Small Town Murder - #171 - Til Dismemberment Do Us Part in Decatur, Alabama

Episode Date: May 14, 2020

This week, in Decatur, Alabama, a young widow, with an infant daughter finds love with a new husband, but he doesn't quite provide her with the lifestyle she desires, so she decides to leave him. He does everything he can to find her, and finally gives up. What happens next still has people talking, even 30 years later! This one has some twists! Along the way, we find out that Alabama loves hot air balloons, that you should always think before you murder, and a new use for a utility knife!! Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman New episodes every Thursday! Donate at: patreon.com/crimeinsports or go to paypal.com & use our email: [e-mail] Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder & Crime In Sports! Follow us on... twitter.com/@murdersmall facebook.com/smalltownpod instagram.com/smalltownmurder Also, check out James & Jimmie's other show, Crime In Sports! On iTunes, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts# See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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So do that. And everybody else wants to have a good time and hear a crazy story about a wild murder. Let's do this. Let's sit back, everybody, and shout, shut up and give me murder. Let's do this, Jimmy. Great. Let's go on a trip, shall we? I'd love up and give me murder. Let's do this, Jimmy. Great. Let's go on a trip, shall we? I'd love to.

Let's go. Let's go. We're going all the way from Minnesota last week. It was a nice place. Freezing. Yeah. Freezing, middle of nowhere. I'm told that place really, really sucks.

I am, too, by all the people that live there. They sent us messages saying, I mean, you trashed it, but not nearly enough. They were like, that's the thing. People always ask us, are people in these towns mad at us? Never. Generally, they're mad when we're not mean enough. Right. They're never mad that we're too mean, except for Anniston, Alabama, when one person got

mad and wrote an article. But I think we had our fun with him. He's got a shirt or two. Let's see if he's got anything to say about this one. I don't think so. But this week, it's a little different. We're going to Decatur, Alabama. Okay. The South so but uh this week it's a little different we're going to decatur alabama okay the south is full of those it's a lot of decaders yeah there's one

in georgia i can't wait to find out the fuck that means and i'm sure it's pronounced different in alabama i'm sure it's decadir all right which whatever if it is i'm fine but we're gonna say decatur and you can correct us if you want and i will not care one bit so the it's in north central alabama you're like kind of right up in the middle, up near Huntsville. It's about a half hour away from Huntsville, up by the Tennessee border there. About an hour and 50 minutes to Nashville. Right over there. It's about an hour and 20 minutes north of Jasper, Alabama.

Oh. Jasper was our last Alabama episode way back, episode 117, May 1st, 2019. My word. I have not been in Alabama for a while. Yeah. That's on purpose. Yeah. This town is in two different counties.

It's one of those that kind of goes over the border of Limestone and Morgan counties. It's area code 256, 54 square miles this place is. The town? The town. It's a big, conking area. It's sprawling. It's sprawling and kind of gets thinner out toward the edges of it, as you might imagine. That's how you get multiple counties out there.

Well, yeah, and it's also on a river. So anything on a river, they're going to take as much riverfront as they can for the town. Sure. It's one of those. So the different nicknames of this town, I don't even have to make them up because one of them is hilarious. These are all for a reel, by the way different nicknames of this town i don't even have to make them up because one of them's hilarious so these are all for a real by the way nicknames nicknames of the town all four are real let's start with the river city yeah it's on a river that's not very creative the heart of the valley again we've probably heard that from three other towns at least not a big deal heart of something the city of opportunity which is is, I'm sorry, I'm heading to Decatur.

People, I know, my relatives came from Italy, and I know they huddled when the Nazis were taking over Italy. They huddled together and they said, someday, someday, son, I'm going to send you to America. If you're going to go to Decatur, Alabama, the city of opportunity. See, they landed in New York and they were like, we just can't get there. We can't get all the way to Alabama. They want to let us in. We're exhausted already. They said, no, you cannot come.

We're going to settle here, unfortunately. Oh, no. In the city of opportunity, matter of fact. And then the fourth one is the one that i couldn't have made this up if i tried it's more ridiculous the chicago of the south you lying bastard no no you are not if that if that was true if that were true the south is that's some sorry shit if decatur is the chicago i don't know what to say. That would make, I guess, Atlanta is the New York. I don't know.

But this is not okay. Got L.A. down in Baton Rouge. That's Houston, I think. L.A. is Houston. I'm not sure how this works. Unbelievable. Chicago of the South, everybody. The history of this town, it was initially known as Rhodes Ferry Landing.

It was the initial place. There's a lot of times that'll be in a river town. It was named after Dr. Henry W. Rhodes, who owned a shitload of land in this area and operated the ferry that crossed the river. So he's the ferry guy. You name the place after him, I guess. That makes sense. Yeah. What are you going to do?

It was Rhodes Ferry Park is where he had the river, which is still there now. They incorporated it as Decatur in 1821. It was named in honor of Stephen Decatur after he was killed in a duel in 1820. That's awesome. Yeah. So he was killed in a duel and he was friends with President Monroe. Why don't you name it after the winner of that duel? No, no, no.

Well, the Decatur guy was friends with President Monroe. Got it. So he was killed and Monroe directed out that the Alabama town be named. The president told Alabama to name this town after his buddy. And every other town that you can find in the South. They really had no choice. So apparently he went through the South and was like, my friend is going to be known throughout every goddamn state in this union. He went door to door.

It's weird as shit. Goddamn, Monroe really this union. He went door to door. It's weird as shit. Goddamn, Monroe really liked him. He muscled in a name there. That's pretty awesome. We've got to have a friend in high places. A loser in a duel got so many things named after him. That's so cool. Jesus Christ.

I could do that. I could lose a duel. Fuck yeah. I'm not friends with any presidents. That's the problem. I guarantee probably nine of ten duels I'm going to lose them. Oh, probably. I don't know how to duel. I don't think I can quick draw. I don't know how to duel. Unless it was with swords. That's the problem. I guarantee probably nine of ten duels, I'm going to lose them. Oh, probably. I don't know how to duel.

I don't think I can quick draw. I don't know how to duel. Unless it was with swords. It's probably with guns, right? This is with, I assume they probably had a big case where they took, like, special dueling pistols out of that they've had on the shelf. You get the silver one. Yeah, this was like, when rich people kill each other, it's a, there's spectacle behind

it. There's some pageantry. There's some pageantry. It's a gala affair, you know? The women came with bonnets and little umbrellas with fucking frilly doily shit on the edges of it. That is crazy that they would do that. Line the fucking streets with guys with six shoes. It happened all the time back then.

And people miss all the time. Oh, people had duels. Well, they'd stand on the sides. I don't give a shit. You can go off the... I can shank one. And suppose you get shot and shoot off to the side. That's my point. They used to go off the... I can shank one. And suppose you get shot and shoot off to the side. That's my point.

They used to go watch the war itself. Like, when the Civil War started... There was, like, spectators for that shit? When the Civil War started, the rich people thought it was going to be, like, a quick little thing where they'd have a couple battles and that would be the end of it. Wow. They went to hillsides that overlooked the battlefields. Rich people brought their carriages and had picnics.

And, oh, let's watch the battle. Holy shit. And they'd watch a Civil War battle take place before them. They thought it was like, oh. This will be adorable. Yeah, that's what they thought it was. Because they were like, oh, we've heard about battle. Remember that?

That seems quaint. And the European vision of battle was like this honorable thing. And we'll all watch it. And the ladies dressed up. That's horrifying. Yeah, it was like they were going to a polo match, basically, but they were watching men slaughter each other at a very close range. They needed CNN. That would have helped something.

I don't care which news channel you watch. It would have to be better than being in that close of proximity. I'm just picturing seeing the war footage from CNN from Desert Storm. That's close enough. I don't want to be there. Some guy on the floor in from CNN from Desert Storm. Yeah, the 19. That's close enough. I want to be there. Some guy on the floor in a hotel room. Yeah, narrating flashes. That's what he was.

He was like, there's a lot of shit going on out there, guys. The room is shaking. That was loud. Oh, boy, the cable's out. Okay. Okay. Everybody at home right now. The tracers are going off.

And he's just... He's seeing flashes and counting Mississippis until the noise... Sky! The sky's light! It's very bright! That was close! Oh, boy! That was a close one.

You could... That one shook the foundation of the building. Oh, boy! Professionalism, professionalism, journalism school, what they teach me. Fuck! Walter Cronkite's a god! I just want a dude to panic

and be like, goddammit, fuck this! I just shit my pants. There's shit running down my leg currently, Wolf. Wolf, there's shit it's running down my leg. I think that was Wolf Blitzer, actually, with shit running down his leg. I'm sure it was. That's how he got famous was being over there, you know, whatever.

Tell my family I love them. tell my family i fucking hate them they're all a disappointment if i make it i want a divorce especially my daughter tell her i'm very disappointed in her her boyfriend's an asshole oh boy oh jesus christ so during the civil war because of its location because it was on the tennessee river anything on waterways was strategically a big deal in the civil war obviously railroads and waterways you had to take clearly so and it also was a crossing of two major railroads so you had a river and railroads this was a big deal to take over this town strategically so decatur ended up being the site of a bunch of fighting during the civil war bunch of scraps and encounters happen

here and then the the union occupy the union army occupied it the the city early in the civil war and the commanding general ordered all but four of the buildings in town be destroyed really fuck this town he said basically that that's what they used to do a lot because that was the strategy with you you didn't want to the enemy's war supply you didn't want to leave it there want to abandon everything in in bad unusable shape it's the sherman's march to the sea it would fucking burn everything behind you just level the everything from here to the atlantic did he pick which four buildings or was it it just like, you know, use your discretion. Pick four. Whichever four you deem to be the nicest.

This was a Southern Sophie's choice. Whichever four house the ladies with the largest breasts shall stand. All others shall perish before me. I am the general. So that's what happened anyway. So bricks from some of the churches in town town because they tore a lot of them down yeah well there's more than four churches so it's gonna be that they were used to build stoves and chimneys for buildings that house soldiers so it just got turned into a war town the four buildings that remained are still standing by no kidding yes

it's the old state bank which is still there the dancy polk house that's the whorehouse yeah you know it was dancing in the wind we can't burn that it's dancy and you give it a poke you know how it is dancy pokes well we'll spell it poke like the guy but we'll you know you know everybody knows what we mean i'm saying buddy you know what the fuck i'm talking about right elbowing each other the todd house and the burleson hines mcintyre house all stand so a bank and three three houses are all that remained there after the union victory in the battle of atlanta a confederate army under john bell hood who was a bad motherfucker actually he was a badass general reading a lot of civil war stuff he he basically had a battle here with a much larger force, a garrison

of the Union soldiers in 1864. That was the Battle of Decatur there. And the city was under Confederate control for a little while. And they mapped out the plans for the Battle of Shiloh there. That was at the Burleson-Hines-McIntyre House, which I guess that's why it still stands that's awesome it's it's interesting a lot of this history yeah a little civil war is interesting because it started and ended in the same guy's house really in a different place was that uh fuck face uh no this guy who was a farmer yeah the first battle happened near his farm he had to get rid of that he had to take off because his farm was, you know,

overrun. It was under siege. And then the signing of the Appomattox, the signing, was done in his living room. Unbelievable. In a different place. He moved. Oh, Jesus! The fucking war found him. Think about that. It didn't start and end in the same place.

You know what I'm saying? He moved from one place to the next and it found him and he's like, I can't get away from this. Fine. Use my kitchen table, then. I don't give a shit. If this stops at all, fine. Whatever.

Stop it. I don't want any more of this. Imagine that. Wild. That one guy is responsible for, well, really nothing, but it's pretty coincidental anyway. What a guy. Who the fuck knows here? So, New Decatur, Alabama was the city that came out of here that

was west of the railroad tracks so now you had different we had decatur east of the railroad tracks and new decatur west of the railroad tracks there new decatur was founded in 1887 and the residents of the older decatur didn't like the new decatur people oh my god them new decatur's over there west of the track. Who would want to live west of the tracks? Think about it. That's the wrong side. That's the wrong side of the dang tracks now.

It's founded and occupied by people who moved down from northern states, a lot of it. That's all it is. Got it. You could be the greatest person in the world. They'll hate your guts down there. Of course. You could come down with gold that you're throwing to children and candy and flowers and they'd be like fucking yankee who's he thinking he has given money to everybody he's

better than me making us rich right thinking he's better than me they don't they just hate northerns and if you're southern listening you're laughing because you know it's fucking true that's what's funny it's what you are who cares you know what i mean it's hilarious we think you're dumb no matter who you are up north so So we both have our misconceptions. It's the same. You can come up and just be like, this formula is perfect. And we'd be like, you fucking dummy. It's like that Bill Burr show.

Stupid idiot. If Einstein had a southern accent, we would have lost the war. We wouldn't have. We would have been like, he doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about. I'm telling you, this shit works. Stop. Stop. Enough.

There's an Austrian guy. Let's listen to him. It's not as smart but it makes so much sense if we just kill the jews it's not bad yeah yeah no you know you're fucking jesus christ never mind so uh new decatur stoked the fire even more by renaming their town we don't even want to be New Decatur. They named their town Albany after Albany, New York. That's the capital of New York in 1916. So there was a lot of battling going on.

And then finally, the Decatur Kiwanis Club was formed. What is the Kiwanis? It's a civic organization. I don't think it's like a rotary club because that that's like a chamber of commerce, because that's a financial thing. I see the word everywhere. All I know it as is the water club. Hunter Thompson used to always use it as a punchline of like a civic organization.

Where he basically, he said like, in the Hell's Angels books he talks about, what if the Kiwanis is run wild? He says you could have some 60 year old Hell's Angel 40 years from now sitting in his living room in a sport car, Coco, and these damn Kiwanis. We did our thing back in the day, but these Kiwanis are out of control. I don't know what the fuck that means.

So anyway, yeah, they got an equal number of members from each town to try to organize the state to build a bridge between the towns, between everything, and form one city. So they did. They formed one city of Decatur based on both of these. But the eastern parts of Decatur, as the town went on, tended to be a little more suburban. And the western parts were kind of more city-ish a little bit. Because this is like a small city, this place. They had the first wave pool in the United States was built here. Goddamn Kiwanis.

And it's still in operation at Point Mallard Aquatic Center. So there's that. I have reviews of the town. Oh, boy. I have some reviews. These are all current resident reviews. There's a one star. Good old boy city leadership.

Backward vision. Minimum wage opportunities. Terrible roads. Antiquated sewage system. Mediocre schools schools parks and recreation top heavy with management oh boy uh-huh maintenance drive old i don't know what the fuck that means churches abound espousing the old time religion oh boy fast food restaurants abound industries have polluted the soil in tennessee river clicky populace medical care basically disregards medicaid

homeless and indigent. Marketing still boasts the country's first wave pool, though. Desperately needs city manager leadership. Youth services is one-sided administratively and programmatically. Oh, boy. You just described L.A., sir. Law enforcement is okay. Traffic flow is okay.

I would fucking hope so. And then the last sentence, a backward community. There's that. Here's a two-star. If there's a new restaurant in town, they hire a lot of people. But other than that, it's hard to find places hiring above minimum wage. This seems to be a common complaint here. Two-town. There's a two-star.

The town is more suited to older people with families and retirees. Not much to do for young people. I'm a bit surprised about some reviewers favorable rating of the schools. The schools are not great. And the Brookhaven Middle School is particularly bad. While I was there, the school failed to meet state academic standards. Oh, boy. And here's one.

I really enjoy it because it's literally a big square and it's so small. And I like living in a small town. There isn't a huge variety of health and fitness areas, but there is some. We have two different gyms who a couple also a couple parks that people can go exercise and stay fit yeah so not much going on get lost here and i don't i know exactly where i'm going it's all a big square so population of this town right now the population is 54,844 yeah when our murder happened it was about 40,000 people though so in that range the the population's up 13 since 1990 a lot more females than males in this town by like a couple percentage

points which is a little strange median age is pretty close to average it's 39.6 here married and single there's pretty close to average everything's normal except for single with children it's like 25 of the population single with children. It's like 25% of the population single with children. So there's a lot more of that than normal. There's a little higher divorce rate, a little higher widow rate here as well. I don't know what the hell people are doing. But I don't know. The racial breakdown is almost pretty close to national average on things, actually.

62% white. Average in the nation is 61.5%. So not bad. 21.6% black, which is actually much higher than the 12% usual, or average, I should say. We have 0.5% Asian, though. All right. Ain't having none of that now. It's usually 5%.

There's some. 0.5%. There's enough. Listen, Ching Chong, you can run a restaurant or some shit, but you ain't coming in here being all just asian and stuff all around everything you know how y'all are just doing things and hanging out and you're just running around yeah you know how you do you know you have families they're telling me there's no wet market here have families and then y'all just like like live in your houses and

stuff and like eat dinner you know i'll be doing that you know how your people yeah you go like shopping at the store and buy food and come home and cook it and stuff. We don't want none of that stuff. Tell you what. You can have a restaurant, but you got to live in the next town. Live up in Huntsville where they do crazy shit like that. Them fucking Huntsville people, you don't even know. Progressive with the goddamn comedy club.

They got a comedy club over there. Goddamn liberal people coming in from the goddamn West Coast talking about, I don't like this and I don't like that. Well, you know what we don't like? Your shit talking. Keep it in Huntsville, pal. Unbelievable. And by liberal, he means Adam Carolla.

Nick DiPaolo. No, yeah, it's Nick DiPaolo. Not liberal is what we're getting. It's a joke. So anyway, Hispanics about 13 percent religion is as you might imagine higher than usual here it's about 55 percent is religious and uh 30 percent are baptist goddamn baptists are the catholics of the south everybody holy shit that's a lot and 0.0 percent jewish it's no thank you no uh 0.0 percent Jewish. No, thank you. No, 0.0% Muslim.

Now, the Morgan County, politically, last presidential election, it's a little conservative here, as you might imagine. That's about 22% Democrat in the last presidential election. 74% Republican. A little over 3% Independent. Unemployment rate here is pretty low. It's a little lower than the national average, actually. Median house some hold income though is also a little under what it should be it's usually about 58 000 here it's about 43 000 okay that's not bad not terrible though but the problem is it's about 37 of the people here make under 15 000 a year so that's that's a lot i just i can't

fathom i'm sorry 30 000 a year it's about 20 make under 15 000 another 17 so it's that's a lot i just i can't fathom i'm sorry thirty thousand dollars yeah it's about twenty percent make under fifteen thousand another seventeen so it's it's make under thirty thousand that's still almost half the population that's low under thirty thousand that's low yeah and not a lot of people make over a hundred thousand so it's some middle range and some poor and that's how it works here there's more manufacturing jobs than normal so you're going to get kind of a hit and miss yeah with jobs like that there's good jobs and then there's like they said minimum wage under 30 grand though man that's that's wild tough to live for a household that's yeah that's a tough one that's it's brutal so cost of living here overall 100 is regular average par uh here it's

77 okay so it's not bad but housing's 46 very low,000. Very low. That's great. Median home cost here, $106,500. Unreal. Very cheap. And I have found a few deals. If you cannot keep yourself from the Chicago of the South, we have the Decatur, Alabama Real Estate Report. Your average two-bedroom rental here goes for about $700, which is... That's mad cheap. It's cheap, but it's actually high in comparison to the price of housing.

I found a two-bedroom, one-bath, 1,090-square-foot house. So it's a little starter house. That's an apartment without everybody else. Exactly. It's your own little... But $35,000. Holy shit! Yeah, and it's not on wheels. It's not a trailer. That's a real house. It's got a without everybody else. Exactly. It's your own little, but $35,000. Holy shit. Yeah.

And it's not on wheels. It's not a trailer. It's a real house. It's got a foundation and everything. It's 35 grand. That's awesome. Not great, but for 35, for the price of a Toyota Camry, what do you want? You know what I mean?

So I found a three bedroom, three bath, 2,408 square foot, really nice, big Southern front porch, you know, big. T-bowls and B-holes working out there. T-bulls for b-holes. Big judgment porch there to sit there sipping your lemonade. I don't know if something horrible happened here to cause this price to be low, but $72,500

for this house. What the fuck? It's a great house for that price. I don't understand it. That's magnificent. A whole family must have been slaughtered there three weeks ago. Is this the in-cold blood house? You have to clean the blood off the walls has to be the thing. Then I found a four-bedroom, four-bath, 4,400-square-foot house on four acres. All foured out.

All the four you can handle. It's all new and beautiful and nice. Comes with a four-wheeler. Comes with a four-wheeler and a four-wheel drive. Stone. Got a four-door pickup. $569,900 for that for that okay you got a lot of land and shit yeah but you better justify that when i can get three bedrooms three baths down the

road i'll buy four of those houses go from what for that up be in a different place every day boy you don't even know so things to do here oh boy there's only one thing that really matters here jimmy and this is what they tout is their main source of tourism and everything else they love it decatur days oh no well they have that too but this is the alabama jubilee baby why is it a jubilee began we'll talk about it began in 1978 it's the oldest hot air balloon race south of the kentucky derby's great balloon race boy sounds exciting. South of this. It's the oldest one. If you go south of here and east of here,

somewhere between these erasers and these chiclets. Anywhere in here. I'm going to be honest with you right now. Go with the jerk here. And this is the most maybe embarrassing. I've said a lot of things that are embarrassing. I've been to so many balloon races. Are you kidding me? When I was a kid, that was my stepfather's favorite thing.

Because they used to blow up the Energizer Bunny hot air balloon. And that was the rabbit, and then everybody else blows up their balloon and chases it. How do you see them race? They're going away. You fucking stand there. How do you know who's winning? I don't know. And then you watch the bunny land, and then everybody else tries to land near it. And they tell you who won?

No. That sounds terrible to me. I don't think I've ever met a hot air balloon champion no i had a shop teacher who's a big hot air balloon enthusiast one time and really yeah he was really into it but he had like four fingers missing he was a fucking mess i've got one so i guess we were i was on par well he chopped him off with bandsaws as an adult though it's a different thing you were a child you're not responsible for watching a jet race and watching it take off and then being like well i guess we go home and get on the tv to see the finish line get on the tv what do you hear

i don't i never knew who won they have more than 60 balloons here on this and because of the alabama jubilee decatur has been named by the uh by the alab Legislature, the ballooning capital of Alabama. Of Alabama. Very smart. They're really narrowing it. Narrowcast that shit. So here's a list. They have a fireworks extravaganza, an antique tractor show, a classic car show.

Want to look at some old tractors? Not really, but the car show I'm into. That's cool. Arts and crafts, of course. Live stage entertainment. They don't even tell you who, so you know that's not going to be great. You know, that's local. Open micers there.

A children's area. I feel like that's just a fence where they just go, go run around, kids. Not dead. He's going to go look at this old stew to bake. Don't bump into each other. Food and merchandise vendors here. A hare and hound race. I don't know.

Hare, H-A-R-E, like a rabbit. Oh, so you've got the dogs racing, chasing the rabbit? I guess. A balloon glow. Okay. I don't get it. A circumnavigational task. Oh, what? Not the globe, I wouldn't imagine. Circumnavigate the town? I don't know

what you do there. And tethered balloon rides, if you're a pussy. That's what it says. The sign says, Pussy's this way way and it's got a tethered balloon there i'm not talking any shit i wouldn't ride a fucking hot air balloon if you paid me all the money in the world gee i'm gonna shoot myself up into the air with flames into a balloon which seems like a silly idea to begin with but i'm gonna do it what am i what's my chosen form a wicker basket yeah no this is flammable

as fuck sorry the golden girls use this shit for furniture i'm not fucking dangling myself from a balloon that's going to be on fire any moment in it that's a great point not just that what's flammable than wicker right you ever sat down in a wicker chair that's been on a patio for three four years it breaks apart no i'm not doing it i don't want to be in your basket no no and then you hear it go yeah no dorothy wait blanche don't sit down not that one sophia not even you so crime rate in this town what we're interested in property crime is almost twice the national average i don't know if it's the ballooners coming in stealing shit they are a pirate bunch.

They are. Violent crime, though, murder, rape, robbery, and assault, the Mount Rushmore of crime, is about 25% under the national average. So, I don't know. They'll steal your shit, but they won't kill you, so that's nice. Speaking of killing, though, in this nice little town,

let's talk about a murder. Let's do it. Let's do this. Welcome to the small town of Chinook, where faith runs deep and secrets run deeper. In this new thriller, available exclusively on Wondery Plus, religion and crime collide when a gruesome murder rocks the isolated Montana community. Everyone is quick to point their fingers at a drug-addicted teenager, but local deputy Ruth Vogel isn't convinced. She suspects connections to a powerful religious group.

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From Wondery, Generation Y is a podcast that covers notable true crime cases like this one and many more. Every week, hosts Aaron and Justin sit down to discuss a new case, covering every angle and theory, walking through the forensic evidence, and interviewing those close to the case to try to discover what happened. And with over 450 episodes, there's a case for every true crime listener. Follow the Generation Y podcast on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to Generation Y ad-free right now by joining Wondery Plus. We're gonna have to go back in time a little bit here. We're gonna go back to the 80s, which is always fun for us. I love the 80s murders for some reason i like the it i cannot i can see

the soundtrack that's what i'm saying it's a better it's a much better murder if i can hear hungry like the wolf playing in the background i don't know what it is somebody driving away at a high rate of speed with some kenny logan her name is rio and she's like what the fuck yeah it's all right it's only duran duran on the soundtrack of the 80s in my mind anything mid-80s i just that's all it is it's just duran duran bullshit toto peppered in a little toto yeah a little hold someone's holding the line here and there you never know someone's name is rosanna who knows you gotta dedicate one time throw it out to the ladies. To all the ladies out there.

So let's talk about a murder. Let's talk about some people. First, let's start with a guy named William Stewart. William David Stewart. And he goes by David Stewart, like the picture. He hates Billy. So he does not like William at all. Does not ever use William.

Even in, you know, everyone calls him David, basically, here. That's my stepbrother's first name goes by scott william doesn't like william fucking hates it well i would think that you william wouldn't be bad because you have a lot of choices yeah of what you want to be you're really just flush with choices you got willie you got bill you got will bill and willie and william they're so different oh my god bill yeah you can start your name with a whole different fucking letter. How many other names can you do that with? Start with a whole nother letter. Richard and Dick.

Yeah, that's about it. Bill and William. What else is there? I don't even know. But I can't call myself, you know, something that doesn't start with a fucking J. You can't go, my name is James, but I go by Frank. That's what I mean. I can be Jimmy.

I can be James. I can be Jim. That's it. There's no other options for us. You're an IE. So you're just Jimmy. You're stuck with. I can be Jim. That's it. There's no other options for us. You're an IE, so you're just Jimmy. I'm just Jimmy. You're stuck with that. And then Jim from time to time.

Yeah, against your will. Right. There's that. But if you're William, the world is your oyster, man. It's great. I'd go buy a different thing every day. Billy, Willie. What if Jill today?

I don't care. Who cares? If you can be Bill, why can't you be Jill? Might as well. You can be anything. Who gives a a shit so he's born in 1952 yeah comes up and down in alabama there yeah um he's a he's a nice guy we'll talk about what he does for a living and everything like that and he gets into the profession right after school that's that's kind of his profession from now on he ends up meeting here he's a single guy in the 70s it's about 23 years old when he meets a young lady uh who's about 20 years uh 22 years old he meets

deborah who goes by debbie her name is deborah harrison work okay harrison is her maiden name work is her married name because she is a widow oh at 22 old. That is tough stuff, man. It gets worse, too. Think about it. She's a nurse. This woman's a nurse, and she lost her husband, Joe Samuel Work. He died in an accident in Korea doing some work for something over there. Not in the Korean War.

No, this was in the 70s. Oh, my God. The only Korean War that was happening in the 70s was MASH. Outside of that, the Korean War was fucking up. He was on the set of MASH, and he was crushed by a lighting rig. And she just said, he died in Korea. Tells everybody. That helicopter landed on him on the beginning scene.

Took his head clean off. That landing gear is sharper than it looks, I'm going to tell you. That thing on the bottom that people hang from? Cuts the shit out of your hands. Razor sharp. It's like dunking on a basketball hoop with with chain net and just cut the shit out of your hand looks fun but it's not so not only that not only does she's a young woman whose husband dies they have a five-month-old daughter oh my so could life get more that is tough stuff that's a curveball that you don't expect.

No. You get married young and you have a child with a young person. You don't expect to be at 22 raising that child by yourself. He's enlisted and there's a world war. Yeah. And you're like, knock me up before you go over there and get killed by the Japanese so your family name can live on. Tell you the legacy.

Yeah. It's not like that. I think he was doing some contracting work for some... He was an accountant and got run over by a car. Yeah, he was like a rep for Pepsi or something, going over there trying... Bicycle courier blasted him as he came out of the restaurant. Yeah.

He's over there trying to tell Korea that it's the choice of a new generation, guys. Guys, I'm serious. You don't understand. You can't taste the difference. It's so good. They're just shaking their heads. We don't know what he's talking about.

Then he's killed by a rickshaw right outside on the sidewalk. Murdered by a rickshaw. Joe Samuel. Some monkey riding a bicycle. Poor man, yeah. An actual monkey on a bicycle. Yeah, that's what I mean. Like those little bicycles that the monkeys ride.

Yeah, that's hilarious. I just thought, I saw that in my head, and it was hilarious. Just the thought of a monkey riding a bicycle made me happy. And it was afraid to be arrested, so it just ran off. The fact that it killed a man didn't even make it less sad. It didn't make it less funny, even. He killed a guy, and you go, oh, that guy. But then, hey, look at the monkey.

He's pedaling away. We'll deal with the dead guy. He's always going to be dead. But that monkey, you're not going to see that every day. Someone puts a cigar in his mouth, that's it.'ll deal with the dead guy he's always going to be dead but that monkey that's you're not going to see that every day someone puts a cigar in his mouth that's it i'm moving here he's got that little square hat i'm moving here i don't give a shit this is my kind of place some italian guy hiding behind something he's doing good i make him do you put no money go in here in here what are you doing so uh So now she's a widow at 22. It's a terrible life, man.

Five-month-old daughter, little Jojo, named after the father, whose name was Joe. Yeah. This is Jojo. And it's his daughter named Jojo. It's his daughter named Jojo. Yeah. So they did that. It's very sad, though.

Very, very sad. So they meet in 1975, and this is only a few months after Joe Samuel. Oh, Dave just met her. Dave meets her as a young widow. So she is in some turmoil at the moment, and he's the type of guy, as we'll talk about, from his job and shit. He's kind of a nurturing guy, and he sees this as he wants to help her. And also, she's a smart woman.

She's a nurse. She's a catch also at the same time know she's a she's a catch also at the same time even with a young daughter at 22 it doesn't matter even with the emotional baggage it's coming yeah a fresh fucking death yeah that's that's tough that's tough and some people though kind of they're what's the word i'm looking for here they're attracted magnetized to people of that like that okay some people are gravitate to people that need that need the help and it's and it's a lot of times you can tell by what they do like she's a nurse so she would be one of these people that does that also take care of somebody yeah if you

know nurses they're nice people generally they're generally really nice they're generally very generous with their time and with everything not the school nurse no she's she's retired she's like i don't want to fucking do this anymore and i gotta deal with you assholes i just wanted to keep some health insurance our answer for everything when we felt sick at school was go lay down yeah go lay down or they can give you tylenol it was like they're gonna die in the next three hours go lay down you're not gonna die you're not gonna call your parents now so yeah that's a lot of those nurses though you can they're just different types of people they're much more willing to help people they know they're just they're to to want to do

that with your life that's let's face it's a fucking gross job it is it's disgusting really if you're not you know if you can't put that out of your head you know you got to deal with you're gonna see the worst functions and things and people at their lowest and also it's a sad job yeah you're gonna see people die you're gonna see sick people it's sad people get into that career thinking that it's like so much fun to help people then you realize oh my god i gotta help people this is what i gotta help oh no it's like a dude getting into gynecology because he gets to see vaginas then he's like oh god oh god i have to see all the vaginas i don't want to see all of them i don't just get checkups i don't get to pick and choose i see the sick ones where i've got to just i would say if you go to medical school and spend all that time just to see some

vaginas you have way bigger problems can you imagine that you're a dedicated man it's the most dedicated pervert in the history of the world that would be you're almost you almost should show people your vagina show the guy your vaginas everybody think about how much he wants to see them have you ever wanted to see a vagina that much where you're like, I'm going to go to school for 15 fucking years and do a residency and, you know. And read books about the gross parts of them. And be $400,000 in debt and then pay a bunch of medical insurance just so I could get a, look at that sweet, sweet cooter. I don't think it's good. You'd have to really.

Learn gross words like labia. Oh, yes. Minor and major what a terrible words for the most amazing thing on earth most persistent pervert in the history of the world is that man that doctor right there i'd love to know if any of that person exists and if they do i really hope they don't because i don't want i don't want anybody to go to them there's nothing that i've ever said i'm sure of it that's never been said before and never been thought of before. Yeah, that's true.

That's been thought of. That's been thought of. Absolutely. Someone's like, I'm going to see all the vaginas. And they were like, oh no, I got to see all the vaginas. And now he works at Jiffy Lube. Yeah, he's like, I can't do it no more. He works for Grease Monkey.

He can't do it. He went back to school and now he's doing like eye lifts and shit. He's doing like Botox injections. But from time to time, the eyelids on elderly kind of resemble a vagina. And then he gets flashbacks. And he runs out of the room sweating on all red. I can't do it. I can't do it.

Jesus Christ. Brought me back to that time, man. I lost my best friend. Died in my arms. We lost a lot of time. That vagina knocked him right over. He didn't even see it time, man. I lost my best friend. Died in my arms. We lost a lot of time. That vagina knocked him right over. He didn't even see it coming, man. So, yeah.

This is disgusting. Anyway. So nurses are great. Nurses are nice, is what we were saying. No, but like a nurse, if you know nurses, if they see a car accident, they will stop to see if someone needs help. I think it's part of their duty. It is.

But can you imagine a job? Okay, if I was trying to get a job and they were like, oh, part of this is every time you see a car accident, you have to go by and see if anyone's arm is dangling off by a piece of tendon or something. I'd be like, no thanks. Because you got a CDL and can drive trucks. I don't want this fucking job anymore. Yeah, I don't think so.

Fucking no. And that's just me. I'm squeamish, so I'm not into you know that sort of thing compound fractures i'm fucking out of here i wouldn't be helpful is the thing i'd be like oh god your shit's fucking jesus christ somebody fucking go get some tape or something god this guy is unconscious i'm gonna throw up jesus christ no no it's not that bad bro you're gonna you're gonna be fine fuck that guy's gonna die you guys i gotta fuck at it no you're good bro it's fine no i i had a bad burrito earlier it's fine it's not you i had taco bell i think i got the flu don't eat the big beef don't don't eat it it's fucking

it'll fuck you up any of them that say cheesy it's just nacho cheese. You don't want to eat that. That's where I would be. So anyway, nurses are nice people. Also, he is a nice person as well, as we'll discuss here. Now, they live together. They move in pretty quick in 1975. It's pretty fast as far as meat. Start going out, and he says, you can move in with me.

Bring your daughter. Everything's fine. So they move in together and they live together for about three years. During that time, Debbie becomes pregnant again. What? During that time before they're married. However, they get an abortion. Okay.

So that's a late 70s down south abortion. That's wild. I don't know how far they had to drive for it. They might have had to drive a while. It was a day trip. We don't know. So I don't know how many clinics were around there. So they're family planning is what I'm getting at here.

They have a plan, I guess, or something. No, I think they wanted to be married first as well. It was a big part of it. In August of 1978, they get married. And so then they're ready to start a family they say and they're they're ready to start but uh right yeah so that's how that works now what's david doing she's a nurse david uh in addition to being a youth counselor at a decatur church was kids boy oh boy the abortion clinic is that way children so yeah i love that so much i just

like that i don't know it's it just goes to show sometimes everybody needs one church and youth yeah that's what i mean church youth counselor and he's like i don't need i don't need more kids around me yeah yeah more kids no so he does that in addition, and again, this is a job that kind of helps people. Since 1975, January of 1975, right before he met Debbie, he's been employed at a residential facility. Oh, boy. This is the actual name of it. It's the Monroe, Jesus Christ, residential facility for profoundly retarded people. It says that on a sign.

It says that on a sign. Unbelievable. Profoundly. 1975. Not just a little bit. No. profoundly retarded people it says that on a sign it says that on a sign unbelievable profoundly 1975 not not just a little bit no mild retardation around profoundly like i think just for the for retarded people would have been plenty because that wasn't an insulting thing to say about those medical things so profoundly makes it a little bit profoundly makes it like that's like no these no you don't even want to look at them they're we just lock them in a room they're banging they don't even fucking know what they're doing that's what it sounds like that's terrible it sounds mean as shit i watched a documentary on netflix about what those places did i mean it's so sad this one might be on i've seen those

too it is horrible yeah i've seen they had a guy in there that they diagnosed him as quote unquote retarded. Found out later he just had fucking MS. Oh, no. And he was perfectly. His mind was fine. He just couldn't talk and his body wasn't right. Yeah. But he's all there. No, there's that.

Yeah. That's so shitty. Have you ever seen Cropsey, the documentary Cropsey on Netflix? I don't think so. It's very interesting. It's about this Long Island town. I believe it's Long Island. And in the woods is this abandoned mental institution oh my god in the town which every like i grew up

near the woods we had the bleachery which was like this abandoned factory thing that you'd go in and it just smells like chis chizzy we talked about it the bleachery so this was a diff this was like a the abandoned mental institution in the woods there's like no road that leads up to it it's fucking shut down with shit. It's all grown over. Yeah. And so they go back to, there's a legend of this,

like, you know, an escaped patient that lives in the woods. That's what they're investigating. The legend of the town. But this hospital was outed in the late sixties. It's what made Geraldo famous. Oh,

I do. Geraldo went there, busted in with not busted in, but walked in with cameras and they, they had, that's the one. They were just housing people. They were fucking, that's the one from, that's what I saw. That's the one. They were just housing people. They were fucking throwing shit at themselves

and fucking banging against the wall. That's the one. Yeah, it's just rooms full of people that have fucking no cognizance of anything, no anything, no recourse. Except for the one guy who just has MS in the corner. And these poor people are just being treated like animals. They're being thrown in and treated like chickens on a farm, basically.

Just allowed to bump into each other and run into walls. And it's disturbing, man. It's horrible. It's horrible. So I'm hoping this place was better than that. I imagine it is. I think it is because this, Stuart's job was, he was kind of in charge of helping finding jobs for patients.

Oh, great. So he was trying to, yes, I feel like this is a place that's more trying to help people, trying to help people in the world to do things. And that's his job is finding employment for quote, profoundly retarded people. I was going to say, trying to get the ones that are least profound. Yeah.

At least profound. Yeah. Back into society. Or you use it as a selling point. You go, he's profound. It's the most, he's the most profound person we have in the entire program.

You tell people that. Really? Because he's sitting there staring at us eating his boogers. He's looking the other way. He's not even looking at us. I know. Profound. He's got deep thoughts.

That's what he's doing. You don't want to interrupt him. We're not making fun of that. We're making fun of the right thing. Don't worry. It's unbelievable. Don't worry. That's not offensive. That's what he's doing. You don't want to interrupt him. We're not making fun of that. We're making fun of the right thing. Don't worry. It's unbelievable. Don't worry. That's not offensive.

That's what I'm saying. We're making fun of the correct thing. It might take you a second to untangle what we're making fun of, but it's definitely the system and not the person. So anyway. Exhausting, man. Exactly. It is terrible.

So 1978, they get married debbie and david are married debbie david little jojo right they purchase a house and the persona non grata fetus yeah that they had there as well so they purchase a house in southeast decatur and this is they're kind of living a nice neighborhood it's kind of a posh neighborhood. Debbie wants to she wants a nice house. She wants nice things. She wants to live in a nice neighborhood. David is also very concerned about kind of social things.

He wants to be like a member of the country club. He wants to be like a member of things. You know what I mean? Like, it's a big deal to him to like have a Christmas gala to go to in December. You know what I'm saying? Shit like that. Like, well, we got to go down to the club and dress up and go, you know, it's a big deal to him to like have a christmas gala to go to in december you know what i'm saying yeah shit like that like well we got to go down to the club and dress up and go you know it's his thing terrible that sounds fucking terrible to hang out at a club with a bunch of people can you imagine that compare your life to mine please no no no i don't want to walk it around old douchey what are you doing doing? Fucking sweater on. What college are your kids going to?

Fuck you. All that, but with a Southern accent, too. Right. Pompous Southern people. Ugh. But if they're rich Southern people, I want that old school rich Southern person accent because that's a great accent. That's my aunt and uncle that you got high.

His accent's awesome. That's the guy. Yeah, I got him real stunk. He's an old man with a Southern accent. A very nice, like, a very elegant Southern accent. And I got him real stoned he's an old man with a southern accent a very nice like yeah a very elegant southern accent i got him fucking so high he was as he was profound at the time i got him profound we'll put it that way he profoundly stumbled out into the theater and sat down and laughed i loved him he was a great guy that's what because he worked for like a a huge fortune 500 company. He mattered to this company.

And that's what he is. But they're the progressive Southern people that... People smoke weed when they're 70? Yes. Yeah. He's cool. He's a cool old guy. He's great.

He's a cool old dude. I liked him. That Val Kilmer in Tombstone accent. Right. You know what I mean? Yeah. That's that different accent. Very laid back Georgia.

Oh, boy. Yes, sir. It's almost like a refined foghorn leghorn i would say a good way to put it foghorn leghorn with his pinky up yes his pinky yeah so they love you uncle oh man he's awesome so debbie ends up quitting her job as a nurse so she can be kind of a live at home you know house house wife and a mother and she wants to raise her family she's got a young the young daughter who's only who's still preschool age and also they want to expand their family a little bit here so she ends up leaving her job. So they're relying on David's income for a while. At one point here, he becomes the psychologist coordinator for a training group at the Wallace

Center, which was the place where he worked with the profoundness there. So in 1979, they have a second child. Great. And so, yeah, and another daughter. Oh, that's awesome. Two little girls. They have two little girls under five years old. Very cute.

A lot of cuteness going on in the house. Having a great time. Having a great time. That sounds wonderful. Also, around this time, they bought a small house in a nice neighborhood. They picked worst house in the best neighborhood type of thing, which for real estate investing is smart. The worst place in the best neighborhood is better than the best house in the worst neighborhood. Absolutely.

So that's how it works. And that's what they did. So it was still a little pricey for them, this house, but they wanted to make it work, and they figured over time, as they expand their family, they could add on to the house. Hell yeah. Which is an interesting, yeah, you could kind of do that,

I think, back then, a little easier than now. It's tough now. It's so hard now. And where we live. It depends on where you live. In Phoenix, little easier than now. It's tough now. It's so hard now. And where we live. It depends on where you live. In Phoenix, we have these lots. There's nowhere to expand to. And you can only have a certain percentage of your lot occupied by the dwelling.

By the dwelling. It's crazy. So, yeah, you can't get more property. You already have a firewall around your house. So, it's your concrete brick block wall all around your house. You're kind of stuck. And your neighbor's house is within fire's reach away. Exactly.

So you can't just keep adding on to it. Within a breezy fire's reach away. So yeah, you can't really do that. Whereas if you're kind of in a more rural area and you have a big yard in the houses, you can kind of... Yeah. And I don't know what the building regulations were in 1979 in Alabama either. Probably a little more relaxed.

Yeah, I think you could probably just go out there with some boards and some nails. Yeah, some two-by-fours. Go ahead. Your buddies and a couple of beers and you can slap something onto the house probably.

It wouldn't be a big deal. Don't take down those weight-holding walls. No, we got to keep them up. Yeah. Shake that. Shake it. Give it a good kick.

Did you hear the ceiling? It was about to crack. We'll just leave that one there. You go to the other side of the house, I'm going to kick this wall. If that one shakes, we keep it. Tell me if it's shaking.

So they have the second child in 1979, and they begin an extensive renovation at this point. They want to expand it a little bit. They're going to add an extra bedroom, and they're also remodeling everything. They're just doing it. They're kind of gutting the house and modernizing it they're going real hard on the yeah testing this relationship yeah can you add a baby and then a whole house remodel a house remodel is probably the most stressful thing you could ever do that's a lot it's a lot it's too much it's not worth it no just buy a house with that shit in there and if you can't

just stay where you are and be fine with your countertops. Because it's not worth destroying your home and your marriage and your relationships and your sanity and your sex life and your family and future psychological ailments of your children. A house remodel is a nightmare. It's a goddamn nightmare. And it is a nightmare for this. And imagine having two small children. One of running around age and then an infant. That would be insanity. Just for nails and shit being around.

You'd be paranoid about everything. I go to feed the baby and I come back. The countertops are different. They're different countertops. I even got a countertop now. It's gone. Came back, there's a whole cabinet. Didn't ask my opinion.

I look down, I see my pots and pans. I was like, what the hell's going on here? I can't usually see them from over the countertop. This is different. I only see pans. The pots are hanging from the fucking ceiling. Oh, shit. Did I say put hooks in?

Oh, fuck. I hate them damn hooks hitting my head on shit. She don't care because she's shorter than me, goddamn. Oh, fuck this marriage. That's a renovation. It's so easy. It could happen. It's so easy to get out.

Oh, God. So they begin the renovation and the remodeling as all renovations anytime you remodel the house it will take longer than you thought it would and it will be much more expensive than you thought it was absolutely no one's ever said we're going to remodel all house they're like a month early under budget weird never once happened ever in the history of construction that's never happened ever as you tear a wall out and then you go oh well that shit's not back here we got to put that in yeah now we got to build this wall different that's not up to code now so now we have to do all that shit out yeah it's always going to be more expensive weeks two weeks yeah exactly money

fit two weeks just two weeks tom hanks laugh i love that so this becomes a problem they start fighting a lot and also this causes financial problems as they can't just stop because the house is in you can't live in it no it's in the complete state of disrepair so you better come up with the money to finish it and i feel like that's what contractors do to you it's like well your house is half done right now you can live in that forever or you can say that extra 15 is fine for you and you're gonna pay it that's kind of how it works run on down to the bank now that's it that's what it is and maybe get another maybe get another mortgage right so this is this causes problems financial shit is hard on on couples it really is and And for the next few years, they're still kind of finishing the house.

They finally get it done, you know, where they wanted it renovated, remodeled, put a little extra room on it. And, you know, things start to calm down a little bit through the early 80s. The kids start to grow up a little bit. Rebuild this relationship. Yeah. Jojo's eight, you know, seven, 8, 9 years old. The baby's kindergarten age here. 1983, 1984.

So it's around this time. February of 1984, they have another child. Oh no. It's another little girl named Morgan. Okay. So three little girls now. Adorable. That's a lot of weddings to pay for. Boy, that's a lot of weddings. Oh my God. You're just like, oh man. Oh Jesus. Can I get a boy and get a break? Yeah, please god you're just like oh man oh jesus please be

can i get a boy and get a break yeah please be i don't know not you know focus on school right you don't need to get married oh shit i gotta pay for that too god damn it never mind be a musical genius can you do that can you be like famous when you're 12 take care of their other weddings for the other kids i got here have you heard of taylor swift yeah because i think you can do it all right i'm just saying right now so it's this one born february 1984 now now the house is too small oh no because they have they remodeled it and they added the extra room but now you add an extra baby and now you can't have three little girls sleeping in a room this isn't the fucking brady bunch right it's a totally different deal so what they decide which this seems insane imagine making this decision they decide let's add a second story

to the house going up going up oh not even going out going oh is this new york city can you imagine no adding a story to your home what that would entail i can't even i'm sure that it's not that crazy because people people do it all the time but it seems but that for sure means brand new roof new roof it's now a four ten grand yeah do that build it up then you're gonna have the all the plumbing that goes up there all the everything wiring make sure that it sounds insane and then also all this is going on how do you live in the goddamn house that's half got no roof that's got a yeah it's plastic tarps over your shit for half the time it's it's a mess that sounds terrible that sounds terrible sounds worse than the balloon festival that's so scary too because you've got to entrust

that the people that you're trusting this with has they know what they're doing they're going to not destroy your house oh leave you with a gaping hole in your roof with no upper part of your house. Yeah, but new trusses up there. Yeah, just to hold the weight of that and then a new roof on top of that. And then you need a, where your roof was now has to be a floor. Right. So you have to have, there's certain regulations for that. So scary. It's a lot.

It seems like it would be easier to buy a new house, I feel like. You think? You would imagine so. Wouldn't it? You would imagine so, especially because they really couldn't afford it to do this either. This wasn't something they could afford and it would just be inconvenient. They can't afford it and it's a pain in the ass. So this is not a smart idea, we'll say here.

So the other thing is, let's add the stresses. We have little children. We have a house with an upper floor being built, which sounds just like the whole house would be turmoil while that's going on. Not being able to afford it. There are financial problems. Also, Debbie, since the birth of the third daughter, she's having just problems emotionally about it. She's having a postpartum thing. It's very common.

And she didn't have it with the first two kids, but she's having a hard time with the third kid a third kid and now this happened you had everything else stayed fine with the other two not like hell well also too i don't have like a roof like i don't know there's a house my house is just you know you i assume you have a baby and everybody wants to have a place to put the baby that's a comfortable and have a, you know, nest, right? You nest as human beings, as people, as parents, you do that and you really can't in this house. And then you're, there's financial problems, which is also stressful when you have a baby. Of course. Yeah.

And you're talking about medical bills and things and the fucking hospital bills. And I can't even imagine it's a lot. So there's a lot going on. And you add to all of that that it would make sense that if you have you know baby hormones and postpartum anyway going on in your body to add all those stressors to it it's going to bring that sort of thing out and make you feel worse I would I would imagine so she had a difficult pregnancy also medically which was a problem too she had to do bed rest at the end of it so it was a been hard. This woman's tough as fuck, man.

Oh, she's super tough. Unbelievable. She's definitely tough. But this whole thing has kind of taken a toll on their marriage a little bit. And it really, really, she got more and more depressed after the baby was born in 84. And like I said, all the shit going on, you would be depressed anyway. Even if your hormones were fine and your body wasn't trying to recover from this horribly traumatic experience of this profoundly traumatic experience and then couple that with being in in the 80s and not knowing a lot about medical it's

not the same yeah she's probably got a lot of resentment towards him uh that she had to go have an abortion who knows if that caused how to play in this we don't know who knows and this is still this is the tail end of and also in alabama so i'm not sure this is the tail end of the cheer up bitch era yeah where somebody like this we brought that up with betty lou beats right where she had a bad postpartum time and everything and they were basically back then they'd be like i don't know cheer up bitch i don't know what to tell you deal with the show yeah that's it that's that's life i guess no that's not how you tell people and that's still kind of the thing they were like well yeah after you have a kid you get depressed i don't know what the fuck to tell you cheer up bitch have a good one in the tub here's a lollipop and a balloon like you're 12 fuck out of here

yeah i got other awful vaginas to look yeah don't you know i went to school forever for this hoping to get one good one in today you never know you never know my two o'clock is looking promising i'll tell you right now sounds like just a checkup it should be okay it should be good it's nothing bad there's nothing dripping out so that's a pro that's good the word discharge is not in the paperwork i'm excited about that very very excited that is disgusting so she he's upset because she's not herself at the moment which gee sorry i mean it's hard to be yourself if you've just got can you imagine spit a baby out right and tell me how you feel it's difficult i can't even so yeah she would withdraw a little bit or she'd be like snappy at him and things like that.

So he would he felt kind of like pushed out of the circle. He felt kind of like, oh, you care about the kids so much, you know, because they're small and she has to care for them. So she can't just be like, I don't know, the baby's somewhere. I think he's at the bar. But then there's also three women in the house right now. And he's got to feel outnumbered. I mean, yeah, three babies that are girls. And then the wife, too. Yeah. And he's got to feel outnumbered. Four. I mean, yeah, four. Three babies that are girls and then the wife, too. And he's got to feel outnumbered.

Which is natural. It's just a natural thing to feel like. But you get over it. You're an adult. You know what I'm saying? This dude's 32 years old at this point. He can't figure it out by now. Yeah, he should probably get over it, I would say.

She ends up getting some medication to try to help her a little bit. And it doesn't really do much for her, though, for her moods and things like that. Yeah. And I don't know what they would give you in 84 for postpartum depression. They're probably placebo. It's probably just sugar pills. There you go. Cheer up, bitch.

And they give you sugar pills. That's it. Oh, wow. These are delicious. Might be a couple of Valium. Who knows? Yeah. It's probably Tylenol.

It's like in a different. Which is hilarious that they would give Valium to people. Flintstones. Why does mine look like Wilma? Right. Don't worry about that. It's just how they look. Don't sweat it.

Wait until Thursday, you get forever. Oh, yeah. I look forward to Bam Bam every week. Those are so delicious. Yeah, they are. I like Flintstones. They really are. I want them, and I'm mad I shouldn't have them.

I'm jacked that I get, because I'm near 40, I get a multi now, and I got a gummy. It's awesome. Yeah, I got a gummy thing. They're so good. They are. They're good. They're so good. Yeah, I like the red ones.

They're my favorite. The red gummies are awesome. Yeah, I love those things. Can't have too many of them, though, because if you have too much vitamin C. Then you shit your pants for three days. It's a problem. As a child one time, I was at my friend's house, seventh grade, and we were hanging out at his dad's house. grade and we were hanging out we were

hanging out at his dad's house his dad ended up getting busted for dealing coke like later on that year so his dad's house was awesome yeah as you can imagine it was just his dad would like go up in a room or like disappear for a while and it was just you could do whatever you want and we were like 12 he had like a stand-up arcade game and shit like that you could do anything you want so we'd be skateboarding and playing baseball and doing all this shit and playing games. So anyway, he also had in his bathroom at 12, this was great. He had tons of dirty magazines, like all different ones too, like filthy, Hustler and all this filthy shit when we were 12.

Yeah, we're like, this is great. The one that showed penetration. Oh, actual penetration. So he'd have all this. And then we found in his kitchen, he had this giant like i don't know like a like if you bought like a gallon of mayonnaise like that giant size of a jar of that full of vitamin c pills that look like little oranges yeah and they tasted amazing chewable ones that were like a powder they were like crunchy like a like a flintstones but they were

orange and they tasted just like orange juice when you bit into it was like a Flintstones, but they were orange and they tasted just like orange juice. When you bit into them, it was like a burst of orange. So they were like little candies. And we were like, oh, they're vitamin C, so they can't be bad for you. Right. So we sat down and watched TV and had this big jar in the middle and we were just eating them.

Eating them like bonbons? No, five at a time, Jimmy. Like they were chiclet. Like they were Pez. That's how we were eating them. Popping them. I must have had 150 of them i swear to god and we all did like they're sour patch kids we all did and then his dad came home and his dad never like monitored us or anything and he walked in the room walked past the living room and then he walked back in and he goes the hell are you guys doing with the vitamin c pills and we go they're delicious

and he goes how many of these did you eat we're like a fuckload i like a lot of them he's like so he starts laughing he goes i'll make sure there's paper in the bathroom and we're like what are you talking about we were i mean our insides yeah emptied liquefied for like two days we i had like 700 oranges worth of vitamin c it was not okay dude yeah you probably don't have to eat it ever again. Ever again. You still got some of her. I didn't have a cold until I was 18. It was amazing.

You're going to have a colonoscopy pretty soon here. Yeah. You're about to. Hey, look at you. And they're going to find pills in there. Yeah, of course. You still got some vitamin C in here from 91. It's shaped like oranges.

It's going on in there. You got some orange slices. That's what we're talking about here so she gets vital she gets pills yeah and it's supposed to help and it doesn't help very much so he he you know he's asking the doctor when's she going to be back to normal and the doctor's you know being a doctor and saying be patient yeah she just had a child it'll get there eventually that's what happens this is a cycle it's very natural she's pretty once in a while that's all tell us everything's great nice guy be nice to her that's all so it's all a light-hearted nightmare on our podcast morbid

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With a touch of humor. I'd just like to go ahead and say that if there's no band called Malevolent Deity, that is pretty great. A dash of sarcasm and just garnished a bit with a little bit of cursing. This mother****er lied. Like a little bit of cursing. This mother f***er lied. Like a liar. Like a liar. And if you're a weirdo like us and love to cozy up to a creepy tale of the paranormal. Or you love to hop in the Wayback Machine and dissect the details of some of history's most notorious crimes.

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then two more downstairs where they had the two i think is what they're going to do so they're going to do this sort of thing he puts this huge bath the problem is he doesn't get it he doesn't get it done in the time he was going to try to get it done in time. So, I mean, like we said, never does a renovation, especially one of this size. This is huge. This isn't like we're ripping out the kitchen tile. You're doubling your square footage. Yeah, and upward, too.

Not even out. Up, which means more complicated for everything, basically. So, he also promised her he'd build a fish pond in the backyard that he didn't build yet why would you she wanted a fish pond she wants a little like a concrete like a koi pond type thing landscape around it she wants that in the backyard get it as a centerpiece maybe we wait maybe we wait till we have all our bathrooms functioning what do you say otherwise we're gonna be shitting in the fish pond do you want to shit in the fish pond which one do you want it keeps raining like this our living room is going to be a fish we don't have a roof goldfish here right yeah so he she's upset with

him for not doing this sort of thing the whole plan was everything upper floor and fish pond supposed to be done by the 4th of july 1984 yeah the 4th of July, they plan to have a huge cookout, inviting both of their families, and a big celebration of, look at our new story, and we'll put the barbecue right next to the fish pond. We'll have a good old Alabama 4th of July, right? That's the time, but it didn't

happen yet. It's not done, and the fish pond hasn't even started. So, he's very much in the doghouse. He's in the doghouse at this point too. She's pissed off at him basically for all this and he's thinking

she's just mad at me because she's got postpartum depression and she's like, well, yes and you know what I mean? There's two, it's more than that.

We're going to treat this like improv tonight. Yes and there's so much you've done more. The litany, it goes on you're helping really perpetuate it in a profound way so uh july 10th 1984 comes around this is a week past the

fourth of july obviously the expiration date on the renovation is passed debbie is not happy debbie is mentioning it every day gee yeah fourth of july was last week yeah where's my new bathroom be nice if the ac stayed in this house things like that yeah uh so david leaves early for work that day which is normally what he does very normal uh debbie and the kids go back and forth all day with her neighbor her name the next door neighbor has or down the street neighbor has children around her age cool this woman named evelyn so she goes over there the kids play like all day and they go back and forth, go home to eat lunch,

come back, play more. That'll help with your depression. It's nice. Yeah. It's nice for the kids to socialize in the kids. It's a good deal. So at about 6 PM,

Evelyn takes the two old, older kids, not the baby takes the two older kids to a ball game. I think there's a minor league ball game or something or a high school game or something going on. Some, some low level baseball game is happening in July. Leaving Debbie at home with

the baby, little Morgan. The Decatur Cubs. They're from Chicago. The Decatur Devils. From Chicago in the South. That's true. They should be the Cubs. Decatur White Sox. God damn it, guys. You're missing the boat if you're not doing that.

She does this 6 o'clock p.m. That's when Evelyn takes the kids to the game. Debbie's at home with the daughter. So right after that, about 6.30, David gets home from work. And he gets home from work to find not what he wants to see. He finds Debbie. She's alive and fine. Normally when we say that that means that someone's you know innards are strewn across the table lamp that's not there's no intestines

hanging over a lampshade thank fuck the mvp of the chicago white socks is standing over with a baseball bat yeah he's just he's working it and just decatur white so this is almost a scarier sight he finds his wife on the sofa in the den sitting in the dark oh no okay uh so something's up here um either she's real pissed off or she's lost her fucking mind or something but this is not normal behavior obviously we say that a lot on this show and that's because most of the behavior on this show is not normal. This is included. So he walks in. He's like, hey, what's up? What's wrong?

Something. Something's a matter. So she told him. Oh, boy. She told him that. Yeah, something's a matter. Somebody came from the electric company today and stopped by the house with a return check saying that our check bounced and that he came to turn the electricity off.

Oh, no. That's a problem. We have three babies. We can't have no electricity in our fucking house here. What are you doing, basically? Apparently, two of the neighbors were there at the time as well. Oh, no. That she was talking, having a social time with them.

You embarrass me. You come in. This guy comes in waving a bounced check. the time as well no that she was talking having a social time with them and you embarrassed me you come in this guy comes in waving a bounced check because she they said they were there to turn off the electricity she's like we paid the electric bill what are you talking about and he said yeah you did here's your return check right that didn't you know bounce so very embarrassing with the neighbors because this neighborhood too is kind of like a whispery poshy nobody has their electricity shut off yeah oh my Oh, my. Return check. Electricity? What's next?

The water? Oh, God. Yeah, because that's not like the electricity. The electric bill was due, and a week later, you send them a check, and it bounced, and they turned it off. That takes a while. Yeah. That's three months worth of.

And in the 80s? Yeah. Have you seen Catch Me If You Can? Yeah. Oh, my God. You could be. It takes forever to do that shit. Yeah.

Fly across the country. Do anything you want with that shit so this is very very embarrassing and debbie is very very angry at david and at this point she starts yelling at david about not having a shit together he's supposed to take care of the family and he's not taking care of the family and he says he's trying his best and he's doing his best he He said, well, I didn't fucking want the goddamn giant addition upstairs that we can't afford. I didn't say to do that. That's what you wanted. So I'm trying to do that what you want. And I'm trying to do this.

And she says, oh, yeah, well, you got to join your fucking country club. Why do you have to act like a big shot? He's like, well, you want to have all this shit and act like a big shot. And I can't fucking afford it. So we're going back and forth. Bad marriage argument of he's accusing her of this and she's accusing him so much baggage nobody's right nobody's wrong they're both they're in this together so it really doesn't matter who's right or wrong but she turns it to she says that he is being weak by not getting a larger salary at work that's her

she turns it on that well you're you don't make enough money because you're weak and you don't get as much money as you should from your job, which is not really what you want to hear. If you came home from work all day, you just did 12 hours and she's like, you know, what you're doing isn't even good enough. So tiny dick in this house, which your tiny dick in your unfinished edition. You piece of shit this unfinished edition represents your flaccid little penis you understand that i can't believe you got me pregnant ever with your profound little penis profoundly tiny profoundly tiny penis

so um he's upset but it's all in the heat of the moment this is things people say shit they don't mean in the heat of the moment. They're going back and forth arguing, saying, you know, you want this and you want that. And it's your fault. It's your fault. It's your fault. It's both of their fucking faults. It's everybody's fault in a marriage. Generally, unless someone's an abuser, it's probably everybody's fault.

So Debbie tells David that she's going to leave him. She says, I'm leaving you. I'm not doing this anymore. She packs like a duffel bag and she takes off yeah runs out the door with a duffel bag that's it takes off this is me and a half house and three babies me half house three babies oh my god um come back please she's got a blue ford and she took off and he's like well there's that he said he watched her shit at the window he figured that she was going to her older sister's house who he fucking hates um

her older sister's name is virginia her older sister you know is an older sister she looks out for her to her younger sister and she's according to david kind of a pain in the ass in the relationship here she says that he thinks that maybe if every time they got into an argument that you know if he didn't she didn't just go bitch about it to her sister maybe our marriage would be better so now he's got two wives yeah he's making the irrational jump to you know Virginia is causing my marriage to be bad when there's a lot of factors causing your marriage to be bad it's that's why marriages fall apart it's it's not one thing no it's never one i mean it can be but it's all it's most of the time it's cracks in the foundation it's a compound and then the second

floor falls down right onto your house because you didn't wasn't put on right you put enough trusses on there because you couldn't afford them that's the problem so he hated virginia though the whole fucking time he said that she was just all up in their shit basically well also virginia's got the added uh stressor of the she's her baby sister and she went through a brutal exactly yeah she a brutal thing early in her life and virginia was probably the one there for her and treated her like a mother and now she's got she's the mother-in-law exactly 35 years old it's not even she's in her 20s yeah she's in her 20s. And now she's the mother-in-law at 35 years old. Not even. She's in her 20s.

She's in her 20s. Right. But now she's the same age as him. And she's the mother-in-law. Right. So it's very weird. You're six months older than me and you're telling me how to run my life? Yeah.

Well, fuck you. He didn't like her. She didn't like him. That was that. We don't like each other here. So he and she, he says that she's caught. They've had fights over Virginia where he says she causes problems. And Debbie's like, no, no, not her fucking fault.

That causes problems. It's you and it's not her. And basically, he thought that anything that she that Virginia could do to make him look like shit, she would do in front of Debbie. And she would say, like, well, that's because he doesn't you know, he can't do what he's supposed to do. He's not a real man and shit like that. High fives or they drank wine and he slinks off to the other room. Exactly. Exactly.

That's the thing. And he says that this is bullshit. Now she's going to go over there, complain about the fucking electric bill to the sister. And she's going to tell all family that David can't support. You know, he's thinking this and it's a mess basically here. So David goes and borrows money from his mother for the electric bill because you got to get the electricity back on it's july in alabama you need ac and it's you know probably in the upper 80s in the house and hot and humid and sticky it's disgusting his mom

lets her borrow lets him borrow the money which is good um you know he and i think his mom's disappointed in him a little bit because why why why are you putting yourself in this position to where you can't afford a lifestyle that you shouldn't be trying to live if you can't afford it? It just doesn't make sense. You shouldn't be putting additions on your house and joining country clubs and shit if you're not making that kind of money. You're not doing it yet. Don't do that. But they don't get it, though. it yet don't don't do that but he they don't get it though so anyway that night uh the evelyn the neighbor had been watching the children while this fight was going on and while debbie left

she was hanging out with the kids with her kids so she returns with the stewart's children about nine o'clock at night here uh she there's an alley across the backyard she walks them across the alley david was sitting outside waiting for them expecting them to be back around that time. So he's outside waiting for the kids. He told the kids to stay outside with him for a little while because the baby was still there. And he said the baby was inside, and she was just trying to let the baby sleep.

So let's not make a lot of noise. Why don't we stay out here and hang out in the yard for a little bit? Catch some lightning bugs. It's July. It's bugs. It's July. It's awesome. It's awesome. So after that, David and the children went to sleep.

Plus, we can use them for light. Plus, it's dark out here. Who's got a wiffle bat? This is going to be fun. We don't have any electricity in there. So catch the lightning bugs so we can see our way to the toilet. We're going to jar them. And we're going to put them all around the house.

It's a very old school technique. This is how we're going to get from the bedroom to the bathroom. And we hope at least half of them are lit up at all times so we can actually see. Hold on. There they go again. Okay, there's the bathroom. So they go to sleep. David and the kids go to sleep a little before 10 o'clock.

And that's about that. Now, Debbie walks in about 10, a little after 10 o'clock right at right after they had laid down to go to sleep david laid down to go to sleep he's awakened by debbie coming in the house she told him at that point that she had drove around she did a lot of thinking and she has decided that she's taking the girls to go live in texas with her sister oh no she's taking all the girls and she's fucking leaving. It was going two states over, man. Yeah.

Three states over. Yeah. No, Alabama. Yeah. So two states. It's a long ride. It's a while. Yeah.

So it's not somewhere he can go every weekend and see him probably. So this is an issue. Now, he says, you know, obviously, I don't want you to do that. And she says, well, I'm doing it. And he thinks like, okay, it's been a long day. We'll go to sleep in the morning. We'll sort this out. Because, I mean, after a long day like this, especially if there's fighting,

and she went and talked to her sister, she might be all gassed up. It might be a little better if it all calms down for a little while. So let's go to sleep and have the worst night of sleep ever. Wake up in the morning. And argue more. Have a cup of coffee and really get this going. And know that our day is fucked. Know tomorrow's going to suck.

I do not miss those sleeps at all. No, that's a terrible. It's the worst sleep ever. Yeah, that's bad stuff. You wake up with a stomachache. Nothing is better than a good divorce, as we've said many times. Nothing's better. People say a good steak or a good whiskey. Fuck your whiskey. Nothing's better than a good divorce nothing i'll eat a hot dog and have

a divorce over your great that's what i'm saying i'll sleep on an air mattress with a hole in it as you know for months and months and be smiling the whole time so the next morning he wakes up debbie's not in bed. He's like, okay. She goes to sleep on the couch. She being dramatic, sleeping on the couch or whatever. So he goes around. Her car's gone.

Her shit's gone. He says there's like a bag's worth of her stuff is gone, like a suitcase worth of her stuff. She apparently had some cash that she had hidden away, like rainy day fund. I don't know why she didn't pay the electric bill with this that'd be nice uh but it's raining like a motherfucker it's raining literally in the house we have no roof or lights so we should probably get one of the two right it's pouring sugar yeah uh so she apparently took that money as well and she was gone in the morning so he's like all right the kids are all still there really all the kids are home she's like she dipped she took off so he's like okay what did she do maybe this is like last night she's gonna go take off she's gonna come home this afternoon whatever i'll wait what can i do but fucking wait back then he

couldn't call her on a cell phone if someone left that was it you called around to where they might be if they were at none of those places you didn't know where they were period that's it didn't know where they were gone so he waits for her she doesn't come home all day all night oh no she doesn't come home he waits for three weeks what she doesn't come home three weeks of no debbie no communication no nothing just gone i took a took a suitcase yeah suitcase worth of clothes and some cash and that was it gone he slept solid that night yeah gone my god imagine that he was boy i woke up all refreshed and yeah feeling good into this fight sunshine coming right onto my bed because i got no ceiling all right it was going

good woke up at sun up because the sun's in his face oops sun's up all right yeah that's a good time to get up so am i that's right that's why I was going to bed before 10 o'clock, too. Shit, the sun's going to be up at five. I better lay down. This is going to be a rough night for me. So she's gone. Her car is not gone. Her car is still there.

Really? But she's not there. With a suitcase and the money. Yeah, and the money, but no car. And she walked in. And she took off. Okay. And no kids kids which is interesting

why if you're gonna walk you don't want those no but if someone picked her up okay or all the she got a cab maybe with the money or on top of that most of the time this is weird for her to leave and then not do you not even take this her whole thing is i'm taking the girls and i'm moving to here not i'm moving here and you do take the girls that wasn't part of it so one of them isn't even his so you know she's probably gonna want to take that one i assume at least at least jojo at least jojo so anyway uh he waits three weeks for her finally after three weeks on july 31st 1984 he decides to report her missing what reports are missing he's like i don't know couldn't get all can't get a hold of her she has not made any contact yeah Her family members say they don't know where she is.

Her sister is called them. Oh, he's called. Yeah. There's a first day. And they didn't say, I don't know. Well, we don't know where she is. We haven't heard from her. So he thinks at first that they're lying to him to keep her away from him.

That's what he thinks. So he's like, all right, we'll play this fucking game. All right. But then Virginia didn't call either, though. Virginia. They were calling each other. Like, do you know where he is? I was.

Where the fuck is she? Is she at your goddamn house? Tell her to get her ass home. She's got kids and shit like that. And Virginia's like, I haven't fucking heard from her. And he's like, yeah, bullshit. You haven't heard from her. I'm sure she's sitting next to you right now and you're full of shit.

And he's telling Virginia, tell her to be a fucking mother and come home. This is bullshit. Like, you know, you can't just abandon your kids like this. That's the whole argument. She's gone for three weeks. That's that. She said, yeah, she left She's gone for three weeks. That's that. She said, yeah, she left home. She took the cash.

She took that. People asked him about it. He told all the neighbors and the family that she's had severe postpartum depression. And she's been kind of erratic, basically. And this is obviously the most erratic thing she's ever done yeah said i went to sleep she was right there she's threatened to leave i woke up and she was gone but the kids are still here so we don't know david sinks into a depression at this point uh he feels like he's been left and he tells everybody that he's very very depressed and his wife is gone and

he doesn't know what to do with himself and he can't find her and how much how much must he hate her she hate him that she won't even fucking like yeah contact him to divorce him even nothing's just ghosted him usually your wife doesn't ghost you like yeah that's not a thing three kids where are you going like this is crazy man and they usually mothers don't ghost kids like that too too, especially ones who, maybe if they're a crackhead or something, but not if they're... I think you see ghosts in your husband if he's an abusive piece of shit. Oh, take off. And you just call a lawyer and be like, you handle this shit.

Fine. I'm out. That's great. I'm never talking to him ever again. You should. But mom rarely ghosts the children. Yeah. Sometimes dad does.

Rarely mom. Well, oftentimes dad does. That's a very common thing. But oftentimes, you don't hear, mom went out for a pack of cigarettes and never came home. That you don't hear. dad does rarely mom well oftentimes dad does that's a very common thing but oftentimes you don't hear mom went out for a pack of cigarettes and never came home that you don't hear they don't hear that story as often for 30 years looking for ice cream sandwiches dad went off for some fucking newports and didn't come home that's a different thing so yeah he sinks into a depression he needs something to do.

So he decides that, I don't know if he thinks that maybe Virginia will see through the stars that he's doing this. Or maybe if he does this and then she comes home, she'll be happy with him then. But he says, I'm going to make the pond that she wanted. Debbie, yeah, maybe if Debbie comes home. He says, I'm going to make the pond. The pond that she wanted. Now he's going to do it? He's going to do it now because he's bored.

He's got nothing to do. I guess he finally finished the house waiting on her, and then he couldn't just leave it half empty. Eventually, he's going to finish it. He's like, I'll dig the pond. That's what she wanted. Maybe she'll be happy if she comes home and sees I dug a pond. She'll go, oh, he loves me, and he did stuff for me. Like the guy from Sweet Home Alabama. Yes.

That's what he's going to try to do. It's fucking sad man so he hires a laborer a guy named virgil key to help him dig out the pond four by eight pond that you're gonna drop because he's gonna put concrete under it so four by eight's pretty good put a couple size it's got to be a few feet deep to get the concrete so you know you want some help there that's that heavy alabama soil yeah it's moist clay clay it's mucky it's more it's like it's like shoveling wet snow it's hard it's very difficult i would imagine it's not like arizona shovel load every time yeah it's not dust no not at all so uh virgil helps him dig out the pond um he pours the concrete himself cement

himself and uh does all of that fills the pond put fish in there, some goldfish or koi or whatever the fuck they do. I think they're big goldfish. Landscapes all around the pond. Very nice. Puts like flowers and shit and bushes like, look at it. It's great. Like that's his bat signal. Right.

This pond, like his wife's going to go, hmm, I sense a pond. Hold on. Hold on. I must return home. There's a pond built in my yard. I don't know what it is. She saw the pond signal in the sky and she went. Also, he decides at this point because he's still in contact with authorities.

He's asking him, have you made any goddamn progress? Where the fuck is my wife? Have you found her yet? He talks to about private investigators and things. He has to find his wife. He talks to about private investigators and things. He has to find his wife. So he petitions the probate court requesting that Debbie be committed to the Department of Mental Health.

That way, if she was found because he alleged that she had a mental health problem, was a threat to herself because he figured that way they would look for her. And if they actually came across her, they would actually hold her and put her at his job. And he's got her. There you go. That's the thing. At least she'd be in that system. But he's thinking otherwise, you know, she's a missing person, but she's an adult. So if the cops find her, she can go, I don't want to go home.

And they go, well, have a good one. And she drives away. So this way they'll catch her and like put a fucking, you know, a butterfly net on her. At least. Put some bear traps out with some Debbie bait. Yeah. Oh, come on, Debbiebie i put like some some fancy fixtures out there i put some like lighting fixtures that go above the sink in there i think that's what she likes i'm gonna attract her with it put a bunch of drywall by one oh it's pretty

good i put some some marble countertop up there that white shit that everybody likes now i'm gonna put that right up there boy she's gonna love it just a square she knows what i mean the receipt of a koi pond oh you know how it is it's a picture of a koi pond get her so he's trying though he's trying to uh petition these people he tells he tells police though finally about uh about a year and a half goes by before he contacts police excited and you you know, kind of out of his mind a little bit, telling police that he's received collect phone calls from Debbie and he that she wants to. She asked about the kids quickly and then hung up on him.

Are the kids OK? Is this going on? And then she wouldn't let him say anything else. But if the kids were OK and then she hung up on him. This happened several times, he said. He says he has the phone records to show that their calls are being placed in New Orleans. So he's like, she's got to be in New Orleans. She's making collect phone calls from New Orleans to me. So the police then not only the Alabama police, the New Orleans Police Department searched the French Quarter for her.

I mean, they there's flyers and posters distributed all over the city. Her family comes to town. He comes to New Orleans to try to do this. I mean, it's an all APB on her in New Orleans. They think she's... Where the fuck is she? She's down there. They can never find her. They never find her in New Orleans.

I don't know if she's really good at hiding or what here like magic that's what it is that's what it is southern creole shit also you could change your name relatively easily in 1985 you could do you didn't have to be in new orleans you can be anybody you want oh you can get a fake id in new orleans no problem probably now but i could back then and on every corner you could probably get a fake id before it was like it was terroristic to do that. I mean, they get their own currency in Gator Bucks and shit. They have their own currency in beads for tits. That is true.

That's a currency. That is true. So let me get this straight. You give me worthless plastic and I show you my tits? That's the currency? Great. Sounds good. It's the weirdest thing ever. it's the weirdest thing ever it's the strangest transaction

you're gonna give me trash and i'm gonna show you these amazing things yeah and i'm gonna how does this work out for me i'm gonna hang these from my fucking mirror in my bedroom for the next 25 years watch them get dusty but first i'm gonna wear them around my neck all night showing other people that i'm i did something horrible for you yeah i did something great for you i made you real everybody else is gonna know about it oh yeah but i have like eight strands so that means my tits are fantastic so ha take that oh christ so david um during all of this let's find out how he's coping he does an odd thing here david's not a perfectly innocent person in all this uh david oh my god i'm riveted oh jesus christ um okay about six months yeah after debbie

had disappeared he's obviously playing the you know hurt husband who's but he's also has you know his needs and wants as well and he decides that his newest relationship to satisfy his needs and wants will be with who jimmy yeah the 15 year old babysitter stop yet what 15 year old babysitter he starts banging the teenage babysitter that's illegal that well i mean in alabama it's probably iffy it's probably iffy they're like that ain't even your cousin pal get it out of her let's go iffy. It's probably iffy. They're like, that ain't even your cousin, pal. Get it out of her. Let's go. If y'all were related, first cousin or closer, we could let it slide.

But y'all can't be fucking doing that. As long as it's a straight relationship, it's probably fine. Y'all, you can fuck your cousin at any age. That's within a family and that's none of our goddamn business. We don't get involved in family business. You understand now? But this here, y'all ain't even related. How old is this guy right now? 34? What is this? 1985? Yeah, he's 33, 34 years old. get involved in family business understand now but this here yeah i ain't even related how old

is this guy right now 34 what is this 1985 yeah he's at 33 34 years old 15 year old girl oh boy okay i get being lonely i get even desiring female companionship because you think your wife left you especially doesn't think he doesn't think she like was murdered and put in a river he thinks she's just running around new orleans having fun so he's like but 15 right i get that she's there but still 25 of the population is single with children that's what i mean get out there fuck like crazy yeah and he's got a bit and he's got a fucking babysitter that's the other thing he works he works long hours and he has the kids three little kids so it's got to be hard to meet people but not 15 that's not the answer puts out for sure though that's not the answer. One in four puts out for sure, though.

That's not the answer. Yeah, definitely. You're getting it. So, yeah, he's sexually involved with a 15-year-old babysitter, leaving police on a hunt around New Orleans for his wife. Oh, boy. His financial problems become worse. So even without the wife there, they become worse to the point where he needs to claim bankruptcy.

A bankrupt pedophile bankrupt pedophilic sort of uh i don't even know what the fuck to call him um he's certainly a pedophile he's 15 is a pedophile yeah that's a horrible human being not a good guy yeah and he's got three little girls with him which i don't like not that he's going to molest his own kids but he might and i don't care at this point we don't know it's not a great role model that's not who i want them growing up looking at oh daddy fucks 15 year olds certainly willing to fuck somebody else's children so when i'm 15 i guess it's all right for me to fuck 40 year old no it's not no that's not an example you teach your kids so neighborhood rumors start to spring up not about the babysitter thing he keeps that kind of under wraps actually because

the babysitter comes over to watch the kids and people go oh that poor man he's got three kids obviously he needs a babysitter they don't know he's you know oh boy fucking her in the mouth on top of it all so it's like the rumors start to come people start to have rumors of i bet he killed his wife i bet that's where she is hell yeah so it's a very burbs like the burbs situation where literally all the neighbors like stare at the house like oh she disappeared up and they all whisper and shit they stand outside for soft ground yeah like no seriously dig this up in the middle of the night funny you say that because a neighbor named maggie bowen yeah for the two years before that was trying to convince the police that he had killed his wife

and that Debbie was buried under the fish pond. No. She's in the fish pond. And they're like, well, she disappeared like six months before, or like a month, two months before the fish pond went in. So that's probably not right. And she's like, she's in the fish pond.

She would call the cops like once a month going, I'm telling you, she's in the fish pond. I know it. She's a nightmare. Come over here and dig it I'm telling you, she's in the fish pond. I know it. She's a nightmare. Come over here and dig it up. She said, this is to the press, to the Huntsville Times, quote, I watched from the back window and saw him digging a hole in the backyard. He poured concrete at night.

That's the thing. He poured it at night. Who pours concrete at night? I don't know. A guy that just wasted a fucking day digging a hole. Not only that, a guy who works 12 hours a day and has three small children like the kids are asleep now is the time to pour concrete i guess i wasted all day digging this and the truck came at night that's it so what else if i can tell him keep that drum spinning and yeah no he did it all on his own

his own concrete had no truck or anything he did it it on his own. So, yeah. Now, the cop said, you know, we suspected there may have been foul play, but had no probable cause to get a search warrant to dig up somebody's pond. That's kind of a big deal. And he said that we were denied permission to do so. I was like, I just fucking built this pond. And destroy it? Goddamn, digging it up. What if she comes back while you guys are mid-dig?

Yeah, I'm like, I swear it was beautiful. I told you fuckers I didn't kill her. Look what they to your shit i had the nicest pond here it was 12 by 20 it was amazing it was beautiful pond looks like it's a tinier one now but it was huge when i did it it's wild so many fish in there you don't even know they killed them all i made it salt water that's how good it was their fish were amazing bright colors and there was a whale and mesmerizing that guy just ate it raw he just put it in his mouth i was fucking pissed so august 19th 1987 comes by comes by it has been three years long ones long ones outside of the new orleans calls that caused the whole you know flyers and all that shit and the search for her there's been been no sign of Debbie anywhere.

So August 19th, 1987. At this point, his house has been foreclosed on and taken away from him. Yes, his financial problems are so bad, he claimed bankruptcy. His house has been taken away from him. That's not going to impress that 15-year-old. No, not at all.

So a young couple bought the house that he was in yeah and the police asked the new people listen weird request do you mind if we dig up your fish pond we'll pay for it yeah they said we'll pay for it uh the the guy said quote uh this is the uh sheriff said quote i learned monday that the house had changed hands and I went to the new owner and I asked if I could dig up his yard and I'd pay for it and he said yes so yeah there he's like I'll pay for it fuck it I don't

care whatever if you fix it I guess I don't give a shit so they do they said that they didn't even the chief of police here police chief Frank Schaefer Jr. he said he didn't even ever think of, you know, as David as a suspect in anything or anything like that. And anything he said, well, it's still calling. We just want to shut her up.

Yeah, well, he didn't run or do anything like that. So but whenever they talked to him, they didn't get a real good answer out of him. Like he said, quote, one reason he didn't run ever is that he maintained that she was missing and would say quote you're embarrassing me in front of the neighbors and so forth when we would talk to him about it so nothing happened he's like you're not going to dig up my yard that's everyone's gonna they already whisper you're gonna dig up my fucking yard like oh now they're all look at them all it's gonna be terrible so uh yeah it was mrs bowen though she was standing right there while they got to finally she, she's getting her show here. She's like, oh, here it is here.

She's got a pickaxe helping. Officers. We can do it. They emptied the goldfish pond. Two feet of concrete, by the way. That's thick. That's a lot of concrete, right? James, that's too much.

It's a lot of concrete. Two feet of concrete? You don't need that for a pool. I was going to say, you don't need that probably for a foundation of a house do you need two feet of concrete i don't think so no the slabs out here are like what eight inches tall maybe if that's six 16 maybe not it's not two feet two feet that's a lot of concrete that's the best oh my god best case guy builds a hell of a fish pond that thing is going nowhere he's got rebar in it that's the fuck probably jesus christ so they had to break through two feet of concrete to try to dig through this thing which was not

easy it took about an hour to break through it even with their equipment they had and when they finally break through it first thing they see is a plastic bag oh no um yeah they start pulling out different plastic bags here uh quote officers found various parts of body wrapped in paper under the pond after they've been digging for about an hour the body was chopped into pieces just like you would do to a hog or a steer one of the police said yeah um they believe it's probably debbie stewart but they bring it in to check for dental records. And it is Debbie Stewart. God damn it. Yeah.

The first bag contained a torso. Another one had her head and various parts of the body. There was about three bags there. And the remains were preserved pretty well, they said, too, actually, because he put lime over the parts. And they'd been wrapped in plastic and newspaper so he kind of mummified her a little bit making it a little easier to see everything but horrifying can you imagine that neighbor yes i fucking told you sure her husband's never going to be able to tell her anything again. She's like, I am fucking wrong. I'm right about everything. I was right about Debbie. Trust me.

God damn it. She changed her fucking resume. Yes. Crime scene investigator. She joined the force. She's on first 48 now. She ran for mayor and won probably police chief. Jesus Christ.

So smart. Yep. They did the autopsy. be police chief jesus christ so smart yep uh they did the autopsy and uh yes it is deborah stewart as deborah harrison stewart here they said they weren't always a little bit suspicious of david of course i say that now yeah i mean we always were a little suspicious here uh it was hard to determine the cause of death but the first cause they thought was possibly beheading, because that'll do it. Or de-arming. Basically any part you take on.

Be-legging. Be-legging. But the head's off. She was certainly be-torsoed. That'll do it. I don't know if she was alive beforehand, but once her head came off, we figured she was definitely dead. So we're going to cause that to jump off one. Jesus Christ. Way to go perry

mason good god thanks medical people holy shit unbelievable but after further investigation they show that they she probably died after a blow from a blunt instrument is what they think and uh they arrest david and they said well it's probably him i would imagine buried you know he probably did that. They the police chief said, quote, there are indications of motive. But right now we're still investigating as to the motive and are reluctant to disclose it. So where did the kids go? Did they go with him to wherever the fuck his next house was?

Yeah. Yeah. He was. Oh, my God. It's terrible. He was taking good care of the kids the whole time. There's never any problem about that. He was even fucking greasing the babysitter.

Unbelievable, man. Yeah, so they bring David in. They're going to question him because, I mean, he's kind of caught red-handed here. They question him. The sergeant that talks to him first, Jep Talent is his name. J-E-P, Jep. What? I don't know what that's even short for.

It's not Jeb, which is Jebadia. Jep? Is it Jasper? Jepilonius? i don't know what that's even short for it's not jeb which is jeb adia jepp is it is it jasper and jeppelonious jepp talent it's a shit name that's what that is yeah he said that he at first didn't tell david that the body was found oh didn't tell him at first and then he would he was just saying i want you to confess i know you did something with your wife and he said stewart wouldn't confess wouldn't confess wouldn't confess that's finally said hey david quote do you know what we've been doing today which is a uh-oh that's an uh-oh line whoops shit uh do i wanna fucking exhausted david i don't even want to talk to you and then he just says quote we dug up your fish pond which that's i mean if someone has a body under a fish pond and they said we dug up your fish pond which that's i mean if someone has a body under a fish

pond and they said we dug up your fish pond you're gonna go oh no so he said david became slightly nervous but still didn't say anything remained silent just started to look a little uncomfortable at that point how deep did you go did you get the concrete's pretty thick right no reason to go deeper than two feet you don't want to go deeper than two feet so uh he said that this is the tad jepp talent said quote i said david guess what we found under the concrete we found debbie and so talent then said quote he dropped his head and i told him that we had found her cut in pieces yeah so uh yeah hey david found all of her yeah so uh this is what happened he ends up going all right fine you got me yeah and he's fucking gives it up we know but he says exactly what happened he gives a full confession here oh no what does he say

okay this is from the uh basically she is mad at him about the electric bill remember that we'll start from there okay an argument ensued here she apparently accused him of being weak like i said not demanding a bigger salary she told him she was going to leave him and she left like we said she took off with the athletic bag and then came back now um you know she came back david was sitting outside waiting for the kids they went upstairs uh there the all the kids were asleep david and the kids went to bed before 10 o'clock. He woke up by Debbie coming in. She told him she decided to take the girls and go to Texas. So at that point, David said when she said, I'm taking the kids to live with not Virginia, my other sister in Texas.

I'm taking them. I'm leaving you. David said he had been reading a book and he just took it and threw it at debbie and hit her in the head with it and that killed her no yeah no no that was the beginning of it he took the book and fucking chucked it at her pretty close and hit her in the head with the book so um she had been hit in the head this only pissed her off more obviously and uh so then he picked up a jump rope that was lying on the floor that belonged to his middle daughter. His middle daughter is apparently an excellent jump roper and did like was basically like neighborhood jump rope champion.

And takes her jump rope that was lying on the floor and strangles Debbie to death with it. Yeah. Strangles her to death. Now, from the movement and the kind of the violence of this whole thing she's bleeding from her mouth and nose so uh he moves her to the shower in the bathroom by his by his bedroom there and uh she's like fuck what do i do now yeah okay killed my wife she's dead she's in the bathroom now what do i do um he says fuck i don't want the kids to be taken away from me tell you what i'm gonna do he takes her upstairs into the unfinished bathroom which is up you know

up in the second floor there which they're starting they're using and shit now it's it's whatever but this bathroom's still unfinished by the way takes three years later she was right let's be honest yeah three fucking three years fix the bathroom they usually what are you doing yeah so yeah that's the thing so uh he said uh he knew he couldn't dispose of the whole body he's like oh fuck am i gonna do with the whole body he said i can carry her she's not that heavy but you know she's small but she's not that small right if only i could get her smaller if only i could get her smaller so he used he used utility razors like box cutters oh my god to cut through her flesh and then a hacksaw to cut through the bone once

he got to the bone he is horrible dude that is so personal that is you gotta spend a lot of time that's what i've heard like mob hit men doing that in in tubs and these guys are like they've killed 40 people and they're like they don't give a fuck and they're hardened for someone to be able to do this to their wife right whoa man holy shit to anybody when you said i don't hunt because i don't want to do that to an animal you know what i'm saying like i can't do that to a person even more i mean i would hunt if i'm gonna eat it but yeah i don't know that i don't want to hack it up i don't want to i don't want to fucking hack it up no i want to eat the food i don't know i'm good with eating it i don't want to open it as i mean i just don't want to separate as up. I don't want to. I don't want to fucking hack it up. No, I want to eat the food. I'm good with eating it. I don't want to open it.

That's what I mean. I just don't want to. Separate it. As I said earlier, I'm not into gore. Like, that's just not my thing. So I don't. Wow. So he uses a hacksaw to cut through her bones.

When he was finished, he dismembered her into eight pieces. So he cut her off. One, two, three, four. That's a lot. Yeah. I think he quartered. Went to the elbows? Probably.

And the knees? Or probably the knees, because legs are longer. so i would imagine that's awful man your shin and your thigh would be about as long as your torso yeah like separately if you you know what i mean but not together they'd be longer let's see one two three four five six seven eight yes yep that's what it is legs i bet oh what a torso with the up yep that's we've got so anyway eight pieces here so next he wrapped each piece in newspaper separately and plat and placed each of them in plastic bags and took the bags to uh took the bags up there uh had him up in the up in the upstairs bathroom locked the bathroom door yeah and then went checked on the kids went to bed

that's what he did. That was the deal. Because this was at night. So he went and made sure the kids didn't wake up. See any of that? Nope. Didn't see me hacking up your mom. All right, go to bed.

This is top five worst ways to dismember somebody that we've covered. This is fucking horrible. Especially personally. And your wife. And your wife. This is fucking terrible. So he then, the next morning, took the kids to his aunt's house and watched the kids. And then he tried to figure out, wow, the fuck do I get rid of this body?

So he said he took about three weeks to figure out what to do. So he left the body just up there in parts decomposing in bags in his bathroom for three weeks. And then he said, fish pond. Fucking fish pond fucking fish pond yeah boom uh so when the time came to pour the cement that's when he dismissed his his laborer virgil from the job and the guy was like what the fuck are you talking about i got this too and he's like no no i got this i don't need you anymore i can't afford you or whatever so yeah that's what it was he said just before daybreak so you know very early he woke up uh he moved her body from the from the

the bathroom eight trips up the stairs yep down to the hole and put them all in the hole where he dug the fish pond covered it with cement that day finished the pond and uh from that time on the fish pond was always extremely nicely landscaped too just so it didn't look like it was like in disrepair it looked like a nice little thing and that was it uh new orleans how the fuck did he do that right well he got a friend of his named odell crudden who lives in new orleans to call him collect from various pay phones around the french quarter so that when his phone bill came in he could go to the cops and go look french quarter debbie's calling from he sucks yeah he really fucking sucks and uh the family even believed him because they were all down there together the cops and go look french quarter debbie's calling from he sucks yeah he really fucking

sucks and uh the family even believed him because they were all down there together looking for her yeah so um yeah it's pretty pretty crazy he goes to court and uh obviously he pleads innocent by reason of mental illness what illness okay um no what fucking mental illness do you have you've been you're an asshole you put her away and then you fucked a 15 year old. Yeah, you're an asshole. But that's not crazy. No. You can be a dick and not be crazy.

You're just a bad person. So the court doesn't start till September 1988. So this is over four years after this happened. Even he wants a change of publicity, a change of venue due to publicity, because obviously this is big fucking news around this place. And that old lady's been telling everybody. Oh, and wife found in every article from that time she's in it. No, and I knew it.

I told everybody I saw him digging the hole. I mean, that her quotes were in every single article. But this was really big news around this area because it's, you know, it's interesting. This would be big news here in Phoenix. Anywhere. Four million found in the fish. And there's four million. Yeah, found in the fish pond. It's fucking crazy.

So he argued that this case presented an unusual situation. It attracted widespread publicity. And he said that, you know, there's gruesome and bizarre facts surrounding the case that people hear. It's too much. This community where it occurred is relatively small, it says. And the fact that many people in the community knew the victim also doesn't help either and the fact that it was widely covered in news media including the associated press and the national inquirer talked about this

no you've been on every supermarket rack at every aisle in america so people know of this it's outside of america too and that's what I mean. Everything that borders us. Canada knows all about you, sir. I just figure there won't be any juries. We're not going to have any trials in Vancouver, probably. It's kind of outside of our jurisdiction. We're going down to the Caribbean for this trial. It's going to be a tropical wonderland.

So, yeah, but the judge says, quote, the existence of widespread publicity alone does not indicate that a defendant will not get a fair trial. The law focuses on the impartiality of the trial jury, and he denies it. He denies it. He said that that's why you have Wadir is why you ask the jurors if they're comfortable making a decision based on that. She said that they asked the jurors if anything they've read or heard would influence their verdict record indicates that no prospective juror indicated that he or

she could not render a fair and impartial verdict based on even if they saw everything about it in the newspaper who the fuck in public would say no i'm not nuanced enough of a thinker to separate what i've heard in that even in private people aren't going to say that but this is like an open court challenge you're sitting there there's 50 people in the court and they're like are you an adult enough right to separate what you of course people are going to say they can but that's in there the fuck are you dude if you read that back then the newspaper sitting on the shitter in the morning and you're like god damn this motherfucker buried his wife then you went out and you went did you read that article about that guy buried his wife in the fish pond and everybody talked about it at work i'm sorry you think that guy buried his wife in the fish pond that's not really

fair but whatever they say uh beat shit and uh whatever so next up he says look i'm crazy i'm obviously i'm fucking loony here so i would like a mental health exam at least to show that i'm not all there the judge says no think you're good that uh there's no exam i think you're okay there yeah he said that uh they said quote the appellant at the time later on when he's actually after he gets convicted which he's gonna yeah spoiler alert here uh as if you didn't know it already he they said he presented absolutely no testimony that he was suffering from a mental disease or defect

at the time of the commission of the crime that would support his not guilty by reason of insanity defense. The only testimony the appellant put on in support of his motion for a psychiatric evaluation was that of two local attorneys. Clint Brown, one of them, testified that it had been his experience as a practicing attorney that an examination from Taylor Hardin Secure Medical Facility was thorough and furnished to court with a detailed report of a person's psychiatric history.

And Richard Adams, who was another lawyer who'd been involved in his case, said that he did not think that he was crazy, but he did need a psychiatric evaluation. I do, too. So two lukewarm endorsements there. Judge denies it, though. Doesn't even give him a... I don't understand why you don't do that. I don't like that. Especially in a murder trial of something this big.

Why would you want to leave a rock to be turned? You know what? Go ahead and do it. Give it all. You're not going to fucking beat the system here. Not with this. They found your wife dismembered under your pond and you admitted to doing it. The pond that she wanted.

Yeah. Like, it's so personal. That's what I mean. That was personal. Like, oh, you like a pond so fucking much? wife dismembered under your pond and you admitted to doing it the pond that she wanted yeah like it's so personal that's what i mean that was personal like oh you like a pond so fucking much give you a fucking you can live under it yeah that was real real fucking weird that's fucking cold it is cold yeah it's it's very cold so he uh that's like uh what's his name his mother's tongue that he buried there and all that shit his vocal box yeah ed kemper yeah that's what it reminds me of yeah and facing the way yeah it's that so that he can fucking she can see him that's exactly what it is so the detective officer talent he comes on the stand old jepp jepp here uh he says that you know he wasn't coercive it was all free will he didn't force a force a confession because

also one of the things david's saying is they told him that uh that he was going to burn and he was going to fry and he's going to go to the electric chair and all that which of course they said that this isn't a capital case though it's not no it's not a capital case because the way he described it it's quick it's like a second degree it It's not a moment. It's not a planned out thing. He didn't like have the whole dug already or anything like that. Planned is really the disposal. But I mean, at that point, you kind of got a plan. Yeah.

At that point, there's got to be something. You can't just go, well, I'll leave it up in the bathroom. The other cold hearted door lock is using your daughter's toy that she probably used for a long time after that. Yeah. I really hope he threw it out. Every time she's in the front yard jumping rope, you don't feel like a piece of garbage right jesus christ i really hope he threw it out i you hope so pray he fucking threw it out i don't know where it went i don't

know i don't know it's gone i found it in two pieces weird right throw it away i'll get you a new one tomorrow oh boy so he the detective, he further testified that he didn't recall whether or not he made a statement about frying him. He did say that he was positive that if it was made, it wasn't made to threaten or coerce him. It was just to, you know, talk shit. Basically, they said they asked him when the talk about possible punishment in the in the case and whose idea who brought it up. And he said that was David. He asked what he could expect. When the talk about possible punishment in the case and whose idea, who brought it up, and he said that was David, he asked what he could expect. This was after he gave the statement.

So he said, David said, what am I going to get? And he goes, I bet they're going to fry you, pal, or some shit like that, which is just shit talking, basically. That's just dunking on him. Yeah. He said, quote, you could tell that it shook David up a little bit. He didn't show any emotional breakdown or anything like that. Yeah. They said, no. it he didn't show any emotional breakdown or anything like that yeah uh they said they said

uh no when he said that uh no they said did you ask him did he want to did you ask him this before he wanted to talk to you and he said no he did this afterwards basically so he said he'd asked him do you have anything to tell me and he said no and he continued and he said well we got debbie out from under the fish pond and after that he said well i guess i better talk to you yeah which is a yeah obviously now they they asked him the detective if they told david that he videotaped the excavation and they said they didn't tell him that they told him that there was no discussion of a videotape or anything like that because they're trying to say that they told david that they threatened him saying there's a tape of the excavation i don't know what difference that would have made but he's saying they were trying to threaten him and make him feel uncomfortable.

For the sole purpose of saying, like, they could have been bluffing. I guess, yeah. That's what you're allowed to lie to a defendant in an interrogation. You're 100% allowed to lie. Absolutely. You can take wild stabs in the dark. Fuck yeah, you can. Because, I mean, if you're wrong, that gives that guy all the fucking confidence in the world.

That's what I mean. They know you don't know anything. They don't know what you're talking about. So you can take a wild stab. Showing your hand? Yeah. Why would you do that? If you all the fucking that's i mean they know you don't know anything they don't know what you're talking about so you can take a wild show in your hand why would you do that if you believe so i mean you can say like yeah we ran the test this person's dna is on your shoes even if it's not just to see what they say i don't know why they would have it there so yeah if you're totally innocent you go bullshit yeah none of my fucking shoes and if you don't you go oh fuck right just tell by your reaction then you start thinking oh my god i had blood on my shoes did i had blood on my shoes that I wiped off. Yeah, did I have blood on my shoes?

Right. Because that's what they're doing. They're trying to get it in your head. It's like, you forgot that one spot, chief. You wiped them off pretty good, but you got to get that right over by the laces. That's how I'm under there. That's where we always find it. Between the tongue and the side where the laces go through.

It gets in there. Always gets in there. You never think it is, but it is. So they introduced the prosecutors in court a statement, which he said that he strangled his wife, cut her apart with a razor blade and ax. Oh boy, that got read in court. And that just,

how'd you like to sit there? Well, that's red. Whoa boy. And what about her family? That's terrible to sit there and listen to that. So they said that, uh,

you know, they, they weren't positive about her cause of death. They only have what David told them that he strangled her to death, which seems he hasn't lied. He stopped lying pretty much after that. He admitted everything. He said exactly how he cut her up and everything like that.

They said that he made two confessions after her body was discovered. They read both confessions there. He tried to say that they were inadmissible. They were like, no, this is very admissible. They were trying to say he was pressured by the talk of an electric chair into into doing that. But it wasn't. Now, the defense defense attorney, Norman Roby, he's got a tough job. This is a shit job for this guy.

Really? You told them what? For Christ's sake. So in your yard. Yeah. OK. And you talk. OK.

So there was eight pieces that they found and you told them eight pieces okay you fucking dick yeah so he says that okay uh police pressured him into giving the first confession and they continued to question him after he wanted to stop it's a miranda thing he wanted to stop and they continued pressuring him but the detectives gave the opposite you know testimony saying that the confessions were given without coercion and he's just an asshole who realized that we found his fucking wife in his yard so november 18th 1988 is the verdict yeah and he is guilty yeah very guilty yeah not a lot to get out of there now the sentencing comes around and the judge here says because he makes a statement guilty of first we had no no it's a i don't know it's just a murder but it's not a it's not a capital murder so qualify it doesn't qualify for death penalty so he says the judge tells him because david tries to make a statement saying that you know

wasn't in my right mind we had marital problems and it was just you know got out of control and blah blah blah so the judge says that marital problems were no excuse for strangling and dismembering your wife and then putting her in plastic bags and burying her under a pond he literally said that in court like that's not an excuse for that really nothing is as a matter of fact here it's hard to say that with a straight face yes uh the judge then said that the sentence he's going to give doesn't even fit the crime but this is the toughest penalty that the law allows me to give you right now and it is uh you sir may fuck off life in prison uh does get possibility of parole as we'll talk about but um yeah otherwise unless he's paroled his sentence is 999 years 99 months and 99 days for life that's his yeah that sentence that's a sentence if he doesn't

get paroled so let's talk about all of that here that's that 99 to life part right yeah it's just that that's life i guess they don't want to give you a thousand years because it sounds silly just sounds stupid at that point like come on who lives at 999 it's fine but a thousand sounds a bit ridiculous but it's just a shade under that $1,000, 1,000-year what-the-fuck we just do. They even knew not to make Noah that old. You know what I mean? And that story is the biggest full of shit ever. And they even went, like, $1,000?

That's too old. No one's going to buy that. The whole book's full of shit. It doesn't matter. $800, I think, is probably a better, right? Would you buy $800 or $1,000? Seriously, think about it, dude. Got to make this shit believable. So he says that the trial court erred in denying his motion for a psychiatric evaluation.

He said he argues that because he was indigent and he had no money, he was entitled to a psychiatric evaluation to assist in the presentation of his defense. And he said that there's a law here it's in oklahoma it's a case from oklahoma he cites saying that when a defendant demonstrates to the trial judge that his sanity at the time of the offense is to be a significant factor at trial the state must at a minimum assure the appellant access to a competent psychiatrist who will conduct an appropriate examination and assist in the evaluation and presentation of the defense i I fully agree with that. I agree with that 100%. Absolutely. Yeah, you can't just tell people,

not you're fine, throw him in jail. We got to keep this on the up and up. Yeah, that's the thing. If it's on the up and up, then you can say, yeah, fuck that guy. But when it's not on the up and up, that's when people are like, oh, I feel bad for a murderer

because you're like, I fucking shouldn't die. This is why we need great defense attorneys because everybody should get a fair shake court needs to be spotless i know it's impossible and it's difficult but it fucking needs to be as close to it as we can possibly get absolutely you know so uh but the judge also cites that the a criminal defendant does not have a right to a mental examination merely because he requests one nor does the fact that an accused is indigent automatically entitle him to a free psychiatric evaluation i don't like the way fact that an accused is indigent automatically entitle him to a

free psychiatric evaluation. I don't like the way that's worded. An indigent defendant will be entitled to state funded psychiatric assistance only after he's made a preliminary showing that his sanity at the time of the offense is questionable, which he was asking for that. They said, though,

after reviewing the record carefully, the court finds no error in the trial court's analysis there. So basically fuck off there. They said, you know, you don't get that and you shouldn't have got that. I don't like that at all. I hate that because then it's like we have to do this on the cheap. Yeah, that's what it is. And cheap is never good.

You don't get no free doctor visit. It's like we're talking about a murder trial. They're pretty expensive. We're talking about hanging on to him for the rest of time. Let's get him a shrink for $100 an hour for an hour and just see what's going on let's just poke in there hours don't care that's 600 bucks to the stock it let's do it it's better than countless appeals that go on forever and have have merit and can be you know take longer time here uh now he uh they're also the change of venue the The judge says, this is funny. In these days of swift, widespread, and diverse methods of communication, this is 1989.

He's talking about this. So swift. An important case can be expected to arouse the interest of the public in the vicinity, and scarcely of any of those best qualified to serve as jurors will have not formed some impression or opinion as to the merits of the case. Basically, unless you have your head buried in the fucking sand like with the oj case what are you gonna say you've never heard of this right what are you fucking joking do you want anyone who's like i never heard what's going on now you want back eye on the jury really yeah you know you don't he's fucking completely clueless and adam he's not a regular member of society no that's nobody's peer no that's what that's a hermit's peer right that's it ted kaczynski's peer so he says uh this is

particularly true in criminal cases to hold that the mere existence of any preconceived notion as to guilt or innocence of an accused without more is sufficient to rebut the presumption of a prospective juror's impartiality so yeah basically jurors can figure it out on their own, which I also, come on. I mean, it didn't have to be that. You could have moved it a county or two over. They would have heard about it less. You know what I'm saying?

It wouldn't have been so right up their ass. They wouldn't have heard the neighbor complaining the whole time. You own a bunch of people with no TVs sitting on a jury. Those are the worst people. That's what I mean. Not even read the news even just nothing i know nothing about what's happening in society the fuck's wrong with you that's fucking weird and finally the voluntariness of his statements he says that the police can failed to

comply with the mandates of miranda in that he says they continued to question him after he invoked his miranda rights to remain silent but they say that's actually not true. Basically, he said that he wasn't invoking his Fifth Amendment right to remain silent. He said he answered no. Basically, the officer said, I asked him, quote, do you have anything to tell me? And he said, no, that's not that's not pulling your Miranda rights. That's a conversation. You have to say, I want my my attorney now. And then you have to keep saying it because most of the

time they're going to say well if we give you get an attorney then we can't talk to you anymore and we can't help you that's what they're going to tell you great good get me my fucking attorney is what you got to do your help is just going to land me in jail and then you got to wait for it right without time the whole time they're going to be like sipping coffee sure you don't want to talk i mean it's a long way to get you out of the cell i mean maybe we could help you you know you never know donald have a chat there you go so uh that's kind of how it works here so you have to say what you mean and he doesn't so they said that he was denying it was more like they thought he was denying involvement in the case than he was saying he didn't want to talk to them at all he's like no i ain't saying shit like a kid would do

right basically uh they said that his assessment of his situation was both inaccurate and misleading the officer's assessment since the officer uh told him that he's going to fry and his wife this is a murder case not a capital murder case so despite this though they said that his advice to david was not to constitute reversible error because there's enough evidence that uh it doesn't matter basically that the confession was voluntary even if it was a little dirty basically so he's in jail there this is alabama you have to you have to remember like it's not there's not imperfect justice and everywhere in the world and especially we know about it anyway in america i'm sure it's worse

other places but there's a lot of injustice here but this isn't one that like it's this is a mild one compared to what we scream uh yeah new trial exactly so 1993 there is a book that's going to come out yeah about this this is uh a woman writes a book here and uh we'll talk about it in a second here it's a glenda yarbrough she lives in in Alabama, and she is going to write a book about this whole thing. And it's a partly fictionalized account. I thought that was cool. Well, I'll read you the whole thing here. Yeah, it's a book that the lawsuit is at the request of basically everybody in her family.

They even name her three children in there and everything like that. And they're suing Yarbrough? They're suing her. They're trying to get it blocked. They're not suing her. They're trying to get the book blocked basically here uh and they do uh this is the description of the book on amazon because it eventually came out quote based on a true story yeah which means it's not true right if you see based on a true story you go a nugget of this we

sensationalize this fuck out of yes this idea caused this other idea to happen basically publication of this book was banned for over 500 days shut up can't you say a year and a half right 500 days sounds much longer by a local judge in decatur alabama this ruling was overturned by the alabama supreme court enabling publication of the manuscript under the fish pond is a novel based on a true story. So it's bullshit with a with a dead lady under exactly that kept the local community guessing where the mother of three was rumor spread throughout the community, but no one could prove what happened to the young mother, but a determined sister would not accept the

story that her brother-in-law told about his wife. Virginia is a strong-willed southern lady, driven by love for her sister and determination to ensure that Debbie's children know the depths of their mother's love. They must be assured that she would never willingly desert them. Yikes. So, yeah, that's what we're looking at here. I want nothing to do with that.

Yep. So that apparently wasn't able to be published until, like, 1995. And, yeah, I bought it and read it just like a kid. Yeah, for this. This is what I mean. How bad is it? It's fucking, it's bad. It's a lifetime movie on paper.

Oh, boy. That's what it is. It's one of those. That's what she was aiming for. That's exactly what she was. I'm going to get this on TV. Exactly. And I'm going to make so much money.

Exactly. Then they're going to give me another one. Oh, baby. Oh, because I'm an asshole. I'm going to go around to small towns looking for buried people. Ugh. So January of 2001, he is up for parole and denied for parole. 2001. I mean, Christ, he's only been in there for 12 years.

He's only 13 years he's been sentenced. You're not getting out. We got 19 to go to get to present day. That's what I'm saying. September 2005, parole hearing. District Attorney Bob Burrell objected to parole for stewart citing the brutal nature of his crime he prosecuted the case as a da and he says and he showed up for the parole here how you doing hey remember me no he's not on the parole board he was he showed up he's just

there to give his side of the story yeah it's been almost 20 years and he's still ready to go do that shit uh he says that he would rather see see David serve his full sentence would be fine. He requested parole there. Like we said, he would be eligible in 2010. He gets a hearing in 2011, a parole hearing. A three-man board took less than five minutes to tell him to eat dicks and take the fuck off. And there he's being held to medium security at the time. And his parole, again, was opposed by the district attorney who came there.

2016, he's up for parole again and denied. Great. Denied. He still sits in jail. And he keeps getting denied in like five minutes. They already know he's denied. There's no remorse still. They don't give a...

Yeah, exactly. He's got to do something. So as of right now, he is an Easterling Correctional Center, medium's denied. There's no remorse still. They don't give a... Yeah, exactly. He's got to do something. So as of right now, he is an Easterling Correctional Center medium security facility. And there he is. His AIS, which is his Alabama number. You know what I would like to see, James? I would love to see him get paroled and then the DA come back to him and say, yes, you're out.

But we have this 15-year-old. Yeah, let's talk about that. Who told us a horrible story yeah let's talk about that who told us a horrible story let's talk about that i would love for him to get convicted of pedophilia and get thrown right the fuck back somebody tell me what the age of consent was in alabama in 1984 because it could be 14 i'm not even kidding i'm not even joking it could be like very easily it could very easily be 14 because i know like idaho was like 14 for long time. So it was like a weird law that everybody used to talk about. It certainly is disgusting, whether it's legal or not.

Legal or not. Disgusting. Gross. Absolutely. So Deborah Harrison Work, which was her name before she married him, she ended up buried here at the Rose Lawn Gardens of Memory in Decatur, Alabama. She is in the Garden of Everlasting Life section. Beautiful.

So good for her. Poor Debbie. That's a terrible thing to have happen. I hope there's no pond there. No, God. I hope it's not near a pond. Nowhere near a pond. I feel so bad for those little girls.

That's awful. That's the worst thing. Who were told for three years that their mother abandoned them. Yeah. Only to find out that they would fucking play around a pond where she's. That's disgusting. It's absolutely horrible and heartless. And I hope that asshole doesn't get parole because he doesn't fucking deserve it he doesn't people have done

worse shit on this show obviously but that affected his own kids so shittily like he shows how little heart this guy has that we really don't need him around right and worse the people that live in that house now probably it's probably still standing right i would assume so tear that down that's expensive probably that's a nice neighborhood. So, I mean, it's definitely something there. They've got to know. It's rough. So, I don't know.

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Mina. Ah, shit. Jude Kendall. George Lopez. He had to put his dog Karma down. Oh, I saw that. I'm saw that i'm sorry i'm sorry george or jorge that's probably jorge uh louise rayfield uh elizabeth leatherland autumn with no last name steve schnell and pa thanks steve nick letourneau by the way mary kay letourneau's son's

name is nick it is i don't know if it's the same dude well if it is i really hope it is and nick i hope you're thriving, buddy. Yeah. Patrick Haggerty, Marissa Levine, Dove Harper, Toby Moulton, Pamela Camel, Alexandria Bracken... No. Bracken... Bracken... Wow. What is happening?

Brackanovich, I think. Abby Green, Emily with no last name. William Perry. William Northcutt. Angela Reynolds. TJ Mack. Thank you, TJ. Megan House.

Mike with no last name. Iggy? No. Iska? Oh, 1564 Ventures. I tried to pronounce numbers. Jackie Sukup. Aidan Toth.

Dave in Salt Lake City. Kelsey Burton. Hey. Why was that so hard? Oh, boy. Hayden Toth, Dave in Salt Lake City, Kelsey Burton. Hey. Why was that so hard? Oh, boy. Niraj Vijay, CJ McAndrews, Jenny Melo, Matt Wilson, Gene. I was doing so great. John Jean, Dayher, Dear, Carl Weber, Hafid Cristobal, Mike Szymanski, Eve Fry, Lou Bush, Christina

Cassidy, Amber Adams, Jacqueline Payton, Martha Eggler, no, Engler. We've run easy ones before. I know. Pixie Gamers, Harton Hunter, McCarthy. I can't get the easy ones either. Kat McFarland. No, Kat Ferguson. Nick. You get the easy ones either. Cat McFerguson. Nick. You're a disaster, Jimmy.

Fleming or Fleming. I think it's Fleming. More likely Fleming than Fleming. Right. I've heard that name more. Sharina Sweeney. Daniel Pinenberg. Josh Elul.

Eric Bryan. Nick Klug. Wheels are coming off right now. Luke Banks frick kristin menace tim carr michelle counsel marianne and paul carnes larry dunn dave with no last name adriana to uh to massain nope and there goes the white wall. The brakes started leaking. Michael Lakin, Katri Fuel, Spencer Woolard. Oh, Spencer, I know her. She's fantastic. Thank you.

Armando Vera, Christy Stutz, Billy Daniels, Yasmin M., and her cousin Melissa, Harry Edwards, Mama Mandy Collins, Emily with no last name, Luke Lay, Christina Hills, Hannahannah hannah jacobs anna celeste carly arlington nope it's allington uh tyler bowers gage simmons mariah maria maria r uh jacqueline garcia uh shannon avery uh esli i think esli anderson yep uh yeah kevin we Leslie Anderson. Yep. Kevin Wee. Catherine Logan. Joe Johnson. Chris with no last name. Adrian Lacey. Thank you, Adrian.

Her husband's, they live up in Milwaukee. We see them at the shows up there. Thank you. Melissa England. Laurel Sullivan. Tina Dedrick. Taryn Lutz. Amanda.

No. Yeah. Amanda Strobeck. God damn it. Sean Wolf. Stroop. Stroop, Strobeck. God damn it. Sean Wolfe. Cynthia Palmer. Dominic Duncan. Jeeze Shabazz.

Meredith Williams. Caden Gomalski. Christina Cassidy. Kendall Kerr. Hendel. That's probably Kendall. It's not Hendel. Leslie Alcantar.

Mona Stevens. Joan John. Kylo Rikilo. Adam Apple. Aaron Miller. Alexis Binder. hendel leslie uh alcantar mona stevens joan john kylo or kilo adam apple aaron miller uh alexis binder james bidwell gian one gian gianni giannone no giannini giannini uh sarah drake i think angela uh placentia uh angel with no last name caleb plumber yep plumber palmer hey fuck crystal i'm getting there we're almost done crystal leanne charlie prigmore uh denna denna what denna divi earlier no yeah david brayton broughton savannah barfield uh amanda ronning kim kim cameron stephanie zaka marthaa, what did I do?

Casta Tutasonan? I'm not going to work here anymore. Not going to work here anymore. Nikki with no last name. Tina Henson, Quelxie, Matthew McAfee, Booze Wizard, Carol Pollan, Shauna Mahoney, Amitrano, Sam with no last name, Kenzie Gearhart, Zach Basler, Miranda Jones Carol Pollen, Shauna Mahoney, Amitrano, Sam with no last name, Kenzie Gearhart, Zach Basler, Miranda Jones, Ike Vasco, not that Drew. I guess that's another Drew.

Michael D'Amato, Danielle Erickson, Zach Basler, Jay Jacobs, Mark Peralta, Andrew Hunt, Jay with no last name, Ian Artemovich. I think I did that right. No, I didn't. Amy Webb. Blair Bryant. Ray Sean Eastman. Nicole Gonzalez.

Jim Morphus Gas. Melissa Weber. Amanda Strickhauser. Blair Bryant. Chris Stahl. God damn it. Anthony LaPoma. Kyle McDonald. Lizard Q, Juliet Hughes, Pedro Gonzalez, Amanda Pesce, six.

No. Listen, this says penis in seven different ways, and that's not her name. Seven different penis. Yes. Bobby Chamblee or Chambliss, Annalise Hull, Jillian with no last name, Arias Persol, Kayla Roberts, Amanda Siegel, Britt Beckner, FML, Dan Curran, Andrew Fiegel, Jamie Nosebush, Shane Rankin, Jenny Bukowski, I think. Ryan Kincaid-Creen. Emily Bain. Timothy Arigie. Todd Purley.

How did we get the hardest? Darius DJ. Michelle Gleason. Elio Purin. Sarah Stallman. Dylan Albertson. Robertson. Jericho Carbon.

I am Andy Redman. Brian Culbertson. Mike Rabe. Gary with no last name, Jennifer Burns, Nicole Sabenka, S. Rodriguez, Denise Willery, no, Worley, Worley Ayala, Maura Pintar, Marion Mueller, Michael Manzo, Stacy DiRio, no Josh Austin, Ben Larson, Eric with no last name, Oliver Cason-Gerry, Melissa Lydia, Brad Wendell, Shelley Murphy, Jesse Strickland, Aaron Berzinski, and Shirley? No, Shipley. Derek Saylor, Vincent Warburton, Jonathan Porter, Andy Mitchell, Sam Rosner, Lucy with no last name, Gonzalo Cabrera,

Andra, Bella Boone, Shauna Taylor, Jeremy Short, Michelle Perenaud, no, Antoinette Livermore, Chris Shands, Dakota Lipine, April Bennett, Tyler Knapp, Heather Espy, Nicole and Ashley, by the way, their mother and daughter. And they donated last week.

Her mother did under that. And then she donated this week under that. So now we have two Nicole and Ashley's same people. Liana Boyd, Colin Spencer, Caitlin Coburn andrew geisner geiser jeff blow bomb jesus uh katie oatley uh sounds like a porn uh genre uh michael walters cameron bullard gina crowe i only do blow bombs yeah uh jeff matt de stefano uh Jenna Crow, Cameron Bullard, Sierra Plotz, Sam Terranova, Dirty Luckstache, I don't know what that is, Tiffany Cronquist, Susan Phillips, Kristen Urie, Jason Wiener, no, yes, it is, Echo Clayton, Jennifer Cabaz, Lisa Ko, Sanjay Higazig, Kylie Placic, Ray Sanders, Joshua Smith, Jessica, Max, Marks, Mark Garcia, Johnny Block, Ryan Hansen, Ruth Beagle, Jessica Rojas, Dahlia Dominguez, Mitt Mitt, Jenny, no, Jenny Hand, yep, Carrie Galazorn, no, Heather Holbrooks, Craig Bissette, Chris Riesenbeck, Matt, what is this, War Machine Coppenhaver, Andrew Augustus, Tracy Johnson, Ethan Benfield, Dan Krawczyk, TD, Terrell Hanson, Tiffany Druch, Brittany Wright, Kevin Franklin, Jim Barrow, Monica Colson, Jimmy, Terry, Andrew, Brian, Dick Minge, Steph Monroe, Elaine Kratz, and Lucille Farrell. Thank you guys so, so much.

And also thinking about Lisa over there in North Carolina. Oh, yeah, big time. She's wonderful. Hang in there, Lisa. Yeah, man. Sorry to hear that. We think about you. Be good.

Thank you. Thank you, everybody. Fucking thank you guys so much. There's so many. There's so many, and we just really appreciate everything you do for us. Thank you guys. You're honestly keeping us alive, being that we can't tour. Right.

That's normally how we make money, so thank you, guys. I assure you the second that we're allowed, we will. We will be out as soon as we can. Not only do we want you guys to have shows, we want to do shows. Right. We're anxious. We got used to that. We like being on the road.

We like coming to the towns. We like seeing you guys. We like the whole thing. It's fun. We like meeting everybody. Yeah. yeah it's good shit so we're really excited to do that and uh if we can we can getting to tell you a person uh the thank you is fucking enormous too we love that it's an energy too there's an energy in those crowds it's amazing man right when they all shout shut up and give me murder loud as fuck in the beginning i'm like this is gonna be great stuff you can tell it's a good crowd.

You're like, yeah, this is going to be good shit. But what if one of the people here wanted to tell you that you're good shit, Jimmy? How could they get a hold of you? You can find me at WismanSucks, W-H-I-S-M-A-N sucks on Instagram and Twitter. Thank you guys so much for really everything. Where can they tell you? You can tell me at JimmyPIsFunny or just copy and paste my name from the show description and do it that way.

And I will tell you this. If you're a dick, I'm not a nice guy. I'm just not. I'm not one of these guys like turn the other cheek or not one of these guys. I just block them. I don't care. I will mock you and make fun of you and fucking bully you. And that's not an invitation.

It's not. I promise. It's not. But if you want to motherfucker, bring it because I don't care. I'm such an asshole. I'll never give in to what you want to motherfucker bring it because i don't care i'm such an asshole i'll never give in to what you want me to say i'm always just going to insult you horribly and creatively and then other people will laugh at how stupid you look and make fun of you that's how it works so fuck off stop bothering us with dumb shit want to say hi you want to say you fuck

something up that's fine i don't care i'm up for saying we fuck something up except for pronunciations put those in your pocket but otherwise it's fine but that said god damn it everybody thank you so much for joining us and until next week everybody it's been our pleasure Hey, Prime members, you can listen to Small Town Murder early and ad-free on Amazon Music. Download the Amazon Music app today. Or you can listen early and ad-free with Wondery Plus and Apple Podcasts.

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