Small Town Murder - #175 - Cruel, Unusual & Pointless in Newville, Pennsylvania

Episode Date: June 11, 2020

This week, in Newville, Pennsylvania, local Wal-Mart employees find love, but things don't go as planned, when a new woman starts work in the photo department. What ends up happening couldn't have been predicted by anyone as it turns into a heinous murder, and completely inept cover up. Things don't get any less messy in court, as decisions get upheld, and thrown out, seemingly on a yearly basis. What a ride! Along the way, we find out Pennsylvania is half Arkansas, that building bicycles at Wal-Mart might not be your best career path, and that fingerprints plus confession, plus DNA seems pretty open & shut!! Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman New episodes every Thursday! Donate at: patreon.com/crimeinsports or go to paypal.com & use our email: [e-mail] Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder & Crime In Sports! Follow us on... twitter.com/@murdersmall facebook.com/smalltownpod instagram.com/smalltownmurder Also, check out James & Jimmie's other show, Crime In Sports! On iTunes, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts# See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Hey, we're going to be like an old pervert and say, hey, don't worry. We're going to do it nice and tasteful. You know what I mean? We got a nice package for you. So for everybody that thinks that sounds good to you wants to have fun i think it's time to sit back yes and shout shut up and give me murder let's go let's go on a trip jimmy yeah let's do this all right we're coming from new york we are last week and i wanted to kind of show that the northeast is very different oh boy because people if Because people, if they live in other parts of the country, they don't have any Northeast experience. They'll think like New York, Pennsylvania, same thing.

No. No. Not at all. I mean, Philly and New York are pretty similar, but not really. But they're both cities with the, you know, whatever. Yeah, that sort of shit. You know, on paper, they're similar. Their vibes are much different.

But the other parts are way different pennsylvania is the midwest pretty much like people don't consider it that but if you're there and it's basically west of philly you're in the midwest oh boy whether you like it or not so it is it's one of those deals bleak man it's bleak we've driven from pittsburgh to philly and uh it's the difference is vast it's yeah you go through it's crazy you go from city life to city life in the everything and that city life in pittsburgh is a different city oh it's a different city it's a grimy city and i like pittsburgh too i dig it it's just much we mean grimy in a complimentary way we like grimy it's a steel worker uh blue

collar grimy i dig it it's a cool town and town. It's fucking great. And I love Philly. Philly's so, oh, Jesus. It's got the best attitude in the world, so I love that town. It's a pissed off classy. I love it. I dig that. I love that place. I like somebody that says fuck while they're wearing a business suit. I like that.

I also like that that's the place where when people shout out shit at our shows and I go, shut the fuck up afterwards, they clap back at me. They go, thank you. Yeah. Because they got told to shut up that's you love a place like that that's like you know what i deserve that fuck me yeah fuck me that's right yeah it's perfect i like it this is in newville pennsylvania we're going to here this is south central pennsylvania so south of where you drive from pittsburgh to that's bleak

land out there it's there's not a there. South of the Turnpike. Two hours and 20 minutes to Philadelphia, three hours to Pittsburgh. Dead in the middle, man. Dead in the middle. What is south of Pennsylvania? What is that? Tennessee?

West Virginia's there. That's what it is, basically. Anything south of that Turnpike may as well be fucking South Carolina. It really is. It's South Carolina and the Midwest mixed in one. Pennsylvania is an odd state. It's a wild one.

It's a very odd state. It's about an hour 40 to Weisenberg, Pennsylvania, which is our last Pennsylvania episode, episode 132 from last August. This is in Cumberland County, zip code 17241. It's.43 square miles little tiny tiny town and uh we'll get a little quick history of this here it was founded in 1790 this is some old shit and this is in the middle of nowhere so i mean they were just the uk giggles it up yeah yeah old for here but this took them till 1790 to go i don't know wander out in the fields and find something to build a house on no idea but it was a church that laid the town out actually it was the big

spring uh presbyterian church laid out the town on their land and sold off the lots so they were like you know we have a church that's there's really nobody here right nobody for hours on either side and back then it was on horses so i mean nobody for days on either side. And back then it was on horses, so nobody for days on either side of us. If we want people to come to this church, we should probably build some houses so people can live here. Or a billboard. Otherwise, it's just if they pass by. We're not going to get a lot of foot traffic, I feel like. That's a good point.

Even if we have the billboard and get their attention, there's nowhere for them to stay. There's nowhere to stay. What are they going to do? Oh, well, just two days off to the south. Great. And your horse. Perfect. Four-day round trip.

Stop by and pray for a minute. So the first lots were sold to a few different people here. A bunch of people named Isaac. A lot of people named Isaac. Last name? First name. And then a guy I love, William McGonagall. Yeah.

That's a great name. The town remained a part of Newton Township until 1817 when they were granted a charter. And the railroad came through in 1837, the Cumberland Valley Railroad. That, of course, made it viable. Then you could have business because you could ship shit out of there. Before that, it was pretty rough to get things there uh they established a post office in newville in 1800 all right yeah exactly 1800 actually they uh they were upon being granted a committee was appointed here once they got a uh you know their shit together in 1896 to get a to erect a public fountain really wanted to erect a

public fountain it's like a water feature a water feature they really wanted to erect a public fountain. Just like a water feature? A water feature. They really wanted that. This place is huge with fountains. Oh, James, this is crazy. This is 1800 is when they got their post office. That shit was under charge of Ben Franklin.

He was in charge of that shit. 1800? Yeah, there you go. He would have been the boss of that thing. Give them one. That's bananas. I don't know. Those people in the middle of nowhere.

Yeah. They'll fucking write letters and complain if we don't. You know how they are out there. So they were appointed, a committee was appointed to get contributions and superintend the erection of a public fountain. Yeah. Erect that fountain. Stroke it.

Let's go. That's how you build a fountain. You got to rub on it. You got to rub on it. You got to get it erect. Get a good lick on it. I got a limp fountain, everybody. Spit on it a little. You got to rub on it. You got to rub on it. You got to get it erect. Get a good lick on it. I got a limp fountain, everybody. Spit on it a little.

Come on. Help it out. So they got... That helps my fountain. I mean, what the hell? What are you going to do? Well, they got a grant for free use of water, which will help your fountain, too. Yeah.

And they got a bunch of... They've collected funds, and they built the fountain. Okay. Whoop-de-doo there. They've collected funds and they built the fountain. Whoop-de-doo there. So it was a Mr. Henry Schreffler and his son John and a Mr. Macklin Williams. They dressed and laid a perfect circle of stones to form the base and the pool and all that kind of shit and did that.

They had vaudeville and minstrel shows come through as well. Lots of blackface is what they're saying there. Yeah, basically all the shows back then were like a bunch of people in blackface. Like in the 20s and shit, it was fucking awful. And then menstrual shows? Menstrual shows is not menstrual. Menstrual, that's blackface. I don't need any blood paintings. No, that would be a whole show of it, too.

Wow, that would mean they're doing it live on No, that would be a whole show of it, too. A whole show. Wow. That would mean they're doing it live on stage, which would be pretty fucking gross. I don't think anyone wants to watch that. I don't want to watch that. No. They had parades, too. A cornet player.

What the hell is a cornet? A cornet? I know what that is. I don't know what that is. I don't know my music. Is it an air thing, like a clarinet? I don't know what that is i don't know my music is it an air is it an air thing like a clarinet i don't know it's gotta be there's a guy named paris chambers organized a concert band and then uh that was there and then they had talkies right away when the cinema came out with talkies and all that kind of shit they were coronet is the one that's like uh angled down with the mouthpiece that comes out of it it's a metal mouth i think that's right what is it

it's a horn yeah of some kind yeah okay i metal mouth. I think that's right. What is it? It's a horn. It's a horn, yeah. Of some kind? Yeah. Okay. I'm pretty sure of this. That makes sense. I could be bullshitting and just made a whole story up for nothing, but I think I'm right. People will be tweeting.

Don't tweet us. We'll have looked it up by then. Don't worry. So reviews of this town. Found a couple reviews. One I found, here's a four-star review. And even the negative and the positive reviews pretty much describe the town the same way it's just whether you like that or not kind of a thing here's four stars

newville is a very family-oriented town i've lived in newville for a little over five years the community holds family-friendly activities year-round and for every holiday even if you're just passing through the community will treat you like family, which sounds like a fucking nightmare to me. I'd like to pass through undisturbed. Thank you. I don't need a wave. Say thank you if I buy something. That's about it.

Then I found a two-star review here, and it pretty much says the same thing, except they're not real thrilled about it. This is, quote, very small town, only one red light in like the mile-long drive from one end to the other. Absolutely no real social events slash places. Closest Walmart is 20 minutes away. Interstate relatively close,

about five miles away. You need a car to go anywhere. So basically the same review that the other guy left, except it's a small, bleak town that people want to get out of. Cornette's just a trumpet that's stupid just say trumpet we're past that thank you we're we did that like three

minutes ago i really gave a shit yeah i cared i don't people in this town uh 1228 uh down nine percent since 1990 now people don't have to tweet us though so that makes it better yeah that's why i did it uh yeah most of the people here there's a more 25 to 44 than normal so other than that it's it's pretty average a less married population because the people are younger uh single with children is a big one here though 25 of the people here are single with children which is way higher than normal yeah so i don't know why that is but who knows what what the fuck. Now, race of this town, 95% white. So pretty goddamn white is what we're getting at. 1.6% black in this town, 1.1% Asian, and 0.5% Hispanic, which is as low as I think we've seen.

I think so, too. That's pretty low. We've had a 0.0, haven't we? I don't even know if we have. I swear we have. I feel like there's always a couple percent. I mean, on one of the towns where there was like 90 people, it was 100%. Oh, yeah, yeah, that would be, yeah, 100%.

That's a zero. But this, how many people are here? 1,200 people, there should be more than that. It's 18% of the population almost are Hispanic, and there's 0.5%. And black, for that matter, is 12.5% here, 1.6%, but it's in the middle of nowhere. 53.7% of the people here are religious which is not surprising and it's just a mixture catholics methodists lutherans it's uh it's farmlands and shit there's no concentrated anything is there an amish community here too there's amish communities all strewn throughout pennsylvania that's it's you know half that's the other thing it's like half amish and half drunk yeah you know like my relatives live in scranton i come from

experience when i talk about pennsylvania we went there all the time and everybody there was shit-faced 24 7 while they're driving they drink glasses of boot not like a can or like put some in a thing a glass a rocks glass with fucking ice in it and scotch in their cup holder while they drive that's not normal they all have kegs in their houses i do admire the fucking they really like it though they don't give a shit what do we do who cares if somebody handed me i was i'm a professional drinker i can drink pretty heavy if somebody handed me that shit behind the wheel are you fucking mine what are you crazy do that how do you take a sip too it's pretty obvious what does he got a rock fucking dean martin over here what are we doing i'm really good

driving sir that is not a good that's not a good plan no i would say not so it's a little rough here uh 0.4 percent jewish so not very many. And one percent Islam, actually, which is unexpected here, to be honest with you. This county is a rural conservative to about 38 percent voted Democrat last time, about 56 percent Republican, not six percent independent. Unemployment rate and all that stuff is pretty much on point with average. The household income, though, is thirty nine thousand three hundred seventy five dollars. It's usually over fifty seven thousand. So that's a little low. All the groups under $50,000 a year are higher. So there's more people making under $50,000 a year here and a lot of manufacturing jobs, which is they kind of come and go, which is also tough

based on economy. The cost of living, though, is pretty low. $100,000 is regular average par. economy the cost of living though is pretty low 100 is regular average par here it's 89 which is sort of low but the housing is only a 60 oh thank god so that's good median home cost here 139,700 bucks it's affordable it's not yeah that's pretty affordable i mean a lot of the houses here are old though yeah yeah built before 1939 normally it's about 20 of of the houses. Here it's 68% of the houses. My Christ. Are built before 1939. Wow. So you're going to... Amish people fucked in there or something.

The depression came in there. They're like, we won't do this again. We can't build. Yeah, yeah. Well, no one was moving there probably. And the population's kind of stayed pretty pat since then. So there's really no reason to build. Right.

Unless individual people are building a new house here and there. There's like we're going to build a huge development i guess for what i guess between 1940 and today about 30 percent burning down seems about right and then there's that too and then they rebuild they rebuild that that's funny so the a lot of the houses are between 100 and 200 000 in that ballpark and if we've convinced you yeah damn it wow newville pennsylvania is for you we have for it wow newville pennsylvania's for you we have for you the newville pennsylvania real estate report your average two-bedroom rental here is about 1030 bucks a month which is too high based on the real estate costs it's not it's not right even justified is everybody's credit fucked here i don't know what that's why i feel like there's a month, which is too high based on the real estate costs. It's not right. How do they even justify it?

Is everybody's credit fucked here? I don't know. That's wild. I feel like there's probably not a lot of rental property, so you can... That's a fine-to-man thing. Yeah, that's sort of that deal. Yeah, I don't think they're building big tons of apartment complexes. I found a three-bedroom, one-bath, 1,196 square foot.

It's a trailer. It's like on the ground. They put some lattice around the bottom. This one's going to be here a while. You betcha. $39,995 for that bad boy. Get the credits out from underneath it. Oh, you know how that works.

Now, the big ones, anyway. The little ones get through the holes. I found a one-bedroom, one-bath, 296-foot murder cabin in the woods. Oh, boy. It is a little murder cabin. 296 square feet. It's fucking scary. It's between two hills.

People have been carved up there. But it's on 21 acres. Wow. 21 acres of hillside forest and everything. 155,000 bucks. That's a lot of land. It's not bad. I kind of want that.

It's just to go get away from shit. That sounds great. That's not bad. Listen, you could use that as a workshop and just build a place on it. It's not bad. I kind of want that. It's just to go get away from shit. That sounds great. That's not bad. Listen, you could use that as a workshop and just build a place on it. It's not terrible. That's a great deal. I like it. And that's what I mean.

I'm looking into that. But I found Pundit 155. Let's chip in on it. We'll see if we can pull it together. I don't know if we can do it still, but whatever. It's still almost a house. It's an expensive... Yeah, we're not going to do that.

It's an expensive... James, can you believe we have this land? Yeah, that's silly. So, still almost a house. It's an expensive... Yeah, we're not going to do that. It's an expensive... James, can you believe we have this land? Yeah, that's silly. So, not going to work. I don't know if I can cover this month. What about you? No, let's, you know, we'll leave it. You spot me this month?

Maybe someone out there in our show will do it. Just so that we can say we have it? Jesus. I found a six-bedroom, three-bath, 2,564-564 square foot shithole. Yeah. It's a big dump. Nothing's nice here. No, nothing's nice.

There's boards over holes on the outside of the wall like it's been hit with cannon fire or something. I'm sitting here waiting on fries. This is the nice one. It's got boards over it and shit. It looks like, like I said, it's been attacked by a pirate ship. $174,000. So you could have that.

For a draft every day. Enjoy. Enjoy, everybody. Let's see. Things to do here in this town. I found the Newville Fountain Festival. Oh, they love that thing. Dude, that's what it's all about is this fountain.

It's a tiny town. It still exists, the fountain? Yeah, they have that fountain. Everything's right around the this fountain they have a it's a tiny town it still exists the fountain they have that fountain everything's right around the fountain they're into other fountains now this fountain apparently fountaining is a gateway to more fountaining that's the problem so you got to watch out you start admiring other people's mountains that's what i mean it's like tattoos or something like that it's just it's addictive for a town you know like me i got a skateboard again i have like eight's addictive for a town, you know? Like me, I got to skateboard again. I have like eight of them. That's what happens, you know what I mean?

You just get into it. Fountains. Lucky it's not fountains, honestly, because they're more expensive. I get a new board for like 40 bucks, but this is different. So it says, activities for everyone. Come on down.

Look at the fountain. That's number one. Kids alley. I don't know what that is. It sounds creepy. An alley. Come on, kids. Come on. Come on down here right down this alley you know you know the street lights yeah no i don't think so there's just a clown waiting at the end holding some balloons hi kids he's a lone clown at the end

go on down kids alley everybody nope no thanks keep the kids away from that shit it's alley kids why would they do that nobody had any common sense to say that sounds creepy that sounds we shouldn't do that that sounds fun just come on kids come on down it's so fucking weird and then there's the petting zoo and they have obviously it's probably down in kids alley i assume of course the kids are the ones being pet. But that's a different kind of alley, I guess. Pet this, kiddo. You know it.

Then there's line dancing. Oh. Because another thing you have to understand about Pennsylvania is like southern Pennsylvania in the middle of nowhere, it's pretty much the south. Yeah. It's pretty much like Virginia, West Virginia. That's a lot of the kind of the culture there is that it's like Illinois. You think of Illinois.

You think Chicago. Well, go about 50 miles south of Chicago. And you, my friend, are in Arkansas. Enjoy. Fun. It's pretty wild. Because you're in Arkansas now. It's fucking.

Remember Stevie the Duck? That's what it is. That's the fucking. That's southern Illinois. Yeah. It's fucking creepy. So. Fetching frogs in the.

Yeah. Frog. Bass like frogs. Blacks frogs. It loves Yeah. It's fucking creepy. Catching frogs in the ground. A frog. Bass like frogs. Lacks frogs. It loves frogs. It loves frogs. So there's musical entertainment, of course. We'll get to some bands later on.

Baking contests. Yeah. Let's get together. Pit these people against each other. God damn it. We got to make you hate your neighbors 365 days a year. Fucking pitting housewives against each other. Bitch brought her secret brownies.

That fucking bitch, how dare she? I know there was weed in them, that's why they liked them. Motherfucker, oh. She makes that same shit every fucking year. I switch it up. What'd you bring, Margaret? Your ambrosia? Oh, wow.

Again? For the ninth year in a row. Yes, key lime pie. That's a real connoisseur. Really digging deep there the john graham library book sale sell off the library books when they get a chance to may as well our agriculture and farming displays oh i'm just gonna show you this is a display of farming watch me pick the wheat just call it what it is it's a tractor show that's what it is i

yeah it sounds antique car show oh okay i'm in so every one of these has an antique car show it's always a few old guys with antique cars they're like fuck it line up i'd like to see how fast and loose they're playing the term antique that's the other thing yeah i want to see how old these cars really are just because your truck has a dent in it it's still a 2001 tacoma i like your 82 caprice classic and all but we're gonna relax on that shit just because it's paid off doesn't make it a classic. Your 79 Mercury Zephyr can chill the fuck out. It can stay at home.

I think it can relax there. We also have historic tours of Newville. It's not that big, so you can pretty much do that whenever you want. Fountain. Hey, kids. Big Ben. European vacation. Craft and food vendors, of course, and then raffles there.

Now, there's a woman here named Beverly Ikes, who they interviewed about this. And she said, it's like one big family seeing each other. Oh, boy. She said she just had a piece of pecan pie from the baking contest and, quote, it was delicious. I'm sure it was. She's very very very there it says on a typical day there's only a few restaurants in newville but when this cranks up food vendors fill the streets and they have all sorts of stuff they this particular year there

were thai spring rolls barbecue pulled pork sandwiches italian pasta in a cup so much culture where i always eat my pasta out of a cup i don't know why they told you right out of a dixie cup yeah i guess they're trying to tell you like it's mobile you're not gonna be walking around with a fucking plate spaghetti and quote walking tacos made in doritos bags in other words white trash tacos they mix shit together with the dorito bag and shake it up and then you walk around and stick your fucking arm in there and get sour cream on your wrist. That's perfect. That is my trashy, trashy, trashy, trash. The bane of my existence.

I've seen it in 7-Elevens where you get a, they call it a Frito pie. Oh, yeah. No, no, no. Gross. Yeah, they love that shit in Texas. You open a little bag and fucking two-hand it. No, no. Not happening.

That's not nachos. I'm not doing that. That's what they're advertising. One of the four things. That's not walking tacos. I'm not doing that. That's what they're advertising. One of the four things. That's not walking tacos. Either that or pasta in a cup, Jimmy. Listen, a taco is a walking taco. That's perfect.

It's already done. That's what I mean. What do you got to fuck with it? It's in a container that's gone when you're done with it. Exactly. There's not like you have, oh, what am I going to do with this now? I have this thing. No, it's in there.

You just eat it. It's gone. Re-engineer this shit. It was done right the first time that's right it's like a sandwich it's perfect leave it alone it's a walking sandwich we're gonna put all the elements of a sandwich and mix them up in a bag there's just bread chunks and pieces of turkey and shit and lettuce and you just reach in and grab a handful jam your face in that Squirt mayonnaise and mustard on it and shake it up. No. Make a feed bag for a sandwich. It's already done.

God damn it. Jesus Christ. Fucking walking tacos. Oh, man. The Shippensburg Swing Band was there kicking off their shit. They said kicked off their set with a rendition of Earth, Wind and Fire Celebration, which must have been. I'm sure it was great.

Set that place on fire. Then they played a set of standards from the 40s to the 70s. Wow. Oh, boy. A guy named Gary Hoover loved their versions of Glenn Miller, saying, quote,

that's what I came for, and the... Quote, that's what I came for, and the food. Gotta have that walking Dorito bag. That's what I came for. Walking tacos and Glenn Miller imitations Glenn Miller not even Glenn Campbell

no no Glenn Miller from the fucking 40s yeah this is big band shit wow and then they said at 7pm the crowd laid down sat down in lawn chairs laid down I was like what the hell the Colorville they had a big parade

there. A baking contest and talent contests were going on. And at noon the next day, the Rubber Duck Derby kicks off, of course. Oh, no. Gotta have that. Then there's the West Pennsboro Volunteer Fire Company's annual fair and festival. I want to get you

to this thing. You gotta have that. A cup of Italian. And while you stand there with your mouth open just a cup of pasta in one bag and a bag of taco in the other just going you fucking trash you're all trash as i throw pasta cups at people trash oh christ on this one they have live bands each night. They have Rick LeBlanc and Bob Kissinger on one night. So buckle up for that shit. The next night, they have the North Mountain Ramblers.

Oh, boy. Yeah. Get rambling. Woo. And then the next night, closing it out on the Saturday show. This is the big one. A band called Midlife Crisis. Oh, I want to see those guys. Which is a bunch of 50 year old guys who were you know in bands in high school and they decided to

singing about singing how much they hate their wife well they they were only allowed to practice in the one divorce guy's garage that was it and nobody else would let him do it at their house they're like we could do it at your house he's like i don't fucking care i'm free what do i care he's like you know cries himself to sleep that night i got a bachelor i'm doing great this is a studio gary see that fridge in the garage it's only beer that's just a beer fridge that's the kind of life i'm living right now oh god it's oh jesus i'm so lonely can we play please it's the only thing that makes me feel better wash your hands don't use the towels towels. You know what I mean? You know what I mean? I got to wash them. So I have a review of this particular event.

I can't wait. From Deb. Wow. Lautenschlager, I think, or some shit. I don't know. Deb. Old Deb here left a review and it says, at your fair, the food. It's like a message to them.

At your fair, the food was cheap and delicious. Bingo was fun. And I like the game where you buy tickets to see if you won money. You know, a raffle. Right. I like that game. What do you call it? Never heard that before.

You know that thing that's like your lottery? Yeah, what the fuck? It's a goddamn raffle, you fucking jackass. That's the game I like. I know for a fact there's a raffle. Wow. People were friendly. People were friendly.

It actually says, I wish I was a member, but I can't help much. Can't afford to be a member of the volunteer fire department. Oh, boy. Don't know. This lady. So she wants to join up, but she's just. You could write that same review in like an angry. You know, it's the same thing.

It's the exact same thing. Same thing. I hated this because of these things. It's Midwestern vagary, basically, where they're like, did he just insult me? I can't tell. But if I said something, he'd be like, no, no, because that's what they do. Is she saying this shit's sarcastic because she doesn't like our raffle? Is that what she's saying?

That's what she don't like. Crime rate in this town. What we're interested in, of course. here crime rate property crime is just under the average it's just about average though and then violent crime murder rape robbery and of course assault the mount rushmore of crime is less than half the national average so it's it's under half it's pretty damn i mean geez not a lot of people right to be you'd have to be a psychopath to be killing people when you have room. Like, what are you killing over?

Relax. You know, it seems like in these towns, when it is small enough for everybody to know each other, that stat is really low. But it's because of that fact. You know everybody. Everybody's a fucking suspect. And that's the other thing. It would be harder to get away with something, because what are you going to do? Drive over to Bob's house, and then all Bob's neighbors are like, oh, Jim's car was there.

I've seen it. He drives the green fucking Ford. I know that one. They all know everybody. I saw him here. I saw everybody saw you. It's not just like, I don't know who the fuck it was. He'll be sitting in the living room with you while you stabbed him.

No, it's Bob. I got his address. You want his phone number? I got it. You can call him up. It's fucking ridiculous. They're all nosy and know each other. It's not going to go well. So let's talk about a murder. address you want his phone number i got it you can call him up like it's fucking ridiculous they're all nosy and know each other so it's not gonna go well so let's talk about a murder all right

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Get into this here. Let's do it here. Now, let's start in Virginia. This is in northern rural virginia we're talking farmlands rolling hills shit like that uh absolutely beautiful besides the fact that a body was found a tenant farmer on somebody's farm notified police about a suspicious vehicle on on a property that they had that wasn't supposed to be there. There's an old car, abandoned car.

Mercury Sable back here. Get that Zephyr we were talking about. So he calls police and police come. He says, can you come tow it away or whatever? So they end up coming and they want to tow it away, except in the trunk, they find a partially decomposing body of what appears to be a young woman wrapped in a canvas tent and stuffed in the trunk of this abandoned car. And this person still has a mouth gagged and hands bound. Oh, no.

So this is clearly not an accident. I got bad news for you. This car ain't going anywhere for a while. Yeah, they're going to keep it here for a minute. You didn't want this to leave. Now it's got to. Well, we're going to hang out with it for a bit. Stay here for a bit.

We're going to be here, too. Yeah, we're going to tow it away eventually. But then you won't be able to come over here for a little bit because this will be a crime scene. Sorry. Sorry about your soy in this area. It's not going to quite work. sorry sorry about your soy in this area it's not going to quite work but this apparently this some some poor young woman has met their demise in the trunk of a car bound gagged and wrapped in a canvas tent awful which is not the way you want to end your your existence here and uh so yeah

they're trying to figure out who this is it's in an abandoned car that's like an old rusted out car that's clearly doesn't't belong to someone. It's not like, well, run the tech. Use car. There's no way to do that. It's one of those things. So let's talk about some people here. Let's talk about some people.

Talk about a couple of young ladies. Talk about a young man here. We'll get into some stuff. Let's talk first about a young lady named Leslie Rae White. Leslie White. She's 18 years old in the summer of 2000 okay summer 2000 just graduated high school the year before well not the year before a couple months before graduates high school in pennsylvania and uh she she uh begins working lucky her in the photoshop

of a walmart store yeah in near mechanics. It's in Silver Springs Township. So, yeah, that's... But I mean, hey, she's planning on going to college. This isn't her career. Obviously. This is... Well, we'll talk about people who this is their career, but this isn't her. This is a summer job for her to make a little extra money, and she wants to be a photo journalist.

She studied photo, and she's majoring in that in college so anything that has to do with photos is what she's all about her bag so a photoshop here it's you know whatever she can learn a little more about developing i guess i have no idea a skill that will be completely completely obsolete in about 10 years from then five five yeah wait till photo bucket starts lady we. We won't need you. Well, back even like 2005, still like your phone camera sucked. Yeah. Like you'd still have a camera, camera, shit like that. But now it's like your phone camera is like a, you know.

Much better than any camera. It's a crazy, yeah. Your phone camera is a crazy camera now. So it's a totally different thing. It's better technology than like Amadeus was shot on. You know what I mean? Yeah. It's such a great camera.

So now she lives at home with her parents and uh you know just graduated high school yeah for graduation her parents had bought her a couple of presents uh number one they bought her a brand new black jeep cherokee wow which is a hell of a graduation present the fuck yeah it's a nice graduation but these are nice parents yeah that's awesome jesus christ you imagine that no no that's what i said oh my god jesus something with a computer in it that sounds great 2000 like that's great those charkeys are nice yeah the black black yeah cool car it's a nice one badass for an 18 year old girl good for you so uh yeah she she drives that and also you know she drives that to work she also goes to

her classes at the harrisburg area community college as well where she's a freshman there she starts at the end of the summer of 2000 and she's studying photojournalism there she wants to you know do a couple years there and then go to a bigger college and that's her plan basically to get out of this town that's off to you people that's right man so she really really was into art and photography uh at the time and was you know studying that she had an expensive camera her parents bought her the year before for her high school class it's about a 600 camera so you know a real fancy her parents are killing it they're they're doing they're being good parents here. Yeah, they're taking care of this kid, which is...

Shit, that's awesome. A Cherokee? Can you imagine? No. Your parents giving a damn? Not like that. That hard? We bought you a new car.

You're like, what? I got you a $600 piece of something that you love. What? I wouldn't believe the new car. I'd be like, what's going on here? Fucking... Yeah, this is bullshit. That's one of yours.

I get it. You're trying to get a response. Are you a response with me you're trying to get a reaction out of me where'd you get that you guys are gonna start laughing because there's no it's actually a friend's car it's nicer than anything you have so why is why do you have that let's talk about that we gotta report this to the government you know this is weird man so uh yeah she does she gets her she gets she's doing well this kid right so her first day of employment at walmart was on august 2nd 2000 say take a month off and then you get a job or perhaps she's probably looking for a job through july probably found a job you know start in a week or so it's it's walmart they're not like start tomorrow right you gotta go through some some shit. So she goes to employee orientation there that day, August 2nd, 2000.

And she meets a young man. Oh, yeah. A young man who was also starting work that day at the store. A young man named William Houseman. Billy Houseman here. He's 23 years old. So he's a few years older. But, you know, who doesn't like a 23- 23 year old who's just starting with them at Walmart.

And it's a, you know, things can go on and they become friends. At least they're both younger. They're within the age range of if it's you guys and, you know, some 38 year old woman and some 50 year old guy, you guys are going to talk probably over the same age range.

So they started working that day. And also working at this store is a woman named beth ann markham or markman i'm sorry uh she's 34 years old beth is and uh she works the store as well and she kind of talks to she talks to them and they kind of all kind of hang out basically that's how it works um now she does the photo lab stuff white White and Hausman is a bicycle assembly man. Oh, that's his job. Tough gig. Put together bicycles.

I knew somebody who did that. Toys R Us. That was their job. Was just building bicycles at Toys R Us. It's only a couple of wrenches, but it's fucking painstaking. Oh, it's like, yeah. Oh, he fucking hated it. He said it was the worst thing in the world. I would hate to like, if I have to build something with instructions. with instructions yeah like let's say one time i got an ikea desk i swear to god it

took me 12 hours to put it together i laid it on the floor at like 11 in the morning at 11 30 at night i was still like trying to figure out the finishing touches of it i'm not even kidding i'm terrible with instructions and things like that i can see how things are engineered and see how they go together but i don't understand the order that they go together and i feel like a dummy when instructions are telling me how to do it because now i'm just like you're gonna fucking preach to me i can yeah i can handle a bolt i can do this and i'm going and i always put steps in before other steps and then have to take the shit oh that's my problem is i'm taking things apart not because i got tried to get ahead of myself just because i did it wrong because i'm bad at it

well shit i'm just i just that's what i would do all the time oh well this goes on well fuck i did why didn't you tell me that before right i get so fucking mad so i am terrible with this shit so if my job was to finish that you have no idea the sense of accomplishment after 12 hours of building the desk i felt terrible about myself that it took that long but i was like i'm never putting anything together ever again it's done and i didn't do shit for like two years with anything but now if i had to finish a bicycle and then be like and then go start on the next one nope i'd take the chain out of the box that it comes in and i'd hang myself with it right from the fucking display rack right there it's where you'd find me i realized that it's not necessarily uh just me that does it uh but when watching my stepfather put together a barbecue grill a barbecue grill

james it took him 11 hours to put together a barbecue grill that man was a mechanic jesus christ he just refuses to do uh by the by the book he's trying to put it together freehand first then he's like what the hell are they saying well this isn't right oh well that bolt doesn't go there that's why it's like you didn't engineer it it's not an insult to look at the instructions like how come the fucking basket doesn't work now you can't get the actual grill oh because i have to take all this shit back apart and build it around yeah that's why see i only i've only bought one new grill and i had it assembled because i'm like i'm there's gas involved in this if i fuck this up i'm gonna blow myself up like just one

hose there's still like if i mess it up i'm gonna be shooting propane everywhere with flames this isn't safe i'm not gonna be the guy to do this you know what i mean yeah i'm gonna get somebody who knows what they're doing here if a desk falls apart whatever but i'm gonna take this box and take it back to the other guy that this is his job all day and he's gonna look at it and go great another fucking grill good well that's what you get motherfucker enjoy that's his that's his problem you know what he can do buy a grill and someone else put it together so uh yeah this sounds like a nightmare putting bicycles together an easy thing so white and houseman here uh billy and leslie strike up a

friendship they have a friendship they're hanging out a little bit and eventually they start hooking up a little bit becomes romantic in nature as they say and uh that happens with young people that are hanging out they're in close quarters and quickly yeah okay you know they're looking for people everybody you're young who gives a shit you know what i mean so uh yeah she thinks she found a decent guy that she works with to hang out and yeah kind of a boyfriend there yeah good stuff so uh everybody's fine um now uh they would sometimes show up at work together you know if they were like hanging out the night before and things like that uh leslie would be driving because she had a cool car she's got the car she's got the jeep you know what i mean extended She's got extended warranty.

Yeah. You know, she would take him home sometimes. They'd leave together sometimes if their shifts corresponded. And then she would drive sometimes when like all the coworkers would go out during break to get something to eat or something. She'd be the driver. She's proud of her car. Sure. And one time, Leslie drove him to her house, but she just ran in and got something and he didn't go in and

like meet her family or anything like that because it wasn't like a serious you know they weren't looking at they weren't engaged or anything they're just hanging out they're just kids that work together that are you know kind of hanging out and that's fine yeah having a little yeah that's what you do if my kid lives at home and she's got somebody in the car bring that motherfucker in the house i agree but i don't even know if they knew that he was out there or i mean it's because an 18 year old kid like that that's going to go to that's going to college as a job she's kind of got her own little life and she wants it that way she wants to have a little bit of freedom and who knows if she want every guy she talks to she doesn't want to have

to introduce to her fucking mom you know it sounds like her parents seem to be pretty cool they're yeah because they're not like me that's the other thing and also it might be that she's not real you know exactly proud of this guy either to and not serious about him is another reason why i mean if she's serious about him she's gonna be like i really want my parents to meet you yeah every girl i've ever known that's like really into me they want they want me to meet their parents they want you know they and vice versa you want to introduce them to people look what i found isn't it great show it off hey look at her and she wonderful hey look at him so uh eventually though they're hooking up and shit like that so uh that's the one time though he was at her house was just in the car now the only sticking point because this

sounds fun i mean who knows where it goes or when they break up who cares you know what i mean just kids she's 20 she's yeah she's 18 he's 23 that's right she's that much she's 18 he He's 23. That's right. She's that much. She's 18. He's 23. So whatever. She's just having a relationship. And the thing she doesn't know, though, is that Houseman has also been with Bethann Markman for two years. The 36 year old? The 34 year old that also works at Walmart. Okay. That's a real relationship.

That's two years they've been together. They're steadies. They're not just having some fun on the side. so obviously you know it's a little sticky not only if they've been together he lives with her what in her trailer in newville oh my so they live in a trailer park in newville yeah and uh yeah so he's going with uh 11 years older and five years younger yeah and not and expecting that one that's 11 years older to not be like, what the fuck? Yeah.

She's going to pick up on this. And the younger one, though, she doesn't know they're together. She doesn't have no clue. She doesn't know they're together. She just thinks you've met a nice guy in there. And it turns out he's got this relationship with her. Not only they live together, for Christ's sake. I mean, they're I guess Walmart's a big place.

Yeah. I mean, if you don't work in the same department. It's a pretty large store. It is, too. And the departments seem like they would be very disparate as far as. It's almost not even walking distance, some of those stores. I know. Give me one of those old person carts.

I really got to do this. Going to get a gift card and they're, where are the LOL dolls? And they're like, oh, back there in that corner. I'm like, eh. Never mind. She'll be all right. I'm good. Eh, fuck it.

It's just her birthday. She'll be fine. She'll get over it. Jesus Christ. Give me another one of those gift cards. She has a lot of dolls. You have gift cards by the register, right? Can I get one more of those?

Perfect. I never walked that one out. Oh, no shit. So two years and living in a trailer, which is the peak of romance if you you know obviously you come home from walmart to a trailer with your that's what uh what could be more romantic than that you take off your blue vests together throw them down on the bed and then the sparkle hits your eye or maybe it's that little stupid smiley face on the vest you see that and you're like oh yeah i know it's under that smiley face a titty they went away from the smiley face and now it's just like an asterisk yeah it's whatever the fuck it is but

this is 2000 so they have a smiley face so i was picturing a new thing so oh what's that you got there new rollbacks come here and roll that back come on i got something you can roll back my parents didn't circumcise me so uh yeah now she's 34 yeah works at walmart yep and um it's also on probation oh my god uh for this couple's great you know what i mean for an arrest for bad checks okay so i mean a 34 year old chick who lives in a trailer and writes bad checks and works at walmart is she's not killing it let's just say and uh and she has a 24 year old boyfriend or 23 year old boyfriend who's banging the 18 year old from the photo department so it's a life could be better for everyone involved for everyone

honestly except for maybe him he's doing yeah he's done Seems to be crushing. He's done nothing to earn it. He lives with a woman. He doesn't make enough money to live, but he lives with someone, and he's banging multiple women of various ages. And one with plenty of prospects and her whole life ahead of her. So, yeah, I mean, you know, whatever. There's hope in that. There's hope in that.

Granted, it's liberal arts, but whatever. Yeah, it's photojournalism. Good for her. But she's also a real smart kid. She's a smart person, Leslie. So anyway, Beth ends up discovering that this is going on after a while, which she discovers emails. This is like, you got to really fucking...

Back then, it wasn't like he had a phone and it didn't have the code on it. He had to leave a computer open with his email open. Why are you emailing? That's the other thing. I guess for phone calls. So the phone calls wouldn't be. Show that he's all up to speed with technology. Yeah.

I feel like people thought back in, like, 2000, they thought they were slick if they were emailing. Like, no one will ever see this. This is my email. They won't hear me on the phone. I'm smarter than that. They don't check my phone records. You know, because a girlfriend or boyfriend will check phone records if they're suspicious or something back then when they used to list every fucking call on your thing. So, yeah, she found the emails between Leslie and Houseman and she is fucking pissed.

houseman to end the relationship with her immediately yeah right now and then told several friends beth does and also co-workers all around walmart that she had full intentions of kicking leslie's ass as well she's gonna beat up an 18 year old beat up an 18 year old over a dirt bag who puts bicycles together and fucking freeloads off of you in your trailer. He's my Huffy McKenzie. Yeah, he puts together my BMX. Like, no. Calm down with your Murray. He's going to get my GT Pro Performer. He's my Mongoose Man,

and don't you ever forget it, motherfucker. Mongoose Man. Those are some 90s bicycle brands if you're a kid in that era so yeah there she's gonna kick it he doesn't seem worth kicking an ass out no he seems like you kick honestly you kick him out of the trailer and then maybe make friends with her if she's decent and be like isn't he a scumbag Tell her that he's a scumbag. Make him pedal his ass on down the road and then go make friends with her. Yeah, I bet he's a phenomenal bike rider.

Dude, oh, forget it. He's got a... Never mind. I just see like a mechanic with like those patches that prove... Like a coverall with patches. That they took like horses and he's got like Schwinn certified right on his chest. Yeah, the coveralls with, you know, no break in the pants and shirt all together with a zipper on the top part of it. You put it on all at once and he's got like a Schwinn thing here.

It's like an airplane. Like a fucking pilot. Like a fighter pilot suit. And now I picture him with like greased hair now i see why everybody wants to fuck him filterless cigarette hanging out of his mouth while he's like doing a wrench up i'll have this for you ready in a second there buddy crank crank crank brake pads in his pocket the bottom of his cuffs rolled up kind of too high it's a little warm in here you know what i mean you know it goes there sounds hot as shit he's on one of

those fucking uh what are they the rolling the rolly thing under the car and putting a bike together he's cranking something on that for some reason he's with a 20 inch huffy above him on his back to put a pedal on yeah rolls out hold that i'll be with you in a minute yeah i'm just finishing up crank crank smoke hanging out i'm down here putting beads on the spokes. Totally picture it. Making noise. Someone comes in the belt, ring, ring. I'll be right with you.

I got to ring a fucking bicycle bell. That's the belt. Ring, ring. That is great. Oh, boy. So about a week after the email incident, right so uh about a week after the email incident um co-workers noticed that beth shows up at work with bruises on her face on her eyes on her neck which she says was a fight they got in that houseman did this they got in a fight over the emails but that was a week before so i mean

obviously something happened she was in some kind of fight but i don't know if it fight over the emails but that was a week before so i mean obviously something happened she was in some kind of fight but i don't know if it was over the emails listen man those emails are going to come up for a long time you know what she's yeah you know what she's probably three years from now there's gonna be a fight and there you go what happened remember those emails he's one of those guys it's like i've heard enough about the emails maybe or something i don't know the emails again either way not cool no uh now on one occasion beth called walmart while she wasn't working to speak with leslie um and we don't know exactly what was said but other co-workers know that at the end of the call leslie hung up the phone and uh ran away crying oh so apparently it wasn't a nice call it wasn't

like just calling to introduce myself uh you know we met at work before by the way this dude's a dirt bubble but i think it was more like you fucking little bitch i'll come over there and kick you in the twat and uh you know had nothing to do with her uh three by four glossies that's what yeah i was gonna say i'm gonna drown you in fucking development fluid or something i don't know what she's threatening her with but but she's threatening her pretty good, apparently. Also, after, I guess, Beth had stopped working at the store, at some point here, Houseman gets fired, by the way, too, for being not a good bicycle repairman. For forging his Schwinn certificate.

Well, you'd only get fired for one of two reasons. Either you didn't put enough bicycles together or kids got hurt bad. You either didn't do it enough or you did it that too terribly. Not at all. Well, one of the two are the only reasons to get fired from that, right? What else could you do? It seems like it. Yeah.

What else could you do, really? Your quota or your quality. One of the two. So I don't know what else. What are they looking for at Walmart? I mean, honestly. I don't know. Somebody that won't bitch about not having health health care yeah you're good right okay how you

feeling okay there you go good job stock this be here again tomorrow so uh and we're on your side if you work at walmart we're not making fun of you we're saying that walmart it's a fucking place a fucking cabal of assholes that treats you poorly and we don't like it and they're all at the top yeah exactly people who make a lot more money than any of all of us so beth also when she one time when she after she stopped working there beth visits the store looking for leslie where is she where is she and then apparently i don't know if leslie wasn't there if she was on break well not her shift or whatever or if they were just like, hey, go in the back. Fucking crazy bitches here.

And she's after you, basically. Hide. Yeah, hide. But apparently, she didn't get a hold of Leslie on this trip and ended up just leaving without incident. She didn't tear up the photo stand and then leave. I don't believe it. Knock over the big Kodak display. Right. I don't think that happened. A couple of fujis through the wall yeah fuck this so uh but that's

say around that time period beth did tell a friend of hers that quote if she ever got her hands on leslie she was gonna kill her you can't so you can't just go around telling people that but i i think trash does that. Yeah. That's a trash thing. I've known a lot of people who are like hardcore white trash, and they'll just say shit. Yeah. You know what I mean?

They're like the wild, wonderful whites. Right. Except they actually shoot their uncle in the face. They will do it. But most people, these people are like, I'm going to fucking kill him, and I'm going to do this. It's just, you know you're ineffectual, and you that so you're trying to project strength i get it in 2000 also there was a lot of that phrase being thrown about you know like 12 angry men you know i mean like

where they got him mad and he goes i'll kill you and they're like will you you know yeah it was very i i said it a lot then but i meant like i'm just gonna i'm gonna fuck somebody up that's really the phrase that i meant but that's i mean she didn't say i'm going to a b and c i'm going to you know do this and that and dismember her and take her to a fucking a gully and toss the parts down and then make an alibi this is just i'm gonna fucking kill that bitch like that's people say that kind of stupid shit all the time um she also though which is this is not smart if you're gonna do you can tell your friends and you can talk shit to your you know people around you but she had a meeting with her probation officer a woman named nicole gutshall and jesus christ she told the fucking probation officer

this is a probation officer how's your life going she said well i caught my shithead scumbag boyfriend cheating on me with this girl named Leslie. And if I catch him cheating again, I'm going to fucking kill that girl. Did she think this was a counseling? Yeah. Probation officers like, so no drugs in your says like, what the fuck are you talking about? So you're saying it's not going great. Well, yeah, you can't tell your probation officer that.

No, that if I that's that's insane. Why would you fucking do that? One of the who out of everyone everyone in her life if there's one person she shouldn't have said that to it's the probation officer and she's like i'm gonna fucking lay it on the table so imagine who she how many people she was saying this everybody if she told the probation officer it's just part of her like routine at that point hey how you doing oh yeah what's a nice weekend that's good i'm gonna kill this bitch if i ever see my scumbag cheating boyfriend with him again have i told you that jesus christ so this keeps going on kind of a back and forth uh she's are you cheating on me oh i'm not cheating on you of course not and all this type of thing apparently though when leslie found out that he

was with beth and beth is threatening her les Leslie broke it off and wanted nothing to do with him anymore. Yeah. She was like, no, thanks. Hey, heard you got a girlfriend. Yeah. She's older and she throws hands and she works here and she threatens me. This is fucking crazy. You said you were like, I thought you were just some dude like this is ridiculous.

So she breaks it off with him. So, you know, Beth gets her wish anyway. Not that I'm sure William wouldn't be out there with whoever the fuck he found. I feel like Hausman's a bit of a dirtbag here. And when we hear about his history, you're like, yeah, I could get that. Seems like you need somebody a little more discreet, though. I would. Yeah.

Something on the slide. Let's see. If you're going to cheat on your girlfriend, maybe don't do it with another person from the same job you both work at. Maybe that's a step in the right. Yeah. Like, like you know maybe try the target down the street see if you can get somebody in there and what do you think this is a restaurant yeah yeah come on jesus that's expected in a restaurant this is walmart for

christ's sake yeah higher standards than fucking everybody lord you when you live in a trailer with someone that's a commitment at wal, damn it. Get your shit together. Head over to the jewelry department and get yourself a ring. That's a whole. This is really a one-stop thing. It is. I like that girl in the photo department. I'm going to head over to jewelry and marry that girl.

I'm going now. I'm going to shit. She can be our own wedding photographer. Right? Honey, honey, can you take a selfie probably? You're going to want to see yourself in that first bride and groom with selfies only only just a fucking blurry one that someone's grandmother took she didn't focus it damn it she just had to she just had to click the middle i

said just tap it it'll focus it she didn't do it was drunk again so october 4th 2000 so this is you know a couple months after she started working at walmart so in two months of this she's had william and on and off and then she breaks up with him and all this has happened and it's kind of settled down for a couple weeks that they're not together and everything by october of 2000 so busy august and september for everybody here now this night um they she uh you know they were um they said she wanted to break up with him but they would still talk because young people do that it's a hard thing to and especially if you're the only person you're hooking up with it's like well i mean i still

kind of like the guy we can still be friends and that's the other thing too that's that's fine so she gets a call that night leslie october 4th saying that it's for it's it's houseman and she's saying that uh that uh her father died or his father died not her father died how would he know well he's calling her you know i'll let you know your father died they told me down they tell the bicycle department first always they notify us in case we need bicycles for the procession obviously but then after that they notify next to kin i just said i'll take care of it no it's uh yeah his father died and he calls her and says my father died and i'm in a bad place and um you know this is fucking horrible and um basically can you can you help me get over this

can you can you be with me and just kind of, you know, that sort of thing. Comfort. Comfort me tonight. Yeah, I need somebody here. My girlfriend's a bitch. You know that. You know that. She's crazy.

So at the same time, this has all been going on in the last week. Houseman and Beth made plans to move to Virginia to make a fresh start. Move away from this girl and and walmart and just let's get to a new way because that'll change everything that's like they might as well have said let's have a baby right that'll you know it's the same amount of time of this that'll fix it let's have a baby and buy a bigger house yeah that'll fix it for about a year and a half and then it'll be shit again you'll be so busy working to try to support this shit you'll forget all along that you're fucking miserable that's what it is and that's they're

gonna move to virginia to just fresh start because that's that's obviously the environment that's causing the problems not the fact that they're both assholes volatile as shit yeah so um she becomes suspicious though uh the week before the beginning of october became beth becomes suspicious that houseman has not ended his relationship with leslie she's like she's very suspicious of this as she would be because he's a cheater and you know and she knows it now so obviously she's gonna have her suspicions uh now beth drove her car uh yeah drove both of them she drives that this is october 4th she drives houseman and herself to a local uh store called sheets yeah um with a z i don't know where they get sheets i don't know is it a bar

that's what i mean they call it a sheets store oh but with a z i don't know like urban sheets i guess yo motherfucker gets sheets right here like the commercial it's like one of those terrible it's like a fucking 48 year old balding white guy like doing like bad like you know appropriation hip to the hip hip pop of the fucking rapping and shit and badly he's just got like a he's got khakis a polo shirt but like a backward sideways hat and he's like hey come get sheets i'm from the streets you think walmart would close this shit yeah i would hope so you're fucking a better homes and gardens over at walmart why do you need this shit so well that's that's this is the night she drives to the sheet store where there's a pay phone outside the sheet store and this is where houseman uses the pay phone to call leslie to tell her that

uh his father has died and he needs somebody there. Meanwhile, he's with Beth. He got somebody there. Yeah. So he says, please come console me. He tells Leslie that Beth is out of town, which she is in the car driving him there. So it's a little strange. Now, Walmart employees heard that White received this call,

and Leslie told her coworkers that, remember know, White received this call and and Leslie told her co-workers that, you know, remember bicycle dickhead? His dad died. And so I'm going to leave a little work a little early tonight to console him. And, you know, pictures from whoever's graduation can fucking wait. I don't care. So so Leslie stops home. She her her mom said that she had a chicken pot pie that night mom made. So she had some chicken pot pie.

She said she had a report due the next day for class. So she grabbed the report and said that she was leaving. Goodbye. See you later. And so that was that. Her mother said she usually came home around like 10 o'clock after Walmart shift. Because she left to go to Walmart. Got it. came home around like 10 o'clock after after walmart shift because that's she left to go to walmart and then you know ended up getting the call at walmart and leaving walmart early to go

console william there so uh the mother says she usually expects leslie home around 10 o'clock she gets off her shift at nine or so she hangs out she gets home at 10 and uh yeah so she said that uh her daughter was working there like i, to try to build up her photo shit here. But about 10 o'clock came and she never came home. So her mom was hanging out, kind of, you know, periodically checking it out. You know how it is. Maybe 1030. Yeah, 1015, 1030 comes around.

She's not there. She's not there. Obviously, her mother becomes a little concerned at this point. Everyone else in the house has gone to bed, but she stays up. The mother does because she's worried. Usually, Leslie, if she's late, she calls. She's a very conscientious young lady, apparently, from what her mother says. So finally, midnight comes around.

So now it's like two hours late. So she wakes her husband up and she's like, hey, Leslie's not home. You know, we got to do something. And I'm sure the husband was like, what? I don't know. She's fine. You know how fathers are. They're laying there going, I don't know.

How long has she been missing? What the fuck? I don't know. What's happening? I don't know. What are you talking about? Yeah, call whoever you want. Go back to sleep.

You do it. Yeah. I'll be good. I'll help. And then you go. Yeah, right after you say your help. i'm gonna get up i'm gonna get up yeah so uh she you know an hour or two later go an hour or two goes by and she calls leslie's boyfriend which leslie has a boyfriend yeah like a like an actual boyfriend boyfriend does

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ad free by joining wondery plus and the wondery app or on apple podcasts uh but i don't know when she got the boyfriends i'm not saying she was you know who knows what the hell was going on there and she's 18 who cares honestly so uh yes she uh the mother calls leslie's boyfriend to say do you know where leslie is obviously because that's the other person that she would go see he told her that he called leslie also and hasn't heard from her so i've been trying to get a hold of her too so shit thanks for calling but if you hear anything you tell me so they both kind of have that if you hear anything let me know uh he So they both kind of have that. If you hear anything, let me know. He also said, Leslie, this is the boyfriend.

Leslie left a message on his phone that night saying she had plans to go to Newville to console William Houseman, who the boyfriend, as far as he knew, was a co-worker at Walmart. And, you know, that was it. So that's all it was. So at that point in the phone message she left for her boyfriend she said that houseman's father died in virginia and all his father was all he had and that houseman had threatened to commit suicide by walking out in front of an 18 wheeler on the interstate oh my god so she was going over there to talk him off the fucking side of the road

i guess i don't know he said i can't take it i'm gonna go run out in front of a truck and she said okay i'll help you out here that's used in this oh it's disgusting oh that's the that's probably the worst thing you could do to manipulate somebody is say 100 i mean if someone's actually right if you're really doing that's another story cry wolf but to cry wolf motherfucker that makes people not right respond to a lot of other people's shit i hate it and not even have their yeah that's a fucking it's not just like the manipulation tactic it's also something with like it has to do personally internally i hate it because it's gonna fucking uh just gives suicide and people that are really

up in the end of the rope a really bad fucking look yeah it does it and if you hear it a lot too you don't uh everybody hears that type of shit all the time so you don't respond when you don't respond we should be more uh aware of people um that way you know what i mean like this is a personal thing for me where I have a horrible, horrible guilt that I have a friend who committed suicide and he texted me an hour before he did it. Was it vague or was it super serious? He said, you up. Yeah.

It was 2.30 in the morning. Right. And he said, you up because I'm his only friend that he knew would be up in the middle of the night. But I was tired and I had been working on a script and I knew he had been having all these problems with his girlfriend and I knew that it was going to be a two hour conversation and he was going to, and I was tired.

I literally had just laid down. He had no idea what was going on. No clue. So like, fuck, I don't, I thought he was going to be like, Oh,

this exactly. Like, cause we've had these conversations a million times tomorrow. And so I just didn't respond. I was like, I'll just say I was asleep. It's cool. And then that's the next morning. that so damn it yeah that i have oh jesus christ it fucking keeps me up and i have such guilt that one shouldn't get you it does though man i know it

does i have a real arm's length policy with people since then and that's kind of why i feel like if they're yeah i don't want to be i don't know man i don't i'm apparently not equipped or whatever i don't have enough human something to figure out i don't know what it is but i feel like i'm i'm you shouldn't be around me or something because it's not going to help you well i feel horrible about it still cd about like a notification in my phone i gotta check it and it's not just like right now but like when i see it i've got to look at it and yeah i mean and and i can't like just leave it if it's something like that a lot of times well yeah about 95 percent of the time i go yeah what's going on yeah and then i'm i realize also and me too because i had done i had done it a million times i'd done it a million times before and that day for some reason

i was it was 2.30. I literally fucking head hit the pillow. And I heard my phone go off. And I'm like, oh, I can't get up and talk for two hours now. Still tomorrow, man. And I felt bad. I was like, I'll text him in the morning, I'm sure. He'll hate it again tomorrow.

Yeah, exactly. He'll still hate her tomorrow. And then it'll be fine. And then, no. So, yeah. So, I get the, you know, she's going to try to help. She has motivation to help. She has a heart.

Especially when you're 18, especially. Oh, God. It's a totally different thing. When you're 18, your friends mean a ton, and you want to help them, and you think you can make a difference in their life and change them. And meanwhile, they won't even remember you in 20 years. Well, and also that kind of pushes you to maintain drama throughout your life, too. Yeah, yeah, yeah. When you're 18, if you absorb that and always want to be a part of it when you're 27 and married your husband would be like what why do you do that

happens sometimes yeah your wife stop it yeah it's it's it's interesting so so yeah um now her mother when she hears this from the boyfriend yeah that this is what she's gone to do the mother says oh that makes sense because she's a real nice person and like that's she would do that sort of thing basically she's like okay she relaxed a little bit like all right that makes a lot of sense she says quote i taught my kids no matter what if somebody else need if somebody needs help you go to them i raised my kids that way and still to this day if someone needs help whether it's whether monetary or what we help them uh yeah she says but it usually comes back to bite you yeah which it does it's whether monetary or what we help them uh yeah she says but it usually comes back to bite you yeah which it does it's often helping people yeah but every once in a while it's worth

it and then that's important so those are the things that keep us human so uh basically she said that um but still the no call thing is weird why wouldn't leslie just call and go hey mom doing this with my friend and uh you know i'll be home later don't worry about me she said quote my daughter would call home. She would let us know if she possibly could. So we knew from the minute she reached the trailer that she had no opportunity to call because she would always call and let you know where she was and what was going on and stuff like that.

So basically, she didn't sleep that night, the mother. She sat up all night. And then in the morning, she files a missing persons report. She calls the Lewiston files a missing persons report she calls the lewiston police to file a report she was told that since her daughter was 18 years old and free to be anywhere she wanted to be no that her mom can't really do anything about it if she just didn't come home for a night because she's 18 years old we're not going to track down your kid for you because it could be just it's a you don't know if this is just she's trying to use you to find her kid it's

like well that's not really our job is to find your kid but in this case she's 18 i'm worried about her you might want to take a look what is the lewiston police department doing what else do they have to fucking do you know what i mean what's going on there that they're so fucking tied up listen drew carey and the price is right just came on so yeah can you call back later we have a backlog of 10 000 rapes we're trying to solve. No, no you don't. It's Lewiston, Pennsylvania. You don't have shit going on. So, chop, chop.

Right. But I mean, that's their policy. I get it. That's not like the individual person. I get that even if you raise the age to like, I don't know, 21, 25, the age ranges of people that go missing and are in dire need, it's still uh if you keep doing that then you're gonna have somebody that's 26 yeah that needs help that basically go get between 18 and 70 you can do whatever you want and disappear for a couple of days and you're fine once you're

70 then they'll put that they'll all go looking for you for christ's sake put alerts out lose their silver alert to embarrass you he's old and missing everybody's what i'm fine i'm 71 i went for a job people for me i'm just sick everybody i was going to vegas for the weekend jesus christ let's see a show silver alert i'm not decrepit i was running you fucking jerk jesus christ so uh the mother's pissed off about that so rather than take that as an answer and wait, she calls four more law enforcement agencies to help to try to find help looking for her. Finally, she spoke with a deputy, Brian Vaughn of Franklin County of the Franklin County Sheriff's Office in Virginia that said and she said that she you know, he said he would help try to find her he's got even less to do than the lewiston state lines why not well down there he'll because it's all in the same area this is way down in south pennsylvania so it could be over in the next state who knows so

she could have drifted down there yeah we don't know so basically they found somebody with less to do than the lewiston police department and he was like, I'll give it a fucking crack. I'll give it a whirl. Why not? I've been looking for police work for five years. I'm bored. Yeah, I'm super bored here. So he's looking to help.

She's missing. So obviously, where is Leslie? We'd all like to know. Well, here's what happened that night. Let's talk about it here. Leslie arrives at the trailer. This is the address he gave her it's the trailer where he lives with beth uh she arrives there um he talks to her in the living

room they hang out in the living room talking this whole time beth is in the bedroom um she's in there not making her presence known leslie has no idea she's there not out of town not out of town and uh leslie thinks she is though She thinks they're alone in the trailer. And basically, what Beth will say later on is that she heard a thump, a thumping noise, and she heard Leslie cry out. This is because she believes that he hit her in the hand with a hammer at this point. In the hand? In the hand with a hammer. Good Lord.

I don't know why you would do that. I can't imagine what the fuck reasoning you'd have for that that's a that's a odd first step yeah so at this point apparently beth pops out to help subdue leslie and help tie her hands and feet with speaker wire oh no speaker wire which is a fucking just shitty man it's just shitty it's just you don't even fucking i don't know it screams of desperation of tools yeah i don't know fucking just shitty man it's just shitty it's just you don't even fucking i don't know it screams of desperation of tools yeah i don't know what it is but it's less insulting if you at least plan something i don't know why you had some zip ties i mean i get what we're saying we'll talk about splitting hairs i mean it's honestly either way anytime you're attacking a young woman is you're way out of fucking bounds of anything but i feel it's just

it's even more insulting to not even think about right like not even i don't know give the person that much thought to where like okay we'll plan it right i don't know even though planning it's worse who the fuck knows but this is planned but they just didn't plan it well which makes it worse it's it's a little more you're right you know it's insulting if somebody goes we need time up and they just like look around the room yeah there's speaker wire right there think about this you fucking assholes that's how little i fucking mean are you guys that incompetent right this is why you got fired from walmart for your fucking poor bicycle construction you piece of shit i hope she was

saying this the whole time fuck man so uh yeah they tie her hands and feet with speaker wire they then shove a large piece of red cloth into her mouth and use another piece of cloth to tie a tight gag around her mouth so she's got a cloth in her mouth and then she's gagged too like a mechanics rag so yeah but yeah that's fuck so she's that's fucking horrible so yeah, they have her tied up now with speaker wire and gagged and they leave her there for a minute. And they go outside to smoke cigarettes and figure out what to do. You know, we don't want to smoke in the house. Right. You know, be nice to draw the line here.

I mean, I got a fucking security deposit. I don't want the carpet to stink. It's a lease. We don't even own it. We'll find a tie up young women who've done nothing wrong and do this. But Christ almighty, i'm renting here so they go outside to smoke cigarettes and discuss what to do next because again this is not a good plan meanwhile they lured this girl here right so that was a plan but they didn't have any plan beyond that just okay get her here and then half okay now

what do we do where she's fucking tied up now what what? And then he hit her in the hand and was like, Beth, it didn't work. Shit, now what do we do? I feel like, yeah, at what point do you plan the next step? Do you think that was going to end it, you idiot? Don't even plan the whole thing. Just plan the next step. We're doing this now. After that, we're going to do this.

Just plan that part. Not just like, well, we got that done. Now what? Fucking idiots. Now her hand's injured and she's tied with speaker wire. So, yeah, that's how that works uh so they get in there they they smoke some cigarettes they re-enter the trailer where jesus christ where beth holds leslie down uh against her struggling obviously while houseman strangles her with a speaker wire oh my god. Yeah, and the crook of his arm.

So he had her in a chin lock and had the speaker wire to hold her in place while Beth held her body down. Nice fucking game. Jesus Christ. And her crime that she deserved this was emailing him. She just had no idea. It was just making friends with a guy at work who was a scumbag and hooking up with someone on the side when he had a girlfriend. Holy shit, man. had no idea it was just making friends with a guy at work that didn't who was a scumbag and and

hooking up with someone on the side when he had a girlfriend holy shit she did nothing to anybody this is unbelievable nothing to anybody right here so uh yeah she uh ends up passing away from this obviously um during the struggle uh leslie scratched markman uh beth in the neck as well got her she was struggling that's why they're it's yeah i don't blame her christ this is During the struggle, Leslie scratched Markman and Beth in the neck as well. She was struggling. That's why they're, it's, yeah, I don't blame her. Christ, this is disgusting. So anyway, she ends up dying from asphyxiation caused by strangulation and also the rag stuffed in her mouth because she couldn't breathe in two different ways.

So what they do then, I'm sure after many more cigarettes and contemplation, they decide that they are going to wrap her body in a canvas tent and place it in the back of her own Jeep. So they're like, OK, that's what they do. They bring a tent that they have and they wrap her up in it. They carry her outside and put her in the back of her Jeep. OK. And they're like, OK, now what do we do? OK, well, let's take off. let's go to virginia let's just finish our plan of a new start in virginia so beth drives her own car while asshole houseman drives

the jeep drives leslie's jeep with leslie in the back of it oh so gross and they caravan down to virginia there uh they drive to a remote piece of land in the middle of fucking nowhere that houseman's mother owns and placed white's body here leslie's body in the trunk of an abandoned car at the edge of this property and went away they threw out all of her personal effects got rid of all that shit except her camera which they kept because they're going to sell that of course obviously yeah that's got to get a couple bucks out of that jesus so yeah they leave her at the abandoned thing there and obviously it's the the farmer like we said sees the car calls the cops right that's how that goes so uh they remain in virginia for a few days they stay with some friends they also stay with Hausman's father, which is interesting when we hear later on what he says about his father.

Alive and what he'll say in court later, I wouldn't be voluntarily staying with this man, probably, if any of it was true. So, put it that way. So, Hausman continues to drive her Jeep, just all around around. Basically he's staying with his dad, driving the Jeep, driving the Jeep around Virginia, hanging out for a few days, driving over here. Hey, make some friends go over there. Yeah. Why not? Uh, staying with a guy named Larry over street and Kimberly Stultz.

And, uh, they talk about the whole thing and, and Beth backs him up saying, oh yeah, we bought the Jeep from my friend in Pennsylvania. Just got it. It's pretty nice. Right? Yeah. So that's how it is. They're all like, how, we bought the Jeep from my friend in Pennsylvania. Just got it. It's pretty nice, right? Yeah. So that's how they're all like, how'd you get a Jeep? That is scummy. For my friend.

Yeah. Just pretending like everything's fine. Everything's fine there. Now, when they're at this house, Beth gets the camera, Leslie's camera from the Jeep, and then they all take pictures of each other with it. Wow. Yeah. They say, oh, I got a camera.

Let's take pictures. This is with it. Wow. Yeah. They tell you, oh, I got a camera. Let's take pictures. This is a joyous occasion. They pose with the car, with your arms around each other. Like people post on Instagram. They're doing this with her camera. Just go out. Oh, I got this camera. Yeah, that's great.

Yeah. They see. Now, the people here, their friends, the over street and stults, they saw scratches on Beth's neck and said, what happened to your neck? You're all scratched up. And she said, oh, I was playing with a dog. I was playing with my relative's dog, and the dog scratched me, which Frankie does that to me, especially if you let her play with her when she's going nuts. So she said, oh, they're from a dog. And they said, OK, never thought twice about it after that.

Yeah. So at that point, they're're asking are there any pawn shops around here so stultz gives beth uh the phone number of a pawn shop and uh the shop owner will later say that he gave beth 90 and a pawn ticket for the camera so that's where she went to pawn the camera beth asks stultz for cleaning supplies because she said quote quote, the Jeep smelled bad like somebody had a dead animal in it. Oh, Jesus. It just smells bad. I got to clean it out.

Smell. I don't know what the previous owner was doing in there, but just a dead animal. Yeah. Like it's fucking Goodfellas. It's a Scott. I hate a Scott. Right. Like, no.

Wow. Yeah. Beth also tells Stultz that Hausman had been seeing another woman. And if I ever come across this woman, I'm going to whoop her ass. That's what she says. She's saying all kinds of crazy shit. Yeah. To a person they've already murdered.

Right. So another woman, a friend of hers named Nina Jo Fields. She says that during the time they went back there uh beth told her that houseman had been cheating on her but that she quote didn't have to worry about that damn bitch anymore because she took care of it that's what she told her friend this is after all this she said i don't have to worry about that damn bitch anymore because i took care of it didn't elaborate on how she took care of it and i feel like the friend would just be like okay like she's a type who'll go off on a jag all right it's like when she says i took care of it you go okay so

anyway thank god that conversation's over have you seen 90 day fiance right like you know let's get into something else so obviously there's an investigation still going on while all this is happening simultaneously they the they filed uh leslie's parents have filed missing persons reports and the authorities what they end up doing here police track her jeep down to virginia because now they're looking for plate numbers and shit so this is deputy brian vaughn that she called and said yeah fuck it i'm bored i love police work i'll take a crack at it what the fuck you know what I mean? He goes to the house where this Jeep has been spotted.

It's a small area. He goes to figure it out and knocks on the door. Or before he gets to the door, he goes to talk to Beth and he sees the Jeep there in the driveway. He runs the license plate number, which comes back to Toyota Leasing Corporation. It's like, okay. So it doesn't come back to a particular person because it's a brand new car. It's still owned by the Leasing Corporation. Their computer probably wasn't up to date as far as registration. He just ran the plate number.

So anyway, Beth here, Beth and Hausman, they come to the door to say hi to the deputy there. Hey, how you doing, pal? And deputy questions both of them separately about the Jeep and takes him in the patrol car. Makes that a little interrogation booth here. And Hausman's question first. He told the deputy that he called Leslie to ask him to console him to ask her to console him about his dog, which had just died. He says, my dog died. I was very sad.

I need something, Beth. On the phone, there's some, I mean, it's a game of telephone. I said dog. She thought I said dad, so she rushed over. Who knows? Yeah, dad, dog. I mean, I don't know why I'd run out in front of an 18-wheeler if my dog died. I like my dogs, but I'm not going to fucking kill myself over dogs die.

They don't last as long as you. You are not going to outlive it. If you have a dog, you're pretty much guaranteeing yourself, I'm going to bury this fucking thing. Unless a tragedy occurs to me, this dog is fucking, I'm going to outlive it and it's going to be sad. I just bought something I have to have a funeral for eventually. I just bought a very, very sad day is what I bought.

And every day, that day down the road gets sadder and sadder. Oh, worse. Because I love this dog more and more. I'm growing more attached to it. So, a houseman said that Leslie never got to the trailer. Yeah. She just never got there that night. I asked her to come.

She said she'd come. She never showed up. So, he said, I waited for a while and then said, fuck it. She just never got there that night. I asked her to come. She said she'd come. She never showed up. So he said, I waited for a while and then said, fuck it. I just left with Beth and went to Virginia. And the guy said, well, what about the Jeep? And he said, oh, my friend, let me borrow it. This is my friend of mine in Pennsylvania. Let me borrow it for the ride.

So here I am. That's all. So then she... Okay. He talks to Beth who voluntarily gets in the patrol car and everything and explains to Deputy Vaughn that she'd only seen Leslie once. So I've only seen her once, but I've had several phone conversations with her. She said, I don't know where she is, obviously. From what I've heard now and everything, I do know from rumors around work that Leslie had a bad relationship with her parents and things were pretty crazy at home. So, I mean, she could have run away.

Who knows? Which is totally not true. She's a wonderful relationship with her parents. They're nice people who treat her well and she appreciates it. But also, if you see her, she's been ducking me. She's been ducking me. Let me know. I'm going to whoop that bitch's ass like fucking right then and there when I see her.

She's done. I'm going to tell you what. That damn bitch. I will beat her ass if you see her. I love when people misuse damn. I love that. It kills me. So, yeah, she said maybe she ran away.

So they said, all right, fair enough. You don't know anything about her. Where'd you guys get the jeep and she said i don't know how i you know billy there houseman he just had the jeep i don't know where the fuck he got her from it's none of my business i don't know and uh she said that he said well don't you have your car too and he she said yeah what happened she said we drove separately he's like okay so you drove separately to virginia that's a weird thing to do so then he asked deputy vaughn asked beth if she was afraid of houseman are you afraid of him he's trying to give her like a thing like are you are you not being honest with me because of what's going to happen when you go in that house basically twice or some shit yeah exactly and she said not at all she said actually i'm the one with a violent temper if anybody's scared of anybody it's him of me not me of him uh because you know i'm the one that causes i'm the one that has physical

fights and he just takes it basically watch billy look at those emails and see the door shut i told you scared of me that's it see god damn it door shut quick he went oh fuck slam the door damn fucker's scared it's obvious don't you see it look at him pussy so she said that she had a violent temper and often uh houseman had to restrain her when she was trying to attack him physically with weapons and everything else often he has to like basically bear hug her and get her to fucking stop just walk her to the floor i i don't know just you're gonna be calm now you you gonna be calm now? You gonna be calm now?

If I let go. Yeah, are you gonna stab me if I let go? Like, what a weird thing to have to do there. that's a bad relationship. Yeah,

she said that she, as a matter of fact, has provoked him time and time again and in the past, she's thrown things at him and hit him in the head with shit,

but she said that he never assaulted her or even threatened her no matter what, even no matter what she throws at him or tries to hit him with basically like sweet officer i try to provoke him i'll tell you what i'm looking for a fight and he just won't fight me he's i think he's a pussy you know what you try to fight him and see if he'll fight you see if you take your badge and gun off and just be like what's up pussy and see if he's just got anything to say officer i've been trying to figure out if he's a pussy or a gentleman i don't know

to me it's the same thing if you'll now with my background you could bait him yeah i'm guessing gentlemen that's yeah someone like beth i feel like to her that's the same thing right you know unfortunately you open the door for me what are you some kind of pussy fucking pussy Jesus Christ I can pull my own chair out thank you would you call me and ask me out you're so needy thirsty motherfuckers what we're together

talking about I just told everybody you're my girlfriend what are we doing you said that last night remember so anyway the detective is the deputy is like, all right, well, I mean, nobody's admitting anything. He has no evidence to go on. He's got a Jeep and a missing Jeep, but he can't match them up on the license plate right now. So there's nothing to do.

So he leaves, basically, and documents all this. Following this police visit, Houseman and Beth drive back to the property where they left leslie's body and they dump the jeep off there too oh that's not good they abandon the jeep out there that's the worst thought that they've had yeah because they figure apart from killing somebody well they're doing a thing like okay we're all in on that spot right i mean there's already a body there so if they find the body that's kind of fucked right away so i mean we might as well go all in on that one spot you know i think i feel like that's what it is like if that's our best spot let's let's put all of our fucking eggs in that basket so the answer of like dropping the jeep back law enforcement

saw us with this yeah we put it with the body that's a bad next to the body that's i mean they're so confident that nothing will be found there that's the only way it is that's the upside down like nobody can get there that's it and then a couple days later they discover the body and they also discover the jeep right there as well so many fingerprints oh well let's find out about that uh let's see houseman's fingerprints were found on the car that your body was in on the trunk lid you know like when you slam it right don't wipe it off on the license plate holder thing on a compact disc removed from the jeep on the jeep's hatch and all sorts of other evidence from everywhere that their fingerprints are all over everything did that say who the cd

was i did not i was so mad too i tried to find it i tried to find i could not fucking find it 2000 could have been anything hoody fucking hoody fucking third eye blind or some horse shit you know they had sugar ray playing these assholes you know they did you just still bopping their heads you can't see me at home but i've been doing it just for jimmy's benefit it's like yeah acting like i'm driving like i'm gonna fly fucking jeep's gonna take flight right now god damn it jesus i really want to know that that will tell us i mean we already know so much about them yeah but that'll tell us everything oh boy a lot more a lot 311 or some icp i was just gonna say you know it's like insane clown posse Posse or something, I feel like.

He listens to that while he puts bicycles together poorly. So, also, Beth's fingerprints were found on a potato chip bag found in the Jeep. And the Jeep's passenger door and the rear hatch. And also, subsequent analysis later on will reveal that Beth's DNA is also found under Leslie's fingernails. You betcha. Which is a real tough thing to explain, saying I've only met her once. She somehow has my DNA under her fingernails. We shared a bag of walking tacos.

So obviously, your DNA gonna get mixed up when you do that. I mean, that's more than sex. Kind of the point of a walking taco. You know what I'm saying? Might as well fuck somebody and's your bag of walking if only they could get the pandas and the koala and the koalas to do that they'd have they wouldn't have to try to get them to fuck because their dna just gonna mix in a walking taco so i could save the koalas save the koalas more walking tacos have them share a bag of that and then just jam the bag inside out up a panda pussy

and that will get them pregnant every damn time that way every time no matter what happens we just solved the problem we did it that they can reproduce it will now boom boom boom as long as there's fucking dorito taco bags walking tacos gross. So they're looking into it. There's obviously they find all this evidence, and they're like, let's get a little more evidence here. Let's figure out what we can. What they find out is pretty interesting. They find out that two weeks before this murder happened, this is wild, Hausman had gone to North Carolina to try to find somebody who could change the Jeep's title

to show him or Beth as the owners. What? He was already planning this, literally the paperwork for the title to change so they could legally drive this. Literally, it seems like the whole thing is let's steal her car. He's trying to get a power of attorney? Like what? No, he's trying to get like a title switch.

Somebody who does fucking falsifies paperwork. That is unbelievable. That's what he's trying no he's trying to get like a title sweater false somebody who does fucking falsifies paperwork that is unbelievable that's what he's trying to do and then he can file the falsified paperwork and it's their car so that's what he's trying to do that so this whole thing seems to be over a car right over a fucking jeep that's what it sounds like but or it's just like we're gonna kill her anyway might as well take her jeep may as well keep it i guess or dump it in the field we bought it from her and then sent her on her way some somebody and then she must have ran away afterwards she sold her jeep took the money and ran away i guess that's the plan to say like we bought the jeep and she must have took off so yeah fuck he did that um also the the deputy there tracked the black jeep to the the you, to the property that the body was found on.

Police work over the course of the next week leads to, you know, some confessions, basically, out of this whole thing. We'll talk about. It's hard to explain without a confession. Yeah. In a minute. Now, the mother, Leslie's mother, said, quote, that's that's how he got. That's how he was going to get the Jeep. He picked her as a victim because of her Jeep, which is possible.

That's disgusting. We don't know. Yeah, the Pennsylvania State Police obtained a search warrant for the trailer, for Beth's trailer. And they found blood on a pillow, urine on the carpet in the place where she was strangled, along with blood right there as well. They also discovered two lengths of speaker wire. I mean, like they cut it off and left the rest of it there like well i don't need the rest of that uh red fibers on the floor which matched the gag in her mouth a piece of red cloth that was torn to make the gag in her mouth a steak

knife uh red fibers on the knife where they cut the knife where they cut the cloth to put in her mouth a tent storage bag with no tent in it that matches the tent that fucking Beth was wrapped in. They couldn't have made it more fucking obvious. They basically said, let's kill someone and then just say fuck it and go hang out with our friends. Well, the worst is like... Let's not even do a cleanup here.

Right. Also found a hammer and a stethoscope. And we'll talk about the stethoscope as well. Oh, yeah. Yeah, this is bad stuff here. They got a stethoscope to make sure she's dead? Oh, they got a stethoscope and we'll talk about the stethoscope as well oh yeah yeah this is bad stuff here they got a stethoscope to make sure they got a stethoscope yeah and we'll find out exactly what happened there this is these people suck yeah houseman and beth suck there's zero zero thought and planning to this in the first place but even on top of that it's so cold it's

cold that's it's ice cold they don't give a shit so uh october 11th 2000 is one week after the murder this is when they are arrested beth and houseman they're both arrested uh police retrieve leslie's camera from the pawn shop and develop the film she left the film in there she took a bunch of pictures and then just sold the thing and left it in there they're so fucking stupid the pictures taken were at the over street residence where they were admitted later on into evidence in one photograph uh the this this is horrible this is by the way you know like three days after they strangled leslie to death in one of them uh beth is laughing while houseman pretends to strangle her in one of the pictures holy shit yeah that's one of them, Beth is laughing while Houseman pretends to strangle her in one of the pictures.

Holy shit. Yeah, that's one of the pictures. Like, look at what we're doing. Wow. It's like, isn't this a fun inside joke for us? I hate them so much. Don't you want to just punch them both in their respective genitalia? I mean, it's terrible that somebody's dead because of them, but thank god they're terrible at this oh they're they're they are so bad at this they are dangerous as fuck if they're

good at this that's oh yeah if they were if they could say hey let's get rid of evidence and like they would be seriously dangerous on killer couples they would be natural born killers is what they would be but instead they're just like so their walmart employee that's the thing that their walmart levellevel fucking skilled murderers. They're Walmart quality. If you could buy a murderer, you'd buy them at Walmart. At Walmart. In the $5 DVD bin.

That's where they would be. In the $5 DVD bin with all the Kirk Cameron Christian movies and shit. And you'd have to dig to the bottom where they've already been touched a bunch. And that's where these two fucks would be. You know it, man. With a big smiley face that says, roll back. Roll back. Yay.

Doesn't that turn you on? With stickers that said $9.99 on them underneath their $5 sticker. You know it's five still, though. You know. So they receive Miranda warnings when they're arrested, and Beth and Hausman both waive their Miranda rights and agree to be interviewed. Obviously, tape recorded statements. Independently, they each confess to participating in the murder. Hausman admits to killing her by strangling her, but claimed that Beth instigated the murder to eliminate one of their relationship problems, which was Leslie, which was a major source of contention with the emails and all that sort of thing and she he claims that

she told him that this will enable them to start the relationship anew we're going to start over she'll be dead you could just move yeah she's not going to follow you it's not like she's i'm going to come i need william houseman i'm going to move there too you know you've never seen him again you could disperse and just break up the relationship and then meet somebody else and then start anew there you go without each other because you're both shit bags this is a bad cocktail these two so he says that beth told him to tie white to tie leslie up and strangle her, and that Beth forced compliance by hitting him with the hammer and then spinning the hammer in a threatening manner,

saying she's going to hit him again. With the claw? Oh, Jesus. She's like dancing with it? Oh, like kind of flipping it around in your hand like you'd twirl a gun? Right. She's doing that with a hammer.

Like Doc Holliday with a shot glass? Yeah, except with a fucking framing hammer. With something that stings. Yeah. She did that and it was threatening him. Like, if you don't do this better, I'm going to do that. After Leslie, they thought she was dead. Beth listened with a stethoscope to verify her death.

Okay, I don't hear a heartbeat. And then they wrapped her in the tent. Scummy. That makes it, why so much worse? I don't know, but it really does now in her statement beth admits that she did buy she was the one that doing the binding and gagging uh there uh she did it to white and held her down while he strangled her which is pretty much what he said too their stories pretty much match up except in her version houseman was the one who devised the plan to kill her in order

to steal her jeep and uh coerced beth's assistance by threatening to kill her with a hunting knife if she didn't obey him now uh she also said that he wore her resistance down by terrorizing her the night before the murder by holding a knife to her throat and forcing her to remain naked in the trailer all night okay with a knife to her throat it seems like yeah i'll do it she said yeah she said she only realized leslie was dead when uh when she realized that she lost control of her bladder that must have been the thing so that was what it was so she said that's when i realized which you know i i don't see the thing is I don't believe either one of them. No, I feel like they did this shit 100% together.

They were like, let's do it. And they were with each other every step of the fucking way. That's how I feel. He's like, I'll check her with the, with you can blame here. Like I was the one certified at Walmart. I'm old. I know how to use a stethoscope. I was in charge of the first aid cabinet.

I do it. I do it. God damn it. I did the blood pressure check. Well, I would call the company when the machine was broken, but I was in charge of it is what I'm getting at. I overlooked as he calibrated. You know how it goes.

So the prosecutor here is a guy named David Freed. I fixed it once because they said, is it plugged in? And I was like, you're right. All shit. Fixed. See, now I can work on them. I know blood pressure stuff and medical things. So give me the stethoscope.

He said that, you know, some of these murders, who knows? He said it's not necessarily sometimes there's drug related and sometimes there's, you know, relationship problems. People murder each other. But he said this is ridiculous. Basically, he said, quote, with Hausman and Markman, this never had to happen. She truly was an innocent victim in all this. She simply was graduating high school, gotten a job, started to find her way in life and came across these two and paid with her life for having done nothing at all, which is you

can't argue any of that. She did nothing. This is a good point. There was no drugs in this at all. These two fuck faces did this. This is sober. I mean, I don't know if they had a six pack or something, but either way, this is kid. That's a good point. There was no drugs in this at all. These two fuckfaces did this sober. Sober? I mean, I don't know if they had a six-pack or something, but either way, this is ridiculous. They charged them both

with first-degree murder, conspiracy, kidnapping, theft, and unlawful restraint and abuse of a corpse. So there. I wish they'd thrown in Grand Theft Auto, too. No shit. You could hit them with everything. Theft. Theft is on there. That ain't big enough. Yeah yeah i don't know pennsylvania they might not differentiate here

uh the state says gonna go after the death penalty on both of them good fuck them both they say let's go after both of them here now the uh the one of their attorneys here is a public defender for beth and then another defense attorney named Hubert Gilroy for Houseman. And basically, these are court appointed defenders, but they're private lawyers that are appointed by the court for the purposes of this, because if they don't have public defenders in a small county like this, they might not have public defenders with enough murder case experience to where that would be an appeal problem as they had some shitty public defender didn't know what he was doing so they bring in bigger charges there now both are bigger lawyers both of their lawyers are trying to get the kidnapping and criminal conspiracy charges

thrown out of court they don't want those because that's the aggravator that makes it a death penalty case basically the one lawyer gilroy houseman's lawyer he was asked by the judge to do it and he said quote i don't normally do court appointments. But he said that, you know, it's a capital murder case and he's got to do it. He says that he makes these type of things. He says the court pays him, quote, less than 50% of what he would charge a capital murder client. He's like, I'm not making my full nut here. This is bullshit.

So he's trying to get it thrown out because she came there willingly. Well, I guess so. Yeah, I guess that's going to be the fuck you. That's going to be the legalese on that one. The both Markman and Houseman both want severed trials. They don't want it to be tried together because it sounds worse if you can introduce both of their bullshit in there. If you can introduce both of their bullshit in there. So Hausman moves to sever his trial because introduction of her confession to police, which was admissible, would violate his Sixth Amendment right to confront a witness against him.

Which turns out to not be like that, really, because they're co-conspirators. So that doesn't fucking matter. It's not a witness who's outside. It's a witness who was helping you. Co-conspiratorship is different. Therefore, the trial court den denies the motion says you two assholes are going to go together two idiots in one courtroom which is going to be fucking hilarious wow two idiots one courtroom that's a video i will that's yeah that's perfect so october 24 2001 is jury selection and uh they do two days of jury selection 50 candidates they can only pick 10 people who were selected on the panel in those two days they're having a hard time finding anybody

at all here to do this for some reason they said they have to continue jury selection to get six more jurors to have alternates and everything like that so they go on it just went on forever this jury selection the trial comes up and bet Beth's lawyer blames everything on Hausman. That's what they do. They're saying he bullied her into it. His attorney claims that he admitted killing her and stealing her car and camera, but he denied kidnapping or planning to kill her. That was all Beth's idea. I mean, I did this stuff.

I feel so bad for these lawyers. I know, like these two fucking idiots. They must go out and get shit-faced at the end of the day did the stuff. I feel so bad for these lawyers. I know, like these two fucking idiots. They must go out and get shit-faced at the end of the day at the trial. We have to deal with these two fucking morons. I have to try to get them the best case possible. Dumb twats. Work my ass off within the guidelines of the Constitution. For these fucks, they don't even deserve it.

They deserve none of it. So, yes, Beth testifies that she endured two years of physical abuse from him. She said the beatings intensified when she learned that he was having an affair with Leslie and all this sort of thing. Hausman and Markman, they both decided to do a duress defense. So they're both saying that the other one was forcing them into doing it. That's their thing. So same trial and the jury's got to decide between them yeah that's the official thing is the use of or threat of a threat to use unlawful

force against their person of our person of another which blah blah blah so yeah they threatened them so uh upon learning that beth intended to show she acted under duress as a result that's when he filed it again. So then he files another severance motion saying that that again violates blah, blah, blah. And the court says, nope, we're trying you idiots together. This is happening. We'll leave it up to your peers. This is going to happen.

We cannot wait. We got 10 Walmart employees. They're all here. Those are your peers, by the way. Fired Walmart employees. They're all here. Those are your peers, by the way. Fired Walmart employees.

So the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania here, they play an audio tape of Beth's confession, and they altered the references to housemen and replaced it with another voice saying, quote, the other person. So whenever she would say, like, Billy did this, they would stop, and it would just be an outside voice saying the other person rather than Billy. That would be the replacement. So good. That's what they played in court, which is hilarious. It really is.

She initially denied knowledge or even knowing that Leslie had been in her trailer the night she was killed. And then she ended up giving it up. She changed her story and said that Hausman was helping. This is what she said after that. Hausman was helping Leslie run away from her parents and while beth drove to virginia in her car he's saying that uh that houseman drove with leslie to virginia in the jeep and then when police asked about the scratches on her neck she changed her story again and said she got in a fight with white the day she left virginia but then that's the last time she changed her story again and said she got in a fight with white the day she left virginia but then that's the last time she saw her okay so she changed it from i've only seen her

once to we we were hanging out and drive all in a big caravan together too we got in a fist fight we were throwing some fucking hands and then we left the next day and never heard from her again this is all in one tape confession so lying lying lying so after further interrogation she finally confesses to her role in the murder but she blamed houseman by for making her participate by threatening her and terrorizing her she said that when leslie arrived at the trailer in response to the phone call she said that she stayed out of the way yeah i was like i'm gonna stay out of the way and you know i don't want to get involved until she heard leslie cry out when she got hit in the hand with a hammer and that's when houseman forced beth to come out

and tie white up tie leslie up gagger blindfold her and then she said after he strangled her he made beth wrap leslie's body in the tent and put it in the Jeep. And when asked why on the stand he killed her, Beth said that she believed that he wanted the Jeep. So, yeah, this is, you know, I mean, come on. This is kind of silly. But she also testifies that she was constantly physically abused in the months leading up to the murder by housemen. She also said that she she that he terrorized her for two days preceding the murder, at which time he cut her clothes off with a knife, repeatedly raped her and threatened to kill her if she didn't do as instructed. That's a hell of a story.

That's a lot. That's her last story that she comes up with in court. That's that's in court. So her testimony also includes. That's a hell of a story. That's a lot. That's her last story that she comes up with in court. That's in court. So her testimony also includes, that's a wild one, details of the night of the murder. She claims that when she drove him to the gas station, she didn't know he was planning to call Leslie. Didn't know that. She attempted to escape once they returned to the trailer, but Houseman violently prevented Beth from leaving. Would not let her leave.

She said that uh even when leslie was bound and gagged she didn't know that houseman was planning on killing her she was in the kitchen getting leslie a glass of water when the strangling went down she was like oh i'll i'll get our guest a glass of water and she you strangled her already i got her water that is impolite not her initial confession of i held her down right while this happened so yeah it's a little different in court uh he she also says that he houseman ordered her to return the gag to white's mouth because it had slipped and that she only obeyed him because she was afraid he would kill her too that's it now obviously this contradicts her statement to

officer vaughn there in the car saying he never abused her and in fact um she's the one who is the aggressor here now when they questioned her about the photograph and while she's laughing while he's pretended to strangle her she said that he was tickling her that's why because when people have their hands around your neck it's very ticklish that's what it is it's like do I die or laugh I can't tell which one i should do so sensitive i'm i laugh the most when i can't breathe usually that's works for me anyway i don't know so based on this uh all of this she also requests beth does a special jury instruction on the defense of duress the court said no because they said beth placed herself in a situation where it was probable that she would be subject to duress if you put yourself in a murder plan the other

person might force you to do things in the middle of murder and you kind of put yourself there so they ultra also introduced a tape of houseman's confession which they redacted any mention to beth or markman to the other person right so there again and uh due to an oversight though and whoever did the audio there were two instances of non-redaction where the whole court heard references to beth markman by name and that remained on the court on the tape during the court. That's not good. The confession alleged that Markman conceived the plot to kill Leslie, directed the execution, forced him to cooperate. Houseman said that Beth wanted White dead because she was jealous. He admitted he called White to the trailer that night because he wanted someone to talk to, and he knew he had to lie to get her to come to the trailer.

That's how it works. He said they just talked for a few minutes and then beth came out of the bedroom playing with a hammer according to his confession here he said after playing with the hammer he said that beth hit him with the hammer just enough for me to feel the pain is what he says in court and then uh he says that uh yeah that beth told him to tie her hands once he was finished He says that Beth told him to tie her hands once he was finished. She tied Leslie's hands and feet after the blindfolding and gagging. That's when they went outside to smoke. They were outside.

And Markman said at this point that if you love me, you will do as I tell you here. If you love me, you're going to fucking listen to me here. I know what I'm doing on this one. Bicycle guy. Yeah. So he said when they went back inside, Beth told him to put the speaker wire, pull it around her neck, which he did because he didn't want it because, quote, he didn't want to die that night. So, you know, in the event that Beth, quote, flipped out and wanted to hit me with the hammer. So he said he was afraid of her.

So he confesses to devising the plan to leave the state with the body so they could hide it on the farm uh beth's confession also implicated him in that also uh there's also a statement by the deputy of this whole thing here uh yeah where in response to a question he indicated that bet, at the time of arrest, quote, appeared to be hyperventilating, having trouble catching her breath, while Hausman wasn't having any such trouble. So that's going to come up because he said he was calm, but she was freaking out. That was the basic deal here. But the prosecutor tries to use this to say that, obviously, she's showing more remorse than he is, basically, sort of a thing. Or she's just now realizing the fucking gravity of the situation. And he's a moron.

Right. That's what I get out of it. He's probably a moron who's like, what's happening now? Free house? What now? Y'all are going to give me a free house? I get meals? Shit, that ain't bad.

That's not so bad. Hold on. Now, in the closing argument, the prosecutor says, quote, when you get down to the bottom line, there was an 18 year old girl who was absolutely innocent whose life was taken from her and uh yeah the jury convicts both of them on first degree murder uh and all other charges as well thank god finding one aggravating circumstance killing committing while in the perpetration of a felony yes so uh sentencing comes around and this is where

shit gets real interesting because there's a bunch of shit that comes out here uh yeah basically uh sentencing they get different all these psychological reports and all this type of shit apparently uh the what's his name here houseman was in psychiatric treatment from 89 to 92 when he was a kid. And his counsel never brings that up, which he'll talk about later on. He'll bring it up in an appeal. Failed to present different things of physical and emotional abuse he suffered during childhood. Failed to basically get mental experts who treated Hausman as an adolescent.

Didn't get any of their testimony. Didn't get evidence of cognitive impairments and all this sort of shit, basically. Also, too, the first counsel, all they did was present testimony of a guy named Robin Collins, who was a spiritual advisor at the prison, who testified that he feels a, quote, special affection for Hausman. I bet you do. Oh, boy. Who you've been counseling for five to six months he says that houseman is always prepared for bible study and that he fits in well at bible study classes oh well by all means let's let him out clearly he's no danger yeah

collins indicated he'd be willing to correspond with houseman in prison also so he'll have a friend council all council here also presented the testimony of Hausman's half-sister, Cheryl. This is where it gets crazy. Cheryl testified that she lived with her mother, Geneva, and her siblings, including Hausman and Hausman's father, Howard, until she was in the sixth grade when she told her mother

that Howard had been sexually abusing her. Oh, Jesus. So his father had been abusing his stepsister. Okay. That's the claim, so she left after that. At that point, she and her mother and her siblings moved out of the house, but Hausman, William, remained with his father. They just all left and left him there. Cheryl further testified that Howard, the father, was physically abusive to her older brother,sell and that once she observed howard repeatedly

kick russell in the groin kicked him in the nuts jesus i've never heard of that as a child abuse tactic wow just repeatedly going after the kid's nutsack i've heard of it but i've never like heard of it like that i've i've heard of like the mom you know what i mean uh injuring a son that way but never a father like granted a mom can probably lay down the boot, but dads seem to be able to. Yeah. Jesus Christ. I've heard of it. Cheryl also said that another of her older brothers, Larry, was, quote, treated like a workhorse.

She described Howard as, quote, cruel and heartless, just a horrible person. And then the council for Hausman presented the testimony of a Dr. Stanley Schneider, who testified that he administered a psychological test to determine Hausman's intelligence level, personality inventory, which I love that. Personality inventory. How many you got? Let's see how much back stock we got on fucked upness. What do you got here? So an interpersonal inventory to determine how he relates to others as well.

He stated he reviewed all of Hausman's school records as well as psychiatric records from a three-week inpatient stay at the Spartanburg Regional Medical Center in South Carolina in 1991 when he was 15. So he did three weeks in a mental institution type place, whatever you want to call it, when he was 15 years old. So there's obviously some issues here. Dr. Schneider also indicated that he spoke with Hausman's mother, Geneva, his father, Howard. Sounds like a great guy. His half-sister, Cheryl, and his half-brother, Russell. Dr. Schneider testified that, quote, his findings indicate and support basically what you heard Cheryl testify to a few minutes ago. There's a number of negative environmental factors, abandonment, loss.

Houseman was witness to family torture and violence. He also stated that when he first met Houseman, Houseman still idolized his dad and didn't want to say anything negative about his father. Really? Yeah. Even while he was sitting in jail for murder and this could help his case, he still didn't want to fucking say anything bad about it. He's even while he was sitting in jail for murder and this could help his case he still didn't want to fucking say anything bad about he's like nope my dad's fine they're like i mean you might want to talk about what happened and it's mitigating file and a child you know you know those things repeated kicks in the groin say that he went nope

dad was great wow he would not fucking crack my stepfather's in prison for 30 years and i can't wait to tell you all about the horrible you know what that he is. That's what I'm saying. And I've never murdered anybody. Yeah, this guy won't tell you shit. Well, this is his father. So when his mom left and it was just him and his dad, he felt like, oh, well, it's just us now. Wow. Eventually, though, after multiple sessions, Houseman finally shared that he was abused and harshly treated by his father, according to the doctor.

We knew that. All we needed you to do was verify. To say it. Yeah, everyone around said the same thing. Dr. Schneider also noted that Hausman's mother, Geneva, described Hausman's father as, quote, crazy, which they're exes, so who knows? But he sounds crazy. I say that about my ex-wife, too.

Yeah, who doesn't? It's not that crazy. It's not that kind. It's not repeated kicks to the groin crazy. No, that's sadistic. That's not crazy. He talks about his behavior in school and academic performance saying that he did not fare well in school c's d's and e's there's no ease no he must mean f's that's enough that's

probably an f uh yeah he's i don't know what the fuck that is um it is fascinating that we just cut that letter out of yeah grades as like we're teaching children abc's and we go abcd fucking f well f means failure what does e mean you know excellent we don't want them to confuse we don't want them to think that what does it mean f is never positive we know that the f word's a bad thing. That's a bad one. It's failure and fucker and all that shit. And flunked, which isn't even a word. Flunked and felcher. I don't know. They know about that yet?

Nope. All right. They're going to flick you out of school, boy. So he said, also, though, there's no evidence of any expulsions or detentions or suspensions. There's no report of having acted out in an aggressive way he wasn't reported to be fighting with other kids and things like that he had learning problems definitely there no significant work history every job was a menial job he bounced from one to the other after a couple months never could quite get his feet in

and get a good a good grip uh they said that his intelligence is average to below average. He's just kind of a schmuck, this regular schmuck. It's a real bicycle mechanic. Yeah, it's what it is, a Walmart bicycle mechanic. He found his calling. He said, I can't find any reason in terms of his intellectual ability that he couldn't succeed in school except for his attention deficit disorder and his inability to form positive relationships with others. Finally, he gets up there in the penalty phase.

William does. And he asked the jury to, quote, allow him to just live in prison so he can correspond more with Mr. Collins, who was the spiritual advisor. Oh, my God. Just let me just let me be in prison. I'll just talk to my friend. Just don't kill me. Yeah. When asked by his counsel what his position was in respect to the whole thing, he says that he thinks that he's gotten a fair trial and all that sort of thing here.

So the entire presentation of mitigating evidence is like 36 pages of transcript, by the way. I could have gone for two fucking hours on his childhood. It was one. I had it all. presentation of mitigating evidence is like 36 pages of transcript by the way it's a i could have gone for two fucking hours on his childhood it was i had it all it was wild yeah those are the highlights and uh finally they're ready for sentencing and uh the judge says uh you sir and ma'am yeah may fuck off death penalty for both of you wow double death penalty dueling death penalties got got them both that's wild yeah um wow uh that's crazy he afterwards he said quote this is houseman my opinion is i think the verdict that the ladies and gentlemen here gave was fair and just due to the heinous act that was done he was trying to be be a nice guy and show something

but that's bad for your appeal process isn't it well we'll find out about that here uh the jury uh you know agreed with the that has basically the aggravating factor was there for the death penalty because the jury called it and then the judge called it and uh they announced that this was after five hours of deliberation so it didn't take them that long to kill two people they were like fuck it uh after the jurors were polled the defendants looked back at their all the people they had houseman bowed his head and markman was crying and red face and all that sort of shit so george white leslie's father he said afterwards that he forgave them both. He said, quote, We pray that they accept Christ in their hearts so they don't go to hell.

It's been a that's what he said. That was it. And then his wife said, Shawnee is the mom. She said it's been a very traumatic year. And that was that. So Hausman, his whole thing later on with some briefs and shit is he's going to argue the cause of death. That's one thing he's going to argue, which is crazy. Yeah, it's really weird.

He contends his trial counsel is ineffective for failing to present evidence to establish that Beth's act of placing the gag in the victim's mouth rather than his act of wrapping the speaker wire around her neck was the actual cause of the death. And his act of wrapping the speaker wire around her neck was the actual cause of the death. So they're going to play fucking drag race with what did it first, my strangling or her asphyxiation. Imagine the balls. That's some. I mean, that's some hairs to split. Talk about splitting hair. Oh, boy.

Holy shit. You're trying to split a split hair. That is a chicken egg argument. Who gives a shit? Yeah. That's why both of you got that sentence because fuck both of you um yeah that's a good point sir we're not arguing doesn't matter yeah you were there she's dead you both did those six of one half dozen of the other chief you know what i'm saying we're not even gonna parse which one you did it it doesn't matter you're both you're. I've never seen a more equal murder than this. This is such an equal murder.

It's just so equal. They're both exactly the same amount responsible. I feel like they belong together and apart. Yeah. These fucking people. So, yeah, he also is going to say that his lawyer didn't object to things that he should have and that the prosecution elicited and failed to correct a misleading testimony regarding the specific cause of death. That's the whole thing, saying that the medical examiner, Dr. Susan Venuti, testified that during the autopsy,

she removed she removed the speaker wire that was tied around the wrists and ankles and the gag cloth that was tied around her face and folded a piece of cloth and the folded piece of cloth that had been stuffed into her mouth. She also said she noted observed a small area of pink discoloration on the on Leslie's neck, which could either be due to some pressure on the neck or it could be a pressure mark or simply some discoloration due to the decompositional changes. simply some discoloration due to the decompositional changes. She sat out there. She also testified it was her belief that Leslie White died from deprivation of oxygen due to airway obstruction, and the term we

use is asphyxia due to suffocation by smothering. So he's saying, hey, that's not me. I mean, you know. That's not the part I did. I didn't do that part. I mean, I was trying to strangle her, but I mean, you know. I mean, that was the goal I was trying to get at. She just happened to be better at it than me. She was apparently much more effective. I mean, I was trying to strangle her, but I mean, you know. I mean, that was the goal I was trying to get at. She just happened to be better at it than me.

She was apparently much more effective. She said when asked what the effect of getting the hands under the ligature wire may have been placed around her neck would have had on the process, she stated that, you know, that wouldn't have had anything. Basically, would tying her up have any change in her life? Which it wouldn't, other than the fact that she couldn't take it out of her mouth. That was all there. Now now so they're both gone um february 2007 the uh beth is appealing trying to get a new trial as obviously they both have a ton of appeals and uh what ends up happening in a four to one decision no they overturn her conviction what the fuck on murder kidnapping unlawful restraint all that sort of thing here they

order a new trial for her there uh the court said that they agree with beth's claim that the cumberland county trial court should not have allowed the jury to hear the edited audio tape confession by houseman which implicated her in the murder because they didn't redact it well enough that's basically the crux of this shit is they heard her name in the in fact they're sitting next to each other though what. What fucking difference is it? The other person? That's the essential. It's like saying, yes, you know what we mean.

Exactly. Yeah. But that that would be legally. It's again, it's such hair splitting legally in terms of what they can say. The redactions and not redactions. If she wasn't also under, you know, if she wasn't also being tried by that jury or in front of that jury, then it would have been fine for those names to come out. Wild. So it's it's insane.

So she didn't testify during this trial here denying or he didn't testify here denying him the opportunity to confront her in court, basically, because he didn't testify at the last one. They're saying he didn't testify, but they had him on tape saying it was me. So that's bullshit. If he wants to testify, he can testify. It's unfair. And she ends up, like I said, they toss it all. Her attorney said,

I'm pleased with the fact that the conviction has gone away and she's going to be taken off death row. Now, in the dissenting opinion, the four to one, this was Justice Michael Eakin. He wrote that the admission of the confession was harmless in light of the overwhelming leap overwhelming properly admitted evidence

establishing appellant's guilt yeah it's like that was so it's not like they were like i was on the fence until i heard that name said we got it we understood it's like having a rape trial and you're like there's semen and blood and all you they got a tape saying he did it that's yeah that's what you want toss that's what you were fine great great toss's semen and blood, and they got a tape saying he did it? Yeah. That's what you want tossed? That's what you want. Fine. Great. Great.

We'll toss it. Semen and blood. Get back in your room. There you go, asshole. So 2007, she awaits a new trial. Yeah. The state Supreme Court orders a new trial based on this argument. July 2009, she tries to get the murder charge tossed completely.

She's trying to get the murder charge tossed, Beth is. July 2009, Cumberland County Judge Edward Guido. Eddie Guido, how you doing? Of course it is. He refuses to dismiss the murder charge there and in the state superior court denied a request to review that appeal. So they end up that there's going to be a new case

coming up. December 2009 is Houseman's appeal. And he's saying his thing is kidnapping was bullshit. That's what he's saying. This kidnapping thing is what are we talking about here? Jesus Christ. He said there's no evidence that Leslie was confined for a substantial period in a place of isolation. You tied her up.

She's tied up. She's not allowed to leave. Yeah, she was. She didn't ask to be tied her up she's tied up she's not allowed to leave yeah she wasn't she didn't ask to be tied up that's different um in the appeal uh they said that uh they found in in beth's appeal the determination of a substantial period subsumes not only the exact duration of confinement but also also whether the restraint by its nature was criminally significant and that increased risk of harm to the victim. Duh. They said that basically it was undisputed that Leslie was not immediately killed after

being tied up and was left alone in the trailer while they went outside to smoke cigarettes and discuss the plan. Had White not been confined, she might have tried to escape or cry for help. Possible. I would say probably as a matter probable as a matter of fact so um they said also the confinement period was also sufficient to cause increased risk of harm due to the oxygen blockage from the rag in her throat so all of this is absolutely right here they say that uh she was confined in a place of isolation for a substantial period

they said that he bound her hands and all this sort of thing the evidence was sufficient to support the kidnapping conviction he also asserts that there was uh insufficient evidence of conspiracy to commit kidnapping because he didn't plan to kidnap the victim what the fuck so they said yeah no you're good you kidnapped her you made a phone call you're a real home you waited on her you're a super big asshole that's what we're getting at here so uh they they do all this after he's killed uh after white was killed both explained how they concealed the body and left pennsylvania you were a willing and active participant now they go to also hear mitigation presented at another hearing that he had because he had a hearing saying to see if his

lawyer didn't present mitigation as well as they should have that we talked about we got 36 pages man dude yeah well they have more here uh they do more trying to get mitigation testimony of kathleen cabe who's an investigator and mitigation specialist with the federal public defender's office she said she met with houseman, reviewed all of his shit. Basically, she explained that when he was born, Hausman lived with his mother, Geneva, his father, Howard, three half-siblings. Howard's father, mother described him as a drunk,

and then as a crazy person. Howard described Geneva as, quote, a drunk who was always with different men. The mother. Cabe explained that Geneva was afraid of Howard because in addition to being physically abusive to the children, he also abused her. When William was four years old, his half sister, Cheryl, this is the sexual abuse part. They bring all of that up, leaving him behind. Approximately one year later, though, we didn't get into this part after all of his

siblings left and he was left with his father and without his mother one year later his mother geneva kidnapped him from the father and sent him and cheryl to virginia to live with their aunt and uncle geneva's sister and brother-in-law holy shit after the uncle that they sent them to of course began to sexually abuse cheryl god damn it fuck cheryl begged her mother to send her to and houseman to their grandfather's house which she finally did um cheryl and william lived with their grandfather for less than a year they were happy and then he had a stroke and died oh no so cheryl and houseman then moved back into a home with geneva and her boyfriend at the time where houseman stayed till he was almost 10 at which point he then was shipped back to howard his father and howard's new wife doris and then uh

basically his father when houseman showed up at his father's home his father said that he was filthy lacked basic hygiene skills and manners and his clothes were ragged like he looked like he'd been out in a in a field one day when houseman was 11 years old he came to find doris in the bathtub after she attempted to commit suicide he found her there uh doris attempted suicide a second time when he was 14 years old as well and he knew about that he remained with his father and stepmother until he was 16 and then returned to live with his mother and her and a different boyfriend for another year at age 17 he returned home again to his father and stepmother holy shit the fact that he had a job at walmart and they trusted him to assemble bicycles he may as well

have been ceo at that point yeah that's a shocker unbelievable that he's harrowing far in life harrowing wow kabe also testified that hasman reported that he had been sexually abused by his stepmother doris's cousin's son and doris confirms this as well to the doctor kabe noted that hasman also told her he had been physically abused by both his father and doris and doris described that abuse in an affidavit which states this yeah sometimes i had to beat bill because of his behavior i remember one time i was so angry at bill that i took out a metal yardstick and beat him until the stick was bent double my christ i didn't like to do it but you have to discipline children or they won't listen and learn with iron they'll

also not kill people if you don't do that that's the other they might not they're less likely to kill people if you don't do this a little more apt to if you beat them with metal he said she said this is a woman by the way this is doris that's how i learned my daddy would beat me with hickory sticks until my legs were raw when i did something wrong and you know i'm fine i just lay in bathtubs and open veins try to open veins and beat children what the fuck that's fine i'm i'm managing so he can handle it it's fucking what the shit man she then says when bill got to greenville tech he started skipping school all the time i would drop him off but he wouldn't even go to class when his daddy found out about him not going to school, he got crazy angry.

Howard told me to leave for a bit. And when I returned, Bill had the imprint of a six-pack cooler where his daddy had whooped him upside the head as punishment. The imprint of the cooler. Of the cooler. He beat him with a cooler. Wow. Bill was dazed and sick from the beating, but then he still didn't go back to school. No, Mama.

That's called a concussion. That's a concussion. Jesus Christ. That's what that is. He was throwing up. The kid was... Wow. Yeah.

He was literally beaten senseless. Yeah. Beaten in a fucking silliness. Unbelievable. So, and that was Doris in 2013. She said that. She also indicated that when he was in his late teens, he moved to Virginia to stay with his older brother, Lee, who reportedly, quote, regularly beat him. And on one occasion, quote, beat the living shit out of him.

Yeah. That's why he came back. His dad does it, too. That's. Yeah. This is interesting. Cheryl also testified here again. The sister in greater detail.

here again the sister in greater detail she testifies that houseman's father howard who was referred to by the nickname crazy because of the crazy and mean and awful things he did to her siblings solid nickname yeah i guess it's perfect nickname crazy i really love crazy's home i mean it's apt as fuck i had a friend in school named jesse gardens and some eighth grade genius figured out that garden spelled backwards spells sorry yeah we've talked about the snot rag nobody ever called him jesse ever again hey snot rag you're fucked i had a friend named shit bag so it's not it's just because he brought a big paper bag with his lunch in it and when everybody was done with their garbage they'd all put it in his bag and he'd throw it out because it was big enough so he was shit he was shit bags that happened in like the seventh grade for no bad reason i ran into him when i was 25 i went back home everyone

still calls him shit bags everyone they not even shit bag shits is his name what's up shits everyone's like yo shits what's up dude everyone calls him shits and shit bag but shits is his name what's up shits and he's just like what's up dude like that's his name he doesn't even doesn't even fight it doesn't even fight it jesse's in his 40s today i hope everybody calls him snot rag i know everyone still calls him shits his kids probably call him shits we'll put it down unbelievable so uh yeah she testified about crazy because of the things he'd do to his siblings and that he had fallen off a building and had a steel plate in his head as well. She described that Howard

made her put half moon ice tray. Oh my God. What? Oh my God. I missed this in the pre my research and it's fucking horrible. Buckle up or skip ahead 15 seconds. Howard made her put half moon ice trays in

her vagina until she bled and then laughed when she cried because of the pain and poured buckets of water over her head what that is the most one of the most disturbing things i've ever heard he did that to his wife to his stepdaughter oh sweet christ not to his wife what the fuck to his stepdaughter a child not to his wife oh which is not like it's yeah fine if he does it to his wife but this is a child you know those half moon ice trays yeah yeah holy shit man it's disgusting um he also she also stated that in the winter howard would lock her outside while she was undressed and make her run around the outside of the trailer and then would hang her upside down with her head in the toilet that man's a monster he's a fucking

psychopath monster i hope he died a horribly horribly painful death wow what a fucking awful person he had a heart attack and couldn't get to the phone and it was a small one oh yeah and he just suffered on the floor yeah And it just erupted five days later. What a piece of shit. What a garbage human being. She explained that if she didn't eat dinner, she'd have to go stand in the corner on one foot until it was time to go to bed.

That's how that was. And according to Cheryl, the children were not allowed to eat food from the refrigerator, and Howard counted the slices of lunch meat every day. If one was missing all the children were punished i hate him he's i absolutely hate him epitome of an abusive psychopath who's got a little weird fiefdom with his children he's gonna fucking torture them why have children shit why to do this shit to them but why would you you don't want them you

don't like them think about this what happened to how Here, think about this. What happened to Howard? Oh, boy. Oh, boy. Whoa. It has to be super. Not as an excuse or anything, but I'm just out of curiosity. What the fuck put that and this in his head? That doesn't make him not deserve jail.

No, fuck that. Whoever he was around. Yeah, what happened to his dad? Whoa. I'm sure he has scars and burns from it. It has to be. Whatever it was. Cheryl recounted the same instance that she described at the penalty hearing where howard repeatedly kicked her brother in the groin

as he lay on the floor uh she stated initially she didn't report the abuse to her mother because howard threatened to kill her mother so she's like what the hell is she going to do about it and i believe him uh yeah she also described an incident where howard shoved her mother so hard that her mother broke her ankle and had to go to the hospital. The state Supreme Court upholds the death penalty against him anyway. And all of that, they affirm the verdict and the penalty and tell him to keep on fucking off. Yeah. So October 2010, U.S. Supreme Court denies a petition to hear an appeal of his sentence as well. October 2010, though, beth here she is i believe this is when she's still waiting for her retrial she decides to plea instead oh she's gonna plea

save her own take the death penalty off the table and she'll plea she uh does she apologizes to leslie's parents as they look on she said quote i'm so sorry i just hope that by me doing this today it starts to give them some small sense of closure and uh yeah judge guido gives her you ma'am may fuck off and uh life without parole so just no death penalty so uh yeah they the shawnee the mother got leslie's mother got to make statements in court saying that the last 10 years have been literally hell. The last four years of appeals, we haven't taken a vacation in 10 years because there's always a new court date to attend. And she said, I want her to know what Leslie went through and what my family went through. And the father, George, he said that he was frustrated that the death penalty was off the table.

He said, I don't feel that this is justice. If it was your daughter or son that was strangled in that when the way my daughter was and the judge interrupted him and said, I have daughters. I can't pretend to know your loss. And yeah, so mandatory life without parole. Now, she says the judge says that it's his job to abide by the law, and life sentence is the law. And he says, quote, Beth Markman is going to jail, going to a jail that has air conditioning, that has heat. She'll have clean sheets every night and food on the table.

She has no care in the world. This is what the father said. I don't feel that's justice at all. The first ruling of the death penalty was just. Not that she would die anytime soon, but just so she doesn't know what day she's going to die. Yeah, and waking up every day knowing that one day they are going to kill you. That's what they want. Yeah.

So out of court, though, they're really pissed. The mother says, quote, while she's sitting there watching cable TV in her jail cell, I want Beth Markman to know that every time she sees a McDonald's commercial, she'll never go through a drive-thru again is that a threat or a or a fucking is that a congratulations that's what i mean that sounds like a but yeah i get what you're saying sometimes you want a cheeseburger sometimes every time she sees an ocean scene i want her to know that she'll never smell the ocean or feel the sand again and if her daughter ever gives her a grandchild i want her to know that she'll never rock them to sleep because beth has a grandchild by the way has a daughter by the way uh yeah she had a kid from a previous marriage

wow yeah she's 34 and a fuck up you don't think she spit one out come on now she's definitely gonna have some kids so uh yeah the the whole thing uh they said basically that they couldn't the office had limited resources and they couldn't fight to keep getting the death penalty. The mother was pissed. She said Leslie's case was no longer a priority. She just gets a plea deal. They gave Markman a plea deal because the county didn't have funding to fight all these cases and had to prioritize the cases. So, yeah, that's that's how that goes. She says that, you know, she's just upset.

And the parents are very upset by the whole thing, which is understandable here. She says that she does support the death penalty because my 18 year old daughter is the reason taken from us too soon. And this is one of those cases. There is no doubt what happened. This isn't like one witness saw a guy walking through a parking lot and that's the thing that convicted him.

And then he's going to the death row. This is two people tortured a girl did horrible shit admitted it definitely fucking did it took 1000 took pictures it talked both talked about it separately there's no doubts in the world what happened here evidence fingerprints dna under the thing i mean you don't get any more this is fucking more open and shut than anything so january 11 2011 governor ed rendell uh signs the execution warrants for six people including william houseman who's then 35 uh there but there's a he has a hearing after the date that he's supposed to be executed so it lapses the execution anyway and makes that one null and void oh no he's got to get another date and another date that's how it works here uh now

march of 2020 now yeah fucking three months ago a justice justice todd concluded the an opinion saying that houseman must receive a retrial on the death penalty because his defense attorney in 2001 was ineffective for not fully exploring factors that may have swayed the jury's verdict on whether to impose capital punishment all that crazy shit i told you that didn't come out originally so they're saying the the he needs a re-sentencing basically like to come bring it out in appeals is one thing but to have a sentencing hearing again that's we present all of the shit and mitigation that's fucked up yeah so that's that's what they're going to do basically

but we've uh fucking executed so many people without all this shit oh all the time who didn't who matter of fact were exonerated after the fact do you this is fucking crazy this is wild certainly did it and certainly deserves what he was sentenced for. In this way, yeah. No, it's so bad how many people are, we'll get into that another time. My point. That could go forever. Yeah.

So the judge accepted the argument that the lawyer should have presented additional evidence regarding his inpatient hospital treatment for mental health issues, physical abuse by his father, stepmother, and others. All of this stuff here so uh yes he must retreat receive a partial retrial to decide whether he should be executed or what the fuck happened here and uh basically he is uh awaiting resentencing as we speak of the resentencing trial it's going on sometime i'm sure this year i would assume it's fucking crazy that that all went down and that all happened and yeah it's i mean what the fuck man yeah it's crazy both catch covet i hate them you know what i mean i can't stand them both they both suck they're both awful people yes and yeah they should have had that evidence there and uh but

fuck man it's he's what about the dad? Where the fuck is he? I don't know. But I God, I hope he's dead. I swear. I just hope he's dead. He's breathing and just smiling every day. Imagine if that guy's alive.

So he could be alive still because this guy's not that old. It's I mean, the guy, his dad's probably 70. Maybe he's not like he's a whatever. It's not like he's be 105 or anything. I mean, Christ almighty. And the parents of leslie i hope they got a fucking vacation man they deserve it seems rough man i wish i had a shitload of money i'd make it happen i read a lot of interviews with shawny with the mom and uh yeah

she's just um feel bad for this woman man she she lives with this you can tell that she lives with this every day you can totally tell whenever there's a new trial or a new hearing or something and they interview her you can tell it's just as raw still real and it's not happened i don't know how it wouldn't be and she's just uh you can tell she's has a hard time she struggles with it and i feel terrible for her because obviously and the father too yeah the mother's been more vocal in in publications and things like that's his daughter and he's gonna feel like he let her down there's so much father uh anguish that goes obviously mother too but i mean like as a dad of a little girl you feel like you fucking let her down and that's shitty all because of this fucking and there are people

that have been executed for such less things people by the way we've had especially lately we've been asked why don't you guys do small town murder cases ever with like uh with first of all they say there's not a lot of black people in these cases that i'll tell you right now listen to the amount of percentage of black people in these small towns there's just less right and the problem is a lot of the cases that i find and especially the ones ones, sorry, South, but it's fucking true. I'm talking about doing research of literally hundreds of cases. There are so many cases that I see in the South. Smidge questionable?

Not even a smidge. Ridiculously questionable. Like, basically, you know, literally somebody robbed a store and shot the clerk. And some one eyewitness said from across the parking lot they saw that black guy going into the store when they were leaving so they're convicted over it wow literally and it's like you know an eyewitness stranger on stranger eyewitness id from 30 feet away and someone's getting a death penalty for that with no other evidence like shit like that is like i i don't know what to do with that yeah i honestly don't like hard to rail on that guy no i can't that's what i mean i'm not gonna make fun

of him and if we start down that road that's a whole other show of shitty i mean that that's and it's that's not funny that's fucking just infuriating yeah we can do one of those where there's zero laughs yeah that's gonna be great just yell yeah we just yell a lot so and then another thing is what we were talking about before that would help, I think, would help get rid of that is most departments, when they have a big board, like the homicide book, they have a big board with red and black ink. Black are cleared cases. Red are open homicides. Get your ass to work on these. Yeah.

Homicide department, basically. The second they make an arrest, it doesn't even have to be indicted by a grand jury. The second they make an arrest, that goes from a red name to a black name. That's a cleared case. Yeah. So they have a lot of incentive to arrest people and let the prosecutor sort it out later. Right. We think there's enough.

Whatever. Fuck it. They'll charge them if they want. Make it black. That's ridiculous. We can't have that sort of shit. I think that would help that sort of thing being a lot just getting it off the board but that everybody is newville pennsylvania and what a wild roller coaster of a shit show that was gross holy fuck man that was

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And we're going to talk about Clueless this week. And Sarah will make fun of me for my teenage crush on alicia silverstone it's hilarious so that'll be a lot of fun i started that the other night and uh fell in love with paul rudd all over again oh god that's fucking funny is awesome what about the the oh god what's her name um her friend fucking oh yeah stacy stacy yeah stacy i don't know her last name oh my god i know her name she's's in everything. She does not age. No. She plays...

We'll talk about it when I do Clueless, but never mind. Her and Paul Rudd both. They look amazing. It's wild. So listen to that. Stacey Dash. Thank you. Stacey Dash.

Jesus Christ. How did I do that? I'm like Dash. You leaned on me for that? It works. Sometimes it works, brother. So check that out. Also, check us out on social media.

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But on small town murders this week coming out is really awesome. I found small town newspapers from the 1890s. So first of all, the shit that's going on there is hilarious. Events. The crimes are hilarious. Their descriptions of everything are unbelievable, sexist, racist, crazy, fucking amazing. You have to hear it. They're wild shit. So listen to that.

That's at the $5 or above level this week. It's a small town North Dakota newspaper in 1895. And then another couple I got from that area. So check that out. That's at the $5 or above level. You can do that, everybody can, at patreon.com slash crimeandsports. And we appreciate everything. Jimmy, you'll mess your name up.

Or if you just want to make a one-time donation just for karma, you don't want anything out of it, but to just get a shout-out and some good feeling in your heart and our best feelings from our heart. You can do that over at PayPal using our email address, crimeinsports at gmail.com, which you can also use to get a hold of us if you feel like doing it that way. Now that that's all said, you know what? It's been a crazy day. I need something, Jimmy. I need to feel good. I need to feel warm inside.

day. I need something, Jimmy. I need to feel good. I need to feel warm inside. Give me the list of my favorite people in the world who would never repeatedly kick me in the groin. Hit me with them, Jimmy. This week's executive producers are Crystal Skules, Jane Blackbird, Brock with no last name, Dylan Height, Stephan Carlson,

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Well, shit. Hang in there. It's going to get better. Yeah, sorry to hear that. Chris Stanton, L-Oanton lo fc and i'm not sure what that stands for christina de mello meet me low something football club hello maybe they're into soccer i don't know tom fairly uh kip susley updated hers thank you so much kip thank you uh under the sea fabricrics, Serena D., Michael Kumecki, Jeremy Ebert, Joanne Ahern, Drew Shockley, Isaac Smith, Jordan Bennett, Cedar House Yarns, Rene Malaco, Brenda Wilson, Sarah Rodriguez, Harrison Dunham, Stacy Dingley, Monica Lemmings, Fran Hitsky in Australia. Thank you, Fran. Thank you.

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We truly can't do it without you. No, not at all. Other producers this week are Sandra Watkins, Daniel Pittard, Anna Kowalewski, Noah Farbs, Nia, Elijah Gillespie, Brian with no last name, Lindsey Berman, Jake Oldham, Josh Tunks, Bo Allison, Southern Fried Notions, Brandon Saunders, Debbie Murray, Rebecca Bebo, Vaughn Briner, Samantha Bird, Brandon Keebler, Cody Hoehart, Hughart, Jess Lara, Jackie Visnaver, Wesley Bryant, Flavio with no last name, James Burns, Amanda, no, Adam, Spinks, Samantha went the distance on Adam. Samantha Bird. Happy birthday.

Leslie Chaplin. Adrian Gill. Ahmad Muhammad. Brian Skinner. Joe Trena. Sonia Hupfeld-Cosano. No. Sarah with no last name.

Jessica Voli. Or Voi? Voi. No, probably not. Aaron Utley. Rebecca Prounds. Robin Sherrill. Lisa Abel. voey that's no probably not aaron utley a rebecca rebecca prounds robin cheryl uh lisa abel abel joel with no last name alex hartman solomon world samantha tooley eric ginsel a hannah a mikosh uh william littlefield jessica dowd carol chan luis flores britney and John Fellman, Sean War, Kimberly McCarthy, Shelly Ewenchuk, Joey

Scarlett, Mike Richman, David Whitman, Larissa Pavlov, Robert Lockwood, Michelle Chapman, Erica Foltz, Rose Perry, Jeff DeLuca. Damn it. Scott Schaefer. Ryan Smalley. Autumn Meyer. Tristan Gray. Paige Spencer. Kaya DeSteel. Dylan Leahy.

Alexandria Marie. Roxick. No, Rexach. Werner. Jessica with no last name. Keith Cerny. Ben McDonough. Maggie with no last name. Katya with no last name.

Zane Bohe. Zach. Oh, Zach Schaub's girlfriend, Shai, is having a tough one. So hang in there, Shai. It's going to get better. Thanks for hanging with us. Thank you very much. Parker, Stephen Ahern, MB, that's just initials, Erica Tero, Azanith, no, Richard Desmond, Amy Del Plato, DePlato, Sarah Mahan, Jamie Magiera, Courtney Brand, Danelle Desert Lojas, Dessert Lojas. Joe Bellatham, Bellagam, Bellagam, no.

Carmen McClellan, Lisa MMX, Susanna Piero, Alex Steep, step. Nadine, no, Nadine Requajo, no. Chris Vann, Weston Blake, Karen Lelm, Caleb Pratt, Hey P. Roy. Richard, no last name. Aaron Smuck. Connor Wotrus. Evo Jusonis. Jusonis?

I don't know what that is. Tavia with no last name. Phil Roos. I think. It's double O's, double S's. That's impossible. Megan Tuharski. Tuharski.

Leon with no last name. Debbie Peterson. R.P. Sarah Lucchese. Andrea Burbank. Liz Brunner. Judy Brady. Kimberly Murphy. Murphy. Maddie P. Emma Stanley. Damn it. Chelsea Peoples.

I'm trying. I'm doing my best. This is all I got. Travis Paul Johnson. Andrea Grell. Rosie Erkovich. Yeh-Sha Alexis, Tom Horning, Garrett Jones, Gareth Jones, Marla Perez, Joni Jonovsky, Rebecca Clubb, Small Town Cunt.

That's pretty easy. Hey, all right. That's easy. Breck Bennett, Craig Holt, Melissa Meiden, Clay with no last name,lor kibling jess with no last name anthony carlson patrick jacobson zach with no last name ben snit or sate or shit i don't know what i did i'm sorry ben alissa callen oh yeah yeah alissa callen uh kelly myler or meeler tabitha lily kendra with no last name andrew with no last name, Craig Dunford, Jonah Siegel, Tyler Bear or Barry, Kaslin Johnson, Kaslin Johnson, Addison Tucker, Megan with no last

name, Marissa Salta, Reagan Rachel Robbins, Jason with no last name, Jerry Stone, April Daniels, David Divjak, Shane McCain, Morgan Wood, Jacob Fuller, Leah Egan. Thank you, Leah. Thank you. The Egan sisters are around. Thank you. Patrick McNally, Jenna Pierce, Benny with no last name, Pat with no last name, Alexa Speed, Ryle Kittle.

I think it's Kyle Riddle, and he switched some letters on purpose. Jen Inglis, Trenton Urbane, Tiffany Engel, Matt Toth, Amanda Caulfield, Jen Bernardi, Jamie would know last name, Richard Hahn, Eric Sinan, Amanda Hickling, Justine Power, Kedzie Arrington, Colleen McNulty, Anna Taylor, Taylor would know last name. No, Taylor L. That's what it is. Jarena Dickey, Chris Wolkowski, I think. Alexandria would know last name. Stephen, Stephanie.

Sorry, shit. Swanick. Swanick. Ryan Brewer. Don Arnue. Jason Allen. Ryan Rodriguez. Drew Statham.

Lisa Hilliard. Savannah Davis. Kara Blockquist. No, Bjorkquist. Hey. Conley. Dalton Sargent. Dyke Memes.

Again. That's pretty impressive. Taylor Morris yeah, Morris, Heather Morrison John Allen, Adam Reeves Adam Apple, Michelle Neal Lonnie Quirion Isabel

with no last name, Brad Kiesling Josh Foltz, Jess with no last name, Maddie Rose, Eric Scherson Emily Alween Elizabeth Milbert, C. Lynn Cieslik, Barbara Miller, Joanna James, Lauren Sullivan, Matt Clark, Ernesto Romero, Roland Parr, Whitney Eskridge, Jason with no last name, Anne-Marie Wintermeyer, Noel Lopez, Tracy Hicks, Robin Blondie, Blindy, Sulik? No.

David with no last name. Nick Gable. We're closing in on it. Ned McDermott, Joshua Schaefer, Kyle Alexander, Leon Fennessy, Vanessa with no last name, Ray Sanders, Stephanie Loftus, Savannah Lucera, Mara Spenziari, Mary Faust, Nicholas Walters, Farah Khan, Lindsay Martin, Alexi Gonzalez, Jason Edwards, Lauren Prince, Luke Beasley, 10FB, Jason Covert, Kyle Ondurko, Barbie Jo, Marissa Sillick, Anthony Sims, Cody Holgate, Devin Heidbrecht, Rohan Bohas, no, Rohan Bahaj, sorry, Rohan, Lindsey Aronson,

David Daniels, Teresa Arnold Pritchard, Ashley Tegler, Audrey Helu, Jace Childers, by the way, Jace Childers is the guy that I talked about in the bonus episode that I did, and he donated to the show. Thank you so much, Jace. That, by the way, Jace Childers is the guy that I talked about in the bonus episode that I did. And he donated to the show. That's right.

Yeah, that was awesome. Thank you so much, Jace. That's amazing. Definitely. Annie Martin, Jonathan Carcamo, Mike Vaccaro, Jessica Norton, Jaina Dickens, Nell Mancilla, Rebecca Rose, Katachino, Brittany Cole, Mary Wenner, Markita, Beth Rooney, Linda McNamara, Zoe Bonfante, Chris Love, Matt McLean, Ash Levati, Samantha Diffendaffer, Kimberly Murphy, Paul Vamos, Tamara Trump, and Marie Alba, Sarah West, the gentleman lover Andrew. No, that's what it is. It's Kimberly Murphy and her gentleman lover. Oh, and her gentleman lover Andrew. No, that's what it is. It's Kimberly Murphy and her gentleman lover. Oh, and her gentleman lover Andrew.

I'm sorry, Kimberly. Joanne Gillis, Anika, Amy Dawn, Lindsay Newman, Biff Thunderbeef, Isaac Smith, and his little man Nathan. Hang in there, you guys. That's, fuck. Thank you so much. Keep going, fuck. I don't even, thank you so much. Keep going, Nathan. Raise that little guy strong. And Shane Strikeleather, thank you very much.

Christian Nieto, Alex Hammons, Kevin Bartlett, Jess Bozio, Amy Dawn, Julie Stoltz, Aaron Tammy, Stella Pierce, Anel Kurtik, Anel, Anel? I'm terrible at this. It can't be Annel. Did you say Annel Kurtik? No, it's Annel Kurtik.

Oh, God, I swear to God, I don't know where I'm at. I thought you said Annel Kurtik. I was like, wow, how do you do that? Amber Martin, Louise Rayfield. Tough to tie the knot. John Williams. It's a balloon knot. It's a balloon knot.

Marla Happany. Mackenzie Haroon. Janice Hill. Tyson Gubauer. Gubauer. Gibaver. I don't know if that's the U or the E. Adrian Kometz.

Christopher Oliphant. Stephen Hanna. Catherine Judd. Richard Lawrence. Kim Klein is Jackie Sukup's favorite cousin. Thank you very much. Brian Johnson and his wife Liz are celebrating nine years of marriage by donating to us. Hey, thank you.

Congratulations. Alyssa Callen is in South Korea. Nay Hillier. Louis Tudrick. Tidrick. Or Kaz Tidrick. I'm trying my best. Anthony Francis.

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Thanks, Gary. Kelly Parsons. Stacey Ingram. Peyton Meadows. Sarah Minton. Minto. I thinkinton, Minto. I think it's Minto. I don't know what I did.

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And we really appreciate you guys. We said it before. We'll say it again. You've changed our fucking lives. So thank you so much for that. I don't know many podcasters that give their gratitude as much as we do. Fuck, man. And really, I hope everyone appreciates people as much as we do.

I don't think that we give enough and we do our best to give you as much as we can. So really, thank you guys for everything that you do for everything honestly thank you so much there and what if they wanted to thank you how could they do that you can find me at wisman sucks whisman sucks on instagram and uh twitter and ulysses urania is uh married for nine or 14 years on june 9th to uh sylvanna urana and uh he said uh thank you oh those happy i thought this had something to do with the case well congratulations i missed those like i don't remember that name congratulations good for you and happy anniversary where can they find you and tell you um a happy anniversary i am at jimmy p is funny tell me happy birthday if you want i guess yeah that's happening birthday's

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