Small Town Murder - #145 - Killing, Cover Up & A LOT of Sex Toys in Fremont, New Hampshire

Episode Date: November 14, 2019

This week, in Fremont, New Hampshire, when a woman, who also happens to be an out of state fugitive, goes missing, police are baffled, until an expected source leads them to something small... which leads to something much bigger. As the layers of this onion are peeled away, every detail is more shocking, horrifying, and somehow hilarious than the last. When the whole story is out in the open, all you can do is shake your head in amazement!! Along the way, we find out that snowmobiles aren't just for snow anymore, just how many sex toys is too many sex toys, and that a cemetery is apparently a good place to bury a newly murdered victim!!Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman New episodes every Thursday! Donate at: patreon.com/crimeinsports or go to paypal.com & use our email: [e-mail] Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder & Crime In Sports! Follow us on... twitter.com/@murdersmall facebook.com/smalltownpod instagram.com/smalltownmurder Also, check out James & Jimmie's other show, Crime In Sports! On iTunes, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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So if anything, it's the $5 or above level. That's to say thank you to you guys. Also, our voicemail, if you want to leave a voicemail, is 602-759-0606. Questions, comments, whatever you want. We kind of go over them sometimes on bonus episodes. We like to address them. So we'll address that stuff there and uh we got to do the disclaimer quickly uh very quickly uh this is a comedy show yeah it's a comedy podcast we're comedians we're going to make jokes uh there will be death and murder and we're going to talk about it we're going to make

jokes all around it and find what's funny but what we don't do is we try not to make fun of the victims or the victim's family why would we do that because we're assholes is we try not to make fun of the victims or the victim's family. Why would we do that? Because we're assholes, but we're not scum. There you go. That's how it works. So if that sounds good to you, man, are we going to have a good time. If you don't think that death and comedy should ever mix in any way, shape, or form. No, this is not for you. It's not for you.

It's not the real world. No. If you ever watch a homicide detective, they're not going to show up and go, oh, no, oh, there's another body. They're going to show up and make jokes. And we don't even do that. We're not making a joke about a dead person. But, you know, if you think oh, no, oh, there's another body. They're going to show up and make jokes. And we don't even do that. We're not making a joke about a dead person. But, you know, if you think they shouldn't go together, it's not good. But if you want to have a good time and sit back and just hear a crazy story,

some jokes around it, well, then I think it's time. I think it's time to sit back and shout, shut up and give me murder. Let's do this, Jimmy. I am looking forward to it. Let's go on a trip. Okay. Shall we? Oh, let's do it.

All right. We were in Iowa. Yeah. We're going all the way up to New Hampshire. It's cold. This week it's cold, as you know, up there. We're going to Fremont, New Hampshire. Okay.

Fremont, New Hampshire. It's southeastern New Hampshire, kind of a little outside of Manchester. Oh. In that area. I'm familiar. You're familiar with that area. It's not the panhandle. No. There's a panhandle up top. Ithandle up top tip up at the tip but it's off you could use it to pick new hampshire up with i would say if it was like a you know a cracker with some stuff on it there's a piece

it's almost a pizza it's almost a b yeah it's almost a slice that's the area you might hold it pick it up by down there in the southeastern part of it. It's about 35 minutes to Concord, New Hampshire. Concord. Concord. About an hour twice. Concord, I don't care. I know. What those people say up there.

About an hour. It's hilarious because they will argue. Yeah, have fun. So will the people in Arizona going, it's Prescott, not Prescott. You know anybody named Skitt? Who's S-C-O-T-T? Hi, Skitt.

How's it? No, that's Scott, you dumb shit. We're not doing this. Not arguing pronunciations of established words. If you make up your own word, fine. But if it's already a word, you don't get to pronounce it differently just because you're from there. That's not how it works.

Tell the grapes. Yeah. Sorry. Tell the grapes. They're not conquered grapes. No, they're not. Wipe your ass with some Skits toilet paper while you're at it. No.

They aren't called Scottles. No. They're called Skittles. That's right. Damn it. Thank you. So it's an hour 20 to Boston if you want to go someplace better. It's only 15 minutes from Epping, which is our last New Hampshire episode, which is,

if you remember, the crazy farm. Oh, boy. Sheila. Oh, boy. That's wild. I've been to that town. It's wild. You, which is our last New Hampshire episode, which is, if you remember, the crazy farm. Oh, boy. Sheila. Oh, boy. That's wild. I've been to that town. It's wild. You should check that out.

That's not far from here at all. No, it's not. It's like one of the next towns over. It's in this region. I've been there. Right there. It's in Rockingham County. 03044 is the zip code.

Area code 603. It's about 17 square miles. It's a big area. As you know, it's pretty rural out there. New Hampshire is not an urban state. No. New Hampshire and Vermont are like it's super strange. They refuse

to be cities. No, they do. There's laws in Vermont about how certain towns, chain places can't go there. Yeah, like you can't open a Home Depot in certain towns in Vermont because they have. Is that right? Absolutely, yeah.

They have ordinances against chains so people can have mom and pop stores and shit. It works for them. I understand. It works in a small scale like that because they don't have a lot of people. When you have little cities of 4,000, 5,000 people, you can have crazy laws that work for everybody. But that doesn't work if you have 30 million people. Right, but if you like to have. that doesn't work if you have 30 million people right but if you want if you like to have doesn't work in la right if you want the tax dollars in the place to expand a little bit you got to give them a fucking reason to that's true but i don't

think they want to they'd rather just have you sell i'll buy a hammer from you and then you have money for the hammer and i'll sell you nails yeah why the hell do we need their tax money when we can just have our whatever and then we'll pay taxes at the fuck Home Depot. That's crazy. They get tax breaks and not pay anything anyway. That's the problem with these things. I got friends that live in rural places, though, and they're like, I got to get online and buy this thing. I'm like, why don't you run down to the store and pick that up?

They're like, oh, we don't have that. Oh, yeah. Are you out of your fucking mind? Yeah, the rural places. Move to where it does. Yeah, move to where things are, as we say a lot. We got that shit all over the city. Yeah, but what do you know?

People like to live in the middle of nowhere. What did they do 30 years ago? That's a good point. Sit there with catalog city. Yeah, but what do you know? People like to live in the middle of nowhere. What did they do 30 years ago? That's a good point. Sit there with catalogs. Yeah, you got a point. Calling their orders in. It'll mail to me. So Rockingham County, this area was first, Europeans first came here in 1623.

So super early. This is old school America here. The government here in this area was kind of linked with the massachusetts government and then new hampshire became a separate colony in 1679 after that they didn't have counties for another 100 years though uh and and is that right in new hampshire yeah they just kind of had this is new hampshire that's all woods no one's here so yeah that's a good point back then in the seven but if you break a law like the tip top, you got to go down wherever the courthouse is at? I assume they just shot you in the woods.

Probably. Back then, they just put you in a bear trap or something and made you hang from a tree until you bled out. I'm just thinking that's the whole reason for counties, right? Is to enforce the law. Yeah, they didn't have. Well, it's just an easier, smaller area. And then you can have your own. You can govern that.

Also, you can have your own laws. Maybe the people in the tip top don't have the same values that we'd have down here in the bottom corner. We enjoy the murder. Yeah, that's why all these counties are all different and have weird, different laws. Fremont was settled in the 1720s, this town. First, it was part of the town of Exeter, which we've talked about before. First, it was part of the town of Exeter, which we've talked about before. Apparently, this area was once famous for its heavy, heavy growth of eastern white pine trees,

which is a very big thing because these trees were used as masts by the British Royal Navy. Oh. So it's a big deal, these trees, actually. You run your sales up them. Yeah, you couldn't have like this was the the prime mast wood so this was a very high value place and all these trees were reserved for the royal navy like you couldn't just like start you know making houses out of these trees they'd be like oh no no that's it's for a fucking ship so our ships yeah our ships that's how the the original beef started the residents were like well we need to build our, and those are the trees that are here.

Right. What do you want us to do? It's like 1720. We can't bring trees in from Vermont exactly. That's going to be hard. You could just chop that down and then build a house in the place where the trees were. It really works out well if you're buying a place in the woods. We see it this way.

Yeah. And they were like, no, you can't use your own trees to construct your own houses. And they were like, no. And that caused some. We got rifles. Yeah. Let's settle this. That's what happened here.

Now, in 1734, a David Dunbar, who was the surveyor general, he visited the mill to inspect the lumber there to make sure they had the right amount of lumber. visited the mill to inspect the lumber there to make sure they had the right amount of lumber. And the local citizens assembled and fired shots at Dunbar until he left. Oh. So, yeah. These are some angry rednecks who want trees to build their houses, and they're not having this shit. I like it. They showed up, you know, rifles cocked.

Yeah. So Dunbar came back with ten men to, you know. Is that enough? He said, I have to count the trees. This is what I do. Damn it. So Dunbar's group with 10 men to, you know. Is that enough? He said, I have to count the trees. This is what I do, damn it. So Dunbar's group was attacked. Again, they didn't give a shit. And they ended up dispersing to a local tavern.

Okay. Now, the citizens, when they attacked these 10 men, they disguised themselves as Native Americans. Oh, that's fucked up. They came in blackface yeah they basically came in some like 1984 halloween costume that's going to be embarrassing to a gubernatorial candidate somewhere at some point and they showed up in that outfit and we're like they'll think the fucking indians did it yeah we'll shoot yeah because they all have the same rifles and they're like hey bob you shoot his british fucking ass i have the same rifles. And they're like, hey, Bob, you shoot his British fucking ass. I got him.

Yeah. You fucking. They'll think it's the Indians, right? Yeah. All right. Good. Nice. Nice jacket, Tonto.

I'll meet you over at Sully's when we're done. All right. All right. Have a good one. No, that's not. I think they did that. Ridiculous. This was known as the Mastree Riot.

Okay. This whole thing here. It's very famous. They have a plaque and a whole deal. Sounds like a band. Like a Mastree Riot. Mastree Riot. Yeah, it kind of does.

It's like a shitty garage band. It's a bad cover of... That plays that tavern on a Saturday. Oh, my God. So the town, they gave him the township here in 1764 the governor did it and named them poplin p-o-p-i-l-l-i-n p-o-p-l-i-n poplin uh in 1853 poplin uh petitioned the legislature to change its name because they're like it's stupid we're getting made fun of right so can we the next all the other towns are making fun of us it's right they're sending over bands of people dressed like native americans to make fun of us it's weird we know it's them they're

they're yelling at us in like a boston accent so we can tell who it is but they're just assholes kicking in high stephan and just calling us assholes it's never gonna stop let us change so in 1854 they became fremont after general john c fremont cool so there you go uh he was the first candidate of the republican party in the presidential election of 1856 okay so after the wigs disbanded and the republicans came and then lincoln was their candidate in 1860. Yeah. And then Lincoln was candidate in 1860, and he won. And then things are way different now. Way different. In these parties.

So it doesn't matter here. There's a town of Benton that is also named after Fremont's father-in-law, who was a senator. Wow. It's a deep family roster of old politicians. Bewigged old douchebags. You know what I mean? That's how it works. So they have a meeting house here that was built in 1800 that is still in perfect condition.

That's still there. It's in their National Register of Historic Places in the country, which is a big deal. The town was once home to the largest brickyard in the state. They made a lot of bricks. They produced five million bricks a year. That doesn't seem like that much. That doesn't seem like the same thing. Only a small amount.

I paused to let you jump in, and I wanted your opinion on it, because when I wrote this down, I went, that doesn't seem like a lot of bricks for the largest brick. Five million? A brick is not that big. And if you've seen buildings back there, it's a shitload of bricks. It's like a three-bedroom house that's a lot of bricks that's probably thousands that's a lot yeah with the five million from the largest they're going eight feet tall that's a shitload of bricks there are a lot of smaller brick yards i guess that are producing three million two

million and it all adds up they better supplement i'm not sure five eight five ain't cutting it no no not not these days there are buildings there, I swear to God, are a million bricks. They have to be. Gotta be. I would imagine, especially the old ones here, if it's like an old apartment building. There was also Spalding and Frost Cooperage, which they made barrels, and they were established in 1874. One of the oldest operating wooden barrel manufacturers in the country.

They still make barrels up there. Yeah. Really? Wine barrels and shit? I guess. Wine, yeah. Probably. Liquor. guess wine yeah liquor yeah barrels people use barrels for shit yeah people use them for planters people okay for you see barrels being used as a decorative thing i feel like there's only like i don't know if it's as much industrial use as i think it's probably only like 500 in circulation still no it's just couples walking through going that barrel's right we should cut that one in half that was so good like just if we put it in our

garden right so cut it in half when we could have like now we got two it's got the metal around it's kind of like my petunias in it it's rusty your mom will be so impressed so it's so rusty so yeah that's all i picture here uh there i looked all I picture here. I looked at these barrels. In 1976, I looked into these barrels, and this is ridiculous. They built, this company, Spalding and Frost Cooperage, built the largest barrel in the world. How big is that? Why? Who the fuck knows?

Just for the record, 15 feet high and 10 feet wide. That's as big as it got that's i think because there's no need to have a barrel any the whole point of a barrel is to be able to transport it because it's a barrel so you can roll it you can put it stack it what are you how are you going to transport a 15 foot i 10 foot wide barrel it defeats defeats the purpose of a fucking barrel at that i guess you could fill it with foam and roll that shit down niagara how do you stop it yeah well i mean, as like a... Once it gets going, we hope it stops someday.

Who's going to get in front of that once it gets momentum? It's ridiculous. I saw a picture of it. It's stupid and it's just dumb. And then a second barrel, they said, you know what? That's not dumb enough. In 1998, they said, let's do something stupider. And the Red Hook Brewery in Portsmouth built a barrel measuring 17 feet high and 8 feet wide.

Okay. Because that's even stupider. Useless. Useless. We have resident reviews, which always are very specific to their experiences we've seen. They're always just, they have a beef and they're going to air it out in this review. Real quick, the fact that we just found out about red hook building that barrel means it was pointless it means that red hooks uh marketing did not work because we were supposed to know because

there's a brewery it happened 20 years ago right we all should know that happened you ever see that barrel that was crazy right that's why nobody drinks your stupid fucking beer no so uh resident reviews here uh here's a three-star review this is the a good one here quote there are rare acts of vandalism such as breaking mailboxes but the police officers are responsive someone broke their mailbox yeah and they called the cops and they were there and they went things went well right that's absolutely what happened it's so they caught the little fucker that did it there's no perspective this isn't a reporter like going over the whole thing and giving you an overview this is literally that's the first line such as making breaking mailboxes that's the thing

you should be most aware of someone will break your mailbox once in a while uh we feel safe when we walk around the neighborhood except when neighborhood kids speed past our home right these are all the balls at our mailbox they speed past and break mailboxes so these are old people who are frightened by teenagers especially ones who have a blood lust for their mailbox i don't know what the hell's going on here a blood lust for felony mailbox oh boy you don't want to do that. Because that's super fucking illegal. And it's super stupid because it's still a mailbox. I destroyed one with my car one time by accident with my friends. And, boy, it had a planter on it and dirt rained down on the car like it was rain and

scared the shit out of me. It was amazing. But it was like on a 4x4 that was about two feet in the ground. I took it right out with an Oldsmobile. Tell you what, man. You got an 85 Oldsmobile Cutlass Sierra. That'll take a post right out of the ground i took it right out with an oldsmobile tell you what man you got 85 oldsmobile cutlass sierra that'll take a that'll take a post right out of the ground losing a finger did not deter me from explosives because we used to do it with dry ice bombs oh fun shit greatest time ever

yeah oh fuck i won't let's not get into bombs that we made when we were teenagers yeah this is a different time and uh the homeland security Security people, they didn't exist at that point. And if they did, they would have probably been more lenient to children. Whereas now, that'll be federal prison forever. You call me radicalized. For even having the thought. So, yeah, we weren't like,

this wasn't to hurt people. No. It was like, what if we put that piece of wood next to that? Would it blow it up? I don't know. Can you turn that? How much dry ice does it take

to turn that mailbox inside out? Yeah, things like that. Yeah, when you're a teenager. A lot. Stupid stuff. God, you're idiots. Don't ever do that. Don't.

Don't do that. If you're a child, just fucking be a kid. Jimmy has half a finger. I'm missing fingers because of this. Don't do it. So, okay. Neighborhood kids speeding past our home.

Homeowners keep up their houses and yards well. So, that's all. They don't go out of their... You know this is all about right around their house. They go walk to the end of the driveway, get their mail, see if their mailbox has been destroyed by unruly teenagers. If not... Check on the neighbor's grass.

Check the neighbor's grass. They go the fuck back inside. The area is dark and street lights are needed but many neighbors keep on outside lights literally it's just here's the report for my front porch my town here's the report from my street back to you ted if you live in my yard this is what's happening what's happening in ted and mary's yard let's go down to the scene. This is the greatest review ever. Well, I'm down at the scene. The mailbox is intact, so that's good.

The neighborhood kids are speeding around, but you know how that is. The yards are well kept. It is pretty dark, but most everyone keeps their lights on, so things are safe down here. Ted and Mary's out. Back to you, Bob. There he goes. Did you hear that? I don't know if he didn't destroy the mailbox because we're here or what, but yeah.

So three stars for that, those kids at the mailboxes. Here's a two-star one. People either don't want anything to do with you or the local housewife needs to know everything about you so she can have her afternoon tea with a side of drama. That's the whole review. Two stars. I like that one. People don't want anything to do with you.

Basically, this is a woman who moved there and tried to make friends. Yeah. And either no one will talk to her or she found some gossipy ass bitches that she's not happy about. So she can have her afternoon tea with a side of drama. You know what I mean, Betty? You fucking bitch. Oh, wait. I should erase that last part.

Right. Let's not make it specific. Just she. Let's she not that fucking twat betty right a 402 lexington lane and everybody in the neighborhood thinks that she is out to fuck their husband yes everybody and her yard is not that well kept up i'm to say that. I think her kid broke my mailbox. Two stars. So here we go. Now, here's a five-star review here. Wow. From what I know, crime isn't even really a thing in Fremont. And if it is, it's nothing like where I used to live in Englewood, where you would hear gunshots every night.

Five stars. Dr. Dre retired to Fremont, New Hampshire? It's a pretty low bar you know people aren't murdered every night five stars safe as fuck like that's a really low bar for shit i mean it's not exactly mailboxes right i'd like to get that person inglewood guy together with person a yeah and have them go over uh the mailbox situation have him be like anybody shooting at you no i think it's pretty good then i think it's okay i think we're winning then assholes and maybe hook him up with uh upset woman

hell yeah yeah i think we could get together although we got a love match there i think that's something he'll tell her stories of atrocities let me tell you yeah now people in this town population they didn't crack,000 people until about the mid-'70s. 1970s? Mid-1970s. They held in the 700s, 600s. For 300 years. Yeah, for a long time.

Right now, 4,589 people here. Failing it. Up 78% since 1990. Yeah. So it's commuting distance to Boston, and Boston has become just so expensive. Ridiculous. Yeah, it's hard to live there. So female population.

We blame Tom Brady. Yeah, it's all like we blame Tom Brady for everything. Listen to Crime and Sports if you don't understand. It's a long story. Male, female populations are right around normal. Median age here is about 45 and a half. Older population, but the demographics are all kind of on the money except for the 25-year-old to 44-year-old demographic is high.

So this is a place where people come. It's definitely commuters. It's commuters that come. They have kids. It's the suburbs. You can live out there and worry about mailboxes being broken as your biggest concern. So married population, 67%.

It's usually 50-50's a it's a family kind of town here uh single with no children 3.2 percent oh not a party town it's usually 10 percent a race of this town 96 white 96.3 to be exact which is roughly the purity of ivory soap so it's a pretty white pretty fucking white it's whiter than ivory soap. So it's pretty white. Pretty fucking white. It's whiter than ivory soap is what we'll say here. More pure than the most pure cocaine usually. That is ridiculous. Yeah.

That's a lot of white. It's very white. Whiter than ivory and cocaine. Now Asian, 1.8%. We have here 0.0% black. So no black people here. And 1.1% Hispanic. That is fascinating.

That's one way to put it. Yeah, that's something. It's something. That is very interesting. Wow, it seems on purpose. Let's just say that. There should be a conversation. Yeah, something.

Hey, do you notice we've never seen a black guy around? Does it feel weird, you guys? Do you know any black guys? Not right? Yeah, they live down in Boston. Is that what you said? Is that what you said? Okay.

You see them at work? Yeah. About 39% of the people here are religious. 29% Catholic, as we know. Catholics are the Baptists of the North. That's right. That's the way that works. 0.3% Jewish, so not a lot.

0.0% Muslim. Last election, 44% Democrat, 50% Republican in the county. It's kind of a rural county, and that's how they voted the last five out of six elections. Six percent independent, too. A little higher independent. Vermont, New Hampshire, that area. General handle of the United States. Yeah.

Unemployment rate's 2.7%, because you can go to Manchester, you can go to Concord, you can go to Boston. There's all sorts of places to work. And it go to Concord, you can go to Boston. There's all sorts of places to work. And it's a bedroom community, this place. Nobody really works in Fremont unless you work at like a quaint little shop or something. It's mainly people go outside of Fremont to work. Median income here, it's $57,000 in the rest of the country. Here, $90,709. That's great.

High, yeah. 13% make over $200,000 a year, which is double the national average. Holy shit. Yeah, this is you go. You have a few extra bucks. You have a good job in Boston. You live out here. Your dollars go a little farther.

You get a big house instead of some tiny house. And it works for these people. There's a few more manufacturing jobs and normal retail trade, like I said, quaint shops. A few more white-collar jobs, too, like I said, because they're available in other places. Other than that, cost of living, 100 is average regular par. Here it is 122. So it's a little bit high. Housing is the high one, but it's not that bad for this area, for the Northeast.

154. Median home cost is 295,900 bucks but it's not that bad for this area for you know the northeast 154 median home cost is 295 900 bucks that's not bad so for this region that's not terrible if you're making great cash up there that's not awful a lot of places to work but then you got that goddamn heat bill oh that's true it's so cold good lord uh 34 of the houses were built before 1939 how much is 34 it's usually like 10 that's a lot that's a lot it's old classic kind of things like that here a lot of the houses are between 200 and 300 grand so you can about 45 of them so there's some affordable housing here only 11 of people here are renters okay so it's a very people buy houses it's not a transient yes that's a very, people buy houses. It's not a transient. Yes, and it's a very stable area.

You're married, you have a couple of kids, and that sort of thing. So if we've convinced you that you need to be here, we have for you the Fremont, New Hampshire Real Estate Report. Your average two-bedroom rental here is about $2,040, which is higher than the $1,200 average. That's steep as fuck. Yeah. Your first house here, I found a value home. It's a manufactured home, basically a trailer that's in the ground. Three-bedroom, two-bath, 1,404 square feet.

So it's got some room, and it's affordable, $134,000. So that's kind of your low end uh then i found a three bedroom two bath 1568 square foot house kind of like the last place except with a yard and it's a real house 299 000 so for that you're gonna pay double yeah then i found a four bedroom three bath uh 2700 square. Really nice, big yard with a hill that swoops down. Really nice house. It's on Lover's Lane is the name of the street. Can't beat it.

And you're going to pay for it, $469,900. Wow. That's a steep fuck shack. $470,000 for that fuck shack. You're better off pulling your Pontiac over the hill and looking it out at the view that way. Then head on back to that trailer. That's right. Pontiac's cheaper.

Now, things to do. Holy balls. Okay. First of all, they have a Renaissance Fair. Of course. Which a lot of places do. But now they have theme days at the Renaissance Fair. What?

So I had to go over this. We have to get through this quickly because their other thing is fucking insane. Okay. It's absolutely bonkers. They have the Game of Thrones day. No. Look out for dragons. No. Exclamation point. The next day is fairies and wizards. And then the next day,

pirates and barbarians. Time to play dirty. Exclamation points. I assume there's a sexual component to that. It's a gay day. Come on, pirates. The look on Jimmy's face, he was like, oh my God, they're fucking in public. Oh, God.

Pirates and barbarians. You know what we mean. Oh, shit. They're tying each other up and fucking. It's going to be violent. That's twinks and bears. Yes, exactly right. And then the next day, it's steampunk and time travelers.

Oh, jeez. Nice airship, exclamation point. So that's what they're trying to do. Now, that's bullshit compared to the other thing. Since 1985, Fremont has been the home of the world's largest snowmobile grass drags and water crossing competition. What? This is too redneck for Jimmy. He's been the country thunder and his head just exploded.

It draws 50,000 spectators over columbus day weekend okay it's the snowmobile grass drags they take snowmobiles on the grass on the grass and all balls fucking drag race into a lake and try to cross the water separate events holy shit grass drags and then they have water events you can take snowmobiles on the water, I found. But what happens if it doesn't make it? Well, I think it just does. It's fucking better. The organizers say there's also an opening night amateur competition, which I didn't know there was a professional realm of that.

I think they're all amateurs. He said, quote, it's called Run What You Brung. Oh, Jesus. And it's a good way to compete with your buddies without having to do all the sponsorship and investment that the pros do. There's people paying people to do this? What the fuck? You know, without all the free skis, you can just sink your own out here. He said, yes, just put it right in the bottom of the lake.

It's much easier this way. He said, it's great because in the snow you couldn't get people to come out and watch, but when it's 60 degrees out, people come out and watch. It's great. He said it started as an informal gathering of local snowmobile enthusiasts. And then it just swelled from there. I got news for you. It's still snowmobile enthusiasts.

It says some of the fastest snowmobiles in the world, this is on the grass drags, compete at speeds topping 115 miles an hour. What? On a fucking snowmobile in the grass. That is horrifying. I'm sorry. I know we're going long on this, but they're going 115 in a snowmobile on the grass. That's at least as interesting as a murder. No?

That's crazy. I'll tell you this. I would love to see one of those crashes. Saturday and Sunday, zero to 60 times that would annihilate most supercars, it says. They have a 1,000cc category. That's ridiculous. Also, snowmobile water crossing. Yes, snowmobiles racing on water, as it says.

It's also known as skipping. And the unique oval-style racing at the pond in the center of the race facility. Yes, 600 pro people are going to come and do this and it also says yes they do sink so yeah you go until it goes i think it's as far as you can go it's like a tractor pull and then you sink and then they have to drag your fucking they have to drag your snowmobile i don't know who knows they have who cares jimmy they have sponsors this is all it's all a write-off for somebody then you're putting oil and gas into your water pond yeah that's right then you guys

are gonna bathe in that 50 000 people here jimmy this is important we gotta get making money we gotta get uh the reporter over from ted and mary's house and find out what the hell's going on i am skipping this and going to... The Renaissance there? Twinks and Bears Day. I'd rather see that shit. Sounds more fun. Crime rate, what we're interested in here, property crime is less than half,

it's under half the national average. So pretty safe in terms of property, as we know, unless it's a mailbox. And it's precarious. Things can get out of hand. Violent crime, murder, rape, robbery, and of course, assault. The Mount Rushmore of crime is about half the national average.

So it is a safe, leafy, suburban. It's a place where they take snowmobiles and crash them in the lake on purpose. Race them at 115 miles an hour in the grass, which seems exceedingly dangerous. Just exceedingly dangerous. I can't even fathom the level of dangerous that is. And then they take them and purposely sink them in a pond afterwards, which is just... And this is a professional sport. Right.

Not just amateurs. Do you know how much those things fucking weigh? Oh, a ton. They're like a thousand pounds. Yeah, or half a ton. If one of your friends just didn't exist. Mouth power rocket. Yeah.

And one of you were just getting drunk with your friends and they were like, let's take the snowmobile down and fucking just race them on the grass as fast as we can. And if we don't explode them or crash into something, then we'll just drive them into the pond. Be like, what are you, out of your fucking mind? I'll bet you I can make it across this pond. That's how that shit started. I guarantee it.

It was like a Sunoco sponsoring this. This is crazy. So I don't know what's happening. My head hurts after that. Unreal. I couldn't wait to discuss that with you. And yes, I'm a hillbilly. I love hillbilly motorsports.

That's ridiculous ridiculous i even said this will be too much for jimmy in my head way too much so let's talk about a murder let's cleanse our palate with a murder because that was too that's too crazy we need to talk about a human being for some reason taking another human being's life to calm down to come back to earth after what just occurred because that was fucked up i don't know so let's talk about a murder here all right welcome to the small town of chinook where faith runs deep and secrets run deeper in this new thriller available exclusively on wondery plus religion and crime collide when a gruesome murder rocks the isolated montana community everyone is quick

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He claimed and confessed to officially killing up to 28 people. With a touch of humor. I'd just like to go ahead and say that if there's no band called malevolent deity, that is pretty great. A dash of sarcasm and just garnished a bit with a little bit of cursing. This mother lied like a liar, like a liar.

And if you're a weirdo like us and love to cozy up to a creepy tale of the paranormal, or you love to hop in the way back machine and dissect the details of some of history's most notorious crimes, you tune in to our podcast morbid follow morbid on the wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts you can listen to episodes early and ad free by joining wondery plus in the wondery app or on apple podcasts okay let's let's talk about a couple of people first of all we'll go back in time let's go back to 1992 1992 we all remember the 1992 if you were alive that's my coming of age oh you were loving life at that

point michael jordan charles barkley oh jordan and yeah think about it uh wu-tang's gonna come out in a year things are things are going well you know things are boys to men are doing great boys to men are doing great none of them had diabetes or anything like that. Everyone was alive. The chubby one, nobody was even concerned for his health. The skinny one, nobody was worried. All the wrestlers we've talked about on Crime and Sports were alive still. Doing great.

Doing great. Everything's going wonderful. So let's talk about a man named Steven Roy. We'll talk about him. We'll kind of peel the layers of his onion because that sounded bad. It did. It sounded terrible. I don't want to peel the layers of any other man's onion.

Also, Steven sounds terrible. He sounds like he smells awful. It sounds like he's wearing three pairs of underwear and I need to get at that nutsack. That's what it sounds like. And it's not what I was going for. It is cold in New Hampshire. It is. It's possible.

Long John's underway. It could happen. But what I'm saying is he is an onion, and we need to peel him here layer by layer. I doubled down. You did. Let's do this. In 1992, he's living in Fremont, New Hampshire. He's operating a business here out of his house. He's operating a software business out of his basement okay which we can laugh at but i mean big giant software businesses have come out of worse places and

shittier places apple started yeah i mean he could be a genius we have no idea but based on the i've never heard of him oh well if you've heard of him it's not for his software expertise i'll put it that way uh it's for other things so So he, yeah, I can't imagine he's a software wizard out of his basement, which is also ironic because he named his business Wizard Software. Oh, Jesus. So he, I think, was calling himself a software wizard. He's 37 years old at this point, too, in 1992. So, I mean, he could have been, if he was a guy that was like you know

super into computers and they first got into him when he was like 17 yeah i was building him in his garage you know in the 70s or something like that like a bill gates i go okay yeah maybe but it doesn't seem like at this point he'd have 20 years experience yeah based on his history i'm gonna say no okay we'll talk about all of that it's so he's doing it out of his basement in Fremont, New Hampshire. Now, he also, a couple other people live in the house here. There's a few other people in the house. His girlfriend, Maria Zarate, it's karate with a Z instead of a K. So Maria.

Should we call her Zarate? Zarate kid. So the Zarate kid here, Maria, she is also the mother of two of his children. And so they're not married, but they have kids together. So yeah, she's his baby mama. And also in the house with them is a woman named Joanna Kozak, who is 38 years old. And she is like the live-in babysitter uh kind of odd job she does we'll talk about her because she's a she's a weird one too but uh she relationship is interesting

yeah she lives in the house she watches the kid she kind of uh is his sort of like receptionist secretary for whatever you would need that for wizard software for a basement software company yeah she does like odd jobs and goes to the grocery store she's kind of like the the live-in gopher nanny kind of just assistant house person that lives there with them and uh yeah but i they're not wealthy people that are you know she's not making a living right she has nowhere to stay yeah it seems like and they're like you can stay here if you watch the kid and like you know weird make files for me or whatever i don't know what the hell my phone rings pick it up say wizard software yeah so just wizard software do it with an unflop upward inflection make them sound like they're happy to wizard software like they've do that that's all i want to hear no no not the no jesus you know what this

isn't gonna work out i need my phone answered in a very specific manner say wizard software then start writing every word they say just write it all down free room and board it's knocking yeah watch my kid right that's it so not too long after this begins, because this only goes on for a few months. Okay. Kozak is a new addition to the household. Zarate and the Zarate kid and Stephen Roy have been living. Ralph Macchio and Stephen Roy have been living together here. And obviously they have children together.

And so they're the relationship and they have this business going on out of the house she is from florida there's a roddy kid and she's listed she's why does every i don't know because i'm not saying i know you're doing it to try to remember how to pronounce yeah i'm just saying it like i'm just saying because it's just funny to me now but it's it sounds ridiculous too i see a grown woman dressed in karate gear being like i'm getting my green belt like you know in a strip mall somewhere beating up children right like like kramer on seinfeld and old roy water on the house saying i'll sweep the leg i'll sweep it i'll sweep sweep joe sweep kozak's leg so that's two women in the house both with z's in their last name which how often does that happen that's bizarre very bizarre the house, both with Zs in their last name. How often does that happen?

That's bizarre. Very bizarre. There's another Z. There's another Z. Jesus, the bizarre relationship between Kozak and Zerati Kid. So this is the least shocking thing I've ever heard. After a while, after a few months of this arrangement, animosity begins to develop between the Zarate Kid and Joanna Kozak, as you would just imagine.

I mean, first of all, anybody living together, that's going to be a tough arrangement. But two women and the woman on the outside, and there's whisperings of whether Stephen Roy is banging Kozak, too. That's all going on. Of course. There's a whole lot of things bubbling in this burgoo that's happening. I feel like Stephen didn't he wasn't real

disclosure friendly with the Roddy kid. He just kind of was like, eh, she's going to stay here for a little bit. What do you think? She'll be alright. It's interesting too that she would allow that based on Kozak's history and how she ended up there as we'll talk about. This story, it's, it's not what it seems like on the surface. It's just that there are so many layers.

This is an onion, man. Now, Kozak, the reason why it's weird that she would live there is because, A, Kozak is wanted by the police in Virginia. Oh, Jesus. Yeah, she's a wanted woman in Virginia. And they put her around their own kids? Well, you would think that right away. Just the fact that she's wanted, you go, let's not have her around the kids.

You know, in case the cops raid the house and stuff. You know, I'm a good dad. That's why. That would be, and that would be for anything she did. That's like, let's say she had like five DUIs and they wanted her or she robbed a bank. It's a check fraud. Check fraud. Whatever the case may be.

She had a drug problem. Anything, whatever sympathetic problem with the law you can think about, it's not that. No. Okay,

and even that would be let's not have her here for a month. Maybe a week. A warrant. A warrant. Go fix it. A warrant's a warrant.

But the problem is the reason why she's wanted in Virginia, she's, oh my God, she's wanted, you're not going to be laughing long, she's wanted my god she's what you're not gonna be laughing long she's wanted for sexually

assaulting steven and maria's daughter what when the girl was one and a half years old in virginia what in the fuck is happening right now and they're letting her live there so the animosity you would imagine would be for so many reasons. Oh, boy. Just so many reasons. These are the worst two parents on earth. You would think that the Zarate kid and Stephen Roy, either one of them, but especially Zarate for some reason, would have had a shotgun at the fucking front door when this chick tried to come in and get away from my house. Fucking shots into the air like, no, like some Yosemite Sam or something.

I'll ruin my own roof yeah i don't care this is you are going not going near apparently she was set for trial joanna kozak down in virginia and just disappeared took off and uh where she ran to was vermont where she stayed with them steven roy and maria the last place the cops would think to look yeah because great you know yeah they wouldn't think that the parents of the of this child would harbor this yeah it's crazy so yeah that's nuts so wow that's who we're dealing with right now shit you have to take stock of the household right now right software company going on in the basement weird relationship between roy and zarate here right in the first place especially exacerbated by the fact that they don't mind a woman

who is wanted to stand trial for molesting their daughter sexually. Then go ahead and stay in our house with that daughter. It's weird. This is next level fucked up right here. This is super weird. So right away the dynamic is weird. So when I say there's animosity between the ladies, you go, well, that's not surprising on about 14 different levels.

I mean, it would be amazing if they got along. If I said everything was fine, you'd go, how? How are they? She atoned for her crimes and she did it to the family. She apologized. Everything's fine. She chose to pay her penance to the family directly rather than society as a whole they're not paying her she's going to instead be a be an assistant at the wizard software

and a babysitter to the child she molested what the hell uh yeah this is this is fucking bonkers right away so another guy to enter the picture here uh yeah let's let's have enough going on under your roof and this guy yeah even without always sunny being out his name is charles kelly oh so you basically now charlie is involved in this whole thing charlie kelly is involved which is charlie day's character in always sunny in philadelphia and he is charlie this guy he's fucking charlie if charlie went way wrong if charlie had no moral compass or center yeah that's who he would be okay this is the spin-off show uh it's always sunny this is where charlie ends up after he has to get after he forcibly removed from philadelphia he leaves the city he goes out

and live in the woods they run out of cheese in philly and he's like fuck it i'll move up i'll move up the the waitress is uh was wanted in Virginia, so she ran to stay with this couple and said, I could stay up there. I figured Joanna Kozak's the waitress. That's what she's a picture. So good. Picture her in your mind when you picture the waitress. She got knocked up by some dude.

Yeah. She's got a couple of kids. One of them's being molested by a transient. Oh, no. She is Kozak. Never mind. Sorry. There you go.

I was thinking she was the Zerati kid. The Zerati kid I'm picturing, maybe just because of the Zs, I'm picturing if Catherine Zeta-Jones is going for an Oscar. You know what I mean? She's like, I'm going to put on 20 pounds. I'm not going to wear any makeup. I'm going to pull a Charlize Theron here. I'm going to look like shit, and I'm going to go out there

and pretend I'm this awful tree woman. Somebody horrible. I'll allow child molesters into my house. That's my picture for that you can cast Steven however you like I don't really care but just because it's Steven and they can't get anybody

else it's Steven Seagal there you go he's fat and he's he can't fight anymore so he can't fight the woman off the kids file my papers file and then watch my kids all right you can do that for me if you don't I would your ass, but I can't do it anymore.

I'm going to twist your arm behind your back. But you got to come close so I can grab it. Because my back kind of hurts and I can't get up right now. Plus, I'm eating a sandwich with my other hand. I'd have to use that hand to push up, but I can't do that. Holy shit. You come over here, I'm going to grab you with one hand, twist it behind your back, and then you'll know. Not to mess with Seagal.

Now file my papers. I'd kick you, but these bunions are killing me. I'm in so much pain. My hips. My hips. It's just terrible. Doctor says to drop 150 pounds, but I'm thinking, you know, I kind of like it. And just as a warning, I'm deputized in 88 counties in this country.

That's the thing. 88 counties. I'm absolutely carrying a firearm right now. I'd grab it, but I can't reach it. Yeah, I can't reach it. I traded it for this sandwich. There's bursitis in my shoulders. Oh, Jesus Christ.

So many arms twisted. This is dependence for a lifetime of twisted arms. You know what I mean? I've been twisting them forever, and I'm the one who ends up being twisted. I picture Steven Seagal today just wandering around bitching about the worst things.

Yeah. Did I tell you I'm Asian? Even though I'm not Asian? Because I'm Steven Seagal. I tell you, I used a shitload of Roundup and I have cancer. Oh, that's right.

I got it from Russia, too, where I hang out all the time. So it's Russian Roundup. It's extra bad. It's all poison. You got a vaginal mesh lawsuit. It's it's Russian roundup. It's extra bad. It's all poison. You got a vaginal mesh lawsuit. It's not even to kill plants. It's just people poison.

Oh, my vaginal mesh has just been fraying like crazy. People say, Steven, how do you have vaginal mesh? I say, I'm a mysterious man. Don't ask questions. God, I hate that guy.

Oh, he's the worst. It's a hell of a cast it's a good cast so far so enter charlie kelly here so charlie day obviously enter charlie kelly known as cj okay old charlie because i don't know uh he he also is a quote wizard software employee yeah this guy wouldn't know a software or a hardware if it crawled up his ass and died okay this guy doesn't know who gots about software is what i'm saying nothing fucking nothing about software okay and he's hired to do quote odd jobs so he's building this cast of i don't even know what to call the cast of goons i guess that none of these people have anything to do with software or should have anything to

do with children yet they're working for a software company and watching kids in the house with kids in the house charlie by the way uh just got out of prison for rape oh of course he's been in prison in massachusetts for rape he gets out he has nowhere to go and steven's like well i already have this woman who molested my child here. So might as well. You didn't even rape my kids. Come on in. Come on in.

And then he gets Charles and he gets Joanna Kozak together. He goes, now you keep an eye on each other. No. You two rapists watch each other. Jesus Christ. Jesus. What the fuck? Legitimately, I was already calling them the worst parents.

For sure. Worst parents on earth earth there's never been a worst parent and maria the zarate kid is okay with this apparently so i'm i'm speechless already this is so bad just the scene of who lives we haven't even got into there's no story yet that's what i'm saying this is just setting it up this is ridiculous so is happening now where is cps these poor children i yeah i want to fly to fucking new hampshire i want to stop right now and go rescue these children well it's 1992 so these children are in their 30s now so hopefully they don't time machine and a 737 to go to uh what prisons are up there probably i would assume if these are their parents state

prisons for sure yeah that's probably where they're not because of the molesting but just because these are their parents and they've learned terrible life lessons always where you should allow felons and molesters into your home right away that's a bad example to set so okay this is the batshit scene that we've we've set up so far now june 27th 1992 stephen roy and joanna kozak leave the house to go on a dirt bike ride. Yeah. And through the woods and trails and shit. Because, yeah, that's what you do when you're in your late 30s. A 37-year-old and a 38-year-old person should go on dirt bike rides from the house.

Straight from the front porch. I guess that's fun if you like dirt bikes. I love it. But here's the thing. Me and my friends put them on trailers and we go far from the front porch. I guess that's fun if you like dirt bikes. I love it. Yeah. But here's the thing. Me and my friends put them on trailers and we go far from the city and we don't ride,

like, we ride casually through the desert. We're not out shredding. I don't think I'm Jeremy McGrath. Did any of the guys that you ride with molest any of your kids at any point?

Oh, mine? And then go on the lam from the trial and move in with you? Did that ever happen at all? Not a common occurrence in my lifestyle. So this is all weird.

So anything that happens, you have to throw all of that backstory in. It makes it ten times weirder. Right. So Stephen ends up coming back from the dirt bike ride sans Joanna. Oh. Without Kozak. Okay. So interesting.

Maria, the Zorati kid, is obviously like, where the hell's Joanna? And the zarate kid is obviously like where the hell's joanna and if she doesn't come back where the hell's the dirt bike those are expensive he had the dirt bike he has both bikes he wrote back they went what do you think they got multiple dirt jimmy jesus christ i just assumed the wizard software company afforded them two dirt bikes back to setting up the story i apparently didn't set it up with no these people have one dirt bike all those people combined have as many dirt bikes as me these people are not everybody gets their own dirt but no no this is a this is a two people on a dirt bike two adults per one dirt bike scenario here's the thing about dirt bikes they got pegs for one person that is horrifying that they're out there on a dirt bike through the trails with two people

on a dirt bike that is scary stuff man i'm you can't ride like that safely no it's it's you can't do though on a on a bike bike no when you're kid. You have pegs and someone rides and it's fucking precarious. Right. That shit. I mean, this is uneven terrain. This is uneven terrain. And you're going way faster than if you ever tried to go on a jump with someone on your pegs.

They just abandon mid jump because it's otherwise you're going to die. They jump off and then it fucks your weight balance all up. You crash. That's how it works. So this is funny to them as they're standing as they land and you fall and break your leg now uh now jesus christ she steven says to maria who uh asks questions you know where might she be right uh he says look uh she packed her belongings and took the fuck off because she's a fugitive. And midway through her dirt bike ride, she realized that she could be hot on her trail.

And so she just jumped off the dirt. But when I went up to do a jump, she hopped off. I crashed, turned around. She was running the other direction. With her suitcase in tow. Suitcase. I don't know where she got it. She had it hidden behind a tree.

It was crazy. So, yeah, he said that's what happened. She's a fugitive. She took off. I mean, that's what happened with these fugitives. They just take off on you when you go dirt bike riding. You never know. I can see it.

You know, it's like having a bird as a pet. You take it out, it'll sit on your shoulder. It might just fly away someday. You never know. So he said some time goes by, though, and this happened in June. A couple months go by, uh she kept saying that's weird that joanna just took off and we never even heard from her like she just thin air yeah and then she never called back like i never wrote a letter by how so much i missed our daughter she has stuff

here yeah so that's it uh so finally steven's like all right fine i bludgeoned her to death in the woods for christ's sake you fucking nag nag nag nag nag two months of this jesus this is why i have affairs with people who molest our daughter because you never stop asking questions so if you wonder why look in the mirror look in the mirror machio fucking look in the mirror because i'm done with this conversation have a good one i'm gonna go dirt bike riding because i'm 38 years old yeah wow so he said that he bludgeoned her to death he goes look remember the day we went on that dirt bike ride and she disappeared and i said she ran in that you know really super plausible story i gave you yeah i was lying uh super strange

we went on a dirt bike ride i bludgeoned her i bludgeoned her to death and i uh i killed her in an isolated corner of the cemetery out in raymond which is the town next door which by the way is the location of our patreon episode that comes out tomorrow great is that so uh is it the rest of the story no it's not that's gonna happen here for free but the other ones are the five dollar level of thing You'll get another story from right in that area. It's all connected, Jimmy. So isolated cemetery here. It's an isolated part.

He said he buried her there and he disposed of her belongings that she had with her. Trashed all her shit. By the way, old Charlie there helped me do that. So, you know, well, I mean, he is a terrible person. He didn't get out of prison for rape and we gave him a place to stay so you know once when you're keep charlie when you're a released rapist you really got to be open to suggestion when it comes to uh living arrangements sometimes you got to help bury a body in an isolated cemetery you know it happens it seems like a great idea uh and place to store a body in a cemetery perfect

they'll never look there fucking terrible that's the first place they're gonna dig there to put a body eventually eventually and they're gonna come across a fucking body yeah well this was like in a corner that's away from the burial shit like kind of in the woods where they don't bury him this is a former boy scout uh camp area oh jesus basically that they have now that became part of the cemetery and the boy scouts don't use so he said i'm gonna go for my murder badge yeah and i'm going to dig this shit up and go for my body disposal badge yay got my grave digging badge so many badges right there charlie you know what prison's been tough on you i realize i think it's time for you to get some of your pride back and earn a badge yeah here's my

dispose of my molesting babysitter badge i don't know what's happening man yeah so uh yeah this all cj kelly like we, he helps dispose of everything like that. So while this is going on, this is a few months later, Zerati sticks around for a while. I don't know why. What the fuck? Knowing that he knows that she knows about the murder and all that. I don't know. I would say he's capable of anything at this point.

Yeah. I probably want to get away from this guy. She keeps earning worst parent ever. Oh, every day. Every day. There's a new reason every day well i'd say he he's the arch he's the worst parent oh yeah he's he's the worst she's just uh facilitating this worst parent ever she's enabling yeah and super following and oh yeah yeah oh she's number two yeah absolutely she's vice president of terrible parents yeah

there's a terrible parent club he's the, Avi. His face is on the money. But she is operating behind the scenes, making things happen. She's on the coins. She's withholding aid from foreign countries. So he can have his political opponents investigate. That's what's happening in this scenario. Yes. Absolutely. With their cabinet of scumbags.

Charlie Kelly to shovel over his shoulder imagine the cabinet these people would put together if you put them in charge of anything besides a basement software company because this is just a basement software company and he's assembled quite the quite the cast of characters quite the cast of cadre of assholes i was gonna say but this here is, yeah, this is next level. And his firing is super, super brutal. Oh, yeah. Oh, boy. Yeah, he fires.

He's a dictator. He fires like a dictator. He fires like an Eastern European dictator from the 70s here. So now Zarate, the Zarate kid in October of 92, a couple months later, lets it really sink in. She finally says, I'm going to leave Steven. I don't think this is good for me. You're going to change your name from Zarate to Zarate? Zarate.

Now, while she goes to the Manchester airport to take off, to get the fuck out of there, she's going to fly away from here. She's from Florida. She's listed as a disc jockey in Florida. So at some point, maybe she was on the radio. Maria Zarate, I'm not sure. That's how she lists her occupation. Disc jockey and, I don't know, girlfriend of software magnate, of would-be software basement magnate.

So she's a DJ now. That's what she says, but I don't know if she's employed as a DJ. She had a job as a DJ one time in college or something and says that's what she says but i don't know if she's employed as a dj she had a job as a dj one time in college or something and says that's what she is okay now i mean today everybody's a dj too that's the other thing well there's what people do and what people is are you know what i mean like you know what i'm saying this is what i am and this is what i do is something different right that's how many comedians do you know that i am a comedian oh boy but i work in a fucking cubicle like it's to make a living right otherwise i wouldn't be able otherwise this is not a thing because i make you know yeah i make 14 a month

doing comedy and that's all that's all free drinks i am a comedian but i also am an end cap designer for Costco. Yeah, exactly. So she's at the Manchester airport awaiting a flight. And she says, you know what I'm going to do? I'm going to call the fucking cops. I said, I got to do this. I feel bad. She calls the Epping Police Department because I think she found the number of it. This is pre-cell phone.

She calls the Epping Police Department to report that a crime had been committed at the Scribner Cemetery in Raymond, New Hampshire. So she calls the Epping Police Department to say that a crime occurred in another town. That doesn't make any sense. No, but I think she just knew the number or knew of some reason she knew the phone book there. I don't know

what it was. Yeah, she knew to call that. So they still that's all they know though she doesn't know any other details so there's some investigation a month goes by and in november she is contacted by the fbi oh who's now interested well we're talking about an interstate fugitive that ran away once that fugitive takes off you know across state lines then you can get the fbi involved and you also have a uh you know a murder of a fugitive. It's a touchy subject.

This is a lot. It's a heavy one. It's a heavy one. So she's interviewed by the FBI. And the Zarate kid has quite the story. Because I killed her in the cemetery. Leave me alone. It wasn't his whole story.

No? He spilled more. And keep in mind, she stayed longer after hearing this. Oh, boy. Not only of the murder but what leads up to it he says that she he steven says he killed joanna kozak after they had sex in the cemetery gross so he had sex with the woman who's wanted for molesting his daughter and lives with him currently they went to a cemetery on a dirt bike to fuck i don't think this story could

get any scummier yeah i feel dirty right now with these fucking people they all have dirt all over them like real dirt not even under the nails not human grease but like they are in the dirt and now they never washed it off they're pawing at the soil yeah just always covered in soil uh yeah zarate kid wow uh she says that steven told her that he handcuffed her hands behind her back joanna kozak not maria right she had he handcuffed uh kozak's hands behind her back as she lay face down on the ground and hit her with a bar from a weight set hey what how did bludgeoned her with a bar from a weight that shit on the dirt bike or he found that shit i think it was probably this cemetery is littered with shit i think it's littered with shit i think this is

where kids go to like drink and smoke weed yeah it's the edge of the cemetery with a push-up bar yeah or like homeless remember people who lived in the woods yeah as a kid yeah there's like i remember there was this weird shit out there weird shit in the woods like i remember there was this homeless guy when i was a teenager and he lived my friend lived in this neighborhood and there was a shopping center next to him there was this little patch of woods behind him it was because it was like a stream there so there's a patch of woods behind the store in the stream they went to the stream and there was like another shopping center beyond that right so in this patch of woods that was where we would go to you know smoke weed and fuck around and whatever and hang out dog yeah

just chill out in there well there was this homeless guy that lived in there and he like he lived half the time he was like in his car out in the parking lot of the shopping center and the rest of the time he had like this campsite set up in there and he was this old man and he'd just sit around naked half the time so i've seen an old man jerking off like 30 times. Like 30 times. Like he's always just jerking it in the woods. Why do people that live in the woods have such a strong libido is what I don't understand too.

There's nothing around to turn you on. I don't know. What are you doing out there? I mean, I pretty much do the same thing. In the woods, you just go sit out there and jerk it naked. I'm just saying, in my abode where I live, I'm constantly tugging too. Christ, go in the woods you just go sit out there and jerk it i'm just saying in my abode where i live that's true constantly tugging to christ go in the car it's just weird to just be sitting around in broad daylight in the woods just tugging doesn't even have a tent he's just sitting on a milk crate

just tugging on his old drink maybe he's sitting there tugging going look at me if anybody sees this they're obviously going to turn and go away. Probably, yeah. I guess so. Now, so he says he hit Zarate, or no, he hit Kozak with the bar from a weight set and then pressed it on her throat and stood on it until she didn't breathe anymore. Yeah. So the- And then he put the bar back on the weight set and walked away because the whole thing's there.

I had to pump up a little bit, though. You know what I mean? I did to pump up a little bit, though. You know what I mean? I did about 10 reps, and then I took off. So her body, Kozak's body, would still not be discovered until December 10, 1992. Wow. So six months it sat there in this location. Two months after they were told about it and a month after they were told in specific about it.

They finally found it, and we'll find out how they found it. And now it's frozen as fuck. Yeah, it's probably frozen by now. Yeah, now her body was found, and we'll find out how. Her body was found minus the fingertips. She had no fingertips, which is strange. We'll talk about that. Autopsies showed she died

from repeated blows to the back of the head just once and also strangulation usually your fingers pop off when that happens that's that's what's happening but yeah currently usually because i'm tall i hit my head a lot usually whenever i hit my head on something i have to pick up at least a couple of my fingertips because i drop them push them back on it's like having airpods right and you hit your they pop off you got a little shit i dropped one you know it's they do go i don't want to lose that they're expensive they go right back on like bugles so yeah you just stick them on like bugles and you gotta give them a twist though because that's the problem is they get loose right that's how it works now jesus christ this is crazy horrible this is horrifying

yeah this is horrifying if there's anybody that earned one, you know what I mean? She earned it, but I don't know if she earned that one. No. That's terrible. Not from... That sounds terrible, I would say, this whole thing. This is no good, man. No.

So, Zarate also says that... It's not it, by the way. That's not the end of what happened. She says that Stephen told her he asked joanna to have sex with her in the graveyard and when she laid down on her stomach uh he that's when he handcuffed her and uh pulled down her stocking so she could not stand and then hit her with the pipe after that and somewhere in there he had sex with her by the way good lord so yeah this is he before or after we don't know we don't care we don't know it's based on whatever he says to her back then but either way he uh either way if

you're aroused by that you're sick as fuck sick as fuck yeah lord her there oh we'll find out what he's into it's fucking sick this is we're still we're we're just at the top of the onion this isn't even the part you can eat you're still throwing these layers out this is just is this a red yellow or white it's a yellow it's a bad stinky yellow gross one yeah yeah no no it's not that gross it's just what he he's just a gross person yeah that's what i mean which kind of onion is it he's a shitty onion he's a half rotten onion we'll put it that way useless yellow so yeah that's that's that's a shit way to do this too to tell her that you're gonna have sex and lay down and then jump her like that. It's just not gentlemanly.

Look at us. What in the fuck is happening? That is ridiculous. Of all the words in the world. You're just not being a gentleman, sir. No, you're not. Sir, that is not gentlemanly behavior. It's not?

No. In my book. No. In our book. In our book, behavior. It's not? Now. It's my book. No. In our book. In our book, exactly, because that's Jesus Christ. What the fuck is happening? We have our own book now. This is a problem.

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From Wondery, Generation Y is a podcast that covers notable true crime cases like this one and many more. Every week, hosts Erin and Justin sit down to discuss a new case, covering every angle and theory, walking through the forensic evidence, and interviewing those close to the case to try to discover what happened. And with over 450 episodes, there's a case for every true crime listener. Follow the Generation Y podcast on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to Generation Y ad-free right now by joining Wondery Plus. March 16th, 1993, C.J. Kelly is talked to by the police. Obviously, they want to know what he has to do with this whole thing. And he says that Stephen Roy killed Joanna Kozak.

He gives it right up. Oh, yeah, no, she killed him. I'll tell you whatever you need to know because, you know, I'm on parole for rape. So that's how that works. Yeah, Stephen killed Kozak, and he said that he himself, old C.J. Kelly, helped bury the body. That's all he did. After a cheese snack. Yeah, I had to have some cheese and some spaghetti out of a Ziploc bag.

And then once I got done with that, I was there. I was there, man. Told the waitress what I was doing. There was a ham soaked in booze. I had that, too. Boo the waitress what I was doing. There was a ham soaked in booze. That too. Booze. Yeah. Rum ham.

So Kelly is indicted for his role in assisting to, you know, bury the body and conceal the murder and all that sort of thing. Now, in his affidavit, oh boy, does some shit come out here about him. Now, Charles Kelly, he's talked to in detail and uh he's he was uh he also by the way while this was going on the reason why it was so easy to find him is that he is being held in massachusetts on completely separate charges that he sexually assaulted a 30 year old woman uh again yeah again we'll get to her, though. This is the woman that Stephen Roy hired to replace Joanna Kozak as his nanny. Oh, my God.

We'll talk about this because she's going to pop into this, too. Yeah. So Charles Kelly is being held for that first sexual assault. So they had an easy time talking to him. You tell me once a rapist, always a rapist. It's super strange, right? Once an aggressively, you know know lunatic rapist right they just that's their what they're into seems to be their thing it's disgusting so yeah uh now

kelly says he also obtained uh kelly said uh he was in an fbi in an fbi interview here uh in in florida in december with maria uh maria gives gives her statement and then he gives his statement and everything kind of gels together there because they match up here. In an affidavit, Kelly and Zarate both said that Roy told them that Kozak, he said it while they were together, Kozak, quote, presented a problem for him that he wanted to get rid of her. That's why he did what he did. He told them both that in front of each other. So also, he said that this is how this whole thing happened. And then after he said that, after Stephen told Charles Kelly about the, you know, she's been a problem. That's when he took Kelly to an abandoned graveyard.

That's because this is an abandoned graveyard. They're not burying people currently there okay and let's have sex in the abandoned graveyard it just got grosser it got how did riding a dirt bike to your fuck site in the cemetery get grosser let's fuck on top of this revolutionary war soldier when you say that's what that would be nobody's visiting him anymore we won't get caught christ what in the shit wow uh so yeah it took him and this is when he took steven took charles to show him kozak's body before they buried her this is in june so it's it's warm and it's humid and that thing is it's fast oh yeah so he said that steven said told charles that he quote he killed jo Joanna Kozak by striking her in the back of the head with a pipe more than once.

That's what he told Charles Kelly. So these stories are matching up. It also said that Kelly admitted that he helped her bury the body. Want to have it get grosser? I don't know how. Buries the body in June. Okay. They help bury the body.

No. A few weeks later. No. A few weeks later, Stephen told Charles that he had to go dig up the body. I knew it. So they went and dug up the body. This was so they could cut off her fingertips. Oh, my God.

They came back to do that. They came back to dig up the body, to dig up Joanna's body so they could cut her fingertips off to make it more difficult to identify her, apparently. But they left the teeth. And head. Maybe a tooth. Who knows? She's from Virginia.

That's true. Who fucking knows? She's a molester from Virginia. We don't know what's going on. And we don't mean to disparage the dead, but she fucking molested a kid that's kind of shitty. It's dead or not. We're in a weird spot right now.

We really are. We try not to talk about the victims like they're shitty. But then if a victim is like was ready, but she didn't get convicted of it. But she still was like arrested for molestation. My head is fucking spinning. It's too much. It's hard for us to process. If we go a little too hard on a corpse, we apologize for this episode because we're both

a little sensitive to the molesting thing. I super hate that. And we don't dig that shit so i hate murderers but i hate child molesters it's what i'm saying it's it's so it's really difficult to do it now uh also charles said that stephen roy spread pepper all over the grave to keep animals away is that a thing i don't know if that's a thing i don't know if pepper is going to keep animals from sniffing around and digging it up. If they sniff too much,

they'll sneeze and leave. They sneeze and they go. Little raccoons. Picture them sneezing with their little robber faces. They have hands. They put their little hands up over their face. My favorite noise you've ever made is an adorable raccoon sneeze. Adorable raccoons.

Little hands up. It's an adorable raccoon sneeze. His little hands up. I had to turn away to giggle. That was too much fun. I don't know. I guess their theory is if you spread pepper on the ground, the animals won't sniff and dig. There's one thing that animals hate more than anything.

It's pepper. It's a pepper sneeze. Nature's natural animal repellent, pepper, as we know. An animal's never eaten a pepper plant, ever. Never. It's never happened. They've just stayed away. They can't even get them in the fields.

If you grow pepper, you can't even have a dog. That's the problem, because they won't come near your house. That's how it works you know anything so they're thinking maybe this was payback for assaulting his daughter yeah right yeah maybe he is such a fucking i mean it's maybe he's corrected his bad dad that's the thing you know and that's crossing the line maybe he says you know fucking morally i mean i'm trying to be a good guy here but molesting is over the line i won't stand for it and i need to seek vengeance for it or maybe there was a moment where she was like you know what i know i've i've atoned i know i've apologized but i really didn't mean any of that and i'd like to get her again like that might do it that might that might get you a dirt bike ride to a cemetery yeah no no no well let's talk about it okay let's talk about uh exactly why it's probably not the

case that he's super mad at her for that roy was earlier charged and is awaiting trial for raping his daughter oh for fuck's sake he's doing it too he did that as well he's up in the ante on bad dad also forgery and a felon in possession of a firearm as well because you know he's doing it too he did that as well he's up in the ante as a bad dad also forgery and a felon in possession of a firearm as well because you know he's a super dangerous guy uh there was a scalpel involved in this procedure and uh yeah there was something i i'm not going to get into the details of the actual whatever why does he still have custody of this kid uh yeah well he that's what is happening yeah so we don't know we don't know if the daughter is here or not, or if it's just his son in the house in New Hampshire.

Any of them. He should not have a child within 100 fucking yards of him. No, he should have that in paperwork. No, he should have to live like they do with the sex offenders, like a certain amount of way away from a school. Daycare. Daycare. Church.

Anywhere where kids go. Fucking anywhere. A Chuck E. Cheese. I don't give a shit. Nowhere. Candy store. I don't give a shit. No way. And he's still I don't give it. The ice cream truck. That shit's mobile.

Oh, you should have to find out the ice cream truck's route and be a quarter mile away from that shit. Yeah. Well, did I mention this isn't his first brush with the law and with sexually aggressive behavior, illegally sexually aggressive behavior in 1979. Yeah. 1979. Now this is, you know, 13 years before this whole thing happened.

Roy in Connecticut was convicted, convicted actually, and spent six months in prison for sexual assault when he tied an 11 year old boy to a tree and sexually assaulted him. Jeez Louise. He tied an 11-year-old boy to a tree. Fuck, man. So this is not even, it doesn't even, it crosses gender, it crosses anything, it doesn't matter. He's a sick motherfucker. Yeah, he's just a sadist.

He's a sick fuck. And he loves children. Yeah. Oh, speaking of sadists. Oh, no. That's not the only thing he's ever done, by the way. We'll talk more about his charges in a minute. But I'm going to roll into them here with talking about a woman named Donna Blackburn.

Donna Blackburn is the replacement nanny for Joanna. What happened to the last nanny? Oh, she left and never came back. Really? Why is the position free? Yeah, this is an awfully plum position here. Now, Donna Blackburn, she worked for them for a while and after a while became frightened for her life uh why did was she frightened for her life it's pretty easily

explainable she told her friend why she said well at one point uh uh oh boy jesus christ at one point uh stephen roy and uh his friend who lived in the house handcuffed me to a staircase and threatened me with a gun. So they did that. She said that she had been approached up to that point. She's a 30-year-old woman, this woman. Up to that point, she'd been approached many, many times for sexual favors by both Charlie Kelly, C.J. Kelly, and Stephen Roy. Of course. They tried to get sexual favors, both Charlie Kelly, CJ Kelly and Steven, right? Of course they tried to get sexual favors,

but she always refused. So then she said the men would always brag to her about, they would try to proposition her. Then they would brag about having all sorts of, she said the way she put it, sadomasochistic sex and saying they had all sorts of bonded shit. And was she into that? And,

you know, trying to see if she grows, trying to find this nerve to hit, basically, because they're gross. Two dudes. Two dudes being like, you're into that, right? Yeah. Can't wait. Rapist dudes.

Two rapist scumbag rural New Hampshire assholes who ride dirt bikes into the cemetery to have sex. And that's considered romantic. Yeah. That's red wine and roses yeah this is my god this is fucking disgusting so yeah she said they bragged about that she also tells police uh she last saw them on november 12th when uh she saw holy shit, this was when she saw Stephen Roy sexually assault his daughter. This is what he's being charged for now also. So he's being held for that.

So she saw it. She was there and saw it. Then she took off. That was the last thing she saw was that. She saw the scalpel. She saw the whole thing. By the way, his five-year-old son was in the room while this was going on, while he was molesting his four-year-old daughter. So they were both definitely there, man, when they had the other chick there.

This is disgusting. This is so fucked up. This is fucking horrible. According to her affidavit, on November 13th, Kelly, CJ, handcuffed her to the staircase, held a gun on her, and beat her with a long leather strap. What? This is what she did. The friend that she told ended up calling the police.

The police, this is how this whole thing started. This woman told her friend, oh my God, my job, I had to quit, holy shit, they tied me up and beat me with a strap, and the guy molested his kid, and his son was there, and blah, blah, blah. She was going off. Her friend called the cops. Good. And said, dude, there's some fucked up shit. There's kids being molested.

My friend got tied up. So the cops ended up investigating this whole thing. And that's how this all came about. They ended up talking to Blackburn, who said, oh, yeah, they did this, that and that. They talked to Maria Zarate to go. Were you there? She said, no, I already left. Why'd you leave?

Oh, because he told me he killed this one and fucked her in the woods and all this shit. And it went backwards. And the cops were like, whoa, slow down. This is Donna. Yeah. Donna, bring your daughter. Come back. Hold on.

Let's get back to square one with Donna here. So this whole thing starts with Donna doing this. So it's fucking nuts here. This is a tiny little house they're going to go into. So it's fucking nuts here. This is a tiny little house they're going to go into, and this is going to lead to child rape charges and first-degree murder and all sorts of interesting shit. So now they're looking at Steven.

Let's look at the cops. They're like, well, who the hell is this Steven Roy guy? Because he sounds like a monster. Well, in 1979, he did six months in jail for tying an 11-year-old boy up to a tree and sexually assaulting him. Six months. Six months he got for that. He was a little lenient in 79.

As we know, actually, you know what? It was, because remember our first case, the Rainham, Massachusetts case, where they'd be like, well, he's, you know. Right. Tied him to a fucking tree. They'd put him in like, yeah, he'd have to live in a home for sexual deviance, and then he could work managing Dunkin' Donuts during the day, apparently. Dunkin' Donuts will hire anyone who's a sexual deviant dunkin donuts now hiring assistant managers only if

they're sexual deviant dunkin donuts america runs on rape america runs on rape that was our slogan for them yeah it's disgusting so uh i love how that's a joke and we can't be sued for that because that's a terrible slogan that no one would want no one could reasonably take that we mean that that that's their actual slogan no company would do that that's why that's legal and wonderful god damn it america oh god america's a terrible place sometimes and then sometimes it's wonderful place for reasons like that it goes both both ways, like everywhere. Otherwise, this can be a great place. Oh, this man was let out of prison because America is fucking terrible. Yeah, because we don't go hard on child rapists.

Well, yeah, back and forth. Now, in 1986, boy, he had two other children, not these two children here, two other children that he had. other children, not these two children here, two other children that he had. He was arrested after kidnapping two of his children from their mother's Connecticut home. He has four kids. At least. At least. That's what I mean.

Wow. Think about it. He's trying to, he probably has, who knows how many kids this guy has. He'd have more if 11-year-old boys could get pregnant. Yeah, that's what I mean. He is a disgusting human being. Unbelievable. And he's going to spread his seed as far and wide as it can go, because people like this always have a shitload of kids.

Why does it have to stop? He's going to be fertile. So he ends up pleading guilty to this, and they give him, what do you think sentences for this sort of thing? In 79? In 86, this is. And you're also, keep in mind. He's already approved.

Already. He's proven that this is his thing. That he's a dangerous person. Did he get a year? No, he got a suspended sentence. How do you go backward? He's good. How do you go backward in punishment?

Jimmy, it's been seven years. Yeah. And he just kidnapped his own kids. He didn't tie them to a tree and fuck them. So, I mean, at that point, he's. Still a crime against a child. You know what, though? He's getting better, they said. Let's give him to a tree and fuck him. So, I mean, at that point, he's still crime against the child. It's, you know what though?

He's getting better. They said, let's, let's give him a suspended. So ridiculous. At least he didn't try to, you know, I'd say we put him in jail for a while.

Let him think about ever going near children. Now, 1990, uh, this is when Roy and Maria, who is the mother of his two younger children, because he has two and two, uh,

that's when they moved to Fremont. And that's when Joanna Kozak moves in with them a little bit after that. That's how this whole thing happens. Joanna was, like we said, a fugitive from Virginia, charged with sexually assaulting Roy's daughter. Now, the children,

those kids, though, were in Virginia. The one that she molested, they were still down there in state custody so they were taken away but he has other kids here that she's going to babysit so he should not be allowed around any kids in January 1991 it's a year and a half before

the murder the New Hampshire's division for children and youth services they told Virginia the people down in virginia not to send the kids for a visit because it's not a safe environment for them so that was their job is i guess they had to go up check out the environment and then tell virginia whether it was okay for them to send the kids up for a visit between permission yeah exactly because obviously

they're in the state and uh but the problem is the children ended up coming for a few months and uh staying there anyway so they couldn't figure out if it was a paperwork thing if there was a missed signal and the different state agencies working together or if they just said fuck it we're doing it anyway yeah and nobody paid attention enough to stop it nobody wants we're not sure exactly what happened so then a year year later, that's when Charles Kelly gets out of jail. He's an old friend of Stevens. Hey, my old jailed rapist buddy. There you are.

Wonderful. Yeah. So this was down in Virginia, and he moves up to plenty of room, all sorts of room up here in Fremont. Come on in here. Yeah. So that's what ended up happening. And then in June, Kozak disappeared. They hired Donna Blackburn.

She spills the beans to her friend her friend calls the cops all this shit starts going backwards this is quite the tale uh let's just say that you're spinning a yarn sir this is a yarn this is quite the yard now uh uh there is another informant in this whole deal uh which is fucking crazy uh this other informant said that uh uh everything everything the police ended up saying everything that everything that informant told us was right on the money uh now this other informant said that kelly uh that the other informants donna blackburn and she said that kelly sexually assaulted her too uh she said she never met kozak this is a fucked up thing she never met Kozak because she was hired to replace her, obviously. But she did see a wallet with pictures of Kozak that she knew were pictures of Kozak

because there was also Kozak's ID up there kept in Stephen Roy's attic. So he keeps souvenirs. Yeah, that's the other thing So he keeps souvenirs. Yeah, that's the other thing. Gotta remember. He keeps souvenirs, and up in the attic, that's got a very nothing-but-trouble feel to it. To keep someone's ID. Every time I see attic, I remember Christmas vacation.

You get locked in there. Yeah, you get locked up there. The door closes behind you, and you can't get down. You're stuck in that attic with the insulation. Can't go anywhere until you step on the drywall and go through. Yeah, that's what happens. You end up on your kid's bed. You have to step over those beams

because there's no floor. Right, or step on the beams because there's no floor. Hit your fucking head on the other beams. Assholes. Now, the police end up, when they searched Stephen's house,

they end up recovering Joanna's belongings. So because of that tip, they looked specifically for that and found it. And so that's pretty good evidence also against him. They watched some Christmas vacation videos. Probably. They played the films on the wall. You put one down. You just put them on the wall.

You can see them. It's cool. You put your wife's maternity clothes on. You hang out up there. Throw a feather bow around your back. It's perfect i always loved how in uh in uh arrested development they did like the exact same thing with uh with jeffrey tambor up in the attic really he's wearing jason bateman's wife's maternity clothes from boxes when they came up there and he's like just depressed living in the

attic by himself when he's hiding jason bateman's so good he is jeffrey tambor's um he's just amazing he is good god damn it is he fucking hilarious he really is hank kingsley is one of the greatest most awful people great characters ever to live that's just the best on larry sanders but uh anyway uh this donna blackburn's uh uh donna blackburn jesus christ yeah i don't know how much i can really talk about this but uh yeah the sexual assault and there's a scalpel involved and she saw the whole child yeah yeah that's enough that's enough and uh yeah she uh also said that oh my god she wanted steven to take the child to the

hospital you know like a human to wounds uh yeah and he said that he couldn't take her to the hospital why couldn't he take her to the hospital quote he had whipped her earlier and she's too bruised oh boy that's why because you know it's not enough that he molests her that he also beat her too badly to take her to the fucking hospital at this point so if this person couldn't be any more just repugnant as a human being. There he is. Now, on the tip, they still had to find the body because all they had was literally an old graveyard, something in there. And this is a Revolutionary War era graveyard. We're talking, I don't know if you've seen these back east, but like every neighborhood back east kind of has these.

I remember where I grew up, they would have them. It would be like. It's like a plot of land. It's a plot, like where a house would be. It's like house, house, house, empty plot, just graveyards. The small, and there are those white tombstones, the white stones, and they're so, it's engraved, and it's so worn now from hundreds of years of wind and rain. Some of them you can't see at all, and some of them you have to go real close, and you

can make out 1791 death day and death date and shit like that. You have to put a piece of paper down and do a coal rubbing to try to find out who the fuck is there. Yeah, it's like a Ouija board. You need a medium. When did you die? Speak to me through the coal. Speak to me through the tombstone, Cole.

So they called over Detective Dave Kelly. More Kellys in this. Good Lord. The Northeast is full of Kellys, you Irish. More Kellys in this. Good Lord. The Northeast is full of Kellys, you Irish bastards. All of you. So, yeah, they zero in on this graveyard. And he has his dog with him named Kaiser. This was like his first big case, this police detective with his Kaiser German Shepherd.

Which, if it's a German Shepherd, don't give it German names, too. You're making it a little too German. It's a bit too much. Yeah. He said Kaiser concentrated on the cemetery, but Kelly didn't think he was there because it appeared untouched. It was a huge, what he called a huge, there was a huge trees with complex root systems that spread all around the graves.

That's one way to confuse the fuck out of a cadaver dog. Yeah. In a cemetery? In a cemetery. Find the body, Jeff. Find the body, pup. Shit. Get in there, fucker. Get in there in there well i would think after 200 something years i don't know how much stink they would have to them they're just bones at that point i don't know it's been how many years since 9-11 they have

cadaver dogs less than 200 i lot less my point is they have cadaver dogs work in the the museum and they find stuff every day that's that's human uh human decomp which makes sense today yeah because that's bananas this was yeah 200 years like he said though there it was so it hadn't been touched since the revolutionary war era so the trees had grown so the roots were all through the graves and shit. Crazy. There's no just cemetery with trees around it. It's all in the, like you couldn't get.

It's just one body at this point. Yeah, if you went in and tried to dig it up, you'd just be hitting roots, and you would eventually hit a coffin that's been totally taken apart by roots. You wouldn't know where's a body and what's a tree root. No, that's the thing. There'd be roots growing through skeletons,

and that's the way it would be. So he didn't understand it and uh uh so then he said uh it looked unscathed and he said maybe the dog just you know smelled one of these old bodies yeah who knows maybe he's really good right this fucking dog's amazing a revolutionary war captain right here it's pretty impressive that's that's impressive we laid out this whole cemetery and where every single body is based on kaiser kaiser's amazing he knows everybody yeah he's this guy he said had cancer i'm not sure i'm not i don't know so uh yeah but i guess he said he uh he told his wife and his wife told him to trust the dog yeah uh for for his whole thing so then there was supposed to be a snowstorm the next day because it was December.

So instead, he went back in the early morning and let the dog fuck around and paw at the dirt where it was. And then he said he grabbed a shovel and dug around a little bit and didn't find anything, but saw the dog digging next to the hole. So he moved over a little bit and dug. And he said about eight inches below the surface, he found Joanna's body. Wow. Eight, and not even, I mean, barely covered. A shovel full of dirt on top.

That is terrible. Yeah, that's just lazy. Eight inches is nothing. That's just fucking plain lazy at that point. You're not even trying. And even more disrespectful. Yeah. If you couldn't disrespect somebody more by fucking them in a graveyard, and an old graveyard and then an abandoned old graveyard and then barely do that.

And kind of cut their fingertips off. Right. And then came back to rebury. It's disgusting. So that's just fucking. And in his mind, it's an abandoned graveyard that no one goes in. No one's visiting these graves. There's all trees going through it. No one cares. If anything, it's just teenagers to smoke weed. No one's visiting these graves. There's all trees going through it.

No one cares. If anything, it's just teenagers to smoke weed. No one's going to fucking look in here. Drunken teenagers aren't going to dig in the ground. Wait. He took fingertips. Where the fuck did those go? I assume he probably scattered them through the woods to decompose, I would imagine.

That's even worse, right? Probably just took them and flung them around like a shot putter, I would think, and just let them go on their own. So this Roy, Stephen Roy, is arrested. I don't know when he's arrested. He killed her in June of 92, April 12th, 1993. Wow. They don't arrest him until they get Charlie Kelly's corroborating testimony of all that shit. Because otherwise it's a lot of he said, she said.

It's an ex-wife or an ex-girlfriend saying that he told me he killed her. And it's like some other weird shit. They can arrest him on the child murder, child rape, and stuff like that. And they do. They take him in. But that's why they wait to charge him, too, because they have him on other things. Yeah, he's not going anywhere. Well, let's wait until we gather all the evidence before we really.

Then we can charge him with first degree and fuck him good. There you go. And they charge him with first degree and fuck him good there you go and uh they charge him with first degree murder indeed so uh yeah uh he's arrested for five charges as a matter of fact he's arrested for aggravated felonious sexual assault on his daughter uh there uh in addition to a bunch of other shit and first degree murder and weapons charges because he had weapons around the house and he's a felon he's not supposed to have that uh yeah it's uh it's a fucking mess basically He's not supposed to have that. It's a fucking mess, basically. He's held without bail.

Yeah, good. It's first-degree murder. And he's a scumbag. And, you know, yeah. And so there's a hearing scheduled. Roy doesn't say shit in court. Doesn't do anything. His lawyer, Steven Jeffco, said that Roy is going to plead innocent if they get the indictment.

If they get that indictment. You know know with all those eyewitnesses I'd say it's pretty clear they're going to get the indictment all these stories that tend to corroborate each other he's not the CEO of a fortune 500 company they were like if we can get the indictment on this guy we got a shot he's a scumbag child molesting murderer so we can indict him pretty quickly I would imagine Jeffco the defense attorney also said the prosecutors would have charged him months ago if they had any goddamn evidence. Clearly, they don't have any evidence or else they wouldn't wait five months to charge him. He says, quote, they don't have a case. Oh, boy.

Except for all of that evidence. He goes back into his office and giggles his balls off that he said that. He's like, I hope they, wow, we're fucked. He's got to just be like i can't believe i i mustered the courage to say all that shit jesus but that's what i'm saying but uh it's fucking crazy uh the assistant district attorney here assistant attorney general i'm sorry uh he says uh quote he's wrong we have the evidence we need he said that the investigators quote put the icing on the cake after interviewing people in flor where Stephen Roy used to leave used to live.

He says quote Stephen Roy. We believe is a vicious killer who deserves to be brought to justice. I guarantee you there's more bodies on this fucking. Absolutely. 11 year old boy up to a tree and sexually assault him and then get caught for it and go to jail you're thinking next time i'm not leaving anybody to fucking right to to be to tell anybody and there was far too much time between then oh yeah he didn't he wasn't just quiet chilling out no that's what i mean that he figured that out that his lesson was don't leave anybody alive i think in that scenario because he didn't just stop doing that no way he was doing that more and probably killing people with it because there's no way there's no fucking way he just and then you get brazen enough to do it to somebody

that's in your life all the time yeah and that's how you get caught right if he did it to strangers if he found some if he just ran across some woman on the side of the road or something like that he could have got away with see the green river killer right see gary ridgeway killed so many people because he just killed people that weren't in his same time period not in his sphere right you know the exact same time period yeah yeah through there through the 80s and that's what happened too this is pre-dna this is pre a lot of shit so yeah he says uh stephen roy's a vicious killer deserves to be brought to justice let's find out what they found in Stephen King, in Stephen Roy's house. Stephen King wouldn't even have this weird shit in his house, and he's a weird motherfucker.

He's got it all in his brain, though. It's all up there, yeah. He's going to write it out. Keep it up there, Steve. Now, they found sexual bondage photos of, like, you know, weird shit that he's into. Whatever, it's 92. There's no internet. A videotape of child pornography.

That's a bit much. That is way too much. Way too much. Too much. I would say any frame of child pornography is way too much. Now they found dildos and vibrators, which is fine. How many people have dildos and vibrators? Fucking tons of them.

Women have sex toy parties where they get together and be like, I love to shove that in my vagina give me that one i'm gonna stick it up inside me right like so i mean people don't care that's out in the open but he had 107 dildos that is a much too much that's too many dildos i'm sorry i mean i don't mean seven i don't want to judge people for their sexual shit you could have a lot of dildos drawers full I don't want to judge people for their sexual shit. You could have a lot of dildos. Jaws full. I don't care. A hundred and seven? That's like a store's inventory.

Yeah. More than that. That's the back room. That's a shitload of them. We only keep 60 out on the floor, though. We got another 57 in the back room. 47 in the back room. If you don't see the color you want or whatever, we can go back and check our back stock out.

Because we have it. A hundred and seven. A hundred and seven is objectively too many dildos. want or whatever we can go back and check our back stock out because we have it 107 107 is objectively too many dildos i'm gonna go out and say it's just too many that's it's so many picture them lined up 10 by 10 on a wall i'm just gonna say picture them lined up it's hard to just picture a pile of dildos 107 picture 10 dildos lined up okay now 10 more times and then add 7 to that. 9 more times and then add 7 to it. 10 by 10 on a wall and then 7 more. That's so many dildos.

That's too many. Like that wall in front of us, the whole wall would be dildos. We couldn't put... We couldn't fill that with dildos. No, you couldn't put 107 on that wall. That's a big fucking wall. Our studio does not have the wall space

for that many dildos and it's a decent sized studio. So we're talking talking i say that's when you know it's too much i'd have to store a couple up my ass james yeah while we were recording we'd have to have one in your ass and i'd put one in my ass and then we'd have a couple in each hand which you want to have anyway feels good to just you know it's not even out the way it's very secure to just to have a couple of dildos in your hand you know that works 107 dildos that's too many dildo listeners we understand we probably have because we have listeners that are in all sorts of freak they'll tweet about their freaky sexual shit do any of you have 107 dildo i'll bet there's not one nobody because i feel like when you're buying like 50 new dildos there's so many girls right now counting their they're like oh my god do i have 107 22 i'm fine you throw your old

dildos out generally i got better dildos now or is it like that old dildo like it's tripped down memory lane there's so much is it like memory lane is it like how you know i don't know you look at it remember the boys that you used it because you broke up it's like a picture of an old girlfriend or what is it like is i don't know i don't know if it's like oh boy we had some good times with this one i really i remember that one rough patch i was going through old sparky here got me dog got a hold of it you're like i can't use it anymore but i'm leave it in the trunk just because we got good memories whole thing he got me through got me through it. So I'm going to go ahead and keep him for now. And before you know it, you have 107 dildos. 107 is a lot.

I don't have 107 of anything. I don't. That is a lot. I can't think of 107. What do I have 107 of? Nothing. No. Not 107. That's your soup. there's a lot i can't think of 107 what do i have 107 of nothing no not 107 that's your soup that's your okay i barely have 107 dollars yeah that's what i'm saying like i like to collect things you know i mean i don't have 107 of anything i collect shit so that's a dildo obsession that's not even a collection like he should have like he should have a dildo museum

he should open the new hampshire dildo museum because he with 107 that's not just ones you found at the store he probably has like old dildos like metal dildos from like the the iron age you know what i mean he's got wooden dildos steampunk themed ones martha washington used to own like a wooden steampunk dildos from the renaissance festival maybe that's what happened he goes there they have that man is known by name at a fuck shop oh sure steve there you are hey steve we got a new one new stock in this week oh i'll take them all obviously 107 dildos james is so much money he has sunk his his futures into dildo yeah he's those are fuck 80 40 to 80 dollars a piece he's like i have diversified um i put my money into my 401k i have a pension plan and i have a spread out across dildos man's got upwards of four grand

in dildos he's got four is that how much dildos. He's got four grand. Is that how much dildos are? At least. I mean, they go anywhere from, I don't know, 40 to 20, I guess, if you get a cheap, terrible one. I mean, they go up. A cheap, terrible one. Those dildos no good. The dildos that don't do anything. They're just hard. I thought it had jagged plastic on it.

It's poorly put together. It's got a bad, jagged seam. It calls you a bitch. It calls you a fat bitch. You're like, what the? This isn't what I paid for. I have 107 of these? Jesus.

Unless you're into that kind of thing. Just degrading you. Bad dildo. I guess that's why you're not allowed to take dildos back to the store. That's the one thing I know about dildos. You're not allowed to take themildos back to the store. That's the one thing I know about dildos. You're not allowed to take them back. No returns on those. No returns on those.

That's all yours now. It's like a Halloween costume. Enjoy. That one's yours now. Yeah. It's all you. You wore it on your balls. So, okay.

I realize that we're children, but we've talked about 107 dildos. That's crazy. For a long time. That's so many. But it's just so many that it's hard to get past. It really is. There was no way you were saying that to me. And me not going, wait.

Well, that's why I was like, okay. That's why I had to ask you, how many dildos is too many dildos, do you think? Because there was no way I was just going to pass over this like a list. Well, you had A, B, C, and D. And one of them, C, is 107 dildos. We're not doing that. We don't get a lot of guys in this show that have 107 dildos. No.

And we're going to talk about it when it comes out. I would venture to say that the majority of women probably, I'll bet the average, right around seven. Seven dildos like a day of the week. Like they bought one and then they were like, well, I want a bigger one. And this one vibrates better. And I say they fill it in holes and gaps, for lack of a better term. There's very

rarely that woman that finds one and then sticks with that one forever i would think yeah you're gonna get a few to see you gotta find out what goes yeah you pretend like you're it's a first date one night it's like shoes yeah it's different occasions all right i get you there that's right but is there 107 different occasions i would not think so that's a lot of occasions too many for for dildos so now he's got sexual bondage photos yeah a videotape of child pornography and 107 dildos that's our list so put them in jail just for that forever just for the child porn and then'm going to throw an aggravator on for 107 dildos. I don't know why. Yeah.

That's aggressive. I'm good with it. That's an aggravator, I would say. Also, a computer disk labeled, quote, killings. Okay. With a Z. With an S. Oh.

Killings. Not killing. Right. Killings. Which is interesting. Killing-za. Not killing. Right. Killings, which is interesting. I mean, that could be anything. That could be a book called Killings. That could be, we don't know. But from a guy who tied an 11-year-old boy to a tree in 1979 and sexually assaulted,

anything's possible. Listen, it could be his garage band. There's a band called The Killers. Yeah, that's true. It could have been all of his best open mic stand-up sets. Bang. Killings. This is me killing every fucking night.

Every time, knocking it out. This is all of my killings. My best open mic sets is what he did. And every time I had a good one, I celebrated with going home, buying a dildo on the way home. I had 107 good sets. Unbelievable. I need sleep unreal fucking delirious i have not slept in like three days this is ridiculous but it's so funny uh and i can't stop also a computer disc titled this is not funny how to abduct a child okay how to abduct a child. Okay. How to abduct a child. Yeah.

That's a computer disk. And he wrote that. Someone put, we don't know if he wrote that, if someone else did, but it seems like that's a wizard software. Yeah. What a software. Oh, that's disks and programs and things that you put on disks as software. You put software on a disk.

So how to abduct a child. Oh boy. Okay? Also found many blank Massachusetts driver's licenses. Blank? Blank. Blank. You know, if you wanted to make new ones for people and make new IDs for people so you

could have different identities and go places and be different people and disappear. How the hell did he get those? Don't know, but that is very useful if you were going to go around and kill people and get pulled over. Back then, when the interstate computer systems weren't quite the same and shit like that. Do you want to get caught buying 107 fuck toys? Absolutely. Also, they think in his business, he was also running a fake license business on the side. That's what he was doing.

How to abduct a child. Unreal. And 107 dildos. Unreal. Too many. And child porn. And child porn. It's all very disgusting when you add it all up.

Oh, that's not enough. Or that's not everything. You want to get creepier, Jimmy? You want to even be more grossed out by this person. Two electronic voice disguisers. What? With all this stuff. Oh, no.

This is his kit. Oh, which one are you grossed out by more? The 107 or that? That. That. Two of those. You abduct a child and fucking voice disguisers. That is awful.

And goddamn 107 dildos. I don't like this. This is disgusting. Yeah. Oh, a video camera as well. You know, because you're going to want to document your outings uh and a pistol as well yeah you know because you can't sometimes people don't do what you ask them to do and you need to force them to do it right uh yeah uh that was and also joanna

kozak's wallet and personal belongings yeah this was his little stash that he had that was in the attic this was all his stuff that he had that his attic is grosser than i thought it is the grossest attic ever uh he no he's he doesn't deserve anyone's maternity clothes so um wow i mean i'm just okay i needed it how did he stay i needed a breath damn long man this long yeah he's got much shit wow um well let's see here the prosecutor's a fucking idiot that's why and uh there's a whole article that I found in the newspaper now, and I, goddammit, I'll post it. I cannot find the person's name who wrote this article right now. Dammit.

It's a really good article where it's like an editorial where this guy is saying that this prosecutor is a fucking moron. We'll talk about this prosecutor. A complete idiot. And Eldridge is his name, the prosecutor eldridge prosecutor eldridge and he says that uh yeah he goes off on this and he's a carlton eldridge and he's uh i think from what he sounds like it sounds like he's pretty right he's squared off in court with with uh steven before this well let's talk about here the trial for for his sexual assault

of his daughter steven sexual assault of the daughter this is the first should have been a fucking slam dunk you got a way easy slam dunk doesn't go very well i don't know why uh the the they have a witness it's donna tale donna blackburn uh she was there obviously uh she was supposed to testify that she witnessed this whole thing by By the way, she's in Kentucky. She moved to Kentucky after all this down there. Apparently, Prosecutor Eldridge here didn't issue a subpoena for Blackburn because he thought of her, as the way they put it in this article, a, quote, friendly witness. They said she's a friendly witness. She'll show up voluntarily to testify.

We don't need to subpoena her. Totally fine. Problem is, she didn't show up. No, we don't need to subpoena her totally fine problem is she didn't show up no because she's fucking terrified of this man terrified of him because he's a violent maniac god damn idiot i know that and i'm a moron and especially when you hear what you what he what they found in his house and listen she was in there she probably just went i want nothing to do with these people ever again i'm not doing shit so guess what roy got off on it wow he didn't get he didn't get convicted of the so guess what roy got off on it wow he didn't get he didn't get convicted of the molestation he got off on it and then he got off on it twice

motherfucker he got acquitted so they can't even fucking try him they got acquitted which is fucking crazy i want to fight eldridge uh yeah so uh he's supposed to be tried for uh assault on his daughter as well or no that that's that was the trial here and uh yeah no witness for that uh it is crazy so she uh she just stayed in kentucky didn't come up and this guy didn't do shit she had lived there for a month down in kentucky or in that house uh within fremont with them and uh yeah she's fucking scarred for life probably she was handcuffed she's probably fucking banister yeah she's and now she's found out boy i just escaped without being raped and killed with my life with my life and my dignity and without 107 dildos sticking out every orifice

of my fucking new ones that they invented and everything else uh so she's probably got ptsd and she's probably in fucking therapy i guarantee i guarantee you if she's probably got PTSD, and she's probably in fucking therapy. I guarantee that. I guarantee you if she's in therapy, her therapist probably said, don't go back to fucking New Hampshire to relive this again. I understand it's bad, but my job is to look over your mental sanity, and you going up there and doing this

is going to be terrible for you. It will undo everything I've done and more. Don't do that. No. Any therapist worth their shit yeah say that because like i said their their job isn't to take care of the child that that's not their patient their job is to take care of her so yeah uh it's any basically and they say in this article quote it should have occurred to the county attorney that a witness who had just been through such an ordeal

just might choose to stay away yeah no. Especially once you get away. Maybe issue the subpoena just as a, just as a, even if you think she'll show she can't wait to come here. Just in case. Formalities. Put it on the table

so, you know, she has to, you know, just in case something comes up or, or whatever. Instead you lose. You took the L, you dickhead.

Yeah. But this, this reporter found a statement from Carlton Eldridge, the, this is the prosecutor, who was asked the year before about his handling of rape cases, because he's been criticized for his handling of rape cases before.

Apparently he's not very good at them. And the reason why is I don't feel like he's that zealous about them, and let's find out why. This is what he said. I have to quote an asshole, so hold on a second here. Quote, there is a biological thing. I don't know how to build this into the equation. Jimmy's already got his mouth open, eyes wide.

First fucking sentence. When you watch the Discovery Channel and you see deer and elk rutting, part of the come on is the female resistance. Fuck you, dude. This is what he said. We're not animals. That's the difference. I get it that we're mammals, but there a difference we have a fucking society yeah i've never seen an

antelope go pay a mortgage that's the other thing i was gonna say i've never seen an antelope be taken away in cuffs so that's the reason why they're fucking talking shit about his giant dildo collection wow he drops his big horns he's like i know i know too many dildos man too many dildos man i know even many dildos, man. I know. Even 82's crazy. Clucks behind his back. Bro, I know. I fucking get it, all right?

Hey, dude, lower my fucking horns before you put me in the car, bro. They bang on the fucking roof. Eldridge is an asshole. That's not it. He's saying it's an animalistic need. Yeah. We gotta chase pussy. He even, to not only animalisticistic need he said the female resistance is

part of the turn oh god it gets you going you can tell by watching the discovery channel so that makes it okay for people we can think and reason and go that's not okay no she doesn't want it i'm not allowed to fucking take it whether it turned you on or not you're not allowed to fucking do it period end of story don't fuck anyone who doesn't want to fuck you there is that's it there's no easy is that there's nothing less hot than the word no no bed dude it's so easy not to rape it's so fucking easy it's so when someone doesn't want to fuck you you go cool and you don't fuck them it's amazing it's genuinely that easy shit animals don't talk no they don't even have a a whole signal system they don't even realize what they're doing half the time my dog

will jump up and start humping on my other dog he doesn't even have balls it's just an instinct to hump a little bit he's like huh then you yell at him he's like oh my bad i didn't realize what i was doing that's different that is there's nothing less hot no than the word no it's a horrible word it's a boner killer it should be it should that means you're sane right that's your biological thing keeping you from fucking raping that's what that is or your whatever mental thing that you've built in your head hey when they say no don't be into it cool boner goes away don't rape anymore jesus christ what the fuck is wrong with people insanity there's no well there's no well just stop just don't just no for the love of christ so biological thing i don't know how to build a cinema equation. When you watch Discovery Channel

and you see deer and elk running, part of the come on is the female resistance. The sex drive of the male mounts and mounts and the female resists it so his drive gets stronger and stronger.

Something tells me there's no Mrs. Eldridge. If she is, she is one sad woman. She has 107 dildos. 107 dildos and goes to church six times a week and then goes home and fuck has 107 dildos. 107 dildos and goes to church six times a week and then goes home and fucks herself with dildos.

Poor Mrs. Eldridge. Hey, that's right. If it's not reasonably, whatever. Carl Neldridge has 175 dildos. He actually set the North American record for dildo collecting. It's amazing. Like we said, he actually has metal ones. He has one built, actually built from the hull of one

of the sunken battleships from World War II. It's very patriotic. It's red, white, and blue. He actually had one of those divers go down and take one of the steam racks from the Titanic. I've heard that. He has one made from a fallen snowmobile from one of these water races, a sunken one. He has dildos made

from that. Dildos made from everything. he is a Guinness World Record so he got the golden dildo yeah good thing about it you can fuck yourself with it well that's true that's that's a good thing which is he's kind of into because he's had some weird sexual shit he was actually convicted of raping a nun at the age of four years old which is odd because usually don't even get boners like that but he was convicted. It was a big nun, too. She was 300 pounds.

He apparently knocked her over the head with a frying pan, pinned her down, and he said Cosby-style ho while he was doing it, which was like super weird. She was out cold. So Carl Neldridge has had a weird upbringing. He's a real turd. We can't go to New Hampshire ever, by the way. I can't ever go near here now. So I'll be in prison. I don't want to fight him anyway. I do want to kick this guy's ass at this prosecutor. He's a real turd. We can't go to New Hampshire ever, by the way. I can't ever go near here now, because I'll be in prison. I want to fight him anyway. I do want to

kick this guy's ass at this point. We can't say that, probably. No, probably not. I want to. We're not going to. We're not going to. No. But he can go fuck himself with a golden dildo. That he can do, absolutely. Golden. Really make it golden. Put the flag on it, though. I want a patriotic golden dildo.

I want it to be gold with a flag around it just to show how much of an american hero you are mr eldridge you fucking tool fuck yourself you're more than welcome to come on the show to defend yourself if you'd like to i'd love to chat you will have a little chat and you can tell us why this is not the stupidest thing i've ever heard wait to yank this quote back out and read it verbatim to you. There's more. Oh, Jesus. There's more to this quote. So his sex drive gets stronger and stronger.

The female resistance serves a function in lower animals. Okay, that's the only thing that he said that's true in the entire... Yes, the female function in lower animals. Like, you know, ones that aren't people. Right. That have no... Way lower down the food chain. Yeah.

The no, no, no is a biological thing that is a come on to the male. I don't know how that fits into the equation, but we are biological beings. It's a complex subject. He just said rape is complex because animals just fuck each other and we're at the core animals,

so it's hard to decipher. No! I had no idea that prosecutors were also uh biological uh yeah scholars what is this you know what animals also do they fucking kill each other for food they also eat their own shit they eat their own shit jimmy if you have mcdonald's can i stab you in the face for it because i'd like mcdonald's but i want that mcdonald's but if i say no is that a turn on to you then i gotta fuck your face while i eat your cheeseburger get out my dildo collection if you're not careful this guy's an asshole what a piece of garbage carl eldridge you complete and

utter piece of shit you're worthless you are and you let a rapist get away with it so you're certainly worthless and how many other rapists has he got? Because if this is his attitude, what do you think if it's a case where there's not a ton of evidence but the woman is definitely fucking, you know,

thinks it happened or says it happened to her and this is all going on? You think he believes her? No. How often do you think he goes, well, you know what,

this is ridiculous. He needs some more proof, ma'am. How ticky tack is that? Yeah. I was reading a thing, actually, if you read in the Hell's Angels book, the Hunter Thompson book, this is from 1965.

But in California in 1964 or 63, I don't remember, there was over 3,000 reported rapes. Yeah. Reported rapes. Okay? So that means that there was- There's 1,000. 50,000 rapes. There's probably 10 billion.

Well, they say it's 10 to 1. Yeah. So that means that it was at least 30,000 and probably 50,000 in the 60'm sure they were carl there was a four-year-old on the loose oh that's a little rock hard golden cock on him so fuck i hate him out of 3,000 reported rapes do you know how many actually went to trial oh 10 oh jesus do you know how many actually were convicted? Another 10%. 5%. Oh, my God. 5%. So it turns out, not of that, it turns out of 3,000 cases reported, 5% in those cases came to a conviction. Wow.

5%. That was in 1965. So we're talking about a guy, and if he's been around for a while, unless he's a really young guy, that's his mindset right of well these girls and they take their stories back and they do this and they do that that's how he thinks obviously and he says you know sometimes she's playing the game too with the no no no and then when is it not no no no no that is not how many times has he been told no and kept oh yeah you disgusting piece of shit also rape might be the safest fucking crime to commit thinking about

it like that that is statistically statistically you have the least chance of getting caught wow it's the it's the it's the it's a zero-sum game too because it's like you have the least chance of getting caught but if you do get caught you are the biggest piece of shit yeah so it's because you really fucked pieces of shit you fucked up bad rather have 107 how dare you get caught fucking assholes man stop fucking people don't want you stop so this pissed off everybody there's a bunch of women's organizations in the area that whose heads exploded rightfully so and somebody out of your fucking i would hope men's organizations would go hey stop giving us a bad name i would 100 be like no don't do that not representing our part no this guy

doesn't not nothing he said is what i believe he's also not a man anymore no you lost your not a man yeah your dick points are gone now so uh uh he he says he then held a press conference saying that he really does get it and he knows what they're getting at and he's fine whoops the daisy then he got re-elected. What? Oh, yeah. Re-elected. That's why he apologized.

Because no one cares. That's the only reason he apologized. Then he got re-elected, because who fucking cares? That's the thing. And he proved that nobody gave a fuck. Nobody cares. Because that's what happened. It's ridiculous, man.

Nowadays, hopefully, that was the early 90s. Right. There was no Twitter. Yeah. I would hope nowadays, saying some stupid shit like that. I don't care. Any hillbilly county in the fucking country, I would assume, would go, okay, we can't have that. Obviously not him, right? Jesus Christ.

I mean, not Alabama, because they'll elect Roy Moore to an office. That's another story. Sorry, Alabama. Not sorry. You did it to yourself. Stop electing these fucking child molesters to office. I understand you didn't elect him on this last one, but he's running again in 2020. Fucking eyes on you, motherfuckers. Keep going, guys.

Guess what? Didn't go away. He still fucking tried to fuck little kids, so stop that shit. Unreal. Yeah, we don't get into politics. No. Don't elect child molesters. That's not political. Period. I don't care what his policies are. No. Don't elect child molesters. I don't care what ticket he runs on. It doesn't matter to me. Fuck him. I don't

give a shit. That's not political. That's just anti-child molester, which should be non-political.'s the thing exactly we've come to a place where that's political now well i mean i don't know if you're it's yeah i mean he it's a red ticket you know so he's left-wing assholes i can't fucking try to date teenagers what the fuck no it's not these right wing or whatever the fuck it doesn't matter it's not political so yeah let's notice we didn't mention a party because it doesn't matter. It's one guy's an asshole. Don't vote for that guy ever. So this trial here, there's a trial for him on October 26th, 1993.

Maria, the Zerati Karate Kid, is the state's lead witness, obviously. She was living down in Florida at that point. She said that he told her that he killed Joe he said that he killed Joanna Kozak quote for his family his computer business for himself and for Zorati this was for everybody he was making

country and for the flag he said it with the with the dildo flag in his hand flag dildo he said in honor of the country with this golden flag the dildo flag in his hand. With the flag dildo. And he said, honor our country with this golden flag-wrapped dildo. I did it for God, country, and my software business. So, yeah. For all of us.

So the defense, though, because they gave C.J. Kelly immunity from prosecution to testify against him. Scotty, but I mean, we got to... Well, by all accounts by all accounts he had no participation in the murder he only had participation in the in the burial of the body and it was where he was staying and you have the uh yeah plausible deniability i'm fucking horrified of this man he's got a dead body that's the thing to do what was i supposed to do i was scared of him he took me in the woods 107 dildos and a dead body? I said, shit. That's too much. 107 dildos, I'll spill the beans.

Once I see a body, it's like, oh, he means business. Those dildos are coming into action now. So maybe he just really liked dirt bikes. He liked to fire all the vibrators up at once. Oh, they all sound like a dirt bike. Yeah, he did that in the winter when he couldn't ride. I'm not sure. Put him on a hardwood floor.

Yeah. It really sounds like a floor strut. It's good stuff. That is fucking ridiculous. That is ridiculous. So they're blaming, the defense is going to blame C.J. Kelly. It's going to blame Charles Kelly. Be like, it was fucking Charlie that did this shit. It was obviously him.

He worked for, the defense described him, this is the quote they used. They described him as was fucking Charlie that did this shit. It was obviously him. He worked for the defense described him. This is the quote they used. They described him as a, quote, demon gardener. Well, he gardens and he just he's a demon. I tell you, he just he's all. I mean, he's good at it. I just he's a demon. And out there.

Yeah. Oh, you what? Running. I'll tell you what. Forty dollars a month. He's a demon. He had one hundred eighty yards rushing last week. He's a demon on that field.

Boy, you can't tackle him. He'll spin move out your arms and four touchdowns. Sometimes a demon's a good thing. That's what I mean. But yeah, he says the defense lawyer here, who's a woman named Barbara Keshen, she said that, quote, they disposed of her and concocted an alibi. That's the defense attorney. She said they also fabricated, quote quote an elaborate charade that joanna

had taken off which happened uh now maria's karate zarate and charles kelly claim that steven roy told them about the killing with the pipe and all that sort of thing uh and uh the defense just says this is based on biased witnesses quote not believable not credible which i i mean i think uh all of them are the fact that everything maria said was backed up by finding a fucking body says it's pretty credible when there's when there's facts that line up with the story well what they say the defense's uh point of view is uh karate zarate and kelly did it together without steven's knowledge at all so that's why they have so much information because they knew where the body is so clearly they did it they did

it and yeah it was did you ask him the only thing he knew where was 107 lots of dildos he said i got sex toy maybe he was just planning on opening a sex shop you know he's an entrepreneur he's been working on the graphics and the branding right you know what he is? He's a perfectionist, is what it is. And he said, you know what? I'm not ready. I'm not happy with this logo yet. I'm going to... I'm waiting on that dot-com business to take off, and I can do all these dildos for my garage.

That's the thing. See, the key to dildos is branding. That's really what it is. The key... I'm going to get in on the ground floor on the internet and get dildos.com. Oh, man. Number one on the list. I'm going to unload these 107. I'm going to get fuckos.com. Oh, man. Number one on the list. I'm going to unload these 107.

I'm going to get fucksticks.net and you're never going to fucking stop it. 107 will fly out this garage. You never know. They got wings like that. I'm going to have to buy me another load. So, now they all obviously lived in the house.

And Sarati said that Roy, this all started in August. Fucksticks.net. Fucksticks.net. No good. It's not where you shop for your dildos, Jimmy. Fucksticks.net. That was like a brain bomb and it exploded in my head.

It was a grenade. It was a joke grenade. Just throw it out there. It was about 12 seconds. A dildo grenade that exploded in my brain and 107 dildos rattled off the inside of my skull I picture him blowing up then falling down

with little tiny parachutes with American flags on them right patriotic golden dildos salute those dildos as they fall god bless America if you're a certain prosecutor you may fuck yourself with them as they hit the ground. Oh, please do.

Just load them on up. As one hits, jam it on in there. It's okay. You're fine. Just do it like you're a human PEZ dispenser. Nobody gives a shit. Scream fucksticks.org or.net or.gov. Stick them up your ass until they come out of your mouth.

If you unhinge your jaw like a Pez dispenser. We don't care. Dispense cherry-flavored flag dildos out of your fuck. Cherry-flavored golden flag dildos from your unhinged jaw, you asshole. Suck it and choke on it.

So, yeah. She was told, Karate Zarate was told about this in August of 92. She didn't leave until October. Wow. August, September, October. That's way too long.

Two months of fucking, you know, of sitting there going, I don't know if this is dangerous or not. That's waiting around four weeks for each kid. Yeah. That's too long. Too long. In August 92, he asked her if she could keep a secret. And she said, sure.

Now, I don't want anybody that i know has 107 dildos i don't want any of his secrets i don't want to know it i don't want to fucking hear about it i've already got 107 of them that's too many questions yeah that's it's just too much that's a load on my mind i'm a patriot right he says quote what i'm about to tell you i did for my family my business myself and for you. That's what he said. And then on the stand, she was crying. And she said that Roy told her he took her out for a dirt bike ride, had sex with her in the cemetery.

Then as she laid face down, handcuffs behind her back, he hit her with the weight bar. And he said he whispered in her ear. Jesus Christ. He whispered in her ear. I guess she had yelled at his son or something like that, and there was a table that he, the kid messed up a table, and I guess Kozak had told him, well, she was yelling at him, this table's worth more than you. Right. And I guess he, uh, as Kozak had told him while she was yelling at him,

this table's worth more than you. You know what I mean? Yeah. Stupid shit that a redneck would say, but I've heard people say shit like that before. I've heard it a million times. So he said, as he was,

he beat her with the weight bar and he told Maria that as he beat her with the weight bar, he stopped in the middle so he could whisper in her ear. This table's more worth more than you. You remember you told Andrew that and then continued to beat her. So he's trying to say they did this in retaliation for the meanness to his kids.

She sexually assaulted your other kid. That's fine. You know what? He was insulting. She insulted him a little bit. We'll put it that way. So yeah, he said that when he whispered it,

he told her, he said that her eyes opened very wide and she didn't move, you know, because she was being beaten over the head with a fucking thing. Then Zarate, then Zarate said that Stephen told her that he hit her with the metal bar twice more and press the bar to her throat to make sure she couldn't breathe. He then said that he told that he told her about the burial and he told her that Kelly helped. And yeah, then she said, quote, Steve, on two occasions, went out on his bike and proceeded to chop off Joanna's fingertips so she could not be identified. He said he also sprinkled pepper to cover the smell of decay and keep the animals away. Then after this all happened, he then took karate zarate to the grave so she could say goodbye what what the fuck is going on in this world wow i want to say goodbye

uh he said quote where do you think the body is like he took her out there some kind of scavenger hunt like can you see it i I buried it pretty good, right? See him like right out in the middle. Pretty good, right? Over here. It's not over there. Spin her around three times and open her eyes. Now you're dizzy.

Can you see it? Yup. And she said, I don't know where it is because, you know, I'm on the ground. I didn't do it. And he said that he laughed. She said he laughed and said, right where you're standing is the head. Ew. Eight inches of dirt.

Oh, boy. Oh, legit standing right on a body yeah uh then she said that oh right on her head oh my god then she said that roy told her steven said that he was going to take a piss on the top of her body so you know do that just to right there just to rub it in yeah so uh So then Maria says karate karate. She said that her and Joanna had physically fought each other in May of 1992. So there had been the animosity between the women had escalated to the point of physical altercations. Unreal. And she said, I guess, and she looked down and said, quote, you were the one who said I was stupid.

If I'm so stupid, why are you there and I'm here? And I spat on her grave. That's that's just a dildo deep. Yeah, that's eight inches. That's what she said. So that's that's what she said at the grave site, though. And spit on her and spit on her. So that's when she was taken to say goodbye.

Stupid now, because the defense was like, what did you do at the grave when he said he's gonna go to the bathroom on it and she said uh you said and that's what she said i talked shit to her dead body and then spit on her i spat on the grave so uh yeah apparently they used to be pals and uh but zarate said that kozak often ridiculed her in front of her children and others so you can't have that and she also you know molested a kid and fucking it's enough uh so apparently she said a few months after she took her to the grave that's when zarate said the reason why she left was she became afraid that she might end up like kozak because she knows about all this shit which is the first intelligent thing that anyone said or done in this entire fucking thing besides the guy who wrote the article about the prosecutor who i will 100 fine and fucking give them credit for because it's all over the article

yeah all over social media yeah so uh uh the uh jesus christ the defense was going to call cj kelly old charlie as a witness because he's got immunity right and he uh pulled up the old fifth amendment on him no and says nope and uh you've got immunity you well then the state refused to go through with the immunity because he didn't do uh you know his part of it and the court denied the defense motion to require the state to use immunity for his testimony so the defense said use force them to you can't force him if he doesn't want to if he doesn't want if he'd rather plead the fifth and take immunity, that's his constitutional rights to plead the fifth. There's no constitutional right that you have to take immunity, but you can invoke your right to remain silent.

So that's that. So he yeah, they said the state moved then to exclude Kelly statements to investigators at that point because it's a complicated thing. So the issue of his involvement in the crime was part of the trial. The defense, so they said, cool, the defense's theory right from the opening statement is that Kelly and Zarate killed Kozak to frame Stephen Roy for it. During cross-examination

of the David Kelly, the dog man, Detective David Kelly, who found the body with the dog, the defense counsel got testimony that the detective had interviewed C.J. Kelly for more than four hours. And then after that, the state confirmed that Kelly had been indicted

for his part in the murder because they just tried to put him out there like a specter. Like, you talked to this Kelly guy, right? He knew an awful lot about it, didn't he? Okay, that's all my questions. And leave that to the jury to go, who's this? And so the state had to go.

And he was indicted for his part in the murder as well. And his thing is factual. It's not just like we were hiding the real murderer. That's what they tried to make it sound like. So the prosecutor then asked if Kelly had admitted he helped to bury the body. Defense counsel objected to the question and moved for a mistrial at that point. After a hearing on the motion for the mistrial, the court denied it and gave an instruction to the jury

and they kept on fucking going. So, closing arguments of this whole thing, defense lawyer here, he reiterates the contention that, he just says it was Karate Zarate. Listen to her name. She's going to go in there. Sounds vicious.

She's going to go into that crane kick. Right. gonna it's gonna be accidents happen is what i'm getting at they physically fought you can't beat karate zarate no no she's like ronda rousey you know so that's what happens uh her and charles kelly killed kozak not uh not stephen roy he also said that uh maria zarate was jealous because Kozak had taken her place in the household and in the bed. Now this is her thing. She was jealous because Stephen had taken up, taken

all his dildos to another bedroom here. She needs, right? Yeah. That's all she needs. So this is what they said. This is not exactly, if it doesn't fit, you must acquit oj style which worked she he says if you don't believe maria zarate then you must acquit stephen roy and they went well she seems more believable than her how many times has she been arrested for

tying a boy to a tree and fucking him zero okay i'm gonna go with her then probably i'm gonna believe her can we go with a dildo comparison? If the dildo doesn't fit. It's either or. You either believe him or her. She seems less. She's a shit parent. She seems less scummy than him. She's a terrible person.

Fine. I would still believe that she stuck around because she was afraid of him. That's what I'm saying. So the DA here, the attorney general, he argued that Zarate weighs 90 pounds. Oh, for fuck's sake. He said 90 pounds zarate couldn't have lifted uh you want to know what kozak weighed 240 pounds wow she's a big girl that's a lot of woman she's a lot of 90 year old woman to picture her on the back of a dirt bike oh that's gonna be

a rough ride it's gonna sound like you have a fucking baseball card in the spokes from the tire rubbing on the seat that's certainly this is a lot of way it's certainly gonna smack the fender a bit so they're saying your theory is that my 90 this 90 pound witness lifted a 240 pound woman up and slung her around and i don't think controlled her very well yeah she couldn't move her on the ground i mean she couldn't she couldn't drag her no she wanted to uh so also she said zarate also had no motive for the murder based on any of this shit. She says, quote, he said, the prosecutor said, quote, Maria Zarate did not sit around and pine away about Joanna Kozak's love life with the defendant.

Yeah. They said she had no motive. She didn't care if he was fucking her. That was fine. He's got 107 dildos. He's obviously insatiable and some kind of fucking weirdo. There's no way a 90 pound woman is satisfying that sexual freak by the way anyone who owns 107 dildos you can't satisfy them

sexually no matter who you are a man woman whatever you you can't satisfy them if they have 107 woman beast and they have a motor that is just running at a higher rpm than you can even fathom we'll put it that way and it's attached to a dildo it's yeah it's it's it's not a fucking chain start like pull start like a fucking lawn it's got a choke on it yeah you have to put oil in it not like on the joints you have to put oil in it for the pistons and shit you gotta pour motor oil in it and then put some two-stroke gas in it. Oh, man, my favorite dildo needs a new fan belt. Jesus Christ.

Fuck me. The fucking fan. It's the serpentine. It went again. You run down. Can you run down to Checker and grab me a new spark plug? Yeah, I did. It's bad.

I just fouled the plug in this one oh my god jesus christ running a little too rich well it's a little rich you see it's smoky i am impressed that you got a vehicle reference right there that was pretty solid what are my father and brother most that's a good point but i'm very impressed that they that you hung on to that one just because i'm not into shit doesn't mean i don't hear things going on around me but you hung on to and we're able to reference lean versus rich and you hung on to what rich means that was the one you killed it know what i'm doing there you knocked it out of here i pitched you a good one and you took a huge dildo i took a cut out of it i took my best dildo pine tarred up the handle. I took a cut at it. I took my best dildo, pine tarred up the handle, and fucking took a cut at this.

Right in the sweet spot. Right in the trademark there. You got it smoky. So, man. Now, they also, witnesses testified that Kozak had been telling all of her friends that she was planning on returning to Virginia soon to turn herself in as well. And Roy objected because this is the crux of it. They said

that Roy objected to this because he believed that she would say where she was and then he would be busted for harboring a fugitive. And it would look bad, you know, because she's the one who molested his daughter and everything. So you know how that goes. You would kind of not want him to harbor that fugitive. So they said that's

why Roy killed her. Not because she did anything but because she was going to turn herself in and that would look bad for him. Oh my God. He's that kind of selfish fuck. Oh, he is a hard...

He's one of the worst people we've ever dealt with because I guarantee you there's more bodies on him. Has to be. Guarantee there's more bodies on him. The only reason he did it is to protect himself.

Yeah, there's allegedly. But he did it to protect himself. Didn't care about his kids. That's a great theory. He's a scumbag. Yeah. He's a total scumbag. Jury deliberates for 10 hours over the course of three different days. That's some short days they have.

Finally, they come back and they go, yeah, guilty. Fuck this guy. First degree murder. Three days of banker hours. Yeah. Three days of banker hours yeah uh three days of banker hours three days ten hours what is that what is that three hours a day you work that's enough we're tired we're spent it's a everyone who does it works down to the dmv so they got to work from

eight to four and they would bring them in from like four to six it's pretty tough on them let's go with they had an hour on the first day full eight on the second day and then on the third day let's hope one more hour one more hour let's get ready in the morning yeah let's go because i got lunch plans hell yeah moving this is uh judge kenneth mckew he's the sentencing judge here uh he says use is a good use yeah you sir may fuck off life without possibility of parole yahthtzee. Eat dicks, sir. The mother of Joanna Kozak, Katie Kozak, has the fucking best quote ever on this whole thing. Go on. Quote, I hope he lives to be 120.

I wish she would have said 107. Oh, I wish he lives to be 107. That's the best attitude. That's solid. When someone, because you hear this when people are god damn i don't have the death penalty to die he's in prison let him live to be 120 let him be an old man in prison who people steal all his shit and fuck him have that i assure you 93 in prison and having nothing and everything taken a bunch of 23 year old

dudes smacking him around and stealing his fucking money in his shoes and shit. Because that's way worse than burning in hell. Absolutely. She says no one human being has the right to do this to anybody. He's a vicious killer who deserves to be brought to justice. And that's what's happened. So good for that. She says, I'm very satisfied.

I'm sorry. Yeah, this is through a lawyer now. I said this gave a quote from the family. I'm very satisfied on behalf of the Kozak family. They waited a long time to find out any news about their daughter. Apparently, unfortunately for them, this was the first thing they had to hear was that she'd been the victim of a murder. Apparently, she hadn't talked to her parents in five years. Oh, no. uh apparently she hadn't uh talked to her parents in five years oh no she her parents hadn't heard

from her in five years and the first thing they hear from her is she's dead and she was wanted for child like all this horrible shit and the way she died it's fucking horrible what has happened to our angel it's yeah and the kozaks uh both of them came for the trial they live in pennsylvania they came for the trial and stayed for the whole thing. And she mattered to somebody, this girl, this person. She mattered to somebody. She had parents. She wasn't convicted yet. She may have been a scumbag or may not, but still don't deserve that kind of fucking dispatch.

That's the thing, man. So I hate to put, I'm going to say this as a generalization. It's a generalization. There's a lot of nuance to it obviously but when a woman is sexually molesting children yeah it's about 99.9 percent of the time bad things happen to her when she was a kid not that that's an excuse that's not an excuse because most of the time when men do it right it's the same reason so but i mean it's for women it's even more on that that's much they would not get that yeah Much larger scale. Yeah, so let's just leave it at that. Now, he appeals in 1993.

The appeal is concerning Charlie Kelly's statement to investigators. They wanted to call him as a witness and try to tear him apart on the stand and all that type of shit. But on cross-examination of Detective David Kelly, the defense-elicited testimony that he interviewed CJ, it's about the mistrial thing. The question was, two questions form the basis of this appeal, of this issue. One was, Mr. Kelly, CJ Kelly's been indicted for helping Stephen Roy bury the body of Joanna Kozak, hasn't he? And the guy answered, yes, yes, he has. And the next question, and he admitted to you that he helped bury the body answered yes yes he has and the next question and he admitted to you that he helped bury the body came to the cemetery and helped bury the body during that

interview this is when defense counsel objected and moved for a mistrial and uh i guess it was late in the day so the trial court said that they would consider it the next morning so this judge got to go home and sleep on it got it and then gave just ended up giving an instruction you know emotions are high let's calm down the next morning he's like we can get through this with an instruction and does that to the jury also the defense witness immunity they argue that the trial court's failure to compel the state to request uh to use immunity for cj kelly violated his rights due to the it's a whole thing that that's not true uh also the mistrial thing uh they said that uh the defendant argues that the trial court error in refusing to grant a mistrial after the

prosecution questioned its lead investigator regarding the inadmissible statements made by cj kelly which we just talked about assuming without deciding that the unanswered questions amounted to evidence basically what was left unsaid. It's like when Pete Rose bet on baseball. It's like it's not that he bet on his team. It's the days he didn't bet on his team. That was telling everyone to bet against the Reds that day. That's basically what they're saying here. They could read between the lines of what the evidence was.

You could take anything from that, though. Any evidence given as a trial, you can say, well, what wasn't said. Maybe that's anything. You can speculate. We're here for facts. That's the thing. wasn't said maybe that's i mean that's that's anything speculate that we're here for facts that's the thing uh so they tried to say that uh cj kelly stated that he helped to bury the body and his statement to the police corroborated uh zarate's testimonies what the the prosecutor says

during the defense's opening statement the jury was told four times that cj kelly along with zarate had accused uh roy of killing kozak. In particular, the defense stated, quote, certainly they, Kelly and Zarate, acted together when they disposed of her body and then concocted an alibi about where they were. Now, the state has presented a very tidy story for you. Steve killed her at the cemetery. Steve called CJ. CJ came out and buried her at the cemetery.

This story is from Maria Zarate and CJ Kelly. And also, the defense's cross-examination of Detective Kelly linked the two, and they tried to make it like that. So therefore, they found the appeals court finds no abuse of discretion in refusing to grant the mistrial. And they find that he was not unduly prejudiced when the state asked the improper question and he is affirmed. So he's still in there. 2004, he appeals again quickly here. He argues in part that he was denied his right to confront witnesses against him. This is kind of an offshoot of the CJ thing.

Well, if they couldn't make him testify, then I can say that I didn't get to confront the witness even though he really wasn't a witness because it was only in one improper question that the jury was instructed to strike right so this is all the same question he's just rewording and repackaging and semantics putting it out there uh he said he should have been able to question kelly because both his lawyer and prosecutor made references to him uh but the u.s district judge ruled that roy's lawyer did not disclose any part of kelly's statement to police quote no supreme court case has held that the mere references to an accomplice's statement or confession raised the same constitutional concerns as if you his statement was read and he didn't have to testify it's not a statement that wasn't they're saying he made

basically his testimony was let in and we weren't allowed to cross-examine it because it was through other people and they're saying no it was one question, asshole. That's fine. So the judge requested, rejected his, you know, the mistrial and fuck off. Keep that good. He's there forever. Yeah, that fucking case is the judge rejected Roy's request to rule in favor without a trial and close the case. Good. Eat dicks, mister. No more. You're fucked. Stay.

Who knows if a new evidence, I don't know what new evidence could pop up, but then he could have a habeas thing. Could they hit him with that? Could they just write back to him, stay, boy? Stay. Stay down. Stay down, dickhead. So, Joanna Kozak here is buried at the Christchurch Cemetery in

Maryland here. there got a better burial yeah she was 37 yeah a little bit better than a shallow grave and a revolutionary war thing there dildo deep dildo deep babe dildo deep in the dirt so that is fremont new hampshire unreal that is that has to be one of the craziest slimiest stories right by far one of the crazier slimier weirder stories we've ever fucking covered. We've heard of crazy ones. We've heard of vicious ones. This is a lot of it.

This is just like a slug in the grass while it's raining. Just slimy. Yeah, you know in Ghostbusters after the slime monster had been through and they touched things and had phlegm on it like in the library? That's what this is. That's what this is. This whole case. All the documents are just covered in this it's as if slimer just yeah just went across the whole courtroom just a goo this whole house had been slimed it's all goo so uh if you like a gooey case tell us about it get on purple icon ectoplasm ectoplasm get on the purple

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You guys did that. Thank you guys for doing that. It really means the world to us for buying those tickets. And we'll have a full slate of shows. We're going to try to, like we said, Pacific Northwest, Portland, and San Francisco. I know that's not Pacific Northwest, but Portland is. San Francisco, Denver, and San Francisco. I know that's not Pacific Northwest, but Portland is. San Francisco, Denver, Salt Lake City, all you guys. I think we might have missed Boston.

Shit we missed. We'll be back. Don't worry about it. We just had to kind of pick different cities to experiment and see how those went this year, and we did. Good to see how James does in Omaha. Not well is the answer. The show, great. Unbelievable show great unbelievable rest of this town i don't belong there so this doesn't work for me we'll be back yeah we had fun there honestly

so or maybe we'll just go to des moines which is close we gotta try that yeah we gotta try that doesn't matter we'll be somewhere uh yeah do all that and if you want to be one of our supporters one of our people god damn it you're part of the show you really are we say you're a producer such as a bullshit label you really are a producer you help make this thing go you influence our decisions and we say we don't want to fuck these people over because they give us money that's being a producer that's what producers are that's what they do so yeah so thank you for that we don't want to fuck you guys over and uh also if you are a five dollar or above member on patreon we do do have another bonus episode. We do them every other week, but we try to put out at least once a month, if not on both the episodes, like an actual story.

We have an interesting story coming up on here, too. So check that out Friday for the bonus on there. With all that said, good Lord, Jimmy, I think it is just time. I think, oh, if you want to be Patreon, patreon.com slash crime and sports. Yeah, I didn't do the plug. Patreon.com slash crime and sports or PayPal. Use our email address, crimeandsports gmail.com. You can find both of those

right from shut up and give me murder.com right there. Jimmy, I can't take it anymore. Tell me the people who give us money for all of these dildos. Hit me with it. Please. I have so many. And the amount of dildo money on all of these dildos. Hit me with it. Please. I have so many. The amount of dildo money on top of this list. Dildo money.

These are the people who gave us dildo money. Thank you. Executive producer dildo money are Cameron Cushwara, Milagros Gonzalez, Retta Ekstrom, Tanya Volanek, Elizabeth Jeich, I think. Okay. Or Jake. Hey. Or Jake. We love it.

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up and he'll throw it in there. I'll throw your name in again. It's not a big deal. Just let me know. Ryan Benner's girlfriend, Allison. Ryan donated twice this week and then didn't give Allison's last name. So Allison Benner's girlfriend. I'm sorry, Allison. Your boyfriend's

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She got her license plate in the mail, the Shut Up and Give Me a Margin. Yes. Which is pretty bitchy. Fuck yeah. Looks kick-ass on the back of a Reagan? I don't know why I said it. I was like, cool. She got her license plate in the mail, the Shut Up and Give Me a Mark. Yes. Which is pretty bitchy. Fuck yeah. Looks kick-ass on the back of a chair. Well, I haven't seen that.

It's so rad. I need to see the picture. Why haven't I seen it? I'll retweet it and then tag you. Yeah, I must have missed it somehow. Yeah, you may have just missed it. Molly with no last name. Bryce Law.

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I recognize you guys. And then when I see you at shows and you tell me who you are, I tend to remember. Kim and Drake, I'll never forget you guys. Amanda Davis. R.K. with no last name. Peyton Meadows. Thomas Spade. The letter J, I'll never forget you guys. Amanda Davis, RK with no last name. Peyton Meadows, Thomas Spade, the letter J, I guess. Brought to you by the letter J. Very nice.

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Was it at the private sports? I think so. Dude, these, they're all amazing. Carol was so great to meet you. I remember her, but the venues are all meshed together in my brain. Yeah, yeah. Regina Frankfurt. Home Stretch is the last candidate.

Just a lot of fucking people. Thank you, guys. William Wheat. Jasmine Baker. Robin Willis. No, it's not. It's Robert Willis, I think. Thank you, Robert.

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Probably not, but I hope so. With his fucking George Bush eyes. Yes, sir. Go win those games. Not for anybody. Not for you. Betsy Cullerton. I think he's out of the league now.

I think he quit. I think it's done. Washington broke him. Huge contract. Broke him. He went, I'm going to go home and collect my $30 million. I can get paid and not do this. cannot lose on sunday keegan herrera cheyenne right tammy abbott feel uh ashley arnold cindy uh candy fagan matt facendi uh mary petrowski kara no yeah kara maddy

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I just hope you know that. You're changing things. You really do. You change our lives. And thank you guys so much for everything you do. Quickly, I want to say one thing. I'm going to reiterate this on crime and sports because it's more of a crime and sports thing. But I've gotten like a couple, not a lot, but Lenny Dykstra is always talking to us now and hanging out with us.

He's a guy that we did, if you don't know, on Crime and Sports. He's one of our subjects that we did two shows on, actually, and he was a professional baseball player. We both loved him growing up. A very good player, and he had some problems, obviously, because we covered him on Crime and Sports twice. So you've got to have some problems. That's a lot of problems.

But recently he's taken to the show and listens to it, and he'll take on the chin anything he did, and he's like, ah, fuck it, I did it.'m stupid what do you want and he'll just he keeps going on mistakes and so we talk to him now and he talks to us and we're fucking nice to him because he's been nice to us and anybody who has the self-awareness to go you know what they made fun of me for a bunch of times but i did some dumb shit hey what are you gonna do who cares that's an all right dude to us right it just is and so uh you know unless the people are like uh child molesters or rapists or murderers or fucking violent wife beaters and shit like that other than that you

can you can be redeemed a lot easily and if you just fucked up sometimes neither of us are perfect people no i you don't know how many of my friends have done so many crimes have been in jail and all this type of shit i did tons of stuff when I was a kid. We've done tons of stupid shit. I've done way more things to be thrown in jail. Yeah, we're just making jokes. So that's the thing.

So if you ask me, why are you going to be nice to Lenny? Because he's not a fucking bad guy to me. That's why. He didn't fucking, he didn't bilk me for money back when he did that investor thing. And I feel like everything

he tried to do, I feel like he's one of these guys that tried to do good and things would fall apart and he didn't know how to fix it so he would just fucking you know lie more so that happens and there's a lot of people that do that doesn't make them terrible people it should be ostracized from society a prosecutor said that

no is kind of hot I don't think Lenny Dykstra has ever said that word those words Lenny Dykstra be like dude what the fuck if you heard that comment so yeah he's better than that prosecutor so with that said also the point is without you guys yeah lenny wouldn't know wouldn't know who the fuck we are you guys for that making these shows what they are made put us on the the the radar of a man who's who's a hero to us as children pretty fucking rad so jimmy what if they wanted to get a hold of you and tell you they needed to give you

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