney failed to advise him that if that he that if he didn't receive the death penalty, he could be sentenced to life imprisonment as a habitual criminal. And further, that he failed to move to vacate the guilty plea based on the deficiency of the trial court's admonition. So they from before saying you fucked up multiple times. His final argument challenges the constitutionality of Illinois' death penalty statute. He contends the statute's unconstitutional because a certain section allows the sentencer to consider at the second phase of the death penalty hearing aggravating factors apart from the ones specifically described in the statute. It's a technical ticky-tack bullshit. They say, you're fine. Fucking chop-chop.

Stick a needle in this asshole. You're still good to go over there? You still ready? Keep it warm. Keep it running. But all of this ends up having a six year delay. Oh my word. Five and a half year delay.

January 20th, 1998 is finally Execution Day again. So that's how long that all took. So long. Execution Day 2. Execution Boogaloo. Lethal Injection Boogaloo, as we like to say. Last meal. This time he gets specific.

He wants Coca-Cola and unfiltered camels. Wow. That's what he wants. Unfiltered camels and fucking Coca-Cola. That's how you go out right there. I like that. That would be close to what I would get as my last thing. So if they want a filter, it's still gross.

I'm impressed. Yeah. Well, I mean, at this point. Yeah, it doesn't matter. Yeah. He's probably getting his whole life going. You know, I'd really like an unfiltered. You know, they'll kill me.

You know, that health is rough. Those will get me. Those will get me. But now he's like unfiltered you know they'll kill me you know that health is those will get me those will get me now he's like unfiltered camels and coca-cola yeah this time no one came to visit him either oh nobody to talk about him nobody to talk about him at all uh nobody talked to him and talk him out of it well there's he's exhausted as shit now so uh last words here he says quote i've i offer um i offer no excuses for the things i've done or have not done i've been running from myself since i was a small boy in texas and my 44 years have been filled with intense anger and rage i blame no one but myself and i hope my loved ones will forgive me for the sorrow i have caused them if god feels i am worthy of his forgiveness i'll soon be with

my grandparents brother and daughter no you won't uh no and then they stuck the needles in him and he was fucking dead yeah they executed him 44 years old 44 all that mess that's crazy uh but that's not the last he's heard from no in 2012 by the way as he was going up to execution, he also said he's killed other people. He said, he wouldn't say who, but he said he killed at least three people in the last few years over the course of the

country. So, in 2012, basically, this is after they created a, in 2011, Florida created a DNA profile from the blood of Ted Bundy yeah to an attempt to link him to some other murders that were because jesus christ if you look at like how many murders he did but then look at how many people actually were murdered right in that way in the northwest that

weren't it's so many where you're like christ he could have killed 30 more people we don't fucking know could have been insane could have been crazy more people. We don't fucking know. Could have been insane. Could have been crazy. And I think he probably did. So they did this to attempt to find him. But there, where the law profiles of convicted felons can be uploaded into the database and all this sort of shit, they do up taking another thing here for Illinois does this, and they're looking at the blood samples for 12 condemned inmates between 77 and 2000 when there was the moratorium on the death penalty there. And these are all the condemned criminals of Illinois. They made DNA profiles of John Wayne Gacy to see if he killed anybody else and two other people, including Lloyd Wayne Hampton, who was executed. There was a lot of crimes committed outside the state, and they said they want to match

his shit with basically all 50 states. They have to go over and see if there's fine anything. So basically, they think he killed other people. states they have to go over and see if there's fine anything so basically they think he killed other people his uh his dna profile is sitting right next to gacy's on the shelf uh being looked at for other crimes and other murders that he even said he committed so uh that is lloyd wade hampton and lloyd wayne hampton and uh i don't feel too bad for him he He seems like a real asshole. I'm bummed that Jasper got the... He got the shaft. Poor bastard, man.

What a fucking rough end of his life. The poor guy. Jesus, man. First of all, he's a retired janitor. Yeah. So he worked his whole life cleaning up other people's shit, number one. So his job, it's not like he had a glorious life. Yeah.

He worked as a janitor. Maybe he had a happy life or whatever. Then his wife dies. And then his whole fucking life changes. And hiss there's not even that old where the 60s is too young to lose your spouse if you're together and then you say i guess i'll just live in this motel and eat dinty more and sit in my razy boy and and then you this asshole comes and kills you like jesus christ man but this guy's a fucking menace the the the knife around the head thing is a you know that if it wasn't jasper with somebody else oh he would have killed other people there's no doubt he was killing more

people absolutely if jasper would have just not opened the door he'd have killed someone else that day he was just looking right next door probably that's what i mean you probably waited for the next person to come pull in and go into their room and you know knocked on their door so stay out of motels stay out of motels and yeah i think he probably also looked at jasper and saw you know near 70 year old man and said he looks weak i can overtake him that's an easy mark right there i could fucking roll him so uh that is small town murder everybody uh that's a doozy of a case again as we always have doozy of cases here uh and by the way if you like the show come see us at a live show yeah i'm telling you right

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We're going to try to get to. So, you know, we're going to do that. Probably not a lot of dates in the South. Right. Because I've seen my cousin Vinny. And no thank you. That's a documentary to me. Sorry.

I'm sorry. No, I'm not fucking doing that. No. I'm good at cars, James. I'll name the real one. I'll name the real killer. Don't worry. Dude, I'm not fucking doing that. No. I'm good at cars, James. I'll name the real one. Nope. I'll name the real killer. Don't worry.

Dude, I'm telling you, dude. We'll give you full disclosure on this. We're playing Nashville two nights, and they offered us Huntsville, Alabama the night after that. And we went, nah, we're good with Nashville. And they're like, yeah, but you can totally sell that. It's not that far. We went, well, we know.

We're good. We just don't need to go to Huntsville and nothing against huntsville i'm sure it's a fine place but we're like we're good in nashville and then we'll come home it's just it's two shows two nights and then we'll come home so they said well what they kept trying to get us to do it they actually offered to drive us in a limousine from nashville to huntsville, Alabama. And I said, first of all, I will only take that ride. The only way is in the back of an open pickup truck with Jimmy and myself sitting next to each other while someone's dog stares at us and wind blows drool off its face onto our clothing. While we sit on chicken crates.

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I have health insurance guys you understand that i bought a skateboard again so i'm like i can hurt myself now and it's okay like literally i can't tell you how amazing it is so thank you guys rental car because airplane travel is insane yeah and and they don't make flights that are that are possible where we need to go right when we need to be there we have a rental car because of you guys so thank you so much for everything you do for us absolutely jimmy what if they wanted to thank you or yell at you or anything else otherwise how could they do that if you want to tell me uh that i'm spending your money wisely you can go uh to at wisman sucks wh is man sucks on Instagram, and Snapchat. And tell me congratulations on being a good friend driving James so goddamn far,

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Pennsylvania is fucking full of mountains. You're right. It's mostly mountain. As a matter of fact, a lot of hills going through that. You can find me at Jimmy P is funny or just copy and paste my last name from the show description. Don't try to spell it yourself. It's really kind of pointless.

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