Small Town Murder - #167 - You'll Have To Chop Off More than That... in Antelope, California

Episode Date: April 16, 2020

This week, in Antelope, California, when a young woman is found, dead, on the side of the road, with some very unusual clues, police wonder if it could have been an ex-boyfriend, or even a budding serial killer, but they could never have suspected what actually happened. When facts come together, there is only one person who could possibly be the killer. Will they go down for the crime? Along the way, we find out 5 hours of explosions isn't as cool as it sounds, that smoking meth & watching porn is a weird way to hang out with friends, and that you should never admit to preparing your murder weapon, months in advance!! Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman New episodes every Thursday! Donate at: patreon.com/crimeinsports or go to paypal.com & use our email: [e-mail] Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder & Crime In Sports! Follow us on... twitter.com/@murdersmall facebook.com/smalltownpod instagram.com/smalltownmurder Also, check out James & Jimmie's other show, Crime In Sports! On iTunes, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts# See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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serial killer, but they never even suspect what actually happened. back to Small Town Murder. Yay! Yay, indeed, Jimmy. Yay, indeed. My name is James Petrigallo. I'm here with my co-host. I am Jimmy Wissman. Thank you, folks, so much for joining us again and again. There you are. We're so excited for this week.

We have, last week, I hope you listened to, because it was bonkers. So fun. If you haven't, go back and listen to someone trying to start their own religion, and that'll just tell you the level of panhandlery we're dealing with here. But this week, no different, crazy stuff, very weird case this week. We'll check it out. It's a this week. We'll check it out. It's a rare case. We'll put it that way, as you'll see.

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Terrible stories of tragic things that happen to people. And there will be jokes. Yes, there will, goddammit. But here's what we do. We make jokes about all sorts of stuff that goes on around a crime. There's always craziness that leads up to this kind of thing. That's what we discuss. We try not to make fun of the victim or the victim's family.

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Goodbye. Have a good one. See you later. Go listen to Dateline or something and enjoy it. Thanks for trying us. Sorry it didn't work out. But for the rest of you who are sitting here waiting for a crazy story, I think it's time to give it to them, Jimmy.

That one? I think it's time to sit back and shout, shut up and give me murder. Let's do this, Jimmy. Great. Let's go on a trip. All right. All right. We're in Utah last week.

We need to get the hell out of Utah. Just post-paste now. Utah is over. We're going to California. It's close. It's close. We're not going to the California you're thinking of. If you say California, people are like, oh, Palm Tree.

Oh, the beach. No, no, no, no. We're going inland. Inland. Oh, central California. North central, baby. Oh, yeah. Militia country.

Not really. Not here. If you go out further. But here, this is Antelope. It's north central California. It's about 20 minutes outside. 20 minutes to the east of Sacramento. Okay.

So it's out there. Oh, way up there. Yeah, it's up there, east of San Francisco. North of Red. Okay. So it's out there. Oh, way up there. Yeah, it's up there, you know, east of San Francisco. North of Redwoods and shit. Absolutely. Oh, it's way up there, yeah. This is flatlands and ugly. Oh, it's ugly.

This is heading to Reno is what you're doing here. This is earning being in California. Sheriff's Department. Right. This is like living in Riverside, basically, except not that close to LA. North Riverside. Yeah. It's two hours and 15 minutes to Reno if you want to head over there, and about two

hours to Burlingame, California. Been there. Which was our last episode in California, way back in episode 111. Wow. And that's right outside San Francisco, so it gives you an idea where that is. It's right on the edge of Sacramento and Placer Counties is where it is, and that's where our story takes place, too. It's about seven square miles.

The motto here could be either way here. One is, mmm, smell that antelope. That smells good. Or you can just say, mmm, smell that Sacramento. Yeah. Wafting over. No, Sacramento doesn't smell. No.

But it sounds like it smells. Right. You have sack in your name, which makes me think of nutsack. And then the end of your name is amento, which sounds like pimento. So the name of your town is Nut Sack Pimento, California. That's not my fault. Or Nut Sack Mints. Mentos.

That's true. It makes your nuts fresh up there. Hey, my nuts are fresh. My whole life, though, is Nut Sack Pimento, California. That's all I could think of when I thought. So that's what you guys have there. By the way, we'll be in Sacramento. We will. It doesn't matter. It's sold out out so we don't care if we offend you yeah it's

already sold out eat dick sacramento suck it suck it now let's uh quick history here of uh won't get into too deep into the history because we have some reviews some crazy shit like that keep it to the crazy stuff here uh this is late 1800 basically, Antelope was the only settlement kind of in this center area here that was worth a shit outside of Sacramento and around there. In 1880, the population of the whole town was only about 400 people. That's low. It's pretty low here. It's a lot of railroad workers there. They would stay there temporarily, and then they ended up staying permanently.

So it kind of slowly built as a town uh not too much business happening just kind of a little sleepy town where people worked on the railroad and shit like that wasn't quite so sleepy on april 28th 1973 at this point antelope had a post office a general store about a half dozen homes they had a school a bunch of shit like that about eight o'clock in the morning a rail car loaded with aircraft bombs hell yeah fuck yes what did they do they exploded one bomb exploded setting off a chain reaction of the entire munition supply of the northwestern United States, practically. I don't know what it was. But explosions just, I mean, can you imagine the explosions? That's awesome.

I wish I'd have been able to see it. Aircraft bombs going off on train cars. It's awesome, except for the people who got killed in the explosions. Oh, did people die? Oh, absolutely. Explosions went out all through a fucking train yard. I feel like a jerk. People were blown to smithereens.

They were blown to nothing. It was like, was bob here today yeah shit well i can't find him that explains it okay he was here damn it vaporized that moment from tropic thunder where the guy lets off all the bombs and he's like pelvic yeah it sounds fun yeah this is no this isn't realize that shouldn't have unwitting train workers just being vaporized in a moment here the whole train went the whole the train yard oh chain reactions of explosion storage area it was yeah well it's yeah it was the southern uh southern pacific's roseville yard because roseville is the town right next door it's where a lot of our story takes place it destroyed the general store damaged all the homes uh basically leveled antelope it not it's i mean the the the charge of this because the you know the shock of

this goes yeah it's not just if you're next to it you're the energy is gonna knock your foundation around that's the thing they said the chain reaction of series of blasts started at 7 52 a.m shortly after an employee in the yard tower spotted smoke in one of the car in one car of the 103 unit train all loaded with bombs. They notified the fire department and the firemen started to go there before and they luckily didn't get there

before the first explosion happened. What, with water? You're going to spray water on a fucking bomb? Yeah, apparently so. That ought to do it. This train had 21 Department of Defense freight cars carrying 330 unfused Mark 81 bombs weighing 250 pounds a piece. These are bombs that you drop on Vietnam.

Right. Instead. You carpet bomb villages. Yeah. Instead. You carpet bomb villages. Yeah. Instead, you just put them all in a train. You can deforest a jungle or blow up a small town. It was a five-hour series of explosions. Wow.

Five hours worth of explosions because they couldn't do anything to stop it. They just had to, everyone get back and fucking wait for it to stop. It's like in a movie when someone has a car full of fireworks and someone flicks a cigarette button, the wind takes it, and it goes in, and they all look at each other, and they just fucking run away. It's, what are you going to do? There's nothing you can do at that point. Nothing you can do but wait.

What was that, Dutch, I think? Yeah. You're just like, well, I guess we wait for it all to go out. Watch it happen. Watch it happen. So, yeah, all of this, they said it sounded like giant firecrackers at first and then not so much here. The blasts were heard as far as 40 miles away and windows were blown out of buildings five miles from the scene. I believe it.

That is crazy. 52 people were taken to the hospital for treatment and they said it looked like a bombing raid had happened, basically. It was destroyed. They closed the interstate that went by because we got our messed up shit there. Basically, Antelope was gone, though. It affected Roseville a lot, which was next door. So now what Antelope is now kind of began, they say, as like a planned community in the 1980s. Well, yeah.

It's a fresh restart. That's what I mean. We'll bulldoze what we had there. Whoops. Pick up the sticks and let's just lay newfound work. Destroyed the school, too. Luckily, it was on a Saturday, and so the kids weren't there, but it damaged the school and it would have fucking really hurt a bunch of kids, so that was good.

I can't imagine. So they said they started building it mainly single-family homes and apartments and things like that. So it's a it's a planned community this antelope the uh the closure of mcclellan air force base uh between 93 and 2001 slowed a lot of this area down because that's they they depended on a lot of that uh but uh never mind all that let's get to reviews yeah let's hear how bad it is now well let's see here i have a few reviews these are

i'm going to give you a bunch of two stars we'll do that i got a one star in there too but we'll do a few of them here because i really like reviews here's a two star quote it's not terrible but there needs to be more regulations on this issue i don't know what issue um i've on the issue of it not being on this issue of it being terrible The terribleness of our town needs to be debated. I've been a witness to illegal drugs on multiple occasions. Oh, my. There's been vandalism at schools. Now, that I've never heard of.

Never heard of kids vandalizing things, ever. If only there was a place where we could put them. Shit. Oh, they're all at school. That's probably why. Yeah, maybe that's the reason. and robberies are quite common yeah the police drive around every once in a while and there there is security in most parking lots but i've witnessed store and car robberies before it's sad to see this who is this person who is doing all this

crime in front of you just wandering around witnessing shit how often do you see crime right happen like you work for the electric company driving around yeah not that often you know you seeing robberies and car robs store you seeing stick-ups and shit live in compton that's this is antelope cal what is happening it's going on i guess people pull off the interstate maybe rob them and get back on but on torino with you but uh unbelievable it's very strange here so uh yeah this is sad to see it's sad to see this happen in a place where people are meant to be trusted and it needs to be fixed with more action right now this person is pissed they've seen too much to me uh here's one go get deputized sir because it's all happening in front of you i believe that person possibly

might be a beyond the police's age requirement from what it sounds like just a thought not sure though i could be wrong and could be wrong fitness requirements slightly beyond yeah so two stars here mainly just fast food around antelope very little restaurants that's it okay um let's see uh two stars too small of a community to the less common to spelling in this particular instance uh for many jobs but there is plenty nearby so why do you give it two stars that's fine here's one two stars i've been unemployed for three years jesus christ you are crushing it wow that's not good maybe at that point consider moving after i can't find it three years you've you've talked to everyone in a small

town after three years it's over you surviving yeah i don't know i've talked to everyone in a small town after three years. It's over. How are you surviving? Yeah, I don't know. I feel bad for this person if they're trying hard. I've tried to apply for different jobs outside of my scope of work and have not been able to find a job. My usual type of work is in children's mental health. Not enough jobs in that real work and training for low-cum individuals are low. Okay. Tell me what I want to know what they've applied for outside of their usual scope yeah it sounds like he's applying for a job on the website where

you give reviews for a town which doesn't really it's not the place to go really applied here a lot i'm looking for a guy with some some get up and go look at him he's putting his job self out there everywhere uh here is two stars uh or no that's yeah another two star here no you know what that's it well that's all for the reviews okay two stars that's it so a bunch of two stars people in this town population 47,728 for right this minute uh it is up 224 percent since 1990 they're doing great yeah in 1990 it had 14,000 people so it was a small little town 20 years old though yeah and it's just expanding into suburbia, basically, because that's how it was planned. So they just kept fanning out the houses.

The stats, a lot of them are average. Average marriage, a lot of kids. The average age is a few years younger. Race of this town is different than usual. 57.6% white, which is actually close to average. It's 61.5% in the country. 7.6% black which is actually close to average at 61 and a half in the country 7.6 percent black 10.8 percent asian holy shit it's like exactly twice the amount of asian people it's california northern california there's a lot of asian people uh and then we have a few 2.5

percent pacific islander which we don't see that a lot it's again california and then 15 and about 16 percent hispanic so it's a mix of people here so decent you know there's a at least some diversity We don't see that a lot. It's, again, California. And then 15 and about 16% Hispanic. So it's a mix of people here. So decent. There's at least some diversity in terms of that. About 38% of the people here are religious. Not too crazy as far as that goes. And it's spread all around through everything.

A little Catholic is the most because I guess probably, I don't know. No idea why. I had something and I'm like, that not why i have no idea uh 0.3 percent judaism so sorry sorry about that sorry you don't get the song today close that's it's 0.9 islam i'll find some kind of song to sing for that but we don't didn't get there sound like an asshole i don't know i don't know what kind of song i'm gonna sing about that they do a lot of their songs aren't real festive is the problem. They don't have a lot of words. Well, even if they are festive, they don't sound festive.

To the untrained, and I get it that they might be, but to the untrained American ear, a lot of these songs don't sound real festive. No. They sound like we were in an Uber. Where the hell was it? Where, wherever the Louisville Indy, one of these Indy,

Indianapolis. Yeah. I remember you were telling me when you got off in an Uber and the man basically played for the entire trip for 20 minutes to the hotel, loud Arabic chanting. It was really weird. And I, like I said,

I'm not judging everybody, but it was like, it sounded like even for this, this is weird music for your culture, even. Not just for ours. Like, this is strange. You know? The only...

It's just odd. It was like the ween of Arabic music. You're like, this is different, right? The only Arabic or Middle Eastern music I've ever heard is just soundtracks to ISIS videos. Yeah. And those are horrifying. That's it. Yeah.

That's what I link it to every time i hear like oh this is sounded like good music something like that it sounded like that but then a woman would scream every once in a while and like chant some things in a language i didn't understand and it had like an echo to it it sounded dude it sounded fucking creepy it was like a soundtrack and like i said ignorance of course but still sounded creepy uh let's see sacramento county over here uh about 58 of the people in the last election voted democrat about four 34 republican over eight percent independent so that's a lot unemployment rates around four percent it's about average as the rest of the country household income's a little bit high though the uh usual household income for the country is about 57 and a half thousand here it is uh almost 71 000 so a little bit high and the cost of living

is a little bit high too in antelope cost of living is 123 overall out of 100 so you know housing is the high one though the median home cost here 352 300 bucks that's that's steep it's a it's a it's a little steep, yeah, for here. You can find a bargain here and there, but they're not a real nice place. And speaking of bargains, I think I might have found a bargain. Outstanding. And if you want to go to anywhere in the world, but you need to be in Antelope, California, we have for you the Antelope, California Real Estate Report.

Real Estate Report. All right. Your average two-bedroom rental here is about $1,330 a month, which is pretty close. That's a lot, isn't it? It's a lot, but it's close to the national average. It's like $1,250 for the national average, so not bad. Found a three-bedroom, two-bath. It's in Citrus Heights, which is kind of in between here and Roseville. 1,448 square feet. It's a little

rough. It needs some work here, but $159,000. So for a California place, if you're going to put some work in it, you can make it work. I found a three bedroom, three bath, 1,569 square foot house. A little bigger. A little bigger, but pretty much the same type of thing, but nicer,

updated and everything. That's $309,900. That's a lot. It's an extra $150,000 for having it hooked up. Then I found a five bedroom, four bath if you want to stretch out. Still not a, you know,

T-bowl for all the b-holes, but you're getting close. 4,856 square feet, so you can find somewhere else. That's big, yeah. Find somewhere else to piss in there. It's got a crazy awesome pool. One of those negative edge awesome.

Oh, rad. It's dope. $1,250,000. Wow. Where the fuck is that? It better have a nice pool. How far away is that? Is that in the town of Antelope?

It's in Antelope, yeah. Wow. It's on the edge of Antelope. A million dollars. More. $1.25 million to live there. Wow. You could live somewhere good. So things to do in this town. More. 1.25 million to live there. Wow. You could live somewhere good.

Yeah. So things to do in this town. Oh, boy. Well, the only thing to do that I found that's worth doing is the Berry Fest Strawberry Festival. B-E-R-R-Y? B-E-R-R-Y Fest. It's not like Berry White Festival of Strawberries? No, it's not the Berry White Strawberry Festival.

That would be awesome. Yeah. I'm in. I just want fat guys with deep voices eating strawberries. This is a good strawberry right here. I'm very white. Baby, this is a good strawberry. It's all Barry White impersonators.

You know where I'd like to put this strawberry? Right here in my mouth. Right here in my mouth. That's right, baby. Ah, you dirty thinking son of a bitch. So the Strawberry Festival here, there's different stages that have different bands and acts of course and uh the names of the stages are also funny so let's get into all of this uh i wanted to leave time for this at the end here and give it give it its space really

let those strawberries form a potpourri yeah on the strawberry beer stage oh which is that's the i think this is the main stage it's in the biggest letters on the website. And the acts here are obviously a little cut above the rest. First, you have an act singing classic oldies called Martin and Monroe. Okay. And if we, you can see a picture here. Is it just two dudes? It's a guy.

No, it's a guy. It's a guy and his girl. It doesn't look like Dean Martin, but he's wearing a tuxedo and he's holding a glass of brown liquid. So I'm dean martin and a blonde woman clearly trying very hard to look like marilyn monroe yeah but it's not it's not coming off so that's martin and monroe that's martin and monroe classic oldies at 10 30 in the morning okay he's gonna go out there with his tuxedo and his pretend scotch at 10 30 in the morning okay try to pass off that he's really drinking and then the out of sight all right out of sight yeah they sing 60s and 70s stuff and they're all like they

look like they're like 22 years old but they sing 60s and 70s songs uh they come on at 1 30 yeah you know get a little time after you gotta give uh monroe a give martin and monroe a minute to let the stage cool off after them. It's going to be hot, Jimmy. Let the mic simmer down. Let it cool down. The stage. Ow.

Hot stage. Hot mic. Hold on. I'm back off. Let's let the people get a drink and use the bathroom. Jesus. Next is the Illusions Band. Okay.

And their logo has like the New Mexico flag thing on it. In the middle. It's got that on it and it looks like it's supposed to be like trippy like it's like it's in like 60s writing band like bubble writing like it would be in like bright colors on the side of a van yeah james are they like going uh early music 60 are they doing like every every 10 years they bring a new tribute to that to that genre they play uh tehano country country, oldies, and more. All right.

Everything. They throw down. Of the 70s? Of everything. Oh, okay. Oldies and more, Jimmy. There's more. Yeah, and more.

Jesus Christ. Next, For a Fortunate Few. These are what looks to be 65-year-old men men, at least all hanging out, which is fine. They play rockabilly, Western swing and Americana. I bet I'd like them. You probably like them. Then there's this asshole next. Peter Petty.

Oh, he's in a fucking red suit. Yeah. I want to show him to you, Jimmy, with his kicking his leg up in the air, holding the mic. He looks like an asshole. It's all about Peter. Rockabilly and swing dance music, Sunday at 1.30 p.m., everybody.

Mark your fucking calendars. And he's on the beer stage? He's on the strawberry beer stage, the main stage. He looks like such a dick. And then finally, closing it out Sunday at 4.15 on this is going to be...

They give that sumbitch three hours to get his set in? I feel like they have to let the stage cool down, Jimmy. I feel like if you get like an hour and a half, and then they let it set for an hour and a half. The people are going to be... Oh, Jesus. You can't... They're going to overheat. They're probably going to get a whole new crowd in there.

That's what it is. They're flipping the room, Jimmy. These people are hot draws. Then we have the Kenny Fry Band. Okay. It's just an older looking guy in a cowboy hat yeah um and it's a high energy country high high energy country which i that's not what country's for i don't know what that is it's like a mountain dew commercial i guess country

that's what he's singing he's the juicy fruit guy perfect excellent next up on the boysenberry stage oh jesus is the strawberry pageant saturday at noon little miss strawberry pageant and it's children dressed up like strawberries they have like red skirts and green tops every year and that's just what it is oh no really sad uh next is storytelling on the blueberry stage they only put one act on the boysenberry apparently so i don't know it's probably it's probably just like an apple box that they stand on and that's the stage the blueberry stage or a boysenberry box i should say uh the is uh storytelling eight different

stories each day i don't know what they're about yeah i don't know what the fuck's going on there's no time for it you stop by hope a story's going on i don't know what to tell you if it's not like uh uh jim jeffrey's telling an amazing story i don't want to watch i don't want to listen this is a picture of the crowd so i don't think so so. Oh, they look horrified. It might be Jim Jefferies. No, that eight-year-old girl looks happy, though. She'd be hearing some shit she wouldn't have heard before. Did he say cunt? I think he said...

Wow, I don't know that word. Mom, what's that mean? Then there's the City of Trees on the Blackberry stage. And that is a brass band concert there. So they're all brass band there. And then on the Cran cranberry stage closing it all out yeah up on the cranberry stage we have cookie cooking demonstrations uh incredible strawberry creations made each day all strawberries jelly shortcake ta-da hey fuck else do you make

strawberries here's a smoothie i don't know know yeah it's a strawberry it's delicious what do you need to know about just eat it you fucking idiot and now we will dip it in chocolate you can puree it or you can dip it or you can just eat it or put it on things to make them taste better that's a strawberry what the hell kind of preparation do you do with it i don't know and then and then finally close it all out on the cranberry stage with a strawberry shortcake eating contest there you go now we're talking test out your eating skills 4 p.m both days so technically you could be the champion of the weekend if you win both days now shortcake is supposed to be made with shortcake right i think it's yeah the cake that shit's

gross though i like it's gotta be with pound cake oh with pound cake you're talking something special you know what i mean yeah angel foods what i usually have a little sponge that's great like shortcake is disgusting i want pound cake with everything so i just love it's my favorite thing in the world is pound cake so i'll eat the shit sarah lee one oh i'll eat the hell out of that i'll eat the whole fucking life i will i do i have one in the freezer right now i'veaw that bitch out. Well, you got to cut a slice and let it thaw on its own. This is like my fourth pound cake of the quarantine. I'm really deep in pound cakes right now. I'm heavy on it.

Every time Sarah will go to the store to restock, she's like, I got another pound cake for you. Fuck, I got to eat the whole thing now. Pound cakes and drumsticks. I love them. Oh, my God. Boy, oh, boy. I think shit for metabolism where I wouldn't be able

to get up the stairs from the studio. Let's see here. Crime rate in this town. What we're interested in. Property crime is just about average with the rest of the country.

So that person who's seen all those robberies and things, apparently, she's seen them all, I guess, or he. I don't know. Violent crime,

murder, rape, robbery, and, of course, assault. The Mount Rushmore of crime is actually less than average. Really? A little bit under average. Maybe 20% under average. That said, let's get into this murder. Great.

Let's talk about this here. We have, like I said, this is a weird one, man. It's a weird case that we don't normally encounter. And you'll see why once we get into it. It's usually, there's certain, most murders, like people are very scared of serial killers. And they're like petrified of serial killers or stranger murders.

Like I study tons of murders. Like I look at 30 murders for every case I pick. So like I've seen hundreds and hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of murders. Most of the time when strangers kill strangers, it happens, but most of the time it's in a robbery it's a robbery situation or something like that but very rarely is it uh it's really a good story it's rarely the robbery is this person came up and they killed this person they left so that's not really a good story a lot of times it's uh you know two guys have a beef or a guy kills his wife or the wife has kills her husband that's that's the

normal if people have to know each other and shit like that right but this particular combination doesn't happen often we'll get into it here uh this happens in the uh on on march 8th uh 2008 yeah um this is in the north antelope area this is right on the border next to roseville which is a town with about 140 000 people next to it i mean it's like right in the kind of the kind of the nebulous uh zone of nobody knows where what it is or what the what county it is because that's where the county line is too so we'll kind of have both jurisdictions show up and go is it yours or mine i don't know shit yes let's flip a coin rochambeau motherfucker is there evidence no what's yours you take it then

how many leads you know what you're good you go ahead and take that because i don't see nothing around this there's no head and fingertips are missing and shit you go ahead and take it i don't know nothing so how much jizz is on the body it's all yours a lot that's gross it's yours disgusting so this is around 8 a.m. This is an employee of the Department of Public Works going around picking up garbage in rural areas. Oh, no. He's driving around. Poor bastard.

Yeah, this guy's just driving around. Oh, fuck. He sees some garbage on the side of Walarga Road here, and he thinks he sees a mannequin or something like that like it looks like somebody just dumped a bunch of shit and leaves and garbage and just crap basic debris yeah so he pulls over that's his job is to pick that shit up so he pulls over to pick it up and under the debris discovers something he doesn't want to discover which is a body of a female dead body okay basically uh not a mannequin a real person a real person absolutely a real person fully clothed um so that's there's some sort of clue here uh

the they say that the circumstances are most certainly suspicious on it doesn't look like somebody was taking a jog and they dropped dead on the side of the road and some garbage fell on them that doesn't seem likely probably just the garbage being on top of them right away is a little suspicious not natural causes probably hold on oh my chest pig where's the garbage yeah i want to die under garbage pile me high i am really cold my my it feels like my circulation slowing down i I need newspapers. Yeah. And boxes.

Where's an Amazon box? Those are warm. Homeless people must have an easier time finding boxes now. Today? Yeah. Because there's just so many more boxes out there. So many. We're overrun with boxes.

My recycle bin is just boxes from the bottom to the top. Once a month, I have to go out in the garage with a razor blade for like an hour and a half and just cut up boxes to put in the it's ridiculous so uh the first when they find uh the police find this body they don't because obviously this worker calls the police they come out and they are they don't say anything at first they won't even reveal what gender it is at first uh the body they won't say a word about it nothing about it nothing even exact they won't even reveal what gender it is at first uh the body they won't say a word about it nothing about it nothing even exact they won't they won't verify exactly where the crime scene is they're being very tight with it at all uh because at first they believe and they i guess i don't know if you want to say hope because uh there's been a woman missing for quite some time so they think this might be the woman that that's been missing for months and so they're they're you know hoping and not hoping that it's her i don't know what you

you hope for closure resolution but you don't know you hope that the person's not dead so that person's still out there somewhere exactly but then you still got the question of who the fuck is this exactly they think that this a lot of people there's a lot of rumors going around when they first hear about this that uh it's the body of a woman named christy wilson that's been missing for months but then they they find out it's not because this woman the woman christy wilson was a little bit older and this woman is late teens early 20s uh tops yeah so they're like it's definitely in may of 1980 near anaheim california dorothy jane scott noticed her friend had an inflamed red wound on his arm and seemed unwell. She insisted on driving him to the local hospital to get treatment.

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it's it's a fresh one there's no insects there's no nothing i mean it's it's super fresh it helps it's early march too for that but also there'd be something hasn't been picked apart by wildlife or anything and it's in a rural you know just a field basically so it's you know interesting here so they said yeah maybe it would be a day and a half tops the body could have been out there they said not a lot um and also they feel that this body appears to have been this person appears to have been killed uh where the body was found or very close to where the body was found so they have some clues to go on and more clues come up here. But there's no, like I said, no insect activity. They also find on it that there is ammonia all over the body.

This person has ammonia all over. Clothes are soaked in ammonia. Ammonia all over the skin. Face covered in ammonia. Wow. Ammonia. So they're like, that's odd, obviously. They find an ammonia bottle nearby. So they're like,'s odd obviously they're uh the most they find an ammonia bottle

nearby okay so they're like okay that tests positive for blood so they're like okay these are connected something it's coming together uh at the scene they also find white trash stick white trash stick white trash stick plast bags jimmy that's what they find those are very useful in a murder oh fuck my stupid tongue so jesus christ god damn it and i say that which sounds even worse you know what i give up okay that is the dirtiest sentence you've ever said i need to get out of the house jimmy you don't understand that is terrible dirty talk you're the only you're the only person I see outside of Sarah, which I love Sarah, but you're the only outside person. You come over, we're like, oh, Jimmy's here.

Skip over there. Jimmy's here. Fuck my stupid tongue. With a white plastic trash bag, you can fuck it. Make sure you use that. Trash bag. A trash bag. Trash bag.

Use that to cover it, please. Help me out a little bit.. Trash bag. Trash bag. Trash bag. Use that to cover it, please. Help me out a little bit. White trash bag. So the white plastic trash bag contains blood. There's a lot of blood in there. There are gloves in there as well. Both gloves. So, you know, not even an OJ situation.

Gloves saturated with blood. So there's some blood here. Generally, if you do that with gloves, don't you want to not have those there, too? Yeah. That seems counterproductive. You would imagine so. You just trapped all that shit that's on your hands inside that bag. In a plastic bag.

Just give them a nice sample. There you go. And it's nearby. It's not like it's five miles away spotted by a different garbage person. They're like, what's that over there? that a trash stick plast bag shit so uh they also find in the bag the most telling thing of all i don't know if it's the most but it's a it's a night it's a it's like a it's a like for wall papering it's a it's a four inch blade yep and a four-inch blade like a wallpaper thing. Skip trial.

Kind of, but it's a smaller thing and sharp as shit. It's for kind of cutting off, I guess, at the bottom if you want to zip it off like one of those. And it has a – there's a plastic handle and there's a triangle-shaped area where the handle was broken off. And it's like in a spike by the handle, too. So it's a formidable – It's dangerous and it's covered in blood so obviously it it's effective it's a part of this it's a part of this and it was an effective part of this clearly so uh yeah they uh the forensic pathologist determines that this young woman we'll get into who she is in a moment here uh died in the early morning hours of March 8th.

So they think they found her within six, seven hours, probably, after they get the pathologist in there. She sustained, this will be the worst part of the episode here, she sustained various sharp force injuries to the head and face. Those are stab wounds. Those are stab wounds. But the cause of death was multiple sharp force wounds to the neck. Oh, fuck. Multiple. The neck wounds were from the left to the right so there was neck cuts and

slashes coming from the left of side to the right side uh you know like or some right-handed somebody was cutting your throat yeah either way yeah from her left to her right so they're from the back or if it's a left-handed person from the front yeah however you want to look at it here uh this and they were consistent with having come from a single edged razor type of tool which is consistent with the one they found in the bag uh there's also it gets worse there's also post-mortem wounds uh to where her all of the all of her fingertips are shaved off okay uh not the bone but all of the skin and flesh of her fingertips. Oh, fuck, man.

Like, if you were going to fingerprint yourself, you'd slice that part off completely. Why? All of her fingers are like that. They are completely shaved off. That's fucked up, man. It's fucking disgusting. Yeah, it's not cool at all here. That takes some time.

Yeah. So, also, they find that there's limited defense defensive wounds here this seems to be an attack that didn't the person didn't see coming because obviously if someone's going to sustain knife wounds to the throat and it's in the face and top of the head it's going to be you're going to fight that you know you're going to at least put your hands up even if you don't want to you're still going to do it instinctually just to save your face and uh so there's not a lot of defensive wounds so that's also a clue here um the defensive wounds more defensive wounds would be expected if she'd been attacked from the side or front they said so they're they think it's possibly this is all consistent with an attack from her rear

is what they're looking at here and uh they couldn't they couldn't obviously conclusively determine the direction of the attack but they you know that's the that's the thought process is um you know didn't see it coming and probably from the rear and all of this happened here um and at this point here they they don't want to uh release anything else about the killing they say the investigation continues uh but we find out that this is a young lady 24 year old alicia ernst is her name e-r-n-s-t like like the comedian like brett uh she lives in citrus heights which is nearby one of the houses that we talked about when the real estate report was uh from in citrus heights um alicia this is the thing too they find she's a 24 year old young lady she's thin blonde uh that sort of thing she has as we'll talk about it she uh you know her lifestyle she likes to

party and run around and she hangs out she doesn't have any kids or anything like that she's a single 24 year old girl 24 year old single girl so she's out doing her thing doing shit and you know hanging out and she does dabbles in drugs here and there and drinks and bars and you know does normal kid shit some shit that's not normal but you didn't do any meth probably there's some some little bit of meth involved here but i think that's just north central california standard i think that's like you know when we cut you know where i was everybody would smoke a joint here and then i think that's there like yeah you know i do meth on the weekends but you know not that she said that but i think that's like a north central california general you know just on the weekends though i mean jesus christ i can't do it at work the beer

a beer and a shot there is like an actual shot it's a shot it's a alicia ernst uh she's born in uh may 26 1983 she's from carmichael california uh she's grown up had a pretty normal life she's very uh outgoing really really bubbly um very friendly everybody likes her uh so this right away obviously if you find a young woman with her fingertips sheared off dumped on the side of a road somewhere dead your number one thought is she probably didn't have like she's probably not a have like a mafia crew that's beefing with another mafia crew you could probably rule shit like that out number one thing you're thinking is who's her boyfriend a and if not that uh where was she and did somebody take her and do this to her and dump her on the side of the road there they are honestly

because there was a few cases in the area of of finding bodies that and it was all kind of loose so they were thinking for a second they said do we have a serial killer is that what's going on here oh no that's honestly what they thought they're like young woman side of the road fingertips shaved off this is someone who has you know maybe tried to you know stepped up their game there was a lot of thought behind this for sure thought behind it and maybe they were thinking it's possibly someone who this is their escalation of something else this might have been like a first killing for them because it was a kind of a sloppy attack all over it's an easy identification uh i'm probably tied to this person exactly exactly that's the other thing too that's why they're that that was the thing they thought about the fingerprints is but then why would you leave a

face right a whole mouth a whole head right there not even if it's a head you just look at her and go oh yeah that's alicia like if you put her just a picture in the paper you know someone's going to know her like so that's a bad strategy so that's why they're thinking they thought maybe it's somebody's sloppy first attempt or second attempt you know some a new a new up-and-coming serial killer starting to get good at this making his way up the charts yeah megan white world yeah fix everything you got so they think that and also they think, who's her boyfriend? Because obviously the fingerprints coming off the fingers, maybe that's an acquaintance's clumsy way of distancing themselves from her here.

Now, they look into her background a little bit. She's a nurse's aide. She's been a nurse's aide for two years at Siena Care in Auburn. That's a tough fucking job. It's a really tough job. Yeah, nurse's aide is... Oh, Siena Care in Auburn. That's a tough fucking job. It's a really tough job. Yeah. Nurse's aide is. Oh, CNAs, that's wiping ass all day, man.

You're doing the shit job, literally. You're cleaning up gross objects. It's tough, man. And doing the hardest part of nursing. It's a really tough. Those people keep the healthcare industry working. They really do. I mean, without that, there would literally be a shit slog that would not be broken. would just you wouldn't a wall of shit that wouldn't be and those people just get shit

on all day oh yeah i'm not by like professionals like i paid people and people their patients too are not nice to those people a lot of times too and the doctor will come hello doctor and they're nice to them but they're like yeah who the fuck are you i want a doctor exactly yeah or the old people too you get because a lot of them are a lot of them are foreign too so you get old people get mad at them for my grandmother did not being able to yeah my grandmother would get mad at people for for that she got mad i don't like this one she's from some country that she doesn't like and i'm like who fucking cares what do you care she's on your time on your team now who gives a shit jesus christ i don't care shut up and get better fuck is wrong with you so uh she did this for two years she was planning on uh being a nurse

she was planning on going back to going to school and uh having a career in nursing uh she did she by the way she uh was a did all of this was a nurse's aid in a hospice oh this is a hospice center an angel yeah she literally dealt with people uh at their last most horrible time anybody who works in those places i am i can't i can't be in there man wow my i yeah to go in there for five minutes is insanely depressing i don't know how you people can do it and it's amazing hats off to you because it's necessary and you people are doing a hero work out there doing that shit that's that's insane two jobs i don't know how people do are that and prison guard yeah i have respect i mean prison guard someone's got to keep them in there but i have a little less respect for someone who

i have more respect for someone who wants to help someone in this position than someone who you know not to say anything wrong with a prison guard but i mean come on some of them are kind of like you know you treat people like shit sometimes you know you do you know you're not nice to those fucking guys even if they're half decent if you're a prison guard on death row then you're kind of hospice care also kind of yeah i think you need a different last time demeanor for that almost uh but now that we've insulted all the prison guards well i mean we said not as heroic as hospice care workers. You're not angels. I think objectively no one's going to argue with that.

They're going to go, yeah, no, I saw that this job had health care, and so that's why. It's not a calling. No one's like, I want to go lock myself in a maximum security prison. With absolute lunatics. For most of the day, for not a huge salary that's what no one dreams of that as a kid where some people as children they want to help people i want to be hired uh to go somewhere where people are sentenced sentenced that's what i mean i'll go there voluntarily

every day i'll kiss my wife on the cheek grab my lunchbox and head to this place and hope it's not riot day hope so hope nobody wants to pull in like an oz and stab me with an aids needle today you never know that's the thing too with cops like you you expect to be shot or shot at you that's the thing that's on your mind in prison you're you can get shot with a fucking makeshift oh anything stabbed with anything a blow dart gun yeah have you seen those things puncture shit it is insane what these people make. Prisons are the exact, they're the thing that convinces me that drug laws will never work. And I don't mean because all these people end up in prison because of drugs.

That's part of it. But the fact that prisons are full of drugs. If you can't keep drugs out of a fucking locked, sealed building with guys with fucking guns pointed at you on the outside and things you have to go through and detectors and searches. They can literally go up your asshole. If you can't keep drugs out of that, how the fuck do you expect

to keep them out of the free world? Are you out of your mind? Think about the logic behind that. Jesus H. Fucking come on. How far up must they get those drugs to get them in oh they do well they also it's not that it's mostly just through the mostly mostly bribing guards oh not too it's always they bribe the fuck out of guards that's the thing when you have people who absolute power

corrupts well if you have a guy that makes forty one thousand dollars a year and he's struggling to feed his fucking family and someone goes hey five grand if you let this shipment in you go look the other way today and i I don't fucking blame them. That's the thing. I don't blame them. They're not paid well. How else are you supposed to do it? So I guess the people that don't do that, you're heroes, sort of.

You're letting guys that are in a cage anyway not do drugs. Does that matter? Probably not. So whatever. Anyway, moving on. We don't pay the people well that keep an eye on them there, and then we don't pay people well that keep an eye on them, guiding them towards a plan of life so that they don't end up there.

We pay people who do very hard jobs shitty, I've noticed. That's tough. Yeah, it's not based on level of difficulty or level of... Because you would think it would be people who are willing to do it. It would be based on that scale. You'd get paid a lot i would think you'd get a better person too uh if you offer them more money that's the other thing yeah that helps too and the like my i had a high school teacher that got her fucking masters and she was going for her doctorate yeah and she she laughed she laughingly

told us that she made 38 grand last year i was like how are you affording that's what i mean are you gonna be a professor now you're going for tenure what are you going for stay here at a high school pay your student loans back state fucking funded or shit jesus so uh she was uh very very she alicia was known as a very nice girl that everybody liked uh she had uh like her family said she has like goals lists of goals up on her in her room up on her wall to remind her and motivate her and all that she's one of those people that has knows where she wants to go at least and is trying to get there here so obviously her family is devastated as you might imagine she's 24 this is completely unexpected she

just went out one night and never came home and was found the next morning. Yeah, they had her brother, Brandon, wrote for a newspaper, losing our beloved daughter, sister, niece, cousin, and friend is an incredible loss that words cannot describe. Our family will be mourning this tragic loss for years to come. Alicia will be dearly missed but never forgotten um and everybody just described her as very much the center of kind of attention and people and not because she wanted to be just because people were attracted to her her personality it's one of those sort of things and she's a pretty girl too so that helps obviously and uh things like that so the police want to solve this bad yeah you put her picture in the paper and it says dead people want that

shit solved. Like, oh, she's too blonde to be dead, I think. Dead and she didn't do it. Yeah, that's what people do. Hey, we got to solve that. She's too blonde and pretty. Yeah. Oh, no.

That's what happens. If she can't survive in this world, what chance do I have? What chance do I have? God damn it. Jesus Christ. I'm an ugly brunette. I'm fucked. Oh, no.

Nothing wrong. We're both. I'm married, too, and Jimmy is very much with a brunette. I am a very ugly brunette i'm fucked oh no nothing wrong we're both i'm married too and jimmy is very much with a brunette so very ugly brunette neither of us are into blondes and neither of us are blondes so clearly we're projecting so please go looking for clues um like i said obviously they want to talk to her boyfriends they want to talk to any guy she knows specifically any ex-boyfriends possibly or anything like that or maybe they're saying who knows what happened maybe she got separated from her friends maybe she was hitchhiking or waiting for a taxi or something because it's 2008 yeah so we're pre-uber yeah so maybe she's waiting so you know she could have been on the side of the road

like that it could have been a random pickup and and kill i'm not sure pre uh dating apps and yeah yeah because this is 2008 this is people still have blackberries that's true this is like blackberry time and just people kind of switching over to iphones blackberries are great i love that fucking thing i do too that little pearl i love the little ball god damn I love that thing. Moving around. I miss it. Super easy. So they processed the scene, and they basically went around the neighborhood that was near this rural area to see if anybody had heard or seen anything in the area the night before. There's not a lot of activity out here, so you might have noticed if somebody was out in the middle of the night and somebody was awake. So they find some people here. know out in the middle of the night and somebody was awake uh so they find some people here they find a family uh the white family here and they say about 5 a.m that morning on march 8th a woman a young woman knocked on their door a young brunette woman not not because they were like

oh maybe that was her and they said no no young brunette woman knocked on the door of a guy named paul white's house and uh this woman had blood on her. She had a lot of blood all over her and all over her hands. And this young woman was in a panic state. And she told this Paul White that three men had attacked her when her car broke down in the area. Three men had attacked her. And she said she knew one of the guys.

And it was a big, long story. And she didn't want law enforcement called but she just asked, could I please use your phone to call my grandmother? That's all she wanted. She wanted to go home. So instead of calling this guy, Paul White, the man who answered the door,

he just ends up driving this young lady to her grandmother's house and dropping her off. I guess she couldn't get a hold of her grandmother so he said, I can offer you a ride if you'd like and gives her a ride back to her grandmother's house so this is obviously somebody they would like to sure talk to grandma's house in the area covered in blood right around the time this woman would have been killed is a probably someone person of interest at the very least how paul is a very nice man to where he's like, sure. 5 a.m.? How about, is that your blood? If it is, I'm not taking you anywhere.

I'm taking you to the fucking hospital. Yeah, no, she said she didn't want anything involved because this was a very complicated situation. And she didn't want, these were dangerous people, basically. And she doesn't want to be tied up. And she just wanted to get home. And she doesn't want any law enforcement involved because that could be dangerous for her. It could be dangerous for you, Paul White, who I'm talking to to you don't want them seeing that i came here and cops came i could be i come for you next this is the reasons you need a gun james this is this is well i think i

have two dogs yeah those are my house is pretty safe guns you're pet yeah they're pettable guns good luck coming on in with those two so You have 240 pounds of dog to fight. Enjoy. Enjoy, fuckers. And one of them can jump to my face. Yeah. She can clear a goddamn wall. Yeah, she's 110 pounds and can clear a six-foot concrete wall.

So I don't think you want that. Stay out. So anyway, she's, you know, they find this and they're like okay this who the fuck is this where'd you take her so the cops can then you know go here and they find this young lady she's 24 years old same age as alicia right uh she at least was also alicia's also 24 her name stephanie erins e-r-e-n-d-s okay erins uh like sounds like you're running errands but not spelled that way so uh uh they after like we said after canvassing all this they they said well she was in the area um they talked to her now now she is stephanie has been turns out she's been best friends with alicia since she was 13

years old uh she very much knows alicia because they say do you know alicia she said that's my best friend of course i know alicia um yeah um and they confided everything in each other they've been best friends for over since the eighth grade right girls who've been friends since the eighth grade are now 24 know everything that's ever happened in either of their lives to the last hair there's so many men that she knows so much oh god think about how many guys they each know that have little dicks right have you know problems and oh man terrible it's so many things treasure trove of information lord it's like that's what it is when you get women with bad information about a guy is like that's like a disease it expedits exponential growth it's just gonna keep going she's gonna tell her this is to tell her. This is going to tell her. And they're going to tell four more.

It's going to go forever. It's a reason to buy a night out with each other. I've got so much to tell you. Oh, Jesus. Whereas guys, they'll do the opposite. Even if they didn't enjoy something, they'll say it was fantastic. Just to have something to brag about. You know what I mean?

Oh, she's the best. She's the worst. Doesn't matter oh my god like a fucking animal what is wrong with us i don't know why that's important for us is it ego that we want the people just to believe that whatever it is about us forces women to be amazing at everything i don't even think that it's also that we attracted somebody who's amazing i attracted somebody that wanted to make me happy i didn't even know she was amazing but like whatever my instinctual sexual drive is i needed and took me right to her she knew it and she i was right i'm taking all the credit for this basically is what it is

what i'm telling you guys that my hips told her what i needed yeah and she gave it to me i don't know if it's just the animal desire that they have for me personally, and they're so attracted to me that they get this special lust in their eyes, or if it's that I'm so amazing that I bring them up to my level. You know what I'm saying? Like if you put a good teammate with Michael Jordan, he's going to make him better. You know what I'm saying? Scottie Pippen on the Cavs ain't shit.

Garbage. Next to Michael Jordan, he's amazing. I think maybe that's what it is. That's what I'm trying to say. And there are two different types of men. I'm a legend. There's two different types of men and both of them are trash human beings.

One of them is, she blew me for like an hour because he's like, she wanted to please me. And the other is, I fucked her in the ass for an hour because I want it. It's always for me,

but it's whether or not I make it uncomfortable for her. Well, that's it. Well, it's the same thing. It's the old Michael Jackson thing. It's always for me, but it's whether or not I make it uncomfortable for her. Well, it's the same thing. It's the old Michael Jackson thing. It's not about making me feel good. It's about making you feel bad. That's what a lot of men have.

There's a lot of really, that's a thing that's weird that we have as guys. And it's either you have that or you don't. And that's the thing. Some guys have that. And for some reason, have that or you don't. Right. And that's the thing. Some guys have that. And for some reason, they want to brag about that. That's what I don't get. I don't know if it's like a conquering thing, like you're bragging like, I lorded over this. I lorded over an asshole for an hour.

I'm 2020 pirate. I'm the king of the hole. Look at me. I am the captain now. Fuck my filthy tongue drastic plast bags what a goddamn disaster so uh they knew each other very well we'll put it that way um but as they grew up here um alicia's more stable than stephanie alicia's got a job that she's and she's got goals and kind of

stephanie is more into it's more into drugs and that's kind of hanging out yeah she's she's a stephanie sorry stephanie's but you know you know a lot of you know that there's a lot of stephanies there you're like oh don't do it you're giving me a bad name here you're killing me you're killing me uh yeah stephanie doesn't have a whole lot going on for her. They both grew up in Roseville next door here, and Roseville has grew a lot since they were growing up, too. Think about it. This area exploded in growth in the last 20 years. So, I mean, when they were kids, they were watching it change and change and change, but generally it still had a small-town feel to it.

The name Stephanie is so cursed, by the way, that even the girl from Full House who was named Stephanie, it's not had a small town feel to it. The name Stephanie is so cursed, by the way, that even the girl from Full House who was named Stephanie, it's not even her real name. She's the worst. She's a crackhead. Yeah, it's bad.

It's bad. Maybe it was just that she had to spend time with Dave Coulier that made her a terrible person. That might have been the problem, I think, because he's a terrible person.

Or maybe those Olsen twins sold her the shit. Yeah, that's it right there. Because they're bad girls, too. I don't think they do drugs, though. They're just rich. I'm told that they... Well, I'm sure they might, but they don't know what they do in their private life.

They don't get arrested and they make hundreds of millions of dollars. So I don't know what they're up to, but they're doing it quietly and well. Heath Ledger knew. Yeah, I don't know. That's obvious. Yeah, that's a problem. He was very familiar. He's, yeah that's a problem he was very familiar he's he's he's yeah that'd be a wake-up call maybe not that oh these are bad bitches

whatever we did whatever he did maybe i shouldn't do so yeah stephanie is just hanging out with various boyfriend to boyfriend you know just kind of uh no rudless. She's got a rudderless life here. She's got a sailboat with no wind blowing. She's just fucking sitting there. So, yeah, she is 24. But she gets a little too much into drugs, though, too. She gets a little heavy into the meth once in a while and stuff like that. So not the most ideal situation for your 24-year-old, if you have one. So she's not a lot going on.

Recently, in 2008 2008 a few months before she had her boyfriend break up with her boyfriend of a few a few months i think it was a semi-serious relationship broke up with her and she was not happy about it uh he told her she needed some space she just wanted to have like some fun hang out and do shit like that and uh you know whatever you do meth and uh you're not a lot of fun basically and so she was like okay uh she so for the last few months she's really been confiding in alicia of all of her problems and telling her about you know the boyfriend and uh that sort of thing see stephanie feels terrible about herself and she also she complains about her weight a lot stephan Stephanie's a little bit overweight.

Malisha's very thin. So, yeah, Stephanie definitely has like, you know. A little bit of envy. A little bit of that. Yeah, personality-wise, too. Stephanie, she's kind of sullen. People say she's not that friendly. She's not that outgoing.

She's not bubbly. If they're together, one of them's going to be happy and the other one nobody wants to talk to. Well, that's the way the friendships work. Kind of. Yeah. A lot of them. You find your opposite and that's your best relationships. Usually.

Yeah. Yeah. No. But she's a little bit more than, she's not like grumpy in a fun way. You know what I mean? Oh, no. Like I'm fun grumpy where I get grumpy about shit and i say things but i say them in a funny way to you know whatever to make them palatable whatever she just goes fuck it i'll

just die this sucks you know whereas i'm going to tell you exactly why it sucks and it'll be amusing it's a little more fun so uh uh yeah and people for some reason want to talk to me i just don't want to talk back nobody really wants to talk to stephanie so it's one of those things uh she just she kind of just turns to alicia and confides everything in her and she didn't have a lot of friends outside of alicia since high school she's just kind of she doesn't work consistently so she doesn't get like a you know kind of an adult group of friends maybe that you make it in or around work doesn't quite have that she's just hanging on to her her middle school friend not even high school so uh yeah i mean people people knew them always be to be together here uh so she was mainly just drinking and doing drugs and shit like that uh she had uh uh she went to school for a little while stephanie you know just a little stint

community college type of thing uh jobs that never added up to things a waitress over here works at a store over here you're typical just trying to figure it out uh Stephanie used to visit sometimes uh Alicia's where Alicia would work and uh and you know visit her and you know see what she's up to and hang out this lady's cleaning fucking bedpans right and her friend's showing up what you up to I hang out. This lady's cleaning fucking bedpans. Her friend's showing up. What you up to? I don't know, working? Right.

Doing gross shit that no one else wants to do? Stuff like that? It's 10 a.m. I've made $40. That's what I'm doing. That's what I'm doing. How's that feel? She's like, $40?

That'll buy you. That sounds great. You can get some meth with that. Do you have the $40? I've been here since 4 a.m. Can I borrow it? I've been here since yesterday..m. Can I borrow it? I've been here since yesterday.

But they would, like, after work, they'd go to, like, the bar together and have some drinks, and they'd go to a friend's house where they could, you know, booze it up, or you know, smoke some weed, do some meth, shit like that, because Alicia was, she wasn't a stranger to that shit either. You know, a lot of people are, and drugs are

a tough thing. It's very prevalent. it's very prevalent man the thing about them james is that they work that's the thing that's what they always say it's a george carlin people do drugs because they work right that's why they certainly do if you're tired and you do coke you will not be tired anymore i assure you of it i assure you you won't be tired you are not very hungry smoke weed you're about to get hungry yeah you're gonna be hungry you might be tired you might be interested in things depends on what kind of weed you're smoking but there's a lot of results it always does something though that's uh an effect that you want you're gonna find it if you're feeling a little too up and adam yeah do some heroin you'll be way more relaxed i promise you're gonna

calm down calm right down with that shit so yeah so she uh you know they would do that sort of thing uh alicia apparently uh would they would hang out and party and shit like that and stephanie would be like depressed about her boyfriend and alicia's like come on you know be fun you know which is the wrong thing to say to stephanie because her boyfriend told her she wasn't any fun but so it was kind of that sort of thing where it was like come on be fun be fun be fun uh and like alicia had a boyfriend at the time too that she was kind of seeing so we're gonna hang out with them and they'd be making out and then stephanie's the third wheel sitting there going my boyfriend doesn't like me anymore right you know he says i'm not fun am i not fun and this guy's like right now you're not fun i'm trying to do things to this chick here i'm trying to get her to fuck

my stupid tongue yeah what are you doing here get yourself some drastic flashbacks get the fuck out of my house so uh there is nothing worse than uh anybody male or female being told and broken up with that they're no fun and then going to try to be that. Do you know what I mean? Oh, yeah, yeah. Because then they're just going to be a mess. That person is the worst person. They're going to be a disaster.

I can be fun. I'm fun. No, just be yourself. Not that. Be yourself. Yeah. That doesn't mean you have to be insane. Right.

Insane and fun are different. You're going to get either someone else or yourself very hurt or very arrested. Yeah. If you find yourself in situations that you normally wouldn't find yourself in that are dangerous or potentially illegal, that might not be the fun you're looking for. That's what I'm saying.

That might not be exactly what you want. And that's not what your ex meant. I don't think so. So on Stephanie's 25th birthday, I'm sorry, that is March 7th of 2008, she's hanging out with Alicia. They hang out. They decide that they want to score some meth. That's what they need here.

That's what they're looking for. So they go to Alicia's friend's house, her friend Richard's house, for a while to get some trying to look for some shit now he said he didn't have anything to sell to them or he couldn't get anything right now but he's you know they came they still went and hung out for a little while he ended up you know having some booze and shit like that they hung out uh you know that sort of thing uh it's at this point uh um they leave here they go to somebody else's house uh i'm sorry they come back to richard's house after they get some meth they leave they get meth they come back to richard's house this is the guy that alicia's kind of seeing here um it's at this point that they you know they do their meth and they drink some booze and they smoke some weed and they're doing some shit and just kind of having

a having a buffet yeah so apparently it's at this point in time that we find out that things start to go a little weird with the girls. With the ladies, I should say here. Apparently, Stephanie's complaining and Alicia starts making comments about her weight. Starts saying things about her weight. And she was saying like she was trying to pick on her about being depressed and this sort of shit but then she was also saying like nasty shit oh no she's trying to be a friend and then she would turn it nasty apparently from what people were saying like she would say like you know i know that you're depressed you don't have your boyfriend but it doesn't stop you from you know from fucking everybody else in town like you you fuck this

guy this guy and this guy since then so i don't know what you're so depressed about right shit like that like well you're a whore so what do you care like not not helpful stuff kind of depression hasn't stopped you from eating yeah hasn't stopped you from eating and fucking everybody so that's nice good to see your stomach and pussy are still working that's not that's not something you want to say appetite so yeah uh so apparently uh you know stephanie felt hurt about this and her alicia and her boyfriend were kind of laughing at this sort of thing and uh at one point they're outside hanging out because they smoke meth in the garage and then they were like smoking cigarettes and that sort of thing and apparently alicia said alicia said she was sorry and she said i'm sorry

i just say you know you do drugs you say stupid shit yeah you know how it is right and you know stephanie was like fine and she says to her though and this was overheard if you lose weight maybe guys will like you more though that's all i was trying to say like maybe that'll help like and she's trying to be like helpful like you know like if you said to me what do i have to do and i was like i don't know dress nicer or something like that like that's kind of what not that you need to dress nicer but if that was the case that's kind of what you said like what what do you need to do i don't know maybe lose weight guys will like you then guys like that feel better about yourself and then you'll be more confident that's what she means i think probably

not what she meant that's not yeah that's not how it came out that's certainly not how stephanie how stephanie took it yeah as well as she also said that uh she slept with a whole bunch of people she also used this alicia apparently told her that she'd you know they'd seen each other fucking before and that she told stephanie that she she quote looked foul while having sex oh what so she said she just didn't like it's not nice no it's it's the unnecessary things that's when you fuck it's not visually appealing i don't want to watch that ever again yeah well then fucking don't i find it not not appetizing to watch you have sex now i know it's not my responsibility to watch you have sex but i'm gonna in the times that i have it's been very consistent i'm gonna though yeah so it's all a light-hearted nightmare on our podcast morbid

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or wherever you get your podcasts. Oh, a couple days go by as the police gather some, try to gather evidence and, you know, interview people Listen on Max or wherever you get your podcasts. The evening of March 10th, police, this is Detective Christina Wu, she goes with, she finds Stephanie and wants to talk to her here. She went with, Stephanie said she went with Alicia to a bar on March 7th, which was her birthday. She said that Alicia didn't want to leave the bar, so Stephanie said, I just left and went to other bars by myself. She said she went home for a while and then ended up going to a friend's house. Stephanie said she left about 3 a.m.,

and she said she was run off the road at 4 o'clock in the morning. That's why she was run off the road. Guys attacked her. She went to Paul White's house. He drove her to her grandmother's. That's the story here. She said she, and this is confirmed by neighbors she had knocked on about five houses

doors before she could get somebody to answer because it's 5 a.m frantic knocking at the door is like is that our kid or something no fuck him i don't know that bitch is covered in blood i'm not answering shit yeah if it's 5 a.m it's too early for strangers covered in blood you know what i'm saying wait till the sun comes up it's like 2 30 3 o'clock in the afternoon i can handle a stranger covered in blood at that point but 5 a.m i am way too stoned to deal with that i can't handle it it's going to be really difficult for me to go whoa jesus this is no too heavy what happened to you can't do it here so also stephanie takes detective woo and detective don murchison to the bars that she went to she says i went to this bar and then she went to i

went to this bar they're kind of making her do like a you know just reenact the whole night to try to see where she was and where alicia was to see where who they may have come in contact with she claimed here that uh when she was run off the road a man came up and grabbed her by the neck okay said grabbed her by the neck and caused her to bleed and while she was trying to run away she said she did she got away from him when another car drove past he loosened up to like not look like he was accosting a young lady and she said at that point she was able to slip away and run into the neighborhood and once she started banging on people's doors that they left her alone but her car is like uh you know in the in the bushes somewhere we'll find out here uh they

find her car it's like in a barbed wire it's like in a barbed wire fence in a bush like it was run off the road basically is where her car is now uh so they they find that and it's it's in the same vicinity general vicinity of where alicia's body was found so this is all just a little weird and and they look they so they go over they say okay this is your car she shows him this is where i got run off the road and when they look in one of the detectives notices blood on the driver's side door so they're like okay that's something to note as well as between the seat and center console there's some blood too yeah so i mean that's that's something to note here um so they they also you know they they they ask around at that

point to see if they have anyone had seen the two of them together in the area stephanie and alicia they're doing that sort of thing uh she's not saying anything but from the blood and from the time and from the just the circumstantial shit they they do arrest her yeah uh they're gonna bring her in it's not a lot to charge her on at the moment but it's still uh suspect number one it's a lot happening where they're gonna at least bring her in um they said at that point quote the suspect has not been very forthcoming uh they they just said that there's enough probable cause that exists to connect her to the case in some way so they want to keep her they're like we don't know i'm not saying she did this but we're saying she she knows something

she's too close and to everything it's not just a coincidence that she's run off the road she's trying to basically make it like yeah these three guys ran me off the road who knows what they did to alicia that's you know what i mean that's the the general gist i think she's trying to put out there that's a methie mind exactly exactly like who knows fuck i mean jeez i'm lucky i got away that guy saved my life knocking on his door so uh they bring her in they interrogate her at the placer county jail on march 11th they They read her Miranda rights. Once they read her Miranda rights, she just stops, and she says that, quote, she wants to, quote, confess to killing Alicia Ernst.

And she says that she slit her throat with a razor. Oh, boy. Just plain as day. She goes, I want to confess and say I did it. I slit her throat with a razor. They're like, interesting. Care to expand on that a little bit maybe have our attention uh yeah uh they said well uh this is uh this is based on uh she said they got back to

that guy's house uh her boyfriend richard hammond uh they hung out for a few hours and smoked meth uh they said that they watched an adult video at some point so they watched porn and at some point uh alicia and hammond went and took a shower yeah together at some point and enough of this let's go that's right yeah and then hey that looks interesting let's try that position so then uh apparently Alicia, this is all according to Stephanie, obviously. Alicia started making rude comments about her, calling her fat, saying she looked gross while she fucked. From the shower?

This is no. Afterwards. After the shower. Yeah. She's like, hey, you look gross while you fuck harder back there. I don't think that's what happened at all. No, no. Draws the shower curtain to shout insults no no this is this is all based on stephanie's uh uh you know version

of events here she says that alicia then pulled down one of her like pulled down side of her pants like to like show the side of her leg in her ass and made fun of her about it she said it exposed her underwear stephanie did thing that we haven't said yet is this richard who alicia's hanging out with and going to take a shower with is one of stephanie's ex-boyfriends oh jesus they used to go out not recently but in a couple years before that so do that this is extra bad for stephanie as far as making her mad so alicia uh you know she said that Alicia Alicia said all it was insulting her calling her a whore and all that uh Stephanie said that this made her feel like crap and it was her birthday and everything and she was uh she said that Alicia was supposed to

be her friend but she kept insulting her even after she asked Alicia nicely to stop she wouldn't stop picking on her so she says Stephanie that she needed to get her keys from her grandmother's house. And at that point, Alicia suggested that she come with. Now, Stephanie said that Alicia had seemed to feel bad. She had apologized. She said the thing, I'm just saying maybe if you lose weight. She's given her the benefit of the doubt, she she says as far as she was trying to be helpful and she's generally has some contrition about you know saying she's a a foul looking fuck a fat whore who looks gross when she does her deed

she didn't say she smelled it all no that's true like she just looks gross she just looks gross she does it a lot so she looks gross a lot i so she looks gross a lot. I see you look gross a lot. By the way, that's not exercise. I can tell because you're not losing a pound. I think that's what she said to her. No. We don't know. So she said that she seemed to feel bad, so Stephanie decided to let Alicia come with her.

She said also, at that point, she realized how high she was and shit like that. And she said that Alicia was kind of nodding off in the seat next to her after that while they're driving because it's nighttime and whatever. So she decides to drive to an isolated spot on Walegra Road here and wait for a few minutes before she goes back to her grandmother's house. And Alicia said, why are we here? She kind of woke up and said, where the fuck are we in this abandoned area? And she said, I want to wait a little while because my grandmother leaves for work in about a half hour. So I'm going to hang here until she leaves because I don't want to see her all fucking drunk and hopped up on meth. Hi, Grandma.

How are you doing? While she's leaving for work. Good morning. Morning. How are you? Oh, boy. I'll tell you what. That's a for work good morning morning how are you oh boy i'll tell you what that's a nice dress you got a good buick it's really nice that's good as coffee on coffee we got coffee that's good toast is that a grapefruit i like grapefruit what the fuck so uh yeah she said that uh she they got to the spot and waited there and stephanie at that point asked alicia asked alicia why she treated her that. Why did you treat me this way on my birthday, no less?

And she said that Alicia tried to laugh it off and thought it was funny, she said, which made her feel even worse. Sure. Because she was like it didn't even matter to her. So apparently, at this point, Stephanie told her to shut up and hit her in the face. She said that she backhanded her across the face at that point like basically if you're sitting in the driver's seat she like just whacked her with the back of her fucking arm like you've instead of punching her that way just boom hit her one of those she said she said that alicia got mad and they started to fight well yeah obviously what it's gonna do

uh she said she they were pulling each other's hair and it's and it's a cat fight in a fucking front seat of a car, which is crazy. Close encounters. I would say so. So Stephanie said she pulled Alicia's sweatshirt hood over her head, like she had a hoodie on. She pulled it down and over her head to try to keep her away. That was a way to control her, kind of like a hockey player does. away that was a way to control her kind of like a hockey player does and then she said she reached into a storage area of the driver's seat the little driver's seat area little console and grabbed the scraper and she said she pressed it into uh onto alicia she says that at that point

alicia's feet were on the dash as they struggled because they found footprints on the windshield on the inside of the windshield. So that's a sign. She's pushing herself back to get away from that on the back. Yeah, her feet are up and she's trying to get away from it. She said she pressed it onto her. She said that as Alicia tried to get Stephanie off of her, they fell out of the passenger side door and rolled out onto the ground. This is her story now. onto the ground this is her story now uh she said that uh uh as this was going on they're clawing each other uh they're yelling at each other and all this type of thing they they fought

and she said as they as they uh fell out she said that alicia screamed and uh put her hand up to her throat and was you know like she accidentally stabbed her with this thing is basically what she's saying okay so uh yeah this is this is the um it's a bad story this is a bad story it doesn't equate to the evidence so also no no and she said at that point she panicked so she didn't know what else to do so she uh you know decided to cut off her finger cut off her her fingers so there's no fingerprints and pour ammonia all over her body. Now, by the way, that's her second story. That's her second story. Her first story was that she got mad at her, got mad at Alicia, didn't start fighting with her. First, she says, I got into the backseat, told and telling Alicia I'm going to change my pants.

And then once I got back there, I had the knife already in the backseat waiting for me. And once I did that, I used it to slit her throat. I believe that story. Yeah, I believe that one, too. Use it to slit her throat. And then when she was struggling, that's when she was trying to do it more and stabbing at it. I was trying to cut her throat more. Savage.

Yep. She said she slit her throat in the car. Then she pulled her out of the car which would make sense because the car is soaked in fucking blood and you know something had to happen in the fucking car so she said she pulled her out of the car and cut her fingerprints off as much as she could and then poured ammonia that she also had with her over the body and uh yeah so then she said she didn't know what to do she had to leave at that point obviously she couldn't just hang out next to the fucking thing so she didn't know what to do. She had to leave at that point, obviously. She couldn't just hang out next to the fucking thing.

So she didn't know what to do. So she said she panicked and decided to drive her car into some bushes in a fence to make it look like, you know. Down the road a piece. She had some tragedy. You know what I'm saying? It's like Tommy Boy. When you, cops behind you, you pull over and pretend there's bees chasing you or something. It's kind of, she kind of pulled one, tried to pull one of those off and i don't think that's

a i think that was that was that tommy boy or black sheep one of the two that was black sheep in both of them they travel around the country in a fucking car doing stupid shit it's the same movie you don't know the difference because it's the same movie right one has rob low and one doesn't that's the only difference and i don't know which one it is. Tommy Boy is Rob Lowe. Yes. That's for sure. Because I can picture him going, Tommy. Right.

Yeah. Black Sheep is the one with the guy from Animal House. He's running for governor or something. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Is he in Animal House?

Governor. He's in Animal House. Yeah. He's the main guy. Right. Yeah. Yes. He's the main leader of the Animal House.

I don't know why I saw somebody else. I'm looking at nerds we're mixing up nerds animal houses same movie let's talk about doc hollywood again where's the great outdoors in this you got to twist it chat twist it simulate kindling my brain is fucking broken fuck my dirty tongue you trashed it class bag jesus christ man so then after pouring the ammonia on her cutting her fingerprints off she found a bunch of garbage from around all over the side of the road and decided to pile out on top of her so no one will see her then she's running up and down the road just collecting picking up newspapers and oh there's a coke can i throw that on there yeah so light bottle yeah uh she admitted

at first buying the ammonia and the blade several weeks before with the intention of using them to kill alicia oh that's not good she admitted that first and then she takes it back though and gives that other story of hey um we fought and it was an accident. Yeah. So they ask her, why did you do this? So you say you bought this in advance. Why would you do this? Why did you want to kill your friend? And why did you plot it for weeks and get equipment ready and all this? Her answer?

Oh, boy. Not only was she mad because she thought that Alicia was kind of playing her for a punk, but something even worse. Oh, boy. She claims that a few weeks ago, I'm sorry, about six months before the killing, that they were sleeping, both of them in the same house, and that Stephanie was awoken by Alicia, quote, pouring acid down her throat.

Okay. Like pool acid. Yeah. Pouring it in her mouth, like down her throat, like trying acid yeah pouring it in her mouth like down her inner throat like trying to kill her with just in time i woke up as full of pool ass that's what she said they were so obviously she felt like alicia was this was inevitable yeah she was gonna kill her obviously she was you know tried that tried the acid thing so she said after that she started to get a plan and said, I better have a thing to defend myself.

And if I do have to defend myself, I better get some ammonia. That'll do something. I don't know what. Something. I don't know what ammonia is going to do. I don't know why she got that. That's what I don't understand. That's usually to cover shit up, isn't it?

I would assume that DNA or whatever might kill something. I don't know what she's thinking, but it doesn't melt the person's face. It doesn't get the person's face. No. It doesn't get their teeth gone. It doesn't liquefy a body to make it absorb back to the earth. But what it does do is it keeps insects and animals away and preserves the body perfectly. Yeah. And the garbage on top kept it out of the sun. Fuck, it was perfect.

It was like in a, like a, it was, she made a makeshift like morgue basically. Like an above ground mummy. An above ground morgue. I'll save this for the cops. They really have it really good and intact when they come. The best opportunity to solve this case. I really, I feel bad. So, yeah, she said that, you know, she then took the cops to where she said, because they

go, okay, well, where'd you put, they just have to make sure she's telling the truth because she could have just made this up. So they said, where'd you put the ammonia bottle and all that shit? And they made her take it to the spot and show them where she had put that, which is where they found the bag and where they found the ammonia. So she's telling the truth. She knows what, she knows at least. She knows what was there. She saw what happened, and she at least did what happened here.

Now, the detective says that he thinks that she held back some information during her confession a little bit. She didn't feel like she was totally with forthcoming about motive. She's like that pouring acid down the throat. That sounds far fetched. I'm not fucking buying it. I don't think you kill your best friend. That just sounds like bullshit basically.

And it's in Northern California. I mean, I guess there's a lot of swimming pools. Yeah, there's pools. There's pools. I mean, you can get pool. Yeah, it's in northern california i mean i guess there's a lot of swimming pools yeah there's pools there's pools i mean you can get pool i'm buying it yeah it's but super possible here uh so also another reason why they didn't trust her is because she said she'd never been in the murder at that murder scene before stephanie never been in that area before or as her boyfriend her ex boyfriend said oh we used to go there all the time we know that area well that's where we go you know just suck each other and do shit like that and fuck each other's filthy tongues.

That's where I used to go watch her look foul while I fucked her. Yeah, that's where I would close my eyes tight. So they said, do you know anything about an acid pouring down of the throat? He goes, never heard of that one, no. So Stephanie hadn't confided in anybody else about this acid thing. He does, though, he says that, you know, the detective says, I believe most of it. I believe the murder part because the evidence shows it all,

but I don't believe the motivation or whatever. So they search her car, obviously. When they do that, they found red stains on both the driver and passenger doors, along with gouges and scratches on the roof of the car from the inside. Oh, she was going hard. Yeah, she was hacking, probably cutting the headliner up and everything else the roof of the car like from the inside oh she was going hard yeah she was hacking probably cutting the headliner up and everything else so lots of shit like that uh also uh blood on the steering wheel the interior of the car including saturated blood stains in the lower left quadrant of the passenger seat right so right where you'd hit that that artery

and it would come out and be yeah so right there and uh also two uh shoe prints with blood up on the windshield doesn't look good so it looks terrible for the way she said it went down after the the second time when she was like i just said that because she said i thought that's what she wanted to hear she said i told you that i planned it and everything because that's what you wanted to hear and she said she literally said i felt like if i told you the real story it would sound like i was blaming alicia and i didn't i thought that would sound bad for me to be like i was blaming alicia like she was mean to me so i killed her so that's why i didn't tell you this story i just told you the other one because that's what you wanted to hear i felt so guilty about it i didn't even care if it wasn't true i just wanted to i felt i felt so guilty about it. I didn't even care if it wasn't true.

I just wanted to... I felt like a monster. In actuality, once I verbalized it, I realized I'm a piece of shit. I realized, wow, that's going to sound bad in court. Holy shit. Once I talked to a lawyer and he said, you said what to them now? Hold on a second. You said you had the murder weapon waiting and you were lying in wait for months. He realized this is California. There's a death penalty here, you dips lying in wait for months. You realize this is California.

There's a death penalty here, you dipshit. Tell you what. Yeah. You couldn't take it. You went into a rage. You happened to have a tool in your car from a wallpaper job you were doing. These things happen. Okay?

And that's the new story. Matter of fact, she came after you. She had the blade. Yeah. You disarmed her and then did the work. Perfect. Now, her ex Stephanie's ex-boyfriend and Alexander Kapustin is the guy who broke up with her recently. He tries to visit her in jail, visit Stephanie in jail, and he has an outstanding warrant.

He's arrested. Find out if you have a warrant before you try to visit someone in jail because they will arrest you matter of fact you're at that's where all that's where they all are if you've ever had a warrant don't go to the jail fucking go there they will arrest you for something it's a fucking idiot he's a dummy oh he's a dummy and he also had a newspaper clipping on him he had a newspaper clipping on the case. Yeah. Along with a note that he was going to pass her that. And this is what this note says. The note says, quote, tell me you don't tell me you don't do that.

Tell me you didn't do that because you still think I was messing around with her. Yeah. Apparently she had accused Alicia and and him of fucking and so he's and they maybe were because he said still messing if you still think that oh god tell me you didn't do this because you still think we're messing around like tell me that wasn't the reason you did this because you think she fucked me because that didn't happen i'm chancing my freedom to ask this question yeah and he's because he denied it and still denied it he said we never fucked yeah just i mean sorry it didn't happen uh also alicia's uh you know boyfriend the the guy whose house they

spent the you know night at that night hanging out he says that he got a knock on the door from alicia uh that night of march 7th they were dating at the time uh he had also like you said once dated stephanie uh he said that stephanie and he had asked him if he had any any meth he said no they left for about 30 minutes came back around 1 30 or 2 in the morning presto with meth hey presto metho there they go they have meth um they smoked it in his garage which that's that's what you seems like the place the place to do it at least he was decent enough to don't stink up my upholstery right with fucking my like couches with meth don't do it where i where i have you ever smelled that shit it's very it's very sweet actually no it's not that

bad it smells like fucking wires burning it's disgusting i fucking had a friend one time it smells terrible jimmy It fucking smells disgusting. It doesn't smell sweet. What are you talking about? There's a sweet smell to it. It hangs in your nose. It's not. It's not that bad.

It's not sweet. I've smelled meth in a room. It smells like. No bigger than this. It was like a fucking, like a garage that somebody built behind the trailer. Crack and meth smell differently, like way different. smell differently like way different they smell a lot different because crack is actual coke in it which is a different thing completely i can yeah crack doesn't smell like meth meth smells like crack sweet no i don't know if sweets the but it depends on what it depends on what it's it depends on what

it's cut with too it's all cut and cooked it's a totally every crack batch is different jimmy that's the thing they're like snowflakes every crack batch is different, Jimmy. That's the thing. They're like snowflakes. Every crack rock is different. A fairly handsome man was smoking it. I think I've told that before. Yeah. I saw him. I was like, this guy can get girls and he's doing this shit.

He was a punchline. Jesus Christ. But he had a little, like a bulb in a tube. Yeah, yeah. He was stuck in the little rose gums in. With a little bit of the the brillo pad yeah the tip of it right yeah and he's smoking that in there and that yeah i i always thought it was meth no that smells like uh it smells like burning wire mixed with nag champa incense that would be what

meth smells like exactly to a t it's fucking terrible nag champa incense like if you go in any smoke shop sweet part any smoke shop yeah that's the kind of weird but it's got like that weird like kind of tinge it'll give you a headache smell to it the shit that you're like is that a metallic fucking gross yeah that's the weirdest thing when someone just starts smoking meth in front of you and i was like 19 i had this apartment and there was this neighbor that i talked to and he came over one day what's up dude what's going on we're sitting there he just started smoking meth i was like what are you doing in my fucking house don't smoke meth in here in the house you have to go now like no that's a different level of smoking in the house too

he whipped it out as if he cracked a beer open it was like want one like that's how casual it was he just whipped it out and just he didn't even be like mind like he just started lighting it up it was like i don't even smoke cigarettes in here what are you doing no barely smoke weed in here is that nag champa and burning stereo speaker wires what is that it smells like so uh it's the nag champa that really puts that it's the cheap ones too it's the yeah that blue fucking that they sell every smoke shop has a stack of them

on the counter nobody wants those no it gives you a fucking headache it's nasty as shit but they do want it because if you're smoking weed

it covers the weed because it's a pungent fucking smell it's so pungent it covers weed smell that's literally why it exists ridiculous

it's for like dorms in 1972 so they invented it and for some reason they still make it i don't know why so i'll call that guy and find out what the fuck he was smoking in that trailer what were you smoking i want to know because i have to argue with james whether or not that was sweet he might have got some good maybe he got some like a little brown sugar in the mix i'm not sure he doesn't make it more around if you ever cooked that up was a fucking gourmet we don't know

he dropped it in his uh batch of chocolate chip cookies and it'll be fine it'll be fine oh wow meth cookies now we're talking about something hey everybody it's a batch of meth cookies who wants one it's the way to smoke it where it doesn't stink like burning speaker wire and incense. Unreal. So he, this Hammond guy here, yeah, he says they smoke some meth in the garage. He said that Alicia and Stephanie kind of teased each other. He said they were equally kind of teasing each other back and forth, like breaking each other's balls kind of. He said it wasn't like one was picking on the other or anything like that they were just you know picking on each other but you do this well you're a fucking whore oh well i fuck you you skanky whore

look at your you know what about when you fuck that guy like but like he said like not they weren't arguing it was like a good natured ball breaking weird uh he said at one point uh at one point he said they were like uh he even said he went as far as to say he thought they were kind of flirting almost. It was almost like a flirty thing. He said at one point, Stephanie even sat on Alicia's lap for a while, which was weird. And he was like, they were kind of like going back, like talking smack and flirting with each other, sort of.

But Alicia was also flirting with him and making out with him and then they put porn on the whole thing it's really weird this whole thing is fucking strange first of all how many lady on lady killings do we find that's why i said this is a rare one i think we've had maybe one like straight just lady on lady killing it's just they're so hard to find they just don't exist was that the one in manistique no that was a dude that was a dude no from what i find women kill they kill they kill men yeah they kill men that they're upset with they kill women who take men that they're upset with they kill children but when they kill children it's usually and this is just for my

you know research that i've come across i don't know the psychological ram kill children it's usually and this is just for my uh you know research that i've come across i don't know the psychological ramifications but it's usually a postpartum and they it's just they don't know why or it is to kill the children as revenge on the man they're angry at which is the one thing that's weird it's the one thing that men and women don't do i it's so rare that you see a man kill his kids to get back at a woman he's mad at usually he'll kill her yeah well he'll kill the dog yeah he might kill everybody right but he'll he'll make sure she fucking gets it first all right she's getting it she's getting the worst of it he might blow his own fucking brains out right which women generally don't do after they

do this sort of thing probably because they get way lesser sentences usually. Maybe, that's why. I don't know. That Robert Fisher guy, whose case is still fucking unsolved, he killed the kids, but he fucking ruined that wife. Yeah, oh yeah. That's where the anger was.

The kids are just, I don't want, the men have, it's psychological, it's a fucked up psychological thing, but they have in their head that, oh, once I'm out of the picture, no one can survive without me. It's a weird narcissism so they're like well i have to

kill the kids because what kind of life are they gonna have obviously without me in the picture that's how they do it that's why they think of it women are like see how he fucking likes this so you like your new wife and you like this and you love your kids well what if you didn't have those fucking kids that's how they do it like that's a woman who snapped it's just a different thing it's why like in my joke in mug shots if you see a woman in her mug shot smiling that's always some sort of violence that's always assault and she's not fucking sorry about it for one moment she's happy with what she's done she doesn't care where she is or what the consequences are it's all good she's happy so uh yeah, he said that they watched an adult movie.

And then he said that he and Alicia went into the shower where they had sex. This is his story. And then he said after that, that he heard Alicia tell Stephanie that she had watched her have sex with other men when they lived together. And that was it she said she didn't say she looked he didn't hear the part where he said where alicia told her you look foul while you do it and you're gross she just said i've seen like alicia was like oh you guys basically stephanie was mad that they went in there to fuck and she was like well i've seen you fuck in front of me at the house like we live together and you were fucking people so what's the difference i at

least went in the other room okay sort of that was the argument from what I understand here. And it sounds like Alicia's just hanging out. That's her boyfriend. She's hanging out with her boyfriend. She goes and has sex with her. When you're younger, if there's other people there, you go in another room and that's like, how many times have you done that when you're younger? That's what you do.

So there's nothing wrong with that behavior at all. It's fine. You're allowed to have sex and drink booze and fuck your boyfriend that girl doesn't that girl doesn't get to have uh feels about it that are fucking detrimental to life no yeah stephanie doesn't get to get that mad about it that's what i mean yeah alicia wasn't doing anything to anybody apart than that alicia's boyfriend is your her ex and that's the case alicia why are you stephanie why are you around that that's the thing do that to yourself that would be kind of extra fuel on that fire. Like, if you were breaking balls, it would be one thing if it was in front of some guy

you don't care about, but that's your ex-boyfriend who now fucks with this girl who you think is way more attractive than you, and you feel bad about that anyway. And he seconds that opinion by fucking and being in a relationship with her. Snowballing. And it's your birthday. And it's your birthday. Exactly. And it's your 25th birthday. So know you're you're you're seeing that clock happen too he uh he said they left uh he said but after all this happened he said that stephanie didn't seem

upset at all he said that she told her that you know i've seen you fuck people and she was like yeah whatever like that was went on to the next thing. Wasn't like a big like, damn it. Cross my arms. And how dare you? None of that at all. He also said he said Alicia and and Stephanie left at about 4 a.m. And that was that. Now, Alicia, once she changes her story to I, you know, it was an accident.

We tumbled out. She says that that she only told that earlier story like i said because out of guilt and also because she didn't hear her miranda rights she didn't listen so she didn't pay attention she just said yes i said now meanwhile you have to initial a sheet it says every fucking right checklist it's a checklist and you check every one so she didn't hear or read apparently she said that she didn't know that she was allowed to stop talking to them. It's the first. Have you ever seen a movie? Have you seen Law and Order one time?

The very first right you have? Right to remain silent. Everything you say can and will be used against you. Everything else doesn't matter. If you don't afford a lawyer. If you don't live in America, our UK people, Europe people, Australianian people you fucking know those lines don't you you don't even live here and you know those fucking lines that's how omnipresent they are the very first one you knew that matters yeah right to remain so miss that whole thing you

could skip every i went over that i don't know what it was i just i forgot about it so they charge her with first degree murder yeah uh in addition to that though they charge her with first-degree murder. In addition to that, though, they charge her with a special allegation of lying in wait, which is an enhancer as well. Really? Lying in wait. Yeah, like trapping someone, like an animal, basically. Not great here for her, anyway. Which is like super premeditated. It's very premeditated, lying in wait.

It's like stalking a fucking... That's what it is. Taking someone that you've had this whole thing planned. It's way worse. her anyway it's like super premeditated it's very premeditated lying away stalking a fucking that's what it is taking someone that you've had this whole thing planned it's way worse it's way mentally that's a way more awful person that could do that basically it's sealing the premeditation part exactly super premeditated so they find where she had uh she had gone to a hardware store weeks earlier we found where she bought it and she found this sharp item uh and it was a what's a wallpaper scraper that's like a razor sharp thing on the end and uh so they put her in front of some psychologists let's find out what the fuck is wrong with her exactly yeah uh one of them uh

paula orange a forensic psychologist she said quote stephanie had a vivid imagination she began constructing a movie in her own head she imagined imagined Alicia having sex with her boyfriend as, as her warped mind went to work. She replayed the visions in her mind constantly. The more drugs she took, the more real this illusion illusion seemed. She had chemically convinced herself that Alicia had stolen her boyfriend, her boyfriend that had just dumped her.

She was convinced. She went after him and told him you fucked alicia that's what this whole thing is he's like i don't know i barely know alicia i just don't want to fuck you anymore right and uh she apparently was harboring this thing telling everybody about how alicia fucked my boyfriend and stole him so sick that's what it is she also said quote she had sat this she had thought this through, but not nearly enough. She cut off Alicia's fingertips in the hope that it would hinder the identification of the body, but her face was still there. So, yeah, that would be pointless.

So another forensic psychologist, Dr. Ari Kallikstein, he said that Stephanie suffered from methamphetamine addiction and a major depressive disorder at the time of the incident. And she was suffering from PTSD as well. Yeah. So she gave apparently give different aversions. She's this doctor said, well, giving different versions of a traumatic event a few days after the event was consistent with PTSD. Also consistent with fucking lying to get a lesser murder charge. That's also what it's also consistent with fucking lying to get a lesser murder charge that's also what it's consistent with that's every defendant would say well they confessed but then i had such bad ptsd i

confessed and then imagine if every everybody could say that i had ptsd from killing this person so i don't want it to look like i'm manipulative as fuck yeah that's changing your story to make you look better is just because you have ptsd that's changing your story to make you look better just because you have ptsd that's a wow talk about shopping for a diagnosis right there holy shit she found her a doctor he'll just write that prescription know how many oxys you need here you go how bad does it hurt yeah wow uh so yeah he also said it affects the ability of the person to recall or be aware of their surroundings when this, uh, uh, you know, happened, which she was pretty aware of everything. She was cutting fingertips off for Christ's sake. So the trial comes around.

Now she is hoping for a verdict of manslaughter. She wants voluntary manslaughter is what she's looking for. She's trying to say it was a big accident. They got in a fight. I grabbed for this thing and I didn't mean to kill her and we tumbled out and it stabbed her and oh my god uh that's obviously a way less sentence here and the prosecutors are going for the opposite first degree murder with enhancements so it's james she would be an uncle uh yeah the size of her balls oh yeah she's an aunt she's certainly an uncle she's. She's the balliest. She's an aunt and uncle. Both. The balliest bitch ever.

She is ballsy. So, yeah, her whole thing is saying that she panicked. And after she realized what she'd done, she tried to cover up the crime and all that sort of shit. She said that she told investigators what she wanted to hear because she felt guilty about what she had done. Now, at trial, the prosecutor, they alleged that the motive was because it's a long term resentment, not only of jealousy and everything else, but the and the teasing that night. But she also blamed Alicia for breaking up her relationship and sleeping with her boyfriend. So that's the motive that they're pushing in court. So the prosecutor said that she murdered her best friend out of jealousy and resentment and everything else.

Now she testifies for herself here. She's got her whole case. She's saying I killed the person, but it's an accident. So you got to get up there and explain how it's an accident. Make those jurors believe you. Otherwise, it doesn't look very good for you. This isn't going to go well. I would say not. She said that she kept the ammonia and trash bags and rubber gloves in her car.

Like, why did you have all that stuff? And she said, well, I clean houses sometimes. Sometimes I'll do side jobs as a house cleaner. So I keep all that stuff in my car. Seems reasonable. She said she purchased the scraper to scrape lettering off a door at her job that she was working at the time. That's what the scraper was for. Scrape those, you know, decal letters off she said yes of course she said i have argued with

my ex-boyfriend about sleeping with alicia but later on i determined that it wasn't alicia it was a different woman he was sleeping with and you know i felt bad for even accusing alicia that's never that never came up though no it was always alicia alicia alicia absolutely for some we've heard that's when she's on the stand yeah yeah yeah she does bring a woman in to testify and ellen uh jesus hugh kendall wow that's a tough one who is a friend of her of stephanie's grandmother who stephanie lives with she testifies that stephanie cleans her house at times once in a while and when she does she has ammonia and cleaning supplies and gloves which everybody would when they're cleaning a fucking house she said another a co-worker said that their workplace had purchased a new door and the employees removed the door's old lettering

she also said though there were two there were tools on site for this and you didn't have to bring your own thing so they provided that for you So she doesn't know why she would buy a special scraper. She's not a traveling mechanic. No, she doesn't do this for a living. Like scrape fucking decals off of doors. So anyway, she has basically a full day of testimony. Stephanie. Is there a bad day?

Can you imagine that? That stress on that day? Holy shit. They said she barely looked looked up wouldn't make eye contact with anybody and shit like that which the number one thing they always tell you to do is look at the jury right look at them make eye contact don't smile don't smile don't act like oj yeah have you ever seen the where they talk about the oj mock no mock thing because they considered him testifying on his own behalf so they they said, let's see what it looks like.

And he was like fucking flirting with, uh, literally flirting with the person who was supposed to be the prosecutor. Unbelievable. He was like, you know, well, you know how that goes.

And he'd smile. He's trying to charm this person. That ain't going to work. They saw, they asked like two questions and they were like, get him up. Nope, not happening.

Nah, he's, he's incapable of not flirting and shit, so that's not going to happen. When did you last fight with your wife? I don't know. Those are some nice tips. He'd be like, you know. He would say, like, you know what I mean?

He goes, people fight. I mean, you know, relationships. You know how it goes. But, you know, I never did anything that I'd be ashamed of. And he'd, like, smile and, like, kind of half wink. Like, you know how it goes. No, that's not the answer.'s not do that not okay so the phil specter one's just as bad oh he's fucking crazy that's like having michael jackson testify what are you doing i saw the

reenactment of that person's not a capable adult to do this they're like phil you're going to jail you're like how did this guy make things that made millions of dollars? Millions of dollars. He doesn't look capable of going grocery shopping. If you gave him a list with five things on it, how many things do you think he'd actually return with? Maybe two. You know what I mean?

And a couple extra wigs. Yeah. And wigs. I didn't ask for wigs. I said eggs. And just an octopus. I don't know what to do with that, Phil. And dragging a dead blonde by the foot.

Yeah, I have this also. What the fuck, Phil? I had to stop at my house. There's a dead blonde there. I need to check on her. So, yeah, she talked about her childhood and all sorts of drugs growing up and how she had a terrible you know terrible upbringing she testified that they were getting high at the that guy's house she said that you know alicia made comments about stephanie's body and sexual habits she said on the stand

she said that alicia trash talked her she said that uh she told her that she slept with quote a whole bunch of people and looked foul while she did it. Yep. She said that she was just raging about those remarks, and that's what made her mad. She said it was definitely not a methodical preplanned scheme. No, I might have suspected that she had slept with my boyfriend for a minute, but then I found out it was someone else, and we were the closest of friends. Everything was wonderful. Yeah.

She said she drove to the spot. She was just delaying for her grandmother, and that's when she said it was just eating at her she had to bring up the comments that alicia had made that night because it was bothering her and she felt terrible that's when she said she just tried to laugh it off and said it was funny uh she said quote i don't know why she was treating me that way it was just the fact that she was supposed to be my friend heck it was my birthday hack heck you smoke meth say fuck or hell or don't say anything don't say heck after you talked about smoking meth right in the same paragraph of then we smoked a bunch of meth she said heck golly gee it was my birthday

it was my birthday heck it was my birthday he wanted to go down to the chucky cheese and play skeeball so she said that's when she backhanded her uh alicia i should use something there that's when uh stephanie backhanded alicia she alicia or stephanie says in court quote she never suspected i would do it we just started fighting uh she said that she reached for the wallpaper tool that she had got for work. She said, quote, I don't know what I was thinking. I knew I wanted to hurt her. That's what she said.

So the defense attorney said, then what? She said, quote, I was pressing it down on her. She was trying to get me off. She was yelling at me. She said, then they fell out of the passenger door. And the lawyer said, quote, at some point, did Alicia stop struggling? And she said, yes, Stephanie said, yes. And then the lawyer said, afterward some point did alicia stop struggling and she said yes stephanie said yes and then the lawyer said afterward what was going through your mind and she said quote i

was kind of panicked kind of shocked i remembered i remember realizing someone was going to get severely hurt during all that and then she basically tries to say how how you know the motivation was all about the insult that night, and she's so remorseful, and she feels terrible in this accidental thing. And basically, they spent the next two days talking about how remorseful she was. That's a ridiculous claim, though, in the first place,

because have you ever tried to get from a driver's seat to a passenger seat and out the door? Oh, yeah. That is fucking impossible. Unless it's a bench seat. It's still impossible. Unless you have like a like but there was a center console in this car you know what i mean yeah there had to get over that thing yeah right yeah she's pushing down and then they fall out with a girl that's neck is open because there's blood all over the place not

for anything i'm not trying to make any judgments but if she's also a little bit bigger girl has been established by people's insults but it's even harder to maneuver inside of a fucking car like that. So it's difficult. Yeah, the backseat makes way more sense. And especially with the stabby, stabby, stabby, stabby with that handle and cuts. And it's all it all makes sense here. Yeah. She says that they even have notes that the defense brings forth, which are letters she's written to pen pals in prison since she's been in jail, writing of suicidal thoughts and how she just hopes she can be forgiven someday.

And, you know, she's obviously this poor woman. She's haunted. She's haunted. Yeah. She testified that when the detectives first talked to her, they questioned her about being attacked. So she went along with the story because that's what she had told that Paul White, even though it wasn't true.

She said her first confession was also false on the stand because she felt like she was blaming Alicia. If she told deputies the truth and she originally felt she deserved the death penalty. So she wanted it to be as bad as possible. That's how it was. So the prosecutor then tore her a new asshole because you could say all that shit to your attorney then the prosecutor goes

so you're so fucking sweet and kind right let's talk about it he says quote you're coming up with this version of events for a lesser sentence aren't you and she said no uh and then he you know uh he then she then he then found more letters to pen pals. It's funny. Those letters to pen pals, they can be subpoenaed the other way, too. You can subpoena them for your advantage. But guess what? The prosecution is going to do the same thing.

They found different letters to pen pals that weren't so just remorseful and sad. They were showing that only after she learned she wouldn't be eligible for conjugal visits if she received life in prison. That's when she, quote, decided to put up a little bit of a fight in the letters. She was like, yeah, I don't give a fuck if I'm in prison for life. Then she was like, found out I can't fucking here. Can't get no dick with a life sentence. Now I care. Now I care.

Now she wants a lesser sentence. Yeah, that's wild. This is lifetime. A dick she's fighting for here. Oh, boy. Yeah. now she wants a lesser sentence yeah that's wild this is lifetime a dick she's fighting for here oh boy uh yeah and he asked the jurors why should they why should any of you believe for now after she's admitted to lying to every story she's ever told here how many people are allowed that is that anybody that's not got a life sentence they can get con i don't know i have no idea what the rules are but it depends on the it depends on the system the level of security there's a lot of specifics

to that shit it's's got to be. There's conjugal visits. We let people fuck for some reason. That's fucking unbelievable. It's wild, right? They should have to finger and hand fuck the rest of their lives. I feel like that's one of the things that you're... If you said, what are the top five freedoms you're missing?

That's one of them. So it's weird. That should be a deterrent enough not to commit crimes i would i can't fuck forever unless it's somebody i have to fuck somebody unless it's jimmy i don't want to fuck jimmy i like longer hair on a young lady so yeah so this goes to the jury a, much more purpose-built thing for that. That would be helpful. This goes to the jury, and like I said, they can find her guilty of manslaughter.

They can find her guilty of first-degree murder. They can find enhancements in it, too. There's a big range of things that could happen. Anywhere from 20 years to life without the possibility of parole. A lot of range here. The jury comes back guilty of first- murder with the lying and weight enhancement as well they didn't believe her at all she ain't getting no dick i'll tell you that she may never fuck stephanie ain't getting no dick tonight as mousy would say the opposite of in the whites

now she gonna get some dick tonight and she did i love the the caption of mousy went to the room with him yeah and he has not left he hasn't left since he's been trapped since then he didn't even go get his shit from his old fucking from his old apartment four months later he's still there can't leave she's got me trapped so uh they talked to jury members the press did jury foreman said quote i felt the evidence corroborated her initial confession which it does the blood evidence really does or the initial confession of cutting her throat from behind in a premeditated manner uh he said quote her testimony was such that she mumbled she was hard to understand and uh she he also said that he the the jury all thought that she had months to come up with a new story.

So she'd come up with any story she wants in the stand that makes her sound the best here. Another juror said if the killing was spontaneous, that Stephanie should have had defense wounds on her from resisting Alicia. If this was a fight, Alicia didn't reach out and scratch her face. None of that happened. Smack you back no defensive wounds you were in a fight and then the cutting happened and you got perfectly clean and it's not like you were up and you were sticking and moving floating like a butterfly stinging like a bee you're in a fucking car no matter who you fight they're gonna scratch you in a car so you could fight an eight-year-old like we talked about on crime and sports that's maybe the stipulation if it's in a car you gotta fight them all in the car maybe the fourth one it might be number four i

feel like i could fight them easier in a car because i could just gather them and squeeze their little fucking heads together till they pop you'd really have to understand the conversation we don't want any harm to come to eight-year-olds but if this is why i listen to crime and sports harm on me yeah if a team of them are going to come up and try to attack me, these things happen. Listen to crime and sports this week and you'll understand what the hell we're talking about. Was it this week or last? It was this week. Was it?

No, it was Marty Jannetty. It was last week. It was Marty Jannetty. Listen to the Marty Jannetty episode the week before. Yeah. So do that. So, yeah, she said that this looked like that basically Stephanie got Alicia with the element of surprise, is what this juror says. And also they said that her reversal just didn't pass anything.

This lady does sell that. This jury juror says this, which is shady. She says, quote, most people, when they confess, they do tell the truth. Sometimes. Not always. But that's a dangerous thing to think if you put that all in with the evidence and add it up that's one thing who told you that yeah that's just a jury going well i sure go well i wouldn't say i did something i didn't do

uh so you're so wrong the family afterwards uh brandon ernst alicia's brother he says that uh he was in the process of grueling of grueling of of grieving not of grueling different he said that uh about they asked her her about him about stephanie and he said quote she should have pleaded guilty yeah that would have been smart for and uh he also said it's uh that uh you know he's going this is the next step of grieving for the family is this whole trial here. Sentencing comes around. Oh, boy. Family members from both sides are there.

They give all these tearful statements. Now, the prosecutor, the Garen Horst, he's the prosecutor. He is recapping the crime to the jury for this whole thing, just to let it sink in a little more. In the middle of doing this which is his normal thing that a prosecutor would do stephanie screams at him to shut up literally just yells at him to shut up in the middle of his presentation this doesn't this is not normal behavior wow uh apparently wouldn't stop yelling at him to shut up finally obviously the judge is reprimanding her verbally and uh also you know threatening her with I don't know what the fuck you threaten someone who's going to get life in prison with. That's I think she said, shut the fuck up. Fuck you.

You say anything you want at that point. I'm not going anywhere anyway. I'm here. Fuck all of you. I'm getting no dick. No dick for me either way. either way so uh also the judge has to remind stephanie's grandmother when she talks on her on stephanie's behalf to not talk about the trial itself but just give a statement about you know her relation yeah relationship and what she means to her uh stephanie's grandmother janet cross

she said quote this is this is ballsy to say she said quote it could have been the other way around as far as i'm concerned. The drugs did this. If they hadn't been doing drugs, this would have never happened. Oh, Janet. No, no. Way too much to Reagan. Yeah, man. Yeah, she totally.

Yeah. Jesus Christ. Nancy Reagan, by the way. Not even Ronald. Yeah. Nancy. What have you heard, Janet? Yeah, no.

Alicia didn't plan and buy murder weapons and shit and plan out a death. It's a lot different. It's a lot different. I mean, I feel bad. This old lady is just sad that her granddaughter is going to prison and she's on drugs and she doesn't know any better. She's watched this girl grow up and she just thinks that maybe this girl gave such a bad influence on her her whole time that she knew her. She got her doing the drugs and this is all her fault. She's smoking the

crocane, as my grandmother once said. The crocane? Yeah, my grandmother, the Italian grandma, found my aunt, I won't say her name, my aunt, she was a teenager, 16 years old, and she had a weed pipe. Oh, okay. My cousin was visiting and she had a weed pipe and my grandmother found the weed pipe. Weed,

though. Weed pipe. It was a little metal bowl. It was a bowl, Like a little metal weed. She found it. And then it was gone. And they were like, oh, my God. I hope your mom didn't find it. And she comes in screaming, Maya's smoking the crocane. Smoking the croc.

So then they're stoned and laughing their asses off. Because that's not how you say it. And we're not doing that. And that's not what we're doing. Yeah. Because they're like, oh, you mean cocaine. And she's like you're doing that too it was bad oh my god forever i would be i'd want to go smoke some cocaine smoke the cocaine i tell my aunt that shit all the time you've been smoking cocaine what are you doing over here this happened before i was born i was

two years old or something. So then her grandmother, Stephanie's grandmother, expressed her anger that Stephanie's good side wasn't shown more to the jury. Not just I think she's good. I'm mad that they on purpose didn't say all the nice things

about my granddaughter that they should have said. She's very sweet. She helped me make brownies when she was nine and they came out delicious. It's your time to shine. Let us hear it let's go because all we know is this one really horrible side of her yeah no shit stephanie's mother also spoke she said quote this just goes to show how things

can happen i feel sad for the other family but we both lost our daughters one's dead and one's still dying inside oh boy that's some balls yeah i gotta be honest with you that's some fucking balls uh but the last word is had by alicia's mom uh she gets the last word and she says that alicia quote was my best friend i loved her with all my heart then she turned to stephanie oh boy and unleashed some fucking vitriol you allowed to do that shit yeah you can you can look right at them look right at them and tell them that they're a piece of shit. Sweet Jesus. Hell yeah.

That's the point of this. That's the whole thing is to let them tell this motherfucker that he's a piece of shit or say whatever they want. That seems a bit. It's amazing. It's great. It's like, no, we did a whole trial. We found that.

We've deemed you an asshole. Now sit down and let everyone tell you what the fuck kind of an asshole you are and what your assholery has done to them that's what it is and you sit there it's crazy it's a crazy thing everyone that i've seen they just like stand with their back to the person and say it to a judge but they're saying it to the whole court yeah yeah no no and then the one that i've ever seen where they said it sometimes they do it from the stand yeah too and they'll have the whole scene the black lady seen the black lady stand up and scream, and I hate you, Jeffrey, I hate you. There's that. Jeffrey Dahmer.

I'm like, that's a bit much. And then they, like, walk her ass out. The coach guy who, what's his name? Sandusky? No, Larry, the coach. No, not Larry. Yes, Shanahan. Belichick.

So, the guy who, the. Larry Nassar. There you go. That guy. How did I just do that? The live PD footage, the court cam of that one girl's father going after him. That's right. I do remember that.

They show person after person go up and go, you piece of shit. You ruined my fucking life. I hate you. You scumbag. I hope you die. Oh, those are the girls. The girls went up one after another. I fucking gave it to him.

And then they asked the father made his statement because he's a victim's father. And his statement was, Your Honor, I respectfully request five minutes with this gentleman. That's all I want. That's all I want. And he goes, she's like, I understand how you feel. Obviously, I can't do that. He goes, one minute. One minute.

Give me one minute. And he's just look at us. Just give me one minute he goes you're on listen he goes your honor i think you owe me that that's what he said like i think and everyone's like clearly we do everyone would love to turn your their back for one minute and let you just blow this because this was a big he was a big like union carpenter looking motherfucker that could have he's been in bar fights and shit this guy you could tell he would have blown this dude's head up with one fucking punch your honor five minutes alone with this guy i can't do that all right 80 off 10 minutes only what is that one minute one minute let's go let's go so he goes okay okay and then just fucking went for him and like lunged him while like five deputies tackled

him and they're like dude sorry like you could tell they're like we so want to let you kill this guy we want to and now we have to arrest arrest oh it sucks you're gonna be convicted of contempt no they actually trying to kill this man they actually show they get them under control and they bring them back and the judge says you know obviously i could this this and this she goes i'm not charging you with anything because i all of anyone in this court could understand apparently that he had heard a bunch of details that no one ever told him before that day that he did to his daughters. Right. They said, based on what you heard that day, anybody would have done what you've done.

And it's cool. We get it. It's cool, bro. Like, he could have got to him. Please leave. You know, he must have been like, so if I would have hit him, I would have got away with it. I could have got away with it. I could have fucking killed this guy.

I think if he would have got to him, then they would have had to charge him with something. How do you not just go oh he's attacking him okay go now like just give him now and just give it like a put your finger up to the guard count for three or four then when you hear when you hear bone on bone then we'll go over he'll be able to hit him a few more times as we go but wait till you hear the bone on bone every deputy in the room should have hesitated that's what i'm saying they they attacked that's their job i guess so this the mother turns to stephanie and says quote i wish you would have just cut your own throat and left alicia alone as far as i'm concerned you're cancer stephanie like aids you just spread ugliness wherever you go.

Like AIDS. You're cancer and AIDS. Holy shit. You're the most cancerous AIDS I've ever seen. That's a lot. Yeah. You're cancerous AIDS. My God.

Get your cancerous AIDS away from me. Slit your cancer-y AIDS-y fucking throat. She said, you're like cancer, Stephanie, like AIDS. You just spread ugliness wherever you go. You must diehanie and i don't care how just die and that's her statement that's fucking awesome i wish i wish my mom would say shit like that right anybody wronged me die and then the judge says you ma'am yeah may fuck off uh sentenced first to 25 years to life without the possibility of parole but yeah with the lying in wait enhancement there the special allegation that brings it up to life in prison plus one year without the possibility of parole my fuck life plus one year just to let you know

that you're not getting dick that much more ever ever ever ever ever not getting dick and one more year of no dick plus on top of that sorry so she's gone she got literally forever and a day forever and a year and a year not even a day uh the her brother alicia's brother brandon said that he was relieved and pleased by the verdict he said we're relieved that it's over justice has been served alicia's mother said the the verdict won He said, we're relieved that it's over. Justice has been served. Alicia's mother said, the verdict won't bring my daughter back, but at least we know that Stephanie

won't be able to hurt anybody else. By the way, while in jail, she receives another letter from her old boyfriend saying that, obviously, shock that she did this after hearing the details, and said that, I barely knew Alicia. You did this for nothing absolutely nothing just to let you know yeah you fucking blew it if this is the reason if that's the reason

and we never touched her pretty much uh quickly she appeals in 2015 she appeals a bunch but 2015 she gets her main appeal it's based on first of all that the detective testified he said he didn't believe part of her confession but he testified to believing some of her confession so they're saying that the detective was misleading and his whole thing is no you look at the totality of it and you can be lying about some things and telling the truth about the other that's why you have evidence that you compare it against and you say well i think she's telling the truth about this because that's what the evidence says whereas this evidence says here she's lying robert blake did say his telling the truth about this because that's what the evidence says, whereas this evidence says he or she's lying. Robert Blake did say his name is Robert Blake.

That's what I mean. I believe it. Nicole knew OJ's name. He knew his face. She knew what kind of Bruno Magli shoes and what kind of gloves he wore. I believe that. And what kind of kitchenware he had in his kitchen,

probably as well. So, yeah, so this is, that's a silly a silly one also there's a brady claim she claims and brady is when you're saying that the prosecution has held exculpatory evidence from you because you're supposed to disclose everything that's saying that you had some shit that was advantageous to you and the prosecution held it back on purpose to fuck you now she she contends that the prosecution suppressed toxicology reports that would have helped in her defense saying that she was you know had meth in her system and all this sort of shit uh but it doesn't really matter because it was premeditated is what they're

saying so they're like that's kind of a moot point honestly and also ineffective assistance of counsel obviously because the trial counsel failed to investigate the present and present evidence of her diminished capacity and she also you know obviously clearly and then also finally she claims that they didn't pay attention enough to the crime of passion aspect of this not so much crime of passion that's more of a european law thing but provocation there is a law for provocation there if you're you know sufficiently provoked that it's a more of a manslaughter thing like if someone told you if you just heard that this guy did all sorts of terrible sexual things to your daughter and you jumped across and snapped

his neck they'd go fucking provocation right provocation manslaughter you know what i mean you're getting seven years or some shit but uh she says that, yeah, they didn't they didn't they didn't properly take into account that she called her a little bit fat earlier. So, I mean, clearly that's reason to murder. That's provocation. So they go into it. And basically the court says you don't get to decide. You don't get to make up your own world of of like consequences for things like provocation would be what a normal reasonable person would be consider provocation they hurt your kid they hurt your wife they did something you're scared

for your life not fucking i'm mad at her because she called me a name that's building your own like imaginary justice system in your mind and you can't do that uh so guess what appeal denied eat dicks still in jail and will be yeah she's got a long time because right now that was 25. So she's like 36 years old right now. She's my age. Yeah, she's my age. She's done. You're not 36, motherfucker.

39. Yeah. She's my age. That's not close to that. That's three years. You said that's my age. That's like close by. That's not my point.

Close to it. We're the same age. Try to make yourself 36. Fuck out of here with that shit. I'm not 40 yet. You tried to slip that shit in there. I'm not 40 yet. That's my age.. Close to it. We're the same age. Try to make yourself 36. Fuck out of here with that shit. I'm not 40 yet. You tried to slip that shit in there. I'm not 40 yet. That's my age.

Like nobody would notice. 35 is my age. James, I'm 33 years old. I don't understand the problem here. My point is that everything that shaped her growing up shaped me growing up. That's my age. My point is, a guy like me in my mid-20s, the way I think about this is different than a way the guy like you in your late 50s might think about it, obviously.

Listen, I stay up late playing Halo. I fucking love it. Like people my age. Close enough. Close enough. Like the 13-year-olds my age. No shit. That's amazing. Roughly No shit. That's amazing.

Roughly my age. That's awesome. Go on. The court states on that one, it's not enough that the defendant was simply provoked. The defendant's not allowed to set up her own standard of conduct, which I thought was just great. Not allowed to just make shit up. Now, I found several different places where you might be able to find Stephanie.

One, if you want to write to find stephanie one if you want to write to her to play your own prisoner dating game is she on it uh stephanie aaron's wa 3629 uh this one is central california women's facility 23370 road 22 in chowchilla which is where a lot of our there's a lot of sally mcneil's in there kelly ryan was no she was in vegas sally mcneil was in Shalchilla. Who the hell else? There was a couple others that were there. There were some of the girls from the fucking Manson family there, too.

That's right. They were there, too. And then I found, though, on another one, this is more current. So I think this might be more current. Inmate, still WA3629. But now she's in the Elmwood correctional women's facility in mill uh mill pittis mill pittis california i don't know uh there's that either way though she's got it better than alicia who is uh jesus who is in uh she is buried in uh roseville here uh in the or i'm sorry

citrus heights in sacramento county across the border by antelope at the uh sylvan cemetery there so uh she's there and a couple of they're not a lot but a couple of uh it wasn't a whole lot in the book there was a book about different crimes and uh a couple of details came out of this book called jealous rage an anthology of true crime so i'm gonna credit them just on a couple of things but not all that much well don't let it don't read it's not that great but uh listen to this instead what a fucking horrible story that's the story that is antelope california and uh roseville and a mess and a rare female on female murder that has nothing to do with i want the baby from your womb right that's the reason that's a real bad that's when they women kill women or to take their baby or something like that's real bad i always

feel like that's like that. I don't know what happened, but some. Oh, that's a misfire. The biological clock, like a fucking spring broke and the second hand's going a mile a minute. That's the alarm went off and somebody woke up and chucked it against the wall. And the sprinklers came on and shit's going bad there. So there is that. Hope you enjoyed that.

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allowed to do them god damn it you won't be able to keep us away james was the motive for this that she called her fat and that she ugly fucks no her the motive for this was that she thought she fucked her boyfriend and made her dump her right made him dump and then and then and then fucked her another boyfriend that another ex-boyfriend in front of her and made her jealous while calling her names okay and did a bunch of meth which probably will amp anything up to an extreme she's just sick she's got fucking problems this bro if you if you yeah she's she's out my god she's out there and then all the psychologists said she's got all sorts of weird. She checks all the boxes. Personality disorders and shit like that. But of mental health.

Definitely. Yeah. She's a fucking. She's a disaster. Anyway. So anyway, that was I. No, no. You're all right.

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That's a different person. Janine Fennell. Fennell. Craig Cole. Catherine Gorday. Rebecca Trap. And that's that's them. That's all of them.

That's the first ones. That's the others. Listen, other producers this week are Graham Wilson, Daniel Davis, Georgia Bowers, Taley Robinson, Matthew, no, Molly. Sorry, Marthie. Molly Armstrong, Robin Owens, Emily Christian, Amanda Knight, Alexander Sudkopf, Nicole Vaughn, Susanna Platt, Dan McPherson, Kyle Alexander, Amanda Taylor, Rachel Freeburn, Samantha Simmons, Megan O'Hearn, Alana Roberts, Ariel Childress, Elizabeth Goldstein, Lauren Smith, Amanda Miller, Brooke Kale, Ashley Dawn, Ashley Baldwin, Joshua Austin, Liz Vasquez, Dirk Barnert, Dirk Barnert Nelson, Shannon Lafferty, what is that, Brian Maddox, no, it's not, but the worst scoop is who he is.

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Yes. Someone says Patrick Mahomes. Patrick Mahomes. Right. And I called him Patricia. Completely on accident, but also deal with that. Whatever. They got a fucking Super Bowl.

Melissa Boutron. Lala. Elizabeth Moore. No. Yeah. More. Ty Triga. accident but also deal with that um whatever they got a fucking super bowl melissa butron lala elizabeth moore no yeah more uh ty trigger dylan stafford alicia rains larissa harris beavis no that's bees bees mama bays mama carlton clark uh holla mckayla harman ashley ann cooper amanda Kayla Harmon, Ashley Ann Cooper, Amanda Sartain, Dan Hendricks, Katie Fausula, I think, Fasula, Lisa Newman, or Neiman, it's spelled like Neiman Marcus, Cody Holgate, Joe Parsons Daily, Shane Benner, Nicole Alfino, I think, Haley Mager, almost there, we're getting close, Almost there. We're getting close. Philip Carruthers, Jason, no, it's Joshua Jean, Randy with no last name, Jacqueline, Nathan Pickin, Butterfly Girl, George Wilson, Zachary Pfeiffer, Pepper Kosar, Sarah Young, Adrian Bloss, Jennifer Gibson, no, Kevin Benedotti, Patrick Murphy, Tommy, no, it's Tammy, Russell Rothwell, fuck, Shelby Amato, Rothwell, fuck, Shelby Amato, Thomas John Strupp Thompson, Brad Harris, Ryan Tini, Grace Bowman, Amy Woodruff, Lee Malone, Tony M.F. Cirella, Tom Chureman, Sarah Ireland, Paul Parker, Tyler Garner, Ashley with no last name, Jamie

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Charlie Mosey, Jennifer Lauren, Candace Corey, Bethany McGee, Rory Callahan, Bonnie Hunt, George Grass, Mike Stein, Hope McPherson, Frank, Frank John Edward Holmes. That's too many names. Wow. Patrick Stiba, Amy and Nathan Dierk, Dierk, Dierky. I think it's Dierky uh that's that's not it either fuck cynthia skvarch uh hey jimmy yeah you're doing great no you're doing fucking great man just you know what i'm doing fantastic pal i'm gonna tell you something right now somebody

emailed me and goes hey when you read my name you read it wrong but look i picked this name and then sent me their name again they're like can you say it again i'm like i'll give it a i'll give it another world it was like adam clark or something i think i called him steve i love it nathan salvatore uh carver carver coruscanti uh holly and jalen john monk uh kim eschenbach which is never mind. Amy Hilliard, Lance Troutman, Casey Marzari, Martina, with no last name, Derek, what is that? Aishan, CJ Richards, Brandy Johnson, Derek Pacheco, Jonathan Mapes, Lauren Besser, Christina Nunez DeLucas, Robert, Robert Kennedy, probably not.

I think he's dead, right? Well, one of them is. Right. Amanda Zamora, Bailey and Jan Proudly, A.J. Stewart, K.J. Lysot, Steve Penny, Jamie with no last name, Lisa Schult, Taylor Bean, Key Lawrence, Julianne Pierce, Emily D.C., Calvin Tremblay, John Burroughs, Robert Smith, Marissa Summers, Justin Kern, Charles Hayat, Aaron Hendry, Scott Williams, Tracy Warrobe, Babsy Marie, Anna Ziblick, Debra Cobb, Ada Sukari, Alma Gonzalez, Morgan Doerr, John Collins, Tracy Poets, Amber Elizabeth, Mary Jo Adcock, Wesley Sikich, Stephanie Bush, Marcus Johnson, Quill Murphy, Darlene R. James, Jennifer McGee, Corbin with no last name, Nate Fleck, Yvonne Gordon, Christy Edwards, Joshua Haren Elton. No, it's Harrington. What?

Lawrence with no last name. Sammy. No, it's Sam Rydetti. Rydelli. Rydell. Tim Rowe. Kira. I wrote this.

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Vatz. No. What is it? Sachin Vatz? Last week I said somebody was fucking me. There's actually a dude named Manmeet, and I feel like an asshole. Karen Vaughn, Luella Harris, Micah Boddy, Karen Vaughn, Luella, no, Soenna Harris, Michael, no, it's Kimberly.

See? Eric Rhodes Thomas with no last name, Arlene Bagwell, Soena Harris. Michael? No, it's Kimberly. See? Eric Rhodes. Tom was no last name. Arlene Bagwell. Kimberly Stowe. Dylan Maggard. Tommy Solis. Wayne Blunk. Giovanni Vargas. Luke Loperfido. Craig Bosset.

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He messaged me whenever we do wrestling once he's so jacked about it. Robert Stewart, James with no last name, Joanne Begley, Mark Trudeau. Sarah Dulcich. Sarah Beth Gringtree. I said that. Andrew. No, it's Andrew Crenshaw. Crystal Fredette. Lindsay Cornish. Last ones.

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next week everybody damn it did it again see that was the right one see I messed up the ending on gun crime and sports and I won't even cut it out because I'm gonna make myself look stupid right

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