Small Town Murder - #224 - The Devil Come To Earth - Apache Junction, Arizona

Episode Date: May 20, 2021

This week, in Apache Junction, Arizona, a battered, and barefoot young woman wanders out of some rugged desert terrain with a story of nearly unmatched brutality, and as harrowing a previous two days as any human has ever endured. Her story leads investigators to a person who may be one of the worst people the world has ever produced. A prolific criminal, with a violent past, and present. Once the case is solved, things get even more crazy, as this criminal finds an equally disturbed kindred spirit on death row! Along the way, we find out that some places are just not meant to exist, that you can tell certain books by their covers, and that just when you think some people can't get any worse, they definitely do! Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman New episodes every Thursday! Donate at: patreon.com/crimeinsports or go to paypal.com & use our email: [e-mail] Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder & Crime In Sports! Follow us on... twitter.com/@murdersmall facebook.com/smalltownpod instagram.com/smalltownmurder Also, check out James & Jimmie's other show, Crime In Sports! On iTunes, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts# See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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We wish they weren't. That's the thing. We wish the show didn't exist, but it does because crazy stuff happens. And the thing is, the craziest thing in the world is the idea of I'm going to kill this person and try to get away with it. That's a crazy idea. So, I mean, that's where the comedy comes from. We're not talking about, oh, then he chopped her head off.

Ha, hilarious. That's not funny, obviously. No. We go out of our way, as a matter of fact, to not make fun of the victims or the victims' families. Why? Because we're assholes. Yeah. But we're not scumbags.

That's how that works. See? So if you like that, if that sounds good and fine to you and you're on board, we're going to have a great time. If you think that true crime and comedy should never, ever, ever go together, I don't know if you like the show or not but give it a shot anyway i don't want to hear any complaining afterwards let's just put it that way for everyone who's left i think it's time to sit back jimmy and shout shut up give me murder all right let's do this i love it we made that one very theatrical i liked it that was a good one sometimes it's aggressive this time it was very murder let's do it let's go on a trip jimmy james boy would i ever

love it uh unfortunately not too far from where we sit at our at this very moment um we just like a 40 minute drive basically is where we're gonna to go. Yeah, right down the street. 45 minutes going from a bad place to a worse place, basically. We're going to Apache Junction, Arizona. Yuck. Which the murder actually takes place kind of in the desert away from Apache Junction, not in Apache Junction proper, but it's the closest populated place, so we're going to do it. And it's the most fun place in Arizona to make fun of.

It is literally. Like, any time you open open for a comic and every comic has that question they all say it where's that shitty area town every headliner has some like joke that they put to every local area of then then i'm in this place this terrible city they ask always ask the opener what's the terrible what's the awful city everyone makes fun of here and the comics trip over each other to say apache junction there's never a sec i've never heard another thing said but apache junction so it is the worst it's south central arizona it's a southern suburb of phoenix sort of i guess it's about barely barely it's only that because mace has expanded so far if mace didn't expand so far apache junction still its own shit.

It used to be kind of out in the desert by itself, which is good for everybody. Except the lunatics. Right? It's about 40 minutes to downtown Phoenix. I mean, that's far. I mean, Jesus. It's six and a half hours over to Albuquerque, about three and a half hours to our last Arizona episode, which was Golden Valley, Arizona, episode 197, which was just in November of 2020, only about six months ago.

People say you do a lot of Arizona episodes. Yeah, we like to make fun of it. And we have some insight on it because we're there. It's in Maricopa County, a little bit of Pinal County as well. Is that right? Yeah. It stretches up there. The bottom side of it there, I guess, or whatever.

It's about 30. It's a 480 area code, if you see that. It's either Scottsdale or Apache Junction, and they're both very different. Very, very different. That is hilarious. They lumped that shit in with them. Yeah. It's 35 damned square miles of dusty, dirty, dirty, dustiness of nothingness. It's what it is.

Motto here. They actually have a motto. I didn't even know they had one. Do they really? Lived there for 20-something years. Didn't know they had a motto. Quote, come for the trash. Stay if you are trash. Good for them. That's nice. Come for the smell. Stick around if it's familiar.

That's right. Stick around if it doesn't make you gag too much. You know what it smells like? Like the dumpster behind a Chinese food restaurant. If that doesn't bother you, high noon. What a fascinating place this place is, for real, though. It is. It used to be Youngberg, actually, which is still there, but it's not really a town anymore. It's a ghost town.

actually which is still there but it's not really a town anymore it's a ghost town so yeah if you look like kind of up the salt river there toward apache or lake apache there's youngberg is there it's by on the way to tortilla flat over in that direction so that's a mining camp up there pretty much that's what it used to be um the reason people are here is because of gold uh gold first came around in 1864 that's when's when they were talked about at first. But 1870... How much, James? How much did they possibly mine out of that shithole? Well, it didn't happen until actually a lot.

We'll talk about it quite a bit, but very quickly. Like a lot of these boom towns, it was one of these things where there's gold, and then in three years, you've mined it all out, and that's the end of the town. So that's kind of what happened here. No samples were produced until 1879 when two mexican prospectors were here and they found some gold and then they were attacked by the local apaches and one of the prospectors survived and came back to phoenix and said that there was they found gold out, and that's why they were attacked. And the attack kind of – that attack is the source of the legendary Peralta massacre,

which I guess didn't happen. I'm not sure. Yeah, I don't know. There was a couple of brothers. The first elementary school I went to was called Peralta. I didn't know that it was about a massacre. Yeah, a couple of brothers named peralta okay who were hanging out where they didn't belong honestly yeah so um prospectors worked some small gold mines here

in the 1880s all around goldfield wash there was one called the lucky boy claim which is a good name for a gold claim that delivers gold i guess that was staked in 1881 and a couple others uh a big deposit of gold ore was discovered at the black queen claim in 1892 but 1893 was the biggest claim they found mammoth mine was discovered after a sudden downpour and a flash flood and so they found there was gold under the they took this topsoil off and they found gold. And it produced more than three million dollars worth of gold bullion equal to about twelve thousand pounds of gold bullion. They pulled out of it today. That's way more money. Oh, that's way.

Yeah, that's I mean, that's what it was worth then, which that's like a billion dollars now. Yeah. So that the the Superstition Mountains are are on the one side of it, which is the home of the lost Dutchman's gold mine as well. People have heard of that. And they've been hunting it forever, and they'll never find it because it fucking doesn't exist. There you go. That's why it's lost. That's why it's goddamn lost.

But people go out in the desert and die every year looking for it. Hey, let's wait till it's 116 and then go out there with one bottle of Dasani and see if we can find this gold. For four of us. For four of us, and we'll just see. No, we'll put shorts on. I got sunscreen. Don't worry about it.

We're on vacation from Wisconsin. This seems like a good idea. We'll put shorts on. You know what I mean? We're going to do all the dangerous shit. Yeah, just everything. It seems fun, right? You know what?

We'll go after dark, maybe, so then it won't be as dangerous and we'll be eaten by animals and stuff. We'll go after dark when we can hide from the sun but not hide from everything fucking else that comes out after dark. Everything that's poisonous and wanting to murder you that pops out of the ground after dark. So, Goldfield Ghost Town town which is a tourist location it's you know like a many other go like a gold boom town ghost town type of deal that's on the in the superstition mountains as well um there's a there's also apache land which was uh they i guess they made old like um it was kind of like old tucson they made old western movies there kind of like old Tucson. They made old Western movies there. And they had a huge fire there, obviously, because everything in Arizona burns.

That's how that works. And yeah, 1893. Basically, Goldfield was a mining town established in 1893. And then after that, all the gold was dried up pretty quickly. And then it was a very fast town. It came and went in like five years. So we're going to stick heavy on the reviews of this town and kind of skim past the numbers and shit like that, kind of. Just stick to the funny stuff, and then we got to get into the murder because it is a thick murder, and it's a wild one.

So we can't spend too much town time. murder and it's a wild one so we can't spend too much town time so reviews reviews of this town a rare five-star review of this town which who the fuck have you do that okay you've lived in arizona how long jimmy uh 20 jesus 35 years 35 years have you ever heard ever ever in your entire three and a half decades in this city heard one positive thing about Apache Junction. No, no, never, never one. Just trailer jokes. That's it. Yeah, that's all.

The nice part about it is that there was when I was a kid, we used to go to Canyon Lake and Saguaro and Apache, all those lakes out there. The nice things that that little town existed so you could get to Tortilla Fl have some fucking uh prickly pear ice cream that's the only positive thing that was there that's pretty sad dude that's some sad stuff that's what's that's what the the attraction is yeah so you can go to a man-made hole in the desert perfect with some water in it some water in it yeah uh five stars and it's 98 degrees in the water. Oh, boiling hot. Boiling hot. The fish don't want to be in there.

They're jumping into your cooler. You don't even have to fish. They're like, that cooler looks great. Yeah. Five star. Apache Junction is a very friendly community in which everyone treats each other like family. What? Well, it's because they're inbred and are related.

They are family family that's the problem the shops and homes in apache junction are all reasonably priced and affordable for most yeah i'll show you some affordable ones later it's very affordable there is low crime rate and people are very welcoming that's just not true there's not a low crime rate and people are i mean i'm sure they're welcoming because it's like you know come on into the it's like if you're thrown into solitary confinement with someone they're like hey it's like, you know, come on into the it's like if you're thrown into solitary confinement with someone, they're like, hey, company, you know, only classify crime as like murder because the meth out there is insane. It's very, it's very smells like they're cooking all day long, all day long. It's a meth cook smell all day long through this place.

Two stars here. Here's two stars. Quote, it is hot and dirty. That's fair. There is nothing to do here. There is only one high school which has a very poor rating. Public transportation is nonexistent. Drugs are a huge problem, probably because there's nothing else to do here.

Fair. There are only a few apartment buildings which charge too much much for rent in a small underdeveloped town if you're not true if you are not over 65 you are out of place snowbirds take over in the winter and crowd every store because it's cheap so people will come it's arizona used to be like a retirement haven because it didn't snow and it was cheap. But now people still think that, but they've priced out of Phoenix has gotten so goddamn expensive that you have to live way well outside of the city if you want to have like a cheap retirement place.

And Del Webb created some really nice communities for the elderly. And the layouts of those communities were perfect for them because they could drive their golf carts and shit around exactly and that was the allure and the draw because you can be out here in a golf cart and it could be a relaxing slow pace and you don't have the weather and storms and shit of the east coast so the old people are like great this is fantastic and then they realized that oh god you can get fucking skin cancer very easily when you're older. Maybe I should put a hat on. In our paper-thin skin.

Yeah. So here's two stars here again. Quote, I currently reside in Apache Junction. Although not every community in this suburb of Phoenix is shady and sketchy, the majority of them are. That's what I was going to say. This isn't every neighborhood in apache junction but most um when they mean when they say shady they don't mean there are canopy structures set up with misters no they just mean it's bad that means bad and sketchy

also i personally live in the area because i honestly feel better about myself this is hilarious my socioeconomic status is low income but not as low as my counterparts, which honestly makes me feel more confident. Overall, there's a risk of burglaries and cop cars outside your front door on a daily basis. But it's where I call home. And if you feel like you can handle your own and want cheap rent, Apache Junction is the spot. So there you go. That's a positive if you feel like you can handle your own and want cheap rent i believe that's the same thing juarez says to get

people to move there like what the fuck are you talking about this is the funniest shit i've ever heard what is that about if you could feel like you could handle your own and you want cheap rent boy apache junction's awaiting what the fucking load sister wow that is wild man oh that's a crazy one i love five stars five stars that's a two star it's the spot uh two star again quote apache junction should be a hiking town with the amazing mountains and hikes but with the public school system going down the toilet so is the town jesus christ no one wants to move here so businesses are suffering and the only people that really live here are super old people and in parentheses rich and gold canyon or base of the mountain meth heads or struggling families that can't afford a decent place yeah that's a pretty accurate description of the town i would say that's the most accurate without any personal anything shading it probably i'm so thankful i never

made an apache junction joke whenever i was on stage no never because it's hacky it's so it's so prevalent it's hacky and by the way we don't want anybody saying oh you're punching down at people no we're not no not because we've both lived in phoenix for you know decades and we've been poor i've been very poor in phoenix everything else i've always managed to avoid apache junction though there's a way to do it that's a choice you're making to go to apache junction if you've made that choice i'm sorry that you if you have to or whatever but we're not punching down this is punching directly straight out in front of us this is as equal as it gets it's a fair fight we's legal fair fight we's legal and i have we've dealt with these people hillbillies coming in from the from

the from the desert out there to go to comedy shows and shit they're a goddamn nightmare every time they really are so uh here's one star one star i moved here a few months ago looking for a job i've been a caregiver all my life and worked in a store or two occasionally when you know they are hiring you do what you need to do to at least or do at least try to get hired and when all is said and done that's you've moved to the right place that's what it says they don't even notify you either way that's what it says they notify you if you do get the job i'm pretty sure of that they'll tell you if you do i just don't think they're notifying you because you can't spell on your application he got called and told he was fired because he didn't show up

yeah he's like oh shit you didn't tell me i was hired uh i can't for the life of me wonder how you can't for the life of me wonder you mean imagine how they were hired for the position they have i guess the people hiring who don't call her back or him back or somebody back and when you stalked when you talk to the managers in the store they all act like their personality has flown out the door double exclamation point okay wow i've never seen such miserable managers as the one i've ones i've encountered here smile every once in a while and have a people person attitude towards those you encounter it's apache junction you moved there yeah go somewhere else smile because there's rotten knobs in there you don't want to see that you don't want to see that they don't smile because they smell the meth and they don't want it to get in their mouth also they can smell it cooking they're gonna keep it in their nose hairs because they

can't keep it out of there fuck man uh here's a one star again uh quote in the two years that i have lived in arizona apache junction has remained a dump and an eyesore it's nasty and houses houses druggies and leaves uh laces that should be demolished off the face of the earth. Leaves laces? I think they mean places. Places, probably. It's never been cleaned up and made to look nice. It's horrible and deplorable.

Makes sense. Yeah. I will second all of that shit that we just read because it's bad. I've served papers there, by the way. This is the other thing. I'm not just driving through. I've served papers there. I've knocked. This is the other thing. I'm not just driving through. I've served papers there. I've knocked on these people's, quote, door.

That's not even a fucking door. You have a piece of plywood that's twice the size of the door in front of your fucking door instead of a door, and I have to knock on that and go, is someone coming? I don't know. I don't know what's going on here. That's not good.

Yeah, and you have like eight little kids running around in this environment uh people in this town 38 452 damned souls reside here unfortunately for them which is up 112 since 1990 is that real oh yeah well that's just all of phoenix is like that the whole valley is like that i mean that's just there there even yeah even there isn't that sad it spills it spills to there uh male female populations are pretty close to normal. Median age here is high. Fifty two is the median age. So there are a lot of old people here. All the other ones are pretty normal. Married is 50 50. Divorce rates a little bit high because, you know, you live in Apache Junction. It's miserable. You're going to want to get out of there, I would imagine. Race of this town here, 79% white, 1.1% black. Fascinating. A lot of black folks out in that direction.

1.1% Asian, 1.7% Native American, which is more than double the national average, and a little under 15 percent Hispanic, which is low for Phoenix. So it's it's the area you would say, where are all the white trash? You'd go Apache Junction. That's basically what you'd say. That's where that's that's that part of town. 40 percent of the people here are religious. You got to pray to leave here. I would either. This would either make you not believe in God or really believe hard because you need to pray to leave here i would you either this would either make you not believe in god or really believe hard because you need to pray to get out one of the two uh here so it's uh it's pretty spread around about 14 catholic but otherwise it's pretty spread around decently uh

last election maricopa county 50.1 voted democrat 48 republican 1.9 independent so that's the whole county though that doesn't that doesn't really tell you much about apache junction unemployment 48% Republican, 1.9% independent. So that's the whole county, though. That doesn't really tell you much about Apache Junction. Unemployment rate in Apache Junction is well above the national average. Right now, the national average is about 6% is what they've calculated it to at the moment. And it's 7.8% here. So it's pretty high. Median household income, which is normally about almost

fifty eight thousand dollars here it is just under forty thousand dollars for a household so low there the main job here and this is kind of the the kind of the main best job you get in town is riding around on a bicycle selling meth from a backpack yeah that's it's a very it's lucrative it's hard that's like you know those medical reps that go into like doctor's offices like they're like hot women and they go in and that it's the that's that equivalent there you're like a you're a drug rep is what you are you just go on a bicycle and unload it from your backpack so uh cost of living here 100 average. Here it's about 96. Housing is up 93, so it's not even cheap to live here. Median home costs $214,900.

That's highway robbery. Yeah, you're not shitting. You would not want to pay that. But 30% of the houses are worth under $40,000. 30%. A third of the houses are worth under forty thousand dollars thirty percent a third of the houses are worth under forty fucking thousand dollars yeah that that makes sense there's shit loads of parks there totally so if we have convinced you damn it this is the if you can hold your own and you want cheap rent apache junctions for you we have the apache junction arizona real estate report your average two-bedroom rental here goes for about 920 bucks which is less than the national

average and less than phoenix also you know are under the average i found a one bedroom, one bath, 624 square foot tin trailer. It is rock bottom. It's where you live if you've just been released from prison. And it's like you have a family member who has that sitting in the back of their yard. That's where you live. I'd rather live in my fucking car. $11,500. At least your car's got AC.

Exactly. That's what I mean. And for $11,500, your car is more expensive probably Exactly. That's what I mean. And for $1,100, your car is more expensive probably also. That's the other thing. I found a two-bedroom, two-bath, 1,056-square-foot, beige, depressing little box on just tan gravel and just dusty and depressing. It's just depressing. $78,000 for this little thing. Wow. Then, and this is horse

shit here, three bedroom, three bath, 2,444 square foot house. T-Bowls and B-Holes, James. T-Bowl for every B-Hole. It's one of those ugly, I don't even know, looks like it's been made of mud and smoothed out and it's just

ugly. It doesn't even look like a home, really. It's a new stucco, though? I guess, yeah. Or is it... Oh, I know what you're saying. It's that Casita style. Yeah, it's just ugly. The color's ugly is what I'm getting at, too.

It's in the desert. It's dirty. It's a decent house inside, but fuck me. It's on 1.25 acres of unusable dirt, so enjoy that. $659,900 for that fucking thing. No. It's the land, right? It's what land?

There's nothing there. Not that the land's valuable. I guess you could dice it up and build houses on it, but it's literally barren dirt. You couldn't grow weeds on that shit. There's nothing there the dirt is so dense it's so hard terrible yeah anything you want to get under it you need to blast it with dynamite because it's just fucking it's the desert man you're not supposed to live there it's not that it's the the lands i just mean the space to like not have neighbors that close by that's why

i guess that would be right yeah that's rare in phoenix in the phoenix area so it's rare to have more than fucking 15 feet between your house and the neighbor that's bananas it's true uh things to do here this is there's really nothing else nothing good here it's festival of the superstitions it's a two-day festival live entertainment bands it's all local bands that they don't even name and local entertainment this sounds like an awful gig that we would have done for 25 back in the day and been like why the fuck did we do that that wasn't because it's a festival it's prestige it's gonna be great and then they have they do have a splash pad pony rides and a pie eating contest so there's that that's disgusting eat a pie in the heat oh Splash pad. Oh, Christ. Enjoy. Gross.

Run around in warm sprinklers. Yay. Woo-hoo. Do you like golden showers? We got a ride for you. It's a golden shower simulator is what it is. Because these hills used to be full of gold. Right. You know how it is.

It's a gold rush thing. Crime rate in this town, what we're interested in, property crimes about 25% over the national average. This is going to be your meth-y things and your cars being broken into. Violent crime, though, murder, rape, robbery, and assault, the Mount Rushmore of crime is actually a little bit low. It's about 20% under the national average. So that's good, I guess. That said, let's talk about an absolutely horrible murder absolutely one of the worst

okay let's get out let's get at her let's start out in 1987 okay okay let's talk okay yeah this is going to be outside of Apache Junction. If you go to the east of Apache Junction, a little bit, I guess, sort of to the north. No, it's mainly just to the east. There's Apache Lake, and then there's campgrounds all along Apache Lake, which is just a lake in the desert. Don't think of it like trees or anything like that. It's just desert. They literally put a hose up to it at one point and filled it from someone's backyard, and it's still going.

That's how it works, I believe. I'm not sure. So they dammed the Salt River and created Apache and Roosevelt. And I believe that comes off of the bottom of that and then makes the Salt River also, which people tube. And you can get sunburn and hypothermia at hepatitis same time and hepatitis hepatitis so you can get the two big ages hypothermia and hepatitis while you're having heat stroke it's really amazing you can see why people flock from all over the country to come here fucking terrible i just think it's so funny all these people are moving to phoenix now it's like this thing popular place to move and i just think what do they think after

a week when they're like oh god what do we do what did we do why are we here told you we should have got the one with the pool fuck yeah god damn you said oh for an extra 10 grand who care this is why not that the pool helps because the pool is 97 degrees. So that doesn't really feel good either. So anyway. But the AC went out and at least that would feel a little cooler than this fucking house. No shit. Oh, God, the worst. So we're going to go back to February the 4th, 1987.

So, you know, back in time a little bit. This is before the big population boom of the Phoenix area. So Apache Junction and out by Apache Lake over there. Is it Lake Apache or Apache Lake? Apache Lake. in time a little bit this is before the big population boom of the phoenix area so apache junction and out by apache lake over there is it lake apache or apache lake apache lake apache lake yeah that that area is really you know not that populated very barren and yeah it's out there man yeah i mean yeah it's not uh anything so from the hills one morning, from the desert emerges a battered, bruised, battered, haggard, looks like she's been through hell, 19-year-old girl named Tracy Lynn Andrews. She has no shoes on. She's barefoot in the desert, which, bad idea, first of all.

no shoes on she's barefoot in the desert which bad idea first of all obviously not by choice clearly but you don't want to be barefoot in the desert at night because there are lots of poisonous things to bite your feet and it's bad and it gets out there in the 80s especially and way out there in february at night it would be below freezing for christ's sake sometimes it would be it's cold it's in the 30s i mean she's got to be her toes have got to be very very cold raw too and the raw james the desert like when you think of you up right but when you think of like mountainous and like wild rocks and stuff you see like a smooth yeah no no this these rocks are not that they are jagged you step on them and you step on it wrong it'll slice your shit right open absolutely and then the dirt is like walking on sandpaper basically right walk through like a hot sandpaper that then freezes at night and

see how your feet feel afterwards um she stumbles walking barefoot into the town of punkin center you know what that is punkin center is there anything even there no no it's like a kind of a stop basically it's a small it's a small, it's a remote. The people that work there just like operate the facilities out there. You know what I mean? Jesus. It's just like the guy, the last guy to end his shift turns the lights off. That kind of thing. Yeah.

Yeah. Town's closed. They just go home. Town's closed. See y'all later. Yeah. Be back tomorrow. Turns the traffic signal on and goes home.

I got to take my mother to doctor tomorrow. Town will be open about 11, 1130 tomorrow. I'm not sure when I'll be back. traffic signal on and go home i gotta take my mother to doctor tomorrow town will be open about 11 11 30 tomorrow i'm not sure when i'll be back so uh we're running bankers hours yeah you know how it is so she stumbles into this this is about 25 miles east of the burnt corral campground which is at lake uh so yeah. She has quite the story. She's seen wandering on the side of the road by motorists basically coming, emerging from the desert. And she obviously needs help. So they pick her up and they take her to Ranger Station or some sort of authority area. And she has quite the story to tell of how she ended up there.

And it's fucking crazy. She has spent the last more than 24 hours wandering through the desert barefoot. She's lucky to be alive. All the way through the night, wandering through. And this is off basically head Apache Lake East. And that's where she walks just into the mountains, which is insanely crazy. It's some scary shit just to walk out she's going if she's looking for civil civilization she's going the wrong way well she was just looking to get the fuck out of the situation she was in it had nothing to do with where she was going it was where she was running from which was one of the worst things

i've ever heard in my life uh absoluteute horror here. She was visiting from Chicago with her boyfriend, Richard Brough. B-R-O-U-G-H. Brough? Brough? Brough. Brough. Shit. Richard.

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Dickie Brogue. Richard here. He's 26 years old. She's 19, and that's who they had come with. Boom. She emerges from the desert. She's not with him. She's alone.

She's got quite, like I said, quite the harrowing tale ending with a 25-hour barefoot trek through the remote mountains. So let's find out what made her do that, basically, how she ended up out there. Let's talk about a fella, shall we? Let's talk about a guy named Robert Charles Comer. Robert Charles Comer, better known, his buds call him Gypsy.

Oh, not Rob, not Bob, not Chuck not bob not chuck nope gypsy gypsy gypsy so right away when the guy's name is gypsy we're in good shape you know what i'm saying we're we're doing something here when there's a gypsy character in our stories so checking all the boxes james right away checking him uh he's about he's 30 years old in 1987 now little background on him because you got to kind of know where how he came to be he is raised in a middle-class family he's his parents are named patricia and charles they had four kids all boys so he's uh you know the oldest of four boys i don't know if that has any impact on anything. His father was an engineer for a technology firm in Northern California. His mother worked as a quality control inspector in Silicon Valley.

So he didn't come up and, you know, he's not like some backwoods hillbilly. His parents are educated people. This is prior to Google and PayPal and all that shit. But still, that's, that's a great place to be.

Constructing. Yeah. Constructing things there, like there like you know making the i guess because this is in the early 60s like the big giant computers that companies would use for government purposes too and shit like that they were installing the tube that the internet's in yeah all them all them underground tubes so uh but i mean they're clearly educated people they're not he's not like destitute he doesn't you know he's not from a he's not from that eleven thousand dollar trailer in the real estate report you know what i mean like he's not there uh he gypsy gypsy gypsy i don't think he got the name gypsy till he was older though we'll say i got a feeling you're

right i don't think the parents said, hmm, our oldest boy, we call him Gypsy. I'm Chucky. We call him Gypsy. It's very weird. So, yeah, and his dad's name is Charles. So he's not a junior, but he's a. Almost. Almost there. So anyway, he he's a normal looking kid, you know, all that sort of shit.

He's not like a brooding young child or anything like that he liked to fish and uh he was a member of the school's safety patrol so that's nice all monitor played football for a little while as a as a kid up until i don't think he played high school or anything but he played you know like pop warner that sort of shit um you know um he was training to become a military policeman actually he had joined the army when he became of age and uh in july 1975 army officials uh ended up uh giving him an honorable discharge after they learned of his prior to that unknown juvenile criminal record. So they just booted him out of the Army with a, you know, with an honorable discharge.

What ended up happening was he quit high school in his senior year and he enlisted in the Army in 1975, but he had served four months in a youth facility on a burglary charge and some other shit too. Joy riding, which is basically when you plead to stealing a car when you're a kid. They call it joy riding, which is very different than stealing a car.

Joy riding is what you do with your parents' car. Yeah. Stealing a car insinuates, it implies you have an angry face, but joy riding is like, I'm having a great time. We just took it to have some fun. There's nothing nefarious about it. We're not going to chop it up or anything.

Just going to have a little fun with it. But joyriding is, to me, when you steal someone's car who you can't really steal. Like you steal your dad's car. It's not really stealing the car, obviously. The keys were in the house. And, you know, you just took it like an asshole when you weren't supposed to you steal your parents car the key is in the ignition you didn't bust a steering column and rub some wires jam a screwdriver anyway right yeah this is this is a different case so yeah stealing i feel like is a stranger that's that's theft so uh either way

he did some time in there and when he did some time in there. And when he did some time in there, he immediately became a member of like kind of a young offshoot of the Aryan Brotherhood. Jumped right into that. Some Hitler youth. Abe was right into there. Yeah, just the California penal system is lousy with gangs. It's just all gangs of every race there is. Shockful. It's just shockful.

And it has been since like the 50s. So it's just the way it is. And Arizona is very similar. It's the same thing. Pretty much the Western states all have like the gang thing, whereas the East Coast, it's much less about gangs and much more about areas you're from and shit like that. It's a fascinating. It's a different thing. If I've read so many prison books and I can't tell you how varied the system is.

It's so different. That must be something based on like those places where the gangs being prevalent. It has to be something with transplants. You know what I mean? Because there aren't a lot of people from Arizona. You know what I mean? So when you get there, like you'll have a dude that's from New York and a dude that's from fucking Oregon.

You'd be like, what do we have in common i don't know you're white i'm white yeah i know you're right exactly whereas like in new york it would be like well he's from brooklyn so we're from queen so we don't like them you know what i mean it would be more like that but it would be like my six guys and their five guys don't like each other it wouldn't be like you know the how the the unit is literally split up by racial differences and like, you know, like it is in the West. So bizarre. It's it's a very bizarre thing here. So he anyway, he ended up at the time he is in Arizona in 1987. He is basically running from a parole violation warrant that he has later on and we'll we'll

kind of catch you up on what he did he'd been paroled in san jose in 1984 and he registered as a sex offender there and we'll tell you why in a moment and he stayed out of trouble until december 85 so over a year he stayed out of trouble which is a lot for this guy and then he was uh declared a parolee at large he just stopped going to his parole officer and um basically yeah he had burglary and joyriding charges then once he gets kicked out of the army or just discharged from the army he ends up uh being arrested for something much much much much much much worse he's arrested in 1978 for the knife point kidnapping and rape of a girl under the age of 13 gross just that the worst the that's as bad as a human could be yeah there he is which is that

that crime is the reason for uh the alerts that we get on our phones you know what i mean yeah it's the reason why people fear sending their kids outside. It's that right there. He just nailed it. And fucking. So this is this is that's wow. That's a that's an asshole. We'll just say that he is sentenced on the rape charge here.

Oh, and assault with a deadly weapon as well, because he had a knife. He is sentenced to under seven years in prison for this which seems very light that seems extremely light no am i crazy or what of a child under 13 like what what the fuck that's not even a high school kid yet like no you can't he's he fucking raping a sixth grader this is insanity like what the hell are you talking about so awful it's as awful as it gets for seven years seven yeah less than that's the sentence that's his sentence so yeah he's gonna get out earlier than that which is crazy um so that's may of 1979 he's sentenced to over six years in prison because it's under seven but in november of 1979

he climbs over a fence at the state correctional training facility at soledad and fucking escapes he takes off so now basically the worst predator you have is now running free through the night out of here which is awful. He scales your fence. Absolutely. He was committed because it just took off. How big of a fence did you have? Get a bigger one. So, yeah, he was there.

The administrative assistant to the superintendent of the prison said that he would have his earliest parole date was January of 83. So, I mean, he had like, you know, four years. Yeah. He was missing from the facility at 4.15 p.m. And they did a search and confirmed that he escaped. At the time, they didn't know how he escaped. They just put it in the paper that his parents live in San Jose and a woman friend lives near there as well. So that's where he might be.

So that's where he might be. And they describe him as having a star tattooed next to his right eye and two teardrops from the right side of his left or from the side of his left eye. He got in early on the face tats, dude. That's and also a lightning bolt tattooed on the right side of his neck. So there's your Aryan shit. Yeah. So he's got his Aryan bolt and he's got his fucking his drops for what he's been doing in jail drops. Yeah. I mean, he's a he's fucking twenty two years old and he's already just like Mr. Prison guy there or or employee of the month at Circle K.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Brown hair, brown eyes, about one hundred and seventy five pounds. And they're saying he's 6162 now he escaped like we said in uh in november of that year right is that what i said he escaped yes oh no october october he escaped um he escapes in october and november 16th now his path was he ended up in dallas texas his path from what we understand was down the california coast and then over as you drive like on the 40 basically that way that direction or on the 10 under that way and then pop up either one november 16th 1979 this is about three weeks after he escaped from jail there is a uh a woman a man breaks into a woman's apartment

in escondido now this is never put together but i was just looking through a shitload of newspaper things from back then and they're fucking the sketch and his mugshot are very fucking close and it's right along the path of where he would have been and when he would have been there so i don't know if he did this or not look at you paul holes i'm just found newspaper thing but i mean i i don't know if this woman is still alive it's worth investigating i don't know so uh that's incredible i don't know i just looked at old newspapers the detective here said the man entered the apartment uh woke her up and threatened her with a knife that he wanted to sexually assault her. And he had a knife.

That seems like our guy, which seems like our guy. He had a Halloween mask on at the time. She ripped off the mask and fought him. And she managed to escape. And he was ended up being cut in the scuffle somehow with his own knife. And she managed to escape. Now, their composite of him is a man in his 20s, slender like him, somehow with his own knife and she managed to escape and they now they're they're composite of him as a man in his 20s slender like him dark air dark hair dark eyes uh hair pulled back in a ponytail which he had long hair and he had a mustache the same as as our guys the only difference

is she says he's five eight or five nine and he's about six one which that that kind of though, goes unless he stood like next to a if he woke her up and was on top of her. How the hell does she know how tall he is? You know what I mean? Like at no point, it seems like in it, was she able to see him standing straight up, standing next to her going, OK, there's about eight inch difference. She's just given her best thing. So let me show you on where he's sitting on on her legs because i'm i'm sure he is uh yeah you know i mean he could appear shorter if he's sitting on the knees versus the thigh yeah we have no idea especially in the dark in the middle of the night i mean we don't know height

so here is i'll turn the monitor toward you there here is the sus that's the the drawing of it now he looks older but she says he's in his 20s so i think that's just a thing of like the sketch artist didn't do it very well. But look at the sketch. He does look 45 or six. Right. That's what I mean. Yeah.

The cheeks kind of. But then look at our guy. What is that? Let's see here. Oh, my. Yeah, man. Pull that hair back. Turn it a little closer here.

Look at this. That is. Yeah. Pull that hair back. Mustache. Same mustache. That could go for our guy i mean it's it's a it's similar dude and the mo and where he was i mean not that there's not a an abundance of rapists in california i'm sure back then or all the time because there's 30 million people so

there's going to be a lot of people doing everything basically and the sharing of information wasn't very thorough no possible i mean you finding that alone is pretty pretty goddamn incredible so i mean i don't know if it means anything but maybe someone who does that sort of thing look into it i'm not sure that's not my not my bag so uh he ended up being arrested in dallas in may of 1980 and he's returned to so he made it out for months think about that he was out for over six months six months this imagine what he was doing in the meantime you think he got out of jail and didn't do anything and just laid low fuck no i mean who knows i've been working on my house for six months james it seems like a fucking lifetime that's what i mean he was out forever it's insanity so he's returned uh to soledad in may of 1980 but then

he's transferred to folsom after that uh yeah after his prison escape conviction he's transferred to folsom which is a completely different deal than this training facility um so but yeah he was apprehended in dallas he's returned returned and assigned to the segregated housing unit now. Now we're going to talk about he's going to be in the shoe units for pretty much the whole time. That's for your really bad people. The issue, basically, that's what they call it there. He remained there for about eight months until he was transferred to Folsom. He ends up in the general population in Folsom and remains in the general population

until September of 1982 when he's slashed in the neck by another inmate and injured badly so he's reassigned to the SHU unit based on the attack and remain there for about six months how shitty is that yeah you get attacked and you gotta go in there you get tossed in there there you go you're in danger asshole here you go that's rough man so uh in february 83 he was transferred from uh to another different shoe unit inside fulsome and i'm only giving you these ideas these things because it comes up later okay and um you'll see anyway he does that um he in 84 he's paroled um he was uh basically and he was in fulsome shoe shoe units for about six months and for in a different shoe unit there for as long as 17 months so yeah he's got a he's been in these shoe units pretty much the whole time he was in there fucking

year and a half all alone james all alone man all alone i know a guy who did five years in solitary all all five years holy shit a mob guy five years because he he wouldn't say shit so they just kept him there for five years to try to break him yeah but let's say i mean if he didn't know anything and he's not a hardened psychopath he fucking is now yeah oh yeah yeah he was anyway but i mean he was just he was just like that fuck you i don't care i just stayed there for five years but that's out of that's insanity so i'm scared to death of that man he's capable of doing that you should be not you personally but anybody should be so uh anyway uh that is a shoe unit at folsom was so bad in november 3 1980, the district court issued a preliminary injunction injunction requiring the CDC to implement steps.

That's the Center for Disease Control for people outside the U.S. to implement steps to fix the fucking place, basically, because they were so bad. The shoe unit was a court order. The physical condition of the cells in the unit were described as this. The cells measured five or six feet wide by eight to nine feet long. They had a bed, quote, of some sort. So you never know. It could be a pile of leaves. Who fucking knows?

Yep. A thin mattress, a pillow, a blanket, a coverless toilet, and a sink. Most of the cells were windowless and primarily were only lighted by a single bulb of inadequate wattage, as the report found. They found that inmates were, at best, irregularly provided changes of clothing, bedding, and linens, and at worst, weeks or months could lapse

before an inmate was provided with clean clothing, bedding, and linens. That's called cruel and unusual. That's just called making, yeah, you're making someone an animal at that point. So you're a literal, I don't mean like the society, like, oh, he's an animal. I mean, you're literally turning them feral at that point. Right. You may as well just sprinkle some cedar chips in a box. And I know some people will be like, well, I mean, they shouldn't have been in prison

and blah, blah, blah. Yes, but that's not how you right do it you know what i mean you don't yeah you don't you don't torture people that's not how we're i get if you like that yeah i was gonna say if you like that that's great but that's seriously un-american shit right there right you know and i don't mean that other people be like oh fuck you want american we don't torture prisoners either in other places but i mean like you know the way we like to think of ourselves as some sort of whatever. We prop ourselves up as this morality beacon. There you go.

We lead the world in humanitarianism. You can't be a humanitarian and do that shit. And I get he raped a 13 year old or 12 year old or whatever at knife point. So I don't want him to be. I'm not saying get the guy a fucking a recliner and let him you know what i mean like let's see what he wants for dinner tonight and give him a massage let's not put him up in the w but for fuck's sake let's let's give the man not getting happy ending massages here but you know a change of underwear once a week seems like a not not unreasonable thing to ask for right right? How's about a 40-watt bulb, you guys?

Can we compromise there? Let the guys see? Yeah, yeah, because most of these, and we only say that because most of these people, you're going to release at some point. Right, right. So don't make it worse. If we're not imposing the death penalty,

let's at least give them not a reason to hate fucking everything when they get out and take it out on people. Yeah, and I'm not saying that, you know, because people will say, well, it's not prison's job to rehabilitate. Okay, that's fine. But also, it's not their job to make them worse. That's not the goal here. So they found the cells lacked adequate heating and ventilation, causing them to be hot in the summer, cold in the winter.

And that's every prison, I think. And that all the plumbing frequently resulted in leaking toilets wet floors water shutdowns and inability to flush toilets well this is great to anybody when you're yeah well there you go the court found rodents insects dirt and excrement present in the cells and that inmates were not provided the means to clean their cells they had nothing to clean them with either so they they couldn't do it. Now, Comer said this is what he wrote about Folsom later on here. Gypsy. Sorry. This is what Gypsy wrote.

Quote, I remember feeling my mind shut down at one piece at a time. I used to mess with the rats. I could never figure out how they got in. At night, they would crawl on you. At first, it bugged you. But then, like love or the girl you left behind, you just turned them all off. You live like a robot. I used to talk to the rats at first.

After four months, they talked back. You think you're going crazy, so you don't fuck with the rats no more. After six or seven months, all your mind could say was, fuck you. Oh, my God. He's turning into, what is it, Willard? Was that the guy's name? Yeah, he tried to, but the rats didn't even want to hang out with him. So he's like, all right it willard was that the guy's name yeah he tried to but the rats didn't even want to hang out with him so he's like all right fuck it fuck you rats

he just described a descent into madness in this place and it makes sense here so 1987 this guy obviously a fucking menace here by 87 like i, he's a wanted fugitive from parole, but he was released on parole in 84. So in 87, he and his, I suppose, girlfriend. I mean, we've never really established what the relationship is, but I feel like it's his girlfriend. By the way, he has a daughter, this man. Stop this. He has a fucking daughter out there somewhere. Yes.

Do we know how old she is at this point? I don't know, but it has to be older than 40. this he has a fucking daughter out there somewhere yes do we know how old she is at this point i don't know but it has to be older than 40 i mean it has to be by based based on when he was in prison and all that sort of shit so it's wild uh now he and juniva ann willis is her name oh yeah juniva so uh gypsy and juniva hit the road knowing that they're wanted. They hit the road to get out of California. Call her June bug, June bug,

June bug and gypsy. That's, that sounds like some bad movie, June bug and gypsy. Um, in tow, not only do they have those two, uh,

but they decide it's a good idea to take June Bugs two children with them as well. Because, you know, you want to when you're fleeing with a fugitive from justice, you want to make sure the kids are around for that. You know, a fugitive who's a fugitive from charges of fucking child rape. Child rape. Oh, by the way, her two children, daughter, 10 years old. That's right in his knife point rape range named Sarah and a little and her other and her son is named Mitchell, who's eight years old that's right in his knife point rape range uh named sarah and a little uh and her other and her son is named mitchell who's eight years old oh boy the other thing is these kids keep this

in mind are old enough to remember all of what's going to happen so just think about that so in mid-january uh 1987 they take off uh and leave sac Sacramento, California, where they've been laying low for his parole thing. They have less than $500 on them, and they're just fleeing, which is good for a family of four, essentially. We'll make it on our own. Until they search my name. And this is in 87. This isn't 19-fucking-31, where 500 bucks would go a long way, and you could put a down payment on a house and, you know, all this sort of shit. Buy a nice car and start a business and do it all on your own.

You could do it. And pay for college as well. Yeah. I did four semesters like this. No, none of that shit. This 500 bucks goes not that far. It's like basically 1,000 bucks now. If you were to flee your life with $1,000, how long is that going to last you, realistically?

So they travel through. They go through Nevada and all that sort of shit. They kind of weave their way down and end up in Arizona. They end up in Arizona, and they end up at the Burnt Corral Campground at Apache Lake on February 2, 1987. That's how you make $500 stretch. That's how you do it. $500 a night, babe. That's it.

This is, I think, probably, I don't even know if it costs money to be here. You might be right. It might be free. I don't think there's hookups at this point. This is just desert from what I gather. Now they can only charge if there's bathrooms there. And back then, I don't even think that was the case. And the bathrooms then are just like a hole dug in the ground with a plastic cracked toilet that sits on it.

Jesus Christ. God awful wildlife all over the toilet. A Phoenix summertime porta potty is the most horror filled piece of plastic on the on the planet it really is it's just it's bad there's you're describing it's true like the the condensation from it being heated up it rains in there it rains they just cleaned it because they spray the shit out of the inside of that thing and then they slam that door shut in 112 degrees and all that water in there just it forms a shit cloud inside there that's tucked up against the ceiling and then it just rains disgusting so jesus now two or three

days before that they got there on february 2nd they stopped at the orange peel campground i don't know where that is orange peel campground and they stole some food and liquor so they have some food and liquor uh but once they get to the uh the campground the burnt corral campground they have some stolen food and liquor but no money at all flat broke and you know almost out of gas basically they putter on in so that night they meet a friend they They're not somebody they know, but they make friends with someone in the next campsite. He is a drifter from Florida, which is a perfect guy to make friends with. Named Larry Pritchard, who's 46 years old. And he's, I guess, drifting on through from Florida.

Yeah, they meet them. Now, Pritchard is, I guess he's a very heavyset guy and has some sort of physical disability. So standing up, sitting down, walking is all very difficult for him and labored. So he's not a very spry man. So what they do is Gypsy and Junebug and the kids, I guess, invite Larry Pritchard over to their campsite for dinner that night. I'll come over and eat with us and hang out. We got some booze and all that sort of shit. So Larry says, yeah, what the fuck?

Why not? I'll go sit down with you. I'm a drifter. A drifter from Florida has never turned down a free meal. Mighty kind of you. Mighty kind. So much obliged. So he sits on down and they eat dinner.

Much obliged. So he sits on down and they eat dinner. After dinner, Gypsy calmly tells Junebug, quote, I'm going to blow him away. Oh, boy. Out of nowhere. So, yeah, at approximately nine o'clock, they're all sitting around the campfire, relaxing, you know, just having a good old time. And apparently Gypsy walks up to Larry Pritchard while he's just sitting there by the fire, walks up, sticks a.38 revolver right in his ear and shoots him. Oh, my God.

Just blows his fucking brains out right there, which a.38 in the ear will do a lot of damage. It should, yeah. That's big enough. Then he went and got Junebug and forced her to look at it and say, look what I did. I did that. For you what i did i did that for you yeah i did that for you a little time went by and he said he couldn't tell if larry was alive or dead or not they couldn't tell you know i was like yeah maybe is that a pulse i can't really feel it he's not a medical professional i've been in the clink for a long time i forgot

all my medical training from mp school You don't learn that in the shoe. You know what I mean? Shoe lessons aren't this sort of shit. So he says, well, I don't know if he's dead or not. I better stab him in the throat just to make sure. Boy. So he absolutely fucking a vicious stab wound that goes pretty much through his entire throat. Big blade.

I mean, just just to make. Just to finish him off. And then he went and got Willis again and said, see what I've done? Because that's what he said. Quote, see what I've done? That's exactly what he said to her. See what I've done? Quote, I'm a cold and callous killer, is what he told her.

I knew a minute ago. Yeah. Okay, great. So I i'm gonna round the kids up yeah we're gonna skedaddle i gotta sacramento's calling yeah that's the thing um now so he ends up kind of pushing that body kind of off into the brush and kind of covering it up and just kind of leaving it there for a minute which is lucky for him because nearby campers, including the camp host, I didn't know there was a camp host.

I guess somebody's got to be in charge. That's the person that's, yeah, it's basically in charge. They keep full. Right. That's the person. That's the person. That's the host. It's just checking shitters.

They're basically camping too. Yeah. Checking shitters and camping. I camp for free because I check the shitters. This one's a Mark Twain. He's got names for it. That's amazing. Come on in the Davia Crockett and sit on down now.

He's jamming a stick in them to see how full they are, like somebody on the front of a I'm marking the Twain. See, that's how that is. Gross. Funny. His name's's how that is. Gross. Funny, his name's Samuel Clemens. Very odd. Didn't expect this. No, the camp host's name is not Samuel Clemens.

The camp's host's name is Marquis Boltz with a Z. A cool name. Yeah, that sounds awesome. Sounds like a cornerback. Sounds made up. Right? Sounds made up as fuck. Sounds like a badass cornerback that's coming out this

year oh shit first round marquise bolts he shuts motherfuckers down shut down corner either that or he's running too and he was like bolts i should put a z so it doesn't sound made up yeah that's that'll sound better well anyway marquise bolts heard the gunshot and uh yeah that's the thing about 38s james they're loud as fuck and through that area there's nothing out there so it just reverberates through the mountain you probably hear it on the edges of phoenix i'm not even kidding because it would crackle all the way out to there and the other direction lost lost cruces heard it that's yeah it's it's all yeah you're right so uh boltsz comes to the campsite and issues a citation for discharging a firearm on campgrounds.

Not allowed to do that. The host is writing citations? Yeah, I don't know who the hell knows if he's like a local something, too. He's probably the local cop also. I'll fine you one demerit. There you go. And there you are that will be saturday detention y'all are gonna have to stay an extra day i'm sorry so um he said that he fired the gun

um he admitted to firing the gun he said i was just messing around i'm sorry blah blah blah but this bolts never saw pritchard never saw the body didn't see any blood because it's dark out. So he just, you know, was like, all right, yeah, whatever. So now before leaving this campsite, because he's like, we should probably get the fuck out of here eventually. Before leaving, he does, of course, you know, rifle through Pritchard's pockets and all of his personal belongings. He takes his EMT emergency medical technician badge. Pritchard has an EMT badge. I don't know if he was an emt at this point he's a drifter so he's not doing much in terms of medical work but i

don't know if he was or what but they take his badge that's one thing that he has on him gypsy and uh what he does he just takes his badge and hides the body covering it with some wood that was around like for fires and shit like that so some brush and some wood yeah that ought to hold it right no one will ever find him in there good planning hopefully by the time they find him we're long gone long gone he uh he and june bug then packed up all their camping gear and uh drove over to pritchard's campsite which was the next one over in the thing. So they packed up like they were leaving, and they ended up in his campsite. They found a camera, fishing equipment, maps, a big old hunting knife, and also they take all of this shit, and they take Pritchard's full-bred beagle puppy as well, who was also

in the campsite. So they left this beagle puppy parentless, and they take the beagle puppy as well who was also on the campsite so they left this beagle puppy parentless and they take the beagle puppy with them so now we have this psychopath june bug who is we don't know really what her motivation is at this point yeah her two children which right all i see is danger and now we add a cute puppy to the mix as well i mean full-bred perfect one james this is it's ridiculous honestly it's so it's so much that you're like holy shit now the kids must have known about the shooting they they're they have ears and they were at the camp trying kids i got you a dog i got you a dog here take care of it wow um he also attempted to siphon gas from pritchard's car but the tank was empty so uh

they surfed uh they searched for money and found none so at that no at that point gypsy tells uh june bug the kids and the puppy presumably as well that he's got to go for a drive quote to think uh yeah at this point you go okay run as fast as you can in the other opposite direction that he drove i think but they don't they don't do that which is you got your kids with you i don't care if you're into the guy but you don't want your kids being around this crazy shit i would hope murder and dog theft and desert dwelling. He parked and went and, quote, thinked for about an hour. And then he went and got the kids and June Bug and the puppy, and they drove to a neighboring campsite.

Okay? Drive to a neighboring campsite where they encounter two more people at this campsite. They encounter 26-year-old Richard Brog. Brog. I remember him. campsite where they encounter two more people at this campsite they encounter uh 26 year old richard bro brogue i remember bug and 19 year old tracy lynn andrews is who they find at this site now um earlier that day they had run into uh richard and tracy and the june uh june bug and gypsy ran into richard and tracy and uh Gypsy knows that they have a small amount of weed. Because I guess they had talked, you know, hey, we'll hang out later and smoke.

Or, you know, we're going to smoke a joint later. Whatever the fuck it was. In a social manner, he found out that they had a little bit of weed. So he's like, okay. What he ends up doing is taking the EMT badge and pretending that he is a drug enforcement officer. Oh, that's what that means. Yes. So he takes the badge and he poses as what he says is a quote.

Now, he's got a beagle and two children with him. The beagle puppy doesn't look like a drug sniffer at this point. And I've never seen cops bring their children on a raid. Come on, kids. It's take your son and daughter to work day it's going to be great we're going to raid a drug campsite it's going to be wonderful i've never seen that before we watched a lot of live pd was there ever like the camera the mic the producer the guy and his child like holding his hand as he goes up to do a traffic stop i've never seen it before. I understand that anybody who's paid attention to the media would have to come to the conclusion that I killed my wife.

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transportation department. Yeah, it's the non-desert marijuana smoking society really that we formed with my law enforcement brothers and we are here to stop it so this is fucking crazy he he and and and june bug both poses officers he has the badge out and i guess it's one of those things like in 48 hours with eddie murphy says all you need is a badge and some confidence you know what i'm saying and he's like that, all you need is a badge and some confidence. You know what I'm saying? And he's like, that's all you need in there. So he goes in and says claims to be what he says is an Arizona drug enforcement officer. That's what he says.

They are both of them. And they order Richard and Tracy at gunpoint to come out of their tent and lie on the ground. They just see a badge and a gun. And when someone's and a gun and when someone's got a gun the badge all you need to see is a glint of the badge you're not going to examine that fucking thing yeah you're looking at the gun probably more more than anything that's why they always say like eyewitness identifications are so terrible in like armed robberies and shit because you look at the gun not the person it's just you look at the danger you follow the gun to the person but then you go back to the fucking gun because that's what

you're scared of not the person so you're not you're not focusing on a person and getting the as much like brain picture as you would if they weren't holding a gun and somebody with a gun is as scared of this situation as you are generally that's why they have a gun right and and you watch the gun because they use that gun like you talk with your fucking hands. They like point you in directions and shit. So you're watching that gun and following the orders. Whichever direction that thing shows, you go that way. Yeah.

Yeah. They have a gun because they thought maybe that they could not rob you without one probably. That's the reason why. Exactly. You know? If they thought, oh, I can rob this person. No problem. They probably wouldn't even bother.

Just leave the fucking gun at home. So, yeah, I mean, shit. You never see like, I guess if you're going to steal candy from a baby, you don't need a gun for that. You just grab it. Probably a great point. So I don't know. So anyway, he's got them at gunpoint lying on the ground in front of their tent here. And I'm sure they're very scared.

They're on fucking vacation. They drove here. Now they're getting held at gunpoint by this crazy fuck with a gun out. And it's a lot. So he briefly flashed the empty badge, obviously, and says he was on official police business. And where do you keep the weed? Where do you keep the weed? Right.

Let's go. So they told them, directed them to where they kept the weed. Where do you keep the weed? Right. Let's go. So they told them, directed them to where they kept the weed. And then he, quote, arrested them by binding them with wire and duct tape. That sounds like a cop. I was going to say, again, we've seen a lot of stuff and I've seen movies and a lot of live shit and cops and live PD and everything. That's one procedure I may have missed. I've never seen the one where they're like, get the wire and the duct tape. We're hooking these fuckers up I may have missed. I've never seen the one where they're like, get the wire and the duct tape.

We're hooking these fuckers up and taking them in. I've never seen that before. Well, it's because, James, you aren't watching the A cops. See, the A cops oftentimes run out of handcuffs, and you've got to make do. They're busting so many people. They're like, we ain't got no more. Damn it, Johnson.

Stop arresting everybody. We don't even have handcuffs. He's so successful, God damn it. I just filled a paddy wagon. even have handcuffs he's so successful god damn it i just filled a paddy wagon i'm going for my last two for the bonus fuck the quota fuck it i don't need cuffs i got my duct tape and some wire i think in the trunk we'll just make it work so he bounds that binds them with wire and duct tape which is i would assume fucking terrifying in the middle of the desert. No one's around. He then searched their tent, got the weed, got a small sum of money,

not even a lot, 50 bucks or something, some personal items just that he figured he could sell. Then he takes them and places the couple in their truck. They're all bound up. He places them both in their own truck. And then he jumps in the truck and drives away with them. Oh, boy. We don't even have our own cop car.

Oh, no. This is both in there in a truck. Now, you have a truck that you're going to be thrown bound with duct tape into. And Junebug jumps in his truck, Gypsy's truck that they drove there in, and follows behind. Oh, God, dear shit. Yeah, she's in a truck, free, that way. You know what I'm saying? I mean, fuck, man.

Poppy and bagel. Right? You could be getting a prickly pear ice cream in 20 minutes. What are you doing? The kids would love that after the horrible 24 hours they've had. I don't know, James. They got a dog. I never got a dog i never got a dog that's true no one ever brought me a purebred puppy and was like here you go so you know what talk about the best and worst day ever for a kid like you can't get any more of a roller coaster of a day than watching some man's brains be blown out at a campfire

and then be handed a puppy like it's the fucking what a mind fuck for a child cheer up you couple little bitches right like what the fuck man that would be here's a bitch yeah here you go female oh yeah no shit oh my god, wow. They're driving away. After they drive for a short time, he stops. Gypsy stops the truck and waves Junebug over to talk to him. And they speak for a minute. And then he continues driving. Willis stays behind.

Okay? Okay. Apparently that was the plan. was the that was the plan um later on and in this drive as they're still driving tracy asks if he can stop if gypsy can stop so she can go to the bathroom okay okay so obviously you would probably have to go at some point during this so right um he does he stops he cuts the tape that bound her feet together and takes her into the woods to do her business all right so she takes a leak in the woods and he decides this is a good time to rape her oh god so he does um he rapes her in the woods at this point since it's out jesus christ um and then he returns tracy to the truck at that

point and um he's like hmm this is this is why this guy, this guy is really fucking sick because we, it's one thing. It's the, this isn't about making me feel good. It's about making you feel bad. Right. Which those people are always way more dangerous in my mind than people that are going for some kind of gratification because they enjoy causing heartache and pain and doing bad things to people so that's what the kind of guy he is and you can tell it by this because they return to the truck he then um takes uh richard okay and hog ties him outside of the truck to the front bumper of the truck oh my hog ties him with duct tape and tapes him up and and has a wire and all his shit to the front bumper of the truck okay this is what he does he then lays tracy down next to him and uh and then rapes her oh my god then forces her to have oral sex with him to him whatever

and then rapes her again oh my god all of this obviously you know within two feet a foot of of the hogtied richard over here okay so he is a sick motherfucker for everything he's doing and he's he's going for like extra extra credit on this shit too like i know i'm flaring to this yeah i really want everyone to be tortured i don't want to rape him but i bet that would make him feel bad just maybe almost not quite as bad as i'll make her feel though like it's how can i make everyone feel as bad as possible well he says horrible things to this man. That's what I mean. It's absolutely disgusting, his whole thing here. So after he's done, he threatens to kill Richard.

Like, well, I'm just going to kill him now. Jesus Christ. But Tracy talks him out of it. Yeah. Tracy said, Jesus Christ. I think he's been through enough. I mean, what the fuck here? So what he does is he disconnects him from the bumper

and just tosses richard into the woods still tight still hog tied by duct tape and other things okay just throws him off into the woods and drives off with tracy in their truck jesus i mean this is terrifying absolutely so much anxiety right now how can can you not? Jesus Christ. So shortly thereafter, he gets the truck stuck in a ditch somehow because he's a fucking idiot. That's why. So he gets he gets the truck stuck in a ditch and he abandons the vehicle. And he and Tracy walk back to where Junebug had the truck back there waiting where they had where she had stopped. So they walk a good distance back and uh eventually they end up driving all all around all through the night uh with the fucking tracy gypsy june bug and the two children the kids have to be like gee why is

there a a battered tied up woman in our car that's not normal petting that dog and shut your mouth um yeah uh they do this um well okay so they're driving around at one point he stopped the truck and shot the dog and killed it oh my god sorry i had to tell you that but it's not worse than what happened no it's not people go that's i can i understand people we'll get messages where people go i don't care about people but i what happened no it's not people go that's i can i understand people we'll get messages where people go i don't care about people but i what happened to the dog well if you think that would happen if that's worse than what just happened i don't know what kind of person you are i don't know i i love dogs i love dogs and i don't want anything any harm to

come to them in any way shape or form but he just raped a woman in front of her boyfriend yeah threatened to kill him threw him into the fucking woods after he blew a man's brains out and does all this in front of children so if by the way if you thought that this dog was gonna make it that says more about you yeah that's what i mean i'm rooting for the goddamn dog don't worry and that's the thing when that happens in a story i actually consider not telling people that that happened but i'm like no that's what happened i'm not gonna you know what i mean we're talking about fucking horrible murder like we can all i don't want the dog to get hurt either that's horrible the dog and the kids i don't want

anything they're obviously what i'm you know anyway you just heard that he made eye contact with a man while he raped a woman how do you how how would you think that that dog is getting out of this with treats and belly rubs? That's what I'm saying. It's fucking terrible. By the way, he'll deny to the end that he killed the dog. Really? Deny it to the end. He says, I let it go.

I just let it go. I didn't care. What is that about him? That's everything else he'll fucking admit to, except he will not admit that he killed the dog. It's the craziest fucking thing in the world. Is that just does that make you so much more of an animal? That's his line. I guess that's his moral line where he goes.

You know what I mean? Like, it's all right to rape and pillage and kill and all that kind of thing. But killing dogs, Jesus Christ, that ain't sympathetic at all. All right. So he does this. He then warned Tracy that he would shoot her if she tried to escape. By the way, you saw what I did to a fucking adorable puppy right in front of two children. What do you think I'll do to you if you try to run away?

I think he did it to make it. Yeah. She hadn't seen him kill anybody. Think about that. Yeah. So she doesn't know. He had to make a display of this is how much of a cold motherfucker i am i will kill you like i just blew a dog's brains out in front of two

children so that's fucking crazy um he then continues driving on el oso mine road which i think i passed a sign for that at one point uh going out that direction it's probably any road out there i'm sure one of those you know was a mining road that's dead now goes to like a dead end when you're flying in you see those you're like where does that go oh nowhere okay he uh at the second stop here once he stops here he places a sleeping bag on the ground and decides he's gonna rape tracy again oh god you, with the kids and the, and the June bug there and everything.

This is a good idea for him. And he hurt her apparently bad this time by what she described as quote, pulling hard on her genitals, which why would you fucking, what are you, what is wrong with this fucking man? I mean, it's,

he's obviously a lot because of where, why he was there to begin with, but this is fucking horrible but why do you why do you pull on it i don't know just to cause more pain i'm not sure if he said well i'm not adequate enough in that department so i'll cause pain by doing this i don't know lord what his deal was here uh but he does that then he throws her back in the truck they keep driving just every once in a while he's like well i'll just do that um he then uh drives until stopping when the truck runs out of gas they literally drive till the truck runs dry of gas he then directs uh june bug and the children

to get the camping gear from the back of the truck he then takes tracy into the woods rapes her again for more jesus god this is i i i don't even have words for the shit i don't understand how he can physically do this number one that but number two crazy wow this is some richard ramirez level weird like weird grossness and liking pain. And it's just weird. Meanwhile, while all this is going on, Richard, who's been left hogtied, taped up in the woods, somehow managed to get his hands free and free himself from the bindings and run and get back to the Burnt Corral campground and report the incident to a DPS officer, Department of Public Safety officer. And say, don't give it to the host.

The guy's just, he'll just give him a ticket. He's like, here you go. Here's your ticket for disturbing this. You left some duct tape. That's called littering. We don't do that out here in the desert. We really, we like to keep it clean out here. You know what I mean?

Preserve it for the next generation. So you want to clean up that duct tape. Here's a $50 fine for that. He's he's like god damn it i'm trying to fucking tell you something so uh he does that uh so now they're hunting now they're looking they're driving around going through the mountains yeah going fuck there's a woman kidnapped out here there's children involved there's a beagle this is a lot to deal with so they're all going out there uh now while the the truck is running out of gas he's trying to fuck with the truck he's doing something and this is when tracy makes her escape because she's got the duct tape cut off she takes the fuck off into the desert just runs into the desert um and uh she will

later say that willis helped her escape that june bug helped her escape really gave her like a signal or distracted him in some way with something but she says that later on tells the court and tells everybody that june bug helped her get out of the situation which would have been great if she kept it from happening to begin with but right i don't know if that's possible with this guy if it's possible to keep anything from happening so perhaps she went along with it to save the kids lives you know what i mean well that's the thing yeah he could have said i'll kill you he said look at me i'm a cold callous killer he might have looked over at her kids like what do you think of that you go jesus okay i'll do whatever you want i mean trying to save your kids

lives so she runs away walks for 25 hours through the desert barefoot after that happened to her that's what i mean remember i said she showed up and that is what she went through and what she witnessed and what she happened to her and then she had to wander that wasn't even the wandering through the desert wasn't even the hard part you know what i mean like that was that was freedom for christ's sake that probably felt it's crazy um so searchers begin scouring the area and they spot an abandoned blue pickup truck in some dense vegetation. And the pace and justice, a pace and justice of the peace named Ron McDaniel and his tracking dog, Brute. Yeah.

Ended up picking up the scent from the truck and tracked it all the way through the desert to Gypsy's campsite four miles away. How disgusting was that truck that the dog can just follow it you know yeah the scent of them well plus they're following the scent of two kids uh june bug and him so there's a lot of scent to go around it's a lot of smell a lot of smell so they it's four miles through the desert they went away from the truck um they arrest uh gypsy and june bug and the two two children are taken away by the state which you always hate to see but now i'm like thank god jesus that's better than what's going on here so then that uh they get picked up this is before um they get picked up before she is even found actually yeah because

richard made it to dps so they ended up finding them while she's wandering through the desert Richard made it to DPS, so they ended up finding them while she's wandering through the desert. So that's the crazy thing here. She's taken to the sheriff's office by a motorist, and that's how she ends up doing that. They're apprehended without incident, Junebug and Gypsy. The police find the EMT badge and the.38 revolver, both at the campground, buried in the sand. Buried? He just buried it in the sand real quick that'll do it yeah it wasn't very deep because that's fucking hard you can't you can't

dig in more than four inches i mean you have to lay that gun very flat yeah otherwise it's rock hard dirt under there so uh february 5th 87 is like their official arrest and all that sort of thing. And they're facing. Let's see. He's facing first degree murder. Also, three counts of armed robbery, two counts of kidnapping, two counts of aggravated assault, two counts of sexual abuse and three counts of sexual assault. My God, he's got a lot. Oh, by the way, once it's found out that they arrest him, authorities in Sacramento, once they find out the truck he was using, they go, oh, no, we think he killed somebody here, too. Oh, Jesus.

This isn't the only one they don't think. They started searching the back roads. And for a man, they believe that he killed. Basically, there's a man, a friend of his who 24-year-old David Hercel, the previous month. He's the owner of the pickup truck that they used here, the blue pickup truck that they found out of gas. It's a stolen truck from this guy. A statement from the sheriff's department said that Willis, Gypsy, Junebug, and Hercel were all friends. And that one day in mid-january all three were at home

uh were at a home that that uh gypsy and june bug shared and quote comber and her cell left in the truck belonging to her cell later that evening comber returned in her cell's truck alone so they figured that uh pretty logical conclusion there yep So they end up searching the back roads, trying to find him in the dead in the woods somewhere in the wilderness somewhere. So he's got a lot going on here. They searched along Highway 50 from Sacramento to Placerville, Placerville. So now what ends up happening is Willis Junebug immediately says, I'll fucking testify against him in a heartbeat. I don't give a fuck. So she flips on him real quick.

She pleads guilty to one count of kidnapping in exchange for the testimony. That's her thing here. The other charges against her are all dropped, and she is sentenced to eight years in prison. So eight years, and Tracy does tell the authorities that she helped her escape. So that's nice. But she just got more time than he got for raping a child at knife point. Yep. I was just exactly where I was going with that.

Unbelievable. That's fucking wild, isn't it? That is crazy for her. And granted, she did make a horrible decision to go along with a guy. But perhaps she thought he's changed or I can change him or whatever. I can. Yeah. Or he won't kill a guy and then repeatedly rape a woman while hog tying her boyfriend and shooting a puppy. I mean, it's hard to imagine that's going to happen. All of this shit, like no matter even if you know the guy's a bad guy.

So the trial comes around in 88. This is the defense attorney. Steinle is his name. This is his first murder case. Great. A death penalty case, by the way, because they're going for the death penalty. No, you can't allow this shit to happen. You can't.

You can't. At some point, you've got to do your first one. But it can't be a death penalty case. Yeah, but you can't do 10 death penalty cases without doing one death penalty case. But he hasn't done any murders, period. Okay. Yeah, that's not good. Yeah, you need to do like a second degree, a manslaughter.

Let's work up to it. Work up to death penalty, man. Because the law there, too, it's all nuanced. It's very different. You need to be doing it. So he's no murders. He's like, yeah, some guy who fucking carjacked it's a he's no murders he's like yeah some guy who fucking carjacked somebody the week before now he's like oh boy the electric chair

shit so um unless this is what he got into this shit for you know what i mean yeah maybe that's what he's all about he says the lawyer says i don't make moral judgments a lot of people have a hard time understanding that but i got good training as a young lawyer so he says he's ready to go okay ready to do it now he gypsy wants the murder case and the tracy and richard case severed he doesn't want them tried together well because it's the same night man the weird part is about this whole shit is that he says he'll happily uh plead to the murder no problem there he'll he'll he'll even testify that he did it he's like i don't give a fuck i'll testify or he he'll say i'm sorry he doesn't say that he'll testify that he plead guilty but he says if they're severed, he'd like to testify in the murder

trial, but he won't testify in the other trial, in the sexual assault trial. That looks bad. Rape and dog killing and all that shit. He's been to prison. He knows how people are treated who have done sexual horrible things and animal cruelty.

Shit like that. There's honor amongst thieves. He knows yeah and he'd rather be treated like a hero in there as a murder or be feared in there as a murderer rather than exactly targeted as a fucking the monster that he is and have the court record of him answering all these questions and shit like that so um yeah he uh jesus christ they uh uh he wants it severed and uh you know they about everything. And they said the evidence clearly indicates murder on robbery offenses against Larry Pritchard and all the other ones against Tracy and Richard, the whole deal. And he they said that it has to be tried together because it was all part of a continuing effort to obtain money and supplies. Right.

It was all one fluid motion. supplies right it was all one fluid motion basically they said that they conclude that the charges are connected together in their commission and were part of a common scheme or plan and they were also you know they said this this is what the statute says so you're there and it's the only reason she got raped and and tied up and all this stuff is is because they all that you can't buy hotel rooms with fish and wire. And when that's all you get from your pilfering of that dead body, I hate to make it awful, but he depersonalized and dehumanized him already. You know what I mean? That's what I mean, yeah.

For it to be about money and to get nothing out of it, that's the reason that all this other shit happened. You can't separate it. Well, also, he'll say one of his defenses is i'm not guilty of robbery with him because he didn't have anything to fucking steal okay that's one of the things he says he had nothing to steal it was like but you tried to steal something whether he had something or not and you took his dog and his and his gun so pretty expensive very so um now uh willis ended up testifying that she was unwillingly ordered to accompany him with her children and was forced to participate in all of this.

And basically he threatened us was her is her testimony, because obviously they said, well, you were there. What did you do? And so there's as much as accomplices during the trial. He does not make an appearance. Gypsy wants no part of the trial much like richard ramirez he spent mitch ramirez a lot of the time didn't come to the trial he's didn't feel like it he doesn't want any part of this fucking trial he stays in the cell doesn't want to come to court so refuses so um do you babe do you uh richard testifies that um you know they came to their

camp posing as law enforcement agents kidnapped them they were uh he described how they were tied up and told they'd be shot to death and then tracy gets on the stand and said gives great detail about what happened to her which that's not going to look good for you there that's all yeah that looks real Talks about wandering barefoot through the desert and all this type of shit to get away from that. Looks bad. Then the prosecutor comes on and for the closing argument and he describes repeatedly refers to Comer as a monster and filth said that his crimes are analogous to a horror movie, which they are, and called him, quote, the reincarnation of the devil on Earth. So, well, he got pretty, pretty lofty with the language there. Yeah, he got biblical with that shit. So the prosecutor said, quote, Geneva Williams was never charged, is not charged in this case with homicide.

We could never prove or thought we could prove that Geneva Willis had anything to do with the homicide also, because that was one of the questions that he knew the jurors would have there. So anyway, finally here, he the prosecutor's statement also in his closing argument, he said that Pritchard was robbed immediately after he was killed and that he was robbed at the at at um at the campsite which are wrong because he went to his campsite to take it so there was a objection there it went back and forth a little bit with immediately how long is immediately who fucking cares after all the rape shit no one cares about immediately or five minutes later or any of that shit but he was trying to say it's not part of the same act so you shouldn't kill me so the verdict comes in five hours of deliberation for this which

i don't know how it would take that long for this but uh five hours and uh they say guilty of everything one count of first degree murder three counts of armed robbery two counts of kidnapping two counts of aggravated assault three counts of sexual abuse, two counts of kidnapping, two counts of aggravated assault, three counts of sexual abuse and two counts of sexual assault. Jesus. It's a lot. Somehow that doesn't even tell the story. No. With all those charges, it does not say how much of a fucking death deserving piece of shit this guy is.

It doesn't describe the depravity of this at all. You know what I mean? at all you know what i mean so the reaction here a little bit um the uh uh she the victim tracy said that she would judge uh trust in the judge to give a fair sentence adding quote i'm not averse to the death penalty if you'd like to kill this asshole i'm on board you know what i mean that's what she says can you grab a hold of his cock while you do it and just pull real hard yeah pull it down like it's like one of those eye washing things in science class in 10th grade you know what i mean just yank on that shame flood the whole room one of those like your eyes are burning with acid and you can't wait for the you know just cold refreshment of clean water pull it

i flooded the entire second floor once did you that? That was hilarious. Yeah, we didn't know it would do that. We thought it would go and you could stop it, but you pull it and it just dumps like a thousand gallons of water out. There's nothing you can do. That's the idea. And the fucking classroom, it didn't have a drain. It was just a classroom that had it with no fucking drain. So it just poured out through the halls, down the stairs.

It was a mess. It was a disaster. I think they had to take us- Sounds to me like the engineer's fault, not yours. That's what I'm saying. It was a mess. It was a disaster. I think they have to take us. Sounds to me like the engineer's fault, not yours. That's what I'm saying. Put a drain there. How did I think this is going to continue for four minutes of straight water coming down with no drainage possible?

How was I to know that? How do you, A, not have a drain, but B, if you've got an on switch, where the fuck is off? That's the other thing. How do I turn it off? It's supposed to be so you can keep it on and just keep washing your eyes out, obviously, but it would help to have a drain if you're going to do that. Not just a linoleum classroom floor that leads out into a second floor hallway.

If you've got nowhere for it to go, at least tell me how to stop it. Yeah, something. So he's found guilty. He's going to be sentenced soon. While he's in prison awaiting sentencing, he's caught in prison with just a huge shank, just a giant fucking blade as he gets caught a lot. They found him. What is this?

They found an eight-inch long ice pick-like knife inside a canister of baby powder during a cell shakedown. That's not where those go. Whoa. That's a big knife. That's a big knife that's a big knife why is he allowed that much baby powder to have something that can hold eight inches that's a big fucking bottle like a full-size bottle of baby powder i guess it's cheaper to buy that way i suppose

you had a costco size i guess i mean they should implement like tsa rules i suppose a little little ounces at a time babe that's it um so he's charged with promoting jail contraband which uh that carries a 14-year prison term and the the public defender said that he should be acquitted of this charge because there's insufficient evidence that he even knew the knife was in the canister he could have bought it from walgreens like that for all he knows yeah yeah you know so uh during a brief johnson did bad shit with their aspirin we don't know how we don't know what we don't know what they're doing with their baby powder generally jail rule is anything in your cell you put there so that's it that's that's yours now uh you should have searched it before you went in there so you

don't want to get in trouble for it that's like their rules so uh yeah he waived his right to attend a trial saying he'd prefer to remain in his cell on this charge. He said he told the deputies and his lawyer, quote, send a bus when they're ready to take me to prison. That's what he said. I'll be in my fucking cell. I'm not interested in being out there. So they thought about not charging him with the knife. Actually, they thought about just letting it go because he's got all this other shit.

He just found guilty of, like, you know, all worst crimes you can find he has a full house of horrible crimes yeah he said humanity crimes fuck your fuck your contraband crimes yeah fuck that uh he um he said that they decided to prosecute for just in case the other charges all got reversed on appeal or something they'd have a something to keep him in jail, a conviction of some kind. So the sentencing comes around here. He waives his presence to be at the mitigation-aggravation hearing, basically. Doesn't want to be there, whether he should be sentenced to life or death here. He did not want to appear uh for any of this shit

he didn't want to also appear for the pronouncement of his sentence he said i don't want to be there arizona law though requires that that is the one time you have to fucking be there is for pronouncement of sentence whether you want to be there or not tough shit so how did they get him there well uh he refused to voluntarily attend so he barricaded his cell door with a mattress and threatened jail staff with a 10-inch shank. He's got another. He's got another. Oh, he's always got shanks. And it's bigger.

Oh, it's much bigger. Hey, realize this. I need a bigger one. Jail corrections officers, in order to extract him, they sprayed him with pressure with a fire hose with 150 pound water pressure on it. Oh, God, that'll cut your skin, man. It'll fuck you up. It'll break your ribs.

Jesus. Even while being sprayed with the fire hose, he was still fought back and still was trying to stab them, even though, yeah, he was fighting through the fire hose. That's how fucking, you know, on when he was. firehose that's how fucking you know on one he was so uh jesus christ a prison doctor a day later said that he was present that day when he refused to come out of his cell and it was clear to the doctor that comer was willing and able to do serious bodily harm to anyone who came within his reach he's swinging a 10 foot shank our tenant shank i think that's goes without saying he considered it one is bigger yeah 10 foot would

be really dangerous holy shit yeah you could use it as a jazz a fucking as a pole vault yeah he's gonna pole vault right over the wall with that thing that's why he's got it um they said that uh uh the doctor described it as a potentially lethal situation to everybody and they said that it was hand he said it was handled in a very humane matter with no one getting hurt which i mean he got hurt but i don't know how else you'd do that so anyway after they disarmed him they bring him to the sentencing courtroom fucking strapped to a wheelchair really strapped to a wheelchair his head slumped to one side, completely naked except for a blanket covering his lap. Because they just dragged him out of the cell. And he's got a big cut on his forehead.

So he's bleeding with just a blanket strapped to a fucking wheelchair. And that's how they're going to sentence him. At the judge's request, a medical doctor checked him over first. Like, I can't pronounce the sentence on this guy until I realize if he's conscious or not to see if he was conscious and aware the doctor thought he was competent and conscious through all the proceedings so um yeah they said the evidence clearly demonstrated that the murder was motivated by his obtain need to obtain money and supplies he was out of money when he met pritchard and he lured him in to kill him um all this type of shit they said the murder was committed with the uh expectation that the that he'd find gas money and other supplies and all

that sort of shit and um you know everything like that um now they get to uh they get to all of this and uh the sentencing comes down yeah i'm gonna give you a guess how this works here um they uh they find him you sir may fuck off death penalty for him oh boy yeah they sentence him to death um there's they find no mitigating circumstances and a shitload of aggravating circumstances so death sentence for him and we'll say it again because we have we haven't had a lot of death penalty cases lately is that neither of us love the death penalty right we don't we don't like it because they fuck it up a lot we a lot of there's a lot of errors made a lot of errors made a lot of time just came out this one case that somebody was sending us where the guy was executed like five

years ago and they just had dna clearing him so it's like granted he may be guilty and some other stuff but what he was executed for he was not that yes and that's a fucking problem that's a problem so that's bad shit we don't like that people like this guy and we don't want it if it's anything like any question whether they did it or not or things like that someone like this who clearly did it everybody saw him do it they did it or not or things like that. Someone like this who clearly did it, everybody saw him do it. He did it in a knowing, depraved, horrible way. And if you let him out, he'll do it more. He'll definitely do it more.

Like all this type of shit. Obviously, I don't trust the state to do it really. But if you asked me, I will happily, you know, hog tie him to my bumper and drive a fucking couple hundred miles you know what i'm saying like yeah fuck this guy in his ass number one but number two we don't want the state is not good at this they're just not they're not good at figuring this shit out which is weird yeah because people who love the death penalty the most are the people who trust the state the least which is the weirdest fucking thing i've ever great point it's the strangest cross-section of people that i don't understand it there they

trust them to do that and only that nothing else though whatever but it's true so i'm sure we've pissed people off and i don't really fucking care because that's a good point and even if you believe in those two things you know you went huh that is weird just for half a second so don't be mad at me for pointing it out so um yeah he contends that the murder was kill was committed uh like we said all that so he does say as well here now we're going to get into the uh shoe syndrome okay they talk about the shoe syndrome uh here the shu syndrome. We'll talk about this briefly. They say, I gave you a little bit of it with the lack of exercise, the soiled cells. It found double-selling in conjunction with other conditions and units and gendered violence, tension, and psychiatric problems. the arbitrariness with with which the inmates were sentenced to these units with along with the lengths and conditions and the absence of procedural safeguards to debilitated physical

and psychological well-being of inmates this is what he tried to have as his like mitigator was i'm i have shoe syndrome so um they said that uh uh they talked about fulsome shoe a lot which he hasn't been in a while uh but they said that they said that the lighting was so dim it made reading and writing difficult, if not impossible. The noise level substantially exceeded standards set for prisons and filled the units day and night with a, quote, unrelenting, nerve-wracking din. So blaring televisions, radios, inmates shouting to one another and clanging cell doors. You know, like a bunch of men living together with no fucking doors. With no doors and nothing to do. An unceasing racket exerted a profound impact on locked up inmates,

some of whom considered it the single worst aspect of their confinement and contributed to difficulty sleeping and adversely affected their mental health is what he's saying. So, yeah, he's doing all of that. He saw they talk about the abhorrent conditions, the violence between cellmates as well. If you put people in, you know, shoe together, they said that the shower facilities were revolting due to accumulated filth, clogged drains and standing water. Sanitation, they basically said, was absolutely disgusting.

The gutters were full. Active infestation of rats, roaches, and flies. Pools of standing water. Poor ventilation. Exposed electrical wires. Unsanitary, no, food preparation services. Dried food residue on the food prep equipment. I think getting a c

on your board of health exam is probably the least of anybody's fucking concerns at this point um greasy slippery floors as well god it's fucking gross um so anyway uh they do all of this and they say uh they talk to him about some of this shit and we'll bring it up later because it's going to come up in this appeal here. When he's being sentenced, they ask him repeatedly, do you have anything to say to you to us? And he said, no.

He said, at one point, the trial judge, this is amazing. He says, the prison doctor that Comer was quote in front of the judge. Comer responded. I know when the judge trial judge asked Comer, I know you don't want to be here today. Is that right? Comer was quote in front of the judge Comer responded I know when the judge trial judge

asked Comer I know you don't want to be here today is that right Comer responded we made it through huh and the judge responded I guess we did but I'll tell you and then Comer interject interjected and said quote with a little help from my friends man so he's just singing Joe Cocker songs while he's being sentenced to death we made it through through, huh? A little help from my friends. They said, you know, they told him all this shit. I found that fucking hilarious. So he also said, wait, before you sentence me, are you going to sentence me for the piece, too, the tool? The shank they got him with the week before.

And he said, you'll get into that later. This is about death penalty here. So 91 he appeals. He's so casual james he's the most casual guy about all this shit wait till you hear the rest of this shit wow 91 he appeals and uh obviously nothing happens there denied fuck off back to prison 1994 a movie is made about this what called terror in the night no is the name of it it stars justine bateman really yeah i assume is she tracy i assume she's probably uh june bug really i'm thinking yeah it just seems like that uh age-wise it seems like she'd be more appropriate for june bug than

19 she's not gonna play 19 in 1994 no no so um yeah it's it's like a it's like a real movie it's fucking crazy um joe penny stars in it as as uh comer it's fucking gross man so uh yeah they made this movie it has a 5 out of 10 stars on imdb so it's not bad looks very mediocre it looks like just a b straight to video b movie this This is what it was. It's got a picture. I mean, I've seen good movies that got lower. That's true here. I'll show you the picture on the box here. All right.

What does this say? Wow. That's a nice. I want. Oh, bro. I want that. I want that movie poster. It's got like a young blonde girl running in the woods and looks like a scummy man is

overseeing the whole situation. Way too handsome, though, that guy. Yeah. Either way. But even still, that's a nicer poster than most of the Kirk Cameron movies posters that I've ever seen. Yeah, absolutely. So it's 1998. The trial court, the state court denies his petition on the grounds that his claims were procedurally precluded here.

So they deny him reviews of things that year. Now let's talk about his prison conduct because it's wild yeah he uh talking about the the uh unity's in now in arizona it's smu2 he says quote yeah i mean smu2 is still not paradise but god you start comparing to fulsome you compare it just to smu1, there's a big difference. But SMU1 was never anywhere close to being what Folsom was. But we're talking about what? 23 years ago was Folsom. We're talking SMU1 was 15 years ago. And then we're talking SMU2. I've been there for what, six, seven years. And hell, I could tell you differences just two years ago how much conditions have changed in our prison for all of us over here. It's gotten better from just two years ago how much conditions have changed in our prison for all of us over here.

It's gotten better from just two years ago. Not a big major change like a big major change between Folsom and today, but you can see it. So he's saying things are getting better while his lawyers are like, shut up. We're trying to say that you can't be executed because you're mistreated so badly. A review of his behavior over the first 13 years he's in prison here he is uh cited 43 times for violations approximately a dozen of those violations are for possession and manufacture of weapons always shanks and knives so that's what he's doing he's a target they fucking hate him in there well actually he ends up getting a lot of friends in there, as we'll talk about.

It's very weird. At least two occasions, he set fires in his cell. Okay. Can't do that. And he had several violations for destruction of property or tampering with equipment. On one occasion, he was involved in an actual attempted assault on another inmate that they've caught him doing. Anyway, he developed a reputation as being one of their most highest security risk and most dangerous people that they have. All of his weapons would be the one that makes it the worst.

He says that the extra security precautions are warranted in his case. And he takes some enjoyment in persistently attempting to succeed in circumventing the security and interventions. He says it's a game it's a game to him he says quote i'm not hannibal lecter but i'm not that far away from being him either under the right circumstances know what i mean how does he know about hannibal lecter it's 2000 yeah but how does he know he shouldn't get to know that he must have seen the commercials man he shouldn't know shit about anything out here. We watch the Oscars every goddamn year, and I'll tell you what, Jodie Foster got robbed. I'm just going to tell you that right now.

She might have won, I'm not sure, but either way. They get movie night in there, and they get to watch that shit. Yeah, right. No, don't let them watch that shit. So he's got a couple psychiatrists that are going to talk to him. One is Dr. Kruper. And Dr. Kruper, he feels that he has a symptom of a mental disorder.

That's why he keeps making shanks. He says doing so gives the DOC a rationale for requiring he live in an ever more restrictive condition and the extremity of his conditions of confinement in turn exacerbate the mental disorder that's reflected so basically he's chewing on a canker sore is what they're saying he's doing um he psychologically compelled behaviors to wit shank manufacturing and threatening staff prevent him from gaining even modest improvements in his actual conditions of confinement based on his own willful and violent actions it's difficult to see how the state acted improperly in placing him in maximum confinement, and more importantly, how his conditions of confinement have improperly coerced him into waiving his appeal. Okay, now, they talk

about it being harsh, but not as harsh as Folsom and all that sort of shit. He said, if you took my cell right now and cut it in half, it would still be bigger than our cells at Folsom. And at Folsom, we had two people sitting in there. so very small as we described it he um goes through all this shit what he ends up doing the psychiatrist defines his conditions of confinement in the context of what he and his fellow inmate had them doing uh now he makes a friend here he makes a friend on death row got a little and it's one of the worst people who's ever lived a guy named robert wayne vickers known as bonsai bob um he actually is such a legend that one of the prison books i read they were talking about what a legend he was like everyone knows who he

is in the whole prison system because he's on death row in arizona he's a murderer oh he's a he didn't come into jail a murderer. No? I'll tell you all about Bonsai Bob in a minute. Wow. It's fucking crazy. So anyway, they go on all this shit. This guy's trying to say that Gypsy has mental disorders and all this sort of shit, basically, and he shouldn't be executed. but uh him gypsy himself says bullshit because he says at one point he said that uh uh he said quote uh he said that uh one point he said he kept checking his watch so he said uh why don't

you just go and he left he was worried about whether he was going to make his flight so he's like he just was distracted and didn't care the whole time is what he was saying. Now, Bonsai Bob and he were on death row together in cell block six, okay, in Florence, Arizona. They were placed in SMU-1 after that, after a few months, because of their disciplinary infractions. He got kicked off a death row, basically, for being too much of an asshole,

including making weapons and assaulting other inmates and staff. He found a partner that's just as sick as him now to help holy shit he uh he reported that uh he's he's put into different restraints they're talking about which is great this sounds crazy he reported on one occasion comer while housed in smu1 he was subjected to inverted four-point restraints he was placed in a four-point restraint, shackled in hands and feet, to a stiff board and then inverted with his feet above his head at a 45-degree angle facing downward for several hours. Dry waterboarding. Exactly. Thank you.

So let's talk about Banzai Bob here. Yeah. He entered the system. Arizona Action Bronson. Action, yes. There he is. Fucking Jail Rambo himself here. He came in the system in 1977 as a teenager after committing 12 burglaries in 13 days in Tempe. That's one a day. Prolific burglar. He later admitted to 33 more burglaries in California. Okay. He's a burglar. His first murder, though, was of an inmate. No, not a murderer before that.

Frank Posiano, who he sought out as his cellmate because this guy had a TV. At one point, he wanted to be cellmates with a guy with a TV. At one point, he was angered that Frank didn't wake him up for lunch and drank his Kool-Aid, so he strangled him and stabbed him multiple times with a sharpened toothbrush and then carved the word bonsai in his back. And that's how he got it. That's how he became Bonsai Bob. He also...

For not waking him up on time. And drinking his Kool-aid right when the guard came he said this guy's dead and the guard didn't believe it so he put a fucking cigarette out on the cellmate to show that he was dead and said get this stinking fuck out of my cell that's what he said uh later he told told, this is Banzai Bob, told prison psychologists that he regretted only one thing about the attack, that he didn't have enough time to carve a swastika and dot the I on Banzai. Oh, okay. So Banzai. He didn't have time.

Yeah. Just a capital. Just a capital and no swastika. I like to put a swastika on. This is like a signature. You know how that is. put a swastika on. This is like a signature.

You know how that is. Vickers, he had a bonsai bob and a knack for creating makeshift knives and bombs, which he used to attack more than 11 prison guards. Bombs? Bombs he made in jail. He also once escaped from death row. I said that right. Escaped from death row and climbed atop the roof of cell block six through a shaft with another inmate guess what inmate that was yes exactly our god bonsai bob managed to short circuit the electronic locking

mechanism on his cell door holy shit and gypsies his cellmate no No, next door. And left a dummy in his bed. Wow. Like fucking Alcatraz. Yeah. Once atop the compound, they realized they had no place to go, though. They were just on top of a building. Shit, we're on the roof. Fuck, now what? Yeah, and the outside fence was too far away, and it was too high up to jump to the ground.

So they were like, fuck, never mind. Does he think the prison's underground and they were going up to street level? Yeah, we're going to get right on the sidewalk. So to gain attention, they did a strip tease for the female tower guard that was up there. Holy shit. That's how they decided to show that they were caught. Then officers rushed to the roof and beat the shit out of them, obviously, and all that. Around 6.30 p.m. on March 4th, 1982,

he's on death row, he is, Banzai Bob. He's out of his cell, allegedly doing his cleanup chores. Instead, he paid a visit to a Wilmar Buster Halzinger, another inmate. Banzai was so pissed off at him for an earlier remark he made about Vicker's niece. I guess he might have said she was hot or something so uh bonsai had built a fire bomb from hair gel and an ice cream carton and he used it to torch holzinger in his cell holy hell man um why are they giving him flammable hair

gel there's got to be alcohol and hair gel i guess guess. When a guard asked Banzai Bob if Holsinger was dead, Vickers responded, quote, he should be, he's on fire. I mean, I would hope so. I tried to kill him. He's on fire? Yeah, it was a flash fire, and the guy died as a result of tracheobronchial burns. So that happened.

The attack also nearly killed a half dozen other inmates as the smoke inhalation and that forced everybody, the officials and everything to evacuate death row. My God. Afterwards, Banzai Bob asked investigators, quote, Did I do a good job? I told them they should have gassed me in December when they had the chance because he was saying they should have killed me when my execution date was up so at that point uh he demanded the death penalty he wrote a letter to the governor where he wrote quote so what's the hold up fella hey Terry Goddard let's chat let's do it if you don't do it soon it was Bruce Babbitt who I think was indicted at one point

if you don't do it soon I'm going to Babbitt, who I think was indicted at one point. If you don't do it soon, I'm going to draw more blood than your cheap mops can absorb. I'm a very impatient person. I never did like waiting. I've got a date with the devil's wife. I've got a date with the devil's wife, he says.

I'm going to take his role. Holy shit. So, that's who his partner is in jail. A guy willing to fuck the devil willing to uh fuck the devil's wife fuck the devil's wife and set people on fire in prison so he uh gypsy says quote from day one when i got to cbc six the cell block there we were nothing but a problem together obviously he said that uh gypsy said how he and bonsai bob for recreation used to spend our time trying to circumvent security all these years he said that uh as an

inmate you don't have to have self-control because there's no rules for convicts in prison none at all there's no rules for inmates what the fuck are they going to do we're already here uh he said that uh he related how he and bonsai bob cut through the chain link so that they could go wherever the hell they wanted to go in cb6 and that what we were and that's what we were doing they also made shanks that were like ice picks that go right through corrections officers vests that's the one he found in the powder it was an ice pick like one and they went after quote a black guy who killed a white aryan brotherhood prisoner and almost got and quote almost got the guy before they were caught so um yeah he talks all about freely says everything he's done this is unbelievable that

that it exists james there's no reason this should exist that's the thing it's it's it's fucking nuts he also explained that he made shanks for his protection and to engage in aggressive action in prison when it suited him. He's like, well, I want to stay. I won protection, too. I might want to stab a motherfucker. That's literally why they did it. He told the court, quote, You've got to understand if something hurts you in prison, you're totally free to go to any extent of violence that you wish to. And nobody can stop that, he said. And there's no one to watch his back in prison and there's no rules for convicts he said making shanks i need one the last one i made was on the

anniversary of bonsai's execution and you remember i used to call it murder uh bonsai was executed i felt i had to avenge it so in 1999 bonsai bob. And he says that, but then after this, his activity slows way down. He just calms the fuck down completely. So Banzai and him were just agitating for each other. Oh, man. Just fed off each other to make things awful. Abso-fucking-lutely. They were just terrible people to have together.

He said that it was his choice. He said, quote, I didn't hear any of the DOC officers come in there and tell me to make any shank. That was me. I made it myself. That was my choice. I made the same choice not to make them anymore if I wanted to. So that's what he's doing here. He says that this was from when his psychiatrist, Dr. Coopers, said that when Comer arrived in Folsom, there were six stabbings that week, and he began to make shanks in self-defense. Now, yeah, he's executed in 99. Bonsai Bob. Last meal, by the way, two green chili burritos, French fries with ketchup, vanilla ice cream, cream soda, and one cigarette.

Not bad. Yeah, that's what he did. Pretty good. Yeah. Listen, Southern Arizona, green chili burros, you can't fuck with those. Those are solid. That's pretty good pretty good yeah not green and listen southern arizona uh green chili burros you can't fuck with those those are solid that's a good choice i don't like green chilies not in it i don't know it i'll take a carne asada burrito any day but keep those fucking chilies away from me so uh what's his name here uh gypsy talks about bonsai bob and he says quote he was not just a

friend he was my brother we spilled blood together we kept each other going we watched each other's backs survive day to day everybody knew if they messed with one of us they had to take a take out both of us you don't find that in prison i would give my life for him as he would for me we shared loyalty honor tribe brotherhood friendship and kinship yeah so that's his eulogy of his buddy there he starts to chill out after that though he really does a lot of it he does 300 laps around his cell make a mile he said so he keeps track of that he measured it yeah he measures it he tries to do about 20 miles a day he says oh holy shit i don't know if he gets to that but that's what he's trying to do that's

6 000 laps i don't think you have time to do that okay you know what i mean i don't know if he gets to that but that's what he's trying to do that's 6 000 laps i don't think you have time to do that okay you know what i mean i don't think you'd have time um he has four teardrop tattoos now by the way okay up from two at an earlier time he cut his hair short clean shaven polite with strangers they say he's even got a girlfriend now oh my god this guy i'll call, you know what? You can find someone. You can. I'm saying this, especially guys.

You can find someone. This guy is in prison. He raped a child, killed a man, raped a woman, and killed a puppy, and he found a woman who will fuck him. Think about that. How? I mean, dude, that's a lot you know if he can find that you and he she can't even fuck him like if he can find that imagine what you could find if you're a free person honestly come on man get it together guys um it's a she's a nurse named amy young who visits once a week you can get so much better amy

come on amy jesus christ so 1998 he's got a habeas deal here we'll talk about that uh they said that uh comer claims that the trial court failed to sever the charges which we talked about they failed to sever the counts violated his constitutional right to testify because he would have testified on the one but not the other. So putting them together means he couldn't testify at all. He also called for prosecutorial misconduct during the closing argument, deprived him of a fair trial, calling him the devil on earth and a monster and filth and all that stuff, he says. He also says that they wouldn't let his attorney strike two jurors that they wanted to strike. So he says his due process was violated here, there. The severance claims, he says, they should not have been joined like we talked about.

He also complains about being sentenced in shackles because he was shackled to a wheelchair. being sentenced in shackles because he was shackled to a wheelchair he said that he was beaten and tattooed and that certainly increased the perception of his dangerousness because he was so fucked up if he had been sentenced before a jury these circumstances would have given rise to a prejudice but they said he was sentenced by a judge so who fucking cares the judge knows him knows about him and shouldn't be affected by things like appearance. So the anyway, they said the dehumanizing effect was compounded by the fact that the final sentencing hearing was one of the few times that the judge had seen Comer. Well, he he could have come any time. He chose not to go there.

So, I mean, I don't know how that's the judge's fault at that point. They said, furthermore, the appearance of this naked, bleeding, shackled man was a severe affront to the dignity and decorum of the judicial proceedings. This is the appeals court saying this. Really? We have never before read of a man being sentenced to death or even presented to a court under such circumstances. Well, believe it. Yeah.

Even inmates in solitary confinement have a dignitary interest in being clothed. Clothes are, even if it's the prison uniform, naked with a blanket thrown over your cock isn't okay. Hide your nipples and dick, and we'll talk about the death. Exactly. But they said the sentencing of Comer without such dignity or decorum is unacceptable, but it's not enough to overturn a sentence. It's just like, hey, don't do that anymore.

Well, the next time this happens, put a shirt well the next time this happens put a shirt on the guy yeah slap a shirt on him please so it's after this that he goes you know what fuck this i withdraw my appeal kill me i want to die really kill me now he's done he's done uh threesome with the devil's wife oh me bonza bob we're gonna give her an eiffel tower like you never believed before we call it the devil's eiffel tower right there right red ass oh it's gonna be good so he writes a letter to the court where he stated quote everybody listen up real good now and pay attention so the second half of this evaluation can proceed without hitches and not be drawn out for the next 10 years he says that uh he the warning that quote he will live off only inmate store until his execution date so only

the commissary items he won't eat the food given to him right he said so if i become not competent because of all this bullshit a doc has put me through oh well and then he says uh that he's not going to back down or give up and working to pull this appeal if it takes three more months or 20 years so um he even said at january 2002 he thanked pete eckerstrom for sending him a christmas card this was an attorney and noted that the uh absence he basically said there's no chance of me being released he said quote you guys can't help me. I'm way past helping. You put down a hurt sick dog. I want to be

I want to be to have the same consideration. I know how you feel, Peter. I do. I've told you before. I'm probably more anti death penalty than you'll ever be. If there was any way to make me right. Dang, Pete, I try it, but there isn't. So then he tells a judge he really wants it

withdrawn he said quote a couple years ago i'd have chopped your head off just for looking crossways at me a judge he says this to for no reason at all i'm still the same guy i was back then but a lot of things have meaning for me now like my victims it's just time to end it so same hood same number it's all good it's all good yeah he's basically saying that it's not like now i have remorse so i shouldn't be put to death he goes now i have remorse and i know i should be killed because i i feel remorseful for it is his that's his you know thing that he's saying to the judge anyway he talks about he has a competency hearing and he said quote this is my life i made the decision to pull my appeals he says remember

i stuck a gun in the guy's ear and pulled the trigger and scrambled his brains right you sentenced me to die you have the right that right in this state i don't see what the big problem is i don't what the fuck are we doing yeah he also said quote i killed larry pritchard stuck a gun in his ear and pulled the trigger he's dead an eye for an eye i mean i ended a whole bunch of innocent people's lives and changed their lives forever even though they're still alive their lives are destroyed i owe that to them i owe it to myself man i was totally wrong i don't know i was totally oh to myself man jesus i'm free bird i just start singing free bird in court i know what everybody i don't know what everybody's so

scared about death is not that damn bad oh boy get it the fuck on he's saying jesus christ so they go into all these hearings and evidentiary hearings because they have to go oh my god they have to go through all this stuff here obviously because we have to make sure yeah killing a person and you know the right way they talk about his competency to waive this or not they're like is he competent mentally to waive his right to keep appealing here so the dr cooper says that he's not he's got major depressive disorder he's got shoe syndrome he's got all this stuff going on. He even says, and this is what I don't understand. He puts, and I'm not saying that being in Folsom didn't cause, Folsom caused a lot of shit. But he's saying he basically, he was a good guy until he went into Folsom.

It's like he went to Folsom for raping a child at knife point. That was a good guy. So not a good guy ever there is what that says there, at least not at that point here. So he also talks about that. He has a major. He had a major depressive disorder about after Banzai Bob was killed and all this. Oh, come on now. Now, the other doctor, Dr. Johnson, who spent a lot more time with him and also who has done this before in terms of shoe syndrome and all this type of shit.

This doctor says he's fucking fine. He had an apparent depressive episode when, you know, that was fine. But then he recovered from it. They said at one point he lost a whole lot of weight. But that wasn't because he had a depressive episode. It's because he wasn't pleased with the discipline imposed upon him for infractions. And he's a vegetarian. So he lost his commissary privileges, and he was mad about that. So he stopped eating completely, and he chose not to eat any portion of the meal trays, including the non-meat items. did not yield to his threat that he would starve himself if they didn't make an exception to its vegetarian meal policy so eventually after the sanction expired he began eating again and he started doing that and he gained his weight back so like he was just protesting that's not a mental

disorder that's a protest it's different now he's not basically they're trying to say he's not competent he's like no and the psychiatrist is saying no he's very competent he's not stupid they're saying like he's totally no doesn't know what's going on. It basically is what his lawyers are saying. And he's saying, actually, I do. And the court finds that writing for him like he would journal and he'd letter write letters to people. And they said that he would write that he's frustrated or he's aggravated. He'd write down his feelings.

He knows what's going on. would write that he's frustrated or he's aggravated. He'd write down his feelings. He knows what's going on. They said that he demonstrates he does have an in-depth understanding, particularly his writing in regard to reviewing different parts of his of the last year of activity. He wrote, quote, If we did this all over, started today and started all over with everything I've been taught this last couple of years, I would not have done something like that, meaning appeal the death penalty.

He says, You see how i've evolved to that when i tell you that that i didn't ever that i didn't never appeal it i have never i'll tell you right now i have never appealed it but see that's joint talk so he even knows that i'm just talking i'm i'm some other i'm just another prisoner talking jail shit is what he says and And he says evolved. If you know the word evolved, you're know what you're, you're competent. You know what I mean? You've read a book.

You've read a book. You're not an idiot. You're not like, Oh, he's got a fourth grade education. He was one badge away from being an Eagle scout as a child. Is that right? He was,

he, that's how high he went in the boy scout. So he's done things. He knows how to do things. He said that he didn't want to see the attorney, Mr. Eckerstrom back in 97. He said, Amy asked me to go see him. So he did it things. He knows how to do things. He said that he didn't want to see the attorney, Mr. Eckerstrom, back in 97. He said, Amy asked me to go see him.

So he did it for his girlfriend. He said, I went and seen and I seen him. I thought about it. OK, I'll go see him. So whatever I signed for them, I signed for them. I don't deny signing anything. I don't deny that we ever had an attorney visit. I don't deny that I signed paperwork that said continue with my appeals.

I don't deny any of that. I'm just telling you, I, in my heart, have not appealed this. I've never appealed any of this. And he said that it's his wish to be able to decide what to do with his own life. And that would be to do this. And he also brought up a bunch of other prison talk. And he brought up a bunch of conspiracies. He thought there was conspiracies.

He brought up the word Zog a lot what which is prison for zionist occupational government oh which is aryan brotherhood talk for that's what they use for conspiracy they use that instead i thought he was talking some alien shit yeah right he's oh jesus christ wait till zog gets here you wait till zog comes down from pizza planet and it's going to be on. Was that Zerg? Zerg it was, yeah. Zerg, whatever, same shit. So they said that they're talking about him.

They say to him, this is in court, you've heard and we've talked about a lot that could happen in your habeas is considered by the appellate courts. And I think you've said you believe from everything you've been told and everything that you've read you have good prospects for new sentencing based on dragging him into court and fucking you know shackles and all that shit and he says yes ma'am so she says so that would mean if you got a new uh another sentencing you understand that you might not get the death penalty and he said yes ma'am and she said you might even get a new trial. And he said, yes.

And they said, you could have you could have a not guilty verdict in your favor and you'd be out on the street. Right. And he said, no. And the attorney said, why not? And he said, I wouldn't pull all the people through another trial. I just go up there and plead guilty. There's no sense to it. That's what I mean.

I've already been lawfully convicted. So they said, you understand that if the government were to try this case 13 years later, by this time, the decision's made. And if it was made in your favor, there'd be an enormous amount of delay in the proceedings before they tried you. He said, it could be. Yes, ma'am. They said, you understand that memories fade over that long time. It's like, you'd have a better chance at trial. And he said, yes, ma'am. They said it's often harder for the government to prove their case. And she said the second time and the evidence could be destroyed.

A witnesses could disappear or die. And he said, yes. And those witnesses who are vital in your trial and you remember your trial. And he says, yes, they might not be around. He said, that's quite possible. They said, so with that possibility that you could not even get a guilty verdict and you'd be out on the street and he said quote he interrupted and he said i'll never be on the street i got 300 years by the way he got death plus 339 years oh my god 339 years plus death it's so i mean he's i get it it's yeah it's a big hill to climb he said i got 300 years

300 some odd years on top of that on top of that with my values now wouldn't i wouldn't put all the people through another trial he said so he said everything's little he said that's what i mean there's no sense to it uh everything's like little procedural errors it doesn't come down to whether i did it or not what kc skull called me a monster which is the prosecutor right and they said and he said i figure i'd have just as good a chance as i did the first time uh maybe even a little bit better of getting the death penalty so uh yeah he goes on all that shit and uh he's chilled out a lot they all said 2001, he hadn't been disciplined once in jail. Really? Not once.

He went from 43 in 13 years to zero in five years. What happened in that interim? His buddy died. That's it. His buddy died. That's it. Guards, psychiatrists, psychologists, lawyers, and even he says he's matured, mellowed, and become more thoughtful during his prison time, especially after his best friend Banzai Bob died.

Yeah. So Jesus Christ, 2006 comes around. He's still trying to get this going. Right. So they had ruled in his favor that they can stop the habeas thing and kill him. Basically, they ruled in his favor. 2006, a federal appeals court overturned it. They overturned the death sentence, and they overturned his death sentence, basically. So, yeah, they talk about this.

He asked the Ninth U.S. Circuit, it's the last one before the Supreme Court, the U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco, to overturn a lower court ruling denying his appeal that he changed his mind. The appeals court ruling said that he was competent to waive his appeals. But the majority on this three-judge panel held that the court would be remiss in its duty if it did not provide an appellate review of the claims that the lower court had rejected. Jesus Christ. So finally, March 15, 2007, now he's good to go. with a repellent review of the claims that the lower court had rejected. Jesus Christ. So finally, March 15, 2007, now he's good to go.

Finally granted this whole thing. Federal Appeals Court grants the request here. It was a 14-1 ruling, by the way, on the judges. The Court of Appeals said that they could end the long odyssey of appeals and be executed finally. Yeah, they said that in dissent, they said that they stood be the one dissenter said they stood behind the original panel saying all of this shit. And Arizona Attorney General Terry Goddard declined to comment, saying, I'm not a part of this decision. So the fuck are you asking me for, basically, which is smart. Yeah. So anyway, he goes on may 22nd 2007 is execution day

okay uh execution day here he will be the first inmate put to death in arizona since november of 2000 really so yeah it's it's seven year a seven year window goes by there where nobody gets executed. His lawyer described him as extremely insightful and wise about life, which is funny. Said that he and Comer have become close over the years and that he will be extremely sad to see him go. Okay. That's a weird thing to say. K.C. Skull, that's the prosecutor. Jesus, that sounds like a death penalty prosecutor kc skull good to meet you gonna put you in the chair nice to see you yeah he threatens his own kids

with the chair tell you what you play with that ball in his house you break that chair it's gonna be the death penalty in here i swear to god i will lethally inject every single one of your little bastards your friends too that too. That's right. They don't even live here. I keep the shit in my bathroom. I sweat in my medicine cabinet. I will stick you up, son. Don't think I won't.

He says that it doesn't matter if Comer has changed. He said he's very cunning. He's very intelligent. I also know that he was a very nasty guy, but that doesn't change anything. Rehabilitation was never a factor in this case. You do things that are so bad, we don't care if you're rehabilitated. Basically, he's too much of a scumbag to even give a shit about that. He does say the prosecutor says the case has haunted him.

Police officers who were involved in it and the surviving victims. He said everybody's entitled to closure here. Then he talks uh tracy poor tracy there who was raped repeatedly he says quote she has to get up every day and think that sob is still breathing somewhere and i wonder if he'd come and kill me if he had the chance so that's that's a good point um by the way the usually there's a lot of protesters and counter protesters at death penalty things especially if a state hasn't done one in a while. This guy, 17 protesters he drew. That's it. 17 people had an opinion on this, though.

That's very low. And there was one pro-death penalty protester also there, standing there. And their sign said, now we can't rape and kill anymore or something. We knew that. So, last meal jimmy oh fantastic last meal it's been a long time since we had the last meal did he honor bonsai bill and do the same thing he did not he had his own request fried okra okay not bad um four buns with lots of butter so i guess but not to eat, not like make a sandwich, like a buttered bun.

Lots of salt and two slices of banana bread. So he's having butter bread with salt on it. And more bread. And more bread. So many carbs. Just banana bread? Banana bread. Two slices of banana bread, four buns with lots of butter, and fried okra.

How's that for a last minute? In that case, do you ask for like a particular amount of okra? If you're not eating much at all? I guess a shitload? You mean like a good pile of okra? Can I get a pound? You know what I mean? Any measurement. Are you going with like a large church's okra?

You know what I mean? Yeah, that's what I mean. Like what's the, how does this work? Just they give you like a single serving? Right. How much do you want want four buns and two slices of banana that's what he's been dreaming about in there for years for yeah for 30 years he's sitting there going you know buns buns and okra that's what i need and banana bread of all things it's just weird so anyway uh they get him into the execution chamber here and he looks around and he he mouths.

Hi, how are you? Toward toward the witnesses. Yeah, I think his girlfriend was probably there. Maybe Amy. So, yeah. Yep. So anyway, the execution begins at 103. It's legal injection.

He smiles through the whole thing. They said he's happy as can be. begins at 103. It's legal injection. He smiles through the whole thing, they said. He's happy as can be. They asked him if he had, Warden Carson McWilliams asked him if he has any last words. Yeah. And he does, Jimmy.

Oh, fantastic. You know what his last words are? It's bad, isn't it? Well, you live like white trash and then you die like white trash because, and I mean the way what you say, not the way he's being executed. Right.

He said maybe one of the most white trash things he could say. He said, do you have any last words? He said, yes, I do. Go Raiders. Oh, that's his last words. Go Raiders. What an asshole. And they sucked for years.

That's a really bad period, too. 2007, that's a low point for that franchise. So, bad stuff, man. Go Raiders. How the fuck does he know? You know what I mean? Yeah, that's the other thing. How have you been watching football?

So, I mean, that's worse than Boomer Sooner, like the one guy said. I think that's worse. Go Raiders. Somebody said Browns to the Super Bowl. They did. Yeah, I think someone said that. The Browns are going to the Super Bowl. And they haven't been since.

At least he had a good sense of humor. So that's nice. Yeah, maybe he doomed the Raiders for years after this. Possible. Shitty season. So I'm not sure. So he let out his breath there. And said smile faded off his face and he was pronounced dead at 104 p.m okay so that was that and uh you know nobody was that sad he wasn't even sad he was fucking happy with it so i mean

it's what do you say to that you know like who cares i guess i mean it's a human life but at the same time he's a fucking it's hard to feel bad james he was a pain in the ass the whole fucking time too that's what i mean he's a pain in the ass he contributed nothing to anybody anywhere no from the time he was 17 on he was nothing but a fucking thorn in the shoe of society just a rock in your shoe that's what he was asshole star scout raping pillaging killing just doing whatever and he wasn't even like a crackhead no you know what i mean there was no drugs involved at all if he was doing all of that because he had some crazy cocaine crack addiction and something at least there's a reason not an excuse a reason like

my great-grandmother she was murdered and we found out that the girl who did it she was murdered by a woman by the way which is odd um especially in a break-in like that but she was a 20 year old person who had a child already and was a crackhead so we were all like well i mean you know like it's a crackhead yeah so it's that that happens. You know, that's that's life. There's people that are fucked up and he's not one of them is what I'm getting at. This is just for like maybe they have five dollars.

I'll rape this woman 50 times. Like who the fuck thinks like that? So Arizona never fails us, by the way. It doesn't. That's why another reason why we do a lot of Arizona cases, because they don't ever fail us. They're crazy shit. That always happens. One guy saying he found his mom's finger behind the toilet and right.

Chopped her. It's fucking chopped her up right down the road from this prison. Yeah, it was no, he was executed in Florence. Yeah, which is right there. The motel right outside the prison was the one that happened at.

So there you go. That everybody is uh a crazy son of a bitch i will say here robert charles comer the gypsy uh poor tracy and richard and larry pritchard and i really hope that uh tracy and richard are doing okay i hope they're all right too like mentally i hope i hope they're i don't know how they would be but i hope they've had a lot of therapy and i hope those fucking kids are okay man i don't know how they would be, but I hope they've had a lot of therapy. And I hope those fucking kids are okay, man. I don't know what happened to those kids, but oh my God, I hope that they're okay. Because that is a, they just shook up a Dexter martini.

You know what I mean? Like that's bad. I really hope that all the trauma that I've experienced in my life, James Tracy experienced in one night, like over and over and over again. One day from the duct tape to all of it. Everything. All that. Yeah.

Every little thing that you put together, all the different things. And then the kids, I mean, the most harrowing day ever. Not only did you watch murder, you watched rape, you watched a dog be killed.

You had that about puppy that you were just given. Like this is fucking, he's a cruel son of a bitch. And that's the, I mean, that's, that's I think what it's there for so anyway that is apache junction arizona or more apache lake more like it arizona but uh the burnt corral campgrounds and uh we hope you enjoyed that crazy shit because i mean we enjoyed telling it i don't know if we enjoyed the story itself but we enjoyed telling it if you did enjoy it. Burnt morale. Yeah, no shit.

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Does he want everyone to know? And he divulged it via the donation, so I think he wants us to talk about it. Okay. Somebody fuck that guy. Please. On the double. Yeah. Speaking of double, Sarah at Double Bubble Cleaning Company and her boyfriend Jason listens

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Other producers this week also are. What did I do? I have a. Oh, it's just OK. I looked like a fork and knife. I don't know how I did that. You got umlauts. I don't know.

I'm putting emojis into the... Alright. Other producers are Taylor Cozart and Melody Kernatz. Rick is a moderator over at the Discord group and he lost his father recently and he says he's over it, but it's still obvious that you're struggling, Rick.

Hang in there. Your friends told me to tell you that. Also, Jacob Williams has taken Caitlin to New York because they're getting married, James. Congrats, both of you. Getting married. Dustin and Danny Martin. I think Danny may be in the hospital. No, I don't know what I'm doing.

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character. She was awesome. Ashley Veo, Susanna Platt, Kristen Bellinger, Bob Bob's. His last name is Roberts and goes by Bob Bob's. Bobby Bob's. Nicola Hassapese. Oh, Nicola Hassapese. name is roberts and goes by bob bobs bobby bobs nicola nicola uh has a piece has oh nicola has a piss oh my goodness has to piss i i guarantee that's what she dealt with in all through school or he nicola is that okay i don't know i'm not gonna assume rice proban uh thomas smith patricia

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You know Teagan, though. That girl. You know Teagan? The gal from over there at the thing? Teagan. Marciano. That's our girl. Drew Martinez, Lomatron808.

Ashley Tracy. Not Ashley. Persinger. Ashley Tarasca. That's why I I said Ashley Remy with no last name Liz 410 Mark Lewis Michelle McSully Sammy Morris Eric Collier Dick Trickler perfect

Reese Sarah and also Dana Daigler Sam Condert Grace Glenn Hannah Treesh Nathan Scott Ram Andy Barnett Alice W Richard Craft Matthew with no last name, Alex Thiessen, Kamara Langenbrenner, Shelley Noski, Heather Harrelson, Woody's daughter. Of course. Matt Ryan, Teresa Reeves, Ryan with no last name, Shitty DIY, Phil Rogers, Rochelle Sigourney, Josh Reeser, Brian Jarl, Mark Lampier, Nathan Smith, Jessica Almanza, Sean Flanagan, Stephanie Zimmerman, Elizabeth Hale, Weston Johnson, Steve King, Jenny Edwards, Roger Lewis, Cassie 911, Sarah Schooley, Hilde Bejeldin, nope, Hilde, fuck, Savern Yang, I'm the worst, Monica Young, Cindy Ferguson, Connor Hughes, Courtney Taylor, Jesse with no last name, Don Zuckerman, Laura Suarez, Donovan Roos, Christian, nope, that's Jessica, Chamberlain, Kelsey Larson, Kelly Whitaker, Ethan Dahl, Thad Kuhn, Amber Phelps, Jacek, nope, that's Zach, Wander, John Gleason, and Mitchell, Gerald, God damn it, Gerald would no last name. Honk, honk. Gerald, God damn it.

Fuck. That's a word. Honk, honk, fuck. Brendan with no last name. Kayla Elizabeth. Rick Houle. Kat Daffin. Will Ryan.

Guy Gamboni. Zachary, oh boy, oh boy. Hewlett. Salmy. I'm trying so hard. Jacob Gravel. Nicole Stacy. Brittany Egan.

Vanessa Gill. Austin Stovall, Rebecca Ribeiro, Jeremy, no last name, Alexandra Hunter, Jennifer Mitchell, Annalise Marvel, Aaron Kling, Taylor Forst, Peace Ransom, Mark Vought, Laura Hohe, Andrew St. James, Eric Faulconer, Lauren Barlow, Reggie Lee, Adrian Olivas, Beth Miller, Ray Grange, Candice Sievert, David Middleditch, Matt Kramer, Cody Shara, Guy Alexander, Bethany Andrews, Christopher Ryman, Jacey and Patrick, Daniel Criswell, Shelby Parrish, Ron Foster, Jacob Miranda, Locus Lucas, Cantu III, God damn it, Lily Lincoln, Jamek, and then also Cass M., Ethan Kopcho, Christina McNierney, Brad Fogle, Tristan Evans, Maria Ricks, Chris Pieskowski. I'm really doing it tough this week. I'm trying. Brianna Petrone, Andy with no last name, Amy Turner, Claire with no last name, Andy Schultz,

Daniel and Katie James, Matt H., SF, I think that's the whole town of San Francisco. Brad Holland, Michael Beecher, Alicia with no last name, JT Lewis, Christopher Lee Young, Kayla Allen, Travis Shule, Brad Hardesty, John Keefe. That was the name of a basketball player, wasn't it? Keefe? Was it Matt Keefe? That's a Keefe. Is there an O'Keefe?

O'Keefe. Kevin? Keith? I don't remember. Courtney Thaxton, Kevin Abbott, Nicola H., Tracy Quint, Leslie Kretschmer, Darius Ladson, Quaintly, Hunter, Gonzo, Maya, also Jess. No last names for either of them. Do you know them?

I think you do. That's the worst of Shire. The worst of Shire fortune. Kristen Aldrich, Lauren Schultz, Stephen Vaughn, James Bradford, Noah Paxton, Amy Carroll, Jeremiah Mueller, Ashley Stewart, Brody Maynard, Shelby Hughes, Austin O'Neill, Chrissy B., Dustin Wortham, Betsy Lou Brixen, the Glens, the whole family, I think, John David Cubison, Chris Kelm, Mackalai Hodge, Kay Krizny-Sewel, Gustavo Munez Pinto, Melissa Truelove, Marnie Sterling, J.P. Trent,

Muriel, Shane Bolch, Elizabeth Sharon, Katrina Taunton, Tony Peterson, Sharon Zitnick, and Kelly Thirsk, Lori with no last name, Jennifer Schaefer, Edward Collins, Allison Ames, Steve White, Steve Magoo, Patrick Rubicki, Panna, Panna? Panna Girardini? Such a question mark. Bonnie Ford, Cody Fedler, Aaron Sutton, Jenny with no last name, Anna Sargent, Hayden. Do you know Hayden? Sriracha, of the Sriracha family fortune. We're getting condiment money this week. I'm getting condiment money this week. Zachary Trottier, Matt with no last name, Heather Alexander, Lynn DeBroche, Kayla Holsey, Olive Hagen, Tanya Friend, Jamie Bullock, Ari Pisonin, Chris Sloan, Jordan Bowman, Brandon C., Brandon Moore, Naomi Kavanaugh, Carrie Smith, Al Stanway, David Pacheco, Lindsay Hyken, Stephanie McDonald, Malin Joyner, Taylor Vargas, Adrian Kelly, Kim Emrich, Kristen Chartier, Emily Parker, Adrian Jackson, Jan Jans, Evie with no last name, Christine Scherf, Kelly Lucas, Ryan Sansoni, Adrian Coyler, Jeannie Purden, Jessica Lofink, Laura with no last name, Amanda Cherry, Frank White Toast Angle, Leanne with no last name, Kelly Wurzikow. Where is the cow?

Keith P. You know Keith P. Keith P. Penelope. Susie Davidson. Aaron Sififos. Sififos, Madison Nichols, Yasmin Johnson, and then also Stoves, the Stoves. I don't know if it's... All the Stoves have joined together?

Stoverich? Well, the refrigerators gave us money last week. Truly. All of our patrons and our new ones, obviously. You guys are terrific tremendous fantastic we can't thank you enough thank you everybody so much honestly we say it every week but i i think we mean it more every week that's the thing because every week we we're pessimistic people so every week we expect everyone's going to go away this week basically like they're all going

away we're going to look and you're well there's that no patreon will be gone we'll have no listeners it'll just be gone everyone hates us now and because that's our thoughts as people we're as human beings we're we're fucked up in the head i just figure it's it's all done and now we start over next week that's it that's all we can do so but you people, everybody out there has just shown us so much support and love and just help with everything. We can't ask for more than all of you. So thank you so much for all that you do for us, honestly. And, Jimmy, what if they wanted to thank you or track you down to do terrible things to you? How could they do it?

Well, I'd appreciate it if you don't thank me and just track me down and do horrible things. My name is Jimmy Wissman and I'm at Wissman sucks. I'm Jimmy Wissman. At Wissman sucks on Twitter and Instagram. That's where I that's where I reside. And I've been doing trying my best to do more on Instagram because that one is so much more fun. It just, it's a monster, man. And you guys respond terrifically. So thank you so much. Where can they find you, James?

Absolutely. I am at Jimmy P is funny. I have no time for Instagram because you'd have no shows if I did that. So, but you'll find me on Twitter and other places. I think I have in my Instagram. I just don't do anything on it because I'm like, oh God, I don't,

this is another whole thing I have to do now. Zero followers, zero posts, uh, zero, you follow zero, zero posts, like 5,000 followers. Yeah, I have a book. It's true. Yeah. I have, I don't even have a profile picture up. It is hilarious. Would you like me to start doing it a little bit? At least, I'll at least put a profile picture okay tell you what everybody follow me on instagram then because i'm gonna try this week i'm gonna try i'm gonna post something i don't know what i'll do something and i'll try and i'll not be funny just to see what scraps you do post that's well yeah that's it'll pretty much be about the show or some angry or something you'll find lots of stuff look Look us up.

Find us. It's fun shit. Picture of a fox that's ruining your life. Yeah, with me with a machete in my hand chasing after it. By the way, if you didn't think I was a psychopath enough, that's my home defense, a three-foot machete. Literally, I keep next. With a serrated saw on top.

On one side, yeah. It's like razor sharp on one side and a serrated saw on top on one side. Yeah, it's like razor sharp on one side and a serrated saw. So if you break into my house and attack me in my room, yeah, in the close quarters in darkness, I got my money on me with a three foot machete in my underwear screaming. I want your blood. Even if you got a gun, I got my money on me. Bone saw tomahawk blade. Just swinging it around like a windmill in the motherfucker

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