Small Town Murder - #266 - Threesomes In The Heartland - McCook, Nebraska

Episode Date: March 10, 2022

This week, in McCook, Nebraska, a couple goes missing, with the family suspecting foul play, but they never suspect just how, or why any of this has happened. Turns out, jealously, anger, threesomes, throuples, and sexually explicit graffiti caused it. Also, it just shows how you can never tell what freaky & wild things are happening, behind closed doors, in what seem to be extremely normal & square households. And what untold horrors can happen there, including some of the most hideous body disposal, ever!A twisted tale, where no one seems to do whatever the normal thing to do is!! Along the way, we find out that sometimes people who have nothing to do with anything get murdered, that female body parts may  more buoyant than male body parts, and that throuples are just as unhappy as any couple!! Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman New episodes every Thursday! Donate at: patreon.com/crimeinsports or go to paypal.com & use our email: [e-mail] Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder & Crime In Sports! Follow us on...twitter.com/@murdersmallfacebook.com/smalltownpodinstagram.com/smalltownmurder Also, check out James & Jimmie's other show, Crime In Sports! On iTunes, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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it's a comedy show we're comedians uh that takes nothing away from the realness of the story the story is one nothing's made up for comedic purposes. We never say, like, wouldn't it be cool if this happened? And then tell you that. That would never a thing we don't do. That's all real, unfortunately. But there's jokes to be made. That's the thing. Is there terrible murder?

Yes, there's terrible murder. But is there jokes? Yes. It's not about the murder part. That's not what you joke about. You joke about someone thinking they can get away with it. You joke about a police force that maybe bumbled and talked to the murderer 10 times and didn't think that he was the killer. Something of that nature.

There's a lot of stupid around a murder. Put it that way. But what we don't do, we go out of our way not to do, is we never make fun of the victims or the victims' families. Why, James? Because we're assholes. But? But we're not scumbags, Jimmy. That's how it works. So if that sounds good to you, we're assholes. But? But we're not scumbags, Jimmy. That's how it works.

So if that sounds good to you, we're going to have a great time. If you think true crime and comedy should never, ever, never, ever cross paths at all, maybe we're not for you, but we might be, honestly. You don't know? You don't know. You're like Nellie. Take a ride with me. Either way, no goddamn complaining afterwards.

That's all it said. So that said, Jimmy, I think it's time to sit back. Let's clear the lungs a little bit. Let's shout. Shut up. Give me murder. Let's do this, Jimmy. Let's go.

Let's go on a trip. We're coming from the Appalachians last week. We're coming from some jug band. You know, basically, when I was trying to look for pictures of the people in the case i was like why don't i just post the country bear jamboree because i feel like that's everyone involved in this case it's just a that was a there wasn't a shoe in that entire story i feel like no one it was all the characters at the end of splash mountain that are singing that's it those people on the riverboat uh in in overalls overalls and shoeless so yeah that's it this week we're going to go to nebraska and over to the midwest here kind of right in the center of the country

we're going to go to mccook nebraska okay ever heard of mccook jimmy that's the town that's the town mccook not yeah oh exciting the exciting town of mcc. It's in southwestern Nebraska, where all the parties happen, I guess. That's where you get down. It's four hours and 20 minutes to Omaha. So really far from the other side of the state. About an hour and a half over to Sutherland, Nebraska, which is our last Nebraska episode. Episode 194. Holy shit.

Yeah, a real-life Halloween monster. It was a Halloween episode 194 holy yeah a real life halloween monster it was a halloween episode of somebody being a monster and uh that was a long time ago so glad to be back in nebraska here i don't think anyone else has ever said that but we just have so there you go it's in red willow county sounds lovely red willow county code 308. It has a lot of mottos. They've developed over the years. They've had, I think there's like five, six mottos. The change in them every year? Listen to this.

Okay. It started out as the capital of the Buffalo Commons. I don't know what the hell that's all about. The Buffalo Commons. The Buffalo Commons. Then they started in the early days their their slogan was quote the magic city that was humorous even for them where they're like this is people are taking this as a joke they're like they're saying we're we have a good sense of humor here then they switch it from

the magic city to the okay city you guys are right more realistic down it's okay it was the not bad city they're like that's wordy let's let's shorten it up okay all right okay the okay city the okay city which is amazing uh then in the 1960s they changed it to it's all here. And then people were like, nothing's here. We've got to change that. And then in the 1970s, it was McCook, the American Experience. And then it was Nebraska's Hotspot. Every decade, they change it. I found one that's their current one now.

It's, quote, if anyone has any ideas for town slogans, please call Mayor Johnson at 617 dot dot dot. Yeah. That's their new slogan. Anyone with an idea will take it. We've run out of ideas. We've tried them all is the thing. Being honest, we ran out of ideas at the OK City. But you guys wanted more.

It's like a football team that's on their 12th quarterback by you know week 16 you're like uh i think you might have bigger problems it's the oh and 16 lion yeah yeah we looked that up that was hilarious it's like seven quarterbacks that's not a good sign usually it's a bad sign for football so history of this town uh it was platted in 1882 when railroad extended to this point that's the only reason why it's here for railroad like a lot of these western towns it was named i still want to know what the fuck a buffalo commons is i think there was buffalo there is what it was i know there was a lot of buffalo in nebraska so what's a commons isn't that probably like shopping i think it's like commons would be like maybe like an area where people mingle you know like the common

like in a town square kind of a thing like the town square for buffalo is what i you know buffalo central bitches i believe that's their next slogan well then it would be a fucking corral buffalo common bitches i think is their next one. Okay. So it was named this town in honor of Alexander McDowell McCook. He has two Mcs in his name. Sure in the fuck did. The most Irish man ever.

Yeah. That'd be like if my parents named me what they originally thought of after my two grandfathers, which would have been Gaetano Biagio Petragallo, which would have been a been a i don't know it's a lot of o's at the end of every word that's a lot i'd have had to do some work with that that's a lot i'd have had to come up with a different identity i feel like just go by guy as like share just one word guy you have to carry a tiny monkey in an organ grinder with you if you if your name is Gaetano Biagio Petrogallo. You either go by Guy or you do fucking all of it. It's all or nothing.

How you doing? I'm Ted. Gaetano Biagio Petrogallo. Nice to meet you. Can I call you something shorter? Fucking no. You gotta say them all. I earned this.

I'm telling you, that would have been bad for me. You shouldn't even be allowed to speak English if that's your name. Is that like four syllables of work? I'm going to tug it with an accent. Every time I go, can I please? So anyway, McCook here was a brigadier general in the Union Army during the Civil War. So he gets this place named after him congratulations there you go so it uh red willow county formed in 1873 it's named for the red

willow creek which is of course a mistranslation of dakota indian name uh here which actually translated to red dogwood creek but they mistranslated it, and here we are in 2022, and it's still Red Willow. It's a different tree. What are you going to do? There you go. There's red dogwood shrubs all along the creek banks, that's why. They favored these

particular trees for basket making. Here's some reviews of the town. Four stars. By the way, that's the Sahara Desert Fart reviews of the town four stars by the way that's the sahara desert fart fact of the week uh basket making they favored red dogwood shrubs to make baskets everyone in the event that you're a basket weaver use those evidently the natives loved them they're the best everyone so reviews of this town here's a four-star review they like it four stars is good i enjoy mccook because it's very cozy it's a very cozy small town and it's great for families

i am happy to have been raised in this town and i've had a great experience this person dying so i'll be gone soon but this town will remain uh the only real, quote, problems, in quotes, are the ones that come with every small town. There may not be a lot of diversity in the community, and that can be a downside. But at the same time, a lot bigger cities don't have the same sense of community that Cook does with its small size. There you go. So whoever this person is, they're defending this place vehemently. I'm going to say all those things Defending it. Defending their turn. I'm going to say all those things about my dick.

Yeah, you could. We could all say that about our genitalia. So here's two stars. Quote, for one, McCook is the most boring town in all of America. All right. Here we go. The whole continent, I think he's talking about. North, south, Mexico, Canada.

Do not come to McCccook nebraska if you're young there is absolutely nothing to do but go shopping at walmart the and it's in quotes movie theater i don't know if that's if it's like a field with folding chairs in it and like some guy put like some guy some guy put a sheet up on the wall and projects movies in it. He says, only plays three movies. Every newly released movie comes out three weeks later in McCook. Oh, it takes that long to get to the middle of the country. Oh, no. So while your friends are all seeing the new movie on its release date and loving it, you'll be waiting years to see it.

Or three weeks in one of the two. There aren't much good food spots. Fuller's's is okay has a lot of druggies oh okay all there really is is mcdonald's subways and arby's runza is disgusting and they always have flies inside jesus if i could change one thing it'd be coming to this town in general that's a sullen teenager wrote that shit fuck my parents i don't dad assholes i don't care how good a job it is dad i don't want to fucking live there i have friends walmart the walmart more of it uh one star here we go the people are backwards racist abusive and generally uneducated every by the way whenever i read this we to say, this isn't us saying this.

We've never been here. This is a review of the town from a person we've never met and don't know who they are. It's your neighbor. If you're there and you're pissed about this, talk to the people. Yeah, don't tweet us. Take it to your town meeting. Don't tweet us and yell at us for it because we've had that before. We're like, hey, these aren't our reviews.

We're just reading what people said. Every time I take a trip to Walmart, I'm met with a Confederate flag. Half the residents own large dogs that they leave outside at all hours of the day through winter. So if you take a walk through town, there's constant loud barking. Jesus, this place sounds like post-apocalypse. Almost everybody drives a lifted truck, and a sizable portion of the trucks have their mufflers removed. So you're forced to listen to revving truck engines 24 7 just revving engines and barking dogs that's his whole time that's a new motto for them who who removes the muffler i don't i don't think this

person knows much about cars because i think it's just i think it's just straight pipes it's exhaust yeah yeah during the day the muffler noise is so loud that it's difficult to work from home i complained to the police about both issues and they were very rude to me both times Yeah. Yeah. During the day, the muffler noise is so loud that it's difficult to work from home. I complained to the police about both issues and they were very rude to me both times. Well, yeah, they're like, we want us to do what are you talking about? Several people I know were only able to get menial jobs after they deleted their college credentials from their resumes. Yeah. If you if you try to get a job at Subway and you have a master's degree, they tend to not want to hire you because they don't think you're going to be there very long yeah your problem is never heard of overqualified that there's a reason sometimes those people don't get hired because they got too much because they're going to be

looking for another job they're not going to be satisfied with that i'm going to hire somebody else soon the town is disgusting the people are disgusting and it's dying for a reason if you want a very want a good idea of what the people are like, watch the 2003 movie Dogville. I've never seen that, but that's what it sounds like a good name for this town is. There's barking dogs. Barking dogs and trucks. People here, population 7,500, 7,499. It's a decent amount of people.

More females than males. It's about average, though. It's not too bad, far off. Median age is about normal, 36.6. That's pretty normal. A lot of kids, a lot of old people. 75 to 84, a shitload of those and a lot of kids. That happens a lot in these towns, too.

It's so strange. Old people having babies, it must be. That's all it could be. Just hanging on to that single lifestyle. Hanging on. Race of this town, 91.5% white, 0.3% black. A lot of black people there. 0.4% Asian and 6% Hispanic.

So it's a pretty white. It's a Nebraska small town. I don't know what you're expecting here. Religion here, 77.1% of the people here are religious. Wow. That is obscenely high. That's almost a record, I feel like. 77?

And the odd thing is 34% are Catholic, which makes, I don't know how they got, there just must have been one really good Catholic missionary in this town that just fucking got everybody on board right from the start. That's all I could think of. It's very strange. There's a rock star father. They're like, his message is just better. We just go there because it's better. Catholics are the Baptists of the wheat belt?

I don't know. I'm not sure here. What was the movie with Steve Martin? That was just regular-ass Baptist shit, huh? It wasn't Catholicism. 0.0% Jewish, though, not at all here. Politics of this town. In Red Willow County, last election

14.8% of people voted Democratic. 82.7% Republican, and 2.4% Independent here. Let's see. Unemployment rate in this town. This is one of these places where unemployment rate's very low. It's only 2% here, which the rest of the country, it's like 3%. So it's not really any different, but the median household income is also really

low. Median household income here, $40,372. It's normally about 58 000 so that's that's low 40 percent of the people make under 30 000 a year here as well what are they doing for work to me it's it's it's a lot of everything it's a mishmash the jobs are actually average and whatever but it's yeah they just don't pay a lot here it just doesn't. And the cost of living isn't a lot. Out of 100, the cost of living here is 77.9. So not that high. Housing, a 44 out of 100. Median home cost, 124,900 bucks. Wow.

Pretty low. So if we've convinced you, damn it, you need to check out the wheat belt. We have for you the McCook, Nebraska Real Estate Report. All right. Your average rental here goes for about $620 a month. They're two-bedroom rental. Very cheap. Very cheap.

Less than half the national average. A three-bedroom, one-bath house here. It's 1,092 square feet. It is plain. It is beige, yellow. I don't even know what color it is. It's faded yellow, if that makes sense. We smoke a lot and blow it on the walls outside.

On the outside of the house. Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. Even the lawn is beige. Like, it's dead and just beige. It's almost the same color as the house. Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. Even the lawn is beige. Like it's dead and just beige. It's almost the same color as the house. It's just a beige mess. Can you paint my house dead grass yellow? Dead grass yellow.

I want it to match the dead grass from the front of the house. I want people to just see like one wave of dead grass yellow. We could do that. I don't like the contrast. It looks like it was painted in the 70s and it's just been fading ever since it uh let's just say on the inside let's just say it could use some new carpets and leave it at that let's not get too into the dna and the the disgustingness of it it's got like uh you know how in like the desert there's like um like like little grooves and where

the wind blows sand pot that's what the carpet looks like there's like weird it's like little grooves where the wind blows sandpots. That's what the carpet looks like. There's like weird. What? It's like outside of Beetlejuice. What was flowing inside the house? I don't know, man, but something, and I don't want to find out. I've had a three-bedroom, one-bath, 1,376 square feet.

It's a weird teal, got some weird teal accents on it that aren't that great not good from the outside inside looks nice though oh not bad like there's some you know nice like wood floors and the trim is nice it's some it's actually not a bad place if you updated a few things 115 000 bucks for that well all right yeah you could put a little cash in and went then if there's this thing i don't even know what the hell to call this. It's a multi-family home it's listed as. Eight bedroom, four bath, 8,000

square feet. It's a shithole. I'm not going to lie to you. It's a giant one. It's huge. It looks like two really nasty, ugly raised ranches. Two of the yellow dead grass house. Yeah. If you put those together and attached them with like a, it looks like a U, like make

a wraparound thing. And it's, it's not good, man. It's bad stuff. Half circle house. Half circle house, 325 grand for this thing. For 8,000 square feet. 8,000 square feet of Nebraska. I kind of want it.

You kind of want, I don't know if anyone if you could rent it out it might be a good investment i don't know what you can do with it but it's a big place i feel like it's gonna cost you a lot to renovate a place it's 8 000 square feet though the things to do here my god the red willow county fair baby let's get into it oh they say this is right from their website here a variety of equine events. Horses. 30,000 to 40,000 horse lovers to the Kiplinger Arena at the Red Willow County Fairgrounds each year. July in McCook means it's Red Willow County Fair time.

We all know that. Who doesn't know that? It says the fair is the sort that everyone seems to think of when they think of old cash fashion county fairs the smell of corn dogs and popcorn floating in the air livestock bawling from the show ring wide smiled children proudly clutching purple ribbons and carnival lights writing up lighting up the night sky wow they're really selling this shit uh there's all of that and much more at the Red Willow County Fair. And more. And more. Let's go over some lineup and just see what more they're talking about, shall we?

There's open and enter open class exhibits. I think that's just to look at your animals here. The greater carnival, the more greater show carnival. More greater. The Coyote Country Music Showdown is happening. is happening oh boy and you know it's good because it's free admission so when a bunch of bands are playing for free you know it's good you know it's good and that happens all the best festivals are free they're all free yeah thursday uh the day here little red tractor pull goes on that's a band? No, no.

That's an event that happens. The Little Red Tractor Pull. I guess Little Red Tractor's bullshit. The Demolition Derby starts up the next day. That sounds like fun here. What else we got? Oh, the James Lee Band. Oh, boy. Oh, boy. He's there at 9.30 at night. And then

the headliner, Shenandoah. Oh! Is that sarcastic? the headliner, Shenandoah. Oh! Is that sarcastic? How did they get Shenandoah to play this? How did they get the James Lee band there? I don't know what you're... Do you really know who that is? Yes, Shenandoah is an actual band.

That's a decent band. It costs $20 to see them, so they're actually charging to see Shenandoah. There you go. I thought you were joking. I was like, was like oh yeah and the James Lee band too wow what a fucking revelation everybody what a get then I'm gonna skip

right to Sunday 1030am the Cowboy Church Sunday Fun Day okay if you said you could go to the cowboy church sunday fun day or i'm gonna impale your forehead with this giant spike i would fucking make an x with a sharpie right on my forehead and said right fucking here make sure you do it right the first time let's get it over with yeah holy shit and then finally cowboy church sunday fun day what is that they don't have details it's just just that's it doesn't

need details put on your hat and tell everybody you love jesus get the fuck on over here buddy what else do you need to know belt buckle jesus what's the problem? Barbecue? I don't know. What are we going to do? It's Sunday, so you guessed it. Fun day. It's fun day. And then finally, mutton busting to round out the event. We're going to bust some mutton here. You know, the mutton's always selling shit on the corner.

Get them out there. Get them out there. And then quickly, I'm not going to talk about it, but the Prairie Chicken Dance Tour is also there, which is actually prairie chickens. And people watch the prairie chickens, quote, jousting with one another to win over the hens. That's called a cockfight. That's a cockfight. And it says, quote, have your cameras at the ready so you can watch chickens. Here's a picture from when we went to Nebraska and this one chicken killed another chicken.

I took a picture of it there. What the fuck pictures do you need of this to give to the police afterwards? I remember the bloodbath, but it's a damn good thing. I got the picture of it because they told me on my camera. I did. I just want to remind you, we once watched a chicken bloodbath. There you go. We paid for it and brought the kids.

This is a family event, for fuck's sake. Come on down, watch the chicken murder. Afterwards, free chicken wings for everybody. Afterwards, we're going to eat the loser. We're going to fry them right up. Got to fry them right up. It's going to be fresh. Real fresh.

Holy Christ. Crime rate in this town, what we're interested in, property crime is actually above the national average. It's about 20% high. Yeah, what the fuck are these people doing in this town? I mean, James, they watch chicken fights. They're vicious people. I was going to say the moral compass is skewed by all the chicken violence they've had. They've been forced to take.

They've been watching it, and they see see it and they get a blood lust for it i don't know but i suggest a little more cowboy church a little less chicken murder a little less chicken murder now violent crime murder rape robbery and of course assault the mountain rushmore of crime is is under half the national average it's not even half the national average. So it's a pretty safe place. That is until 1973. What happened? When we have to talk about a murder that took place there. Let's talk about a murder.

Okay. Okay. Because this is just, wow, a lot of crazy here. So let's start out with Monday, September 24th, 1973. Okay. Oh, 1973. Okay. Oh, baby. Think about that day. The end of summer, fall coming on.

You could still buy a cool American car then. You know what I mean? Because it wasn't going to be for a while. No. For another 20 years. It's almost over. Yeah. And the memories of the most recent town square chicken murders are fresh in your head in September.

It's all fresh in your head. Yeah. You're hanging out at the Buffalo Common, thinking about the chicken murders, thinking about the old McCook chicken murders from 72. And it was a particularly bloody year in 72 on the chicken circuit. Very bloody year, but great for photographers. You know, amateur photographers getting it out there. Right now you're just getting the pictures back from the photo mat of the blood man. Just getting them.

Now it took a while. It takes a long time. I wonder where the chicken started. Everything takes three weeks to get to Nebraska. They start chicken fighting other places. they're just getting there now so uh 1973 here on september 24th there's a woman named k hein she's 30 h-e-i-n she's 30 years old and she can't get a hold of her parents she's trying to get ahold of her parents. She's trying to get ahold of her parents. Where the hell are my parents here? Uh, she's looking for Edwin and Wilma Hoyt is who they're looking for.

And I'm going to show you a picture of Edwin and Wilma. Um, Edwin is 56. Wilma is 57. And much like for some reason, I don't know what it was like in the nineties. Our, like our DNA all changed to where like 60 year old people didn't look like they were 80 anymore

you know what i mean like it's everything switched and changed because back in the 70s if you were 56 years old people called you grandpa and you look like an old man and you know it was like you're retiring soon now 56 is like i'm i'm going to college i'm looking for a new career like it's a completely let me show you these people 50 58 year olds now have like viral tiktok pages and they're like getting paid for for their workout fucking regiment yeah that's what i mean keanu reeves is like 56 years old you know what i mean like people are and look okay roll your chair over jimmy i'm gonna give you a reveal here here come over next to me here check out these folks boy oh boy how old do they look 78 years old 78 years old they look they look 100 years old these people but they're 56 years old and 57 years old how crazy is that dude that is shocking it, yeah. It's not what 56-year-old people look like now.

It's crazy. So anyway, that's who they're looking for is Edwin and Wilma Hoyt, which is – you can see them. They live in McCook, Nebraska. You saw them. I would say the thing that comes to mind is square, like crisp edges on the square too. I would call them reliable reliable oh my god they look if he says he's gonna come help you like dig a trench he's gonna be there 20 minutes early probably crack a dawn with his own shovel watch to what the fuck they're doing every fucking day so that's when when kay hein uh attempts to call her parents on September 24th, 1973, several times and gets no answer.

She starts to be like, where the hell are my parents? You know where they are at all times. They're just those kind of people. So she calls one of their neighbors. That's how concerned she is. A guy named Jerry Myers. He's one of the neighbors. She said, hey, you want to mind going next door to my parents' farm here?

Because they live on a farm. Go next door to the farm and check and see if they're out doing some shit on the farm and missing my calls. Because I've been calling all the times when they take breaks at lunchtime. No one's doing anything. So Jerry Myers says no one's home. Went over there. Their car's gone. House is locked up. No one's there. Went over there. Their car's gone. House is locked up.

No one's there. She said the bedroom window was open, but no one's in the house. No one knocked. It just looks quiet. I guess it had rained an inch and a half earlier there, and you couldn't really get in to the house because of the – or you could get in, but it rained a lot and it's a dirt driveway okay so yeah yeah if a car had come or gone you'd be able to see the mud tracks that too yeah very easy so they haven't been there that that day um that was early in the

morning all the rain came so their car hasn't left since then clearly so uh no car tracks there so k calls her sister donna, says, hey, you know, what the hell here, Donna? What do you got? I can't find mom or dad. What do you think? So they, okay, let's, you call your mom a few times, right? You call her a few times. She doesn't answer. You call her neighbor, which I wouldn't obviously do, but let's say you know the neighbor. You call the neighbor and you go, hey, do, but let's say you know the neighbor. Yeah. You call the neighbor and you go, hey, go check on my mom. And the neighbor comes back and goes, yeah, her car's not here and her house is all locked up.

She's not home. What do you do at that point? Nothing, right? I guess I'll see her hair when she gets back. Guess I'll talk to her later then, right? Yeah. Wherever she's at. It's 73. Doing something, yeah.

No, she's not home. You would just go, oh, wait, probably. Let's have a wait and see approach. All right. Instead, she talks to Donna, who Donna is learning to get her pilot's license. So they go with Donna and Donna's flight instructor and fly over the farm to see if the car is out in one of the pastures or not that seems like an extreme like reaction to can't get a hold of mom for a couple hours let's get in a plane and go that's some like search and recovery shit there faster just to go walk that

like you got to go to the airport get clearance from the, get up in the air. I guess to be able to see behind stuff, I guess aerial way is the best way to do it. So they fly over. Nothing there. Couldn't find it. After the flight, Donna and Kay went and the two of them drove over to the farm together. Well, we couldn't find them that way.

So Kay knows where there's a hidden key. You know, they got a key for emergencies. So they get a key for emergencies so they get the key they go in they inspect the house check it out they find a pan where the they know that they had ham the night before

and we'll tell you why later so they found a pan that the ham ham had been cooked in the night before for Sunday dinner it was soaking in the sink yeah like you do if you have meat and stuff in it that the ham had been cooked in the night before for Sunday dinner. It was soaking in the sink. Yeah. Like you do if you have meat and stuff in it. So it's soaking in the sink.

There's $10 in cash on top of the television set. So, you know, two plates with cantaloupe rinds on them are in the living room. Gross. So it looks like they were just beamed up from aliens, you know, but their car is gone too. Otherwise, it just looks like the still life of what they were just beamed up from aliens, you know, unless they're but their car is gone, too. Otherwise, it's like just looks like the still life of what they were doing. It's all a lighthearted nightmare on our podcast. Morbid.

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God, I can't wait for that. Can you imagine how organized you remember we said square and reliable they lay out their pajamas on their pillows so when they go to bed they can just just yeah just put them on and their beauty and their bed was made perfectly hadn't been slept in oh christ pj sitting on top of the pillow like there's something like hotel made it came in and did it they hotel made themselves they take care of themselves like a homemade like a hotel would it's awesome they restock their own mini bars it's wild they fold their toilet paper into origami and shit that's sweet yeah i like that i also like when i come in to have

my toilet taped shut in the morning when i get there thanks honey thanks for taping my toilet shut i appreciate that let me know it's clean that way thanks for letting me know it's sanitary jesus christ so their beds hadn't been slept in but they don't know if you know what the hell the deal is the only signs of anything were um of anything were the tracks of the next door neighbor in the yard when they told him to go over there and look at the house. So it's nothing from the parents, anything. So they said that they could not find the mother's purse or the father's billfold where he keeps his money, which makes sense if they're not home. Right. They've got them with them.

Their car's gone. They're not here. And mom's purse and dad's money is gone too. Wow. If only we could crack this mystery. Well, perhaps they're not home. I'm still thinking maybe they're not home. But they have other

reason to believe they have reason to believe otherwise here but uh so they uh also found um wilma's arthritis medicine in its usual place as well so they're like okay so they didn't go anywhere for a long time right they didn't leave for a week yeah she's going to take that with her so donna her sister k sister says that Kay was very nervous throughout the entire search and kept repeating that, oh, my God, I just know something awful's happened to them. I just know something awful's happened to them over and over and over again. Obviously, you think that because you're getting a plane as soon as that you can't get a hold of them. You must think that something awful's happened. You are certainly the

one that yeah you're the one that sees the worst in everything that's the fucking thing um she also asked donna to look under the beds look in the barn look in the shop look everywhere that nobody would look look over under look you know in the where they store the wheat look everywhere they could be anywhere so So she's very, very concerned. Let's talk about who these people are that are missing here. Edwin and Wilma Hoyt. And by the way,

reading their description, everything, you have no idea what you're in for, for the rest of this fucking show. This has what they come, where they come in and how this whole thing happens is such a crazy ordeal that you're like, well, your mind's going to be blown by the end of this goddamn show.

I'm telling you. Great. So anyway, Edwin was born near Culbertson, which is southwest of McCook, in 1918 he's born. January 1918. He attended high school in McCook, graduated in 35. He was an all-conference guard on the McCook High high football team no kidding he's a real sturdy guy he's uh known as like a real kind of a strong sturdy farm guy i mean in nebraska they call them corn fed james that's he's a corn fed yeah football playing fucking farm guy he was yeah so he's all conference there. He had, he's a shorter guy, but very powerful, one of those guys.

So after he graduated, he attended the Barnes Business College in Denver, went over there for a year, but then returned to the farm with his father near Culbertson and continued farming kind of on and off. It'll be like a part-time thing for the rest of his life. He's got a farm, but he always has other businesses he's working on here. His bankers called him a hardworking but not particularly capable farmer. So not real good at farming, but he'll sure give it his all. Sure tries hard. Yep.

He worked for a while for his son-in-law, who is Donna's husband, worked for him for a while. He had a fuel and fertilizer business, which is just east of McCook. And he is employed in 1973 by the Vols Plumbing Company in McCook. that he looks like someone's great-grandfather. He's still working for a plumbing company. He had no formal training as a plumber and was not licensed as a plumber, but he knew how to do it because he did it all over the place. He was just kind of a self-taught plumber. So he began as a plumber's assistant,

and then they started giving him projects on his own, even though his work had to be inspected by the actual licensed plumbers. But they still did it. And everybody said, super nice guy, reliable, Jimmy, like you said. Square, reliable. You give him a job, he's going to be there on time, get the job done as prescribed, and clean up when he's done with it.

So he's that kind of guy. People say he has a temper, but he keeps it in check, everyone says, too. He's not like any kind of, not rocking around yelling at people and shit. He has two brothers. One is an Air Force colonel in California, and one was a farmer as well. So there you go, and he also has a sister there. Now, Edwin, very social. Yeah.

Sociable kind of guy. Likes to go out, do things, has a lot of friends, has a lot of opinions as well. He's outspoken on shit. He'll tell you things, but doesn't discuss his personal life a whole lot. He's a master mason and a member of the York Rite Bodies, so he's in social clubs. Okay. He's a freemason.

Yeah, he has multiple places where he can go and drink with other guys while wearing a stupid hat. That's what he does. He puts on stupid hats and drinks with other old men a lot. Yeah. So that's how that goes. And a belt full of carpentry tools that always wilma begins uh her career at the telephone company in culbertson and later on she's working

at the in 1973 she's working at the degroff's department store in mccook as a salesperson so these are hard-working people um they got. They farmed near Culbertson. And then they bought and remodeled an old two-story house in Culbertson. And they lived in town during the school year. And in the summer, they would go back to the farm and do the farm shit with the kids when they got off school. So that's kind of an interesting life. They have, like, live in town and then totally removed in the summer. They have five kids.

They all graduated from high school. Yeah. And once they graduated, they sold the farm and moved back to a family farm near Culbertson. And that's where they're living in 1973, near Culbertson. But they're McCook kind of born and bred though they have five kids roger donna uh k stanley and herbert okay three boys two girls three boys two girls um but wilma and edwin like i said they both like the social gatherings they like to be they like to be you know around people in yeah in the mix they like they're not they don't want to

sit in rocking chairs they they're not as old as they look in that picture put it that way they like to do shit they like to go uh they like to go out and play pinochle a lot with their friends real into pinochle this is how i look not how i feel yeah i look terrible not terrible but i look i look older than i feel is what it is is what they're saying here so it's good like the opposite of us kind of people say that you look good for your age i feel terrible though is that normal is that or is that like a do i get me back for not having gray hair i fucking feel awful that works i've got ingrown toenails on every toe stop i hurt my body's clearly turning it feels like but then i go get my then i go to

a doctor and they're like no your toes are fine i'm like no these hurts there's got to be ingrown something they're like no you're fine go home you're just old and your your toenails are given that's what that is they're giving way on you feels like they're cutting no everything's fine you're good dude so these two they like to go to pinochle parties that's what they're really into on the weekends they go to pinochle parties they took the kids along when they were young you know how that went all the kids in the basement all the adults upstairs playing pinochle somebody yeah people got their first hand jobs at those pinochle parties

in those basements you know it you know it happened you just know it um oh it's a it's pinochle weekend kids splashing cologne on he's like 12 hey we're going to do some pinochle herbert why are you so excited to go to pinochle you're going to the basement oh i know uh so uh edwin and wilma uh also big fishermen they didn't they didn't hunt a lot like edwin had like an old rifle and a shotgun and he's a farmer i mean you never know what's going to come up, animals or whatever. So he had that, but he's not much of a hunter, more of a fisher and fisherman. They're big grandparents, too. Big into being grandparents.

They love it. They would, their daughter Kay, when she's doing stuff in a way, they take her kids in and watch them all the time. And then even, this is what they would do. On Christmas morning, we're talking 5 a.m., and watch them all the time and then even on this is what they would do on christmas morning we're talking 5 a.m they would drive over to you know another town and wait outside donna's house until their lights went on so then they could come over and watch the kids open presents wow that's and they like that was expected like soon as we get up mom and dad are going to be at the door there they are like doing so much that's really dedicated grandparenting like these people

are square and nice and you know these are the grandparents you want right can't wait to see those kiddies open up those presents like oh man what a good grandpa and grandma as a kid yeah that's awesome uh as the i call your donna and yeah i call my mom around christmas and just say merry christmas she's like yeah tell the kids i said hi yeah for donna and uh owen here they're they gotta be sitting there being like don't turn the lights on yet kids kids keep the fucking lights off keep kids whoever touches that light's getting their fingers broken all of them i swear to god you will open your gifts last with broken hands with broken fingers and i will not take you you're

not going to go to the hospital today it's christmas i'm sorry we're not doing it you're not ruining my ham that i'm making my toenails hurt my toenails hurt do you understand that you ungrateful little shit i'll tell santa okay he'll come back and take all this shit back you ever had that threatened that he'd santa's gonna take it all back i've had that threatened too and i remember as being like seven going no he's not he's not coming back i was like he's done for the year that's it what does he got all these return waters he's got to do the next day imagine that how many returns would he have to go collect the next day how ungrateful would we seem saying fucking take this back like put it in a closet for later I'm not taking it back if the trash man misses our trash can he won't even come back don't tell me Santa's

coming back Santa's not coming back to collect undeserved gifts that's not gonna be a thing no so that's the kind of grandparents they are so anyway they eventually hear Donna and Kay go to the police because they don't know what else to do so they notify the state patrol and the Red Willow County Sheriff's Office that they're you know Edwin and Wilma are missing. Edwin and Wilma Hoyt, please find them. They replied that there's no evidence that there's any kind of crime. These are two adults that left in a car seemingly voluntarily. Their purses are not like the purses at the house and all that.

This is kind of people leaving is out of our jurisdiction. We can't we can't investigate where people are what you know you can invoke well how come the store doesn't have boo berry this halloween like you can't what are we going to investigate that i don't know that sounds like a civic matter or civil matter to me not more civic or civic one of the two the the the house has no signs of anybody hurt. No. The doors were locked. Snug. There's not blood on the walls or anything. What are we supposed to do about it?

There's honeydew here. Leave us alone. Yeah. I mean, they left a mess, though. Okay. Well, so they're messy. Do you want us to write them a citation for that? Clean up your honeydew?

What the fuck are we talking about? They left and they're full. That's what we know about them right now. We know they're full of ham and cantaloupe. They're having a good're full. That's what we know about them right now. We know they're full of ham and cantaloupe. They're having a good day. They're smiling. So the McCook Patrol Office notified the sheriff of Hickok County, where Culbertson is there, because that's where their farm is. And the sheriff went out to the farm and looked around and nothing suspicious again. They said, well, you know, nothing in your information sounds suspicious.

We'll go look at it nothing suspicious after looking at it so never mind so um uh on september 26th now this is three days or two days later owen elmer and larry hoyt flew over the area again a lot of plane sons of bitches right they got a lot of access to private aircraft here. It's wild. We're looking for the car. At the same time, there's a search on the ground by Kay and Donna looking all over, talking to neighbors, trying to get any information they can. Turning up no anything. That's it.

The family then notifies the Kansas and Colorado State patrols and contacted local radio and tv outlets and spreads that they're missing find them information so yeah if you're like a television news editor you have to sit here and go do we know like they could have just went on vacation and not told their kids because they're annoyed with them like what are we fucking how do you broadcast that but nowadays there would be a silver alert they would call it and although i don't even think 57 is old enough for that can you call it might not be can you do a like can someone call silver alert in on me if i'm they can't find me there's gotta be you know my early 40s like 43 and they're like fucking i would be furious. I would choke my children.

My hair, I don't even have any silver yet. This isn't right. It's just not logical. I'm going to say silver alert age restrictions. I guess that would be it. Yeah, I guess it's just for adults. Qualifications. I think it's just for adults who might be in need of help.

If that's what it is, James, I'm going to be so mad mad so i can call a silver alert in on jimmy that i'm looking for him 65 and up okay good good we're good okay we can't they can't call us because otherwise you could do that like a 26 year old she's 23 a lowered red civic didn't show up at her senior college by uh biology class today we're a little worried about her large spoiler on the back of a kia that's the one there it is so uh the next day a relative everybody's searching constantly from the air from the ground all the relatives are searching a relative finds their car wow it's parked at the hospital oh maybe they're at the hospital uh they're not at the hospital though that's the thing they go in and they're like yeah they go in and they're like oh maybe our parents are here nope they're not there

so they tell the police though and now uh Jack Sexton of the police comes in here. How you doing, Officer Jack Sexton? I'm here. I do emergency calls. I do accidents. And also I do bachelorette parties, just in case you're interested. Jack Sexton. Here's my card.

He's a step above Paul Holes in the sexy cop department yeah he's uh jack sexton here for i service all your parties and all your needs what do you have a missing child and you're horny well good news for you jack sexton's on the case you are in luck i have sex in my last name so obviously if jack sexton's on the case, everything's going to be fine because he's going to find you and then he's going to strip down and he's going to show you the goods. He's got sex in his name. You're going to feel better. Even the men he catches in finds are like, you know what? I feel better now.

I feel like I know what a man is now that I've seen Jack Sexton in action. Officer Sexton. action. So. Officer Sexton. No, call me Jack. Jack Sexton. Jack Sexton. It couldn't be a more pornier name than Jack Sexton. It sounds like.

Is there a porn star named Jack Sexton? I bet there is. I bet you there is. Or there has been. And now with the invention of sexting it literally is a thing his last name is an actual thing to do jack sexton he's sexton if you're lonely enough call me if you want or just text or just text Or give me a Jack Sexton. First reply, always a dick pic.

Well, that's his, even to like his mom. Yeah. He's got an auto, like an auto signature that's a dick pic on everything. He's like, mom, dinner Sunday? Dick pic comes at the end of it, just to show. I'm busy at the moment. Be with you in a sec. at the end of it just to show his auto.

I'm busy at the moment. Be with you in a sec. So Jack Sexty, you know what he's there to do? What is that? He's there to inspect something. He's going to look it over ever so closely. Inspect it. He's going to look at the car. He's going to inspect its curves.

He's going to look it over. He's going to get in. He might get his hands greasy from the engine shaft run his fingers down down the seams he's gonna run his fingers around the wheel up and down the seats oh jack sexton so he he inspects the car that's what he's there to do and to inventory it it's locked um luckily he with his romantic speak he oh it opens for him just on uh he gets down and he goes you want to open for me don't you spread your doors for me it's me again and then he rubs the door and they pop open wide both of of them. Pow. Same time. And the hood flies up.

The hood flies up. Spread eagle fucking Suzuki. So there's no keys in it and the windows are up. So it's locked. No keys. Windows are up. Like someone left their car somewhere and locked the doors. Like people do.

No signs of mud on the car, which means it hadn't been moved since Sunday night or Monday morning because there's mud everywhere else. There'd be mud on the car. So it's been sitting there. The car is parked on the east side of the hospital directly in front of the entrance, which again looks like we park here, we go in.

So Jack Sexton, though, he's not going to take a locked door for an answer. No. no no he goes and gets a skeleton key oh skeleton key will open even the most even the most resistant locks the tightest locks the most resistant locks he he calls it his booze is what he says it's like he goes i use this like my booze. It's just like a lubricator. If you know what I mean? Yeah.

Then he winks at all the ladies and opens the door. So that's what it is. So he opens it and he dusts the rear view mirror and the glove compartment. He fingers the glove compartment. Oh yeah, he does. Fingers it to, he fingers through the paper,

the papers and the files in the glove compartment. He fingers the registration for a bit to make sure he's got the right car. Oh, he then removes samples of dirt and grass from the frame bumper. The inventoried contents of the car. He does all this, and Sexton noticed something, though. Sexton keeps an eye out. Sexton's always looking for new information. Very attentive.

Very attentive. He's an attentive lover, Jimmy. Sexton noticed that the front seat was quite close to the steering wheel. He said, well, maybe the steering wheel's hot like I am, and someone just wanted to be close to it. Someone just wanted to be close to it. But it indicates that this car has been driven by a very short person, not Edwin or Wilma, who aren't that short, like way up closer than they would be. So that's an issue there. So Larry Hoyt, who's their nephew, by the way, he calls an attorney with whom he'd done business in the past. And he said, listen, I don't trust these fucking cops in small-town Nebraska here.

Do you know the name of a really good private investigator that I can call? And the lawyer gives him a private detective. Now, normally we would say, you would hear that and go, well, that seems extreme, and let the cops do their thing. But if you've listened to this show, you go, yes, if you live in a small town and someone you love is murdered, call a private investigator immediately. Don't let the game warden and the mayor come over and trample the trial. Don't. Don't. They're going to fuck it up, as we've seen.

A lot of times a private investigator is retired from doing police work and is a little better at this. Maybe. Yeah. Or he's just, you know, I don't know. It doesn't seem to work. Either way, as we see that a lot, we've seen that, you know, I don't know. It doesn't seem to work. Either way, because we see that a lot. We've seen that, too. People who've done nothing.

They were just robbing people. So they recommend Robert Sodden. He is a World War II veteran, wounded in the fighting for Normandy. So he's a Normandy beach stormer who was wounded after D-Day. So, yeah, he's a tough son of a bitch. That's a hero right there. He also was a detective on the Lincoln Police Force, so at least a city that has people in it. He recently retired, opened up a PI office.

He's known as a very good interrogator. He's good at getting his answers. He's known as a very good interrogator. He's good at getting his answers, and he also has a lot of connections in law enforcement all across Nebraska because he had a long career. So he comes on October 1st, $150 a day. That's an eight-hour day plus expenses. 1973 money. That's expensive. He's killing it.

Yeah, that's like $1,000 a day now plus expenses now plus expenses he's the one killing he is crushing right now yeah then again if they're they're like we've flown over his house five times we've done this or he's just cha-ching cha-ching these people have money maybe but uh he actually does a good job here so right away k the daughter who originally brought this whole thing to their attention, they said her behavior, she seems unsettled, agitated, all this type of shit. It just seems very odd here. her another family member of hers, a large plastic bag full of pills and told them not to let Kay have access to them under any circumstances. Just in case she tries to kill herself. Oh, which is, again, it's, you know, that's a concern. There's obviously chaos and, you know, there's some problems here. We took him out of Kay's house.

And these are Kay's pills. Wow. But they're thinking she's kind of mentally not doing well right now, and they don't want her to have access to anything that could possibly – she could hurt herself with. So anyway, they were scared of that. So now people, while they're there, family members, stay at Kay's house. And they said that she was just bizarre. Her house – she lives closest to the parents. So it becomes kind of like the family investigation headquarters is Kay's house.

Everybody's in and out. People are staying there. One night here during the stay, Kay woke her daughters in the middle of the night to move them from their bedroom to another bedroom not not k's bedroom no no just a different bedroom told them stay here sleep here then a little while later she went back and moved them back to the original bedroom she's like shell gaming her children yeah and she's like find the find the toddler kids murderer find the kid find the toddler find the toddler follow the toddler follow the toddler and he's moving it around that's weird behavior and everybody okay yeah all of her relatives that are there they're like what

the fuck was kate why'd she move the kids and they asked her and she didn't have any explanation for it she said i just did it because i had to. They're like, OK. Yeah. Kay's fucking weird, man. So on the Friday, the 28th, Sergeant Jack Sexton returns to McCook from North Platte and interviewed Kay Hine, Donna Elmer. Well, interviewed is a that's a little too formal way to put it here I mean it's a it's a little formal to say interviewed when no one's wearing pants if you know what I mean just kind of like out of view out of view if you know what I'm talking about you know he's like

listen ladies you're in a lot of trouble and then he rips off his pants and music starts playing. Starts humping in their face. Yeah! And then Wilma and Edwin come out. This was all a trick to get you guys a really good stripper. That's all it was, everybody. Everybody's fine. Elaborate, right? Yeah. Edwin rips off his dress shirt,

swings it around, throws it. He starts dancing too. Wilma starts oiling up his chest. It really turns into something. No, none of this. That's a scene. That's a scene. That is not what happened here.

Jack Sexton interviews Kay Hine, Donna Elmer, Owen Elmer, who is Donna's husband, Larry Hoyt, Roger Hoyt, and Herbertt and Herbert Hoyt, his sons, nephews, all sorts of people. So, yeah. Now, Jack Sexton has been been updated by everybody on this investigation.

And Kay repeated information here that she thought that one of her quote sexual partners might be the people who could possibly be responsible for this what is going down okay okay let's talk about you like i said forget now take the hoits out of your mind for a minute because it's going to take a minute to get back to them of how they ended up in this mess. All right. So Harold Noakes, let's talk about Harold D. Noakes. He is 45 years old. Roll your chair over, Jimmy. Check him out. Oh.

There he is. Looks like the warden from the Shawshank Redemption. I was going to say he looks like the bad guy Dean in any college movie. He looks like he's trying to get John Belushi kicked off campus. That's movie like he looks like he looks like he's trying to get john belushi kicked off campus like that's exactly what he looks like or that what you said the warden of same shit same guy same personality yeah black glasses the fucking hair is in the suit he's a square as the day is long is what he looks like here now harold youngest of four um he he's successful pretty successful guy just like his father he was a county commissioner which is uh commissioners

of the kind of how counties were governing county governor governing body shit uh he is also the red willow county uh county assessor as well. So, you know, tell you how big you're, they assess the shit for tax purposes, land and all that sort of thing. He was employed by the State Department of Roads as an area foreman in McCook, Nebraska here. He and

his wife, Ina, E-N-A, E-N-A is Ina, right? Or would that be Ina? It's Ina. We're going with Ina. Ina? It's got to be Ina. Ina? We're going with Ina. I don't really care at this point. They were married for 27 years in 1973 and have even lived at the same address for the last 20 years. 903 East G Street in McCook.

There you go. He is Harold Dwayne Noakes. He's born 1928 here in April. he's six two muscular yeah he's a big he works does road work i mean he's a big strong yeah big strong guy uh as you see he's got still got some hair on him yeah yeah good coiffa dark hair uh he's a good athlete he was second team all conference in basketball which, which is pretty good here. Known as a hardworking guy, friendly, well-liked by his peers at school, popular kid. Having a hell of a life here.

He meets his future wife, Ina, Ina Nadine Ambler. She was born in 1929, and they both lived in Danbury, Nebraska is where they came up here. Ina, she's like five foot tall. Very short, thin. Everybody says attractive, though. Short, thin, attractive woman. Now, they're married in 1946. Jesus.

Jesus, that's crazy, man. That's a different time different fucking time he was 18 and she was 16 when they got married god damn they got it was they were in a rush a little bit because ena was one month pregnant at the time so 1946 when you knock a girl up you better either leave town or marry her those are your options or her father and brothers will kill you that's how it works or we're chasing you down that's it in the wind western nebraska yeah like hey asshole this isn't fucking san francisco or you know fucking chicago you can't just impregnate people and move into the crowd make an honest sophomore out of my daughter, please. Right now. 16. 16. And pregnant and married.

God damn. Her friends, though, say that this is kind of what she wanted. She chased Harold all through high school. He was all she was ever interested in. They even said that they thought, based on stuff she said to her, she said to them that she kind of tried to get pregnant so she so harold would marry her because she wanted to she wanted to marry harold and get out of her parents house and uh hopefully leave danbury yep tell tales all this time she

wants to get out of danbury and get on to a the big city like mcc. You know how it goes. So Harold actually graduated from high school about a month after he got married. He's a married man graduating high school. And Ina, though, never received her diploma because she was married and pregnant and never went back. So Harold went out to work for the county

operating a road maintainer. I don't know what the fuck that is. It sounds heavy and hard to do. Yeah, it's a big paving equipment. Paving equipment, a smoothing of some kind maybe. It could be a grader if it's a dirt road. I imagine it could be a host of different equipment. Maybe.

He had that job for a while, a few months. Then he worked for the Union Pacific Railroad as a telephone caller. What? Just calling people. Hi. That's a job? I don't know if that's like a cold caller. Hi.

Ever want to go on a train? Yeah. Oh, he called railroad crews to report for duty. Okay. I guess. I don't know. They don't have a schedule back then or maybe that was emergency,

call people in for emergency stuff. That is interesting. Their first daughter is born December 19th, 1946, and they moved to Denver at that point where he worked for the Public Service Company of Colorado for three months. And Denver was boring, though.

They didn't like denver this is 1940s denver it's kind of a it's kind of a cowboy cattle town at that point it's not really uh you know not much there's no gold rush not very cosmopolitan then so they come back and go back to nebraska or it's even less and uh they go back there to Danbury. Then she's back in her hometown, exactly what she didn't want, and they buy a small cafe, and Harold gets his old job back as a road maintainer. So that's what they do.

That's a long way to go to get back to start. That's what I mean, right back to where he started. They had another child in 1950, born on Valentine's Day, 1950. They're in the cafe business for a little while, and then they moved to McCook, where they buy the Moffett Cafe. They operate that for a few years, and they sell it in 1956. They end up taking the ownership back. The owner had problems, so they operated again until 59, when they sell it completely. owner had problems so they operated again till 59 when they sell it completely and um during the time they had the cafe they did everything they did from washing the dishes to the meat butchering they did it all just the two of them so i mean it was a two-person operation right from that to that um it's all a light-hearted nightmare on our podcast, Morbid.

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This is amazing. He was operating on an as-needed basis, basically. He was like an extra guy they'd call in for a bad fire. He's already done three, four jobs that people have as careers forever. Whole careers. And he's like, don't like that. I'll do this. Lives in different places.

Yeah, you own a restaurant. You work at the power company you are a road maintainer and uh the railroad did utility did yeah he did everything railroad these are all union career jobs yeah these are all decent jobs where you can you know have a pension and stuff so in 1964 though the railroad eliminated the position of firemen on all of its train crews to lower their labor costs. And Harold was shit canned. So he went back to work for the Department of Roads in McCook again. He ends up being a foreman of the road crew in 1973, where we were catching all these people up.

He is the foreman of the road crew, and he does all that stuff, oversight of bridge repair and all that kind of shit. He's an important guy on the road. If you like driving and not falling through the earth, this guy's important to you. So Ina, after they sold their cafe in McCook, she started working for Harold's father in the office of the red willow county assessor

where uh they said she was a great employee but they also called her cold calculating and aloof those are the things that kept coming up everybody says that about ena she's not she's kind of a cold one uh from what everybody says it's kind of strange uh her father his father retired as the assessor, Harold's father. So Ena wanted to be appointed to replace him. But instead, the county boards thought that she lacked the public relations skills to do the position. And so they gave it to somebody else. And she was pissed, very pissed.

So she leaves the assessor's office, finds a job with the McCook Public Schools as a secretary and business manager. So very square people. He's a guy who works for the Department of Roads, and she works at the school as a secretary and a business manager. They're very, very square here. She, by the way, also has a big old bouffant. She's got a nice hairdo man she's got some 70s like like a leftover beehive almost she's got some shit going on here yeah oh yeah uh now he uh he's starting to look a little leathery by now but a good he looks like rugged weather

leathery he hasn't gotten to the point he's like old old school Robert Redford, you know, where he's like, you know. Even Robert Redford in Last Castle is pretty fucking good. Yeah. I mean, he's not. He's to the point where you're like, oh, he's rugged. Not God. How much cancer does that man have, you know, in his face? Jesus.

This guy's got stories. Look how fucking sexy that is. No shit. Now, Ina, really good with guns, by the way. Really? Really good with guns, by the way. Really? Really good with guns. They're both great hunters and fishermen people. Fisher people.

I don't know what the fuck you want to say. I think it's still fishermen. Either way, they're- Fishers. Fishers. They're good fishers. Ina was a good shot. Yeah.

Harold belonged to a bunch of gun groups that did sport shooting. He also fished, camped, did boating, a lot of outdoor stuff, huge outdoorsman. Ina, by the way, just as into it, one high school's classmate described Ina as, quote, being able to shoot the eye out of a hawk. Well, that's a fascinating. Damn. Yeah. Wow. She sounds scary, Damn. Yeah. Wow. Sounds scary.

Dangerous. Yeah. They also they're described as a quiet couple who, quote, pretty much keeps to themselves and thought to be well liked and well thought of as just square, normal Nebraskans. So are they always this boring, though? Is that just their public facade? I mean, when they come home are they that boring well let's find out what they do in their private lives shall we well closed doors between the sheets james let's let's enter two more people here yeah enter k hein sound familiar

that is wilma and uh edwin's daughter hoyt's Kay, who started the whole investigation, and her husband, Dwayne Hine. Okay. Kay's 30 at this point. Now, Harold and Ina were mutual friends of Kay and Dwayne for several years. They just knew each other. They would, you know, once in a while get together for dinner or barbecue or whatever. Yeah. Just one of your couple friends.

or whatever. Yeah, just one of your couple friends. Then sometime between 1960 and 1970 or 1969, 1970 in there, things are loosey-goosey, man. Oh, okay. It's Woodstock. Chicks are dancing around with their tits out. You know what I mean? Even in Nebraska, it's a different story.

And Harold and Kay start getting it on together. Yeah. They start having an affair. Okay. Behind the backs oh yeah yeah no not in front of them they say it's p-knuckle night and they go you guys get started we're gonna fuck over here on the couch for a while you know give us like a rating afterwards let us know how we did p-knuckle speaking of knuckles mine's in your wife all the way baby all the way to the hilt both knuckles pal uh yeah so

i'm sorry oh jesus christ i thought you said three knuckle not p knuckle three knuckles what i heard i'm sorry sweetheart yeah that was a little much so he um anyway he's they they start having an affair on the other two so um now let's talk about k k for a minute here yeah what kind of person is k i mean her parents are missing we know later on as of right now she's just starting to get down with harold um k and her sister donna we'll talk about here donna's three and a half years older than Kay and doesn't really like her. Not a real big fan of Kay. No.

Never really liked her. Kind of. A little bit. Everybody said she was jealous because she was like, you know, three and a half when this baby was born and then it was another girl. Yeah. She was the only girl until then and now there's another girl. So there's a tension um and at the same time they said that donna also calls her extremely manipulative okay extremely she said at an early age she knew how to get her parents to do what

she wanted them to do um she they used to have a thing where they'd say, you wash and you dry the dishes. Kay claimed that, this is wild, she claimed she had allergies that were exacerbated by drying dishes. No medical, they took her to the doctor, no medical, they couldn't find anything. But she said drying the dishes made her freeze, sneeze so often that she just couldn't keep doing it. So sorry. I'm allergic to chiller.iller she said i'm allergic to drying dishes i just can't yeah so they let her get away with it and shit like that um she also said donna says that anytime anything big was happening with her k would do something to fucking like have a breakdown and ruin the whole thing. They, uh,

they, when Donna and her husband told Kay that they were engaged, Kay said, Oh, that's wonderful. That's great. Oh my God, that's terrific.

And then somehow, uh, ended up in the hospital after that. So yeah, the, the parents didn't get to Wilma and Edwin didn't get to hear about the engagement till the hospital when they were sitting next to Kay's hospital bed that night. Kay needs attention too.

She needs a lot, exactly, a lot of attention. She's hospitalized twice at different psychiatric hospitals in Omaha. Once was in the spring of 1960, just as she was graduating from high school. And then another time is in 1970, which is around the time she's having an affair with Harold. We'll talk about that. They were both short. They never said she had a diagnosed mental illness of any kind,

which it's also the late 60s and early 70s. So they weren't the best with that. Right. There wasn't a lot of diagnosing. And even if they did diagnose it, the treatment wasn't necessarily good, I guess is the word. But it didn't really work. Fuck good. It just didn't work.

We know. We've talked about it before. That's when you got the cheer up, bitch. What do you want? Like, that's what they would say. Pick in the eye. Which would you like? Either that or we can shock your brain until you're less sad.

Like, those are the only things we can do for you. Which is crazy. Hook your nipples up to this Lincoln's battery? Is that what you want? All right. Go ahead. Lay her down. Fuck it.

They didn't really have much to do. So they said they didn't really treat her. They just kind of, she's just there for a couple days, kind of relaxing. They figured. They said that she was, you know, they thought maybe she was malingering. They didn't know what it was. Everybody says, though, all the siblings say that Kay is the one the parents are always doting on because they kind of have to because she's going to force them to.

Other ones are a fucking mess. A little bit. A little bit. A little bit. A little bit. She was in a lot of shit in high school band, drama, clubs, all sorts of other shit. She was doing tons of stuff here. She gets her diploma, graduates from high school. She had been with Dwayne all through high school. And it's Dwayne, by the way, with a D-E. DeWayne. D-E-W? D-E-W. DeWayne Hine. I hope it's Hine, because if it's DeWayne Hine, that's terrible. It's definitely Hine. It's got to be Hine.

So they dated through high school. They got married when they both graduated in 61. They were chosen king and queen of hearts at the Valentine's Day dance in their senior year. Dwayne, who preferred to be called Dwayne, not Dwayne. Yeah, but it's Dwayne. It's Dwayne. He was the star running back on the undefeated football team in 1960 here. A very popular guy. One of his classmates and football teammates described him as quote one

of the nicest most decent guys i've ever known so um once their marriage is going though by this 69 70 she's banging harold so obviously there's an issue yeah it's not going great clearly there's an issue no not at first no i mean does he know that it's not going great i think so yeah that he knows yeah that he knows um she said that uh and she had she files for divorce in 1971 as a matter of fact yeah he's aware that he found out when someone handed him divorce papers yeah i think everything's fine looks like it's going bad duanewayne? Well, no, that is your name. It's right here on these legal documents I have to hand to you. Your wife's divorcing you.

So Kay here, she ends up, there's a woman here who she hangs out with who rented a basement apartment in their home. And she tells this woman, Kay tells this young woman that she and duane pretty much got married because they wanted to fuck a lot that's why they got married back in the day when they were you know 18 years old sure and you know it needed to be after a while if you're if your whole thing's based on teenage fucking once you're like 26 and you have like a kid and a mortgage and you have to like stuff, that's not going to last. You've got to find another something else you can lean on as a couple. Yeah.

You know, so she told her friends and told everybody else later on. She said the reason why we broke up was because Dwayne made no effort to accommodate my sexual needs and desires. That's why yeah the sexual pressure was all on her end yeah she's he's not dicking me down the way i would appreciate a dick and down they don't like teenage relationships are the boy pressuring the hell out of her to finally fuck she's the horny one here that's the thing she broke up with him because she said too horny for you sorry you can't take it you're not cutting it so uh she said that she was much more interested or that she said he was much more interested in hunting and fishing and spending time with her and fucking her and yeah she was like she like she's in a kind of freaky shit too and he just wasn't

into it he was just like i'm gonna come home fish i'll hump on your missionary for about you know three four minutes and then you make me dinner and what's the fuck's wrong with that i'll throw it in you leave it in you uh you better hurry up and try to come because it's almost over it's almost over bet and then you can gut them fish i caught today so uh see you in a bit a lot of people said that uh the marriage wasn't wasn't wonderful um she said that his only interest uh he was interested in his sexual satisfaction and outdoor sports and didn't give a shit about her oh you mean he was a guy he was kind of a dude and then in her divorce filings she listed all that and then said the reason was extreme cruelty. And those were the reasons why.

That he only cared about his own sexual satisfaction and was obsessed with outdoor sports to the exclusion of her. Extreme cruelty. Otherwise known as extreme cruelty. cruelty otherwise known as extreme cruelty if keeping your dick away from somebody's extreme cruelty he must have a an amazing cock he must be like a jack sexton level cock on him he is yeah his sex must be incredible bring that beautiful piece of meat over here let me tell boy hold on it just blocked out the sun for a minute. Wait. This has got to be amazing. This is not fair. I haven't had it in a while.

No shit. Kay's family, though, told her during all this, because they would watch her belittle him a lot and be mean to him. They told her that, listen, he's a nice fucking guy. He's a good father, and he deserves better than you. Stop treating him like that. How about that? Or you should divorce him and he deserves better than you. Stop treating him like that. How about that? Or you should divorce him because he deserves better than you. You're being a dick.

They had two daughters, Brenda and Angela. And after the divorce, Kay is granted custody of the girls. And Nebraska at the time did not have no-fault divorce. That means you can just get a divorce because you want to. Up until the end of 1971, you had to have a – you had to allege and prove acts of cruelty, disloyalty, have affairs. That's why she ran with that extreme cruelty bit. Yeah, because you had to. It wasn't just I'm not happy.

It wasn't a legal reason to get divorced. Yeah. So that was part of her proof there. So Kay also told her parents that Dwayne would be harsh to her sometimes and also to the girls, to the little girls. And he would verbally abuse them as well, she told her parents. So the Hoyts there, Wilma and Edwin, later learned from Dwayne and the girls, both the children, that Kay made it up completely. The little kid said, Dad never yells at us, and we've never heard him yell at Mom ever. He's super nice to Mom, and then she yells at him and tells him that his dick isn't enough or whatever.

I don't know. Mom instigates, screams, give me that big, beautiful cock, and then Dad goes to bed. him and tells him that his dick isn't enough or whatever i don't know so they were uh the gate screams give me that big beautiful cock and then dad goes to bed dad goes to bed and then mom drinks wine out of a box i believe i don't think that's what's in their wine right i don't know it's pink let's just say that she sits there and she drinks it starts with an f she's got it upside down i don't know what it is i'm not positive i can't read it upside down i don't know french fucking uh wine names very fancy yeah so uh anyway they also learned from duane um or the hoyts said they were very sad because during the divorce they gave testimony

in court saying that our daughter complains to us about all this cruelty. And then later on, they were told by the kids that none of that shit was true, and they felt bad that they testified that way. And so it was one of those things. So after the divorce, Dwayne moves to Yuma, Colorado. What? Yep, where he works for the Burlington Northern Railroad and ends up getting remarried.

That must be right on the border. I have no idea where the fuck that is. No shit. I have never heard of Yuma, Colorado. And Arizona is nowhere. Yuma, Arizona is nowhere near the Colorado border. No. So it makes no sense.

It's not like it's like Lake Tahoe, which is in both states. Yeah. So back to the affairs that are going on here. in both states yeah so back to the affairs that are going on here so as a result of them hanging out together harold while they were still married harold and ena would hang out with duane and k all the time um and it got to be a more and more of a degree of frequency k and ena would have lunch together all the time because they both worked in downtown mccook and then uh they would hang out the the uh the duane and harold would hunt and fish and they'd all go camping together and all that kind of shit um k didn't even like to camp but she didn't mind

camping when the the noxes were coming because harold was there so it was okay um also they like to dance as well they like to dance um at new year's eve dance at the elks club in mccook god damn that's the social event of the season everybody k kissed harold at the stroke of midnight oh uh-oh january 1st 1970 so this is before the divorce and uh new year's kisses are common obviously people kiss that aren't that people are not married to but this was like there was a lot it was a strong kiss they thought it was a little too much for more tongue than we than we expected more time than you tongue than you expected yeah this kind of everybody kind of looked at each other afterwards

like that was strange wasn't it like a lot of raised eyebrows a lot of corn farmers with raised eyebrows after that i don't know i think he fingered her i'm not gonna lie it was a he made them a really quick motion down there so uh they continued to hang out and see each other and they play cards and do all that shit and go dancing in the winter, hunting fish in the summer. Harold, though, not long after the New Year's Eve dance, Harold receives a phone call from Kay. And she tells him she needs to talk about a very important matter. This is before they're having an affair. This is how it starts. She said, would you pick me up in your car please we

have to talk about something very important so he said sure so they drove a short distance out of mccook to the west um and they immediately started fucking in the front seat of his parked car like as soon as he pulled over to the side of the road, they started fucking. So that was it. So now, from then on, they start fucking two, three times a week. Oh, boy. Which is an aggressive affair. That's an aggressive affair. This is before anybody knows about it or anything like that.

High gear. Kay is into sex a lot from what everybody says and she tells everybody as well she makes public during these times later on likes variation she likes to do freaky shit she likes she's yeah she's an adventurous one she's a yeah she's a freak and her husband wasn't so that's not going to work out in the end

Harold said later and told other people that she was a hard woman to satisfy he said she's 15 years younger than me and also you know super horny on top of that it's tough to and likes things that i didn't know you could do that's the she's got a lot of good ideas though she's a real idea girl um harold though this lasts for a while he must be keeping up with her so um harold though this lasts for a while he must be keeping up with her so they're you know they keep going um while this is happening k pretty much falls in love with harold and starts telling him to or asking him to please leave his wife and marry her instead she's like i divorced my husband

because i want to fuck you and you're married this is this is crazy um i've been talking a long time to get this kind of fucking i've got it i'm not gonna lose it yeah it's i mean so by 71 she's like i'm divorcing my husband you divorce your wife let's do this and he's like i don't know when he's hedging how long you think he can hedge for you know that's that's a six month window right there right he draws it out for two years so that's a long time to be like i know you divorced him and i'll work on this that's a lot that's a lot he is doing a great job though clearly uh of of giving her what she needs because two years how does she stick around for two years that's what i'm saying it must be fantasticanging on the end of it there. Must be strong enough to hang off of.

Maybe that's why. Yeah. So hanging on his every word and cock. Now, Dwayne probably should have realized what was going on before that because coworkers had been telling him that Kay, they've seen Kay meet Harold Noakes on a road, like on a closed road near her parents' house before. Yeah. And they're like, they're sitting in a car on a closed road. What do house before yeah and they're like we they're sitting in a car on a closed road what do you think they're doing they're talking and he was like i don't know he said he didn't believe it and then he didn't believe until k filed for divorce and

then uh then you gotta believe it you're forced to she forced his hand yeah now ena obviously harold's wife she doesn't start to she suspects an affair because they're hanging out a lot, but she keeps it to herself. She doesn't say shit about it. This is like Nebraska back then where it was like, you just keep it all down and keep it to yourself and don't tell anyone what's going on. The corn silo stays in the corn silo. Yeah, that's the fucking thing. So finally, late spring 1972 she's being suspicious here and uh harold tells her that he can't stand the guilt anymore i can't take it i've been having an affair this whole time with Kay. It's been going on for multiple years.

This is fucking crazy. He basically ran out of excuses. And the book written about this has a really good point. The guy says, quote, and I'll give you the name of the book at the end. Quote, businessmen, professional men can conjure up excuses to be absent from home in the evening sometimes even an overnight but a man charged with keeping the area roads in shape has little he can do at night when darkness obscures vision yeah he can't be like they need me on the road to manage a fucking tarring project at 9 30 at night like it's not gonna happen at the time so he couldn't really there's no emergency i knew

this road was gonna fail i've been telling him for years it just failed i gotta go do it all i gotta do it and he didn't do like emergency stuff he did like plan projects so there's no emergency to a planned project that's a night so it's hard to do so you know it was very suspicious so at this point ena's gonna put a stop to this right i mean jesus christ you can't't bang our friend for two years. This is fucking crazy, right? What does she do? Does she just roll over and take a divorce?

She actually, well, you would either put a stop to this or divorce him. She picks a third option. Oh, my God. Where she says, hey, can I join in? Not shitting you. This sounds amazing. You've been doing this without me i want in is what she says that's like telling your significant other i've been going and getting ice cream twice a week for the past three weeks she's like i love ice cream yeah let's go get

i'll come with you tonight that's what she did what which flavor what's their best flavor like fucking walking up in there do they have cookie sandwiches i'm coming with you i'm coming with you that's what she did she's gonna go fucking lick the ice cream out of a cookie sandwich that's what it sounds like oh so um i like ice cream and uh an ice cream sandwich ice cream and vaginas are both wonderful i don't know what's gross there jimmy they're both fine well that's not ice cream j uh an ice cream sandwich ice cream and vaginas are both wonderful i don't know what's gross there jimmy they're both fine well that's not ice cream james it's very warm i get it either way though they're both good so anyway she says you know fine uh let's do it so they end up getting into it they start having threesomes fucking threesomes this guy's pulling

he's a fucking nebraska road worker who looks like no this guy should not be having threesomes doesn't look like the guy that's getting it no the guy that gets threesomes looks like you know how johnny depp dresses he's wearing like curtains and he's got like you know permanent eye makeup on that's who gets that's who has like threesomes with their wife and some third that they picked up not fucking not this guy some third that his cock broke up her marriage yeah that's fucking wild so they do um we don't know how excited she was about this or if she was she might have been just doing this too i want to hold on to my husband so maybe if i try this that feels more likely that's possible but either way

they're fucking all the time so it's not like this happens once in a while this is all the time they're fucking they've now now it turns from their affair to just a constant threesome wow um yeah it's it's crazy so they're they're doing all this shit. Ina loves Harold, so she doesn't want to lose him. And she's 15 years younger than the other one, too. So she might have felt like she had to keep up. So they would have luncheon meetings and all that sort of thing because they were good friends. And they were just fucking away. And Kay said that Ina participated in the sexual aspects with gusto.

She was right into it. Yeah, come on. Let's get on. Let's do, yeah, you swing that way. I'll get over here and he fucking drills you from that side. That's what I'm talking about. Sit on my face. She's planning.

So the one weekend, this is one of their first threesome weekends here. Okay. Fourth of July, 1972. of their first threesome weekends here okay fourth of july 1972 harold noakes called k and told her that ena was going to lake mcconaughey obviously named after it's obviously the it's the the homeland of matthew mcconaughey uh this is near agalala nebraska they're going there to fish and uh they said it's nebraska's largest largest lake good fishing there so harold told k that she's welcome to join him and eat and ina but the cabin only has one bed ah you know what that means yeah that's how this all started so he's he and k had this is before

ina had joined in yet so they were talking about only has one bed maybe we could do this she said she would do it. He asked if she'd be willing to come to their home. Tell you what, before we do this, come over, we'll have a dry run threesome or it'll be a wet run threesome.

But we're going to have a run through this threesome. It'll be a soaked run, for sure. We're going to make sure that we all vibe so we're not stuck in a camping trip together.

Three angry people in a bed is not gonna work so let's see if we have any any kind of uh you know rhythm together and we'll work it all out any sort of whatever so k said that um sure let's do it so she agrees they went to the harold and ena's house later on that night. She took with her. She took her daughters with her. Come on, kids. Go and have a threesome. Oh, weird.

Yeah. Well, not with them, but you know what I mean? That sounded bad. Like she was going to her and the kids are going to engage in a threesome. That's definitely not what happened. It's still very weird. No matter how this shakes out. It's very fucking strange.

So she puts the daughters to bed in the spare bedroom over there. Very nice. Tucks them in. She took her nightgown with her and that was that um k talked about all sorts of shit this this is uh okay i'll just read from the book here please do quote k detailed at length the positions the parties assumed and the cunnilingus the women women performed on each other while one of the pair was having intercourse with harold yes he engaged in vaginal and anal anal intercourse with them and each performed oral sex on him harold was the ring master suggesting various sexual positions and displayed an innovative list of activities. She's an angel. Harold is sitting around going,

what can I think of next? Okay, okay, okay. Check it out, check it out. You do this, and then they just do it. He's having a 16-year-old boy's dream just sitting there going, oh my God, they'll just do whatever. Holy crap, this is so cool.

That's what he's doing. He's having a field day. The 16-year-old doesn't realize there's consequences to that shit. Yeah, not at all. Jesus fucking Christ. So then they started meeting two, three times a week. They'd meet at her house. They'd meet at the Noakes' house.

They'd go to fucking Harry Strunk Lake. They'd go to Lincoln to do things. It was just a threesome after that. This continues through March 73. So we're talking almost a year. This guy, I mean, he might have run out of ideas by then. I don't know how he didn't run out of cum. Like, how are you doing this?

This guy is really, he's got to eat his Wheaties, man. This guy, what is his diet is what I want to know. He's got stamina. So he noticed in the fall that Kay's enthusiasm for the threesome had started to wane a little bit. This was, and this kind of might be an important thing, she hit her head on an open cupboard door in her kitchen and suffered a concussion. Oh, God. She was in the hospital after that for a couple of days with this concussion. And after that, they said her demeanor was different toward the threesome after she hit her head. They said she resumed fucking, obviously, but her attitude was different.

Just doesn't have that gung-ho threesome attitude that you want, really. I saw plenty of movies. Hit your head again. Maybe it'll come back. That's the thing. Maybe you'll be horny again. Yeah. So, now, while this is all happening, Kay's parents, the Hoyts, Wilma and Edwin, had become concerned about this.

So, you had a nice husband who treated you well and two kids and you divorced them so you could fuck a married couple this is weird like they were they didn't say it that you know straightforward but that was kind of the gist of it they thought that harold maybe had a few little bit too much control over her is what they thought at one point he loaned her six hundred dollars so she could buy a car at one point she a bad cold, and she didn't ask her parents to help. She asked the Noakeses if they could help her, and she stayed at their home rather than the parents' home. So they were concerned. March of 73, the Noakeses and Kay, they traveled to Kansas City, Missouri, and stayed overnight uh and then went to uh selena kansas

they went dancing after they ate dinner and k complained to harold that he spent too much time dancing with his wife and not enough time dancing and paying attention to her there's the consequences you can't i don't know how you you can't balance that you know what i mean that's this is why if you have twins, you've got to buy them the same Christmas present. You know what I mean? They're going to kill each other over it otherwise. Not that he's a Christmas present, but that's the way Kay's looking at cock at this point. If there's three people that are all involved with each other and they all have feelings for each other, one way or another, somebody's going to get jealous.

I don't care if it's... There's too many moving parts too many absolutely there's no way to keep that balance like that none so yeah i mean you know was so k started thinking like she's not he's never gonna leave ena yeah like she thought eventually she'd wrestle him away from ena but he's why would he why would he leave her he's got three of them now he's got two fucking women now to do whatever he feels like I'm not he's sticking around I'm staying right here in this situation this is the one I like yeah it's so they get back to the hotel and

Kay gets really mad and calls Harold a son of a bitch and fucking yells at him yeah so Harold slaps her. Oh. Yeah. This is getting way out of hand. This is supposed to be fun, everybody. Not fucking violent.

This is why you can't be greedy. So he knocked her down and gave her a black eye. Oh, my. And that's awful. And she demanded that she wanted to go back to McCook. And they left right away. They drove all night. Got home. and that was that so that's after that there's no more threesomes yeah kind of ends the threesome train

here and um they would all but harold and ena would both call her to cut her to come back and she didn't want to even ena was like you're gonna come over and fuck us or what and she's like no i don't think so. So here, this is from an interview later on. They asked Kay, why did you stop participating in these sex activities with the Noxes? She said, quote, I couldn't take it anymore. I loved Harold and I was so sure that Ina wouldn't go for this. And I was so sure that he would leave her.

And I just wanted to be a person, a whole person. And he didn't want that. I wanted him alone i participated in the threesomes because i thought that was going to get enid to go no but she was into it god damn it she thought she thought oh cool he's going to tell her about the affair and now he's he should be here in about an hour with his suitcases after she kicks his ass out and instead she got a phone call going come over and lick my wife's box like that's a completely different it's just like fine i'll do it and shut her up and make her share she doesn't want that and then she does want that god damn it god damn it shit so they said you really you didn't want to share him with his wife and she said no i tried i really tried

and um so she um would and that's kind of how it went. And they said, do you have feelings or any reason to believe Ena Noakes had any feelings or affection for you in a sexual way? And Kay answered, she always said it helped their life an awful lot and that it wasn't the same without me. Yeah, there's a missing person. So they ended up they keep trying, though, to get Kay to come back. April of 1973, Ina Noakes is talking to Kay on the phone. All right, so they're still talking. Ina said that Kay sounded very different.

When Harold arrived home from work, they went over to Kay's house to check on her. Let's go check on her. After they arrived, Kay was acting strangely, and i guess her daughter did something very very small very minor and k slapped her like really hard and they were like oh my god so they like grabbed her like fucking k relax what the fuck are you doing they don't why'd you do that she became hysterical started freaking out and then threw an empty pill bottle at them oh my god and apparently um and then she came over and stuffed a 20 bill in harold's shirt pocket and told him to buy flowers for uh for her girls at their funeral that's what she said um so they thought they worried that k had taken the pills pills so harold calls k's mother wilma and uh she calls edwin and the noxes uh stay with k until

edwin comes over picks k up and the kids takes her to a clinic so she goes to a doctor she didn't overdose on pills she didn't take anything she just did that uh yeah that was it she just did that yeah um so from then on, she gets home. She's mad at Harold. She gives one more, like, leave your wife for me. He says no. So then she goes off on basically any guy she can find. She's trying to find.

She's trying to fill the gap of this. All sorts of people. You got me. Thank you. Sorry. I had to. So she fills it in. Go she fills it in with everybody huh with everybody yeah her boss some guy she looked at a car the dealer from the car oh my god car salesman bunch of construction workers some ex-convict guy that she knew before she went in oh my god so she puts you know hey you know

what you're a free woman do whatever the fuck you want she's divorced she can bang as many people as she wants but she's doing it to try to make harold upset and she even tells everybody that i'm fucking everybody he's not even noticing that's what she says so um she acknowledged that this happened during the summer of 73 she said that um she tells people as she wanted to get harold to marry her basically so he gets so mad basically he does all this he she does he does get jealous and mad at her to the point where one night he poured a weed killer on her front lawn and killed all of her grass and damaged her shrubs and trees maybe it's that house from the real estate report that she lived in.

He painted it yellow too? Painted it a shitty yellow. She didn't know who did it, but she suspected Harold. One night, Harold told Kay, he would call her and just break her balls and yell at her, that she was going to be sorry that she ended the arrangement.

And then he destroys her lawn. He also told her that he, you know, I paid for all of our trips. I did all this shit. I paid for everything. So she came over and gave him $400 in cash. Like, well, there, I paid you back. Is that good? Will you leave me alone now? He said he didn't want it, but then she wouldn't take it back.

So Harold also told her during that she gave him but then she wouldn't take it back so harold also told her during that she gave him money he wouldn't take it she wouldn't take it back so he called her a quote two-bit whore which is the opposite of what just she just gave you money that's and the wrong time man no shit he also said that she needed a red light on her front porch to advertise her profession. Oh, sir, you better calm down. Shortly thereafter, she received a package in the mail and it contained a light bulb painted red. Clearly from Harold. Then there's graffiti that starts popping up.

Okay. The sheriff's office receives complaints from two of Kay Hines' alleged sexual partners. Okay? These are people that said their names are being... They put... Not only is she a whore, they'll put who she fucks on there. They're like... No!

People are spray painting scorecards, man. It's fucking ridiculous. Just writing her body count all over town? Highway signs on bridges, overpasses and shit they're doing this, park benches, rest area shelters, the public restrooms all over the place. Just on the chance that she'll come by and see it? Yeah, or somebody will tell her about it.

It's a small town. I saw it said that you did this and that with this person. Where'd you see that? The overpass over the 40? Like, that's crazy. The overpass by the Hardys says you're a whore. He says you're a whore.

One of the graffitis says, Kay Hine is a good fuck, ask, and it had the guy's name on there. Oh, man. So some of the graffiti was in ladies' rooms in rest areas, which is crazy. rooms in rest areas, which is crazy. They believe they end up the sheriff ends up believing that all the ladies rooms ones were painted by Ena Noakes and they think everything else was done by Harold. But a lot of her sister, though, later on will say she believes till till her last breath that Kay did a lot of them herself for attention which would be kind of up her alley but you know i don't know that's another level of nuts man yeah so donna mentioned

soon after she turned down a request by k to babysit k's children while k traveled out of town with one of her boyfriends um right after that she said graffiti accusing donna of being you know a whole slaughter or whatever the fucking word donna is this appeared on a bridge near their home near donna's home so she said that was probably k by other guys uh and denied any she would when contacted during the investigation she would deny that she had sex with the people that it said in the in the graffiti so they were like okay is it these guys should we go look at them and she's like i don't even know those guys why would they say that so it's tough uh she said one of the guys she'd been friends with

but not had sex with so she doesn't she doesn't understand it basically um as it goes on more obscene messages would appear all over the county uh in hitchcock county which is west of mccook on county roads around all this on indianola where sister lives All sorts of shit here. During the second time they questioned Kay about it, she admitted an affair with Harold Noakes and she told him the whole story. She said she had sex with one of the men mentioned in the signs, but not all of them.

And she also named three other local men that if a sign comes up with their name on it, it's true. Just in case you see this name did him did that that one's true and also someone wrote on her house quote hot ass bitch on her house in black crayon write it on my house i like it in black crayons tell everybody so everybody. So in June 1973, Edwin Hoyt, her dad, accuses Harold of attempting to blackmail Kay and repeats the accusations around town and to everybody else. Sometime during that month, Harold stopped to see Edwin Hoyt at the Valls Brothers plumbing shop where Edwin worked and asked him how Kay was getting

along. He was talking to her, talking to him about Kay and Edwin was angry with Harold and wasn't giving him too much in responses. He was giving him real short answers. Edwin also accused him of blackmailing

Kay because of the $400. You took money so blah, blah, blah. So June 1973, another day in June, shortly after noon, Ina calls K and told her that she cut her hand using a box cutter and she's having trouble bandaging her hand. She asked, can you come over to my house

and help me wrap my hand? That's nice. So K arrives. She said the the doors open and ena was standing in the living room with her hand wrapped in a towel when k entered the home harold who was behind the door shut the door on her and ena removed the towel from her hand and admitted that she didn't actually cut herself oh my god this is frightening she told k that harold wanted to talk my husband really wants to talk to you

Ina said she would drive Kay's car to East Ward Elementary School where Ina worked and leave it there I don't know why but that's what they want to do so Kay was nervous Harold said yes we did you know

all this shit you know this is it's true we tricked you to get you over here but um even though that's true come into the basement with me so i i have something to show you in the basement so she says okay she goes into the basement harold hands her a loaded deer rifle hands her one so now she's got the gun and says shoot me puts his arms out and says my life without you isn't worth living shoot me okay put one in my fucking chest right now right um she wouldn't wouldn't shoot him no and so she ran upstairs yeah he followed her up there and they

talked for a little while uh they're talking then he says well how about you fuck me then you won't shoot me how about you fuck me uh she wouldn't do that either right so her emotions fall somewhere in the middle between killing and fucking which is where honestly most people probably fall for most people yeah just most of the party yeah yeah just about everybody falls under in between fucking and killing for me you know somewhere in there so uh in the middle there so they're um they're talking about it she said uh no harold went into the kitchen and k takes off she ran for the door down the porch steps takes off across the street harold chases her uh but then he slips and falls on the ground. Yeah.

Falls off the stoop. He slipped on the stoop, fell three feet down, hurt his shoulder. Yeah. Fucked his shoulder up. Really fucked it. Right as he got out the door. Permanently fucks his shoulder up, by the way, too. Really fucks it up.

He still, though, hops up to his feet chases after k catches up to her in the process of catching up to her he grabs her by her clothes and tears her dress and bra so he really grabbed her and she really pulled away with you know trying to get the fuck away and takes her in the house again he yells at her and then warns her that the neighbors are going to talk now because i had to do that. So now you're causing the neighbors to talk because I had to chase you and drag you in the house like a psychopath. Just wear your clothes down the road. At this point.

With a separated shoulder. Jesus. At this point, Kay says she's dizzy, throws up, and passes out. Oh. So, yeah. She regains consciousness. When she does, Harold calls Ina at the school and tells her what happened. He says, I fell.

He didn't say she's sick and we had a whole thing. He says, I fell. I'm in a lot of pain. I need to see the doctor. Harold then makes Kay promise to return to the house after I go to the doctor. Even though I dragged you back in, come back later, will you? She agrees. So he drives her to her car at the school and he went to see a doctor.

She promised to return, obviously, only to get her out of there. So she never gets back. She never comes back again, even though Harold calls her a bunch of times. Finally, in July of 73 harold's tired of unrequited love and he pours sugar in her gas tank so pretty soon he's gonna like toilet paper a tree in her yard like he's doing this childish pranks here um this was parked right in front of her house and uh yeah so apparently after that though from from July after July, that's the last you hear of Harold from case. Finally.

So August of 73, Edwin and Wilma were going to a trip to Germany to see their son, Stanley, who was stationed there in the Air Force. They're going to do that. So he had, you know, it was a big deal for them to go there because they had not approved of his marriage. It's a fucking long story that I won't get into. We don't have time for it. So Kay and her two daughters and Edwin and Wilma all drove to Two Rivers, Wisconsin to see another member of their family before the Hoyts took off to Germany. So they left their car at Rogers' home and flew from Germany. This is the place they went and flew from Chicago to Germany. So they left their car at Roger's home and flew from Germany. This is the place they went and flew from Germany or Chicago to Germany. Kay had planned to hang out with Roger

or Whitey, that's his name in the family, for about a week and then go back to McCook. Before they got to even even got to Wisconsin, Wilma, Kay's mother, had written about to her relative about Kay and her relationship with Harold and Ina. She didn't talk about the sex, but she just said that they had an unhealthy influence on her and they were worried about it and all that shit. She also wrote that Kay had been a real worry for her and Edwin, like always, and that currently she's dating a contractor in mccook and uh she said she only sees k when k needs them to babysit or when she wants something from them so um yeah this whole letter was basically our daughter sucks and we're mad at her that was the whole fucking letter yeah update update so edwin and wilma take off for germany when that happens k and whitey have a huge argument they've never been real close but uh he was always closer to donna and uh always

thought that k was a manipulator just like donna did so whitey yelled at k for spending so much time with harold and ena and uh well she said And she said, maybe if you, he said, maybe if you'd been willing to spend that much time with your goddamn husband, Dwayne, you'd still have your family together. So they're arguing. Kay got it right in his face. Right, right in his face.

Right there, like close, two inches. Nose to nose. Nose to nose. Whitey told her that if she moved any closer, he would bite her. I'm not, these are adults we're talking about you move any closer i'll bite you so she did move closer and he bit her he said so he bit her lip she went upstairs got the girls out of bed her children are sleeping drags them downstairs brings them and sits them there and says she wants to show them how adults fight.

You're going to see how adults fight. Whitey mouth. Yeah. Whitey said later on that he was convinced that if Kay had a gun, she would have shot him right there. Like she was that fucking angry about it. So once the parents come back to the States, they were supposed to spend a couple days with whitey but k called them from mccook uh right when they got back and said i broke my arm i fell off the tailgate of a pickup and i broke my arm come on so come home so they do um she was feeding the cattle she said or whatever she had to do so um later on though they learned

that k didn't break her arm even though she told the doctor she had to do so um later on though they learned that k didn't break her arm even though she told the doctor she had the doctor said you're actually fine there's nothing broken so the doctor just to shut her up wrapped her arm and put it in a soft cast because she was she wouldn't leave it was like fine here there you go you feel better now give her a soft cast yeah um so this is fucking crazy so she knew her arm wasn't broken but told her parents it was anyway it's pretty fucking wild so um they get back on september 20th now september 23rd they host a family dinner where they talk about their family or talk about their travels that's when they cook ham in the frying pan later on the cantaloupe in

the dish in and the in the in the dish in dishes in the kitchen. So what I'm trying to say. So they Wilma cleared and washed all the dishes except for the pan she used to bake the ham, which was still soaking in the sink. About 730, the Hoyts got a telephone call from their son, Herbert, who was in the U.S. Navy in Charleston, South Carolina. They both talked to him, got off the phone with him. Edwin and Wilma then relaxed at home that night, eating cantaloupe. Little did they know that Harold and Ina Noakes were driving from McCook to their house that night. They come over.

Harold Noakes said he and Ina went to see the Hoyts in an effort to resolve the tension between the two couples resulting from the concern about their influence on Kay. So why this night? We have no idea. Or how do they even know they were back? They literally just got back. So Harold Harold's in good physical condition, but his shoulders fucked up still. So he said he feared Edwin Hoyt's temper and that he was a real strong guy so he took his loaded 22 ruger pistol with him just in case tucked it into his waistband and uh you know put his jacket

over it he had purchased the gun a few weeks earlier because uh he hurt his shoulder and he couldn't shoot with the rifle anymore right because his shoulder was fucked up there's a full clip in the handle and one in the chamber. One in the chamber, 32 in the clip. It's not 32, but it's probably 10. Anyway, it's 10. The safety on the gun was on, he said. And yeah, so the Ruger was kind of new.

So he said he knew he couldn't shoot the long guns because of his shoulder, and that's why he has it. So Harold also says knew he couldn't shoot the long guns because of his shoulder. That's why he has it. So Harold also says that he and Ina had gone out to eat that night, then drove to see his parents. They said the Noakes, they said that they then their parents, his parents' house was dark. So they drove to the Hoyt home. So they drove to the Hoyt home. And yeah. So anyway, Harold would have had to bring the gun with him as they basically before dinner.

Because he said he wasn't he was planning on going to his parents house. So why was he bringing a gun there? It doesn't make a lot of sense. So I don't think that's true at all. He think he he had seen his parents, by the way, that day at noon. So why the fuck was he going back there? It seems odd. Either way, though, they got to the Hoyt home after 9 p.m., which seems late to visit these farm people. It's a late time to show up.

They invited them in. The Hoyts do. The Noakes had not given them any advance notice, didn't call, nothing like that. Harold asked the Hoyts to come back to our house in mccook with us it's after nine o'clock but get in your car follow us home even though we could talk just as well here pile in let's let's have a night drive he said let's call k we can ask her to join us and then we could all discuss it we'll have a big five-way it's gonna be a five-way yes let's do it. So the Hoyts said, okay, which makes no sense. And no one even called Kay from the house there to see if she was home or anything.

They're like, yeah, we'll go there, then we'll call Kay. So Kay was home. She had a babysitter who had gotten there at 6.30 who said she was waiting for a phone call and remained at home. At 9.30, though, she hadn't gotten her call yet did you hear what i just said she called a babysitter at 6 p.m to come over and wait until i get a phone call 9 30 no phone call k got a babysitter but didn't go anywhere right she got a babysitter while she sat and waited for a phone call from 6 30 uh to 9 30 she hadn't right still hadn't received so she even though there's a babysitter

she's been sitting by the phone waiting that does this sound familiar she they shit man the noxes get there at nine it's i mean it just sounds a lot so uh anyway uh they asked k about this later on they said well why'd you get a babysitter when you stayed home and she was very evasive and would not answer the question. So according to Harold here, they drove. This is so weird. They drove to the Hoyts. Okay.

He takes the Hoyts in his car and drives them there so they can discuss on the ride. Meanwhile, Ina follows them driving the Hoyts' car. Which is super weird. No one can understand that. Now, during the trip back to the Noakes' house, Edwin Hoyt became agitated and accused Harold of being a blackmailer and a liar. Yeah. Well, there you go.

So when they get to the Noakes' house, Harold parks the car in the driveway. Ina pulls the Hoyt car into the driveway behind them. And it's a small one-story home, two bedrooms, not a very big place, kind of a small home. And the neighbors are close to little houses kind of put in all together. So once they get inside, they're talking, but there's not a lot of space between the homes and they're kind of cheap, thin walled homes. So Harold says, listen, why don't we all go into the basement? So our voice, the neighbors don't hear us if we raise our voices. That way we don't have to be quiet.

So they said, okay. There's a family room, laundry room, and a bedroom. And the basement stairs led from the kitchen down to the family room. That's where the family room is. The door to the laundry room was next to the stairs, and the bedroom was farther down the way. Now, Edwin is the first person down the stairs. He enters the laundry room and motions to Harold to follow. The two women remained in

the family room downstairs, unable to see the laundry room. That's in another room down there. The laundry room had a washer, a dryer, and a sink along one wall and a freezer along the opposite wall. So Edwin takes his glasses off and places them on the washer um then turning toward harold he said he's had enough of harold's lies and enough of your looks like uh edwin's about to do some ass whooping is what it sounds like he takes his glasses off then calls you a liar yeah you're about to get your ass kicked by a farmer that's what that says take a punch that's why he a punch. That's why he took him off. That's why he took him off.

So they're about 12 feet apart, and Edwin cocks his right fist and begins to move toward Harold. This is what Harold says later on, okay? So when Edwin was about three feet away, Harold says, he was right about to hit him, Harold pulled his pistol from his belt with his left hand and without saying any word or warning, shot Edwin in the chest. Wow. He walked over. He said 12 feet away with his telegraphed punch, which seems like a bad fighting strategy that I don't really believe. So Wilma heard the shot and both Ina and Harold will both say that Wilma said, quote, why didn't you kill Kay?

Like, why'd you kill him and not Kay? If you were mad at Kay, you should have just killed Kay. And she ran toward the steps. As she reached the second step, that's when Harold pops out of the laundry room and shoots her. She falls backwards into a heap on the foot of the stairs, a pile of a murder victim there. So they asked him later on whether if Edwin Hoyt knew he had a gun on him that night or if Edwin had seen Noakes draw the gun. Harold said he didn't know, but he said he did say he didn't say anything he

said he didn't tell edwin to stop he didn't pull it out and warn him he didn't say i'll shoot he didn't nothing he just pulled it out and popped him once um also the why didn't you kill k is a very weird thing to yeah for a mother to say after i don't know they must have really hated her if that's true i don't know if that sounds made up. After the shootings, Ina ran upstairs to see if the noise had alerted the neighbors and see if there's neighbors milling about in the yard. She gets back downstairs and told Harold that two of the neighbors who had been out on their porch with the porch light on had turned it out and gone inside. Harold told his wife to told her to leave and told her that he's going to call the police after she's gone. Like, I'll take care of you.

Get out of here. Enos said, fuck, no, I'll help you. I'm not getting out of here. I will eat pussy with you. You think I won't dismember a body? I'll do it. Not that that's trust me, not even equivalent in terms of activities, i'll do anything whatever you bring up what do you want to do you want to learn how to disco dance great that's next it's coming out in a

couple years i'll get into that too i don't give a fuck i'm up for anything that's great i said i do i meant it he was one of these people where if you're like you want to go out to dinner you're like yeah what do you want seafood sure chinese sure you can bring up anything. She'd be like, great. Whatever you want. Harold stated later on that he examined the Hoyts to make sure they were dead, and they were. So Harold said he went into the bathroom and vomited. That's what he said here. He said, and he returned to the basement where he and his wife discussed what to do. He said, something has to be done.

We either have to do something with the bodies or call the cops. We't just leave them here so we got to figure it out so enos said that listen we need to think about our two kids and harold said yep we got to get rid of the bodies that's all we can do okay we got to do it got to get rid of them so they said you know that could be the end of everything here so harold his shoulder was so fucked up he couldn't carry the bodies up the stairs um but together they could so uh he said that uh but they didn't by the way his excuse is my shoulder was fucked up so rather than ask my wife to grab the other end i said i better dismember them oh no i better cut them up that's the only way to do it. Make it more manageable for me. So, yeah, they discussed all this.

He's an expert in field dressing game, and he's also butchered meat in his cafe for years. So he knows what he's doing, and it's crazy, man. They started doing this. They arrived. crazy man um they started doing this uh they arrived we don't know what time exactly this is happening but it's uh it's probably past a little past 10 now yeah it's got to be past 10 because they drove from the other town to here so harold before he starts cutting them up ena drives the hoyt's car from their house to the hospital she parks it on the street or parks it by the,

you know, by the entrance. Harold picks her up in their car and they go home. That's why the car got there. The laundry room, they turned into, you know, a Dexter fucking murder scene here,

a wet room. Harold sent Ina upstairs during the butchery telling her quote, he didn't want her to be involved, but she came back anyway to assist because she's down as fuck. He began by dismembering Edwin Hoyt using a butcher knife and an axe. Oh, my.

Yeah. The butcher knife had a wooden handle and about an eight or nine inch blade, which he had to sharpen two or three times over the course of doing this. He would grip the axe halfway up the handle with his left hand, and Harold used this to break the bones, is what he would do, remove the limbs, and then finally sever the head. Jesus.

Harold then used the knife to slice the torso in half vertically and into thirds horizontally. Jesus Christ. Just a knife? Blood everywhere, yeah. I can't imagine. Also, during the butchering, he said the bullet fell out of the torso and onto the floor, and he recovered it and threw it away. So as he cut the body into pieces using the knife,

he was also cutting away the clothing. He and Ina wrapped the severed parts in freezer paper left over from hunting trips for those meat and sealing the packages with masking tape. So like you were going to buy meat from a butcher. That's how they were packaging pieces here. After finishing all of this and packaging him up, they then had to cut up Wilma as well. Jesus Christ, she's at the foot of the stairs. So, yeah, they had just been stepping over her while they did all their stuff. So he dragged her body into the laundry room by the arm and did the same thing again.

The bullet that killed her had not completely penetrated the body and was protruding from her skin. Jesus, how the hell did that happen? Was she faking it? What the fuck? Harold grabbed it and threw it away with the bullet that killed Edwin. He didn't remove any of her rings, though. Didn't take her rings off. That could be very easy to identify.

So they were dismembered and wrapped up. They then put them in the freezer. There was already some meat in the freezer, so Harold removed it and placed the body parts on the bottom of the freezer, then placed the good meat on top of the body parts. You know, you don't want to ruin your steaks for later. Can you imagine? Accidentally opening a hand instead of a New York strip? Shit. So then he turns his attention to the organs.

He placed them in a large trash can, takes the trash can and drove approximately 17 miles west of McCook where he dumped the contents into a deep ravine near a highway. So, yeah, he then drove home, taking the trash can with him. No neighbor had noticed it, by the way, because when they were asked, no neighbor noticed any funny business. When he got home, Ena's in the process of cleaning the basement. She had a hose to scrub the laundry room floor, and she cleaned the floor where all the blood was in both rooms. Nothing reported to anybody. Nothing happened in there. The next day, Harold paid a visit to his next-door neighbor and told them that his father's very ill in Culbertson.

And if you see cars coming and going during the night, it's because I'm tending to my dad leaving. So don't worry about it. They also gather up a bloody rug that had been at the foot of the basement stairs. All of the clothing that the Hoyts were wearing and the clothes he and Ina had been wearing and packaged them up in a cardboard box and then they had to go to work. So they left everything there and went to work. And then they went to their shift? Yup, he made it on time.

Ina was a few minutes late at the elementary school, but you know, the kids understand. They don't mind. So yeah, it's fucking wild, man. He did all of his shit. He placed the cardboard box containing all the shit there, the purses and the clothes and everything,

and he drove to Trenton, which is west of McCook, and he also threw the Hoyt's glasses and Edwin's billfold into Trenton Lake. So there's that. Yeah, he did all this shit. He gets back home. Harold Noakes sent Ina to buy some additional trash cans and after

dark comes, they pack the containers of body parts into the plastic trash cans and place the cans in the trunk of the car. They didn't have enough cans for all the body parts. So they didn't have enough, so they placed the parts. Yeah. So they didn't have enough. So they placed the excess in their boat and towed it.

Oh, God. They just hitched the boat up. So they set out for Harry Strunk Lake. It was raining, which people were like, why are they going out with a boat in the rain? That's different. They feed when it's raining. It's a good time to fish. It is a good time.

It is a good time um so they were like yeah i guess whatever so once they get to the lake they load all the body parts into the boat and launch it check to see if anybody else is there it's raining no one's there so they get out to the middle of the lake and unwrap the packages of frozen flesh and throw them into the lake they just throw raw meat not packaged into the lake. They just throw raw meat, not packaged, into the lake, along with the knife they used as well. And they said a few small body parts wouldn't submerge, but then would float on the surface.

They ended up returning to the shore. Not the body parts, them. They had to deal with that. They took the boat out of the water, built a fire, and burned the bloody freezer paper that had all the parts so harold um then the ones that wouldn't submerge he concealed them in a mud bank near the fire just buried they went home yeah then they went home that was that um they went back the 29th on september 29th they went back to the lake to see if any of the parts they had thrown overboard

had surfaced while you know and this was like a week later they went to do that Enos stayed in the car while Harold checked it all out they didn't take the boat so he just kind of looked around he found seven or eight small pieces of flesh that had washed up

on the rocks that covered the dam he placed a large rock on top of them and then they just left and never came back so k uh k they think is the key to all this the cops they want to talk to k they arranged for her to take a lie detector test and um uh yeah they administer the test they concluded that k was telling the truth about not painting the signs herself and that she correctly named those she had sex with and those she did not have sex with, though they couldn't tell whether she was telling the truth when she said that she was a bunch of sex shit and everything was inconclusive about the parents. So they didn't know what the fuck to think. So then they bring in that Bob Sodden guy.'s the private investigator on august on october 1st all this was going on and the cops were like we don't see any evidence of anything because they left voluntarily so it

doesn't look like a struggle or anything they hire this guy that we talked about um he didn't you know he doesn't even find out that harold noakes is a human being until he's well into this investigation because he has nothing to do with the whites. The whites have their own people than all their children's people, their children, all these different people. Some fucking guy from the highway department that heard his daughter used to fuck doesn't even, you know, enter into the whole thing. It's fucking crazy. You know, enter into the whole thing. It's fucking crazy. So Harold was never questioned by anyone in law enforcement during the graffiti investigation, even though Kay had admitted that they had she had had an affair with him and even that she suspected he might be the one doing it. They still never talked to him about it, which is fucking crazy.

which is fucking crazy. On October 11th here, Sautin went to Kay's home and confronted her. And she finally said that she had the affair with the Noxes and divulged the whole thing. They take her in. She gives the story. Kay, basically they believe Kay. So this is getting ridiculous.

October 3rd, 1973. Don't exactly know how they knew to go here. Well, we'll find out. So this is the Harry Strunk Lake, like we talked about. Wednesday, October 3rd, 1973. Very, very windy, and there's waves and everything like that. And it pushes up onto the rocks and crashing waves and everything near a couple of fishermen.

Dean McQuiety, who's a farmer near Cambridge, he's walking along the dam looking for carp. He gets to the west end of the dam and spots something in the water. What's that? Gets a little closer and sees it's a human foot bobbing in the water against the rocks

so you know he scans the area sees nothing else out of the ordinary he bent down and picked the foot up out of the water okay if you find a foot bobbing in the water do you bend down and pick it up no no that ain't my fucking job body part retrieval is not my job well it might be gone when the cops get there okay still not my fucking job yeah sorry i'm not doing this i'm not touching someone's fucking severed foot so um he pulls it out and he leaves it on the rocks sets it up there he talks to the cops tells him i found a fucking fucking foot. They come over there, and they start to search the area. So they're searching the area, and while they're waiting for more searchers to come in, they see another object, and they pull it out of the water and up onto the rocks.

It's the right arm of a female with a hand attached. Oh. And on the third finger was a ring with five various colored stones oh the birthstones of children something yeah like you'd have someone with five of them yeah yeah yeah five of them so uh the sheriff here uh he gets there and uh they start to you know just go through the area through the afternoon they They discover all sorts of shit here. Um, let's see.

They discovered, uh, a right female breast. Yeah. Oh, just a, just a breast. Just took it off.

Um, a left foot, apparently female, a large piece of skin, approximately four inches by seven inches, which, which, uh,

with what appeared to be a bullet hole in it. The hole was edged with black, which appeared to be powder burns, close range. Right lower forearm and hand, that's the female with the ring. A part of a right pelvic bone, that's apparently female. The lower half of a femur, sex unknown. Six left, or a left breast, six ribs, and part of a sternum. That's a lotum of a female.

Yeah. Upper half of a lower leg from just below the knee to the ankle, and the lower forearm and hand of a female with an engagement ring and a wedding ring on the third finger. Uh-oh. So, yeah, they found that. Sounds like they're finding way more of her than him. Yeah.

He must be more dense or something. So they take pictures and all that sort of thing. Obviously, it's who they're looking for. It's the Hoyts. They found one here. They describe it as body part 10, believed to be from a female, was long and irregular in shape and included part of the shoulder five ribs and skin and flesh from the upper back jesus fucking christ it wasn't even like a uniform no no no it was just a just a madness in there just hacking and chopping absolutely um the next morning the lake supervisor

discovered another body part on the rocks of the dam um yeah they keep finding body parts for a while so um yeah so the whole thing was you know he drove over there to get misunderstandings straightened out that was the whole uh that's his whole story rocks of the argument so people freak the fuck out when they find these body parts this town goes batshit crazy like oh my god there's body parts this town goes bat shit crazy like oh my god there's body parts in the fucking lake and it's like harold and wilma and they show the pictures of them everyone goes holy shit that's the and the squares people in the world was exploded yeah it looks like somebody's it looks like a wily coyote fucking gag went went right

for once um some residents immediately and there was a big section who thought it was it had to be a satanic thing had to be had to be a satanic plot um also uh they started to suspect football players at the junior college of doing it wow that's a um interesting pieces of shit they also were talking about uh wife swapping they heard about wife swapping parties in town where they had key parties and people just picked keys oh my god um they feared also just your average run-of-the-mill garden variety deranged lunatic is what they're looking for as well um you know anything could happen. People started picking their kids up from school instead of having them walk.

They're locking their doors now. No one's locking their doors in small-town Nebraska in the early 70s. They're doing all of this shit. It's fucking wild. At one point, one of the Noakes' neighbors, the husband had to go out of town, and he told the wife that if she was afraid,

she should spend the night over at Harold Nina's house because they'll protect her. People are buying handguns everywhere. Elderly couples are really getting into the whole handgun thing. So Noakes here, Harold, he contacts an attorney at one point here. They talk to him. He says he did nothing wrong. Doesn't know what you're talking about. Then they search his home on October 12th.

They inventoried the house, remove some clothing found in the basement, found a bloodstained nightgown. It was later ascertained that it was menstrual blood, not murder blood, took samples of what appeared to be blood from a floor drain in the basement laundry room and jackhammered a few bits of concrete from the floor of the laundry room. They also inventory the context contents of their car that night. They sent blood taken from the floor drain to the state laboratory for analysis.

The lab determined it was animal blood. It's not or it could be but there's also people blood too because that's where they do deer too nothing found in the search was in any way related to the hoits or their blood types that's how good of a cleaner ena is she'll join in threesomes house james and fucking keeps a house to the point of you could dismember two people and a week later the cops won't be able to find a fucking thing in your house. That's fucking wild. That's crazy.

So they on October 12th, Kay Hine gave the investigator the dress slip and bra that Harold Noakes had ripped in half as he pulled her into the house that day. She also gave him the red light and said, yeah, you can that he sent the red light bulb um the same day the noxes are taken to jail while their house is being searched for whatever reason while they're there harold says quote i belong in jail but my wife doesn't but then they found nothing in the house, so they just let him out, which must have seemed really weird to him after he said that. One point, they're out. They send – Ina is eating lunch at a place. They give – they dress somebody in Kay's clothes. Or I'm sorry.

They dress – there's a woman who looks like Wilma Hoyt in town. So they dress her in Wilma Hoyt's clothes and sit her next to Ina at a counter to see if Ina will react to her. And she doesn't. So that's how desperate they were. They sent divers to look for additional body parts, and they couldn't find any more. Their new tactic, though, is they want a listening device in their house, the Noakes' house. There was like two weeks of hearings to see if they had exhausted everything to do that. So they end up doing it. They end up getting a – they put it in the ceiling in the attic in a bunch of shit.

Problem is it ruined the reception of the TV set. So the Noakes is called a television repairman to fix the problem and everything. So they were like, oh, shit. They had to call the repair company, the cops did, and say, whatever you do, don't say that this is causing the fucking problem because we've got a whole operation going on. They didn't really say that much. They didn't say like, oh, man, remember when we cut up Wilma and Edwin, like that never came out. The only thing they did say is at one point they said the cops said they were

quiet about it. But at one point they said that they shouldn't have left the rings on. That's one thing they said. We should have taken those rings off, which is interesting. That was, yeah. At one point also, a week into the bugging, this is what he said. Quote, I'm sorry I got you into this.

We should have removed the rings. That's what he told Ina. And so they were like, I mean, that's close enough. Pretty good. And then there was a couple things about him telling his wife he planned to commit suicide. Oh. So they were like, let's arrest him before he kills himself. We don't really have all that much evidence, but let's fucking arrest him anyway.

So December 20th, 1973, they arrest Harold and Ina. They take him in. And on January 4th, he makes a full and complete confession. We don't know how true it is because I told you some of the things that didn't make sense. Why didn't you kill Kay? Shit like that. But he says, we killed her.

I cut her up. I did this. The only thing they think might be false is he might be taking Ina out of... Taking more responsibility than she did. Exactly. He's taking more of the responsibility than he actually did.

So, yeah. He said that he did paint some of the responsibility than he actually did so yeah he uh he said that uh he did paint some of the obscene signs but he did say quote i didn't paint near all of them so i think she probably participated in that um he said i felt like she hurt me an awful lot and i guess i tried to hurt her back a little bit that's why he killed her parents. Her parents. A little bit. He admitted to fucking up the lawn. He admitted to pouring sugar in the car's gas tank. He also admitted he sent the red light bulb. You know, he said, I did it.

And then he admitted he killed them. He said, I couldn't drag them upstairs. I had no other way to get them out. That was the most inhuman thing was to cut them up. I know. I shouldn't have done that. No, you shouldn't have. That's what he tells him.

He said the quickest way I knew of, he said he decided to go to Harry Strunk Lake because it was, quote, the quickest way I knew of. I couldn't hardly have dug a hole very easily with my one arm. So they asked him what he felt like that night in the basement. And he said, quote quote i just don't know it was just kind of a nightmare kind of numb i guess you would say i know after it happened i should have called the law should have called j should have called james sexton and or jack sexton i should have called jack sexton he said but i didn't want my wife involved and she wasn't really all that way all that way i don't know i asked her to leave and she wouldn't leave

so the only thing i could think of was uh think of was the way i could get them out so i cut them up they end up freeing ena on bail really 25 000 bond they drop her charges from murder to illegal illegal disposing of bodies instead they take he takes her totally out of it. January 10th, 74, 20 days after he confesses, he is waiving his right to preliminary hearing and entering a plea of guilty to two counts of first-degree murder. Really? Right up front.

Guilty, guilty. I'll go to jail. I'm fine with it. May 74, he's being sentenced. That quickly. He tells the judge, quote, if I had read the Bible, maybe this terrible thing would not have happened. He's trying to get some. They give him, you, sir, may fuck off.

may fuck off a three judge panel imposes a sentence of life imprisonment on the charge of first degree murder and the presiding district judge imposes a sentence of life imprisonment on the second degree murder count and directs the sentences to be run consecutively

never getting out if you die you're gonna fucking come back and we'll keep you here for a while so Iina enters a plea of two counts of illegally disposing of bodies. And that's what he does. Seventy four. He appeals based on the search warrant is what it is. Most of it is based.

There's 13 points where there's errors. Also, shitty counsel here. You know, bad representation of counsel here, incompetency. And he contended that, quote, this is his new lawyer, said that his old lawyer, quote, did none of the things which would be expected of a competent counsel as a rudimentary defense of so complicated set of charges. The problem is he wanted to do it quickly quickly quickly so his

wife wouldn't get put away yeah period that's what he wanted that's what he wanted so 1976 anna's been in prison for 26 months and she light man holy shit wow um oh my god so um the uh she was eligible for immediate release but they don't know if she's gonna when she's gonna be able to leave or if they do a halfway house thing or what um the one of the the nephew leon hoyt this is wilma and edwin's nephew, I think it had a lot to do with a certain district attorney running for state office. He didn't have time for this shit anymore. They did say that she, one of them here said, this is Roger Hoyt. He said, I think the condition of her parole should be that she live in McCook, Nebraska.

Because they were saying that they were going to say she couldn't return to McCook. And he said she should have to live here. Yeah. Be around. You should have to. Yeah. Fucking everyone should be able to point at her and whatever. She plans to live in Lincoln, where she got a job as a typist and her husband is not typing anything. He's in prison. So one of the parole board members said, I hope there will not be any visit to the penitentiary, saying she hoped that she doesn't go visit Harold in the penitentiary, which makes sense here. So 2007, I actually have the name of the people who voted for shit, but there was a long time ago. So who cares? 2007, he does a two and a half hour interview.

Harold does in prison with an author here. And he said the author ended up saying there's a lot more to the story. I don't believe Noakes' version in either his confession in 1974 or the interviews now. Ena was far more involved than Noakes gave on. And in my book, I speculate as to why he felt he had to protect her. Obviously, he's trying to find something his conscience can live with that makes sense there's no evidence she participated in the murders but certainly she could have been prosecuted as a betting fair uh very very

fucking fair uh now he ends up living till february of 2017 har finally dies. 88 years old he dies in prison. Wow. 80 fucking 8. He survived 40 fucking years in prison. Absolutely. It's fucking crazy that he survived that long. And then finally April 25th 2021

Ina finally dies at 91. Wow. These people are hardy, boy. The wicked stick around, James. Fuck me. So the book, a lot of this, a lot of the really good information came from a book because the book, they were able to get documents that nobody could get for years and years and years. Nobody had applied for them, obviously, but they were able to get a hold of these documents. years and years and years.

Nobody had applied for them, obviously, but they were able to get a hold of these documents. The book is called In Cold Storage, In Cold Storage, Sex and Murder on the Plains. And it's by James W. Hewitt. That's the guy's name. So, yeah, the author here, he says that, this is Hewitt, he says that this kind of thing is,

quote, you don't think it could happen in a small midwestern town like mccook well that's why we do this fucking show and he says obsession could make people do crazy things we see it all the time noakes was your average kind of mild-mannered guy who worked for the state department of roads for years he got involved with k and couldn't let it go but how does that happen when obsession crosses the line into murder and you get small town murder and that everyone is our story that's a lot of that's some crazy shit i'm sorry that's insane midwestern throuples how long they lived the whole thing it's crazy they both of them yeah she i mean she was out of jail, but still, 80-80, lived to in prison. He's like, somebody fucking, I wanted to kill myself 45 years ago.

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who's fucking, you never know. And I guess we'll keep trying to find out. And until next week, everybody, it's been our pleasure. Bye. Hey, Prime members, you can listen to Small Town Murder early and ad-free on Amazon Music. Download the Amazon Music app today. Or you can listen early and ad-free with Wondery Plus and Apple Podcasts. Before you go, tell us about yourself by completing a short survey at wondery.com slash survey.