Small Town Murder - #170 - An Attempted Suburban Vampire Cult in St. Cloud, Minnesota

Episode Date: May 7, 2020

This week, in St. Cloud, Minnesota, a troubled pair of brothers end up renting a run down house that becomes a magnet for runaway teens, troubled adults & even whatever drifter wanders through. One of the brothers decides that this is the perfect opportunity to start a vampire cult. He sort of succeeds, as a murder does happen, but it's the most bumbling murder committed by the undead, in history! Along the way, we find out that drifters make terrible roommates, that vampire cults are more easily accomplished in movies, and that you should always be careful of exactly what blood you're drinking!! Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman New episodes every Thursday! Donate at: patreon.com/crimeinsports or go to paypal.com & use our email: [e-mail] Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder & Crime In Sports! Follow us on... twitter.com/@murdersmall facebook.com/smalltownpod instagram.com/smalltownmurder Also, check out James & Jimmie's other show, Crime In Sports! On iTunes, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts# See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Okay. From the hills, boy. I mean, we're coming from 300 and something people town up in the hills. There's a helicopter and planes don't even land here. No. Good God, no. Roads are dirt. We were basically in like a Dukes of Hazzard episode, except with crazier people than the

Duke boys. But this week, we're going to Minnesota, kind of suburban Minnesota. The town's a little larger than we normally do. It's very close to what we normally do back when this murder happened in 1988, but right now it's a little bit bigger than we normally do. But we'll talk about it. St. Cloud, Minnesota. Bust through this quick.

It's in central Minnesota, right smack in the middle there. It's about an hour to Minneapolis, about two hours and 40 minutes to Fargo north dakota the other direction yeah and about two hours and 40 minutes to white earth minnesota which was episode 123 which was june of last year my word i think that was what like a the forest ranger was in charge of a murder investigation or some crazy shit that was a game warden game warden a game warden was running the murder investigation we're like what is happening there's multiple people dead this guy is not qualified to or some crazy shit. It was a game warden? Game warden. A game warden was running the murder investigation. We're like, what is happening?

There's multiple people dead. This guy is not qualified to do this. And since then, my inbox has been flooded with people saying he has more jurisdiction than anyone. Terrific. Jurisdiction or not, I don't think he's trained in murder. He shouldn't be running a homicide investigation. That's a specialty.

It's a specialty. I'm sorry. It's not going to work. Who's been poaching deer in off-season is not the same as who killed Billy and Tommy and Susie and left them in the woods. If they're dead, keep them out of there. If Yogi Bear is slaughtered, bring the game warden in. We'll bring the game warden in.

This up here, it's area code 320. Tons of zip codes to this spot. It's about 40 square miles, this town. It's a big town. And our crime happened kind of just out on the outskirts of town motto of this town it's the granite city it's not really a motto they just call it the granite city lots of mining there well yeah we'll get into that there's a lot of granite mining got it and um yeah it's as boring as you'd expect

pretty much countertops and fucking tiles let's do it here it was indigenous people obviously were here for thousands of years the europeans came there was the ottawa tribe the winnebago tribe oh yeah came in their large vehicles which scared the early settlers it did when you see a winnebago coming at you in like 1645 it's frightening i'm not gonna lie so they're a little bit taken aback but they ended up making friends. In the name of their buffalo. Yeah, they popped the sides out and they had a barbecue and everybody got along. And that was the first Thanksgiving.

So, yeah. Minnesota. Slide out Winnebago. Yeah, you know, they popped the sides out. They have those canopies that go over. It's very nice. Table's collapsible. Turns into a bed.

It's amazing. It's a tryptophan. It gets a hold of you. You can tuck it into the wall if you want. So Minnesota was organized as a territory in 1849, and St. Cloud in this area was opened up in 1851 after treaty negotiations with the Winnebago. No kidding. So yeah, the Winnebago said, fine, if you'll buy three vehicles, we'll give you a piece

of land. Those are expensive so that's how it worked there jesus so uh john wilson was a maine native and uh he named it after saint cloud which was the paris suburb where napoleon had his favorite palace he was a big napoleon buff this guy yeah so he liked napoleon there you go so that's why it's called that uh it was just a kind of a way station for a while and train cars would come through with ox carts and shit like that for a long time you know it wasn't anything it was just kind of a mid stop off between places and until about 1856 it was incorporated it's incorporated in three very distinct settlements

back then they had upper town middle town lower Town, and they had different people in them, basically. Like, Middle Town was mainly Catholic German immigrants and Lowry, who was a slaveholder and trader from Kentucky, who brought slaves with him, even though Minnesota was a free territory. He brought slaves anyway. It's like, that's all right. I'll bring my guys. He's like, fuck it. I don't care. Yeah.

He's like, just marched up there. No mask on. Big thing of slaves. He's like, fuck it. I don't give a shit. Let's go so uh that's like going from oregon crossing over into idaho and bringing all your weed and being like it's legal it's fine right i know it's like going to fucking you know no no way nothing's legal in

idaho except being in militia it's the only thing fucking legal there in mormonism so mohawk and yeah we know that so uh yeah this guy ended up being on the territorial council even was elected as saint cloud's first mayor in 1856 so okay with the slaves with the slave yeah total dick they elected a mayor and so another woman had an abolitionist newspaper she came in from pittsburgh and basically her whole newspaper was attacking this guy as an asshole. Hilarious. Which was fucking hilarious. Yeah.

At one point, this Lowry organized a committee of vigilance, is what he called it, that broke into the newspaper office and threw her press into the Mississippi River, which is, you know, that's terrorism. Yeah, that's that's that's the 1856 version of fake news. That's what that was. They just could throw your, you know. He's the mayor. He's decided this is fake news, and he's going to throw the fucking printing press into the river.

There's a freedom of fucking press, though. Oh, yeah, yeah. There's also no slaves. Right. That's a good point. This guy just does what he wants. He's enslaving men, throwing a fucking press into the river. I don't think that's a secondary offense, Stu.

I own people. That's fucking worse. Please don't isolate that sound. By the way of me just saying, I own people. That's not good. I don't need that in my life, probably. I wish I could just drop that in from time to time. I own people.

I wish I could just drop that in from time to time. I own people. So the Supreme Court's 1857 decision, though, in the Dred Scott case, ruled that slaves could not file freedom suits as well as declaring the Missouri Compromise unconstitutional. So the territory's prohibition against slavery became unenforceable. So he just was going to keep his slaves. And then it ended up being he was allowed to because they couldn't the civil the supreme court was a little a little different back then finding loopholes for that shit yeah so but all the most of the southern people that were in saint cloud when the civil war broke out all left to go for and they took their slaves with them so that

was kind of a uh you know that sort of thing so then this lowry guy this is great he was a dick for all that time then he uh the civil war happened they you know his side lost right and then he died in 1865 just long enough to see his side lose though so just to see everything go and then he dropped dead i would have liked him to live a couple more years just to rub his nose in it a little bit really feel the really feel the sting. No, you can't own people anymore. I'm sorry. So there's a lot of granite quarries in the area that opened up in the 1880s. That's why it's called the Granite City.

In 1917, a guy named Samuel Pandolfo started the Pan Motor Company in St. Cloud. And he claimed that Pan Cars would make St. Cloud the new Detroit, but then it didn't because this was right before World War I. So all the car-making efforts went into World War I. All the materials went somewhere else, and he couldn't make it. Yeah. He got this site because it was close proximity to iron ores, and there was also railroads around here and everything like that.

But he ended up being arrested multiple times, this guy, to iron ores and there's also railroads around here and everything like that uh but the uh he ended up being arrested uh multiple times this guy it was a complaint uh the associated advertising clubs of minneapolis which was the better business bureau forerunner lodged a complaint with the state that he was spending more on promotion than minnesota permitted and then they looked into him and uh he he is indicted on counts of using the mails to furtherance a scheme of to defraud and uh yeah he ended up being acquitted a couple times but then he's later convicted and imprisoned for attempting to defraud investors white collar crime so yeah white collar crime so yeah this this was like the original ponzi scheme

guy well not original but he's just a american term a run-of-the-mill Ponzi scheme guy. But for this town, he was the big Ponzi scheme guy here. I found some reviews of this town. Now, there's a lot of good reviews of this town, but those are fucking boring. Nobody likes that. Nobody likes those. Let's talk about some bad reviews of these towns. I like to figure out what the people's beef is.

That's my favorite. Tell me the gripe let's do it here's one no stars title not so great uh-huh that's pretty okay uh quote i've lived in saint cloud for 15 years and since then it's changed a lot growing up as a kid there was not much to do but get into trouble there is not much of anything for teenagers growing up well it sounds like it didn't change very much then she just said it changed a lot or he i don't know it took a while for it to change yeah ariel it's a it's a woman past ariel's teen years apparently yeah now that i have a family it's difficult because there's not many things to do with my five-year-old even we're moving to california the weather here has become terrible has become terrible how long when

was it right fucking central minnesota okay i've been there in the winter it's terrible it's just terrible there's no the way it is last winter it could go it could it would get to negative 30 for a week yeah sounds like you live in the tundra what do you expect you're in almost canada yeah what do you want talking about that's where that's why we don't live there it's very nice there and the people are nice, but we're like, it gets real cold here in the winter. I'm going home. Stuff, stuff. That means stuck indoors all winter long if you do not do winter activities.

Yes. The racism is insane and not a good place to raise a child. Okay. Now there's two stars here. Lots of crime is what this person says. Quote, a stabbing happened at a local mall. That happens from time to time. I would not recommend the school district either.

Anything about stabbings or nothing? Just talking out of your ass. I heard about bullying in the schools, too. Not bullying. The kids are bullying them there. Well, we should put together a task force for this particular area because we've eradicated bullying in 99% of the districts. This is one.

It could pop up as a hot spot for bullying, so we really got to get everything into it, I think. What do you think? Jesus. Yeah. Bullying's not good, but it's also what happens in schools because kids are dicks. Maybe get your kid to bully back a little bit. Kids are dicks.

The world belongs to bullies. Then I would not recommend living in this city. Unfortunately, that's true. Not that we're saying that's good. No.'s see here here's another one no stars uh culturally devoid racially intolerant i've lived in saint cloud for over 20 years the population has more than doubled in that time and the area population has easily tripled in that time uh cuisine options include american italian chinese and mexican and nothing else all capital letters the closest thing to a quote good restaurant is the olive garden or red lobster which is sad

considering the metro population on the top on the complete lack of on top of the complete lack of culture is the openly racist and homophobic dialogue that has become has apparently become acceptable amongst this city's inhabitants are they just yelling in the streets yelling racial slurs in the seats streets of minnesota that sounds so strange doesn't that sound out of character for minnesota for minnesota it's just weird i've been there it's very they're nice to homeless people there like i'm so sorry that i don't have any change the homeless guy i'll go that's okay god bless you thank you and walk away i'm like what the fuck is this nobody spit on anybody yeah let's see here uh i'm a straight white middle

class male and i'm disgusted by the xenophobic attitude that that's become the status quo in this city if you are racist uh if you if you are racist hate somalians which on a side note a person from somalia is called a somali not a a Somalian. Towelheads and, quote, fags, you will absolutely love St. Cloud, Minnesota. So that's this guy. He's really, wow. Apparently, it's basically, I don't even know how to fucking describe. It's what, like Mississippi 1961 here? Like, you know, Mississippi burning era fucking south here is what he's talking about you

know minnesota the the homeless people do kind of uh expect a little more out of you because of how nice people are there i donated the they're so nice the leftover of my dinner to a lady and her child on the street and the lady looked up at me and goes i was hoping for a room and i was pardon a room you wait hold on what you want me to give you 60 or more dollars yeah that's gave you some food are you out of your fucking mind but i don't know i how about you eat tonight and worry about where to sleep later i had a kid that looked like a straight gangster go oh excuse me i'm sorry when we almost ran into each other so i was just like what excuse me sir he literally that's just oh excuse me i'm sorry

and i was like oh yeah i don't mind i'm sorry about that and i was like that was the most polite exchange fucking exchange sorry you dropped your gun it was very weird yeah would you like to buy some crack well i don't know i'm not really in the market right now it was very polite uh in 2007 forbes magazine called saint cloud minnesota it was on their best small places for business and careers. It was number 67, whatever that's worth. Have the pleasure of your wallet. Have the pleasure of your wallet, sir. No, here, take mine, actually.

Gangsters give you money. They give you their wallet. So do you need anything? So since population right now is about 67 000 so it's high yeah but we're around the time we were when this murder happened it was about 45 000 so it's still pretty small because it's out kind of by itself so it's still not a this is not a metropolis it's a fucking small city that's in the middle of place here and uh much more of a small town you feel a little while ago the it's a college town. Really? So there's a college here, yeah.

So that's going to skew a lot of the numbers. Which college is it? I think it's St. Cloud University. Oh, that makes sense. Well, it could have been like a Minnesota State, whatever the fuck. You don't know what the hell it is. You really rammed that one right back up my ass, didn't you? St. Cloud University.

I think a big dummy. I could be completely wrong. That's just what I think I read. But it doesn't really matter. So there's a little more males than females here, which is not normal. Also, the median age is under 30. It's about 29 and a half. So that's low.

16,000 college students here. So that's 50,000 residents, 16,000 college students. You get rid of the college, and this is bleak. It's a different place. Yeah, and the college is all concentrated in one area and then it's the suburban town otherwise so uh married populations low all that kind of shit is low just because of that uh we have like single with no children is higher than normal college stuff right uh race of this town 79 white uh 12 black which is just about average in the country which is is high for Minnesota, you would think.

I don't know. Kirby Puckett must be buried there. Maybe they count him. I'm not sure. The college, yeah. 3.2% Asian, which Minneapolis has a very high Asian population. Does it? Oh, absolutely.

I think we've talked about that before. Yeah, huge, huge Asian population. And about 3% Hispanic. So, you know, it's pretty, a little bit of diversity, but it's also pretty white. Essentially Prince's jeans. It's Prince. Yeah. In a nutshell.

Yeah. If this town was a person, it'd be Prince. Very talented. Tiny and very talented. Shreds. About 51% of the people here are religious, which is actually higher than the average, which you wouldn't expect with the college students. Mostly there's Catholics, Lutherans.

They mix it up up there. Hodgepodge of Christians. It's a hodgepodge of white Christianity up there. It's no problem. 0.0% Jewish, though. That's not going on. None of that's happening here. 0.0% LDS.

Really? No LDS. They haven't even... I'm surprised. Yeah. We know where it snows. It's snowy. That's what I mean. They can blend right in, and the next thing you know, there's't even... I'm surprised. Yeah. We know where it snows. It's snowy, yeah. That's what I mean.

They can blend right in, and the next thing you know, there's 12 of them on your lawn. I'm just building a snowman. Yeah, they're just out there. Telling you the good news. You don't even see them coming. They're just so white. They're blending. This county here, this town is in three different counties, so it's a weird thing.

But the whole area, this little area, is pretty conservative. Last election, this area voted about 59% Republican, 32% Democrat, 8% Independent, which is pretty high. Unemployment rate here is about normal for the rest of the country. It's under 4% for now. And median household income is a little bit low, though. Normally, it's about $57,500. Here, it is $46,601. So a little bit low, but not terrible.

A lot more $20,000 to $40,000 incomes than normal. Okay, that's college kids. College kids. There's a lot under $15,000. That's kind of the college crowd. And then, I don't know, a little lower income. But yeah, cost of living is low. Median home cost here is $151,800. Yeah of living is low uh median home cost here is 151 800 which is low

and that's a low it's normally 237 in the rest of the country well-built house too it has well yeah it has to be or else the snow will cave it the fuck in jesus that's what i mean renters make up because it's a college now renters make up 43 of the population so that's why it's easy to buy houses for cheap, because everyone's renting. And it makes the rent go sky high, too, when they do that. Yep. High rent and low, and it is the two-bedroom rental here. We'll talk about in a second when we get into the St. Cloud, Minnesota real estate report.

state report your average two-bedroom place here rental whatever is about 1200 bucks which is about the national average which is uh it should be low because the housing costs are low i found here a three-bedroom two-bath 1440 square feet needs some work on the inside. It's not all updated and white countertops and all that stuff. But it's 1,440 square feet, three bedrooms, $79,900. It's a deal. It's not bad. That's a good house for the price. Then I found this. This is a good bang for your buck here.

If you've got a nice family or looking for a place, five bedroom, three bath, 2,137 square feet. Nice. Doesn't need anything. Very nice, 179,900 bucks. My goodness. Move in ready, 2,100 square feet. If you can stomach an hour each way to Minneapolis, Not bad. You'll be thriving.

That's not, or if you work at the college or something. I found a six bedroom, four bath, 4,052 square foot. Almost a T-bowl for every b-hole but it's brick it's nice too it's really nice it's brick yard is nice back to the woods $360,000

which is not bad for a huge house that's a pretty good deal I would say somewhere else that's gonna what would you say bargain James here that is a million dollar house in phoenix which isn't the most expensive real estate market even in la that's uh what eight million dollar house probably you'll never afford it just uh the the

bill on the house alone you what you can't pay for and then the tax is an upkeep it's insane crazy so things to do in this town oh i found some stuff uh number one granite city days 2020 as of right now it's still on june 25th through 28th it'll be canceled and uh we have a few things going on here minnesotans really like to get out in the summer because they do they have they have a very quick window they go outside look around go hey bobby come outside turn back and it's snowing. Fuck. You missed it. Put your baseball glove back inside. Get the football.

Bobby, you lazy fuck. Shit. Get the hockey stick. It's all frozen now. It's all frozen. I know it's August 18th, but it's frozen. I don't understand either. Here's some activities that day.

The Lemonade Art Fair. Yay. The Beaver Island Canoe Trip. Hell yeah. Everybody come on over to Beaver Island. yeah everybody come on over to beaver i hey come on over to beaver island come on who's coming hey sausage and peppers on me if you know what i'm talking about beaver island's open everybody oh who's coming to beaver island jesus christ wow that sounds like a great place if you're single beaver island canoe trip

there'll be guys canoeing out there fucking hard and balls i only need one oar fucking cruising i got this dick for one side and his oar for the other beaver island where you think i'm going we're gonna spread those thighs like coronavirus. Oh, baby. The Civil Air Patrol breakfast. Yeah. I don't know if they're eating while flying. Keep that down. The GCD 5K run. Bring a kid fishing day.

Oh. Bring a kid fishing. That sounds rapey. It does. Bring a kid to a desolate location where no one can hear him scream. Go be alone with him on a boat. Go be alone with him. It's nice.

Just you and a kid fishing. That's right. The Fred Huron Family, Fred Huron Showcase. I don't know what that is. Then there's the Medallion Hunt. And yeah, there's a medallion hunt. What's that? Apparently, daily clues will be published each morning in a newspaper.

And then these clues will take players to various city parks the four and a half inch granite medallions hidden on park property in one of saint cloud's 96 parks no climbing or digging is required on the back of the medallion are instructions for calling to alert organizers that's been found the prize for finding it's 500 so i don't know why you get 500 you get 500 drawing for no you get 500 if you find it one for there's only one oh okay so everybody's looking for it killing each other so someone's gonna stab somebody for this somebody's a dick for sure and has found it and just hung on to it i'm keeping it yeah it's mine now winning lotto ticket you hang on to it till the last day also

the saint cloud singing competition will be there and then finally the minnesota bluegrass festival oh baby yeah ricky skags and kentucky thunder will be the headliners get out they got kentucky thunder oh shit you know man i swear i've heard of ricky skaggs though you've heard of boz skaggs that's what i've heard not ricky skaggs this is his cousin ricky who's no good. You've heard Lido? That's what you've heard. You haven't heard Ricky Skaggs. Is that Ricky Skaggs and Kentucky Thunder? Are they one unit or are they separate?

I think it is. Ricky Skaggs and Kentucky Thunder's his band. Right. Sometimes he does solo work and it's just Ricky Skaggs. I'm part of the Thunder backing up the Skaggs. Don't worry about it. It says, Ricky Skaggs and Kentucky Thunder will be headliners, and would you believe, we've already got tickets on sale.

Well, holy shit. At the time of you reading this, they've been on sale. They might be sold out now. I'll be a G-Raf's titty sucker. What the fuck is that? You know you're coming, so why not get your tickets for this fantastic festival? Not only are we expecting Ricky Skaggs and Kentucky Thunder, we've already booked Doyle Lawson and Quicksilver. Who's that?

Dwight Yoakam from Sling Blade. His name was Doyle. It was. And Monroe Crossing and the Clay Hess Band. Fuck this show, Jimmy. gotta go bye everybody i'm going to see the clay hess band and skaggs kentucky thunder it's hilarious that they are writing that as if we've all heard of that running away you know you're going wow this guy whoever wrote this his ipod is thrilled about it oh man this is a fucking

disaster i can't believe i got my whole playlist to show up and clay has no property crime in this town here uh property crime is high which a lot of college time towns it's high a lot of car thefts and shit like that breaking into kids in the weekends exactly vagrancy acting like idiots pissing in the streets right so it's like almost double property crime actually it's high but violent crime murder rape robbery and assault the mount rushmore of crime is exactly average like to the t exactly average so this is a pretty average kind of town we'll say here that said let's talk about a very not average murder right shall we it's all a light-hearted nightmare on our podcast, Morbid.

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This is a fucking weird one. Let's just say here, you know what? I'm not going to say that anymore. From now on, assume it's fucking weird one. Let's just say here. You know what? I'm not going to say that anymore. From now on, assume it's a weird one. This is one of ours. I was going to say, this is episode 170. How many real just basic run of the mills have we had? There's always something weird.

There's always somebody who thinks they're from another planet or they're starting a religion. Eating birds like apples know eating birds like eating birds like like like a fucking hand fruit this is not normal yeah this is not normal behavior this is what we encounter here and we encounter this this fits right into the lexicon let's do this march 24th 1988 um March 24th, 1988. Police find in the Mississippi River, just south of St. Cloud at Riverside Park. There's a park called Riverside Park. And just kind of downstream from that, they find a man floating in dead, floating in icy, broken up waters.

Because it's March in Minnesota. So it's been frozen. But it's the Mississippi, so the banks are kind of frozen, but the middle flows. The sip real goes. It goes. So they find this man. He is cut up very badly. His throat is slit.

Cut in the ice. He's in bad shape. He fell. That's a real... That is icicles. We'll take your eye out. They'll also slice your throat yeah and and all sorts of other beatings this man has been through the ringer and uh so they're

curious obviously about what caused this they're trying to identify this man and uh that said let's keep that in mind that's march 24th 1988 that that hovering over everything and let's talk about a few people in this town let's talk about some young people all right Let's talk about a few people in this town. Let's talk about some young people. All right. Let's talk about a guy named Timothy Michael Erickson. So a little Timmy Erickson here. Now, Tim Erickson, he is born in 1969. So in 1988, when this body's found, he is 18 years old, hasn't turned 19 yet.

He's just 18 years old. He also has a brother, Mark Erickickson who's a year older than him and they're kind of um they hang out together they're they come from a shit environment as we'll talk about a real shit white trash environment and they uh continue that yeah they take that as an example and they go that's how i'm gonna live my life it's trashy as i can that there is some of a somewhat of a badge of honor to it there is it does feel kind of kind of hilarious to to like chug uh milwaukee's best yeah you're like this is what did it and then after a while it's just a habit now it's not really ironic

anymore and now you need it now if i don't shotgun six of these before work i shake all day you're like thank god these are 359 a 12 pack this is terrific wow thanks dad for being a require it a cheap alcoholic right because you've really shown me well so uh 1988 comes along like we said his older brother mark is 19 tim is 18 and they're sharing an apartment at this time and they've the last couple years for them have been they've just been a disaster as far as their delinquency. They're they're uncontrollable. And the fucked up part is it doesn't seem like their parents are real interested in trying to control them or put them on the right path or anything like that. They're just kind of feral would be the best way to put it.

They're just kind of feral teenagers. They're just sent out into the world which is weird in this in this like suburban place like this it's not like you know this isn't the wire it's it's like wallace with his fucking like eight brothers and sisters living in a in an abandoned row house it's bizarre to be a latchkey adult yeah that's it's a strange thing to be here so his sister he's got a sister named misty with an eye yeah he does you know he does so misty with an eye here says that the late 87 87 88 late 87 tim starts getting super weird he's always been a weird guy but he starts getting like noticeably weird like weirder than most okay um apparently he saw conan the barbarian yeah the

arnold schwarzenegger fantasy great movie film great movie he saw conan and and decided that he needed to be first of all it got he wanted to start carrying swords around which right away honest person so as we'll talk about he would be found places with a sword on him not a knife a fucking sword like on his back like on his in a sheath on his on his hip i guess i don't know you whip it out like arnold or something like doing it like arnold on his back like a giant like pulling it over like a fucking bandolero hopefully it's not he'd be a man if he could whip have you ever oh my god they're like 40 pounds like to wield that thing with one arm with any control is you got to be

strong as shit and then to like whip it from hip to hip forget it cross body and not throw it and kill somebody that i would slip out of your hand or accidentally chop your leg off take your family's head off yes oh sorry sorry about that i was practicing my conan yes you know it's a hero of mine i was being red sonja for a minute so so conan changes his life apparently uh but not that just these things you got to add little pieces everybody has a personality right this is the way i'm looking at it everybody's personality is like it's it's almost like those remember those those pictures with the you get like a little it's like a little cardboard face and they have

like all the little metal shavings oh yeah you use the pencil to make a beard or make some hair something yeah you make some hair make a mustache and fuck around woolly woolly uh woolly willy that's it there you go there you go yeah sold at every 7-eleven for you know for a million 249 whoever owns it yeah is a fucking king somewhere some whiny kid for their parent to go just shut the fuck up and do this in the car for the rest of the ride i can't take it anymore here just play with the mustache on it put eyebrows on it great give it just a goatee. That's it. I don't care. Enjoy your life. That's, I feel like, everybody's personality. You know what I'm saying? That's a great litmus test to see what you are.

Oh, yeah. What are you going to do? Give somebody a wooly-wooly and see what... That's better than a Rorschach. What hair do you put on it? That's better than a Rorschach. It really is. A Rorschach is reactionary.

This is your doing it. You're not just creating. You're actually making your own. This is your view of the world. Yeah. We're going to replace it. The wooly-wooly test now. I, that's we're going to replace it. The woolly, woolly test. Now I want all because we have professionals like this.

We have mental health professionals. Throw that shit aside. Do us a favor. I know it's not like regulation or anything, but this is just be cool. OK, this is just between the two of us. See if that works. Give them a woolly, woolly and see if you can tell their personality what they do with the woolly, woolly. Let's see if they write like cock on its format then you really know that's a bad person probably

like something bad make a wound somehow with it so i feel like that's everybody's personality though and like you can like take a little bit of the shavings and make a an eyebrow and another eyebrow and all of your experiences and things that you pick up form your personality. It's all these little mushes. You try to put hair all over it. That's probably a normal person just trying to cover up the weird shit. It's like a big blotch of gum under the table at a fast food restaurant. You're like a McDonald's.

You have to stop on the road and you're like, Jesus, there's a mound of it that seems to be made over time. That's like a personality. There's a little gum here and a little stuck there and people are driving through over here one of the employees stuck this one on so i feel like he's picking up things from the outside that he is trying to incorporate into his own personality which is very normal for a teenager to do yeah but it's also strange to try to mix all of that shit together well the things he chooses are odd okay normally like teenagers if they like a certain type of music that's reflected in how they dress like when i was in high school you could tell exactly what people kind of music

everybody listened to just by looking at right you know exactly who they were yes whereas it's a little different now because everybody's clothes are the same there's no such thing as like there's no individualism no everybody looks exactly the. There's no expressing yourself because you're just all ambiguous. Yeah, I'm sad for you. Dress different. Be weird. It's good for you. Embrace it.

Embrace that shit. So yeah, this kid though, he's finding. You pick it up in music or like a pop culture thing, a movie thing where you're like, I want to be like that. That's cool. It's weird. But usually that kind of shit goes away after a while and you figure out who you are. And you find the practicality of some of the things that you take.

Carrying a fucking sword does not fall in line. Conan is not relatable. Conan the Barbarian is not relatable to modern day Minnesota living. It's just not. I mean, you can pick a movie from like, even if you want to take Taxi Driver and say, I'm going to whatever. Fine. But Conan?

Yeah. How the fuck do you relate to that? Majority of people in Midwestern cities. I'm going to go cut the head off a wizard. What the fuck? They don't have pecs. Those are just tits. Yeah.

Those are just tits. That's what I'm saying. So also a movie that he was very intrigued with. More sword play. Yeah. The Highlander. Really? play yeah uh the highlander really do you know the highlander can only be one the only one rucker howard it can be only one it was rucker howard and then it was the what's his name fucking lambert guy christopher

lambert or whatever there was a tv show anyway the highlander the here is uh he was into it now the highlander if you don't know it's he's immortal yeah and he's and it. Now, the Highlander, if you don't know, he's immortal, and he has to chop the heads off of people to get their energy and all that sort of thing. And there only gets to be one. Yeah, there's only one. There is only one. So there's all these immortals, and they're all fighting each other, and when you kill one immortal, you get his life force or whatever.

So that's the Highlander. So he's real into this. So he wants to be Conan with the sword chopping heads off sucking energy? Yeah, because if you mix those, they kind of go together. I suppose. It's swords. Because it's the only way to the Highlander is to one swipe a head off of somebody, from what I've read. So this is important.

The sword is becoming a very big thing here. you know this is important the sword is becoming a very big thing here uh now misty his sister said that after tim watched that movie he started claiming to anyone that would listen that he was in fact immortal oh boy and his body could heal faster than other humans oh my god not only was he immortal yeah but he can heal quickly as well this is why i needed a rating system he's like now he's terminator 2 as well i don't know what's going on here This is why we needed a rating system. He's like, now he's Terminator 2 as well. I don't know what's going on here. This is why we need just this. Okay, I could handle adult shit at 7.

This kid can't handle it at 17. No. Some people are just fucking stupid. At 8 years old, you know that that's not real. You know you're not immortal and you can't heal faster than people. You know for a fact that there are none of those none of this shit exists so yeah uh apparently misty the sister had been pleading with family members to you know basically have tim committed because he was a fucking whack job that was for months she was pressing her parents like tim needs help man he's saying

okay it's one thing to carry a sword and think you're conan that's that's fucking crazy i get it but now he's saying not only does he have a sword but he's also immortal and his wounds heal faster than others well there's one thing to pretend to be somebody and be like and yeah and embrace something yeah yeah be like i'm like that but then to say i am that i am immortal now it's different that's that's like people walking around going well i'm jesus that's why you're like oh okay it's the same scenario so his body can and it's it's weird too because this is off the subject but i can oh not really i can almost see like okay i'm immortal well the only way to prove that is

if somebody kills you kill me so otherwise until he drops dead he could he could run with that lie for the next 75 years if he lives to be 90 you know what i'm saying like i'm fucking immortal obviously see i'm not dead yet and then he's the christian church and then once he yeah exactly and then once he's dead then you know who cares he's what are you gonna rub it in his face he's fucking dead so you can have that lie but the fact that his wounds heal faster than anybody else. That's crazy. That's one that's provable. It's also your 17.

That's why it heals. Yeah. That's the other thing. Cut yourself when you're 39. It takes two weeks. And I'm like, why the fuck is that still there? It's still not healed. This is like a magic underwear scenario where, yeah, I feel like you could solve that whole thing.

I don't mean to come down on you mormons but that's insane yeah i mean i know you'll say oh it's a religious belief you know it's silly though don't you i mean obviously you put the garments on you don't actually expect them to shield you from bullets bullets which is why they say that's what they do you know better you don't dive in front of a bull and go, it's cool. I got my garments on. Nobody does that. Unless those shits are made of Kevlar. Yes. You are crazy.

Yeah. So you people, we all have our things that we. Cotton doesn't stop shit. No. We all have our things, is what I'm saying, that we believe in and go with. It makes us feel better. Yeah. So she wanted, Misty wanted Tim to be committed because she was afraid he would eventually hurt someone

or himself or, you know, your typical things of why you would commit somebody, danger to himself and others. So she said, quote, Tim was always feeling paranoid like people were out to get him. So he used a lot of drugs and drank a lot, which will make you...

That will exacerbate the problem. Exacerbate it, especially when you're thinking about Conan the Barbarian and your sword play. Gotta get my sword skills up, because people are coming for me. I forgot how much I hate that word. It keeps reminding me that a man named Eddie used to ruin my life by calling me Conan the Skinny Man. That's a shit fucking insult. And then he stopped calling me the Skinny Man and just kept going with Conan. And he's a fucking criminal. He's a lunatic man. He's a shit fucking and then he stopped calling me the skinny man and just kept going with conan and i he's a fucking criminal he's a lunatic man he's a terrible human being like a job or at school yeah he worked with me also this is an adult person he's an adult he was in his 30s

okay yeah that's great i was like 21 and he called me conan the skinny man and i it felt very very very bullying it's a very odd thing to call he's just a terrible man he used to also put uh urine in his windshield washers and turn them sideways and then spray you with them pull up next okay so this man had to save urine to do this no he just fits right into his windshield washer so hold on wait a second now this is in a work truck i assume correct so he would have to perch himself yes on the bumper on the bumper to get it in the reservoir and then how much piss went all over the rest of the engine excellent maybe it's an excellent shot i don't know is he that wow now

you know what man i think you've got him all wrong if he's that kind of a shot with his penis i think this man is a he could be magic he could be the highlander is what I'm getting at. He could be the Highlander. I'm not sure. If that's the case, he maybe shouldn't have put it in that. There can be only one. He maybe should have just done it from the driver's seat. Yeah, no shit. That would have been impressive.

That would have been impressive. I would like that. He's an asshole is what he is. Jesus Christ. Also, the sister says to everybody who will listen around that her and all of her siblings basically have been getting the shit beaten out of them by the father for their entire lives. This is a this kid. You could see why he might want a fantasy world to get out of. But, yeah, he's been getting the shit beaten out of him forever she said their father used to beat him with a two foot long rubber hose two or three times a week leaving large welts on his back wow yeah like on the reg yeah this is

like i read a reading a prison book a book about the history of prison and shit like that and this is like what they used to when they'd lease when they'd lease prisoners to mine companies if they didn't have enough coal uh haul for the day they'd beat them with two-foot-long rubber hoses. This was literally the 1870s punishment for a mine worker who they didn't care if they died. I'm trying to think of why the length is that specific would matter. I don't know.

It makes sense because that doesn't have any snapback, and you could just fucking wail on somebody with that. Yeah, two or three times a week. She said he always had welts all over his back from it. So that's not wonderful obviously. But I mean a lot of people get beat but that's a severe beating. That's not a smack

in the ass. That's a I feel like taking my day out on my kid now. It's really emerald-ing your child beating. You're kicking it up a notch. Yeah. The mother also That's elevated kid beating elevated kid beating oh it's kid beating with a nice sprinkle truffle on them i put truffle oil on them afterwards little aioli it's a truffle aioli after afterwards on his welts it's wet noodle beating beating. That's what it is. It's very nice.

Jesus Christ. The mother here, Gloria, that's Gloria Erickson. She says that her husband labeled Tim a gangster when he was in diapers still. I don't know. I don't know what about a diaper clad toddler could make them a gangster? In the early 70s? Yeah, he's like two years old and he's a gangster. I don't know why. He's at the table with a big giant meatball. She said, that kid's no good.

He said, that kid's no good right away, which is, wow, that's some foresight. I'll give him that. Count money, tell him about the unions that he owns. Maybe he's not a bad guy, the dad. Maybe he's just right. Maybe he is. Maybe the beatings are, maybe he just knows something we don't. You ever think about maybe he's not a bad guy the dad maybe he's just right maybe maybe he's maybe the beatings are maybe he just knows something we don't you ever think about maybe he's psychic if his kid's

immortal maybe he's psychic what the fuck do we know clairvoyant maybe he's clairvoyant i don't fucking know so uh she also said all four of their children left home early because of the abuse suffered at his hands which makes a lot of sense, quote, they weren't allowed to have friends over. He was real strict and wouldn't allow the children any freedom. So that was a part of it. She said Tim liked to watch cartoons and television programs about superheroes, especially the ones with swords. He's got a sword obsession.

He wanted to be one himself, his mother said. Yeah, his mother said that he sometimes hit things in their home with a homemade sword and threw knives at walls and doors. Oh, that's scary. As a child. Yeah. Yeah, you know, you don't want your eight-year-old fucking learning knife throwing. Right.

And making swords. In his bedroom. Yeah. Then she said, quote, one time I came home and found that he had gathered up all the pictures he could find of himself and cut them up and destroyed them. Yeah. So that's. He hates himself. Yeah.

He's abused. He's an abused kid. That's what happens there. She said, quote, Tim often. Tim told me that he often did things that he didn't know about until somebody told him about it is what he said. Tim told me that he often did things that he didn't know about until somebody told him about it, is what he said. So he would claim that he didn't know he was doing things until later when he was told that he did things. Oh, I got it.

I didn't know I couldn't do that? No, I didn't know. No, no, no. He said he didn't know he did things until somebody told him later. Wow. Like, you destroyed that. No, I didn't. Yeah, you did, motherfucker. I took all the pictures of you.

Yeah, I didn't. Yeah, he would say that he didn't know that he did it which i don't know if that's true or if he's just found a way to make people who knows who knows if he didn't if that's true then that's like serious delusions and it's crazy uh she said that uh uh gloria the mother said that one time he was at a home timothy was at a home for troubled teens uh for a while because he's a troubled teen exactly what he is because he was where he belongs i was gonna say if you if you could think of a place to put this there's only a i don't know like a home for troubled teens because i feel like that's exactly what he is apparently he was at a home for troubled teens because he fit right in

fit right in he was at a home for tim's that's that's where he wore it teams because he fit right in. He fit right in. He was at a home for Tims. That's exactly what he is. Apparently at the home for troubled Tims, he got into a fight with another boy and apparently beat him unmercifully with a hockey stick. Hell yeah. Bad. The mother said, quote, Tim told me I tried to stop hitting the boy, but I couldn't. That's hilarious. Whoa.

That's wow. Let's unpack that. I tried to stop hitting the boy, but I couldn't. Pardon? It's like the three stooges. I'm trying to think, but nothing happened. Yeah. Okay.

Come again, Tim. Well, one more time. Pardon? Fuck, one more time. Pardon? Fuck, man. She also said that in his mid to later teens here, he likes to be intoxicated, like Misty had said earlier. He likes his drugs. He likes his alcohol. and the mother said she'd seen her son intoxicated on several occasions and also had him hospitalized once because he knocked himself unconscious after deliberately hitting his head on a dresser

he smashed his head in one dresser so hard that he knocked himself unconscious on purpose that much is i've seen people on purpose though beatings you know what i mean yeah yeah i've never seen anyone knock themselves unconscious on purpose though beatings you know what i mean yeah yeah i've never seen anyone knock themselves unconscious on purpose though have you did she see it i guess so yeah somebody had to have witnessed it i don't know if i i don't know if i do it i might be i might be fucking laughing too hard i might that's the thing you might just go oh oh god i guess maybe if it's not if it's not if it's your son yeah like if one of your friends did that. Yeah. You couldn't, it would take me an hour to take him to the hospital because I wouldn't be able to breathe. I'd have to call an ambulance for myself.

We need to, two ambulance, one, I can't breathe. So I'm going to need one. And then another one. I'm turning blue. Oh, my friend. And I, he's unconscious. You're not going to believe this. Really?

I need oxygen. So hurry. Send me as many firemen as you can because they're not going to believe this. Really? I need oxygen. So hurry. Send me as many firemen as you can because they're all going to laugh too. Hurry. You're not going to believe this shit. To deliberately hit his head. Also, a psychotherapist later said that he was admitted to St. Cloud Hospital in late 1987, December 1987

for acute alcohol intoxication. He was unconscious when he was brought into the hospital. He had been alcohol poisoning. He had been drinking way too long. He was blacked out, completely drunk, passed out, and apparently he was in bad shape and could have died.

That was a few months beforehand. This kid is living wrong and fast and hard and in a bad bad shape he could have died so that was a few months beforehand so this kid is living wrong and fast and hard and uh you know in a bad place levita loca levita fucking with a sword yeah levita loca with sword play that's a different level right there that's some some shit so uh levita sorta is not how you want to live so i guess um in the uh also in in december i think when he gets out of the hospital he is arrested timothy for sleeping in a closed theater in saint cloud there's a theater like a not a movie theater play theater playhouse

and he was sleeping in it it was a you know closed down theater police found him under a curtain uh sleeping i guess you know he put like a curtain he put like a curtain over himself yeah he thought my dog does that yeah frankie there's a guy curtain and she'll lay against the wall and position herself so the curtain is making her in covers i'm like you fucking little diva what are you doing genius yes but amazing i guess he was doing the same thing my dog is as smart as this kid at least so that's good she might be immortal he should you know what i bet her wounds will heal faster than other dogs let's find out so they find him there not only they find him he also has something with him guess what jimmy a sword hell yeah he's got a sword on his hip for protection lying nearby no on his hip on his

person for protection yeah so that's what he said he told the cops when they arrested him that he had no permanent place to live that's why he was you know sleeping under a curtain in a theater he ends up finding a permanent place to live, though. Not the best place to live. This is one of these apartments that everybody knows about. Everybody's got a friend. Everybody's got the friends who have the flop house. You know what I'm saying? I had it as a kid. It was that house where it was a revolving door of different roommates.

Four different people, five people lived there. Of the similar caliber of lifestyle. And they would move out and another one would move into his room. And it always like who's living in so-and-so's room now it was always one of those yeah like i had a friend there one of my friends that lived there he fucking it was he was it was fucking great this house was haunted as shit by the way which made it even worse but he worked at wendy's and he used to steal fucking boxes of like burger patties and cheese and buns and bacon and he every time he went over there he'd just be shoving triple decker bacon cheeseburgers in your hand he's always what i

made he's always at the frying pan fucking whipping out burgers for people because he had an endless supply of hamburgers stealing from work it's fucking amazing so uh yeah he would steal the shit so anyway uh uh this is the type of house this is. Now, the older brother, Mark, kind of procures this house. It's a two-story complete shitbox. Hell, yeah. Is what it is. It's described by neighbors and also by a repairman who worked there as a flop house for both adults and runaway juveniles.

All sorts of people live here. I mean, there's no telling who might be there. It's a fight club house. It's the fight club house that is dangerous because there's everybody from 13-year-old runaways to 35-year-old drifters. Oh, you can't be near that. Literally, like 35-year-old drifters

that just hopped off a freight train into town. They're going to stay there next to a runaway 13 year old wanted six states over yeah oh absolutely for molesting a 13 year old from the burbs that's what he's wanted for right it's fucking insane so uh the apparently his brothers lived there for since late 1986 so less than a year and a half and police have been called to this address 22 times in less than a year and a half and police have been called to this address 22 times in less than a year and a half that's a month for reports of assaults loud disturbances you know crazy shit uh people fucking with the neighbor's houses you know people from the house breaking things and who knows so it's a mess basically um the police have also since 87 comes around between january and march police uh apprehended um uh juvenile

runaways three different times at the house basically if there's a runaway they go here first to look for them horrible like oh well we'll check the flop house because that's where the runaways seem to know where to go. They gravitate there. Yeah. So this is the place they are. They would take anybody in. Homeless people, runaway, homeless adults, runaway teenagers, everything. It's fucking ridiculous.

Joe Exotic minus tigers. That's what it is. It's Joe Exotic minus tigers and money for meth. Right. That's exactly what it is. Nothing to lure them in with tigers and money for meth right that's what it's exactly what it is nothing to lure them in with plus more gay sex probably oh i'm sure absolutely forced if joe exotic came through here they'd be like yeah you're a second door to the left that's your room but you mind sharing it with a 13 year old boy is that okay with you he ran away last week he's very supple i don't know if you want him in there he ain't that straight no so they

would have all sorts of people in here march of 1988 comes around and there are there's about uh there's mark and tim that live there and there's about in this time period about four other teenagers living there right now between the ages these kids are between about 15 and 17 living there two of them girls also so they got yeah so they got four boys and two girls between the ages of 15 and 19 oh boy living in a flop house with younger kids and like homeless adults wandering through also and these girls are being pressured constantly think about this this is see your tits oh can you imagine this is a bad scene this is horrible this sounds terrible here i don't know not a place where you'd want your kids to go anyway uh so uh uh now they uh in february of this year housing inspectors threatened court action on this place.

They wanted them to vacate it, citing water drainage problems, water drainage from a bathroom pipe into a bucket, holes in a stairway. Gross. Literally holes in a stairway and many other safety violations is what they said. It's more the pipe draining into a fucking bucket from the bathroom. That's what I mean. That's gross. This whole thing is just not going well. All they've got is a toilet with a pipe between them and a shit bucket.

That's it. Ew. They're close to a shit bucket. Ew. They're like a month away from shit bucket. That's it. You're T minus 30 shit bucket days away. They're a giant shit clogging that away from it being just go to the bucket.

Yeah. These are kids just living in a house and they don't know how to take care of it they're not taking care of it and they're just it's a flop house i mean they're just trashing the place uh like i said police have made many many visits there to have disturbances you know calls for a check to see if my runaway kid is there they're tired of this fucking place and they really would love them to you know condemn this fucking house uh while a next door neighbor said quote there were a lot of people in and out there were these guys in their late 20s or early 30s who didn't really have a home they just have a backpack and they'd go here and there that's the type of drifters yeah literal drifters would

come through town and just stay here um Another neighbor said that all the older residents, quote, they didn't work. They drank a lot. Then they started fading out, and it was mostly kids. There were parties and kids going in and out. Imagine being their fucking neighbors. A teenage flop house with drifters coming through. It can't have electricity, right? I mean, you've got to have like credit to hook up that's what i mean utilities to this thing i feel like this is a very like

wallace from the wire where there's a goddamn uh extension cord neighbor from the neighbor coming over to your house type of thing i feel like wherever you can pop an extension cord off is where these guys do yeah but then i mean there's so many requirements for life that revolve around electricity and water. Oh, yeah. You got to have those. You got to have water. If you don't have that. Water's big.

Electricity's big. I don't know if that's possibly, that might be included in the house also, because a lot of houses like a rental. I mean, maybe they're not paying rent, but they're in somebody's house. Yeah. I mean, I don't know if it's a- It's a squatting situation, I don't know if it's a squatting situation. I don't know. They have water running into a bucket, so there must be running water.

Unless they're just pouring bottles down it. That's possible. I am so fascinated with the living situation. Me too. I want to go explore it and see this, but I don't want to go. I've seen something similar to this. You have? Oh, yeah, yeah.

When I was younger, I knew people that lived in these types of holes in the stairs oh yeah people just lived in shit and uh squalor and uh because it was better than their home environment so they instead lived there um yeah you know people will come up with bad environments they'll they'll uh toilet buckets not as bad as two foot rubber hose beating. It's a good point. You know, it's like I can use a hose to pour water into this bucket or I can use it to get welts and beaten every day. So, yeah, this is these kids are just disasters. The Ericsons, they're, you know, school failures, family bullshit. They've been arrested.

They're running out of hospitals. They have police records and court, all sorts of shit going on here. Um, they had also Erickson Timothy, the, uh, he'd in the six months before March of 1988, he'd been, uh, he'd been encountered police four different times and given four different addresses, um, that he was at. So he was staying all over the place. Uh, he was charged, I guess, six months earlier than that. He was charged on charges of theft, vandalism, and trespassing. So it's just common. There are constant little...

That's why property crime is high in this town. So after, apparently, Mark, the older brother, was arrested for spray painting buildings on the St. Cloud Mall there. Like tagging him? Yeah, spray painting. Just out there giving him a new paint job. He was probably just writing Mark like Conan was here. He's the older brother.

He's not into Conan. Mark was here. Mark was here. And he's like, that'll do. Just walks away. So good. A judge ordered him to stop drinking and taking drugs well he's 19 so he shouldn't be doing either of those things anyway by law so

those are illegal one's illegal and the other's illegal because you're 19 so either way shouldn't shouldn't have to tell him that um now their father john erickson who was the guy who beat them with rubber hoses it was a complete dick. He said that he had little contact with his sons from 1987 up to early 1988. He said that Tim lived with him for a while but then moved out in mid-1987. Probably got tired of beatings. And then he said, quote,

I didn't keep in touch with them when they were doing their own thing. You know, at 17. Yeah. Doing their with them when they were doing their own thing. You know, at 17. Yeah. Doing their own thing. He's doing his own thing. So, you know. I'm fully legally responsible for him, not just to take care of him, but also any fucking thing that he does, I can be sued.

His own thing. Right. Are you fucking kidding me? That's a hell of a job parenting, bro. Wow. Oh my God. I mean, that's just wild. I don't know. They get arrested and a job parenting. Wow. Oh, my God. I mean, that's just wild. I don't know.

They get arrested and, you know. Doing their own thing, though. Sleep in theaters with swords and shit, but it's just their own thing. That's his thing. People being people. Yeah. That's all it is, man. Just got to let people be people, man.

So around March 15th of 2000, or 2000, of 1988 here, March 15th, 88, Mark and the teenagers are here. One of the teenagers' name is Bill Benedict. He's a 15-year-old. And there's about three other 15-year-old boys there, also Tim. So at this point, there's like five kids hanging out around this time period. And it's at this point where, amazing, where Tim has seen The Lost Boys. Oh, yeah. Okay, now.

Oh, and we know his influences. He's honing in on this real tight. Really absorbs these things. Yeah, and if you've seen Conan, that's just if it's a fantasy thing of some other time or whatever, and if you've seen The Highlander, that's not like something you could implement into your normal daily life, than the sword play uh the lost boys though other than the vampire shit was a modern movie with cool teenage actors in it at the time so dirt bikes everywhere yeah shredding the beach pretty goddamn cool if you were if you were eight

like i was and that shit was outside before you found out there were vampires, you're like, these dudes are badass. This is the coolest. Yeah, they were living the cool. They were like in that stupid Vin Diesel XXX movie when they go in and there's people skateboarding in a big loft and shit. You're like, this is the coolest place ever. That's what these people are living like. You're like, whoa, fucking awesome, man. How does the bad guy and the good guy how are they both riding dirt bikes

this is so weird everybody's got one why is everybody so cool now if you don't know two strokes and they're bees they sound like bees going down the beach if you don't know what lost boys is because either if you're young or if you just haven't seen it lost boys was the uh kind of the original vampire teen vampire craze before twilight 25 years before twilight there was fucking it was lost boys interview with the vampire yeah well that was like but that was like old-timey vampires and i don't do this and i'm very fancy and look at you this was like maybe gay nobody knows i could be a homosexual i'm not sure not positive i don't know what do they call them now something i'm sure'm sure. Swishy. Much more offensive, so I'll just stick with that.

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I think he is. I think they had to be in the movies together. It was a contractual thing. Their agent was like, you can't have one without the other. I'm sorry. You can't have one. You get Corey and then you get other Corey. It's just the way it works.

I don't think... Was Feldman from the burbs, just on the side going, what are you guys doing riding on the beach? Like something like that. I can see Corey Feldman as being in a vampire movie. I think we only see him because of the Burbs because he played that thing. Well, he was also in all of the Corey Hay movies.

He was in that License to Drive with Heather Graham. He was in all those things. He was in all that shit. Aimed at teenagers. It's essentially Stand By Me with a Motley Crue video. Modern day Stand By Me with vampires instead of whatever. So that's what it was. teenagers this was essentially stand by me with like a modern day a motley crew video modern day stand by me with vampires instead of whatever so that's what it was it was these teenage kids that were vampires and they were like you know they had girls and they were like drinking beer and

riding dirt bikes and like fucking you know like woo yeah and they were like vampires at night man crashing beach parties being complete dicks and then taking everybody's booze and hauling down the fuck out of there that's the way they were taking the booze and your bitches and we're leaving leaving so tim saw this and mind blown he was like now it's all coming into fucking focus here now it's in the first of all if you're influenced by anything that cory hame has been a part of i don't want to hear from. You should be instantly probably put in an institution. Never mind your drinking and your drugging and all that kind of shit.

You think Corey Haim is influential? No. Kiefer's Southern with bleached blonde hair. Yeah. Kiefer. Bleached Kiefer. So, Tim, though, he's got an idea after he sees this movie. He sits everybody down, all these boys,

Bill Benedict, his brother Mark, everybody. He sits everybody down and he says, look, this is what we're fucking doing. Okay? We are going to be a vampire cult. Oh, we're not buying dirt bikes? No, no, no. Well, we'll see. We've got to see how the vampiring goes. I figure by watching the movie, I think you have to do a bunch of vampiring, then you get dirt bikes.

I don't think you just get the dirt bikes. We've got to monetarily make the vampire thing this is they can afford the dirt that's the thing you gotta well you gotta invest in vampires we aren't dirt bike rich we're not dirt bike yeah we're not doing that yet we're not ready to invest that kind of dirt bike capital quite yet so we'll keep it on the on the do another time. Sleep way to get around. So he says, we're going to form a cult, okay? It's going to be a vampire cult, similar to, I don't know, Lost Boys, sort of like that. Because I think that's how he sees himself. Like, we're in our own house, and we're doing our thing, and we're like badasses, and we drink and booze, and there's chicks, and like, fuck it, let's just be like fucking vampires, too.

You can't use the stairs anyway, may as well fly. What am I going to do with this sword this sword vampires don't have swords shit yeah i got a whole thing here it's dangerous sleep upside down with that yeah so he began asking his other friends about like the occult what do you guys know about it did you hear this or that and they start talking about shit like that and he's the other friends think like they're like they're into it yeah we'll form a vampire cult cool you know sure what i guess but they they don't they're not taking it real seriously okay they're not like cool where's the blood let's drink it but whereas like tim is like we're fucking vampires right and this is what we're gonna do and everyone's like yeah cool what's up we drinking beer tonight or what yeah woo vampires yeah like where's the dirt bike that's

the kind of shit they're doing like everybody around him's like johnny depp and uh alice cooper they're like we'll call ourselves the hollywood vampires that kind of thing it's just like a label we're vampires like legit into this like we like hanging out at this flop house and drinking because we're not allowed to do it around our parents. So sure, we're vampires. Yeah, great. Pass the booze. Like, I feel like it's that sort of thing.

And they don't think he's serious. Everybody has those friends as teenagers who just don't shut the fuck up about dumb shit like that. And they're, I'm going to do this. They're not doing anything. So I feel like that's what they think. Like, Tim's an idiot and he's running his mouth. Sure, we're a vampire cult. Excellent. That uh they you know it wasn't a big deal here also too there's a 13 year old in this mix to a 13 year old runaway here there's a 15 year old

named bill bill he's already obviously grown up way too fast at 15 you're still billy yeah you're still no he's bill no how you doing bill uh well we'll find out he's bill no boy so uh an adult huh oh he's an adult so the 13 year old person who we don't have this boy's name because he was 13 and uh yeah so the 13 year old here he has been moving around like crazy the last couple years he's been in uh different homes uh group homes he's been in Pelican Rapids, Brainerd, and in St. Cloud. He's just been in St. Cloud recently. I guess he said they found out his mother and father never were married.

His mother has two children by different fathers there and moves around a lot. The kid's grandfather said, quote, they don't stay in one place very long. That has to hurt a kid. grandfather said quote they don't stay in one place very long that has to hurt a kid he said that they were they were all living on welfare and he said about the father quote i guess he was beating up on her it wasn't such a happy home life so he comes from a family where the father beats the shit out of the mother they move around a lot not an easy

upbringing for anybody bad stuff bad stuff uh they did say that he used to be very good in school. In like fifth grade, he had all A's and did very well. But then when he went to seventh grade, he started failing all his classes and not doing very well. He ended up in a school for dropouts at 13, which is St. Cloud Area Learning Center. He did, though, test at a 10th grade level in the eighth grade so he was smart but he never went to school so there was that his grandfather said

quote i heard he ran away for a week or two weeks and then he came home and started raising hell and then left again so he's just a troubled fucking kid and he's part of this motley crew at the house he's part of the lost boys here um they'd been uh he'd been living at the house for about since mid-february of 1988 and the grandfather said quote he's 13 other guys are 30 other kids are older it's not a good scene yeah no that's a terrible place for a 13 year old vulnerable especially somebody who's been through abuse and is vulnerable to shit. It's not good.

One of the 30-year-olds that comes around from time to time is a guy named Donald Wayne Gall. Yeah. G-A-L-L. He's 30 years old, and his nickname is Bushwhacker. Really? Bushwhacker.

How do you get that one? Where does it go with, like, the bladder? You know what I mean? You move your arms up and down and lick people's heads, I think, is how you get that one um you're with like the bladder you know what i mean you move your arms up and down and lick people's heads i think is how you get that wrestling shit that's through the bushwhacker i don't know jesus christ i don't understand how he got book that's a weird fucking nickname the bushwhacker i don't know what that is i mean does he like sneak up on people is he the landscaper of the of the flop house maybe he's just really good with a weed whacker

you never know he's just x it's a bushwhacking he trims around the the trim is spectacular when donald be doing it's just amazing the trim that he does, that boy's a bushwhacker. I'll tell you what. So, yeah, it's Donald Wayne Gall. He stayed at the house on and off, basically. So he was a flop. He was one of the guys that would just come through and flop. Jesus Christ, the bushwhacker. Yeah, he knew all these kids, stayed there sometimes.

This time he started staying there in the beginning of march 1988 because he was recently released from the stearns county jail after pleading guilty to assaulting his girlfriend oh my god so good guy yeah the old the girlfriend assaulting bushwhacker here is 30 years old is gonna hang out with the teens now makes sense good influence he punched a chick in the pussy perfect oh you know he did bushwhacking he whacked her right in the bush i think he did i think well that's a kick probably though a punch would be a not quite as much do you think an uppercut maybe a backhand to the bush no it's got to be harder it's a bushwhack i feel like no i think it's a it's a stiff palm like a karate i think it's a stiff palm that's a bushwhacking stiff palm to the pussy jesus christ the butt of the hand

yes the butt of the head a stiff palm it's a bushwhacking he bushwhacked her god damn that's why you had to go to the stearns county jail away from it hurt god damn it so uh by the, if anyone's ever, like, assaulting you, try that. Try bushwhacking them. Take the palm of your hand and just right into their groin, no matter what their gender. Right in the pelvis. Just lift them up by their groin with the palm of your hand and see what happens. I bet they stop.

Hit that bony spot. That's going to get you. Not even the balls if it's a guy. No, just the bone right there. Bushwhack you. When you do it it yell at him too push whack it and then lick his forehead over and over again that seems like it hurt push whack jesus so yeah you probably break that bone with that

you might be able to i'll bet you could break it easier with the with that button hand than punching it probably yeah more force of your hand than punching it. Probably. Yeah, more force. You can really get into it. Hurts you less. You could drive it upward, I feel like. I feel like you could lift someone by their crotch like that.

You could just drive them northward with the force of your, like a Street Fighter 2 move. Jean-Claude Van Damme would hit people with the butt of it in the nose and kill them. Oh, yeah. Drive the nose bone into the brain. I'm going to drive your pubic bone into your brain. I'm going to do it different. At minimum into your spleen. James Claude Van Damme.

I'm going to bushwhack you. Bring it. I'm going to fucking lacerate your liver with your pelvis that's right bring it on your pubic bone to the pancreas and see how you like that shit you cocksucker so uh in this in the assault case in court gall said he was also in and out of treatment for alcoholism and has a very bad learning disability okay so gall he's not all there no he's like the guy i've told you guys a few times when i was a kid satanic bill he's satanic bill satanic bill was 30 years old we were all teenagers he was came through with the traveling carnival stayed

behind got everybody in trouble went to prison because one of my friends told on him for something because the kid was on acid and he couldn't be interrogated for eight hours he stabbed he didn't know what he was doing so this guy sent him letters from fucking prison saying he was gonna kill him like twice a week twice so he had a stack of fucking letters saying how the creative ways he was gonna murder him when he got out and then he got out and came to his house and said i'm sorry i said that and my friend let him move into his basement what oh yeah my friend's parents let him move into his basement. What? Oh, yeah. My friend's parents let him move into his basement. Not even just him. The fucking parents did.

He threatened him for two years. Two years of threats. Oh, boy. Satanic Bill. This is Satanic Bill. They even look similar in the pictures. Why didn't they move out?

Right? Leave. Well, they had five kids and things weren't going well. That's tough. Not a great... That was the one... That was the family

that I described the little girl flying through the air like the Matrix when the sun kicked her in the chest that's that household so it's a there's stuff going on let's just say happening there everybody had one of those in the neighborhood yeah everybody that was not that was a mild one that wasn't even the other that wasn't even the the crack house one i always talk about that was a different one i don't have any interesting friends nothing near like that no i just i mean they were crazy all my friends were disasters

crazy dave who would just shout at walls and shit walking on the street was a kid no oh I had interesting friends. Nothing near like that. No? I mean, they were crazy. All my friends were disasters. We had Crazy Dave who would just shout at walls and shit while he was on the street. Was he a kid? No. Oh. Probably a 50-year-old man. Oh, you wanted like the neighborhood weirdos? The neighborhood loony. I had Hawkeye and Batman.

Those were our two. They were big. So good. Hawkeye looked exactly like Alan Alda. Yeah. And he wore a green army jacket. Or a Batman. So he looked just... He looked like if Hawkeye, if like Alan Alda on M he wore a green army jacket. So he looked like if Hawkeye, if Alan Alda on MASH decided to not be an actor and just

to go live on a corner and drink Thunderbird for the next, and Mad Dog 2020 for like 20 years, this is what he would look like. Embrace the vet status. He'd sit on the bench. I don't even know if he was a vet. He'd just sit on the bench. No, I mean Hawkeye. Hawke embrace the vet status he'd sit on the bench i don't even know if he was a vet he'd just sit on the bench no i mean hawkeye hawkeye yeah he'd sit on the bench that was alan alda's nickname on the show mash on mash hawkeye hawkeye was his name jesus he was from iowa that's why i hate mash too but i just know that and i also know that that's because we all called him hawkeye that I'm talking for generations. Everyone called him Hawkeye. Then we had Batman, who was a, we'll say, challenged young person.

He was a guy. He was in his 20s. One of his ears was at least four inches higher than the other ones. It was very sloth from Goonies. That's where he got it. No, he got the name Batman. It wasn't pointy? No.

He got the name Batman because he always had the bat signal from the complete back of his head carved in the back carving no no that was the hair the rest of his head was bald and he had the bat signal that's not how it's done always in hair in the back of his head at all times so you'd be like oh there's batman oh shit oh man he's gonna knock hawkeye over hawkeye's all fucked up stumbling if batman's gonna buzz him on the bike and knock him over he had a backwards haircut he had a backwards haircut he wasn't all there i'm telling you he was like no no the other way yeah oh sure and it was bald and then just bow batman very interesting so uh yeah this this apparently donald gall here uh met one of their friends one of the erickson's friends andrew theelin who's a 17 year old who

hangs out at this house a couple months ago when they were both undergoing chemical dependency treatment so you meet fun people in rehab 17 year olds don't mix them with 30 year old alcoholics how about that how about you mix them with other underage people and keep that like that i also encourage you not to intermingle so that when you get out you don't just fucking influence each other go back you know you don't hang out with 17 year olds and take booze to their house that's weird yeah so uh uh gall everybody said don, he's not a nice guy, this Gall. They don't call him the Bushwhacker for nothing, put it that way. They don't call it the Bushwhacker for nothing.

He's an abusive guy. He does drugs. He's known to everyone as a violent drunk. He harasses some of the kids sometimes when he's there. I don't know why they let him stay there but he just comes in a repairman who was there one time said he remembered a time quote gall had this 17 year old pinned down he said he was going to kill him so this is just a there was a repairman over right while that's how anything goes in this house while a stranger's in the home a 30 year old's gonna pin a child down and threaten to murder him so imagine when no one's there and it's 2 a.m and everyone's been

doing meth and drinking booze all night it's a fucking quite quite the thing here and uh mark the older brother said that they would uh basically all get drunk all the time and uh that sort of shit and uh apparently the uh they get drunk a lot the 13 year old would argue with everybody the 13 year old's a pain in the ass apparently and everybody of course he is this is quite the little cabal of assholes right but at 13 he's not at home because he's a fucking nightmare no now. Now, if you're Tim, you have to take a step back and go, okay, I want to have my own vampire cult. Yeah. But this is quite the motley crew of idiot. I don't think if you're going to form a cult, I don't think this is what you form it of.

No. A 13-year-old with an authority problem. Right. An alcoholic 17-year-old, a 15-year-old who's sort of into the occult, and a 30-year-old bushwhacker. I don't think this is what we're... Of all those people, the one I'm most frightened of is that 13-year-old. Oh! You know what I mean?

You're very prescient, Jimmy. He is a frightening individual. He really is. He is, too. We'll find out about that. Oh, boy. There's nobody's... Here isn't a frightening individual.

No, nobody's got it together. No. So, March 21st, 1988 here. This this night, Gall, Donald, the bushwhacker and 17 year old Andrew Thielen, one of their buddies that hangs out, had a gotten to a fist fight during an argument that night at the house. Yeah. So this guy has problems fist fighting teenagers and threatening to kill them and everything like that uh so andrew thielen uh he becomes a big part of this here he has basically started to he's the last year and a half he's just gone off the rails as a teenager this andrew

thielen his parents said that uh it was like the last summer they found out that he was drinking and taking drugs and so they you so they tried to help him. And then they grounded him for a weekend in the fall. And they said, quote, he went to school one day and then didn't come home. That was his way of not being grounded. He was gone for two weeks, traveled around to other towns, staying in places. He stayed in some trailer park for a month. What? Just stayed in some random park for a month. What?

Just stayed in some random trailer park with somebody he knew. His mother called the trailer. He stayed in, quote, a hotbed of drugs. It's very Minnesota. Hotbed of drugs. It's the one that got that hot stuff on there. It's the one that got that hotbed on there. So when he returned,

they put him in a six-week program for chemical dependency, and they said he seemed to be put him in a six-week program for chemical dependency. And they said he seemed to be going well for a little while. He was doing well. And then they suspected that he started using alcohol and drugs again in early 1988. And then one day in March, his father asked him about alcohol and drugs. So Andrew, they said he tossed all of his clothes in a bag and walked out and never came back. And he went to stay at the flop house.

That's where he was staying. And then he ends up fist fighting Bushwhacker that day. So they said that evening, he said he was just all he said was he threw a shit in a bag and said, I'm going to stay with Tim. And Judith said, I, she said, quote, I said, OK, who is is this tim and what's going on he told me it was two brothers renting an apartment he said he wouldn't give them an address or a phone number nothing the mother said quote i was worried because he wasn't home uh we asked him to keep in touch and he did he called every day around dinner time so he's sort of more together with his family than most 17 though yes he's not running away from abuse is his thing he's just he's running to his own abuse yeah he

wants to be he wants to be one of the lost boys he wants to abuse drugs and alcohol that's really i want to be a vampire play with swords and do smoke weed and do drugs because when you're 17 that sounds like a hell of a way to spend the fucking day yeah i mean it's not a bad way to spend it now it's nice but you know when you're 17 that sounds way better than listening to your parents and going to school yeah it just does um so his father andrew's father said he wanted to have his son committed to saint cloud hospital again but andrew promised to go back on his own and And so they said they decided to give him the chance to do it on his own in March. And he never does. He just goes to the flop house.

He also attended the Area Learning Center because of a reading deficiency. A school counselor who worked with Andrew said that, quote, nothing here indicated that we needed to be concerned about him and our safety. When you leave home and don't have many resources, you're going to duck into any port in a storm and he got into the wrong port he got into the lost boys here um they said uh the school even knew about this this house because if there was truant kids they would look for them there wow you never know like if this kid hasn't been around in a month well check the morgue and the flop house would be the places you check. Are they allowed to do that today?

Just like pop in to your house? I mean, I don't know. I'm not positive. I don't know. I guess if you're in the state, you can go look for a kid who's not been. You have to go to school. So, I mean, there has to be. Can teachers just show up at the front door and be like, where's that goddamn kid?

Where is he? They should. Is he a principal? You know what? It would be great if where's that goddamn kid? Where is he? They should. You know what? It would be great if they could, but I think teachers have enough shit going on. I don't think they need to worry about bringing the kids to school, too. They're probably happy when a couple don't show up. Fucking good.

Jesus. Especially that one. Two less assholes to deal with than fucking kids that aren't mine. You know? I don't know. Fucking saints. So, yeah, they knew about it uh there the principal said quote we've talked to as many as nine kids who have probably stayed there on and off for days it's unreal the number of kids who had been there this is the principal of the local school yeah i guess

some of the kids told people in march about uh what they called satanic ceremonies happening under the house at the house and lots of talk of vampirism. So as March comes around, we're really we're firing up the vampire cult train as this goes nice outside. It's starting to get nice. You know, it's going to cool off soon. We can wear, you know, get out there and you don't have to have your black park on. You can just have your black, you know, T-shirt and jeans. And I think it's going to be more comfortable for us at most. Yeah. You know, not that one week in July when it's nice, but the rest of the time.

So on March 21st, 1988, this is the night that Andrew and Gall have a fistfight earlier that day. Seven people. This is Erickson boys are here uh the erickson boys andrew theelin uh the 13 year old is here uh donald gall is involved in this everybody's there bill bill is bill is going also we'll talk about bill in a second they all decide to go camping at riverside park near saint cloud yeah on mart. It's freezing outside. They're going to go camping. Yeah. We have a homeless people.

Yeah. We, which is what they're doing anyway. You're camping now. Just you have a worse tent than you'd have if you were in the woods. That's all. The no tents have fucking holes in the stairs. It's the same thing though. So they all decided to go camping at Riverside Park near St. Cloud at about 1130 in the evening.

They haven't left yet, by the way, to go camping at 1130 at night. They're going to leave to camp at midnight when it's freezing outside. It's the weirdest thing because they're all fucking idiots. Apparently, Gall arrives at 1130 at night. He stumbles in what was described as sloppy drunk there uh and uh so they all sit and they tell him yeah we're going to riverside park to go camp and he's like what got me in brother let's do it as well we're camping now yeah this is all right so we're gonna leave this place and camp somewhere else all right gonna be a kid to hit or something there all right it's cool

uh before they leave they all smoke some weed for the trip. Steal yourself up. As they're getting ready to leave, everybody's going. This is after midnight. Bill Benedict decides that he doesn't want to go anymore. He decides he's going to leave.

Because he's still a child. He's 15. He's 15. It's 1 o'clock in the morning now, pushing. It's freezing outside. All sloppy drunk. They're all drunk. they're talking about vampires all the time this sounds terrible that sounds terrible you know bill's like i'm gonna go home this is a little weird now tim brings with him for the for the trip they leave at one o'clock in the morning six of them take off the erickson boys gall feeling 13 year old and one

other yeah take off okay they're all going uh tim he has a case of beer with him yeah uh some weed yeah uh some ephedrine also uh that which is over the counter but it's a stimulant you know it's got the medicine cabinet it'll get you going yeah so he's got some ephedrine, some beer, some weed, and also some hot dogs. We're going to have to eat at some point. At some point we're going to be hungry. So this is Riverside Park just south of St. Cloud. It's located on the Mississippi River,

and this is what they say on their website. Walking distance from the nationally recognized Munsinger Clemens Gardens and directly across the river from St. Cloud State University. Riverside Park Pavilion has a long history of hosting gatherings and events large and small, including vampire cult fucking camping trips, wintertime vampire cult teenage camping trips. Small gatherings.

Small gatherings. This is what this is. So also, one of the kids, a 15-year-old, the unidentified 15-year-old in this this group because we gave you five of the six uh he had with him a fixed blade hunting knife and uh and they were all kind of passing the knife back and forth it's at this point that you hear timothy here tim start talking about we could use this on our first victim is what they start talking about right so they're all talking and talking shit and tim says well maybe we can get our first victim tonight oh boy let's get our first our cult's first victim and mark his brother thought he was

fucking around he go mark said he was sarcastically like yeah yeah sure we should do that like you know whatever let's joke around mark said though later quote, it really didn't hit me at first. He was talking about something with the vampire cult. Right now. Right now. Tim's fucking serious. And Mark's like, yeah, whatever. Because they're all different states of drunkenness and highness and, you know, hunger for hot dogs.

You know, that can be. And bloodlust. Bloodlust. Hunger for hot dogs. Needing a bushwhacking. Right. They all have different interests that's what it is so they sit around for a couple hours they make a campfire it's near

the edge of the river which is frozen and icy so it's it's near the edge they sit they drink beer they smoke weed yeah they do the you know the over-the-counter speed they roast hot dogs yeah which sounds delicious it's on a campfire it's all the fucking stick yeah i don't want to there's no bun barking it right they're just jabbing a stick through a dog and putting it over the park in it and then they're trying to eat that off of the stick yeah without eating the stick too with a little bit of burn on the end of that they also talked for a couple hours they They talked about girls. They talked about hunting. They talked about drugs.

They talked about motorcycles. They talked about jail. This is what 17-year-old boys sit around in the woods talking about. Girls, drugs, fucking around, motorcycles, dirt bikes. I don't want to go to jail, but I like drugs. I mean, all that sort of shit. At least somebody in the group said, my favorite part of the Lost Boys was the dirt bikes.

And then they just talked about dirt bikes for a few seconds until Tim said, we don't have money for dirt bikes. Enough of this dirt bike bullshit. What we do have is swords. Let's get a victim. God damn it. To get the dirt bikes. So imagine Gall sitting around at 30 years old listening to this teenage drivel.

Right. Fucking awful. Maybe I shouldn't have teenage drivel. Right. Fucking awful. Maybe I shouldn't have punched that woman. Yeah, no shit. That's what he's thinking. He's gotta be. So at about 4.30 a.m., the 15-year-old leaves because he was cold and tired. It's 4.30 in the fucking morning in the winter in Minnesota. He doesn't have survival skills.

No, he's like um i'm out of here right uh it's at this moment here or right around here that gall decides he was tired too but he just lays down near the fire so he's going to stay at the camp it's just going to lay down by the fire for warmth now uh gall falls asleep by the fire okay bushwhackers asleep so the remaining four of them 13 year old andrew thielen and the Erickson brothers, they go into the woods to have a conference. Vampire cult conference woods. Now, let's go, guys. Don't be late.

Yeah. Grab the notebook. We need minutes. I'm not fucking around anymore. So moonlight is just right. Everything is just right. So they go into the woods where tim says all right here we go game plan yeah everybody in a circle this is what we're gonna do okay bushwhackers asleep by the fire we're gonna kill him and drink his blood oh and everybody in oh

boy hand in the middle they're like pardon yeah what now they're like no that's i mean it's all fun to talk about it and you know jason patrick looked pretty cool on that dirt bike but i don't really want to like drink blood so i don't bleach my hair yet yeah that's that's the thing he said we'll tell you what we do this is what we'll do uh you guys what you do is you guys you don't have to do anything i'll do the shit but you guys go wake him up basically and then i'll come and kill him with the knife so because he saved the knife from the 15 year old he ended up with it so he said i'll kill him but you just like wake him up and he'll be like what's going on and then i'll just like stab the shit out of him cool all right

break let's go this is a bad plan let's do it mark his older brother said i don't want any fucking part of this i'm not doing this right i'm out no thanks he's the oldest one of the group yeah i'm not doing it it's cold i'm tired i'm going home this is no he stays oh no he stays he's just like i'm not going to participate in any killing this guy i'll hang out on the side over here and watch i gotta i'm gonna put a hot dog on a stick here so uh nathan's yes those are good. So now Thielen and Tim and a 13-year-old here approach Gaul. Okay. So they walk up to him. This is the three teenagers, and they're not experienced murderers or anything.

So this is not going to go smooth and well, I imagine. As they approach him, Tim pulls the knife from its sheath like he's going to whips it out like he's going to stab him. Just as they get close to him, Gall wakes up. Yeah. And he goes, what the hell's going on around here? What the fuck are you guys doing? Yeah. And they tell him, oh, no, we're just messing with the fire.

Go back to sleep. It's okay. Go back to sleep. We're just messing with the fire. You can go. Don't worry about it. It's okay. And he's like, all right.

And he just turns over and goes to sleep and tim goes back into the woods regroup everybody regroup let's go guys back in so literally this group of idiots yeah retreats back into the woods to have another fucking conference about it that's how dumb these fucking people are i do give him a little bit of credit because his plan changed. Yeah. A variable was different. Yeah. And now the plan is not the same. We need to talk about this again. He's still the same guy.

He's already awake. Go back in. Yeah. They told him, wake him up. Yeah. He's already awake. And they just packed. And we're like, just go back to sleep.

Never mind. He's awake. What do we do now? Shit. Now what? What's the starting point? Yeah. This is a fuck.

Being in a vampire cult is so much harder than I thought it was. It looks so much easier. Corey Feldman made made it really look easy i'm not sure this sucks cory hay made it look i think feldman was in it too look up that fucking movie before we get tweets yeah we're gonna get tweaked all right so uh yeah they're back into the woods regrouping now let's all all have a regroup here. What a fucking... We need to revise the plan, everybody. This isn't working. This time, Tim tells everybody, look, here's what we'll do, okay?

Clearly, he wakes up and we're all a little freaked out by that. He's a little wild, whatever. So here's what we'll do. This time, I'm going to grab a big log, okay? Just a big, big fucking stick. Grab this big log and we'll all walk up and while he's sleeping, I'll fucking club him with the log. Okay.

That's good. When I club him with the log, you guys jump in and start kicking him. All right. I don't know why everybody doesn't get their own log. Yeah. A lot of swinging going on, but I'm going to club him with the log. Then you guys just start fucking jumping on him and kicking him. And you guys really do everything else.

And then I'll come in and I'll get a stabby stabby. And then we'll drink his blood. Deal? And break. Okay, go. And Corey Feldman's in it. And Corey Feldman. On three, Corey Feldman.

They were not separate in the 80s. And you know what, though? Maybe Lucas. That's it. I see him as the guy from the Burbs in it because that's essentially the role he plays in it. Yeah, he had that same hair. Well, he was a comic book nerd in the movie. Oh, that's right.

Okay, that makes sense. So he's essentially the guy from The Burbs. That makes sense. He's playing that role. Yeah, it's just a dipshit. He's playing Corey fucking Feldman is what he's playing. He's playing Corey Feldman. He's still playing Corey Feldman.

He never changed. No. So anyway, here we go. Again, Mark is like, okay, as the older brother, he's like, I see that you've revised the plan. Still want no part of it, though.

I'm going to take a step back here, not do this. So they return to the campfire. Gall's asleep. Tim has a fucking log in his hand. He's got a big stick. And they come up. As they come up to him, apparently he clubs Gall a big stick and uh they come up as they come up to him apparently he clubs gall with

the with the stick yeah enough to i don't think he caught him real good enough to for gall to wake up and jump up and be like what the fuck's going on yeah so now at this point he's got a a boy with a knife one kid with a club. He's got a wound and there's a bunch of people around him. Right. So he starts freaking out, gall, and he scrambles onto a narrow strip of ice

onto the river to try to get the fuck away from them. I mean, he just panicked. From a dead sleep. Yeah, that's not where you want to run. Oh, shit. Wrong way, I would say. Into the woods is probably a better way to go about it.

Seems like how it would happen to me. If you got hit in the middle of the night. Yeah, you'd wake up and run in a river. Run right into a fucking wall. Run right. At least a river, if not a wall. So but apparently the other kids kind of got over and blocked his escape from Tim because Tim had him trying to pin him in.

Basically. Yeah, they had a plan. So apparently they had him in the back. One of the kids hit him. The other kid started kicking him. And then Tim comes back in with the log and starts clubbing him while he's on the ground. Now, the whole time this is going on, he's beating this man. Gall keeps asking, Tim, what's wrong?

What did I do to you? He's going, what the fuck are you doing, man? Why are you hitting me with a stick? Why is everybody kicking me? What's happening? I didn't even bushwhack you. I didn't even bushwhack you or your mama. What the fuck's going on here?

So apparently, Mark Erickson, he remained kind of off to the side. At one point, he urged them to stop. But they didn't. They instead decided to beat and club Gall for 90 minutes. Oh, my God. Not only did they beat and club him, the 13-year-old and Phelan also were kicking him in his head and jumping on his neck as hard as they could. Oh, that's exhausting. Jumping up and down while one person was kicking his neck.

The other was jumping up and down on his neck. And then they'd stop for a minute, hang out, and then just go back and do more beat him more uh just keep beating him and clubbing him and kicking him and doing all this he's still alive gall he's being beaten about the head face and neck poor bastard unconscious finally um yeah i mean fucking horrible here. Finally loses all consciousness and he's out. Yeah. So 90 minutes later, this is 90 minutes of beating sustained. Sustained. Boy, I mean, you have to be.

There's no you don't feel remorse in 90 minutes. So stop. How do you not stop? Eventually, though, Tim takes the knife. Yeah. And he pulls Gall. He gets Donald, the bushwhacker here, gets him up against a tree, holds him up by the hair and puts his head up against a tree and slits his throat.

Yeah. Okay. Obviously, he bleeds to death from a slit throat. So Tim decides to get some blood in his hands and start trying to take as much of it in as he can. And he and the other two, not the brother, but the other two that are there, they licked the blood off his hands, too. Gross. So he was licking the blood off his hands and he had them lick the blood off his hands. And he said, we're vampires now.

Yay, we did it or you have aids this is a drifter right this is a fucking drifter in the 80s how much aids hepatitis fucking anything this guy could have he's in and out of the joint all the time we don't know what the fuck this guy's doing sucking on his neck let's drink let's drink his fucking aidsie blood uh yeah so they they do this um wow this is uh this is interesting here now at the same time while this is all going on before the throat cut the 13 year old had taken the knife and he was also uh you know while he was jumping on on donald's neck and head and all that sort of shit the 13 year old stabbed him and sliced one of his wrists that's when that's when uh tim said well i guess i'll

just cut his throat yeah uh yeah the 13 year old was trying it too though he was he was the first one to go in with the knife as the kid the youngest one because he's a fucking crazy he's a psycho oh Oh, boy. So after this, what they do is they, Tim takes Bushwhacker's leather jacket and his watch and takes his wallet and empties all his pockets there. They take in his billfold. He had $5. Oh. So he's loaded. Crushing.

Obviously. They burned his ID and took his leather jacket and his $5. And then Tim announces, of course, quote, we've got to get rid of the body. Right. What are you going to do? So they push him off the river of ice into open water and they go. Problem solved. Done.

All done now. Got that now. Yeah. Problem solved. Not scientists. I'm not one. And I know that that's not a good idea. Just in terms of preservation of the body.

Oh, it's freezing cold water. That's not going to do anything. He's going to be in great shape when we find him. It's going to be like that until August. Brand new. Yeah. Until that week of summer in late July. So they do that.

Now, at that point, Mark Erickson said that Thielen, Andrew Thielen, was getting sick. Mark said, quote, Andy said he felt like throwing up. We were both shaken up about it. point mark erickson said that theelin andrew theelin uh was getting sick mark said quote andy said he felt like throwing up we were both shaken up about it so he wasn't real excited about it but tim and the 13 year old were all gassed about this shit theelin's not a murderer not well he was the one who had the least fucked up background he's a murderer but obviously because he's done it just the least enthusiastic he ain't no murderer no he ain't one of ours not one of our people probably so as the sun starts to come up they start oh shit we better clean up this campsite uh one thing about beating someone with a log is that is a decent murder weapon

because afterwards you just put it on the campfire gone there's your murder weapon yeah i always heard a detective like 20 years ago said if he was going to kill anybody, he would do it with a block of ice. He said, I'd do it in the summertime. I'd get somebody out by a pool, hit them with a block of ice. I'd throw the ice in the pool and walk away because that shit would be melted by the time anybody found it. No murder weapon. Who knows? Looks like he failed and hit his head.

That's all you could fucking say. I hate that we just gave everybody that. That was a homicide detective in some special TV thing. He said, how would you get away with murder? He goes, real easy you get away with murder? He goes, real easy. And he just said that, like, real matter of fact. I just get him by a poolhead with a black eyeball.

I was like, wow, he's thought about this. I would... Or... Yeah, his wife's like, hey, he made us put a pool in last year. I don't like this. What's going on here? So... He asked for an ice machine. Yeah.

That's what he wants. I get one of those. I need a big block, though. I don't want to like for a glass. I need like, but I'm going to sculpt is what I'm going to do. I've seen the beginning of Frozen. That's the shit that I want from now on. So he puts the log onto the campfire, which is smart, but there's also a knife.

Yeah. Takes a different route home than when they got there to avoid detection and they stopped and bought stopped at a convenience store on the way home to buy cigarettes with the five dollars they stole from gail or gall back when you could buy cigarettes for less than five dollars right so uh pretty impressive that they broke apart a pack of cigarettes to give them five dollars worth of them no shit wow that's impressive he gave you what they gave you 12 cigarettes so they get home uh they get to back to the house tim tells both of the young girls who were staying there the teenage girls who were staying at the house uh that he killed him we killed the bushwhacker we killed him i beat him beat him with a log, stabbed him with a knife.

We threw him in the fucking river. He was bragging about it. He even said, I drank Gaul's blood. I licked the blood from my hands. They all licked the blood. We're vampires. And they were like, yeah, right. The girls were like, you didn't really do that.

And so he showed them. He had Gaul's blood-soaked jacket. He kept that as a souvenir. His blood-soaked jacket and other items there. He's like, well, why do I have this and why do I have that? We fucking killed him. Drank his blood. So the girls were obviously a little freaked out here. A little more impressed?

Yeah. Also, Bill Benedict is there, the 15-year-old who didn't go on the trip. He was smart. He stayed behind with two girls. Hell yeah. So you're going to go camping in the middle of the night in the winter or stay here with girls. Right. You guys have a good time good time wait you mean to tell me the house is gonna be empty except for these two chicks i'll hang here they'll get a handy that night nobody else did a double double so he uh uh mark erickson the older brother described the murder to bill benedict

that evening and uh you know basically he's told god told benedict that gall's death was quote not really that big of a deal he's like i mean it freaked us out it's in the end not that big of a deal he's just you know he's the bushwhacker who gives a shit about him fuck him that was kind of it there so uh what ends up happening is march 24th, 1988. A tip leads police to search in that part of the river for Gall's body. Where does that tip come from? Well, we'll get to that in a second. But what do they find with Donald Gall? What do they do to him?

They do an autopsy. They say he died from multiple stab wounds and brain injuries. He sustained 12 stab wounds to his face and deep slash wounds to his neck and left wrist. The fractures to his skull were too numerous to count. Wow. Too numerous to count. He had a dust skull. They made his skull in a jigsaw puzzle out of this shit.

The medical examiner said, quote, all I can tell you is that the skull had been fractured so many times that the top of the skull came apart in four large pieces he couldn't put him back together no humpty was done um yeah that's they fucking beat that kid they beat this man unmercifully i mean that's horrible they just beat him and beat him and beat him till they got bored of beating him you know like i guess we'll just kill him now what a way to die holy shit um they believed the knife uh was a murder weapon and they go to the flop house and search the flop house and guess what they find no the fucking knife in the house of course so who gave the tip well at 4 a.m on march 24th a couple hours before the body was found a shit-faced bill benedict hammered at 4 a.m literally wandered fucking stumbled into the police station the same is dry just all out of

he wasn't drunk he was just jerked off by two girls it felt just so good so i'll tell you he was so empty of jizz he wobbled to the police station not a drop left not a drop in my body so bill all out of jizz benedict here uh yeah he went into the St. Cloud Law Enforcement Center and reported the murder. Shit-faced at 4 a.m. They found him a short distance from there. He was still caught in the ice. This guy didn't float very far.

Later on, they went to the house, found the knife, but they didn't find Tim there. Where they did find him was the St. Cloud bus terminal. That's where he was. He's leaving town. He was fucking getting out of there. Wow. He was taken off. They found him at the bus terminal. Too many have i done what have i told everyone about this i really bragged about the blood drinking i really got carried away about that one i really thought those chicks were going to respond differently to that news i thought they were going to like i thought they're going to jerk me off like they did with

bill turns out their hands were stuck together not into it yeah still a little sticky so he's taken to the interrogation room uh there where he's advised of his rights they go through a whole thing where they say you've been arised to your right to remain silent a whole lot of yes questions having these rights in mind are you willing to give me a statement at this time yeah uh the cop says tim we've been talking to you since about 12 35 this afternoon about an incident that occurred earlier in the week. At that time, I read the warning and statement of rights and you signed it and agreed to talk to us in your subsequent conversation. We discussed a homicide, which you admitted in your involvement at this time. We would like you to take to take a written statement from you going over what we've already gone over verbally.

And I would like to ask you the same questions and answers and put it on paper and he said no problem and they said do you want a lawyer here at this time before you do that and he said not much he can do so keep that in mind that's his answer not much he can do about the lawyer okay so that's his version of i'd like a lawyer apparently so he initially denied any involvement in the murder. But after they do tests to show there's blood on his jacket and blood on his boots and blood on every fucking thing he owns and his fingerprints on the knife and everything else in the fucking world that would connect him to this and five witnesses and everything, he started to cry. The lost boy has tears. Little Kiefer cried his eyes out. Corey, suck it up.

Confessed to the murder. Yeah. So he's not much of a vampire in the end. No. They didn't record the initial one, but then he repeated his confession to a police stenographer. Now, the sheriff makes a statement here, which is hilarious. This is the sheriff's statement to the town to calm everybody down here. Quote, at least one, if not two of the suspects we have in custody did consume some of the

victim's blood. They talked about vampirism, not as a cult, but that, but that at least one of the individuals was very interested in, or had talked about vampirism ever since watching the movie, the lost boys. Uh, he said, uh, uh, quote quote we don't feel this is a cult we have found nothing that indicates any group or meetings or any literature like they're going to get together and put pamphlets together these fucking idiots uh we do not know or we do know that at least one or two of the suspects from the statements we got did consume the blood at the scene not much not that much of it but they did i don't think the amount really matters when you're talking about consuming a

stranger's blood they put blood in their mouths they didn't do like a fucking like a drink of 40 of it what are we talking about they didn't have a vehicle to get the blood from the man to their mouth that doesn't mean anything they didn't use it as a mixer he used the right yeah he put his hands together and got as much as he could didn't't have a bourbon and blood, bourbon and bushwhacker blood. So he said, quote, they could have placed an important role in the murder, but there are also indications that the victim had been mean to or pushed two of the suspects around a little bit, and they were unhappy about that. So they're charged.

Mark is charged with interfering with the scene of a death, which is a gross misdemeanor. We'll talk about why here. It's pretty gross. Tim and Andrew and the 13-year-old are all charged with first-degree murder. Oh, yeah. In Sherburn County Court. The 13-year-old will be tried as a juvenile because in Minnesota, at least at that time, nobody could be tried as an adult if you'renesota at least at that time no nobody could be tried as

an adult if you're under 14 no matter what the circumstances are because you know no matter what you're not an adult yeah i mean do we do we just forget that english is a language when we say we're going to charge that nine-year-old as an adult that's great did you hear what you said nine-year-old as an adult what else would you let what other adult things would you let a nine-year-old do fucking nothing jesus christ so he's charged they're charged with first degree murder erickson is charged in adult courts they're gonna have to do a bunch of things to see if phelan can be charged in juvenile or whatever or adult court prosecutor requests that the hearing be held to determine if Dillon should be charged as an adult. They're held under $250,000 bond here.

Both of them, the 13 year olds being held at a juvenile detention center. They have to do the grand jury and all that sort of thing. Now, they can. The crimes here carry a uh carry you know life terms obviously first degree murder a court-appointed clinical psychologist and probation officer recommended that phelan be prosecuted in the adult system in his report to the court he said that there would be enough time there would not be enough time to reform him in the juvenile system which makes sense uh tim erickson pleads not guilty obviously because he's a fucking moron and uh they try

to suppress statements made to investigators on the grounds that he was coerced into talking after he denied you know denied he said he's saying i said the lawyer wouldn't help much i didn't say i didn't want one right which is a load of shit there's not much he can do but yeah get him here that's what i meant please uh the newspaper lately boy does this go crazy the local paper teenage vampire movie murder killers crazy stuff here's the play on newspaper headline vampire movie may play role in murder god damn that's the headline that's the headline it says in a scene from the movie lost boys a group of young vampires watch from the trees as teenagers drink alcohol and listen to rock music around a waterfront campfire.

Suddenly, the vampires swoop down upon the startled teenagers, brutally kill them and drink their blood. Fiction seems to meet reality in what may be one of the most bizarre murder investigations in St. Cloud history. There were not many movies with them after this who the the corys no they did a bunch of the teen ones after this yeah because this was like right around this they did license to drive was that before this wasn't it no that was like 88 they did that dream a little dream bullshit that crap bad yeah they did all that shit. They did a bunch of shit movies. This was like the unwinding, though, of them.

And maybe the murder contributed. They did a movie in the early 90s as like adults where they were like college age where there was like a wannabe like dark kind of action-y movie where there's like fuck scenes in it and shit. What? It's got Nicole Eggert from Charles in Charge.

Have I seen this? The blonde from Charles in Charge. Have I seen this? The blonde from Charles in Charge. Yeah, she's hot. She's new to shit, banging Corey Haim in this movie. Get out of here. Swear to God, as a teenager, I was like, oh boy,

I saw it on Cinemax at like two in the morning when I was like, oh my God. How's it going? Holy shit, this is something. I'll have to get into that. Oh my. Yeah, so that was, yeah, they were in. Nicole Eggert's tits.

It was like low budget i don't think it was like it was not hers here's a bunch of eight no it was her it was her whole sure it was her whole body was it her face too though yeah it was her whole she was humping away there was no way they oh she was humping away oh no no it was it was a it was a fucking what do you think they're they're not going in for close-ups here they're not resetting the cameras we got a master shot and we're using it load it up put your tits away and let's go. We can only afford one camera. We got to pay Nicole an extra $100 for every 10 minutes her tits are out. That's in her contract.

So let's wrap it up. Sony Danza is going to be pissed. Oh, man. He wasn't in that. That's Charles in charge. Oh, yeah. Scabio. Yeah.

I saw who's the boss in my head. Fucking racist asshole. I don't know. Some guinea. Some guinea. Some fucking guy that talks funny. You know, I don't know. One of these fucking guys.

Fucking rigatoni on his shirt. So Mark Erickson, the older brother, pleads guilty to charges of destroying evidence at a murder scene and helping a suspect avoid arrest. He's released on $6, dollars bond and is set to be sentenced later on but part of that agreement is he agrees to fully testify against his brother and andrew thielen in all of their trials in exchange for a recommendation of no more than two years in prison oh that's nice mark that's a sweetheart deal yeah the trial for mark's going to be bifurcated which means two phases, one for guilt and one for sanity, basically, rather than it seems like a fucking waste. But not to do that all at once.

But I guess whatever. So phase one is the guilt phase, I guess you want to say. Mark Erickson testifies that he heard his brother and them discussing maybe we'll kill someone on the way to the campsite. and them discussing maybe we'll kill someone on the way to the campsite. He said that Tim repeatedly, you know, beat him for an hour and a half while this man asked, why are you doing this? After calling several meetings about it. After calling meetings about it and having huddles and going back and forth. Now, Tim's excuse is he says he was so intoxicated when Gall was killed

that he was rendered incapable of forming either the intent to kill or premeditation necessary to be a first degree murder. He just says, you know, can't do it. great deal of beer and ephedrine and smoke marijuana during the day and night and together with the evidence that his high tolerance for drugs and alcohol allows him to mask the effects of it you know like a 60 year old alcoholic guy can be walking and talking and shit face but you don't realize it because he's an alcoholic they're saying he's gotten to that point by 17 where he's blackout drunk but he's walking and talking like nobody knows um no it takes a while to temper yourself that's tough to do that's about 20 years of liver hardening alcoholism before you can get to that fucking point uh so they said he would have seemed normal to others and that means that he would have been unable to premeditate murder and he's not guilty

of first degree however uh two of the witnesses one of them was his own brother said that they observed him extremely intoxicated and that uh they know when he's drunk you can tell when he's drunk and he just wasn't drunk that then he had they'd gotten over all the drinking they had done basically um also they put other evidence of deliberation of the murder like they have formulated two different fucking plans went into the woods to talk about it, then dragged him to the river's edge and back to the campfire and fucking popped him up against a tree, slit his throat. You know, this is his first degree as it gets played with the blood, cleaned up the campsite, made his way home to avoid detection, robbed the guy. I mean, Jesus fucking Christ sucked on him, sucked sucked on him had the other kids suck on him jesus uh verdict comes out after by the way 90 minutes of deliberation seems too interesting right well 90 minutes for 90

minutes it's not too bad they find him so it takes 90 minutes to either beat a man to death or to find him guilty of first-degree murder. So either way, you're fucked for 90 minutes. In Minnesota. In Minnesota. Phase two, is he crazy or just an asshole? That's basically what this is. Defense attorney tries to show that he's mentally ill. That's his problem.

He's mentally ill. He has a portion. You know, he's mentally ill. They said he watched Conan the Barbarian. They bring this up in court. He watched the Highlander. He watched the Lost Boys. He's all fucked up in the head. You don't understand what's going on. The defense attorney said that on that day,

he'd consumed 51 doses of amphetamine, which seems like a lot. And he said that that's enough to cause psychosis and he wouldn't have known what he was doing. OK, sure. They had the mother come on and testify that Tim was a troubled kid who was beaten by his alcoholic father and emotionally abused and all that sort of thing. by his alcoholic father and emotionally abused and all that sort of thing. But during cross-examination, the attorney said, when did your husband stop drinking? And she said, 1973. So I don't know how that works. It's been a minute.

It's been a few since he's been drunk. He might have beaten them, but he didn't drunkenly beat them, at least since the early 70s. He might have beaten them, but he didn't drunkenly beat them, at least since the early 70s. So the county attorney is obviously trying to show they planned the murder. He says, quote, this was shown when he called the others off into the woods to convince them to help him with the killing. The disposing of the body, burning Gall's personal identification and taking an alternate route home was all evidence he was trying to cover up what he'd known he'd done. There's a big difference between being mentally ill and having a flawed personality what he has is a personality problem he said he's an asshole yeah that's what he is basically it's a flawed personality it's just a bad one big difference between legally ill and an asshole we're gonna go with asshole on this one uh two

psychiatrists reject the argument that he's mentally ill. They also diagnose him as an asshole, which is pretty interesting. They say they evaluated him at the St. Cloud at St. Peter State Hospital, where they were called there. And they said, no, he's just a fucking asshole. They said that he has an antisocial personality disorder and has abused various drugs, but there's no sign of mental illness. He said basically that Erickson, through talking to him, he was cooperative and cheerful during his evaluation. He said he introduced himself as, quote, the vampire murderer from St. Cloud. How are you doing? Vampire murderer, St. Cloud. Nice to meet you. Nice to meet you. Where's the kids? All right.

And he seemed to enjoy some kind of instant celebrity status among the patients. He's the crazy one. During one discussion, however, though, Erickson expressed remorse for the killing and claimed the drugs made him do it. He said that Erickson drank beer, smoked marijuana, took 51 doses of amphetamine, blah, blah, blah. Another psychiatrist said that he has reported hearing voices since 1983. So that would be since 12 years old.

He said that, quote, the voices used to talk to me about what to do, but now they just laugh at me. That's mocking voices. I hate when that happens. I hate when that happens. Can you imagine? Tell me what to do. If the people in your head just made fun of you all day?

Just laughed at you. Not even made funny. Just laughed at you. Ha ha. Dip shit. Perfect. You sat there giggling in here. Whenever you fuck up.

Yeah. So they said he's not antisocial. He's just, or he's not sick. He's just antisocial. He said about 50% of convicted felons would be diagnosed as having antisocial personality disorder, which comes from growing up in an abusive household, mostly. He said, so that would be everybody we'd have to let out of prison. His sister and mother testified that his father beat him with a two-foot-long rubber hose and all that shit.

Psychologists testified in his defense, saying that he suffers from an organic brain disorder, which results from damage and that's his problem he's got a lot of problems they said dr william erickson no relation just everyone in minnesota is named fucking erickson with two k's with two when the ck or ch it's eric son everybody he said there's no evidence that he suffered any brain damage at all and he doesn't even believe that so uh yeah he says that the jury should excuse him because of his clinical fucking brain damage and all that sort of thing the judge on the other hand says you sir may fuck off life in prison yeah life that's it out with nothing no he's life he's done life without yeah enjoy mister so he's life. He's done. Life without. Enjoy, mister. So he's gone there. Now, the 13 year old, he's in juvenile.

They treat a 13 year old much differently, especially one influenced by older people like that. Meanwhile, he's a fucking psychopath. That kid. Yeah. His grandfather says about him, quote, he acts like it's no big deal. Doesn't seem to realize the seriousness of it. He thinks he will just do a year and that's it.

He tells us the guy deserved to die. He never really tells us what he did, except that he did beat up some of the kids sometimes. The kid has no fucking remorse. None. Even Tim said he felt bad. Yeah. For Christ, you know, he's a fucking vampire. This kid is the most dangerous one of all of them.

He's like, I'll do it again. He stabbed him in the face, all shit. He was having fun just stabbing and cutting. And the kid's the sickest one out of this group, I think. The other one's just an idiot. But that I can understand, too, because if a kid is 13 and he's on his own and he thinks he can just hold his own with these lunatics. You're going to get canard.

Yeah. You know? Yeah. Little St. Cloud canard. A little badass little saint cloud canard a little badass little badass absolutely boy it's fucking crazy uh now he mark erickson he's out on bond yeah uh through this whole thing because he's got a lighter sentence as we talked about he said quote i've been living all around i'm trying to lose people there's a dude from montana says he wants to hang tim and me he doesn't even know gall so now he's getting all sorts of threats yeah people are

saying lynch mob vampire yeah the fucking vampire cult in our town and all that shit so he's getting threats all over the place and making wooden stakes oh you know coming with forks pitchforks and stakes and torches torches are the word I was looking for. Garlic around their neck. You know it. Holy water flicking at them. Let's go. All across. So, 89, he has an appeal. He argues that the evidence of his delusional thoughts

about the occult and vampires should undercut the opinions of the doctors. That he's clearly mentally ill. I thought I was in Lost Boys for Christ's sake. Come on. Clearly, that's fucking crazy, right?

Yeah. So, yeah, they're trying to find out if he's psychotic and they figure out he's not fucking psychotic they they admit his 14 page confession which he claims he was he claims was coerced and it was a violation of his right to counsel because he said that he an attorney wouldn't help him uh they he says that he was only 18 years old with almost no previous contact with the criminal system when arrested bullshit um has a history of psychological problems true and and is addicted to chemicals and the detectives left his half emptied bottle of wine on the table before him during the interrogation. They left it there, so that made him confess. Okay.

He said he had psychological problems and everything like that, but the court said, yeah, you weren't coerced into shit. They don't believe that a new trial is required, even if the confession was admitted improperly. The evidence is so overwhelming, you don't even need the confession. You have everybody else telling us what you did. Your brother told us what you did. We don't even need the confession you have everybody else telling us what you did your brother told us what you did we don't need you to confess so they said the jury heard eyewitness from two testimonies heard testimony from three people who he confessed to before he was arrested showing them physical evidence all sorts of physical evidence keep fucking off yeah

uh no 2007 another appeal this is a post-conviction appeal here. He says he's denied a fair trial. Prosecutorial misconduct. Judicial misconduct. The whole system's on trial, Jimmy. Ineffective assistance of trial counsel. You're out of order. You're out of order. I'm out of order.

Ineffective assistance of appellate counsel. Everybody failed me. You all got what you wanted. She got what she wanted. She got what she wanted. You got what you wanted. Everybody got what they fucking wanted. Bang, bang. Sorry.

He's punching trucks. I went into a love after lockup moment there. He had a Chevy pickup truck driven into the courtroom so he could beat it up. So he could beat it just for that. It was a unanimous decision to uphold the conviction and the sentence here uh they said this is insanity but you're not quite that insane so go fuck yourself here he claims prosecutorial misconduct is my favorite on this one you told everybody you drank his fucking blood how are you gonna say that they

misconducted you at any misconducted anything jesus fucking christ here so uh after that he's kind of shit out of luck except for 2014 he's got another appeal here he files a petition a petition for post-conviction relief he alleges his appellate attorney had been ineffective for allegedly failing to investigate his claims and instead improperly relying on trial counsel and crafting a strategy on appeal. He claimed that he had newly discovered evidence to support his claim. Brand new evidence. Yeah, there's no there.

The Supreme Court agreed with the trial court that the letter that he had did not constitute newly discovered evidence and the case is sufficient to eat shit and die keep fucking off uh he's in jail here he is in jail he's got the flattest top i've ever seen on a man that guy drank blood he drank some blood there he is um he uh is in life life expiration anticipate a release date life expiration date life fucked uh his case's on here if you want to contact her. Scroll back up. He's kind of a chubby Timothy McVeigh. He kind of looks McVeighish.

I think it's just a flat top, though. He's a white guy with a flat top. But he looks way different. I'll post his teen arrest picture on social media, and that'll be the picture we post. He looks way different in that. So that's him. That is St. Cloud, Minnesota. What a place that is the vampire cult murders of saint cloud murder of saint cloud like it's out right

by now probably right that 13 year old oh yeah i don't know he probably i think he did a year i think he did like a year or two everybody's out but but but tim oh jesus tim's gonna be oh his name's tim too yeah he looks very mcveigh yeah yeah tim yeah tim erickson so he's in there they're all that's that's that um i mean nobody even like really mourned donald gall so it's not it's like one of those yeah he had a bad end he's had a shit life and a bad end and he wasn't wasn't a good guy from the start the poor guy's life was fucked he had a pretty fucked life and that's a bad that's a bad way to end life for anybody. That sucks.

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It'd be easier if they all just had cock in them, wouldn't it? Michelle Cock McMorris, Sarah Cock Grove, Ryan Cock Sheehan, Jeff Cockconover, Paul Cockside. See how much easier it flows for you? It's just more natural. Ricky Cockclark, Willie Wilcock P. Ricky Cockclark is my favorite for some reason. Sorry, Ricky Cockclark. Savannah Allen, Nicole Moon, Kaylee Fay, Leah Heath.

You're right. It's because I got time in between the name when I say cock, because that rolls through. It rolls through. Then my brain starts to process the last name. Exactly. Matt Nassar. Janet Kroschek. Ewan Edding.

Fuck. Zach Hall. Alex with no last name. Kimberly Hawley. Michael. Mikael Erickson. Krista Schmidt. Amber with no last name.

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Nicholas Koliskinikoff, David Bagshaw, Veronica Price, Dallas Martin, nicoff uh cockless yes kakliskov uh david bagshaw veronica price dallas martin tyler william cruz jeff stanton uh where did i go here uh nicole francis mark davis brenton mead sean and elizabeth hansen wick wick with cat uh ethan judd austin osment jeff stein, Padraig Murphy, Joanne Bagley, Tim Baker, Emma Kisu, Laura Carson, Samantha Stafford, Yvonne Astatki, I think. We're there. We're right here. Stephanie Cruz, Ian Woodhams, Mariah Plotkin, Heather Legg, Laura Ellen Burtzfield, Alexandra Brakovich, Brakovanovich, Brakovanovich. Kokanovich? Yep, Kokanovich.

See how much easier it is. It's so much easier. Connor, Cock, McKelvey, Austin, Wood, and his Cock parents. Hey! What? Thanks, Cock parents. We appreciate that. You guys are amazing.

Will Nagel, Laura Ellen, Brutsfield, Tamer, Chalker, Jacob, DeSaro, Efren, Dominguez, Ellen Brutsfield, Tamar Chalker, Jacob Disaro, Efren Dominguez, Zococ Cahill, Deontre Cockbrinson, Cabrinha Cockbethany, Jason Hippich, Benjamin Fleming, Gregory Thomas, Marijuana, oh, I see what you did there, Jill Fry, Scott Denon, Chris with no last name, Catechino, I see what you did, Lex Leary, Eric Weinholdhold tarot taylor taylor m chris or peter cock cast kristin cock zisk uh lindsey cock newton uh kelsey cock taylor and peyton cock donaldson you guys are fucking incredible thank you thank you everybody so much for everything that you do for us overwhelming and uh we are going to keep hustling and putting out as much as we can and uh we're going to keep hustling and putting out as much as we can.

And we're going to keep those bonus episodes churning. This week, we've done a lot the last few weeks. We needed a week with no bonus episode to candle some family shit. So get that in. Life happens, no matter what. It does happen. It doesn't stop because of the pandemic.

No, or because of anything. We still have to do goddamn shows here. Family shit still happens. Family shit still happens. Your kids still need you do things and and fucking help them with stuff so uh we're gonna do that and uh but next week we will have bonus episodes of both shows so you're gonna get a whole oh yeah tell me about it like oh a lot of research coming up but uh that's uh you know what if people wanted to get a hold of you jimmy how could they do that what if they wanted to tell you something you could find me at wismanSucks, W-H-I-S-M-A-N sucks on Twitter and Instagram, like Sarah Kalin did.

It's her birthday. I don't know if you know that, James. Happy birthday, Sarah. Happy birthday to you. Thank you so much for everything you guys do. Where can they find you? That rhymed. Oh, so much you do.

Where can they find you? You can find me at JimmyPIsFunny, or just copy and paste my name from the show description. Do it that way. Also, vote for us for the Webby Awards. Yeah. Do that. I don't know how you do it. It's Webby Awards.

You find it. You know what? I know where it is. We're up for it. We're up for the comedy version. Best comedy podcast. We're also up for like the choice People's Choice Award. So we're not going to win the People's Choice Award because we're up against like youtubers that have way more following this it's a ridiculous amount of yeah so

but you guys have you got us in like second place right now so if we can do that man we're happy that that thank you so much we don't care either way because like vote.webbiawards.com there you go perfect do that like i said do it if you feel like it we i mean it doesn't really matter to us if we fucking win a thing or not. Like Tribe Paul Quest said. We didn't start this for fucking awards. Never let a statue tell me how nice I am. That's true.

As Fife Dog once told us. Yeah. So fuck it. Let's do that. Rest in peace, Fife. Rest in peace, Fife Dog. Is Fife Dog dead? He's dead.

Oh, that's a shame. I love Fife Dog. Damn it. Well, fuck it. What are you going to do? That said, copy and paste my last name, whatever, show description, at Jimmy P is funny. You know how that fucking works. Whatever.

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