Small Town Murder - #142 - Where Is The Head?? in Dickson, Tennessee

Episode Date: October 24, 2019

This week, in Dickson, Tennessee, a local woman, with some problems, from a prominent family, goes missing, at the same time as a local man, from a not so distinguished background is also reported missing. One of them is found, and police suspect that person in the other's disappearance, after some digging into their background. When the other missing person is found, it's a most brutal scene, sending investigators in every direction, looking for body parts & evidence to put away a multiple time violent felon!Along the way, we find out that women had it rough in the 1800's, that maybe it isn't a good idea to store half of everything you own in your pick up truck, and that decapitation & field dressing is rarely a suicide!!Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman New episodes every Thursday! Donate at: patreon.com/crimeinsports or go to paypal.com & use our email: [e-mail] Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder & Crime In Sports! Follow us on... twitter.com/@murdersmall facebook.com/smalltownpod instagram.com/smalltownmurder Also, check out James & Jimmie's other show, Crime In Sports! On iTunes, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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to thank them for coming but it doesn't matter i want a guest list for like rappers from st louis and missouri yeah there's a lot from tech nine and sure come on out nelly there you go come on through nelly you're invited bring Bring your St. Lunatics. No, we don't have a lot of room. So don't bring all of these people. I don't know how many guys. Nelly plus one, you're invited. There might be only one St. Lunatic left.

We don't know. Nelly plus one. I don't know. Bring your mom. I don't know what to tell you, Nelly. But either way, I don't know. You're not going to bring the guy that you wear the band-aid for i'm not sure i don't know what nelly's up to but we're inviting him there he is so uh besides that though gotta

do the disclaimer very quickly this is a comedy show it's a comedy podcast we do have to warn you or there will be jokes yeah that's the thing because it has got all the facts are real the story is 1000 real nothing's made up right for you know comedic purposes but we are going to make jokes we're going to make a lot of jokes at the expense of like a small town or a murderer who we want to make fun of why not make fun of a murderer eat all the shit that's right but we try not to do what we go out of our way not to to do here is to make fun of the victim or the victim's family we try not to do that because we're assholes but we're not scumbags now you're talking that's how it works here.

So we think that makes it okay. And let's make fun of some murders and have some fun. If you don't think true crime and comedy go together, this isn't going to work for you. This isn't for you. This is like if you're, you know, I like blondes and someone's a brunette. You're like, I just don't like brunettes. Well, then you're not going to like us. What are we talking about?

Yeah, we're a brunette. And sorry. Roll out. Sorry. Look, we're just as pretty. But we're not to your taste. And that's fine. We understand that.

So that's fine. Move along. For the rest of you, though, who like a brunette or, you know, who are going on substance, damn it, you guys should stand atop of your cubicle, scream from the exercise, whatever the hell you're doing, and shout, Shut up and give me murder! Let's go on a trip, Jimmy. Wonderful.

What do you say? Let's do this. We're coming from the West Coast. We were all the way in Oregon last week. That craziness out there. What the shit? Everything. Barton Millhouse's ritual killing last week, which was a wild episode.

But this week, we're going to go all the way back to the east. We're going to go to Tennessee. Oh. Down south. Yeah. Where we will be in April. It's been a minute since we've been there. It has, as a matter of fact.

We're going to Dixon, Tennessee. Okay. Dick, son. Yeah. Oh, really? Not D-I-X? No, no, no. An actual dick.

Dick, son. All right. That's it. Dick, son, Tennessee. Son of dick. That's it. North central Son. Tennessee. Son of Dick. North Central Tennessee. This is up there. Little Dick, Tennessee.

This is some rural shit out here. You can get to Nashville pretty quickly, but it's out there, as we'll talk about. It's 45 minutes west of Nashville, where we'll be on April 7th and 8th. Tickets still available for Crime and Sports on April 8th. That's all.

That's all, though. It's almost gone, too. Almost gone. You better hurry. Two hours and 45 minutes to Memphis. Okay. If you want to get murdered. Yeah.

If you look at all the murders from Tennessee, it's just so much. Yeah. I read multiple, multiple murders where people were killed for less than $10. Really? Multiple murder cases where one man was killed for less than ten dollars really multiple murder cases where one man was killed for three dollars wow i'm like killed and left on the street for three dollars and like that's a that's a lot man that's a that's a rough town well west memphis is fucking grimy yeah i mean three bucks is west memphis in arkansas i well i think it is yeah that's a different area but like memphis it's proper here it is uh

three bucks yeah three bucks it makes sense i mean you would leave the house at three bucks and be like well i mean it's just three bucks no one's gonna rob me have you been to beale street is it beale street i think it's beale street memphis you can get a beer for three bucks that well there you go someone got a beer sometimes it's worth it 245 to some murdery beer in memphis and 50 minutes to brentwood, Tennessee, which was episode 90. There you go. The tug closet. Episode 90, October 17th, 2018.

So basically a year ago, exactly, almost here. This is in Dixon County. So Dixon, Dixon County. That was a fucking year ago. That was a year ago, Jimmy. That was a while back. Yeah, doesn't seem like it. Wow.

Time flies when you're not sleeping and doing too many shows. Time flies when you're not sleeping and doing too many shows. Time flies when you fly too much. That's it right there. Zip code 37055. Area code 615. It's about 20 square miles, so it's a big area. It's pretty rural.

There's big properties. There's farms and things like that here. They don't even – they're not even creative with the motto. So I didn't make one up either because they chose to just they chose they mailed it in so did you yeah this is what they did a great place to live work and play which is from everywhere they just stole it so a shit town listen for banjos you're gonna get raped in the woods blah blah blah there that's my motto i didn't i put as much effort into it as they did. You know what I mean? That's it.

Watch out. Watch out for man-on-man fucking woods action. Other than that, I don't know what to tell you. So, history of this town. That's as hacky as a great place to be from. That's what I mean. Yeah, great place to live, work, and play. They just took that from some community center's outside sign, and they're like, we'll use

that for our town. We don't have to pay one of them firms to come up with something thanks ymca thanks thank you they just googled town mottos and they're like i like this one hey tom look at this one oh work and play they added play in there i think that's good people know they can do things it's number one so we should take it right i think we should yeah so uh this it was named for congressman william dixon who was pretty boring i looked him up he was a boy he was a congressman in like the early 1800s oh my god real boring shit and like he was like a physician from nashville a doctor very boring yeah very very boring here uh it was the this it was created

in 1803 the county it was the 25th of 95 counties that they created in tennessee and william dixon was a nashville physician who was serving in the congress well congress back then it would be like a prominent guy from the town would be the few dudes with some money that's all it was yeah the prominent guy who everybody was like oh he should he seems to know people. I trust him. Look at that. Look at how he wears a suit. He knows where my liver is. Yeah, he's got a pocket square.

I don't have a pocket square, so I'm going to let him do it. The guy with the pocket square gets to go to Washington, I feel like, back in the day. He picked meat out of his teeth after his meal. Clearly, we trust him. That's class. Yeah. That's pure. He did it right at the table too to

show us how classy he was he showed us how classy he was he did it right at the table i like that he even like spit it out that's the thing he's like right into the right into the bread dish he said i don't need this i mean he could have swallowed it but that would have been like hey i want the extra nutrition but he said i'm fine i'll get more food later i'm full i'm full i'll get more later i don't need to save it for later he could have put in his cheek like a chipmunk for later but he didn't that's the important thing you know what i mean so uh yeah dixon uh is was a close friend of president andrew jackson all right he's a i'm sure a very nice man i'm sure he's fantastic yeah obviously we're he's a physician for for you know for yeah he's a physician for some of the population i'll say for some people for some people some welcome so the uh a general some walk-ins welcome welcome welcome this is the racially well area yes racially well check this is the racially well

check here oh no that's the we just never go into the racially not well area we just those people die in there that's how we would do it awful oh that's so funny so uh jesus terrible people so generals that we have no idea if that's true but it probably was though pretty good assumption andrew jackson andrew jackson was kind of a mean dick so there's no there's that's not really subjective right it's pretty objective and you know he may have been a great guy it's just he happened to be white so andrew jackson liked him i'm friends with assholes right i'm i'm sure i'm friends with assholes right i'm i'm sure i'm friends with terrible people before i mean i've known a lot of terrible people one he's sitting

next to one every week of us are great that's uh general james robertson built the first ironworks in west tennessee in dixon county here and then he sold his furnace selling off the furnace jimmy i'm moving on to uh montgomery bell who became one of the state's big capitalists and industrialists and one of the wealthiest people in the area here. That's a man's name? That's Montgomery Bell, which sounds like a phone company. Sounds like a ship. Yeah, the Montgomery Bell.

It's a very large ship. That's amazing. There was a 250, there's a place called the Ruskin Colony is what it was. It was a 250-member utopian socialist cooperative. So basically, picture late 60s farm hippies living in cooperative-type situations, except in the 1800s. Wow. So with less plumbing. Yeah.

Even less plumbing. Somehow smellier. Even stinkier and hairier. Oh, boy. The hair and the stink coming from here. plumbing yeah even less plumbing somehow smelly even stinkier and hairier oh boy the hair oh my god coming from here uh it's very humid there too this isn't you know northern california no this is some humid you know it's horrible pungent yeah you know your taint is going to be rotten after three weeks in a place like this the smell is chewy it's going to be bad. Yeah. Yeah. It was around this area in Dixon County, but there was an internal conflict, and that brought a disillusion of the colony by 1899.

So people fight when they try to. Utopia brings fighting. Your version of perfect and someone else's version of perfect might not be exactly perfect. Usually vastly different. And if you're going for utopiaopia that means it has to be perfect so that would have to mean it would be perfect to everybody and there's never going to be a group of people who agree on every little detail to be perfect so you're you can only build a utopian society with yourself right and maybe like your dog yeah your dog will go along with your bullshit they'll do it no one else will care but your dog

will be like whatever either a dog or a dumber species he's got food yeah something dumber than that something that requires a cat will ditch you oh what i'm getting yeah they're not putting up with this bullshit this is perfect this is fuck you i don't think so this is not a good place to lick my ass i'm gonna go somewhere else so they they started uh uh the the newspaper was relocated here. A communist socialist communist news communalist, not communist newspaper, which was espousing this utopian type of society here called the coming nation was there. And that was moved. There was another one that became appealed to reason, which is known for politics that gave support to the Farmers' Alliance and People's Party, and then that became kind of folded into the Socialist Party

of America. So there's a lot of that comes from this area, which is weird. You wouldn't think of that sort of thing in Tennessee. But, yeah, who knows. In 1917, they had a big meeting at the Alamo Theater in Dixon to raise $760. That's what they needed? They needed $760. That's what they needed?

They needed $760. This is the equivalent of about $25,000 now. To pay for the surveying of the Bristol to Memphis Highway to go through Dixon County. And the money was raised in less than 15 minutes. People threw money into a hat and state highway

surveyors did it and they built the highway here. It's Route 70 or Highway 70 and they call it Broadway of America, which is really not true. There's no Broadway. This is through the fucking mountains and the woods of Tennessee. If you've ever been there, there's

nothing Broadway about that shit. Ooh, look at that gas station shine off to the side. Look at that man's tooth sparkle. Just the one. Now, notable people from this town. Luke Perry is apparently from here. Really?

Yeah. Old Dylan. He's dead. He's dead and from here, apparently. I'd say we could ask him, but it's not going to work. No. But I have two resident reviews of the place. Okay.

They didn't seem to like it very much no here's one uh quote been here a bit less than a year but a lot of uneducated people here a lot of ignorance and general lack of caring for people around them i can't say it is my favorite place i've ever lived but the cost of living is not terrible which is a plus yeah it's cheap it's cheap we'll put up with a lot that's what by the way if you've ever been to omaha i knew it was just get out of the car walk up to a person and go why do you live here they go it's pretty cheap every i asked 50 people because it became a pattern of what do you like about this yes 400 at once exactly but i mean like individually it became a pattern like

uber drivers like do you like it here and they'd be like it's pretty it's cheap but i mean like individually it became a pattern like uber drivers like do you like it here and they'd be like it's pretty it's cheap and we're like that's weird it was the same answer from everybody so then it had to became a thing and no one said i like this i like that it's pretty the weather's nice it's there's good people it's nice culture it's pretty cheap to live here okay well that's not enough no you. You can move. There's cheaper places. Why don't you move there? They're even worse. Yeah.

You know, you can move to the middle of Mississippi somewhere. It doesn't cost anything to live there. Why is it cheap, James? Because it's fucking terrible. That's why. That's why it's cheap. It's cheap because nobody wants it. Nobody wants it.

It's God-forsaken land. We don't need it or want it. Think about something expensive. It's because everybody wants it. That's what I mean. That's why it's expensive. What's expensive? Shit by the ocean.

Why? Because people like the ocean. People don't want to look at a dusty plane. Some people do. And you know it's not. And they can get a good deal. You could take that for any product that exists anywhere. Why is it expensive?

Because people want it. That's it right there. Why is the cheap shit cheap because nobody fucking wants no i don't want to live somewhere where it's like where's the water well never mind that's too far there's a reason it's really easy to buy a fiat yeah and we live in the desert right that's why it's pretty cheap to live here that's the point nobody wants nobody wants it so trust me we understand why you're there. I found another one, another review. Actually, it's three reviews here.

This is the first one. And then here's two by the same person. One they added later, which is pretty funny. Quote, because of the corruption, there are not any neighborhood watch groups. And if the police feel as though you're a threat, they will terrorize you. That's one. And then the next one, again, due to the corruption in the area, one does not know who to trust. One star.

What? I don't know. It's very fucking vague. There's some real vague. Open up, please. I'm scared to death. There's some real vague,

real, uh, uh, some, you can't even trust the cops here. No, there's one does not. This one is just one does not know who to trust.

That's all I need to say. Jesus. Real dark, weird shit here. This one, he says, one does not know who to trust. That's all I need to say. Jesus. Real dark, weird shit here. Now, people in this town, in about 1900, there was 1300 people here. And as of right now, there is 15,128 people here. Yeah. Up 72% since 1990. It is crushing.

It's crushing. Well, I think it's because it's within an hour of nashville right so i think nashville is crazy right nashville's really swelling so this i think this is people just moving out to a cheaper suburb you've heard that they call it nash vegas right i know that is a thing i'm happy that i haven't heard that because you know what no fuck vegas too no fuck vegas but nashville you have about 30 steps to go till you get to vegas to be that awful sorry they call it that because because both sides of that strip broadway have the same thing on either side of the fucking road and if you ask anybody what is there to do they

all have the same answer y'all like hot chicken if that's your attraction hot chicken? If that's your attraction, hot chicken and fucking country open mics. Sorry, that's not Vegas or anything else. You have, I don't even know. You have Bloomington, Iowa or Idaho, wherever the fuck it is. Indiana. Where the fuck is Bloomington? Indiana. You're Bloomington, Indiana.

The fuck is Bloomington? With more country open mics and way more hot chicken. Speaking of that, April 8th will be in Nashville at Zany's with Crime and Sports. Be there. We love doing shows in Nashville, but don't try to act like you're a good city. Just don't. Sorry. And also, Vegas is not a good city.

That place is horrible. No, it's terrible. Vegas is awful. It is an armpit and disgusting. Any place where everybody's opinion of it is like, it's not bad for the first 36 hours and then you want to kill yourself that's not a good city a weekend will test you it will try your fucking depression you will you will want to off yourself absolutely it's the worst the the uh what was the nicholas cage where he goes to vegas to drink himself to death who's the one with him and elizabeth shoe and he goes oh i didn't see it he won a goddamn academy award i

didn't see it i don't remember it's got las vegas in the title i believe but he's uh yeah he goes to vegas to hang out with a prostitute and drink himself to death oh it was a big sounds great 96 ish i think yeah he's depressed he's a great time. About 54% females in this town, which is odd because the ages aren't that off. Normally, that's always a lot of old people with that many females. There's more kids and more old people, and it balances out to an average median age like the rest of the country, about 37 years old. Married population's a lot lower. It's about 42%.

Normally, it's about 50-50. So, I don't know why. That's a lot lower. It's about 42%. Normally, it's about 50-50. So I don't know why. That's a strange fact. Also, more single people with children than normal. 25% of people are single with children and more single with no children. So just more single people in general in both capacity. Race of this town. It's about 84% white.

So it's pretty white for Tennessee. 6.2% black 0.7 percent asian you almost made it almost got to one percent here uh 5.7 percent hispanic so not well under the average of 17 so pretty white uh normally religion it's 50 50 whether they're religious here 43 religious yeah not what you expected that's why i think you're getting a lot of Nashville suburb move-in people. Commuters. Yeah. People who move to Nashville from somewhere else and commute from here.

That's what I'm feeling a lot of that. But about 18% Baptist, because as we know, Baptists are the Catholics of the South, obviously. Some Catholics, a couple, not many. Some Methodists and pentecostals and all that good shit mixed in here uh 0.0 percent jewish though interesting not fucking around with this town uh 0.0 percent muslim as well uh last election this county it's a conservative kind of rural county here 25 percent uh democrat and 71 percent republican in the last election so pretty landslidey uh unemployment rates about average it's a little under four except the household income is much

less normally it's almost 58 000 in the rest of the country here it is 40 000 oh no that's low yeah 38 of the people make under 30 grand a year how that's rough that's a high yeah that's a lot of people that's almost yeah 38 make under 30 grand a year so it's it's that kind of place where it's there's certain people that i feel like there's people that have lived there for a long time that don't have a lot of money and then there's people who have just moved there who have good jobs in nashville it's probably too want to hang on to their money yeah i feel like there's two sides to this town it's one of those side like that's the other side of the tracks kind of thing and then we have the new neighborhoods that they've built that are less shitty possibly that's just what i'm gleaning

from everything i read uh jobs in this town it's there's a few more manufacturing jobs than normal a couple more so social services health care type of things for the old people that are there. But otherwise, it's pretty average. Cost of living, the average is $100, regular. Here, $100. Right in there. Right on the money of cost of living. Housing's a little bit low, $84 housing. The median home cost here, $171,500.

Still a lot of money. It's still high, but for the rest of the country, it's $231,000. Yeah, but for somebody making under $30,000, that's a motherfucker. That's going to be tough. Yeah, it's $231,000. Yeah, but for somebody making under $30,000, that's a motherfucker. That's going to be tough. Yeah, that's going to be brutal here. And a lot of the houses, there are houses, about 30% of them are between $100,000 and $150,000. So you can get kind of a lower-priced house. And if you're looking for one, I may have found it for you. Oh, great.

Because I have for you the Dixon, Tennessee Real Estate Report. report. Your average two-bedroom rental here is about $920, so that's under the average. Well under. It's about $1,250, I think, normally. Here, I found a three-bedroom, one-bath, 1,300-square-foot home that needs some work.

If you know what you're doing and can put a little elbow grease into it, you can pull this one off. $90,000. If you're looking for a value home here. If you want to just pitch a tent, I found a 5.9 acre lot. Its address is Zero Turkey Creek Road,

which is awesome. That's the only reason why I had to include this. Zero Turkey Creek Road. $34,999. Fucking zero. Zero Turkey Creek Road. $34,999. Fucking zero. Zero Turkey Creek, baby. I found a three-bedroom, two-bath, 1,680-foot nice kind of family house. $209,900.

Yeah. That's like a nice little suburban family house. And then you want to stretch your shit out. Hell yeah. I found a four-bedroom, four-bath, 2,650 square foot nice brick house with a big yard, nice neighborhood. $387,900.

Yes, not bad. But zero Turkey Creek Road. I can't get enough of that address. I really want that address. It's only $35,000. $34,999. How many acres? 5.9 acres of woods.

God damn it. Six acres of ticks and chiggers as far as the eye can see. Deer flies. Snakes and all sorts of terrible things live in there. Like a mosquito. It's all yours for $35,000. You're going to need an off candle for sure. You're going to need to douse yourself in deep woods off.

You're going to need to just get a hose and have someone. Do they deep woods a candle? Because you're going to need it. I feel like you just get the spray, like a spray tan machine. like a spray tan machine you fill it with deep woods off just have someone coat you down what you do you get that spray that sprayer and then you get a bick lighter and then you fucking just light that in front of you with a shield of flame that's not a bad idea i like that deep woods off flamethrower that's something you're gonna need a mad flammable i'm telling you now things to do here i found uh old timers day oh oh boy uh now old timers day i'll read right from their website here old timers day was established to honor old timers within our

community and old timers is in quotes for some reason i don't know why old timers within our capitalized and within quotes is it because it's for people that uh don't know how to pronounce alzheimer's maybe all of our old timers who don't know where that they won't remember it but they're gonna have a good time the festival remains to be one of the few quote old time again in quotes festivals not only in tennessee but throughout the entire southwest region southeast sorry region for the wonderful 59th, the city of Dixon and Dixon County Chamber of Commerce are partnering to provide a series of musical events, various, quote, old time games. I don't know why that's quote.

Kids Corner and the Robert Spicer Memorial Buck Dance Competition. Buck Dance. Buck Dance. Now, the Robert Spicer Memorial Buck is all capitalized and then dance competition isn't so i don't know memorial buck memorial the robert spicer memorial buck dance i don't know what that is don't do i am robert's clearly not with us anymore he's gone as fuck let's break it down yeah robert's gone okay he's he's no part of this but robert spicer was apparently somebody very important we gave buck dancing community.

What is a buck dance? A buck dance. I don't know. You all put horns on and dance? I don't know what that is, but I don't want to see it. There's also a quilt show, which is, there will be a quilt show, which includes observing ladies dressed in period, performing their version of old-fashioned quilting. In period.

Yeah, that's a theatrical term. Plenty of jokes. Yeah, plenty of jokes there. Living history demonstrators dressed in a period providing a Civil War demonstration with a replica of a Civil War camp. Okay. It's so hard to just not say anything about that. Other living history demonstrators will also be in period dress. At least they put dress there.

I just pictured a thick burlap one that I put. I'm just going to wear this dress. Here's my period dress. Hey, we held out until the third paragraph of period references before we made a joke. So you know what? Eat dicks. period references before we made a joke so you know what eat dicks and you know if for all outfits uh a dress is the most appropriate for your period that's right uh i guess i don't know it feels like it'd be the cleanest i don't even know where to start i don't know that seems the

most sanitary possibly uh they're gonna be weaving baskets jimmy all right uh doing laundry by hand okay let's watch the ladies do laundry by hand while they got their periods that's what people are gonna say oh she's washing it look up well i think that stain might come out now oh there it goes all right who's watching that uh making candles brooms and walking sticks and much more stressing the importance of preserving our history. The parade will be filled with floats, horse-drawn wagons, and much more for your enjoyment. The day will be filled for your family's complete enjoyment. That's the two sentences, and an enjoyment.

This is a terrible website. Everything for old-timers. And 14 mentions of the word period. Not great. But we still don't know what an old-timer is. No. But whatever. And they don't know what an old timer is but whatever and they don't get it they don't understand that you can't say period that much that's so many periods

you can say they'll be in period dress one time and we'll go oh and that's it but if you say in every sentence eventually there's going to be jokes too much we just can't now crime rate in this town what we're interested in here. Property crime. This is wild. Property crime more than double the average. More than double national average. That is as high as we've seen. And then violent crime, murder, rape, robbery, and of course, assault.

How can you forget assault, Jimmy? The Mount Rushmore of crime, double the national average. What the shit is going on in this town? It's dangerous. These old timers will cut you. They will cut a bitch. I'll tell you that right now. They're still getting their period.

That's right. You see this dress? Makes me angry. I'm going to cut you. When I'm wearing this dress, it's a bad day. It's a bad day. Watch out. Whipping out a switchblade.

Let's talk about a murder. All right. What do you say here? Let's get down to some murdery business. All right. What we're here for, honestly. Let's talk about a murder. All right. What do you say here? Let's get down to some murdery business. All right. What we're here for, honestly. Let's do this. Let's go back in time a bit in Dixon.

We're going to go back to October 1st, 1995. Not too far back, but almost 25 years now. 24 years. 24 years of that. Jesus. Seems like a lot, a lot of times. Go back in time. Pulp Fiction was out for like a year at this point times we'll go back in time and pulp fiction was out

for like a year at this point so long yeah think about this the the you know i think kurt cobain was just dead or barely alive yeah almost i mean this is the time period we're in here so this is uh doesn't seem like that biggie and bone are putting songs together oh yeah no biggie's still he's alive and kicking yeah he's doing mixtape shit bones still matter oh second album hadn't even come out yet for biggie he's he's doing great uh i understand that anybody who's paid attention to the media would have to come to the conclusion that i killed my wife hi my name is zach stewart pontier i'm one of the filmmakers behind the jinx and i'm excited to bring you the official jinx podcast we'll be revisiting all six episodes of part one and watching along with part two as it airs on max

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wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts you can listen to episodes early and ad free by joining wondery plus and the wondery app or on apple podcasts so we're going back to then october 1st 1995 let's talk about a lady let's talk about virginia jackson but uh never mind virginia we'll call her jen Everybody calls her Jenny, which I would think Virginia would be Jenny, but everybody calls her Jenny. Well, it is the South. Maybe she likes, but usually they'd call Jenny

Jenny, because they call pens pins. Yeah. I mean, that ink pen. You're like, what the fuck is an ink pen? I don't know what an ink pen is. It's a rat with. Oh, a pen! That's an E in that word. That's why I messed it up. Yeah.

So Jenny Jackson here. Jenny Jackson, she's 43 years old in 1995. And she is, we'll talk about this. She goes missing. Her family files a missing person report for her on october 1st 1995 and uh with law enforcement they didn't hear from her for a few days jenny's had some jenny's kind of an alcoholic um so she will she will she will wander that's the thing so if she takes off for a couple days this is an automatic let's call the national guard here it's uh oh boy

is you know let's hope jenny Jenny's not asleep in a ditch somewhere. That's kind of where their family's at. Well, let's hope she is. She's got a teenage daughter who says she's kind of rough at times with Jenny, which we'll talk about here. But they file a missing persons report. And before this, October 1st, 1995, is the missing persons report. The day before, Jackson's brother-in-law saw a pile of clothing lying along a farm road that leads to her house eventually, to Jenny's house. And he didn't connect anything to it because on this farm road, some of the local residents dump garbage there because that's where you want to dump your garbage along the farm road

if you live around there so he thought he thought maybe somebody just dumped some garbage there and whatever so who period dress i think it was a burlap period dress uh with a full basket weaving set up next to it so it should have given it away exactly who it is uh it's from the old timers day but uh who is jenny let's figure out who jenny is here jenny is a she's from the old-timers day. But who is Jenny? Let's figure out who Jenny is here. Jenny is a, she's 43 years old, like I said. Her family is a prominent family. She is from a wealthy and respected family.

The Jacksons. We'll get into it. The Jacksons. The non-singing Jacksons who don't have children buried under their home like the actual Jacksons. Ope, I gave it away. Gotta listen to Crime and Sports to find out about the Jacksons. But revelations in that family in Crime and Sports. We found them. So Jackson, she has six brothers and sisters.

Oh, my. It's a big family, but not a big family in a way of, oh, they're all over the place. They can't take care of them. It's a big family in terms of, I'd like heirs to carry out my name and my, you know, it's that kind of big family. Like, well, we have this big house and all this money. We should have more children. With all this room, we need to fill it with bodies. With more and more and more children.

So she's born to her parents are Margaret Phillips Jackson and Dr. William M. Jackson. Her dad's a doctor. Her father was killed in 1981 in a car accident. Yeah. So she was she was an adult at that point, but barely. She was in her late teens. He was one of

three physician brothers who founded the Goodlark Hospital in 1958. So the hospital, which turned into a regional medical center, sold earlier in 1995 for $103 million. Oh, they are crushing. So they're very wealthy people.

They live on a, and they were wealthy before that, just from all the business. Just from doctoring. From doctoring and from owning this hospital and all that sort of thing. So now they're really wealthy. So a bunch of her cousins and other relatives of hers work at the hospital.

At that point, it was later on renamed Horizon Medical Center there. Her brother, Andy, works at the county's hospital at that point that was later on renamed horizon medical center there her brother andy uh works at the county's juvenile and probate court as a judge so he's a judge these people are doctors and administrators in a hospital jenny went to cosmetology school hell yeah uh yeah but her cousin of hers said she didn't work very long though doing that maybe that's because she's very rich and it's probably hard to focus right when you have a giant trust fund it might be hard to focus on what some fucking lady wants her you know on her eyes yeah but also i mean what shade of shit she wants on her eyes the interesting part is just that she's just she's doing cosmetology

school which sounds lazy but it's really not oh it's not lazy god it's such a hard fucking thing yeah oh absolutely in terms of uh comparing that to judge life like it's a much easier uh transition much easier path to it yeah there's no law school and then doing this for a long time and doing that it's just interesting that she's the she's probably the black sheep and doesn't have as much motivation to be uh a world changer and that's the other thing, too. She's got some issues with alcohol and with things like that. But everyone says how nice she is. She's a very nice person. She is divorced.

She has a 20-year-old daughter at this point and a 16-year-old son. And she's trying, but she's not. A lot of people do. They struggle. Everybody struggles. It's a hard thing. She's trying, but she's not, you know, a lot of people do. They struggle. Everybody struggles. It's a hard thing. And if you have a problem with alcohol, too, you're trying to be also, too.

She's trying not to embarrass her family all the time and that sort of thing here. Everybody or the main thing everyone says about her over and over is one person here. Mary Buckner says, quote, she was, quote, very pretty, very lovable, very outgoing. So everybody kind of says about her. Her friend, Lisa, said that she, quote, never met a stranger. She always thought everybody was okay and everybody was her friend, which is nice, but dangerous also in this world. Yeah, in this world, it's very dangerous. you know, a very friendly nature where you're willing to talk to anybody and anybody's your friend

mixed with being an alcoholic is a dangerous mix. You could end up in places that are dangerous with dangerous people. So October 18th, her brother-in-law says, it just pops back in his head. He goes, I have a pile of clothes on the side. I just, I don't know, man.

Maybe that's something. I'm just going to tell the cops cause they still haven't found Jenny yet. This is, you know, the first to October 18th. We're talking almost three weeks. Right.

Then he said, I don't know, man. I mean something that could be something. So he reports that to law enforcement and says, you know, that's what I found. Um,

I don't know if it means anything, but maybe you guys want, maybe y'all want to look into it. Right. I would say now on October 18th and 19th law enforcement officials go and investigate the area by the found clothes and uh kind of deeper into the woods and trying to find things and they find some items they find uh they find hair clips multi-colored hair clips that match the hair clips that jenny was seen always seen wearing and that she was seen wearing the last time she was seen she has these multiple colored hair clips in her

hair a cell phone which it's 1995 so i'll let you know that she must have somebody had some cash she has some cash because i didn't even i was you know teenager but i wouldn't know a cell phone was like what do you have to be the pope to have a cell phone four years later that's what i mean yeah it took 99 ish for me to have one too yeah i had a pager in 1995 that was i sure did that was fine that was not 10 bucks sideways yeah no it was a sideways one it wasn't a top reader we're not fucking riffraff here monster no i'm not a muslim motorola that you read on the thing and you can type words into it so dope yeah it was that was hot shit it was kind of a big deal it's on the thing and you could type words into it. So dope. Yeah, it was hot shit. It was kind of a big deal.

It was kind of cool when you were a teenager. Putting your pocket inside. Multiple rings. That's right. Not just ring or vibrate. Oh, no, no, no. You have- Oh, I've got like nine different rings.

And the different ones that you could set for different people. Oh, yes. So you'd be like, oh, it's two longs and a short. Right. Like I've got some Morse code shit going on here. Clearly that's a booty call. Must be my mom. I gotta run.

I got some Morse code shit going on here. Clearly, that's a booty call. Must be my mom. I got to run. So, yeah, they find hair clips and a cell phone, which are personal items. Expensive cell phone and clips that are in your hair for them to not be on your body is weird. A pair of panties, a pillow, a sweatshirt, and a sock. It it's a weird bunch to be together it's a weird bunch of shit to be together don't throw that group of things out the window as they're driving down the road that's the thing well i don't i want i want one sock so i'm gonna

keep that but i'll throw this sock and i hate my phone and i don't want my underwear on anymore so uncomfortable and i'm a little hot for this sweatshirt so all that's going out the window and i'm putting my hair down there we go put this pillow down take a nice nap nope i don't want that either throw that out the window so i don't know what's going on so she's missing they find some things in a farm road that leads to her house so they're a little bit worried obviously and wondering why would she have thrown these things out so it's at this point that they realize there's another missing person as well, reported missing around the same time. This is a man named Jerry Ray Davidson.

Yeah. And he is born on June 12th, 1943. Share a birthday with this guy. He is. So he's 50, 52 years old at this point in time. He lives with his mother, Aileen. She's 52 and he lives with his mother. That's a problem.

That's a problem. Especially we'll find out he doesn't like she's not like you know disabled or anything helping him or she he's not helping her it's not like she's like well she can't go to the bathroom on her own so he's a nice boy who helps her he just hangs out there and also the other opposite way you know yeah he doesn't need her to get by either oh i think he does oh yeah yeah it seems like he does so no but i mean like he's not disabled also no no no no no no neither of them no that's got both his eyes yeah no he's yeah it isn't like he's you know oh he had an accident when he was younger and he's never been able to go out on his own or anything like that no he's perfectly fine able-bodied he's just a disaster a little bit we'll talk about him uh he on the 25th of september he failed to come home uh this is

this is around the last time that jenny was seen as well it was the 25th or 26th of september that her family saw her when they reported her missing now his mother aileen became worried after a few days and filed a missing person report with the cops so the same thing as as jenny here uh but october 8th 1995 jerry uh jerry ray davidson he is he phoned his mom and told her that he was going to stop by the house he didn't know there was a missing persons you know report out on him and stuff he told his mother that some creditors might be calling on him and uh he might owe a few bucks and they're kind of trying to track him down so he was going to lay low for a little while and chill out and avoid these creditors uh he said he's all right but he's in knoxville and you know he's avoiding these people because he owes big money jimmy you

have no idea the kind of money he owes you somebody fronted him a 12 pack of paps and he's got a he's very on the line for it a 200 fuel card maxed out yeah i don't know where he's gonna whatever so he's in knoxville he's all right mom i'm cool uh he so uh he stopped by the house before he you know about a week later and she his mom aileen gave her him some money and he also retrieved some clothes and got the camper top for his red pickup truck he's got a red pickup truck wanted to put the cap on the back of it there so who the hell is jerry ray davidson uh he is sort of the opposite of jenny she comes from a prominent family with a good background his background is shit it's a pickup truck camper that's his background his familiar familiar familial background is

whatever it's average but his actual personal history and background is a huge steaming pile of donkey shit um he's an asshole yeah let's talk about this on december 6th 1969 uh he sexually assaulted a uh an underage girl at that point. In January of 1971, he was found guilty of assault and battery with intent to rape. He was sentenced to serve 10 years in prison, but he escaped from prison on September 12th, 1971. Okay. Escaped from prison.

Now, after he's captured from the escape, he pleads guilty and was sentenced to serve one year along with his existing sentence. But later on that year, he or while he was out in 19 or before, I'm sorry, before he was sentenced, January 1971, he sentenced right before he sentenced he's sentenced, January 21st, 1971, he encounters a guy named Charles Hutton. Okay, let's talk about Charles Hutton and Jerry Ray Davidson. Hutton, Charles Hutton, graduated from Cumberland City High School, and he got a job at a plant locally. And he was, you know, back then, 1971, he graduated high school,

he got a job at the local plant. Hey, you're set. Doing all right. That's it. You can go get yourself a little house and a car and get married and have some kids, and that's America. That ought to do it. There you go.

That ought to do it. Next thing you know, you're Daniel Stern's voice in the end of Wonder Years. It's fine. I love it. It's good shit. So he gets that. He gets a new car, buys a new car, and he has a date with a girl that he's been seeing for a while. So graduates, gets a job, gets a new car, wants to show his new car off to his girl that he's been seeing a little bit on the side and blah, blah, blah.

It seems like a nice thing. So they were from Stewart County, and they left to head south to a cafe. And they left to head south to a cafe. Now, after dinner, after they ate dinner, his new car didn't work. Which, that 1971 American car. Yay. So that didn't work. So he had trouble with his car.

This is pre, you know, he couldn't just put in roadside assistance and be like, will you get over here quickly? I don't know where I am. Look at the fucking GPS. And then hang up. This is before that. Right. You had to walk somewhere and figure some shit out at this point on your own. This is an ordeal.

This is a thing. Oh, you're fucked. Your whole night is this now. That's it. That's it. What's that payphone? Three miles away? Well, I got to get there. How are we going to get this thing that doesn't move back to my house?

How are we going to get there? And make it move in the morning. That's what I mean. And then put put it somewhere else and then how do we get it's a disaster right so uh he had trouble with his car luckily they were still at the restaurant there was only one other customer uh in the restaurant at the time and that was jerry ray davidson so he said the guy said hey would you mind giving us a ride? My new car broke down and whatever. And the guy said, yeah, what the shit? Why not?

Jerry Ray says, I'll take you home. That's fine. So they got near the farm that the Hutton family lived on. It was a local area farm. And at that point, Hutton says Davidson snapped, the way he put it. He says, quote, Hutton says, says quote we almost got to my parents house in cumberland city and that's when he pulled over and pulled a gun on us which is a huge what the shit yeah uh he said it's like he had a split personality i don't even think he knew what he

wanted to do with us so he just drove that is absolutely terrifying you meet some guy at a diner this is like a horror movie a a straight horror movie, like a young couple. Their car breaks down at a diner. There's one dude sitting there sipping a cup of coffee by himself. And they're like, mister, will you give us a ride? And he's like, I got nowhere to be. Lightning flash. I'll give you a ride.

He's soaking wet and it's not raining. Right. You know what I mean? It's weird. It's just raining around him. One of those things like I'll give you a ride. And they hop in? It's weird. It's just raining around him. One of those things. Like, I'll give you a ride. And they hop in and it's dark. And it's almost one of those things where you would think like it's going to be scary.

But then he's like, you know, pulls up and does something extra for you. He's like, I figured you'd want to, you know, pull you right up to the house so you wouldn't get wet in the rain. Umbrella. You know, like he's extra friendly. And if it was a comedy movie. But in a horror movie, you know, you'd see that. He's got some with the umbrella. Yeah. You'd see the sword would pop out again you'd see like umbrella goes through them and then he opens the umbrella and leans them on the handle yeah

right they'd have that shot of where it's the dark and they're in the woods and you just see the the light from the gauges yeah you know like the instrument panel light on his face barely you know one of those glows it's one of those deals here the engine light on his face, barely, you know, one of those glows. It's one of those deals here. Put the engine light on. Yeah, dude, this is not okay. So he takes them, he forces, he goes off the road, drives off the road. Davidson forces Hutton and his girlfriend to walk through the woods to an abandoned barn. What the hell is happening? We've been here a couple times on small town murder whenever

there's an abandoned barn makes an appearance and you're walking there at gunpoint it's always bad news a gunpoint barn walk oh boy no one's ever taken you to festively look at a barn at gunpoint no one's ever said i got a great new barn come on let's go look at it i said now motherfucker this has never happened ever okay I'm sure it's great. I've never had anyone just excitedly pull it down. Look at the rails. There's no fucking termites. Look at how much hay I have.

I don't know. Not a termite to be seen. Yes, but plenty of hay. So they get to the barn. He ties them up with rope that had held together bales of hay. So he cuts off the bales here. And they're in the dark here. Okay.

He ties them together. Oh, boy. Okay. Ties them together in the dark. And it's at this point that Davidson now sexually assaults his girlfriend. So he says it's pitch black. He can't see anything. And he can feel his girlfriend. So he says it's pitch black. He can't see anything. And he can feel his girlfriend being raped.

He can feel and hear while he struggles and everything else while he rapes his girlfriend, which is crazy. He says Hutton later on would say, quote, I still feel guilt over it, but I couldn't do anything to stop it. I just thought, why? Why did I ask him for help?

He said that he was begging and pleading for his life. He said, quote, I just knew my last hours would be spent there. So Davidson told him to shut up and then left with the young woman. Oh, Jesus. Which, again, fucking terrifying. Oh, my God. Terrifying. Leaves with her and tells him, quote, I'll be back for you.

Pitch black barn in the middle of nowhere. So I don't even know who's more frightened for who or who's more scared of what. So this is crazy. So he said that he was obviously scared that he would be shot or stabbed or murdered in some way, shape, or form. He strains and finally gets out of his restraints and actually cut up his wrists really bad in the process. You're supposed to. You do what you got to do to get out of that situation. What's your face with, sir?

You're supposed to lose a hand if you have to. To quote the RZA, I chewed my fucking arm off and made an escape. There you go. So you do. So you got to do what you got to do here. Let's go, you sumbitch. Let's do it.

That one guy was trapped in the mountains or whatever. He cut some limb off. You cut it off. You cut some limb off. You cut it off. You cut some shit off. You be a fucking man. And then he untied his ankles from there. He fled the barn. And, of course, he's tripping and falling.

And he's going through the pitch black woods. He doesn't even know where he is. He was brought here at gunpoint in the pitch black. In the horror movie, he runs through the woods and then the guy's there. He runs right into the guy. Yeah, just standing there with a glow that comes from somewhere. But he's standing there just calmly waiting for him. He runs into the guy. Yeah. Just standing there with a glow that comes from somewhere. But he's standing there just calmly waiting for the only. He runs into the into the knife.

He doesn't even have to stab him. No, no. And then he stands, pops out from behind a tree. Here I am. That's what happened. So he says, quote, I didn't know which way to go in that county, but I just started running and running through the woods until daylight. Oh, my God. He just ran all night. How many hours through the woods? I'm just going running and running through the woods until daylight. Oh, my God. I just ran all night.

So many hours. Through the woods. I'm just going. Animals and everything else. Worried what's going on with my girlfriend. Is she dead? That's what's in your head the whole time. The whole time.

And then am I going to die, too? Who cares about animals? Am I going to die before I even tell anybody about this? I don't even care. Well, it doesn't matter. If you die and no one finds out about where she is, you're not going to help her any. So you've got to get out of here to help her.

That's the point. But the agony. Yeah. You're in a situation where if you don't find some fucking help, she's definitely going to be dead. Yeah. Either way. Yeah.

Either from him or exposure or something. Is she dead yet? Yeah. If I die, then she certainly will be. That's the thing. And it was, this is December or this is December. I said January before, but it's December. I meant. Uh, so it's cold. He said January before, but it's December, I meant.

So it's cold. He said he didn't have on his coat. And he was scared that he would catch up to him. He was like, I thought he was going to catch up to me. He said, I just kept running as fast as I could all night. Eventually, he found a house light on. And it was a family, actually, that took him in, gave him blankets and shit like that and put him next to the fireplace and uh called his parents and his parents arrived and uh and then they went by the way no police yet no this is this why wasn't that the first call i don't know

they call his parents his parents come and then they go over to his date's house to tell her parents that she's gone. Cops. Call the police. What is happening? Let them do all this shit. You can do it, too. But let the cops get a head start on what's going on. So they said they all thought she was dead.

They called the cops from there. They all thought she was dead. Turns out, though, she was actually his davidson's car runs out of gas and he flags down a passing car when he does that and uh she was rescued from a gas station she took off when somebody came in the car she uh took off which led davidson to take off and lead authorities on a three-state several-week manhunt. Oh, my God. Where'd they catch him? This is fucking insane, man. So they caught him in Kentucky, I think.

Okay. So, yeah, three-state manhunt that lasted for several weeks. Wow. Which is crazy. The jury ended up finding him guilty, and he's sentenced to seven and a half years. That's when he escaped the first time that we told you about. He also escaped a second time after that and attacked a teenage girl in Nashville.

Oh, Jesus. At that point. Yeah, I would say. He is a dangerous man. He's very dangerous. Hutton, the man who ran away from the bar and said, quote, I don't think he got enough prison time for what he did to us. No?

He should have gotten attempted murder. He said he was going to kill us, and I believe he it it was like he was dr jekyll and mr hyde he's a sick sick sick human being i 36 36 means you're really sick all right that's and you know what i can't i can't say the guy is wrong i can't he even said too he and he and that girl never spoke again like i don't know neither of them wanted to talk to each other it was just like some traumatic experience looking at each other's face reminds they didn't want to oh boy he felt like he couldn't protect her she i mean she felt like he couldn't protect her yeah well i mean with the psychological shit going on on both of those

people is horrible in that situation so that ruined that relationship and everything else and who knows i mean she's probably ruined for i her, I can't imagine the therapy she's going to have to go through. I cannot even fathom. He got tied up and scared. But what happened to her is, you know, obviously way worse. So 1975 was his escape and he sexually assaulted a Nashville teenager escaping from prison. He's recaptured on May 1st, 1975 and convicted of the second assault and sentenced in 76 to serve three to five years in prison for assault and battery with intent to rape a female minor, which sounds like a terrible charge.

It's gross. That just sounds awful. Think about assault and battery with intent to rape. That's bad enough. Add female minor. Female minor to it. It's like, you know, it's not great. No.

That's a definite, that's a multiplier. She's got coal all over her. Over there, probably. Now, after serving two and a half years of his prison sentence, he was paroled. Yeah. Why do you parole this guy? I can't imagine. This is the last guy you want to parole.

Parole is for everyone else but this guy. This is the definition of why not to. This is the guy you go, we're going to keep him the whole time, right? Like everyone else we can let go. This is a perfect example of doing all your time. Well, that's the thing. Even if, let's say, someone is constantly robbing things, burglarizing or whatever. I mean, yeah, they're robbing and they're burglarizing.

But, I mean, we'll give them another chance. Aren't they raping children? That's the thing. they're burglarizing but i mean we'll give them another chance they rape and children that's the thing if you're if if you're a dangerous sex pervert right the dangerous aggressive sex pervert it was kidnapping people at knife point and gun point and doing crazy shit and raping people that's that's that's the one thing that's the one thing that we all go let's not let those people out those are the ones that yeah yeah they're not real good at being rehabilitated, especially him. He escapes because he's like, I need to get out there and rape again.

Like, it's so ridiculous. There's no solution yet. No. We don't have. The only solution is hang on to him until time says no more. Until the time is up, keep him. Other people are very rehabilitatable or whatever. You can rehabilitate people.

But this guy. Oh, he's got too many issues. He's got a lot of issues, and it gets worse for him. So he's paroled in December of 78 from the Lois DeBerry Special Needs Facility, which houses sex offenders and inmates with mental illnesses. Lois DeBerry? Lois DeBerry. The Lois Hanging Fruit, is that what that is? The lowest hanging fruit.

So this guy's kind of like our Rain of Massachusetts episode guy. I think it's the second episode we did. Kind of like that guy where he was put in a, they had like a house of sex perverts, basically, like a sex offender mental illness house. Oh, boy. The Dunkin' Donuts guy. Right, the guy that picked up the girl on the bike

yeah that's what i mean he was like living in that it's that sort of thing that's going on here with him now august 20th 1979 this is less than a year after he's paroled he's charged with stabbing and sexually assaulting a tennessee tech student who uh was driving through the county and then he stole her car stabbed her stabbed her sexually assaulted her didn't rape but through the county and then he stole her car stabbed her stabbed her sexually assaulted her didn't rape but a sexual assault and then stole her car right so i don't know what is it what's the sexual assault there could be a lot of things i could have grabbed or groped or tried to force him to her to do something and then she did your penetration i don't need you don't know there's no it's 1979 i'm positive. But what do you need the detail for?

He did something that she didn't want to do. I want to know how fucking horrible this man is. He's short. I feel like she fought it and he was like, fuck it, I'll just steal the car and drove away. That seemed to be what happened here. He's charged with malicious stabbing, which is a really good charge. Every stabbing is malicious. It's all malicious.

Why are we qualifying it? How many fucking stabbings? I mean, he stabbed him, but he was kind of lukewarm about it. Is there a worse stabbing? If it wasn't an accident. I'm not saying that. You know, he was like, I'm kind of upset.

I'm going to stab you a little bit. Wasn't really malicious, though. It was just kind of a pokey pokey. You know, twist it. Yeah. A little pokey pokey. You know, that sort of thing. You do a little a little stab stab.

It's kind of fun between friends. But malicious is all of the thing. That's's nobody needs that's a lot of stabbing so malicious stabbing felonious assault grand larceny and concealing stolen property the charges of the stabbing and attack were dropped in a plea agreement he pleads guilty in 1980 to grand larceny he's sentenced to serve four to six years in prison. Okay. That's in 1980. He's paroled in 1982. Two years. Two and a half years. He does in prison here.

He's released early because it's like they're releasing him at the earliest possible point. Right. Well, I mean, we want to release the crazy violent. How overcrowded are they? It doesn't matter. Whoever, whatever the crowding is, hang on to these people. Hang on to murderers and this asshole. Right. Everyone else, I don't give a shit. Figure it out. I don't matter. Whoever, whatever the crowding is, hang on to these people. Hang on to murderers and this asshole. Everyone else, I don't give a shit.

Figure it out. I don't care. And I mean, malicious stabbing, he's almost a murderer, obviously. Oh, he's this close. He just barely did it. And what he's doing is almost as bad anyway, or fucking kind of worse. It's terrible. It leaves them around to deal with the consequences and the head games that come with that.

He's a fucking nightmare. He's a walking nightmare. that's the only way i can describe this man destroying lives and they keep putting him out as early as they can and this is insane too because he's released early despite a letter of caution from his clinical psychologist that sent to the parole board saying you shouldn't it says quote i'll just quote it quote this man is potentially very dangerous he may be inclined to commit rape slash murder that's on their his psychological report he may be inclined to do the two worst things society can be yeah you know awful and what they do is they go well we're gonna're going to roll the dice on it. We feel good about this one. I don't know what they're thinking there.

Come on, Snake Eyes. Unbelievable. So he gets out, and guess what? He's right back in trouble again. In April of 1983, of 1883, he's in a period dress. In April of 1883. Fuck, I did it again. 1983. How much do you love 1883 just love it dude it's it's

deadwood watch deadwood damn it happens during then he pleads guilty to felonious sexual battery and felonious crime against nature what crime against nature he raped a maple tree i believe he did he raped a squirrel jimmy it was oh boy. It was a terrible crime that the squirrel was. I mean, it was a big squirrel, but it still couldn't take it. It still is not ready for. Seems like it could fight back. I mean, so in April of, that's April of that year. This is an attack on a 50-year-old woman who he shared a class at a vocational school with, he apparently tried to, he bit her in a sexual manner.

And that's a crime against nature. That's a sexual, felonious sexual battery. And then he was trying to diddle her in some other way. Got it. That's a crime against nature. Like a birch tree. Yeah. And so I figured he did it while he was pissing on a birch tree.

Trying to put some oak inside. Yeah. He's like, oh, yeah. Hey, baby. So this is a woman here. So he is sentenced to serve six years in prison again, which obviously he won't do. He serves four and a half years in prison. And then he is released in November of 1987.

This is ridiculous. Yeah. This is so fucking many. I mean, Jesus Christ the the woman he attacked the vocational school student uh he uh he admitted in court that he attacked her while she was returning a school while he was returning a school book to her that he borrowed she said quote he became violent talked about kidnapping me threatened to have sex with my little girl when she returned. Okay.

That's what the woman's affidavit said. Oh, my God. She escaped out the back door, and he bit her and repeatedly tried to rape her. So he goes to prison for six years. Four and a half is what he gets here. Now, while they were investigating this interesting little debacle, while they're investigating that,

they search his room jerry lee david davidson or jerry ray davidson and they find maps which uh they just basically on the maps they had there was plots to enter the homes of two women he had home invasion maps and like he was drawing like a map uh this is a police officer said, quote, they're detailed maps of women's houses, one in Nashville and one in Memphis of the neighborhoods. Cross Street. One says a husband leaves at 430 p.m., drives a brown car. Other scrawlings, scrawlings, they said, included, quote, one boat cutter next to padlock on garage. Just after dark woman lives by herself notes on the

women of he's been stalking women put a bolt cutter out there yeah he's been he's been stalking people uh it says boat cutter uh which i assume he meant yeah that's what i mean with that they were very accurate i think this hero cut open a boat it's a boat cutter it's got boats in half god damn if you can cut a boat in half with it i mean that's pretty strong it should work figure it'll take care of masterlock no problem should work on just about anything i mean it's a whole boat it cuts right in half that ain't bad right so when he's so he's been stalking two women and two those are not close to each other memphis and nashville they're like three hours away from each other. He's traveling.

He's traveling back and forth, stalking two different women and making notes about them. So he's been to their, that means it's like multiple times he's looked to make different notes. Because he wrote some here and then some are on the bottom over here. That's like a second visit. It's fucking crazy. So, yeah, his criminal history is absolutely horrific. At this point, he lives with his mom, Aileen. He keeps his bedroom door locked from the outside, which is weird.

And she says he often sleeps elsewhere. They said they asked, does he take care of you because you're older? And she said, quote, he didn't take care of me. He didn't even eat here. He usually drinks Cokes here, but that's about it. Drinks Cokes. He drinks Cokes here. This is my Coke drinking house.

He's a regular here for the Coca-Cola. He comes for the Coca-Cola, but then he just leaves. She said he stored a bunch of guns and knives in her basement. What the fuck? Why does she know about those and she's just letting them stay there? Well, I mean, it is a rural area. A lot of people have tons of guns and knives here. There's a place where a guy just rests his head and drinks coke.

And stores guns. Right. This is a munitions house. Hunting is the activity here. It is a thing. That's the thing there. That's what there is to do. That's what people do is hunt here.

So, I mean, this is absolutely normal for people who have tons of guns and knives and shit like that for hunting purposes for legitimate reasons so they're they hear there's all these weapons but then investigators when they look through the house they find no weapons uh-huh so she says he's got all these guns and knives right they're not there where are they that's weird uh so they asked her if she thought that her son was guilty of any of the crimes he was convicted of the sex crimes and she said quote well i really don't know i don't think i ever asked why would you have to ask i would probably be like did you fucking do that if that's my kid i'm asking did you do that did you do that horrible

shit they said you did because that shit sounds sounds horrible. But, I mean, there's got to be. Every crime he does has a little extra on it. That's a little. Yeah, he puts a little stank on it. Yeah, he rubs a little extra dirt in the wound. A little maraschino on top. That's the problem. Puts some whipped cream on it and some jimmies. He sprinkles it.

Yeah. It's disgusting. But he. She's got the worst Sunday in town. Put it that way. I don't want his whipped cream. I would think so. Shouldn't there be some indicator with that kind of shit going on?

Well, she said, quote, I just figured if they sentenced him, he must have been guilty, but I didn't really know whether he was guilty or not guilty. Just like now, I don't know what's going on. So she's like, I don't know what's going on with him. She's oblivious. She said that, you know, every time though he gets in trouble, it tears up

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two disappearances based on the fact that he likes to do... We got a good suspect. We got something, and he's missing, and there's a lot going on here. So they look into this. Now, they look in. They find that she went to the Bronco bar that night in Dixon. And she apparently got out with a... She came up with her dog.

She had an Irish setter. She had a pillow with her. It's a big dog. And some shit like that. Yeah, she had an Irish setter. Now, apparently, the bartender, Carol Owens, told her she can't bring the dog inside. Yeah. So she left the dog outside for a bit and came in and had a couple of beers.

Now, the bartender said everyone else had left. It was just the three of us. It was Owens, the bartender, Jenny Jackson sitting there, and then Jerry Ray Davidson sitting there quietly drinking a beer. And a dog outside. And a dog outside. That's it. So she called at one point here.

Jenny Jackson wants to leave. So she calls for cabs. It's 1130 at night and both cab companies are already closed. Both rural companies. Yeah. We're at a place with two cab companies and they both closed before midnight. Right. So we're not not a real, you know, not a real urban area, we'll say here.

So the bartender said that Jenny said, quote, great. I'll just I guess I'll just walk. So she was just going to walk home. Carol, the Owens, the bartender said, quote, I would have offered her a ride. But Davidson spoke up and said, I'm headed in that direction. Yeah. So apparently she had left the bar with Davidson, according to the bartender. Now, Mama Davidson again here.

She she says that, you know, he lives there. You know, he doesn't know. She said he's just he always seemed a little bit different than the other kids. She says that, you know, any thought of him killing a woman and all that. She said, quote, this is not true. Jerry Ray didn't do it. He said he didn't do it. She says, quote, some big shot did that and

that's all i've got to say some big shot i don't know i don't know what that means i don't know what that means because she's a she's a big shot she's from a prominent family i think he said she's trying to say like we're just trash we're not in that world we're not in that world this is some big shot that did that to her that is mad at her for some hospital business or some shit that's what she's trying to imply because that's what it's just like my irish setter is much more full it's prettier i gotta say it's it's fur i when you brush her she's shinier that's all i'm gonna say very shiny if you don't agree i'll kill you i will stab you so right in the face so a neighbor says that uh uh since he's been kind of on the lam here that she's been helping look after Davidson's mother and all of that, she says, quote, I didn't see him do it, so I don't know that he did it.

I would rather not talk about it. That's all she would say to a reporter, which I found hilarious. I don't know. And whatever. So, yeah, apparently she arrived in a taxi at the Broncos bar in Dixon about eight or eight thirty. And then the bartender wouldn't let her bring the dog inside. Like I said, she's carrying a purse and a pillow and wearing multicolored clips in her

hair, like we said earlier. Now, Jerry Ray had been at the bar since about 4 or 5 o'clock and was sitting at the bar when she arrived. Now, another woman, Mary Ann Wheat was uh sitting at the bar as well and the bartender carol owens and marianne wheat and jenny jackson were all having a conversation but jerry ray was sitting next to them but just he wasn't involved in the conversation seven hours of drinking you don't need to have conversations he's just sipping watching whatever's on tv and with no sound or whatever now apparently uh the, he just sat quietly drinking his beer.

Everybody said that Jenny didn't appear to be intoxicated. They only saw her have two beers over a three-hour period from 8.30 to 11.30. And that's what the bartender said, too. She only ordered two beers. So she had two beers over three hours. That's a very casual social thing that's not drunk. That's just having a couple beers so she also says the bartender that uh that jerry ray had about 12 beers while he was there yeah this is from 5 to 11 too it's still two beers an hour and uh the and uh once once marianne wheat

left it was just the two of them remaining and then we we talked about that uh he she ends up leaving with davidson they left in his red pickup truck. Okay. He drove. He drove. After 12 beers. 12 beers. And he offers her a ride home.

And the bartender doesn't go, hey, maybe don't take a ride with him. He's had a 12 pack. Right. But I mean, this, I don't know, it's rural Tennessee. It could be shit beer too. He's barely even drunk. Well, I mean, if he had 12 over six hours and he's a drinker. He's probably a drinker.

And even if he could have got there at four from 11, seven and a half hours. I don't know, man. That's a lot of beer. That's a lot of beer. But if he ate something, he wouldn't fall down drunk if he was a drinker. No, that's true. He would be okay, probably. In Omaha, I had more than that.

Yeah. A lot more than that. And a lot less time. And a lot less time. Yeah. And I remember. Most of it? Yeah. That's good. had more than that yeah a lot more than a lot less time in a lot less time yeah and i remember most of it yeah that's good that's good i remember it sucked i've never had that blackout thing never i've been pass out drunk but never blackout drunk okay that's a certain people aren't capable are capable of that certain people it's a genetic thing either you're capable yeah you're either

capable of doing that there's it's a certain like for lack of a better term a certain gene that is you either chemical makeup the chemical makeup alcohol does this yeah it's yeah it means usually you're more likely to be an alcoholic or to be have alcoholism as a as a potential uh thing for you basically yeah it's a it's a weird thing i don't do studies on it i just drink it that's that's good i just i heard that one time so get to the point where i throw up perfect and then don't remember shit so uh so that's the last that's all they know they left in jerry ray's car he was also missing for a few days but now he's popped up talked to his mom says he's gonna lay low he's got a huge history of sexual assault and everything. This isn't the person you would want your loved one to leave the bar with.

Put it that way. No. So October 19th, 1995. This is a day after the police investigate and find the pile of clothes and the hair clips and the cell phone and the panties and all that stuff here. There's a couple of hunters named Bill Pierce and Walter Wainick. They're riding three-wheelers in a wooded area

in the late afternoon. And they've been scouting for a good place to hunt deer. And they said, quote, we saw some buzzards flying around. We thought it might be a deer. Instead, they found a shallow grave with Jenny's body in it.

She's nude. They said the makeshift grave was only about two feet deep and there was a left arm exposed but there was not a left hand oh jesus part of the body was still covered by dirt there was a little bit of blonde hair beside the grave uh the hunter said quote we got the hell out of there went back to the house and called the law which sounds like a southern way of saying we called in the law. That's above our pay grade. So I got a feeling he didn't take the hand fucking buzzards or something. No, no.

We'll talk about that here. This is a few miles from her house in a wooded area off an old logging road on the Houston and Dixon County line is where it is here. Houston County Sheriff person here says, quote, Have you ever seen a deer gutted? That's yeah, this is the traffic here. That's basically what you've got. He mutilated her. They they thought that. Oh, that's terrible, James.

Yeah, it's it's crazy. They said that the dogs, they thought there might have been more bodies because originally they brought dogs in and they found three different areas but they thought that might just be animals dragging little parts to certain areas that triggered the dogs and made the uh the the scent you know uh all over the place uh now jackson's brother jenny's brother and three of her sisters went to the site to verify whether they thought it was their sister. It's hard to tell because she does not have a head as well as missing several other parts of her. And we'll get into this here.

Yeah, they said that her sister, Sheila, said, quote, at least if it's her, we found her. They said that if it is her, they said that she's in heaven. Her father's there and she loved him dearly. They ended up identifying the jewelry on her body. And they also identified, they said she had recently broken a toe and they could identify her by her feet. She also had a certain kind of pedicure, that sort of thing. So they could identify her by her feet and also her right hand that's still attached they could tell her manicure that she gets also okay uh that it's her so they think it's her based on all of that now uh so now they're very interested in jerry because now they don't

just have a missing person they have a decapitated body and we'll talk more about the forensics of that and the details of that in a moment here with a fancy mani pedi with a fancy mani pedi yes a very rich woman thrown in a shallow grave in the woods so they're real interested in figuring this out a very rich woman field dressed field dressed yeah that's crazy that's that is that's a step in the woods yeah so you have to factor that into this as well a small town murder a lot of times it's it's you know it's i don't mean to be crude but it's trash killing trash that's how society looks at it as well it. It's just these two in a trailer got sick of each other and somebody killed each other. But when it's something like this, every once in a while you get some, what they believe is some trash convicted multiple sex felon now killing a prominent family's daughter.

This is not okay in a small town. Shit no. Lee's daughter. This is not okay in a small town. Shit. No, there are people from that family that have a hundred million dollars on the fucking phone with the mayor, the chief of every minute going, what's happening? Have you talked to this person? I will get you fired if you don't have somebody's ass in a fucking courtroom ASAP.

And that's what happened. So they really want to find Jerry. They're not letting this shit go. They find out Jerry was employed. He had a job at the St. Thomas Hospital in Nashville as a janitor. So, yeah, he was a janitor in the department where surgical instruments were cleaned, which I wouldn't trust him to clean a fucking driveway. I don't want that man with surgical equipment. I wouldn't let him hose my driveway down.

He would get jizz on the part he already hosed. He will rape my driveway. He would. And probably your Irish setter. So at this point, we have, by the way, a missing Irish setter. Oh, good. Yeah, what has happened to the dog? I have an update on the dog.

Don't worry. We'll figure out the dog here. So I just want to let you know that I didn't forget about the dog. I did. People are going, where's the fucking dog? You forgot because you're a dick. But there's other people out there and they're like what happened to the dog i love dog where's the irish i know everybody likes dogs so uh yeah he he worked there for five years

so it's been a while but on september 25th he didn't that was the last day he showed up for work now september 26th is when they both went missing jerry and Jenny. So his supervisor, Tyrone Upshaw, said that he was a good worker, worked independently, always showed up for work, very dependable. So this is aberrant behavior. He didn't call in. He just no call, no showed. And eventually, after a few days, they had to fire him because he didn't show up. Yeah, that's what happened.

So one woman named Rebecca carpooled with him from Dixon to work all the time, and she said the last time she rode in his truck, the passenger seat appeared to be normal and intact, which is important in a minute here. Now, yeah, so apparently he came back while they're all looking for him. Before the body is found, he comes back to Bronco's bar on October 9th. To have drinks? To have drinks, yeah.

Apparently her son had inquired about the bartender, about his mother's disappearance. She said, do you know anything? Doing their own little investigation. And the bartender asked Jerry where he took her that night and uh and she he says why do you want to know which is not the right answer it's a weird answer it's a weird answer just say i took her here fuck's the problem yeah that's i need a minute to think about that question that's i need a minute to think about a non-incriminating answer can you repeat that question please that, why do you want to know?

That's not smart enough to go, I'm sorry, could you repeat the question? Or, I didn't hear you. What'd you say? The music was, Hank Williams was playing. One more time? I didn't hear you. So instead, he says that he dropped her off at a Kroger grocery store. That's what he says.

He goes, I just dropped her off down at the Kroger. What? That's it. That's the story. I thought you were on the way home, man. I love how the bartender is the only person who's questioned him at this point, by the way. The police haven't been here. Nobody's asked him anything.

Nobody's asked, only the bartender. So later that day, though, a detective with the Dixon County Sheriff's Department came into the bar to question owens about the disappearance so her son and the actual murderer have both been there to talk to the bartender before the police have been there and now they show up this is a top-notch fucking police work guys if the victim's son is ahead of you in the investigation her 16 year old son right by the way if a fucking sophomore is lapping you in a murder investigation you're shit at your job right i'm sorry that's bullshit why does he know where the last place she was seen alive is and the cop doesn't i would assume they knew first probably the cops he just went there before that right which seems really dumb i don't know seems like the first place you

go look he was even there before they were there the guy the fucking murderer came back and then the bartender questioned him because he the bartender been questioned by the son right days have gone by then the cops come in like i'll just ask just asking around jesus fucking christ that's so enraging yeah there's a woman missing right can we get on this? Can we try harder? Can we, you know? They haven't found a body yet.

No. They don't even know where she is yet. There's a missing woman. She could be alive and, you know, suffering. We don't know. She could be dying in the woods. But again, she's an adult, so we got to do this slow-like and see if she just comes back on her own.

It's true, but once they find out she left with a multiple convicted crazy violent sex pervert i think you then step up the investigation a little bit she might not come back she might not come back i would say i don't know i'd love for me for my own sanity i'd like to find her right i get that you know she could be but this is for me i'd rather uh find her and have her go fuck you i'm fine leave me alone and then i go hey fine you want to hang out with the sex pervert knock yourself out but i'm not in the woods field dressed. That's it. Let's try to keep you from getting field dressed.

That's all we're doing here. No one can be mad at that. They go, you know what? I don't want to be field dressed. So good. Thank you. Prevent field dressed and protect. That's our motto.

Prevent ladies from being field dressed and protect. So it's ridiculous. So finally, so uh uh jesus christ he was at the bar when the cop came in he's there he's there uh so the uh bartender owens indicates to the cop he gave her a ride that guy right there all right you might want to start with him yeah considering i've done your whole fucking job for you. Here's your suspect. Can I get you a beer, too? Refill on those pretzels, chief?

Jesus Christ. I hope you're leaving a tip since I just solved your murder, dummy. Quesadillas are on special. Yeah, just in case y'all want to know. Tacos. Tacos and quesadillas. So Jerry here says, oh, how you doing you doing yeah sideline up and grab a beer with me he says i gave her a ride sure i dropped her off down at the kroger about midnight and uh

after the police so the cop went all right wrote that down fucking left yep sounds good to me i gotta go to the kroger good enough going down to the kroger uh apparently the jerry watched the cop car pull out of the parking lot and then about 10 minutes later he left the bar so he said he watched him leave and then he just hung out for a while and then he left got around yeah now after that day he never came back into the bar no which no why would you that's the bar where cops question me for murder why would you go there it's got a negative connotation now yeah the bartender asked me questions about missing women there's detectives there are too many people in that bar asking me about missing women oh that lady's kid who's dead is he's gonna come in again you know he's not

gonna give up he's gonna you know whatever so apparently uh uh the the whole thing that triggered the family being worried about jenny was the fact that her car was parked at a gas station near her house for several days. That was the whole thing. And then the brother-in-law saw the clothes on the road there. And, you know, it was one of those things. Several days later, he decided to move the clothes out of the out of the road. And that's when he saw it had the sock and the panties and the sweater, some hair clips, and a pillow as well, which she was carrying a pillow.

They also found the cell phone near some brush there. Her daughter identified the items as her mother's. All of the items there are her 20-year-old daughter. They said they last saw their mother on September 23rd at a family wedding. Also, they were worried

that why she was missing because it was her son's birthday and she wasn't coming around what the fuck mom not gonna happen there's one of those things so they noticed her car parked behind a gas station for several days that's why they filed the missing persons report the door to her house was unlocked when they went to investigate which they said was highly unusual she always locked her door she's a woman living alone with her children right so she's always locking her door and uh the back tires on her truck had been slashed as well which is interesting so she can't drive away so her back tires had been slashed oh by the way her dog's at her house oh back home her dog's at her house they find her dog in her house. Okay. So that's a big step.

Yeah. At some point, she was at her house from here to there. Right. That's the only way. She went from the Kroger with the dog back home where somebody was waiting for her because they slashed the tires on the truck. Now, I'm going to go out on a limb here. I'm going to guess it must have been based on our previous episodes.

I'm going to guess Jerry Ray is going to say, I went over there to make sure she got in. All right. Turns out there was a black guy in there already killing her. So I disposed of him. Right. And then, you know, did my God, that was four episodes ago. That guy is still the most ridiculous excuse in the history. I got there and the Irish setter was sawing her head off.

He was taking her head off. I said, bad boy. I opened the, and the Irish setter was sawing her head off. He was taking her head off. I said, bad boy. I opened the door and said, now you get out. I started rolling up a newspaper. He knew. He started running. He was like, you're going to hit me right on the nose with that thing. And instead of letting her parents find her murdered by an Irish setter,

they're very racist. Yeah, they don't like the Irish. Let's just say that. Never hired them at the hospital. Not a micker and oh working there just not even a one an old leary applied and they said get your mick drunken irish ass yeah out of our hospital go find your pot of gold you diseased potato famined asshole it was it was terrible damn leprechaun ass out of here terrible the family had been here for

seven generations. The weirdest thing I ever saw. They're not very good at doctoring on account of their small hands. You know how that works. Doctoring. So, Jesus Christ. Now, a Melinda Jones, who lives out in the country here on Old Yellow Creek Road, that is probably near Turkey Creek Road in Dixon. She said she saw a small red truck that she did not recognize drive down the road past her house

sometime between the 4th and the 6th of October 1995. That's how rural this is. Wow. That you remember a truck passing by your house. And the date. The date. I think I saw a red truck on the floor. Somewhere between the 4th and the 6th.

Think about that. No. I don't know what cars pass in front of my house. Lots of them. I can't think of anything specific that happened today. Forget yesterday. That's how few cars drive. It's only the people that live there.

So even if your car is just, they never saw it before. Oh, who's that driving down the road? Looking out the window. Is that a car on the road what the hell who's that that's not the three people we know who might that be she said she also observed the same truck drive by about a week earlier from them from there and she said there's not much traffic on her road obviously and she recognized the vehicles traveling on it so was she just staring out her window? How bored are you? I can't imagine. Go inside.

There's so much on TV. Get off your porch. Figure it out. It's 95. You get cable. Fucking Jesus. Live with it. So she said that she recognized the driver

and she noticed something wrapped tightly in something white, maybe a sheet in the cab of the truck, fall onto the driver's shoulder, which the driver had to push off. She didn't recognize the driver, I'm sorry, but then she saw that happen. So she's got like a week,

he's got a weekend to Bernie situation happening in here. And then later she saw his picture on television and realized that was the guy driving the truck. So hey, I connected it all. There you go, lady. So anyway, like we said, that was the guy driving the truck so hey i connected it all there you go lady uh so uh anyway uh the like we said uh her body was then found they also talked to theresa smith who's an employee of the of a convenience store on old yellow creek road she says that jerry came into

the store in the morning sometime between october 2nd and 6th, and that she had never seen him before, and according to this clerk, his pants were dirty, quote, like he'd been digging in a garden or something. So that just... The wood. Yeah, a lot of mud all over him, basically. He sat in the store for about an hour and drank a cup of coffee,

which is weird to do in a convenience store. Get your shit and leave. Yeah. Don't sit in your car. What are you doing? Get out of here. What are you doing? You're not even using the bathroom.

Get the fuck out of here. Nobody sticks around those places. No. She said he was driving a red pickup truck with a camper top, which is, that's the guy. That's him. And about a week later, he came back into the store, bought a drink, and sat inside again for an hour. So we're putting this all together.

came back into the store, bought a drink, and sat inside again for an hour. So we're putting this all together. On October 12th, a Darla Harvey was a woman working at the Lakeview Tavern in Cumberland City, and he came into that bar at about 2.30 p.m. He sat at the bar. He ordered a beer. He's a thirsty son of a bitch. He's a thirsty bar-hopping son of a bitch.

Christ. How much money is he spending in beer? Beer is expensive in bars. That's all he does. Get a 12-pack and go home. He's just pushing liquid down his body go get a 12 pack and go home you can drink so much more yeah that way but cheaper there's way less people to kidnap and rape though that's the problem that's the issue when you field dress someone at home yeah it's different so uh i guess she said that uh this this bartender said that his pants and shoes were covered in red dirt she also says that he just sat at the bar without saying a word and quote blatantly

stared at me for a long period of time oh that's weird about an hour and 15 minutes okay okay okay after 45 you're getting asked to leave. 10? I mean, you're going, you got a fucking problem? Are you? Because you can leave. You know what I mean? This is not going to work. Just staring for an hour and a half? Just some weird creep staring for an hour 15, just sipping on his beer with pants all

dirty. Just staring. Mud covered pants, drinking a beer, staring at you. Oh my God. As as a woman that's about the most frightening thing you can imagine yeah i would think anyway this is this is the guy that you are warned about yeah and that you you know they make lifetime movies about and for an extended period of time about an hour 15 wow blatantly stared at call not caring your husband and your boss call i don't give a shit call your

boss have him removed call your husband come pick me up after my shift i'm not leaving alone call the police and the police get him out of my bar certainly he's a fucking creep or if you have a 357 under the counter deal with it yourself just wait yeah i don't know well she might be a bad she might be she might be able to kick his ass. I don't know what she's about. Who knows? So apparently she felt so uncomfortable because she didn't know him, so she walked outside to look at his truck to see who he was, just in case he did anything weird. Atta girl.

Yeah, she said he was driving a small red pickup truck with a camper top that had been spray painted red. So now he's spray painted it red. He's going to almost switch it up. He'll never find me. What color was it before? with a camper top that had been spray painted red so now he's spray painted it red okay he's gonna i'm gonna switch it up they'll never find me what color was it before it was a white cat white camper shells he's now they'll never find me a red truck with a white camper shell fucking stands out red and red yeah i mean obviously it goes together not but rattle can no not that stands out as much as white not guilty sir that's So I got to say.

So apparently she said she looked through the window of the camper and she saw a sleep, a sleeping bag soiled by red clay, a dirty shovel, a chain and two Rubbermaid containers. This is a bad kit that he's got back there. She also said the cab of the truck was, quote, really, really messy, like he had been living in there. So this is not the person you want hanging out in your bar. She's really investigating. That's what I mean. Good Lord.

These people are bored. Yeah. This town. This is one thing about small towns. In big cities, watch Law and Order. They go into a bar and they're like, have you seen this guy? And they're like, I don't know. A lot of people come in here and drink.

They're like washing a fucking glass. I don't fucking know. How do I know? They'd have to to say like well uh he spontaneously combusted and his hair caught fire they'd be like oh i think yeah i don't remember a guy's hair catching on fire it was like last month right but they don't fucking even know but in a small town they're like i never met this guy let me go investigate his vehicle look in his windows check out a situation write down his license plate number i'm gonna call his mama and see what she thinks i'm gonna take a break and go rummage through the the cab of his truck in new york even if you said spontaneous like the one last week

was that or like three weeks ago there's been a few this are we talking about the fucking chinese guy or what the chinese guy or the other fucking guy that burst into flames? People fucking burst into flames all the time in here. I'm busy. You going to tip me or order something or what? There's a lot of people in and out. They come in and out. Sometimes their heads catch on fire. What do you want from me?

Is it my fucking fault now? Am I under investigation for people's heads? I told them to take Flaming Dr. Peppers off the menu. They won't do it. Drink water. I tell everybody, stay hydrated. I don't know, but they don't fucking do it. It's not my fault.

What do you want from me? But in a small town, the bartender goes, he looks a little strange. Let me investigate fully. Which, thankfully, he did. He looks a little strange. Please may I have your fingerprints and a DNA sample? Yeah, please. Could you jizz in this cup for me?

I'm going to take that with me. He probably would, too. He'd be so apparently she came inside and then uh after a few minutes he went outside to go in his truck quick and then came back inside the bar with one hand in his pants pocket you know like you got a gun in there right uh so or a weapon of any sort any kind of weapon or worse he's holding his dick or he's tugging in there. I don't know what's the worst here. I'm not sure. But either way, one way or another, he's got a weapon in there. He's got an aggressive instrument.

So I could put it. So she says that she was scared because he's continued to sit at the bar staring at her, not saying a word with his hand in his pocket and his weird truck and everything his muddy pants and everything like that so about 5 30 three hours this goes on this uncomfortable shit wow about 5 30 people start arriving more patrons start coming in half the hour once work lets out here and apparently uh she started telling some of the regulars that she knew that I'm afraid of this fucking guy over here. He's super weird. Keep an eye on him.

You guys stick around till bar close. That guy's a fucking. Yeah. Well, no, these guys said, we'll fucking get him out of here. So a bunch of the regulars said they went over to him and said, get the fuck out of the bar. You're making the bartender uncomfortable. You're not welcome. Take a fucking hike.

Yeah. Good. So they said, if you don't, we'll take you outside. We'll make you. We'll escort you out the door and so he said all right no problem i'll leave i'm you know i'm trying to be it's all good he does one of those uh but uh but during the entire three hours he was there he only ordered one beer it's not even like he was being a good customer and he's like i'm just a weird guy he's just

loitering yeah it's not like he's a socially awkward guy who just went to drink and doesn't know how to talk to people and he thinks the girl is pretty and he's harmless. Weirdo. No, he's a fucking weirdo that had one beer and stared at the bartender. So they they bounce his ass out. Three hours, one beer, all staring and a weird truck. She had a really good reason to go. Can you talk to her?

She's absolutely right so october 19th 95 is the day after the body's found a betty lutz is working at the roberts creek bar uh another bar here and he came into this bar jerry does at about 1 or 2 p.m mid-afternoon bar because he knows no one's there he can creep on a bartender and he ordered a beer uh he sat at the bar quietly she said the bartender betty said she felt uneasy because he just sat and stared at her it's he's got a definite thing that he does strange move at about six o'clock uh sheriff ronnie tungit of the humphreys county sheriff's department entered the bar and arrested him uh there on what uh well i think they were looking for him okay for for this he was in possession of a of a 25 caliber automatic pistol uh a chrome like uh uh the like

brass knuckles with a knife on them oh jesus those that you have brass knuckle with knife on one side knuckle duster and yeah he had oh boy those on him, and a pair of handcuffs. Why? Which you shouldn't have those things. They also found a full-length shotgun in his truck here. Full-length shotgun, a sawed-off shotgun along with some shells, a knife, various tools, a shovel, a tent, a sleeping bag, a camping stove, coolers, some clothes, food, a bunch of Marlboro cigarettes, and a bunch of other shit that they found here. So plenty of stuff to look for clues on. A lot of physical evidence here. The truck did not have a camper top at this point when he's at this bar.

Just to pick up. Just to pick up here. The passenger seat had a chain with a padlock wrapped around it. Weird. That's weird. I've never chained and padlocked my seat to my car before no that seems odd rare uh also another thing that's not in my car blood stains found on the passenger seat very rarely do i bleed in my car and uh dna testing uh was sketchy on it but it revealed that jenny couldn't be excluded as a contributor so she's in the pool of people who it

could be but they couldn't narrow it down to her. They said they go and they find a campsite in the woods about 2,500 feet across the road from where Jenny was found. And in the campsite, they found here five spent shotgun shells. He's got a shotgun. And they determined later that they those shells have were fired from one of the shotguns recovered from his truck so there's that they also find a knife the handcuffs uh another pair of handcuffs similar to the ones found when he was arrested

the same key fit both pairs he left all that shit at a campsite campsite yeah a can of red spray paint matching the brand of a can found in his truck. So he just left. He's like, I'm going to buy two of everything. I'm going to just put it all. Keep one in my truck. Half this order on this riverbank. And then half at the campsite.

And just so everything's got a matching pair, just not together. I bought a pair of earrings. I keep the left one in my truck. The right one over there. Pair of Air Jordans, left one over here, and I want it at the campsite. I feel better if I have everything. It's a balanced thing.

My body feels balanced. So they found that. Also, a prescription pill bottle belonging to Jenny. Oh, that's not good. That's not good. Also, Jenny's wallet containing some of her IDs, different various things, her leather cigarette case, two ATM receipts that show a withdrawal from Jerry's bank account on October 4th, and an empty box that once it contained some brand of tent recovered, the same brand of tent recovered from his truck. So literally, he's like, I'll put the tent in here but i'm gonna keep the box and the receipt but he's got a tent in his truck and the box for the tent at the campsite right he's backwards he's dyslexic it's very sad it's very

sad he's but he's got he's got half of his shit mixed up with hers mixed up with her shit at a campsite that's not good at all not good good at all. Also, some men's underwear. Yeah. A t-shirt matching the size and brand recovered from his truck. A pair of pants matching the brand of a pair found in his truck. A flashlight matching the brand and color of one found in his truck. Everything he buys, he buys two of. Yeah, he does.

And keeps one there. Empty packs of Marlboro cigarettes as well as numerous items. Apparently, the amount of cigarettes this guy smoked oh god is obscene the investigator said the thing that really struck us the most was the amount of cigarettes just he had empty packs and cigarette butts were everywhere he smoked like 15 packs a day doesn't shut him down it's like on the wire when omar is scoping somebody out and they'll cut to him dropping a cigarette butt and there's like 12 of them on the ground showing he's been staring and

scoping people for a long time. That's what's happening here, except Omar doesn't rape. That's the difference. He does kill people, but he doesn't rape them. Also, there was general trash and debris in the same area, which other witnesses said is kind of a dumping site for nearby residents. Yeah, but it's too much of his oh no that's all concentrated in other places there's garbage strewn around now a forensic anthropologist that's a very specific job uh dr murray marks here uh

examined the body of jenny on site and concluded that there had been uh they'd been there for about a month which is a little high it's actually a little less than a month she was lying face down and her left forearm had been gnawed on by animals and the left hand was missing her head was also missing like we said now the there was evidence of animal activity in the upper left portion of the back and neck region and uh they said that the it looks like that the shallow grave in which they found the body there was a an area for a head there i think there was enough room for a head dug it up so he must have put it in there and that put her in there and then cut the head off from that area uh so they said he said that she was buried probably with her head intact and then it was

removed sometime after that so he might have even gone back and said i better take that fucking head off what the fuck like he might have buried her because he had a campsite nearby so he was like she he was living at this campsite 2500 feet from over by where she was right and then he must have just been like i gotta better do this dental Dental record. That's what I mean. Things like that. So now it's not, they showed the, they were talking about whether it was evidence of animal activity, but there was incision marks also, and also evidence of animal activity. They said it's possible that the victim's head was definitely cut, then the neck was chewed on by animals. So it was cut off. They said the head might have been cut off and placed there not show then the neck was chewed on by animals so it was cut

off they said the head might have been cut off and placed there and then the animals might have taken the head afterwards or things like that uh you know it doesn't know uh but they never found the skull they never find her head uh also uh a the whoa this is rough Her torso was cut cleanly from the neck to the navel, like a field dresser. So in and around the grave, they found a cigarette butt from him and a chunk of dirt consistent in shape and size with having been lodged in the handle of a shovel near the blade. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. It'll pop out in that shape. So they find that. This Dr. Marks, he says that the victim may not have been killed at the gravesite

because they didn't find a significant amount of blood in the dirt around the body. So who knows where this happened. He also viewed the body before the autopsy was performed and then reviewed the medical examiner's findings. The assistant medical examiner performed the autopsy was performed and then reviewed the medical examiner's findings, the assistant medical examiner performed the autopsy. He says that the liver tested positive for alcohol and Prozac, which not surprising. A lot of people on Prozac in 1995 and she had two beers. So definitely going to have that in their kidney.

Also positive for Prozac. They said, given the state of decomposition, they couldn't determine how much alcohol and Prozac was present. So we don't know if he made her drink more or tried to apply her with alcohol or whatever but that doesn't really irrelevant yeah the doctor also said that the state of decomposition was consistent consistent with the death occurring 24 to 48 hours after the last time she was seen sometime in a day or two they said they could not make a definitive conclusion as to cause of death, but it was clearly a homicide, they know. And the incision to the victim's torso

occurred post-mortem, they said, and would have to have been made with a reasonably sharp knife, at least a hunting knife of some kind. He also said that the head was removed after death with a sharp instrument and not removed by an animal. And he said that the victim may have died as a result of wounds to the neck or head.

But obviously they won't know the head because they can't find it. So this is crazy. They interview this. The detectives interview Jerry, which is crazy here after he's arrested. They interview him on October 19th and 20th. It's from 940 40 it's overnight thing about 9 40 p.m to about 5 a.m is that that's an keep him that's one of the strategies of a murder thing is if they're a day person and interview him at night if they're a night person interview him first thing in the morning make him uncomfortable keep him off guard so they

asked if they could search his truck and he says says, no, you can't, which is an interesting thing here. Rather you don't? Yeah, he said that there might be something in the truck that he didn't want them to find, which if you tell the cops that, now they have reason to search your truck. You dummy. You just gave them a valid reason to get a warrant to search your truck. Why do you want to search? A person says there's illegal shit in there that they don't want us to find.

Oh, well then, yeah, go ahead. Hey, ahead hey dummy yeah not just i'm a private person i don't know some horse shit i know my rights yeah well he said after a while that he was referring to a sawed-off shotgun it's modified and he knows it's illegal he said he denies any any knowledge of jenny's whereabouts and he says I dropped her off at the Kroger. I don't know when you fucking people are going to listen to me. Dropped her off at the Kroger. Yeah. He said that he left her at the Kroger, went to a bar in Nashville at about until about 4 a.m.

And then the next morning he left for Knoxville and Chattanooga. So they asked him, said, quote, hypothetically, where do you think the victim might be? And this is his answer. Okay. Let's say you didn't kill somebody. You met a chick at a bar. She asked you for a ride. You dropped her off a couple blocks away.

You went home. She's missing. And all this kerfuffle. They come to you and they say, you think my where do you think she might be home i don't fucking know the fuck should i know i'm assuming home i don't know does she have a job check their work home does she have a family i don't know how much groceries did she need i left her at the fucking kroger kroger the frozen food i have no idea i don't know this person check the ice cream aisle sometimes depressed chicks love love Haagen-Dazs.

She sat there, you know, seriously. Check it. She might just be standing in front. She was having drinks. She may not be all put together right now. She might be sad. There's a lot of flavors is what I'm getting at. It's hard to decide which one you want.

And it happens. Salted caramel is fantastic. There's so many, Jimmy. There's pistachio. Just your old school pistachio is even good. Rocky Road is fantastic. That's not bad. It's top notch. It's a damn good choice. It's top notch. So this so many, Jimmy. There's a pistachio. Just your old school pistachio is even good. Rocky Road is fantastic. That's not bad. It's top notch.

It's a damn good choice. It's top notch. So this is what I mean. There's a lot to choose from. But that would be my answer of how the fuck should I know? What are you asking me for? I'm not a cop. Hey, that's your job.

I was going to say, aren't you, what's your title? Detective. Ask you. Hey, you know what you should do? Go detect some shit. Figure this shit out. you know what i do i'm a fucking janitor you go shit on the floor i'll clean it up and then you go find the dead girl or wherever the fuck ask me hypothetically where would you uh wipe piss from toilet toilet

i win see how good i am at my job you on the other hand i wouldn't come to you and go hey hypothetically how would i clean the shit out of this toilet? Do I ever say that to you? Hypothetically, where's the broom closet? You don't know that. Hypothetically. Hypothetically, where do I keep my supplies? How the fuck would you know that? You don't know where I keep my lemon pledge.

How the hell is this bullshit? So he instead says, well, hypothetically, I mean, just off the top of my head, someone, I don't know, might have chained her to a tree. What? That's his fucking answer. What? Which is the last answer an innocent man gives. Even if he said, I don't know, maybe somebody killed her.

Even that, I would say, okay, that's reasonable. She's been missing for days. You found her fucking, I don't know where she would have went. Somebody murdered her, I guess. He says that's very specific. Hypothetically, he just thought that hypothetically was just a complete washer of everything he thought i said hypothetically he said he thought hypothetically means you can go ahead and just admit to everything you've ever done and we'll just be like now we

gotta prove it damn it he said hypothetically did it your honor it's like it's like you said allegedly your honor not guilty your honor it's all hypothetical no so you said, allegedly, your honor. Not guilty, your honor. It's all hypothetical. No. So he said that he also said that that Jenny's head and hands might be missing. Oh, what? To keep someone from identifying the body. Why would you say that? Well, I mean, her head and hands are gone.

They explain that. And he goes, well, I mean, someone might have, you know, chained her to a tree and cut her head and hands off so they couldn't identify her, you know, like the Russian mob or some shit. So they said, why did you quit your job? And he stated that, quote, things were getting too tense and he just needed to leave. It's that shit cleaning. It's very tense. It's a very tense environment. Nobody would show me where the supplies are.

I said, where the fuck are the cleaning supplies? And no one told me. It was awful. They all kept telling me where they were, but they said hypothetically first, so I didn't believe them. Yeah, so you know how that works. I said, they're lying. Even though they said, see that closet? It hypothetically says cleaning supplies on it.

Now, that don't mean it's real. You could hypothetically be in that cleaning supplies pop. Hypothetically, I'm in the NBA. I'm the league's all-star power forward now hypothetically that's how it works now in reality i'm a 50 year old short white man from tennessee who with an alcohol problem who has a tendency to be a sex pervert and possibly a murder but stare at bartenders appearing and leering i'm just a staring so uh yeah so once they do get in his truck here like i said they find a shovel matted with dirt large knife two shotgun shells and a matching thing for every goddamn right at the campsite found the other pair to everything

yes and at this point though a large section they find a large section had been cut out of the passenger seat where a large chain had been attached and the person who he carpooled with said that the seat wasn't like that the last time they were in the car so this happened this happened like yeah right before a couple days before the bar before the last time he she was seen that's what happens here they said that a little more than a week uh uh uh she's his exact quote by the way was quote maybe someone got to her and chained her to a tree that's an amazing quote here uh so they they said that uh there's no witnesses uh who saw his truck at the 24 at the kroger like he said it's uh located about a mile from

where she had parked her truck her car behind that gas station. And they said that she routinely, apparently, this is what she did all the time, she would leave her car at this gas station. She would take a cab later on to her car and then drive a couple miles home. So she would go to bars, not want to drive the full way. She'd park like two miles from her house, like by the woods so she wouldn't get pulled over or anything.

Take a cab back to her car and then drive the rest of the way through the woods to her house go the whole way i don't know what the fuck it's rural i don't know what the hell woods fucks you goddamn bastard stop driving stop driving but she's not driving anymore so unfortunately this poor woman here so they uh they also found that uh they found uh several garbage bags at the campsite and other items. They said tons of Marlboro cigarettes, also Hanes underwear, black men's shoes, all shit that the defense tried to say that they're trying to say, well, these are all common items. Anybody could have left there and have exact matching pairs. Yeah.

And they said one of the lead investigators said, quote, what was interesting was the amount of cigarettes at both the campsite and in the truck. He just smokes a lot. Now, the town reaction here, they're pissed. That family is fucking mad. Oh, I'm sure of that. Oh, yeah. They said, here's one member said, quote, the creeps, they are letting walk the streets.

We let him out to hurt other people. That's ludicrous. We've got our values all screwed up here. So another one here, there's a woman that lives nearby here who he would or she mowed the grass at a rental house and she would see him outside his house there. And she said, quote, he seems like a nice, ordinary guy. He'd always strike up a conversation with me i never dreamed he was dangerous so now they're going around asking people uh one man here says

quote or i'm sorry a woman who's a childhood friend of jenny's said quote i think the community is angry i know i am uh she said that i think he kind of took advantage of her friendliness she was like that with everyone you can kill someone without tearing them apart. It's just awful. Now, his friend, he's got friends who don't think this is him. He's got a friend who is a woman named Joan Pennington who he hangs out with. He's got a woman friend who's a single mom with a 13-year-old daughter. She says that they have been friends for a couple years now.

She said she was shocked to learn of these murder charges and also all of his criminal history. She didn't know any of it. Not a fucking thing about it. He didn't tell anybody about this show. He wasn't going around saying, hey, by the way, I've been in and out of prison for all these horrible sex crimes.

You know how you know everything about all these horrible... Think about those and then rub some stank on them. That's me. Yeah, all the bad shit. That's me. I do it worse. You know the boo know everything about all these horrible... Think about those and then rub some stank on them. That's me. Yeah, that's me. All the bad shit? Yeah, yeah. That's me. I do it worse.

You know the boogeyman? I do it worse. I raped the boogeyman. I raped him good. I got him good. You have no idea, boy. A little extra. He tried to get away.

Right. He was just screaming, but luckily I put that chain in my front seat. And boy, he's tough to pin down that was my crime against nature right in his ghost ass i said right there buddy right in your ghost hole has some of that so it's the only thing you're i think it's okay to rape is the boogeyman yeah if the boogeyman confronts you feel free to rape him well the the good news is you never finish because you don't feel it. Because it's a ghost.

So it's just, he feels it. Oh, he does. Yeah. That's the beauty part. So you can just keep going. Yeah. Oh, that's wonderful. So, just keep raping all night on the boogeyman.

Do I feel bad for the boogeyman right now? I almost do. I feel bad for the boogeyman. I see almost feel bad for the boogeyman i see him screaming he's like i want to make all the kids scared for their lives but jesus this is enough this is too much so he she is shocked that she has let this horrible person not only are they friends they're not just like work acquaintances he takes her daughter out yeah they he's like a surrogate almost like a surrogate uncle yeah she says quote i thought how come he didn't try anything with me or my daughter what are you

fucking disappointed yeah be happy he didn't jesus christ what am i not good enough you're protesting lady good lord jesus um she said quote things go through your mind 24 hours a day after something like this i I feel lucky. She says that her daughter, who's only 13, still doesn't know about the charges because it would freak her out because she used to take him. He always took her out for ice cream and shit like that. She was visiting him in jail until more evidence started coming out. She started seeing that. Oh, he fucking did this. Yeah. She says she still hangs on to cherished memories of a friend who she could always tell her troubles to.

She said they watch movies together at her home. He would come over for hours at a time or he would take her daughter swimming at the creek. Swimming. Yeah. With like, you know, a bathing suit on with this fucking guy around. I mean mean some guys can turn it on and off i guess that's how crazy of a sociopath that's insane it's horrifying this is that's the scariest thing ever scary oh it's like ted bundy with his girlfriend the same thing

like oh they have people they love it's fucking weird it's just disturbing of where what when do you put someone in a box of uh personal and not personal you know personal personal relationship and you know murder fodder yeah which side of the fence does someone how quickly does someone judge that i mean you've got to find the person that has to be your uh your mask that makes the world think because you know that you know there's a difference between right and wrong you know the the that you're not supposed to do. There has to be a different draw. Okay, there's a different allure for Ted Bundy to a person that he's going to be a girlfriend with.

And whether it's just a calculated ruse just to make him look normal or not, he's going to have to spend time with this person. So there's going to be some sort of whatever allure that he needs to have with her that's totally different right from the turn on that he gets from the other thing right it's just we otherwise it would cross over at some point so they almost and you can't kill them all that's what i mean getting caught yeah i don't know it's just a weird thing so yeah for him when did he just go you know what these two every other people it doesn't matter if they know me i'll try it i'll do it whatever but these two this co-worker I'm going to be friends with and this chick I'll marry. I'll carpool with somebody and they'll be fine. Never touch her.

And then I'll go over to this person's house, have all the access in the world unfettered to both her and her 13-year-old daughter in a bathing suit, eat ice cream and the whole thing. And he's fucking. It's weird, man. and he's fucking it's weird man uh so by the way the yellow creek area where she took her daughter swimming is really close to where jenny jackson's body was god so he he knows that she says quote i miss him he came over here so often but if you've been in jail that many times you had to have done something it couldn't have been all a misunderstanding no shit that's a person who she's not a lot it sounds like a person with not a lot of friends who is just very sad that their friend, she's like, I lost a friend now.

Fuck. Yeah, but. Who cares? The guy's a fucking maniac. Be lucky. The other part too is like, she's got to feel duped and feel. Oh God. She's mourning.

She's grieving a relationship because that's probably, it's clearly a living, breathing relationship. Yeah, yeah, yeah. When she trusts him with her kid. Absolutely. She's grieving that. Sure. And on top of that, she's probably sitting up scared at night thinking anyone I meet

could be allow this into my life. Anyone I meet could be a murdering, crazy fucking sex criminal. This is insane. But the odds and chances of that being this dude pretty, pretty. You've met one. This guy. How many have you met? He's a fucking pro.

This one. You know what I mean? Like, you're not going to meet a lot of guys like him now the prosecutor says at this point there's a lot of newspaper articles because i mean she stops going to see him everybody knows what's up a prosecutor says in the paper quote we have enough evidence to send him to the electric chair so that's a okay that's a lot that's pretty hardcore so it's half of all of his shit yeah yeah it's a lot we do but to say that in the paper uh causes it causes uh jerry to file for a change of venue because change of venue due to all his fucking publicity there's right the chances of mistrial are through the roof now there is a well just how do you pick a jury that hasn't been tainted by ruined we have enough evidence to send into the electric chair you can't have a juror

sitting down and that's what they've heard already that's that's too much that shit's not bound by the rules of law it's just you know reports so uh he goes the judge takes a couple weeks to decide and this judge wallace says he believes that an impartial jury can be found in this in this uh county and can be seated uh, the juries, they wanted the trial moved to another county. He said that the question of a change of venue would be relevant only if they couldn't seat a jury. He said, let's try to seat a jury first, and if we only get three people that don't know what's going on, then we can change venue. That seems fair, I guess.

That seems ballsy. It seems like possibly a waste of time. How about we just move it now and we know uh so the during the trial they they bring in good jesus christ i mean all of this evidence the toolbox and the campsite all the shit he's got the ozark brand tent and the ozark brand tent box all of this different shit uh the shells that everything they found a knife stuck in the ground next to a tree now the defense attorney jumped on that and said many of these items are common and could belong to anybody it's the woods yeah i mean people go in there uh so they said the knife they said to the to the guy on the stand the crime scene guy so there's nothing connecting that particular knife

to this crime it's just a knife found in the woods. And the guy said, I guess. I mean, how the fuck do we know if it's been used for whatever? If he washed it off, it's just a knife. We have no idea. But he has other knives, and he also has all that other shit and her blood in his car. That's a weird one. That one's heavy. Hair ID and shit mixed in with his stuff.

All these handcuffs, they match the size. All the shit that matches. It's a lot. It's just a lot. The Hutton guy. Remember Hutton? in with his stuff uh all these handcuffs they match the side all the shit that matches it's it's it's a lot it's just a lot uh the hutton guy remember hutton yeah from 1971 who ran for his life his girlfriend was raped he gets to testify oh they bring him into this bad boy oh boy he says when i read in the paper about the lady's death it had me so upset i just knew he did it and that it could have been me he said i just had to relive it all again it was so bizarre a nightmare you couldn't imagine afterwards i became a recluse

a zombie i couldn't leave my parents house for a year yeah the fear just took over this incident by the way destroyed his life oh i'm sure in 71 and then he had to come back 25 years later and talk about it in open court again which is the kid that survived the fucking zodiac yeah that's what i mean it's exactly what it is he's that guy he's was that mcpoil i don't know his name why mc from the always sunny oh mcpoil one of the mcpoils wasn't he i think that was oh you're talking about uh mind hunter yeah the guy that survived btk right that was btk oh it was you're right i was thinking about the kid that survived getting shot by the zodiac and another i'm crossing over both of them got both of them so i'm crossing over true crime shows both of them fucked up they fuck yeah so they get uh dr frank joseph

paredi on the stand yeah he says you fucking bastards he comes on he's got a little bit of a little bit of sauce from the rigatoni he had for lunch on his chin right on the beard he's how he's doing up there? Winks at the ladies. He's the associate medical examiner and forensic pathologist at the Arkansas State Crime Laboratory. He is testifying on behalf of

Jerry here. He says that there's no way of knowing given the condition of the victim's body whether she was killed within 24 hours of last being seen. He says it's also not possible to determine whether the knife wounds to the victim were inflicted before or after death. And he stated that it was not possible to determine what was the cause of death in this case because the doctor, Harlan, did not allow him to remove the soft tissue from the neck bones.

He was not able to positively determine how remove the soft tissue from the neck bones. He was not positive, able to positively determine how the head was separated from the body. He says also the incision to the victim's chest was very smooth and that the bones exhibited some tool marks. And on cross examination, he also said that they basically that there there's different opinions about how the head was removed, but the head was fucking removed. Do you agree with that? Is there a head? No. That was it. All right.

Was it removed by a human or an animal? And he said, it's probably an animal. We just don't know exactly what. And he goes, all right, then that's what we're talking about. Because you can't agree on exactly what knife did it is really pretty fucking irrelevant here. We have this asshole and we think he did it. The defense also introduces evidence. We have this asshole and we think he did it. The defense also introduces evidence.

This is so silly that Jenny was being prescribed Prozac in April and September of 95 and that she suffered severe drug overdoses in 1990 and 1985, 1983, 1982, 1980, 1978. That's a lot. But that's still five years before all this happened. And also presented testimony from a DNA expert who said that they couldn't conclude that it was the victim's blood inside the truck. Now, being having several drug overdoses, one, two, three, four, five, six in 12 years, as rough as that is, it does not make your head pop off. No, you jump into a shallow grave and field dress yourself. Usually. Usually.

Because the hard thing is once you're field dressing yourself, it's hard to get your head off. Because you've already died. So one of those things. And you certainly can't get the head first. No. That would be impossible. You'd have to set it up so you could see. It would be difficult.

That's what I mean. It's asinine. It's fucking asinine man it's absolutely asinine so the defense presents evidence he's like they're like it's all circumstantial all it is is circumstantial uh they're said that uh uh you know they tried to make it sound like the two truck the tires that were punctured on jenny's truck uh that means that he didn't do it for some reason, but they were like, that kind of means he did do it, actually. We're more likely to believe he did do it at that point. I mean, even if this is a circumstantial case...

It's pretty fucking strong. Also, give me a circumstance where all of that shit is together. Yeah, that's what I mean. I mean, other than because you fucking murdered her. If he didn't have the, you have the left half to the broken heart necklace of every fucking right half in his truck and in his goddamn campsite, it would be a different story.

If it wasn't everything, if it was just the tent and the box, it'd be okay. If your handcuff key didn't match the cuffs, if your box doesn't match the fucking... 2,500 feet away. What a coincidence. And your shells went through that gun weird right fucking super weird just tell us what happened it's yeah the uh the defense

defense pathologist also complained that the quantity of alcohol and prozac in her body should have been determined because obviously if you drink alcohol and prozac together it again makes your head pop off and you feel dress yourself. It's a really don't do it. It's weird. You'll just be walking down the street. Your head will pop off your body. Your chest will come open and your organs will spill out.

Your left hand will jump off. It's why you sign a waiver when they prescribe. It's exactly right. It happens all the time here. The defense also introduces all these medical records reflecting her hospitalization, both for drug and alcohol abuse and for depression. And they attempted to show that Jenny may have died from an overdose of alcohol and Prozac. Holy hell.

She has no fucking head. Her body is cut from fucking neck to navel. She's in a grave. In a fucking underground. She did not dig that shit herself no what is happening so i'm at this like what do you what do you do where are we yeah what are we talking about there's a lawyer there's a guy who went to law school standing in front of a bunch of adult people dressed in nice clothes right they're best for fucking court saying that

she could have died that way and that wouldn't be his fault what uh yeah she could have died in a car accident also wouldn't have been his fault oh my it's it's ridiculous but the fact is that didn't happen that's not what happened defense expert admits uh that she had no independent examination or analysis and was only reviewing the other lab's findings. So at the conclusion here, the jury goes to the jury, and they come back with a verdict. All sorts of guilty. Fuck, you're just super guilty.

We're rubbing the stank on the guilty. Is there like a guilty plus some, like a guilty squared? Can we give them aggravated guilty? Like to the third power or something? Can we put a guilty plus sum? Like a guilty squared? Can we give him aggravated guilty? Like to the third power or something? Can we put a multiplier up there? Is that possible? I feel like that's the only way this is going to really count the way we want it to. Can we do malicious guilt?

Can we do that? Can we give him that? Can we give him malicious assholery on top of murder and sexual assault and whatever else? Is there malicious aggravated assholery guilt is that that one is that a thing well they find first degree premeditated murder that's it and aggravated kidnapping that's the one we go to the sentencing penalty phase here and uh he is absolutely just fucking primely eligible for the death penalty here just in the he's in the together he's right in the trademark right in the sweet spot like if you hit a home run with the death penalty here. He's right in the trademark, right in the sweet spot.

If you hit a home run with his death penalty, you wouldn't even feel it in your hands. And you hit a ball real well. It just sails. Yeah, you're just like, ooh. You hit a golf ball, you hit it perfectly. Holy shit. Whoa, did I even get it?

Oh, I hit it 300 yards. It's one of those here. I did not miss it. Right down the fairway, look at it bounce. Boom. Yeah. So they talk about all of his previous convictions for assault and battery and intent to commit rape and crimes against nature and felonious sexual battery and assault and battery with

intent to ravish and have unlawful carnal knowledge of a female over the age of 12 years old. That's a charge. My God. Carnal knowledge. Yeah. Assault and battery with intent to ravish and have unlawful carnal knowledge of a female over the age of 12 years old.

That was 1976. That was a charge. Yeah. Yeah. It had been on the books a long time. That's a while. Nobody said ravish a long time. It's going to ravish unless it's Rick.

Unless it's Rick. And then if it is, they go, you know what, Rick, you go for it, mister. You go for it because she looks like she's into it that's what i'm saying she actually is she's coming over to you rick it's fine she is you're cool this is the very first time i've actually seen it she's asking she just took her pants off rick she's not only she no verbally she said rick give it to me please you beautiful man. She is indeed asking for it. The state also presents testimony regarding the mutilation of the body. They're like, that'll piss you off, right?

They try to get some mitigating evidence in here as well. They talk about how his younger brother was killed in Vietnam, and that was very hard on him. His coworkers all testify that he has good work ethic and he's quiet and kind and has a nice, even temperament. Also, a reverend testified that he had a genuine concern for others and he can make a productive contribution to the prison environment. I don't care. I don't give a shit. They brought his mother up there, his minister, all these people. His mother said as a child he lived with his grandparents and didn't complete school because he was always in trouble with the law she said he was a quiet boy who had very few friends he had no contact with his father throughout his life he has been in the he spent about two years in central

state hospital for mental problems and her his mother also testifies about how badly he taken his younger brother's death in vietnam and how he even helped her out at home now her coke line doesn't he just sits around here drinking cokes right now he's helping her help so much helping her next uh like i said his co-workers said he's a considerate man uh they they said that they found his involvement with a murder inconsistent with his behavior that he's exhibited around them which that means he hasn't murdered anyone around you that says he's good at this yeah that means even more terrifying more terrifying because yeah i would rather have somebody that just always looks murdery right like

he just looks like he's gonna kill somebody was like you know i really like that he scared the shit out of me every day that's that's but he was always good at work we all knew he was guilty of something that's something we all knew like if you of something. That's something. We all knew. Like if you turned out to kill a bunch of people, you're a frightening sociopath because, you know what I mean? I'm really good at blending in. You're really good at it. Yeah. So, wow.

The minister described him as passive, everything like that. They said that he was interested in the books of of the bible and all had a very big openness to learning new things including how to field dress a human right uh now uh they said that uh he says his pastor says that uh that he doesn't think jerry would be a threat in prison and he would instead participate in work and educational programs so they don't think the death penalty is right for him uh but the jury decides you sir yeah may fuck off death penalty for you sir they go you know what we don't really give a shit but he's a nice guy at work i don't care he's kind of a dick when he's not at work so he makes coffee big fucking deal yeah i don't care so he takes the last cup and then refills the pot don't care not mine don't give us he good he's not you mean he hasn't murdered raped and

field dressed a woman at church shocking so that means he's fine put money in your collection plate that is amazing now uh so uh post-trial here uh um they uh talked to her daughter who is 20 years old at the time whose daughter uh this is uh jenny's daughter we talked to jenny's daughter who's 20 years old and uh she says that you know it wasn't an idyllic life with her mom her mom had a drinking problem she said quote you go through different emotions with parents mom certainly wasn't the best parent but it got to the point right before she was killed i was in college it was more of an adult conversation she knew to come around when things were good and when things were bad not to uh to not come around at all she said uh despite all the issues i know she loved us she wanted to be a good mom uh maybe she said that uh maybe my mom would be alive maybe she

would have uh have experienced more sobriety maybe she would have gotten to meet her son-in-law and future grandkids no one deserves to be killed in the way my mother was killed and no family deserves to have constantly uh to live through the horror uh through for as it goes on so this is uh yeah obviously they're they're upset about this whole thing now he appeals this i'm clearly it's a death penalty thing here it's automatic it's automatic here now the appeal first is on the uh his main issues are non-change of venue saying he should have had a change of venue and he's saying that uh uh that the two of the jurors joy anderson and myra sensing admitted during their you know opening juror questioning here the wadir of the jurors that they had some connection with jenny and or her family oh what they knew somebody because that's why you have to have a change of venue

because they have a hospital. Everybody knows them. They all know the family. It's a very well-known, so many people have worked for them, worked with them, know them from events and things. Have a brother that works there.

Anything. It's a family. So much, yeah. And what it is, is this Joy Anderson, her younger brother was a friend of Jenny's son. There you go. So they're connected. It's a small town, wherever, you know, whatever. Because this Joy Anderson, her younger brother, was a friend of Jenny's son. There you go.

So they're connected. It's a small town, whatever. So also the Myra Sensing, her mother's boss from 20 years ago was Jenny's aunt. So there's certain connections. Now, despite these facts, though, they both affirmatively stated that their associations would not affect their ability to be impartial, which is bullshit. If I know somebody or my younger brother was friends with somebody's son and they killed him, I'm like, that guy's a fucking dick. I'm mad. I'm more mad than a juror should be. A juror should be impartial.

They should be a flat, you know, this table, man. They should be. And the other side's true. Also, if if they are friends with that person or associated with them and fucking don't like him and that guy murdered him and they owed him two grand or something like that, good. That guy deserved to be killed. I want to bring in like eight people from the, 12 people from the Netherlands that don't know any of us or anything that's going on and they're just aliens and you put them down

and you go, hey, fucking, this is the facts. What do you think? Well, it seems logical that this is that. That's it. So, yeah, they said they would do that. They said that the appeal court said that they find no reason to believe otherwise that it would have happened. Now, when they asked the when asked by his counsel, Jerry's counsel about her exposure to publicity, another juror or no, it was the sensing myra sensing the same one of the two she said she remembered reading that jerry quote had been sent to a psychiatrist

and that he wasn't mentally stable before she said i think i remember reading that he had been a sex offender before uh but she said she does not always believe what she reads in the papers so she can be fair and the other part is we're about to tell her that uh yeah sex offender but the fact that it has to be told to her in the way that the court allows not the way that just the because newspapers had his whole criminal history that one said it called the jerry davidson file oh no and it had all of his arrests and you know it was a fucking it was laid out can you imagine having that oh jesus christ and you're looking at that thanks shit i haven't raped and tried to murder and

maliciously stab anybody even if i'm not up for murder at the moment i don't want that all my stats of my worst things that i've done my worst stupidest days and shit like that uh yeah she uh but the the the uh jerry had already used all of his challenges, so they couldn't challenge her on this basis. And the trial judge chose not to remove her from the panel. So this juror got on here. So now there's like two. She read some shit in the paper, and she's connected to Jenny. So this juror is tainted, in my opinion.

Very tainted. They said that, yeah, they do end up saying that the jury still seemed to be impartial, and it's all good, basically. Okay. Either way, there's nothing in there that showed. They said that he had waived his rights on this particular issue because he, I guess, it says he must offer a challenge or offer to challenge additional prospective juror to complain on it. Basically, you have to say something. And they didn't really say anything about it. Now, 2014, there's an appeal for ineffective assistance of counsel. He's saying here that, you know, his convictions have been upheld before.

So they're saying he's 71 years old at this point, by the way. Yeah. held before uh so they're saying he's 71 years old at this point by the way yeah uh so they said uh in this opinion the the it's about mitigating evidence they're saying that the court that his attorneys didn't present enough mitigating evidence of his mental illness basically because they he put a lot of people on the stand all his co-workers his fucking priest his mom they got it that's a pretty decent mitigating what he did is is so terrible, that's as best as you can do from what they did. You got to put your closest to you and let them all talk. Yeah.

Apparently, they said, though, that they didn't give enough mitigating evidence of his diminished mental functions when he was sentenced to the death penalty. And so the court says, appeals court counsel in capital case possessed evidence that their client suffered from severe lifelong cognitive impairments and personality disorders that he was predisposed to sexual violence. We find that under the circumstances of this case, defense's counsel failure to develop and present psychological mitigation evidence deprived their client of his right to effective assistance of counsel. We uphold the client's conviction. We vacate his death sentence and remand him for new capital sentencing hearing. So 2016, this comes about, and it's a new sentencing hearing. And basically, everybody ends up agreeing to not go through an entire trial here.

Just commute it. Just commute it. And his sentence is commuted to life in prison without the possibility of parole. And then an extra 25 years for kidnapping, which would be conserved, served consecutively to his life sentence. So once he's dead, 25 more years of being behind there. Yeah, it's good. I'm happy about that. He's 72.

Yeah. So it's coming soon that's basically it they coming this fall his death yeah his death uh what the state says is they had decided to do it this way and just offer him this because they said he's 72 years old to resentence him to death that then starts his appeals process all over oh god he's going to be dead before the appeals are up and and it's going to be costly to keep saying we're going to execute him when we know he's going to be dead before we can execute him so what's the point we're going to execute yeah he's going to die in prison some time it's just yeah he's he's going to

die in his cell before he dies in the chair basically so that's fine the district attorney says that uh it brings finality to the case because part of this is no more appeals yeah this is a fucking deal that you made and that's it uh now the family quote believes davidson deserves the death penalty but uh uh many of the prosecution's witnesses have also died since then there's been half the witness list is dead it's 20 years later right so there's a bunch of dead people there's people who've done diminished mental capacity, all sorts of dead people. So it would have been a mess of a trial to put on. Certainly.

Absolutely. And, you know, so they said, they said, quote, Today's verdict terminates the appellate process and assures the family and community that Jerry Ray Davidson will remain incarcerated within the Tennessee Department of Corrections until his natural death. So that's good. They included an impact statement from Jenny's daughter where she said she and her family are in full support of a plea agreement for a life sentence, but they believe the initial death sentence was just inappropriate. Now, they said they quote only the practical circumstances which would make the defendant unlikely to live long enough to receive the death penalty cause us to ask you to enforce the new sentence of life without plus 20 years so they said uh the prosecutor the daughter said that davidson's life sentence will never equate equate to justice uh she also she's a nurse in chicago now the daughter as of 2016 uh she said that uh just a family was very glad to end the 20 years of court proceedings. She says she still has unanswered questions here. She's in court speaking directly to Davidson now.

She gets to talk right at him for the first time. And she says she asked him why he picked her mother as a victim, why he cut her head off, and where did he put it. She also, did she suffer, she asked, and did she die quickly? And why did he put it uh she also uh did she suffer he she asked and did she die quickly and uh why did he cut open her body all questions a word that you would want to know she says quote these are all questions i never expect you to answer she talked about all the you know birthdays and life events that their kids that they've that she's missed she says uh quote his depravity haunts us all which is an amazing fucking line at one point he looked away from her and she stopped what she was saying and

said sternly quote i'm still talking to you fuck yeah yeah get this motherfucker's attention i'm here sir we got all fucking day guess what they will have them hold your fucking head and look at me if they have i have to here which uh i'm still talking to you uh she said that she told him she still thinks the death penalty would be appropriate she referred to him as a monster and said that they agreed to the sentence just to close the case and she said this sentence will never be totally adequate justice and she says that she wants davidson's quote every waking moment to be as miserable as possible and she believes that he will get what he deserves in the end.

And so there he is, rotting away as an elderly man in prison, hopefully having his food stolen from him by younger, tougher inmates and shit like that. That's what I'm hoping. I have a question for you. I'm hoping a 25-year-old man face fucks him on a regular basis. Just a huge guy. While taking half of his food. But while eating his food food just face fucks him

knocks all his teeth out first too i hate this asshole pushing like a shitty old bologna into his cornbread while he pushes his shitty old bologna into his cornbread into his whatever the fuck all of that question yes if you do this let's just say you're a depraved human being okay which do you want life or or death i guess life i don't know no no that's just so complicated the whole process is it so it's just hassle you gotta go to court all the time i don't know all these appeals death oh you don't have to you can just be like no appeals i just don't like the attention then i'd have to fucking there'd be a big kerfluffle at the execution. You could do a quiet.

No, you can't. I think you could. No, you'd have to kill yourself in prison, I think, is the only way to go out. Well, do that. You might be right. That's the only way to go. I think I want death. Otherwise, they're going to do a bunch of people showing up.

I'm too little for that shit. Reporters are going to have to talk to people. My family's going to show up. It's going to be like Christmas Eve. I can't deal with that. I can't live with that, Jimmy. It's too much. I'm going to be in there with the pumps and the and the kool-aid smeared on my lips yeah yeah you're too small i'm too little i have sweet pea tattooed on my chest

it's over you're in trouble it's not it's not working that's rough man that's a rough that's a rough thing i just have to get locked up on the east coast where there's some italian guys that i can hang out with that's be it because i'd have a hard time it's a wrap for me i'm not hanging out with the the fucking white supremacist guys but then i can't hang out with the other guys clearly because i don't look like am i then i'm different guys just leave me alone i just want to be left by myself it's not going to work so that is dixon tenn, and that is Small Town Murder. Wowza. That's an interesting, crazy, goddamn.

I can't believe that's on news. That's what I mean. That's not a giant story. There should be 12 podcasts about that. Crazy. None that I could find anyway. I mean, I always look it up to see. I couldn't find any.

So I always make sure that we're not copying another one. So I don't know. Whatever. Somebody else did it. You're not popular enough for me to find you. i don't know sorry sorry about that get more listeners and then fucking you'll matter to me and then we won't do your show and then we won't yeah we'll know who you are to look to see if your shows are on there but otherwise i don't know even if they did i'm sure they didn't do it this well let's be honest here let's be realistic yeah but uh no people

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I can't because they have made our lives completely different. They make it so we can turn down terrible ads that we don't want to do. You know how many times they ask us to do dick pills? Do you want us to sit here and go, get your dick hard with this? But you don't want that. You know what I mean? They ask us to do like financial service shit. And I'm like, I'm not. We don't know anything about money.

We don't know if this is good. And we're not going to direct our people to something that might be bad for them. And even like they would try to get us to do like the blue e-cigarettes in the last one. And they forced us into doing one one time. And we didn't want to do that. We have fucking kids that listen to the show. As crazy as that sounds, there's like teenagers that listen to this show. And we don't want to make bad decisions later in life. That's fine. But I want to fucking show. As crazy as that sounds, there's like teenagers that listen to this show and we don't want... If you want to make bad decisions

later in life, that's fine. We don't want to fucking encourage you. I'm not going to give you a promo code to do it with. Give you a 25% off a bad start. That's not fucking smart. I can't do that shit. That's what I'm saying. You guys make it so we don't have to take that bullshit.

We literally only take ads of things that we think... We have a two-pronged thing that it has to go through. A, we have to take that bullshit. We literally only take ads of things that we think, we have a two-pronged thing that it has to go through. A, we have to think it's good. If we don't think it's good, we're not going to put it out. Period.

We're just not, if I say that's a stupid thing, we're not doing it. I'm not going to sit here and go, it's really great and you really need it when it's a pile of shit. I'm not going to do that

and neither is Jimmy. And then the second thing is we have to think that you'll be interested in it. We have to think our audience wants that from us. And it has to go through that process. That's why some shows of our length and that have our amount of listeners, you'll hear a lot more commercials on.

It's because we fucking turned down 98% of the commercials because of you guys, because of this list of wonderful people, our producers who help us out. And you can be one of these producers and be one of these heroes who keeps dick pill commercials off of your favorite podcast. You can do that by going to Patreon dot com slash crime in sports or head over to PayPal and use our email address. Crime in sports at Gmail dot com. You can do that. You can go to both those places right from ShutUpAndGiveMeMurder.com And by the way, every couple

weeks or so we put out some bonus small town murder. Usually about a 35 minute episode and we do it the town takes like 5 minutes. And it's always an insane story. It's always as much as you can pack into a half hour. It's always a blockbuster of a

half hour show or 35 minutes. You'll blast through it. Yeah, pack into a half hour. It's always a blockbuster of a half hour show or 35 minutes. You'll blast through it. You'll blast through it. Yeah, it's a fast thing. I think that's at the $5 level or whatever. But you guys do so much. They're juicy and crazy. And Jimmy, I need to hear it this week.

Before I get on this plane to Kansas City, I need to feel good. Tell me about the people who I love this week right now. This week's executive producers are chrissy and castaldi back again thank you chrissy and you're so fantastic thank you christine conklin uh kristen right christopher the ks and the kr in the beginning kri or cri and hri in the beginning of their name is always terrific thank you and then christopher dobronsky too yeah that's what i mean i heard the beginning of that one. I'm like, it's all... Hilda Straley.

And then Jordan Bennett and Simon are celebrating their 15-year anniversary. So good for you, too. And she's celebrating by coming to our fucking show. Can't wait. She's dragging his ass from Canada to come see a live show for their anniversary. Amazing. Thank you. See you then.

And Simon's such a sweet dude. He's going to compromise his own sanity uh for something that his wife fucking loves that's amazing thank you he does it repeatedly he does other producers this week are thomas smith jeremy phillips brian pride no price uh nicole turner who i once fucked her last name up terribly turner i ruined that to like hacker or something how you do that amanda stanford uh aaron aaron dalton talisha welker andrea webster amanda morrison ryan benner uh jennifer uh jennifer ballin nolan nolan reaganweather yeah uh ashley vo she sent us a video of her kid spelling oh that's the best it's a great video we're gonna try and use that somewhere it's the funniest fucking thing in the world he's spelling the pillow so happily yeah carol braun who

she's been around since like near day one she's coming to kc can't wait to see you uh daniel uh no daniel daniel feliciano fucking italian nailed it uh jesse hartmanman, Jessica Nottingham, Brittany Herzog, John Austin, Abdul John, Jake McClendon, Kim Radisky. She donated a couple of times. Thank you, Kim. Thank you. Dave Wiley. No, David Wiley.

Laura Peck, Scott McDonald, Michelle Miller, who drove from Flagstaff to see the show. Oh, yeah. Thanks. She's terrific. That was cool. Thanks, Michelle. Nice to see you. And happy birthday.

Good to meet Oh, yeah, thanks. She's terrific. That was cool. Thanks, Michelle. Nice to see you. And happy birthday. Good to meet you, yeah. Kiana Urata, Gary Howard, David Monteith, Michelle Kiern, Peyton Meadows, Kennedy Drigger, Deanna Jones, Amy Coleman, Justin Reeder, Dylan Sullivan, Reagan Shalkley. Reagan, thank you very much again. And then Bear Bus Rescue Transport. I'm not sure what that is. It's not rescuing bears either because it's B-A-R-E. Yeah, okay. Linda Boardman.

Wendy McGath. She donated both ways. Thank you. Thank you, Wendy. Michelle Wallace. Barbara Lamica. Yeah, no, Lamca. I don't know what I did.

Kyrie Campbell. Shane with no last name. Lauren Demerath. Chloe Carlson. Chelsea Shoff. And Jordan Shoff, Dylan Stumpf, Amanda Allen, Brittany Boltman, Ronnie Kumar, Justin Redding, Jennifer Luciana, Luciani, Lansiani. God damn it. That's that Italian shit I can't get. Kara Barcroft, Kimberly White, Suzanne Palmer, no, Susan Palmer,

Krista Walker, Kim Shang, Sean Turner, Kayleen Kirsch, Dita Vasquez, Hyena, no, Hyena, Hyena, Hyena Brandt, Bryant, god damn it, Jacqueline Donaldson, Vroom Vroom, Asia, with no last name, Justin Miller, Justin Finley, Josette with an S, no last name, Sonny Johansson, Andrea Johnson, george alston anthony canella blair uh blair durham isabella sorenson uh bonnie klein ebj callie cat uh robin anderson lauren higby uh camille mendez homestretch kinda uh danielle denning angela jones kelly connell uh connell o'connell god damn it kelly o'connell patrick the irish names are tough too they're brutal uh john john cena's brother patrick uh dana coniff conifton conifton coniton nope uh mike mikey giovanna Mikey Giovanna Garcia, Giovanni, Emily Lancaster, Mark Piotrowski, Ryan Harold, Erica DeBout,

Caitlin Bissell, William with no last name, Anastasia, what? It's not Anastasia. Puts you to sleep. Bergmeier, Alyssa Nurnberger uh shit laura laura pearl lisa sylva gnali uh-huh uh sydney beetle melissa spears casey lock zachary tixson no dixon uh laura laura sorwick no sonic what is that i don't know You wrote it. Ryan with no last name. Kendra Grannis. Rihanna Boatwright.

Bollard Bow. No, Zoe. Jacqueline D. No last name, just D. Julia McCormick. Ruth Wheeler. Amanda Maldonado. Maldonado.

That's one. It could be either way. Yeah. I don't know what that is. Melanie Cottingham. Alex Strong. Reagan Dermbleff. Melanie Cottingham. Alex Strong. Reagan Dermbleff. Dermdebleff.

Dermdebley. That was a mess. Katerina Cagle. Oh, Jesus. That's a brutal last name. Katerina Pussy Push-Ups. Yeah. Pussy Flex.

Amanda Phillips. Andrew Bionin. Carol Hayden, Jesse Dugan, Warren Back, Candace Harris, Corey Patterson, Sasha with no last name, Robert with no last name, Nick Todd, Chris Den. No, Du. Chris Du. Ashley Bretain or Britain. It's probably Bretain. Linda Fitch, Julie Benoit, Michelle Rogers, Stephen Bailey, Brittany Schwind, Laura Otto, Alyssa Mulligan, Spencer Gaynor, Becca and Bobby, Dakota Hawk, H-O-C-Q. Nope, I'm not trying that.

I think it's Hawk, right? Hawk. Hawk you. Hawk you. Bless you. Yeah. It's Hawk, right? Hawk you.

Hawk you. Bless you. Yeah. Amber. Amber quarter. Emily Thompson. Katie Carroll. Samuel Hernandez. And Sala.

No. Sala. Sala Jaden. And all of our Patreon supporters, of course. You guys are amazing. Thank you. Thank you, everybody, from the bottom of our cold black hearts. We cannot thank you enough for everything you've done from your donations

to getting your tickets and buying t-shirts and you guys just support the show and you really make us feel like we should keep coming back and doing it all the time and not stop, basically. So, Jimmy,

what if they wanted to thank you or tell you something or call you a dickhead or anything like that? How could they do that? You can find me at WisemanSucks, W-H-I-S-M-A-N

Sucks on Twitter and Instagram and Snapchat. And not to give you guys too much goddamn credit, but by listening to the show and supporting the live shows like you have, and thank you for selling these out so fast and so consistently. You're also giving us the opportunity

to give you guys shows on weekend nights and in good venues in nice neighborhoods. By listening to the show and coming to these, you're helping us book better shows in better places. So thank you for all of that. Where can they find you? Well, if they'd like to decapitate and field dress me, they can find me over at JimmyPIsFunny,

or they can copy and paste my last name from the show description and look me up that way. It's a little bit easier. Either way, this one's been a goddamn doozy. Oh, boy. It's been a wild episode. Either way, this one's been a goddamn doozy. Oh, boy. It's been a wild episode, and we have to get on the road. We have to go catch planes and then get back here, but we will be back here next week.

Until next week, everybody, it's been our pleasure. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Hey, Prime members, you can listen to Small Town Murder early and ad-free on Amazon Music. Download the Amazon Music app today. Or you can listen early and ad-free with Wondery Plus and Apple Podcasts. Before you go, tell us about yourself by completing a short survey at wondery.com slash survey.