Small Town Murder - #223 - Disturbing, Depraved & Disgusting - Coventry Township, Ohio

Episode Date: May 13, 2021

This week, in Coventry Township, Ohio, someone decides to take a trip to "find themself", only to end up being a lot harder to find than was initially thought. As a matter of fact, they're dead. Not only dead, but murdered in an unthinkably brutal way, and that's only the start. A horrific discovery leaves everyone involved scratching their heads, and saying "how" & "why"... and "gross"! This one is quite a trip! Along the way, we find out that Connecticut thinks they have a little Ohio, that you might not want to purchase your murder tools on Amazon, and that a little bleach isn't enough to cover some smells!! Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman New episodes every Thursday! Donate at: patreon.com/crimeinsports or go to paypal.com & use our email: [e-mail] Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder & Crime In Sports! Follow us on... twitter.com/@murdersmall facebook.com/smalltownpod instagram.com/smalltownmurder Also, check out James & Jimmie's other show, Crime In Sports! On iTunes, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts# See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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My good Patreon.com slash crime and sports. Do we have some episodes for you this week? They are awesome, I must say. You're going to be stunned. They're so wild. First for the crime and sports one, which you have access to, obviously, you have all access to all bonus episodes. And the crime and sports ones are rarely about anything sports.

They're just about crazy stuff. We're going to do personal ads which is one that we do every every few months or so and man is it it's just a wild every once in a while we get a batch of them where we're just like what is going on i really love those in this world they're so funny and then for the small town murder one we are going to do the we're going to kind of do from now and now and again we're going to do childhoods of different serial killers just to compare and contrast and do some stuff and this week just because we did the you know to keep with the theme because we did the night stalker documentary we did richard ramirez's uh childhood and right up until basically until he gets to la and kind of got in depth of what the hell happened and i can't wait what are the what are the possible

reasons for what went wrong there and it was crazy so check that out i'm telling you good good stuff patreon.com slash crime and sports and you'll be a producer so jimmy will mispronounce your name at the end of the show while trying his best to get it correct can't wait can't wait that's great we're so excited can't wait that's great's great. Can't wait. That's great. That said, disclaimer time. Yeah. It's a comedy show. It is. This is a comedy.

That doesn't mean that the story is made up for comedic purposes or embellished in any way. These are, scarily enough, all true 100% facts. That's the scary part. I wish we could write stories that are this nuts. If we could write a different story of this length and this magnitude every week off the top of our heads, that would be impressive. Like Stephen King would be calling us like, how do you how do you how do you do that kind of volume? Guys, can you ghostwrite for me? Good God.

So, yeah, it's it's we couldn't make this up. Things happen. People get murdered all the time and we're going to tell a story about it. Jokes are going to happen. Absolutely. We go out of our way to do though is we try not to make jokes about the victim or the victim's family why because we're assholes but we're not scumbags that's how this works yes exactly that's our agreement there's lots of crazy stuff that happens around a murder that you can make fun of that it's just a crazy idea to try. I think I can get away with this absurd. You're an idiot.

No, you can't. So that said, if you don't think true crime and comedy should ever go together, maybe it's not for you. Maybe it is, though. But for everybody else who wants to hear a crazy story and have a good time, I think it's time to sit back and shout, shut up and give me murder. Let's do this, everybody. All right.

Let's go on a trip, Jimmy, shall we? Let's do this, baby. Let's get at her. We're going all the way, not too far, actually. We were in Wisconsin last week. We're going to stay in the Midwest this week. And the next week, East Coast. Then we're going to go out West.

We've got a lot of bouncing around to do. Terrific. But Ohio this week. Great. There we go. The Midwest. The heart of the Midwest. Coventry Township ohio sounds nice

right is that uh uh no i is it foul is that named after birds and shit it's coventry it's it's well i don't know we'll get to it okay it's northwest it's in northeast ohio okay it's up by like akron and cleveland and all that sort of thing there 15 minutes to akron right down to there lebron 50 minutes to cleveland oh so less than an hour to cleveland and three hours and 30 minutes to fairfield ohio which was episode 191 jesus uh since september 2020 and that was the one where uh people had tried to have a nice wedding by the river and uh severed legs washed up. Oh, yes. While they were taking their vows. So that was that's a Ohio never disappoints. The Midwest delivers for murder.

I will give the Midwest that they deliver for murder. I always say that there's a lot of serial killers in Cleveland and they like to store the person, keep them in captivity for long periods of time. And people don't notice that those people are missing, and they just assume they made it out. Good for them. Either that or, yeah. We don't need to look for them. So they just got lost in the—

They're clearly on the beach in Miami. Got lost in the glory of Cleveland. Good for them. They got away from it. They got out, man. Bob got out. No, he's not. He couldn't be dead.

He got out. He's not stuck in some freak's basement. That's interesting that you'd say that. Okay, keep that nugget in your brain, Jimmy. This is Summit County, area code 330, 9.2 square miles, one of which is on water. There's lakes right here. Portages, lakes, something is right there. Lake Portages. Oh.

Something with a port in the lake. Portages. Portages. Portages. Fuck it is. Portages? Something. I don't know. There's a lake there. Lake Portages. Something with a port in the lake. Portages. Portages. I don't know what the fuck it is. Portages? Something. I don't know. There's a lake there, and people live by it, so some of this is on the lake.

And the motto of this town is, quote, the heart of Portage Lakes. Portage. Portage. Portage. Portage. Portage. It's Italian. It's a portage.

Right. It's a portage lake. It's Portage-y. Right. It's a Portage-y lake. It's the Portage-y lakes. I come here every year, the Portage-y lakes. It's beautiful this time of year. Me and my family come all the way from Rome. The salted cured meat. That's what it is.

Tons of them. So there they are. That's the heart of the portage lakes and uh you know it's so funny it's outside cleveland so yeah it's one of those just like wisconsin put something with a suicide bar or whatever you want to do with it it's just we've beat cleveland to death and i feel bad doing it more put it that way so it's all closed it's all something history of this town it is the only Coventry township in the whole state. Wow.

That's interesting. A lot of things we hear all the time. This state, anyway. This state. There's three towns in the same state with the same name. How? Why? Why do you do it?

Why? When another one pops up, just be original. Yeah. They're going to stick with it. It does answer the question of why we need zip codes as a thing so coming to you're gonna find this odd this is like a kind of like a boring piece of history that is actually really weird that i just have to share and you're gonna find funny because it's a little it's confusing okay coventry township is part of the connecticut

western reserve is it yeah very western connecticut jesus you just you just skip Coventry Township is part of the Connecticut Western Reserve. Is it? Yeah. Very western for Connecticut. Jesus. You just skip Pennsylvania. Yeah. And then it's right there. And then we'll preserve that. Yeah.

In Township 1N, Range 11W. Okay. Okay. That's in a map book. That's okay. The Connecticut Western Reserve was a portion of land claimed by the colony of Connecticut for some reason, even though they're nowhere near it. And later by the state of Connecticut in what is now mostly the northeastern region of Ohio. So apparently Connecticut had claim to a bunch of Ohio.

This had been granted to the colony under the terms of its charter by King Charles II. A king allowed this? That's what we're talking about we're still in british rule here uh connecticut relinquished claim to some of the western lands to the united states in 1786 following the revolutionary war and uh but despite uh despite ceding sovereignty to to the united states connecticut retained ownership of the eastern portion of the south of Lake Erie. So like Cleveland, basically.

And then they were like, you know what? It's awfully far. You guys can have that back. We're going to the Indians are never good. It's just we foresee some hanging chads in that place. Something's going to go wrong here. There's a lake going to catch on fire. We're not we don't want a part of this.

going to go wrong here there's a lake going to catch on fire we're not we don't want a part of this it's it's sold much of this western reserve to a group of speculators who operated as the connecticut land company then sold it in portions for development when new people came the phrase western reserve is preserved in a bunch of things in ohio in ohio the western reserve academy case western reserve university western reserve hospital really yeah it's very it's still named that now yeah they they call it because people don't know what that means they i mean a lot of people there's no way most of the people that see it know what that probably not alive maybe if you live there but i mean maybe it's like on stuff you know if they have like a a piece of a statue or a historical marker or something of

why i don't know there's yeah but you can't just look at it and see those words and understand what that means you'd have to do some googling western yeah well that's true like first national bank you know what i mean yeah i'm sure that has some significance first interstate all that shit but i don't i don't give a shit that could be just marketing this is possible first anything first day we're the first damn it national sounds like the whole country claim to perfect so uh they said in the during the 1800s the western reserve area was quote probably the most intensely anti-slavery section of the entire country oh cool they were very much uh abolitionists here and uh apparently due to the fact that there's a lot of, you know, rails crisscross in this area and you have the lake to move shit over and go to Canada and things. This place, there was a lot of coal, iron, ore and steel.

And the county seat of Akron became a major site for the production of rubber and a bunch of shit like that. Cereal. Really? Yes. A lot of your cereal came from and a bunch of shit like that. Cereal. Really? Yeah. A lot of your cereal came from. General Mills? Shit like that? I guess.

Came from Akron and rubber. So cereal and tires. So if your cereal tasted a little rubbery back in the day. Like I just. I just. My Captain Crunch just doesn't taste. It's not as crunchy. My teeth are almost bouncing off of it.

It's very strange. What's going on here? At the drag race when we used to go. they do burnouts up front at the very beginning of the race. Yeah. And if you sat too close to the start line, if you had a soda, you would have, the rubber rains down on you. You don't realize that cloud, it's making chunks.

It's hot. Yeah. And then you're- Coming down from it. And then you're drinking Sprite with little sticks in it. And you're like, what are those sticks? That's fucking, that's tire. You tire trying to like scoop them out it's gross it's very gross changes the flavor with your straw lemon lime and rubber and burned rubber

tasty jesus christ but it was no apparently the bf goodrich company firestone tire goodyear tire were all located in akron at the same time. Fascinating. So it was known as the rubber capital of the world. Which could, oh, I mean. Yeah, exciting. Lots of innuendo there. Very exciting. Benjamin Franklin Goodrich lived here, B.F. Goodrich himself. That was his name.

His name was B.F. Goodrich. His name was Benjamin Franklin Goodrich. That's right. That's B.F. Goodrich right there. Harvey Samuel Firestone. Oh, my God. These people sound made up because of these old company names you wouldn't even think about. It's so funny.

These are big wigged fellas that we have on the side of tires. Absolutely. These are retired douchebags. They're just tires around their neck that they're wearing as jewelry. Yeah. And also, John Brown, the abolitionist was resided here for a long time. And I guess that was because it was kind of a hotbed of abolitionist behavior. So the reviews of this town only could find one review of the town.

And it's just this town is a it's very dull sounding. I'm going to be honest. A lot of towns will say, like, this sounds real panhandly. This sounds real hickey. This one sounds kind of upper crusty, bougie and shit. We'll say all these different things. This town sounds boring. This sounds like this town that Kevin Bacon would have to drive to the outer limits of to dance or something.

You know what I'm saying? It's just boring. This is absolutely where spiders inhabit, and that's the biggest thing that happens here. Yeah, I feel like there's a lot of kids that are like 16 going, can't wait to get out of this town. Like, I'm going somewhere, either for college or just something. I'm going to hitch a train. I don't even care. I've got to get out of this goddamn place.

It just sucks. I don't know if it sucks, but it's just boring. You know what I mean? So, put it that way. Dull would be the way it sounds. One review, three stars. So just not, I don't hate it. I don't love it.

Just like the town. Quote, I love that it's very family friendly and isn't very noisy. I wouldn't mind more diversity in my neighborhood. Boring is what that says. Your kids won't be stolen from your front yards more than likely. It's sort of quiet, but that's it. It's safe because there's no attraction for anybody to come here. That's what is boring.

And that's what it is, too. And this town is kind of, but I mean, it's, I guess, a nice place to raise a family. I don't know if you want to raise a safe. Sure. If you want to be bored, some people want to be bored. Absolutely. So go there. But it's like a lot of smaller Cape C style homes in this area cool yeah that's so it's got it's got some flavor when it comes to that it's not just kind of sometimes you picture you think

of the midwest and fairly or unfairly you just kind of think of kind of not cookie cutter but you know west coast is the cookie cutter arizona utah those are all nevada those track houses right but this is still a laid out plan and design whether or not they're track homes or whatever but it's just planned yeah this is an older town so there's it's kind of cool you know there's a couple of cool things here right uh people in this town 10,911 great not not too bad down 3.4 percent since 1990 which ohio has had people. Yeah. It's been shedding people for quite a while here. Male and female population. It's actually kind of flip flopped a few more males than females. Median age is a little bit older than normal. It's almost 45. It's usually about 37 and a half.

But just a few more older people. It's kind of skewing that way. A little toward the more boring side. Sure. That's all. Married population is actually less than normal, which you would not expect, actually, from here. Every once in a while, you get a stat that's kind of like, well, that doesn't make any sense. Single with no children, 16.5%. Holy shit. It's usually 10.3%.

So get your party on. Get in here. Coventry Township. If they got a couple of bars in that town they're hopping single and no kids no kids 16 single 16 almost one in five yeah that's pretty good man wow that's good that's not bad if you're single looking for something that's you got it uh divorce rates a little higher than normal though too so you're gonna have that maybe they got divorced without having kids though there's that that's're going to have that. Maybe they got divorced without having kids, though. There's that. That's getting out.

When you pull that off, you got out ahead of time. Those people I'm impressed with. Yeah. Anybody who realizes this didn't work before you brought someone else's life into it. Two things. Because I couldn't do that. I didn't pull that off. Two things I can't do with you.

Buy a house or have kids. Yeah. That's amazing. Yeah. Or they just weren't ready for kids yet and then realized they didn't like each other but they didn't like have a kid to try to save it is what i'm getting at they weren't like we this isn't working you know what we're gonna have a kid we're gonna try if that doesn't work we'll have one more and then that's it we're called quits if it doesn't work you're such a piece of shit i don't even want to try that with you that's it yeah good for you p

pat on the back incredible hats off to you uh race of this town 95.2 percent white pretty white yeah i would say 1.6 percent black okay which i mean within the that vicinity to akron and cleveland is very little black people and being that this town was home to lots of abolitionists yeah that's pretty wild i don't know if that that translates today for anything. I'm going to move to Akron because John Brown lived there in 18-fucking-58. But historically, if families set up shop there for years and years and years, because of the fact that they're free there, you'd think that there'd be generations of black people there who just were jacked about being free.

Or perhaps there just wasn't enough black people that were free to get them there and that's also possible and it's weird because ohio has kind of like towns that are like have different flavors to them because what's the town jave chapelle lives in i don't even know what it's called what is it youngstown is it young no it's not youngstown that's the bigger one that's the that's the one with never mind that's when we were talking about a lot with maurice claret what the hell where the fuck is i don't remember i can't remember either it doesn't i was gonna ask you if this is where dave chappelle is because uh definitely not because i don't know they would talk about it a lot i assume rather than benjamin franklin goodrich yeah that would be on your sign home of

dave chappelle something or at least on somewhere uh asian 1.3 asian, and 1% Hispanic, which is quite low, I would say. It's very low. Religion, a little under average, about 47% religious. And it's mostly Catholic here, which is, I guess, I don't know. It's up north, yeah? It's up north somewhere, but it's not. But if you go to Wisconsin or Minnesota, there's much more. Yeah, you're into more of a Lutheran type of flavor.

This may be the last bastion for catholics that's it anywhere it's last stop for catholics everybody the train whistle blowing no catholics past this point west of here is a little unsafe for you guys sorry quite as enthusiastic about you back there uh 0.4 percent jewish so sorry about that no no singing no dancing this week uh 0.3 percent muslim uh politically last election that was 54 percent of people in summit county voted democratic and 44.4 percent voter republican and only 1.7 independent so what decided decide well that's because very decided ohio is a swing state. You see more of an independent vote in the states that are givens.

You know what I'm saying? Because there are people like my vote doesn't matter. I'll vote for fucking Mickey Mouse. What do I care? You know, it's going this way anyway. Whereas a state like Ohio, I think people are like, this actually counts. Yeah. You know, I should actually vote for the person I think would do a better job.

That is the number one write in candidate. Yeah. Still today. I'm not going to. Yeah. You know, I should actually vote for the person I think would do a better job. That is the number one write in candidate. Yeah. Still today. I'm not going to. Yeah, I'm not going to write in Hulk Hogan on this one just because maybe not. If you're writing in Mickey Mouse, you're a fucking asshole. Yeah. Even if he won, how's he going to take office? This is what I mean. What's going to what's going to take? Is it the voice of Mickey Mouse? Do we just put a costume or do we animate the State of the Union speeches? How does that work exactly? Stop doing it.

Hello, Madeleine Albright. Stand on this green screen while the President of the United States meets you. My fellow Americans. No, I can't do it. I'm not doing it. No. Unemployment rate in this town is 4.6 percent which is higher than the national average right now and uh the meat the household income though is right around normal average normal in the

country it's about 57 and a half thousand here it is 55 000 okay so pretty close few more manufacturing jobs than normal and that's kind of why i think the unemployment will ebb and flow with a couple percent if factory shuts down there's a couple percent of the people out of work and pretty decent scratch too and would that make decent money exactly a living you know a livable wage uh cost of living overall it is 79 out of 100 so not that bad housing is the lowest thing that's a 59 out of 100 median home cost 136 500 bucks which is that's pretty that's low it's about 231 in the rest of the country so that's that's very low and in this area of the country where it snows so fucking heavy those are some cheap leaky houses right oh well yeah they're

those are houses you have to fix and you have to fix roofs a lot right like that roof doors there's a draft in these motherfuckers oh yeah you're gonna well it's an older house yeah anything anything older once it settles a little things aren't even anymore there's always something imperfections with these old houses where you're like hmm that's not good yeah someone have to fix that that's gonna be expensive someday and you'll you'll humor yourself going well i mean it's been like that for probably 50 years so i mean so it's probably fine it's honestly i feel like I would be ruining it by changing it. I don't know. I'd ruin the historical significance of this.

Yeah. What I'm doing. Apart from how my dick shrivels when I get out of the shower. That's a problem. Because it's freezing right there. That's an issue. But I think I can live with it. So, about 80% of the houses here are worth under $200,000.

It's a lot of kind of smaller houses, too. There aren't a lot of huge houses. So if we've convinced you, damn it, the only place for you is Ohio. We have for you the Coventry Township, Ohio Real Estate Report. Your average two-bedroom rental here is lower than the rest of the country. Your average two-bedroom rental here is lower than the rest of the country. It's about $810, which is normal to the housing price. I found a two-bedroom, one-bath, 924 square feet.

It's a little bit run down. It's brown. But it's near the lake. It's within striking distance of the lake. So you have that, 924. Not even a thousand. Not even a thousand. Not even, no. It's closer striking distance of the lake. So you have that. $924. Not even $1,000. Not even $1,000. Not even close. Not even, no.

It's closer to $9. Yeah. $79,900, though, and you could be near a lake. Okay. So that could be, if you do okay, if you're doing decent, you could get almost a second place to go to the lake. Yeah, I don't know. If you live nearby, I'm not buying it, but someone could. I found a three-bedroom, one-bath, 1,592 square feet.

Kind of your standard family home. Decent little house. Nice porch. Sure. Good yard. Yeah. Messed up, half-falling-down chain-link fence in the backyard. Oh, that's not good.

That's a bad sign. That's not good. That's like when you see the droopy ceiling fans. You go, ooh, something bad. Right. Somebody gave up around this place. How long did they give up for? that's what you have to then inspect also chain link is about two feet deep so you got two feet of lazy soil and down oh boy i don't know or just messed up chain link one of

the two 139 900 for this little piece of heaven though yeah and finally i found a three bedroom three bath it's 3236 square feet okay so it's a nice house it's on a third of an acre so not the hugest lot but not a tiny lot it's a nicely done house it's got like the kind of pointy almost like a what's that pointy entrance yeah kind of but then it's brick on the side of it it's it almost looks like if you and if you drew it it would look like a little house from a fairy tale. A little tiny castle. It's a weird little house, but it's a cool kind of looking architecture,

nice yard. $634,900, though, for this, which seems steep. Yeah. You should be able to get more Ohio for that, I feel like. Right? More land, for sure.

Am I crazy? a little little more of a i expect more ohio from you for for more than half a million dollars very much more yeah 135 000 more that's a lot uh things to do i found the highway 77 music festival oh my jimmy one guess what kind of music that is uh that is uh blues no that's a country yeah it's gonna be country it's island that is a hardcore southern rap obviously so it's gonna be held at the tom benson hall of fame stadium this is near the canton like near the football hall of fame in canton this place is tom benson do i know who that is i don't know who that is tom benson hall of fame yeah i just hear Fame Stadium. Oh, I'm sure there's

a bunch of Tom Bensons, and this is where they honor the best Tom Bensons. This is the Hall of Fame of Tom Bensons. If I just hear Benson, I think of the show Benson. I just think of, yeah, Robert Goulet. No, that's not. Is that Goulet? Goulet? No, that's the other guy.

It's not Robert Goulet. No, that's a white guy who's the canadian guy who sings weird yeah i'm talking about yeah fuck how do you say his name i don't know he's great though he's fucking fantastic and i loved benson when i was a kid so anyway uh it will feature live music from top artists and these this is amazing where country is always funny to me because if you don't know anything about it it's like to me i'll hear these names and i'm like i don't know who these people are they could sell they could be multi-platinum artists that like millions and millions of people

have blasting out of their trucks and i would have i'm like okay you'll know them i will um dan and shay yeah you know who? Yeah, they're douchebags. They're dorks. Kelsey Ballerini. No. Maddie and Tay. Yeah. Eric, oh, Pazley.

I almost called him Eric Palsy. That would have been. Wow. Is that Eric Palsy? Eric Pazley. You know who that is? And Tyler Farr. Yeah. Tyler Farr. Yeah.

Tyler Farr's good. I like him. They're all going to be there at this. It's a bunch of douche country. That's what it is. Oh, is this like a poppy country? Yeah, shit you hear on the radio. Yeah.

And they're not the biggest stars. They're fine. They do fine. They sell shows. But those guys all open for somebody else. That's what that is. It's like a bunch of features doing a festival. Yeah, it's a bunch of middle acts. All those guys open for Brad Paisley.

It won't just once in their career. Except for Eric Paulsey. He can't open for Brad Paisley because it's just too confusing. It's too confusing. Paisley and Paisley can't be together. I'm sorry. So they have delicious food and drinks shopping in our marketplace. I'm sure there's plenty of merch.

For a VIP experience, purchase our Red Zone Pass. Oh, yeah. And view the show in reserved standing room in front of the stage. Tickets start at $65. $77. I knew it. That's so expensive. It's fucking obnoxious.

This music does great. Very expensive. Oh, that's what I mean. That's what I said. It makes so much money. Do you know why, James? Between them, they probably sold 50 million albums, and I'd have never heard of one of those people, and I called the one guy palsy by accident. So this is not good. Do you know why, James? Between them, they probably sold 50 million albums, and I'd have never heard of one of those people, and I called the one guy palsy by accident.

So this is not good. Do you know why they sell? It's because their audience generally... Look, I'm not going to make any... I'll make it. You like country music. Yeah, I love country music. This audience can't figure out how to steal this. That's why. There you go.

You're inside the tent. You can turn, and you can punch whoever you want. You can dump over the buffet table. You're in the tent. I'm going to stay outside the tent, because I'm outside the tent. You can turn and you can punch whoever you want. You can dump over the buffet table. You're in the tent. I'm going to stay outside the tent because I'm outside the tent. You're in it. I have the drink bracelet too. That's what I'm saying.

I should be screaming that under the tent. The majority of us realize that this is successful because you guys are too fucking stupid to figure out technology to steal this shit. You know what, guys? I don't know anything about it, but I believe in what he's saying. He sounds passionate, and I believe in him right now. I believe in him. I get to the aisle where they sell the whole jeans, you fucking jerks. Oh, God.

The holy jeans. Stop it with the holes. Looks like, well, I've been out on the ranch. Got this ripped up. No, you haven't. Got this ripped up by a bull last week jeffrey you work in the bank you know where the fucking real genes are also if you don't want to go to that that's a little too expensive for you let's say you can always go to farmapalooza 2021

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i don't know eric ballsy i don't know this guy. I don't know anything. What if it rains? All the more fun. Bring an umbrella and a sense of adventure. We will have tents set up at the pavilion at the caboose, and the caboose is fully operational. There you go. Wear weather-appropriate shit. The caboose, doesn't that just get dragged around? I have no idea. Maybe you go in it like a diner is in a train car.

Maybe. One of those. I don't know what happens in the caboose. I don't know either. I just know it's at the ass. Yeah, well, it sounds like bad things happen there, probably. It's operational back there. It's operational.

Watch out. Crime rate in this town, a little bit. Property crime is slightly over the national average, actually. Really? Which is, you wouldn't expect, I don't think, here. Just by the way everybody sounds, it's like it's so boring. Deuce country fans love that great shit. You know what?

I'm breaking something. Violent crime, though, murder, rape, robbery, and assault, the Mount Rushmore of crime, is about half the national. Oh, they don't have the balls. Nope, they won't follow through on it. I ain't going to hit you, pal. Well, that's why I got work in the morning. Yeah.

So murder, let's talk about this. Let's talk about a murder in this town. I think it's- It's I think it's only right. The scene is set. It's set, and we need to not go back very far for this one. We're going to go back to 2017. Oh, just pre-COVID, that's all. Yeah, pretty much just the other side of that.

Easy going. Just before we put masks on. Easy peasy. So let's get into it here. We have some murder to talk about let's talk about a couple married couple uh they were married in 1994 yeah and it's 2017 and they're still together so remarkable right off the bat 23 that's like yeah 23 years not bad good job well done this is harold eubank and his wife, Marsha. Harold is 54.

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But they have two adult sons named Howard Jr. and Zachary. So not Howard and Howard Jr., because that would be weird. You're just Howard, but he's Howard Jr. and Zachary. So not Howard and Howard Jr. because that would be weird. You're just Howard, but he's Howard Jr. Which are both Howard. You're going to name our first son Howard with a different middle name. That baby doesn't look like my seat.

I'm not sure about it. I'm so proud of that one. He's still Howard, don't get me wrong, which is not Jr. And then the other one comes out. That one I am proud of. That's a Howard right there. That looks like me.

So they have Howard and Zachary. And the older one, I'm sorry, Howard Sr. here. Did I call him Harold before? I think so. I mean to call him Howard, not Harold. Either way, the name so far does not sound like somebody that we're discussing in 2017. No, Howard Eubank. I guess Marsha could be, his wife Marsha.

Howard Eubank and Marsha Eubank. That sounds like 67 all over it. I could see that. Absolutely. Especially Marsha and Brady Bunch. There you go. Eubank, I think of Bob Eubank. I do.

Yeah. That's what we Eubanks. I do. Yeah. That's what we do. So they have those. And then Howard Sr. has three grown sons from a prior marriage. So he got, and they've been married for 23 years. So 31. He's got like 70 years of marriage. A lot of marriage under his belt and a shitload of kids too.

He's got five kids to speak of here. So Howard Jr. is 29. He lives with his parents in 2017, but he works a lot, too, and stuff like that. So Josh, Joshua Eubank, he says that his parents, they never had the best marriage or anything like that, but he never really saw any physical anything. His dad never hit his mom or anything like that. According to him, he just said it was a lot of arguing. No, no, this is Howard. Howard is from this marriage with Marsha.

Okay. I'm sorry. Joshua. This is Joshua. So Joshua was from the first marriage, but he lived with them. Okay. So that's his dad and his stepmom. Okay. And he From the first marriage. Joshua's from the first marriage, but he lived with them. Okay. That's his dad and his stepmom. And he said they never really.

They're doing great together. Well, not really. He said they didn't have the best marriage, but there wasn't any physical abuse. So I guess that's in this day and age. Good for you. Some argument. I suppose. Yeah.

He said, quote, growing up, it sucked. It was a volatile house. So, yeah, nobody likes living in that environment when people are fighting all the time. Yeah. Even if there's no fist fighting, the verbal assault, it can wear on you. It does. And just think about, well, when we talked about Richard Ramirez's childhood in the bonus episode, that made him do some weird shit. That's in the episode.

But there you go. So, yeah, it's a volatile place. Howard Jr. said that his father was, quote, an asshole for sure. Oh, don't get me wrong. He's an asshole always. I mean, through the years. Was your father an asshole through the years? He was an asshole, yeah, for sure.

Through the years. But for sure is my favorite here. But he said that he, quote, never laid hands on my mother. So consistent through all the kids is, dad's a bit of a dick. Never beat up mom, though, that we saw. I wish the kids gave real examples. I would love to hear some dickish examples. I'd like to judge the level of asshole.

That's all. I want to hear when they went to that trip to Six Flags that one time. What did he ruin? Dad ruined it and he freaked out and ripped the side view mirror off the car and threw it at another car because it took his spot or some shit, lost his goddamn mind. That's what I want to hear. Dad spiked a lumberjack slam on the floor of the Denny's. You didn't expect that to be a piece of shit dad jerked one of the kids off the loop-de-loop roller coaster before it started because he

was talking back yanked him right with a safety harness i want to hear that some shit like that but no examples unfortunately he just said they argued a lot and the only assault that he knew of was the times when his mother assaulted his father he goes she hit him once in a while but he never hit her that i know of right and usually to kids that grow up in the house they know everything that's going on in the house even if they try to pretend like they don't sure they fucking know everything they don't want to but they do they can't help it especially if you live in a smaller house they don't live in a you know 8 000 square foot house where i was in the west wing i didn't hear a damn thing also Also, if you make no attempt or have any sort of empathy for what you're doing to your children, if you make an attempt to keep it away from them, you can do it.

Because I know dudes who they had no idea that their parents hated each other until they got out of the house. Then their parents got a divorce and they were broken up about it. They're like, I can't believe it. They were always so happy. I don't know why they're so miserable now. They weren't happy. They might have been kept it from you. like, I can't believe it. They were always so happy. I don't know why they're so miserable now. They weren't happy. They just kept it from you.

Yeah, they might not have been volatile, though. They might have just been quietly unhappy. Whereas these two, I guess, are arguing a lot and shit like that. It's outwardly angry. Yeah, you're going to hear it. And if you live in a 1,300-square-foot house, you're hearing every argument that goes on. I don't care if the kids see it. Yeah, if it turns physical, it's going to rattle door frames.

Yeah. I mean, people are going to know about it. Sure. He also says that he recalls times that he thought that his mother should have called the police because he thought his father was about to hit her. Oh, Jesus. He said it would get to the point where he was like, oh, shit, he's about to fucking knock her out.

And then it wouldn't happen. But it would get to those points to the point where it was scary where he was like someone should probably call the cops soon when a kid's thinking that that's it's already past that yeah that's not a great relationship they're stopping this now at least the kids thinking at least i'd like to see my dad not hit my mom or vice versa or any of this shit maybe we could just go for pizza everybody what do you think anybody how about Six Flags again? That was fun, right? I know there was a couple incidents,

but, I mean, it was better than this. At least Dad was taking out his rage outwardly instead of at us, so it was better. So, Marsha Eubank, she works for nursing homes always. That's her game. She works for nursing homes. She's in the nursing home game yeah it's a good career path yeah yeah it's good i mean it's there's always people in nursing homes that's not going away they're always full yeah and people are it's

there's never going to be a shortage of people who will you know give off their sick family member old family member to a place all it costs is a little bit of money fucking yeah yeah and that's not and it's only a lot of times for their own good right i mean my uh grandmother was in bad shape and she couldn't there was nothing she not italian grandma the other one can't do anything for herself another grandmother she yes we have day jobs you have to put her in a home and that's it is what it is i mean it's for her own they need medical constant medical supervision right things like that so that's always going to be there. She graduated high school in 1987 from Green High School. And, yeah, she's been working kind of in different nursing homes.

She didn't have a job for a couple years, it seems like. She worked at one nursing home and then in 2013 stopped working there and kind of wasn't working for a couple years. And then she kind of, we'll will talk about she gets another job. Howard Senior drives a truck. Hell, yeah. He's a truck driver. He does maintenance for Warren Pump and Supply Company in Akron. What's that?

They do pipes. I don't know what kind of pipes, but pipes of some kind. He does stuff like that. And Marsha cleaned also cleaned at the chapel hill retirement community in canal fulton on and off around this part too so they're working you know they're hard-working people now um howard had worked for this place for 10 years he said he drove a truck he did things like that uh apparently he did a little bit of everything and his his supervisor said he has a very good disposition

and people quote like him real well okay so there you go yeah i like him real well good for you very proper so yeah i mean at work so that's the other thing too a guy could be even i'm not saying he was but let's say a guy is like a jerk to his wife and all that. A lot of guys, especially older guys, could do that, but at work be the greatest guy in the world. Employee of the month. Yeah. And he's like, oh, yeah, I was going to help you out. Boy, he's right here. He's the greatest guy.

And he goes home and he's just beating the shit out of his kids and his wife. It's a nightmare. That happens a lot, especially, like like i said the older generation for some reason so uh howard also problem is and this is not at work obviously because he has a sterling record there but howard likes to drink yeah he's a drinker and he's a hard worker and a drinker and functioning alcoholic so at times it seems like yes and his drinking ebbs and flows as a lot of people's do when they're trying to get a little better and then it doesn't work. And then you get frustrated with something and back to the sauce.

Back to it. He has apparently a few DUI charges that he's had over the years. Yeah, it's not. He's no stranger to DUIs. Wow. He's had a few DUIs. Driving is not his best field. Had a few DUIs.

Driving is not his best field. He had a couple of, you know, no license and driving over the speed limit and all this other shit and drunk driving charges. And booze and cars and Howard are a bad mix, basically. And it's never stopping. It's not. Marcia never has any of that stuff. She's not really a drinker or anything like that. It's Howard. She's not really a drinker or anything like that.

It's Howard. Now, over the course of the beginning of 2017, Howard Jr. says his father seemed to be getting better about drinking, in his mind, from what he saw. Now, Howard Jr. is not in the house all the time right now. He lives there, but he works long hours. So, I mean, if you work 12 hours a day, you're not seeing much of what's going on in the house. And he's got his own. He's 29. He's got his own life.

I'm sure he's not like, okay, Mom and Dad, what are we watching on TV tonight? Sitting between them on the couch and shit. You know, it's 2017. He's got some sort of. He's betwixt them with the popcorn bowl. Yeah, he's swiping one direction or the other in his bedroom. Trying to get the fuck out of the house. He's doing something, yeah. Or he's too tired to and he's passing out after a long day at work either one here uh it doesn't matter but he says that

howard jr says he and his father went out for beers a few times over the early part of 2017 and howard didn't get drunk he said for his dad he said for his dad not to get drunk is you know that was something normally you go out to a bar he's getting shit-faced so is he he's one of those people that you can you can tell when he's drunk yeah apparently apparently he didn't have like nine beers they went out they had three beers and they went home rather than having you know i don't care how well you handle booze if you have nine to ten beers you're fucking drunk that's what i mean and also you the thing is after that too maybe you'll start

going into i'll take a couple of shots too and then it's really gonna escalate quickly and that's when people get real sloppy and shit so he said also during that point he thought his parents appeared to be getting along better and he attributed that directly to his father's less drinking right he's like those two things hand in hand. Weird, right? Isn't that strange? It's strange that if you can cut off a little bit of some substance abuse, your relationships in your close personal circle, they thrive. Yeah, absolutely. They do so much better. They seem to do better.

It's weird. It's just an odd thing. It's weird that something that is a foreign substance to your body would pollute your behavior. Yeah, that you have to have on a daily basis or else you won't act normally. It's strange, very strange. To me, from the outside right now, it looks like this isn't anything out of the ordinary.

He drinks a little too much. They fight, but it's not like a physical fight that people need to intervene in or anything like that. They just not getting along they're they have older grown kids they might you know might have grown apart or something this seems this is a pretty you know average normal thing that happens here this is not uh feels very very midwestern americana yeah we yeah the kids are here you know when the kids are not going to break up while the kids are there and once they're out of the house then they can figure it out so uh now her howard's sister lauralee she said that her brother struggled with a drinking problem for many many years yeah and uh she wasn't sure about the beginning of 2017 but she said in may of 2017 she noticed that he was drinking even more than he

usually did ever before at that point yeah so i don't know if howard jr just wasn't around as much then to realize it but he said that uh she said at one point that he got so drunk that he that howard had to call marcia his wife to come pick him up from howard's brother's house's house because he was too drunk to drive, which, hey, you know what? That's growth. If you've got a guy with a bunch of DUIs, ideally don't drink while you're out with the car. That would be obviously the best thing to do.

But failing that, failing not drinking while you're there, at least you did drink you didn't try to drive so carve the path out in the pre-planning yeah to get there and back without driving that's the thing but sometimes you go somewhere you're like i'm just gonna pop in say hello and they have a drink then a couple drinks then a couple more drinks then all of a sudden you're drunk yeah but if you make that phone call good for you i'm just saying step in the right direction you know big deal rather he just didn't get shit faced when he was here too irresponsible to have a way home but better than driving plowing into a you know a bus full of nuns so my man it's fine yeah he says uh yeah and she says laura lee says that um marsha was not happy with this at all. Very, very angry, screaming, yelling at him.

And not only that, got out of the car to get him and was yelling and screaming and pushed him a few times to calling him irresponsible. And, you know, Marsha, Marsha, Marsha, Marsha, Marsha. She was none too happy with Howard here. So inconvenience, annoying. I don't even know. I mean, we don't know. That's 23 years.

You don't know what builds up in 23 years. Like I said, you would almost think, oh, wow, she'll probably be happy that he didn't drive home and get another DUI. Cost us thousands. Cost us another 10 grand and however much at this point. He's had a few, so maybe jail time for him and whatever that. But apparently it got real heated and volatile over that now a neighbor bill channel old bill here here we go the channel lock fortune that's that's he is he's part of the uh the good riches and they they all lived in the same neighborhood those blue grips channel not the

vices of the vice grip fortune also lived over there. Jonathan Arthur Stanley of the Stanley Tool conglomerate. He also was right down the block. There's a lot of different people. James Worthington Craftsman, I believe, is from this area, if I'm not mistaken. You got to head on over to that Makita mansion. It's a beaut. The thing they did that lots i like the artsy yeah the the topiaries it's very nice good job good job makitas ice tea

is hired to uh officiate the craftsman wedding the craftsman here we go congratulations to mr and mrs craftsman if you don't know what we're talking about from last week, there's an episode of the first 48 that Ice-T narrates and it's fucking hilarious. He does a great job, first of all, narrating. Everything's very dramatic, but the lead homicide detective's name is Zimmerman and he calls

him Zimmerman the entire time. Detective Zimmerman's got a clue. And you're like, hell yeah, Zimmerman man fucking deliver it makes it detective sans teeth seems so much oh that poor zimmer man what a weird guy zimmer man is he's got no teeth he's been in homicide for like 20 years never never married and has lived in the same apartment for 25 years apartment apartment which is just a strange what a weird not in new york city it's like tulsa or some shit yeah it's very weird i will sign another lease you bet you for 25 years. Apartment. Apartment, which is just a strange... What a weird name. And not in New York City.

It's like Tulsa or some shit. Re-upped. Yeah, it's very weird. I will sign another lease, you betcha. Just in a complex, you know what I mean? Very strange guy. Mr. Zimmerman. But he's had his name mispronounced by Ice-T.

That's pretty cool. So that's pretty damn cool. That's pretty cool. I'd like to have him fuck my name up. I want him to read the shelves. Yeah. Imagine if you gave him petra gallo is he on uh is he on cameo if i just send him the list of people would he read them do you think that's a thing probably not it'll take you so long yeah i don't care how long it's like 10

names just pick a cross if i buy seven cameos will you read all these names how many cameos will you read all these names? How many cameos will it take, Ice-T? To read eight minutes of shit. Ice-T, read our names! Come on, T! How many? Anybody with a man on it? I want to hear him stutter. Zimmerman? Oh, shit. What is this? What is that? Zimmerman. No. Zimmerman. Yeah, that's right.

So, back to Bill Channel here. He lives across the street from the Eubanks. Yeah. And he's lived in his home since 1969. So he's OG of this neighborhood. Wow. Think about that.

He's lived there for 50 goddamn years in this joint. I'm trying to figure out if that's like early success. You did it. You've made it and stick around. Or is that like just settling for what you've got maybe is that good nice house maybe he's happy maybe he's happy maybe it's the perfect place he's jacked we're never we're not happy people so we don't understand when someone's like i'm pretty content i'm gonna hang on to this forever we'd be like just go somewhere else even if it's

not better just you have to move don't you so's lived there. He used to hang out with Howard. He used to be a buddy of Howard back in the day, and he would work on car repairs. They would mess with cars together and stuff. They were good neighbors. But he said late 2000s, like 2008-ish, they stopped hanging out as much because Howard started drinking more and more. And he said that Bill Channel doesn't even drink at all. So he was like, I don't drink, so I just, it was getting, you don't want to hang out with a guy who's shit-faced in the garage when you don't even drink. It's less fun.

The worst. Yeah, not as much fun. Literally the worst. So he said he stopped going over there as much, and eventually they just kind of stopped hanging out. He did hear, though, back and forth, and he talks to them a little bit, they just don't hang out. He heard that Marsha gave her husband an ultimatum in june of 2017 to quit drinking or get the fuck out of the house that was that you either get out or you stop drinking period and uh he said that uh very shortly after that howard just uh took off and went to Texas.

So he was like, he said, you know, that was it. He was drinking. She told him to quit drinking or leave. And next thing you know, he moved to Texas. So apparently he picked booze. Chose the booze. Yeah. Bill was like, chose the booze. 23 years of marriage and he chose the booze.

Quit drinking or leave. And he was like, well, I'm going to get packing. I'm going to take the six pack and go to the room i'll stop and get it start jamming my underwear in a ziploc that's what i'm gonna do get my secret bottles that i got stashed that you don't know about over here all right grab me a glad bag throw these couple of coveralls and i'm out this house yeah that's that's it and um so that's about that uh he ends up uh he apparently goes off to Texas, and family and neighbors all were told he's going to Texas. And they said, too, he would go, he drives trucks, and sometimes there would be a job where he'd have to be out of town for a little while.

So he'd be gone for a week or two at a time sometimes. And it was not abnormal for Howard to be out of town for a while. And so nobody thought anything of it. That's fine. Howard's going to Texas. They don't know if he's leaving for good or if he's going on a job. Because you could say, at work, somebody has to go do this Texas job. And he's like, I'll do it.

You know what? Perfect thing. I'm going to go apartment hunting anyway. Perfect thing to get. I need a break. Something like that. His sister, Laura Lee, who we've talked about before, she saw her brother at the end of May, Howard, and said the two of them were close and would always exchange text messages and stuff like that

and talk on the phone all the time. And, you know, they were very close. She said that she got a text from Howard in mid-June. This was after he went to Texas. That said he was going on a road trip to Texas with a friend that he met in rehab. So, yeah, and he didn't say whether it was a female friend, a male friend, or whatever. Usually, if you're going on a road trip to Texas, I feel like that's with a female friend. That's not usually with a male friend. Sometimes.

I don't know. If you've been married 23 years, maybe you just want a dude to go hang out. Yeah. Well, I mean, but if you're both, if you're like rehab buddies, you're not really going to get sloshed. Somebody's got to keep an eye on me and keep me from getting drunk. Maybe that's what it is. Who knows?

Anyway, the sister said that Howard texted, or that she texted Howard a few weeks later and asked how he was doing down in Texas and, you know, what's going on with you down there. And she said she got a text back saying, quote, man, it sure is hot down here. I'm sweating my balls off working on a painting job. So, you know, Howard seems like a regular kind of guy. He does. There you go. Sweating the balls off down here.

Jesus Christ, Texas is hot. I feel for you, Howard, because I don't want to paint in Texas either. That's rough. And to go from Ohio to Texas, that's certainly the phrase you're going to use. Yeah, sweating my balls off. Texas, too, isn't like... Like, Arizona's really hot, and you can say it's a dry heat. When it's 115, I don't care what the...

The moisture level is irrelevant at that point. It's completely irrelevant. Fire is also at that point. It's completely irrelevant. Fire is also not very humid. Your oven seems to be fairly dry. Yeah. Your turkey is certainly cooked. That's why you have to baste it because it's dry in there.

Right. Some more humidity and you wouldn't have to baste the turkey. But take a lighter and light it and put your hand over it. Dry heat. Yeah. Very dry. Fucking hurts. Hot as shit, though.

That's the problem texas is hot like you know 100 degrees and humid it's super humid it is wild hot down there it's they have remarkably hot the wildest weather in terms of crazy swing it's crazy no it's 110 and human ice storms it's an ice storm it'll be a tornado and a hurricane it's 110 and humid. You will have fucking ice storms. It's an ice storm. It'll be a tornado and a hurricane. It's so weird down there, man. Next to each other overnight. And I guess because it's such a big swath of land. It's expansive. It's got different things going on in different parts of it.

You've got different climates all the way around it. It's true, but it's, yeah, it's humid over, you know, hot and humid in the eastern part of it. In the western part of it, it's a lot drier. Yeah. And more of a desert as we drove through. Yeah. There's nothing there. You son of a bitch as we drove through. There's nothing there.

You son of a bitch. Rough. Awful. Rough stuff there. And you'll hear a lot about living in El Paso if you listen to the Patreon episode of Richard Ramirez's childhood. Tremendous. That's where he was.

So yeah, he's sweating his balls off working a painting job in Texas. So that seems okay. Didn't give a specific town that he went to? No, he just said Texas. And he was kind of vague with everybody and kind of telling everybody. He told some people that he was on a soul searching trip. He told others that he was like trying to clear his head. So clearly he's got stuff going on.

You know what I'm saying? You go that swing of a climate, though. You're not searching for your soul. You're willing to sell it for a glass of water. Or that's where you had an opportunity to go for a little while. He's not a rich guy or anything like that. It's not like he can go, I'm going to La Jolla for the week. If there's a chance I can go down here and get some work done, I'll do it.

I'm going to go to the Sands Rehab up in Malibu. I don't feel like he's got much of a choice. He'll go to a one- word rehab center like whispers. Whispers. Yeah. None of that shit. Some place that magically fixes your life. No.

He's going to Texas to do paint work, which is I don't know if that's the recommended medical rehab assignment, but whatever. That's how you're going to keep from drinking. I get that. It seems like at the end of that day, you would want to drink a lot. So hot. Till death by morning. Covered in paint.

All hot. No good. With a problem? Fuck. Yeah. You'd be with your rehab buddy. You'd give each other the eye and be like, we're getting shit-faced. I'm not wrong for wanting to be just fucking hammered right now, right?

We were painting all day hell no so they uh yeah he's down there and so we nobody everybody's kind of like what the hell's up with howard but howard's not the type of guy who kind of doesn't tell you everything he's doing he's not he can be kind of mysterious sometimes so they're like well that's kind of howard i guess that's what he's doing and they don't know if he's on a drinking binge or trying to dry out or what and he's 54 years old it's really none of their business so they're kind of like as long as he communicates and tries to stay in touch and they try to stay in touch with him what the hell are they supposed to do you know he's a grown man having problems in his life so uh one point laura lee calls marcia and tells her you know, that she's sorry that her brother left. I'm sorry about what happened with you and my brother.

Sorry he left. And, you know, just sorry for all the problems you guys are having. I hope you're doing OK. She's been her sister in law for 23 years. It's a normal thing to do. She said that Marsha told her that Howard, quote, blamed her for everything and had been drinking a lot. So I've been getting drunk and blaming her for things which is really

standard behavior for when you get really drunk. Sounds like an alcoholic. Yeah. I ran the car in the street because you don't stop nagging me. That's why. I didn't want it anymore. That's right. People rarely get drunk, you know.

Listen, man, I just want to tell you, it's all my fault. This whole thing, I didn't mean to do all this. It's one or the other. I just want you to know, I apologize. It's either that or the opposite. It's either it's all your fault or it's all my fault. It's never my fault never it's my fault it's always listen i've had enough to tell you what i think no sometimes people are like why did

i do it they drink to beat themselves up and they're like oh it's all my fault and you're like what are you talking about you didn't do anything wrong you know like what are you my grandmother man i could have saved her she. She lived, what are you talking about? I could have, if I went over there that day and I told her I loved her, she lived another while. At least another six weeks. I know it. It would have bought her some time.

She was a broken heart. That's what it was. She died of a broken heart. She died because she was 102. what the fuck are you talking about that's either one or the other either that or you did it all i failed english class because i didn't meet you yet what are you talking about hey the seventh grade but it's mostly it's mostly i've had enough to drink and now i'm gonna tell you what what you've done. No, I'm going to tell you why you've caused this. Right.

So, yeah. Tell you why you suck. Because, yeah, before you tell me why I do. Before you get a chance. So she said, yeah, drinking a lot, blaming her for everything and kind of not really, not really disappointed that he left. You know, need the break, need the maybe this is it type of thing. So Laura Lee says she doesn't receive any more texts from Howard after that. Disappointed that he left. You know, need the break. Need the maybe this is it type of thing.

So Laura Lee says she doesn't receive any more texts from Howard after that. No more texts back. No more nothing. He just stops communicating with her, which she finds very strange because they've they're in a lot of constant contact. But if he's off soul searching, sweating his balls off, sweating his balls off or on who knows by now could be on some kind of bender you know several states away what are you supposed to do so she did hear though from a friend that howard did make a facebook post saying that he was changing his phone number and would give it to everyone once he quote found himself okay so listen don't want to hear from anybody now but once i do y'all will know where to find me yeah so that's you know like people do that man i'm gonna find me and then

you will and then you can find me but i gotta know where i'm at before you do that's how it works he sends everyone a message at one point here um now in may 2017, rewind a little bit, his son Jonathan is getting married later on in the summer. Yeah. In August. So Jonathan said that, quote, we were talking about him coming to my wedding, and this was in May, and how excited he was to come and how proud of me he was. And he couldn't wait to come to my wedding and be proud. Proud dad of the groom here.

He said, and then middle of June, we get a message saying that he left my stepmom and went to Texas and never showed up for his wedding or anything. So he was pissed. He was like, what a fucking dick, basically. He knew I was getting married. We talked about it. Everything's great.

And then boom. He said he was proud. Yeah, now he's gone and probably shit-faced somewhere in Texas and now I don't have my dad at the wedding. Great. So yeah, on Facebook, he says he's changing the phone number. Like I said, he said that he, uh, you know, he just couldn't, couldn't find himself. It's a tough thing, man.

You can't find yourself ever have that. You just need to go to Texas. He posted also on his account on his Facebook account. He, um, said that he was going to Texas or he was in Texas for a, quote, soul searching mission. He's off on a mission here. And, yeah, he also said that, quote, I will reach out to people when I'm ready to. Please don't try to contact me. I need some time for myself. Oh, Howard. So that's it.

He said, I've changed my phone number and we'll give it out when i am ready hope everyone understands it but if not oh well so he's doing this sort of shit that's on you yeah if not well then i guess you didn't care about me enough to give me my space right so that's that uh marcia uh here um you know she's obviously nobody can tell whether she is like upset or she's just relieved or whatever like no she just kind of goes goes on with her life in august we'll talk about she gets another she gets a job yeah she's kind of like i don't know he's fucking doing his thing i'm gonna live my life here so um howard sends a text message to his employer also saying that he quit and requested that he could fill out his paperwork to cash out his pension. So he's like, I'm done.

Fuck you. I'm out. And this is 10 years he's been working there. You know, he he everyone lacks him real well, as we heard. Right. And then. Yeah. So he's.

And then there was another Facebook post that he posted, you know, to Marsha's profile saying that he missed her. Oh. So there was that. That's one of the last Facebook posts he makes from there. Then he's saying, I miss you, yeah, to her Facebook profile. So, yeah, he said that also Joshua, his one son, said he would receive text messages periodically. He said, quote, we would get messages from Marsha that he was OK and doing good in the hurricane because when the hurricane came through, then we got later one September

time frame saying that he's moving up north, but he'd be staying in Indiana. So from September, that's where they hear from. He'll be leaving Texas soon, but he'd be staying in Indiana. So from September, that's where they hear from. He'll be leaving Texas soon, but he's not going to be coming all the way to Ohio. He'll be in Indiana. But so he's still, I don't know, soul searching. He didn't find what he wanted in Texas in a paint bucket. So perhaps it washed away. Perhaps it washed away.

We'll head on up the Mississippi and see if we can find it there. Head on up the Mississippi and see if we can find it there. So he said Joshua said he got another message that came in saying his dad. His dad told him he got a new phone number and he would call him once he cleared his head. So this wasn't like a group one. This was specifically to Joshua. And Joshua said, quote, It seemed like he wanted to be on his own. Just didn't care.

And he said that he and his brothers were going through some of their own shit at the time because their mother just died. Not Marsha, their mother. Yeah, his first wife. His first wife. So, yeah, they said at that point they were way more worried about their mother dying than their father off on some soul-searching mission. It's like, whatever, fuck him. We have, this is important. She's actually dead, not just sad just sad and you know having to drink while painting in texas you know what i'm saying so uh he says quote during that time my mom just passed

we have different mothers i didn't have time to worry about my dad i guess you could say i had my mom's stuff to attend to as well that's the other thing too if he had to deal with legal things and all that funerals and all that sort of shit. She passed away in October after being diagnosed with stage four breast cancer. The mother. So, yeah, that's tough. He says that, yeah, he just he figured his dad was just doing his thing off somewhere and kind of forgot about it after his mom died in August. Marsha's just kind of moving on.

She gets a job. She works at a nursing home there and um you know just there you go she's getting a job um now uh october like we said jonathan the son him the first wife dies so uh he visits marcia to pick up uh a younger brother of his, the other Eubank, the one with the different mother. Yeah, there you go. They pick them up. He goes over to pick them up, and he said, quote, I seen his mom, Marsha.

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He does say, though, little did we know that my dad was 30 feet away from us. Yeah, let's find out how that happened exactly. Is he hiding in a closet? Does this average Howard pop out? Let's find out. Well, fools, i've been drinking in the closet drinking in the basement i set up a cv down there down there it's amazing it's so cool i got i put dvd player and all my old dvds are down there and i just play them. I watch them. I cut a hole in the heating vent and now there's heat in there.

I watched Caddyshack 17 times in the past four days. So, ha! I don't know, it was warm. It's so good. He uses a chainsaw to cut up the stairs. Do you see it? Fix the new post.

So what does he mean by that? Okay. Howard Jr. Yeah. Locks himself out of the house one afternoon. This is in December. Okay. We're talking about six months later after he's gone.

Howard Jr. Locks himself out of the house. He's like, fuck, it's him and his cousin come home to the house and he forgot his keys he's like you shit yeah so he finds an open window in a bedroom uh in a window that's not locked he goes around just looking for windows trying to get in the goddamn house when you forget your keys it's the most irritating thing in the world and you find all the different ways that somebody can break into your house and then you feel like a piece of shit you feel like a piece of shit for that but it's the worst because you

can just see inside of your house you're like there it is you can see the keys sitting right there's my stuff there they are there's my couch there's my wallet oh there's my fridge i'm pretty hungry all this shit's in there it's the worst so i hate that shit so he uh yeah he gets locked out he climbs through this window and this particular bedroom is a it's a bedroom that his mother normally keeps all closed up and shit so nobody goes in there it's like storage and shit so it's just it's just closed up so he's like all right that's the only window that he can get into so he gets into it and uh once he gets in there as he's going to leave the room to go unlock the door let his

cousin in he noticed there's a crate uh there's a big blanket yeah he goes and something's under there there's a crate because he can hear a lot of buzzing yeah and under this blanket is a crate that is swarming with flies oh my god and maggots oh no as well so he's and it stunk it's like it was like what the fuck is in? Somebody leave some camping gear. This is like an old hockey pads in here or something. Like, what the hell is this? You know?

So what could stink like this? So like, you know, put your fishing waders in there or something. I don't know what the hell they're doing. Oh, my God. So he drags this box outside into the yard. Nope. Takes it out of the room. Nope.

Because he didn't want want he got all the flies i'm gonna do mom a favor he doesn't want us to spread in the house he said he lives there so he drags it outside and he takes a picture of it and sends it to his mom sends it to marcia oh says mom what the what is this like i found this crate with like flies and shit there's shit all in it totally gross yeah you know what is this so you know he's sitting there sends that you know it sends and he's sitting there waiting for a text back but boom it comes back okay what is it she texted back quote i killed your dad oh my god right away i killed your dad yeah just to let you know yeah um i killed your dad that's your dad he was like um so he said what and she said quote it's part of your father's body.

Oh my God. The other parts are in the basement under two boxes and crates. Call the police and tell them I killed your dad and stored his body. Don't dig the crates out. Let the police do that. I killed him on June 13th. Holy shit. That's what she says.

She just sends him the whole thing. This is what happened. He's chopped up. Don't worry about it. Yeah. Very dismembered. Three separate crates. Let the cops do it. Yeah. Let them. We pay taxes. Damn it. You let them earn it. this is what happened he's chopped up don't worry about it yeah very dismembered three separate crates let the cops do it yeah let them we pay taxes damn it you let them earn it you don't need

to go down there this is zach that did it no this is this is uh howard jr found this thing and and this is found the body and she's just killed your father that's part of the body just the other parts are in the basement under it's almost like she had that like in the notes app yeah ready to go ready to cut and paste that shit copy and paste it into a text waiting for somebody to find it yeah clip there we go oh good i'm glad i had this done early i haven't found out um so howard is beside himself as you can imagine yeah um probably horrified horrified it's his father for fuck's sake i mean even if you're having problems with your dad if your dad's an alcoholic you don't want him to be chopped up in crates in your house by far i mean wow he did love his

father you know he was a not a terrible person that people didn't like like he was running around beating the shit out of his kids or something it wasn't him that so he is a bad criminal not great at all so he's and also for him he's the one who had to find that which has you know i mean no one wants that man i feel bad for howard that's not what you want to do no so he calls 9-1-1 what else you're gonna do even she said call 9-1-1 so he calls 9-1-1 he tells the dispatcher that um um hi yeah my mother killed my father yeah I found part of the body. She killed him on, let me check, June 13th.

Yeah. She said so. She literally says that. I heard the 911 call, and he said, quote, I just found out my mom killed my dad, and I found the pieces of his body in the house. And then they asked what the address was and a couple of questions, and he said, I found the crate. And she said, there's other parts in the basement. I have the text message she sent me. She said he did it.

She said she did it on June 13th. So this is, you know, six months later, which is absolutely fucking bonkers. The dispatcher says, quote, she texted you this. She what? Like, for real? Is she that terrible at killing people and hiding it that she texted you this? How'd you crack the case? What alluring thing did you do?

I said I found maggots. She a good cop, bad cop, or what'd you do? Why? She texted and told me. I said, what's this? She said, everything. Yeah. Oh, my God.

There's more down in the basement, actually. She said she did it on June 13th, and there's other parts in the basement. We climbed through the window of an upstairs room. He says, me and my cousin came home. We climbed through the window, and I found this crate under these blankets. Gross. And he explains it, and he goes, there's maggots everywhere. And the dispatcher's very, very calm.

Okay, address this, that, okay. She said that, all right. So he goes, she texted me the confession and he goes all right she texted you this all right great very good well rather than holy shit for real if i was even if i heard a bunch of shit every day if someone called in with that one i climbed through and my dad part of my dad's in this crate my mom said there's more in the basement and i would be like get the fuck out of here. For real?

How long does she care? Six months? We would have the most fun on 9-1-1. Yeah. Except if someone needed help. Right. How many episodes of this have we done? And every week I'm still shocked.

Shocked. It would be years of 9-1-1 before I'd have that. Oh, really? Really. Someone called you and go, oh my God. What is that bad? Am I going to die? 9-1-1. Oh, oh, really? Really. Someone calls you and goes, oh, my God. What, is that bad? Am I going to die? 911, shot the shit out of me.

That doesn't sound good yet. 911, let's fucking hear it. Let it fly. What's your grossness? 911, how gross is it? There you go. Depravity prime. What do you got?

Overnight delivery. Overnight depravity prime what do you got overnight delivery overnight depravity delivery to your house oh my god so the dispatcher next asks uh well where's pray tell where might your mom be now you know depravison You know, the prabhizan, the prabhizan prime. How can I help you? Where? Pray tell, where could your mother be now? I have a feeling when, you know, people get there, they're probably going to want to talk to her. I would assume they won't want to talk to you as much at that point. Probably be moving on to talking to your mom about, you know, the actual murder.

So or whatever. I mean, she's he's she just says i killed him she doesn't say i murdered him right maybe she accidentally ran him over with the car there were no there was no explanation of how that happened it's just where to find the uh the remnants of said event just this is what happened afterwards and then this and then i did that so uh she he said she's at work he said he couldn't remember the name of the nursing home where she worked. Yeah. So we hung up and figured it out, found something with it on there and called right back and said that she was employed at the Chapel Hill Retirement Community in Canal Fulton.

And everyone's in danger. And everyone's. Yeah. Watch out. So the sheriff gets there. so um the sheriff gets there sheriff steve barry gets there and uh he's on the way to there and gets a description of her and her car and all that and sees her car in the walmart parking lot on south arlington road yeah so she's she's she knows that her son yeah found a dead body right that she's admitted that's the husband she knows that she told him to call 9-1-1

and that he's definitely called 9-1-1 and told him that so she says i gotta make a walmart run that's an odd series of events perhaps she knows that jail is uncomfortable and needs to get those two towels two towels that they talk about all the time in the jail reviews for the patreon yeah absolutely shit i need to i'm gonna be in a holding cell for a while i'm gonna need to get comfortable this is rough i need to bring quarters for the phone so the sheriff walked up to her yeah found her waited for her she came out asked her if she was okay and uh she asked if her son was okay and he said the sheriff said quote it's been a hell of a day sure has you know should have seen the text i got officer oh boy it's wild you should see you know who's had a worse day my son

yeah uh she said quote it's been a hell of a six months i'm just glad it's over so she's the type that would fall asleep in the interrogation room she's exhausted from right she's happy it's over type of thing um she uh so she wasn't there like she was taken in. No, she didn't try to run away or, you know, tase the cop and run down the street. Right. Slapping cuffs away. You never know. We hear some crazy shit here.

So they lived. This is a real quiet neighborhood, like we said. And on Monday on this Monday afternoon, you could smell Howard Howard throughout the entire neighborhood. smell Howard Howard throughout the entire neighborhood the whole neighborhood really had a quite the scent to it as they took you know this this is this has been six months they opened them all up in the yard I'm sure to take a look at them and that's what you get so yeah this that bill channel neighbor said there was nothing to make him to make anyone think that something was wrong you would never ever figure anything like this would be going on around here so yeah they all say that sure you would right it happens everywhere

damn it that's why we do this show mr channel stop being so naive yeah if it didn't happen around here we wouldn't exist where the fuck would we be this is where it doesn't happen this is the crazy shit that happens in your neighborhood i mean maybe in cleveland right not around these parts maybe up there in cleveland or you know 15 minutes away in akron possibly but not here jesus so uh marsha's employer also the the nursing home who said she's so nice they said quote we were shocked and saddened to learn of the whole matter yeah i would say yeah uh fuck glad she didn't kill any patients i suppose but i mean if they were drunkards it's possible you never know so the in august the son had gotten married that jonathan's son had gotten married and um he said

that he had been so mad at his dad the past few months for not showing up at his wedding he's been pissed off he's got to feel so much guilt now yeah he said now he's feeling awful for fucking feeling bad for feeling angry he said the motherfucking that he's done for this guy think about the shit he's talked oh my god my yeah my dad didn't even show up for my goddamn wedding he probably like said something about it in the microphone mother fucked him for three months three months now he's like oh i'm such a dick oh shit boy i should sure wish i knew those facts oh i'm such an asshole my mom was there what a twat damn it so he says quote i don't know how you can just up and leave your kids lives and miss probably one of the most important days of my life we all thought it was odd and strange that

he would just stop and leave, but it never crossed our mind that she would actually murder him. They never even thought of it. Well, maybe he's dead. That never came up. Now, she'll go on to say that this whole thing was like she got mad at him and just did it because, you know, we'll get her story, but it wasn't like a premeditated thing from what she says.

But then they look at her Internet history. And like a lot of things now, homicide cases are a lot different now. Oh, boy, are they? If you were a homicide detective in the 70s and you watch the first 48 right now, you're just sitting back going, oh, of course you got a fucking videotape. Yeah. Oh, why don't you just check their phone record oh look good they were texting each other about the murder and you have it in front of you in black and white nice nice solve asshole you know what i mean like all of a sudden of a police work that ain't police work i had to beat someone with a phone book to

give me information you fucking idiot i had to check i had to check the consistency of dog shit. Yeah, that's what I said. With my hands. With my fingers. Run it through my fingers. They didn't make rubber gloves for us. You just go, well, let's check for video, Taylor. And you go to each business around wherever the person got shot and check for video. Let me see the ring doorbell. Did anyone post a Facebook Live of this while they were fucking dancing at a party next to the victim?

Let's find that out i just watched the episode two hours ago yeah in in hour 46 of the countdown yeah an hour and 45 minutes into this investigation they're watching a video oh there he is leaving clearly it's him just watching the murder but there's our suspect yeah this is way different from i wonder what happened right so now they do get an easy here. They find that her Facebook page didn't have any recent posts about her family or any things like that. Mainly showed updates with online games she was playing. She's the person who posts all the updates on Facebook of her game like anyone cares. I got three new sheep today.

Hey, look at you. on Facebook of her game like anyone cares. I got three new sheep today. Hey, look at you. The last post was made on June 10th, which is three days before the murder. Among the games she liked to play was Criminal Case, which I feel like is like a hunt a killer kind of a game. Yeah.

With a post she made about the game in the last December, a year earlier, saying, quote, new murder, can you catch the killer? So she's into like true the fucked up thing is she could have been like a listener to our show you know what i mean this is what it sounds like is like i feel like i'm like oh boy i hope she didn't you know oh she's gonna hate this but um she would love this show not this one not this she would love betty lou beats. Probably. Yeah. New murder. Can you catch the killer? So she's into like true crime and that sort of shit.

But she said that she didn't think that Howard was getting better with the drinking. In her mind, he was getting worse. And apparently the Internet searches about murder methods started in mid-May. She started trying to pick a method. Wow. She did. She did her research. This wasn't like a rageful thing.

She asked on the Internet whether arsenic, Benadryl or hydrochlorothiazide, which was a blood pressure medicine, could could kill him. Like which one of those would be better? What do you think? What do you think? Which is a better murder drug? She also asked whether being shot with particular type of guns could kill someone. I mean, most of them are pretty good for that. I think all of them.

Pretty much all of them are pretty good. I mean, they're depends on the spot. They're made pretty much to do that. Pretty much killing machines. That's like saying which spoon is best to eat cereal with. Well, probably most of them will do the trick. I mean, it's up to your preference, really. They sure weren't invented to build the railroad.

No. So I think you can probably just say any of them will work. That's what they do. And she also searched for where to buy nicotine poison. Oh. I don't know how the hell she was going to do that. Well, nicotine is a paralyzing agent. Yeah.

So I wonder if she was going to try to get a ton of it and maybe he was a smoker. And shocked the system. Most people wouldn't check for nicotine in a system. I don't know if that's in the normal test pattern if someone has an unexplained death. She said, quote, can a ball-peen hammer kill you

if it hits you in the temple? Well. She went everything from like, I can drug him, to what type of guns work. Maybe I'll just bash him with a ball-pe peen hammer she's running the fucking gamut here and what she wants is it to be fast and easy she well yeah she doesn't want to have to struggle with this drunk well that's the thing who the hell wants to yeah murder is usually not like how can i race she's not going

to pick like a piano wire and have to struggle with him probably that's fascinating though the dear google yeah dear google can a ball peen hammer kill you if it hits you in the temple She's not going to pick like a piano wire and have to struggle with him probably. It's fascinating though that dear Google. Yeah, dear Google, can a ball-peen hammer kill you if it hits you in the temple? She might as well have said, can I kill Howard with a ball-peen hammer in the temple, do you think? Do you think Howard will die from this? Yeah, Marcia, if you hit him a shitload of times in the temple, it's probably going to do it. If you hit him enough in the temple with most any object, he's probably going to kill him eventually, I would say. It'll work if you really want to put some oomph into it.

She also Googled how to kill someone quickly with chemicals. There you go. Which is very... Yahtzee. There you go. She wants it over fast. And this is a good one.

What kind of ether will knock someone out? She's even willing to chloroform. That's what I mean. Just for one smack to theoform that's what i mean just for one smack to the temple she's like oh that one movie i saw maybe if i put that like a rag in front of his face and he goes passes out to the floor then i can bash his temple in with a ball peen hammer she's seen who's harry crumb yeah that's way too many times so these are what the things she's been searching so her sudden you know i i've had enough uh i've suffered 23 years of abuse is what she says and then it's kind of like well you kind of researched how to murder him for a month so you could have maybe spent that month leaving

or packing something and now we're not going to say that's what you do when you're abused and you we get it we know the whole thing but certainly not easy you don't spend a month planning a murder you can't do that that's that's when you're that's when it's not this yeah it's not the same anymore you're leaving yeah that's for sure yeah it's different it's not the same we'll put it that way and also she had some resources also that's a lot of people don't have so that's the other thing too she has family she has sons she has a job yeah she's got things in her favor for that um like like we said i don't know psychologically or whatever there are a lot of those sexual abuse situations where she doesn't have a job and that's strategic yes he keeps her from working to keep her ass there

absolutely that's fucking horrifying that is horrifying um they also the uh summit county sheriff said quote we believe we have all the tools as well as the actual murder weapon yeah all the tools because she had to figure out a way to get him in pieces right that's not something she does on a daily basis she used his own tools uh probably yeah what does he have this asshole buying tools all this goddamn time. She is being held at the Summit County Jail on $1 million bond. And the prosecutors have provided the defense with 30 pieces of evidence, including interviews, DVDs of her interviews and all that. I said the medical report is expected also. And her lawyer said this will take some time to digest.

Imagine getting this dumped on your lap. Oh, my. Shit. Because she, in her initial arrangements, she said she does not have resources for an attorney. So they appoint her an attorney. And this Pierce guy comes in and he's like, I got a lot of reading to do. Is that maggots? Oh, boy.

Oh, shit. That's maggots. And there's another one? Why? With the same amount in it? Oh, it's in the basement, too. Oh, God. Jesus Christ.

So why? Why did she do this? That is burning. She claims that she killed him after suffering more than two decades of mental and physical abuse by a husband who got mean when he was drunk. That's what she claims. She tells detectives he was an abusive drunk and she only stayed with him because of the children she said that uh at one point uh because they said give us

examples of physical abuse and she said her husband banged her head on the floor when the youngest the howard that's 29 now was a baby and she said that uh or not that not that 29 now was a baby. And she said that, uh, or not the, not that 29, he was younger, but she said the abuse got worse through the years. And, when Howard hit her, she would hit him back. So she started saying they started just physically fighting after a while.

Uh, but like I said, nobody else that didn't happen around the kids. Yeah. Yeah. It didn't happen around the end. Who know? I mean,

they might've hid that from the kids. They might've not done that when the kids are entirely possible if the kids are groaning out of the house who knows they could be alone a lot they did say dad's an asshole they said oh he's definitely an asshole for sure yeah uh so when they asked her why she kept the remains uh the sheriff said quote i can't really go into that she explained uh to detectives her reasons, and that was the reason. She said that she killed him. She dismembered him. The medical examiner was in the process of positively identifying all the remains, making sure that was the only body there.

It was just all parts. Due to the composition and condition of the body, this process will take additional time, they said. And the sheriff said quote this was a very disturbing scene and they all did a fantastic job i believe it imagine having to come on to that scene and see that huh oh i don't want to open that crate i would throw up i would be not thrilled with that that sounds goddamn disgusting james there will be liquefied body in some of these oh yeah oh yeah. Oh, yeah. You could tilt it. Sludge will come out.

Yeah, that's six months is a long time. Oh, my. Long fucking time. And a lot of that was over summer months because this happened in June. So, I mean, it wasn't like he was kept in the cold basement in December all the time. This was different. This is storm season. Oh, man. Humid.

Yeah. So, the lawyer met with her but hasn't yet seen the evidence against her he says he says i'll just ask people to keep an open mind this looks bad right i get it yeah i understand that this does not look good it really doesn't uh he described her demeanor eubanks demeanor as stoic and uh he said this is a difficult situation for her and her family. Yeah, very much so. He also said if the allegations are true, something caused her to snap. He's going to find out what it is.

Damn it. He said that he'll be searching records for documented abuse between the husband and wife, though he said that Marsha may not have gone to the police. though he said that Marsha may not have gone to the police. He does say, though, that he's looking into a battered woman defense, saying that battered woman syndrome is an array of physical and psychological injuries exhibited by women that will have who have been beaten repeatedly or otherwise abused by their partners or spouses. And that's what he's going to run with is what he said. He said that he'll request an additional attorney be assigned to the case

because, you know, he needs one because this is a fucking aggravated murder case so he's like i'm gonna i need something it's a lot i need somebody to help me out with this shit anything you can imagine having to do that that's a lot more as aaron rogers i gotta hail mary oh my god need something here shit uh so howard's family laura lee said that uh you know they she talks to the paper to the newspaper and she said the family is pretty surprised by all of this and uh she's very upset that a lot of people when this case broke on social media were saying well why didn't his family look for him they don't care about him so she's very pissed off saying that how dare you accuse our family that's not fair that's not right she said what other family members said there that

they thought he was in texas trying to do his own thing and they were trying to respect him but they all tried to keep in touch with him and they all loved him and they were just saying he's a guy going through a hard time and let him do it because that's what he seems to be want to do these are also probably a lot of people who don't have alcoholics close near them yeah because it's easy to say that from the outside looking in when you got an alcoholic in your family and you want to do these these are also probably a lot of people who don't have alcoholics close near them yeah because it's easy to say that from the outside looking in when you got an alcoholic in your family and you want them better you're willing to just sidestep anything and just let them go and a lot of times if you press on them too hard then they run away and you never talk to them again or they get worse yeah or they get worse so it's hard there's a very fine line you

have to walk with that shit uh she said he was loved by his family. We didn't just abandon him. I thought it was strange that he took off like that. She said that her family members are pretty, you know, ripped up about the whole thing. And they don't understand. They didn't understand or she doesn't understand why Marcia didn't just tell her brother to move out and tell or tell him she wanted a divorce. She feels the worst for her nephew howard who found the remains she said i just can't imagine it's unfathomable it's awful

yeah i would say so um so uh we'll find out exactly what she did and how she did it in a second here howard jr says you don't think someone would just shoot your dad in the back of the head and dismember his body i mean i don't know what person would go straight to that that's the most true statement someone could have made in that i don't know who goes right from fucking a to z at that much that's really zero to 60 quickly really is wow i mean i don't know the person that would go straight to that that's a really great comment it's either i mean it's either that or she didn't do that. It's that you didn't see her getting beaten for so many years. That's possible.

And this isn't zero to 60. It may look like that to him or it fucking is. Yeah. Well, either way, shooting in the back of the head and dismembering is a step up. It's certainly a surprise. He was hitting me and I shot him and I called it's not he was hitting me and i shot him and i called 9-1-1 and said he was hitting me and i shot him or something like that this is this is pretty fucking premeditated here she's looking up what kind of ether can knock somebody

out all that kind of shit this is 29 years ago he hit me and i haven't let it go yeah yeah which and he walked by and smelled like booze and i shot him in the back of the head yeah this is tough it's a tough sell uh when you have all those internet searches it's a tough sell that's i mean no matter what happens where you go oh but there's this you go yeah but she was searching all this stuff that's really premeditated um she said that uh he said how do you cut up your own husband this is joshua the other son i mean think about that he says yeah no shit he's like i just got married how does that happen really somebody tell me in case i need to get out of this marriage um can somebody talk to my wife is that possible because i want to make sure that she doesn't understand it either

i don't want her to me to be like i mean think about that how's that possible and she's like i could see it you know what i'm saying like i don't know if that's what i want here i'm gonna have to talk to her i mean how do you shoot your husband right honey right she's just like they're like right i'd like a forceful i'd like you to back me up forcefully could you hold my hand while you say it and show that you care never jesus christ so yeah what are you gonna do he says with this whole thing we seriously thought that his wife finally broke up uh he and his wife finally broke up and he was trying to find himself in life they were like we genuinely thought that um when the family returned to

ohio later um they uh he had talked joshua had talked to her i talked to her, had talked to Marsha, and he says, quote, she didn't act funny. The house didn't smell weird. Nothing. So he was like, I was in the house. He said, quote, trust me, they fought a lot. It was almost daily. So he knew. He said, though, but he said, regardless, his father didn't deserve to be killed.

No. He said, we've all had problems, I guess you would say, but no matter what he did, he didn't deserve anything like this. Yeah. The prosecutor's office agrees, obviously, because it's kind of their job. One prosecutor said, this is a very difficult situation. My heart goes out to the family. However, Mrs. Eubank needs to be held accountable for her actions. She killed her husband, hid his body, and lied about it for six months.

If not for her son finding his father's body, body and lied about it for six months it's not if not for her son finding her his father's body what she did may still be secret today yeah what was the plan though i don't know this is the thing okay i get this and we'll tell him in a show go through exactly what she did right in a timeline here but what was the plan okay i dismembered him he's in cr crates. He's in the house. Then what? Eventually, it's just not going to turn to dust. It's not a mummy.

What did she think was going to happen to this? How is this eventually going to go away is my point. It's not a compact Presario that you download a shitload of LimeWire with, and you can just put it in a closet and be like, well, that doesn't work anymore. That's garbage. Yeah, I guess fuck that. You can't do that. No, I don't know what...

What were you thinking? She certainly didn't think somebody's going to lock themselves out of this house and stumble into the room that I don't let anybody use. She did it like a ripped pair of sneakers. Right. Like, well, I ripped those. You know what?

I'll keep them in case I paint. Right. That's what I'll do, but I'll put them in there and then I forget about them and they're never used again. That's how she treated him. Like a ripped pair of sneakers. Those sneakers, you can just go, oh yeah, I forgot about these and then throw them out.

What do you do with the three crates full of your husband? At that point, I just dismount everybody. If you're going to make them with this, okay. Planet like the Olympics. This is what I don't, yes. This is what I don't. Yes. This is what I don't understand. I get if it was a spur of the moment thing. That would be one thing where shit.

She didn't have a plan to dispose of the body because she didn't have a plan to kill the person in the first place. But when you research for a month, what kind of ether in a ball peen hammer in the right spot? How about how to dispose of human body? Where do they go back to the earth yeah where i know where babies come from where the corpses go you know what i'm saying i know half of this where's the other half of this shit because i'm confused it's not the linen closet correct yeah well this doesn't come up at all in her in any of her internet searches she doesn't decide at all i don't put it with the snow chains right in the fucking basement she as we'll find out she just put all of her

effort into how to actually make him die and then once he was dead she went oh fuck i didn't think i i didn't think i had this far i wonder if google has the answer to this yeah that's maybe she just assumed they didn't maybe or she's like oh that looks really bad yeah i get what i get what kind of ether can kill a person or shit but i mean if i say how do you dispose of a dead body i'll be on a list right i'm sure everybody searches uh can you kill or which ways are best but anybody that searches where does the dead body go those people are on a list they're probably someone's going to knock on their door they know their ip addresses definitely so june 9th is when she when she acquired a gun uh she killed him on the 13th she acquired a gun june 9th uh she said she bought the

22 caliber handgun online yeah all of this by the way is online purchases which is convenient don't get depravity prime we get it it's convenient but also leaves quite the trail of everything it comes off of your card is delivered directly to your house hawk a paper trail you i mean it's double way worse than a paper trail yeah you can't even say someone stole my card and bought it because it got delivered to your house and then your ring doorbell got a picture of you picking it up and bringing it inside so it's to your house and then your ring doorbell got a picture of you picking it up and bringing it inside so it's it's yours motherfucker you did it and then you're simply safe caught you loading the weapon yeah caught you loading it outside staring at it watching the sun glisten off the barrel they it's all there say a couple practice shots in your driveway pretending to be one of

the charlie's angels with the pose and doing the thing. We all saw it. It's embarrassing, yes, but we saw it. You said, are you talking to me into your ring doorbell? I saw you do it. What do you expect us to do but arrest you? Clearly. Holy shit. So she bought that on June 9th. She says to protect herself from Howard because he was drinking more and more.

That's what she told detectives. She said she hid it in the bedroom drawer and it was just there just in case it was good for her to feel secure that she could go in there and grab it. Five days later, she said she woke up at 445 a.m. Yeah. And which that sounds terrible, I must say. It's a bad time to wake up. To make coffee for her son and for Howard before they went to work.

So, yeah. She said her husband woke up at 5.45 a.m. and had some coffee and a cigarette. See nicotine poisoning? There you go. She's thinking, they'll never know because he smokes, so they won't check for nicotine. That's her thought. And that is oh so delicious.

Yeah, that's not bad coffee. A 5.45 coffee and cigarette. That's not bad coffee. That coffee and a cigarette. A 5.45 coffee and cigarette. That's a good one. That's a good one. So Marcia tells detectives that she and Howard started arguing and that she went into the bedroom, grabbed the gun, and waited. She said she planned to kill herself in front of him. That was the plan. Like, this is what you made me do oh type of thing which is

which is the worst punishment well which is it to me it's way crazier to do that yeah you know what i mean it's fucked it's it's way like yeah more like whoa yeah but make him live with watching me die yeah i understand it less than killing i get i get the urge to kill someone not that you through, but I get to go, man, life would be so much better if that person was fucking dead. I wish it would happen. And then you move on to, I want lunch now. And what do you do? You don't actually do it. That's the point.

Do a couple Hail Marys for a bus to hit him on the way out, but whatever. That's it. But you don't actually plan to do it yourself and start doing internet searches. But to say, I'm going to kill myself in front of him, that's what she claims. You know what she should be celebrating? How do you celebrate? She should be Googling. How do you celebrate somebody's untimely demise?

Yeah. In the event that that man dies, how should I really celebrate him going out? That's the thing. We can have a funeral, but afterwards, is it festive? Do I do a trip? Yeah. Do I buy a nice bikini do we play like earth wind and fire and like all what do we do like much better yeah this is a good one so she says that they started arguing she went into the room grabbed the gun planned to kill herself in front of him but she said he started calling her what she called

extremely offensive names yeah she's just he started calling her shit so she said instead of killing herself she decided to go into the office where harvard sat at his computer and shot him in the back of the head that's his plan that's her plan you know what never mind myself he called me a bitch i'm gonna shoot him instead so i mean whatever um he slumped over his computer and died is what she said he shot her and she shot him in the back of the fucking head with a 22 that'll happen that's yeah yeah bounces around in there that's how it goes not great she says quote i was tired of being belittled and yelled at and something in my head snapped i should have died that morning but he started yelling at me like he always did i couldn't take it anymore uh she told

prosecutors that she planned to turn herself in right then she's like i better turn myself in but then she panicked she said and instead just dragged his body into a closet that was her first course of action dragged the body into the closet left howard's body in the closet for eight days eight days just like well that's not an issue i guess i'll make dinner now like oh papa there's nothing in my closet nothing in my closet gonna do the dishes i'm gonna make a dinner eight dinners just how do you just ignore that well i guess there's nothing in my closet so i'll go to bed now i like everything you do you'd have to be like i mean oh my god i'm clear to go to the store

nothing's in my closet it's fine that's unbelievable eight fucking days uh but then once eight after eight days he's starting to get ripe yeah it's summertime it's eight days there's gonna be some things happening so he she said i should probably dismember him that's literally what she said to herself i should probably cut him in. That would be better for this. So she used an electric circular saw. Oh, my God. And a grinder. You know the grinders? Yeah, it's a little wheel.

A little hand wheel. Yeah, that you cut little metal pieces and shit off of. That throws shit everywhere. Everywhere. It throws sparks. Yes. You cut a nail before? Oh, yeah.

It's a fountain of fucking sparks. The rubber on my floor right here. I have these mats at the pen. Jess, you cut a nail before? Oh, yeah. Watch out. It's a fountain of fucking sparks. The rubber on my floor right here. I have these mats in the studio. You cut that with a grinder? Yeah, it was cut with a grinder. Josh did to cut the vent hole out and all that shit. And there was flaming balls of rubber flying everywhere. They were on fire from how fucking crazy this thing is.

Those things go so fast yeah and it's not even sharp you can touch the edge oh yeah it's not sharp it's the speed that it's going it's just the rpm it's wild 3000 rpms cutting into a body just flinging shit and an electric circular saw which also yeah it's got teeth but it still throws throws and uh and also two hand saws as well for things that were a little gross i mean that's she just got the grinder only goes fuck man a half inch deep that's a yeah that's so i mean maybe that was for bones probably when she couldn't get through a bone she'd probably oh gross i mean a circular saw would probably work for that right yeah depending on how deep it is that's true thigh bone is pretty

strong yeah i mean i don't know if you can cut that but a grinder i mean i've seen it take a piece of rebar and knock you know knock it right off like it's nothing wild it's pretty interesting she got the heavy duty tools out she got heavy duty tools out and then basically cut him up into a shitload of pieces as many as as she could. Oh, yeah. Indoors. This is all indoors. She divided them up. You know how she stored them?

No. When I said crate, that's what the son called it. Milk crates? You would think of like a wooden crate, like a shipping crate from like the 40s or something that would be taken off a pickup or a semi. With a lid on it. With a lid on it that you have to get a crowbar to pop off. No, no, no.

It's like the rubber made storage totes. What? Like I have. Like I use to move. The two clips on either end. The clips on the side or just the one sometimes that just pop down there. Sometimes they have little wheels on the bottom. Sometimes not.

Sometimes they have the little things on the top that fold into each other. Yeah, exactly. Some of those. That's what she used. Like what you would store crafting supplies in. You know what I'm saying? You know, storing things like a mother does. You know, like you'd store like school projects and yarn and shit in there.

No. Or you can store. The ones that you got an A on. Your husband's dismembered body. Either or. Shit. No worries. Wow. That is No worries. Wow.

That is something else, man. So three of those. She got everything that she did this with, you can buy at Walmart. Yeah. Or Amazon. Absolutely. Because that's what she was doing. Just ordering.

She ordered the gun online. Wait till you hear what she does in a second here. All right. So this is wild. Yeah. This is like she was at Walmart. Yeah. She just had those in the basement probably. here all right so she this is wild yeah this is like she was at walmart yeah had some all right

she just had those in the basement probably oh those things that the christmas decorations are right i'll dump out the lights and all the bulbs they're all burned out anyway fuck it they're all tangled i'm not gonna spend time with that so she put one in the bedroom the bedroom that she put it in was the one that he used as an office that she killed him in okay so that was the one that was an office and when he left she just started using in the storage that's how it worked and then she put the other two in the basement why she chose to put them in two separate spots i could not begin to tell you that's up to her why you would do that i would figure the more spots you put it in the more chances of someone finding it. That's the way I would look at it.

That's more places for people to stumble on. Mathematically, yeah. You go all in on one spot. You pick your best spot and go all in. You can't go, well, they're both good. I'll just divide them between the two. That's not the way you play. That's not the way you gamble.

It's just not the way you do things. You know what I'm saying? Perhaps, though, she put two in the basement because those two crates were full of something already in the basement yeah you know what i mean that's true somebody goes down there oh those are those two crates and just maybe one yeah maybe but i mean an extra crate who's gonna notice that yeah you know like i would she got a third one yeah who cares it's all basement storage i don't know what the hell sarah's got down there she could have bodies in our basement right now i don't know next to like the mixer i'm not sure what those boxes are

i really don't know so it's possible i'll have to ask her after this so um yeah she did that she uh wow she said the whole process of cutting him up took a whole day it was a real process she said the electric saw burnt out she burnt out a fucking circular saw trying to do this that's why she went to the grinder what if and the hand saws what if what if she doesn't know her way around a part yeah and and the battery just died that's possible it was plugged in oh it's electric oh man it's not a battery opera it's a fucking electric circular saw she burned out and she burned the motor out of it so yeah she was trying to go through probably that's why she got the grinder that she got the grinder doesn't go deep enough yeah she had the hand saws so yeah oh my

hand saw through the through the decomposing flesh and then you angle grinder through a fucking and as she's cutting them up she's calling them a cheap bastard for getting the cheap part or the son of a bitch with the cheap blade. She said she threw that one away, the circular saw, because it's useless now. She put the other tools back in the garage like nothing happened, because why not? So mid-June, June 18th to be exact, this is five days after the murder, she goes on Amazon and buys lye on Amazon, which is used to decompose. It can be used to digest tissues of animal or human remains.

Yeah, that's what mobsters pour on top of people before they throw some fucking dirt on them. That's, you know, Joe Pesci on them. Any fucking lye, that's what we're talking about. So you make them disappear. Yeah, so that's what she did. And that same day that she ordered this on amazon why would again i'm just she's just very confident i'll put the body parts in both places no one will find it and then i'll just order the shit on amazon i mean they don't keep records right i'm gonna go into the murder aisle of amazon you know yeah they don't keep any records there sure it's fine and that day she also showed an attempt to quote cash in on her husband's 401k

retirement account at that point she was trying to already yeah she was already trying to do that she was trying she told the boss that she quit that he quit and she was trying to make active motions toward getting the money for herself um She also told detectives that she poured bleach in and around the tote to try to disguise the smell around the thing. She was like, I just poured bleach all over it. I figured that would help. Now it smells like bleach and murder. Yeah.

Bleachy murder. That's great. That's what you want. Bleach and burnt up saw blade rotor. What smells worse, bleach or dead body or dead but yeah and then which one covers the other i bet the saw burning out probably covered a lot of it because a motor burning out like that with like plastic burning that'll really cover some shit i bet at least for a day yeah burning wires will cover all that shit up wow that's that's fucking crazy now howard uh the junior he told detectives that he asked his

mom about the chemical smell she said what does it smell like that in there he said she told him she had to clean the office after wow this is a ballsy thing to say after quote his father threw chemicals at her what threw chemicals at her which is the i've never heard of that how many small 223 have we ever had anything where someone throws chemicals at someone else not as a prelude to murder that's a new one not a thing so uh just cleaning up the office your dad threw chemicals at me you know how he is with the chemicals throws bottles of 409 and shit at me when i'm not looking trying to cover up the smell with bleach bleach now it just smells like somebody came all over a corpse and yeah perfect now it smells like corpse jizz great thanks

decomposed corpse jizz sounds like a mummy just jizzed all over the place perfect appreciate it so uh the son joshua said what he doesn't understand is he still doesn't understand what why this happened he says quote i guess what her motive is or was at it but he can't figure it out uh jonathan said quote you know he doesn't understand that he would she would murder him they're all just like dumbfounded by the whole thing it just didn't seem like it it wasn't it was volatile but it wasn't that volatile it was like yeah they fought and argued and shit but it wasn't like oh this is dangerous so a psychologist examines marcia after her arrest and uh the psychologist finds that she is in an abusive dysfunctional relationship uh that's what her psychologist says now the records

show that she has never called the police or sought medical help of any kind at all and um everybody like we're talking people that she talked to friends of hers family members everybody said the couple had a volatile relationship but nobody ever ever saw any signs of or heard one word of physical abuse in the relationship just that they used to yell at each other all the time stunning which is you know that's um you can't kill someone because you get in arguments with them all the time you know what i mean that you're not fearing for your life over an argument and people can say oh if you had a i get it but that's this is the real world in the real world unless someone's

trying to hurt you or you honestly believe they're gonna hurt you you're not allowed to kill them it's it's you're asking to be put in prison for that if you do if you genuinely thought it i mean it's i guess it's better to be in prison than dead but it's a good point i don't know man that's a tough one to to digest if there's no proof at all that there was any kind of anything and in a court of law that's a hard ask for a jury to just believe me with no proof right that's a hard thing to do it really is just no proof believe me it's not like it he she said it happened one time she's talking 23 years of this there would be systematic somebody would have heard something about it you know and even people that she knew didn't say like oh he said that or she told me

that he was always verbally abusing her she just said we were yelling at each other i'm mad at him because he did this and she's mad at him it seems like normal shit you know he's he drinks too much she doesn't like it right that's a fucking people argue about that kind of shit so uh her initial court appearance grew a lot of interest from the local media, as you might imagine here in this area. This doesn't happen often. Woman's husband found in three fucking Rubbermaid containers in the house. Separate areas of the house. Yeah, it's a big deal.

Four television stations were there. The whole deal. She said she didn't have the money. She said she had to quit her job, you know, after getting arrested and all. Right. And her attorney was there with her uh another woman who's a person who's an employee from the pre-trial risk assessment was going to have to meet with her and make a recommendation on her bond based on whether she poses a flight risk or a risk to the community

i don't think she poses any she's not going to hurt anybody else um she might take off i don't know her personality like that but that that's not i don't see her poses any, she's not going to hurt anybody else. She might take off. I don't know her personality like that. That's not, I don't see her being like, well, now I got the taste for blood. Now there's blood lust. Yeah. Now it's in my mouth. I can't help it. And that's for a lot of people.

If somebody robbed a convenience store and shot the clerk five times, this is the third time they've done that, then you'd say, oh, they're a danger to if you let them out they could do this again but anybody who like kills their spouse after 20 years i'm talking either gender they're probably only just going to kill that person very focused rage very focused on it's a specific thing although uh the dc sniper that was what he was planning to do yes that was wild who fucking knows that was what he went to kill all these people to cover up uh the murder of his wife eventually we're gonna have to do a bonus episode about that whole because with the vice documentary coming out on it there's a lot of new oh there's a lot of new details really yeah they were in a sexual relationship the dad

and the son it's not he's not his I mean. He's his guardian. Holy shit. Yeah. Stop it. Oh, yeah. No. They would have like celebratory. Whoa. Yeah.

They were in like a. Whoa. He was abusing this 17-year-old. Never mind they're in a relationship. He groomed him. He was abusing a child from another country that had come here. Yeah. Holy shit.

Yeah. He was from Jamaica, I think, the kid. That is stunning. It's pretty fucking stunning. and this is the kid telling all about it now so yeah because the guy's dead yeah that's i mean he's put him to death he's actually talking about it and saying all the shit that happened all the shit they did to start with and it's like whoa is it how much is there any incentive to lie about that i don't know i have no idea i don't know his legal situation i haven't looked it over i don't know if he's i can't wait to i can't wait to hear this but i want to know the whole thing so we'll get into that shit now they also said that marcia may face

additional charges i don't know why that just sounds funny marcia may face additional charges it doesn't sound right does it jan does backflips cindy may be facing additional charges for her brutal murder of jan marcia put her up to it. She'll be charged also with second degree murder. So he said she's going to undergo another mental health evaluation. They're going to face additional charges as well. He said that his office has no prior record. This is the prosecutor.

His office has no prior record of domestic dispute calls or anything involving this couple of any kind. She said she wanted to plead guilty right away. Really? She did like a night stalker, like, I just want to get this shit over with. And her lawyer said, chill out. Calm down. Calm down. Let's get a deal first.

Let's find out something. This is Pierce, who represented her with attorney Andrea Whitaker as well. He said he first wanted to have her evaluated by a psychologist. And he said it was unusual for someone with no criminal record or history of alcohol or drug abuse to suddenly commit a crime like this. Well, not really. As we know from this show. Yes, it would be weird for her to kill somebody else. But it happens all the time.

People kill their spouse that's the only crime they've ever committed in their fucking life is murder because they would have for whatever reason nothing got them to that point like a spouse so that's way different than that you can't say that it's fascinating that marriage still exists when that's such a fact it's it is that people take the chance yeah they are gonna kill me never mind i might lose things or i might not have uh it might you know be a miserable for 10 years 20 years they could murder me they have full access to me in my sleep spouses have facilitated more murder than uh not spouses oh god i'm sure of it if someone gets murdered yeah and it's in any way except like a you know street robbery or something

they go well are they married for the first thing? Are they in a relationship? What relationship is this? Talking to them first. Let's find out what the fuck's going on there because- Spouses and significant others, that's your go-to. That's block one of the building block of the whole deal. And a lot of times, we don't get to block two. No, we don't.

Jesus Christ. Psychologist James Eisenberg also said that he found that marcia was also in an emotionally abusive relationship and was afraid of her husband he did say that she was him she was embarrassed and humiliated and had low self-esteem well yeah she had a dumb murder plan so at that point i'd be embarrassed and humiliated too you thought you were going to get away with that yes i thought no one would find body parts of my own home yes i i'm a fucking idiot well you did you should so how humiliated are you you should be embarrassed at your lack of planning at that point he also said she suffered from anxiety and depression well yeah she's in jail now and never has been

before so that'll give you both anxiety and depression sure anytime uh he also her lawyer says that that marcia didn't leave leave Howard because she lacked the financial means to support herself. Okay, that's fair. He said that she snapped and killed Howard, then was too afraid to call the police and wasn't sure what to do. Like I said, in that month of planning, she should have planned that part. Absolutely.

Maybe she should have taken an extra month. Yeah. Do it around the 4th of July. It's festive. It'll be helpful. All that fireworks will cover up the gunfire. You know what I mean? Yeah.

It's like back in the day, they'd shoot people under the train tracks while the train went over. It covers up the noise. Yeah. During a thunderstorm, some shit like- Wait for the lightning crack. Wait for the lightning. Pow.

Come on, man. This is fucking crazy. Her lawyer said, quote, she wanted to buy herself time to come up with a plan. Didn't do a very good job of that. They also explored the potential defense of battered woman syndrome even into the trial. But neither Marcia nor her family wanted a trial. She didn't want a trial. She didn't want to do all this shit.

No, she didn't want to bring her son up to have to say a talk about finding her and then pointing to his mom. And that's that's kind of that's a lot. And what in the crate howard yeah i don't want to say that's embarrassing if you're going to do that they also were particularly concerned like i said about howard having to testify they were concerned for his mental well-being he already found his dad the defense attorneys say these internet searches they actually help us yeah they said they reflect marcia eubanks fantasies of how to escape years of abuse oh okay it's a long stretch you can also say that that's still reflects a month of planning to murder someone after years of wanting to murder someone you could say it's hard to prove that that's why you look that up is what i'm getting at maybe it's true but it's hard to prove that

prosecutors say she was just trying to find a best way to kill it took her a month to figure it out finally she said all right a gun's pretty efficient i mean you know her attorney said quote i think it's a case that is a tragedy for everyone her life was ruined a life was taken her sons no longer have parents it's just a sad situation yeah that i can't argue with it just a sad situation. It's true. Yeah, that I can't argue with. It is a sad situation. It's a sad sack of shit situation that's happened here. Right.

December 2018, finally, she says no more plea deal is here. She makes a plea deal. She pleads guilty to a special felony of murder with a firearm specification, a third-degree felony of tampering with evidence, and a fifth-degree felony of abuse with a firearm specification okay um a third degree felony of tampering with evidence and a fifth degree felony of abuse of a corpse that is that's the most um that's the most like soft way of saying woman it's the most euphemistic way of saying you chop someone up into 50 pieces abuse of a corpse it sounds like you smacked him around a little bit what do you think of that pal yeah you Yeah, you like that? You fucking asshole, take that.

Stared in dead eyes and called it a pussy. Yeah, this is, you chopped a person up here. So, like we said, she pleads guilty to all of this. In exchange for this, there's a give here, prosecutors with the support of Howard

Eubanks' family the police uh dropped the more serious charge of aggravated murder that was filed against her that was the serious one that could put her life without parole and so um yeah they all said fine it's fine if she gets out when she's 75 we don't fucking care basically they don't think she's a danger to the world they just are mad that she they you know she killed their dad which is fair yeah you can't brother and everything else prosecutors here asked the judge to impose a life sentence with parole eligibility after 22 years um yeah he says based on the vicious manner in which marcia eubank murdered howard eubank the horrific steps she took after the murder the deceitful action she took after the crime to conceal her actions and the great pain that she caused all the family.

That's all fair. That's the other thing, too, that sending texts and Facebook posts and all that to the family to keep them going. That's that's a special. That's some. Yeah, that's some creepy depraved shit right there. You know what I mean? Like, that's I don't know if I could do.

I couldn't lie right to somebody's face going, no you're your brother's fine pretending to be him and keeping the charade going that's we've seen people do that before we're always like yikes that's a really scary that's scary mental place to be right there right so uh the defense attorney asked for the lightest possible sentence which is a sentence of life with parole possibility after 18 years. So that's what they say. So they're sticking over four years. Yeah, that's that's all. There's only a four year difference.

Difference in agreement here. Yeah, it's not much. Marsha makes a statement here. She apologizing to her family. She said, I'd like to say I'd like to say that I'm truly remorseful. I truly don't know. I truly know what I did wrong. Now know. I truly know what I did wrong. Now, I don't know what I did wrong.

She also reached out to the Howard's family members and said, what people don't know was the physical, mental and emotional abuse that I dealt with for 24 years is what she wrote her son in a letter from jail. That doesn't change the fact that I love your father and he loved you boys. Howie, I want to tell you that I did wrong. I wrong i mean grossly wrong i want to ask you to forgive me um so that all happens the judge here uh let's see what he says about the whole thing he says you ma'am may fuck off life in prison with the possibility of parole after 20 years. Split the difference. It's 18 years for the murder charge and then two more for the other charges. So it's 20 years. So he split

the difference between them, basically. The prosecutor said the family was thankful that Marsha chose to accept responsibility for what she did and spared them the trauma of a trial. When they asked Joshua if he will forgive her he responded quote forgiveness is for god and walked away oh not me man it's not my ass forgiveness is for god i fucking get even

and he walked away i take the doors off my jeep and ride over there and get fucking even with these people i ain't bullshitting which that's whole that's great that's a great line she chopped up my dad that's a great line yeah that's like the end of an action movie where like think about that like somebody that they used to know like killed their family and all this but it's like his brother killed his and everything is at the end and at the end there's like smoldering shit he's got like you know marks on his face and blood coming down his forehead and they're like in a ripped uh flannel yeah and he they're like he's like listen man i just was trying to do the best for everybody do you can you ever forgive me and he goes forgiveness is for god and he shoots him in

the forehead and then he walks away and credits roll up as more shit explodes. That's what I see here. Bruce Willis screaming, I got a bad fucking headache. A bad fucking headache. So Joshua Eubank is a fucking action star now with that goddamn forgiveness is for God line. That's hot shit, dude. That's great. When you think about how many people get a chance to talk to the media about something like that,

he had something cool locked and loaded that he just like, he didn't know what they were going him and he's just like forgiveness is for god and he walked away amazing i think he had that line locked and loaded no matter what the question was maybe what are you gonna do now forgiveness is for god they just happen to it's the tagline it's the tagline of his movie. They just happen to tee it up with, do you forgive her? Joshua the Killing. Joshua is a killing machine. Forgiveness is for God. Coming May 17th. I could just see this right now.

In a town where forgiveness is for God. Forgiveness is for God. Joshua Eubank. Howard Eubank. In Forgiveness is for God. Ah! Come on, help me, help me! People.

I'm going to say it again. Forgiveness is for God. Forgiveness is for God. So if for some reason you would like to write to Marsha Eubanks, they have her. Eubank. Her Eubank. A singular. Not a plural. On the address. A singular. Not a plural.

On the address, they have it as a plural. Really? That is not how you spell it, but the prison apparently has it written like that. They have pluralized her. That's why I read it off of here

and then I said, it's not Eubanks prison. Her address is Marsha Eubank, but Eubanks. Put it in parentheses. We'll see. Maybe the S is the only way she gets mail. Maybe. Put it in parentheses,'ll say maybe the s is the only way she gets

mail maybe that's i mean put it in parentheses the s maybe question mark i don't know uh number sign hashtag whatever the fuck w uh w one zero two nine four nine and then next line is LPSJ. I assume that's the prison. 904 space F as in Frank, M as in Mary, 686, Dayton, Texas, 77535. They sent her ass to Texas. I don't know why she's in Texas. I have no fucking earthly idea why she's in Texas. I wonder if she had problems up there in Ohio. We've had this before where prisoners are doing time in another state and had nothing to do with whatever. I don't know if there was some sort of transfer.

I don't know if maybe COVID made transfers of prisoners. I have no clue because that's her current address. Is there a prison draft? I mean, maybe there's a prison draft. In the 2021 prison draft, Dayton, Texas, jail drafts Miss Marcia Eubank. She might be like the best field hockey player there, and they're getting teams together. It's like an AAU prison squad here. I'm not sure.

I don't know if it's true or not. She's in prison, and that's one of those where it's all, what do you believe? I mean, if you believe that he was abusing her for 25 years and all this sort of thing, well, then this whole thing makes sense. If you think they argued for a while and you know they fought like adults and there wasn't really any abuse and this was just easier than divorcing him and having to split up all their shit and go live in a one-bedroom apartment we always say when that's the other side we're like fuck you so then it's a fuck you you can't

you know you can't kill people because it's easier yeah that's just not allowed i'm gonna tell you what james with the with this pic the texas prisons they're getting themselves a hell of a prisoner You can't kill people because it's easier. That's just not allowed. I'm going to tell you what, James. With this pick, the Texas prisons, they're getting themselves a hell of a prisoner. She eats light. She comes with her own books. She's a good prisoner. She minds her P's and Q's. They picked a hell of a person here today. Well, what I like about her is in case something breaks, she knows how to run power tools.

See, that's the important thing. You can get her in there and get her right on the maintenance team she's good with an angle grinder and that is going to come in handy i really believe that i like this pick a lot she's a versatile she's versatile see that's what it is and when she gets old she knows how to take care of herself also so you know what i'm saying this is the the thing. The prison draft trading system. They traded her for a number three pick, and she ended up in Texas. That's how it worked. It's weird that it's Dayton, Texas, because Dayton is a lot.

Yeah, it's very strange. 77375. Is that? Or 77535. That's Texas? Yeah, that's their zip code. Okay, there you go. Sure on the clock. That's the one.

So anyway, that's the story. Wow. That's a crazy story man i'm really happy uh that she got what she deserved but i feel terrible really for josh because he's still i guarantee you he still is upset that he motherfucked his dad yeah oh he's gotta be or jonathan was the one who got married yeah he's gotta be like there's john josh all boys john. Does John Josh, all boys? John Josh, Zach, Howard? All of them. All boys, man.

Wow. So yeah, he's got to feel, he had to feel terrible when he found out. He was on one hand terrible, but on the other hand, like my dad didn't skip my wedding. You know what I mean? He wanted to be there. He wanted, oh man, he would have been there. Then you start picturing, ah, he would have got me the best gift. Then it's even.

We would have got drunk as shit together. You can romanticize it at that point, but I would suck otherwise. Horrible. And still Howard, I hope Howard has recovered. Cause I mean, this only happened three years ago. Three years ago. So I,

you know, I hope everybody is doing well and, um, I hope everybody's, you know, trying to Howard, man, I hope you fuck.

The only difference between Howard today and then is a mask. That's it. Yeah. That's what I mean. And hopefully some therapy because I don't know how you wouldn't need it after that that's that's a lot going on so namesake and you found them yeah that's coventry township ohio and ohio never lets us down for depravity they fucking never do let's state even the early had an early one from ohio that was like that too were like a brother and sister killed somebody and they had them stored

in a boil drum remember that yeah in the garage they had no idea how to get rid of it yeah they're just burning them and then filled them with concrete and they're like well that's too heavy now that's where that stays they're like oh because that'll make it sink if you fill it with concrete and then they're like oh shit it weighs 1400 pounds now fuck now what do we do that was an early one so people in ohio 80 pound bags of concrete get lighter as you put water on the water and it lightens it up you know what i mean they put seltzer in it so it'd be nice and light the bubbles get fluffy put some perrier in it it gets fluffy you know what i mean like a tempura like a tempura batter that's how that works get the sparkling boss oh you know yeah they get the peri-egg put some lime

in it sure it's light like that oh my god and the funny thing is in the beginning of this show you said people in ohio just kill people and storm places you think they got out and that's what everybody said that because it's true yeah they thought he got out i said funny you should say that because it's the same thing that happened in that super early episode it's fucking hilarious so next couple weeks coming up like i said we have um a crazy fucking lunatic of a guy and then also a serial killer terrific so i mean we have some i mean not terrific wild yeah not terrific but some wild shit going on and uh yeah you should definitely check all that out. You should also give us five stars on Apple Podcasts.

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