Small Town Murder - #183 - A Stupid, Vicious, Unlucky Mess in Eddyville, Oregon

Episode Date: August 6, 2020

This week, in Eddyville, Oregon, what seems like a simple accident, on first sight, turns out to be anything but that, as investigators try to figure out if they're dealing with a serial killer, or an unsophisticated teenager. The story that emerges is horrifying, and is one of the strangest things we've heard. A portrait of an odd family dynamic, and circumstances left us in disbelief. You definitely want to hear this one all the way to the end!! Along the way, we find out that every town has a Cousin Eddy, that you can't always judge an accident by its cover, and that some people are great at leading double lives!! Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman New episodes every Thursday! Donate at: patreon.com/crimeinsports or go to paypal.com & use our email: [e-mail] Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder & Crime In Sports! Follow us on... twitter.com/@murdersmall facebook.com/smalltownpod instagram.com/smalltownmurder Also, check out James & Jimmie's other show, Crime In Sports! On iTunes, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts# See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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get all of that at patreon.com slash crime and sports and they'll get you access anything above the five dollar level and also if you want to be just a hero to the show and a producer and still get your name screwed up and just be a nice person with karma you can do that as well over at paypal using our email address which is crime and sports at gmail.com quick disclaimer this is a comedy show yeah definitely a comedy show we are comedians so we're gonna find some comedy and things that's how that's how we do things uh you know the we we the way we look at the show the approach to the show is the murders have happened yeah bad things have happened i can't stop it we can't stop it there's nothing we can do about it what we can try to do is not make it as kind of creepy i guess because it's still going to be dark and creepy but you don't have to die the the people it's we don't know murder porn is what we're

getting out we we prefer rather than and then he cut her head from her body and severed it, held it. Like, that's a little, I feel like someone's getting off on that. Whereas with us, we try to take a little lighter approach to it and then obviously give the things that deserve weight, weight, like crazy, you know, murder, actually. But a lot of stuff happens around murder that's hilarious. And we're going to concentrate on a little bit of that. That's the despicable behavior we like. That's it right there. We're going to concentrate on a little bit of that.

That's the despicable behavior we like. That's it right there. Because I'm telling you, we go out of our way to not make fun of the victims or the victims' families. Why's that? Because we're assholes. Yes. But we're not scumbags. There you have it.

That's how it works. So if that sounds good to you, you're going to have a good time. If it doesn't sound good to you, true crime and comedy should never be in the same area at all together for you. Well, then you should probably go. Or give us a chance, but don't complain about it later because we warned you. But for everyone else who's sitting there, ready to enjoy a crazy story, I think it's time to flex those lungs. Sit back and

shout, shut up and give me murder! Let's do this, Jimmy. I can't wait. Let's go on a trip. I would love it. Shall we? We're going off. Let's go from the east all the way in Tennessee, all the way out to the west coast. It's been a while since we visited the west coast. Lovely time of year to be there. We need to be there.

Yeah, I wish we, it's 110 degrees in Phoenix, so I would, it hasn't rained in four months. I would do anything to be in the west, northwest right now. Are you kidding me? Oh my God. Holy shit. We're going to Eddyville, Oregon today, which you've probably never heard of because it's a tiny, tiny town. Is it named after a person or like a Gulf Eddie? Oh, no.

It's named after a guy, and this guy is hilarious. Eddieville. Eddieville is way to you. That's his last name. It's not like Cousin Eddieville, luckily. That's what I was saying. This guy is totally Cousin Eddie, though. It's amazing.

It's on the central coast region, but a little more north than central, but kind of near the coast. It's two hours to Portland, about four and a half hours up to Seattle, about an hour and a half to Springfield, Oregon, which was episode 141, which is our last Oregon episode. It was October of last year. That was the Barton

Milhouse murder. That was a really messed up murder there, so check that one out. But this is in lincoln county how many counties are lincoln in this country so many link i'd like to count up the lincoln washington and jackson counties and see how many there are holy shit and poke and poke a lot of poke yeah and they must have been naming counties when those guys were really in practice some prime county naming days when they were in yeah when they were in happier times yeah i guess so uh zip code 97343 area code 541 history of this town i'll give you a short

little history here the town is named for israel f eddie yeah who was postmaster here in uh 1888 now this guy apparently was a giant person yeah like a not like a you know freak of nature not like he wasn't like a circus freak or anything but andre the giant yeah nothing like that but he was a big guy and a big heavy set guy and like a big strong giant son of a bitch basically they said he had remarkable strength and what he used to do is he if people were like fighting in the streets and the saloons, he would go out of the post office and start and clean it up. He was like the town bouncer. Yeah. Real tomato ketchup.

It's like the town bouncer. He would come out and it says from this historical thing here that he would, quote, seize brawlers by the neck and dunk them into the horse trough wow stop them from fighting i guess i mean if you're that big that you can pick people up like i dunk them in he's like they're in the fucking town after me i'll dunk you all in the horse trough they're like jesus okay it's a eddie town eddieville oh eddieville eddieville yeah sure eddieville no problem eddie they were auditioning no problem buddy you got it jesus um in at the wedding in 1908 at the wedding of a local young woman yeah he appeared uh wearing a coon skin cap and ear trumpet i don't know what an ear trumpet is i'm gonna assume it's those

things the flaps that come down i don't know it says coonskin cap and ear trumpet i don't know maybe that's just like earmuffs i don't know but uh he told he gets to this wedding and tells the story gathers everyone around and tells the story about how he had the flu and was near death and uh cured himself by drinking, a swig of piano polish that he thought was medicine. He mistaked it for medicine in his feverish state. So no other objections to this wedding? And drank

some piano polish. He just pops into a wedding. Listen, everybody! And then he was like, carry on. And then they were like, I guess we're getting married now. You gotta kiss the bride now. And he's sitting there with his coon skin cap on in the middle of the ceremony wow talking about anybody else wants so this piano polish is delicious it's got medicinal qualities it cured me the damn flu and uh i'll tell you what there's just a pininess to it that is just refreshing and if you drink it

along with this gel mold with cat food in it it's pretty delicious i've just been using it as mouth wash it's good clark fucking cousin eddie he's a blast he is man uh he that and when he did this in 1908 he was 84 years old so he's this giant crazy old man who's like been beating people up in town for the last 50 years and he just shows up being like i drank piano polished and cured myself of the flu and then sits down y'all ain't seen me in 30 years i've been drinking turpentine boy that's how i'm still alive that's why i got these trumpets in my ears i wish i knew what that was uh he died in 1911 at 87 years old three years later three years later that's pretty good though make it 87 back then yeah before there was even like fucking real medicine was furniture polish that was fucking medicine back then drinking old english yeah that's not bad and not the beer right the

actual polish wood polish so yeah the post office was established in 1868 and then it was originally called little elk for the nearby river. Little Elk River is nearby. So a lot of things are named Little Elk including something in our story today. And then Eddie though himself moved the town. I don't know if by hand probably put it on his back one house at a time or what

but he moved it further from the creek so there'd be less chance of flooding. Smart man. Hey stupids. You see this? If it rains, guess what happens? And he did that when he was 86. Yeah. And he renamed it there.

And basically, they moved back and forth several. The town kept moving back and forth for some reason and kept changing its name also. They're trying to run Eddie off. Yeah. It's literally like they're like, we can't make it Eddieville. And then they were like, well, it's Little Elk. Well, it's something Creek. Well, and they kept renaming it, moving the shit.

And then finally, in 1900, a post office near the mouth of the creek was built with the name Eddieville. And that was that done. Fucking done. Yeah. And he didn't have to kick anybody any more ass after that. He was happy. It was one of the stops on the Oregon Pacific Railroad.

After that, he was happy. It was one of the stops on the Oregon Pacific Railroad. And after the railroad failed financially, it went through 17 years of financial and legal complications and then finally became a branch of the Southern Pacific Railroad. Back then. Anyway, it was originally the U.S. established 1.3 million acres in this area of reservation of indian reservation and it was more than 4 000 people from 20 different tribes were quote resettled yeah into this reservation as they put it shown some land that's fog with them on yeah resettled yeah isn't a what's a way to put it so the location here wow was uh chosen because the government deemed the area unfit for farming

and inaccessible. Literally, they were like, what's the worst million acres we can come up with? We got a million acres for y'all. Beautiful. Also inaccessible to other things. So, yeah, the natives ended up going to the reservation and suffered from lack of food and housing. And also they crammed all these different tribes into one place. They don't live together normally they're different people so they fought over different

cultures and who's going to run things and it's a it turns into a you know not got a chief already we don't need yours we were going fine for hundreds of thousands of years thanks so uh did you know i learned recently that there is something called the Jays Treaty, that that border between Canada and America and Mexico and America, that doesn't fucking exist to them. Isn't that awesome? They can do whatever the fuck they want. That's great. Yeah. Well, I noticed also if you, something about a murder on a reservation, it's tried in federal court always.

There's a lot of different rules. I know back in the day I was a process server, and you can't serve papers on reservations. That's awesome. Yeah, that's like you have to be like, well, sorry. Got to catch you outside the res, I guess. It sucked. That's a cool little benefit that they have. Neat benefit.

That's a tough way to get it. I mean, I was going to say, I don't know if it's worth it. I don't think it's worth it, but still. It's a real fucked way to get it. We'll take all the land, and you cannot be served process. How does that sound good great uh horn from uh letter kenny taught me that yeah she's brilliant so 1861 some shit happened a sea captain was shown beds of rare delicate oysters in the bay around here and

companies from san francisco came to harvest the, which created conflicts with payment to the reservation Indians who technically own that bay. So there was a lot of problem there. And they depleted the entire oyster supply within a couple of years because that's what we do. And they're delicious. And yeah, they're absolutely great. And around the same time, regular troops on the reservation were needed for the Civil War because they had troops there. regular troops on the reservation were needed for the civil war because they had troops there and so they were replaced by volunteer soldiers who saw who wanted who lobbied then to open the land up and not make it reservation so the government opened up the bay to non-indian

settlement and that's how that ended up happening fur traders and you know hillbillies of various various uh stripes came there seeking free land and the dregs yeah i'm gonna i'm gonna kill me some beavers right and sell them to the rich guy that's how i'm gonna make it i'm gonna make it so the uh the country here the they got a logging boost here the army built infrastructure including roads and railroad lines and that's how they started doing logging around here that's what eddyville is it's kind of a pass-through for logging trucks. Got it. They don't even stop there.

But if you're hanging out in Eddyville, you hear a lot of logging trucks go by. That's kind of how it works there. The Roosevelt Military Highway was built in the 20s. And it started with World War I to be able to move supplies. So that helped this area a lot. They tried to evacuate the residents. a lot they tried to evacuate the residents and the uh basically because they wanted to change the road system for military equipments for military equipment they opened up a highway and shit like that but the people these rednecks stick when they when they when they find a place

they do they hang on yeah i mean we've talked about tennessee up in the mountains there's no reason to be there they hang on god damn it they're like dolly parton's coming someday my grandpa's grandpa started this. She started it. He started it. And I just know she's going to walk out of Dollywood and talk to all of us. And bare that chest. Yeah.

Oh, shit. So the road that they built, shockingly enough, follows old Indian routes to the coast because they found the easiest roads, the same ones that they used to follow back in the day there. Now, population of this town, fucking small. small yeah and this is actually overblown in the town proper there's about 30 people literally about 30 people how do you manage and then in the little surrounding area that's sort of still considered quote town yeah uh there's 214 people okay so it's so we're still under 300 yeah Yeah, dude. This is a small town. I mean, it's really tiny.

So the stats are hilarious always because they're way skewed and you can have a weird stat that would make no sense anywhere else. You have 75% children. You're like, how the fuck? How the hell does that happen? I don't know. It is. Down 58% since 1990.

That makes sense. Of the population here. Now, way more males than females which is strange because the median age is 55 and a half really which is almost 20 years older than normal yeah so usually there's way more females but for some i don't know if it's because of logging or i don't know dangerous fucking job i don't know what it is but uh it's somehow it's 56 men also 300 people so it could just be three women moved and five guys moved in and screwed up the whole fucking ratio. I mean, honestly, there are literally no zero children listed as existing in this town.

Zero. Zero children. Like in the official stats of the 214 people, none of them are below the age of 18. Wow. So there are literally the town without children see this just went the opposite way of what i thought it was no you know none could be 75 percent children how about zero none are they eating them what's happening in this town that seems on purpose is this where adrenochrome gets all their gets all their fucking i'm like yeah

are they like do they have a thing like if you a baby, you have to give it to the town and they like they process it somehow. They sell it to Tom Hanks. Soylent Green is babies. What the fuck, dude? Yeah, I don't know what's going on. They sell it to him so he can feel better. So weird. We've never had that before.

I don't care if there's 50 people. Someone's going to spit a kid out, I would imagine. Yeah. Nope, not here. Not even an accident. Apparently not. No kids. people someone's gonna spit a kid out i would imagine yeah nope not here not even an accident apparently not no kids so married population is 51 but the married with children is 0.0 that is wild married with no children 85 and then single with no children 14 almost 15 are they all sterile i don't know a lot of them are old, but then there's a bunch of them that are like 30 to 40, and I'm like, you're in child-rearing years.

What's happening here? There are no children. Just love oral? How do you not have a kid on accident? That's what I'm saying. Nobody gets drunk once in a while and fucking, oh, Jesus. How are you so goddamn responsible? That's perfect.

Teach all of us. Either perfect or there's such bad ecological things going on there that everyone is completely barren. Just barren. One of the two. There's no milk. Nothing. No honey. Nothing swimming.

Shit there. Race of this town, 95, almost 95% white, which is kind of to be expected in a weird mountain Oregon town. 0.5% black, which is literally one guy. It is. That is one man or woman. I don't know. There is one black person mountain Oregon town. 0.5% black, which is literally one guy. It is. That is one man or woman. I don't know. There is one black person in this town. That is wild.

We know they're over the age of 18. Other than that, though, nothing. 0.0% Asian, Native American even, I guess. All gone by now. They couldn't have kids, James. No, that's the thing. 5.1% Hispanic, which means you know, means there's what? Ten people.

Right. It's ten. Right. Ten. That's you know, that could be one or two families, basically, which is crazy. Twenty one point eight percent of the people are religious, which is well under the 50 50 barrier, which the town starting to redeem itself to me here. One point five percent Baptist, couple of Catholics here and there,

and 0.0% Jewish, 0.0% Muslim. This county, Lincoln County, is a very liberal county. Last voting in 2016 presidential election, 49.5% voted Democrat, 39% Republican, and almost 11% Independent. Interesting. It's an Independent kind of an area. These Oregon woods, it's kind of like new hampshire it's the same all bets are off it

might be a hippie encampment with a bunch of weed smoking people who don't realize that woodstock is over still even though they were born well after woodstock yeah or it can be just the militias the woodstock they know had like cypress hill at it. Yeah, they were like, oh, remember that? It was beautiful. When Limp Bizkit took the stage. It was an event for our entire generation. I'll tell you what. That guitarist had all black eyes. That was crazy. Oh, man, it was just something

else, boy. That's fucking ridiculous, man. Fucking ridiculous. But yeah, guess that's makes them feel good about themselves that's good their unemployment rate in this town is about four and a half percent which i mean that was when before everything happened here so who knows median household income not great no and normally it's about 57 and a500. Here, $24,688. These people are living off the land? It would seem so, almost.

How the fuck do you make it? 60% of the people here make $30,000 or less. I can't get it. I don't know how that works exactly. I don't know. You must have, I assume, how do you even pay rent? And cost of living isn't low here either, as we'll look at. Regular, 100 is regular average.

Here it's 114. That's too much. Out of 100. Housing is the highest thing of all. Housing is a 170 out of 100. Median home cost $391,700 is the median home cost here. How is this not just a fucking homeless camp?

That's the crazy thing. I don't know if it's... There's not a lot of homes available. Like I thing. I don't know if it's, if there's not a lot of homes available. Like I said, I don't know if these are like generations. These houses have been in for generations or people don't leave. So they've owned it for 40 years when it was cost nothing. Probably you've got no, you've got money in the bank, but you don't make much. Is that property, but you don't make much, which used to happen a lot back in the day.

People would, well, people would buy a house in 1953, and then by 1985, it would be worth a lot of money. But they don't have any money, but they had a house that's worth money. So then they sell that, and they move to Florida and buy a shithole that's half the price. And that's what happens. Or go to Eddie's, though. That's New York. That's the cycle of New York. That's what everybody does.

So, yeah, median home cost, $391,700, which is rough. 22% of the houses are worth under $20,000, and the rest are worth over $300,000. So, trailer or shit you can't afford. Those are your options here. And if we've convinced you, damn it, you need to, I don't know, go to the woods for some reason. We have for you the Eddyville, Oregon Real Estate Report. Your average two-bedroom rental here goes for about $884 a month, which is below the average by far.

That's a trailer, though. I mean, that's not a... That math doesn't work out. There's no apartments, and I don't see any places for rent if you look in here anyway good lord that's a lot of ramen you're eating it's right i found a three bedroom one bath 1578 square foot house which is like a family kind of typical whatever average house here it's on 18 acres though for 224 305 dollars that's a goddamn deal that's a deal and that's the only thing i could think is all these houses come with land none of them are like a quarter acre lot they're all on like acres so i mean maybe that's why the houses are more valuable

yeah i found a four bedroom two bath 2408 square foot house it's not great it's an it's on eight acres of property the property looks like a shitty militia meets there like every saturday you know what i mean like there's like a rally spot in the back where you could tell someone stands and gives speeches this is 385 000 for this which eight acres in a big house but then i found 107 107.96 acres of trees for $625,000. That's awesome. That's a shitload of land. You can start your own militia there.

That's a lot of land. Or you could buy it and start chopping today and 10, 15 years later, you'll have enough wood to build that house. Oh, yeah, yeah. That's a lot of land, man.

Things to do here in this town. Claim a mine. Yeah. There's mines to claim. Of course. You can make claims on mines. There's a whole... Abandon?

I suppose. I really tried hard to understand what was happening on this website. It's called thediggings.com. Okay. And you can go here, and you can see where there's mines that are open, mines that you can put claims in on and like try to hopefully get squatters. Get stuff out. I don't know what it is. Is this like name a star websites?

No, no, no. This is like, no, you can claim it. Like Eddieville, Oregon includes 170 nearby mines. I saw like there was like four mines that have a bunch of them have claims on them i don't know if that means you can go like getting an indiana jones in the temple of doom cart and get on down there and try to dig something out of the earth or what but i don't even know what the fuck they're mining up there but either way you can claim a mine you can go to burnt woodstock oh boy that's a yeah wood stock burnt wood so they're combining burning man and woodstock

together who's who's performing i think it's woodstock but like burnt woodstock because it's we're burnt out here because it's like that sort of thing yeah it looks it's it's a venue this burnt woodstock and they have concerts there all the time and it looks like a big giant barn in the middle of nowhere how many people's a hole i don't know but it's got a we're gonna play there yeah it's got a big bar that we can get under the minimum yeah right no shit fuck never mind our sold out two straight theater shows we have on hold in fucking portland they're both sold out you know what it's like to have two straight sold out theater shows as a comedian in one city it's the you feel ridiculous amazing and then you can't do it and you feel terrible because we can't go there i look in the mirror and go you're a winner you fucking loser you fucking loser piece of shit you win and

you still suck you're doing great you piece of shit that's a good thing to tell yourself every day so uh apparently there's music acts here all over the place um the uh casners are the people that own it and it used to be like cattle yeah and shit and then they decided that they were gonna do this and have uh burnt wood stock and they and their crew provide uh free natural water it says uh no uh you know no bullshit like you're not paying three bucks for a dasani or any of that shit here um they said sensitive to working man's hours burnt woodstock's music won't actually begin until 6 p.m on a friday to keep the natives from rest getting restless a showcase a stage showcase stage was added to entertain between main stage acts more

than 25 bands will be on hand over the three-day stretch including including the luminaries return flight the fret drifters rhythm culture which sounds like a 1991 r&b group or just a song that janet jackson one of those yeah it's part two of rhythm nation uh engraved rail just rail the dirk quinn band nope don't want it dirk quinn that's terrible brother yusef oh okay i know who that is what do do i know i swear i know who that is i know the luminaries are for sure do you yeah i don't know they got a huge song i forget the name of it they got like two or three of them okay black bottom lighters nope i don't know what that is new liberty the outlets with a z no boy

undertow that's a nautical theme i have a feeling i hate it teddy presberg's resistance organ trio wow holy shit just missing the word presbyterian in there. Resistance organ trio. That's a lot of shit going on. He's missing like the, he needs like a police benevolent fucking society resistance organ trio. Baby Gramps. What? I don't know.

No. Baby Grandpa. It's a SoundCloud rapper. That's yeah. Baby Gramps, motherfucker. Maybe. And in dubious. Okay. As's a SoundCloud rapper. Yeah, Baby Gramps, motherfucker. Maybe. And in dubious. Okay.

As opposed to out dubious. I don't know what the fuck. In dubious. So admission. It's trying to make it sound nefarious of some sort. That's what I mean. But dubious is the word. That's the one, buddy.

It's $60 for a three-day pass for this that's sixty dollars well i mean you get free water i guess that's something and it's natural water well in other words they just dipped it in the creek probably it's probably yeah that's what i assume is this ocean water natural natural salty salty have that with it i am good good. Yeah, you know, like it. Forty dollars for two days and twenty dollars for Friday or Sunday. Only thirty dollars for Saturday. That's what the big acts are. And free for children under 17 with a paid adult. I know nobody's there.

Camping cedar chips for camping and parking, which includes our RV parking, are also free. Tickets and merchandising sales help benefit some shit that I don't know what it is. Do I not know something about cedar chips? I don't know. I was going to say, to shit in or to set up in? I'm going to bring my own terrarium? What the fuck is this?

If they have a big tube to run through, I would enjoy that. I've always been jealous of hamsters. That looks like fun. Set me up a big obstacle course. I've never had jealous of hamsters that looks like fun he got a big wheel set me up a big obstacle course i've never had one of those it looks great i do want one of those big balls that they just get to run around in they look like fun you can get one of those yeah you ever seen kenny versus spenny no the well it's great is it a blow-up one it's a big inflatable ball that he's inside of yes i remember and they're in the white suits because it was who can get less stains on their white outfit.

And basically what happened is, is Kenny took a piece of dog shit and threw it in there with Spenny. And then also while Spenny was trying to get the dog shit out, he pissed into the thing, closed the hatch and pushed him down a big hill. So he then tumbled down a giant hill into piss and shit that he could not control inside of a giant ball. Multi-species. It was wonderful. It was really fucking special. Really special. I do.

I do want one. We used to have a shitload of hamsters and we put them in that ball and then we'd forget that they were in there and then we'd find the ball with the hatch off and one would make a fucking jailbreak. Yeah, they're good at it. Find it two days later. They're good. Now, for more information

on burnt woodstock it says to visit burntwoodstock.com but then the website doesn't work so i don't think you should want to do that and also i won't even give you any details celebrate canada day here why i have no fucking idea and i don't want to know they're proud of it crime right what we're interested in here is uh property crime is about 25 percent high i don't know you think you would know everyone just bob stole my shit i saw him and then violent crime murder rape robbery and assault the mount rushmore of crime is almost double wow so this is very unexpected from a town with so little just the fact that they all know each other i guess it breeds contempt i have no fucking idea i don't know if there's a lot of domestic violence here

to jack the stats up. There's still a lot of thieves and psychos riding the rail cars coming through. Maybe drifters, hobos, with a bindle slung over their shoulder. Everybody's getting hurt around here. You never know. But let's talk about a murder.

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What do you say here, Jimmy? This is interesting. Let's get into this, all right? Let's see here. Let's talk about a woman named Dorothy Biggs. All right. Okay. Now, Dorothy here, she, in 1984, she is, let's see, she's born in 1935.

Okay. Trying to do the math on that. Fifty-something years old. So she's 49 in 1984. That was close. So we're going to go back. Yeah. She's married three times.

By the 80s, she's on her third husband here. And that's fine. Things don't work out. 50 years should be on your third. Yeah, that's when you get to your third. And then maybe if he drops dead, she can get a fourth then. There you go. Like my grandmother.

My grandma did that. Just keep trying. Grandma kills a lot of... she's killed many husbands. It's worse than. Outlived them. Oh, well, no. No, no, no. She definitely contributed to their deaths.

Definitely. Like, there's no doubt about it. Especially my other grandmother, the racist nan there. She 100%. I mean, my grandfather had cancer and everything like that, but she totally was seemed thrilled about it. That was one thing. But then she got another boyfriend who's, you know, what old people do is like when

their spouses die, they just get whoever's left gets together. It's just like they're left over. That's it. And then you just sit together and watch TV and eat food and we're not going to fuck. Obviously, go to Florida once in a while playing together. That's what they do. So she hooks up with this guy and we're not gonna fuck obviously go to florida once in a while playing together that's what they do so she hooks up with this guy and uh they're together and so she uh she goes to move and rather than hiring movers because they're all in their 80s she decides to make him uh help

her move furniture jimmy furniture she's they're 85 years. Harold, can you get my hutch? So Damon was his name. So Damon. And Damon was like, he had this thick, thick head of white hair and just like, huh? What's going on there? He was just this happy, smiley Italian guy that had no fucking idea where he was at the time. What happened there? All right.

Hey, good to see you there, pal. It's awfully warm in New York. I had no idea what the fuck he was doing. You're in Florida. Oh, look at that. That makes sense. Those palm trees, right? I wonder when they planted those in New York. I had no idea what the fuck he was doing. You're in Florida. Oh, look at that. That makes sense. Those palm trees, right? I wonder when they planted those in the neighborhood. All right.

It's a good deal. He was just this nice fucking, okay. So anyway, he invites his, well, invites, he asked his brother to come over and help, who's also in his 80s. And he dies on my grandmother's stairs trying to carry a fucking desk down the stairs because he's 85 years old. Get up, Pete. Literally down the stairs and fucking drops dead on the stairs. So she killed him and then eventually killed Damon as well.

So she was taking out all families. But not this one. These husbands all lived from what I know anyway. So Dorothy Biggs, by now she's on her third husband named Dwight. Dwight Biggs is his name. She took his name. She also has a son, David Herbert Hart, who was born, Hart is from the previous marriage. He was born in 1967.

And also living with them at this point, kind of late 70s, early 80s uh dwight's son and dorothy's stepson troy biggs so and he's a teenager as well around david's age so two teenage boys and father and mother stepfather jesus and they moved to eddyville for some reason in 1979 this is their choice they moved here they had had no family connection here. Dorothy's born in Minnesota. They come up in Minnesota. Her kids live in Minnesota, a lot of them. There's very, very strange, I don't know, they picked it out of a hat or what they did,

just spun a globe and put a fucking finger on it or what. Got a realtor that told them about a bunch of land? I'll tell you what. Yeah. There's a place. Heard tell there's some land out there. It's hard find now but still you're gonna find it uh she also has uh a son she's got a lot here uh she's got let's see one uh one son uh one two and then a daughter one two three daughters yeah it looks like she has uh three daughters and two sons is what it looks

like here of her own and uh most of them live in and some live here and some live in Minnesota. That's how it works here. Now, Dorothy, like I said, born in Minnesota. She came in 1979 to the Eddyville area. She's a registered nurse, but she doesn't move here to be a nurse. She moves here to run the store in town the little elk store yeah and it's the only store in town trouble that's well she also works at a nursing home but that's not a primary occupation her primary thing is running the store and they live above the store

so it's like one of those deals um there's a couple others like a trailer on the property and another house that's like they don't that nobody lives in behind the house that they own. They own this whole kind of lot. From Minnesota to this. From Minnesota to that. It's a don't know why. Now, Dorothy, she graduated, Dorothy Ann Biggs. She graduated in 1972 from the University of Oregon School of Nursing in Portland.

That's the only thing that I can see is that she went to school in Portland and and then maybe knew of this area and liked it this way yeah wanted to live in the country i mean there's plenty of country in minnesota but oh it's cold there let's be honest you have to really be okay with that shit like you gotta earn it it's not yeah minnesota's not like well i like it so i'll put up with the cold like you have to be like ready for that fucking cold the last one was like going to war there the cold holy shit oh dude opening the window yeah not the last one the one before that no the last one we were there was in the summer no we were there in august remember yeah we went out to dinner walked around on the streets when we were fucking we were smoking the sour diesel pen in the street it was wonderful when we were across the street from the box though uh yeah that was that was the last one was it yeah that Yeah, that was. Oh, you know what?

That's Milwaukee. That's Milwaukee, the Bucs, yeah. What am I doing? And then we were in Minnesota, though, when it was like negative degrees the time before that, and it was fucking amazingly cold. I'm remembering Minnesota. Yeah, as Milwaukee. So, yeah, there you go.

They're going to love you in Minnesota for that. Everyone wants to be confused with a Milwaukee. Remember when we were across here from the bucks that minnesota yeah the only the only city in the country that would two cities in the country that would maybe not be offended by that are cleveland and buffalo everywhere else and anywhere in florida obviously because that's just an embarrassment so uh she went there uh she worked in this area too as part-time she ran the store and then also did the nursing thing on the side. She worked at the New Lincoln Hospital and Care Center in Toledo, which was nearby, and also had the Little Elk store there.

And she's also a member of the Catholic Church that's nowhere near here. Right. So she's got that going on here. Now, the family moved to Eddieville and Eddieville. I don't know if we described it well enough in the in the town description, but it's it's isolated out here. It really like the school is in the whole area that has a bunch of kids from the area is, you know, K through 12. Yeah. And it's no high school or anything. K through 12. And there's like 200 kids in the school.

Right. And that's all the kids in the entire area so think about that shit uh one person called it in the area quote no more than a wide place in the road as in more than that of that than a town even so uh he a guy here says all there is is the uh principal of the school all there is in the way of business is the school the church the post office and a mill that just opened here last year it's a very rural atmosphere backed up mostly by logging and farming so yeah it's property it's people with property and they do shit like that um they they said the actual community of elkville

itself here eddyville elkville i say elkville's two places wow eddyville uh they said that it's pretty much consists of about 10 families basically kind of scattered around that's what the minister said they said the little elk store was about the only store around for miles and it really was there was not another place you could get like groceries for 10 miles into the town of blodgett you'd have to go for that so that's that becomes a center of the town in a rural place like this. It's like the old-timey general store, basically. And they do.

They have a bit of everything. They say she had vegetables, fresh vegetables, milk, beer, hardware. You could get nails and a six-pack and a gallon of milk there. There's a door hinge, a tomato, and some motor oil. And do you have an axle for a Model T? They have everything there. Aisle 6. Aisle 6.

It's down there. I don't know. It just appears. You can keep looking. So it's actually, the store is actually three miles east of the town proper, but it's right there. It all counts as the Hettyville here. It's along the highway, and most of the people there are either truck drivers or people just making a shortcut to somewhere else that are like,

holy shit, a store. I haven't seen one of those in a while. So they stop. Or the locals who are there. People stop there every day. It's either people that need stuff or people that are like, isn't this hilarious? I'm going to take a picture in front of this place. You know they have like a cigar store,

Indian out front or something that people take. Or some cutout where you stick your fucking face through it. Yeah, it's like when you're driving to Vegas and what is it, WikiUp? Yeah. They have that fucking store like that. It's just all stupid turquoise jewelry and a terrible little restaurant.

And then across the street, street, quote unquote, in the desert, they have a rocket, a big giant rocket thing with snoopy and woodstock sitting on it for some reason no idea why and it says wiki up arizona on it so figure that shit out no clue these small town like fucking gila bend has that space lodge yeah what is that it's the town's just a speed trap it's a place to slow down to 30 so they can give you a ticket and it has like a space lodge it has like an alien cafe and an and an old like space motel that's like like ripped apart and not open anymore that's all down and across the street

an italian restaurant that says best italian in town probably it's also the worst also the only food in town and also the windows of cardboard on them. So I don't think I'm going to go ahead and pass. So weird as shit. So the sign on the bulletin board here is Dorothy's known as very nice around town and very caring. The sign on the bulletin board outside, because they had like a town bulletin board outside the store where people would put stuff up and people actually looked at it. Right. It was like an actual like a court board with push push pins the town center that was like oh look at that bobby's got vegetables they find or his harvest came in good deal i'm gonna get me a thump molly

you need to make some money in this house go down to the bulletin board and see if there's some babysitting you have some babysitting also you could sell your jars of jelly you've been doing right that's not that's not or your ass whatever whatever you got i'm sure that's a section for it get down there loggers those loggers get horny molly that's all i'm gonna say to you now uh she and her handwritten note on the thing it says uh quote if you don't want your cats leave them here oh my she's a cat lover oh and so basically if you're gonna like you know throw your cat out instead of getting rid of it, bring it to Dorothy and she'll take care of it. Save a bird last second, bring me the cat. Yeah, bring me the cat, which is nice.

Somebody, a resident, said, quote, when I took my little kids down there, she's always sticking something in the bag extra. A banana, candy, something like that. She always gives you a little extra for the kids. Like, oh, there's a little treat in there for you. This is a very neighborhood thing. One guy said that he used to go to Dorothy's five days a week to get milk and eggs or whatever and he says that she was very generous she offered always offered a lot to the community she was a friend she helped people out when they needed somewhere to stay she was known for like taking in transients for a night that like needed

a place to stay people passing through town that were drifters and shit she would like take them in and feed them and this sounds like her dream this is weird sounds like she's in the 30s first of all right like this it sounds like she did really well in minnesota and moved here to like live a happy life and give back a little bit yeah or yeah i don't know how well but yeah she's dangerous fucking life yeah if you're inviting transients from the mountains into your house i don't know how happy that is it seems frightening but this guy also says when we were having some hard times she'd carry our credit as far as the groceries which really helped so she would give people credit until they could pay back because they were neighbors they weren't going anywhere where the fuck are they going right so

i mean if they're if they get their house taken away from them and they have to leave then your grocery bill is really kind of a secondary concern for them anyway. So point. Otherwise, yeah. So the family lives above this store. Like I said, their apartment is like above the store. In 1983, there's always some problems. But in 1983, the problems kind of come to a head. And Dwight leaves the family. The third husband's gone here. Not enough.

And it's mainly because of her son, son david now the weird thing is dwight takes off but his son stays oh yeah which is weird as shit it's a strange fucking thing his his son troy stays here how old is her teenager ah same shit i don't know if it's not to disrupt him in school or what the fuck the deal is but in the apartment it turns out is dorothy david and troy live there so i mean it's very strange that he would leave this his son there but that maybe that's how good she is i don't know maybe that's how nice she is or whatever so uh problem is dwight the reason i'm going to go ahead on a limb and assume that this is the reason why the marriage broke up because it happened around the same time but this is around this time

Dwight is convicted of assault after threatening David with a knife and a baseball bat so he's the asshole if you threaten someone's teenage son with a knife and baseball bat to the point of conviction you might that might end their marriage

you know that's not going to be it's going to be a weird Thanksgiving and the stepson decided i'm going to keep mom and maybe that's why because his dad is a fucking threatens teenagers with knives and baseball bats and maybe it's like you know what i'm not doing too great in science i don't really want to fucking mess with this guy something bad shit can happen here so uh 1984 comes around this is really when the case the whole thing happens here 1984 let's think about 1984 for a minute and ronald reagan gets re-elected i'm three hulk hogan hasn't uttered the n-word yet still on top of the world he isn't even bald yet right hulk hogan has hair that's how long ago this is michael jackson's black bill cosby's white shit's fucked up dude and their

kids trapped in the Upside Down. I was just going to say, and Demogorgons rule the Upside Down. It's a weird time, everybody. Very strange. Hulk Hogan has hair, Bill Cosby's white, Michael Jackson's black, Demogorgons. It's strange. Strange times is what I'm getting at here. So, 84 really was a weird time.

And Dorothy is running the store kind of full-time but she's also working almost full-time as a registered nurse as well at the new lincoln hospital like we said so she's very busy going back and forth and she's got these teenagers and she seems happy with it though that's just the way it is uh one of the residents of town said anytime she wasn't working in the hospital she was working in the store so you could always know where to find her um she's also uh religious she has on her refrigerator she has a handwritten note of hers that says quote i can do all things through christ which strengthens me so that's her affirmation every day that's what steph curry has written on his basketball shoes does he really yeah is he really and uh under armor tried to distance themselves from it because uh he only

has a portion of it on the shoes now jesus christ instead of saying i can do all things through christ it just says i can do all things yeah like what if we just they made it two words i love how they took a they took a humble kind of a humble almost uh you know giving the the uh praise up to somebody else rather than that to be like i'm the fucking best because that's the i from what i understand i'm not a very religious man but from what i understand the the teachings of jesus were all about maybe just braggadocio he was just going around being like watch me do this pow right why motherfucker what i can do anything well your fucking arm fell off guess what not the other one because you are healed healed motherfucker pass it on tell everybody about what a bad motherfucker jesus big swinging cock Christ is.

That's right. You tell him. I can do all things. All things. Including lay some dick down on that good looking wool you got next to you. What's happening, baby? What's up with you? I can do all things. Signed, Steph Curry.

Fuck yeah. The most religious man in the NBA and he's got I can do all things. What's happening? I'm Steph Curry. Fuck yeah. The most religious man in the NBA. And he's got, I can do all things. What's happening, foots? How you doing? It's like Under Armour doesn't know that people get it. Have you heard, I don't know if anybody told you, but I can do all things.

Kind of magic. I mean, Steph Curry came into a meeting and was like, I'd like to put just a quote from the Bible. And they're like, you heard about how many people hate in and out because of their shit. What if we make it really, really arrogant instead? That's what if it's your shoes, Jesus's shoes are your shoes. You can do everything. I don't see Jesus on the court. It's SC, not JC Christ. Yeah.

WWSC. That's what we're trying to put out. Motherfucker. SCD. We're trying to move some shoes, not Bibles, bitch. How about that? What the fuck? So, young David is having some problems in town here.

Not with Jesus or anything like that. But he's having some problems, as a lot of teenage kids do. Including myself and yourself. Boy, oh boy. Everybody else. I'm fucking exhausted with these things. Yeah. Oh, God.

Now I'm not talking about your kids. I'm talking about when you were a teenager. Oh, okay. I was a fucking. Well, that too. I was a disaster. I was fucking. I was a menace and I was all over the place and my friends were all criminals and that

was my whole life. So David's kind of having a similar thing except countrified a little bit here. So David's kind of having a similar thing, except countrified a little bit here. One guy says, quote, I came here about six years ago, and my own personal observation was that the thing for kids to get involved in was alcohol. Now it seems to be moving toward drugs. I don't know whether it's a pervasive problem around here or not, but it certainly was in the life of David. So David, that's kind of part of it. As a teenager, first he starts drinking, gets real into weed and drinking at some point here. So that kind of takes a path away from school and just kind of turns into a bit of a fuck-up in general, as I've seen a million people do.

I like to claim that weed does that to you. It's like an enormous amount of people that do heroin have have started with weed but a very small amount they all started with milk so what the fuck are we talking about you know what i'm saying i mean they'll start with heroin right yeah that's what i mean i've never tried heroin yeah i don't fuck with pills and powders period that's it but they all had bananas yeah my daughter's going to college and i told her no pills and powders period that's it but they all had bananas yeah my daughter's going to college and i told her no pills no powders fucking that's that's my advice to you enjoy yourself enjoy because i mean you're not going to tell them don't you dare have a drink

because they're going to college or no don't god forbid don't take a toe because they're especially where she's going i'm not going to say but it's a place it's local but it's a known for some they like the parties they like some parties so yeah but i mean i'm gonna say that uh just be careful be careful no pills no powders so they did say that this the the isolation of this town it kind of helps this whole thing because there is nothing to do for kids here like in this area if you're a teenage kid very first of all there aren't a lot of teenage kids there's 225 kids from k through 12 right so there aren't a lot of kids to choose from and then if you do find friends what the fuck are you going to do hang out at the store create your own find a mind to claim i mean there's really not a lot to do you got to make

your own fun that's it so they said there's no there's no real social activities there and so this guy says it makes me see why there could be a bigger problem in there uh he says quote maybe it's because there are plenty of places for them to grow marijuana and this is an 84 well before legality right but oregon in the forest has always been known as copperhead road it's the wild west out there there's a there's weed growing and nobody gives a shit it's growing among other things and it's you know we're not going to get involved in that it's all green from up here green man so he said maybe it's the only entertainment that maybe that's why uh is going into the woods which is a thing and if you come from a place where there's not a lot to do hanging out in the woods is what you do kids go sit in the

woods because it's a place where their parents aren't so they can drink and smoke right and i the adults not used to find like where i was from like we'd find like a patch of woods there was this one patch of woods that was like between these two fucking uh like complexes of uh stores and all this shit a little patch of woods we sat in there like it was the fucking yeah like it was a national forest because it was a place where you couldn't see us in there and we could do what we wanted exactly and there was a homeless guy that lived in there and he was this older guy and he was heavyset and he would sit there naked jerking off all the time you'd have to walk by him and he'd look at you jerking off howdy how's it going he lived in his car sort of his car was parked out in front of the store there and then he'd just be

in the woods and he wasn't jerking it for your benefit. No, he was not jerking it. You'd come in, he's already jerking. Like, you walk around the corner, he's already got a full stroke going. I've been there. Yeah. And he's got, like, all this, like, he had, like, an encampment set up. Right.

And he'd just be sitting naked on a fucking, like, an apple thing, like a milk crate. He'd be sitting there naked whacking it. And he'd just look over at you and then look away, but he'd be whacking it. And they wouldn't be like, oh, excuse me. It would be like, I'm busy. If you're if you're offended you can leave yeah i've been here i've been here and i'm staying just showed up yeah that's what it was uh so yeah he said going into the woods was the entertainment he says but quote but just the school and the church are about the only organizations around here in a position to deal with things like that and we can only do what we can so there's really nothing to do for these kids and uh david here his teachers kind of talk about him and they

say he progressed in school just fine until he hit the ninth grade and then they said his grades went right in the shitter and his attitude was shitty and he just turned into a different kid which sometimes is explainable in switching schools and stuff but they're in the same school right which is strange i'm so scared of that yeah that's yeah kids turn into dicks my little which sometimes is explainable in switching schools, but they're in the same school. Right. Which is strange. I'm so scared of that. Yeah, kids turn into dicks. My little guy's so easy to get along with,

and I don't want him to be a complete dick. Yeah, well, he's going to be. He will. So, fuck. Richard Wisner here, it's the old Dickie Wise. Dickie Wise taught the 7th, 8th, and 9th grades, so he taught he taught heart david in all of these grades and was his basketball coach as well when he was playing basketball in middle

school he said that david quote was not motivated a great deal about school but at first he used to use his what he calls his great sense of humor to help him make friends and he called him a giving person and uh he said that he started to do better in school and have a better attitude when he had got help with a reading problem that he was having so that also is an issue that kids have uh weisner this guy said that hearts teachers called a joint meeting at one point and in attendance were a bunch of teachers david and also dorothy and dwight dorothy david and Dwight were all there as well. So everybody's in this mean Dickie, Dickie, Dorothy, David and Dwight are all on hand here.

They're all there. And he says at this meeting, Dorothy, quote, became mad about this because they were telling him they basically sat him down and said, look, your kids having problems. His grades are in the shitter. We'd like to help. And, you know, let's get a program going on she instead said quote if there were any problems they rested with the school said this is your bad i don't want to hear it yeah fuck you which offended i don't know yeah that's not the way to go about it at all uh so they said that was about that um after that they said that david was uh physically belligerent by that point. Like he was after the meeting.

And when his mom showed no interest in helping from what the teacher said, they were kind of he kind of got worse after that. He said his wife was an elementary school teacher. This why Dickie Wise, his wife, Grace, was an elementary school teacher who heart would be an aid. So you have the high school kids be aids for the elementary school since they're all in the same school. And they said that he was an aid there and she described him as depressed and withdrawn lately doing that sort of shit. So she said that David was happy to see her when she would come into the little

elk store because he would work there with his mom a lot and help out. And it was also downstairs. So it's kind of like their pantry. It's tough to avoid it. Yeah. So so you gotta walk through it to leave yeah you may as well just pick up a shift that's it and everybody would go there so the teacher would go there that grace wiseland would go there to get groceries and she said that uh dorothy who ran the store uh made it clear that she did not want him speaking to me, which is very strange. Oh, Dot's pissed.

Yeah. Dorothy doesn't want any fucking part of she's mad at the school. She doesn't want him talking. Dot knows Grace's husband is responsible for this insult. Yeah. So now he ends up he ends up dropping out of school, but he's like 16 in the ninth grade. So, I mean, it's like, you know, what are you doing? I graduated 20.

Anyway, that's what I'm saying. So I guess he, uh, apparently they said his art teacher at one point said something that seemed to kind of, uh, make him go off the deep end and not want to be in school anymore. They couldn't figure out exactly what it is, but it's his art teacher that pissed him off, which is strange. Um, and when they had that meeting, the Weisisner guy said it seemed they didn't want to believe our ideas like they were telling them look this is what's going on with your son and they were just like nope you're doing something wrong so the art teacher says that yellows are amazing yeah

said he's great so they pulled they ended up pulling david out of school the parents do they pull david out of school in the ninth grade. They force him to drop out. He kind of gets forced to drop out, and they send him to Portland to live with relatives. Because sending kids away from a small town to a city is usually the way to keep them out of trouble. Here's a fuck up. Let's give him many more opportunities. Yeah, he'll have a ton of opportunities now, which is fucking crazy.

So, yeah, they said that he avoided school when he went there. He wouldn't go to school. And he had discipline problems there, too, because he just got shunted off somewhere else. Nobody cares. So Dorothy said at that point that she commits David to a drug rehabilitation program in Eugene. She's pretty sure that's the problem he's running the streets he's acting like a fucking dipshit whether it's in eddyville or portland so he's going to eugene to a drug rehab program uh but he kept running away from it it

was a residential you know inpatient treatment center and he just would run away constantly hard to keep a seven unless it's a prison environment it's hard to keep a 17 year old kid or 16 year old kid that doesn't want to be there there yeah so especially one like this he would run away and uh eventually she dorothy just lets him come home basically just says all right fine just come home you're gonna keep running away anyway which whatever that was a waste of effort that's a waste of effort so uh the state and county officials uh told her that she would have to pay to place him in another home or get counseling for him and she said she couldn't afford it and so that was that

so tough shit another family member tried to help him his half-brother kevin hart not the kevin hart but his half-brother kevin hart seems like he's done doing pretty well for himself yeah he could help him out you're all picturing kevin, though, being like, come here for a minute, man. Like talking to him. Looking up to him. Doing a Fabletics commercial. Come on, Kevin. His big brother holding him at the knees. Yeah, exactly.

Now, Kevin Hart, non-comedian Kevin Hart, was a painter in Portland. And he's the one who took him in for two months. He takes David in for two months in the spring of 82. Kevin said he hoped that a change of environment would break him away from the drug using crowd because there's never drugs in portland it's rare yeah it's not like drugstore cowboy is about fucking portland or anything like it's portland's always been a pretty good center of drug activity like for the last 50 years at, it's definitely been known for that. Jesus. The reason it was first.

Yeah. It led the fact. Yeah. Like, Portland is kind of junky ground zero. Right. Like, always has been. Yeah. It was always, like, heroin users loved Portland.

I don't know if it's because it's a calm, I don't know if it's the clouds. You know, the weather just kind of keeps you there anyway. It's a heroiny kind of weather. You know what I mean? It's really like if weather was heroin or heroin was weather, it would be Portland's weather, right? They should call cloudy all day. Just smack. Yeah.

It's going to be smack today. It's smacky out right now. It's smack in the air. It's a little smacky. It's just junky out. It's interesting. So, yeah, they said, said though his brother kevin said but he just found the same kind of crowd in portland i take him to school and let him get and let him

out and he'd just go behind the building and never go to class um i'd ask him about it but i'm kind of young to be disciplining him he was only 22 and he's his older brother so he's like i'd ask him but he'd be like no i went to school what's he gonna do beat the shit out of him like he's not gonna he's not a parent of a teenage kid. He's 22 years old. It's not his responsibility anyway. No. You learn parenting skills as your kid's age.

So if you're just thrown a teenager in your lap and you're 22 and you haven't built those skills up, you're just like, I don't know. He said he went to school. That's why step parenting is tough. It's hard. That's exactly why it's hard. Because you haven't. You haven't seen this.

You haven't seen it all happen in front of you you gotta watch the development yeah exactly so david at that point goes to live with his uncle larry arnston uh right after that now arnston said that he wanted david to stay for at least four months to see if him and his wife could help him if you leave him here for four months just give me a third of a year, I think we can fucking change this kid here. This is his family. This is his uncle. But they got a call from Dorothy Biggs

10 days after he got to their house asking that they send him back home. So that was that. They said they thought that David probably called her to complain because they were kind of strict and rigid and trying to change his whole lifestyle. They made me stop doing drugs mom mom it's fucked up man i can't even shoot up anymore not that he was shooting i believe this i'm sober that's so

fucked up man not even a couple of brews at the end of the day nothing sitting around the dinner table nothing smell my breath not even a glass of wine my it's messed up so uh anyway he ends up going back to her and she pleaded uh there she said that they say that she begged the county sheriff's department and the health department to give her help and they told her there was nothing that they could do while he was living with her basically you'd have to be like abandoned an orphan for them to help so she would have to pay to have him lodged in a home somewhere and that was that like we said before and at this point too it's hard to discipline him he's 5 11 he's about 240 pounds he's a he looks i'll show you his picture in a minute but he looks like if picture chunk from goonies yeah and just picture that kid not that actual kid grown up because i don't know

what he ended up looking like but picture chunk if you imagined what he'd look like when he's 17. Exactly what this guy looks like. Exactly. I'll bet he looked like a- Truffle shuffle fucking Chunk. A little bit older. Still a mess. Yeah.

So, now, Sherry Biggs is David's stepsister-in-law, which is a lot. Figure that one out. Stepsister. I guess married to his step-brother would be my guess. All right. Right? Yeah. Step-sister-in-law.

I could see that. Yeah, you just tack in law onto whatever. On whatever she is. Yeah, you act like they're related and then tack in law on it. That's how it works. Act like they're married, couples related. And then know that they're not. And then they're not, yeah.

So she said that she couldn't possibly have handled him and was afraid to have her in her home, have David in her home with her two children who were under the age of three. She was afraid that he would be like violent. And she even said, quote, the man's violent. He's got the strength of two men. What could I possibly do in the face of that? The strength of two men. That's not a compliment. They made it sound like he's like a like a half horse or something. Strength of two men that's not a compliment they made it sound like he's like a

like a half horse or something the strength of two men he's a mentor and he's fucking he's got the strength of two men i mean 10 men it's not in a circus yeah 10 men's a compliment strength of two men he's just a little bit stronger than my husband yeah he's just like israel eddie right you can pick up like a disgruntled maybe we should feed him some piano polish and see what happens. Listen. Maybe it'll cure him of everything. We might be changing the name of this town. I'm telling you.

So Michelle Hart Dempsey, who is David's half-sister, this family is... Oh, it gets weirder, too. Wait till later when I tell you what's going on with the sisters. There's too many step-half... What the fuck? Wait till you just wait. We're setting this groundwork, and in a couple minutes, it's all just crashing into a big fucking pile of crazy. But this is my family.

Yeah, a lot of people's. So Michelle Hart Dempsey, she's David's half sister. She said that he had hit her repeatedly and threatened her small children with knives. Oh, no. With knives. Yeah. That's. That's menacing.

Well, I mean, well, it's also shit rolls downhill because someone was arrested for threatening him with a baseball bat and a knife in a position of authority. So you see things. Right. Also, who did what to get him that mad? What happened? Is that just. He's little kids can be annoying. Let's be honest here. You hear the same cartoon over and over again you're like motherfucker i will cut you

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joining wondery plus so she said that his repeated boast that he was going to kill his mother stuck in everyone's minds as well as he would say that, which is interesting. So the Alan Peterson, who's the county juvenile director, says that Hart stays in the juvenile shelter after his mother claimed that he was beyond control in late 1983 and that Hart eventually checked him into another program. So there are so many programs going on here. Now, Verna Buell is the principal of the school. And Verna, Verna Buell is the principal of the school. And Verna,

Verna Buell, she sounds hot. Verna Buell sounds like a piece of ass right there, baby. Yeah. I can't wait to see her mustache. She was shaking, Verna.

Yeah. Her skirt is all the way down to her ankles. Oh, my God. It's dragging on the ground. With those witch shoes. Yeah. The buckles and fat heels.

She's a mean lady i feel like verna buell yeah miss buell right no good no good lace around her neck she says uh he says she she i think verna buell probably she says quote he transferred to portland about two years uh transferred to portland about two years ago i believe it was and he never came back to our school he was a freshman then and i think he was still a freshman when he got back. Yeah. So he never advanced at all. And that was probably a dead-on impression of her.

That's, I think, I got, yeah. I'd seen him on the road a couple of times since then and waved at him, but we never talked or anything like that. That's, I think, a better impression of her. Pretty close. So there was 225 students at the time, and she said that Hart's attendance was, quote, not that regular. So he was absent a lot. He was brought into my office occasionally, and after a while, I took a little more interest in him as a discipline problem.

Well, if you took interest in him as a human being first, as a child, maybe. Or as a project. Something. But yeah, he's a discipline problem. Better pay attention now. Right. Quote, he was a little rowdy at times, but I was always able to handle him like a lot of kids. A lot of kids are fucking rowdy.

Now, another people here, Tammy Bradley, who was a classmate, recently talked about that. He had the last couple of weeks. It was she said about three weeks ago. This was in July of 1984. Three weeks ago, this was in July of 1984, she said that David had been different, that he told his friend Larrick Cook, who is the student body president. Larrick. Larrick. He's so handsome.

This sounds like a big Nordic handsome guy who catches, they go fishing. It sounds like he pulls out just fucking 10 pound trout like nobody's business. Bare hands. Reaches it and grabs it. Chiseled jawline not even a spear nothing so larry is student body president and it's weird that the student body president hangs out with that's in a small town they're the same age so he hangs out with david who normally they wouldn't hang out probably in this whole thing here and apparently david had told larry that it was his mission to kick drugs and alcohol completely,

and he went and got his driver's learning permit, and he proudly showed everyone how proud he was of that, and he talked of returning to school. He said he was going to go back, and he was going to graduate, even if it meant going back as a freshman at age 17. He's going to do it anyway. That's how determined he was to get his life back in order.

Back to school just came out, and he is impressed. He's like, yeah it anyway. That's how determined he was to get his life back in order. Back to school just came out and he is impressed. He's like, yeah, yeah. It's 86 it came out. But still, I'm going to do it. Now, July 1984, there's a fire. It is the fire in the house behind the store. Not the house they live in.

There's a house on the property behind the store, also owned by his family. It's a two-bedroom wooden house that is destroyed by fire in July, just engulfed in flames. And we'll talk more about that in a minute here, too. Now, the next month, though, August 3, 1984, Dorothy, who is always at the store or at the nursing home,

apparently she's not at the store, and then they're looking for her for something, one of her relatives, and so they check the nursing home, and, she's not at the store. And then they check. They're looking for her for something, one of her relatives. And so they check the nursing home and she's not there either. So some time goes by. And this is from the morning to like mid-afternoon.

And it's a female family member. She starts to look for Dorothy because she hadn't been seen in a couple hours by anybody. And she just doesn't have unaccounted for time. She's always somewhere. And so otherwise, too, the store was closed and people were asking questions.

And, hey, where's Dorothy? I'm trying to buy some eggs and shit like that. You know, all that sort of shit here. So anyway, this relative ends up looking through the store. She's not there. She goes upstairs into the apartment above the store where Dorothy lived with the kids. And she finds she's not there either so nobody's home so the relative then asked other family members who seen dorothy

what she's fucking doing and everybody said that they hadn't seen her at all so she finally is like okay let me check and see she looks about apparently behind the stores where dorothy normally parks so she's like let me see if her car is here at least you know what's going on and uh her car isn't there she's like all right well her car is not there she's not here who the fuck knows what happened she said she must have gone on an errand she's always helping people out maybe she's bringing maybe she's like bringing groceries to somebody who's sick or something from the town because that that's something she would do if it was if prompted so they said yeah maybe that's what it is, you know, whatever.

So they kind of relax a little bit. And apparently at that point, though, after a while, the afternoon goes by and she's still not heard from. And she's like, OK, she wouldn't leave the store unattended all day and not go to the nursing home, which is not what she does. So she ends up contacting the Lincoln County Sheriff's Department. They can't find her for like four hours. Please, everybody, if I'm missing for less than a week, don't call. Don't look for me. I'm probably hiding.

That's just the way it is. If I'm not hiding, I'm already dead. That's the other thing. I'm already dead. I'm not like a child or like a woman that there'd be a reason to keep me alive to do terrible things to me. If someone takes me, they're killing me immediately right so i'm dead leave it just leave it alone and on the off chance i am still alive i might be enjoying myself so stay the fuck away i'm either

dead or hiding and loving it one of the two so leave me alone or dead and loving it yeah that'd be good too i'm dead and i'm loving it so one of uh so there's a deputy and they take down all the information dorothy's description she's a heavy set woman and blah blah blah uh the type of car that they thought she was driving her car and um yeah they said yeah we'll follow up and basically we'll go hey tell the other cops around if you see dorothy fucking call it in basically and let us know what she's up to so that's's the afternoon of August 3rd. Now, the morning of August 4th, kind of middle of the night, actually, the early, early morning hours of August 4th, a car is found here. Now, it's a motorist driving along US 20 near Klein Hills Summit.

It's a big fucking huge drop off. near Klein Hills Summit. It's a big fucking huge drop-off. And it's about 25 miles east of Newport and about five to eight miles east of the store. They find a parked car near the top 15 feet from the edge of the embankment where it'll fucking drop off this huge cliff. 15 feet from there, it's there.

And the way it's parked, it's unlikely. No one would stop there on purpose. It's one of those the way it's parked, it's unlikely. No one would stop there on purpose. It's one of those. It's a dangerous spot to be in. You could slide off a fucking hill. So this motorist sees this car, and he says, well, maybe somebody needs help, or they blew out a tire. It's a bad place to be.

Let me see if I can help them out. At minimum, I should warn them, you're about to fall off a fucking cliff. Yeah, one of the two here. Yeah, exactly. It's the middle of the night, too, so it looks like somebody might have went off the road in the middle of the night. Who knows? You stop if you're in a small place like that. Me, personally, I go, oh, Jesus,

they're going to murder me if I stop. I'm not stopping anywhere. Everybody's going to kill you at one in the morning if they're a stranger. They're trying to lure you in to murder you. They're either killing themselves or me, and I'm going to keep on going. I'm not going to be a witness either way.

I've seen way too much small town murder that we've done and everything else and people who just find things they always are scrutinized always the guy who fucking found hayman lee yeah they were like oh he's a pervert this that all he had to do was not say a fucking obviously that's terrible for the family and everything but for that guy he has nothing to do with any of this shit. It's not his daughter. He's not the murderer. He's not doing anything.

And they're all talking about him jerking off in the woods and his fucking alcoholism and all this shit. He's like, I found a girl. I'm a hero. The meteorite found Kaylee Anthony. Same fucking thing. Yeah. Poor bastard. That's what I mean.

It always, whoever finds someone goes through it. Why were you there, you fucking creep? What do you mean? If I'm walking through the woods or the desert... I'm a hero. Fuck that. If I'm walking through the woods or the desert, my head is not on a swivel. I am looking straight ahead. I don't want to see shit going from anywhere.

I didn't see it. I don't want to have to come back out here for questioning. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. We almost ruined a poor woman's proposal. Man's proposal. He let her out. One of our listeners let his girl... No, our listener is the girl and he let proposal because he let her out one of our listeners let his girl no our listener is the girl and he led her boyfriend let her out to the woods to like this nice little spot that he had laid out out there yeah yeah and they're like walking

out there she's like i'm not going another step further there are people out here that will fucking murder us let's go home he finally convinced her enough to get her to spend the rest of her life with him but But that was almost cut very short. But almost no time in the woods, though, apparently. So, yeah, this guy stops. Now, it's a foggy night here. The the man who found this scene, he describes it as a foggy night. He says that inside the car is a woman.

Eyes are closed. radio on full blast okay gas pedal weighted down so the engine is at like five six thousand rpms i mean it's when you if you fucking and your wheels are turning that's how i sleep so weighted down and uh it is 15 feet shy of this embankment edge. Okay. But where it is, it's caught. So the wheels aren't catching anything. Got it. It's up on like a, they're just spinning, but it's weighted down. And when this motorist walks up to the, to the driver's side of the car to see what's

going on, he says he could see that there is blood all over the, this person's face in the driver's seat. And so he stopped at that, obviously. And, yeah, he ended up calling this in to say there's something going on. Somebody's injured out here. It's off the U.S. 20, like I said. Now, the deputies get the call. And the car description and everything else and the description of the person in the car sound like Dorothy.

It's Dorothy's description. It's her car. And it's a heavyset description of the person in the car sound like Dorothy. It's Dorothy's description. It's her car, and it's a heavyset middle-aged woman in the car. So they're like, well, that's a bad sign. Did he turn the car off, or did he just tell them, hurry up, man. No wheels are spinning. They're spinning. If it grabs, it's over. I wouldn't fucking touch that car because I'm going with it.

If I'm inside trying to take the weight off and it goes, I'm hanging with my feet out of the fucking door shooting off. Hope it runs out of gas. Yeah don't know man this thing this this falls heavily under the category of not my fucking problem here like and that's not to be a jerk but i have a very new yorker just thing on the world is i didn't fucking see it i didn't do it you know what i mean like you just you don't mind you mind your business i'm italian too you mind your business i was told forever mind your own fucking business'm Italian too. You mind your business. I was told forever. Mind your own fucking business. It was outside on an Easter one time and there was a drive by down the street. My grandmother was out there and somebody tried to call the cops and she screamed at

them. But what the hell are you doing? You don't know. It's none of your business. She said, you don't know what they do. You don't know what my, these people do that. That's not your business. You know, everybody went inside.

Nobody did anything. None of your business. You don't know if they deserved it. Yeah. I said, okay, that's, that's not your business you know everybody went inside nobody did anything none of your business you don't know if they deserved it yeah said okay that's that's how i was raised mind your fucking business all right none of your business maybe if they minded their business they were shot right now that's what i'm saying we don't know maybe that's how they started maybe they called the cops exactly either way mind your own business look the other way that's how you do things go back home so anyway that they don't fuck with you exactly never nobody ever fucked with me so uh the uh yeah everything the car everything fits here so dorothy's general description but of course they didn't want to it could have been someone stole the car they didn't

know so anyway they didn't notify the family yet they go they want a positive identification first here so when they get there the detectives note that there are traces of like saliva and blood had trickled down from the corner of this woman's mouth her lips and cheeks were drained of color and uh the face looked to have been battered and very bloody. So it looks like this person has been through. Looks like this person went off the embankment in a car and then was put in another car and put up to the edge of the embankment. That's what it looks like.

Yeah, that's what it looks like. This car is safer. Yeah. So it looks it's a the car is in pre accident mode and she's in post accident mode. So it's a very strange thing. They're like, did she predict the future? What the fuck is in pre-accident mode and she's in post-accident mode so it's a very strange thing they're like was this did she predict the future what the fuck is going on here uh is there a delorean around here yeah what the shit maybe check behind the billboard that was a trick i saw him do it's under bushes back it's back there just check the barn

so uh don't be scared if he's in a spacesuit. He does that sometimes. So what they see is that her hands are bloodless and her fingers are white as just white as shit. Okay. A while. Yeah. No blood on her hands, though, too, which is strange here. All victims. Oh, these are all signs that she'd been dead for a little while.

She wasn't like brand new dead and things like that. But they said the weird thing was that her hands and arms were fastened under her seatbelt. Yeah. Not over it like you would to be able to reach the wheel. It would be like if you were pinning someone in. That's how it would be. So that's a strange thing that obviously nobody can drive like that. Clearly that she didn't put herself in that situation.

And another very strange thing is what she's wearing. She's dressed in a pair of men's pants that don't fit her. First of all, they're badly fitting. And also a pair of men's shoes that don't fit her either. So it's a strange outfit for someone to leave the house in. Two things that aren't even yours and two don't even fit you. To go out driving with your knees. Yeah, to leave the house in. Two things that, A, aren't even yours, and two, don't even fit you. To go out driving with your knees. Yeah, to go out knee driving.

So they were like, they didn't know, does she normally wear male clothing? Is this something she does? Because, you know, no judgments here. They just need to know if somebody did this to her, if this is what she does. They didn't think so because no one had ever talked to her. No one had ever heard that. And plus, if she was wearing men's clothes, she'd probably get men's clothes that fit at least. She wouldn't get shoes that are too big and pants that don't fit her.

So it doesn't make any sense, basically. So they're like, why would someone put her in men's clothes? Is this some sort of sex crime? You know what I mean? Who knows? Because they must have put clothes on her. So who the fuck knows? Maybe she was undressed and they dressed her up real quick in clothes that didn't fit shoved her in a car thought whoever did this because that's fucking what you

just expect you've seen too many movies sir not all cars explode when they go down that's the other thing yeah they're gonna find her in this yeah probably but also they said her head looks battered and shit like that which would be what would happen to you if you fell off a thing but there's there's other things here so yeah they're wondering is this is just this like an attempt to confuse people is this like a is this some nefarious serial killer like what's going on here used as fuck that's what i'm saying here they knew they would have to find some answers here so they try to do it and uh they find out that she had when they examine her body that she had sustained a severe beating prior to death here. They didn't move the body at first, but they could see visually numbers of bruises, cuts, and abrasions all over.

Anything where her clothes isn't covered, you can see. Just a sustained beating. Looks like she's been beaten bad. Her hair was matted with drying blood, which is terrible. Still sticky and everything else. So it hasn't been there forever, a week or anything. The palms of her hands are bloodstained, but the backs aren't. So now there's no signs of an attempt to escape in here.

There's no signs of resistance. There's not handprints all over everything. If she was conscious here, then you would have seen hand marks everywhere and her trying to get out of the car she probably wouldn't be under the seat belt that's the thing something so they they ended up uh they search her pockets which normally they'd wait for the medical examiner but they searched the pockets to see if they could find id so they could know if it's dorothy or not here since they were looking for it anyway. But they said when they got to her pockets, her pockets hadn't been basically the pockets were still in. No one like robbed her and she has no identification or anything or money or

anything on her. So it's a very strange thing here of what the fuck's going on. So all sorts of people come from Lincoln County law enforcement agencies. They close off the area around the store where she worked in the house they cordon everything off basically they everything from the car to the store is fucking blocked off this is all a crime scene eight miles of highway and everything else like all a crime scene they don't this doesn't really happen here so obviously so he they said that they had search warrants. They searched her car. They searched her residence, everything like that.

What they would reveal to the press and everybody is the death did not occur where the car was found. She wasn't killed in the car. She wasn't like beaten in the car and then left in there. She said they said the death was related in some part to their investigation at the store. That's all they would tell the press. And yeah. So they said that quote it's my understanding from the police it did it did happen in the home is what they think but they have nothing to verify it at that point so this takes like at least an uber driver and and

the murderer that's what i mean this is how the fuck do you get a car out there that's the thing so uh they're they're wondering like obviously they think this was meant to look like a traffic accident somebody beat her and then weighted down the thing and we're like she'll go right over that cliff boom beating it'll look bad they'll say oh wow especially if she's all burned up and bruised i mean she went off the fucking thing who knows maybe she fell asleep at the wheel so uh bob mobley who's the owner of King Salvage Company, he's the tow guy, and he said that the car was idling there when he got there. It was still on, but they had taken the gas pedal off there. They said, though, it would have went off into the trees and rocks another 15 feet here. So they do the autopsy, and the state medical examiner describes it thusly.

and the state medical examiner describes it thusly. There was bleeding on both sides of her head and she suffered numerous other bruises, but it wasn't beating or bruises that killed her. He says, quote, the lady was strangled. Oh, wow. That's what they find out. They said she was probably strangled with a garment that was later found tied around her body,

which they found. And the garment left a ligature furrow you know a fucking mark uh one and a half inches wide on her neck that's a big one so she's definitely been strangled here uh they did the autopsy like i said um they think that a medical examiner believes the beating was probably with fists and something consistent with a baseball bat is what they think here fists feet and baseball bat is what they think here. Fists, feet, and baseball bat is what they're thinking. And so, yeah. Now, later that morning, they're trying to figure it out, what's going on here.

And they said that she's very nice and giving. So, they're like, first thing is, they they ask around has she let any transients in lately has she let any drifters in because you let somebody drifter that's in your house all the time there's a good chance eventually one of them will bludgeon you to death to rob you who knows so they said maybe that's what it is and they said everyone around said nope no one's been like that through town she hasn't asked anybody to help for you know charity for somebody lately so they don't think that's what it is so they talked to the locals they figured out has anybody stayed there at all lately maybe somebody stayed there a month ago and then you know scoped the place out and came back or some shit like that

uh but they said through all everyone at town they said it's been months since she'd put anybody up so that was unlikely and they could find you know no evidence of her helping anybody else. But they did find out from one of the relatives they talked to some interesting, interesting information about David Hart, the son, 17 year old, that made them decide to pick him up and talk to him. And they find him walking along the highway shortly after daylight on August 4th. Almost home. Yep. Literally is walking along the highway um now they also pick up his stepbrother troy biggs as well uh they were both walking it was 9 a.m on a saturday and uh yeah they they found they had found dorothy eight hours earlier so they pick him up and first

they talk to troy now troy has a story yeah troy says that he was in a bathroom hiding while he heard david beating his mother oh no is what he says he says that he emerged three times from the bathroom to see if it was over and it wasn't so he went back into the bathroom fucking judas yeah thanks a lot well doesn't help her and then tells on him. You're good for nobody. Either be down with the fucking murder or help a fucking person not be murdered. Pick one. Don't do. What are you doing? You don't get to be Switzerland and then arc on everybody.

Jackass. He did say that he also then helped carry his stepmother's body to the car. And he says that David told him that he would be next if he didn't help. So he said that that David was subjected to a lot of abuse by his mother, but it wasn't a daily thing. It was mostly Dorothy that hit on him when he done, quote, when he done something wrong. So the night of this, the night that all this happened, Tyrone says that his stepmother was, quote, fairly drunk and had a pretty good buzz going. And also that David had been drinking as well. Tyrone says that his stepmother was, quote, fairly drunk and had a pretty good buzz going. And also that David had been drinking as well. Tyrone?

They'd both been drinking. Tyrone, what did I say? You just said Tyrone. Did I? Troy. Troy. Troy. It's a T name.

I'm going to call him every T name. So Thad. What else did Tyrone say? Yeah, tell me all about it. So they said that David had been smoking. Tyrone. out. Yeah, tell me all about it. So they said that David had been smoking Tyrone. Yeah. No. Troy said that David had been smoking weed and drinking, and the stepmother was also drunk, too.

So they got into an argument, and that's how that went on here. So they talked to David. Now, here is a picture of David. Oh, boy. Here we go, David. Who does he look like, Jimmy? Whoa, what the fuck? teen chunk is it not fucking teen chunk james that guy is horrifying yeah teen chunk he is even what is that shirt oh is that just an open button down it looks like those white things are not the collar no no that's that's just marks on the newspaper

it's a from a newspaper terrible looking individual he looks like chunk yeah but 17 right it's exactly what he looks like a very pale one yeah yeah oh yeah yeah totally now he tells three different stories to the cops uh tells all sorts of different stories and then finally he says all right tell you what um he says that uh his mother his half sister and his stepbrother troy had been playing cards in the game room at the store on the night of August 3rd when he began arguing with his mother. So family game night comes to a fucking head here. I get it.

I understand. Fuck that. Yeah, you ever play life? It's annoying. So anyway. Or date game night. Fuck all that, too. Oh, fuck that shit.

No, that's just a way for a couple to hate each other. Absolutely. So apparently David says that his mother made the statement, quote, you're dead. And he said that she that he thought that she was going to kill him. That's what he said later on. But then he said they later went for a ride together and he got out near Klein Mountain because he was sick and was left behind and his mother drove away. So he's trying to say that his mother drove away and because they just said, we found your mother dead.

They don't tell him the details. So he thinks his mother went off the fucking cliff. So he says that, yeah, she dropped me off. I was sick. So I wanted to walk and get some fresh air. And then she just took off over by Klein Mountain over there. So she must have just. Wow.

So, wow. I don't know what happened. I guess that's how she drove off the mountain. Yeah. So then they go, no, no, no. We found it before it went off, and she's still dead. And they were, oh, boy. Oh, what?

So he then said that basically he, what ended up happening, they got in an argument, and he shoved her down the stairs. That's how this started. At the house. At the house on the second story. he shoved her down the stairs that's how this started at the house on the second story he shoved her down the stairs is how it started once he shoved her down the stairs he said he just kept going yeah he was punching and kicking and hitting her with a baseball bat uh beating her with a baseball bat and david this is on a recorded statement to the police says quote all she could say was david i love you i love you i heard all that before he says jesus so he's not buying it yeah not buying it i'm gonna keep beating you with a baseball bat um they said he had a wavering voice here and he blamed his mother

uh for basically said his mother blamed him for the stepfather leaving and since that happened they've been fighting non-stop basically and she's been saying terrible things to him she said that he came up the stairs she came up the stairs to the second floor of the store he and his stepbrother brother troy had their bedrooms up there and there was a television set in the stereo in their room at the top of the stairs and he came she said david said that his mother came up to complain about the music being too loud and he kicked her down the stairs and he came she said david said that his mother came up to complain about the music being too loud and he kicked her down the stairs and then beat her with his fists his feet and a baseball bat and then strangled her wow yeah he said uh all she said was turn the credence down that's it man um fuck man turn down the master of puppets for christ's sake i feel like that's

what he'd be listening to i am so horrified that my kid's gonna be a dick well yeah uh listen to what he says to the cop he says quote this is on the recording quote i came to like he blacked out he said he said i came to with my hands around her neck and as she was taking her last five or six breaths i just squeezed her off and killed her as you came to yeah that's the moment where you should be like what the fuck am i doing he was like well better squeeze harder right and he said he killed her that's already brain damage yeah um he said that uh when he realized what he had done he said that if he would have had a gun at the time he would have blown my quote i would have blown my brains out or i would have blew my brains out.

He said, which, of course, he said improperly. Obviously, he's not going to say it correctly. He added, quote, I don't know what made me do it. He said that early earlier in the evening, quote, she told me she was going to kill me that same night. And he complained that she called his girlfriend a name. She said his girlfriend called her a name that she wasn't there, but called her a name to him and would keep his friends away. So he then said, quote, I didn't love my mother. And we know.

Yeah. He claims that his stepbrother, Troy, was asleep while this was going on, even though he knows he wasn't. He's trying to cover for Troy just because Troy knew about it. And Troy's like, oh, I peeked my head out of the bathroom. He was beating her ass. And he has no he's not helping him at all. But he's trying to cover for Troy just because Troy knew about it. And Troy's like, oh, I peeked my head out of the bathroom. He was beating her ass. And he has no, he's not helping him at all. But he's trying to cover, you know, he's trying to cover for Troy. He then said that he loaded him and him and Troy loaded Dorothy's body into the car, drove it to the top of Klein Mountain, planning to let it run off the highway.

And basically the car ended up getting caught on a ditch and didn't make it to the highway didn't make it into the ravine found by a passing driver he was pissed and then they walked it back wow yeah that's how it ended up eight hours eight hours yeah the whole thing so uh his half sister michelle who was there uh she says that uh heart that david and troy talked about killing dorothy while sitting in her home before returning to the store the night of the death so she said they were talking about it ahead of time and then more people come forward donald hilton who's a guy who a local guy who worked in the big store there in the little elk store he said that david frequently talked about committing acts of violence and that after the fire, remember that fire?

All right. David had offered Donald Hilton $10,000 to kill his mom. I don't know where he thinks he's getting 10 grand from. We'll find out in a minute. But yeah, so he's trying to get a hit put on his mom. He said, and also other people that police talked to, he made similar offers to them. People who would come into the store, come in for a dozen eggs, and's like i'll give you these for free to kill my mom y'all got peaches do you like peaches tell you what what would you do for a klondike bar you uh would you murder for

one about a peachy murder what does that sound what do you think yeah that's that's people just coming into the store wow think about that shit so he describes uh he this guy the donald hilton described dorothy as quote a loving mother and uh he said that her family was falling apart around her she was trying to get it back together now michelle dempsey said that a man came to the door of the mobile home there's mobile homes on the property as well that she was in knocked on the door and said that david had offered him five thousand dollars to kill dorothy so where's she at and he then stayed the night on the property somewhere so michelle's like yeah she's not around he's like i'll wait and he lays down so michelle went and warned her mother at

that point hey there's a guy. Is that guy sleeping outside? He's here to kill you. So, I mean, I don't know if you want to. Probably don't. Don't invite him in is what I'm getting at. Just if you're going to give him a sandwich, just toss it out to him. Don't invite him in the house. Hey, we got to kick David out.

And here's why. Yeah, right. What the fuck? She said that she later heard them talking about uh killing dorothy before it happened but he did she didn't warn dorothy about that because she's heard similar talk before and never took it seriously they just they get drunk these kids and spout off at the mouth basically another woman or another guy delbert prindle is his name oh boy jesus he he said he and two other boys went to the store he's a younger guy too named delbert prindle went to the store the night of dorothy's death uh death and that david

came out and said get out of here i just killed dorothy and then held his hands up and showed them there was blood all over them what the fuck this was like right when it was happening right after it happened so why would you do that? I mean, obviously, you're not really trying to cover your tracks at that point. No. So they decide they're going to go ahead and charge him with murder here. They said they charge him with aggravated murder. They're trying to say the prosecution says this is a torture murder. Yeah.

Basically, because of the baseball bat and all this sort of thing. And the sustained beating. The sustained beating. And the defense is trying to say, you know, he's snapped and he's a fucked up kid. Heat of the moment bat and all this sort of thing and the sustained beating the sustained beating and the defense is trying to say you know he's snapped and he's a fucked up kid at the moment he's the moment fucked up kid he's been abused his home we'll get into some of this shit here also uh they charge him with murder they also charge his cousin with uh as well at first but then he ends up uh he's charged with hindering prosecution, the cousin. And then later on, they'll charge him with something else here. So his attorney, though, David's attorney, asked the court to to basically arraign him as a as a juvenile, not an adult.

And so there's a thing going on whether he's going to be tried as an adult or not. But he's 17. He's 17. That's not good. It's not great. So, yeah, they said. And also the prosecutor said the charge will probably change this week to aggravated

murder. And that's for the beating and all that sort of shit here. So he's being held as a juvenile in jail at the moment without bail, but then they're going to figure it out. And they said that he'll probably figure it out within about three weeks how they're going to handle the whole thing. His cousin has a $10,000 bail.

And so that's how that goes. Now, David pleads innocent to aggravated murder, obviously. And aggravated murder is punishable by a maximum of life in prison with a minimum of 20 years required before parole can be considered. That's the maximum? That's the maximum for aggravated murder there. First-degree manslaughter is punishable by a maximum of 20 years in prison and a hundred thousand dollar fine why why not make it a trillion

someone's been in prison for 20 years where the fuck are they going to get a hundred thousand dollars to pay that back it's not going to happen it's never going it's just not going to ever happen that's like giving somebody a hundred,000 credit card debt and being like, pay that off now. Here we go. It's never happening. It's 20 years in prison and a $100 trillion kajillion million jillion Google fine. Just as much as you can. Whenever you got it.

Whenever. It's there. But if you don't have it soon, we'll put you back in jail. See, that's what we're going to do. So the reaction to the town is fucking everybody shocked. People say she was a good friend of theirs and, you know, help them. And, you know, the store is closed down after that. They have a big piece of butcher paper tacked to the wall saying it's closed till further notice, which sucks.

It just looks like it's hastily closed down. One guy here who they list in the paper as a, quote, community leader. Who the fuck is that? That could be anybody in town with 215 people. He could be the guy who caught the biggest fish last year. He's the community leader. Highest game of bowling, too, this guy. He did it.

He bowled like a.258 last year. This guy's in fucking charge. Tarek was busy, so we got this guy. We got him. Tarek's out there catching trout with his bare hands. Yeah, you know how it goes. Lark. Lark.

Lark. Lark. Now, they say, quote, Dorothy was a kind of community person. We have quite the spectrum of people here. There's people whose families have been here from pioneer times, newer people that came here just to retire, people who commute to different jobs in toledo and even corvallis people have come from the counterculture too we all know we all know each other everybody's friendly everybody is accepted as what we are generally

speaking those have been here for some time are conservative and those who have been coming lately are from the counterculture are not conservative so anyway another one's hospital colleague said that quote she was very caring she was an excellent nurse she had a lot of friends if somebody needed help she would help them well that's nice she also said this death is a tragedy it really tears me up because i know they were really trying to solve their problems through counseling okay now what happened well the reverend in town at the Eddyville Community Church, he knows the answer. He knows. He said it's all the evils of drugs and alcohol.

Lost their way. That's what happened. This is Reverend Franklin Haas of the Eddyville Community Church. Got to say his name because he's an idiot. So he says that, yeah, he says that he believed the use of drugs and alcohol was the central cause of events that led to the death here. He said that's all it was. He blames all of this. He says, quote, I'm just certain that if there hadn't been a drug problem, this wouldn't have happened. That's not helping any.

He said that Dorothy helped David hard to, quote, whip his problems. He said that she had the boy committed to a residential treatment program for drug users last winter, but he ran away several times and finally dropped out. He said the program helped a great deal,

but David didn't spend enough time there, so obviously. He said him and members of the congregation reached out to help the boy, too. Oneriended david and included it included him on fishing trips and outings another man yeah with church people you know what you need after that a fucking shower and a line and a fucking six pack of beer that'll push you right back into your problem fuck man around with this guy talking about you know gee golly yeah fuck you man church people want to take me on a fishing trip i assume someone's going to try to touch

my butthole at some point so i'm not going why do you want to be in the woods alone with me now so uh what's your vision with me i don't trust you there see you worm yeah nope nope i keep my bait to myself no night crawlers are going on here my friend so another person they had who was uh a an alcohol recovered alcoholic is the way they put it uh also worked with david trying to give him encouragement this hoss guy said he's the reverend he counseled the family which included dwight and dorothy there although dorothy once dwight left wouldn't have anything to do with the church because she's catholic and that's a christian church so anyway uh Dwight left, wouldn't have anything to do with the church because she's Catholic and that's a Christian church. So anyway, Dwight left the family and he said he could no longer deal with David.

This is a quote. He said the arguments with David had become so violent that he would have to leave before one of them was killed. That's what the stepfather said. So he said the problem was Dwight had no way to deal with David other than violence. So he said the problem was Dwight had no way to deal with David other than violence. And he, you know, basically. And he also said that, you know, he had no way to deal with him other than violence and that he would have profited by a deeper religious life. That's why he couldn't bridge the gap because he wasn't didn't wasn't godly enough.

He said, yeah, I didn't have any fear. Yeah. He said before Dwight left, he and Dorothy took turns coming to church with David and the other remaining home to mine the store. He said they were trying to help David in that way. He also said that Dorothy fought her son's drug habits. He says, quote, there's a fear here that somebody who's involved in this sort of thing could do something to the rest of us who get involved. So, you know, you should. People are now scared to get help anybody because they're just going to murder them uh she said that uh a number of people are here are feeling like they'd like to make

they'd like to make war about this drug problem right now yeah because that's what that's what you get you get that's how that's how that happened right some kid kills his mom right and then they somebody goes in the paper ramps it all up that it's all about drugs. And someone sits home and goes, oh, my God, the goddamn drugs. The difference between this guy and your family is the fact he has a drug problem. That's the only thing. That's it. Not the fact that the dad pulls knives on people. They beat the shit out of each other constantly.

And Dorothy calls his girlfriend a whore. There's no respect. That's what it is. Well, yeah. Fucking respect for each other. Let's find out. It keeps going. Happy. Let's find out who David is. Let's what it is. Well, yeah. Fucking respect for each other. Let's find out. It keeps going. Happy.

Let's find out who David is. Okay. Let's find out what happened to fucking David. And that's exactly what it is. Here we hit the nail on the head. People in the community remembered him for the most part as a polite, friendly, eager to please person is what they said. One of the mother who has kids in the school system there said, quote, he was kind of a sad kid.

He over talked. He over joked. He wanted friends so badly. They said that, quote, staff spent a lot of time trying to get him to live up to his ability. In other words, he wasn't retarded. He wasn't a genius. It's the school in 1984. He wasn't a genius, but he was capable.

He bottled things up quite a bit he desperately wanted friends he would try to buy friends with gum and gum or candy he was really wanting to be accepted he was accepted but cautiously so because he was new and when you're at a school there's only 200 kids in the whole fucking school k through 12 and you come in as a new kid yeah you're really new and you're a functioning idiot you know you can't blend there's no way to blend there's no you are every microscope everyone's staring at you what's your fucking deal what's your quirk that's gonna make us like you boy if you got one right so you got some tootsie rolls in your pocket yeah fuck i'll take one make me friends with you yeah so um the another uh woman here is ann cook that is Larrick Cook's mother, the student body president's mother.

Popular boy. Now, Larrick had gone fishing with David the day before the murder. They went out fishing, and they said that day that David was happy-go-lucky, having a good time, was no problem. Now, Ann also said, Ann Cook said that David had come to her home in January 1982 with bruises all over his arms and he had told her that he'd been abused and that he'd been abused and told to leave the house by his mother and stepfather this is when he was 15 he said that Dorothy called him stupid or she said that she had heard personally Dorothy call him stupid in her presence and also complained about his drinking and drug use, which is a good thing to complain about for a 15-year-old.

She said, though, quote, it was meant to be hurtful and to tear down his self-esteem. Then she says, Cook talks about this. About two and a half years ago, he came over and asked if he could move in with their family, with the Cook family. He said he just couldn't handle it at home anymore. with their family, with the Cook family. He said he just couldn't handle it at home anymore. So she allowed him to stay overnight and then ended up checking

with the Lincoln County Children's Services officials to see what the next step would be. What's the legality here? Will I be arrested? Am I kidnapping a child here? So they told her that he could not stay permanently with them or any other family unless his parents gave legal consent,

and they weren't, obviously. So Larrick, Cook, and two other eddyville students that who said who knew heart they said they never saw him get angry with any of his friends he liked to tell jokes and stories and play harmless pranks uh such as you know the salt shaker lid shit and stuff like that that's what he was into fucking hate that so into 10 year old pranks basically he's immature yeah it sounds like and that's hard for a kid if you're a couple years behind maturity wise it's hard the cock circle that doesn't in a restaurant i hope you crash on your way home you can die i hope you had a fucking tree you jerk yeah and go off the cliff right now my fucking pizza's covered in red pepper now it's ruined

i've got to try to pull that shit thank you you fucking dick thank you so uh he says normal stuff like that uh but he also said that uh this is the larry cook the kid he also said that hart often spoke of wanting to kill his mother and that he would tell him that he shouldn't even talk about such things another one of his friends mark gormley here said that he'd heard the threat too and he always heard the reason he says quote he was always showing me lumps on his head that his mother had given him and said that was the reason he wanted to kill her okay uh gormley remembered my heart's mother here dorothy as quote strict and suspicious polite enough but not pleasant all the time she looked kind of mad you know so a mom i was gonna say a mom of a fuck-up teenage kid that's doing it on her own because she has resting bitch face doesn't mean that she should be murdered.

That's, I mean, Jesus Christ. The woman's got two jobs. She owns a business, for Christ's sake. Two jobs, a bunch of trailers, kids everywhere. She's raising two boys. One of them's not even fucking hers. That's what I mean. Nobody fucking helping.

Yeah, you'd look a little, you wouldn't look so pleasant. Pull your fucking weight. But you maybe also would not have lumps on your head. Right. So a member of the community's non-denominational church also told the investigators that he first met David four years earlier during Christmas. He says, quote, The church was going around caroling and we stopped at the store.

Oh, boy. David came out and wanted to join us. He didn't, though. The reason was that his mother was a Catholic and didn't feel that that that was the thing for him to do. So, yeah. his mother was a catholic and didn't feel that that that was the thing for him to do uh so yeah and they said but later on they came into the church and it was fine but at the time she wasn't allowed he wasn't allowed to go caroling with people i mean it's the same celebration but it's not that's not the way we sing it's still christmas who gives a shit in that song no same fucking

songs christians and catholics sing this stupid yeah that's the type of shit maybe if you went around singing christmas carols he wouldn't be so fucking angry all the time you know i don't know maybe you wouldn't want to do drugs as much however long he's out singing carols he's not drinking yeah so you know what that's a win look at that as a fucking win hitting anybody with a baseball bat yeah uh this person from the church also said they would attend church quote fairly regularly a quote i couldn't imagine david killing his mother i can't fathom anybody around here doing that so that's just a round hair yeah so i get to imagine because it fucking happened the kids said that they knew that heart was uh you know having a little smoking a little bit of weed

they say it's like a dozen kids out of the hundred kids from like the high school part that kind of use weed baby you know maybe it's 10 of the kids in the high school and larry cook said quote everyone expect everybody experiments with drugs because of peer pressure but most people don't stick with it but david did it to get away from the things that and he couldn't get that he couldn't get away from hold on which is fair is this just weed? This is just weed. Get the fuck out of here. Weed. They're blaming... No, no, no. He's not doing coke. They're blaming this on, you know,

dude was drinking a 40 and smoking some weed. If anything, he didn't have enough weed. That's my thing. You should have given him more. He didn't have enough weed is the problem. Otherwise, that would be... If you give someone enough weed, they will not kill anything.

I promise you that. I swear to God, they'd be like, I don't know. She's a bitch. But tomorrow's better. This is unbelievable. Yeah, I don't think I've ever heard an entire town rally around if he hadn't smoked all that. I was the pastor and the huge article in their paper like fucking. This is what I'm saying.

This is a small town murder. That's why he left all the treatment centers because he sat down with somebody next to him with track marks talking about the horrible things he did to get heroin. And he's like, I smoke weed. And they're like, it's going to be worse for you. Right. No, it's not. Now, the mother here, Ann Cook, Larrick's larry's mom said quote he was the only teenage boy i know who would run to open the door for you as a mother i think the one thing he most

desperately needed was love i'm not saying he didn't get it i'm just saying he didn't get enough for david so that's fair um now his school teacher there the wise dicky wise he says quote to write david's actions as alcohol or drug induced as a sham those substances may have played a part but the belief that violence can solve problems played a greater part there you go thank you he says damn it quote he wasn't born a murderer he became one he wasn't born violent he had to learn how to be violent someone had to show him right yeah that's how the shit works in the world here he said said that Dickie Wise also said that he wished that when he was around David, that he had possessed the professional counseling skills when he was close enough that maybe could have helped him when he was around him. And then he says, this is after he's been arrested for murder, quote, I'd just like to tell David I still have two dozen worms in the refrigerator that he sold me.

And someday I hope to go fishing with him again. You're going to keep those alive? I mean, there'll be new worms, I assume. He had those then. But we'll get new worms when we fish. We're going to use their fucking carcasses. We're going to catch all the catfish. They'll be fucking dust by then.

Another female resident said, quote, I'm relieved he's out of Eddyville. He's not a safe boy to be around. I'm petrified. He'll come back. Jesus. Jesus Christ, man. So he doesn't have a vendetta against society. They act like he's a vampire.

Like it's the lost boys moving into fucking town. It's like, give me a goddamn break. I hate this story. He's dangerous, but it's not towards a random. No, he's not going to do shit on the street. He's got very focused rage. Yeah, toward a very specific person here. So September 28th, 84,

they go to court to see if he's an adult. So I love how this country is. So we have it set in stone. 18's an adult. You can vote at 18. You can buy booze. You can buy fucking cigarettes. Not anymore.

You can do whatever you can fucking do at 18. You can vote. You can join the army. You can do all this type of shit. But when you've murdered somebody, they have to go to court to see if you're under 18 or not. We'll see how close you are to it. Hey, I can solve all of your trials right now.

You under 18? Yes. Move along. Not an adult. You over 18 when you did it? Yeah. You're an adult. Otherwise, what the fuck are we doing?

When cigarettes were an 18 age, I couldn't walk in and be like, I've been smoking since I'm 16 and I'm addicted. I need cigarettes. No. My ID says that I'm 17. But obviously I'm an adult. Obviously. I'm an adult smoker.

I can handle this. That didn't work at all. Fuck out of here. Yeah. I'll lose my license. Literally the only thing where you can fucking fudge ages on is if you've murdered someone and we want to punish you worse that's it it's fucking silly i really think that's silly yeah the word adult in our country

has a very specific definition and then we go in there and go i don't know they have things they have 11 year olds that charges an adult absolutely i've never seen an 11 year old who is anywhere near an adult. Have you? Never seen one on a golf course bitching about his kids and his wife. I've never seen one that's had a job or bills or knows anything beyond their room or house or anything else. You think an 11-year-old has consequences in their mind? Gee, I don't know.

In 20 years, that's such a long way away. They don't fucking know. They're 11. Let me call my son. He's 12, and we'll talk to him about his 401k. Yeah. And what he thinks about the investment future. The fucking kid's 11.

He believed Santa Claus was real like last year. Right. Which he is, kids. I'm just saying. But he believed in it. Some kids lose their belief. In case your kids are listening. We don't know.

My son will call me and be like, can I spend $10 on Xbox? And next time I'll be like, you're an adult. You're an adult. What are you, 12? Jesus Christ. If you killed me right now, you'd go to adult prison. So get a job, motherfucker. Click.

You'd have a new 40-year-old roommate. How? He's going to find you very attractive. So they decide that he will stand trial as an adult yeah uh they do call him an adult uh his size isn't helping him in that matter someone standing before you that big if they of course if he looked like one of those little teenagers they would have had a better chance here these uh being held in lieu of three hundred thousand dollars bail that's how they do it by weight by weight that's what it is yeah what he, about 240? That's adult to me.

This fat fuck's an adult. Let's just say that. It's set $250,000 on the charge of murder and $50,000 on the charge of arson for the July 6th fire that destroyed the house in the yard. Oh, they're getting him for that. They're getting him for that, too, because he admitted he did it.

So, yeah, they do that. They ruled that he should be tried as an adult, determining it was uncertain that he could be rehabilitated at a school for boys a defense psychiatrist testified that the rehabilitation was possible although he said hart had the emotions of a two or three year old and has trouble distinguishing right from wrong i don't know about that that seems a little far so there's like a stretch here so they're saying that he's developmentally disabled like extremely like noticeably doesn't know the difference between right and wrong is like pre-four years

old that's just a two or three year old so that's that's a stretch it's throwing peas at the wall and shitting in your pants that's whether it's real or not or true or not it's hard to look at someone who's a full-grown 240 pound adult and go he's like a two-year-old like no even though he might be in the brain it's that's people see things so um they said uh the they did argue earlier though the prosecutor argues that he showed enough sophistication try to cover up his crimes by putting clothes on his mother's body transporting it from the murder scene and then going back and cleaning up all the blood in the apartment before anybody came over. Because when their friend came over or the relative came over to look for her, she didn't

notice all blood everywhere. They had cleaned it up already. Troy helped clean it up. That was Troy's role in this whole thing. Dick. So, yeah. And he also cleaned the blood off the baseball bat and all that shit. Put it back where it was.

Jury selection comes around here. And weird thing. The wow. Brantford and Ulyss Stapleton, Lincoln County District Attorney here. OK. Lincoln County District Attorney asked potential jurors about the happiness of their childhood, whether they had a happy childhood or not. Yeah. Which does not have any. Ask the jurors that.

Because I guess are you if you were mad at your parents do you hold it maybe a grudge and then you'll think well maybe it's good he killed him maybe she was auditioning for an open mic she was cutting the fucking losers that's all it is so how's your childhood you're not funny you're not forget the fuck out of here they asked potential jurors about that whether they had been victims of any traumatic experiences and whether they would be swayed for or against either side by graphic photographs of a dead body. Basically, took all day to choose jury. Ten women and two men here.

The jury is going to begin soon here. So October 84, the store is reopening. Who's reopening it? This is the weirdest part of the whole fucking story. Really? No. This story I'm about to tell you quickly is the strangest thing out of all of this okay people who are opening opening it are michelle dempsey remember that name that's uh her daughter dorothy's daughter michelle dempsey and the real chunk and uh and the real no okay and deborah

dempsey now you would think that that would be her sister, right? No, not her sister. Same last name, though. Want to know why? Are they married? No, they're not. Let's do it here. Okay. Now, the two women, Michelle and Deborah Dempsey, and Deborah Kroll, who's another woman who's going to help run the store now.

Michelle Dempsey has two children. Deborah has three children. Kroll and the two Dempsies opened the store that week. It had been closed since Dorothy's dead, obviously. Now, Michelle is Dorothy's daughter. Okay. Dempsey and David Hart's half sister. She was the one she was sleeping in her trailer when all of this happened.

Michelle and Deborah are not related. Michelle and Deborah Dempsey are not related. What they were was married to the same man. Oh, get the fuck out of my life david dempsey oh by the way at the same time what oh by the way they didn't know about it oh my god they the okay and they're both divorced him or no that one's still with him they're both listen listen to this shit he fathered all of their to all the children in the two marriages they're fathered all the children with a range of fucking two years old to 10 years old five different kids and uh deborah crawl was once deborah dempsey's roommate that's where she comes into this but michelle dempsey

and deborah dempsey didn't fucking know each other existed in until 1983, December of 1983, when their husband, both of their husband there, committed suicide. He committed suicide while he was with Michelle in Richmond, California. And Deborah Dempsey said that this guy abandoned her five years earlier but never obtained a divorce. That's because he committed suicide. So she was living in Portland when that happened. She didn't even know no she didn't know they were not aware of each of each other and they couldn't they couldn't

believe that they were married to a fucking bigamist apparently they had the same last name so what do they do they decide to go into business together what the fuck so michelle says quote i saw pictures of deborah in his. He said it was his sister. For five years, I led a perfectly con life. He had pictures of both the women in his wallet and would just tell the one that the other one was his sister. Did he end it? Because he's like, I can't do it anymore. Can you imagine the stress of that?

This is unbelievable. How do you keep those plates spinning? Marriages and kids? This is fucking crazy. For five years, he did this. How do you keep those plates spinning? Marriages and kids? This is fucking crazy. The heck? For five years he did this. That is more unbelievable than a son killing his own mother. That's what I did.

I said, this is the craziest part of the whole fucking story. This is insane. How did that happen? So I led a perfectly con life, and she said she telephoned Deborah Dempsey, who she thought was his sister, after the suicide, and they ended up liking each other and feeling like sisters once they got to know each other i mean kind of legal it i mean sort of yeah we could move to utah and we'd be sisters it's fine so michelle returned to eddyville where she was living where her mother was killed and uh she first said she didn't want the store but then

she thought about her mother's you know how her mother loved it and she liked to provide for the children and make it a community center so she decided to reopen it as an added fuck you yeah both keep his last name they both keep his last name i was reading this i read this article 12 times because i'm like is this what did they just say that they didn't know of each other but then what the fuck is happening all the kids are brothers and sisters this is they are this is a fucking trip dude they're just running around and then michelle said that she didn't want to open the store at first because when she moved back her children were suffering cruel abuse from other children because of the murder they were picking on yeah so uh and your family's fucking weird then she said it was deborah dempsey and her three children

who are sort of yours as well in a weird way kind of they were the ones provided the support so they decided to open a business together which i don't know if there's ever been that situation in the history of the united can you sue her for child support right has there ever been a situation where a man married two women without them knowing about it kept it secret for years told them they were sisters blah blah blah he dies they find out about each other and then open a business together that's a lifetime show right that's like a lifetime movie or like a hulu show or you know two women on shark tank in 2007 cupcake shop no that's a net Netflix original show is what that is.

That's totally a Netflix original show. And they're going to run a little store. And there's weed involved. So to make it like, you know. Directed by Adam Sandler. Dude, totally. No, no, no. It's an all-woman.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a woman director. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, there's no penises allowed anywhere near this production whatsoever. But that's fine this is a amy schumer productions yeah this is well no we want it to be good so let's not do that let's give it back to kristin wigg or latina fey do it or something or somebody like that so anyway december 1984 is the arson trial uh this is the arson charge was filed on him when they arrested

him because he admitted it he says that his mother told him to burn it down he said he did it at the direction of his mother and his mother promised him half of the insurance proceeds if he did it that half would be five thousand dollars because it's ten thousand dollar policy on there she didn't give it therefore five grand to a homeless guy to kill ma exactly i. I'll give you half of my take. So by mid-December there, he's convicted of first-degree arson there. And so there's that. They're going to hold off sentencing and do it all at once if they convict him of the murder as well.

Got it. So 1985 in January, Troy Biggs is placed on five years probation for hindering prosecution. That's all he gets. Five years probation for moving a body into a car. And then cleaning up a murder scene. Wow. Knowing it was going on, doing nothing to try to stop it. Yeah.

And then doing that. He had access to a phone. Yeah. He could have called the cops. Obviously, that'd be a weird thing to do. But he. Does he testify against him? Is that a plea bargain?

What the fuck is that? Yeah. It's a sweetheart deal for for that uh it's for hindering prosecution and uh district judge also ordered him to pay 585 dollars wow uh do 200 hours of community service don't put community service on a murder thing because you couldn't give the there's no amount of community service that would be enough community service for this, so don't fucking do it. Just make it not.

Why even bother? And also to work toward a GED certificate is the other thing that he's got to do. Sounds like his dad made up the fucking punishment. That's what I mean. It sounds like if he does all this, he'll get a new car. That's what it sounds like.

That's exactly what it sounds like. Jesus. So he testifies that he helped heart later on and his thing he testifies he helped her move the body and clean up blood after she was beaten and strangled to death uh his lawyer biggs's lawyer tim armbruster wow he uh said biggs allowed heart to intimidate him he said quote troy biggs is a sheep in a lot of respects his own lawyer that said that um the prosecutor huckleberry said he would have he would have or the judge said i'm sorry judge's name is huckleberry by the way

he'll be your huckleberry he said he would have sentenced briggs to prison if the state had not recommended leniency because uh biggs helped in the murder investigation so he would have gotten to prison rightfully so then finally this murder trial comes up here. Okay, we'll get this down quick here. Murder trial comes along. They do the jury selection. Like I said, they're trying to say defense says he's an extremely emotionally disturbed teenager who has all these problems and was abused and everything like that. Prosecution is saying it is aggravated murder. It was a torture killing of his own mother

they couldn't have more opposite prisms on the crime basically here uh the the they want the defense wants manslaughter charges for it and the prosecution wants obviously murder fucking one basically so uh hart's lawyer contends he should be found guilty of manslaughter because of the emotional distress. He said that they open up the trial by they question teachers and they and Cook comes in. Basically, everything that we told you, those people testify in court to all that shit. So he is described by the school counselor as being in court as been again, not my fucking fucking words but they're trying to do it they call him quote academically retard an academically retarded youth uh yeah no shit i was terrible with and that that i don't think is in the medical term i think that's like to retard spoilage or

something like that to slow down something is what it was academically slowed youth i think that's the term they were trying to use there so anyway um they said that he was but also said he had a reservoir of rage that he can't control when he's under stress or influenced by drugs or alcohol they also said they heard that his parents punished him too hard too often and never and he never got any recognition for things that were good. A lot of people get, I mean, Jesus Christ. Fuck, man. I don't think like my grandmother ever gave any of her daughters a compliment ever. But if one of them walks in with five extra pounds to this day,

she'll be like, why are you so fat? Like, it's just, swear to God. Why are you so fat right now? We're talking about a 17-year-old that doesn't have a quote-unquote reservoir of rage. Oh, God. We're all furious. We don't know why. At 17, we're pissed.

We're horny. We're angry. We're fucking, you know, we want more than we can get. I want to jerk off, and there's always somebody around. Yeah, I want to stick it near somebody, and there's no one around. I want to not have to jerk off. Yeah, I do. There's always somebody around, and I can't just get this out.

You can't do anything. to not have to jerk off yeah i do always somebody around and i can't just can't do anything so uh dr george kajer he's a psychiatrist who examined heart uh right after the killings and again before the court proceedings here he said that he was suffering from a extreme emotional disturbance when he killed his mother he said that heart may be manic depressive bipolar nowadays and was given medication for that condition while in jail, which he's still using. This doctor also said he did not believe Hart tortured his mother even after they showed because they showed photos of the autopsy where she's covered in lumps and bruises. And this was like in my whole life. I've been angry and I'm going to take it all out at once on this thing right now on this person in front of me.

And I meant thing as far as a project not a person he did like uh kind of like on the wire when chris kills fucking uh kiss chris partlow kills chris uh michael's stepfather who used to molest michael is what they allude to when he was a kid and apparently that should happen to chris too because he just beats him to fucking death in the street. And I mean, fuck, it's one of the wildest beatings I've ever seen on screen. He just wails on this dude's face with his fucking fists until it's just nothing, nothing. And he's covered in sweat and blood and crazy shit. It's it's nuts. Snoop pulls him off of him and she's crazy.

So that tells you something. So, yeah, they said he interviewed Hart shortly after the arrest. And another doctor here, Sukow, also said that Hart had no unusual reason for killing his mother on that particular night, although his mother was reportedly nagging him just before he kicked her down the stairs. But nagging wasn't unusual. They also said Hart's attempt to dispose of his mother's body by putting it in her car and driving it off a cliff was inept but planned. This is the prosecutor's psychiatrist. And they said that her corpse being beaten up so bad is obviously showing his progression through this thing here. He said that another psychiatrist said they gave David a personality test and the court said it would need more tests to develop a detailed view of what appears to be severe psychological problems.

This doctor said that Hart is confused about what appropriate behavior is because he was severely punished at home for errant behavior. He describes Hart as an immature person who sees the world in very simple terms. heart is an immature person who sees the world in very simple terms okay um also says that he has a very comic theory a comic exterior hiding a great reservoir of anger they love the reservoir shit here it's a great garage band it's good reservoir of anger yeah that was that's uh an unreleased 80s fucking metallica song that's what he was listening to there. So anyway, our album prosecutor here, Judy Newman said that heart is more sophisticated than he seems that he tried to cover up the crime by putting clothes on his mother and obviously hide everything like that.

So in the closing statement, the, the, the defense attorney says that David tried to kill his mother quickly. That was what he wanted to do, but it didn't work. And then once you're halfway into it, there's really nothing else you can do but go all out. Yeah. So the prosecutor said that Hart tortured his mother instead with numerous kicks, blows to the hands and head with the baseball bat before strangling her to death.

He says, as far as torture goes, quote, it's not the wreck, but it's just as powerful. Well, that could be any murder then. Literally any murder could be considered. It's all outside of the realm of necessary. I mean, so but the defense insisted that David was emotionally disturbed because of his chaotic family life, which included numerous beatings by his stepfatherfather constant belittlement by his mother and also said that uh uh that it was set off that night when his mother told him that everybody would be better off if he were dead several troy said that she said that too and so did the sister everybody admitted that she told her son everybody be better off if you were

just dead oh my and then a little while later he killed her so hey yeah it's this is tough here so by the way your girlfriend's a whore and she's a whore right a whore she's the only girl goodly enough to have sex with you and she's a whore so uh the jury for the verdict here uh this was a one-week trial, and after four and a half hours of deliberation, they find him guilty of murder. Now, it's a compromise, the guilty verdict. It is in between aggravated murder and first-degree manslaughter. It's just regular murder. That's what they get him on here. So they go, yeah, we'll split the difference is what the jury does.

Yeah, so they did four and a half hours deliberation. Like I said, aggravated murder would have been punishable by a 30 year minimum life sentence. 30 years before parole and manslaughter is a little bit different here. Now, January 29th, 1985 is his sentencing. And this is for our murder and arson. This is for both here this is 12 days before his 18th birthday so that's

a bad birthday present here sentencing is you sir may fuck off it's five years for arson yeah that's going to be tacked on to whatever the murder charges and life for murder so they give him life which that's that's rough uh for a 17 year old

that's tough to hear so it gets somehow worse for david so i i looked it up and i'm like that is 35 years ago and even an aggravated murder 30 is the as much as you'd have to serve before parole so i'm like he's probably out by now. I looked, he's not. He's still in prison. Listen to this. May 29th, 2020, a few months ago, two months ago. It's in the media here. David has COVID in jail.

Oh, no. Yeah. He tested positive for COVID-19, and they're doing a federal investigation into the prison system with it. He testified before a federal judge saying that state prisons have been slow to respond to the pandemic. He's in the Oregon State Penitentiary for murder and arson. And he described a burning in his lungs and six and a half hours of coughing before he finally was prescribed an anti-inflammatory medication.

And he said, quote, they told us we'd be treated humanely. And he said, that's not the case. And he said that he had he was coughing all through his testimony to here. He had spreading it. And if it gets worse, this is even worse, too. If you're sick, this is why it spreads so bad in jail. you're sick you and you admit it yeah they put you in the hole oh they don't have a medical center for you they put you in in the hole like you just stabbed somebody right so you get put in the worst possible place so that's your punishment for being sick is to be put in

punishment right so no one wants to admit they're sick they're like fuck i'll give it to everybody but at least i'm not going to the fucking hole right so that's what it is so now he's stuck in the hole oh god uh there and uh he's one of seven at-risk inmates who filed a class action lawsuit against the oregon department of corrections and the governor uh the inmates are at four different prisons and because of their age or medical condition because he's a heavyset guy they are at higher risk of contracting the virus he tested positive on may 15th and uh weeks after two weeks after that nurses told him quote not to worry his dry cough was just allergies oh jesus fuck off they told him oh my god this is by the way you can't get any more coincidental i did not know the end of this when I picked this case out.

So I look it all up. Not only does he have COVID right now, which is highly relevant. He has been he's gotten through the parole process. He is set to be released Monday, Monday, the next week, next week, August 11th, 2020. He'll be released from prison unleashing that covid nightmare into the world well that was may hopefully he's recovered by now but yeah he's what are the fucking odds that we would pick a case yeah from 36 years ago that no one's ever heard this isn't it look it up there's not a lot of information on this case i have to go in

newspaper archives to find all this shit imagine that that we found to get out in four days all of that to find somebody who's going to be released in four fucking days what are the odds of that honestly that's amazing it's fucking incredible as i said this episode is meant to be yeah it'll either be one of our best or it'll get us in horrible trouble somehow someone will get offended by something and uh you know there'll be a petition i don't know either way that's that and it's fucking bonkers what a story yeah that's eddieville oregon and uh i didn't think it could get crazy or past the point of of eddie coming in talking about piano polish it didn't stop between the unknowing sister wives that's ridiculous and this and the and the covet and him getting out and the whole, it's fucking crazy. He's about to get out in four days with a class action lawsuit pending.

Yeah. I mean, maybe he'll get a few bucks out of it. I kind of hope he gets five grand. Anyway, when he does get out and get a phone, if he happens to get into podcasts, he's going to go, Jesus Christ. Because there's really, nobody's talked about this case at all. There's no other podcasts that have done this case as a lot of us, a lot of people oftentimes ask us to do like well-known cases.

And it's fun to do well-known cases, but we don't do cases that other big podcasts have done. That's the goal. Like if it's an if it's a podcast we've heard of all the time, if it's, you know, one of you guys know all the different true crime podcasts. If one of them have done it, then we don't like to do it just i don't know it just feels like it's hacky we're comics i mean sometimes we will because sometimes if it's like somebody did it but they only had a 45 minute episode obviously we're going to get deeper into it so find all

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Hey, congrats. You get the whole bird's nest or whatever the fuck your wife told me to say. Look at you, full bird. Full bird. Is that what it is? I don't know what that means. Does that mean you own the bird? Yes. You got the bird. From the asshole to the beak, it's all yours. It's all yours, pal. Diana Torres, Jane Patrizio, I said that, Lindsay

Easton, I think, Stephen Davis, not the running back. Jason Underwood. Ashley Ellis. Happy birthday, Meredith Moore. Krista DuPont. Audrey Marie. Todd Cochran.

Corey Officer. Alex Green. August Barney Arnson, I think. Anna Hiddens. Sandra with no last name. Lisa Love. Scott with no last name. What is this cory boone

william justice uh brian ropp brian not brian robinson chally with no last name jennifer with no last name christopher waugh or roy roy lisa atkinson erica pet singer uh jeremy barrow barrow Pet singer, Jeremy Barrow, Miranda Trump. No, Trump. I'm sorry. That was terrible. Sean Fuller, Alex Sensabaugh, Jason Thill or Till, Nick Giersbach, Rachel Garcia, Britt and Lou Garcia, Jason Covert, Hannah Mogut, I think, Mark Gilbert, Amelia Francesco, Eric Taro, Hayden D. Sweet.

I think that's what that is. Lauren with no last name. Pamela McMillan, Brand Grayheart. Oh, Gayheart. Jesus Christ. Callie Cochran, Mark Norton. Jesus, this is so easy. Lainey Vacant.

Yeah, Mark Norton's an easy one. Lainey Vacant, Vacat, Vicat, I don't know an easy one. Lainey Vecant. Vecat. Vicat. Vecat. I don't know. Angela Riley. Some shit. Niel. Thank you.

Niel Hewn. Nigel. It's probably Niel, right? Nigel? It's probably. Might be Nigel. Probably not. Becky Knox.

Ace Finch. Jolene Herbstritt. Jessica. You okay? Jessica Lawrence. Nolan Betterman. Nick. No, that's mark o'hare uh joy freeman kendall diamond or demoned thorsten gross home stretch god damn it casey barton julia pearson uh elm elm knits 76 uh nicole leslie lynn van heus or who's kelly mcgray melissa patrick Nicole Leslie, Lynn Van Hoose, Kelly McRae, Melissa Patrick Mox.

Mox, what did I do? Moss? I think it's Moss. Barb Barnes, Mina or Mina, Aslam, Aslama. Aslama? Are you, what? Rob Holberg, Celia Ehrlich, Elizabeth Hatting, Alexis Coleman. That's a different way of spelling Alexis.

It's like a porn star almost. That's a nice one. It's got a Y in it. Sandra Apodaca. No, maybe. Cameron Bromley. Kevin Benedetti. And Kevin, no, Kenneth Weld's daughter.

He's a driver. And Kevin Dates' daughter. I don't know why that matters. I don't know why I wrote it. I'm sorry. Matt with no last name. Kristen Gillette. Ashley Owens. Kyle elbert rob schnitzer carl dennis sarah furr matt dearden hill what rachel anson ah m would no last name no name just an m samuel chavez isley smith kira

would know last name taylon rose craig d Craig Duffel. Or Duffy. What? Sarah LaFrance. I think. Gina Durdurian. What? Durdurian. Durdurian. Susan Cassidy.

Shelly. All. What'd I do? Larry. Listen. And all of our patrons. You guys save our lives. Thank you.

Thank you, everybody, so much. Thank you, guys. Man, you guys save our lives. Thank you. Thank you, everybody, so much. Thank you, guys. Man, you guys are just unbelievable, and you keep us going. You keep us afloat. You guys know what you're doing. You're doing amazing work for us. Thank you. The show goes down the river because of you, so thank you. It really does.

It keeps floating on. You're the current and the boat. You are the cinder block pushing down our gas pedal, trying to shoot us off the side of a cliff. Thank you. COVID is the dug-in tires sitting on that differential. Tires not touching the ground. Not enough clearance under that car. Sucks, man.

So what if people wanted to get a hold of you and tell you whatever the hell they want to tell you? I'm reluctant to say because in four days a man gets out that may not enjoy this. Maybe you will. We were fair. You can find me on social media if you want. But listen, I root on you. I don't know. Shit.

You've paid your debt, I suppose. Where can I find you? You can find me at Jimmy P is funny and do that. I don't know. I don't know how I feel about that. I don't know how I even feel about that case. This story sucks. It's just a shit story.

It's a tragedy from front to end. I didn't want bad things to happen to him. I even feel about that case. This story sucks. It's just a, yeah, it's a shit story. It's a tragedy from front to end. Yep. Didn't want bad things to happen to him. Didn't want bad things to happen to her. It sucks. It's horrible. It's shit. So I'm going to hug my kids.

Let's do that. Everybody go hug your kids or your cat or your dog or your fucking parents or whoever you got around. Do you harm? Go hug it. Whoever's not diseased around you. Give him a hug. That's a good point.

Don't hug him. Don't hug everybody. Just look at him and be like, I wanted to hug you. Look at them warmly. I was going to hug you. Give them a hug. That's a good point. Don't hug them. Just look at them and be like, I wanted to hug you. Look at them warmly. I was going to hug you. And say, until next week, everybody.

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