Small Town Murder - #273 - Video Games Or Hitler? - Montville Township, Ohio

Episode Date: April 21, 2022

This week, in Montville, Ohio, an act of kindness is rewarded with an act of terrible murderous brutality. The killer seems to have been training for this moment, for his entire messed up life. All seems open and shut, with the killer brazenly sending bloody & threatening notes to everyone involved, including the victim's families & the prosecutor. In the end, the blame isn't put on a bad upbringing, or even genetics, but instead, it's placed squarely on video games. GTA III, to be exact. But instead of using this for a defense, the killer decides to praise Hitler & make more threats! Just when you think it's all over... Another, even more shocking murder pops out of nowhere!!Along the way, we find out that railroad work camp is not a privilege, that you can't blame all the world's murder on video games, and that some people just can't be fixed!!Hosted by James Pietragallo and Jimmie WhismanNew episodes every Thursday!Donate at: patreon.com/crimeinsports or go to paypal.com and use our email: [e-mail] to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder & Crime In Sports!Follow us on...twitter.com/@murdersmallfacebook.com/smalltownpodinstagram.com/smalltownmurderAlso, check out James & Jimmie's other show, Crime In Sports! On Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Amazon Music, Wondery, Wondery+, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts!See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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that's the thing there's nothing funny about actual murder what's funny is the things around the murder someone's saying i think i can get away with this maybe if i can maybe if i cut this person up into a bunch of pieces it'll be easier that's right there wrong path sir abort the mission and go somewhere else so that's what we're talking about we make fun of that but we don do, we go out of our way not to do. So we don't make fun of the victims or the victims' families. Why, James? Because we're assholes. But? But we're not scumbags.

That's how that works. So if that sounds good to you, like I said, crazy story. If you think true crime and comedy should never, ever, ever, never go together, maybe we're not for you. But maybe give it a shot. We might be. But if we're not, no complaining later. So that said, let's sit back and clear the lungs,immy i think it's time let's do it sit back clear the lungs and shout shut up and give me murder murder thank you very much everybody and that we have to say

live shows it's almost like the cities have a competition for who's going to shout at the loudest this year it's pitts's Pittsburgh and Boston are head to head. They were both. Pittsburgh was so good. They were so. Boston was, too, though. Ever so clear. Boston was, too, though.

That old Wilbur felt like it was rattling. That was pretty good, too. I heard every letter at the same time. Yeah. They announced. Yeah, well, it was, you know, obviously marred by the Boston accent over there. It was like, shut up and give me Moira. Yay.

That's not a Boston accent, but I'm mixing all the different areas around. It was a general cacophony. Hodgepodge, yeah. Hodgepodge, yeah. In the Midwest, they were very precise about it. So that said, let's go on a trip here. And we are going to go to Ohio this week. Okay.

Again, one of our favorites. I'm telling you, it never lets us down, Ohio. There's plenty of murder, so there's a lot to choose from. It's the creme de la creme of murder is what you get here. We're going to Montville Township, Ohio. Okay. This is in north central Ohio, about a half hour outside of Akron. That's what it is. It's about 45 minutes to cleveland so it's in that area so

we've been there it's not yeah it's the best area it's a little bit bleak 25 minutes to coventry township which was kind of like in cleveland if i remember in akron almost which was disturbing depraved and disgusting was the name of the episode gross this is in medina county the motto a wonderful place to live a great place to do business yeah it's just it's just repurposing every other one that's all that is that's we heard some other town had this motto and we liked it so we took it that's that should be their real motto live work and play we'll repurpose that let's do that shine it up with different work shine it up a little put a little spit shine on it. Why not?

History of this town here. Back in the 1800s, when this town is, you know, this area is coming about, there's a lot of game there, but also a lot of snakes and rattlesnakes and all that sort of thing. Yikes. So there were certain people who were like, they were the guys who would go get the game, and it was dangerous to go hunt. Trappers and hunters. Trappers and hunters,

and also people who would get rattlesnakes out of people's homes, because they would get under the boards and make nests, and you'd have- Pest control? Rattlesnakes in your house, yeah. But it's strictly for rattlesnakes.

You'd call the snake. Just call the snake man. That's it. We know from any time you see like in a Hollywood situation, if there's any kind of snake wrangler or bug person, that's the weirdest person you'll ever meet in your life. They don't know other humans. They live amongst reptiles and that's it. There's no other life. They sleep with them crawling on them.

And they don't mind it at all. They're like, it's actually comfortable. It's actually comforting to have a python slither over you. When I sleep in a hotel, I can't really do it without bringing my Madagascar hissing beetles. I do that, yeah. Well, it's more like a white noise for you. I told you to get a machine, but you're like, the beetles are the only thing that'll work. And I'm like, fine.

It's all that works. Whatever. I guess use them. The real thing or nothing. It's all that works. Whatever. It's the real, yeah. I guess use them.

The real thing or nothing. So a guy named Parker Pelton was one of the most successful game hunters in the early days here. And he was known to be a supplier of meats. Yeah, Pelton. A man named Pelton goes and gets pelts. Hilarious. He goes and gets Pelton's pelts. I mean, no wonder why the business was successful.

It's the only one that people at Snappy, you know? He's pelting them up. The Rogers guy's got some pelts, and Mr. Jenkins has pelts. But I don't know. Pelton's Pelts just sound better, don't they? I just want one of his. I feel like they're nicer. I don't even care if it's a piece of shit. I'm lying.

I just feel like it's nicer. I just, the sign makes me feel good about myself. I think he made that last name on purpose. I don't know. Parker Pelton's Pelts. The first stage name without a stage. The first game hunter stage name, maybe. I like alliteration, damn it.

So in those days, though, the people were afraid of the woods as they were also full of bears and wildcats. So anyone who had the balls still are yeah it was we saw driving anyone who has the balls to go into the woods and fight the bears and come back with like a beaver pelt you know that you were the hero back then hey and a bear and a bear yeah so um the uh a guy named john clark became lost while hunting and friends and neighbors organized a search party and and they eventually rescued him. But they thought he was eaten by bears, and they made a big deal out of it. The guy was gone for like five hours.

It's like a huge thing in the history of the town. Remember when John was missing? Wow. He got lost in the woods. Remember he had breakfast with us, didn't have lunch with us, but then had dinner with us? Big deal. Yeah. Big, big deal. But then he was there for dinner man it was like it was weird in 1943 a

tornado came through from the west and uh took down some barns and then it jumped a couple of highways and took down another big barn on the george fulton farm and unfortunately there were two young boys in the barn at the time, and they were killed. Oh, my God. It was like a twister situation where the barn was blown apart, and they weren't belted to a drain pipe. The other night, there was a big one in Arkansas,

and I saw a video. They have quickly become my most horrifying weather phenomena. I'm terrified of those things. When you see that i'm not a religious man you know that but god doesn't want you to live there that's what that is that's what that is and it's not even that is there's a higher power saying fucking leave yeah you could say like california with earthquakes but i feel like that's like listen if you're gonna get oceans and you know these hills and all this shit you're gonna live with this once

in a while here 20 30 years you're, you're going to have some shaking. Here, this is like God's porn closet. And he's like, get out! I'm here! I send mine winds to thwart thee. And if you don't leave, I'm going to send another one in two weeks. There's a whole season for it. Maybe that's what it's like.

Like, get out! I want privacy. They are so scary, they're they're horrifying they're the most they're the most like acute force of nature it's like all of nature is concentrated into one tiny little tunnel that can just destroy anything in its path it's unbelievable yeah so in the 80s and 90s this place grew a lot here these suburbs, people as they moved out of Cleveland and Akron and that sort of thing. So we'll give you a couple of reviews here. Not a lot of bad reviews. This place is known as like a nice, leafy, beautiful suburb where it's nice and quiet and people, you know, do OK financially.

And sure. That's especially what it was known like when this murder happened about 20 years ago so it was great every just beautiful idyllic suburb is what everybody puts it as so here's five stars family oriented with an upscale feel in a ruralish setting which sounds like ruralish which sounds like somebody's ad person but that sounds like yeah or it sounds like a lot of people uh with reclaimed barn wood and barn doors on the inside of their home a lot of those where the bathroom door doesn't shut all the way right you know and your ass and your ass scent lingers into the hallway everybody's poop is just in the air in the in the kitchen in the living room so a strong sense of community and

very friendly atmosphere close to historic downtown Medina. Oh, historic. Great access to all forms of big box and name brand shopping with the additional benefit of access to small farm meats and produce. Traffic? Question mark. No issue. Not a thing. We got you covered. Oh, boy.

That's terrific. Here's four stars. I currently live in a townhome community, and I would live here again. You live there now. You haven't left yet. What are you talking about? Just stay. That's a religious person. When I come back, I'm going to be here again.

Just stay, bro. That's all. You don't have to go anywhere. No one's telling you to leave, are they? Well, that might be a criminal on the run. That's true. Man, when I'm on the lam, boy. It's a bummer I got to leave.

If I can get away from the fbi i'm coming back here someday it's a bummer the fbi got my tail damn it uh coming from a busier area that gives me a peace of mind that i was looking for it's quiet less traffic and people seem nice and more pleasant and gen in a generally safe area the future for this area is only moving up although it may seem like a small city, new businesses have been popping up in the area. Okay. Oh boy.

Here's the three stars. This is the worst review you can find. Downtown in the Medina square is a nice place to walk around and help support the local economy. The biggest drawback for me for of this area for me would be the school district. That's it. That's all.

And we don't know what the complaint is there. I mean, who knows. So they're going to say, I love walking around down there, except I have no legs, except that my legs were taken by the poison water in this town or something weird. So people in this town, 11,993, about 12,000 people, um, pretty average for male, female, maybe a couple more males than females. Median age is 41. It's 37 normally, so that's in the ballpark.

But it's all families. This is like all families with kids, 69.5% are married here. Is that right? Normally 50-50 in the rest of the country. This is people who don't want to get divorced because they will lose what they have. Absolutely let's just live here we have a big house you stay on that side i'll stay on this side and we'll keep all of our shit how's that you hate me i'll get a bigger house and you have to see less of me that's perfect and then when the kids come home from college we'll pretend that we're fine for a week over christmas and then back to our lives. So this is family here.

Yeah, there's that. Divorce rate is lower than normal. It's less people, less single people with children. Race of this town, 92.3% white. That's pretty white for close to Cleveland and Akron. 1.2% black. Like I said, that seems light for... Yeah, bronze for me.

Yeah, 3.6% Asian uh 1.6 hispanic that's strange that there's more asian people than black and hispanic combined combined and outside of cleveland and akron it just doesn't seem who knows uh whatever uh religion not that we're saying there should there should be less asians damn it it's not what we're saying at all. It's not fair. We're just saying it's a strange distribution of demographics. Religion, it's about average here. It's normally 50-50 here. It's 52%. And they're scattered around somewhat.

But the Catholics are the highest here. Is that right? Catholics are the Baptists of the Midwest. Yeah, the Midwest is fucked. 0.0% Jewish, though. None of that. no Jewish people at all politics here it's a little bit conservative in Medina County

37.5% voted Democrat 61% voted Republican in the last election only 1.5% Independent which is low for these small towns had them made up Montville Township here the unemployment rate is about the national average at about 3.3 right now, which is like when they do economic models,

that's dangerously low because there's not enough people to fill jobs and shit. Competition, yeah. That's very low. So the average income here, though, the median household income is $103,264. They are doing great. They're doing fantastic. The median average, the rest of the country, $53,482. So that tells you a lot.

The cost of living here, $100 is average. Here it's $104. Not even that bad. Very average, yeah. Housing, $122. The median home cost, $333,500. And I'll bet they're fantastic. A lot of them have nice big properties.

It's not like quarter acres. It's, you know, you got an acre. A couple acres, three acres. Yeah, it's nice. And if we've convinced you you're looking for a slower pace of life. Yeah, stretch out a bit. Stretch out a bit. Stretch out a bit. Get some lawn under those toes.

We have for you the Montville Township, Ohio, real estate report. Okay, your average two-bedroom rental here is about $893. Not bad. Which is low, but there are no rentals, really, in this place. This is mainly single-family homes. These are kind of listings for Medina County, kind of around here, not in the town proper. Here's a three-bedroom, one-bath. It is 936 square feet, so pretty small.

Yeah. It looks like shit from the outside, but inside it's okay. Like, they've kept it nice and clean, and they've done what they can in here. There is Cleveland Browns shit everywhere. Oh, no. Hopefully that doesn't come with the house, because that's going to drive away most everybody. Hope that's not permanent. No shit.

I feel like they've been up a long time based on the sign of the bathroom which i know has been up a long time in the bathroom it says this is a bathroom not an internet cafe okay which i haven't heard the words internet cafe since like 1996 that's right i was in like 10th grade the last time i heard that word internet cafe yeah there were there were cds of the internet being yeah the people when that word was yeah hey 25 free hours look at me that's the last time that happened holy shit um interesting though cat stuff everywhere too so you know it smells like cat you know there's cat hair embedded in that carpet one hundred thousand dollars though so wow pretty cheap anyway it's a small house here we go two bedroom three bath four 881 square feet all right okay with

two bedroom three bath i don't know what the deal is with two bedroom three bath very strange it's a weird place it's gigantic but it only has a couple of rooms that look like they like like inhabit them oh and the rest of it is like abandoned basically like they were like fuck the rest of the house we'll just keep these clean and stay here and the rest of the house can fucking fall apart and be in smaller thousand square feet that's a lot of walking around room it's a lot but i mean it's full of shit it's almost like a hoarder house downstairs in certain spots upstairs there's ceiling falling down like it Upstairs, there's ceiling falling down. Like, it's falling apart.

There's ceiling half down, water damage. There's kiddie pools in places that are half full of water that obviously are to collect from the ceiling. This is the second nicest house, Jay? This is the second nicest house, and it's not nice. And then there's a a couple of like bedrooms that clearly old people live in this is a big house that have gotten away from the older people that live there that's what has happened um 175 000 bucks though for 4 000 square feet a house almost 5 000 it's 4 900 square feet that's unbelievable then four bedroom four bath 2603 square feet

big newer brick house. Nothing weird about it. It's got a weird kind of a balcony thing, but it's a nice new house. Not a lot of personality to it. $549,500, though. My God. It's in a nice neighborhood and all that. You're paying for it.

You're paying for it. Things to do in this town. Here we go. Okay. All right. This is my favorite the railroad camp what remember the beginning of blazing saddles when they're like working on the railroad that didn't look fun that looked like that looked forced you know what i mean um here it says join the northeastern ohio live steamers which sounds disgusting sounds like gross live steamers the a lot of people

getting the shit on their chest come on everybody yeah it's the it's a guinness world records thing you know sometimes the town will like line up the biggest meatball sandwich ever made it's like three blocks this is the largest steamer operation they do it right in town square the kids come it's nice everybody lays shoulder to shoulder whoever wins you get to do it on in town square the kids come it's nice everybody lays shoulder to shoulder whoever wins you get to do it on a float the next saturday and then as at the front of the parade with the mayor on the back waving so the n-e-o-l-s that is uh it's a railroad camp uh in the summer campers will have opportunities to experience track and switch construction what they get to build railroads they get to lay track they get to and then They get to build railroads. They get to lay track.

They get to, quote, experience that. Oh, boy. I think track installation and to learn safe operation of electric, diesel, and steam locomotives. This is a work camp is what this is. Learning during the week will be culminated on Friday

with campers giving train rides to their relatives okay oh open to youths uh youths open to youths 10 to 14 years there is a 45 program fee and uh that's how that goes and uh participants are to provide their own bag lunches and transportation to and from the lester rail train track yeah that's called work bring a sack of lunch and build a track that's work and lay some track and then we won't pay you as a matter of fact for that'll be 45 please and uh on friday you're gonna take some people out and drive them around the track yeah which they're gonna then tell people what a great place we have that's what that is that's gonna get advertising unbelievable 45 please a labor work a railroad

track labor work camp what is that's not that doesn't sound fun that sounds terrible and then finally the yankee peddler festival just i like the name of that it sounds crazy uh town criers update festival goers with events happening on the fairgrounds throughout the day visit the militia and mountain men or learn crafts with hands-on instruction visit with the master crafters and artists while they demonstrate the way to transform nature into something unique for you and yours okay yikes you get to make woodworking and you get to make belt buckles um you get to do shit like that um it sounds really boring this sounds like something it's like 1700s 1776 to 1825 colonial times and all of our crafters and vendors are required to wear uh dress in year appropriate attire at all times all times festival and they're all built

belt buckles and they're also expected to provide educational displays and written histories of their crafts as well so you got to do a uh what's that called at the end of the year when you do a college thing i didn't go to college so i don't know it's a present uh dissertation dissertation you need a dissertation on whatever you have and that's your final exam on how you became a fucking cobbler, how you are a cobbler, why and what year your shoes are from. So good luck, everybody. Crime rate. Well, we're interested in here. Very low in both regards.

Really? Property crime is one third of the national average. So fascinating. Two thirds low. And then violent crime, murder, rape, robbery. And, of course, assault is also the Mount Rushmore of crime, obviously, is also that's even lower. It's under one third of the national average. It's basically nothing.

No one's nobody. Yeah. I mean, you got a hundred thousand dollars a year. It'll make you quite the citizen. Yeah. There's some room to room is the other thing. That's the thing. Room and money.

Room and money. Everybody wants. You walk outside. If your neighbor's pissing you off, you go. Yeah. And thing. Room and money? That's what everybody wants. You walk outside, if your neighbor's pissing you off, you go, and you go inside your nice house where you have room and you tell whoever about it and then you go out for a nice dinner because you don't give a shit. Commiserate and go have a steak.

It's way different than if you had groundhog for breakfast. Gross. You had groundhog for breakfast and there's a parrot telling you what's going on. Groundhog for breakfast and there's a parrot telling you what's going groundhog for breakfast and purple drank and vodka from breakfast if you haven't listened if you snack if you haven't listened to the small town murder express episodes you need to do yourself a favor and go and check those out because they are insane so let's start with

let's talk about a murder here let's do it okay i'm into this let's do it okay late october 2002 is where we have to start out oh post 9-11 post 9-11 yeah we're in a people have cell phones yeah there's the internet it's all we all get along at this time there's flags everywhere we're all smiling because united we stand james somewhat unless you you know were unfortunate enough to be like a Sikh or something where you were like I'm good point yeah yeah why are you doing those I have no idea what that is I yeah I I knew a guy in Arizona who was a Sikh and he said it was a fucking nightmare he's like I can imagine you'd walk into a room and just be like you'd have to like explain what a seek was to everybody don't worry before you ask you know let me tell you as he said every time so anyway uh well we got to

talk about a young lady here uh joe lynn one word joe lynn mishney m-i-s-h-n-e mishney so she is 17 years old at this point in time. She's a junior in high school. Yeah. Doing fine. You know, why not? Crushing it. Crushing it. She goes to Medina High.

Her dad, she lives with her father. Her father's 73 years old, by the way. My God. What is that math? That's a lot. 50-something. Yeah, he was like 54 when she was. I think he's 71 at this point. So he's in his mid-50s when she was born. And her mother's a lot he's in his 50 something yeah he was like 54 when she was because i think he's 71 at this point so okay she yeah he's in his mid-50s when she was born yeah and her mother's a lot younger

her father's about 30 years older than her mother oh so yeah that's how that goes they're divorced now though so okay yeah that didn't work out didn't work out but they did have joe lynn so that worked out that's good um from what everybody says she is an extremely nice girl um she is described by one person as sweet and guileless so she's not aggressive she's not doesn't play street fighter no she does not if she does she uses ryu that's the thing okay she every time you know um guile is your guts and your you know your kind of drive forward you know you're you're some can do she won't come back at you she's sweet she's kind she's not like uh you know not looking to fuck people and to get ahead and do all that shit she's just kind of a nice person

do it on merit and shit on merit and shit and she's sweet she's very kind is the other thing she meets a young man um there she knows of him because she he goes to the same school but they don't really know each other well or anything like that and he's only 15 so 17 year old girls don't know a lot of 15 year old boys that well unless they're you know friend little brothers of their friends or something they don't give a shit about your if you're 15 and a boy in high school you are invisible to anyone your age or older. Invisible. And when it comes to girls, they have no interest in you whatsoever.

None. Yeah. Zero. So she meets this young man named Dustin Lynch. Yeah. So Dustin is 15, like we said. She meets him outside of Denny's. Okay.

She came to Denny's to give a friend a ride home because she's so nice. And he was outside and he was 15 and she kind of recognized him from school. Like she'd seen him but doesn't know him. That sort of thing. He was outside begging people for a place to sleep that night. Oh, Dustin. He's outside. Go home.

Well, he said he was scared to go home. His home life's not good. And he's just really scared. And he just needs a place to stay for a few nights till some trouble at home blows over. And it's safer to go back there. Jesus. So this really strikes Jolene's heartstrings, obviously, because she's a kind person. And this is like there's a puppy outside, basically, a 15-year-old kid who's like, my home life is too dangerous to be there.

When is this? Is this summer or winter? This is October, late October. Yeah, it's like, my home life is too dangerous to be there. When is this? Is this summer or winter? This is October, late October. Yeah, it's cold. So fall. Yeah, it's getting cold. You don't want to sleep outside on October 28th, really, in Ohio. We were just there in April.

It was freezing. We were there a couple weeks ago. It was so cold in Ohio. It was unreal. Drove from Pittsburgh to Ohio and drove through every form of water that falls from the sky every single form it kept changing back and forth it was fun it was like we'd go over a hill be like hey it's snowing now look at this look at this we went through west virginia too we had to get through it quickly because we figured there's an apb out for us

there we know there is right through the talent of the chicken they hate us now they have to they're like god damn son of a bitch is making fun of groundhog where are they setting radar traps on new york plates on that car i picture jackie gleason from smoky and the bandit out there just trying to track us down boss hog is involved in it i don't know what's happening so she he's begging for a place so she she brought him home. She brought him home to her house like a puppy, like I found this puppy outside. Don't feed it. Yeah, no, don't feed it. Put it back out there. So the father here, his name is Merle, which sounds like a 70-something-year-old man.

Yeah, I like him. Merle Mishney. He goes by Mickey. Everybody calls him Mickey. Why? Merle's such a kick-ass name. Merle's a pretty cool name. That's pretty badass.

He's trying to smooth his edges out a little bit, maybe. Mickey's been very successful in his life, as we'll find out. I think he's retired now, but he does some business things, but he doesn't have a 9-to-5 job in his 70s here. But yeah, from what I understand, he's got a nice property. He's got a barn. He's got a barn he's got a lotus in his in his barn oh we'll find out he keeps a look somewhere in ohio if barn find people there's a lotus in a barn out there so get to looking we know so um she brings him home and says dad you know merle mickey dad yeah i got guy over here, Dustin, and he has no place to stay, and he's scared, and he's asking people for a ride at Denny's.

He's going to get kidnapped. He's only 15. He's a small little guy, Dustin, too. He's not a big guy at all. He's a real non-threatening-looking little dude. He's short, skinny. You know how in high school some kids look like they're 25 and some kids look like they're 12? Yeah.

He's one of the ones that looks like he's 12, not 25. Unfamiliar. Yeah, he's not like no beard or anything like that. Yeah. He looks prepubescent almost at this point in his life. In May of 1980 near Anaheim, California, Dorothy Jane Scott noticed her friend had an inflamed red wound on his arm and seemed unwell. She insisted on driving him to the local hospital to get treatment. While he waited for his prescription, Dorothy went to grab her car to pick him up at the exit,

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The Official Jinx Podcast. Listen on Max or wherever you get your podcasts. So, like I said, they went to the same school. They didn't know each other. So she felt comfortable enough with him because, you know, they go to the same school. You know what's going to happen. So the father here, Mickey, agrees and allows him to stay for about a week. This kid stays.

He is allowed to sleep in a sleeping bag on joelin's bedroom floor with the door open with the door open that's the that's mickey's rules here he says listen you guys can this is fine but you shut it i'll take it off the fucking hinge sleeping bag but he's also a 70 year old man who probably doesn't stay up all night so you know what i mean yeah um yeah so each night he was there was like he was like the, you know, the pet basically is a new kid that lived at the house. He would sleep on the sleeping bag. They'd go to a neighbor's house where her friend lived and they would her and her friend would do homework together. And Dustin would sit and and play Grand Theft Auto three for hours while she did her homework. Sure. You know, whatever. Now, 3 is the one right before Vice City. Yeah.

And then Vice City, and then you had San Andreas. Yeah, Vice City changed the game. Yeah, Vice City. 3 is just... 3 is pretty crappy, if I'm being honest here. But for the time,

it was remarkable. It was great. But then Vice City came out, and you were like, oh. And then it's like, why would you play anything else? What do you need? And then when San Andreas came out, you were like, oh, Vice City was remarkable. It was great. But then Vice City came out, and you were like, oh. And then it's like, why would you play anything else? What do you need?

And then when San Andreas came out, you were like, oh, Vice City was garbage. You couldn't even walk normal. It was all. Yeah. Yeah. They've improved those games a lot. Anyway. Enough of our Grand Theft Auto talk.

That was. That's what they were doing. What a game, though. It's so fun. Grand Theft Auto is a type of game. A lot of people don't like it, but it's the type of game that if you don't want to do like missions or you don't want to go blow things up or anything like that you can just it's a driving game then yeah you can go get lost and have a great time or yeah you can find it's

there's all sorts of things to do yeah you can just drive around you can just be like hi i wonder you know i do like how far does this go helicopter flight simulator this is fun it's pretty cool i want to drive this car off a mountain and see if i can land it on its wheels that's fun you know shit like that so you can play it in a fun way even if you hate it now dustin lynch let's talk about who he is at this point this poor little puppy dog guy taken in dangerous at home um he's also a department of youth services parolee and a runaway from their uh from a juvenile facility so there's no home there well there is a home but that the home does suck but they're all he also knows that's they're gonna look from there because he's like you know on the on the run here uh he's

about a month short of being 16 he's about 15 he's 15 late 15s and eventually over the course of this week jolin becomes attached to him she likes him becomes affectionate with him trusting with him and uh all this type of thing uh she's described in in court documents later as she was emotionally attached to him and physically close to him so it's not in a. So it sounds like they're kind of forming a relationship of, you know, I guess a romantic nature. I'm not sure whether it is or not. A little more than friends. From all indications, it seems like it. It seems like a romantic.

It's taking that turn, but we can't know for sure. So he ends up staying there. And the whole time, the dad feels bad for him. He's scared to go home. He's going to kick some kid out who's scared to go home. I can't go home because it's scary there.

I'm going to toss him out. Where's he going to go after that? He's going to go to Denny's and beg people for a ride, and then he's going to get picked up by some weirdo who's going to cut his head off and be a small-town murder episode.

And it's my fault. It's my fault I made a small town murder. That's how he's going to feel. Yeah. Nobody wants to give us any help. That's what it is. He's got a heart. So who the hell is this poor kid?

I'd love to know. Let's find out. Well, he's got a long history of unsuccessful rehabilitations in the juvenile justice system here. He's so young. He's had a lot of problems. I'll talk about his record. I have his whole record here. He's so young. He's had a lot of problems. I'll talk about his record. I have his whole record here. It's a lot.

His father, never around. Sure. Absent most of the time. From what everybody says in court and everything else, his mother is not a good parent, just kind of a shit parent. In court, the judge calls her an ineffective parent at one point. Okay. So not great.

According to some, because he goes through a lot of counseling and shit when you're a kid this age who keeps getting arrested. So the counselor said that, and psychiatrist said that the only male influences in his life were his mother's, quote, many husbands and boyfriends. Yikes. So just a revolving door of bad guys coming in and out and uh they said with the exception of the man that she's married to now uh they were all either abusive and or demeaning or both god damn it to dustin so uh they said though they're in his reports here when he's 15 when he's he's in juvenile hall or juvenile whatever detention facility when he's 15, they say the juvenile is intellectually and emotionally capable of overcoming his poor upbringing, but he has never shown the slightest inclination to do so. So he can do it.

He just doesn't want to try. He's smart enough. And they said he understands not just having the capacity, intellectual capacity. He understands the world. He gets what's going on, and he just doesn't give a shit, and he doesn't want to fix it. He doesn't want to do any better. That's what they're saying here. While awaiting adjudication as a delinquent child, he was under a community control sanction or was on parole, which is, which is a parole for a prior delinquent child, delinquent child adjudication or conviction.

So he's on kiddie parole. Boy, oh boy. He's on kiddie parole when he's like 13, 14, which is a lot. He was on parole with the Department of Youth Services for this and everything. Now, here are some of his highlights of his life here. In 1999, so he's 13 years old, his offense was unruly behavior, like some sort of disorderly conduct for a child.

It's a youth charge, unruliness. He gets indefinite probation. So we're going to keep an eye on you, is what that is. Indefinite. Indefinite. We don't know how long this is going to take, but we're going to keep an eye on this kid. It doesn't seem to be good. In April of 2000, he is put on probation after that, and that's a continued probation.

They reevaluate him. Then he violates that again, and so he's a continued probation. They reevaluate him. Then he violates that again. And so he's rearrested. Then in January of 2001, he is found unruly again and given indefinite probation again. In March of 2001, he is arrested for theft and convicted and given continued probation. They just tack that on. In May of 2001, underage alcohol possession. So they give him a continued probation, and now he gets chemical evaluations with his...

God damn it. Now they do that. By September 14, 2001, which is three days after... Everybody's watching TV at this point. You know what I mean? Yeah, the fires are still burning. Yeah, instead he's busted for drug abuse and curfew violation and he is

again given continued probation for that again. He just keeps going in probation. December 2001, he again violates his chemical evaluation, which is not good. Then in March of 2002, he's arrested for grand theft.

Oh, boy. So it's escalating, and he is committed to the Ohio Department of Youth Services, so he's finally put in a facility of some kind, and then he violates his parole again over the summer so how does he keep doing it he just doesn't give a fuck he doesn't really at all will you hear how he's described he just and what he says personally he does not give a fuck he's just he is like he's like 1996 tupac like he like, I just got out of jail. I don't give a fuck.

I'll punch a person in a casino on camera. Fuck it. I don't care. Like, he's just doing whatever. It doesn't give a shit. So March 24, 2002. This is right after he got busted for grand theft and he was committed to the facility there. Okay?

He's in there. He's only four days after he's been put in here. there okay he's in there he's only four days after he's been put in here two corrections officers were found him sitting in the corner of his room with a big gash on his forehead oh jesus so he's just sitting in the corner big gash so they thought somebody beat him up because he's a small kid instead he'd been banging his own head against the wall there you go hard enough to know to cut it open so then he could take his own blood and write threatening words on the on the floor in front of him so he was just just dipping his fingers in his blood writing like i'll kill you fuck you all this shit and his own blood on the floor that is a

problem something's wrong with him yeah we've had people write in their own shit on the walls which is which is a larger red flag. I mean, obviously, they're different psychologically. Yeah. I'm more scared of the guy who bashes his own head open to get the blood out. Yeah. Yeah. He's willing to hurt himself for this, whereas the other guy's relieving himself.

He just had to shit. Yeah. He's just helping himself out. That was just- He's more selfish. This is convenient. It's like, I want something to make a statement. I got to shit anyway. Whereas this kid's like- He won't to make a statement. I got a shit anyway.

Whereas this kid's like. You won't give me a pencil, I'll make one. Yeah. This kid's like, I'll smash my face till I have a pen. That's another level of pissed off. So that's what that happens there. And at this moment, too, they find all of their journal entries. Because he has all these different

journals and some of these journals my own jimmy this is like a wow this is a this kid has problems man um he wrote about extremely violent thoughts towards some of his friends and of course his biological father there he wrote about his desire to go on a robbery and killing spree so that his friends and family could watch him in a car chase quote on the five six and ten o'clock news just like oj simpson oh boy okay and at that age though a lot of that sounds like cry for help you know what i mean you can't really determine yes damage because the children yeah i mean i knew kids that would do terrible things now looking back i know why they were doing it at the time you're like what is wrong with you

why did you do that but now i know you know yeah and some of them are just like they say this stuff but they have zero uh interest in actually perpetrating those kinds of crimes against people but more they don't they don't have they can't hurt look there's murderers and there's not and you can say things but whether or not you can do it is an entirely different thing it's it's five percent of the people that say crazy shit do crazy shit that's that's what it is and there's not that five percent fuck that for everybody yeah that five percent makes you really perk up your ears when you're like what did he just say that mother question he might be five percent yeah he might be the five percent or he might be another thing That 5% makes you really perk up your ears when you're like, what did he just say? That motherfucker.

He might be the 5%. Yeah. He might be the 5%. Or he might be another thing kids do, and especially a smaller kid, I would think, in like a high school situation, might say shit like that so people don't mess with him. Right. That posturing is important to keep people from fucking with you. That's survival tactics. That's all.

I didn't even think of that because that's not like a, you know. That's not a thing you ever had to do or had to be sometimes you got a mouth off not in high school yeah not in high school by high school i was six foot four so there wasn't wasn't the first guy people wanted to fuck with but you know five foot one my younger years i wasn't very big so yeah i get it um totally when i was like in seventh grade i was small i remember i was like this isn't good. Everyone's growing. What happened? Yeah. I was just like, oh, you're going to grow all at once.

That's all. You're going to grow. I did that, too. Two months. Only stopped much shorter than I hoped. When's it going to stop? Keep it going. He wrote about an incident which he claimed he walked up to a kid crossing the street. Quote, spun him around and hit him as hard as I could three times.

Then he claimed he dragged the kid into the woods and beat him with trees and rocks until he was a bloody mess. That's what he wrote in his journal. He said, quote, I never got in trouble for that, and I was proud of that. Do you think he really did it? He did he did it right i don't know that's the thing we'll talk about he's there's a lot of things that he says where you're like i don't know if that's i think he's full of shit um he also wrote about his favorite author is james patterson who's that he writes i think like spy shit like you know that sort of thing like what like if

your grandfather was reading a book it would be a james patterson i believe you know what i mean like one of those like a dean coons type that type of soul i think that sort of thing um well i think there's just a lot of like crazy action and shit in it probably he uh he said that there's a in his books there's a chief protagonist that's a homicide detective that he really likes a lot. He said reading these, though, rather than saying, oh, just being smart, he says, I think about how I could get away with murders and violence in the book. I read and read and thoughts and ideas is what I took. Take it easy, Ed Kemper. Yeah, that's not good at all.

He's not getting the right thing out of the book if you see all that in front of you and you don't take the good part and you're just like oh i could get away with this if i do this and that that's how they're trying to do it hmm that's how they saw the story is to show you there's a hero that solves the crime of the bad guy and then you feel good and then you feel good about it that's what you're supposed to not hmm how could i get away with this based on that that's not what you're doing stop rooting for the bad guy sir he's doing like murder research here yeah so he didn't refer to a specific patterson novel uh but uh he said that there's one where the perpetrators taunt police and fbi by living leaving jack and j Jill poems at the scene of the murders. Okay. So, yeah.

Now, another journal entry he makes in his careful penmanship here is when he turned 15, he wrote this passage while he was at the Medina Juvenile Detention Center here. He said, this is a quote, I've been plotting things for others i want for others i want to die that no comma like others i want to die it's for others i want to die like wants to kill people i want to hurt yeah or just wants them to die maybe just you know yeah just fall in a hole in the ground i don't know if he wants to do it by a car at this point he

hasn't said he wants anything to do with it but but who knows? I hope a piano falls on him. He said, then I realize what I'm doing and break down and cry. These are all rhyming, by the way. It's like a poem. I'm telling you this now because it's getting worse and harder for me to control. I tried to kill myself and that's very cold. I tried to kill myself because I don't want to deal with these problems that I have. Is there somebody who can help me when I'm sad? I'm crazy, I'm crazy, and nobody really knows. That's why I think it's the time to expose. Okay, well, there's music that you can listen to that makes you feel better. Oof, there's a lot of things. You can unpack that. Find somebody he relates to because he's a bad rhymer, first of all. First of all, I hope hip-hop isn't your main goal.

I feel like this kid loves the insane clown posse in 2002, don't you? Probably. Just the vibes I'm getting off of him. I feel like he's a big ICP fan. He's not an Eminem-level lyricist. No, no, no. He's rhyming cold and control. Control and cold.

That's precarious at best that's yeah i mean at least he didn't try to rhyme pay and paid like kanye but still yeah so he's he's as good at rapping as kanye perfect he's a fred durst level of rap oh yeah there we go he's got a durst did that roland uh thing with uh with method man and i'm so mad at method man for legitimizing that horse shit it was already out there though but method man puts out this this fantastic uh unbelievable set of bars and then what do you think they pay Method Man for that? Limp Bizkit, asshole. I hope a billion dollars. That's what I mean. Like, that cost him, I'm sure.

Yeah. Hard. And then Fred Durst comes in rhyming red and bad. Fuck you. If you're Fred Durst, how do you want Method Man around you? Honestly. Don't let him rhyme near me. Jesus Christ.

Jesus, God. Get out of here. Isn't there somebody from like the 80s we can put in here right the hip hip hip to the hoppa those guys are they around ll cool j please the sugar hill i need love girl bring him in i'll sound cool next to him come on i'll sound tough oh he was great don't talk shit he's great he's not a great he's not a great rapper. No, no, he's hilarious. He is. He's a comedian that decided to do crazy songs as his comedy. Girl, girl. He's screaming it, sounding drunk.

He did sound drunk. You got what I need. He might as well have been saying, I'm sitting on your front steps and you're not home. Are you out at the bar? Where you at, bitch? That might as well be his so it sounds like the guy with the lights come on in the bar and he's just like fuck i didn't hook up girl girl you got what i need crying in the steps and then he falls asleep he made children shows so much easier to watch being

business beat of the day on that yo gabba gabba yeah fantastic god damn i miss him that show is a nightmare besides that fuck where's biz again this is a fucking bitch man no more this is a fucking bitch, man. No more. This is a bitch. This is a bitch, man. This show's a motherfucker. That giant studded dildo talking to me. That one eye, for Christ's sake. What else was that supposed to be? As comedians, we can't cover Yo Gabba Gabba.

That's been done to death. Everything we're saying has been covered 12 times by better comics than us, probably. Oh, God damn it. It was so much. It was a lot. We're about 20 years late on talking about it think but still yeah bad though bad shit terrible fucking nightmare you don't make that anymore right no no i don't i think yeah i mean maybe dj lance is probably on the bigger better things by now he was successful as fuck with that show yeah yeah

i'm sure he's doing some other weird kid show i don't know some more different sex toys are coming to talk to the kids one of those fuck machines is now talking to the kid that's the main character it's a fuck machine that talks in vibrations and they go fuck machine said this that and this okay and then all the kids go figure it out, whatever the mystery or whatever it is. It's a super special fuck machine, and it's telling us exactly what to do. Let it lead the way, guys. It's telling us about our no-no place. It's fucking terrible.

It's going to lead us to the no-no place. To my no-no land. That's where they all live, in no-no land on that show. Yes, they do. Yo Gabba Gabba 2. It's a fuck machine in a place called no-no land. So I feel like this poem, if you look at it, though, from what he's trying to say, the first line is, I've been plotting things for others i want to die and the last line last couple lines are i'm crazy and nobody really knows that's why

i think it's the time to expose that sounds like i'm going to kill people yeah i get that's what i get nobody recognizes it and i'm gonna show them yeah exactly yeah it's time to show everyone how crazy i am since they don't fucking know and the first line was i'd like people to die so when i put those together that doesn't sound great. He really sandwiched it with some hard thoughts. So he has some other problems, too. He's placed on Paxil in 2002. He had stolen the van.

They put him in there. He bashed his head open. He's writing crazy fucking poetry. They put him on Paxil. Something. That was the best one that i used yeah and well this kid obviously needs something i mean there's he's he's out of control you can't even put him in a room without him writing you know threat writing threats in

his own blood that's crazy so he needs some cr a little bit um he was taken um abruptly off it, though, when he said he didn't like how it made him feel. So they yanked him off of it. So then he was off of it, and he went in another up and down kind of a mental state here. His mother said, quote, he was up and down constantly for different reasons. So his mother was mad because she said that he should have slowly been weaned off the drug to lessen the possibility of sudden mood swings here. Now, his probation officer, a woman named Jody Lynch, said that he tried to commit suicide twice while he was at the detention center as well. Jody Lynch? Jody Smith.

Oh, okay. Yeah, I said Lynch because his name is Lynch. Sorry about that. Jody Smith. Is it his aunt? Nope. I was looking at him and I'm looking at that. Yeah, Jody Smith, Lynch's juvenile probation officer is what I had written in front of me.

And there, there it is. It came out Jody Lynch Smith's fucking probation officer. So, um, he, she would say that he tried to commit suicide twice at the detention center. Uh, once the first time he tried to hang himself. My God that's wow and then dead serious that's pretty serious yeah you if you're stuck somewhere you can't yeah you can't get out of that you know right if you fuck something up and then change your mind yeah you're stuck that damage is permanent if it gets too far and the second time she said he tried to cut his arms so we don't know if that how serious of an if it was a if he was really going at it or if he was just trying to get some help there or something so um now the mother his mother said that she was never told about either of those attempts oh here um yeah

i don't know what the rules are for someone who's in criminal juvenile custody right you know what i mean information that's yeah yeah he's not just in a hospital. He's in a criminal facility because he stole shit and he's got like nine probation violations. And he won't stop. Yeah, exactly. But there's still a minor. So I don't know what the rules are of having to tell the parents or say, no, you don't have to. At that point, they wouldn't have to get the parents permission to put him on drugs or to do anything like that because he's kind of a ward of the state at that point so anyway um she found out when he was released and she saw the marks on his arm that's how she found out and asked him she said she was angry and called the detention center called the superintendent garland r brown jr to ask why nobody called me to tell me about this why how? How could you not call me? And he said that he it's against policy to call because detention center personnel determined the attempts were not life threatening. Oh, so they were considered like, you know, kind of half assed kind of cries for help type of thing. Whatever. Not that he wasn't really going at it.

Basically, that's what they were saying. So the mother said that was so wrong of them, which, yeah, I mean, there's an argument that could be made sure for all of that we don't know how serious the attempts were not that any attempts aren't serious but sometimes yeah you know if if suicides involved whether it's uh a week you have to take it seriously serious one they're all serious yeah it's still pretty fucking important to talk about. All should be taken seriously. I can see mom's side, but also, mom, maybe get a handle on this before nine arrests. Like, what are we talking about? Were you making phone calls fucking years ago, too?

That's what I want to know. It's not like you're making all the effort to help Jesus. No shit. So between the Juvenile Detention Center and the New Horizons Youth Center here, he had been placed outside the home for more than 400 days total since his first arrest back when he was 13. Wow. So between 13 and 15,

he's done over a year of that in a facility of some kind. That's a lot. I would say, holy shit he once he got out he failed in outpatient treatment programs and drug and alcohol counseling programs he was 14 how do you fail at that i just i don't know it's weird because like when i was 14 if my if i wasn't supposed to go anywhere like they could keep me in the like there was no way to just go you weren't just like well I'm an adult and grab your car keys and go you're a child what are you fucking doing also how do you how do you have so much out access to booze that you have the ability

to abuse it so hard at 14 at 14 it's I don't know that doesn't seem like good supervision so I realize it's not impossible to get I get that but it's yeah it was oh yeah it's not so readily available like you had to stand by a liquor store and beg a man to help delinquent contribute to my delinquency and when you look 12 that's you know anyone who does that's probably a child molester that's gonna say yes to that because no one normal they're gonna go you look like you look at your nine i'm not buying you booze right you know it's not like oh yeah you're clearly 19 and who gives a fuck? You're going to go party with your friends, whatever.

That's a different story. This is like, yeah, let's get some booze. I'll even show you how to drink it, sonny boy. Come on. Hop on in. We got homeless, man, and we paid him extra, and that was nice. That's what you do. That's what you do.

That's the move. You take an extra 10 for you. You go do whatever. Get whatever in there, or go get whatever you want. I don't give a shit. We know it's a premium. We get it. Right. As as a child you know you're paying a premium i know beer costs more i know what it costs like i put an extra you know 40 surcharge on anything i paid the vig let's go so they said in one document no juvenile sanction has deterred this boy his behavior

has progressed from being wayward and truant to committing misdemeanors to committing felony thefts no treatment has been successful that's a damning report from your probation officer is he doing all this by himself too he needs friends he's got friends that's the problem he hangs out with fuckheads but mainly he doesn't have like a group he from what i understand he gets different groups of friends and tries to use his i'm crazy and i'll do all this shit as i'm like the leader of this group and you know you're all going to be afraid of me i'm that guy that's kind of his an eagle scout friend yeah he needs like uh yeah he needs like a the big brother you know like he needs like a

21 year old dude who like you know did this and did like a year in adult prison and then got out and got his shit together and now he's in college like he needs somebody like that to be like yo man you're fucking up dude yeah you know i got you know you don't want to know what happened to me in jail shit like that that's what he needs but he doesn't give a fuck that's the thing i don't even think he would listen to that there's i don't think this think this is fucked by now. This is almost like, remember on The Wire? It's been a while since we've said that.

But remember on The Wire, fourth season, when they're figuring out that they have, if you never saw it, they go to this school and they want to have a program of intervention for what they call corner kids. The kids that are obviously at threat of dropping out to be out on the streets, right? Right. They're already in it or they're in danger of being there. Yeah, and they're trying to figure out what age group to look at. And they say, well, you know, maybe like 15, 16,

and the school people are like, That's too late by then. They're already gone by then. And they're like, no, no, no, we could talk to him. And they talk to this one kid and they sit him down and he's like, yo, fuck you, I'll pimp your fucking wife out you cunt motherfucker they're like whoa holy shit okay yeah maybe that's a little too far yeah we gotta get them when they're eight yeah and then they go to like well then they go to like eighth grade and the kids are like 12 and 13 and like you know a

kid will like throw gum at the chalkboard and they're like i think this is this is the level we can handle like this this isn't yeah they're not threatening police officers from across the table with physical violence to sexually assault their wives yeah that's what they would say like so that's kind of what i feel like here he's past the point of where i don't know if i don't know if just i don't know if you can take him in and i don't think you can hug this out of him at this point is what i'm getting at he needs that but i don't think i don't think there's any like yes i don't think there's any scared straight shit that can be done either it needs to be uh focused very pick the pick the reason and explain to him why we're doing this because he gets it now because he's fucking stealing but and he but like you put him in and

his thing is you won't break me i'll break my fucking head open and right on the floor taunts to you like you're not going to break me. I'll always go farther than you. Like that's his whole. It's impossible. I don't know. You lock that kid up and then just use him as an example and learn from him to figure out what to do for the other kids. But how do you do that?

Lock him up on what? So I mean, how do you do it? So nothing's been successful. him up on what so any it's i mean how do you do it so nothing's been successful they said that um his probation officer said that services and treatment can only begin when the child's out of detention and compliant with court orders like to show up for treatments he's supposed to have she says though but the boy immediately violates orders and re-offends he does not cooperate with treatment the one thing here, this is a quote, the child is emotionally, physically, or psychologically mature enough for the

transfer to another facility. They said that the physical examination indicates that he presents a normal 16 year old with no physical infirmities. He's got no brain damage or anything like that. They say also, they talked to to his friends they say that he's uh he uh is average size he's a little small but he's not

like you know anything that would get made fun of and he's very socially active okay likes to talk to people doesn't like hole up by himself yeah they said this dr Dr. Evans says that, quote, the juvenile is one of the most complex individuals that he has encountered in his long experience with disturbed and delinquent youths. The doctor says that this juvenile could be rehabilitated in the juvenile system, but only if it were if he were greatly motivated under optimum conditions. So he'd have to want it and everything would have to go great and then maybe we could fix him. Otherwise, he's a lost cause is what the doctor says. It's all a lighthearted nightmare on our podcast Morbid. We're your hosts.

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I'd just like to go ahead and say that if there's no band called Malevolent Deity, that is pretty great. A dash of sarcasm and just garnished a bit with a little bit of cursing. This mother f***er lied. Like a liar. Like a liar.

And if you're a weirdo like us and love to cozy up to a creepy tale of the paranormal, or you love to hop in the Wayback Machine and dissect the details of some of history's most notorious crimes you should tune in to our podcast morbid follow morbid on the wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts you can listen to episodes early and ad free by joining wondery plus and the wondery app or on apple podcasts they said that uh there's nothing in this juvenile's past pointing to a sincere desire to turn his life around. Dustin Lynch is defiant and hostile.

He engages in precocious and unhealthy sexual relationships without shame. What? Yeah, older women, chicks. He says he lost his virginity when he was 12 and has been had all sorts of sexual activity since then. Yeah. Crazy stuff. He abuses drugs and alcohol without regret. He commits crimes and violates court orders without fear of consequences.

This is terrible. They said that his father has been missing in action for most of the boy's life. He has just lately shown an interest in Dustin. His ineffectual mother has been distracted by her complicated love life. She never provided the boy with a stable home. Oh, my. Yeah. This is an amazing quote.

Dustin Lynch is happy when he's having sex, using drugs, or breaking the law. Well, yeah. Who isn't? Who the fuck isn't? You just described fun, but you can't do that all the time. You just described a lot of 35-year-old men. Yeah. You just described a lot of everybody.

Sex, drugs, breaking the law. We all love that. We all love to speed. We all love a little, whether it's some wine or some fucking weed or whatever you got going on, some drugs, and who the hell doesn't like sex? Yeah, that seems obvious. There you go. I mean, but he's 15.

He really shouldn't know what any of those things feel like yet. Right. That's the problem that they're dealing with at this point. He shows some progress only when he is locked up, is what the doctor goes on to say. Quote, he is not well. He is profoundly disordered. Okay. Hey.

So after divorcing his mother, after divorcing his father, took up with a series of, quote, boozers and losers is what the doctor described it as. This guy's like a country singer. He's great losers and losers is all she hooked up with beating the bar till he's just a bad seed some sort of ballad of a yeah criminal coming up boozers i'm pretty sure dustin lynch is a country singer name too it is actually yeah it apps there i had a feeling. There is absolutely. I found him.

And I was like, later on when I'm looking stuff up, I'm like, no. He's a popular guy. He's got some model wife that he's got standing next to. He's a handsome guy. It's ridiculous. Yeah. Sings douche country. The opposite of this guy, though.

Yeah. Successful and not in trouble all the time. Dustin Lynch. Boozes and boozes. opposite of this guy though yeah successful and not in trouble all the time it's it he uh he said that dustin talked candidly about all the men in his mother's life during several interviews that were used to compile his psychological assessment. Well, he's in juvie there. At one point, Evans says that Lynch seemed to be crying out for help. He said his attitude toward his mother was, quote, Why are you dating all these losers and leaving me with them? Don't you know what you're doing to me?

Yes. Terrible. That's yes terrible that's awful that's awful and you feel bad for a kid up until the point that other people are in danger that's where you feel terrible for a kid and then you're like oh hold on a second here now now the rest of the herd is in danger now you're now we need to separate you at some point and figure out how to fix this shit. So back to Jolynn. Okay. Remember Jolynn Mishney here. So it's Jolynn and dad, who is Merle, Mickey Mishney.

Mickey Mishney there. 73 years old here or whatever, 71 to 73, somewhere in there. Jolynn, 17, and they're all at the house. Same house, yeah. So her father describes Joe lynn as quote she was an expert in talking to two or three different people on two or three different phones at the same time she's very devoted to her friends holy shit yeah she's she's a 17 year old girl this is like the typical that she's super social she's talking to hear what this one said you do this are you going

here we you know she's got a lot of friends she's popular she's sweet nice. She's like, did you hear what this one said? Did you do this? Are you going here? She's got a lot of friends. She's popular. She's sweet, nice. Why not? She keeps it all straight. Yeah, tons of friends. She does well for herself. So November 2nd, 2002, we come to.

Now, Mickey Mishney has to go out of town for the day and run some errands. So he's gone for the day. And he comes home about 5.45 in the evening and walks upstairs and sees JoLynn laying in her room and what he thinks is an attempt at suicide. He calls 911 and tells the paramedics,

please come here. I think my daughter tried to kill herself there's a knife sticking out of her abdomen oh man and there's a note sitting next to her so i'm assuming that that's a suicide note and she tried to kill herself she's a 17 year old kid you know you never know anything could happen so um the paramedics get there and find a kitchen knife protruding from like her sternum area. So, I mean, it was right there and, um, she is definitely no longer with us here. Yeah. She's passed away once they get there. Now, what happened?

Exactly. Well, um, Joanne, Jolynn was sleeping in her bed at one point in the morning. JoLynn was sleeping in her bed at one point in the morning. And apparently while she was sleeping, she was beaten. Her head was crushed with one of the bedposts from her bed. Wow. You know how heavy a fucking bedpost is? Yeah.

She was beaten. Solid wood. Pummeled to absolutely destroy her head. And then, um, she was stabbed with a knife twice in her abdomen as well. And then the knife left sticking out of her. Um, yeah.

So, um, it was, uh, he was, she was struck four times in the head with a three foot long section of bedpost and then stabbed twice with a kitchen knife. So,

um, yeah, the, the, her father said, when I came home that night, I found my daughter knife. So, yeah, her father said, when I came home that night, I found my daughter murdered. So that is awful. Quote, she had a four-poster bed,

and the posts were virtually the same length and shape as a baseball bat. Quote, Dustin Lynch took one of the bed posts. Her head had been smashed flat as a pancake. Oh, my God. That's what her father said. Her head had been smashed flat as a pancake, and god that's what her father said her his head had been smashed flat as a pancake and he had to find that oh my god that is fucking horrific and that's a bedpost that happened first smashed her head flat as a pancake then dustin went into the kitchen and got a kitchen knife and stabbed her twice also and left it sticking in her stomach i think the

bedpost was plenty probably yeah you know he's You know, if that wasn't bad enough, he then steals her car, takes her car. And so the police are on the hunt for a 1999 Chevy Cavalier, a black one with a personalized license plate that says one Jolin. So if you're going to steal a car car maybe not the one with the personalized license plate with a girl's name on it that's the least inconspicuous thing ever jesus christ so the autopsy shows that uh she suffered a head injury from being hit with the blunt object and the stab wound they can't even tell which one killed her basically it was such a hodgepodge either one could have worked they said either one is cause of death. So they're obviously searching for the car. Four hours go by.

Four fucking hours go by. And I believe that it's finally spotted in nine at 940 p.m. And I believe if I'm not mistaken, it's the same Denny's that she had picked him up that he's asking for food at. Yeah. Now he's there. He was asking for a place to stay. Now he's there hanging out in her car driving it with several other kids in the car hanging out they're just hanging out he went and

picked people up and said yeah let's go over here we'll fucking drink some beers and boy he just went and hung out bro he didn't even like he didn't even leave town like it was nothing um yeah it's fucking crazy it's absolutely crazy so dad here mic Mickey, he's got to feel fucking terrible for letting this get into the house. You would think, yeah, he found the body. And he told police that this was a school-aged acquaintance of his daughter. And he stayed there a few days. He told the police, quote, he was here under false pretenses and under a false name i don't know what name he used but there we go now the big thing here is

we've described him up to this point um do we try him as an adult or what yes because it happens a month before his 16th birthday remember he's a month shy of that but at the same time yeah they're also saying can they they can they can go for do hearings but it's not an automatic so they're wondering should we or is there basically if you put him in the youth uh system they they have to get rid of him by the time he's 21 if he's sentenced under the youth system so you only have at this point of five five years four and a half years to deal with him and then you have to let him go so it's can we fix him shiny new and enough to be circulated in society in four and a half years this is butter buttersworth a girl's head you can't that's what

i mean i don't know how you you fucking can do this i don't know what the possibility is but whatever so holy shit so um they said that uh in in this the prosecutors decide they're going to try it try to try him as an adult anyway take it to court and see how it goes they say that they charged him with suffering physical causing physical or psychological harm or serious economic harm as a result of the uh of the act they said jolin was beaten to death and stabbed to death. Her car was stolen. She suffered severe economic and physical harm. There you go.

They said that the child's relationship with the victim. Are you talking about both of them? They're facilitated. The act charged. They said the juvenile is emotionally and psychologically capable of going to the adult system is what a doctor says. They said he's intelligent and has a correct understanding of the adult criminal process. The psychologist went on to say he's, quote, system savvy. Yeah, he's been in the system a lot.

He's familiar. And then they also say that they don't think there's enough sufficient time to rehabilitate him within the juvenile system. They say four and four and one half years is not enough time to fix what is wrong with Dustin Lynch. That's the that's what the doctor says. The child, they say, is has a mental illness, you know, but not a not one that would deem him criminally irresponsible. But he's obviously has some sort of mental illness. Not one that would deem him criminally irresponsible, but he obviously has some sort of mental illness. He's diagnosed with conduct disorder, adolescent onset.

So there's that. I don't know what that is. Penchants for fucking hurting people? Is that what that is? Kind of. It seems very like an umbrella, kind of an umbrella term. We'll figure out what it is as it gets more pronounced as he's an adult we'll kind of get a better there's specific things under under that umbrella yeah i definitely get a better deal on it and a better shot with it they said that they

the doctor explained that its condition is technically a mental illness but it does not involve psychosis or delusional thinking so So legally, you're sane, but you're also nuts at the same time. So he said if the murder and robbery had occurred a month later, he would have been 16, and he would immediately have been transferred to the adult court based on the severity of the charges. But that way, he could be sentenced to life in prison with no possibility of parole for 30 years. That's if he's tried as an adult.

So along with seven felony charges, they file the motion to have him tried as an adult. The prosecutor said, I believe the seriousness of the crime calls out for it. He's charged with two counts of aggravated murder, one count with an aggravated robbery specification and one with a specification for premeditation. Two counts of aggravated robbery, felonious assault, theft, and murder. So a lot of stuff going on there for him. They said that they filed multiple charges to give the judge the most alternatives or the jury the most alternatives that here's the case.

So that way they won't go, it's either first degree murder or we let them walk type of thing. So that way they won't go. It's either first degree murder or we let them walk type of thing. So makes sense. So in court where they're trying to figure it out, he's portrayed by the defense as a child who felt thrown away by his mother and father. His psychologist said he's been born into a bad life and it's never really been any different. Yeah. They had a packed courtroom there they were saying that uh you know the the psychologist assessment followed two days of detailed testimony about dustin's continual

problems with drugs alcohol and sex beginning at age 12 when he started drugs alcohol and sex he got right into it like sex drugs and rock and roll took over at 12 for him like wild he's basically tommy lee but violent he's like violent tommy lee but with no musical talent if only he could bang on them drums man he would fucking he would have had a much different life and doing great oh my god maybe a giant cock too that might have helped him i'm not sure about that so certainly helps it doesn't hurt we'll put it that way. Well, not him. Not this guy. So the psychologist here, he's the director of the Cuyahoga County Juvenile Court Diagnostic Center in Cleveland. He said that it was definitely his upbringing that's to blame for his behavior.

He testified for more than two hours and described dustin as chronically angry with no trust and authority and no sympathy for anyone that's a psychopath is what he just described that is a dangerous adult when he's an adult dangerous person that is going to be way worse it's absolutely evans the psychologist said how can you feel that for somebody else when no one has that for him that's what what causes that, he's saying. He just feels like he's been thrown away by his mom and dad. The whole time his mom is sitting in the courtroom, by the way, Gerilyn Thomas. Ouch.

Back of the courtroom throughout the whole thing. She left the courtroom in tears during his testimony. I'm sure. And she refused to comment on anything. And she refused to comment on anything. So they asked this Evans, the psychologist, if he had ever had a case in which a juvenile charged with murder has had as many developmental problems as Dustin Lynch. And the guy went on to say, among the seven to eight hundred psychological evaluations of juveniles that he's done during his career, he told the judge that Lynch is, quote, up there. He's in the top five.

Oh, boy. Of fucked up kids there. He's in the top five. Oh, boy. Of fucked up kids. So that's bad. Top five. Top five of the guy who works with all the kids who are fucked up from that county. Every day there's another kid and he's top five. Top five out of 800. That's not bad.

He's a valedictorian, for Christ's sake. That's pretty good. He's the valedictorian of for Christ's sake. He's pretty good. He's the valedictorian of terrible childhood. Perfect. Good for him. So, yeah, that's awful. So they also said that he's top five most disturbed. And he said that, in his opinion, that Lynch was too serious a risk to the community and should be tried as an adult.

That's what he thought they said that uh the psychologist said that although he theoretically could be rehabilitated the judge said the state of ohio is not willing to gamble on the theoretic probably thank you sir so the closing plea from his attorney cited several passages from lynch's personal journal in his request to have the case remain in juvenile court in one of the passages he uh this is the uh can someone diagnose me so i can live another day we have the case remain in juvenile court in one of the passages he uh this is the uh can someone diagnose me so i can live another day we have the whole thing down here he's talking it's a he's writing like poems about i'm fucked up but i want to be better type of thing begging for help begging for help um the guy here the defense attorney pointed out to an earlier testimony

from two case workers and a social worker who said that when Lynch did receive meaning meaningful help in the juvenile system, he seemed to cooperate and be open to treatment. So the lawyer said if this juvenile were placed in an adult setting, it would be like throwing him to the wolves. Yeah, I would say so. So the judge here, he says that he says that Lynch's long unsuccessful history with the juvenile justice system, his poor family upbringing. He said that no juvenile sanction has deterred Lynch from progressively worse behavior.

He went from being a wayward true truant to committing misdemeanors to committing felony theft of a minivan of a family minivan. He even put in there in March 2002 to the alleged murder of a minivan of a family minivan he even put in there in march 2002 to the alleged murder of a helpless girl now the judge also directed his harshest criticism at lynch's mother who was sitting in the courtroom yeah um quote his mother is an ineffective parent that's from a judge yeah he said ineffective, end of fucking gaveled that shit. Who are you to say it? A literal judge, that's who. Who are you to judge me?

Yeah, a judge. I have this gavel. Fucking in the state transcripts, it lists her as ineffectual parent. That's not good. The male influences in the juvenile's life were his mother's many husbands and boyfriends. These men, with the exception of the current husband, were abusive and demeaning. That's from before there. So they said the factors were so overwhelming that the decision's not even a close call.

He said it's not even close. They said the evidence favoring transfer is sufficient, strong, and compelling. The evidence favoring retention is speculative, scant, and weak. Sending him to the adult system. They said, this is not a close case. Dustin Lynch is angry, asocial, brutal, and self-absorbed.

He will be a threat to the community long after his 21st birthday. Thanks, Mom. Jesus. And his mom, yeah. Thus, the court finds that the juvenile system, that the juvenile, this juvenile, is not amenable to care or rehabilitation within the juvenile system, and the safety of the community may require that the child be subject to adult sanctions. Wow. It's ordered and decreed that jurisdiction of this case be hereby transferred to the General Division of Court of Common Pleas.

So there you go. hereby transferred to the General Division of Court of Common Pleas. So there you go. They say here it is ordered and decreed also that bail in this matter is hereby set at $1 million. Holy. Yeah, absolutely. They said the boy shall be confined in a manner that keeps him beyond the range of touch of all adult detainees. So they're saying they're not going to put him in gen pop in the county jail. He's going to be by himself but whatever he shall be supervised at all times during the detention

is also what they decree so you're gonna hear it oh he's gonna hear a lot so uh dustin's mom said that uh she thinks he made everything up in his journal she doesn't think any of it's true so it's all bullshit he's none of this is is very true she said her son is very intelligent artistic and he's a creative storyteller what yeah he's very creative the most creative thing was hey what can i fucking beat a girl's brains in with how about a bedpost that's pretty creative right that's creative and deep yeah it's not good but it's creative you have to give what the fuck are you talking about the violent passages in the journal she said were just silly juvenile braggadocio you know like those nice clown boys that make those record albums out there just juvenile she also said that

that dustin had a definite purpose in his mind when one of the journals was found by corrections officers after his first suicide attempt. He said, quote, she said, I think the first journal was found because he intended someone to find it. I think he desperately wanted help. Whether or not he wants it, he's not utilizing it. That's the problem. She said that the first time she learned about the head gash

writing crazy shit in the floor with his own blood stuff was in court. She said, I never even knew about that. She said that she learned about it in court. She said, I felt like a bomb went off inside me in the courtroom. Now they're pointing fingers at me trying to say I'm a bad mom. You know what? I'm going to go ahead. I don't know is kind of bad mom territory.

If your kid's 14 and doing this, in my opinion, you're a bad mom, his dad's a bad dad, and anyone else that's ever had contact with him is probably not good at being around children as well. And if you don't know it, you're also continuing to be a bad mom. You did this and you don't know what he's doing? Now they're pointing fingers at me trying to say I'm a bad mom. Your kid was drinking and you don't know what he's doing now they're pointing fingers at me trying to say i'm a bad mom your kid was drinking and doing drugs and fucking at 12 that's lack of supervision at that point that's what that is uh but how am i supposed to address and the father's

not even there so let's not let him off the hook either both of you suck right both anybody who had any fucking biological part in this kid is a fucking asshole. Yeah. So, but how am I supposed to address the issues when they're withholding this stuff from me? It's too late at that point, stupid. That's the point. You should have noticed shit fucking five years ago. It's not her job to fix it now. No. The people that are fixing it are in charge and they're doing it.

Now it's out of your hands because you fucking didn't you let it get to this point yeah so uh the uh the point of uh she the mother disputed the testimony of the court-appointed psychologist also um she said that they uh that they said he had battled chronic course of depression since an early age and felt thrown away. And she said, that's ridiculous. That's absolutely ridiculous. She said her son has a loving relationship with her and he has bonded with her new husband.

And as proof, she produced a letter that her son sent to her from the county jail. And he addressed it, Mom and Dad. Well, yeah, that's the guy that's his dad. And drew hearts around the words. And he also wrote his name on the return address as Justin Lynch Thomas, which is that guy's last name. So that's now.

So he's good now is what you're saying. He's also pandering to mom for her affection and attention. So he also bashed a girl skull and stabbed her twice. So we're beyond the point of giving a fuck who you want your daddy to be. I don't care anymore. The hearts are fucking creepy at this point i wouldn't call that loving that's fucking weird that's disturbing so um his mother here defended her saying that the juvenile justice system should have listened when he asked for help but no one did she said even now she says of her visits at county jail he's saying he's having a hard time concentrating.

He sees fireflies. He hears people talking and there's nobody there. Okay, well, that's another mental problem. Now you're in another separate mental issue that you need to deal with. Now you're seeing things and fucking hearing things. Now you're having auditory hallucinations. That's a problem. He has trouble sleeping, all kinds of stuff, and nobody nobody will address that he's sitting there doing absolutely nothing you just described jail that sentence he

has trouble sleeping it's loud in jail he allegedly murdered somebody he needs to sit with his thoughts until we can sort this out okay we're gonna have to go through everything we're gonna have to give him a little time out on the side here and it's gonna take a minute because these are complicated cases ma no shit she said he's not allowed to get counseling he wants to go to church but he's not allowed to and that's wrong people are totally forgetting he's a 16 year old boy that he needs and that he needs counseling okay nobody's forgetting that no one's forgetting it i'll remember it very well word it's it's all over the place it's written on the wall in his own blood we get it and probably fecal matter by now yeah so enter dustin's guy who wants to be dustin's lawyer here um he there's a and the family wants him for a minute we'll talk about it this is a guy named jack thompson yeah um now he has a whole different take on this case. OK, he knows why Dustin murdered. He knows Joe Lynn. He understands it. And it has nothing to do with his terrible upbringing. It's nothing to do with his mom and abusive husbands and being left out to go nowhere and the system not helping him. All of that's all fine. And I'm sure that's's in the stew but the main meat of the stew is grand

theft auto 3 oh really that's what did it that's what did this that's the sole reason why he did it he was he was on video games he was a lovely loving wonderful child and student of life until he sat down with grand theft auto 3 and it turned him into a raving psychotic monster. That's literally what he says. God damn it, Rockstar Games. Wow. Thank fuck he didn't get to Vice City. He would have killed 50 people.

He would have been Ted Bundy if he got to San Andreas. Forget about it. Holy shit. This guy. Anyway, let's get into Jack Lynch or Jack Thompson because I got to be careful what I say because he is an attorney sort of at this point. But I can say I think he's a gigantic gaping asshole because that's just my opinion. I mean, obviously, he's not a real gaping asshole.

But so if he was, it would have lots of hair around it and shit stuck in it. Dingleberries. Yeah. A foot. Every tons of it. Tons of it. Tons of them. Yeah. He is a dingleberry of a human.

The giant, gaping, unwiped asshole. Yes. In our humble comedic opinions, satirical comedic opinions. So, I mean, if you add all that together, you can fuck yourself, Jack. How could he take that approach? Oh, don't worry. He's done more than that. This is like his 10th fight of battle he's fought we'll talk about all the a few of them here one of them you'll be very familiar with so uh he advised the mishney family on first of all yeah this is

fucking crazy he had advised the mishneys so the you know victims family yeah and also wanted to represent lynch why is he so involved in this because this is conflict this is how he grandstands by fucking going video games are bad so he's like i'm gonna you can't advise one family and then represent the defense you can't do that that's not that's not doesn't work so it's not our fault you're bad at video games jack yeah and this is according to the county prosecutor dean holman he said that uh he said that he quote may be faced with deeply conflicting inference uh interests if he were to represent dustin lynch lynch recently entered a written appeal of not guilty by reason of insanity through his second court appointed lawyer now he's insane by the way that's his new thing and that goes right in hand with gta so they found him competent

to assist in his own defense though and the judge said dustin lynch is going to want to say something and i'm going to want to listen to him now the competency hearing was held up for weeks while they awaited a psychological evaluation and at a psycho diagnostic center oh those are so fun if you said if you're sent to the psychodiagnostic center, that's just not great for your ego to hear those words together. What kind of a psychopath am I? Diagnose me.

That just sounds terrible. I'm a psycho. I guess I'm getting diagnosed now. It's just a bad sign to see when you walk into a building, even though it has many meanings, obviously. Still, so after that, the judge said he's going uh rule on the motion for the

lawyer and all this shit so uh thompson is a lawyer from coral gables and uh lynch and his yeah exactly lynch and he has nothing to do with this except for that he thinks gta and both dustin and his mother want this guy he has made a name for himself as on a crusade against video games and first it was video game there now it's video games but it wasn't always video games they said that

he said that he has taken this position because he doesn't want other parents to experience what he and Jolin Mishney's mother will be enduring for the rest of our lives. So his other projects were, first of all, the Ice-T Cop Killer thing, his song. Oh, stop it. He was involved in that.

He was one of the guys who brought Two Live Crew to national prominence. Because they wanted the labels on their music? He wanted them fucking thrown in jail and stripped of their everything. But what he did was make them famous. That's all that did. So he came to national prominence. This is how he got famous too, Thompson, over two live crews,

Nasty As They Want To Be album. And yeah, on January 1st, 1990, he wrote to federal investigators and to investigate whether the album violated Florida's obscenity laws. And the state prosecutor declined to proceed with an investigation. So then he pushed local officials in various parts of the state to block sales of the album, along with NWA's Straight Outta Compton. Wow. Did he get a kickback for making those so famous? No shit. way straight out of compton wow did he get a kickback for making those so famous no shit it's

that thing that easy he said in the movie the fucking where they're crushing all the tapes and cds and he go they fucking paid for them do whatever they want with them i don't care i don't give a shit yeah that's what i say people get mad at us or something on the show i'm like you listen motherfucker that's a i'll lick the finger that's a that's a fucking listen so i don't really give a shit you can say what you want about it once you listen to it so in sending documents to his opponents thompson would often frequent would frequently attach a photocopy of his driver's license with a photo of batman pasted over his photo oh so like i'm batman yeah he thinks he's a hero. Like, I'm Batman. Yeah. He thinks he's cool. He said, I've sent my opponents pictures of Batman to remind them I'm playing the role of Batman. To remind them?

To remind them that I'm playing the role of Batman. What are you, fucking 12? What's going on here? I'm cosplaying in court. It's fun. Just like he says, he goes on to say more embarrassing shit here in this quote so to remind them i'm playing the role of batman period just like bruce wayne helped the police in the movie i have had to assist the sheriff of broward county oh boy he also wears

a batman wristwatch you stop it he thinks he's fucking batman he's 11 years old his office has tons of batman shit on it you know it and it's just a batmobile it's on the shelf his wife his wife's eyes are broken from rolling so hard they're just they don't work they're googly spin yeah they spin like a broken slot machine so um he's he also compared uh jesus he compared luther campbell the fucking lead guy in two live crew to the joker wow who was killing people in the movie the batman movie he said quote i understand as well as anybody that the first amendment is a cornerstone of free speech but there's a responsibility to people who can be harmed by words and thoughts one of which is the message from campbell that women can be sexually abused we shouldn't have sexually abused

women but if you want to say crazy shit in a song that's art if you want to draw a crazy picture it's the same shit when people go crazy when someone don't cover up a picture that's art well so is a fucking song whether you like it or not no one has to listen to it michelangelo put a cock on a statue cocks on everything there's cocks everywhere yeah you're a fucking song. Whether you like it or not, no one has to listen to it. Michelangelo put a cock on a statue. Cocks on everything. There was cocks everywhere. At your fucking hotel in Louisville that one time, cocks were everywhere.

Baby penises. Giant baby dicks. Giant golden baby penises were right by your fucking head when you're standing somewhere. What the hell are you talking about? So in 2004, he helped get Howard Stern's show taken off a radio station in Orlando, Florida. You pig.

I'm sure Howard has discussed him and you've probably heard it before because that's what you used to listen to him all the time. By filing a complaint with the FCC, he objected to Stern's use of perceived obscenities on the air. Perceived obscenities? What the fuck oh it i i remember this it was when he would say things like uh duty or he wouldn't say the word he would make a new word for it and then okay well that's not illegal it's not illegal it's not obscene it's not right there's words that you're not allowed to say yeah and we know what those are george carlin told us very well and the rest of the shit until it's whatever

yeah till you make a rule about it i'm saying it so he was making up words so he got upset jesus remember the chapelle show back in the way back in the day he came on he goes watch this shit they don't know what words mean yet some words he goes watch this skeet skeet skeet they don't know shit he goes they don't know what that means he's like i could say that they won't beep it because they don't know that's what howard was doing that's what he's doing so that was in 2003 or some shit with chappelle same time period he said that uh the use of perceived obscenities on the air he argued that quote either broadcasters will accept the light harness of decency that has been the law for decades and start cleaning up their acts

or the public's deepening outrage will foster a more fearsome government response public shut the you that's nobody cares sir nobody gives a shit it's not fucking don't listen so yeah they're not they're not fomenting like a nazi revolution or something they're talking bullshit it's just dirty jokes talking about current events and then giving opinions with other words that because you sir have taken the word fuck off the radio jesus christ he claimed to have received death threats from listeners of certain stern show that doesn't surprise me um he said quote noting that quote you'd expect that considering of the ice considering the iq of people who listen to howard stern dear apparently

they fail to realize that i might have caller id or they didn't give a shit probably is that's what it is sir we don't care you've pissed them off to the point where they were mad at you we'll say it to your face that's what it is somebody said this gets me through half my fucking work day. Right. Working, putting fucking drywall up, and you've taken it from me in the hot Orlando sun. Right. I'm working in Orlando doing roofing. This is all I have, and you took it.

Who cares if a woman's sitting on a vibrator in the studio? Who cares? Yeah. I mean, yes, I would like people to be treated well, but if this woman wants to sit on a vibrator in the studio who cares yeah i mean yes i would like people to be treated well but if this woman wants to sit on a vibrator in the studio she came in to sit on it no and made noise for us and it was funny fuck you no matter what it's not jack it's not this fucking thompson's business shut up and go away don't like it it's not hurting me personally but it hurts someone and i'm gonna put an end to it like i'm so mad everybody's being

forced to listen to howard so he completely pushes this grand theft auto 3 defense and gets the mishnies i mean he like gets them raving about it to where that's what they that they're locked in on it for a while they really are um mish, said, quote, I was as ignorant as other parents. A video game to me was Pac-Man. Yeah, and he was bad at it. Yeah, so then they go on in this article. I'll just read this. Quote, Grand Theft Auto 3 is a far cry from that. The adult-rated Grand Theft Auto 3 was the number two best video game seller of last year.

13 million units of this game and its successor, Grand Theft Auto Vice City, have been sold worldwide. Yeah, because we like it. Because it's fucking fun. Many watchdog groups find the video games repugnant because of their graphic action, beating old women, throwing bombs at police, and having sex with and then killing prostitutes. Yes, that is right. It's not just beating old women, though. There's everybody. And if one of the person is an old woman, that's whatever.

But I don't remember a lot of old women in that game i think there were just more pedestrians and you can run yeah yeah the pedestrians yeah that but they were usually not old women anyway um blood spurts from blasted heads cars clash and fiery crashes pedestrians are run over and killed amid spectacular graphics and screams thuds and screeches yeah you just described a comic book movie also and you know what i'm saying so shut the fuck up you like batman bro yeah yes thank you in batman the very beginning of the one with michael keaton they kill his parents in front of a child that's not traumatic for a kid how would you like it if your mom and dad got killed in front of you oh that's not traumatic but a kid. How would you like it if your mom and dad got killed in front of you? Oh, that's not traumatic.

But two live crew is traumatic because some girl's shaking her ass and someone sprayed a hose on it. Who cares? Every comic book hero has citizens dying. That's what justifies the hero. That's what it is. So he then says, quote, your character is a bank robber in Liberty City who escapes from police and you can do whatever you want, including everything that moves. It's that's from PC magazine. They're using that to see.

That's how they advertise. The they they made no comment. GTA three. But the Daphne White, the head of the Lion and Lamb Project in Bethesda, Maryland, is horrified that violent video games find their way into the hands of teens. In the case of GTA 3, quote, it's not even a case of good guy versus bad guy. You're working for the mob. You're a bad guy yourself.

This is past. Okay, it's 2003 now. We're into high-speed Internet times. The doors are blown open whether it's a video game or you cannot control content you have to make a person who understands that and can shield it out you can't control you can't shield anymore from them the amount of porn that's available at this that's what i mean get the violence the amount yeah you're gonna and violent porn if you want because all that shit is out there if you're that age and you had a cartoon murder who cares there's real life beating of women and sex

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Join Wondery in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts. So the father here, Mickey, he said, Mickey Mishney, he said he didn't even know that Dustin was a big fan of GTA 3. Why the fuck would a 70 year old man knows what game a 15 year old kid plays who's been in his house for two days or does 71 year old man even know what grand theft auto is yeah what now grand theft the hell are you talking about jesus christ when i was younger everybody fought hitler and they came home and some of them were fucked up and some of them weren't i don't know what the hell is going on with people some of them are messed up he says that he didn't even know about it until he got a call from Jack Thompson, the Miami attorney who specializes in video games.

He said that, you know, he saw that. Thompson said, I said, if you're going to if you're trying to make sense of what happened to your daughter, this is part of it or this may be part of it. now his evidence comes from a neighbor adam uh kisselowitz who at the time of the death was uh he was staying at the house next door where she would go over and do homework and he'd play gta3 he said he played that dustin played gta3 for three or four hours at a time in his presence yeah yeah it's engrossing yeah it's and you put it down and you can just stop it for a minute. It's, quote, he was really good at it. He really got into it. It was crazy. You've just described everyone I've ever sat and played GTA with for five minutes.

It's not a hard game. No, and you hand it to someone and you're like, oh, I can do all this stuff. And they're super into it. And yeah, it was crazy. Yeah, they made it very user-friendly and easy to do. No shit. This guy said that GTA was just a game to me at 22, obviously, but he thinks maybe it could have affected the less mature Dustin Lynch.

And also, Thompson said that, I believe it's Thompson that says it, it might be the other guy, says that Lynch's weapons of choice in the video game were baseball bats and knives similar to what happened to Joe Lynn. That's a stretch, man. That's a big stretch. But Mickey, the father, he said that he's convinced that Dustin

killed his daughter and that violent video games pushed him over the edge. He said there are kids out there who are learning how to kill from video games. What's it going to take for the world to wake up? He then said, these people are accomplices by my standards. Oh, no.

Yeah, calm down, Nick. I understand you're hurting your daughter's dad. That's horrible, and I totally get it, but chill the fuck out on that. I get it. It's a lot of grief talking, and you're looking for an answer. And you're 71, so you don't really understand. This guy was born in 1932. He doesn't understand this sort of thing and how it works. So Thompson said, we're not arguing the game was the sole cause of JoLynn's murder, but the game had something to do with it. Until you have seen these games, you can't really imagine what they're like.

That's Mishney. And then Mickey said, you get points really imagine what they're like. That's Mishney. And then Mickey said, you get points for killing. You stop a police car. You pull the police officer out. Then you beat him over the head with his own nightstick until he dies and blood spurts all over. You hear the sound of people in agony. You can shoot people. You get extra points if you beat them over the head and kill them with a baseball bat.

You can have sex with a prostitute and then you beat her over the head until she's dead. And then you take your money back so you can get extra points. Nice life training, isn't it? That was Lynch's favorite way of scoring points in the game. Okay. He then said,

we have sworn testimony about how he played the game. He was totally obsessed. He didn't need her drink. He didn't take his mind off it or focus off it. He just played the game. Then he also said that he had been taken off of paxil and he said the combination of going off paxil and being influenced by this video game made him a killer anyone who got in his way it could have been anyone it ended up being joe lynn i said anyone would be looking for answers yeah at this point and i feel for the

guy but i think he's he's he's grasping your brain tries to make things make sense and this is the he's filled in these little grooves in the in the track with this stuff and it's like okay that makes the wheels stick to the track and everything's fine okay makes works for me and i totally understand the grief the guy's suffering is obviously unimaginably horrible so it's so heavy especially in your own house with a person that you let in and you weren't there to stop it as a father you'd feel like a horrible person for sure i would anyway so the not that he is a horrible person just that's how you'd feel the case uh brought together uh mishney and thompson here and they they are all he's trying to get to uh permission to defend dustin lynch that's what it is here he said it's a platform for him to draw attention to the possible connection between

video games and violence so they that's amazing though he's crusading with the victim's father while trying to represent the defendant right is he like what the fuck has he been hitting the head or something what is happening here so all it's going to do is cloud this whole thing too it's not helping no it's it's ridiculous uh mishney said there are parents out there who don't realize their kids have these violent video games or understand the seriousness of them there are kids out there who don't realize that they're in training to become killers what the hell is it going to take for this country to wake up and outlaw these games? They are outlawed in Australia, Germany, Brazil, and four other countries.

This is absolutely a killing epidemic, and it's going to get worse. That's what he said. Now, that's Mishny. Thompson says that more and more violence will be traced back to video games. Then he says the most amazing line I've ever fucking heard, and he

proves everybody else's point quote i've gotten to the point now that i'm stunned how few of these incidents there are rather than how many of them it's almost like there's no correlation between the two yeah i'm really upset about it yeah it's almost like that doesn't cause that it's weird right right 1992 mortal combat was ah it's such a big deal they made a fucking movie about it i've never seen vice city the movie you know what i mean thompson was interest was in that too he was involved with that with the mortal combat shit too yeah this has been his life since two life crew so since like 89 this is all he's fucking done he's so mad that we don't want to be fucking uh leave it to beaver this is ridiculous like to say this causes this it's an epidemic then to say i'm stunned how few of these incidents there are

you just proved it yeah there's no epidemic i'm stunned the data doesn't back up my hypothesis but i guess i'm still right that's what he just said i'm gonna run with it yeah i did the experiment didn't bear out what i thought but i'm gonna run with it yeah i did the experiment didn't bear out what i thought but i'm gonna go with the experiments wrong not me like you're that's that's think about that yeah you're where what the fucking mental like state of someone is that says that which guy is mentally mentally disturbed here is it dustin or is it this fucking lawyer i think it's this guy who in my opinion gets a fucking raging heart on every time some teenage kid gets killed and played a video game because

then he can go stand up there in fucking ohio 10 states from him to say i should be representing everybody the victims the defendant because violent video games sorry motherfucker this isn't your grandstand this is about a dead teenage girl not you you fucking asshole go back to florida you shitbag don't worry i have more on him later so he said these games are m-rated which means by definition they're harmful or a parent should consider them inappropriate for anyone under 17 why have they been labeled inappropriate because they're harmful the tendency is to bring what you learn in the games into the three-dimensional world. You develop skills and techniques and scenarios on how to kill,

and there's that blurring of reality and fantasy because of how the games affect the brains of young people. In the game, all the people you have killed come right back. You turn it off and restart it, everybody's alive again. And if the killer gets killed, it stops the game. So you stop and restart and everybody's alive again. You and I, we understand. But these kids can't draw the line between reality and fantasy. It's blurry to them. You and I know that if we get shot in the head, we're not coming back.

Jolin isn't coming back. But these kids don't know it because they've been brainwashed. We're losing young people for the sake of an $ million a billion dollar a year industry it's all about money the people in the industry don't care about one kid in wellsboro or one kid in medina they sold 20 million of these grand theft auto games and they want to sell more and somebody's got to take a stand to stop them it's gonna be me because i'm batman because i am batman he's fucking batman so he's a complete douchebag and my humble humble comedic opinion here um after he i'm surprised that it hasn't actually you know gone the way I thought it would. Surprised that more people don't do this.

By the way, everybody does this. That's what he did. I'm going to contradict what I said here. So it's ridiculous. Again, Rockstar Games, they've said they're not even commenting on it. So during his hearing, the judge barely mentions Grand Theft Auto because in reality that's a stupid thing to say. So they barely mention it. So Mickey,

the father, said he's deeply disappointed by the judge not talking about Grand Theft Auto and making that the whole crux of the case. He said he was not only upset with the judge, but he was also upset with the Lynch's court-appointed lawyer because he didn't bring it up either. You're the father of the victim.

You don't get to tell the defense how they're going to run their case. That's the other thing. I don't tell anybody how to run the case. Yeah, I understand you want to. But this isn't now it's a legal matter. He said, quote, it's as if they were overlooking a murder weapon. What? Murder weapon.

Grand Theft Auto three. what murder weapon grand theft auto 3 now um eventually lynch is at or thompson's out of here because lynch himself dustin eventually rejects his offer and withdraws his insanity plea as well he's tired of the bullshit even he's tired of the bullshit of this guy that's crazy so lynch's mother geraldine thomas who previously demanded that the judge appoint Thompson to defend her son, said she changed her mind after visiting with her son in jail. Then she came out of jail. Remember her whole thing, these video games? It's the worst thing. She came out and said, quote, it has nothing to do with video games or Paxil, and my son's no murderer.

That's her new comment. Oh, my. He didn't even do it. It had nothing to do with nothing. Oh, boy. Yeah didn't even do it. It had nothing to do with nothing. Oh, boy. Yeah. It's ridiculous. By the way, Thompson's eventually disbarred in Florida.

Of course he is. Yeah. We'll talk about what happened there. But in 2003, as Dustin's murder trial approached, Lynch began, Dustin Lynch began sending taunting, bloodstained letters to prosecutors witnesses victims oh yeah he sent one to merle mission he sent one to mickey the victim's father he is the joker yeah that's what he thinks he is blaming uh mickey for his daughter's death by letting him stay there oh my god he's he knows that's gonna put don't do that put salt on his, and that's what he's going to do. So, yeah, a judge overseeing the case here ordered that his blood be tested after police said he sent a series of bloodstain letters to these people involved in the case.

They're going to test his blood to make sure it matches up. Mishney said Monday that the four-page letter he received should not be taken seriously despite its many threats and graphic descriptions of the killing he sent why not victim's father he said don't even take it seriously nothing will happen um wow he said in the letter he sent to me that the obviously there's a big confession in there he's describing graphically how he did this uh the letter was handwritten on lined paper and it was signed by lynch and had a fingerprint of blood yeah so you know it's him um yeah the judge also ordered that they test his blood for hepatitis hiv and other sexually transmitted diseases just in case since he's sending it to people let's not have him send biohazard through the prison mail please yeah that could be uh attempted

murder too right something it's at least being a fucking scumbag, even worse than before. So here's his story. When asked why he killed JoLynn, what do you think? Not a video game or my life. He says, quote, I killed JoLynn for my own personal satisfaction. Of killing somebody? Quote, I yearn to see blood blood it's a need or addiction and it's also a fetish i'm just obsessed with it all okay let's lock him up forever he's a sick yeah he's

a sick motherfucker who's gonna go out and ted bundy the shit out of people when he's done this is what he is future ted bundy is what he what he is right here not sophisticated enough to put the murder with sexuality yet when he was killing but that's that's what it is in five years yeah he would have he would have taken her somewhere and you know done awful things to her then killed her probably the way he is so wow um he thought he could possibly even though it could definitely he said he could possibly benefit from claiming that he was a victim of the video game he said that's not what it is he goes i know that i should say that but it's bullshit he says quote old man mishny that's just i love anyone being old man somebody which he is in his 70s so that's fair old man mishny and whomever else believes that gta3 influenced me to brutally kill joe lynn they are all idiots exclamation point uh-huh uh he said quote i killed

joe lynn for my own personal satisfaction not because of a video game and then he said quote he did her a favor by doing it oh boy he said i did her a favor and satisfied all my needs at the same time while doing it y Yuck. Everybody wins. Wow. He says that he began thinking about murder at an early age. Quote, ever since I was six years old, I've wanted to kill someone. He'll go on later on, by the way, to claim that he's killed 35 people. But there's no I think that's just for prison. There's no there's no evidence of any of that shit.

He's too young to be doing that. Then he said, quote, the only people I care about is Adolf Hitler and myself. Oh, boy. Heil the Fuhrer. Hitler is God. Oh, boy. Please, nobody isolate that. That's from a young murderer.

Heil Hitler. Heil the Fuhrer. Hitler is God. Yeah. Okay. That's how is god yeah okay that's how he signed it that's how he signed his letter the only people i know i care about is hitler and myself oh boy i'll how the fuhrer hitler is god that's comically asinine that's like that's springtime for hitler level silly like it's just ridiculous that's fucking wow what an asshole so he says also he's not afraid of prison he does hope that he's gonna he wants to get his ged while he's in there so he can write a book that's his main goal because we all need to hear what's in this asshole's mind

please tell me yeah he says though i'm not afraid of shit he says quote i might be small but i know how to handle my business i'm a lynch it runs through our blood just like jail and that's all this is this is bad this he's a boone county resident but he's one of the whites is what he is like yeah this is what we do yeah he says that he'd like to be eventually he'd like to be executed that's his goal is for the state to execute him now you're working on it yeah he said when my book is complete and i'm ready i'm going to kill someone else so that i can get the death penalty i took so many lives and i'm just curious to know what it's like to be dead is there an afterlife etc all that i want to die by lethal injection i think that's better than any other method example killing myself or some other horrible death.

End quote. He really thinks about his mother, says that the past two months in jail. Well, all this is going on. He's attempted suicide at the jail, refused to cooperate with his attorney and wrote incriminating letters to Mickey Mishney. Also, and he's also stopped communicating with his mother so um then uh asked if he was disturbed he wrote to a publication quote i am not disturbed at all all capital letters which is the most disturbing way you can say anything i am not disturbed at all is like whoa that guy's super disturbed that's what somebody disturbed would say oh man i said i have certain needs desires and a fetish cutting myself is a fetish i feel so powerful when i do it kind of like i'm on coke yeah how dare you kink shame me wow no

shit jesus christ cutting myself is a fetish that's fine i feel but you can cut yourself as a fetish i guess i feel so powerful when i do it kind of like i'm on coke that's an adrenaline rush of pain of your covering the pain in your body that your body's response um each slice i take is like hooting another line exclamation point hooting i'm fascinated by the sight of blood and when i'm locked up the way i am only blood the only blood i can get is my own oh jesus uh december 2003 he changes his plea to guilty yeah says fuck it uh for the murder no no i mean why does he do that because he does doesn't want he doesn't give a fuck anymore he said they he offered no explanation why he did this. When the judge asked him whether he had anything to say before sentencing, he said, quote, nope.

No. No. Lynch's attorney said he was opposed to the plea. He said that Lynch insisted he wanted to plead guilty to a single count of aggravated murder, which carries life in prison with no chance of parole for 20 years in exchange for other charges being dropped. That's what he wanted. So the judge says, you, sir, may fuck off, enjoy life without parole for at least 20 years. Wow.

Have fun. So that's what he gets. Well, the judge rejected that, though, rejected his other shit. And so, no, he kept his guilty. He gave him that. Citing Lynch's violent history, diagnosis of antisocial personality and his behavioral record in prison. And in addition to the maximum prison sentence, also ordered Lynch to pay the maximum fine of twenty five thousand dollars.

Something he said Lynch may be able to one day do if he finds a way to profit from the story of his crimes, as he once said he would. So he said, quote, this is not a free license for you to go back to the prison system and act with total disregard for any of your cellmates, because if that's the case, you'll be brought back to another court and sentenced again, and eventually you'll run out of opportunities to have any interaction with anybody else in any community. There you go. Yeah, you stack those 20 years. We'll take everybody. That's it. And eventually you'll run out of opportunities to have any interaction with anybody else in any community. There you go. Yeah.

You stack those 20 years. That's it. So, yeah, don't go in there going, fuck it. I got life. I'm going to be crazy in jail now. So he could not have faced the death penalty because he was only 15 when the crime was committed. Okay. So that's the law there.

So before this happened, the plea, the judge was at the one the his uh the judge i can't even speak the fucking lawyer the lawyer god damn it his lawyer i wanted to say the judge and the prosecutor and it's neither of them it's his fucking defense attorney one of these twats with a law degree was prepared to be removed from the case because of Lynch's erratic behavior, which included all the crazy shit he was doing, including mailing confessions to the victim's families with bloody fingerprints on them, which is goddamn crazy. Now, JoLynn's mother, Lori, she's also here in the courtroom now. That's the ex-wife of Mickey.

She's in the courtroom sobbing loudly, and her statement had to be read by somebody else because she was sobbing. She said, I feel not one shred of compassion. I want Lynch to suffer. She's pissed, obviously. Yeah. Mickey isn't pleased with this as well. He directed his anger at the court system and the prosecutor's office which he which he called a joke he complained that because of prosecutor dean holman's eagerness to cut a deal and avoid a

trial he'll never know what motivated lynch to kill his daughter he wouldn't have known that from a trial either he doesn't have to testify yeah he's not gonna tell you yeah he's not gonna i get that's what you want and we would all want that, but that doesn't mean you're going to get it. It sucks. June 2004, okay? He's in jail now for at least 20 years, Dustin. Mickey here, he has allowed his ex-wife, Lori, and her current, I guess, soon-to-be husband, Dan Gordon Johnson, to live with him. They are, I guess they moved, they lived in Florida and they were moving back from Ohio to deal with the case.

And then there's also the Mishnys are contemplating a lawsuit against the violent video game manufacturers as well. So they're all going to hole up here. I guess the Mishnys have, I guess they're legally married. So but they've been separated for years. That's how this goes. So anyway, this is fucking crazy. Johnson, her boyfriend, Laurie's boyfriend, has a lengthy criminal record, including a drunk driving arrest on Christmas Eve that that he's got sentenced for 60 days in jail. that he's got sentenced for 60 days in jail.

And then he's got other prior charges as well. Felony convictions. All sorts of shit. Great guy. Prison. He's been in prison before. Felony convictions. Drug trafficking in 92.

Two cases in 94 that included receiving stolen property, theft and forgery, and theft charges in 96 and 1999. He's doing great. He's doing terrific. He's a good guy. Good 1999. He's doing great. He's doing terrific. He's a good guy. Good influence. Good guy.

According to the Florida Department of Corrections, he was released from a Florida prison in June 2002 after serving nearly two years for forgery and cocaine possession. He was also convicted of grand theft auto in 1999. Convicted of a video game? Exactly. Three. convicted of grand theft auto in 1999 but released on video game exactly three and released on community supervision and did not serve any prison time for that particular offense so that's who he's invited into his home here terrific yeah they move into his place it's on poe road this is late march or early april i believe 2004 here and um the uh the i guess apparently they shared a bedroom on the

first floor of the home that's laurie and johnson that was their bedroom down there and i guess on may 29th uh johnson and laurie walked away from their jobs at a mcdonald's restaurant in medina township they came to town got a job at mcdonald's yeah they both left at 7 43 a.m and um within 17 minutes were purchasing crack cocaine at a medina apartment hell yeah they decided to quit and go smoke some crack okay fuck this place i'm smoking crack ah fuck mcdonald's now anybody working at mcdonald's that'll make you want to smoke crack probably, I would assume. I'm sure it will, yeah. This is fucking crazy.

Now, before, when this started, I'm wondering, I'm like, why is a 17-year-old girl living with her 73-year-old father? What the fuck is going on? There you go. This is what's going on. Because moms in Florida smoking crack, that's why. That's why. With a scumbag. So, Jesus fucking Christ.

So, they do all of that. They purchase some crack at a medina apartment shortly after the crack purchase you know after you smoke crack you want to stretch your legs out it's like eating a big meal sometimes it gives you you know this uh i gotta be out with the people feeling yeah it's a yes like i said it's you get out there you want your legs to be moving your mouth to be talking yeah all this sort of thing. So after that, they walk around for a while and end up at a Medina gun shop where they sell a Mossberg 20-gauge pump-action shotgun belonging to Merle, Mickey, that they stole from him, for $125, which will buy you a bunch of crack. Yeah, it will. you a bunch of crack yeah well so uh by the now meanwhile while this is all going on mickey mishney jolin's father has been running errands most of the day and doesn't get home till after

six o'clock there's no idea his 20 gauge pump is gone that his 20 gauge pump is gone and that his housemates are on a day-long crack binge no clue yeah so um that evening i, he came home, Mickey, and at some point during the evening, Johnson came up behind him and beat him over the head and chest with a jack handle. Oh, man. He put in a jack for it. Yeah. Beat him to death with it over there. What? Head and chest, beat Mickey to death with it.

Oh, no. Yeah. Then they hid the car inside of a lotus sports car parked in the barn behind the house so they do this they drag him out to the barn and out behind the barn he's got a lotus sports car that we talked about which is a very expensive very nice sports car nice sports car and they stuff mishny into the car oh no so yeah that's where they put a cabin or like in the trunk i don't i don't know somewhere those things have a trunk some of them don't right yeah probably a very small one i'd imagine you'd probably be better off putting them in the

driver's seat they beat him to death with a with a jack handle jack handle stuck him in the car yeah i don't know if they taped his hands to the steering wheel so he was driving right it would be you know i don't know so yeah he's going fast yeah just make it look really good awful then they then they fire gunshots through the windshield so he bounces all around it looks like there's an action movie yeah yeah like gta exactly there you go so uh that's what i'm getting at so all this happens um they do that then they flee the home the next day in one of his cars, of course. And they also take his wallet and 30 of his guns as well. Wow. He has a lot of guns.

What does he play, Grand Theft Auto? I think he's like a guy. He must have played Grand Theft Auto his whole life, really. Yeah. And this guy, this Johnson guy, the mother's boyfriend, he must have got a hold of the neighbor's Grand Theft Auto also. Big fan. That's pretty crazy oh and those guys in west virginia who ate groundhog for breakfast it wasn't that they were eating groundhog for breakfast and drinking vodka and grape drank it fucking you know 10 in the morning it was they must have got a hold of grand theft auto yeah

jeans and a flower shirt running running amok that gary ridgeway if only grand theft auto would have been out of his possession my god my god so many lives could have been saved so they're they end up being arrested in cleveland on murder warrants they found his body mickey because his brother hadn't seen him for a while so he called the police to do a welfare check on him and they said there was obvious signs of violence on the body they were seeking dan gordon johnson and and mishny's wife here laurie and uh they were thought to be driving a 1999 black chevy cavalier with the license reading one joe lynn get out of here two people have stolen for a 99 fucking Cavalier. This must be the greatest car ever. Two murderers have driven that vehicle.

Have killed a member of the family, driven that vehicle off. Catch him, bring the car back, kill him, somebody takes the vehicle. Almost like GTA. It's crazy. It's almost like Grand Theft Auto. Everybody in this car keeps getting murdered and it gets hijacked that's funny that a 37 year old man who never played video games did the exact same thing as a 15 year old obsessed with grand theft auto it's gotta be exact exact same crime isn't that weird

weird a fucking blunt trauma head force in a stolen car same car strange oh and in grand theft auto you can't stuff anyone into their own car. That's true. That's the other thing you can't do. You can't put them in anything else. I can't believe they stole the same car. So again, not a hard car to find, obviously. They said, this is now Howard Mishney, who is Mickey's brother.

He said the family was just grieving the loss of JoLynn, and now they have this to deal with. Horrible. This is horrible. They said the family is in shock. We all are. Mickey is perhaps, and then Thompson, the lawyer who we hate, said Mickey was perhaps the most selfless person I've ever met. He was giving to a fault, obviously.

Oh, God. In other words, he let these people in who did this to him. He's too nice for his own good. Yeah. In other words, he let these people in who did this to him. He's too nice for his own good. So they were arrested in Cleveland nearly a full day after they started searching for them. What's a pole barn, by the way?

We've gone over this before and I can't remember. What the hell is a pole barn? I don't know. It sounds like where you do stripper practice or something. It's a pole barn, everybody. Be there at 7. I've never heard of it. Do a whole class. That's or something. It's a pole barn, everybody. Be there at 7. I've never heard of it. Do a whole class. That's what he's found in his pole barn.

I assume it's just a barn with poles in it. Someone will send us a picture. It'll be very simple. It might be a barn made of poles. That's possible also. Yeah. So, yeah, they're arrested there. They came after police received reports that they were spotted in the Cleveland area driving the car with the fucking personalized license plate on it.

That's pretty dumb. I love this, by the way. This is a description of the area, of the whole Montville township. There are large homes with spacious yards along the road. There are farmhouses and barns with occasional horse and cow for show. Fox Meadows, a massive community complete with a golf course, is along the stretch, which is lined with huge trees

and colorful flowers. It's where people move to get away from the congested traffic and noisy neighbors, said one Poe resident who works in Akron. When I tell people at work where I live, they don't even know where it is. It's just so quiet here.

It really is. You come out here for that reason. But now it's just really strange. You wonder what's going on out here for that reason. But now it's just really strange. You wonder what's going on out here. Do you? Because now two people have been murdered for this car. Let's crush this car into fucking, into a coin. Is it the car, you think?

It's the Cavalier? It's the car. It's like Christine now. Never mind this. Has anyone seen any Stephen King movies? Right. Fuck Grand Theft Auto. Who's been reading

stephen king because this car is probably a problem right it's telling people kill someone and then take me and go and it wants to be out of this house this car blame the car it's a very cavalier about murder around here very cavalier about murder uh they said that another resident said that the whole thing is just bizarre i don't understand that whole situation why he allowed that after everything that happened before with joe lynn after the first murder that was the first one around here i was afraid not to lock my doors now so unless you're in this no one's breaking into shit this is very personal um it's fine so they go to court and when they go to court um this is fucking crazy okay the first it's johnson the boyfriend who did the killing he goes to court

and doesn't say a word during his arraignment obviously you know just does his thing comes out when being led away from the court you know when the press yells shit at the guys and they just keep their head down yeah they just keep their head down don't say anything they say quote did you do this he looked right at the reporter and said yes i did uh-oh yep sure did he said quote yes i did looking into television cameras that's amazing smart everyone went oh they started furiously writing that no one has ever said that in the history of court reporting. That's the thing. You always say it, then you go, when asked about it, they had no comment.

So you can say you asked. But it's fucking bonkers. Him and Richard Ramirez, only ones ballsy enough to scream wild shit to the reporters. Sure I did, yeah. Dean Holman, who's the prosecutor, said he saw the statement and said it was stunning and said he intended to seek copies of the television tapes, obviously. He said, quote, this has never happened in my personal experience. No one's ever done that.

It's the dumbest thing ever. He said, we still have to prove it, though. But still, this is a good start. He just told everyone he did it. That's a good start. I mean, that's helpful. That's very helpful. He also ordered Lori to be held in jail on a $2 million bond as well.

So everybody's being held over here. Lori, who is represented by public assistance here, whatever, public defender, told the court she's not guilty and she's going to go to a grand jury. public defender, told the court she's not guilty and she's going to go to a grand jury. Now, they both face three counts of aggravated murder, two counts of murder, one count of obstructing justice, and one count of tampering with evidence in conjunction with the murder. So it's a lot of shit. The aggravated murder charge include a specification that could result in the death penalty because they stole all the shit for crack money. So that's kind of the standard of what you get. Gun guns and money his wallet and his guns which is both terrible easily

easily transferable shit that is uh prosecutors said that some hair was recovered at the crime scene and uh they believe that it was laurie's and they said we're going to find out if it's her hair obviously that'll help but she was initially unwilling to provide a sample which got prosecutors to have to go through the whole court order process which took longer um so anyway he decides that uh he's gonna plea johnson boyfriend because he's already admitted it he says he's gonna plea and um yeah he says that this is the way he's gonna do it he wants to plea he had already told the group of reporters and he said what am i hiding anymore that's literally what he was saying he uh they he's sentenced to you sir may fuck off uh life

in prison with no parole oh boy none without so he's away forever now since this case uh involved multiple counts of aggravated murder and the change of plea from not guilty to guilty had to be uh that had to be presided over by a three panel judge a three judge panel that gave a three panel judge he had three panels in front of him he was very active busy man he's trying three cases at the same time what do you got how about you hold on your time's up next how about you what do you got how about you hold on your time's up next how about you what do you got wait are you the drunk driver or the murderer it's like a game show life in prison one weekend in jail but i'm just a dui fuck yeah i killed that i fucking killed her and still only got a weekend shit i messed up god damn it overworked judge that's called that's if that's my shitty snl sketch

overworked judge so um since the case had all of that like we said he gets handcuffed through the whole thing they just say yes sir to all the questions it's nothing big he would remain silent about the details of the crime though um there in a six-page document read aloud it was revealed that johnson had been living with them obviously it was about the same time that joe lynn was killed and they put that on him too like he put more strife on this family joe lynn was just killed and then he just killed him and um they had been contemplating a lawsuit with the video games and all that sort of shit so So anyway, he pleads life without. The brother, Howard, who is... Oh, poor Howard.

Poor Howard. He said he remembers the... Oh, this is Dennis, who is Howard's brother. So this is the other brother. He said he remembers the first time he met Johnson at Jolin's funeral. He said, little did I know that the time I was shaking the hand of the man who would hurt my father so yeah that's oh it's his son dennis okay it's his son from a previous marriage he said it's difficult to forgive and he praised uh someday johnson will seek forgiveness from a higher power maybe god can help him is what they said he uh also said we've been

robbed and we are crushed i'm sorry to say that the name of dan johnson will be forever cursed in our family you don't have to be sorry for that no it's fair that's fair yeah i would say that's fair everybody uh nobody blames you for it anyone kills a family member of yours you can say they're not welcome for thanksgiving i would say at that point right yeah in the house that you reside you're allowed to say that. Yeah. Yeah. They said also that his attorney said that his client had remorse for the crime from the day it happened. So, yeah, he said it's terrible. And there he's scarred by it. Look at me scarred. A jack handle. Jack handle. That's brutal. That's terrible. That's brutal. That's terrible. So the case against Lori, obviously, which is multiple aggravated murder charges and all that, the prosecutor said, we're hoping to resolve that case in a plea agreement similar to Johnson's. That would be nice.

He said, if we can work that out, that's something we'd be interested in. Sure. So she pleads guilty to, this is amazing, this is fucked up, pleads guilty to involuntary manslaughter, tampering with evidence, two counts of obstructing justice, two counts of complicity to commit aggravated robbery, as well as a gun specification that carried with it a one-year prison sentence. Where's the murder charge? It doesn't exist. It's been replaced with involuntary manslaughter. Not even voluntary.

Not even I was participating in it. I didn't even know it was happening i'm an innocent flower i didn't want any part of this wow um that is crazy they asked would you like to say anything before you're sentenced and she said quote he was a good man and i took his kindness for granted yeah you crackhead that's what you did yeah so um she said that she was a former waitress and she felt terrible about turning against the man who had shown her a different world where they would collect antique automobiles indulge themselves by buying expensive lithographs and artwork and travel more than she had ever dreamed and you beat him with an axe handle she was a jack handle god that's it. That's fucked up, man.

After your daughter was just killed, which is unreal. He said that the culpability came from the decisions made afterwards by helping her boyfriend try to hide the crime and lying to one of Mickey's friends who came to see him. Afterwards, they said that they thought the sentence was fair and prepared her for a lengthy sentence. We'll get to it here. She, quote, Lori Mishney has to make some tough decisions. I'm not going to take the same steps she did based on how I was raised, but it was a reflection of the tools she was given. For a man who gave her so much, you would think her loyalty would have been there. I don't think so. So I can't believe that. One thing, too, they said the judge says during this that her inability to take responsibility for her role in the death was unexcusable.

She said in a pre sentencing report that she didn't do anything wrong and only pleaded guilty to be spared the possibility of the death sentence. Stunning. It's actually a very self-serving reason there's no yeah there's nothing redeemable about her nope not i felt terrible right you know i lost my daughter i didn't die just for me the judge said the tragedy for this family must be horrific i think you've shown no remorse yes and the prosecutor said this was a shared venture, a joint venture. And she said, and then the judge said, quote, you, ma'am, may fuck off 15 years. Unbelievable.

So she's going to do five probably at that point. Hopefully more than that, because I would assume a parole board would see that she's getting off pretty light here. Also, the the prosecutors she told prosecutors in an interview that uh he remembers telling i'm sorry johnson told prosecutors he remembered telling laurie on the day that they killed mickey that quote this is the day mickey's going to die so this wasn't a surprise she knew it was going on from prison oh boy she files a suit to try to get half of mickey's shit what this might be married the most repulsive fucking legal action i've ever heard in my life right here this is horrible um she's seeking her share as she says of his survival as his surviving spouse now his brother

ernest is chart is challenging the claim by being you know escaping not incarcerated being scared stupid being a lot of other things here going to camp going to fucking a lot going on but uh catching a turtle on his nose in between all that he manages to file a suit here and uh he's also part of a wrongful death suit that Mishney's daughter and three sons have filed against Laurie and her boyfriend Dan Johnson the will that he signed in 1985 mind you fucking 17

years before this or 18 years valued at $409,000 to his wife specifically his antique fire truck his weapons and personal effects as well as all marital property. He specified his children each got 5% of his net estate, up to $25,000, and provided for his first wife and his brother in there as well.

Jesus Christ, nice guy. He also remembered the Cleveland Sports Car Club, the Cleveland Museum of Art, and the Crawford Auto Aviation Museum of Cleveland in his will. An attorney that represents the brother, who is administrator of the estate said that the law states that a person is not entitled to inherit anything. If she's convicted of murder of the same fucking person she's inheriting from. The law does not address an involuntary manslaughter charge, though. Wow. Only murder or voluntary.

I think involuntary is the main thing there so they said similar cases in common law should prevent her from collecting um and uh yeah she he they'd never get shit from him so that's good good now 2013 remember our buddy dustin right okay well he's in a maximum security to Toledo institution at this point, obviously a convicted murderer and about 10 years till he's ready to possibly even get probation or parole at this point. Here named Christopher Trent, who had told his mother that he had was targeted for assassination by a prison gang, spent eight days in the hospital burn unit after he was doused with scalding water and stabbed by Dustin. Yeah, by Dustin. Boiled him and then stabbed him. Yes.

Through boiling water on him and stabbed him. Why does he have access to that? Well, if you can, these guys will get, they'll get like a hot plate going in their room and they can boil up water. And that happens all the time. That's like how,

a lot of times, how like someone who isn't that strong and feels like they're going to get attacked soon, they'll boil up some water to have it ready. So when someone comes in their cell,

they're ready to fucking throw it in their face. That's like a, that's a big time prison thing. If they can get a heating element to make that happen, they'll fucking do it fucking throw in their face that's like a that's a big time prison thing if they can get a heating element to make that happen they'll fucking do it i did not know that oh that's a big weapon in prison man yeah boiling water fucking brutal so um yeah it's it's pretty crazy so he's in there he attacks him the guy survived the prison officials knew that dustin is now an avowed member of the Aryan Nation gang as well. He's super proud.

Yeah. He tells it. He was highly Hitler when he was 15, 16. Now he's now he's really into it here. He was a suspect in the assault. Yet they placed him in a cell with another inmate. Still, they didn't stay there. They thought that he boiled and stabbed a man.

And rather than separate him, they went, I mean, please. I'm sure he'll get along better with the next guy, right? Oh, my. So he is placed in an inmate with a Mexican national. He's placed in a cell with a Mexican national, which you know is going to go great. As an Aryan brotherhood. Oh, boy. It's very good. Guy's also a convicted child rapist.

Oh, perfect. He's got justification twice. Twice. Named Arturo Lopez. On March 17th, the guards found Lopez dead in his cell, strangled with a piece of rope, and with the word Chomo carved in his back. Of course. Child molester.

That's for that, if you don't know. Yeah. Lynch, who again reiterated his avowed disciple nature of hitler says he loves hitler still um they held him in isolation now so you know they're gonna check him out there sentencing comes around here uh a judge sentences him for this he goes in pleads no contest to strangling the guy he's like i fucking did it i don't care um the guy by the way lopez was 43 years old was behind bars on a rape conviction from 2005 and was scheduled for uh and was ready to be released he was going to be released within a year and uh the 20 lynch is 26

at this point this guy's getting out of prison in a year and they put him in jail they put him in a cell with that guy with that guy oh my god it's year and they put him in jail. They put him in a cell with that guy, with that guy. Oh my God. It's almost like they wanted him to. Yeah. This seems like we don't like that guy. He's a child molester. Let's put him in with this fucking guy,

which that's not, I don't like, I don't like fucking vigilante justice in general, but like defend the guy, but let's trust the system a little. That's exactly the right way to put it. So, um,

he pleads no contest like i said and um the said they said that the record showed the the violence at the prison rose after the state started doubling up inmates in the same cell to deal with overcrowding record show violence at the prison rose uh right then gee it's really weird when he's by himself he doesn't kill anybody but when i put somebody with him he stabs him in the face it's really weird when he's by himself he doesn't kill anybody but when i put somebody with him he stabs him in the face it's a strange fucking thing isn't it's weird strange that's an that's as funny of a statement as the guy who said i'm stunned there isn't as many murders due to grand theft i'm surprised there's not more well you just made our case for us dumb shit you can't so violent people with violent people jesus christ

man um the uh the changes were budgetary and that sort of measure um so the judge sentences him for this where is this here um he is uh you sir yeah may fuck off have another life sentence why not yeah there you go Life this time without parole. You bet. So if you were going to get out, I don't like that this happened, but I do like that at least the guy who had to die. So this guy never gets out of prison was a bad guy that we don't want around. Now, maybe he's killing.

Maybe Arturo Lopez, the child molester. Yeah, he's Batman. We should kill him. Maybe. Arturo Lopez, the child molester. Yeah. He's Batman. He didn't really die. He then got up and like materialized. No, he's Batman. And he- He just killed him.

He put the guy in prison forever. He did it. Yay. So either way, Dustin Lynch is in prison forever. Yeah. Johnson's in prison forever. What's her name? Lori's got to be out by now. She should in prison forever. Yeah. Johnson's in prison forever. What's her name? Lori's got to be out by now.

She should be, yeah. Unless she got in trouble in prison, even if she did every fucking minute of it, she's out by now. That's crazy, man. What on the fuck? Dustin's never getting out, obviously. Now, JoLynn, her grave here, she's buried in Cleveland. She has a nice stone here with an angel on it. It's very nice.

It's cute. What do you get for your daughter? That's sad as shit to say. Yeah. The other things I found here are the true crime auction house. You can get a Dustin Lynch signed police report. Gross. Yeah.

That has his fucking mailing address on it and um it's ridiculous it's it's the shit with jack thompson i think that communication forty dollars for that by the way then serial killers inc.net you can get a handwritten letter and envelope here um this is like it's a it's like a nice letter to somebody like a correspondent nobody bloody thumbprint um any of this shit um what i can see there do i have a tv yes like somebody would ask him questions about shit do i have this i have this many channels my favorite channel bubble interview all this shit 25 for that for that. Wow, that's too much. If you want his handwritten.

I don't want anything of this asshole's. Nothing. He's a fucking asshole. I don't like him. I don't even want the country albums of the guy that shares his name. No, no. That's the fucked up part, too, because when you look him up, it comes up Dustin Lynch wife, Dustin Lynch music.

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