Small Town Murder - #264 - Blood Among Friends - Northport, New York

Episode Date: February 24, 2022

This week, in Northport, New York, the teenagers of Long Island, in 1984, are out of control, between the drugs, the crime & all that Satan. One particular duo, which includes a young man known as "The Acid King", takes things to a new extreme, with a brutal & gory murder, that police call a "Satanic sacrifice". The strange thing is that every teenager in town knows about it, and plenty have even seen the body, but it takes weeks for someone to tell. It only gets messier from there, as something even more unexpected happens, followed by a mind blowing conclusion! This is as wild as it gets!! Along the way, we find out that rich kids sure like to act like no one cares, that The Breakfast Club apparently didn't have enough Satanic involvement, and that you should probably not tell dozens of people the details of your brutal murder!! Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman New episodes every Thursday! Donate at: patreon.com/crimeinsports or go to paypal.com & use our email: [e-mail] Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder & Crime In Sports! Follow us on...twitter.com/@murdersmallfacebook.com/smalltownpodinstagram.com/smalltownmurder Also, check out James & Jimmie's other show, Crime In Sports! On iTunes, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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What's so funny about murder? Well, the actual murder part. Yeah. Yeah. An actual killing isn't that hilarious at all, obviously. But the stuff around it a lot of times is. People, their ideas of how they can get away with murder when cops screw it up, when they're going to talk to the same guy

who killed 12 people five times and they're like, I don't know, Bob seems okay to me. That's there's a sense there's some humor there. So what we don't do, we go out of our way not to do is we don't make fun of the victims or the victims families. Why, James? Because we're assholes, but we're not scumbags that's how that works that's how you do this in a nice way so there you go that sounds good to you crazy story we're gonna have fun you think true crime and comedy should never go together

i don't know what you're thinking first of all i don't know how you i don't know how you can get it down otherwise honestly i don't i don't want somebody breathlessly going and then her head was cut off her body that sounds like you're a little too into it you're really swallowing that one whole yeah let's let's go ahead and uh mitigate this situation with a little humor if you know what i mean so for everybody who wants to do that let's sit back clear the lungs and shout shut up let's do this jimmy You were like a second behind me on that one. You started late. Let's do this. Let's go on a trip.

I had to clear the lungs. Don't tell me what to do if you don't want me to do it. Jimmy's lungs were extra unclear right now. He had to... It took him a minute. So we're going all the way to New York this week. Let's do it. We are going to Northport, New York, which is... It's Long Island. So, I mean,

you can say whatever it is. It's Long Island, which is Long Island has a special it's a, there's some weird shit that happens on Long Island, murder-wise and everything else. And especially there's kids lose their mind on Long Island. I don't

know if there's like waste buried out there that is like coming through the water supply or what, but it's a problem. It really is. Long Island isn't a borough, is it? No. No. No. It's just a place.

Fucking Long Island. Yeah. It's a damn... Long Island isn't anything. No, it's fine. A lot of people grew up on Long Island, but all those people were like, I can't wait to get the fuck off this island. I got to get out of here. So it's on the northern shore of Long Island. This is up here.

It's about an hour 15 from New York City. So it's there you go. About 35 minutes to Amityville, as we've covered before. And you might know from horror fame. And then about an hour and 10 minutes from Southampton. Another episode we did. And then two hours and 45 minutes from our last episode, which was the Bear King kills in Hillsdale, New York, which is kind of more of an upstate thing there over by the Massachusetts border. Here, this is in Suffolk County, area code 631. The history of this place quickly here.

Not a lot of history of Long Island in terms of cultural things. Just people moved out there. They built houses and had kids, and that's kind of the history of Long Island. It's the early 19th century. The Great Cow Harbor, which is what they call this area, Cow Harbor, the park that was going to play a big role in our murder this week is called cow harbor park i think so there's that it was a rural farming community in the 1800s in the 1830s there was only eight houses in this whole town so really that's it eight eight dwellings it's on the north shore there it's a you know it's an hour 15 drive from New York City now. So think about if you have horses.

It's a long trip. So it's kind of out there. How are they growing out there? You can grow shit out there. I mean, it rains all the time, the sunshine, and it's fertile land. I would assume you can grow shit here. It's an island, so the water table's shallow. Yeah, that's what I mean.

You could probably grow a lot. But the new, there was shipbuilding here that started happening and that's when there was a lot of growth of long island kind of got away from farming and became shipbuilding as their main deal here um it started being referred to as north port in 1837 from the records here by 1860 they had a thousand people here wow so not too bad by the 1870s it was like a it was a cooking little city on the north shore it was had the most people going on um they had three shipyards five sets of marine railways just to run shit right up to boats two hotels and at least six general stores so that's six of them six yeah i mean that sounds like the beginnings of like Deadwood or something, except there's no gold here.

So the waterfront, it kind of fell into shit. It was a commercial use, industrial, and then by the 1920s, it was a shithole is what it was. It had been, you know, just used and abused. So the village decided to purchase the land along with the harbor and created a park, which is North Port Memorial Park. And that's kind of the main feature here. The Long Island Lighting Company opened North Port Power Station in 1967, which is currently the largest oil-fired electric generating station on the East Coast. Oh, that sounds healthy. Yeah, it's very nice. sounds healthy so yeah oh it's very nice the four enormous stacks as you've seen from those are these huge fucking stacks are they're a landmark that can be seen as far away as connecticut

they're 600 feet tall jimmy so they're 600 feet oil burning fucking stack shooting heavy duty pollution into the air that's very nice you know what i just answered my question of what's wrong with the kids around here, I think. Because when you hear this story, you're going to go, what the hell is going on on Long Island? Like, break it off and just push it out into the ocean, man. Eventually, it'll bump into, like, Greenland and they can have it. This is crazy. We can't have this shit going on.

Perhaps it's the collective 2,400 feet of oil-fired stack. Maybe that's it. Just crazy teenagers and celebrities that live in the Hamptons. That's all the people that are floating away. So reviews of this town. There's nothing terrible. No one-star reviews here I couldn't find. So we'll do a couple of these.

Here's four stars. And this pretty much sums it up. It's's a good safe place to live if you can afford it that's what it is the high school features a diploma pro ib diploma program many of its students go on to prestigious universities and noble careers but packaged with that is a high cost of living and all too common bands of roving teenagers and bros so it still exists here i didn't know if long Island, like still had the same thing going on, but I feel like it is.

It's, it's rich parents who produce either, you know, white collar, very, you know, the constants for, uh,

they produce those people or they produce complete hoodlums who like crashed their parents, you know, fucking Porsche or wrap it around a tree, and kill some teenage girl or something. That's kind of the way it works here. Here's three stars. It's beautiful here, and the schools are decent. Only problem is the high price of living. Also, very little diversity. It's Long Island.

This person really loves it five stars lovely waterfront community it's it is a village with easily accessible mayor yeah you're all rich so he's going to be at your beck and call trustees and police officials all of whom are more than willing to work with residents and visitors my goodness numerous beaches and a town dock at the end of main street trolley tracks from 1908 and great diner and bakery slash slash My goodness. with NYC Equity Actors Perform in addition to Acting School for Kids. Tough to leave it for any time and always compare anywhere to Northport, with Northport winning always. Yeah.

Wow. They have an acting class. From the fucking tourism bureau there. That has never been referenced in any of these small town acts. Ever. The acting class is beautiful. The Equity Theater is wonderful and the class for kids is top notch.

Many Juilliard students come from Northport. People in this town, 7,259 right now. So pretty goddamn small town. Male, females about average. Median age is a little bit older. This is couples with money and children and families that's that's who lives here that's pretty much exclusively who lives here people doing great yeah median age 48.3 so that's uh 18 to 20 year old here is only one percent

wow so as soon as you turn 18 you get the fuck out of this town because you can't afford it well you go to college all the kids here can't afford it well you go to college all the kids here all the kids in their 18 go to college here or they're in prison so one of the two they're out of the town either way and 85 plus is only 1.5 percent too too expensive you're too old they'll squeeze you right out and take your house that's how it works incomes a motherfucker step aside grandpa we're coming through i got four kids and I need this house. 62.5% are married. The divorce rate's a little lower than normal. It's a lot.

Only 7% are single with children. So it's a married kind of town. Racially, it is 92.5% white, pretty white. 1.4% black. 1.2% Asian. 4.1% Hispanic. So it's a white town. Religion here, 72.6% are religious.

Holy shit. That is a lot. I'm going to let you guess the percentage that is in Catholicism here in Long Island. Is it about 70% Catholic? It is 60% Catholic. Catholics are the Baptists of the south that is hardcore here 1.4 jewish jimmy oh i don't know the words hey i love it when we do that at live shows and we have a thousand people

singing hava nagila with joy. They're holding their drinks up. Shit's flying around. It looks like an Irish wake and shit. It's crazy. Probably 98% of the people at our shows don't think about the Jewish religion during the day until they come to our show and they get to sing that. And they cheer loudly if there's Jewish people there, if they get to sing a song. It's wonderful.

Politically, this place, this is remarkable. Suffolk County, last election, 49.3% Democrat, 49.3% Republican. Holy split. 50-50, exactly. That's crazy. Wow. That's wild, man. Economy here, this place, place unemployment rates about average but it's the

it's the median household income that we're talking about yeah cost of living here is uh well median household income is 112 316 bucks a year that seems low for that but it's double the national average yeah okay that's good so that's a lot. Cost of living, 100 is average, regular. Here it's 155. That's not so bad, then, if you're making double the money. That's what I mean. Not too bad. Housing, though, is a 250.

Yeah, that makes sense. Median home cost, hold on to your nutsack, Jimmy. $715,800 here for median home cost. That's a lot. Oh, my God. That's a shitload of money. That is a lot of money. That is some for your house.

That's some of these Long Island neighborhoods are like that. They're very in this one up by the water. It's for your house, for your house. You paid that for your house. You did what? For that house. You paid it.

It's, I mean, it's like a split level i don't know 715 it's a hundred the fuck you go to like you know kind of southern jersey you know somewhere like that you for 715 forget about you get twice the size of the fucking houses you could get for that that's crazy yeah this it's crazy well if we, damn it, that the only place on earth for you is Northport, Long Island, New York, we have for you the Northport, New York Real Estate Report. The average two-bedroom rental here goes for $2,071, which is actually less than double of the national average.

That doesn't seem so bad. It seems like the way to go. I found here, Jesus, it's a three-bedroom, two-bath. None of these places have square footage for some reason in Suffolk County. I don't know why, but three-bedroom, two-bath looks not that big of a place. Built

in 1947. There's a giant stone fireplace right by the door, which is really, it's right by the door, though. It's in an awkward spot. You open the door and put the door in the fire? Almost. You almost walk into the fire. Like, you'd walk in and go, ooh, that's hot. I've got to step out to the side.

And it has two kitchens. It has, like, a service kitchen, but it's not a huge house. So I don't know if they, at one point, it might have been broken up into two dwellings i can only assume yeah probably so 499 grand for that though that's about as cheap as cheap as you're gonna find for two kitchens you get half a million dollars that's great three bedrooms two kitchens not bad yeah who doesn't want that it's found here five bedroom, three bath. It's built in 1960. It's got, it's somebody, this was, I can tell, this was like someone in my family had this house. It's got like all the mirror, the walls of the dining room are all mirrored. Like these old Italian people are obsessed with mirrors. You have no fucking idea.

My grandmother had the largest mirrors known to man all over her house. She had a whole wall that was just mirror was it clean mirror though did it have like texture on it or some shit depends some sometimes some of them a little a column a little corner dude it's so crazy man they're nuts they're nuts for mirrors i don't understand why so it looks so big that's why i guess there's this is a it's got children's bunk beds in the same room as the master bedroom, which is a strange thing here. It looks just kind of dingy, this place. $899,995.

So for this area, that's not even terrible for a big place. And here's a nice place, three-bedroom, two-bath, built in 1850. So nice and old. It looks's a nice place. Three bedroom, two bath. Built in 1850. Nice and old. It looks out onto the water. Oh. It's a very nice house. Nice rec room. Cute. Nice. Well appointed. $12 or $1.2 million.

$1,250,000. I apologize. A million and a quarter. A million and a quarter because it's by the water. Wow. Ocean view. Jesus. It's a bay. It's not an ocean. A million and a quarter because it's by the water. Wow. Ocean view. Jesus. It's a bay. It's not an ocean.

That is not a fucking. Don't you dare call it an ocean. Long Island. How dare you. I mean, it's a cove that's douched by the ocean. It's a douched. It's a. Yeah, it's a douche cove.

That's exactly what you call it. A Long Island douche cove. That's perfect. We're going over to the L.I. douche cove that's exactly what you call it a long island douche cove that's perfect we're going over to the uh li douche cove number three today so things to do here oh boy things to do um we have the leg lighting ceremony okay now you're gonna go what's that the leg lamp from a christmas story i don't know if it's the actual one or what, but they have a leg lamp in town on Main Street that they light in late November. Yeah, right after Thanksgiving. The tentative date is November 27.

They do this at 6 o'clock. It's one bulb? They turn it on like it's like, I don't know, a big ceremony. And then everybody goes yeah and they go home because it's a leg there's one vault that's going next up this is the exciting one cow harbor day yeah oh man cow harbor day as for the website here i'll read right from their description is an annual festival festival it's a festival what do you anymore and it's an annual festival i'd like i'd like paschetti um it's an annual on valentine's day fuck me it's an annual festival celebrating i

was looking ahead to celebrating and celebrating and festival became one word the history supposedly they pronounce it a certain way supposedly hey listen i, I gotta nip this in the butt and not do it anymore. That's my least favorite one when people say that. Yeah, I know it. Nip it in the butt? In the butt. You think in the butt is in a common idiom. You think the words in the butt

in that order are in a common idiom. You really think so. From like the 1800s. Part of our lexicon you think people just say that? Can say it for 200 years, Jimmy. Oh, Jesus Christ. That's got to be the worst mistake anybody ever made in the English language, right? It's close, man.

It's up there. If not, it's in the top three. I'll tell you that much. It's a Hall of Famer. That I know. It's up there. If not, it's in the top three. I'll tell you that much. It's a Hall of Famer. That I know. Oh, of course. It's a Hall of Famer for knowing immediately if someone's dumb when they're talking to you. If you first meet them and they go, I had to nip that in the butt, you go, well, this person's a moron.

Okay. Well, I know that much. They could be a nice person. I get along with them, but they're not very bright. That I do know. Why would you think that's what the saying is? Yeah, you'd stop and go, how does that make sense? No one does that before they say words that come out?

Yeah. Why would that be a thing? What do you need to nip in a butt? Why would you be nipping the butt of anything? Yeah, it makes sense. You fucking weirdo. What are you nipping? If it's poop, it's coming out eventually, so what are you nipping it for? Just let it out. What are we nipping? If it's poop, it's coming out eventually.

So what are you nipping it for? Just let it out. What are we talking about? It's tapered on the end. It'll come out. It'll happen, man. So anyway, celebrating its history, the history of the village of Northport, which was once known as Great Cow Harbor. It's held annually on the Sunday of the third full weekend in September.

Oh, that sounds very fancy. Since 1977 and following the Great Cow Harbor 10K held the day before. Cow Harbor Day draws thousands of visitors to Northport each September. Events kick off with a parade down Main Street featuring floats, the local North Point High School marching band. Everybody flocks to see a high school marching band that's a bunch of rich kids fucking marching that's what i want to watch well they're probably pretty fucking good they've been learning the violin since they were four that's where they've all had private lessons and all this shit they it's a good point and He's drumming and he's got fucking Tommy Lee

standing next to him going, I taught him that. I taught him that. It was real expensive. Ha ha, yeah, brother. I fucked his mom too. I taped it in case you want to watch it. No, not even on my phone.

I taped it. I have like a camera from 1996. I taped it on. The one with Pam, it's good luck. It's a good luck charm I got, so I just tape everything with it. What else is there? Oh, they're going to temporary resurrection of the trolley that once was commonplace along this route.

Why don't you just put a trolley up and leave it there? Everybody can look at it all the time. Also, bovine-related costumes and floats are also a common theme. People come dressed like cows, Jimmy. They come dressed as cows. Yeah, but bovine themed, what's the other thing that you can dress up as

that's like it? Just say everybody's dressed like a fucking cow. Bovine related costumes and floats are a common theme. Dressed up like a bull dick. They have live music, boat races. For the past 13 years, the parade has been led by the U. They have live music, boat races. For the past 13 years, the parade has been led by the U.S. Coast Guard and the U.S. Coast Guard Auxiliary Band.

Well, then, that sounds like something. Crime rate in this town, what we are interested in, obviously. Property crime is half the national average. Really? Pretty damn. Nobody's stealing very much. And that's even with bands of teenagers and bros, as it's put. And then violent crime, murder, rape, robbery, and, of course, assault.

The Mount Rushmore of crime is a third, one third of the national average. So, two thirds under the national average. Mad safe. Mad safe. This place is safe as shit. This is a place where you can, you want your kid to go ride his bike around or her bike around and all that kind of shit. It's one of these kind of idyllic little suburban places. Wow.

So there's still idiots, though. There's always idiots. And speaking of that, let's talk about a murder with some particular idiots. We got to go back to 1984 for this so 1984 long island is a that's a good time to go back to there this is you can see it the there's a cloud of aquanet that's probably broken up maybe in the last five years or so still from this era of 1984 like whatever's going on with the ozone or like you know you know, chunks of plastic in the ocean, it's from the spandex pants and outfits and aquanet that was sprayed in, mainly just from Suffolk County, Long Island, from the years 1979 to 1986.

I feel like that's it right there. So that's all you need to know. July 1st, 1984, the police get a call. 79 to 1986. I feel like that's it right there. So that's all you need to know. July 1st, 1984, the police get a call. A call from a young lady who is a local teenager who it's not an anonymous call saying, I know where there's a dead body. Okay. So the police are like, really? They're like, seriously, there's a dead body. She's like, like they're like how do you know that it's just like a rumor is this a stand by me like you want

to see a dead body she said oh no no i saw it i've seen it multiple times so they were like what yeah i've seen it multiple times then she says the most disturbing thing everybody's seen it oh everybody's seen it and i even know who it is and i even know who did it and uh from there the police go out to look for it and from that we get this story okay okay this is out in the woods kind of where teenagers hang out now let's go back and meet some people here from the beginning. All right. We need to meet a kid named Ricky Casso, first of all. Ricky, K-A-S-S-O, by the way. He's 17 years old, and I'm going to show you a picture of him right away.

Please roll your chair over, and I'll turn this for you. Look. There he is. Oh, boy. He looks like 1984 in a nutshell. He's got an ACDC t-shirt on. Yeah, he sure does. He looks like 1984 in a nutshell. He's got an ACDC t-shirt on. Yeah, he sure does. He looks confused.

Wild long hair. Kind of like some chameleon eyes, a little bit looking one way and another. He's dazed. He's having a good time. Tight acid wash jeans, you can picture, and the sneakers with the tongue that's kind of sticking out. Yeah, the ponies. Yeah, the ponies. They're dirty. That's sticking out. Yeah, the ponies. Yeah, the ponies. They're dirty.

That's this kid. Yeah, that's exactly who he is. He keeps a hairbrush in his back pocket. Well, I would if I had that. That looks amazing. Hairbrush, Marlboro Reds in the other pocket. That's the guy. He's got a curly mane on him, this kid.

He comes from a really good family, this kid, by the way. Really? 17. All of these kids in this area come from really good families and they're it's crazy they i don't know if it's a rebellion against that or what but you know for those who about to rock t-shirt jesus that's what it is he's got three younger sisters so he's the oldest of four um nice family except for him okay he is kind of a jerk off and we'll talk about it.

More than kind of fucking up. You're fucking up. It's one of those. It's a, yeah. He, as in the fifth grade, he smoked weed for the first time, which is early. Fifth grade is early for weed. Like, that's a little early, I think, for me. I think it took me two more years.

I didn't smoke weed until the eighth grade. I didn't smoke weed until eighth grade. And I went to school fucked up. Yeah, that's the way to do it. It was a problem. That's the way you do it. It was a horrifying experience. Hope not to get sent to the nurse's office.

That was how you roll. Horrifying experience. Oh, God, please. I didn't sleep well last night. That's what's wrong. Who's got snacks? So it was a friend of his older brother who turned him and got smoked him out. And that's how we all got it.

The first bag of weed I ever bought was from my friend's older brother who got us dusted weed. Thanks. It was my sister's boyfriend who worked at a gas station. It's always that. It's the older, yeah. I saw him when I was in my early 30s still working at that gas station. Makes sense. Maybe he's got a very lucrative weed business on the side that he needs to.

I'm sure he does. It's his base of operations is that gas station. Yeah, at least Ricky, when when his first time he actually smoked weed and unlike me uh when i first bought it was given you know dusted weed which was not not nice at all so it was fun but it wasn't it's nice not what i expected not what i expected so uh we've talked about that though so ricky he is the third generation of his family in town. So they're an old, they've been in town a long time. His grandfather and father both graduated from Northport High School. Okay.

It's just like where he goes. His mother, Lynn, grew up in Wisconsin, but met the dad, who is Dick, by the way. I think Ricky's a junior because he's Richard and his dad is Richard. I'll bet you're right. Pretty sure he's a junior here. They met while they were both teaching both his parents are teachers at northport junior high school at the time they married in 1965 and then he was born in 67 like she wasn't even knocked up they got married on purpose you know had a and then waited a couple years had a kid purposeful life absolutely and then here he

is richard jr was born he is a junior so his uh his dad here oh my god his dad's description's amazing quote up until the sixth grade he was like huck finn what the fuck his dad said uh they had by the way they have a summer home in greenwich new york they have a summer home two teachers have a summer home they have a goddamn so i think probably the family they probably have family money probably right got to um otherwise maybe the school district is pays very well i don't know unless his family invented number two pencils something but they greenwich new york they have a summer home, and they said that Ricky loved to be in the woods. He'd just fish off the shore, and he'd hunt for snakes and do all sorts of like, you know, like he was Huck Finn, like a little woods kid.

They said he was just a shy, soft-spoken boy is how he's described by most people back then. They said he was a good athlete, though, as well. His dad, though uh his father and his grandfather had been a minor league baseball player oh and the baseball talent has just like kind of been dissipated through the years like it's getting diluted and the father was like a good high school player but didn't play like pros and then ricky's like kind of good when he's in little league and then really kind of fades out from there so his son is just going to be really good at getting a better baseball card well now he would sell a baseball card for mescaline in a heartbeat if he gave it

to him we'll talk about ricky he's got issues so dick ends up being a social studies teacher and the football coach also at cold spring harbor high school um he and his wife they're both church people they stay they say they have you know good values and things like that they like in their home a sense of order and discipline they like to have welcome to the small town of chinook where faith runs deep and secrets run deeper. In this new thriller, available exclusively on Wondery+, religion and crime collide when a gruesome murder rocks the isolated Montana community. Everyone is quick to point their fingers at a drug-addicted teenager, but local deputy Ruth Vogel isn't convinced.

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Listen on Max or wherever you get your podcasts. Having their home. They have three young daughters, all very good students, all, you know, nice looking, clean with their hair done nice for pictures and the whole deal. Elementary school, though, they said their son was never better than a C student. Wow. They describe him as brilliant, though. Brilliant, but just unf student. Wow. They describe him as brilliant, though. Brilliant, but just unfocused.

Okay. So, which I mean, yeah, a lot of kids are shit in school and are smart. That doesn't mean you're dumb. So,

his teacher, or his father, said, quote, Ricky was a model child until then, and a young athlete. Then, he began his

rebellious behavior. He started smoking marijuana and rejecting family values that is hilarious that sounds like it's a an anti-weed commercial like you know a testimonial our son they show a family like mourning next to a gravesite and they're like he was a young athlete and a model child until he started smoking marijuana and rejecting family values they cut to him like in a reenactment he started partying partying and

leading his own lifestyle well yeah rock the fuck on bro yeah you showed him acdc whose fault is it it's out there man how's he not they uh they described him their parents the parents as a quote gifted pupil yeah never better than a c but gifted gifted he the father said quote this is the really bizarre really deviant behavior started in the seventh grade he became insubordinate to his teachers so that's what she they said here seventh grade seventh grade he joined in a house burglary as well but it was he was too young to be like arrested they were just like hey you little bastards like we're telling all your parents and they're gonna have to pay for that window and shit like that it was a bunch of children um he would tell his family

later on that he tried weed in the fifth grade and then all through sixth and seventh grade he smoked weed like on a at least a few times a week in sixth and seventh grade which is it's very young to be a daily smoker in sixth and seventh grade of anything really well that's what i'm gonna say it's too young to do anything daily in sixth and seventh grade really you know i don't i'm all for weed smoking but not until you're older like that's too young let your brain develop teeth and taking a shower uh anything else you do daily seems a bit a bit much it's a little much here let your brain develop a little more here so um they said his his grades went in the toilet and he became insubordinate was rejecting

family values left and right would not accept them just absolutely i will not accept family values and started to avoid his family as well well yeah all those values he was tired of them they're gonna deal with that miserable so they said they would help him with his homework at the kitchen table and everything but his grades still didn't improve so that sounds on purpose at that like the kid doesn't want to get good grades um they later learned that he would go to school a little bit early and they thought oh look at him he's trying to wants to make sure he's there on time but it was to get there to smoke weed with a bunch of friends behind the restaurant across the street that was which i did all through high school as well it was yeah, yeah. Oh boy, I'm out of the house by 630.

Look at me. Yeah, because I needed to smoke a blunt beforehand. I would stand right by the crosswalk across from high school and smoke with friends. And then I'm going to stop at Denny's and get a pile of hash browns for like $1.50 and I'm going to get the fuck to school. So they said that this has been common knowledge forever that that's where kids do shit they smoke weed over there and do shit but it's been like that since the 60s so it's like just kind of the way it is teachers say they're often reluctant to accuse a student of being stoned as well one teacher said quote you have to be close to 100 sure which is you can't just go

accusing kids willy-nilly are you stoned are you stoned you sound fucking crazy what if the kids got like no i have pink eye or i have you know i have allergies or something like you can't just go wildly accusing kids of being stoned and then you have to like follow through think about a teacher as a kid you're thinking about a teacher like oh they want to they really want to oversee us and all but now that you're an adult yeah think about what that's like if you're a teacher and the kid is stoned but he's not acting up or anything you're like i'm pushing that off to next period whoever gets him next period hope he doesn't fall down or hit his head or anything but this shit ain't my problem he's not bothering me right that's the other point is like who's it who is it bothering it's i mean if they're not getting good grades that's their problem what are you

gonna do drag a kid out by his ear and go i think he's stoned and he goes i'm not stoned and they go yeah you are like what what is that gonna help you as a teacher you want to go home at the end of the night and have a glass of wine fuck that kid let his parents deal with it go tell your significant other about the kid that was stoned in third period who gives a shit that's it this kid he's stoned like every day i can smell it on his denim jacket with his fucking mega deatheth patch on it, but he just won't admit to it. This Judas Priest patch. Every day with his Hell's Bells t-shirt. Doesn't even change.

God damn it. So next up is James Jimmy Troiano over here. Jimmy Troiano? Jimmy Troiano. How's it going? He sounds like he owns a restaurant on Long Island, doesn't he? Roll over. I got a picture of him, too.

Come back for a second. Check him out. There he is. Oh, God Roll over. I got a picture of him, too. Come back for a second. Check him out. There he is. Oh, God. Yeah, he's kind of horrifying looking, honestly. That's a... Wow. His nose is a little weird.

He's got... Yeah. He's got a lot of problems, old Jimmy Tro. There's a lot happening in that face. Jimmy Tro Tro's got some issues. Let's just say that. And his issues started early. He was given up for adoption.

Oh, poor Jimmy T. Very, very very young wasn't adopted till he was four so spent kind of his toddler years in an orphanage i'm sure the i'm sure the not so handsome babies it doesn't around a little longer and the fucked up part is i have a picture of him as a kid he looks exactly exactly the same but smaller. Like, it looks like someone put a shrink ray on this guy. Really? It doesn't even... You know, some people, like, change, and some people are identical. Like, Macaulay Culkin is home alone now still,

but, like... Yeah, same thing. We were talking about that, but, like, this kid is the same way. Like, his fourth-grade picture, he's got this big smile, and his eyes look more innocent, but he's identical, The same weird nose.

He looks like a goblin child. Not a good looking kid. He a friend of his called him, quote, a failure at school to to a degree you wouldn't believe, which I could just hear one of his friends going. He was a fucking failure to a degree you wouldn't believe. I'm telling you right now, you wouldn't believe it. You have to understand every quote I give you is in a heavy Long Island accent. That's the thing you have to get here. To a degree you wouldn't believe.

Wouldn't believe. You wouldn't believe. So later on, there's a Daily News article talking about him, calling him, quote, raging bull? Question mark about Jimmy Trow. One teenager called him, quote, he's a tough little bull. OK. I'm not talking about his face. He was known in the neighborhood as a street brawler and petty criminal, say local residents.

The Daily News wrote about him. Yeah. Well, you'll find out why. OK. neighborhood as a street brawler and petty criminal say local residents the daily news wrote about him yeah well you'll find out why okay uh brawls and a bicycle accident uh here he's got a bunch of scars on his face too from all sorts of shit he's one of these guys it's just it's exactly what it is he never he always feels like he did um and he and Troiano and Ricky Casso become friends, which is not great. A bad combination. Yeah. This is a bad cocktail of two jackasses who don't belong together. This is in the eighth grade.

They struck up a friendship. They were junior high school football teammates. So at the time, they were both sports kids and into that sort of shit. But they were also both into weed and stuff. They were just different. They always said he was an accident-prone kid, Jimmy Troiano. They said he fell off a neighbor's swing set, which gave him a big scar on his face and all sorts of shit like that. His mother, Mary, Mary troiano hey mary tro come

over here can we visit those uh play sets those fucking metal rust those things were so fucking dangerous the swing sets had chain links and you would hold them and then it went up a little your skin would get caught in the chain link and just rip a chunk out of it as they're dangerous as fuck and the chains were always bent there was always a piece that would snag you the plastic on the bottom was was boiling fucking hot and like melted in the sun i think it's good for us though we learned that you you know that's check a seat to make sure it's hot and a lot of times there's chunks of jagged rusty metal sticking out of things that'll slice you open so watch the fuck out unless you want a tetanus shot. And then the bar for like holding on to that you would swing had the same metal chains that went up as the swings.

And you were supposed to hold on to that and run as fast as you can and fling your ass up in the air or throw your fucking knees, the back of your knees over it and try to flip off. We did crazy shit. All sorts of how high can you fly off the swing set one kid broke a ball off a swing set what elementary school nuts he he ruptured a testicle when i was in fourth grade he flew off the swing set really got good air i mean it was impressive we were like awesome and then he fell in the way he fell i don't know if it like the way his pants were or whatever but but he just was start. He hit the ground and was just like, we all ran away like Matt Stafford at the Super Bowl party or whatever.

I swear to God, we all everyone was like, bah, scatter. Teachers came over and we thought he broke his leg or something. And they like carried him off. And he he ruptured a testicle. Yeah, that's crazy exploded it we were like on his feet he no landed on like his kind of like on his like forward but on like us like on one arm was forward kind of like one half of his chest so i don't know if his leg crunched his ball or he hit his ball on the ground or there was a rock in a bad place. Rocketed all his guts through his testicle.

Whatever it was, it was bad for him and he had ruptured a testicle and we were all just like, whoa, he broke his ball, man. Every boy, the whole rest of the time I was in elementary school, every boy gingerly got off that swing set. Like, slow down, get off, step off. Nobody jumped off that shit anymore nobody the girls would still do it but the boys are like no way you'll break your balls like that everyone was like what do you want trying to trying to fucking break we thought that's just wow that's what happens all the times we were like you're gonna break your fucking ball jumping around like that like all of us were paranoid about breaking our rupturing our testicles with all the rest of the school i don't know how those things those those swing sets i don't know how they didn't have like a class action so many people were hurt they have i saw

kids with like compound fractures jumping off those swings man yeah it was crazy they are they were nuts how we survived and the metal the metal fucking things that you'd climb in and jesus christ they had drainage uh pipes just like a piece of one in our in our uh playground where people would run and they were just like a tunnel like drainage tunnel yeah somebody concrete fucking pipes and somebody was running full speed and didn't get low enough head off she fucking scalped herself took her whole fucking hair off jesus christ that's almost as bad as breaking a ball i don't know what's the worst so uh uh anyway mary tro over here mary tro that over here she's a uh a nurse in a psychiatric hospital okay yeah uh she describes her son

jimmy as quote a slow learner who has undergone therapy so um wait a second now that's your mom describing you i'm sorry joe get out of this so he said that she also said he has a discipline problem as well. His junior high coach, David Harper, recalls Ricky and Jimmy said they were good friends, but they were kids who had problems. I said, yeah, Jimmy was a nose guard and Ricky was an end. And his friends, they like to they'd go after practice and smoke weed. That's what they do. Yeah.

Jimmy's repeated arrested repeatedly for burglary just that's his thing he likes to burgle period that's jimmy steel who's gonna hire him to be the face of their company no shit now there's a rolling stone article about all of this yeah i'm telling you this this story's fucked so there's a rolling stone article and i just love the descriptions the rolling stone article gives in the quotes, the kids they quote. They won't use their names most of the time, so it's just their description. Here is a quote from, quote, Prepster Girl. Jimmy, he was always kind of wild, always doing strange things.

When he was seven, he took the hook on a swing set. See? Look at this. You know how the chain hooks onto the seat he took it in into his mouth on top of the a-frame and jumped off why the fuck would you do that i don't understand what the fuck what what are you doing that gave him a big that's his big scar she was this is what i mean they say oh a swing set accident the kids i love the quotes from the kids because they actually know these people and know what the fuck was there. He jumped off with it in his mouth.

Why would you do that? Think about that. Like a meat hook. Yeah. It's just going to rip your fucking cheek out. He was pretending to be a trout. I don't know what the fuck he was doing. I don't get it.

I'm fucking flabbergasted. At the ninth grade dance, they played Monster Mash for him because he had so many scars on his face. Oh, what the fuck, man? It's messed up. I had a crush on him in the fifth grade. He was a nice kid. Yeah. So he was a nice kid up until, yeah.

This is Girl, former classmate. We all knew his nickname was Draw because of his fangs. We joke about him having to go to the dentist to get his teeth filed down. Apparently he had big canines. Here's another 15-year-old girl at the time. Quote, I asked Jimmy what school he went to, and he's like, I don't need school. I go, do you work? And he goes, I don't need a job.

I say, what do you do? He says, hang out. Everything is such a quick comeback. Not really all that thoughtful, though. He's not like he's fucking Don Rickles over here. He's hang out. Well, yeah, that's pretty. I said, do you have any future plans?

He goes, we just break the rules. He goes, people make rules. We break them. He broke into houses. He had a good reputation as a burglar he was at that age he was a good he had a good reputation as a burglar man that guy's a pretty good burglar i'll be honest with you it's pretty good bro i've heard good things about him everything he does that's bad they're just like he's he's just a genius he's

like a he's like a really bad he's like the charlie on It's Always Sunny trying to be an artist. That's exactly. This is a type of the 80s and 90s, though. This is probably the 70s. I don't know because I wasn't alive, whatever. But like the 80s, I know because from like my older aunt who was like 10 years older than me. This is how all her people were. They're like these headbanger people and stuff.

And, you know, and like the 90s was the same way where like if the kid was a burglar you wouldn't be like oh i don't like him he's a burglar he'd be like yeah he's a pretty good burglar like in case you need a burglar anytime like there's my buddy over there like it was considered cool to be an outlaw if you're a kid you know especially on i think maybe on long island it's considered cool because a these kids don't get any real trouble because their parents get them out of everything. And B, it's like, yeah, we're rebelling. All these other kids are doing what their parents want, man. But these are all like a bunch of Judd Nelsons from The Breakfast Club.

That's what we're dealing with here. The rebellion at this point in society, like 80s and 90s, the rebellion was like up to hurting people. You know what I mean? If the next generation is going to up the ante in danger, the next thing is like fucking murder. So we got to calm the fuck down. Well, that's what happens here. Murder happens, as we know from the show. If you want to roll over, I think one more time here. We have Garyary lowers l-a-u-w-e-r-s gary lowers here he is here okay so gary's a blonde

headed kid he looks the same thing looks like a burnout you know these kids they all shit head yeah they all look like burnouts from the 80s acid wash jeans yeah trans am right you know the guy so um figure it out uh here's some quotes about him here's a classmate quote gary was basically a good kid young in mind he put up a bit uh he put up a little bit of a bad front so he could hang in there with his peers yeah he's one of those kids that wants to be one of the bad kids but he's not really like that yeah every group had a few of those hangers on that were you know didn't just wanted to feel cool or different um here's another one quote gary was like a wimp this is from a girl named michelle he was more into peace than fighting he fought to get people to like him why does anybody fight thanks michelle thanks for your

you know michelle's like let's get deep right now. Like, you're from Rolling Stone. Let's talk about it. Like, he fought because he thought it was cool. Of course, that fucking did. Except in Marissa Tomei's voice from my cousin Vinny. Why does anybody fight? Yeah, I don't understand. Here's another kid here.

Quote, Gary'd run away from home. He'd stay in clubhouses that he knew are in the lumberyard up the road or in doorways. So somebody else, they called him Fuzzy Legs. That was his nickname. He would stay in like that little area that's like the mudroom, I guess, of like walk-ups and shit? Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Yeah, the little between the two doors.

Another one, Fuzzy Legs would do things for the moment. He'd pull Midnight Auto, which is like ripping stereos off and stuff. They called it midnight auto. Apparently he wouldn't. He wouldn't think about the next day what was going to happen to him. He totally fuck somebody over and not think about the consequences of it. Sometime last summer, he stole money from his parents. He get $80 and go out and buy 20 and buy a $ 25 bong and spend the rest on weed and smoke it all

that night he he was always like that since he was a little kid he was the kid that started the little forest fires brush fires he's the kid that climbed up the tree very high we all know that kid yeah he's a tanner from bad news bears you know what i mean yeah but the kid that starts forced little brush fires and shit that's a dangerous little motherfucker well yeah sometimes he looks it's it's really tripping me out because he looks just like my friend who set a whole section of of a field in woods on fire when we were like 13 years old and he looks just like him and this is just how he was and my friend was such a jerk i mean to the point where he took police on like a two hour, three county chase like James fucking Brown at one point until they knocked his tires out. And he had to fucking finally stop after he went another 10 miles on rims.

He's a crazy son of a bitch. And then he turned into like a super Christian. And he asked my cousin at one point they were hanging out and he goes, hey, man, just want to let you know if you ever like, you know, want to talk about anything, you know, I'm here for you. And my cousin's like, all right, great. Thanks, man. Like, what are you talking? They're sitting around just hanging out watching the Knicks game or something. And he goes, you know, just like anything, like, you know, talk about like Jesus or anything.

I'm here. And he was like, what the fuck are you talking? When the fuck have I ever, ever put one inclination that I wanted to have a deep talk about Jesus with you? What the fuck are you talking about? So he turned into that from this. So there's two routes you can go. That is hilarious. About Jesus or whatever, anything.

That's the first thing. Actually, I wanted to talk about that. So this is another just boy here. Gary was the type of guy that everybody liked because he wasn't selfish. I remember he got 25 hits of acid and he just gave them out. 25 hits of Sid, gave them out. That's what he said. 25 hits of Sid, man, gave them out.

Pretty cool bra, man. Here is one who is described later on at a funeral that takes place where they interviewed him quote stoned paul bearer number one which is a great description of a kid quote when he robbed that house he had four thousand dollars in hard cold cash and he found two people and he said hey you guys want to go buy some motorcycles and he found two people and he said, hey, you guys want to go buy some motorcycles? And he bought those two kids cycles and one for him. And he bought a box, an outrageous tape deck. It was $300 and went to this girl's house with a gold chain for her.

He was going out with her and they'd broke up. He got there and she wouldn't go out with him again. He was just freaking out and he beat the shit out of the box on the ground right there. He didn't care. He gave one guy $500 just have fun tonight. Just like he was a flighty weird guy.

He went to Lace's Roller Rink, and he took $1,000, $1,000, and just chucked it in the air, man. Making it rain on these hoes. That's $1,000 for a teenager in 1984 is fucking insanity yeah this is uh by the way there's a youtube video i don't know how i found it um i like to look up like weird shit like historical videos and stuff and this one video came out and somebody college kid at nyu made a video for a project and it's like from a mall in long island in 1983 and it's fucking these kids like i want to go back and re-watch it and make sure none of these kids are in the fucking thing i swear to god it's wild um they all talk exactly like this

too it's just funny just chucked it in the air man just i Just, I could see this kid. He's got the jacket, the hair, the fucking earring. You know what I mean? Like, oh, this fucking guy. In 99, a grand was a shitload of money. A lot, yeah. A fuck, man. Stone to Paul Bearer number two said, that's the way he is.

He didn't give a flying fuck. Gary, don't give a flying fuck. Stone, Paul Bearer number three said about him, quote, he went to Florida once. He had a little chemical bank card and he was punching out money the whole way there and back it was sick one of the guys dude it was sick this is so great one of the guys clipped the card from his father jesus these kids man they sound i know what just what they sound like they got thrown off the bus because

they stopped at a because they stopped at a place for the night. And in the morning they went into a liquor store and bought like mega bottles of Jack and everything. Mega bottles of Jack and everything. And they went on the bus and they started getting everyone on the bus really drunk. There's passing bottles out on a bus. Driver pulled over and said, get the fuck out of here. And that's what happened. Here's a group just girl classmate in junior high he was quiet and he wasn't in with the cool kids he was teased

an outsider gary was a oh my god gay slur that got tough wow that's from a girl and that's how long island is that's what a girl was f wow yeah uh yeah so uh dan here's a guy named dan he'd be into hendrix joplin the woodstock stuff then rap for a while the sabbath like i saw gary and he had this upside down cross in this little book it was this little brown book about satan and he was just saying all these stupid things, but he didn't really understand it. Yeah, he's trying to figure himself out. He has no fucking clue what he is or what he's going to be. Here's a friend of his.

He did talk about his future once. That's good. Let's find out what his, maybe he's got, do you think he's got goals? Maybe he's got a deep goal. Maybe he wants to really make a difference, maybe become like a pediatric neurosurgeon or something and you know figure out how to save kids uh holy he did talk about his future once holy shit snm gary that's what snm gary remember when that girl puked in the attic at one of those parties gary put on her leather jacket the biker jacket and shit and i was wearing one of the black leather belts with studs.

He had no shirt on. S&M Gary. That's what they called him, S&M Gary, because he looked like the gimp for a minute there. Because he put on a girl's jacket that vomited? With studs and shit, yeah. Probably puke on it and shit. He was dancing. He put on prints.

That was one of the many times Gary told me he loved me. That's when he discussed his future when he's comfortable in his gets in his leathers with fucking little red corvette on in the background now he's comfortable to talk some shit here yeah um he said that oh my god he said that me and him were going to get married and he was going to start dealing coke this is what a kid is like that's his dream that's his dream i'm gonna start dealing coke it gets better and he was going to start dealing coke. This is what a kid is like. That's his dream? That's his dream. I'm going to start dealing coke.

It gets better. And he was going to go down to Columbia, yeah, and get massive amounts of coke. And then we were going to, he was going to buy me a dream apartment, a penthouse on Fifth Avenue, and the bedroom was going to be all black leather, and he was going to buy me a red Ferrari with a chauffeur. Why would you want a chauffeur and a Ferrari?

That's because it fits the purpose of aeur. Why would you want a chauffeur in a Ferrari? That's because it fits the purpose of a Ferrari. You want to drive a Ferrari. If you want to sit, you want it to be comfortable in the back of a fucking car. You just have to Lincoln if you want a chauffeur. Also, you're going to go buy a shitload of Coke and move it and then move into fucking Manhattan? Oh, he's going to be like the king of New York. He's going to be like Christopher Walken in The King of New York.

He's going to be like the major, he's going to be like a mobster, basically. He's going to be like Christopher Walken in The King of New York. He's going to be like the major. He's going to be like a mobster, basically. They're going to know what you do, man. It's going to be John Gotti. It's going to be the 80s. It's going to be Vinnie the Chin. It's going to be all these guys and me, Gary, from Long Island. With a Ferrari and a chauffeur.

And a chauffeur. The only idiot with a chauffeur in his Ferrari at the time. Like the only person. This girl is saying this is like their dream, whatever. What a crazy dream. He knew it was just, no shit. This is what a teenager thinks about though. That's what I could do.

I could just do that. He knew it was just a dream, but it was a dream. He was a pisser sometimes. And then again, sometimes he was a dick. I love these teenagers. It's so funny. So the summer before, 1983, Gary and his pals, they got stoned in the forest. Okay.

And they apparently made a tape. They painted their hands white and put like handprints all over the trees to trip out on it or whatever. They made a videotape to document this. So in 1983, if you had access to a video camera, your fucking parents had money. Yeah. I didn't see a video camera in the flesh until like 89. Like a distant cousin had one. We were like, whoa, holy shit.

Oh, you can. Wow. That's amazing. If you've seen one in the 80s, you've used one in the 80s, and then you've used one in your, away from your parents. Yeah. You have that much money? Where they're like, yeah, use the video camera. It's not like, you know, worth more than my car or anything.

You know how much a video camera was back then? You can take that out of your parents view that's insane wow um at one point gary stopped everybody and said quote we contribute this to society of the man who invented acid fucking drugs uh man i dedicate this tape to the man who invented Sid and Mesk. Man, this fucking dude. Thanks a lot, man. Wherever you are, fuck the world. That's his quote.

It's the most 16-year-old kid on acid I've ever heard in my fucking life. Sid is acid and Mesk is mescaline. Well, there's people who are straight people that listen to us, too, that weren't ever into the drug culture when they were younger. Was that Timothy Leary? Is that who he's thinking? Maybe. Yeah, I think that's who he's thinking about.

Yeah, probably. I don't know if he knew that or if he was just like, whoever that dude is who invented it, man. I don't know if he'd done any research on... I guess that's the same thing as like a stoner sitting there going yeah man whoever mr general mills whoever invented these lucky charms you're a fucking hero bro because you know what i'm the one who's lucky and charmed you know what i'm saying bro yeah you know what i'm saying fuck the world yeah man so he tried acid once and was like, whoever did this, man, hero!

Woo! Rock and roll! In the Medal of Freedom. Yeah, baby. He needs to be recognized, man, because the expansion, how many minds has he expanded, man? Think about it. Since it started, in the 60s, man, people were just doing tons of acid. Think about all the minds expanded man it's crazy that is a dipshit 16 year old thing to say does he really

thinks that nobody's ever recognized that guy no not at all he's the one who's like you know who's really underrated the guy who invented acid man some guy invented this and then just put it out in the world and never took credit for it shut the fuck up no shit so but gary he's a kid this is how we're laughing at all these kids because 16 year old kids are dipshits and we were huge dipshits like they were all it's impossible to not be 16 in a dipshit it's just not the way it works whenever i see anybody who's like oh this famous so-and-so star who's 16, I'm like, what? How do you even get organized to do any of that when you're 16? That was a mess. So Gary and Ricky Casso have known each other forever.

I have a picture of their second grade class picture with both of them in it. So they've known each other since they're little kids pooping their pants and shit here. They're maybe at least peeing in it once in a while. So you shouldn't be pooping your pants by the second grade. Yeah, you know, maybe if somebody gets upset and has an accident, they'll piss themselves possibly. But he ran track in junior high, Gary, by the way. But again, just like the other two, kind of fell off as a teenager

and stopped getting into that kind of shit. He had academic problems, drops out of school after the 10th grade, finally, Gary. The other two kind of fell off as a teenager and stopped getting into that kind of shit. He had academic problems, drops out of school after the 10th grade. Finally, Gary, a friend of his here said, quote, this is a young lady. He wasn't really bad. He was just acting out. So that's. Oh, no, I'm sorry.

This is his lawyer that represented him in family court when he was arrested twice for stealing shit all the time. His lawyer said he's not really bad. His lawyer, Eileen Evans Newmark, said that he's not really bad. He's just acting out. She describes the Lowers as a caring family who sought counseling to help them deal with Gary's troubles. I guess in 83, Gary pled guilty to a reduced charge after being arrested for assaulting a friend. And he was placed on five years probation. Oh, God. He also, in the eighth grade, him and five other kids were arrested on charges.

They burglarized the home of a family that they knew was on vacation. And when the parents learned of the whole thing, this is Ricky. I'm sorry. Now, Ricky Casso did that, like we said before. And when the parents learned of the burglary charge, they went into Ricky's room to look for shit. That's when they found his bong, and they found a bowl and all that shit. So their parents said about Ricky, we never really knew he was involved in the drugs. The drugs.

He was smoking the weed. Until we searched his room after the burglary and they all so they sought out a counselor they ended up they've spent so much money on ricky casso in counseling in special schools and all this shit it is wild man fucking wild uh they go to a guy named tom fazio who's a counselor at the place. It's a Main Street counseling place. So they take him right to Main Street, met privately with them and all that. Parents attended weekly group sessions with all this shit.

I mean, he was with him and big deal. In the ninth grade, Ricky made the first team as both offensive and defensive end. Wow. That's really good but he everybody would kind of make fun of him his his burnout friends would pick on him about it look at him motivation his coach said quote ricky would put his head down they'd say things like nice play ricky you jock that was like a big insult you have to understand the 80s like the breakfast club that's how kids really thought of themselves and that's suburban that's the same

place as this it's the same fucking place so those groups were there was a hard wall up between them and judd nelson wasn't on the wrestling team you know what i mean like that's just the way it fucking worked well done jockstrap breath the coach said if there was a conflict in his life between sports and drugs he thought that's what it would be and uh ricky chose to be a burnout and so did jimmy tro jimmy tro um a close friend said that jimmy tro jimmy troiano once he started kind of hanging out with the burnout crowd one of his friends said that his new friends were, quote, real dirtbags. You know, real dirtbag types who dealt in, you know, they sold like angel dust and LSD and shit like that. You know, real dirtbags.

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to pick him up at the exit, but would never be seen alive again, leaving us to wonder, decades later, what really happened to Dorothy Jane Scott? From Wondery, Generation Y is a podcast that covers notable true crime cases like this one and many more. Every week, hosts Erin and Justin sit down to discuss a new case, covering every angle and theory, walking through the forensic evidence and interviewing those close to the case to try to discover what happened with over 450 episodes there's a case for every true crime listener follow the generation y podcast on the wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts you can listen to generation y ad free right now by joining Wondery Plus. In the 10th grade, he was already 17 years old in the 10th grade, which is a little old for the 10th grade.

And he dropped out of school. He was like, am I too old for this? I think I'm too old for this. I don't want to be at fucking graduation at 20 years old. That's going to be weird. Yeah, it's a little much. at 20 years old. That's going to be weird. Yeah, it's a little much.

It's that same year, Ricky Casso, by Thanksgiving, he started LSD that year in 83. And in a 23-day period during the second half of the school year, he was suspended five different times. In three weeks? In the last 23-day period, yeah. Five different times for fighting. his grades are all F's.

He was charged with stealing checks from a teacher's desk. Oh, my God. Yeah, he was doing that. He was in counseling that the group counseling and they took him to a psychiatrist for his own private sessions as well. He one session with the psychiatrist. His mom picked him up, and he walked out and said, well, you just threw away another $75. This counselor's a jerk, but if you want me to, I'll play your game.

I'm not talking to him, but if you feel like paying him $75 every week, I'll go sit there. Just, man. He's not taking it serious. So there's certainly something wrong at home, right? That's got to be the problem i not to anybody else though the sisters are great it's just this fucking it's long island i'm telling you there's something about the i don't know what the fuck it is back here but these kids remember when we did the fishkill episode yeah these are these kids the same kids i don't know what the fuck it is it's just 10 years later but it's the same exact kids i don't know my uncle did this same shit in colorado too crazy there's there's a there's

got to be a trigger somewhere in them that makes them fear the future and i i think that's the these kids just don't have that they don't that's what they don't i honestly think that i think that they get bailed out a lot too so they think that that's fine i'll always be fine and right you know i don't know i don't know if that's what it is or if it's like they're like uh ne'er-do-well like aristocrat europeans who are like you know well eventually my parents will die and i'll inherit that just like they did and i'll be fine i don't know if that's part of it or what but anyway uh the counselor the fazio guy broke up with him in the counseling relationship, kicked him out of counseling. Wow. Because he kept coming to the session stoned.

Like, this isn't how you do it. Fazio said to him, or Fazio, it doesn't seem like you're really trying to even get off the drugs or even want to. And Ricky said, quote, you're right. I like what I'm doing. There you go. Here's a guy named Mark Fisher that's quoted a lot. He says, quote, I've known Ricky since sixth grade. First time he tripped in seventh grade.

First time he tripped on acid in seventh grade. Way too young for us. Unbelievable. Way too young for acid. In seventh grade art class, he drawn a dragon on the board and said it started to move all right first time ricky got in trouble was in eighth grade he stole a container of high c from the church that's the most pathetic it's a pretty whack ass uh burgle do you think the church got high c because it's like high church or high christ it's you can just see us for a lot of things yeah it's getting some high christ in here yeah we can't have the capri suns around here

no shit so april 1982 um the north port east north port school district's committee on the handicapped okay that's a committee they label ricky officially on the record quote emotionally handicapped i didn't even know that was a diagnosis that a person could acquire but in his permanent record it says emotionally handicapped sounds like you need a chair it sounds like an excuse that someone would make in a romantic comedy i can't commit to you katherineigl. I'm fucking, you know, I'm emotionally handicapped. Can't do it.

I have limitations. They said with also severe drug dependency and antisocial tendencies as well. In the fall that year, he attended a special unit for troubled teenagers and then he went to a learning center in Deer Park In the fall that year, he attended a special unit for troubled teenagers.

And then he went to a learning center in Deer Park where Jimmy Trow was also a student. So they got back together and then they were just cut all the time because they hung out together. So they said Ricky was spending as much time out as he was in, like out on the streets as he was with his family. He would sleep outside sometimes. he just wouldn't come home ricky would sleep behind the midway which is a gas state or a stationary store that the the ones that they hang out and smoke weed behind near the school um the manager at the store said that casso was not allowed inside the store and the store does not sell paraphernalia to minors apparently Apparently, they sell bowls and shit there, maybe. Ricky would sometimes row a dinghy into the North Port Harbor and sleep in the cabin of a moored boat.

So, you go out there and find a boat that nobody was using. Wow. Yeah, and do that. He stayed occasionally in the corner of a lumber yard or in a playhouse behind a girlfriend's home. She'll have quotes, too. In the summertime, he said it was really easy um here's a guy who used to know him and live on the streets around there too he said a lot of the time when you do hallucinogenics you get so high that you don't sleep a lot of the night anyway right which is true you can't sleep when you're on acid uh people don't hassle you if you're sleeping in the park during the day so ricky was basically a night person they'd just be up all night he took he told his father after the counselor kicked him out

quote this is the quote from the father he told us i enjoy the fantasy world of drugs you can't stop me quote i love drugs and he ran out the door literally he. He said, I love drugs, and he ran out. This is like an after-school special that you'd go, come on, man. Ricky, we love you. I love drugs. I love drugs, Dad. Drugs, and he runs out. Don't you love your family? I love drugs, and he leaves.

I love the idea of rowing a dinghy out into a harbor and just jumping onto a moored boat that's not being used. That sounds fine. And sleeping overnight sounds rad. That sounds so cool when you're a teenager. Yeah. But you don't want to have to do that. That's the thing. It's cool when you have options.

Yeah. Where are we going tonight? I'm going to show you, baby. You get in. We're going to do the most romantic shit you ever seen. We're going to get stoned out there. It's going to be great, man. We're going to row out to a 40 40 foot long fucking mini yacht jesus so by summer of 82 jimmy troe and ricky casso both

well known to the cops around there um they're jimmy trariano over the next couple years until 84 he's arrested five times usually for burglary in 1983 jimmy troe spent seven months in the suffolk county jail after he was picked up in florida for a probation violation jesus man that doesn't sound like 17 year old shit no and um they knew who ricky casso was because he was always on the streets so they knew him and shit and everybody knew that ricky casso quote always had the best pot first of all one guy is quoted as saying always had the best pot. First of all one guy is quoted as saying always had the best pot and a variety of harder stuff. Now his parents

while he's doing all this are trying to still do things. They tried to get him in a private school that specialized in drug dependency problems that would take them. So they found the Camelot School in Lake Placid New York which is far as fuck from Long Island. Same state you're like oh it's a couple hours. Lake Placid, New York, which is far as fuck from Long Island.

Same state. You're like, oh, it's a couple hours. Lake Placid is Canada. It's so fucking far away. Nowhere near there. They took Ricky, and Ricky ran away on the day of his admissions interview. What?

Stayed gone for 17 days. Just lived in the woods for 17 days. Of Lake Placid up in the middle of nowhere. Yeah, it was summer i guess it was warm um the dad said quote they told us they'd accept a kid only if a kid was willing to give it a chance they were like he ran away for 17 days during his admissions interview i feel like it's not yeah i feel like he's not yeah not for him here's an article and i i love the way i love it it It's terrible, but it's, it's hilarious the way they were so overdramatic about teenagers and shit here. Here's an article quote,

my God, they were, they were only teenaged kids sewing a little wild oats. That's what some of the residents of affluent North port, Port Long Island thought of the youngsters who hung around cow Harbor park and along main street. Others knew better. The kids were dopers.

Fucking dopers. A short trip to New York City guaranteed a steady supply of angel dust, marijuana, and mescaline. You name it. The kids around town were well supplied. You name it, they're on it. They're on it. Then, quote, the inevitable happened. Grades at school suffered.

Some of the kids dropped out. They took part-time jobs to earn enough money for their next high. Incessant quarrels with parents led to open hostility. A few of the boys left home altogether and lived off friends, sleeping in garages, or, if the weather was good, even in the park. Oh, my God. Sounds like the guy that narrates fucking forensic files. It kind of does, yeah. It kind of does a little bit, yeah.

I went full forensic. It's pretty good. Oh, this guy sat down, really. He did, like, cracked his knuckles with his typewriter. He's like, mm-hmm, rubbed his his hands together the most flowery language i can make it i am going to discuss the society's problems from the point of view of he was a real douche about it i fucking love that guy oh man by 84 here ricky kind of becomes the leader of his little group. And included in that little group is a lot of younger kids.

A lot of kids who are 15, 14 who want to be cool. I want to be an acid guy, too. So they're hanging around him and they look up to him and he loves that shit. He basks in it here. So he always had like acid mescaline weed. He had shit like that. He'd give it away to people. He'd sell shit.

Yeah. When he was really high, he'd just give it away to his buddies. He'd be like, hey, do some mescaline with me. Jesus. So Ricky, he would even like, he'd sleep in unlocked cars, shit like that. So they apparently used to buy, they bought shit in bulk they kind of sort of uh like figured out how to do it a guy who troiano met in jail said quote i used to take them into the bronx and harlem to buy but after a while i stopped going in because they knew where to go

this is an ex-prisoner here he said we buy $500 worth of dust a week for the three of us. For the three of us. For use? Ricky and Jimmy used to trip, but they gave that up and started getting into heroin, you know. Jesus Christ. They said that even Casso's customers, this guy said, were like, you know, 12 sometimes, and he would sell them anything. He said, I used to tell Casso, I don't like seeing you sell into the seventh graders, he said. Because it's one thing when he's in high school selling to the kids there.

They know what's going on. But the little kids, they just think, to hallucinate, how excellent. Thank you, Bill Endorten. To hallucinate, how excellent. Wow. That's a very stoner. To hallucinate. How excellent. Wow. That's a very stoner Shakespeare thing to say. It is. To hallucinate, man.

How excellent. So they said that what they're using as mescaline, saying is mescaline is just kind of low-grade LSD. There's not really any mescaline around Long Island in 1984. It's just LSD. around Long Island in 1984. It's just LSD. They also said that dust is what they're using a lot too, which dust was still popular when I was in high school back here.

You could get it real cheap. So they said that they would, they didn't really, he invested his profits in drugs for himself is what everybody said. One guy said he just made enough to keep his head up, to keep himself high. That was it. He would crash at a friend's house over the winter of 83, a guy named Mike Busturna, who he said he would come over all the time. And he said, I felt, I guess, the mother said that her son's, that Ricky basically said that, figured that he got thrown out by his parents and she felt bad for him. He she said, I felt he felt he was closer to home if he stayed here than if he was living in the city or on the streets or going to California or something.

So I thought maybe he would reconcile with his parents if they let him stay there. He he stayed for about 10 days there at another person's house. This is a girl named Elise, who was a friend of his. The family had a waterfront home. I'm sure they were real thrilled to see this fucking scumbag coming up here with Ricky. He would sell drugs here and there to keep going. And her father later on says, if I had known he was doing that, I would have told him to leave about selling drugs at the house there how didn't you know man they said that uh that these parents also called his parents to let him know that he was staying there like they were good people they were trying to

help out so um this around now is when he really gets into satan also a little bit it's into satanism a little bit here. This is also a quote from that same article. It's hilarious in the paper quote. It probably started when Ricky purchased a book on Satanism. It was fascinating stuff. Diametrically opposite to the Christian teachings he had followed in his home all his life. Satan was king, the king of darkness.

Evil was not feared, but cher life. Satan was king, the king of darkness. Evil was not feared but cherished. Christ was mocked. Here was something Ricky could really dig. It says in the paper. Oh, my God. Quote, because he was a pusher. Many kids in town listened to Ricky expound his theories on Satanism. Anything for a high.

Anything for a high. He's the some push a man uh he's the pusher man as curtis mayfield would say some some secretly scoffed at ricky's preachings others thought there might be something in this satan stuff maybe he's onto something it made a lot of sense especially when you were high it made sense to jimmy sense, especially when you were high. It made sense to Jimmy Troiano, especially when you were high. A lot of things make sense when you're high. And then the end of it, quote, Northport is a pleasant town, quiet, scenic. Nothing much ever happened there until the spring

when a 17-year-old boy bought a book about Satan. The town has never been the same since. All right. Okay. This cult, by the way, and I'm using definite hard air quotes here, people, it's a high school group that dates back a few years, not long,

called the Knights of the Black Circle. Okay. Yeah, they gave themselves a little nickname and everything here. I wonder if they're going to get little jackets like in greece or something they they estimated there was maybe 60 kids who oh my god they did have jackets oh my god i forgot about this there's 60 kids said they considered them and many had jackets with the name on it and like and they had like a logo and everything did you it just say knights? Yeah.

One kid said, it was like if you saw the knights in the halls, you wouldn't look them in the eye, said an 18-year-old girl. She said, they're still around. This was a couple years later. The knights inscribed Satan rules on things. Oh, God, that's so fucking funny. Satan rules, brah, yeah. Woo! Satan kicks ass.

Thank you. Satan rocks. And then you write Nugent right under it in 80. You're like, what? So, yeah, Satan rules everywhere. Pentagrams. They were the kids who made the pentagrams everywhere. Some people said there were satanic readings around bonfires in the azteca azteca kia woods where the knights would take hallucinogens they made it sound very organized but it's just kids who act like they're into bullshit and

yeah it's not they don't have an organized like seance in the woods or anything or whatever the fuck they're doing he's literally selling drugs so that he can support his drug habit they're idiots exactly um now many of them a lot of these kids kind of moved on the class of kids that were doing that but ricky hung on to it and dug it and was really keeping it in there he's the ceo james well that's the thing now he's he's really he's got to step up his game into the light here. Librarians said they recalled seeing Ricky reading books on Satanism at the public library opposite Northport Junior High. That's really, you shouldn't, you're a librarian. You shouldn't be fucking saying publicly what people read. And isn't that part of like their code is like it's a privacy thing?

Like I saw him in here reading that. That's not cool. You're not supposed to do that. I mean, the whole, library mantra is shh. So, yeah, shut the fuck up. You're yourself, lady. You're being too loud. Shh yourself, Aunt Gladys.

Shut the fuck up. So, yeah, I don't know. Maybe that's okay. Maybe it's just not like you can't. If you see something, maybe you're not supposed to call the cops and be like, there's a guy reading something here. But I guess if you're asked about it afterwards you go yeah he was reading that shit i don't care i don't know how that works i'd like to know the library code what's the librarian's code i think the see something say something policy is is uh adhered to after the

fact like if something happens because there was so much happening with btk at the library and they never said shit you know what i mean yes totally yes i did everything at the library right in front of fucking everything yeah exactly sorry i was choking there uh his friend said they remember words to a song he wrote about satan this is kind of a love song for satan uh quote we're all up in the Aztec Ikea and along came the devil it began at one point oh and this is more lyrics he pointed at me and said you my son are a child of the beast I don't know that's not really those aren't good

lyrics those are terrible did any of that rhyme I don't think so I think there was they were skipping around I don't think it was they said that in the bathroom mirrors on his house he would always like when it was fogged up he'd write 666 on him and all that kind of shit. He was that kid. He's that kid. One guy, a guy named Jim Edwards.

He's a college student who passed out religious paraphernalia. He passed out pamphlets with a group of kids from the North Port Baptist Church and remembers encountering Ricky on the street with a group of friends. This guy said, quote, he got into a real frenzy. He raised his arms up and shouted, I am Satan. God will burn. I realized I wasn't getting through, so I left. Yeah, you think? Which I would do that anyway if you tried to talk to me about religion.

I don't believe it. I would be like, ah, you're going to burn. Fuck away from me. Don't talk to me about shit um one guy one of his friends characterized a circle of friends that he had is quote more of a drug cult than a devil cult he said uh one of his friends said he played he played at satan but lived drugs okay that makes more sense yeah they would often go to the woods the uh as takakia would as takki astakia woods i guess is how you say it a z t a k e a astakia don't look at me sure this is where you're from babe i'm not from fucking long island don't you ever say i'm from long island that isn't no i am

not this is all yours jesus christ no no, no, no, no, no, no. So they would go there. They'd bring music and play it. They'd fucking smoke weed and, you know, they'd hang out in the woods. We all did that. Like everybody to go as far as you had to to find some woods to fucking sit in. This is our house now. Yeah, exactly. This is everywhere, though.

This is Hawaii. This is California. It's just there's always a place to go that's away from them. You want a place that's your domain, your dominion. Your parents aren't telling you what the fuck to do. You know, any of that shit. The oldest person here is the same age as me. That's the place.

I can smoke and drink and do what I want here. They said that Ricky would talk about his satanic theories, but mainly he'd be like fucking, you know. Whacked out. Yeah, he's all all stone saying some crazy shit all on fucking mescaline and shit yeah um they said though he always had his acid supply was so great that he was nicknamed and this is what everybody called him the acid king pretty good one yeah he would even write even on the the gazebo at the Cow Harbor Park, he wrote, Ricky the Acid King, which is, you're the guy who they all know is tripping all the time, and your name's Ricky, and the cops are going to be like, you didn't write that, did you? No, no, not me.

Not me. Not Ricky with the pocket full of acid. That couldn't be me. So, like a lot of rich parents, they think there must be a syndrome wrong with him. He's not just, I got a syndrome. It's called jerk-off syndrome. That's what this kid's got. He's got jerk-off syndrome, also known as douchebag-itis.

It's a rare condition, really. It afflicts. It's very sad. It afflicts the most privileged. It's only. It's very interesting. It never afflicted anybody that I ever knew because we were all fucking poor shit bags. But, you know, they found a syndrome for him.

Hey, he's got a syndrome. It's good. It's better now. Phaedra syndrome. F-P, or I'm sorry, P-H-A-E-D-R-A. Phaedra syndrome. Okay. I don't know.

The Casos a week before Ricky's 16th birthday. They his parents initiated an action and a Suffolk family court judge sent him to South Oaks Hospital in Amityville for treatment. I guess because they couldn't do it after he was 16. So they had to do it then. The hospital obviously wouldn't discuss it. But the parents said he was diagnosed as manic depressive and treated with lithium. So he's bipolar. They say a psychiatrist at South Oaks theorized that Ricky suffered from

Phaedra syndrome, a condition, a condition. Now, a condition is something that happens to you to your body whether you can help or your mind whether you can help it or not this is a condition in which a person seeks failure as a way of lessening the expectations he feels are being placed upon him what you have to be in like the top two% of income to fucking ever have that syndrome. Because what expectations does anyone have that you would shrink from and ruin your life to run away from? No one had expectations of shit. Don't kill anyone.

Please try to pass grades in school. That's all we ask of you. Make enough money to pay taxes one day. That's all I care about. Make enough money to get the fuck out of my house when you're 18 that's that was it there was no no one expected me to be an attorney or pressured me or any of that shit so expectations a way of think about that i'm going to read that one more time a condition in which a person seeks failure as a way of lessening the expectations he feels are being placed upon him. Wow.

Whoa. Wow. His parents said that they thought that was perplexing, though, they said. They said, all we asked is that he participate in wholesome activities. That's what his dad said. Wholesome. Family values. We didn't expect him to be an all-American when he couldn't be. They were like, we didn't expect him to be.

They said, we didn't pressure him. We didn't tell him to be perfect. It's not our pressure. Somewhere else. It's not our pressure somewhere. It's not our pressure. It's whatever. Ricky ran away from South Oaks Hospital five times during his three month stay. Keep an eye on Ricky here. One time at the hospital, he tied a sweatshirt to a shower rod and tried to hang himself.

Oh, no. Yeah. He later told his parents about the failed attempt and told his mother if i'm ever put in jail i will kill myself so just so you know one time to fuck with his mom this motherfucker's evil he pretended he tried to commit suicide by popping up at the top of the stairway leading to the bedrooms well after rubbing ketchup all over his wrists and said look see what you did to me by keeping me here jesus christ his mother freaked out ran upstairs realized it was fake and then he laughed at her and what the fuck man um yeah what what is that i'd love a scientist to get a hold

of this guy because it's phaedra syndrome jimmy it's fuck out of here this is he wants attention somehow you know he's screaming for attention from his family he's afflicted with asswipism it's very difficult it's a tough thing to overcome yeah you're this is a family they seem they're trying everything like you can't try any more than this um so one of the kids he knew said he told me the way he got out of South Oaks Hospital. He bullshitted when he went in. They believed he worshipped Satan and shit. And he told the doctors that he was fine, that he was going to go back to school and doesn't believe in Satan anymore. And he bullshit the doctor so much they finally believed him and let him go, which sounds about right.

Another. This is a girl labeled quote prepster girl 17 his parents put him in some kind of hospital and he ran away from it one day at the train station i saw him he dyed his hair so no one could find him he still looks crazy with the same hair just different color i said what's going on and he goes no way they're gonna lock me up i'm not crazy i'm not crazy institutionalized yeah that one is crazy this song is fucking about him that's what it is all i wanted was a pepsi and then i put ketchup all over my wrists wow um he said um i'm not crazy and i was like i never

said you were crazy but maybe you need help with drugs he said i do not and then he started yelling and coming closer. I talked my way out of it. I think Ricky stopped living in the eighth grade. So he said, like, I think Ricky became a something else. Yeah. So anyway, does all this. Then he comes back.

He ran away. Comes back with a bronchial infection. Oh, boy. So his parents bought him warm clothes and he went back to the Deer Park Learning Center. He suspended for cutting school. The Caso said, listen, you can't do this anymore. He did it again. You know how it goes here. The dad even said, quote, We tried good old good old fashioned marine discipline. We tried putting our arms around him. We tried everything.

So here's a quote from teen dust head one. He's a great source. Teen dust head one. He said, quote, Ricky took everything just like Jim Morrison. The younger crowd was impressed by what he did. About six months ago, he started going to the South Bronx with a friend of mine. He used to drive in, get dusted, and drive back. After two months, they finally crashed my friend's car. They were all dusted out. Rick found other

ways to get into the city, though. I told Ricky, don't do too many drugs. You'll be dead soon. He said, yeah, that's exactly what I want. I said, boy, it's your choice. Ever since then, I stopped hanging out with him because he would go to cemeteries and hang out, smoke 10 bags of angel dust and try to get in touch with the devil. Chant Satan, Satan, Satan. He's a drug fiend. That's all he is. Yeah. He's a nut.

I would say so. Another, Mark Fisher said, quote, Ricky was of the devil. When he was on acid, of the devil. Ricky, Delos devil. was on ass of the devil uh ricky de los devil uh when he was on acid he uh he'd go back into the dark woods up there and as techia and he would uh talk to the devil he said the devil came in the form of a tree which sprouted out of the ground and glowed i tried to question him about it, but he said, I don't like to talk about it. People think I'm nuts. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. Another girl said,

quote, when the dust came to town, Angel Dust, Ricky and the guys used to go down to the graveyard. They'd tape themselves tripping on acid and mescaline and dust. They thought the devil possessed the tape and they were all these, you know, different voices.

Drugs aren't for them. They like it's not they don't know the difference between reality and fantasy these are guys that are incapable of doing drugs they're fucking morons yeah these are the kids you have to keep drugs away from no you're not no you're not together enough for drugs you you can't handle it nope you can't do it once in a while and have fun with it. You're an idiot. Ricky De Los Diablo is not allowed. No shit. Well, let's find out what Teen Dust Head 2 has to say about this. They found two of these guys. I love how it's like a tag team. Yeah.

Like Team Dust Head 1 and 2, like the Moondogs or something from back in the day. He said, quote, Ricky and this dude were in my car and they're like, we're going to try to get this cult going. It's like, it's a small business. We're going to try

to get this cult going, bro. We're looking for some seed money. We need some capital. Some star. I got a meeting with Wells Fargo,

but I'm not sure they're going to give me the loan. I got to be honest with you. We're going to try to get this cult going. Go into the library to read up on some books we want your mother to be the leader of it

see my mother has these powers she raises tables we've talked to Jim Morrison through a table oh boy teen dust head 2 has fucking fried his brain it's over for him his mother has powers that can levitate tables and make Jim Morrison talk through a table.

Oh, boy. Yeah. Here's Mark Fisher again. Quote, if you met Ricky, he was just one of the nicest people you'd ever meet. After he smoked seven packets of dust, we were seven, we were having a regular conversation. Meanwhile, this other guy who'd smoked with him was in complete psychosis making animal movements karate movements karate he's going into like the crane and then pretending to be a fucking aardvark in the next breath like what the fuck is happening meanwhile ricky's sitting here telling

me about the fucking the great depression and the market crash holy Holy shit, man. The police were here, and the policeman says, you don't step on our toes, we won't step on yours. I guess don't be dicks. Don't fuck anything up, and you can stay. Ricky would take 10 hits of mesc in a night.

Jesus. He would take three. Ten minutes later, he'd take another three. Two hours later, he'd take four more. He figured it out in his mind how to take the most without ODing. Ricky is the acid king.

Ricky is the acid king. He talked to my girlfriend once on the phone. She said, do you have a girlfriend? He said, no, I'm not into relationships. They never last. That's pretty heavy. No, it's not. It's not heavy.

It's what teenagers do. I'm not into relationships they never last you know on account i'm always doing drugs yeah always well here's mark he continues when he moved back home for a while he started scaring his parents because he wrote some songs about satan that'll do it yeah uh he'd talk about his drug deals openly. Mom, I'm going to go down to get a few hits of mesk. I'll be back for dinner. Jesus Christ. He doesn't get it. Nope. His parents

got fed up with it. It wasn't just the ketchup on his wrists. He put ketchup on his wrists and called down to his mother, see what you made me do. His mother ran up the stairs and he started laughing at her when she realized it was ketchup. And here's another girl from the class, from his school ricky sang me this song that he wrote on his guitar it was something like a child of the devil he'd put on these weird eyes and make a weird smile

about it it was cute though the way he did it that's what she said that's why charles manson can fucking get a bunch of girls because you can look like a fucking maniac and go ping, ping, ping, strum a guitar a couple of times, sing a song. And some girl will go, he was cute while he did it. I don't know. And then that's it. That's what he's going to do forever. That explains the music business in a nutshell. Just, but it was catchy, but it was catchy. Yeah. He's a scumbag. So April 21st, 1984, now that everything's set, took a long while, So, April 21st, 1984, now that everything's set. Took a long while, but we had to set up who everybody is here. Wow.

April 21st, 84. Ricky, obviously Casso, Jimmy Troiano, and a number of teenage boys and girls are at a party. It's a big Long Island fucking shit fest here. It was held at the home of a girl whose parents were out of town. Of course it was. She had to explain all the drywall damage when they got back because a bunch of Long Island kids will fucking kick holes in your wall. They absolutely will. So the beer bottles through the ceiling. Absolutely.

The game was try not to hit a stud. Oh, God. I remember one party that after it was over, they broke out the entire front window of the house and the Christmas tree was in the front yard. That's all I remember is it was like, what the fuck happened? It was destroyed in there. It was probably $40,000 worth of damage to this house that people did. It was like, whoa, you people are animals. I fucking left.

I was like, nope. I'm not into destruction. I like to pick out a room and get stoned and laugh i'm not gonna break anything i'm too high to do that shit the house was sold so she was like i don't care do whatever we're moving i was like oh boy okay wrong thing to say to kids we're 19 this is gonna go bad oh man so a lot of dudes left with with sore wrists from hitting studs with a with an a3 just an actual miller light bottle from on the fucking heel of your hand just jamming it up into the ceiling with no stud finder yeah you're gonna kill yourself that's gonna fucking hurt

yeah big time Right through the popcorn. Plop. So to this party, Ricky brings along a shitload of dust and mescaline. That's what he's got here. Fucking great party. Everybody had a good time. There's drugs there. As the night goes on, Ricky fell asleep.

Yeah. Who knows what he's been doing? He's probably been up for three days. He's in the house now. So remember Gary Lowers here? Yeah. fucking old gare scab chair gare still wanted more angel dust here he wanted more dust he's like i need more dust so he saw ricky was laying there he said he saw there was a corner of one of the packets sticking out of ricky's pocket oh so he's like oh shit i don't want to wake him up so he just reached in and took it and took some dust.

Now, he didn't think anybody saw him. But somebody at the party saw him and told Ricky the next day. Oh, no. Okay. How do you think Ricky the Acid King is going to react to this? You stole from me. Even though he's known him since the second grade. As the paper puts it, quote, the Acid King was furious.

That's a bad start to a story. He had he used to give Gary shit for free all the time, too. That was the thing. But he said that now this little motherfucker is going to steal from me. I give him shit for free, but don't steal it from me. So the next time they met up, Ricky said, give me my fucking either. Give me my shit back, which obviously you probably don't have because you did it or fucking pay me. So Gary was started hemming and hawing.

Oh, I don't know what you mean. So Ricky beat the shit out of him. That's how that went. So Gary ended up returning five packets of dust to him. He stole 10 packets of dust from Ricky, which is a lot. That's a lot. One is like, oh, sorry. I was just trying.

I wanted to buy it from you, but I didn't want to wake you up. So I took it. I'll give you the money. Like the 10 is I'm stealing. He took all he had left. Exactly. So he gave him five and he said that he didn't have the other five because he probably used

them. Ricky said, great. Give me 50 fucking bucks then for the five because that's what they're worth. So give me 50 bucks. Gary said he'd go home and get the money from his parents and I'll just get it from my parents, say I need to do something and I'll pay you back

and we'll get it over with. He went home, never came back. So Ricky's pissed. Over the next few weeks, Ricky beat up Gary four different times. Jesus. Sometimes by himself, sometimes him and a bunch of his friends

would beat the shit out of Gary. Like Gary just, every time he'd see him, they'd beat the hell out of Gary. That's how it worked. Here's one of the, this is the girl who said that she thought he was cute while he played the guitar. She said, Jimmy Troiano had just gotten out of jail. It was like April. He and Ricky were going after Gary, looking for him, because he ripped him off. And Albert Quinonez made Ricky take off his ring

because he didn't want him to really fuck Gary up. I saw Ricky walking up the street looking for him, happy, psyched, and everything. And then I saw Gary come out from behind the white church. He walks up and his jacket was ripped. He had a cut on the side of his face, blood dripping down. Maybe his lip was bleeding.

I think he hadn't paid him back the money yet. You think? You think? You think? She's got a bright future, this girl. Very bright future. She's real protective. Man, that's what she is. Homicide department somewhere needs her.

Here's another girl who said, quote, I fixed his wounds up for him once. His black eye and he had a bloody nose too. He told me Ricky was an asshole. He bought a knife for protection, but i don't think he carried it around gary told me ricky told him uh he was going to kill him supposedly he said last time ricky beat me up he says next time he's coming back for more and it's not going to be just a black eye so that's what's going on so now also in april ricky ends up he calls his parents he in April, Ricky ends up, he calls his parents. He hasn't been around in a while.

He calls his parents only because he's arrested. He's arrested for grave digging. But, you know, like not for the church, like digging a grave that's already occupied. Is he like looting the grave or just taking, what for? He's grave robbing. He's digging up graves. He was at an old, an Indian cemetery and he was digging up graves, which, you know, if you've seen a movie, I mean, that doesn't sound like a good idea. You're going to get a poltergeist at least out of that, right?

It's going to be bad. Yeah, but if you're under the devil, I guess you can take over that. I don't know. I suppose. I don't know what the force is, how they rate. I guess he begged his father to appear in court and say he's a decent kid. He ended up not going to jail for it somehow, which is good for him, I guess. So in mid-April, that's when he's arrested, and the charge was for violating public health laws. He dug five feet into the grave site at an isolated colonial area cemetery hidden near the entrance to the North Port Long Island Lighting Company.

So like one of those little old ones like around here, you know what I mean? Police said the grave digging was part of a satanic ritual and that Casso was also a devil worshiper. In an interview with a reporter, Casso said he, quote, went through a little phase a while ago where he was into devil worshipping. And then he said, I was into drugs and stuff. But he also said the police are exaggerating his involvement in Satanism because they found a picture of the devil in his wallet. What, like a like an eight like a wallet size like a here's my mom. Here's my little sister. She's she's in like sixth grade

this year she's a really good ballerina here's the devil here is my grandmother keep them all in there yeah i picture him like you know like a class picture he's smiling the devil smile horns up he's like how you doing like here's the devil around mrs diablo the blue background the thing you know with the clouds in it and shit or laser so or oh the lasers one yeah that was a good one but what so the the the charge is public health because like getting body air i guess what is he i don't know what else because i guess he didn't get all the way down there they had to charge him with something i don't know if that's technically like somebody posted somewhere like cannibalism is only a crime in, like, one state.

It doesn't matter. That's because the things you have to do to acquire human meat are illegal already. So if you're eating it, you've already done 10 illegal fucking things to get it. You can't legally acquire human meat for roasting. So it doesn't matter whether you eat it. Once you get a chunk of meat, all the stuff you got it to there, that's the crime. What you do with it doesn't fucking matter at that point. Why would it be illegal to eat something?

Don't need it to be. Fuck what you're eating. I don't care. That's what I mean. That's like making laws for the moon. Like, well, we can't get there, so what difference does it make? No speeding on the moon. All right, great.

It's illegal to pee in public on the moon. Well, good, I guess. Terrific. Well, because it'll fly up into the air. Yeah,. Great. It's illegal to pee in public on the moon. Good. Well, good, I guess. Terrific. Well, because it'll fly up into the air. Yeah, you don't want that on you. It should just be completely lawless up there forever. Who cares?

You're not going to get there. So one guy here said that, quote, it wasn't a cult. They never chanted. They never killed any animals. Ricky just had ideas in his head. That's his attorney said that. Come on. Gary was one of the guys who would hang around, like we said, and get beat up now.

When he got arrested, he had a list of the, quote, dignitaries in hell in his pocket. Just a list of demons and shit. See the list of like a like a little address book he had. Oh, yeah. Beelzebub's out of town for two weeks this week. Hold on. Let me cross him out. He's not going to get a hold of him.

One guy here, a friend said, quote, there's a power trip in Satanism. It says now you can strike back at the people that screwed you up. The doctor said Casa was antisocial. Wrong. Antisocial means sitting in a corner at a party. Sociopath means robbing graves. He's got the meaning of antisocial wrong that's antisocial doesn't mean i don't want to talk to people as much because i'm shy that's not antisocial antisocial is a whole separate thing antisocial behavior is destruction of society it's

yeah it's a lot you know like digging up a grave yeah it's exactly what they said yeah that's why dumb shit teenagers shouldn't be quoted unless it's something funny. So about medical. Thank you, fucking, what's his name? Tony. Thank you, Dr. Tony, for your diagnosis. Tony, 19. Hey, Tony, come over here.

I'd like you to make a complicated diagnosis of my psychosis inside my brain. Could you do that for me, Tony? No problem, buddy. Seems like, I don't know. I seen you at a party. You're just kind of sitting around. You might be a little antisocial. You know what I mean?

You're against the social things. Jesus Christ. You're against social norms. He's against social norms. You know what I mean? He's against small talk. That's what he's really against. That's what it is.

He's just fucking impatient. He's like me. i'm not a big fan of where you're from no i don't want to see your juicer no i don't in may of 84 ricky has pneumonia okay and uh he is taking to his parents take him to the hospital and while he's there they seek to have him involuntarily committed as well oh when he's that all clears up let's get him in for let's get him up on the rack for a full diagnostic here get him a good lube and tube yeah they told the drug doc this is a great line quote they told the doctors of his grave digging daily use of hallucinogens and other drugs suicide attempts jokes and threatening behavior the psychiatrist found casso to be antisocial but not presently psychotic and let him go so he is over there's a cloud of antisocial that hangs over him which will make him psychotic at times but right now he's not psychotic so what am i supposed to sit him here forever and wait for him to get psychotic again

they don't do that so uh a few days after this was a few days after the grave digging arrest you catch a cold when you grave dig you know what i mean that's just karma yeah you dig up a grave and then you get pneumonia two days later come on man like that's just some karmic shit right there yeah you're in a hole um so um anyway the doctor said that they couldn't involuntarily commit him. The psychiatrist said that he was not a threat to himself or anyone else just showing antisocial behavior there. So Ricky returns right to the streets when he gets out of the hospital, doesn't stay

with his parents. Um, none of that shit. Uh, one girl here says, quote, I was the closest person to Ricky. He'd stay in the clubhouse all the time. Remember her clubhouse or whatever? He was sweet. He needed help. I talked to him for hours and hours during the night.

He didn't hate his family, but he blamed them for a lot of things. One night before he had to go to court for digging up the grave, he stayed here. In the morning, he went home and his father wouldn't let him take a shower or eat, wouldn't let him in the house. After court, he let him off in front of the Midway store ricky asked for a quarter he wanted a bagel his father said no so ricky kicked in the door of his father's red corvette and dented it jesus well you can't dent a red corvette you can break it but you can't dent a corvette because it's made of fiberglass but there's also like a equal and opposite reaction to an action. And that is not.

That's overreaction. Proportionality is the word you're looking for. That's unbelievable. He went way too far for a quarter. For a quarter. So his father left and came back a half hour later and gave him $2 and told him never to call his house again or to talk to his mother or sisters again and said he never wanted to see him again. This is what Ricky told this girl, but we don't know if that's true.

That extra sympathy. My father gave me $2 and said never to call my little sister and talk to her ever again. Then she goes, oh, Ricky, and next thing you know, you're getting a handjob. That's how teenagers are. That's how teenagers are. Not saying she did, but that's right. You're checking her temperature. that's how teenagers are not saying she did but that's right you're checking her temperature uh the uh if that is true if that story is true it makes sense because the reaction of him to his

father's words are equal to the reaction of his father to his like it just the whole family is just bubbling and every reaction gets an overreaction from everybody too much from everything um june 15th ish and i'm going to say ish because we have a there's a discrepancy that the police that nobody can figure out that's of two days we don't know if it's the 15th or the 17th because the next date we're going to talk about it's either the 17th or the 19th so but definitely not the 13th not the 13th june 15th ish either later or then um troiano was picked up by the police and questioned about a burglary of a house garage in which a leaf blower and a checkbook were taken and uh who keeps their checkbook and leaf blower

in the same place it's a weird drawer it's an odd junk drawer go to the checkbook leaf blower there's all sorts of stuff in there an awfully big drawer there's a unicycle in there there's a lot in there just look around he was arrested yeah he gets arrested and then he's released so this is either june 17th or 19th we're leaning towards 17th this is a kid at the party he says quote everybody was fucked up that night it was one of those first night school ended. So everybody was out. It was a festive night. You could feel it.

We got done with finals. People were tripping. People were stoned. Gary went into the park and came back and said, I saw cats, man. Tripping. I said, sure. Maybe he saw a cat in the park. And he said, no, man, there's cats all over the place.

He was flipping out. One of the last the whole broad plays in everything man all of them bro i got it they said take the makeup off free yourselves he said one of the things he said to me well i guess it's safe for me to come down here now i'm all paid off i'm good it's safe um then he said uh that he was going to go somewhere on the other side of the park and he said i'm going to get some beers and get fucked up. So that night, a woman there, a woman, a young lady, she's a teenager, she's like 50 now, but she's a teenager.

She said that night, Gary said, Mom, he calls me Mom. Why is he calling another kid Mom? I don't know. Mom, I'm going back to school. I got my act together. I paid my debts and I got a lot of friends and I don't really care about, got a lot of friends and i don't really care about my i really care about myself and i don't need drugs anymore i'm gonna start over he says this while tripping balls yeah which is super easy to say yeah you feel really good

you're like i don't even need to do this anymore because right now i'm i'm this will last forever right so rick ritchie barton is another kid, quote, I was down at the park last night. I went up to the Aztecilla three hours earlier with Rick and Jim, Ricky and Jimmy. We tried to make a fire, but we couldn't. It was wet. Then we tried to get out of the woods, but we couldn't. There was no moon, and there's lots of paths up there. And we had the tunes cranking, Sabbath, Ozzie, Judas Priest.

Yeah, you did. When we got out of the woods, I said, I'm going home to trip out by myself, which is a terrible idea. Never go trip by yourself. Jesus. So that night, Gary thought everything was fine. They're all hanging out, kind of separating into groups like teenagers do. Some of the kids are over here drinking. They all know each other.

But the main four that are hanging out are Albert Quinonez ricky casso uh jimmy troiano and gary lowers those are the four kind of the main group they're all tripping out and shit like that um so everybody seemed to be getting along they're being nice to gary they're playing fucking music and all that kind of shit um so yeah albert comes over canones and sits down gary was really excited when uh ricky invited him hey gary come over here man and he was like oh really and like i'm not gonna beat the shit out of him so they said they were all just you know doing their thing um uh gary was trying to remember the words to the sesame street theme song they're tripping they're just doing stupid shit yeah he couldn't

remember the words that song yeah that's what he's trying to remember all the words too and he was laughing so hard trying to do it because he couldn't remember and they said he was waving at the sharks that he thought he saw in the harbor hi sharks sunny days what the fuck is that song man clouds away oh a guy came out of a garbage can bro it's fucking awesome what comes after clouds away fuck damn it i guess uh jimmy had a bottle of orange juice we'll talk about that for a second here and albert coniones was laughing at the whole situation they all swallowed a bunch of hits of mescaline, apparently. And they also had smoked a bunch of angel dust and also some hash they had, too. So dust, hash, tripping.

There's a lot going on here. And they had a bunch of drugs more for later. They had shit going on. Which drug in that cocktail takes hold, though? Because you got to feel one. Acid overtakes everything. Acid overtakes it all. Why do everything else? Yep. No matter. matter well weed feels cool when you're on acid but that's mainly like it

gives you like a little head rush for a second but like acid uh over will overtake everything yeah when you've got a brain high the body high doesn't matter none of it matters when you're like fucking seeing trails and shit your brain is going in a weird rabbit hole that you can't explain no matter how hard you try to explain to somebody how you can see inside your thought but then the other side of the back side of it while still seeing inside of it how do you explain that to people huh waste of drugs telling you so ricky says to people if you've ever tripped you know you'd know that the grave digger song tripping when he says yeah he's trying to explain he goes it's like oh god damn it

i hate it i'm like yes that's exactly tripping it's exactly the way you do it i can explain oh god damn it i hate it because you can't explain what you're feeling and it's annoying uh that's the only way to explain it is oh god damn it i hate it so i don't want to do that many things together ricky says let's go pool hopping let's find some pools man and um you know he had this is where he by the way had some graffiti up his ricky the acid king was on the ceiling there and um they said where's the closest pool i want to swim so the girl who thought he was cute when he played satan songs she said that night jimmy and albert and ricky came up to me wanted to buy mesk they were really happy and everything they were up to me, wanted to buy mesk. They were really happy and everything.

They were dehydrated or wanted me to buy mesk. They were really happy and everything. They were dehydrated. So they asked me where the nearest swimming pool was. They're going to fucking drink out of it. There's chlorine in there because they wanted to go pool hopping. They asked me to go to the deli to get orange juice. I got them the biggest orange juice I could find.

And they were so happy. All three of them chugged it down. They were all dosed, and they were happy. So Ricky, another girl here, said Ricky gave Gary hits of mesk and bought him jelly donuts at Dunkin' Donuts. That was nice. Yeah. First, Gary didn't want to go, but then Ricky said, we'll buy jelly donuts. So he was like, yeah, and went with him.

Sounds great. So Mark Fisher again says Ricky had 25 hits of mesk in a little stash bottle down at the park i was going to get beers and i gave them my box and had my tape in it black sabbath we sold our soul for rock and roll that's the tape that was in it i came back and they had left oh shit i heard they went up to the woods and any girls who wanted to get fucked should go up there. That was the word. We're in the woods.

Any girls wanting to get fucked, come on over here. Not a lot of takers going for that one here. That's what this guy says. That was the word. So I went up to the woods. Yeah, there's going to be girls there. They're going to be leaving trails behind them.

They're going to be so wet. Like the in-betweeners frothing at the gash i gotta get up there and see what's what because if there's even one up there i want in i want in he said but i didn't quite make it because it was so dark i was bumping into trees and falling down i heard noises as i got closer but i couldn't tell which way to go so i finally gave up the dark at night. That sounds like a fucking nightmare. It does, yeah. The woods are so... I've been in the woods tripping in the dark, where the guy leading the way, because you can't just... We had no flashlight or anything pre-phones, so he

would flick his bick every four seconds to just light it up for that split second of the flint going off. Not enough to put a light on. Just so it would look like strobe lights. Oh, God, it was scary. Every 10 feet looks like the last 10 feet. At that point, Jesus Christ, that's horrible. So one of the kids announces there's a keg party, man.

It's free. Free fucking keg party. So most of the kids take off to go to the keg party yeah so yeah they go all there yeah but jimmy gary ricky and albert hung back um they went across the street to a road that went into the trees there that we're talking about these woods that we always mention here um they knew where to go in the woods because if it's your woods that you go all the time you can do it in the dark. You know exactly where shit is here. So they made a circle here.

And there's where the bonfires are. Because it's kind of the place where they always are. They're all there. The fire wouldn't start. Fire wouldn't start. So Gary decided to throw in his dirty socks into the fire to try to get it going use my socks man so the socks burned but then they just burned away because they're cotton so they just went and they were gone um so ricky said why don't you throw in your your denim jacket

throw that in the fire and gary was like i don't want to fucking throw my jacket in the fire it's my denim jacket this is my like burnout calling card this is you know what i mean like this is this is like my business card for a fucking burnout teenager so um gary was like no and then they made a deal that how about we'll just burn the sleeves we'll cut the sleeves off and burn it that'll get it started yeah that'll look way cooler so ricky says so he said all right gary said okay so r Ricky pulls out a pocket knife and Jimmy cut the sleeves off. They cut them off, threw them into the fire and the sleeves actually started the fire. They worked. So good for you.

Albert sat away from the other three kids. He was talking to himself and talking to the trees. Yeah, he was tripping and didn't even really know what was going on. He was he's fucked up. Yeah, he was detached from pretty much everything that was going on from here on out fire starts dying down some so ricky suggests hey why don't we use some of gary's hair to keep the fire going what no which is a very odd thing um gary said no but ricky we'll talk about it, but they basically chased him down, held him down, and used the pocket knife to cut a bunch of clumps of hair off of his head. Wow.

Which is disturbing. The hair didn't do much for the fire because obviously it wouldn't. So then Gary, after all this, said, quote, I'm getting bad vibes that you want to hurt me. And Ricky said, hurt you? I don't want to hurt you. I want to kill you to Gary. So now it's let's talk about what happened here's albert kinyonis who's sitting on the side tripping he said quote gary already paid him his money back everyone was his friend i mean ricky and gary were both talking a lot shit like that uh the thing that bugs me out

man is all of them were pushing me especially gary and Ricky, to take a hit of mescaline. They were all tripping. It bugs me out. I didn't want to, but I finally just said, what the hell? So I took a hit. Ricky treated us to donuts at Dunkin' Donuts. To me, Gary was being cool and shit. And then we went up to Aztec Kia because they wanted to go to a good tripping area.

And they've got a little field where you can trip out hey make a fire you run around in the woods it's fun if you're a kid so then he says quote see Ricky was getting pissed off because he couldn't start a fire so Gary just takes off his socks and puts them in there after Gary made a fire with his socks he didn't want to make it bigger and Ricky comes out with a remark hey why don't you burn your whole jacket this guy's like how about I just cut the sleeves off and use the sleeves? Gary's trying to go along to get along here, get along, whatever the fuck it is. He said it was fucked, man.

So he took his jacket off and gave it to Ricky. And Gary just chopped off the sleeves. I guess he was going to make it into a vest. All of a sudden, Gary goes, I have funny vibes. You're going to kill me. And Ricky was saying, i'm not gonna kill you are you crazy and shit like that i was uh i was tripping out um i was uh peaking i was peaking tripping out which is you're really hardcore yeah he said and they were just fighting punching each

other and shit and i didn't think anything was going to happen i mean i could see ricky's point too which is that he was friends with gary and he turns around and steals 10 bags of dust from him. So they were just rolling around on the ground and shit. And Gary got up to his feet faster after Jimmy had ran up to him and kicked him in the ribs and shit. And Gary had just gotten up to his feet and Ricky just bit him in the neck, bit him in the ear, and then he just stabbed him. Wow. It was a trip, man. I in the ear, and then he just stabbed him. Wow. It was a trip, man. I'll tell you, man.

It was a trip. I mean, you sit there and stare out and look at trees and it looks like they're bending down and shit. I don't know, man. That was a trip. I thought it was a nightmare. I couldn't move, man. My whole body, all of a sudden, it just wouldn't move. It wouldn't function.

It was like in shock. I was going crazy man i just stood there in my place like all bugged out he said after ricky stabbed him gary took off ran and ricky got him just like that jimmy picked up the knife after ricky had dropped it and gave it to ricky and ricky made gary get on his knees and say i love sat Satan. Richard Ramirez. Exactly. It was going on at the same time here. Then Ricky just started hacking away from him, man. He just kept stabbing him and shit. And then Gary was screaming.

I love my mother. It was really fucked, man. That's fucking terrible. Jesus Christ. And then they grabbed him by the legs and dragged him into the woods. Ricky and Jimmy dragged him into the woods. They came running out of the woods after they just threw leaves on him and shit. I wasn't going to rat them out because what's like another body?

Man, it's no big deal. I mean, you see them kill once, you just don't think like they're going to kill you too. Holy shit. Yeah, this is what happened well it gets worse the suffolk county medical examiner said that there was between 32 and 36 stab wounds including the eyes had been stabbed out wow they stabbed his eyes out man um it was hard all over his face back it was fucking horrific it was so bad they said that uh it was so badly mutilated that they thought that obviously that they didn't know what the fuck happened to him. So Albert Quinones, the kid who just told all that, he said he ran home terrified through the woods. He said the next day, Jimmy told a friend of his that Ricky had killed Gary. The friend was appalled but but promised not to tell anyone. Like, that's gross, but I won't say anything.

So for the next few days, tons of people were asking about Gary because he's not popping up. He's not hanging out where he usually is. But his parents weren't concerned because he used to run away for days at a time all the time. So they never thought about it. And they'll be back.

Not like normally when a 16, 17-year-old kid goes missing. Right. You know, it's a big deal. By nightfall, there's crews looking for him. So Ricky Casso goes around bragging to everybody about this. Everybody. Like it's not a murder.

Like it's nothing. He bragged. He claimed, he told one person, Satan manifested in the form of a black crow right after Gary died and that the crow had cawed. And he interpreted that as Satan's approval of the murder. Um, yeah,

he told everybody, he told at least two dozen kids about this. Too many, two dozen weeks went by Jimmy and none of these kids came forward. What the fuck? Remember Richie Barton? I brought up the kid who said, I'm going to go trip alone.

He said they, he took Richie to see, he said, you want to see it? He said, I killed Gary and he said, bullshit. And he goes, yeah, I did. I'll fucking to go trip alone. He said they he took Richie to see. He said, you want to see it? He said, I killed Gary. And he said, bullshit. And he goes, yeah, I did. I'll fucking show you the body. And he takes him. And Richie said, quote, holy shit, man. I see all these maggots on him, a thick pile of them at the top of the leaves. I said, Rick, I'm getting the hell out of here. I'll meet you back downtown. I just fucking booked it out of there. I met Ricky

back in the park he was calm and he's like see i told you and i said i think you're crazy man you're gonna get caught why'd you do this man he said for kicks or something like that it's like now if he gets caught i'm going to get involved so i don't tell anybody but i couldn't escape it it came up every two minutes and it's literally everybody. I mean, he tells fucking everybody. Richie said he was so scared. Richie ended up going and hanging out with Quinonez, and they talked about it.

And, you know, they were doing that. Albert? But Albert Quinonez, yeah. Now, Richie Barton, this kid is scared shitless of Ricky. Ricky comes over and, like, stays at his house after this. Oh, my God. He said afterward, Ricky stayed over scared shitless of Ricky. Ricky comes over and stays at his house after this. Oh, my God. He said afterward, Ricky stayed over four times, I guess. I'd be sitting down in my room, and he'd just come through the back door.

He was my friend. He'd sleep on the floor of my room and use his leather jacket as a blanket. He'd get up at two in the afternoon, and I'd cook him some hot dogs. Pancakes is what that sounded like. We've had prints on pancakes referenced. Ricky thought that because they're going to build some houses up there that they'd stumble across the body in like a year or so. And he was sort of worried that a person would go on a wood hunt and grab a stick, but it would be a hand or a bone. He asked me to help bury it.

I said, fuck that, man. I'm not getting near that thing. I saw it once and that's enough, which is the normal. Yeah. What a normal kid should say. Dude, you know that guy. You can't say I'm not getting near that. That's crazy.

That's what I mean. This is fucking crazy. He said that thing. I said, you can have this shovel and you don't have to give it back. Keep it. Yeah. Once you bury a body with it, you can keep it. Go ahead.

Another guy. It's like someone borrowing a toothpick and then giving it back to you. once you bury a body with it you can keep it go ahead another guy it's like someone borrowing a toothpick and then giving it back to you no that's yours now another guy drove rick up there to do it and he did it by himself and after he just came up to me and said i buried the body i said thank god um then the other day uh then the other guy asked me about gary up at the loading docks. He's like, you think he's like, you know, I think Lowers is dead. I'm like, holy shit. Really?

I'm just acting. His friend Scott got a call from Lowers mother. Somebody had called her and said, I killed your son. Who do you think that was? You know? Wow. I said, no, he's probably not dead. He probably just ran away.

And the girl who thought he was cute while he played devil music said, no, he's probably not dead. He probably just ran away. And the girl who thought he was cute while he played devil music said, quote, Jimmy told my boyfriend a week after they did it laughing. Hey, you know, Gary Lowers. Oh, we killed him last week and then went into detail. My boyfriend wasn't going to say anything to me. I wear the peace signs. No one's going to tell me about a murder. Her nickname in Rolling Stone is Peace Nick Girl. So, yeah. signs no one's going to tell me about a murder they her nickname in rolling stone is peace nick girl so yeah so ricky told a girl that gary was dead and that he had killed him in a sacrifice to satan um she didn't tell anyone uh he also told another kid who didn't believe the story so ricky

told him as well then he just started saying basically you want to see a dead body and then taking them out. Ten days go by. All this is happening. Weeks. One of the kids said, Gary disappeared so often you didn't even think about it. The peacenik girl said, just offhand, I said to Ricky, I know you don't even care, but have you seen Gary? Because we talked to his mother and she hasn't seen him in a while. And he was just like, no.

Later that night, we hung out for a while. He started complaining he was getting flashbacks he didn't feel good he just said i had a really bad trip a really bad trip he had poison ivy all over him and i gave him calamine lotion it freaked me out after i heard these things i helped him and i helped him aid in the cure of the poison ivy he got burying my friend jesus god another kid said ricky just told him yeah everything's cool with me and gary and that's all that's all it's all good don't worry about it so that was it um one guy said gary was helping me fix my car his tools were here his hose was here and some of his tapes were here and i owed him 30 and it didn't connect that he didn't come back for all that stuff and ask for the money because he must be dead that'll tell you right there that he's that he's missing so july 1st is when the they get a notification the police do um of you know that there was one a teenage

girl finally calls yeah and um one of the kids said quote i didn't want to get involved it wasn't any of my business my parents would have killed me that's why they didn't tell that's why all these kids didn't tell how james petrogallo of you yeah mine they didn't want their parents going well how do you know about that and all this whole thing and then look into their lives next thing you know you can't smoke weed in peace that's the problem none of my business i didn't see shit so they get police dogs out and all this type of shit looking for a body uh albert quinones said for those weeks weeks when I didn't know what to do, I was going crazy. I was afraid. I didn't know what to think because no one's normal enough to do that.

No one's normal enough to do that. If you do that, man, you've got to have lost it. I'd think about going to the cops and just sort of, no, man, because they'd try to frame me, man. They'd set me up. Don't tell mom the babysitter's dead. They're definitely going to the cops and just sort of no man because they try to frame me, man. They'd set me up. Don't tell mom the babysitter's dead. They're definitely going to call mom. I tried to avoid them. And all I did was and all they did was all they did was I can't tell what that is.

We hung out. They're very persistent. They would laugh about it and shit. They told so many people they would just make jokes oh gary's dead no big deal let's go get another one they'd say let's go up there and watch him rot so the fourth of july is where they end up a dog ends up on unearthing gary um they could they couldn't find enough flesh for a fingerprint because It's July. He's been decomposing. They called him basically a pile

of bones wearing a denim vest and running pants. And some Nikes. Next to the grave was the spot on the ground where it had laid for burial. So you can see where it was and then where it rotted into the ground and then where they moved it. They said tissue has darkened and the blood has drained.

The body sank into the earth. Under under some leaves the worms did their work transfigured themselves into flies and flew off the bones uh cleaned to flesh full of dents from the blade of a knife 30 stabs 40 stabs 50 the eye sockets were whittled there was no face to speak of and this was just a kid that's from rolling stone. It's fucking horrible. Um, but they did say that the eyes were not gouged out as part of any ceremony. They were just in a frenzy, stabbing him in the face and they happened to get his eyes.

That's all it was. Um, another kid said, uh, I was there when he threw the knife into the Harbor. Ricky did. I saw Albert and Ricky talking and Ricky said, what should I do with it?

And Albert said, throw it into the water. And then they went over and threw it in the water. I said Albert and Ricky talking and Ricky said, what should I do with it? And Albert said, throw it into the water. And then they went over and threw it in the water. I said, what was that? And Ricky said, oh, nothing. It was a rock man. And I didn't think anything more about it. One of the guys said, see that day, July 4th, they were out searching for the body and they found it. So they wanted to find out about who knew it. They knew Albert hung with Ricky and him. So they grabbed Albert first and they tried to find out and Albert wouldn it. They knew Albert hung with Ricky and him, so they grabbed Albert first. And they tried to find out, and Albert wouldn't tell them anything,

so that's when Albert came home. His lip was all cut. He had bruised ribs and a big bump on his head. I wonder what happened. Albert said, quote, The detectives were beating the shit out of me, man. See, I don't trust them, man. I don't trust no one anymore.

They picked me up at two and they were beating the shit out of me for like two and a half hours. They brought me down to this room and they started questioning me and shit and they were beating the shit out of me. They didn't tell me they were going for Ricky and Jimmy. They just, I don't know what to think.

My head screwed up ever since that night. It still screwed up, man. The next day they were going to let me go because Jimmy was coming in. He looked like he got away with it and shit, playing it cool. I told them everything, told the cops everything. Maybe Jimmy was probably thinking that I wasn't going to rat him out. So July 5th, Albert is taken down, like he said.

They end up finding, somebody calls near the North Point Yacht Club. They called the police to complain about a maroon pontiac parked across the street for too long cops checked inside and found ricky and jimmy sleeping inside the car oh that's sweet eight officers surrounded the car uh troriano in the front casso in the back neither of them had a blanket uh clothing strewn around inside the car they awakened them and told them they had to come in for questioning. Caso said, you've got nothing on us. What are you hassling us for?

Caso wearing his finest ACDC T-shirt when he's arrested. Jimmy Troiano placed in a special observation cell. Caso was not placed in there. Inmates were chanting at Caso, hang up, hang up, because he said he was going to hang himself. So they were like, fucking do it. Do it, assholes.

They started doing that. But they kept him in an unsupervised cell. Troiano, here, he gives up the full lot. First interview says nothing, and here is his second interview. He says he's been read his rights. He says he's got a burglary charge coming up he said quote on thursday july 5th 1984 during the morning hours i was taken by detectives to the homicide squad where i was told that a guy i know is gary lauer's body was found murdered in north port the detectives asked me a lot of questions

and i told them some answers but not everything not. Not that I wanted to lie to them, but since they hadn't asked certain questions, I didn't offer a lot of things. I made it look like I hadn't done too much during the killing of Gary, that Rick Casso had done most of it. When I finished telling those detectives the first story, I left there with Rodriguez and Amato, those are the detectives, and headed for Northport Village. It was during this time I realized that I should tell it all. That is how the murder of Gary Lowers went down. I knew that if I did this, I would end up feeling better. I took the police to the woods to show them where the fight had started on that night.

He says maybe June 16th, around 2 a.m. Before we got there, Rick, Albert and Gary had been at Dunkin Donuts and Albert had told me Rick wanted to beat up Gary who'd taken some angel dust Gary had taken from Rick. When we arrived at the woods Albert told me Rick was going to kill Gary.

I decided I didn't care because Gary should not have taken the dust belonging to Rick. In the woods Rick started a fire and Gary gave him some socks and then the sleeves of his jacket. Let's see here. Gary was on the ground saying he felt like he was going to be beat up or something. I saw Gary and Rick started to fight. All of a sudden, I heard Gary say, I love you, Mom.

When I looked, Gary was on his knees and Rick was stabbing him in the back. I was pretty high, but I'm sure it was around this time that I went to Gary's side, and as hard as I could, I kicked him in the rib area. I know I broke some ribs because I felt that side cave in. Gary managed to run from us, and we chased him into the woods. Rick and I dragged him back, and I believe during this time, we took turns cutting hair off Gary's head. I guess I cut about three pieces off.

Rick was holding Gary as I did this and Rick told Gary to repeat, I love you, Satan, which Gary did even though he was really hurting. I knew that Gary had to be killed or he would rat us all out if he lived. When I held him, Rick also cut some hair off and stabbed him some more.

I didn't see Albert Quinones do any of this. I guess he was just watching. I saw Ricky put Gary in a headlock, and Gary was saying something like, please don't kill me, please don't kill me. So Ricky stabbed him some more. Like I said, I was glad because Gary could not leave those woods alive. Ricky was saying some shit about Satan over Gary's body.

He's into things about Satan and the devil. I saw Gary lift his head slightly and Ricky went buggy and started stabbing Gary in the face. I don't have any idea how many times, but it was a lot. We, Ricky and me, dragged Gary into the woods and covered him with leaves and branches. Rick realized he'd lost some of his satanic star, which was on his chain. We couldn't find it in the dark about that time the three of us left the woods so yeah he does all that so um that's what he says basically they went and uh jesus christ man what a horrible way to kill somebody that is fucking

horrible it's torture so mark fisher their friend says quote my mom brings in the paper and they're on the front page she says see what your friends do you've had murderers sleeping over at our house that kid is fucked man he's gonna have a tough time uh one of their friends this young lady said it wasn't shocking it was disappointing i always felt like they had to prove something because everybody looked up to them they used to keep down they used to they had to keep going, keep doing things so people would think they were great. They'd wreck fences, rip down signs, beat people up. That's so people would think they were great. That's what they would do.

They stole a car, smashed it up. They got carried away. One guy said this, quote, Before the murder, I was known as a gravedigger. Totally separate guy. I did it to see bones, to see history. That's why people go to museums, isn't it? It's just something teenagers do. No, teenagers don't dig up graves normally.

That's not what teenagers do. But now people give me dirty looks everywhere I was because I'm known as a Satanist. That's different. Wow. Let's see. And let's hear from the peacenik girl. Quote, Rick just went sick with his knife knife i don't think they carved his eyes out rick just uh straight stayed stabbing him in the face when he found out he wasn't dead he probably just stabbed his eyes in jimmy's girlfriend

told me at the fireman's fair really i didn't believe him but when he told me about it he was laughing i feel like i have a disease so uh the cops immediately say it's satan satan satan satan satan yeah ritual the detective lead detective said they were chanting while they did this just before they killed him they forced him to say i love satan after that they killed him then they dragged him into the woods. This was a sacrificial killing. It's pure Satanism. Oh, dear Lord. Yeah, so that's obviously bullshit. So that's July 5th at night, he confesses. 2.17 a.m. July 7th.

So this is just a day later. Ricky Casso is found hanging in his cell. He used a bed sheet to make a noose and hung himself from the top of his cell. He did it. He did it while the inmates apparently chanted for him to do it more while he was doing it. They liked it. They thought he was an asshole too, I guess. I don't know. What a pretty dance.

Yup. He put it on his neck. The other put it on a bar on the top of his cell door and shimmied up the bars and let go. Pronounced dead at 2.17 a.m. So there was you know funeral and all that um his mother said we knew he was going to do something he always said he didn't

care how long he lived and he said if i ever go to jail i'll kill myself he told us i enjoy the fantasy world of drugs you can't stop me i love drugs remember that so yeah um they talked about they said he exhibited no undue stress and was treated like any other inmate and so they said that he may have told other people about shit but he didn't seem too pissed off about it they said he told a couple inmates that his name was mispronounced but other than that he didn't really wasn't didn't really care usually suicidal people aren't too much interested in how you pronounce their name, probably. If they're going to commit suicide in two minutes, they're not like, how'd you pronounce that?

So I don't know, though. Maybe I'm wrong about that. The corrections guard made twice hourly rounds to inspect the inmates. They said he appeared to be sleeping at 1230, but a half hour later, which they said it was too. So that's when they pronounced him dead. Right. Then he returned at one and found him hanging from the bed sheet by the upper bars of his cell. No note found. The spokesman for the jail said the officers performed CPR to no avail and pronounced dead at 217.

Teen Dust Heads 1 and 2 have something to say about this. Teen Dust Head 1 said it's funny that when ricky died it was raining lightning and thundering and then teen dust had two pops in and said my door all of a sudden slammed open and banged against the wall it was 2 a.m because indirectly we were the ones that got him started in this whole thing and it was just his way of coming to my house saying hey man look at this shit hey man look at this shit stop Hey, man, look at this shit. Stop doing drugs yesterday, boys. It's over for you.

Another friend said Ricky wanted to be the devil's second hand. He said he was going to chase Gary's soul and kill himself in jail. Everybody knew that. So it's like everyone knew he was chasing Gary's soul. Jesus, what are you, stupid? Basically, all of his friends said, oh, yeah, Ricky really won. really won he loved suicide he was all about suicide couldn't wait to commit suicide like fuck one guy here who's 33 years old who's not friends with him or anybody else says he he's a vietnam veteran this guy he says i honor casso i admire him why because he's honest he's another rug rat at someone's

house another one on the floor eking out an existence another wolf in a house of wolves all right okay charles manson calm down some kid rapped in a park about it in the 80s yeah um hey ricky you're so fine why don't you stab me one more time oh my hey ricky you're a nice guy why don't you stab me in the eye hey ricky you're so swell why are you hanging in your cell i don't think that's really a rap so much but that's fine um yeah uh this is fucking crazy here so god let's get the quote from king sardonic knights of the black circle that's his title I believe I have theories about when you die. I think it's about,

I think what I think it's what you think it's going to be. For me, it's going to be like this really classic playboy cartoon from the 1966 that had a group of people sitting around a pool. Girls and guys are driving, diving, I guess. And there's a guy all dressed up in a tuxedo has the horns on and all like

the devil. And he's saying, you didn't actually think hell would be all that bad did you something close to that so albert canyones is granted immunity from this because he's and will testify against the other against now he was fucked up talking to trees that's what i mean yeah but he also ricky told him he was going to kill him compared so who knows but it's spotty and they he's he seems to be the most innocent one that they could get a full you know picture from so um yeah once his word that once it leaks out that he's gonna do that he's gonna testify he said ricky and jimmy's friends hated him for ratting gary's friends

hated him for watching and not helping and suspected that he'd help. So no one liked him. Everyone hated him. Can you imagine? Yep. There's a big discrepancy over what day it is. They're saying, I saw Ricky this day, and we won't get into that now. It really doesn't fucking matter.

Now you could just see what day the kids posted pics from the woods on Instagram, and that's it. Done. It's this day. Done and done. Watch the video of the murder. It's Instagram, and that's it. Done. It's this day. Done and done. Watch the video of the murder. It's all there. That's it. The media freaks out, obviously.

Here's one, the Winnipeg Sun. Human sacrifice to Satan in giant fucking letters. It's big. Now, in court, Troiano tries to get his confession thrown out. He'd love to get that thrown out, obviously, where he described how he murdered someone heartlessly. They also wanted to get defense, wanted to get access to tape recorded interviews made by a reporter writing for Rolling Stone. We just told you about all those. April 1985, the trial comes up here.

OK, detective here, Luis Rodriguez. comes up here okay detective here lewis rodriguez he's reading from troiano's statement recounting other conversations with him um that he had about the whole thing um troiano admitting that he held him as he casso stabbed him and all that kind of shit more than 30 times in the face and chest he said when he tried to escape that troiano and casso tackled him in the brush and then casso then uh held lowers as troiano cut clumps of the hair off that's the statement that troiano gave but the attorney for troiano eric naberg says the statement taken by the cops here at an earlier uh and an earlier police statement were illegally obtained because both violated his right to counsel this lawyer cont contends that Rodriguez's interviews were conducted because the first police statement by Traoriano didn't implicate him in the crime. So they kept going back.

This lawyer says that he'll appeal if this guy allows this shit in. And the lawyer also said that Caso acted alone. The lawyer also said that Casso acted alone. Traoriano acknowledged taking several doses of a powerful hallucinogen a few hours before and confessed at the prompting of the police interrogators. That's the only reason why he did a Brendan Dassey. The confession, the lawyer said, was an attempt by Mr. Traoriano, who did not remember the night of the murder, to, quote, fill in gaps in his memory and explain to himself what happened it's very it's a lot of detail to fill in um they got a guy named philip quinn a former abuser of hallucinogenic drugs and director of topic house a drug rehabilitation center he testified that abusers are often unable to recall their actions under the influence of hallucinogens it It all happened.

He was this guy. He gets paid 500 bucks for coming here and saying this. Wow. He's a professional because he did drugs. I did a lot of drugs. Pay me money. I'll tell you what it's like. He said that chronic abusers were unable to distinguish fantasy from reality, and they would agree to virtually anything suggested by an authority figure.

So, yeah, he says uh obviously this is what happened so they also say that his confession was undermined by the only witness to the murder contradicting statements he gave to the police albert canone has testified he was positive he testifies in court albert that he was 100 positive that troiano had not held gary down or prevented his escape okay now troiano said he did but albert said i watched and he didn't so um that's they're going on don't believe what my client said he did he was fucked up believe the other fucked up kid who watched him this guy that's a defense capable of murder That guy was talking to trees. So trust him. Trust him. So this is a bit not a great defense. I don't think here. It doesn't sound terrible witnesses. Um, he also said in his testimony, uh, repeatedly while he testified, Chariano, that he repeatedly said he, uh, abused hallucinogenic drugs and has a bad memory. So the jury deliberates for 10 hours over three days.

Oh, it seems like a, seems like a little bit long, right? Yeah. Doesn't that sound like a little much to do that? That's a tough case too, because you're, you're the because his own lawyer can't even be like, look at his face. Does he look capable of murder? You go, fuck yeah, he does. Look at him. More than anyone else in this courtroom. I've never seen anyone more capable of murder.

So the verdict comes in. Not guilty. He's acquitted of fucking murder. He's acquitted. Oh, my God. Quinones has immunity. Caso's dead. Troiano acquitted. fucking murder he's oh my god quinones has immunity casso's dead troriano acquitted not one fucking person paid a drop for this fucking brutal brutal vicious fucking murder oh how crazy is that not guilty but there's there's a lining to it um he doesn't get to go

free though because several weeks before the murder he was arrested for breaking into that garage and stealing the checks and the leaf blower right so he was released without bail but now the judge imposes a ten thousand dollar bond which he's unable to post so on october 7th he has to plead guilty to possession of stolen property and a forged instrument and he is sentenced to you sir yeah may fuck off three and a half to seven years which is the most they can give him for it they're just this is in place so this is the oj sentence yeah uh he gets paroled february 15th 1991 uh but of course you think he's gonna stay out of trouble jimmy this kid's gonna fuck up for

the rest of his life oh yeah he's arrested 1993 for robbery, which is worse than burglary in Albany County and sentenced to two to four years in prison. Paroled September 13th, 1996. And then he was back in for a December 12th, 1996 parole violation. Finally discharged January 31 31st 1998 and i don't know what he's been doing for the last 24 years but my god that's the farthest we could get to him so that's fucking crazy that guy's out there man just wandering probably who knows um very present and participated in a murder right right? Allegedly. Yeah. I mean, technically not guilty, but I mean, use his own words of what he fucking said. He said he did.

We'll just say it that way. He said he did this. Right. So a couple changes at the park. Not as many teenagers there anymore. Yeah. No shit. All the cameras, the news cameras were showing the, you know, the graffiti around the gazebo and shit.

One said Satan with an eye. So it's satin. I like satin. It's very smooth. My favorite color. My favorite texture. This is the best. One said Gary Lowers 666.

So people were doing that kind of shit. One girl said it's kind of like everyone's afraid to be there it's spooky because Gary died there new graffiti on the gazebo walls one says Gary lives forever and on a phone booth someone scratched I love you Ricky so

that's what we get there also New York Newsday reporters Rex Smith and Thomas Mayer spent a long time reconstructing a lot of events and did a shitload of interviews that I used a little bit too so Rolling Stone and Newsday both huge stuff there and that is North Point New York and quite the fucking tale of teenage delinquency I would say to say the least to put a fucking dull point on it. Anti-John Hughes movie ever.

Fuck. The Breakfast Club could have taken a very dark turn. Let's just put it that way. That's fucking crazy. Yeah. So if you enjoyed that, let us know about it. Let the world know. Tell everybody.

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She just thinks it's hilarious. I don't know why. It's so funny. Heidi Bayer, James Wildey, Janice Hill, Heather Hayes is going through it. Hang in there, Heather. Jesus Christ. Don't let that shit beat you. Matthew Webster, Marcel Destin, Lucy Kimball is selling those Girl Scout cookies.

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Okay. Verse smells trying to get me to say her beaver smells. James, that's what that is. I'm not going to do it. I like when you catch them. You deal with it yourself. Are you happy?

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Allie all press and all of our patrons. You guys are fucking amazing. Thank you so much. Thank you, everybody. So much. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you so much.

Honestly, we love that you love the Patreon episodes so much. We get a lot of feedback on those and way more than you would think for the amount of people, because it's, you know, 5% of the people that listen to the show are on Patreon, and those people are as vocal as everybody else because they're so into the Patreon show. So thank you for that, and we love doing them, so thank you for everything you do. And, Jimmy, how can they find us out there? They do it every week.

They Google search, they Facebook, they Twitter, they Instagram. They go to shutupandgivememurder.com and they find the links to all of our social media and how you can get a hold of us. And you do it so frequently and so consistently that you keep track of birthdays and overwhelm us at birthdays. And I read every comment, every tweet, everything that you guys said. I read it all. It's impossible. Somehow this has grown so much that it's impossible to respond to all of it, except for right here. So thank you for giving a shit that I'm 41.

Yes, and watch out for your straggly teenagers. Make sure they don't stab each other in the face. That's all we can say. They're bad fucking kids, these kids. I'll tell you that right now that's it everybody until next week it's been our pleasure you Hey, Prime members, you can listen to Small Town Murder early and ad-free on Amazon Music. Download the Amazon Music app today.

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