Small Town Murder - #176 - Sicker Than The Average Strangler in Gaffney, South Carolina

Episode Date: June 18, 2020

This week, in Gaffney, South Carolina, it looks like a typical domestic dispute, ended in an unusual way, when a woman is found, naked, and strangled, in the middle of the street. Her husband seems to be the culprit, and is convicted, but everything becomes unclear when a local newspaper editor receives some strange phone calls, and more women start to disappear. There's a shocker around every corner! Along the way, we find out that a whole town can be obsessed with peaches, that confessions should at least be written down, and that no one is ever safe. Anywhere! Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman New episodes every Thursday! Donate at: patreon.com/crimeinsports or go to paypal.com & use our email: [e-mail] Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder & Crime In Sports! Follow us on... twitter.com/@murdersmall facebook.com/smalltownpod instagram.com/smalltownmurder Also, check out James & Jimmie's other show, Crime In Sports! On iTunes, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts# See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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But generally, in life, when crazy things happen, there's some weirdness around it that tends to be funny. And that doesn't usually include the actual murder. But honestly, the stuff around it is most of the story. That's where the comedy lies. We make fun of small towns, some police force that let a murderer go free for 10 years or lock the wrong person up or something. We're going to make fun of that. We make fun of murderers. What the hell else do we have?

We can't do anything about it. I can go to his house and go to jail and yell at him. I can't do anything. We make fun of them here, but what we don't do when we go out of our way to try not to do is we don't make fun of the victim or the victim's families because we're assholes, but we're not scumbags.

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we've been stuck up there we're gonna go down south this week a little different here we're gonna go down to south carolina gaffney, South Carolina. This isn't like coastal. No. You know, like my dad lives down there now. That's some nice areas. It's like a mile from the ocean. Yeah, he lives like by Myrtle Beach. It's nice and stuff.

It's gorgeous. This isn't that. This is up in... This is sticky. This is deep South Carolina, as you could call it. This is the South Carolina where they don't have palm trees. Exactly. Yeah.

What the hell is that? they don't have palm trees exactly yeah and they're yeah you don't they wouldn't what the hell's that i don't like that tree yeah that's one of them gay california trees i heard about that's one of them i don't like it it's giving me impure thoughts looking at it all pointy they put one on my license plate and on my car's oh jesus no good so this is in north central south carolina it's heading toward a small little panhandle you know inward there it's very close to the north carolina border really so it's it's up there it's in and up basically five hours down to myrtle beach so nowhere near that about an hour to charlotte north carolina that place is decent that's a closest yeah we were there last summer it was nice.

It was hot as shit. Jesus Christ. So hot and sticky. We're from Phoenix, so when we get out, we walk out of a hotel and go, oh, Jesus, what the shit? It's hot.

That means it's really hot. Or worseover, when you get back to the hotel and you shut a car door and it's all silent out there except for that eerie fucking bug noise. Oh, yeah, the crickets and locusts and whatever the shit's going on.

They're horrifying. Yeah. Yeah. Charlotte's got some. You guys got some insects going on down there. Oh, boy. Nice people. I hope that's insects.

And a nice theater. If that's some sort of animal that makes that god awful racket. I assumed it was people out there just squawk, squawk, squawk, waiting. Rubbing a stick on something that's rigid. Looking around. Yeah. That's what I figured it was. Just rednecks sitting in trees guarding their moonshine stills. I don't know. Charlotte's rigid looking around yeah that's what i figured it was his redneck sitting in trees guarding their moonshine stills i don't know twisting that that sound prop that

because that's the noise it is that's what it is yeah it's about an hour and a half to townville south carolina which was our last south carolina episode which was all the way back episode 124 pretty much exactly a year ago june 19th 2019 so we're we're doing an exact year there on south carolina it's in cherokee county area code 864 it's about eight and a half square miles so not too big not too small the motto here and they mean this shit it is the peach capital of south carolina okay and uh or our murders are just peachy that's the other one you'll like our peachy murders they got a lot of them they gotta be pissed at Georgia

taking responsibility for all of them this town doesn't give a shit though because they built this giant water tank that looks like a peach it's fucking bonkers this is the town that Kevin Spacey's character on on uh

on uh frank underwood god damn it fucking uh house of cards house of cards is from gaffney south carolina and talks about the big peach thing and yeah so uh the guy named michael a gaffney is the guy who named after he came He came from Ireland in 1775, came to New York City, and then moved to Charleston, South Carolina, and then decided to move again and found here. Yeah.

He established a tavern and a lodging house, and it became known as Gaffney's Crossroads. And that was that. And he had an interesting description of the place. Oh, boy. He wrote a letter to somebody in his journal and it was, you know, and that ended up being sent to somebody later on

of what he found when he got here and it's this. Let's see. Quote, I expected to see a fine country but was surprised to find it poor, sandy, rocky, and hilly. The people are poor. Their dress is generally a hunting shirt and trousers of coarse cotton yarn. Every farmer or planter is his own shoemaker, tanner, tailor, carpenter, brazier, and, in fact, everything else.

Everything comes by the farmer or his family. It is the business of the wife and daughter to pick cotton and have it brought home, pick it from the seed, spin it, weave it, and make it ready for your back. Jesus. All right. Some of the girls make very handsome cloth. Here they must do everything from cooking to plowing, and after that they have no more life than Indian squaws. They hardly ever sit down to the table with their husbands, but wait on them like menial servants. So, yeah. why is he so mad

what he found is the south yeah he's from the north and was like what the fuck is going on down here jimmy's kidding by the way he's not looking for a fucking a geisha servant at all here not at all no this is uh that's fucking hilarious but that sounded like someone from modern times went back there and they're like, this is crazy. They don't have a store. They make all their own shit. These chicks do everything. Right.

It's ridiculous. How do you leave New York and then go to Charleston, which couldn't be any more different at that time, and then go inland and be like, well, this just got worse. How are you surprised? The only thing I can see is it's like open, maybe. I don't know. But he died here. Gaffney did, in 1854. And in 1872, it became known as Gaffney City.

And then Gaffney became the county seat. So they have all the records, as we know, from all these things here. And it became a part of Cherokee County here. And Gaffney became a big center for the textile industry in South Carolina. A lot of people, even in our story, are working in the textile mills here, all the way up until the 80s when that all kind of fell apart. That's when it fell apart there? Yeah, the 80s kind of did that there. Someone started sending it overseas or something?

I think that's probably when we started buying shit from Walmart and shit like that. Yeah, so they stopped making stuff down there. Fucking Arkansas. Fuck Arkansas, as you can hear. From Walmart. From Walmart and shit like that. Yeah. So they stopped making stuff down there. Fucking Arkansas. So, yeah. Fuck Arkansas. As you can hear a couple weeks ago in Marmaduke, Arkansas. Definitely fuck Arkansas. So the Peachoid, it's called, is a million gallon water tank constructed and painted to look like a giant peach.

Okay. It's just a giant fucking peach water tank. I'll post it on social media as the lord it's ridiculous looking that would take a lot of time but it's like let's do this and then we'll have people will go that town with the giant peach and that's they they're known for something right now that's my besides murder that takes a lot of time like somebody said we should make that oh yeah and then somebody was like you know how much time that'll take yeah right there should have been like yeah you're right. We won't do it.

1981. But we're still talking about it. Otherwise, we have nothing else to talk about here. They got a farmer's market that they're very proud of that I don't care at all about. In 2009, there was a guy named Patrick Tracy Burris. And I'd saved the story except for the fact that we're doing Gaffney now, so we're not going to do it again. But basically, he began a big spree killing in 2009. The first person was a prominent peach farmer from western Cherokee County, and he killed him, and he killed an 83-year-old woman and her 50-year-old daughter.

The two were found bound and shot to death in the old woman's home on July 1st. Then on July 2nd of 2009 2009 he killed 46 year old steven tyler he killed steven tyler smith is no more joe perry escaped out the back door it was a very close call what the fuck he was shot and killed in his appliance store oh no and his teenage daughter abby was critically wounded and died of her injuries days later. What the? Why did he do this? And then people were looking for him.

He was on the at large until July 6th. So days go by. It was a national story. And police responded to an emergency call of a burglary in progress. And they ended up shooting him there. It was him. And they ended up shooting him to death and did the ballistic tests and found out that he was the guy shooting everybody. So, yeah, that was crazy.

This is the town, like I said, where Frank Underwood is from. Also, Sidney Rice, the wide receiver, and Andy McDowell, the woman who's never moved her mouth in 35 years of acting. That's true. She just talks like this. her mouth in 35 years of acting that's true yeah she just she just talks like this just i've seen her be in movies where she is literally her character is born and raised in new york city and she's like hi y'all like yeah no right so this apparently this accent no matter how much training you have no matter how many voice coaches and everything else and even if it's for a major motion pictures,

you cannot lose this accent. And you can't teach lip movement, apparently. No. Hi. How you doing? That is the woman from Groundhog Day. Yeah. Jesus. Didn't move her mouth the whole time there either.

But I understood it there in Philly or wherever. Yeah. It was frozen. Her character's like from the South too there. But I've seen movies where literally she's like, I was born and raised in New York City. And you're like, well, there she is. It's frozen. Her character's, like, from the South, too, there. But I've seen movies where, literally, she's like, I was born and raised in New York City. And you're like, no, you weren't. Fuck, are you bullshitting, lady?

Shit out of here. So I have some... Is this a protection program? Yeah, what the fuck? I have some reviews of this town here. Generally positive, I have to say, but all very similar. It just depends on your opinion of that. Here's a two-star one.

This is the worst one I found on the site here. It says, overall, the city of Gaffney is very affordable, but I would not want my children to attend the public school system. I'm a substitute teacher for a Cherokee County school district, and the students seem behind. Also, there really isn't anything to do for young married couples that do not have children. Also, the local restaurants are terrible.

Okay? The food quality is poor. This goes for the local grocery stores as well. Besides peaches, I think it's just trying to drive you toward peaches. That's why. You try peaches? She has the attitude of a substitute teacher. Yeah.

She hates everything. And your kid. Yeah, and your kid. I know the pork chops ain't great, but we should all have our peach pie. That's what we're trying to push now. And your kid i know the pork chops ain't great but i'll have our peach pie that's what we're trying to push now and your kid's a dummy here's a three-star one i grew up in gaffney so i'm a little prejudiced probably yeah you know what you probably are that's the first fucking that's the first line we should just leave it at that so i'm a little prejudiced they go on though yeah whether i'm prejudiced for good or bad i'm not sure uh gaffney has its charms that's for certain it's a

small southern town with various neighborhoods and a relatively diverse population okay here's one i moved here three years ago and i like how it's a small nice town and there are many stores near you i don't like that the past few days there's been a couple shootings going around uh near me that's what i'd like to see change well yeah shootings in the streets are when did they post that uh that was 10 months ago oh okay around the time 2009 uh here's three stars very small town with little uh entertainment opportunities safety is great during the day but gets much worse at night that's everywhere okay yeah that's what are you when it's dark out you mean when the sun goes down people can't see the crime being committed weird it's strange it's a very bizarre very bizarre it's overall an okay place to raise a family but has lots of small town issues and quotes i don't

know and here's another one uh three stars one. Gaffney is a place of simplicity and overall mundane life. As with all small towns, most people here are either related or known to one another. It's hard for small businesses to take off here

as corporations have sunk their claws in and we don't have a very supportive city council. So, small town, probably... What do you want the city council to do?

That's a... Well, to block chains from being like they do in Vermont. Towns in Vermont and New Hampshire block... They block Walmarts and chain restaurants from coming in. They're not allowed to. No, there's a ton of towns in Vermont where chains are not allowed in there. Really? It's all mom and pop.

There's no McDonald's there. There's no any of that shit. I love that. Yeah, it's fucking pretty cool. Oh, Jesus. It's all local people selling each other shit. It kind of nice it's wonderful yeah it's kind of good but uh fuck walmart it's uh not supported politically by everybody especially people who take large political contributions from giant chain fucking places like also some places like

to people like to keep the prices low and when they like to do that and pay nothing for something that they think is valuable, then they love Walmart. Still want Taco Bell. All of them than you. People in this town, 12,756 at the moment, down 3% since 1990, so not too bad there. Few more females than males, no big deal. Median age is 36.8, which is pretty close to average. Lower married population than normal. It's less than 40%, normally about 50-50.

Otherwise, though, it's kind of single with children. There's about 27% are single with children. Otherwise, not really that different. Just kind of average. Race of this town, though, 56.2% white, which is almost average. Yeah, I know what you mean. That it's not 99%. Right.

Yeah. It's got a little diversity. Feels low. Yeah. 61.5 is the average, so close to that. 37.5% black, normally 12.3, so it's three times the amount there of black people. 0.9% Asian, a lot of Asian amount there of black people. 0.9% Asian. A lot of Asian people there.

And 2.2% Hispanic. So it's pretty black and white. It's a southern town. It makes sense. 63% religious here. They like their fucking God down there, boy. And I'll give you one guess as to the leading religion. Baptist.

46.1% Baptist. Good Lord. Baptists are the Catholics of the South. And then some of the South. Wow. Not a lot of anything else. A couple of Pentecostals, a Methodist here or there. 1.1% Mormon.

Okay. That's interesting for South Carolina. 0.0% Jewish. Okay. And 0.0% Muslim as well uh 0.0 percent muslim as well uh cherokee county here last election 28 percent democrat six or 70 percent republican oh so it's pretty it's pretty uh one-sided on the it's a religious conservative town yeah that's where a lot of baptists and things like that so unemployment rate is about average here one thing that isn't average is median household income that is not great as we'll talk about rest of the country it is 57 652 dollars

right now here it is 30 058 dollars oh boy it's just a little more than half that's not great for that 30 of the people here make under 15 000 a year i don't get it. That's crazy. So it's not an affluent place. Oh, my gosh. 24% of the jobs here are manufacturing jobs, which are tenuous and can pay well and can pay shitty and sometimes are there and sometimes go away. So the economy goes up and down here. Cost of living, though, $100,000 being regular average par. Here it's 71. So not too bad.

But the low thing is housing. Housing is a 31 out of 100. Median home costs $72,900. What must that look like? Do you want to find out? I do. Well, guess what we have? The Gaffney, South Carolina Real Estate Report.

Gaffney, South Carolina, Real Estate Report. Your average two-bedroom rental here, I found, is $702. No. And yeah, I don't want that either. On 15 grand? No. That's brutal, right? Forever dead. You can't afford that. Forever dead.

You are. That's pretty much what you make a month. You're living to pay for your roof or working. That's pretty much what you make a month. You're living to pay for your roof or working. That's brutal. I found a two-bedroom, one-bath, 1,232 square foot. It's not a condo. It's a little individual house with a little yard. Cute little house.

$19,500. For a piece of property that has a roof on it, that's incredible. Why rent with that? That's what I mean. That's less than a used car yeah you can like a three-year-old toyota corolla will cost you more than that that's crazy i found a three-bedroom two-bath 1378 square foot decent nice little like starter family house 65 grand not bad and we're not talking it's not all updated with new backsplash and shit but 65 grand for a house you could live in with, it's not all updated with new backsplash and shit, but $65,000 for a

house you could live in with a family is not bad. I'm just trying to, I'm trying to pay for that in my head with $15,000 a year. That's brutal. Then you want to stretch out. You've done well for yourself. You want to relax a little bit. I found a three bedroom, three bath, 3,396 square feet, but it's nice. It's big.

It's brick. It's like a big, big beautiful on three and a half acres as well of nice yard everybody that makes 15 grand a month a year is egging you every week they'd have to well if they can lob eggs that far from your giant front yard it's 340 grand for this though wow and this is a hell of a nice property for 340 grand and people hate you oh you're like the you must own the textile mill or some shit yeah it's the mill man right he's here now uh things to do is uh jesus christ all sorts of shit revolving around peaches they're just so fucking into peaches man

like it's a peach festival and a peach parade and a peach you know preserve thing and it's all every month there's another peach thing and then eat that much peach no and on their calendar it said like this date pick peaches this date pick peaches like it's like that's all they do there it's weird uh it's not even a good fruit i like peaches it's not i mean i love peaches i like them when i'll eat them but i I'm not going to fucking go search for it. I'm not obsessed with them. No. Like, I don't need everything to be peach.

I may be one thing a year that's got peaches in it. Those damn peach rings are delicious. Oh, yeah. I can see that. Those are tasty as fuck. The dried out ones? Yeah. Oh, and the gummy ones?

That's not a peach. Well, it tastes just like a peach. And I like a peach itself, too. Peach flavoring. I love peaches. You know, gummy peach rings. No. I have peaches in my fridge right now, goddammit. I love peaches you know gummy petering i just know i have peaches in my fridge right now god damn it i love peaches thc and them they're great james that's not peach without now

if you're gonna put thc in a peach flavored candy i like weed gummies that are shaped like a lot of those i'm gonna eat a lot of those right i have some mango ones right now that are okay but the mango there's something about it. That peach would really mask the flavor nicely. It's more of a round, it's a smoother flavor. It's a smoother, creamier flavor, and I feel like that would be better with the weed. Mango's got a little bit of bite to it with a little bit of a tang.

Yeah, that mixed with the weed, which has a little bit of a, you know, the back of your throat, too. It's like a, yeah, it's a little yeah i'm not sure about it but if i can get some peach weed gummies everybody i'd be a happy man you were singing the songs of peaches and then yeah your example of that to me without these peaches without these peaches there would be no peach flavored gummies these peaches begat my gummies therefore since we're in a small baptist town let's begat things jimmy i love steaks that's why i eat hamburgers that's what i'm saying see without that you don't have that but it'd be silly to not like a steak if you like the

hamburger if you like a hamburger you're gonna fucking love a steak i see you're watching it just feels weird you're gonna love it so we have the south carolina peach festival yeah which starts in gaffney quote as a salute to the peach industry oh boy oh yeah it's a salute it's a salute with a kickoff at the city of gaffney town hall featuring a live band on thursday i'm very mad that they don't tell us it must not be of any there's nobody of any note i guess it's a live band could be the high school fucking band we don't know there are peach puns in the titles of their bands for sure there are two and a lot of these and then uh that's on thursday friday we'll have a mud bog at lake welchel so look for that drain the lake and drive your truck

through it who knows it's probably not you don't even need to drain it it's just a mud pit it's just the large corner and in the rainy months there's a little water in there but then once all the skaters breed it just dries right up and then we bog in it then drive your fucking lifted yeah camino through it oh that that's the other thing, too. They're spraying for mosquitoes. There's like a thing on the website, on the town site, that says, we'll be coming through spraying for mosquitoes the next few days. Stay indoors. Yeah, so literally, it's like the 50s.

They have a mosquito poison truck going down the street in this town. They're fogging the streets. That's how many mosquitoes are here. This place sounds fucking terrible. It does. So Friday, though, a lot of people love fucking South Carolina. It's weird. how many mosquitoes are here this place sounds fucking terrible it does so uh friday though a lot of people love fucking south carolina it's weird so uh saturday will be the road race the pageant as it's a southern festival so they have to have a fucking pageant of course i'm sure with

to judge children by their looks that's what they seem to love that shit. They ever get guest judges? Oh, yeah. There's a comedian that would be very interested in that that I know of. Very, very interested. Listen, comedy is going to dry up for some people. Some people. Especially ones who have been messaging teenage girls. Also, downtown events include a barbecue cook-off. It a fucking throwdown jimmy oh boy it is a goddamn ribs i'll bring my south carolina pulled pig picking fucking that's the pig picking is what they call it yeah yeah yeah north carolina my dad lived there he's like we're going to a pig

pick and i said what the fuck is that do we pick out a pig i don't want a pig and then he told me it's no they make a pig and then they get pulled pork and they squirt that it's fucking delicious yeah i'm sure it's worth that fucking it's just a vinegary barbecue sauce yeah yeah the sandwiches are oh i'm sure they're great pulled pork i've been to luau's and shit like that and when the pig's there it's it's a bit on the weird side but uh about five minutes after we ate we heard several people say the n word and we left literally we left we looked around and we're like we just ate with them and my dad was like i know i know he's looking at us going dude it's just he had just moved down there for work so he was like i got transferred from i he was like look i you know basically like i gotta deal with this shit

every day and i'm like well yeah but it'd be worse if okay and then i looked around i'm like yeah there are no black people here what is happening that's why it was fucking weird dude it was a weird thing and there's plenty of black people in south carolina so i was like why are none of them here and why are we i don't like it here i'm going home your dad's hr department only talks to so many people yeah my dad's like i know i know it's not it's not good. He was very not okay with it. So also, arts and crafts, carnivals, a car show, and then New Talent Night will be Thursday. Oh. Which sounds... It does sound creepy.

Very creepy. Very creepy. It's hosted by Chris D'Elia at the Fullerton Auditorium of Limestone College. He's going to do a long set that night for the new talent out there. He's going to do a long set that night for the new talent out there. And then they'll end the festival on Saturday with the Dirt Race at the Cherokee Speedway. That I'll watch. That you'll watch.

That's fun. That's right. Also, they need to reinstate a concert series called Shindig at the Cabin. Oh, no. Last I saw it, it seemed to have stopped in 2009. They were very enthusiastic about it for a couple years. All these concerts of these bands with fucking peach puns in the title and everything. There was an event, I'm sure of it. No more of this shit.

Done. So crime rate in this town, what we're interested in, property crimes almost double. Oh, it's dangerous. So that's weird for a tiny town in the middle of nowhere. is almost double. Oh, it's dangerous. So that's weird for a tiny town in the middle of nowhere. Violent crime, murder, rape, robbery, and assault. The Mount Rushmore of crime is about 50% high as well.

So for some reason, this town is... It's scary. It's got some dangerous shit going on. So that said, let's go back and talk about a murder. Okay. Of a very... This is insanity, this whole murder. We got to go back in time a little bit here we're going to

get into the time machine and go back to the 60s let's go back to 1967 jimmy the summer of love yeah let's go back to by the way that is nowhere near here you couldn't get any more opposite geographically or spiritually culturally culturally or just anything population that summer of love and this one it is way different than gaffney south carolina oh yeah let's talk about a couple of people here okay let's talk about a guy first of all a guy named roger zane deadmond yeah is his name now uh roger he's born in 1940 and roger is and uh he's the oldest of three children he's born in north carolina cliffside north carolina and to be exact his father's name is bobo yeah which is that makes sense an interesting interesting uh he worked as a as a barber

in this town of cliffside ah which there was a lot of textile mills around here. Somebody couldn't pronounce barber in there. That's Bobo. That's Bobo. That there is Bobo. So heat a Bobo. You get your hair cut over there. It's all right.

Now, this is my grandfather after World War II opened a barber shop in New York. It was a smart thing to do back then because it was like those people you know times were tough where they were from especially my grandfather's parents were immigrants and they would supposed to do something that's sturdy sure so everyone people always need their haircut that's always one so that was a that's something they keep doing is growing more of that it's never gonna stop they're gonna always need shaves and haircuts especially back then men had to keep themselves very you know spiffy Had to get a haircut every couple weeks. That's a great point.

Clean cut and shit. Every picture that you see, their hair is perfect. Yeah, because they get haircuts all the time. They all have standing appointments. Every second Friday, Al comes in at 11 a.m. on his lunch break and gets a haircut. Somebody could be jogging. You catch a picture of somebody jogging. Their hair looks amazing.

Oh, yeah. My grandfather had... It was all set appointments. you know they were all always set this guy they all come in every week every two weeks and that's the whole thing he had going on but uh his his father here bobo was the was the the barber there now roger roger was a happy kid had a happy childhood he said that there was like dogs and horses always on his property he said daddy always had horses was his quote and uh he went to school like every other kid basically he said i really didn't like it until i was ready to graduate so he didn't get into it until the very end when it

was too late kind of i don't know if he was a late bloomer or what but he was into sports so i don't know he said uh that a quote i played tackle on a six-man football team it was the worst position i got creamed so apparently he got he was the six-man shit yeah they used to have six-man football squads is that two dudes on the line what is that i think that's a quarterback lineman and some and some other people. It's no blocking, basically. There's a guy that snaps the ball and one blocker type thing. Kind of like how you play in elementary school. Like if you don't have enough people, there's no lineman, basically. Because what are you going to do?

You're going to play fucking left guard and block this guy? No, that's not going to happen. But he was a tackle, he said. He was a tackle. So he's probably the guy. I don't know. That would be the center. The center slash tackle slash guard?

I don't know. He said it was the worst position and he got creamed. Jesus. You don't see a lot of be the center. The center slash tackle slash guard? I don't know. He said it was the worst position, and he got creamed. Jesus. You don't see a lot of six-man football now. They have seven-on-seven camps for quarterbacks and shit, where they'll have a couple linemen. It's mostly just receivers. It's like one lineman, five receivers, and a fucking quarterback to get their timing down. But yeah, he said that he basically, after high school, he kind of kicked around a little bit, had some odd jobs here and there.

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Deity, that is pretty great. A dash of sarcasm and just garnished a bit with a little bit of cursing. This mother f***er lied. Like a liar. Like a liar. And if you're a weirdo like us and love to cozy up to a creepy tale of the paranormal. Or you love to hop in the

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Maybe math. He could have been just into math, but eventually they couldn't afford. He couldn't afford to keep going to college. So he drops out after a year and a half. That's a burner. That sucks. Yeah, that sucks for him. And then so he ended up working in the textile mills, of um yeah just does that for a few years kicks around and i mean that's the start of a lot

of people around here that's going to be their life yeah i mean they from there you just bounce from job to job you do some odd jobs you work at that textile mill hope it stays open you know hope as long as it can maybe you can retire there eventually and get a pension or something. I mean, that's what these guys are trying to do. And a lot of people don't really even have that forethought of, like, hopefully this lasts forever. It's just they see this existing. They're like, oh, this is good. I'll do this forever.

Like people live now. It's the same way. They don't realize that shit goes away. Time's changing. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. Ask anybody who's worked for a fucking, who's, like, started in the 60s working for GM or something, building autos. Ask the people of Detroit about all that shit.

They watch that shit change for the next 40 years. It's a totally different industry and different business, different employment. So, yeah, he ended up from the mills. I think he probably just wanted to get the hell out of here. He ends up joining the Army in 1963. Because back then, that was a way to get the hell out of somewhere. At that time, that's a bad time to go. Yeah go yeah but foresight you wouldn't know that in 63 63 vietnam was a a blip it was uh yeah we sent some advisors over no one gave it a second fucking thought it wasn't a big deal kennedy's still present at this point right uh 63 is when

he got killed so yeah and up until november so i't, uh, you know, it's not a thing that's like, Oh, we're going to have, this would be a big escalation and you're definitely going to the front lines. There was no front line to go to really at that point there was fighting, but it wasn't like on TV every night and all that shit. So, uh, anything, he ends up, uh, going into the army, does some time in the army and he's, uh, they send them down to fort gordon and georgia for basic training and uh he was supposed to go to germany to be a radio operator that's his thing he's going to be shipped off to go to germany as a radio operator

and uh it's at that point right then that he announces his engagement to a woman. Okay. Yeah. So he's very, very excited. In 1963, he's about 23. This woman's 30. Okay. She's a little bit older. All right. And she's already got two kids. All right.

She puts out. Or at least two, possibly three kids. Okay. We're not sure. So, yeah. But for back then, in the South, in a conservative place, that was considered like, what's wrong with you? Why do you want some, you know.

Why do you want somebody that's used up? Some used up older. Yeah, 30. Good God. She might as well be fucking out to pasture now with her kids and her. She'll be in a home any day now. Yeah, is her AARP bride? Jesus Christ.

People kind of broke his balls. It's a woman named Lucille Hyatt. She's from Forest City, north carolina and they announced their engagement his parents were not not okay with it really uh yeah parents hated it parents were not cool at all wow well seven years older has three kids from a previous marriage and they're like sounds hard to me well yeah but that's you don't live in 1963 south carolina where they mad progressive in comparison you don't live in 1963 south Carolina. I guess I'm mad progressive in comparison. You don't live in 1963 South Carolina.

That's all it is. You just live in the modern day when it's like, yeah, who cares? But back then, that was like an embarrassment. How are we going to take her to the church? How are we going to explain those children? They're not yours. They're bastards. Everyone's going to talk. And that's how they thought back then.

Everyone's going to talk and they're going to whisper. You can't marry this woman. That kid's seven. You're 23. He was born when you were 13. Jesus Christ. That's the way they thought back then. Everyone's going to talk and they're going to whisper. And you can't marry this woman. That kid's seven. You're 23. He was born when you were 13. Jesus Christ. That's the way they look at it. They do the same math.

Yeah. See? So they're, you know, they don't like it, basically. They don't like it. They had in mind that he was going to marry some, you know, girl he went to high school with or something the same age. And they're going to have kids together and do all that. And that's not really what's going to happen here.

So the wedding ends up happening in 1964. Roger has another year ahead of him in the Army, but he comes home on a 30-day leave, marries Lucille. Her name's Annie Lucille Hyatt, but she goes by Lucille, by the way. It's her middle name, but that's what she goes by. Finally, 1965, April 26 26th 1965 uh he's discharged from the army and uh right then when he comes home that's when his marriage really starts to hit the rocks and uh yeah they're they're they haven't really spent any time together he was in

the army when they met and he was in training and then he was shipped off to germany and so he comes home they get married married. He leaves again. It was all very exciting and everything before when you're just sending a check. I didn't have to deal with. Well, not only that, just when they were hanging out and it was fun for a minute. I didn't have to live with each other and daily life. Also, he's about bills and shit. Twenty four.

She's thirty one. There's a there's a like a guy. Three kids. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. A guy can be thirty one and date younger. Yeah.

Girls that are older and younger they can do it obviously but the difference in like maturity why that's the difference gotta be the man the reason why guys date women that are younger is because they're they're equal maturity wise that's what it is maturity so if you flip it then we're 12 and you're 45 and mentally that doesn't work you know i mean that's where we're at here probably but uh 30 and 40 works out because that's that's fine it's the same yeah you're gonna meet in the middle there we're gonna be five years less and they're gonna be five years more so that's the way it is so we did those personal ads yeah every man was looking for the year

younger than him or are younger for 10 years way younger every woman was looking for the year younger than him or are younger for 10 years, way younger. Every woman was looking for the year older than her. And then 10 years older. That's it was the funniest fucking thing, what they're looking for. So he says that when he gets out, though, things start to go awry. He says,

quote, when I came out of the service, things weren't what they should have been. Lucille didn't want me to work at Pittsburgh plate glass company because the shifts were always rotated and she wanted me to have regular hours. Yeah, I can see that. Which is tough. That's just tough when you start working at a new job.

There's a lot of people, a lot of jobs like that. If you work at a hospital, you've got to start on the night shift. You can't just come in and demand your perfect schedule. I'm working per shift. You earn that shit. Yeah. So he says, lucille liked to go out a lot i like to go out once in a while too but not every night not when i had to work the next

day yeah which for her i mean she's got three goddamn kids too so you know she's got energy she can go out every night and still has these kids to take care of where uh he doesn't quite have the energy that lucille has um he said that, quote, she got in the habit of going down to the Highway 18 truck stop while I was in the service. She kept it up while I was working after I came home. That just sounds bad. Even if it's just to get a fucking milkshake. She got in the habit of going down to the Highway 18 truck stop while I was at the service.

Sounds like she's fucking blowing guys in their big rigs, doesn't it? Doesn't feel good. It doesn't feel good at all. And then saying she continued doing it when I came home. Afterwards, I said, you're going to stop sucking trucker dick, right? And she said, absolutely not. It's a habit. I will not gotten in the habit.

They know I'm known all up and down Highway 18. Are you kidding me? So, no, that's not what happened but she said quote or he said quote it got really bad me and her had trouble she had sworn out two arrest warrants on me i slapped her one time i didn't mean to hurt her but lucille when she got mad got hysterical she lit into me with a bottle that's when i made the biggest mistake of my life i pled guilty so uh yeah apparently she tried to into me with a bottle that's when i made the biggest mistake of my life i pled guilty so uh yeah apparently she tried to hit him with a bottle and he slapped her and so that's how which is just sounds like a real drunken mess it really two people that don't need to be together

he says then recorder's court wouldn't let her drop the charge i guess it was like an assault charge lucille didn't want to testify about it so the judge told me to plead guilty and he would just assess court costs no fine but it got on my record so now he's got that on his record yeah that's how that works when you plead guilty that's that's the thing he was just gonna charge me court costs but he put it on my record too oh jays it just wouldn't come off there was paperwork and all that jesus oh they wrote it down they wrote it down those bastards stop writing stop no i saw shit y'all write everything at the court down so yeah he says that she tried to get it revoked but uh they wouldn't drop the charge so there's that now 1967 early 1967 he gets a new, and he goes to work at $2.37 an hour. That's a great deal.

Which back then is about $18 to $19 an hour in today's money, which isn't bad. That's decent money. And he said in the production services department of a textile mill called Fiber Industries, which they lived in Spindale, North Carolina, and this was right near there. So he thought everything's gonna be better now. I got day shift. I got good money.

Like now we're going to be happy. And he said nothing. Nothing changed. They're the same people still. Just now there's now they're not going to fight about that thing. Now they'll fight about something else. So it doesn't matter. So they're at this point

you know they're they're fighting a lot uh but they also in 66 they have a son together so that's roger jr oh boy oh boy as we know from crime and sports never good what part of this legacy do you need to continue he's gonna carry it on so now there's four kids around, aging from one, in 1967, aging from one to 13. Wow. There's four kids, one to 13. Three of them are hers. I believe it's three daughters she has, and then they have a son. Her daughters, two of them are named Janet and Sandra.

I don't know the third. Now, one particular night here in May of 1967, May 20th 20th 1967 to be exact they go out to party the two of them yeah roger and lucille they go out to have a good time and tie one on now they accomplish one of those two things i'll let you know let you guess which one they tied one on but didn't have a good time all right so they go around from bar to they're just bar hopping going having a couple drinks here a couple drinks there basically everywhere they go they're fighting everywhere they go they have a drink they get in a fight and they end up leaving so there's like five different bars that of people that said yeah they showed up had a couple drinks they both seemed

drunk they fought and they left that's their blake that's what's happening tonight one fought well they fought one left the other followed they wound up somewhere else and then that's what happens rinse and repeat yeah that's exactly what the fuck happened i've been married i know how it goes so i mean they're fighting they're doing this all night do you think they would go home after two three bars but they go to like six bars i mean they're going bar to bar to bar doing this shit i wonder if it was like one acting up and making the other one feel bad and then they fight or if it's like they rotate back and forth between it's the two of them man i think it's it feels like it's the two of them they're they just don't get along is what it seems like at all so but they're going to stay together and get drunk which is a great thing to do with people you don't get along with so this particular night uh they had gotten into an argument apparently

at a bar about apparently he thought she was talking to some other guy some shit they got they got in a big drunken art they're both shit hammered by the way of course they got like very noticeably stumbling drunk they got in a big argument and she slapped him and scratched him. And this was seen by other people. She was like attacking his face and he was pushing her off. And the bad times, bad times here, uh,

just in a drunken, the two of them, I can't hate that. It's just the whole thing's gross. It's so good Lord. When you've been in that relationship, you know what that feels like yeah when one person is violent or the other one it doesn't matter no the point is that

that that discomfort that you feel and knowing that other people are watching this yeah they don't even they've gotten to the point where they don't even care anymore they're just gonna fight i don't know fight it out in public i don't know how after the first one you go i'll forgive you because it's gonna happen yeah it's never stopping yeah and this and from all accounts this is like uh you know she would get mad uh the violence would come from both sides and not that there's like any comparison but i mean their violence would she would attack him he would attack her they were they were shit-faced most of the time so there was no logic to it and it was a very much a matter of two people who were drinking too much yeah not getting along so it's very messy

this whole thing and you mix four kids into this mess it's rough too much baggage and it's a lot it's a lot so they leave finally it's about 12 30 they're cruising through shit-faced drunk driving like people did in the 60s and uh there's conflicting accounts of who was driving there's conflicting accounts whether roger or lucille was driving we're not sure which one but we do know that they end up at a restaurant an all-night restaurant that you can get takeout sandwiches from okay so they stop here and they're going to uh roger wants to get some sandwiches so by all accounts basically they pull into the parking lot they fight some more in the car uh argue fucking she's slapping at him shit like that that's seen by other people eventually he gets out of the car and goes

in to get sandwiches shit-faced so he uh gets his sandwiches yeah comes out and he's probably like this is gonna be real this is gonna be great comes out yeah and she's not in the car anymore car's there but she's not there keys are in the car she's not in the car so he's like what the fuck he figures at this point that obviously she was pissed off at him and they're fighting. So they probably ran into some friends of theirs is basically the restaurants near a bunch of bars. And it's people that, you know, from the bar stop at the restaurant after everybody knows each other. It's a small town. So it's one of those things. She said he said she probably found a carload of friends and hopped in the car and got a ride home to not deal with my stupid ass.

So, you know what? Fucking whatever. So recognized a big rig rolling down the road. Hi. Lift to the truck stop. and got a ride home to not deal with my stupid ass. So, you know what? Fucking whatever. Recognized a big rig rolling down the road and a lift to the truck stop. You never know. So he said, she was mad at me, so what am I going to do here? So he basically waited there for a little bit

and then said, I don't think she's here. First he waited, like, I don't know, maybe she walked over there or something. She never came back, so he said, fuck it, and he just drove home. Shit-faced. Okay. That's an interesting solution. There she walked over there or something. She never came back. So he said, fuck it. And he just drove home. Shitfaced. Okay. That's an interesting solution.

There's no cell phones or anything. She's not there. And he assumed that she probably got in the car with some friends. So what's he going to sleep there and wait for her? She probably left and went home is what he's thinking. So he's like, I'll meet her home. That's the point. She's got four kids.

It's not like, where is she going to go? So he drives home alone. And this is 45 minutes away. Hammered shitfaced drunk. He's driving, where is she going to go? So he drives home alone. And this is 45 minutes away. Hammered shit-faced drunk he's driving. This used to be a normal thing that people did, which is crazy. He drove 45 minutes? 45 minutes. From the sandwich shop.

Yes, to Spindale, North Carolina, where they resided. Holy shit. Shit-faced drunk. And he gets home, passes out, drunk. The 13-year-old had been watching the other children the night before. So all the babies are asleep and all that. So he gets home, passes out, and that's that. Next morning, though, he is awoken by a knock at the door, and it's the police.

at the door and it's the police and uh he wakes up he asks his uh his stepdaughter to change the baby's diaper and you know take care of the baby while he deals with the police and see what the hell's going on uh he's looking around he doesn't see his wife he doesn't see lucille he says so you know the cops come and uh they inform him that as a matter of fact, they said, you know, have you seen your wife? And he says, no, I left her at this. She took off on me from this restaurant. Hear me out, because you're probably not going to believe this. Yeah, this is weird. This is what happened.

So they tell him, strange that that happened, really strange. So you don't know where she was after that. No, not at all. He says, that's okay. So you don't know how she ended up raped, strangled and left on the middle of a road do you that's where we found her they found her they find her in the middle of jerusalem road on the center line wow naked and strangled and like splayed straw sprawled out yeah on the center fucking line of the road unbelievable clearly not hidden yeah this is this is you couldn't get more look what i did right than this wow um and

she had been sexually assaulted she'd been raped and strangled and left there and uh yeah so they tell him that and he's uh you know he says holy shit what the fuck so roger says quote they asked me if i'd accompany them to the place where they found lucille and i told them i'd do anything to help them find the killer which is you know that's good that's what oj said too so yeah so uh basically uh they do that um there was a woman they found that who had copied down his license plate number between gaffney and spindale when he drove home saying that he was all over the road swerving she wrote down his license plate went home and called the cops and gave the number the uh plate number to a spindale policeman and uh that's so they documented that shit so they knew that he wasn't at what time

driving around that was about 12 15 p.m. that night. And then basically he says, Roger tells the police that he was at the restaurant. He was there between 130 and 2 a.m., which is an hour after he was seen driving home. So there's a discrepancy. And also a thing about alcohol where, yes yes you don't know what time times times really meld together when you're like shit face stumble and drunk so and that's never more apparent than when last call sneaks up on you and you go it's like mid holy oh what is it four o'clock jesus christ so uh yeah they uh he says they're talking to him they go oh you know would you like to let's

get let's take a lie detector here just to make sure that your story's straight so we don't go on the wrong way and he takes a lie detector and he passes the lie detector uh but they also uh by the end of this they they basically it's days of interrogation not as straight but they keep doing it multiple days and eventually they announce that they've gotten a confession out of him what that roger says he he did it he killed his wife uh he says he doesn't remember it real well because he was drunk and he's kind of playing that card of the well i don't really remember but i guess i remember choking her you know like that sort of thing but you know i was so drunk that

wasn't me really one of those deals uh So they formally charge him with murder that Monday. And he's held without bail there. And his lawyer had a hard time or his family had a hard time finding a lawyer for him because it's a small town and lawyers wouldn't take the case. Really? No, because they didn't want to be associated with this. So he said, quote, But the lawyer wasn't interested. He wouldn't even come talk to me. He told me if I plead guilty, he'd get me a good place to serve my time.

He refused. I refused. And he told me I might get the chair. So, yeah, he's like, Jesus Christ. Finally, a couple attorneys, Jonathan McCown and James Arthur, agreed to defend him. And he said he couldn't remember what had happened that night. He just couldn't remember. You know, he just couldn't remember at all.

And what the sheriff says, he confessed. But now he's telling his lawyer he didn't confess. But the sheriffs are all saying that they have a detailed confession from him. So things don't look great for Roger here. He's got a drunken mess of time periods that are kind of weaning all over the place. It's not looking great for Roger at this point. A drunken timeline with a... Do they have a confession?

They say they do. They say they have a full confession, detailed the whole deal. They said he described choking her, but he didn't remember certain details, but everything he remembered he told is what they say. That'll get you the chair. So they go to trial. He's actually charged with her but he didn't remember certain details but everything he remembered he told is what they say that'll get you the chair so they go to trial he's actually charged with manslaughter they take him

for manslaughter because the fact that he was so drunk and everything they think the jury might go that way and you know they don't want to have it just be murder they might he might get acquitted at that point hard to prove uh premeditation when uh or it's the other thing or intent yeah when somebody's that fucking loaded yeah they're gonna say they're drunk they fought all the time they got in a fight it went too far he killed her he fucking left her in the road tried to make it look like somebody left her there manslaughter basically so he says quote they were convinced i was guilty and they wouldn't listen when i said a lot of people saw me in spindale at the time lucille was supposed to be killed i don't know whether they bothered

to talk to them i feel like i just didn't have a chance so he feels like you know the court in spindale at the time lucille was supposed to be killed i don't know whether they bothered to talk to them i feel like i just didn't have a chance so he feels like you know the court systems against him because it is yeah that's you know if you're a defendant you're pretty fucked like we've said before when they say the state of whatever versus you there's a lot of people it's more than you versus you you know right so the trial opens on december 12th 1967 and uh you know the whole thing they bring up all the drinking the they're fighting tons of witnesses talking about their fighting they bring up his assault conviction against her which looks fucking obviously looks bad um the the fact that they would fight and have these big escalating fights it's not out of the realm of

imagination that one of these fights would lead to a little more than that. Now, the prosecutor never produces a written signed confession from Roger. And back then, they didn't tape anything either. Well, then there's no confession. So they don't have that. But they also didn't refer to the results of the lie detector test because that wasn't admissible. But they did put up shitloads and shitloads of witnesses. One was Mike Jolly, who was the general sessions court solicitor who acted as the prosecutor here in this thing.

He wasn't a witness, but he's the prosecutor. And he's the guy. Another was a guy named Officer Collins, who was who took was the guy who took roger to the scene that they found lucille and collins gave the version of the confession he's the guy who's who he told the court about the confession he says quote roger stated to me that on friday evening may 19 his wife wanted to go to the highway 18 restaurant that's the old truck stop there but he suggested they go somewhere else because he didn't like to go there seemed like there's guys there that he doesn't want her around um quote she insisted on

going and he agreed to take her they were accompanied by peggy hodge of rutherford county who later left the place with someone else she said later that she had several beers and shots of whiskey during that evening that he had several beers and shots of whiskey that she saw and then they went other places she said sometime during the evening roger told his wife to enjoy the visit because it would be the last time that was she was heard saying that loudly to her enjoy it because it's gonna be the last fucking time you come here i'm sure bitch followed or something um quote later his wife became very angry and attempted to drive off and leave him. But he overtook her car and got behind the wheel. She attempted to jump out several times, but he held her.

That makes sense as far as because there was discrepancy of who was driving when they left. It seems like she left the bar driving. They showed up at the restaurant with him driving. That seems to be what witnesses say. So this is, uh, they fought along the way and went back and forth. He pushed her.

He pushed her. Yeah. And he held her when she tried to get out. They decided to go to the grill, which was the restaurant in Gaffney, South Carolina for something to eat. But he did not recall arriving there. Um,

you know, he didn't remember he's drunk. So then the officer says a quarrel began and she said she was not going to live with him anymore. She said she was going and he said not with the baby. She cursed him and a fight began. So that's yeah. She said, fuck you.

I'm taking the baby. He said, no, you're fucking not. And when you're drunk at midnight, this is not a fight to have. Bad fight to have. This is a morning talk. This is a morning talk with very sober minds that you need to discuss it. With a headache and lots of apologies. Listen, okay, let's have a cup of coffee before we get into this.

Then he says, Mrs. Deadman began kicking and scratching. And from this point on, his story is a little foggy. The murder part's a little foggy which you know a lot of times when people confess they'll remember everything and the murder part they're like i just was i don't know like really you remembered the uh exact toll that you paid and how much that was and the name of the toll booth guy you remember that off his little badge never been through ever but you don't remember know, cutting a person's head clean off their body. That's just ran away on you.

Front window of a grocery store displaying a woman dead. But you remember that. You remember peaches are on sale. Right. But you didn't fucking, okay. So he says, this is the officer, quote, he can't remember having a fight anywhere else but where her body was found. That's the only place he said he remembers fighting. He said he didn't remember fighting in the restaurant, in the car.

All he remembers is fighting on the road. He says, quote, when he realized she was dead, he must have taken her clothes off. He remembers choking her. He isn't sure about where he hid her clothes, and they have never been found. He said he loved her so much he wanted to hold her one more time. That's that was the fuck. That was the thing there. Now, other witnesses testified about the general state of their stormy marriage, fighting about drinking.

Both the Union County Sheriff Harold Lamb and Deputy Fowler both reiterated Officer Collins' version of the confession as well. They were there as well. They said, that's what we heard. Same thing. Both of them testified that Roger said he wanted to cooperate by giving a confession without a lawyer present so he could get a better deal, basically, because they told him, hey, if you cooperate, maybe we can help you.

And so he said, OK, sure. That's what they're saying now. Help me if you cooperate maybe we can help you and so he said okay sure that's what they're saying now help me if you can uh roger said that he had no chance to hire a lawyer uh at the time when because roger testifies too yeah he says that he didn't have a chance to hire a lawyer he didn't say he didn't want a lawyer there he just he couldn't hire one it took his family a week to find one and he says i didn't confess he said that's bullshit i did not confess in there i never said any of that i didn't say any of that shit and they said well there's three officers that say you did say all that shit and he said i didn't say any of that shit uh they said well what the

fuck did happen then when he gets on the stand and they said well um i'm not sure basically he doesn't even remember that now nope they call it call it. Jesus is not good, sir. A newspaper reporter called his version, quote, murky and full of holes. So that's not good. All he could give was a sketchy outline and he couldn't get supply details either. He said he admitted drinking. That's he knew. He said, we drank and we fought. That happened.

I remember that. He said, but the last time I saw my wife was about midnight when I left her in the car outside the grill place in Gaffney to get sandwiches. I returned with some sandwiches and she was gone. I assumed she drove off with some friends. I went home. I went to sleep, woke up to a door knocking and told my stepdaughter to change the baby. And now here I am.

That's all I remember. That's it. So, yeah, it's not good. It's a very short trial, too. You know, it's pretty much all those people and him going, I didn't do it. And they're like, yeah, you did. Open and close in terms of the public. It's not good.

So, yeah, he said he's drunk and he doesn't know what the fuck he's doing and the whole deal. So the verdict comes in. It's 10 men, two women on the jury. And it takes them less than four hours to come back and say guilty of manslaughter. And Roger's going to go to the pen here. And so he's in for sentencing now. And sentencing down there is rough, too, because where you go is a big deal. And he gets sentenced.

Which chain gang, too. Oh, Jesus. Things like that. He gets sent to, you can get sent is a big deal. And he gets sentenced. Which chain gang, too. Oh, Jesus. Things like that. He gets sent to, you can get sent to a work camp. Labor camps. Which is, yeah, back then it was still, they give you 50 years hard labor. Yeah. Shit like that.

He gets sentenced to, you, sir, may fuck off 18 years in a prison. Yeah. And they send him to Union County, where she was found, and he is sent to a chain gang in a prison yeah and they sent him to union county where she she was found and he is sent to a chain gang yeah in a prison camp union county where there are no unions no no no no and they hate the union so it's very bad stuff so yeah he uh he's sent to a prison camp chain gang in the south carolina sun bad stuff yeah real bad so i mean. So, I mean, it's interesting, though. I mean, it's kind of an open and shut, kind of a silly little thing here. And it really would be an open and shut silly little thing here if January 29th, 1968, things

get a little bit weird. Yeah. A young girl named Nancy Christine Reine reinhardt goes by tina yeah uh she is 14 years old and january 29th 1968 she leaves her home on montgomery street headed for the top dollar store yeah so her mother works there at the top dollar store and she's got a new outfit on and she wants to go show her mom her outfit. So she leaves to go walk to the top doll, top dollar and never comes home, never arrives at top dollar and never comes back home. Disappears. OK, then very soon after that, a miss Mrs.

Nancy Carol Paris. Oh, no. Who's 20 years old, went out to walk her tiny white poodle and disappeared. Never to return again here. Well, we'll find out about this. Monroe Paris, who's her husband and has a fucking cool name. His name is Monroe Paris. That's an awesome name.

I'm sorry. That is like, that's a fucking like a movie star. It's either that name. I'm sorry. That is like that's a fucking like a movie star. It's either that or a gay porn actor. A good one. Yeah. He gets a lot of work. That's what I mean. Ladies and gentlemen, Monroe Paris. You're like, fuck. There he is. Look at the cock on that guy.

Tighten the knot. I want to see it. Or an unbelievable drag queen. That's a great name. Monroe Paris. Someone use Monroe Paris as a stage name because it's fantastic. There's going to be some spots open at the Comedy Store. Use it there. Use it there. Fuck it.

At least one we know of. It was right here, so we have She Was Missing, 20, and then the other one, Tina Reinhart's only 14. That's barely old enough for chris d'alia to hit on like that's so it's very smudged too old just it's just right there it's on the cusp she's just about to age herself out so now he's the husband of of the of nancy paris and uh he said that his wife left home with his parents. I'm sorry, they live with his parents, and she left the house about 3.30 p.m. on a Wednesday afternoon to walk her dog,

a white poodle that he gave her as a Christmas present the month before. So, I mean, can't get more innocent than that. She had no set pattern in walking the dog. She just walked wherever. It wasn't like she did the same route every day and you could track her. It's new. Or something. That's what I mean.

She was trying to probably figure out a route. She's seen walking the dog about three blocks from her house at 3.45 p.m. at a cafe where she cashed a $10 bill and made a telephone call. Okay, that was that.

Got changed. Got it. Yeah, got changed and made a call. Yeah, was that oh change got changed got it okay yeah got changed and made a call yeah cashed at that soon so uh she ended up now monroe paris said he was at a downtown pool hall about at this time and had gone next door to get something to eat and when he returned to the room he was told that he was called on the phone by a girl. You're telling me that Monroe Paris goes to the pool hall and gets phone calls? He's the coolest motherfucker on earth. Monroe! Monroe Paris!

He got a call. It's a girl. I don't know. He's the coolest motherfucker. He's cool, man. He's shooting pool. Got chicks calling him. But they assume the phone call she made there was probably to her husband. Because it's the same time she was seen making a phone call.

The same time he got a phone call from a girl at the pool hall and he doesn't know any other girls really. He's married and they're young and they're not like fucking around yet. So, you know, everything's still good in their relationship. They haven't had a bar time argument. They still don't scratch and fight at three in the morning. So yelled at each other under neon lighting. Yeah. So she never came home. he got home he uh searched around all the blocks around the house looking for her trying to find her somewhere you know thought maybe maybe she fell down and

broke her leg or something in a ditch and she's laying there with the dog trying to whatever he said who the fuck knows so he's looking around she's yelling to a puppy yeah go get help biting me why are poodle little poodle so dumb i know poodles are smart i don't know how to pet you i don't know how to do it so he couldn't find her at all didn't find a trace of her didn't find the dog didn't find either one nothing not even a pile of turds to match back to the poodle nothing here uh even french shit not even french shit a coily little pile of it you know it'd be a coily little pile of it perfect yeah it's my coiled shit i'd make nice for you so uh he said that nancy would never have accepted a ride with anyone that wasn't she wasn't she was smarter than that and just you know scared of strangers like a normal person he said that his wife wouldn't even accept a ride with his

brother-in-law or friends so come on he said to pick you up no we did no literally like she's like doesn't want to ride in the car with with strange people even if they're related to her technically she's not into it she's got a a shitty Thanksgiving. She just hates everybody. She probably had something happen to her and doesn't like to be in confined spaces with dudes. And if it didn't happen to her, somebody closed by. I understand that anybody who's paid attention to the media would have to come to the conclusion that I killed my wife. Hi, my name is Zach Stewart-Pontier. I'm one of the filmmakers behind The Jinx, and I'm excited to bring you The Official Jinx Podcast.

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possible criminal activity. The pair form an unlikely partnership to catch the killer, unearthing secrets that leave Ruth torn between her duty to the law, her religious convictions, and her very own family. But something more sinister than murder is afoot, and someone is watching Ruth. With an all-star cast led by Emmy nominee Sanaa Lathan and Star Wars' Kelly Marie Tran, Chinook is available exclusively and ad-free on Wondery+. Join Wondery in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts. That's what I mean. So yeah, this is now the Reinhardt girl, Tina Reinhardt, she left her home on the 29th, like we said,

to go to the dollar, top dollar. She stopped at her grandmother's house, who was Miss Ashley Asley Reinhardt, at about 2.30, told her grandmother she's going to the store, and she never came back. So this is within two days of each other this is the 28th and 29th so people in this town in a small town are mother fucking freaking out i mean freaking out this is like there might as well be it's like

independence day like the aliens are invading freaking out out. People hold their kids at a school. People like fucking put extra locks on their door. You couldn't find a gun on the shelves in town. I'm sure. Or an axe or any kind of weapon here. They said at night that fucking town was dead silent. Nobody was out. Everybody was scared, except for search parties that were sent out to find these girls.

I mean, it's creepy. That's just creepy. It sounds like everything's dead except people searching through woods and brush. And it's crazy. The sheriff here, Sheriff Wright, said, quote, this is a tough one. We're following every lead, checking every story, and doing everything possible to get to the bottom of this thing. And the chief deputy said, we've talked to a lot of people,

and we have more to talk with. But right now, we just don't have anything to tie together in order to come to any definite conclusions we have uh we would have to say that we have no number one suspect at this time not good no uh at this time helping no and there's no connection between the two the 14 year old and the 20 year old they don't know each other there's no connection it's not like they were you know someone that may be the same person so they're like how many fucking people are running around killing people here what the fuck basically it's not roger deadman he's in jail for killing his wife um also in the paper they ran this cartoon uh to show what gaffney

was it was a cartoon with a house and it was a giant padlock the size of the door on the door. And a man in the window with a gun and a bright porch light and welcome was crossed out on the mat. And it said, quote, Gaffney by night under it. So people just looking for this fucking killer who's stalking the streets which yeah yeah well fucking would be too you know it's fucking frightening um yeah people said uh this is the editor of the paper this uh gibbons guy he says quote his last name's gibbons quote people were afraid to go to school afraid to go shopping they kept their children locked in the house um it was fucking crazy people would uh they said that people were

shooting at shadows in their yards what just anything people were fucking paranoid and on the edge and just walking around with their guns drawing down on their shadows in the yard this sounds dangerous he said people really didn't know what to do they're armed which isn't uh which is what happened 40 years ago if you step up on somebody's porch, you don't know whether you'll get shot or welcomed. Oh, my God. So, yeah, that shit is pretty fucking interesting. But the thing is, what ends up happening is February 8th, 1968. So this is 10 days or so go by.

Nothing happens. And then February 8th, 1968, that all changes here. Bill Gibbons, who's the guy we just talked about, got a quote from. He's the managing editor of The Ledger. He says on February 8th, an anonymous caller called him and told the newspaper, told him to take three sheets of paper and write down, quote, three stories that he's going to give you. And he said, this is what you're going to do. You're going to go.

And he gave him directions to things, basically. And after about two and a half hours after that, another call came into the sheriff's office asking if Gibbons had contacted the sheriff. And the sheriff said, yes, we got a call from Gibbons. And so the guy hung up now what he says to him on the first sheet, write the following. This is what he says to Gibbons. Write the following. Go by the junior high school to the chain gang road, following the road toward the chain gang to the second bridge.

You'll see a dirt road. You turn off on it. Go to the top of the hill. Turn left and go to the top of the hill turn left and go to the edge of the woods stop the car get out face toward i-95 and walk one quarter mile through the woods down one hill and up to the top of another look for a pile of brush okay then right after that he said take the second sheet and put on it go to the bridge on the old fork road look in the water on the downhill side okay then he instructed gibbons to write the following on a third sheet of paper march 20th 1967 jerusalem road union county annie annie

lucille deadman uh spindindale, North Carolina. He said to write. And that's all he ever said about that. Now, he said after that, go back to sheet number one. Write the name Nancy Christine E. Smith Street. So at this point, the newspaper guy said he's getting a little sick of this shit. He's like, who the fuck is this idiot and why is he doing this? This is a waste of my time.

He said he just got back from lunch. He was going to get back into his work. He's got this guy telling the right shit on paper playing a game. He's like, is this a kid playing a prank? Like, what is this stupid shit? So he said, whatever. He said, I'm curious, though. So I stayed on the line, didn't hang up on him.

And the guy said, he told him to do so. Gibbons says back, Nancy Christine who? He said. And the guy said, Christine is not her last name. That will do. That's all he said. He said, that's it. Then he said, go back to the sheet number.

Go back to sheet number two and write down the name Nancy Carol Paris, Chatham Avenue. Okay. After this he said get the sheriff to go with you and you will find two bodies

at the location I've given you. This is not a crank call. So the reporter said this guy's full of shit. This guy's full of shit and I don't fucking believe him at all

but he said you know even if it's a crank call it can't hurt to go with the sheriff down there. How many phone calls is he getting

telling him to find bodies? But like this, he sounds like it sounds way too elaborate. I don't know. One of those things. I'd be horrified and be like, I'm not going to these places. We've watched TV for our whole lives. This is 1967. There's not as much TV.

So this just sounds far fetched bullshit. This doesn't sound like some plot from a fucking Hitchcock story. And Zodiac hasn't even started yet. No, around then it's so and that's in california so i mean so he's in this is small town they're just not used to this they're like who is this asshole this is ridiculous so he said when i called sheriff julian b right away from his lunch he thought it was just pranksters too uh julian b wrong julian b wrong motherfucker this shit's real it's real as shit so uh yeah the call describes all this uh surprise basically they went over first to the railing of the small bridge that they said and uh there they found completely naked the body of a young woman

mostly on the bank but her face was in the water the editor went with him yeah the editor went to go with the cop i'll be like there's one there he told us where another is i'm gonna go the fuck home he's a reporter though but yeah this is this is gold if you're a reporter call me and let me know what that's why you're not a reporter reporter is the guy who calls you to tell you what happened how much do you understand how this works jesus christ jimmy it's not that complicated man no that's not that how you do it reporters go on the thing that's why you're not or i am not investigative reporters or anything i don't want to see this so they thought it was bullshit they were going like yeah whatever we'll take a ride it's bullshit and we'll clear it out and then we'll have a laugh at it and we'll probably get shit face later and we'll go beat our wives

together or whatever they did back then i don't fucking know scary part though is if this guy pin something on a black guy i don't know fuck if he'll do this shit he's leading us out to this body is he nearby and he'll pick us off that's the other thing it's crazy but back then like i said they didn't think there wasn't all these stories and movies and tv shows where they was hiding in the thing it's just a bullshit sweet jesus so basically uh yeah they ended up looking down this is just like the caller had said nancy, Nancy Carol Paris's body that they find down there. She'd been missing since the night before. Basically, they found, and don't even because it's worse for her.

They found both her and her dog were strangled. She had also been raped and beaten a little bit as well. They were strangled. The dog too. Strangled with a belt, which is the same thing that they think that Lucille was strangled with. Basically, she's discovered beneath the old country bridge on Ford Road. Her body was laying, like we said, head submerged in the water. Deep circular mark around her neck and cigarette burns on her back. Her body was laying, like we said, head submerged in the water, deep circular mark

around her neck and cigarette burns on her back. Wow. So sadistic a bit here too. Now, next, they said we followed the very accurate instructions

given by the caller arriving at the scene facing I-85. We could hear the road noise and could make out a fairly accurate guess about the direction.

We fanned out each man searching in a different direction off the thickly wooded area. Now they're fucking serious. Now they've called in other people. Thank God. We need to fucking find this motherfucker serious. This isn't a joke anymore. So, yeah, they said, here we found what the caller's measurements were off somewhat. For we had walked about three quarters of a mile when Deputy Cole shouted that he'd found a body.

Yeah, he came upon the brush pile as the caller said he would. He kicked off part of the brush and saw a portion of another body. It's a young girl face up, hands at her side, completely nude, bearing several scratches, abrasions and blue-red bruise around her neck. Same thing as the other one. She's also been raped. And, yeah, this, the caller had given the first of the two names as Nancy Christine, but had not given the last name, which was Reinhardt. So she goes by Tina Reinhardt.

He said that she lived on East Smith Street and was about two blocks off of that because she lived on East Montgomery Street. And, yeah, and the editor said, I'm not the only guy who heard his voice, basically. Now, the problem is people around town start thinking it's Gibbons that did this. Yeah. Because the only thing that saves him with the cops is a call came into the sheriff's department saying, did he call you while he was with the sheriff? That's the only way that he's cleared by the sheriff.

Otherwise, they all suspect him too. And they don't release that that caller called the sheriff's office because they don't want to reveal their whole hand to the public. But that means that the whole public is talking shit about Gibbons saying that he's the murderer. Everyone in town is saying he's the murderer. They also don't want to reveal that they know they want to leave some information that only the killer knows that he called the cops that's what i mean so it's it's it's fucking insane man uh

it's absolutely it's nuts here um they did determine that uh the coroner was wrong here the coroner determined that nancy reinhardt had only been dead less than 24 hours which would mean she'd been held captive for 10 days which actually wasn't true um he killed her right after he took her and the coroner was wrong basically way wrong i mean because it's cold it's winter it's also the 60s it's the 60s well and it's winter so the decomposition it doesn't take the same so it being the one in the water too no no no she was the one under the brush under the brush uh now sheriff wright said the body at the ford road location would likely have been discovered in a short amount of time right off the bridge not a big deal but he said it would have been a long time before they found that other one it was three

quarters of the mile in the woods you know under brush like it would have been very very difficult to find her there man yeah that's what i mean he walked her out there he did this shit oh it gets even worse too by the way as far as creepiness goes this is a creepy motherfucker now the following week on february 12th four days later another call comes into bill gibbons uh here it's a male voice again and he said on a sheet of paper, write this down. No, I don't want to do this. At this point, he's grabbing sheets of paper. He's like, fuck it.

I'll write anything down you tell me. On a sheet of paper, write this down. March 1967, Jerusalem Road, Union County, and the name Annie Lucille Dedman. He says it again. Now, they disregarded that the first time because they knew that that person was found and dead and whatever uh no he says he says uh it's spindale north carolina don't go by yourself take the sheriff again and he says they went to the location there and found nothing because this was a sheriff in another county so they didn't know that she was found there so they went to look for a body there and there's no body and they're like there's nothing fucking here and then they did a

little investigation the cops said let me look up the name and blah blah blah and they found out that's the exact location where annie lucille desmond deadman was found fucking year and a half earlier a year earlier there husband's in jail and they found out that their husband the husband is serving 18 years in prison for this. So they're like, what the fuck? Confusion is reigning, Jimmy.

This is, I don't know what's going on. So then later on that night, this is, the editor goes home, Bill Gibbons, about 9.15 p.m. He gets a phone call

at a certain time. Oh no, at home. At home. Oh no. At home. Oh no. And he says,

give a sheet of paper. Oh no. No, he doesn't. He says, no. And he says, give a sheet of paper. Give a sheet of paper. Oh, no. No, he doesn't. He says, quote, this is the same man who called you before. Oh, I hate you. He says, Bill goes, hello. And he goes, this is the same man who called you before.

No. God damn it. Why am I so curious about things? Why? Why did I want to be a reporter? I could have been an accountant. Sucks. I could have gotten a law school.

What the fuck am i doing this is not what i wanted to do so they said calm deliberate voice he says quote this is what he says the caller quote we're going to have to do something about that man down yonder serving my sentence and uh he said what are you talking about and he said i killed mrs deadman just like i did mrs paris and reint. I killed them all. I killed them with them all begging me not to do it. He then said he wanted to talk more about the Deadman thing. I don't want to talk to you.

And he said, quote, the Deadman girl was driving at a high rate of speed when she passed me at Linder's Vineyard. She was driving a red Ford with the left rear taillight out. He, meaning the husband meaning roger was passed out in the car i was behind her as she started back toward gaffney and uh basically uh what ended up happening was uh he said that when he followed them into the uh he had what he had seen them fighting like in the car to the grill and and he saw them like fighting so he watched him roger going to the grill and uh he said that he came over and basically said uh you need a ride and she was like fuck yeah i do and she got right in the car no problem didn't even didn't take a

fucking bit of you know didn't even have to talk or anything no coercing just literally said need a ride yeah she was like yes i do oh boy right in. He says, this is what his next words are. Quote, she had on blue shoes, size five. She had a blue pocketbook with a snap top. In it was lipstick, an aluminum comb, a picture of a girl sitting on the back of a white Falcon. That's fucking specific. A white Ford Falcon car keys, a watch, which had no band on it.

She had the band broken when she and her husband had a scuffle. This is what he says. So he asked her about it. She wore an open bottom dress with a lot of frills, no coat stockings and a 32 inch bra. No change that to 36 inch bra. What a memory. I took her body to Union County to throw suspicion off Cherokee County. I laid her below the transformers to throw suspicion off Cherokee County.

I laid her below the Transformers on the old Jerusalem Road with her head downhill. Her eyes were still open. He said that she had a relative. She said that Lucille mentioned that she had a relative who was a policeman and that she said to him, quote, he's sure going to get you. And basically he says he hasn't gotten you, though. Not yet is basically what the guy said. That turned out to be a lie. That's amazing.

The memory as I was married to my ex-wife for nine years. I don't remember any of that. Yeah, that's that's the thing here. Gibbons said he asked where he had put the poodle and he didn't understand. And the guy said he said, the little dog. Where is where's the little dog? And he said it's dead she said uh mrs paris had the dog with her and uh and uh he said bill gibbon said where's the dog and he said quote it's out in the open at the exact location where i killed her and where is that and he said i can't tell you my car tracks are there and it would give me away the clothes have been destroyed so this is after they've been found so then he says uh he didn't talk about the other ones he said almost before i could gather my

thoughts on the call he the guy called again the guy ended up hanging up and he called him back and very calmly he said quote i forgot to tell you oh god you should you again that mrs deadman had some harris teeter stamps in her pocketbook she forgot to add that detail he wanted to call back to make sure yeah i forgot to tell you and then he said i believed you already yeah no i i you gave me so much the rest the whole paragraph of her all of her possessions were quite so gibbon said he was trying to ask about reinhardt and paris because the other one has been like done and whatever so he's like asking about the two girls and all this guy wanted to talk about was Ask about Reinhardt and Paris because the other one has been like done in whatever. So he's like asking about the two girls.

And all this guy wanted to talk about was Lucille Deadman. He says, quote, the same weapon was used in all three deaths. And Gibbons said, what weapon? And he said, I can't say it. That would give me away. So he's got his thing here. In a steady voice, he insisted that Deadman death was in march instead of may even though it was in it was in may uh he said it was midnight march 20th past 12 which is correct

except it was may uh may 20th he all he said that the reinhardt the the 14 year old was slain at 10 a.m and this was discounted by everyone everyone but basically that they said you know she must have been killed in the afternoon but they said not if he held her overnight and did it the next day he might have killed her 10 o'clock the next morning that's very possible as well here they said quote the coroner got the other just about right about 1 30 he said in about Nancy Paris as he read about it in the paper he said quote and then Gibbons said don't you think you ought to come in and give yourself up and he said well i'll get the chair now they'll get me can't do it now jesus christ and the gibbon said quote you need help you might not get the chair

at all and he said yeah i'll get the chair he's like come on this is fucking south carolina he even knows when you talk to the cops they tell you they're gonna help you all they're gonna help you dude is get in the chair yeah you need a boost up into that chair that's what they're giving you whatever they're saying we can help you that's a boost up to the chair that's a guy on each arm guiding you into can we strap you into this chair do you need that help all helped now good let's electrocute you um yeah so he's jesus christ he said yeah i'll get the chair then he said he had the hands and feet tied in all three he said yeah he said he had his hands and feet tied in all three cases all three women he had tied them up uh so gibbons asked him where did you pick up the paris

girl and he said that would give me away and they said uh what about the reinhardt girl and he said quote she has been dead a week. I have been back to the grave site seven or eight times. So he kept coming back and forth to this place. God knows doing what. Yeah. So Gibbons said, quote, you have some feelings or you wouldn't be concerned about Deadman. Why don't you give yourself up?

And he says, quote, they'll have to shoot me like the dog i am which is not what you want to hear and he said uh you need help and we'll try to help you and he said quote i'm psycho that's what he said i knew i'm psycho you're not helping me he's like there's no help for me i'm fucked up and uh he said quote the only reason i'm telling you any of this is to get the other boy out meaning roger uh he said quote uh uh what he said he said uh the other boy out, meaning Roger. He said, quote, what he said. He said, the other boy out, he said, quote, he's serving my time, which is okay. He's got a conscience about that? That's the weird thing.

He says, I'll be in, but if they don't catch me, there will be more deaths. So he's saying, I'm going to kill again also. So, yeah, Gibbon said this is definitely the guy from the first call uh the whole deal we know given yeah so then the next morning the next morning february 13th at 7 15 a.m a 15 year old girl named opal dal Diane Buxton is going to her school bus stop with her sister trailing close behind her, Gracie Buxton. She's walking behind her. They're going around to Ben.

Gracie's about 50 yards behind Opal. And at that point, Gracie looks up because she hears a scream. She runs toward the scream, and what she sees is a white man, 25 to 30 years old, forcing her sister Opal into the trunk of a blue or black unknown make or model car. Teach your kids what cars are. Yeah. And this, well, she's a 16 year old kid. And it's important to say that Gracie and Opal are black. Everybody else is white in this scenario.

He does not care. Age, race, it's very odd in terms of psychological profile goes everything from 14 to 30 there's no that's what i mean 14 to 30 different racial components it's very much and a dog yeah it's almost like someone who has multiple things going on in their brain type of thing but we'll talk more about that so uh yeah uh the sister said that the man spotted her running toward because she was yelling and that's when uh that's when she turned and ran away because it looked like he was going to come after her so she ran back to her house basically

uh she ran back toward the house uh about a half mile down the road a dirt road too so this is rural man this they had to walk a half mile down the dirt road to get to the main road to get to get to the bus so she ran to her brother and told him what happened the two hurried back to the house to tell their parents who were uh emmanuel buxon and i don't know his mother's name or their mother's name uh relatives they all everybody goes to where they you know where they are where this girl was taken and the only signs they see are one of opal's shoes on the ground some school books that she carried scattered on the ground and her scarf is right there as well so clearly it was a struggle right now the buxons don't even have a phone they don't have a phone in their house so the father has to drive to his mother's house to

call the police uh who immediately started uh what they called the largest manhunt in the history of the county at that point uh so they're looking for bluer black sedan white man 25 to 30 years old uh holding a young black girl hostage so yeah that's basically a significant part that's that's the part you're gonna see there's probably a bunch of the other one, but that's what... There's only one of those. Only one of those, probably. Thank fuck.

Thank fuck for that. So February 14th, 1968, at this point, they're looking and everybody's involved in this. The whole town's interested in searching and finding and trying to help this girl and find her because they've seen what's happened to two other people here. and trying to help this girl and find her because they've seen what's happened to two other people here. So a golf pro, a local golf pro named Henry Costin Transow, he golfed at the National Cherokee Golf Club, and a friend of his named Lester Skinner,

they said, you know what? Fuck, man. We heard that this abduction took place not too far from this golf course, so let's look around. Let's's join the fucking search so they do uh they begin searching around the back roads around there what they say looking for a someone who would strangle kids basically they're looking for a guy who fits that description anybody who looks at a place they're especially looking for uh you know an older model chevy blue or black with a guy who fits that description anybody who looks at a place they're especially looking for uh you know an older model chevy blue or black with a guy who fits that description in it that's what

they're looking for cruising around back roads looking for kids to kidnap so uh while they're searching around they find a young man standing next to a black 1957 chevy trying to block the road with logs he's pushing logs out into the middle of the road to block the road off. So these two guys stop and get out of the car and they stop and get out of the car. This guy jumps in his car and fucking takes off. So they hop in their car and chase off after him. Oh, so now they're tearing through the back roads like fucking Roscoe P. Coltrane chasing the Duke boys.

That's a NASCAR. Oh, there's some fucking clouds of dust are going. Got some rubbing going. Shit is crazy here. Gravel's flying. But what they do, they don't catch him, but what they do is they get his license plate number. Nailed it. They get the license plate number here.

The following morning, Tranzow, the golf bro, took police back to where he saw the car. And he said, there's a guy standing here. He's pushing logs in the road he looked very suspicious and as soon as he saw us he jumped in the car and fucking ran away don't know but i think this is the guy uh so they said we're gonna search around here so what they do is they start at the road where he was and they fan out into the woods and about a hundred yards from where they saw the car, they find Opal. What? They find Opal, and same thing. She is raped and strangled.

Oh, no. And she's also stabbed as well. Oh, what? So he's progressing. My theory is that he found out that strangling people is hard and takes a long time. And he said, if I stab, it'll go quicker. That's perfecting your craft is what that is they call that with serial killers he's he's getting the thing first in the road and then over a bridge and then we'll bury it in the brush a little bit

and then here we'll stab it so it's easier stab this poor person and it's fucking rough here so yeah they find her like i said nude strang raped, and stabbed in the woods here. Absolutely awful in a creek bed. They find her about a half mile off the highway. Poor Opal. Opal Diane Buxton. So the police, what they do is they basically stake out that spot for longer because this guy is clearly, he said he returned to the other one seven or eight times he did the same thing with this one so they stake all that out uh they they do all of that and then uh finally uh they get they have their license plate number of the car so they

wait there and at the same time they find they do a little investigation and they find out who owns the car two hours later uh law enforcement agents walk into a restroom at a textile mill and they find out who owns the car. Two hours later, law enforcement agents walk into a restroom at a textile mill and they arrest somebody, a man named Leroy Martin. And they charge him, they have an arrest warrant for Opal's murder. And he's the guy, drives a black 57 Chevy with the license plate that the men copied down. It's a cool car. It is. His was run down and old.

He didn't like keep it up no we'll talk about that actually it's there's an interesting this car this car turns into a fucking thing man oh no everything involved in this case is cursed by the way really it's all cursed it's fucking ridiculous yeah those cars i mean even a crap one is worth 15 20 grand right now if it was yeah if it didn't even have doors, it would be worth that one. It's a piece of shit. Yeah. You can soup them up and sell them for 150, 200 grand. Oh, God. It's wild.

They have them. If you look at Barrett-Jackson. One of the most sought-after vehicles on the planet. It represents old-timey Americana bullshit. Looks like big tits and big hair. That's it. That car looks like big tits to me. Somebody takes their hat off and salutes it.

Starts singing America the Beautiful. tits to me somebody takes their hat off and salutes it starts singing america the beautiful hips tits and hair right there that's what that is on four wheels four amber waves of tits that's the song right amber waves of tits comes out i think i don't know but it's fucking turning me out buddy i'll tell you what those fins on that car look at this man that's they're all lips hips and tits oh boy so uh february 17th 1968 they arrest leroy martin is his name uh 30 year old guy uh textile worker uh quote in the paper they quote him as having several children he has three we find out it could have very easily found that out i found it out in two seconds fucking 40 something years later so i feel like 50 years later i feel like a newspaper

reporter could have found that out very quickly back then his relatives were alive they could have asked a question you think right so they look into his uh his background uh all they find criminally on this guy is he really doesn't have much of a record except for one incident 1957 he's arrested for assault with intent to rape oh no which is uh would definitely be a precursor in this type of thing that's when you realize gee if i leave him alive they'll tell on me they tend to talk yep so uh he they give him a psychiatric examination after his arrest and he's judged sane as right away they would take him to the hospital to see if they were going to be able to try him so while awaiting trial uh here he's at central institution he tries to kill himself

sort of um it's a half-hearted suicide attempt here. He pulled a slat from his bed and scratched up his arm. It was a pretty weak one. He just, you know, he wasn't really going for it. We'll talk about a real one later on. That's not it. That's weak. That's weak shit, brother. So now it's at this moment that Georgia authorities come up from around the Atlanta area

this moment that georgia authorities come up from around the atlanta area to talk about two disappearances of young girls that they have down there as well uh yeah uh so they come up they investigate the whole thing but they're unable to establish any connection because they have women who were killed in the same fashion down there so they thought maybe there's a connection the timeline too it matches it but there he was else, so it doesn't work out. So they get him behind bars. After a search of his property, items were found here that were described, just like in the calls. A small hairbrush was found. Harris Teeter stamps were found.

Keys, an aluminum comb owned by Mrs. Dedmanrs deadman all this shit he kept all of it he kept it all and we'll find out what he did with this shit too because there's some other stuff here um yeah so uh they announced this uh they announced that they've arrested him this is like the day after two days after opal disappeared or the same week opal disappeared so they announced that they've arrested him when they do hundreds of people come to the courthouse of course they do hundreds like half the town comes to stand in front of the courthouse to basically say fucking let's have a gander at this monster basically can we look can we look at frankenstein that's exactly what it is two bits of gander brother

that's what they want they want to catch a glimpse of who's this fucking monster because what's it look like this wasn't normal back then of like now where they everyone knows of serial killers but when i say serial killer you can picture in your brain 20 guys you know exactly who they look like back then that term didn't even exist even still though no matter if i can you know you picture them or not the they never look the same so the new guy you just want to see it anyway yeah you know what's it look like right it's like evil look like it's like seeing the new dodge pickup truck what's it look like this year what's the fucking what's the the demogorgon look like in stranger things this year like what's the fuck what's coming from the the upside down now you know like i gotta see the new one the new model

is crazier than the last one let's see it so they also gather around because they have his black sedan outside also so everyone gathers around the murder car and they want to see him uh headers yeah they get sheriff julian v right who's wrong earlier and he's wrong again because listen to his quote this is 1968 man okay quote we charged him with the murder of the colored girl for the time being oh you bastard that was late. That's too late for that. That's too late for that.

John F. Kennedy went on TV already. No, that's... He talked about there's a civil rights movement is here to stay. I know in 72 when Archie Bunker says it on All in the Family, Meathead tells him that that's not okay to say anymore. So from 68 to 72, I don't think it changed that much. I feel like that's not okay. But that's a Southern sheriff for you, apparently. That is wild.

Yeah, and they said that more charges might come, and they congratulate the, you know, they thank the golf pro for helping leading them there. Yeah, thank the pompous, douchey white man. He's the one that solved this case that's right so uh uh the golf pro said quote my little girl's been sleeping right beside me my wife has been right next to me on the other side and my little boy next to her he said we only live a mile from where jesus christ man what does he say we only live a mile from where the colored

girl was kidnapped and i don't want anything like that to happen to my little girl. Jesus, man. What the fuck? She's a dead teenager. Show her some respect. Unbelievable. Do you even have to? You have to.

Why mention it at all? I only mentioned it for the psychological thing. You don't have to. He could just say the victim. The girl. It's many. The young woman. Right.

The young lady. The girl. You can call her anything. She's 15. Girl. Save your breath. The kid. It's many. It's many. The young woman. Right. The young lady. The girl. You can call her anything. She's 15. Girl. Save your breath. The kid. Anything.

But, God, don't say that. Want to hear something very creepy? No. Well, you're going to hear it. On February 15th, this is- Three days later. This is the day after Opal disappeared. The day before she was found.

She was abducted on Valentine's Day. The the day before valentine's day god damn it the day the 15th nancy reinhardt's family hosts a visitation at their home where they have her laid out young nancy reinhardt got her laid in state they got her laid in an open coffin oh that's what the parlor in your house is for. That used to be where you'd show your dead people. Oh, my God. That was what that was for. So that was a common thing back then. So they didn't all have the fucking Macaulay Culkin funeral home.

That didn't happen all the time. So, yeah, they did that. So it was in the living room, open coffin, and a stranger came. And it was Leroy Martin. He came. He stood next to the coffin with the girl's mother and looked down at her and said, quote, she sure is a pretty girl. I don't see how anyone could have done this to her.

Unreal. To the girl's fucking mother in her house. Unbelievable. This is after he visited her all the time. After he horrible things this is a sick what a monster sick person to do that that's a special kind of sick right there she didn't even know the guy no she didn't know it was just people lots of people came because he was a it was a dead child so tons of people from the churches and from just the townspeople came to pay their respects. They'd bring pies and shit, peaches or whatever the fuck they bring to try to.

Peach rings. Peach rings. That'll make you feel better, especially with THC. And the mother would be like, I don't know. She's all right. So that is maybe the most disgusting thing in the world. I've never heard anything more cold. He was offered a cup of coffee and he accepted and stayed at the house for several hours.

What? Hanging out with everybody, with the family in the living room. Staying near the body. Drinking coffee, staying near the body, talking to her family. Oh, good Lord. Speculating on who could be such a monster and all this type of shit. This fucking guy is evil. Yeah. Fucking evil.

Incarnate. That's fucking's fucking and if he didn't want to get caught he wasn't getting caught yeah this guy could have done this for a long fucking time man i mean let's face it if he doesn't call yeah this would have lingered for yeah forever he was just bored i think how do you do that but have a conscience about a guy staying in prison that's the very fucking interesting part here so now february 27th they search a well staying in prison. That's the very fucking interesting part here. So now February 27th, they search a well. In this well, they said it's past the place

where Opal's body was found, where Buxin, that young lady, was found here. And they stop the car, and it's down a winding street, and they find a well, and they bring the bucket up from the well, and they find all sorts of uh they bring uh the bucket up from the well and they find all sorts of fucking shit in this bucket man just you name it uh just evidence a well of evidence

literally uh basically they find uh an all-weather coat bearing the initials odb not the old dirty bastard her initials are opal god damn diane buxton odb which she's got a cool name i know it's really i know dude it's a fucking jerk couldn't be any sad it was written on the coat with a laundry marker so you know she wouldn't get lost at school uh one of the arms had been removed from it so it'd been torn off probably a fight or something like that. They lowered more shit in and they found they found all sorts of shit, man. And as well, they found a billfold. They found two blankets, one half of a black bra, stockings, a garter belt, a shirt, a slip, a man's undershirt, women's underwear, a brown loafer type shoe a man's shirt like he was just throwing all of his shit down there from the murder he threw his murder clothes down there he threw their stuff

down there everything he did uh fucking tons of stuff and it's all sorts of shit that's identified as stuff that belonged to these victims as well all all of them how did they find this well he told them about it once he's in jail he told him about this fucking well he's like there's a fucking well here um yeah uh that's where that's when they found the poodle later on was there because at first they didn't find the poodle they find the poodle later because that's why the the newspaper guy was like what'd you do with the dog and he's like it's right around there they were just it's a small dog and they were looking for a human body so they weren't really concerned about where the fucking poodle was at that point and they find a 20 year old woman dead it's a little more of an

issue so uh yeah they gathered all this evidence um tons of shit i mean lots of stuff really tying him to it as well it's it's really fucking bad the sheriff here sheriff right said we're doing our investigation of the deadman case now it's our duty to free the innocent if there's someone serving time for a crime they didn't commit. But also on February 28th now. So that's February 27th. Now, on February 28th, after they find all of this wealth of evidence, including several things that belong to Lucille Deadman, like her stamps that he had and all this other shit he killed her there's no fucking doubt about it so on february the 28th uh in the early mornings roger uh is brought roger who's in prison is brought down to the guard quarters of the prison camp why he's like oh

shit he thought he was in trouble he said uh he was very fucking uncomfortable he thought he was going to be punished or something and he said he sat sat there he didn't chat he said he was very fucking uncomfortable. He thought he was going to be punished or something. And he said he sat there. He didn't chat. He said he shat right on the floor. And the guy was like, Jesus, relax. You're not in trouble. We're letting you go. Bro, calm down.

What the fuck is your problem? Clean that up. So, yeah, he sits there. And he said that it was like this. He remembers that the sofa was soft. And he hadn't sat on anything soft in a long time. So he was like it was like this he remembers that the sofa was soft and he hadn't sat on anything soft in a long time he was like well this is weird his ass didn't hurt he was uncomfortable he said because he didn't know how to sit anymore on something soft so uh sat in it for five minutes he's got a backache oh i said jesus so after a few minutes the man here tells

him that there is new new evidence is what he says that indicated that he's actually indeed innocent of the killing of his wife and he's probably going to be set free soon so he said he broke down fucking sobbing right away saying oh my god this is amazing what the fuck um he said it's it's crazy he doesn't know what to do uh he said that the greatest thing of all will be being able to sleep again. He said, I don't get much sleep at night. Maybe now the dreams will stop. He's been having a fucking hell of a time.

He's not a fucking murderer, and he's been put in a fucking chain gang. So, yeah, they actually let him hang out on the sofa for a while longer before they brought him back to his cell. He was like, the sofa's comfortable to hang for a little while they felt fucking awful for him they're like yeah we kind of lay down we kind of fucked you over real bad on it try that shit out yeah it's amazing so uh later on they go to get him again later on that day and uh the cell doors open and he said to the guard is it over and uh and the guy said yeah and he turned to another one he said are you sure it's over like is this real goddamn joke uh yeah and he's gonna be released that day pending the truck because they have to retry him just to clear it off the docks

but he's gonna be released now um he said he fucking cried about his son he talked to he's got a two-year-old son yeah that he hasn't been able to see the kid's mother's dead and he's in prison oh it's fucking horrible and he the kid lives in charlotte with relatives and uh he says quote my son is all i have left now i hope to go back to charlotte and be reunited with my son i hope to make a life in charlotte um at this point so when this happens all the prison staff and all the court people find out about all this and they all hear about it. So when they bring him into court, everybody's like super nice to him and like literally like patting him on the back and saying sorry and wishing him well. And like they're fucking a court full of guilty people there. You know, sure.

Oh, you buddy. Oh, bad. Sorry. I'm sorry. You said you killed your wife. It's not like he just did time for something they said he killed his wife right that's fucked up and like your kid was told that probably and your relatives cops sat up there and said that he you told him that you did it i'm

really so sorry yeah so he is finally released on leap day february 29th uh before he's released but when he's released he's fucked yeah he's got nothing nothing he's got no job he's released. But when he's released, he's fucked. He's got nothing. He's got no job. He's got no home. He doesn't have a dime in the fucking bank. His credit's ruined. Ruined.

The whole thing cost him and his parents about $5,000, which is way fucking more. That's about $40,000 now. It's a good bit. It cost him that, which he can't recover unless the South Carolina legislature passes a special law. But the fucked up part is, while this is going on, this is weird. There's a victim's fund and a crime fund that gives money to victims' families and destitute people that crimes have affected. they give a check for three hundred dollars and three hundred eleven dollars and 41 cents to the family of nancy reinhardt yeah to the family or the family of reinhardt to the family of nancy parish to the fan to the family of opal buxom yeah and then they give 311 dollars and 41

cents to leroy martin's wife because now she's destitute because he's in jail for murder. That's our problem. So they gave her money. And I'm like, and there's a picture in the paper of this guy handing out checks to all these people. And I'm like, if I'm one of these families, I'm like, we'll take her fucking portion. Fuck you. What are you doing?

I know it's not her fault, but for Christ's sake, it's not ours either. If I'm the guy walking out of prison with nothing, can I just get hers? Can I get her $311? I'm the victim here. What the fuck, man? So he's fucked, basically, when it comes to that. He has to have a second trial, which is scheduled for May 20th of that year. Ironically enough, they could have at least made it a different fucking day.

What the fuck? Which this is the day that all charges are expected to be dropped but he also has to raise a thousand dollars for bail to be able to get out to do that if he doesn't have a thousand dollars for bail he has to sit in jail till may 20th oh my god just to do three more months in jail or he has to come up with a thousand dollars so basically his parents and relatives i mean this is a big famous thing that he's been you know exonerated it's somebody's giving it's easy to scrape up a thousand bucks there's plenty of people willing to drop a couple bucks in the hat for that one because i mean jesus christ he didn't do anything he didn't fucking do you gotta feel bad for the guy not only is his wife fucking dead

even if they didn't get along the mother of his son is dead and you know he's got to feel sad about that and then there's three girls too that don't have a mom that's four goddamn kids that's crazy the mess and it gets even weirder for him yeah as the as uh roger deadman's sister said that she believes this is in the paper while he's still in jail that lucille deadman's mother and father and sister are going to oppose his release from prison because they don't want him to take Roger Jr. away from them. So they're going to oppose his release from prison, even though he did nothing. Yeah, this is. Why would they do that?

She said that the in-laws were told at Lucille Deadman's funeral by Roger Deadman that they could keep the baby until he came home. So they told her, like, well, he said we could keep the baby until he came home so they told her like well he said we could keep the baby till he comes home so basically if he's in jail he's our that's our baby um yeah so uh it's fucking crazy his sister said quote they know he will be coming home soon and they don't want him to take the baby away from them it's his baby christ almighty it's all he's got left right it's all literally all his fucking guys got left. Give him his baby back. The only goddamn thing. We're keeping it.

Right. What the, what kind of an asshole? Can you imagine that shit? Yeah, but it's their daughter's kid too. You know what I mean? So they feel that shit. I know you've been through some stuff here. We get it.

You're a mess. We're not. We'll hang on to him. Listen, you go out, you can put your life back together. You can go out and party. No, he wants the deal there. So Leroy Martin is with the police, and he makes conflicting fucking statements and left and right. First, he's like, yeah, it's not me.

And then he's like, all right, it's me. I don't know. Sure it is. Why not? No, it's not. He keeps going back and forth. They're like, this guy's an asshole. This guy's a fucking asshole.

Someone get a phone book out. We're're like, this guy's an asshole. This guy's a fucking asshole. Someone get a phone book out. We're going to work this guy over, man. Just get Gibbons in to make a phone call to him and find out if that's the voice. Jesus Christ. Well, yeah, he said that he called this just displaying what he called, quote, his own special character. That's him being an asshole and denying it and then admitting it. He said that he felt he is, quote, a dual person. Keep in mind, this is 1968.

Sybil hasn't even come out yet. Yeah. So this is fucking like nobody knows. Multiple personality is not a known thing for people. They do not know shit about it. He told police that he could remember standing on a hill, looking down in the valley and watching himself commit the crimes and then he just shrugged and said i'm psycho yeah what do you want basically the fuck you want for

me we think so one dog's going one way the other dog's going the other way this guy's saying what do you want from me oh boy and say that's that's what he's got going here so his mother mrs daisy martin she said that uh she told her son she was told by her son that he was, quote, two people. That's what her son was telling her for the last few years, that he's two people. And he can't control it. He's two people. He's got different sides of him. Yeah.

And he also told his mother that he's pretty positive that he's going to be killed in prison if he's sent to prison here. Just based on what he did, he's not going to be a real popular guy. No, nobody's going to like me. He raped two teenagers and killed them. And then two adults, too. But two dead teenage girls. The babies. You're getting fucking.

And there's some retribution for that. And it's not like if there's race wars in prison already at this point, because I don't know. I was in the 60s before. Yeah. Depends on the state. Every state's so different. Just saying both races blacks

and whites are gonna be he's dead either way yeah no he's dead either he's fucked either way no one of each you're a real no one's liking you at that point not that that too is the other thing so he uh he probably even get white people mad at him because he fucking i don't know he included a black girl in the same thing that he did with white girl you didn't segregate her god damn it you know who knows i'm sure what the hell people get mad at him for down there so uh the sheriff at this point uh sheriff ernest harrington in the other county he's at then uh at the time chief deputy to sheriff julian b right uh he says that uh he is the best one he tells the newspaper he can testify to the change which comes over Martin. He says he's seen it.

He says after Martin had been persuaded, they said, show us how you place the belt around the necks of the people. Show us what you did. They wanted to fucking wanted him to do it. So they said, show us what you did. Harrington, who's the fucking chief deputy, he volunteered to be the victim. He says, quote, even though Martin was in custody and he's in a room full of officers, he had to shove him off of him from strangling him. He said he just started fucking strangling him.

Get the doll, you dummy. Yeah. What are you doing? Well, it's the same thing they did with Marty, where they said, show us what you did. Yeah, but don't. Don't give him the opportunity. But this guy, normally they wouldn't fucking do that because you're in a room full of cops. I'll beat the shit out of you at that point.

But he said he did it. He says, quote, he had a strange look in his eyes. So he was like, this is fucking crazy. He said, after being broken from the hold and get the belt off his neck, he said, all of a sudden, the guy went from this crazed look to he stopped and ran and threw himself down and sobbed and apologized and said he didn't know what came over him he's like what the fuck this guy

is fucked he was gonna do it he was trying to kill the guy in the fucking thing he was like oh I love doing this he said a strange look came over his eyes cause this is his thing that he does this is his thing you know what I mean whatever you're into that's what he's into whatever you see that you're like yeah my dick's hard that's what gets him going 57 chevy that's

it right there people uh yeah it's fucking nuts so uh he said that you know he uh he also said that he's glad the officer pushed him away he's very sorry he obviously didn't want to murder the officer i don't know what i was doing blah blah blah asshole so uh now may of 68 like i said they need to try this fucking retry this deadman guy to drop the charges poor roger he's finally released uh after the charges are formally dropped and he's absolutely done and he moves to charlotte to live with his parents and his family and his and his uh young son so september 1968 is martin's trial oh leroy martin here no cameras or broadcasting equipment were allowed in there at all just i don't know why but they weren't uh now leroy in this particular case they're gonna try they're trying opal diane buxom and uh lucille deadman first they try him

they try those cases first he he these trial begins and he decides right away he wants to plead guilty so he decides he's going to plead guilty and he's sentenced to life in prison on each count here as we'll talk about they give him uh we'll get on to that later. But during it, before the sentencing, he had to he had to show basically and talk about how he killed Lucille Deadman and strangled her. He talked about how he did it with a plated wire. It wasn't the belt for that one. It was a different one. He said, quote, I've been trying to forget a lot of that. He said, I've got a job and i'm making a little money but the

job is not the best one i could have gotten if all this hadn't happened i've got a year and a half of college business college i was waking up in a i was waking while working myself up in a plant when this happened um he said so he's trying to act like he he did fine uh yeah so the judge says you sir may fuck off two life sentences consecutive. Good. That's important. Yeah, that's great. That's to start with here.

Yeah. Now, during this, though, because he was up for the death penalty. The weird thing is, during this, basically, the jury basically said that the jury made a recommendation of mercy. The jury foreman announced a recommendation of mercy, which they used to do back then. And at least one member of the jury told the press afterwards that they were not asked about the mercy recommendation, didn't agree to it, and don't agree with it. Didn't agree to it and don't agree with it. We didn't know we were given in that. Yeah, that was something that was worked out without their fucking knowledge.

So somehow the jury foreman took it upon himself to basically save this guy's life and say that they wanted mercy. So it's at this point also that Roger decides he's going to file a little lawsuit against the county. Because, yeah, what do you think here? Civil lawsuit against the prosecutor and the sheriff who starred at the trial basically mr be wrong the yeah the people who said he confessed and gave a detailed fucking account of his confession without any proof of it he's suing the fuck out of that i'm glad which he oh i hope he gets a shitload of money so uh yeah no written get the fuck out of here. You have no shit written down. Nothing. Fuck off.

Write stuff down. Always. So May 1969 here. This is May 20th, 69. Leroy Martin at this point waives his right to trial for the murders of Nancy Christine Reinhart and Nancy Carol Paris at this point. These are the other two. He described to the courts what he did to these people jesus christ jimmy it's so fucking awful it's so fucking awful man he tortured these girls he took them he fucking talked to them he kept them for different amounts of time he uh had his way with them he assaulted them he fucking would tell them he's gonna let him go and then you know

obviously he's not he would fuck with their heads he uh then eventually he'd strangle them and leave them just nude out when he was done with them like garbage throw him out there and it was it's just fucking disturbing man to hear all the shit he did here and in the detail too that he has to give for the court uh he's found guilty on all three counts here, on all the counts here. He is sentenced again. You, sir, may again fuck off. Two more life sentences also consecutive. So he's got four.

He's got four stacked back to back to back to back at this point. But the way the laws are, he can still get out. What? The laws are you serve. It's not without parole. So you serve a certain. Yeah. So you can get out here. So are you your serval it's not without parole so you serve a certain yeah so you can get out here uh so he's given life sentences now once he's in prison he uh he sends a letter to uh to his uh to uh uh the editor here he says oh my god this poor oh this guy's like i'm

still hearing from gibbons but gibbons is getting good stories i I mean, Jesus Christ. He's winning the Pulitzer Prize. We're talking about him 50 years later, and nobody else from that era is getting talked about. So, yeah, he says in the letter that he, quote, would have to sleep with one eye open because, quote, everybody down here is after me when he's talking about jail. No shit. Oh, he has to. Not Gibbons. No, no, yeah, no.

He has to in jail. He said he has to sleep with one eye open because everybody's after him. Oh, no, yeah, no. He has to in jail. He said he has to sleep with one eye open because everybody's after him. He also told Bill Gibbons that he was, quote, sorry if I caused you or your family any trouble. Okay.

I haven't slept a wink since that night. I just felt terribly guilty about that here. And now the prison warden here said Martin was kept in a, basically by himself in 1967 and 1968. Because they don't know what the fuck is up with this guy they just know they just know he's the worst guy in the prison basically he's like their hannibal lector so they don't know like how to deal with them they don't know if they if they will he just start going batshit if they put him in with other people he starts just shanking people left and right or ask him what do you eat sir or will he be like quiet like kind of go about his business

do you eat and poop and all that stuff? Do you do that too? Is that you? Shit, you wear clothes and eat and poop. Can you use the toilet? Is that possible? You know how y'all wiping everything? Oh, wow.

All right. I didn't think y'all would. I think you just leave it. Do both your personalities use the toilet? Running on down your leg. And both your personalities eat, right? Oh, Jesus Christ. We got to feed them both?

He's only getting one of his personalities whichever one's not an asshole somebody said that shit to him only one of your personalities is getting fed today asshole so have both your personalities share this ration yeah so he's released in 68 to the prison yard of the general population uh the warden said that he turns out that he was more of a loner than a troublemaker. So that's what they found out after a while. They're like, oh, he's not going to go crazy. He's going to sit by himself. He's a weirdo.

He's a fucking weirdo. Yeah, he's not. He's not some psycho that wants to go around causing fights with men. He's going to fight a grown man. He steals 14 year olds and puts them in the trunk. That means he's dickless and wouldn't fight a grown man. So that's what that means for you. He rapes them, and that's what makes him feel good.

He murders them so he doesn't get caught. Exactly. Murder is not the motivation. He's a pussy. Right. He's a pussy. He's a worthless scumbag. And none of these things happen to guys.

Right. You don't hear, like, he tried to attack and murder a 6'3", 220-pound fucking Hell's Angel. You didn't hear that, did you? No, because he wouldn't do that. He found a defenseless fucking 14-year-old with her school books. Right. Wasn't expecting it, you know? Jesus Christ.

Well, Dave Chappelle says, you will never hear about that man because that 6'3 man will never tell anybody. No! No shit. We have pride, and we don't want anybody to know fuck man so the warden also says quote he was cut by another prisoner in 1969 but it wasn't martin's fault and he was fine he recovered from it and he was just doing dandy and then finally june 1, 1972, an inmate here.

It is. What's his name? Kenneth Marshall Rumsey, who's 30 years old of Pickens, South Carolina, stabs the shit out of Leroy Martin. Yeah. Stabs him up. Good. It occurred in Martin's cell and cell block block three during an activity period at the prison. They both lived in the same cell block where Martin worked as a janitor.

Apparently, this guy came up, stabbed him in the back, and then stabbed him repeatedly in the chest and fucking walked away, left him dead, bleeding to death on the floor, and Leroy Martin died on the floor of cell block three from fucking shank wounds bleeding out. Got both of them with the stabs.

Yep, got them all personalities boom and boom one for the front one for the fucking back chief it's amazing both of you died this way interesting about 550 you dead too you both dead so it's about 5 15 p.m he's charged with murder rumsy uh he's given an extra 20 years he's already serving life so he doesn't give two fucks yeah he didn't care and they asked him about it and they said you know what the fuck basically why'd you do it and he was like well everybody hated him and he was a fucking scumbag and for what he did and then he said quote he bragged that he'd be out in 20 years and that he'd rape the day he got out he said so we all decided he's gotta fucking fucking die. And I said, I don't give a fuck. I'll do it. So guess what?

Shanky, shanky, shanky. And dude went down. That's awesome. I'm not. I'm OK with this. I wasn't getting out anyway. I just robbed a bank. Fuck it.

That man killed four people. He is going to get out the shit out of this guy. That system's whether he'd be out in 20 years or not. It's debatable. But he kept saying, I'll be out in 20 years and I'm going to rape the day I get out. They can't hold me. And they were like, we should probably just probably just stab him right can't but we can't i got a daughter you know what i mean you too somebody can get raped on the day out let's fucking kill this guy so i do like that they were like no no we're not letting him the fuck out of here now uh another weird thing that happened in this whole deal, there's got to be a curse connected with this case because it's really strange.

Mrs. Julia Reinhart, who is Nancy's mother, she says that she says the death of Leroy Martin obviously is OK with her. It doesn't kill her memories. It's all OK because they asked the parents about this mrs martha buxon who is opal's mother uh she said that uh she was awfully bitter at first about this she says quote but taking a life for a life has never solved anything so that's good uh she also said some friends called me and told me martin had been killed but that don't help me none it don't bring back my girl it's true no shit that's. That's what I mean. That's what I always had out of it. My bill's still got to get paid this month. Well, it doesn't help.

There's no closure. It doesn't do anything. Yeah, my great-grandmother got murdered. They caught the lady, and we all went, so what? What the fuck does that do for us? Literally, they were like, oh, she got this many years. We were like, a big shoulder shrug, because it was like, that doesn't help us any. I guess, I hope that they don't do that to somebody else.

But literally, it made nobody feel better and none of us cared. Like, nobody gave a shit about retribution. We just didn't care about that. That part, we cared about the part that died. And then the rest of it was somebody, that was fucking the state of Florida's problem to deal with this shit. Like, we just were, you you just say i don't know whenever people are vengeful i i don't get the emotion because i get i get why intellectually but i it didn't happen for me and like my family we took it the other way and we were just like well i don't care i never want to hear that person's

name again i just want to remember my relative so i don't know everybody has a different reaction to it though but i this ladies is how i feel i'm pretty jacked about him being dead but i want him to be dead no no dead but sentenced and shit like that who cares like that does this you go yeah fuck that guy but like i don't care if oh they arrested him and put him in jail big deal what does that do i can't doesn't help me any so uh uh Opal's sister said that she is. She was, quote, really worried that Martin died the way he did. She wanted him to have to live with the thought of those he killed, which is not OK, because that's what he's into. He jerks off to that.

That's so he sat in one of the victims living room. Yeah. Thriving on. He didn't sit there feeling guilty about it. That's the thing. Yeah. They think of that like a normal person. You'd sit and feel guilty. feeling guilty about it. That's the thing. He loves that. They think of that like a normal person. You'd sit and feel guilty, but he sat there

reveling in it. That's his favorite. In front of that family. He can't wait to do it again. Oh, if you're that girl's fucking parents, how do you not try to find a way to fucking I would try to get put in prison so I could rip his fucking head off. Not for killing my daughter, for then coming to the house afterwards and doing that. I'd be like, I will

tear his head from his shoulders and play basketball with him. I'm not fucking around. You'd assume that there's some sort of money or paper trail back to the guy that murdered him from a victim's family, right? Because I certainly would try to do my best to do some research on the hardest son of a bitch that's in the area and buy him a shitload of ramen noodles. Go ahead. I will buy you all of them, sir. Fuck, man. I'll clean that canteen out. area yeah and uh buy him a shitload of ramen noodles go ahead yeah all you chief sir it's fuck man i'll clean that canteen out now back to the cool name monroe paris they talk to monroe paris and he says something cool of course because he's monroe paris nine ball games well in between

nine ball games and blow jobs he says something very cool he puts down the pool cue and taps this come on honey hold on a minute taps around the back of the head and he goes i'm being interviewed i gotta tell you the men are talking hold on a minute it's the it's 1972 so stirring a rock yeah stirring a rock's glass holding the pool cue in one hand so uh takes the ashtray off of her head and puts it to the side puts the cigarette out jesus christ well i picture him like that 70s like with a big mustache and a hairy chest like not cool like cool but 70s cool taps her on the ass as she walks away that's right and she winks back at him i'll be right back sir yeah so uh monroe here uh he said

that on the day of martin's capture he really hoped that that Martin would survive in prison, quote, so I could get a crack at him. He wanted a piece of Martin. What's he going to do? Something. Monroe'd go undercover and just dress as a prisoner and get past the guards. I feel like Monroe's like, I can wait 20 years. Why?

Cool. That's why. I will stand by the gate and wait. I'll be playing pool and getting blowjobs from here to then. Can I set up a pool table right next to the exit door of the prison and just wait? Just driving my sweet van all around the countryside, talking to beautiful ladies, playing games of billiards, solving crimes. You know how it goes.

He doesn't call it pool. It's all billiards. Billiards. Finding missing children. You know how I be. He says shit like, I'm going down to play billiards and have cocktails oh yeah he says cocktails a lot i'm having some cocktails why it's martini hour he's got a big mustache and he's got a a fucking van with a giant pegasus painted on the

side you know it is like a big space pegasus with like stars and shit i've never met somebody that calls drinks cocktails that isn't the coolest person that's monroe's calling for who wants cocktails you guys want to have some cocktails what yes i do now the fucked up part is though that monroe paris ended up dying in an automobile accident before martin was killed oh no so he didn't get to see that he didn't get to know no he died in a car accident in 1971 driving real fast so getting road head to getting right it's like oh jesus the van went off the road well it's hard to have an orgy while you drive that's the thing he's fingering somebody he's getting a blood job he's got like he's rubbing his hand on somebody else he's got the just got his wheels with his elbows he can't fucking drive like a billiard table one knee you know that's the other like he's rubbing his hand on somebody else. He's just got his wheels with his elbows.

He can't fucking drive like one knee. You know, that's the other thing. He's eight ball in the corner pocket there while he's got his eyes on the road and his finger. It's not a good thing. I'll let somebody make him a cocktail. It's too much. It's to make me a cocktail. You fucking bums.

Let's go. God damn it, Monroe's cool. I'm growing out my mustache. I don't have time to make cocktails. So, yeah. And'm growing out my mustache. I don't have time to make cocktails. Poor bastard. And another man here is interesting. An agent who helped lead the investigation and helped capture Leroy Martin, Agent C.L. McKinnon.

He died in a fishing boat accident. Oh, my God. And then also Kenneth Rumsey, the man who murdered him up who murdered leroy martin on april 11th 1977 he attended his regular psychiatric evaluation that afternoon he had like a regular psych check-in at about 2 30 then about 4 30 his body was discovered hanging from a cell bar by his pants he used his pants to hang himself damn it so now he's dead too rumsy it gets weirder jimmy gets fucking weirder yeah okay as you thought that was just the only thing that was cursed right no okay now after they're done with the martin case they have his black

1957 chevy yeah so they still have that it is apparently repossessed and sold at auction for 150 dollars to a deal yeah it's a broken down 57 chevy and it's 1972 they didn't look at those cars as hot shit yeah they didn't know they didn't know they'd be collector's items so the car uh he sells 150 dollars to a guy named tinsy bachelor is his name okay uh the car becomes a weird tourist attraction people fucking come to stare at it i hate because it's like it's like on the simpsons where they're like hitler's death car it's like some weird thing that you look at it's this murder car it's bundy's bug bundy's bug they look at fucking bonnie and clyde's car they had that forever people it's weird it's two things americans love murder and cars and you fucking mix it together

it's a murder car people are like oh my god i don't know why but my dick's in my hand i never once thought about it but i'm a stroking i drive he drives he drove that i can't i want to kill people the same oh jesus christ i want to kill all sorts of people. He did it. I drive. This is a dream come true. He drove cars. I can relate. Stop diddling yourself, honey. I know. I put my dick away. You can stop.

Stop strumming for one minute. Okay? Just one second. We're going to look around the car, and then we'll get it on afterwards. So, yeah, he says, quote, I had girls coming by. This is Tensey Binsley Bachelor about the car. I had girls coming by all hours of the day and night wanting to take a ride in, quote, the Strangler's car. What the shit? That's the other thing.

Certain women have a weird attraction to that. No, it's the women who sent Ted Bundy letters in jail. And it's a certain I'm not saying it's not a big Senate ted bundy letters in jail and it's a certain i would i'm not saying it's not a big senate but there's a small percentage but the answer is they like to be scared and feel yeah uh they wanted to take a ride in the strangler's car no this and it gets creepier uh it was a big deal i'd always take them to the lover's lane off the chain gang road where he killed the Reinhardt girl or to the bridge where he threw Mrs. Paris's body off. He takes them on a fucking murder tour.

He's a monster. That's disgusting. That is not in the car. He did it. That's the thing. I get to see him. We went to OJ's house. I get it.

I know that's not a murder scene, but we went by Bundy, too. We know by the Aurora Theater. I went to the John Bonnet house. I went to the lakes. Yeah. I've done's not a murder scene, but we went by Bundy, too. We know. I went through by the Aurora Theater. I went to the JonBenet house. I went to- Lionel Lakes. Yeah. You've been there. Yeah.

I've done all kind of shit like that, but I didn't go search out the fucking vehicle. It's the full experience. It's everything but being raped and murdered. Gross. It's disgusting. So, yeah. He said, want to hear it get creepier? Oh, my God.

Jimmy. Oh, what did he do in that car with these girls? I turned the motor off, and we'd just sit what did he do in that car with these girls i turned the motor off and we just sit there in the dark in that car with the girls it just got too weird got too weird it started the point when you guys got into the car and said yay let's go on a strangler tour that's when it got weird that's when it got weird excuse me i could see is that the strangler that's when it got weird excuse me i could see is that the strangling that's not that weird can you take me where he murdered people in that car and sit in the dark no go go make up with your father yeah where's your dad where's your dad jesus he said no guys too this is the other thing

just women when things were if it's a guy that's a real creep and you don't even let him in don't let him he's gonna you't going to make it back. He's going to jerk off off that bridge. So he says, quote, when things were real dark and real quiet, and we were all sitting there in that car at one of those sites, something strange happened every time. The girl sitting in the back would start screaming and want to get out of the car. I had a terrible time with some of them, just getting them to stay in the car until I could drive them back home. No, don't scream. You're not allowed out of the murder car.

What? Okay. Let them out. Let them out, you creep. You're now the creep. Everything's fine. Just stay in the backseat of the murder car and stare at where a young woman was strangled and dumped okay it's fine 14 year old in the trunk sit still oh do you want to hear what things they said from the backseat no this is what they continually heard

from the backseat they all said they could hear the screams of female voices crying and moaning in the trunk why would you which is where he put these women the fuck so yeah it's this is creepy as fuck burn it well yeah bachelor ends up after a couple months of this he said it was just too fucking weird and he couldn't do it anymore and he's like this thing is weird i gotta get rid of this fucking car it's creepy i feel like it's haunted i don't want any part of it so he sells the car to a guy who restored it to 19 because this is like 73 so he's restores it to beautiful 1957 fucking perfection right pristine condition gets it never drove it just hooked it up made it all you know put it up on the thing show car the first time he took the car out the

first time less than a mile from his house he veered off the road hit a tree and died oh my god yeah and the cars totaled so it took him too took him and then and it took the car and the car is dead finally it said finally like fuck it i'm going off the road they said there was no other thing it was a weird mysteriously veered off the road one car accident somebody didn't put it back together no No weather. One car accident. Wild. Bashed into a tree. Now, yeah.

So they asked Roger fucking Deadman, why do you think, why did he do this? Basically, why did he, he didn't have to say that he killed your wife. You could be in prison forever. What the, why do you think he fucking did that for you? And he said, said quote it's strange i'd say so that's really the most it's a good start the best most fucking relevant thing that's been said this whole episode quote it's strange he didn't care anything about human life and yet he was worried about mine it doesn't make sense i guess we'll never know why he's confused he's

confused that's it that's what we think he is that's he's confused. He's confused. That's it. That's what we think he is. He's confused, I guess. So these women here, it was Annie Lucille Dedman, who was 33, Opal Diane Buxton, 15, Nancy Christine Reinhardt, 14, and Nancy Paris, 20. Dedman is buried in Union County at the Spindale Cemetery. Nancy Christine Reinhardt is at the Frederick Memorial Gardens in Gaffney, South Carolina. Also, Nancy Carol Paris is also in the same place. And then Opal Diane Buxton is buried in Mount Sinai Missionary Baptist Church in Cherokee County, South Carolina.

And one more weird thing about this case, if it could be any fucking weirder there's a guy who sues people yeah like sues like the president and like famous people actors and shit he sues this is amazing he sued his mother for having an quote evil twin yeah and the judge dismissed the case saying this is uh one of many lawsuits he's brought against many separate different people about not against them but a lawsuit against this person's quote evil twin so that's what he would sue uh and this guy's name is quentin little john uh that does these lawsuits and quinn m little john and in 2011 he sued to have this case reinvestigated and reopened to add other defendants to it. What? Because he said there was more people involved.

Yeah. In his mind, it was a whole. There's all these people and they're evil twins. Yeah. It was a whole bunch of evil twins. That's what it was. It's literally what he said. A whole bunch of evil twins.

And it was a whole cabal of like murder people that they used him to get away. The guy was like, no. The judge said, judge said fuck out of my courtroom not gay so what a fucking wild story that was it and that is it everybody that is gaffney south carolina and that is what's known as the gaffney strangler to this day he's known as the gaffney strangler they're very heard of him their very own serial killer down there in Gaffney. Jesus. Yeah, that's one of those stories when I found that I just kept reading it and my jaw kept dropping more and more and more. And I'm like, is this real? It's real. It's baffling because he had a conscience in some portion of it.

One of his personalities had a conscience. That's what I mean. One of his personalities had a conscience. One of them didn't. One of them was this. one of his personalities had a conscience one of them didn't one of them was this one of them like black chicks one of them like this one of them was like racist one of them wasn't one of them was fucking you know one of them liked spaghetti the other one didn't it's like one likes steak the other like hamburger the other likes hamburgers peach rings one likes actual peaches and everybody likes everybody likes thc gummies so that's the case though that is the case of uh leroy martin and poor roger deadman and even worse those poor young girls that are all

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hey i think matt and gail richards ne Neil Cooper. Brian with no last name. Rebecca Spears. Haley Geisman. No. Ruby Rivera. Ark. Rick. Mick Alpine. Michael Skruk. Stephanie Bobby. Allison Shearing. Josh McGrew.

Lisa Maria Cirelli. Tyler Sheldon. Don Becker. Jess with no last name, Dana Roberts, Sasha Trapko, Dave Tantus Hall, damn it, Kenara with no last name, Ainsley is 32 but doesn't look it, I'm told. Happy birthday. Happy birthday. Kaylee Martin, Roxanne Spaziano, happy birthday happy uh kaylee martin roxanne spaziano uh spaziano happy birthday and that's from giano de luca there you go anna would know last name harry jules gross michael gores hang in there uh michael uh jesus what did i do there oh i tried

to make that one name uh maticus heidi would know last name bill Bill Scott, MJ, Jeremy Gordon, Kara Hyman, Derek Riesbeck, Subaru ASE Tech. That's somebody that's certified, man. Yeah, I think. Damn it. Amanda Hendricks, Jennifer Prater, Lori Taylor, Wyatt H., Sam Anderson, Andrew Hertig, Thomas Blair, Jessica Bautista, Ashley Furman, Sophie LaPlaine, Dave Thornton, David Thornton, Rebecca Peet, Maddie Weissman,

Tyler Schlepp, or Schleep, Jessica Widmer, Josh and Jen Hust, Eric Hack Barty, I think. God damn it. Kendall Hanson, Elvia Castaneda, Francis Wright Olson, Laura Stickney, Amy Kyler, Chantrell Meyer, Debbie Salmi, Bobby Sons, Katherine Henderson, Jeremy Gordon, Jenica, I think. That can't be right. Martin, Natalie C., Ben Williams, Al Entrigam, and Tringham.

Haley Bennett, Jackie with no last name, Eric Schaus, Kevin Lutz Jr., Seth Collins, Scott W., Katie Grabham, Shandy Schneider, Lillian Shupp, Ray Boyes, Christy Durham, Nicole with no last name, Mary Keenan Brown, Lindsay Stuckless, Amy Mathis. Yes. Donald Lebeau, Elizabeth Mitchell, Samantha Roy, Stephen Barella. Yeah. Keith Ross, Victoria Miller, Stevie Ryder, a reader, Samantha Thompson, Rebecca Ness, June Fear, Fear, Fire. God damn it. Michael Sutherland, Amanda Clocky, ulysses adam urania uh marlene

cole jessica boyer margie stevens mo titus angela catricks uh keith reeves duana washington macy with no last name jordan brook sherry monday carly g eric rodriguez jan dimes casey ian sorry Jan Dimes Casey. Ian. Sorry. There you go. Lauren Malone. Nicholas Charles. Katie Isbell. Lindsay Pereira. God damn it. Melissa Scott.

Marissa Scott. Michael Faherty. Tom Bonima. Jamie with no last name. Sal with no last name. Dana Sparks. Melissa with no last name. Austin Sellers.

Michelle with no last name. Heather Hall. Blair Romis. Mary Beth Lally. Michelle with no last name. Sal with no last name. Dana Sparks. Melissa with no last name. Austin Sellers. Michelle with no last name. Heather Hall. Blair Romis. Mary Beth Lally. Michelle with no last name. Deja. Deja. Markton.

Graham Lee. Echi. Echi. Angel. Angel. Brandon with no last name. Melissa. Henry.

Josh with no last name. Christy Puko. Sammy Lipkowski. Lipkowitz. That's not even close heidi schmillen samantha stafford melissa ramella uh amy levec uh luke luke miller ulysses portillo uh stacy's stepson alex turned 15 happy birthday hey happy birthday melissa westgard uh adriana tomasiya thomas Adriana Tomasian, Stephanie Simon, Eric Granato, Chase Prather, Brandon Jones, Hannah Suckert, Greg Gottlieb, Dylan LaValle, Shay would know.

That's my favorite of the day. It's not wrong. I enjoy that. Ashley Durbin, Rachel would know the name tate uh tony patrick beth young connor panton jill hubbard alexandria gilmore uh alexandra barbara carr kelly would know last name erin lynn reed uh jessica tupin tup trapping rapping raping i don't know what i wrote there and I'm Dapin Pappin Dan Lynch Stephen Curry Kasia Garcia

Jess Cam Lena Sears Richard Berman Sarah Icho Stacey Chaney Linda Lesterson Hunter Thompson That's a real name

I don't know if his middle name's stephen or some shit stephanie maybe sorry something s uh karen elmore um michael or mikhail neil john wogenar amy hansford jm cgb uh jennifer walker jessica baldwin lex swanson christopher tobish uh whitney with no last name joseph martin uh elizabeth zingarelli yep joe herbert uh schmoop mcdote mcdoodle wrote a great email thank you bridget fox jake davis andrew mcdonald danita or is that danita haley i don't know what i wrote i apologize jack becker rob with no last name brian paul brie s joe judd spade Spade, Morgan Bartolome, Jason Rogers, Ricky Lee Roselle, Maggie Williams, Andrew Hunt, Brendan with no last name, Jessica Lucas, Grace Holtkamp, Trina with no last name, Jessica Barfield, Ryan Con conrad trevor dickie hope hoopla hopi hoopla

uh jeff mahoney tara buckwalter and witten meyer eva or ava don sick sickles i don't think that's right uh jenny jenny jones i hope okay especially with the scared straight references this week really justin clark joseph creeter uh alan fallon christian mccall grace holt camp i said that Justin Clark, Joseph Kreider, Alan Fallon, Christian McCall, Grace Holtkamp. I said that, Justin Clark. James Newman, Audrey Cantrell. Damn it. Carolyn Favan. Nice email.

Thank you very much. Jeff Buchholz, Rebecca Marie, Ashley Veo, Stephen Greger, Jorge Vega, Anthony with no last name, Logan Melville, Jeremy Green, Liz Vasquez, Lindsay Miller, Pierce Andrews, Pauline Walton, Susanna Platt, Beth Charlton, Zach Tuttle, Aaron Otto, Paige Christine, Holtz Norenberg. Holy fuck. Peyton Meadows, Sarah Hunt. That's an actual real person, by the way. That's interesting. Dylan LaValle, Rebecca Bookout, Taylor Kratky, Renee with no last name, James martyr becky toey vonan no bdt projects hurts so

good i'm not sure what that means uh taylor champion gart fartington i don't think that's a real name uh will hurts so good as a better chance of it being a real name you're probably right will kirkpatrick maria maria i don't think that's a real name. Jennifer Visconti. Alex S. Margaret with no last name. Jess Kopp. Jennifer Hay. Andrew Parks. Don Peterson. Kaylin Edwards.

Candice Ganilka. No. One of those letters is silent. Kyle with no last name. Kira Gochall. Stacey Ingram. Melissa Glidewell. Brianna Mattingly.

Kay Schmer. Megan with no last name uh bill metty or matey joshua sanders jamie brown jessica talbot uh tom hamilton katie owens lindsey hardy charles buchet uh janice hill sin with no last name mariah mariah knight bob bu bu pray bu pre bu pre paul navarro michael kelso liz leatherland uh britney scherzer red gingerson probably not a real name uh katherine cantieri deborah mcconey allison morris steven otey the second uh james hart haber paul bilne god damn it stacy with no last name chris clark brett stoker rob dennison his badass wife abby crystal walker uh

home stretch like nine left john hey old dick minge uh jill locan heather murphy and uh adam udaini demetrius freeze uh darren mehall mark lighter carl kirschner shelly roberts rebecca bath jude kendall sarah minto mark burrows such and vats that's a sucks and fuck what's the suck Ellie Roberts, Rebecca Bath, Jude Kendall, Sarah Minto, Mark Burrows, Sachin Vats. That's a tough one. Sucks and fuck? What? Suck and butts? No, it's Sachin Vats. Oh.

It's a tough one, right? I heard suck and fuck, and you heard suck and butt, and then it's neither of them. We're sorry about that, Sachin Vats. Sachin's a fantastic person. Cameron Skinner, happy birthday, and all of our Patreon supporters, you're fucking amazing. Thank you so much, everybody. Honestly, Jesus, you guys are the best. It really is amazing.

We really appreciate everything you guys do for us. Honestly, we cannot do the show without you because you keep this going. And you make it so we don't have to try to go fucking risk our lives, or not risk our lives, but basically go out there and do fucking stand-up for 10% of a room or 20% of a room or whatever people are let into.

And not, it just, it's a miserable time to be a comedian. You guys are making it tough as shit. Yeah. You guys are making it an okay time to be a comedian. You guys are making it just fine for us. And,

uh, you're making it fun. We can't thank you guys enough for doing that for us, giving us a lifeline here. We, we love you to fucking death. Jimmy, what if they wanted to tell you something nice mean or in between how could they get ahold

of you at wisman sucks w-h-i-s-m-a-n sucks that's what it is where can they find you find me at jimmy p is funny or just cop you know how to fucking you know you know how to find names you know how to find people by now don't you you can jesus christ you can find a lot of things you can find horrifying it's a lot yeah you want to find something just look up crystalia trending stories and just read read some shit on that very easy to find yeah that's that's that's your weekend homework enjoy all of that it's gonna take a weekend to get through that's what i'm saying but until then everybody and until next week it's gonna take a weekend to get through it that's what i'm saying but until then everybody and until next week it's been our pleasure

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