Small Town Murder - #172 - Natural Born Killer Idiots in Chubbuck, Idaho

Episode Date: May 21, 2020

This week, in Chubbuck, Idaho, two young men, seeking the infamy of their serial killer heroes for themselves, they set out to make a mark on the world, with murder. Luckily for police, they brazenly document most of their own thoughts, actions, and confessions on video, that is found after the boys finally go too far, and commit a senseless, and brutal killing. This one is extra crazy! Along the way, we find out that people in Idaho don't seem to like Idaho, that you probably shouldn't video incriminating things, and that Ed Gein might not be the best role model for the youth!! Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman New episodes every Thursday! Donate at: patreon.com/crimeinsports or go to paypal.com & use our email: [e-mail] Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder & Crime In Sports! Follow us on... twitter.com/@murdersmall facebook.com/smalltownpod instagram.com/smalltownmurder Also, check out James & Jimmie's other show, Crime In Sports! On iTunes, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts# See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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if you do listen don't say hey there was jokes in there you've been warned so that's how that goes but for the rest of you who want to have a good time and hear a crazy story i think it's time i think it's time to sit back and shout shut up and give me murder let's do this jimmy i would love it let's go let's go on a trip okay we were down in the southeast last week not too bad not too bad now we're going clear across the country northwest wise we're going to idaho oh oh boy potatoes and militias here we go uh we're going to Chubbuck, Idaho. What? C-H-U-B-B-U-C-K, Idaho. Okay. Chubbuck.

It's one of the silliest named towns we've had so far. It's pretty dumb. It's in southeastern Idaho. Okay. Down there, outside of the Panhandle, anyway, going up north. It's the fat area. It's the fat area. It's the pan.

This is the pan. It's about three hours and 20 minutes to Boise. Yeah. Over to the west. About two and a half. He said, yeah, like he knows where it is. I do. You do know where this is?

I've been to this area. You've been to Chubbuck? I've never been to Chubbuck. It's right by Pocatello. Yeah, it's right by Pocatello. It's right outside Pocatello. Idaho Falls. It's right there.

It's right outside Pocatello. Two and a half hours down to Salt Lake City and about three hours and 20 minutes to Garden City, which is right outside Boise. So that's episode 122. That's our last Idaho episode. Southeastern Idaho is a wild ass place, in a year yeah oh it's what's interesting as we'll find out here and this is just like a suburban kind of town but it's it's a weird place this is in bannock county b-a-n-n-o-c-k zip code 83202 area code 208 it's about 4.25 square miles so it's a little one it's

a little town i mean it's a nice little town it's's wedged in, like I said, next to Pocatello. Yeah. Chubbuck. Seems like a suburb or some shit. Sounds like what a guy in Lubbock, Texas calls his dick. Yeah. This is my Chubbuck. How you doing?

I'm Paul from Lubbock. Let me show you my Chubbuck. Let me introduce you to my Chubbuck. So the motto of this town is, quote, built for business, designed for living. What? Okay. Or the other one. Built for business.

They didn't show up, so we figured, fuck it. We built it for business, but we said, let's design. Well, they should be able to live here, too, right? I guess. I mean, sure. I suppose. I mean, fuck. They're going to have to work there.

I guess they can live there. That area of the state has very little there. There's not a lot of commerce. We'll hear about that. Even in this town, it seems pretty bleak for how many people are here. It's really weird. That is the one built for business, designed for living. And the other one that's a little lesser known is Chubbuck.

Isn't that hilarious? Don't you want to live in a town with a hilarious name? Doesn't it sound goofy? Isn't it fun? So we're going to call that back in a little bit, too, by the way. So history of this town. In the early 1800s, there were some hunters and trappers that came here. This pretty much should still only be the only people there should be hunters and trappers, I believe.

Pretty much is. I don't know why anyone's there except to spread the LDS word. I'm not sure why anyone's there. My buddy Casey's dad has a room that would solidify your thought, Hunter. His living room is just fucking dead animals everywhere. Heads and pelts and shit everywhere. Rugs and heads and it's just dead shit everywhere. A lot of shit to kill around there, I guess. So, yeah, the first settlers here were the Bannock and the Shoshone Indians.

John C. Fremont came to the area here in about 1843 and said, this is a good area for agriculture. We're going to grow shit here, I think. Mainly potatoes. Yeah. The ground is fertile. We'll give them that. Potatoes, as far as the eye can see. What do you say here?

The city got its name from a railroad conductor. That's the guy's name was earl chubbuck that's why it's a bad name because nobody made it up and was like that's good right it's not going on by what's your name what's your name earl chubbuck he said chubbuck that's fucking hilarious i don't know what the hell he said i think it was chubbuck we'll just write that down i guess i don't know i they started the train horn in the middle of his last name i don't know he said we're headed to lubbock i don't know what the fuck that means it could have been chesterfield let's call him chubbuck though uh formally it was called chubbuck beat run okay and then they said well that no one's gonna come here that's that sounds terrible we're not we're not naming it that no one wants beats let's not do this they later short shortened it to chubbuck siding i don't know is it sounds like a place that sells yeah like vinyl side awful shit

on houses in chubbuck yeah and eventually they dropped that because they said that is that's dumber than chubbuck how are we making this this worse? Our name is Chubbuck, and we're putting worse things on the end of it to confuse and make stupider. So let's not do that. Silly. There was no land open for settlement at the time. But quickly, they kind of grew into a frontier town, and it was wide open, and there's no rules and no law. And this is the opposite of what it is now. Now it's, you know, I mean, this is the opposite of what it is now. Yeah.

Well, now it's, you know, I mean, it's Mormon. Let's be honest here. So it's heavily closed. It's not wide open would be the opposite of what it is. Bars serve beer and wine. That's it. Yeah. It's weird.

This here, though, was a different thing. This was like Deadwood, basically, out here. Oh, my God. Saloons and gambling. 24 hours a day no closing time i mean even the gem salute even al swearingen closed down for a couple hours to you know the jizz off the wall wipe the jizz off the walls yell at tricksy up in his room and then put his weird pajamas on put his weird filthy pajamas washed ever he's one of the wealthiest guys in town. Clean your pajamas, Al.

What the fuck are you doing? I just wondered that about Deadwood. I'm like, Al, clean your pajamas. Your pajamas are filthy. Wouldn't you want to sleep in something nice and clean? At least drop him off to a fucking clothery somewhere and have him wash them. He's got Woo. Well, Woo does meat, but there's also laundry services down there that Woo's in control of what the hell are you doing get your shit washed climbing filthy pjs

yeah that's disgusting stains all over them and shit there's like hooker blood stains everywhere awesome this is the stain of a prostitute i fired last week it's disgusting so anyway i'm gonna go get some memes in this yes unbelievable so this, it was just out of control and wild. And then people wanted to come here, though, and settle, rather than it just being this lawless no man's land with Indian territory. It was like Deadwood, exactly the same as Deadwood in the show. So finally, the U.S. government was pressured into purchasing about 2 000 acres of uh reservation land from indians and they use that to build the town site and they surveyed it in 1889 they sold

lots off at auction the lots ranged from 10 to 50 dollars what a deal for a chunk of of idaho on him hey why not that it's it's gorgeous james it's so so beautiful. It's so bleak. It is. There's nothing there. There's nothing there. It's awesome. You're not close enough to anything to drive there, and I don't count Salt Lake City as anything, by the way. The closest thing is awful. Yeah, that's what I mean.

The closest thing is, we're going to go to Montana for the day. Oh, wow, Montana. Jesus. Hold on. How about Wyoming is dope. Let me take my heart medication. The excitement might kill me if we go to wyoming and maybe run into a person since there's nobody there wyoming is

the most bleak fucking post-apocalyptic landscape i've ever been to in my life one road that goes through it they're like if it snows y'all gotta stay till the spring it's like what the fuck are you talking about no where am i what planet is this yeah is this siberia no put fucking roads through here unless if you are there's no people though you're tired of seeing them that's a great place to get away from that's that's true that's nice yeah it's but it's bad though it's weird people in wyoming were like we're supposed to be inside i haven't even noticed i haven't seen a person in six months anyway. Buffalo with the sniffles a few months ago.

I was a little worried about that, but I just gave him a claret and he went away. That's what you do. So I took a nap and he felt better. Yeah, you know, it goes here. So this was this sale. You know, obviously, people started to get their land and then they started. Buildings had already been going. And now after the land became official and it was an official kind of territory, then it exploded and people came here. Some buildings had already been erected, but then people would purchase the sites that the buildings were on because they were erected.

They'd build buildings on own land, basically. So now people would buy that land, and they'd be like, cool, and they cool and they go visit their land and their shit on it already and people living there raise that obviously yeah so there was a bunch of trouble and the problem was they and then they ended up the courts ended up honoring the squatters rights oh that's fucked up they had built stuff and improved it so that was a grain silo you got this land so that was yeah so that was a problem if you built a store you were allowed to secure a title to its holdings and shit like that so if you actually built something you were there now um this is this is pretty funny here uh this is from idaho genealogy.com and they just basically talk about

idaho's got nothing to no claim to fame it's really boring keep on driving basically that makes sense it says this is from their thing. Quote, probably no state in the Union is less known than Idaho. Wyoming has her Buffalo Bill. Colorado, her Pikes Peak. Nevada, her far-built but ill-famed Reno. Utah, her famous Salt Lake. All known throughout the English-speaking world.

But Idaho, rich in natural resources, fertile and prosperous, has furnished no wild west tragedy like that of custer and wyoming to attract the attention of writers she possesses no natural wonder to rival niagara falls or the grand canyon she has produced no kit carson or daniel boone to fire the adventurous blood of 10 year olds this is written in the 50s obviously but basically vegas hadn't been really going yeah the arena was this place sucks is what they said. Want to come here? Look around. Hey, you can make it famous because nothing famous is going on.

Idaho, where we don't even have a Reno. No, we're envious of Reno. Do you understand that? We look at Reno in wide admiration. Do you get how fucked up the mentality is behind that? We're looking at it going, going shit if only we would have thought god damn it look at them look at them over there and their trailers just moving around god they're so happy and it's so close to us so happy right there i could just tell i know i could see

them what a shithole what a shithole idaho your shithole so uh by the way everywhere's a shithole like we said so calm down now i have reviews of this town right here we go let's start with a couple of two stars these are the good reviews of the batch the two stars there's a mentions of perkins isn't there oh there's no perkins but they really should mention perkins i feel like a perkins would brighten this place up that's how bad this place is about the best about the best they've got there. That's rough because Perkins sucks. No, I don't think there's a Red Lobster in Pocatello. There might be. I doubt it.

Who knows? It's so bad. I'm sure there's an Olive Garden. I'm sure there's an Olive Garden if you want to get terrible food. You don't have to go to Red Lobster to get you. You don't want to go there to get your bad food. You can go to Olive Garden to get your bad food. Here's a two-star review. Quote, the job market is a struggle here and here is spelled h-e-a-r which might be why you're struggling in the market sir or ma'am not sure words are a challenge here yeah there's

a lot of kids that are trying to make it and have to work two jobs just to afford to barely make ends meet meat oh boy yeah i know is it maybe it's speak to text or something but check it you know just check it do a proofread i know that without a degree to make sixteen hundred dollars a month is a great achievement a lot of call centers and student college wage jobs this is why low income is so high in this area it's actually really not we'll talk about that. Here's a two-star. This is very specific. I love when they're just airing their own beef. That's

my favorite. Two-star quote, we would like to participate in recycling more but are unaware of any free recycling areas. Is he going to pay to recycle? Why don't you ask somebody rather than review the town that way? The only option to recycle I know of costs extra, which we cannot afford while in school. And even that recycling option has limitations on which products can be recycled.

So, yeah, Boise State's right by here. So there's a lot of students. Now we go to the one stars. Those are like, you know, it could be better. Here's the one stars. One star. Quote, it smells like dead fish here. And they spelled fish right they spelled here right

uh the town is ugly and the people are mean that's fucking beautiful that's succinct right there literally the only attraction is the name chubbuck it's just fun to say chubbuck try it see they're right they know they they're on the board i think of whoever did that uh one star here's another quote. There is little to no attractions within this railroad junction we call a city. Oh, my. Jesus. That's like the beginning of a fucking Dickens novel.

Yeah. Real Walt Whitman. Really. Taking a picture. Dark. It's just like a real, putting a cloud right over everything. The Simplot games are a large part of local events. Okay.

One star, there is little to no variety in food and drink in Pocatello, Idaho. This is a, back in your theory of no red lobsters. Yeah, it's real bleak.

It's bad. Now, here's another one. One star, this person's from Albuquerque, but they've been there several times, as they'll say. Somebody from Albuquerque.

Is complaining. I had to put that they're from Albuquerque. So they know shit. They do. This person knows shit when they see shit. I trust them. Yeah, that's what I mean.

This is like a chef from Olive Garden going somewhere and seeing a pile of shit. And they go, I recognize that. I serve that a lot. So here we go. The title of the review is Horrible Air Quality. One star. I have spent the night in Chubbuck several times, and there is all capitals a horrible smell in the air each time. I was told there's a fertilizer factory nearby that spews a nasty chemical like smell in the air. I pity the workers for work in that factory and the citizens who live there.

I bet many in that town develop lung issues from breathing that toxic air every day. Think twice before ever considering a move there. I bet many in that town develop lung issues from breathing that toxic air every day. Think twice before ever considering a move there. That's somebody with valley fever from Albuquerque. Wow, Jesus. Yeah, they're from... I can't reiterate enough

that that person is from Albuquerque. We're on a calm, sunny day. There is about 13 feet high of haze. Of haze. It's just dust. That's from the ground. It's not from the air it's not

it's ground haze right the ground is coughing and just putting this brown shit oh no the air quality is fine the ground quality is terrible today though it's just awful you go out you can't even see it's just like the only way to breathe clean air in albuquerque is if you're about 14 feet tall stand on my shoulders jim. Above the cloud. Get a breath. So people in this town, 14,470 people are here. It is up 86% since 1990. So this area as a suburb kind of area

blew up. College open around then? I think it's just more people moving out to kind of away from shit here. We have, the median age is low because there's college kids

and there's a lot of kid kids because there's a lot of Mormons here with big families. So you're going to get a lot of all the kid demographics are high. All the old demographics are low. That's just how it works. More more males than females, which is only in the younger, usually younger demographics. We get that chemical in the cow shit. Maybe they're drawing them.

There's whatever that nasty chemical spew is puts dicks on babies dicks on babies oh no he must inhaled it he got a baby dick he he must inhaled the wrong thing so married population this town is it's usually 50 50 here it's almost 63 so again it's an lds area as we'll talk about and there's that's a lot to do with it single with no children three percent and with that kind of young crowd that's very strange that's yeah that's really on purpose people are getting married uh race of this town 84 white as to be expected 0.1 black it's not them 0.1 jesus christ that's like a where's waldo fucking picture like oh there's one black guy except he's easier to find among these people he'd be very much this is the palest of the pale he's uh interacting with so 1.4 percent asian it's about 10 percent hispanic so that's where

you're going to get the difference in the other people there's not a lot of native americans there no there isn't actually. 0.3%. Interesting. Not much. Below average. Once they sold it, they were like, this fucking sucker's fucked. Let's get the fuck out of here.

Let's go back to Wyoming. Let's get out of here. I hear the Coke. Portland's nice. Let's go there. Fuck this place. This place sucks. Wyoming's teeming with area.

Let's go there. We told them the riches from potatoes. They bought that shit. I don't know. It's like 12 pounds for fucking 18 cents that's they don't fucking know who cares they think they're worth a fortune i called it yukon gold they fucking what can you imagine they were like yeah oh yukon gold we need some of that fucking idiots 20 pounds for a dime call it whatever you want and that's the worst potato on earth. The yellow ones?

It's fucking, nobody wants that. Gross. Nobody wants that shit. The little red ones, that's it. Those are the best, those are good.

They're all good. They're all good, except they could do without the other ones that you just mentioned there. Any other potatoes. Yellow little one? Yeah, I'm spoiled though.

Sarah's magic with potatoes. Oh man, oh man. I'm not bad myself. It's a good vegetable. It is. 69% of the people here are religious. It's normally 50-50, so it's to be expected.

And I'm going to give you a guess of what the dominant religion is. It's LDS. It's LDS. 54%. My word. Mormons are the Catholics and Baptists of the East put together. Wow. That's a lot.

That's a shitload. More than 50% is heavy duty. Of the West. Yeah, that's just a lot shitload. More than 50% is heavy duty. Of the West. Yeah, that's just a lot if you're more than 50% in an area. The politics of this town, pretty conservative. Last election, this is of the county, 31% voted Democrat, 51% voted Republican. The other 18% voted third party as the Mormons were protesting. The unemployment rate here is lower than the national average.

Median household income is like $400 away from it. It's about $57,000, which isn't bad. It's average. The cost of living, though, is pretty normal with everywhere else. $100 is regular average par. Here it's $93, so it's there. Housing is exactly $100, so it's on the point. It's $229500 bucks is the median home

cost here. And if we've convinced you, damn it, the only place for you is Chubbuck, Idaho. You love the smell. And to say that word, we have for you the Chubbuck, Idaho real estate report. your average two-bedroom rental and this seems like the way to go if all the housing costs are average your average two-bedroom rental is 720 bucks a month yeah which is well below the it's about 500 bucks below the average for that those college kids that's yeah i'm sure they're shitholes too yeah i found a two-bedroom two-bathath, 1,271-square-foot little house. It's nice. It's a two-story, too. It's like this tiny little two-story house.

It's weird. $132,000, though. That's your bargain of the day. Then I found a four-bedroom, three-bath, 2,000 square feet. Needs some updating inside. It's not going to have the backsplash you want and the countertops and shit like that, but you could live in there and be okay. $205,000. You can can get by it's got good bones you know it's got some land too i'm sure because

they're usually no it's in a neighborhood it's in i think it's maybe it's less than a half acre i mean it's you know that's maybe a big yard but that's about it then i found a six bedroom three bath 4021 square foot wow it's like brick and stone and has like a workshop big thing with shit in it and a lift and things. Yeah. And $415,000 for that, for your piece of Idaho. You've got to be crushing in Idaho for that. I guess so. I don't know what you've got to be doing.

What could you possibly? You must be high up in the church. I don't know. Oh, boy. I have no idea. You are a bishop of some sort. Something. Now, things to do in this town.

Of course, there's things to do. Chubbuck Days is the one festival here. They say a variety of fun family activities, such as helicopter rides, a car show, carnival games, food, boots, entertainment, and much more. And much more. Much more. Now, this year, it's going to be delayed. So let's talk about what they did last year okay okay on august 9th they had a free family movie in the park they showed the

princess bride which is fucking cool okay it's a great movie i'm surprised it's good choice yeah that's what i'm very surprised at that i did not expect that i expected something way cornier i'm like wait princess bride is awesome that's like subversive a little bit that's good it's actually kind of scandalous for for a mormon area it's a satire like they usually don't religion usually isn't into satire they don't like that they usually like to stay away from that we stay on true stories well yeah because nothing's more serious than religion so satire is satire of their story right is not what they want it's pretty wild yeah they're like i have this story right but you know you bring fred savage into anything and it's it's a party it's gonna be a party yeah fred's well it is and also uh what's his name uh peter falk is in that in the

beginning too what a great fucking movie always oh yeah it's a good fucking movie the whole thing is great it's fucking awesome says come early bring family and friends lawn chairs and blankets kids can play in the splash pad area while you wait for the movie to start it's fucking awesome says come early bring family and friends lawn chairs and blankets kids can play in the splash pad area while you wait for the movie to start it's a great way to spend your evening hours they say here on august 10th there's going to be a variety of events including a free pancake breakfast holy shit a pancake breakfast then a chamber of commerce ribbon cutting and a parade that will proceed from the Pine Ridge Mall all the way to the LDS Church on Independence Avenue.

That's the finish line? Marching to church, everybody. Now we know what the festival's all about. In the end, you all march to Mormon church, literally. Watch the Princess Bride, eat pancakes, whoever the fuck you want, because in the end, you'll end up at church. We're going to convert you. We're going to get you.

Every last one of you. Then there's the... Every last one of you. That's the every last one that's brilliant that's pretty fucking brilliant yeah that's wild and then there's the festival of trees which is exactly what it sounds like shitloads of trees it goes from no late november through december you know it's christmas trees and shit people they have santa and his elves gingerbread displays santa's workshop i don't know if they bring real little people in or what but finish up like an amway meeting i feel like they come into it's a multi-level marketing you have to buy 12 units when you're there that's the problem we go to the festival of trees and march to greenpeace that's what it is so the says the magic continues

with several special events designed to delight all age groups. These include breakfast with Santa, a children's royal tea party, and an afternoon ladies holiday tea. Very important. That's good stuff. The children's royal tea was formerly the princess tea. But they were like, listen, what if a boy wants tea? I can't do this. For children three to eight, wearing their favorite princess or prince attire. One of the two here. I kind of want to go to that. I kind't do this. Children three to eight wearing their favorite princess or prince attire.

One of the two here. I kind of want to go to that. I kind of do. At the party, each child receives crumpets and tea in the form of a light snack. So it's not crumpets, it's probably goldfish, I think. Here's some goldfish and a Teddy Graham. Eat your extra toasty crumpet. These are Cheez-Its, sir.

Why are these cheddary i like them so uh yeah breakfast with santa is geared for children two to eight so there's they'll be delighted with a light breakfast and a special visit from santa claus so uh crime rate in this town what we're interested in damn it uh the property crime is actually surprising but every time the demographic skews low it always crime is always high, I've noticed. Property crime here is almost double. Those shifty Mormons just fucking can't trust them. You can't take just donations?

You're not going to go get your own? You're going to steal right from your house there. You will donate this? You will donate this? Ooh, that's a nice car. You're going to donate it. I really like your TV that you donated. Pretty sweet TV on the donation pile.

Are you sure about that? Oh, too late. So violent crime, murder, rape, robbery, and assault. The Mount Rushmore of crime is a little over. This is low. It's just over half the national average. So it's low. So they'll steal your shit, but they won't kill you there.

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What do you say? Let's do this. Let's talk about a couple of young men first, okay? Let's talk about a guy named Brian Draper to start with. Don's son. Yeah. Don's little guy. Don's little guy. So poor little Brian Draper. He's got the story of Don Draper.

She kind of does, actually. But Brian Lee Draper is his name. He's adopted at birth. So, I mean, he's adopted, but it's not like he was burned with cigarettes until he was seven and then taken away by the state and then somebody took him in or anything. He was adopted at birth. That's great. It's the best way it can be done. Yeah.

But, yeah, you get the connection with the kid right away, all that scientific fucking heartbeat stuff. I don't know. You got to get that non-abandonment. You got to get them right before they feel the abandonment yeah yeah right when they're starting i got you covered here you go kid but yet somehow they still feel the abandon you know what i mean because you still get that scientific bond with there's a thing birth you and then you go to somebody else and there's still an abandonment yeah we're because we're mammals and that's what people don't realize i'm not a doctor but i realize that that's fucked up yeah we're mammals

and we have certain things that we don't understand because we try to intellectualize everything and there's certain things that are instinctual or nature and we don't that doesn't mesh with our feeling of we're people and like smart so nature can't affect us because our brain can override nature that's what people think We can't look at the bright side and be like, clearly that woman or man or both together were unable to help me? Yeah. That's what I mean. But in our minds, we do.

That's the thing. In our minds, we can separate that and we think that we can. For a minute? Oh, yeah. As a baby, that would have been fine. But then in actuality, there's a, like we said, there's something nature-wise there so anyway brian is adopted by his parents here the drapers and uh betty and don and he he uh his real birth parents are unknown we don't know somebody for the best somebody had a kid and couldn't take

care of him obviously here so he uh they move around a lot, the whole deal here. They were in Utah mostly throughout Brian's childhood. And then in 2016, he moves with his family to the Pocatello area and ends up near Chubbuck. So he goes to Pocatello High School. Doesn't fit in great. No. Which is, if you're someone who moves around a lot, you're either good at fitting in or not good at fitting in. What year is this? This was 2000.

We're talking 2006. Okay. This happened. Yeah. So this is... He's 16 years old in 2006. Born in 1989. So, you know, he's not...

This isn't back in the day. You can make friends, but it's hard to be new. Yeah. I figured out the other day. I sat down. It was like two months ago, actually. I sat down and I thought about all the different places I moved when I was a kid. And I made this long list of fucking places.

I went to like four elements. I went to so many schools. And I was thinking about it. And I was like, that had to be something. That affects you. That's had to be something as far as like, well, why you're a comic, too. Because it's like every time you show up, it's like a new crowd starting over. You're like, hey, how's everybody doing today you're that's how you're doing though you're

coming in and you've you've built material what's worked on the other kids in the other schools what got your ass yeah what yeah what got me punched in the face what got me fucking friends in the other schools and you come in with a more polished material just like a comedy routine you built when you're moving around that's what it is so that way it feels natural when you're older i think that's what it is there's several ways you can get to comedian i think that's one of them that was my route it can also uh create a life of like just a turmoil in terms of relationships personally where you're like fuck it i've started over this many times what's it again you know what i mean yeah i'm gonna have nine fucking marriages but whatever

it doesn't matter plus i have this weird urge to fucking move all the time like i have to be told no i can't do it i just want to move all the time after like a year and a half anywhere i'm like okay god let's let's we should just look for a new place like why this is great i wanted to leave here we're sitting in our studio that's i was like yeah we should just find another house why this is perfect no no no no we're gonna leave though i just can't yeah and then you have to be told, no, you're not right in the head. And you just want to move around for some reason. I have to go, oh, yeah, that's right. My bad.

We'll stay. Because otherwise, I will fucking move every year. Great. Let's pack up our shit and go. It's just I'm used to it. That's fascinating. I lived in constantly changing. I lived in three houses as a kid.

Oh, wow. All of them still felt fucking temporary every day i woke up yeah this chick all crumbled today i didn't i went maybe tomorrow i went through a list of like five years old to 12 years old and it was like two dozen places dude it was fucking insane it was a lot maybe it's just because we were so broke that it just felt like mine was i mean we could be out tomorrow they could come and tell us we have that's true too you can be yeah you're you're you never know when you're going to go. Maybe they'll make enough money today and we can stick around.

Hey, that'd be great. Phone work today? Nope. Okay. I guess it's tomorrow we leave. That was fun as a kid. Oh, oh, you have to call me. See, that's how it works.

That's how house phones used to work. That was the first step. That was like a mob boss doing something to you. I can't call you. Yeah, you can how it works. So house phones used to work. That was the first step. That was like a mob boss, like doing something to you. I can't call you. Yeah, you can't call out. You can only call in. It was like somebody putting the muscle to you. Hey, you want to make a phone call?

It's going to cost you. So never mind poor shit here. It's a tough life, man. Brian ends up at Pocatello High School. Doesn't fit in well. He doesn't really know where to fit in because he moves around a bunch too and that doesn't help either and he's we'll talk about it he's also a huge asshole yeah that's what i mean i'm building up anything positive i can say well mitigating we'll say as far as like you know hey this happened and this happened but

in the end sometimes people are just assholes yeah he didn't have a lot of chances but you still have chance to make good decisions he was adopted by two people that raised him and and were treated him well he wasn't yeah like i said he wasn't beaten or maimed or mauled or fucking done anything wrong too he was raised in a loving environment at that point i mean i'm sorry but get your shit out of your ass at that point choices are yours yeah that's what i. We all had shit to happen. That's not great, but fuck, you got to deal with it. You can't be a dick about it.

So anyway, he goes there. He goes to Pocatello High, and he meets a friend, and it's pretty much his only friend here. And he's new, too, so it's tough. And high school is a tough place to go into a new high school because people have formed the bonds already and they don't they don't fucking need you they probably went to school since kindergarten yeah especially this area it's so tight-knit they're just friends for life and yeah you have to be you have to have some sort of special skill or something to be able to crack a group in this type of environment you do you have to be something at a later time yeah you have to be like have weed

you have to have weed you have to be good at fighting you have to be good at sports whatever that group's into or whatever you know you name it hell of a kickflip sir something you need something to attract people to you is it that's the weird thing about high school if you do go to a new high school people will just ignore you yeah unless you are an attractive woman yep a attractive or attractive guy you should say it shouldn't say a girl because if you're very attractive obviously that stands out or you have to be like good at something or you buy your way in by having a bitching car you can have that which is also making you attractive right again so that's attractive again so that's all under that that umbrella if you're ugly like me and got nothing if you're just a regular kid that shows up and

they're like how's it going? And I'm not trying out for any teams or clubs or any of that shit. I'm just going to go to class and go home. No one cares. You're not important to them. And you haven't known these people since they were eight. What do they care about you? It's not a Nickelodeon movie.

The kid in the front of the class is going, hey, new kid, want to hang out? Yeah, never, never. I never had that happen. Nobody was ever nice. No, you have to be like funny and then people would like you. That was my thing. I'd be funny and they'd be like, oh, shit. Yeah, he, never. I never had that happen. Nobody was ever nice. No. You'd have to be like funny, and then people would like you. That was my thing. I'd be funny, and then they'd be like, oh, shit, yeah, he's okay. The new guy's pretty funny.

The one school I moved to, I went in middle school, and I knew a kid named Zach at one school, went to the next school, and he was like, when you get there, go see my friend Kamau. He's in that school, and he's like the most popular dude. You just described jail. Literally, that's what they do with jails they'll be like oh when you're transferring jails yo my buddy this tell him this year i got a kite for this motherfucker into the wrong fucking classroom and the teacher had

come out walk me to my new my real class that's amazing it was amazing that's nice for quite a while wow that's really nice well he's dead now oh well that sucks so it didn't work out in the end it didn't work out so in the end you, you shouldn't make kids be nice to other kids. They'll die. I've got to stop telling stories about kids I knew because it turns out all of them are dead. But you never start out. This is what I love about your stories. You never start out with like, okay, I know that at the end of the story he's dead, so I'm going to tell it in this way.

You just tell it and you go, oh, shit, he's dead. Oh, my God. That's right. You get to the end and you're like, oh, there's a cliff here. The fuck? I didn't. Oh, you guys were going to have to fall get to the end, and you're like, oh, there's a cliff here. The fuck? I didn't... Oh, you guys were going to have to fall in. I thought I was going around this curve, but there's just a cliff.

Story's over. Bye. Everybody jump. I love how you don't think about the ending. I miss you, Kamau. Sorry, Kamau. Sorry you had to be the... The brunt of that story.

The brunt of this whole thing. Good grief. So he meets a friend brian does at this new school and his friend his friend isn't a real popular kid but he's got like a group of friends because like i said when you grow up around a place you get a group even no matter how big of a fucking dork you are you'll find a group of other dorks right and it's whatever weird interest you have there is another group of people that have that interest whether it's the dnd kids or the i used to we had one group all the groups we had one group in school everybody bullied james but no no well they were they tried to be like tough they were like like the the columbine kids they look like

that right but they weren't though no they. I called them a paramilitary organization always. Yeah. I called them Hitler and the A-Team. There was this one kid. We had him, too. And he had his hair like... He fucking... He looked like Hitler.

He wore boots and he wore... But not like Doc's like other kids wore. He wore these weird fucking combat police boots with his pants in his pants in them yeah and a long trench coat and he had these other kids who this is amazing by the way these twin kids who were i think they're pakistani or something their parents are pakistani these identical fucking twins one of them by the way we will cover in small town murder because he slaughtered a family good great that's who these people are okay it was those two and some other fucking dork that used to hang on to him i didn't care but i called called them Hitler and the A-Team.

And I'd have a song and everything in the Hitler and the A-Team, you fucking dorks. Because they'd try to like, they would try to like punk people. And so I was like, fuck you, you fucking, no, not happening, Hitler and the A-Team. So I'd make fun of these kids constantly. And then I think they're going to shoot me one of these days, but for sure, like these kids are fucking nuts. Yeah. You were on the list. And then, no, they'd kill somebody no they killed somebody else so and they're probably on the house down oh i'm sure if they were coming for you next if they had

a list i was fucking on it because i would torment these kids if i saw him do anything stupid i would just be like okay let's get it on motherfuckers you stupid bastards there's flannels tied around wastes and and that was i wish they were flannels tied around waists and and that was i wish they were flannels tied around these kids look like they were always planning like some sort of military strike like they weren't burnouts they weren't like these were legit burnouts yeah no these weren't tons of leather uh trench coats in arizona james 110 degrees leather that's not they weren't wearing leather trench this is ridiculous Like an always sunny and Philly duster. Right.

Like the Matrix. Yeah. Yeah. No, no, no. Ridiculous. These kids are wearing long black trench coats like the Columbine kids, but this was two years before Columbine or so, so we didn't even know that was a thing. Yeah.

But that's exactly who they look like. I remember when they showed the pictures of those kids, I was like, oh my God, it's Hitler and the 18th. Except like not as fucking right as military-ish as those guys were but when you see their their school pictures eric and dylan they were me like i was normal that's what i looked like yeah no hitler in the 18th you'd go what the fuck is wrong with these kids nice haircut hitler those kids were the same age as us yeah well the same age as me yeah pretty much a couple years younger than me we grew up we were graduating the same

year yeah so there you go bananas. So they form their own group. He meets a kid. His name is Torrey Adamchek is his name here. Torrey, T-O-R-E-Y. Torrey Adamchek. So Torrey and Brian become buddies very close, very fast in 2006. They're both really into movies, especially like horror movies and shit like that. They're both super into serial killers also.

They're big true crime fanatics. And yeah, so there's a line there, by the way. It's a thin one. There's a line of being interested in the weird psychology behind murder and being like, fucking serial killers are awesome. Right. There's a line. And I like to think our listeners are on the right side of that line where they're like,

oh, this is really fucked up and I'm interested in how fucked up it is. But that dude's a dick. Yeah. When you use the word like so-and-so's work, you're gross. That's what I'm saying. Shit like that. That's a gross person. So they're both students of Pocatello and they are both interested in films.

They want to make their own films and shit like that. Like they're interested in that sort of thing. So they hang out, they become friends and sort of toward in the spring of 2006 there. Now, Brian has of cries for help. And also writing about killing other people, which is more of a problem, obviously. So he's had a lot of counseling, and he's been what they've called a troubled kid here for a while. It's kind of a little fucked up in the head. And he wrote once on his MySpace there that he was, quote, sick in the head and no one knows it,

he said. Yeah. Your therapist knows. Well, yeah, and a lot of other people found out, too, because when he was in the eighth grade in Utah, he and two other boys were caught planning a school shooting. So, yeah. They were planning it.

Planning it. And this is like 2000 you know two so this is well known of school shootings it's not like this was a thing uh they all denied that they were serious but i imagine that would be what you would do if you were caught planning a school shooting you that would be the go-to go-to out yeah it was it ended up coming out that brian had an unhealthy will so i would say any fascination with those two fucking columbine idiots is unhealthy yeah so he had a he had an unhealthy fascination with these two jackasses and he wrote a detailed account how he was going to go into the school and kill certain classmates that he felt had been dicks

to him that was his thing by the way this episode is not a school shooting so don't worry so he uh he uh we don't do those by the way really ever noticed that 170 episodes no thanks to laugh at yeah man just no thanks a lot of these cases are tough to laugh at but there's something about those i just feel uncomfortable i don't want to do them so anyway he uh he felt these people had obviously taken shots at him or whatever. He was very specific and graphic in his writings of what he wanted to do to people and shit like that. He has fantasies, violent fucking fantasies that he writes down that he what he wants to do. Now, I have to say, there are people who have violent fantasies or have thoughts like this that write them down. And then they make to flush them out. Nineteen Saw movies what i'm saying so that happens also it is creativity if you yeah

because there's some there's some sick fucks out there you go how do people come up with that it's probably i know some writers they're fucking weird some people are weird they're into weird shit and they write about it they just know enough to not do it because they don't want to fucking go to prison they write movies or songs about it i.e rob zombie the guy's amazing and he's so creative and genius but he's not out there fucking killing people exactly and people are into a call if you go to like pendulet's house like i've seen a thing it's all like torture shit and like that's what he thinks is interesting he's not killing anybody he's just it's a bit weird yeah it's just weird so he but this is a little different when you're talking about

teenagers doing it it's a little more odd although i guess it's better to write it down than actually do it but you can't you know obviously it's if someone writes it down they may do it yeah and the thing in the in the terms of like in the in the uh documented cases of the of the horrific events as being like the end point the starting point is feeling slighted and then everything between there gets to writing it down then the next is like a dry run or a rehearsal or thoughts and then you go fucking do it so he's like two steps away from being an awful kid but those are very big it's a very big chasm to go across that you have to be a certain type of person and this there's one thing that makes me think that maybe he was talking shit also was that apparently all the kids said he had a reputation at school for talking about killing

people like i'm gonna kill this guy and i've i've killed people before he's the new kid probably and he's that's his that's his thing okay no one's gonna like me for this i'm not funny i'm not smart i'm not talented i'm not good at sports i'm not dangerous is the way yeah i don't have any drugs and i'm not fucking handsome so maybe i'll be like yeah that's exactly right i'll be the dangerous kid and there's a certain attraction to that yeah for a kid that nobody will fuck with you and that's one of the things maybe i set myself up this way get some sort of identity and in this meantime people think twice before they pick on me and at that age you're looking at chicks too and you're looking at chicks, too. And you're very interested in women.

And maybe that's the route you want to go to get laid. That's the other thing. You want to be the bad boy. Yeah. Because that's a. Chicks dig the fucking hard ass. Sometimes they do. Yeah.

Some women do. And he had a. Nobody took him seriously, also, was the thing. Nobody was like, oh, he's on the edge. And he was 13. And he was just talking shit. So nobody cared. And he, 13. And he was just talking shit. So nobody cared. And he, you know, that was that.

Tori, on the other hand, never had anything like this at all. Adam Cech was very just a normal kid, normal home, loving home, no trouble, didn't write about killing people or anything like that. He never had any depression or behavioral issues, never went to counseling. He was just like a kid that, you know lucky go along to get along lucky kid yeah he didn't have any of these however it goes go on go i don't know get along which one is it i think it's go along so you'll get to get along i think it's get along to go along you gotta get along so that everything moves forward you know it's the opposite just be like passive and be nice. It makes no sense. I don't know. It's stupid.

I think you go along with shit to get along with people. Right. You know what I mean? I don't know. What goes around comes around is stupid, too, because that whatever comes around. Well, obviously, if it went around, it's coming around. Yeah. It seems like there's a circle. The round is right in the word.

It's true. But whatever comes around also is going to go around, because whatever happens to me, that's how I'm going to affect everything else, too. You know what I mean? That's true. Well, and it's going to end up coming back anyway. That's a great point point and everything you do comes back to you so stop being a dick i guess really the whole phrase should be stop being a dick

stop being a dick stop with all of your cliches they should all be stop being a dick it's perfect that's enough so satori's a lucky kid he's have a happy childhood he loves movies and his entire life and since he was little he's been interested in he wants to make movies he wants he's into filmmaking he wants to write movies he wants to make movies he used to write little scripts and make little short movies with his friends since he was 10 years old awesome so yeah when you hear about filmmakers this is how a lot of them get started you'll see famous directors have films that they made with their brother when they were eight where you know they forced the kids to run around the woods and reenact world war ii and shit that's like that's what causes people to be filmmakers but it's also interested in that columbine kids did things they did they

did but that was more they just put a set camera up and talk some stupid shit like they were like playing out scenes and stuff like that that they could say that shit to whoever bullied them is what it was that's what it was that was their like yeah we're gonna fuck you up jocks jesus imagine if they had social media oh boy they would have been assholes uh the bullying would have been way worse yeah oh yeah because they would have been assholes. The bullying would have been way worse. Yeah. Oh, yeah, because they would have known about it. They could do it behind the fucking screen. Hey, this is great. Did you see the video these two dickheads made?

Come here. Jesus, these two fucking idiots. So once Tori and Brian became friends, they started planning to do a movie script together. They wanted to, because Brian was into movies, too. And I think he'd pretty much do whatever i think tory was into at that point because it was a friend so he was like cool you want to write a script great i'll write a script yeah we get along awesome somebody to hang out with so uh that's kind of what happened there and uh august 31st 2006 they've been friends through the spring summer vacation came they've

been hanging out all summer and they try they're talking about making a movie and they're talking about doing all this type of shit they want to make like a you know like a low budget horror movie and you have to think too 2006 was still the time where you people were making like indie horror movies yeah that were like there's still the blair witch model which was like eight years before that but there's still that model of you can make your own movie running around in the woods with your friends and 200 grand not even for fucking 10 grand in 2006 that's when digital was was bigger so you didn't even need film or anything and you can you can make it can be an international success yeah so that's what they're thinking and a lot of people thought that way back then there's so if you look at it

there was as i was making films at that time horror movies, but there was a glut of a million fucking people making horror movies, cheap, low budget shit horror movies. And they would sell them on, you know, the, a 10 pack of DVDs for fucking, you know, $11 of shit horror movies. And, but they were all getting distribution, which was frustrating. We were trying to distribute something else and they're like, well, it's not a horror movie, but it's got art in it. Yeah. Like we don't, we're not interested in comedy. Literally. i don't know how many times i was told we're not interested in comedy yeah but i tried yeah

but it's a good movie though well that doesn't matter we're interested in uh horror right now okay well you're not owen wilson stop it literally comedy was like that comedy doesn't do anything comedy doesn't does it have vince vaughn in it we're not interested because otherwise if will ferrell's in it we'll talk because if you have will ferrell that's a different story so they hang out through the summer august 31st 2006 now uh there's a friend of theirs who's 18 years old named joe lucero gets a call from tori adam check and he's asking this joe lucero if he would go and buy Tori some knives from a pawn shop. It's they're under 18. So he said, would you go in and get me knives from a pawn shop?

We'll give you the cash and you go in and get it. So together, Adam check and this Lucero went and they picked up Draper here and they went to a local pawn shop and got some knives. That's what they were doing. On the way, they stopped at the ATM. Draper withdrew some money. He ended up paying $45 for the knives, and Draper put in $40, and Adam Cech put in $5. And I guess Adam Cech pointed out one knife that he wanted, and Draper got three other knives that he thought were cool. So they ended up with a bunch of knives.

So, I mean, if you're going to horror movie you need that you need some props so that's that's the that's the thought here that's what they're telling people but it turns a little weird i don't know how this happened but sometime over the next three weeks they start hatching really fucking weird plans and they get a video camera and uh they start filming themselves now this is before good like digital camera on your phone so this was you'd have to have an actual it's a little deep a little you know hd cam that's whatever so they have a camera here and they start filming so we can get inside their heads here because we have the transcripts of exactly these these videos so you can kind of figure out what they're doing

yeah this is september 21st 2006 this is inside the car of two douchebags basically does you ever wonder what high school idiots right do this is what they do this is at 8 0 5 p.m on september 21st it's a thursday night and adam check is driving and draper's filming from the passenger seat they're in the car obviously draper opens it up by saying, quote, We're going for a high death count. Adam check says, plus, we're not going to get caught, Brian. If we're going for guns, we're just going to end it. We're just going to grab the guns and get the hell out of there and kill everybody and leave. And then Draper says, We're going to make history.

We're going to make history. And Adam check says, For all you FBI agents out there watching. And they start laughing. So, yeah. So, Draper said, then Adam Cech says, you weren't quick enough to the FBI agents. And Draper says, you weren't quick enough and you weren't smart enough. And we're going over to, and they name some girl from high school. It's redacted because it's somebody who this didn't involve.

We're going over to this girl's house and we're going to and by the way there is a lot of drapers a stutterer apparently awesome and uh like what type of stuttering you know what i mean like not to make fun of people who stutter but not like stand up yeah he's got a real like he says you weren't smart enough they actually in like he says, you weren't smart enough. They actually, in the court transcript, have you weren't smart enough. Jimmy, smart enough. Ouch. Yeah, that's incredible. That stings a little bit.

He continues, we were going to snoop around there and try to see if she's home alone or not. And if she's home alone, splat, she's home alone splat she's dead that's what they say so adam check says don't put your humor into this brian and brian just says i'm not putting any humor into it yep people will die and memories will fade so i'm gonna fucking use every one of his stutters fuck him so uh adam check said memories will fade hmm i wonder what movie you got that from brian and brian says myself and they start laughing and he says that was from myself and adam check says no wonder it was so lame so they're just breaking each other's balls and then draper says okay we're on our way i'm gonna uh i'll tell you i'll let you stay tuned we're almost there okay so then a little few minutes later they're in the car again.

And Draper's filming with the camera light on. And Draper says, we're at this girl's house, whatever her name is. It's clear out there in the pasture. We've already snooped around her house a couple times. And shush, shush, shush. She's not at home. So we're going to go to that church over there. And we're going to call a girl and a guy named cassie and matt they're our our our friends by the way please guys everybody

ladies gentlemen whoever's listening out there anyone uh we are i'm not making fun of anyone who stutters yeah this is ridiculous the the the this fucking asshole deserves it trust me i'm making fun of him not not stuttering please and he why would you want to be on camera when you talk like that why would you want to be the star of this when you've got an issue so uh they snooped around the house a couple times uh she's not at home so we're gonna go to that church over there and we're gonna call a girl and a guy named cassie and matt they're our our friends but we have to make sacrifices so um i feel tonight uh it's the night and i feel really weird and stuff i feel like i want to kill somebody ah i know that's

not normal but what the hell and adam check, I feel we need a break from normal life. Draper says, how bright is this light? And he has the light on Adam. And Adam Cech says, quote, because let's put it this way. Parents, along with their parents, along with their parents, and so on. And then they just say, uh-huh. And then Adam Cech says, taught them about God and Jesus, the whole bullshit. And then he says, I'm sure you guys believe in God as well.

Looking at the camera. I realized when I was in seventh grade along, you don't believe in Santa Claus or vampires or werewolves. They're used as a metaphor. Not let they teach their kids back in the 1800s. Sorry, it's actual dialogue. so sometimes people stop and start i learned this in english class about telling their kids that they can't go outside or a vampire will get you just to make their kids stay and do what they want god is basically and draper says that's what god's for right and adam check says the same way yep as a threat and adam check says trying to get people

to do good or else so-called air quoting you go to hell and then draper says and we're obviously going to hell if it's real but who gives a shit and adam and adam check says and why would you say why would you say it's real and draper says yeah but it's not real it's not real because because it's so blatantly obvious that it's not real but and then adam check says because people believe, because people believe it, their parents teach them it, and it's so hard for them to let it go. They've been taught their whole life. And then Adam Cech says, but fucking the point I'm making is, we are also taught that things like killing people and other things is wrong. The only thing that is wrong about this is because it's breaking a law, and the law is only wrong. And then he trails off and draper says

natural selection dude natural selection that's all i gotta say and adam check said there should be no law against killing people i know it's a wrong thing but and then he says uh hell you'll you restrict somebody from it they're just gonna want it more no no i mean some things but not that it's not a fucking baby Ruth, bro. Well, it's not weed. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, it's not a 16-year-old with weed.

It's murder. Most people don't want to kill people. That's the thing. Most people are uncomfortable with seeing the insides of a human. You restrict people from doing something that doesn't hurt anybody else, and that makes them want it more. That makes it, exactly. It's when it fucking bothers somebody else's life. I don't fucking care to do it.

It bothers. How about ends? Yeah. So. Impacts. Draper agrees and said exactly and goodbye camera. Now, about eight minutes later, they're in the car again and Adam Cech's driving. Draper's filming.

This is the problem with not having your own fucking personality and just being a yes man for your friend. You know what I mean? They're yes men for culture, for pop culture. that's for whatever culture they're into whatever they're into they're just like yes yes yes sometimes you gotta go no dude that's weird 16 is now 16 is a fucked up age because you do get into things that later on you know what the hell was i doing when i was 16 that was stupid but hopefully it's not past a line that you can't take back that's the thing right it should if you kill people you can't take that back that affects

forever whereas most things you do when you're 16 it's like oh i got in a fight at the who cares that's what you get disorderly conduct or something and who gives a shit or you gotta blow me and i shouldn't have yeah i cheated on my girlfriend when I was 17. Well, you know what? That in her and no one's good. That's different. That's another big mistake. That's a horrible one. That's that's on par with murder there.

That's close. It's again, your whole life. We're making one. Taking or making. It's bad. That's bad. Anything outside of taking or making a life can be fixed when you're 16. So it's really shouldn't fucking matter.

But you look for things to latch on to because you want a personality you're 16 you haven't done anything you have no life experience you wake up you go to school if you're 16 and listening listen up because this is true and you'll go oh fuck yeah you wake up you go to school you come home maybe you work two days a week it's a part-time thing you do some homework maybe hang out with your friends and then you do it all over again that's not life experience you're not interesting yeah you're not interesting yet sorry you will be someday give it time and maybe some of you are who knows but a lot of you most of you aren't because you don't have the stress of all this other shit that life makes that kind

of makes your personality diamonds are formed by pressure you know what i'm saying so that's the same thing with people you gotta have pressure diamond people are either created or crushed by pressure and that's the truth teenagers just haven't had that pressure yet so when you're 16 you're looking for something to latch on to to be something and otherwise you have the pressure right now and give it time you're about to be a diamond that's the other thing and if you take or, make a life, then that's where the pressure starts. That's the pressure. Hang in there. They were at somebody's house.

Obviously, they drove up to an unnamed girl's house and looked around and said they were going to kill her. And now they're back in the car seven minutes later. And they say, quote, Draper says, my friend's too pussy to investigate. Turn here. And Adam Cech says, too smart, you mean? And Draper says, why aren too pussy to investigate turn here and adam check says too smart you mean and draper says why aren't you turning there dude and adam check says because it's faster this way now they're arguing about fucking directions through the neighborhood draper says now we're gonna go over to cassie and matt's house if they're home alone we're gonna

and adam check says it's cassie's house matt is there so he seems to be the smart one out of the group i'm gonna say tori just from the way they're talking yeah draper's the moron yeah draper's the fucking hey whatever and adam checks the guy who kind of keeps them together yeah he he's the only reason they can get to destinations gathers them back up yeah so draper says matt is there. Sorry. We're going to go on. Knock on the door. We'll see who's there. We'll we'll we'll see. We'll see. See.

See. Jesus Christ. Drapery fucking stressed out. Good Lord. He spun out of control there. If their parents are home or not, if they're home alone, we will leave our way and then we will come back in about 10 minutes. We'll sneak through the door because the chances are they'll probably be in Cassie's room.

So we'll sneak in the front door. We'll make a we'll make a noise outside. And Adam Chex says, then Matt will come out to investigate. And Draper says, we'll kill him and we'll scare the shit out of Cassie. OK. And Adam Chex says, sounds like fun. And then Draper says, well, stay tuned. OK, that's that's. Wow, that's what they're doing.

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Wow. So Draper says, quote, we'll let you, we'll find out if she has friends over. If she's going to be alone in a big dark house out in the middle of nowhere, how perfect can you get? I mean, like, holy shit, dude. You're a predator. Holy shit, all right. That's what predators do. Oh, someone's alone.

And rather than normal, people are like, oh, I hope they're safe. I hope they're protected in there. How perfect. They're like, great, sweet. I bet she's scared, too. This is going to be easy. Fuck. Adam Cech says, now probably the grossest line of all of this.

He says, quote, I'm horny just thinking about it. Oh, boy. Oh, boy. So in the last three minutes of video, he has really shown what kind of guy he is. he has really shown his true character he's really shown what kind of guy he is so remember that later on when he's saying what a nice kid he is because he didn't see the irony and being mad at someone for having their bright side and the inconsiderateness and that did you just say murder jesus you're lucky my dick's put away he said i am a horny it's so hard not even like i'm excited he said i'm literally put it in a sexual passage. I'm happy and excited and directing it all through my penis.

I'd really love to fuck this emotion right now. Oh, my God. You know what? Backseat, Draper. Let's do this. He probably would have, too. So Draper says, hell, yeah, we're so going to fucking kill her and her friends, and we're going to keep moving on. I heard some news about, and this was the girl they talked talked about earlier whose house they went around and didn't do anything uh she's going to be home

alone from six to seven so we might kill her and drive over to cassie's thing and scare the shit out of them and then kill them one by fucking one hell yeah so they're planning a spree here and adam check says why one by one why can't it be a slaughterhouse and draper says two by two and three by three because we've got to keep it classy and adam check says keep it classy so now they're throwing in fucking writing songs they're throwing out anchor man's new yeah think about this not new but within the last couple years it's fresh in their minds like that's what they're they're fuck these two assholes horrible man i'd so okay i'm not into bullying i've always been the type where i don't i i've

i'm bigger i've always been pretty big yeah so i've always been like i can tell bullies to fuck off from other people that they're picking on and they tend to listen so that's always helped i would love to bully these two fucking kids i would love to... I'd love to smack the shit out of both of them. If there's anybody that deserves it... Oh, they deserve a good bullying, don't they? I want to make fun of them. They need a wedgie, a swirly, a cigarette flicked out of here and there. Yeah, I want to break down their mental faculties, really, by calling them names.

I want to talk about Brian's adopted life. I want to talk about why his parents didn't want him, because they could tell he was a piece of shit. I want all of these things. I really want to put out there to break them before you could talk. They knew your fucking tongue wasn't going to work. That's right. They could tell. This one's got a lazy.

Look at you. Get him out of here. So keep it classy. Keep it classy. So Draper says, so, yeah, it's going to be extra fun. And Adam Cech says, you're evil and laughs. And Draper says, yes, I am.'s going to be extra fun. And Adam Cech says, you're evil and laughs. And Draper says, yes, I am. So are you, dude.

Evil, evil. And I think that he meant to say that twice. That wasn't a. Evil. Probably a pause. Probably a pause. Evil, evil. Adam Cech said, no, evil is an expression of God.

That was another test you failed. Jesus. So who does he think he's Charles Manson now? He's. Okay. Yeah. This is what I mean. This is what's on video. you don't say that word around me it's sacrilege it's i mean come on and draper says evil is not an expression of god and adam check says yes it is i so want them to pull over and beat the shit out of each other would it be great if one just gets knocked out

and then the other one loses interest because that would be great never mind to beat my kids hey that girl's cute maybe i'll do that you know what have you ever done baseball i'm gonna start playing baseball looks like always look like fun i never got into it i'm gonna start getting into it now it's punched in the face and he's like you know i can talk fine wow hey i'm not even frustrated look at that i don't have any rage anymore she sells seashells by the seashore wonderful look at me she sells seashells by the seashore she sells seashells by the seashore this is perfect i'm fucking good now la la la la you're on your own fucker you're on your own dickhead haha nothing can stop me now she sells seashells by the seashore

she sells potatoes down by the pocatello pole that's the idaho version so that's bullshit and you know it he says uh draper says to him that's bullshit and you know it and adam check says the uh evil of origin is a follower whoa evil of origin is a follower of fucking satan adam check says so draper says there is no satan adam check says is satan real then shut up what are we doing this is the dumbest philosophical conversation ever had by two 16 year olds why is this kid still filming why does he go this is a waste this is a way we suck dude it's a problem with digital they're like oh you can just erase it with tape people be like we're wasting tape

assholes like four dollars for this fucking thing like if this was the 80s and you had, like, a full-size VHS, it was like nine bucks for this fucking tape. We have, what, 11 minutes of battery time? Let's fucking do this. And it's in a suitcase? Seven minutes of us arguing? Jesus Christ. What the fuck are we doing about Satan? So then shut up.

So Draper says, then how are we supposed to express ourselves? And Adam Cech says, good and bad, not evil, whatever. So Draper says, we're bad.'re bad and adam check says we are bad and draper says that sounds so shitty adam checks adam check then says we're evil that sounds even shittier they're looking for title who cares label of this yeah well i want to be evil well you said bad though and bad's worse than evil your sex is shit sex is shit um dildos i think would be a good way to put it so draper then says hey we're not okay then we are sick psychopaths who get their pleasure off killing other people they haven't killed anybody yet by the way this is what i mean they're you don't know what pleasure you're going to derive

from this yeah so adam then says that sounds good baby so what is he an agent now he's turning into somebody's fucking agent what's going on now jazz musician that sounds good, baby. So what is he, an agent now? He's turning into somebody's fucking agent? What's going on now? Jazz musician. That sounds good, baby. Pass over that. Pass over that reefer, will you? Pass over that reefer this way.

Yeah, there we go. Ooh, baby. Now I'll go find me a white girl. That's what he sounded like. He's like some kind of fucking stereotype of a 30s reefer madness thing. Ooh, look at that now. Fucking stupid. Johnny on the base bones give me a line yeah give me a line there we go away ever watch reefer madness i don't know whether

it's more racist or stupid that's the fucking i don't know that's where i got that from because they were i mean racism is pretty stupid no no no but like it's like i meant stupid of other things or just separate category racist stupid because it's like whoa it's fucking crazy so anyway yeah that's i was making fun of somebody else there we go okay so that sounds good baby then draper says we're gonna go down in history we're gonna be just like scream except real life terms so they have all of this pop culture shit. Their whole conversation is pop culture bullshit. It's all reflections. They have no personalities.

They have no souls. They have reflections of shit they've seen, and they're just making it their own. It's so much so that he even asked him, what movie is that from? That's what I mean. They're just movie quote spitters. That's all they do. They're like walking MySpace walls. Right.

You know what I mean? Where that was just like, here's a bunch of shit people like you know look at that i like that music i'm a shit in the background they are the fat yeah exactly which if you don't know is not a derogatory state you have to be specific yeah yeah people who've done ig handle of a guy that just rips off other it was a big deal he stole comedians he stole comedians jokes and put them out on his own and had a big thing. A terrible human being. Yeah. And so we're not calling him a fat.

His handle is fat Jew. That's why. I think it's fat Jewish. I think that's what it is. But he calls himself fat Jew, fat Jew, fat Jew all the time. So that's why. It's dumb. It's not.

It's stupidity. Yeah. That's the point. So anyway, Jesus Christ. We've made two references that are terribly fucking racist that weren't racist that were referencing other things that we thought were stupidly racist. We had to explain that. That we had to explain.

So let's no more Andrew Jackson for a minute, and let's just try to fucking get through the story here. We're both out of our minds today. So anyway, yeah, we're going to go down in history. We're going to be just like The Scream, except real life turn, and Adam Cech. That sounds good, baby. That sounds good, baby, yeah.

And then Draper says, we're going to be murderers with no shit. That's what you're talking about. Then he says, like, let's see, Ted Bundy, the Hillside Strangler.

No, you're not going to be like Ted Bundy. I bet you anything you won't escape from jail, stupid. I'll bet you won't get past maybe a couple. Yeah, they're all together. Possibly.

I don't see you going multi-state. Well, that's the other thing, too. Both of those people were caught. So I don't see you going multi-state well that's the other thing too both of those people were caught so i don't think that's not the best thing to idolize as we came up with somebody else who was a few weeks ago somebody was idolizing a murderer who was caught and i'm like hey dummy you want to be the zodiac which this comes up next adam check says no and draper says the zodiac killer like that's the smart answer and Draper says the Zodiac Killer. Like, that's the smart answer. And Adam Cech says those people were amateurs compared to what we are going to be. We're going to be more of higher sources of education, he said.

So they're going to be able to study us and be like, you know, this is how you'd be a serial killer, basically. So then Draper says Gain and Adam Cech says Gain. So apparently Ed G gain is their favorite. Okay. Bundy was an amateur compared to add gain. Apparently. So then I think Bundy killed a way fucking and the way he did it was way more vicious vicious. And also he escaped from jails and Bundy was a scam scam as much as it comes.

So and Draper then says, well, well, let's say we're that sick and that twisted. And Adam Cech says, oh, you know what Ed Gaines' words were? Dude, this is what I mean. They're just talking about bullshit. Draper says, what? Adam Cech said, he saw a girl walking down the street, right? Two questions came to his head. Hmm, could I take her out and have a nice time with her?

And then Draper says, and then kill her, skin her her skin her alive and adam check says charm the pants off her or i wonder uh what her head would look like on a stick those can i get her to fuck me or should i or do i feel like killing her basically so draper says holy shit and laughs he thinks that's hilarious no he thinks it's hilarious, though. And Adam Cech says, it's creepy, huh? And Draper says, kick ass. And then they laugh together. I can't believe I used to say that as a phrase. Kick ass. And then they laugh together. Yeah, kick ass.

And they laugh in agreement. And Draper says, murder is power. Power is freedom. Goodbye. He got that from his father, Don Draper. That was an ad slogan. So Adam Cech says, um, and then the camera goes off. Now, no more videotaping that night.

Next videotape starts Friday, September 22nd, the next morning at school. They take the camera to school. Draper's walking down the school hallway, and he talks to someone who appears to be walking with him. He then walks by lockers where Cassie is at her locker, Cassie Stoddard, who he brought up earlier. And he says, quote, Hey, look, it's Cassie. Hello, Cassie. And Cassie says, hello.

And Draper laughs and says, I'm going to get you on tape. OK, say hi, please. And Cassie says, hi. So that's that's Cassie Jo Stoddard. She's 16 years old. She's also a junior. And she's friends with Adam Cech and been friends with him for a while. Her boyfriend, Matt, and Adam Cech hang out as well.

They're kind of part of the same little group. Got it. Sort of. I feel like they'd sit at the same lunch table. Put it that way. The same table in the cafeteria. And if they did sit, they wouldn't be like, what the fuck are you doing here? Exactly.

Yeah. They're all kind of hang out together. And Draper knows them through being friends with Adam Cech. So whatever. Apparently, Draper liked Cassie when he first met her as well. But she has a boyfriend already. And so they just were friends. That's how that worked.

And they're all juniors in high school here. So then they cut to a little later. That was at 828 in the morning. Then at 1210 p.m., they're sitting at a table with the camera facing them. Draper says, all right, cool. And Adam is looking down and writing in a notebook. And Adam says, I was planning to kill him. And Draper says, September 22nd, 2006, we're skipping our fourth hour class.

We're writing our plan right now for tonight. It's going to be cool. And Adam Chek said, we and which is yeah he's right i'm doing yeah and then he says we tory and brian and then he writes some shit we're making our death list right now for when for actually tonight and draper says she's listening and they're like whispering to each other and they're like they're looking at somebody watching them draper says she's still watching us and then they're mumbling and draper says loudly number two is what try and act like they're doing a schoolwork and uh so there's a long gap here

where they're whispering back and forth about trying to make themselves seem like hey blend in you know what i mean so then they write again and uh draper says yeah if you're watching this we're probably deceased is what he said like i guess they're going to keep this forever until they get somebody stumbles upon it taken down by the swat team and keep it for posterity when it's pulled out of the time capsule in 2148 you're going to be impressed with us let me tell you uh so draper says hopefully this will go smoothly and we can get our first kill done and then keep going right and then adam check says for you future serial killers watching this tape and then they laugh together adam check says i don't know what to say uh just then he says good luck with that and draper says good luck and adam check says

hopefully you don't have like eight nine failures like we have apparently they've been going to people's houses and they're nobody's ever home alone because you know they going to teenagers' houses where they live with their parents and siblings and shit. And there's a lot of other people there. Teenagers don't tend to just have the house to themselves a lot. They live in families usually. The American teenager most often found amongst the family of some kind. It's natural habitat. It's in their natural habitat.

Possibly next to their parents parents room sharing a wall. So Draper says, yeah, we've probably tried 10 times, but they've never been home alone. So and Adam check says, or when they have their parents would show up saving their lives. Apparently, Draper says, as long as you're patient, you know, and we were patient and now we're getting paid off because our victims home alone. So we got our plan all worked out now. I'm sorry. I'm sorry, Cassie's family, but she had to be the one. We have to stick with the plan and she's perfect, so she's

going to die. And then they all laugh. They're not all. They're both laughing. Yeah. So September 22nd, 2006, this night, Cassie is house-sitting. And Cassie, by the the way everybody likes Cassie she's just a every nobody has a bad word to say about Cassie she's a nice girl

in a stranger's house yeah it's her aunt and uncle okay her aunt and uncle leave she but she it's still not like where she lives she went over out to their house to house sit she's a nice kid everybody likes her like I said she does well in school she's not a jerk nobody says she's you know she doesn't spit on the floor and blow smoke in your face or anything like that.

She's a nice kid, basically. So on this night, Cassie's house-sitting, it's for her aunt and uncle. This is Allison and Frank Contreras. It's at their house here, and it's kind of further out in the middle of nowhere than they live normally. That night, she has her boyfriend with her there, Matt Beckham. He's there as well. And like I said, Matt's friends with Adam check and Draper, and they're all kind of one big group.

Now, Beckham said later on that he and Cassie had invited Adam check out to hang out that night, so invited him to hang out. And Adam check and Draper arrived there about seven o'clock that night. They got to the house to hang out and it's just the four of them hanging out in this house and they got a tour of the home they watched some of kill bill volume two a little bit and then they took off about 10 o'clock and that sort of thing i guess draper said that he had something he needed to do or maybe they would go to the movies they didn't know what they were going to do, but they're going to take off now. Friday night in Chubbuck.

The world is your oyster. Southeast Idaho. Those kids are on their own, really. Once they're 16 and they can drive. Dude, there's kids smash drunk. Oh, I bet. Going 90 down a back road. It's crazy.

It's lawless still. Remind me to go to Idaho sometime soon. That sounds wonderful i can't wait to get plowed into by a drunken teenager yay my buddy's brother was like 22 smashed drunk by the wheel of a lifted ass chevy truck 90 miles an hour down a dirt road good lord what are you doing it sounds like rural pennsylvania it's basically the same kind of the same thing without the trees this is pennsylvania of the west without the trees idaho the pennsylvania of the west so they get a tour of the home like i said they watch that they end up taking off uh they

may they take off and uh what they do is they said after they left they began attempting to break into cars in the neighborhood adam check and dra. They're just assholes. They do that. And over the course of this, they made a couple calls. They had talked back and forth to Beckham a little bit, Matt Beckham, Cassie's boyfriend, and that sort of thing. Now, they find out after they leave, we'll talk about this for a second. They were down there. They're breaking into cars.

They talked to Beckham a couple times on the phone. And then about 20 minutes after they left Adam Check and draper the power goes out at the at the house uh power's out i don't know if that's normal in idaho i'm not sure but apparently there wasn't a big deal oh power's out oh well it'll come back on so at that time because it's out matt beckham called his mom to ask if he could stay over for the night because he said there's no power i don't want to leave her here in the dark i feel bad you know plus i'll get to bang my girlfriend which is also you know or at least i'll get a chance at it you know what i mean maybe if fingers crossed right so take our clothes off and make out who knows who knows but you're 16 that sounds pretty damn that's awesome that sounds like a good night is what i'm getting at so uh you know they're

doing this and uh the mother said no though you're not allowed to stay over there you got to come home so he ends up going home uh after speaking with his mother he had beckham spoke with adam check and told him that he's going to be going home for the night and yeah mom won't let me stay here i was going to stay over but she won't let me and uh yeah so then beckham said that while they were on the phone adam check was speaking in a whisper and he said he was at the movies at the time so he's like okay cool yeah all right cool yeah i'm at the movies so he's talking on the phone in the movies so a little while after that matt beckham leaves cassie uh cassie's aunt and uncle's house and takes off so this is horrible

enjoy the dark ass house bye mom says i gotta go so the next says you're on your own you're on your own so that night goes by and the next day it's a saturday matt beckham and tory adam check spend the whole day together hanging out so they hang out all day beckham tries repeatedly to call cassie but she won't answer the phone won't text her back so he doesn't know if he doesn't understand this i if you're going through that it's like is she mad at me because i had to leave but he doesn't think so he's like i left on good terms i don't get why she's not answering me what the fuck's going on here why is cassie not answering me i shouldn't have told she's on her own shit i shouldn't have said enjoy the dark

christ man you can find well no that plugs in i was gonna say you can finally get some use out of that light bright you got when you were a kid but those plug in yeah so september 24th 2006 is sunday it's the 23rd is saturday adam check hangs out all day with beckham the 24th cassie joe's uh cassie stoddard's aunt and uncle come home to their house because they were house sitting they come home and uh what they find is horrific they find cassie's body in there and it's very very bloody and they call the police and the uh police reveal here that they do a whole crime scene and everything. Obviously, investigation. They find that she's been stabbed approximately 30 times.

And I think any is too much, really. I think for any for any nice 16 year old girl, I think any amount of stabbing is probably a bit excessive. But 30 definitely way too much. Twelve of the wounds were considered potentially fatal so there was 12 real you know nasty ones and uh a second examination of her body concluded that two different knives have been used in the attack one knife had a serrated blade and they said that inflicted 11 of the 12 potentially fatal wounds. Wow. So whoever had the serrated blade was going to work with that shit.

And then a second single-bladed non-serrated knife inflicted one potentially fatal wound, and all the rest were non-fatal. So that person's heart wasn't in it, apparently, as much as the person who was going for organs. So there's a police investigation. Obviously, this is a big, giant deal. This is a nice 16-year-old girl found dead in a rural neighborhood. Right. Not normal.

Doesn't happen all the time. Not even at her house. That's what I mean. So if you knew, if you were looking for her. Exactly. And it's very personal. Very personal. Yeah, 30 stab wounds. You knew where she was at.

And there's no sexual assault here or anything like that. Oh, Jesus. So that's no sexual assault. Yeah, but does that make it worse? Do you know what I mean? I would want the person to not be tortured before they're murdered. So, yeah. I would say, yeah.

I mean, like, in terms of the personal attack, does it make it worse that they weren weren't even in this for like a sexual purpose do you know what i mean i don't know i don't know if that makes them i don't know if it's worse i don't know if worse or better are words that you can really throw around in there or if it's just more horrific levels of horror it certainly does something to the level of brutality yeah it's like a it's something you want my point is you want literally nothing from this person. Yeah. Makes it feel to me in my heart much more personal. See, it feels sleazier when it's like I'm going to rape this person and then I'm going to kill them so they don't tell on me for doing it. Like, that seems really disgusting. Yeah.

But although this is just as bad. So this is this is pointless. There isn't even anything. So police officers contact draper and adam check after speaking with matt beckham because they're like well who's been around and he said well they came over and hung out but that was that so draper is the first to be interviewed it's not recorded and uh he wasn't in custody at that point they just brought him in because he saw her so they were like hey did you talk to anybody did you know anybody that said they were going to see her

teenage shit basically draper said that he and adam they were going to see her? Teenage shit, basically. Draper said that he and Adam Cech had gone to see a movie, and it was too late to see the movie they wanted to see, so they ended up seeing a different movie that night because they hung out there for a while. But they ended up seeing the movie Pulse, they said. I don't remember that one. 2006 American horror film written by Wes Craven and Ray Wright and directed by Jim Sunzero. It's a remake of a Japanese film and it stars Kristen Bell. And they said they watched that. They said, OK, what's it about?

And he went, I have no idea. Yeah. You saw it, what, two days ago and you don't know what the fuck it's about? And he's like, well, I don't know anything about it. Yeah. Zoning. You know how it is? Right. You get to zoning.

it yeah i'm zoning you know how it is right you get to zoning so he uh uh he couldn't explain the plot but he wrote out a description of what he said occurred that evening with minus the plot of the film and he he said we drove around we went to their house watched a little kill bill got in the car went to the movie saw pulse went home that was that so then they bring in adam check and they talk to him now they do this they don't bring him in they go to they send two detectives to his home and they interview him there adam check's father was present for the interview and the interview was the first of two that they that they did with adam check the first interview here adam check informs them that he and draper had gone to the place uh for a party so we went to that house for

a party at about 8 30 and he said that it became clear that there was no party going on it was just them hanging out so we said fuck it let's go see a movie in pocatello so they asked adam check about the movie which movie he's seen which movie he had seen and he was unable to describe what the movie was about either so neither of them know what movie they don't know anything about the movie they sat through for an hour and a half nothing you're doing a great job wes craven good job there yeah wes craven such an intriguing writer that you two people can watch his whole film and go i have no idea what just happened none nothing and no clue your acting was fantastic. Beats me.

Kristen Bell. Shit. I mean, Kristen Bell was something else. Very memorable. Very memorable. I'm going to see her in a Walmart commercial someday. I can see it in my brain. How about a British guy really wants to fuck her one day? Oh, yeah.

So Adam Cech, he tells detectives that following the movie, he and Draper went to spend the night at his house. That was that. Nothing else. We didn't see shit. So then they go back to Draper for a second interview. Draper's parents are present, but they didn't go into the interview room. This is at the police station.

Draper is right, as Miranda writes, before this interview begins, because now he's a suspect. Because they've talked to everybody, and they're the only two that were there. They're pretty sure Matt Beckham didn't do it because he came home, his mother saw him at a certain time, he's got no blood on him, anything like that. It's unlikely that it's Matt Beckham even though he's the boyfriend. So yeah, Draper, still he maintains

that he and Adam Cech went to the movie, but after one of the officers told him that he didn't believe they went to the movies, this is all it takes, I don't believe you, Draper said, okay, then we didn't. We don't believe you went to the movies, you know, based on your not even knowing the plot. And he went, OK, yeah, you're right. My bad.

Actually, probably went, OK, OK. Sorry. Fuck this kid. So, yeah, he said, all right, fine, fine, fine. We didn't do that. We had, quote, gone through cars and then said they went to a movie to hide the fact that they were breaking into cars. That's what they were trying to do, burglarize cars. So when he was told that car burglary story was not convincing, he said, nope, it's the truth, I swear. That's what we did.

I don't know what to tell you. If you want to arrest me for anything, it's cars breaking into. I stole a whole bunch of coins and, you know. And it'd take lives, but it'd take a cassette tape. I took some CDs. You like Celine Dion? Back then, I mean, they didn't have shit for CDs. You can have them, but.

You had a couple of Nickelbacks. You know. They're all yours. All yours, pal. You can have all of these. Matter of fact, here's a couple bucks for taking them off my hands. So after the interview, Draper just went home with his parents. Now, after the second interview, a detective went to Draper's house and with the consent of his parents, searched his bedroom for anything they could find.

Like they're looking for gloves or things like that. Basically, you know, it's an OJ search. Murder shit. Yeah, a little murder things. Murder stuff. You know how that works. You know when you find things that are murdery. Right.

This whole bag's a little murdery, right? There's stuff in here that just all goes together in a bad way. Detective, I got a bag here of things. What do you want me to, how should I label this? Oh, you gotta just label that one murdery. Murdery shit. Murdery shit. Come on there.

Just put it on there. All sorts of it. Right. M-I-S-C, murder.c murder yeah there you go all right good good job so they're looking for shit like that they find in his room a a sheath for a knife so that you know the case that you put a knife into his knife sans knife yeah uh which he said belonged to his friend and that he did not know where the knife was but maybe my friend has it i don't know i've had this sheath for a while and i think it got separated from the knife my friend has the knife i don't know

so they take the sheath with them and they they leave uh now the third interview comes the next day wednesday september 27th so this is every day now draper now is again advised of his miranda rights and he consents to speak again because he's innocent. So innocent. His parents were present for this interview. And at this interview, he admitted that he and Adam Cech unlocked a door at Cassie

Joe's aunt and uncle's residence so they could return to scare Cassie and Beckham. That was their plan. Cassie and Matt. Bad sentence. Yeah yeah he's like we just were gonna scare him like hey boo you know hey isn't this fun uh he also stated that they wore masks black clothing and gloves and carried knives with them which does not sound like you're trying to scare your friends no you could just wear what you're wearing and if they

don't know you're in the house and you pop up and you go boo then they're fucking scared that's it yeah it's dark in there if you come in masks black clothing gloves and have knives with you then they'll probably try to kill you to defend themselves or you know or run or run or shoot you if they have a gun or attack you in some way it's idaho yeah i see that guy in my house i'm attacking him you know what i mean period he's gonna attack me so i'm getting him first right fuck that i'm going there's guns in my house i'm going for your nose and your nutsack have fun motherfucker so he uh he stated here that that's what they did he then said that after beckham left they waited for matt to leave after matt after they left they went upstairs uh to scare cassie that's what they were

gonna do he said they got up there and Adam check stabbed Cassie. He says Draper says he thought it was a joke. He thought that it was just a joke to scare him. Like he was like pretending to do it. Like they had this worked out to scare. Like it was now a prank on Draper. He said only later did he realize that Cassie was actually being stabbed. Oh my, this is real.

He said he denied that he ever touched or stabbed her at all he was just in shock that this was going on he also stated here that he had talked to adam check earlier in the day and that adam check had threatened to kill him if he told the cops this story he's like i talked to adam check today i talked to tori today and a boy named tori threatened my life yeah and i'm scared of him that's what he said and they went yeah we don't buy that right number one because you seem like the asshole and number two his name is tory let's be honest here i'm not scared of him already we're not scared of him not a lot of mma champions named tory for some reason i don't know why

i don't know why that is i can only think think of Torrey Smith. Was he a football player? Torrey Holt. The wide receiver? Yeah. He's the only one I can think of. He was going bald when he was 22, that guy. So that's weird. Torrey Pines, the golf course? I guess.

Full of soft fucking people? The Tories, the British Conservative political party? Torrey Amos? Torrey Amos? Yeah, a lot of Torrey women. There's a ton of Tories. This is T-O-R-E-Y is how he spells it. That's like Tori Pines, right? It's very weird.

I think it's two R's. I don't know. Either way. It doesn't matter. It's weird. It's a soft name. So he's saying, I was threatened by Tori, and if I had to tell you this, so I'm sorry I had to do it, though.

So basically, the two detectives, they tell Draper they believe there's more to the story. Yeah. More to the story here they're like are you they say quote there's they're videotaping this quote are you sure you didn't stab stoddard this is detective thomas s draper in the video he says quote i know you didn't want to stab her but does tory at any time make you stab her and about two minutes of similar questioning and all this type of shit and there's a lot of hemming and hawing. Sure. Finally, Draper says yes.

And he admitted that he stabbed Stoddard as well. And he tells the detectives he stabbed her three or four times because Adam Cech made him. He said, quote, Adam Cech came over and says, make sure she's dead. You need to stab her. And made him do it after, you know, he had already stabbed him. She's clearly dead and stabbing like crazy then he says tell you what to show that i'm serious here guys i'm gonna show you where we ditched all of the murdery stuff oh boy what do you say that i got a miscellaneous ditch

full of miscellaneous shit well they do too and they go uh they go with detectives the draper goes with the detectives and with his father let his father come too you imagine the whole time he's so mad i can't imagine my father i can't imagine it on the way the shit he would be saying to me the fuck did you do son of a fuck i can't fucking believe you fucking embarrass him he'd be backhanding me at every fucking turn it would be and he'd be right yeah I'm not saying my father wasn't abusive. Pointing to a church, some officers to look. He'd be so disgusted with me that he would just fucking want to kill me himself.

Make them turn their heads while he pummels you. You son of a bitch bastard. Now, my mom, on the other hand, would be the opposite. She would be trying to tell the cops why they're wrong, and that even if I did kill her, I'm sure that she attacked me first. There was a reason. me first there was a reason sure there was a reason he disarmed her he's a nice young man he took the knife from her that's what it would be seriously and my grandmother my grandmother go no i'm sure she had sorry

had plenty of reason it's he's a nice boy that's what she'd say it's okay i'll take him home i teach a lesson yeah that's italian women they're down for you though they're down for it italian men watch the fuck out well they're like they're being realistic about you little fucking asshole who are you getting caught doing shit like this why'd you get caught why'd you get caught my dad actually told me that when i was a kid too not about murder but about things he's like i'm not mad at kids do things he goes don't fucking get caught that's what i get mad at don't you get caught then i'm mad at you okay get away with things like i got in a fight in school and he was only mad because i got caught yeah when i was 16 he's like can't go around the fucking corner you gotta show off that's what he told me you gotta show off you

gotta punch this kid in front of people can't take him around the corner and kick the shit out of him ah your dad's the best he is he was he was right though i went you know what good point i couldn't fucking i couldn't argue with him hold my anger for just a second longer well i made it a spectacle that was my i was a show-off that's what it was i wanted everyone to see and that's stupid i shouldn't have done that i should have been like hey come here let me talk to you for a minute and then punched him in the fucking throat and left him there that would have been the smart move the worst dad advice ever but it's awesome it's great advice that's what italian fathers give you advice on how to get away with violence it's wonderful it's life lesson it is it's it's translatable life that will actually help you like a good dad it goes you

don't fucking don't do that what's wrong with you my dad yeah it's like get caught listen i look like an asshole i know reality here all right the reality is you're gonna get in fights once in a while you're a fucking teenager it happens so when you do right try not to get caught for it don't give me a phone call i don't want a phone call from the school i called him recently because he's dealing with some shit and that's what it was he goes uh he goes uh i can't believe this is happening you know to somebody else i don't know she's so nice they're just a nice person and he goes to me i expect it i'm an asshole yeah that's my father he goes i deserve that yeah do you know do you know the things i've said to my kids yeah he said to me yeah it's fucking funny man but i've treated my

children i'm telling you you get that though it's's nice life advice to get from people. My grandmother would be the same way. It's wonderful. Your dad's the best, man. They're realistic, that's all. So they find, they go to a Black Rock Canyon area, and they direct the detectives to a site where they buried the murdery stuff. What they find in this treasure trove of murder is, wow, this is just, they put it all in one place.

Stick matches, you know, like wooden matches, a pair of black boots, a pair of blue rubber gloves, a pair of Athletics Works brand fingerless gloves, a melted brown hydrogen peroxide bottle, a multicolored mask, Oxide bottle. Melton. A multicolored mask. A large dagger type knife with a sheath. A silver and black handled knife with a signature of Sloan written on the inside. A small dagger type knife within a sheath.

A Sony videotape, which is the tape that all this shit was on. Because they buried that in the fucking thing. There. A black handled serrated folding knife. By the way, DNA testing revealed that Carrie's blood was present on this knife. Cassie. Did I say Carrie? Cassie's. I'm sorry. Apologies. A partly burned piece of

paper with writing in pencil. And we'll find out what that says on it and who wrote it in a minute. Do you think they thought that they could pour peroxide on this and light it on fire and they mixed up peroxide and alcohol? Maybe. Do you think so? You think so? But melt it?

Why do they melt the bottle? I don't know. Maybe they really tried to light it on fire. Fuck, we'll light the bottle on fire? That's a weird way of going about it. Hey, let's start a fire with this gas. Light the gas can on fire and let's go. What?

Shouldn't we get the gas that's inside of it? It's a weird start, yeah. Yeah, let's get what's in it. The fuck, man. So a red and white mask later dna revealed there's a partial dna profile of adam check in this mask a single black glove oj's other glove uh later dna testing revealed a partial dna profile from an unknown male on this single black glove which who knows what it got picked up somewhere a pair pair of partially burned black Puma brand gloves.

They tried to burn. I feel like they tried to burn a couple of things ago. That doesn't work well. It's just very hard. This is shit. Later DNA testing revealed that Stoddard's blood had soaked into these gloves. That's why they were probably trying to burn them. A blue plastic garbage bag,

a partially burned black long-sleeved hager brand dress shirt a calvin klein black dress shirt so they wore black dress shirts over there they were like oh do you have that your shirt from your grandma's funeral i'll wear mine weird uh yeah later dna testing revealed that carrie's blood was present uh on the shirt cuff there a white and a gray sock and a small piece of black cord that's what what they find in the hole. Now, more importantly, though, they find these videotapes. And these are, this is what's on the videotape. And this shit is terrible.

Okay. This is a selection of it. This is recorded September 22nd at 9.53 p.m. And 20 seconds. Okay. That's the night that they were going back and forth, the night that obviously the Carrie is at her house, or Cassie is at her aunt and uncle's house.

So, yeah, this here, it's Dark and Draper and Adam Checker sitting in a car. That's the setup. Draper says, we're here in the car, or we're here in his car. The time is 9.50, September 22, 2006. Unfortunately, we have the grueling task of killing our two friends and they are right in that house just down the street and adam check said we just talked to them we were there for about an hour but and then draper said we checked out the whole house we know there's lots of doors there there's lots of places to hide um i unlocked the back doors. It's all unlocked.

Now we just have to wait. And yep, we're really nervous right now. But, you know, we're ready. As a cop listening to that, you have to be like, what the fuck am I watching? You got to be like, let's get these little motherfuckers back in here again. Not only that, they sound like they're preparing for a football game. Like, yeah, we're nervous, but, you know, we're ready. We practice hard all week.

Coach has us ready for the challenge. feel like we're gonna rise to it adam check says quote we're listening to the greatest rock band ever and uh draper says we've waited a long time for this and adam check says pink floyd before we commit the ultimate crime of murder so uh apparently that's the greatest rock band of all time to these two murderers is pink floyd pink floyd's a great band yeah i'm sure they would not like to be put in this no particular uh you know scenario so draper then says we waited a long time for this again uh and then adam check says a long time and draper says well stay tuned okay tape starts back up again at 11 31 and 56 seconds so about what an hour and 40 minutes later right it starts back up again and uh yeah this is fucking insane this is they're in a car driving

okay draper says just killed cassie we just left house. This is not a fucking joke. Adam Cech says, I'm shaking. Draper says, quote, I stabbed her in the throat and I saw her lifeless body. It just disappeared. Dude, I just killed Cassie. And Adam Cech says, oh, my God. And then Draper says, oh, oh, fuck. That felt like it wasn't even real. It meant I mean, it went by so fast.

And Adam Cech says, shut the fuck up. We got to get our act straight. Draper says, it's okay. Okay, we will just buy movie tickets now. And then Adam Cech says, okay. And then they say, bye. They're excited. There's not a hint of anything.

They're just like, poo. Like, literally, we just beat fucking South High. Isn't that great? Like, this is their football game. Gross. It's fucking disgusting and hideous. And you just hope as I'm reading it, I'm just hoping that the tape is stopped by them careening off the road into a fucking tree where they both fire out through the windshield and into a fucking, I don't know, a thumbtack and rubbing alcohol factory. I have no fucking idea like a

cartoon like i want him to go through one of those then be like shot into like a tar thing and then rolled in feathers and then set on fire by like another mechanism like like the coyote or some shit that's what i want to happen in these two fucking dipshit dingus assholes just like a real like left eye from tlc moment where like yeah the camera pans to the back seat, then pans to the front, and then they're rolling. Yeah, yeah, except people who deserve it. And the car's just like tumbling, right? Yeah. Well, Andre Rison might.

But outside of Andre Rison, I don't think anyone else thinks she deserves it. Maybe his insurance company thinks she deserves it. They're like, you fucking asshole. So what they did was, how did they do this? When Matt left, they went around to the circuit breaker in the basement that's how they turn the lights off so that were the only house cut out so they were the only house cut out circuit breaker in the basement and they went and waited in the basement hoping that cassie would come downstairs to flip the breaker and that was the original plan

but they just waited down there forever because no one came downstairs because she just thought the power was out and it would come back on it's a lot of times 16 year olds don't even know how to fucking flip a circuit breaker they don't know that's what the power they just think power company will put it back on eventually so that's what happens she just hangs out upstairs so they get tired of waiting in the basement for her and eventually they go upstairs they had masks on they had as we found, black dress shirts on like they were waiters in an Italian restaurant and and dark colored clothes. All of this. Brian had the this is Draper had the dagger type knife and Tori had a hunting style knife.

This is the stabbing of Cassie 30 times, like we said. So anyway, at that point, they arrest Draper after they find the whole cache of shit and they put him in jail. And Draper was interviewed a fourth time after that. They attempted to contact Draper's parents, but weren't able to do so. So they gave him Miranda rights again. And he was told that he could have his parents present and agreed. He agreed to go on with the interview anyway. And he initially repeated that Adam Cech was the only person who stabbed Stoddard.

And then they were like, dude, what the fuck? Yeah, that was that whole deal. And so, yeah, after stabbing Stoddard in the leg, Draper said that Adam Cech told him it's not going to work. She has to die. And then, yeah, that was all of that. About 20 minutes into the interview interview he asked if he could see his parents in the end of the interview so he's under 18 the note that they found partially

burned note was recovered and uh they say that they believe it's an adam checks handwriting that's and it was brought into his trial a lot more portion of the note here that's not burned reads in this there's pieces burned off so we only have parts of sentences. It's just, is home alone stop, and then there's a line, out of the house, then runs into Tori, and then we murder Cassie, and then the letter E, the lowercase, like it's the end of a word, is home alone, and then house, like house without the H. home alone and then house like house without the h uh brian chases her th and then her and then two words they can't make out and then kill her and then it says if cassie plus matt come ho and then it says a noise and there's something and then kill matt plus it's a fucking plan we're gonna do it's literally this is we're gonna do a b c and d we're gonna run these plays

the screenplay yeah if the defense is stopping the run then we're gonna fucking we're gonna audible out into the hot read that's literally what they said that's horrible it's fucking disgusting they planned it out like that so after they found the evidence then they brought adam check in and they were like okay chief uh mr innocent let's talk to you here we got this is what we got let's lay lay it. We need it. Oh, you need a bigger table to lay all this shit out on. The table in here is not big enough. Someone bring in the fucking Thanksgiving.

Bring in the banquet table you had for the feast last time. The two fold out plastics. Bring those in. When they get us pizza once a year. That one that they did. They put them on. You know what I mean? So he tells the detectives here that they arrived there at 8 o'clock, got a tour of the home, watched Kill Bill, left at 10, tried to break into cars, and stayed over the course of that.

They made several calls to Beckham. They talked to him, found out he was leaving. He said that he and Draper returned to the house at about 1130 p.m. and did not leave for the remainder of the night at his house. That's it. He's sticking to his original story. Then they said, hmm, funny. Because they didn't tell him at first. We got all the shit.

They just said, don't tell us again what you got. He didn't know Draper. Johnson, press play, would you? Let's do that. There is on video. This cool video we got. They say, actually, actually, Adam, check. People have saw you at a convenience store later on. A convenience store called Common Sense with a C-E-N-T-S.

And Adam Scheck stated, oh, yeah, well, they went to the store to get so that Draper could buy matches for his cigarettes. That's why. So you don't have to buy matches, by the way. And by the way, who the fuck makes matches for free? I've never seen a match, those stick ones for like a grill they have, but like a matchbook. No one's ever paid a cent for one of those, but they've been producing them forever in mass quantities. Isn't that weird?

Well, it's because places buy them with their fucking place printed on it, and it's like advertising. But if you buy a pack of cigarettes at the store, they go, matches? Yeah, yeah. And then they give you a white book with no writing on it. They offer you matches for free. You know what I'm saying? Like, what the fuck is that about?

Who's making those? They have to cost something to make. It's got to be the gas station, right? The whatever convenience store. Someone's got fingers crossed. Like, I've been making matches in this factory for 120 years. We're going to turn a profit one of these days. One of these days, we're going to be in the black, guys.

We can do it. More matches. Pump them out. More matches is the answer, I figured. I feel like if we can just flood the market. Saturate it. Then there's no way they can not buy our matches pump them out more matches is the answer i figured i feel like if we can just flood the market saturate it well then there's no way they cannot buy our matches right we'll make the most jesus i've never we'll make money right yeah you how many do you got to make to turn a profit not a million a trillion a bill it's only the printer that i don't know. Wow. Because the paper is like made of something specific too.

You got to put fuel in that because the sulfur just gets it going. And then there's like that little wrinkle in it where you can see where the fuel is. And on the back is the strip. There's a machine that makes that. There's a lot of shit going on. Someone has to come in and fix it when it breaks. There's staples involved. Who's paying these people? There's staples. Staples cost money. I bought a box of shit going on someone has to come in and fix it when it breaks there's staples paying these people there's staples staples cost money i bought a box of

staples it's a few bucks like you have to buy staples all this stuff costs money why are they free what is happening in matches is free it's all free never paid for a fucking match in a book in my life ever never i've never heard of anyone paying for them i've got a drawer at home full of them yeah full stop wherever whenever you're going home tonight or you're driving you're doing something stop at the closest convenience store run and just go get a pack of matches they'll just throw you one they'll give you two i'm gonna say they'll say you need more than one they'll just give you more go in and ask for anything else in that store for free. No. Go in real hurry to be like, can I get a book of matches? They'll give you one.

And they'll be like, can I get Twinkies? No. No. They're $2.19. What are you talking about? You fucking nuts. They're in the aisle four. Even if you got a plastic fork, they'd be like, you got to buy a taquito or a few of

something. You're not getting that. But matches? There you go, chief. Enjoy. Fuck out of my store. Fuck out of my store. Enjoy.

Oh, yeah. Matches. Here you go. How many can we get you, sir? What a weird match economy that's going on. Are the cigarette companies funding that? I don't know. Because they're making billions, by the way.

I am shocked. I'm just shocked by the match thing. I know we veered off the course here, but. Marlboro's got to be. It's got to be big Marlboro. It's got to be. There's something big behind this, I feel like. Maybe there's tracking devices in the matches.

That's going to be the new conspiracy. So at the end of this interview, they go, oh, by the way, we found a shitload of evidence at that Black Rock Canyon. So I have a bunch there. You might want to talk about that quick. And Adam responded by saying, can I talk to an attorney? Which is the smart thing to do, rather than Draper, who said, OK, I'll tell you everything. And then when I'm done, I'll ask for my parents. Can I go home now?

Yeah. No, you can't. So another. Jesus Christ. They stopped questioning. And Adam check immediately. They stopped questioning him right away and exited the room. Allowing Adam check and his father to talk in a private room

that's different, okay? Now, following the private reading, meeting, not reading, Adam Cech got psychic. They had a reading. They got Miss Cleo in there. Adam Cech and his father and the detectives reconvened in the interview room where the detectives told Adam Cech that if he's

going, that he's going to be arrested, obviously, and informed him, we have all this shit tons of evidence and your partner statement and all of this stuff and so you know that was that and he made they said he made both verbal and non-verbal replies but he's under fucking arrest so it doesn't matter now February of 2008 judge Peter McDermott allowed Adam checks attorney's request for the state to pay for a brain scan because he claims that Adam Cech has a organic brain deficiency of some kind. You think he's a lawnmower man? Yeah, he's got some head injury that causes him to not be able to look, but he's had no

problems his whole life. It's like that. No, no, your friend's the one that stutters. Yeah, not you. Yeah. his whole life he just it's like that no no your friend's the one that stutters yeah not you yeah so uh in his ruling he said quote this is the judge mr adam check is a needy person he's being detained under a conviction of a serious crime and since he's been fixed uh here blah blah mr adam check does not have the funds of the ability to generate funds necessary to conduct the

neuropsychological examination requested by his attorney so the trials start here they say he's fine trials start and they're both charged with one count of murder in the first degree one count of conspiracy to commit murder in the first degree and they each move to sever their trials and they do that so they have separate truck because they're both blaming each other draper says it's all adam check adam check says it's all draper my life's gone downhill since he moved here the whole deal so uh draper files also a motion to suppress his fourth interview saying that because his parents were not present he had not voluntarily consented to the interview because he's a minor so he can't really waive anything his parents would have to waive that shit basically now the court denied this motion finding that in light of the totality of the

circumstances in light of the clearness of you being a complete asshole in light of you having a bag of murder shit right we are going to say go fuck yourself that's a pretty adult move and fuck the bag everything those tapes have enough incriminating evidence you don't need anything else fuck everything else you don't need it she's dead that's them saying we did it that's enough right there and exactly how and everything else so uh yeah they said draper voluntarily white or waived his right to remain silent and his parents had not unequivocally invoked his right to counsel so fuck yourself now at trial the jury hears a shitload of forensic testimony which is very sad obviously in these pictures. And the family, too. I mean, this family, the family is fucking just devastated. The family of Cassie, as you can imagine.

Jesus Christ. So, wow. At jury hearing, they hear all this forensic evidence. The jury hears there's a Dr. Steve Scalmel. He performed the autopsy and said that he determined the cause of death was stab wounds to the trunk of the body like torso and documented all the knife wounds. They

also had a forensic pathologist come in and examine Cassie and this doctor says, quote, it's my opinion that there were at least two knives used, one of which was non-serrated blade and one of which was a serrated blade. So, yeah, he said in general, the majority of the potentially fatal wounds were inflicted by the serrated blade.

And he goes on to that. There's one stuck right in the right ventricle of the heart. That was inflicted by a non-serrated blade. But all the other ones were serrated blades of the fatal wounds. were serrated blades of the fatal wounds now uh draper the jury takes as you can imagine not too long to come back with fucking guilty they didn't even say guilty the german the foreman said motherfucking guilty your honor we've decided that the uh defendant is motherfucking guilty i'm sorry your honor we apologize for the language but we felt very strongly about it we all it was a it was a group decision to put the motherfucking in there we all convened at the local tabernacle and we said you know what these kids they're not just guilty they're

fucking guilty i'm telling you right now and both the bishop agreed the bishop agreed both of these trials those juries were totally sequestered as well as we're like oJ, basically, because up there, you can't get away from this. You know what I mean? You can't just go home and not have people be talking about it. It's a big deal. So, yes, murder in the first degree. He is found guilty there. We'll talk about sentencing in a moment.

Well, you know, let's talk about sentencing now with Draper. His sentencing, the court ordered a pre-sentence investigation with the psychological evaluation for Draper and all that. The court allowed Draper's parents to sit in on the pre-sentence interviews with Draper. They really handled him with, you know, gentle gentleness here. The investigator wrote to the district court asking that Draper's parents not be allowed to sit in on the interview, though, stating, quote, I question whether Draper can be totally honest regarding his relationships to include sexual relationships or even substance abuse issues with a family member present. As the court is aware, any areas of deception could reflect poorly on Mr. Draper if the truth should come out.

I'm also concerned the parents, in an effort to protect their son or themselves, will interfere with my interview if they do not like the direct questions regarding the crime or issues related related to any abuse or neglect. So, yeah, the the the court ruled that Draper's parents could not attend the pre-sentence interview after that. So they don't. He he said he objected to the pre-sentence interview, arguing that the investigator was biased and that it did not conform to the dictates of Idaho law. This pre-sentence interview. So it's bullshit and files a motion and a thing and a blah, blah, blah. And the judge says, oh, yeah. How about this, sir?

You, sir. We'll talk about in a second here. The judge said, talked about. Now, think about when the judge is sentencing this guy. He's not just going to hit him with it. He's going to lead up and tell him what a piece of shit he is for this. Because this is the judge's moment to shine, too. And it's Idaho.

A 16-year-old girl died. Everybody's watching. This is your chance to fucking say something. So he discussed the brutal nature of the crime and stated he was convinced that if Draper, quote, quote, if Draper were released, that he would kill again. I'm convinced of that beyond a reasonable doubt. The judge said not good. So the district court says you, sir, may fuck off a fixed life sentenced for first degree murder and an indeterminate life sentence with 30 years fixed for conspiracy to commit murder in the first degree. Life without parole.

As an adult. As an adult. They sentenced him as an adult. They banged him as an adult. Life without parole. And that was Draper. That's Draper. Yeah.

They got him good. Yeah. Those tapes were the worst. They played him in court, man. And that's a kid that helped. Yeah. I mean, he assisted them with all this. Yeah.

But when you play those tapes in court, not because when you hear about what somebody did it sounds horrible but you think in your head well they must have been like sullen about it or like whatever if you see them afterwards like woo we just did this and taught you're like oh fuck you mother like no you want to have fun gleefully how about life in prison fun that's going to be fun right reveling in what they just did in the pain that you've caused there boy and for tory here and this is uh for adam check his defense is his defense is this and this is fucking ridiculous he says try imagine being his lawyer having to try to explain this in opening statements what adam check actually thought he and draper were doing was making a movie yeah he didn't realize it was real. Right. He said, I didn't realize that Draper actually wanted to kill this person.

I thought we were making a movie here. I thought we were fucking around. And he said, Draper and Draper alone killed Cassie. Must have gone at it with two knives, double fist in that shit. Right. Yeah. He also relied on what he called the lack of incriminating scientific evidence, which is okay. Cassie's blood was found on one shirt, one knife, a black folding knife there, one glove, all the mask.

He says that Adam's DNA, Adam Chek's DNA from either saliva or skin was found on the mask that did not test positive for Cassie's blood. The glove with Cassie's blood on it was a soccer glove and draper was a soccer player adam check was excluded as a contributor of dna found under cassie's fingernails on the glove and on the shirt that also had cassie's blood on it um yeah no i here's my theory draper did the hardcore stabbing because he enjoyed this shit and then he made adam check come in and stab or not made him but after everything's already adam check came in he's like yeah he's like, yeah, I'm stabbing too. Right. And made some superficial fucking wounds, because he's a I think he's the pussy of the group. But he got one

in the heart. But he got one in the heart. That's what I mean. It's disgusting. What he did was disgusting. I'm not defending it at all. No blame of that fucker. Tarantino? Watch the Tarantino movie. That's true. They should have, well, maybe if he did it with a sword, it would have been different.

Would have been out front of the whole Weinstein thing, just blaming Weinstein for everything. There you go. You know what? They could have really, could have probably made a couple bucks later on. So the defense also brought in an expert who's a forensic pathologist. This expert said he believes that only a single knife, one knife with a serrated blade caused these injuries. He testified he had no doubt that wound number 22 was inflicted.

This is the wound that they say was inflicted. The one fatal single blade wound, he said, was a serrated blade similar to the partially serrated knife found at the evidence site. He also testified that after causing wound number 22, the serrated blade continued through Cassie's hand to inflict a wound, a different wound here. He also believes that the

other doctor, Dr. Garrison, might have mixed up wounds one and two. So he's like, bad job by the state's forensic people. And he's what he says. And then Mark Klinger, who's a retired crime scene and fraud investigator, he says and then mark clinger who's a retired crime scene and fraud investigator he testified for the defense as well he said that he believed based on what he called quote a single blood drop path at the crime scene that cassie was murdered by a single assailant

and that only one knife was used he acknowledged that he never previously investigated a murder involving knives and that he was not trained in forensic science only one knife did this i don't know shit i don't know shit hi i'm mark i'd like to give you my opinion on shit i don't know about anybody like you know what my my twitter's open ask me at jimmy p is funny just ask me shit ask me shit like how to fix your engine just a bunch of shit i don't know about and i will give you a confident opinion on it. I swear. Ask me anything. I'll tell you exactly how to do it. It won't be real or true. Might be by accident, but it's not going to be out of knowledge.

I hate that. What a fucking idiot. Why did they let him testify? Who are you again? Fuck out of my court right now. Don't worry. My schedule is clear. Oh, I got this.

No. Why don't we just go pick a guy who's sleeping under a fucking box on the side of the court and bring him in here and ask him his opinion on it i hate that he's probably at least seen a stabbing in his life the fuck are you doing i hate that the stab wounds are numbered i mean granted you have to do that to be able to count them yeah and they and you have to be able to identify them with a specific number but exactly it's for court number 22 it makes it sound real and personal stomach really fucking turn man that means there's at least 21 others yeah and grand varying degrees of of severity that's true though number 22 that's a lot it makes it it takes the it makes it more impersonal it just makes it seem

like oh uh almost like it's it's a body number whatever yeah it's not a human being that's not a girl named cassie stoddard who was just dead and whose family doesn't have a kid to it's not a human being. It's not a girl named Cassie Stoddard who is dead and whose family doesn't have a kid. It's ridiculous. So, yeah, it's crazy, man. So, also, the defense took aim at the police investigation. They say that the investigation was shoddy. You don't need much of an investigation. And once the detectives found the videotapes, they stopped investigating.

Yeah, they found the proof. I don't need it anymore. That's the proof of the crime.apes, they stopped investigating. Yeah. Yeah. They found the proof. I don't need it anymore. That's the proof of the crime. I got them. What else do you need? Got it. Got the proof.

Here we go. What the fuck else are you looking for? Can we go home now? Yeah. Here's a big bag. It's not even like, oh, we found a tape. Let's try and knife now.

It's a whole bag of everything they needed. What the fuck else are you looking for? It's everything. You've talked to the boyfriend and you found the bag. Those are the only people that were there, the only people that would know and all the evidence what the fuck else do you need jesus they quit when they solved it it's bullshit super bullshit i hate it when that happens they totally stopped they keep going he's got the total oj defense like he's like i mean

they they fixated on me just because her blood's all over me and then they stopped investigating it's crazy so uh at adam check's sentencing hearing a neuropsychologist dr uh mark korgiat testified that he was immature for his age and demonstrated a pattern of neurocognitive defects such as less than appropriate uh age appropriate things like judgment, impulse control, complex problem solving, etc. Yeah. Hope you never meet me, sir. No shit. 39.

I'm super immature. So Adam Cech is convicted, obviously. There's a lot there. But he's really going hard at the sentencing. He wants to show how good of a kid he is because they had separate sentencing hearings. good of a kid he is yeah because they had separate sentencing hearings he brought in a special education teacher that testified that adam check had individualized education plan and iep lots of kids have ieps any if you're dyslexic you get an iep that's i have to do that fucking twice a year trust me not a big deal doesn't mean that he doesn't know anything it just means that he might be slow in one area of school uh because a learning disability, that he was a model student and that he was not a leader.

Another teacher testified that Adam Cech was kind, cooperative and respectful, that he never complained and that he was naive and gullible and very trusting, maybe too trusting. And Adam Cech's parents and siblings and other family members also testified at the sentencing hearing. and siblings and other family members also testified at the sentencing hearing. Additional evidence was presented that they presented about Draper that said, you know, his writings as a child saying that he'd been thinking about hurting or killing classmates for several years. And Adam Cech stated during his pre-sentence interview that when he and Draper went into the house, Adam Cech believed they were just going in to scare Cassie. So, I mean, it sounds like he's going to get off light, right? Dr. Kenneth Lindsay did a psychological evaluation on Adam Cech,

but didn't testify. His report was there, concluded that Adam Cech was immature for his age, had only fair insight, and had somewhat disorganized thought processes. He also said that he suffered from depression and anxiety. there's all of that they also the state presented in rebuttal evidence from two computers from the adam czech residence evidence that was stored under his name his username evidence included uh all his porn oh no they brought in all his porn they brought in his whole fucking everything, his whole porn history they put out in front of the fucking jury. And his parents and everything. Now, here's where he was

He was into black chicks with big asses for a minute. But he seemed to go very, very quickly. He only watched a minute 23 of this one. So either he didn't like it at all or a lot. Or he really liked it a lot. One of the two.

One of the two. Either it was great or terrible we're not sure if you get 15 minutes into a porn you hate it yeah you literally yeah you hate it that's not your your shit wherever a porn is stopped that's either where the person gave up on it and didn't like it anymore or where it was great because he was tired. That moment pushed them over the edge in one way or the other. That's how that works. Sleepy or ready for more. That's right.

Through all of this, also victim impact statements come in and Cassie's whole family is, they want this blood from these two. And they know what they tug to now two and they know what they tug to oh now they know what they talk to which makes it worse can you imagine knowing that this guy hurt your family and then also knowing what he wrestles into and he's like oh jesus so the judge

says well you sir may fuck off indeterminate life with 30 years fixed for the conspiracy same sentence life without parole fucker he got exactly the same shit didn't matter so now draper uh has been when he's in jail once he's in prison has was having things posted to his myspace page okay so he's got myspace shit from prison this asshole um he says quote many things have happened since the last time i updated this page. I've moved to the prison in Boise, Idaho, and I'm in a transition stage that may last a couple weeks. Following the transition, I'll be moved to a new location in Boise where biker gangs will use me

as fucking currency. That's all it is up there. I'm about to turn into a $20 bill, you guys. I'm about to turn into a fucking pinhole cushion from the Aryan Brotherhood. He says, quote, I want you all to know that I'm hanging in there. Things get rough from time to time, and I don't go a week without breaking down at least once. But overall, my life is okay. I keep busy by going to religious services, attending educational classes, creative writing, computers. Let's keep the writing at a minimum. Writing, reading, and playing a lot of chess. I'm also able to play the piano down at the chapel.

I play piano for church services, and for an hour a week, I can play piano in solitude. I wrote a song dedicated to everything that's happened. It's called Sorrows and Sunrises. All right. No. No. Thank fuck I don't have the lyrics for this song, because that would be terrible. Actually, it'd be great, because we could make fun of him in his deepest thoughts.

He said... It's him trying to say the two words. What is it? Sorrows and sunrises? Sorrows and sunrises. Sorrows. I can't say either of those. I'm trying to practice.

And sun. Sounds like a Christopher Cross song, doesn't it? It's a. Sorrows, sorrows and sunrises over the wings. Fucking no. So, it was a James Taylor song or some shit. He said, currently I'm in the appeals process so that maybe someday I can be released and start redeeming myself on the outside like I'm doing now on the inside.

I'm in the stop program here, which is a program that brings kids into the facility and inmates to speak with them about being a good person and staying out of trouble. I'm one of the inmates that speaks to kids. He's like, guys, my butthole is fucking. It's destroyed. It just looks like a clump, like someone put a handful of ham and threw it against the wall. That's what it looks like now. Just a handful, like a half pound of ham thrown up against the fucking wall. That's how my asshole looks.

Do you understand? Stay in school. Stay in school. They call me Keys because, A, I play the piano, and there's these two long things that are both white and black going in and out of my asshole. It's pretty good. Yeah, all the time. All day long ass all day long jesus christ keys remember that that's good they call me wow jesus christ uh yeah he says i if i

spend the rest of my time locked locked in prison i'll rise above that god wants if god wants me to stay here then this is where i'll stay i'll leave you with two good sayings. I wept because I had no shoes till I saw a man who had no feet. He's getting deep now. Oh, my God. Two men looked out through prison bars. One saw mud. The other saw stars. Oh, God.

Jesus, I want to punch this kid so bad. I want to take him into a wrestling ring and perform WWE moves on him. I want to power bomb him. I want to come off the top rope on him. I want to power bomb him. I want to come off the top rope on him. I want to fucking pummel him with a chair. Don't you? You just want to do shit like that to him? Handcuff him.

I would put him in the Boston Crab and snap his back in half. I really want to fucking work him over. Sergeant Slaughter calling him a maggot. Yeah. Oh, fuck yeah. I want it all. He said, thanks again for all your love and support. I pray you're all doing well.

I love you. And thank you for believing in me. Never forget Cassie Jo Stoddard. Fuck you, dude. Fuck you. I can't believe you fucking piece of shit. Never forget her. Because if you think of her, then you have to think of me.

That's what that says. Your friend Brian. Gross. And says people he'd like to meet. Hemingway, Albert Einstein. Fuck. Nobody wants to meet you people he'd like to meet. Hemingway, Albert Einstein. Fuck, nobody wants to meet you. I'd like to meet you to fucking kick you in the dick. That's who'd like to meet you.

You want to meet somebody? You're going to meet me and Jimmy. We're going to kick the shit out of you. How's that sound? I bet he's met a lot of Jimmys. I bet he has. Phew. 2010, the Stoddard family files a civil lawsuit against the idaho school district

claiming the school was negligent and should have known that draper and adam check posed a threat to others because they were videotaping in school with shit and they weren't being observed is what they're saying uh both the civil court and state supreme court dismissed the case saying the actions of the killers were not foreseeable which i kind of agree with you can't you can't keep an eye on 2000 kids and exactly what they're thinking and writing and doing and that's impossible as much as i want the stoddard family i i want them to be able to sue everybody and win right because what happened to them is no one should ever have to go through that it's fucking disgusting to ever even think about someone going through that but that's you that's hard to say a lawsuit i feel i feel terrible

saying because i want them to win because i just want them to get some sort of relief. The point is they blamed the right people and it's over. They're in jail. They got what legally we can do to them. I mean, I get that they're trying to prevent in the future because I think that was the point of it was to prevent this shit in the future. But it's impossible. You just can't keep that close an eye on kids. You can't.

It's just not possible. In prison, people do that shit and they're in prison. Right. Like these kids have freedom of movement. You can't keep that close an eye on kids you can't it's just not possible in prison people do that shit and they're in prison right like these kids have freedom of movement you can't keep that in prison you know yeah that's what i'm saying crazy so uh one of the appeals here for draper there's different ones there's one for september of 2010s for adam check april of 2011 for draper draper seeking to have his conviction vacated or to be given a limited life sentence that would allow for his release on parole after 30 years. The first appeal for both of them was denied, both of them in a three to two decision on that. Somebody agreed to. Well, yeah, the high court vacated Draper's conviction on conspiracy to commit murder in the first degree, saying that the jurors were given erroneous instructions on that charge.

But they affirmed his conviction for first degree murder and life sentence without parole. So Draper actually got the conspiracy actually thrown out there. But it doesn't matter because he's still convicted of the more heavily punishable crime. So his appeal, he argued that the jury instructions were misleading he pointed to language and instruction 13 which states in order for the defendant to be guilty of first degree murder the state must prove that the murder was willful willful willful deliberate and pre it's hard to say willful and deliberate together and premeditated killing premeditated means to consider beforehand whether or not to kill blah blah blah draper

argues that by failing to define willfulness failing to define it willfulness the court relieved the state of its burden of proving one of the elements of the crime behind her beyond a reasonable doubt what willfulness i get it but how do you not see that tape and go they planned it and we're fucking into it he seemed way more than willful and he was more willful it seemed like after the fact than before he was thrilled about it jacked and he was the one saying he said quote i stabbed her in the in the throat i saw her lifeless body he said that yeah not adam jack that's what draper said so if he said i stabbed her in the throat right that's pretty that's a lot that's willful to hurt to

certainly kill pretty fucking willful so both of them they tell them to fuck off and sit in jail basically 2016 the united states supreme court makes some decisions they rule that mandatory mandatory sentences of life without the possibility of parole are unconstitutional for juvenile offenders even in cases of murder ruling that the ruling that the youth of the convict had to be considered. It was Montgomery v. Louisiana later on that this doctrine had been applied to cases retroactively and directed a review of all such cases, which was 1,500 nationwide. Yeah, but here's the thing that I don't understand about that whole ruling.

They didn't even do it case by case. They just said all of them. All of them. You can't give, because they said this is what the court says. Supreme Court, given juveniles brain immaturity, the Supreme Court ruled that there had to be an opportunity to consider mitigating factors as well as for later review of sentences of such inmates. That I agree with later review, because when you're 16, maybe you'll be totally different when you're 50. But who knows? With possible relief for persons who had reformed. we're talking about this is only for teenagers yeah so we're talking about someone

if they go in when they're 16 some of those people are going to be very different people when they're 45 you know what i mean they might be worse people right but they might be better people we don't know but we've also put them in a in a systemic uh problematic arena of america where they are going to be way better at being a criminal unless they completely went on the straight and narrow in there so they said that uh yeah uh possible relief for people of reform it said that quote children who commit even heinous crimes may be capable of change so their draper and adam checker among the cases the state courts will review under the ruling uh The problem is the decision.

It doesn't overturn the sentences. It just puts them up for review. It's not a retroactive thing where you're not allowed to sentence people. So all those people's sentences are vacated. It's not one of those. It's a review. We'll talk about it later. Exactly.

Now, 2015, Adam Check had gained a hearing for post-conviction relief saying that he claimed testimony from character witnesses could have changed the outcome of the sentencing but that his former attorney against Adam checks parents wishes chose to not call these witnesses he called all sorts of witnesses they were giving him the same sentence as Draper period he was getting that there was changing

he could have no he could have brought in the fucking king of the Mormon tabernacle whatever the fuck I don't even know not somebody that really exists someone could have came down with a big beard and a robe and a cloud behind him and they would have said life without parole fuckhead we don't care what you say you see these videotapes i want to punch the skin the dick and then he'd go oh oh boy yes i shall kick him in thy dick as well where is he yes so anyway yeah he does that a hearing is is uh uh jesus christ man wow uh it's so fucking stupid so the supreme court makes a decision the idaho supreme court makes a decision upholding the district court decision

adam check files a federal writ of habeas corpus in 2018 which he argues that the idaho state supreme court uh denied his first appeal based on the theory that he wasn't that wasn't presented to the jury he also argues that he should be entitled to a new sentencing hearing because of the supreme court decision holy shit here uh but uh judge a federal magistrate judge candy w dale presided over adam checkech's writ and on November 25th 2019 she told him to eat dicks go fuck his mother as well

I believe was there possibly and the Supreme Court he does not sound Mormon no I doubt it and the Supreme Court was holding oral arguments about hell yeah yeah which is another juvenile life without parole case that could have an effect down the road on Adam Cech and Draper's sentences.

So this is not over. No. They're going to be doing this with sentences forever. Yeah. Because there's always going to be that, the youth thing. Now, there was a change.org petition. To do what? To get Tory a new trial.

Tory Adamshack's family. There's Tory's innocent websites and all this shit where they explain how he was just duped into this by this terrible other kid. And it's like, no, they're both pieces of shit. I'm sorry. They're both just as guilty. There's a change.org petition to get Tory a new trial. It's closed now, obviously. It only had 85 supporters.

It's family. Yeah. Guess what? Not enough, asshole. to get tory a new trial it's closed now obviously it only had 85 supporters so family yeah guess what not enough asshole that is idaho guys wow that is chubbuck idaho and that is a case of two complete fucking assholes that was a chubbuck one that was a chubbuck it's thick and chubbuck yeah so i mean jesus christ i just that's one of those cases where you know we've been telling some panhandly white trash shit and we try to do a variety but this is one where like this is just a pop culture and everything else of it and yeah don't get caught up in this shit everybody this is why you don't listen to the radio you don't listen to you don't watch just the movies that are in movie theaters fucking go find some flavor yeah go do something dig deeper yeah be a person listen to murder podcasts where they make fun of the murder and you go well jesus i don't want to be mocked and fucking ridiculed afterwards because

ted bundy they're like he was evil and he was terrible they want to be called those things they don't want to be made fun of like we're making fun of them saying that their asshole looks like a handful of fucking ham thrown against the wall that's the shit that will prevent people from doing crimes right make them listen to this god damn force murder convicts to listen to small town murder or force people who are going down the wrong this is a scared straight program for youth you're like oh shit they're gonna be so mean to me and ted by the way who who pride himself prided himself on his fucking physique and his appearance, and he was super vain. His death, in the death picture after, he looks like he's 95. He looks terrible.

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We always have a good time talking about those. So we'll do that. And that's about it. I need to hear names. I need to talk, man. Dude, I'm sorry, man. You know what? I'm going to videotape you saying them and I'm going to be laughing and acting like a douchebag.

Hit me with the names of the best fucking people in the world right now. This week's executive producers are Linda Campbell, Jordan Bennett, Simon Shedd, happy birthday buddy. Happy Simon. Jordan's husband. Christina Ridenour, Connie DeMetsaneri, Ryan Dempsey,

Crystal Gennaro, Erica Hawk, Lauren Bergen, no, Laura Bergen, Susan Old, just thanks, Susan. Thank you. Tamara Schlichter, no, Raja Milavarupu, Morris Sparkman, Kevin Bartlett, Eric Thompson, Vanessa Kors, Kimberly Baum, Devin Bilek, John Moss. What is this? What did I write? Kaki Surratt, I think.

Casey? I don't know who that is. Josie Davis, Toby Moulton, Greg Ioti. Craig? No, Leslie. Leslie Buffoni, Brent Jorgensen, Audrey Fitzsimmons, Martha Kastantosin, Heather Knight, Katie Wellhausen, Daniel Bilek, Hillary Hoyas, Ashley with no last name, Robert Hudson, Nick Nassaby, Bill Fisher, Hafid Cristobal, Mae McCorvey, Caitlin Logan, Amanda Davis-Marsinchuk, and David Lukasik, I think.

Probably not. Thank you, guys. You guys are fucking amazing. Thank you. Other producers this week are Lisa Bilek. Happy birthday. Joey Everly Thompson, Thomas Smith, Travis Marshall, Robin Anderson, Joanne Ahern, James Marder, Colorado Dragonfly, Jude Kendall, Jackie Sukup, Carl Kirshner, Christina Womack,

Trisha Lilly, Aaron Davis, Ryan Shank. Oh, boy. Oh, boy. Asian letters. That's who it is. uh carl kirschner christina womack trisha lilly aaron davis ryan shank oh boy oh boy asian letters that's who it is uh asian letters i have chinese house i love when that came in i said you can't even draw that jimmy never mind pronounce it that's what i did is tried to draw it and it's worse than my pronunciation it probably says john j. Josh Halsema, Christer, Joe Kennedy, Chrissy Sorensen, Ashley Henderson, Reagan Shalkley, Peyton Meadows, Tawny Wyatt, Jennifer Blakeslee, Do It Destiny, Adam Dugdale, Catherine Fellows, Nathan Blaine, Jessica Stacey, Laura with no last name, Penelope Asaguera, Dick Minge, Penelope Asaguera, Dick Minge, Lisa Cantor Jacobson, Jennifer Visconti, Molly McCarthy, Joy Pearson, Carla Ling, Cindy Wilkin, Brenda Likovich, Dean Reynolds, Brian, no, Brendan Hummel, David with no last name, Alicia with no last name, Solomon's World, Christina Rauscher,

Yaviano Lorenzo, Jordan Cordova, Sean Watson, Jeremy Schweitzer, Kevin Eastman, Elizabeth Rankin, David Bagshaw, Patrick Lau, Susanna Platt, Chloe Carlson, and her partner's birthday is this week. Happy birthday, Ricky. Love you. Ashley Veo, Susanna Platt. I said that. Crystal Walker, Lacey Ucherek.

Hey, it sounds hard. It is. Bethany Moore, Destiny with no last name evan grassel kayla innis crystal mehan uh jesus ludo not luda no i don't know trey david i'm sorry uh ryan covington ryan john roberts allison kraus cruz charlie shoot amanda knight molly stapleton rebecca anderson sonia smith nia williamsJones, David Owens, Tracy Poets, Annalise Benazzi, Abby Tanner, Sarah Wolford, Robin O'Brien, Chris DeYoung, Brad Hask, Cody Leversey, Brad Hash or Hash Kask. I don't know. Those might be H's or S's or H's. I don't know. You're all confused.

Cody Leversey, Avin Mergen, Joseph Lusk, King Jaguar, Mary Heist, Rachel Sutton, Ashley White, Kristen Miller, Janice Hill, Amanda Unger, Ethan Palmer, George Warren, Andrea Pearsdorf, Laura Taylor, Leslie Marks, Jordan Hall sarah surage brooke kale alina alina alina farika probably not pleno hln i hope that's headline news and somebody over there is watching or listening jeremy mcintyre uh zachary swindoll uh sunny sanchez sash sash sassy richardson no i don't know what that is kristin rich Richardson. So hopefully they're related and she can tell that person that I actually do care. Kyle Parks, Damon, Anne Brooks, Emily Martindale, Jean, Jeannie, Jeanne, Jeannie Andrews, Chad with no last name, Samantha Gillen, Bethany Marverlicus, no, Mavronicles?

That's probably not right. Karina Whitmers, Cash Broods or Brodus. Hannah Winchester. Brian Call. Jennifer Lee. Sally Blotno. No. Blotty.

Blotty. Hmm. He gives up. Rebecca Silverman. Liz Franklin. Sammy Jo. Andrew Wolfe. Lacey with no last name. Scottimus Prime.

Joellis Lopez. Taylor Brown. Nancy Batt. Joshua Lawn. Kathy Longstreet. Chrissy Pietzmeyer, Patrick Haggerty, Michelle Paranude, Tacey Schwartz, Heather with no last name, Mary Townsend, Estre Lolita, and Alexandria Vasquez Salgado, Zach Halverson, Daniel Anderson, Heather with no last name again, Joanne, no, Jen, Papel, Lauren Kristen Kastenbauer, Laura, God damn it, Julian

Cook, Julianne Cook, James Warner, Aaron Kerr, Sarah Arendelle, Christy Baxter baxter amita no yeah amid amid a wall while amita wild laura steel taylor odom anthony litwiller uh michelle maloney malone harriman probably not drew no last name marshall how how worka how worka stephanie martz brian moran uh ray ray demoned demoned yeah that aina schooner doing great jimmy you see me at the end of movies yeah at the end of movies i'm like no richard tabor trisha mobley caitlin i'm not giving that a shot caitlin cody cat would know last name colinufal rory would no last name michael hummel hummel uh ruby schaefer uh bridget labady labady lisa dominic dylan cade alex johnson joseph no joe cassidy fuck jeremy goodson paul clifford hill dog doug dick i don't know what i did laura shart that can't be right. I hope so. A. Brown Brown. I can only hope. Brandon Neff. Alexandra Pans.

Megan with no last name. Monica Clematrude, I think. Candice Pitcher. Sam Azard? No, Azaro. Fuck. Heather Ballack. Megan with no last name.

Stuart Caswell. Alexandra Pans. Julie Crook, I think. Stupid Martins. I got that one. Kyle Needham. Ashley Curran. Ed Rogers, Brittany Dunlap, Sterling Stitter.

No, Stiletto. Fuck. Catherine Rowe, Zach Hines, Heather Stibe. S, what is this? S-Asia, I think. S-A-Z-A. Don't look at me. S-Asia.

But that is. S-Asia. No, it's... Sazia. No, it's not one name. It's just S and no last name. I don't know. I think. I hope. I'm confused.

All right. Maggie Smith. Aylan. Elon. Olivera. Jim Trask. Troy with no last name. Sylvia Smith.

Rick with no last name. Sheila Johnson. Kara Slavonic. Chris with no last name. Chanel Mendiola, Chloe Ross, Rachel Sutton, Devin Hammond, Dylan Murray, Alicia, Pete, Ryan Gray, Allison West. We're almost done. I swear to God, we're not. Elizabeth Cunningham. No, it's not.

Karmigjani. No, Karmignani. That's not Cunningham at all. Nick Kritzer. Bryson Robinson. Kimberly Wolfram. Daniel Robert. Tiffany Gregory.

Chris Lorenz. Lorenz. Victoria Leach. Robin Abler. Danita. No. Yeah. Sharish.

Nicole Gonzalez. Shane Hampton. Adam with no last name. Simply Woo. Markpton, Adam with no last name Simply Woo, Mark Green, Emily with no last name, Joelle or Joel Bonner or Bonair or Boner Riker Grimm Tony Palmer, Elliot94

Aiden Telhey I think, everything but the girl Wes Mitchell Kate Pantle, Autumn with no last name Sam N, David Lenker Amanda Skaloud Brianna Roscover P. Lowe Samira Russell

Elizabeth Rapp Jennifer Bradbury Christopher with no last name Danielle No, yeah Danielle Danielle Danielle

Domenichuk Brianna Jarvis Sharice Yang Ken Thompson Stephanie Rogers Colin and Lindsay, Katie Prevost, Josh Smith, Brooke with no last name, Joe Jeffers, Miles Barron's, Chris Garver, Kellyanne, Kelly, Annie, Monias, David Hanson, Dustin say, Megan Tyner, Nick Spencer, Jane

Kish, Jackie Banks, Brian Spink, or Orla, Orlia, McDonald. Sure. Sure. No. Blanca Fuentes, Claire Koenig, Benita Langell, Mike Beveridge, Casey Hammond, Jesse James, Brian Keithley. I hope that's the dude that makes motorcycles. Jay Hawkins, Craig Nicholas, Lisa Janine, Ashley Legg, Tammy Joy Schlichter, Mitchell Berkey.

That is the second schlichter i want them to be arts family is it arts they're just like you know what i deserved it yeah jenna pridey maggie with no last name kathleen schweitzer schweitz schweitzner joseph voigt varna blocker uh marky marky peterson ryan wolf travis tessier uh big LRG, Kim with no last name, Melissa Rosario. Happy birthday, Gianna DeLuca. She's fantastic. Thank you, Gianna. Jason Hobbs, Jessica, not Jessica, Norton, Shelly Ann Williams, Kimber Street, Kayla

Kovillian. Good Christ. How much is a Kovillian? That's what I'd like to know. I think in the Sims game, it counts as a whole lot. You can buy a whole furniture thingian? That's what I'd like to know. I think in the Sims game it counts as a whole lot. You can buy a whole furniture thing with it. Crystal with no last name. Latasha Campbell.

Grant Evans. Sharmell Issa. Dylan Christian. Phil Jenner. Sharon with no last name. Jesse Medina. Hugo Gregory Taylor. Jeremy Jocks.

Jack Mehoffer. Oh, I got you, bro. Maybe I will if you'd like. Adrian Cathy. Meredith King aubrey with no last name grant uh grant white grant with two t's that's a bullshit spelling katie seal with no wait yeah that's her last name pot valley eight deb pinto ashley williams john schiffer is celebrating his 30th anniversary and did it by donating to us because it's in quarantine and he can't take her anywhere thank you congratulations john and your wife jen vogel uh william blood pamela radford i

said and your wife because he didn't tell us her name well that's a growing uh problem by the way no name they love to be like please say something to my wife and then they go she'd love to hear her name sign what is it yeah thanks joe shiffer's wife appreciate it uh the joy of flex do you see that because there's the joy of sex uh michael no that's kevin michael brad uh brandy perry uh blair hoffesmeister no homeister home homeister katie middleton ryan benner katie hules shadow exceed ashley smotic or smotic uh can Sam Kears, Shelly Steed, Mike K, Jessica Newman, Glenn Moore, April Kazier, LaTosha Miller, Owen Brick, Rachel Benson, Austin Kukildal, probably not, Megan Sheik, Christina Carpenter, Ben B, Alex Wickenkamp, Ben Williams, Lexi

Lovell, Jennifer Flacco, no, Falcoco sorry tyus perez jake with no last name brent slow tug and jorgensen perfect tommy nash just a man kira ben story jed luellen lewis uh michael s would no last name s i guess his last name jason kluga lauren klum or klumbo no i don't know what i did kol Klum. Klumb? Probably not. You know who you are. Chris Kaiser. Charlie Butel.

Amy Clifford. Travis with no last name. Drew Statham. Aaron with no last name. Nicholas Holt. Harmony Fisher. Phoebe Taylor. Jenny Lang.

Amanda. Yeah, that's the last part I'm going to get right. Soviardi? No. Natasha Jenkins. Jody Rusk. Mike Eitelag? Is he a wig? Sarah Rose, Rose Dugan, Erica Honaker, Alicia Storm, Julie Stoltz, Jason McNutt, Gabe with no last name, Demi Wamsley, Lindsay Austin Brunton, Jessica Archer, Tim Westcott, Brent Ansell, Rita Merritt, and Taylor. Probably of the clothing store.

I was going to say, probably. Probably. That's an amazing person. Katie George, Oscar Lundell, Amy Hunts, 44. She sent us a really nice email. Thanks, Amy. Thank you. Laura Norris, Anastasia Bergmeier, Kelly G., Lisa Robinovich, Emma Scott, I said Laura

Norris, Darwin Heron, or Heron, Ryan Swift, Joshua Kinkmeyer, Hinkmeyer, probably Candy Carpenter, Kaylee, no, Kylie, Schlabic, nope, Morgan Thumel, I think, George Ingram, Duncan Black, Christopher Johansson, Harrison Evers, Giovanni, probably, Fulton, poor Giovanni, married a dumb white person with a shit white person. Probably had a great Italian amazing last name. Why would Giovanni change his last name? To Fulton? Because she.

It's a girl, right? Giovanni? I don't know. No, Giovanni is a boy. Giovone. Oh, Giovone is a different name. Giovanni is a guy. Probably married a dumb hillbilly with Fulton as a last name.

Yeah, that's probably it. Probably. Derek Adams. Caroline with no last name. Jack Walker. Cupcake. Whoever that is. a guy probably married a dumb hillbilly maybe yeah that's probably probably derrick adams caroline with no last name jack walker cupcake whoever that is byron woods and all of our patreon uh donators you guys are amazing thank you thank you everybody thank you thank you thank you from the bottom of our hearts shit do we appreciate it honestly i don't know fuck shit we appreciate it all thanks everything you for that you do for us because it really does the means the world to us we're not on the road right now it helps it really does thank you guys for literally keeping the lights on and the studio going so you make life

able to live yeah you make you make rent be paid therefore shows can be made so rents paid shows made that's how it works so thank you guys for keeping that going. We really, really do appreciate it. What if they appreciate you, Jimmy? How the hell can they tell you? How many shows do we have? I've told them enough. Where can they find you? I said it before. I'm at Jimmy P's funny at the thing, and I don't know. It doesn't matter.

You'll find us eventually. I'm around. You know if you want to look for us, you'll find us. You'll find me. You'll find me. I'm around. I'm out there. Just go on the corner and yell. We'll come around sometime. Ask if anyone's seen us. Call my phone number and text me. It's all good.

We don't fucking care. That said, oh, by the way, we didn't win Webby's, but thanks for voting, everybody that voted. We won shit. But our entry fee did go to promote Tom Hanks and Cardi B. That was nice. That's terrific. We're really happy that a couple underdogs don't get any...

It's about time he gets a break. It's about time that a couple people don't get any breaks in the media, really get zero attention, can shine. Thank you, guys. People like us don't need it. We can go fuck our mothers.

He fucking beat coronavirus. He needs this, too? That's right. He needs to take webbies from people as well. He should have to sit on a fucking deserted island for this for stealing from us pack him with a volleyball jesus christ your moment that's right that's that everybody until next week it's been our pleasure Hey, Prime members, you can listen to Small Town Murder early and ad-free on Amazon Music.

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