Small Town Murder - #177 - Sex, Deception, Death... And A Pig in Verdigre, Nebraska

Episode Date: June 25, 2020

This week, in Verdigre, Nebraska, a rural farm is the setting for a tale that seems simple enough, until you begin to unravel the layers. This story has it all, sex, lies, murder... and a pig, named Arthur. In the end, one person is dead, and one person has quite the story to tell. Will her own written words be her downfall? As this case unfolds, we're left with more questions, than answers, but the most pressing question is, why?? Along the way, we find out what a kolach is & why it sounds delicious, that farms are their own sovereign nation, and that when you're constructing a murder plot, you shouldn't write notes to everyone, contradicting your story!! Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman New episodes every Thursday! Donate at: patreon.com/crimeinsports or go to paypal.com & use our email: [e-mail] Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder & Crime In Sports! Follow us on... twitter.com/@murdersmall facebook.com/smalltownpod instagram.com/smalltownmurder Also, check out James & Jimmie's other show, Crime In Sports! On iTunes, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts# See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Let's go. We're going from South Carolina to Nebraska. Oh. Oh, boy. Jesus. Jimmy's like, oh. I was excited. I saw his mental Rolodex spinning, looking for like, where is that again?

Oh, yeah, right in the middle. Okay. Is it near Kansas? Oh, yeah. Is it above it? It's above Kansas, below South Dakota. Got it. Wedged in there next to iowa and

everything so uh we are in uh vertigre uh vertigree i'm sorry vertigree nebraska that's weird it's it's a weird little town it's super it's in northeastern nebraska it's right near the south dakota border and that's the only thing it's near because there is nothing near this town awesome you look at it like on the google map it's near because there is nothing near this town. Awesome. When you look at it like on the Google map, it's like this town and nothing. There's another town like way like sort of near it. And it's even smaller than this one. It's just these little specks of like a little road with like a feed shop and a bunch of farms on the outside. It's like South Utah.

It's so weird. Yeah, it's a very weird thing. Just middle of nowhere. It's about three hours to omaha if you want to go there for some reason not much to look at but about an hour 45 to sioux city iowa if you want to really party down i guess over there and three hours and 20 minutes down to guide rock nebraska episode 128 which is our last nebraska episode and that was july 2019 i don't think i remember so it's been a while it was a really crazy one and it was a blood trail follow that blood trail

maybe that could be not positive okay so it's in knox county zip code 68783 area code 402 tiny little towns i mean all these towns are like a little main street and then just rural farms. 0.55 square miles. Just a little main street. The motto of this place, I don't even know what to say about it, is the Kolach Capital of the World. What the hell is a Kolach? The Kolach Capital of the World. We'll get into that. Don't worry.

Or, this is their alternate one. This is like, they're trying to be cool a little bit with this one. We put the nowhere in middle of nowhere. So know that's not a real one the first one is actually 0.55 square miles that's not a town it's a speck yeah literally just in the middle of nowhere unbelievable from a plane you'd be like that must be a farm and it's a it's a whole town it's it's super weird so the history of this town, it was apparently the county was organized by the territorial legislature in 1857 and named, wow, Laocui Court. What? That was the French name for the river in this area here so uh the name was changed to knox because no one could fucking

pronounce la cui la cui court very well in rural nebraska yeah like what was that again lock lock queen took in court courtyard at the la quinta what the fuck he how the fuck he talking about those are two different hotels i don't know I don't know. We don't have either. I don't know what you're talking about, boy. But maybe try the next town over. It's a little smaller. So probably chances are less. But, you know, there. But we can't.

But Knox. I know Knox. That's better. Knox on the head. I got Knox all over the place. So it was changed to Knox by a statute passed in 1873. They're like, let's change this to something we can pronounce. They platted it in 1887, and that was before the railroad came by.

And eventually they took the town name here from the Verdigris Creek that's nearby. They were like, that's a terrible name. It's already a creek name. Might as well slap it on a town, too. You can say that shit. That's what I mean. Some of the first establishments were, I'll give you a guess jimmy a church saloons yeah that's right yeah towns are built in one of two way one of two ways either on booze and whores or god one of the

two because i never never the two shall mix and they always have to no that's what it is yeah it's either booze and whores this way and general minors this way come on guys one of the two here so it's much more fun yeah well that's what it is two saloons a post office and a hotel slash restaurant so right yeah that's it's deadwood basically house yeah deadwood yeah that's uh that's not our words that's what they would have called it in the 1880s if you've seen Deadwood. We talk about it a lot. So if you're new to the show, you might be like, why are they saying horse so much? Jesus, it's a Deadwood thing.

Never mind. So among the first settlers here was someone named Old Jules Sandoz. What? Like old balls? Old Jules, they called him. Like J-U-L-E-S? J-U-L-E-S. Okay.

Old Jules. It was like old balls over there yeah the father of author mary sanders apparently a famous author from a time back then i don't know shit about it so uh this they put a school up in 1889 in 1912 they got a fire department because you know they're in the middle of nowhere and everything's what shit's gonna burst into flames eventually here they formed it they uh at that point they had two hotels two hardware stores a furniture store holy shit an undertaker you gotta have that you gotta have that that's usually there's duels in the street yeah a mill a millinery a millinery store which is mill shit okay uh one drug store two which is mill shit. Okay. One drug store, two doctors, a dentist, two implement dealers, two lumberyards, a harness shop, a blacksmith shop, one meat market, two pool halls, a racket store, an ice cream

parlor, an opera house, two elevators, four, two elevators. Holy shit. They probably mean grain. Yeah. I assume. Four saloons, two barber shops, an art studio, one newspaper, one lawyer, a tailor, two livery barns, a flour mill, an ice cream manufacturing plant, several real estate dealers, two lunchrooms, a cigar shop, cement works, one church, one church for all that. All crammed into.55 square miles.

Two telephone systems, two banks, and a natural park. This place is booming. Yeah, they were booming in 1912 here. And it continued to do pretty well. And it's the late, right around the turn of the century, about 1900, they had a big flood. And then the problem is 100 years later, though, they have a really big fucking flood here. Really? Last year, we're talking.

Really? 2019. They said ice chunks the size of small cars ripped through barns and farmhouses is the first line of this article in the New York Times. That's rough. Yeah. Baby calves were swept into freezing floodwaters, washing up dead along the banks of swollen rivers. Farm fields were now lakes.

That's horrifying. That's what happened. Yeah. This place, they talked to this Ruzicka family. By the way, everything here is Czech, you know, like Czechoslovakia. Czech. These people are all the settlers were Czech. Everything here is Czech.

It's still. Yes, it's the same people. They haven't. It's not like people have moved in. There's no same generation. Yeah, they just keep going. They're farmers. They pass the farms down.

It's the same people. These people here, the Ruzicka family here they uh the ruzika family they own a little store and they said they farmed for five generations in this area jesus i mean that's fucking crazy why would you i don't know back to the homesteading days of the 1800s and they said their farmhouse was lost uh total lost uh their branding iron is missing well that's a tragedy we'll keep looking the family tractor is missing it's a 1930s model that they still use sometimes it was the family's first tractor uh they found it uh overturned in a in a mud pond and uh that was that for that they said that they haven't even they couldn't even tally their cattle herd losses they just things were

gone they tried to move cows to neighboring farms and then the dam burst and uh they said that they had 15 newborn calves perished and all sorts of other cows the the guy mr ruzika said we didn't know what to do with them we never ever expected anything like this we just ran out of time it was either sacrifice them or sacrifice ourselves this is the kind of flood we're talking about, a scary one. And it wasn't one they even knew was coming. That's the other thing, too. Well, she, this man, Rosica, also says there's not many farms left like this, and it's probably over for us, too, now.

Financially, how do you recover from something like this? And the woman said, his wife said, quote, it came very quickly. Quite honestly, if somebody would have told us that morning it was going to be a flood, we probably would have said, No, I don't think so. It was just all at once. I guess the creek rose very quickly. And one witness said, I looked across the creek and the water was out of the banks. You can see it was above the dike pouring over the edges coming into town on the bottom end. We need to evacuate everybody from the lower to end

and working our way up immediately and that's what they did and uh yeah it was so much water everything was just destroyed um the the dike that protected the verdigris town as is right by these people's house the rosica's farm yeah and uh it meant this thing is 25 feet high at its lowest at its highest point two feet at its lowest point and uh basically meant this thing is 25 feet high at its lowest at its highest point two feet at its lowest point and uh basically it started coming over wow and that was that i mean can you imagine that it's so much water it's coming oh fuck now what do we do yeah so uh yeah it's it's crazy they said the dike was kind of messed up they said there's trees and stuff growing on that dike those all have to come down we have a dike that hadn't had any maintenance done to it for years because it was a temporary thing and then nothing further was ever done

that's america the infrastructure's fucked they put it up that's what we do we put shit up and we're like well i mean we'll fix it if it breaks like you know it's done now so i mean that's good for now and then when it's broken that's what we do with bridges we don't fix them until they until cars plunge into rivers and then we go go, oh, we should fix that bridge. All righty. Meanwhile, there's a report that says, like, it's a staggering number of percentage of our bridges that are fucked and need to be overhauled. No shit. It's so scary. Yeah.

They talked to some professor from Omaha here from the college, and he said, I think that we all forget these little communities exist, and we need to definitely look out for them, and especially after devastation like this. This town peaked in population in 1980 when it had 617 people. That's the height. That's the height of this town's heights. Right now, it has 526 people, which is down 13% since 1990. Now, the stats are weird when we're under 1,000 people, so there's way more females than males in this town,

but the median age is 59.6. Oh, that's weird. That says something. 28% of the people here are over 75 years old. 28%. One in four. 17% of people are over 85. Holy shit.

What are they doing here to live so long, first of all? We've never had a town where 17% of the people are over 85. Holy shit. What are they doing here to live so long, first of all? We've never had a town where 17% of the people are over 85. That's incredible. It's fucking incredible. Check jeans. No stress, maybe? Maybe. The only stress you got now is that dyke.

Besides the flood, yeah. And obviously all the demographics under 60 are way low. There's like no kids here. This would be a depressing place to be a child. This would be fucking terrible. Dude, this town's going to die itself. It's going to be over. Yeah, once these people, in the next 10 years, 30% of the population is going to die.

And then the rest of the people are either going to continue with these farms after this flood has destroyed everything, or they're going to move somewhere else. So it might be kind of over for this town. This might die soon. Yeah, that's what I mean. This is one that could very well die pretty soon here especially if the economy gets going the way it's not gonna help it's not gonna help i said rural nebraska i don't think so uh there's less single people with children because there's so many old people i would imagine the household size is like half the normal household size because it's you know old people that's it they're all this is

a baffling not old elderly they're very old we're not saying these are old people they're fucking 88 years old that's elderly that's old you don't get any older than that unless you're dead barely barely you get a few years older usually you get my grandmother and it's like oh every step they take is like oh don't let her fall down so uh race of this town is 93.2% white, which is not surprising. The 0.0% black, 0.0% Asian, 4.8% Native American, which is a very high percentage as usual. But for Nebraska, it's pretty normal. And 2.1%, two or more races, which seems to be white and Native American mixed together. I think that's all of it.

So there's nobody else to fucking mix with. Who are you mixing with? A few boys named Joaquin. There's no one to mix with here. There's 0.0% Hispanic, too. Wow. That's it. That's all it is.

White people and like five Native Americans. That's a wild fucking stat. Fucking weird town, town man we've never had that before the only minority is native american we've never had that in the town before it's usually the only one that's not there right you know the only people that aren't there represented so 76.3 percent of the people here are religious uh 0.0 percent baptist the baptism a baptist life does not translate to the plains apparently here a bunch of lutherans 35 percent lutherans lutherans are the baptists of the plains as we found out now apparently i guess i don't fucking know wheatfield baptist wheatfield baptist that's right you guys are silo Baptist. Jesus.

0.0% Jewish. 0.0% Islam. They just drove on by. Wild. I don't think so. Kept driving. This town is so fascinating. It's a weird town.

I'm going to, the politics of this town, I'll give you a crack at what those might be. They're super progressive. They're all very progressive. This town actually has seven abortion clinics. progressive they're all very progressive uh this town actually has seven abortion clinics 17 democrat 75 and a half percent republican last uh election here uh unemployment rate is low because these people most of them work on farms they have their family farms so there's they're not unemployed at all no reason to be median household income though is brutal uh rest of the country it's about 57 and a half thousand dollars that's

normal uh here it is 32,031 dollars yeah if there's a flood you're fucked man that is not great 20 make under 15,000 a year 47 that's almost half damn near half make 30,000 or less a year that is rough that's rough man i can't i don't i can't do that math that's right i mean if you if you have a family farm i guess and you can kind of subsistence subsistence uh you know farm for your food so you don't need that much money i guess if you're not paying a mortgage or and paying uh yeah i guess it's a family house that you've had for years and years i don't know how that works but either way that way, that's not a lot of money to live on for a household income. That's crazy.

That's rough, man. So cost of living in this town, 100 being regular par average. We'll see how far that goes. Here it's 73 out of 100, which seems high. Health care is very high, 137 out of 100. But housing is really low, 29 out of 100. That might be the lowest. It's pretty close.

Median home costs $68,800 here, which still seems high for this place. This place doesn't even seem affordable. 65% of the houses are worth less than $80,000 in this place. So that'll give you an idea of where we're at here. 65%. 65% of the houses are worth less than $80,000. And that's not just the house. You can stop at than $80,000.

Worthless. That's not just the house. That's the property. You can have a big farm and it's worth $50,000. That's because the milk machine back there is worth $30,000. Yeah, we got ourselves a milker i'll tell you what my granddaddy got it in in 48 and yeah i haven't had a problem since uh that's most of the value of the property i gotta tell you though this property here is worth about 68 000 back in the back we've got a uh a pristine uh tractor

worth about 200200,000. Did I mention my baseball card collection? Because if you put that onto it, that's another $2,000, I believe, unless that Ken Griffey Jr. went down more than I thought it would. But you never know. And that makes this value of property $65,000. It's better now. So if we've convinced you, obviously the only place to go is Verdigris, Nebraska.

I don't know how. We have for you the Verdigris, Nebraska real estate report. Your average two-bedroom rental here goes for about $700 a month, but there really isn't anything to rent. So that's a moot point. So it doesn't matter. That's just what it's listed as. That's too much. That would be way too much.

I found a two-bedroom, two-bath, 780-square-foot little house. It's on property, like a third of an acre or something, like a decent-sized yard or whatever. $38,000, though. So, I mean, I don't know if you need a place to live. 700 square feet? 780. It's like a decent size yard or whatever 38 000 bucks though okay so i mean i don't know if you need a place 780 it's like that's the fuck it sounds like an apartment but it's actually a little two-story house i don't know the little tiny stories little little little miniature it's a it's like a dream house like yeah it's a vertigree barbie dream house uh i found a uh two uh five bedroom two bath uh 1606 square foot house here which is a decent size house it's on a decent size lot 1606 square feet seventy nine thousand

dollars for that so you get five bedrooms in there i don't know fuck tiny little bedrooms you made two into one or one into two a couple of times over, probably. It's probably a two-bedroom house to begin with, or a three-bedroom house. Then I found one. It's just a big, weird fucking house. Look at it, Jimmy. What? It is weird.

It looks like... It looks like a logging encampment or something. It looks like a house that would be on the cover of a book where something terrible happened. Like this story. Yeah. This is on 120 acres of cropland. Yes. Hay meadow and premier hunting land with a live stream and an Amish-built log cabin.

That's pretty awesome. 56 acres of crop alfalfa land and grass hay meadow. Wow. With the rest of it being woods. A 2,640-square-foot house with a full basement, water provided by a well drilled in 2003, $349,000. That seems like a lot, though. 120 acres.

Based on the fucking look of that house, though? It's a piece of shit. You're going to have to raise that thing and put a new one up. Oh, yeah, yeah. The house is shit. That many acres is crazy. It was built in 2003, the house. That?

What? That was built in 2003. It's crazy. It was built in 2003, the house. That what? That was built in 2003. They built a house that looked like it was built in 1843 in 2003 for some reason. Sure could use a coat of lacquer. Slap some varnish on that, Amish.

You're not too Amish for varnish, are you? You don't use Thompson's on that fucking thing? Things to do here. Kolach days. All right. I can't wait to find out what that is. Okay. Now, Kolach, the Verdigris is the Kolach capital of the world.

I found out what it is. And when you read it, it sounds disgusting. And then I looked at a picture of it and I was like, oh, those, those are delicious. Holy shit. Very nice here. A Kolach or Kolach is a pastry of Czech and Slovak origin with a fruit center, usually poppy seed, prunes, cherries or blueberries, which that's the part that makes it sound gross. Prunes and poppy seeds. Nobody wants that in a pastry.

Something sweet. Somewhat similar to a Danish. During the summer, usually the second week of June, Vertigry hosts a huge festival celebrating the kolach and usually provides rides tractor poles yeah both duck and turtle races jimmy both yeah uh what else here live music mud volleyball what i don't know somebody's gonna get in trouble for that that is sounds fucking gross. That sounds terrible. Mud volleyball? But at least I know what that is. A bull-o-rama?

I don't even know what the fuck that is. Is that all bulls? Bull-o-rama. Just cows with dicks everywhere. Bring your dick-laden cows. Kolach eating contests, obviously. A variety of activities for the community. And then, Verdigree crowns its annual

kolach queen during this festival which is a very prestigious appointment obviously i hope a man wins that sometime that's well they apparently the city elects the city elects kolak royalty both king and queen during the festivities yeah Oh, okay. Kolach. Now, I looked what these look like. Ramen queen. Yeah. They sound disgusting. Yeah. But then you look at them, and they're delicious.

They're like a tart kind of a thing. Little ones? It's like a pastry thing with like a fruity thing in the center. Okay. There's Italian cookies that are just like it. That's why there's a lot of Czech and Slavic in Italy. They all fuck each other back in the day. Is it the little ones that fit in the palm of your hand, the little circle ones? They could be little.

They could be bigger. Yeah. But they're like, it's not a real sweet pastry. The pastry itself is kind of semi-sweet. It's not real sweet. It's kind of like I like shit, like a pound cake or something. And then the middle is the fruit parts,

the sweet part. Not like here where we stack sweet on top of sweet on top of sweet. Is it like a shortbread with it on it? Not a shortbread. It's a... It's more doughy? Yeah, it's good. More of a bread. They're pretty it on it not a shortbread it's a more doughy yeah it's it's good more of a bread they're pretty good though not a bread but like they're pretty

good but i found the schedule for last year's and it's pretty amazing they kick it off with a texas hold'em poker tournament a variety show which sounds great the vertigree community chorus presents how times have changed that's their show apparently what's up with that but uh it's directed by nancy pavelka so i'll be there uh june 14th is the annual barbecue cook-off gotta have that a pool party okay uh what else we got a kiddie parade which sounds disgusting theme noah's ark oh boy so let's get religious with this as well uh very nice there another variety show in the nighttime uh cruise night i don't know what the fuck that is see the variety shows i want to see what they call a variety wouldn't that be great oh my god it's

not showcasing like talents of like random people is it or is it maybe it is it probably is or is it like eric andre's variety this kid farts at will i feel like it's stuff like that let's work him out an old man that plays the spoons you know that's what i feel like it is that's what this has to be uh then somebody drags their dick on on wine glasses and makes different sounds the doc wallstrom memorial turtle races are on saturday jimmy's over get yourself all ready for that the sand dig oh do they bury shit i don't know if they're burying or just a competition to see who can who digs a bigger dig the fastest then the duck races come later on at

1 30 uh the beanbag tournament i assume it's like cornhole. Probably. I assume there. They got like a weird fucking duel. Yeah. Then the night band is the VHS alumni band. Yes. So that means they're old people. Yeah. That's what that means. A lot of Huey Lewis covers.

Oh, you know, it just constantly. I got a new drug. Rock and roll is in third degree and four people cheer. We've all grabbed a different Huey song. It's fine. It's fine. It's all the same fine it's all the same it's all the same fucking song i like him though all the same song all the same kind of like jesus christ stupid fucking 80s shirts oh fucking hair he's so 80s you're just like

go away you're like a you're like a walking episode of alf to fuck away from me so he hasn't slowed down no he's in there same shit same shit that's all he's got and he's gonna grab onto it bring me the 80s news please uh sunday they have the annual polka mass what at the church all faiths are welcome mass mass i guess it's a polka i don't i don't know how to explain that you do that uh royal ball is at the end of that night with the coronation of the 2019 king and queen uh this unfortunately guys is canceled for 2020 it was supposed to happen this week and it's gone uh good if we can't do live fucking shows these people can't pick a kolach queen fuck you no crime rate in this town here

what we're interested in the good stuff uh property and crime in this town is about half the usual the average national crime rate for property and violent crime murder rape robbery and of course assault the mount rushmore of crime is a little under half so uh it's a safe town i mean everyone knows each other that seems a little 500 something people elderly people yeah right even half of each other i don't know what's going on here maybe at the at this one saloon in town these farmers get pissed off at each other for you know somebody saying their alfalfa hay crop came in better than someone else's alfalfa hay crop those are fighting words jimmy i'll tell you right now your wife doesn't look as good as a kolach that's what you think your wife should be kolach queen hell no my wife gonna put away a hundred kolaches she's that's how we pick it right yeah the uh

person's a lady who can eat the most kolaches at once because my wife will win she pulls the tractor i had four mocks and died last year i didn't even replace them i just put her outside put it on her but she said i got it i didn't even have to force her she was just like all good that's how strong she is that's a colotch queen everybody independent woman she's an independent woman she don't need no oxen or no man. Nothing. She doesn't need me. I ain't slept with her in 12 years. Shit.

Not at all. She won't let me. That's part of it. Also, I did some bad things back in the day. That's probably my fault. Probably my fault. I'm not going to. Let's not get into our marriage. I didn't say I need to be king.

I said she needs to be queen. That's what I'm saying. I ain't the king, but she should be queen. That's all I mean. And I think we should crown her. Bob, I told you. Your ain't the king, but she should be queen. That's all I mean. And I think we should crown her. Bob, I told you. Your wife is shitting kolaches. Your wife, you couldn't pile kolaches high enough to reach the shit pile that your wife's head is.

Fucking his alfalfa sprout. Hey, it's so weak this year. That's why he's angry. It's angry at the alfalfa sprout. Trying to blame the COVID. Trying to blame. It's the COVID. My alfalfa sprout. Trying to blame the COVID. It's the COVID. My alfalfa don't get no COVID. Don't make your wife any heftier.

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and i live under your law they were just like well this is a this is a england now right that you what this my yard is england so i can do whatever i want in here now yeah this is only confined to what i believe is right we're annexing this as that's what they i don't know if that's what it is on a farm it's got to have something to do with it and it's weird because everyone thinks of like a farm person there's no negative farm person connotation oh it's the salt of the earth and that's this and that's that of america and anybody's like we got to help the farmers and everyone claps there's never uh you know why or not that i'm saying we shouldn't but i mean like everyone just immediately like well far we need far we love

farmers we love farmers it's because the majority of america refuses to oh we don't want to farm shit that's why Somebody planted some tomatoes. They're like, this is a fucking nightmare. Yeah. My garden. Let the farmers do it, and I'll just cheer for them. My garden's overrun with shit. I got five plants.

So if you can hold this together and get crops out of it, that's incredible. I got leaves and stalks everywhere, not a fruit in sight. I ain't got shit. I got leaves. I can tell you that was a tomato. I don't know. Might be squash by now. But no tomato popped out. That's the problem. It's just leaves. I can tell you that was a tomato. I don't know. Maybe squash by now. But no tomato popped out.

That's the problem. It's just leaves. It's the plant. So, yeah, I think maybe that's why it's surprising, too, because we think of like a farm, right or wrong, for some reason. It's TV. It's movies. You see people on farms. It's like, oh, they're wholesome and they're whatever.

No. No. They could be just as fucking weird as anyone else. Just weird as me i guarantee it and even weirder because they're off on their own like i said they get off on their own yeah nobody's seeing no one no one giving them that you know that that look i just gave you that like not even that it's not no they got a side eye like fuck bob what is going on yeah or like nobody like peeking out their blinds checking them like oh bob's over there you're like, I can't do this. The neighbors look out the blinds. There's no fucking body around.

Nobody. And on top of that, they're doing things that are crazy in the first place to the human psyche. They're jamming sperm up a cow's giner. You know what I mean? It's nuts. And then killing large mammals and shit. Which, I mean, obviously, it has to be done if you want food. You've got to do it.

It takes a certain something to do. You've got to have done if you want food but do it it takes a certain something to do and not everyone is not everyone's built for that whereas if you grow up on a farm you have you have to be built for that so there has to be people who aren't built for that who do it anyway because they live on a farm and it fucks up their brains i don't know maybe that's what it is maybe that's maybe we figured it out and it's and on top of that you see not just what they have to do to to get the food and the and the crop and the product to us you also see the side of that where the injuries and the oh yeah and the things that people do to get back into the fields i know a dude that's

missing a fucking arm because he fell into a a corn shucker or some shit it's it's unbelievable what these what farmers will go through i know'd think we would move past that by now. I know. Falling into corn shockers. He was a kid. That's even worse. The fuck was he doing near industrial farm equipment? Because he's a kid.

That's where you put the kid, next to the heaviest machinery. Right. Because he's got to work. Get right in there by the gears, son. Right in there. Get close to the gears. Lost his fucking arm. I guess so. No, it's all right if your sleeve hangs let it dangle son no worries don't button

hey you're right that'll teach them some dirt in it fucker that'll teach them they're tough as shit too yeah good lord fuck maybe that's why health care is so expensive in this town it's all thresher accidents. Uninsured thresher accidents. It's a dangerous lifestyle. It's hard-ass work. Maybe that's why we just blindly stand up and cheer. But I'm positive that there's an exorbitant amount of numbers of people that have some crazy shit going on in their life.

You know it. You just know it. We've got to talk about Frances Thompson. Frances. Fran is her name. Fran. We got to talk about Frances Thompson. Frances. Fran is her name. Fran here. Let's talk about Fran. Now, Fran Thompson, she's born January 4th, 1950.

Old Franny girl here. So, Fran, she has kind of a tough time through her late 20s, early 30s. Bit of a hard time. she has a husband that's where the thompson came from but his they never actually get married married which is interesting they're like common law they have a son together and she eventually changes the son's name and her name to thompson as well which seems more difficult than just getting married. There's more paperwork involved in a name change than a marriage. Like, I got married. You go down.

I don't know what it's like in every state, but in Arizona, you go down, you pay $76, and you say, I'm going to marry her, and you guys show ID. And then they go, all right, well, here's the thing. Mail it back in when you do it, and there you go. That's it. You mail a thing, and they go, hey, you're married. It's so far. It's way too easy.

There should be like a questionnaire and a quiz. The opposite should be true. The divorce should be much easier than the marriage. Oh, my God. The marriage is so fucking easy. So a name change, I know people that have changed their names. It's a huge pain in the ass to change your name. So this is, I don't know why she wouldn't just get married. But anyway.

My mom did that shit to us as like kids. She changed my name to my stepfather's name. Oh, I know a lot of people. And then she changed it back when she got a divorce. Then she got married again. And she was like, I'm not doing that shit again. Yeah, you're good. You're a whisperer forever.

Yeah, that's fine. Hang on to it. Yeah, it's easier. It's expensive and it's a pain in the ass. So anyway, this guy, while they're married and they have a young son, he ends up dying in a construction accident. I assume falling in a corn thing of some kind. Some machine. Right by the gears, Thompson.

And he's like, close enough. Oh, shit. So obviously that's tragic. So she has to kind of raise up this son alone. But she's got her mother also her mother has a farm that we'll talk about here in a moment here but through the 80s she really tries to try to get her life back together she's trying to pull it together she wants to be an attorney actually because she's super into environmental activism and animal rights is what she's into big time, which is strange for a rural farm girl from the middle of nowhere.

But, you know, I guess she's been on farms and she said she saw what happens to animals and made her feel bad. You know, that was her thing. So I could see that being the other thing that could happen. So anyway, she goes to the University of Nebraska at Lincoln, actually, in the 80s to pursue her degree. She goes for three years from 88 to 91. She's going to school and she has mostly A's as grades. She's doing really well. She's taking it seriously.

A lot of people who go back to school in in their 30s yeah end up being very successful at it because they're they take it fucking seriously fucking invested also they've seen the other side of the coin what's i mean fucking difficult yeah and they're and they have they know the value of money so they're paying for it they're like i'm gonna fucking do this great because this is expensive i gotta pay this money back and shit so it's it's different 19 year old yeah with dad's money he's like my parents are making me go to college. Like, that's how they're thinking, and some of them. And when you're 35, you're like, oh, I get to go to college so I can not be so poor.

You know. As they stand on their head and put the beer nozzle in their mouth. Exactly. My dad's making me do this. No shit. He's making me. This sucks. This totally sucks.

Fuck you, kid. Fuck. All right, I'm going to go bang this chick. totally sucks fuck you kid fuck all right i'm gonna go bang this chick this sucks man like what what are you talking about no no you're living the dream you little asshole no yeah you ass i didn't get to do that you dickhead and fire these people it fucking sucks you know what i did because my dad dad fucking made me is pay my fucking insurance. That's a smart move. That's what he made me do because he wasn't around. It worked out for the best. My dad made me pay my rent.

It's responsibility, son. So, yeah, she wanted to go to law school and pursue a career in environmental law. So, yeah, she wanted to go to law school and pursue a career in environmental law. So while she is at the university, she has an apartment in Lincoln where she goes to school. She can't really. It's hours, like a four-hour drive to Lincoln from Verdigris. So it's not like she can commute. So she has an apartment while she's down there. while she's down there while she's not in the at university on the weekends if they have you know holidays summers she resides in uh this farm right outside verdigris an 850 acre farm what

big fucking farm right it's uh it's a goddamn huge farm yeah and uh sure her mother owns the farm okay that makes sense her mother's older and this know, like I said, she's about 40. So her mother's getting up there in age. And her mother, you know, it's obvious that she's going to inherit the farm. So she kind of stays close to the farm to be in there. Now, during this time, her son, Stephen, he ends up going. He's in the Navy. And so about 87, he enters the Navy.

And we'll talk about him graduating from the navy in 91 and all sorts of shit like that now arthur the pig we have to talk about for a second here francis franny girl loves arthur the pig i feel you okay she says and this is her words she says my son and i first bought arthur a baby girl, with already no hope in her eyes, home with us in the summer of 85. And then you named her a boy's name? Yeah, see, this is what I mean. I don't mean the boy's name, but listen to her writing. You can hear how she talks about animals and stuff.

Arthur didn't know it yet, so I explained to her on the way home in our truck as she half sat tensely on Steve's lap. Yeah. Yeah. She explained it. Very calmly. And then the pig said, I understand. as she half sat tensely on Steve's lap. Yeah. Yeah. She explained it. She explained it very calmly. And then the pig said, I understand.

And he looked back to the road and he said, make a right. I'm riding with you. I need to stop at the store quick. Pick me up a coffee while you're in there. Pick me up a six pack while you're in there. Hi, sweetheart. All right there. And he pinched her ass

and she was like, what the fuck? This pig's a dick. Isn't this pig supposed to be a girl? Jesus. Is it or is this pig a dick like uh isn't it a girl yeah so uh she said quote arthur was the result of long talks with god about the value of life she's mixed environmentalism and religion big time by the way she's in her own in her own little stew that's an odd pairing it's interesting it's not normal not usual sometimes there's certain sex americans kind of do it yeah but they're not christianity they're doing a different way yeah they're really into the earth like that's what they're yeah like the gods gave us this and we do this and it creates crops and we yeah where's

christianity is like you destroy the earth to show how much God wanted us to have it. That's what. And she's going to try to make the point of Christians together. I don't know if that's the point of Christianity. We're just trying to make a whatever. But yes, she's trying to do it. My own weighed and reweighed. The results always negative. I was not grateful for mine. Oh, life.

Apparently, as a woman in a male-dominated society born into the underclass i'd had no easy opportunities degrading work and abusive men were the story of my life i had to say to god now look look god yeah and pig you listen good who's are you list pig i'm talking to both of you yeah god and the pig pay attention arthur the girl listen listen arthur the girl god's listening you think you're better than god right uh she said now look i want a good life one worth living i'm not asking for more than i'm willing to give watch me i will find someone who also through the accident of birth is in even worse shape than i i'll turn that being's life into one worth living and that's arthur she says How could I do that when I couldn't even control my own fate, she says.

We had moved to a farm that summer and now had space, farm buildings, and love to share, though little money. Living in that farming area, I was horribly aware of the many others more foredoomed than I. Cute, small, four-legged others. Okay. Animals. Okay. Animals. Yeah. What did their bright, shiny, innocent eyes see from behind the fences? I almost said feces.

Most everything mine saw driving by. And when I was, and while little I saw was for me, none was for them. Jesus. Their only benefit of the fine vehicles they saw would be two rides, one to an auction, another to a slaughterhouse. No toys, no freedom for them jesus their only benefit of the fine vehicles they saw would be two rides one to an auction another to a slaughterhouse no toys no freedom for them either at least i unlike they were spared the slaughterhouse so a calf or a baby or a pig baby i didn't know how to care for

either the sheds near the house were small so the pig won i wasn't sure at first it would work out i already knew in 1985 that i would begin full-time study at the university of nebraska in 1988 and who knew and uh yeah who knew while i could see clearly the evil from which i was saving arthur perhaps pigs had some unknown uncontrollable flaw you don't know who knows that's right mean, apart from cholesterol. Well. They're amazing animals. They're so adorable. They're smart. They're crazy.

Oh, I love them. She says then, quote, I was carefully, painfully honest with Artie. Oh, boy. Just very, very. I told her that three years was all I could offer, and that might not even work out if I found that she was, for some reason, more than I could handle. But I was able to, and did, promise her that no matter what she would die at home there would be no last ride for her to a slaughterhouse no terror no unbearable pain no ghastly unexpected flaw ever appeared in our an arthur what was she

expecting arthur to do turn around just be like a misogynist say the n-word to her like what did she what kind of a dick did she expect this pig to be it's a fucking pig it's not like you know you're gonna clean up its shit and piss and you're gonna feed it you know like a dog these pigs are racist i mean i'm just i'm just saying so she says our experiences together as told in my first arthur story were priceless i will always marvel marvel at arthy's intelligence and ingenuity at her sweet gentle nature so that's what we're so that's what we're dealing with we're dealing with a woman on a farm uh in the late 80s who's got a son and a pig and a soft spot for that and a soft spot for that pig and uh apparently seems like a very caring very over i don't know if overly is the

word but empathetic oh boy more than average, we'll say. She's got vegan empathy. More than average empathy, which I'm not saying is a bad thing to have. It's fine to have empathy. We need people with empathy in the world because, you know, whatever. We need balance. She's got so much. She's got a lot, though.

She's the extreme empathy where she's like bringing shit in the house to take care of it. She's like that. She's like the equivalent, the opposite equivalent of someone's like, let's kill all the animals today. Woo! She balances. I can't wait. She balances one of those people.

I'm going to bathe in the blood of my calves today. You know, like that would be, yeah. She's got to balance that guy. She balances the guy that sits at breakfast with two sausage links, two bacon strips, a big piece of ham, two eggs, just like an entire farm dies for this man's breakfast. And a pig head atop his, like a hat. Just a face like a hat on his head.

So, Jesus Christ. So let's talk about a guy now. Let's talk about a man named Dean Frank. Yeah. So Dean Frank has two first names, obviously, is the most thing we're going to see. What a farmer name. Dean Frank. Yeah yeah and dean is a farmer you bet dean knows his farming he's a farm hand from way back he knows what he's doing they're about the same age dean and francis here uh now francis franny meets dean shortly after uh they you know they moved into that farm because he's from that area so

basically they moved into this farm and dean approached them and said uh you know do you need anything done i'm a farm guy i do odd jobs around here he's like a local you know he's like one of the guys in wizard of oz that you know wakes dorothy up returns into the tin man later some shit he's one of those guys yeah he works that, too. Yeah, he works on the farm. He does shit. I'm sure he's treated terribly and, like, sleeps with animals. That guy.

You know what we're talking about. He's the guy inseminating the cows, but he's got a boner while he does it. That's the thing. We don't know what he does out there, and you know what? That's his business, kids. Stay out of there.

Nobody tells you to go in the barn. Stay out of the barn, kids. What are we doing here jesus christ so yeah he did odd jobs around the farm uh right away dean frank does uh he's paid by thompson's mother and uh frank also or frank also helps franny with you know various tasks and helps the mother with whenever they need something heavy moved and shit like that but she also has he also has a special responsibility with that fran kind of gives him to take care of her pet pig of course while she's at school as well and when she's not there so that's like his main duty is basic farm shit help the mother and uh take care of this pet pig so in exchange for taking care of the pig

because that wasn't covered under the mother's salary that she pays him. The work umbrella. The work umbrella. Franny will do like, she'll do sewing for him if he needs a letter typed to somebody in town, or if he needs like a, because he typed, he'll send letters to like relatives and shit, and she'll type them up for him.

So, because his handwriting shit, he's a farmer. What do you want? So she'll do stuff like that in exchange for that. So it's a nice little, you know, whatever. A little barter system. Yeah, I mean, it's a farmer yeah what do you want so she'll do stuff like that in exchange for that so it's a nice little you know whatever you got a gentleman's barter system right yeah i mean it's a farm this is what you'd expect yeah and it sounds like i'll do farm work if you do my mending and typing sounds like it's from the 1850s this is 1988 this is going on 1987 right now like weird you put pen to paper i'll wipe your pig's ass yeah that's what i mean like this is this is fucking weird like this hulk hogan was body slamming andre the giant in front

of 90 000 people while this was happening this is this it's way not modern it's very strange so fuck so what happens here is they do all that frank lives in atkinson nebraska which is kind of dean frank does which is around but it's they're everything's far from here uh so they don't even thompson and fran uh franny and fran dean frank don't really see each other very much because she's not on the farm much he comes and goes so it's just like if they pass by hey how's it going and he'll be they'll still tell her something about the pig or some shit like that. But they don't really have much contact besides that. Sometimes Frank will spend the night at the farm when he's doing odd jobs at last, kind of into darkness and he's tired. They say, hey, go ahead and crash out.

They have an extra room. There's a spare bedroom upstairs. It's like nobody stays on that floor. So he goes up there and takes off early in the morning. That sort of shit. Or if he has a job that's too big for one day, he doesn't have to drive home and drive early in the morning, that sort of shit. Or if he has like a job, it's too big for one day. Gotcha.

He doesn't have to drive home and drive back in the morning, which is a pain in the ass. So it's a very, very nice, congenial kind of business work relationship. Works out. Yeah. If one of their daughters is injured in a tornado,

they will care for her until she comes back and tells them an amazing tale. Yeah. That'll happen. So August of 1991 comes around let's fast forward to august of 91 six years later six years later okay from 85 this nice relationship with the farm guy she never sees takes care of the pig pig's gotten double its life expectancy oh yeah oh yeah the pig is she's only given it three years pig is hundreds of pounds it's huge it's doing great it's a happy go lucky pig yeah she says the pig is doing wonderfully now august 1991 let's jump to august 18th 1991 okay from this nice idyllic time of this woman

wants to go to law school and this nice farm guy and everything like that. On August 18th, 1991, Fran Thompson writes, quote, I called Deputy Waterman at 1222. And then she puts noon in parentheses. I called Dean a, quote, dangerous psycho and told Deputy Waterman how scared of him I am. Deputy Waterman at that point instructed her of how to obtain a restraining order and advised her to do so the following day because it was a Sunday so you can go down to the court on Monday and do it now at 3 12 p.m Dean Frank called Franny and they talked for 32 minutes on the phone now uh she will say that he didn't threaten her at that time or anything like that but and that's what she writes in her notes as well she has like a note going on that she writes in her computer that time or anything like that but and that's what she writes in her notes as well she

has like a note going on that she writes in her computer that i call deputy waterman at 12 22 this is a file she's got in her computer that she's going on she writes under that file frank quote sounded calmer but like he was going to burst into tears at any second she also says that frank uh sounded like his normal self and he talked about his normal stuff at the same time okay now before he hung up apparently dean frank told franny that he was going to put clothes into the dryer quick and he's going to go out grocery shopping pretty basic shit uh fran uh says that she you know she didn't invite him over and you know he didn't he didn't say he was coming over there was no indication that any that he would end up at the house basically so a few minutes later uh dolores fisher called uh called and told franny that dean

frank had been at her place from 12 30 to 2 p.m and they talked for a while they were just friends and that he seemed fine then because uh franny asked dolores fisher how is he doing yeah and you know please fran dolores said just fine so uh she said that frank and dolores says her and dean frank watch tv they took a nap come over your house watch a little tv and take a nap. That's a weird visit. Is it not? Do they fuck?

I don't know. They said they had two cans of beer. They definitely fuck, right? 1230 to two. Yeah. He comes over to has a couple of beers and takes a nap at the middle of the afternoon. A weird friend's house. It sounds great.

Don't get me wrong. I mean, I mean, a good beer nap at 1230. That's that sounds that sounds comfortable i don't see that happening between put the ceiling fan on and put the blankets up over here i mean yeah yeah no that's not that's not a normal thing no 12 30 or two is fucking time yeah yeah that's there that's a nooner yeah that's they're not just hanging out right whatever so well you never know i don't know but that's a strange relationship yeah um now this dolores fisher also had told her apparently told franny at this time that this dolores fisher had talked to

b gats as this woman's name b-e-a-g-a-t-z b gats which sounds like a 1993 rapper it does b gats you know uh the mother of a guy. Common posts a picture on Instagram with the mother of the Gats boys. And B had reassured her that the boy that her boys were harmless because there was a thing that goes on with that. The Gats boys are Gats boys are harmless. They have a Gats with a Z. Dangerous as fuck. They do sound dangerous. I'm not messing

with the gats clan so anyway she says franny says that she was sitting in the dining room at her computer writing the list of frank's you know i called the deputy i did this all she's doing her things she says she heard a car door slam and outside. She wasn't expecting anyone. So she said she went into the Franny goes into the adjacent storage room and where she could see the driveway from the window. She sees outside that it's Dean Frank's car out there. And she said that she was frightened because she didn't think that he was coming, was going to come over. But if he did, she was pretty sure he was going to attack her. coming what was going to come over but if he did she was pretty sure he was going to attack her okay now uh she said that she thought she she should get back to where she kept her gun

which was on a chair next to where she was sitting working on the computer get back to right next to me that's what i do i like to sit at the computer when i'm doing research and i just just get the biggest gun i can and put it next to me it just makes me feel better when i'm working you know what i mean? You never know, too, because the computer, you know, and it just spins. I might have to shoot it. I could get very angry at it. You never know.

Do you keep all your guns next to you while you type? Yes. It's the only place it should be, right? I'm being honest. I have them. There's always a gun near me in my house. Why? Who are you expecting to come over? I just a lunatic man what's wrong with you

for what i don't know i got no answer that's what's the funny part about it i'm watching netflix on tv i got a fucking nine millimeter on the table why do i do that a house alarm and a lock on the door and everything. Come right next to me. You don't live in a fucking homeless encampment where you're like, they can try to take my asshole at any moment. See the big one? He tries to take my butthole every night. I got an answer for him next time he comes. That's not what's going on.

I got a nice neighborhood. I got three cops on my street. It's fine. I don't know why I'm in my head going, what if someone i'm in so much trouble i'm in my boxers i'm so vulnerable that's amazing so she's got alone james i'm terrified there's no one that's going to attack you never know so jesus christ i got a beautiful picture of my of my children in a little nook right next to the the entryway of the house right behind that picture is a guy just in case it's a good place for it like beautiful kids right there and then a menacing firearm right behind that's hilarious

that is hilarious there's people in other countries listening going what the fuck like english people going but okay the worst part is that i fucking hate guns i know i know in this state it's crazy but lunatics have guns and i gotta be i know you don't you don't want to have them i understand i know you did it's a fuck you. I understand. I know you do. It's a weird thing, dude. Well, she's got them, too, though. Anyway, she hangs out, got it back to the computer. She says as she returned to her chair, she saw Frank in the doorway between the kitchen and the dining room.

So, wow, he came right in. Now, apparently, Dean had told Franny that he brought some groceries over. That's what he was there for. So she instructed him to put them in the refrigerator, obviously. Yeah. You know, duh. Nice. So Franny says that, you know, Frank was walking around at that time toward the refrigerator and then suddenly had the groceries and all that and

then changed his mind about putting the eggs in the fridge and whirled around at her screaming from what she says quote i'm going to fucking kill you out of nowhere yeah just i got some groceries but you don't ever eat them i mean i'm tired of doing this shit no omelets for you so uh yeah she says that she was sure that dean frank said i'm tired of doing this shit no omelets for you so uh yeah she says that she was sure that dean frank said i'm going to kill you because you know that would have fit the situation of someone charging at her whatever she said but i he said i'm something kill you but i think she said i'm going to that's what she says there so uh yeah this is amazing. Basically, she only said now this is what she says now. Afterwards, she got a different story.

Now, she then says that Frank Dean Frank lunged toward her, just lunged at her and that all she could do barely had time to grab the three fifty seven she had on the chair next door. It's a lot of gun. That's a farm lady gun. 357 she had on the chair next door. That's a lot of gun. That's a farm lady gun. She said she pointed it at Frank with both hands, which you'd have to. Otherwise, you'd fucking be behind you when you're done shooting it if you're not used to shooting one of those things.

If you want to get two rounds off, you better put two hands on it. And she said, she said, uh-huh. That's what she said, uh-huh, that's what she said. And she said that when Frank didn't stop moving toward her, she rapidly fired all six rounds in the.357. Oh, that's too many. That's a lot. I don't know how she'd ever have hearing again, number one. Oh, she shot him on the ground then. We'll talk about it.

There's no way she got him all six of those on the way down. She said that although the shots stopped him she quote couldn't stop pulling the trigger so she aimed the last shots down and away from him because she just wanted to empty the gun i don't know what that is it's you know once it goes you just can't stop it's a momentum thing jimmy that's how it works i don't know if you know anything about science until it clicks but apparently uh once you click it once your finger has a yeah it's a it's a physiological thing it's weird keeps coming back a doctor will explain it we're not the ones who can explain that to you so yeah she said that uh yeah she rapid fired all of that uh now 5 20 to 5 30 p.m is when two high school boys that were hitting golf balls at a nearby farm

testify later on that they heard two to three shots at this point. They placed the time of the shots between 5.20 and 5.30 p.m. and this was a few minutes after one of the boys had seen a car turn into Franny's driveway. So they continued hitting golf balls until about six, but neither of them heard any other shots, they said. So they heard two or three shots, and that's it.

So from 5.20 to six o'clock, only two to three shots were fired, basically, here. Because if they heard those, they'd have heard all of them. It's a.357. Those things are fucking loud. Boy, don't, boy, yeah.

And if you're in open space, if you're in a farmhouse surrounded by nothing, and you're in the next you will fucking hear that 357 for two counties over that is so fun they're so loud oh they're so loud it's like a pop a nine millimeter and then it's got a fucking like it's got a report it's got a huge report afterwards it sounds like it's getting like a it's they're crazy like thunder cracks it's yeah that's exactly it's getting like a it's they're crazy. It's like a thundercrack. It's yeah, it's exactly what it sounds like. So, yeah, they're doing that. Now, the sheriff log of the calls indicates that Franny called at 535 to report the shooting.

So that's a little bit afterwards. Deputies arrived at the farm at 625. That's how long shit takes to get places there. Oh, he's never getting a doctor. 625. That's how long shit takes to get places there. Oh, he's never getting a doctor. 625. That's crazy. Now, she at that point said that she didn't mention anything about I'm going to kill you at this point to the police. She just said that she heard Frank made a noise and lunged toward her. So she was scared and emptied the six cannon fucking shots at him a jumpy one i would

say yeah she should have a smaller caliber she's gonna be that jumpy then again if she had like a nine millimeter she'd emptied out all 16 shots of them i was one of the chambers so it's gonna take a while some pistols have a 24-round magazine i got a banana clip on this one hold on a minute it's gonna take a while I can't help it. I have to empty it all. So they got there at 625. They were let in the house by Franny. They found Dean Frank lying on the floor in the computer room and a pool of blood on the floor. Obviously, if you're shot with a.357, that's going to leave some holes in you.

That'll open you up. To the left of Frank's head were words written in blood on the floor written in blood on the floor next to his head the words appeared to say self-defense is what the word said written in blood on the floor next to his head this just got kooky yeah it's it gets way kookier jimmy this is just the tip of the iceberg here uh says self-defense uh there's a second word uh they said although the second word was difficult to make make out they're pretty sure it was defense it was self was definitely the first word and they got the def out of it and then it gets a little sloppy because you know someone was shot with a 357 allegedly here that wrote this i understand that anybody who's paid attention to the media

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by joining Wondery Plus and the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts. and confessed to officially killing up to 28 people. With a touch of humor. I'd just like to go ahead and say that if there's no band called Malevolent Deity, that is pretty great. A dash of sarcasm and just garnished a bit with a little bit of cursing. This mother f***er lied. Like a liar. Like a liar.

And if you're a weirdo like us and love to cozy up to a creepy tale of the paranormal. Or you love to hop in the Wayback Machine and dissect the details of some of history's most notorious crimes, you should tune in to our podcast, Morbid. Follow Morbid on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to episodes early and ad-free by joining Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts. So, yeah, this was, by the way, to the left of frank's head this was found and he is right-handed okay so that not where you would write probably unless you couldn't move your right hand all you could move is your left hand because you've been you know hit with a hand cannon or unless you roll over and do it with the right hand that's possible uh problem is no blood at all was

found on frank's right hand but there uh there was blood noted on his left hand. Now, deputies around here also found a note in an open suitcase nearby. All right. With the words in it reading, quote, I love Fran, self-defense and Dean, each written twice. And the words, quote, Fran, I love i love you written once what's happening so he wrote all that allegedly twice and it's on this note and fran i love you once okay very strange now a deputy asks fran what frank had been shot with and she handed him a fully loaded cult python 357 that's a badass That was a big fucking mean gun.

It's a big silver one. Oh, yeah, yeah. She said that she reloaded the weapon while she called the sheriff's department to report the shooting. Because, you know, when the cops come, it's important to have loaded.357 around. It's always the best course of action, obviously, in your house when you're a suspect for something like a shooting that you said you did. I mean, I got the one guy, but just in case case somebody never knows and now my gun's unloaded he's like christmas stories like you never know though i need my red rifle red rider bb gun they could be coming over the walls at me i would have that thought though because i'm a lunatic i'd be like

well this thing's useless if somebody else comes in so i've got to reload it and you would think not the odds are probably once in a lifetime this would happen. But it could happen twice in 15 minutes, I think, right? That's possible. Before the police get here. He could have a pal coming through. So now when the police get there, Frank is still alive. They determine he is still alive.

An hour after the shooting. An hour after the shooting. Deputies requested assistance from the rescue squad obviously they get there of the ambulance and everything hour later 45 minutes later uh franny at that point is sitting on the arm of the chair beside next to frank just smoking a cigarette hanging out just fucking i don't know you might want to do something about this corpse on my floor that's what i picture um in response to questioning franny states that she did not know where she shot frank or how many times i don't know he's just all full of holes i don't know there's blood everywhere got a light yeah i'm

out of camels honey i gotta go to the store quickly can i make a run so uh now these rescue squad members they say that frank was lying on the floor on his left side in the fetal position, knees drawn up to his chest, and he was biting on a pillow and moaning. What? You know, because he's dying in horrible pain from being shot. A bag containing a package of lunch meat was found underneath his side. So he's got some cold cuts with him. Which is, how many times do we have a murder and the guy's lying on top of cold cuts i don't think that's ever happened before there's several firsts in this story this is getting weirder and weirder i mean

have blood written in notes cold cuts pigs what the fuck is happening the lady that cares about animals why she got ham well he's got like yeah well he's got it so now when they in response to questioning frank tells the medical people quote just leave me alone and let me die so he is beyond he's he doesn't want to survive he's in trouble yeah uh they said frank's condition deteriorated rapidly after that and he was unable to respond verbally thereafter so uh yeah they a preliminary examination by the medical people revealed two abdominal wounds and a back wound a back wound shot in the back yeah two to the front one to the back one of the abdominal wounds was bleeding profusely i bet they were all going pretty good but one of them was especially bad apparently they probably

did none of them this one actually closed up on its own. This one's all healed. All healed. He's got good clotting time, this guy. Only needs a doctor for two of these. Jesus Christ. By 630, though, Frank had no discernible blood pressure, pulse, or respirations and was totally unresponsive. They tried to do CPR, and it was unsuccessful, and he's pronounced dead at 7 p.m. four minutes after the rescue squad arrived. So, I mean, it took till till 656.

So it took an hour and a half after he got shot before he was seen by medical personnel. Otherwise, he would have probably lived. I mean, if you lived for an hour and a half, if they got you in and you probably would have been fine. You know, I don't know. I'm not a doctor, but the chances are much better chance. chance much better chance talking to police officers an hour and some change after being shot yeah pretty good chance you can survive 15 minutes after i would say so franny is taken into custody as a material witness just to you know they got to get a full statement from her even if it's self-defense clear cut as she's saying it's a case of self-defense you have to

get a statement you can't just go like all right we'll clean it up and have a good night like you know all right there make sure to keep it loaded in case somebody else comes you're going to court either way either way yeah you got something to talk about she commented several times to a deputy that it quote did not turn out like on tv she says to a deputy no tv it looks the best that's how they want it to look you've been in a car accident did your car explode of course it doesn't look the same it would have been way cooler i've been in a lot of car accidents my car never exploded that would have been a good picture afterwards you know people always put their post their pictures online like there it is burst into flames so uh sheriff eisenbeest testifies later on that when he

inquired how franny was standing up under the events of the day how you holding on she responded that it was self-defense and that frank was going to kill her and that frank had made threats to her and that he was going to get the gats boys after her that was where the gats boys come in and she talked to her friend and she said oh i talked to the gats boys mom and she said they're nice boys they're not going to do anything they'll take care of your pig for you they're great so uh franny apparently told the sheriff quote maybe he wouldn't have done anything to me but i've read where women waited too long to defend or protect themselves so she's like i'd rather be safe than sorry if i'm gonna have some guy come in my house and he's gonna you know some fucking weirdo farmhand come try to attack me and i'm gonna

shoot first ask questions later it's a great hypothesis which i mean that sounds reasonable honestly if you're a single woman out here on a farm by yourself in the middle of nowhere who knows what could happen to you what else to buy that gun for that's what i mean so uh she franny expressed hope that the sheriff could maybe test her hands for the presence of blood quote so they don't think i wrote the note in blood why would you even think that we haven't even gotten there yet why we asked you how you're doing how you doing well i'll test my hands because just so you know uh weird she informed the sheriff that frank had written the note in blood just so you know it wasn't me because he wrote it i watched him uh the sheriff testifies later on

that he didn't observe blood on Thompson's hands at the time. Didn't see any on Franny's hands. The autopsy comes in on Frank, revealed a wound from a bullet which entered his left abdomen and exited his back. That's a big exit wound for 357. Two other bullets entered from the back.

So there's two to the back. Two in his back. They mistook an exit for an entrance on one of them here. One entered Frank's right hip, shattering his hip bone and lodging in the bone. Oh, God, Jesus. This is what happened to my cousin. Oh, that's brutal. The other entered his right back, passed through his liver and right lung, and exited through his lower chest, striking his right elbow area.

That just tore him the fuck apart. I don't know that he was going to survive, James. They might have been able to patch up that fucking lung lung because the liver you can put back together they might have been able to patch that lung up if it's one lung they didn't hit his heart yeah so that's what we've heard depends she's so close to though that yeah it's fucked up fact that he lived that long just seems like they could have maybe done i mean who knows what would happen but he would have a chance anyway a fighting chance at it. During the course of this investigation, deputies find three bullet holes in Franny's dining room

floor next to where Frank had been lying. That's no good. That's weird. A path of the bullet was reconstructed by placing rods through the dining room floor in order to determine the angle which the bullets were fired. Obviously, that's a cool job. That's a neat job down. Yeah, that sounds cool. Yeah, that sounds fun.

That's the CSI stuff that's going on. Yeah, that's some cool shit yeah that's a neat job now it's cool yeah that sounds fun the csi stuff that's yeah that's that's some cool shit you wouldn't expect it and you would expect in this case you would expect like then the mayor came over and trampled the crime scene and brought his dog with him and he you know he shit next to where the body was and ruined all the forensic evidence spilled his coffee on the guy's face in this town that's what you'd expect you know what i mean well he was gonna survive and then the the head boiled him alive the district attorney spilled coffee into the wound and it just infected him and he was he went from there it's fucking insane sandwich dripping mustard on the man's chest oh i'm sorry am i dripping mustard christ so the those three

bullets appeared to have been fired from an area in the dining room in in front of the doors to franny's storage room not from the computer desk like she said now franny claimed that she was standing next to her computer when she shot frank like we said no blood was found anywhere in the house except in the immediate area where frank was lying and when uh when the cops arrived, even though Franny will say that Frank moved around quite a bit after being shot, but there's only blood in one concentrated area. Now, Franny admits that there's an ashtray full of cigarette butts,

which could have been hers, she said, on top of a refrigerator in the storage room. They're going to say, were you hanging out in the storage room? And she's like, no, no, it could have been mine. mine i don't know i might have stuck an old ashtray up there who knows is what she's saying here uh this by the way that room was one where you could see the front of the house that's where she went to look she said for frank's car is that storage room the sheriff will say later on that franny told him she heard Frank open the kitchen refrigerator door and she thought he took off his boots in the kitchen. The pictures from the area of the computer room demonstrate that the kitchen area, including the refrigerator, could easily be seen by a person at the computer.

So you didn't have to hear anything. You could just look at him. It's right there. So deputies also found two cans of mace in Franny's bedroom and a loaded 25 caliber handgun under her pillow. That's my girl. She is not fucking around. She is.

Here's the mace first and then buck, buck, buck. Right. She's coming now. Um, yeah. So Jesus Christ, man. No Saturday night special under the pillow. Yeah. Uh, so she, um, uh uh she wrote she writes this uh all the

shit we told you i told you about arthur and everything like that uh she said that uh uh now the sheriff said he got there at 5 35 as well that was actually there now when he when she called the sheriff it was recorded as saying quote i just shot somebody he came in my house he was going to kill me she makes it sound like it's like a stranger. So that's how it's going here. So now back to the to the investigation. This is kind of where stuff starts to come up. When they arrived at the house, though, Deputy Don Henry observed the bullet holes in the floor at the angle that the person would be shooting downward toward the floor.

shooting downward toward the floor. So another deputy examined the crime scene and determined that Frank was hit with multiple rounds there and that the bullet hole angles in the floor indicated that she fired three shots as he lay on the floor. That's what they figured out. Those are there. One of the deputies stated that it appeared to me that those three rounds had indeed missed Mr. Frank because of the fact that there was no blood spatters or blood marking around the entry of the holes to these bullets to the floor. So she was like shooting at him as he was trying to move. And I guess that's what they're saying here.

Deputy Henry observed in the autopsy noted six wounds inflicted on the victim here. That's exit and entrance. The pathologist who performed the autopsy said that two wounds were fatal. I assume the one that went through the liver and the lung. The one that went through the hip is not a good one either. Yeah. Oh, they said that the bullet that entered the right rear of his back and exited the right front part of his abdomen was definitely fatal because the liver was destroyed. It wasn't just a hole.

It was totally destroyed as it passed through the body leaving no chance for survival furthermore they said the bullet entered the left front abdomen and emptor exited the left rear area of his back could also have been a fatal shot because of the damage to one kidney and a bowel god damn it just in bleeding and everything else dr randall x however advised that frank could have probably survived the kidney wound if it had been the only wound, but everything altogether too much. So the autopsy report says he suffered three gunshot wounds. Like we just said, they were during the trial later on. He will say that Frank could have only lived about 10 to 15 minutes after suffering the gunshot wound to the liver and lung.

Hear what I'm saying? Yeah. Not an hour and a half. Yeah. About 15 minutes. shot wound to the liver and lung hear what i'm saying yeah not an hour and a half yeah about 15 minutes and those kids heard three shots yeah and there's six shots fired right so sometime between calling the cops yeah and the cops getting there some somehow that that shot happened to him doctor basically says there's no way that shot he lasted an hour and a half she blasted the floor and then

waited for him so we don't know so furthermore here according to dr randall frank appeared to survive the wound to the upper left abdomen for some time thus he believed the three gunshots wounds were not inflicted at the same time and that thompson possibly fired the fatal shot to frank's right back shortly before the sheriffs and rescue personnel arrived. What the fuck? Okay. So, uh,

the Knox County sheriff signed the death certificate saying he died at 7 PM. The remaining portion of the death certificate, which Thomas, this is the, uh, County attorney, John Thomas was responsible for filling out,

indicated the immediate cause of death as multiple trauma due to gunshot wounds to the abdomen and the time interval between the onset cause of death as multiple trauma due to gunshot wounds to the abdomen and the time interval between the onset and the death is an hour 25 because that's what she said said i shot him here and at the time filling out the death certificate at seven o'clock then they had no reason to doubt it she was the one who did it who else would know this is wild this gets even fucking wilder this woman's nuts Well, what the fuck happened? Yeah. Is this guy crazy stalking farmhand? What's going on? Well, we find out that things changed a lot in the summer of 91, around June.

June 16th, 1991, Franny spent the night at Frank's trailer. Okay. According to Franny, what she says, Frank suggested, this is what she says, in a, quote, business-like way that the two could marry and that he could take over the running of the farm so they could pursue organic farming like she wants to. So Franny said she was interested in working her mother's farm and doing an organic thing rather than leasing it out, but she didn't know shit about farming. And Frank knows everything about farming, but he didn't know shit about farming and frank it knows everything about farming but he doesn't have a farm right seems like a good business arrangement this is like a 1800s business arrangement i have what you need i have what you need you have what i need so hey what the hell let's do it let's dowry up and get this shit done you don't like

me i don't like you we'll do it who cares i'm out working on the farm here in the house doing whatever you do we'll figure it out no we'll make some kolaches and we'll fucking worry about it. So now Franny denied that she was interested in marriage or sex with Frank. Okay. She completely denies that to the cops. Never happened. We were never in a relationship. Crazy time.

Yeah. Okay. So they find a note that he has. Yeah. Where he details. Because they'd like to detail everything they fucking do. That's the thing. He's sitting there detailing all the sexual shit they do.

She likes to write notes is the thing. She likes to write notes, receive notes, make notes. So these things tend to stick around is the problem. So they find a note written on Tuesday, June 25th, almost two months before the murder, where Franny wrote Dean Frank telling him that the cost of a certificate of sexual health from the University Health Center would be about $103.28 and that this project could cost him over $200.

Who the hell needs that? She said, this is what she wrote in the letter, quote, Woo. I was hoping to do this all with blood out of my arm. But they insist they have to. This is a capital letters. They insist they have to make you take your clothes off and spread your legs. And you're as why you are, by the way, just to make it annoying. Oh, with a you. Yeah, it's long. Capital letters makes me sick. Well, I'm telling you, if you're going gonna do it uh if i'm telling you this you're

gonna do it too ick ick ick i know this was the idea to make you do it too but i mean you have to take this all the same tests i do that's what she says here this is what she's never been to a gynecologist before no no tests std tests they're gonna have to see because she wants to test him and they said well we'll both get tested so she was clearly interested in a sexual relationship with him she's going to get tested for it uh she said that uh basically franny was saying that you know maybe uh she thinks that he's been around a little bit is the thing here then later on in the day uh she writes another letter to him continuing where she says quote I just reread what I wrote yesterday. And I bet I know how you're reacting to it.

Bet you're thinking something paranoid like, gee, she sounds like she wants to back out. Uh, damn it. I'm quite nicely giving you every opportunity to back out. You don't have to look for double meanings in what I write. So if you want to back out, fine, but not me. Whatever. So they asked her, what out, fine, but not me, whatever. So they asked her, what did you mean by any of this? Like, what's going on?

So she said, I was trying to give him a chance to back out, hoping he would take it because I didn't want to get married. I didn't want to get involved in any sexual relationship at all. I didn't want him to think and figure out what I was really thinking. I didn't want him to know. And had I never told him that, that I wasn't, that I just wasn't interested in him sexually. I didn't come out and tell him that I was giving him an opportunity to back

out, but I didn't tell him why I wanted him to take it. That's not what she said. No, not at all. That's what I, um, she then later on in the letter,

uh, Franny informs Dean that she has changed her mind about going to summer school all summer and has dropped two classes so she could be home from mid-July to late August. She invited him to join her in Lincoln for the 4th of July, also in this. Okay. Come hang out with me in the 4th. There's parties down there, and we'll watch the fireworks. Come hang out with me in the fourth.

You know, there's parties down there and shit. We'll watch the fireworks. So unless she's like trying to imply I have to spread my legs and let them see this icky thing. That's what I mean. It's icky. It's Ugg down there. You don't want to see it. Oh, Ugg, Ugg, Ugg. Oh, boy.

I'll tell you what. What is she trying to say? Oh, it's a goddamn disaster down there. I'll tell you. This is crazy. Oh, boy. So she, he does on July 3rd or 4th 91 one of the two frank goes to lincoln dean does and stays with franny at her duplex until july 9th so they're there for

like together for days staying together yeah you don't do that unless you're in a relationship when both dean and franny left lincoln uh they to Verdigris. The same day, they went to a physician in Verdigris, and he had his blood test done for HIV and syphilis. So that's what they're testing for, the biggies. That's tough for a lady. The lady's got to have her pants down, and the dude's just like, yeah, I can stick my arm. I think you've got to stick a thing up your dick for one of those. Didn't he say blood? Blood for HIV.

Oh, got it. And then they swap the dick? I don't know if they have that sounds awful thank fuck i've never uh been in the yeah that's i've never had that issue no no i'm good yeah thank god fuck yeah that's disturbing i'll make you keep it in your pants so uh now thompson here franny describes this as the first step in considering a serious relationship with Frank. She said that she was concerned about sexually transmitted diseases because she knew that Dean had been engaged in sexual activity with other women. You know, he's 40. So at some point, he's probably had sex with another woman.

I was concerned, you know, because he was an adult and all. Fine. That's fine. You can be concerned. But that's a weird, you know, I think he's been all fine that's fine you could be concerned but that's a weird you know i think he's been with someone else i'm not positive so franny calls the doctor's office for the results of the tests which are negative and drives to atkinson to give frank the results like look i'm clean look at me so franny testified that she was in atkinson

from july 12th through july 15th and that she stayed at Frank's trailer while she's there. They fucked. They're staying the whole time. Oh, yeah. I'm all clean. I'm clean, too. Let's do it. Let's get fucking.

So, now, on Tuesday, July 16th, this is the day after that, Franny started a letter to Frank. Inviting him to accompany her to Chicago for her son's graduation from basic training. Okay. She wrote, quote, I know you don't particularly want to see kid graduate, but think about it. Yes, you do. If he does graduate, he'll leave me alone for four whole years. This is her son.

Yeah. She calls him kid. Kid. You'll be so happy for me. Yeah. How much? What is this kid? Just a shit to have around

thanks mom uh it's like bird box boy and girl yeah how's it kid kid so strange that's his name capital nobody capital k so it might be his name his name steven oh yeah she just calls him kid i don't know why she does that hey kid i don't know there's no other kids around i guess i don't know it's a weird thing to do you'll be so happy for me that my child won't be around i'm finally free of his fucking so wow she also wrote quote i put way too much energy into agonizing over letting sex back into my life guess it ain't uh guess it ain't for you but for me it was the biggest change in my lifestyle imaginable how much does she hate sex well she said apparently she did hate sex but now she's like it was a big deal for me to go in there

now later on she writes another letter to him saying that she had something a little more fun to write about oh but that it was too personal to put in a letter she informed frank that she had learned about something uh quote that could be called selfish sex at a california sex clinic and she thought it was quote neat she found out about masturbation i think she found out about fucking dildos and vibrators and shit it could be called selfish sex at a california sex clinic and she thought it was quote neat i found the neatest it's real neato when I jam one of these in my vag. I'll tell you what. I'll tell you what.

Nothing nater. You know how I hate sex with you? I found a way that I really love it. That went a strum-mock now. She thought it was neat. She promised to tell Dean all about it on Saturday. And then she signed the letter, hugs dot dot dot stuff so hugs and this crazy sex shit i'm going to show you that i'm real excited about hugs and morse code because

that's what this taps out it's a tap tap tap that's diddle diddle diddle that's what that's you know how it goes so he jesus christ so franny's back in atkinson again on july 22nd now around this time franny told frank that she wanted to meet his ex-wife and his children he's got children and an ex-wife and everything now according to franny this is just according to franny frank became quote very angry and very upset at the request and said he did not want franny meeting them which she said made her suspicious yeah you know so franny also says that frank began throwing out strange comments about other women around this time she said she believed he's trying to bait her into being jealous because she wasn't reacting to him sexually like exactly like he wanted her to this is what she says he hates vibrators he's like i don't like i just want to plow you i don't care if you lock it now uh she responded by writing two versions of a letter to frank on june 22nd july 22nd jesus

christ with these letters she left one version of the letter at Frank on July 22nd. Jesus Christ with these letters. She left one version of the letter at his trailer where it was found after he died. And then the other version was found at her farmhouse. In the version left at the trailer, Franny accused Frank of, quote, jacking with her. Be like, you're the one jacking with yourself from what I understand. I hear that shit coming from the next room i ain't blind and i don't want to be jacking with you i want to be fucking you yeah jesus i don't like when we jack together this is weird not as fun so she accused him of quote jacking with her bringing up issues that raise questions in her

mind and refusing to answer her questions in regard to other women now in the letter that in that letter uh she refers several times to her jealousy and informed frank that his behavior hurt her and quote goaded her into more jealousy so she's into this relationship she's they're in a relationship there's no she's jealous he's that this is what people do in relationships they're talking about sex right they're in like a fucking relationship so uh she though later on will tell the police that she was not jealous at all of dean because she did not want him and didn't care who wanted him that's what she tells the cops they're like what about this note right that says you're he's quote goading you into more jealousy. Right. Not just into jealousy.

More jealousy. Yeah. Indicating you have some. Yeah, that's the thing. Well, she claims to the cops, well, I'm, quote, guilty of playing a game, is what she said with Dean when she said she was jealous, in the hope that by feeding his ego and, quote, head patting and sucking up, that he would be complimented and then he would straighten up and be more honest that's what she's going for that's some wild that's a that's some kind of theory man that's a big theory why don't you just stop writing and have a fucking talk

have a talk well this is i think when you're getting interrogated about a shooting when you're like well because i that because he did that and because i saw him at the grocery store i figured i should kill his grandma right no they they any therapist will tell you this is some passive aggressive shit and they need to just have a conversation and clear this shit up and or breakups yeah well this is wild this is it gets worse too now franny further will say that she was quote just using the word jealousy for the in place of the word disgust well you know what they mean two very different things you can't use the words for other words that don't mean the same thing that's the thing you can use synonyms in place of words

but if i say i hate you i can't say well i mean to say i like you but i use theonyms in place of words, but if I say I hate you, I can't say, well, I mean to say I like you, but I use the word hate in place of like. These aren't even answers. They're not even answers. These aren't even opposites to where you can muddy the water. No, this is saying I had salad for dinner. I actually had steak, but I said salad for steak. Those aren't the same. They're just different things.

I had apples, but I really ate really ate oranges no you ate different things they're just different so you were jealous you were disgusted she said though but telling someone you're disgusted with them really doesn't get you anywhere and she's hoping that the word jealousy would what in other words i'm not telling him my real feelings and i'm hoping to get what i want even though i'm not telling him my real feelings and i'm hoping to get what i want even though i'm not telling him what i feel or want yeah that's not she's doing nothing for people saying that college makes you smarter seems to be making her way more deluded so uh franny then wrote frank uh that shan franny then wrote frank that he had quote slapped her upside the head with another woman. That's what she wrote to him.

Not actually slapped her, but with another woman, then refused to answer her questions about the other woman. And that quote, nothing could be more viciously calculated to make her worry. Um, later in the letter, she then alluded to another woman, Frank had apparently mentioned. And she says this quote, and that remark last night about some woman's quote stuff all over that sounds gross this is like her junk yeah but she's the some woman's stuff all over just sounds like she's rubbing her crotch on things tits on the sofa believing fucking did a slug come through what the hell's going on what the fuck is all over the counter why are your doorknobs sticky what is happening sorry so

couldn't help it there so uh she said that was in the letter that was doing it again too why do you want to do that to me now i have to wonder what woman, what stuff, where, here? He told me he had a live-in here. What did she look like? Was she prettier than I? Oh, boy. Was she younger? Oh, boy. What kind of competition is she?

Oh, no. Yeah. Oh, the insecurity. When you make me wonder, I wonder. Big time. Capital big, by the way. All three letters. I told you I told I told slash asked you not to talk about other women with me.

But there is something more cruel than that. Even it is bringing them up and making me wonder and worry. Dot, dot, dot. I love you and I want to keep you. Oh, boy. Now, in the other version of the letter, she accuses him of we'll talk about he accuses her of she accuses him of other stuff uh now fred that she accused him of being like sly and evasive rather than being as aggressive as she is in this one so there are different tones

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah like it because it makes them feel important. Now, Frank's telephone records show that on July 23rd, he made two long-distance calls to Franny's number and talked for 38 minutes one time and 37 minutes another time. Franny says later on that Frank had told her he did not think about the letter she had left in his trailer the previous day and that he had just thrown it in a drawer. That's what she says. Yeah. So a letter which Franny will testify to later

that she wrote on July 23rd was found in his trailer and it contained four paragraphs which according to the letter were added after Thompson talked to Dean that night. So this is like she continued the letter later after she talked to him and it goes a little something like this. Oh no.

She started with one emotion, talked to him and continued with a little something like this oh no she started with one emotion oh yeah talk to him and continued with another there's a different one here so i tried to communicate with you and you quote threw it in a drawer that's what she says this is definitely a relationship like this is not oh yeah this is uh oh boy and it's been happening for a while. That's what I'm worth to you. Oh, boy. I remember these texts. We're two guys who've been divorced. So that's what I'm worth to you is always going to come up in a divorce. So I guess I was ready for that.

I had written this. I had written this. I had written this. Yes, I had this written yesterday. Like I said, minimum of hard feelings. I don't need you for an enemy. Sure. Sorry. I dot dot dot ruined our friendship.

Dot dot dot. You left. You left shit here. Okay. She's vibing while she writes this. I think so. That's my ellipses. That's what she calls her vibrator ellipses uh i don't think you'll worry too much about it seems you told me you left stuff at bitch's place all over the country i'm just another one now uh now the

following day july 24th tom franny writes a letter to her son informing him that she had a, quote, fatal fight with Frank discussing this fatal fight. This is before the murder. Two weeks before, three weeks before. She said, quote, What was our fatal fight? You wonder. And she capitalizes fatal fight like just the F's. Weird. Oh, it's a long story, kid.

So she does call him kid. I mean, things have been happening since you left mommy was naughty and mommy is paying now that sounds really this is one of the creepiest things i want to tell you but i it'd be weird it'd be super weird so i've been fucking the farm hand right then i got this huge dildo and it vibrates great and i was like you need to fuck me with this and he's like i don't think so and then vibrates great. And I was like, you need to fuck me with this. And he's like, I don't think so. And then we went back and forth. He's like, there's bitches stuff all over.

I was like, it was on the counter. You don't want to tell your kid that for all he's in the Navy. You know, it is. Hey, kid, just want you to know, mommy had her icky parts by a doc. Still icky. So she says, then, quote, come to find out that not only very rich old ladies like grandma need to worry about men romancing them for their money dean was trying to romance me for the money and the farm he thought

i'd have soon so uh she also then speculated of whether dean was going to give her trouble and that he might harm her pet pig he might break in or suggest to others that that fran should be robbed this is what she says in the letter. She comments numerous times about how worried and scared she was, although she admitted that she often, quote, got overexcited about things and overreacted in the letter as well. I know I always get overexcited and overreact, so I could be doing that. But she also referred to the letter. She also referred to a previous relationship here in the letter.

She says, quote quote I remember Ron I remember lots of violence and threats and evil behavior and how stupid I can be and I do expect real problems now from Dean too she stated she was a fool and that her ego was crushed flat she also then concluded by reassuring her son

this is to her son not her therapist not her girlfriend from fucking college not her son she's got her son not her therapist not her girlfriend from fucking college not her son she's got bizarre writing tactics get a friend yeah get a fucking friend your kid doesn't need to worry about this while he's in the fucking navy right his problem he's gonna go out there and defend the country while worrying about mom at home fuck me don't worry about me now she says after all that shit passive-aggressive as fuck remember i may whine and cry but i i is a tough old lady and a damn good shot too so that's something so on july 25th this just keeps going here franny was in uh

jed licka's hardware store jed licka's hardware hank store that's what it's called jed licka's hardware hank jed licka and Hardware Hank. Okay. Great. At this time, she purchased 357 shells and inquired about the type of hardware needed to hold a 2x4 inch board against a door to secure it. The owner of the hardware store will later say that he did not have the type of brace requested by her, and he referred her to a welder that could make this metal brace for her. So Franny will say that she had brackets made for an entry doorway sometime in July or August. The brackets and a 2x4 inch board

were found in place on one of Thompson's doors the day Frank was killed. Yeah, like a slide that goes in front of it. Exactly, like old school like you're like you're defending a fort right you're defending a barn the only time you ever see it is when people like put it on a barn yeah like cowboys are trying to keep the sheriffs out of the barn as

they figure out how to regroup and are we gonna have a shootout or give it up so on july 28th franny and dean went to a state park together okay a state conservation officer visited briefly with them as they were leaving and he'll later say that franny was sitting in the middle of the front seat of the car next to frank when they drove away not on the bench seat next to him not over in the passenger side that's 50 snuggling yeah yeah that's country song uh down a dirt road yeah get comfy girl because i'm gonna try to finger you that's right here in the car yeah watch out for the bumps oh that one bumps will get you huh now that's too close for this yeah that same day dean gives franny 300

for her upcoming trip to chicago she's got a chicago trip to see her son graduate from boot camp there because he's clearly in this for the money clearly obviously and for the money he's giving her money so freddie then will say that frank was being pushy that day on the issue of marriage and that she told him that she would not marry him she claims that she could not remember frank's word in response to her rejection of him but if his statement reminded her of an old saying but his statement reminded her of an old saying of her mother's to the effect of if I can't have you, nobody else will. Meaning if you don't marry me, I'll kill you. That's what she said. He said August 1st.

Franny flies to Chicago to see her son graduate from Naval boot camp. Their phone records indicate that Franny called Frank collect five times during her four day visit in the Chicago area. Collect, collect conversations lasting between nine and 26 minutes. So they like to talk, clearly. They stay in contact. Yeah. Now, Franny gets back on August 4th. On the way home, Franny stops and telephones Dean's ex-wife, Betty.

Betty Frank is involved in this now. So Betty Frank said that Franny told her that she and Frank were planning on getting married. She stopped at a fucking phone to call his ex-wife to make sure to tell him that they were getting married. That's wild. They're getting married, and she said she wanted to get better acquainted and to discuss with her visitation rights with the kids. She said she was just trying to make a, you know, I'd like to make all of us get along and have a nice you know thing here for your kids so this is responsible that's responsible that looks good that's what people should do but it's clearly she's clearly intending on marrying him yeah she's talking to the ex-wife about visitation no question she's in the family at that point

so uh but later on uh she says that she uh she'll say that she no longer wanted to discuss visitation rights at the time she called. And that the real purpose was to gather information to find out if Frank meant his threat to kill her the previous week. But Betty refused to meet with Franny and hung up on her is what she says. What would Betty know? So I mean, Betty doesn't know shit. So she returned to the farm and she called Frank and talked to him for over an hour and a half. I assume complaining that the ex-wife hung up on her when she's like, I don't know. I fucking divorced her.

I don't like her. I did something. I never have to have that phone call again. Christ. So August 5th, Franny contacts Dolores Fisher, who is a who is Frank's old girlfriend. We talked about before the Oh, the beer nap lady. The beer nap, yeah. She lives in Atkinson and arranged to meet with Franny,

and so Franny and Dolores are going to meet that day. Franny says that she told Dolores that once he was drunk, or I'm sorry, Dolores told Franny that he was drunk, Frank had threatened to slit Fisher's throat. That's what Franny says. So when Frank Dean calls Franny that night, she called him a dirty name and hung up on him. That's what she said.

So August 5th, Franny writes to her son explaining that she had been flirting, had not been flirting with Frank when she called him from Chicago, but that she was merely postponing because if she could keep Frank hoping, he would not harm her home or her pet pig. So she said she would not.

Then she said she would not allow Frank to come over and fix her pig's irrigation pipe, even though he wanted to. She also wrote to her son that she might have, quote, blown her front by refusing to see Frank that evening, but that she could not bear to have frank drooling and weeping on her she also wrote that frank quote had a face like a drowning rat quote who could stand it without vomiting wow is she schizophrenic like is she a multiple personalities that's what she said who could stand it without puking he's gross if somebody told me i had a face of a drowning rat i would be demolished and i i can't stand it without vomiting unbelievable then later on in the letter she admitted to her son

that she also did kiss frank and stuff so i fuck her she fucks him she stomachs it for a minute yeah she also reiterated her belief that frank was interested in the money she might inherit from her mother rather than quote wanting her body as she originally had thought. You know, I thought it was all me, but I guess it's money. She was pleased that that she she called herself. She said the honor student had figured this out before Frank took her for anything, even though it had taken her a month to do so. She also wrote in reference to Frank. Then she said to the contrary she wrote i took him he's

been spending a lot of money on me this last month serves him right my single biggest take was the 300 he gave me to fly to chicago sucker that's what she wrote to her son if i'm this kid i'm like my mother's deranged i don't even want her letters this is crazy he didn't enlist in the in the navy to get away from her yeah anything. Anything for four years of freedom. Maybe I can get to Iraq someday. No, it's not going to happen for a while. It's desert storms. Shit.

That one's not. Damn it. Not enough people are dying there. All right. Well, okay. Where is it dangerous? Send me to Bosnia. Send me somewhere.

Sarajevo sounds nice. Beautiful this time of year. It's better than vertigree. So Franny told her son that the reason she was afraid of Frank was because Frank would be pissed when he figured out that she would that he was getting nothing from her. She thought that he might be able to figure things out with, quote, with his half a brain. She hates him. She hates him. However, she concluded, quote, he's a liar and a user and a fool in capital

letters and i ain't that scared of him i'll just sleep with my 357 tonight dot dot dot grin is what she writes yeah that gets her horny in the grand sleeping with 357 so on august 6th, Franny returns to Jedlicka's Hardware Hank and exchanges a box of.357 Max shells suitable for a rifle for a box of.357 Magnum cartridges for her revolver. She fucked up with the wrong ones. On August 6th, she wrote a letter to a friend in Omaha discussing Dolores Fisher. Franny wrote that she had concluded after meeting and talking to Fisher that Fisher still cared about Frank and still wanted, quote, to do him. She wants to do him. I swear. You know, Dolores.

This made her, quote, dislike Fisher. Yeah. She wrote to her. It's always a Dolores. She wrote to her friend, but she could see Fisher's. She wrote to her friend that she could see Fisher's weakness and loneliness and has and could see someone having pity on her. She also wrote in the same letter. She refers to Dean Frank as a, quote, classic sociopath.

What? Hi, Kettle. I'm pot. Awful nice shade of black you got there. What the fuck are we talking about? Well, what? Fascinating. We both make tea.

Isn't that wild? Jesus Christ. She wrote that, quote, Frank's mistake was being a false friend to an intelligent and non-desperate lady. That's right. August 7th, Dean wrote Franny a letter, which stated, quote, You went downtown, gotten a good argument with people and got slapped around. Excellent exclamation point. Too bad you got beat up.

I told you my past is dead. Now it's gone, too. You're literally into the wrong world. If you believe others, I told you the truth. Love, Dean. So apparently she went down and somebody and some woman she went down to confront some woman about dean and he's this woman apparently slapped the shit out of her so franny got slapped around in town literally in the wrong world in the wrong world now on august 8th uh franny wrote

fisher a letter in which she admitted spending the night with frank on sunday june 16th but denied that she quote took any of her clothes off okay she's like i fucked him with my clothes on why would she tell him dolores this for dolores doesn't care now franny was aware that fisher had spent the night with frank in his trailer on saturday on a saturday night in june perhaps the previous night to thompson's visit so creepy he's fucking multiple women here she made the following comments about her relationship with Frank. Quote, you see what happened. Dean started telling me after after that, he loved me so much that he hadn't been screwing anyone else at all for months.

And I was stupid enough to believe that. So I didn't know he was seeing you then. Or I sure wouldn't have let him waste my time and backstab you by putting that snow job on me. When I want a houseboy, I'll hire one. I won't have someone pretending to be my friend come sucking up to me and lying to get my money. Oh, boy. So he's got a telephone bill. Frank does.

Dean, that says on August 10th, he called Franny at 640 p.m. And they talked for 213 minutes. That was a fucking conversation. Not a lot of smiles in that conversation. That's a three and a half hour conversation. Jesus. Now, Franny says later on that she doesn't remember that conversation really well,

but that she was just giving Frank the opportunity to talk for three and a half hours. Not a lot of guys will sit and spew their fucking guts for three and a half hours. Considering there's like two letters he wrote and a hundred she wrote, it seems like she's the talker in this relationship. I'm not sure. She doesn't remember that conversation very well. Three and a half hours of your day.

That's a lot. A quarter of your day was spent on the fucking phone. A shitload. So on August 11th, Dean Frank was at Franny's farm where he fixed the irrigation pipe and moved a refrigerator. Franny says that she told Frank on that day never to come back to her farm. And that Dean wrote out a piece of paper giving Franny all his property, which he had stored on her farm, including a 1973 Ford pickup. Yeah. Wrote it out.

It's all yours. We always give those away. I do. All the time. The document and the title to the pickup were found in Franny's kitchen after Frank was killed Jesus Christ

did he make her did she make him do this like at gunpoint what the fuck is that what happened or did she shoot him and go out to the truck and pull it out of the glove box

that's what I mean it'd be like fill this fucking thing out sign it over I don't know or I'll kill you I don't know what the fuck

August 12th Monday Franny wrote to her son that she quote took a chance by letting frank come over to help her she was willing to take a chance because she knew male psychology quote men are too stupid to ever give up so you know how many relationships my mom has told me about fucking zero zero yeah you shouldn't know about stuff and she just right now let me tell you another thing. She's writing them letters. I'm in the Navy. Leave me alone.

So having been rebuffed by Betty Frank when she tried to talk to her on August 4th, she then wrote Betty Frank a letter dated August 13th. In that letter, she said that her original purpose in contacting Betty had been to meet her because Thompson and Frank had planned to be married. However, she stated, stated quote amazing how quickly things can change the engagement is off and Franny told Betty that that Dean had been lying

to her a lot and she questioned and she questioned her about what might happen next then she says quote how violent is he he threatened to kill me if I wouldn't marry him but I think that's a standard threat standard threat marry me or I'll kill think that's a standard threat standard threat no it's not marry me or i'll kill you that's so romantic thank you very standard but you know you get down on one

knee you threaten to kill him you know how it goes you know how marriage is please tell me if i should everything or nothing yeah and how much worry about retaliation from him no one would know that better than you i think at least you are still alive and that's encouraging what jesus saturday august 17th day before the big event here franny wrote a letter to her son in which he stated that frank had been calling her all week but she had not told him what she really thought of him she said quote this girlfriend of his that i met in atkinson apparently smacked the shit out of her too told me that he got all drunk before and threatened to slit her throat. And Mrs. Boham told me a few days ago

that he used to beat his wife all the time when they lived out here. I don't want that psycho around. I bought a new box of 357 shells and I'm going to load up and practice some this afternoon! I bought a new box of .25 caliber shells a while back and if I can find it i'll give the

little guy some exercise too wow you know where you put your ammo yeah jesus now a resident of a farm about a quarter mile away says that he heard shots which sounded like someone target shooting target practice in the yard over there on saturday august 17th so she's getting her shit going. It sounded to him as if two different calibers of guns were being used because one group of shots was louder than another. .357 and.25 sound way different. She found the box.

She found them. So that evening, Frank calls Franny at 7.06 p.m. They talk for 51 minutes. He called again at 10.12. They talk for 16 minutes. At 10-43, Franny calls the Knox County Sheriff's Office and reports to

Don Henry, the chief investigator, a threatening phone call she had received. She says that Henry, the deputy, says that Franny called and said that she'd argued earlier in the week and that Frank had just called and threatened to send the Gatsboys out to her place. Not the Gatsboys! Oh with disease oh they coming we know oh we know them the gats

boy they're famous around these parts so uh franny also told henry that dean was angry because she refused to marry him and that dean had previously threatened her henry will say that testify later the deputy that franny was very calm and matter of fact on the telephone and that she did not request that he come out and that he advised her to tape record future threatening conversations so uh frank's records dean's records on the phone show he called thompson at 105 a.m on august 18th and they talked for 13 minutes she didn't hang up on him now franny testifies that frank screamed things at her threatening to slit her throat for checking on him shoot her truck full of holes with her in it

burn her house and butcher her pig it's a lot of threats however though franny also testified that she didn't believe frank was an immediate threat because he sounded quote drunk out of his mind and she believed he was at least two hours away in Atkinson. So Frank called again at 7.08 a.m. Jesus, this guy doesn't sleep. Franny claims that he repeated his threats, this time in a calm and quiet voice. Because it's morning. Frank's telephone records indicate the call lasted two minutes,

although Franny testified that it seemed like, quote, Frank had said nasty him to her for a much longer time than two minutes the uh so he called up real early squinty eyed i think i told you i was gonna burn your house did not tell you that kill everybody i'm gonna do it all murder your pig i'm making bacon i mean it okay bye so then it's five hours later 12 something p.m that she calls the sheriff's department uh to report the threatening phone calls that's how we started with this she calls she writes on her computer i call deputy waterman at 12 22 noon that's where we started on this so uh we're back to that part here so um now jesus christ fucking disaster she uh she uh she gets to telling the cops all this she's insisting that he was charging her that he was you know threatening her and uh charging her and

she couldn't stop pulling the trigger so they charge her based on this with first degree murder because once they found all the letters they're like because she's like we don't have any relationship i don't know what you're talking about and they're like well we found all these letters and she's like well i was kind of lying to him saying that we were gonna get married because i was afraid of him and the thing and blah there it's a little ridiculous you read the letters they're in a fucking relationship yeah she's they're together come on yeah so uh she uh is charged with first degree murder and use of a firearm to commit a felony in the killing of frank uh they let her out on bail awaiting trial you can

let her out she's fine she's good you know she's not dangerous she goes to school and stuff you know it goes got a pig her pig needs to be fed so pre-trial here the district court denies her motion for recusal of the county attorney uh which the motion alleged that he was a potential defense witness which he wasn't on may 26 92 she moved for discovery of reports and documented documents regarding frank's death prepared by the county attorney basically because the county attorney is also the county coroner in this town in this county because it's small right so basically that's around the census man yeah she's saying that the the prosecutor can't prosecute her because he's the coroner

and that she's going to call him as a witness because he wrote on the paper that it took Frank an hour and a half to die, and these cops are trying to say that I shot him later. Even though he didn't know that yet, he was just writing based on what he was told. There was no examination autopsy yet to know when the fuck anything happened. It's pointless either way. So either way, she's in deep shit.

Either way, the prosecuting attorney, can he be called as a witness? He can, right? If he's in another capacity, yeah. If he's a county coroner and he was there.

So it's very confusing. This is why small town shit is fucking weird. You need one person for each job. You can't have one person doing multiple important jobs you just can't i'm sorry the shit like this happens so now at trial franny admits that dean had been a perfect gentleman for six years never abused her didn't do anything uh she claims that sharon boham had told her of multiple incidents of Frank beating his wife.

However, Boham testifies in court that she had told Franny that she had only heard of one incident which she referred to as hearsay in which Frank had allegedly shoved his ex-wife. Not he beat her constantly. One time someone told someone who told someone who told me that he shoved her. That's way different from he constantly beat the shit out of her you know it shouldn't shove anybody either way but you know they were drunk they made it they may have just said he loved her i don't know who the fuck knows yeah jesus christ and this goddamn shit so frank's ex-wife by the way denied at trial that frank that dean had ever physically abused her so thompson told everybody that that this ex-wife

directly told her of physical abuse which she didn't uh then um also uh as did dolores fisher frank's former girlfriend both testified that dean became verbally abusive and threatening only when he had been drinking that's when he but he never does anything he just runs his mouth basically sits in a chair and mutters. And he's like, you goddamn fucking bitch and shit and goddamn bullshit. I'll kick your fucking ass. And then he's like sleeping five minutes later. He's one of those assholes.

So Dean's blood alcohol content upon autopsy was.000. Oh, hasn't that a drop? Not a drop. The pathologist testified that there would have been very little decrease in blood alcohol content from the time he died to the time of autopsy because the process the defense is like well i mean he's bleeding all that blood alcohol out wouldn't that make a difference and they're like no it's just whatever's in the sample it doesn't matter how much he loses or that doesn't matter that's the thing about blood alcohol it's uniform

all across just take a little and however much is in that little bit. That's how much is in the rest of it. Pretty cool. We don't need to check all of it. We need like a drop of it. Really drunk bloods in the floorboards. Yeah, that's what that's drunk blood. So Francis here, Franny testifies. She testifies to this whole deal.

She testifies described her relationship with Frank as one of friendship. She said that Frank was a perfect gentleman to her the first six years before the killing. She had one time she had rebuffed one of his passes as soon as they became acquainted back in 85. He was like, hey, you want to go out sometime? Or just when they met and she said, no, thanks. I'm interested and never came up again. Perfect gentleman. On June 16th, 91, Franny says she spent the night at Frank's trailer.

And according to her, Frank suggested that they, you know, in a business-like way, they get married and pursue organic farming and all of that. But she said that she was never interested in marriage or sex with Frank. Now, she couldn't even remember the words of one threat which she claimed Frank made to her in person. She admitted at trial that she did not understand what he said just before she shot him. Well, didn't she said, I might have said, I'm going to kill you. I don't know. But you know how people, they talk and you just shoot. You just fire off six shots for a.357 before you don't go, huh?

You know how it works. She wrote to her son that she was not scared of Frank. No one else they could find anywhere testified to being aware of any threats made by frank against her or anyone else in in the towns or any of these towns uh she claimed she was frightened of dean and what he might do to her uh and she was in an unlocked house when for when dean frank arrived at the farm so she's like you know i'm a scared single woman been the house unlocked by myself she said at trial although one of her doors could not be locked from the inside it could be secured from the outside which is kind of pointless and

i guess if you have a key lock i suppose and one could then enter the house and secure the second door from the inside however she claimed that this never occurred to her to do that because you know you'd rather just sit and be in fear rather than figure out how to lock your doors. That's what I do. I don't know how that works. I just leave it open. Hope nobody kills me. Right. Well, you secure your entire house and sit on the couch with a gun.

That's it. Sit there holding a 357 waiting for friends to come through the door. There's lighting. Yep. So she said that they are. The court said that she had available non lethal means to repel Frank's attack, but declined to use them. She shot a man a total of three times, twice in the back, because she said also not only did he say something, he was carrying something, which turned out to be a sack of cold cuts. He had lunch meat in his hand.

He had salami in his hand. He was putting this in the fridge, and she, what's that? He he was gonna come over and kill her with salami in his fucking hand that's what he was gonna do hold on let me put this roast beef down so i can kick it no i feel like she said can you come here and look at this and he said what's going on before he put it in the fridge you're gonna pound your head in with this it's weird just fucking pow pow You like that? You like that? That's oven roasted turkey. Play that fucking smoked shit. It's a boat way. What the fuck?

So they said, although he lay bleeding on the floor for almost an hour before help arrived, Franny did not know how many times she shot him. The only assistance she had rendered in an hour was to put a pillow under his head and give him a glass of water. What a fucking, what a princess there. What a what a prince and she's a woman so princess finally uh she also uh uh she stated to the sheriff maybe he wouldn't have done anything to me but i read where women waited too long to defend or protect themselves so um wow uh they basically say she was not there's no indication she was in danger of death or bodily harm or really anything he was carrying groceries he brought her food right that's not a usual

killer it's like i'm gonna bring you a bunch of food and then kill you right that's why why i'm gonna put it away in your fridge and then kill you right here's turkey i know you know you won't eat it though because you're gonna die like that's i've got my boots off it's weird that's what i mean that's not killer mentality exactly um so the yeah they're saying that you know it just doesn't seem but she she's saying it was uh it's you know i i was scared for my life and all this now the jury find out what they say uh but before the jury comes back the night before the verdict arthur dies oh no arthur dies apparently arthur had gotten very sick. Yeah.

And basically, she had a decree to her people there that if she was put in prison, as soon as she was put in prison, someone's going to euthanize Arthur because no one's going to take care of him. So, or her, I should say. So, apparently, this day, she said she was going to have to do it, but she went looking for him, and he had died out in the field on his own because he had been sick for a couple of months well that's what happens when you kill the man that's been taken care of yeah that's the problem he's been he's been dead because this is august 19th 1992 is the verdict so almost exactly a year later so this pig who knows if he hasn't even eaten in a year who knows if she's been taking care of it so the next day though arthur's just eating random shit on the farm i don't know what is that fuck it so they're eating half a ford by now he's eating the 73 pickup that he left behind so uh this comes in the verdict comes in august 19th and the jury finds franny thompson guilty

yeah first degree murder and use of a firearm to commit a felony sentencing comes around and uh the judge is not too thrilled with her her back and forthing and jiving and juking and jiving on this shit trying to get out of it yeah trying to and and cheesily too not even like with a coherent thing it's like well sort of maybe maybe i was tricking him maybe it's weird so he says uh you ma'am may fuck off uh for the murder life in prison yeah for that and then for the firearm offense 10 years okay for that one so life plus 10 years she's got here all right now a couple of crazy things come up in the appeals we got to talk about quickly here uh one of the things is she said that uh basically that uh you know she should have been allowed to present more of a self-defense you know they she tried to bring up her assault report basically

but then the prosecution's like yeah but you weren't assaulted by anyone so you can't just bring up a thing that you wrote that says assault report and say see i was assaulted no one hit you right no one you didn't even say that before call the police we have paperwork we do yeah you know we do there so uh yeah then she says well it wasn't premeditated there was no malice or anything like that meanwhile she's you know fucking ridiculing all over this the way they put it the prosecution one way in which the jury could infer malice was the defendant felt toward frank is from the defendant's words in her correspondence with others the tone of her letters in discussing frank was contemptuous among other things she referred to him as a fool a sucker and a house boy on several occasions she ridiculed his physical appearance yeah the defendant belittled frank's intellect while referring frequently to

her own superior intelligence and status as a mensa member and an honor student. Calling him a drowned rat. A drowned rat who's also stupid. The jury could also infer from the defendant's acts in the days preceding the killing as well as the day of the killing that she killed Frank intentionally and with malice. The day after she had written her son about a fatal fight with Frank

is when she purchased the.357 ammo. So that's a problem there and then she said she wasn't scared of him and all that kind of shit she said she called him that psycho she said she was going to load up in practice all that shit so uh yeah also they said the jury could conclude from evidence of an ashtray full of cigarette butts on top of the fridge in the storage room that she was probably sitting in the storage room waiting for him smoking cigarettes waiting for him like fucking omar on the wire scoping out a fucking drug dealer to see what's going on they cut down always he's got a pile of cigarettes

around he's been there for hours scoping it out he's got patience unbelievable that's what's going on here apparently a jury could also find that the trajectory of the three bullets that which were fired into the floor were consistent with those being shot being fired from an area in front of the door to the storage room and not from behind the computer table, as she had claimed earlier. So it's a lot. Basically, I think she was like behind that door lying in wait. And then he comes in with the food. She bucks off three shots, misses him. That's what it seems like.

And then hits him with that one in the hip and he goes down and then she laid there while she called the police and she possibly got him to sign over right oh my god and then said all right enough waiting boom oh my god how cool that's the that's the theory based on the science of it and they talk about here uh they said the other thing that we let you know there's malice is the length of time it takes to kill another as evidence from which the intent of the killer may be inferred. The pathologist who performed the autopsy, Dr. Brad Randall, testified that the gunshot wound to his back shattered the right lobe of his liver and that such an injury would cause an individual to lose a large amount of blood very quickly. In his opinion, an individual would only live 10 to 15 minutes after suffering a gunshot wound such as he received there and would probably lose consciousness within five to 10 minutes after sustaining the wound. Frank was still breathing and conscious and answering questions when the sheriff's deputies and rescue personnel arrived 50 minutes later. So, yeah. However, only five minutes later, he became unresponsive.

And so she did that right then. That's it's perfectly lines up with she shot him five minutes before the cops got there. She's like, well, enough of this shit. Wild. Crazy. So the evidence of the wound to his upper left abdomen was that he survived for some period and that that wound was sustained. The two wounds to his back did not have uh this characteristic appearance additionally the doctor concluded from the nature of the exit wound in his right chest and the injury to his right elbow and arm uh to

his right arm was against or near his body as that bullet passed through him and this could have occurred if frank had been lying on the floor with his arm under him and he had been shot so yeah that's pretty fucking crazy. These findings led him to believe that three gunshot wounds were not all inflicted at the same time in, quote, rapid fire sequence, as the defendant claimed, and that the shot to his right back possibly fired shortly before law enforcement and rescue personnel had had come. Remember the two high school boys that only heard two to three shots way back when she shot him the first time and then called the cops so yeah also from these facts as well as the fact that frank was apparently able to write a note in blood on the floor as well as a note on a piece of paper sometime during the course of events a jury could properly

find that she conflicted she inflicted three gunshot wounds on him over a period of time and not in rapid succession, obviously. She considered herself a good shot, and her son testified that she was a good shot. She also had chemical mace and a small caliber handgun ready in there. She chose the.357, though, as her, you know. Because that one does the job. That'll do the job yeah um they said that they tell the guy testifies from the nebraska state patrol firearms examiner he says that it's a double action revolver which required 12 pounds of force on the trigger to fire not semi-automatic

or automatic or anything like that um therefore it required that much force to fire the bullet because you're making the hammer go back every fucking time and applying three to three and quarter pounds of pressure to the trigger each time the weapon was fired if the hammer was pulled back so the location nature and number of wounds inflicted are circumstances from which a jury may draw the inference that the killing was done with deliberate and premeditated malice which i kind agree with. One more thing she wants to talk about. She is mad because the jury, the judge would not admit evidence in her trial of abuse by her ex. Oh, because they said, well, that makes no difference to him, though.

So she wanted to have like, hey, I was abused before. Right. So it makes me this time yeah which they go that has nothing to do with it though you can't somebody else is that we can't put someone else's actions and put them responsible on another person and say it's okay that you killed them like that that state of mind and everything but it doesn't mean you're not guilty sounds to me like you're not ready for a relationship yet yeah that if that's something that can trigger you to fucking shoot your husband or boyfriend that's what i'm saying don't be in a relationship um yeah she said that

uh she wrote in 1983 later the defense submitted an offer of proof of an 11 page report that she had written herself and filed with the washington county sheriff's Office in 1983. That report detailed a bizarre two-day episode in 83 in which Ron Thompson allegedly raped her, held her captive, repeatedly threatened her with surgical mutilation and death. Wow. That sounds fucking crazy. That's the guy that died in the construction accident? Yeah, he died in the Corning accident there, apparently.

So they said, we don't know if that's true, but they said his bad acts are not admissible in someone else's case sorry that's not how that works uh moreover she said that he behaved as a perfect gentleman for six years so that's a different story also there's a motion for a new trial mixed in with this uh saying that uh basically that she tries to get a new trial but she files it too late because it's literally like a 10 10th day after august 19th when she had to file fell on a saturday so the latest date the motion could have been filed in compliance was monday and uh the filing wasn't filed till wednesday two days late for her new trial appeal thing so they tell her to go fuck off uh but she does say uh that uh she

has new evidence so she should get a new trial she moved for a new evidence which is the uh the death certificate she says that's new evidence the fact that the coroner wrote that he you know it was an hour and a half between wounds see that's that that is different than the guy who did the autopsy. So that's new evidence. Meanwhile, that's just a guy who goes, yep, he's dead. What time? When did he start bleeding?

All right, cool, and wrote it down. That's all he did. Not a medical examination. So, yeah, she says that the death certificate would have made the county attorney a material witness in her defense and probably resulted in her acquittal. Which is not even close. That's a reach. I could have gotten a fucking conviction on this fucking case jesus christ this is pretty fucking open and closed man he wrote all these

left she didn't write all these letters she could have said anything she wanted and we would have believed her but you wrote a million fucking letters i don't know how you expect people to believe any of this shit so this is why you don't write all your feelings down no that's what i mean This is why you don't write all your feelings down. No, that's what I mean. So she is told no, new trial. Her appeal fails. So in 1995, I found here that 1995, she is served with a summons in court here.

Was served with a summons in jail as a defendant in a civil action to collect a debt from her for her student loans they want her student loan money fannie mae coming for you yeah she filed an answer denying the amounts claimed that she owed to the university of nebraska lincoln claiming the action was not brought in good faith and all sorts of other shit but uh it also was alleged to specific instances of alleged bad faith by the university. So she filed a motion requesting hearings and all this shit. They want their money anyway. They want their money. The problem is the jail has no they have no requirement of letting a prisoner out to do to go to a civil civil uh trial to go to a civil like if they're

being sued they can go that's tough shit you're not going to show up and you're going to lose i guess they don't have any they don't have any obligation no obligation to make to let them out and to go to court for a civil thing that seems none whatsoever that's yeah that's part of it so basically that she wasn't allowed to go to court for it so there's a judgment uh entered against her she's got a lien in the amount of six thousand eight hundred and seventy four dollars and eighteen cents gaining interest every day oh i'm sure so this leads into 1999 i like to call this who wants to be a pauper because uh there is a petition to have her deemed a pauper you know has no money in poverty therefore she can get the state to pay for legal fees and shit like that she said she's unable to pay the fees

and costs or give security required to proceed with the case uh she said her average income from prison employment is under 70 a month and she receives uh proceeds she receives from workers compensation are inadequate to bring her above subsistence level and are exempt from attachment, garnishment, or other legal or equitable process, is what they say. Now, the district court issues an order stating, quote, Ms. Thompson has available to her a workers' comp trust fund from which she may pay costs for her numerous appeals from prison, from prisonary disciplinary proceedings or prison disciplinary proceedings an asshole too yeah uh the costs involved are minimal therefore i leave uh to proceed in form so basically you're not a pauper fuck off pay for your own shit asshole she's officially uh oh it's later on though it's overturned and she is officially deemed a pauper which is something to celebrate i'm a pauper everybody

i'm a pauper sounds like a royal title right now there is a free fran movement what oh yeah there's a free fran movement it's environmental people and people who agree with their causes lunatics say that she well they say that their whole thing is it was a uh a government conspiracy yeah to get rid of her because she was causing problems for them environmentally and they wanted to get rid of her now one of the sites i found this on was a site that was like primarily it's for like justice for falsely incarcerated black people yeah it's like, like, and there's a big thing on the top that says like, and white supremacy now. And it's like this,

you know, it was for, uh, they talk about her. You want to see a picture of her? I do. Let's see. Let's have a look.

See, let's say, I should take a little peek right here and let's, I need glasses. Let's take a look at this. Lily. White. Holy shit.

Ginger. Yeah. She looks like Neil Young. Yeah. With ginger hair. i'll post this as a thing but oh man take a look at my life it's so fucking weird that's her at sea world by the way black man take a look at my life i'm a lot like you that's what she wears to sea world a 10 gallon fucking cowboy hat to sea world big Alan Jackson. It's crazy. She looks like fucking J.R. from Dallas fucking thing.

And she's looking at Shamu. I can see the crowd behind her. There's no other giant cowboy hats. It's only our. So this is what they say on one of the sites. Yeah. Quote, Fran's case was highly politicized. Fran had taken on the prosecutor and local government during her activism, organizing against two big projects, the Walden Egg Factory and a nuclear waste facility that would have brought the community, the county big profits for her commitment to animals and the environment.

She was treated harshly in the local courts. She was not allowed to enter a plea of self-defense and received a life sentence without parole. She actually does have parole, but so there's people, all sorts of people. There's all sorts of people commenting. I did time with Fran. She's awesome. Like five different prisoners were like, I did time with her and she's a good person. And, you know, this I hope she gets out soon.

You know, glad I see her now. I can get back a hold of her. And then one of the one of the comments was from one of Dean Frank's family on here. And they said, quote, what about the victim's loved ones? I see pictures of Fran smiling. I'll never see like that. Now as an adult haunted by depression, learning to do things without the support from a father. You do not deserve to be free.

I'm paying the price for the choice you made. God is my witness. He knows the truth. I've been in terrible domestic violence, not only wishing death for that person. Go ahead and smile. Smile for me, the person who has pain so great I simply cannot. Oh, that poor lady. That is shit.

That sucks. That poor girl. Wow. So now Fran got moved around. She was in a facility in Missouri for a while, and they moved her all around. And right now it looks like from the inmate search uh looks like she's in the nebraska correction center for women at this point i don't know where that is but uh that's where she is in nebraska in nebraska she's serving her life sentence

it says next parole board review date and i think that's to review to see if you're up for parole, is September of 2023. Oh, that's got a while. There is no parole eligibility date set on her parole information, so that's just a review thing. See if we can set a date that we can talk about it. Exactly. So she has been in there a while and doesn't look like she's getting out anytime soon.

Good. Now, if you are into pigs, because we mentioned the pig and the pig died and adopting pigs if you're like want to have a pig as a pet or you want to support people that do uh there is a it's called pigs peace sanctuary and uh for more information about pigs and pig rescue contact them uh judy woods is their director and it is www.pigspeace, as in peace and love. Not like a piece of a pig. Not a piece of a pig.

Not like a bacon. Pigspeace.org. You can do that. They're in Washington, and I'm sure they do nice things for pigs if you like pigs. You can give them a couple bucks or something. Oh, boy, do I love them. That, everybody, is Vertigree, Nebraska, and a fucking mess of a story. Basically, it's just a liar in the end.

It's just a person who was a manipulator and a liar that thought she was smarter than everyone and her farm was sovereign land. It's the classic tale of two people bickering so far that you eventually get from you're a cheater and a liar to you've got to die. Yeah, how do you get there? Listen, I've been in shitty relationships. I can how do you get there i mean i listen i've been in shitty relationships i know that i can see i never started planning murder no i've never been

like i'm gonna go down to the hardware hanks and buy some shells it's never happened to me thankfully i've gotten out of them before yeah or somebody either of us planned it but yeah i've seen it it's crazy so it's there that is that hope you enjoyed that show because it's a fucking wild one if you did i know how you can tell us about it you can get on apple podcast that purple icon give us five stars it'll take you two minutes and you know how long it took to put this shit together a lot longer than that so get on there and do that help us out help out the show give us five stars doesn't matter what you say say you're following instructions following directions.

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I love her. Thank you so much for your sweet emails. Hell yeah. I appreciate it. Kenny P. That's my lady down there. I'm not going to say her name. Oh, I love her. She's always packing. I love her. Thank you so much for your sweet emails. Hell yeah. I appreciate it. Kenny Peace. That's my lady right there. Cesar Tapia, what does it say? He's a medically retired Marine.

Cool. And what I wrote looks like something way worse. I know exactly where you were going. I just wanted to say thank you so much, Cesar, for serving. And I'm sorry that I almost called you something way worse. Leanne Edwards, Christine. Be careful in the state of Florida. You want to bum rush the stage in the state of Florida, a woman will shoot you.

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So thank you guys for everything they do that you do for us. And just even if you tell people about the show, that's amazing. And thank you for that. It's really mind blowing. It's we appreciate the shit out of it. Really? What if they wanted to thank you, Jimmy? How could it be done?

Is it possible? Yeah. Wisman sucks. W.H.I.S.M.A.N. Sucks on Twitter and Instagram. Thank you guys beautiful so much also tim dudley had a baby uh he didn't have a baby well his baby had a baby that's why we're telling you because it's amazing yeah congratulations and one of your kids congrats

brother congratulations well or did the fucking one of the two welcome this fucked up world athena rose there you go awful good stuff where can they find you you can find can find me at Jimmy P is funny or just copy and paste my name. You don't know how to spell it, so you'll just copy it and that'll be great. That said, holy shit. Thank you guys so much for joining us. And until next week, everybody, it's been our pleasure. Bye. Hey, Prime members, you can listen to Small Town Murder early and ad-free on Amazon Music. Download the Amazon Music app today.

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