Small Town Murder - #215 - The Creepy Corpse Snuggler - Lucedale, Mississippi

Episode Date: March 18, 2021

This week, in Lucedale, Mississippi, a most gruesome discovery is made in a rural motel room, leaving investigators many questions. These questions include 'who did this?' & 'how is this even physically possible?', plus the obvious, and intriguing question of 'why would someone do this?'. Once the suspect becomes obvious, things really get interesting, especially when the so called explanation comes out! Either way, it goes all the way to the Supreme Court to decide whether the culprit dies, or not! Along the way, we find out that the "good ole days" weren't always so good, that you shouldn't run away with people who just got out of prison, and that a motel nightstand can do more damage to a human body than anyone has ever imagined!! Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman New episodes every Thursday! Donate at: patreon.com/crimeinsports or go to paypal.com & use our email: [e-mail] Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder & Crime In Sports! Follow us on... twitter.com/@murdersmall facebook.com/smalltownpod instagram.com/smalltownmurder Also, check out James & Jimmie's other show, Crime In Sports! On iTunes, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts# See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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do that over at PayPal using our email address crimeinsports at gmail.com. That said, let's get into this, Jimmy. Let's do it. I think it's time to do the disclaimer. Let's do another show. We've got to do the disclaimer.

This is a comedy show. It is. It's a comedy show. Jokes are going to happen, and people will be murdered. That's the thing. Those are two things that we can guarantee you will happen on the show, jokes and murder. Now, what we don't do is we don't make fun of the victim or the victim's family. Yeah.

Cause we're assholes, but we're not scumbags. Jimmy, that's the deal. That's how it works here. Cause you know, that's, that's it.

There's a lot of crazy stuff that happens around murders. The idea I'm going to murder this person. That's bananas. It's crazy. Think about the thought process, the planning, then trying to get away with it. There's a lot to make fun of.

Are you out of your fucking mind? Yeah. What are you thinking? No, no no so that said i think if you think that you know true crime and comedy never go together then maybe we're not for you it's possible but if you you know want to give it a shot i think it's time to sit back and shout shut up and give me murder let's do this jimmy all right let's go on a trip, shall we? One more again. Let's do it.

I can't wait. This week, we are going all the way from Oklahoma, as we were. We did New York and then Oklahoma. And now we are heading down south again. Oh, boy. To a place we have not been in a while. No? Not been in a while.

Down to Mississippi. Oh, my God. It's been so long. We're going to Losedale, Mississippi. Losedale. Losedale. L-U-C-E-Dale. Oh my god. It's been so long. We're going to Loosedale, Mississippi. Loosedale. Loosedale. L-U-C-E Dale. Oh. Okay. Loosedale, Mississippi. It's about how they spell loose also.

That's what I mean. I didn't know, but that's the pronunciation. I looked it up and made sure. It's a town named after a guy named Dale. Well, we'll find out. You're close, actually. He's loose as shit. You're close, actually. That as shit you're close actually that's the thing all right this is southeastern mississippi down near alabama and all that down by the gulf it's this is sticky down there some some sticky territory we're talking about about 45 minutes

over to mobile alabama which is a sticky location that's a shithole too it's it's rough i hear that's yeah there's like an it's people like vacation there there's like a really yeah yeah gross it's like uh i've been it's a piece of shit oh i've seen like on uh what is it the the one of those house honor shows where they look for like quote beachfront shit yeah and there's like somebody buying a beachfront thing down there and it was just it was on stilts and it just looked terrible down there how dare you call that a beach and these people were like wealthy too and i'm like you have money buy go somewhere good but i guess they lived within driving distance i don't know what they were doing so it's about 45 minutes to mobile about two hours and 15 minutes to new orleans which is a whole other issue over that direction. And then about five hours up to Walnut, Mississippi, which was our last Mississippi episode.

Really? A long time ago. Episode 138. This is 215. This was the, remember the cookie monster? This is that guy. Yeah, the cookie monster guy. September of 2019.

Think about that. Holy shit. Think about that. Holy shit. Think about just the completely... That seems like the appropriate amount of time to not go back. I was going to say, if we actually physically had to go to Mississippi, that would be the amount of time we would take in between. This is in George County. Episode, Jesus Christ.

Area code, 601. It's about six and a half square miles, so it's a small town. What do you want? Motto of this town. And this is everywhere all over this town. It's on the sign. It's on the website of the town. Quote, where people and progress meet. OK. They're like, don't think of us as Mississippi, Mississippi. Where people. But there's another one also. This is more of like you have to kind of be there a while before you know this motto. They don't put this one on the sign. It's a quote. It's a little different, actually.

It's aggressive, honestly, being honest with you. Quote, where people in progress meet, but then people decide to string progress up from the nearest tree. That's a really, that's an aggressive motto. You know, you don't expect that very often. Losedale is the town in Mississippi that's trying the hardest? Is that what they're saying? That's what they're saying. They're trying here.

We're regretful, too. I mean, hey, we're sorry. That's what that says. That motto is basically, we're sorry for all the stuff that happened before. Our bad. If you can forget that stuff and just... Trying pretty hard around here yeah so the history of this town it was named for gregory marston loose that's his uh

that's his last name is loose l-u-c-e yeah who operated a lumber business there all right you know very important the lumberman is a guy yeah he's the guy he developed a uh george county here developed a small but significant manufacturing industry that produced transportation equipment. So that's kind of how this area. There's only 22,000 people in the county in this area. In the county. In the whole county. The whole place.

Yeah. This is not even the town. In George County, there's only 22,000 people. So this shit is rural, man. It's out there. So public administration was george's largest employer and then but there's a lot of uh a lot of like retail trade and shit like that going on like people work at the store that's where they work they either kind of it's

weird they work for kind of the county or the store they work down at the whatever uh agriculture also had uh some soybeans and some hogs down there, made up some workforce. But other than that, they're very concerned with litter down here. Litter. They don't like it, huh? I want to show you something, Jimmy. All right.

I can't wait to get this. Lousetail, litter-free. This is wild. I've got to turn the monitor. Sorry. Here you go. Litter-free. Litter-free begins with me.

Oh, they've got a little super kid. And he's a kid with uh he's got like cargo shorts pulled up to his nipples and a cape and he's next to a garbage can but the garbage isn't all in the can look over here jimmy's littering that's what i mean there's there's paper outside of the can when the wind blows that's going to be more litter so i don't know what the hell they're doing his bag's full too that's what i'm saying the kid's fucking up it's a bad thing so he's got a full bag rubber galoshes the kid's fucking up it's a bad thing so he's got a full bag rubber galoshes it's not gonna fit it's not gonna fit in that garbage can but it says

on the website this is like front page action here from the mayor and first lady first of all i didn't know the first lady or the first gentleman were were a mayoral thing as well i know it extended that far down the list her Got to give her credit where it's due. From the alderman and the first lady, like how far down the list does it go? Ask yourself, how can I get a clean start? That's what it says. And then it has five tips for that. Okay.

Number one, keep the area around your home slash business picked up every day. Well, that seems logical, right? Yeah, that seems like the first thing that I'm going to look for is around right in my vicinity. Yeah. Two, dedicate 30 minutes a week to picking up litter. Yeah. So you need to wedge out some time. I don't know if that's going to be five minutes a day.

I don't know if that's going to be 30 minutes all at once. We're not sure, but figure it out. Number three, this is the important one this is i swear the crisis is on their website make sure there's no loose trash in your pickup truck slash vehicle so they don't even you don't have a car it just assumes you have a pickup truck make make sure there ain't no trash in your pickup is what they said. How'd they spell loose? Is it L-U-C?

It is. Please use trash receptacles we've placed around town. Well, that seems logical. That's where it goes. And remember, littering inside the city limits carries a $500 fine. That's a lot. Tired of talking trash? Who are you going to call?

Losedale Litter Busters at 601-508-6042. It's time to clean up our act. How filthy is this town? They're going hard on the trash collection. And they're putting it on me. Don't you have fucking trash guys? Screw the trash guys. This is all about everybody here.

This is your job. It is all about everybody here. It's your job. It's that child's job. You get a cape on your kid and you send him out there. Pick up some shit for 30 minutes. Now, reviews of this town. I'll give the five-star review that's here. There's a few of them, so I'll give you one.

One better be it's fucking clean. Spotless town. The lack of litter here is remarkable we're all very excited my son if one fucking person says this town is dirty i've had enough the mayor and the first lady issued my son a cape and we're all very thrilled with it so five stars loosdale mississippi is a small town with great people the residents residents of Losedale are all so hospitable. Teachers and other school district staff are so caring and helpful. All exclamation points, by the way. They just love this place.

Losedale is a great place to raise a family. One thing I'd like to see more of is things to do, such as a bowling alley, laser tag, etc. Why are you so bored? Go pick up trash. That's what I mean. From what I understand, there's trash to be picked up. Get your shit together.

Get your kids out there and pick the trash up. That's what you do around this town. I'm stunned by the trash picking up campaign. It's on the front page of the website. That's like, this is all we care about. Number one, the litter. Now let's get to the water after that and the sewage. So here's three stars. This is average. and the sewage and so here's three town three

stars this is average and the rest of these are all going to be three star reviews uh small town that is pretty safe the best part of louisdale is how everybody knows everybody the only negative thing is how since it's smalls that's what they said since it's smalls there isn't much to do besides eat and shop all right well i mean what else do you do in life but eat and shop that's what everybody does right you eat you shop you go over there you eat some more because you're tired from shopping and that's life being an american that's i was gonna say you just described america sir three stars i've learned to love my hometown that's never a good start i've learned to love it uh however however growing up in loosdale there

were a lot of areas for growth in the past few years it has grown and expanded but there's still a lot of ignorance and rednecks well yeah that's i mean yeah what's your address homie that's i feel check your zip code again my friend yeah i'm not and by the way don't be pissed off, Mississippi or South. And if you are pissed off, I direct you to episode 213 from Fishkill, New York. And you are 10 times more brutal than I ever am to you. So I don't want to hear any shit anymore for that. You take it on the chin just like everybody else. Just like everybody.

And we're not even picking the low-hanging fruit with hillbillies. You're doing it. Your reviews are that you're tired of all the hillbillies that's what you said ignorance and rednecks i didn't say that this is a review of the goddamn town from someone who grew up there i feel like education in louisdale has a lot of quality teachers but is not prioritized there isn't a whole lot of activities for children and youth to keep them mentally and physically active all in all it's a small town and while i like that there's also a lot of ways in which we are behind because of this.

Here's another three-star. It's a small town where everybody knows everyone. Everybody knows everyone because that's every review. That's a fact. Good town for a family and raising small children. Losedale overall has a good district, a good school district with great schools. It has great football, baseball, and softball program for your athletic children. The rest of you can fuck off, but if you have any athletic kids in your house.

The business owner are okay for the most part. One guy owns everything. The business owner are okay. He okay. He okay, Jimmy. It is not very – oh, let's see. It is great to bank there because you develop a relationship with them. I've never heard a positive review of a town referencing the bank before.

That's weird. Um, it is not very exciting and there's not much to do in Losedale. So you would have to drive about 45 minutes to an hour to enjoy entertainment. Right. Well, that's fair. And then it just says this is, it is your exact idea of a small town quiet and friendly that being said i'm also white so that has some hand in my experience everyone knows everyone in the town and yet i've met uh yet to meet an openly rude person

okay all right so there you go someone i like that he's very upfront and honest though i'm white so you know things good for me my favor. Good for me. I don't know. Probably worse if you're black. I'm not sure. That was cool as shit. I mean, at least he's honest about the whole thing. People of this town, population 3,007.

So it's pretty small. It's a small town. And this is the county seat, too. Really? Yeah. Up 16% since 1990. So people have been coming here. Male males way outnumbered 53 to 47 in male and female. So really, it's way out of whack here.

I don't know what the hell's going on. Maybe I know construction is the main job. So that might be a reason why a lot of kids 10 to 14 years old and a lot of people 25 to 34 years old. So that tells you that people are having kids when they're 15 that's what that tells you here because those now those two demographics are like equal so i feel like those one is begatting the other and that's how that's working so uh yeah uh let's see married population is lower it's only 43 percent here so it's not it sounds all like it's a little family town but then it doesn't have the normal family town kind of stats.

You know what I mean? Come here, raise a family and don't have one. Don't have one though. Don't get married. At least a single with no children is actually higher than normal. The here race of this town, it's 71% white, which is a little over the 62% average in the rest of the country, 25.4% black in the town. So, I mean, that's twice as much as average.

1.1% Asian. 2.3% Hispanic. So that is very low. Normally 17.5%. 52% of the people here are religious. So that's lower than we get with a lot of these southern towns. But there's a lot of young people here, so that might be a reason why. And the Baptist is obviously the 32% Baptist, because Baptists are the Catholics of the South, as we know from experience.

0.0% Jewish, not surprisingly here. 0.0% Islam. 0.0% Jewish, not surprisingly here. 0.0% Islam. Politically, last election, George County, 10% of the people voted Democrat, 88% voted Republican. So it's pretty – that's a – That's heavy as shit. That is really one-sided. Yeah, that's a lot.

Unemployment rate here is 8%. And this is not like with the- That's pre-COVID stuff. Yeah, the rest of the country being 3.7%. Yeah, that's high as shit. That's more than double the rest of the country. Not great. Median household income, also not wonderful.

$40,078 is the median household. Normally, it's about $57,500. Construction is the main job. A lot of people make under $30,000 a year in this town, too. So it's kind of tough going down here, too. I saw the real estate prices are depreciating down there also. It's not going well. About cost of living, $100,000 being regular average.

Here it's about $86,000, which is kind of high with the rest of the factors in there. Housing is a 61, so that's a little lower. Median home cost $141,200, which is low, but if you make $28,000 a year, that's still pretty tough to do. It's hard to get a piece of the American pie or an American dream with that kind of yeah difficulty staring you right in the face yeah you need sleep to dream that's the thing if you and then in your money sleep is money you don't even have a boogeyman chasing you it's just a bill collector no that's the thing in america's uh united states if you're outside of the country one thing about this country and it's funny we'll talk about it in the patreon bonus episode about the Hotel Cecil. But the one thing they talked to that British couple who came over and they're like, we saw it was a good price and it was a good location.

And I'm like, one thing people don't understand in the rest of the world is here you and you'll you'll be like, oh, it's like that everywhere. It's it's a different thing here. Here you absolutely get what you fucking pay for. And if you pay less than you should, you get murdered. That's what I mean by that. That's why it's a more extreme thing in America. If you think you're getting a bargain, that means you're 100% be assaulted in a bathroom or something. It's going to happen.

I saw a BuzzFeed article about 23 things that people around the world didn't know about that was that they thought was crazy about America. Then they came here and they found out it's fucking real. And like prices was one, obviously, education prices and then travel and shit like that. But then the other thing was we have angry, angry sinks that chop shit. They don't have garbage disposals? Evidently, that's not a thing anywhere else. Or at least wherever that person's fucking from.

Yeah, wherever this was, that's hilarious. Angry sinks that chop shit. Loudly. Exact words. That's hilarious. I don't know if there's any garbage disposals in this town because the houses aren't worth much. 55% of the houses are worth under $100,000 here. Yeah.

You're lucky you got electricity. That's what I mean. You're lucky that there's a roof that's capable of keeping rain out and nothing else. So if this sounds like something that you need to be a part of, obviously. This is your slice of heaven. Nothing else could make you happy than we have for you, the Losedale, Mississippi Real Estate Report. Your average two-bedroom rental here goes for about $670, which is almost half of the national average, which makes sense, I guess. I found a two-bedroom, one-bath, 768-square-foot house.

It's like a tiny house on Tiny House Hunters, but it's right on a lake. I mean, when I say right, I mean the porch is 10 feet from the water. It's like, yeah, if it rains hard, you're going to be, it's flooded. It's that kind of place. You can't get in that water, right? I wouldn't. I'm sure it's full of poisonous snakes. I mean, it's, I figure when you get in there, you just be engulfed and wrapped in leeches

and snakes. It's Mississippi water, man. I imagine it's like when they woke up in the boat in Great Outdoors, just leeches everywhere. I was going to say like, it was like platoon when they're like trudging boat in great outdoors just leeches everywhere i was gonna say like uh it was like platoon when they're like plunging through the trudging through the vietnamese swamps and like coming up with leeches and snakes um but it's fifty thousand dollars so well it's a good like weekend if someone had like a weekend fishing house or some shit right i don't know if that's i'd love to have something like that. That would be awesome. I found a two-bedroom, one-bath,

so same amount of there, but 1,560 square foot. So a nice starter family home. Decent enough. New appliances in there. Still have the stickers on them and everything, so that's nice. $85,900.

So it's the bones of a decent house that you can fit a family in, and so that's good. $85,000, $86,000, not bad. Then I found a four-bedroom. You're the king of the lumberyard. A four-bedroom, four-bath, T-bowl for every b-hole, 3,657 square foot. Very nice.

It's a big house. Very nice. Laid out. It's brick. It has like a green copper roof. It's cool looking. It's in a classy way, though. Yeah, in a big house. Very nice. Laid out. It's brick. It has like a green copper roof. It's cool looking. It's in a classy way, though. Yeah, in a classy way.

Not like it's rotted. Not that it's a problem. Yeah, like Statue of Liberty green. Right. Big, nice property. $365,000 for this. Okay. I mean, that's a deal.

That's not bad. You've got a 4,000 square foot house. You don't get those for under 300 grand. And brick and on a big property in Phoenix, that house is, I don't know, $1.4 million probably at least. So not bad there for that. Things to do here. Oh, boy.

Yeah, these are my fave. Let's get it on, Jimmy. Things to do. I found the good old days festival good ol o l o l e good oh look at this like that the good old days festival um yes uh this is man i found an article about the first one yeah and it's uh they talk about jack jack is a banta a red bantam rooster who who was judged at this year's contest quote prettiest rooster not prettiest purdiest p-u-r-d-i-e-s prettiest rooster oh dear christ prettiest uh at the inaugural Good Old Days Festival.

They talk about how Jack almost never hatched. Oh, what happened? I quote from the article. This is I couldn't make this up. I don't know this language. Quote, That's because his mama was a rescue bitty nurtured back to health after being abandoned by its mother. Quote, No one thought the bitty was going to make it said denise watts of the bexley community but the kids said let's give it a chance so we prayed over it

sang over it and it turned into a fine hen i'm not shitting you this is something that was in a fucking publication they blessed a hen she grew up to lay, and Jack became the purdiest rooster. That's what I mean. Earlier today, the kids posed proudly with a docile Jack and the plaque proclaiming him purdiest. This brings me a lot of joy right now. He's just the purdiest damn thing you ever did see. I really wish my life was so stress-free. That is unbelievable.

What a great life. You've got time. You've got so much time. When you can sit around to look for the purtiest rooster. He's purtiest. Then they talk about the festival. True to its name, the event harkened back to the good old days, which displays such as a horse drawn wagons and vintage tractors. All right.

Yeah. We always have this problem with places where the good old days were kind of bad. It's like, let's not. No, let's not. You know, it is nice that they're talking about that farm equipment, though. Yeah, that's better. Yeah. Actual fucking mechanical.

So they said it's a fun learning experience for the kids. The mother of the hen raiser there, she said, quote, about her daughter, she's a big Little House on the Prairie fan. This was in 2012. Where the fuck do you even find that to watch in 2012? And this gives her a chance to see sort of how it was like back then yeah sort of that's a very important word kind of you know we shield her a smidge yeah it's a little bit sheltered it wasn't all just purtious roosters back then everybody let's be honest here so uh john deers and roosters as far as the i could see that's all it was parties can be i found also a festival called women come and go which i was like what's that about yeah my

kind of place and i found out it's a it's a baptist church thing and i'm like ah boo no one cares there is no coming and all going that's all that is oh man i was like women come and go yeah i thought they'd was i thought it was like one of those uh where you know where women get together and sell each other vibrators and shit i thought it was one of those yeah i thought it was one of those imagine if you gathered your friends together and be like check out this fucking pocket pussy now you're gonna we would never do that ever i don't want you to see the weird shit that i fuck james ever like this one will tickle this one it tickles your ass too well it's perfect you're

gonna love it it's a it's a kind of extra extra pulsing clit mechanism followed they're unbelievable yeah so much so that i've seen it to where somebody has posted one of those goofy fucking sex toys in one of the groups about this show. And women are commenting, doesn't work that great. Wait, what? That's what I'm saying, dude. I was disappointed. Why are you telling us this? What are we doing?

Like I said, imagine a guy posted that. I bought this fleshlight. I fucked it pretty good. But, I mean, I don't know. It just wasn't the best. And other guys are like, I know. How dare they call this flesh? It's more like a gel mold.

It's not real great. No. We're just dark in a corner. I want nobody to see it. I want so few people to see it, I shut the lights off and close my own eyes. I don't want anybody seeing when I fuck. No. No.

No. It's not good. This is not hot. This is fucking, this is depraved and weird. That's what this is. That's how we feel. I recognize it. Why can't you all?

No, they're embracing it, which I mean, good for you. I wish we didn't find ourselves so gross. I'm happy that you don't find yourselves gross. Good for you. Yeah, congrats. I mean, yeah, you're right. What the hell? It is hotter.

That is true, too. Oh, yeah. It's much hotter. I have to do this. You know, it's like the Demogorgon eating somebody in The Stranger Things. It's like, it looks back like all embarrassed, kind of like, man, what are you looking at? I got to do this. I need to do this.

Whereas like a woman, it's like she'll like light candles and shit. It's a different scenario. They're like, this is beautiful. And we're like man the you know the act of it is it's different because like a dude is like jamming it into something or using his hands and like holding it with two or whatever okay whatever it is that we're jamming this thing into it's just much hotter to see it somebody jamming it into them i get it yeah i just don't get it i know exactly so crime rate in this town yeah besides this conversation we've just

sounded like animals ourselves yeah well that's what i mean property crime in this town is actually slightly above the national average which kind is kind of unexpected, I guess, everyone's saying how clean and safe it is. I mean, maybe they consider picking up litter stealing. I'm not sure. I don't know. I was using that. That's my ramp. I was just keeping it on the ground.

Violent crime, murder, rape, robbery, and, of course, assault, the Mount Rushmore of crime, is about 20% below the national average. So safe that way, but apparently people are stealing each other's shit i'm not sure that's wild um speaking of crime let us talk about a murder jimmy all right let's do this here um it's all a light-hearted nightmare on our podcast

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Yeah. Next week's is like he is crazy with a capital C and a capital R and a capital A and a capital Z and a capital Y. One more letter. He's fucking crazy. Yeah. It's wild. And this is no exception this week either so okay let's go back in time not too far when we go back to this 2004 we're going back to so everybody's got cell phones and you know life is pretty much the same as now without social

media basically that's the only difference except for myspace but it's not on your phone so it doesn't matter it's a different thing otherwise yeah you're still life is not that different 2004 uh this is in uh in louisdale mississippi the rocky creek inn which i know is still open because on the good old days festival on their site it lists that as one of the four hotels in the area which are good good idea to stay if you're going to be an exhibitor there. If you're going to compete for Pertius Rooster, come on down to Rocky Creek Inn. So this is the Rocky Creek Inn, room 121, August 27, 2004. Okay.

August 27th, 2004. Okay. 911 is called when the housekeeping notices some fire damage to a wall in room 121 from the outside. So they notice some fire damage, which is odd. So they call 911, and George County Sheriff Gary Welford responds to this 911 call. He walks in the room, opens the door. I don't know why the sheriff responded to a fire call, but I suppose it's emergency personnel probably in a small town. It's whoever's closest probably goes to assist, I would assume, right? Anybody trained in CPR, come on by.

That's what i'm saying probably one of those things goes out over the radio whoever's close probably there's not a lot going on too so if you're like oh shit i'll go take a look at it so he pops up and when he walks in the room he says quote i saw two feet sticking beyond the ends of the beds and would appear to be body organs thrown about the room oh dear lord that's that's his impression of things body organs uh many just strewn about the room it'll be said later on like like just casually tossed about like you know don't need that the cavity was opened what is that a liver don't need that and toss that over there uh yeah organs't need that. Toss that over there. Yeah, organs. Think about that.

So that's picking individual things out and dispersing them. There's a comedian, I forget who he is, who enjoys framing all the bed sheets. He'll buy shoes and wrap them into the sheets and leave it on the bed so it looks like there's a corpse on the bed. He enjoys that stuff. But I don't think he's gone as far as uh getting the organs of something go to buy like intestines and a tongue and leave it about the room a liver that's a great idea that's you will freak some you'll definitely ruin some poor housekeeper's day we'll put it that way leave a nice tip if you're gonna do that absolutely leave like 50 bucks there because they're gonna they're gonna need to buy like a

bottle of booze on the way home to recover from that shit so please it feels like that's owen benjamin who does that it might be uh gary owen somebody with owen in their name we're not sure it's an owen owen wilson possibly we're not positive of who it is uh maybe owen hart did it before he died we're not sure maybe david bowie i't know. I feel like it's just an O and a W. There's an O in there somewhere. So, yeah, this is obviously a horrible scene to walk into. Unbelievable. I've never walked into a room and saw organs, quote, strewn about. That's never happened to me.

So an absolute horror scene at the Rocky Creek Inn in room 121. So let's go back in time a little bit here from there. That's August 27th. Let's go back to the beginning of the month. Let's go back to August 1st. We'll catch up with a few people here and see what happens. Still 2004. Still 2004, just the beginning of the month.

Going back to August. Brandi Stewart Yates, let's talk about here. Stewart is her maiden name. Yates is her married name. She's 20. 20 yeah married girl 29 years old she is she's from Theodore Alabama that's where she kind of grew up

and she lives she's a she's married like we said she's married to a man named James Yates Jr. Jolly's Jr. is never a good sign but we'll reserve judgment we'll reserve judgment for now we don't know um just in in our experience from crime and sports never good uh they've been married for eight years so she's married young you know mississippi style i guess i don't know

married young i guess anybody's style jesus christ sometimes you marry young sometimes you don't they have two small children as well at this point. So she wasn't like, they didn't have a kid and then get married. So this is from there. She has a job. She's a working woman. She works at the Bama Barn. Yeah. Which is a bar in Theodore.

In Mississippi. No, no, in Alabama. Oh, okay. This is in Theodore, Alabama. Got it, okay. She works at the B this is in theodore alabama that's got it okay uh she works at the bamma barn in theodore so uh she's a cocktail waitress and uh that's what she does at night and she's got so married two small kids cock this is like uh if sandra bullock wanted an oscar she'd

do this as a role you know what i mean she's got like a troubled marriage you know like this is like when a rom-com actress wants an oscar they're like get me something where i'm i don't have all my makeup on all the time get me something where i like go to the piggly wiggly or wherever the fuck these people go like without makeup and my hair in a ponytail with that one piece sticking out in the front you know that means like i'm just like a fucking normal person get me that role i want to draw where i have a button-up t-shirt and it's tied in the middle and the first six buttons are undone i wear a sports bra and show my tits and my hair's a mess and make i want to drive a hyundai can you make me i have heard that those are shitty can i drive one of those i feel like yeah

can i have a hyundai i'm gonna go shopping at famous footwear is that where they go that's i feel like snarky comments to say to the love interest leading man who just takes my shit for no reason oh no this is the oscar role it's a different thing this is a this is their oscar role this is uh you know they takes the shit because he's in love with her that's why this is like uh they have to take care of their sick mother oh you sick mother, move back home to take care of their sick mother, or their husband's abusive and they have to make a new life with the kids. It's that role. We know the one.

She has to get a job at a terrible place where she's, you know, whatever. She's like Winona Ryder in Stranger Things. There's another Stranger Things. That's what they're going for here. A little more serious blindside role. No jokes. No jokes. This is all dead ass serious.

We're changing the world. That's what they're going for here. So the marriage with James has had some problems over the years. As a lot of young people get married young will have problems. They've had a lot of fights. I guess one of them moved out at one point uh the in 2003 and then came back so they reconciled which again is normal goings on with a relationship like that um they've they've had some as we'll talk about a little bit later they've had

some some a couple incidents where the police were called while they were fighting. So, you know what I mean? It's kind of a... It's rocky. It's been rocky a little bit the last couple years. And, you know, marriages where you have kids, and I'm not saying any kind of physical stuff that happened is understandable, but the rest of problems are understandable. Sure. You get married when you're 21 and you have a couple of kids, You're going to it's not going to go smooth the whole time.

There's going to be. I got married at 28. We had two kids. And while she was pregnant with the first one, we had an argument so bad I drove my truck down the street with her honking her horn behind me. That's what I mean. You're going to end up getting in an accident with each other and cost money. Not good. That's the type of shit that happens even if you

wait till you're 28 right wait till you're 40 that's when you're mature enough to do this shit that's that's the thing here so but it's nothing every problem they've had they've kind of reconciled from like you know the cops came not a big deal uh you know they they they didn't you know uh they didn't break up from that somebody somebody uh you know left and came back and they came back and it was fine so one of those things so you know just a shaky relationship but it gets a little bit more shaky around august 1st 2004 she apparently meets a man at work at the bama barn oh boy and they apparently hit it off like hardcore because out of nowhere everybody said it escalates very very quickly out of nowhere

on august 1st 2004 she takes off with him to travel quote travel around she's left she just takes off with a guy from the bar with the guy that ordered a corona that's it i don't know there's no no indication that they've like had a long ongoing thing yeah it's almost like you know he came in one night they got friendly and he was like well i'm taking off you want to come with me and she was like hell yeah and hopped in the car at that with a cloud of dust behind him that's kind of the impression we get yeah we don't know if they had had something going on for a couple weeks it just was very well hidden or what but it appears to be it was just like uh you won't blow this town sure and then she hopped into top of the

convertible and they peeled off like that's what it feels like happened here. Now, who did she run off with? Let's find out a little about him. His name is Joseph Bishop Goff. G-O-F-F, Goff. Back to the Rams. Exactly. Same guy, except Joseph.

Joseph Goff. He's born in 1976, so they're about the same age. couple of almost they're both 29 at this point 28 29 he uh has a little different background than her she's just been you know working to help support two children and a family and that sort of thing he's fresh out of prison oh okay i was gonna say rich as shit i'm guessing no no uh family, though, his family is not, they don't seem to be destitute, as we'll find out later on. His mom gives him money and then does another financial thing later on. So it seems like his family has some sort of financial stability. But he did go to prison and just got out of prison for shooting someone.

So, yeah, it's not a nice thing here. No. It's a dangerous man he didn't kill them but he shot at somebody and then shot like at a vehicle there was a couple of different he was shooting he was bucking off there was an attempted murder charge in there at some point yes he ended up i think uh it was like a plea for assault with a with a deadly weapon and discharging a firearm and a building and endangering people and all this type of shit. But it was attempt murder.

He definitely tried to kill someone, it seems like, I would say. That wasn't shooting Mike Mike in his hind parts. That was going far. Yeah, he was enough to where he had to go to prison for it. So that's far. That's a far stretch. Lots of problems over the years. Lots of problems. I would say it starts right from the beginning his parents apparently are related in some way shape or form um not sure exactly which

but uh we'll put it this way the courts will later on call him a quote child of incest gross i was i had i actually wrote i never write anything like this but i actually wrote down after that quote which sounds even grosser than it does it actually does i don't know why but that just verbalize it it sounds like if you just say your parents are related you're like oh that sucks but your cousin fucker it's not it doesn't child of incest sounds like somebody crept into a room late at night that someone else was sleeping in and nothing was voluntary that's what that sounds like incest while no more nefarious than two related people fucking it really sounds like it's an aggressive action of one one person being a victim that's what that's you know it sounds like so oh boy uh yeah so that's who she's with

a child of incest that she's on the run with who just got out of who's fresh out of prison for a shooting and so they mother and she's a mother of two now she she they couldn't have been messing around for too long because he's like pretty fresh out of the joint so really it's yeah i don't know if you know he talked to her while he was in jail she was looking for a pen pal i I have no clue what happened here. Either way, or he's got game, one of the two. Got to be just smooth, right? If you can walk in fresh out of prison to the Bama barn and get the waitress, a married waitress with two small kids at home to fucking go on the run with you and go travel around, got game like still smelling like shower shoes steel

and concrete yeah he's he's still got his prison issue pants on you know what i mean like he borrowed a who farted shirt from the guy next to him on the bar but he still got the pants on i'm wearing pants that say parolee down the leg yeah it's not good property of it starts with that's a bad thing so uh august 2nd the next day because she doesn't come home from work that night obviously her husband is worried clearly i mean you know doesn't come home from work at a bar at night you're going to be concerned by that so august 2nd she calls her husband james and informs him that she was she's unhappy she's met someone else and left with him and she's not coming home it's it peace james i'm out goodbye i'm out motherfucker yeah so she that's it she

calls and she's gone um james is obviously devastated the kids are devastated he's got to turn to his kids now and go mom's not coming home where is she well that's a longer story to his kids now and go mom's not coming home where is she well that's a longer story like she calls and tells you yeah so more than three weeks go by where they're just out around traveling about so she spends three weeks with with joseph uh goff here yeah and then we catch back up with them on august 26th 2004 very little is known about what their goings on were between them, them and them. For three weeks. For three weeks. But this is in Losedale, so it's only 45 minutes an hour away from where they started.

Yeah, would they walk? I don't know if they traveled and made a couple of figure eights in a loop and ended up back or what the fuck here. But they're back in Losedale on August 26th 2004, at 3.53 p.m., very specific, Brandy checks into a room at the Rocky Creek Inn in Losedale. I've heard it's nice. I hear it's beautiful this time of year if you're going to the good old days fest. If you're competing for prettiest rooster, the only place to go. I would avoid room 121 though from what i hear i'm

not positive but i would have although the carpet is probably newer than most um i don't think you won't be there so room 121 uh brandy checks into all right that's he's she's got goth with him so her and joseph check in uh pearl bulware is working the front desk at the motel when Brandy checks in. I guess Brandy completed the registration form. She provides her driver's license, and they photocopy the driver's license and all that shit that you do sometimes. Right. And Boulware says that she gives Brandy one key, one room key, even though there there's two people which give two if there's two people yes hotel employees uh because we travel a lot when we're on the road and we're often asked

do you want one key or two uh i always want two anyway because i might lose one but if there's two people definitely two probably you don't have to ask it's a it's a plastic card who do you care it's not just give us two if there's an extra one who gives a shit we think we're gonna go oh i only wanted one take this back yeah i'm gonna give you a bad yelp review now because you gave me two keys give me two keys you're staring in the face of a man who likes to drink a lot and i'm gonna lose this yeah i'm losing one of these keys. I need two. And that's what I'll do.

I'll put one in like my coat pocket. So I always have that when I'm out. And then I'll have one in like my pants pocket in case I drop it. If you're worried about your business losing money via all of the room keys that your guests are losing, charge me an extra dollar tonight. I don't care. I don't care. Exactly. Tack it on. care i don't yeah exactly put tack it on put it in whatever hospitality fee bullshit that's buried that's buried in the between the 69.99 price and the 186 dollars that i finally pay whatever that

is in there throw the dollar on top of it and i don't really give a shit i'll do it your key is a plastic piece of laminate shit yeah that just has your your company name on it anyway it's not a hundred thousand of in the storeroom by the way what are you kidding me it's like keeping track of the straws in a restaurant you know throw an extra straw in the goddamn bag right fuck so all right so they check into the motel and they get back into the car, and they drive over to room 121. As a lot of these, you do that in a hotel. You check in, and then you drive to where the closest entrance to your room is. So later in the day, apparently there's an altercation between Brandy and Goff over the course of the day.

So some kind of altercation. During this, Joseph Goff leaves the motel in a huff. He's had enough. He's angry at her. He's had enough. And he gets in the car and drives to Mobile, Alabama, where he meets a woman there named Melissa. Yeah. Now, Melissa will later describe herself as his girlfriend.

But we don't know what i his universe of relationships is i mean it starts right with the child of incest we it's just the whole thing is very nebulous and we don't know what the hell's going on here so uh he meets her uh there and we'll find out what happens with them uh but brandy back at the room he left and just left her there she is pissed off now she's not happy anymore yeah she's her knight in shining armor who took her away from everything is now disappeared so she's upset um so throughout the day on or the evening of the 26th brandy speaks on the phone with her tele on the telephone with her husband numerous times brandy apparently doesn't have a cell phone by the way which is strange for 2004 yeah most people

had a phone in 2004 especially if 99 uh was the first phone i bought and i've never been without one since yeah by 04 man i didn't know many people who didn't have phones. That Nokia with the faceplate that you could change changed the game. That's when everybody had one, and it hasn't stopped since. You could even get a shitty cricket phone back then for $20 a month. You could get some... Everyone had a phone of some kind at that point, but apparently Brandy does not have one, because she's speaking to James exclusively over the motel phone, sitting on the dresser there. So on the nightstand. So she spoke to him several times. She first called him collect, by the way. I don't know. I guess it's well, it's makes sense, though. Yeah. Put it on the home bill room.

Yeah. Between 630 and 730 p.m. And James Yates, her husband, said that he spoke to his wife several times that evening. Later on, he'll say this, and she told him that, she had told him on the phone that Goff had slapped her and then left the motel. You motherfucker.

So that's what she's saying. She's not happy, obviously. James will later say, quote, this is her husband, she was highly upset. She was crying is her husband. She was highly upset. She was crying over the phone. She was upset because she hadn't seen the kids and she wanted to see them. So that's James' story here.

Also, she got hit. And she got hit. And her guy ran off. And she kind of ruined her life. And, you know, there's a lot of reasons to cry in her situation. You know, there really is. I think getting hit would be first at the top, but down from there. During this conversation, the first one lasted about an hour.

Collect, that's going to cost you. Holy shit. Brandy told, like I said, this was about the jaw getting slapped and dropped and him taken off. She said she was afraid he was going to hurt her and all this sort of shit so james is pissed now he wants some as you might imagine not only is this guy come and you know sweet talk my wife into taking off with him but now now he's beating the shit out of her in a hotel room you steal my wife then you hit my wife yes and we dare you by the way we had a couple people at one point when we just used the phrase quote steal my wife or they were like you know your wife isn't property blah blah blah we know that that's not the fact the fact is it's kind of a term right when saying women say all the time she stole my man didn't

actually break into his house and steal him it's just a fucking and he she doesn't own him either but it's just a phrase that people say in society. Don't bark at me. Bark at Pitbull. People don't own people, okay? It's just a way that it works. We get it. So I don't want to see a tweet about that. But that's what he would be thinking sitting there. He lives in a goddamn trailer waiting for his wife to come home from the fucking Bama barn.

He's thinking, that motherfucker stole my goddamn wife. I'm going to kill him. That's what he's thinking. And then he hit her. And then he hit her, goddammit. now i'm the only one that does that well only the one that we only have any incident we only have uh thought that had happened once with that one incident so other than that we can't say that he beat her up or anything but he hit her once at least that's allegedly we don't know so um now the second call, which was about an hour after the first call, ended abruptly due to a knock on Brandy's door.

So there's a knock on the door, and then they had to hang up real fast. The third call lasted about an hour, and that was a little after the second call. So there was a knock at the door, hung up, and then they got got back in touch with each other a few minutes later talked for about an hour so then the third call happens uh during the third call here uh um james and makes plans to pick her up early in the morning on the 27th he says i'm gonna come down there and get you early tomorrow morning so be ready for me all right so that's happening there so now where the hell did goff go in this hole i'd love to know where is he here well he who ran into melissa as we know right he ended up yeah obviously his his girl melissa mobile melissa

over here that's she is miss mobile i'm sure uh he put her up in a motel room in mobile is what happened judging by melissa up in a motel in mobile um melissa motel and mobile yeah melissa's at the motel and mobile motel and mobile you know mo sometimes people will call yeah so So, and he said he went straight back to the Rocky Creek Inn after that. So that's what happened. And Melissa, judging by everything later, he did take her to the hotel or the motel in Mobile. And he checked her in. And that's all legit. That actually happened.

She also said that Goff had gone to the store and bought her some groceries before he left. So went to the motel, checked her in. They went to the grocery store, bought some shit, took her back to the store and bought her some groceries before he left. So went to the motel, checked her in. They went to the grocery store, bought some shit, took her back to the motel, and then he jetted out of there. Okay? Yeah. Now, according to Melissa, at about 8.30 p.m. while they were in the store, Goff received a phone call, and then she said after that his whole demeanor changed.

And he was kind of gruff after that. P demeanor changed and he was he wasn't he was kind of he was gruff after that pissy just not the same not the same guy after that he was kind of uh kind of pissed out his his uh uh social security number has been compromised that's what it was i think he found out that they've been trying to get a hold of him about his car warranty for a long time and uh it's very urgent he was like god damn it i need to know these And it's very urgent. He was like, God damn it, I need to know these things. He was very mad. Very angry. Our warranty expired.

Fuck! His life alert bracelet. Oh, no. Jesus Christ. It's all terrible. And they want to give him solar and it's going to cut his... He's wasting money every month

on his electricity bill. That's the thing. If you're doing that, I mean, if he doesn't get new gutters soon, they're going to fall right off the house. You know what I mean?

You got to get those gutter guards on there so the leaves don't get in there and make them fall. That's the problem. So he also at some point he takes off and at some point he stops at his mother's house. So he stops at mom's house. While he's at his mom's house, he talks on the phone twice. So not once, but twice during the second call her mother this is great during the second call the mother went to the other extension and picked up the phone and listened i listened oh you oh no what's he doing let's tell i'm gonna

listen to what's going on here on this phone call. I just this lady's hilarious. She literally was like, he's back on the phone and went in another room and fucking listen. So awful. She said that he was talking to a woman on the phone and the woman. She says, quote, The girl said, Joseph, you can't just put me in a motel and go off and leave me. I'm hungry. And he said, I left you $500. And she said, but there's nothing to eat here. So, Otter Domino's. You have $500.

Otter Pizza Hut. What are you talking about? Figure it out. Yeah. So we don't know. At this point, we don't know who this is because he's got two girls in motels at this point. So we're not sure. But we'll have a better idea a little bit later on.

So about 11.30 p.m. around on august 26th okay this is you know the same time that brandy's talking to james on and off and everything so around 11 30 here uh goff comes back to the rocky creek in right okay he approaches the front desk and he states that he and his girlfriend are locked out of room 121. He only gave us one key. Remember that? Two keys. Margaret Clark, who's the desk clerk, made a key for him

and he went on his way back to the room. Three minutes later, he comes back and he says he's still unable to get into the room. Key doesn't work. Great. The worst. So he only made me one. I lost it and now you gave me a second one and it didn't and he says he's still unable to get into the room key doesn't work great the worst so you only made me one i lost it and now you gave me a second one and it didn't work right so perfect so this is already annoyed we've been there yeah we've been there at midnight we're like god damn it oh my god so that dc room the fucking i get to my door the door they had to take the door off

jimmy has electronic lock and he got locked out with all of his shit inside in like a 5 a.m. flight after the show. And they're like, oh, we got to get engineering to take the door off. He's like, what? He had to sit in the hallway while they fucking take his door off. That never happens to anybody on planet Earth. And they're like, yeah, the battery went dead in the reader. And I was like, well, what does that mean? And they're like, we'll have it taken care of in the morning no we won't yeah then what we'll have this thing

right fucking now all my stuff's in there what are you talking i gotta leave in two hours you're missing the point of a hotel room it's to keep me and my stuff in the same general area that's we'll give you another room that doesn't help that doesn't fix this okay so i leave all my shit here and fly home no you're gonna ship it yeah what are we doing here so clark makes a second key for him so he presumably huffs out slams that sliding glass door behind him and stops off and uh goff ends up returning again for a third time and clark ends up saying is there anybody else in the room, can you get somebody to open the goddamn door? And he said, yes, there's someone in the room.

And she said, well, if that's why, because the room is locked from the inside. Stupid. So that's why your key's not working. It works on the one lock, but not the deadbolt lock. So you're an idiot. So basically that's how that works. So he said blah, blah, blah. And he stomps off.

And she never sees him again. He just takes off. He doesn't come back for a fourth time to complain about that. So now during all this, James, Brandy's husband, he says that in the early morning hours here, late at night on August – late night of August 26th into August 27th, he tries to call Brandy three additional times, but can't get a hold of her. So he tried to call around midnight and a male answered the phone. That makes sense because that's after Goff was trying to get the key and all that because he didn't want to cause trouble.

He just hung up the phone, which takes that's imagine the how do you not be like, is this a motherfucker been hitting my wife and i'll kill you like fucking taking her from the bama barn and pitting her i how do you not but he just hung up he didn't want to he's close i feel like he's got like at this point she's been gone almost a month and he's looking at her like a deer he doesn't want to spook right i mean if he rocks the boat she's gonna run away from the brook and then he can't get her you know and this guy's willing to hit her over whatever disagreement they have exactly hits her over calling her husband that's the other thing too how would the husband know she's there unless he called her it's a whole big deal so james tries twice more to reach brandy around

4 30 and 5 30 a.m uh he can't reach her at all so when he can't the phone is busy the whole time when he tries to call back later so he's unable to reach her he ends up calling the front desk for assistance and the front desk tells him that the phone is off the hook i guess they can you know they can tell her what but the phone's off the hook either she's on it or it's off the hook either way one way or another the the hang up button is not depressed. Nothing we can do about it, basically. If someone's on the phone, it's not against our rules. So whatever. So Pearl again, Pearl Boulware, the desk clerk, she's back for the morning.

She says that Brandy received several telephone calls throughout the whole evening of the 26th. The caller was a male and asked Boulware to ring ring brandy's room but it was busy every time so he would call the room he'd call them say can you connect me to that maybe that'll work and so james is calling a lot at this all night at the motel and he's getting ready to drive there in the morning so august 27th the next morning uh dd wall who's the owner of the rocky creek in dd notices what appears to be the fire damage in room one 21 by the morning. So she's like, what the fuck is going on here? Um, she used the housekeeping key to enter the room, does that.

Once she gets in the room, she notices that the room was burned. And that's the first thing she noticed was the charred walls. She's like, what the fuck happened in here and then she sees the uh she sees feet on the floor uh down there in between the two beds and she takes off immediately smart move goes and calls 9-1-1 as you don't want to i'm not investigating that no that's that's not my job i'm not fire and body i gotta got to go. Yeah, this is two things I'm not qualified to deal with. Bye. See ya. So she goes to the motel lobby, calls 911.

They receive the call about 845 a.m. The call advised of a fire and a possible body in the room. So numerous officers respond. Apparently, county sheriff there, Gary Welford, who we talked about before, he arrives at about 8.55. He goes into the room. He says that that's the one where he says, quote, I saw two feet sticking out beyond the ends of the bed and would appear to be body organs thrown around the room. Thrown about the room, which makes it sound even worse. I don't know why.

Thrown about the room. Yeah, that's why. Sounds much more like real. about about the room yeah it's it's why sounds much more like real you know like thrown around the room sounds almost silly but thrown about the room you're like oh god what a monster he threw he tossed them about the room no just around the room would have been one thing but not about it fuck it's way different the room sounds like they're in a specific spot about the room means they're fucking everywhere. Yeah.

I see one like up in a corner somewhere, like up in the ceiling. I see one like on a floorboard. A slide mark down a wall. Yeah. Yeah. One's like on top of the TV. Like, I feel like it's all. That's about the room.

Everything is strewn about. So Detective Ronnie Lambert shows up. He's an investigator with the George County Sheriff's Department. Lonnie Lambert shows up. He's an investigator with the George County Sheriff's Department. He arrives at the scene about 9, 10 and sees the other sheriffs are already there. The scene had not been secured yet, which seems like as soon as you see feet, I would think you would secure for homicide at that point. Fucking organs. Remember that?

Yeah, I would think everybody out. Yellow tape that shit. Wait for homicide. You don't touch anything. But I mean, whatever. everybody out yellow tape that shit wait for homicide you don't touch anything but i mean whatever uh but a deputy was standing outside the room making sure no one like went in there and played with the organs or anything so that's that's a positive no like kid wandered in and went oh look at that slapping around somebody's pancreas that's better so detective lambert uh

the county coroner and another detective all enter the room, photograph the scene. They secure the room with tape and instructed an officer to stay outside to prevent anyone else from entering. Now, once they get into the body and look down at the body, they realize that it is a young woman here because, I mean, who knows? Who the hell knows what this could have been with this confrontation brewing? They identify the victim as Brandy Yates. So it is Brandy. Yep, they do that through the registration materials, the copy of her license that was photocopied, matches the room, and all that sort of thing.

They find out from the motel clerk that Brandy had arrived at the motel in a white ford mustang so um as the investigation goes on about 3 45 they they contact the dispatcher at the sheriff's department and they you know give kind of a hey look out for a white ford mustang right with this guy driving with goth driving so they're looking for the mustang about 3 p.m on august 27th the uh a george county trooper named jason gin of the mississippi highway patrol sees a white ford mustang traveling on i-20 near vicksburg mississippi which is on the other side of the state i think that's over on the western side of the state there so the trooper noticed that the car has a temporary tag on it, which is expired and defaced.

So it looks like they tried to, like, doctor it. Oh, God. I mean, that's not great. If you want to draw attention to it even more, like, maybe they don't see the date. That is hilarious when people try to do that. I wouldn't have noticed until you wrote a new date on it. Yeah, until you wrote a new date in green crayon, which isn't the state official.

And not handwriting. It's very strange. Not a print of a fucking computer. Very odd. I didn't realize that they came out like that right from the state. I didn't know you could just go to the DMV and pay $20 to extend that. Now I know. Yeah.

And they write it in Sharpie. That's fucking perfect so this trooper he was in the median one of those guys lurking in the median i assume behind trees to get you everybody slams on their brakes uh he ends up catching up with him he he was unable to read the issuing tag uh issuing state on the tag because it had been all jacked up so he's like i don't even know what state this goddamn thing is from. He could see the expiration date was August 20th, though, which was a week earlier. So, you know, that's expired.

No, no, that's a five over that four, though. So it's now in 2005 it expires. I crossed it out. See, it ain't no big thing. It's all right. That's what they do in Alabama. That's how they issue it. You just take it on down to DMV and they cross it out and brought another one in there. We all know.

So they pull him over and driver rolls down the passenger side window because it's a highway. So the cop comes on the other side to not get hit by a car. And the trooper, first thing he notices is a strong smell of cigarette smoke. So he's chain smoking in there. Then he notices red marks on smell of cigarette smoke so he's chain smoking in there then he notices red marks on the neck of goff goff's driving the mustang red marks on his neck and he said that the vehicle was in his report he put quote trashed on the inside there's shit strewn about everywhere like strewn about like organs jimmy all over the place it's all all a lighthearted nightmare on our podcast, Morbid.

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What's shaking? Where are you going? Yeah, you're from Alabama. You're on the other side of Mississippi with a fucking, what's popping here, fella? What you got going on? Happened to your neck. Yeah, happened to your Alabama. You're on the other side of Mississippi. What's popping here, fella? What you got going on? Happened to your neck. Yeah, happened to your neck.

All this stuff. So Goff tells this trooper his explanation for where and what he is here is that he is – this is great. He's traveling on a, quote, spiritual experience to Texas. All right. To Texas. To Texas, yeah. He's going on a spiritual experience to Texasxas all right so he's to texas yeah he's going on a spiritual experience to texas he tells the cop the cop's like oh oh okay oh oh that's not a normal traffic

stop answer where are you headed going to my mom's going over here going to pick this up going on vacation going spiritual experience in Texas. I don't know what the fuck he's thinking. What you just said, sir, was Austin because there's no spiritual anywhere else. I'm going to go to El Paso and have me a spiritual experience. I'm going to head up to Amarillo where it's real spiritual. Right. So that's what he tells them so the officer is the trooper let's say is

as the way he puts it concerned by this strange response which i would be too like this dude is weird um so his observations of the driver and the vehicle and everything else this at this point he asked for a driver's license he hadn't even gotten his driver's license from this guy yet he just got to this point and here's spiritual experience and he's like let's let's see who you are fella let's spiritual experience what's your name what's your name buddy date of birth let's go let's go ahead and do that uh as well as as well as the registration for the vehicle they provide both the trooper returns to his vehicle with everything contacts the dispatcher and to see if the license is valid. He comes back, you know, to talk to him while that's all being processed.

Trooper notices now this odor of gasoline on the documents that he was given. So the car registration and his license and shit smell of gasoline. The things that you handed me reek of gas why is that what up with that you know what i'm saying what you got i got my driver's lights in my back pocket james should i see if it smells like gasoline just i'm sure it does i can tell you right now no most most everyone's car registration reeks of gasoline right? How much gas do you have to get on you to make your registration smell like gas? That's what I mean. That's a lot of gas.

How much gas is soaked through your driver's license is laminated. How does it smell like gas? You have to really get into the plastic. It's not porous. No. Shit is happening. So, Gough, he says, oh, oh yeah the tag's expired sorry about that the license comes back as valid though so that's a start um that's good however the trooper also

is informed by dispatch that he has a lengthy criminal history as well basically give him a warning about the guy he had a quote he had multiple breaking and entering charges showing on his criminal history, menacing stolen property charges, assault and charges involving a firearm. General piece of shit. General shithead who just got out of jail. So that last thing I was telling you about the shooting at people, that was just the latest incident. This is a general. He's had a general child of incest kind of upbringing. I feel like I'm not sure.

And I apologize if you're a child of incest and you're fine, but he's not, is what I'm getting at. This here is why that shit's illegal, because it creates this. It creates assholes like you. So the dispatcher also informs the trooper that they couldn't find any record on file of the Mustang at all. So they don't have anything like it's not registered. It's just a random car. Just in the wind? Just an in the wind white Mustang.

How do you have a car that's just out there somewhere? With a general menace to society with a license reeking of gasoline in it. This is a very, very strange situation. If you don't have a car that runs in Arizona, it still has to be documented where it is. Yeah. No, they were like, we never heard of that before. I think he might have built it himself. Where's that come from?

He might have built it over at the good old days i think there's a by the way the good old days festival i forgot to mention because i went past it quickly but they have a greased pig competition in that as well they have a greased pig competition jimmy i want to compete in that one of these days though i feel like i'd be pretty good at it you want to be which which side of it want to be chased and greased and chased? I'll probably chase the greased pig. You want to do the chasing. I'll grease me, too, and chase a greased pig.

That'd be even harder. That sounds fun. If you catch it, you get to eat it. You can butcher it yourself. Ain't that nice? I just want the loin. So the trooper at this point calls for backup. He's like, this is trooper again

shit's just a little too weird out here i'm gonna need some backup uh shit's getting strange so um they do while he's in his car waiting for the dispatcher to respond another trooper shows up he tells the other trooper what he's he's like this dude's a fucking whack job you know whatever he said go talk to him see what you think like literally said, why don't you go talk to him and see what you think? I don't know. Maybe you can get more out of him. He just seems like a weirdo. Go ask him where he's going.

I dare you. See what kind of spiritual experience he had. I got the front part of it. Right. Just go up to him and say, hey, what's happening, buddy? Ever been on a spiritual experience? And just see what he says. Yeah.

I'm curious. So he does. The trooper goes and talks to him. He ends up coming back to the other trooper and saying that this guy had told him that he has about $3,000 in cash on him. This guy in a fabricated car. Right. Reeking of gasoline, just getting out of prison. Has three grand in cash on him.

He's a convicted felon, and he'd just been released from prison for shooting someone so he got the full story out of him it worked it worked whoever that guy is teach teach the other guy how to interrogate or at least uh gain information that's useful i mean all he had was spiritual that's it and this car isn't worth being on the road it's all you got was spiritual experience out of him you got nothing that was bullshit so yeah uh they go back talk to the dispatcher they have a little powwow sit down what the hell are we doing here like what what's going on so they go let's go talk to him again this is a trip right so they head on back just let's go talk to him let's go ask him more that's what i mean let's ask him more stuff just ask him whatever like well you know just whatever you want.

Just ask him what his favorite movie is. It's probably something crazy. It's probably nuts. It's probably like the worst movie. You know he's going to come out and he's going to be like, just something terrible. He's going to be like, Gigli. And you're going to be like, what?

How did that happen? It hasn't even been made yet. What's wrong with you? Anyway, so. Martin Lawrence, Blue Street. That's's my favorite was that what it called no it wasn't yeah it is it's got it's got funny parts though does it dave chapelle's in it so uh yeah it's hard to argue with anything he's in when he's whooping dave chapelle's ass and they're standing outside going that's that's federal government training right there and he puts the

phone book up to him and he's like beating chapelle he's like that's old school they're like yeah that's funny but the rest of it sucks so after they go back to him and they go hey uh buddy hey uh johnny spiritual here uh just out of curiosity do you have any stolen merchandise weapons drugs anything like that in the vehicle and he's like oh god of course not no sir i just got out of jail i'm don't have that you kidding me i have a car that has no that was never made but outside of that no i'm in a car that doesn't exist sir yeah i mean i'm in a ghost car yes yes i'm in a ghost car but outside of that i'm a normal man right i'm fine just i'm just driving a ghost car on a spiritual experience to texas what the fuck what the fuck is so hard to understand about that huh i got a ghost car

driving to texas so they said uh they request and receive permission to search the car can we search it sure what the hell why not? Why not? Get in here. So the search begins there. And before the search is complete, the other trooper who came and got the information, he had to leave the scene to assist somebody else in a traffic stop. It's your lucky day, buddy. Well, because the searches aren't conducted when only one officer is on the scene, the trooper says, we got to wait a while. I'm going to back up off the search and we're going to sit here till we get another somebody else to come watch me do this wow so during the 15 minute intermission there while another officer came in they continued to have a conversation um the troopers asked him so why does your paperwork smell like gasoline just curious that's a weird one uh goth responded that

he kept a gas can in the back of the car in case he ran out of gas. Okay. So that makes your driver's license reek of gasoline. Okay. It's in everything. It's all up in the cracks of everything, all up in the crevices. So the troopers said that. And also, Goff also during all this mentions his girlfriend, to which the trooper said, well, where's she at now? Where's she at now? Whoever she at now whoever he just says my girlfriend and he goes where's your valid question though i don't see her yeah was she she not spiritual or what what's happening so uh

he said at this point goff's demeanor changed completely and he went from being talkative and friendly to very quiet and he his response j Jimmy, this is better than a spiritual experience. His response is he wouldn't say much, and then when pressed, he went, I lost her in Loosedale. Lost her? Like in a poker game? Like, who the fuck, or like you lose a dog. You can't lose an adult.

If you can't find them, that means that they left and they're probably running from you. You don't lose an adult if you can't find them that that means that they left and they don't they're probably running from you that's you don't lose an adult like they're not loosable i don't think i loosed in loose i loosed him and lose dale i got a t-shirt that says that too i lose my girl and loose dale you know it goes so he lost her so this cop is just like whoa what am i dealing with with this fucking lunatic here his answers are each one's better than the last though it's getting better and better way till they get him to the police station it's something else so he explained the day before him and his girlfriend stopped in louisdale they checked into a motel room but after they got

into a fight he took off so that was that so the trooper asked quote well aren't you gonna go back and pick her up like he's gonna leave her there uh he didn't respond to that he just kind of shrugged his shoulders so um at this point the trooper was at said he was puzzled and also concerned that his girlfriend might be injured if she even existed at all right i mean the car doesn't exist so maybe the girlfriend's bullshit too who knows so he said uh at that point he contacted the authorities in southern mississippi to determine whether uh they're searching for goth they go let me see if anybody's looking for this guy he's a real asshole someone must want to talk to him i bet so he he learns from the george county sheriff's

office that goth is a person of interest in a in a fucking dismemberment. So, you know, maybe take him in. There's organs everywhere, literally like we got organs over here. So, yeah, you might want to hold on to him. So the whole thing took an hour outside at the car for the searching and the stopping and all that shit. So after being informed that he's going to be under arrest here temporarily, the sheriff sends investigators to get him and his vehicle there. So that day also, Margaret Clark, the desk clerk at the hotel who made the keys, identifies

a photograph of Goff as being the man who visited the front desk the night before. That makes sense. The detective, another detective, said through the assistance of the authorities in Alabama, he got the photograph of Goff. They did this pretty goddamn quick, I got to say, and they got it all to him. He said that because the investigators did not know for several hours how the organs were removed from Brandy's body we had no idea at the time that those large organs and intestines had been removed from that hole until much later that night when the body was actually removed from the scene sweet jesus what he did is fucking insanity it's a small hole

yeah he wow yanked i'll tell you in a second. Oh, my God. His mother, Leslie Goff, privately retains private attorneys for him, which is for a murder case is not cheap. So his family's got to have a couple of bucks. And we'll say one other thing that happened to in a minute here. So the autopsy is performed by Dr. Stephen Hain. Dr. Stephen Hain, he determines the cause of Brandy's death was four slash wounds to the neck, which cut through two major blood vessels, the left jugular vein and the left common carotid artery. Slitter throughout four times. Just fucking every got cut everything up.

Yeah. Slasher all over the place. In addition to the lethal slash wounds, Dr. Payne found that Brandy had suffered numerous other injuries, including gaping wounds inflicted by blunt force trauma over the right facial area in the front surface of the neck and right to middle

lower chest wall. Beat her open? He cut her open with bashing her in the head, broke the skin open. He beat her with the nightstand drawer. Wow. That's what he beat her with, the nightstand drawer. This whole crime, his murder weapon is the nightstand, because wait till you see what else he did with pieces of the nightstand.

Holy shit. Yeah, this is fucking really bad. If you don't like gore or just don't like descriptions of gross shit, maybe fast forward a little bit. But this is more fair warning here. So as if that wasn't bad enough already, numerous bone fractures were present in the facial area, the right chest wall and the rib cage. Brandy's teeth were knocked out like most of them. Wow. That's a terrible beating fragments stand in the nightstand

fragments of charred toothpicks were located in the neck and facial area charred toothpicks so like toothpicks were stuck in her and then they burned in the fire because they're made of wood wow think about that that's why would you i don't know to torture somebody be the only way to stick toothpicks in them i mean that's going a bit far i think most of this is going a little far at this point and uh that is just that's just some weird that's some weird like you know some shit like if this person got away that would be a big deal with the profilers you know what i mean like toothpicks sticking out what what was that about it's staging right but he's aging it's so personal too how do you get this personal with somebody that you've known for three weeks you

know what i mean that's bananas yeah well this guy i don't think is a normal guy based on his past and everything else this is uh maybe um maybein Shouldn't Fuck is what I'm getting at. It's a pretty good call. Just possible here. Keep the DNA separate. Yeah, let's do that here. So toothpicks located in the neck and facial area, a small silver metal screw,

and two pieces of splintered wood were removed from Brandy's scalp hair as well. So organs, Jesus Christ, splintered wood were removed from brandy scalp hair as well yeah so uh organs jesus christ including portions of the small and large bowels intestines and the spleen had been torn out of brandy's body via the hole in her chest wow so this wasn't deep yeah this wasn't like somebody cut somebody open and took the organs out there was a hole they reached in and grabbed shit and just pulled it out and threw it around the room wow think about that the fucking frenzy you have to be in to open up a small hole enough to reach

inside to yank organs out just enough to get your hand in the organ he had to get a hand he had to get to the elbow those are low that's yeah this is the this is fucking wow from her chest and charring injuries were present all over the body as well i'm sure yeah so we'll find out what he used to inflict the incision as well here in a second so uh mississippi crime lab investigators come in stacy smith who's a forensic scientist at the mississippi crime lab investigators come in stacy smith who's a forensic scientist at the mississippi crime lab arrives at 1 p.m she enters the hotel room we almost called it a hotel let's come down here she notices that a layer of soot covered the entire room that the curtains beds lamps and floor were damaged and that the victim's feet were visible on the floor between the beds the victim's's feet were visible on the floor between the beds.

The victim's organs were also lying on the floor throughout the room. Physical evidence recovered during this whole thing. Search of the crime scene and later introduced would be a pillow without a pillowcase, a bag of toothpicks as well as toothpicks lying around the rooms, loose ones, a gas can, a pack of cigarettes, a metal drawer track, which appeared to contain bloody fingerprints, tissue and blood, and two white two-holed buttons. So, you know, buttons that would go. He used the metal track on the nightstand drawer.

Wow. He pulled that out of the drawer. He took that out of the drawer he took that off of the drawer because it said there was a screw stuck in her head so he probably beat her until it probably broke off and then he used that to open up a hole in her chest reach in and fucking pull organs out unbelievable then stuck toothpicks in her neck and head all over it what the fuck is going on and this is one of the worst like this is one of the worst that we've dealt with this is crazy um wow a lot of photographs taken obviously of this and they are horrific man as you can imagine so the search uh they they talk about this uh search of his car a more

detailed search uh they found on the passenger seat a blue flannel shirt underneath which was a white pillowcase which is they're missing a pillowcase over there inside the pillowcase was a shirt a piece of wood containing uh containing what appeared to be blood and a tissue, and an EconoLodge notepad containing a note from Brandy. The note said, quote, Joseph went to see kids. Be back soon. Okay. So they're staying at an EconoLodge somewhere else. Somewhere else they must have been at an EconoLodge.

So on the passenger side floorboard, a baseball cap, two shoes, a white glove containing reddish stains, an empty pizza box. They were all found. The bottom of the left shoe appeared to have blood and tissue located between the treads. Sure. Jesus Christ. Trekking all over the room.

Yeah. Walking all over. He took them off and kept them in the car. That's good. Good Lord. Also recovered from the vehicle were a plastic trash bag or a trastic plash bag, if you've heard her share a long time, which contained cigarette butts, pizza crust, and a pink-colored blade guard from a disposable razor. That's what's in there. Now, the shirt that was found inside the pillowcase, the investigator will later say that there was a large amount of a reddish substance what appeared to be blood on the front of the shirt.

that there was a large amount of a reddish substance what appeared to be blood on the front of the shirt. And the back of the same shirt contained smaller stains of what appeared to be blood also. The investigator here, she noted that the shirt was missing four white two-hole buttons, which appeared to be the same as the buttons recovered in the motel room. So we're missing two buttons out there somewhere. Also recovered from the vehicle, and this is important,

was a woman's wallet, which was found in the area of the console of the car. The wallet was removed from the vehicle, and it contained Brandy's driver's license, Social Security card, photos of her children, children's birth certificates, their Medicaid cards, her Social Security card, a carrot cake recipe. What? She's a normal person card, a carrot cake recipe. What? She's a normal person. She likes carrot cake. I mean, you think about a murder victim, that's what you have going on in your life. You see a carrot cake recipe, you go, well, maybe I'll make that later. You know what I mean?

No matter what's going on, you're leaving your husband, the Bama barn, getting your organs removed. You also want a carrot cake. You better hang on to that. Sometime in the middle there, you might want a carrot cake. So it's a tough thing to make. It's not easy to make a good carrot cake. It is delicious. It's goddamn delicious.

So carrot cake recipe and $509 in cash. You remember him saying on the phone at his mom's house, I gave you $500. This is $10, $50 bills, a five and two ones. So it's clearly from a bank, you know what I mean? $10.50 is like that.

And $2.25 as well. So that equals $509. So a forensic biologist with the crime lab examined the physical evidence seized, and they tried to locate possible biological material and collect and preserve as much material so that they could do DNA later. biological material and collect and preserve as much material so that they could do DNA later. Upon visual examination of the metal track, it's hard to say, metal track of the nightstand drawer, an investigator noticed a reddish brown stain. She collected the stain and tested it and identified as human blood.

She swabbed the right shoe recovered from the vehicle. It's also human blood, so that's all proved. The investigator also noticed that she examined the tread of the left shoe and noticed right shoe recovered from the vehicle it's also human blood so that's all proved um the investigator also noticed that she examined the tread of the left shoe and noticed it was caked with a tissue like substance and red and brown stains oh jesus christ she had not tested it as to leave the impression of the shoe print undisturbed she didn't want to fuck it up so she also noted that the shirt recovered from goss vehicle was saturated with stains and stated that the patterns of brown and red on top of each other indicated the presence of tissue and coagulated blood no dna testing was performed on any of the evidence and the testing

conducted uh did not identify the source of blood because it was kind of obvious where the source of blood was so they get they get goff into the police station you're gonna sit him down and talk with him this guy they're like whoa they've heard of the crime scene they've heard his answers they're like this dude is fucking weird clearly he's he's a problem so they sit him down this is the morning of august 28 2004 because they had to get him back from vicksburg and all that shit so he arrives at the george county sheriff's department he's given miranda warnings and then uh interviewed by detective lambert during the interview he explains because they ask him what's up with the marks on your body and he said they'd been inflicted by brandy

yeah brandy's been hitting me knocking me around he said during a physical altercation that they had uh right after they got to the motel she said that he slapped her on the head after that because she was attacking him right uh quote slapped her on the head which is a weird way to put domestic violence he didn't smack her on the head he hit her in the fucking face. He hit her a lot. Yeah. So he indicated that the altercation began with him accusing Brandy of being sexually unfaithful to him and not wanting to be with him anymore. It's been three weeks. What are you talking about? Also, she's still married. I mean, you're living in motels together.

Right. When is she stepping out? Like, what are you talking about? This dude is nuts, man. He's nuts this is crazy um and according to goth after this whole thing she hit him he hit her blah blah blah he just left he said upon returning to the motel later that night the first thing he noticed when he opened the motel room door was a note written by brandy it wasn't till after he shut the door

behind him that he noticed a smell he noticed a note and then a smell so he said that he described the scene and the state of brandy's body she's already dead when i got there it was brutal um yeah she he says that um uh he said that the body quote was mutilated the face and everything crushed in that's what he said um he said that it quote it looked like someone had reached in through a hole in her chest and pulled out all her organs and then slung them all over the room so he's saying that's how he found her that's how he found her they didn't know how they got the organs out at that point they didn't know where the fuck they looked at this and they're like how the fuck

do these organs get out of this body is this like magic yeah they didn't realize through the small hole they were wondering how that happened and they were going to find out through testing he just said that's how he found it so it looked like someone must have reached in there and pulled them all out which the medical examiner couldn't even figure that out yet but he's one person knew that he can take a glance at it and tell when organs have been pulled through a hole in the body and slung them all over the room. That's a worrisome man. Holy shit.

Even if he didn't do it, if he just happened upon a body and saw it like that and knew exactly how it... I'm very disturbed by that yeah he's scary as fuck i'm absolutely fucking disturbed by that so oh my god uh yeah he said that after he found the body he he quote proceeded to lie on top of her body for over an hour quote and just hold her yeah spiritual yeah no an organless person i'm just gonna hold her he stated quote i laid there and i held her kissed her head and everything else before i got up so he's just very sad just laid with her had just a time he said that uh he then became worried that he would be considered a suspect.

My God, they could blame this on me. Yeah. I'm just a- I think I'm crazy. I'm just a poor boy. Nobody loves me. This is ridiculous. I'm just out here snuggling corpses.

What the fuck? Yeah. I'm just the corpse snuggler. What the hell's going on here? I'm the great southern corpse smuggler. That's all. You don't know that. Dixie's own?

What the fuck? Wow. They call me the Dixie corpse smuggler. Snuggler. What you thinking? So the name of this episode is the Dixie corpse snuggler, right? I don't see how it's not now. Pretty good.

God damn it. It's corpse snuggler. If they don't, even with one body, if you don't call that guy the snuggler what you're blowing it you really are you've lost already you know if they knew that he snuggled her and he got away then it would be like we're on the hunt for the snuggler that would be right it doesn't sound that menacing but when you really think about it it's really menacing as hell yeah the most menacing so he said that yeah he's worried he's like oh shit oh man they don't think i did it i've never hurt my brandy so oh no he said quote this is his when he said this to

cops in a fucking they gave him a miranda warning okay this is what that's great they said hey buddy you don't have to tell us anything it's really gonna fuck you up if you do and he said oh no i snuggled with a corpse because i figured someone pulled all the organs out the hole in her chest. And then I kissed her on the head and laid there. That's what he told police officers. Oh, OK. Then he said these. Then he said these words while clearly being, you know, his words are being noted by police.

This wasn't casual. He wasn't out by the fucking water cooler when this happened. He says, quote, so I stole everything out of the room that might have had my fingerprints on it and wiped the room down. So they're like, all right, then what? He said, okay, well, so then I went down and I went down and put all these items in my car. He said, then I backed up the car to the front of the room, grabbed a pair of white gloves that he had with him in the car along with the gas can. He said he went back in the room and this is his quote, quote, poured the gas through the can and set it on fire and then left.

Wow. Why would you think, why would you do that if you didn't do anything i'll set the room and also is there a smoke detector in this fucking building right the manager shows up and just sees fire damage it was a fire man if i smoked a cigarette in a hotel room i'd be fine they would knock on my door they'd know what's happening this guy's literally setting a room on fire and no one notices till the next day that's what didn't see smoke pouring out of the door like no one saw this what a bizarre story in the you he can't really expect to get away like they're just gonna go thank you so much for the information head on your way and go find more corpses to cuddle puddle with.

What the fuck is happening? Make sure to re-up that temp tag, though. Right. So at this point, they withdraw the original request for DNA testing because Goff already admitted he was in the hotel room and laid on top of her, and that's where the blood came from. So they don't need DNA testing now because they have him admitting it so it's better plus we know

you never do DNA testing unless you have to is why the cops do it because just by some well no not because it's expensive what if it doesn't say what you wanted to say that's a good thing by some weird thing and then you're fucked is what it is what if it's animal DNA

and yeah never go looking for never go looking for more evidence when you have some evidence is kind of how they work yeah so uh the indictment comes down two count indictment for him uh charges him with capital murder uh the underlying felony being robbery during the murder because he took everything and second cuddling and creepy cuddling that's exactly it was a creepy creepy cuddling. And creepy cuddling. It was a creepy corpse cuddling, the triple C, they call it. Statute 501 triple C, I believe they call that in the state of Mississippi. So this is also second degree arson he's charged with. And he pleads not guilty to these charges.

In court, so his mom hired him two lawyers. So he doesn't have a public defender. He's got pay lawyers, as they call it. So right away, he is a step above most murder people. Right away, he's doing well. He says, hmm, what's the dumbest thing I could do? Fire him. What's the stupidest thing I could do in the world?

I know. I'm going to represent myself. Yeah. Because all this time and yeah all this time in prison and my spiritual experiences and my corpse snuggling has really made me a legal fucking genius so he uh he does and the judge says that uh he he tells the judge that and the judge says fine go ahead he says you have to have the other two with you to assist you you have them there but otherwise it's on you asshole you want to do it? He says, you're competent. You seem the world number one or you think no one is

going to care about my case like me this is my life it's not their life no one cares about this as much as me i will dot all the i's and cross all the t's but that is like saying i'm going to replace all the plumbing in my house because no one cares about my house as much as me even though i don't know shit about pipes right guess what your caring does not replace the knowledge of someone who knows what the fuck they're doing in that in that category it just doesn't and never will really hard to sweat pipes you know what i'm saying yeah it's just hard and people know how to do that shit so just let them do it so the the judge thoroughly examined him to make sure that he was knowingly and intelligently and voluntarily waiving his right.

And, yeah, he said that he cautioned him. He said that, quote, asking to represent yourself at trial on the most serious felony crime that could be committed. And it puts you at a serious disadvantage. And then he said, nope, absolutely going to do it. So first thing they try to do is throw out everything from the traffic stop. They're trying to get that all suppressed, all the evidence. The ghost car. I want to know nothing about it.

If the ghost car disappears, like it never existed. What's his theory of strategy? How's he getting that out? How's he going to do it? He's saying that the search was not a – it shouldn't have been a search, basically. Okay. The legal search and seizure. He's also saying that because he was kept there an hour, he was basically held without being charged.

He's saying it's a constitutional thing, he's saying. So Goff responded he did not have any drugs or weapons or anything when he was asked. They said that he consented to the search of the vehicle the totality of the search apparently by the first trooper who was there because everything else they found was later when they got it to process right uh the first one was consisted of it consisted of opening a carton of cigarettes and searching the center console and they found uh that's where they found the rolls of 50 bills because he's got all 50s and so did brandy so that yeah so uh the search ends after the rolls of money were found because the other cop had to leave at that point like we said so um that's how that worked now the mental competency also he's saying that

uh that you know they should file for mental competency hearing and everything like that. And apparently his attorney that he's working with, that his mom's paying for, had come to believe that he has a history of mental illness and he has been treated by mental health professionals while he was incarcerated in Alabama. treated by mental health professionals while he was incarcerated in Alabama. And he said, as an attorney for the defendant, I question the defendant's competency to stand trial and believe that it's essential for a mental examination to be conducted because of, quote, the defendant has engaged in bizarre behavior during the past several years. Most of them days, of course, corpse snuggling and organ pulling, I think, would be the most. So that would be there. The court hears this. The counsel for him.

This is the counsel for him. He said, and when I came over here at first to represent him, I told him due to the horrendousness of the allegation that we ought to look into some kind of maybe not guilty by reason of insanity or some type of looking into his competency at the time the event was done i haven't we've been looking at this and through everything i haven't seen any evidence that he's crazy he just seems like a real asshole i mean he does create he certainly does crazy shit yeah i i don't know that he's crazy exactly he just does wild i mean ifable things. Yeah. Essentially crazy. If we judge by what they did, then Ted Bundy's crazy. Dahmer's crazy.

They're all fucking crazy. They're all crazy. You know what I mean? So that's whatever. So, I mean, he just seems like a real outside of what he did. He doesn't seem crazy. That's what I mean. Outside of that act.

Right. He just seems like a real asshole. But you can't fucking say, Your Honor, I'd like to put in a plea of not guilty by reason of my client's a fucking asshole. In a clinical sense, he's just an asshole. It's a medical thing. My client is a clinical asshole. He's a clinical asshole. I'm sorry, Your Honor.

It's just hard to deal with. During the conference, counsel informed the trial court that Goff was a difficult client, that he was a child of incest. Apparently that's important for the client privilege here and that Goff had suffered psychotic episodes. Counsel also said he had no trouble communicating with Goff, though. And at the conclusion of this conference, defense counsel amended the request for a mental evaluation and basically said, I guess he's fine. He requested the evaluation was for mitigation purposes only for later on if he gets convicted. So also they explained that he's no longer requesting it again. He said he could find no independent background of Mr. Goff or he would have had any psychiatric care or psychologist care

or any indication that he would not be competent to stand trial or that he was legally insane at the time of the offense that's his own lawyer saying that so um yeah that all comes down here now the trial the prosecution in the opening he he gets i by the way i can't not picture the guy from my cousin vinnie when i picture a like a very southern trial prosecutor stuttering guy yeah no no the the prosecutor and my cousin Vinny. I just picture him. Yeah, I just picture him. Like a glove. You're going down, son.

I'm going to put you in prison forever. And this is what the district attorney says to the prospective jurors before they're impaneled. Quote, she worked as a cocktail waitress at a bar in Alabama where she worked to help support her family. And you're going to hear from her husband. And she's and she left 24 days before her death with a defendant. Now, the question I have for y'all is you're a fucking district attorney. I'm sorry. Will you hold that against the state of Mississippi that she worked in a bar? Some people just don't like that. Some people think you ought not work in a bar.

Can everybody tell me that her profession or her career that she was doing all the time will not affect your verdict? Can everybody tell me that, that you can follow the law? Because the law doesn't say you have the right to life unless you're a cocktail waitress or you have the right to life unless you're a cocktail waitress or you have the right to life unless you left your kids 24 days before with another man. It doesn't say that. It doesn't say that. And I need to know. And it's all right. Again, as the judge told you, this is America. We can believe what we want. And that's the great thing about our country. But we need to know now because if that's going to bother you, we have to know. So can everybody tell me the following, that they can follow the laws given to you by the court?

So there's that. That's what he says to the jurors. Then he also says, you know, if you watch a lot of TV, you probably get to watch, I don't know, how many of you, this is him talking like this because he's kind of whatever. How many of you watch CSI? Well, raise your hand. See, there's a lot of you. A lot of you. It's a very popular show.

My kids love it. All right. That's what he says. My kids love it. All right. They're older and they love that show. They like Law and Order too. But can everybody tell me that they can separate what they see on TV from what you see in the courtroom?

I know that sounds like a silly question, but people go, oh, well, it was on CSI. How come they don't do that in every case, all right? And I can tell you how I know. I know CSI and law and order are make-believe. If you flip the channel, you may see Scotty beaming someone else up, and that's on TV, all right? He's like, TV isn't real.

So can everybody tell me again? This kind of goes to the burden of proof, you know, what evidence you have and can tell everybody. He says the DNA or they don't have fingerprints and things you may see or hear about on CSI. Can everybody tell me that they can do that? So basically, this is called the CSI effect. And they have been before CSI. This has been going on in the homicide book. They talk about in the beginning of a murder trial, the prosecutor talking to the jury saying on TV, you see this and this on these cop shows. That's not how the shit works. It's not.

We don't always have the fingerprints and a bloody thumbprint on the handle of the knife and shit like that. That's not how it works. Most cases are circumstantial. And that's just how it works. So this, though, now it's called the the csi effect it's a it's a thing that lawyers talk about all the time and it's a crime scene investigation basically has a the jurors want to see that stuff they want dna fingerprints for surveillance footage because that's what they have on csi so they think that's the only way you can solve that takes the that takes the guilt and burden off of me saying this guy's guilty the evidence

says he's guilty i don't have to say shit doesn't hurt me i can sleep great at night while this guy's frying exactly then it goes to omission commission at that point and you're you're talking about that where you'd rather you take it out of your hands it's well i mean shit i don't know i didn't see that and that's what it's like on csi yeah so it's weird now during the opening statement of the prosecutor at trial he says on august the 2nd brandy yates was 29 years old so she left the day before her birthday by the way that's weird uh she had a husband named james she had a son eight years old james the fourth and she had a daughter named sissy. That is very Mississippi. Her mother, Carolyn, her father, Jack,

her sister, Crystal, and her brother, Jeff, loved her dearly and cared for her greatly. On August 2nd, they could not understand the decision Brandy had made. A decision to leave her family to go with that man right there. You can see him pointing. The defendant you see in this courtroom. Now, Brandy, you will hear, was a cocktail waitress in a bar in Alabama.

She worked there to help support her family. James worked construction. Yeah, she she met Mr. Goff at that bar. And for reasons we will probably never know, she made a decision to go with him. But at the time, all the concern, all the love, no one, no one ever dreamed that 24 days later she would end up dead in room 121 of the rocky creek in here in louisdale mississippi so that's the opening now their case the states is that he got crushed her head using a nightstand drawer and used the metal track to mutilate her body pull her fucking organs out then stabbed toothpicks into her head slashed her throat a

bunch of times and set the room on fire. What a story. Yeah. So they said that he went back to get what was rightfully his, which was the money in Brandy's wallet, which was that they found in her wallet on him. The evidence, though, supports the theory there. They think they presented it through the—what they did here is talked about the his departure from the motel. They talked about they set it up the timeline through James's calls to the hotel to get a hold of his wife and all that that Brandy feared Goff's return.

And based on the motel clerk's testimony, when Goff returned to the motel, he came back back and forth and all that sort of shit. So that seemed like she was trying to keep him out of the room type of thing. Also, additional evidence is presented that Goff had received a significant sum of money from his mother for a business that he had planned to start. He had thousands of dollars on him. There's also evidence there that Goff supported Brandy over this time because she didn't have a bunch of money to run away. She had whatever she had in tips the night she left probably and that was it. So hard to leave. It's so expensive.

It is. It really is. That's why air mattresses are a thing. And that Goff was the source of the cash found in her wallet, which makes sense because that was all 50s. So that all makes sense. Now, during the trial, Goff presented evidence implying that James had that the defense here comes up there.

The whole story is her husband, James, came there and killed her because she was mad at her for running away with Goff. OK, that's the story. Well, he was the one calling all night. And then, you know, all of a sudden now she's dead. I'm popping in. She's dead. I give her a snuggle. I leave. I set the a snuggle. I leave.

I set the room ablaze because I don't want everybody to catch the guy. I don't want them to blame me for it. And it's obviously him. I mean, he probably snuggled her too. So this is, I mean, from a defense point of view, he's like, who has more motivation to kill her than her husband who she left and fucked over and all this sort of thing? So that's what he's trying to say. He says that Goff sought to elicit testimony from James that he now he didn't question James himself. He had one of the other attorneys do it.

So James didn't burst forth from the stand and choke him to death in the middle of the fucking courtroom. So his own nightstand drawer. Yeah. Bring my own drawer there. We've never had a nightstand drawer be a murder weapon before. I've never even thought to consider that as like an option for some even watching shows when they're like and then she sat by the beds the bedside table. I wouldn't be like he killed her with the bedside table.

Yeah. I bet he would never draw out beat her with it then took the metal track out and rip cut her open with it and tore organs out. Never. Never. No. Who would think that shit? No.

So here it is. They get James on the stand and they said, quote, you said you were having marital problems, right? And he said, correct. Fucking obviously, dummy. She left with a bar. I left with a felon from the bar. Then they said, and you were on again off again with her. Is that right?

And he said, we had split up one time before. This would the second time so they said was it in 2004 you split up he said i would say 2003 so then the attorney says was that over was that over domestic violence that y'all split up and james said no sir and the attorney said it had nothing to do with that no sir from james he said was that ever a problem in your household james said direct problem no which is not the answer that you give it's a problem yeah direct problem no it's not every day it's not just peripheral you know how it is so the lawyer said sir like i don't understand what the fuck that means just like we just did and James said direct problem no okay so then the attorney said a direct problem

but there was a problem with fights and stuff with y'all wasn't there and he said there was disagreements and arguments yeah and the lawyer said physical fights and James said physical fighting no and they said the law was never called to your house and he said one time and they said how close to that how close was that to August 2004 that the law was called to your house because of fighting?

And he said, three or four years ago. So it wasn't like July 25th. It ain't the catalyst, sir. Clearly. You poked around and found nothing there, basically. The law was called? Or police were called? Now, yeah, they always say the law.

I know. It's the fucking Duke boys. Like Boss Hogg and Roscoe Pete Coltrane are going to come down and get you. It's happening. So now his main, the crux of his case is that the wallet that he was found in his possession when he was stopped shortly after the murder, that that wasn't removed from the hotel room. That wasn't stolen, so it wasn't robbery. It was left in my car.

It was left in my car, so it was just there and I took off. So it wasn't robbery, so then I don't have an aggravator, so then it's not capital murder. Therefore, therefore, therefore. That's how that worked. So they have record that when she came in, she gave her driver's license, was given the key. Like we said,

she returned to the vehicle, drove to room one 21. And, uh, the record shows also that he, he left and stated to the police that he did. So when he left the, the,

the one time away from her with the intentions of never coming back. So Brandy was at the hotel stranded for about eight hours before he came back again. During that time, she had three telephone conversations with her husband. They discussed plans for him to pick her up the next morning and all that sort of thing. There was no indication in the record that she ever mentioned being without her wallet or money at that point. So if he left with the car and the money, he would, she'd probably be telling her husband, I don't even have any money. I'm sitting here in a room with nothing.

I can't get dinner. I need cash. Right. I need something. So James testified during the trial that Brandy did not use banks. They didn't use the bank. during the trial that brandy did not use banks they didn't use the bank these this couple stating quote we always kept our money at home or on us what is it the fucking the depression what the hell are you doing there's also probably not a lot no but still fuck man um among the items

and the fact uh were like we said she had uh fifty dollar bills in her wallet of five to ones and two dollars and quarters. So also he there was other items he admitted taking from the crime scene were an empty pizza box and a plastic trash bag, which I don't think that would qualify as robbery and a death penalty statute. I don't know how what the value of a plastic trash bag is. Yeah, I don't think it's an empty crazy and an empty pizza box. I don't know what that I don a plastic trash bag is, but I don't think it's crazy. And an empty pizza box. I don't know what that is. I don't think it's very not affordable. No.

The investigator indicated the trash bag came from inside the hotel room, though. Motel, sorry. Found inside there were cigarette butts, a pink colored blade guard from a disposable razor, and a pizza crust. So, I mean, that all can be considered robbery. And a pizza crust. So, I mean, that all can be considered robbery in in closing here. The state's case, he said, quote, you were asked and you know all about CSI. Can you set that aside if it's not needed and return a verdict? And then I asked you that and you all said yes. So we ask you to hold. We asked to hold you to that. it's not necessary here and it's not needed the evidence is overwhelming so um goff later on will say that these tactics were putting jurors quote in a box saying they couldn't vote not guilty that way based on that which is it's just what da's do during the closing argument they said first off the shirt this is the da you can bring up you can bring the shirt up, please. This is the shirt.

He holds it up. Just look at the stain on the shirt. She told you there were droplets. Droplets. All right. These are where the buttons are missing. Does that look like what you would get by laying on somebody? Now, I know he says he was there for an hour and a half, and we're going to talk about that in a minute.

But that's a lot of blood, members of the jury. That's a lot of blood. Can you flip to the back lot of blood can you flip to the back please the back of the shirt look at these droplets that is blood in motion that's uh that is that is this and he motions with his arm like a slashing motion like he's going up back and then the blood's dripping on the back of his shirt back oh yuck uh yeah he said that's how that gets there that ain't lying on top of her how do you get blood on the back of your shirt when you're laying on top of a girl? What did he do? Lay on her and waddle onto the back, too? Please, please.

It makes no sense. Use your common sense. The shirt right there tells you he killed her. Yeah. That's that. So May 5th, 2005, Marissa Tomei comes up to the stand with all new evidence. She can't wait to talk about the vehicle mechanics of a Tempe. She pops in with all sorts of info about the white Mustang that we had no idea about and just springs him completely.

Yeah. Springs him completely. Ford Mustang has the same chassis as a Ford Thunderbird. They're built on the same frame. Therefore, they're not guilty. And everyone's like, she's right. She's right. They have the same motor and transmission.

Case dismissed. So the verdict comes in and the jury finds Goff guilty on both second degree arson and capital murder. So that's bad. That's bad. Sentencing comes up. It's a separate sentencing hearing, of course, obviously, and they try to get mitigating and aggravating factors is how that works here. Goff claims that the, quote,

that the record is replete with evidence which demonstrates the degree to which Goff is impaired mentally. Now he's mentally impaired again. He wasn't before. The record demonstrates that he has been diagnosed with bipolar disorder with psychotic features. In particular, Goff references his bizarre behavior at trial and his inappropriate laughter during questioning by police, as well as the testimony of both Dr. Van Rosen and Leslie Goff, his mother, during sentencing that Goff was suffering from the disorder the night Brandy was killed.

During the sentencing phase, Dr. Rosen stated that he interviewed Goff twice and explained the tests were used in an evaluation of Goff. He testified that Goff had a full-scale IQ score of 102, which is like dead average. So he can't say he's he's you know he doesn't have a gump situation going on he's not you and i better never get arrested for murder james because they're gonna be like these two giggle about death all the time that would be the whole thing did you hear what they said about organs being strewn about the room these two are fucking crazy well we that's they might think we're nuts then that's good yeah dr rosen believed that goff was quote trying very hard to convince him

that he did not have a mental disorder and that the results of the testing reveal that goff does not want to be seen as mentally ill which is why he said don't say i'm mentally ill in the beginning the testing further indicated to rosen that goth had a quote terrifically bad self-image and that goth has quote periods of high energy even excitement and that he has a strong tendency towards substance abuse well yes he has manic periods then he gets depressed and he has substance abuse issues to try to fucking welcome to being an adult motherfucker i was gonna say welcome to mental illness and shit. So the results of the inkblot test.

Oh, cool. They used an inkblot test. Yeah, those are great. He suggested to Dr. Rosen that Goff is, Jesus, this is the quote from Dr. Rosen. Goff is, quote, a gentleman who has periods. First of all, call him a gentleman. He removed organs from a woman's body with a fucking drawer rail. Let's not call him a gentleman. Because he saw a butterfly in the inkblots? He him a gentleman. He removed organs from a woman's body with a fucking drawer rail. Let's not call him a gentleman. Because he saw a butterfly in the inkblots.

He's a gentleman. No, I think he just said it as diagnosis of personality disorder with prominent antisocial and schizotypal traits, coupled with bipolar disorder and occasional psychotic features. Just an occasional psychotic feature now and then. It sounds like you're buying a car. That diagnosis sounds much more like somebody that will pull your organs out of a hole in your chest. That's much more like that, yeah.

Than gentlemen that just, you know, maybe leans on booze every now and again. He seems like he's selling you a car, though. It's got all-wheel drive. Yeah. It's got the good brake system. I got the nice sound package in there. We got the leather seats

and the occasional psychotic features, if you're looking for that, too. It's up on the dash. Here are all the buttons. And it's got schizotypal traits, too, running down the outsides. You can see that so those lines are very nice schizotypal traits are like racing stripes that's what they are yeah i don't know why my brain so uh those are your racing straps there boy well i got some racing straps on i'm looking at one of the schizotopple traits so uh with regard to the condition the night of the murder brad dr rosen

believed that goff was in the midst of a bipolar psychotic bipolar disorder psychotic episode okay so that's his you know what he's looking for as proof of aggravating factors the state presented evidence that he had been convicted of prior violent crimes, including the second degree assault and discharge of a gun in an occupied building and vehicle. That's what he went to prison for. That Goff's act of setting the motel on fire knowingly had created a great risk of death to many persons. Yeah, you could have killed how many fucking people? Untold. Untold.

That the capital offense had been committed while engaged in the commission of a crime of robbery he committed the capital offense to avoid lawful arrest and that the capital offense had been especially heinous atrocious and cruel that that i don't think that it goes without saying agreed uh initially he uh he during this goth directed his counsel not to present mitigation evidence to the jury. And then he eventually changed his mind, and the defense counsel presented evidence that he had a tumultuous childhood, as incestuous things happen, probably, that Goff was the child of an incestuous relationship,

that despite his average intelligence, he suffered from serious mental illness, and he's been suffering from a psychotic episode. So the jury finds the following aggravating circumstances that he previously was convicted of a crime that he knowingly created a great risk of death to many people that he was engaged in the commission of a robbery. everything and that he was heinous atrocious and cruel jury says you sir may fuck off death penalty all right mr god good and we're not enthusiasts for the death penalty but certainly deserve it if you're getting fucking young mothers and and disemboweling them like this in a fucking hotel room we have as a society we don't really have a place for you at that point right you don't come back from that there's no seat at the table really here for what we're talking about like this is crazy listen i

understand religious forgiveness and uh he's still welcome to your kingdom of heaven uh over time and tithing and praying and apologizing but he's not welcome in my fucking house yeah yeah i understand logic of just you know all the reasons why it's stupid because it never happens it's a waste of money it's this and that and all this shit but at the same time you know someone needs to fucking kill this guy like right like this is terrible man we can't have this guy walking around i can't have that guy ever have the chance of getting out based on the fact i don't want him working in a mcdonald's somewhere or paving my roads i don't want him doing anything in public i don't want him also

in jail with somebody who's in there for like dealing drugs or something they're not disemboweling people this is crazy like he's going to be dangerous to everybody he's convicted all plain out of her chest yeah he's also sentenced to 10 years for second-degree arson as well, so just in case. So he appeals, obviously. The crux of the whole appeal is the wallet, that the wallet wasn't stolen from the room,

therefore it's not in commission of a robbery, therefore no death penalty, just murder. So just plain old murder, Jesus Christ. So 12 issues on appeal here he raises, and we'll go through them extra fast. The trial court erred in failing to suppress evidence, which resulted from the unreasonable seizure of his basically saying they violated his Fourth Amendment rights by holding him on the side of the road there and searching his car. They already dealt with that in the pretrial. It's fine.

the side of the road there and searching his car they already they dealt with that in the pre-trial it's fine uh point two was the trial air court aired and permitting goff to act as his own trial attorney you fucking asked and begged to what what yeah the waiver of counsel and right to proceed pro se it's on there man he presents the issue whether the trial court aired whether it allowed him to waive a sixth amendment right um basically he didn't have total uh by himself they called it hybrid representation which means he's part of the legal team but he had two other attorneys paid attorneys there to assist him yeah so it's one of those things he does he always has assistance of counsel they said uh the defendant's accessibility to counsel, whether and how often he consults with counsel up to the point of request, the stage of the trial which he requests a participatory role in his defense, the magnitude of the role he desires to assume, whether the trial court encourages immediate and constant accessibility of the counsel.

Those are the parameters. They said it's clear from the record that his attorneys were not casual observers. Dean conducted conducted Vardir handled jury challenges, made numerous objections throughout the trial, conducted cross examination of Margaret of 10 different fucking people. them all a shitload of them right um by the way there was another woman during that they interviewed that they that testified during this named rachel that also classified herself as goff's girlfriend so this guy has game unbelievable he's got fucking game um so yeah they said that they you know participated in all this shit he was never without the full assistance of counsel uh point three the evidence in the case is insufficient to prove that he's guilty of capital murder. That's the robbery and the wallet.

And there's certain things like they said there's no biological evidence on the wallet, basically. So he's saying that there's no evidence that the wallet was ever in the motel room. He said it wasn't found among the crime scene items that were found on the floorboard of the vehicle

or in the pillowcase on the passenger seat. And they said that there's a lack of sufficient evidence to support that. They said that it says that there's no fingerprints on it, there's no blood on it from that, no biological evidence was found on the wallet. And the state failed to test the item for fingerprints. So they're saying the wallet, we don't know where the fuck it was. There's no blood all over it or anything like that. So the investigator said that she stated that she did not submit the wallet to crime scene laboratory for testing because there did not appear to be any biological evidence of any sort that required a submission so basically that's what he's going on also prosecutorial

misconduct saying that the csi effect speech was something uh that was bad you know that was no good and that uh no witness testified as to how the blood may have gotten on the back of his shirt and that the prosecutor was speculating about how the blood would got on the back of his shirt by making a sarcastic thing of how would he waddle around that's what they're saying here um uh he also another ineffective assistance of counsel point six here he says that a court erred by refusing to grant a properly submitted circumstantial evidence to theory instruction so he's saying the judge should have told them there's one theory saying he did it then there's another theory saying also you should look at the husband as well so why isn't that a thing so he also said uh the death

penalty must be death sentence must be vacated because the indictment failed to charge a death penalty eligible offense because they're saying you know if he didn't rob then that wasn't that and it goes all the way back to that and then also his execution by lethal injection is no good because of all the lethal injection drug issues at the time that's another one uh they said that error was committed when certain aggravating factors were submitted to the jury that's another thing uh he says that error was committed when certain aggravating factors were there in particular he says that it was not that there was insufficient evidence to support three of the aggravating factors that the killing took place while

commission of a robbery that he knowingly created a great risk of death to many persons you set a fucking motel on fire right you knew that could spread at night and kill people while they sleep. Jesus Christ. And also that the killing was committed for the purpose of avoiding or preventing arrest. So he does not challenge, though, that it was capital, that it was a fish that was especially heinous and cruel, which that'd be hard to go. It was fine. I thought it was a nice way to kill somebody. It's a fair fight. It's a fair fight. It was legal. It was legal.

He also says the court, this is the proportionality of his sentence, that he shouldn't have gotten the death sentence. He said, but the court says they find no proof that he of any mental defect to any degree with the exception of Dr. Rosen's testimony. And this testimony is based on Goff's unverified self-reporting of past problems this wasn't like in records or any bullshit like that while Dr. Rosen stated that Goff was not terrifically cooperative it's one way to put it Goff would not allow him access

to his past psychiatric records and that Goff provided only vague information in response to questions so also cumulative error finally the cumulative error requires the reversal of the conviction in the sentence in this matter. He says that the court, should they not find any one error sufficient to warrant reversal of the death sentence, the accumulation of such all of these errors, a little of column A and a little of column B, you throw in a piece of column C,

column a and a little column b yeah you throw in a piece of column c right you got yourself no death penalty i mean one thing that's a lot to ask for right you know little things like that um yeah that's what he says basically here so the conclusion is goff's conviction and death sentence were properly decided by a jury and they affirm both the conviction and the sentence this is the high court of mississippi but it's confirmed it's affirmed five to four so it's fucking close four people think no think no think the debt think he should be remanded for new sentencing because there was no proof that that wallet was in that fucking motel room which there really isn't any proof the wallet was in the motel room i don't know all we're going All we're going on is that she didn't say that she didn't have any money. So she probably had money in there.

So, I mean, as far as death penalty proof goes, that's pretty slim. It is. You know? I mean, it should be he disemboweled her with a goddamn fucking with a railing of a nightstand. You know how creatively sick that is she's dead there's your murder uh and how she died that should be enough yeah man it's it's fucking crazy it's wild um so the one judge says though here uh quote this is one of them here the evidence does not of course altogether eliminate the possibility that Goff stole the wallet in the same continuous transaction

that led to Mrs. Yates' death. As the majority correctly asserts, the record in this case does lend itself to the hypothesis that Mrs. Yates did in fact take her wallet in with her from Goff's car into the motel room and that Goff later robbed her of this article of personal property. I agree

that this hypothesis, obviously consistent with guilt, is a reasonable one and the jury could reasonably have inferred that from the evidence. The proof that this hypothesis obviously consistent with guilt is a reasonable one. And the jury could reasonably have inferred that from the evidence. The proof in this case, however, falls far short of excluding all reasonable hypotheses consistent with the innocence of robbery because the location of the wallet during golf's

barbaric act is a fact to which the evidence does not speak. I got to kind of agree with that based on the evidence and the evidence alone. And it is just as reasonable, if not more reasonable to infer the wallet remained in the car as golf returned to Alabama while he perpetuated this brutal murder and during his flight from the crime scene. So yeah. Yet the majority declines to analyze this hypothesis.

They're just not even fucking hearing it. Like it's clearly, obviously if you were looking were looking at legally there's no evidence for robbery but they're like it's fine fuck them like he took her spleen out we don't care that's the part that really puts it over it's she has parts of her that aren't inside her anymore yeah and are all over the room that are sitting on top of the crt fucking tube tv we got here this is bad it's a lot so yeah they talk about um the judge says they talk about the word wallet being absent from the account of the basically they're going into such detail of the account of the motel clerk didn't say that she took her license and put it in her wallet and walked away she just said she

took her license back and walked away so like it doesn't say she had her wallet then she might have just had her license but then at some point the license got back into the fucking wallet so sometime after she checked in she had possession of the wallet to at least put her license back whether she took it into the room or not we're not sure it's a goddamn fucking disaster we'll put it that way so uh they end up affirming this whole thing but it ends up going all the way to the supreme court of the united states the top one this asshole here so case was originally affirmed by the mississippi supreme court but then remanded back to the state from the supreme court and then was remanded by the Mississippi High

Court for a new sentencing hearing. He said he deserves a new sentencing hearing. So the sentencing hearing is supposed to happen in 2012, but it's held up by Goff undergoing mental treatment. He's got some mental health care he's getting. And the sentencing will resume when he's considered not to need treatment anymore so like he's been taken i think out of the jail into a mental like a facility yeah a mental care facility off of death row so that's pretty interesting here

uh so he does all of this he files a uh sought he's fought sought supreme court permission to file a post-conviction appeal it had It gets crazy how he went through all these high courts and all sorts of shit like that. The court said Goff's request has stayed indefinitely pending Goff's mental health treatment and noticed from the trial court that Goff is again competent to proceed. At such time, the state may file a motion to lift this court's stay and resentence him. So there's that. So July 13th, 2009 or or 2019, I'm sorry. This is two years ago. Yeah, a year and a half ago.

Goff's 43 years old. And on July 13th, he dies in jail. What? Just dropped dead in jail. They didn't release his cause of death. They just said that he was undergoing mental health treatment earlier this year he remained competent 43 as of earlier in 2019 he remained incompetent according to letters from the attorney general's office and we don't know what the cause of death was 43

probably that seems like he probably killed himself if i'm gonna guess yeah or who knows mississippi diet recessive gene from being you know a child of incest yeah his heart exploded somebody didn't like people who scatter fucking cocktail waitresses organs around a room there's lots of ways they could die um apparently it was the from the july 6th to the 16th seven prisoners in mississippi died wow like well out of like normal age range what is happening fucking crazy yeah the mississippi yes july 6 july 7th the 9th the 10th two people died the 13th goff died then the 16th howard goodwin died as well so these are all and two of them were death row inmates shit it's very odd they were there's this article about how many people die in the

mississippi system and it is just staggering it's staggering how many people die in that system they they don't give adequate health care number one it's not i mean jails in general and prisons the health care is bad they don't james the pills that they give them are all bootleg they're not brand things they're all shitty things some states are better than others though in terms of medical care and shit like that yeah some of these states uh mostly the southern ones are not like if you read the the book i was talking about for a long time about angola uh the guy goes undercover as a prison guard down there it is uh it's fucking disturbing it's at a for-profit prison in louisiana and he talks about angola too but this is a for-profit prison in louisiana and it is just it's wild they won't

do shit for you because if they give you anything that's taken right out of their bottom line right they're not going to give you pills they're expensive then they get paid less money fuck you i've been watching those uh warner herzog uh films on amazon or whatever about the death row in texas that's werner man oh man he sounds just like that guy from jango the german guy it's very strange that they sound exactly the same uh i love his he's such a good filmmaker werner's great oh because he's a he puts this he puts the cinematicness of a Hollywood film into a documentary, and most people don't do that. It's not just talking heads. It's little.

And I hate reenactments, too. Right, right, right. But he's still so good at them. When he interviews somebody, they say something that's poignant and very good, And then he he knows don't say shit. They focus the camera on that person's face and we'll let that statement just burn into whoever's watching. It's all it's fucking uncomfortable. That's the number one thing with documentaries. They don't hold it sometimes enough.

The goddamn person has to say something rather than letting something hang in the fucking air. Let it hang. Damn it. He gets film. That's you could tell he just gets good. He's good as shit. has to say something rather than letting something hang in the fucking air right let it hang damn it he gets film that's you could tell he just gets he is good he's good as shit so that everybody is loose dale mississippi and poor brandy stewart yates and uh james yates and the kids it's just fucking terrible that's a brutal i feel bad for those kids man they never got to like like their mom just left and then she was dead. Like there's no three weeks later inside.

Yeah. That's yeah. That's, that's just like, they didn't get any proper anything. Like they didn't expect that their mom's 29. Like that's, you don't expect that. So that's wild shit. If you like that wild shit, I know how you can tell the world about it. There's a way to do that.

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