Small Town Murder - #178 - Proud To Be Cruel in Middle River, Maryland

Episode Date: July 2, 2020

This week, in Middle River, Maryland, a troubled man, who is rightfully called "pure evil" at many points in his life, gives up on trying to make a go of a normal existence, and decides to go on a killing spree. He is cruel, angry, and completely out of his mind. When he is caught, he not only confesses, but is proud of what he did. His final statement at his trial may be the craziest thing ever said in a court of law. Will he gets executed, like he wants to be?? Absolute insanity! Along the way, we find out faeries may not need a whole festival, that when someone says that they're Satan, maybe you should listen to them, and if you want to kill yourself, there are easier ways than having the state do it!! Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman New episodes every Thursday! Donate at: patreon.com/crimeinsports or go to paypal.com & use our email: [e-mail] Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder & Crime In Sports! Follow us on... twitter.com/@murdersmall facebook.com/smalltownpod instagram.com/smalltownmurder Also, check out James & Jimmie's other show, Crime In Sports! On iTunes, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts# See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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of it's bad but you know what we're gonna make jokes here and there when they're appropriate what we try not to do what we go out of our way not to do is to make fun of the victim or the victim's family why because we're assholes but we're not scumbags that's the way it works so if that sounds good to you you want to have a good time you're on board if not if you think true crime and comedy should never go together you probably shouldn't listen to the show and if you do don't complain about it afterwards if you didn't like it. But give it a shot because I don't think it's exactly what you think. We're not having fun with murder.

It's a different thing. There's a lot of crazy around the murder that we're going to get into here. That's too harsh. That's what I'm saying. And for the rest of you that want to have a good time and get this rolling, I think it's time to sit back and shout, Shut up and give me murder! Let's do this, Jimmy. I cannot wait. Let's go this, Jimmy. I cannot wait.

Let's go on a trip. Yeah. What do you say? I wish we could go on a trip anywhere. Even here. Even all the way to Maryland. Oh, boy. Oh, boy.

Never mind. We've been all over Nebraska last week. Yeah. Oh, yeah. That was a... There's no Dungeness there. No Dungeness crab. There's pigs, as we found out.

There's dungeons and pigs, but no Dungeness crab. It's a Dungeness pig we got for you you here it's a pig we kept in the dungeon see and we beat it for the last nine years oh a bacon is so we beat it good i'll tell you what you can't even crisp this bacon that's how tender it is i get frustrated and that's what the pig is for that's what it is so we're going all the way to middle river, Maryland, actually. Middle River, yeah. It's north central Maryland. Maryland's kind of like it's got the pumps. It's a weird shape. It's kind of right in the middle of it up in the north part of it here.

25 minutes to Baltimore, so very close to Baltimore. About an hour 35 to Philly. So all these cities are very close, as we know from driving them, doing our tours here. And about an hour and 40 to st michael's maryland which is our last maryland episode episode 137 which was the murder mystery weekend that was a insane every time we're in maryland it's a wild ass case i'm telling you some of these states in particular really have some choice maryland's a bizarre place too because it's got like oh it's really beautiful like, rich history and lots of rich people there.

And then there's these nooks and crannies of Maryland that are legit lunatic hillbillies. It's part hillbilly and part hardcore urban. It's the weirdest state. It's a tiny state where they butt right up against each other, as we're going to talk about here. It's a weird thing. It's like half Appalach going to talk about here. It's a weird thing. It's like half Appalachia and half the Bronx. It's a strange place, Marilyn. Very strange.

They're like super wealthy people. Yeah. Oh, there's some very wealthy people, because it's also near D.C. That's another thing. This is in Baltimore County, as a matter of fact, so it's that close to Baltimore. 21220 is the zip code, 410 area code. Eight and a half square miles. Some of that's on water because there's some waterways everywhere here.

Now, the history of this. Now, Middle River was once known as Little Appalachia. Really? There's a reason for that because in the David Simon homicide book we talk about a lot. He gives kind of a he's talking about the homicide detectives and kind of where they come from. And he said he's talking about how there's a very different there's a big distinction in some of these guys some of them are like from west baltimore and you know they know the city and they're you know whatever and then some of them are from the county which is where we are here

and the county is these guys these people have a fucking southern draw yeah like it's not even southern it's straight hillbilly yeah it's whereas like a baltimore accent. Yeah. Like, it's not even southern. It's straight hillbilly. Yeah. It's whereas like a Baltimore accent is not that at all. It's nothing else. And they're only Baltimore. And they're fucking 15 minutes away from each other. I've never been in a place that has that distinctive accents 15 minutes apart. Have you? No.

It's weird. It's like New York, the boroughs. You're like, you can tell if you're from New York, you can pick it out. You're like a Staten Island from a brook. Oh, absolutely. You can pick a Bronx from a Brooklyn. No problem. There's words that you can tell the way they talk, but like the way people are.

But not like this. It's not like, how y'all doing? What's up, motherfucker? And that's a white guy. You're like, what the fuck is happening in this town? It's very strange. It's a bizarre place. It's a bizarre place. So this the the appalachia area this is kind of where basically

a lot of these people migrated from west virginia from when the coal mines weren't going well yeah and shit and when these people wanted to get out of the mines would they do go fishing or some shit they'd come down here because there's factory jobs in baltimore back in the day so the 40s and the 50s and the 60s. This is where factory jobs were. And especially like World War Two, a lot of them came down to do. There's a lot of wartime jobs in Baltimore. So people would come down from the hills for these war jobs and then they'd stay there

and you get enclaves of hillbillies living right outside the fucking city. It's weird as shit. And they made them their own. It's pretty washing their underwear in their front yard. Yeah, that. It's weird as shit. And they made them their own. It's creepy. They're washing their underwear in their front yard. Yeah, that's what it was. I mean, now it's a little more suburban, but it's still hillbilly.

There's still some fucking hillbilly there. Somebody bathes in a bucket, I guarantee it. Yeah, there's shit buckets galore here. Shit buckets galore, everyone. Come on down to Middle River. Middle River, shit buckets galore. That's Come on down to Middle River. Middle River. Shit buckets galore. That's what you want in your promo material. So, yeah, they were looking for work, these people that came here, the economic migrants,

they were calling them, basically, just coming, wandering in from the hills. Imagine that. Close the gates. They're coming from the hills again. This is right next. It's 1960. Why do they have torches to see shit? Y'all got mozzarella cheese sticks.

They're like, oh, close the gates. They're here. The whites are here. They want cheese sticks at Taco Bell. It's a problem. We got to close it off. Y'all have fiestas. Jesus Christ.

Fiesta with cheese. So this is right. Butts up right against a town called Essex. And they were kind of intertwined, you know, when they were coming up for the first couple centuries. They're talking about an Eastern Avenue in Essex back in the day was made of oyster shells. Oh, think about that was made of oyster shells. And they say it was a pleasure to drive along because of the fine farms and parks around here. Oysters are gross

looking yeah but the shells are shimmery okay because you ever hear like mother of pearls like an oyster thing if you if you break up oyster shells i guess they shimmer yeah in the sun and they also make a pleasant noise as your yeah as your horse and buggy goes through them so it's a i don't know if it's easier also on the horse's hoofs or what how that works i don't know it seems like it would chargeard and stab them. It seems like it would get worse, right? I have no idea. So there was a bunch of businesses.

They had roadhouses there. They had parks and groves. One of these big groves, they served fish sandwiches and a glass of beer for five cents. Gross. Fish sandwich and a glass of beer. Five bucks. A nickel. Five nickel five cents yeah that's amazing so uh one guy here a lewis holtz neck came back from the first world war and him and his brothers built an ice plant okay and uh before that there was ice basically the ice delivery service was that they had before that was from a Highland Town ice company.

And what they would do is, when the winters were freezing, they would cut ice from the pond and store it in an ice house. Really? And break it up. Throughout the year, break it apart? And that would be what you would sell to bars and shit back then before they had freezers. It's like a real-life frozen. Yeah. How else are you going to get ice?

They didn't know how to make them. I guess, yeah, you can't really make it in the summertime huh no uh lots of disasters here of course a huge blizzard president taft was inaugurated in 1909 there was a huge blizzard here and all this type of shit and uh they one of these roadhouses saved a guy's life he came in freezing it's some big big story from local lore yeah so i don't know who the fuck this guy is it doesn't matter fuck this guy what a roadhouse saved him well some roadhouse saved him he asked for a priest and then he came to give him his last rites and then he didn't die and he ended up dying anyway so who cares so during the flood of august of 1933

of course there's always a flood and a fire. Boats were washed up on top of the car tracks. The railroad cars. Yeah. That's wild. Over Back River, and the bridge was condemned. The last car came over was half full of water, and the occupants say they didn't even know how they got across it because the water was up to their seats. They just kept driving because they had no choice.

It was either that or stop and drown. So they were like, I guess we'll try to go for it farther. So yeah, a piano washed off Pleasure Island at Bay Shore all the way around the bay to Porter's Bar, and a new house was washed overboard at Bowley's Quarters. So this is wild. Street cars were all overturned. It was crazy.

So anyway, they ended up building a new bridge is what the point of that is. So I found some reviews of this place here. Some reviews. And they're all pretty similar. You'll get a common vein going through them here. Here's a three-star review, which doesn't seem like that seems like it would be decent. Three out of five. It doesn't sound like it, though. would be decent three out of five it doesn't

sound like it though uh here we go quote schools are in walking distance but area doesn't seem like a safe place for a kid to be walking around alone so why three stars then just for the proximity that's it that's the whole review three stars three stars my kids can get to school but they might get fucked on their way that's's a 60 out of 100, right? That's a D. That's terrible. It's a D minus. Why not?

Jesus Christ. Do they not care? I don't know. I don't really like my kid very much. Right. So I guess three stars. My kid's an asshole, so if he gets raped, whatever. Whatever.

I mean, it's bound to happen eventually. So I found two star reviews here. That's hilarious. It's fucking eventually. So I found two-star reviews here. That's hilarious. It's fucking wild. Here's some two-stars. Quote, some neighbors are nice, but there are a lot of people who degrade the area and litter. People are very loud and obnoxious here for no reason, and it is a poor area. No one has any form of manners around here, so overall, the area is below average.

Two stars. You know what? That's a review, though. Below average average two stars you know what neighbors that's a review though below average two stars yeah that's perfect yeah you lined it up with your thoughts and your words i like it um here's a two star this is very specific here this is like this is two children caused this review i feel like of the whole town all right two stars quote kids are constantly throwing stuff into people's yards and harassing the neighbor's animals.

That is two kids that throw shit in their yard and fuck with their dog by throwing shit in their yard and kicking the fence. Whole town is a piece of shit. Two stars. Fuck this place. It's kind of fucked up. Not everybody. Right.

The kids who live at this house are dicks. Not everyone else. Here's two stars. Quote, I would not move here if I had the opportunity. I would continue to search for a new place to move. Okay, that's fair. They're searching. They are searching.

I think they're warning others not to come here. I made a bad decision. Very bad decision. They're searching for one day they can get the fuck out. Oh, my God. This one's great. Two stars. I love this.

Two stars. This is judgmental as fuck, which is always the most fun for a review, you know? for one day they can get the fuck out oh my god this one's great two stars i love this yeah two stars this is judgmental as fuck which is always the most fun for a review you know uh quote it's very common to see unhealthy lifestyles in this area it's quite common to see a quote doped up person walk into a grocery store and many people are obese hygiene is bad as well they're fat fat doped up and stinky that's what he just said it's just a fat drug addicted stinky population you don't want to be here with full of kids throwing shit in your yard fucking with your dog and that's the beginning of like a bad joke yeah a doped up uh hillbilly walks into a grocery store where everybody's fat where everybody's fat and stinks.

Now I have to write a punchline. And he's mad because people's kids threw shit in his yard. And here's another two-star review. Another one that's just, it's very common themes running through. And I could have pulled 50 of them like this. These are just the most, I found the ones that are like the most common theme to put those in. They're painting a picture. Oh, I would say. Here's this one it's a picasso two stars uh quote people in this area are rude and trashy it's not uncommon to see multiple people on the news being murdered

i love living here but the problem is safety well yeah trashy people constantly murder each other i don't know what the fuck you love about it so much. I love living here, despite the fact that there's trashy, doped-up, obese people who stink like shit going into the grocery store while their kids are at home unsupervised, harassing my animals and throwing shit in my yard. I'm just trying to get food at the grocery store. That's what's happening. And I can't do it from the overpowering, pungent smell of their vehicle. They don't even wear shirts. That's problem we need a no shirt no shoes to stink

in it's just all flying you can see lines coming off like in a cartoon so people in this town 25 654 yeah so i wrote the top of our you know it's a lot top of our our range here. It's up 4.2% since 1990, so that's pretty minimal. Now, female male population are about normal. Median age is 38. That's about normal. All your stats, married, everything is pretty normal. It's a pretty average town in terms of statistically, like married and married with kids and no kids and divorced and all that shit. Now, race of this town, it is 61% white, which is 61.5 is the national average.

It's 26.4% black, which is a little over double the national average. 3.7% Asian, which is more than we usually have, even though the average is 5.3%. Let's see here. We have 6.1% Hispanic. So there's a mix here, at least. Very America. Yeah, it is. It's almost a lot, except for less Hispanic people.

It's a pretty good mix of representing the normal averages that things normally are. Now, religion here, it's a little less. 50-50 is normal. Here it is 41% are religious. And you get you're mostly Catholic, 19% Catholic, but there's a bunch mixed in here. There's a couple of Baptists, a few Lutherans here and there. 2.2% Jewish. Oh, what?

Hava Nagila, Hava Nagila, Hava Nagila. I don't know the words. Hey, 2.2%. That's a celebration. Really getting it together. That's awesome. 1.2% Islamlam too it's it's very diverse around here so uh the voting politically here last election 56 percent of the people in the county the whole county voted democrat 38 republican about six percent independent unemployment rates about averageian household income is a little above average.

Normally, it's about $57.5. Here, it is $59,113. So, not terrible. Pretty good. At least you can afford something. The cost of living, $100 is average, regular. Here, it's $101. So, I mean, it's a very average place. Median home cost is $205,300, which is less little. It's a little under the national average, not bad. And if you need to be here, let's say you're a little doped up and stinky and you're putting on a few pounds and you need to go to the grocery store. We have for you the Middle river maryland real estate report your average two-bedroom rental here is about twelve hundred seventy dollars which is right at the national average it's what it usually is now i found there's a there's a variety here i found a three-bedroom two--bath, 1,344 square feet. It says manufactured, but it's a fucking trailer.

It's a trailer with the shit on the bottom so you don't see that it's a trailer. One of those. Not that great, but it's 1,300 square feet, three-bedroom, two-bath. Livable. Livable. $44,999. Okay. I mean, if you've got a couple of kids and you need a place to live, it's something.

You can afford that anyway. Do you own the land, too? Or is that like... No, that's probably... That's just the trailer and then a rental space? I'm sure that's just the trailer. Probably, yeah. That's usually what it is.

You don't get the lot. I found a three-bedroom, two-bath, 1,328 square feet. So it's the same thing, but this is a real house. Okay. It's an actual house. It's a real house. It's a real house with a foundation and a basement and stuff. You know, it's attached to the ground. It's a real house. Okay. It's an actual house. It's a real house. It's a real house with a foundation and a basement and stuff. You know, it's attached to the ground.

It's a real house. Nice yard. Nice thing. New stuff. Backsplashes. You know, remodeled. Nice house. $245,000.

Okay. Which is about the national average for a home. Affordable. Then I found, you know, stretch out a little bit. Yeah. Let's say you hire all these kids to harass people's dogs and shit, and you're like, I'm the king of the town. You sell a lot of dope. Sell a lot of dope.

Five bedroom, four bath, 5,477 square foot. That's a house. It's a big house. It's awesome. It's beautiful. It's all new on the inside. Huge, big, giant porch that goes all the way around. Wraps around. Wra around wraps around one of those big

ones too it's like 15 feet deep it's a it's a big one yeah you get a judgment porch you can sit up there and hate your neighbors white picket fence and everything around the house very nice 890,000 dollars which i mean it's 5,500 square feet it's a lot of fucking house yeah it's not bad it's true i mean i try to think of it in like it's true i mean i try to think of it in like big yard too and stuff i try to think of it in terms of but it's it's just twice that other house why is it so much more you know what i mean well it's almost three times the other it's three times the other house the second one 1328 times three is that the second one yeah the second one was 1328 that was 245 yeah it's three times the size and in a nicer neighborhood and all that shit, too.

Better school district. Its neighbors are identical to this big fucker. Yeah, things like that, you know what I mean? Now, things to do here. I found a bunch of things to do. First of all, go to the drive-in. Benji's Drive-In here is a drive-in theater in Middle River, Maryland that they opened in 1956, which is kind of the peak.

The booming of it. Oh, that boom of that drive-in time. That was so much fun. Oh, that must have been great. I used to love it. Oh, when you were kids? Yeah, when I was a kid. They're starting to come back now.

Good. Drive-ins are opening all over the place now because movie theaters are closed. Yeah, to the point. So that's what they're doing. People, you can go to the movie theater in your car, you know, because you're not bothering anybody else. We used to lay a blanket out in the truck bed like fucking real hillbillies. That's trash.

That's trash. Pop our own popcorn on the stove. Yeah, that's trash, dude. And put it all in a grocery bag. No, no, no, no, no, no. Yeah, that's trashy. That's trashy. And go to the movies for three fucking hours and watch two movies.

Yeah, I think if you did that back home, they'd have been like, oh, what the fuck are you doing? We sell popcorn, asshole. Get the fuck out of here. You got thrown out for that back home they'd have been like oh what the fuck are you doing we sell popcorn asshole get the fuck out of here you got thrown out for that back home probably you bring your own m&ms you fucking fucking mutts trash over here how many people you got in the trunk i was gonna let it go i was gonna let it go now i'm not so this place though has the largest movie screen in the united states it's 52 feet high 120 120 feet wide that's a movie that's a fucking screen it's still open really place is still open project that from like another county i mean it's gotta be a special projector too it's crazy but you gotta step back a little it's the largest movie screen in the U.S., and it's still open, still going.

So you can check that out. Also, the All About Maryland Festival. Holy balls. That's something that you need to have here. The event will be held. This was last year because it's canceled this year. It's at the Gunpowder Falls State Park. Good Lord.

Sounds great. Yeah. Admission for people 12 and older is $10. Five to 12 will be $5 under $5, yeah you can come in for free they're not going to do too much that's alright now the festival will feature live music of course

first of all by Chris Montcalmo oh no you know, Chris Montcalmo, we all know him, right? who the fuck I mean, his first album changed my life, Jimmy it changed my whole high school years you know what i mean the guitar with the maryland flag that's what yeah you know it's a big it's a big blue crab decal on it just the maryland flag is absolutely the coolest one out of all

it is a cool flag it's a neat looking flag yeah it looks like a maritime fucking so rad like you're in trouble in the right looks like a It looks like a pirate flag. Help me. I'm out of here. You'll like it. I like it. Now, Chris Moncomo, of course, he's not the fucking opener. I mean, he's going to have openers. This is Chris Moncomo.

He's not going to fucking go out first. Listen, oh, what the fuck are we doing here? You know what I'm saying? I was going to open the Willig boys are open and W-I-L-L-I-G, the Willig boys. Got to have them. And even then, they're like, oh-L-I-G. The Willig Boys. Gotta have them. And even them, they're like, oh, I'm a feature act. I'm a feature. I don't open.

Now, you can get somebody else to open. And who do they get to open? On a high note. Yeah. So there you go. So you gotta open. Which sounds like a musical improv group of people you'd like to punch in the face if you were forced to watch their show.

Or a piccolo quartet. Fucking high note. A pic wants to hear this shit on a high note that sounds so much like an opening on a high note now the kids uh kids kids activated yeah kids activated okay will include maryland zoomobile that's cool. A magic show. No. No. Miss D the Clown. Oh, no. Fuck no. Let's traumatize some kids. And Laser Tag, which is fun.

That's fun. That's fun, especially if you can shoot the clown. Is the clown doing the magic, too? I assume so. What, do you get two people? Right. What are you, just dress up like a clown? Clowns don't do anything.

Do a fucking magic trick while you're up there looking like an idiot. Come here, watch me make these two fingers disappear. Yeah, let's, come here, sonny boy. Jesus Christ. Honk, honk, motherfucker. Creepy fucking. When you feel it, honk my nose. So, yeah, classic car show as well then there's the

summer solstice fairy festival oh boy this is uh used to being glenrock pennsylvania i think they probably run out of there for being fucking weird and now it's at sproutwood spoutwood farm uh here the oh my god uh jesus christ um this is ridiculous uh they moved it to 2021 um they have let's sell celebrate the season and the magic of nature festival will feature live music dancing bubbles yeah that sounds like fair to announce that magicians oh it gets weirder oh boy magicians fairies goblins oh which you know charlie from always sunny is going to be there like i knew Magicians. Oh, it gets weirder. Oh, boy. Magicians. Fairies. Goblins. Oh. Which, you know, Charlie from Always Sunny is going to be there.

Like, I knew it, motherfucker. Renowned craft vendors. I don't know if they're making goblins or what they're doing here. And more winged things than you can count. Okay. Activities for humans. Oh, no. Include maypole dancing.

They're taking it too serious. Parades. Drum circles. fairy and gnome village tours a treasure hunt tea parties puppets storytellers and finally the weekend culminates with my public suicide in the middle of it all my very very public suicide. In town square. In town square, dressed like a goblin. I can't take it anymore! It's fucking done. I can't understand a fairy festival.

I don't know what's going on there. Who the fuck knows? I was going to say get a hobby, but that's their fucking hobby. That's their hobby, to dress up. That's what they do. We're going to get tweets. I do it, too. That's good.

I'm sure it's fun for you and that's great we i just hope that you're not thinking that there's goblins right and then we're okay i hope you don't pretend this shit's real okay crime rate in this town uh well we're interested i don't know if this includes dog harassing and throwing shit in people's yards and just being obese and doped up at the grocery store but property crime here is about 50 percent high yeah it's high it's a little bit high and then violent crime murder rape robbery and of course assault the mount rushmore of crime is about 25 percent high so it's high yeah crimes high here that's why they're dangerous that's what i'm saying you got maybe that's why they're fairies so they can disappear and fly away and shit i don't know

what the fuck fairies do what do fair fairies even do? I don't know. I don't know. The only one I know of... Tinkerbell? Yeah, that's the most famous one, right? That's my only fairy experience, I guess. I guess that's the only one. What other fairies are out there? Why would you even want to be a fairy

when we got the best one already? Well, the thing is, we already have Tinkerbell. Tinkerbell's a standard-bearing fairy. So at that point, what are you going to do? We don't need any more. You all look the same. He's like a fairy spokesman at that point, right? Tinkerbell, I think... Put it look the same. He was like a fairy spokesman at that point, right? Tinkerbell, I think.

Put it this way. If it was like a fairy massacre and someone had to be on the news being interviewed, Tinkerbell would be the one they'd call him in. You know, like when Chris Benoit, well, Peter Pan goes either way. Sandy Duncan played Peter Pan when he went for me. So, you know, they'd call him in like when chris they call her in like when chris benoit murdered his family and they bring in like the best wrestler they could find to talk about it they're like tinkerbell tell me about the fairy community right uh yeah so yeah 25 no laws are getting changed until tinkerbell's murdered that's what what happens. That's it. So speaking of murder, let's talk about a murder, Jimmy.

All right. Shall we? This, oh boy, is what I got to say. Buckle the fuck up, everybody. 1990. We need to go back to this before. So that's a nice little time machine journey.

Yeah. I like that. I like when we go to like 90. From close by. I like 90. We know it. We know it very well. It's good because it's a long time ago.

It's 30 years ago. How fucking crazy is that? That's wild, long time ago. It's 30 years ago. How fucking crazy is that? That's wild, first of all. It's 30 years ago. It's fucking unbelievable. But it's still sort of modern, but there's some distance. So this is a sweet spot. Plus, I like, I don't know, there's something about when we do murders that have like, and

then he texted her and then they got, I mean, those are good. Those are fine. But something about the lack of like technology and no cell phone pinging and all that shit that makes it like a creepier, small-towny thing. So I like that. So we're going to talk about a man here. Let's talk about a guy named John Frederick Thanos. He goes by Freddy for the most part.

Of course he does. Thanos does, yeah. Freddy, I don't know why. I think because he's named after his father, and his father, I believe, was probably John, and then they go Yeah. Freddy. I don't know why. I think because he's named after his father and his father, I believe, was somebody else. Probably John. And then they go call him Freddy. Right.

That's how it works. If your father's name is the same thing. The other option you got is Johnny. And that's not. Otherwise, when someone calls the name, both people look in the house and that's a pain in the ass. So he is born March 28th, 1949. Okay.

So 1949. Yeah, okay. So 1949. Yeah, definitely. As of 1990, though, he's 41 years old. Yeah. And well, let's let's let's catch up with John at 1990 and then we'll find out where he came from here. Now, John, as of 1990, is in prison for robbery. Okay.

He's in prison for a convenience store robbery. Little typical went in with a gun, held it up, took the money. No one was hurt or anything like that. But he was put in prison for a convenience store robbery. Little typical went in with a gun, held it up, took the money. No one was hurt or anything like that, but he was put in prison. This is not his first time in prison, as we'll talk about. He's at the Eastern Correctional Institution around this area here. It's all a lighthearted nightmare on our podcast, Morbid. We're your hosts. I'm Alina Urquhart.

And I'm Ash Kelly. And our show is part true crime, part spooky, and part comedy. The stories we cover are well-researched. He claimed and confessed to officially killing up to 28 people. With a touch of humor. I'd just like to go ahead and say that if there's no band called Malevolent Deity, that is pretty great. A dash of sarcasm and just garnished a bit with a little bit of cursing. This mother****er lied. Like a little bit of cursing. This mother f***er lied.

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that is pretty great. A dash of sarcasm and just garnished a bit with a little bit of cursing. This mother f***er lied. Like a liar. Like a liar.

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while he's in this, he appears to be trying to get himself ready to be reacclimated into society because in the late eighties he takes, he gets his high school diploma in prison. He takes two semesters of college at the Eastern correction, correctional Institute college facility, at the eastern correction correctional institute college facility you know eastern correctional institute u yeah that one will get you eciu is big it's that's what i would tell everybody at job interviews yeah eciu yeah they'd be like oh

okay they'd feel they'd feel stupid yeah they'd be like oh eastern carolina right international university okay that sounds good. Institute. Sounds perfect. Was that an institute for technology, or what was that institute for? Well, it was for housing assholes like me. Not all of us, but me, definitely. Institute for, you know, at minimum, robbery. Something.

Right. So he got all A's and B's while he was doing this. So he's not a dumb guy. And they said he's a good writer in terms of like if he wrote something it wouldn't be like misspellings and cross it out and like a lot of these guys are a lot of people in prison are don't have the best education which is how they ended up in prison because they really didn't have another way to make a living and frustrated by the way we know why people end up in prison um i was i'm reading this one book fuck what is this guy by a guy named shane bauer it's about prison he went it's about a prison in louisiana

he went this under this reporter went and he was a prison guard for a uh one of these for-profit prisons one of these you know corporate prisons basically and it is fucking wild it's wild you know in florida louisiana how fucking horrible these people are treated down it is it's unreal dude it's they basically just they're like they shrug their shoulders and you want to kill each other kill each other i don't give a fuck they sit back and let shit happen they don't care it's fucking wild but basically what they said is uh talking to the uh he was talking to the social worker that works there. And they were saying at this point, which was only like five years ago in this particular prison, 40 percent of the prisoners or I'm sorry, I'm sorry. 30 percent of the prisoners had an IQ under 70, 70.

That's like trouble. That's Forrest Gump. So think about that trouble. That many of the prisoners, a third of them, are dumber than Forrest Gump. So what does that tell you? What chance do these people have in life? He met the president. True.

He's also fake as fuck. In real life, he would have either worked on a factory line until he dropped dead, or he would have ended up in prison. Probably dead in Vietnam, because he wouldn't have known to run. Which way are we going? Right. He's done. That would have ended up in prison so probably dead in vietnam or yeah wouldn't have known to run that would have been that keep your head down he pokes his head what what not good so he wrote a poem in january 1990 that comes out later okay and it's quite the poem he's quite the wordsmith he's good at it i don't know if you'd call it yeah i don't know if you call it good at it got it he's interesting yeah let's see let's just get you know what let's

find out what's inside of our this is not scratched out this is very well oh very well written uh around here i am known as the hound of hell i brew an evil potion cast Cast a wicked spell. Some call me Beelzebub. Others call me Satan. A demon, no doubt. Be not mistaken. I come from down deep. Call it hell's hole. Heaven can't match my bounty of souls. So that's his poetry.

That's a much better round here than the Counting Crows ever wrote. Round here. Round here. On the hound's tooth what'd he say i call it hell's hole others call me satan others call me satan try on here jesus counting crows could really brush their shit up they could make a spice it up get a ledge to you let's go you fuckers it's the meds you know come on adam guys are pussies put it out there bring your white man dreadlocks over here and fucking get it going christ man

oh yeah he was the dreadlock yeah you said counting crows and i immediately heard the counting crows and pictured the black crows guy for some reason not the guy who went out with the friends one it's dirt i don't fucking know those people's names so yeah that's his round here um and also by the way those were fake that was a wig that that asshole wore of course it's not even real. Fucking jerk. He had a fucking crew cut. I think he was bald. Probably. He just strapped that thing on.

Fuck it, why not? And went and capitalized. What else are you going to do? What a fucking jerk off. Just have some sprouts of hair coming up. At least grow it, be lazy, and let it mat. That would be amazing. Some little mats of receded hair.

Yes. Oh, receding ha oh boy so right away this guy is an interesting fellow let's just say this is these are his uh this is his poetry that he's giving out to people in prison yeah in january of 1990 and he's ready to be released at some point soon and this is the type of shit he's writing so my god you know you probably don't want the guy who who uh is competing with heaven for quote bounty of souls yeah out on the street right you know now there's a woman here a woman a correctional officer named rosalind e lofton okay she lives in salisbury and apparently he was obsessed with her. Thanos is fucking obsessed with this prison guard. Really? Super obsessed with her.

Really strange. Started in 1989. She's an officer. Like we said, she's a correctional officer. It's so strange. Basically, he sent her dozens of letters in prison. Inside, giving her all these letters. And also, he would give letters to other people, too. always writing letters uh basically read my round here yeah i got another

round here he says read my lyrics i feel like it's the future of rock and roll you know what i'm saying i know right now it's all milly vanilly shit and everything but it's gonna change soon i don't know what it is but i sense a dirtier need a grungier for lack of a better term spin coming on the whole thing it's 1990 but i predict the future so he was a talented man so uh these letters not only were they love letters they were also extremely sexually explicit saying what he wanted to do and uh also complaining that his romantic overtures are being ignored. How dare you? I told you that I wanted to stick things up your ass and you're not responding to me for it.

What the fuck? I said I wanted to stick the leg of my chair up your ass in a romantic way and you're giving me nothing. What am I supposed to do with that? So I don't want to spend you on the leg of my chair like a rotisserie isn't that wasn't isn't that what the ladies are looking for you're not flattered i didn't send that to anyone else only you you're them you're the only one so she ended up filing a complaint in prison about his constant harassment yeah because you're not allowed to do that and also i, I'm at work. That's the thing. Leave me the fuck alone.

She's at work being harassed by a dangerous man. As we'll talk about his background, you're going to go, oh, yeah, she should be very frightened of this guy. So he ended up serving 60 days segregation for threatening an officer and was referred to the mental health unit as well. And she showed them, the prison officials, all the filthy, quote,

filthy letters and poems he sent to her. All sorts of shit. I want all of those. Obviously, he's an interesting fella. How afraid should she be? And these are all things we need to find out here. So he is 41 years old at this point. Now, in a court document at one point he announced in court

before his last conviction that he believed himself to be satan okay so this is what we're dealing with i'm the guy me later on he's writing poetry about it so but he said in court this is all i love when anybody says anything in court because then it's like in an official forever the state is like officially doing something somebody's paid and has to write it's amazing so i love that so he believed himself to be satan apparently i can't believe i went to college to write this and the funny part is some of these every state is different obviously in terms of like how they do their like court docs and shit so some of these cases some of the states you could tell the person writing it has a little bit of talent for it and they put a little flair into it and it's fucking great and it's entertaining and then

sometimes it's just totally fucking you can tell they're just like i don't want to do this i gotta go home at five and they don't care and then sometimes you're like oh this motherfucker got a flair for the dramatic i really like how this dude's writing this story this lady's writing this story this shit is good stuff i love that shit so anyway um yeah so he believes himself to be satan that's first beautiful he grew up in dundle uh dundalk which is a town nearby yeah he's the oldest child of john john his father's name is john john stephen thanos and patty thanos is his mother his mother is uh she's like a she's described as a mountain girl from virginia hell yeah so his mother is pretty hardcore she's like a she's like a laborer too she does like bricklaying she

is mamie white yeah she's mamie white she does like fucking bricklaying a mountain girl that does bricklaying like she's a tough broad she'll lay a dude out oh you don't fuck with her if you're at the bar and she's had two shots of whiskey you don't fucking cross her she will knock your ass out with a pool cue and she has just started oh yeah yeah she doesn't care she'll go right back to the bar when she's done you done bleeding yet pussy so uh the father he's a different story the mother by all accounts is a caring woman um you know she's a hillbilly and everything but she's a caring woman and takes care of her kids and does all the right things father on the other hand is what is described as a shell-shocked world war

two veteran oh no he's a ptsd yeah and back then now, if you have PTSD, you can seek help for it and people take it seriously. Shit, they'll give you a dog. Yeah. They don't take it seriously enough still, probably, but it's taken seriously. And it's an actual thing that back then it was called, you're a pussy. Right. Literally. Right.

Fucking get over it, pussy. That's what they used to say to people. You're a man enough to kill people. Patton used to talk about in World Wari that he used to smack shell shock soldiers around people that were fucking they called shell shock back then that meant ptsd and uh it was a combat fatigue in vietnam and then it went to whatever change all kind of now it's ptsd every war has got a new they have a new term for it yeah so pat he's talking about smacking these soldiers around you know yelling at them and shit and like that was how to make it better that's how they handled it back then

gotta toughen them up that's what it was pat was a cold-hearted oh yeah ruthless son of a yeah he was not a nice guy no that was a that man's a monster he's a hero it's well yeah that's what we need any generals if you look at grant too grant was a i mean he's a they called him the butcher like he was a fucking you've gotta you've to have he didn't care he'd throw his own soldiers into the into the grinder to kill more of theirs that's how it was it just we have more people bum rush him okay i mean it worked but he did a hell of a philosophy mcclellan was not willing to do that enough civil war history sorry george mcclellan almost lost the goddamn civil war for the north he's a fucking pussy anyway and that's what you don't want to be president in 1864 that's why so enough of that shit so anyway uh yeah his father's a world war

two veteran with ptsd which is a little dangerous right away untreated and oh no slightly treated too which is even worse kind of is he treating it himself with like booze and shit and other things we'll talk about uh he drove a truck for the lever brothers uh good guy to have on the road yeah he's a truck driving shell shock war veteran who's probably drinking behind the wheel probably to just to stop the voices you know what i mean just to stop the voices i mean here's a car horn or anything he loses loses his shit. Starts yelling at people, crashing into him with his truck. His truck is just fucking back to pieces. Bumper hanging off. Uses it as a battering ramp.

So now his father has a history of mental illness as well before he went in the war. And then the war exacerbated this mental illness. And when he came out, oh, boy, he was just a Petri dish of mental illness. Ready to ready to burst. Sh shaken and stirred oh yeah and then you throw in uh some kids and a truck driving job in there which that'll make nice people be alcoholic assholes back then especially wow is he a he's a fucking and a powder keg and a hardline wife yeah oh yeah and this guy's tough too figured everything out to just be a mess the rest of his time. It's rough, man.

So the wife luckily held everything together, but he regularly abused all the children, both physically and emotionally, of course, beat the shit out of everybody. It gets worse. Now, the mother here, like we said, she ends up divorcing the father. Patty does after a while. Yeah, it's too much what she does. We'll find out what he does to these kids it's horrible uh basically her son here though thanos is a fucking mess uh now she says possibly her idea of where his problems may have started thanos here our young thanos birth, yes, number one, because there's mental illness and everything

else in the family, but she says, quote, I know it may sound silly, but I think my son's problems began when his father sat on John's head in the living room when John was only two months old. On accident or on purpose? She said the father sat on

his head for, quote, quite a while. On purpose. That's on purpose. Figured I'd answer that with the next question. Why speculate? Let's just, the next sentence should answer that. For a little while. For quite a while. Which, okay.

Physical examination at the time failed to find any injury, which was probably just some doctor going, I don't know, his head seems round to me. He looks all right. I'm sure he's fine. She, though, still believes her son's brain may have been permanently injured by that. She says, quote, a baby's skull is very soft at two months, two months old, and something like that being and something like being sat on could easily cause a head damage. Oh, I'm sorry. Head damage.

I know she's from the mountains and she's not a sophisticated woman. That's fine. You don't have to be. But head damage? That's awesome. He's got the head damage. Oh, man. And I like that she said his skull is soft.

It's not soft. It's not even fucking fused yet. It's very soft. It's still got a hole in it. I really hope the NFL players can mount just something against the league to mitigate their head damage. They really got to curb the head damage. That head damage. She's got four kids.

He's the oldest. And she said he was always unruly. Unruly at all times. From a young age, going on, moving forward. They moved and he was still a fucking nut the kid was and his father she called a sadist so that's nice that's what you want to call your ex-husband i'm sure it sounds true though he's uh he was being treated for a mental illness at the perry point veterans hospital at the time but he wasn't really wasn't really following instructions and it wasn't really taken that well for him. And basically, she said that he beat Freddie from an early age.

Oh, my God. Oh, Jesus. Quote, once punching him in the scrotum. I know that's terrible. I don't know why the sentence once punching him in the scrotum is just funny. I don't know why. I think it's your father punching you in the balls. He's fucking nuts. Not in the balls, Jimmy. In the scrotum. In the scrotum is just funny. I don't know why. I think it's your father punching you in the balls. He's fucking nuts.

Not in the balls, Jimmy. In the scrotum. In the scrotum. If it happens to hit a ball along the way, that's the ball's fault. But I was just going for your sack. I don't know what to tell you. At that age, there may not have been any in the sack. That's what I mean.

You've got to really take a couple of shots at it. So for some reason, I don't know what would make a father have the idea to punch his kid in the dick but i don't know he actually also sat on his head yeah and he sat on his head uh he's she said though the mental abuse was worse uh there basically uh one while his because he would she would work and she would uh it was a bricklayer and she worked in a factory and she'd work night shift and all this shit i guess once when she was working patty the mother the father here a social worker would later testify um would oh my god this is sick the father would turn the power off in the house okay while the mother was gone this is at night yeah

turn all the power off in the house and then whisper through the heating vents that he was the devil and that he was coming after Freddy. What the fuck? He would, through the vents, he would, I'm the devil and I'm coming for you, Freddy. And you can't turn the lights on because I've killed them all. And he'd go to turn the lights on. There's no power. That's what I mean.

He was like, I imagine how terrifying that would be. Flipping the switch back and forth. Imagine how terrifying that is for a six-year-old. Jesus. What are you going to do? Run to your dad so he can punch you in the scrotum? That doesn't sound... Sit on your head.

That sounds frightening as fuck. So, clearly, he's coming from a bad place. At night, Jesus Christ, at night, this is bad. Oh, my. At night, the father would put sleeping pills in his wife's after-dinner coffee. Oh, no. Coffee after dinner coffee coffee after dinner why would he do that you think jimmy you know exactly why to have another baby um no well uh well not with her anyway no he did that so he could have sex with the oldest daughter no yeah knock out the wife

sleeping pills he like reverse cosputer yeah put her out to go fuck somebody else to go yeah so he wouldn't be around so she wouldn't be around yeah couldn't get in the way of it didn't know what was going on awful beyond awful it's his daughter too it's not even like it's a stepdaughter or some which is still gross it's still fucking you know child molestation but this is incestuous child molestation that's unbelievable scarier um yeah it place, by the way, in the same bedroom where Freddie slept. Oh, no. Because they slept in the same room. Often, sometimes, in the same bed with just a blanket separated.

Gross. So he had to pretend he was sleeping while this was going on. Oh, my God. And then if his mom was... That's if his mom is home. And if she's gone, then the lights are out and he's hiding from the devil. Yeah. So, not good.

No. Not a good upbringing, let's just say here. Unbelievable. Yeah. As you might imagine, he had some acting out in school and was always in trouble. Jesus Christ. You'd think he would be thrilled to be at school just because my dad isn't here. Fuck.

I'd be like, can I join every after school program there is? Is there like a sleepover program where I could be janitor at night and go to school like two a.m debate team i'm into that whatever we got here's like a midnight basketball league going on i can join what can we do here if not i'll just gladly clean the school i'll be night janitor i don't give a fuck all night yeah i'll you show up the next morning i'll have my coveralls and a mop and i'll be taking notes i don't give a fuck but apparently he acted out in school and was expelled at 12 for exploding a homemade bomb on school property he's making bombs he's making bombs he's acting out in hey what gets you more attention than a fucking explosion that'll do it that'll do it um the officials at the school called him quote ungovernable

okay all right that's like what was a couple weeks ago someone was deemed incorrigible by the courts he's been just called ungovernable by the school that's amazing that's a hell of a i'd put that on a business card i'm ungovernable everyone ungovernable yeah jesus christ so he displayed strong antisocial behavior. He would play before he got expelled. He would skip elementary school, which is people normally don't play hooky from elementary school. I don't think I ever did that. No, he was seen by psychiatric professionals at a university and at Johns Hopkins Hospital.

The school tried to set him up with these appointments, but basically didn't really didn't really affect him very much. At 14, we'll talk about he got sent away for car theft, which is, yeah, which is here. He's sent to Boys Village in Prince George's County, which is where if you watch, I don't know, The Wire, that is where they always threaten to send Naaman, and that's where they send fucking, that's where they send Bodhi, where he escapes with the mop bucket there

and runs out on the street, and he's all hurt from getting beat up by the cops and gets flagged down and gets back to the neighborhood, and then Herc and fucking Carver see him again and throw him, rough him up. He's like, yo, I got my papers, man. What the fuck? He's released.

It's a long story. That's the place. That's the place. It's Boys Village, and got my papers, man. What the fuck? He's released. It's a long story. Anyway, that's the place. It's it's it's Boys Village. They always talk about that. So, yeah, Prince George's County. It's a home for troubled youngsters here. But things get worse for him because he runs away all the time and that sort of shit.

So he would run away from Boys Village. Yeah. And they bring it back. It's fucking terrible. Oh, it's terrible. And it's a group home. I mean, I'm sure it's it's difficult. It awful it's an awful place it's it's just as bad because there's just as much sexual fucking problems and he's got victim written all over him this kid and he's not we'll talk about too he's very small when he's a kid too he's a small skinny kid as we'll

we'll get into so hard uh so he runs away repeatedly finally, they send him to the Maryland Training School for Boys in Cub Hill, which is basically the toughest of the reform, you know, juvenile reform things that they can get him in. And he runs away again. Now, at this point, runs away again. He steals and wrecks a car during one of his escapes. So the juvenile officials at that point say we're done with this fucking kid at 15 what'd they do done they ship his ass to adult to the adult system yeah at 15 oh my god may 1964 thanos is sentenced to two years in an adult prison for larceny at 15 years old uh basically a psychiatrist at the time described him as a, quote, highly disturbed youth full

of hostility and irresponsible acting out. Yeah, we got to figure out what to do with these kids, man. Exactly. Well, the psychiatrist recommended that he be sent to the Patuxent Institution for treatment. It's a hospital for treatment uh although he said he expressed doubts that this kid guy would benefit from quote any presently known means of therapy in the 60s he's like we don't know how to handle this basically you try to help him he says fuck you and he goes and steals a car and crashes in it what do you do there's no way

you put him in prison he says i don't give a fuck i'll escape yeah there's no you can't teach that kid that he has worth and that he's loved that's the thing it's so late it's too late now that's the problem again on the wire when they do the they do a program where they go to the school it's like an experimental program where they basically try to find try to find kids that are troubled that are like they call them the corner boys the kids that are going to go out on the street and run around but that aren't like hardened criminals yet they try like like 10th graders and they're like fuck your mother you know they don't they're already we need them younger it's done so like oh no younger younger that's too old about 13 is going to be our ceiling here on this one because they're already you know telling you they're going to

skull fuck you and shit like some teenage kid in there so it's a they're already way off so if you don't get them by like 12 yeah shit is too late that's your brain starts to cement a little bit and it's not good it's not too late for everybody obviously some kids will take to this sort of thing but they might not have the sort of background and mental mental problems too that this young man has here than. So he is sentenced to two years in adult prison. Like I said, bad stuff here. Baltimore, you know, this is because they just got tired of him. Now he's 15. He weighs 120 pounds.

And he's sent to Hagerstown Adult Prison at 120 pounds and 15. As you can imagine, that's not going to go well here. He basically, from what the institution said, this is from the internal documents there, other inmates seized on Thanos' small stature to abuse and sodomize him, obviously. Yeah, he's diagnosed as schizophrenic at age 17, a diagnosis which later on evolves into borderline personality disorder. They said that he has self-destructive tendencies, gender identification disturbance, and that he mostly loses his ability to control his actions when under stress. And also he attempted suicide numerous times while in prison. Of course. As you might imagine. There's a mugshot prison picture from the time when he's in his early 20s from a sentence at a Maryland penitentiary that he's going to be in for a little while here where he's wearing women's clothing and makeup and has long braided pigtails. Yeah, because that gets him out of trouble.

It doesn't get him out of trouble. That's what he has to do. Oh, they're making him either. Either he's doing it on purpose. Either he's decided that that's his that's his identity or he's being told that that's what he's supposed to fucking wear. And that's what he has to look like because he's being pimped out. So either one, something bad is happening here. It's very, very bad here.

When he, though, says later on in court that that picture is fabricated he said that's a fake picture okay so that's definitely not a choice yeah exactly that's what i mean it's a fake picture he says so um there's no photoshop in 67 exactly to do it that well too so uh yeah he's 5 7 120 and uh in prison and and a teenager here he's me when i graduated high school. Yeah. Horrifying. If you were two years younger, too, had less experience. Basically, an early entry in his prison record notes that he was given isolation time for,

quote, allowing two other prisoners to sodomize him. Wait, what? Yes. He was punished. He's punished for that. Yeah. There's no sexual activity in jail. And if they consider it voluntary, which then they don't have to do as much paperwork,

if they consider it voluntary, then it's just sexual activity among inmates. It's a certain thing. And they write them up and send them to seg. It's hard to say that little guy allowed that. He's not even an adult. No. You know what I mean? It's at least statutory.

So basically, he's in trouble the whole time. He's in jail the first time. He set fire to his tear, which is, you know, they'll get your attention. He broke the window out of his cell and fought with other inmates. So this are all attention, attention, attention. They said he said that his doctor said that it was his way of dealing with fear. He would basically break the rules so he would be placed in isolation where he was safe from getting beat up and raped by other inmates. That makes sense. Which is a decent strategy, I guess.

So they also at this point during this first day, prison doctors begin giving him Thorazine and Medaril to try to calm him from his outbursts. Yeah. They would give him tranquilizers and then keep him in a solitary room and they said quote they didn't know how violent he was because he was kept on pills then after that he was calm yeah because he can't if you medicate people yeah yeah that's what happens and that's what happens too in that prison book i was reading recently they're talking about prisoners who basically they get medicated all through jail. They're medicated while they're in jail. So there's no outbursts.

And then it says in their prison and all of their records that they're not causing a problem and that their mental condition is good. So then when they get out of jail, they apply to have that medication so they can get it paid for because they can't afford it. And they say no, because you were fine in prison. That's because you were medicated. But they can't afford it and they say no because you were fine in prison but that's because you were medicated but they don't take that into consideration so then they send unmedicated people out into the street who just got out of jail and don't know what the fuck they're doing and require medication and require medication so they put and then you're like do do good right like no they're gonna be back very soon obviously be right back yeah so uh it's a fucking disaster so he's uh so he marched 1966 he's released from his first prison sentence and to october 69 he's

in and out of trouble trouble all through that time he stole a bunch of cars he assaulted a police officer all sorts of shit in the two and a half years he's out you know as a young man here uh finally in october of 1969 he's arrested and charged with raping a woman in baltimore so it's gotten worse now it's a full full-on full circle now and it's it's much worse rather than a convenience store oh that's not shit stealing a car is nothing this is a personal this is a violent crime good lord this is a violent personal crime this is awful but i mean think about what he's been you know to him that's i don't know if he's trying to give it give it back or what the fuck it is what his mental condition is but i i don't know because i don't know what the fuck people are thinking when they're doing i can't imagine something horrible

like that so uh he proclaims his innocence he didn't do it says he did not do it proclaims his innocence uh you know whatever uh the judge says oh you're innocent that's good you sir may fuck off 21 years in prison okay so gone yeah um now what he did at that point was threaten the jury you better hope i never get out because I'll come to your fucking houses and I'll slit all your fucking throats. That sort of stuff, which is we'll talk about it. He loves to talk in court. Oh, boy, does he have outbursts? He has the greatest, not the greatest, but the craziest penalty hearing in the history of court.

But you don't get more time for that. Oh, yeah. but for like you don't get more time for that oh yeah that's if the jury says guilty and i'll fucking kill all you then the judge is like well let's see you get the maximum rather than i was going to give you 10 but now you get 21 right that's how that works you should give him more based on uh 12 threats he just made oh well it gets worse okay once he goes to prison uh for this rape sentence he sent a prison photo of himself to the woman he raped planning telling her that he plans to escape and he'll see her real soon oh my how did oh yeah how the fuck does that get through yeah i mean how does it get through i don't know what the

monitoring system was that all of that yeah so my fucking disgusting so yeah he's there uh during that time by the way during this time he's here he now this woman receives a letter and a fucking and a picture saying i'm going to escape and i'm going to escape and come see you and lo and behold he escapes oh no he escapes prison uh he escaped by hiding in a laundry basket that's how he got out like it seems to be pretty common like a fucking like an old like a tango and cash escape like a fucking don't they have like i don't know a sword or something they can stab down just jab that down through the sheets boys just stab this cart i didn't stab i'll stab this one all prison sheets or towels are just take Take an upside down broom, anything. Just jab the shit out of it.

Nope. Apparently they skipped a bin. Good fuck, man. The basket was tracked down to Montebello Hospital in Northeast Baltimore, where he was recaptured by city police. Oh my God. What he is given for that is an additional five-year sentence. But that woman, imagine if he got out of there.

Oh, sweet Jesus. So he served a year in solitary confinement in the South Wing, which they called very notorious as a horrible place to be, after he and another inmate attacked some guards. So, yeah. And then another investigation showed that Thanos was the victim of a brutal beating at the hands of the same guards. And that's why it was a retaliatory. The prisoners retaliated against the guards for a beating that they took that they felt was unwarranted. That happens.

His mother said that he got in a lot of fights in prison and everything else. And, you know, he tried it. She talked about his escape attempt and everything. So eventually here he is released from prison. Reformed, and now everything's great. He's all good here. It's fine. He's released in 1986.

So he does about 15 of 21 years. So three quarters of a sentence. Good amount. Yeah. Not even a month after he's released, he holds up a Hartford county convenience store in may of 86 and is captured by deputies following a chase he ran he ran oh fuck yeah he's not going back uh once they caught him he told them quote i should have started killing police when i got out of prison i would shoot as many as i could as i would shoot as many in the back as i could in the back in the back yeah he doesn't give a fuck uh so judge here

judge brodnex cameron oh boy uh junior yeah he sentenced thanos you sir again to 10 years in prison 10 years uh but that is later reduced to seven years why i don't know seems like he'd be like let's just hold on to this guy as long as possible yeah let's do that here it feels like it feels like old judge bro had it on had it down he knew what he was doing yeah and they who who reduced it it was like an upper upper court you can appeal the sentence and i guess more mitigating factors like seven will do they probably brought up his prison records and now he's you know his family records i'm sure and all that sort of thing and i don't know this guy's pretty fucked we should let him out three years earlier.

Yeah, let's let him out earlier. No help, though. Let's not help him in jail at all. No fucking mental help or anything like that. Come on. Jesus Christ. Put him in a cage. Matter of fact, put him in a cage by himself.

Right. Really get him in there. That way he can think about it. The man's in his 30s, early 40s, and this is... Yeah, he's 37 at this point so prior to this sentencing in 1986 this is what his uh psychiatrist for the state wrote about him this is the funniest thing ever quote this gentleman first of all no this gentleman come on this gentleman makes rather serious threats against a lot of individuals.

These threats should not be disregarded. And he also said that he is pissed off at the world. Yeah. So there's that. This gentleman. I have concern about the mental well-being of this gentleman. So, yeah. So now he's been in jail for car stealing, rape, prison break, and all this shit.

Everything but murder. Everything but murder. And that's on the fucking menu because he said so. He said, shit, prison break, and all this shit. Everything but murder. Everything but murder. And that's on the fucking menu because he said so. He said, shit, why didn't I do that? God damn it. Now, his prison records through this say that he used whatever drugs he could get his hands on and was constantly making homemade wine. Constantly making prison toilet wine. Just always doing fucking prison wine.

I hate that they call that shit wine. Yeah, that's not wine that is i don't know why you'd call it wine this is uh this is gross this is poison that'll get you drunk right want to get poisoned enough to feel good but not die here you go drink what's left of these oranges that have been in my toilet for fucking six weeks six months don't worry about my shit flex on there it's okay so uh he also stabbed another inmate while he's in here after an 86 and also got 10 months of solitary confined confinement for hitting a prisoner with a table leg repeatedly 10 months

for that 10 months for beating another prisoner repeatedly with a table leg so i like that he had to take the table leg off first and then be like i'll use this to beat to beat him with i like when you can see a clear like line through line of thoughts right i don't like him there's a table i'll take the leg i'll beat him with it there we go to me that's probably expedited a little bit faster than that in terms of like somebody got pushed into the table and it broke. It broke and he picked it up and started fucking whacking the guy. This'll do. Probably. Imprisoning.

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Repeatedly, basically. He constantly he wrapped at one point he wrapped his hair he has long hair he wrapped his long hair around his throat to try to strangle himself with his own hair doesn't work i wonder if that's happened before it doesn't work no you'd have to have really strong roots yeah to pull well also to pull tight enough to cut the air off i think your roots are gonna pull out first before your depends on what's stronger your roots or your trachea jimmy what do you think i don't know hair roots or trachea for you i'm going to go trachea yeah not for everybody though who knows depends on how many i mean a rope it's stronger when you get more rope well you know

when there's more strands there's like a native american's hair that looks there you go that looks thick and strong and yeah yeah one course. Yeah, one of those. Some nice hanging hair there. Ball hair might do it. Maybe. That just seems to be thick. Yeah, you're right. But you'd have to really grow it out.

You'd have to tie the ends together. You'd have to really want it for that, we'll say. You'd have to braid and tie. It'd take a long time. Unless you slowly cut it and then let it grow back and you braid all that shit together. And then you can make a long string. You can't. Well, you're going to have to tie and braid, though, Jimmy.

That's a few months. You're going to need layers. It's going to be a lot. It's going to be tough. I'd like to see it done. You never know. So his attorneys say that the suicide attempts were real and they were part of his mental illness. And the prosecutors say that they were just a ruse to get to the

hospital where he'd have a better chance to escape okay so like they weren't real suicide attempts here uh either way though the inmates describe now in prison there's you know different levels basically there's the normal people there's the kind of the there's different groups right and even i'm even talking racially or anything like that but like there's one of the main groups is there's regular people and then there's the crazy motherfuckers that everybody kind of avoids basically because it's just you don't even bother with that shit because they're just gonna go crazy so thanos by the other inmates was considered quote crazy and sick so if you're considered sick and crazy by the other inmates was considered quote crazy and sick so if you're considered sick and crazy

by the other inmates but that is my opinion that's his way from keeping people from fucking with him he's learned a long time ago i can't they're gonna fuck with me if i try to get along with people because i'm clearly not a not a i'm just not on the normal human level with people so if i act crazy and sick people won't beat the shit out of me and rape me and stuff so i feel like that's what he's trying to do he went by the nickname of the hound and sometimes a lot of times he'd walk around telling people that he was the devil yeah in prison just so you know right by the way i'm the devil have a good day by the way i'm the devil chicken patties in the chow hall today have Have a good one. Have you heard? Have you heard? Around here?

I'm the devil. So, yeah, he's got borderline personality disorder. He's got self-mutilation, suicidal gestures, inability to sustain relationships. These are all borderline things here. Now, like we said, though, near the end of this, he sort of pulls it together a little bit. I don't know if this is an attempt for parole, but gets his diploma does some classes at the uh eciu and uh gets some a's and b's oh april 5th 1990 he is released from eci so he's released from prison april 5th 1990 now on the day he is to be released the day he's released remember lofton the correctional officer who he she hates his letters yeah uh she filed a complaint against him another one for threatening her on the days to be

released uh she says quote i've received 21 letters from john thanos wow this john thanos has stated he would quote put me 10 feet under if i did not return the attention not even six ten they'll be looking for you six right ten they'll be like well nothing's under here 21 i don't think we even got that many from those uh uh those groups yeah from the groups that are mad at us they're trying to get us to stop jesus christ so he says she says quote john thanos has made his sexual desires known to me and once he is released from prison his intentions are easy to carry out she said that uh john thanos has a strong infatuation with me and i do believe once he's released from prison he plans to accomplish

all the threats and the desires and fantasies i plead with the courts to issue any type of order to keep john thanos away from me and my family i'm not i'm not even going to specify which order it's whichever one you want whichever one keeps him the fuck away from me just start one get it going so uh what ends up happening is they fill out all the the the work all the paperwork to get him out of jail and as soon as he walks out of the gate state troopers come and rearrest him and pull him back in the jail for threats for the threats so he's released from prison they're like there you go you're free man and they go not so fast asshole literally took the cuffs off and another cop came and put other cuffs on him and took him inside so uh he's arrest threatening a

state official is the official charge here uh the prison guards were aware that he was going to be released uh arrested on release and they were all laughing at him as he was filling out the paperwork they let him walk outside the gates and watch the state police bring him back in and then laughed at him some more now if he's not gonna get fixed let's fuck with him i mean they're just gonna have fun plus he's been harassing the guards and shit so now after his arrest though after this arrest he's released on his own recognizance oh that's oh yeah now he's pissed too right now he's super pissed you just kicked the fucking anthill oh yeah what are you doing yep and uh he is ordered to stay away from

lofton that's it he's ordered to stay away from him by the judge but i mean that's not a we're gonna inconvenience your day get you good and and pissed, and then tell you the reason that we did that. Yeah. And who's responsible for this in your head. Then shoot you back out again. Oh, God. That's rough, man. So, now, in the spring of 1990, he gets a job as a bricklayer.

So, he's laying some bricks, which is, you know, I mean, if you're coming out of... Come with your own thoughts. Yeah. Well, if you're coming out of prison for basically your entire life since you were 12, you really take anything you can get at that point. I don't know. You go to Brick Lane. That's what your mom did.

And any smell that is associated with Brick Lane, you smell it and you remind it of your mom. And you're furious about your childhood anyway. This is not good. No, it's probably literally the only job he could get. Probably you know pick that up and put it there oh boy so uh may 24th 1990 uh this is uh the court date for his threatening of the official uh the case is indefinitely postponed on a motion from the state's attorney with the condition that thanos report to a probation officer so that's the thing like okay we'll let him out he doesn't have to we're going to delay the whole thing but he's going to have to check in with somebody and like they make a deal with him basically um and this is the somerset

county assistant state's attorney he says we were what we were trying to do was keep him away from the girl and we thought that he that this would accomplish that okay from the girl from the girl who's a corrections officer uh why they said so they placed it in the inactive docket which means they can bring it back at any time within a year if he fucks up basically so they said quote so we had this to hold over his head if he did anything else or threatened anything he also said there was some question whether the state would win a conviction on the charge of threatening a state official he said quote we figured if he went uh went back across the bay to baltimore that he was going to be away from the woman and that he would leave her alone so like we're gonna leave well enough alone if he's staying away from her let's

just all fucking pretend it didn't happen put some water in between him and her yeah well maybe once he got out too maybe he doesn't care about her anymore because he was just sorry every day it's a taste of freedom that's i mean maybe fuck her there's a lot of people out there who knows basically so july 12th 1990 he sees his mom he stops and sees his mom she said that he was in bel-air as a working in bel-air as a bricklayer and uh there and um at that point though he quits that job on july 12th because he leaves to go live with in salisbury which is close by with uh where he had a girlfriend oh he's got a girlfriend how the hell do you get this how the fuck does he get a girlfriend oh my that is his mom says quote his girlfriend is black and he had a lot of trouble with her parents because they didn't approve the

relationship because he was white so they had a little problem there. Romeo and Juliet. Romeo and Juliet. Well, if Romeo was a fucking psychopath. Yeah. Juliet didn't know about his history. That's what we'd have here. Google didn't exist.

And Google does not exist. July 30th, 1990. He gets another job. He's got to have a job here because he's got to check in with a probation officer because he's so they don't refile these charges against him nearly three weeks later he's got a new job new job now this jimmy yeah i understand that you're enjoying working on the podcast and we have a good time and we tour and we do all this but you might want to put it all on hold yeah for this job night night shift at the purdue chicken processing plant

oh boy i'm sure that smells nice at two in the morning yeah oh my god the smell of chicken murder how do you not just dive into one of the fucking machines how do you not just go fuck it i mean he was if he was really trying, he's got it at his disposal now. That's the thing. It seems like maybe he's got a girlfriend. He's got a job. Maybe he's trying to be normal for once. So, I mean, you never know.

Problem is, his old things come back here. Right around the time he gets a job at Purdue, a woman on the eastern shore charges Thanos, actually, with the police, with exposing himself to her after she gave him a ride. Nice enough to give the guy a ride. And he says, hey, look at my cock. Thanks for the ride. Yeah. Here's my dick. But he didn't, like, sexually assault her. He didn't touch her.

We didn't touch her, basically, or do anything like that. He just showed her. He was like, she was like, get the fuck out of my car and he was like come on and uh she's like no no which i mean we're laughing but if you have a stranger he gave him a ride he takes his to give him a ride and he takes his dick out that is frightening this guy you don't know what the fuck he's capable of also if you pick up a stranger and you don't see their dick i don't know that's you never know that's a a weird situation, too. That, too. So he was worried that these charges would send him back to prison, obviously, because so that sort of thing.

So August of 1990 here, he is, I guess, trying to get it together. He shows up at he was living in an apartment. He moves out of that and he shows up at the Hotel Esther, which is a 98 year old house in Salisbury that has rooms for rent. And he rents a $60-a-week room from the owner. And the owner tells the guy, this Ron Callis, tells him that he recently moved out of his girlfriend's home because they were having problems. So he's just broken up with his girlfriend, maybe over the family issues, maybe because he's a psychopath. We don't know.

Until she found out. There's a lot of reasons really that this had a relationship with this guy could end we don't know maybe she heard about a little ride he just took that's the other thing who fucking knows so uh he ends up leaving uh the hotel estuary stays there until august 28th and uh he tells the owner uh ron he says, quote, or Ron says, quote, he said he had to leave town. He was in a hurry to get his affairs in order. Now, by this point, Thanos, full grown, obviously, he's in his 40s, 5'11", 150 pounds, long hair, ponytail, all that sort of thing.

The owner says, gave him no problems, didn't make a noise. He was, you know, ideal tenant for the 11 days he was there. Basically, he was wonderful. On August 23rd, Thanos is seen by his probation officer at the Hotel Esther. So, I mean, you know, everything seems on the up and up. Now, August 25th, Patty Thanos, his mom, he stops and sees his mom. She saw him there. She said that he turned up at her house

after hitchhiking from salisbury yeah jesus christ he's just hitchhiking around man in 1990 i get that when you went to prison in 1965 hitchhiking was fine right but by 1990 it was let's just say it was out of fashion you know it was an eight track in terms of transportation yeah oh fuck jesus it was awesome so uh now she says the mother about him quote he came in and went right to sleep and didn't get up until around 9 a.m the next day jesus christ uh over breakfast she said she noticed something different about her about his face she said quote his jaw was sort of crooked. And she said, quote, he told me he'd been hit by a car a few days earlier in Salisbury. Okay. Yeah.

Hard enough to knock his jaw crooked. You got hit by a car, man. You look different. Wow. That's hit pretty hard. After breakfast, she said she drove him to the Trailways bus terminal on Rossville Boulevard across from the Golden Ring Mall, where he took a noon bus headed for Salisbury.

He said she says, quote, We got along pretty good while he was in my house and said he was doing OK at that at a Purdue processing plant in Salisbury. She says then she said he called her the next day from Salisbury and was a completely different person. She said, quote, He talked like he was crazy and said he was going to buy an assault rifle and have a shootout with the police. So he went from thanks for the ride, mom. Everything's great at Purdue to fuck everybody. Yeah.

In one day. Don't know what happened there. She said that, you know, she tried to talk him out of it and he threatened to kill her. So he said, I'll fucking kill you, too. I'll add you to the list. So after that, she called the state police and told them that her son was, you know, threatening to shoot police officers and her. And he's a little out there. And I believe him.

Yeah. I want to keep an eye out for I have a psychiatrist report that said he makes threats that should be taken very seriously. a psychiatrist report that said he makes threats that should be taken very seriously so uh yeah the the police though patty says uh quote they said nothing could be done because he hadn't done anything to be arrested for i guess he's just talking shit but i mean threats of murder is that's something i think at least a restraining order at least go ask him if he's serious yeah right talk shake him up a little bit stop him and ask a question or two nothing um now she said that she didn't hear anything more uh until a few days later when his girlfriend called her on she was about to walk out of the door to her factory job now

we'll talk about why the girlfriend called her we'll talk about his next few days his end of august august 27th he quits his job at purdue he quits his job um yes this is the day before he moves out of the hotel esther quits his job he's a packer on the night shift there by the way man um he apparently abruptly quits his job dude just walks out says i'm done uh moves out of the apartment house does everything august 29th he cashes his paycheck from purdue and uh uses it to buy a 22 caliber semi-automatic rifle from a gun shop in salisbury um he himself saws the barrel down oh shit yeah saws it saws it off that's not 20 you don't want to do that well you do if you want to fit it into a black doctor's bag that you do that's why you do it yeah that's what he wanted if you want it to be unseen yeah but if you want

to be not going for long-term accuracy he's not target shooting accuracy you want that much longer he's not doing like an olympic decathlon or try whatever the fuck it is where they shoot something yeah he needs it to feel like he should have bought a pistol would have been easier i don't know this is probably cheap 22 caliber rifle you know 200 bucks a pistol. It would have been easier. I don't know. This is probably a cheap.22 caliber rifle. 200 bucks. Yes. I mean, it might have been cheap. Now, Jesus Christ, it's at this point on the 29th.

Oh, boy. This is fucking crazy. August 29th. This is August 29th. He's got the gun. He gets a cab. The cab driver is a guy named Milton Marcy in Salisbury here. cab okay the cab driver's a guy named milton marcy in salisbury here now uh basically they're just driving along and uh marcy says he remembers he was a nervous looking man

thanos was who smelled of aftershave you could smell like aqua velvet on him pretty strong said he got in his cab at about 11 15 and asked to be taken out to a remote destination which is never good no for a cab driver. The cab driver says, I get there. The guy was digging for $5 or what I thought that's what he was digging for. But he said instead, he opened up his black doctor's bag and whipped out his rifle. And he tells, Thanos tells Marcy to disconnect the two-way radio and pulled out, you know, had his gun.

By the way, his gun he had all wrapped in duct tape for some reason. Because that looks scarier. Because it looks cooler, better grip. I don't fucking know. I don't know. Maybe he sawed the barrel off. Maybe he took some other shit off of it. Yeah.

Oh, shit. I got to put that back on. Oh, it needs that. It doesn't fit anymore. I can't saw the trigger off. It doesn't work the same. Shit. All right.

So basically what he does here thanos takes marcy's fare money which was 66 what he had in his you know lock box there and told him to drive on uh you know don't keep driving with them in the car it tells him to park about a quarter of a mile away they park and he tells him to stop and thanos tells marcy to stop and hand over the keys to the cab. Okay. Now, at this point, Thanos tells Marcy to get in the trunk. He's getting the fucking trunk.

And Marcy doesn't want to. He says, no, I don't want to get in the fucking trunk. Nobody ever gets out of the trunk. Yeah, that's bad. You're not in the trunk just to hang out. You don't have like hors d'oeuvres in there for me. That's the end spot. Oh, what do you have?

Oh, cocktails. Lovely. That's never in there for me or like that's the end spot oh what do you have oh cocktails lovely that's never in there so he goes i had the best night first i got oh my god first i was forced into a trunk at gunpoint unbelievable best trunk i've ever been in that's always the beginning of the worst story yeah it's where people are found right many times on our show he said though that uh thanos snapped at him and got very mad and he says if you don't stop all this nonsense i'm going to blow you away that's what he tells marcy so marcy says all right i mean i guess i get in the trunk i mean if he's gonna shoot me in the trunk or out of the trunk i might as well i guess i'll stay alive another minute at least i should lay down fuck it yeah. Yeah, might as well. So Marcy got in and basically closed the trunk. And the guy drove away with him in the trunk.

And they get toward town and they stopped. And basically, Marcy said that Thanos, quote, he taps on the trunk and says, you'll be all right. Okay. Just tapped on the trunk, said, you'll be all right. And then he said he heard the man walk to a car and drive drive away oh thank god so he's like holy shit so uh yeah he um so we just went for a ride he just wanted to steal the cab the cab fare okay that's all it was so marcy said he heard him walk away he said inside the trunk he grabbed a tire jack and started fucking banging on the trunk which roused a a dog that was in a yard nearby

who started barking, and the neighbor called the police on the barking dog, and the police came while he's banging on a fucking trunk, and the police let him out of the trunk. And then somebody wrote a review and said, this neighborhood sucks. People are always fucking with my dog. Yeah, constantly.

Banging on trunk. I was going to say that. I wonder if they blame it on those kids and write a bad review so uh now he says the marcy says a couple days later when he hears about thanos and what he's all about he says quote i heard he was a ticking time bomb evidently he wasn't ticking that night very lucky so then august 31st he has to hitchhike because he's a hitchhiker to uh thanos he likes to hitchhike he is picked up on the road by 18 year old gregory allen gregory allen taylor jr who's driving a blue ford festiva a tiny little piece of shit bastard he's 18 yeah you know uh picks him up i don't know why you would pick him up in a rural area too one person fits in that car god jesus right you have to be

on top of somebody who picks somebody up in the woods too like no no so inside the car they get in there talk for a minute and uh not too long before thanos takes out his rifle from his doctor bag and orders taylor to drive to a remote wooded area okay um now tells him to drive it's a deserted logging road down here uh they get out of the car tells him to get out of the car taylor asks him to let him go and thanos says no i don't think so he goes what i am going to do i'm going to tie you to this tree that's what i'm going to do and the kid taylor didn't want to be tied to a tree because he was scared obviously no one wants to be tied to a tree in the forest to be eaten by animals or shot by this

guy then eaten by animals so he didn't want to be tied up so uh thanos what he does here uh they get down there he said he you know the kid he kept saying he didn't want to be tied to a tree so thanos shoots him three times in the head three times in the head, killing him, obviously, there with the 22. And, yeah, so fucking this kid's dead as can be, obviously. He took his wallet and got $5 in cash. So there's that. Put it in that festiva. That'll get you to Cuba.

Yeah, on that $5. He takes the festiva as well and drives away. So this kid was a welder, an apprentice welder, just started doing that, lived in Hebron, small town west of Salisbury. And yeah, he was just, kid was just driving home and saw a guy. It was a nice, nice kid, picked the guy up and that's what he gets for it. So what he does is Thanos takes the Festiva, goes and buys hair dye and colors his hair black so he looks more like the kid. Oh, my God.

He's like 44 years old. You don't look like the kid. No. Sorry. You don't look like an 18-year-old kid. But just at a glance. So if people looked in and saw black hair, they go, it's the same kid, I suppose. So the next day now, he's driving the Festiva.

He goes to a convenience store in Salisbury with the purpose of robbing it. He tries to rob it. He gets a few bucks and decides he wants to shoot the clerk in the head. He takes a shot at close range at the clerk to his head and the bullet grazes the side of the clerk's head. Yeah, because that gun's not accurate anymore and he ends up and he ends up uh not seriously injured but he goes down like he's seriously injured thanos walks out like he did the job and this kid gets up with a fucking graze on his head and goes to the hospital thank god so he's okay that's uh that's sept September 1st. September 2nd, now, Thanos goes to the mini-mart of a Big Red gasoline station.

It's a Big Red gas station. The other one was called Ernie's that he held up. This is called a Big Red. And there, there are two employees, okay? 16-year-old, one employee, actually. 16-year-old Billy Weinbrenner. His father is the manager of the store and general manager, and he works here as well. 16-year-old working at a gas station, typical.

So he's there and also hanging out with him, as kids who work at gas stations do. They have their friends hanging out. He has his 14-year-old girlfriend hanging out with him there, Melanie Pistorio. So she's hanging out there and Thanos comes in and he needs $10 worth of gas and he needs $20 in cash he says. But he's not robbing the place. He goes in and he has no money but he does have a

gold watch. He has a nice gold watch. He's coming to barter. And he literally barters. He says, hey, can you make me a deal? It's his father's watch that his father got upon retirement oh geez it's his father's retirement gold watch he says i will trade you my watch for ten dollars in gas and twenty dollars in cash and then under the terms of this deal he could get the watch back by coming back and giving them sixty dollars no this isn't a pawn shop this is a gas station but that's the deal he's making with these kids i'll give you

60 you give me half now and i'll pay you double and you give me my. But that's the deal he's making with these kids. I'll give you 60. You give me half now and I'll pay you double. And you give me my watch back. That's the deal. And the kids go, all right, fuck it. So they take the watch. They give him 20 bucks. They give him $10 worth of gas. So he does that.

That's what happens there. So then the next day, he comes back. And Billy's all alone there with just his girlfriend again, hanging out. And he returns Thanos does and he says he has $60 and he says okay cool I want my watch back and the kids don't have the watch the kids said it's in Melody's Melody's jewelry box in her bedroom at home for safekeeping she put it there whatever so uh you know she's there we don't have the watch I'm sorry and he said you know it's my watch. And he starts identifying it.

It says on the back of it inscribed is John S. Thanos. That's his dad. It's his dad's watch. So, you know, he's pissed, basically. He's pissed off. They're very apologetic. They offer to get the watch. We'll get it for you.

But we just don't have it right this minute. I don't carry it around with me. Didn't know you'd be back today. Right. It's the next day for Christ's sake. You were just here yesterday. Exactly. I put it in my jewelry box.

You didn't have $30 yesterday. I figured, how are you going to raise $60 in a day? Where are you getting $60 for a watch? Not even for gas. Right. So Thanos, at this point, pulls his gun out from his bag and orders Billy to fill the bag with cash. Oh, boy.

Fill my doctor's bag with cash. Billy and Melody are taking the money from the register and putting it in the bag with cash. Oh, boy. Fill my doctor's bag with cash. Billy and Melody are taking the money from the register and putting it in the bag, and they want no problems, no trouble from them. They're teenagers working at a gas station. No interest in being heroes here. So then Thanos shoots them each twice in the head. Oh, you dick.

Yeah. Back of the head, by the way. You didn't even see it. Fucking coward. Yeah, it was shooting Billy once in the back of the head and then another shot just to make sure and shot Melody twice in the head, by the way, for the one. Just, you didn't even see it. Fucking coward. Yeah, it was shooting Billy once in the back of the head and then another shot just to make sure and shot Melody twice in the head. 14-year-old girl. You know, you got to shoot them, obviously.

I mean, they're very... You're never getting your watch back. No, I don't think so here. And also, that's a pretty good chunk of evidence sitting in her jewelry box. Right. Who her sister ends up finding and going, who the fuck is John S. Thanos? Oh, boy. That helps the police a little bit here.

Melody, they have a huge funeral for these kids, obviously. Melody has her funeral in Essex. 120 people come, including the local congressman and all this shit. I mean, it's bad. You don't want two teenagers being murdered while they're trying to work at a gas station. What the fuck's he up to, though? Thanos here. Well, the police

are on the lookout for a uh tall thin scruffy long-haired man at this point uh now an anonymous tip comes in about 8 p.m that leads salisbury police to follow a car that is allegedly being driven by thanos along us 13 all right an officer in a patrol car chased a ford festiva joined by a second police car the two one car couldn't catch that thing well they thought they need backup they know he's armed so one guy on a bike could have caught the thing so the two cop cars pulled up near thanos just over the state line uh at the town of Mar, which is on the Maryland-Delaware border here. So basically, this is according to a Sergeant Charles McKinney of the police department here.

He stopped his car, Thanos did, and the Salisbury officers set up what they call a felony-style roadblock, which is when they're going to come out guns blazing and tell you to get out and get on your hands and get on your face and all that shit with one police car behind his car and the other pulling up beside it they're doing all of that which is not procedure now at all uh but anyway uh thanos opened up the driver's side window you know like someone would do when they're getting pulled over but instead he fires from his rifle he just starts bucking shots off. It's a clip loaded one, too. It's got a lot of bullets.

And he just starts fucking spraying police cars. I mean, he riddles both cars with bullets. Doesn't hit one cop. Doesn't hit anybody. But I mean, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop. He's spraying shots everywhere. They all stop for a minute. The cops are hiding.

And then Thanos fucking takes off. He speeds away uh the police said i love picturing a festiva going fast it goes fast turns away he actually loses the cops for a minute really he actually loses them okay then he ditches his car in the woods this is how he lost me ditched his car in the woods uh near uh route 454a and flagged down another car a guy named edward mason who is uh actually a resident of laurel delaware which i think we did as a town maybe so uh he's driving a black chevy beretta but those berettas from back then with that big stupid tail light it was a flat all the way across the wraparound job defender ugly as fuck and into the fender so uh the this

guy stops and picks him up now thanos jumps into the back seat of the beretta and uh tells the guy drive north so oh by the way he whips his gun out as well of course drive north uh thanos orders him to stop at a wendy's yeah it's for for, you know, hamburger place here in Smyrna, Delaware, which is 50 miles north of where this whole thing started. And the police tail him to the restaurant where now a shootout occurs in the Wendy's parking lot. Awesome. So now there are. I'm just trying to get chili. Big bacon classic and nuggets are flying everywhere and fucking cups of bad chili is.

It's a mess. Chili is so rad. And I cups of bad chili. It's a mess. Chili is so rad. And I know it's disgusting. It's a scrape. I know those kids do terrible things to it. And I eat it. I don't care. Whatever.

Thank you for your spit and whatever the fuck else you put in that shit. It's delicious. Fucking dead insect carcasses. There's no way. There's no way that they don't fuck with. Oh, it's fucked. It's the burnt scrapings from the day before what are you gonna do so the uh a smyrna area resident who stopped at wendy's for a frosty here a man named richard messick i mean this poor bastard's

eating a frosty next thing you know there's bullets flying everywhere he says quote they shot so many times so fast i didn't know what happened uh thanos shoots until he finally runs out of ammunition nobody's hit no that's a lot they're shooting at him he's shooting at him the only person that is even slightly wounded is the driver of the beretta is wounded in the finger oh a bullet grazed his finger that's what happened is the only injury in this entire shootout in a public place in a fast food parking lot somehow no one's injured it's fucked up man i ate his whole fries and so uh jamming and fucking stuffing it in his face so he surrenders at that point to the police he's

like all right i give up got no more bullets there and um yeah it's fucking wild so he waves extradition and he's returned to maryland and uh what he does is he's gonna uh he's gonna confess here and he's gonna lead people it's we'll talk about it so he says that they asked him what the hell happened and he says quote that he just killed and that's all because he was quote pissed off at the world that's what he says and then they said are you are you sorry and he says quote it's not my responsibility to be sorry that's what he shouts to the press as he's being led away by handcuffs and then he says quote the system didn't treat me fair that's fine but you have to shoot teenagers in the head it treated you plenty

fair there's no reason in the world you should be out of jail at the moment yeah i don't also think well we'll talk about that because he actually shouldn't be uh but i don't think it was fair to be thrown into adult prison at 15 being 120 pounds and being raped by adults correct that's not fair a lot of that wasn't fair yeah but we're well past that now that shit was 25 years ago these kids weren't even born yet and now they're dead right so i mean it's one of those really yeah it's uh we'll talk about it if you feel bad for him you won't soon trust me it's okay so his mother uh gets interviewed patty's back yeah she gets patty's back right she gets interviewed by a newspaper here and uh she said that um quote he said to me i want to kill in order to be killed he said that he was getting too old and he didn't have the guts to kill himself.

So he's going to have a shootout with the police. That's what he told his mom. He got his wish only. What the fuck? Didn't work. Fucker. Didn't work. Stop hiding.

So now they get him in and they want a confession. And he goes, no problem. Yeah, I'll tell you exactly what the fuck I did. They said, why did you not shoot the cab driver? And he said, quote, I guess it was a lapse of good sense. That's his answer to that. Lapse of good sense. Guess I should have shot him.

Wouldn't have another witness against me. That's what his thing. This is a videotape confession. They had the department had just set up videotape in videotape areas in the confession uh rooms like two months before so this is like the first big videotape confession they get here in the state of maryland so uh uh he admits to shooting gregory taylor jr he uh he smokes a cigarette and calmly just yeah here's what it is um you know he also by the way would stop during his confession to bitch that the cops didn't shoot better like if you fucking guys were better shots i wouldn't have to be sitting here with you

assholes right now yeah jesus christ how many times did someone have to shoot at you for you to fucking kill them also if you were a better shot we wouldn't be sitting here yeah either way but he's like you guys suck he was like making fun of them telling they suck you guys suck you shoot like shit as i am yeah and I'm not even trained in this shit. Yeah. So they said, well, why were you robbing shit if you wanted to die? And he said, quote, I just wanted the basics to keep me alive so I could kill until they could kill me.

He said, and goddamn, I'm still alive and now I'm in pain. So he's pissed off. He admitted everything. He also leads detectives to Taylor's body out in the woods off the highway because, you know, parents kind of wanted to fucking bury the poor kid here. Yeah. This poor kid, he said that for a moment they asked him about Taylor and he said for a moment he almost didn't kill Taylor.

He wasn't going to kill him. And they said, why? And he said, quote, because he seemed so innocent. He was. Yeah, because he was a child. You dick. Then he he said quote but my twisted what my twisted mind was twisting and i said what the hell what does it matter so that's what he did there his first murder right yeah that's his first he tried to shoot the other one but that's his first actual murder um then he said you know what does it matter and then he said that it quote he was a constant nuisance

said he was so innocent but what a pain in the ass he said quote whining he didn't want to cooperate so i just got fed up and i just shot him in the head i took him found a place and laid him down he still didn't want to be tied up so i shot him in the head three times and i left that's it it's a fucking pain in the ass oh boy jesus i shoot he doesn't fucking listen still so i gotta shoot him more oh boy then he said it the other problem was he took the festiva and he said that he had been in prison so far long in his life that he didn't know how to get gas yeah he didn't know how to fill a gas tank up literally because last time he had known it was all like full service back in the day and now they go fill her up and they check your fucking fluids and that's not how it is in 1991 1990 so he's like i didn't

even know how to get gas he tells the cops he's like it was crazy i never learned how i was like where the fuck does this thing go ten dollars in gas twenty dollars for this watch and then tell me how to work that dad gum stop my ass or how's it go now doggone pump now we get to the teenagers now they ask him um what the fuck basically and he said oh no he said i killed them despite the fact that they put up no resistance whatsoever did everything i asked him to do he said quote i shot that boy in the head he tried to he tried to duck but i shot him on his way down. And she tried to duck, and I shot her on the way down. Then I shot him two more times in the head, I think. And I shot her one more time.

Blood spattered back on the gun and on me a little bit. And, you know, he said he had to spit on his gun to wipe the blood off that was spattered. He gave a detailed thing of what he did. He's like, this is a huge pain in the ass. He describes everything as just a huge pain in the ass. And I do that and then this fucking guy comes. So they said,

that is the thought that I had when I was tied up and robbed that that was the exact thing. I don't know what the fuck's going through

this guy's head. how are you supposed to? It's horrifying. You have no idea. And they're terrified and you can feel a gun shaking on the back of your head. It is so scary.

This isn't a comfortable position for anybody. I can't imagine. So they said, what did they do terrified and you can feel a gun shaking on the back of your head. It is so scary. This isn't a comfortable position for anybody. I can't imagine. So they said, what did they do to provoke you into taking the shot? And he said, oh, nothing at all. Nothing at all. Yeah. And they said, well, how did they treat you? And he said, perfectly good.

Just did it to do it. Same thing I did. Just fucking didn't. Yeah. He just didn't give a fuck. Oh, my. So they charged him with first degree murder and all sorts of other shit. I mean, you know, premeditated first degree murder, felony murder, robbery with a deadly weapon, robbery, use of a handgun in the commission of a crime of violence, theft of property, having a value over $300.

He's lined up for all of it here, as you might imagine. Fuck. I mean, good Lord. He's this guy is like the he uh he's earned it he's earned all of this shit so he ends up obviously going to court and uh there's going to be no bond no especially because in court he acts like a fucking lunatic absolute lunatic here uh he's yelling shit out fuck you fuck this guy all this shit the judge stops and urges him to consult with his lawyer and stop making comments and all this shit he refused to hire a lawyer or obtain a public

defender the judge says quote if i were you i would obtain the services of an attorney and he says quote i don't wish to prepare a defense i did what i did to outrage people that's what he said so that's fucking weird. Yeah. The judge tried to interrupt him and he would not be interrupted. No. He's got some more to say. If you cut off a judge in our courtroom, you got balls.

He said, quote, I just want to get the trial over with and waved him away. Like, wave the hand. Like, enough. I'm done with you now. This is Thanos doing this. So also he waives his right to a preliminary hearing doesn't want legal representation the judge orders him held without bond obviously because he's a fucking lunatic and uh yeah the uh the prosecutor describes him as being extremely antisocial although he is cooperating with with police but the prosecutor said quote he has no

remorse no conscience and no guilt which he he doesn't, as we'll talk about. Now, his mother is still here, you know, talking to the police. He said that she only did it because he wanted to die. He said, I want to kill in order to be killed. So she's like, you know, that's all he wants. He just wanted to die. OK. I don't know.

So, yeah, the he's held without bond like we said here all these murders um the prosecutor said that he believes that thanos is sane and competent to stand trial he says sooner or later people more knowledgeable than i in the field of psychiatry will examine him to determine his competency and the uh at the same time though authorities are reviewing unsolved crimes on the eastern shore during the past several months to see if they can find any links uh quote there are some very curious potential connections but it's too early to speculate they're trying to link him with the discovery that week of a man's body near stockton police believed this man was shot in the back of the head, was an employee of the Purdue plant where he worked, where Thanos worked.

Turns out they found this decomposed body sent to the medical examiner's office to learn if the bullet was a.22 rifle bullet like him. They seized the.22 caliber rifle from him there. He had purchased it for $160 back then the same day that's when he robbed the cab driver and all that he's never charged for that other murder at the purdue factory really so we don't know if we don't know if they just said fuck it we have these guys dead we have them dead to rights on these and that's a complicated one if we put them away but some guy from the same factory as him shot with a 22 wow the same week oh boy i think he probably did it like i'm just you know there's probably a good chance probably just some guy who's like well i didn't like that asshole

right settle that score so on september 9th 1990 he he's blaming people oh he's blaming people he says quote he this is salisbury uh tv reporter quote a woman drove me to this yeah what reporter said who yeah he said rose lofton is that that's the correction officer who he threatened and wrote letters to she didn't even do anything no she did fucking nothing um yeah that's what he blames though he uh he blames his week-long crime spree saying that she that she has been the object of his romantic obsession he said that uh he was pissed he said that she drove him to committing the crimes that's what it was drove him to it uh she said quote in his mind i'm his girlfriend but according to anything else i'm not now even when he's arrested he lists her address as his

home address when he's arrested for the murder he lists rose he lists her address as his home address. When he's arrested for the murder, he lists Rose Lofton's address as his home address. That is horrible. Yeah, that's not even fucking. That's just crazy. It's not reality. Even worse. She has to be petrified of this fucking guy. Did you think this case was going that he's going to kill her is what it seemed like.

It's for sure on the way he never got there so the other problem is they find out that thanos on october 7th they find this out thanos was released 18 months early from prison by mistake oh no way mistake of math oh yeah what his time his good behavior time was miscalculated and he had a robbery and there's multiple charges and for those charges they somehow they did the math wrong and they ended up releasing him 18 months early whoever is calculating that should be a cpa that person should be amazing at math it should i think it's pretty simple math too and an employee here john o'donnell he's the one who did it. And he is suspended, and they make a fucking example out of this guy here. He said that he's being used in a cover-up of the state's mishandling.

He said, I didn't do shit. Fucking nothing. Yeah, they just go, hey, John, how much time does he serve? This much. All right, cool. Nobody checks that? He said Thanos was released in accordance with the division of correction uh procedure and policy that anyone who disagrees with that statement is either extremely misinformed or they're lying and then they said it's his job

it's his job to give me advice i made the phone call in the inquiry and he concurred because he's talking about he called the he sought approval on the case from the chief of classification for the Division of Correction. And he said he was told by that the release was approved by ECI assistant warden. The warden doesn't. Yeah. Now, this guy says, I'm outraged and devastated. I'm the villain that released Thanos. But the release policy was properly applied.

And two of the best people who work in this area in the Division of Correction, myself and Warren Sparrow, were included in this release. Yeah, he says. But it turns out he was released. They miscalculated their good time. Those people's checkbooks are a mess. Yeah, you can't even. They bounce checks constantly. Fuck, I mean.

Fucking dickheads. Don't keep the crazy guy in here 18 months. Fuck. So 1991 in June, there's a change of venue. The trial is moved from Baltimore County because there's a change of venue um the trial is moved from baltimore county because there's a lot of publicity when you kill teenagers uh here it's moved over to uh where is it moved here uh garrett county it's moved to garrett county there's going to be two trials one for the taylor murder the 18 year old kid and then a separate trial for the no separate trial

for the two teens got it those are separate okay yeah because there's two different locations the way they're doing it so january 24th 1992 this is trial for the teenagers here now uh he uh concedes his role in the killings that he definitely did it uh they he refused to let any his appointed attorney cross-examine any of the state's witnesses and presented no witnesses or evidence of his own um as a matter of fact bold strategy matter of fact he requested that he could be absent from the trial he said quote i know i will become disruptive and hurt my defense yeah and uh second he also says that uh you know he just he oh this was a thing in court

in court during this is one of these things he's very just flippant in court uh the judge or thanos asked the judge uh whether the judge could have his secretary write down written findings the judge says like i have to write down these written findings when i have things like that and he said well can't you have your secretary do it? And the judge responded, it has to be me. And Thanos said, man, that sucks. What an inconvenience. Yeah, the judge is like, what? Can you just kill her?

You're an asshole. Yeah, can't you just shoot her in the face? I mean, that's easy. So the verdict comes in January 24th here, 1992. He is guilty of first degree murder of the two teenagers. Like we said, he presented no evidence of his own two counts of first degree murder both premeditated and felony by the way two counts of robbery with a deadly weapon and one count of use in a handgun in the commission of a felony and we

are going for the death penalty on this fella here he's gonna get it oh he's he's gonna make sure we'll find out here we're gonna kill you instead. He moves to the penalty phase. Now, there is during this phase, the judge admitted into evidence under seal for the sentencing jury's consideration, a redacted version of his pre-sentence report. Somehow it had something in there that shouldn't have been seen by the jury. And it was a violation of his Miranda rights. And so somehow so on january 30th 1992 the circuit court declares a mistrial in the penalty phase so they have to do it again which is fine now march 1992 is the trial for taylor uh greg taylor but he waives the trial

by jury and jury sentencing because he's already fucked just wants to judge he just says do whatever you want fuck i don't even need a trial just tell me i'm fucking guilty and send me away fuck i'm done doesn't care so june 1992 is his sentencing here now this is fucking wild uh this is in front of the judge there's no jury um he does offer mitigation he offers four witnesses and mitigation or i should say his attorney does because he doesn't want any mitigation. He doesn't care. He says, fucking give me the death penalty is what he's saying over and over. Kill me.

That's what I was trying to get. Yep. He puts up a psychiatric social worker, a psychiatrist, and a psychologist who are all familiar with his background, his psychiatric history, and also a corrections official who knew his history of institutional placements. The psychiatric witness established that he came from an extremely dysfunctional family, testified that his father had a history of mental illness, regularly abused them, had sex with the sister in the same fucking bed with him, punched him in the scrotum. The whole, you know, the whole set on his head, the whole deal.

They also testified that the father had a history of mental illness. And, you know, that could possibly happen as well. That the Thanos, the father sexually abused the daughter, that he was incarcerated for auto theft and that inmates sodomized him. And they gave all the mitigating shit you could want. They said that he was in prison basically, basically between 1968 1968 and 1990 he was out of prison for like three months so he's just a fucking disaster he's a he's a pathetic wretch basically and he spare him is what they're saying the prosecutor says about him this is sandra a o'connor who hopes that people confuse her with sandra day o'connor that's her name she confuse her with Sandra Day O'Connor. That's her name.

She's a Baltimore County state's attorney for like 30 years. She says, quote, you have nothing at all that's redeeming. In my 26 years of prosecuting in Baltimore and Baltimore County, I don't know if I can think of a greater threat to society than him if he were to escape. I can't disagree with her. If he escapes, he is a fucking threat. Oh, boy. I mean, you can't trust with her right yeah he's a if he escapes he is a fucking threat oh boy i mean you can't trust this guy as far as it goes so then they ask him they ask him do you have anything to say for yourself are you redeemable are you redeemable this is the time by the way in court when you're found guilty of murder and the judge is deciding whether to give you the death penalty

or a fucking life in prison this is the time when you say i'm sorry i'm ashamed it's horrible i only wish that i could spend the rest of my life making things better for the family if i could stand in their place and bring them alive that's what you do. All right. Whatever you feel, you say that shit. And beg for mercy. He takes a different approach. Okay. This is one of the craziest things we've ever had in a courtroom. This is pocket Robin level insanity here.

Quote, there is no innocent people in this world as far as I'm concerned. Around here. Bad way to start. I know how to hurt people. I take things away they love and if people go and if people go back and start checking around anybody that comes into contact with me will see that there is a trail of tragedies that always befall the things they love and they can point

the finger at me and i can accept it proudly okay he, he goes on to say, quote, if I could bring those brats back right now from their graves, I would do it so I could murder them again before their eyes as they cringe in fear and horror, reliving this eternal nightmare. Boy, oh boy, that ain't it.

That's not what you say. That gets worse, by the way. And this is, by the way, their family is there and shit. Like, this is sentencing. These people are sobbing and he's doing, 15 minutes he gave a speech.'s not gets worse, by the way. And this is about their family is there and shit like this is sentencing. These people are sobbing and he's doing 15 minutes. He gave a speech. These are the highlights.

Nineteen ninety. So he did 15 minutes. He did 15. He did it like a feature set. Did a hot 15. He did a hot 15. And this is the highlights. Then he says this.

This is the craziest thing ever said in the courtroom. I don't believe i could satisfy my thirst yet in this matter unless i was able and thus i would be able to i was to be able to dig these brats bones up out of their graves right now and beat them into a powder and urinate on them then stir it into a mercury yellowish elixir and serve it up to their loved ones and points at the families i want to what i want to make you a cocktail i want to make you a frosty out of your kids bones and piss unbelievable make you drink it this is his please don't kill me that ain't gonna work yeah then yeah he stops with that and turns takes his hat off he's got

a skull cap on he's waving it around it's a playboy bunny skull cap by the way what he starts threatening his two attorneys and their families telling i'll kill your attorneys and your fucking families then he turns over to baltimore deputy state attorney shu schnenning calls her a hysterical woman and says that he hereby casts a spell of cancer on her female organs what tip your wait staff good night um oh that's not it by the way that's not it go on if you thought that was the worst it gets worse he then turned to the families again of the two children that he murdered and they're crying and everything else and he calls them cowards for not trying to kill him in revenge for murdering the teenagers especially the girl's father he calls a coward for doing this unreal um yeah so the judge says uh he's got a

little speech to judge for him here he says quote oh boy this must have felt good what makes the defendant's action particularly egregious is that to facilitate the commission of the robbery the defendant used excessive unnecessary lethal force he could have wounded or incapacitated his victim who was already in a very desolate location he's talking about the first one so basically the whole thing instead he chose to murder his victims by shooting them in the head at close range uh yes um then wow the judge says you sir may fuck off yeah death penalty by gas chamber oh jesus asshole yeah um yeah so then they're gonna change this soon i want you to get this one it gets crazier yeah oh yeah this this actually is the one that changes it uh he then oh my god once he's sentenced he says to the judge that out of nowhere, he just says that in dog years, I'd be like over 200 years old.

That's what he says. Okay. And then the judge says, okay, well, you're sentenced to death. And he says, oh, it's crazy. Yeah. He says, this is, by the way, after he talked about his dog years. Yeah. This is the next sentence.

He says, quote, is that death by gas or death by raw raw and he literally it says death by raw raw parentheses like a dog in the court documents what does that even mean death by raw raw he's just being silly now he's just being silly he's mocking him is that death by raw raw raw right i don't care fuck you is what he's saying um yeah so then he gets another death penalty for william taylor or greg taylor so he's fucking you know he's double death double death at this point so he writes a letter to the governor okay what does he say what do you think this letter would say i'm gonna rape your daughter rape your daughter in your house i can't wait wait to fuck your dog in the head. I'm a super old dog that I'll rape everything you love.

What else do you have to rape? Is your grandma still alive? Because I'll rape her. Jesus. No. He says, quote, you said on the news tonight that something's wrong with this appeal process and these death penalty cases. I won't speak for others, but in my case, I agree with you. My question is, what are you going to do about it?

I've got three attorneys who insist on filing motions and appeals for me after I've adamantly told them not to. He does not want appeals. He says, fucking kill me. I've written to their superiors and told them to withdraw all appeals and not file anymore. And they've totally ignored my letters. Duplicity runs deep in how my case is being handled. Great amounts of taxpayer monies are being squandered.

There is no question as to my guilt. I gave a lengthy video confession and I'm not sorry for anything. In fact, I don't want to die. In fact, I don't want to die. I'd rather seek revenge by killing the youthful or elderly. Do you not, when the governor said there's problems in our appeal process, he meant people that didn't

do it. Yeah. Not you. You know what he meant? It takes too long, but not at all. There should be some at all. He said, no. Yeah.

He says, but in fact, I don't want to die. I'd rather seek revenge by killing the youthful or elderly. So he's like, yeah, that's how much he knows what to say to get killed. I can't wait to get out and kill women and kill children and old people. Right. Fucking kill me. Meanwhile, he's calling a victim's dad a coward for not killing him. He just wants someone to kill him. He wouldn't kill him either.

Yeah. You won't kill yourself. Talk about coward. Fuck killing other people. You won't kill yourself, pussy. You shot children in the back of the head. Yeah. If nothing more cowardly.

Oh, my God. So then he says, quote, So what are you going to do to stop these public defenders from squandering the public's money when i don't want them filing frivolous motions and appeals that i've neither wanted or requested this is your chance to prove you're not a coward and i'll talk he loves that word he loves it you're a fucking he thinks that's the because that pisses him off i think so he's like that that'll get him. I'll not appeal. And as soon as the court of appeals reviews my case as is mandatory, you sign that death warrant. That's what he says there. A prisoner raped him and whispered coward in his ear.

Yeah, and his dad whispered it through the ventilation system. Hey, I'm the devil and you're a coward. So 1993, this is an automatic stay of execution for a appeal it's an automatic appeal uh he is pissed though he just wants to get this the fuck over with he's mad that he can't waive the automatic 240 day stay of execution provided by maryland law he's like why can't you just take me from the court fucking kill me pussies what the fuck um but lawyers involved in the case said the main issue will be with his competency the lawyers mount his lawyers mount a rigorous appeal they do regardless of the fact that he doesn't want it um

they mount a just a lengthy appeal they bring in just psychiatrists and psychologists and social workers. They're good lawyers. Everybody. They've got a death penalty case, too. It's you do what you got to do. They bring everybody in and they talk about how he's got mental illness and borderline personality. They talk about his dad. They talk about the prison system.

They talk about him getting raped. They talk about every fucking thing you could possibly imagine. That's a mitigating circumstance basically but and they also uh one of his lawyers files a a uh basically files a a um a brief saying that the first lawyer was incompetent because it's great because they didn't plead more for his insanity, regardless of the fact that he was shouting out in court and all of this. Why wouldn't that attorney go for more of an insanity plea? If, you know, as,

as a defense, if, you know, he's shouting out in court that he wants to kill the jury and shit like that, you know, stuff like that long history of suicide attempts. And,

uh, they said mental illness renders him incapable of making a rational choice. Lawyers from the attorney general's office say that Thanos has never been found incompetent in 30 years of trials and hearings. And he was competent last month when he dropped all his appeals and fired his lawyers. So fuck it. Both sides agree that he understands the case and knows that dropping his appeals puts him in danger of execution. But basically, they say they disagree over why he's doing that. Public defenders argue that his decision to drop his appeals itself shows incompetence.

And they point to his long history of suicide attempts brought on by a borderline personality disorder. That's a good defense. They say that he's taken drug overdoses he once slashed his throat and even tried to strangle himself with his own hair which shows both that shows multiple things wrong with you there um yeah so they do all of this uh they say uh the public defenders also argue that the judge who found him competent made a flawed decision and uh because even the judge admitted that thanos's decision quote may be the product of a mental disorder so that he's crazy as fuck this is what we there's no doubt that he's crazy he's obviously fucking sick and crazy but do we want to kill him

anyway like that's one of these things it's and it's a it's a problem too for people that are like pro-death penalty because penalty and that are on the fence because you don't want them to fucking just take everybody. Yeah. And the system kind of created this monster. That's the thing. For people like us who don't love the death penalty, we're looking at it going, well, I don't think this kid ever had a chance, number one.

He never had a chance, obviously. You knew this was coming. You knew this was coming, which doesn't excuse it. But then at the same time, what he did, definitely did there's no doubt about it videotape confession led him to the body physical evidence full confessions isn't sorry about it isn't remorseful i mean like the death penalty as written is written specifically might as well be called the thanos law like it's made for him custom. So it's just whether it should be done at all. So, yeah, they go through all this.

They point to a psychiatrist evaluation conducted for the prosecution. She interviewed him for two hours and reviewed transcripts and all this type of shit. She said, for Mr. Thanos, his viewpoint, he sees his legal condition as terminal. He sees very little benefit and very much discomfort with continuing the legal process. And so he's making his view a rational decision. He's making his view a rational decision to terminate his legal representation. So basically, this is a state sponsored suicide attempt that you're helping. That's the state person here. Later, a letter complaining about efforts that people were making to save his

life he writes quote my anger dissolves rather quickly i forgive practically you might say before the offense occurs i don't carry that sort of baggage hate though i mimic it expertly to shock one into a thought or to edify their foul spirit so that's what they think of me. I'm going to let them think it of me, is what he's saying there. Recently, he wrote his mother, and he said, quote, truths are simplistic, but lies are complex, twisted,

and hard to understand. That's a t-shirt. That's, I don't know what that kind of meme he's doing now. He's writing inspirational corporate posters. Yeah. That should be written above a kitty hanging from a fucking flying eagle yeah cat hanging from a thing so uh thanos here uh he also sent several letters to a baltimore sun reporter glenn small uh saying that he uh

well he says quote i'm persuaded to abolish the law and establish traditionally opposed truth in its pure state to quell my sore spirit in my particular time and space he's out of his mind then he says that uh he chastises small for having printed what he called lies that were told about him about his traumatic childhood which he's saying isn't true none of that's true he says i idolized my father that didn't happen that's what he's saying isn't true none of that's true he says i idolized my father that didn't happen that's what he's saying uh when asked for the truth uh you know he when asked to sit down and give a correct account of his life he says he doesn't want to so you got to take his mom and social workers and his sisters and everyone else that was around's word for it at that point here uh he says he has turned down cash offers for interviews he said quote i'm not interested

in setting the record straight i'm not a publicity hound yet in the same letter he asked the baltimore sun reporter for 200 for an interview uh so yeah they said no it's against sun policy to pay for interviews and criminals aren't supposed to profit from their crime so double no yeah uh basically he would write later on to say that the 200 interview offer was bogus he said it was just a joke designed to make the guy angry that was it so uh yeah he uh in prison he's in the uh they put him in a small isolated cell here it's a super max for this area maryland correctional adjustment center they said once he got there, he was entirely different. Of course. They described him as soft-spoken, kind, even gentle.

People had long conversations with him. He wrote a lot about autonomy and control and how he did not want anyone to threaten his autonomy or take control away from him. If he was alive right now, he would not wear a mask for shit. He just would go, I won't do it. No, I've been diagnosed with it. I'll give it to everybody

because it's my right so uh pre-execution here because this is coming up pretty soon these because he dropped that's his mandatory appeal and he makes sure that doesn't go well and that's it he's not filing shit else he refused to appeal the convictions and sentences he says he accepted his fate he says quote i did it i was it. I was sentenced. I accept that. Okay. This is he's mad at his mother. He's telling his mother and his sister to stop trying to prove he's incompetent. He says that he had the choice of gas chamber or lethal injection, and he refused to choose, saying he had, quote, bowed out completely from the judicial process.

I'm not a part of your. You guys. That's right. i don't care so uh now uh director of public information for the department of public safety and directional services said quote i'm told for the record that thanos is very much at peace with himself he's not causing any problems whatsoever within the prison he seems very much at peace with himself and his decision there you go now this is the uh they had a newly remodeled lethal injection chamber alongside the gas chamber the last time the gas chamber was used was in 1961 wow for the rusty yeah murder of lethan nathaniel lipscomb which was a murdering rapist. And the weird thing is, Maryland has a law passed in 1922 that the day and the time of

an execution are not announced in advance. Really? Nope. They don't announce it to the public in advance. So they basically go, yeah, we executed that guy right now. And it's over with. That's it. At the time the law was passed, the death penalty was carried out at public hangings

that were unruly spectacles. They would do it so a crowd wouldn't gather. They'd be like yeah they tell the prisoner they just don't tell the public wow it's not announced so may 17th 1994 is special non-announced execution day here surprise party surprise here now they had to they had they had a full manual by the way like a an execution manual the state of maryland put out for what to do, like an instruction thing. And it got leaked to the newspaper. Oh, Jesus. Which is wild.

So I have some of that stuff here of how they prep. Obviously, I think I'm not going to fucking find it. That's awesome. Phone lines in the gas chamber, including a direct line to the governor who has the authority to stop the whole thing. That's important. They've been checked and rechecked. Governor says, though, he does not intend to stop the execution at all. He loves it.

He's into it. The equipment used in the executions tested and retested. A checklist of equipment and supplies is reviewed 96 hours before the execution by the team. The list includes the three drugs that will be administered, along with syringes, tape, two IV poles, surgical masks, scissors, and even a flashlight with batteries. That's the lethal injection. This is just a copy of the manual. Four days before the execution, Thanos is asked to give instructions for his funeral

arrangements. He's already requested that his body be donated to science. One decent thing in your whole fucking life you've done. Three days before your... By the way, donate your body to something. Donate your organs. Donate your body to something donate your organs donate your body what the fuck do you care you don't need it you don't need it i don't you you are fucking dead who cares donate it to necrophiliacs for like i don't care i'm terrified that they'll cut me open and i'm still alive i am so scared that would be amazing i'm so scared of them fucking great and putting me in the coffin

and then i wake up and i'm buried i'm terrified of that well that could happen or i wake up in the fucking incineration chamber banging on it i'm not dead i swear i know it's hot i feel that so three days before the execution sealed envelopes containing the date and time of the execution are hand delivered to the governor this is old school uh secretary of public that's what somebody said the witnesses are also notified in writing of their selection as people apply to be witnesses the day before the execution officials will take an inventory of thanos's personal property in his presence store, and ask him how he wants it disposed of. Three hours before the execution, witnesses will be notified and told to go to a meeting place.

From there, they will be driven to the Maryland Penitentiary to await execution. In his cell, Thanos will get a final meal, but it won't be anything special, whatever the prison menu is that day. That's what it gets. Yep. but it won't be anything special, whatever the prison menu is that day. Sorry, Jimmy. Thanos may choose to have a chaplain or a priest with him in the last few hours, if he chooses so. As the execution nears, special guards will escort Thanos to the death chamber. Members of the execution team will strap Thanos to the table, and a heart monitoring device will be attached,

and a volunteer doctor will monitor but not participate in the execution yeah obviously yeah kind of not what you're supposed to do his last words are first of all he's laying there he said get on with it yeah was one of his last words then they said any last words and he said adios and then as the drugs started coming in because he ended up being lethally injected he said here it comes now and that was the drugs started coming in because he ended up being lethally injected he said here it comes now and that was the last words he said here it comes now drugs get put into my arm around here so here it comes now why yeah he kicked off mr jones mr jones gets executed drugs are flowing through his veins and he said he doesn't like it

he said adios here it goes here it comes now here it comes now so that's a pretty good final word it's not bad here it comes there oh there i feel it hey i am fading that was quick i want someone to go oh that's the good stuff that's what i want that's what i love someone to say that somebody just go fuck you yeah so i am not sad this guy's dead i'm sorry sorry. We're not thrilled about the death penalty at all because we feel like it is unjustly, A, unjustly given. Yeah, it's doled out too easily. Doled out too easily.

And there's a lot of innocent people that have been executed and they find out. For that, we shouldn't execute anybody. But if you're going to execute anyone, someone who enthusiastically fucking tells you about his crimes and has 100% did it. This is the guy, I guess. And they were against kids. It's not even. That's what I mean.

This isn't even like he killed a guy in a drug deal. He killed teenagers who were working at a fucking gas station. What an asshole. Horrible. So now neither of Thanos, neither Thanos's relatives nor those of the victims are allowed to attend. Really? Yeah.

It's one of those. They're notified by phone of his death before it's announced publicly, though. No spite viewing. No spite viewing. Carl Weinbrenner, who is the father of Billy, said he was relieved that the execution had occurred. He says, quote, I just hope we'll have no more John Thanoses.

Unfortunately not. There's a lot of them. Yeah, the execution was the 240th in the united states uh since 1976 they reinstated at the supreme court now in an interview here uh uh the uh the attorney snow hill county attorney here our snow hill attorney randy coats who was the state's attorney for the worcester county at the time said said that Thanos deserved his fate. He said, personally, I don't feel that strongly one way or the other about the death penalty, but if anybody on Earth deserved to be put to death, it was John Thanos. He had no redeeming value as a human being.

He was unique in his evil. That is something right there. Now, at that time, the gas chamber was the only means of execution. And Thanos agreed to a proposal by a lawyer of another prisoner sentenced to death to have his execution videotaped and data recorded in an attempt to raise evidence that death penalty is cruel and all that sort of shit here. Because he was supposed to be executed by gas chamber right and instead he said so he made a deal that they would videotape it and release all of his eeg medical data to show how horrible the gas chamber is so instead of doing that the state of maryland the legislature uh in january 94 passed a law saying that lethal injection is the only way to die because we don't want to show how bad the fucking gas chamber is i'm sure that is a nightmare it's fucking horrible it's suffocate

it's gas it's fucking do they even tie you down or they just like throw you in a room and let you run around they tie you down but like watch the people i could it's they're twisted man they're fucking they're being held against what their body is trying to do it's it's a horrible thing gas chamber it's fucking disgusting gas chamber's awful and they puke and spit it's fucking gross yeah it's terrible i mean none of it's good but i mean i think i want to see that it's a bad one like a bad guy yeah yeah i kind of want to watch this guy die that way speaking of bad guys yeah fuck this guy he's dead yeah and uh that's thanos there that is john frederick thanos and that i gotta tell you one of our biggest assholes i think he's crazy as fuck he's a complete asshole he has no remorse whatsoever like he's definitely

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