Small Town Murder - #267 - A Bloody Desert Trail - Wittmann, Arizona

Episode Date: March 17, 2022

This week, in Wittmann, Arizona, a minor, but trashy incident leads to a case of revenge, turned bloodthirsty, horrific murder. A meat tenderizer, a beheading, and possible tracking devices implanted into the killer's skull... It's pretty crazy. But when you consider the fact that a lot of meth was involved, it all starts to make sense. Seriously horrific violence, followed by a fight to see if this murderer is competent to receive the death penalty! The whole thing is much more wild than any description could possibly express!! Along the way, we find out that the Arizona desert is an unforgiving place, that you should know whether you're going to kill someone, when you kidnap them, and that some people apparently pick up a murder habit!! Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman New episodes every Thursday! Donate at: patreon.com/crimeinsports or go to paypal.com & use our email: [e-mail] Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder & Crime In Sports! Follow us on...twitter.com/@murdersmallfacebook.com/smalltownpodinstagram.com/smalltownmurder Also, check out James & Jimmie's other show, Crime In Sports! On iTunes, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Yay! Oh, yay indeed, Jimmy. Yay indeed. My name is James Petrigallo. I'm here with my co-host. I'm Jimmy Wissman. Thank you folks so much for joining us today on another crazy edition of Small Town Murder. And this week we have an Arizona case. And you know we always go with those with a little extra gusto.

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Or you can just go to PayPal to get a shout-out and use our email address, CrimeandSports at gmail.com. That said here, disclaimer time, this is a comedy show. It is. We're comedians. We're going to make jokes about things, obviously. But there's certain things that they don't really need jokes because it just doesn't work there. You know what I mean? Like if there's somebody, it's not hilarious when someone's getting their head removed.

We never go, oh, my God, I bet there's blood all over. Like that's not funny. The funny thing is someone going, I bet I can cut his head off. Then I'll get away with it. That's funny. The thought that you can get away with, that's hilarious. So we'll talk about that sort of thing. There's plenty to joke about around this thing.

And what we don't do, though, what we never do, is we don't make fun of the victims or the victims' families. Why, James? Because we're assholes. But? But we're not scumbags. No, you haven't. That's how that works. So if that sounds good to you, welcome aboard.

It's going to be crazy. If not, I don't know, maybe you don't like true crime and comedy together. Just don't complain later. You might like it. Trust me. Makes it a little bit easier. Rather than the murder porn of and then the head was removed. That's a little much for me. We like to try to

lighten the load a little bit here. So that sounds good to you, as I know it does to Jimmy. Let's sit back. Sit back, clear the lungs oh boy and shout shut up and give me murder let's do this jimmy all right let's go on a trip shall oh it's a short one it's a short trip or hopping hop and skipping a jump and especially from, here where we are, your house, it's really close, actually. It's literally 20 minutes down the road. It's right there.

It's scarily enough, man. I don't know how you can live so close to such a horrible place. Where you live sucks, too, though. It's in the middle of the desert. Yeah, it's not good here. It's just not good. And I liked it because it was quiet, and then I didn't know that airplanes fly over. Oh, they fly over a lot.

It would be so quiet if it wasn't for that goddamn Luke Air Force Base. I was going to say, these aren't like airplanes like you. This isn't like the Delta flight to Portland. This is the Air Force flight to Kabul. This is a different, completely different. 200 feet off the ground. Yeah, this is a different flight. It's loud. Whitman, Arizona, this is. 200 feet off the ground. Yeah, this is a different flight. It's loud.

Whitman, Arizona, this is. It's in central Arizona. It's outside of Phoenix. It's about 50 minutes to downtown Phoenix, so it's not a- It's a piece of shit is what it is. It's gross. And now, since Phoenix has gotten insanely expensive in the last three years, like the housing prices have pretty much doubled in the last three years.

It's gotten- I would say literally insulting and obscene it's obscene we're talking crappy houses on a little plot of desert when you hear about it you go well like la well there's also an ocean by la like there's a thing that none of that exists in arizona it's just the desert so it makes no earthly sense and uh so whitman has actually now it's just the desert, so it makes no earthly sense. And so Whitman has actually, now it's just new construction like crazy, that whole place. It's just going crazy with people who are going to live in Whitman and commute into the, oh, God. So it's about two and a half hours up to Flagstaff. So you've got to get over to the 17. And about an hour 20 over to Apache Junction, which was our last Arizona episode,

episode 224, The Devil Come to Earth. And that was a wild one. I was mad. The difference between the two, James, is not much. It's not. They're on opposite sides of Phoenix.

One's in like the southeast corner, one's in the northwest corner, and they're both a disaster. Identical. Phoenix itself is trash. So anything bordering it is like trash that can't even get into the trash pile. So it's not good. It's not good.

And the people there are just as bad. Yes. And if you live in Maricopa and you're trying to get out of there, our heart goes out to you. We're not picking on you. You know why you want to leave. That's what we're saying. Yeah. So it is Maricopa County.

And we can, like I said, we've, goddammit, we've paid so many Arizona taxes. We can say any fucking thing we want. We pay for years and years and years. Every one of our terrible jobs, we've paid plenty of Arizona taxes. So it's in Maricopa County. Area code 623 out there, obviously. Motto here, I mean, and it's in maricopa county area code 623 out there obviously motto here i mean and it's it's it's clear as day and i would yeah i would say it's a good motto quote keep on driving mister ain't nothing to see here should be on the fucking sign wickenburg you're almost there it's pretty much yeah wickenburg's not good either. History of this town.

This is the most appropriate thing ever for a town. The town's first name wasn't Whitman. It was Nottaberg, meaning nothing's here. Not Wickenburg. Not Wickenburg. Not a N-A-D-A. Oh, is that right? Nothinberg?

Nothing in Spanish. It's Nothinberg is what it means. This town sucks. So appropriate. And there is a Nothing Arizona, by the way, where there is nothing. And there's a Baghdad, Arizona as well, where there's nothing there either. Right. There's Miami also. Yeah.

At least there's some things there. Globe Miami. It used to be a mining area. It's still a piece of shit. Oh, it's bad. Yeah. Anything out there is not good. So the railroad here, who built this Southern Transcontinental Railroad, think of Blazing Saddles right here.

This is what's going on. This railroad, they built this here, named the site Notterberg for years. So it was the railroad who named it Notterberg. They're like, yeah, a place where there's nothing. Yeah, that shit, not a, whatever, not a shithole place. Yeah, Berg, that one. The one after Wickenburg? You mean nothing. Yeah. Not a shithole place. Yeah, Berg, that one. The one after Wickenburg? You mean nothing?

Yeah, Nothingberg. That's the one. Yeah, Wickenburg and then Shitberg out there. We can't call it Shitberg? All right. Well, not a bird. Not a little do, I guess, there. The area was formally open to homesteading on December 29th, 1916.

So you could just take land no just pick it please have some because nobody wants this it's it's dangerous to live here you're you're far away from the city center where water and other resources might be it's just you in the desert so and the water table's like fucking five miles deep oh it's it's bad it's bad stuff there it's not good this is just a 60s clint eastwood movie and you're staggering through it with your lips are split from the sun it's not good there's sand in your teeth no shit uh william hovey griffin who was from texas he founded not a berg uh filed his homestead position, petition in 1920.

And apparently, I think he was the first person to file a homestead petition, even though it was open for like nine months. Like nobody wanted it. Finally, one guy's like, I'll take it, I guess. Shit, I don't know. By lo. So Joseph Whitman here. Now, he's here. He wanted to build a dam on the, what the hell is that river called?

Haseyampa? Haseyampa. Haseyampa River to irrigate water to the town of Nottaberg. Okay. His father-in-law started this whole thing that he wanted to do it. And this Joseph Whitman is going to take on the task. Okay. So in 1926, lots and tons of land were given to this Whitman man by the citizens of Nottaberg.

Really? In support of the construction of the dam. They wanted the water so bad they were like, take I have extra land you can have. Just finance the dam. We'll give you land in return. Absolutely. They were such heroes, these Whitmans, that they wanted to do this, that the people of the town forced the name change to Whitman because he was bringing water. They gave him his land, their land. They named the town after him, right? We're so parched, Mr. Whitman. He's going to irrigate the fields.

Finally, my cattle can drink. And, I mean, it was wild. So there was other land and claims there and all this type of shit. So the problem is this guy is a fuck up, is Joseph Whitman. And for whatever reason, he's unable to pull this off. He can't get any of this done. And so at some point, the town sues him. So now they've named the town after him and then two

years later they're like what a fucking asshole and they're all suing him they've dragged whitman v whitman in court dude imagine i just picture them dragging him to the town square like by the shirt collar he's being dragged i swear to god i'm trying well i've been to the haciampa river before james and and it's dry. It might not have been dry in 1926, though. I mean, we're talking 100 years ago. But I think that Hacienda River, I think it's just always been a riverbed that's like, it only runs when it rains, man. Well, then shit, it's their own fucking fault then that they didn't realize that.

He's going to damn the river. No one said like, hey, there's no water in the river so what's he damning so they're all morons then and it's all their own fault so damn the dust i just love that he's a hero no he's not reviews of this town oh my favorite reviews these there's a bunch of them they're short and they're awesome these are just one of the best batches we've had in a long time here four stars it's like a good pot of them they're short and they're awesome these are just one of the best batches we've had in a long time here four stars it's like a good pot of chili you're like i was like it's a good one it's a good batch uh four stars this is the best review you can find here no five star reviews quote whitman is growing fast new homes build from 203rd to 225th they mean avenue avenue that's way far west great for horse lovers and rv hauling overall i'll give it a four well thank you just love the overall i'll give it a four three stars whitman needs to modernize

there are a lot of places that need fixing up so it isn't a dump otherwise it's a great place to live quiet and safe that person thinks the city comes through and fixes your house for you i don't know what there are a lot of places that need fixing your house for you? I don't know. There are a lot of places that need fixing up. Maybe they mean like, I don't know, municipal facilities, parks with like a hoop dangle. And I don't know what's going on here. But basically, there's nothing there. They said if it wasn't a dump, it'd be a great place to live. That's not reassuring.

Three stars. The center of town is really small but the area does expand oh good there's it includes desert thank you where there's shit that's small but then there's a bunch of desert around it so it's fine right um many people live out this way that's many people that could mean what do you consider what that just depends on what this person considers many that depends on how high you can count. Yeah. 50?

50 is many. That's many people, I guess. So is 10,000. I mean, who knows what they're doing. A lot of... A lot. A lot and many. This is...

We need specifics. A lot of vacant or abandoned properties get stripped down and things get stolen a lot around here. Yeah, those are crackheads stealing the copper and the aluminum. The cost of housing has gone up to where the house itself really isn't worth the pricing. A lot of times I think. No, it's not. Wait till you see this.

We have utilities, but where I live, I can't get the Internet unless it's through satellite or hotspot, which I hate. You live in the middle of the fucking desert. What do you want? You're not going to be hooked up to a cable to anybody else. You live in the middle of the fucking desert what do you want you're not going to be hooked up to a cable to anybody else you live in the middle of the desert you have to figure it out on your own he's got a satellite yeah if you internet if you want internet you gotta beam it from space your own goddamn self that's the thing you live in the middle of the desert you asshole as sam kinnison said hubcaps in a tree. No shit. Two stars.

It is not the worst people. Don't just get shot around here. What? It's not the worst people that just get shot? Is that what they're saying? Quote, it is not the worst people. Don't just get shot around here. I don't know what that means, but I am fucking, this is terrible. But there are a lot of break-ins and drugs around here.

So a lot of around here. One star. This is very specific. One star. Terrible customer service at Tom's Bar! Thanks. This is just for the town. I called and reserved a table and then drove all the way over there only to find the place was shut down.

Do not recommend. recommend wait where did you reserve a table that's what i'm saying you called a place they said yeah sure come in and then shut down while you were on the way is that i don't i think you called the wrong place i think so too and i think you're also on the wrong website go to yelp i think somewhere there's a goddamn apple bees with an open table going i don't think that reservation's coming. We can put someone there. Anyway, one star. Whitman is a very small town.

The trailer park makes it crap. The whole town is a trailer park. What are you talking about? That makes me think the trailer park makes the town actually crap. Not makes it bad. Makes it have diarrhea. Yeah. It's called Devil's Kitchen. Never heard it bad. Makes it have diarrhea. Yeah. It's called Devil's Kitchen. Never heard it called that before.

No. And half the trailers are abandoned or burnt down because they were meth labs. That's true. James, what if the trailer park's called Devil's Kitchen? That's possible, yeah. I'll bet it's true. Lots of drugs and desert is a dumping ground for trash. Yeah, that's right.

That's Whitman. One star. There's a subway at the Shell gas station and a bar. And it's right next to Tom's. Apparently Tom's there, which you don't want to reserve a table because it'll shut down on you. That's all that's in this town. That's where you get your groceries is at the Shell. That is scary shit.

People in this town, the perfect number, 666 jimmy 666 on the people are you serious hand hand to fucking satan jimmy there you go 666 swear to the devil swear to satan rock on so 666 in whitman arizona devil's kitchen all the fucking maybe that's why it's the devil's kitchen the 666 this place is a dump this place sucks a dick dick dick is what it is it's a cursed meth-y desert shithole where you can't get a table not happening uh it's way more male than female which is always not a good sign when it's like too many dudes that's yeah you don't want that you want 44 of those it's like 55 guys which yeah that means either women are scared of it or they these guys have buried all the women in the desert or

it's a problem and guys this isn't anything i'm not saying i shouldn't have guys around i'm saying guys what would you rather have? Right. Men would prefer like 20 percent male population. That's the ideal. That's the ideal balance we're looking for. Median age is 37 and a half. It's about normal. But they get there in a weird way. Thirty one percent of the people are 35 to 44, which is three times the normal.

Then they have three times the normal kids that are 10 to 17 as well and they have zero percent of people over the age of 75 that makes sense they kill it's like wither and die well no they they on your 75th birthday you're you you're just what is it like ritually beheaded and buried in the desert i feel like that's the way it is out there we can't support you anymore not enough water grandpa take you to tom's and kill you after closing time this is a statistic of a town chock full of sex offenders is what it is this is like a bunch of kids and guys 35 to 44 have heard about it and they're coming there it's like married, but it's three times the divorce rate of normal here. 51% are single with children.

It's normally 10%. 51%. Normally 10%. Think about that. Okay? Not that that's bad, but that's just statistically aberrant. We'll put it that way. Race, 89.5% percent white 0.0 percent black

uh 2.8 percent asian and uh zero percent hispanic jimmy not a one in whitman what it connect okay we've lived in phoenix a long time oh my god there's a couple of mexican people there just a couple several yeah i mean a couple one one or two you think that's wow that just sounds crazy not one in whitman none uh religion in this town 40 religious uh here and uh it's spread around pretty good so there's nobody really no dominant religion here let's see here at all 0.4 percent jewish no there's not really a one seed there's some baptists there's some catholics a pentecostal or two everybody's another yeah seven percent mormon there's it's interesting politics here uh i don't know if this has anything to do with whitman but maricopa county in civilization which is most of the counties in civilization

other than out here who knows they could have all bets are off james that's what i mean they could have voted for dead people out here like i'm voting for evil knavel like who the fuck knows what these people are somebody wrote in kolonapin i guarantee yeah but the rest of uh the county was 50.1% Democrat, 48% Republican, 1.9% Independent. Unemployment rate's about average, but the median household income is not. In the rest of the country, it's like $57,000. Here, median household income is $22,156. Oh, dear God.

Which is so low. And the cost of living, overall, $100,000 is regular. Here, it's $114,000. So it's not even cheap to live here. Housing is $136,000 now. Yeah. Median home cost. Now, keep in mind, $22,000 is your median household income.

$431,400 is the median home cost. It's obscene. Dude, you can't get even in Whitman anymore in Phoenix. It's so expensive. On $20,000, you're supposed to pay for a $400,000 house? Nope. You're supposed to move farther into the desert, I think is the plot of this whole thing.

Go west of Wickenburg. Maybe we've talked you into it. And if we have, we have for you, everyone, the Whitman, Arizona, Real Estate Report. Your average two-bedroom rental here goes, it's like the national average, $1,261 a month, which... Fuck out of here. $22,000 a year is not going to cover that. This is the cheapest place I could find.

Besides, they had little plots of desert that were sort of a little cheaper. And it was just like a plot of dust. This is a two-bedroom, two-bath, 896 square feet. It's a patio home. You know those patio homes out on the west side? Attached to each other? No, no, no. But it's like a freestanding patio home.

Tiny little thing. Bleak as shit. Nothing growing around it. Nothing. Looks very hot. Looks like you'd step out of your house and your yard would be like, oh, God, it's so hot out there to the touch. Not a bit of shade.

$299,000 for this. Oh, God. Okay. $300,000 to live in 800 square feet in Whitman. Wow. Three bedroom, one bath, in 800 square feet in whitman wow three bedroom one bath 1188 square feet it looks like a nightmare from a western like you would be in it with your family and these cowboys would come up and you know rape your wife and slaughter your kids and that would

circle the house kidnap your daughter and you know murder you and you know take you apart with their horses and shit. Looks terrible. Not a blade of grass for many miles. I mean miles. 320 grand for this slice of heaven. Finally, four bedroom, two bath, 2,414 square foot here. New construction. Looks like Arizona. Adobe wood shit. Harness crap over the wine.

Yeah. Typical, just kind of whatever. It has also the RV gate. It has a knife. Um, it's pretty, pretty not good. It's just a new plane house. Yeah. $743,000.

What? Yeah. I don't even know what to say about that. Tim, I'm sitting on a property right now probably worth $12 billion. $12 billion. And he bought it for $130,000 like eight months ago. That's the thing you don't understand about it. It's how quickly the market has gone up.

$700,000. There's no way that's worth that. I hope no one pays. That's terrible. Things to do here. Okay. There is Robson's Ranch and Mining Camp. That's in nearby Wickenburg, which is also a real fucking treasure.

It's a real treat. It's a real gem. An old mining camp. They have a tasty freeze, for Christ's sake. Oh, man. They think it's the 40s still they don't even know they're they're working on it so the first mine here the first claim was in 1917 and uh it's so they have it's one of the oldest and best preserved original mining claims

in arizona you can do uh stunning vista views and saguaro forest you can see that cattle drives views james vista vista views yeah you know what a vista is that's view in spanish that's what i mean they said views view yeah vista views is is white men can't jump ain't no vista and there ain't no views there sure as hell ain't no vista or no views and no vista or whatever the fuck she said and it's fucking great they're both the same words makes no sense i there sure as hell ain't no vista or no views and no vista or whatever the fuck she said and it's fucking great. They're both the same words. Makes no sense. I know.

It makes no sense. Saguaro Forest Cattle Drives, if you have a group event, you can do that. And pistol shooting and horseback riding. And then authentic cowboy games and grub. What cowboy games are you playing? Pharaoh?

What the fuck are you talking about? Play that King game, I'll blow you up that wildcat fat. That's what I mean. I'm only going off of Tombstone and Deadwood here. Playing cards with my brother's kids or something. Poker and Pharaoh. That's what we had. Had to get you to a Pharaoh table. No, I said poker's an honest honest game only fools bet their odds on

fuck yeah so uh the arizona horse carriage and wagon museum i guess um it sounds boring as shit you take a ride in the desert on a fucking if it's under you know 96 degrees i guess that's fine you still better bring i mean otherwise you're just gonna be on fire it's so hot crime rate in this town what we are of course interested in lower than you would think i guess just because everyone's holed up in these trailers minding their own business uh property crime is a little bit under the national average actually which i would expect it to be skyrocketing but I guess there's nothing to steal from anyone else at this point. It's all gone.

Violent crime, murder, rape, robbery, and, of course, assault, the Mount Rushmore of crime, is slightly below the national average as well. Is that right? Absolutely. So I don't know what's going on out there. They're working three jobs to pay for their fucking rent, James. They don't have time to hurt anybody.

Either that or they're on meth just staring out their windows with their fucking, you know, see their hands on next to their eyes going, who's out there? Who's coming? And don't have time to commit crime. That's true. They're trying to stay out of the sun out there. Blaring. Running from bush to bush.

Do you understand? There's no trees in this town. This town, it's a treeless town. It's crazy. You can't imagine. When we say this, people are going to think, oh, this is harsh. You don't know it's not. No.

Everyone in Phoenix, everyone's nodding their heads going, yes, absolutely. The shade there starts hip high. It's just brush. It's just brush. That said, let us talk about a murder. All right. Let's do this. And if we have us talk about a murder. All right. Let's do this. And if we have time at the end, I have an extra murder for you at the end that I want to tell you about.

It's an old-timey 1935 Phoenix murder, and it's fucking hilarious. I need to get into that. But hopefully we'll have time. If not, we'll see how long this goes. But let's go back to 1995. We were both in Arizona. I didn't live in Arizona in 1995. Whitman was much more sparse than it is today.

Oh, yeah. Oh, absolutely. Definitely. Because where you lived didn't exist in 1995, I don't think. It was desert out there. So, yeah, 95, this was when I would go for the summer to see my mom out there, which is, that's when you want to go to Arizona, Really, you want to spend your you want to spend July and August in Phoenix. That's why you go ahead and skip the best times in New York, James, and go to Phoenix.

Go to Phoenix. Yeah. For the worst times. Yeah. Sit in my house for two months. So June 26th, 1995, I would have just gotten off a plane ready for a whole summer. So we got to talk about a man here. 32 years old he is. David Wayne Reynolds, first of all. Okay. He's a plumber, and he does not believe in banks.

These are a couple things that we know about him. He has a couple of children, and his apparently has his wife is deaf and his wife this week is getting a surgery that is going to make her able to hear again. Possibly. So I guess so. Yeah. It's possible she's going to be able to hear. So he's having a good week. Very excited guy.

He stops at a gas station, Jimmy. It's at one hundred and3rd Avenue and Grand. I know exactly where it is. You know exactly where we're talking about. It's just less than a 303. And you got to think about 1995 out there, too. Way less built up. This is just, there's trailers out there.

It's essentially, it's farms and trailers is what exists out there. If that, mostly just dirt roads. Yeah, you're right, actually. Jesus, 95, Phoenix was different. Wide open land dotted with trailers. Yeah. It didn't really blow up, I guess, till that 2000s housing boom. Around 99, 2000, somewhere around there.

Okay, so he's out there, and as one does at a gas station, he finds a woman and starts chatting her up yeah as you do when you're a married man with children and long day of plumbing from time to time you just gotta chat them up stop at a gas station in the middle of nowhere and you see a fine young lady and you go hey what's your name sweetheart how you doing which no we don't know normal people don't do that usually but uh david wayne reynolds though he's doing that um and he's talking to rebecca roars a r-o-h-r-s if you want to spell it there she's 32 years old rebecca so same age you know at least he's not like chatting up a 14 year old or something that's good so they start talking and roars tells reynolds that

she's at the gas station because she's looking for a job and um reynolds says well i know a lot of people that like you know are like you can hire people so what do you do maybe i can help you out and uh she gives him a copy of her resume that she had brought to the gas station. Very well prepared. That's what I mean. First of all, if you walk into a gas station looking for a job and you have a resume, you're hired. They don't even interview you. What are we talking about?

What's your social security number for the paperwork? They don't even. Fill out this W-4 or whatever the fuck it's called. I've worked at gas stations. I never had a resume. I knew a guy, and I'd go in there, and they'd go, you have arms. You can work here. And then they'd put me behind the register, and that was that.

They'd go, will you not steal from me? You're hired. They just go, you know there's cameras all over that register, right? And you go, yep. And then that's it. That's the whole, that's the game. But she brought a resume there, which is impressive. She's getting that job.

Yes, I have worked at gas stations. We've, we're, we're, we're like, we're, we fall in a weird mid range because like comedians are job workers. Well, like, well, obviously we were dumb and we didn't go to college or we didn't have like good educations or like a plan or trade school or any of that shit or a skill or really anything marketable that could make us valuable in the world of, you know, survival and good educations or like a plan or trade school or any of that shit or a skill or really anything marketable that could make us valuable in the world of you know survival and making money so comedians before us like the guys we grew up liking you know what i mean that you know 15 20

years older than us group right like all of those guys most of them and ladies too they started out they weren't like rich they were either poor or middle, and ladies too, they started out, they weren't rich. They were either poor or middle class, and they came up. Jerry Seinfeld told stories about when he first started in New York City, he had an apartment, and he'd wait tables at the lunch shift of a restaurant and then do comedy at night. He'd make $10 for a night of doing eight sets of comedy comedy or whatever and then you know he'd make some tips during the day and that was enough for him to get by yeah like that you know that doesn't exist anymore no you can't go and even like the 80s thing or 90s thing you can't go to la and wait tables and have an apartment and try to make it in showbiz on the side that's not that doesn't exist you

either have to be on only fans or more likely all the comics that you see now that are like that came up after like that are younger than us they're they're all rich kids all those are fucking rich kids because they said i can move to la not have like a real job have time to do the comedy and survive making no money in comedy for 10 fucking years before i'm that's you have to be a rich you know and when you talk to them they are too yeah that was never us we were if it wasn't for this we would be very in a bad place we'll put it that way yeah stuck in a bad marriage because they can't afford to leave it that's what i mean bad marriage bad jobs all that shit so anyway uh roars gives reynolds a copy of her resume says maybe you can help me and they exchange phone numbers uh he also gives her his

beeper number in case there's a you know i don't know she really has something an addendum to that resume she needs to throw in there oh by the way i worked at the gap from 89 to 90 so make sure you put that in there so um at some point in the conversation this seems like a pretty you know hey how's it going you know i don't know i'm all right how are you yeah one of the more casual ass conversation yeah it takes a less casual turn at some point when Reynolds says, you know, if you're really looking for a job, I got a job you might want to do. Oh, gross. And he offers to pay her for a blowjob. Why do we always do that? It goes from, she has a resume.

Like, she's not out there like, I don't know, I just really need money. goes from she has a resume like she's not out there like i don't know i'm just really need money like she has a resume like she's obviously looking for a job where she does something legitimate for a taxable income and he's like i'll pay you to fuck your face how about some under the table under the table no i'm saying you give me something under table i'll give you something right back it's all under the table so she says no thank you i'm okay i brought a resume so i'm really like looking for a job i'm gonna go home now but thanks for the offer and i have your info and you have mine in case something comes up i need gas money something non-sexual i'm looking for yeah that's one of the job requirements really did i mention that that was not a sex job here i understand that anybody who's paid attention to the media would have to come to the conclusion that i killed my wife hi my name is zack stewart

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And he's a guy named Michael Joe Murdaugh. Murdaugh. M-U-R-D-A-u-g-h yeah which just makes me think of murtaugh which just makes me want to call him roger so it's really fucking difficult that that uh lawyer in south carolina was murdoch murdoch yeah murdoch murdoch which with the ch with a c murtaugh that's murdoch but but his last name spelled with a gh and they his name supposedly murdoch no it's not well this guy might be murdoch too then it may be murdoch we don't know that's i mean it could be murdoch either way the first letters of his word are m

are you are first letters of his last name are m urd so something crazy is going to happen with the whole thing you just know that's going to be murder we don't know actually the first five letters are murder so in a town population 666 this shit's about to go off the rail what up michael joe murder 666 bitches what's up whitman represent so michael joe murder we're calling him murder now that's his name michael 666, bitches. What's up? Whitman. Represent. So, Michael Joe Murda. We're calling him Murda now. That's his name.

Michael Joe Murda. Which it might be. Maybe the UGH is silent. That's also a possibility. It's Murda. Michael Murda. Mike Murda. He's 41 years old. He's a little older than Rebecca.

But they live together in this apartment in Whitman, which, you know, that's going to be beautiful. Or not an apartment. They have a house, as we'll talk about. Now, she gets home, and she's like, oh, yeah, I just went to the gas station to apply there, and I've been around. Dude fucking offered me money to blow him while I was there. Isn't that crazy?

Like, I was giving him my resume, and he's like, yeah, what's up with that? So Murda gets upset about it sure he goes who the fuck did this he goes this who the fuck bubble blonde he's like you have his number all right let's teach this motherfucker a lesson he says he goes all right here's what i need you to do he goes listen rebecca contact him fucking you have his pager number page him page him he if he wants you to blow him he's obviously in these so right page his ass and tell him to come over to the house invite him over like you're like you know hey you don't have to pay for it but we can hang out right we'll party

so he she does something here she pages him he calls back, immediately. And she invites him, and she says, come over and party with us, me and my friend Betty, a woman named Betty Gross. We're both over here. Why don't you come party? So if you're trolling for, you know, paid blowjobs in a rural gas station parking lot, if some chick calls you and says, me and my friend want to party, you are going to be in your car before i mean you're not even that page the phone's dangling off a fucking hook somewhere by the court and he's in the car with a dust cloud behind him as he peeled out so he's going there and the mentality of this too like she wouldn't let me pay her for a blow job but now she want her and her friend want to fuck me for free and party but who knows in a desperate uh guy's mind you you see in public a little risky

but she got home she got comfortable she called a friend told her friend her friends like yo that's hot let's both blow him so then they page me i'm on my way dude i get it but do you see how pathetic the horny man's mind is like the hornier we are the less logic you know what i'm saying like if he we can create a situation that doesn't fucking exist in the hopes that it fucking exists yeah exactly she can go out of our way hoping that it exists and we'll stick around uh still hoping until the sun goes down and somebody says we're tired we're going to bed oh that situation doesn't exist i guess it's not well maybe they want me to go to bed with them

you never know but she could have been when you throw it out there should i come with you uh rebecca could have invited this guy over and said hey i need you to fix my septic tank seriously you got to get like elbow deep in my fucking in my old fetid shit can you do that for me and he'd be like she's gonna fuck me while i'm there i bet she's she's gotta say that so it doesn't look like a come on but it's her and her friend i'm getting a threesome you that's what i say she did say come over and get elbow deep in my shit i mean you know what that means i think you know what that means i think paul calhoun from crime and sports. Don't tell us what that means.

So, but that's our minds. That's how it is. It's like, we might be able to, even though I'm being used for labor and I'm going to be covered in feces, I think two women are going to want to fuck me. That's how we think. Psychotic.

It's psychotic. It's, it's diabolical. Every guy out there knows we're fucking serious. They know exactly it's true. And they can think of a time that they did it too. Every guy. Think of a situation where you had no chance of getting laid, but you convinced yourself in your mind that it was possible some corner of the universe.

And you wished upon a star in that corner of that universe and you tried to do it and you did some terrible thing some bad manual labor or some awful shit you help somebody move or you like you you you i don't know paid for someone's kid for three years whatever the hell it is and then you stuck around till 1 a.m and then you drove home thinking about how you got to be up in four hours to go to work, and then crying on your way home. Not necessarily tears, but certainly pouting, saying, I can't believe I did it again. I did it again, and then you'll be there that night as well.

You betcha. With food. I brought dinner. I brought a pizza. We've all done it, I'm telling you. So she says, you know, come on by. So she says, you know, come on by. And when he returns the call, by the way, Mike Murda is standing nearby, like kind of like coach.

You're like, tell him to come over and tell him, tell him your friends here. Yeah, Betty, you're going to fuck him. Yeah. One's going to be on his face once. You know how to do it. OK, you say you guys will kiss. You guys are going to kiss. Well, yeah.

You know what I mean? It's going to be good. It's going to be. Yeah. gonna be yeah you're gonna make like a yeah yeah that's right yeah tell him about that part yeah tell him about the your friend's got piercings tell her tell him he might be into that he can use betty as a periscope to see inside your tonsils yeah tell him tell him i'm telling you he's gonna be in that sort of thing so enter jesse design yeah d-e-z-a-r-n which his name if you take out two letters is darn so you know what this guy's you know he's fucked too you know he's doomed to some dumb shit that he's gonna do because he's got darn in his name so So he's 36, Jesse Dizarn.

And so after this call, Rebecca sets up the date with Reynolds. Come on by. We're going to party. So Myrta and his friend, because his friend Jesse's there as well. Dizarn is seeing this all play out. There's no Betty. There is a Betty, actually. Is she there too?

She'll come into this. She'll enter. Betty is not a made-up person, which it sounds like she just made up a Betty, but there's actually going to be a friend there, which I don't know why. She's like watching the Flintstones. Say it's Betty. Say it. Betty. Betty.

I mean. Betty Rumble. No, don't say that. No, fuck. Jesus Christ. Not White. Not Rumble. What the fuck?

Whatever. Betty Boop. Say Boop. Fuck it fuck it just say betty poop he sounds dumb he tried to get a woman to blow him with a resume at a gas station he's not the brightest ball probably so they uh instruct um uh okay there we go jesse and murder mike murder and jesse here they go all right so you got it all set up cool we're gonna we'll be back in a minute we're gonna go get some meth yeah first of all yeah well i mean you have whatever i get that there's things that come up in your life but you need to get meth in between them obviously this is whitman arizona jimmy what are you what are we talking about so we're gonna teach a lesson to a man while they're meth-fueled? Possibly. Now, Whitman now, there are people that are moving to Whitman now who this whole description does not fit them.

They work. They got a job in Phoenix or something, and they need to be in driving distance of Phoenix, and that's the closest place they can afford. That's a different thing. There's a goddamn Google out west now, and there are people coming from silicon valley they're gonna be seriously disappointed so show up here from mountain view and they're like what the fuck is this in 1995 the only reason to be in whitman was to do meth out of view of polite society that was the only reason to do a criminal yeah no one cares what you do out there just do it so um they leave to um to to get meth and they tell rebecca that um and by the way betty shows up at this point betty gross her friend and they say as soon as reynolds gets here page me this is

they all have pagers which is fucking hilarious it's very 1995 sure it's page me when he gets here and also he says make sure this reynolds doesn't leave before we get back because we're going to be all messed up and it's going to be perfect so it's going to be a perfect time to you know teach him a lesson here and play a trick on him so um anyway there you go so 15 minutes after reynolds gets there reynolds gets there and he's like, Hey, you know, how's it going ladies? Like here's the party. He thinks he walked into a gift.

Yeah. He walks into a house with two chicks just as advertised. And he's like, damn, awesome. Brought my penis. Got that. He's like, he's starting to, I mean, 15 minutes into it. You're like, I'm getting sex soon. Yeah.

The only question is, am I getting some likeze or some food or something like that before I'm going to be elbow deep? Instead, 15 minutes into it, when he's just starting to get relaxed, Murdaugh and Jesse Dizarn bust into the house brandishing firearms. With guns. Oh, Jesus. They just blaze through the front door guns out what's up motherfucker and they start immediately they don't come in and like because if you were a stranger you might think it was like a robbery a home invasion or something but they go right to him uh they leave the girls alone point guns at him and murder starts shouting

demanding to know why what makes you think you can treat Rebecca quote like a whore oh my god meanwhile he made this guy he made Rebecca page this guy to invite him over to have a threesome with her fucking friend but don't treat her like a don't treat my

skank like a whore that's what he just said like in his brain that's what he was thinking only I can treat her like a whore no's what he just said like in his brain that's what he was thinking only i can treat her like a whore no one else can leave if i want to sell her ass that's my prerogative but no one else gonna do it yeah but my situation she's a fake whore and that makes me a gentleman that means i'm actually a nice guy get it it's called whitman desert meth logic don't you understand nothing jesus gotta explain everything to these fucking people god damn i was talking to him i gotta explain everything to these dumb motherfuckers they

don't get shit fake whoring is chivalry that's chivalry fake pimping actually now she was fake whoring i was fake pimping that's how it works i was fake making her whore which makes me a fake pimp which makes that chivalry that's actually honestly it's it's it's harkens back to a different time a gentler time a kinder time when people were were nicer to each other in general i feel like so they're continuing to wave firearms around and all this shit. They yell at him and they keep yelling at him. Now, Gross and Roars, the two ladies, Betty and Rebecca, Betty and Becky decide they are going to leave the house here. They leave the house. They don't leave the house because they're horrified by what's going on. house because they're horrified by what's going on right they leave the house because reynolds drove there in his plumbing van and they're gonna loot the plumbing van for anything of you know

that you could sell for out of it yeah well yeah that cop tools he's probably got a ton of tools tools or oh boy uh crackheads love stealing tools because they sell quick i mean especially if they're good and heavy plumbing tools are super heavy a working person who needs tools they don't give a fuck where they came from they need tools and it's at a price that they need to get expensive absolutely and that's they they sell quick you can go up to a goddamn you're a crackhead you can go up to a construction site with tools and sell them in two seconds people will fucking buy them uh for cash money so they're going through looting his truck the two ladies while uh rey Reynolds remains in the house with the two men who continue to yell at him about his unchivalrous actions while pointing a gun in his face. So you uncivilized bastard.

I had to get all messed up to do this. So at this point, Mike Murda ordersnolds to empty his pockets onto the coffee table fucking turn them inside out motherfuckers so he empties his pockets onto the coffee table and he's got uh somewhere between 180 and 200 bucks in cash that's because he doesn't believe in banks so he keeps kind of his role on him at all times there um so at some point during this mike murda picks the money up and puts it in his pocket sometime in the in the proceedings that are about to happen here so during all this mike murda he comes out onto the porch and uh this is while the two ladies betty and beck, are unloading shit out of the plumbing van.

And they're just, I mean, they got it all laid out on the side. Yeah, indiscriminately. Just throwing it around. Pulling it all out. He, Mike Murda's like, you dumb bitches, he yells at them. Tells them what, I'm serious, tells them, neither one of you are wearing fucking gloves. God damn it. You're not wearing fucking you gotta wear gloves you touched you fingerprint laying dumb bitches but you know what i won't

call you a whore because i'm a gentleman i'm a sweetheart so he's angry at him meanwhile he's pimped his girlfriend and screamed dumb bitches across the fucking dirty. Across the front dirt. Nice. Nice guy this Mike Murda is. So he's yelling at them for not wearing gloves. He told them, you left fingerprints everywhere. Jesus, am I the only one who's good at crime in this entire fucking household? The answer is yes.

Then he says, and the quote is, quote, do you know what I'm going to have to do now? Which is frightening from a messed up guy who's done what he's done so far. My answer would be no. Tell me. Don't show me. Tell me. I don't think I want to know, but no, I don't know what you have to do now.

So then he says god damn it and he tells betty and becky wipe all the shit clean wipe all the equipment that you've taken out clean um and put it all back in the van okay so there's that put it all back in the van everything you did wipe it all down back in the fucking van which i don't know why he's putting it back in the van so now if you're reynolds you're hearing this from inside the house you got to be like holy shit what's he got to do what's he got to do and by the way this is late june it's fucking hot out oh it's so hot it's hot at night then i mean out there though uh that back then out there it would cool down in the

desert at night probably to 85 or, but not much lower than that. In June? I think lower than that because way out there in the desert, now we have that – there's that heat island now, but it wasn't like that in 90. There was a huge buffer of desert between Whitman and the city back then, so it probably cooled down a little, but it's still hot. It's dusty. It's still so awful. Every breeze, by the way, puts on your mouth you get that in your teeth and on your your lips always feel like there's a coating of something on them there's

no outdoor outdoor picnicking you will you will chew dust oh yeah you're like i like how you i like i like how you sanded the hors d'oeuvres they're very nice thank you for sanding my sandwich i didn't realize that that was the part that was the sand it's a sandwich yeah i made you a ham and sand it's very good you're gonna enjoy it kids bologna and sand for you i know y'all love bologna would you like a ham sand oh that sounds great no bread i just dropped it in the yard i dropped it right down face down i like sand salad. That's my favorite one when we go out. So anyway, here's all this. Now, while they're doing this shit in the van, Mike Murda asks Rebecca, do me a favor, would you?

Bring me a baseball bat. Okay, so this isn't great here. So Roars, Rebecca, Becky brings a – Becky, let's be casual here. We need to be informal with Becky. Becky brings in the bat to the house, and Mike Murda asks her, Hey, Becky, want to take a swing at Reynolds' head with that? Oh, God. Any good at baseball take a cut for the violation of saying i would love to kindly pay you whatever money for a blow job i mean that's

not good you know like it's not nice if i was like in a store and i came out and someone was propositioning my girlfriend to pay her for a blow job we'd probably be fighting i would assume at that point but if she came home after the fact i wouldn't be like invite him over you know what i'm saying i'm gonna tee off on his on his fucking weave in my front in my living room this is this is extreme i think this is crazy so becky says no i don't want to say i don't want to beat him with a baseball bat and uh she's like, I got a torn shoulder thing. It's going to hurt. You got to separate his shoulder a little.

She doesn't want to take part in that. So Myrna then asks Betty, Betty, Betts, any interest with you? We can take a swing, take a cut here. She says, I'm good. Thank you. No football injuries. I'm out. I came for like meth and, you know, a little party,

but I didn't come to beat people with a baseball bat so at about 11.30pm this is hours have gone by there's like two and a half hours Reynolds is just sitting there they take turns like holding him at bay with a gun and they're like fucking with him and

you know talking shit to him and all this shit so at about 11.30 Becky Mike Murda Jesse Dazarn and Betty Gross talking shit to him and all this shit so at about 11 30 becky mike murda uh jesse dezarn and betty gross they're like let's eat dinner so they eat dinner yeah they just eat a dinner there um with reynolds sitting there off to the side like they don't feed they don't give him any dinner yeah i think give him a dinner at that you know right might as well if you're gonna eat in front of them really i think the guy's learned at that, you know, right? Might as well. If you're going to eat in front of him.

Really, I think the guy's learned his lesson, too. You took $200 off him. I'm going to say he's learned his lesson. Scared the living shit out of him, for sure. I don't think he's going to ask anybody for blowjobs. He's going to watch who he propositions for blowjobs. It's like Night Shift, where they beat that guy like half to death in the alley, and he's like, next time watch out whose car you sit on.

That's what it is. They get it. He gets it. He'll never put his ass on the car you sit on. That's what it is. They get it. He gets it. He'll never put his ass on the hood again. Ever. This is never, ever. So they all eat dinner. Once they do, when they're eating dinner, after they're done eating dinner, Mike Murda takes Reynolds and leads him into his detached garage.

They have a detached three-bay garage. Wow. Le leads him into that now uh jesse disarm design still has a gun and he's walking behind reynolds like you know go forward mister doing one of those once they get inside the garage mike murda says okay reynolds this is what you're gonna do get in the trunk of my Buick. Oh, boy. Okay, there's a Buick in the garage. Get in the trunk.

I need you to get in there so I can, quote, figure things out. You want me to take a time out in there? So this is some meth behavior. I don't know what to do. My mind is racing and swirling. I can't look at you because this is putting more pressure on me you get in there and then i can that's you're away and now i can just probably deal with the voices in my head about this whole fucking thing right this is um so you're frightened if you're reynolds i would imagine these fucking crackheads so he's gonna figure things out now

throughout this whole procedure uh mike murda design betizarn, Betty and Becks here, all of them, they keep coming in and out of the garage to do more meth. And by the way, they're shooting meth. They're not. Wow. This is dead serious meth. Yeah, this isn't let's go fucking snort a line or even smoking it off some tinfoil. This is like serious. We are jamming this right into our veins hardcore

meth action here so they keep doing that uh meth throughout the night so the early morning hours come around oh god he's been in the trunk for four hours he's still in the trunk mind you give you 20 for a blow that's his i mean like i said shitty thing to do not this is all overkill yeah so um the early morning this day uh jesse and and murda uh they agree that we need to get rid of this van okay because this van is sitting in this driveway if anyone's looking for him this van's a pretty good indicator of where he is so until we figure out what we're doing we need to get rid of this van and get it off our property so they do that they decide to ditch it near the whitman cemetery that's the plan and ditch it by the whitman cemetery um murda murda he leads the way in his

van and or in his truck and uh design follows in the plumbing van. So they abandon the van on Cemetery Road, and they start to drive back to the house now. On the way, they stop for gas in Whitman, obviously. You know, so you probably got a guzzler, I'm thinking. This isn't the Buick. This is another vehicle. So while at the gas station, they run into a friend of theirs named Ron Jesse. So there's two guys named Jesse in this thing, one with a first name, one with a last name. They say to Jesse, hey, we're looking for some meth.

What's up with that? And Jesse's like, no problem. Let's fucking meth it up here. Let's go back to the house. It's going to be awesome. Let's go make a meth. Let's go make a meth. Let's go make a meth. Yeah, let's do it.

So from there, Dizarn and Jesse, so Jesse and Jesse, went to get more meth with money that this is the money that. Yeah. Yeah. So there you go. Now, after they get back, the Jesses get back with meth. They and Roger Murda lock themselves in the garage no one can get in so they could shoot up so they're gonna hog all this meth no don't let bets and becks in on this right so while they're in the garage murda tells the jesse that he from

the gas station here uh he says oh man this fucking asshole asked my girlfriend if she would blow him for fucking money and so i had her page him and tells him the whole goddamn story right and this guy's like holy shit he goes well what happened and he goes he's right here in the trunk of this buick like you did what and the guy's like holy are you fucking kidding me you still have this guy and he's in the goddamn truck? And then you hear banging on the thing. He's like, oh my God. So he's like, this is fucking crazy, man. Wow, this is fucked up.

So yeah, it's like Reservoir Dogs now. This is very Reservoir Dogs with meth. That's what was missing from Reservoir Dogs was meth when they were all in there. Imagine how much that would have taken the stakes up if they were all methed out, like Tim Roth is laying there. Even him with a hole in his stomach.

Just ripped. Michael Madsen methed up as shit. Yeah. Harvey Keitel already sounds like he's on meth. I mean, put him on meth and you would have gotten a lot. That would have been amazing. It's a good shot. You're not going to shoot him.

You're not going to shoot him. You're not going to shoot this young You're not going to shoot him. You're not going to shoot this young man. You'd be freaking out. Chewing on his molars. Oh, Jesus. Scratching, picking. Oh, boy. Fucking Chris Penn can't fucking act.

God damn it. He's just angry. So at about 8.30 a.m. here, so this is all night this has been going on, Mike Murda opens the door to the garage and allows Betts and Becks, who are still awake, to join them. They've had their fun in here now. Let's go. We're going to shoot, and then they all shoot up.

There we go. Hey, let's all have a party. They're all mething out here. So that's a party. That's what you do when you're having fun with your friends. You're mething out. Hey, it's fun. So they open the trunk at this point to show their friend that they've brought over here, the guy with the meth. I swear to God, here he is in the trunk. See, here's the guy. Reynolds at this point says, I need to go to the bathroom. I've been in the trunk all night. Like, this is crazy.

I need to go to the bathroom. So Murda's like, fuck, what do we do now? Do we let him out to go to the bathroom? I guess we let him out to go to the bathroom. I don't know. We don't really want to have pee everywhere, I guess. Yeah, that's a good answer. They let him out of the trunk and they lead him to the corner of the garage in the back,

but not outside the garage, which I don't understand. Still inside the garage? You might as well. I don't understand what the deal is. You might as well say pee in the trunk. He pees in the garage, which is, that's how much meth they're on. They're like, no, don't let anybody see us outside. Do it right there.

Do it right here in the garage. It's fine. So he takes him to the garage. And this is at gunpoint, too. Take him to the corner of the garage. So this guy, they're like, piss into that corner. So he starts pissing into the corner. While he's doing that, Mike Murda grabs nearby.

There is a large nylon meat tenderizer nearby a nylon one yeah like a plastic i've seen that the ones that aren't metal or wood there's like a just all the really hard plastic yes they're like a yeah like a kitchen tool heart but they're fucking vicious it's dense as fuck oh my god yeah it's hugely dense it's like way like it's like a transmission that's what it feels like you could just so um anyway uh this guy reynolds is pissing in the corner mike murda takes the nylon meat tenderizer and wails reynolds in the head with it oh my god so obviously reynolds crumbles to the floor here probably with a crushed skull i would imagine um you probably don't need to do much more than bash someone real hard with a metal

with a big meat tenderizer pretty well that's enough murdaugh though looks at the situation and he goes huh this meat tenderizer i could probably i mean i don't think it's good enough i think i need to put it down and find something better to do this with so he puts it down looks around the garage picks up a metal jackhammer spike what the oh boy yeah that goes in the end yes a jackhammer you see a guy on the road working the piece on the end that that you know pierces through the concrete right picks up one of those huge heavy metal spike basically and basically takes it and hits reynolds as much as he can in the face and head with this thing while he's on the ground already complete unconscious

and possibly deceased from being bashed over the head with a meat tenderizer he continues to do this um i mean repeatedly it's not five six times it's a lot like he's on a show he just shot up meth like eight times all night he's in a garage his he's all paranoid and all this shit he's bashing him at some point during this he stops and he's like, man, and there's also, you know, getting particles all over everywhere. Yeah. Blood, brain pieces of him. So he says, shit, I got to fix this. So what he does is he gets a nylon, like a nylon bag, a green nylon bag that he has, like, yes, for like yard clippings type one of those type of things, and puts it over Reynolds' head and ties it. And he's like, there we go. And then he continues to beat him with the spike after that.

That's better. Now, if anything comes out, I got it all in there. It's like mixing a salad with the lid on. You know what I mean? Like when you flatten a chicken breast. Exactly. Well, yeah, when you're shaking bacon something, that's what it is. I'm shaking bacon a pork chop here.

I just put it in the bag. Boom. That's what he's doing. So he continues to do this. There's major crushing blows to the skull. Of course, yeah. Caved in his skull, obviously resulting in his death here. So after this, after he's done, uh, murder just leaves him lying there, leaves Reynolds lying face down in the garage with the bag tied over his head.

Leaves him there, walks back to the group. Everybody's in the garage. Everybody witnessed this. I mean, this is a crazy thing to see. No one knew this was going to happen like that. Um, so he then tells the girls, Hey,cks do me a favor get some horse manure yeah okay some horse manure we've never heard that we've heard a lot of dismounts uh as far as after murders go and like oh this is how i'm going to cover it we've never heard anybody start with with get the horse manure um he said take this horse manure and sprinkle it over his body and

on the blood surrounding the body like it's sawdust with puke you know like a cat litter in a garage yeah like a kid puked in the fucking cafeteria in the fourth grade and they kind of came in with sawdust that's what this is. So they apparently do that. They sprinkle shit atop of him and all over the blood and everything. I don't know why he thinks shit is going to soak it up, but okay. It's mostly grass. I suppose. So they leave him there for the rest of the day.

They just leave him there in the corner. Just, all right, I got things to do. I mean, at some point the day end of the day it has to come you know what i mean top five scum right that's a scummy murder well if you think of it about it all and it's in its totality yeah it really is because you think about whitman number one um you know let's invite him over here this is really going out of your way yeah and then i don't know if he ever i don't think he ever i don't know if he what his intentions were is the

other thing because i don't know if he knew what his intentions were because his intentions were fueled by intermittent intravenous meth use so it's right it's very hard to say like you know and the amount of of weapons have changed so many times already yeah he's like well this is this uh this is easier to use i'll put this bag on his head none of it's logical is the other thing it's all very scattershot so it's really scummy though if you consider and especially he has no shame He did this in front of four other people, including his girlfriend. For the egregious violation of pitching a business proposition to a woman that wasn't in that business. Yeah, yeah, that's true. That would be like if someone offered you to play point guard for the Cavaliers.

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getting gas he didn't have this wasn't part of his plans he was getting gas saw his friend the guy was like got any meth he's like let's party you're right i got money can you get meth cool and then next thing you know this night has unfolded. He had a quarter of a tank and facilitated meth use and now has seen a murder. Seen terrible things. Yeah. So he tries to go, but he can't get off the property because the gate is locked. Oh, God, Jesus.

So he's trapped in there. So he is like, he has to wait for Murda, Mike Murda, to unlock the gate. Murda approaches Jesse while he's waiting for the gate to be unlocked and threatens him. Threatens him, and I'm talking this is like a Mike Tyson level threat. This is crazy. I'm going to fuck your face. Oh, no. I'm sure this Jesse guy would welcome that compared to what he says he's going to do.

I'm going to barbecue your children welcome that compared to what he says he's going to do. I'm going to barbecue your children. It's close, but worse. All right. He says, if you tell anybody what happened out there, I'm going to gather your whole family up. I'm going to kill you last and make you watch me, quote, peel the skin off your children. Holy fuck. So he threatens to skin his children alive in front of him if he says anything, which is a threat. Watch me, quote, peel the skin off your children. Holy fuck.

So he threatens to skin his children alive in front of him if he says anything, which is a that's a threat. I believe him. After what I've just seen, I think this guy's capable of. I don't know if he's capable of organizing everybody into one room like that. But if he gets us all in there, I think he's capable of anything. So after he threatens him, Jesse says, oh, absolutely. I don't want my children to be skinned alive. So sure, I won't say anything. No problem.

So that's when Mike opens up the gate and says, all right, you can go then. Keep in mind, remember, skin your children as he's waving. Bye. And then he honks, beep, beep, and they wave. So it's very, very friendly. so it's very very friendly so at the time at all of this um uh through all of this uh murda at this point mike murda realizes that he and jesse you know what in our in our rage and our meth haze we didn't we forgot plum forgot that we left a bunch of shit in that van that's gonna show that it's reynolds van right now they don't really realize about like things like vin numbers and stuff and

eventually they'll figure out whose van it is but he they're like he's got like stuff in there we should take all the stuff and make sure they don't know where the fuck what van this is which like i said this is meth logic. This is not good logic here at all. So Mike Murda then tells Jesse Dizarn and Rebecca Roars to go get all the shit from the van. Okay, go get everything. So Dizarn comes back with a couple of pagers, a wallet, identification papers, all sorts of shit like, a wallet, identification papers,

all sorts of shit like that, glove compartment stuff, registration. And he brings it back to the house with old Becky. So later on in that night, keep in mind, Reynolds is still dead in the corner with a nylon bag over his head and a bunch of horse shit sprinkled over him. So that's what's going on there. is heading a bunch of horse shit sprinkled over him. So that's what's going on there. So at some point, Mike and Jesse Dizarn load Reynolds' body into the front right compartment of Mike Murda's horse trailer.

Okay. They load him into that. The guy's got a horse trailer and jackhammer bits. He's got a lot. He's got so much shit and a three car detached he's killing it out there well he seemed well back then you could get that in whitman for nothing that would be eighty thousand dollars for a house five acres he seems like the type of guy in my in my mind and i'm not sure if exactly when it happened but he seems like a type of guy who

was like had his own construction business and was doing well and then got really into meth. And now he doesn't have a business anymore, but he still has all the tools and the house that he had when he had. Yeah. When he had it all. And it's certainly going to fall apart if he doesn't murder this guy anyway, I think. It's not going well. No. He's been up for.

Have you heard the word sleep mentioned once in here, by the way? We're talking. This is like 36 hours into the story. Not even a nap. Not a nap. We didn't hear that. And then when it started, it wasn't like everyone just woke up and then this happened. They've all been up. It happened, it started at night.

They were up for a long time. So it's crazy. So anyway, they load him into the front right compartment of a horse trailer and i just thought of something if you're like from another country where there's not a lot of horses i don't know if uh united states western horse trailer yeah picture a trailer you trail behind your car you drag it it's got a big compartment for the horse like a stall basically and in front of the horse stall are like places i guess where you'd keep like you know horse stuff and it depends sometimes the the the stalls come all the way up to the front so the

horse's head is right there but you've got like storage right underneath that underneath him yeah and there's a divider in the middle so you can put two fucking horses up there and make them claustrophobic just fold them in there driven like on the highway out west, driving from like Phoenix to L.A. or something. You've seen many of these horse trailers. They're cute little horse faces popping out those bars. The horse ass sticking out the end there. So there's compartments for stuff there. And this is where they stuff the corpse of Mr. Reynolds here.

It is into the front right compartment of the horse trailer. So then Mike tells Becky to clean up the blood and the shit in the garage. She's getting ordered around to do a lot of stuff, by the way. Sure is. Like, all the things he's asked her to do tonight are way less offensive than asking to pay for a blowjob. At least he's getting cash. Yeah, and I'm'm sorry but even me i would rather give a

blowjob than do any of the things i've been told to do tonight any as long as it's for money especially if it's for money right god it's for cash i'm not i'm not cheap i'm not a floozy i'm just saying but if you're gonna pay me all the rest of this is just like the reward is i get to fuck that guy who just made me do all this shit yeah and hopefully he won't go to prison now like that's right so anyway uh tells her clean up all the shit in the garage i'm going camping okay hasn't slept in days, Jimmy. Going camping. Wow, this is one of the wildest fucking tales of anything here. So he's going camping. So he leaves with his horses in the horse trailer.

He's got his dog. He loads up like a full deal and pulls. So that means he's got a truck big enough to pull all this, too. Yeah, he's got a lot of cool stuff, basically. He's got horses, James. He's got a lot big enough to pull all this, too. Yeah, he's got a lot of cool stuff, basically. He's got horses, James. He's got a lot of money to take care of those. I figured if he had the horse shit, he must have had horses, unless he just... Unless you shovel it from a friend.

Yeah, just my friend let me borrow some. You know how it is. I said, can I get a couple of cups of poop? Luckily, he had it. Can I get two tablespoons of poop from you? He needed flour last week, so I don't think it's that big of a deal so he does all this and it's after midnight he pulls off to drive that's when i leave to go camping after midnight by the way as well yeah depends on how long it takes to load up yeah when i haven't slept in at least 40 hours that's when i go so he goes to his campsite it's

way out in yavapai county about a half hour outside of Prescott. So it's like it's out there. That's, you know, out in the pine forest. Oh, I'll bet you it's up up up Yarnell Hill. I know exactly where he went. I guarantee it. He went up to 60 right up Yarnell Hill. There you go. Jimmy's got his murder bug and getaway, his murder dismount all planned out.

I'm going to go up to 60 right up to yarnel hill that's all i'm doing if jimmy if anyone around jimmy by the way law enforcement or anybody if anyone around jimmy goes missing don't look right up to 60 off yarnel hill because that's not where he put him i'm on your side jimmy i'm not telling them to come get you obviously i got my murder whereabouts going right now that's all unless he was last unless i was i'm missing and i was last seen with him then look off the 60 by arnell hill so that's where i might be so he gets to the campsite and he's like okay here we go got my dog here nothing better than camping out in the out in the wilderness with your dog and your and your horse yeah it makes you feel like you're in the old west sitting by a fire with a with a

horse standing nearby that's every damn movie i ever saw feels so good sitting there cooking beans in the can on the fire listening absolutely that's it that's right this is the life right here that's my boy you know how many stars are in the sky right now for him? Oh, God. It's a blanket of them. That's one thing about Arizona. If you go far out into the middle of nowhere, the stars are amazing. It's incredible.

It's like they're right there. It's really wild. It's crazy. So like nothing I've seen before. I'm sure there's nicer places. But as far as I've seen at night, it's as good as it gets. I'm sure there's nicer places, but as far as I've seen at night, it's as good as it gets. It's also bizarre because Phoenix and the surrounding valley area is so fucking flat.

Then you get up into those mountains and you feel like you're closer to the stars anyway. Yeah, you do anyway. And then at night, then they come out and then you're like, I'm way up here. I can reach out and fucking grab it. But maybe that's it because you're 7,000 feet in elevation when you get to Flagstaff and around that area. So he is sitting there. He's got all these things, his beans, everything. All is right with the world, except there's one thing different than normally when you do this and you'd be relaxed. He's got a corpse still he has to deal with that he brought with him, which is a strange guest for the camping.

So he's got this corpse, and he doesn't know what to do with it. So he's got to figure it out. So what do you do with it while you camp? I mean, you're camping. What do you do? Well, if you catch a fish, you got it right. Yeah. You know, if you shoot an elk, what do you do with it?

You know, you field dress it and got a field dress it. So what he decides to do, he said, I am going to dismember this guy right here at my campsite. It's a nice night. I got the stars to work with. It's a real deal. So first thing he's like, first thing, got to cut off his head because I always wanted to do that probably. And I just said in the beginning we don't make jokes about someone's cutting somebody's head off. But this particular asshole, I feel like in him he was like, hmm, I don't know.

Well, I think I'll do it this way. He has to take it apart for no reason. Like meth people do. Whether it's the engine of an 87 Honda Civic or a guy from the gas station that you've murdered with a jackhammer spike. You need to take him apart to see what's inside. Or a projection TV. Yeah. Last week, Mike probably tried to wrench his own head off to see what was inside of it and how it worked. So he does this. He said he needed to do this so he couldn't identify him. No one could identify him. So he cuts off his head first. Then he cuts off also his hands, and there he goes.

So he's like, okay, I got my hands. I got my head. Here we are. Got everything I need. Then he says, wait a second, though. The hands, if someone finds the hands, they're going to be able to identify him. So I cut the hands off, and this was his thought, too. He's like, this is, in my mind, his thought anyway.

I can't be positive, but I feel like he's like this is in my mind his thought anyway i'm not i can't be positive but i feel like he's like so i cut his hands off but now his hands are just like the rest of his body so if i didn't care about his hands being found i should have just left him with the rest of the body because the hands got the same amount of uh chance of getting found as the rest of the body like i think that's what he was thinking so he said all right here's what i'll do and he slices all the finger pads off the fingers, like where your fingerprints are. Right. He slices all that off, just chops off those pieces of the finger. And he's like, okay, did that.

Ah, shit, you know what else I got to do? These fucking teeth in the head. Yeah, I cut the head off, but if they find the head, they're going to find the teeth. They're going to figure them out that way. Do have some pliers in the truck, though. Oh, my God. So he takes this head that he's cut off, and he has to, because, you know, they're anchored in there pretty good. Yeah, you got to hold it like a Heisman.

He's got a clutch in his arms there. He's got him in a headlock that's only his head and yanks out all of his teeth with with a plier dear lord one by fucking one yeah each one yanks them all out and he gathers up the finger pads and the teeth and hangs on to them puts them in his pocket for later okay he's got to get rid of those um so he then drives away along the forest service road where he's going to try to find a spot to bury this guy um oh but after that too he also uh slices i believe um yes he slices him in half as well so make it for easier storage okay yeah so uh you know at the waist not down the middle yeah not down the middle

you know that would have been way more difficult you never know people might think about it you never know so he as he's driving he throws the teeth and the finger pads out like one by one on the you know out into the side of the road as he's going. So no one will find those, I guess. And drives along the road out there. Now, he takes the head and the hands in one shallow grave. I don't think he cut him down the middle. I'm sorry. He keeps head and hands he's got, and then he's got body separately.

He digs two shallow graves that are nearby each other. This makes no sense. This is meth logic. Digs a shallow grave, buries the head and the hands together in one place, then buries the rest of the body close nearby in another shallow grave. Meanwhile, he's covered in blood. Oh, he's got to be covered in blood. I mean, the guy wasn't bleeding anymore, so the blood would have – he's still got blood on him. Either way, there's blood in there.

So he does all of this um now from at that point he's got everything in the shallow grave he drives back to his campsite to enjoy the night with some beans and some horses and some uh some dogs yeah and then he says well um while i'm here i have all of his stuff. Might as well make some phone calls on Reynolds' cell phone. Oh, he's got, okay. He's got a cell phone in 95 because he's a plumber. So it's whatever. Those big fat ones.

Oh, yeah, it's a decent size one. So he starts making phone calls from the campsite. He calls his girlfriend. He calls Bex. Hey, Bex, how's it going? Evening. Yeah, just, you know. i'm out here it's under

this is beautiful um you know if you're ever going to kill someone take off the finger pads that's all i'm going to tell you now that's my advice for the day no it's pretty out here so he does all of that uh he calls her at home he calls her pager just to make sure to spread him around so you really have a lot of evidence he's trying to get a hold of her. He then Reynolds had made several calls to his company and his girlfriend and all that on his phone. That's on his records later on. And he had also called Roars five times, Becky. So everybody's calling Becky from the phone. So Reynolds family, because he has like a wife and children, report him missing because he doesn't come home for two fucking days which isn't normal for a plumber so um they have the police

obtain copies of his cell phone records which is you know he starts calling this particular number and then goes missing it's not a difficult trail to and it's close up home what the fuck i don't i don't think that people in 95 even thought of like cell phones they didn't think of like records or they thought they were just like burners like it's this amazing that's what it was yeah it's like a walkie talkie almost they thought of it as attached to anything you can't make a digital footprint anywhere no just like in the ether of whatever so i mean i didn't know i didn't have a phone in 95 i I didn't know shit about them. If you told me that's how they worked, I'd be like, cool. I think I got mine in 99.

Yeah, my senior year. It was an Ikea with the faceplate that changed. I think it was awesome. Oh, baby. The change in faceplate. That's a good one. So they look for a while. They find the van.

Yeah. Because it's on the cemetery road. It's not hard to find. It's in a place where people go. uh because it's on the cemetery road it's not hard to find it's in a place where people go uh so june 28th 1995 police officers contact becky and they go hey becks how's it going um yeah um you know just a bunch of calls from this number to your phone and this guy's missing so you know you seen him anything yeah anything She tells them that she had his business card, Reynolds' business card, because she had met him and gave him a resume of hers. And, you know, so that's how she met him.

And we exchanged information. And they asked her if she was willing to come to the sheriff's office to identify Reynolds, like look at a photograph and say, is this the guy you talked to? So she said, yeah, of course I will. Jesus, I jesus i mean he's missing that's terrible i'm not a monster of course i'll be there and then she never shows up obviously no problem uh see you fucking some other time see you never um so and to be in her defense she might have intended to go people who use a lot of meth you know shoot meth they tend to not be that reliable with appointments and things like that i would assume more in her defense james she witnessed a murder she may not be uh the most

reliable person right now she's undergone trauma recently she's certainly under duress i would say yeah there's some ptsd involved here so that's damn well possible just because she does meth and and participated in this doesn't mean that she's like down with cold-blooded murder mike murder was seemed like the only guy enthusiastically doing this the jesse guys yeah everyone else mr jesse the meth dealer is certainly not a murderer he's he's out fast it was basically like we have money can you get some meth and he was like fuck yeah they were like you cook it up and we'll party and he's like shit yeah like he had no idea the jesse design guy i think he's just like oh my buddy mike murder here i'm gonna back him up i don't

think he thought oh we're gonna fucking like we're really gonna do it we're gonna beat him with a spike and then dismember him that's crazy so the next day um the police looking into the cell phone records further they discovered that uh the call that the next day i'm sorry that they they're looking at the cell phone records now in like real time if any call they tell the company if any calls are made let us know yeah so we can do. So that next day on the 28th, Reynolds' cell phone's being used. Who's it being used to call? Becky Roars again. Oh, no. So they're like, Jesus Christ, this is fucking crazy.

Oh, in the van, by the way, they found Reynolds' work boots, and that's when they discovered they couldn't find his cell phone or his pagers or anything and all of that. So, and they said the cell phone company said the most recent calls are originating from the Flagstaff area. So up north of, yeah, exactly where he would be.

So that same day, a known at the time, a resident of Whitman, Arizona told them that he knows that a murder took place in a guy named Mike Murda's garage behind his house. So this all happened. This guy provided information that the police then used to contact someone named Jody Sheeler. Yeah. So talk to Jody Sheeler.

Jody Sheeler really knows what's up here. So Jody sheeler then leads the police to this is the problem if you tell one person they tell other people yeah this is why murders are jesus fucking christ people how many murders have we had not like we want people to get away with murder but jesus christ have some pride in what you do, whether it's I'm serious, whether you're you know, whether you're you're cutting a lawn or you're fucking writing a symphony or you're jacking yourself up on meth and murdering some guy for no reason. Have some pride in your craftsmanship. This is fucking ridiculous here. Instead, you kill him in front of a bunch of people.

Now, all people know this Jody Sheeler told the cops some information enough information that the cops knew to go interview ron jesse our gas station meth hookup meth dealer right so or at least a hookup for one a middleman they uh ron jesse they sit him down he's got no stake in this game other than you know holy shit they go hey we heard a b and c and ron goes oh yeah i saw the whole fucking thing they had this guy in there and this dude was in a trunk it was fucking crazy i didn't know anything about they got him out dude took a piss he got a fucking spike he started hitting him with it and shit was great i mean he's like he's got stories he's like this was crazy i tried to leave and dude told me fucking he was gonna peel the skin off my children and make me watch and now he is singing he's more scared of mike murder than he is of any consequences of seeing

this whole thing so the cops are like wow that's a pretty good interview i guess that's decent that'll help that helps but also this guy's a crack, so they have to measure it with that. But still, they're on the right path, they know. So meanwhile, Mike, when he had called Becky Roars, she told him that the police were tracking the calls he's making with the cell phone. Hey, stupid. Yeah, stop calling me. They know the calls. That's why they talk to me. That's how they knew to fucking talk to me.

So he went, ah, shit, Jesus Christ. So he left the campsite and calls her from a pay phone instead. Let's go call from a pay phone. She told him. She got contacted by the cops, but she never told him anything because she didn't show up for her interview at all. She just ignored them. So he says, okay, and they can track cell phones. I didn't know that.

So he breaks the cell phone into a million pieces and gets rid of it. That's what he does here. He also takes all the wallet, Reynolds' wallet and his papers and all of that, and takes it and buries it near the body as well. Goes back to the campsite, you know, because he's not going to let this fuck up his weekend. He's had a hard week, and he needs to decompress. That's the thing. He's going to let this fuck up his weekend he's had a hard week and he needs my r and r in he needs to decompress that's the thing he's gonna go fishing later he's got a lot to do this weekend so he's sitting back up there with his horses and he's cleaning one of the horse's hooves

yeah uh here i guess with a knife that's how you clean a horse's hoof getting all the shit out of the out of the shoe i guess i guess i don't know how you do it i'm not gonna say that's not how you do it i'm'm not going to say that's not how you do it. I'm sure one of our listeners will tell us how you clean a horse's hoof. I imagine there's a tool, but they can probably do it with a knife. I assume. So as he's doing that, the knife slipped and he stabbed himself in the leg. Cutting himself real fucking bad.

Like, I think he nicked an artery in there he's squirting he can't stop the bleeding he's turning it's fuck he's gushing everywhere he's starting to get lightheaded so he jumps back in his truck and he drives to the yavapai regional medical center for treatment because he's he's gotta he's got no choice yeah the knife is filthy because he's been cleaning shit out of a horse's right and he stabbed himself it's gonna go septic in a minute two fucking seconds here so on june 30th 1995 is the next day they don't know where he is but they obtain a search warrant for mike murtis home and his garage uh during the scene of the garage they find the girls didn't clean up

the blood or the shit they've just been doing meth for two days so they cops walk in and they go well there's a body-shaped giant you know puddle of pool of blood with horse shit in it for some reason i don't know why that's all there um very fucking weird um so the sheriff's department now at this point sends out a notice notifying all the other law enforcement agencies that they're looking for this fucking guy and uh the yavapai county sheriff's office calls the investigators and says that he's in the emergency room he's over here so they said gangrene in his thigh yeah he's got he's he stabbed himself with a shit knife i don't think it's good He's in the emergency room. He's over here. So they said gangrene in his thigh. Yeah, he's got he's he stabbed himself with a shit knife.

I don't think it's good. Bad results happening. So he asks or they ask the investigators, they ask the aviapy authorities impound the vehicle right now. Fucking go impound that vehicle and, you know, seal off the medical center. Make sure he doesn't get out. We're on our way here. We're coming to get his ass. So they arrive at the regional medical center.

They first spoke with hospital personnel and were told that he had not been given pain medication because they can't talk to him really if he's on pain medication because that's not a good interview. They don't like to talk to people who are fucked up because it might not hold up what they say. Which seems wrong because that shit seems like it would be truth serum you feel so good maybe you just start singing and getting rid of all this all this stress but in court they can say they knew i was fucked up and i you know was talking out of turn because even like the homicide

book there was a guy who was a straight murder suspect i mean hardcore murder suspect they wanted him come in for questioning he came in and they said his fucking eyes were dancing he was so coked up and they were like come back tomorrow when you're less coked up stupid we can't talk to you now and they let him fucking walk out so yeah it's interesting so um anyway they arrived there and he's gotten he's not on medication then they meet with mike at about 8.55 p.m. I don't know if he slept yet, but, I mean, it's been days since this man has slept. I'll bet he hasn't because how do you sleep when you've got a knife wound like that? Unless they stop the bleeding and everything seems stable.

Yeah, they didn't give him any medication, so I don't know. They read him his Miranda warnings. He agrees to answer questions. No, they read him his Miranda warnings. He agrees to answer questions. And they asked him whether his garage, they agreed to ask him, he agrees to answer questions. And he then says, I'll answer your questions. Let me ask you something.

And they're like, okay. He goes, was my garage cleaned? How's my garage look? And they said, no, it wasn't cleaned at all mike there was it was it was pretty uh it was why i don't know what we don't understand the poop but it's obvious what happened there and he he tells the detective uh quote uh then you have enough to do me and then he just sits back well then you got it then and uh then he tells him exactly what happens he goes oh yeah we had him come over and i said yeah bring him over and hit him with the spike and i was shooting up meth

i didn't know what to do you know what i mean you know when you got somebody in a trunk and you're like fuck i was just gonna rob and kidnap this guy for a minute you know what i mean and now i'm like shit i want that plumbing equipment now he's in my trunk and i got this meth in my vein and i don't know what the fuck to do you know how it is I've been telling myself to go up north with the horses. I need to get them out in the free room up there. They got to run, Jimmy. They're in season. See, you got to run it out of them.

You got to run it out. There's a lot of energy in them. You know what I mean? I got my friend over. Now, the problem is, too, my girlfriend, she got her friend over. You know what I mean? We done ate dinner. We didn't know what else to do with them.

And I'm like, I mean, we could play Pictionary or we could try to dispose of a human being's corpse one of the two and we decided on shooting up more meths and killing a guy that's all and you guys don't understand he said will you blow me for cash get it i can go home now right i mean i feel righteous is what i mean i feel i feel you know the more i say it the more justified i feel in my actions is honestly what it is i feel vindicated thank you i want to thank y'all officers for coming in here and talking to me because i was feeling bad about can you imagine that don't worry i got a john off the street i did your work for you problem solved gentlemen have a good day and then he just puts his hands, folds them over his chest neatly, and he closes his eyes to sleep.

So he also tells them everything. He draws them a map, a detailed map to directions to the campsite where any evidence might be. Also tells them, oh, yeah, I got a hole here. I got a hole there. Three holes. I got a head hand hole. I got a wallet hole. i got a hole there three holes i got a head head hand hole i got a wallet hole i got a fucking torso hole so there's that um the police are able to locate the campsite and uh and the body as well they just use tracking dogs they don't even need

his map it's just pretty easy and he buried him like there was a like a thin layer of dust and leaves on top of him like there wasn He buried the bodies like he buried blood. Just real simply like just a sprinkler. Yeah. Yeah. That's this sounds so meth-y too. Like I'll do all this crazy killing and stuff, but I can't like then organize my thoughts to clean everything. And like fucking unbelievable.

These scrambled brain thoughts he's got. So they end up finding everything here, like we said. This was July 1st, 1995, so good and hot out there. Now, on Saturday, the next day, Jesse Dizarn, he's arrested too because everybody, he's, you know, fucking Mike just told him that he was there. He is charged with kidnapping kidnapping robbery aggravated assault and first degree murder oh jesse yeah um now once they collect the evidence and they they have him and they have the reynolds body and they have him under arrest and everything they started looking at it a little bit and there's detectives who because this is a particularly vicious kind of crazy case

this is the type of case heavy yeah this is the type of case if you're a detective and you know like detectives in other counties and stuff you call your friend up and you're like phil holy shit dude check this out this fucking guy crazy you know and you tell him the story they'd be like oh my god what a fucking crazy world you know what you say his name is it's exactly it's one of those things so word gets around about this and everybody hears about it and then the detectives based on some files they've read um they go this this looks real familiar of an earlier case in 1995 this year as a matter of fact holy shit they bring mike in and they go mike let me ask you something um you know i mean not for nothing but um is have you ever done anything

like this before just you know we never thought to ask you honestly because this seemed like such a spur of the moment event that we were like this seems like a one-off right yeah okay sure why not we were so happy to figure this one out we We didn't even notice. Um, so any, you know, just anything you might've remembered. And he goes, Oh yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Um, matter of fact, it was about, I don't know, two weeks before this, two and a half weeks before this on June 8th, 1995, which is literally fucking two weeks earlier. Um, yeah, there was a guy, my old roommate, uh, Doug, Doug Eggert, you know, him Douglas Allen Eggert, who was a guy my old roommate uh doug doug egert you know him douglas alan egert who was 26 he's uh from buckeye he was a mechanic uh he was uh he lived in buckeye apparently he's born in tucson there he's got a couple of kids and all sorts of shit like that

he said absolutely goes that guy was our roommate and i beat him to death with a meat tenderizer and threw him in a canal so yeah i have done something like that as a matter of fact absolutely goes that guy was our roommate and i beat him to death with a meat tenderizer and threw him in a canal so yeah i have done something like that as a matter of fact they're like oh we appreciate your honesty and frankness yeah wow okay um yeah he said i was living with my girlfriend not becky another girlfriend in the last two weeks he's gotten a new girlfriend yeah through may it's you know how it goes you know when you're doing meth times are fast and loose jimmy listen it's so hot out there any relationship is volatile and can end at any minute if it's that hot and you

live in the middle of the desert anything could could end a relationship for sure one little thing and you're like you know what i'm fucking done i'm done you're like what that had nothing to do with our relationship i don't care if you have the fan pointing at you and she clicks it to oscillating and that fan comes off you that's grounds for a fight right there that you you can leave uh that that's not you know and anyone would understand people be like oh god jesus yeah what a i'll bet you there's a divorce court judge that has heard, she clicked oscillating, Your Honor. Understood.

Understood. She doesn't mind sleeping with it up at 79. I can't deal with that, man. I can't deal with it. She says it's cold at 76, Your Honor. Your Honor, man, it's ridiculous. Now, objectively, 68 is room temperature understand your honor so 76 and we're talking eight degrees above room temperature even if

she's cold it's not a reasonable coldness right that's the legal precedent so they're socks right your honor socks and a robe that's what that's the solution right your honor uh your honor has uh decreed a heated blanket to be the solution and i'm gonna agree with him that's a crime of passion right right right let her borrow one of my hoodies no because then she's gonna mess it up then no ain't. I know she likes a big old hoodie. It don't matter. It's justifiable. And in Whitman in the summer, people might go, we're considering it. It's hot.

It's that hot. Air conditioning murders will happen. So he, Jesus Christ, he says, yeah, we all live together. You know, I beat him to death. he says that what happened is i was i suspected that egbert stole something from me that's what happened um didn't know for sure i don't know for sure but you know how you get suspicions oh and people who shoot meth usually their suspicions are well founded they're never paranoid all day so he says so i thought he was stealing from me so rather than confront him i plotted to murder him um he said i at first the thing was i figured to make it easy i tried to i gave him some beer

with a bunch of valium in it thought maybe he'd pass out and that shit didn't work he was just like this beer is delicious and it's a good one what is this an ipa shit like eight percent alcohol it's not bad. That didn't work. He likes vitamin V, and that V is Valium. Yeah, it's Valium right there. So when that failed, he went to something a little more direct. That I would call the subtle route to try to drug him and whatever. So that didn't work.

So he instead physically forced Eggert into the large toolbox across the bed of his truck. Oh, my God. The tool. From rail to rail, that toolbox? Yes. Holy shit. He physically forced a fully conscious man into that. That is his solution as far as, well, I tried the subtle route.

I guess I'll try, I don't know, the most over-the-top thing I could possibly do. Getting my diamond-plated DeWalt. Oh, shit, dude. Holy all right it's hot in there too oh june deal for christ's touch it's hot you don't understand you don't get it have you ever touched your car and went ow that happens in phoenix you go ah shit i know i touched it i touched the door i did it okay i touched the handle. I'm an idiot. I'm sorry. Oh, okay. I understand.

Yeah. That happens. So this is fucking crazy. The police said that Eggert's body was found after an anonymous tipster, just somebody saw it in the fucking Peoria police, found him in the canal, the Central Arizona Project there. That's the CAP, cap james that's one that comes off the bottom of the uh of lake pleasant exactly that whole thing that's who they called investigators ended up finding the very badly at that point decomposed between the water and the

heat oh my god i mean you can imagine what you know what the cap is james that's our drinking water yeah well the city i'm sure he's not the first corpse to be in that fucking water if i'm being honest with you here uh it's in that city so wow badly decomposed corpse found in the canal six miles north of lake pleasant and joe max roads so oh yeah yeah yeah no i know exactly what you're saying so oh my god yep just grab a grab a pole jimmy oh my god picture whistling i can't whistle when i'm smiling you can't whistle while you laugh and we're laughing but imagine whistling the andy griffith theme with a pole over your shoulder and

i caught me a corpse. That's what's going on. It's right here. It's very close. He said, they said that the body may have been in the water for more than two weeks in the heat and could have floated down 15 to 20 miles down the canal. So at any point in there, that's when they found him. They had no idea because he was found badly decomposed, possibly far away from the point where he was killed.

Right. So they had no clue what she was. He was he was killed up there and he floated down to down to that area. This is fucking crazy. So Reynolds here, poor Reynolds, his mother, Dolores, she said that, quote, that her son was, quote, just too trusting. Just too trusting. Yeah, it's way too trusting to think that a woman will change her mind to that degree. That's probably too trusting. She said, all I know is that my son is gone. I don't know why they would do this to him. I hope they stay in jail forever. That's what she said. this to him i hope they stay in jail forever that's what she said um another the owner of the plumbing company uh it was sunland plumbing he worked for and uh the owner of the company said he's worked there since may reynolds and he didn't believe in banks and the owner said i think he was approached because of his role of money and that's possible too she could have said he

took out a roll of money and he had money on him, so, I mean, he actually offered to pay me money, which is totally possible. The boss here said that Reynolds was a dependable worker who, quote, never complained. So, yeah, if you're not complaining about plumbing in the summer in Phoenix, you're right. That's a dependable guy. Her son here, Dolores, said her son lived in circle city and adored his

children he had a 13 year old daughter and an 11 year old son at that point which is fucking horrible jesus poor kids man poor kids that's awful oh can you imagine that's how your dad got family exact ages of my children that's's what I mean. In that exact area, it's gross. She also said he'd been looking forward to this week when his wife, Jennifer, would undergo surgery that would help her here for the first time in her life. Wow. So maybe shouldn't have been offering women blowjobs at the gas station. But like I said, that's between him and his wife and maybe the law, you know, as far as a misdemeanor goes. But certainly not a death penalty worthy offense, I would say, at all.

They even set up the plumbing company, opened a bank account to help funeral costs for the family and all that. They tried to help out. So July 1995, the grand jury indicts Mike Murda for the following crimes. First degree murder, felony murder in the alternative, count two, kidnapping, count three, aggravated robbery, and finally aggravated assault of Ron Jesse for threatening to fucking steal his kids. While he kept him physically caged. That's the other thing. He wouldn't let him out. So that's where that is.

They also indict him for kidnapping of Douglas Eggert, the first man he killed there, and first-degree murder of him as well. Rebecca Roars is also arrested. They got to arrest Becky. I mean, shit, she lured him there, for Christ's sake, whether she knew about it or not. She's on suspicion of aggravated assault and kidnapping, not on murder charges. They believe that she didn't know that a murder was forthcoming. it or not she's on suspicion of aggravated assault and kidnapping not on murder charges they believe that she didn't know that a murder was forthcoming because like i said i don't know if mike knew a murder was forthcoming so i'm pretty sure she didn't but she definitely helped here so

teach him a lesson she didn't hear murder a fucking guy yeah she didn't hear we'll put him in the trunk shoot up meth and then bash his head in with a fucking spike so uh dazarn is also arrested aggravated assault we told you all of his now mike wants to plead guilty that's his first instinct plead guilty um but they don't know if he's competent to plead guilty and this is when we get some really it's about to turn pretty crazy here so not that it had i just said it's about to turn pretty crazy what have we just heard for an hour and a half? This is it's been insanity, but it's going to go crazy as far as this goes. So in 97, he's incarcerated and he informed jail staff that he's depressed and suicidal and has a sleep disorder. prescribed at that time but subsequently he is diagnosed with anxiety disorder as i would think anyone awaiting death penalty eligible murder charges would fucking be that sounds like anybody in jail um and prescribed anti-anxiety medication and indicated that he spoke that they had spoken

to mike's ex-wife who said that this isn't the first time he's gone off the deep end a little bit mentally. She said that for the last year prior to him being locked up, you know, when he was out from 94 to 95, he'd been constantly making comments about the CIA and how they're looking at him and people are tracking him and there's the CIA and all this shit. So when someone mentions the CIA and that they care about them personally that means they're a crazy person is what that means. They aren't doing that.

They're targeting your fucking private citizens. No, unless you're like Edward Snowden or something. If you're a plumber. If you're a construction worker in Whitman, I don't think the CIA is very interested in your meth use. Fuck what you're doing. So the trial court orders a competency screening to see if he's fucking crazy.

And one evaluation, he says he's continuing to experience paranoid beliefs and delusions secondary to his past methamphetamine use. This doctor says all of this is just residual meth dust. That's it. It's residual meth resin that's stuck in his brain and it takes... He's fucked up his receptors so much with meth literally that it doesn't even

work right anymore. He's got some the inside of a general electric light bulb smoked dust in his lungs and in his brain. If you shake his head, it goes tink, tink, tink, tink, tink, like a broken light bulb. Yeah, exactly. So they sit him down with a psychiatrist and I, Jesus, there's so much in this episode that you go, I can't make this up.

Yeah. The doctor's name? Yeah. Dr. Jack Potts. I shit you not. Dr doctor jack potts jack potts that is amazing uh does he say that after his diagnosis i think when he when he's done examining you he says jackpot and he high-fives you and he leaves i'm gonna prescribe you valium and xanax jackpot jackpot pow i'm out jackpot out peace he's like

yeah he struts out he's very like fucking 2000 yeah i'm cool if your last name is pots never name your kid jack never jesus fuck what are you doing this isn't like it was you know the 1800s and that wasn't a thing yet right this man was born in like the fucking 50s what are you doing this isn't like it was you know the 1800s and that wasn't a thing yet this man was born in like the fucking 50s what are we talking about gold rush is long gone yeah long gone so he says that mike was quote fully alert and oriented to his name uh his location and the general reason for our interview well that's a start that's good that's helpful he knows who he is where he is and why we're talking he says that his thought process was goal-oriented and intact throughout he says that there was quote absolutely no evidence that he was suffering from perceptual disturbances such as auditory or visit visual uh visual visual i almost said visitory auditory and

visitory yeah she i had to stop myself twice from saying visutory. And I'm like, that's not a word, dumb fuck. I do it a lot. God damn it. Visual hallucinations during the time of the evaluation. He denied having any, quote, special powers. Because that'll come up. Wait a second.

Wait for it. His memory was, quote, grossly intact for both recent and remote events, and his cognitive abilities appeared to be consistent with that of the general population, if not slightly above average. So talk. His IQ is like 106, which is right in the dead average area, you know, leaning toward because like 110 is in the above. So it's getting toward above average. So he's not dumb at all. That's not a thing. They said that his abilities to abstract and conceptualize appeared to be grossly intact.

So I would say a lot of things about him are grossly intact. So the doctor noted that, this is a quote from his report, he does have some beliefs that may be considered fringe. Some? Fringe, okay? Yeah. Let's talk about, what do you consider a fringe belief? Probably something along the lines of Area 51 or 54, 57, whatever it is. Yeah, I was just going to say, like one of the safe conspiracy theories we did in the bonus episode.

Like big foot. Big foot. I just ran through all the 50s of things that I know. Is it Studio 54? Studio 54. Heinz 57. Area 51. That was what it was.

Heinz 57. Lawrence Taylor wore number 56. I'm all fucked up. Heinz 57 is what was in my head. I was like, is it the area like the Heinz? I saw you going through them. I saw your Rolodex flipping. What are the famous numbers in the 50s?

I'm only three feet away. I could see it where I could hear, I could smell smoke coming out of your ears on that one. What number is it? What's the area? 54? I don't know. So, that's a fringe. Like Bigfoot's maybe a fringe belief.

This I wouldn't describe as, I would describe it as a little more than fringe. He described having out-of-body experiences. Oh, yeah. That's more than fringe. Yeah. He claimed to have direct knowledge. He has no way to know this, by the way. But direct knowledge through his out-of-body experiences, not from personal experience, of the Buddhist monk killings in Phoenix as well.

Oh, really? He's got, yeah. Well, his out-of-body. Oh, that was gross. That's terrible. Yeah. When you float around out-of-body, obviously you're going to see things that you normally wouldn't see.

Sometimes you float by a big murder. You know what I mean? You witness it and you have things to tell the cops. Wrong place, wrong time. Yeah. I mean, right church, wrong pew here i am oh shit so there's that i mean i know about these buddhist monk killings these are like i said not fringe i wouldn't say he also tells uh jack potts that he believed that he was quote being monitored through telephone wire taps and surveillance which you're in jail you're absolutely being monitored by all those things yeah and they'll even look up your butt for stuff if they think

that something's in there don't think you're squatting cough a lot i'm monitored through uh why telephone wiretaps surveillance and my anal cavity i'm monitored through all them things man and they go yeah that's prison it sounds like you're trapped sounds like you're in jail i'm monitored through lifting of my nutsack see that's what it is they say lift it up and then i monitor through a coughing process that would expel things from a butthole if it was right on the edge watching that in that rikers documentary the humil the humiliation it's horrible it's fucking horrible being videotaped while it's happening the faces they make are so fucking awesome it's fucking crazy here's my nuts that's fucking awful so there it is do you see it

i'll see my butthole here it is i'll see my butthole here it is he uh now here's his concern here's his fringe belief that he's concerned that while he underwent leg surgery while he was you know they locked him up that's they had to put in there james well since they did that they a location transmitting device has been while he was under the anesthesia has been implanted into his skull oh not on his leg they use the the leg surgery as no they just use it as a ruse to implant something into his skull that's what they really wanted to do they're like we gotta fix up his leg yeah you can put shit in your head without an incision well i don't know how long i was out for yeah i could i could have healed the other thing that's the thing so he keeps repeatedly

telling this doctor that he wants a ct scan or better yet a skull x-ray that's what he's really looking for a skull x-ray to confirm the suspicion not to make sure it's not true i want to know it's true and so i need to confirm my suspicions the doctor said that when questioned further he said these concerns and knowledge of surveillance activities he said i mean that's got nothing to do with how i'm gonna act in court like i'm gonna plead guilty i mean i'm not gonna go through a whole trial and all that shit i'm going to plead guilty but just to let you know they put things in my head so i'm not crazy i'm not as crazy as they think i want to be if you know what i mean and he went huh so the doctor said that um i think you'll probably be found competent uh he said his initial impressions was that that Mike's belief system does not impact his rationale or factual understanding of the proceedings he's facing or his ability to effectively assist his attorney or understanding the waiving of his rights by entering a plea.

Yeah, no, I would. That's most of that's true. But the affecting helping the attorney thing, if your attorney is asking you for specific shit and you're like, I'm not saying a word till they get the tracker out of my skull. That's not helpful. No, that's not. That's not helpful. But I'm not saying he's crazy. So anyway, they noticed that he'd never had any major mental illness.

That's one thing like that. He'd been treated for anything like that. He explained that Mike has a long history of abusing methamphetamine. That'll make you seem crazy. He said that he might suffer from a paranoid delusional disorder secondary to his past use. There you go. His brain is meth broke.

And he recommended that his competency be evaluated further out of concern that Mike's paranoia might impair his judgment and could prompt him to plead guilty whether or not doing so is in his best interest. He might be on some crazy trip about something and he might have a theory that pleading guilty will get this thing to happen and that, then I'll be able to, who knows. Potts is a forensic psychologist, by the way. He noted that Mike held some fringe beliefs, but he said a desire to plead guilty to avoid putting his family and those of the victims through the trial is what he keeps telling him about. He says that the doctor concludes that Mike is aware of the charges against him, understands both his constitutional rights and the consequences of a guilty plea. So he says, I'd let him play if he wants to.

So here comes Dr. Lang. He brings on the MMPI test, which is the Minnesota Multiphysic Personality Inventory. That's a bunch of different things here. Scored a 106 on the IQ test. Like we said, that's high average. He did diagnose Mike with antisocial personality disorder, which I think based on just his activities of that 24 hours would probably give you that.

I don't think you need to even talk to him. He has a history of violent, aggressive and illegal activities and polysubstance abuse. So he'll do anything and get his hands on. He's been violent and aggressive, also mainly due to his meth use. And he's done a lot of illegal activities, but he doesn't have a criminal record. He doesn't have 10 domestic violence convictions or any of that shit. They noted no impairments in his cognitive functioning and said that no evidence he was suffering from delusions at the time she interviewed him. the time she interviewed him um he did mention his belief that the cia was tracking him and she concluded that his behavior during the fence the offense including luring the victim to the

residence was inconsistent with having paranoid delusional disorder instead uh mike offered dr lang a an explanation for you know the whole thing and he said he needed to be taught a lesson for propositioning his girlfriend period that's it yeah and uh the doctor explained that that's not consistent with the delusional process he didn't say like he tried to steal her soul so i had to kill him that would have been delusional he said this is just this is just you know kind of garden variety crazy you know what i mean yeah but i I still don't find the trigger for this. Is it just the meth use made him murderous? Well, he said like this.

He told Dr. Lang he initially considered beating Reynolds and then just releasing him. But the whole thing just got carried away. And I think it snowballed because he's shooting meth. So I think, oh, no, now he's in the trunk. Now what do I do? He's in the corner. What if I just hit him with this? And then, oh, shit, I already hit oh, no, now he's in the trunk. Now what do I do? He's in the corner. What if I just hit him with this? And then, oh, shit, I already hit him with it, so I better kill him now.

Like, you know what I mean? I think it might have snowballed. He said he was able to recall the crime in detail. During the offenses, he displayed logic, decision-making, and planning skills. Secondary on that play. He stuck him in the trunk, ate ate dinner then shot meth up and killed him and was like i don't know what to do it's not a good plan but it's certainly a plan put poop on him that'll make him go away sprinkle poop on the blood i heard it was magic so he said he was his

cognitive functioning was fine and all that sort of thing um he said that he even tried to his behaviors to dispose of the fingerprints and the teeth were displaying that he had thought and forethought and all that sort of shit. And he noted that he used methamphetamine on the day of the murder, which would have caused feelings of euphoria, power and energy. It could also have led him to become progressive and paranoid. All those things are true, I assume here. He also said that he believed the meth may have contributed to his getting carried away while beating reynolds yeah you think yeah uh well once you hit someone with a heavy meat tenderizer i think you've already gone through the yeah you've gone past the point of no return you're already through the yeah you're

already through the metal detector you're in the airport you can't leave now you can't unspill milk you know what i'm saying you can't put it put it all back in the airport. You can't leave now. You can't unspill milk. You know what I'm saying? You can't put it all back in the glass. Like, not going to happen. So they appoint another guy, or a couple of them here, Drs. John Schialli and Scott Sindelier, and a clinical psychologist is the one is, and they're going to evaluate his competency. He's so fucking weird, they have to talk to him.

Now, Dr. Schialli said that he talked to Mike, competency they're very he's so fucking weird they're they have to talk to him now the dr schioli said that he talked to mike and mike told him that no matter what happens mike said that he's quote gonna get the death penalty even with a plea deal said so it doesn't matter um he says that mike's motivation for accepting a plea deal was that quote death row has a better quality of life than gen pop that's probably true here yeah yeah and that he wanted to spare others the stress of the trial he also believed that the outcome would be the same way whether he pled guilty or went to trial and the doctor said he found nothing illogical about his reasoning that's all that's all regular

regular folk reasoning here he said uh the, when he explained the possible defense and maybe mitigating factors available in a trial, Mike indicated that he was, quote, not previously aware of those things. But even with that information, he's still going to plead guilty. I didn't know I could say I had fucked up shit in my head. So he looks up all sorts of shit, medical records and everything. And what they find is he has one prior known psychiatric contact, which was an incident in 1978 when he was briefly hospitalized in Indiana while intoxicated with meth. So he's high on meth and got put in a hospital because people didn't know what the fuck was wrong with him. That's how high he was. That's how high he was. That's how high he was

on meth in 1978. He's a fucking pioneer of meth. 20 years of this shit, yeah. A meth pioneer. That's wonderful. Ah, see over the hill, kids? That's a meth pioneer. See his grizzled face

looking out like a hawk over the horizon? Meth pioneer. This at the same time, they found out that in the late 70s, he had a couple of pretty bad concussions as well. And that was before the meth stuff. So they're thinking the concussions might have led to some of this possibly, which is always possible. possibly which is always possible uh finally they the doctor discussed discussed mike's desire to obtain an x-ray to identify the tracking device he believed had been implanted in his skull uh the possible effect of this desire on his uh and the possible effect of this desire on his

decision to plead guilty he mike had told the doctor that when he discussed the plea agreement with his lawyer the lawyer told him that he would get the x-ray if he just signed the agreement yeah so lawyer treated him like he was like a raving person in a park and just said if you just sign this paper we'll get your head x-rayed and you can find the tracking device that's what he's telling this doctor so the doctor found that the discussion of the issue was done in a logical way notwithstanding no information from his attorney as to whether the skull x-ray had been discussed when discussing the plea agreement, because that never came up in the plea agreement. It was like, we'll plead guilty if you give him a skull x-ray. The lawyer never said that. I just told him. Now, the doctor found that his beliefs

about the implant did not interfere with his ability to enter a guilty plea and concluded that what was more convincing was that he said he would enter the pleas of guilty even if he got an x-ray or not so either way he would do it um he said that this sort of reasoning is not typical of a paranoid delusional so that's what he's saying uh he both found him competent to plead guilty and all that so now at this point he's repeatedly requesting to everybody even in court he'll stand up and be like i'm not saying nothing till my skull gets x-rayed you find out what's in my brain like shit like that yeah so they're all talking about it like what do we do

here yeah with this fucking guy so the deputy district attorney asked the court just order the x-ray can you as the judge just if it'll get us fucking on with this. I know you don't want to do it because of the money. That's the issue. But if we're wasting days in court, it's more money. Like, what are we talking about? Let's take him. There's got to be an x-ray around here somewhere.

Hook him up to a fucking copy machine and tell him everything's fine. Who cares? We need to get on with this shit. So they do it. The deputy district attorney asked for that. He argued that the x-ray would reassure Mike that there's no tracking device and that it would alleviate

any potential coercive allegations raised at any future plea agreements or proceedings. Please. The trial court said, fucking fine. X-ray this idiot's head. So they do it. The service was provided to him with a skull x-ray this idiot's head so uh they do it the service was provided to him

with a skull x-ray the prosecutor said it's to reassure him like i said um the doctors are like oh look at that he's finally getting one so the scan does not show an implant but mike believed But Mike believed the results were doctored. Fake nose. They showed him the x-ray and he went, these are doctored. And instead requested an MRI. I'd like an MRI to really take a look around in there. Damn it. So Dr. Potts concluded that Mike is an intelligent man who's simply expressing a very strong desire based on a clearly false belief, which is a very good way to put whenever anybody that's obviously nuts is asking for shit like that's the best way to put it.

He says that he fully appreciates the necessary waiver of the rights and all that. And this is what he wants. He said he's been asking me for that. They gave him an X-ray and a ct scan and he insisted on an mri yeah so it's really and a ct yes what's the mri is the one that does the uh soft tissue shit right yes yeah he thinks it's like in the middle of his brain apparently either way if it's made of an outside substance, an x-ray is going to show up. It's going to show up in a CT scan, but he wants a fucking MRI here

because he said the other results have been doctored and somehow an MRI won't be doctored in his mind. He's exhausting. He's very exhausting. So, yeah, he's exhausting. The doctor at this point said that he's continuing to, Mike's continuing, not the doctor, by the way, to experience paranoid beliefs and delusions secondary to his past meth use at this point. He said even for years after cessation of methamphetamines, he said that still his behavior is consistent with these chronic methamphetamine use. He said that he functions relatively well before he became an addict,

and likely it was his methamphetamine use that greatly contributed to the alleged offenses that have occurred. Do you just, you killed the one guy, the roommate with a meat tenderizer. That's your first murder when you're 41 41 and then you're killing two weeks later you just decide it's like getting a tattoo like you got it you were like those are great i'm getting another one there's it's not a possibility he had to have done this before right is it just me he's done something very illegal whether it was murder or not who knows but he's certainly done something really fucking bad that's a line to cross like murder and i i just can't imagine like out of the blue he just killed that one roommate and then was like on the offensive he stole

something from us maybe i think he stole something we don't even know and then so i killed him i enjoyed it so much i'm just looking for people to fucking kill now two weeks later it just doesn't make any sense to me if five years went by i, I could buy it, but not two weeks. It's so fast. Two weeks, he snapped. I'll kill him now. Yeah. He's got to kill. Either his brain broke from too much meth, or he's been doing this for a while.

Because the Arizona desert out there, it's so vast. You have no idea how many, like if you went through it, how many bones are out there. It's unreal. And out there, too, on the other side of those mountains, it is just desert. No man's land. For so far. Till California. You could bury a fucking battalion and nobody would notice it's out there.

That's where they used to train for war and shit. Yeah. It's just, there's nothing there. And no one in Phoenix even noticed that's how far out there it is. it yeah it's just there's nothing and no one in phoenix even noticed that's how far out there it is so on january 10 2000 he pleads guilty to kidnapping robbery and first degree murder of reynolds on that same day he plead he pled uh guilty to the kidnapping first and first degree murder of egert as well now um in the egert case the state and Mike agree that he'll receive you, sir, a fuck off life sentence for the murder of Eggert. OK, so there's that. Now, the problem is Murdoch.

And he knows this because his lawyers tell him and it's expressed in court. he knows that his guilty plea constituted the conviction that they can now use to use that as an aggravating factor in the Reynolds case to push for the death penalty. So he pleads guilty to all of that, like we said. The sentencing comes around for that. And he said that when sentencing comes around, he requested to his lawyer that he, quote, get my Rolodex from the property seized by detectives from my house. He said that you need to have it to give to Lisa Christensen, who's a litigation specialist, and a more complete and accurate list of people to contact on my behalf. He has names and phone numbers. He says the Rolodex has names and phone numbers of people I know who aren't listed in any directories.

And he asked his lawyer to look into hiring a neuropsychologist because another death row inmate had undergone neuropsychological testing to explain his outbursts of sudden violence. Okay. So he also asked his lawyer to obtain a, quote, complete list of all states that have an interstate compact with Arizona. His reasoning was, and this is what he said, this is a letter to his lawyer, quote, if we pull this off and I do get natural life, then I want you to request a court order for a DOC transfer out of Arizona. So he wants to be in a different prison outside the state. transfer out of arizona so he wants to be in a different prison outside the state i do not want to spend five to seven years in smu or one uh or smu one or two and this is where i will be sent upon the transfer from here to doc because my crimes will give me a five five five out of five

score going in that's yeah he's going dangerous yeah yeah he's going to the hardest fucking place there is um because he's the most dangerous. Jesus. He said being out of state will also allow my sons to get on with their lives much easier. He also discussed later on. He says that his that his lawyer was rarely visiting him in jail. It's like he never came to fucking visit me. And then he said, quote, anyway, what I'm getting at here is this.

We both know we both knew going in that this was a loser because of witnesses yeah i've fucking four people watched you do this it's hard to say it didn't happen good god and i know you have done uh as i've asked in trying to stretch it out as long as possible i don't want to please make this as expensive for people as we can and draw it out. I don't want to do anything to tarnish your name or abilities in any way. But if I tell the judge of the sparse visits would somehow help my mitigation, I think we should discuss this face to face. So I'm going to start using you as a mitigating factor that my lawyer sucked, which isn't

a mitigating factor. That would be an appeals factor. He said it's well known around the courthouse that you don't visit clients in this jail very often they've been he's been gossiping with the other everybody else says so too you got him too he never visits me either that punk motherfucker uh this was told to me by a deputy who's been there for 35 years i'm sure you know cookie roy cook he's the one who said you're a good attorney quote but have a bad rap when it comes to visits yeah okay i still want you to keep putting off the sentencing date as long as possible um what you need to do i like how he puts he's he doesn't have time yeah doesn't have time to spell it out he's only in prison forever um

what you need to do is set aside some time to come down here and talk to me. Things have changed in my life, and we need to kick Mark Barry's ass on mitigation. Okay. I'm going to have Lisa try to get people to write letters on my behalf to present to the judge as to my character before Becky and Meth took over my life. Wow. So please come down here. Maybe we can pull it off. Yeah, this guy fell apart.

You can tell. Meth and pussy ruined me. Meth and that pussy. I mean, it's good enough. You'll offer to pay for it at a gas station. That's how fine she is. I couldn't help myself. In another letter, he further detailed his desire to serve life in prison out of state.

He says, quote, I need info on interstate compacts. So if by some miracle Lisa can get me life, I don't want to do it here. I've had 43 years of this heat and that's enough for me. It's so fucking hot. And when you read books about Arizona prisons prisons that's all they complain about is the fucking heat and the winter it's freezing and the scorpions yeah and aggressive ants and scorpions and the desert's not a place where you can just stick a uh you know and they don't have like the fucking orcan man coming through no come through and spray for this shit it's just there crazy and

people look brown recluse spiders and they have you know festering wounds it's wild uh so anyway i've had 43 years of this heat and that's enough for me for once i agree with this guy yeah i want to go to north uh no i want to go north idaho wyoming montana colorado nevada nevada is just as hot dude so maybe rethink that he means like up in the sierra nevada yeah yeah the mountains uh not oregon or utah they're as bad as here from what i've learned anyway get back to me i think about every time i get one of these snoopy the lawyer tunes every time i think of i get one of these letters i guess i snoopy the lawyer tunes okay uh he addresses the court at one point and he tells uh what he thinks is what he says to

the judge quote in my six years with being with being for some reason in madison street jail i know how everything works okay six years he was in madison street six years he's been waiting this is in 2001 i know everything works i'm talking about everything i know how the roman empire fell and i can tell you how to make a radio like i can do it all i know it all um i know how the steps i know how i know the steps that are followed i have had several friends that have gone through death penalty cases and gotten the death penalty imagine being able to say that. Yeah. Several of my friends are on death row and this is what they tell me and gotten the death penalty and several who've gone through the death penalty cases and got natural life. I have also known some who've been sent out

of state on interstate compact with that request coming from the department of corrections. And I recently learned that you do not have the power to send me out of state without the approval of the Department of Corrections. A judge can't just say that. So he's saying that. He says in 2001 that he does not want to present mitigating evidence. Changed his mind. Fuck it. Just kill me.

It's easier. So he directed the attorney not to provide copies of the mitigation report from this Lisa Christensen and Dr. Deming, who did an evaluation. Don't turn those over to the prosecution. We're not using them. So his lawyer informed the court that Mike believed that his life was in danger in jail and feared that a life sentence would be the equivalent of the death penalty for him because of the difficulties he had with other inmates. He's got a lot of problems yeah the uh he mike urged the lawyer to ask the prosecution to allow him to serve his time out of state um he apparently said his cellmate tried to shank him yeah which is just that's just madison street jail jail right that's and especially the highest security one that's fucking crazy that's

you know um so his cellmate tried to shank him and he said jesse dizarn has told everyone that he's a snitch so people want to kill him too oh shit he's got a lot of problems right now with these jails the fucking phoenix jail is horrible it's just between the conditions are just inhumane is not even the word for them. And then that inhumanity creates people that behave inhumanely. Yeah. And there's no they don't. No one gives a fuck in there either. So it's it's that's the other problem.

They don't give two shits about it. So they've made this horrible place. That's hell on earth. And they're like, people should be fine when they get done in there. Yeah. Good move. I'm V. All right.

Good moves. Idiots. they get done in there yeah good move all right good moves uh idiots uh so uh aggravating factors uh is that he's been convicted of another offense for which a life sentence has been you know imprisonment has been set up and that he committed the murder in an especially heinous cruel and depraved manner i which that i would say just the torture of what he did to this guy beforehand was fucking brutal of him not knowing. So they have the mitigating evidence here. And he says not that he refuses to submit any of the mitigating evidence here. The state refuses to recommend he serve his time outside Arizona.

So he can't make that deal. Then he changes his mind once that happens. He says, well, if I can't serve it outside of Arizona, then I don't want to put on any mitigation at all. I want the death penalty because I don't want to be in here in Arizona for the rest of my life. So they sit him down in court and they said, did you discuss this with your lawyer?

And he said, I have copies of everything and I've read everything. And the judge said, and knowing what that information is, do you desire not to present evidence on your own behalf? And he said, that is my wish. He said, do you understand it's a capital case? He said, yes, ma'am. That's it. That's that. So, yeah, they let him do it.

The problem is the judge allows him now, not not the problem but they allow him to address the court uh he makes the following statement regarding his waiver of mitigation and his desire for the death penalty yeah and i quote i wanted the court to know that i have been a supporter of the death penalty for all my life and i raised my sons with that knowledge as well in fact i wish the death penalty were expanded to cover what we don't need. What are you doing? I don't care. You know what we don't need?

Opinions on society from a fucking meth-addled murdering asshole. That's what we don't need. Even if you're right about something, I'm going to consider the opposite side because I don't want to be on the same side as you. You're a moron. don't want to be on the same side as you right you're a moron he said uh i wish it was expanded to cover what it's used for in the form of rapists and child molesters like i said valid view don't want to hear it from you though anyone else is fine not from you he said that is my belief and i don't think that me being in this situation would change that belief and it hasn't and i am making the i'm asking the court to go ahead and proceed and give me the death penalty because i do not desire life in prison my children my two sons

have grieved for six years already with me being in here and my circumstances are where i have been in solitary lockdown for six years with very little contact and i want the grieving to end for my own family. He then discussed the murders. He told the court that the interim between the Eggert and Reynolds murders in that interim, he and Becky had broken up and she had stayed with Betty Gross. So this was that's why it was all these breakups. According to him, during that time, Becky was free to contact the police about this the egbert murder but didn't uh he also explained that he had killed egbert because egbert because egbert had threatened his stepdaughter and a woman he was dating and that becky agreed with his plan to kill egbert she was down with it yeah she was down with it um he also said that's what

he says in court anyway he also says that during that during the Reynolds kidnapping and murder, all of his co-defendants had the opportunity to release Reynolds when he wasn't around. Yeah. They're afraid of you. That's the problem. He said, keep them here. Fucking, you know, uh, he also contended that his co-defendants had lied about the details of the Reynolds murder in their testimony. So, yeah. He also, his lawyer explains that other inmates have labeled him a snitch and that once his cellmate tried to shank him, like I said,

and he said given the troubles in jail, he wanted to plead guilty and get on with getting a death row. And he said he, quote, didn't want his family's name to be drugged through the mud and didn't want the victim's family to be drugged through the mud or relive the death of a family member he's very noble that's what he is very kind person yeah um he also said he didn't want some mitigation specialist talking to his family and digging into his past and he was very adamant that no one talked to his mother what's in your past sir don't talk to my mother whatever you do um she is a huge bitch i'm telling you i

just don't talk to you're gonna hate her now uh he said that all that shit uh his lawyer described him as very demanding and heavily involved in the proceedings providing details of the case and asking to review evidence uh he said that he called him three times a week and sometimes several times a day and uh he was able to you know comprehend and understand everything so what ends up happening is he doesn't want to present the lawyer can't present the mitigating because that's his what not what his client wants but the prosecution presents mitigating evidence because if they don't then it will get overturned on appeal okay there has to be an equal there has has to be someone. So he says, we're going to put it out there.

So the defense counsel objected. And the court said they wouldn't release certain materials to the public and all this. But the mitigating factors, impairment from the use of crystal meth at the time of the offense, impairment from chronic drug use, personality disorder, paranoid thoughts, impact of the combination of drug use, personality disorder, and paranoid thoughts on mental abilities. He cooperated with law enforcement, told them where the body was, lack of prior criminal convictions, and a desire to spare his family from the trial. Seems logical here.

Fair enough, yeah. They called in the Dr. Lang guy, and Dr Lang said that, you know, all the methamphetamine stuff that we talked about before. So the council, all his council argues is that the state had not established good enough aggravating factors. They didn't establish that he did it for a robbery. They didn't even though he robbed him. didn't establish that he did it for a robbery they didn't even though he robbed him they didn't establish the aggravating factors and even the hate it was they said even the murder the quick blow to the head he was probably unconscious he never even saw it coming that's not especially cruel they're trying to ignore the torture of the 12 hours before that and the dismemberment and pulling teeth and exactly all that that's pretty, that seems aggravating. Pretty goddamn gross to me.

So, yeah, they said that, they argued that the state had not proved beyond a reasonable doubt that factor, that it was especially heinous or cruel and all that stuff. They asserted that his methamphetamine use rendered him unable to appreciate the wrongfulness of his conduct or conform his conduct to the requirements of the law, but not so much as to constitute for a defense. Sure. He was fucked up, but not that fucked up. You don't want to like, you know how it works like that. So they bring in more fucking shrinks. People. One guy, Dr. Deming, did a 12 hour personal interview. It's a lot, man.

It's a lot, man. It's a lot. They talk about his, now they're getting into his organic brain syndrome, post-concussion syndrome, resulting from numerous severe head injuries beginning at age 17. And the report concluded that, or included discussions with his family, background, all that kind of shit. So the court found, let's just find what the court founds here they found eight non-statutory mitigating factors and uh they're pretty much all the ones the prosecution laid out basically um the court determined that these mitigating factors were not sufficiently substantial to outweigh aggravating circumstances and said you sir may fuck off death penalty for the murder of reynolds and uh 20 years for the kidnapping of reynolds and 50 years for the robbery of reynolds oh it's over for you 15 yeah so he's he's done so on the direct appeal quickly uh he uh the first it said that the delay

in the case did not const he said it constituted cruel and unusual punishment to hold him for six years before the case. Meanwhile, they have evidence of all of his letters asking his lawyer to delay it as much as possible. So that's self-imposed at that point. He could have got it over with a lot quicker. Also, it said that it held reasonable evidence supported the trial court's finding that Murdoch was competent to plead guilty, and they rejected his argument that his guilty plea was not knowingly made because he was not told he had a Sixth Amendment right to have a jury determine his sentence.

Because Arizona the next year passed a law saying you had to have a jury. So finally, the court addresses his claim here that he was improperly sentenced by a judge rather than a jury. So that ended up coming up. Now, it's upheld, though. Everything here is upheld on the direct appeal, which is always with the direct appeals. 2013 comes around. Yeah.

It's been a goddamn while. Federal appeals court here, they uphold the murder conviction. This is the Ninth Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals. Uphold the murder conviction and vacate the death sentence, though, saying that

juries, not judges, must decide whether a defendant's eligible for the death penalty. That's come up a lot. Yeah, so now the Supreme Court comes's come up a lot. Yeah. So now the Supreme Court comes into it now. U.S. Supreme Court, not Arizona. Not those fucking, not that clown show. An actual, yeah, an actual court.

The U.S. Supreme Court let stand a lower court's ruling that convicted him and said he should get a new hearing on the death sentence, though, because then the prosecution appealed that to the Supreme Court. The court refused to hear the state's argument that the ninth circuit court had stepped quote far beyond its authority when it ruled that he should have been sentenced by a judge and a jury instead of a judge uh he had pleaded guilty the arizona attorney general's office said in an emailed statement that it was disappointed that the supreme court did not correct the erroneous interpretation they wanted the supreme court to go no no you should kill him that's what they wanted they don't do that that often when they've already had it struck down when they've had it vacated they don't usually impose it again it's not their thing so um they said that um uh yeah anyway he is

one of 21 capital defendants in arizona who were sentenced to death by a judge instead of a jury before 2002 when the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that that practice was unconstitutional. Really? That's why tons of Arizona Capitol defendants had to be resentenced. Most of them got life because of that. So on review, the Supreme Court determined that 19 of those death row inmates were eligible for resentencing by a jury. Murda and another Capitol convict were not granted a resentencing. So he was not granted a resentencing at all. The court said that the jury sentencing was harmless in his case because no rational juror could have found leniency and sentenced him to life. One of the factors leading to his death sentence was that it was especially heinous, cruel

or depraved. The state seeks has 90 days to seek a new sentencing hearing. And they said they would. They said nothing about the conviction is overturned. Just the death sentence is just the death sentence is simply no longer valid. It's now up to the state to choose what they're going to do here. So retry him. From what I understand, I have not seen him resentenced to death.

So I assume they just took the life and said he's got life on the one. And then he's got life plus a bunch of others on this one. He's in there. Fuck him. You know, leave him. Yeah. Who gives a shit? So there he is. Reynolds is in jail. He's in prison fuck him you know leave him yeah who gives a shit so there he is uh reynolds

is in jail he's in prison now or not reynolds reynolds is dead no i'm sorry mike murder is done i apologize and jesse dezarn had to take a plea as well i think if i'm not mistaken i think rebecca roars didn't end up going to prison for this though yeah i think it was a much lesser thing and she testified against him and she had to have left the state right i can't stay in whitman there's only 666 people there you gotta run from whitman 664 damn yeah that's true yeah the prison isn't there what's his ass in prison too design christ they're dropping like flies somebody's gotta go repopulate this place. Yeah, numbers are getting smaller. So we didn't have time for the second case today.

I apologize. We'll do it on a bonus at one point because it's a really fucking crazy case about a guy. Great. At one point he's got two guns, one for each of you. It's that cool. It's some tombstone shit that happened in Phoenix in the 30s. It's dope. We'll do that on a bonus episode. I apologize. You know, speaking of Phoenix, it's starting to annoy me that

those are called miranda rights they shouldn't be called miranda rights they should be named after the detective who fucked it up and didn't read them to him you know what i mean i don't want them to be not the poor bastard who didn't get rid of their rights i don't want it read i don't want i don't want these to be called rapist rights because that's what they are that's what he did and he got off on a technicality it was miranda versus yeah i get it we should call it we should call it the detective that fucking didn't read him that asshole detective fucking johnson right yeah johnson writes that's that feels right because it's a dick right did you johnsonize him okay because they asked miranda did you mirandaize him did you johnsonize him okay good

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Wow, those are different names. Jeremy Clark. Very different names. Elena Toler, Heidi Allen, Vanessa Gill, DW,W., Anna Jazupovich, Daniel Newton, Justin Anderson, Melissa Walters, Elizabeth Che, Alan Hansen, Barking Spider, Gross, D.D., Warren Lehner, Charles with no last name, Tyler Thompson, Molly Murphy, Carrie Oak, Jordan Fouts, Michaela with no last name. Kayla Moen of that Moen fortune. Jacinthe Blue, I think. Bridget Summerlin. Tyler Owens. Carrie with no last name.

Robin Haumont, I think. Samantha Seaman. Jesus, Sam. I'm so sorry, Sam. Maria Firiola. Firiolo. Jabari Photos. Paige Agard.

Agard. Rory Highland. Michelle Lechman. Tonyanya with no last name, Carolina Soto, Aaron Sherrick, Megan Holsey, Pamela Brown, Alicia Nice, Thomas with no last name, Madeline B, Mike Lucero, Christopher Starks, Glenn Burley, David Beckmeyer, Conker, Joe Dirt, Melissa Simon, Tiffany Summers, Nicole Moore, Rachel Lafureur, Linda Gruss, Megan Kevil, Sean Sloan, Deb Schrader, Memory Alexander, Biggie Cheese, Nicholas Moore, Nelson with no last name, Rory King, Julie Zuchner, Emmett Wolfe, Theodorus Christos. Yes. Theodorus Christos.

Yes. Kendra Kitchen. Darren Lawrence Jones. Olivia Jensen. Charlie Yonker. Sophie Perrone. Derek Pretzel. Pretzel.

Yep. Jacob. Nope, that's just Jake. Jake Jewell. Hunter Payne. Dan Kiker. Jeez Louise. Andrea with no last name. Callie.

Kaylee. Callie. Kaylee. With no last name. Ronnie Lundlum. Lundlum. Lundlum, Dan Burheit, Perhiti, Plurplexed, Sam Dean, A.D. Torin, Beth with no last name. Davina with no last name. Quentin Sniders, Warren Lewis, John Holder, Elizabeth with no last name.

Morgan Brewer, Barry, Morgan Barry. Chance Plower, Plower? Plower, Plower Chance. Chance Plower. Plower? Jesus. Plower Chance. Blake Haney.

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Taryn S. Nicholas Meringue. Meringue. Damian Gortman. Becca Chedecky. John Stewart. Probably not. Mike Yeager. Billy Gordon, Bernadette Pavlik, Caitlin with no last name, Taylor Washington, Ethan Kanzler, Kevin Schrader, Frederick Hammond,

Shamika Andrews, Shaman Trumbo, Patrick Whittington, Robert Keller, Austin Pritchard, Danielle Morris, Eddington, Robert Keller, Austin Pritchard, Danielle Morris, Stacy Lazarek, Michelle Blackstone, Zali Lewis, Tim O'Shea, Kevin Lowe, S.H. Park, Danish Shake, Carrie with no last name, Melissa Nelson, Ethan with no last name, Lisa Maynard, Matt Roth, Justin Phoebus, Amanda, nope, that's Autumn. Autumn Moon, Chris Napowicki-Walkie, Amanda Greiser, Marissa Allen-McLovin1967, Melissa Dunmire, and William Forsyth, and all of our patrons. You guys are terrific. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, everybody, from the bottom of our hearts. Honestly, thank you so much.

It really does. It feels really good. And these live shows, man, you've got to get your tickets to live shows. It's really the best show. It's such a good time. Columbus and Pittsburgh we have, or Pittsburgh and then Columbus, April 8th and April 9th. Get your tickets now. And then there's a bunch throughout the rest of the year.

A lot of these are getting either close to sold out or are already sold out because they were rescheduled shows. So, like, I know Pittsburgh and Columbus are 90% sold out because they were rescheduled shows so like i know pittsburgh and columbus are 90 sold out you're not gonna meet two more uh comedians that are full of enough humility uh to tell you uh thank you so much for supporting us but we're very proud of them they're very we are our live show is is we don't want you to we want you to come back how about that you've heard both of us say the shit that we're bad at constantly. You say, oh, I've been working on my car. I'm like, I don't even know how the fucking thing works. I'm not embarrassed to say I'm terrible at shit.

We throw down on those shows, period. They're so much fun. You're going to laugh. It's going to be a great comedy show. We would not do them unless they were really good. We don't do shit that we don't think is good. It's not a cash grab we want you to come back we want to grab again we want to give you such a show that you're willing to come back and see another one there's a reason why a lot of people have seen us three four five six seven times because they come back they see one tour

they'll see us one place and the next tour we'll see them in three different cities because they had such a good time and it's it's so much fun so thank you for doing that we really do appreciate it and if you want to find us go to the website you know where to find us or just google small town murder podcast hosts we're the only goddamn ones out there regardless of people trying to fucking siphon off of our name which has happened quite recently and frequently so we we may be the most ripped off uh people in podcasting it's we get ripped off a lot because we're kind of under the radar to where you think maybe i can rip them off and no one will notice yeah maybe no one like you know big will notice they don't

know that you steal from a couple of certain ones they'll notice right they don't know that the people that listen to us uh we'll we'll rat you out they will tell us they will they'll take you down is coming meaner than us yeah they're meaner than us they're in defense of us our people are great so thank you for doing that and uh keep doing that and until next week everybody it's been our pleasure Hey, Prime members, you can listen to Small Town Murder early and ad-free on Amazon Music. Download the Amazon Music app today. Or you can listen early and ad-free with Wondery Plus and Apple Podcasts. Before you go, tell us about yourself by completing a short survey

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