Small Town Murder - #252 - A Skull In The Wood Stove - Blackfoot, Idaho

Episode Date: December 2, 2021

This week, in Blackfoot, Idaho, when a man, with a history of making up tall tales, walks into the local police station to report a murder, everyone is skeptical. Especially, when they hear the fantastical sounding details of brain matter all over the walls, body parts cut off, and a skull with "bones and stuff", in the living room wood stove. When a couple of cops are sent out to investigate, they find out that not only was that man telling there truth, but he didn't even say exactly how bad it actually was! From there, a twisted story emerges, leaving everyone in disbelief!! Along the way, we find out that people in Idaho really do have a lot to do with potatoes, that sometimes, even a liar can be telling the truth, and that you shouldn't ask everyone that you've ever met, to help you dispose of a body! Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman New episodes every Thursday! Donate at: patreon.com/crimeinsports or go to paypal.com & use our email: [e-mail] Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder & Crime In Sports! Follow us on...twitter.com/@murdersmallfacebook.com/smalltownpodinstagram.com/smalltownmurder Also, check out James & Jimmie's other show, Crime In Sports! On iTunes, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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jersey all the way going west now so we went from the south we're bouncing up here we were in the midwest and going we're crisscrossing the country over here around blackfoot idaho oh boy yes blackfoot idaho southeastern idaho what i like to call the second panhandle the one on the top is pretty panhandly but it's pretty obvious yeah over here too there's there's some something to hold on to over here this place is The one on the top is pretty panhandly. It's pretty obvious, yeah. Over here, too. There's something to hold on to over here. This place is fascinating. It's an interesting, interesting place.

Now, the actual murder happens in Pingris or Ping... However you say it. It's probably Pingris. I don't know how to pronounce it. Oh, Pingree. Pingree. I'm sorry. Pingree.

Pingree? How do you spell it? P-I-N-G-R-E-E. Pingree. I'm sorry. Pingree. Pingree? How do you spell it? P-I-N-G-R-E-E. Pingree. Oh, there's no words. Okay. It's very small, just southwest of Blackfoot, but it's counted in the Blackfoot, quote, metro area, which is a stretch of anything to say, but that's what they call it.

Oh, Blackfoot. Quite the metro. How dare you? It's three hours and 40 minutes to Boise, two hours and 40 minutes down to Salt Lake City. So that's generous. That's the closer one there. And about 30 minutes to Chubbuck, Idaho, which was our last Idaho episode way back in episode 172. Jesus.

May 20th, 2020. Still full of hope for the tour that year crossing fingers and hopeful yeah we were saying see you in boston at that point so there we go to be alive what a time uh bingham county it's in area code 208 it's about six square miles yeah now their town motto i don't know if this is the town motto of every town in idaho but they claim that this is the density wise, the largest amount of potatoing coming out of one area. Just potatoes. Probably true. And so the motto is the quote potato capital of the world.

I believe it. Of the world, which I guess. Sure. Why not? I mean, who's disputing that? You're in Idaho. Who's arguing you motherfuckers? Are there other towns in Idaho that are like, hey, not so fast?

I'll bet there are. That's what I mean. It's probably they fight over it. James, the teenagers go out in the middle of the night and just go dig up a couple spuds and go make them at home. That's what they do, literally? I swear to God, they do. Wow, that's a wild place.

You get in trouble. You probably get shot at. I mean, I love potatoes. Don swear to God, they do. Wow. That's a wild place. You'd get in trouble. You'd probably get shot at. I mean, I love potatoes. Don't get me wrong. They're wonderful. You don't have to dig deep. No, they're right there. You just yank them right out.

So, oh, there's an alternate one also. And this is from the mayor. He's going off the old, you know, chicken in every pot slogan from back in the day. His is, quote, a trailer in every lot meth in every pipe so he wants he really wants it to be abundant is what he's looking for abundance history history of this town now the county seat was originally set to be uh was to be eagle rock which was the original name for idaho falls in case you didn't know that jimmy uh but but the night before the legislation was to be signed jesus christ this

count this town's county seat shit is insane this is the weirdest thing about small town murder weirder than any of the dismemberments or the crazy shit we found out that people have done for the last five years. This is crazier. People care about this. The argument over seats. They kill each other. They burn buildings down over it. These people instead, men from Blackfoot, bribed a clerk to erase Eagle Rock from the legislation and write in Blackfoot. And then the measure went through because they all thought it was Eagle Rock.

They didn't know it had been a thing. They didn't notify that And the governor signed it. I'm picturing Mel Brooks in Blazing Saddles signed it, walking the parapet. And he just signed it and gave it away. And that was it. Walked away. Yep. And it's Idaho Falls now.

There we go. So it turned out to be Blackfoot. The leader of the Southeastern Idaho anti-Mormons, was a Yale graduate named Fred Dubois who settled there in 1880. Settletown Law Commission Anti-Chinese League. Exactly. Exactly. That's exactly what it is. That is amazing.

The Southeastern Idaho, a leader of the anti-Southeastern Idaho Mormon Coalition. That is incredible. Yeah, the legislative maneuvering to get, they called it, the people in Blackfoot were very upset that they were saying they bribed the clerk to get the county seat. They said, quote, disparaging rumors, intimating some skullduggery on Blackfoot's part. Completely unfounded. Totally unfounded. There was a newspaper in 1880 that started coming out.

In that newspaper, the first issue kind of just described the town. It said they had four general merchandise stores, one jewelry store, a livery stable, four saloons, a hotel, a meat market, two blacksmith shops, one barber shop, and a lumber yard. It's an old westy town. Sounds like Deadwood. Exactly like the description of Deadwood there.

They'd left out the brothels, of course, but we can just assume that's happening in the saloons. So in 1889, a land office was established in Blackfoot, and during the first three months, they processed 300 homestead entries. So this was a homesteading place. The land office here had opened to settlement on May 7, 1907. They called it the Day of the Run, where several thousand homesteaders staked their ground and hurried to Blackfoot to file a claim. We've talked about this too, how much murdering and just, oh, imagine that. No, this is mine.

People beating the shit out of each other on just some desolate piece of Idaho. This is my brown dirt with dead shit growing on it. And it snows like a bastard there. Oh, yeah. It's not like, I not like the ground's fertile so there's that yeah yeah there's ski areas right yeah yeah not not particularly there but up a ways yeah this is not a Wyoming's right there so this isn't a resort northern i or northern utah there's all kinds of shit to do it's just not it's not very it's not very pretty

it's all snowy shit, though, too. So you have to really be into that. That's the problem. Well, let's find out if people are into it with reviews. Let's see what they think of this town. Let's find out. They vary greatly, I must say. They really do.

I can't wait to hear it. People are seeing this through two different lenses, this town, completely. Here's five stars. Quote, I love blackfoot and the small town atmosphere everybody here is so kind and loving you immediately feel like a part of the blackfoot family oh boy right away that's five stars here's another five stars great place to raise a family close to mountains skiing fishing camping four-wheeling 30 minutes to two larger towns for shopping restaurants and nightlife.

30? Oh, larger than Blackfoot. Got it. Yeah, go to Pocatillo and go do your nightlifing there. Here's a two-star review. Not so thrilled with it here. Quote, it is not a neighborhood I feel comfortable living in. Neighb neighbors are often rude and noisy into very late hours houses and lots are unkempt much of the time while walking down the sidewalk one will find trash littered frequently friendly and outgoing neighbors are often seen moving away with impolite and unkind neighbors taking their place jesus i don't like

what's happening around walk down the street and see trash uh and you nod your head and say hello bob you say how you doing there bill nice to see you hey you stay away from my goddamn kids all right thank you that's it sure you can dig a potato out of my yard i don't mind the the mormon culture has changed uh blackfoot from that lawless shit to the bars only serve uh with uh wine and beer and like an actual like a dive bar. Just wine and beer. No, no hard alcohol at all. And then the strip clubs, James, are their bikini bars.

That's not a strip club. Can you? No, that's not a strip club. You can get people are so repressed there. Those places are fucking packed. Jesus Christ. You can go to a lake and see that. What the hell is this?

The hell you need to go. I don't understand what I'm paying for. Why are the drinks more expensive? I don't know what's happening here. You can go down to the river and see the same shit. And you can talk to the girls and they might like you. You might find a date. Whereas these girls are just, that's money.

It's their job. It's really the dumbest thing I've ever heard. And it's not a thong. It's a bikini bar. It's literally bikinis. It's a bloomer bar. Perfect. Go to your bloomer bar.

Frequent your local bloomer bar, everybody. For a good laugh, it's a good time. Wow. That is just weird. That's just weird. It's just a good laugh it's a good time wow that is just weird that's just weird it's just a strange it's repressed mormon shit i think yeah it has to be yeah it has to be right absolutely that shit isn't happening places where it you know that happens in places where whatever the local religion is has taken over everything in terms of the political mechanisms of it and rules are made that should tell you what kind of titties you can see and how much of them

and then you go home and soak you don't even yeah even fuck away you just put it in there and leave it watch tv for a while well i'll tug on this later. What a life. God, that's terrible. Well, here's another review. This is Zero Stars. They don't think it's very good at all. The title of it is, quote, if you like potatoes, dot, dot, dot. It says something.

Quote, I grew up in Blackfoot and returned after traveling the West Coast and living in San Francisco for several years. Well, it's a lot different than Blackfoot, I assume. The economy is terrible. There isn't much you can do but work in the potato factories or Walmart. The potato factories? Jeez. You see movies about, back in the day, Midwestern factory workers and shit. You don't see a lot of potato worker factory movies.

No. You don't have to make them. just what are they what are they doing a factory like turn the machine on and go home clean them i guess i guess knock them knock the spray water on them yeah knock the cord off of whatever the the root that's attached to the little root yeah a little root thing uh the pay is horrible i was was working a management-level job that I normally got paid $50,000 in California, and I was getting paid $11 an hour. It was very degrading. Men can make more in labor jobs or construction, but there isn't much for female workers, and they are marginalized to the lowest-paying positions in factory work, retail, or office jobs. I moved here so that my parents could be close to my son, but I need to move because I don't

see any opportunities for me in the workforce, and I hate giving one penny of my hard-earned money to Walmart because there is nowhere else to shop for anything. So they don't like it. San Francisco ruined that girl. To Idaho, yeah. She's not going to want to be in Idaho anymore. I'm not giving them a dime. I'm not giving them a dime. Or working there either, yeah. She's not going to want to be in Idaho anymore. I'm not giving them a dime. I'm not giving them a dime or working there either, apparently.

Now, this person put that a lot more succinctly. I think it was what they were trying to say. But one star they gave, quote, lots of Matthews, trashy people and run down houses plan to travel for basic needs. The schools are near lowest in the country as far as education opportunities. And it's overwhelmingly Mormon influenced. No light nightlife to speak of. Very few restaurants. That's it.

Yes. Succinct, succinct, succinct. And correct. Here's the list of the shit that's bad here. Done and done. So I like that person. Then we have the population of this town here. It's gone up some.

I feel like Idaho has gotten expensive and people are moving there for some reason. Thanks a lot, Napoleon Dynamite. Yeah, I don't know. I don't even know. I think that's where this was filmed, too, was in this area. Really? Well, if it's half as boring as that fucking movie, then I would really never want to go there. People in this town, 12,025.

Like I said, that includes the whole metro area, quote-unquote. Pingy or Pingy or whatever the hell it is has about 1,200 people. So you can see these little towns kind of contribute to all that. And that's where the actual murder took place. Now, this is up 15% since 1990. So people are going there or just more Mormons and they're having lots of kids. I'm not sure which. So the male-female pretty much average.

It's pretty almost exactly on the money. Median age, though, very, very low. It's 31.4. Normally 31.8. There is a ton of kids here. Ton of kids. Zero to nine in the age demos is like exploded. Thank you, Mormonism. I mean, it is big time they are there uh married population about 55 which is only a little above average honestly so it's

when you hear the religious breakdown you're gonna go really that little it's a strange thing here um we have a single with no children though very low 2.5 percent so that is as low as it gets pretty much race of this town 76.8 percent white so pretty white and as we know the mormons they go places where they can blend into the snow we've said many times uh 0.4% black. Yeah. 0.4. That's not a lot of black people at all there. 2.2% Asian. 18.7% Hispanic here. 70% of the people in Blackfoot are religious. 70%?

Yeah, that's pretty high. That's as high. That's like Alabama level of participation in terms of this show. That's a lot of time. And they are almost exclusively, this place is 61% Mormon. So very Mormon. There's like a couple, 1% Methodist.

It's very much like 1% of everything else. 0.0% Jewish. That's not happening at all. So it's just, it's pretty Mormon here. In the county, it's a pretty rural county here. As we've said uh the last election 21 voted democrat 77 republican three percent independent so it's a yeah pretty one side there and uh unemployment rate here is pretty low actually the potato we never stop

eating potatoes there's a job for everybody that's's one thing where, you know, you can, there are the other things, industries kind of go, come and go. French fries keep happening. That's the thing. Oh, that's a staple. We're going to keep pumping out French fries. So even if the restaurants now thriving were inundated and overwhelmed with the too many potatoes, every fucking week, a new hamburger shop opens up.

Yeah. And we'd figure out things to do with the potatoes because they're wonderful. We'd go, well, we'll make the orders of fries bigger. People, no one will complain about that. They're French fries and potatoes. They're wonderful. We will smash them.

Yeah. We'll smash fries. And we will, twice baked potatoes is the greatest thing on earth. Well, think about Thanksgiving. Everyone that's listening right now ate some potato product in the last week. Everyone has. We've all eaten the potatoes.

So, I mean, this is where they're coming from. Not all of them, but a lot of potatoes are coming from here. So here, the median household income, though, a little bit low, like they were saying. I don't know how well the potato factory pays. So normally it's about $57,500. Here it's $43,000 is the median household income. Cost of living, $100,000 being regular average. Here it's $82,000, so not that bad.

Median home cost is about a 73 out of 100. $254,400 is the median home cost, which is lower than the 292 for the national average. So if we've convinced you, damn it, that you need to go to Blackfoot, Idaho, for whatever reason, we have for you the Blackfoot, Idaho real estate report. Your average two-bedroom rental here it's about 700 bucks a month so that's cheap that's almost like half the national average that might be the way to go if you're gonna do that i don't know what the rental situation is like but that's the how it would have cost i found a three-bedroom one bath 1354 square foot house so kind of a you know starter family house nice house uh some They found a three-bedroom, one-bath, 1,354-square-foot house. So kind of a starter family house, nice house. Some greenery outside, which is nice.

It's got like a green bush by the house. So they're trying to break the monotony of the just brown, tan, beige, dead landscape of everything around. It's got decent hardwood floors. It's decent. A couple things could use an update here or there, but it's been kept nice and clean. $235,000 for that. That's kind of like your average there.

I found a three-bedroom, three-bath, 2,838 square foot. So, big house. That's great. That's a big house. Three and three also? Yeah, three and three. T-ball for every b-hole. Plenty of room. Almost 1,000 square feet per bedroom. That's pretty good.

And then this is in Pingee or whatever it is. I don't care, too. Please don't tweet me the pronunciation of it. We'll never talk about it. I will never utter that town's name for the rest of my life, and I don't give a shit. So, please. This house is kind of depressing. The outside of it looks depressing. Everything's

dead. The landscape around it, it just looks like, oh man, this is- Is it just a rectangle house too? There's no like- No. Yeah. There's nothing fancy about it. Just a raised ranch. Kind of depressing, but clean. It's clean. Brown yard though. The yard is brown as shit, but inside kept nice and clean. $465,000 for that thing oh my god little bit then i found let's say you are running the potato factory you're selling all the french fries i found a six bedroom four bath not a not a land thing but a nice house 4 483 square foot home here very nice big white Big white house. It looks like

someone's bed and breakfast from a Hallmark movie. That's what it looks like. It's that kind of, like a picture card kind of a house. Very nice. $899,000 bucks though. You're going to pay. That's 4,500 square feet.

It's a goddamn big house. What is that per square foot? $17? That's for your big Mormon family Yeah, but what is that per square foot? I don't know. $17? That's for your big Mormon family there. That's what that is. Things to do. I found the Eastern Idaho State Fair. Yep.

Oh, boy. It is horrible. It's really weird here. I'm looking. Buildings and barns open at 10 a.m., so that's good. All the barns are open. A 4-H working ranch horse show. That's free.

Cheryl Crow's going to be there somehow. Oh, Cheryl. I don't know what the hell she's doing there. It's 7.30 p.m. on Friday, September 3rd. She was already there, I guess. A tribute to Patsy Cline from 4 to 6 on the other stage. Yeah, by Gene Cody. Mango and Dango, theatrical circus performers performers are going to be there which is

very excellent the incredible hypnotist richard barker will be there but the next day 10 a.m to 10 p.m starting at 10 a.m meet the animals come out meet them milking times are at four five and six p.m so if you want to get your milk on a bit, that's what you can do there. Are they telling you come by and see the animals while we milk them or bring a stool and do some work for us? I think either or.

I think it's an either or. 6 or 1. Whatever you can muster. Then from 1 o'clock and 3 o'clock, the Barrel O' Fun Comedy Show will be there. I'm sure. Oh, boy. Yikes.

Then 2, 4, and 7, the Jetpack Flying Water Circus is going to be there. Jesus Christ. Is that with, like, jet ski water packs? Or is it, like, they got fucking jets? I don't know. It's one of those ones they shoot up into the air in. I've seen that before. I'm not sure.

Then at 8 a.m. the next day, they have 4-H horse driving classes. God, dude. Because when you drive a horse, it's different than driving just like a regular passenger. They're a little bossier. You got to treat them differently. It's like driving a taxi. It's a different type of thing. Let's see. The rabbit show will be there.

I don't know if they perform. If they just show you rabbits or if they perform some sort of it's like a flea circus you know i don't know what's going on here there's a stock dog competition i don't know what a stock dog is is that a dog that keeps like herds together either that or like put shit on the shelf i i don't know um the sugar art team cake challenge will be happening there miniature horse performance classes i'm interested in watching that that sounds hilarious i'm so depressed that sounds really funny i liked this town when i was there this is not good this is bad stuff so that's the eastern idaho it's a lot of stuff like that finally the one

day i found at 8 a.m open sheep show i don't know what that is i don't know your own sheep that's like that's in lieu of the bikini bar you go to the sheep show i'm not sure what people do there and then at 1 a.m if you can hold your nut that long is the angora goat show so you oh god these goats are fucking hot so um yeah that's what that is and uh i'm right in this town not a word about tractor poles or any shit oh there's some there's all sorts of shit like that there's days where we could talk we you know we should do a bonus episode on the eastern idaho state fair because the whole schedule for every day is bonkers and it goes on for like nine days it's crazy i would love to talk about that let's take

a trailer up there james and just travel no no i'm not going every day no not interested report back idaho has zero legal weed they're not cool about it i'm not interested in them by then it probably will be they're not doing it there's all mormons they can probably right yeah i'll bet i'll bet idaho's the last state to hold out they're one of the few left that doesn't even have medical so yeah they can i'll bet Idaho's the last state to hold out. They're one of the few left that doesn't even have medical. I'll bet they'll hold out forever. Enjoy, assholes. Enjoy your near beer.

Have fun. Not the people who live there, assholes. The people who are making these laws, assholes, by the way. Driving to the next state to get real. Crime rate in this town. Property crime, a little bit high. Don't know why. I don't know if it's the circus performers that come through there.

The Barrel of Fun comedy show, 15 the circus performers that come through there, the barrel of fun comedy show. 15% high in that area. Oh, my. Violent crime, murder, rape, robbery, and, of course, assault is a bit low, actually. It's about 15% low. So a little high, a little low. Fairly safe. There you go. So that said.

Give and take. Give, little take. That said, let's talk about a murder, shall we? All right. Okay. Let's get into this, man, because this is a this is a weird crazy ass case of you know how sometimes you have like the town weirdo or the town kind of person that nobody believes they tell stories it's the guy from the bar who says you know he got abducted by aliens and like

and you'd believe him if he was a like a legitimate person because it's possible but this guy you're like yeah okay dude you just, yeah, OK, dude, you just told me. Yeah. Yeah. You just told me about some other insane shit that happened last week. And then, you know, he's kind of how many insane shits have happened to you, sir? Kind of known as a storyteller. And I don't know if it's true, but that's what the reputation is, at least among the police department is that uh he'll report

things this one guy and it's sometimes it's not exactly what happened he's you know so anything he says they kind of take with a grain of salt this guy if the police know you and they go well that guy when he says something take it for a grain of salt that's a problem yeah the police shouldn't know you first of all they just shouldn. Unless you have a town of like 300 people, you shouldn't know the police. They shouldn't base whatever you're about to tell them on the last 10 things you told them. On past experience, yeah. You should usually deal with the police fresh, is what we're saying. That'd be normal.

Say again. What's your name again, sir? That should be said a lot. Yeah, not, oh, how you doing, so-and-so. Yep, here he is again. Then they all give each other a look. Oh, boy. So here he is again, Jesus Christ.

So there's a guy that fits this description to a little bit named Guy Lopez. He's a guy, and his name is Guy. That's perfect. Guy Lopez now. Now, we're going to go back in time not far at all this week. Sometimes we're going back 80s, 70s. We're going back to 2017 this week. What?

Very, very recent. Way fresh. Way fresh. And somehow this case has not gotten a lot of attention at all. Really? I figured it's a – when you hear the case, too, it's so crazy. And I'm reading it. I'm like, oh, this must be all over the place.

And it's just not. Some local Idaho paper, the Idaho statesman or whatever, covered it. And that's reading it. I'm like, oh, this must be all over the place. And it's just not some local Idaho paper. The Idaho statesman or whatever covered it. And that's about it. I mean, no one else really gave a shit other than the court. So Guy Lopez, February 11th, 2017, three days before Valentine's Day, a magical time in the second panhandle, just in the potato capital. It's freezing. Freezing. Absolutely freezing. He, on February 11th, Guy Lopez wanders into the Bingham County Sheriff's Department office. And he's got something to report. Walks in and he's like, listen, guys.

How you doing? Now, Bill, Frank, Bob, how you doing, fellas? Yeah, I know I'm in here a lot. But can I use your bathroom quick? No, I know where it is. I got the keys hanging doing, fellas? Yeah, I know I'm in here a lot. But can I use your bathroom quick? No, I know where it is. I got the keys hanging in the thing. Yeah, I got it. He's been there before.

But he says, listen, I got something I got to get off my chest. Friend of mine told me they killed somebody. Oh. Okay. That's what it is. Now, I have this guilt they like confessed it to me i have a guilt weighing on me about it so there's a dead person here so the cops are like really who's dead fuck guy i mean literally they're like okay whatever i don't i think they probably didn't

even take out a notebook for the first like five minutes of this then when you have more details they're like i guess we should write it down at least you know what i mean but like okay he said listen friend of mine melanie you know melanie melanie yeah uh melanie smith uh friend of mine she said that um you know she's been involved in a murder and um you know i know some details um you know. At first, he's just like, she told me about it. They're like, okay, so she told you about it. Then he starts saying that he, it's more than just she told him about it. He knows a little bit more about it than someone who just heard about it. So, now, Melanie, by the way, M-E-L-O-N-I-E, which is.

Yeah, that sounds, that's very Mormon. I haven't seen that spelling much. That's not the common spelling of Melanie, but fine. Melanie Smith here. So Smith is a Mormon name, though. It's I mean, Smith isn't every name, but Joseph Smith. Yeah. So anyway, the guy says that, listen, I got a call from Melanie a few days ago, two days ago to be exact.

This is a Sunday. I got a call on Friday from her. She said, I need your help, man. You know, you got to help me out with something. I got a major issue over here. So they said, well, how the hell? First of all, Lopez, guy, how do you even know this lady? Like, what's your relationship with her?

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notorious crimes you should tune in to our podcast morbid follow morbid on the wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts you can listen to episodes early and ad free by joining wondery plus in the wondery app or on apple podcasts so they're like okay so what did your your meth dealer killed somebody what happened now that's what i mean this is when they're probably like okay meth that's probably real maybe we'll take a notebook out she's he says okay there's this guy his name's david davis they're like his name's david davis your meth dealer melanie with an O killed David Davis and told you about it. Sure. Sure.

Guy. Thanks. If she certainly says it like that, Melanie with an O that. Yeah. And they're like, where? Melanie with a sideways and go,

what, where, where does the O go? What are you talking about? Huh? Say him. and go what where where does the o go what are you talking about that's huh so melanie with an o your meth supplier who quote slings a lot of dope um she is killed and then asked you for help because obviously you go to one of your meth clients when you need help with something i guess you could pay them in meth that'd be easy easy clean helpful yeah it's you know no tax no paper trail you can wash that money fast very he doesn't have to claim it on his taxes was paid seven grams of meth you can't put that

on your value blah blah blah you'd have to pay on that no you can't do that here is my uh seven thousand dollars in taxes and my one gram of my meth tax yeah i'm just giving you a cut never mind the value i just figure send that to whoever's office does that kind of thing my my 29 tax rate or whatever his tax bracket is so he uh yeah the day after she said this happened you know on friday then the next day she came over to my house after she called me picked him up picked me up in my house after just saying i need some help with something and i'm like maybe i'll get free meth out of this i'm sure so you help your if your meth dealer needs help you help your meth dealer i mean let's be honest here especially in a small town you're gonna get a treat she might have the best meth going she might have be the most consistent hookup you don't want

to piss this lady off if you're into meth and this is the place where you need to get meth so she said that she picked him up melanie with an o picks guy up at his home and on the ride out to her house out to ping pingy pingree sorry pingree out to pingree no e no s on the ride out to her house, out to Pingree, no S on the end, out to Pingris, which I want to call it Pingris. We're calling it Pingris from now on, even though that's not the name of the town at all. It's a better name for your town. We recommend your official small town murder recommendation is that you change your name to Pingris. We know small towns. It's going to help.

Instead of Pine Gray. Yeah, Pingris. it kind of sounds like it was maybe pine grass back in the day or something it's got something could also be kind of like penis yeah it's intriguing throw an r on the end of that and just call it pinger pinger sounds great pinger idaho pingra pingra it would be yeah but like move the r and the e around oh just switch them yeah yeah we're changing the name who cares how we do it fucking pinger so um along the ride guy lopez tells the police he's sitting there in the sheriff's office and um says you know along the ride she confessed to him that she had killed davis two days ago and that she killed him two days ago and his body was still

lying in her kitchen oh she just left him in the kitchen 48 hours stepping over him to make toast yeah and also she lives with her 73 year old mother as well so they've just been living around the corpse of this man and this was his story like it's her laundry so melanie with an o your meth supplier called you just your one meth guy that she sells meth to and says i need help because i killed dave dave david davis and i've just been leaving living around his dead corpse in my kitchen for two days can you come over my mom just tripped on him i need you to help me pick her up and then also move the body because this is getting ridiculous it smells worse than us at this point so they i mean this sounds like a load of shit it really does and then they're like okay tell us more keep going how much detail do

you got here and they really much more story till you go away yeah they think he's full of shit and they think eventually he'll crack and go, maybe I didn't see that. Or they think it's like a meth hallucination or honestly, who knows? He's a local fucking meth guy. Any conclusion is logical. Anything could be bad could be possible. He could have like some sort of weird hyperthermia meth reaction where he saw some weird shit. So he says, look, I have more.

I have more info he said melanie explained to me that okay a man named kevin day okay this guy named kevin um he shot david davis in the legs twice outside of the trailer okay okay fucked a couple shots into him shot him in the legs twice david davis fell down with his legs you know obviously all shot up like uh and then uh kevin day just got in his car and left and left him in there and that's the story she's telling him that she that's a story melanie told guy lopez look Kevin Day came over, shot this dude in the legs twice, left him in my front yard. He drove away, Kevin Day. David Davis then crawled himself into my trailer, you know, with his legs all fucked up there.

And she said, you know, this is what she told Guy. Guy's telling the police that melanie told me then that uh you know she came in the house and um melanie attempted to stop the bleeding because it's bleeding like crazy got shot in the legs twice and then she couldn't stop the bleeding very well so she just shot him in the head which is usually what you do when you can't stop the bleeding you're just like fuck it someone get me the rifle which is she was she was in nomM and she just resorted to the old shit back then. 9-1-1, not a thought. Put a man out of business.

9-1-1, not a consideration or hospitals or anything like that. Hey, let's get you in the car. Take you down to the Blackfoot General or whatever. I don't know what the fuck the hospital is. Something? Anything? Nope. She's like, oh, I don't know what the fuck the hospital is. Something to anything. Nope. She's like, oh, I can't. Damn it.

You got another rag. Well, sorry, Dave. We're out of kitchen towels. So I'm going to have to have to shoot you in the head. This is insanity. So apparently Guy Lopez tells the police that Melanie Smith. Then she told him that, you know, she had to do it because she was, quote, so upset by his screams and all and the constant bleeding all over the kitchen. Obviously, too, that was a lot that she this is a quote from her that he's conveying, quote, shot him in the back of the head like an animal that had been hit by a car.

Yeah. So it was a car. Yeah. So it was a mercy. It was a mercy killing. Really? She's had dogs that had parvo. Yeah. She's like, well, it just won't stop throwing up. I guess not eating.

Shoot him. Well, we can just put him on medication and try to get him better over the next week. Or we could shoot him. I got shit to do. I mean, we could shoot him. got shit to do i mean we could shoot him i'm just saying it's possible so that's that's her story that she gave to guy lopez who he is now conveying to the police they're like okay none of this sounds logical no meth dealer david davis shot him in the who shoots someone in the legs twice and then just drives away and then this person crawls into someone else's house and they're like all this bleeding i'll just shoot him in the head you're you're an

italian from new york who doesn't know who shoots people in the legs and walks away well yeah but not in idaho if we were talking about if the guy's name was david uh davis aliano i'd go you know what i don't know maybe he owed somebody or he did something maybe he said some shit he didn't need to say yeah i don't think the mormons operate like this is what i'm getting at maybe this is what happens when you don't tithe yeah maybe that's it 10 mother just drove away so that's his story and he's he's. He says, so we got to her house, right? This is me, Guy Lopez, got to Melanie with an O's house. And we get to her trailer. I apologize.

And she asked me to help her move. She had two things she needed moved. First, a large couch because I can't just move that with my mom. So I've been wanting someone to help me with that. So if we could do that, and then when we're done with that, we'll get to the body as well. We've got to move him also. So she said the couch had brain all over it. So that's a problem, obviously.

You know, too much brain on the furniture. It doesn't wash out anymore. You can't just resolve that away for a reason. I pictured him being shot in the kitchen but no he was shot well on the couch no no he was shot in the kitchen uh we'll talk about why there's brain splattered clear across to the living room couch but there's a reason for that um she said can you help me take these two items outside the couch and the man, can you help me take them outside the trailer into the back where I'm going to put the body down on the ground,

then put the couch over him. That way he's not just like, you can't just leave a body just in your yard. That's not going to work. Someone. So yeah, someone can see that shit as they, voila,

here we go. Just reveal it. So yeah, it's like, so we got to have that there. And then at that point, once the couch is over him, I'm going to put like some gasoline on him, set him on fire, set the couch on fire, let the whole thing burn up together. And that way, you know, hey, no David Davis, no problem.

No body, no crime, as we say. There it is. So, as Bob Marley once sang so passionately, no body, no crime as we say it is so uh as bob marley once sang so passionately put him under the couch set it on fire nobody no crime such a great song it works works for any situation. Yeah. Well, when they're trying to get rid of a body. Obviously. Not normal situations. Not just if you're stuck in traffic.

That doesn't work. But if you have a body. Not when you're not doing crime things. Yeah, real bad, shitty crime things. So she's going to try to destroy the body like that. So Lopez says, you know, she said, look, the body's in the kitchen. You want to go see it? You want to see a dead body?

He's in the kitchen. So Guy Lopez said to the police, look, I told Melanie, this is his quote, I said, give me a minute. And I slammed back a beer. That's what he said. She gave him painkillers and a beer. Here you go. It's a pretty sweet gift. That'll calm you down.

That'll get you a little calmer. That'll get you in body-moving mode here. Maybe that's the victory dance. Maybe we do that after. No, no, no. We're doing it beforehand. You celebrate before you're victorious, Jimmy. That's how meth dealers work.

Michael Jordan did oftentimes spray champagne on his teammates right before the game. At halftime, you do it. You do it at halftime. We're almost there, guys. So, whoo. Then Lopez says, quote, he, meaning Davis, was laying on plastic. She had a bad shoulder and needed help rolling him okay so she got him on some plastic but couldn't get him all the way rolled onto the

plastic because she's got a bad shoulder so you know she's been injured he's probably got a worse head at this point the guy with spray brain matter uh make sure you're able-bodied if you're gonna murder somebody don't need don't come around your your lame hips with your bad shoulder this this is why we always say you got to think about the dismount not that we want people to get away with murder we're just disappointed that people have no quality control they have no pride in their workmanship of whatever they're doing i don't care if you're building an armoire or if you're crafting a comedy show or if you're going to murder some guy named David Davis in your goddamn house.

Have a fucking plan. Have a plan and execute it properly. Try. Try hard. Do some prep. Do your homework and then suit the job to your physical talents. And lifting a body is not one when you got a bad shoulder.

Not going to work for you. So the best thing would be don't kill people, first of all. your physical talents and lifting a body is not one when you got a bad shoulder not gonna work for you so the best thing would be don't kill people first of all yeah but you know whatever so we'll talk about how that happened there's nagging shoulder injury that keeps me from murdering people that's the problem think about that yeah if you're like my back is just bad i can't be murdering people that don't murder people maybe there'll be less murder if people took their own shortcomings into account i think have some self-awareness yes that's all we're asking for everybody murderers non-murderers so he's taking a beer and some pills and um he said that he was at the house for about an hour before finally a guy told her that he sized up the situation let the pa painkillers kick in, and he said, listen, you're going to need kerosene to burn that body.

Okay? Like, you can't just light a match on his plaid shirt and he's going to go up in flames and burn with your couch. You're going to have to soak it in some propellant of some kind. He said accelerant of some kind. So he said that I can get it from a friend of mine in Blackfoot. He's got, like, kerosene's a rare product.'s not plutonium it's fucking kerosene you can buy kerosene literally anywhere i got a friend with a on the black market yeah what is this he sells it by the gram so it's a little expensive but i think you're gonna like it it's not fucking uranium yeah no it's not fucking wow so guy lopez then tells sergeant

mark phillips that he just came from um you know he just this just happened like yesterday like this is serious shit or today i went home i talked to my daughter my daughter said that i should go tell you guys about it he needed his daughter to be his moral compass needed a child to show me the way at least he raised her better than he was raised obviously i mean if this is what he's doing helping meth dealers dispose of bodies isn't really for meth probably so yeah he talks about they said well what else did you see so he's wrapped in plastic yeah okay she's got a bad shoulder what else he said well there's brain matter all over the place in the home. Okay, first of all, not only is there brain matter everywhere, there's blood and what he called, quote, human debris dripping down the wall.

So he's making it sound like there was like a blender. You put a human being in a room with a blender blade in it, and they just were splattered everywhere. So they are. Plastic piece, that rubber piece off the stopper, off the garbage disposal. Yeah, just plug the pipe and put the body in it. Put them in the blender with no lid, buddy. Put it on puree. Let it go.

I didn't know I had to take the wood chipper outside. Jesus, that could have been in the manual i thought it was all going to be internalized and just spit out a little cube like a little garbage cube compact that i could just put in the garbage disposal so he said okay so you saw blood and human debris dripping down the wall big deal yeah so he said but there's more it's not only that there's but there's more. It's not only that. There's brains. There's human debris dripping everywhere. He said, I saw part of the skull, and this is a quote from this man, part of the skull and, quote, bones and stuff and stuff, bones and stuff in the wood-burning stove, like in her living room. Okay.

I thought you took the whole body outside. So this man- Only part of the body. Not the head. Now he's got to that. I mean, at first, I walked in. He doesn't mention that, oh, by the way, this was only the center chunk of a center mass of a man. So much has been taken off of him.

Now he's saying that, no, you don't understand. It was even worse. He's wrapped in plastic, but I saw his skull and bones and stuff in the wood-burning stove. And there's brain on the walls and there's dripping human debris dripping down the walls. And they're just like, holy shit. This either sounds like the most horrible scene ever or you are completely on a meth trip and full of shit and out of your mind. Are you sure it was just pain pills that you took? Yeah, what did you take? Jesus Christ did you wow what a trip does jimmy hendrix sound even better

right now to you let me ask you that question are you are you have you been shopping amazon for black lights and black light posters do pink floyd songs make sense to you now is that what's happening tell me what's going on in your brain right now. Do you need a Led Zeppelin blacklight poster? Tell me. Are your favorite things rainbow colored beanie baby bears? Yes. Do you just want fucking weird?

Oh, so that's what he says. So he says that at that point, Melanie pointed out tissue and bone matter that she attempted to burn in her wood stove. After he said, I looked in there, saw bones and stuff. I guess the end stuff is flesh as well as bone and a skull. And he said, look, I tried to burn the shit in the wood stove, but that doesn't work. You know, some for some reason it's not made for that. I got a shit model. He says, you know, he at that point they said, well, what were you thinking at this point?

You're just standing there looking at skulls and you're in the most horrible thing I've ever heard in my life. And he says, quote, I guess I was in shock and the smell of blood and brain matter. The place just reeked of it. Good Lord. Oh, God. So he said that they went to Blackfoot then. They went out, got in the car to go get the kerosene from the kerosene man. Yeah, from the kerosene dealer.

Yeah, kerosene dealer. Had to call and be like, bro, you got you holding? He's like, I got about five gallons right now. What do you need? So at that point, he said, listen, I had to tell her that I can't help you. I can't help you do this. This is too much for me. There's brain everywhere and pieces of people.

I can't deal with it. It's too much for me. I sold my daughter. I'm not that kind of guy. He said that he did. He went home and told his daughter about it. He said, because he was freaked out. She said, dad, what's wrong?

And he said, I just saw some crazy shit. You know, my meth dealer. I took my meth dealer to my kerosene dealer. And boy, let me tell you. Just had to take my meth dealer to the kerosene guy because, wow, she's got some stuff going on. Let me tell you about brain matter. So, yeah, that's what happened. So he said he drove to the sheriff's department and told him what happened.

Like, you know, now I'm here. That's the whole story. Went there. He drove me here. Went back, that's now I'm here. That's the whole story. Went there. He drove me here, went back to there. Now I'm here. That's that's it. So he also said that I guess she had told him they said, well, what was the reason for this? Why did she have this done? Why did she do this to him? Why was this to him and i guess her reason was that david davis had stolen jewelry cash and drugs from her and then went went back on a deal to buy a jeep she owned crawfish don't you crawfish don't you crawfish don't you crawfish on me boy sorry that's all it is man that's what it is crawfish crawfish crawfish on a jeep deal on me i don't take that

shit you say you're gonna buy my 86 jeep grand cherokee for 1400 you better show up at my goddamn house 1400 in your fucking hand i polished them wheels up for you boy you don't understand that i got that wood paneling looking good i wish he said he crawfished on it she said he crawfished her so they said well then what okay so you this is your meth dealer she obviously doesn't think that you're that high of moral standing if she went to you for help to dispose of this person she thought that you were a guy that would do that why would you come to us now why are you such a hero they don't believe him at all and he says quote i guess i just have different morals than her no matter what davis did she didn't have the right to be judge jury

and executioner wow so that's what he said he's just got a moral thing here um so um the church god damn it yeah uh there's another guy who comes forward as well here and says yeah she asked me to help her get rid of a body too um same thing same happy well we don't know i mean but she's you know melanie smith the meth yeah meth lady in the trailer yeah with an o with an o that's the one she asked me to get rid of a body how crazy is that and then they're like for real like today and she's like yeah and then they're like oh shit guy might be telling the guy might be telling the truth here or at least part of it might be telling the truth he they uh guy said that you know she told him quote i blew his fucking head off and then uh guy said that

she was nonchalant like she didn't give a fuck quote unquote so um he described they go back to guy and they're like can you describe this home for us again now because we got another fella out here and uh he describes her home double wide trailer uh they find the home on google maps they look for it because he tells them it's off this road over here and find the home on google maps they look for it because he tells them it's off this road over here and find the property on google maps and get the address from there uh guy uh then also says by the way you might want to be careful there's a bunch of guns out in that home too so she's got a bunch of meth and guns so you might want to and a body on the premises so she might not be that friendly when you all show up and knock on the door i don't think she's gonna be welcoming to the badges and shit

come on in now um he described one gun who was uh that was she kept right behind the front door so you know for you know when you sell meth you tend to keep guns by the door yeah that's the only reason to have a gun by the door is yeah illegal shit's going on in there anything you ever see the wire at the at the stash house there they got to have a gun by the door is illegal shit's going on in there. Anything you ever see the wire at the stash house there, they got a gun by the door. That's how it works. You want to protect your shit there. That's all of your inventory. So Guy also describes all the vehicles that can be found on the lot of her house.

He said there's going to be four vehicles there. She has four vehicles out there, including this Jeep that got crawfished got crawfish down evidently she's trying to get rid of it yeah and detailed other buildings of the outbuildings on the lot you know shed and this shit over here he then drew a diagram of the trailer and a second map with directions to the house so they're like all right he's he's drawing a diagram of something maybe this is true so uh there's a sergeant todd howell he said to sergeant phillips that a search warrant was going to be necessary here because the the word of a flighty meth user is not really we can't kick a door in over that you know especially one that we know to be an unreliable source for shit in the past a meth he told us about some bad shit here um yeah this is my grandmother's house i don't know what you're talking about yeah everything's

fine no we're coming in guns blazing out the way door off the hinges so he said uh sergeant philip spoke to the other officers and related his concern that okay hey he could be full of shit but now we got another guy saying the same type of thing. Well, we can't really wait to go out there because if this is true, she is currently in the midst of an effort of destroying all this evidence. Right. She's calling multiple people.

She's going for kerosene. She's got a skull and bones and stuff, quote unquote, in the wood stove. Like, we don't get over there. There's not going to be anything when we get there and it's going to be more difficult to figure this whole thing out so uh they said um and at the end of it by the way at the end of the interview they're like well guy thanks for your help we'll go check all this out and he goes one more thing uh-oh one more thing y'all need to know about um she has on the outside of her house and one of the other buildings she's

got what you might want to call a methamphetamine lab all set up so she's cooking a shitload of meth so um she's a bit touchy as you might imagine and you might want to be careful there because you know that shit's pretty gross so yeah they're like fuck yeah fuck okay um so they left the cop said well thank you for telling us that. Cause that's important. And then he said, uh, told the other cops are going to need a hazmat suit, a hazmat team due to the meth chemicals. And, uh, the other, another officer cautioned him that, uh, that's when the other officer

was like, dude, you're going over there with a fucking hazmat team yourself. All of this shit. How many times has guy lopez told us crazy shit in the past this is what he does he's guy lopez money are we about to spend on this fucking tip from guy yeah how many pictures are going to be out there with us in hazmat suits looking like assholes because some fucking meth ass dickhead came in here off the street and said oh there's brain matter and i saw bones and stuff i mean fucking tread lightly he's like maybe don't maybe let's not bring the whole hazmat team right away maybe let's go knock on the doors take a look around and then fucking if we

need the hazmat team we'll bring the hazmat team so they do they go okay let's cancel the hazmat team for now let's just go out there and do a look around. They're 50-50 on whether they're going to find meth, a body, anything. Or just some lady in her house going, I don't know what you mean. I'm watching Wheel of Fortune. Who knows? So they go to the trailer. And by the way, when they get there, there's five cars in the driveway now instead of four. So they were told there's going to be four.

Now there's five. So they're like, okay, someone else could be here now. Now we're less sure of who's inside the house. When they get there, they watch the house for a minute until more cops show up who are going to make contact with the occupants there. But they had to keep an eye on it

just to make sure they didn't see her dragging a body outside, bad shoulder and all. So when they knock on the door here, Melanie Smith comes to the door. Melanie with an O. She's 48 years old. She has had a couple of run-ins with the law in the past that I could find,

just doing a really cursory background check here. I found on her. Well, let's see. In addition to the accusations from Guy Lopez, 2002, a reckless driving in Washington state that happens. People get out of control. Then going back to 1992, she has just got a string of prostitution arrests through this year. Just, I mean, all over the place.

What is this? July 19th, 92. September 2nd, 92. August 28th, 92. She's in her prime. Days apart. 11-7, so November 7th, 92. August 31st, 92. August 31st, 92.

February 4th, 1993. January 16th, 1993. These are all... All in Washington? No, these are in Texas, in Bexar County, Texas. Yeah, you can't really... That's taking place, so... You don't want to fuck around there.

No, so she's been around. This also tracks different places she's been. She's in Washington. She's in Texas. Now she's in Idaho. She's bounced around. She's super into drugs, as we found out. And she's had quite the checkered past, obviously. So clearly there's been times in her life that things haven't been going terrific, I would say. There was a good stretch of her time when talking to a tax man was not fun. No. If you get busted for prostitution six times in a year, that's not. That's your career. That's your career. And for her, it's not like this is for drugs, I feel like.

That's her problem always. Yeah, sure. And, yeah, that's always her problem. So they knocked on the door and they announced, you know, Bingham County Sheriff's Department. And they said it was freezing cold out. This is nighttime, by the way. This is after dark, you know, 1030 at night in a February Idaho night. Freezing.

So they said freezing cold is how they described it. They said Melanie Smith exited the home and quickly shut the door behind her. cold night freezing so um they said freezing cold is how they described it they said melanie smith exited the home and quickly shut the door behind her she didn't like open it how you doing she like popped out hey guys how are you let's talk on the front porch let's talk on the patio yeah they said she's wearing jeans a t-shirt and sneakers that's what she's wearing yeah and but she's what she wants to talk outside wearing this. She's dressed like me. Exactly. Sitting where it's 80 degrees and whatever.

So he says you know they said so you're Melanie Smith? She said yeah. They said listen. We received a report about quote something going on here. And they want to come in and see if everything's okay make sure

everybody's good in this house there's nobody needs medical attention her response was quote everything's fine everything's fine nobody needs any medical attention we're good she said my mother who's in here she's 73 i take care of her she's the only other person in the house she doesn't need medical attention i don't need need medical attention. We're all good. That's that. So they said, listen, there's a detective there. And he says, listen, Melanie, if you refuse the request to let the officers in to look for a person and need a medical attention, the scene is going to be sealed. And both you and your mother are going to have to leave the residence while we check on this said it's been an outside report of somebody else not either of you somebody else that's in need of medical attention and we have to check it right that's it and that's all so uh

she said ain't coming in my house out of warrant that's bullshit and she starts going you know off on that i don't want you coming to my house everybody's fine now they're having an argument on the front porch of the trailer. This is what's going on now. They're fighting. She's refusing the request. So at that point, the mother opens the door. Here comes Betty Duke.

That's her name. Betty Duke, the mother. Old Betty Duke pops open here and opens the door only enough to stand between the door and the door frame. So just kind of squeez know squeezes her yeah and um she uh she came in there and then melanie turned to her mother and said they want to come in and quote tear my house and my shit apart that's what they want to do so the officers then are talking the mother's like out of the mediator now they turn to betty and they go we're not we don't want to tear anybody's shit apart that's not our intention here is we're not doing that not looking to tear any shit apart of any kind

and uh so then smith here melanie asked her mother because the officers are there they're like are you hurt will you tell them you're not hurt because we're the only ones here that'll end it she said no i'm not hurt the mother did so then melanie turns to them and said quote you want to know what happened oh boy i do and they're like i would love to hear this i would pay money to hear what the fuck happened at this point because this is crazy Pay money to hear what the fuck happened at this point because this is crazy. Please tell me. And they said, all right. Quote.

She said, all right. Quote. Somebody got hurt and they left. There you go. That's what happened. Okay. Bye. That should clear things up.

Done and done. We're the only ones here now. Ain't nobody hurt. The hurt person left. See y'all later. That's her. The hurt on down the road. They went that away. So they said,

okay, well, let's talk about who got hurt. I mean, you can't just say somebody got hurt and they left. When did they get hurt? How badly were they hurt? What time did they leave? Did they go to the hospital? All these things. We're going to find them in a ditch crawling on the end of the road they leave on foot eventually she in conversation she i just identified the person oh yeah this person as david so david blah blah blah blah so then they're like okay the guy that they that guy lopez talked about was david davis

so this is things are lining up she then said that well yeah you know what happens is it's crazy stuff people come over and they do stuff and there's a fella named kevin day um shot david right in the leg there right in my driveway yeah just just that just shot him up but um then uh day took off and then uh kevin or i'm sorry kevin day took off and then david davis just he Day took off and then David Davis just he took off too so he was shot in the leg I mean I don't know that didn't seem right but I didn't have anything to do with it just in my driveway

I mean okay it could happen in your driveway who knows you don't know not my problem they both left so the detectives like okay well that story lines up a lot with what we've heard except let you probably left a big part of it out where you you know maybe murdered somebody so

they said listen that's all great and everything but we have information that david davis didn't leave that he actually came in and he's actually still here at this very moment. So we would like to come in and take a peek around and make sure that he's not dead or in need of medical attention in your home. She said he never came in this house. That's ridiculous. And you're misinformed. And they said, we need to confirm that he's not inside the home in need of medical attention. And she repeatedly denies the request to come inside again and said you need a warrant you need a warrant to come

in my house like yes if we're looking for meth that's true yeah if we're looking for a person in immediate danger the warrant thing is also a little gray at that point so um yeah they you need a warrant they said okay at that point they seize the home in anticipation of getting the search warrant. So that's when they lock everything down. You can't just go, okay, you go inside, and if you can destroy all the evidence before the search warrant gets here, then you win. It's not a game. When they do that, they take everybody out. That's a sweet game show.

They should do that. Put that shit on TV. Destroy that evidence. Hide that gun. Flush that coke. There'd be all sorts of chants the audience can do. Because that's what game shows thrive on is a chant. That show was called Nobody No Crime.

Game shows thrive on chants of that kind. You know what I mean? That's what you need. You got a studio audience chanting shit yeah burn that body yeah yeah light that light that corpse light that corpse it's gonna be chantable that's all it is and you got a hit right there if they actually had that show or you have to try to like get away with crimes yeah that you know that you haven't actually done obviously these aren't real crimes but like if they actually had that show where you have to try to like get away with crimes that,

you know, that you haven't actually done, obviously these aren't real crimes, but like basically like it's all set up like a scenario where, okay, the detectives are going to be, you could have a whole false thing going on to see if people could get away with it before they fucking,

if they could get rid of evidence before the cops caught up with them and talk to them, that would be amazing. Can you get away with with murder that'd be a fucking amazing game show it wouldn't be good because it'd be teaching people more about yeah how to get away but not like law and order hasn't done 7 000 episodes and there's every way to get away with murder on that and all the investigation discovery and all that shit literally i almost got away with it all these different shows do they just have like a gelatin body that's full of blood that you gotta just have like yeah you can't use a real body obviously yeah you could do like you know whatever the guys on mythbusters

used to use and you just put a bunch of blood in it organs and shit so that's a show right there i'm sorry if you uh just get evidently a bunch of people that owe a lot of money to creditors, and you get them to do it, and it's called Squid Game. It's called Squid Game, yeah. Either way, if I see that popping up on Investigation Discovery, we will sue you very hard for that. That's our show. We've just put it out there. But that's true TV. Yeah.

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Yeah. And, yeah, they're going to, in lieu of the search warrant, they're going to get a search warrant, and they say, you and your mother need to get the fuck out of the house while we're doing this. Okay? She continued to argue with them that they can't seize her home, they can't enter her home without a warrant. they went okay and put her in handcuffs at that point they were like well hang on to you then check out what we can do we can handcuff you put

you over here and then go in your fucking house because that's the law so yeah that'd be you need a warrant okay let's have a seat right there so the uh sergeant reminds everybody that by the way there's firearms in the house we don't know if that's just her and her mom there could be some dude hiding behind the door with a fucking machine gun right now we have no idea be careful so they remove her from the deck and then the detective knocks on the front door again because the mother had closed the door and got inside yeah so betty comes back to the door yes hello still still you so they explain the whole situation with her to her also they're like listen this is blah blah blah so betty says look no one

else is home except for me and my daughter and uh i'm gonna go inside to get a coat if i have to be outside so they said okay well if you have to go in and get a coat we have to go inside with you because this property has been seized and you can't be alone in there you could be destroying evidence of some kind so now that's their way to go inside so she wants to get a coat they have to go inside with her and escort her in there so he says then uh that you know he's going to come in and the conversation continues and they talk about the guns again by the way watch out people's you know he's going to come in and the conversation continues and they talk about the guns again by the way watch out people's you know they even tell her there's guns in the

house and we don't know who's in here and it could be unsafe for everybody which is obviously she knows who's in the fucking house that's a dumb thing to say she finally says that look I'm too shaky to stand here in the doorway and they said well no problem just go inside and sit down and we'll follow you in literally what they said no problem go inside go inside and sit down we'll come on in

with you that's the rule but if you want to sit you're welcome it's warmer in here so she finally says okay fine turns away and goes in the house um they follow her in she starts going i didn't say you could come in i didn't say you could you could come in and they said well we said you have no choice so we're in here so at this point they have body camera footage from sergeant phillips here oh it's 2017 it's 2017 this is all this this is yeah he got oh shit we never get body cams so the camera shows he and detective herbert they walk guns drawn because they don't know who's there guns drawn walking so the camera shows he and detective Herbert, they walk guns drawn cause they don't know who's there. Guns drawn walking around the house.

Uh, one of the officers is yelling sheriff's office, come out, sheriff's office, come out. They're clear in the house. That's all. So, uh,

the video there shows debris lying throughout the scene. Just as Lopez had described it, the place is a fucking mess. Um, there are spaces large enough anywhere um their space is large enough anywhere that he thought was large enough to hold a body shine his flashlight in there try to see it the other detective detective chapa remains with the mother they get into the laundry room like you could put a body in a laundry room and when they get into the laundry room they discover

a large black plastic bag on the floor okay they're like all right uh they came in and rather they can't open it or mess with but they stood they felt the bag like they were kids trying to figure out what their christmas present was they felt yeah what is that um this would be a terrible christmas present they identify what they believe to be two feet oh no you know feet. Just feet. There's a little toesies there. There you go. Just a couple of feet in a bag.

It's not a pair of shoes. No, no. It's actual feet. They're like, oh, those are feet. That's not good. So they didn't open it or move it or do anything. They just said, oh, we'll wait for crime scene to get there. They could see the kitchen. And in the kitchen, they could see what appeared to be a body. What was left of a body wrapped in black plastic.

Um, at that point, one of the officers said, I could smell it. I can smell it. Can you smell it? He said, uh,

the other officer said that as they entered the home, uh, quote, as we entered the home, it smelled like something was decaying. Hey boy. And they were just looking for it. So, um, at that point they go get Betty and take her out entered the home it smelled like something was decaying hey boy and they were just looking for it so um at that point they go get betty and take her out of the home and you know move her out cold or not grandma you got to be outside now there's fucking body parts in here

we found feet you got to leave we we found appendages you have got to go i'm sorry because we found them yeah we got oh no nobody here missing feet okay then we gotta figure this out so they seal the house up and they go to get a search warrant obviously six hours after lopez lopez came in at 9 p.m the search warrant finally arrives at 3 a.m oh boy so they got there about 11 p.m um and now it's 3 a.m so they sat around waiting because i had to wake a judge up it's rural idaho it's a weekend too so it's not now it's 3 a.m. So they sat around waiting because I had to wake a judge up. It's rural Idaho. It's a weekend, too. So it's not like it's a Monday.

So, yeah, they have to wake a judge up and get him to sign a fucking search warrant and all that shit. So inside they find just like the other officers, they find the feet, they find the body wrapped in plastic. They find body parts all over the place. They find bones. They find a skull. They find body parts all over the place. They find bones. They find a skull. They find all sorts of crazy shit here. It's pretty wild. They end up collecting more than 150 photos of the crime scene, blood on couch cushions, blankets, a mattress.

There's blood everywhere. Debris from the wood stove in the home. All the debris in the wood stove in the home uh all the debris in the wood stove were bone fragments all of it that's the only debris that was in there was the only thing yeah everything else the only thing that wasn't burned was bone fragments so she was like burning wood and putting bones in there and breaking them up and so there's pieces of like burned bones but there was no anything else so So she's burning shit up. It got super hot and everything that was in there that was non-bone organic. Right.

It just went away. Yeah. But bones stuck around. Bones will stick around. Yeah. You got to really you got to get that temperature a little higher than a wood stove for that. Really got to roast that one. Yeah.

That's insane. Yeah. When they cremate you, it's a little bit different. So they find out who the young man is here. He is 30-year-old David Lee Davis. So it is David Davis. He does exist. Melanie with an O, the meth dealer, did kill David Davis in his house and spray brain matter all over the place and chop his feet off, just like the guy said.

Everything he said was true. It's the first time he's told the truth in his life. I don't know if that's true, but everything in his life, everything he said was true. It's the first time he's told the truth in his life and everything. I don't know if that's true, but everything in his life, everything he said was fucking true. Maybe consult his daughter on every story he tells from here on out. Yeah. Maybe he should stop doing meth and just hang out with his daughter. That seems like a better plan.

So this would make you stop doing meth. Like, wow, these are the people I'm consorting with. I really got to stop this shit. Fuck man. So David Lee Davis was 30 years old. He's the father of two boys and a girl or two girls and a boy. I'm sorry. He's got three kids.

He went to Meridian High School, went to Boise State. Oh, no shit. University. Yeah. He's everybody. His friend said he's a skateboarder and a snowboarder and a mountain bike guy and all that kind of shit. So he likes to do all that stuff. Also, a little bit of a drug problem was the issue.

That's why he even knows who Melanie Smith is. We'll get into that. One of his friends here said he was a very loving man. He was a great dad and a great friend. He would give the shirt off his back to help anyone. So if he wasn't dead, he would have helped her move the body probably because he's a nice guy but unfortunately it was his body so he sounds like a nice guy who got caught up in some drugs and he's got a drug problem and that's never a reason to have your feet chopped off and be killed in a double wide trailer you don't deserve that just because you're doing some math nobody does that's crazy

it's fucking nuts that's just it's it's a i mean really any hobby you got you don't deserve that no this is yeah exactly what if you just like to fish you're gonna cut his feet off for that i make fishing lures i'm a big fly fisher guy you don't deserve feet sir no so the forensic pathologist does the autopsy here and uh he was shot once in each thigh with a small caliber handgun okay is what he says just like he was told it's like they were told these wounds were not fatal oh and they also said that these wounds had been bandaged as well among other things that they found in the wounds, and we'll talk about that. The shot that killed him came from a larger caliber weapon, most likely some kind of hunting rifle,

and was fired execution style into the back of his head. My God. So this was way different, and the way they described it, they said it destroyed his skull. They also said that toxic levels of methamphetamine and hydrocodone were present in his blood as well when he was killed, which is here, the body was in the kitchen wrapped in black plastic and bound with wire around the plastic to take it somewhere. And then they found the legs bandaged and all that. The autopsy, they had a ton of pictures, too.

They're going to show a jury later on. The one here, they said the damage to the legs was a.22 Ruger pistol, more than likely, the bullet came from. They said, this is the guy here, the guy doing the examination. He said, quote, these were through and through, meaning there's an entrance wound and an exit wound. They're not fatal. So they're flesh wounds. They didn't hit any arteries. And unlike what a.22 does, a lot of the time it didn't bounce around and end up in his fucking shoulder

or something so he's very lucky actually. It didn't hit a bone so if it just goes to the meat and goes right the fuck through through and through so he said they weren't fatal they also he explains that the wounds in the lower thighs were just above the knees they had been

bandaged but under the bandages the wounds had been packed with tobacco what there's tobacco in the gunshot wounds stuffed in the gun like a bunch of tobacco like chewing tobacco or somebody broke up a marlboro either way but it's not like a not like a little dust it's like there's tobacco stuffed into the wounds and then bandaged. Which is like, what? Why is there tobacco? Like the guy in Gladiator, like pulling the maggots out of his face and packing them in.

That's so gross. Trying to use the guy's leg like an apple bong or what here? Well, I don't know what's going on, but it's... They're going to smoke it out of the back? Yeah, that's what I'm saying. This is just really disturbing to hear that um they also have pictures of the head wound and the brain matter that was in the baseball cap that he was wearing it actually came out like in his hat sprayed everywhere they also have a photo of davis's face and how the it's a uh 40 70 bullet what's that i don't know

what the you're the gun guy is it that's the that's the size uh yeah 0.4 0.40 caliber dash 70 bullet uh i don't know i guess that's a hunting rifle it's a high powered hunted high powered rifle bullet they said it's a hunting um and it's also they said. It's a hunting rifle. And it's also, they said, this one is an armor-piercing round as well. Oh, my God. So it's a hardcore round. Yeah. And caused severe distortion of the facial features as well. Yeah, that'll fuck your face up, yeah.

Oh, yeah. The medical examiner said, quote, this is the back of the head, which is essentially obliterated. And, yeah yeah it was they said he had tobacco in the one wounds in the legs wrapped in bandages then he was wrapped in a black plastic thing uh then there he was wrapped in a i'm sorry he was wrapped in a white plastic then a black plastic then put wire around he was like he was bundled so um also they find the video of uh they find some video here they uh the video surveillance technician for the fault fall uh fort hall casino they've talked about here and also the chubbuck walmart and the blackfoot walmart as well they're all going to get involved here video from the casino shows shows Melanie Smith and and David Davis in the casino starting around 1 a.m. and then leaving at 531 a.m. on February 10 Davis inside the casino on February 10th.

And then also they said that Smith was seen at a self-checkout stand in the Chubbuck Walmart around 630 a.m. on February 10th. She was at self-checkout stand number 50. What was she buying? 50 of them? No, that's I guess they might have. That might be include the regular registers, too. There might be 20 registers and 30 of those and whatever. That place is busy.

Who knows? It's probably the only place in the area to shop. It's probably one of those super crazy airplane hangar Walmarts. Definitely is. Yeah, one of those ridiculous ones. So, what do you think she's buying at Walmart at 6.30 a.m., Jimmy? Black plastic, twine, maybe some wire. Well, this is an hour after they left the casino, so I think he's still around.

Is she buying.40 caliber bullets? No, she's buying, quote, several cans of Wasp Killer that come in packs of two. What? Wasp Killer. Is this all going to cook meth? This is all going to come together beautifully, Jimmy. Wasps. Yeah, they said, were there any other items?

And they said they didn't have, they had copies of the receipts and all that sort of thing. So a friend of David Davis named Marie Baker, she said she was friends with him. She met him a few weeks earlier when I guess someone had stolen some shit from her. Okay. She's also does some meth. So who knows who they're all hanging out with. So someone had stolen some shit from her. And I guess David Davis got them back for her and returned her stolen items to her.

All right. So since then, they've been friends. I guess you're not in shining armor. Yeah. You're the meth guy I can trust. I mean, that's good. She also said that they, you know, had used meth a lot together. That was their main thing that they did when they hang out.

She said, quote, We would go to the casino and hang out with other friends. We didn't sleep much. I was using methamphetamines intravenously. Oh, boy. She's shooting meth. Shooting meth, spending the night at the casino like jesus god fucking a what is it with meth people in casinos they fucking love those

shitty desert casinos i guess because they're open in the middle of the night i'm i'm more hung up on how do you get to the point that you're shooting meth you know like oh that's your deep ass do you need that shit to react you You're fucking deep, man. But he said she does say that David Davis didn't shoot it. She said, quote, he smoked it. So he was he didn't shoot shit. She also told said that she had been clean for seven months and that before that. And then it got or now she had been clean for afterwards.

Once they talked to her seven months later, they said she had been clean for seven months. This whole thing kind of freaked her out, I think, and kind of got her off it. She did say that David Davis had been while they hung out would try to get her to quit use, quit shooting meth. He's like, just smoke it. You don't need to shoot it. Don't shoot it. It's bad for you. So they were to see your blood while we do this.

Yeah, that's the pot calling the kettle black a bit, but still. Pot calling your teeth black. Yeah. Pot calling your toothless face toothless. So they, yeah, she said that they went to the casino together on the night of February 9th. And once they got there, they each went to separate machines together because that's what people do at casinos. She also this one. No, they're going to sit next to each other.

They could take all our money. She said, quote, David was popular. I would go to my favorite machine and he would go talk to people he knew. So he's a social guy. Everybody likes him. That's another thing. She said later that night he asked if he could borrow her car. She has a white Pontiac Grand Prix. He asked to borrow it. And yeah, she said that she said that she also knew Melanie Smith and all that sort of thing. She said that before that night, though, she doesn't know if he knew Melanie. That's the other thing.

She's like, I don't know if they knew each other. Baker says, quote, I don't know if he knew Melanie, but he got a call that night from a female and her name was Melanie. She wanted him to come to her house in Pingree. He asked if I wanted to go. I didn't know where Pingree was and I wasn't comfortable going somewhere I didn't know. So I just letid use my car okay yeah you want to come out to the middle of nowhere to some lazy lady who don't know his trailer she's like i'm good i don't know if he knows her but he did get

a call from a melanie from a melanie that night i mean melanie has his fucking phone number they know each other they know each other yeah you want to hang out in the middle of the night they're calling to hang out and i guess yeah he was going to use that but they were he was going to use the car but then she came to the casino um now um she uh she says that davis was her best friend they met weeks earlier but they're best friends which is very fucking weird by the way her her danger meter is very good. Cause even though she shoots meth, she's like,

that doesn't sound like a good idea. That sounds dangerous. Even shooting meth. So she's got her, that's why she was clean for months afterwards. Cause she's got somewhat of her head, a head on her shoulders. So,

um, she said that, uh, um, yeah, she said that he invited me there and he said, we were going to go get high. She said, he said, this is my meth dealer and she wants to hang out.

Told her that they would, quote, have all the methamphetamine they wanted. It's going to be just a buffet of meth over there. You got to come. It's going to be amazing. I got her shit back once. So I'm her knight in aluminum foil. Come with me. I'm your knight in aluminum foil. Come with me. I'm your knight in aluminum foil.

So she said that she got a ride home with somebody else, and that was the last time she saw him. Now, Betty Duke. They talked to Betty Duke, Melanie's mom, 73-year-old Betty Duke. She was obviously living in the trailer with her daughter at the time. She said that she was taken to the sheriff's office. Her other daughter and her grandson picked her up. That is Kelly and Jeremy Leslie. That's Melanie's sister, Kelly, and Melanie's son, Jeremy.

So, yeah, she said they picked her up and took her to Boise after she was at the sheriff's department. Yeah, she said they picked her up and took her to Boise after she was at the sheriff's department. She said she didn't remember talking to them about what had happened, nor did she remember telling them later on that Melanie had shot David Davis. That's what she's telling the police. I didn't tell them any of that stuff. year old grandmother mother and then your grandson your son's grandmother up at the county sheriff's department because the home has been seized and raided wouldn't you ask some follow-up questions about that might be one or two they drove all the way to boise which we found out is three hours and 40 minutes away it's so far you're gonna tell me in a four-hour car ride that's because you know

the grandmother's gonna have to pee a couple of times too so between that and a kid there's gonna be pee stops yeah so you're gonna tell me that didn't bring up so what were you doing at the county sheriff's office that i have to pick you up at oh by the way at four o'clock in the morning what's up with that jesus christ man um so uh now on the other hand though kelly says that oh yeah mom told me all sorts of shit in the car so she's got a different way here um what betty does say is that she heard kevin day's voice when melanie came home and she said that she heard two shots in the early morning hours and then she said she and uh this was while she and melanie were sitting on her bed talking she heard two shots she said quote i heard pop pop i asked what the fuck happened i love

the great old lady melanie said oh my god it's kevin and she went running out then i heard kevin drive off what the fuck happened i love a 77 year old lady who curses at six in the morning that's good stuff yeah i've been watching football with an old man that is very much like you and he swears and it's my favorite thing in the world because he is in his 70s and it's fucking great it's truly hearing that old man say fuck is it brightens my day i love that shit yeah an old lady's even better though because that's oh god you just don't expect betty duke to be letting f-bombs fly something about it so then she said that melanie came back to her room for scissors hold on i went out now there's some stuff going i need scissors scissors to cut a bandage she told her mom she said that she she heard Kevin Day come back into the house, and then she heard a louder single gunshot.

She said that she didn't see who shot David Davis, but she did say that, yes, her daughter does know how to use a gun, but she could have sworn that Kevin Day came in the house and did something and nobody else. Melanie's story is that Kevin Day took off after he, or I'm sorry, Guy Lopez's story is that kevin day took off after he or i'm sorry uh guy lopez's story is that melanie told him dave day shot davis in the legs twice drove away so melanie's sister now kelly leslie and uh melanie's nephew jeremy they are obviously called upon to give some answers here they both tell the cops that they heard their bet Duke say that Melanie shot David Davis. She said, this is Leslie quote. She she said Melanie shot him in the head.

She said Melanie put him out of his misery like an animal. So Kelly also says that the mom told her someone had been shot at the house and that that Melanie had shot someone in the head. And then Kelly also said that Betty said that Melanie put alcohol on the wounds before she shot him in the head and then later wrapped the body in plastic. What about the tobacco? Yeah. What about that? What about the beach nut? Kelly also tells the police that oh yeah mom told

me this mom said that david that melanie said that day or yeah that david davis was quote crying like a little bitch and that melanie said something about putting him out of his misery like an animal because he's crying these are just really compassionate people right here he's been he's being a bitch twice he's been shot and he's fucking ridiculous oh he doesn't he wants to stop bleeding like a fucking come on what a bitch he doesn't want to bleed to death in my kitchen floor my disgusting trailer what a thing to say wow these people are fucking animals man this is disgusting so uh several more people come forward all acquaintances of melanie and all saying that she bragged about shooting david davis she's just going around bragging she

they also said that she had previously threatened to kill davis on another occasion that they were witnessed uh one of the witnesses michelle bennett she said she was at Melanie's home earlier that night. And she said that Melanie had a rifle and said, quote, that, quote, Melanie said it's locked and loaded. And there's one in the chamber for Davis. Wow. Earlier in the night. So she's alleging premeditation to the whole thing, not even just some sort of which it seems like a setup. You want to come to my house and smoke meth they get to the house kevin day shows up shoots him in the legs twice and then this all happens

do they well the accusation was he stole shit from her and you remember that that was the whole that's what he was she told guy lopez and right but that's enough to fucking do this it's weird i don't know if like the only fucking theory i can have on this that's logical is she set him up to be shot twice and you know kneecap his ass and then she was gonna just like bandage him up and send him on his way and he'd have learned a lesson but i guess she thought once it happened she might have went holy shit this is a lot deeper than that we just shot a guy he's bleeding out we're to have to go to the hospital. They're going to ask questions.

Somehow, my meth stash is getting found. Right. So instead of that happening, I'll just shoot this guy. It's easier to cover that up, I think, is what she thought. In the movies, when you shoot a guy in his leg, he walks it off and understands you don't fuck with those people. Yeah, that's what happens. Yeah, that happened to Wee Bay, and he just went to the hospital, said he caught a stray, and that was that. But this is two strays.

That's not logical. Yeah, and from close range isn't a stray either. It was like from three feet away. So they find Kevin Day, the man who allegedly started the shooting fucking spree. He says to the police that Melanie called and asked him for help disposing of the body. So that's that was what she said. He said she called me up, said, oh, I need to dispose of the body. And he said he was like, body.

Fuck you mean body. Right. I shot the dude in the leg. How the fuck is he dead? That's ridiculous. So instead of helping he called 9-1-1 he got the call from her said i don't know i'll get back to you hung up and then 9-1-1 uh yeah i gotta tell you some shit here so uh this is like a he's a hired hired muscle with a heart

over here what is this about he played the tape the first time he shot somebody he didn't like it he didn't care for it at least he didn't care for them being dead um so on the tape he says there's been a murder and then you can hear him say the word say the name melanie smith on it too on the tape so um now kevin day had he get involved he is david davis's old roommate oh god they used to be roommate uh roommates and uh he was at hanging out at smith's house melanie's house while they were at the casino day says that he didn't like davis due to their past conflicts since they've been roommates and all that shit together he said he shot davis twice then he gave melanie the pistol and he left the scene that's his story he said he ended up taking off once it all came out and so uh he ended up being arrested in california on an

unrelated charge and uh then they ended up bringing him in here for obviously shooting a man in the legs so um anyway he says that uh he was a good friend of melanie smith's he says that he was a good friend of Melanie Smith's. He says that Smith came to the home of Kelly Black, where he was staying at the time, and asked him for help. He said that he loaned Smith money to purchase wasp repellent to make fake methamphetamine to sell to people. What? She's selling people fucking fake meth that's made of wasp repellent. This is what Day says. Quote, she said she could spray it on a screen between two car batteries and make what looked like meth. Oh, my God.

Yeah. When asked if it worked like meth, he said, no, I have tried it and nothing happened. I have tried it. He smoked his wasp repellent it didn't work um yeah so they said after purchasing the wasp spray that's when um uh melanie transferred her 22 caliber handgun from her chevy suburban to the ford escape he was driving went over there that's the walmart trip when she went to get the wasp repellent so kevin day says that then they went uh um at that point smith left her her suburban in the chubbuck walmart parking lot and drove with kevin day to her home in pingree

he said that shortly after arriving at melanie's house david pulled into house, David Davis pulled in with the white Grand Prix that he borrowed. And that's when he got out. That's when Day shot him in the legs. So he says that Davis had been making threats toward him for weeks. And that's why he did it. He also says that when Davis arrived at the house, Davis exited his car, yelled Day's name, Kevin Day's name, and began to approach him. That's when he said he fired two shots. He said he came over to start some shit.

And even though we were setting him up to shoot him, he was still starting the shit. You know what I mean? He said, quote, and this is what he'll say in court later, quote, I was protecting myself. He had been threatening me, and I knew he often carried a knife, a hatchet or a firearm. So he said that, yeah, at that point after the shooting, which was spontaneous, he's saying at this point, he said that that's when Melanie came out of her house and was yelling. He said he handed her the gun, got his dog and drove away from the scene. OK, he did this in front of his dog. Unbelievable.

That poor dog had to watch all this and go, you fucking trash people. Why can't I be adopted by better people? Better people who don't smoke meth and take me on shootings. You know? You take your dog. Let's take the dog to the store or that restaurant where you sit outside. Yeah, he's like, let's take the dog to where I'm going to shoot a guy in the legs over a meth where you sit outside yeah he's like let's take the dog to where i'm going to shoot a guy in the legs over a meth debt so yeah um he said that he went back to

the the lady's house kelly black where he was staying and uh the guy and told him what he had done and later the black person not she's not a black person her name is black black these are all white very white people by the way um also said that he heard smith tell kevin day that she quote finished what he started so she was happy to tell anybody about this had to clean up after that lazy fuck jesus christ uh fuck man so uh kevin day was asked about his meth use uh Melanie and with David Davis. Day, he said, yeah, he said he doesn't. Oh, that's what she told him.

She told him, quote, I finished what you started. He doesn't have a head anymore. Oh, boy. That's what she said. And then she took his feet off as well. Day also produces a note that she wrote wrote him that melanie wrote kevin day this is after she told him over the phone about the killing the note said she wanted day to come back to her and that she'd show him a piece of davis's skull as proof she killed him oh god so yeah uh that's when day and the guy

he was staying with agreed to report the murder to law enforcement and call 911. And that's how that happened. Now, Guy Lopez, he said he met Melanie through a friend and had visited her mobile home in Pingree three times. He considered her a friend when she called him on February 10th and said that she needed help. If someone calls you and they need help disposing of a body, you better be a fucking friend. It's a very good friend. You what i mean that will help you the best yeah that's a really tight person listen this is what happened crazy shit right we're friends right we're buddies right what do you think so but i then again i wouldn't turn you in for killing someone unless it was like i killed this kid and after after I raped him a bunch of times, like Jimmy, I'm going to jail.

I hunted this person. Yeah, that would be different. That'd be totally different. But if you were like, dude, there's this crazy thing and these meth people were coming and this happened, that happened. I had to defend myself, man. I'd be like, fuck, where how do we get the fire that hot? You know what I mean? I mean, I'm sorry, but I'm Italian.

You know those kerosene balls? Yeah, those things we used in your yard. I'm Italian. It's in my blood. I'd have to help you. I'd have to. So anyway. I'll throw up a lot, but I'll help.

Hold on a minute. I assure you, I will throw up a lot. Yeah, I'd be bad at that. I wouldn't be good at any sort of body disposal. I'm not into guts and gore and shit at all. Oh, my God, so many times. You'd be like, we get it. I've heard it.

I understand. You're not comfortable with this, Jimmy. You'd be like Henry Hill in Goodfellas when he's puking, and they're like, hey, let's go to my mother's house after this for some sausage and peppers. What do you like, Henry? The breast and a wing. What do you want?

You're still in the old hearts and lungs. So a leg or a wing. So he says, anyway, Lopez says he considered her a friend and that she needed help. He told her, pick me on up. I'll help you out with whatever you got going on and uh she picked him up along with her three dogs three dogs witness this good god everybody's got so many dogs everybody's got dogs five cars what the hell's going on here picked him up in blackfoot he learned about the shooting as they drove to pingree he was distraught she said she shot someone blah blah blah he recounted there are melanie this is the

quote from davis or this is a quote from guy lopez that melanie gave him about the whole thing quote she's uh melanie said he was on his knees talking about davis by the couch and he was telling her that he didn't want to die and that he wanted to see his kids again and that he needed a doctor because he'd been shot in the legs twice. So Melanie said she gave him two hydrocodone for the pain and a glass of water. When he reached to set the water down, she shot him in the head with an armor piercing 45-70. She said it was like putting a dog out of its misery.

45 or 40? That's what he said. That's his quote, but the medical examiner said 40 40 75 so that's his quote that's all we know so i don't know if he's off on the caliber or whatever the fuck it is but either way idaho hill trash i'll bet he knows he probably knows better than the medical examiner better than the scientists here so either way though large large hunting rifle round through the head at close range at execution style while he's putting his glass down, thinking she was helping him. Yeah.

So, yeah, she ends up being arrested. The cops didn't give up anything to the public at this point because they didn't know who else was involved or anything else. So they weren't giving out any details. So Melanie, she explains she's got a side to this story what's her side what's melanie's possible excuse here she said how um you know she met david davis and that while she didn't consider him a friend she said he also wasn't my enemy you know just a guy jesus i hate to see if she really didn't like you

she said i had a problem with him in the past but it wasn't so much with him but with his friends. And then she said that they met at Fort Hall Casino early in the morning. And when they arrived at her home, she said she went into the house to check on her mother, whom she'd been taking care of. While visiting with her mother, she heard gunshots outside. as one does at seven o'clock in the morning assume some people had an argument yeah she's like i just wanted to make my fake wasp repellent meth and then this is going on screwing my whole day up just hanging out with my mom making wasp repellent meth you know how it goes wasp repellent meth this is new we've goes. Wasp repellent meth. This is new. I didn't even know that was a thing.

No. Spray it on a screen between two interstate batteries? Between two batteries. That's what I don't understand. Is there some sort of charge that happens? Right. Do you got to put the screen on one pole and then on the other and spray it until it like boils with the carbon?

I don't understand. Or do you use the battery acid? What the fuck is happening? How do these fucking meth heads figure this shit out is what I don't understand do you use the battery acid what the fuck is happening how do these fucking meth heads figure this shit out is what i don't understand how do you how do you do it who sprayed that onto a screen was like looks like meth between two batteries you know that's like a real accident that's a complicated formula and someone came up with it's like you gotta do it we gotta do between two batteries and they gotta be half full of juice i'm not too full nope no that one's dead i don't understand it so um yeah she said quote i ran outside and david was

hopping from one foot to the other too bad they were both shot yeah she said i went in the house and got some crutches and helped him into the house okay she's just got spare crutches lying around she said quote and this this is again again i have to just rub my eyes put my head down and go what the fuck wasp repellent meth and then this stop you can't make meth out of things and you can't do this i heard tobacco would stop the bleeding so i put it in the wounds and wrapped his legs she packed tobacco in there where did you hear that shit where did you hear that yeah anything absorbent stuffed into the thing with the infections war veteran were you hanging out

what battle of antietam veteran told you we lost a whole battalion down there. What the fuck are you talking about? I was running across an open field. I took a musket ball to the shoulder. I just jammed that shit full of beechnut and I was fine. No problem. Shiloh, 1863. Like, what? What is she doing?

My darling Linda. I was shot through the stomach with a musket ball, but luckily my fellow compatriots stuffed the wound full of their pocket tobacco until it done stopped bleeding. Now I'm on the mend and shall be home to you in a matter of four short days of a train ride. Now the pain in my loins of missing you

is greater than that of the musket ball still in there greater than that of the musket ball only now i just can't stop using tobacco it's i don't know why i'm addicted so now i'm addicted and i and i shit sideways but i still miss you more than you know still the pain of not seeing you is tenfold the pain of being shot through the stomach by the musket ball of one sworn enemy put a little flower on it jimmy so she also said she was going to take him to the hospital yeah i was planning on taking the hospital but i but he asked her to give him five minutes he said hey give me five minutes maybe i'll heal in five minutes that's what he said he goes that's her story her story

what are you talking about her story is these will close up in five minutes don't worry about me i said grab my keys they They were in my hand. I said, we're going to the hospital. And he said, give me five minutes. See if I can kick out of this. I might be able to. I feel something just stirring. I think the tobacco is working.

It's working. I think it's okay. You know what? I'm getting a better. I'll tell you, you want to go outside and play horse or something? Shoot around? I'm feeling good right now. I'm part starfish.

I regenerate. Yeah, just regenerate. I'm like a fucking lizard with its tail except it's my legs they just heal right crazy and my legs they don't get shot you know how it goes they don't he said give him five give me five give me five so she said that this is her fucking real story she said cool i'll give you five i'm gonna lay down for a minute i'll take like a quick five minute nap while you see if your legs are gonna self-heal gonna self-heal like terminator 2 and he said she said quote i laid my head down she how long of a nap are you gonna take take? He said five. And then I heard a gunshot. And I looked up and his head bounced and his mouth dropped.

Then I heard this terrible laugh. Mwahaha. When asked, well, who shot him? Where would the laugh come from? She said, Kevin Day. Then he left. Then he left. That's it. i looked terrible at muahaha i did it now he's couldn't have shot him outside when i had a gun on him and was shooting him already i decided i'm gonna shoot this man twice give you the pistol i'm gonna leave i'm gonna come I'm going to leave. I'm going to come back and find your rifle. Shoot him.

Laugh hysterically and then go home. So they said, well, Melanie, what did you do then? I mean, good God, she's dead in your living room. Now what? She said, quote, a bunch of dope. That's what she did. What did you do? Quote, a bunch of dope.

Quote, I grabbed a needle and shot a bunch of dope. I haven't shot up in 10 years. Where were the needles there for them just for to hand them out well mom could be a diabetic we have no idea so they um yeah they said that she then she after she shot up a bunch of dope she left the body lying on half on her couch half on her floor and went to blackfoot to get more wasp repellent it that makes a lot of sense yeah she was asked why she didn't go to the police why didn't you go to the police her answer quote i had five pounds of meth at my house i didn't want the police to find it yeah but you also witnessed a terrible murder in your house in your living room what's her plan to go make fake meth and try to be like it's all

fake see i don't know if fake yeah i don't know if this is like stepping on it like this is like adding some shit to coke like powder coke to make it more weight so you're you get like you have five pounds of meth you mix it with three pounds of wasp propellant you got eight pounds of meth you know what i mean like and it does nothing to you so uh it's some of it does some of the eight yeah it's very safe you know what everyone smoke wasp propellant so uh kids smoke that wasp propellant so while she's in jail awaiting her trial guy lopez tells the court that three masked men broke into his residence that he was staying in in pocatillo beat him and his girlfriend silly and warned him not to testify against melanie smith which when you have five pounds of meth you can get people to do just about anything yeah you can you could you could get 20 people to go do that

if you have five pounds of meth that's so much meth um he didn't report the attack to police but recorded it reported it to the court later on like didn't call the cops but then when he was brought in to be questioned and the whole thing he was like by the way there's people who don't want me to testify but they go do we believe him or not he's like one for 20 and that's in fantastical stories. So is he going to tell the truth? Fantastic, too. That's what I mean.

They're like, now is he just on a truth binge from now on? Or now do we go back to Guy's a liar? Like, how do we deal with Guy Lopez now? So they asked him, her attorneys at a hearing ended up asking him if he had submitted to a polygraph exam. And he stated that he had not whether he was attacked or not so there's a preliminary hearing and by the way david davis his grandparents are there dave and shirley davis dave davis and shirley davis are there and um they were obviously very upset they they described their grandson as an accomplished tradesman

who loved his three children but struggled with his addiction and uh his grandfather said it's tough to sit here and listen to all of this but it has to be done poor bastard man that poor bastard so melanie's charged with murder in the first degree and destruction alteration or concealment of evidence she moves to suppress the evidence saying that the search of her house was in violation of the fourth, fifth and sixth amendments of the Constitution of the United States of America because the officer's entry into her house was without a warrant, without consent and not justified by exigent circumstances. That's what her claim is so um the uh the court ends up denying that saying that

based upon information known to the officers at the time they secured the home uh an exigency existed to preserve the evidence of a serious crime and um yeah they also said that uh they they did say though that the cops shouldn't have been saying that they were there to make sure no one needed medical attention because if they were following their story, they thought he was dead already anyway. So whatever. So anyway, not only dead, had his head in a wood stove. So not like, oh, he was shot, but he could still be breathing. His head was removed and he had no feet. But they said that they still had a reason to believe that other persons besides Betty Duke might have been in the house and may have been armed and dangerous, especially because there was an extra car.

And when Duke reentered the house after it was seized, they had reason to escort her and conduct a protective sweep for their own safety. That's what the court says. If they walk into the house with her, they don't know if there's people with guns. They have to sweep the house to make sure they're not going to get ambushed is the legal justification. So they also said that the discovery of the body in the plastic bag occurred in plain view during the protective sweeps. They weren't opening drawers or looking in the washing machine or anything. It was in a fucking plastic bag on the floor. or anything. It was in a fucking plastic bag on the floor. So they said that even if the officer's warrantless entry into Smith's home had been illegal, the evidence seized pursuant to the

warrant would have been inevitably discovered. So that's another law that you come up with. If you let's say you you you do a bad search search, you weren't allowed to conduct any of the evidence taken from that search. They could find five Girl Scouts hanging from meat hooks in your fucking living room. If they went in there in a legally illegal way, that is fruit of the poisonous tree is what they call that illegally. It's a fucking thing. So they're saying this is inevitable discovery. This isn't an accident. There was a warrant on the way.

That house was going to be searched every inch of it within the next couple hours anyway. And with the people out of the house, that would have been discovered. End of story. So it's just inevitable. That's how they do it. So Melanie goes to trial. She goes to trial. Kevin Day testifies against her obviously um now on cross

exam kevin day is questioned by melanie smith's attorney and he asked day if day was glad that davis was dead so day answered quote i'm sorry the man lost his life i didn't want to see anyone die they were like didn't weren't you thrilled? Guy Lopez also testified that she was a meth dealer. She supplied him because they had to set up the whole thing of what this relationship tree is, basically, because you have to set it up for court. Otherwise, this is very confusing. It's a big tree, too. It's a big tree.

Yeah. There's meth rotting the branches and the roots, so there's some that are half broken off. It's got a wasp nest. Wasp nest. Luckily, plenty of repellent for that, though. It's got like half the leaves it should have, even in the middle of the summer. It's just dirty. So Betty Duke also testifies at trial.

And Duke testifies that she said that she was picked up by her grandson and her and her and her daughter and she said i didn't talk to them about shit um i don't know what you're talking about but then they say well that's funny your daughter says that you've made several statements about what happened and everything like that and uh melanie's lawyer was objecting, saying it was hearsay. shot at the house specifically that melanie had shot someone in the head and also told about the alcohol and the crying like a little bitch and all that here's the q a with her question uh and during your trip did your mother make any statements to you about anything that occurred answer she did question what was it uh what was she she was talking to you about and uh they object overruled and so kelly says she was talking about what happened at melanie's house that someone had been shot what else did she tell you she said about

wrapping the body in plastic and that she asked melanie quote are you going to do black plastic or the white plastic what they're not wrapping up fucking au gratin potatoes to send someone home with after Thanksgiving. Like, are you using tin foil or are you doing the cling wrap? What? Are you going to do the black plastic or the white? What are we doing here with this body? What the fuck, man?

Black cake, white stripes or white cake, black stripes? What are we doing? What are we doing? I'm starting to think the mother should be in jail here. Yeah yeah starting to think maybe this girl's problem stemmed from her mom just just because she's 73 doesn't mean she's not an accessory here she she could have called the cop she could have done or whatever the fuck she could have done you can't do this you can't just participate and go which plastic are we using for him? This is nuts, man. It's like she's proud of her for a little project.

Oh, that's a nice choice, honey. I would have chose the white plastic, but the black looks great. The black, you know what? That way you can't see through to his face. It makes sense. You know, you don't want anyone stumbling over this. They said, and do you recall anything else she said? And the answer, well, she said they had put alcohol in his wounds prior to him being shot in the head. Question.

And then what happened? Then what did she say happened? Answer. Hmm. Let me think back. Quote, and that he was crying like a little bitch. That's what my mom said. So that wasn't what Melanie said.

That's what Betty's description was. Unreal. Betty said he was crying like a little bitch so melanie shot him like a dog to put him out of his misery yeah mom is a problem she's betty duke is an issue here this is like she says what the fuck she's that's i like that part crying like a little bitch and what plastic are we using i don't't care for that. That is not behavior. That is not small-town murder approved behavior. We've said this is and this isn't. This definitely is not approved.

So let me think back is another thing I love that she said. Let me think back. Oh, that's what she said. Question, and did she say something about putting that person out of their misery or anything along those lines? Answer, she said something like, you know, like with an animal that she put him out of their misery or anything along those lines answer she said something like you know like with an animal that she put him out of his misery wow that is um and then they said who did she say specifically who did that she said melanie had so then jeremy comes on that's kelly's daughter

melanie's niece betty's grandson or melanie's nephew betty's grandson. He comes up, question, and you picked up, did you pick your grandmother up? Yeah, a little bit, yeah. What does that mean? Did you pick your grandmother up? Yeah, a little bit, yeah. He picks her up and walks her around. What does that mean?

You gave her a ride from the fucking police station to Boise. That's a yes or no question. Not a little bit. We dropped her off halfway through. we couldn't take her anymore yeah but he yap yap yap white plastic black plastic this one's crying like a little bitch there's brain everywhere enough already grandma you think of your grandma sometimes call an uber grandma it's so weird yeah a little bit yeah and did she talk about what happened answer a little bit yeah that's i think that's just what this guy says that's just his basic deal that's his yeah from what

is that kid's brendan that brendan kid said yeah all the time a little bit yeah question okay and what did she indicate had? They object overruled and they said, go ahead. Uh, and he, or they object the court overrules the objection. And he says, do I go ahead now? Or cause he doesn't know fucking court procedure. He's a kid and they go, yes, now you can go ahead. Quote, okay, she said there had been somebody had been killed and that it had taken place at their house. That a gentleman was shot outside of the house, brought into the house, and that she didn't see anything but she heard gunshots. So, yeah, that's how that worked. It's kind of what he said. Same shit that she had said to them earlier. Melanie's going gonna testify on her own behalf okay she's got no other choice she's got everybody out there being like oh yeah she's the neighborhood meth dealer who said she was super thrilled about

shooting a dude in the head and i mean it's bad it's bad for her she needs to really explain a lot of shit she takes a stand herself and she is charged obviously with shooting him and concealing and all that um she jesus christ she explained she met him and that while she didn't consider him a friend she's not an enemy all the shit she said earlier um she said that the day this happened she returned to the home she and uh you, Day had shot him in the head. Day did everything. What a terrible laugh. All that shit.

You know what I mean? She said that at that point that she started to get scared and she didn't contact the police because she said, if I contacted the police, I was afraid that Kevin Day might have come back and shoot me to get back at me for calling the cops on him. She said she wasn't strong enough to move the body on her own. So she asked Guy Lopez for help. Just like he said, she said that Lopez helped her move the body, wrap it and clean parts of the house. So I don't know if that's true or not. Yeah. If he took himself out of it a little bit or not.

Either way, he did the right thing. He got home and he went and called the cops. And he didn't participate in the killing. So for him coming forward, it's worth all the rest of it, I think, in my opinion. If I'm a prosecutor, I'm not going to put him in jail. He didn't kill anybody. I mean, he did. So what? He wiped the countertop down.

He wiped the countertop. He helped her move. He was probably scared shitless. She gave him meth as the other thing, too. So he was probably scared shitless she gave him meth as the other thing too so he was probably you gotta appease he's beholden yeah i mean she's she's already proven she murders folks so you know i mean if he waited six months to come forward it'd be different but he literally got home talked to his daughter and went right to the police station like he didn't even wait till the next day it was like nine o'clock at night when he got there so

that's you know that's a lot so the question to her question okay we've seen a video of police showing up on your doorstep and melanie says yes uh question so why not just let them in and let them in to walk around she says quote because i was afraid they'd not handle the evidence correctly stomp on everything and tear everything up she's worried about she's worried about preservation of the crime scene that's what she's worried about in my in my case that's what i need that's yeah i went to walmart not to get the wasp repellent but to get some of that crime scene tape i needed to keep people the fuck out of here i was going to call in for a fingerprint guy

yeah you know i had a lot of full of booties for the fellas yeah we were i was going to cut swaths of my carpet out for dna with the blood soaking there was a lot going on here what are you kidding me i was afraid they'd not handle the evidence correctly and stomp around and tear everything up i was afraid i'd get off that's why yeah jesus i wanted to preserve get away with this i had a real'm going to get away with this. I had a real concern I might get away with this by the police destroying all the evidence of my participation of this murder and dismemberment that I fucking did. She had to cut the man up for fuck's sake. That's crazy. She cut his feet and his head off.

And maybe his hands. I don't know what else was burning besides his head. But bones of some kind. Shins. I don't know. Stuff. Bones. bones bones and stuff is that the name of this episode bones and stuff i think it might be so uh we've had a meth falcon

now we have a wasp repellent falcon it's a different thing it's the idaho meth falcon idaho meth falcon it's just a can of wasp repellent. So she said that. Then she said, and then we had some concerns. I love this, too. Some concerns about my mom's weed pipes and some drug paraphernalia. Yeah. Not the five pounds of meth she had in the lab in her fucking shed. She was concerned with some paraphernalia I had lying around.

You know how that goes. You get a little bit of weed and i was in mormon country so you know yeah they're real sensitive about it you know how it goes mom's weed pipe and all so closing arguments come around and uh they use her repeated refusals to consent to search to the house to kind of impeach her version of the events if you're so concerned about stuff, please give me a break here. The prosecutor says, quote, he gets her good here. He says, what else has the defendant said? We talked about her three stories. We talked about the story that she gave law enforcement at the door.

We talked about the story that she provided today. We talked about the story she provided to her friends. Quote, now, if we take the defendant's version and the defendant's version today, I don't the story that she provided today. We talked about the story she provided to her friends. Quote, now, if we take the defendant's version and the defendant's version today, I don't want to tell you how to consider what she said, but I want to point out those inconsistencies that she said. When law enforcement arrived at her residence, she told them that Kevin had shot David Davis in the legs and that he had left. No one was hurt there. Nobody was there. Nothing happened inside the residence. They just needed to leave and go about their business. That's what she wanted them to do because she had something to hide. She preferred that's what they do because

she had something to hide. She had the body of David Davis died. Fair enough. So jury goes to goes to the jury about an hour into deliberations they are they asked to review the first video of the cops clearing the house they want to see that video again which is that's usually when you're parsing charges when you start asking for specifics of things like that that's usually like if you're trying to compromise between somebody wants first degree murder and somebody wants manslaughter. Let's get. Well, yeah, this is the jurors usually when they have multiple charges to talk about whether it's going to be a lesser, a murder, a manslaughter, a second degree, a first degree when they have the options. They start asking for shit like this to figure out how they can like parse that in their brain.

How capable is this person for this? Right. Exactly. So the bail is this person for this? Right. Exactly. So the bailiff played it for them. And then after about, then they talk for another two and a half hours and then they're adjourned for the evening. So that's three and a half hours and watching the video.

The next morning they come in and they deliberate for about an hour and a half again. And then they've come out with it. They do have a verdict here. They have a verdict here they have a verdict verdict comes in that uh they find melanie guilty of murder in the first degree and destruction alteration or concealment of evidence uh so yeah um she is found guilty of everything she there's a she could get up to life She'll be sentenced to 10 years to life in prison. So who knows what that anywhere in there 10 years to life she could get.

So she could get 10 years. Yeah. And could possibly get an additional five years in prison for felony destruction, concealment and alteration of evidence and all that shit. So the reaction to the verdict is the family said they're very pleased. His aunt, David Davis's aunt, Kelly Mooney, said, quote, We are ecstatic. We couldn't have asked for any better. It doesn't bring David back, but it gives a little justice and it lets other people know that they can't get away with murder. In court, David was painted as a drug addict and a thief.

He was a good boy that got caught up in a bad world he couldn't get out of, and she took away his chance to get out. Yeah, dude, he was 30 there's a lot i know a lot of people who when they were 30 they were complete disasters drug addicts alcoholics i mean but like to the point where their lives were a fucking mess and they were hurting other people and all that shit and then they turned it around because the the meth is the main problem here it's normally not this person's got a terrible character and then you throw meth in. It could be good or bad character. When you throw meth in, it fucks the whole thing up. Yeah, and also the behavior is beholden upon the ability to get meth.

Like everything that they do is going to push them. The common goal with every action they make is to, at the end of the day, I need to get meth. That's the thing. And you have to keep being able to push them. The common goal with every action they make is to, at the end of the day, I need to get meth. That's the thing, and you have to keep being able to get it. You have to keep getting money for it. It's a lot here. It's a cyclical problem, and the family, I think, said it pretty well here.

Now, the sentencing comes around for her anywhere from 10 years, maybe with an extra five, to life in prison here and um i don't to me i don't think she's really been that sympathetic of a of a defendant here at all i think what she did and what she's told other people was pretty cold-blooded and uh it's not like she's perfect otherwise she's a meth dealer on top of it so I don't think that's going to help her chances with an Idaho jury is what I'm getting at here. And the judge tells her, you, ma'am, may fuck off life in prison. Oh, boy. Gave her the whole shebang, man.

Got her life. Yep. So, yeah, in for life. In jail in 2019, she is arrested for battery while in prison. Who should beat up? I don't know. It doesn't say who. It could be an inmate.

It could be a guard. Some tells me if it's charged like this, it's probably a guard. There's usually only two choices there of the victim. Yeah. That's probably a good point. Yeah. There's nobody else in the jail. Yeah.

So who else is there? Yeah. Good point. There's nobody else in the jail. So who else is there? Yeah. Good point. So on the appeal, obviously, the main point on the appeal is should police have come into her home?

That's the main thing that she's appealing here. The state cites compelling reasons. They said that it's reasonable to believe that other persons besides the mother might be in the house. Five vehicles in the driveway. They knew that she'd contacted at least one and most likely two other people to help her destroy evidence right you know what the fuck here second they said based on guy lopez's statement that smith had placed at least part of the skull and quote bones and stuff in the wood burning stove this is when he said that dumb shit can you imagine that that would be like in these decisions of appeals? I saw bones and stuff, man.

He had no idea how important that phrase is. None. Not to us and to everybody. Bones and stuff. Bones and stuff. I don't know what that is. I'm writing that down right now. Bones and stuff.

That's definitely the name is so funny. That is wild. Evidence can continue to be destroyed. Third, Smith's home was dark and cluttered, making it difficult for the officers to see what Duke was doing if she went into the home unaccompanied. So they said for all the officers knew when Duke turned away and reentered the home, she could have gone to the wood-burning stove or taken some other action to destroy evidence. In support of this, the state highlights that as far as the officers knew, Duke had seen Smith commit the murder two days prior, made no effort to report the murder, made no mention of the murder when officers showed up on her front porch. Thus, it was reasonable for the officers to suspect that Duke was protecting her daughter and could have been willing to destroy evidence to do so.

Yeah, I think so. That's called an accessory after the fact, I think. And I think that's what she's doing here. That's exactly what it sounds like. I'm not a prosecutor to charge anybody with anything. I'm not saying that's what she did, but just layman's ears. Sounds like it. They said,

based on Guy Lopez's statements, it's reasonable for the officers to infer that Melanie could have continued to destroy evidence herself. Duke could have continued to destroy evidence, or Smith could have contacted someone else to destroy evidence after Lopez declined to help her. In addition, evidence could have been destroyed simultaneously with the officer's investigation. In addition, evidence could have been destroyed simultaneously with the officer's investigation. In particular, the fact that George Lopez observed part of the skull and, quote, bones and stuff in the wood-burning stove an hour before he went to the police station is compelling evidence that Smith's efforts to destroy evidence could have been ongoing and continuing even after she was detained. Thus, the officers had reason to be concerned that the time it would take to obtain a warrant might allow evidence of a violent crime to be destroyed.

So they said, you're you're fucked on that one, Melanie, with a no. Then there's the sweep exception that they have here. They say that the district court considered whether the, quote, protective sweep exception to the warrant requirement applied here. the, quote, protective sweep exception to the warrant requirement applied here. That is the fact that they not only locked down the house, but that they did a sweep of the house to make sure that no one was in there. He said, follow this is from the court following the in-home arrest of the suspect. The police could conduct a protective sweep of the premises, provided they had a reasonable articulable suspicion that the area to be swept could harbor

an individual posing a danger to those on the arrest scene which they know there's guns they know there's meth they don't know how many cars people it's right it's a fucking meth trailer with a driveway full of cars anybody could be in there you know and i'm not i'm not a person obviously as you know that takes the police side all the time. We fucking make fun of them most of the time and all this type of shit. But on this type of thing. When you're told there's four, it leads you to believe there might be another person. You're going into a meth trailer with a fucking brain all over the walls. I don't give a fuck what you do.

Protect yourselves because you have no idea if some crazy meth addict is going to pop out with a fucking shotgun and shoot you. Seriously, Who knows? The fifth car was the Grand Prix probably, right? I think it was the Grand Prix. Can you imagine loaning your car to somebody to go to a little trip and then three days later they're still not back? Yeah. And then it's crime scene.

Then it's part of evidence. Fuck. This poor girl, she doesn't have other cars. No. She's a fucking meth addict. She didn't have any. She was shooting it. She had no other cars. That means she didn't have other cars. No. She's a fucking meth addict. She didn't have any. She's shooting it. She had no other cars.

That means she didn't have a car for months, that poor woman. Southeastern Idaho meth head. Poor thing. Poor fuck. She couldn't get to the casino ever. No. So they said they observed five vehicles, giving reason to believe that other persons besides them were in the house. There's dangerous drugs in the house.

They've heard that it's a meth lab in there. Could be fucking anybody in there. Yeah. So they said that Smith also informed the officers that also claims that Guy Lopez told the officers that multiple people were in the driveway. So she says that shouldn't have made them any suspicious. She said there's always a lot of cars in the driveway. They say no protective sweep was necessary. She argues the inevitable discovery thing.

She argues that inevitable discovery doctrine does not apply to prevent the suppression of the evidence gained from the unlawful search because the search warrant was based on, in part, information obtained during that unlawful search, which is the fruit of the poisonous tree. And they go, no, stupid. That's not how that works you're not very bright neither is your lawyer dismissed fucker get out of here so also talking about the prosecutor's opening okay they said that the the prosecutor expressly argued to the jurors that they should draw impermissible inferences from his closing remarks by stating that smith told the officers they just needed to leave and go about their business that's what she wanted them to do because she had something to hide she preferred that that whole quote there um so the state concedes that a prosecutor is not allowed to comment on a defendant's exercise of a constitutional right therefore if someone doesn't chooses not to testify you can't say they didn't want to testify

what are they hiding you're not allowed to say that that's that's automatically fucking out so um they said acknowledging a prosecutor might doesn't have to do that even so the state contends any comments must be evaluated in light of the defense conduct and the context of the entire trial. State argues that a defendant may not use constitutional right as both a shield and a sword, saying if the defendant explains to the jury why she exercised her constitutional right, the prosecutor can respond by explaining the state's view of why they exercise that right. It's the same thing with a character. If you bring it up, now it with the character if you bring it up now it's open now you brought it up so now we can talk about it you you're essentially waving a right at that point so yeah um so they tell her get fucked yeah go on and get out of here and uh get back to prison that was 20 There was a 2020 and a 2021 even earlier. Another decision.

So she's been denied all appeals. And I mean, she has time to go. Obviously, she's got her whole life ahead of her. She's what, 50 now or some shit? 50, 52, 53. Who knows? So that's how that goes. I don't know.

From what I found, Betty Duke isn't dead yet. So there's that. Poor David Davis. He didn't have much of a chance here he's only 30 that's what sucks like and a father you know father he's 30 dude he had a lot of time to fucking turn this around and you know and he had a family that liked him and he had kids and he had like a trade also like these are all um these are all things that you like stilts that you would need to stand on if you were going to get clean from meth you would need family support you know something to live for your kids support from your family and actually something that you could do that could

be different like and make a living at which if you had a trade great you're right that these are all he had all the tools to get out of it and uh it's just fucking sad that the guy didn't have a chance to. From what I understand, it doesn't seem like he was in meth for that long. It doesn't seem like he wasn't a 20-year guy. Yeah, he was only 30. He certainly had a chance. Sounds like this happened within the last five years, which is just really fucking sad, because this Melanie Smith lady has been living this rugged life for years.

Oh, God. Since 92, at least. Yeah. She's getting arrested for prostitution in 92. She was like 24 years old at that point. So, wow, that's that's a lot. That's just a lot. So she's still in jail.

From what I understand, Kevin Day was arrested and he was put in for something else but i can't find what the fuck his resolution was he had to have gone to jail for this i know he testified against her but they had to have given him something something right no fucking a guy the only way that i could think is maybe they gave him immunity and told him to really lean on the self-defense thing and just say that we gave him immunity because there was a touchy meth situation. But if you're putting yourself in touchy meth situations, I feel like that's on you at that point. Yeah. Generally, if you're if you're defending yourself and fearful of your life, kneecap and somebody isn't your first option.

Yeah, usually not. I mean, it's honestly you hear people say that all the time, though. Like when cops kill people, they'll say, why didn't you just shoot him in the leg? And this guy shot him in the leg. But he shot him in the leg twice, which is like, you owe the mafia money style. Like, you know, that's not, I'm scared, so I shot somebody. I need this man alive, you know what I mean? Yeah, exactly.

That's pow, pow. Now get me my money, motherfucker. That's what that is you owe too much for me to kill rectify your leg situation then rectify this situation yeah yes shot in the legs means you owe too much money to kill that's what that means i need you alive to get my money back it's true if you're gonna owe bad people money yeah you have to owe them a shitload of money if you owe them a little bit of money, you think that's okay. That's going to get you killed there because then it's just disrespectful.

You're useless. Right. It needs to be an amount of money where they're like, we need to get that money back. We'll help this guy start a business. Do you know how to file the paperwork? We'll do what we need to do. This guy's got to pay his money back. Get you an LLC if you can get us some money.

We'll do it. I mean, I'll help you open the bank account. I'll take you down to Wells Fargo tomorrow. We get this done so um yeah there you go melanie's in jail and um she's gonna remain there for a while she's gonna have a tough time come come uh um parole time too because she's not real sympathetic no a meth dealer who murdered a guy because he was crying like a bitch in her house and shot him like an animal and then cut his head off and tried to burn him in a wood stove and put his feet in a bag and wrapped him in fucking two different kinds of plastic in front of her mom. This is all really disgusting and not going to work out well for anybody. So anyway, that is Blackfoot, Idaho. Oh, boy.

Idaho never disappoints. It is really the West virginia of the west it's full of some very strange uh behavior it's a really weird place well because it's a mix-up of people i think there's a lot of mormons there then you got like that kind of like that individualist like militia type yeah survivalist survivalist type then you got people who are like this skiing is fantastic here and i've just the views of the mountains are beautiful and i need to be here like it's a very strange mix of fucking people hippies like uh jake plumber there it's very strange hippies you got people who are literally just all about potatoes like there's a

very it's a weird fucking place that's's why they don't have Idaho man. There's no Idaho man because they're everybody. They're everybody. And they, and the bad ones have all relocated to Florida. So, or jail or jail or Melanie Smith's burn pit. One of the three terrible man,

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Yes. You're so sweet to us. Nice to see you as well. Thank you. Pleasure. Yes. Mary Zakarowski, Frank the South African Bird Watcher. Kylie Gallagher is a real asshole.

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Cool. She wanted us to know that she's driving all the way from Texas because we canceled the Dallas show for religious reasons. Can't wait to see you, Donette. Again, things like that. Quickly, if that got res wait to see you done that again. Things like that quickly. If that, if that got rescheduled, it didn't line up with anything else.

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I'm dumb. Other producers this week also are Jeff Shrewsbury, Peyton Meadows, Corporal Carl Kirshner tried 99 bananas, James, and he says it's disgusting. I guess so. Like we said. Brienne and Bailey put her pup Lily down. I'm very, very sorry, Brienne. Hang in there.

The rest of this is happy news. James Marder, happy hour, rode through Eloy, Arizona. The poor bastard. Sorry about that. Don't judge the rest of this is happy news james martyr happy hour uh rode through eloy arizona the poor bastard sorry about that don't judge the rest of arizona just as sad wouldn't you rather put your pup down happy hour yeah i think so than being eloy yeah i think that any day of the week that's what i should say on their welcome sign wouldn't you rather put your pup down better than putting your pup down elo Eloy. Reagan Shalkley also. Thank you, Reagan. Good to see you again.

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He's a wrestler. Yeah, absolutely. What about the grand wizard of wrestling grand wizard was a manager absolutely hilarious gary friedman is certainly showing his age uh happy birthday these are all before my time well matthew matthew hollum is a double winner james happy birthday i'm a double winner hayden tronis i think trones happy birthday buddy uh travis tessier happy birthday tessier. Happy birthday, Tessier. I'm not sure.

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Alyssa Alyssa Compton Like you expected to unrecognize it. What? I've never heard that before. Victoria Kroll, Brandon Haynes, Paul with no last name, Nora Hubert, Rhett with no last name, Mike Stepanek, Christine Purvis, Carl with no last

name, Karen Marufo, oh boy, Alex Schlosser, Rebecca Jane Tidwell, Jimmy Wissman's hair, that's where it went, Kara Teal, Samuel Milbauer, Bryce with no last name, Eric Koenig, Koenig, Koenig, Matt Koenig. That's Koenig, right? I don't know.

What do we know? Mary Favetti, Fabietti, Fabietti, Fabietti. Hey, what's up? Nicole Gattoni, Bobby Dunn, Alicia Johnson, Two Fidgety, Chase Johnson, Chris Tim, Daniel, Danielle, Danielle Dahlberg, Chris. Nope, that's Kurt. Kurt Stern, Zach Poindexter, Dan Leary, Jerica, Jerica Carpenter. How?

No. Nagard, Nagard, Nagard, Nagard. Look, man. You said it every way. You said every way you could say it, Jimmy. We'll put it that way. And it's certainly not good. You want any other pronunciations, use them yourself.

I don't know what to tell you. We ain't saying it. Two o'clock high, Sophie Mitchell, Xavier Hill Roy, Maureen Smith, Texas Yankee, 33. That's fascinating. Christopher Spurr, Kayla, Kaylee, Kaylee Tully, Mercedes Windsheimer, Sarah Walker, Annie Olson, Skylar Rome, Collier, Vassalo, that's wrong. Alana DeRocker, Ben Klusulski. Yeah. Castlekey. Castle.

Nope, that's just S. LaRue Williams. Alejandro Alvarez, Ryan Beatty, Joseph Singer, Alexis Pedregon, because I know who Cruz Pedregon is, Lance Cullinan, Julia Clarkson, Sarah with no last name, Kelly A.L., Vicky T.C. Thomas, Andrew Barrows, Matt Kemp, Brendan Moranski, Jenna D. Valentin, Jeff Johnson, Jimbo Green. That sounds like I'm doing like you're mashing my words from an audio book. Jimbo Green. Jimbo Green. Separate ones. We just clipped them together.

Yeah. Abigail Allerhead, Justin Davis, Elizabeth Berner, Sandy Dennis, The House, Natalie Eberling, ones we just clipped them together yeah abigail allerhead uh justin davis elizabeth burner sandy dennis the house natalie eberling tory bowerd susan austin clay g alicia wotherspoon uh kayla brown tyler hunt stephanie serdal boykin botkin nicole pacini almost you were almost part of the pacinos uh sean turner d and another d i don't know if it's Dee Dee or if she's trying to tell me double Ds or if a dude's trying to tell me double Ds. Maybe there's two people named D. It's possible, too. Mackenzie Clark, Caitlin Grimm, Smurf Juice.

That's gross. Ashley Catoni, Sean Christensen. Carla Purifoy, Chris Hosler, Sophia Anderson, Dustin Miller, Grace Shearburl. That's a tough one. Isaac Cummings, Trevor Robinson, Megan Unkafer. What? Unkafer. I don't know.

Sierra Will. Didn't work out the way you were looking. Giovanni Iwami, John Barnett, Loshine, Megan Jamieson, John Allen, Nicole Bulldog, Sean Edmiston, Shannon Ross, Joel Edwards, Lindsay Selig, Big Jack McBastard, Emily L., Carrie Luchez, Abel Areola, Brandy Fisher, Jessica Tomaselli, Cynthia Vinton, Taylor Hughes, Kathleen Laney, Matthew Volker, John O'Brien, Ben Erritt, Karen Gridley, Dana Forrest, Jonathan Garcia, Molly Lenhausen, Dorothy Harkins. Yeah. Okay. Mike Young, Mard at Auntie Annie. I don't know what that is.

Pretzel Shop? Auntie Anna. Oh, I thought you meant the Pretzel Shop. Maybe it is. If it is, Mard, you make delicious products. We love your pretzels. Lilz with no last name. Cheryl Nelms.

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You guys are the best people. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, everybody, so best people thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you everybody so much thank you for all that you do honestly we're we're we're just blown away by the support and that you give a shit yeah and um thank you patreon and coming to these shows it's it's overwhelming and uh it's it's not overlooked you guys are fucking amazing and I

it's why we can't it's a lot of support yeah during a pandemic to get out on the road and see you guys it feels really good to see you so thank you so much for all of this yeah that was it was hard it was i know it's hard on everybody being in the house for a long time but it was hard on if you're a comic you thrive on the live i mean the pod yeah the podcasts are awesome and we love them but we're used to hearing a laugh when we say something the audience so to not have that for a long time really sucks and we feel it's it's like filling us with life to be back out there and feel people's energy so thank you for doing that for us and thank you for thank you for waiting for us to come back around and thank you for still having interest in seeing us live after a year and a

half of waiting and shit like that really honestly like a pen pal in prison you waited for us you're such you're such amazing people you waited it for us like you were someone with three kids and and needing to have a bad idea so you wrote a prisoner and then you're on love after lock up and then you show up at these live shows dressed like pickles. It's fantastic. You dress like a pickle and you're all happy to see us. That's how it is. So that said, Jimmy, what if somebody wanted to get a hold of you and come dress like a pickle? How do they do it? You can find me on Instagram and Twitter and send me pictures of pickles.

There you go. Not your pickle, though. No. Not your pickle. Keep your pickle in your pickle. Don't say send me pictures of pickles. Delete everything I just said. I want no pickles.

People will absolutely take you up on that. Hey, he wants to see my dick. All right. You can find me at Jimmy P is funny. Or you just copy and paste. Or even better, just look up the show. Look up, give you Google Small Town Murder. We're the only ones hosting the show.

It's not like there's a rotating cast in here so you'll find us go to shut up and give me murder.com our social media links are there everything's there and you can get tickets

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