Small Town Murder - #169 - A Brutal, Silly & Victimless Murder in Layland, West Virginia

Episode Date: April 30, 2020

This week, in Layland, West Virginia, police come upon a dead man, dangling by one foot, off of a local bridge, while people are observed fleeing the scene. How that man got there is one of the craziest stories ever told. A tale of violence, anger, untold stupidity, and little remorse. Then again, there are some people that make it awfully hard to feel sorry for. This one is absolutely nuts! It's a family affair! Along the way, we find out that coal mines might not be the safest thing, that children are bad at helping dispose of bodies, and some people might actually deserve to be murdered! Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman New episodes every Thursday! Donate at: patreon.com/crimeinsports or go to paypal.com & use our email: [e-mail] Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder & Crime In Sports! Follow us on... twitter.com/@murdersmall facebook.com/smalltownpod instagram.com/smalltownmurder Also, check out James & Jimmie's other show, Crime In Sports! On iTunes, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts# See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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hello everybody and welcome back to small town murder yay yay indeed jimmy yay indeed my name is james petra gallo i'm here with my co-host i am jimmy wissman thank you folks so much for joining us today we have got this is one of the craziest episodes we've ever done by far. I'm telling you, the story is bonkers. If this was in a movie, it would have to be a comedy. You would hear like, boing, like sound effects. It's that insane. It's crazy. Wait till you get to it.

Is it eight heads in a duffel bag? Is that? Oh, it's sillier than that. It's sillier than that. It's insane. It's West Virginia Hilltop Justice. It's insane. So we'll get to we'll get to it don't worry about that first very quickly just a couple of things off the top thank you for your reviews this week apple podcast that purple icon is the place to go if you have not done that yet please give us five stars say something on there doesn't matter what

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Everybody. Or worse. Or worse. Or worse. That's the thing. You never know. You never, never know. Quick disclaimer.

This is a comedy show. This is a comedy podcast. We're comedians. We're going to talk about murder. We're not going to lie. We're going to talk about murder. Crazy stuff's going to happen. And we're going to make jokes about a lot of things around that.

We really are, because there's a lot of crazy stuff that happens, especially in the hills of West Virginia, like we are here this week. So we're going to do that. What we're going to go out of our way to do, though, is we're going to try not to make fun of the victim or the victim's family because we're assholes, but we're not scumbags. Now you have it. And now you have it. This week, a little different, though.

We're going to make fun of the victim. You'll see why. Don't worry about it. It's worth it. And now you have it. This week, a little different, though. We're going to make fun of the victim. You'll see why. Don't worry about it. It's worth it. Don't worry about it. Trust us. Just trust us. We're not bad people.

We're assholes, not scumbags. Remember that. So now that you know that, that's great. If you think comedy and true crime should never go together ever, just no jokes around death, then this probably isn't for you. There's plenty of stuff that you'll like out there, but we're probably not one of them. So you can go away. Thank you. Good luck good luck finding everybody wave at those people as they leave for the rest of you who are hanging out sitting there wanting to get back out into the world

let's go scare the shit out of your pets yeah scream in the middle of your living room make your kids run for the hills make them worry shut up and give me murder let's go on a trip jimmy okay people's kids going my big mom's lost it. She's had enough of this place. I think dad is, he might have snapped. Kids looking at each other going, did we do that to her? I think we broke mom. Mom and dad are both going down.

Yeah, they both screamed, shut up and give me murder. There's a problem here. Well, we're going on a trip. We went from England last week, which everybody is very, you know, we think of it as very hoity-toity we were in sort of a west virginia-ish area of england which people in the u.s are like we're like that exists right oh my god that's people that are here that have been there all confirmed it is indeed that and everybody yeah people from england were tweeting at us all week oh you nailed it what it's a yeah it's all trash there jordan and simon have been there a bunch of times yeah

and they said it's horrible that's terrible well we're going to the american version of that okay let's do it america's taint leyland west virginia all right oh west virginia west we've had some good stories from west virginia always some of the craziest this story i will say people say why do you do the town stuff at the beginning because of this yeah we you have to set the stage of where this is to understand what's happening in this scenario. West Virginia's got a good reputation for this. Oh, it's... But somehow Florida out West Virginia's them and keeps it all under the radar.

Because there's more people. Nobody goes to West Virginia unless they have a desire to mine for coal. No one's ever moved to West Virginia on a whim, whereas people just go to Florida because it's warm. So West Virginia, you're born there. There's people in Florida and it shocks them, that behavior. Yeah. Oh, my.

Jesus. Jesus Christ. This behavior this week, where this is, the wild and wonderful whites of West Virginia would go, oh, that's hill trash. You don't go near those people. They would look down on what's going on here people shouting in the drive-thru about she lost her baby her yeah cps took her baby it's not she lost i mean she lost it she's crying took it her no she knows where it is with cps she's not allowed to have it no but this is

leyland west virginia it's in southeastern West Virginia, kind of right in the middle of a pan there. And just the mountains. This is in the hills, man. This is hill area. There's no, oh boy, this is scary. Like the lowlands people see people coming from the hills from here. They're like, oh boy. They're coming.

Bring the kids inside. They're coming from the hills. It's about. Do you see the dust? Oh boy, they're moving. Here comes granny sitting on top... Do you see the dust? Oh, boy. They're moving. Here comes Granny sitting on top in a rocking chair. I'm serious, man. This is two hours and 25 minutes to Roanoke, Virginia, down to the southeast.

About five hours up to Cincinnati, if you want to go to the northwest. And about an hour and a half to Dunbar, West Virginia, which is our last episode, episode 112, which was all the way back in March of last year. Really? So over a year ago. Yep. This is in Fayette County, West Virginia, which is our last episode, episode 112, which was all the way back in March of last year. Really? So over a year ago. Yep. This is in Fayette County, West Virginia. Zip code 25864. Area code 304.

2,400 feet of elevation. My word. Here. Which on the East Coast, that's about as big as it gets. It's not the Rockies. So this is the hills, man. This is the tip of the top of the hill is where they live. It's an area that's known as a hilltop something.

It's a region. Ridiculous. Is that the Appalachians? Oh, yeah. This is the Appalachians here. Motto here. Town motto. That's not coal dust in your lungs.

That's home. So, I don't know. They're bringing people in, I think, with that one. Coughing up all that home. Coughing up chunks of home every day. Those black chunks, that's to remind you of home. Wherever you go, you're going to go, brought a little West Virginia with me. Perfect.

Gross. So Fayette County was among the 50 counties which Virginia lost when West Virginia was admitted to the Union in 1863 during the Civil War. Got it. So when they split up, this was one of the counties that was part of Virginia. They took some from Kentucky, some from Virginia, that sort of thing here. Now, a little history, just one incident really we'll talk about. On March 2, 1915, in the morning, coal dust ignited, which has happened many times, and Leyland Mine No. 3 exploded, killing 112 people. My fuck.

112 men and leaving dozens of people trapped underground for days. That's the stuff that ignites it, huh? It's the dust in the air? It's the dust and all sorts of shit, but coal dust was the culprit on this particular day. Oh, Lord. all sorts of shit but coal dust was the culprit on this particular day uh yeah there's a bunch of people tried to you know go in and rescue people and they they didn't have the equipment they have now in 1915 you got poles and ropes that's the thing so they were able to penetrate gas gases poor you know gas everywhere in parts of the mine and detect some danger here and there uh it's it's

really it's what happened was nuts man these people were trapped in there and uh the weird thing is the damage to the mine wasn't that big and they were like oh we'll get it up and running in a couple weeks again they was up and running in a couple weeks and making these people go back to oh yeah they just pull the corpses out get that thing back up and running and push them this is back in the days of company script you didn't get paid guys we got your new canary new canary. New canary. That's it. His name's Bob.

Here he is. He's got a mustache. A little younger. He's 43 years old. How you doing? I'm going to go down in there now. So this is the days. They didn't even pay in money back then.

So they didn't give a shit about. You think coal companies don't care about employees now, which I mean, even if you're a coal employee. People who are coal employees, they know what's going on. They're not. People think, oh, they're stupid working in the mines. No, they know what they're doing. They know what they're doing is dangerous.

They know it sucks. They know they're not giving a shit about it. It's just nowhere else in that region can you make $70,000 a year doing anything. That's it. It's either that or you're poor and you're on welfare. That's a crazy check. That's it. You're like the whites. One of the two ways of doing it so they work and do what they do what

they have to do because the only other option is to leave and if your whole family's there and your whole roots are there and you're poor and you can't leave and you stay there and you work in the mine and eventually you explode what a wild story man it's fucking crazy we haven't even got to the murder yet i mean the big danger is hitting a methane pocket or coal dust i guess huh yeah but i mean people are smoking they just don't give a shit about themselves obviously so they're just there's a fatalism that goes on there where it's like well i could die any day in the mine it's the same fatalism that fucking baltimore drug dealers have i don't know why it's the same thing it's but you're also like slapping it's all in the game yeah an explosion is the same as getting picked up for trafficking it's all in the game but you're slapping a pickaxe

against a rock and who knows if you hit something that sparks yeah then it's over and you say and that's what they do too they're there they have the same exact attitude as omar it's just it's all in the game that's it i mean that's you you've you did it and i'm here and i'm doing it and hey unbelievable it's it's a crazy way to live. Now, after 96 hours after the explosion, they were still trying to pull people out of there, and apparently five foreigners came bursting out of the mine. Five foreign mine workers came bursting out. They had cloths over their face and were running out of the mine.

They'd been burned? Yeah, basically, they were, you know, I can't breathe and all that sort of thing. And people were, you know, absolutely blown away by this. And they told, they came out and said, there's 42 more live people here coming behind us. So brace yourselves, basically, here. It's going to get real ugly up here. Yeah, it's going to get ugly. You're going to see some people.

You're going to see some things you don't want to see. That's the thing here. There was people that were injured by the shock of the explosion there's people that are you know injured by the smoke there's people that are injured by coal dust it's it's everything man so rocks rocks falling yeah all sorts of shit going on here the uh a lot of them became also kind of went crazy that were stuck down there they were you know yeah they didn't have uh they they found uh they were starving down there people were uh chewing their shoe tops and and bark from mine timbers shit like that they had doing that last weekend stuck in my house that's what happens sometimes i chew my shoe tops a lot like oh there's nothing well my shoes look good my adidas taste i'm gonna say these pumas taste pretty good i'm gonna say the puma

suede if you're upset that you're stuck in your house it could be much worse holy shit at least you're not in a mind that fucking exploded an exploded mine next to corpses of your co-workers waiting to be rest quote rescued so you can live in west virgin more. Right. That's the reward for being rescued. Welcome back. More West Virginia. Fuck. Going back in tomorrow? Okay, see you at six.

That's why they keep going back. They keep going back. So 47 men in all were saved here, and it's wild. Some people actually did a good job of saving people by kind of, they made paths so things wouldn't collapse. And so these guys actually ended up getting out based on that. So they did the best they could without the equipment that would be helpful here.

Two bodies had been buried as they were. My God, trying to bury these people as they pull them out. A lot of these people were exploded so they didn't have it's not like they could DNA test people so they had to kind of mix and match like, hey hey Bonnie, I got this body. Think it might be your husband's. Think this head goes with it or

what? Hold on, get your kids in here. See if they, is this daddy's head? Susie, is this daddy's head? Here's the thing they wear uniforms so the body looks the same did your husband by chance have one size eight foot and one size 12 or these two people that's fucking hilarious one lady they basically told her her husband was dead yeah and she didn't believe it so she wouldn't even prepare for a funeral and then he crawled out of the mine oh my god that's awesome and he changed his name

yeah he was like no he ran away into the night he changed his identity yeah said finally i'm away from that bitch and he ran away no that's not what happened now of the bodies of a bunch of the foreigners were a lot of money uh they're the they would keep their money on them like they didn't have banks well there was banks but if you were from another country a lot of times you didn't believe in banks especially italian immigrants which most of these guys were back then at this point in time as we were the newest so we're in the coal mines like i said it's it's check your pot of your pockets for pasta and they go hey he's he's nice

and greasy we'll stick him right in the hole we don't even have to have a big hole the sticky slides right in there look at him there he goes all right luigi come back with some coal for us give him this script debit card yeah no shit several had over a hundred dollars in gold and uh hidden on them wow just like their life savings they would have that's a shitload of gold but this was their life savings this would have that's a shitload of gold but this was their life savings this was like they send this back home they bring rel they're saving it to bring people over this is what they would do back this is what my relatives would do they'd save to bring people over like in a bar of gold in his underwear yeah they'd have garters like

really yeah like oh it's like okay like a leg pouch yeah basically like that zipper bag one uh was supposed to have uh one that they all knew had $1,500 on them. When he was searched, he ended up having nothing. So somebody stole his money off a corpse. Yeah. So, yeah, they said that he must have hidden it away somewhere and never found it. Or somebody stole it. Possibly.

What a likely story. Yeah. Most of them were foreigners and they were members of the catholic church so they were that made it a little bit easier to identify as they could take them to the church and go these belong to you yeah yeah that was kind of one of those in the plate before yeah these guys you see them they come over here put a little pasta put a little cavatappi in the plate is that what they do now there's people here uh that they interviewed later on because they had a thing a hundred years

later about the you know ceremony for it in west virginia in 2015 a woman said that her mom had heard the blast from her house and said that caskets were lined up at the foot of the mountain basically and uh you know that's your mom could remember that and so they built like memorials and things like that for these people but it was uh it was crazy uh one guy here says really until we started bringing it to light nobody ever talked about it it was already a forgotten thing this wasn't even like a like the legend of the town like they just forgot about oh yeah those people died no problem it's it's wild man um so uh one guy quote, I can remember guys getting killed and shipped out of the mines. It seemed like word just ran through the mines when somebody got killed.

It was a pretty common thing back then. They didn't have the safety regulations that they have now. A lot of lessons we learned from this accident have saved lives from then until now. And this was the largest mine disaster in Fayette County history. And this is all this town does. The county. This is all this county does is coal mining, too. So if it's the biggest, it's the biggest.

It's like a school shooting is today where there's so many, you just don't even think about them anymore. No. Here's a guy that worked from 1948 to 52 in the mines, and he said it wasn't much safer when I worked. He said, quote, I was in there late and I started coming out with a load of coal and a rock fell right in front of me. If I would have been two seconds later, I would have been under it.

So it was a big one. I'm talking about like a fucking rock. He's talking about Boulder. Right. Like that would fall on fucking Wiley Coyote in an attempt to kill the roadrunner. Split your head open. Yeah. Take a leg.

I'll just smush you down flat. Right. And then you crawl away and then pop up again and go meet me. Put a thumb in your mouth and blow. That's how it works. People in this town. 307 doomed souls in this area. Yeah.

There is nothing around here, man. It is. And they're just spread out throughout the hills, man. Just dink, dink, dink here and there. It is bleak. It's up 100% since 1990, but down 41% since 2000. So people have decided to leave. It's 63% male.

With little people, you're going to get stats out of whack. And that kind of employment around there is going to be majority men. Yep. 47 is the median age. It's about 10 years older than normal. 35% of the people are between 45 and 54. Coal workers. That's it.

It's usually only 13 and they have zero percent or 85 and older you are not going to live that long around here my expectancy is low yeah it is what it is yeah that's you're not going to live forever either die in the coal mine or you die from whatever the coal mine produced produced to you uh 82 of the people here are married so that's way out of whack as well. What? It's an older crowd, and I don't know why. Do some of those dudes share wives? Because that number doesn't seem like it makes sense. I don't have any idea how that works, man.

That means every woman is married. Yeah, probably. Probably. And some of them have two husbands? No, you don't add numbers up like that. 80% are married. Yeah. And let's see.

Never mind. Yeah, there's enough for 80% to be that. 80% are married. Yeah. And let's see. Never mind. Yeah, there's enough for 80% to be married. 64% are men? There's only 63% are men. Okay. So yeah, 63% can match up with... It's fine. Okay, yeah, it is.

Yeah, they'll be married. Wait, that makes 37% women. And if 80% are married, that means that you have... That's 40 men, 40 women. Well, I guess there's gay marriage, too. Yeah. Who the fuck knows? It's West Virginia. I don't think that's going to 40 women well i guess there's gay marriage too yeah who'd fuck it's west virginia i don't think that's going to be on the surface let's be realistic somebody's married to the fucking canary in the mind too probably around here we just love marriage that's all it is here uh just marriage i swear i was on to something

there yeah i was like no i don't think so with no children, 0.0%. Get down and party, everybody. Not a lot going on there. Race of this town, 100% white. That is wild. Just all white. That's the first time. Speckled through the hills. There it is.

There it is. We found it. We found it. The all white town in the hills. West Virginia. Whoa, and it's not surprising. 32.7% of the people here are religious. I don't know if coal is a religion or not, like we've said before about West Virginia. Whoa, and it's not surprising. 32.7% of the people here are religious. I don't know if coal is a religion or not, like we've said before about West Virginia,

but that's pretty low. And I think they're just like, God ain't going to save me in the coal mine. There ain't no God in the coal mine. If there was one, I wouldn't be down there. I think there's a Jamie Johnson song that he saw the devil in a coal mine, which that's the only thing you're finding there. That makes sense. The majority, the highest group is the Baptists here.

Baptists are the Catholics of the hill people. Yeah. I don't know. 0.0% Jewish. They're like, I don't think so. No. No, no, no, no. No, no.

It ain't there anymore. No. I wonder if mesothelioma is a religion. You think? If it is, I think if mesothelioma is a religion. You think? If it is, I think that number is going to go up significantly. It'll be more like 80%. So this town, politically, about 28% Democrat, about 67% Republican in the last election. It's the way West Virginia always is.

Unemployment rate about 5.2% compared to the rest of the country, which was under four. That's not bad in comparison. No, but it's higher than the rest of the country. But the income is interesting here. The median household income here is $36,354, which is over $20,000 less than the national average, which is way low. But the way it works, it's basically you make nothing or something. 25% of the people make under $15,000 a year. And 37% of the people make $75,000 to $100,000 a year, which is apparently what coal mining pays.

And then the rest of the people, I assume 25% under $15,000 is what welfare pays. So you're probably or some sort of social assistance program. So I think that's pretty much all it is there when you look at everything else is minimal. Now, cost of living here is about, it's low. It's going to be low. 100 is regular average par.

Here it is 76. So it's a little bit low. And housing is the thing that's driving it down. Because, I mean, it's not exactly a hot real estate market around here. Is the real estate a 12? okay out of 100 yeah median home cost here 96 300 slice of heaven yeah 231 in the rest of the country so you're getting homes for under 100 000 is the average that's it's wild you're in a low income area and you're in a rough area here the houses 25 percent

of the houses are worth between 20 and 40 thousand dollars okay those are trailers everybody's not a house and then 50 are worth between 100 and 150 thousand dollars so it's it's there's a there's a clear discrepancy yeah there's a discrepancy they're the sort of have a little bit and then they have nothings is how it works here there's have nothing and then you had a chance and then yeah have nothing and have a job in the coal mine those are the two things so if we've convinced you you know what you're gonna steal yourself up you've been breathing air cleanly for way too long now you want to get into a mine we have for you the leyland west virginia real estate report Virginia Real Estate Report.

Your average two-bedroom rental here is about $670 a month, which seems high. Yeah. I'm not paying for that. That $90,000 mortgage is cheaper. Well, let's find out what we got here. I found a two-bedroom, one-bath, 1,008-square-foot shack between two hills. Two hills come down behind it, and it sits right between them. That's where your house is.

Your neighbors are hills. You're in the floodplain. Yeah, 1.46 acres of hill to go with this. $44,500. That's so bad. So an acre and a half and a house. So that's not bad, but you don't want to live there. Put it that way. Found a three-bedroom, two-bath, 2,264-squ half and a house. So that's not bad. But you don't want to live there. Put it that way.

Found a three bedroom, two bath, 2,264 square foot house. Decent. Decent house. It's very wooden. The outside is like wood, like diagonal, like wood slats. Like paneling? Like paneling, but like diagonal. Tongue and groove kind of. Sort of thing.

Very wood. Looks flammable as shit. But nice though. $140,000. It's a tinderbox but 140 000 so that's not bad for that for 2300 slightly less flammable than a coal mine a coal mine probably it is a coal mine uh i'm selling you a coal mine everyone then i found a three bedroom three bath 2400 square foot house uh it is nice big porch you you own the coal mine or you manage it or something here on two acres okay 194 000 what a deal that's as nice as it gets around there and you can get it for under 200 000 bucks not bad gambles that's your gambles betting on black

lung black lung always bet on black lung things to do yeah in this town the west virginia quilt festival oh oh boy yeah we go west virginia festival give me those pants with holes in them i'm making squares out of it i found the schedule for a couple of days here from uh one day here 9 a.m to 12 p.m and 2 to 5 p.m they have modern piecing 101 i guess show you how it's done first i thought it said piercing and i'm like oh that's weird that's awesome like they got like a piercing booth me cool dude that's pretty cool like hey we're gonna quilt then you can take those needles and fucking stick a hole in yourself man and straight line quilting uh with diana beverage she's gonna be taking on all the all comers that day she's's got so many lemonade jokes. Take that for whatever it's worth.

So admission costs eight dollars a day. Wow. Or a 16 day multi multi day pass. Sixteen dollar. Sixteen dollar multi day pass. Sixteen days. Then the next day they're back with dimensional thread painting with Joyce Hughes, which I I'm honestly thinking about taking a trip out there.

I'm upset if I can't get there, the travel and everything. Then there's a lecture, Journey into Quilting and Dimensional Thread Painting with Joy Hughes again. So you can do that. And then finally also, there is the annual Anstead Hometown Festival. And this is where it's at here. This is where you want to be the local vfw post will host a hot dog sale here as well so there's that uh other events scheduled that's an

event a hot dog sale by the vfw other other events now if you're not all tired out from that if you're not just ready to fall asleep uh you can do this there's a pet show a canine demonstration yeah and fingerprinting by the fayette county sheriff's department that's fucked up let's just all get y'all fingerprint ain't this fun all right then perfect that one in the bank yeah let's get that like a shit bag kid's dirty and he's gonna we're gonna we're gonna be arresting him in about six years you're gonna want to print him up probably pretty good that is a filthy way to get everybody's years you're gonna want to print him up probably pretty good that is a filthy way to get everybody's wow fingerprints into your bank jesus here's a dog look at him sniff isn't that great why did you give me your finger roll your thumb there like that's all right that's how great

dogs are see him sniffing we had that dog jump over a dog house let's see your hand boy yeah there you go you don't even notice that they're rolling your shit like why is there ink on my hands when you're done uh they also distract you with a hot dog and another dog there you go. You don't even notice that they're rolling your shit. Like, why is there ink on my hands when you're done? They also... Distract you with a hot dog and another dog. There you go. Dogs everywhere. They also have... This is getting better, even.

A memorial service at the Veterans Memorial. That's nice. A parade. Then comes the main event, Jimmy. The coal shoveling contest. What? They're having a coal shoveling contest. Find out who's going to be good at this.

Who's the best coal shoveler out there? How many heart attacks happened? Shoveling is the number one heart attack inducing activity there is. How many people just in poor health drop from coal shoveling? This sounds like it's put on by the coal industry. Oh, it is. Everything there is. Right.

But they're doing people with money. They're doing a background check with your fingerprints and then seeing how well you shot the coal. It's a job interview. It's a job fair. It's a coal mining job fair. That's it. Then a 5K walk just to see if you have... See if you're in shape.

Well, you got to walk down to the mine a while, see if you can do that. Inflatables to test your lungs to see if you can blow anything up see well he's already only at half capacity you're gonna last long in the mind uh vendors and crafters karaoke a motorcycle show cave walks and more and uh hot dog and barbecue sale throughout the weekend whole shoveling contest the whole goddamn thing is for the fucking mind it's for the culture new fuckers like look at him go guy comes up afterwards like a scout hey buddy hey dude who'd you see i really like that one i saw you shoveling out there pal i gotta tell you we think you got the goods we'd like to sign you up to sign you right around

32 a year we're gonna do that or take your contract unless you're gonna be in the minors for a while no guaranteed money no guarantee sorry jesus christ man yeah this is what's going on here fuck the uh the sponsors include a bunch of banks uh exxon a bunch of shit like that and the chimney corner gift shop perfect here excellent good job uh crime rate in this town what we're interested here property crime surprisingly is about 20 low because as that's honestly shocking to me i figured this would be a higher crime area well it's not just judging by documentaries i've seen that's what i mean people are lunatics i think there's just no law around to stop it they don't document it well if it's happening in the hills who are lunatics i think there's just no law around to stop it they don't document

it well if it's happening in the hills who gives a shit i think it's one of those honestly i think they treat the hills yeah like some fucking police forces treat like the projects and like in like the wire where they're like they're just killing each other where do we care i think it's the same thing but redneck style and then the rednecks treat the hills like vegas what happens up in the hall or stay in the hall you can fuck your cousin and she won't even tell nothing about it and i mean if she's nine jesus crime rate in this town here about property like i said about 20 low so surprising violent crime here murder rape robbery and assault mount rushmore of crime again about 20 low shocking honestly it seems safe it seems safe uh we're gonna go back in time a little bit and find out

a time where it's not so safe okay let's talk about a murder yeah let's do it i understand that anybody who's paid attention to the media would have to come to the conclusion that i killed my wife hi my name is Zach Stewart-Pontier. I'm one of the filmmakers behind The Jinx, and I'm excited to bring you The Official Jinx Podcast. We'll be revisiting all six episodes of Part 1 and watching along with Part 2 as it airs on Max, starting April 21st.

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and the people in it matched the town like a hand, like OJ in his glove. Yeah. Because it really did fit. So, it did.

Let's be honest here. He just bent his wrist to make someone go on. Even his lawyer said he didn't take his fucking, he didn't take his anti-inflammatories for a couple days. So he couldn't bend his hands well. His hand was swollen, too. Oh, Jesus. He got some water weight.

It's water weight. Exactly. That's what he did. So that's a fact. That's awesome. Yeah. Hey, theatrics. Yeah.

So January 30th, 1983, we're going to go back to. So picture this. So January 30th, 1983, we're going to go back to. So picture this as as back ass words as we just described this town. That's 2020. That's today. Let's go back 37 years. What do you fucking think this place was like?

Oh, boy. Yeah. Oh, boy. I mean, I just this is like people are they just started hearing about shoes recently around here. Like it's that's the type of area we're talking about. It does feel very reminiscent of a town that maybe just took the buckles off their shoes in, I don't know, 2015. Maybe. But like I said, buckles, they don't have shoes.

They're just barefoot with the rolled up overalls. But then they're short because he's had them since he was nine. They bought them big for me when I was nine. I grew out of them, but they're my best fishing pants i grew into them now out of them when i stand in the creek it don't matter my knees are dry don't matter don't matter no how as tim would say yeah so uh january 30th 1983 to be exact here our january 31st is when we will talk about this in detail. January 30th, though, a man is reported missing from this area. He's a man named James Duncan.

He's born in 1948. He's 35 years old at this point. And they're worried about him because his truck was found over an embankment down into a river. So his truck was found down a river embankment basically off a road. And his truck was found like down a river embankment basically off a road and he's not in it and it's and the truck's just like abandoned he definitely didn't it doesn't look like he drove it down there it's not like oh i was driving down to the creek to go fishing it wasn't one of those things he didn't overheat it and he was trying to cool it off no no no not not at all here not like tim and stevie no so uh they find just the truck so the authorities are wondering where

this man might be immediately that day they drag the river right by his truck just to see if maybe he went in the you know fell in the river went in for a swim got thrown in the river crashed into it tried to get out of the truck who knows under anything could happen anything could happen so they drag the river they don't find him and uh it's the mystery of where is james duncan in this town and uh even over even after just a day in a small town like this wild fire it spreads like wildfire where the fuck is james duncan they found his truck oh boy rumors start flying around and everything like that uh but it doesn't last very long all these rumors that's the thing you know that night in every fucking every bar and on every

front porch in this fucking town yeah they sat there talking i heard jimmy duncan guy he just they found his truck they found it yeah i was down by down a holler down the thing around by the river in an embankment it's in there i like putting emphasis on the wrong sentences it's the wrong syllables. Whatever the right one is, you do the opposite. And that's my southern accent. My West Virginia, anyway. Watching TV.

Up and in back. Watching on the TV. Which is weird. It is. It's also strange because that's how people in the Bronx used to say TV all the time when I was a kid, too. TV. TV. Yeah.

All the time. That's how everybody said it. So hillbillies on a hill in Guinea Bronx, to say TV all the time when I was a kid too. TV. All the time. That's how everybody said it. Hillbillies on a hill and Guinea Bronx people. People trying to make it better? What are they trying to do? I don't know what they're doing. So the next day happens. Oh my god. This is fucking crazy.

Jimmy. I'm so excited to tell this story. So the truck's wet. No Jimmy D. It's not wet. It's just kind of down by the creek. Down the truck's wet. No Jimmy D. It's not wet. It's just kind of down by the creek down an embankment and yeah, off of West Virginia Route 41 close to the New River here. So the next

day, the police pull up on a bridge. Different bridge from here. It's not right by here. Same water? I don't think it's the same water, but it might be. It doesn't matter. It's not the same area. Got it. So the police pull up on a bridge on their normal patrol, just going through. It's nighttime. And when they pull up on this bridge, it's two Hinton City police officers.

They see an object. There's a car stopped on the bridge, which right away is weird. Yeah. I don't know. What do you do that's positive that you would stop on a bridge for? Nothing. Nothing. There's no like... Is it over a would stop on a bridge for? Nothing. Nothing. There's no like...

Is it over a waterfall? I mean, you want to see that. It's nighttime in West Virginia. There's no good citizen reason to be stopped on a bridge. Generally, the person stopped on a bridge is discarding a fucking body. Discarding something. Throwing a rifle. Maybe themselves also.

Who knows? Had enough. Had enough. Need to think about it for a minute before they pull off. But they see an object being thrown from this car stopped on the bridge. So when they see a car on the bridge and something fly out of the window, they're automatically curious as police officers. This is what you get on the job for. Shit like this.

Oh, shit. Do you see that? You see that? Damn. This isn't even go take a report. I just saw something. I get to put my experience in a report. Hey, look at this.

I'm not interviewing shit. We got to chase them and then write a report. Usually, I just show up, write a report. This is fun. Especially in this town. You don't see shit like this happening. We get to turn the lights on. Oh, boy.

Sirens, too. You going to do the siren? Might as well. Shit, you get the lights. I'll get the sirens look at me i'm tj hooker it's 83 so tj hooker i feel like would be his reference i'm william shatner and tj hooker tom sillock was a cop on something wasn't he don't know. He's a cop now on that show. Oh, it's today?

Now, that terrible old people show that's on CBS. Blue Bloods. Oh, he's on that? It's him, one of the new kids on the block guys. One of the Wahlbergs. It's Donnie Wahlberg. Yeah, less talented acting Wahlberg. Because Mark was busy or wouldn't take the money.

Mark doesn't do TV. They're like, is Donnie available? I'll give him a call. Hold on. Donnie! Is Donnie available? I'll give him a call. Hold on. Donnie! Is Donnie tired of hanging tough? Open the basement door and call the Donnie.

Donnie! You want to be on this show? Tom Selleck, what do you fucking care who's in it? What do you care? What have you been doing down there? You're building fucking

Lego Millennium Falcons last time I saw you. Get up here and get on this fucking show. Okay. Isn't he married to on this fucking show. Okay. Isn't he married to an asshole? I am tough. He's married to Jenny McCarthy.

Oh, he is. Yeah, he is married to an asshole. He's married to anti-vaxxing Jenny McCarthy. That's why we're saying she's an asshole. She's an asshole. She's like, yeah, it's... Oh, boy. We have, yeah, as a parent of an autistic kid,

there's an internal fight with certain parents and that those are the ones that were like you get the fuck out of here you get out of our fuck you yeah you're making it worse there's a certain i don't give a fuck what you've ever done in your life don't get mad at me for that that's a unless you have an autistic kid and have an opinion on it you don't know what you're talking about so So enough. So here we go. They see this car. Now, the car throwing the object out sees the headlights come up over the hill and they fucking screech off. Oh, the car takes off. Now we got to chase.

It's go time. Yeah. But just as they see the car take off and they go to chase it and they're like, fucking awesome. They see what looks like a figure run away into the trees of a human just goes right a man yeah so they're like well fuck um let's let's get the person he'll be easier to catch probably than than the car uh and he's right here and there's nobody in the car now they don't know the car well the car i assume so the car drove away okay drove away it didn't just like coast no no it went from no it went from a stop position to peeling out and

driving down the road. And a man, they see a man. They didn't see a man get out of the car. They just see a man as they're driving by run into the trees from the side of the road. So there was somebody on the side of the road near the car. And they run into the trees. So they investigate. They get out of the car, get their flashlights out.

Now, this is some police work. Side of a West Virginia hill. Yeah. By the creek. Yeah. With a bridge and a man ran in the trees. I mean, he could be fucking Sasquatch. You have no idea.

We're going to chase footprints. It's Bigfoot. Yeah. We're going to get him. We're going to be famous. So, they go in to investigate. Now, right away, they don't find the man that they're looking for who ran away. At least, they don't think it's him.

But what they do find is another man in a very weird spot uh basically they find james duncan who's been missing jimmy d they find jimmy d yeah uh he is uh dangling from the bridge structure by his foot like is it caught it's? It's caught. Oh, my God. He's dangling. In like one of the pieces of wood? One of the superstructure in the bridge. Oh, Jesus. So it's just, he's dead. Oh, okay.

It's his dead body. All right. Dangling. I mean, not so, right? No. They know he's dead because basically he has, his chest is open and there's nothing in there. Oh, boy. So he's pretty clearly dead.

Yeah. They don't think he's alive and uh this would be the most really the most completest suicide ever if this happened but disemboweled himself and then jumped and then jumped off the bridge part of the bridge yeah and got caught on basically looks like if the person was jumping they got caught and they're hung so there's one foot and a guy dangling down so that's what they find they find a corpse dangling from the bridge superstructure so now they're like fucking jackpot police time either that or they're throwing up a car sped away a guy ran in the woods there's a fucking body dangling from the holy shit

this is everything they've ever wanted in a small town like finally it happened chief and tell him this happened he's not even gonna chief call the mayor and tell him this happened. He's not even going to believe it. The chief called the mayor and the governor, for Christ's sake. This is great. Where's the goddamn mayor? Get him down here. The city council needs to be here. The fire department needs to come. Bob from the general store should obviously come down here.

Everybody's going to be asking about it. He's going to have to tell them. Get him on up there. They're going to call us liars. You know they're going to call us liars. So he's hanging by one foot from the Wiggins Bridge here. They initially

say he appears to be disemboweled is what they see. But once they get him down from there, which must have been quite the operation. Picture this. Picture like a crane and a thing. I don't know. So we swing it. Picture how the arguments of how they're going to get him down that must have been amazing like lower the boat

no no shit do we get a cherry from the bottom or are we gonna pull him from the top we're gonna just like dangle and repel and time and pull him up like a helicopter what are you gonna do you tore him oh shit now his leg fell off so um yeah it's it's it's interesting uh so they pull him out and the medical examiner's office uh said that he is not exactly disemboweled but certainly mutilated and we'll tell you how exactly there's there's things missing in there that should be in there but what they do find uh is a 22 caliber slug in there somewhere in his chest usually 22s don't do that uh no uh we'll we'll we'll discuss what happened here uh so they said that he died from a gunshot wound and that later afterwards like very post-mortem not like not immediately uh Someone cut out his heart and lungs at some point and left him splayed open like a seventh grade biology class frog dangling from one foot from the bridge.

Lungs and hearts are usually not so good for harvesting. No. What are you going to do with that? Several days later. No. How long after did they say? Well, they don't know. They said definitely postmortem.

Certainly it was over. It wasn't know within an hour or anything like that it was those organs are useless by then oh yeah yeah no they didn't like they didn't try to like sell them on the black market you know we get money for that a lung a lung is worth the heart institute didn't buy it i mean the you know what a fresh lungs worth around here i mean we could say it's fresh they don't know none so it's still pink it's still all my it's a good one boy so obviously there are some questions in the area this is the biggest thing in the hills it's gonna i mean it's fuck james duncan's dad jimmy duncan's dad and everybody knew jimmy duncan jimmy duncan's a local carouser likes to go down to the tavern yeah and go down and get shit faced and and do redneck

stuff my kind of guy he well let's let's not say that remember jimmy remember jimmy you gotta hold back you're my kind of guy let's just for a minute yeah normally we don't make fun of the victims like we say or the victim's family but god damn it when you deserve it you deserve it and it's we'll talk about not your kind of guy no uh he is if you've ever seen sling blade he is dwight yokum from sling blade in real life that's who this man is a drunken abusive hillbilly asshole i mean like a stereotype that's so it's worse than dwight like dwight yokum is such a such a bad character in that movie. It's a great character. He does a great job, but he, that character is so evil of a person.

It's if they went one step further on anything, it would have made him unrealistic. That's how evil he was. Never apologized. It would make him exactly the fact that he was like, I mean, sorry that you're an asshole and you can't take no shit, but like it made him human. Like he was, that was his way of trying to, you know, manipulate the situation.

I just wanted to come over and tell y'all, I'm sorry. I'm sorry that I cheated on you and called you a bitch. But if you weren't such a bitch, wouldn't have to call you a bitch and your pussy faggot son. Yeah, that's what it was. That's where you would go.

But I mean, I digress. What I'm saying is I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Sorry. You raised a, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Sorry you raised a pussy son. And you're a whore. Thank you. That's basically...

Now can we get back together? I'm moving back in. Okay. Now that's that. Now there's that, and then there's like the guy from the Dixie Chicks song. Right. Earl. Earl.

Yep. Okay. Now if you combine Dwight Yoakam and Earl, you get Jimmy Duncan. Oh no. That's who you got you get Jimmy Duncan. Oh, no. That's who you got here. Jimmy D. Jimmy D's an asshole. Not a good Jimmy.

Not a good Jimmy. Not your kind of guy. He's married. He has an infant daughter and three step-sons as well, which is just what you want around this guy. Four kids. Four children. Three of which are not his and their boys. Not even his and their boys take a

punch they can take a punch and then his infant daughter who i'm sure he'll be an excellent role model for as a as a what to go for in the world yeah perfect oh so drunk and abusive i'll write that down all right then i'll be looking for that when i'm 18 so yeah uh in january 29th 1983 as of that day he's married infant daughter three step sons married to a woman named cleo cleo duncan is his wife and uh that night of the 29th he went to mount hope uh town around there down i guess probably the nearest town with a fucking bar i mean honestly like you had to drive through the hills to get to anywhere these are the type of people that and i don't mean this in a in like a whatever because if you have to struggle for food you have to struggle but for food but these aren't the type of people in 1983 especially who i don't think take as many trips to the grocery store as much as jimmy jr shot a

possum so we gonna have going to have stew tonight. I think it's more that type of area. Good news, you don't have to go, because there was just 12 squirrels that ran by. One shotgun blast got them all. Good news, raccoon ran out in front of my car. We're having burgoo hot dogs tonight. We're having burgoo dogs tonight. It's going to be amazing.

Do they put burgoo on instead of chili? I bet they do. They probably do so um yeah this is what these are that type of people i mean it's it's you know not they're not wealthy they don't have a lot of money they don't have a lot of and they live in the hills there's not a lot of things they're like survivalists almost where they almost they can do fine they can do they they get by Yeah. So he's out drinking that night, drinking, getting shit faced in Mount Hope. After he's done drinking, he arrives home late at night. You know, we're talking midnight, one o'clock in the morning.

He arrives home. And first thing he does is Jesus Christ. Wake his wife up. Yeah. To say, make me some food. Oh, oh boy at one o'clock in the morning shit face make me food taco bell's closed yeah can you imagine that like boy that right there that tells you the type of person he is like he can't even warm something up for himself he's got to wake her up make me food because that's your job damn it i'm fucking drunk i drank too much

and i need you to make me food to soak this shit up damn it i'm fucking drunk i drank too much and i need you to make me food to soak this shit up obviously so that tomorrow's not my worst night that's yeah it's gonna be bad it's gonna be worse for you yeah now uh yes fuck man this is way out there in the hills too uh their infant daughter cleo's sons were jerry joey and bobby from oldest to youngest uh jerry joey bobby jerry's 17 years old, and then the other ones are younger than that. Now, first thing he does, she puts some soup in the microwave for him, and he was not happy about that. He thought that the soup was not heated up as much as he would have liked it to have

been. Literally, his soup was not hot enough. Unbelievable. Unbelievable. heat it up as much as he would have liked it to have been literally his soup was not hot enough unbelievable so he smashed through the bowl across the kitchen smashed it against the wall and chased her out into the yard to beat the shit out of her what oh he went out to go get her yeah uh he was fucking pissed okay um now he goes out and gets her when he comes back in he with her probably by the fucking hair, he realizes that the fire in the wood stove had gone out because apparently nobody had fucking stoked it or put more wood on it when they were supposed to.

So they fucked up. So now it's cold in the house. Now the fire's out and it should be going. And my food isn't warm. Soup's cold. And I'm shit facedfaced and i'm an asshole and it's 1 a.m and it is all hell is about to break loose man it's oh boy it's it's seriously this is uh like the apocalypse is over oh i would say the honeymoon is over uh so uh yeah he freaks

out um about that and he's yelling about that. So he told her to make him something else to eat, which he, again, was not satisfied with. Okay. So, again. Attempt number two was no good? No good. Oh, boy. Wood stove's back on. Now you make me something better.

This sucks, too. Threw it against the wall, and now she knew to run right away. He chases her. She goes outside again, gets her, brings her back inside. Oh, my God. Okay. So this poor woman. And where the fuck is she running to?

I mean, you're in the hills. I mean, fucking anywhere else. The woods? But I mean, that's her other option that's a better option for her. The woods in the hills of West Virginia are safer than my house. I'm going to live in the hills. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. So I'll fall in a fucking mine.

I don't care. I'll take my chance at whatever wildlife's out there. Whatever. It's better than this. It has to be. Has to be. Now, this time, though, he's, I'm sure, doing his domestic violence here. Obviously, he's chased her, dragged her back.

And by this time, this had awoken her oldest son jerry because there's a shitload of commotion and it's not a big house so he's about 17 years old and he like any 17 year old would do in this situation yeah and it's not even his dad not that your dad would make it any better but it's not even your fucking dad he jumps in there and says you know hey leave my mom alone and tries to get him to stop beating her basically because that's all so uh jimmy duncan says oh yeah throws her down and says fine i'll fuck you up then and starts going after him hell yeah so jerry runs out in the yard that's all that's your only defense in this house it's a small house you've got a room here a couple bedrooms it's he's drunk fuck it and he can change i'm 17 right you know 17 year olds to

know the woods around their house like nobody's business he's like I'm hit that trail go here I got a fort in a tree and a thing and I you know he knows where he's going he knows how to cut corners and not hit a tree that's the thing yeah in the dark right yeah so kids are good at that so uh I chased him outside eventually there was some sort of truce with them shouting back and forth from him in the woods and him over here and come on back in i ain't gonna beat you and all right well what the fuck blah blah blah and i'll hit my mom and all right and everything everybody everything's gonna be fine let's just all talk about it oh boy jimmy duncan says let's just all talk about it let's just all sit down have a conversation it's a lot to talk about we gotta talk about uh first of all number one

thing we gotta talk about is y'all are fuck-ups yeah and that's exactly what this is he gathers them to give them a dwight yocum not to say i'm sorry i just threw two plates of food across beat your mom twice chased everybody outside no no he gathers to say that you made me do that because you're such fucking useless assholes. That's what he does. He gathers everybody in the kitchen to have this conversation. Everybody sit down. Right. And while he's talking, he is holding out a large kitchen knife, shaking it back and forth, pointing it, like telling him like, you stupid son of a bitch have to put more wood on the fire.

He's using it like a pointer a fucking butcher knife so this is uncomfortable obviously yeah a little bit uh he's gotten the other two boys awake too now he got them out of bed to sit because they're just as responsible for the damn wood stove going out so everyone's sitting waking the kids up at 2 a.m so drunken stepdad for drunken ass chewing a drunken ass chewing looking over while your mom just you know your brother's got chasing you like mom's got red walls on her face and you're telling me that i'm a piece of shit i was just dreaming man i don't know what's going on like this is crazy this is we're in crazy land i was in REM sleep that's what i'm saying so uh it's at that point that um

there's a there's a gun in the house as well. There is a gun behind the kitchen stove. Why would you keep a loaded gun behind a hot... Not there. That's where you keep ammunition next to a hot box of something? Generally, I mean, the box doesn't get hot on the outside of it. But in West Virginia, I imagine nothing there operates the way it's supposed to. That's what I'm saying. I'm not putting live ammunition leaned up against my oven. Near the fire. hot on the outside of it but in west virginia i imagine nothing there operates the way that's what i'm saying i'm not putting live ammunition leaned up against my oven fire mirrors right by

it they probably have one of those like pre-world war ii ovens where you know one of those old things where if you walk by too fast the pilot light goes out everybody dies of fucking gas inhalation one of those so uh yeah he's lecturing the boys on how to keep a proper fire going with the knife, and then he gets the gun out as well. Because when you're instructing young men on how to do something properly, you should be armed, usually. Well, I mean, really, the best instructions that I ever really absorbed the most were at gunpoint.

At the point of a gun. Don't move. I didn't move you you listen you're gonna get all the thing hands duct taped behind your back don't move as you wish sir no sounds good you got it pal i'll do it so this gun is his mother-in-law's gun this is cleo's mom's gun uh that they keep in the house her his mom, Dorothy. Dorothy Grubb is her name. Double B. Dorothy Grubb. Now, Dorothy lives next

door as well because this is that kind of area where your family all live next to each other in the hill. But next door, it's like the next door down the way. Down the way. Well, she lives pretty close by actually because I think it's like multiple houses. I don't think they have many acres these people it's you know we'll just build a couple

more shacks up here and so dorothy lives next door here and uh she actually heard the commotion going on because he's yelling and screaming and so she came over like it's enough to wake up someone in another structure in the middle of the night that's loud yeah that's fucking loud if somebody's running through the night after they've been pummeled there's probably some scream that's outside woman scream when she's been yeah that's true you can recognize it and a kid yelling back and forth and the first time you hear it you might go uh did they figure it out she's back in the house i think they figured it out the second time though you go i'm gonna go investigate this shit probably not dual pane windows on this house either keeping a lot of the sound in this is probably like she was screaming right into her ear through a screen probably if there's a torn

screen i don't know if that holds sound in very well something that lets the mosquitoes in yeah this is a mosquito mosquito uh what are those No, the goddamn, the rotating doors. What are those fucking called? Revolving, revolving doors. Oh, yeah, yeah. It's a mosquito revolver. Yes. That's it. Like, you know, at hotels to keep the cold out. You know what I'm talking about. So, Dorothy pops up in the middle of the night. Picture

her in her bathrobe. Lights on. Everybody's screaming. Broken plates and food all over the place. Kids are the place kids are crying women are crying there's gunplay there's knives around she's rubbing her eyes with morning breath is happening yeah she's probably drunk from the night before yeah licking the roof of her mouth how much did i drink last night i got too much gin the fuck is happening in this trailer so she comes over and uh tries to disarm him now somehow this is she's in her 50s this lady uh she's like 58 years old i want to say she's in her late 50s there's a an

abused woman and three children and a guy with a gun somehow in this melee james duncan ends up getting shot really one shot is fired in this melee one shot and it it's james duncan and he falls dead to the floor must have been a fucking immaculate right through the heart or one of those things because he died fast they said it was just fell and he's dead oh shit and uh we don't ever know we think dorothy is the trigger man i was just gonna say is dorothy just like a bad bitch but yeah they don't know because there's they tell conflicting stories about exactly what happened but what definitely happened is uh yeah uh she there's a 22 caliber caliber rifle shot him in the chest. He goes down.

Okay, so he's dead. She then freaks out Dorothy and tries to turn the rifle on herself to blow her own brains out in front of the grandkids. Oh, no. And the wife and with a dead dad on the floor. Right. Think about what's happening at two o'clock in the morning in this place. My word. Think about the scene that's going on here okay a 17 year old in the in the prime of his life is experiencing this and this is going to shape him forever forever now mind you it's going to get even crazier very soon here okay

so grandma no is where we're stopped grandma stop don't kill yourself they pull the rifle out of grandma's hands uh the quote here from someone is quote mrs grubb was hysterical stating that she did not want to live because she because she had killed jimmy so she was like oh no i you know she thought her life was over so what she does uh cleo said she would take she would take the blame for it trying to get her mother to say no no i'll take the blame don't worry about it and all that so they kind of go back and forth eventually they talk dorothy off the ledge uh here takes she takes the gun away from her head and she's ready to calm down and figure something out so they all sit down and they have to figure out what they're going to do

yeah kids and all this is a dead dead jim This is a dead Jimmy D on the kitchen floor. And the Duncan's got to figure out how to dispose of dad. There's still probably chicken soup running down the wall. I mean, that's how. Yeah, it's fresh. There's still burgoo running down the wall. There's still broth pools in the linoleum. That's what I'm saying.

It's fucking crazy. So they settle on. Okay, here's what we're going to do. We're going to bury him. We got to bet we're going to bury him. That's what we'll do. So they pick a spot about 130 yards from the house. So that's a good distance.

Think about it. It's a football field. And then some. It's not far enough. It's not far enough. Not far enough. Distance yourself from the body. It feels far.

It feels like, well, we're not near the house now. I can't even smell it. No, like you'd have to really shout to get to talk to someone from that. Like, hi, what? Did that go, what? It's a distance is what I'm getting at. So I feel like it's one of those. Like, is this far enough?

What? Say again. Okay. And they start digging. Say again. What? far enough what say again okay and they start digging say again what so they decide to do that uh they they enlist jerry and joey to dig the hole okay so now 17 year old and probably 14 something like that yeah lower lower yeah so now we've got the children involved digging holes we got teenagers digging makeshift gravesging makeshift graves in a coal mountain,

135 yards from the fucking house, okay? So picture that scene, number one. After Nana just tried to off herself. Yeah, after Mom had to wrestle the gun from Nana's hand as she tried to off herself after killing her father. Oh, boy. Arise. We'll just say that.

This is like West Virginia. I can't even. This is west virginia through a microscope just huge in your eyesight you know holy unbelievably close family oh it's ridiculous yeah so the kids get to dig their first body the hole that's nice you know what you got to get that out of the way at some point in your life that's the thing some point a kid's got to become an adult and dig his first fucking hole for the corpse your grandma killed you know what i mean just to prep yourself for in your 40s when you go christ you think this is the first hole i dug because the first fucking hole i dug a fucking hole because the first fucking hole i dug

so they decide to do that they uh then uh dorothy and jerry are the ones who are the oldest son and dorothy drag james out to the hole and dump a minute yeah and uh that's that okay so at that point they're like okay he's in a hole we got that part done there's that he's way far away from the house like i couldn't even hear Jerry when he was digging. Like, I didn't even hear him. Couldn't even hear the shovel. I would say that no one would even connect that to us, right? No, right?

No. He's out there. It's fine. Good. Must have been someone else. I don't know. If this was a movie, it'd be called Goodfellas. Goodfellas.

This it was. Dude, this. This is what. Dude, this. This is amazing. If this was a movie, they'd be like, you got to make it more real, is what they would say. Like, literally, you'd read it and go, okay, like, it's, this is silly. I get what you're going for, but it's far-fetched because it gets worse. Okay. Oh, boy.

Okay. This is how silly this gets. Way worse. So, they're sitting around. Now, what do we do? Well, people are going to expect in places. What about his thing, his things, his truck sitting outside? You know, if he's not with his truck, people will probably wonder what's up with that.

So Jerry and Cleo decide, OK, this is what we're going to do. Well, they all decide to do it. But Jerry and Cleo actually take the truck and they say, this is what we're gonna do well they all decide to do it but jerry and cleo actually take the truck uh and they say this is what we're gonna do we're gonna drive the truck over to prince and we're gonna run it over a hill to the edge of the river and make it look like duncan was involved in an accident smart now that would be smart but then where did he go right he was involved in an accident and disappeared yeah and vaporized he was involved involved in such a bad accident, we didn't find a trace of him. He hit the steering wheel so hard, poof, he was gone.

Coal dust. We didn't even find that. Breeze must have came through, blew it all on out of there. I didn't even find no coal dust. That's what happened. That's their plan. It's an idea. So they do it.

They say, great, cleo and jerry drive the truck with grandma dorothy following in the car to pick them up obviously so that this is quite the quite the procession we have here what a parade this is a salute that parade everybody this is amazing so now this is fucking awesome they get it up there they drove it over a hillside got it up there and pushed it over the hillside jerry did but but the truck didn't reach the river they tried their whole point was to push the truck in the river yeah and it just went down close to the river and stopped they were like hey see it like slow yeah it hits a big rock and it's just sitting there and now they're like now it's just an empty truck without a dead body in it the point was it goes in the river they find it you know down the river

he must animals could have taken him you know maybe who the fuck knows what happened to him swamp monster ate him swamp monster ate him noodlers took him yeah they went in there noodling and they were like oh i found a man and they just took him that's the biggest damn catfish i ever seen they needed bait i mean they just broke up pieces of them so but they were what are they going to do they can't get it back from down the fucking embankment it's stuck there now there's nothing they can do about it once it's there it's there so they're like all right fuck it i guess right there it is so they're like all right well i guess that's fucked we tried i don't know how we're going to explain that one plant second thing we didn't do too well here.

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As they go back, they're like, all right, well, let's stay. They all went to the edge, to the embankment to look over and go, what the fuck do we do now? I don't know. I guess we leave it there. Shit. Can we blow it up? How the hell are we going to do that?

I guess we leave it there. We can't go put footprints near it. Also, we don't want more tracks of the tires. We just got to leave it where it sits. We'll leave it where it sits. They're like, I guess we'll go back home and figure it out. So they go back to the car and it's locked. They lock their keys in the car

out of my life dorothy locked her fucking keys in the car nana stop fucking around open the door nana they lock the keys nana open the fucking door so now they're stuck on the side of the road with evidence of a murder cover-up, and their getaway car has the keys locked inside of it, and they're just standing out there, sitting ducks for anything that could happen. That is awesome. So they're like, fuck, now what do we do? Shit.

Okay. Okay. So apparently, somehow, through some miracle, somebody they know was passing by them. That's bad. Well, bad and good. Yeah. Good thing is people around there don't ask too many questions. He might be fucking his cousin in the trees.

We ain't going to talk about it. That's his right. That's a cousin. So they end up sending this person back to their house, back to their fucking compound or whatever to get another family member to give them the spare keys and come back okay i can't believe the answer is not what we break the fucking window obviously and get the hell out of here somebody's got to go back and get the key somebody's gonna have to get a shitload of dimes that's what this is the key somebody's gonna have to get a shitload of dimes that's what this is

i swear that's what this fucking feels unbelievable blazing so mel brooks would have been like this is too silly right we can't have this and fucking in a parody that's how so imagine the people sitting waiting for the key people what do you sit on the trunk of the on the hood just hang out what do you talk about for that half hour so i hope nobody sees that truck about 50 yards away from us i guess so shit oh boy oh well jesus i don't think the knicks are gonna be very good this year i don't think what the fuck are you talking about it's just ridiculous so they give the keys back yeah uh they get the keys they go back home and they file a missing person's report now now's when they file the missing person's report they're like okay we dump the truck yep he's missing okay so that's when the police get the call yeah they find the

truck down in the embankment they go oh shit they drag the river where could he be oh my god because they think maybe he was injured in the accident stumbled fell in the river and died that's that's all they have to go on at this point. There's not a blood trail or anything like that. It doesn't. Who knows? Maybe he was just unconscious or knocked out. Knocked half silly.

Jimmy. That's it, man. So they they make a missing persons report. Now, Cleo that evening while they're sitting around with their their nightly burgoo. Cleo's very sad. Yeah. Cleo's very... I don't know why she's sad here.

She should be thrilled, but she's sad. Yeah. And she sits everybody around the table. And that's the thing, too. This is not a secret. Right. The kids know about it. Everybody helps.

Everybody helps. Like, everyone's in on this shit. Does she, like, take over his role and grab the speaking butcher knife? Well, yeah. She smacked the shit out of her one son for not keeping the wood stove at a proper temperature. She picked up the speaking stick, which is a goddamn Ginsu. This is my speaking poker. Right.

So she turns to her family and she says, I can't bear the grief and the sadness and the agony here. I can't take it anymore. He has to have a proper burial. What we did wasn't right. What? It wasn't right. He needs a proper burial. She's still in the cycle, James.

He needs a proper funeral, a proper burial. We did it wrong. She's feeling guilty for doing this now. And the mom's like i don't know about that i don't know i did a great job one shot it's pretty amazing now the interesting thing is uh it's at this point that they want to have a decent burial and everything like that um wow uh but uh they decide okay what we'll do is the only way to get him. Obviously, we can't take him to the fucking cemetery and have the kids dig a hole and then just pretend he's not there.

You can't give him to the fucking corn. They're going to notice probably. So the police are looking for his body. They're looking in the river. We said he's missing. So here's what we'll do. We're going to throw him in the river. That way they'll find him when they drag the river again, because they were just dragging

the river that day. They're like, they'll drag it again tomorrow. And then they're going to find him tomorrow. We'll throw him in the river and then they'll pull him out. We'll give him a proper funeral and burial. And then everybody's happy. Right. But prior to that happening is you have to dig the hole again.

Oh, we'll get to that. We'll get to that. He's 130 yards away. Don't worry about it. He's buried out there. So there's more there too so because remember he he had half his chest cavity missing so how does that happen exactly well we'll find out here all right so this is what i mean this is sounds so just a bumbling uh excavation well all right go on we'll talk about it so it's i wish it was a bumbling excavation that would have been accidentally well i got him with the backhoe i got it hard

did we just bury pieces on the end of my shovel is that a thing is that a problem and it's january at 2400 feet of elevation west virginia it's fucking cold yeah too that's the other thing so they buried him in the in the cold oh boy rivers though still flow usually because they're moving so they say we're going to throw him in the river that way when they drag the river they're going to find him right now the problem is they're also like keeping like patrols around that around rivers and shit because that's what they're looking for they're looking for somebody to throw a body oh they also they think maybe jerry's or jimmy's going to wander out of the woods god and be with a fucking head wound going i got an accident my truck holy shit they think maybe he wandered either off into the woods or fell in the water.

Or he's got a headlight and he's just been mining for a few days. That's it. Maybe he's just spelunking. We don't know. We don't know what he's doing down there. He could be doing anything. Coal dust. I don't know.

Nothing. That's another with the emphasis on the wrong spot. That's right. I love it. That's my West Virginia. Got shot with a.22. With a.22. He got shot with a.22.

So, Cleo, this is mind-boggling. Now, you want to get him out of the ground now. We have to get him out of the ground. We've got to get it out. Another Goodfellas thing. Remember that problem? We've got to get it out. It's been months. Okay, how long has it been? We've got to get them out of the crown that we got to get it out and mother goodfellas thing remember that problem we got to get it out it's been months okay how long it's been we got to get it out developers are building houses up there so anyway yeah they're uh they decide they need to dig them up now this if you're a mom this is a job for you and grandma yeah because this is a two-day

decomposing corpse that's been buried in it i've done done my job. Yeah. I'm out of this. Even in the cold. Yeah. You know, it's still going to be gross. So instead, Cleo says, Jerry, Joey, go dig up your stepfather. Okay. God. So she sends the fucking kids out to dig this man up out of the ground and get him out of his out of his shallow grave.

And they said, all right. They said, all right. Shovels and over the shoulders and went out there. Oh, Ma, but it's 130 yards. That's a long way. Shit. Well, go deep. Go deep, Joey.

Pretend it's football. Right. So she sends them out there to dig him up. Yeah. That's amazing. Sons. That's a hell of a favor dig your dig your stepfather father up for me we put him in there it's your turn that's i've dug the fucking hole

and then buried you dig and bury your turn right asshole so uh the what are you gonna reward me with cold soup fuck you yeah fuck you and your cold soup your cold soup's what started this whole fucking fucking asshole jesus christ so it's at this point that they go out they get him uh but the problem is dorothy stops the whole procedure yeah they dig him up they're dragging drug him 130 yards back to the house yeah he's laying there in the fucking yard oh boy and they're like all right well let's get him in the car and we'll take him down and throw him over there throw him in the river yeah so dorothy says but wait we can't do that because if they find him they're gonna they're gonna see the gunshot wound and they're gonna know that he didn't just fall in the river and they're gonna go in there and they're gonna

find a bullet they're gonna trace it that's out of my gun that's my gun i've had that gun forever they're gonna trace it back to my gun and i'm gonna end up going to prison so she's seen the first 48 so she said well the only thing to do is cut him open and go get that bullet get that bullet that's it so they put him on the kitchen table oh my god no where else are you gonna do this god what an idea where else do you do this jimmy got an eight month old in the house well she's sleeping she doesn't know what's going on they put spongebob on or some shit she's opening her father on the kitchen okay so they bring him in yeah plop him on the kitchen table start digging for the winchester and zorothy decides she's gonna open

him up like he's having just like right down the chest plate basically gonna do crack open like he's having an open heart surgery or an autopsy or some shit basically yeah so he's gonna dr bodden this she decides yeah she does that yeah she cuts him open um now in an attempt to find the bullet, she removes the heart and the lungs. With like a scale that weighs correctly. 3.1 pounds. It's four ounces on the left lung. Oh, five on the right lung.

It's a little fluid in there. I'm not sure about that. It must have been coal dust. A little coal dust extra in the right lung. So she takes organs out. She removes organs in the kitchen. I assume puts them on a cutting board or something up on the counter. I don't know what's going on.

Wraps them in the Sunday funny. I hope this is after dinner. I hope they're not going to clean up and then try to make dinner after this. Wraps them up in the funnies. That's Doonesbury. Well, kids, get Dad's left lung for me. I'm going to wrap him in Kathy. Let's go.

I got a Kathy for the left and a Garfield for the right. Let's go. That'd be little Bailey killing me. Oh, boy. He's the funniest, isn't he? Oh, that far side. Gary Larson's a treasure, isn't he? Anyway, I'm sorry.

Who would have thought cavemen, to make cavemen do things that relate to American society. It's amazing. Get stepdad's heart. Will you? Thank you. So she digs around in the heart and lungs trying to find the bullet and she can't find the bullet because if anyone knows who knows anything about guns knows 22s don't stay where you put them and they also don't stay together they don't stay together and if you

shoot someone in the heart that thing could be in his upper thigh internally by the end of it you don't know it could be in his fucking throat and his you have no idea where that bullet's gonna go they've in the it's in the uh homicide book the david simon book they talk about autopsies in there and shit and they talk about paths that 22s have made where they have like get in a vein and can trace it go in here one guy got shot in the shoulder it bounced down clipped his lung clipped his heart got his liver and ended up they ended up removing it from his groin unbelievable on the same side he got shot yeah he got went all the way across the body and back and back and it got every organ and killed him and he would it was just a shoulder wound but it got every organ killed him and lodged in his

fucking groin because a 22 so you never know where it's going to be yeah so uh apparently dorothy i would think a woman who a owns a 22 and lives up in these these parts here yeah like i said i feel like everybody can probably uh hunt for their dinner around these parts you know what i mean especially in 1983 i don't know about now but in the 80s this woman grew up yeah she's in her 20s she's in her 50s here she grew up in the 20s in west virginia this is like imagine the depression in the hills imagine what that was like oh boy holy fuck so this is a wow totally different thing here so she digs around she can't find the damn bullet for the life i

search imagine her just burst going through lungs wouldn't she just love to have an x-ray at this point i mean if you open it up like a doritos bag looking up into it for crumbs i mean if you take sections of the body off and then put it in the microwave the one that sparks that's the one oh it's smoking it's in there somewhere it's in there somewhere so they're like well i what are we gonna do we can't i'm not gonna cut them into 100 pieces to find the fucking thing so they they said, maybe it shot out. Maybe it bounced out. We just can't find the exit. You know, whatever.

Who knows? It came back out the same goddamn hole. You know what? 22s are a fickle, fickle little bastard. You never know. So they said, all right, let's load up in the car, everybody. So they do. They drive to a bridge.

This is Cleo, Dorothy in the front seat, Jerry in the back seat. They bring young Jerry to help out because he's the strength in this operation. He's the biggest boy. He's the physical strength. And they pull it to the side. They take it out of the car, and they throw it off the bridge, and his foot gets caught on the superstructure. God damn it. Of all the luck.

And he's just dangling. I told you to throw, Dorothy. God damn it. Of all the luck. And he's just dangling. I told you to throw, Dorothy. God damn it. On three, not on two. God damn it. Throw. Don't drop. Throw.

Throw. So now they're like, okay, finally. Oh, shit. So they've done nothing right here whatsoever. Dorothy's like, you know, if that dunes for the love of christ just write about this he'd have a very funny comic yeah um the this is fucking amazing by the way later on their lawyer described it as this trying to throw james over the bridge they described it quote however mr dun, Mr. Duncan, meaning James, however, Mr. Duncan,

as mean in death as he was in life, refused to fall into the river, catching his foot on the structure of the bridge. In the appeal, they're blaming him for it, and they're like, he was an asshole. That's how much of an asshole this guy was. See how stubborn this dick is? You can blame the victim in court, and the judge isn't mad at you for it.'re like well i mean yeah as mean in death as he was in life

refused to fall into the river catching his foot on the thing so it's at this point where they're like jerry go down and see if you can get a stick yeah and fucking dislodge the body unbelievable so now they're in the car and jerry's got a fucking stick on the side trying to poke this guy's body to fall. And just as that happens, headlights come up over the bridge and it's the fucking cops. Okay. You've got a stick poking a body. Oh shit.

Is those red and blues? Those are red and blues. Fucking in the the cut the worst thing you could be doing when the cops are there like you can't get caught any more red-handed than trying to fucking dislodge a corpse who you've disemboweled from a fucking structure of a bridge with a stick as the cops pull up the only way worse if you got like a fist in an infant. That would be the only way. It's like, I can't get this off. Can somebody help me with this? That would be the only way. This thing was much smaller than I anticipated.

That would be the only way to have a worse fucking... Jesus Christ. Holy shit, that's terrible. Can you get this off? Can you get this unbelievable i'm picturing him poking it he's probably swinging back and forth which makes it even more ridiculous like jabbing him in the ankle god fucking damn it but he's not falling keep poking him keep poking him grandson unbelievable so as he's poking him with the stick the cops

come over the hill the fucking women in the car panic and drive away they step on the gas and leave Jerry standing there with the fucking stick and a body and a body so Jerry heard that dropped the stick ran up as they pulled away saw the cops and went oh fucking ran

back down and the cops saw them pull away him run down that way and as we know they went down looking for him went over holy shit there's a guy dangling from there so that's how that ridiculous holy shit okay now yeah wow how fucking we're at they just found him now. The cops just have his body. That's how nuts this story is. There isn't even an investigation yet. They're just like, oh, there he is. I guess you ask the same question of the cops in that situation as when you have the infant on your fist. And you go, can you help me get this off?

Can you get this off? It's stuck. It's just wedged in there see his foot i mean jesus christ it's just wedged down in i can't get it unbelievable so uh yeah this uh obviously this is fucking insane yeah and now so they flee uh they got lost on the way home they they just took off and started going down like we'll just go this way and that way so we So they flee. They got lost on the way home. They just took off and started going down like... Just go this way and that way until we don't see... There's no headlights behind us.

To the point where they didn't know where they were anymore. Because these hollers, they're not like well-documented roads. They're not well-mapped. And it's not a grid. It's not a grid. It's a dirt road through a thing that's got a name like, you know, Willikers Pass or some shit that only the locals know what that is.

It's not a... They know how to get around there based on shit that used to be there. Yeah, that used to be... Where the old mill was in the 40s. You make a left there. All right. And it's a 12-year-old saying that. You're like, what the fuck?

How do you know where the old mill was? You're 12. Make a left down there, down the dirt road where Billy Joe slapped Bobby Jean. You remember that. That was last week. Right. Right after recess. Make a left there.

But the soup was cold. I'm not going to lie. She had it coming, damn it. If she wasn't eight months pregnant, he would have given it to her worse. I know it. I fucking know it. He don't take no shit, boy. It's a fucking place. fucking know it he don't take no shit boy so they get lost and drive aimlessly through the hills

for literally hours before they find before they find their way home so not only are they lost in every you know theoretical sense right fucking word but literally they've been spotted yeah it's by the people you don't want to get spotted by and they assume they probably caught jerry as well so you know you and we don't know how stout jerry's going to be under questioning if he's going to be like i did all this on my own yeah i was just getting a ride from those people they don't know i was poking a body with a fucking stick chances that he's going to hold up under that kind of scrutiny are very low here. Slim to none. So the next day, the next morning, they're like, we're fucked, right?

I mean, we're totally fucked. Let's turn ourselves in. We're at the end of, honestly, this is so silly. We got like 10 minutes. They're going to be knocking on the door. If we turn ourselves in, at least maybe we'll get a little mercy. So they do it. And on the way to the police station the next morning, they are pulled over by state police

officers and arrested because they were looking for them anyway. Yeah. So they're, yeah. Saw your car last night, dispose of a body. Kind of saw a body. You're driving to see us in that same car. Yeah. So we're going to go ahead and, well, no, we'll give you a ride. No.'ll give you a ride no she's gonna follow us or is that good oh no no we'll we'll just leave the car

here can i get my keys last time i will tell you a story oh boy i am terrible it's weird why the fuck did they lock the door that's what i want to know hold on that's the most ridiculous part of this whole story everything that's happened the beatings the soup the knife the gun the cutting the heart out making your kids bury him the kitchen table autopsy of everything that's happened the dumbest thing is when they pushed his car off the fucking embankment they locked their car like someone was going to wander by and steal it and they had to have locked it because it's 1983 they didn't it wasn't a no there's no way you have to physically click you gotta lock down or if it was power lock still you had to go right there

wasn't it didn't just do it on its own no button unbelievable what the fuck are you locking or maybe when they drug everyone maybe when they drug him out everyone maybe when they drug him out he was mean in death that's true his foot may be whacked oh man dragging him out what a bastard you know i don't like this guy but now i'm done with him fuck him fuck him now i've had it so it's great because normally we have to be so respectful to the victim this guy's such a dick but when the victim's literally in the middle of threatening his wife and kids with a deadly weapon and beating people two of them in the middle of the night when he's literally the worst person alive you can go that fuck him no victim here he dicks pal he's dangling like a fucking asshole who cares it's great it's a west

virginia pinata that's all it is we hit him with the stick jimmy if you hit him maybe his liver will fall out i got his heart and his lungs ain't gonna get that but if you get an appendix it's worth five dollars mister holy shit working the innards out of him go ahead and work the innards on out of him boy now that's right well get his pancreas okay oh boy so yeah cleo's charged a two-count indictment one charge of murder yeah and the other with uh unlawful disinternment which means that's discretion of course unburying a body oh okay it's yeah disinternment's a body in its final resting place. You've moved it. How about the part where, I mean, there's so many other charges. There's so much other stuff. That's what I mean.

Those are the two they're going to concentrate on. I don't know if the guy was reading the law book and he was like, that's enough, right? I don't know. I mean, we got her with two charges. Both of them carry life and something. I'm going hunting this weekend. I got things to do. I got to go lay out my clothes.

One of them carries life. Clean my guns. He's fucked, right? Right? Right? I think so. We're going out my clothes. One of them carries life. Clean my guns. He's fucked, right? Right? Right? I think so. If we're going to chase with, like, possession of a deadly weapon or evading police. Anything.

Anything. Disposal. There's so many charges here if they wanted to be ticky-tack about it. I mean, then you go right the fuck down to, like, delinquency of a minor. You know what I mean? Oh, absolutely. Ruining a child's life. Yeah, contributing to the delinquency of a minor. You know what I mean? Oh, absolutely. Ruining a child's life. Yeah, contributing to the delinquency of a minor.

Absolutely. Jesus. So Cleo, her mom, and grandson, their 17-year-old, they're all arrested together. They all go down. Yeah, the wife and Cleo here and Dorothy,

they were... Also, they mutilated this body he was cut open there's all kinds of shit uh they posted fifty thousand dollars bond a piece on first degree murder charges and went free they let them out i mean what's the chances they're gonna do it again i mean yeah there's that's the thing it's not like he wasn't a stranger. This guy was asking for it. They barely murdered in the first place. Yeah. Think about how big of an asshole this guy is. You found them.

They fucking mutilated a body. They've done everything to where the prosecution would be like, the heartless nature of this. Oh, my God. Life without parole. No bail. They're like, 50,000. It's all right. They're able to do this.

Somebody they love. You'll come back. Right. That's how much of an asshole this guy is. And even the prosecutor knows that he can't push too far with this guy. He's also the son, though. Jerry, he he gets doesn't get any bond at the moment. They they house him in a juvenile detention center because juvenile bond works different.

So they have to. I mean, the juvenile detention there is you do that do that at home yeah i just do it at home they put you in a mine it's a special mine for children with lower ceilings right you know they can get lower there's an actual building for that in this place coal miners right miners children's building. No, I mean, there's probably not enough money in this area to have a detention center for children. Yeah.

You go to your room on detention. It's just a coal mining training facility they send you to. You're like, what the fuck? Like, let's see

who shovels the best now. All right, when you're done with that, you can have a hot dog from the VFW. That's what it is. Yeah, you get out there and train for the

Coal Olympics games next year. That's all that fucking festival is. It's just kids that are being held on murder charges, making them shovel coal to see who's good and to send down to the mine. Or any other kind of charge. Yeah. So as this is going, obviously, they appear in court and uh at a pre-trial conference cleo moves for individual questioning of prospective jurors due to all the media attention this case has received not really media attention so much but just everyone in the county has heard about this

because it's the stupidest story ever they wrote it in the newspaper oh everybody knows everybody knows about it so it's i this is one of those stories where i know it happened in the middle of nowhere and it's very under the radar and i have to tell you the amount i had to go to i have like a few different newspaper archives i couldn't find one thing in a newspaper archive until the third archive i found wow this is a court document and some newspaper archives it's's all I could find. Unbelievable. Somehow, no one cares about this. That's what I mean. This is the fucking craziest case.

Somebody could have just wrote this in a movie and not given it any credit or not bought a story and just made a movie based on this, and it would be amazing. And no one's ever heard of it. Nobody would believe it. They wouldn't believe it. I mean, it would be too ridiculous. Fuck, it was a bad movie. Danny DeVito was in it. They wouldn't believe it. I mean, it would be too ridiculous. There's a... Fuck, it was a bad movie. Danny DeVito was in it. Fuck, what was it?

Is that Eight Heads and Duffel Packs? No, no, no, no. Who is that? That's Joe Pesci. Joe Pesci, that's right. Other short Italian guy. What are you, fucking racist little asshole? Fucking...

I don't know. He's a short guinea. I don't know. Some guy that talks about... One of them hairy little fucking guineas. Unattractive short guy. One of them has marinara on his breath. I don't know

you're right though it is joe pesci and eight heads in a double bed so anyway never mind either way but uh alpha dog is like it's i mean it's a less uh hilarious story it's a little more fucked up but it just the details in that you're like this there's no fucking way this is real yeah and this is more ridiculous than that. Drowning Mona, it's called. Did you ever see it? I have seen that. Everyone drives a Yugo in that town. It's got Casey Affleck is in it.

I have seen that. What's her name? Is Bette Midler? That shit's on Amazon right now. Probably. It used to be on HBO in the early 2000s all the time. It's a piece of shit movie, but it's a murder plot of a bunch of shit movie but it's it's kind of this it's a murder plot of a bunch of idiots yeah and it's less stupid than this yeah it's way less dumb than this

is actually mona or was that uh the one with the yugos is drowning mona okay i was saying the other one uh where they kidnap the wife uh and i think that ruthless people yeah that is also danny devito that's danny devito uh bet mid is the wife. Judge Reinhold is the kidnapper. And that's a fucking great movie. Unbelievable movie. Ruthless People is a great movie. Danny DeVito hates his wife. Yeah.

He's a rich guy who hates his wife, and they kidnap her. They kidnap her to get a ransom from her rich husband, and they call him, and they're like, we got your wife. And he's like, I don't care. Right. They're like, we're going to kill her. And he's like, great. Enjoy.

Awesome. Have a good one. Yeah. I dare you. At one point, hangs up on him, and they're like, what the fuck? Calling him back. He's like, what are you doing? I said to go fucking kill her.

What's wrong with you people? Jesus Christ, you lazy fucks. He's like yelling at him. Do your fucking jobs. So good. What? So, yeah, he's the fucking best, man. So when watching on Hulu, they have Taxi.

Yeah. The old Taxi. It's fucking Danny DeVito back then. He was so great. Andy Kaufman was fucking amazing. So good. God, was he amazing on that show. So, everybody was great on that show.

I really want to believe that he's not dead. I want that so bad. No, he's dead. He's clearly dead. He's dead. But his daughter is going to keep it going. Because she's awesome, too. Well, it means something.

What a weird fucking... What a great show though andy kaufman fucking being weird and all that and danny devito being an asshole on this first first chance to be an asshole just leaning into it fantastic so he's the only guy well joe pesci too that can be like not like a sex figure and be fucking amazing oh yeah at being terrible oh yeah he's just a bad person and you you buy it and you love it and you probably got a lot of blowjobs for it oh yeah everyone loves louis de palma well he married uh carla tortelli there rhea perlman yeah that's where he met her on the show and then she died correct no she did not who am i mixing her up with the other lady on snl that lady's dead right gilda radner that's

the one there you go yeah she died in like 1978 same woman in my head okay in my head i go same person no problem it's all good either way hey eat away you know i'm talking about? I was barely alive. Jesus Christ. So the judge through all this says you can individually do some people, but not others. I don't know what kind of sort of hillbilly logic he was putting on this. But during all this, because they do the whole panel, jurors had indicated they had read about the case in a newspaper or had heard about it on television or asked

individually whether, as a result of their exposure, they had already formed opinion as to the guilt or innocence, which how would you not? How would you not? It's pretty obvious. They turned themselves in after running away from the cops with the kid poking it with a stick. I mean, Jesus Christ. So one prospective juror said, yes, they could definitely separate it and was questioned individually out of the presence of the other jurors.

And they dismissed the person from the panel. They didn't believe him. So the defense was upset about that for some reason. And the trial court also asked Cleo's counsel if he had any questions. And they said, and I quote, I'm pleased with the collection of the jury. We have no questions. So they can't bitch about that later, even though they will. So the trial starts in January of 86.

Cleo's trial. Cleo's going to go first here. Now she's charged with murder and disinterment of a human body yeah like we said the state police uh corporal charles shelton testifies that uh that cleo told him in a confession that uh um that james had quote complained about there not being any hot food on the table woke up the children and started chasing her around the kitchen with a 22 caliber rifle and a matic. You know what a matic is? I think that's a knife of some kind because there was a knife earlier.

M-A-T-T-O-C-K. Oh, that's like a Bowie style knife, like a big fucking hunting knife. Okay, that's what he was pointing around at everybody. A giant fucking knife. And then he was like, that's not enough. I better get a rifle. Knives don't scare children. Rifles scare children. So, yeah.

He also said it was at that time he kind of gave the lowdown that Dorothy came over, entered the house. Apparently, the story in court is, and the story they decide to tell the police, is that Dorothy grabbed the rifle from him and then dorothy shot him when he tried to get it back okay that's the story okay this lady comes in and wrestles a fucking gun out of his hand she's amazing that's wild and then uh dorothy said that she had the grandsons bury the bury him for in the yard out there so uh now cleo testifies in her trial um every time you keep saying that i keep seeing the lady from tv yeah miss cleo this is the psychic yeah not a not a redneck no you're not keep saying a woman that was sued for telling people bullshit that they should have known was bullshit yeah no you need to see like kirk from the whites wow the wonderful whites that's what you need sniffing a

line off of the fucking back of a sleazy west virginia bar toilet bowl that what what without her voice and the way she talks might be a beautiful hot woman but she yeah she just i don't know i sniff things off the back of the toilet and my son is he gonna be in jail soon my son's six cps took my baby and he sounds more racist than a 65 year old man you know that kid just slinging the n-word around like fucking lawn charts just throwing them all around bullseye there's not a black person to say them to but you know nobody there to offend i guess that kid is terrible that kid was the worst i can't i want to know what his rap sheet is today because it's been oh it's been 15 years that kid isn't he's a

mess he's definitely 21 he's in prison oh his mom was in and out of everything his mom depressed sorry to sidetrack on wild and wonderful whites but she was this woman was depressed that cps took her baby away when she had it because the baby had drugs in his system right because she was doing drugs while she was pregnant and she was pissed she was so mad at that and so upset that she was going to have to like prove to cps that she wasn't doing drugs and all this she's so mad at that that she had to go out and sniff fucking powder off the back of a shitty toilet bowl and they don't even tell you what it was it's presumably pills that they crushed because they're all doing pills they've been doing the whole movie because even the even the the mother yeah remember birdie makes that joke in bed when she has a stroke and she goes we're gonna

get you the medicine we're gonna make gonna sniff she, I don't want to snort no pills. And she goes, Mommy, I hate snort. Oh, and Birdie smiles like, I'm kidding, stupid. You guys snort pills. I'm calling you a scumbag. Oh, ha ha, that's right. We're scum. That's right.

Okay, sorry. I'll get you real medicine. I'm not going to make you snort no. Oh, gotcha. Gotcha. She goes, Mommy, you better. Oh. And the girl Kirk is her nickname.

Her name is nowhere near Kirk. It's like Jenny Lou or some shit. Yeah. I don't even remember her name. Doesn't fucking matter. I was just watching it just in awe with my mouth open going, why are we calling her Kirk? Is she the captain of the family? Because it's better than Sue Bob, the other one.

And her name's not even. I'm Sue Bob. I'm the sexiest of the white family. Jesus Christ. Jumping on a trampoline with her big... Look at me. If I wasn't for this disgusting head, you'd want to fuck me, wouldn't you?

That's what they all say. And she goes out to the bar, and no matter what the music is, she's dancing like a stripper. Right. She's dancing like a stripper dancing to southern hip-hop. Right.

Even if it's just, I went down to America, and Jesus loves America. And she's grinding her pussy into the air. Flopping. dancing to southern hip-hop even if it's just i went down america and jesus loves america yeah she's like grinding to the ground shaking her ass and back up like you'd be like well the guy singing it is going she's got the prettiest titties i ever seen and he does too so watch the wild and wonderful whites as yeah she got the prettiest titties i ever seen over the pa system her ass and her titties for y'all oh yeah shake her ass and her titties for y'all she got the prettiest titties i ever did sane you're like you wonder why there's only

four people listening to this music and one shirtless man playing the slot machines this is perfect well he screams racist times at a slot machine because he didn't win. Yeah, well, he calls the slot machine a porch monkey. That's like, what? Get the fuck out of here. What is wrong with these people? That is the wheel of fortune, sir.

Calm down. You are. You're yelling at Pat Sajak, sir. What is happening? Vanna's a nice lady you just called vanna white a very bad racial slur super weird so so she's on testifying cleo she's testifying uh she testifies that her mother filed fired the bullet that killed her husband because that's the story they decided to go with uh also the sons testify and they confirm it they say yep grandma done shot stepdad and all that sort of thing uh and dunkage to cleo

she said during the trial that she told her sons joey and jerry go dig up the body we gotta go get the bullet out yeah and all that sort of thing so she's admitting it and she's saying that she had her, you know, it's pretty cut and dry here. So verdict comes back. She is found guilty of disinterment of a corpse and not guilty of murder. What? Not guilty. I mean, what? Not guilty.

All right. This is the, what the fuck is west virginia so she didn't do it but she did participate in the aftermath is what she's convicted of yeah she did every she was in the middle of it but i mean if they're gonna do it but they all know i think it's one of those things where the whole jury's like we all know jimmy blah blah not that we know him but like we know what he did and he's a he probably baited him. He had it coming. I think everybody in court, that's how much of an asshole this guy is. He's punched her in the face while that band plays singing about Sue Bob's Titties.

Sue Bob's Titties. He punched her over a bottle of Jaeger and everybody saw it and they're like, that guy's going to get it one day. That boy is going to grow up and he's not going to take that shit. While he screamed, three cherries! Yeah! Woo! Everybody saw it, and they're like, that guy's going to get it one day. That boy is going to grow up, and he's not going to take that shit. While he screamed, three cherries! Woo! Take that, N-Words!

Unbelievable. That's what happened there. So I think this is just a jury everything nullification. Like, they just said, no, you're good. You're fine. So what'd she get for it? So sentencing comes around for her. Now, the judge says that he took into consideration the brutality of the act.

Also took into consideration that Cleo lied repeatedly, tried to cover up the act, and involved children in the... You know, this sounds worse when you say it like this. You involve children in the cover-up of this i mean the judge works for the state he could have spoken to the prosecutor right and been like two charges that really i mean that's not his job though i guess he's the impartial he's not telling the prosecutor to charge more shit that's on the prosecutor i suppose you wouldn't want a judge doing that jesus christ no i guess you don't but he's going in with a preconceived he works for the people is what he's supposed to be working for yeah it's played by the state yeah technically the prosecutor

works for the people too yeah that doesn't that doesn't work uh so he says you ma'am may fuck off yeah he sentences her to two to five years in prison unreal that's it uh yeah but she was getting taken to the county jail and before she is taken to the prison uh she is told that she is allowed to remain free on appeal she's going to appeal this so yeah this is fucking crazy. The judge sentenced her to two to five years in prison, and then the same judge authorized the appeal the next day and released her from the county jail on the same $50,000 bond from before. Unbelievable. She didn't even have to put up a new fucking bond. This is insanity. Yeah.

The judge said, this is Judge Summerfield, said that Cleo told the judge that she should be granted probation because she had already suffered greatly and will continue to suffer. The judge said that Cleo also, judge said that's true and also your children need you. So why don't you go take care of them? Stay the night so you know that we mean business. I mean, take a rest. I mean, it's Tuesday. It's fish stick night.

So, I mean, you can go on. Stick around for that. We got mac and cheese. You probably got a sitter for tonight. A cup of burgoo, it's Tuesday. It's fish stick night. So, I mean, you can go on. Stick around for that. We got mac and cheese. You probably got a sitter for tonight. A cup of burgoo, I would think. So, you take care of that for the night. It's movie night. Right.

It's good. You know, it's going to be nice. We're playing taxi driver tonight. You're going to like it. I have Robert De Niro taking the wall into his own hands. It's a good movie. It's a good film. We're going to sit around.

You'll be able to relate. We're going to have a discussion of pre-Renaissance literature right on after that. So it's a busy night down at the women's jail. Tomorrow you head on home and we'll start the appeal process. Oh, it's going to be lovely. So that's what she does. So she's free on appeal. So now Dorothy still has to go to court.

Now she's the one who's actually saying, I did the shooting. And so that should be a different deal here. Dorothy decides that she's not going to go through the trial. saying i did the shooting right and so that should be a different deal here uh dorothy uh decides that she's not going to go through the trial she's going to plead guilty because i feel like there's a lot of winking and nodding going on with prosecutors and judges of like we're all gonna yeah we're not going to do too much we're going to charge you with murder but if you plead to punching him in the mouth we'll give you two weeks. Yeah. And she does. She pleads to murder. She pleads guilty to digging up the body to internment and cutting out the heart and lungs.

She sat there in court and said, I wrestled a gun out of his hands. I shot him. I buried him in the yard. Had my grandsons bury him in the yard. Then when we wanted to give him a proper burial, I said I didn't want the bullet traced back to me. So I better put him up on the kitchen table in front of my grandkids. Splay him out. And cut him open like a fucking like an autopsy.

Cut him open like a trout. And take his organs out looking for the bullets. Couldn't find him. Decided to dump him over a river. Then drove away leaving my grandson behind. And by the way, I left out what we did with the lung and heart on purpose. On purpose, because I had to mash it around pretty good. That shit is gross.

There was a tenderizer involved. Let's just say that. It's very tender. It's like a veal cutlet. Like, you could make a nice parmesan with it now. Have you heard of a ninja? It's amazing. It's pretty good.

They really chop them down fine. They do. They do. They could probably make a nice salsa. Yeah. So she's going to plead guilty to to this she says all of that and then she says at the end of it quote i didn't intend to kill him i am guilty because i did shoot him though so she says that so the judge says you ma'am may fuck off yeah this is for voluntary manslaughter and disinterment wow two to five years

how much this judge has had jimmy d in his courtroom for dui public disturbance oh he's so many times this is judge this is fayette county circuit judge jay zane summerfield yeah and uh so he okay so there's a that's two to five years on one of the charges one to five years on the other charge and then he says this so and he's going to run concurrent then he says this and i quote the court is of the opinion that those sentences should be suspended he said uh he told her uh you're not allowed to own a gun uh for about five years placed her on probation for five years and said have a good one dorothy what she's released from jail on november 19th 1986 suspended sentence she has been given credit

for 55 days served she served 55 days for an admitted murder and dismemberment that has to be a record right that's gotta be the shortest that has to be the shortest ever how much of an asshole are you yeah if people murder you and then completely disrespect your corpse and they're like i mean still we was a real how much of a dick do you have to fucking be this they they more than weekend at bernie's tim oh they fucked him over so much they'd pull him in take him out drink him up throw him over the side poke him with a stick this is fucking ridiculous holy shit 55 days days fucking served. Gone home. She does that.

They said she left the courtroom crying tears of joy. Well, no shit. Fuck, Dorothy. Wow. I guess you would. Now, wow, that's just amazing. So she's in there for 55 days total, and that was like all together, like when they got arrested three years ago and when

they had to come in for a minute. It's crazy. So 1988, Cleo has her appeal. Yeah, this is she's appealing. This is a funny ass. I mean, you got to appeal. If grandma gets off for murder, you may as well give it a shot. But you're appealing now to higher courts that aren't like this little, you know, Fayette

County, you know oh we all know jimmy's a dick right let's know we're not outside of that people in roanoke that never heard of jimmy yeah well roanoke's regular virginia but yeah oh so i think was it charleston is south west virginia south virginia never mind moving on close enough so uh is it roanoke in regular virginia roanoke is in virginia okay it is definitely regular definitely not in west virginia so they montpelier that is vermont it's the capital of vermont sir i'm trying to think of capitals pierre bismarck put him on a dakota jimmy so so god damn it fuck so uh she argues first for that the disinternment charge here implies proper burial this is her argument okay look to be to to disintern someone that implies that they had a

proper burial to begin with as in a decent burial that this is their appeal he had to have been interned in the first place she argues that duncan's body was merely hidden in the ground not decently buried which hidden in the ground that's buried is buried if someone people like hide money they don't go hide it in the ground they bury it that's what you do to how do i hide in the ground well you dig a hole and then put dirt back on it isn't that burying it i guess now she's arguing with the dictionary it's semantics this is you're arguing semantics with the state of west virginia who doesn't doesn't even probably so what now who's semantic i don't know her did my son get her pregnant too shit i don't know her at all you mean semitic the jews are here what now i thought it

was zero points oh fuck the jews are coming everybody i don't know that's what i hear is so they're having semitic shit in court i don't know i don't know why this court and case has anything to do with the star of david but apparently it does she argues that it was merely hidden in the ground not decently buried therefore can't be the subject to unlawful disinterment. She said, what if I just threw it in the shed? What if I just threw it on the living room floor and then did something? That wouldn't be disinterning it. Basically, it's the same thing that 130 yards away under the ground with dirt on top of them.

Not quite the same thing. The state of West Virginia doesn't believe that as well they say if any person unlawfully disinter or displace a dead human body or any part of a dead human body so you can't just take an ear and fuck with that we which shall have been placed or deposited in any vault mausoleum or any temporary or permanent burial place there you go so that's pretty clear with the temporary or burial. If they put a headstone up, you don't have to have a headstone up for it to be a burial. He shall be guilty of a felony upon conviction, shall be confined to the penitentiary for

not less than two, no more than five years. And then they appeal that and go, this says he, not she. Exactly. Now, semantics again. I i'm gonna pull my skirt up listen here and prove it i'll prove it to you now west virginia code contains no requirement that a body be decently or lawfully buried before it can be subjected to unlawful disinterment is what the court decides rather the language any temporary or permanent burial place indicates a legislative desire not to distinguish between the types of graves, which might might be subject.

Yeah, they're not going to parse grave types. Well, he was only three. He was only three feet under the ground. That's six feet for a real grave. Chloe, it's two to five. Shut the fuck up. Yeah, you lucky asshole. That's what I'm saying.

And they said, well, and she's probably gonna get off first parole hearing, I would think. And while the hole in the backyard, they say, indeed, may have been a hiding place. It was also a burial place. You hit it by burying it. Therefore, it's buried. Now it's fucking. Now you're disinterning it. That's how it works.

Do you think this is just a lawyer trying to make more money by running the appeal system ragged? Maybe. I mean, it's a murder appeal. But at some point, you just got to be like, I two to five it's not bad that's amazing but if she wants to fucking appeal it i mean they have to want to do the two to five that's the thing so uh the burial they said became a temporary burial place only because the family decided to remove the body or recover the body and deposit in a different place so that doesn't mean that it wasn't there we find no merit in duncan's uh argument that if

any covering of a dead body with earth is a burial from which a removal is a felony then the retrieval of bodies after an underground mine disaster or the removal of bodies buried in a mass murderer's basement would be a prohibited act they literally don't be an asshole now. Oh, my God. That's ridiculous. To compare what she did, which, like I said, fuck that guy. But still, don't say... Compare that to chasing closure for loved ones. Compare that to pulling dead miners out from under a ground or removing bodies from John Wayne Gacy's basement. Those would both be... Well, we got to leave them under the house, I guess.

They're buried now. I mean, they're buried. I'm sorry. No, I know you wanted closure on your son and you wanted to have that but uh he's gonna stay here under john wayne gacy's you're gonna have to you're gonna have to visit the gacy house every birthday yeah it's right it's under the the fountain out back it's if you'd like to visit him you can go in the crawl space uh from two to four every birthday every birthday uh Every birthday. It says, the burial in this case, which involved the placement of a body after death, is different from accidents where a victim is buried alive, such as mine disasters, mudslides, and floods. Further, the removal of bodies from a basement when done by the proper authorities is distinguishable and raises a question different from the circumstance that we addressed today.

Yeah. Raises a question different from the circumstance that we addressed today. Yeah. However, the unauthorized disinterning of a body of a deceased human being is an indictable offense, both at common law and by state, regardless of the motive or purpose for which the act is done. Thus, we cannot excuse the appellant's actions on the basis of her desire to provide Duncan's body with a decent burial. Because that's her other argument is I was trying to give him a better burial. And they're like, but you did actually break the law to do that. So you can't do that.

A very above ground burial. It's a very fucking dangling. Can't get any more above ground. One foot is touching something. Eventually he'll go down. I mean, it's going to pop off. Eventually he's going to rot off his foot and the weight of it will pull him down. Wild.

Then she also argues that the state is unconstitutionally vague and fails to fully and fairly give a person notice that his conduct is prohibited. She literally said, how am I supposed to know I can't bury my husband in the yard, then dig him up and throw him over a bridge? That's literally her argument. It's vague. Sorry, but anybody could have made that mistake. I mean, obviously. She's claiming ignorance. She's claiming that it's a vague statute.

Not even ignorance. I didn't know the statute. I was aware of it, but it's vague. And I thought this was fine. I was aware of it. I interpreted it different. Yeah, I interpreted it legally different than you did. Sorry.

So the court apparently, yeah, the court's going through all this looking for, it says, quote, a criminal statute must be set out with sufficient definiteness to give a person of ordinary intelligence fair notice that his contemplated conduct is prohibited by statute and to provide adequate standards for adjudication. When he was on the kitchen table and you're about to plunge a knife into the chest, you guys went, this isn't legal, right? I think everybody got that idea at that point right we're we're going above and beyond correct right i mean at that point it's like i mean we put him in this position so really anything we do now should just be like under the charge of whatever that is yeah i mean if we

murdered him whatever we do else it's still? It's still part of it, right? Yeah. By the way, wait till you hear one of the judge's opinions on this. It's fucking as mind-boggling as the rest of the story. It's amazing. So they say, in this case, the body of James Duncan was placed in a hole in the appellant's backyard, dug especially for that purpose. He was covered with dirt and remained there for approximately 72 hours.

At the appellant's instruction,erry and joey rains remove duncan's body from the hole in the backyard for the purpose of throwing it into the river the clear and unambiguous language of the code gives a person of ordinary intelligence fair notice that the disinterment of a dead human body from any temporary or permanent burial place constitutes constitutes a felony duh yeah duh uh affirmed so the the judgment is affirmed but there is a dissenting justice what does he say this is justice neely says quote wow i dissent because it because it does not appear to me that burying a body and covering it with dirt exclusively to conceal it is the type of temporary or permanent burial place contemplated by the west virginia code

what are you saying sir okay if the appellant in this case is guilty of anything she's guilty of being a principal or accessory to homicide okay that's fair they're saying i don't think this is stupid she should be in jail for murder because she was accessory to homicide that's a different thing we're stretching the plain intent of the statute to catch the appellant in its net which may be true okay because i figured that's like one of those like look let's kind of go oh yeah murder and then we'll tell about her horrible life and how he beat the shit out of her and all this and let's we don't really care about the murder charge but we can't just let her go free so let's give her this other charge i think it was one of those for the jury let's throw the jury a bone yeah make them not have to either set her free or convict her of murder right it's arresting oj for stealing

his heisman exactly that's exactly what it is uh so he says penal statutes must direct must strictly must be strictly construed against the state and in favor of the defendant normally so that's that now uh so she gets out and she was only two to five so she's out before 1990 so amazing dorothy was fine yeah uh jerry had a shit life really jerry ended up having a shit life really gee it's weird strange a 17 year old who murders his stepfather wonder why he'd be trouble and tries to poke a stick and runs from the cops really weird that this would be yeah and if that's who mom picked right i mean you know what mean? What was that like around him and what was everybody else like? And so obviously things weren't great.

How bad did it go? Well, he was arrested in 2003 and 2004 and 2006 and 2007. So he got out for all this, obviously. Yeah. And just was arrested constantly in and out. He's like one of the whites, basically constantly in and out. And then in February 2009, Jerry Waynene rains dies at the age of 43 oh wow 43 that is way too young after being arrested a ton and just having looked 82 oh yeah who knows i mean what kind of

life he had he had to have a terrible life because that's not his fucking fault all he was trying to do is defend his mom and then he got dragged into this shit. He couldn't have said, no, mom and grandma, I'm not going to help you. I mean, he had to do what he had to do. I would have done the same thing when I was 17. If my mother and grandmother were telling me to do it, I would have done it, too. And I don't even live in the fucking hills. Right.

So I don't know. 43. 43. Unbelievable. October of 2019, just recently, Dorothy Grubb died at the age of 92. Wow. She lived another 40 years outside, happy and healthy, and 30 years- Sleeping in her own bed.

Sleeping in her own bed. Another 35 years of sleeping in her own bed. Doing just fine. Not bad. 92 and feeling not blue. Oh my God, this story is incredible it's fucking crazy and cleo is currently i think 71 years old and still alive still out there don't know where she is i mean i found her information but i'm gonna put it out there she's in that town she's out there somewhere

um you can find her i'm sure and uh she's i don't know don't fuck with her i guess no she'll bury you in the yard well now that mom's gone. Well, and the son. I mean, she's got two other sons, right? Yeah, she's got the two younger ones, too. They're older and much more capable today. Hopefully. But that is... That's a story, man.

I mean, come on. Holy shit. You do not get more of a ridiculous fucking story than that. I swear to Christ. That's insane. That is Goodfellas as fuck that is crazy and by the way if you if you uh are not a patreon listener yet patreon.com slash crime and sports the five dollar and above level will have a bonus episode this week of equal hillbillory

equal hillbillory a crazy case from right by the hills of west virginia horrible shit and included in this is a small town murder piece 3000 that's right i have scripts out jimmy's got his script in front of me i have my script murder piece theater it was small town murder piece theater 3000 did we know how much time uh he served on the on the i don't know because it was a juvenile they charged him as a juvenile right everything was he got six got six, eight months at home. Yeah, nothing was public. That's unbelievable. So we don't know what happened.

Yeah, they charged him as a juvenile, and that was that. Wow. He went to juvenile court. That's where they took him away to. So that was that, and that's them. And yeah, so that'll be the Patreon episode, by the way. Small Town Murder, Peace Theater 3000 of me and Jimmy reading. It's a crazy story attached to it, and then the man's interrogation is absolutely golden one of the crazy these people might have a cousin we'll put

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Two Portland shows and Seattle. They're all sold out. So these motherfuckers should reschedule it pretty goddamn quick. Sorry. The tickets are sold. Somebody with a fucking hundred tickets sold. They can fucking go the month after us. That's what I'm saying.

You guys have been waiting for this shit forever. And it's awesome that you guys did that for us. Thank you. Thank you for giving us that leverage. Absolutely. It does give us leverage to go, well, we're fucking sold out. So I don't know. We should get the date, I think.

So yeah. So we're working on that. It's going to be early 2021, it looks like. I don't think we're going to be able to get there this year. But early 2021 is when that's going to be rescheduled for. And all your tickets will still be good. Right. And I know December, we had Austin and Oklahoma City

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you're definitely not going to make it. Oh, you're not. Because it doesn't exist. We're not going to make it either. It is six fucking months, seven months later, as a matter of fact. If you do make it,

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I need I need you to it's long. I need to feel in my heart. Do you need something long? I need... Because I got something long. I need you to... It's long. It's a list that's so long. It's long and it's limp, though. Flaps like paper, because it is paper. Yeah.

I need the list of the best fucking people in the world, the people who keep this show going, the smart people out there. Hit me with it, Jimmy. Right now, toss me right over the bridge. This week's executive producers are Gianna DeLuca, Joseph Wysentiak, Rick and Amanda fucking Radford. That's who that is. Let's see here. Lizette Stafford, Carolyn Davis, Gina Colon, Rick Adeo, Douglas Wilson, Aileen Lorisell-Stein, Dylan Derringer, Kelly Mack, Felicity Stratton,

Jesse. No, that's Josie McGregor. Allison with no last name. Gabby McGohy, Julie Kinsey. Happy birthday to Heather Norton's son. Happy birthday. She didn't give us his name, so we get to name him. Is it Dylan?

Is it Roger? That's his name. Happy birthday, Roger. Hey, Roger. Good job. is it dylan is it uh roger that's his name happy birthday roger hey little roger good job belinda reed uh mouse celeste petty john taylor cook jan uh retch retch brunner uh angela duncan eden finnelli jennifer keelman blake almond i think that's right mandy ronning uh ariel connor david edinger uh dustin bush bush uh liam ashton amanda murphy carol braun jordan bennett tonya volanek Ronning, Ariel Conner, David Ettinger, Dustin Bush, Liam Ashton, Amanda Murphy, Carol Braun,

Jordan Bennett, Tonya Volanek, Michelle Hayes, Paul Ruest, Melissa Turner, Elizabeth Goldstein, Sabrina Jones, Pamela Sloan, the original Pamela, Martha Kirkland, Connie and Sean Young, Kristen Henderson, Jessica Fernandez, and Emily

Vasek Vasek, the sack. You guys thank you so much. Other producers this week are Graham Wilson, Lisa Stanton, Aaron Cooper, I think. Is that Cowder? Oh my, this is going to be a long day.

Lee Sims, Danielle Loveland, Thomas Smith, Kayla Dunphy, Janice Hill, Bridger Creed, CGB. Those are just letters, Jimmy. Lacey Norris, Lucy Stacy, James Marder, Brian Starr, Alex Lopez, Charmaine Varley, Jude Ellis, Eccles, Eccles. Valley, Jude Ellis, Eccles, Eccles, Tricia Ann Conley, Andrea Webster, Dustin Johnson, Ryan Sargent, Liz Vasquez, Cheyenne Gibson, Jason Bonitata, Bonitata, Ann Vogelsberger, Anna Vogelsberger. Why did my voice change? Jackie Sukup, Martina Liwalanga, Reagan Shalkley, Rebecca Stanovich, Sean, no, Shan, Susan.

What did I do? Shan Hickey, I think. Joshua Hennick, Bradley Spencer, Elizabeth Britton, Chanel Mendiola, Jude Kendall, Laura Jackson, Trinity Develbis, Brandon Ables, Carl Kushner, Russ Linderman, Kim Hodgkins, Emery McGaha, Kira Lemming, Brooke Kale, Peyton Meadows, Andrea Calkins, Tracy Renninger, Lisa Jackson, Mitch Worthington, Aaron Gerber, James Esselstyn, Susan Platt, Ashley Veal, Aaron Huff, Cheryl Horde, Gary Howard, Leroy Walker, Heather Norton, Melissa Keller, Nate Kohler, Susan Galti, Amanda Coleman, Brian Killian, Bill McClellan, Patrick Lord, Michael Hogue, Dennis O'Malley, Julia Barnes, Amanda Knight, Alana Tabarez, Pamela Ornelas, Calla Collins, Brielle with no last name, Christina Provencher. Provencher. Fucking hell.

Ah, Christ. Chelsea. Does that show? Chelsea. After the first page, he starts to fall apart. I love it. The wheels coming. He's like, I'm going to do this straight.

I'm going to burn right. I'm going to get right through him. And then by the end of the first page, he's like, I bet. They're definitely wobbling. Chelsea Bowling. Jen with no last name. through them. And then by the end of the first page, he's like, I bet. They're definitely wobbling. Chelsea Bowling. Jen would know last name. Monica Cruz. Christy would know last name.

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Hey, Claire. Fred with no last name. Chantel Hilsinger. Amanda Ferguson. M.R. Fibbs, not Mr. Melissa, Melissa Kimball, Bree. What is it? What did I do?

Renine, Renine, Renew, Renew. I think so. Aaron Hudson, Crystal Reed, Melanie Flynn, Sarah Davis, Christy Morrison, Andy Gutierrez, Jisoo Kim, Jisoo Kim, kim cat eye or cat one i don't know what that was i i wrote that weird lance danger candace with no last name charles with no last name everett hampton joanne h mark langulis uh kaylee deal uh chrissy kujis krista jilson uh ellis ellis martin kristin wilkins victoriaix, nope, Annie B. with no last name. That's just a B.

Amanda Arroyo, Julie Zaniboni, Jeffrey Ault, Georgina Johnson, Amy Eichardt, Kel McDonald, Adam Campbell, NC, Megan with no last name, Mouse with no last name joey malau uh danny no dan wenzel uh maya creephill creful crefield crefuffle yep karen hamrock amaria no amira amaria it is amaria ah maria holloman lindsey panna what the pfanna steel no probably not missy hoover uh jennifer Pafana Steele? No? Probably not. Missy Hoover? Jennifer Lamb? Autumn Chapman? Jennifer Lamb is so easy. Thank you, Jen. That's a nice one. Zinti Loveless?

Diane with no last name. Christina Rittenhour? Joseph Lacrono? No. Nick Castle? Brandon Shepard? Danny Parton? Elizabeth Campbell?

Mackie Hempel? Scott Bradford? Jordan Selmer? Daniel Perry? Jenny Smith Fisk, Riot Mom. Oh, that's easy. Riot Mom. Hey.

Abby Temple, Noah Davis, Aaron Rulker. Oh, shit. Jennifer, no, Georgia, Tuma, Kate Van Brussel, Sarah Center, Abby Temple. I said that. Tish Wellis, Josie Pringle. no, Prince, that's what that is, John Douglas, Paige Winters, Dan, no, Dave Cohen, Rachel Palouse,, no, Hasek Watt, that's two last names, Megan McKinnon, McKibbin, Alfred Jensen, Matthew Richardson, Dan Kaufman, Chris Kennedy, Amanda Marie, Glenn with no last name, Erica Kalin, Chris Kennedy, Chris with no last name, Daphne June, Glenn with no last name. I said that. Robert Alacinia?

Nope. Sadie's Windsheimer, Billy Bob Baker, Jamie Grafton, Angela, Summerlot, Linda M., Nikki Boo Boo, Chrissy McDonald, Dina Landman, Morgan Schultz, Ryan Lofing, Jesse Rotz. Oh, boy. Jesse Rotz? Yeah. Dina Landman. Morgan Schultz. Ryan Loffing. Loffing. Loafing. Jesse Rotz. Oh, boy. Jesse Rotz? Yeah.

Last one was loafing, and this one's rotting? Rotting and loafing. Jesus. Marina Buell. Yeah. Marina Buell. Kendall Lennon. Austin Cugendale.

Shit. Claire Nelson. Heather Aswale. Aswale. Oh, Waze. Sarah Harrington. Veronica Manning. Cody with no last name, Jessica Hedelen, probably not, Nicole Breyer, Heather Briggs, Bonnie Hunt, Nicole and Ashley Thompson, Nikki Carr, Laura Burton, Raymond Smith, Edward Possible That's not it either. Derek Kotlowski. Eric Simmons. Sophia with no last name.

Aaron Simon. Adam Simon. Jesus. Stacey Judd. Allison Bennett. Alexander Michael Biesenford. Brittany McDonald. Ashley Yervis.

Rosca Piorator. Yikes. Rosca Piorator. Rosca Piorator. Duck Hunter uh that's probably not real right duck no duck hunter no probably not amy paulson i wish it was thomas cristo bridget a juliana wolf britney alvis melanie darcy kaylee atwood uh katrina leibowitz brett stoker uh kendall kendall kendis cadence zelenia uh virginia string fellow uh ache no asic prick what is that rollins is their last name asicic no allison ray re rye uh darwin uh darwin heron uh craig rustin sar Sarah Acosta, Dustin Howlett, Mark Rebel, William Rice,

Ryan Kane, Kim Wilkening, Cheryl Malone, Alyssa Taylor, Jessica Fior, Will Taffet, Caitlin Blythe, Nancy Baca, Tim Waller tony with no last name michael dickinson uh sarah slusher of the uh slush puppy fortune sada with no last name sean daly krista furr abishaw uh courtney pearson kim payton cam payton uh whitney rob, Matt Reyes, Susan Anderson, Melissa Tremont, Marla with no last name, Richard Bissette, Jenny McCulley, Erica Kimberly, Caitlin Hallstrom, Connor Watson, Sarah Sparks, Bailey Cohen, Kelly Ruan, Heather Duffy, Quentin Rowland, Sean Condon, Rose Jarman, Alex St. Vincent, Lily Bensley, Sarah Smith, Ciara Homey, Shari Heiler, Justin Wiersma, Tammy Jurak, Devin Silva, Emma DeLong, Matt Koch, Jack with no

last name, Kate Brown, Sean with no last name, Kathleen Kaliher. Get to page four it's matt cock he doesn't even care anymore carolina nunez pacheco uh mandingo milker what is that what the fuck no way that's the best name mandingo milker that's what i wrote that is that's amazing unbelievable is that really what somebody... Merck. M-E-R-K. That's much better. That doesn't say... Dingo Milker.

I'm a bad writer, but I made it awesome. Kathleen Kelleher, Mackenzie Johnson, Michael Keenan, Brent Tyler, Maggie Beck, Ellie with no last name, Angela Bazemore, Roxanne Cooper, Patrick Sparks, Kelly with no last name. Crystal Winfrey, Ashley Henderson, Jamie Ulrich, Jose, no Jose Del Rio, Chelsea with no last name. Ronald Ross, Kate Lovell, Pennell

with no last name. Sydney Dodson, Jaretta McDermott, no, Murdenovich. How do you get both of those, Jimmy? Erica Hernandez, Ryan Milligan, Kyle with no last name, Emma Verm, Tyler Sloan, Drew Griffin,

Cameron Preeby, Prybe, Hannah Orme, Heather Duffy, Damian Cloder, Georgette King, Jennifer with no last name, Joseph Berg, Samantha Blythe, Mark Swim, Trevor Richards, Lauren Hoffman, Travis Wood, NC, Jessica McGunnigle,

Alan with no last name, Emma Vierm, Erica Hernandez, Tyler Sloan, Drew Griffin, Joan Weipert, Donald LeBue, Dan Montcom, Natalie Hostoski, Caitlin Granger, Brad Cole, Brent Wilcox. You're damn right he will. Homestretch. Homestretch. The last page. Brian Cotton, Vincent Wary. Ryan D is a bald-headed prick and loves to suck on ball sacks.

Love Blair Bodner. I mean, if he loves to suck on ball sacks, that's... I mean, we've got to talk about it. Are they bald ball sacks? I'm not sure. He is. Grace Gaglione, Will Mozingo, Sarah Pignotti, Matt Napolitano, Pat Stockdale, Joe DeSantis, Vincent Weary, I think I said that, Jessica Chadwick, Justin Gerdes, Tanner Feltz, I don't

know what he felt, Jody Fleming, Taylor, Tyler Hickey, uh, Anamala and mall, Anamala, Anamala, Maldonado. Wow. That's a fucking rough. Anamala's Anadu. That's it. Uh, Julia Ritchie, uh, Erica Frazier, Kristen Hoover, uh, Autumn Wersher, uh, Sean Dimmick, Don Smith, KS Amelia with no last name, Ralph Heil, no

fucking way. Joey with no last name, Little Paper Forest, Paige Sunderland, Sonia Suter, Jake with no last name, Jen Lee, Stephanie Davidson, Sarah Bornman, Piper V, Lindsay Fina,

Jesse H, Ramina B, Ramona B, Scott Frazier, Krista McCownell, Tiffany Aday, Dan Pudlowski, Jesse H, Beth Story, Kyle Koenig, Molly Waltz, Joseph Tellegen, Scott Moorhead, Darnell Adams, Brian Gutween, Max Hutchison, Kyle with no last name, Jordan with no last name, Danielle with no last name, Chris with no last name, McRaeves, Pat Page Lewis, Julie Jones, Robert Furecht, that feels weird, Aaron Fitz, Sam Marshall, Kim Flutterman, Douglas McGound, Christina Billy, Chad Riley, Alex with no last name, Crystal Kramer, and all of our goddamn Patreon donors. You're amazing. Thank you so much. Thank you.

Thank you, everybody. Honestly, man. You guys are the best. It's really. Watching that list grow to what it is today from day one, it's amazing. It's wild, man. You guys are incredible. When we first signed up for Patreon, we were like, no gonna give us any fucking money and then like we i remember at one

point it was like 60 and we were like cool i'm gonna eat today i was like i can i can buy note cards and shit like show supplies for it and so just thank you guys for always for hanging in there with us and for listening to us and for spreading the word and uh continue to spread our word like i said in any other podcast you listen to spread their word as well it really it really is a good thing it's this is a free something that this doesn't come around very often to have a not this show i'm talking but to have this free platform with people working hard and doing all this to put a show out for you and not just that's a lot that's podcast that's the whole industry right not free just terms of monetary but also in terms of nobody fucking tells us what to do except you guys we love that free total no

network telling anybody what to do and we don't we've stayed independent there's a lot of people out there that are and there's like if we wanted to join there's a bunch of networks out there if we wanted to be on those networks they promote you more and shit like that but we don't want to be apart we want to stay very independent so like the net yeah the network we're worth doesn't say shit about us right they don't promote us either but they don't fucking say shit about us to us either so it's like they're not trying to talk us into being a clean show or to break it up into four sections to maximize ad revenue or disgusting bullshit like that like we've had in the past with the network so the the moving the fucking cup with the ball in it yeah and you got three fucking shells i don't want that or telling us ad rates and then going oh no we changed our minds you're getting less

money than that or bullshit like that oh and then you know what i know that we told you that we're gonna pay you but we're actually not we're gonna get you in like six months yeah six months come around you know give it can you give us six more can you give us 90 days of 180 make it 180 so fuck that yeah not anymore anyway which is good but that's because of you guys and we want to keep it because of you guys the that way and never let anybody fuck with it or touch it besides us so thank you for allowing us to do that and what if they wanted to thank you jimmy how do they get a hold you can find me at wisman sucks whisman sucks on twitter instagram and uh You can find me at WismanSucks, W-H-I-S-M-A-N Sucks on Twitter, Instagram, and Facebook's Jimmy Wisman, but it doesn't matter because I have too many friends.

It's all full. What about you? Where can they find your pages? You can find me at Jimmy P is funny, or just copy and paste my name from the show description on there and all the places. Yeah, Facebook, I'm full. Actually, I have to accept a few requests because I just deleted 10 people because of their stupid politics yesterday.

I couldn't take it anymore. I was going through my list going, oh, you're dumb. Click. Gone. Oh, you're a moron. See you later. Like, you're never going to say anything of value. And I don't just mean any political opinion I don't agree with.

Particularly extra stupid ones where I'm like, if you're dumb enough to think that, nothing you ever say will be of any value. Not think, but believe. You're that stupid. I would never believe anything you said because you're dumb clearly so i like to go through my friends list from time to time and it's when i have like i don't know 20 30 minutes and you can scroll through all your friends and find the ones that have deactivated their facebook and goodbye goodbye don't need you goodbye and i got rid of like 40 that's great and then just i gotta do that had like a fucking uh a stampede of new

friends and it felt great fucking beautiful i love it yeah thank you except listeners and dump our old comic idiot friends i did that that feels great so good it does to see somebody that has a shitload of local comic friends yeah and then to see that i have very few uh uh mutuals with them anymore yeah gutturally i I smile. It feels good. And by the way, comics who never made a fucking dime anyway doing comedy, stop complaining about that you can't fucking do comedy.

The people that worked there that served the drinks actually made a living off that place. They can complain. You don't have a place to go sit and fucking dick off and drink with your friends a couple nights a week.

Shut the fuck up. You were worthless and taking up space anyway. Day 42 of no stage. Shut the fuck up. You were worthless and taking up space anyway. Day 42 of no stage. Shut the fuck up. Eat dicks, sir. Try to reschedule sold out theater shows

then fucking complain to me, assholes. Use those 42 days to write some jokes. And celebrities, stop making podcasts. Cocks, get out. That said,

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