Small Town Murder - #275 - The Bad News Killers - Okarche, Oklahoma

Episode Date: April 28, 2022

This week, in Okarche, Oklahoma, a pleasant & picturesque family dinner is interrupted by a lost drifter, knocking at the door. This turns into a nightmare of unspeakable proportion, with death, destruction, and things that the human mind shouldn't be able to think up. From there, it turns into a multi-state crime spree, that leaves a trial of victims & more murder, in their wake. The question is, is of the killers really "the left hand of God", "the sword of vengeance", or "The Blue Angel"? Or, is he just another run of the mill awful, greedy & heartless killer?? Along the way, we find out that Oklahoma has a strange way of "celebrating" September 11, that when you leave live witnesses, it's hard to claim you weren't there, and that simply claiming to be "the left hand of God" isnt enough to excuse you from four murders!!Hosted by James Pietragallo and Jimmie WhismanNew episodes every Thursday!Donate at: patreon.com/crimeinsports or go to paypal.com and use our email: [e-mail] to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder & Crime In Sports!Follow us on...twitter.com/@murdersmallfacebook.com/smalltownpodinstagram.com/smalltownmurderAlso, check out James & Jimmie's other show, Crime In Sports! On Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Amazon Music, Wondery, Wondery+, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts!See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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We are going to Okarchee, Oklahoma this week. Oklahoma, oh my. Like I said, always a special place in our hearts here. This is in central Oklahoma, so not in the panhandle, but still very panhandle-ish. It's right there. You can't get any more centralized in the panhandle, but still very panhandle-ish. It's right there. You can't get any more centralized in the country than this. It's about 45 minutes to Oklahoma City, about two hours over to Tulsa, and about an hour to Chickasha, Oklahoma, which was episode 214, our last Oklahoma episode. Shot, stabbed, beaten, cut, and chained is the name of that episode.

That's a lot.'s oklahoma for you there uh this is in both uh canadian or canadian or however the fuck they say it there i'm not even gonna get oh it's canadian canadian and king fisher counties it's in both of those i think it's king fischer okay i'm sure i think it's. Fischer is what it is. Kind Fischer, I believe, is how you say it. Area code four zero five in this place. History quickly here. There's not a lot of history in this particular area. Honestly, it's no it's been sparsely populated. It's the most people that have ever been there are there now. You know what I mean? Like whatever. So the post office was established in 1890 this was originally native american land

obviously and then they moved native american people to these lands and then i bought them u-hauls and such moved them off of it again and gave it to so that's this was like uh yeah this was like a multiple time thing that happened here the cheyenne and Arapaho lands were open to settlement by land run on April 19, 1982. Or 1892, not 1982. 1982. Everybody had feathered hair. They were just

running for land. Hey, this is crazy, man. They had headphones on with Van Halen playing. Might as well jump. Jump! I got some land! Woo! Da-da-da-da. Woo. Woo. Hey, Oklahoma. 1982. Okarchee.

I wish it was. i wish it was the name okarchi is uh the three words oklahoma okay arapaho ar and cheyenne stop it they just mashed them together and they're like okarchi yeah that's my name i swear to god that's why they named it this ok Oklahoma, Arafah, Hoshayan, y'all get credit. Okarchi. That is wild. I hate it. That is wild. So, wow.

In the late 1890s, German immigrants were the greater part of the population here, and German was the most spoken language in this area. Is that right german yeah many had uh come here uh tons of germans came in the 1880s and a lot of them settled in iowa nebraska missouri and then when things didn't work out there they came for free land in oklahoma and then went oh now i know why they're giving it away for free there's a reason it's free guys hold on there's a catch put your pretzel in your pocket for one second hans because there's a reason it's free, guys. Hold on. There's a catch. Put your pretzel in your pocket for one second, Hans, because there's a reason this shit's free, okay? Put your schnitzel down for 10 seconds while we discuss this.

You are going to need that stein of beer because this is shitty. This is not good. So they had a federal highway number. Federal highway numbering was implemented in 1926, and US-81 went through here. The first highway through here was a gravel-surfaced road, and it was gravel until 1947. Holy shit. Yeah. This is why in the 50s we built the highway system, because if you drove across the country,

you'd drive on half-dirt roads and shit, bad, terrible roads. Your pants fucked, your teeth are full of grit. Oh grit oh man you got to wear those goggles back then that's where they came from that's why jesus shit flying everywhere reviews the thing no nothing reviews of this town there's only two and they're both five stars so oh i mean this is easy to skew here if you just want to make the town look good. Five stars. Okarchi is a great small town. Everyone is tightly knit with no K, by the way. Just knit.

N-I-T. They're all knit. Everyone is tightly N-I-T. Isn't that like a bug? Tightly knit. They got knits. They got knits. It's a nice knit. And cares about each other and others.

They care about each other and then others who aren't right before them as well. And then the other people too. It'd be like if I cared about you, you cared about me, but we also care about people who aren't in our conversation. That's what they're saying. Thank you. And then summation with the final line, I think Okarchi is a great place to live. Thank you.

Opened it up with Okarchi is a great small town. And then I think Okarchi is a great place to live. Thank you. Opened it up with Okarchi is a great small town, and then I think Okarchi is a great place to live. Bookended, yeah. Bookended with compliments about how nice it is. That is like a third grader's book report. That's what that is. I think Curious George was a great book. I think Curious George is a great book. George is very curious, and he's funny because he's a monkey.

The man doesn't say much. I think Curious George is a great book at the end. That's it. Thank you. Thank you, little Timmy. The little man. The man in the yellow suit cares about Curious George and others. And others.

He seems to care about him and others. I like that Curious George doesn't rip his face off at any time even though he's a wild monkey that's been taken into his apartment in the city and i'm sure crazy noises and buses and sirens and shit would never freak him out i enjoy the lack of violence that should certainly be happening perpetrated by a fucking wild monkey. A wild monkey that's been brought into this. He mauled him and gave him AIDS,

and you're like, Jesus, what happened? What happened, chief? So here's five stars again, obviously. I have gone to school at Okarchi High, at Okarchi, not high, since preschool. Now I am a senior at Okarchi high school i have worked in okarchi at a dealership five stars what i don't think were they giving out like gift cards to like the ice cream shop for this between the knit thing and this i'm gonna go ahead and say i don't

trust the school system i don't think it's very good i'm just gonna say right now because these people again this person writes like a third grader that's not yeah uh free tickets to the and say I don't trust the school system. I don't think it's very good. I'm just going to say right now because these people, again, this person writes like a third grader. That's not good. Free tickets to the fair if you review the town. Oh, I'm in. Okarchi Fest, which I think is a thing that we're going to talk about here.

Oh, fantastic. People in this town, 1,334. So not that many people here. And that's the most. It's really risen since 2000 a lot for some reason. I guess because it's only 45 minutes to Oklahomalahoma city so you could probably drive there probably yeah i think maybe that's why you could commute there a few more females and males which is normal median age is 39 and a half it's a couple years a couple years higher than normal but a lot of 55

and ups here you come here to kind of die and retire and that sort of thing way more married people than normal 60 almost almost 63 percent married so that's a lot of married people here yeah it's a lot race of this town 93 and a half percent white pretty white um 0.9 percent black uh two percent native american one percent hispanic so Hispanic. So it's an interesting mix there. Not too much of a mix, if I'm being honest. Religion in this town is about 46% religious, which is just under the national average. The most here that we have is Baptist, actually. Really?

Proving Baptists are the Catholics of the Dust Bowl, obviously. That's clear. 0.0% Jewish. that's not happening here in king fisher county where most of this place is the last election 13.2 percent of the people voted democrat 85 and a half percent republican one and a half percent independent so little conservative little conservative here outside oklahoma city uh the here, it's about the national average right now, it's about 3%, and that's what it is here. The average median household income here is a little bit more. So I think you do have people working in the city and commuting a lot,

too. Household income here is almost $67,000, and it's about $54,000 in the rest of the country, thousand dollars and uh it's about 54 000 in the rest of the country so not bad and cost of living is a 90 out of 100 100s average that's a little bit lower housing median home cost here is 173 800 bucks not bad that's almost 300 grand in the rest of the country the national average so that is very low and if damn it you are excited you'reed up, you're ready to load the kids in the car like Jed Clampett and head somewhere dusty, we have for you the Okarchee, Oklahoma, real estate report. Your average two-bedroom rental here is about $799, which is way less than the national average. That's almost $1,300 a less than the national average. That's almost $1,300 a month, the national average for that. So very cheap. Here's a three-bedroom, two-bath. It's 2,364 square feet. Went dyslexic for a second there. It's being auctioned off. So that's

the starting bid we'll get to here. So all the pictures, everything inside is also set up for an estate sale as well. So it looks like it's an antique shop in there with shitty antiques. It's very strange. There's pictures and a lot of grassy areas with not a blade alive still, just brown dead grass. It hasn't been touched since the 70s. It's obvious. The sink is bright yellow. You know the 70s. It's obvious. The sink is bright yellow.

You know what I mean? 70s yellow. Someone's grandma died here. You know what I mean? That's what it looks like. Someone's grandma will haunt you if you move into this house. That harvest gold is hideous. I cannot believe that was a choice. And we'll match it with avocado green. That'll be perfect.

Like a pale avocado that's what everyone wants next one you will you will yearn for metallic pea oh shit you didn't order the uh metallic pea no antarctic blue with the optional rally fun pack okay so metallic not are the uh metallic pea so three bedroom one bath 1916 oh i didn't tell you 95 grand is where that starts on the auction it's starting bid starting but it's almost 2400 square feet but it needs a total gutting uh three bedroom one bath 1916 square feet looks like a hoarder's house almost there's all sorts of shit there's a giant bathtub that's set up for like you know it's like a handicap accessible bathtub that is yeah definitely not in the bathroom it's in another part of the house

that's i don't know where it is but it's not the bathroom there's no toilet near it so that's bad this is a random place in the house we'll put a tub there there's pill bottles all over the place as well like somebody had a lot of prescriptions i don't know what happened here but it's 230 grand for this fucking house. That's a bit steep. That tells you where the market's going now. And then this one here is three-bedroom, five-bath, 3,865 square feet. A lot of dark wood, shit like that.

It looks like they're trying to be moody in the 80s. It looks like Cameron's parents from Ferris Bueller lived there. It's one of those things. There's a tiki bar in the basement, so you know the exact generation they come from. Martini hour down in the tiki bar, that sort of shit. It's very Frankie Avalon. Absolutely. $449,000 for that.

Holy shit. It's almost 3,900 square feet. That's very affordable. For that big of a house. Unbelievable. It's not in,900 square feet. That's very affordable. For that big of a house. Unbelievable. It's not in a desirable place. It's in Okarchee, Oklahoma. So things to do here.

Okarchee Fest, everybody. It's coming. All right. It's back. Mark your calendars, it says, for the 13th annual Okarchee Fest, scheduled for Saturday, September 11th, obviously. This was last year, so it'll be September again. Yeah.

What day? September 11th, we're going to celebrate Okarchi's. Why don't you just pick the next weekend? Listen, this is the Saturday that we have time, okay? It's the Saturday after Labor Day. That's when we do it. What the fuck, man? If it falls on that every seven years, fuck it. What are we supposed to do

what move next year jesus christ next week who gives a shit no celebrate there's a the fun-filled day begins at 9 a.m much like another fun-filled day on a september it's terrible at okarchi grade school with the mad dash again that's another event i don't want anything that's happening fast jesus christ live entertainment will perform on main street throughout the late afternoon hopefully something quiet without a lot of explosion loud sounds uh beginning at 4 p.m and ending at 11 food vendors are present there oh my goodness uh crafters will also show off their skills and their goods for purchase, filling up the rest of Main Street.

I don't know if they're hazmat suits or going with the whole theme. You can't do it on September 11th. No. There's a kiddie corral. I don't like that. The flags in the country are at half staff. We can't do this. Well, you lower that one, you raise the Okarchi flag to full mast,

and that's when we party down. Holy shit. I don't know. Makes the Oklahoma flag stand out just a wee bit more. It makes it stand. That's how we do it. We ain't going to lower it for New York City. We ain't doing that.

Wow. A kiddie corral with exciting games and inflatables oh yay uh that will be set up next to the post office oh with the purchase of wristbands for 15 it costs 15 to go to september 11th fest what the fuck is that that seems what are they doing i don't want to do it. Maybe it's the band here. Back by popular demand after his Okarchi Fest performance, we will have Wyatt Flores back. Thank God for Wyatt. Do you know who Wyatt Flores is? Okay, that's good.

No clue. That's a local guy. I got a feeling. And then next up, something I'm actually interested in, Burger Day Festival. All right. Yeah. Yeah. actually interested in burger day festival this all right yeah yeah a tribute to the fried onion hamburger cooked daily in el reno since the early 1900s um in a in the book hamburgers and fries

an american story they describe the history of el reno's fried onion hamburger they tell of ross davis who owned and operated the hamburger inn on Route 66 in downtown El Reno. He began making fried onion hamburgers in the 20s during the Depression, since onions were cheap and meat was expensive. So he'd just make it half onion. I'm confused. He would add a half-shredded onion atop

a five-cent meat patty and smash the burger with the back of a spatula. It made the burger look bigger while adding a tremendous amount of flavor. He just put a shitload of onions on a smashed burger that's a tremendous amount of no that's just that's all it is so it's cheaper is onion that's it and uh this is uh from the book like like other iconic american dishes the taste for burgers laced with onions was wrought during the days of privation eventually acquired taste spurred localized tradition and there you go so i am i am baffled there's that you can't you can't describe your food as wrought no matter you know i mean no matter how you spell that that's gross that

that sounds awful i'll make instead of meat how about i give you mostly onion how's that sound would you like mostly onion instead can i I get an 80-20 burger with an 80%? No, no. Not fat. Onion content. I'd like an onion to burger ratio. Mostly onion. If you smash my burger, I'll think it's bigger if it's wider.

So just do that. That is unbelievable. And then they said, this is nearby El Reno there, the El Reno Main Street program was established to promote downtown revitalization. Part of that, they said, is defining what your community is known for. So the first Main Street director, Carolyn Howard, met with downtown business owners and citizens to ask them, what is El Reno known for? The response, it was unanimous. Fried onion hamburgers. No thanks.

How about some cheese? I'll take that on my burger. I'll take a cheeseburger, not onion burger. You can put a little onion on it. I'm fine with it. You can put some onion on it. I don't want it to be a mostly onion burger. At that point, that's an onion patty with meat on top.

The meat is the garnish. Celebrate. Yeah. Can I get an onion burger with a bit of burger? Just a drop of some meat. Yeah, put some meat on it. Put some meat over onion. Yeah.

I am baffled. And why celebrate wartime? Granted, I mean, I guess it's somebody persevering. Yeah, depression. I guess it's somebody persevering and doing well in the depression. I guess that was Dust Bowl times, the 20s. That wasn't even depression yet. The depression had started to come here when the Dust Bowl came,

and once the wheat crops started getting overabundant. So anyway. I hate it here. Enough about the Dust Bowl. Crime rate in this town, what we're interested in, the property crime is about half the national average. Oh, great. Pretty low. And then violent crime is about half the national average. Oh, great. Pretty low.

And then violent crime, murder, rape, robbery, and of course, assault. The Mount Rushmore of crime, also about half the national average here. Is that right? It's a safe suburb. People move here to be, you know, I want to have a little more room. Sure. I want to have more dead grass in my yard. That's what I want.

A little more yellow. An acre of dead grass. That'd be great with a bright yellow sink. That'd be wonderful. I'd really like the sink to match the lawn. Obviously. Hey, does your sink match the lawn, sweetheart? What's going on?

Is that something that people say to each other? Is that like the curtains match the drapes? In Oklahoma, it is. Some pervert with a tiki bar in his basement would say, Hey, sweetheart, does your sink match the lawn or what so that said let's talk about a terrible murder i think it's only right let's do it let's talk about some people here let's talk about some people uh let's start out with a couple uh the reverend the good reverend richard douglas number one yeah richard douglas and his wife marilyn douglas as well uh the reverend richard is 42 years old and marilyn is 36 years

old okay they're married they have children they are they are the churchiest church people that ever churched they are oh no super into it uh. Richard is a pastor. He's a pastor at the Putnam City Baptist Church in War Acres, Oklahoma, which is another Oklahoma City suburb, and a past president of the Oklahoma Baptist General Convention. This guy will throw some fire and brimstone down on you. He knows his Bible and shit. So, yeah, he does all that his wife marilyn is a member of the state arts council and she does tons of stuff in the church she's a singer um in the church in the choir and she's a very talented i guess she does solos and stuff she's really good apparently uh richard he pastored his first church when he was only 16 years old. Holy shit.

So he's been doing this for 25 years already, and yeah, he got it early. That's what he wanted to do. Got the bug young. He's like Dave Chappelle. He started going to the comedy club really young, and you're 43. You got your game down at that point. You really can pump it out. So yeah, everybody loves him him and they love her.

She's a good mother as well. We'll talk about their kids. At first, he was a missionary, took the family down. This is in 1979. We're going to catch up with them. He's 42. She's 36 in 1979. A few years before that, they took their two kids down there they have two

children a boy and a girl and they took their kids to brazil to do missionary work for four years what yeah they did missionary work in brazil from 68 to 72 that is that's putting your time in holy shit that's my word that's a lot of missionary work uh and then he was in brazil wow that yeah a whole four years of i don't know what you're missioning seminary getting people to doesn't brazil have like that enormous jesus statue i don't think they need your any mission yeah i think they've got all the jesus they have that isn't that like the giant that's in rio yeah 120 story high jesus i don't want a fucking mountain overlooking the entire country i think you you don't even need to go down there you just get a phone book a

brazilian phone book you open it up and you go hello do me look out the window you see yeah that just look at that and think about it okay i gotta call it okay bye i got more calls to make and then you hang up they get a whole phone book of you just refer to that i think you don't have to go talk to them hey look out your window we did a lot of we we laid the groundwork already down there it's standing 1700 stories tall or however big it is i don't know it's very tall i know so who knows there but um either way they go down there and uh he also authored books and articles tons of them hundreds of of articles faith faith-based articles and different faith-based publications and shit like that. And he also authored the book My Way, God's Way in 1978.

That feels pompous and arrogant, right? My Way, God's Way. I would think the my is God's, like he's speaking, like those are words of God maybe. Or it's not like saying my way is the same as God. Or maybe it's your, my, meaning the collective, all of us, my way should be God's way maybe. I don't know what he's saying. Maybe he should have reversed that title and said God's way, my way. Yeah, there you go.

My way, God's Way. Yeah, My Way, God's Way sounds like a book Kanye would write. You know what I mean? Yeah, it feels like you were the inspiration. It's Kanye's new album, My Way, God's Way. My Way was God's inspiration, just so you know. This is a little bit less conservative than My Way. Or it's Frank sinatra's book either

one yeah there you go my way god's way that's how it works kid um so he also was dedicated to prison ministries all throughout oklahoma as well he did tons of of things like that uh going to prisons and ministering to people at prisons and uh he also, people, Marilyn would sing at church all the time, and everybody loved her voice. And they had a great little family, too, here at this point. By 1979, their kids, Richard Douglas Jr., he goes by Brooks, though. Brooks is 16, and then his little sister is leslie and uh leslie is 12 so 16 12 boy and girl very very picturesque family you know what i mean to brazil already oh yeah they have they could they speak portuguese these kids probably i mean they were young i can't imagine

they were down there at a young age for that long and didn't pick it up. You just pick it up. So Brooks is a senior at Putnam City High School, and Leslie is a seventh grader at Hefner Junior High School. And she is also Miss Teen Oklahoma, 1979. Stop that. Yep, Miss Teen Oklahoma. She's not even a teen. She's 12, but she's Miss Teen Oklahoma, 1979, Leslie Douglas, so the 12-year-old. And she's done all sorts of national pageants.

She's gone to Florida to do pageants. Yeah. And she's apparently good at it. She's Miss Teen Oklahoma, for Christ's sake. She's, you know. Good for her. American Teen Princess there. She's got all the right answers of how to make the world better.

Good. Yeah. Back then, I don't even know if you had to have answers. They were just like, we're going to ogle your children. Put them in tiny clothes and put them out in front of this thing, and we're going to put the Bee Gees on and have her gyrate, I feel like is what pageants were back then. And the judges will ask each other, which one could you jerk off to?

Which one could you jerk off to? And we'll collectively figure out which one we could all jerk off to which one could you jerk off to and we'll collectively figure out which one we could all jerk off to uh we have judge william cosby the honorable william cosby we have uh judge robert kelly and judge james savile are our three judges our three our three judge panel right here who's the third judge jimmy savile jimmy savel oh yeah sir james savel our third judge here uh sir james that is that's a gross one i watched that documentary oh fucking guy we got to do a bonus about him because he it was so obvious it's he was saying it he was he was as obvious as like to be surprised at him being gross quick sidebar to be surprised at him being gross quick sidebar to be surprised at him being gross is the same way that people were surprised that louis ck jerked

off in front of somebody if you've ever heard of his comedy and half of his jokes are like so i was jerking off in front of this girl and it was sort of voluntary that's like how he starts jokes you know what i mean he's a don't get me wrong louis fucking, you know, he he's a he's a 15 on a scale of one to 10 as far as comedic skill and how good he is. I'm not talking shit that way. I'm just saying that's it was, you know, you shouldn't be surprised by that. And you shouldn't be surprised by Jimmy Savile because he's disgusting. But I work in a hospital and I and I'll sleep with all the girls. And he wrote like he he had all these books and campaigns about stranger danger and all this shit.

It's like, yeah, be scared of strangers, but not me because I'm on TV. You know me. I'm not a stranger. That's what it is. I'm not a stranger. It's gross. Knuckles in you. That's crazy.

It's disgusting. So anyway, it's all a lighthearted nightmare on our podcast. Morbid. We're your hosts. I'm Alina Urquhart. And I'm Ash Kelly. And our show is part true crime, part spooky, and part comedy. The stories we cover are well-researched.

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call it. He said it was a tie, so these two. We need a tiebreaker here. Michael Jackson's coming in to tie. There he is. He said he needs to see everyone's butthole first, though. He said they'll only judge it if he can see all contestants' buttholes in private all four for about 20 minutes out of peter pan for about 20 minutes he's gonna want to see them so um anyway uh yeah brooks is very smart he skipped his junior year he's in his senior year already at 16 wow brooks is a smart kid and so is leslie she's a really sharp kid

too we're making fun of by the way not making funlie she's a really sharp kid too we're making fun by the way not making fun of leslie here this 12 year old we're making fun of the pageant people and yeah especially the 70s pageant you know circuit it's it's a pretty weird the whole idea is disgusting yeah it's pretty it's pretty weird there's nothing wholesome about that no granted you're giving kids college uh tuition or whatever advantage in life about their win, but you're doing it because you want to fuck them. Like, that's literally what it is. You're hot.

What? No. It's gross. Yeah. Everybody that runs a pageant, I feel like they're all, you know, Danny DeVito and Always Sunny up at the front going, I don't like kids. I don't touch kids. No one younger than

my wife you know like definitely not my daughter's age much much older no one no one younger than my daughter that's that was a song or whatever the fuck it was anyway so brooks always in addition to skipping a grade and being a senior in high school at 16 he also has two businesses that he does one where he kennels and takes care of dogs and like you know bathes them and does all this shit and then another one which is a car detailing business that he's working on too so hustler brooks is a busy kid and and really working hard and so is leslie too she's got a lot going on and studies and pageants and all this so the kids are you know they're a good family here. So they live in a nice little house on a nice kind of couple acres, you know, nothing too big,

nothing too small in Okarche. They're planning on moving to Oklahoma City here in late 1979. They're going to, a couple months from now, they're moving to Oklahoma City. There's something to do with the church and they got stuff going on there. So awesome. Planning to move. And then on October 15th, 1979 at 745 p.m., Maryland's making dinner. Whenever I give a time, Jimmy's like, oh, no, that's not good. A date's bad enough. If I say October 79, you're like, OK, if I say October 15th, you're like, oh, no, someone's in trouble. say october 79 you're like okay if i say october 15th you're like oh no someone's in trouble 7 45 p.m oh god someone's gonna die oh no there's a knock at the door at the douglas home that day okay um just you know knock at the door and in the 70s we now we freak out when anybody knocks the door but in the 70s when people knocked on doors like you couldn't text people to say you

were coming so now we have uh cameras on our doorbells so we can say go away who's that out there i don't know look at the ring door he's looking right at the camera i don't like him go out get out of here our doorbell has a microphone so we can tell people no the next thing is going to be for that to be hooked up to a pot of boiling oil up on above above them that will dump upon someone that's the next that's going to be for that to be hooked up to a pot of boiling oil up above them that will dump upon someone. That's the next. That's where we've all gotten to.

You'll likely have electricity first and then the boiling oil. Yeah, shock you like a taser flies out of the thing and hits you in the chest. You take two steps back and then right into the path of the boiling pot. We're almost there. As you run, there's a poof a sound and that's a thing of feathers flying onto you it'll stick to the hot oil as you run you're like oh god you have a feather cannon as well it's coming you're gonna you're gonna have to you're gonna have to run an indiana jones gauntlet just to sell me something i'll run the prototype for that if anyone comes up with

that you can install the prototype in my house first and we'll do it that way and we're almost there you never know we're almost there people used to show up yeah and you just be like hi help you and then they would explain why they're there and then you would how do you do come in I have some Sarah Lee for you yeah yeah that's Sebastianastian maniscalco and entomans don't you fucking touch that it's the truth for you that's for company oh god whenever he talks about italian stuff it's just disturbing how accurate it is it's just disturbing yeah every time i've just sarah will be laughing i just put my head in my hands and i go oh god it's so embarrassing. It's so true and embarrassing. 745, knock on the door.

Knock, knock, family. It is a guy named Glenn Burton Ake, A-K-E, Ake, I'm going to call him. Glenn is 24 years old. Glenn's background is a little spotty. Different kind of guy than this family, obviously, as I'll tell you here. He, in school and as a teenager, he was labeled a disciplinary problem. So, you know, not the most upstanding guy. He's a drug user of anything he can get his hands on. Really anything he can get his hands on.

And this is the 70s, so a lot of people were stuffing whatever they could into their body in the 70s. And he's an oil field worker. So he's known as like a hard-driving, hard-drugging oil field worker, roughneck. And a lot of these guys, too, that they get out there, they take these jobs. They're hard jobs that pay decent. It's one of the few jobs you can get in this area that pays well and you don't have to have any kind of education or, you know, you have to have a strong back. And you can be criminal. Yeah.

Right. That's the other thing. Yeah. As long as you can hack it, hard labor like this is like now he wouldn't be able to pass the drug test on something like this. But back then they didn't do that. It was a background check. No. This is like being like working in a kitchen or being a comedian or

something where they don't care if you've slaughtered four people can you get that dish out by this time can you make these people laugh that's all they care about do you know how to cook this shit do you know how to control the ground i don't care that your nose is bleeding that's not my concern nor my problem can you hack it here so he worked there. The morning of the 15th, they did a few things here. He's got a full day, we'll call it. In the morning, apparently, he was with his father and his grandfather, and they had helped him move some furniture that morning. Okay, so that we know. Apparently, other than him being a disciplinary problem as a teenager he had a normal childhood

everybody said the only thing that he's got a problem here that comes up is when he's seven and it kind of becomes a weird thing as it goes on when he's seven um he said that he he had a long talk with jesus yeah um, quote, daddy beat him for smoking cigarettes. Oh, boy. So, first of all. How hard did he beat him? He was seven, so he shouldn't be smoking or taking hard beatings at that point. You should keep your cigarettes and your fists away from your kids when they're seven.

Perhaps grounding him would be a good. Yeah. Where'd he get him first yeah you probably yeah so but back maybe that's your fault this is in the 60s though mind you too this is early 60s this happened so people had cigarettes in a dish out on the living room yeah i mean there was no you didn't like keep cigarettes away from kids there was butts in the ashtrays not a lot of taking responsibility for for your fuck-ups either it was no it was if the kids fucked up it was their fault yeah and as i said did had you even

told a seven-year-old not to smoke yet that's one of you wouldn't even think that they would think about it at that age have you sat him down and i told you many times to stop smoking cut down to a half a pack of the benefit of the right yeah the kid the benefit of the doubt how many times did he tell that kid god damn it i told you stop smoking him jesus kid at least filters for christ's sake he's smoking luckies come on man what are you doing so yeah he but he i don't know how hard he beat him but hard enough to where either there was some sort of head injury that made him think he talked to jesus for a long time or it just turned him into it really fucked up his mind and made him you know think that he could talk to jesus for long periods of time either way something bad happened there and um that's what he

was doing he'll get very over religious as he goes to got a lot of religiosity going on but in a weird way not like the not like the Not like the Reverend Douglas over here. Very different type of thing. Glenn is described as, at this point, coming to the door, he's 5'11", 210 pounds, blue eyes, dirty blonde hair. And I mean blonde and dirty and dirty blonde, both. He's probably filthy as well. He's got a full beard going on here, 70s full beard, and a tattoo of a heart on his right hand, which how many people had tattoos on their hands in 1979?

Hand tattoo. That's forward. People in prison for life without parole had hand tattoos, or people who, you know, God knows what happened to them. This was not a normal thing at all back then now it's no you wouldn't even look twice at it but then it was like oh what the fuck happened to you um and he also had a tattoo of a ribbon on his right arm so he's this bearded feminine tattoos yeah i don't know where they came from but he's this bearded oil working drifter who comes to the door with a heart and and a ribbon. With a heart and a ribbon, yeah. And he's got a buddy with him, too. Glenn does.

His buddy's name is Stephen Keith Hatch. He's 25 years old, and he is 6'1", 170 pounds, and he has a tattoo on his right arm that reads, Who, me? Which, I mean, you know. i kind of like it yeah it's a it's a funny tattoo i guess but it's also very definitive of a specific person i was gonna say been in trouble a lot he gets accused of a lot of shit is what that says and he's tired of even he's tired of even verbally and audibly defending them he just wants to point to a written statement on his arm already what's that hey did you steal my car points to the just silence as he points to the arm who me yeah you motherfuckers you steal my car

points to the arm one more time he won't budge i guess he didn't take it and then he leaves i guess that's his oh man he's got a big scar on his abdomen as well from a surgery from childhood surgery here or something yes um by the way both of these people have aliases that they use all over the place as well as as troubled oil field workers of the 70s might. You know what I mean? Ake's alias is Johnny Vandenover. Vandenover. Johnny Vandenover is his nickname.

Or his alias, I should say. That's his AKA. And Kells, or Hatch's nickname here, his alias, he sticks with Steven, which I think is funny. That's good, yeah. He keeps his first name just so he doesn't fuck it up. Lyons, or Lisonbee, L-I-S-O-N-B-E-E. Lisonbee?

Lisonbee, which is such a weird name, you wouldn't think it was fake, though. That's what I like. They're both kind of complicated. Polysyllabic? Yeah. Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah.

Most guys go with like James Burke or some shit. Yeah. I mean. If you're going to make up a name, go with Petrogallo, because no one, by the time they're done, you're done repeating the spelling and they're doing it, they don't think it's fake. They're like, Jesus. Nobody's looking that up. Poor bastard.

Yeah. And they move on. That's it. Lysenby. Lysenby. Yeah. Lysenby. Lysenby, yeah. Lysenby, Lysenby. So they've also been carnies in the past and will be in the future as well. But yeah, they're both just drifters.

They've been intertwined for a long time here. Hatch was living with Ake in October recently of the last few months. Yeah, Hatch is living with Ake while they work together on an oil rig in Kingfisher County. So they were working the oil fields. Everybody said that Ake was the ringleader of the two of them always. He was the guy going, come on, Stephen, we're going to go blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then Stephen would follow behind. Hatch was dating Ake's sister at this point keep up with this

one this is some oklahoma logic here hatch was dating ache's sister at this moment but earlier ache had been married to hatch's sister so they're just trading sisters with each other like i gave you my sister for a few years now it's my turn to have your sister. And he's like, all right. And he gives her to him. So he divorced the other guy's sister, and then that guy went and married his sister. They're not married yet, but they're an item. Oh, they're dating.

Ake was married to Hatch's sister. They were brother-in-law. They got divorced, and then Ake hooked Hatch up with his own sister. Okay. So it's like, well, you got my sister. It's only fair. And they hooked him up. So either way, they're dying to be brother-in-laws.

They just want to be brothers-in-laws. That's what it is. Maybe that's what it is. He's like, now we're not brothers no more. Don't worry. You got yourself a sister. We can make this happen. No, no, I'll talk her into it.

Don't worry about it. So on October 15, 1979, the day of the door knocking here, Ake and Hatch were working on the oil rig like every other day, just doing their thing, waiting for Okarchi Fest to happen, obviously. It's happened a month earlier, but they need it again. They're like, come on, Okarchi Fest. I need Wyatt Flores to sing the tunes of my life. So they're working that day when one of them overheard a two way radio conversation because it's, you know, distances in an oil field.

So they have radios and there's chatter on the radio as like in a lot of jobs. So they overheard that there are what they called legal authorities, some kind of cops, investigators that were at the drilling company's office at that moment in time. Now, how many people do you think are on like some sort of parole probation that are working these fucking oil fields? You know what I mean? A lot. Or currently wanted or being investigated or their sister got stabbed in a bar last night and they want to see if they were there as a witness. There's a lot of police interaction with these workers, I feel like, in this time period. It pays really well, so it invites and welcomes people that need that kind of money. Yeah, it's cash.

It's like the people who work on the crab boats or something like that. It's hard, dangerous, dirty work that you get paid more than you would normally get paid for that kind of time commitment for yourself. It's Matthew McConaughey and Dallas Buyers Club is what it is. It's those guys. Those grimy, granted that guy had AIDS, but they don't all have AIDS. Jesus. I was just going to say, do you mean what part of Matthew McConaughey and Dallas Buyers Club are you talking about? His lifestyle in that movie was crazy. He's lying to people. He's gambling like crazy. He's banging people crazy. The main point of it was the AIDS, though, I think.

That was the main issue. That was kind of the idea. But the people he was surrounding himself with in the oil fields were bad people. Well, yes. That's clearly, definitely. I think he was the only one with AIDS, but I can't guarantee it. It's kind of like Tom Hanks in Philadelphia. Not the AIDS part.

Just the part when he was working at the law firm. Yeah. Okay. Jimmy, a master of analogies it's pretty good i swear not the page part but did you see the movie i know yeah i know exactly what you're talking about because the oil fields were bad dudes man that was a tough spot to live there's a tiny of those there's all there's movies from the 70s about like oil rigged you know people that have fighting rings and like

organized crime and shit like that that was a a big deal so they hear this and rather than think oh shit you know could be any one of us they decide well we've both violated our probation shit loads of times here like i'm sure we got to be wanted by now so they think i'm sure they're here for us even though they had no fucking idea. So they borrow a car from another guy. They tell a guy they're working with, we got to get out of here right now. Can we grab your car? We got to go.

And the guy said, sure, I guess. Yeah, why not? And they drove this car to Enid, Oklahoma, where they picked up their money and all of their shit, and they took off. That's where he encountered his grandfather and his father and they helped him move some stuff. Now, within a couple hours, they're on the road. They just ran away in somebody else's car. Wow.

They weren't even slightly even positive that these law enforcement officials were after them. They heard there's cops in the office grabbed a guy's car grabbed all their shit from their house and fucking took off into the dust shit there's cops let's go that is fucking crazy that's really like wow talk about paranoid holy that's an extra level of i don't talk to cops. Wow. They're on the property. Where's your car? And they're peeling out with big dust cloud behind them. I'm going to go to another state. Wow.

So within a few hours, they are driving around. They encounter a family in rural Hennessy, the town of Hennessy. And that's the Cameron family there. And they rob them. They rob a family. They do kind of like a home invasion deal on them. And they rob them of about $2,000 in cash. Wow.

And a shotgun. Okay. So now they have a couple grand and a shotgun and a borrowed oil worker's car. And they possibly are wanted on probation violations but we don't know wow that's that's the that's the life they're living right now they fascinating group of people they hear something might happen and this is the result within three hours they've quit their jobs got all their shit stole their friend's car and home invaded and fucking robbed a family of thousands of dollars and because they heard someone was in the office.

Because there was a rumor. They didn't even know. Wow. They didn't even see him, did they? No, they just heard chatter over the radio that there was some vague law enforcement officials in the office of the drilling company. There's a million reasons that they could have been there. Put it that way. Could have been like the main office somewhere else.

Couldn't even have to be right here. Maybe somebody was vandalizing something and the cops came to take a report. You have no fucking idea. They don't know they're working on an oil thing out there. They just hear they're here. Next thing you know, there's a family, you know, tied up in their living room with all their money and their shotgun stolen. These two are taking some. And I feel bad for the poor bastard who was room with all their money and their shotgun stolen. And these two are taking some. And I feel bad for the poor bastard who was working with them who lent them their car.

This guy, at the end of his shift, he's sitting there with his lunch pail, like sitting on his hard hat, you know what I mean? Like a kid waiting for his dad to pick him up to go fishing. And he's just like, I don't think they're coming back, man. Well, I guess I'll stay here now. So they get all this from the Cameron family, and then they carry on looking for more shit to burglarize. Two grand's a lot of money in 1979. Sure is.

That's a lot of money today, baby. It is. But, I mean, in 79, that goes a long fucking way. You'd get a motel room for 20 back then like a nice one you know like yeah i mean you could go you could get on the road and do some traveling with two grand in your pocket so they uh they end up um they're still driving around they said they needed more money which i don't know why so they drove south on us 81 which is why I brought up US 81 earlier. What the fuck else would I bring up a highway? So they stopped at three houses at this point, quote, looking for a suitable place to burglarize.

That's what they're after here. Finally, the third house they come upon is the Okarchi residence of the Reverend Richard Douglas and Marilyn Douglas and Brooks and Leslie. OK. Okay. Yes. So they drive up there. At the time, Marilyn is cooking dinner in the kitchen. Richard Douglas is in a back room of the house probably writing a book or something, you know, doing something. Everybody's got stuff they're always doing in this family.

They're productive. Yeah, they're all just being amazing right now. They're all just doing productive shit. One's like, you know, Brooks is trying to work on the business model for his third small business before he graduates high school. They're doing a lot. Leslie's making her next pageant outfit. Yeah, she's sewing it right now. She's got the machine going. She's about to go win something else.

She's got needles in her mouth, you know, how they have them, taking them out right in her lips there. She's got one of those thimble things on. So Brooks had picked Leslie up, Leslie and a friend of hers up at a gymnastics class. He's even helping out the family. Look at this kid. He has time for everything. Brooks picks the younger sister up, drops the sister's little friend off at her house, and then Brooks and Leslie continue

home. And they got home a few minutes before there was a knock at the door. So they're just all settling in. The knock comes, the dog barks, as dogs do, obviously. My dogs are crazy if somebody knocks. And it was Glenn Ake outside knocking. Glenn's the one knocking. Leslie, outside knocking he's glenn's the one knocking okay uh leslie the little girl 12 she goes to the door and ache asked her and she answered back then p you just answered the door you know what i mean you didn't expect anything like that especially they're like jesus people they see anybody out there especially oh this is great they probably think we might be able to fucking you know tell you the good news we could save this guy he looks like he needs it you know what i mean so i'm not saying that's like you said all right i'm not saying that's what leslie was

doing but i think as this type of family is used to no you talk to the worst people because those are the people that you can reach and i think that's the kind of mindset that this family has souls that need it most so that yeah they're there as missionaries that's kind of what they do so they he asks her uh do you know where the Mitchells live? Do you know where the Mitchells live? Like, he acted lost, and he's like, I don't know. I'm looking for the Mitchells. Do you know where they live?

Dennis the Menace? Yeah, I think so. Mr. Mitchell, I think, he's by there. Dennis? Looking for Dennis? Is there a young boy? Dennis, he might be fucking up someone's garden or something at this point. Looking for Dennis. Is there a young boy, Dennis? He might be fucking up someone's garden or something at this point.

He did a lot of that in the cartoon for some reason. So they tell the Douglas family. Brooks comes to the door with her, like who's here? And he says, yeah, no, we don't know. Because she said, I don't know. Do you know where the Mitchells live? Like, I don't know. Maybe my brother knows.

He said, we don't know the Mitch you know where the Mitchells live? Like, I don't know. Maybe my brother knows. He said, we don't know the Mitchells. We don't know. Sorry. Never heard of them. Can't help you. And so they tell, Glenn says, you know, can we use the phone? I'm looking for this house. So, you know, lost guy looking for one of your neighbors.

Can I use your phone? So, yeah. Douglas, well, this is Brooks. He says, Leslie and I had just gotten home when 8 came to the door. He said he was looking for someone named Mitchell in the area. I offered him the use of the phone. Again, friendly people. He said when he got to the phone in the kitchen, he patted his pants pockets and looked in his pockets and then said, gee, I'm sorry.

Do you mind if I go to the car and get the number? I forgot the numbers in the car. Okay. Had it on a piece of paper. It was, you know, by the directions. Thought I memorized it. Blew it. Well, he got in there and went to pull it.

He went in his pocket and was like, oh, shit, went in his other pocket, like someone who forgot their wallet. And he's like, oh, damn it, left the number in the car. You wouldn't knock on a stranger's door and make sure you have fucking everything that you need? You would imagine so. The phone number? You know?

But he thought maybe they knew where he lived. Fine. That's all good. He looks like a drifter, though. He looks like a total dirtbag, this guy. So whatever. So Ake goes to the car, and then he comes back to the phone here. And so there he picks up the phone he's got a piece of paper and

he starts to dial and at that moment the front door swings open and Brooks said quote I looked up and there was Hatch holding a double barrel shotgun pointed right at me oh my god unexpected he said I spun around and

Ake had a.357 in my face uh oh so this is that's crazy yeah you look oh shit and you turn to him Expected. He said, I spun around and Ake had a.357 in my face. Uh-oh. So that's crazy. Yeah, you look, oh, shit, and you turn to him like, oh, what the fuck? And then he's part of it, obviously. He's got a gun in his face. Your buddy's got a gun. Oh, my God, you've got one, too.

He said, Leslie started crying. My mother said, take what you want, just don't hurt us. I went into the bedroom to get my father. I said, Dad, they have guns. He's like, what the fuck who what now he didn't even know anybody was here and now there's someone yeah wow gotta fill me in that's a terrible story son Jesus headlines headlines we need give me a dad two men with shotguns on uh at six o'clock yeah well I mean it's weird that they let him run down the hall to get his dad even you know so um anyway he um he then at this point he forces brooks and the parents to lie on the floor on

their stomachs and he hog ties them which if you don't know what that is that's your hands and your feet together behind you not good that's a bad way to it's very vulnerable it's every every vital organ you have is exposed you know on the ground and anybody can hurt you in any way shape or form ache then takes young leslie the 12 year old and takes her through the house telling her to show him where the phones are phones and valuables so he's going in every room. Is there a phone in here? Is there anything worth anything in here? So any phones he finds, he's ripping the cords out of the wall,

fucking tearing that apart. And then he's looking for shit to steal basically. So there's not a lot of shit to steal though. They were, they're not, they don't, they have a nice house and stuff, but they don't live extravagant lifestyle styles.

They don't have jewelry. They don't have fur coats. Like they're, they work for the church and they're not like Joel Osteenles. They don't have jewelry. They don't have fur coats. They work for the church, and they're not like Joel Osteen either. They actually are going to prison ministries and shit. So they don't have that kind of shit around there. So after he dragged... Now, keep in mind, both parents, Brooks,

hogtied on the living room floor, Hatch is there with a double-barrel shotgun standing over them, while Ake is dragging the 12 year old with 357 through the house ripping phone cords out rifling dresser drawers and shit okay at this point um they jesus christ this is fucking horrible brooks will later say then they took her then he took her in a bedroom and tried to rape her the 12 year old yes he said that um he and his parents could hear her crying which is fucking horrible um so apparently they yeah it's fucking terrible ache does what he does here and

then hatch comes in and he rapes her as well and then ache comes back in again oh my god this poor child this is fucking disgusting this is fucking disgusting um uh doug brooks later on said the brother he says we could hear leslie crying and we could hear him jiggling his belt buckle he just kept jiggling his belt buckle as he raped her he wanted us to hear it oh my god disgusting fucking awful piece of shit human being this is fucking horrible so after this horrible fucking disgustingness um they then bring her back in the living room and hogtie her as well next to the rest of the family then they sat down and ate the family's dinner what they laid them hogtied on the floor after that horrible and they sit at the table oh my god and use their plates to eat their dinner what the fuck man um it was hamburger patties with brown mushroom gravy so it kind of of Salisbury steak-ish type of deal.

Brooke said I remember that because she was making my favorite meal, which that was his favorite meal. So this is – they get done eating around 10 o'clock. They've been there for over two hours. Wow. Think of the terrifying, horrible two-hour ordeal this has been. Over two-hour ordeal this has been over two-hour ordeal this has been so far this is like this is in you know in cold blood the story in the book Truman Capote about the it's a fucking true story that's what this is man this is like this is like a btk fantasy yeah

this is the type of shit that btk fantasized about was your time and he did this this is exactly you know the otero family is what he's doing here this is fucking disturbing as fuck so anyway um yeah um when they finished eating they were openly discussing killing the family just sitting at the table sitting at the dinner table with a toothpick just going i don't know who should i mean we should kill him obviously well i don't know about that i mean we could keep the 12 year old and all like it's fucking disgusting they're these people are repulsive repugnant human beings so finally i guess ache instructed hatch go outside turn the crowd turn the car around so you know yeah so it's backward batman style there yeah um

and go outside turn the car around and listen for the sound okay so brooks said i knew that we were ready to be getting ready to be shot at that point listen for the sound so jesus christ um then he after he tells him listen for the sound um they keep there he's still there just like hanging out i guess hatch is in the car and he's just kind of hanging out with the 357 doing his thing um jesus christ he said they didn't know whether they wanted to shoot us or not they said brooks said they were they were saying like that we don't want to shoot you but we might have to we don't know to shoot you, but we might have to. We don't know. We'll see what happens, which is more torture, obviously. Yeah.

So at some point, apparently, when Hatch is out in the car, Ake takes it upon himself to decide that, yeah, we're going to kill these people. First thing he does is shoot Brooks, the young man, a bullet in his back, which collapsed his lung, tore his esophagus, and nicked his heart. Yikes. Then he moves on to Marilyn, shoots her once in the back. Next up, the Reverend Richard here, the father, shoots him twice. This is with a.357, a close range, by the way. That's way too much gun you don't need so much gun no it's so much gun um and brooks said i looked up and saw a bullet hit my

dad i saw blood splatter all over the windows and the curtains holy jesus christ this is this is like baraboo man this is fucking harrowing dude holy shit i'm getting nauseous here so um i promise it gets funny later but this is this part's not funny this is what we mean when we say this part we know that this isn't funny so we we know better and then we'll get the comedy later so um leslie at this point they move on to leslie shoot leslie twice in the back. Twice. This is the aiming is I'm shocked with where they're shooting him. It's fucking crazy. It's not to dispatch them fast by any stretch. No, this is two hours of torture.

Torture. Yeah. So then he heard a sound of an engine starting outside and they left. They stole. This is what they got from them. OK, total. This is what I mean from them okay total this is what i mean this is what this was all for they got the couple's wedding rings and 43 dollars what they didn't have anything jimmy that's what i mean this this was 43 dollars and and their wedding rings they're

they're humble people family gone and he's wiped out the family. So this is crazy. So Brooks tells his parents because they're all in the different processes of dying here. Brooks said he called out to his parents. He said, I told them both. I love them. He said, the only thing I can remember my dad saying is take care of your mother. Get your mother untied. So he somehow got himself untied after being shot in the

back and fucking collapsed lung and esophagus and his heart's nicked he's bleeding out internally he uh said he scooted her over uh he said i scooted over to her on my stomach and i untied her with my teeth with my teeth jimmy hero this fucking kid's a badass dude with his teeth he crawled he snake crawled on his you can't use your hands on his stomach he just willed himself over the ever cut her her hands wow that's amazing he said uh i said mom you're okay um can you untie me because he untied her and he goes mom yeah i got you untied can you untie me and he said her arms just collapsed at her side i saw the life go out of her no she was dead yep she died that's he has to chew more so he said uh quote i said ma i said dad mom is dead and he never said another word because dad dad died at that point too so um yeah uh that's that's fucking crazy um he was saying how also

like before the shootings he said that quote there's nothing wrong with wanting to shoot people that's what he was like telling them like i know you know you might think it's wrong but there's nothing wrong with wanting to shoot people sometimes you gotta shoot people that's what Ake was saying here. So right before he shot them, he also, by the way, fucking said, quote, well, I'm kind of in a bad position. I don't want to shoot you, but. And then he said at that moment is when he shot them. That's when Brooks said he felt the gunshot hit him. Oh, my God. He said, I don't want to shoot.

I'm kind of in a bad position. I don't want to shoot you, but. Bang. And he shot. That shot that's unreal dude you don't have to do it like that man um he said i felt the gunshot hit me i heard another shot and heard my mom shot screaming there was a long pause and i heard a couple more shots so holy shit uh the reverend douglas he dies and his death was caused by gunshot wounds and from strangulation from the manner in which he was bound. What the shit, man? So he couldn't get himself free and he also couldn't breathe. Tied him so tight, he's shot and he's panicking now and he can't breathe.

Unfucking real. Unreal, man. What torture. What a terrible way to die. Oh my God. He said, then Brooksoke said i scooted over to leslie and lifted her up to my knees um i told her to go find a knife and cut us loose so um she scooted over so she got up to her knees and kind of got over there um he said that um he said that his gag slipped back over his teeth um He was having such a hard time. Yeah, with his mother, he said she was looking at me.

I knew she was dead. Jesus Christ, man. That is fucking horrific. So after this, she gets a knife. They cut themselves free. She shot twice in the back with a.357, mind you. He shot once in the back. We heard about the damage done.

They somehow crawl their way outside, get in the back we heard about the damage done they somehow crawl their way outside get in the car and drive they fucking drive man they drive to a neighbor's house uh here at the home of dr jack barry who had was there a pediatrician right showed up with 357 wounds on their doorstep at fucking 10 30 at night and he was like holy shit called the cops tried to stop the bleeding get the ambulance coming all that kind of shit get them to the hospital and they both survive both children survive somehow i don't know how they survived that both of them that's a miracle but it's fucking crazy um wow that is disturbing as shit and uh ache and uh and hatch are off into the night driving off she has to so she survives with that with the most horrific attack the series of the

most horrific things that could happen to a 12 year old girl all in a row and her parents are now dead yeah well i include that in that in the series of things that happened. My God. Yeah, in front of her. My God. Oh, and now she's also got a 357 injury to her back, two of them, which is something to deal with. Oh, Jesus. Physically, mentally, emotionally.

Every part of someone that you could break down, they've destroyed with this poor girl. They've taken everything from her, yeah. It's fucking horrible. This is terrible. It it's fucking horrible. This is terrible. There's no it's just fucking horrible. These two are disgusting human beings. So let's find out what the fuck that happens to these idiots. So welcome to the small town of Chinook,

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At this point, since they called the cops, they have a good description of them, all this shit, they start a manhunt for them. Total manhunt going on. FBI gets involved, multi-state. They think they went to Arkansas, so the FBI is all over Arkansas. They had a witness who saw two men in the area and in some area in Arkansas who fit the general description of them. In the newspaper, it says the two drifters are considered to be extremely dangerous. The FBI guy looking for him said said these two men are dangerous psychopaths yeah yeah i would say that's a fair it's a fair assessment they're the worst kind um he also they also have a 30 30 rifle a 12 gauge shotgun a 20 gauge shotgun and a 410 gauge shotgun as well in their possession that they know of all the types of of shotguns. All the shotguns they stole here.

They stole this from another place, a Mrs. D's. They stole her car and her articles, a bunch of her articles, but they find out that they didn't steal all her shit. They think they murdered another woman in Arkansas, and it's actually not even them. So he told another person, Ake did, that Ake is wanted in Amarillo, Texas for probation violation and that they're obviously both wanted on other charges. Right. So the FBI is looking for them.

They end up calling off the manhunt in western Arkansas because they hear they've left the state. They've left the state. They say, our latest information is that our suspects probably caught a bus for New Orleans. Okay. Which was actually very good intelligence, because that's exactly where they were, was New Orleans. Really? They're not caught there, but they're there, wandering around somewhere. They're down there.

I mean, you can kind of hide out in the bayou probably here. It's probably not difficult. William Kell, the Arkansas FBI chief, he said the manhunt began saturday morning after an oak grove grocer eccles whitney recognized hatch from a photograph in the newspaper and said he was quite certain that the man with him was also hatched which was the other guy well done here uh the owner of Finley's Grocery Store in Bismarck identified Hatch as the man who bought some cigarettes from him at about 11 a.m. That's outside. That's in Arkansas, not Bismarck. South Dakota.

North Dakota. North Dakota. So they said that the officers began a search of the Bismarck area and found an area where they apparently camped the night before. Oh. Hot on their trail. Hot on their trail. So they said that two area residents also identified photographs of the two men who were seen in the area where it's a small mountain area and that's where they found the campsite. So people from around there said, yeah, we saw those guys around there.

They were camping. The FBI said they believe the men must be receiving assistance from people in the area he said it would have been difficult to find the remote campsite if the person were not familiar with the area yeah but you don't know where they went camping when they were 12 you have no fucking idea you know yeah i mean i've had plenty of weekends where uh i would i was at places that I have no fucking idea where those are. It's only me go there every year. Maybe Hatch was a Boy Scout, for Christ's sake, and they went on a retreat.

We have no idea how they would know that was there. Twice in his life he's been there. If you knew any remote areas, this would be the time to say it and go there. Well, I know a place in Arkansas where we can hide out. That's where you'd go. So where are they anyway? Well, all through this area here, after leaving the Douglas home, they went on a multi-state crime spree again. Now they're on the road.

Yeah. Oh, now it's fucking cats out of the bag now. Now they're desperate, and they know if they're caught, they're in a lot of trouble. Oh, fuck yeah. They went to Fort Smith, Arkansas. They went to Memphis, Tennessee. So all the way through Arkansas to end up in Tennessee. And then down to New Orleans after that.

They also took credit cards from the Douglas home, and they were using them along their trip. Idiots. We'll find out here. Back then, you couldn't immediately look up on a computer where it's been used. It's not traceable. It would take a day to catch up to it, but you'd still, they'd know where you're going. They'd wait for a statement. Yeah, well, yeah, they would

because it was like the ch-ch-ch, that little, it wasn't any kind of computer. They got to mail that paper in to American Express to get the credit back. And they have to fucking, you know, process it. Process it and then do it. It's a lot. And then do it.

So they had all of that. Hatch began wearing the Reverend Douglas' wedding ring at this point, by the way. Wearing it. That's disgusting. You disgusting fucking monster. Wearing it. That's just pride, right? Insult to injury.

That's a serial killer brazenly wearing a trophy. There it is. That's the same thing as I killed an old lady and stole a brooch and then gave it to my wife. So then she wears it. I feel, look at that. That's the same thing as, you know, I killed an old lady and stole a brooch and then gave it to my wife so that she wears it. I feel, look at that. That's the same bullshit. BTK wearing Nancy Fox's earrings. Exactly. They're giving them to her.

That's crazy. Yeah. So in Louisiana, they get down outside of New Orleans and get jobs as carnies. Okay. new orleans and get jobs as carnies okay now this is never ever ever ever ever ever ever take your kid to one of these fucking carnivals that comes into town and sets up shop in the in the old k mart's parking lot yeah they don't care who is working there i've told you about satanic bill if that wasn't enough they let these two with fucking a whole family's blood on their shoes. Legit murderers.

What the fuck was the job interview? Well, I see you've worked in an oil rig. You're very good at pedophilic rape. That's a skill we're really looking for out here to run our Tilt-A-Whirl. We understand you can count cash, but how are you at the good old-fashioned rape and murder? Good God, man. What the the fuck this is who they hired there where do you see yourself in five years is it death row because you're hired most of the people here that's that was the common answer death row and not for things they will do most of it for things they've already done already we don't we

don't judge get caught in the next five years, death row. We don't judge here at Limpy Pete's Carnival. We don't judge. We don't judge. Limpy Pete has a strong policy against judgment. So, yeah, that's where they get a job at a carnival. They're wanted in multiple states for multiple things, including rape and murder and burglary and home invasion

and all of this different shit. The worst of the worst. The worst of the worst. And they're like, yeah, you fellas look fine to me. They're wanted, James, for murder, rape, robbery, and assault. Yeah, they're wanted for the whole Mount Rushmore of crime. All of them. So they encounter a young lady who now joins their posse.

They're taking people on, Jimmy. It's part of their little- Gals. Virginia Rose Keefe is her name. Virginia. She's 19. Oh, Jenny. 19 years old.

She had first met Ake a couple of years ago. When? When she was fucking 16? What are you talking about what's happening when you were a child you met this disgusting monster when wow she met him uh in in wyoming a couple years ago now she's in louisiana but she had met him in wyoming a couple years ago while he was working at an oil field um in gillette wyoming and apparently when they were in the the on the run here hatch and ache they were in morero louisiana which is a new orleans suburb they go in they go into a

laundromat and lo and behold who's sitting there virginia rose keith jenny is that you is that you jenny get on over here. Come on, Ginny. And they all start hanging out. She's working at a grocery store in the area, and they're working at the local fucking carnival. Wow. And she said they came to use the pay telephone, and Ake introduced her to his friend. This is my friend Hatch. We're working in the carnival.

They'll quit that in a couple days, though, obviously. We're about done. Take off into the night. Yeah. And then they ended up, she said, sure, I'll join your carnival. Let's do it. So she ends up on the road with them, basically. She said, well, what are you doing here? Because what have you been up to?

Well, we work in Oklahoma on the oil rigs and all that. And she said, well, what are you doing here? Because what have you been up to? Well, we work in Oklahoma on the oil rigs and all that. And she said, well, what are you doing in Louisiana? He said, quote, we're bad news in Oklahoma. We're bad news in Oklahoma. You heard that song, Bad News? That's us. We're bad news in Oklahoma. I'm going to say that whenever anybody goes, hey, how come you never come to, you know, whatever.

How come you never come to International Falls, Minnesota? Bad news in International Falls, Minnesota. I'm not going to give any further explanation. We're bad news in Savannah, Georgia. Sorry, we can't be there. I think it's a Johnny Cash song. I'm bad news in Tallahassee, little darling. I'm sorry.

I can't get down there. Hello, bad news. Bad news in Alahassee little man a little darling i'm sorry i can't get down there bad news in albuquerque make ourselves real scarce there because we're bad news we're bad news boy i'll tell you what bad news that is that's got to go somewhere in the title because that is ridiculous they are bad news though so um yeah she was working in a grocery store they were working in the carnival in a carnival in harvey which is another town near there and uh she quits her job to travel with them because her life is going great the iga no more yeah well let's travel the world she said she's just been hanging around anyway she doesn't live

there she's not from there she lives there now but i think i'm bad news means i'm bad we're bad news in oklahoma what does she think that means any room in that car for me what the fuck kind of decision is that to make that's a crazy that means the police looking for us there obviously johnny law don't want me there well he does want me there forever yeah forever and well maybe till they kill me so they at that point uh she said sure why not i'll ride with you they don't have any car they've ditched the car long ago so they're taking buses and shit like that she apparently had um come here from florida where she just ended a short-lived marriage. She's 19.

She's meeting oil rig workers in Wyoming and having short-lived marriages in Florida. No 19-year-old should be at this point. What a life. And then meeting drifters in the laundromat that she knows already in Louisiana at 19. That are how old at this point? You know what I mean? She shouldn't be around these gentlemen. They're 25.

Yeah. Well, they're like hardened oil workers. Hardened criminals. Yeah. She knew them when she was still a junior in high school, for Christ's sake. Or should have been a junior in high school. I'm sure she wasn't. Possibly a sophomore.

Possibly a sophomore if she was a little dumb. So they buy three bus tickets to Orange texas where everybody buys a bus ticket to obviously yeah that's probably the only way you can get to orange i doubt there's an airport no one's flying international no you gotta fly like fucking frontier or something to get there that is the frontier so they begin to hitchhike on us 87 on the highway there so they find um during this they they use a credit card that they have stolen to buy to buy fuel for a stolen sports car that they have as well here they use virginia to use marilyn douglas's credit card and then sign her name as maryland keith because she's a gal so they were using that for purchases um yeah so they're fucking they travel around for

a month i mean dude they're all over the place a month they're wanted by everybody the federal government for christ's sake and they're just all over the place here um they go to the west coast and back they're fucking it's crazy 70s yep she said she was glad to do it because that short marriage ended and she just needed to get the hell out of here you know what i mean and tired of stalking this is bullshit get on the road um one time though they thought that they they were looking for them in dorothy gene d's car that's the car they were looking for them in Dorothy Jean D's car. That's the car they were looking for. But they were eventually eliminated.

This is while they're still on the run. Eliminated as suspects in her murder. She was found shot to death in her home after burglars came in and did a home invasion and shot her. Two other suspects. We got a my cousin Vinny situation going on here. Two other suspects had been arrested in connection with the murder that would be Vinny that would be the young Gambini

and his friend Ralph Macchio and his friend have been arrested for this murder meanwhile these two are in a stolen fucking 1963 Pontiac Tempest with a stolen.357 handgun it all matches up. Where's Marissa Tomei when we need her, Jimmy?

These two men are innocent that they're arresting over here. Six Degrees have to top Ted Suna. That's what I mean. Obviously. Who the fuck doesn't know that? The suspects they arrested are Charles Goodwin and some other guy, too. Come on. They're innocent.

It's obvious. It's obvious what happens when they get arrested. So anyway, but they ended up arresting this pair and they had jewelry identified as belonging to Mrs. D's. So that's kind of hard. But maybe they got them from those guys. Who knows? We don't know.

We don't know. But we do know this. At some point in their travels, they're in Texas. So during this, Ake had called home, wherever the fuck that is. I guess where his dad and grandfather live, where he got his shit from. He called home and found out that he's wanted for murder

of the Douglas family. He pretended like he didn't know that for a while. No shit. Really? You don't say right is that right is that right god damn yes curious they so they um at this point by the way while they're doing all this they're they find out they're wanted for murder they're discussing what happened they tell virginia keith what why they're on the run they're like yeah we killed

this family up there we yeah we killed them all. We're bad news. They thought that they killed the whole family until he called home and found out that the kids survived. He didn't know that. He thought he killed the whole family and he had no witnesses. Now he goes, oh, shit, the kids lived? Holy fuck. So they were discussing in front of Virginia Keefe their desire on more than one occasion they discussed and tried to get a plan together to go back to Oklahoma to go to the hospital and kill

the children. What? To kill the children in the hospital so they can't identify them and testify against them. Kill the children in the hospital. How are you going to do that? Kill the children in the hospital. 12-gauge shotguns make a lot of noise. And they're looking for you.

Everyone's looking for you. The one place they won't be looking for us is in the hospital. 12-gauge shotguns make a lot of noise. And they're looking for you. Everyone's looking for you. The one place they won't be looking for us is in the hospital where them kids are. They'll never think we could be there. You pop into the hospital and just smother them to death? What are you going to do, man? It's going to make a lot of noise. What is this, the Godfather? You don't have to kill everybody in the hospital, man.

This is ridiculous. So anyway, that's what they're saying they traveled to texas uh where they ended up burglarizing another home okay during this this is at this home are dale kokins uh kokins who that's one of the credit cards they end up with and a man he's 35 years old and a man named yerby land the third you're being your your be land sounds like something out of mario brothers doesn't it sounds like you'd ride yoshi to your be land and then it's when it's when uh kirby uh uh crosses over and enters the game and uh it's his land it's kirby land and you get to use kirby there oh all exclusively i think that's how it works right

yeah you get to float there. It's only on that one Mario Kart game, though. Not on the one they didn't update it for the next one. So Yerby Land III is 27. Now, Coquines lived in Beaumont, and he and Yerby Land both worked as civil engineers for Blunt Industries on a construction project on a sewer treatment plant in Austin. Blunt is huge. That's a big deal.

So they had worked on, they'd worked together on a project. They did that for about four years. They worked on this big thing. These two were like a team. They worked together all the time. They worked together on a big project in Saudi Arabia as well.

Lan's father is like an executive and a longtime employee at Blunt as well. Land's father is like an executive and a longtime employee at Blunt as well. So they're a legacy even. So what happened is Ake and Hatch were arrested at one point later on when we talk about this. When they're arrested later, they are driving Land's silver 280Z Datsun.

Right. Bad car. Yeah yeah those are cool little cars especially that was like when they first kind of came out too like that where they were cool the long hood and the short back pretty fucking cool um so they um that car they had actually eluded a wyoming town marshal in that car as well yeah that's a good drive that thing's fast as shit that's a good ad for the old uh 280z yeah yeah outrun a wyoming fucking town marshal while he's looking for you on murder charges just cloud of dust behind you buffalo scattering out of the way show that on the commercial that's what i want to say so So, um, yeah, like I said, they took his credit card. They also took, uh, uh,

well, anyway, they ended up killing these two men. They got both. What? They shoot them both to death. They shoot them both to death in a home invasion, steal their car.

Um, they also take their credit cards and later on Virginia Keefe will have two gold rings and a necklace and a bunch of other items that belong to land as well. Ginny's a monster. The Coquine's credit card had been used all over the place to buy gas, and the car was driven, quote, all over the West in California, Nevada, Utah, and several other states. Anybody want to pull this fucking thing over besides one lone Wyoming town marshal? You got two dead guys. How is there not an APB around this entire country over besides that one lone wyoming town marshal what's happening dead

guys how does how is there not an apb around this entire country looking for that car looking for that car with these people who killed four people maimed two others and this is fucking insane so um the car the other fucked up thing is the car they somehow when they were in california i think this helped them they got drove it out to california somehow ended up gotten getting the plate switched out to get california plates they stole some california plates or bought them from somebody who did something took the original plates off slapped some california plates on it now they don't even look twice at it is that the car oh no no it's not texas especially if it's especially if it

says 280z on the registration of it. You know what I mean? Yeah. If they stole plates from a 280Z, that's easy. I just mean at a glance. If you're looking for a car with Texas plates and you see that car and you go, oh, it's California. Never mind. I'm not looking for that.

You know what I mean? Don't even run it. Who cares? That's what I think. It'll get you that less of a deal. So she ended up, Jesus Christ, when they started hitchhiking in Texas before they killed these two men, Virginia Keefe said they were broke, hungry, and needed money. So they ended up killing these two guys, Dale and Yerby. They were found in their small white frame house in Lumberton, which is in Hardin County, about 10 miles north of Beaumont.

They were dead for two days before they were found. Jesus Christ. So they had a head start with the car too. Their hands were bound and paper sacks were put over their head. That's fucked up, man. That's fucked up. And they were both shot in the back of the head

with a shotgun. Yikes. So they're doing the refining. That's what it is. Oh, we shot those two kids in the back, and they lived back of the head with a shotgun, and we put a paper bag over their head so they don't see us just in case they survive. It's fucking crazy. This is just gross.

So now they're wanted in Texas on capital murder charges as well. So they're two states, the federal government, they got a lot going on after them. And two states that are joyful about killing inmates that kill people. Yeah. They can't wait to do especially this type of thing. So they were trying to figure out, is it the same M.O.? Is this like a thing? And it is.

They're refining it. They're refining their game. It's obvious. If they if they were free for ever, they would have kept doing this and kept getting more refined. He said the sheriff said, as far as I know, the victims in the Oklahoma murder were not hooded. The authorities we talked to said they were just bound hand and foot, similar to the way our victims were tied and shot in the back with a pistol. So, yeah. Somewhere in Colorado, Virginia Keefe breaks off from them and takes a bus to Wyoming, which she has family in Wyoming. That's why she was in Wyoming when she was 17.

And then she ran away to Florida, got married. That didn't work out. Ended up in Louisiana. And now through murder and a bunch of travel in a stolen car has ended up back home again. Yeah, I would, too. murder and a bunch of travel in a stolen car has ended up back home again yeah i would too uh also it's it's not it's not a far trip from colorado to wyoming so that's that makes sense that if you get that close and then you just think home's right there i'm just gonna go back home this is too crazy it's been a crazy run it's been a month of imagine a month on the road with these

two psychopaths holy shit yeah how many times did she have to have sex with both of them you know she was in a relationship with ache over the course of this whole thing okay so she was in like a they were together actually doing things they were together he was yeah gross absolutely um so they get the police get a call in bags wyoming Wyoming. B-A-G-G-S. Bags, Wyoming. A guy called the cops and said he overheard multiple women, which would be her and I believe her mother and sister, discussing a double slaying with two other men. Like, yeah, then this happened. Then there was blood everywhere. And this guy's like sipping his coffee at the.

She said what? It's Wyoming. I just picture this just blank plane with just this tiny little box of a diner sitting in the middle. And it's the ladies at one table and this guy just at the counter. And those are the only people here. And, like, one lady with, like, you know, blue hair and pineapple earrings back there. All you hear is the sizzle of bacon. And then you hear, then he shot him right behind the ear.

Blood shot. I had brain on my shoe and this guy's like sipping his coffee they put paper bags over their head you seen what a shotgun does to a paper bag oh man it was so gross and he's jesus christ well done over easy for me please he's like i should have got him over medium these easies are too just a little too much a little too runny. A little too runny. Setting up was a bad choice. Bad choice today.

Making me a little sick. Let's go with scramble, darling. How's that? Texture's not doing it for me. It's just, it's hurting me today. forget it.

Just keep the change. I gotta go. Tell you what, just some toast, please. Thank you. So he called them. The call told about that.

It was at this point where they almost caught the guys, but they escaped from the Marshall in the 280Z. Yeah. So, yeah, that's that's how that happened. So then but they ended up getting Virginia Keefe because the men drove away. Virginia was still sitting there. So they got her and talked to her.xas officials fly to wyoming to take her into custody and to talk to her obviously about the killing of people there they take her in um she is uh she said she left wyoming headed for the southeast united states like we said reunited with ache traveled around the west coast in her interview they said quote did you sleep with him she said yes they said did you love him she said no and uh then it went from it went from we were all doing this to um they forced me to make to purchase goods with credit cards owned by mrs douglas and uh they said well why'd you forge the dead woman's name she said because if i didn't i'd be killed too and she said uh they said by whom she said both of them they both threatened me so uh yeah she said uh at this point they end up releasing

her to the care of her mother yeah they don't hold her by the way not even as an accomplice they question her and then release her as like we'll figure it out later we'll come get you if we need you don't go anywhere type of thing i guess if i guess if they're nice to her and she thinks she's gotten away with whatever she's gotten away with she'll probably remain because you know what i mean yeah she kind of needs her family they end up never charging her with anything stop this nothing jimmy nothing right now nothing they actually say here you go right to your room what they say she's never been charged and gorky who is the one of the sheriffs said that once once they are caught the men and their trials are over she's free to go where she wishes what are you talking about in the fog they killed the guy she stayed with them for another

month she killed they killed two guys that she was there she had the dude's shit she had a bunch of their stuff of the dude's stuff she's doing the credit card stuff at any point in a month she could have if she was so scared gotten away from these guys that's not patty hearst james i'm calling yeah i'm calling bullshit on her whole i'm calling yeah it's patty hearst james i'm calling yeah i'm calling bullshit on her whole i'm calling yeah it's patty hearst damn it so and she can't even say that she doesn't even deny that she was there for the killings because they said that she came down to texas gave detailed statements on the deaths of the men and then quote she took us to the scene of our crime and we found the spent shotgun shells she even said this is where

they were standing so and then they figured out where the shells were trajectory sure she was there oh yeah she definitely was there there's no question so let's go to craig colorado this story is fucking hell is that i have no idea this story is fucked isn it? Is this a crazy story or what? So Craig, Colorado, where they encounter a rancher named Mike Pondella. Mike Pondella is a Craig, Colorado rancher who lives at the ranch with just him and his three-legged dog. Oh. Yeah, so it's just this guy doing his thing. Oh. Yeah.

So it's just this guy doing his thing. Ake and Hatch are driving a 280Z Datsun, which if you know anything about them, not great in the snow. No. Not great in the snow. That rear wheel drive is a pain in the dick in the snow. And it's so light, you're going nowhere. You're just spinning in circles. So they get stuck in the snow northeast of Craig, Colorado. So they walk, trudge through the snow,

ache and hatch. I mean, we've seen the Donner shit. Bad things can happen here. Until they encounter a cabin. In that cabin, Mike Pondella and his three-legged dog. They approach the cabin. They immediately kill the dog. Oh, what the fuck, man?

They bum rush this house and shoot they bum rush this dog is suffering enough motherfucker so they've raped a child and killed a three-legged dog like you can't get worse the worst people the worst fucking people i could imagine like what would be worse honestly if they raped the dog first that's the only way it the dog first, that's the only way it's worse. That's the only way it's worse. Took turns on the dog and then fucking killed it while making the guy watch or something. I don't know. What the fuck?

So they kill the dog, and the man, at gunpoint here and is worried, he gives them beer. He goes, you guys want some beer? Like, I don't know what the fuck else to do here. Don't kill me. You can't kill a guy giving you beer, right? Right. So they drink some beer, and then Akin Hatch must have been fucking tired from trudging through the snow and everything. And drinking beer.

Trudge through snow, then drink beer. You will sleep very well. You'll snooze. Especially in a quiet cabin with snow falling. Oh, that sounds amazing. I want to do that right now. You can hear it. Hear it land. It's so soft. With dog blood on your pants. Especially in a quiet cabin with snow falling. Oh, that sounds amazing. I want to do that right now. You can hear it.

Hear it land. It's so soft. With dog blood on your pants. You know how it is. Oh, God. Gross. That part I don't like. So once Ake and Hatch fall asleep, once they fall asleep, Pondella, who was tied up at this point, fucking slips himself out of his binds and takes off out of

the house and creeps off creeps off through the snow into the night and calls the cops the uh hatch and ache wake up to the house being surrounded by cops they wake up to come out with your hands up fucking house is surrounded and it is it's they send uh shit everywhere what do they have uh more than a dozen officers they send out to the scene to get them um yeah it's they're there the 10 deputies surrounded the five-bedroom ranch house at 10 45 a.m and uh now 10 isn't enough to completely encircle the house sure so one of these two idiots gets away and tries to take off on foot through the snow holy shit doesn't work out very well they're tackled from behind in the snow

obviously and dragged back in and then they're taken into custody this is november 20th 1979 the murder of the murder of the douglas family happened october 15th that's how long leafable this has gone by so uh they're extradited back from colorado to oklahoma uh they waive the extradition bullshit and they let them they just do it they're put in the city jail in el reno okay now ache is sitting there and three days go by sitting in the jail and he asked to speak to the sheriff and he gives the sheriff at that point a detailed statement concerning all the crimes yeah it was first taped and then put to 44 written pages holy shit yeah this is a fucking he talked he said every basically what did you do since you left the oil field that day? And he, 44 pages worth.

You got more paper? You're going to need more paper. Trust me. Just believe me. Get more. Go to the storage room and just get everything you can. It's going to be a lot. So 44 pages, and he signs it and everything.

And he acts funny, though, is the other thing. He acts very funny, and they get him checked out when he does his original deal. They want him checked out by a mental health facility. Because, first of all, the things he does are terrible, and he's acting really weird while he makes this confession. So Dr. R.D. Garcia, who is the chief forensic psychiatrist at Eastern State Hospital, he sits down with Ake, says, what's happening? What's shaking, big guy? What's happening? Yeah, what's going on?

So he sits him down, and Ake very calmly explains to him what's going on. He says, listen, I get you guys have a job to do. I understand. The cops have a job to do. You have a job to do. Everybody have a job to do i understand the cops have a job to do you have a job to do everybody has a job to do guy dropping fries at mcdonald's he's got a job to do but so do i that's the thing i have a job to do as well and currently you're fucking it up by the way i as a sidebar you're really fucking up what i'm trying to do here i'm on an assignment from god understand and yeah you don't know you never

heard of me i'm the blue angel oh yeah he's the blue angel on an assignment from god that's his name that's who he is i've never heard there you go except for the air force i've never heard one glenn l uh glenn burton ache i'm uh johnny vendover and I'm the Blue Angel on an assignment from God. Whatever one you want to call me, it's fine. Yeah, it's you know, my family also called me Scooter when I was a kid. If you want to use that, that's fine, too. I'll answer to that. It's all a lighthearted nightmare on our podcast, Morbid. We're your hosts. I'm Alina Urquhart. And I'm Ash Kelly. And our show is part true crime, part spooky, and part comedy. The stories we cover are well-researched. He claimed and confessed to officially killing up to 28 people.

With a touch of humor. I'd just like to go ahead and say that if there's no band called Malevolent Deity, that is pretty great. A dash of sarcasm and just garnished a bit with a little bit of cursing. This mother****er lied. Like a little bit of cursing. This motherfucker lied. Like a liar. Like a liar. And if you're a weirdo like us and love to cozy up to a creepy tale of the paranormal,

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the doctor said, quote, he thought he was on some special assignment. And he said that during this interview though, this was only about his current state. Ake did not say whether he felt that way at the time of the shootings, but Ake did tell him

that over the last 10 years of his life or so, he has taken an excessive and gigantic quantity of both alcohol and hallucinogenic drugs. I believe that, yeah. You never know what's going on here, so that's another thing you got to throw in the mix as well um so uh and the both the couple's wedding rings and their credit cards were found in his possession when he's arrested as well of course not looking good so um yeah they they they talk to him and uh they talk about the whole we heard that you said listen for the sound and all because they have blow by blow description from the kids this isn't like we have to piece this together they fucking have told us everything motherfucker like in horrifying horrifying detail so they put him back in his cell after his initial psychiatric evaluation and while he's awaiting his next court

date apparently he tells his cellmate charles yancey or the guy across the hall from him there, quote, I'm going to trial and mess with their minds. I'm going to act like some kind of angel. And then he tells that was after he said he was the blue angel. Yeah. He said, quote, I like the people I met down at the crazy house, and that's where I want to go down. You want to go down there? I like the people I met down at the crazy house, and that's when I want to go down when, in fact, i met down at the crazy house and that's when i want to go down when in fact i go down that's what he said he also went on to say quote i like the food there

i like the ladies and i met a guy named and i met a guy named the wizard who's playing crazy just like i am so he's the wizard this is like the copa down there in the 60s like it's swinging it's swinging they got the ladies you got the food down there they putting good bands in every night it's a swinging time there's a guy i got some dude named the wizard he's pretty cool to hang out with he's he has no idea come on down to the crazy house everybody it's where the fun is ladies pudding fucking wizards it's all there for the taken down at the crazy house holy shit this fucking episode is but oklahoma oklahoma what is going on from phillips right to now what is happening here at least what was i don't know i don't know they got it figured out i maybe i don't know i don't know

so he uh during his arraignment he wears a just jeans and a t-shirt with the rolling stones logo on it so that's what he's wearing they let him go to the tongue out logo that rolling stone it's a fucking rolling stones that's what he's wearing how you doing like he's like he's going to a concert let's just say you can't wear a logo with a large shirt with a large logo with a tongue sticking out at somebody when you're accused of raping a child can we just say that probably bad idea so he he and hatch together in court just chatted it up and occasionally giggled as well during they were tried at the same time? The arraignments were at the same time.

Their trials will be separate, though. They're just bullshitting. They're just bullshitting. Earlier in the hearing, by the way, before the giggling, the judge asked him his age, and Ake said, quote, 24, 25, somewhere around there. I don't keep track. I don't keep track in my early 20s.

I don't keep track. He's't keep track in my early 20s. I don't keep track. He's 20. What are you talking about? I lost track. Somewhere around there, I don't keep track. Like, you're a 98-year-old man who's from the forest somewhere, and he's like, oh, somewhere around 100 years. We'll check the carvings of the tree when I was born.

Tell you what. What year were you born born i can do the math yeah tell you what take out your driver's license what does it say on it you dumb shit so ache at the at one point they're you know brought before the judge and they're standing there and it's hatches next him, and his lawyers are there, and the prosecutors are there. Ake takes two steps back from the bench, from the judge, and yells out, quote, Why don't you just go ahead and kill us now? Okay?

So the judge, before he can say anything, he says, Get rid of us! Throw us away! Hell, they'll just kill us anyway. That's what you want to do so just do it get it over with so he starts screaming like that okay in court then uh sheriff's deputies rush in and they start pulling him away and he goes lock me up lock me up lock me up i don't need to be up there up where i don't know where up is but lock him up so the judge then told him to quote stand up here and listen to this oh up there by the i don't want to be up there by the bench by the judge yeah because they're like holding him

while the judge tells him shit because he has to hear it so this is fucking amazing he says stand up here and listen to this the guy jerks himself away from the fucking sheriffs and shouts, Kill me, motherfuckers! What a day. While he's tackled by sheriff's deputies. That's a lot, man. These are the days that you want cameras in every courtroom. Yeah, every single one. This is awesome.

Somewhere Keithards just dropped his head in his hand i went oh come on man don't wear my shirt to do that i had a zeppelin shirt on or something really fucking don henley solo shirt anything yeah fuck the eagles anything but this so um then the lawyer at the end of this, his attorney, said that his client is, quote, probably crazy and legally incompetent. Just off the bat. Probably. Just a quick read. I'm no medical expert, but on a quick read, he just freed himself from sheriff's deputies while screaming, kill me, motherfucker, at the judge.

That's probably. We could certainly lean on he's got some mental issues at least we got we should probably get him checked over what do you say likely not all together he's he's probably got some something underlying lingering maybe put him up on the lift and poke around a little bit how's that about it so give him one of those uh 51 point inspections that's wild so uh the district attorney said that the outburst was not surprising later on he said quote he's been yelling and screaming over in jail for some time now he does it at home he's gonna do it here unreal so hatch has his own story though yeah that's you know hatch has his own version of events that he gives he said yes okay fine i carried a sawed-off double-barreled shotgun

into the house yeah you got me there gee call me a terrible guy you know who doesn't do that he said but it was unloaded and didn't have i didn't even have any shells on me it was just a shotgun it was totally unloaded it was a prop that's not't even have any shells on me. It was just a shotgun. It was totally unloaded. It was a prop. That's not the answer. That's not helping. He also said that while he really tried to set himself apart from Ake here, he said while Ake was ransacking the house, dragging the daughter from room to room,

ripping her clothes off and tearing out phone wires, he said he was talking to the mom. He was talking to Marilyn. Quote, we was talking to the mom he was talking to marilyn quote we was quote we was talking about religion yeah so that's good um she said she was a preacher or something like that she said don't kill us and i said i'm not gonna kill you yeah i'm not gonna do it but i mean i can't yeah i can't speak for that guy for that guy um hatch said he never threatened to shoot anyone and he says he did not sexually molest that girl but ache did meanwhile they all said you both did motherfucker including her asshole so what do you think she fucking

wasn't gonna lie about this she's gonna cover for me like Like, what are you, fucking moron? She said that both men did. And he said he was just sitting outside. When the shootings happened, he was sitting outside listening to the car radio. He didn't even, he was just, he was, I fought the law and the law won. He's just tapping on the fucking steering wheel. Robbing people with a six gun. I fought the law and the law Wanted

Oh small baby I feel so bad I guess my race is run Bang bang bang Oh no what was that Is that in the song I know in the song there's a pup pup pup but it usually sounds like a snare drum that was a that sounded like a 357 about 30 feet yonder that's a

different uh it's a different sound here oh my god thankfully that song wasn't about rape so that's good. No, it was not. So they end up, they're doing all of this shit. And he said that he didn't know anything about anything until Ake told him 30 minutes after they pulled away. He told him what happened. They drove for a half hour before he said anything. You didn't hear a 357 go off. You don't say, hey, dog, say. At least five miles down the road so you're gonna tell me what the fuck just happened there was a lot of shots man i heard shots you have blood all over

you there's brain matter on you what's what up with that uh no maybe uh maybe an explanation where are we going dog then he says he was afraid to split up with Ake after the shootings because, quote, I was afraid I'd get shot, too. No, no, no, no, no, motherfucker. No. You have already committed home invasions with this person. What the fuck are you talking about? You're in this asshole. You both rape together.

Yeah, this is pretty goddamn gross. You both rape kids together. He said that he did attempt to leave A at one point in battle mountain nevada about four days before they were arrested but he said ache stabbed him with a pocket knife when he tried to leave so he's army huh yeah he lifted up his shirt tail to show the judge a very small scar which he said that was where he stabbed me so yeah um he said that a few days later there, Jesus Christ, he said they said, did you ever leave Glen Ake? And he said, no. They said, why not?

I was scared. What were you scared of? I was afraid I'd get killed. Killed it, too. You know, he said killed it. I just know he's that kind of guy. We was talking about religion. He said all that shit.

Now, Ake has this other Ake has a court hearing. Now, he this is after he he's been unable to discuss key aspects of the murder is what the lawyer says, because the guy is in a mental hospital and he's not being cooperative. This is what his lawyer says. He says that it's a tremendous disadvantage for him in preparing for a trial because he said every time i get with my client quote he growls at me and he laughs at me and he cuts up an open court he growls at me don't growl at your defense attorney the hell is wrong with you this poor public defender hard for the for the insanity shit imagine you're this public defender you went to law school your parents were like oh he's gonna be a lawyer they told all their friends and everybody's so proud

of you you went to law school you passed the bar you have all the student loan debt you're doing all this shit you put on your fucking 120 men's warehouse suit that you could patch enough money together so you look decent in court you're doing all this shit three for three hundred dollars yeah and then you get there and your client's like, and you're like, what the? I'm barely getting paid for this. Fuck you. Morning, Mr. Ake. How are you?

You son of a bitch. I killed a three-legged dog and took over. His soul joined me. I had to drink vanilla coffee this morning. Stop this. This is ridiculous. So he growls at me, laughs at me, and then cuts up an open court. I don't need to be laughed at by my murder suspect client either.

So during one of his court hearings, his behavior is so bizarre, that's how he ended up in the mental hospital. The judge ordered him to be examined by a psychiatrist. Yeah. Okay. czar that's how he ended up in the mental hospital the judge ordered him to be examined by a psychiatrist yeah okay so the examining psychiatrist reported and i quote at times ache appears to be frankly delusional he claims to be the quote sword of vengeance of the lord and that he will sit at the left hand of god in heaven well that's a he's the sword of vengeance of the Lord. Wow. He's the left-hand man. He's the left-hand man. Well, I mean, Jesus is at the right hand.

I mean, what are you talking about here? Obviously. I mean, come on. I'm not dumb. I'm not a fucking idiot. I know who's at the right. I'm not going to displace the guy's son. You know what I mean?

I'm going to be the left-hand man. And they call that, it's usually the sword of vengeance is what he, yeah. Whoever's at the left, that's your sword of vengeance. The right side is clearly the loving, caring Jesus. That's the loving side. I am the other side. You get over to the left side, sword of vengeance, blue angel. You know how it works.

I don't need to fucking tell you who this is. I take care of the things. You just know what I'm talking about. Get the fuck out of here. You know what I mean? I don't think I got to go into specifics. Yeah. So the sword of vengeance of the Lord and that he will sit at the left hand of

god in heaven duh okay he diagnosed ache as a probable paranoid schizophrenic and recommended a prolonged psychiatric evaluation to determine whether how bad shit he is basically so he is committed to a state mental hospital to be examined uh with respect to his, quote, present sanity and to competency for trial. So the court held a competency hearing again, and the psychiatrist testified, quote, ache is a psychotic. That's his opening. That's his headline. He's good at headlines. Ache is a psychotic. I'm listening. His psychiatric diagnosis was that of paranoid schizophrenia, chronic with exacerbation, that is, with current upset. And and that, in addition, he is dangerous because of the severity of his mental illness and because of the intensities of his rage, poor control, his delusions he requires maximum security facility with i believe the state psychiatric hospital system so that's what they're saying here the uh specific to a specific question they said uh they asked whether him consuming drugs or alcohol would make this worse basically uh he

said that um it couldn't help basically yeah i Yeah. I mean, don't hurt. That's a very scientific opinion. That's a forensic opinion right there. Don't hurt. So the court found him to be a mentally ill person in need of care and treatment and incompetent to currently stand trial and ordered to be committed to the state mental hospital

until he is fit to stand trial. Sure. So six weeks later, a short, scant six weeks later, the chief forensic psychiatrist informed the court that Ake had become competent. Oh, way to heal, sir. I know we're making a lot of commercials today, but I'm telling you, the state psychiatric hospital, psychotic to competent in six weeks.

No problem. We can do it. For money back. Bring him in. Wow wow that's quick the quick turnaround the flip-flop right there schizophrenic with aggravators to sane he's good he's too good now six weeks In six weeks. To good now. Six weeks.

Okay, sure. So at the time, though, why he is fit to stand trial, as long as he continues to be given his medication, his antipsychotic drug Thorazine. Oh, shit. They're going hard. He is receiving thrice daily injections of 200 milligrams of thorazine he's just drooling you could fucking make an elephant calm you could make a rampaging you could make curious george in the middle of ripping the yellow fucking guy's face off you give him fucking 200 milligrams of thorazine he'll calm calm the fuck down. And then hit him again. And one more time for good measure.

And one more time. His breakfast, lunch, and dinner is 200 milligrams of Thorazine. That's a lot of Thorazine, man. That's a lot of drug. That's calming somebody the fuck down. You can calm anybody down. Because you can calm an angry zoo animal down with that kind of fucking Jesus Christ almighty yeah they probably wheeled him in like Hannibal Lecter and just stood him there he's just like huh do you know where you are not really like that's so crazy on your shoes

uh-huh no I can't do anything about it he He just goes, uh-huh. I know. I know. I do it all day. That happens a lot. There's toothpaste all over me. It's just awesome. You should see me brush my teeth. That's a mess.

So they said if he continues to receive that dosage, his condition would remain stable. Well, yeah. He's stable as fuck. his condition would remain stable. Well, yeah. He's stable as fuck. Any living creature, you give them a shitload of Thorazine three times a day, you're going to be considered very stable.

It's not better. That's just drunk. Handcuff's not required. He is docile as shit. Oh, yeah. He's over there petting a canary that flew onto his finger. He doesn't care. So, yeah, it was only in that condition, sedated three large doses of Thorazine three times a day.

So, wow. The insanity statute here, because he's going to go for the insanity defense, obviously. He loves that play. I mean, he's the left hand of the Lord, the sword of vengeance, the blue angel. It's a lot. It's got a lot of nicknames going on, too. So it says that all persons are capable. This is Oklahoma statute. All persons are capable of committing crimes except those belonging to the following classes.

Lunatics. Lunatics. This is their legal language at the time. 1981 statute. So there you go. That's the statute they're working against here. They said that every Arizona, Oklahoma has held that there is an initial presumption of sanity in every case. And it says, quote, which remains until the defendant raises by sufficient evidence a reasonable doubt to his sanity at the time of the crime.

If the issue is so raised, the burden of proving the defendant's sanity beyond a reasonable doubt falls upon the state. The state don't have to. You don't have to prove you're insane. They have to prove you're sane. That's what that law sane that's what that law says okay that makes sense and that makes fairly easy uh yeah to prove somebody knows something's wrong it's based upon actions after or before like prove that they know what the fuck they're doing is wrong running to steal money right yeah if you did it to steal money then ran pretty obvious you. Yeah. If you did it to steal money then ran, pretty obvious you knew it was up. You know that you just did something wrong.

If you murder people because they can't identify you afterwards, that's because you know it's wrong. If you killed everybody, left the front door wide open, and were just sitting out on the stoop fucking playing with the entrails of your victims when the cops rolled up, and then you just waved at them with like half an intestine hanging off your middle finger then we'd go he might not understand what's going on here you know what i mean chunks of intestine on your finger fingers like bugles yeah you're waving them around you're like that's not good and you and you hello him like Spanky from fucking... At that point, I'm going to go, you know what? Let's take a look at this guy.

This guy might be a problem. He might be a problem. So now Ake, though, the trial is going to be delayed while he's got all this. It took six weeks for them to figure out that he was competent. So in the meantime, Hatch is going to be tried as well. Hatch chooses to go for a bench trial as opposed to a jury trial because, well, this is the type of case where the details are so fucking horrifying that if you sit 12 regular people down there and you tell them this shit, this is 1979. We haven't sat here in front of Netflix and 8 million true crime documentaries and all this shit. You don't know shit in 1979.

This, in rural Oklahoma, this is going to blow their fucking hair back, dude. They're going to be like, somebody's going to jump out of the jury box and try to strangle this guy when they hear about what he's doing to 12-year-olds and all this shit. Right, but when a judge hears that, and he has an 11-year-old daughter, you know what I mean? He's going to certainly make sure this guy can't do this again. judge hears that and he has an 11 year old daughter you know what i mean he's gonna certainly make sure this guy can't do this again but you're i think a lawyer's gonna tell you a judge is less likely to sentence with emotion than a jury is a judge is has a judge has heard it all before it's like when a homicide when a homicide detective comes upon a horrible scene they don't go oh my god oh oh it's so horrible they just come in they go all right there's that and

there's that and there's that whereas if you took me and brought me in there i'd be like oh my god oh my god look where his head is oh my god and they'd get to take me out of there i don't know how these guys i don't know how gill and salerno did that it didn't do that at every fucking scene i don't know how you become a murder cop and not behave that way every single day and that's why they're hoping that the judge is not going to have that reaction whereas the people in the jury would the judge will go yeah yeah i've heard that before yeah i've heard of that one before so that's his only hope at this point because it's terrible there's two live witnesses telling what the horrible details of what they fucking what you did to them it's disgusting so

and hatch can act like i talked to mom about religion i don't listen to the car radio you also raped a 12 year old you fucking scumbag so even if the rest of it's true i don't give a shit in the commission of a murder fuck you so um anyway he uh hatch during the trial he takes the stand as the final defense witness and denies any part in the slayings. I would never do that. I never knew that was going to happen. Said he had no shells for the sawed-off shotgun and never planned to do anything.

Anybody thought they were just robbing the place. Good God, it's all so terrible. So the judge deliberates for about an hour and 15 minutes. So the judge went back. He ate a sandwich. He took his robe off and stretched out for a while. Maybe took a nap on the couch. Came out an hour

and 15 minutes later. And he finds him, do I need to even tell you, guilty of murder. Regardless of who pulled the trigger, because he was a participant in an armed robbery in which the slayings occurred. So even if fucking if they

shot his partner he would be charged with murder yeah that's how that well what's the the liquor store thing at the disclaimer in a lot of our earlier shows that's what it is whoever's involved no matter what happens you're charged with murder the death comes if you're in trouble yeah if you've got this this ball rolling this robbery ball rolling murders any killings are on you so um yeah he brings in four guilty verdicts which are um guilty of murder and also the robbery and attempted murder and all that kind of shit so the sentencing comes up here and it's not a jury it's a judge because that's what he's at what he's asked for. Judge says he's hoping for leniency. He can get the death penalty.

It's on the table. Lethal injection or life. Now, this isn't life without parole. It is life as a 45-year sentence. And he can stack those because of his, obviously, multiple crimes. He finds you, sir, may fuck off. Death penalty for you. Holy shit.

Yeah. He said he didn't give a shit who pulled the trigger. Doesn't fucking matter. You were in the middle of an armed robbery. Not the way you saw that going, did you? I think that was either way. Not the outcome you wanted, was it, sir? These details are so horrific, bro.

You can't know. There's no way to soften that you could sit anybody down we are not death penalty enthusiasts we're not we might sound like it on this show because we're telling you the most horrible murders there are and going jesus i'd sure like to kill that guy but we're not saying it for we've we've explained it a million times how we feel about it we're very torn on the whole thing some people like this clearly we don't need them uh but at the same time obviously yeah people get found innocent all the time and dna and all that but when you have two live witnesses that watched what he did and they admitted it and it's all there and it's obvious and he has their shit a month later in his pocket

it's so there's no doubt yeah there's no doubt. And what he did is fucking horrible. So the brother of Reverend of the Reverend Douglas said that he hopes that they both are given the death penalty. And he said the verdict that was reached today was all good. I was all good and done. But he hopes that the same happens to ache. So ache. His trial comes up. Oh, boy. He might be the worst of the two right he's oh by far

oh god yeah he's the one driving all this absolutely he's the one that's like let's put some stank on it you know what i mean let's not just rob a fucking let's not just rob a gas station and take what's in the drawer boy yeah so he the newspaper by the way describes him coming into court i they keep describing him the same way, and it's hilarious. Quote, the portly ache, his hair trimmed to a buzz cut. They call him portly in like every newspaper article. He's a fat guy with a buzz cut? With a buzz cut.

Oh, yeah, he'll always have a buzz cut from now on. Was escorted into the courtroom here under heavy guard because he could freak out at any moment. The jury is seven women and five men, too. So that's don't think good for him at all no uh he wants an insanity defense here at a pre-trial conference his attorney informed the court that his client would raise the insanity defense to enable him to prepare and present such a case adequately the attorney said a psychiatrist would have to examine Ake with respect to his mental condition at the time of the offense, not just is he sane now to stand trial. So they said during his time, no inquiry was made in the three-month stay at the hospital as to his sanity at the time of the offense. They were just worried about get him sane for trial because

that's what they were told to do. So they said as an indigent, because this is a public defender, Right. So they said as an indigent, because this is a public defender, A cannot afford to pay for a psychiatrist. So the council asked the court to either arrange to have a psychiatrist perform the examination or provide funds to allow the defense to arrange one. The trial judge said no. Suck it. He said that the federal constitution requires that an indigent defendant receive the assistance of a psychiatrist when that assistance is necessary to the defense. But he said they said that he's fine to assist you in defense now. So no.

So he denied the motion for a psychiatric evaluation at the state's expense. So they do not give him a psychiatric evaluation as to his sanity at the time of the killings. They won't do it. So keep that in mind. The only defense witness later on that he has here, he has a bunch, but one was some shit they keep quoting from Dr. Hans von Braustisch. Wow. He's an Oklahoma City psychiatrist. He said that he diagnosed Ake as a paranoid schizophrenic who'd been hearing voices since 1973.

Okay, that's a long time. That's a long time. It's a lot of voices. He said that, yeah, he said that the voices, he claimed to this psychiatrist, Ake did, that he went to this house, the Douglas house, in an attempt to find the source of the voices and make them stop. Oh, they're in there. They're in there, obviously. They're in that house.

I stop every house. I steal money. I'm like, no voices? Well, then give me your money. If you had voices here, I wouldn't take your money. He said that, yeah, Mr. Ake said he left the Douglas home after firing six shots later on. He said, quote, I thought I hurt them just bad enough. All I wanted to do was hurt them bad enough for us to get out of the state.

That's what he had also said at one point. So there's also weird stuff in this trial. At one point, there's some scripture talked about where the prosecutor quotes a verse of scripture. He says, He that smiteth a man so that he die shall surely be put to death. He gives like the eye for an eye argument. As he says it, as the death part comes out of his mouth, Ake stands up and shouts, Exodus 21-12,

which is correct, by the way. He called it. He called it out. Like, let's do more. What do you got? Sing some Sabbath, man. You must answer a formal question, Ake. by the way he called it he called it out like let's do more what do you got sing some sabbath man question sing some sabbath i'll get in one line i swear um during the trial he wears the same black t-shirt and blue jeans every day that's crazy too they don't they don't he doesn't even have a fucking cheap suit they put him in. Who is he, Ernest?

He goes in dirty jeans and T-shirt the same one every day, which we've now figured out you can't really do that in a trial unless you insist on it. The court is going to try to make you dress half decent so the jury sees you in a better light and doesn't, whatever. So they bring in his defense's insanity, so they bring in psychiatrists around, the ones that examined him to begin with. He called the defense calls to the stand and questions each of the psychiatrists. But none of them testified about his mental state at the time of the offense because none of them had fucking they don't have that information.

So the prosecution in turn asked the psychiatrist whether he had performed or seen the results of any examination diagnosing Ake's mental state at the time of the offense, and they all said no. So it's fucking no expert for that. The jurors were then instructed that Ake could not be found guilty by reason of insanity if he did not have the ability to distinguish right and wrong at the time of the offense. And they were told that Ake was to be presumed sane at the time of the crime unless he presented evidence sufficient to raise reasonable doubt about his sanity, which he can't do because he can't get doctors. So if he raised such a doubt in their minds, the jurors were told,

the burden of proof shifted to the state to prove sanity beyond a reasonable doubt. So, yeah, they bring in, you know, everything they can here. Verdict comes in, and the jury deliberates for about two hours. I don't know what took them so long. They couldn't choose a pen color to fill it out in, maybe. They find him guilty of murder and also two counts of shooting with intent to kill the two children as well. Yeah, obviously. So he's got that going on.

That's an exciting way of saying attempted murder. Attempted murder. Attempted shooting to kill. So shooting with intent to kill. The sentencing, psychiatrists testify at the trial that he was mentally ill when they evaluated him but didn't know whether he was capable of telling right from wrong when the shootings happened. A state psychiatrist did say that he thought he was literally the sword of vengeance and that he stood on the left side of God and that Jesus is the truth and that he is vengeance. That's just what it is.

Oh, shit. Jesus is the truth on the right side. It's kind of like the devil and the angel on your shoulder in a cartoon. It's the same type of thing you got. Jesus and you got the sword of vengeance, old Ake over here. You know how it goes. So another psychiatrist said without the Thorazine, he considers Ake a very dangerous man. Yeah, I would say so.

He said that because of his mental condition, now he's a zombie about his, yes the they said also this is his lawyer makes lawyer what is really an issue and is trying to be camouflaged is whether or not this man right here knew what he was doing yeah obviously um he said that tells the jurors that he should be freed of the charges so he can undergo more mental treatment. Jesus Christ, this is crazy. So the jurors began deciding on the death penalty issue, and he even talked about the death penalty. He said the death penalty's been given before, but it didn't stop this. He was trying to, he's digging in.

The panel, the jury, and the jury's going to give recommendations, judge gives a sentence. They recommend 500-year sentences for each attempted murder conviction. 500 years on each. Okay. And then they spent about 40 minutes in the second phase choosing between death penalty or life imprisonment for the actual murders here.

The district attorney said the evidence is clear and concise. He knew what he was doing. Ake terrorized that family, committed other acts in that house, then shot the family and left them to die. Why isn't rape on there, by the way? Yeah, where is that? Of a child. Child rape. Let's put that on there.

I get that that's a lesser charge than murder, but still, Jesus Christ. So now while the jury is out deciding whether to kill him or not,'s hanging out in the courtroom uh here he says quote he said it was a good day and he wanted to die he said quote i'm in a good mood today and he has a he smiles wide and they said he has no teeth between his two canines nothing in the front nothing in the front he said quote i want the death penalty i want to die i've done everything in life there is to do oh boy have you you've worked at a carnival and oil rig raped and murdered that's all you've done i'm sorry it's not a lot he's like i drove through the west that's beautiful country boy i think i've seen it all i've seen the ocean i've seen the mountains i've

seen paris texas oh it's beautiful this time of year, bro. I'll tell you what. I went to Athens, Texas as well. I went to Rome, Georgia. That was beautiful. Just all the major cities of the world. So he said, yeah, I want the death penalty. I want to die.

I've done everything in life there is to do. Quote, I'm ready to leave. I've got 1,000 years already, and two death sentences will top it right off so he doesn't give a fuck despite wanting to die he says he intends some to spend some time in the state prison system obviously he's gonna take a while to kill him and he said there he would quote make some music he said quote yeah i think i'll play some music on their heads down there. And then he laughed maniacally. Play some music on their heads. On their heads.

I don't know what that means. He then joked with sheriff deputies, and he was talking about going to other states. He was talking about having drunken soft softball games in idaho with his oil rig buddy workers he was then um he was taught said that he thought about making obscene hand gestures to the television camera he said he thought about that and he also thought about making an outburst in court similar to those he'd made earlier and this two things kept him from it one he said quote i thought about jumping up and hollering but i but i remember what the sheriff told me he told me not to and i believe

him also i'm on shit loads of thorazine and i can think about those things but my body really doesn't want to respond to it i could i could flip people off but who wants to raise their hand? No shit. Also, the jerk-off motion takes a lot of energy. It's like, fuck you. I made, like, on my mouth, like, with my, I made a V and made my mouth go. Eat pussy, the eat pussy look. Yeah, you know, made, like, this dick sucking, thonging the side of my cheek there, sucking dick, eating pussy.

I did the jerk-off motion. Those are all the dirty hand gestures i could really think of then i made like a circle and i poked it with my other finger and i was like fuck it i'm out of ideas and then i just waved and said hi mom pick my nose pick my nose make two okay signs and put my hands upside down over my eyes you know go we he said that uh he had a relaxed conversation in his in the little room they keep them in while awaiting the verdict and then suddenly uh there was a person standing in the doorway and he flipped around and said what are you doing and the response was that he was uh it was a newspaper reporter so the guy so ache said hey

this is a private conversation are you going to quote me in the paper shut the door and then he stared at him until somebody shut the door on him so um so the sheriff at that point said that the ache usually acts this way around the deputies he's a jokester he's that kind of guy he says quote he's not insane that's what i've been saying all along you don't mean no harm he's that kind of guy. He says, quote, he's not insane. That's what I've been saying all along. You don't mean no harm. He's certainly an asshole. That's a positive. Oh, he's an enormous piece of shit.

Huge piece of shit. So the judge comes back out and the jury, well, the jury does it, but the judge is going to give it to him. And he says, you, sir, may fuck off. Death penalty for you, too. Yahtzee. And a thousand years. Oh, take it hard. Taking it hard. you, too. Yahtzee. And a thousand years. Oh, take it hard. Taking it hard. Oh, boy.

So Hatch appeals this quick. Very quickly, we'll run through this stuff here. Hatch appeals it and says his lawyer, or he said, Hatch said, I feel like the state didn't show enough evidence of my guilt. Didn't show enough evidence of my guilt. I mean, there's dead people. You were there. You helped. That's enough.

Yeah. He's been denied a bunch of requests for a new trial, and you can keep on keeping on, shitbag. Death penalty still for him. Don't worry. You're all set. 1985, Aik's appeal, though, goes pretty far up the ladder here and gets all the way to the Supreme Court.

pretty far up the ladder here and gets all the way to the supreme court um the court lower courts reject his argument of he should have been provided a psychiatrist saying that quote we have held new held at numerous times that the unique nature of capital case is not withstanding the state does not have the responsibility of providing such services to indigents charged with capital murder. They found no error in the claims. That's ridiculous, honestly. That's ridiculous. You can't say, we can hire as many psychiatrists as we want, but you can't hire one to fucking ... That's crazy.

You can't do that. If you want a psychiatrist, don't kill people. Yeah. Otherwise, we're not going to give you one. Well, a lot of states have made laws, and this is just in the last 15 years, 20 years that would in a murder trial or a capital case, whatever the prosecution spends, that defense is allowed to spend that from the state to dollar for dollar. That's how it works. Whereas some of these States would have unlimited and we're talking especially Texas, Oklahoma, they really stack the deck, unlimited resources for the state.

You can have an overworked public defender and nothing else that's it but the other point is like if you want to kill people if you want that law yeah yeah if you want that as a as a as a punishment and you're going to go forward with that you better make damn sure positive that you've given that person every opportunity to battle you as much as you're going to battle them yeah there's been a lot how many cases in texas of you know this lawyer was sleeping during the trial this was going on that was going on the fucking they didn't have this it's crazy so anyway more appeals come out here um from this they uh the uh from the to the state that oklahoma asserts that to

provide him with psychiatric psychiatric assistance would result in a staggering burden for the state. Staggering burden, he said. Many states, as well as the federal government, currently make psychiatric assistance available to indigent defendants. And they have not found the financial burden so great as to preclude this assistance. These are the arguments back and forth going on here. arguments back and forth going on here. So they said that we therefore conclude the governmental interest in denying

the assistance of a psychiatric is not substantial in light of the compelling interest of both the states. So they say, fuck you, the state. So then they go up, and they end up in the Supreme Court. And they say that the court has long recognized that when a state brings its judicial power to bear on an

indigent defendant in a criminal proceeding, it must take steps to assure that the defendant has a fair opportunity to present his case. This principle, grounded in significant part in the 14th Amendment, due process guarantee of fundamental fairness. So they have a little bit of a different take on it. And the Supreme Court rules eight to one, eight to one. Rehnquist is the only holdout here that the state of Oklahoma should have furnished a psychiatric psychiatrist for ache who had no funds to help him with that.

Rehnquist is the only one who disagreed, saying that psychiatric a psychiatrist would, quote, assist in evaluation, preparation, and presentation of the defense. A psychiatrist is not an attorney. Okay. Yeah, but that's like saying you have to give a chef food to make. Yeah. The attorney's the chef. You can't go, well, we gave you a chef. He should have been able to put dinner on the table.

But you didn't give me any food with the chef. That's a chef. He should know how to make something.'s not how that's not how that works that's crazy so out of your ass yeah renquist was a douchebag anyway so good um he said that uh they said his sole defense was insanity what the fuck why why not they said second his behavior at his arraignment just four months after the offense was so bizarre that it prompted the trial judge to have him thrown in an institution for three months and evaluated. Where they drugged him heavily for six weeks. That's the other thing.

Third, a state psychiatrist shortly thereafter found Ake to be incompetent to stand trial and suggest that he be committed. incompetent to stand trial and suggest that he be committed fourth when he was found to be competent six weeks later it was only on the condition that he'd be sedated with large doses of thorazine three times a day there you go and the psychiatrist who examined ache for competency described to the trial court the severity of his mental illness less than six months after the offense in question and suggested his mental illness might have begun years earlier so why would they think he's better now you can't put that much drugs into somebody and then sit them down uh for a trial and then tell them they're gonna kill them that's like that's like that's like what serial killers do they drug people and kill them you can't make that person understand what they did it's no yeah you're gonna understand it it's fucking crazy so this ruling uh affects other states as well, saying that you have to do that because it's a Supreme Court ruling.

It affects eight other states that do not guarantee poor defendants independent psychiatric help under some conditions. Georgia, Maryland, Missouri, New Jersey, North Dakota, Vermont, Wisconsin. So all over the map. It's a weird law that fell in between the cracks in certain states. You know what I mean? the map just it's a weird law that fell in between the cracks in certain states you know what i mean um the psychiatrist uh quote will conduct um oh yeah the court held that when sanity at the time of the offense becomes an issue the state must assure the defendant access to a competent psychiatrist the psychiatrist will conduct an appropriate examination and assistant evaluation

preparation and presentation to our of the defense so So the reaction to this was, because this is in 1985 this happens, five years later, Brooks is still here. Oh, I'm sorry. This is Leslie talking. Leslie says, my parents died five years ago. Why is he allowed to walk around? That's how I feel about it. She, at that point, was a student at Oklahoma State University.

She said, my brother Brooks and I are furious about it. It's ridiculous for it to be dragged on for over five years. Brooks and I want to fight to make him get the death sentence. It's just terrible that we have to go through this trial again. So he gets a new trial out of this. Good for her. That's what the Supreme. Yeah.

Being a hero and doing it. Brooks, who was going to Baylor University, said, I'm not happy with it at all, but I understand it and I know that's the way it is. And I do want to do it right. We're willing to continue to see it through. He said to go through it all and five and a half years later be told that you have to go back to square one on this deal is an outrage. Yeah. So his new trial, none of the craziness going on. He's just gives up.

I don't know if he's tired or what, but 10-day retrial. The only thing he did, he made several attempts to speak to the judge privately, which is very weird. So the judge told the reporters that he would invite Ake to speak in his piece, you know, speak, come into chambers and talk to me. But then once they did ache elected to remain silent after he conferred with his defense attorney so he didn't even do anything so never mind yeah so they find him guilty of murder obviously yeah it's hard to argue that jesus christ very hard and he doesn't even really do the crazy card this time or anything like that just a straight trial and the judge says i heard all the evidence in this case, and I'm going to send Glenn Burton Ake to the maximum possible.

He said, it's too bad I can't give you life without parole because the death sentence is off the table here because of the way it all went down. So he announced that he is making the life sentences in the deaths of the Douglases consecutive. So that's 90 years right there, consecutive. And sentences for the woundings of the children, 200 years each. And they run consecutive to all the others. So he gave him 490 years. 490 years in jail. That's going to be tough to serve.

Yeah. Under Oklahoma law, 45 years in prison is considered a life sentence. The parole board is required to review life sentences after the convict has served 15 years or a third of the 45-year standard. All because Oklahoma fucked up. Yeah, because they fucked up. They had to spend all this money because they didn't want to pay one psychiatrist for two days' work.

So they had to pay for retrials, fucking Supreme Court. But you know what it takes for the legal team, for these district attorneys, to prepare a Supreme Court brief? You know how many fucking man hours your tax dollars are paying for for that? That's what I mean.

So he said that quote in effect you have been sentenced mr ache to four life sentences consecutive life sentences i wish i could say that you would be in prison for the rest of your life but in oklahoma that doesn't mean much i hope that these sentences mean that you never in your life get out of the state penitentiary yes um so So that's how that goes. He was convicted again. But Brooks Douglas is very he says, quote, I was walking out one door of the courtroom and they brought him right out in front of me.

There was a sheriff's deputy standing right next to me and his gun was right by my hand as I stood there and thought about reaching for that gun. He said, I know i could have i remember stopping myself and thinking is it worth it well i think he gets off i think he gets off man yeah yeah you know i think and if he doesn't if he doesn't he certainly serves the easiest time ever i would hope so uh now it's at this point where texas had dropped the charges of murdering Yerby Land and the other and Konecker, our Konecker, Konecker, they just missed those charges because they got they had both been sentenced to death in another state.

So they said, fuck it. But now that he's not doesn't have the death penalty, the district attorney in Hardin County said, I might want to reopen those fucking cases and get him on a death penalty down here. Yeah. He said that I might want to reopen those fucking cases and get him on a death penalty down here. Yeah, he said that. Why not? So all of Hatch's appeals are pretty lame, if I'm being honest with you. He does end up getting the fuck.

OK, I'll go through it real quick because it's a weird thing. While on appeal, U.S. Supreme Court ruled on a Florida case that the U.S. Constitution does not permit the imposition of the death penalty on one who aids and abets in a felony in the course of which a murder is committed, but does not kill themselves. In other words, not Trigger Man. In April 83, Oklahoma Court of Criminal Appeals vacated Hatch's two death sentences and sent the case back to the district attorney for resentencing. death sentences and sent the case back to the district attorney for three sentencing. The justices told the court to give greater attention to the evidence concerning hatches, individual participation and his intent in the event that culminated the murders.

Judge Floyd Martin was the guy who tried hatch originally. By the time it was sent back, that judge had died and they had a new district judge cause it's fucking years later. Um, so, uh, judge Chapman, the new judge, was of the opinion

that he could not do anything other than sentence hatch to life. Based on this fact, based on the fact that the Oklahoma law said that when an error occurs at sentencing, the best way the appellate court would deal with it would be to change the sentence to life because Oklahoma law did not provide for resentencing. Okay, so it gets confusing, but they end up filing a writ in the criminal court of appeals seeking the court order to consider death as one of the sentencing options. So in 1984, a resentencing hearing is held, and it was demonstrated that Hatch's intent at the time of the crimes were committed. And at the end of the hearing, they once again imposed two death sentences on him. Get back in there, motherfucker.

The court agreed that the new sentences were constitutional and were supported by evidence and the appeals court then confirms his death sentences. In January 87, he challenges again, but they tell him, keep on keeping on, dickhole. Now, in the 1990s, Brooks Douglas becomes a state senator. Oh, really?

He served three consecutive terms from 1990 to 2002. He served in the military, and he concentrates on legislation that are like victims that victims you know that sort of uh victims rights bills um he uh he's also a lawyer as well got his law degree and he's the recipient of the ronald reagan award for innovations in public policy given by the u.s department of justice in 2011 and the lisa hullinger memorial

award which is the national parents of murdered children give that out jesus that's a fucking that's the m npmc jesus that is depressing it's a depressing group and the shining star award from the prison fellowship in 2013 for uh whatever because he does work in prisons, too. So the Supreme Court, it's going toward Hatch's execution time. The Supreme Court rejects his last three appeals that day. The denials come after the 10th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Denver and the Oklahoma Court of Criminal Appeals all reject pleas to block his execution. They said that his lawyer then said mr hatch isn't pursuing any other action he's taking it um brooks by the way put up some legislation that uh is put into place so the victim's families can watch executions if they want to

okay so before that it was only like certain witnesses or whatever but they want he wanted he tried to make it so there's there's a right for the victim's family to be there in Oklahoma. If they want it, yeah. If they want it. Yeah, they don't force them to do it. Look at him. Look at him. Hold your goddamn eyes open.

Sit your ass in that chair and watch. He killed your sister. He killed your daughter. You wanted it. This is what you wanted. You sat in court. You wanted this. It's like a kid that complained

they wanted to go to mcdonald's and now we all have to eat mcdonald's and he doesn't want it you fucking asked for this i'm eating a big mac because of you you fucking asshole we're murdering somebody watch yeah good god august 9th 1996 um he uh, Brooks was going back and forth here. Uh, he was in Texas. He was living and then he ended up in Oklahoma. And, uh, he said that basically they want, he wanted to see him executed. He saw it was happening soon. Hours before the scheduled execution, he had his family there hatched it.

He, uh, his uncle Max said, quote, it's terrible. If he didn't do the killing, why should he be killed? He said he just sat in the car while the other guy shot him. He was there, but he didn't do it. Why don't they kill the guy that did it? I mean, if that's logic. He also said he sent a letter to the clemency board. He said he wants life when he's a good model prisoner.

Yeah, interesting. So the other family, though, the Dougouglases are pretty happy about it they said the degree of guilt is the same it's just the fact that the other guy should be let in right beside him he said my family was shot in the back with their hands tied behind them and drowning in their blood my father crawled around on the floor cleaning that up my mother went to her grave broken-hearted over this so he deserves at least this give me the opportunity i'll be the one to execute him that's what one of the family members said oh that's fine so um uh yeah execution day comes around he has a written statement okay patch does

he doesn't he says this is my last statement well we know that whether you're going to do it or not yeah it's got to be because you'll be dead i address these words to all my friends and brothers i've come up i've come to know over the years i can tell you to stand up strong and never give up your faith this is to other death row inmates by the way not to like the world at large literally that's what he says don't be silent and unaware of the things around you get involved in fighting for your rights and the wrongs that have been brought upon you. Don't let them strip you of your dignity and humanity, for they will try.

Be stronger than those who sit in judgment and prey upon you, for they are weak with lies and deception. They'll do anything to deceive the truth and what is right. They will try to use you and profit from you for their own gains. They're evil and barbaric and politicians, which with much respect and thanks,

be strong, my friends and brothers. And he signed it Shaggy, which is his prison nickname. Wasn't me. He tried that. They were like, fuck, that didn't work either. Last meal, Jimmy. Final meal.

Oh, yes. What's he having? You've heard all about him. What do you think hatches? What's this guy's final meal? Is it an onion burger, James? It's not an onion burger. Thank fuck.

Hoping for the callback. He ate a last meal of barbecue ribs, a baked potato, a chef's salad, and pecan pie with ice cream. It's a pretty decent meal, meal. It's a decent meal. I don't know if that's the last one. Well, you get the itis after the ribs and you want to take a nap, so maybe it's... Maybe you pass out before you get the drugs and then... Yeah, just stick it in them.

He's asked if he wants to make any final statements and he said no. That's when he's right at the death chamber. The other one was a written statement. The statement, quote, they will try to use you and profit for from you for your own gain was a reference to brooks douglas yeah obviously and uh he said that uh the brooks said quote he wasted his last words to take a pot shot at me you could tell he was just the same old scum that's what leslie says you can tell he was just the same old scum um so by the way douglas uh brooks douglas went and met with ache in jail what hatch refused to meet with him but is that right ache met with him separated by glass this is brooks quote i could hear his voice and i choked up. He scooted up close to the glass and said, I'm so, so sorry for what I did to your family. I wanted you to know that I'm in the wrong and you're in the right. And I want you to put it behind you. I told him that for the last 16 years, I've wanted nothing more than to see you dead. Later on, I asked him why. And he said, I've asked myself a thousand times. It was just senseless.

said i've asked myself a thousand times it was just senseless um they talked and he said ache started crying he said he was cuffed trying to hold the phone and to wipe tears it was really a strange part of me that felt closeness to him this same event that happened 16 years earlier had created this weird bond i looked at him and i just said i forgive you it was like poison draining out it was the most emotional and dramatic thing that's ever happened to me other than the shooting wow that's heavy that's fucking heavy that I could sit and listen to somebody say I'm in the wrong you're in the right well I know motherfucker you're in prison thanks what are you talking about he said and I told him I forgave him I felt a real closeness we've been trapped in a foxhole together all these years.

That two or three hours we spent together determined the rest of both of our lives. So that's what he said. He said, I still believe that he, if anyone, deserves the death penalty. Every few years for the rest of my life, I'll have to show up at his parole hearings. It'll never be over with him. Absolutely. He, by the way, May 13th, 2011. Oh, they kill him, by the way, the death penalty.

Yeah, of course. He's done. They kill Hatch. But Ake is still sitting around. May 13th, 2011, 55 years old, Glenn Burton Ake dies of a heart attack in jail. 55, dropped dead. Holy shit. He was portly in his 20s, Jimmy.

He's living a carny lifestyle. He's eating nothing but like fry bread and fucking powdered sugar things. He got 30 years in prison and that was it. Then dropped dead. So now Brooks wrote and they made a movie about this whole thing called Heaven's Rain. It's on IMDb and everything. It's got some people in it. It's got a bunch of people that look familiar familiar but you don't know their names um except for taryn manning who is in a lot of shit

she's in a bunch of shit taryn man she's in a lot of like chick things like how new is this movie 2000 was it 13 2011 2011 they made it so yeah that's uh there could be a better movie made with a better studio or something like yeah brooks wrote this though brooks wrote this yeah he wrote it and he's uh involved in the production of it mike vogel plays brooks i don't know who that is the redhead lady who plays uh some plays somebody looks familiar but uh taryn manning i know who she is she's the redhead lady say her name uh aaron chambers oh no exactly's the redhead lady? Say her name. Erin Chambers. Oh, no.

Exactly. That's why I didn't say her name. It's a one-star name. It is. It's got a 6.1 out of 10 on IMDb, so whatever. May 2020, Brooks Douglas dies from cancer at age 56. What the fuck, man? Yeah, he died young. That's really sad.

He died from cancer at 56. That's horrific. Yeah, but he lived a year longer than Ake died from cancer that's horrific yeah he lived a year longer than ache anyway so that's good yeah it's still really bad man poor leslie man she has just oh man um she has had a lot of uh it's been hard for her but she's gotten her she's gotten it all together um she said at first she said she spent her 13th birthday in the hospital. She remained there, and she said they didn't know what to do. They didn't know where they were going to live.

She said it was almost like nobody wanted us. Like, where do we go? Our family's dead. Now what? They were separated almost immediately, and the family home and its furnishings were auctioned off within a month to provide for them to give them funds. Um, yeah, one,

she and Leslie ended up with distant cousins in some Oklahoma town and he ended up living with his friends in Okarchi, like some friends family that he lived with cause he only had a year left to school. She left for college in 84. She got married and then she ended up getting divorced. She said she was just doing it for an anchor in her life, looking for something. She said her and her brother had beef over the years too

wow he said i was not prepared to be a father and a brother i didn't have enough for both of us so they said they had it hard he had some times he went on like a drinking binge thing where he was binge drinking for a long time and uh she says more than anything else i've thought about whether i could have gotten away to get help when i dream i dream i got out of that house i picture myself running across the field to a neighbor's house then i dream i made it to the highway but no one stopped what a fucking horrible thing to have replaying in your head all the time believable that is fucking horrible she says i'll give leslie the last word because i think other than the dead people no one could have it worse than her on this whole thing.

She said, it never gets any better, only worse. You're sitting there in your spouse's house for the holidays with all the family and your kids, and it's as lonely as it can be. You sit there at Christmas time and Thanksgiving, your birthday passes, and you just wish your kids could meet their grandparents. Un-fucking-believable. That is fucking Okarchie, Oklahoma. Worded and said out loud. Jesus, amazing, right? What an emotion.

Poor lady. That is fucked, man. That's a roller coaster, that episode. And that story, god damn it. So Leslie's the only one left out of the group there. Unbelievable. Leslie, man, heart goes out to that poor woman, man. Jesus Christ. That's fucking awful. goes out to that poor woman, man. Jesus Christ.

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