Small Town Murder - #245 - I See Dead People - Indialantic, Florida

Episode Date: October 14, 2021

This week, in Indialantic, Florida, two successful, and seemingly happy couples enjoy life & love. This doesn't last long, though, as problems, affairs, and tempers flare up & cause many problems, including an absolutely horrific & violent murder, that freaks this upscale area right out. But who did it? The Ex? A new lover? A stranger? A friend, who sees the death, through psychic visions & leads their family to the location of the body? It's a mess, with changing stories, many motives, and ridiculous excuses!! Along the way, we find out that a lot of murder happens in Florida, that seizures usually don't cause psychic visions, and that leading people to a body disposal site makes you look super guilty!! Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman New episodes every Thursday! Donate at: patreon.com/crimeinsports or go to paypal.com & use our email: [e-mail] Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder & Crime In Sports! Follow us on...twitter.com/@murdersmallfacebook.com/smalltownpodinstagram.com/smalltownmurder Also, check out James & Jimmie's other show, Crime In Sports! On iTunes, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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You make jokes about idiots who think they can get away with murder. You make jokes about that sort of stuff. There's nothing funny about a beheading or somebody being burned alive. None of that's funny. That's not funny. The idea of, I think I can get away with this, that's hilarious on the other hand. But what isn't funny and what we try to go out of our way never to do is we try not to make fun of the victims or the victims families because we're assholes but

but we're not scumbags jimmy that's how this works yeah so if that sounds good to you welcome we're gonna have a crazy time enjoy and uh if it doesn't i don't know what to tell you she should probably give it a shot it's not exactly what you probably. So get on board and give us a shot. And let's have a good time. And let's all, from the lungs, shout, shut up. Shut up and give me murder. Yes, sir. Let's do this.

Let's go on a trip, Jimmy, shall we? I would love that. Now, we are going. We've been to Florida a couple months ago. But obviously, there's enough murder in Florida. We could just do Florida, small town Florida murder, and we'd have shows every week and it wouldn't be a problem. So Florida, and for one of the things, New York, California, Texas, Florida, a lot of

people there. There's a lot of population. So you're just going to obviously get more murder just based on more people. North Dakota, people go, well, why don't you do North Dakota? Because there's nobody there. They all left. They all never showed up. They took all their aggression out on the buffalo like they're gone.

You know what I mean? There's nobody there to kill each other. That's why there's not a lot of murders. And so the chance of having one that's crazy and entertaining and, you know, a crazy story are a lot less, whereasida a lot more so uh the other thing is we were supposed to be in washington this week it was our scheduled episode but a book that i'm that i need for this is not going to be here till tomorrow it was supposed to be here yesterday so we're gonna have to do that one next week and we had to flip flop so let's do this

let's get in it we're're going to Florida, Jimmy. Okay. Here we go. Back down the road. You had at least six or seven shots and some beers the night of this show, so I'd love to ask you what you remember of this case. I remember it's in Florida. There you go. So we're going to Indialantic, Florida,

and this is central Florida right on the coast, right on the east coast of Florida. It's about an hour and 15 minutes to Orlando, that direction for Disney, about two hours and 50 minutes. So almost three hours down to Miami. You want to go that direction. And it's about five hours and 40 minutes to the episode we did before this our last florida episode which was in bristol florida which was absolutely insanity so that was people you know you forget how goddamn big florida is yeah it's a big state and there's a lot of people there there's a ton of cities there's like think about it there's like eight big cities there or at least you know moderate

size cities and up so it's not most states don't have that that is really wild i can name probably six or eight cities in florida that's what i mean name six cities in missouri jimmy go ahead i don't know that i can name six other cities in america missouri goes st louis kansas city shit um well the one the tornado destroyed there's that one a few years ago it should be dead by now i I don't know. Joplin, there you go. Is Ozark a city in there? I mean, and then whatever towns we've done. Other than that, I don't know. So we're going to Florida, though.

It's okay. The last one in Bristol was like swampland. This is like idyllic beach shore. Yeah, it's near West Palm, right? No, no. I think West Palm's not quite near West Palm. It's not that far south? No, no, no. It's up like kind of palm it's not that far south no no no it's

up like kind of central coast over there it's in brevard county uh area code three two one because it is florida they don't want people to forget down there what is it oh three good that's not the whole state of florida because of the countdown from the space place three two one and one two three i feel like is how they do it the rest of the states one the space place? 3, 2, 1, and 1, 2, 3, I feel like is how they do it. The rest of the state's 1, 2, 3. Just let's keep it simple, everybody. Half the people here have been chewed on by an alligator at some point. There's a lot going on. People are taking crocodile around here for fuck's sake.

Yeah, you got it. 1.3 square miles, and one of that is on land, and the rest of that's the shoreline, obviously. Motto here, this doesn't get any better than this. You want Florida? We got an ass full. That's a motto. Bend over. Bend over.

Here it comes. I got Florida coming right in. You want the panhandle or the dangly piece? Because I got it all, buddy. Hell yeah. There we go. History of this town from 1919 to 1921. There's a guy named Ernest Coven Hoven.

Coven dash Hoven. He had a hyphenated last name. Yeah, he comes from two blue blood families that hyphenate last names so they don't lose their family name. And a Coven married a Hoven, and they thought that was a good idea. This is probably like a half-arranged marriage if it's like a blue bloody type thing. So, you know, couldn't have been. Not the Coven boy. Someone else, please.

Let's not do that he bought the land that became this town eventually and settled in the area and built a wooden bridge connecting indialantic with melbourne florida got it so it started out as a wooden bridge connecting otherwise it's just kind of out on its own there in the 1920s the hotel was built the indialantic hotel which was later changed to the trade winds hotel okay and uh 1924 they built a casino down there like fuck yeah how do we get people to come here uh casino and uh so yeah that's i guess it's the bahama beach club now there's that now then now it's nance park so it went from a rarely rarely do you see things go from a casino to a park, right? It's like the most profitable to the least profitable thing possible.

Most profitable to write off to, I guess we'll just let people sleep here if they don't have anywhere else to go. I don't know what the fuck. It's fine. I don't know. We got to hire a guy to cut the lawn, I guess. Other than that, I guess it's just kind of, we're going to let it sit here for a while. Other than that, we're going to let it sit here for a while.

From 1941 to 1947, it took six years to do this, the wooden bridge was replaced with a drawbridge, and the war delayed it. They weren't just like, I don't feel like doing it no more. We'll be back next year. It was the war. They didn't need materials. It's a lot of union breaks breaking up. Yeah. Hey, I got my 15 right now. I've worked four hours.

I get lunch. I'm sorry. It's over. I don't care that the girder's already on the crane. I'm taking a break. This was you couldn't get materials because it was everything for the war effort there. So in 1952, Indialantic was incorporated with its official name isn't just Indialantic. Indialantic was incorporated with its official name isn't just Indialantic.

Its official name is India, and it's like India like the country and Atlantic like the end of the ocean name. So Indialantic by the sea is what they called it. Because there's another one inland. By the sea. Yeah, Indialantic. You would assume there's another one in Tennessee. Missouri. Missouri has one. Yeah, you know, they do.

So Indialantic by the sea. and that's all dashes, too. I'll hyphenate it up to make sure. It's a lot. It's on some signs, but nobody ever says I'm going to Indialantic by the sea. That is so many words. Indialantic. It's a five-syllable name, so that's enough syllables for your whole thing. You got three more for where it's at.

Gee, you got to qualify it. You might as well named it Petra Gallo fucking, you know, Petra Gallo by the sea, Petra Gallo by the sea. That's what I'm going to be from now on. When I was living in Arizona with coastline,

Petra Gallo in the desert before it's it's okay so uh in 1985 they built like a modern causeway with an elevated part so boats can go and you know they made it modern there so notable people from this town we got a uh olympic uh gymnast two-time bronze and one-time silver medalist kathy johnson yeah you got pat nashak who is a two-time all-star pitcher who's been on i remember from the virtual live show we had pictures of him in every uniform and one two three four five six traded or signed player he's been on seven teams so it was a lot and uh and then also this there's this robert marks is here and robert marks is a pioneer in scuba diving an author and the picture of him

is basically him like an older guy with no shirt and his gut hanging out sitting next to another older guy with no shirt and their guts hanging out they're wearing like black socks on the beach like picking through sand and shit and i'm like what is this and i only i didn't know that i was a a pioneer at scuba diving because it looked like pictures of me but all body looked like shit yeah he uh but i only i i started writing it down and like i took the name i'm like oh cool he's from here because i thought it was richard marks at first and then i looked him up and i went that's not richard marks and then i went oh yeah richard is richard not robert that's why so it's a completely world's best twitter sniper richard marks loves to like find people shitting on him and then he just he just

says things like fuck your mother yeah he's fucking hi yeah he'll say he'll say things like your mom wanted to fuck me in 1988 or some weird shit like that and you're like that's hilarious i fingered your mom at a county fair in 93 and then he's like hold on to the knife like what the fuck dude he's a fantastic twitter sniper i love him just said something filthy and then sang a love ballad to me. It's not cool. Yeah. So reviews of this town, of course, that are fun. People seem to like this town.

Five stars for this one. I like the small town feel, though that is slowly leaving the area due to the many of condos. Many of condos. Being built right on the beach. of condos being built right on the beach the town sets up uh art festivals and other little markets in the local beach park which uh which area is great okay there are plenty of laws this person i don't like sentence structure is lacking they're not seems like this they have a stroke at the end of every sentence it starts out fine then they're like it's great there are plenty area is great area condos yeah the fire bad like this is frankenstein after like two years of community college that's what this is area great oh franken Referred back to former syntax. Two years of community college.

You know, he's learning. Yeah. Got a civics class under his belt. Yeah, he knows how to write a report. He's doing well. Nothing wrong with community college. It's good shit. I wish I would have went there, but I didn't.

I don't have that in education. No, no. No, no. I wish I did. There are plenty of locally owned businesses to shop or eat at, which also adds to the community feel. There's also a large surf community, which is great for whoever likes beach. So if you like beach, this is for you. Rick Tamlin wrote that.

That's awesome. I like beach. Love land. It's the shawarma man from Crime and Sports wrote that. You like beach? You come for you. Beach. Come lamb. It's the shawarma man from Crime and Sports wrote that. You like beach? You come, for you. Beach. Come like beach. Sign say close. No beach.

So here's five stars. I love living so close to the beach. Hell yeah. It's a big selling point here. Oh yeah, it's the goddamn beach. The people you come across are happy and live a healthy lifestyle. It is a quiet and safe place to live my children attend the local public school which has a stem program and robotics it's

an excellent school my kids are nerds yeah my kids are they're bragging on me like my kids are smart well i like the schools where my kids get picked on. It's great. Here's four stars. So, I mean, sounds pretty good, but apparently something's missing. Some people are like, it just didn't give me the over the top. You know, it's one of those. There's not enough beach for me. I mean, yeah, it's all beach and everything, but I just want a little more beach. I currently live here in Indialantic and can say that you will never be more than five blocks away from the beach or river.

Very family friendly. There are lots of parks for children to play and several hotels for people visiting. Yeah. Which you live by the beach. People are going to visit. Or the river. Or the river. Go to the goddamn ocean, please.

You have an ocean available. Yeah. Go to the. Imagine the trash on the riverside. Like people are hanging out on the river like it's too crowded on the beach like this water's warmer yeah it's warmer that's no kids keep your sneakers on there's a lot of broke just broken glass all all over the place so you won't keep them sneakers on but it's nasser here i remember that as a kid yeah that's what we

would do go to the river and the lake and they we always swam with their shoes did you bring your lake shoes god damn it jesus christ now you're gonna get a those are your good shoes jimmy damn it yeah he ain't going in the water you're done so uh here's three stars found out about the atlantic through my family the nightlife is non-existent and living around here is not very exciting for a college student but luckily i'm not home that frequently india atlantic is pretty so if you're out looking for trolling for like some college uh you know people to get with this may not be the place for you, I don't think. Unless they're on break and back home to visit Ma. That's it. Population, 2,895.

So it's a small little place. Wow, 3,000. 3,000 and a square mile. It's a pretty small little place. Female males, about average. A couple more females than males. Median age, a little bit older, though. It's almost 47.

Yeah, because it's fucking expensive to live by the ocean and a lot of people here in the 45 to 59 range in the age demo like a lot of like erectile dysfunction commercials probably being filmed here with local couples like a bunch of early retirement people yeah well you look like a upwardly mobile upper middle class family whose dick might not work would you you got gray hair and everything would you guys sit in the bathtub want to sit in the bathtub and long to have sex with each other long for the days when you could physically accomplish this goal so pretend that it's it's possible for the two of you to fucking water without this medication that we're pitching so uh marriage here uh married people a few more

55 which skews older a couple more dollars it makes more sense that there's going to be a couple more married people less single people with no children than normal this is none of this is a surprise um race of this town 88.3 white so pretty fucking white fucking white. 0.6% black. Oh, wow. Not a lot of black people. There's a lot of black people in Florida, so I don't know. Yeah, Florida's doing all right. That seems like on purpose or something.

I don't know what that is, but that's not a lot. I don't know if they raise that bridge up. Raise the bridge. Boat coming. No, no, no, no boat, no boat. No. Raise the bridge. It's a Mayflower truck from Detroit. Close it. Boat coming. No, no, no, no boat. No boat. No. Raise the bridge. It's a Mayflower truck from Detroit.

Close it. Close it. Close it up. Jesus Christ. I see an Atlanta Braves hat coming. Watch out. I just, I don't know why I'm seeing it. Michigan plates on that truck.

Close it. 0.6%. That's just. That's fascinating. 3.4% Asian, 6.2% Hispanic, which is like a third of the normal. And this is Florida, so it's like a fifth of the normal. That's interesting there. 35% of the people here are religious, and it's spread out pretty equally.

Florida doesn't really, unless you're in the swamp, it doesn't really conform to the religious things because people are from everywhere. swamp it doesn't really conform to the religious things because it's a people are from everywhere so you got a few baptists 12 catholic which isn't really a lot or a little uh you know seven percent other it is florida though and 0.1 jewish so interesting not yeah that's not a not a big not there huh magnet no definitely not They're going elsewhere. Interesting. So, which is Florida again. Yeah. There's plenty of Jewish people in Florida and not here, though. So in Brevard County in the last election, 41% of the people voted Democrat, 57% Republican, about 1.5% Independent.

We have unemployment rate is a little bit lower than the national average right here and uh it's kind of a white collar place you know and the median household income a little bit higher not a little bit a lot higher 76,776 dollars doing great very patriotic number of uh it's almost uh normally it's about 57 and a half thousand so that's a lot better a lot of people here make in the 100 to 150 000 range so those are the people on those commercials you know what i mean dress shirt the guy was out he was just out like waxing his classic car you know he has like a 67 mustang he was just out waxing and he's like i can get this to work and ride down the road why can't my penis be as agreeable honey come sit in a bathtub on the roof with me and we'll overlook the city and long for the days of pussy your so

this is what's happening here um the uh overall uh uh cost of living 100 is regular average here it's about 122 so that's a little bit high. And the thing that's most high is the housing. That's where we're going to really. Housing is $182,000 out of $100,000. Holy shit. For a median home cost of $521,100. This is just unfair. That's very expensive.

Let's just say that here. And if we have made a case for you and you need to go to a farmer's market and overpay for a house we have for you the indialantic florida real estate report the average two-bedroom rental here goes for about $1,453, which is above the national average, but not quite as much as the actual housing prices. It is crazy what rent has gone to, though. It's nuts. Apartment renting is bananas. Can you afford a down payment?

No. You're going to pay out of your ass every month. That's what it is. You're going to pay more than you would for a house because you don't have 50 grand in the bank and that sucks, man. That's so unfair. And then charging that kind of rent

makes it impossible for somebody to save to get a house. Oh, that's the thing. Yeah, you have to really get a huge windfall from somewhere. Who the hell

are you getting that from? You got to hope your mom dies so that you can buy a house. You got to hope your mom has money. My parents dying isn't going to do shit for me, so it's not going to help. Three-bedroom, two-bath, I found. 1,594 square feet.

The song's only so long. We got to get going with the real estate report. House here. It says it's nice. I don't know. It's okay. It's a nice house. It's not anything special.

It's a decent, nice family house. $450,000. Jesus Christ. It's not worth that. There's no way in my mind it's worth that. Found a three-bedroom, two-bath, 1,822 square foot house. This is very much

in the ad for it, it's like, take your golf cart and walk down to the beach. They're definitely going for a specific audience here. It's a decent house. Very nice. New windows and shit like that. They're bragging about. $605,000, though, which is a little pricey.

And then, speaking of a little pricey, you have been on many, many erectile dysfunction commercials, and you're doing very well for yourself. Six bedrooms, seven baths, 6,845 square feet. My God. They call it a compound in the thing here. That's what it is. There's a 5,000 square foot home and then another 1,800 square foot home, and they're both really nice. The grounds are nice it's silly this house two million five hundred thousand dollars so that's why you're gonna pay you're gonna pay

big time i can't i can't i can't imagine that two million five hundred thousand dollars yeah pay those property taxes and shit oh boy that's wild man uh things to do uh here the long doggers beach long doggers beach bash long doggers which sounds sexual and gross it does really does a long dogger good bro and they're like ew don't tell me that met a chick at the bar last night oh yeah fucking took her home fucking. Long-dogged the shit out of her. You know what I'm talking about, right, pal? Yeah, I gave her, like, ew. No, I'm disgusted by this.

That's what it should be called, when you long-stroke them. Long-dogging. Long-dogging. The long-dogger beach bash. So only the long-doggers are allowed. It's when you pull it out to the tip, James, and then ram it right back in. Oh, man. Jesus, that is horrifying.

So there's multiple country bands I've never heard of playing here. I don't know. Parmalee? Do you know who that is? Yeah. Yeah. They're good. Parmalee.

Well, they're popular. I would not say they're good. There you go. They have a lot of YouTube. They're not good. They're really bragging about their YouTube views and shit on here, so that tells us a lot. They oftentimes do.

And Sutherland, but spelled Southerland but spelled souther land oh souther souther they're even more souther than florida i don't know how much more souther you can get but here they are they're playing so there's that and then the indialantic craft festival fuck no which we saw pictures of it this is very specific this is for like you have to be like a 63 to 64 year old woman judging by the pictures and make jewelry that has dolphins on it and shit like that's what it's all like teal and turquoise with dolphins you picked up off the beach yeah and they made there's like wind chimes and shit. It's very beachy, kitsch. Joanne's, be damned.

We will make this out of what we find. Yeah, it's one of those deals. If you want earrings made out of seashells in the shape of a porpoise, you're in luck. Because we have this. Why do I have the place for you? I have something for you. If you don't want that stuff, maybe go to the farmer's market or go see uh parmaland or whatever it is parmalee go see that southerly go see parmaland and southerly

over there and have some fun and uh i don't know buy a dolphin necklace off some fucking buddy's grandma i guess i have no clue what you're doing here crime rate yeah fuck i hate deuce country oh yeah i know you don't like the pop oh man it's not anybody that likes country generally anybody likes like actual anybody that likes waylon jennings or or johnny cash does not like this shit i would hope not and them invoking their names their names in a song makes me want to strangle the fucking hillbilly right out of them. When I see these country guys and like they're wearing like fashionably ripped jeans and have gel in their hair and shit. And I'm like, Johnny Cash would cut you with a broken beer bottle. Do you understand that?

And I would cheer him on because this is ridiculous. You poser. Johnny Cash never went to jail, but he would for fucking destroying your vocal cords with a broken Coors Light. Yeah, exactly. So crime rate in this town. Property crime, what we're interested in, crime in general. Property crime, exactly average. So right, like to the point, whatever, exactly average.

And then violent crime, murder, rape, robbery, and of course, assault. The Mount Rushmore of crime is low here. It's about half. So great because they're old and they're happy. Yeah, they're older. Like, I don't feel like going all the way over there. See what happiness does. I mean, you do things that cause happiness in a society and people won't go hurt people or steal shit.

Also, just statistically statistically the the violence curve goes way down with age is the other thing even serial killers stop killing people at the rate they do when they get older you know like it's you're just lazier you know it's all there is to your dick's not working from the other guy it's it's a hard it's hard life out there it probably didn't work in the first place and that's why you were frustrated and kill people and maybe that's part of it yeah that's there's all sorts of factors so that said let's talk about a murder all right uh some factors that we need to discuss here that led up to that uh let's start out with talking about a woman shall we let's do this uh let's talk about a young lady named sheila graham okay

sheila graham is born in 1965 yeah and she's kind of like well i was going to say like just kind of the all-american girl but she's like the all but she's canadian so you can't really say that she's i guess it's all american all north american girl i don't know all canadian girl whatever yeah technically she's American. Yeah, that's what I mean. People always say that. They always point that out. They go, you know, that's not the only country over there.

And you go, oh, yeah, that's right. I forgot about that. It's a continent named Americans. Technically Mexicans are Americans, too. Well, yeah. To people in Asia, that's how they look at it. They don't look at it like they don't separate it by that or people in other continents. It's like in Europe.

Argentinians or americans you go you're all european and then they're next to each other going i'm not one of them you know the countries with the sharing borders like oh no i'm not doing that it's the same thing but we're like it's all europe and romania is like no fuck the french and you know i don't know romania france pull that those two out of my ass, but you get what I'm saying. So Sheila Graham, born in 1965 in Canada, in Ontario. So she is a big swimmer growing up, loves the water. Just a kid that wants nothing but water with her life. She's always been swimming. Her mother says that she should have been born with gills okay her mom sheila um she said that the where she grew up there's this lighthouse it's in

penitanguishene bay canada p-e-n-e-t-a-n-g-u-I-S-H-E-N-E. Jeez. Peabay, Florida, baby. That's what that is. That is, yeah. It's Peabay. Peabay, Florida. She said that's where she loved the most. That's what, you know, that's her soul right there.

There's a lighthouse there, and as a kid, that's all she wanted to go. Likely a native word, right? I guess, yeah, I assume. You'd have to assume. Either that or somebody had some kind of sense of humor on him i guess i can name it anything i want anything really all right he wrote that down handed it to someone and they were like oh you're a dick come on bill this is we gotta put this on a sign man we want people to come here they can't even tell people they're not no one's gonna know how to

walk jesus christ does this mean it doesn't even mean anything you made it up god damn it bill's a dick so uh she said that her mother said this is where she learned to swim and it was her favorite place in the whole world so she grew up there swimming being in the water should have had gills blah blah natural water natural like on a pool she's like no swimming in canada water that's fucking cold all the time 17 degrees it's gonna say in the week and a half a year that it's warm enough to swim in as well every year that one week she spent it all in the water and then just thought about it all year all off season you know you got to be pretty hardy to otherwise if you want to swim out in a outside of a certain range yeah in florida so she then when she's in college she moves down to florida down to

brevard county yeah to study oceanography that's a good place to do it very studious and you want to study it yeah that's warm down there you can always be in the water and uh she wanted to live in the florida coast or on the florida coast in it i guess i don't know you'd say like i don't know whatever so she wanted to she wanted to live there and she becomes a diving instructor during college to pay for college or to help you know get extra money for college so like scuba diving i don't know if it's scuba diving or like rodney dangerfield triple lindy or i don't know what's going on here. But I'm not sure if back to school.

I hope Rodney trained her. That would have been the best thing ever. Let me show you something, sweetheart. All right. This will teach you how to get the fish. There we go. We interested in oceanography. I got something down here in my ocean.

You know what I'm saying? I swim through everything. Oh, all right, honey. I love that they told him, go get your suit on. And he goes and gets like that that's like 1920s thing oh yeah yeah like a bathing a bathing suit he got like it has a goddamn speedo tank top yeah it was shorts and the whole thing it's hilarious tennis shorts and tank top like he's going to the beach in the 20s when women used to wear like pants you know it's pretty awesome it's good it's all a light-hearted

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The official Jinx podcast. Listen on Max or wherever you get your podcasts. So anyway, fast forward to late 80s now. Well, not fast forward. We're there. She's in college. Right. Finishes up college.

She's been a diving instructor. She's in the ocean, swimming around, doing all of her thing here. She meets a young woman who she becomes good friends with. And this friendship will last for years on and off. One of those friendships that, you know, they can lose touch for a while and then gain touch again and get right back into it. Yeah. So that's common back in the day especially before you could keep track of people like you can now yeah now now it's like if you don't see somebody

for 10 years you've seen them every day for 10 years and they're like what the fuck you don't say hi it's like i see everything you do i know how old your kids are i don't even have to ask i know all of them and your son is ugly i'm's going to be a very, he better be smart is all I'm saying because. I've seen every birthday he's ever had. He needs to be very successful if he's going to do any well in the world because it's bad for him. Right. Yeah. I don't get it.

But back then, somebody could like move to a different apartment and change phone numbers and then that's it. The thing is broken. They lost the slip of paper that yours was on and then. there's no relationship that's it you have to run into them somewhere and we gotta start over all over oh my god there you are you know that's it again oh jesus christ you had kids right oh the ugly one yeah the son that's ugly that's right is he still oh i mean yeah it's not great but kind of kind of better than I thought it was going to be. If I'm being honest, it could be worse. More years.

So she meets Kelly Brennan, who's around her age, and she's a nursing student. So they're both students. They're both, you know, busy young girls doing stuff, young ladies. And, you know, they become friends. Sheila, at the time when they meet, she has just gotten married. And so that's her different. You know, she's got kind of a different life than Kelly. Kelly's a nursing student.

Sheila eventually takes on three jobs, three jobs to put her husband, Daniel, through flight school. He wants to be an airline pilot. pilot wow which in the late 80s was still like a job that people strived for yeah you know what i mean yeah it was not that it's a bad job but people now that's a that industry is very up and down and the salaries go up and down so yeah but it's also predominantly i think it's dominated mostly by people that were in the air force in the air force fighter jets and shit. Yeah, because that's what you get. You can't work your way through flight school as a fucking server.

No, that's tough. You have to really, it takes forever because the amount of flight hours you have to have to get a license and then a commercial, it's insane. So you really can't have jobs. You do it for 10 years. Otherwise, it would take to get it. But yeah, it's uh and it's true though you don't you see those like you see some like flat-topped i don't even care man or woman you see them with like a flat top looking looking all like military and you're like oh

they're bored flying this plane probably they're like let's spin it around a couple of times and make it a fucking challenge you know what i mean this is boring i just flying from here to there no maneuvers no anything all right well i guess yeah you know that's what you want this time yeah that's what you want somebody bored by this whole thing not like okay we're gonna do this you don't want that person all these hours leading up to this okay it's all right all these people's lives are in your hand just calm that is why when the pilot comes on the intercom he sounds bored as fuck because there's nobody chasing him nobody's shooting it's like we're just going straight this is dumb gonna fly

over there um shouldn't have any problems not like anyone's gonna shoot at us or anything that's pretty boring and um you know i guess and uh they told me uh no barrel rolls. Okay. But I guess we're doing 500 miles an hour, so I guess that should be enough of a thrill for me. So, woo-hoo. If only I could crack a window. Have a good one, everybody. See you in Dallas. We're going to do 500 miles an hour, which is approximately 400 miles an hour slower than I'm used to. Than I'm used to, yeah.

It's just kind of a dog. Don't get out of your fucking you selfish cunts just kind of driving this big dog here that's all lame all right enjoy your drinks assholes so uh the center comp so i can go back to sleep yeah um now sheila's husband is daniel daniel trot so she she takes his name becomes sheila trot so daniel trot t-r-o-t-t double t three t's out of five letters that's a lot daniel i got the trots here he is so daniel one of his friends said he's an upwardly mobile kind of guy yeah as everybody said he's yeah he likes to be the center of attention everybody says and uh he's a little kind of narcissistic is kind of the way people think he's a pilot if you want to be a pilot there's a certain

as we know like we've talked about before if you're going to be like a fighter pilot back in the day, they wanted narcissistic people. They wanted- Your God's gift. Yes. They wanted people that you would never want to like date your daughter or whatever, but because they're really narcissistic or date whoever, but you don't want, you want them to fly because they got balls.

Also, it sounds like he's a guy that's like proud of himself when he should be proud of the woman that he married who's giving him every opportunity in the world but he wants to he likes people to think that he's hot shit that's his whole thing he's an important guy yeah he's one of those guys you know it's just we all know those guys who fit to feel a little more important than they are and And I don't get them, but whatever. Seems like a lot of work to craft that, doesn't it? Like to craft a persona. It's like, that's too much. It's too much.

Is that proud of yourself? Yeah. God, you have to build this up. Oh, I'm so good at, shut the fuck up. Let people know you suck. It's a thin line between arrogance and confidence. You know what I mean? Yeah. Just let people know you suck. And then confidence you know what i mean yeah and just let people know you suck and then they'll be they'll be surprised when something good happens they'll be happy with you you know when you pronounce someone's weird name right

they're so excited about it because they never thought it was gonna happen is that the bar mad love yeah that's what we got to do here you know that's how it works so but he is he's a tall handsome guy wants to be a pilot and you know sheila digs him because he's got a charisma to him so there's that um one of her friends said she was just all over loved him right away never seen her you know react like that to dating anybody she's showing people pictures of him look at this i like you know when you find the one there and then she found the one and uh everybody was like well they're gonna be getting married if she has anything to do with it because she is she is locked in on this and uh she he was like a fun guy too they were you know they like to do

things together exercise and do shit and ride their bikes on the beach. Everybody said they seem like the perfect couple. They seem like they're both attractive. They're both ambitious. But they're on this show, so you know something's not right. Well, something's going to happen to somebody, we know. We've introduced three characters, and I'll guarantee you one thing. Not all of them will make it to the end of the show out of these three.

Make it like Clue. At some point, the lights are going going to go out and someone's not going to be here anymore who do you think it's going to be so um yeah they're doing well together they get married on august 26th 1989 they end up uh they end up with two sons as well we'll talk about in a few minutes because they come up pretty prominently later. She Sheila becomes a real estate agent, which for, you know, an outwardly social. Yeah. So, you know, smart person. It's a great job, especially in Florida. There's always things happening. This was, too, at the time.

Early 90s is when people were moving to Arizona and Florida in droves. So this is kind of a big deal here. And finally, that year as well, I think 1990, Daniel gets a job as an airline pilot as well. Okay. Commercial airline. Nailed it. The whole thing, their whole plans, they're all working out. Marriage.

He's a pilot. She's a real estate agent. It's what she wants to do. It's what he wants to do. They start having kids in 92. Happiness pound can't beat it uh 92 they have a son named uh creighton is that his name yeah creighton creighton is his name e-i-g-h or a-y-t-o-n e-i-g-h-t-o-n like the college that's in the tournament every few years. That place like what do we discover you had a oh I went

to junior high. Yeah not to the college as we discovered on the show. I said Creighton like the like the college and Jimmy went I went there and I went you said like the school and I was like yeah I went there. Yeah the school like the college that there was a college and I was like no

you did not. I was so offended that you were trying to claim a college education. I was like, your ass. Your ass, Jimmy. You don't even. Seventh and eighth grade. I went to Creighton. Yeah, exactly. We found out that's a middle school in Phoenix.

So we were very confused. So 94, they have a son named Graham as well. So, 94, they have a son named Graham as well. And I can't remember which is which, but one of them has terrible hair genetics. Just an awful, awful member. One of them is like 18 years old and already shaves his head because he's really receding badly. And you're like, oh, bro. That's not a choice. He has to.

Oh, you're 18, bro. Like, what happened? Did you get sick or like were you exposed to like radium or something eyebrows so everything's fine yeah that's what i mean no it's just but not and it's not on top of his head it's not fine i felt fine at all i felt so bad for the kid because you know that's tough if you're 18 you're like fuck i don't feel 18 if i'm worried about my hair when you're 18 you're not worried, man. You're like, fuck, I don't feel 18 if I'm worried about my hair. When you're 18, you're not worried. Were you worried about your hair when you were 18?

No. I mean, I was worried when I met my grandfather. When you were 18, your thoughts weren't like, you weren't looking in the mirror going, shit. God damn it. More? I mean, I used to cut it all the way down, too. I had that fucking stupid Caesar thing. Yeah.

Yeah, you look like an idiot. That was funny. I mean, I cut it down real low, but I had a good hairline, and it came down. It looked great. I had like three years to go before it started to not look great. At least you had those three years, though. This kid never had those three years. He never did.

He couldn't make himself a Caesar, Jimmy. Poor bastard. No, he couldn't. Impossible. No Caesar for him. Baby duck hair up there make himself a Caesar, Jimmy. He was impossible. No Caesar for him. Baby duck hair up there. That was tough, man. So they're two sons, two years apart. And by the time they're adults here, 16 and 18, so we're talking 2010 at this point in time time the sons are living at home and uh along with ariel hansen

who is graham's girlfriend uh-oh uh they're both 16 years old so there's something going on florida there's yeah that's that says a lot of florida there i feel like you know casey anthony rents out the guest house here or some shit like it's a very florida situation you know it's one of those deals my ex-wife's uncle in florida moved a 19 year old into their house he is 43 oh no no no no sir and he has a wife and they were trying to thruple it up my god track first of all i hope he's in sales number one i'll just say that because the gamesmanship you would need to display for that you got to be able to sell anything to anybody the salesman of the month wherever the fuck he works but he's insane you know he sells he can sell shit to the roto-rooter man this guy know he sells he can sell shit to the roto rooter

man this guy like he is he can sell a middle-aged couple to a 19 year old as a throuple he's crushing it well that's selling both sides and they're selling both sides different things so you have to that's i mean it's not just one pitch this guy is wow he's good he's selling people like corvettes they can't afford and shit they're like this guy he just made it sound like i can't not have one i don't know he said take out my 401k it'll be fine seemed like a good idea i don't know but whenever the six because we all know when we're teenagers and maybe you grew up in that house because a lot of these were my friends houses that you know this the 16 year old was allowed to have their boyfriend or girlfriend living in the same house with them and they're like everybody's in separate rooms yeah that's

not everybody i know that had that uh happening where they were like young and their whatever boyfriend or girlfriend lived with them they're all a fucking mess today every last one of them yeah well probably probably yeah i would assume i don't know how they wouldn't be four or five people that that did that oh i know yeah and they were just they're all fucking i know someone whose parents not only allowed never mind a woman full-grown men who like sold drugs to move into the house like satanic bill can move into the bait like no satanic bill cannot move into the basement that's a bad parenting decision it just is mom this is satanic bill he'd like to move in no no i met him at the carnival he was working there and he's decided

that he'd like to take a bit of a sabbatical from the carnival for a while while they head upstate and we're gonna stay no the fuck out of here with that you're not even welcome for dinner i'm gonna be honest with you the fuck out of my house no shit man so they all live there and they uh my god now sheila has been a vegetarian since the ninth grade oh so there's that yeah she's been a since the ninth grade she's been a vegetarian and she likes to garden and grow shit and eat it and grow roses and stuff like that so she's very healthy and daniel's very healthy too he likes to you know bike all the time and stuff like that they're they're very like healthy like uh energetic people sure these people i don't i can't relate to this at all

no everything they're saying is like i i grow a nice vegetarian diet i grow my own vegetables and i bike on the weekends like wow holy shit i i envy your energy uh yeah i suppose that comes from greens because i don't fucking have it i'd like to grow some weed so i can smoke it and then sit and not run it anywhere that's what I'm going for at this moment in time. We have different goals, Trotz and me. So she's going by Sheila Graham Trotz at this point, by the way. She's hyphenating up. So Daniel, he's really got ambitions, this guy.

And what are the two most narcissistic jobs? We've said a pilot is one of them what's what's another one and i besides doctor that like instagram influencer that you would get no an actual job where you actually have to show up at work and do something not where you fuck off and finger your asshole for fucking while people look at you no i know that's only fans i'm saying on instagram they're not seeing you finger your ass below the camera land some of them are yeah some of them are but i yeah you're right people do some gross shit on instagram um i i don't know james it's a politician jimmy what else would you want to be

like i think so highly of myself i should be in charge of things i should tell other people how they should live their lives better and how society can work better because I'm I know you're not for I know things. Yeah. So we should have to like force politicians into service like should be a law. You know, like in Israel, you have to serve in the army when you're 18. They hand you a gun. You're in the army period. That's it.

We should have a thing where selective service, but for politics, like we have the selective services and you sign up for that, but for politics and at any point you, there's like a panel or something. I don't know how we're going to do the choosing, but at some point we're just going to pull smart people out of the world and be like, you're doing this for five fucking years. We need people who aren't morons or super M people that aren't in, I'm not talking about CEOs and people trying to fly to space and shit like that. I'm talking,

we have an engineer on the third floor who does such a good job. We're just going to stick him. You're the senator from Wisconsin now. Enjoy. That's what we're doing now with you. Sorry. You're there.

Five years. It's your, that or prison. Those are your options. I'm sorry. This marketing guy is a genius. I'll tell you what, he is a mayoral candidate your options. I'm sorry. This marketing guy is a genius. I'll tell you what.

He is a mayoral candidate for sure. It's happening. Whether he likes it or not. He is. I'm telling you. He's going to be mayor. It's like jury duty. He does a great job.

He's really analytical. I think he's the guy. Or she's the lady. I don't fucking care. Let it be dummies too, James. Who gives a shit at this point? Because they're all dummies anyway. That's what we get all the time we get dummies who know how to stoke other dummies fucking passions that's not what we need we don't need that we have though are interested in making something

for themselves let's have dummies that have zero interest in this be the fucking maybe the mine inspector or whatever but no but the the loudest voices are the dummies and they're getting what they want anyway. We need someone who loud and loud and loud and they look back and forth to both sides and go, shut the fuck up. I'm working. Busy people working. You fucking morons. Shut the fuck up.

Trying to draw a CAD design over here. Jesus Christ. You fucking loud bastards. That's it. I'm going to be mayor. That's what we need. It's that guy. Yeah. So yeah. t-ball for every b-hole everybody so that lady i keep saying guy but i don't care i don't fucking care who does it i don't give a shit what you are just do it right so anyway

he becomes mayor of india atlantic daniel does he's the the mayor of this town so the stereotypical he's the mayor yeah he's the mayor but really they actually gets like a salary and everything and has an office and stuff and so 2004 2002 to 2006 he's the mayor of this town which is uh ran a whole term ran a whole term the whole thing it's wild stuck wild. No engagement. Stuck around. Yeah. Then he's good and popular and everybody likes him. And he, you know, she's in real estate. He's the mayor. Like this, this, this couple is very, you know, first elected position is mayor.

Mayor. Well, I mean, it's a mayor of a small town. That's where you start. It's still pretty impressive. It's good. You have to have some charisma at least to be elected mayor. You don't have have to be the most skilled person but you have to at least be able to draw a crowd at least you know have people give a shit about what you're saying so that helps generally you start at like treasurer of hoa if you're serious but if you're like a pilot who wants to he doesn't

want to do math and paperwork and shit for that no he wants to cut a ribbon you know we're gonna open this now hey there we go and shake some And shake some hands and then get free drinks. That's what I think he's looking for here. I'm off to dig one scoop with a golden shovel. Be back. I'll be back in a minute here. And they're doing well financially. They're well to do.

Good social circles. You know, they're obviously he's the mayor. So they're extremely popular. And it's around this time. We'll talk about Kelly Brennan again. Remember our nursing student, Kelly Brennan? Well, she's married as well. She has married a man named Gino Rallo. Old Gino here.

Kelly's a nurse, and Gino's a restaurant manager. He looks like a restaurant manager. He just looks like he'd like he'd like yell at you for getting like an s-car go to the table late and do this and what the fuck and you want to go do a line like in the next line you know what i mean like that's what he looks like he would grab fennuccini off a plate and throw it in the server's face and say did it hurt it's because it's hard you left in the window you left in the window too long. You left it in the window. What's wrong with you? Ding, ding.

You hear that? Hot food, go. There you go. Now let's go do lines in the bathroom. Because that's every restaurant I've ever worked at. Everybody's just trying to get everybody else in the bathroom to do lines. It's fucking cocaine whack-a-mole when you work at a restaurant. So we don't know that Gino Rallo was, I'm just, you know, this is all based on experience of ours.

Yeah. Now, Kelly, she's a nurse. She's gone to nursing school and she's become a nurse. She's doing it. She likes the outdoors. She likes kayaking. So, I mean, she's an active person. She also has MS as well.

Multiple sclerosis. So, I mean, she's an active person. She also has MS as well. Multiple sclerosis. So that's difficult, obviously, because that's a very up and down disease. If you don't know anybody who has MS, my stepfather has MS. So I know it pretty well. He's had it for a long time. And it's, you know, some days he's fine.

He can do stuff just fine. And then there's some days where you can see it on his face where every step hurts. He can do stuff just fine. And then there's some days where you can see it on his face where every step hurts. And, you know, you see his hand is not, you know, is cramped up and in a right in a tough position. And he gets these terrible cramps at night. And it's like, it's fucking horrible, man. It really is. There are, quote unquote, good days.

And then what the fuck days. Yeah. And they're shocking because you think that like, oh, my God, this is the day that everything's over. I'm in a wheelchair. And then the next day you wake up and it's like, it not that bad it's that's yeah he says it's it's terrible and it's a really uh difficult thing and one of the things that helps is keeping active and exercising a lot is a because he runs and does all that shit to try to keep he lives in phoenix right yeah he lives in phoenix yeah he triggers it and he's here that's bananas yeah well yeah

he's got he had other problems too that kind of was it were into that some shit. But anyway, she has MS, which is difficult. And I mean, probably make her a really empathetic nurse, too, though. Helpful that she had to have some kind of affliction here. But she didn't let that bother her at her job at all. They said she was still just as into her patients and just as committed at work. And her one of her co-workers said, you know, sometimes it would flare up, but she would just work right through it and try not to say anything about it. And that's how she would get through.

It was put her nose down and work harder. Don't acknowledge it. Just kick it. Yes, you just that's it. That's all you can do. So So Kelly and Sheila are friends at this point as well. And they're buddies. And she would say later on, Sheila would tell somebody, we had the type of friendship where we wouldn't see each other for four or five years. And then something would bring us together. She hosted parties. And Kelly was kind of the center of attention. She said she was a great girl.

And she liked to hang out with her. And there's plenty of pictures of them at parties together you know shit like that lots of lots of glasses you know lots of uh cocktails and that sort of shit so dad january 2009 comes around and apparently sheila is not as thrilled with Dan as she used to be. Oh, no. I think the— The novelty's worn off of this shit? I think, yeah, the butt is off the political rose here, and it's the electoral rose, and she's not too thrilled with him. I'm not sure how she thought about his mayoral skills,

but she's not as happy with him as a husband. I know that much. So one of the things i'll give her the quote here she says quote he began having affairs oh that's a problem that's going to be a problem in most marriages unless you're that guy who can talk his wife and having a 19 year old live with him staggering right hell is he thinking first First of all, why would you want that? Number one. Why would you want that? I can't. No.

And this goes for men or women. One person is hard enough to have a relationship. Not that it's difficult, but one person is, you know, that's a relationship. And there's enough friction and things that can happen in the world. You're going to add someone else into this mix? Are you kidding me? You know what's the funniest part about it, James? things that can happen in the world you're gonna add someone else into this mix are you kidding me he used to like drag her around to like family functions and she would just like stand in the corner for what do they feed her like on the floor like a dog or something like throw scraps down

from their plates what the hell is that like yeah people like who's she like who our friend don't look she's not there what just somebody we're helping out they'd say what the fuck man what are you talking about dude that's so creepy what was her story was she i don't look i'm not asking i mean i want to know anything i am so uncomfortable i didn't want to be, you guys realize how fucking weird this is, right? Because they knew. This was a long time ago? This was a while ago?

Well, I mean, I haven't been married for three years, and it was probably three, four years before that. So, yeah, it's been a minute. Oh, my God. Not two. Wow. Okay. Oh, my God.

Long enough to where it's like, it's not so far away that it wasn't fucking super creepy. It's like, you can't just go, well, it was the 80s. I don't know. People were weird. You can't just blame it on an era or a decade. You can't just do that. If you had a butterfly collar on or something. Well, it was 1974. What do you want? What do you want?

Never heard of Hey Dash Gray. It was a weird time. I don't know. It was weird. Yeah, what Manson says sounds crazy now. Yeah, of course. Charles Manson's shit sounds great. At the time, it sounded pretty good. I'm not going to lie. This was like, fuck, what Manson says sounds crazy now. Yeah, of course, Charles Manson's shit sounds great. At the time, it sounded pretty good. I'm not going to lie. This was like, fuck, man. Sounded logical.

Michael Jackson was dead. I'll say that. Oh, man, that's too late. That's too late. If Michael Jackson's dead, it's just too late for that. Way too recent. Now, January 2009, like I i said he's having an affairs which is going to be an issue in most marriages as we got to she said quote i would notice his ring on

the counter he wasn't wearing his ring uh you know she'd say we need to talk and he would quote swear and cuss at me so there's that do you fucking worry about it i'm leaving this ring here uh yeah he's out banging around and she's not happy about it and uh and he's doing it right in her face that's that's the obvious part yeah they all kind of know each other in that town so he's probably who knows who he's doing this with and this is the i mean honestly a pilot who has to be mayor and all that kind of thing. I hate to say it's like a stereotype, but it's kind of like a stereotype of the guy who is never satisfied with women.

You know what I mean? He needs, he's looking to trade in for younger models and shit like that. He's weird thing. It's a, yeah, it's almost an image thing to him. It's not even about,

that's the weird part about someone who's narcissistic like that. It's not about them liking someone and being happy it's about like how does this person make me look do i look better is this a you know like it's an image thing it's really fucking weird they're all like instagram people like they're all like instagram they all need constant approval yeah Yeah, it's very fucked up. So it's strange shit. Now, he denied it. He was denying it. He said, I didn't fucking do anything. And what do you want here? So she just says, well, I want a divorce then.

I'm done with this shit. You're going to fuck around on me. I'm not going to stay here. So she wants a divorce. And yeah, she throws him out of the house that's it she tosses him out and um is tired of having him there so then it's just her and the two boys and the 16 year old's girlfriend living there now dan and go dan goes and gets himself a it has to be a sad one bedroom apartment. Yeah.

Like that's what he got because it's an apartment and you know it's one of those apartments that has like a bunch of divorced dudes in it. Yeah. It's just one of those sad places. A pool that no one uses. Yeah. I lived in one. Oh boy.

Oh yeah. We all know that. They had barbecue grills everywhere and none of them worked. No. Of course not. All a bunch of single dudes and nobody would fix one. Come on, guys. I don't know.

Whatever. Somebody do us all a favor. I don't have enough. I just don't have enough in me to even cook. That's the guys are just like, I don't know. I barely got enough will to wake up. Yeah, I'm stopping it. What's the...

Arby's. Fuck it. Who cares? That'll hurt me. Good. Good. I deserve pain. That's what it is.

This is all my fault. So her marriage is falling apart. Sheila's marriage to Dan is falling apart. So she decides that her Sheila and Kelly need to go out for a girl's night out. Yeah. Girls. Let's let's flush all this out of our systems and have some fun and pretend, you know, it's a simpler time. So she they're talking after a little while. And after a little while, Sheila realizes that Kelly's marriage isn't so great at this moment either. That's kind of falling apart to commiserate about this. Yeah, they're commiserating about it. She would say later on, quote, she made up. This is this is uh this is sheila saying about kelly uh quote she made a point of saying that she wouldn't care if gino had an affair which i

thought was a really strange thing to say yeah so she was like beyond this said kelly was beyond the point of even caring what her husband did anymore she didn't give a shit so there was that so that's really she wouldn't care like she would encourage it so that she would have a reason to leave. I don't know. I, that's what it's, I think it's probably six of one at that point, you know,

because it's, I think if you're in, if you want that, if you wouldn't care, I think it's that way. You can just be like, Oh good. Now it's right.

Yeah. And then you don't even feel like you gave up on anything. Maybe. I'm not sure. Who knows what's in someone's psyche when they're in a bad marriage like that. Everybody's brutal, yeah everybody's situation is worse and uh or is different and some worse than others so dan you said dan's living in a one-bedroom apartment here and he joins a cycling club oh yeah bicycling because he's got you know that's what he does here those guys

yeah they're all kind of they all were in different cycling clubs from time to time when they have time but now he's going to join this and you know this guy trying to stay in shape or something i guess here and this particular cycling group is the same one where kelly brennan is a member as well you son of a bitch so uh yeah sheila's friend kelly and uh after a while they seem to spend a little more time together than just bike rides at this moment becomes a little bit different sheila would later say quote dan and kelly were both lying to everybody saying they weren't having an affair and all this and while this whole thing was going on i was having my problems with dan he was just being very belligerent. So the whole time she finds out that they're having problems and he's leaving his ring behind and they're fighting and she's talking to Kelly about her problems and they're commiserating.

Kelly's been banging her husband is what she thinks here. So this is a this is tough. I mean, this is to be to be betrayed by your spouse is one thing. But then to be betrayed by your spouse with your friend who you've been friends with for 20 fucking years is that now who are you going to tell about that? You got fucked over. You know who you're going to be. Go cry to now. You know, you've lost that.

So that's even open that door with with your wife's friend, though. Like, that's what a scummy thing to do. That's a ballsy first move for somebody. What do you want to bet? He said something gross like, you know, that's illegal. And she's like, what's that on a bike ride? And he's like, peddling pussy. Ha ha ha.

Yeah. I mean, someone had to make some cheesy mayoral dumb shit. Yeah. Some hacky fucking airline pilot jokes. Some hacky peanut material he's had stored away for a couple of years yeah full chewing a pretzel or some shit yeah that's probably that's a ballsy first move though think about truly to try someone had your wife's friend that's scummy someone had to make a physical first move and that's risky for either of them.

Whoever made it, what if the other person was like, oh, my God, get away from, like, wow, you're in trouble now. The evidence, though, is certainly documented right there in that he's – because there's a certain level of, like, go fuck yourself to your spouse when you're banging their friends. Like, you're obviously out to hurt them or to uh get back at them for whatever reason yeah you don't you don't fucking care anymore and uh early 2010 there's some emails from sheila to dan here where she is she's pissed at him and she's laying it on the line and saying listen you're gonna have some you got to make some decisions here and says one one and she's laying it on the line and saying, listen, you're going to have some, you got to make some decisions here. And says one, one says she's got to start being accountable for the responsibilities you've taken on and start a clean life or stay with the filth you've chosen with Kelly. The filth you've chosen with Kelly because we, because she says, I'll just read her quote here, quote, quote, start being accountable for the responsibilities you've taken on and start a clean life or stay with the filth you've chosen with Kelly.

Because as we all know, that relationship is destined to thrive. Dripping with sarcasm, dripping very. The whole rest of the thing is all very sarcastic and all this shit. The whole rest of the thing is all very sarcastic and all this shit. Quote, you decided it was more fun screwing a good friend and a good friend's wife. And you got called out for screwing your friend's wife. And now you're upset about it. And she's upset, as anybody would fucking be upset, I would think.

So January 8th, 2010 at 922 a.m. This is an email from Sheila to Gino Rallo. Now, this is Kelly's husband. Yeah. She is sending messages, too. She says, there's a lot I know that you will never know and can't imagine. Oh, boy. Oh, boy.

This email. He knows what that means. He just will just say it. Well, the next line, she makes it a little clearer. If Kelly does choose to leave you and go with him, meaning Dan, who the fuck else is she? I would hope it's Dan. Yeah. Unless Kelly's got more boyfriends out there.

It will be the biggest mistake of her life. Kelly has known him less than a year. She's still in the honeymoon period, which i guarantee won't last long she's in for several and this is all capitals very big surprises and then she says that uh quote i am not nor have i ever been crazy i just know how to get things done i don't know she went from fucking she's in for several very big surprises i'm not nor have i ever been crazy i just know how to get things done what the fuck does that mean she's heath ledger in the joke in the fucking in the dark nights yeah crazy but i will blow things up and her correspondences are just as strange and odd and off in a weird way. Something off about them.

So February 2010, they are separated, Kelly and Gino. They get separated in February 2010. Free for all. Yeah, now everybody's living. Now we have four separate residences with two couples. Crazy. So Kelly moves out of the residence with her husband, Gino, and is living with her friend, Stephanie Farris. So there we go. She moves out, moves in with a friend. Everybody, she's she's going to do the air mattress thing, everybody, and start the fuck over. But not really start over because she's also banging Mayor Dan. So there's a lot. She's already started while she was ending. Yeah. There's a whole lot happening here. So Rollo and Brennan here, it's Kelly and Gino here.

They are going through a divorce and she's still seeing Dan. And apparently they got into a bit of a physical altercation, Gino and Kelly, when Kelly decided she was leaving. Gino didn't like that, tossed her around a little bit. There was some domestic physicality, which is never good in any capacity. So, yeah, at this point, Gino's pissed because it was one thing to have all this speculated, but now she's leaving.

So now it's real, You know what I'm saying? Now it's really real, and he is super pissed off, mostly at Dan. Really? He's real fucking mad at Dan. He is pissed, as you can imagine. By the way, everybody listening to this right now,

with every paragraph I read, you're like, oh, that person's going to kill this person. Oh, this person's going to kill that. Oh, that person's going to kill this person, because that's how I was with this whole story. Everybody has reason to kill everybody. That's the thing right now. Like, everyone has a motive for murder at this point.

Who's going to twitch first? Dan's kids are going to kill them all. Yeah, it's all the bald one. He's so angry with his baldness, he can't take it anymore. And his girlfriend. And his girlfriend, yeah. No, I think the bald one was the one without the girlfriend okay yeah i think the 16 year old which i mean he might be in for bad hair times as well

we don't know so like why is it why do why do guys always do that though take the rage out on the guy that's banging your wife knowing that she's married why don't you just be like get out of my house then you're clearly not in this like it's not do it and it's the same way with girls yeah to our rossi janice rossi you're nothing but a horse superintendent is this a superintendent that you have a whore living in your building rossi janice rossi do you hear me get your own goddamn man. Yeah, it goes both ways. It just happens. People freak out, and I don't know why that is,

where you're like, he's mine or she's mine. You should go there. But that's the person you have an agreement with. That's a third party. They've broken your agreement. Get rid of them. It's a third party that you shouldn't be mad at. I mean, you can be mad at them, but I think save most of your rage for the person who is lying to you that you're supposed to be married.

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or on Apple Podcasts. All right, do you. So Gino is, you know, he's, or I'm sorry, Kelly, or Jesus Christ, Sheila. There's so many people. Sheila. Sheila's mad. And so she keeps contacting Gino

and telling him more about it and more about it. And finally, this culminates with Gino being so mad that he apparently or allegedly or whatever went over to Dan Trott's apartment and had a little talking to with him. Let's just say let's daniel's quote from the time tell the story quote he physically broke through the door and assaulted me so gino came over a kicking in the door and uh whooping dan's ass or trying to whatever punching on dan while dan's sitting on his couch eating his fucking Hungry Man. This is just a mess. Mashed his handicaps in his face. Take that.

You're going to find the pork in this pork and beans. Look closer. Beat him with a hot pocket. Take that. I know the barbecue ones are delicious. What was it? Ham and cheese, you pussy. Pussy. The barbecue ones are delicious. I don't, you pussy. Pussy. The barbecue

ones are delicious. I don't know what that meat is. It's gray and weird and I have no idea. But the barbecue sauce in it is pretty goddamn tasty and it's just good. I'll be honest with you, James. I'm partial to the meatball one. Oh, Jimmy, Jimmy, you're hurting me. You're hurting me, Jimmy. That hurts.

It's so good. That hurts. I will eat the pepperoni pizza one though because it's nothing of nothing like pepperoni or pizza it's just greasy and tasty my daughter loves them because she can make them so yeah and i'll just i'll smell food and i'm like who's making food we're about to eat dinner and my daughter's like oh i just ate what'd you eat i ate two boxes of hot boxes yeah i ate four of them. It's what happens, though. You can't help it. It's four in the afternoon, you asshole.

It's okay. Yeah. It's no problem. Don't worry. I'll eat again. I'll eat more. I'll have more Hot Pockets later. Don't sweat it.

What, are you going to make Hot Pockets? I already did it. I already got them. Taken care of. There's no more left. Yeah, look in there. You got to go to the store. So, February 15th, 2010 comes around.

Things are clearly coming to a head with everybody. Oh, this is a mess. This is a mess. Husbands assaulting wife. People are assaulting affairs. It's a disaster. Everybody's mad. There's angry emails flying around.

It's not going well here. He's mad. There's angry emails flying around. It's not going well here. So she says at this point, this night, February the 15th, Sheila's at home and the boys are at home with her. And Ariel Hansen's there as well, the girlfriend of her youngest son. And she tells Ariel Hansen that she needs to make a quick trip to the old Walmart here to, you know, I just got to pick up a few things.

I got to go to Walmart. She leaves for like four or five hours and then comes home with nothing from Walmart. Like no Walmart bags, you know, like nothing with a happy face on it or any of that shit. So that's 2010 they had that, right? The happy face. Oh, God, yeah. Okay. I was trying to, I i'm like what was their shit back then that they were marketing to so yeah she comes home with no walmart bags which four or five hours at walmart even if you hate walmart you'd find something to buy you know yeah yeah you get like new tires or a fishing pole or something you'd

come on with like two tires a fishing pole like a picnic table and like i don't know mozart trail shit i don't know i got some of that i got the family size that breaks the second time you unfold oh absolutely you know it's all one user one user single use shit and a giant like family size 17 pound box of lucky charms i got all of it it's all here for us but she doesn't do that she returned with nothing empty handed after four hours wow i mean just and looked like hat like she'd been through a harrowing ordeal like she had gone to walmart and tried to shop but my god it was just overrun with like you know syrian refugees or something that were fleeing not even like they lived there and they were sure they were still running away and they ran through

the store and just right knock things over because there's thousands of people and they're fleeing for four hours she did a black friday sale and uh came up empty-handed every hour she went to to get empty. Hair out of sorts and shit. Like, woof. Man, it's tough out there. So, yeah, Sheila left her house about 6 or 7 saying, I got to go to Walmart. And then, you know, never came or came home at like 11 o'clock with no Walmart. And Kelly Brennan that night, on the other hand, she is supposed to do a session with her personal trainer at 9 p.m. that night, but she doesn't show up at all. So they're like, OK, well, that's weird. She's usually there for her exercise. But, I mean, people don't show up.

Maybe she had an MS flare up and I don't know. Check Walmart. The lines are long tonight. Yeah, it's long. It's crazy over there. You got to see it. The TVs are on sale. It's wild. Three people have's long. It's crazy over there. You got to see it. TVs are on sale. It's wild.

Three people have died already. It's absolutely insane. So now she did that. Kelly ends up, you know, the gym, the trainer. I think she calls somebody to see where Kelly is, tries to call Kelly, get a hold of her, can't get a hold of Kelly. So she's, you know, everybody trying to find kelly at this point uh she was supposed to also meet dan at the gym as well and dan doesn't see her either so at this point dan's talking to the trainer like where the hell's kelly what's going on here so dan wants to you know wants to look for uh he said that he got home from working out of town that day and was supposed to meet her there and couldn't get in touch with her.

He said, I called her a bunch of times, texting her. She's not answering. Nothing's going on here. I'm supposed to meet her at the gym. And what the fuck? No call, no show. This is messed up, man. So everybody starts looking for Kelly.

The people are like, let's look for her for let's see where she might be yeah so her best friend jane bermudez says let's call the cops too and get them involved in this as well you know so they call the police file a missing person report so the police a bunch of her friends dan trott, her best friend Jane Bermudez, everybody's looking all night long. Scouring in the Atlantic for Kelly Brennan, just looking everywhere. The cops go everywhere. They go to Gino's house first, you know, thinking maybe he's got her tied up in the back room or something. As a non-police detective, good call, fellas. Yeah, you'd go, oh oh she's in the process of

a divorce yeah she left him and oh it says here he roughed her up when she left yeah let's go talk to gino probably and then she was banging yeah let's talk to gino here i think gino's our guy she's banging the mayor yeah that's our first let's let's talk to gino yeah so they go to gino's house they meet with him um no they you know they ask him if he says he hasn't seen her. And there's no bloodstains on the wall or anything. So they have to take him at his word for it. And they go to the hospital. They call all the hospitals in the whole region thinking maybe she's there.

Nobody could find her. Nobody could contact her. Finally, there is an official missing persons report go and they check every police department hospital fire rescue all the highway patrols to see if there was any accidents with anybody in it that fit the description she could be like you know in a ditch somewhere they went to her house they went fucking everywhere no one could find her no she's totally gone now on the other hand about 10 10 30 back to sheila she's totally gone. Now, on the other hand, about 10, 10, 30. Back to Sheila.

Sheila's at home with the two kids and with the kid's girlfriend there. And she's about 10, 10, 30. She gets home and immediately starts. The boys notice that she's acting strangely. Yeah. Like strangely. And they say, oh, shit, she's having a seizure. Oh, I think Sheila's having a seizure oh they think sheila's having a seizure here she's speaking incoherently and banging her head against the wall that'll cause

concern that's something where you're gonna yeah it's gonna stand out that kind of behavior so they call 9-1-1 because they're like oh shit mom's having a seizure we don't know what to do here call 9-1-1 ambulance comes out they've never seen a seizure before no and she's like have i guess it would be a bad one too if she's banging her head on the you know i think you would think that would be a stroke right not a if you're standing upright hanging banging your head on the wall no no she's on if she fell on the ground oh she's like banging her head like she's by the wall and she was like saying shit and hitting her head on the wall jesus thrashing so yeah they thought she was having a seizure because she was like thrashing okay it was more than just like she didn't just like fall down and bang her head on the wall that would be more more strokey so um yeah they they're like shit they

call the ambulance ambulance comes and there's no they can't find any reason for the cause there's her blood pressure is fine everything's fine so it's basically like do you want to go to the hospital or do you want to just not you know what i mean yeah so they just leave her they just she decides that she's going to ride it out at home she's feeling better now and you know her son's called the hospital and they were worried about her so they do that um They leave and everybody's sitting around and they found nothing wrong with her. They're home. They're talking about everything. Out of nowhere, she starts talking about seeing Kelly Brennan's face and saying that she can see she has a vision. She's having a vision. This seizure must have given her a vision. You know, that's what happens. You have a seizure and now it's like it's like you got struck by lightning and now you can see the future. It's one of those things.

Like now I have visions. This seizure tweaked my brain just enough. And then she has another another seizure and she just doesn't like ketchup anymore. But she can't see anything. It's weird. So anyway, she said that she sees Kelly's face and she sees that kelly she's hurt there's something she's hurt i'm seeing a vision of her hurt and she's at a beach she's near a beach at oh god what is this place oh this vision mark's landing she's at it i see her names it

in distress her Her face. She's been hurt. Something's wrong with her. She's near a beach at Mark's Landing near there. I'm just I'm having this horrible vision. Horrible. I can't sleep. She couldn't sleep.

She was just I can't do it. So finally, this got to the point where her sons say, we'll go. Let's go down there and we'll go. I'll show you that there's nothing there. It's not far. Let's get in the car. We'll drive down there, show you that she's not there, and hurt, and all this shit, and that way you can go get some sleep. I understand your friend's missing, and that's very scary for you. So they do all of that.

And anyway, they, well, we'll talk about this. They go over and well, here we go. This is from one of the other brother from the other brother Creighton. Graham called us over and he's like, I see something. So we walked over and saw a body, just a shadow of a body that was in some sort of spandex workout uniform. Oh, yeah. So they're on the way to the gym. body just a shadow of a body that was in some sort of spandex workout uniform oh uh yeah so they're on the way to the gym like you're on the way to get a training session yeah so they don't call the cops no they leave and sheila tells them to go to a vacant lot nearby they go to a vacant lot nearby where sheila picks up a reusable public's bag public's is a grocery store if you're not familiar with florida it's one of those reusable grocery

bags there's a just a reusable grocery bag in the parking lot of some vacant lot somewhere she goes knows exactly go here go there okay let me out right here. Goes out, gets it, comes back in the fucking car. What's in the bag? Wow. Meth and alligators? I don't know. It's Florida. Who the hell knows?

So I would assume little alligator babies holding meth in their mouths. Alligator eggs. Yeah, just, I don't know, with meth inside. You crack them open and you're like, oh, it's meth. Like a Cadbury. Yeah. you crack them open and you're like oh it's like a cadbury yeah um so inside the bag they take it in the car and creighton says quote mom opened it up went into the purse there's a person there by the way opened up the wallet and we saw kelly's driver's license oh no um so they were like, what the fuck, man?

Like, it was one thing. Mom had a psychic vision. Holy shit, that's crazy. Mom knows where this bag is with this wallet and all this shit. Mom knows too much. Let's call the cops. So Creighton told her, quote,

we didn't want to have anything to do with it and that me and Graham were going to go to sleep and you got to deal with this on your own. He told her, fun is fun and mom is mom but i'm fucking out of this shit you did something weird and i don't want any part of it this is like this is the guy with the 19 year old i'm not asking any questions or down by a body uh you're part of this yeah that's now your part but still he's like um i feel like we're a little too deep into this mom you're on your own so uh she said that she'll defend this by saying, well, we went to two vacant lots and it was in the second vacant lot.

It's not like I knew right where it was. I had a vision of a lot. I can't have a perfect vision. I didn't get an address on the fucking thing. You know, Jesus question. Still, Sheila. Come on, man. And even like her, the public's bag had the purse and it was like had some

groceries in it like kelly went shopping and put her purse in the reusable bag and it even had her little purse had a k on it and everything for kelly it was like it's definitely hers um ridiculous so they all go back to she's house and Sheila makes a little detour from going into the house. They all pull up and Sheila takes the Publix bag with the groceries and with Kelly's wallet and driver's license in it and puts it in her vehicle.

And the kids never see that bag again. She just puts it in her vehicle and then goes back in the house. So the two sons didn't do anything. They don't call the cops. They don't do anything. They just go in and go to sleep and tell her she's on her own.

You're not going to turn your mom in. You turning your mom in, Jimmy? I'm not turning my mom in. I'm sorry. I don't know that I can go to sleep. I don't know if sleep is going to happen. Am I going to sleep in the house with a fucking murderer? It's your mom.

She's not going to kill you. I don't know that. I don't know. You know, when you're Italian, you have to get used to sometimes your relatives might kill people, but they're not going to kill you. You know what I mean? You just have to get used to that fact. It might happen at some point. You've got to trust that.

It might happen at some point, but it has nothing to do with you. I guess when it's your time, it's your time. It's not in a psychotic way. They have a reason for it. So unless you're, you you know there's a reason down and get an approval you gotta sit down and an approval you're an approval or you're gonna be the one getting whacked so as it said to ah rossi anyway the boys though they're a little freaked out they don't just go in and go to sleep as they say they were going to they call their

grandmother yeah they're like let's let's call grandma and find out what the fuck's up this is sheila's mom so they're like we could bring grandma in on this you know but this she grandma i'll have good advice here as i think i might have done this too when i if i saw my mother killed someone i've been like grandma what the fuck and she would have said no what are you talking you don't know nothing you don't may you mind your own business and go in your room grandma's a steel trap oh yeah oh grandma jesus christ you could kill 50 people in front of her i could be ted bundy and my grandmother would say my nope he's a good boy i don't know what you mean i don't she could have seen me with like a backhoe pouring bodies into an open grave.

And she'd go, I don't know what you're talking about. Like, she's hardcore. Hardcore. She's a gangster, my grandmother. She wouldn't do shit like that. No. Well, you heard about, I told you the story back in the day about the neighborhood fucking attempted kid diddler. She didn't call the cops.

She put a knife to his throat and cut him. I was like, oh, my God. That is scary. Knocked on his door and stuck a knife in his throat i was like whoa that's what you do grandma yeah that's you know handle things on your own so that's what they're doing they call up grandma for assistance here i don't think i don't know she's coming you know with a knife out but she's gonna show up so she she shows up. Margaret Byer shows up. This is Sheila's mom. Shows up at the residence and talks to her daughter a little bit here.

And she thinks that her daughter is still experiencing some sort of illness. Okay. So they call the paramedics again. And the paramedics come and they leave again. And then an hour later, the paramedics again and the paramedics come and they leave again. And then an hour later, the paramedics are called again. 9-1-1. I think we take her to the hospital.

I think so. This is the girlfriend that calls this time, the son's girlfriend. She says, my boyfriend's mom just had a seizure about an hour ago and they said to call back if she's been acting weird or anything. And she's acting very strange, you know, knowing where dead bodies are and stuff. Is that normal seizure behavior? Clairvoyance of dead friends? Is that a thing that happens when you have a seizure? I don't know.

I haven't had one yet, so I'm not positive. I'm told she seized and now there's bodies. So come by. She knows where they are and she's going. She knows where there's Publix bags involved. I don't know. Just come over, I think. We should probably take her there.

So they take her to the hospital and they run tests and all that shit. And they can't find anything medically that would cause a seizure on her. Everything looks fine. They, you know, release her from the hospital. She goes home. What the fuck else are you going to do? So, Jesus Christ, this she goes back to the now she's talking about this dream again such a dream and the kids are like mom what the fuck here um she called graham into the bedroom

and she's like i had a bad dream i see kelly's face and it's in the dark and i'm it's all this shit here so uh by the way when they telephone the grandmother this is the grandmother's quote quote graham just said to me, Margaret, we need you. We need you. First of all, who calls their grandmother Margaret? Yeah, why are you calling her by her first name? Not even like Maggie or something short. Margaret.

Marge, nothing. Very formal. Yeah. Margaret, we need you. We need you. So she drove over there. She said when she got there that Sheila was curled up in a fetal position on the bed uh-huh she said quote she was shaking from head to toe she said call the police

and i said what happened she said mom everything's black everything's black and all i can see is kelly's face wow huh what's that now that's why she called the paramedics like you sound nuts i'm not calling anybody so uh that's pretty fucking amazing it was graham that said to me margaret i think moms killed kelly that's what so now grandma's like um um this is crazy why do you believe that? Well, she hears why, and then she calls 911. She agrees. Margaret calls 911. Okay. And she says, quote, we just need a policeman, please. Talk about it when he gets here.

I don't want to be on recording about this. Just send him over and we'll have a chit chat. What do you say? Is Joe around? I like Joe if he's there. Like, we just need a policeman, please. 911 said, what's the problem? Please.

And Margaret, grandma says, quote, I think there's been a murder. Maybe. Question mark. Question mark. My daughter has had a nervous breakdown and she's saying she killed somebody. So she's kind of like, I don't know if this is real or if she's just kind of freaking out or what. 911 says, your daughter's telling you she killed somebody. And she says, yes.

Like, duh, stupid, what did I just say? Speak English? Great. 911 says, all right. She didn't tell you who she's saying she killed, did she? Like, you're not going to make this whole case for you. She doesn't have a full confession ready that you can give through me right can you wrap this up real quick so we don't have to deal with court and shit i mean it's really a lot if we could just send us

on the right path so grandma says she's saying i don't know kelly whatever like she doesn't know kelly some fucking kelly yeah so 9-1-1 says did she tell you where this happened? And Margaret says, it's down Mark's Landing. So she tells the cops that. They have the information. Kelly, if it's a small town, there's probably not a lot of missing women in one night, I would assume. So one missing Kelly there, one person who says they killed a Kelly over here. Let's figure this out here. So the police arrive

obviously they'll get over there pretty quick for that one in quick succession yeah they'll be there yeah uh amber lee clay is a not as an officer that responds to the 911 call and she says that that sheila reports to her quote that she had a bad dream and she believes that she may have hurt somebody and that she said she told me that she believed it may be kelly and she ended up saying quote i believe i hurt somebody and i hurt somebody bad it may have been kelly so she's uh this is what she says to the first responding officer not even a detective who's sitting her down in a room on the other side of the table yeah yeah this is just somebody somebody call 9-1-1 and they're like yeah let me fill you in on the whole thing and she's like a bad dream dead body i think it's her it's almost like you'd almost

want to cut her off and be like you're gonna have to repeat this like a whole shitload of times and i never to me so right i'm good and i'm gonna have to testify now thanks asshole and appreciate it wednesday for me in like six months it's overtime though it is overtime you know what thanks actually because we want to put a deck on the back of the house and um this could help we appreciate it not a lot of ot in india atlantic police department you know kind of a nine to five job here so she said uh i she ended up, I believe I heard somebody may have been Kelly. So this is amazing. She keeps rambling. She's making statements. The police said, I believe I hurt someone. I keep seeing Kelly's face to the point where they were like, I guess it's I guess maybe she killed someone. At first, they were just like, oh, she's been to the hospital already. 911's been here. She's had a seizure.

Maybe she's just tripping out. But she keeps persisting. So finally, the police said, quote, we may have a homicide on our hands. They called in on the radio. Who knows? Bring the detectives over. Fuck it. Tell so-and-so to put a suit on and get his ass over here.

Have we got a homicide department send them by if we do shit okay cool that's pretty cool how come no one ever told me i would have joined that that sounds awesome i want i want to wear a suit pretty sweet gig i want one of those lanyards where it swings around my neck the badge you know and i can like run and it swings back and forth like fucking chris maloney in like 1998 you know what i'm saying i want one of those like dotted chain that one yeah yeah the lanyard deal yeah the metal chain that's that's what this guy won they're like come on the dog tag chain with a yeah with the bat the leather yeah where you just show we walk onto the crime scene you just flip it up at the uniformed officers like obviously it's hanging

around my neck thumb forefinger this is me that's me right there that's if you you don't have time to clip it onto your onto your waistband no that's for fucking losers they didn't even give you one of those chain things fucking dude that means you're not they don't think anything of you that just means they don't like you at all you're not going to get a promotion you're out dude where's the chain lanyard guy you're out you don't have one of those top dog they don't like you at all. You're not going to get a promotion. You're out, dude. Where's the metal chain lanyard guy? You're out. You don't have one of those. He's a top dog.

You don't have one of those ceiling fan pull chains with a fucking lanyard on it? No? Shit. So she's doing that, and we may have a homicide on our hands. Detectives, then they call in and tell the detectives this. We do have a homicide cool and they said on the other line quote wait a minute we had a missing person report last night of Kelly Brennan that's a Kelly and they're like oh and everybody starts to put two and two together

and go is this could this be a thing and she told another officer that she may have hurt my friend Kelly she's telling her I may then another officer said that she that she may have hurt my friend Kelly. She's telling her I may. Then another officer said that she said she may have killed Kelly. So she's going through the whole list of statements here. She said that she told them that Kelly was bothering her husband, like screwing up the divorce with her husband. And so she was upset with her.

And that was her reasoning, basically. Sheila talks to the police and Sheila says, you know, I keep seeing her face and that I heard her. And the police officer said, well, that's not good, which I just think is a great line. Oh, that's not good. said well that's not good which i just think is a great line oh that's not good so uh anyway um now kelly brennan the police go down there and they're told to go to mark's landing and look around you'll find kelly brennan they go down there they can't find her oh they can't find her they look all over the place and they're like is this fucking lady like maybe she just had a seizure maybe she had a stroke and maybe she's seeing shit lying She's lying to us. Maybe she's lying to us.

Maybe she did kill her but put her somewhere else. Who the fuck knows what's going on? But then finally, a helicopter is deployed, and they finally find her from a helicopter. And the pilot said that he located her, and she was partially clothed and had blunt force trauma to the head. Some of her clothes are gone, huh? Yeah, and that could be animals after a night. We're not sure here. They said they spotted the ground, spotted the body.

This is the Lieutenant Coppola. This is, I believe, the pilot here. He says, yeah, Pilot John Coppola. He says, we noticed her legs sticking out from the bushes a little bit and the kind of lower part of her torso. We landed, and I got out of the helicopter and ran over i saw a lot of trauma to her head it's a very sad moment to see someone dead like that yeah sure yeah uh this by the way wasn't just some trauma to some part of her head this was repeated violent blows to her head in different areas, as the medical examiner put it.

Destroyed her head. Some on the right side, some on the back of her head, and many on the whole left side of her head. So just from all fucking angles, an absolute, somebody beat her head in. I mean, seriously, like destroyed her head. So the associate medical examiner said that she suffered multiple injuries, fractured fractures to her skull, multiple fractures to her skull, any of which could have been fatal, by the way. So this was just overkill.

Testified later on, this medical examiner that the wounds to her head were consistent with being inflicted by a hammer. Yikes. Oh, my God. Jesus Christ. Raining blows down upon someone's head with a hammer is disgusting. A right-handed somebody with a hammer, right? Oh, my God. Well, it was all over the place, though.

Oh, good point. So they were all over. And you don't know if it's- On the front left? The back of her head, the side of her head. The thing is, if you hit someone with a hammer they're going to go down and then wherever you're beating them then is kind of as they're flailing and rolling or if they end up stopping then you're going to just hit that side you're not going to

get too many square shots from a standing position with a hammer probably before someone goes down especially you know someone who's not huge or used to getting hit in the head with fucking objects maybe if you hit like a pro boxer in the head they might kind of be a little shook but if you hit some chick on the way to her training class yeah probably probably so yeah this is brutal man so that's it's hammer she also has defensive wounds on her forearms and hands as well so she definitely was aware this was happening to her trying to keep it from going they said that uh there isn't a whole lot of physical evidence except they do find some of kelly's dna in the passenger the front passenger area of sheila's car oh that's not good they find

that no but they're also we're friends so they they don't know if, you know what I mean? She could easily say that, yeah, she's been in my car before. So they never find this hammer. They're looking everywhere for this hammer, and they cannot find it. And there's that. So, Jesus Christ, people freak out about Kelly once it comes out that she's been killed, by the way. She had a lot of friends, and at the hospital, she was beloved and her patients. It's hard. One of the, Lou Lervasi, it was a friend of hers, and a nurse with her at the local hospital,

and kayaked with her as well. And he said, or she said, I'm not sure, she was so alive, she was always running around doing things, so it was hard to know that she was dead it was just a total shock um so she said her she was you know her friendship everybody loved working with her she you know was a really good nurse and a nice person and a good friend she said or they said quote kelly was beautiful when she came into the room it was like glamorous she was patient oriented wasn't afraid to take charge we called her the sarge oh yeah so it was it was um you know she was very well beloved they had like

they made a whole like corner in the hospital dedicated to her and all this shit like she was super beloved now sheila they go and arrest sheila this, obviously. Right away, yeah. She's getting arrested here. She calls her son, Creighton, from jail, and she says, this is an amazing quote to get from your mom. Hello. Collect call from blah, blah, blah. Yeah, I'll accept the charges. Yeah, that's great. She says, quote, I'm going to be in jail for a very long time, okay?

Okay. Okay is the weirdest way to end that with a question mark. Okay like negotiate this so i should order pizza what are you telling me what does that mean just try the whole catalog variety of flavors of hot pockets that's how we're going to work this she then says they're charging me with first degree murder. So that's difficult. She hires a defense attorney, Todd Durat, Dara Tanny. And, um, yeah, now this guy says, yeah, okay. Sure. She said she had a dream and told him exactly where the body was and all that stuff.

But the case isn't open and shut. Now let's not go crazy. Sure. She says she killed her and knew where the body was no one else did and we couldn't even find it without a fucking helicopter on her own but still we it can't be you know it's not open and shut uh he also says quote she says but it's not true i didn't do it the police didn't have dna they didn't have fingerprints witnesses they don't have any blood that matches sheila trot so they're like, this is ridiculous, this guy.

Like, oh, what are we talking about? He says, looks like you've got, at minimum, a case of reasonable doubt. Oh, it's for the children, everybody. Minimum. Minimum. He says, absolutely reasonable doubt. It's a dream case. Oh, Jesus.

She made several statements completely confessing to murdering her friend dream that's not a dream case ever so so you have a confess oh you led the you told them where the body was okay when you're writing that down as an attorney as the point you're not going open and shut this is going to be easy you're going fuck how where'd they find the glove behind the guest jesus christ come on oj what how was their blood on your sock okay on your socks okay we'll work You're going, fuck. Where did they find the glove? Behind the guest. Jesus Christ. Come on, OJ. How was their blood? On your socks? Okay.

On your socks. Okay. We'll work it out. All right. No, no. That's okay. It's okay. We'll figure it out.

Maybe you were. I don't know. We'll work it. So it's a bad one. So he says there's little physical evidence because, and the prosecutors say that's because Sheila planned it that way. She didn't want to get caught. She wasn't going to save physical evidence.

They said, quote, it's not like she all of a sudden found out that Kelly had been having an affair with Dan Trott and confronted her immediately and beat her to death. It was like, she's known about this for a long time. Yeah, this has been still one. Writing emails and everything else. She's been planning this. They went on to say, she'd known this and had been going on for months and months and months she planned to the last detail she's a murderer you don't believe

that she has some supernatural ability that all these facts came to her in a dream is what the prosecutors tell in the press um he says i don't think she's clairvoyant i think she's a killer yeah those are the options she's either an amazing psychic or she murdered her friend there's no there is no in between there there it can't be it's physically impossible so i don't know pick one psychic or or shitty friend which one dream case dream case that's what you have to set the audience up as. Dream case. So the theory here by the prosecution, based on other pieces of evidence and things, is that Sheila waited in Kelly's front yard. Wow. For her.

Hidden the bushes and all that kind of shit. One of those. Then when she came home or when she left, came out of her house dressed in her workout gear attacked her from behind that's the first blow to the back of the head that would have sent her down um and i assume maybe hit her again she's rolling over trying to cover herself yeah and then you just wail on one spot once she like loses consciousness i would imagine um so uh that sheila wade this is the part that bothers me. Okay. Sheila weighed about 115 pounds at the time.

Okay. Now the defense is going to say, how could she have taken this athletic woman down? She's a kayaker. This one, she's very active. She couldn't have taken her down. But the prosecutor's like, she had a hammer. It doesn't matter. Size difference. You lose a lot there if there's a hammer it doesn't matter size difference you lose a lot there if

there's a hammer involved yeah like in boxing lightweights don't fight heavyweights but if you gave the lightweight a hammer i think it's a fair fight now yeah you know jesus christ it evens a lot of odds a hammer my daughter hit me with a softball last night i almost fell down oh yeah we're lucky you're here now she threw. Lucky you didn't need the day off after that. Yeah. A fucking hammer. Here's what they think. Beat her silly with the hammer.

Killed her. The attorney general here, Jim McMaster, describes a possible scenario. He thinks that Sheila wore a protective suit of some kind while wearing while doing this like some kind of some kind of hazmat suit or coveralls or like a painter something like that because the lack of physical evidence around is would have been on her somewhere in her car they can't figure out what happened there but they can't find the murder weapon either but they know yeah yeah now they might go well maybe she didn't do it but then again they're like well then she's psychic so she had to have done it that's it keeps coming back to that she's either perfectly and amazingly clairvoyant or she definitely killed her here's

the part i have okay they say then she carefully cleaned up. The prosecutor said that Sheila then moved Kelly's body about 13 miles to the spot that it was found. And there's that. They also said that, you know, they said, well, she didn't come home to clean up. Where did she clean up? She didn't stop at a gas station. There's no witnesses of a blood covered woman coming in. You beat somebody to death with a fucking hammer.'s blood on you some people are going to see that yeah i don't know it's noticeable the theory is they say well she has access to tons of

property she's a real estate agent with a lockbox and this isn't a digital lockbox like now this is still key boxes right so you can go there and go in anytime you fucking want to clean yourself up you have bathrooms running water she could have set up a whole station in one of these houses and got you know who the fuck knows that's the theory um she went there to clean up then she said she could have left kelly's car because kelly's car was later found uh was later found about a half a mile uh away from kelly's home so they think that she walked there she parked her car there where they ended up finding kelly's car walked there with the suit on with a hammer hidden the bushes and jumped up and killed her uh the prosecutor says quote it was horrific she was lying in wait for kelly when kelly came out of

her house i believe that once she started the attack and knew that kelly wasn't going to be able to fight back that's what it looks like that's when the rage came to the surface like hit her a few times and then was like oh shit i can just unload on her and it's all mine now yeah all me sheila says a different thing though sheila says quote what kind of a murderer could I have been that I didn't leave fingerprints? I didn't leave hair. I had no bruises. I had no broken nails, no cuts on me or anything like that. Nothing connects me to this crime whatsoever. And the prosecutor says this was not a physical fight. This was an ambush where she bashed in this woman's brains with a hammer. She probably didn't have to break a nail to do that what lack what the

lack of physical evidence means to me is how premeditated the crime actually was now um kelly's next door neighbor also says that he saw a blonde woman in kelly's yard that night sheila is blonde yeah this is a problem no other blonde women ever hang out in kelly's front yard so this is an issue here's my problem okay she says well i couldn't i fingerprints this that there's plenty of murders that take place where there's a lack of physical evidence especially if it's an intelligent person a very smart person that fucking knows how to do that that knows you don't leave my hair around put a hair net on put this on put a suit on do whatever you gotta do throw some gloves on and hitting a woman

from behind with a hammer and dropping her and then hitting her with a hammer there's no reason for you to be bruised right there isn't like you wouldn't that's there's not you didn't fight her it's not like you grabbed her by the hair and threw her to the ground or anything like that. Here's my problem. How the fuck did 115 pound Sheila drag her Kelly from the front yard, get her up into her car, apparently into the front passenger seat, because that's the theory. That's where the DNA was found. Get her into the passenger seat. Get her out of the car.

get her into the passenger seat get her out of the car 13 miles away then drag her to a desolated enough spot to where you can't find her unless you have a fucking helicopter and that's exactly where you're going how does that happen getting her into the car i don't think is is as difficult as getting her out of the car that's my thing you could probably you could probably drag her over to the car and dragging a lifeless thing is that's not easy no dead weight you ever heard the term dead weight that's what it is so right away someone's heavier but to get her in there i guess if you could kind of pull up her upper half and then maybe push the lower half and get underneath it and you know what i mean yeah yeah you can if you put it if you don't need to get her like in the seat perfectly either obviously then whatever but how do you get her out of the car and drag her that far into the wilderness or into the you know brush area where she can't be found i that's hard for

someone who's dead body like that no yeah yeah i don't know i don't know how she did that and that's that's what bothers me here like she obviously fucking did it like you I don't know how she did that. And that's what bothers me here. Like, she obviously fucking did it. Like, you just don't know where bodies are for no reason. Yeah. You know, like, I'm sorry. But what, I mean, I don't know, man. I have a theory.

Yeah. But I don't know if it's even something you can even say because it's sort of accusatory. But it's, I don't know, don't know somebody helped is that what you mean someone had to have helped her i'm feeling like physically and there's certain people have had reactions in these stories that were like hmm that's a weird reaction to that or a strange thing like you're on your own mom like i'm not involved in this but i won't call the cops like stuff like that makes me i don't know makes me. I don't know. Like maybe.

I don't know. You know what I'm saying? Maybe and allegedly possibly don't know this. And I don't want to blame these kids because good Christ, if you're these kids and you just came home and your mom's acting weird and then took you to see a fucking dead body and then she killed somebody. What a horrible time for you as a teenager. And I feel terrible. Yeah. dead body and then she killed somebody what a horrible time for you as a teenager and i feel terrible yeah i just don't know i don't know another male or another strong person that she

would lie for and not not try to push blame on you know i'm saying like if it was gino she'd be like me and gino fucking did it he did everything he talked me into it he was the one who was mad that's what you would do to get out of it anybody would if it was dan she would say it was you know what i'm saying but if it was that that's why they keep the theory of oj they keep having the oj it's his son theory because they're like who would he not tell on his son that's the only one everybody else so yeah but i'm not saying that's true or not i'm just saying if you're coming up with crazy harebrained theories yeah that's the only one i can come up with that's even remotely anywhere else makes it yeah um so anyway uh now sheila later on will claim now that she's arrested that she wasn't even mad

at kelly for being really fair with dan now she's like i wasn't even upset about it as a matter of fact emails yeah well she said quote well the fact that i set him up with kelly would you know that would make it a little different wouldn't it now she's saying she set them up together she played matchmaker oh now it wasn't even a problem introduced them it was yeah they said you know you set them up the prosecutor said you set them up and she said yes absolutely she was my ticket out of a bad marriage oh boy that's her story you you set up a married woman with your ex-husband as a ticket out of your bad marriage yeah your friend by the way who you've known since college not just some broad you met That's her story. You set up a married woman with your ex-husband as a ticket out of your bad marriage? Yeah, your friend, by the way, who you've known since college.

Not just some broad you met over here that you don't care about. Your friend. You're going to destroy Gino's life because your marriage sucks. Super strange. She said, quote, in God's honest truth, if I was going to kill anybody, it would have been Dan. So that's it. She said, quote, I did not kill Kelly Brennan. She was the best thing it would have been dan okay so that's it um she said quote i did not kill kelly brennan she was the best thing that could have happened to me she said that she

orchestrated it and all that she said quote i said you know something kelly you and dan would be perfect for each other and she just perked right up and said really and i said yeah but kelly you're gonna have to lose some weight. That's what she said. She's taking fucking shots at her postmortem. But at a dead lady. Yeah. Like, I mean, he likes a thinner woman like me, but obviously you would like, what if that's just shitty, man? I'm sorry. A little more square than he likes it. And Kelly was fine, by the way. That's ridiculous. Also, she was not even heavy. So I don't even know what the hell she's talking about. I've seen all these pictures of her.

She's in great shape. It's cold as fuck. It's cold fucking blood. But that's how there's narcissism, I think, runs deep in that family. If he if the father was Dan had it, too. She. Yeah. Even the divorce attorney, Sheila's divorce attorney, says that Sheila seemed fine with the affair.

She says, quote, and that she really didn't have a problem with Kelly because she knew her. So she knew she'd be very good with the children and really wouldn't be a problem in the divorce is what she said. So now Sheila is now saying that the dream that she had, she has another thing now, the dream I had was actually, you know what it was now? It wasn't a dream. It's actually a memory of witnessing Kelly

being killed by a strange man. I saw the whole thing. That's why I was seen in the yard because I saw the whole thing, but I couldn't do anything about it, obviously. Don't say that at all. As a matter of fact, she says, quote, she was arguing with him and I heard him say, but Kelly. And she said, enough.

And then she went and bent into the car to do something. And I saw him hit her. Oh, my God. It was just a repressed memory. Yeah. She says now that she's been behind bars, her memories all come back to her now. That's what it was. It was coming back spotty.

Yeah. Now, now it's all clear and I've written it all out, you know. So she said she wrote out here, quote, he dragged her into the grass and kept hitting her. And she said that's the answer. Is that what you saw? And she said, yes. And they said she said yes. And I didn't even do anything.

Didn't even help her and she was crying tears they said why didn't you call the police and she said i don't know i don't know not sure you just put yourself with the crime scene are you out of your fucking mind i mean while the murder was happening not even like well yeah my footprints were there because i came by earlier and she wasn't home that's something that like a criminal would say to try to get out of that. She was like, oh, no. Yeah, I was watching her be murdered just by a stranger, though. I don't know who the fuck it was.

That's not a good story. That's I just said that's not a good story. That's not. It's not a good story. I'll tell you what, Jimmy. It's a Jimmy Whisman. He's not a good story. OK, so by the way, fuck that.

I should play Mario. Let me play Mario. Fuck this shit. Who's playing him fucking chris pratt stop it i swear to god i know it's a okay i understand that it's a cartoon and it's like the most offensive stereotype going but if you're going to depict people in offensive fucking stereotypes at least let one of the fucking people you're doing this to fucking play that part chris pratt gets enough goddamn movie roles he doesn't need to play how often does a fucking italian guy come up in a movie role that doesn't have anything to do with the sopranos fucking storyline it doesn't unless they're going to make saints of newark prequels for the next 20

fucking years these are the only jobs these actors have. Let them fucking get it. For Christ's sake. Also, Chris Pratt, isn't Mario supposed to be out of shape? Like, what the fuck is happening? It's not live action. It's cartoon, I think. Oh, he's just voicing the character? I think it's a voice, yeah. And we're getting that guy to do it.

Yeah, because he's famous. And you go, Chris Pratt's the voice of Mario. No, Captain Lou Albano is fucking Mario mario remember that's who's mario or for some reason i'll accept bob hoskins from the 90s too that's fine as well but not this shit anyway chris pratt fuck out of here with that bullshit are you no okay so she says that uh she's gonna be a terrible accent like fucking elon musk playing wario on yeah snl that was the most unconvincing piece of shit i've ever seen well yeah that's all yeah that's why you don't let that's why you don't let fucking tech entrepreneurs host comedy shows that's why

billionaires they're not funny they're not funny a fun little passion project out of the house oh fuck you they're not yeah they're hilarious i'm sure oh so you're a tech genius and you're hilarious some tells me probably not those sides of the brain don't fucking mingle together tell you what you're one or the other you're either clairvoyant or a murderer and you're either a fucking rocket genius or some science genius or whatever the fuck math genius or you're fucking funny one of the two you don't get it all so sheila told a friend of hers all of this in a letter to her uh she claims in this letter that she decided to stop at kelly's house that night night to ask Kelly to stop driving by her house looking for Dan.

So I told her, look, this is that's my house. I'll come to your house. She said, it's so crazy. The exact moment I arrived, I saw a strange man attacking Kelly. It was so weird. And they said, well, how would you describe the man who was with Kelly? I mean, you were there. Hopefully, let's get a description of him. And she said it was just too dark. It was too dark. Couldn't see. I mean, you know, you don't want to get a closer look. Yeah. Yeah. So they have that. The prosecutor said this letter is a confession. That's what this is. She sent a letter to her friend and she says it's not a confession letter. That's my account of what happened that evening. That's one of those.

That's your story. That's really your story that you fucking. So you've told us two things. You've said that you were there. You were there at the exact time she was murdered. And then, you know, exactly where she was disposed of. Right. And you're telling me that you didn't

do it no you're fine so uh jesus christ she says that next up she's got a totally new story sheila it's totally she's like i don't know what i was thinking seizures you know messes it up so she said uh now she said first i thought that know, she before she said she saw this happening and then the guy got her in the car and then she just like ran away because she was so scared. This time she's like, I was scared, but I didn't go to the police station and I didn't run for my life. I followed them. Yeah, that's how I knew because that's how I knew where she was. I followed them and watched him dispose of the body and then followed him to the vacant lot where he disposed of the belongings. Just kept following? Well, when you're killing someone in the middle of the night, there's people behind you.

You don't look. Yeah, you really look in your rear view. You don't make sure you're not being tailed to three different locations while you dispose of a body. That's fine, right? You pull out of the driveway. She pulls out behind you on the street. You're that's i'm sure someone was just having to go out right now happened to go to the same spot on the beach i'm going no problem landing having to go to the empty lot yeah un-fucking-believable so that is her story that's her story because they're like

well you have to you have to account for how you knew where the body was you you can't just say i saw it and I'm clarifying. No one's buying that shit. So now her new thing is, I watched it all happen. I followed them down there. I watched her being disposed of, and then I just went home. And the lawyer's going, come on, give me something. The lawyer's like, for the love of God, really.

I said it was a dream case. Help, I didn't say nightmare. Okay, it's a dream case. Help. I didn't say nightmare. Okay. It's a dream case right here. Oh, boy. Her kids, she now says the kids brought her to the body spot, not the other way around. Also, that's another thing. Her kids, she saw the murder and witnessed it and saw the disposing and witnessed that whole thing, but then her kids knew where the body was somehow.

Got it. Okay. and witnessed that whole thing, but then her kids knew where the body was somehow. Got it. Okay. So they ask her, why would you take your two teenage sons out to Mark's Landing and show them where the body was?

And she said, the kids took me. Yeah. Yeah, they took, they said, Ma, we're going down there. Because she said Mark's Landing, that's what she's saying. And so then they took her there, and they walked right up to the body. They're way better than the police search team with the canines right way better my two sons in the fucking dark one of them doesn't even have hair fucking i don't know how that would help you find

things better but for some reason an 18 year old kid with hair is bad at finding a body in the dark i don't know why but he's he's bad at it the moon lights in his eyes i don't know something so there's no hair no hair i think probably knows where multiple bodies are probably because he's so upset about life kids upset at the world and made the bodies so they said she said the kids took me they said no you led them to the place and she said no i didn't take them right to the body we walked around and we were just on our way out when we saw her feet wise guy like what do you think of that wow um so they said why is it when your mother came over to the house you

didn't tell her we just got back from mark's landing where you know we saw my dead friend anything on there? She said, you'd have to ask the kids that. I don't know if it really ever came up. Came up? It never came up? What the fuck else? What have you been up to tonight?

Not much. I mean, what else can come up besides we went and saw a dead body with the kids? Holy shit. It didn't come up, Jimmy. It's difficult. And they said, quote, Sheila, it didn't come up jimmy it's it's it's difficult and they said quote sheila it didn't come up you've just been to see a dead body a woman whose skull was crushed and she said well when my mom came in i was in bed and she woke me up i don't remember the conversation very well your friend it wasn't even a stranger no it wasn't even like yeah i just saw this dude who's normally like sleeping under the bridge and I see him jamming hypodermic needles into his arm all the time.

I just he was laying there. No, this is my friend. And her head skull was caved in. So you set up with your ex-husband, you say? Yeah, obviously. So the interview here with the fucking with the police department sergeant baker according to the recorded interview here uh sheila told him that she had a dream this is her official story kelly been brad badly hurt she was concerned about kelly she never said that she was involved in hurting kelly and she never

admitted to hurting kelly she said i don't know if it was a dream or a memory or what but I woke up and it just startled me um she said uh he I said I'm worried about Kelly I think Kelly's hurt everything was black she was arguing with someone and I saw the sign for Mark's Landing and they said in this dream was Kelly dead and she said no so did you see her bloody body no did you see her body at Mark's Landing no did you hurt Kelly no i would never hurt kelly i would have never hurt kelly okay no um she also says it's probably gino i mean i'm sure it was gino that was bashing her skull and duh guys what are you thinking here gina everybody police gino's the only person who knew where kelly specifically was that evening. That's what Sheila says. Which, no, she had a specific time that she worked out all the time.

It was set. And she was at her house. It's not like she was at some weird location she'd never been before. She left her house. If you were looking for her, that'd be the first place you'd check, I would think, right? So they asked her, it sounds like you think Gino's the killer. She said, quote, I'm not going to say who I think it is. Gino could absolutely do it.

Kelly wanted out of that marriage. So the prosecutors are like, yeah, but he has a really strong alibi, like an amazing alibi. He's on a security video from a drugstore in a whole other town, just in a whole other like far hour away. No possible way he could be there for this he's literally on film in a drugstore that can't be there wrong person to blame and then scott vickers the next door neighbor he'll he'll tell the police that he saw a blonde woman not a man on the lawn that light definitely a smaller woman definitely not a man blonde hair saw it happen so um they uh they asked sheila what do you think about the the contention that you were wearing some sort of hazmat suit and sheila

said quote that's the most ridiculous thing i've ever heard we're next to disney world why didn't they just put me in a mickey mouse suit are you serious? This is on an interview on television. She said that. Why did they put me? So far-fetched, right? She's funny. She is. She's a spark plug. Also, then they find a letter given to his attorney,

her old attorney, Duratani, I'm sorry, by Kim Meredith, a friend of hers, that contained her confession there. Yeah, obviously saying that we read you the letter before. And it was this is referred to back and forth as the phantom letter, as the confession letter. At one hearing, she says that the letter never existed. She says that the letter never existed and that and then at one point she says she wrote many letters and she doesn't know if one of them was this letter they're talking about.

So it's very fucking weird here. Now, I have her handwritten and we did it at the virtual live show, just showed you the handwritten, but we didn't read it because we were out of time. But here we have the time. We're going to read her letter. Want to read her letter? Write in her fucking handwriting and everything. Okay. Quote, I saw Kelly in the drive.

I couldn't pull in the drive because there was another car there. So I parked on the next street to the right. When I got out of the car and headed to the house, I hear voices and recognize Kelly's voice and that of a man. I looked up and saw her in the front doorway, him standing in the path. It seemed like it wasn't a pleasant conversation. She says, I headed back to my car. Also, I didn't want to discuss this in front of someone else. Don't drive by my house.

I got in the car and I turned around to leave. When I turned the car around, I could see the front of steps, steps, house, steps, house. I don't know that guy who she was talking to. The guy who she was talking to was pacing in front of the car parked in the drive. He had his hands on the top of his head and his body motion movements looked like he wasn't happy. I couldn't see his face but i didn't recognize his figure either he had his back to the road while he leaned on the trunk so that's what she says i should have left but i didn't i got nosy my first and immediate thought was while the mouse is away the cat must play so she thought that kelly was banging this guy too in her mind like oh look at

what's happening here um get information to tell dan well her next line is at the time i was actually laughing inside about it dan was getting what he deserved they're perfect for each other like good there you go i wanted to see if he would leave i turned the car off and sat and watched for a while he didn't move. After a considerable amount of time, she came out and he went to her at the front door. I had the car windows rolled up so I couldn't hear anything, and I think I was just too far away anyway. I backed the car into a drive and parked it on the other side of the street. What are you talking about?

This didn't happen. If you're going to murder someone in the front yard, you're definitely aware of cars pulling in and out of driveways and you're not doing this just some car manipulating itself back and forth around the street yeah you're gonna notice that they were parked on the street now they're backed into some other person's driveway i'm sure that's normal keep hearing this car start up shut off start up shut off right headlights on and on i left the car and walked toward the house and could hear them arguing they weren't yelling at each other just arguing i was still on the other side of the street uh afraid to get any uh afraid to get what is this to get out uh okay what about i wanted to figure out what they were arguing

about because the relationship appeared to be more intimate than friendly. He was very agitated. So I walked around the block. So I would be at the furthest end of her property. So rather to walk in front of her house, she just went around the block to get to the other side of it, which is pretty psychotic. Anyway, that's wild.

I stayed at the corner of the house across the street, and just as I got there, I saw that he was standing beside her while she opened the door behind the driver's seat. She fumbled with something and then walked around to the other side of the car slash truck. While she was on the other side of the truck, he reached into the truck, but I didn't see if he put something in or took something out it was hard to see because he was in the way when she came back out to the driver's side i heard him say but kelly she put her left hand up with the key still in them because i heard them rattle and said enough i told you i was done with you now go away i have plans for the evening that's when he hit her she went down and he hit her two more times he dragged her into the grass and kept hitting her i lost it i felt the blood rush

rush out of my arms and legs and i started to shake i got scared and i ran for it i ran across the lawn uh the lawns at the other side uh ran across the lawns at the other side of the house. Sorry, it's in her handwriting, so it's hard to see here. She's running across a lawn. No one's seeing this, by the way. She's totally invisible, this woman. She's clairvoyant and invisible. She's got a lot of qualities that I'd like to have myself. She's a superhero.

She could do some good. I would say. I had to stop running because my legs were shaking so bad. I tried walking, and I was stammering. For some reason, I couldn't manage to walk in a straight line. I ended up sitting on the curb for a moment. I got up and tried to walk again, but I kept walking to my left like the world was on a tilt. I ended up running into a hedge.

Okay. I pushed along and then went down. I think I passed out. Maybe another seizure. I don't know how long I was out, but when I woke up, I tried standing and was a bit steadier.. By the time I got to my car, I was even better. I got into the car and sat for a moment. My mind was blank. It was the oddest feeling, but I was numb and my mind was empty. I started the car and turned around in the street.

Again, I was able to see Stephanie's house to the left. I saw that guy walk to the back of Steph's house or Steph's drive, so I turned off the car lights. He came back with a hose and put it in the back seat of Kelly's truck. That's when I noticed that the truck was facing a different direction because before it was driven into the drive. Now it was backed in. After he put the hose in the back seat, he got in and headed toward. I don't know what that is. I think it's a

road i can't make out like a fool i followed him uh don't ask me why but i did that's the important part here yeah here's my story don't ask me any questions when he got to whatever that road is he made a left he was be i was behind him far enough that when i reached that road i had to uh i had to try to uh shit that part's hard to read anyway we'll go over to here probably i saw him make a right into a vacant lot as i passed the lot i slowed down and saw him take some bags out of the back seat and put them near the bushes i turned on that road again and pulled over in the shoulder and watched the lot it wasn't too long before he pulled

out and headed south i followed him south and for some reason jesus christ dude you have a cell phone this is 2011 hi police yeah i just watched my friend get brutally murdered by a guy i followed him to the spot where he deposed his uh disposed of the body i'm behind him right now if you want to know where he is to come pick him up, probably. I just saw him hose out the truck. This isn't I couldn't get to a phone. I was scared. Call on the fucking phone.

Call 911 on speakerphone while you're driving and fucking go. What are you talking about? I just saw a man shoot water into a vehicle after pummeling my friend to death. This is insanity, man. He turned off and went through residential streets. I was expecting him to go to a house, but he never did. He kept going down through Melbourne Beach, past the Publix and further south. I was getting concerned because I was driving a long way and I was just about to give up when he made a left into a beach access.

I passed the access and turned around at the next street I got to. I went back up whatever that street was, passed the access, turned around again, and I remember it was really dark when I headed back to the access. I saw the sign for Mark's Landing on my right, so I pulled in. I stopped immediately in the entrance and looked through the back window.

Kelly's truck was pulled into the beach access, and I could see the interior light on. I saw him standing on the other side of the car and pulling something out of the passenger side this guy is blind to everything he's he only sees things that are about four feet in a circle around him focused on the task at hand he's a great employee he is he really is this guy maybe this is one of the guys we need to get for uh politics like we talked about he's a really studious he's a go-getter he's a go-getter i couldn't see very well because

it was really dark but the light from the car was enough for me to see that it was her as soon as i saw him uh pull her from the car i panicked oh my god i turned the car around and pulled on to whatever road here quickly as i could and headed north i don't remember how much of the details on the drive home but i'm sure i took the usual route straight up, whatever that is. A1A, is that a road? Oh, Beach for Camelot. There you go, A1A. I couldn't believe I had seen what I saw.

I could finally see it clearly in her handwriting. It was scribbled always. I know I was worried about my breathing. I just could not believe I was afraid and I didn't know what to do i had did nothing to stop what i now as new happened and i did nothing to get help i needed to get home when i got home i pulled into the drive and noticed the something light on i went into the house and took off my shoes put on my slippers and put on uh my something on the stairs when i was at the bottom of the stairs, I heard the TV on upstairs in Graham's room. I called up to Ariel and asked if Graham was home, and they both replied.

I went out the back door to the shed and grabbed a large something can and headed to the front gate. I walked out the gate to the car and began pulling. I had a meeting the next day at work, and I didn't want to be bothered with stopping for gas. I don't know why. While I was filling the car with gas, okay, began filling. Okay, there we go. She put, oh, my God, she put gas from a gas tank in her car that night. She got a gas can?

Like a gas can. Didn't stop at the gas station, you know, because they have receipts for where you are when you stop at gas station right wow um so that's why she did that she didn't want to be bothered stopping for gas in the morning i don't know why i just figured i'd fill up at home that night like everybody does while i was filling the car with gas graham and ariel came out the side door to the garage i'm sure to do laundry they looked in my direction and i told them i needed to make sure they filled the car when they said it was because they had used it the day before. And whatever. Okay.

Well, I was talking to the kids. I felt gas spill on my slippers. A whole tank full she's putting in. How much gas? A large gas can, I guess so. On her slippers. Holy shit. So much.

It's pouring out. She fucking overfilled it. It went right through to my feet. I stopped putting gas in the car and went through the gate to the shed. Then I lit my slippers on fire for a cool fucking rock and roll moment. My kids were like, yeah, yeah, mom's the coolest. Check out the hook while my DJ revolves it. That didn't happen.

I wish it did. I put the tank away and I went back to the front gate and shut it. Then I went to the car to make sure it was locked. I went to the house and Graham followed me right behind. I, when I got to the bottom of the stairs, I started to get dizzy and feel weak in my legs. I grabbed the bookshelf with my left hand and the wall with my right. Graham saw me and grabbed me from behind. He asked if I was okay. And I told him I felt like I was going to faint. My legs started to go weak, and I told Graham to let me sit. Let me sit right where I was because I couldn't move my legs.

I sat down right in the entryway. My head started thrashing back and forth, and I thought I was going to hit the wall, so I grabbed my head to protect it. Graham wanted to call 911, but I told him I thought it was just a seizure. Just a seizure. No worries. Just put a wallet in my mouth.'s fine one with a k on it yeah we got one um i grab uh i had to protect it my head wouldn't stop thrashing and my speech

started to get worse the left side of my face went numb and i had a hard time speaking that sounds like a stroke you should probably check into that i leaned forward with my legs out to the left to protect my head when i did this the smell of something got worse aw root beer a and w root beer i don't know what the hell it says oh from my slippers it has to be gas just scribbled here um i told ariel i wanted to get the smell out of the house she took my slippers off and i kept hearing graham telling me that he needed to call 9. I wasn't getting any better. I had no feelings in my legs. Blah, blah, blah. I asked Ariel to move my legs in front of me, hoping I would get feeling in them so I could move to the couch.

Jesus Christ, man. I thought I would be mortified if they found me on the floor. The moment she moved my legs, I wet my pants and it kept on coming. Yeah, that's a stroke. I was so embarrassed. Yeah. Or pretend whatever the fuck is happening because that's what it is. Yeah.

Some people do wet their pants during a seizure. I've heard of that. I asked Ariel to get a towel. The whole time she was going on my head started to slow down after i wet myself and my speech began to improve my vision vision started to go and i couldn't focus um graham came back in the living room and scooped me up and put me on the couch i saw ariel wipe the mess while graham put a blanket under me to protect the couch from my wet pants um she then talks about she couldn't had a hard time talking about talking to the paramedic and said they wanted to take me to the hospital for tests but I didn't want to go because of the

expense we hear a lot of this by the way people in other countries are like what you think you might have had a stroke you're you went numb and wet your pants and you can't move but you didn't go to the hospital yes because in case there is nothing wrong now you're in debt for the rest of your life right you're gonna be in debt for a hundred thousand dollars that's literally what it is that's that's your whole you're fucked right there yeah done so the ride in the ambulance is like 15 grand yeah it's for everything is so fucking expensive um he did say so they said they leave there, but if they came back, they'd have to take her to the hospital. She said she felt better after that. She walked around.

You know, people, Graham was helping her. She said that I was wet and I heard Graham tell me I needed to get to go to bed, but I insisted. But I insisted. I stripped down in the bathroom and got in the shower. Graham sat on the toilet and then uh and then ariel while i showered send the girlfriend in there for that that's just jesus i get the concern but yeah i got out of the shower not that it was like a perverted thing it's just just weird yeah exactly i got out of the shower and asked ariel to put my clothes in the hamper and i went to bed. I woke up with Graham sitting on the bed holding my hand.

I asked him what he was doing, and I said I was – I asked him what he was doing, and he said I was walking and talking and walking around and acting weird. I told him that he was nuts and that I'd been asleep, and then he got all worried about me and called 911 again. I got upset because they said they'd make me go to the hospital. and called 911 again. I got upset because they said they'd make me go to the hospital. When the paramedics came back, the one said something about my promise to go with them, but that he first wants to take some tests.

He ran some tests and made me get up. I walked up and down the stairs. I heard them tell Graham that he could ride up front. That's when she went to the hospital and then ended up coming back and all that type of shit. You don't need the hospital stuff. Creighton and I wrote up front. I don't remember anything being said on the way home.

Here we go. I went to sleep and woke up with my heart racing. I had a nightmare that woke me and scared me to death. In my nightmare, it was dark. I could see Kelly's face and she appeared to be arguing. I saw the sign for Mark's landing. At the time, it was a nightmare, but in retrospect, it may have been something different. I'm not even sure now if I was even asleep, but I have had to have been. I was so shaken that I

called Graham into the room. I told him that I had a really bad dream that I thought something happened to Kelly. Graham told me that Kelly was fine and that he was sure the dream was no big deal. He was insistent that it was because of my seizure, and started to think maybe he was right to try to get me to calm down. Graham said, let's go down to Mark's landing and you'll see nobody is there. Okay. So, uh, I would go, I said, I'll just go. And he said, no, all four of us will go group outing. Yeah.

Graham went and got Ariel. See, this is my thought. Why I thought the sons might've helped her with the body. Not that I think that. Alleged, alleged, alleged. The only reason why I said that is because for them to go down there, that would give a plausible thing of why their shoe prints would be down there and stuff like that. So that's the only thing I could think of her trying to get them out of trouble. Because she doesn't go from being really smart and planning this whole crime and covering up and having all's on and a vacant property to change on and then just turn into a complete.

Yeah. You know, noodnik. Yeah. For all over nowhere. For all the planning and execution of it. The the the follow up is trash. That's what I mean. So they go to Mark's Landing and we walk from the south entrance along the bushes.

I remember the bushes were really thick, so we didn't have to go into them far. We walked counterclockwise, and we were almost out of the north entrance when I saw the marks in the sand. I started to get flashes of a bad feeling. It can't be explained. I headed up to the bushes and asked Creighton for his phone but he wouldn't give me he wouldn't give it to me um then he turned his flashlight on i saw legs and said oh my god it's her all i saw were legs and i turned around and told creighton to come but he moved closer to the bushes when ariel and graham heard me they moved toward creighton and i heard ariel say i want to

see oh i called i called to the kids said, we need to get out of here. And they came. We got into the car and headed north. We were talking, but I don't remember what we said. All four of us were shocked. I know. And I didn't know what to do. As we were heading home, Graham was asking me about the nightmare.

He asked me if I had seen anything else. And I said, no. Then I told him what I had seen. And I also told him about the vacant lot I had seen I had a dream about it that's starting to the east of the ocean and a cleared lot with some bags and boxes I told Graham it didn't seem like it would be associated because it wasn't as violent as the other dream as we drove to as we got back to Ocean Avenue I told Creighton we had better check it out he asked if I have any idea where the lot Ocean Avenue. I told Creighton we had better check it out.

He asked if I have any idea where the lot might be. And I told him that it appeared to look like the vacant lot in Indy Atlantic where where they cleared it out for a building. She's like, that's what it looks like in my dream. I'd say, you know, the aerial here and we got to get aerial aerial out of the house. She just said she wanted to see a dead. Yeah, I want to see a dead body. We got to kick that bitch out. Yeah, she's dark, man. She's dark.

One of the kids in the back, either Ariel or Graham, spotted the pile and said, there they are. I think it was Ariel, but not sure. Creighton pulled the car over and I got out and grabbed a pile of bags in one scoop. There were no boxes. The only thing I remember from the bags is that one of them was bright green. That's the Publix one. When I picked up the bags, a lot of dirt fell on my legs, so I asked for a towel. Let's see.

When we got home, we went right out to the backyard because of all the dirt. I told one of the kids to pass me a tarp that was there. I put the pile of bags on the tarp, and we all just stared at it. Ariel went to grab for one and said, look, it's a purse. The three of us said without said without said, don't touch a thing. The moment Ariel recognized that one bag as a one bag was a purse. My heart sank and I knew I had to do something. Told the kids to leave the bags and that I was going to get rid of them.

I put the tarp in with the bags. Why would you say I'm going to go get rid of them? Why would you do that? Call the police. What do you need to get rid of that for? I got to dispose of this evidence that doesn't incriminate me. I just really do. People love disposing of evidence for other people just without them even knowing.

So she said I made a right on the first street and then head north. I was driving. I was getting scared because none of it made any sense to me i had absolutely no recollection it was going on i thought i was losing my mind she talks about all this shit um she says i recognized the knife right off the bat i was catering saturday morning she's talking about this shit now she's fucking losing her mind through these letters she said she's not a killer is the thing and she did it and now she doesn't know how to fucking stop it all yeah how to stop this

shit from happening she said one of the kids told her that I thought I may have killed Kelly and my mom held my hand and said Sheila you need to get help you're having a nervous breakdown so that's what the mother said my mom said we need to get help. You're having a nervous breakdown. So that's what the mother said. My mom said, we need to call the police and get you get you help. And so she said,

go ahead and call the police. So that was it. She called the police. And yeah, she said she remembers several police officers coming in. She told him about the bad dream and all that kind of shit. All I heard him say on the phone was he was, she says this, I never saw the kids again. And when there was somebody left in my room, nobody left in my room, I got to take a shower. When I went back into the bedroom to put my nightshirt on, I was standing in the front window and heard an officer out front talking. I went to the window. It was Mr. Kent. an officer out front talking.

I went to the window. It was Mr. Kent. All I heard him say on the phone was, we picked up a ping signal from her son's cell phone at Mark's landing. The next thing I remember was hearing a man yelling while he was climbing the stairs. He was saying he was an officer and I needed to get out of the house. I told him I needed to get dressed, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. So that's what happens there.

That's a lot, and that's a confession in my book, it's a lot. It's a confession, but it's also a lot of bullshit. It's a lot of bullshit. Here's something funny. Her attorney, Todd Daratani, was mayor of Indy Atlantic from 96 to 98. Oh, just prior. He does leave before it goes to trial, though. She doesn't let him try it. He says, I was absolutely certain this was an 80% chance I could have won this case working at half speed.

It was that good of a case. I wasn't even going to try and I was going to win. Yep. As the trial starts, he's not here because he's selling cars at his car dealership that he owns. And the Florida Supreme Court has permanently disbarred him for harming clients by taking their money and failing to represent them as well. So defense strategy is no one saw the murder. And the evidence against her is based on jumping to conclusions. And assumptions are not appropriate

or a fair determination for murder. Lack of evidence they're pointing to. They said it's more suggest that Gino did it than anybody else. They pointed to a sample police took from Kelly's yard where they said that it took place and they said they found no blood there. So the police didn't test for blood found near Brennan's body, which they said belonged to. That's what the defense is saying. That's the true attacker's blood there.

They were looking for like a blood trail of someone running away. OK. You know, DNA evidence for the car. This is their excuse for that. That the blood was transferred to the floorboard of Sheila's car after she and her sons went to Mark's Landing and saw the body. They inferred that the transfer of blood was made through some sort of cross-contamination as a feat.

She also claims that if she was a murderer, she's not saying she did do it, but if she did do it, it's because she was on Ambien as well. And it was a side effect and she doesn't know anything about it so there's that too yeah shit's dangerous so dan testifies against her um he says he's been they asked him do you remember that day he said i've been spending nearly nearly the last five years trying to forget it and um they said were you looking forward to seeing kelly he said absolutely uh sheila's sheila's attorneys say uh they point to gino rallo at this point saying to dan he physically showed up at your house and confronts you both right and that's when he said he physically

broke through the door and came in and essentially assaulted me yes yeah they said did he have a weapon did gino have a weapon in his hand when he barged through your door? And Dan said, yes, he did. They said, describe that weapon. It was some sort of jack, like a blackjack, you know, like a blunt object

that you hit someone in the head with and crack their skull open. That's what they're trying to show. So he said he suffered injuries to the face and neck. And he says moments later, Kelly, because Kelly was over there when this happened

kelly followed gino out and uh to talk to him and that's when gino yelled at her and started getting physical with her uh dan said quote he attacked her in the garage essentially was choking her and it was a rather violent encounter jesus so yeah we got an angry husband we got a lot going on here so um yeah they said they get gino on the stand and they try to attempt to say that he was enraged and all this type of shit so they said you started slamming her against the wall and putting your hands around her neck isn't that true mr rollo he said it wasn't really a fight as much as we quote wrestled in the garage no no no no you don't wrestle with your wife in a garage that just doesn't happen we locked up in the garage that's what happened that's what happened uh he does say he was torn up about it he said he loves his wife

um yeah he says that he also got 250 000 money out of her, but he didn't kill her. He's like, I do fine, and I didn't kill her because of that. Gino testifies that Sheila was a master manipulator who taunted him into attacking Dan. He said, I only attacked Dan because of her. Quote, she would call me from time to time and say, hey, this is going on, and they're having an affair. And Gino said a lot that happened. And he said he didn't even believe it at first. And also all the emails and all this type of shit.

And one email she wrote talking about Dan to Gino, he was sitting in front of you lying to your face. Were you hoping that, then they said, were you hoping that Gino was going to go over and attack his wife or attack your husband, putting an end to the affair so you could have Dan back? And Sheila said, oh, no, no, no. When she testifies, I wasn't doing. Yeah, I wasn't upset that Dan was having an affair with Kelly.

I was upset that he was spending the money that he was. Yeah. He also says that Gina Rallo, that Dan was that no one they were trying to prove that gina was the most mad person in the world she she'll his attorneys want the jury to hear a voicemail that gina left for dan two months before the murder saying you motherfucker you want to fuck with this marriage i'm gonna kick your fucking ass not bad so not bad state offers a plea deal in the middle of this. Yeah, they offer second degree murder, 25 years. Okay.

She says, no. Oh, we're going to trial. She'll later, this is in the middle of the trial. Okay. They'll later say that, she'll later say it wasn't the offer was never conveyed to her, which the lawyer would be disbarred for that. You can't fucking do that. So, she doesn't testify at all. uh doesn't do any of that shit the uh the they say the prosecutor says the

smoking gun in this case is that the defendant's own words telling police where the body is yeah yeah um both of her sons testify against her saying just what we said we went to the you know she told me to go here so we went to we went to the we said we went to the you know she told me to go here so we went to we went to the landing then we went to this vacant lot and that vacant lot and all this type of shit so the prosecutor here in the closing says she didn't say i think i think someone killed kelly brennan i think someone else killed kelly brennan i think gino killed kelly brennan and how do we know that that she's telling the truth about that? Because she was able to produce Kelly Brennan's body. The police, her friends, her boyfriend, her girlfriend, all had been looking all night long.

No one could see her. They went to Gino's house. No one of them could find her. Nobody even thought about Mark's landing. The only one who ever said anything about Mark's landing is that woman, the defendant, Sheila Graham Trott. Great point. And what happens when the police actually go there knowing that she had already taken her own sons there? The police go there and look and still can't find the body in the daytime until the helicopter shows up and sees it from above.

He says an absence of evidence equals proof of something. The state wants that. That's what the defense says. That's what the state wants you to believe um but it's bullshit you know she's so fucking innocent here are you kidding me talk about more emails uh that sheila had sent uh that had been written from her to dan about all this shit they read that here uh it's another one this is uh an email from sheila to gino rallo uh that's the honeymoon period one that we talked about he's in for a very big surprise and all that kind of shit the defense closing says this you're being asked to believe a 115 pound person is going to be able

to pick up 146 pound person probably deceased at that point and no pun intended but there's dead weight she's gonna pick her up from the floor lift her up place her in the seat of not a honda civic but an suv place her in there with no neighbors hearing a thing no neighbors hearing blow after blow after blow does that make any logical sense no but it makes more sense than her being a fucking psychic so yeah yeah that's the thing uh she she has a few too many details that's nobody would know no she said she had no ill will no spite no evil intent no premeditation you saw this person the you heard the person that that had all these things and how he acted on those feelings. Ladies and gentlemen, the decision that you need to speak is that Sheila Graham Trott is not guilty. Thank you.

The verdict comes in. While they're waiting for it, Sheila's mom says, quote, it's hard in the heart. But if she's found guilty, there's something very wrong with the system. This is ridiculous. Less than three hours into deliberations, they have a verdict. The mother says that she can't wait to hear the good news she knows this is good news have you heard the good news quote i was dancing i was dancing in the elevator i was so excited because i knew i knew i kept saying we're going to bring our girl home that's right and they find her guilty of first degree premeditated murder in florida

in florida sentencing here uh you ma'am may fuck off life in prison yes life no 25 years now life um she appeals on a few things ineffective assistance of counsel for not objecting to certain things that the state said in closing none of that shit matters you wrote a long letter you knew where the body was kelly brennan's family says what a tragedy for the family here uh they said uh one of her friends said when she did when she did come to work she was always happy and she had her little corner it was called kelly's corner a place in the hospital where Kelly gave extra care and attention to her patients.

And even after she died, that was an area of reverence. If you went there, it was comforting. So that's nice. Sheila, by the way, this is on TV when she's doing her TV interview.

Why shouldn't this audience believe you're just a clever sociopath, that you are a killer? You know the difference between right and wrong, but in the case of Kelly Brennan, you don't care. She said, oh, I do care. When would her body have been discovered? You said to yourself, who led them to the body? It was us saying that, and it was Mark's Landing.

They would have never checked Mark's Landing. But the desperate, what is it? Oh, I have to live with a lot of guilt for not stopping the attack. And now I'm paying the price. Kelly's family has closure, but they don't have justice because I didn't kill Kelly. That's it. Her sons, Creighton and Graham, told 48 Hours, because that's what she was on, that we, quote, unequivocally believe in our mother's innocence and stand by her. Are you?

What the?. Are you? What? How do you? What does that say? Loyal. Yeah. She was on 48 Hours, the episode Vision of Murder, which is a good name for it. She is still in prison. She's obviously, I mean, Christ, she was there.

People think she's innocent I mean Christ she was there people think she's innocent though fundraiser fun F-U-N-R-A-Z-R dot com has a fundraiser for her here's one of the fundraiser here's one of the comments on it I'm about 26 minutes into this and Sheila didn't kill her

I'm now to the part where her mother is on the phone with police saying she confessed and this is complete crap she had no reason to kill her. I do not find it. I do find it odd that her roommate calls the cops two hours into this, but I'm a real skeptic. Also, with premonitions like this, they are so personal. A person is led to believe they are responsible because the energy that surrounds this type of premonition is really super heavy in capital letters to where you can't breathe type of heavy it's an open and shut case for the cops with absolutely no effort case closed and no one cares kelly's ex-husband

had more to lose than sheila did there's no physical evidence and i agree with sheila's lawyer it's complete bunk put the incense out lady yeah calm the fuck down and that the fundraiser has raised nothing basically nothing it's like i can't remember what it was but it's like 60 it has the amount and it's on the picture from the live show i don't fucking remember but it's it's not anything of any uh any that matters at all yeah um her kids write the thing thank you for all your support. And that, everybody, is Sheila Graham Trott and Dan Trott and poor, poor Kelly Brennan. Jesus. And Gino Rallo and poor bald Graham and the whole thing.

What a goddamn mess. That's Florida for you, everybody. Hell of a story. That's why we go to Florida for that. You know what I mean? That's why you got to go to Florida murder cases, man. They're crazy as shit. They really deliver.

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You can't say it any other way. Because you pronounce it the other way, and it's just extra stank on the whore. Yeah, it's just hoo-ah. It's worse. She's a hoo-ah. So now anybody that donates with just your first name gets gets whore as your last name not because we're insulting you but because it's fucking hilarious yes it's just funny to have the last name whore christian sanchez chris martin probably the lead singer

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