Small Town Murder - #218 - Brazen Stupidity, Or Criminal Insanity? - Dry Prong, Louisiana

Episode Date: April 8, 2021

This week, in Dry Prong, Louisiana, a smell coming from a local mini storage unit causes police to uncover a dismembered & packaged body, neatly stacked inside. The investigation leads only one place, but the way it unfolded is quite the mystery. Will the culprit fill us in on exactly what happened? Are they brazenly stupid, or criminally insane? Plus, a special short bonus story, at the end, complete with horse vengeance!! Along the way, we find out that the Pecan Queen is the world's true royalty, that trying to kill someone is no reason to try to kill another person, and that if you see a corpse emerge from the ground, it might not actually be a zombie!! Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman New episodes every Thursday! Donate at: patreon.com/crimeinsports or go to paypal.com & use our email: [e-mail] Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder & Crime In Sports! Follow us on... twitter.com/@murdersmall facebook.com/smalltownpod instagram.com/smalltownmurder Also, check out James & Jimmie's other show, Crime In Sports! On iTunes, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts# See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Give me murder. Give me murder. Let's do this, Jimmy. Let's go. Let's go on a trip, shall we? Pitter patter. Let's do it. Let's head on down.

We were up in Illinois there, central Illinois. Now we're going to head straight south pretty much here. Go right on down we're uh we're up in uh illinois there central illinois now we're gonna we're gonna head straight south pretty much here go right on down right down right on down mississippi river and head on over to dry we're gonna boat it we can boat for some of it we're gonna head down on riverboat okay and paddle through the moss and then uh we're gonna get out on land we're gonna do a little lewis and clark action over the hills i want to shout mark twain yeah that's mark twain so we're going to dry prong louisiana okay sounds attractive dry prong right that sounds good that sounds painful is what it sounds like should be it's the only place in louisiana that's dry, apparently. Yeah, dry prong sounds really like some lube is necessary, I feel like. It's in central Louisiana, like right smack in the middle of it, just right there.

It's about three and a half hours down to New Orleans, about two hours over to Shreveport, which is northwest. It's kind of the opposite direction. And then three hours and 20 minutes down to home of Louisiana, which was our last Louisiana episode. It's been so long. Our last Louisiana episode was episode 126. Oh, shit.

Back in July. It was the 4th of July 2019. So, it's been almost two years since we've been to Louisiana. And that one was grimy as shit, too. That was. That was a grimy one, yeah. If you don't see us going to states, you're like, how come they haven't been in that state for a year and a half?

It's because that state doesn't get as many listens as other places. That's why. That's generally why. No one cares about Louisiana, apparently, unfortunately. But we've got to go there sometimes because they have crazy murders, so who cares? They do. This is down in Grant's Parish. parish as you know they don't have counties there they have parishes yeah this is grant which is in wards which makes it sound like a religious thing makes it sound like it's broken down into like church quadrants or some weird shit parish and

ward both are are uh religious terms they see yeah and i'd say that's what i think of it's area code 318 it's 0.14 square miles this is a tiny tiny little town out here you can tell that by the population when we get to that and the town motto i mean it's not much but i i like i like honesty in a town motto you know what i'm saying that's what i like i don't like it when you're don't sell me a bill of goods don't sugarcoat this shit. No, so this is good. Motto, quote, yeah, it's about as bad as it sounds. So, you know, I respect that.

I respect it. So, history of this town. It was incorporated, dry prong was, in 1945. But people were there, and it received its name back in the 1870s. Of course. But people were there and it received its name back in the 1870s. Of course. When a family moved here in the 1870s to build a sawmill. How about smack in the middle of Louisiana?

That'll be a good place. They had woods in central Louisiana? I mean, yeah, there's stuff there, I guess. When you look at all the houses, they don't really have any trees. It's kind of... I see like cattails and shit like that. That's kind of what it is. And like it's it looks like almost like an island. It looks like you're on like like Bermuda or something, but like not at the beach. Like a goddamn swamp.

Yeah, it's a strange place. So to power the mill, they built a water wheel only to discover that the creek over which they had built it went completely dry every summer. Oh, no. It just stopped. So, that was a bad deal. That makes this seasonal work. That's like shit. Well, sorry.

No wood in the summer, everyone. Only once the rain comes. They sure built this town fast if they didn't get through a summer. You know what I mean? Yeah, right. It was all winter. They started in fall and finished in spring. That's it.

They had no choice. So they called the creek a dry prong. So that's why it was a dry prong off of another tributary or whatever. So Grant was one of the several new parishes created by the Reconstruction legislature after the Civil War, obviously, here. It was founded in 1869, and it was named after Ulysses S. Grant, which made the people in Louisiana very happy, as you might imagine. They're not real – they weren't real in love with the North at that point or the army that conquered them. So sure. I feel like naming it Grant was probably bad. Like they had the they had the they were like a special sort of like like hated the North.

And it's like during the Civil War in New Orleans, they came up with because the north had general butler he was the guy who was you know in charge of the occupying forces there for the north so they put his picture on the bottom of like shit bowls because this is pre-plumbing so yeah like your bedside shit piss bowl there they put his picture on it and that was like a huge cellar down there during the civil war like stuff like that so they're it's like the hanoi jane sticker that they used to put in the urinals kind of the same thing but yeah so yeah so jesus and uh also the parish seat of colfax was named it for uh grant's vice president as well so they did that that's the town that's near here now uh there was a big problem

in 1872 they had a gubernatorial election and it was disputed leading to both parties certifying their slates of local officers and um the decision was disputed in several areas and uh yeah that's kind of how it went so basically people came to the courthouse thinking they won. And then other people came thinking they won. And then people who didn't get elected to shit, who just had an opinion on it, showed up and, you know, armed and state militia was squaring off with somebody else. And storming the Capitol. That's kind of what happened. They had an organized militia advanced on the courthouse on Easter Sunday in 1873.

Oh, my God. In the ensuing violence, about 150 people were killed. About 150 black people were killed and three white people were killed as well. Anyway, this whole thing went down and they put a, in 1921, they unveiled a 12-foot marble statue thing, a big plaque thing, that said, In loving remembrance, erected to the memory of the heroes, and then named a bunch of guys who fell in the Colfax riot fighting for white supremacy. That's what they put up. They're like, these poor white supremacists that fell. Does that still exist?

I have no idea if that still exists down there. I fucking hope not. Those two words shouldn't be near any legislation branch anywhere. Especially if they're saying, good on these guys for doing that. Don't celebrate them, number one. But also, let's not put plaques up with those two words on it. Yeah, that's a problem. So, reviews of this town.

People like it. I couldn't find a bad review which is odd when i considered like when i looked at it i found here's a five star quiet town in central louisiana good commute time okay uh the area is great with an with an active fire department i would hope so if something catches on fire they're gonna put it out that's all i'm saying. I mean, you call them, they come with hoses, man. It's pretty cool. Great commute time to what? To Shreveport, two hours away?

I think Alexandria is the closest nearby. But it's still nuts. There's like 40,000 people in Alexandria. It's not a big city. That's the capital of something, but not here. Baton Rouge is the capital here, right? Yeah, exactly. Schools are close by and great. Churches are nice. Churches are nice.

Churches are great. Nice, quiet park. Okay. Four stars. Love the small town where you know everyone. The downfall is there's a shortage of job opportunities. That's because there's nobody here. It's really very few things to do here.

And also that you know everybody. And you know everybody, which sounds like a goddamn nightmare. Right. Just a nightmare. Don't you just ever... Can you imagine being the guy that's out of work, looking for work, and you know everybody and you know everybody which sounds like a goddamn nightmare just a nightmare don't you just ever imagine being the guy that's out of work looking for work and you know everybody and every day you get a phone call did you find a job yet yeah fuck why do i have to know everybody to have to go around and sometimes you just want to go to the store and get something and come home you don't want to talk to five fucking people and how's your grandma my grandma's fine yeah she's good and then yeah no no she's

okay and how's your sister i'm still unemployed go fuck yourself still looking for a job nope they took our house about a month ago um yeah no no we're staying at my mother's house it's uh it's a little tight not gonna lie yeah feel better about yourself now you're happy you inquired you're gonna go home and feel better about your own life? Thanks. I felt fine because I forgot about how shitty my life was for a second. Then you told me about how great yours is, and I was reminded. So here's a five star.

It's a small, quiet town. Great to raise a family, but not much to do in the area. The commute time anywhere is is about 15 minutes which is not bad at all so everybody they're very low bar here it's just like i don't know it's not bad people don't break into my house and try to kill me on a daily basis so it's pretty good they don't there's that it's they're pretty casual the the most population this place ever had was around 1980 and that was 526 people so that's the most and that's kind of retracted a little bit population right now 454 people doomed souls wander this place nothing that's a small town man uh it's up 20 since 1990 so people have been trickling in uh it's kind of average on male and

female the median age is low it's like 34 as opposed to 37, which is normal. But there's a shitload of 0 to 4-year-olds, 25 to 34-year-olds, and 65 to 74-year-olds. Those are like the only demographics that have people. Fascinating. So the 65 to 74-year-olds have the 25 to 34-year-olds who now have zero to four-year-olds is what it seems like. And they all just stay there. Did one generation just leave? Do you know what I mean?

I mean, it looks like more people have come, but I feel like, yeah, there's a gap in there. Right. Seems like a generation got smart. If you're 67 and you have a 34-year-old, I guess that's normal, right? That would be normal, I guess. But maybe they just waited longer to have kids. Who the hell knows? Possible.

It's kind of a family town when it comes to this shit. Like 60% of the population is married. It's normally 50-50. There is less single people with no children. All of those factors where you can tell it's not a party town. It's a settle down and go to church on Sunday kind of town. Race of this town, 97.1% white. Maybe that statue is still there.

Who knows? 0.0% black. Zero. Not a black person in Louisiana. I'm sorry. That sounds on purpose. I've never been there. I don't know.

But that's not what in louisiana have you ever been to louisiana yeah there are a lot of black people in louisiana that'd be like in georgia be like are you kidding me i get come on man james you're discounting the fact that white supremac's true. The two words together. We're on a fucking plaque. So maybe that would be. Maybe that would be. You'd leave too. Yeah, probably. 0.9% Asian. I mean, 1.3% Hispanic.

So it's just pretty white. Now, the religion here is a little less than normal. It's about 46%, which was surprising for me, honestly. But this is not surprising. 38.5% of the people here are Baptists. My God. Baptists are, Jimmy, half percent of the people here are Baptists. My God. Baptists are, Jimmy, the Catholics of the South. And it's hardcore there.

Yeah. Zero point zero percent Jewish. Zero point zero percent Muslim. Politically, 13 percent of the people voted Democrat in the last election. Eighty four percent Republican. So pretty, pretty, pretty one sided there. Unemployment rates about double the national average here at the moment. Yeah.

Household income pretty low, too. Normally it's about $57,500. Here it's about $38,500. So that's a little bit low. Over 50% make under $40,000 a year. Oh, my God. So it's rough down there and most of the jobs like over twenty percent of the jobs are in retail trade which is tough it's just

people selling shit to each other well i get off cash register yeah i'm gonna buy this now i get off at five and then i'll come over and buy that from you then all right that's we're just selling each other things it seems like if everyone's working in retail, it's not good. Cost of living here, 100 being regular average. Here it is 82.9. So not as low as you'd hope for. Not low enough, no. The housing is low, though. The housing is a 42 out of 100, making the median home cost here $98, is that's very affordable 42 percent of the houses here are

worth under 100 000 a year 42 percent are worth under 100 000 here so it's a it's interesting what must those look like that's well we're gonna find out in a minute here with the dry prong, Louisiana Real Estate Report. Your average two-bedroom rental here, if there's one available. Some of these low populations, it's hard to find rentals. But it's about $750, which is well under the national average. Yeah, almost $1,300. Still probably too much.

I found a three-bedroom, two-bath, 1,296-square-foot house on Hog Island Road. I thought that was a funny name. It's on one acre of land, so that's good. Problem is the house looks like an inbred murder house. It looks like whole inbred murder house. It looks like, you know, whole families would fuck each other and then lure in outsiders to fall upon them and dismember them. That's what the house

looks like. It smells lovely in there. Droopy ceiling fans in every room, Jimmy. No! You know that droopy that we always talk about where it's like... Even the ceiling fans sad. It's sad and that's the sign of a house that's given up right there. Yeah.

That's the mark of a demo place. That's what that is. This is a total redo. Now, look at the fans. They didn't care about that. And that's an easy fix for $70. And they didn't care about anything, I have a feeling. The drywall is rotten, too.

Let's get rid of it. What do you think? They kept up on the electrical? I doubt it. Down to the studs. Pull the wire. 69,900 bucks, though. It's exactly what it is.

Exactly, on an acre. Here we go. You just want to pitch a tent. Maybe you want to build your own little inbred murder hut. All right. 10.2 acres. Holy shit. Of Louisiana, which is a lot.

Yeah. Not much on it. It looks pretty barren. There's not a lot going on here. 47,500 bucks, though. For 10 acres. For 10 acres. There's not a lot going on here. $47,500, though. For 10 acres? For 10 acres. I don't know.

You could go. Holy shit. That's a lot of land for $47,500. This place is like a yard sale where you actually buy yards. It's the pawn shop of real estate markets. It's a very strange place. It's the Costco of yards. You can buy them in bulk.

In bulk for very cheap. Well, if you buy 10 acres, we'll give it to you for $47.5. It's very cheap. More is less. You just gotta buy the 10-acre bucket. That's the only thing. Oh, Jesus. I found a three-bedroom. You must own

the retail store here. Three-bedroom, three-bath, 2457 square- retail store here, three-bedroom, three-bath, 2,457-square-foot house. Pretty nice. T-Bowl for every b-hole, that's something. 6.67 acres. Not bad. Pretty new-looking, but inside it's like half-updated. Like, the sink is updated, but that's not updated.

It's very weird. It's got some history. Half-and-half weird things going on. $294, but that's not updated. It's very weird. It's got some history. Half and half weird things going on. $294,900 for this, though. Oh, I love them weird. I like that one. It's a weird house, man. Yeah.

So, things to do here. And I left some time. Oh, I can't wait. Because there are some good things to do here that we need to talk about. First of all, the Louisiana Pecan Festival. Oh, yeah. Oh, baby. Is it pecan or pecan? don't know i think it's regional

right i think it's a regional thing i think it's one of those words where enough people say it either way that who gives a fuck yeah unless you live in louisiana yeah and because they don't say louisiana they say louisiana yeah and if you've got a pecan tree down there you say it how we say i'm sure or you get no pecan pie. Thank fuck, because apparently I found out allergic to pecans. So the last thing I would want is, my whole life I didn't like pecans, and now I know why, because I was also allergic to them. Yeah, those, it's walnuts, coconuts, pecans are my three.

I hate coconuts anyway, and I don't like pecans. Yeah, coconut's not your jam you hate the texture yeah probably because it made my throats close up also when i was a child i don't like the texture it makes my throat close is that the texture makes me not be able to breathe don't you hate it when you chew something and the texture of it makes your lungs constrict isn't that rough that weird when that happens? What the fuck? You just want to reach down your throat and scratch it.

You know that feeling? Yeah, totally, because it's the... You don't want to reach down your throat and open your lungs because you can't breathe because the texture's too bad? What are you saying? I'm such an idiot. I'm so stupid. I can't tell you jimmy i was eating walnuts by the handful god man it's so strange how they give you chest pains isn't that weird the not breathing is delicious strange how my mouth's swollen my throat closes very odd i don't

know that happens i guess is it the lack of oxygen that makes them taste so much better? I think so. They take you to a dream state. You're laying back and being fed walnuts like they're grapes. The dream state. The dream state, man. They make me dizzy. Jesus Christ, I'm a moron. So the Pecan Festival, not a place i want to be basically here because

it's going to be a lot of shit i don't like and will hurt me so is it just a bunch of muffins and pies anyway well not exactly the big things are the pecan royalty that's the big thing they have to elect get out of here oh no they have to elect. Get out of here. Oh, no. They have to elect, first of all, the pecan queen, number one. You must all bow before the pecan queen. She's coming. The pecan queen. The queen's pageant held prior to the festival, because you have to know who's going to preside over it, obviously. Sure.

I mean, Jesus Christ officially kicks off the festival, and the Louisiana pecan festival queen and her court are selected from contestants from all over the state of Louisiana. Once selected, it's her duty to reign over the festival, attend the Queen's street dance held on Friday night of the festival, and be the official ambassador to Louisiana's pecan industry. That's a lot. 97% white people at a dance festival oh boy oh boy dancing about nuts can't wait dancing about i just figured it's all the guy from best in show with the with the nuts it's uh pecan nuts we got pine nuts it's all christopher guest with his nuts it's a whole bunch of men with no bent knees trying to dance with the pointer finger

out a lot of a lot of point jab a lot of pointing and jabbing i like that that's good now uh fuck the reigning current and reigning uh pecan queen is bailey grace thompson who is the 51st louisiana pecan festival queen it says on the site she enjoys running, fishing, duck hunting, and being a great hostess. I'm sure she's fine. What year is this? Yeah. She enjoys putting together a nice hors d'oeuvre plate for her husband's friends.

It's hilarious. Apart from the operation of a gun, that is very old-fashioned. Want to be the next Louisiana Pecan Festival queen? Click here to find out how. Also, you can maybe be in the Louisiana Picanettes. What? They're also festival ambassadors. This energetic dance team is made up of high school students from across Grant Parish,

and they perform throughout the festival, march in the Grand Parade on Saturday, and travel to other fairs and festivals to entertain and promote the Louisiana Pecan Festival. Oh, boy. They're doing road games, too? Oh, they got road games. Ladies and gentlemen, the Pecanettes. They're doing a whole routine like a 90s NBA dance squad.

Yeah, that's what I picture it. Like if you're at a halftime in 1995 at the NBA. That's basically what it is. So there's a cooking contest. The blessing of the crops at some point they have here. Children's Day. Treble Hook. I don't know who that is, but they're on the main stage.

The Louisiana Lottery main stage. They have an antique tractor show. Yeah. The Picanets are performing. They're opening for Avery Michaels and Exit 209. Okay. Followed by the Queen Street Dance. Then Johnny Earthquake and earthquake and the moon dogs are performing

there is so bad there's a grand parade a country store a carnival the parade results presentation of queen and court uh the rusty yates band which sounds like some sort of sexual thing that you do to somebody i gave her a guy named rusty and his two brothers i gave her a rusty yates brother she ain't never gonna forget that boy oh man uh so fucked up i barely remember it thank god i videoed it because boy i'm never gonna forget a rusty yates after after anything rusty became a sex move don't you stop going by rusty i think so because we had rusty just go by russ from now on rusty medina will now be replaced by Rusty Yates, by the way, because that sounds even more sexual. So there's all of that. They canceled it for 2020, and they put this out instead.

This is great. The board has asked our reigning Louisiana Pecan Festival royalty to continue their ambassadorships. their ambassadorships the uh current louisiana pecan festival queen bailey thompson teen queen callie petrie and ms queen i guess that's a an older lady stephanie mcdowell have graciously agreed to continue their reigns until the november 2021 festival we didn't have to hold it together for one more year yeah we'll run it take a free free second term. Shit. Yeah, that. And then nearby is the Louise, the Louisiana Mudfest, Jimmy. Oh, I'm into this. The subtitle trucks gone wild. Let me show you what this looks like, Jimmy.

Oh, yeah. Except for every single man being shirtless and covered in mud not a shirt shirt in the crowd not a shirt 30 guys there and that's the other thing i see one woman in this entire picture yeah she does have she has a bikini top on but she's also covered in mud everyone is covered in mud and shirtless and there's 30 people and seven trucks amongst them seven trucks their money and buy them 30 men seven trucks one woman bad ratio all around that's off not good and uh they say that uh the place it's held on says we're a family-owned business located in southwest grant parish louisiana we house 300 plus acres for people

to come out and relax, ride in the mud, fish, or even catch a concert or two. Oof. Doesn't matter how old you are or if you even have anything to ride. Just pull up a lawn chair or drop the tailgate of your truck and let the people entertain you. These shirtless, mud-covered people are going to entertain you. You don't even have to have a shirt.

Come on down. Come on down. No shirt required. Matter of fact, no shirts allowed. We just changed it up a little bit on you. shirt all the service that's right that's how where you cover yourself in mud we consider that a shirt that's a mud shirt you got there spelling uh crime rate in this town what we're interested in property crime is about 20 under the national average so low uh violent crime though murder rape robbery and of course assault the mount rushmore of crime is right about average for every for america so yeah you know it's um an average

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but we're going to go back to the nineties to catch up on, on a particular person here. Set some shit. Let's set, let's set the table, Jimmy. Let's do this. Let's talk about betty ann findlay okay f-i-n-d-l-a-y it's spelled like every other thing it's spelled uh with an e sometimes l-e-y really that's the actual it's like the shithole in ohio finlay yeah finlay um now she has had some legal issues.

In 2004, she's 47 years old. And through the 90s, she's had some problems. She has a problem with particularly writing checks for things she doesn't have money for. That's a big issue that she does. And a lot of people do that. It's harder now, but that was a big thing like that people did in the 80s and 90s you float some money i'll put some money in the account later that kind of thing because it's not it's a weird any crime because we always say this about

computer crimes we were talking about financial stuff on crime and sports and people doing shit on computers that's so traceable you're gonna get caught but you're not gonna get caught right when you do it no it's not like if you walked into a bank and robbed it with a gun and then ran out and five cops came up and fucking said you know whatever and had guns and made you arrested you you can get arrested right there but for this you kind of check you're gonna go home and have the thing you just bought yeah you know i look to enjoy it for a little bit it's that weird some people have this weird thing of like i know that i'll get caught but i don't i'll put that out of my mind for now and i'll just enjoy they figure that's that's so far down the road yeah maybe i'll have the money to pay for i can just

make it right later yeah but i don't think a lot of people i don't think like this she doesn't have any intention of this i don't think because she has a bunch of problems just writing bad checks for shit she has no intention of paying for yeah 1993 1994 uh she's charged with two counts of forgery they believe she took two checks from her job see this is you're gonna get caught man oh yeah sandifer and son's construction company she had i guess access to the checkbook and she decided to steal a couple for herself and write and she cashed two checks for a total of 944 dollars and 82 cents such a small amount of money to be risking like that it's but it seems like that was like a uh not a round number so she hoped it wouldn't catch you know anybody's attention possibly it feels like it's one of those things she thought she could get away with it,

but in the end, they're going to look through that and find out who did that. It's you, and there you go. You're fucked. So she was brought to court on a charge of forgery for that. She pleaded guilty to forgery. She pleads guilty, and she is given a one-year sentence but suspended.

So she was put on probation which then ended in 1996 so that was a she had she had a problem with a personal check before that but then she had this is a step up in the escalation to certainly escalate that's somebody else's money yeah when you fuck with your own money and dick around whatever oh yeah i could never steal from jobs like i could never do that because it's always like i don't know that's just not did but yeah but yeah like i didn't want to yeah it was just there also you're wearing steel and cash you know i don't want to blow up your spot but i don't know if you could get fired for this now, but years ago, you took some batteries from the electric company that they give to you guys in bulk. They have a warehouse room full of them.

I was stealing cash from one of my first jobs. Oh, from your first job. I'm talking now. She was a 30-something-year-old. Oh, God, no. In a career? No, I don't steal shit from anybody. She was a 35-year-old woman when she's doing this.

I'm talking post 20 years old. Yeah, there you go. Straight edge. Yeah. Some reason if you're a kid, you feel like it's almost like you're not in the real world yet in your own brain there. You're like, oh, this is a job. So it's kind of like stealing from my parents. I guess I don't know.

That's what teenagers think sometimes, which is not a good thing to think. That's what teenagers think sometimes, which is not a good thing to think. That's bad. Well, it's also the side that I saw when I was young that I was like, they're paying me $4.25. That's the other thing. They can afford a little more. That's the other thing. Yeah. I think I had a job when I was 18 where I'd swipe a pack of cigarettes once in a while

because I'd be like, for what the fuck are you fucking paying me? Bullshit. You make me want to smoke god damn it so yeah my frustration here and you can rationalize it to yourself but to steal 944 and 82 cents in checks is that's excessive i think there that's a it's a bit much and it's a check so it's a paper trail um she ends up pleading guilty like we said now in september 1996 she is uh in august 1996 or her her uh probation's up so she's a free woman free woman ready to go so then in september of 1996 uh she commits bank fraud so she has control over herself if she waited until she was off fucking probation to do this yeah but right

yeah she uh ends up she's 39 years old she's arrested by police after she opened an account at an alexandria credit union under fraudulent circumstances then tried to withdraw money from the account so she tried to put like a worthless check as a deposit and then withdraw cash on that you can't do that. And so she yeah, she's charged with one count of bank fraud and booked into jail here. She was arrested after opening was the Alexandria Telephone Employees Credit Union. I don't know if she's a telephone employee, but it was an altered check. And then that she put in there. I guess it was...

What the fuck does she think she is? She tried to... Yeah, she altered a check for a larger amount and then deposited it and then tried to withdraw funds on that check, basically. They won't figure this out. No, they'll never figure it out. This is the fourth time she's been arrested since 1992 for checks. For financial. Forgery and shit like that she's been convicted of a total of

five felony offenses including forgery and theft over 500 and issuing worthless checks since 1992 so she's this she's a problem this is uh she's a repeat offender she waited till she got off probation and then did it again so it's like sure if you're a judge, you're a little bit pissed off at her. She pleads guilty, I assume, to try to get some mercy here. But she has given you, ma'am, may fuck off a five-year sentence suspended. But still, that's hanging over you. Yeah, it's there. But yeah, that sucks.

And I feel like that's a little light. Keep it clean for five years now. Five years or else you're going to Louisiana State Prison, which I have looked into a lot of shit with prison and stuff. And Louisiana seems like top five worst places to go to prison in this country. And, you know, by far, it always sticks with me. and you know by far it always sticks with me i am shocked that more people do not ask harry connick jr about his father his father was a fucking monster oh yeah is still alive i was fucking monster i was reading a lot of these where guys like uh you know convicted in 83 executed in 86 i'm like jesus exonerated in 87 what the fuck happened a lot it happens a lot so yeah this is uh

there's prison system down there is uh it's it's all based on fucking grift and graft both yeah both grift and graft it's uh they have a conveyor belt to the electric chair is what it is it's awful not only that they don't the the conditions are fucking horrifying in the prisons down there. They're horrifying. And they have for-profit prisons there, which are way worse than the state prisons, which are horrible. If you read American Prison by a guy named Shane Bauer, he's a reporter, not even a reporter, a writer,

who I don't know if he is a reporter or what, but he's a writer either way. And he, on purpose, went undercover as a prison guard in the for-profit system down in louisiana and was just like it's fucking unreal it's unreal you you'll hear that and it's like this is just this is just throwing and anybody who pays taxes down there should be really pissed off because it's a company just stealing your tax money and not doing what they're supposed to do with it, basically, because they're not. And they've got lobbyists to go into the government to bend the rules in their direction to keep them in place. And it's fucked up. And the thing is, you can say, oh, I don't care about them prisoners, fuck them prisoners, whatever.

But at the same time, the problem is when you violate their civil rights and they sue, then you have to pay them. So when this probably care about those prisoners because they're imprisoned wrong. Part of that they're going to sue you about it. Part of the for profit system is the lawsuits don't go to the prison. They go to the fucking state. So that's all part of the contract that they have no like liability for anything basically that's crazy it's it's it's asinine they have the medical care is horrible it's it's really disturbed and what they pay the guards to this guy this was in the 2010s and this guy was making like you know fucking 925 an hour or some shit he was making nothing people were like i'm just waiting for a position at walmart to open up because it pays more that's literally why they were being prison guards with fucking murders like that's wild shit so anyway uh she's got that uh hanging over her head here so uh in

july of 1997 with that hanging over her head she is charged with issuing worthless checks again. She's got to stop with the checkbooks. That's what I'm saying. But this ends up being somehow thrown out after a while. I don't know if there was not enough. I don't know if they didn't collect the evidence correctly or whatever it is. So it ends up getting thrown out in 2001, just in time for her to, in April 2001, be charged with identity theft. Oh, boy.

So, yeah, well, she's... At least she's probably getting smart and doing it in somebody else's name now. I was going to say, she's progressing in her scheme. Trying to figure out how to not get caught. She's not writing personal checks or signing work checks with her own name. I guess that's probably, you know, something.

But still, she pleads guilty at this point. And now it's no more. They're done with the suspended sentences for her at this point, I would say. And she needs it, I would say here. And she is given, you ma'am, may fuck fuck off one year of hard labor with the department of correction holy shit yeah they still do that down there too in louisiana hard labor yeah some of these some of the prisons are farms still that's what they are they're farms that's unbelievable it's that's yeah think what does that sound like it's really interesting it's but there's no there's

fucking farms and uh and the farms aren't even profitable either. That's the other thing. It's just for punishment. The farms aren't profitable anymore. It costs more to run them than it does to whatever. They just harvest the food for the inmates only? Kind of. It's not for animals, too.

It's not like the farm used to make a profit back in the day when they had to you know when nobody they really had no fucking uh sure didn't take care of the prisoners at all so now it's it's a little bit different but it's still they still have farms and shit so um she also uh she's gonna get a fine here in the whole deal so she's ends up at 2001 she ends up out of prison at some point here 2002 ish and she meets a man okay so she meets a man and she starts a relationship with him his name is marlin keith smith yeah marlin with an i marlin okay like the fish like the fish not like not like the brando so he's uh he's 49 years old 2004, so he's two years older than her. But an age-appropriate, I guess, relationship.

She finds a guy. He's a small guy. He's 5'7". Got brown hair, blue eyes. That's about all. There you go. But, you know, about 145 pounds. Little guy.

So Marlon Keith Smith. He goes by Keith, though. Doesn't like the marlins a little too fancy for him i think a little too flashy i feel like he's saying makes me sound like i own a boat you know what i ain't a like a like a caribbean kind of man you know what i mean i feel like i should own like a pair of white pants if i if i have that name keith sounds more like a windboat captain that That's my kind of speed. Keith sounds like you take a boat on the swamp and you look out for gators and you go, oh, there's one popping his head out.

And a head with a stump. So they get in a relationship and they move in together. So Keith and Barbara live together here. So isn't that nice? Or Betty, I said Barbara. Jesus Christ. Betty. Oh, because his mother's name is Barbarabara i knew there was a barbara in the story that's what happens when you read the whole thing and you're doing all this shit and you have names floating around in

your head so betty and keith live together and they live also with keith's mother barbara which we all know there's nothing better for a budding relationship when we first move in together than to live with somebody's elderly mother. That's always a plus. Yeah, always a plus. Just ask a 90 day fiance cult there and see how that worked out there with Deb. And he's got giant tits. Jimmy, you got to see this guy's tits. He shouldn't be allowed to go on television without a covering.

Like if women can't show their tits, he should not be allowed to go on television without a covering like if women can't show their tits he should not be allowed to show his tits absolutely not he's got like a solid c cup that has baffled me for quite some time why guys at baseball games get to like pull their shirt off with their with their tits oh and dude mush them together and like oh you know i mean yeah they're having people rub them their friends motorboating them for christ's sake in the next fucking seat over kidding me you can get if you got enough tit to get motorboated you got to cover it up unless women are allowed to walk around too and that's fine i don't care about that i don't care whose tits are out but if she someone's got to cover his big tits or they're like Jimmy they're not even just like chubby like

he's got he's got some hang there no it's like you could see it's it's so strange Jimmy he's got like got shape big shape to them yeah like he had like he had them done like he had them done and he's got it's just gross and fucking

you if you've seen it looks like he had him he was like you know what i'm a b cup right now but i'd like to knock it up to a c nothing crazy i'm not trying to you know i'm trying a nice teardrop you know what i mean you know i'd like the shape to be a little bit better around the around the under tit i'd like the under tit to have a nice believe i'd like the under tit to have a nice swing to it if you know what i mean that's all i'm looking for I'd like the undertale to have a nice swing to it, if you know what I mean. That's all I'm looking for.

That's I don't know how we got on that. But oh, living with an elderly woman. Yeah. Living with an elderly woman as when you start a relationship. So Barbara Smith lives there and she's I mean, he's forty nine. So she's no spring chicken here, Barbara at all. So now Keith and Barbara living or Keith and Betty living with Barbara. After a little bit of time that goes by, the police are alerted to a number of forged checks that had been written from Barbara Smith's bank accounts. Keith's mom.

And, you know, they see that they go, oh, boy. And then they say, who lives in the house? Oh, a woman who can't stop forging checks. OK, well, that's a that's the place to start. So they did were like oh there's more that we didn't even notice so she is so stupid it's never the first time when you notice it when you notice that you you got to have that pit in your feet in your stomach you have to know right then how long there is this has been going on a long time now i have to chase this down how long it happened to me they were doing it 80 at a time oh that's right yeah and they'd got it like eight times. And I was like, oh my God, I'm broke.

Stop it. Why is this happening? I'd like to spend $80. Yeah. Willy nilly. I saw the first one and then I was like, what is that balance? Oh my God, there's a lot missing. And then I started looking back and I was like, two, three, four.

And then I went to the bank and they were like, yeah, it's a long time bud yeah i know yeah thanks for the fucking tip that's your fault man jesus christ this was in miami i'm clearly not in miami jesus yeah obviously you see the same day when i had a fucking charge in west phoenix that was that was charged 10 minutes ago yeah i'm standing in front of you in phoenix arizona you dumb shit oh god i wonder if they went in there if barbara went in there and yelled at the bank employees like that that would have been great it's an old lady giving it she did just giving it to the bank they're like we didn't do it yeah some louisiana voice yeah really hollering sounding like uh adam sandler's mom there sound like kathyates in Waterboy, just laying down the law, threatening to bring her alligator in there to get him.

Well, she's eating one in her hand, laying apples. Yeah, right? So they do this investigation. As it's going on over the course of it, Barbara, the mother, Keith's mother, begins to feel ill and has to go into the hospital multiple times for her illness. They think it's stress related. She's an older lady. They're checking her heart. They're checking all of her vital organs and all this type of shit. And the physicians are unable to diagnose anything wrong with her.

They can't find anything. She has no diseases. She doesn't find anything. She has no diseases. She doesn't have cancer. She's not, you know. You've got to calm down, Barb. Yeah, so maybe it's some sort of anxiety. This includes not only feeling like shit, but slurred speech and difficulty standing.

Oh, no. So, yeah, this is like they thought she had a stroke, probably. That was the initial thing. She's an older lady. They figured out she probably had a stroke and she didn't have a stroke and she's fine so they're like okay now what um so uh she would enter the hospital she'd get treatment start to improve but then she'd be released and have a relapse and have to come back to the hospital so this was a ongoing thing for you know a month this is going on finally after like a month they at first they just thought who knows maybe whatever we'll just keep doing tests finally they

said let's run a toxicology screen on her and see what the hell's going on because they didn't know if maybe sometimes they say that you know sometimes people will fake symptoms or take drugs to mimic symptoms to get attention. So they didn't know maybe that was the case. Who knows? Everybody loves that. Who knows? So they have to, yeah, they do a toxicology screen and it reveals high levels of Ambien, which will give you slurred speech and trouble standing up.

Yeah, but you generally remember taking that. up and uh but you generally remember taking that uh also hydrocodone and other opiates in her system my god that were not consistent with her you know normal prescriptions that she takes yes you know her her uh rattler there so not consistent with their snorting ambient yeah so what they ended up doing uh is they couldn't figure it out so police said to you know get samples of everything that she ingests and they end up testing a cup that betty uh gave barbara her morning coffee in and found hydrocodone and ambien in the cup so um oh no uh yeah and they said the the uh lab said that the amount found in the cup was sufficient to prevent her ability to walk that day so that's wow there's a lot there's a shitload in there she really loaded her up so enough to not walk enough to not walk in ambient and hydrocodone yeah that's

a lot that's a lot of uh it's a lot of shit yeah so i don't know what she's trying to get her to not realize what's going on. But once it's in the police's hands, it really doesn't matter if Barbara doesn't know what's going on. They still busted you. So it's really fucking strange here. But they ended up, the checks were all forged at stores and shit like that. Barbara ended up losing more than 3500 from this little scam it's a lot what does she buy that's a lot in stores and shit she's buying things and writing checks on that's on five different occasions so she was buying is she

a shopping addict that's what i mean i don't know what it is it says she needs to do she has to steal it's so weird it's a is she who uh commercials work on you know what i mean yeah i think so she's like i have to have it i don't have the money oh fuck it i'll drug an old lady and steal her money that sounds fair the room store has a president's day god damn it this. I need a chaise lounge, you fucking asshole. Look at it. It's beautiful. It's on sale. All of our stuff is gross.

We're saving money by stealing ours. Come on. It's only $3,500. So it comes up here in November that the family, Barbara ends up moving out of their house is how this works. Barbara moves out of the house, the mother into a relative's house. And then Barbara moved out of her own, her own house. Yeah. Into a relative's house, I guess, to keep away from the fucking Miss Poison over here.

So at some point in November, the family just starts going we haven't heard from keith in a while yeah have we heard from keith has keith called you keith hasn't called me have anyone heard from keith and it's been like weeks since we've heard from fucking keith where the hell is keith this is super this is super strange so they try to get a hold of him they can't find him uh he uh you know he's nowhere to be found so betty says oh well yeah we've been having money troubles obviously since i've been kiting checks on my uh on his mother's account so i've been borrowing her money without telling her yeah so uh he found work in new mexico and he went off to new mexico to work for a while so you know he said

they've been she's like we speak on the telephone all the time and shit like that but uh three states away he's fine yeah he's fine he's just over there he had to go there this was on november 12 2004 is when they said he was missing they still put out like kind of a missing persons thing for him 160 pounds five foot seven'7", blue eyes, brown hair. You know, please call the sheriff's department if you have information. We're worried about him. Yeah, we're worried about this little guy. Bring him back.

That's what they'd say about me. God damn it. Anybody seen this little fella? We're missing him. Shit. Bring him on back now. If I went missing and somebody saw my stats, somebody would go, aw. Look at that.

Well, he says he's 5'9", but I don't buy it. That's what they'd say. Yeah, because that's what the DMV. I didn't even write. I've never written that in my life. Never once. That got written in like 1997, and it's what the DMV, I didn't even write, I've never written that in my life. Never once. That got written in like 1997 and it's just stuck ever since? It would never have happened.

I never wrote that and they put it on my license. That's beautiful. So now everywhere I go, I got to write that down because whenever you sign up. Yeah, it's got a match up on your license. They're like 5'8". So your license says 5'8". Yeah, but they're fucking crazy look at me i'm obviously they're giving me a lot of credit you understand i'm wearing boots and i'm still not there so you get one like it's like i've got a big game sunday they want to intimidate the fucking wide receivers

what are we doing with this why are we doing this oh man uh christ so yeah he's a little guy he's missing poor little he's a little key poor guy poor guy he's you're just upset that they're calling him a little guy so she um she said that um you know he's in new mexico it's all good don't sweat it so they contact barbara on this is the detectives contact bar not barbara betty betty finley on november 11th and they um she says well i'll tell you what i'm supposed to talk to him tonight i'll make sure he calls his family and shuts them the fuck up later okay he'll call his family the next day he never calls his family so detective yeah so they continue to keep coming back and talking to Betty Finley.

And she told them that she talked to him several times. She keeps talking to him. And then she says, I'll have him call you in a couple days when he's supposed to call me. As soon as we get off the phone, I'll say, you need to call that detective and tell him what's what here. Call the cops. Your mom. Call the cops. Call the cops. Your mom, call the cops. Call the cops, damn it.

Yeah. So this time, he didn't call again, obviously. And they're like, Betty, he's not calling. She's like, that bastard, he is so irresponsible. This is where he just goes off to New Mexico and doesn't even call anybody. This is crazy. What a jerk. So, yeah, his family said they hadn't talked to him since October, and this is crazy what a jerk so um yeah he would been his family said

they hadn't talked to him since october and this is mid-november so they're like where six weeks yeah where is this guy here um so they uh they you know they're talking they want to find him obviously because they can't find any record of him and he's not calling anyone he doesn't answer his phone none of that shit because it's 2004 he's got a cell phone sure so um you know she continues to to promise telephone calls and all this type of shit so finally the detectives are like why don't we check her phone records and make sure she's talking to him that's a good way to find out if we're just waiting waiting for nothing here so telephone records show that zero calls were made to or from new mexico or to or from uh smith and finley's residence so there's no no calls were made uh and anybody's phone right on the

cell phone on the house phone no no one has contacted anybody in new mexico so that's an issue at that point so now they're like okay this is uh this is a little bullshit here obviously from october 1st to november 17th they checked so six weeks nothing and um in addition they found out that uh because they were asking questions they found out that they asked about keith having a gun and she oh, I got rid of that gun. I didn't like having it in the house. And they also said, he also had a four-wheeler and a quad. Where's that?

And she's like, well, I got rid of that, too. I didn't need that around. I sold it. I'm allergic to those. I sold it. You know how it is. Yeah. It's like a pecan. Very allergic.

My throat closes up. They make my. I'm around a quad. It's weird. My chest, it's just I can't breathe as well. I don't know what it is. The texture of the quad, it really closes my throat. I think it's the vibrations.

I don't know what it is. But yeah, my whole throat swells shut. It's odd. It's just really... I'm very sensitive. I'm very sensitive to the throat and lungs here. So she got rid of his gun, according to her, and also sold his four-wheeler while he's working in New Mexico. To her, she said he wanted me to sell the four-wheeler. I told you we're strapped for cash.

That's why he's in fucking New Mexico working. Duh. And while I live in this house that isn't mine all alone i'd love to do that sans a weapon that would be good in the south a lady with no weapon in the house that's crazy yeah this is kind of this is a rural location too this isn't exactly like uh do you want to be pecan queen or not yeah that's what i mean or at least fucking protect your pecan stash i'm sure you've got a stash maybe in your house is maybe you have daughter, maybe you have a future pecan queen in the house. Maybe you could be Ms. Pecan.

That's the other thing. There you go. Because there is a Ms. Pecan as well. And I feel like Betty, if she just applied herself to something other than forging checks, she could wear the crown and reign over the festival. And feel better about herself is all I'm saying. over the festival and feel better about herself is all i'm saying you know so december 15th here um over in colfax which we talked about which is right next door there um well this is pretty fucking interesting in colfax which we said is nearby that's a that one it's a close by town there's a storage unit there like you know one of those

storage you store yeah basically one of those deals and they're in there there's a there's a smell this is december 15th there's a smell coming from one of the lockers a worse one than what's usually in that it's a self-storage unit so you expect a certain amount of smell from old shit. It's everybody's houses together into one pungent everybody's house smell. Every shit that you've ever cooked and everything else, all those smells, all your pets and all your dander from your cats.

Jam that into a little box next to somebody else's, all that shit. Yeah, it feels like a tinderbox, the whole thing. It's just greasy. It's pretty gross. How much grease could you wring out of a storage unit, basically, I feel like? Human grease. So at this unit, they pop into this unit to see what the fuck is going on and what the smell is.

And they find in there the body of a man who has been dismembered and then neatly packaged up again not like in the shape of a body but his parts have been like wrapped nicely and plastic wrapped squared up squared up and no yeah like you know like it was like put into a little body bail like it was bulk ground beef basically they just put it like that and packaged it all up like it was ready for shipping. Fuck. You ordered it on Amazon two days ago and it's ready to go out. Oh, no. And you got to assemble it. And you got to put the whole guy back together again.

That's the problem. Oh, no. When you get dismembered men places, then you have to put them back together. Babe, the body bail showed up. Fuck. I'm going to spend all weekend putting that back together. Fucking Allen wrench. I can never find it.

It falls out of my hand. It's too tiny. So Allen wrench didn't come. Check it. Check for it being duct taped to the side of the styrofoam. Is that it? And then you have to pull that off of there and there's styrofoam all over the fucking floor.

Are there dowels? I feel like the cock goes on with dowels. Am I crazy? I feel like it's a dowel situation. It's a dowel. Yeah. It's a dowel situation it's a dowel yeah it's a dowel installation so uh they find him uh here uh a body they do not they're not able to identify the remains at first because they are really chopped up it's not even it's really packaged up uh they don't know they feel like it's one of two people. They feel like it is either Marlon Keith Smith or another man who's been missing here. Grant Parish Sheriff's deputies were searching for a missing fisherman named James Richard Warren of Lexington, Tennessee, who'd been missing since Sunday.

deputies found his boat but have not located him and um yeah so they've searched for him all over the place and can't find him so they're thinking well it's one of the two guys that are missing around here probably just probably a good bet uh either way people are freaked out by this uh residents would go crazy one guy james sandifer who lives in dry prong he said quote you don't expect something like that to happen in dry prong. This is a very quiet neighborhood. There's nobody there. Of course it's quiet. Also, if you expect that to happen there, get the fuck out.

Well, yeah, but I mean, you know, we lived in the house I used to live in down the street from the methadone clinic. If you told me somebody was neatly dismembered and packaged up, I'd go, that sounds about right. Yeah. You'd believe it. That's fair. But, again, you got the fuck out.

That's true. So I got to get the hell out of here. So, yeah, they said that they wouldn't comment on who had rented the storage unit, how long it had been rented, any of that shit. But they also said that they didn't think that the storage unit was used to do the actual dismembering in there. So, yeah, there's that. This is a post-dirty work dump site. That's a dump site. Yeah, you wouldn't say, let's take them apart in my storage unit.

That'd be a weird. Seems like that'd be a little loud. A little bit. So there was no signs of anything, actually, too. By the next day, the storage unit facility was back to full operations no crime scene tape or anything they didn't really very very quick they got in and out of that crime scene so um they guys taking everything out of there because i can re-rent that if you do i mean jesus uh yeah i gotta wait and list oh man oh we're gonna have

to charge them for that lock we cut because that's because we put that on there and that cost us money. And all the cleanup. So we're going to have to bill the state for that if that's possible. So they ended up, after doing some DNA testing and everything like that, they realize that, oh, this is definitely our guy here. This is Marlon smith they find here they found from dna with his mom they checked through it that way so uh they don't arrest betty though here they don't arrest her they talk to his family members to get some more information family members at this point report now that it's brought up they report

seeing a suspicious hole in the back of the yard this hole showed signs of recent digging in the backyard and uh that they had together obviously betty and keith and uh so the police go over and they look in this hole basically this new hole in the yard that just popped up. And they find small bits of human remains in there. Just little, you know, little ground meat chunks, basically. Just some shreds. Just some human shrapnel is what they find in there, which is pretty gross here. But the hole, it was a six-foot- six foot by four foot hole dug in the backyard oh a whole grave that's i was gonna say that's really similar to the

fucking proportions of a grave last time i checked right that's six by four you know no one casually ribbons in there i mean no one casually digs a six by four hole in the ground in the backyard just for fun that's a lot of there's a six by four hole in the ground in the backyard just for fun that's a lot of there's a six by four hole anywhere the first thing somebody asks is what are you burying who you bury who you who you bury in what's going on who died you dig a grave so who'd you kill right in may of 1980 near anaheim california dorothy jane scott noticed her friend had an inflamed red wound on his arm and seemed unwell. She insisted on driving him to the local hospital to get treatment. While he waited for his prescription, Dorothy went to grab her car to pick him up at the exit,

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A dash of sarcasm and just garnished a bit with a little bit of cursing. This mother****er lied. Like a little bit of cursing. This mother f***er lied. Like a liar. Like a liar. And if you're a weirdo like us and love to cozy up to a creepy tale of the paranormal. Or you love to hop in the Wayback Machine and dissect the details of some of history's most notorious crimes. You should tune in to our podcast, Morbid. Follow Morbid on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts.

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And I'm Ash Kelly. And our show is part true crime, part spooky, and part comedy. The stories we cover are well-researched. He claimed and confessed to officially killing up to 28 people. With a touch of humor. I'd just like to go ahead and say that if there's no band called Malevolent Deity, that is pretty great. A dash of sarcasm and just garnished a bit with a little bit of cursing.

This mother****er lied. Like a liar. Like a liar. And if you're a weirdo like us and love to cozy up to a creepy tale of the paranormal. Or you love to hop in the Wayback Machine and dissect the details of some of history's most notorious crimes. You should tune in to our podcast, Morbid. Follow Morbid on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to episodes early and ad-free by joining Wondery Plus and the Wondery app or on Apple podcasts. Be the thing to ask. So they also the detectives why they thought the hole was interesting. First of all, was they said there was a pungent odor from within the hole.

So a big hole with a pungent odor in it is frightening when there's a murder suspect. In addition to the human shrapnel, they also seized three pillows. Two of them had stains on them, which appeared to be bloodstains to the detectives and some human remains in a weird hole, in a weird grave-sized hole in the backyard. So this shit is creepy. And we've got a solid suspect because she may be the dumbest criminal on earth if that's the one. You know what I mean? Well, you would almost think that it can't be her because it's so obvious. It's too, yeah.

Then again, she steals. It's too right back to the owner. Way too quick. But she steals checks from a person she lives in the same house with and then buys shit with them. So she doesn't seem like the brightest bulb. She stole her work check you know you can't say come on how many people have stolen checks from work and didn't get caught like that's you're getting caught for that eventually yeah so now they question her obviously like all right we found his body he's chopped up clearly he's packaged we We certainly got a murder. He didn't do that on purpose.

This is not a suicide. We found a six foot by four foot hole in your backyard with stained pillows and human pieces. And some body ribbons. And some stuff. So, yeah. Let's chat. What do you got to say for that, basically? What's your excuse here for that?

Because you're going to have to have some kind of story. Yeah. So she says, okay, I'll come clean. This is what happened. Okay. Now, I didn't kill Keith, obviously. No. No.

I mean, I would never do that. Clearly, I'm not a murder person. But I'll drug an old lady, but murder is where I draw the line. She said, but I did see him get shot. murder person but i'll drug an old lady but murder is where i draw the line yeah she said but um i did see him get shot oh he he was shot and killed by somebody else came over to the house shot and killed him and she said that she doesn't she didn't want to say who it was someone shot and killed him and so what she did was clean up the crime scene because you know that's what you do when someone comes over and kills your boyfriend rather than call the

police you uh dispose of his body and clean up the crime scene correct and then for six weeks tell people that you know where he is obviously everything's fine clearly i mean that's what she just did is put herself at the crime scene oh not only at the crime scene literally just mopping up blood and yeah and and dismembering a body she says she packaged within eyesight of a murder no shit um so they said that uh you know they brought up the gun and that well what about the gun that you know that's missing his gun and she said said, no, no, I got rid of that. I didn't shoot him with it. That's crazy. A stranger shot him. Jesus, I'm not an animal.

So, wow. Basically, this goes on for a while where she the grand jury indicts her. She claims insanity. We'll get to that in a minute, which honestly, for what she's doing, she seems pretty but not she's she's nuts but not insane we'll put it that way right so she's pecan crazy is what she is she's gone she's gone pecan crazy everybody oh damn that's a different kind of crazy down south they got pecan crazy yeah that's what we need we need a pecan crazy shirts that's. That's what happens if your throat doesn't close up. They make you kill your boyfriend and dig holes in the backyard and dismember them and neatly package them back up again.

I can't wait to hear this. Let's let's keep going. So finally, after a ton of questioning and skirting everything, she finally says, OK, I'll tell you what happened. OK. And this you what happened. Okay. And this is what happened. She said they got in an argument, obviously. She said she took his gun. She didn't really dispose of it.

I know the police were probably really surprised to hear that. Right. Oh, you don't say. Really? God. See, I told you, Bob. You said, damn it. We believed you. We thought I told you, Bob. You said, damn it. We believed you.

So. We thought you were uncomfortable around weapons. That's what we heard. Yeah. I mean, it's not. Surprisingly enough, she's unbelievably comfortable around them. It's not like you're the pecan queen or something. The pecan queen kills.

I would love it if she's a former pecan queen. That would be amazing. The best. That would have been if she's a former pecan queen. That would be amazing. The best. That would have been the best start to this story. She was a former pecan queen turned on the wrong side of the law when items just appeared too pretty for her to resist. Miss pecan from the wrong side of the tracks. The wrong side of the pecan fields. from the wrong side of the tracks the wrong side of the pecan fields oh man so all right here's what happened um you know we got in an argument i got mad and i took

the gun and i shot him and i killed him so i killed him that's not enough i want more okay so they're like why would you dig a hole yeah but then it's big enough for I want more. Okay. So they're like, why would you dig a hole? Yeah. But then it's big enough for a person, but then not put a person in it. What's up with that? Basically. You've got a body big enough for a person, and then you put it in a storage unit. It's very strange behavior. And she said, well, problem is I tried to bury him in the hole.

Obviously, I've dug the motherfucker. I tried to bury him in the hole. Obviously, I dug the motherfucker. I tried to bury him in the hole. But due to the fact that it was still hot out and the body, I guess, I think she shot him in the head. So the body basically will swell. Oh, it got too big for the hole. It got too big for the hole. She didn't bury him deep enough. So the body did not remain concealed in the earth because she could see and now imagine

how that's like that's a horror movie okay imagine okay imagine you've killed a person jimmy right right in your mind got rid of that person they really deserved it you're in a murderous state okay you dig a mess i can picture like goodfell this. There's like, you know, the smoke and the this shit going with headlights. You're digging a hole. Red light, taillight. Yeah. You're digging a hole. You dig a six by four foot hole.

You're this piece of shit. Throw him in the fucking hole. Let's go. You bury him. You put them all nice, nice with dirt all on him. You go. All right. Did that.

I mean, it's it's literally dead and buried. Fucking done. You put the shovel down. You lean it up against the woodshed. You go inside. You take a shower. You get yourself like a cup of tea, maybe, I picture for her. Maybe a glass of Franzia.

Is that the ground swelling? All of a sudden, you see dirt pop up. Oh, dear Christ. Holy shit. He's a fucking zombie. He can't even call the cops with that one. No, there's a zombie in my... Okay, I killed him.

I'll be honest with you. But right now, that's not what's important. What's important is that he's a fucking zombie and he's back. That's what's important. What's important is there is a hand reaching out of my garden. That's important. Have you seen the cover of Evil Dead? It feels like it looks a lot.

It feels a lot like that. It's a lot of problems is what I'm saying. It's an issue. Not the skull one, the other one, the alternate with the hand he started to re-emerge he started to resurface from the ground and uh she said shit that's not good uh she's like well they're gonna find him there if you just see a one pile of earth just sticking up with a protruded swollen stomach coming out of it. So she said, God damn it. So she unburied him, pulled him out of the ground swollen like that, which is why there was human remains in the ground was because if you leave a body to swell like that, then you touch it. Guess what happens to it?

Yeah, things come apart like a fucking watermelon and stuff comes out. And that's what was going on in the in the ground there so so yeah the swelling the gases remember last week when we when we the something floats up because you didn't stab you didn't stab it so the gases all right they got a sink same thing here so yeah medical examiners like in the homicide book david simon one they talk a lot about like you know somebody that's been there a few days and the medical examiners are like it's almost like a thing like now i can roll them without him popping don't worry about i'm an expert at this i can do it and then they try

they would because that's like how good you are like i'll fucking roll him i don't care how swollen he is oh god and literally they'll be like his skin sliding off and he's like i can do it man and then pop and then uh yeah nobody wants to be around for that so um what she did then is she took it took her three different types of saws before she figured out one that really really would dismember a body because i guess if you have no experience with that you're gonna have to yeah you know you don't know what's going to work. Probably not easy. It's not easy. So then she put it into trash, packaged it all up, put it into trash cans, and put it in the local mini storage facility because that's all she could think of.

Wow. And then she cleaned the whole place up with bleach and crossed her fingers and hoped for the best, basically. How about that, James? Burying somebody, it's's over and that's the end of your thought process like nowhere else to put them yeah that's it no don't know where to put it so now that that didn't work now what do i do but if you think about it though in a murder plot you don't have like plan b's when it comes to that sort of thing you're like i'm gonna kill him that's a big deal then i'm gonna put him here that's my only idea and she was like fuck i need to get rid of this now maybe she was thinking like i'll put it in

the storage facility until i figure something else out kind of possible her she's got a very you know wait wait hurry up and wait attitude with this whole thing because it's that's the same attitude that gets you busted for kiting checks right whereas like i'll fix it later i'll do this now get the satisfaction of what i'm doing and then i'll fix it later i'll just take care of it that she did the same thing i i almost guarantee you she's never gotten gotten away with uh kiting a check i think she's gotten caught every time and i can guarantee you this james every time she's murdered she's also gotten caught yeah well she doesn't know she's never heard of anybody that's been around a body no she's never heard a story about

anybody's been around a body and she certainly never watched dateline and found anything out or forensic files or any investigation discovery is not the thing to her she doesn't know that a that they bloat and b that they smell only podcasts were around back then she would have known some stuff what's what's easier to track though the paper trail on kited checks from the construction company you work at that you signed with your own fucking name or the smell of a dead body coming from your storage unit that you rented in your own name which one which is harder to track i feel like that's uh probably dead ass equivalent you know what i'm saying that's how that's how she thinks though

if i put it here when the cops come to see me i won't get busted right now so that's okay as long long as i keep pushing it down the road she's got a real gambler's mentality like lucky she never found blackjack because she would be somebody would have buried her in a hole in the desert more banks oh my god she would be doing fucking pulling oceans 11 if she figured out that jesus christ wow so she is bad at crime she's the worst really bad at crime she does not plan ahead at all she's good at doing the crime she can she can accomplish the crime. Some people, we've had things where they can't figure it out, whatever. She can accomplish the crime.

Her dismount needs a lot of work for everything she does. Her execution, not bad. It's not great, but I'm impressed that she can actually murder. I don't think I could do that. No, that's the thing. She got that done. That was impressive. It's hard. A lot lot of people they can't get that done but she's like she must call attention to her crimes later on she's the type of person if she was going if she was speeding like

doing 65 and a 40 she'd be like blaring her horn the whole time just to make sure somebody fucking sees her and gives her a ticket for it yelling fuck the police out the window it's almost like she wants all the credit yeah it's i don't want anybody to get credit for this dastardly shit i'm amazing and the messed up part she claims insanity that's her plea she first she says not guilty then she says not guilty by reason of insanity which you've confused insanity with stupidity i think ma'am i don't think insane is the word you're looking for i don't know i'm kind of on her side with insane because the crimes that she's committing there's no fucking way a sane person would be like yeah i could get away with this what sane person would think that they

could possibly get away with that duh i'm clearly innocent case dismissed right your honor what the fuck you're right i think it's just confusing it's what stupid people think insane is yeah brazen stupidity and he she's goes that counts as legal insanity doesn't it legal insanity it's all the same thing right you know what let's put it in there see if it floats what do you say it's all the same thing right you know what let's put it in there see if it floats what do you say brazen stupidity equals criminal insanity that's right right it's normal the next time i get pulled over from speeding that's what i'm gonna say i play insanity sir i'm insane you're going 100 in the school zone it's pretty brazen right brazen and stupid so i clearly i'm insane clearly i'm insane don't even take me in because i'm it's

not gonna stick i'm an insane person it's not gonna stick man you can't i can't pin it on me copper i got papers from the loony bin see not a jury in the land that will convict me brazen stupidity that's her big question right that's her legal I feel bad for anybody in the legal system that has to defend that one way or the other. That's completely fucked. That's completely fucked. It's all fucked out, Jimmy. It's all fucked out. I just pictured a lawyer just pushing his glasses up on his forehead and rubbing his eyes.

Pushing a knuckle deep into the eyeball and just going why did i do this jesus christ fuck a lot of money for law school mom was right i should have went to medical school but now i'm i gotta deal with this asshole jesus christ so she's she has a sanity hearing and um there and the testimony is taken from a detective to give her state of mind when she was talking to detectives. Also, a couple of doctors, Dr. I.C. Turnley and Dr. Kenneth Bills. Now, also a detective Bullock there, was it Jody Bullock? the uh was a jody bullock she's testified during this that generally although betty was upset at times and changed her stories she didn't behave irrationally or appear to have any problems communicating during the interview again not so much crazy just bad at crime brazen stupidity

criminal insanity there's a very fine line uh wow dr turnley testified he testified that it was his opinion that betty had multiple underlying deep-seated personality problems which required long-term psychiatric treatment before she could ever stand trial she's she's that crazy she's she's out there man lots of deep-seated stuff there's people with way more deep-seated shit that than this that we push right through the justice system and into a fucking jail cell i feel like this is right this is just kind of stupid this isn't a you know we've seen there's people that are out there just screaming about crazy shit on the street and we're like you're fine but does she you know what i'm saying they're riding the subway in the new york in new

york and people are telling them leave them alone yeah that's that's what it is they're just walking going colonel sanders stole my chicken recipe it's like what you're 21 years old sir what are you talking about and i'm expected to ignore that shit. You should. I told you right away. You know my reaction was right because you said that. I go, why'd you talk to him? Don't engage. And you were like, that's what the fucking conductor said. I'm like, yeah.

We know what we're talking about. The conductor said to me I was a pole. Yeah. Everyone's like, well, duh, idiot. Don't engage this guy. That's the point. He's not used to it either. He's like, he's used to just going on a rant.

Right. And you were a he's used to just going on a rant. Right. And you were a heckler basically to him. And he's like, oh no, don't interrupt the show. We're talking about a man threatening, a homeless man threatening to fuck Jimmy's face while on the subway. And Jimmy engaged him rather than just ignoring him. And the guy then freaked out and the conductor was like, yeah, it's your fault, dummy. Why didn't you ignore him? Jimmy's like, why are you yelling at me? Why was this my fault to fuck my face sir yeah shut up yeah you dummy that's what you get for fucking confronting a obviously crazy

person that's criminal insanity see that's what it looks like you on the other hand have brazen stupidity for talking to him see See the difference between those two legally? I don't think that man was capable of chopping up a body. No, probably not. He's certainly capable of stabbing a man and walking away. Maybe chewing him up a little bit, possibly. Without a thought about it. Definitely fucking his face, but outside of that, I'm not sure.

But I don't think he's capable of burying me no no probably not no just throw you in a subway tunnel probably that's how that would have went so now uh dr turnley uh like we said gave those probably gave his opinion there about the uh lots of psychiatric treatment before she could possibly stand trial he stated that he believed she had a personality deficiency and not a brain defect such as psychosis or schizophrenia a personality deficiency sounds like she's just an asshole does it not right that sounds like she that's the medical term for an asshole right personality deficiency that could mean anything sure could that's just asshole legal terminology for asshole so we've learned a lot of legal she's a complete jerk

yeah we we found out um legally your honor she's an asshole i don't know it's that's what the doctor says she's just an asshole i don't know how that works uh he stated that he believed that treatment for the personality deficiency would not take a long extended period of time and would clear some of these foggy ideas and happenings that are here uh that happenings here that are inconsistent he also stated that she wanted the victim dead and knew she was wrong but wanted to do it anyway okay you know what that sounds like you committed a fucking crime and now you're on trial and you're gonna go to jail and you're not you're not real happy about that part of it it seems like you could do without that part right that part feels inconvenient that's inconvenient to you but at the

same time you're not crazy. You tried to do something that was crazy, but you didn't fucking. Oh, my God. And knew was wrong. And knew was wrong. She knew she was wrong, but wanted to do it anyway. So that sounds like a five year old is what that sounds like. Yeah. Or a murdering adult.

Or a murdering adult. Five year olds and murdering adults have a lot in common. Thank God five-year-olds aren't strong enough to murder for the most part. Because they would be dangerous if they could. Right. They're just an adult asshole and that one's an adolescent asshole. That's the only difference. They just haven't thought of killing you yet.

Right. They're only five. It hasn't come up yet. Oh, they know the feeling. Yeah. They just don't know what that means. They don't know how to go. By the time they're like 14, they start movies 13 they're like i kind of fucking shit

i should have killed them back then could have got away with it oh that's what that feeling is yeah i know what that is it's five i would have gotten away with that shit jesus christ i could have said i thought it was a cartoon god damn it so another doctor dr bins b-i-n-n-s testified that he believed that betty could could tell right from, I mean, she said she knew it was wrong. So that's a pretty good indicator there. Dead giveaway. He used all of his medical training to come to that conclusion. Although she had some antisocial tendencies, he also stated that Betty showed signs of depression and anxiety.

Well, whoop-de-fucking-do. Who doesn't? Yeah, so do i so you know what what i can kill somebody and try to bury him in my yard um yeah that's what i'm saying although those were likely situational and due to her concern over her legal uh charges yeah sitting in jail with a murder charge will make you a little depressed when asked about inpatient treatment he said that betty quote most likely does need some treatment but she can certainly get that at other venues so once she's in prison we can take

care of her is basically what he says yeah so the trial judge he ends up presiding over the sanity commission hearing and uh he also hears that uh she said that she was determined to be competent and able to help in her own defense is what she said. And the judge said, well, you know what? Good for you. You're going on trial then, Miss Insanity. So she goes there right at the beginning of the trial. She went, you know what? Never mind.

Maybe I played this a little too hard. Yeah. You know, I don't think I was wrong there. I think maybe I went a little too hard at this whole thing. And maybe okay let's just plea because i've said i've done it and uh doctors say i'm not crazy so my options are running out here so she ends up pleading guilty to manslaughter which is very low it sounds like right what but it's also the opportunity of the will they not have second degree in louisiana well the the sentencing guidelines they'll leave it up to leave give

her a big window and also it's also part of a package here to also plead guilty to stealing checks from barbara smith and she pleads guilty to uh attempted second degree murder which is funny guilty to manslaughter attempted second degree murder which if to attempted second-degree murder, which is funny. Guilty to manslaughter, attempted second-degree murder, which if she attempted second-degree murder, I think she pulled it off because the guy has been dismembered and put in a garbage can in a storage unit. Are they throwing the attempted second-degree on the poisoning of Barbara? That's what that was. Yes, I'm sorry. That's her. Jesus, how did I forget that?

It's a good thing I remembered one thing in my fucking life. Yeah, right. Not bad. See, you're not brazenly stupid. Isn't that perfect? I pay attention to this shit. Yeah. got that and five it's a good thing i remembered one thing in my fucking life yeah not bad see you're not brazenly stupid isn't that perfect pay attention to this shit yeah and also five counts of forgery uh okay said her attorney jimbo slaughter i give up man i give up you know what i'm saying like i try not to make fun of these places. I really do. We try to keep it to your fucking defense attorney for a murder trial.

His name is Jimbo Slaughter. How do you do, ma'am? My name is Jimbo Slaughter. I'm here to represent you. No, you're not. I'm here to save your life with legal briefs. Are you out of your fucking mind? No. Jimbo Slaughter is a guy you go hunting with on saturday

it's not a guy who brings jimbo slaughters a guy that gets uh defendant slaughtered fuck this guy he's responsible for bringing the beer jimbo like that's his goal that's his thing you bring the night crawlers he brings the beer you know what i'm saying like that's absolutely a trip with jimbo this is weird as shit man jimbo slaughter the fucking best defense attorney in the area apparently oh my god so uh wow she also pleads guilty to one count of obstruction of justice after she repeatedly told investigators that she had been talking to keith the whole time and hadn't been um so jimbo slaughter told the press that betty could receive no more than 40 years in prison as part of the plea agreement he says quote she would have been looking at life plus 150 years he said

but quote our contention is that the death was an accident and she just all the rest was a cover up. So that's that's what that's the kind of dumb defense you're getting from a man named Jimbo. That man had the gall to come out and say she accidentally shot and murdered and buried and disburied and disinterned and fucking thought about and used three different saws to cut up and cleaned up with bleach and put in a storage unit and packaged up accident accidental well excuse me y'all i gotta go get the beer we're going fishing tonight it's like a domino of accidents though it's like a domino effect of accidents like we accidentally got an here's what happened first of all okay yeah i accidentally dropped a plate of food on the floor and fucked up the new carpet okay that was an

accident the first that caused an argument obviously with during that argument i accidentally killed him all right accidentally killed him so i saw him a bunch of times shit then i accidentally buried him poorly that's the problem not not far down there, which made me have to take a saw and accidentally cut all his limbs off. That's how it works there. Several different saws. Several. Accidentally cut him up. And then, boy, it was difficult to get him into the truck to bring him.

I accidentally picked up 150 pounds of flesh and put it into a truck because that wasn't easy. But that's why I packaged him up and dismembered him. Jesus i ain't dumb and uh yeah i accidentally took him over to the storage unit i accidentally filled out the storage unit card and uh application filled it out correctly accidentally put a 28 deposit down on it and then uh accidentally disposed of him and then accidentally disposed of them. Series of unfortunate accidents. So many accidents. So the sentencing, pursuant to the agreement,

the sentencing would be capped at 40 years cumulatively for all charges, which would run consecutively here. Also, that she would only be allowed to appeal only the issue of excessiveness of sentence on appeal and waived all other matters. So that's all she can appeal. Now, the judge said that he was considering the pre-sentence investigation because they do a report to see what kind of mitigating factors and shit like that. He says that he considered the cruel nature of the crimes committed,

particularly killing a man and trying to kill his mother to cover up your check kiting, which is to cover up your check shit. You tried to kill a woman. Think about that. That's fucking cold, man. That is cold. I mean, people cover up lesser shit. At least it's an actual criminal thing. You know, I mean, people do cover up infidelity.

That's true. They do. that's what embarrassment about something she knew i had a gay experience in the 11th grade she's gonna tell everybody yeah relax calm down so not even criminal so the judge he says quote all right the pre-sentence investigation report that I have before me and which I shared with the defense counsel earlier this morning shows that Betty Findley is a multi offender. She was charged with committing second degree murder of Marlon Keith Smith on October 20th, 2004. On the same day, she committed obstruction of justice and several dates in September 2004. She committed five counts of felony forgery. I believe sincerely that the defendant is in need of correctional treatment you think yeah fucking understatement

of the year here yeah or a uh or and a custodial environment that can be provided most effectively by her commitment to an institution i firmly believe that the lesser sentence will deprecate the seriousness of the defendant's crime. I find that her conduct during the commission of these offenses manifested deliberate cruelty, probably to Keith Smith and certainly to Barbara Smith, whom she tried to poison. Oh, boy. I find that Betty Finley knew or should have known that Barbara Smith was particularly vulnerable and incapable of resistance due to her age or disability and ill health. I find that she used her position as the lover of Keith Smith and friend to Barbara Smith as a status to facilitate commission of these offenses, and I find that she knowingly created a risk of death or great bodily harm to more than one person.

I have searched diligently through the record to try to find some extenuating circumstances but i have found none alas alas the hole is empty i had to dig it up and it's empty yeah you ma'am may fuck off she is sentenced to serve 40 years of hard labor for the manslaughter conviction. At 47. That sounds bad. 40 years of hard labor for the attempted second degree murder. Eight years hard labor for obstruction of justice. Eight years for each of the forgery convictions. All of the sentences started to be served concurrently to each other, but consecutively

were started to be served concurrently to each other but consecutively to the second seven year sentence on a forgery conviction from before in the other county so she's gonna have to serve seven on that and then 40 on this of hard labor so uh that's not good for there here louisiana good lord you are a harsh bitch yeah she she's like shit damn it I wish that hole would have been better should have dug it just a little deeper at least you didn't murder in Texas but still this is pretty brutal man man so

she appeals this alleging that the sentence imposed by the trial court was unconstitutionally excessive and the trial court failed to consider her mental illness during sentencing well they said she didn't have mental illness that's the problem that's why doctor said she's just kind of an asshole i don't know that's that's it brazenly stupid not taking up with jimbo yeah take it yeah what did jimbo say well she also uh she asserts her sentence is unconstitutionally excessive and that the trial court can fail to consider her thing, her mental illness.

And also she claims, obviously, that her trial attorney, Jimbo Slaughter, wasn't any good. Which, you know, if I'm an appeals court, I might go, you said a guy named Jimbo represented you? Let's look into this. It's kind of on you. You hired a man named Jimbo to represent you. He walked in a room and he said jimbo slaughter i'm here to defend you for murder and you went perfect it's either that or you go i don't know lady you didn't get life sounds like jimbo did a pretty goddamn bang up job

that's what i'm yeah jimbo did a fucking a smoking job here yeah jimbo walked out on the steps talking about you could have got uh life plus a lot so jimbo says you've done great no 150 years he said of hard labor they would have had your corpse out there farming jesus christ keep going that's half the half the hard half the farm labor is just corpses and skeletons out in the field just with hose in their hand and a rake. It's a hard road. Oh, tough road there. Um,

yeah, she, uh, also alleges to trial counsel's failure to fire a file, a motion to reconsider her sentence constitution constituted ineffective assistance of counsel, which no, not unless she told him to,

and he didn't, that would be the way that the only way that would work. Uh, cause that even wasn't even during the trial. That was after sentencing. So that doesn't affect, that doesn't affect your sentencing. You know what I mean?

It's the appeal. So this woman, the, the review of the circumstances, the appeals court said, and the case reveals no abuse of discretion in the trial court's reasoning and imposition of sentence. The trial court did not discuss the mental state,

her, her mental state and its reasons for the sentence. It carefully considered the details of the pre- court did not discuss the mental state uh her her mental state and its reasons for the sentence it carefully considered the details of the pre-sentence investigation and the factors outlined in the statute the sentences uh the sentences are further warranted by the violent cruel nature of the crimes against mr smith and his mother and the lengths to which she went the lengths to which she went to prevent detection of the crimes you man right may keep fucking off suck it having hard labor for the next 40 years wow so now i found the house here because it's 108 fairfield church road in dry prong louisiana so i found it and it's funny

because this house i found the a real estate thing where I think I found where Keith bought the house in like or bought the property in like 1980. And then the house was sold in 2005. So somebody bought this house right after it was sold November 10, 2005. So that was like when the trial was going on. Somebody bought that house within a year of a man being murdered and dismembered and attempted buried in it. The grass hadn't even grown back in the 4x6. Oh, no, no, no. That hole was still there. It was still a big impression, I'm sure. There's probably still human remains in there. Absolutely.

Let's buy it. Keep the dogs away from that spot. Yeah, they're going to dig're gonna dig um it is sold uh it was sold uh then in 2005 hasn't been sold since it's currently worth about 107 000 bucks like most of those thousand dollars for a murder house that the same people are in it still yeah they they must they must like it they must love it i hope they repaint it or something so I hope the pecan queen lives there. Oh, wouldn't that be amazing? I feel like she'd live on a top of something, though.

The pecan queen should live over the church bell tower or something. Or they have a house up in a pecan tree. Oh, like the Keebler elves. Yeah, the pecan queen house. The pecan castle. Oh, where her and all the other former pecan queens live yeah it's like i want that and i want that tv show it's like a two as i say it's a 2000s vh1 reality show 12 pecan queens one apartment one tree house 12 pecan queens one keebler elf treehouse they're gonna compete for the affection of one man

and it's a keebler elf yeah so okay christ i'm glad we got that so we have room and time for this next one to talk about briefly oh terrific this is fucking hilarious okay uh this is again we're gonna this is rural uh louisiana that doesn't matter but this is some horse talk okay okay all right now there is a guy named dr bob all right dr bob hewlett robert hewlett and his wife tracy hewlett they own and operate a horse farm so lots of horses and uh dr bob bob hewlett is a veterinarian well. So he takes care of the horses and all sorts of shit like that. Now, for years and years, they've had a groundskeeper and a guy who helps out. He lives on the property, helps out there. He's a man named Douglas Holly. And he lives in a house on the property, basically. So he doesn't live next to them in the bedroom. But he has his own little quarters, basically, here. So he has access to the home when they're away, has access to all the farm.

He's their right-hand guy. If they were out of town, they'd call him to see how things are going. So this is in 2016. This is all going down. It sounds very old-fashioned but it's current quite quite which is yeah it sounds old-fashioned but picture picture everybody texting that's it that would be what it was so uh boy's texting yeah she's posting they're all posting pictures of the horses on instagram but that's otherwise it's old timey. And they're new boots. Yeah. So Holly here, Douglas Holly, the guy who works there, he even celebrated Christmas and Thanksgiving with them.

Oh, he's very close. Yeah. He's like their family. He eats Christmas dinner with them for fuck's sake. That's how it works. So and it's almost like give another for the second time today. 90 Day Fiance reference here. He's almost like Uncle Bo in the mike and natalie

saga there in washington there's this guy who lived with the guy who was importing a woman from the ukraine and it was his uncle bo and he like lived in the shed and the guy goes outside and whistles and a guy pops out of the shed and he's like hey buddy what's going on and he's got a fucking mullet and no front teeth, no front top teeth. It's a perfectly like he's probably missing, you know, four of them up there. Oh, it's like canine to canine. There's nothing happening. Oh, no.

And he's the happiest man in the world. He's like, I'm just a spring chicken at heart. He and he's laughing with his teeth out. He doesn't give a fuck. This guy. That's that's who i picture here so bad that happiness it's just pure joy he even said they interview him he goes i live off the land and i'm pretty happy about it that's what he said i live off the land and i'm pretty happy

about it he just lives in a shed in his nephew's yard and he's thrilled they showed the inside of this place jimmy oh my god like the unabomber shed it was just a fucking mattress with like in the middle of all sorts of you know penthouse fucking naked women pinned up on the walls that's all it was tons of naked oh god the amount of jizz in that shed boy that that ground is always mushy in there, and they don't know why. Why is the ground soft in here always? It doesn't even rain in here. Ah, shit. Disgusting.

So that's how I picture Douglas Holly, masturbating in a barn. Yeah. While these people live a normal life in the house. Right. That's how I picture it. So anyway, this goes on for years and years. The Hewletts trust him. They're all very close.

Holly here, Douglas Holly, Uncle Bo himself. And Uncle Bo seems like a nice guy, by the way. Oh, when they got married, Mike and Natalie, Uncle Bo came to the wedding in white linen pants, sandals. Yep. And a white sleeveless shirt. White sleeveless T-shirt. That was his wedding outfit. Oh, not even like a button-up? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. It was White sleeveless t-shirt. That was his wedding outfit. Oh, not even like a button-up?

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. It was a sleeveless t-shirt. Like a white t-shirt he cut the sleeves off of and he wore that to the wedding. But I got nice pants on. It was weird, dude. It was awesome. You want to know Uncle Bo. So anyway, Holly owns a horse that lives at the farm here named Charlie.

Free boarding. Free boarding. Free boarding. So Charlie lives in a fenced area near his rental house. And one day, Charlie became sick with colic. Oh, no. That's brutal, man. He's sick as a horse, man. I'll tell you what.

To go back to Dean, Texas, he's actually sick as a horse. Colicky horse is a motherfucker. motherfucker oh it seems a colicky baby is a motherfucker so i can't imagine a 800 pound yeah picture a baby thousand pound colicky baby is nothing to fuck with a baby that weighs fucking 1400 pounds and can kick you into next week right jesus so uh luckily you know his boss and the guy who lives there is a vet so that helps anyway he's got access to care for this horse dr hewlett here dr bob looks over the horse and advises uh that holly that he can't help charlie he said charlie is charlie is is ill and he's beyond help and

suggested that the best and most humane thing to do for Charlie would be to put her down. So yeah he suggests putting the horse down so he does Holly listens and he has the horse put down apparently there was no helping him or helping her the horse

so apparently after this Douglas Holly spins out into a awful depression and just a like like he had his young son put down that's the that's the the the thing he had which goes from a depression to a seething vengeful rage against Dr. Bob for not being able to help Charlie. Wow. Blames him for Charlie's suffering and death. Okay.

Because he couldn't help him. He's not magic. And that's a problem for old. I needed you to be David Blaine, you son of a bitch yeah this sounds like a man the logic of a man who lives in a shed that's just all i'm gonna say it's just that sort of thing so holly ends up plotting an elaborate vengeance against the hewlett's uh they have no idea they think that you know he's a normal guy who had a sick horse, put it down, and then he's gone on with his business and his life and his world. Unfortunately for them, all he does is not.

No, he does goes about his business, but thinks about revenge. He has a diary where he just writes manifesto level hatred, pages of hatred and what he wants to do to them and what they deserve and how horrible they are and that they killed his horse and uh i mean it's like shit's intense yeah like it's the diary of a fucking madman that's what it is it's literally like whoa i don't even know this would be the diary of someone who like i don't know like if like a therapist said okay i know that that man killed your mother and chopped her into 14 pieces that's terrible and i know you want to do bad things to him but you can't just journal it all put it all in a journal all the terrible thoughts and all the terrible things

and then you can read and see how bad it is that's almost like what it is except to bring it back here every week and we'll discuss it we'll discuss it anybody and you can see how it's you know that's not going to work in the real world what you're suggesting whereas this fucking guy no that's not how this works with this shit this is like he's doing this as a i gotta plan it out so i need to write it down for sure yeah and uh again as we're going to talk about when it comes to murder some people have a plan to get away with it and while they're doing it they think oh this while you're planning a murder you have to think what those things are going to look like later that's how it works okay when you don't think about any of that until after the person's dead then you're like all right gotta backtrack clean up everything that never works never works everybody a murder backpedal

is tough to accomplish that's what i'm saying so what he does is douglas holly manufactures two pipe bombs the look on your face right now jimmy's the choice jimmy just like his whole his face got like twice as wide with that he was like huh like from behind his microphone there how do you get there from from guy guy told me to kill my own horse i killed her and she's sick now i'm gonna i'm gonna explode them i'm going to blow them up i feel like two pipe bombs um which included he even put fishing weights you know like sinkers that you clamp on your line so you can right you know put your shit to get your rubber worm to the bottom of the fucking pond um he put sinkers in there of various sizes as shrapnel to make it more lethal like fucking shotgun slugs yeah like

so it would be shrapnel that's what he did that's not gonna like puncture shit that's gonna blow holes and things that's crazy that that's his plan he's not fucking around and uh so what ends up happening is the hewlett's go out of town for a few days as they do so holly goes into the house which he always has access to and went into the sub floor of the hewlett's house and uh uh went into the sub floor uh but directly underneath their bed oh you dick he literally crawled under the in between floors of the house yeah like a fucking exterminator right to plant pipe bombs on directly under their bed one pipe bomb looking for termites yeah one pipe bomb under each person side of the bed yeah and

he's got it so it's a remote detonation like he's fucking scarface this is insane what what kind of a crazy person first of all puts together a remote detonation bomb that is a cartoon villain level crazy right there number one just to have a bomb that you have a remote in your hand going if i press this button right think about the joker does that that's how crazy that is you're now a batman speed did that shit yeah this is movie like ultra arch villain crazy shit that we're talking about here. Wow. So he does this when they arrive home. The Hewlett's.

This is December 19th, 2015. This goes down just recent. Yeah, it's just happened six years ago. Not even Holly waits until about 3 a.m. as he figures they'll both be in bed and asleep by 3 a.m. because they've got to be up early because it's a horse farm. He was obviously right. They're in bed sleeping,

and he remotely detonates the two pipe bombs under their bed. This is like the opening of Casino or something when he's getting in there and it blows him straight up in the air. What happens is the blast blows a hole up through the floor of the bedroom and through the box spring of their bed as well. However, they had a high-density foam mattress that they were sleeping on. Oh, thank God for their Casper. Thank you, Casper mattresses. Elisa, save their life.

Yeah, I think it was a Casper. So high-density foam mattress protected them from the bat from the blast. They were thrown far, far away from the bed. Sure. But they ended up, you know, they were they were physically unharmed. Huge explosion. Imagine waking up on the floor going, what the fuck just happened? Because you wake up, you don't know what's happening.

You wake up as an explosions happening and you're're flying through the air which is fucking nuts uh mrs hewlett had to get counseling for ptsd after that yeah how do you ever take a nap ever again you can't even feel comfortable and you can't even this is the thing you wouldn't even like looking under the bed wouldn't help it was in the subflo Yeah. You would need a giant x-ray machine to feel comfortable in any fucking place you ever were. I would need somebody to stand by and watch me nap. All the time. Check under the floor first. Right.

Are you down there? Make sure no one puts a bomb in here while I'm sleeping. Hello, 911. Oh, no, there's no emergency. Actually, what the emergency is, is I'm dead ass tired and I need the bomb squad to keep an eye on me. Real bad. They should come out and just hang out here for a while. It could be. Trust me, it's worth it. It's a precarious situation, my man.

It's worth it, I think. Yeah. So the blasts, that's wild, by the way, that it didn't get through the high-density foam. The investigation reveals that the bombs caused the explosion in the bedroom obviously they found shrapnel embedded in objects all over the bedroom because these sinkers exploded everywhere so there's holes where these fucking metal sinkers but not in the mattress but not through the fucking mattress thank you casper um shrapnel had even made holes in the plumbing pipes beneath the

hewlett's bedroom floor so there's also water leaking through all this as well as if it wasn't bad enough that you're blown up now you got to get a plumber which is going to be a fucking expensive pain in the ass too but it's the best money you'll ever spend yeah i'll try to do that shit on you no no no that's that's for somebody who knows what they're doing. That's specific. There's a reason why plumbers are paid well, because that job sucks. And they know how to do it. And hats off to you. Go ahead and do it.

And guess what? No matter how many times you think you can, you fucking can't. Nope. YouTube will not help you. This is not. No. You're not changing the brake pads on a fucking 92 Honda Accord. This is the water flowing into your house.

Goddamn soldering with water pressure. It's a different thing. Totally different. There's angles that need to be done. You don't understand it. So remnants of the bomb, including pieces of galvanized steel, exploded PVC pipe, deformed aluminum sheet metal, wire pieces with alligator clips attached a

modified extension cord with hot glue on it a burnt burnt black electrical tape and a destroyed timer were all discovered at the blast site that's a complex bomb man that's a lot of shit right i wouldn't know what to do with all that stuff. Items recovered from the blast tested positive for triacetone tripoxeride, T-A-T-P, which is a type of primary high explosive. There you go. They searched Holly's house on the property there and found it was found to contain a plethora, what they call in the legal documents, quote, a plethora of bomb-making materials, which were consistent with those recovered from the bomb site. His cell phone, this is the best, revealed that he had not only researched bomb-making, which you would expect that maybe if you weren't like a marine explosives expert or something. But then after that, you would hope maybe he'd go

hoof and then maybe he'd try to clear that off his history and i don't know whatever the get rid of my cookies here he went right to amazon and bought all the shit no no no this is worse actually once he once he had all the stuff he took pictures on his phone through the whole process of like the materials spread out these this is the stuff i'm going to use here we go i'm gonna do a collage on instagram like he's gonna do like he's gonna put together the instruction manual for it this is like the step-by-step but he's he's gonna be the bubble man in an ikea fucking instruction is basically what it is that's what he's thinking here so he takes pictures of it all the way up uh through everything

the materials then he had his diary as well um which was just i can't wait to blow the hewlett's up in their bed while they sleep at night for killing my fucking horse which was crazy and then his cell phone also contained notes and on his notes app in his cell phone where he detailed Charlie's sickness and death and also his gruesome and murderous intentions, as they put it in the court document. I just thought that was very well put against toward Dr. Hewlett. So he wrote it all in his celebrity apology app. What an asshole. That's amazing that he was like, I have a diary, but I need to keep it on me, too.

Right. That's just in the house. I mean, you know what I mean? Like, what if I'm out? I need to whip it out and remember what I want to do to the Hewlett's once I get there. So they give him in a videotaped interview where he he says that he previously worked on the insulation underneath the Hewlett's home and that he so he knew everything and how it worked under there. Of course. And that he held Dr. Hewlett responsible for Charlie's death and wanted revenge.

That's what he told them. He also admitted that he used his cell phone to research bombs, rocket igniters and various bombing events to see how the different ones worked. see how the different ones worked because he would research a bomb like a bombing that happened and then figure out what type of bomb they used to see if that was an effective one for him that is something that i do not like that the media loves to do is detail what how these bombs worked it's like don't say that shit there's dummies out there shut up with the pressure cookers and pipes and pvc and p traps that you just screw together stop talking about that because dummies know what that means and at the same time they can he can search on his phone and find it in two seconds and right it's cats out of the bag and we have to get on the internet it says you can buy almost

all these at the home depot yeah you can get everything you need right down at the Home Depot, which he probably did. So he's arrested for the bombing and the prosecution files a bunch of charges against him. He moves to dismiss his public defender appointed to represent him. Yeah, because it was Jimbo. That's right. Jimbo Slaughter. And he's like, I know Jimbo. He's a jerk off.

We were fishing last week. Oh, Jesus. Didn't bring enough beer. I brought all the night crawlers. We had plenty. Plenty of night crawlers. We were doubling up on them at the end there just to entice them. Barely any beer, that son of a bitch.

He brings a 12-pack with him. The hell is that? We're there all day. What's that for you, you selfish asshole? We're here all day, goddammit. He said that after discussing the merits of the case with his appointed attorney he didn't feel the attorney would quote argue and fight for him like he needed this just wasn't there the trial court also figured out that uh holly was 56

years old at the time had only completed high school but had no legal education college education or training and had never represented himself in court before. But he can build a fucking pipe bomb. That's the thing, yeah. It's unbelievable. He said he understood the nature of the charges against him and the penalties, and he stated that he understood that he would be extremely disadvantaged by his lack of legal knowledge, but he didn't care.

He said that he knew nothing about, he admitted also that he knew nothing about criminal prosecutions or the trial and also had no access to a law library. So he's a slight disadvantage here. I got this, though. But he felt that he had no choice but to represent himself. As the trial began, the state offers him a plea. They go, tell you what, how about 40 years in exchange for a guilty plea to all five counts? All right, what do you say? They're not dead, so let's run with that.

He said, I don't think so. What are you talking about, sir? I'll never get out. That sounds crazy. No, no, no, no, no. I got this. I'll represent myself. I'll get myself out of this. Thank you, sir. That sounds crazy. No, no, no, no, no. I got this. I'll represent myself. I'll get myself out of this.

Thank you, sir. Please, here. So he said, nope. He continued with the presentation and the testimony and all the evidence here. The trial judge noted that Holly's personal comments made in his diary entries were, quote, chilling and frightening. You don't want the trial judge calling you chilling and frightening that's not good that doesn't mean i'd like to let you mingle with uh the free world again anytime soon and he stated his belief that the hewlett's would never be safe as long as he was out on the street basically it wasn't just i'm gonna get him back

it's i have a life vendetta. Like, right. We're in the mafia and he killed my brother. Like, that's the fucking said this before the trial commenced. No, no. This was as it was coming to when they were introducing the everything. So, yeah, they Jesus Christ. So he's found guilty of attempted murder, obviously attempted first degree murder. He's found guilty of attempted murder, obviously, attempted first-degree murder. The trial judge stated that here is a part where he said that the Hewletts would never be safe as long as Holly was ever out on the street.

He said after considering the evidence presented at trial and the information in Holly's pre-sentence investigation report, he concluded that it was necessary to, quote, remove Holly from normal society. Yeah. Yeah, I would say so. Let's do this other yeah we're gonna you need to go somewhere else here for the attempted first degree murders of robert and tracy hewlett uh he is sentenced to serve you sir may fuck off two sentences consecutive oh consecutive of 45 years of hard labor. You could add 40 years. 90 years hard labor without the possibility of probation, parole, or suspension of sentence. It's over for you, sir. You got 90 years in the joint at 56.

90 years hard labor at 56 years old. He who represents himself has a fool for a client that's the old saying and there's a reason for that here oh by the way there's more for the counts of manufacturing or possession of a bomb he's sentenced to serve fuck off again concurrent sentences with that but consecutive to the other of 15 years of hard labor without better. So one hundred and five years of hard labor he's got. Oh, wait, there's more. to serve an additional 15 years hard labor with two years to be served without benefit of probation or parole for the aggravated arson charge because the place was on fire because he set a fucking bomb off on the floor. He's a dipshit.

Jesus Christ. And a $10,000 fine in case he gets out and is gainfully employed at the age of 162, first 10 grand are for us, big guy. Four you eat, we're going to need 10 grand. Yep. The court ordered this sentence to run consecutively. So he has been sentenced to 105 years hard labor. But good news is only 103 of it is without probation or per are no chance of parole yeah so the extra two years are he could they're they're up for probation

there's a little bit of wiggle room but for that for 113 years or 103 years, he's in there. Definitely. Hard labor. Oh, my God. So, so far, there's going to be two corpses in farm fields that we found this time here. He's still got over 100 years to go. Oh, yeah.

He's just getting started, man. I mean, he didn't get convicted until, like, 2019. He's got time served so let's see if he let's see his time served he probably went in in 2016 so he's got 103 years so we'll say you know uh what 2000 well 21 he'll get out in uh 21 uh 19 unless he has to serve the extra two years and then it's 2121 or no because it would be yeah five years 16 okay yeah so he can get out in 2199 so good for you the year 2119 he's all set up so everyone that's listening now your great great grandkids might see him get out but you won't and i don't feel bad for that guy you don't try to blow people up because your horse got sick you

fucking psychopath yeah that's true how did he get to 56 years old without killing somebody else like honestly an act of god not even an act of god because horses get colic that shit's mad common animals remember tony soprano's horse got sick and they had to burn it down for the insurance An act of God. Not even an act of God, because horses get colic. That shit's mad common. Animals get sick. Remember Tony Soprano's horse got sick, and they had to burn it down for the insurance money. It happens. That's what happens, man. It's very common that horses get sick.

That's why you insure them. They don't live... I think they live 25 years at best. They get sick a lot. They're not super elderly things. They don't last like a parrot. They're like a parrot or like a turtle they're a fine last 100 fucking years and they're like a fine-tuned thing too if something goes wrong they just fucking drop dead it's like right they're they're different so i mean they can get a

pimple and it turns into a quote-unquote abscess and they're whatever wherever it gets infected that shit blows up like it it's insane yeah those things can get so sick from that so yeah to blame a temperamental animal like imagine if a woman dumped him imagine his wife left him or if he got like uh somebody at his job screwed him over like he would say or some shit like somebody just jumped fucked his wife oh yeah like how does he not how has he not murdered people because not only does he like i'm gonna get him back and it's not a knee-jerk reaction, he plotted for, like, two months of how I'm going to do this and wrote in diaries. Perhaps this was a straw that broke the camel's back, though.

Maybe he was just like, never again! Never again! These people, I've had enough! I'll take them out. Everybody said, like, leading up to it, like, they were all, he was close with them, tight with them. There was never, like, oh, these people are always treating me like shit. Like, they were family. And then it's like, he crossed me with the horse.

They're going to die. I'm going to kill his wife, too. Like, that's the other thing. He killed them both. His wife didn't diagnose the fucking horse. She had nothing to do with it. She didn't do the shit. She was just sleeping.

But she got her own pipe bomb. She came and took a nap. Yeah. She got her own pipe bomb for the privilege so his and hers his and hers but that's a nice thing to do it's what you want to do yeah so uh that's very sweet it's very very sweet so that said that is dry prong and in some horse farm also louisiana that's a lot of louisiana brings heat there was all sorts of weird things down there and i'm like these two cases are both so weird that I want to tell both the stories,

even though I think I can cram them into one. And we did it. I'm glad we got it. We did that once before, like a year ago. The West Virginia episode that's one of the best ones with the guy dangling off the bridge and all that shit from like a year ago. We had a second follow up in there? We had a, at the end of

it we had about a 20 minute story that we put on to that too i remember that i don't remember the story but i remember you saying this one's not a lot but we got no it was one i believe where the somebody got shot that was like coming up to the porch there was like a woman shooting at somebody it was some crazy sound like the guy up in the woods it was the guy in the woods up in the holler up on the hill yeah yeah some crazy shit like that but this uh that was one of those two where the west virginia story was just so crazy that we needed to be told even though it wasn't quite enough for a whole episode so we fill it in with a little extra murder for you there give you give you a two for two for thursday two for thursday that's a good man louisiana we got to go in a couple weeks we're

going to do rhode island too in a few weeks because it's been forever since we've done Rhode Island as well because it's James. I'm going to challenge you to find Hawaii one, too. I have a Hawaii one. Lock you and it's loaded. He's like practically a serial killer, too. We've had one. That's we had one and one Alaska as well.

Yeah. So Zitka. Zitka. Yeah. So we're going to find we've had two we had two wasn't there a santa claus alaska or some shit like that was georgia santa claus georgia oh and it tied in with alaska because the girl went to alaska and then back to georgia yeah yeah there was something like that or that look at me with the memory all the time you're doing this to me look at this

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Because a sandwich you can make into anything. It could be any kind of sandwich you want. So why would you not like a sandwich? Unless you've got some sort of food allergy with gluten and shit, then I understand disliking a sandwich. Well, that would be you probably still love it, but you can't eat it because it hurts you but you're like i want that fucking sandwich god it's so good look at the bread the pizza is the same way it's like pizza no matter where in the world you go they cheese and like they do something with a tomato and they like like a bread thing there's always bread so like who wouldn't love pizza how can it go wrong fucking wonderful so uh

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really the crime and sports aren't a lot of sports stories it's kind of a just crazy crime shit is what we do that and a weird like personal ads strange stuff funny shit everything's very funny that we do do we do do so speaking of do speaking of do do, Marv Albert was one of the subjects this week of a bonus episode. He is the 90s basketball sportscaster who said yes all the time when a shot went in. His hair was do do. His hair is. I love how he's progressed, like we said, with toupees over the years, though. He went from a black one to now it's pretty gray.

It's funny. He's got a salt and pepper toupee what the fuck either way it's crazy you can have any color you want yeah either way he's got a bad toupee and a rock hard cock and a real and a real hankering for hotel staff so check that out ladies undergarments oh boy and uh wearing them not them. And in addition to that, we also did for Small Town Murders, The Night Stalker, the Richard Ramirez documentary. We talked all about that. We even gave him a new nickname, didn't we? We gave him a new nickname, which I think is something when you can give a guy a serial killer that everyone's had a shot to talk about.

We named him something different. So you can check out what that name is. Everything like that at Patreon.com slash Crime and sports check that all out today and uh also in addition to that that'll make you a producer and jimmy will give you a shout out at the end of the show he'll mispronounce your name terribly even though he's trying to pronounce it correctly best i got this is all he's got guys that's it so he's trying his best. So I support him on that. So yeah, do all of that. You'll be a producer.

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and he loves his character and that's unbelievable that makes us feel great that's so nice he boston liam neeson is the shit we love him so we're just thrilled about that we'll we'll announce that on crime and sports too he'll be very happy to hear go listen to that show and find out why he's amazing it is joel tucker no it's not scott tucker it's not joel scott t's not Joel. Scott Tucker. Joel was his brother. Scott and Joel was his brother. Yeah. So check all that out. Scott Tucker was the episode and Andrew Theron's the hero. Go listen and find out why he's a goddamn hero.

He's great. He is. He's hilarious. So that said, everybody, speaking of heroes, we need to hear, I need to hear the names of my personal heroes, damn it. The people that keep our lights on, The people that keep food on our table. And all that sort of shit here. The people that keep it so our children don't look at us in shame.

These people, please hit me with a list of the most wonderful fucking people on the face of the earth right now. This week's executive producers are Kevin Spilker, Jordan Bennett, Lauren Adam Chiucci, I think. And their late pup Scrappy. They lost their pup, James. It's brutal. Oh, not the puppy. That might have been an Italian name, and you did okay with it. Good job.

The rest of them are Andrea Stanson, happy birthday, Raptor 1 from Raptor 2. That, I imagine, is an inside joke. Chrissy Ann Costaldi, of course. Hey, you like her? Thank you, Chrissy. She's wonderful. Melissa Glidewell, Keegan King, Thomas Kennedy, Jennifer Statton, the real Jason Roberts. He donated both ways.

Why, thank you. That guy's amazing. Thank you so much. Evita Kaxandra. I don't know. Also, Chris Kaiser, Andrew Hartel, Annette Zaruki, and Jordan Lanphair. Thank you guys so much for everything you do. It's truly fucking amazing.

Other producers this week are Mitzi G. And she said to tell Tina Lisicki that she had a birthday. Tina did. Happy birthday, Tina. Happy birthday to you. I missed it a couple weeks ago, I think. And so she reminded me. So it's late.

It's early. No, Jimmy. It's just very very early next year it's a very early one you're ahead of the game carl kirschner james uh yeah kirschner again with the umlauts i'm telling you carl umlauts kirschner corporal carl umlauts james martyr uh bailey elizabeth holland happy birthday uh peyton Meadows, Christina Bateman, Shauna Moose, Maria Kip Soosley, happy birthday. Jennifer Provan, Modo Fab, and his male calico cat, Paul. Oh, well, shit.

It's not. It's a female. He says that she identifies as Paul now. So there's that. Cats can do it for you. Good for that cat. That's fine. Yeah.

Yeah. Live your truth, cat. Robin Swanson, Amber Gwynnn and the memory of Rick Call. I don't know the story. Sorry, Rick. Don't need it. Sorry, Rick. Missing Rick.

Yeah. Janice Hill also. Thomas DeMello. Kyle Marsaglia. Marsaglia. Sure. Good. It's a type of chicken.

Yeah. Right? Yeah. It's in the chicken section. Yeah. It's right under Piccata. Chris Harrison. Jeff Watson. And Jeff Watson's keeping Chris on the right path. Jeff apparently is a really great dude, and they gave their last names, and that's against the whole thing, isn't it?

Against the whole anonymous part. I mean, I guess you can if you want to. There's no rules. But keep Chris going, Jeff. You're an amazing man. Thank you. Appreciate it. Other producers also are Retro Soul Sparkles, Matt Kerr, Susanna Platt, Gary Friedman, Charles Nelson Riley. I doubt it.

The guy was amazing. And that gives – Throwing confetti all over the place. Smoking a cigarette all the time. Came in giving us money, throwing confetti everywhere. That would be terrific. That's showing Gary Friedman's age, I think. He's called out Animal House

and Charles Nelson Reilly. I got a feeling Gary Friedman is about a 50-something-year-old dude. I was going to say, he was born in about 61. Yeah, who loves dick jokes. I like him a lot. And Ogie Oglethorpe.

I don't remember what movie that's from, but I know that's somebody I should know who he is. Probably. Probably a character from Stripes or something. You don't remember what movie that's from, but I know that's somebody I should know who he is. Probably. Probably a character from Stripes or something. You don't know. Right. Danny McMillan, Sheena Ramsey, David Beers, Adam Udaini, Adriana Justice, David Meadows,

Knuckle Supper or Studio Comic Books. Knuckle Supper. Cool. Not a sandwich. Whole goddamn supper. That's a lot. Jude Kendall, Robin Heyer, Paul Gruber, Joanna Kagan. Or is it Kagan? It's Kagan. Yes. for cool not a not a sandwich whole goddamn supper that's a lot uh jude kendall robin hire paul gruber joanna uh kagan or is it correct it's kagan yes john miller philip munn jeweler

christopher earnshaw casey handle julia sienter sientar sienter ashley vo george the bald cat he's also the benchmark for butthole pink in case you didn't know that okay i've learned that this week sarah pixie de leon jesse pitts rachel hawkin randy slaughter tara grimshaw mary marler olivia hudson victoria placo penis yeah you got to slow it down for real uh kevin palotta jake with no last name aaron salisbury a girl girl named Jeremy. That's a good song about you. Yeah, sure it is somewhere. Scott with one T, Heather Walter, Patty McCabe, Rick Smithson, Elizabeth Fegus, Melody Hart, Derek Phillips, Jake Benzo, Kendis with no last name, Sam Rizzo, Sam Smithers, Allie Roberge, Corey Kitzmiller, Jason Masula, Misty Martin, Carlin Blaylock, Amy Ford, Damian Maldonado, Matthew Haggerty, Michael Watts, Carrie Litka, Ora J. Matthews IV, Caitlin with no last name, Chris Nunyabiz, because he doesn't want us to know his last name.

That's why. That's cool. Well, thank you for your money. We appreciate you. We'll run with it. Thanks, Chris. Stephanie Tomey. Tomey? Tomey. Tomey. No. No. his last name that's why that's cool well thank you for your money we appreciate you we'll run with it thanks stephanie tommy or tome tome tome tome no no serena schloppetz uh rachel stanfield matt a maddie hallsworth bryce erdwin erdween erdwine i don't know carrie choleric monteleone, Montele... Why? Why don't we even try?

Monteleone. Michelle Remy, Rhyme, Jared Rapita, Vicky Stern, Victoria Luca, Rob Humphrey, Clara Dutton, Tyler Griffin, Tiffany Guillen, Natalie Ellis, Melanie Aguilar, Rob H., Bjorn Tenji, Tang, Tang, maybe, Tangi, Danny Dennis, Matt with no last name, Louise Fessner, Jesus, Charlie Crowe, oh boy, Colbert Chizik, God damn it, Karen Hanson, Tiffany Reyna, Megan Moorhead, David DeSmith, Jimmy with no last name, Emily with no last name, Irene, Irianne,

Macaulay, she knows who she is, Annie Hurt, Phyllis Barnwell, Laura Kirk, Jessica Martin, Jacob Williams, Misty Hood, Tucker Pendleton, Jessica Barker, Brendan with no last name, Patricia Temple, Lauren Bracken, Frank Southwell, Attorney Whisperer, Michelle Haunt-Honeman. Fuck. Stephanie Lennon, Christine Parsons, Mauricio Marico, Sims, Julie Kerrigan aiden baker jennifer uh manger mangerski there wow aiden's been along around long enough there's a fucking 18 or older one that's unbelievable wow i didn't know that name was that old really now it returned again did it's one of those yeah yeah all of a sudden like yeah i thought it was like 12 years old. Yeah, yeah. And the white people started naming their kids Aiden out of nowhere. Right.

Pontinus Fredrickson, Jennifer Manjerski, Brandon Black, Liv Brown, Madalena, Mimi Medlin, Laura Epley, Sarah Babcock, Lori Hill, Rat Fink, Jackie Arceo, Jenna States, Dylan Marong, Nicole, oh boy, oh boy, Anna Clarico, Gina Clarico, sorry, Nicole, it's too Italian. Tiffany Chai, I think that's Italian, I don't know, I'm dumb anyway. Abby Magula, Lauren with no last name, Nicole with no last name, Jeff Donkey Holden, Trey Dodson, Andy Hazard Sweet, Lady Wildflower, Andrew Skrzczynski, Carrie with no last name, Karen Schroeder or Schrader

who knows I don't know either way Sarah Hoffman what'd you say you pick Schrader Schroeder it's not up to us Sarah Hoffman Paige Loveless April Strickland Kim Brody Tom Kern Abby Serber Cherie Sherry Lynn Chavez

Matthews Ashley Precourt the Grandmaster Flex, Brittany Feldhake, Jennifer Addison, Ashley Floyd, Paige Nuncio, Samantha Anderson, Elle Ryan, Claire McLaren, Ariel Thompson, Ariel, Brandon Van Mindy, Dalton Brown, Stephen Franzen, Candace Martin, Christine Palmer. Nope, that's Christy. Just Christy. No N. Margie Wright, Lee Collins, Stacey Long, Hannah Jones, Coda Harrington, Allie Crotus, Navarra Good, Dominic the Christmas Donkey. Yes. There you go. Dylan Berry, Camden Broderick, Kendall with no last name, Amanda Prendergast, Anthony Gagliardi, Dave Beers, Peyton Hurst, Daniel Plummer, Corrupted Pineapple,

Bettany Evans, Kat Grace, Michael Schultz, Kelly O'Malley, David Stolz, Sybil Corbin, Kerry Gusso, Todd Rexrow, Stephanie Schubert, Alexandria Rasmussen. Troubles. Yeah, they're on the horizon. Danny Schubert, Alexandria Rasmussen. What? Troubles. Yeah. They're on the horizon. Legacy Game Mastering, Nick Bumgardner, Chris Johnson, Shantana Boards, Donna Magoo, JC Dages, Elizabeth Deschanel, Jesus, Jacob with no last name, Jay Gandy, Esther Hedberg, Sergio Perez, David Johns, Justin Klein, Christy Shove-In, Shove-In, boy oh boy, Sheetum Ashbrook, Angela Rogers, Stephanie Woods, Asmuz Amuz21, Olivia with no last name, Laura Eichels, Denise Enstrom, Kristen Brown, Zachary Gallantine, Gallanton, Glenton. Gashine Gun.

Yeah. Rissy Watson. Allison Vitrioso. Hadley Sheffel. BNBN. Zoe Ryan. Sarah with no last name. Yuliana.

What? Yuliana? Yuliana Bojanofa. Nice. There you go. That's not right. Ryan Spooden. Tricia Meyer.

Thomas Moorfield. Firing Blank Man. Maria Void, Vade, what is this? Michelle Sanchez, Ryan James, Matt G., Marion Partridge, Kenya, Raphael, Tim Azevedo, Laura Nguyen, Jared Kinsey, Ron Hayes, Peter Gaudreau, Jeffrey Timpson, FupaJuice666. Wow. Wow. Mike Rosser.

What is that? It's okay, then. Whoa. Richard Mozingo, Ruby Dayen, Laura Hankies, Hanks, Chanley Garber, Kristen Beffering, Nicole Alpeter, Brandy Hausenbueher, Hope Now, Aaron with no last name, Hannah Moran, Brady Marcus, Jonah Morgan, Christy Brayton, Mark McKinnon, Jonah Fifiliov, Michelle Hawkins. You're right.

I just gave up. Your tongue fell out of your mouth halfway through it. I started it and my mouth goes, you can't do it. Why would we try this? Nope, not finishing. Jessica Westfall, Mark D, Cody Washburn, Jackson Breck, Michelle Griffin, Mole Carquise,

Cody Dinette, Rayanna Etchide, Holly Bowman, Chris Pattinson, Kristen Haddow, Sikta, boy, oh boy. What else we got here? Sik, no. Katie Sika, oh boy uh what do we what else we got here sick no uh katie sick oh boy sicking nap with a p sick i print i i clearly misspelled that there's no way is a word i mean it could be we don't know it's possible i just want to hear you have a stroke

in the middle of it chris sutley cynthia boulet uh logan boycher bouchette butcher butcher Chris Sutley, Cynthia Boulay, Logan Boucher, Liam Coffey, Bandit, The Vicious Chihuahua's mom. Wait, I think The Vicious Chihuahua is a mom. Oh, wow. I don't know. Terrence Johnson, Ty Will, Derek Vranazan, Jane Feehan, Ashley Smart, Robert Tozzi II, Slime with no last name, Katie Werner, Ty Dancer, Rachel Fanguy, Caden Livingston, Braga the Brain Heenan, Billy Collaren, Marshall Geralt, Sarah Young, Sean Fick, and Alyssa Karras, and all of our patrons, obviously. You guys are terrific. Thank you so much. Thank you so much, everybody.

Honestly, from the bottom of our hearts, we really cannot thank you enough for all that you do for us. It's we take it very seriously. Like we said, any kind of money exchange, the show itself, we take as seriously as a fucking heart attack. And that's free. You know what I mean? So if you give us on its own for nothing, for nothing, if you give us money, we're like, oh, God, Jesus, this has to be really good. Now, I mean, it's got to be a return on this. They got to, like, laugh through the whole episode if they're paying for it.

So that's what we try to do on Patreon. So thank you for everything that you do for us there. What if someone wanted to thank you for everything that you do for them out there, Jimmy? How could they get a hold of you? I'm on the Internet. You can find me like Andrew Therandette at at wisman sucks whisman sucks on twitter and instagram thank you guys for being a part of this uh i've i've haven't been in a in a positive head space in in many years and today i am and it's because of you thank you where can they find you james yeah you can find me at jimmy p is funny and just google you can google us or google the

podcast yeah it'll say that we host it and whatever you'll get us you'll find us if you can't spell us but either way yeah you you've you've completely completely changed our lives and from something that wasn't so great to something that is definitely bearable so thank you so much absolutely magical and it's because of you hey guys we're gonna survive and it's your doing that's what it is you're to blame for it you've made life significantly less shitty and we appreciate that so i know that sounds like a backhanded compliment but from a couple of guys like us it's a gigantic compliment because uh we're cynical anyway and we that's a verbal hug that's a huge verbal hug that's what that is so whether you are whether you are brazenly stupid or criminally insane, either way, you want to come back week after week and keep listening to the show.

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