Small Town Murder - #174 - Open & Not So Shut in Belle Terre, New York

Episode Date: June 4, 2020

This week, in Belle Terre, New York, a wealthy couple is found dead, in their own home. The only other person in the house is their adopted teenage son, who makes a full confession, including the motive of being angry about not getting a new sports car. Case closed. Right? Not even close. What follows is a tale of lies, corruption, and outright insanity. One of our craziest yet!! Along the way, we find out rich people don't need fire insurance, that you don't need evidence if you have a confession, and that sometimes you need to investigate that confession!! Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman New episodes every Thursday! Donate at: patreon.com/crimeinsports or go to paypal.com & use our email: [e-mail] Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder & Crime In Sports! Follow us on... twitter.com/@murdersmall facebook.com/smalltownpod instagram.com/smalltownmurder Also, check out James & Jimmie's other show, Crime In Sports! On iTunes, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts# See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Welcome to Small Town Murder. hello everybody and welcome back to small town murder yay yay indeed jimmy yay indeed my name is james petter gallo i'm here with my co-host. I am Jimmy Wissman. Thank you. He sounds sad about that. Ah, well. And I am Jimmy Wissman. What are you going to do? I don't want to be Jimmy Wissman, but I am. But we're happier, Jimmy Wissman. That's what I got.

So thank you folks so much for joining us this week. Hope you enjoyed last week when we were in the hills of Marmaduke there. Oh, boy. Literally, if you need an explanation, you should listen to last week's episode. Fascinating place. When you hear Marmaduke, Arkansas, you picture a certain certain murder and it didn't disappoint let's just say that this week complete opposite of that because we like to bounce around and do different things wild case this week this is one of the craziest ones we've done and we did this as a live show right this year and

planned to do it throughout the year as a live show, which those plans have obviously gone to complete and utter shit. So we're just going to do this one now. Everything else. Yeah, it's been a week, let's just say, for everybody in the whole world, obviously. So, yeah, it's been a week. We feel we're going to be upfront about this. We don't know when to bring this shit up,

but we feel a little weird yelling shut up and give me murder this week. It's awkward. There's some weird shit going on obviously and uh there's uh you know there's a lot of a lot of murder that's not very fun no and we like to have fun with murder obviously as odd as that sounds but that's the premise of the show it is crazy stuff going on around murder that you know people are doing nutty things and you know panhandle behavior the least solemn ones that's the thing yeah we try to do that we've had cases up here with some unsympathetic people being killed and some unsympathetic people doing the killing and you know so it's it's odd we don't

we usually as you know we've said on many occasions that we don't specifically specifically do not discuss politics on purpose on the show because people use the show as an escape from the world. It's nice. And that's great. And we want to do that as well. We love that. Yeah. It's why it's a small town.

You can kind of put yourself in another setting with some weird shit that's going on. In the summertime, you can experience snow. That's what I'm saying. And you can have that. You can, you know, oh, what's it like to be murdered in a small town in Alabama or something? And you can kind snow. That's what I'm saying. You can have that. You can, you know, oh, what's it like to, what's it like to be murdered in a small town in Alabama or something? And you can,

you can kind of do that. But then sometimes the world happens and it can't be ignored and it just can't be ignored. And when you, especially when you're talking about things like murder

and that sort of thing, it really can't be ignored. So we're just saying that we're trying. We understand. We went through a lot of back and forth of what we were going to do this week. And we said, do we put out an episode? And we, well, some people depend on this.

This is, it's not that we're important. We're not saying that. But some people go, I have my shows that I listen to that, you know, no matter what I did that day or craziness that goes on, I can sit at the end of the day and I can listen to a podcast or when I'm commuting or something, I can listen to a show and it clears my mind of other things. And then maybe I'm not such an asshole to other people, whatever. So we thought, you know, it would be appropriate to do the show. But we needed to address something. You have to say it.

You have to say this is all shit. Yeah, the world is going to shit in a very, very quick way, obviously. We don't mean to depress you before a comedy show here, but it obviously is going to shit. And we, you know, our stance on the whole thing. I don't know if you've listened to the show. If you're new to the show, this is a really strange introduction. Go back and listen to Marmaduke last week and then then catch up with us you know go back this is you know the show is great to listen to for your first time but maybe not this opening part this isn't exactly what we

do ever in 174 episodes we've never discussed anything like this but when we're discussing the world and we're discussing inevitable police actions and things like that you can't not bring it up right and uh you know we've had fun with people who are criminals and we've had fun with uh idiots who've been taken down by the cops and things like that but even more fun with terrible police officers that's the thing too is that that they're okay our stance on the whole thing is uh any sort of corruption from power especially is the worst possible form of anything it is because a normal person fucking around even a mob boss doesn't have the backing of they don't have any tanks and they don't have like you know tactical gear and the authority to do that sort of shit and stuff like

that so and the difference is a plumber's mistake yeah is exactly there's less at stake there's less at stake yeah obviously you have you know a doctor fucks up and kills somebody but still that's really not on purpose or not even like careless they're really trying hard there's no doctor that's like ah fuck i was thinking about my golf game and they're concentrating that's important to them too they don't you know they sued for a lot of money and things like that even if they cared nothing about human beings living or dying they would care about themselves they care about themselves yeah there's our show is we are we're anti-murderer but whether it's a hillbilly uh you know what we'll take like a couple weeks ago whether it's uh a family who buries a guy digs him up and stabs him because he shoots him because he's waving a bayonet around at children at two o'clock in the morning and acting like a lunatic.

So they shoot him and bury him, whether it's that, which there's probably maybe better ways to handle it, or whether it is what happened in fucking Minneapolis. Bad. Yeah, fucking bad. The worst. The worst. and when it's somebody in authority it's way worse that's what we're trying to get at here so uh we spent way too much time uh trying to get there but you know what we're fucking uncomfortable right we're uncomfortable we don't want to say the wrong thing we want to be able to express what we're saying in

a clear way and we're a couple cards on the table i don't know if you can tell we're a couple of white guy comedians right so we're not the authority on how uh how the black community will feel about a police officer doing something we're not and we don't claim to be never you know what i mean we know plenty of black people and how they feel personally but i can't claim to know i'm not a black person i can't claim to know what a black person feels inside about this whole thing because i'm not fucking black i know what i feel about it i'm fucking pissed yeah and i can't imagine i would think it'd be way fucking worse absolutely if it was more personal to it could happen to you more easily so we fucking get it and we we are not blind to the whole thing and we're not tone

deaf to the whole thing no and uh you know we'll we'll catch up with all the you know our email and a pick and patreon everything like that at the end of the show we're not going to waste time with that at the beginning of the show here we wanted to get that out of the way instead and uh you know we're not going to do we'll do the disclaimer it's a goddamn comedy show it's hard to tell so far but we promise comedy show uh murder's real obviously and murder's shit and uh people around murders do stupid fucking things and that's what happens in our show so we make fun of them and uh we have a good time doing it and so let's do that and try to maybe be distracted for a little while by a crazy ass goddamn story because this story jimmy it's one of the wildest ones we've

done as you know because it's a live story i know you were bringing it up beforehand you don't remember any of the details uh jimmy this is in denver and he had some whiskey it's a long story so uh also in denver i was a little oh yeah i don't remember it as much as very legal because denver is a cloudy city for me and it it was snowing outside. There's nothing more beautiful than smoking a joint in the snow when you walk around. It's just gorgeous. So, you know, I can't help myself. What are you going to do? As some of the listeners know, because they found me and hung out with me out there.

They stood in the goddamn snow to come hang out. We did it together. Unbelievable. So that's good. And that's really a point, too, is that our fabric of our show, the people that come out to these shows are fucking unbelievable yeah and they they will go to ends that are that are ridiculous and all different types of people come to our shows and uh and they they everybody kind of keeps their

i don't know they keep it together and everybody gets along and it's nice so that's what i mean we can it gives me a a a hope that that it can fucking change. Things can happen. Hopefully. There are nice people, is what we find out. Unbelievable. There's a lot of nice people, is what we find out from these live shows. Unfortunately, in this story, there's less nice people than we'd like to have here. Let's get into it.

Let's do this. Let's go on a trip, Jimmy. Let's head all the way to New York. Going back to New York, everybody. Last time we were there was Stillwater which the you know that whole case that was a mess with the old lady oh goodness

face down in the snow and then her daughter gets what she deserves great step I only have one granddaughter and she's not you was her exact words which made me really like this lady and be sad she was dead so we're going to bell tear new york last time we did new york it was like upstate

up the hudson river up by canada this is different this is out on long island and it is um long island is another planet if you don't know long island is just a giant island of suburb that kind of extends into very wealthy areas as you get farther and farther down the island and here this is like a little this is like a little outlet of long island on the northern shore it's a little jut so the the whole island's a panhandle it's the definition of a panhandle big strip the whole you could use the whole northeast could this could be the handle for it and then this is a panhandle coming off of a panhandle. So panhandle squared. Watch out, motherfuckers.

It's coming. So it's about an hour 45 to New York City to go there. About three hours to Philly and about four hours up to Stillwater, which was the last episode. It's in Suffolk County here in New York. Zip code 11777 area code 631 it's a small little tip of the island it's 0.9 square miles that's it so not a lot not a lot to it as we'll find out it was meant you know it was meant to be kind of a one property and it got divided into a like a subdivision like a whole area whole town

yeah we'll we'll find out exactly uh what where it is but yeah it's situated on what's known as mount misery oh since the 17th century so scary yeah you didn't name something mount misery because it was real nice and the fishing was good up there i'll tell you what them crappie was button so uh mount misery here let's call it. No, that's... Everybody got skunked. Yeah, your friend was eaten by a bear, and then somebody got a skunk in him, and then somebody else drowned in a tar pit or some shit.

Like, that mountain's fucking miserable. I ain't going up there again. That's some miserable goddamn shit. And since the 17th century, miserable for over 400 years. Fucking unreal, man. That's some serious... it's right when they found it yeah hey this place is miserable isn't it holy shit how much does this place eat dick wow i'm looking around it's a piece of shit oh man miserable mount misery it's this place that way no one will come here yeah they'll know instead now they pay lots of money to live there, which is fucking crazy.

At first, it was Belterre was first referred to as Mount Misery Point. Then they said, I don't know. For a subdivision, it doesn't sound good. You put out a flyer, a little pamphlet back in the day, and people are like, you know, whispering winds, fucking breezy pines. This sounds great. A book really shot it to shit mountain misery point and they're like damn you stephen king okay everybody lose knees around

yeah so what but throughout the 1700s and 1800s most of this area was owned by one family it was the strong family who had uh what they called oakwood Estate in the Mount Misery Neck section. And yeah, this was the first known dwelling in this area. The first known dwelling before they built any houses was a shack constructed by a guy, African-American man named Uncle Mott. Yeah. They didn't even give this guy a fucking last name. Like the applesauce.

Yeah. They were just like, hey, he liked applesauce maybe, and that was it. This poor bastard couldn't even get a fucking name. Nice shack. name the applesauce yeah they were just like hey he liked applesauce maybe and that was it this poor bastard couldn't even get a fucking name nice shack he built the first thing they could have gone hey you built something what's your name nothing just first name sir uncle mott right he seems to like apples i guess fucking ridiculous the uh the artist william moore davis uh had a painting about this of the shack after it was already dilapidated. A hundred years later, he painted it.

Well, a hundred years later, it's a shack, so it's not going to be. Yeah, shacks rarely hold up to weather. Yeah, if no one's taking care of them, they're just going to tumble. Once Uncle Mott died, it's over. You build a shack, eventually the word dilapidated is going to be before it. It's coming. Always. You can't avoid it.

It's either murder or dilapidated it's gonna be before it's coming yeah it's always you can't avoid it it's either murder or dilapidated yeah murder or or fucking or moonshine one of the three death moonshine something's happening it's never positive it's never positive bad things happen in shacks usually not good things no one ever says i had the greatest childhood in a shack yeah it was the best you never hear a ceo ceo, I just bought a new shack. It's amazing. Yeah. It's awesome.

And if he is, he's a dick who's trying to be like a wise ass and cool. Even the B-52s singing Love Shack, that sounds like a gross place to fuck. It sounds disgusting. It sounds like the walls are sweaty in there. Just sweaty because people are entering a shack with no any sort of temperature control and fucking like animals willy-nilly all over the place there's jizz that jizz or sweat i don't know who cares but stay over this spot's dry no disgusting so in 1902 the port jefferson company purchased the

oakwood estate with the purpose of creating an exclusive waterfront development of 50 houses. That's a big place. They wanted to have a big development. It was an ambitious plan to make it like this ritzy area here. One real estate developer named Dean Alvord was chosen as president there, and they started making the Belterre Club. Yeah. And this was to draw people in, because you had to have a jewel around all these houses

to say there's a reason to come here. We need a bushwood. That's right, the Belterre Club, which was a grandiose private members club at the center of the community. Yeah. So they built that, and members only. They wanted to attract rich New Yorkers to come there and make that their new little haven.

So Alvord was friends with the Whitney's, the Vanderbilts, the Astors, the Belmonts. Every fucking— Rich socialite fuck in New York. Rich socialite douche fuck in New York, basically, he was friends with. And they all became charter members of the club. He offered them all free membership so they would draw in the riffraff. York basically he was friends with and they all became charter members of the club he would offer them all free membership so they would draw in the riffraff

anybody who if the Vanderbilts are there well they must be important people I'm an important person so they had the club overlooked Port Jefferson Harbor offered accommodations for a hundred people they had a fireplace in every room.

Impressive. 18-hole golf course, tennis courts, horse shit, private bathing beach. Oh, boy. That sounds gross, too. Sounds like a love shack is in the middle of that private bathing beach. Everybody into the love shack at 3 o'clock when a whistle blows. I hate that they put bathing in there that's what i mean i get that sunbathing is a word but yeah jesus but bathing i feel like i i

picture soap and then it's weird i see suds on the ocean what the fuck once there's soap involved this is get out of the water mortimer that's gross that's what's strange you can swim with people it's fine but once a bar of soap comes in you can't even be in the room when someone's doing it. It's all ruined. They can't be on the phone. It's, I'm over, I have soap on me. So strange. I don't understand why that's such a, that's so different.

As soon as there's soap. Bubbles in your armpits. This is weird. Oh, God. Now it's all weird. But if we're all just bathing in each other's filth together. It's fine. And splashing and frolicking, no problem. But if you want to clean yourself,

hey, take that in private, weirdo. Meanwhile, we all know that we're pissing in there. You just splashed that in my mouth, you fucking jerk. Who knows how clean your ass is. The whole thing is ridiculous. So they printed elegant brochures.

There was advertising saying that this was a place where you could achieve the ideal of a perfect home in perfect surroundings. Everything was beautiful. They built this big pergola thing out by the water for people to sit on there. Then in 1934, it was all destroyed by fire. The whole fucking thing burned down.

Nowhere for the douche shits to go here. The pergolas were also deconstructed because of the upkeep was too much and there was no club anymore since it all burned down and the greatest part is about this well not the greatest i guess but kind of funniest from someone who never went to a country club as a kid or anything like that for two poor kids this is hilarious they there was a lapse in their insurance policy, and so they got nothing from insurance for this whole thing. This thing was uninsured, and they never got to rebuild it.

Whoops-a-daisy. That's it. Oh, who died for that shit? Oh, God. Somebody. Somebody. Oh, God. Looking through their paperwork.

Yeah. This says January. The accountant forgot to cut the check. January to March. We're February. We're not covered in February. Hey, we're not covered in fucking February. What the fuck oh, January. The accountant forgot to cut the check. January to March. We're February. We're not covered in February. Hey, we're not covered in fucking February. What the fuck?

Jesus Christ. That's great. Yeah, I would say here. During the 20s and 30s, after this kind of went out of favor, the place was just kind of sitting there. So a gravel company tried to buy shit and start dredging things and making it like an industrial area. Really?

And the residents had a huge you know they're all rich in this area so it turned out to be a successful campaign against this company they ran them out oh but yeah 50 rich people can run you out of anywhere they can keep anything out of anywhere you could have a million poor people and obviously that doesn't do shit they bought bigger bobcats and ran them off. Yeah, clearly that does nothing. But 50 rich people with a, quote, campaign can get a lot accomplished here. Breaking two Buffy's Boogaloo. Yeah, breaking two. Buffy and Muffy and Buffy's Boogaloo.

Fucking ridiculous. Ridiculous. So, yeah, they were ordered to cease operations in 1931. And now it's known there's a cove here known as Pirate's Cove, which I saw a picture of. And it's just a bunch of douches on jet skis. Not a single pirate to be found. No, really not that fun. I expected more.

I'm going to be honest with you. I hear Margaritaville. There's no pirate around here. No pirate at all. Nothing. Just people with, with like you know big speakers on their jet skis weird shit like they're waterproof i can play i can play buffett even if i go under i'll fucking drown last thing i'll hear is that's it i'll hear that shit, though. That's my last thing I'll fucking hear. Woo! Those aren't house speakers.

Jesus Christ. So, Belter is known for a law that evicted students from a university campus. It was a state university of New York at Stony Brook. There was people living there, students, so they didn't want students to live there together because, you know, they're going to have parties. They fuck off. They're going to do shit together because, you know, they're going to have parties and fuck off. They're going to do shit. Yeah.

So they have fun. Yeah. I have a miserable fucking job. I got to get up for six a.m. So they found a law from like the 1700s that was meant to keep people from fucking. Apparently, that says basically, if you're unrelated by adoption, blood or marriage, you're not allowed to live in the same house together unless the servants don't count of course you can buy people and that's fine but everybody else you're not allowed so they whip that law out to try to keep thank you catholicism roommates are barred in the court obviously said no you can't do that a countess lived there yeah nadia Di Navarro-Farber, a Bulgarian-born countess, lived there.

And she had this giant pink mansion. It's the mansion from the movie She-Devil. Remember the movie She-Devil with Meryl Streep and Roseanne? The big pink house is her house in this. Hilarious. That was Meryl Streep's house in that movie. Yeah, it's this big. And they didn't paint it for the movie.

They picked it because this crazy lady painted this fucking house pink. Hilarious. And it's a big pink eyesore. It's wild looking. It's Pepto-Bismol pink. Hell yeah. It is deep. And she also had this crazy mansion in the Bahamas.

She was a very wealthy woman. Did she sell a shitload of Mary Kay, and that's how she got the house? It seems like it. She also had a Chry a cadillac a chrysler uh 300 of those aries wagons or whatever the fuck they had back then the le baron she's got a bubblegum pink le baron sitting outside the mary k heiress yeah moves into your fucking neighborhood no shit so uh but they ended up tearing the house down finally it was a 30 bedroom 19 000 square foot home my christ which is fucking wild that's a lot of foundation yeah they finally tore it down after she died really they said this is yeah nobody it was an eyesore none of the neighbors

wanted it and to to redo the house cost a lot because it's just it's a giant fucking mansion hilarious so uh yeah that's how that goes here um basically everything about it let's give a review it's all five star reviews because it's all people that live there and here's the most common one quote belterre is one of the most beautiful places to live on long island when you enter the village of belterre you pass through a beautiful gatehouse which gives you a sense of exclusivity. Oh, my. The homes are absolutely stunning throughout Belterre. The beaches are superb, and the people are wonderful. They only stopped because they ran out of positive adjectives to bestow upon this town.

A population of blessed, wondrous people here. Snowy Malibu. Oh, these people. Snowy Malibu. 679. Wow. So it's a small little little outlet very exclusive yeah that's the thing and these places are kind of on their own little planet these little rich towns they don't exist outside of anything else i mean whatever happens inside those gates is another world from everything else very weird it's down 20 since 1990 don't know why people are leaving maybe

they can't afford it yeah we'll talk about it's expensive people are also dying that'll happen people stay here forever median age is 50.6 years old which is way more it's usually 37 there's twice these over 65 population is normal and all the kid demos are low okay like we they're loud right we don't want them around here money elsewhere and moved here to get the fuck away from them or they moved here in 1977 and their kids are grown up and now they're living out their golden years yeah because this is nicer than florida right so married population usually 50 50 here it's about 74 percent so these are old uh they won't get divorced. Too expensive. They're going to stay together forever. Then I'll have to move to Florida.

They stare at each other over breakfast every morning going, am I going to outlive her or is she going to outlive me? What's going to happen? Who's going to have the end of their life be happy? Who's going to be like my aunt? I had this aunt. My Aunt Ottawa was her name. She had this husband and they were fucking together since they were 16 or something.

And back in Italy, they moved here and everything. And then he died. Oh, boy. He dropped dead when they were like 88. And she was the happiest person in the world. She was so happy. She took up. She started.

She'd ride her bike around. Yeah. Fucking ringing bells at people all happy and shit. I've never been happier oh my finally got rid of literally she'd say my finally he went finally my for so long i just want to live my life and he's stick around i'm like he's alive how dare he stick a lot around and live jesus christ she's so openly happy about it. We're like, good Lord. So we shouldn't be sad at all? Weird shit, man.

By the way, lady, you married into this family. He was our blood uncle. So we're kind of mad at you for this. Very weird. Very strange. So there is a very low divorce rate, 2% divorce rate here. Usually about 11%, like I said, that's expensive. And single with no children two percent yeah not

exactly a party town race of this town not a lot of surprise here 92 white uh 0.0 black 4.7 asian there's some asian people there and 2.4 hispanic okay which is uh not a lot let's just say 73 are religious because they're like there must it has to be look at how great everything is why would I be so blessed

have you seen my house there must be a God this is amazing 60% Catholic as we know Catholics are the Baptists of the North

obviously 1.4% Jewish hell yeah oh Hava Nagila Hava it's been a while i don't know the words hey it's been a while we haven't been able to jimmy forgot that we sing 1.6 1.4 that's that's pretty heavy for new york for most areas that we cover long island here uh the politically it's about

45 percent democrat about 51% Republican in this area. It's a wealthy little area that's in the county of Suffolk County there in Long Island. Unemployment rate's about average for now. Median household income is where we get into the other realm. Normally, it's about $57,000 here, $210,250. Four times the national average median household income four times yeah fifty three percent of people make over two hundred thousand dollars a year oh my fifty three percent under thirty thousand dollars four percent four

how many how many spanish i'm gonna say there are i I want to say, 2.4% Hispanic and 1.2% one or more racist. So that's 3.6. I feel like that's very on purpose. Jesus. That's ridiculous. It's not even haves and have-nots. It's just fucking, hey, this is great. Everyone has.

The average citizen here would be like Leonardo DiCaprio laughing at the feds on his yacht in wolf of wall street that's your average citizen just him thrilled but even even with the the landscapers uh the the low income is in almost 40 grand they're doing okay not there no well yeah you can't really where are they they're living in like thriving they're living in southern jersey and driving up there two and a half hours every day if they make that. So cost of living is a little high, as you'd imagine. 100 is normal par. Here it is 197.1.

Jesus. A little high. And the reason for that is housing is a 390 instead of 100. Median home cost. Jimmy, buckle the fuck. Everybody buckle up. If you're driving, just grip that steering wheel a little harder. $901,300. Median home cost it's fucking snows there dude this is insane uh under 400 000

four percent of the houses are worth under 400 000 so it's they're all expensive yeah and those are like i mean and that's four percent make under $30,000. So if you make under $30,000, good luck buying a $400,000 house. Wowza. So if you need to, well, I think there's nothing else we can do. But check out the Belterre, New York Real Estate Report. Your average rent here, two-bedroom rental is uh three thousand seventy eight dollars which is even possible like manhattan basically that's insane wow that's nuts man two-bedroom apartment oh those people are dicks i found a two-bedroom two-bath

1308 square foot house uh They say it's a magnificent Two bedroom cape on a quiet Dead end street it looks like A shithole and it says lots of potential It looks like it hasn't been lived in In 20 years 379 grand That's the cheapest you're going to find

That's the lowest available here Then I found this three bedroom Three bath 2957 Square foot house It needs a lot of work actually Then I found this three-bedroom, three-bath, 2,957-square-foot house. It needs a lot of work, actually. It's kind of outdated, but it's got these beautiful views overlooking the harbor and all this shit. It's gorgeous. $795,000 for that.

I'm going to be broke my entire life. Oh, that's what I mean. I'm not doing this. That sounds amazing. And then here, I have house number three. Five bedroom, eight bath. Yeah. Tea bowl for every b-hole, everybody.

And some to spare. And a couple extra for the neighbors. 7,000 square feet. Wow. That's going to cost you $4.6 million, though. Okay. Enjoy that. That's it.

It's beautiful. It's a gorgeous house. Fuck. I'd have to sell everything everybody i know ever gave you and owns themselves and parents ever had jesus christ things my mom would have to die six times oh six times over jesus christ things to do here this is just ridiculous i won't even go over what it has i'm just there's a few things uh it's the charles dickens festival yeah and they claim this is enough right here they claim a gingerbread confection display yeah okay and quote live elves oh no live elves what if we get to dead ones um

where the fuck are you breeding elves there's no such thing as an elf so where are you getting live elves that is creepy as shit and the pictures of this shit oh my god jimmy there's people walking around as dickens characters so people are chimney sweeps oh boy so what does a chimney sweep have all over them jimmy um coal uh yes soot right which is what color that's black as shit and so what happens when you put black all over your face in america into 2020 canceled you look like an asshole so there's a shitload of people in blackface walking around thinking that look at me i'm participating in literary history when you're looking they just look like people in fucking blackface it's ridiculous and they have like period clothes on too so it's like hey look at me i'm an asshole from 100 years ago can't do that it's wrong so uh but live elves yeah

so hey there's that crime rate i'd be more impressed if they had dead ones dead dead elves elves we captured they died in captivity and now we froze them and put them on display for you we have little pins in them on a board that to show you their genus and their species. I would believe they're real if they had like a, you know, like a dodo bird, like a sample. Oh, my God, there are elves. Holy shit, suspended animation elves. So crime rate in this town, property crime, is 75% under the national average. So safe.

It's only about 25% here. I don't need to steal your shit. I got more. I got my own shit. Once in a while, someone will wander in there to steal someone's shit, probably. But I'm sure they're caught quickly and dispatched up in the bay. Jesus Christ. Pirates.

Yeah. We're going to show you why. It's Paul Pirate Cove. That's not the cops either that's just fucking a gang of rich people you're killed by the tune of margaritaville that's blackwater that's a fucking private combat company they brought over from a unit from fallujah to take over and check it out drawn and quartered while they all sing do you like pina colada yeah underwater so uh violent crime murder rape robbery and

assault the mount rushmore of crime uh non-existent pretty much under 10 it's under 10 of the national average it's like eight percent of the national average it doesn't happen ever pretty much just non-existent everything's great that said yeah let's talk about a murder all right there's always one damn it i'll find it i don't care if it is fucking haven oh we're gonna destroy this goddamn place let's do it and smell the cigars oh man you can well you're gonna smell the cigars smell the cigars because i guarantee you this guy smoked one uh seymour tankliff let's talk about t-A-N-K-L-E-F-F, and his wife here, Arlene. Now, they are about 60 years old here, residents of Beltaire.

They have a nice house. They're very successful. Now, Seymour here, I can't say Seymour and not think of Little Shop of Horrors, but Seymour. We will feed him. We will feed him, damn it. Seymour looked like someone's been feeding him. Yeah. He's a-

Big guy. He looks- When someone says, oh, you fat, happy, rich bastard, like- It's just a picture of this guy. This smile on a guy with like a- With a cigar in his mouth and like a- Tommy Bahama shirt open. Yeah, a big fucking thumbs up over here.

That round, firm belly. Yeah, he's got- That's like very well fed and taken care of he's got the physique of rush limbaugh basically like that's what he's fat and happy that's what he looks like yeah which is not a good look for anybody including rush limbaugh so that's what he kind of looks like though so what jewish obviously here the tankliff family uh tankliff is uh his father was were was an immigrant so he's from russia and his father came in and like i said he's got a russian immigrant father who came over in

the hard regiment this is a hard times yeah this guy his father came up like during the rough russian revolution and shit survive and son of a bitch survive and son of a bitch exactly so his father started uh businesses in brooklyn Brooklyn and ended up having a chain of poultry stores that he started. So he built up from a small thing and built up all this chain of poultry stores. So that was a good example for Seymour to see. And Seymour eventually marries his wife, Arlene, and they have a couple of girls. So that's a nice little family they never have the boy they wanted oh he needs that they never had the boy yeah and they get to be a

little older and they're in their 50s and they they decide that they have a lot and they didn't ever Martin's been working so or I'm sorry the Seymour's been working so, or I'm sorry, the Seymour's been working so much, so they haven't really had a chance to settle down, kind of be a family. So they decide to adopt a child. That's great. Yeah. They adopt a young boy named Martin. That's where the Martin came from. Everybody calls him Marty.

Yeah. So they adopt Marty. So they got Marty. And then so Marty is this lucky kid, basically. Yeah. He hit the adoption jackpot. Smiling every day. Oh, my God.

Think about it. Think of Little Orphan Annie. They're sitting there fantasizing. This is what they're fantasizing about. They're going to take me to a big house. They have a big pool. Right. And it's like this nice place.

And they get whatever you want. I'm not going from foster home to foster home until I'm 19. And then I finally go do my own life. This guy's going to raise me. Until you go to jail? Yeah, right. No, this guy got group home. He got put in heaven, basically.

Smiling every day. A rich. They call him Marty the Party. Marty the Party. Living it. Yeah, woo. Every picture of him. I just gave it a woo, yeah, fuck yeah.

That's what I had to do. Devil horns every day all day woo motherfucker yeah i won party party woo he wakes up every day and goes it's not a dream this is amazing this is so much better than when i was just sleeping i was dreaming and i wasn't dreaming of anything near as amazing as the thread count yeah it's insane just even just that the thread count these people you know when you dream and it's fantastic and then you wake up and your life is better than your dream that's why you know how that happens all the time well happens to me every day motherfucker so yeah and then they're older his sister's you know an adult

out of the house and all that so he grows up kind of as an only child in the house. Jesus Christ. Just like with these older parents, and he does what he wants. Oh, it's amazing. And he's a nice kid, too, everybody says here. Now, Seymour is in business at this point. Seymour has bagel money. Yeah.

He's been into the bagel business for a long time now. This is where he kind of transferred from poultry stores to bagel money yeah he's been into the bagel business for a long time now this is uh where he kind of transferred from poultry stores to bagel stores and he's in business with let's say a few shady characters uh back east i've explained this a couple times but in case you haven't heard it back east everybody's a little crooked sure that's the thing um there's very few people i've ever met that are like on the up and up back there like i don't know anyone back home in new york who ever actually got back in new york you have to have a sticker on your car that says it's inspected inspected sticker says all on the windshield i don't know anyone who's actually got that sticker through an inspection where they went

to a place and they said inspect my car and the man said sure and then he put a sticker on it and you paid him the correct amount all of this is on uh the up yeah your car is perfect i literally have never heard of someone doing that like ever know where to go wouldn't even know because the guy would be like yeah just give me 20 bucks i don't know what the fuck yeah obviously i'm gonna look at your car i don't care they don't give a fuck what do they care yeah you slap it on there when it leaves shit could have broke i don't know it's not like they're fuck. What do they care? What do I care? Yeah. You slap it on there. When it leaves, shit could have broke. I don't know. It's not like they're going to go back to them and go, you inspected this car, and then it was out on the road.

I don't know what the fuck happened between here and the road. That's their problem. I inspect so many cars. That's their problem. It was fine when I looked at it. That's why it's got a sticker. Does it have a sticker on it? That means it was great.

I don't fucking know. It's uncheckable. So it's just you pay for the inspection, you give the guy 20 bucks and you get a sticker. That's kind of how everything is. If you want something, you look through nefarious means at first. Can I get it cheap? No, then I'll pay retail.

That's what I mean. I'm looking for a new TV. Anyone who's in that business or whatever. I guess I got to go to Best Buy. So that's how it is so everyone's a little shady circuit city yeah and especially anybody who owns any sort of business back east like a restaurant or anything like that they are there's someone mixed in that's shady they're you know doing something under the table for the garbage collectioners there's always something

going on supply is cheap or whatever, right? Nothing is on the up and up, basically, because everything's controlled by certain entities, and it's a different thing. It's too much finger fucking, everybody. Everyone's finger fucking. That's the way it works. It's too much.

It's a lot. It's very complicated, but it's built up over time. So he's in business with a guy named Jerry Steuerman. Now, Jerry Steuerman is a ridiculous looking man. Yeah. He's got this fucking weird hair. I don't even know how to describe this guy, but he looks like he definitely, definitely saw Goodfellas a few times. Oh, boy.

And is very enthusiastic about it. He loves them. Loves it. Yeah. He definitely has some shady shady dealings but he's also a legitimate business guy as well he owns a bunch of restaurants he's got you know bagels restaurants with seymour and all this type of shit so like everybody else he's not all shady or all good he's just kind of like people back there he's doing a little bit of both here. Now, apparently, Seymour and Jerry, who've been in business for a while, this year, this summer, decided that they were going to break off their relationship, business relationship here.

They're done with the relationship, or at least Seymour is, and he wants to break it off with Jerry. with the relationship, or at least Seymour is, and he wants to break it off with Jerry. Now, Jerry, he's got like, his necklace is a gold bagel. Like, literally, he's got a gold bagel pendant on his necklace. Looks like a butthole on his chest. Basically looks like he's got a little hole, a little butthole on his chest here.

So he's a Homer Simpson enthusiast. He looks like a little donut. So he's got a gold bagel necklace. He's got like the he's got like the Guinea fro going on, like Frankie Carbone and Goodfellas is what he looks like. And he always had fancy cars and he has jewelry all over him and bracelets and rings and New York guy. Flashy gambler always to always gambling. And like I said, said million guys like this back back home it's just what a blast that must be very normal too oh yeah he's gotta be hey comes home at six in the morning what are you breaking my balls for so I make a living okay

like Henry Hill when he comes home what is wrong with you normal people don't act like this. You're not even wearing your gold butthole. Jerry, you come home, 6 a.m., you're not wearing your butthole. What am I supposed to think? What am I supposed to think? Where's your butthole, Jerry? Then maybe we can talk about it. What, did you give it to one of your whores? Is that what happened, Jerry?

Unbelievable. She's got your butthole now perfect perfect jerry never mind but trode your butt your butt trode no that was fun stormin had a reason for i guess wanting to be flashy he's he came from hard kind of a tough background as well i feel you buddy his yeah he basically he was he worked in bagel factories when he was younger and we're talking big coal-fired ovens and the workers would work it's so hot and steamy in there that the workers are in their underwear working like new jack city like they're processing fucking crack it's crazy

that's not how they're made it's fucking why so yeah if you uh next time you eat a bagel you wonder how that whole guy exactly there's a guy in his underwear a very sweaty man in his underwear whose job that is right you know how hard it is he's a well-paid man too because it's hard to keep an erection for an eight-hour shift you know what i mean that's a difficult task bagel fluffers he's like jesus christ yeah boy not even it's the bagel business you got to keep yourself hard there's no fluffers here to work fucking think this is what is your dick on a union break what do you think this is hollywood the fuck in there what do you got to stand in now fuck those bagels let's go mister you'd think that bagels uh versus

poultry is a smarter play because poultry you got to fucking have a supplier of chickens you know what i mean yeah you just seen eggs you make your own shit plus bagels became uh caught on yeah in the 70s big deal in the 70s and it's been into the 80s bagels kind of became this national phenomenon whereas always bagels before that were just kind of a new york thing kind of a new york you know everybody in new york ate them but otherwise it was like i got me a bagel right i don't know what the hell this is it turned to like this whole idea that that was a little healthier than a donut meanwhile you're shellacking five pounds of cream cheese on it and whatever the hell else people it's still more fat than a donut and we put eight ounces of it cheese on it and whatever the hell else people are putting on that shit. Can I get low-fat cream cheese? It's still more fat than a donut.

And we put eight ounces of it on there. It doesn't matter. We put an entire package of Philadelphia cream cheese. If I hit you in the head with this, you'd be out. This could be a murder weapon. It's big. As a matter of fact, that's how this murder occurs this week. There's a bagel.

Drill in the face of the bagel. Cream cheese all over them they're gonna match it to the owner so stewerman ended up branching out into long island and opening up his own bagel shop in merrick on long island in the 1960s so he was kind of a bagel yeah an early adopter of the bagel plan here then he expanded into suffolk county in the 1980s when it was really blowing up there. And an ex-business partner of his remembers Jerry as a, quote, stand-up guy. So that tells you a lot there. He's a stand-up guy. That means his friends call him a stand-up guy.

Nobody's ever been called a stand-up guy that was legit a stand-up guy. That means that if you guys do crime together he won't tell on you if he gets arrested that means that's a good guy back east style guy won't even tell the cops back east style he'll take the he'll take the hit on his own it's not a rat hilarious stand-up guy so they became business partners though jerry stewerman and seymour tankliff became business partners in the 1980s and then what ends up happening is sewerman ends up being heavily in debt from different business ventures and also gambling he's heavy into gambling old jerry and he borrows five hundred thousand dollars cash from seymour at a high rate of interest too he's got a there, there's a fucking vig on this. Yeah. So this is what I mean.

This isn't like a friend helping a friend. Tankliff is one of those guys who's got a half million dollars cash just hanging out that he can just loan out. Yeah. That's just like,

I don't need that. It's not like, oh boy, I can't, I better get that back next month, right? No, it's not even that.

It's just, you know, almost like to have this over him so then he could fucking kind of take his part of the business and that's also part of why people do this business wise five hundred thousand dollars is a lot of bagels and this is in the 80s too so we're talking a shitload of money to have cash to lend in the 80s probably three four dollars a bagel at the time not even i mean if you just go

in for like one that's toasted with cream cheese shit a dollar and 75 probably so many yeah that's a lot of bagels you're selling it's a lot of bagels today they're like six bucks i mean you can overcharge for locks but i mean other than that it's difficult you know so uh the 500 grand and i had with a vig interest rate of 35 percent jesus and it was secured by what stewartman shares in the bagel stores so this is his way of busting him out. And also several racehorses that Steuerman owned. He also is kind of up for collateral. So basically, yeah, if he pays back, then great.

He paid back and Tankleff made a bunch of money in interest. And if he doesn't pay it back, he's got his own bagel stores, bumps out his business partner, and he's got a couple new racehorses. So there's really no lose here. He's really got him by the golden bagel. He's got him right by the golden butth own bagel stores, bumps out his business partner, and he's got a couple new racehorses. So there's really no lose here. He's really got him by the golden bagel. He's got him right by the golden butthole bagel, right by the guinea fro. Right by the golden butthole. My golden butthole.

Hilarious. So the partnership apparently was going very badly because Steuerman had stopped repaying Seymour loans that he had. He had a monthly nut he had to pay Seymour. And he stopped doing that, basically. And they were kind of, at that point, kind of positioning for control of the bagel stores. So Seymour was trying to secure his bagel, his spot in the bagel empire. And Seymour was trying to bump Steuerman out of the bagel empire, basically. bagel empire and seymour was trying to bump stewartman out of the bagel empire basically so uh yeah seymour said he told a friend of his that uh jerry had recently tried to get out from

under his weekly payment there today and basically i need some more time and instead uh seymour had insisted that stewartman make the payments to him and bring them to him they have a weekly poker game right where it's a bunch of rich fat fucks that sit in a room and play poker and at this weekly poker game is when jerry's supposed to make his his payments basically come on by gamble with us and you know and drop my pay up motherfucker that's what it is now stewerman's an interesting guy a little background on him here uh besides the bagels and shit yeah in 83 his son todd was arrested for selling cocaine out of a bagel store that jerry owns oh no yeah it's a little that looks shitty that looks bad yeah that looks that doesn't look good at all here uh the case here now the case was given to

uh the his lawyer on the case was a guy named Gerald Sullivan. His law partner, Gerard Sullivan's law partner, was a guy named Thomas J. Spada. Remember that name, by the way, Thomas J. Spada, because later on he'll be the Suffolk County District Attorney. Oh, no. Some interesting things go on with him. So, yeah, this was the people who defended Steuerman's son Todd in this cocaine dealing thing. Now, according to the police report, Todd Steuermann, who ended up being convicted because he sold to an undercover officer,

they have him on recording to the undercover officer saying, quote, Just call here anytime you want more blow. My father owns the place, so it's cool. He did this on the phone. Yeah. Anytime you want. No, he told him just call oh just call me anytime he had a body mic on wow just call here anytime you want more

blow my father owns the place so it's cool in other words so jerry knows about it too is what he basically said my father's given us the very well aware yeah that's that's the thing here uh one of his uh secretaries said quote about stew, he wore his capizios and gold rings and pinky rings. He tried to be everybody's friend, but people often shied away from him because he was trying to come off like a gangster as well. His next door neighbors described him as an ostentatious man who drove a Jaguar and took frequent trips to Florida. You know, like a gangster, basically. to florida you know of like a gangster basically and uh apparently uh seymour recently here this is of the summer 1988 had told jerry that he he needs to pay every week and not to fuck with him it's not seymour ain't taking no shit from storming so the night of september 6th 1988

here uh marty party marty yeah now he's obviously doesn't know any of this shit he's just he's just September 6th, 1988. Here. Marty. Party Marty. Yeah. Now, he obviously doesn't know any of this shit. He's just living the fucking life. He's 17. Smiling his ass off. He's feeling great. You don't care what your parents are doing and their work and their friends.

I don't know. They're like 60. Whatever the fuck they do. He's busy at Tower Records finding the newest album. And that's what he's doing. Night of September 6th, 1988. He's hanging out at the mall. Yeah.

That's where he goes to the mall that night. Long Island Mall, 80s. This is very atypical. Remember when that was a thing? To go to the mall just to hang out. Yeah. You don't even buy anything. I think there's other people would be there.

The only thing you buy is an Orange Julius. You'd try that and then you'd be like, hey, I hope there's girls here. And then you'd just look at them and be like, oh, we could all talk to them. I wish that, I don't know what I wish. Yeah, I wish something, damn it. I wish something was different here. I really want them i wish that uh i don't know what i wish yeah i wish something damn it i wish something was different here i really want to touch her i just don't know where i don't know how or where or i don't know how to get her to let her to touch me i don't

know where i don't know how to get her to do that either yeah but i'm not really sure how i don't know that's the thing how i do it i can't she would do that i don't know how to get her to let me do things or to get her to want to do things to me i don't know how to get her to let me do things or to get her to want to do things to me. I don't know how to do either of those. So I'm going to let's just stand over here and look at her. I'll wait. No, don't you. You wave. Dude, you wave.

You got the best fucking looked at her. You got the best wave. I can wave. You got the best wave in the group, bro. Come on. I do. I do the finger thing. You know, I don't like that.

You're the waiver, man. You know that shit. Come on. Do the wave. Get her. You know that shit. Come on. Do the wave. Get her attention. There she is. Do it. It's like we were in Vegas one time and my cousin, I forget.

We went to some fucking someplace where you had to, like, get in. And I don't know the whole deal. So with, like, a bouncer on that. Yeah, but it was a we had an arrangement, but I don't remember the whole deal. So my cousin sends me up because he says, you talk to him. And I said, why? And he said, you have the nicest pants on. What the fuck does that mean?

You have the nicest pants on? Well, then you go shopping. I don't know what you're talking about. Like he knew the person who was getting us in. And he wanted me to relay it because of my pants. I'm like, I don't even know who I'm saying I know. Talk to him. You fucking idiot him you're wearing levi's your ass looks great he's like don't make me say it don't make me say it your bulge looks amazing just got i can see your cock vape all right fine it's turning me on what do you want from me go talk to him or kind of guy

am i you know what i mean talk to him, when you're doing it, just like nod downward so maybe his head will drop down and he'll catch a glimpse of it because then we're in. I know we're getting in. We're in. So the night of September 6th, Marty's at the mall doing all of this stuff that we just mentioned. And Seymour has his old man poker game that night. He's going cigars and a bunch of old guys betting things and whiskey who knows what they're betting

you know young asian women yeah i don't know what they're betting with i got a 12 year old tie girl i got the rights to an 11 year old ties tie boy what do you think butthole tighter than your than your bagel pendant mister so uh this goes on until about 3 a.m., this poker game. So it's one of these old-timey, oh, it's an all-night poker game. And he's a first-generation Russian born here. Is he born here, or was he from? He's born here. Parents are immigrants.

First generation. He's living large. There's vodka on the table, is what we're getting at here. A classy one. Yeah. A nice one. That's what I'm saying. Doesn't taste like rubbing alcohol.

No, it's a good, it's a good, that's a smooth. Do you put cranberry in that? I've never heard of this brand. I will fucking kill you. Never even heard of this brand. What is it? So Marty just turned 17, by the way. He's just turned 17.

So he goes home after the mall. He doesn't pay much attention to his dad's old man poker game. He does his thing. He goes to bed. He gets up the next morning, September 7th, Marty does. He awakes at 6 a.m. Wakes up 6 a.m., gets out of bed, wanders into the hallway. He sees lights on in his father's study there still.

That's where the poker game was. It's in his father's study. So his father's got a room that's not even like the living room. It's just a spare room that's big enough to have a long poker game yeah that's awesome it's like that's a good life this is before man caves this is like a study you touch my place yeah this isn't even this isn't even a man cave there's built-in shelves this is my cave yeah he's got built-in shelves yeah that's like there's right it's serious there's fucking like wood shelves that are they are indented into the fucking dry yeah do you think he has one of those ladders that you like oh for sure back and forth so you can get on the wheels yeah those are awesome yeah

those are cool someday i'm in a house where i need one of those that's my goal i'm gonna have empty bookshelves oh yeah the ladder there but i'm only gonna put books up on the top that's what i'm gonna put any books I have. And then you work down. That's how it works, because I want to climb up there. Hold on. I'll get that book for you. Why don't you put it on the bottom?

You have a whole shelf of all homicide. That is weird. Why would I have this ladder? Duh. Jesus. Fucking people. Is that all David Simon? That is impressive.

Wow, that's a lot of that. You would be horrified if you saw my reading collection you really would it's all crazy weird shit it's like your inbox like my inbox exactly so martin marty sees the lights on and that's he knew the poker game was in there so uh sometimes his dad will not off in the study and leave lights on if he's working in there late or whatever the fuck so martin goes in the study to see what's going on see if his dad will not off in the study and leave lights on if he's working in there late or whatever the fuck. So Martin goes in the study to see what's going on, see if his dad's still in there, if the light just got left on. Opens the door, and the first thing he sees is his father, which is expected, except unexpectedly, he's bloody and unconscious. And clearly the victim of something that has punctured his skin because he has a

stab wounds marty i can't tell at first but there's clear clearly large holes in him because there's a lot of blood coming out of him and uh it all are it's all over the place seymour's apparently wearing the same clothes he had on at the poker game which had broken up about three hours earlier martin immediately calls 9-1-1 there, he says, you know, he says, gets on the phone. This is a recording quote. This is Marty Tankliff, 33 Seaside Drive in Belterre. I need an ambulance. It's an emergency.

That's the first thing he said. Doc Holliday's on the loose. He's on the loose, damn it. So they end up putting him through. He says, I'm Martin Tankliff. I'm his son. He's gushing blood from the back of the neck. He's got a cut. Oh, no. That him through he says i'm martin tankliff i'm his son he's gushing blood from the back of the neck he's got a cut oh no that's what he says there uh so you know they

don't know what happened they said what happened to him he said i don't know i just woke up he's in his office he's gushing blood please is all he says so uh they said all right is this a private house he says yes uh they go back and forth martin says it's a red driveway i guess for when you come here i figured the ambulance could probably find it but you never know back then this is pre-gps we got the address we got it we're good 33 so they said we're sending an ambulance he said i want you to take a clean towel and he says wrap the 911 operator says wrap wherever he's gushing blood from he's just trying to give him you know minor first aid instructions here he says tells martin to hold pressure on it

tells him to lay him down if possible get his feet elevated and wait for the ambulance basically so uh what he does is martin attempts to do this stuff i I guess. And then, I guess at some point, according to Martin here, he stops, decides to stop holding pressure on it, because he's supposed to hold pressure on it for a while. He just stops and decides to explore the rest of the home at this point, which is interesting. I'm not allowed in this house.

Yeah, you know what? I feel like Dad has porn in that one. You know, this... That one bookshelf up at the top of the ladder. I feel like behind the David Simon room. I want to go look at some stuff behind the David Simon. There's porn. I know I'm not going to have any objections right now.

Now, what he does, though, is he explores the rest of the house, as he says, and he ends up finding in the master bedroom. He finds his mother, Arlene, in there. She has also been attacked. Oh, no. attacked clearly and she is clearly not even alive she's not unconscious she is dead and uh very very bloody so uh police arrive at the scene and what we have is martin standing here he's not holding pressure on the wound and two stabbed people nobody else in the house and martin's sitting here who's found him adopted saying i found him not to mention he had gotten on

he got a nose job i don't know if that was his birthday present in long island basically oh boy long island that's your rite of passage in long island it's all italians and jewish people so when you're 16 you get a nose job for your birthday period or 17 that we all need them that's it i for some reason i got fucking lucky but most of you most of you guineas out there and all the jewish people out there sometimes you guys need nose jobs all of us and uh on long island it's a very popular practice to get your teen a nose job so uh lots of people that can't see can't see the periphery to the right or left yeah so he got that 10 days earlier so he looks like he's been in a fight oh god his

eyes are black and his and his nose is all bruised and mangled so when the police see that they immediately go two dead people one of them's a guy. You look like you got a busted nose. Let's hold you for a minute here. We're going to talk to you. And Martin, Marty here, volunteers to the officers. Right away, he says, I think it was my dad's business partner, Jerry

Steuerman, who did this. That's what I think anyway. That's what I would put it on. So the cops are like, oh, and he's solving the case for us, too. Isn't he helpful? You're a real party, sir. Yeah. Sir, what's your name?

What a coincidence. So, yeah, that's how it works there. Martin says that, you know, he thinks that Tankler, that's that's what's his name? Steuerman was Seymour and Steuerman are very close. Steuerman was the last to leave the tank live house that night. So, yeah, the police arrive here and they kind of suspect Marty, obviously, we'll say here. Now, this this whole thing, they ask him, you know, they ask him what he knows about everything. The police arrive at six.37 a.m.

They take Martin to a police car. They place him in the front seat of the police car. Marty asks if he could go back into the house to wash the blood off of him. He has blood from trying to help his dad. And they said, no, you have to sit there. He can't go into the house. It's a crime scene, so he can't go back in there. So he sits in the car for an hour.

At 7.39, Detectiveccready arrives at the scene and he's going to be the kind of main guy here he walks through the house comes outside talks to martin uh asked martin to wait for him in the police car starts questioning marty at about 7 55 a.m okay and uh they interrogate martin several times here they ask him what he did the night before. Martin described going shopping at the mall with several friends and leaving. He said after he got home, he ate some dinner. He took a shower. He went to bed. He said he set his alarm for 535 a.m.

He woke up at 610 and he had to snooze a few times. I'm not perfect here. I'm only 17. He said he noticed the lights were on at the house, looked in parents bedroom and there's no lights on he didn't see anyone so he went into the study found his father in a chair in his desk bleeding called 9-1-1 you know he got the pillow and the towel he put his father on the floor and then he said he wanted to go look through the house to find his mother because he was worried about his mother that's why he left his dad so he said he saw his mother's body on the floor next to the bed and he then telephoned his sister once he found his mother which is an odd thing he tells phones his sister sherry to tell her what happened

marty you're not doing yourself any favors bud no that's a weird thing go put pressure on your dad's neck you know what i mean save the guy yeah so martin again told detective mccready that he believes stewerman probably did this and uh following that mccready goes back to the detective here goes back to the tank lift residence looks through the crime scene a little more you know going through everything about 8 10 a.m more another sergeant comes and he inspects the house as well mccready introduces sergeant doyle who just showed up to martin and asked martin to explain to the sergeant comes and he inspects the house as well mccready introduces sergeant doyle who just showed up to martin and asked martin to explain to the sergeant what he'd done the previous evening have him repeat his story basically is what they do so he repeats it a

second time 8 15 a.m another detective comes he joins the the group so now we got three stooges and martin and uh martin's asked to repeat his story a third time and martin stayed in the car and talked to them and uh they believe from three different tellings of the story that they found some inconsistencies in the telling of the events of the morning basically and the prior and the yeah and the prior evening so they asked martin to come down to the police station for further questioning and And the inconsistencies appeared as this. Martin did not appear to have blood on his clothes at that point, which was an odd thing. One of the retellings of his story had him awakening six minutes earlier than another retelling because he was giving exact times.

That's weird. Which is a weird thing. I don't know. How long does it take you to wake up? That's weird. Which is a weird thing. I don't know. How long does it take you to wake up? That's what I'm saying. I mean, I got out of my bed at 6 o'clock, but 6.15-ish, 6.17? I mean, wake up, I'm still not really up.

I've got to be honest with you. I haven't had my coffee yet. 6.23, I still had a boner. Yeah, but I guess he gave the same time twice and then one of the times he gave six minutes earlier, he also said he said, oh, there was a discrepancy between the times. He said he had showered the evening before, said different times. And he also said that he could not see his mother when he first looked into the bedroom. But the detectives could easily see her body when they looked into the room from the doorway.

So he said he had to go in to find her. And they go, she's right fucking there. are you talking about uh so that was that they get there the sun's up a little more well yeah it's september uh sun's up pretty early too so uh martin said he looked into the room at 6 11 a.m and uh yeah the the sunrise that morning didn't occur till 6 25 so they're saying that could account for that so uh yes they that was so there they were like okay that's fine plus martin wasn't wearing his glasses when he looked into his parents bedroom and he wasn't looking for a body on the floor so the detectives are saying yeah we're looking on the floor he's looking on the bed and if she's not there he's going what the

fuck you're not looking on the floor so that makes sense so the detectives mccready and rain they said uh they do consider him to be a suspect, they say, with each other by about 835 that morning. Some of the inconsistencies are a little too much for them. They request Martin to come back to police headquarters and so they can get for they say we need further background info. Why don't you tell us more about that Steuerman guy, too? Yeah. Tell us about him. Now, they said, you know, know you know didn't he didn't

have to go he's not under arrest but he goes so the the thing is later on because his dad's still alive seymour's alive he's unconscious in the hospital all of his family goes there by 11 o'clock they go where the fuck is marty yeah why is he not here he should be here the cops didn't tell them that they took him to the police station. Filthy fucking bastards. Yeah, they just took him down there. And then finally, when the family members become alarmed, they ask an officer at the hospital, can you find Marty, please? So this officer talked to Detective McCready, who then reported back to the family members that Martin was going to the police headquarters to tell police about his father's relationship to try to help the police find the murderer and that we'll take him to the hospital

when we're done with him don't you worry we'll bring him there they don't say he's a suspect because they'll immediately hire him a fucking lawyer because they have money and they would like to not have that happen so if i'm marty too when the cops oh by the no miranda rights at all none this is he he has not been considered a quote you have to soon as it turns to you're a suspect you got to mirandize him they still haven't mirandized him and they've asked him for a story three times and taken him to the fucking police station as and as a 17 year old your mom's dead uh you're a little in shock dad's uh yeah clearly in distress and these aren't even your birth parents people that have been taking care of you

you're you don't want to be in that fucking house no i don't want to be there probably not i will go with you guys yeah let's go and plus bagel yeah well either way even if i did it i'm gonna act like i'm fucking i'm on your side and if i didn't do it i'm gonna want to get the fuck out of here one of the two here so uh they tell him all about that now uh the reason was they never they never really ask anything else about Jerry Steuerman. They go right into Martin about his involvement in here. So when Detective McCready is alone with Martin in the police car on the way to the station, he asks Martin a little more about discovering the body and the 911 call and all of that.

At the station, he's further questioned, this time by Detectives Rain and McCready. This starts at 940 a.m. They question him without interruption for two hours. Okay. By the way, no Miranda yet. Nothing. No rights read, anything like that. It's a 10 by 10 windowless room, a fucking interrogation room.

And, you know, these are McCready's a 225 pound over six foot tall kind of big guy. And, you know, they're both rain is six foot two 200 pounds they're both big guys martin's five eight 150 and 17 you know and with a new nose yeah and a 10 by 10 room with these guys so i don't want to fucking scuffle with them i got a new nose yeah you're gonna you want to help i assume so they begin the interrogation the detectives do with some small talk and then it escalates to being very accusatory very quickly. McCready challenges Martin, basically says, how come I haven't seen you cry at all over this whole attack? I haven't seen you cry.

And Martin said that he cried before the police got there. And the detective Rain said, that's a short period of grief, don't you think? You cried for 10 minutes while you're waiting for the ambulance, and now you're fine. Well, some people deal with shit later. Some people deal with the whole thing. Their body doesn't do that. And then later on, they have a breakdown at the end of the day. Or some people...

Maybe next week. You never know. Some people... Also, he's adopted. We don't know what the fuck he's been through. Oh, Jesus. This may be minimal. Yeah.

He could have seen his mother beheaded in front of him when he was four for all we know he could have dexter's background we have no fucking idea he could have been raped by foster parents that's what i'm saying we have no clue what his emotional officer this is minimal yeah what his emotional well is like how deep it is basically grown man walking towards you yeah naked with a boner you ever seen that that'll make you cry have you ever seen airplane ever seen a grown man naked you ever been in a turkish prison so uh the movie's great the detectives again they they find more inconsistencies with marty's story and they go over again with him the events events these events here they keep going over and over him they also challenge him about the times when did you do this did you do this or do that did

you get dressed then or did you get dressed then because they really got to build a timeline here yeah uh they challenged his inability to look in the month find the mother like i said they said why aren't don't you have blood on your clothes uh, shortly before 11 a.m., Martin is asked by the police to demonstrate how he attempted to render first aid to his father. So he gets Detective Rain on the playing the role of Seymour. And at that point, McCready notices a spot of blood on Martin's shoulder. OK, Detective McCready pullsin's sweatshirt aside and points out the blood at that point both the detectives then kind of basically say that's all you have how could you have rendered all this assistance without getting blood on your shorts or

sweatshirt basically because you're showing us what you did and there's how would you not got blood there so they tell marty that his story is ridiculous and that they don't believe him basically there. So they leave him there. They tell him, we don't believe you. They question him a little bit more. He says he believes that he was wearing his sweatshirt when he assisted his father, but he wasn't sure. Detective suggests that maybe there's no blood visible on the sweatshirt. Martin must not have been wearing the sweatshirt when he provided first aid and then martin was like yeah i guess i wasn't

wearing it then so they were like oh so now you're not wearing i thought you said i thought you said you wore your sweatshirt five fucking times you just gave me opportunity i don't know well that's what they do they go well maybe that you did this and then you go okay then they go yeah i just that's that's interrogation oh my god yeah it's trying to fuck people over that's ugly well yeah it's it's you're trying to get people to admit to shit they don't want to admit to. That's ugly shit. So then he next suggested that Martin maybe was wearing a towel. And Martin said, yeah, maybe I was wearing a towel.

So generally, people don't do that. They don't just go, yeah, maybe I was doing that. Yeah, you're right. Maybe I was doing that. That's a weird thing. They say what they did. And when the cops suggest things to make the story smoother, they just agree with it because that makes it smoother for them. That's a weird thing. Like they, they say what they did. And when the cops suggest things to make the story smoother, they just agree with it.

Cause that makes it smoother for them. It's so fucked up. They helped me. The, the human brain, it either hyper absorbs everything that's happening or depending on trauma in your life and how you've affected, it's affected you.

You fucking block out everything that's happening. And then you start remembering it late. Like when I was robbed at gunpoint, I didn't remember all the fucking details no no the next couple of days because that's what my body's condition to do is to block shit out no that makes sense to not fucking absorb it and ruin you further there's yeah you would like know when you did you take your father the bloody sweatshirt off like that's something that you would probably i don't know they asked me when i pissed my pants and i couldn't remember true but if you took your pants

off you'd remember that. You know what I mean? That's a different, different thing. I don't know. I didn't take them off. Well, you'd know, you'd know the course of events. I took them off after this happened, you know, like that. So I think that's what they're saying. Did you have a sweatshirt on?

Help your father, then take it off and have it all bloody. Because you'd go, oh, wow, my sweatshirt's bloody as fuck. So, yeah, then they, so then they said, Detective McCready says that maybe, you know, we think possibly that maybe you're responsible for Seymour's injuries here. You failed to, for the extent of it, he goes, have you ever thought of that? You didn't properly apply pressure to the wounds. You went walking all around the house. He went walking all around the house. And then at 1145 a.m., they leave Martin sitting there.

McCready leaves the room saying that he has to go get a telephone call. Right. He leaves the room. He's out of the out of the room on the telephone, allegedly here. Detective Rain puts his hands on Martin's knees and tells Martin that he can't accept the explanations for the lack of blood on his clothing. So he tells Martin that. A minute later, McCready comes in and he says that he's been on the phone with the hospital and that Martin's father, Seymour, has come out of his coma and positively identified Martin as the attacker.

What do you say to that, Marty? Problem is, he's still in a coma. This is not true. Oh, you bastard. This is not true. And is he's still in a coma this is not true oh you bastard this is not true and this is by the way this is legal this is 100 legal they're fighting like an ex-wife yeah it's one you don't you can gaslight the fuck out of people legally in an interrogation you can tell them anything you want you can tell them he woke up he said that aliens came down forced you to you could tell them anything you want, and it's totally legal. I just got off the phone with her, and she said, you did this.

Pretty much. That lying bitch, and then it didn't happen? Yeah. I want a divorce. That's it right there. I hope he divorces these cops. He probably wants to. So, yeah, he said that he has identified you as the attacker.

McCready tells Martin. find you as the attacker mccready tells martin this uh marty here um yeah he says that now he's obviously directly accused of all this uh yeah he's a little bit freaked out i would imagine they tell him that um he says that uh you know he said that uh they tell him that his father had told him of that that he was the one that attacked him and that, you know, he also murdered his mother and all this type of shit. And Marty saying, no, no, I didn't do that. I'll take a lie detector test. Give me a lie detector test. And basically they said, no, you're not getting a test.

You're not getting a lie detector test. You know, you're going to tell us what the fuck happened. You know, your father has told us that you did it so uh rain at this point detective rain says basically says uh uh was your father conscious when you beat and stabbed him or was he sleeping now by the way they still have not mirandized him not one he is they have now not only just it's not only they think in their head he's a suspect they full full on accused him of doing it. Yeah. And they still have not Mirandized him yet.

He explicitly did that. Martin said that, you know, he's sitting there and they asked, you know, was it possible that he could have attacked his parents and maybe you blacked out and don't have any memory of it? And Martin said, Martin, what should you know is that possible and he goes i guess he doesn't know and then they ask him martin what should we do to a person that did this to your parents and his response martin's response is quote whoever did this to them needs psychiatric help which is not the response that you should probably expect from

this person i'd like to hang them up yeah i would they deserve whatever no he says whoever did this to them need psychiatric help at this point um he's martin himself says quote could i have blacked out and done it oh no that's what he asked the cops and so uh and then he asked maybe he asked uh could i have been possessed by the devil maybe no marty was i possessed and blacked out and did this? Maybe. I listened to a lot of Motley Crue. And then they said, I don't know. Let's explore it.

And he said, OK, it's coming to me. Oh, no. So now Martin's going to talk. He said, it's all coming to me now. They encourage him to keep talking. Then at 1154, they go, hold on. Before you do that, you have the right to remain. That's when they Mirandize him. After he's admitted this and everything, they go, before before you do that you have the right to remain so that's when they mirandize him

after he's admitted this and everything they go before you fully confess we should probably mirandize you even though this part we need this part needs to be on the up and up the rest of it who fucking cares here so they do that uh no break whatsoever just the mirandize just the mirandize mitten whatever then they get a tale from martin uh martin talks about how he killed his mother and attacked his father he uh the detectives assist him a little bit by providing information they got from the crime scene marty explained that the previous day he decided the previous day that he would awaken early set his alarm so he could kill his parents yeah he's like i said you know early

bird gets the worm you know what i'm saying i'm not gonna wake up at 10 30 yeah roll out of bed have a pop tart then murder them right no we're gonna fucking do this before the sun's up what's sunrise 625 let's get cracking the murder bird gets the worm the murder bird gets the worm that's right the the meth falcon gets the worm. So, yeah, he said he would awaken early. That's fucking, I've never heard of somebody doing that. Gonna set an alarm. He's a studious kid.

He's got shit to do. He said he awoke. He went into their bedroom. He said he went into their bedroom. He said he was naked when he went into the bedroom, so he wouldn't get anything on his clothes. He said he went in with a dumbbell from a set of weights in his room here uh he basically uh yeah it's not yet a naked guy well his dad weighed 250 pounds so he needed a weapon and his mom's hefty too his mom weighs 190 pounds she's a sturdy lady yeah so we got one dumbbell or two he's got one dumbbell he's gonna

go in there. That's an awful walk. Yeah. He said he went in there. He had a couple extra pounds on one side. She's fucking naked. Naked. Flopping your dick around.

That's not a good look. That's a new nose. A skinny 17-year-old with a black fucking black eyes and a bruised up nose with his fucking dick swinging. That's my nightmare. I don't wake up to that. Think he wore socks? No. Couldn't wear socks. That's my nightmare. I don't want to wake up to that. Think he wore socks? No. Couldn't wear socks.

That would ruin the whole thing. Yeah. So that'd make it funnier, though. Just had like black socks on. God damn it. Like black dress socks. So, yeah, he said he went over there and he killed them with a dumbbell, beat them and hit them in the back of the head.

And, yeah, the motive here basically uh they elicit us what they call a series of grievances that martin had against his parents including the unwillingness of them to buy him a new sports car that he wanted he said instead he got a he got a few year old lincoln bastard his dad's old lincoln that's like four years old that listen when i was in high school if you gave me a four-year-old lincoln i would dad's old lincoln that's like four years old then listen when i was in high school if you gave me a four-year-old lincoln i would have blown you i had a fucking 12-year-old car with rust and it didn't work half the time for a hundred dollars get the fuck out of here mine was 37 years old and i had to build it yeah there you go mine was 150 so the first time i took it off uh out of the backyard

i forgot to put the bolt on the steering wheel and i went to shift and you pull back on the steering wheel a little bit when you shift and the steering wheel came off that's a panic reapplication i'm doing okay before i hit this house 30 miles down the road trying to fucking wiggle that thing back on and it has little it has little teeth on the back to line up perfect oh yeah obviously so it doesn't just pop in and out like that so easy that's the point you don't want it to be just flying around he's pissed about that he wanted a brand new sports car what the fuck who doesn't so uh yeah they they a bunch of him well here his confession, because he wrote it out.

This is in Martin's handwriting, as you can see here. Yeah. This is actually written on, yeah, this isn't just printed. This is him. I like that it's all in uniform line, though. I like when they go at a slant on a white piece of paper. He's got nice cursive, this kid. He looks good.

He's got a good cursive. He says, quote, yesterday, I went to the mall shopping. I was supposed to be home early enough to set up the card table for my father and his friends. When I got home at about 9, 10 p.m., my mother was mad at me because I didn't do it. My father punished me. My father punished me mostly, but my mother had been siding with my father lately. I was angry because my father's partner, Dan Hayeses was going to stay with me when they went to florida in october he got a babysitter so they weren't going to leave him to be all alone in the house at parties it's

not even the hot chick from down the street it's dan hayes his father's business partner fucking 55 year old old man is at most as the most fun he'll be is he'll go want some scotch not really i'm 17 all right then i don't know if you have one of your dad's beers i won't tell him drink it neat i'll tell you that don't be a pussy that's what he'd tell him okay so the ice cubes yeah no no ice cubes so they uh so yeah he then says, Florida in October. Then he says, quote, they ruined my summer by not letting me use the boat as much as I wanted. Those motherfucking bastards. I wanted to be a pirate. Okay.

It's bad. It's bad to not have a home and to be an orphan. But if you're going to be adopted by people who won't even let you use the boat as much as you want. What's the fucking point? What, I got to be here and just stare at it? Jesus Christ. This is more torture than being in a foster home. Might as well be in a group home. This is ridiculous.

So, yeah, that's what he says. He said that I wouldn't let me use the boat as much as I wanted. Quote, they wanted me to drive the crummy old Lincoln. They were fighting a lot and taking it out on me. When my mother sided with my father about the card table, I was really mad. the crummy old Lincoln. They were fighting a lot and taking it out on me. When my mother sided with my father about the card table, I was really mad. I decided I wanted to kill them both. I set my alarm for 535 to make sure I would wake up before them.

I decided to use the barbell when I went to bed. When I got up, I was surprised to see the light still on. When I looked in my parents' room, my mother was there. She was sleeping. I went down to the office and saw my father sleeping in the chair. I decided to kill my mother first. Well, as you would. Ladies first. You don't want to be rude.

I want her to hear this. You don't want to be rude. That's the thing. What about me? I'm your mother. Jesus Christ. I picked you. Right?

She probably picked him out. He was just there. He was like, fine, you can have one. I don't care. Pick whichever one you want. That's what he said. I don your mother. Jesus Christ. I picked you. Right? She probably picked him out. He was just there. He was like, fine, you can have one. I don't care. Pick whichever one you want. That's what he said. I don't know. He's puffed on a cigar.

Whichever one. I'll be in the car. I don't know. Bring him out when you're done. It'll look great in the backseat of the Lincoln. It's going to be good. Let's go. Need that shit for fucking Veronica cards.

So he said, I decided to kill my mother first. I ran across the bed. I got to kill my mother first. I ran across the across the bed. I got to her quick. I hit her four or five times on the head. She fought me. I went to the kitchen and got a knife. I ran after that after he hit her four or five days.

He probably knocked her the fuck out. I would think on that hard. She fought me. I went to the kitchen and got a knife i ran back with the knife i cut her throat i don't know how many times but i stabbed her also mostly i cut her at the throat and neck and then she says i left too and it stopped at that point because uh basically uh an attorney is there for him because his family figures it out and this whole shit gets shut down at that point once they realize what's going on.

I left too. The door opens and goes, shut the fuck up. Shut the fuck up now. Shut that off. I'm going to talk to my client. Not another word. Every time on The Wire,

that's what the guy would come in. How the fuck did you say that? D'Angelo, no more. So you're going to wind up hung in a prison library you know it's gonna happen so uh watch the wire anyway so uh yeah he said that he uh basically that's the that doesn't get written down anymore but his verbal uh finish was that he went to the length of the house found his father in the study and he proceeded to beat and stab his father there and then he said he went to the bathroom uh went to the bathroom by his bedroom far from the study without leaving any trail of blood somehow uh showered washed off the knife and dumbbell returned

them to their respective locations called 911 saying oh my god i just found my dad look at this this is terrible what a story yeah so 1 22 p.m uh this tale that he tells to the detectives uh finally is completely over when a representing attorney that's there for him on behest of the family members uh shows up and then that's that so later that afternoon martin talks on the phone to his half-sisterari, again, and Detective Rain later will say he overheard this phone conversation because he was standing close to Martin there. And she said that she did. This is the sister testified that will testify later that Martin told her he confessed to the he confessed because the police made him and that he said he was innocent to his sister, basically, at that point. So anyway, he's in jail. He's arrested.

And Seymour's still in a coma there, still in a fucking coma. About a week after the attacks, though, after this all happens, Seymour's still in a coma in the hospital. Jerry Steuerman decides that he's going to fake his own death and flee to California under an alias. That's a good place to go. Why not? Yeah, this is an interesting thing. That's an odd deal here.

He had been stopped paying the debts, like we said. Their relationship had soured. He owed him half a million dollars, all that sort of thing here. Relationship had soured. He owed him half a million dollars, all that sort of thing here. Now, the week of the attacks that went on, Jerry, the week after the attacks, I'm sorry, Jerry did some really weird shit. Basically, he withdrew money from his and Seymour Tankliff's joint bank account for the business, withdrew that money.

This is $15,000 he withdraws. Then, Steuerman named his girlfriend the beneficiary of his life insurance policy. Then he faked his own death, which is always an odd thing to do. Shaved his beard, changed his hair weave, because that little guinea froze a weave. He got just different hair. Totally changed out his head and then assumed an alias and fled to California where he stayed in the Big Sur area, which is an area where you can fucking disappear. Oh, boy.

Yeah, that's an area. It's also expensive. In the touristy areas. For 15 grand? Big Sur's a huge area. He's trying to be there for like six days. Well, Big Sur also, back away from where all the touristy shit and all the city shit and expensive shit. There's still fucking hippie and cabins in the woods and shit out there.

Yeah, because that was a big for a long time. Hunter Thompson lived there for a while. It was a big kind of when people were running. It was like the continental United States is Alaska, basically. basically like if you were running from something or if you were like a weird artist that wanted to do something or or you had like a weird you know sexual cult you and your eight fucking women wanted to go and like fuck weird things that's where you went you went to big sir and everything was considered fine they had some like hot springs there and shit it's a weird thing hunter thompson describes it really well it's fucking weird really weird and it doesn't exist

like that today it's different today because then it became touristy but there's it's a huge area though that's more than just what's there okay so jerry uh fucking he leaves notes behind to fake his death instructing his children and his girlfriend on how to collect on his insurance policy and he uh he's eventually like i said found living under a hair weave, under a fake hair weave also. A hair weave alias? A hair weave and an alias in California. He's contacted by the police. The reason why they take such great measures to hunt him down is they need him to be a witness against Martin.

Oh, what? Not because they're curious about anything he did. They need him as a witness at the trial here so uh they they find him uh they find uh all sorts of people from the family and from the neighborhood all give favorable they ask them all does martin get along with his dad everybody gives favorable testimony on martin's behalf all sorts of affidavits here saying that, you know, he's a nice kid. They all get along well. They're a good family.

Norman Tankliff, who's Seymour's brother, stated that Martin and his parents had a good, healthy and loving relationship. And Norman had spent substantial time there with Martin and his parents and said that they got along wonderful. There's never any signs of hatred between anybody. Everything was wonderful. So, a month later, okay? Month later, Seymour comes out of his coma. Oh! Because he died.

Sorry, I had to. I didn't know myself. Sorry. He's not in one anymore. I know, I'm sorry. What the fuck? You know, once in a while you have to. You have to. have to so anyway

he is good news good news bad news yeah everybody i hope the doctor said it yeah good news bad news good news that coma's over bad news um here's a card of a funeral right so he uh yeah very sad though he actually dies. He hung on for a long time though. Fighter. Yeah. And that's what I mean. Not, not bad at all here.

Yeah. Tough son of a bitch. Poultry kid. Bagel man. So, uh, uh, the doctor, the doctor, Bernard Adams, he will say that the front, cause they basically, they couldn't do a full examination on him like an autopsy because he was alive. So by the time a month later, they get to autopsy him. It's not the same.

Some of the wounds have healed some. There's been intervention medically. So it's hard to tell what's what and what happened around. Yeah. This doctor will say later on that the front of Seymour's throat had been cut so deeply that it reached his voice box and that the back of his neck was cut so deeply that the bone was exposed oh my god yeah uh that is fucking that's wild here uh so by the time the uh by the time though the autopsy came along he also had a tracheotomy and shit like that so it would have been hard they couldn't tell

a lot of shit but that was one thing they could tell also some of the wheel wounds had healed during the coma obviously so at trial trial comes up and it's a 13-week trial of a teenage kid with his parents and they're rich it was a big deal in new york oh yeah it was a big deal in new york long trial he's on the cover of news day and all that shit yeah he had lawyers here three and a half months yeah they talk about martin's confession at the trial obviously martin moves to suppress the statements he made to the detectives uh saying that he violated his miranda rights they violated his miranda rights here the trial judge denies the motion ruling that martin was not in custody until they until the very moment the detectives furnished the miranda. So they're saying to him, the judge says,

you could have left at any time you wanted to. You didn't have to stick around there and tell them the story. Why'd you tell them? Jerry testifies, Steuerman. He gets on a nice new rug, too. He's got a new rug. He's looking good. Yeah, he told the police, because, you know,

the prosecutor had to say, why'd you run away? So the defense can't use him as a boogeyman, saying he ran away because he killed Seymour. So Steuermann tells the police that he ran away to escape his personal problems. So he tells the court, he said, quote, the only mistake I made in my life is that I lived lavishly. I was a poor man living like a millionaire. I did a foolish thing, but I'm no murderer and I shouldn't even be here. That's Seymour's take. No, not at sewerman's take that's that's our yeah seymour has no take on

this whole thing so uh the prosecution here uh talks about also the prosecution talks about the defense's failure to call sherry the half sister to corroborate martin's version of the telephone call they bring that up because martin's lawyer in the beginning said they're going to bring that up as evidence and then they never did so the prosecution's like they said they had this evidence i didn't fucking see it did you see it right and see it there so that doesn't look good either now uh she did testify at the suppression hearing saying that martin said to her in the telephone call that he told the police that he said he did it because they made him and blah, blah, blah. But then at trial, they don't call her. So that's an interesting thing.

Now, Martin testifies at trial and he says that he only confessed because the detectives made him. And that's just about it. So it's basically their word against his there's no real physical evidence linking anybody except that he's in the house and it makes the most sense they're occam's razoring him hard here and verdict is this is by the way full week of deliberations full week of deliberations it's very weird here uh the jury says martin not guilty of intentionally murdering his mother yeah okay so not guilty but guilty of killing his mother with depraved indifference to human life and intentionally killing his father oh that's worse that's yeah

so he got fucked basically well instead of like two big murder charges he got one and a half basically that feels worse yeah depraved indifference to human life is almost manslaughter it's almost an accident whereas intentionally murder intentional murders are the worst really yeah so because that second one sounds way worse than intentional murder that's like if you're driving around willy-nilly whipping them back around from the road and a kid drives runs out in front of you and you hit him. And you were driving around with depraved indifference to human life. I suppose.

It's manslaughter. It's not, I'm going to go out and hit a kid. It's a different thing. I don't like it. I don't know how you would accidentally beat your mother with a barbell and stab her and cut her throat. That's not an accident. Either you intentionally fucking killed her hard. You were throwing that knife around willy-nilly.

Yeah, or you didn't. So that's a very weird thing. But that's how they do it. Either you intentionally fucking killed her hard. You were throwing that knife around. Yeah. Or you didn't. So that's a very weird thing. But that's how they do it. Playing it real fast and loose with that dumbbell. A little bit there. Now, at sentencing, Martin says they ask him, do you have anything to say for yourself? He says, quote, I love my parents.

I didn't kill them. That's pretty much all he says. I just wanted a new nose. I just wanted a new nose and a sports car. And the judge says, quote, you, sir, may fuck off 25 to life times two served consecutive. Oh, no. 50 years to life. This poor bastard.

50 years. Well, if he killed his parents, it's not really a poor bastard at that point. It would be pretty. He got the same sentence for both things for both things yeah a little bit less yeah but got them both so uh yeah this is this is interesting now after this the weird thing is stewartman's on the outside obviously his business is flourish oh yeah because now it's his own business and the bagel business took off like crazy in the 90s it was like the biggest thing ever that's jesus christ it spread throughout the whole country like yeah and if it's anything like today where like you find out there's some sort of go fund me for a page and you go and donate like crazy i mean you go and patronize

this business because hey i could be paying for that that poor well daughter or whatever yeah well actually on this one though it's because because Jerry actually had some business acumen here. He secured franchise deals to own bagel shops at airports, including Kennedy Airport there. Oh, crushing. And rest stops along the New York State Thruway and the Florida and New Jersey Turnpikes. So he fucking loaded it up, man.

He had bagels in the rest stops? Yeah, yeah, because there's restaurants at those rest stops. You know those rest stops we stop at where there's like a a bunch of restaurants in a building you we've stopped there a hundred times driving with with the halfway on tour what are you talking about i don't know what i'm talking about you go in to use the bathroom all right you walk in and there's a stops yeah there's a store and there's a bunch of fucking okay those are big rest stops so there's like an ice cream place and a fucking chick-fil-a and mcdonald's and a bunch of shit when you say rest stop i think of places where you can get a blowy yeah you're thinking like trucker blow jobs no no no yeah like or even

worse like uh where the gay community goes to hide out because why is that worse it's not worse i'm just saying i think you're gonna say where where you would lure the gay community into the bushes on the promise of sex and murder them that would be worse no that's worse dude's blowing each other you blow each other all you want guys blow yourself all you want i don't care go in behind that bush and blow yourself silly i'll never stop you it's just right gay guys used to go meet each other just for actual just for sex yeah just forget drinks and pick up lines and all that bullshit. Let's just go fuck at a rest stop.

Let's go fuck where I can smell public toilet. It used to be a thing. I know. I don't get it. Thank God for Grindr. Thank God for a lot of things, because can you imagine that? I don't want to pull into a rest stop and just, I don't want to trip over a couple dudes blowing each other. I don't want to walk my little girl over to the bathroom and, not baby yeah maybe we'll wait till the next one have a something about mary situation

happen so uh jerry so jerry's doing very fucking well yeah and then after a few years he and his wife moved down to florida yeah look at that they're living the dream everything's fine oh yeah oh boy so 1993 there is an appeal for marty okay this is a the the the uh panel of the supreme court of the state here is sharply divided on this one it's a three two vote the majority holds that martin was not entitled to miranda warnings earlier than he received them uh finding he was not in custody before that time, which seems crazy. The dissenting opinions found that the confession was obtained, obviously, in violation of Miranda, because even even assuming that he was not in custody from the moment he first arrived, it must be concluded that once the detective advised him that his father had identified him as the assailant. He's a suspect at that point, I would say.

And they said no reasonable, innocent person would have basically found themselves to be free to leave at that point. He was not free. He knew he wasn't free to leave. Hey, your father just said you tried to kill him and you killed his mom. Well, I'll be going now.

You guys, it's almost lunchtime. I got a meeting. We'll talk about this later. My dad's awake. I got to go see him. I'm going to take off now. Jesus, he's going to be pissed. So I still didn't put that card table up like he asked jesus christ here so the state uh that's the the supreme court of the state uh you know gets that

wrong i think in my opinion anyway that seems a little crazy here so uh of new york of new york yeah he's appealing this all over the place also there's some undisclosed uh evidence here which is interesting uh unbeknownst to the defense council because i don't know if they didn't do their homework or what uh jerry stewartman has a history of employing violent tactics to resolve business disputes uh when stewartman first started in the bagel business he hired members of the Hell's Angels to attack members of a union who were picketing his store violently attack them

when the lead detective in the tank lift case here was aware of this episode oh this gets so fucking dirty it's not even funny remember that McCready guy oh boy oh boy oh boy obviously the government knew about this the detective knew about this the uh detective knew

about this but they didn't disclose to the defense which is a borderline brady violation it's not great so uh yeah the the uh also the government forensics experts identified mysterious hairs on arlene tankliff's body particularly particularly in her hand when they found her. The hairs are strange because they're rootless. Weird. And they don't match Martin's hair. Yeah. How would rootless hairs happen?

It's a lot of breaks. That's weird. Yeah. Awfully breaky. Or it came out of a rug. Yeah. So likewise, rootless hair was found on Seymour Tankliff's person that was inconsistent with Martin's hair.

That's a bad rug. That's a bad fucking rug. It's fucking rug falling apart man that's why i got to get a new one meanwhile by the way the prosecution is aware of this and they do not disclose this to the defense of course of course not that is uh by the way district attorney thomas j spada prosecuted this case and we'll talk about that that's the coke guy's defense lawyer's partner yeah so yeah that's stewerman's son's defense lawyer's partner so this is all getting very creepy whoa there's more yeah there's fucking more oh yeah uh wow this is fucking crazy and the police didn't take a sample of stewerman's hair and he got a new rug so that's goddamn gone there. And when he by the time he came back, he had had his hair, you know, replaced, replaced. They said serviced and replaced, which I'm like, what is it, a muffler?

So, wow. Steuerman obviously had plenty of motive motive for killing them since he owed him fucking half a million dollars. And it seemed reasonable to at least check him out a little bit and uh basically though they said the the forensics testing also repeatedly failed to corroborate martin's confession right basically uh which was based on what the detective suggested they said that you know once this once the confession happened that's the end of the story right the there was missing gloves basically that they said uh and they found out that the gloves there's a guy named glenn harris and uh he says that he is uh jesus christ that one of the two one of two men that he knows actually killed the tank lifts he comes forward a guy named joe creeden said that he carried the

gloves back to the getaway car after the murder wait what oh yeah there's a whole new yeah whole new fucking pile oh my goodness pile of worms here with our can of worms so also the defense there's a lot more evidence here all the knives in the kitchen and those found elsewhere in the house and the dumbbells in martin's room were disassembled and tested for the presence of even the most minute quality of quantity of human anything tissue hair anything no 17 year old who's doing this shit quickly is cleaning them that well they take they took the barbells apart and did it each tested negative martin confessed to using a dumbbell but the physician who treated seymour upon his arrival at the hospital testified that he believed the wounds were more likely inflicted by a hammer, which is a much different attack than a barbell. So, yeah, the forensic pathologist who testified at trial also said that the wounds were consisted with being inflicted by a hammer.

He said that at trial, no hammer with any traces of blood were found anywhere on the grounds of the tank lift residents So Martin shower was searched exhaustively for blood human tissue or hairs or fibers or anything belonging to his parents Including removing and analyzing the trap from the shower drain Everything tested negative Wow for nothing got in there the towels in the bathroom Wow. Nothing got in there. The towels in the bathroom exhibited no signs of blood. No drops of blood were found on the floor between the parents' bedroom and the study or Martin's room.

None of those paths. There's no fucking blood anywhere. All that police work would have corroborated the... What the fuck? This is insane. No blood identified as belonging to Martin was found in either room where the bodies were located, despite forensics testimony that Arlene put up a significant struggle against her attacker. Likewise, no hair or fiber evidence from Martin was found in either room.

What the shit? He is a fucking, he's either the best hitman ever. Unbelievable. In and out like a ghost. So good. Wow. Just a weak constitution, can't hold a secret. That's the thing, can't tell a secret,

but he can strip down and murder you, no fucking problem, like a stone cold hit man he's got some remorse but boy oh boy is he good at it i read this mob mafia book written by this fucking mob dude who was talking about this one guy that he knew uh who after he killed somebody he would just take him to this apartment that he had yeah fucking stripped down naked and get in the bathtub and chop them up boy that was the whole that was the routine boy scene what that was he did it a million times that was his thing that he would do what get him in here okay and he was telling him this is where you got to do it blah

blah like real like he was at the like he's at the grocery store going you want the strip or the sirloin like that's what he was doing they say you either have it or you don't yeah you can either do that or you can't sure don't i'm not a person who can who can dismember of the human not that far i can't do that shit i think in the right circumstance based on self-defense i could probably hurt somebody i don't need to part them out afterwards so i wouldn't be able to do that i'd like to call somebody and tell them to dispatch of this can you pick this up please hey officer i did this in self-defense you'll when you police work, you'll find out. No shit, man.

So Martin also was the nose surgery. His nose would bleed from time to time. And there was no evidence of a struggle on Martin from that. His blood didn't drip anywhere. Scrapings of his fingernails produced no evidence of a struggle. Scrapings of Arlene's fingernails produced no evidence of Martin's skin. Oh? Unidentified, but not Martin.

So, yeah. Contrary also to Martin's confession that he murdered his mom and then murdered his dad, Seymour's blood was found in the master bedroom where Arlene's body was found, thereby indicating probably Seymour was killed first, and then Arlene. That's how that went.

A blood stain on the fitted sheets was consistent with Seymour's blood and inconsistent with Arlene's or Martin's blood. And a blood stain found on the wall of the master bedroom. That's unidentifiable. That is a bloody glove print was found in the parents' bedroom by the light there uh where they said they didn't find any gloves but there's a bloody glove print so somebody must have gloves and by the way march martin never mentioned any gloves in his statement to the detectives in his confession in fact he had no clothes no clothes nothing totally not even socks as we figured out here now uh yeah and because they got this confession out of him five hours after the murders they never even

looked at another person they never looked at the evidence they just said we got our guy done and done that's it yeah so uh stewerman obviously at the time was a was a potential suspect before when the whole thing went down but police ignored him because they said that uh martin told them that he left at three o'clock in the morning. So it must have been Martin that did it. That was that. And also another guy there, Joseph Cissare, a poker player, he said that when he left, this is when the police knew this, Steuerman, who was there, he said as he was leaving,

Steuerman was engaged in a serious private conversation with Seymour and even said he waved him to go ahead of him, even though Steuerman's car was parked behind his. He said he had to finish. So figure out how to get around me, basically. So that's how it worked. Now, more evidence here. Jesus Christ. Evidence at trial suggests that the assaults happened about three o'clock a.m., not at 6 in the morning. 3 a.m.

Ethel Curley, who's the emergency technician who responded, was the first medical personnel there to examine Arlene, testified the blood on Arlene's head and forearm and on her nightgown was dry already. Far too dry. Far too dry. Likewise, a technician assisting Seymour described a large golf ball-sized clump of blood, like it clotted up already because he was still alive, falling out of Seymour's body that was so coagulated it made a noise when it hit the ground.

That's a lot. That's a lot of time to coagulate. That's super dry. Yeah. That probably kept him from bleeding to death, too. Probably. The dried blood on both bodies pointed to a time of death inconsistent with martin's confession that he did it it's after 6 a.m uh yeah now introduce another

one here carlene kovacs let's talk about her she is uh a witness here uh she came forward in the 90s she informed robert gottlieb who's martin tankliff's trial counsel that she had some information she told gottlieb that she and her friend john guarasio went to the home of john guarasio's sister theresa for dinner okay go to her house for dinner now theresa's boyfriend is a guy named joseph creeden yeah he came up earlier in his name. He's an associate of Todd Steuerman. Yeah, Jerry's coke dealing son. Oh, the little asshole. Yeah, he was there for dinner as well.

Now, while Terry Teresa was preparing dinner, Creedon and Kovacs were talking about the Tankliff murders. And basically, this is the statement they got. Quote, after the Tankliff murders on a subsequent Easter Sunday, she describes that he and I went to his sister Terry's house in Medford or Farmingville. Terry was married to Joe Creeden. John warned me about Joe, telling him he was deeply involved

in drugs and a troublemaker. This is who we're spending Easter with? Fun, right? Jesus. Hey, come on. While at the house, we went into the bedroom and smoked a joint.

While there, Joe, Joe Creeden, told me in essence he was involved in the tankliff murders in some way i recall him saying something about hiding behind trees and bushes at the tankliff house during the time of the murders and saying he was with stewerman a stewerman that is some good weed it's fucking good damn how many times have you been high and confessed to multiple murders fucking strangers

let me tell you something well you know what it's easter i'm feeling like i need to unburden myself cleanse my soul cleanse my soul here i'm rising from the dead jesus after the murders he described how he had uh had to make a quick dash to avoid being caught he said it was dark outside at the time and described how his adrenaline was flowing and that he was afraid of getting caught and all that so creedon told kovacs that uh all about this the hiding in the bushes and all this sort of shit now uh she signed an affidavit and everything so there was no investigation by the way nothing yeah we follow we follow up on that nothing? Nothing. Yeah, absolutely not. Could have been a weed. Now, this also, the only thing they did find is in 1990, Creedon signed an affidavit indicating that Todd Steuerman told him that Jerry, Todd's father, wanted to hire Creedon to, quote,

cut out Marty Tankliff's tongue because Marty was still blaming Jerry for his parents' murders. What? How dare he sit in prison and blame fucking you for the murders? So they were going to go find a way to get to jail to cut his tongue out. Holy shit. Creeden turned down this assignment, and after that, after he turned down his assignment, Todd Steuerman shot him in the arm because he was mad at him for that, apparently. Then they offered Creeden $ ten thousand dollars to refuse to testify

against todd during about the shooting of shooting of him i've shot you jesus christ you and now here's 10 grand to further discourage you it's fucking crazy shit so uh it's wild so in light of all this uh the fact creed admits that he was involved in the tank with murders to people so they do a lie detector test to try to do this. The tank lift investigator arranged for Carlene Kovacs, Glenn Harris, Martin Tank lift, all to be polygraphed, basically, which you could picture this like the wire with the separate rooms and the true, true lion motherfucker. That whole thing here. Xerox machine. Yes.

Yeah, exactly. So this consisted of three questions first did joe creeden tell you he had a he and a stewardman were hiding in the bushes on the tank lift property at the night of the murders this is to kovacs second did joe creeden tell you they were full of blood and had to get rid of their clothes the night of the murders and third did joe creeden tell you he was scared and his adrenaline was flowing? And Kovacs answered yes to all of them. And there was all truthful responses. So she was telling the truth.

And yeah, so this opens a whole big deal. Glenn Harris passes a polygraph proving that he drove Creedon and another individual to the Tankliff resident the night of the murders. So he passes that as well. Finally, Marty passes a polygraph verifying that he had no involvement in his parents murders so three polygraphs all saying that martin had shit to do with this all kinds of uh information this is there's so much evidence fucking ridiculous oh there's more oh my god there is more this is fucking ridiculous. This is Guaracio, the one guy from the house. He also gave an affidavit saying that I went with my girlfriend, Carleen Kovacs.

After a few minutes, Joe took a rifle out of his closet and started talking to us. This is the joint smoking session. I heard him say they were hanging out smoking in the bushes, watching guys play cards. I did not know what Joe was talking about, but that was the murders there. So, more. 2003, this is 15 fucking years later, Robert Trotta, who's a Suffolk County defective detective, said that Creeden was known as Joey Guns

because Creeden has a history of using firearms to rob drug dealers. So they're finding some background there. Now, Creeden said his violent acts were limited to only the drug involvement. I don't do this on the street. This is crazy. Keep the people out of this. Yeah.

Jesus Christ. So he points out this man in a bunch of affidavits that they had done a bunch of shit together, him and Joe Creedon, where Creedon carries rifles and guns and robs people and everything like that. This guy also said that he refers to the Tankliff murders and said basically that it was a shame about the kid, meaning Marty Tankliff. He said that, quote, that this was Creeden said to him, quote, that kid didn't do it. I was there.

And that's what he told him. And he said when he was high on crack this is what joe this is what creedon told oh boy creedon got high on crack and if he smokes weed crack put any drugs inside this guy and it's just truth serum absolutely no shit so uh yeah it gets worse by the way it gets it gets more because this is just like kind of mistakes and stupid then it gets more on purpose after a while here so uh yeah basically everyone all the drug dealers who would get arrested in the 90s they get arrested and to try to get a better position they would go i know who killed that tanklet family was actually joe creeden yeah so like 10 different drug dealers all tried to tell the cops that joe creeden had told them that he killed these people to try to get out of trouble and they just ignored them basically they just fucking

ignored them um it's it's dude i mean it's it's so fucking much so then martin's investigator comes into this whole thing okay um which he gets his own guy guy named guy named J. Sal Peter. He's an investigator working for the tank lifts to pursue information. He pursues the Carlene Kovacs lead. He learns from public arrest records that after he'd been shot by Todd Steuerman, Creeden attempted to burglarize a bagel store with Glenn Harris, which was one of Jerry and Seymour's businesses. So they find that out that's one thing uh glenn harris was incarcerated on something else and the tankliff interview investigator got

to interview uh harris in jail harris told him that at some point prior to burglarizing the bagel shop uh he drove creedon and peter home uh to peter kent to a home in Belterre and watched them go in the back of the house. And that whole thing, basically, he waited in the car. They came out. It was took between 10 and 30 minutes. They came running to the car, were nervous and demanded that he drive off right away. Creeden was carrying gloves in his jacket pocket. And, yeah, it goes through the whole thing.

He said that he observed one of the men burning his jeans and sweatshirt and began to suspect that something more serious than a robbery had occurred there and then he heard on the car radio reports of the tank lift murder in belterre and knew that he was oh my the unwitting getaway driver here um now jesus christ man um gl Glenn Harris, he'll admit all of this shit and he'll admit it on an affidavit now that he did this. So that's a lot. That's enough. Yeah. Guys admitting that he says that he by the way, the detective then took Glenn Harris to the neighborhood where he was able to pick out the tank lift house.

He knew where it was. So he wasn't lying. Knew where it was. Told him where they stopped the car also said that's where we threw the pipe away the pipe you know like a hammer where you hit somebody with they had a pipe and they disposed of he goes we threw it right over there so they went and they dug sure enough a little bit a rusted weathered 36 inch long metal pipe still 15 years old still fucking there wow still fucking there just under

a little bit of dirt holy shit they never even looked for it never they got their man why look so uh it's fucking i don't even know it's goddamn insane basically um creeden backs him up statements are his statements to everyone else back it up he doesn't actually tell the police that shit so um wow it gets crazier it gets so much crazier jimmy i don't even want to okay so basically they go to court here 2002 2003 there's new fact witnesses obviously the creed and thing the kovacs to glenn harris there's so much going on there's polygraphs that aren't admissible but you know kind of what's happened there's so many people saying the same exact things um but they can't bring in the polygraph actually obviously uh but they do you can in post-conviction proceedings there is admissibility of some polygraph result polygraph

results which is a weird thing here um and glenn harris testifies that he drove creedon and peter kent the whole thing we just said and also um you know a large number of relatives of the victims have provided all these uh you know all this testimony that martin wasn't mistreated he never said he was mistreated okay now here's where that gets bad the corrupt part in the early 80s remember todd stewerman pled guilty to selling cocaine out of his dad's bagel store here spotter yeah uh according the thing is uh according to confidential defense witnesses the the cops never busted him because they were paid off not to interfere in his operation because that's what you do back then now the uh detective mccready our lead homicide detective here he testified at marty's trial

that he never knew jerry stewartman at all i don't know this fucking guy at all um that's it he uh then in 2004 a baking supplier a supplier's wholesaleraler who's at the bakery at the bagel shop all the time. He comes forward and testifies that he is 100 percent certain that every single time he went to Jerry Steuerman's bagel shop, Detective McCready was sitting right fucking there with him hanging out. This was in the late 70s and early 80s. This went back to how McCready was essentially the fucking muscle to keep the fucking coke from getting stolen. Basically, that's what they would do. They'd have their goddamn cop there. So, yeah, that's allegedly.

So that's that's what that is. So not only did Detective McCready know Jerry Stewart, but he knew him very fucking well. He sat next to him the whole time. This all happened. fucking well he sat next to him the whole time this all happened so by the way the the lawyer who got stewerman off stewerman's son a good deal on a plea was the law partner of thomas j spada who is the district attorney of suffolk county at this point in time he went from that to that uh so um now let's talk about some experts here. Professional Professor Richard A. Leo. He's an interrogation expert and a false confession expert.

He's qualified as an expert 69 times and testified in all these trials in 16 different states. He basically they got him and other ones saying it's a false confession. Martin was led down the road to this confession uh after familiarizing himself he said that uh based on my opinion uh that mr tankliff's admission talking about martin and post-admission narrative of the crime were involuntarily made and not based upon mr tankliff's personal knowledge of the crime it's a brendan dassey situation i think marty just wanted to watch wrestlemania and he would have been fucking done here on a boat on a boat yeah hose and everything with on a boat with hose so uh yeah the uh not to mention in 1989 following years of public criticism of misconduct by members of the

suffolk county police department the new york state commission on investigation conducted an extensive investigation of them and the commission's report here found that the Suffolk County Police Department engaged in and permitted improper practices in 94% of Suffolk County homicide prosecutions. I'm sorry, 94% of homicide prosecutions involved confessions or oral admissions. Wow. That seems a little high. Seems a little high. So they're going to investigate that. You mean to tell me in ninety four percent of their investigations they had to do, you know, zero investigation? None. They just guy admitted it. Case closed. Super easy. We didn't even have to run fucking tests. run fucking tests the commission concluded quote that that was quote an astonishingly high figure compared to other jurisdictions so high in fact that in and of itself it provokes skepticism

regarding suffolk county's use of confessions and oral admissions you'd think that they'd be on a tour around speaking to other police officers telling them how to do that shit you would imagine making a boatload of cash oh by the way detective mccready was also cited by the new york state commission of investigation for having giving false perjurious testimony in a 1987 suffolk county murder trial in which he was the lead investigator what a cocksucker this is getting bad uh also uh the expert witnesses were also uh uh there's all these expert witnesses like we said and uh everything like that, plus the lack of Miranda, plus trial counsel incompetence by saying they would do things they didn't do. The trial counsel laid out this whole big thing that they were going to do and then never did any of it.

Like, we're going to call his sister. That'll tell you that. And then when they don't call the sister, the prosecution goes, gee, that was a, you know, a large missing piece of evidence that I guess they don't want you to hear about. And it makes you look worse. So it's awful. He failed to investigate. They said the trial counsel failed to investigate and develop such evidence through family members. The witnesses would not only have contradicted the people's claim that Martin had a motive to kill his parents, but also would have provided the jury with other information.

There's so much here um the motives were were horseshit but they look good on a confession that's the thing here um the defendant basically is what the prosecutor argued the defendant in defense an opening statement promised you to deliver you certain things and they have not done that yet and they talk about all the list of things that they said in the opening that they didn't do, basically. So they talk about where was that aunt that said that she was going to say what a great kid you were. And where are these people? And where are those people? So the prosecutor cited the sister.

Also, they say that Martin was obviously inappropriately interrogated, coerced into making an untrue confession and incarcerated wrongly for his young life here. Right. So the judge says, you, sir, may conviction vacated. Go home. Yeah. Look at that shit. Martin gets to go home in 2008. Oh, my God.

How long is that? That is about 20 years. Oh oh he was almost done with one of those yeah that's what i mean it's he had uh 30 years left that is too long so 2008 the state decides whether they want to retry him or not they have to but attorney general at the time cuomo who's now governor moves to dismiss all charges on june 30th 2008 his office announced it would not retry marty citing insufficient or no evidence to prove his guilt july 22nd 2008 all charges formally dismissed against marty party time party for marty um yeah the attorney general's office uh representatives filed a motion to drop the original indictments.

He said, Marty, quote, it's 20 years overdue. I'm just looking forward to getting on with my life. He said he's going to go to Hofstra University where he wants to become a defense attorney where he says he wants to stop things like this from happening again. Yeah, he gets to go home, though. Asking about a civil suit you're gonna sue he said quote this isn't over for us my man uh yeah i would say and then they asked his lawyer about it and his lawyer said that mr tankliff quote certainly deserves deserves compensation for 17 years of wrongful imprisonment oh my i would say so um yeah he says that the weirdest thing was

going to supermarkets afterwards. He said he would stare at the food for an hour and he didn't know what to do. Of course not. This isn't honey buns and ramen noodles. He said in prison you could choose from three cereals. Now you had an entire aisle in front of you. Oh, my God. This is amazing.

There's Froot Loops. When did Applejack's put green ones in it? What the fuck is happening? There are marshmallows and Fruity Pebbles. Jesus Christ christ it's a dream come true there's chocolate lucky charms what amazing times we live in oh god oh my god this is crazy good jesus when i was 17 i would have loved this he said it created a sensory overload that was difficult to handle 2009 files a lawsuit against both the county and the state. In the lawsuit, the lawyers allege, quote, a widespread

practice of coercing confessions among the homicide detectives of the Suffolk County Police Department and argue that his imprisonment was a direct result of gross misconduct by Suffolk County law enforcement. I would say so. By the way, 2010, Joseph Creeden, remember

that guy? Yeah. He was arrested for firing a shotgun outside of his home by Suffolk police. He's arrested at 10.45 p.m., charged with criminal possession of a weapon, prohibited use of a weapon, and he's on parole and shit. Firing shotguns? He's going to go away for a while in his front yard while he's wanted by police. Well, his name is Joey Guns. So what do you want?

Good point. He goes, I'm Joey Guns. This is what I do. What are you talking about? They show up. He's like, what? I pictured him like Reno 911. It's a guy with the arrow and he's stuck in his fucking head like that.

Like, you don't know what I do. I'm Joey Guns, y'all. Y'all, I'm Joey Guns. What are y'all expecting? I'm not Joey Gun, by the way. Yeah, I got more. Take this one. There's more.

I got plenty. You want to use it? You can use it. It's fine. So he goes, Marty goes to law school. Yeah. And he meets a young woman named Lori there. Very nice.

And he meets them while attending, well, he's doing lectures on being falsely put in fucking prison. Sure. And they end up hooking up and getting married hell yeah so now he has a wife and uh she's a former single mom at the time when he met her she was a single mom who escaped an abusive relationship and says her quote is that she's overwhelmed by marty's grace and humility when the couple's first when they first met she said i would have never thought i would be married again but he was just an amazing human being his goals his determination his values for everything that i

wanted um that's gonna last forever yeah that's i mean if any of them have a chance that's it plus she was cured diagnosed with an incurable nerve condition while they were dating and he immediately proposed to her and he found out so he didn't care. And also her daughter apparently has had a struggles to trust male figures after difficulties with her father. And I guess now she's doing great. And Martin ends up officially adopting her in 2014. He's a fucking hero as well. And yeah, so it's a little bit crazy here, though. He says that he does regret that he never got his day in court with Creeden,

because he knows that Creeden is probably the trigger guy. He ends up graduating from Toro Law School in 2014 in May. I have no idea. Somewhere in New York. Meanwhile, by the way, Thomas J. Spada, the DA who opposed his release from prison, by the way, he fought that shit tooth and nail. And we know his history is now at 2014 facing prison on corruption charges. Good. Shocking. Not from this, though.

He's asked. They asked Marty if Spada's reversal of fortune was satisfying to him. And he said, quote, no comment comment which means fuck yeah i'm gonna jerk off to that shit later i'm jerking it to his perp walk i swear to god i'm gonna get all set in front of the tv and just be like come on baby wife uh stepdaughter please do not come in here i don't want to further spoil you yeah you are not gonna like what i'm about to do yeah jesus christ he said i'm focused on other things all i know is that as an as an exoneree i'm i'm the i'm in the most honorable group of people nobody wants to be in oh which is really true and funny oh jesus uh what a statement that's a crazy statement true 2015 he says he's thinking about running for congress

he says it's definitely i'm definitely looking at it right now he says it would be a democratic or independent but most likely an independent that way my allegiance is to the people not to a political party uh he says that uh he thinks that his unique background could help people who are victimized by the criminal justice system he says think about the impact I could have on the criminal justice system being in Congress, which is fair. All I'm thinking about. Yeah. He could be a witness to all this.

Then the state settles the lawsuit. The state agrees. He's got state and county lawsuit, by the way. The state agrees to pay him $3.4 million. And that's low. And that's low. And that's low. And that's the state, though, because it's more on the county. We'll talk about that.

I think near enough. No, no. He says that he's looking forward to the county thing, to the county lawsuit. He said, you know, this is what we want to do here. He said he wants to find his parents' murderer. That would be nice. April of 2017, he passes the new york state bar exam fucking marty buckle up fuckers he's a fucking lawyer now look at that

i'm coming for you motherfucker coming with me hell's coming with me april 20th 2018 lawsuit with suffolk county is settled yeah Yeah. They reach a $10 million settlement. Yep. There you go. Now we're talking. That's what I'm talking about. So he is now, that's about $13.4 million he won out of this, and I don't even think that's enough.

No. No. No. It's crazy stuff. 20 years of his life and his, fuck, man. 17. You gotta give people at least a million a year for incarceration. I'm sorry.

Yeah. That's fucked up. That's terrible. Anybody who's wrongfully incarcerated deserves a million dollars a year absolutely that's bullshit um also here and that ought to be a deterrent enough for you to fucking do some real police work that would be nice it's gonna cost us this much money me i'm a taxpayer yeah your fucking shoddy ass shit work is gonna cost me the money that was the problem can be enough to keep your fucking job. That's what I never understood about in this county. We're in Maricopa County in Arizona where Phoenix is.

We had Sheriff fucking Joe Arpaio forever. Even if you didn't think his tactics were fucking asinine, illegal, and barbaric, you think you'd just go, I'm tired of us paying for $100 million fucking lawsuits because you let people die in jail without medical fucking care and round up Mexicans every time you feel like it. What the fuck are you doing? Stop. Unbelievable.

The county pays for that. Jesus fucking Christ. Schools suck a dick and we're paying $100 million because you're a fucking idiot who can't do your job right because you want to sell fucking pink boxer shorts and make a few bucks on the side. You fucking fat twat. Jesusesus christ we had that for years meanwhile my state taxes aren't even that much money you know what i mean because arizona's so goddamn cheap with it yeah but how many fucking people's taxes you got to put together each year to pay stupid goddamn lawsuits meanwhile he wasn't

investigating pedophiles thereiles not even looked at fucking sex offenses on there but he's paying deputies double time to sit in front of his house because he's got bomb threats because he's a cunt again not political but if you like joe arpaio go fuck yourself i don't care i don't want you to listen we don't need you we don't fucking asshole you if you're if you're not from here right you don't know that much and you just thought, oh, he seemed like a tough, fun guy. No. Look him up. Find out what an asshole he is.

If you lived here ever and know about him and still like him, go fuck yourself. Because you're an idiot. You're either 90 or a fucking moron. One of the two. But you're definitely racist, so fuck you. That's one thing. And either way, he lost two elections and we've had enough of his enough of his shit so anyway uh yeah he uh he's there he's teaching a class at georgetown

university for a while uh one class he's teaching is called making an exoneree where these students re-examine cases of imprisoned men it's basically his own little innocence project he's trying to start which making a murderer yeah let's yeah mixing it in with so good job for him there and uh yeah he teaches a class there he's on linkedin he said as a quote adjunct professor professor at toro college and uh law center in georgetown university here for him and he's doing very well i love it he's a nice car yeah and a nice wife yeah there he is on uh he's got very well. I love it. He has a nice car and a nice wife. Yeah. There he is. What kind of car has he got? He's got a check mark. By the way, let's find out.

Metcalf and Metcalf he works for. Okay. And his Twitter handle, you want to tell him, Jimmy, what his Twitter handle is there? I can't see it. Oh, you can't see it? It is at X-O-N-E-R-8-E-D. Exonerated, which is pretty cool. He picked it up, man.

I like it. That's like some exhibit shit. By the way, same license plates. Exonerated license plates he's got. Hell yeah. Yep, he's doing it. How does he work for a company called Metcalf? Why isn't that shit just called, I don't know, Marty's Party?

Marty Party Law. Party Marty Law. Woo! That's what it should be. Fuck, man. Marty's not a party to crime. No. He's a fucking hero. Oh, it should be. Fuck, man. Marty's not a party to crime. He's a fucking hero. Oh, it gets better, by the way.

He says, for me, it's about moving on in life. The more successes I have, the more I set an example for other exonerees. My wife told me once, you're exonerated. Be proud of it. Be honored. Show the world. So he did by putting it on his car. Hello, John.

Yeah, it's going to go great. You're a hero i love you november of 2019 thomas j spada goes on trial okay on trial this whole trial started with a well this is how it started a duffel bag full of sex toys cigars and porn that's how the case started that's a hell of a weekend yeah the bag belonged to james burke who was the police chief in suffolk county okay it was stolen from his parked car in december 2012 that's all he takes on vacation that's it sex toys cigars and porn boom done i mean he's i hate this job his night is mapped out let's's be honest. His night is...

He used to stop at the liquor store on the way home, but otherwise, he's set for the night, obviously, clearly. That is a great little care package. So it's stolen from his car. Later on... Oh, fuck! Fuck. They stole my dildos.

Can you imagine being the guy that opens it? I can get more cigars, but that dildo was perfect. They were used. It was right in my ass. It fit wonderfully. The poor bastard that opens that going money. Oh, shit. What is this?

Guns? It's in the police station parking lot. This smells funny. So later on, they arrest a heroin addict for heroin, and he has in his possession that duffel bag with the sex toys. Oh, no. So Burke finds out about this guy getting arrested and having his shit. So this chief Burke walks into the station house to confront this man who's handcuffed to the floor of the interrogation room. And they said for a few minutes he beat the living shit out of this guy, threatened to kill him, the whole thing, until finally another cop came in the room and said, boss, that's enough.

Over dildos. Over dildos. Fucking ridiculous. Wow. So this prompted a federal investigation that lasts more than four years and led to the resignation of that police chief, but also Thomas J. Spada, who covered it up actively. Spada goes on trial along with his top deputies here uh they said they were they were pressuring potential witnesses not to cooperate with the federal investigation into the assault and other assaults uh the assistant united states

attorney in the eastern district of new york says quote they thought they were above the law but they were wrong and here we are today because no one is above the law. Also because somebody stole. Also because there was an amazing buildup. It's amazing how things happen. So December 17th, 2019, a jury finds Thomas J. Spada and Christopher McPartland, the east,chief of the DA's anti-corruption unit, guilty on charges of obstruction, witness tampering, and conspiracy following a six-week trial there.

That is fucking amazing. Your career's over, fuckface. Oh, yeah. This was a guy who stole it, who stole the bag, was supporting a $100 a day heroin habit. His name's Christopher Loeb. And he stole it out of a police-issued SUV. Awesome. That's what he stole it there.

The balls on a heroin addict. Dude, I'll steal it right out of the car. He probably thought it was weapons that he could sell pretty easily. So, yeah, following the verdict, Suffolk County Executive Steve Ballone, who called for Spada to resign, said in a statement that Spada took part in, quote, covert spying, threats against perceived enemies, relentless intimidation tactics, and outright

fear. At the time I called for his resignation, Tom Spada's power was at its peak, and their criminal enterprise was in full spring. This culture of corruption had a real and profound impact. They ruined lives and destroyed careers. Yeah.

Spada here, he is still waiting to be sentenced. They both face up to 20 years in prison when they return there. And by the way, that happened in 2019. That happened. He was convicted on December 17th. And then a few days later, December 22nd, Hanukkah started. Happy Hanukkah, Marty. Good for you.

Have a fucking Nagila. Look at that shit. And that's the end of the story. Nobody's ever arrested. No one went. No justice. No real criminal went to jail for the murder of the tank lifts so the tank lifts go on unjustified on on vengeance i guess vengeance was not taken their death was not avenged no but uh i mean creed is gonna i mean that guy might as well

be always in prison anyway and it did take down a dirty prosecutor and everything else. But I'm sure Martin would have rather either his parents live or he not be arrested for it. One of the two. I'm sure it would have been great for him. This is what happens when you're not just open with your kinks. You know what I mean? Yeah. That's it.

If he brought it in the station with him just to, hey, check out this new porn I got. This dildo's a, it's a bad, bad it weighs like 12 pounds it's a fucking mean one you really gotta push your weight down on it to get it in there i don't know lock your doors maybe too that's a fucking start there that's something but that is our show everyone that is belterre new york and that is one of the craziest stories we've ever done and live there were so many pictures in there that were fuck that was a great live show that's a great story if you saw the live show you're you were lucky because that was a roller coaster it's a wild one man you don't know you never know what's what the real truth is until kind of the end when it clarifies and crystallizes but uh i really gotta stop

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probably marguerite hey it's a marguerite certainly uh yeah liz cummings uh michael hartley page and julie chris davis lindsey jermaine mel hancock jackshaw dim huggin i Chris Davis, Lindsay Jarmaine, Mel Hancock, Jack Shaw, Dim Hogan. I dig that. Very impressive. Rebecca Sykes, Jay Sean Martin, Jamie Moy. What is that? Solana, Don, Enrique Amaro. No, Amparo.

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We're getting close, man. I like it. No, we're not. No? God damn it. All right, let's do it. Thank you, guys. We love you guys.

Thank you. Brianne Johnson, Lindsay with no last name. Renee Wilson, John Broyles, Devon Devin, Devin Sylvia. Kate Norton, Dulce with no last name. Aaron Jones, Cadence. No, Candace. Dora, is that Jora, Leahy, Sydney would know last name, Regina Clifton, Laura Cole, Eric Lord, Jennifer Kilpatrick, Heather Trump, Gabaja Voice Visa, Nettie, nope, I'm so sorry, Adrian Padilla, Mike Pisani, Carly Keir, Caitlin, no, Kaylin Horton, JB, Laura Sautter, Jacob Turner, Andrea O'Rourke, Jared Butler, Jake Metter, Jamie O, Damian Bouchemin, Chantel with no last name, Sherry Littlefield, Dave Bonke it. Samantha Worry. Pam Bellinger. Desiree Navarro.

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Yeah. MG. Is that MG Hudson? I think Sprankle. No. Yeah. M.G. Is that M.G. Hudson? I think. I hope. Alex Davis, Hannah Davis, Gertrude Gortage, Gertrude Baines. I'm sorry.

Slick Rick, Cy Cannon, Jake Marceau, Matt Silette, Trent Becker, Lisa Becker, Sarah Cleveland, Maria Radcliffe, Annette Acevedo, Ines Ishmael, Meg Srendl, Dario Moyes, Summer Sidney, Amanda Gallipo, Melissa Randall, Allison Tate, Sylvia Smith, Melissa Schmaltz, Heather Hardman, Alicia Horner, Taters, what up? I don't know what that is. I don't know either, but whatiter, Molly with no last name, DeMarie Shelley Vandenberg, Robin Jarul Setley, Moore with no last name, Cody Purcell, Ryan Andrews, Joseph Miller, Tian Marsh. Now we're close, guys. I think. No, we're not. What happened here?

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We are humans and we're going to say how we feel. And we're not going to make it what the show's about, but if something crazy happens and there's something that major, we can't just ignore it, and we're not going to. We're not going to be silent on an issue that's something that we should all be yeah together about no one's gonna tell you who to vote for here that's not what it is but if something is like this is a fucking black and white fucking clear goddamn fucking issue right you know what i'll go into another i'll go in a little deeper on this for two seconds let's go into this because this is bullshit this is a high dive this

is a high dive and everybody fucking knows this i am so fucking mad at those other three fucking cops for not going hey what are you doing yeah not even in a fucking way of like yeah let's get them up now let's get them in the car every time i've ever watched something the reason you put your fucking knee in someone's back is so you can frisk and cuff them so they cannot hurt you once they're frisked and cuffed you pick them the fuck up because they have handcuffs on and if you are too big of a pussy to control a fucking person in handcuffs behind their back you don't deserve your fucking badge or your gun or your fucking car or anything else go work at fucking walmart and stock a shelf yeah not that there's anything wrong with that,

but that's where you fucking need to be. You're too fucking pussy and scared to do anything else. Something with less danger in it because you can't do it. Four fucking men should be able to control a handcuffed fucking person.

Period. Especially one who's not fucking resisting. Stop it. Cut the shit out. So there. Fuck it. Sorry. I didn't mean to get that specific, but I'm so pissed off about it.

It makes me so fucking mad. And it's not the first. That's the problem. That's the other thing. That's the problem. And it's not even thought of as a fucking thing. And the reason why he stayed on it is because everyone around there was saying to get off of him.

That's why he stayed on there. Because he's proven a point. He's proven a fucking point. Fucking asshole. And I think a lot of this, and I'll go off on a little half thing. thing i think a lot of this the reason why a lot of these cops are so fucking aggressive like this is because a lot of states before you're allowed to be a cop what do you have to do what do you have to do first uh not a lot be a prison guard a lot of them make you be a fucking prison guard a lot of states you have to be a prison guard for like two years or six months or a year

intimidation tactics you have to go into a place where everybody's already convicted and guilty and is a dangerous place and fucking control it because it's you controlling 40 dangerous men so if you don't fucking control them they're going to attack you oh boy so then they bring that attitude on the street that's a terrible plan you can't do that who thought of that i don't know that's that's like you got to pay your dues type of thing it No, those are separate things. All prison is all about keeping people fucking in. Right. The outside is all about talking.

We're about to be out. We can be out. It should be. Ninety nine percent of your job should be your fucking mouth. You can talk people in any direction you want. That should be. That's that's the skill I wanted a fucking cop. Talk.

Learn how to fucking talk. And then when that doesn't work, fucking listen. Yeah. Listen. And then if somebody's fucking trying to beat your ass, do what you got to do. But otherwise, don't fuck with people. That's it. That's all we ever ask.

That's it. That's not asking a lot. That's not a controversial stance. And if you think it is, then you're a fucking asshole. You are. Period. Yeah. Sorry.

And that goes for cops, too. There are fucking 90. you are period yeah sorry and that goes for cops too there are fucking 95 would hope i pray to god that 90 of cops would agree with what the fuck we're saying right now i really fucking do i hope so because if they didn't then i'm really scared for our fucking i don't want to go out in the street at that point because it's crazy and if and and the other point is if these if these stories are not in the press if people do not see these if somebody didn't tape that, we wouldn't know. You know what I mean? And the reporting of it is part of the reason that people are afraid and don't want to talk to cops.

So fucking act right, we'll act right, and we all get along. It's not that fucking hard. Now, what if someone wanted to complain about what we just said on social media? You can find me at WismanSucks, W-H-I-S-M-A-N sucks on Twitter, Instagram, and Snapchat. Please not even Snapchat. It's just Twitter and Instagram. That's fine. Either way, find me. I would love to tell you

to never listen to me. That's fine. Talk to me. I don't want to talk to you. You can find me at Jimmy P is funny. And by the way, if you're going to bitch at us, at us, not the fucking show. Don't get my wife involved in this. Sarah doesn't need to fucking fucking argue with you she's meaner than i am so don't worry about it you don't want to talk to her you come at me and we'll fucking get into it but uh yeah do that we're here we're we're we're we stand behind what the fuck we say last point

it's it's not new this isn't fucking new jesus no i was detained by police so many times as a as a kid as a teenager with my black friends, my backpack stuffed with weed and coke. They told me to get lost and not be around these gentlemen. And they search them, let them go. My friends just had the wherewithal to put the weed in the white kid's bag. Yeah, that's small and white. That's the point.

I was always let go. I get why. I know why. And if you don't, if you think that's wrong, you're fucking wrong. Yeah. No, it's true. That happens. And it happens all the time.

And if you're like watching live TV, you go, white people are getting arrested all the time. Yes. And they're on meth most of the time. They're on meth driving a vehicle with no license and they're drunk. With no license plate, zipping across four fucking lanes, then getting out and going, what motherfucker? And they're not getting any and they're still walking away under their own power you know it happens it's happened for a long time and it hasn't stopped

so just understand that things need to change and we're moving there that's a good shit so that said everybody i think that's about a good place to leave it until next week everybody it's been our pleasure Hey, Prime members, you can listen to Small Town Murder early and ad-free on Amazon Music. Download the Amazon Music app today. Or you can listen early and ad-free with Wondery Plus and Apple Podcasts. Before you go, tell us about yourself by completing a short survey at wondery.com slash survey. I understand that anybody who's paid attention to the media would have to come to the conclusion that I killed my wife. Hi, my name is Zach Stewart-Pontier. attention to the media would have to come to the conclusion that I killed my wife.