Small Town Murder - #282 - When Stupid People Kill - Raccoon, Kentucky

Episode Date: May 19, 2022

This week, in Raccoon, Kentucky, a man who owns a sawmill, and does some moonshining, on the side, recruits a crack crew of murderers, with the goal of killing his soon to be ex-wife, saving him a lot of trouble. But when you recruit whoever is around, and willing to commit crimes, might not be the best way to carry out a murder plot. This proves to be true, even the the absolutely vicious murder goes off without a hitch, leaving the victim with half of a head, and a lot of stab wounds. The whole thing falls apart, when one of the killers has a bout of conscience, then the really crazy stuff happens! This is a mess!Along the way, we find out that Kentucky takes great pride in their hillbilly culture, that a random criminal that you happen to know might not be the best candidate for a murder plot, and that you can't deny your own voice, talking gleefully about murder!!Hosted by James Pietragallo and Jimmie WhismanNew episodes every Thursday!Donate at: patreon.com/crimeinsports or go to paypal.com and use our email: [e-mail] to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder & Crime In Sports!Follow us on...twitter.com/@murdersmallfacebook.com/smalltownpodinstagram.com/smalltownmurderAlso, check out James & Jimmie's other show, Crime In Sports! On Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Amazon Music, Wondery, Wondery+, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts!See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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it is that's it right there So if that sounds good to you, oh my goodness, are you in for a wild story? If you think true crime and comedy should never, ever, never mix, I don't know, maybe you're not for us, maybe we're not for you, I don't know. But you should give it a shot and just no complaining afterwards.

And also, by the way, this isn't part of the disclaimer, but definitely check out Small Town Murder Express on Friday nights. That comes out. Oh, yes. Shorter shorter small town murder episodes so you can hear those but i think it's time jimmy let's let's clear the lungs what do you say and shout shut up and give me murder yes and i know everybody from your treadmills from your desks, from wherever the hell you are. The places people tell us they shout shut up and give me murder are amazing. I love it so much. I like to scare people in the grocery store.

Okay. We love it. So keep telling us where you do that. Let's go on a trip, Jimmy. What do you say? Okay. Oh, boy. Here we go.

We're coming hard. Put it that way. Coming from Florida where we were last week. And that was a gross serial killer, as you remember. This week, we are going for it. This is some panhandle stuff here. We're going to Raccoon, Kentucky. Oh, boy. There is a town called Raccoon.

Unbelievable. Now, to explain, the murder itself, it happened kind of in a non-town area. It happened closer to a tiny town called Meta, M-E-T-A. But this place was, it's like a dollar store and a crossroad. That's all it is. There's nothing there for a town. So the closest kind of town with anything that you could give statistics or anything on is Raccoon, which butts right up to Meta. And so it's all right there. there's zebulon is near here um yeah zebulon meta raccoon coal was a there's like

a coal run some shit we'll get into it okay here we go like a fringe facebook group town oh i'm telling you this is all the way far eastern kentucky where kentucky goes into a little point there into west virginia where it's stabbing into west virginia and virginia this is right in that point pan handle as it comes three and a half hours to louisville if you want to go to civilization about an hour 45 to charleston west virginia so oh oh yeah This is the hills, man. This is Groundhog for Breakfast country in this area. About four hours to Elizabethtown, Kentucky, which was episode 220, our last Kentucky episode. Wow. So getting back there over a year later, here we are.

It's in Pike County, P-I-K-E, area code 606, and motto. Not surprising and very simple. Quote, ain't no reason for y'all to be around here. That's we understand. Keep on driving. I wonder who is Pike. It had to be a person, right? Because there's so much shit. We're going to talk all about it.

Absolutely. We'll get into him here. It's the history of the town. You don't trust me here, Jimmy. We'll get into them here. It's the history of the town. You don't trust me here, Jimmy. Raccoon got its name because, shockingly, there were so many raccoons when they started the town.

Weird. So many, they just called the town Raccoon. There's a lot of raccoons. That's what I mean. Throughout this area, there's raccoons everywhere in the woods. Where there's woods, there's raccoons. So, I mean, imagine the fucking backlog of raccoons, the glut of raccoons. Place was lousy with raccoons everywhere. The surplus has to be out of control.

Not sure about the groundhog population for eating, but we'll see. Now, Meta, the place we talked about, this is the only information you can find about Meta anywhere. This is the only information you can find about Meta anywhere. Meta is located at the junction of Kentucky Route 1426 and Kentucky Route 2169, 7.7 miles northeast of Pikeville. The community had a post office from 1896 to 1959. That's all the info on Meta you're going to get. And there's a family dollar or a dollar tree. One of the two is there now.

There's a dollar store of some sort. Some kind. Now, Pike County itself, county was founded in 1821, named after General Zebulon Pike. That must be who it is. Yeah, that's him, Zebulon Pike. Now, he's from New Jersey, so there's stuff there, too. That's why there's a town, Zebulon, within and there's pikeville which is named after him he's named everything after him he joined the army in 1794 and fought on the frontier area uh he was an explorer in 1805 he discovered pike's peak i was just gonna just going to say, I bet it's Pikes Peak.

Yeah, he didn't really discover it. People had found it before. He said, there it is. There it is, and they named it after him here. He also explored the headwaters of the Arkansas and the Red Rivers. So he did a lot here. Also, he traced the source of the Mississippi River in 1805. He has to be the guy who the Pike Market is named after too in fucking Seattle.

Probably. He was an explorer, so that would make a lot of sense. Zebulon. He started in 1805, which is right after Lewis and Clark, so he probably followed their trail right up there. He fought at Tippecanoe in 1811, and during the War of 1812,

he was promoted to Brigadier general because he was so ballsy and uh then when the american forces attacked york canada in april of in 1813 the british blew up an ammunition dump during the surrender negotiations and he was killed in the explosion oh wow so all that exploring all that dicey shit where you could be killed by bears or anything you could be killed by yeah fucking wars everything and then during negotiations he was killed in an ammunition explosion it's a munitions dump that is wild wow um in this county between 1860 and 1891 this was one of the main areas of the hatfield mccoy feud we're going on here it's because this is the border this borders mingo county west virginia

so mingo county west virginia is known as like it's called bloody mingo i mean it's known as a lawless shit this is connected to that it's all the same all the same hollers that's you know what i mean gross it's all there uh pike is kentucky's largest county in terms of land area they were just like all of that shit where no one wants to go because there's banjos through the woods just that's all one county we don't want anything to do with it and name it something dangerous yeah make people know that if if you're not a badass you can't go through there call it pike. Like that bad man. So there's a lot of dry counties throughout here and wet counties.

If you don't know what that is for other countries, it'll break down into counties whether alcohol sales go on or not. It's all the south. There's nowhere else but the south pretty much. I'm sure there's a county or two up north. And Utah. Yeah, it's a religious thing here. So this is classified as a moist county. Oh, there's a little bit.

Beer and wine. Which is alcohol sales are prohibited except in wet cities. So Pikeville, Elkhorn, and Colerun Village, there's alcohol sales there. You can package alcohol. No bars or anything, but you can buy a six-pack and bring it home with you now here's some reviews i found of neighbor just a bunch of towns it's there's not a lot for raccoon so this is for coal run village they have two reviews one is five stars five star pizza is great so the whole town's wonderful because the pizza place isn't bad

and there's a pizza place called five star five star and then there is another one here three stars one sentence quote there are some new jobs oh so that's good so three star burger is terrible and three star burger three star wings aren't as good. So here's some reviews from Pikeville. This is a two-star review from Pikeville. Quote, Pikeville is a very isolated community in eastern Kentucky. It's a two-and-a-half-hour trip if you want to get to a city. That's no joke.

That's where you are, man. Pikeville is the big town. There ain't shit there either. It's really. Holy shit, man.'s where you are, man. It is. Pikeville is the big town. There ain't shit there either. It's, it's really shit. It is. This is the Hills, man.

Middle of nowhere, Kentucky. Yup. Within the town, there is not much to do. There's a very limited number of stores. So expect to travel or shop online. If you're used to living in a larger town,

yeah, you're isolated out here. And here's three stars. I think my hometown is very beautiful and timeless compared to other places i have been sadly the hospital is just taking over the whole town and it's using the losing the uniqueness of the town the hospital what i've never heard of the hot that damn hospital's encroaching on everybody's shit um the city of pikeville town is too small if your hospital's too big yeah and it's usually

a hospital's a business they don't make more hospital unless you need more hospital and if you need more hospital shut the fuck up and go to the hospital what are we talking about here what is happening i never heard anyone complaining that there's too much hospital have you i want to see how big the hospital it's the whole town let's see it's this giant building and there's four houses around it the city of pikeville needs to decide if they want to keep the rustic old like of the town or make it high tech and modern yeah whether you want to keep it quaint and nice or do you want to live in labor and delivery what are we doing here yeah you want the er to dominate this place no so people this is for raccoon itself and this is for raccoon proper we'll say because there is also like a larger area of raccoon that encompasses zebulon and meta and they'd lump all their shit

in there so we're gonna go with raccoon proper people here. Okay, it's small. More males than females, which is not normal. Median age is 46.3. I feel like the young people would probably flee this area. Get the fuck out. Just to get jobs. I don't know where you're going to get a job. There's 65% married.

It's normally 50-50. That's hot, yeah. Yeah, I don't know if it's just, you know, don't feel like getting divorced or what it is, but widow rates twice what it usually is here, too. They stick around. Man, things happen in them hollers, man. 98.7% white, 0.6% Hispanic, 0.09% black. Wow. That is not a lot of black people.

And yeah, that's pretty much it. That's the racial breakdown here. Sure. Unemployment here is higher than the rest of the country. It's about almost double. It's 7.5% right now here. Median household income, though, not great. It's about literally half the, exactly half the national average.

$27,750 as the median household. That is terrifying. That's terrifying. 33% live below the poverty level here. A full third live below the poverty level. That's not good. That's staggering. And I looked up here.

This one site has the breakdown of the education levels here. And by the way, neither of us are like, I didn't graduate high school. Remember that. I am not a scholar. Not making fun of anybody here, but college degree here, 18% have some college. 7% have

a bachelor's degree. 4% have a graduate degree. 56% have, quote, some high school. Some. No. Not all. God, no. 7% have, quote, no high school.

None. None. 7% of people dropped out in eighth grade or younger. No high school. Wow. Yeah. Some high schools start in eighth grade so yeah seven percent that's very high i would say how do they relate to any of those

high school movies yeah we don't watch the breakfast club around here it comes on to tbs and we just say turn it to the next channel but i ain't even getting into that 10 things i hate about you i got 10 that i hate about this movie why so let me get this straight these kids go to school when do they work in the mines i don't understand they go to school they come home i see them going to the stores and like talking to each other and eating pizza and stuff i never see them coming home covered in soot i don't understand how these kids doing out there. Far too clean. Yeah. This clueless shit.

They are clueless. They don't know fuck about real life. They don't know shit about nothing. God damn it. I like them skirts, though, with them little thingies pulled up, the socks pulled up high. Stockings up real high. Kind of turned me on, I'll say that much. But that's beside the point I'm making. Median home cost here, $97,000.

Wow. And if we've convinced you, damn it, you need some area to yourself, I guess. I don't know. You need some raccoon in your life. You need a little more raccoon in your life. We have for you the Raccoon Kentucky Real Estate Report. All right, here we go. I couldn't find rentals.

No one's renting anything in Raccoon. It's something that your, like, pappy had from your grandpappy, and you live there. I don't know what's going on. I found a two-bedroom, one-bath, 936 square feet. It's a shack. It's just a shack. Roll your chair over because I've got to show you a couple of pictures here. Check this out. Okay.

It belongs on like an old mountain duad. Look at this place. What the fuck? It's a shack. It's a shack on cinder blocks. It should have just... On a nice foundation of cinder blocks, but still it's cinder blocks. It should have a hillbilly with a musket shooting off the edge of that porch there's a void underneath that oh absolutely

it's a big it's holler jimmy uh twenty nine thousand dollars for this house wow two bedroom one bath uh next up we have a three bedroom two bath uh so it's on about an acre it's about 1400 square feet let's take a look at this not bad not bad it's on a double patios james it doesn't even have a driveway it this this house does not have an address by the way no of course it doesn't it's side of of whatever hill that is it's it's on a fucking hill on the side like people built a house to like escape from federal authorities after they butchered their whole family in the city. That's what you would put there.

I'm impressed that they got that house level. I don't know how they did that. The grade is not level. No. It's on an acre. I don't even know if it's property or it's just, you know, it's all kind of yours. $119,000 for this. That's too much.

For this moonshining shack. And then I found a four-bedroom, three-bath. It's 3,000 square feet. It's a big one. Yeah, it's a big house, big kind of raised ranch type of thing. It's got a nice garage. You know, a lot of room inside. Needs some work inside.

There's some areas where the walls are a little fucked up and stuff. But not terrible. You could do it. $163,000 for that. It's a big house. How do you do that, though, on fucking grand 30 grand yeah how do you do it i don't know man that's five years of salary and more that's a lot dude that's too much you're not going to do that you can't do it things to do what i've been waiting for here this is the important part things to do first of all if you want to go to the old to the big city in Pikeville, you go to the Appalachian Wireless Arena.

And you can see the Poison World Tour coming this summer. So there's that. That's where Brett Michaels is now? That's where he is. The Appalachian Wireless Theater. Not good. Brett. But that, never mind that shit.

Because we have Hillbilly Days. Stop it. Hillbilly Days. It is absolutely a thing. Oh, my God. Quote, this is from their website, quote, Y'all be sure to come and enjoy one of the state's largest festivals. Since 1977, Pike County, Kentucky has been celebrating Hillbilly Days.

This internationally known annual event serves as a fundraiser to benefit the shriner's children's hospital well that's nice they do great work um in lexington kentucky this festival is one you got to see to believe three live stages of free entertainment featuring a wide variety of music genres i don't think it's that wide, probably. I'm sure it's blue and bluegrass. Yeah. Clogging and square dancing. Men, women, and youngsters pick and grin while trying to outdo each other with their wild hillbilly outfits. And people put, like, black things over their teeth.

It's one of these. Come join us. Is it hillbilly days, D-A-Z-E? No, no, no. It's hillbilly days, regular days. Come join us. Is it Hillbilly Days, D-A-Z-E? No, no, no. It's Hillbilly Days, regular days. Come join us. Stay the weekend in one of our great hotels from the Hampton Inn and Holiday Inn to motels and economy lodging. That's not the economy lodging.

The Holiday Inn is the fucking top end hotel you have. Where's Brett Michaels stay? From the Hampton. From the Hampton Inn all the way down to the shit ones um you get a wide range of accommodations will fit into almost any vacation budget i bet bring the children grandchildren friends and neighbors they'll have a ball who goes to places with their neighbors so um yeah this is uh oh you can plan a few extra days to see the uh what is this the pikeville cut through project i don't know whatever that is hatfield mccoy feud sites this is where them

fellers argued right over there one time he called his wife a cuss i heard it um and go to the cemetery where randolpholph McCoy is buried. Also, they have that. And finally, there's concerts there. Yeah. And they announced the featured concert for 2022. Jimmy, do you know what it is? You are not going to fucking believe what it is. Is it a name?

It's Dustin Lynch, Jimmy. It's the guy. How the fuck did this happen? This came up three weeks ago I'd never heard of this man before the murder it's a douche country act and I even looked him up

he has a song called small town boy I swear to god it's meant to be Dustin Lynch would love us he would have to because we're the only people talking about him who have outside of the collars i guess i don't know so anyway yeah so that's amazing i look i have the whole it's amazing i have the whole schedule here um oh yeah there's a puppet show a mini children's parade um live music live live music, live music, opening ceremony, hillbilly degree work.

I don't know what the fuck that is. Dustin Lynch party mode tour. Oh, boy. He's playing raccoon Kentucky. Oh, my God. There's a hillbilly breakfast. Of course there is. Hillbilly pageant.

Oh, my God. There's a hillbilly pageant. That's the only one that I approve of so far. My God. Hillbilly car show. Yeah. Hillbilly day's carnival. Stump speaking.

I don't know if they think the trees are talking or if someone's actually talking. Having a speech. Like a political stump speech. The origin and truth of the hillbilly image is one of their presentations oh boy uh hillbilly parade you can't have a fucking festival without a parade why would you want to obviously and then the mountain girl grrl experience kickoff what is that i guess if you're a hillbilly girl that's for you The Mountain Girl G-R-R-L Experience Kickoff. What is that? I guess if you're a hillbilly girl, that's for you.

She's going to growl at something? Such other acts as Alex Blankenship, Bill Dotson, the Midnight Gypsies, Donovan Blevins and the Hillbilly Drive Band. These are all locals. Oh,die jenkins and the 606 sound that's the area code for meta is 606 and raccoon mind you uh the kudzu killers oh boy uh them dirty vandals and beck beek not that be, and the Starlight Review. No, that's what's happening here. That's what we're doing in this town. All of that shit is opening for Dustin Lynch. Dustin Lynch, who, good God.

When I saw he was here, my eyes almost fucking popped out of my head. I'm like, oh my God, what is happening? How is this possible? We can't get away from this asshole. Can't get away from Dustin Lynch. He's following us. Hey, Dustin Lynch, leave us the fuck alone man get back into your hillbilly world he's like well i'm performing at the hillbilly days uh in rackhampton it's the nicest hotel around which it's fine but yeah it's not it's when you say like we have luxury accommodations all

the way down to economy and then you go everything from the hampton inn on down you go huh it's not luxury i mean it's fine i'll stay at a hampton and no problem if i'm dustin lynch i'm not staying at the hampton so anyway uh crime rate in this town what we're obviously interested in is pretty low i don't know if it's just not reported because it's happening out there and them hollers or what the fuck's going on but uh property crime it's about half the national average for property and then violent amongst themselves it's a monk we'll figure it out up here and up here in the hills uh if you don't even have an address i feel like you don't call the cops very often

i need a police officer where's the address i don't know i got address, I feel like you don't call the cops very often. I need a police officer. What's the address? I don't know. I got it. I'll handle it. Never mind. It's the side of the, you know that one hill? Ah, fuck it. I got it.

Click. Violent crime, murder, rape, robbery, and assault. The Mount Rushmore of crime is about, it's like a third of the average. So again, extremely low. It's safe. Maybe it's nice. I think it might because there's nothing here. There's nobody here.

There's nothing to take. Who do you have beef with? You can go outside and scream and ain't nobody gonna hear you so I don't get who you're gonna fucking have problems with here. Makes no sense. And I think there's probably murders that just people disappear in the hills and nobody

knows. I don't know. Like Cleveland. They just assume they went to somewhere better. That's it. I mean, there's a lot of these abandoned mine shafts where people would dump. I mean, the Iceman used to dump them in all these abandoned mine shafts.

They haven't even found all these people yet. There's so many of these abandoned shafts that people just throw fucking people down because there are thousands of people. There were hundreds, and they were like, we haven't found that many. Uh-oh. might be more so that said let us talk about a murder oh boy i can't wait yes this is and we're gonna go let's get in the time machine jimmy because we're gonna go back further we're gonna go back further we're gonna go back to what hillbilly

days is modeling themselves on okay this is a place with a festival called hillbilly days and we're like nope nope not quite rural enough yet let's go back in time 50 years what do you say we need to go before dustin lynch was born oh it is too we're going back to 1971 in the small town crime i called it the crime machine it's the crime machine the crime machine it's the crime machine the crime machine that's a time machine where we go back for murders the small town murder crime machine everyone hop in hop in your mistake is perfect all aboard the murder train on fridays and all aboard the small town murder crime machine the small town murder crime machine everyone let's get it on so here we go 1971 is where we'll catch up and we'll go backwards and forwards from there so

let's talk about a man in this area yeah who owns a lot of land in this area no kidding he's an important man uh boone deskins of course it's Boone Boone is his name Boone his first name that's his first name Boone B-O-N-N-E Deskins D-E-S-K-I-N-S

Deskins B-O-N-N-E B-O-O-N-E sorry okay I was like James that is Boone that is French

Boone Deskins yes he's a very French man I don't know he is Boone French asshole not Bon well they named fucking shit in Missouri we had bonterre missouri

which that's so boone in 1971 is 67 years old shit yeah he's an old hillbilly and he's from this area yeah and i found a court document of he had a hell of a court battle over land with these people really there was this guy named jasper mullins all right of course let's give you a quick i don't even have it in front of me this is just what i remember from reading it there's a feller named jasper mullins now jasper court documents was it was it boone v jasper it was jasper v that other feller is what it was. So there's a feller named Jasper Mullins. Now, Jasper Mullins done went and dropped dead on us now.

Oh. So he dropped dead in a bunch of land that apparently Jasper Mullins had gotten the land because in 1925, some old hillbilly who owned all this land told him that he could stay there until he dies. So the old hillbilly died first, though, and then Jasper ended up with the land. And then there was a claim on it from Boone Deskins, who was part of the— It was like four people fighting over like 350 acres of moonshine country is what it is. While Jasper screams in court, he said, till I die. No, Jasper died. You can see died see me oh wait jasper died that's why they're fighting over it because jasper that's how jasper wants it well the that's how jasper got it was some old hillbilly told me because y'all could

stay here till you die now jasper's got it so that that's a that's a that's a notarized document in the hills because he screamed y'all could i told him he could, Jasper can stay here until he dies. There you go. It's notarized now. It's notarized. In May of 1980, near Anaheim, California, Dorothy Jane Scott noticed her friend had an inflamed red wound on his arm and seemed unwell. She insisted on driving him to the local hospital to get treatment.

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That's what ended up happening. So I guess at some point Jasper had willed, you know, non-formally willed this land to multiple parties. So they were all drunk and said, you could have my land. You can have my land or you can have part of my land because somebody said that they were owed 110 acres of the 350 acres. So it was like a beef over. I get a chunk of it and then you get some so there's a lot of beef going on but in the end boone deskins ends up with most of this land okay now boone has uh a logging company

i guess you could call it um also because he was being sued by the other the whole thing with the land was the other two land people that jasper told y'all could stay here yeah they said that boone was taking was was logging on the land and they're like he's taking our trees yeah that's what happened boone owned a sawmill for years and years so i mean he's got a mill for christ's sake yeah he's a mill owner yeah what's happening um shitload of land good amount of money sawmill logs court battles he's also a bootlegger as we'll talk about because this is this is dry country so yeah he's also a moonshiner and a bootlegger i love it so this is your old time fucking hillbilly this is who they made the festival about i mean he's got one strap on his overalls it's because the other strap broke that's why not for fashion

you know so boone's an interesting hillbilly sort here fascinating fella he is a fascinating fella and um he so yeah he's married of course you can't do all this alone you can't own a sawmill and bootleg alone. You have to be. And if you do, you only do it for a little while because that's impressive, folks. You got to have a little lady back at the homestead here. And he does. He has his little lady.

By the way, in 1971, Boone's 67, and his wife, Gladys Deskins, is 60. So she's a little younger than him. He's doing great. Yeah, they've been married uh since about um 1930 around there they got 1930 1931 so about 40 years of marriage here boone and gladys that's i mean i don't i don't know if divorce happened back then up in the hills i think it was easier just to you know i'll move into the still and you stay in the house and that's how it's good for him for sticking it out so long to waiting on her.

And then she turns 20 and he's like, that's my girl. That's my girl right there. Now, 1953, I found a really funny thing that just kind of shows you the wildness that's going on around here. They're sued in 1953. This guy is- Yeah, Deskin. So many lawsuits throughout time I found with this guy. Had to like parse through them and be like, ah, that one's not important.

This one here. He is sued by a husband and wife who were injured in a collision with their truck. Now, they weren't driving their truck, though. Boone wasn't in the truck and neither was Gladys. They weren't even in the truck. But it was his truck driven by a 15 year old kid named Paul Smith. Okay.

So, um, yeah, the, uh, the, it's a really weird thing. Smith who's 15 was driving the truck within the scope of employment for, so he hired a 15 year old to do that, a sawmill mind you, right. To do like these logs down the road. Hard sawmill labor, and he's not a licensed driver. He's 15, and then he lent this 15-year-old his truck, and then the 15-year-old crashed into somebody. So at this point, you go, this is kind of making sense that they would sue him for this.

At first, I'm like, what the fuck are they suing him for? That's some Kentucky shit, though. This is some Kentucky. Yeah, you wouldn't let us. I don't know send the kid out to get the shit like what don't my keys i'm too drunk who doesn't have a license you get in the car let's go you're driving you gotta learn sometime you know what i mean so this accident occurred six o'clock on a sunday evening in november of, where the couple who were bashed into here, they depended on

the testimony, by the way, of Paul Smith, the driver, because he's not being sued. It's the Boone's being sued. So Paul's testifying for the couple he crashed into. Paul doesn't give a shit. He don't care. Smith was, quote, about 15 years old. So who knows? Around about. Around about.

Around about. He worked as a laborer as a 15-year-old. Should all be sawmill laborers. Everybody out there with a 15-year-old, how good of a sawmill laborer do you think that kid would be right now if you just threw him in the middle of that? My son's 15. He'd be the worst sawmill laborer in the history of sawmills. We'd have no wood ever. He'd be the worst sawmill laborer in the history of sawmills.

We'd have no wood ever. My 13-year-old would try really hard and then tell you that everything's perfect. He's an arrogant little fuck. Would he do a good job at the sawmill? No. Jesus God, no. But he would tell you it's the best job you've ever seen. What's wrong with this?

These are the best logs ever. No, son, you do it like this. I did. No, you didn't. That's why I'm telling you. You fuck. They they're not even cut they're just still huge logs you gotta send them back through the machine now put them on like this i did that now cut it i did that why are they still together why did you crazy glue them what the fuck did you do to them everything is i did no you didn't you're 13 i'll smack you my son be like there's a lot of sawdust

in here this is i don't want to be in here it's too dirty yeah it's a fucking sawmill that's what it is it's all dirt it's in my nose yeah that's what happens so he's about 15 he also lived in the desk in his house so they had like a live-in indentured teenage servant who he was i don't know if he like his parents died in a moonshine still explosion or what the fuck happened how this why does he need them how in the 50s this 15 year old was willed to them to the point of you know working and laboring for them and driving, which he's not qualified to do. He worked as a laborer in the sawmill, lived in the home. He was paid $5 a day plus board. So you could stay in our house.

We'll give you $5 a day. So he has to work in the sawmill, and he is paid $5 a day, which is the equivalent of $ 59.98 in 2022 so that's like 60 bucks a day which is what fucking 300 bucks a week a week uh 1200 a month yes about 12 grand a year 12 grand a year so 12 grand a year uh plus board so i mean but i'm you know he's 15 also so he's this is kind of's a strange child laborer. I'd love to know how long this arrangement's been going on for. Is it since he was nine or something?

So on the day of the accident here, Paul, the kid, he volunteered to help Boone load some corn into the truck. Yeah. Got to load up the corn. So he said that they came in the truck to the sawmill for the purpose of changing the oil in the truck. While they were there, the boy's mother drove up. Why is he living with them then if he has a mother? Why is mom there? What is happening?

He has a mother, yet he lives with the sawmill owner? What the fuck is going on? He's all grown up, James. He's all grown up. Yeah. No high school. Remember all grown up. Yeah. No high school. Remember that? Yeah.

Yeah. So he drove up. It was raining. So Boone and Paul got into the car with Paul's mom. And Boone then said that he had to go down to the store at Zebulon, which was about a mile away, to get some lamp oil. Oh. Lamp oil, Jimmy. That's where we're at.

Wow. Okay. 1950, not 1850. Paul, I feel like the guy, what is his name? Zebulon Pike would have been like, I did that for this? You named this after me? All that for lamp oil town? Fuck my God.

Paul asked that he let him, let me go get it, Paul said. I'll go grab it. I'll go pick up your lamp oil. And so Boone said, here you go, tossed him the key to the truck, and there he goes. Paul takes off. So the lamp oil, it wasn't for lighting. It was kerosene is what they wanted. Kerosene to be used in flushing out the motor before putting in the motor oil.

Is that what you're supposed to do? I have never heard of this as a technique, but I'm not a mechanic. I don't know if in the 50s with farm-equipped truck, I don't know, sawmill trucks. How clean do you need the motor to be before you lube it? I've never heard of that before, but apparently that's a... Yeah, go down to the Jiffy Lube and ask them, is he going to run kerosene in it between that and that? And see the look on the guy's face if he understands what you're talking about.

But if the kerosene breaks down the oil and gets it out, there's still going to be some kerosene in there when you pour new oil in. Doesn't that fuck that oil up? Then what about the kerosene? It's like, yes, there's a mouse, so I'll get a cat. But then what about when the cat runs amok? Then I get a dog, and then what do I get? A gorilla and a fucking ape?

I've got to go up the line now until I have an elephant running around, and then the mouse scares the elephant, and we start all over again. That's the problem. I don't know why she swallowed the fly. Perhaps she'll die. That's right. It's a problem for everybody. So he went down to Zebulon there to get the kerosene,

the only place around with kerosene is up in Zebulon. Yeah. And he had it charged to Deskins. It just got charged to his account there sure um so there's no the guy at the store didn't remember so there's no corroboration that he actually got the kerosene and went to the store that's the other thing like we don't even know if he ever went there or not he just said he went there paul because he returned to the sawmill but along the way he picked up three other boys what three friends of his

so we don't know if he actually got the kerosene or if he just took the truck on the ruse of getting kerosene and then picked up his friends that's that could have or if he went to go get kerosene but as you know young adolescent teen boys do they lose track oh look there goes tom tom you want to go riding with me i gotta go get kerosene yeah sure i'll jump in hey look there's fred hey tom fred y'all want to hey fuck it let's just go riding and then we'll get billy too we'll all just go riding they just went back to the sawmill though they didn't even go riding that's the thing i forgot what i was out here for let's hit that five star pizza and head on back to the mill oh let's do it we're going on back to the mill that five star here is delicious and then of course dustin lynch is playing so if we can just listen to the soft sounds of dustin lynch

from outside the fence we saw a small town boy performed and we just lost track of time we forgot what we were getting i feel like this is why you don't give 15 year old drivers licenses because they don't even they can't focus on even getting from a to b so he picks them up neither boone nor paul's mother were anywhere around the mill when he gets back okay no one's around so he hangs out for about a half about a half hour and then he got back in the truck and started going to boone's house where he lived as well he's going home going home right so he said that uh it that it was not for the purpose of taking kerosene there, but it was because, quote, I wanted to go wash and clean up because, quote, I was going to town later that night. Yeah, you got to get my wash off. You got to get washed up to go to town.

So he's going to town, boy. It's a big night for him. So on the way there, he gets into a collision. The house is about eight miles from the sawmill he bashes into some couple and fucks them up um he also said he'd previously driven this truck seven or eight times while at work so he's done this a lot he'd never driven it or any other car of his um going to the house he said he. He couldn't do that. So he said that the week of the accident, he said that he took the truck.

They basically, he made an affidavit, the kid, when it happened. Yeah. That was prepared by Boone's attorney. Yeah. That said, Boone didn't know he had the truck. He basically stole the truck from work and went on a wild joy ride and had nothing to do with Boone. You know what I mean?

One of those. So never Boone of all responsibility. Absolutely. He even said this was the only he's never never been given permission ever to drive any of his vehicles ever before. And not this time either. So, yeah, the boy, though, got on the stand and then he said that, no, I've driven it seven or eight times. He sent me for kerosene. You know, one of those deals.

So he said that he was going to run the errand. It was a Sunday, so he was off that day, but he was happy to run the errand and all this type of shit. So anyway, they do find that the key was in the ignition of the truck, that basically that it's not boone's fault because the boy could have taken the truck without his knowledge even though everybody says even though paul and his mother say that boone gave him the key so there you go so boone gets out of that all right okay yeah this is the type of shit we're dealing with though they have strange children living in their fucking house who like work in their sawmill for small amounts of money. It's very strange.

It's awesome. It's awesome. So April 4th and 5th, 1970. Fast forward some. Boone gets arrested. All right? Yeah. He's arrested for having a $25,000 truckload of liquor that he was transporting without a license to do so.

$25,000. So $5 is worth $60. Do the math with $25,000 from 1970. So it would be less. Times six. It would be less because it's 70. So whatever. It's a lot of fucking money.

Let's just say that. It's $100,000. It's more than that from 70. It's a lot. So either way, it's a lot of goddamn money. So he's charged with that um now what ends up happening too is some fucking what was it the bottle shop inc at 115 new circle road is also charged with selling large quantities of beverages to boone deskins so he could basically he would

buy this booze wholesale and then come and sell it to people in the hills where it's dry. That's what he would do. That's his game, it looks like. Yeah, he's a bootlegger. That's how it works. So they end up getting in trouble, the people who sold it to him. Really? Well, then in April of 1971, Boone is there.

He purchased a shitload of, what is this now oh my god oh this is another time he got arrested my bad he gets arrested in 1971 for stealing a tractor which is only in raccoon kentucky do we have a tractor theft here he uh he i guess this was April 16th, 1971, this happened. He was in Fleming County inquiring of a man named Stanley Spencer about the purchase of some cattle. And then while he's talking about some cattle, the guy brought up, well, I have this 1970 Ford Tractor 3000 series right here that I'm trying to get rid of as well. And Boone said, well, I'm in the market for a good tractor and uh after some negotiations he purchased the tractor and transported it to pike county um he says that he now boone says that he paid 2400 for the tractor in cash yeah and the tractor was taken from a farm in fleming County to a barn located on the farm of one

of his neighbors in Pike County, where it was there for about six months. Now, a detective here of the Kentucky State Police traveled to Pike County and inquired of him if he had bought the Ford tractor, fitting this description. And this policeman said that when he inquired about the tractor this guy boone said nope i never purchased a tractor and i don't know nothing about no tractor like that he said not only did i not buy a track i never even heard of a tractor like that no no clue what's a tractor i don't know what you mean ford makes tractors oh shit maybe i'll try them out next time I'm in the market. So, yeah. After the police officer left his home, he ended up fucking loading the tractor back up and taking it back to where he got it from.

Okay. So his nephew, Gerstle Deskins. What? Gerstle. G-E-R-S-T-L. I've never heard that as a first name before gerstle deskins that's a bad name fuck he's the guy who drove the truck that returned the tractor and desk boone went along with him in a car and helped him unload the tractor now during the process of unloading

the tractor he and his nephew were arrested with knowingly receiving a stolen tractor yeah like caught red-handed like taking the tractor off saying i don't know nothing about tractors meanwhile that tractor they're bringing the tractor back plus who did they think he's the guy who took it if he brought it back we know where it came from all of a sudden like what are you talking about it's a big coincidence the case is solved sir oh man so the arresting officer said that when he made the arrest, Boone told the arresting officer that his nephew didn't know anything about nothing about the tractor. I just asked him to drive this for me. So, you know, let him out of this.

So the sheriff of Fleming County, of course, was present at the time because it's a big tractor bust. We got to get the head cop in on this one. You know, when there's a big tractor bust, Jimmy, you got to call in everybody there. The FBI couldn't make it this day was the difference. Chief, chief, wake up. We got a tractor bust. He's the sheriff of the whole county, by the way. This is the most important thing that's going on in the county.

The county sheriff shows up to a tractor returning. Yeah, a tractor fucking returning.'s so weird too like he's returning his stolen property at the time the nephew he doesn't want any part in this he's got a big he's got a career so he doesn't want he's he's a tugboat operator he's doing that yes i'm not even kidding he's a tugboat operator in landlocked kentucky in virginia he's just there hanging out so yeah he lives in virginia so these days there's gonna be water here and i'm gonna be the tugboat captain of all of them prior to the trial a year later his nephew died we don't know how who knows fell off a tugboat we have no fucking idea how he died. In a tugboat on land?

I assume some sort of groundhog for breakfast accident. I don't know what's going on. Choked on groundhog as he drove his tugboat down the freeway. He grabbed his throat and then fell off the front of the tugboat and drowned. Is that what happened there? We don't know if the choking or the drowning got him first, but something. Fell off his tugboat in the yard oh my god so during the trial boone claimed that he purchased the tractor for his nephew i bought it from a dead

nephew you got you got to involve the nephew as much as possible now because he's dead so what difference does it make at first he said nephew don, he's just driving this truck. Don't have shit to do with it. So now he does. You can't refute this story. He claimed that his nephew was about to quit river work, quote, river work. That's tugboat operating, in about a year and was going to come and instead sort of half retire, half work on the farm. That was what he was going to do. So he bought him a tractor for this

purpose that apparently work half retired but whole died all the way died i'll tell you what so this is absolutely ridiculous so uh anyway he ends up they say that's a ridiculous story guilty you fucking moron and they sentence him as we'll talk about later on we'll get into that later but anyway during this time but all this is going on boone and gladys have been going through a divorce proceeding oh it's over yeah from 71 it's been about five years they've been going through a divorce jesus since the mid 60s wow that seems easy to get along with. Oh, my God. So they have acquired a shitload of property. Yeah.

Based on. He doesn't part with any of it. Based on their, they've been married since 1930. So, I mean, this has all happened over the course of their marriage. He's acquired all this property, these businesses and everything like that. And the divorce is the only reason it's not final is because they could not come to an agreement for five years they've been negotiating distribution of property right and give up any of it she wants just a little bit basically he said i ain't giving her any yeah and she said but

i want some and then they've been going on for five years like that that's how they've been going well she ain't getting none well i deserve some well she goes back and forth for five years you can't have none just a little bit but i'm getting some i have a right to that land well i say you don't that's that's i put up with you for 40 years i put up with you for 40 years so while this is going on while they're fighting over their property yeah uh he boone is living in a trailer in zebulon wow okay till this all works out the house is is involved in this whole mess their family home okay gladys is living in a little tiny fucking weird like backwoods house on this on the john's creek which is right down the river right down the creek from the elementary school there i don't know what school the school the

john school or saint john's school whatever the fuck it is so okay the from what i can tell the house doesn't even have like a driveway or anything it's just it's like pirates of the caribbean like on the ride when you're going through and there's just that guy a rocking and he said yeah you're like well how does he get out of that house that he doesn't that's what's going on it's just a house on the creek in the water no it's off it's on the it's not on it's on stilts in the water like it's not a bayou house but it's yeah like that where it's just a house on the creek like what the fuck is that how do you get there you have to walk there how do you drive to this place i don't understand this so that's that's the status of what's going on here in 1971 this is it is

uncomfortable uncomfortable she's living in a drivewayless river shack and he lives in a trailer while he's being busted for stealing tractors this is what's going on and And moonshining, by the way. So all of this in the mix, and he's got the land thing with his wife. So July of 1971, he's like, I need to get me some help. I got a lot of things to do. Yeah. Got a lot to sort out is what it is. So he finds a young feller here who at the time is 24 years old named Willard Christian. All right.

But he doesn't go by willard of course they call him woody so everybody's got two last two last names for first names all of them yeah willard christian he is uh and he goes by woody so there's woody with his double last names like Boone Deskins. So, Woody here, he says that Boone first approached him in early summer 71. He said, here's what I need you to do now. All right. Check it out, Woody. He said, I need you. There's a house near where my wife is living now on the creek.

There's another house nearby. I need you to burn that shit to the ground. Burn the now on the creek there's another like house nearby i need you to burn that shit to the ground burn okay burn the house down the creek down the creek yeah just burn it to the ground all right okay now burn that house so okay so um woody said that he went to boone's trailer where uh boone uh quote asked him how i would feel about burning a house and i told him i would do it well shit yeah why not let's give oh i'll burn a house the hell i care so he said after that boone told him that quote after you do that i've got another job for you with more money okay now burning a house down seems like a pretty big felony to commit.

What could be a bigger job than that for more money than burning a house? That seems like probably, you know, there's only one step higher. Usually that's what I mean right there. I'd be like, wait a second. Um,

is it burning a bigger house down for more money? Is that what you're talking about? Cause yeah. Okay. With the burning part. So he said that uh he him and a guy named robert sykes who we'll talk about and another guy who he picked up along the way one of his hillbilly friends here sure they all burned the house down the next day

okay okay went there burned it down and sure enough true to his word um deskins by the way boone strikes me as a liar so i wouldn't right doesn't he strike you as honest man yeah he strikes me as like if he said something's 500 you're gonna come back and he's like gonna be like i got 275 you know you fucking asshole i might have a couple nickels in my pocket hold on hold on i mean you didn't do the whole job anyway i mean the barn's still standing i could get you closer hold on so they true to his word deskins paid him a thousand dollars for burning the house down that's good money in 1971 here not bad and uh he said that he told him boone told woody to to come over in two or three nights. By the way, pick one.

Which one? Two or three. And that he had another job for him. So not asking any further questions, Woody says, sounds good, buddy, and walked away. Now, at this point, he said a few days later, he went back to the trailer and he said, now I'll need you this time to kill somebody. Can you do that? All right. That's different now, obviously. Now, Christian Woody, he says that he's a squeamish guy when it comes to that.

You know, burning a house down is easy. Anybody can start a fire. But, you know, to kill a man, that's another thing. So he called it, quote, that's a horse of another color, is what he said. Okay. Very. That's the vernacular he used. A horse of another color out there.

I'm not sure about that. He's using Wizard of Oz phrases. Yep. A horse of another color. Well, that's actually like a farm phrase that wizard of oz used because supposedly they're they're on a farm because it was a farmy thing yeah it's a it's a farmy thing wizard of oz it's farmy i believe that was the tagline in 1939 when it came out come see the wizard of oz half color half black and white farmy it's very farmy it's farmy uh so um he went to the trailer and uh this is the words he put it in woody he said quote

and he asked me if i would kill someone and i told him no that i wouldn't kill someone myself and he told me that i should know somebody that that i should know someone that i would and i told him that i would check around and see. You should know somebody. I should know somebody. You know, I should have a pocket knife. I should have my gun with me all the time. I should have a good recipe for a squirrel. I should know somebody that murders.

You should have a couple friends that are up for a murder for hire, right? Don't everybody? Who doesn't have a couple friends? You know, when you get a toolbox, when you buy a toolbox, people say you should have your crescent wrench you should have some screwdriver he's got when you have a tackle box you should have some chartreuse hey it helps for them best i like it so he said i'll check around and see i'll ask around for you no problem see if i have that in my toolbox i'm not sure he said quote he told me he would pay seven thousand dollars for the death of his wife. Oh.

For killing his wife because she was giving him a lot of trouble and wouldn't give him a divorce. Yeah. So then after a minute, he decides that this horse's color is just fine with him. He says that, but he has to recruit a crew here and he does. And boy, does he ever recruit a crew of crack fucking crew of, of murdering posse here. If you're going to recruit a murder posse, really think it over,

think of go down your list of friends. Don't just go the first two that say, sure, I'll do it. Go down and choose who you think would be best for this particular assignment because not, not good here. First guy he picks out is William Eugene Thompson. He goes by Eugene Thompson.

They call him Gene. So Gene Thompson. He is born in 1949, so he's about 22. Same age range as Woody there. So William here, Eugene Thompson, he has got all sorts of prison records in his young life of 21 years, 22 years. In 1971,

he did a, early 71, he finished up a stretch at the Federal Corrections Institution in Oxford, Wisconsin for violation, federal place, for the violation of the National Firearms Act. And according to the, some guy from the kentucky corrections correctional some shit he also spent at least two years at another federal

penitentiary he's 22 so far we've got three years of federal time he's been doing in el reno oklahoma he's done time there too so he's a already a hardened convicted felon at age fucking 22 which is oklahoma back then they loved killing people he's lucky to be alive for no matter what he broke what law he broke down there you looked wrong at a horse i heard we're gonna put you on string him up put him on trial now and he also picks out an auto mechanic named Robert David Sykes as well. S-Y-K-E-S. He is born in 1934, so he's an older guy. He's in his 30s here.

In his mid-30s, some 22-year-old scrubby felon comes up to you and goes, you want to be in on a murder? And this guy goes, all right, sounds good. That's what goes on. So the night of July 11th 1971 is when this plot is supposed to go down here robert sykes is the driver he's the auto mechanic obviously he's the driver so that's what they put together a real oceans 11 team here we need somebody who's good with cars you know he's got to be the driver in case it breaks down you're gonna have to fix it

so and we need a legit hardened criminal. This is a hardened criminal shit we're doing. So they got a driver and a hardened criminal, so that's perfect. Driver and bedtime. Bedtime and a guy named Woody. That's who we have. That's our murder crew. That's our murder crew.

This is just terrific. Are you seeing a movie unfolding with the silliness of just these silly characters? And I feel like Casey Affleck is one of these people probably. Seems to always play a goofy guy. And it's ridiculous. So he's the mechanic. They're recasting Jimmy Conn's boy. He's got to be on this.

Yeah, that's it. There's not a lot of work for him. They canceled Hawaii Five-0, so he doesn't have a lot going on these days. And William Eugene, his name is literally Billy Jean. Billy Jean. Yeah. And fucking Billy Jean, what is it? Billy Jean Thompson.

Yeah. Billy Jean Thompson. So. Billy Jean is not my murderer. He's just a boy who said that. Who has done that. I hired him to kill my wife. Who has done

fed time but I never paid him shit who Billy Jean who Billy Jean will kill

your wife now for a fee he'll go over and cut her throat oh my goodness For a fee, he'll go over and cut her throat.

Oh, my goodness. I love it. Billie Jean. Billie Jean is murder for hire. That would be a Steam song for his commercial. That's fantastic. Kill your wife, son, daughter, or business partner. Hey, he'll do it all.

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The official Jinx podcast. Listen on Max or wherever you get your podcasts. It's all going down. Woody, Billie Jean. Yep. And so picture this now. We got Tom Hanks from Toy Story and you got a cartoon cowboy, Michael Jackson in his shiny, sparkly Wizard of Oz shoes. We're walking into a murder scene.

And a mechanic to drive the car. And a mechanic. We're out of ideas. He'll cut your throat and then go, woo, afterwards. Yeah. And he says, show me your butthole. No, I want to see your butthole so okay this is what he said this is woody's words about this we meaning um you know him and uh

billy jean here uh we crossed the creek that robert sykes waits in the car he's he's the wheel man he's the wheel man he got his he's out there tuning it up, making sure it's ready to go. I picture him with driving gloves on. He's checking the oil by the fucking moonlight, making sure it's good. He's got a wrench out. He goes just adjusting a piston or some shit. He's using the fuel gauge, making sure it's accurate.

All right, we're good. Let's go, let's go. He's revving up the engine, keeping the RPM's up in case they really need to take off. Pulling the spark plugs, making sure it's running lean. Oh, you want it to run lean, Jimmy. It's ready to go here. We want her fast.

Oh, we need her fast and lean, baby. So they crossed the creek on foot, first of all. So it's starting out right away with a hillbilly fucking creek crossing. Yeah. first of all so it's starting out right away with a hillbilly fucking creek crossing yeah waded the creek uh at about 25 or 30 feet apart and went up on the railroad tracks and proceeded toward her house so her house is on the creek on the railroad tracks yeah there's a creek and railroad tracks in the directions to her home that is really straight no driveway or road involved in this creep on up through the creek once you get to the railroad tracks you're about there you're about there now that's how you

get to her house by rail that's what's fucking the house that doesn't have well you gotta have a steam engine to drive to my house now tell you what or put your hip waders on one of the two there's a crick and a train you're gonna have to deal with heading home oh my god so next stop jesus christ next deskins house it's deskins the deskins residence next house so he said yeah about halfway from where we crossed the creek uh to her house we sat down on the railroad tracks sat down because the lights were still on in her house so they just sat there hanging out on the tracks for a while you can literally see your house from the rail yeah it's no it's right there it's i mean It's like on the rail on the creek. He said, so he said, we sat there approximately an hour until the lights went out in her house. And then we sat there a while longer.

And then we proceeded up to Mrs. Deskins' house. Okay. So lights out. How long does it take a 60-year-old lady to go to sleep? Okay. Doze off, yeah. There we go. Let's do that. So now Woody claims, quote, I stopped at an oil drum that looked like where they had burned garbage.

And Eugene proceeded to the house. So he's going to stay put. I'll wait out here. I'm going to investigate the burn barrel. Well, it's a three-tiered attack. We got the guy out in the car. And then another half distance, we got him, and then you go in the house. That way, there's a chain of communication, a supply chain. You never know how long we're going to be here.

Really good and staggered. Doesn't want to be there. They're real staggered out. So he said, Eugene goes to the house. He said he went to the lower part of the house toward Johns's Creek School, and he was making all kinds of noise. Yeah. Can't be doing that. He said, so I was left there to fire a shot in case anybody came up.

Okay. So he was there. He's the guard guy. If anybody walks up to the house, if anybody comes in the middle of the night through the creek and over the tracks, you fire a shot up into the air. Yeah. Like anybody's wandering by here. There's nowhere to wander by. You're going to this house or you're not. It's the middle of the night, too, is the other thing.

It's not like some people are going out fishing or something. What the fuck is going on here? He's making all kind of racket. None of the non-neighbors might hear it. No shit. Well, in this area, they just figured it was a raccoon out in the cans and they don't even think twice about it. Jesus Christ.

Yeah. They burned down the other house in the area. There was one other house. There's no neighbor. They burned it to the fucking ground. There's nothing here. She's bookended by a crick and a rail. There's nobody there.

I feel like we don't need a lookout here, probably. I think we can do whatever we want to do yeah probably safe so that's i found that fucking hilarious that that's what he says he's stayed there in case anybody came up which i don't believe him honestly that's i don't believe that was the plan he said once he heard eugene making some noise quote well i got scared and left well that's not good you are bad at this sir you're the bad guy why are you scared who are you scared of i'm scared you have a gun what are you scared of yeah i guess i don't like raccoons though they're scary they got rabies you know and they're hard to shoot so if i'm in the dark and i'm a bad guy there might be other bad guys in this dark i gotta go maybe that noise wasn't eugene maybe

it was another bad guy we don't know yeah i mean could have been anybody i mean i don't know what the hell's going on you could have had the odds of two bad guys in the same spot maybe it was dirty diana i don't know what the hell's going on what's happening here there's a lot of michael john saxon song characters coming up here and i said i won't stop till i get it up and i was just like you know i'm i'm done with this shit and i'm out of here you know what i mean i don't know who i was scared of him or the man in the mirror i couldn't tell i said i think i'm scared of the mirror because these days i can't tell whether i'm black or white even so i don't even know i don't know what's going on now. I do know that this whole situation is bad.

I got to go. It all seems bad. I said, I'm going to get out of here. And I sang that Free Willy song and jumped over the crack. It all seems bad. I got to jam. Oh, Jesus Christ. Oh, Michael Jackson's fun.

He did a great job. Thank God he's got so many songs this is a that's the thing he's got 80 fucking thousand songs we can really go through catalog we could do that all night really i told him i told him i'll be there you know okay just call my name and i'll be there i'll be just call my name i'll be there abc one two three y'all have a good one in there all right then oh no shit so um anyway i got scared i got scarred and left, went back down the railroad track across the creek. And and just as I and then there's an ellipsis. So he's just kind of trails off during all this time. He was making all kind of noise, kicking or something, kicking or something. I'm not sure on the building building so he was kicking somewhere on the

building and when i got behind the pumping station above the saint above the john school there i heard a shotgun blast and i waited there maybe five minutes and eugene thompson joined me okay so that's his story i came up stopped at the barrel you know fucking sang the entire thriller album watched zombies perform of court well choreographed fucking thing out in the woods heard kicking on the door probably kicking soon michael jackson had turned into the thriller zombie and i ran away so he ran away got up to the pumping station through the crick and heard a shotgun blast hung out there with his rifle in his hand by the pumping station. And next thing you know, here comes Billy Jean joining him.

All is done. Okay. All is well. Now we head back to the car? Well, he said that he and he said, yeah, they went back to the car and him and Sykes and Billy Jean all proceeded up Caney Creek where they buried the shotgun and threw away his shoes that he threw away. Christian threw away his shoes as well. I'm impressed they have them. I was going to say, I feel like he was just like, my feet feel like they're in a prison.

He didn't even go in the house. It had nothing to do with evidence or anything. He was just like, I can't wear these shoes no more. I didn't want to leave my toe prints on the ground, but now I'm done now. Boy, I'm throwing these shoes out. You ever put those socks on that have like the toes? No, never. That's probably what they feel like.

Because those things are awful. They're like little mittens for your feet. They're horrific. They're so bad. Who decided? There have been socks and mittens and gloves for thousands of years now. Right. The last five.

Do you think that that wasn't tried in the beginning when someone made mittens? You didn't think, oh, I'll make that for feet. And people went, no, these are terrible. And then didn't make them for thousands of years. Whoever came up with that like 20 years ago think that was an original idea that they could, I know, no one's ever tried this before. Like toe socks, and then guess what?

Toe shoes, the worst invention on the planet. Stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid. No. So they buried the shotgun. They did all that. He gets rid of his shoes um you know he's been moonwalking all over that place there could be prints everywhere so then woody said that uh the following evening he went to the trailer to deskin's trailer boone's house there where boone handed him six thousand nine900. What the fuck, man? Now, $100 was withheld.

It was supposed to be $7,000, see what I mean? But $100 was withheld for a revolver that he had given to Christian. Wait, what? Minus supplies. Minus the supplies that I gave you to kill my wife. That cost you. You got your own expenses. What the fuck?

It's a tax purposes thing write them off on your jesus christ do i have to tell these fucking hillbillies everything don't even know how to write goddamn business expenses off you fucking bastard expenses of a weapon jesus he took it out he's a cheap bastard is what he is that's what i mean see what i'm saying he's just seems like a cheap scheming bastard. You'd be like, really? Really, bro? Really?

You'd charge me a dollar for the bullets too, you piece of shit. We used one of them. So Woody divides the money with Billie Jean and Sykes. So there you go. All divvied up. Gladys, we'll find out about her here. July 12th, 1971. She doesn't show up for a hearing that day. There's a divorce hearing that day. So it's kind of important that it happened on the 11th. The day before. The day before. She was supposed to

appear with her attorney and with counsel there for Boone also before the master commissioner of Pike County for further divorce proceedings. Is that a job? That's a job. Master commissioner. The master commissioner of Pike County. She failed to show up for this. So her lawyer called, tried to call other people. So they called like former neighbors that she knew and asked if they would go over there

and check on her. They go over there. They check on her. They open the door. Nothing seems amiss in the house. They go down to her bedroom and they find her still in bed. Oh. Soaked in blood.

Oh, no. Wearing her nightclothes. You can really tell there's a problem because half of her head isn't there. Jesus. She only has half a head from a shotgun blast to the head. Literally took half of her head off. Absolutely horrific, horrific, horrific photos, obviously, of this. And not only that, she was stabbed 13 times as well.

Why? Which seems like either way that's overkill, right? I mean, both are too much you have to assume the stabbing came first probably because if you i would imagine if you took half of someone's head off you'd be like that should do it they don't have you know most of their skull and half of their brain that should probably do the trick i don't really need to stab them where unless unless it's a hillbilly who's never murdered anybody and the shotgun blast and then they see that the body's still moving you know maybe maybe it seems more likely that they stabbed a whole bunch of times and was like holy shit they're still alive you

know what i mean and then just boom took the fucking head off that's the logical progression for me is uh she didn't die right away because people don't die right away from stab wounds takes a while to bleed out you You got to bleed out, yeah. Even if someone gets their throat cut, I almost said like even if you cut someone's throat, like we're cutting throats all the time. Last time I was cutting this guy's throat, let me tell you something. It took a while for him to bleed out. I was getting impatient, if I'm being honest with you.

I had an appointment to get to. I was like, let's go. He drowned before he bled out. It was crazy. appointment to get to i was like let's go he drowned before he bled out it was crazy so a pathologist would testify that she was stabbed 13 times in the back neck and arms jesus also her ribs were fractured from like possibly a shotgun like the butt of the shotgun beaten in her ribs and um she was shot in the back of the head with the sawed-off shotgun so it took off like the whole top back of her head.

Fucking brutal. So they ended up burying the shotgun and the knife in a creek bed. The other creek there split up the money. And that's how it ended up going down. So his wife is found dead in very suspicious circumstances. Obviously murdered. By the way, nothing is stolen from the house not a thing so yeah it's not like oh this was a oh it's she's in the middle of nowhere a

60 year old lady in an isolated place by the railroad tracks anybody could come in with a bindle and murder her and take her shit nobody took shit okay so that's interesting so that two days later okay two days you think boone would be laying low at this point? You'd think, yeah. No. Two days later, he decides he's going to sue the state. For what? He files a lawsuit two days later.

It's a lawsuit against the Franklin Circuit Court, in Franklin Circuit Court, against the former chairman of the State Alcoholic Beverage Control Board and its three present members, the director of field activities, and the three field agents or investigators for the board who are responsible for an illegal arrest and what he calls the illegal seizure of his property. I will take my booze back, please. He seeks $25,000 collectively against the group for their actions and their failure to return his personal property belonging to him and seized in connection with all of this shit. Okay. So that's what he said.

Now, what ends up happening is the judge ruled that everything was seized unlawfully. Oh. Oh. Yeah. So he files the suit. The judge says that they arrested him on April 4th and 5th, two different days, accused him of transporting alcoholic beverages. Like we said, he gets acquitted of those charges. And they said that he had the police had not obtained a search warrant, although they had sufficient time to do so. And without the evidence there illegally obtained with no warrant, there was no case against him.

Fascinating. They held that there was plenty of time to get a search warrant, insufficient evidence for search and seizure. It was claimed the board did not return the personal property of the truck and the booze at all to him. truck and the booze uh at all to him and um in failing to comply they said that they maliciously and willfully and with wanton disregard for the rights of deskins um so they ended up giving him fifteen thousand dollars fascinating it's fucking crazy um so he ends up basically making double his murder money off of the state yeah from a couple days later. He's like, that's great when the state pays to kill your wife. That's wonderful. And some despair.

Oh, got my money back. More than broke even. That's good. That's good. So they said, by virtue of the judgment of dismissal in the Mason County Court, Deskins is not required to prove anew that he was in lawful possession of his personal property at the alleged time of the seizure. So there you go.

The court has required Deskins to incur a $1,000 legal fee and future fees of $6,000 for the purpose of reobtaining a reasonable value of his wrongfully seized personal property. Now, later on in the year, he is convicted of the tractor theft oh that's they don't believe any of his bullshit story um yeah the guy said he never paid me he just came we negotiated a price and then he the tractor was gone and that was that and then it came back one day so no he never paid me shit he is sentenced to you sir may fuck off one year in prison so one year in prison for boone on the unbelievable on a tractor theft charge here pretty sweet gig not bad not bad so also in late 1971 the band has broken up billy jean and woody and sykes they're all going their separate ways now they

don't hang out anymore. You know, you lose touch with people after you murder with them. It's tough, you know. So Woody, in late 1971, is in a federal prison, a federal penitentiary in Indiana. Yeah, and he doesn't want to be there. No, he's on a stolen vehicle charge at this point. So his father, Edward, persuaded him to confess to the murder because he had told his dad about it so he persuades him i'm going to confess about it he wants to his conscience was bothering him he said he wanted to confess about it um apparently they the father kind of

brokers a deal between him and the state's attorney to have him testify against everybody in exchange for immunity. Oh, full immunity. Okay. I can't be punished for this, but I'll tell you all about it. I'll tell you all about it. So, um, yeah, they said that, uh, it's fucking crazy. He said he confessed to the whole crime and, uh, they said, quote, this is the investigator. I guess it was just just bothering him and we had quite a bit of evidence at that time um he didn't even know i was going to talk to him they did not have a deal they did not have a deal to my knowledge so that's what the guy says at the time he goes i came up and talked to him and he had talked to me first so another guy said that he investigated weapons cases and said that Woody feared for his life and agreed to testify against the other guys in exchange for federal protection and immunity on weapons charges as well.

So he's got state immunity, apparently, for the murder. And then he's also getting federal immunity for the weapons charges that would result from that murder as well. So covering all of his bases here. So, yeah, he confesses. He told the story like we told it earlier. And Boone Deskins, of course, and Billy Jean and Robert Sykes are all indicted on murder charges. Oh, boy. As well as Woody.

Woody's indicted as well. Woody's in trouble, too. He's indicted, but we'll talk in trouble too he's indicted but we'll talk about it how that ends up happening so um the problem is too there's corroborating evidence of this where the night of the murder sykes was seen with woody and billy jean by the assistant chief of police uh-oh not good saw the three together between 10 and 11 o'clock on the night of the murder it was right before they went to murder her saw them on the way it was patrol uh the another patrolman uh a different guy also saw them together that night

they're just running around near the cops all night that's it and then yet a third police officer said that he saw sykes driving with thompson and christian in the car between 10 30 and 11 30 on the night of the murder as well so they found the most popular mechanic in town that all the cops know three different cops well these are the they're all getting arrested all the time so they all know who these fucking guys are it's like those these are the three guys you keep an eye on and they're like why are they all together well easier to keep an eye on. And they're like, why are they all together? Well, easier to keep an eye on them,

I guess. Every cop seen him tonight. So they're charged. Boone is charged with murder as well. Okay. For conspiracy. Oh yeah. Conspiracy paid for it.

Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Boone is now Boone and Robert Sykes somehow get bonded out. They get, they're free on bond. Whereas the other two are still in jail because they have other charges pending on them as well.

So somehow they're free on bail. Enter Archel Davidson. These people's names, Archel. Is that the full name of Archie? Archel. Archel, and they just call you Archie? Archel Davidson. I've never heard that as a name.

No, and I never heard. What was the other one? Grested or Gerstle or something. I've never heard any of these names as names. What's happening, Eastern Kentucky, fucking West Virginia? What is Groundhog for breakfast? Guy's named Archel. I can't take it anymore.

What the fuck is your problem over here? Perhaps it's all the groundhog in your diet that you think that's a word. Maybe that's what it is. They're probably full of parasites that are now inside of you in your brains. How drunk are your parents when you're born? They're like, just name him Archul. Did you say Archie or Archul? You heard me.

Your name's Archibald, sir. Do you want him Archibald Jr.? Is that what you want? It's Archul. He said? You heard me. Your name's Archibald, sir. Do you want him Archibald Jr.? Is that what you want? It's Archel. He said name him Archel. I don't know. Just write it down. Sir, what did you say?

You fucking heard me. They're going to call him like Junior or fucking, you know. They're not going to call him that anyway. Yeah, they're going to name him some other bullshit anyway. It doesn't matter. Call him Woody or some bullshit. You fucking heard me. Archel here.

Now, Deskins, he's up for murder charges, but he's out so he can do all this shit. He contacts Archel. Archel Davidson is an employee of the, okay, we've got to get deep here. This is some hillbilly shit. This is like the mayor coming to the crime scene in that one or like things like that the prosecutor the county prosecutor is a part-time job here okay yeah so they have other business interests these prosecutors which is what you want you want a lawyer who's got a side gig you want the guy really giving a shit here so he drives he does door dash at night

it's no big deal so he's got a side hustle yeah so he he's the um he's the county prosecutor this guy works for him not in the county prosecutor's office but archel davidson works for him in his other gig anyway uh deskins offered archel davidson six hundred dollars if he could obtain copies of the prosecutor's records in the case now most of those you'll get from discovery first of all that's called yeah you get that for free listen fucking vincent gambini over here um my cousin vinnie you don't have to fucking charm the the discovery hunting with them but they want all the records that he wants everything he wants like private shit that they shit that they don't give you basically because there's a skull yeah on everything yeah get me the shit that's gonna exculpatory shit so anyway the employee here

is archel davidson He contacted the prosecutor about this. Rather than do it, he said, I better contact the prosecutor because I don't want to get in trouble. So he does here. So now the prosecutor works up a bunch of fake records and gives them to him. He goes, yeah, go over and give them to him. Give him this and wear this wire while you're doing it, by the way. Give him the white pages wearing this. It's amazing.

Just gives him a bunch of bullshit, you know. So anyway, Archel Davis is an employee of Francis Dale Burke. Francis Dale Burke is a county prosecutor slash coal business owner. He's also running coal. Your prosecutor runs the coal fucking what? No. No. Does he run a mine or is it just like acquisition and brokerage?

A coal business is all I see. He works in the coal business. Does it matter? Wholesale coal. Just out of the back of his car. I don't know what's going on. Either way, it's a trunk full of coal here. Archul works for him in that capacity in the coal business, not in the law business.

Very different employees he has in both of those, I'm sure. And he is a friend of him here. Now, Archul is a very trusted friend of Boone Deskins. That's why he goes to him and says, hey, you work for the prosecutor. Can you scan me some records here? Now, Francis is an attorney, like we said, Francis Dale Burke. And he he oh, my God, Jesus Christ. Yeah, he was also the counsel. Not only is he his friend's boss in the coal business and Dale is also or I'm sorry, Francis Dale Burke is also the prosecutor who's been assigned to help prosecute Boone Deskins. So this is so backwards.

Everybody's a somebody. This is not good, man. So that was confusing. I apologize. So they set up for Boone to meet Archul in his trailer on February 18th, 1973. It's like less than a month before Boone's trials to start. Okay. So he's going to give, Boone's going to give Archul $600 for copies of the materials found in the attorney's case. So Archul assures Deskins that he has a daughter-in-law who works in burke's law office

and can get the files that way it's going to be no problem don't even worry about it i got you covered my friend that's on its way so davidson archill makes the arrangement known uh instead to the prosecutor his boss in the coal business. And the prosecutor gives him an envelope containing documents that have nothing to do with anything. On the same morning, Archul meets Sergeant Marion Campbell of the Kentucky State Police who tapes a microphone and radio transmitter

under his clothing. So now he's wearing a wire. So Archul goes to the trailer and has the ensuing conversation because we have the the transcripts of it and i'm i'm not making fun anybody i'm this is exactly i'm saying shit exactly how it's written exactly how it was said so that's how this goes here um yeah this is uh here he starts out this is archel i'll just do archel and boone as you guys archel i've read woody christian statement here on this thing i've got the i've got the hospital but she didn't get it all

she didn't get all the that's the daughter the daughter-in-law didn't get all the shit i know because i didn't get to talk to her but there's some shit right here and i want you to read there's some shit right here yeah in this documents i want you to read quote i wish we were doing this together i know it's there's only short lines of the other otherwise we would otherwise i would have given you a copy and we would have done it we would have done so much fun we would have done a murder piece theater yeah yeah but it's it's very short replies it wouldn't have been much. It would have been great. Yeah, it would have still worked. Yeah, next time we'll do it.

That's all right. He said, that son of a bitch had told about the first time he was ever about the house was burnt over there and how you paid him. I repeat, that son of a bitch had told about the first time that he was ever about the house that was burnt down over there and how you paid him. I don't know what any of that means that's how people are talking just on a recording and they were talking with their friend so this is that's the normal way of language around here that son of a bitch

so boone then says quote what i paid him yeah you're indignant um and archel says over at the ice plant and who was with him all uh all about anything you and then boone cuts him off and says who was with him there wasn't nobody with him oh so now archel says now right here is woody christian's evidence most important part of it all and you sit down you sit right down and read it so you check all this out right here buddy so then boone says well that's about all they got here and uh archel says well right there is what you want right there there's what you want right there that's about all you got right here well that's about right there is what you want right there and then we should have done it and then boone says yeah what would a christian told right there how many right there's are we gonna say what the fuck is going on this would have been great

just just say it all one take done one take done not explain any of it have no one understand what the fuck we're talking about that would have been great jesus christ man right there right there right there well that's about what they got here well that right there is what you want right there yeah that's what a christian told right there yeah that's what woody christian told right there that's the line back and forth okay and it's like it's like it's like old boy standing over his shoulder pointing at the words on the paper right there right there right there yeah it's right here no right there right here right there right there you ain't heard me right here's what woody's got right there well shit it's right there Get why you don't understand that. So, yeah. I wish I was there.

I want to see that scene. Well, you don't have the shit. I didn't give it to you. No, no. I mean, I wish this was videotaped. Oh, wow. I was like, what are you talking about? Right where?

Right there? Where do you want to be? You're right there. I'll be right here. Watch it right there. I could kick you from here. No, there i could kick you not here i'm gonna kick you right there from here understand yeah but i want to be right there watching this right here wait right there right there right there i don't care all right then come on over here i want to watch them do it so i do so fucking bad i wish it was it wasn't just audio tape

videotape i want to see if either of them were confused that's what i want to see was there one eyebrow like just furrowed brow of like what's that now who's on first yeah that's what it is who's on first yeah that's what it is so uh yeah what woody christian told right there and then archel says quote they ain't got no case against you they ain't got nothing they ain't got nothing said that you ever done anything just what he told they ain't got nothing said that you ever done anything just what he told which is they got someone who said they ain't got nothing said that you ever done anything what the fuck do those words mean together they ain't got nothing said that you ever done anything watching you try to put those words i can't because they don't matter. It hurts.

It hurts. My brain is like, I don't know if you ever got this right up by your eyes. I have like these little dancing stab wounds in my eyeballs. You know what it is, James? It's because you have some high school and they don't. That's what it is. I'm in the some high school territory. This is the 7% with no high school.

I'm like, this ain't what they taught in the 10th grade. And're like 10th grade don't go up that high book boy oh listen to mr book learning over here mr fancy pants book learning well why don't you educate me as to how i ain't speaking the queen's english go ahead and do it tell me me more, Mr. Scholastic Weekly. Mr. 10th grade social studies is going to come in and tell me all of it. Come on now, fancy boy. Tell me everything you learned when he was skipping school in the 11th grade, never going to class. Tell me all about it now. Scholastic reader.

Tell me about all them fucking reading books you participated in when you was little tell me all about them the book fairs i go to the hillbilly fair that's my fair so they ain't got nothing said that you ever done nothing just what he told right meaning woody i believe is the he in that meaning they've got somebody that told i think woody said something then uh boone says just the money and uh archel says yeah just the money and then boone says quote hell yes well i knowed that was yeah trails off and then says had to be true anyhow hell yes well i knowed that was had to be true anyhow okay i don't understand that this to me is more this must be like in the 80s when they would do like john

gatti's phone conversations and they were like we don't understand any of this and we had to like they had to translate all this i feel like i need like a hillbilly translator i need a guy with no shoes and overalls sitting next to me and go oh no that's nothing now let me tell you what that means now and going over it right there right there and pointing it out to me so i'm fucking confused of what happened right there um apparently that was incriminating evidently that's enough they throwed away the key from what i understand in court they were like there it is smoking gun i don't know what the fuck that is apparently that in that language that's a confession i don't know he could have done that shit in mandarin chinese and i would have fucking had a better idea what he was talking about but that is apparently that holds up in court there you go done and done holds up holy christ kentucky get

it together so they had this is crazy man what the fuck this isn't even kentucky's fault like i said they carved out this corner and were like give it to to those fucking people. We'll be over here. Like, the rest of Kentucky, I feel like, is even looking over there going, y'all don't go to Pike County. They're like, oh, shit, no. Jesus Christ. That's over by Mingo. We don't have no part of that shit. That is a different area, I feel like.

It's unbelievable. This is a very specific area right here. So this went on. They recorded more that day that we don't have and also he came back the next day to record more and talk about it okay so but apparently that was the most criminating incriminating part was that part right there that's the part that they played they're gonna play that for the jury and they can't wait oh once they hear that then they're going no right there right there that's what they said he knowed it he knowed it and i heard several right there's which i feel like

is so um yeah this is uh this is to demonstrate that their deskins was had a plan and that you know they're talking about the plan and that he also tried to this is another crime to try to obtain files illegally from somebody who knows someone who works in the prosecutor's office. So that's another crime they can charge him with. So 1973, here's Boone's trial. Woody Christian testifies that he and Sykes received $7,000. And they gave Thompson about $2,400 out of that since he's the trigger man. And then they split the other.

They gave him the extra $100. Yeah, he got the lion's share. He got the most of it. So Sykes is going to testify now. He's the wheel man, as we remember here. He's the mechanic out there tightening the pistons. That's not a thing. No, not at all. That's why I it it's ridiculous it's ridiculous he's got driving gloves

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It's not going to run right. She's going to run rich. Let me just fix this up quick. And they're like, get in the fucking car. It's a little fat hold on hold on one minute now jets are too big i don't i don't like the sound of you hear that y'all hear that get fucking in the car we just murdered a lady it's got a real blubber at top end i don't see it's got that plop plop i don't like that this car ain't supposed to sound like that plop plop it's got like a chop to it that it just shouldn't be with this kind of car should have more rattle y'all it's more of a it's more of a consistent rattle this is like a chop and i don't know if there's

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on Wondery Plus. Join Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts. Holy shit. Real quick right there. So, now everybody, Woody says he was there. Eugene Thompson's got another story. He's got a story that

he was there, but it was all Woody Christian ran amok and just went nuts right now robert sykes says not only was i not in the house i wasn't even in the state that day i don't know what the i know that i was seen by three police officers on that day was three separate police officers with the two people but you know who else were i was in michigan as a matter of fact that's where i was i was in michigan it's an awfully long way away he that's why he's how could i possibly have murdered he said i was in detroit on that day oh which is very different from here extremely different he said that on that day he testified in court that he and his

brother ernest sykes which i just picture ernest yeah ernest ernest yeah we're with that hat and everything he fits right into this area you know what i mean burn and he's yep we know what you mean he maybe he ernest could translate that for us that tape now he's saying this now here are my brother and his little dog rimshot we were up there oh baby i'll tell you what so he said we were in detroit having arrived there between 8 and 9 a.m that day so how the hell could we have killed anybody he said he had about 500 on him that day it was an accumulation of money received from cashing his unemployment checks obviously right and that he well that means he had a job at some point which is impressive i'm

shocked for these people and that he had bought two cars as well. I don't know what that had to do with anything. So he had 500 bucks there. He showed papers during the testimony to show he had purchased one car. But this is, well, he was there. He goes, I went up to Detroit, bought a couple of cars that day.

He said, though, he misplaced the purchase papers, the receipt and everything for the second car i don't know where those are but first car see clearly says what date i was there obviously yeah couldn't have wrote that in with my own hand or had somebody else just write up a form saying i bought a car right that's impossible that was all printed off of uh your honor i mean i could no one could write a form could they i, that's outside the scope of reality. You ride the date down, and there it is right there. There's the date.

No one could forge that or ride a different date ever. So he denied receiving any money from anybody in this case. Woody didn't give me money. I didn't get anything from Boone. I know nothing. get anything from boone i know nothing uh mrs dorothy charles who um who uh it was in michigan who lived in michigan said that robert sykes uh who was a friend of her husband visited their home near detroit on the morning of july 12th she is there to alibi him up she said she remembered the visit uh because it was on the day she was preparing for the birthdays of her daughter and her daughter's husband.

So she knows it was the 12th. Specific day, yeah. Obviously he wasn't there. Never mind the two corroborating witnesses and the three police officers who saw him there. Never mind that. So Boone testifies on his own behalf. Well, you have to, right? Not in this one.

This is one where you definitely shouldn't. But he does because he is an arrogant asshole who feels like he can manipulate the situation from the stand. He's that kind of guy. Well, James, he's well-versed in all the evidence that they have. So, yeah, I'll go up there. I mean, yeah, he's got it all here. So he testified concerning the taped conversations with archel and uh yeah he he said that um he did not deny participating in the conversations on the

tapes because they played him for the jury but he claimed that it was archel who initiated the sale of the information he said hey buddy you want to buy prosecutor records for six hundred dollars and i was like well i mean if you got them, I guess. I mean, why not? He said that they did, that Archul did most of the talking and that he claims the tapes were misleading and could very easily be misinterpreted. That's the only true thing he said. They could definitely be misinterpreted because I don't know. You could tell me he said anything and I go, oh, all right, that's what that means.

You can interpret that any way you want. Really? Yeah. He could have said, I'm really looking forward to Dustin Lynch this weekend. Yeah. Dustin Lynch. Yeah. I can't wait for the cotton bowl.

He could have said anything and I wouldn't have known what the fuck it was. He also declared that he knew nothing about the killing of his wife and denied paying $7,000 to these other men. I don't even know these guys what are you talking about he even said that he quote barely knew woody christian and sykes and that he didn't know thompson at all not even heard of them yeah so how could i have done this i don't even know these people um the jury it's an 11 men 11 man one woman jury so i think boone's like that's right they get the men will

understand trying to take my trying to take my land and then people saying you shoot your wife they'll understand get as many men as you can on the jury i guarantee you he said that strike all them women they're gonna be against me a lot of men with a lot of land that have been married around about 40 years just if you could get like a old guys if you could uh we could wear the same brand overall i feel like we'd have a connection that we really understand uh they find him after all this guilty of fucking murder you dumb shit yeah you had people testifying that yeah you gave me money and then you had the tapes you were fucked dude uh sentencing comes around and they say to you he's what 69 at this point in time you sir may fuck off life in prison with parole yeah but he's 60 fucking 69 years old so i

mean it's like 25 years we're talking i don't know it's a long time how that's gonna work uh 74 is when billy jean and sykes are going to be tried. They're all tried separately, by the way. Everybody tried separately. Now, the Sykes trial is pretty fucking hilarious, too. These people are all insane that we're dealing with here. They're all fucking insane. This whole case, I was looking at it going, is this real?

This is like a crazy. This is a silly movie is what this is, except for the woman with half a missing head this is silly so um until 75 sykes was already in federal prison in marion illinois for other shit you know how that goes yeah uh weapons convictions from not even this case from a totally separate case mind you of course oh by the way woody christian when he turned him when he told the cops and all that he took them to the site of the buried weapons and found them all so they have the murder weapons now they have all this shit yeah not good so uh yes sykes by the way sykes in addition to federal weapons charges that he's in prison for he was also charged in kentucky

because remember he was out on bail right him uh yeah he's also charged in kentucky from 1973 with arson obstructing justice and unlawful imprisonment and also being a habitual criminal oh you got that's the worst charge that is so bad yeah you're just you are you're not even we're gonna call you a criminal that's your that's what you are that's your label tag these charges with another one called being a complete and total fuck up yeah we go barber lawyer criminal those are your professions that's what you are that's what that means that's and you get charged for being that yeah well that's a crime too by the way to be such an asshole we don't allow that sort of a level of assholery around these parts it's an extra bit an amount of stank that we're going to rub on all this oh we're going to rub the stank on you don't worry about that

now criminal prior to the trial there's a hearing held in the judge's chambers now sykes moves sykes himself not as legal team and i'll explain he shouldn't be making any legal motions but he does probably not yeah he moves that his lawyers johnson and roland these two lawyers be discharged from him as counsel he doesn't like him he said that they're inexperienced in criminal trials and he then had this exchange with the judge oh boy this is where we need it this is amazing quote i am ready to let the court your honor proceed without them and without me i will be no party to this trial you don't need my lawyer's army fuck this i'm out the judge says oh yes you will too is what the judge says oh yes you will do like a little kid yeah um then sykes says

yes your honor i will be here but i will be moot and i will let you try the case and will have no part in it because my witnesses are not here the commonwealth has got my witnesses here at the at this time has not got my witnesses here at this time. So he's saying they didn't bring me my witnesses because my lawyers suck. So discharge them and I'll just sit there and you have a trial about me while I sit there and watch. I'll be moot.

I've never heard a person describe themselves as moot. I'll just be moot. I've heard I'll just sit there. Yeah, no, moot. He said moot. I'm sure he meant yeah no moot he said moot I'm sure he meant moot but he said moot maybe he meant moot who knows

maybe that's how you say moot in Kentucky I have no idea in eastern hill Kentucky I'm gonna be yeah she a moot a what a moot she don't talk get the shit out your ears speak English Jesus Christ right there right there right there god

damn it jesus christ shit out your ears boy come on now so there is a witness obviously there is direct corroboration here uh the testimony of walter hammershoy he testified that he took a car ride to virginia with sykes and he said quote sykes said he'd done it and said something about a certain amount of money he received and i told him to shut up and that i didn't want to hear it shut up shut up don't be telling me about that uh they they asked him quote walter the hammer show have you in the past had occasion to travel or run around with robert sykes yes i had quite often at any time any place have you heard robert sykes made any statement about his involvement in that crime i did in virginia whereabouts i just want you to explain and uh where were you and who was with you and what was

said on en route from grundy virgin Virginia to Hacey, I guess, we was drinking a little bit while they're driving from one place to another. And Robert had earlier convinced me he had nothing to do with it. And then Sykes said he had done it and something about a certain amount of money he received. And I told him to shut up and I didn't want to hear it. So why the fuck did you ask him about it? He asked him about it to begin with. And then when he told you about it, he said, shut up and i didn't want to hear it so why the fuck did you ask him about it he asked him about it to begin with and then when he told you about it he said

shut up i don't want to hear about it shut up you're a shit friend don't ask and then i and then i testified so i'm asking for stories you don't want to hear yeah jesus christ so um now Jesus Christ. So now at this time, this is the crazy part here. This time, William Eugene Thompson, he testifies and he said that he was in Gladys' home. He had a sawed off shotgun, but he said he didn't have any intent to murder Gladys. He broke into a strange woman's home with a shotgun, didn't steal anything, but had no intent to murder her. Why'd you break in? For what?

He put himself in the crime scene with the murder weapon and then said, didn't do it. But I didn't do it. He said what had happened was, he said, I was holding it and we were standing there and we were like, what do we do? And it accidentally just went off you know the guns sometimes just go off and just it was like pulp fiction when he you know in the back and he's like oh shit i shot marvin in the face it was one of those except it was the back of the head and most of it came off and i was like oh shit damn it well i guess i tripped over the rug you see you see that in for a penny in for a pound then i stabbed her 13 times except he said that uh woody stabbed her 13 times then accidentally

gunshot to the head took half her head off and then woody's like i need blood and like you know went down and just stabbed the fuck out of her mr wolf showed up and told us we had to stab her yeah he said you know then clean it up and uh i got him all sorts of cleaning materials and uh tell you what the the upholstery of the car looked better than it did to begin with it was nice so uh the jury is gotta hear all this robert sykes these poor people uh they say well uh you are guilty first of of all, motherfucker. You weren't in Michigan and all this shit. Get the fuck out of here. You, sir, may fuck off. Life in prison as well for you.

Oh, boy. Life, life so far. Two for two. Now, next up is Billy Jean. Okay. William Eugene Thompson. He is the character of this whole group we're going to find out, Billy Jean. He is not your lover.

group we're gonna find out billy jean he is not your lover so um he takes a stand in his own defense of course and denies all of woody christian's testimony of what he said of he went in the house i heard a shotgun blast he came out whatever all that shit and uh he said not only is it bullshit what he's saying but i know why he's saying it. Why? I know why. We had a fight four days prior to the killing because I was dating his wife. Wait, what? Billy Jean was fucking Woody's wife. Yeah. And he said they got in a big fight four days prior to the murder about Billie Jean fucking his wife.

So he went and murdered somebody to frame me. Well, Billie Jean was her lover is the thing. That's the problem. So he was her lover. And then this is the problem here. Yeah. So he said that I didn't do nothing. And then Woody's mad.

So he's framing me. Okay. That's the story. The jury thinks about it for about two hours on this one. Two hours of deliberation. And they find him guilty of conspiracy to murder. And they sentence him to, you, sir, may fuck off life in prison. Okay. We're getting there.

Everybody's got all their shit there okay so 1975 uh deskins boone appeals his case obviously he really he wants he wants somebody to re-look at this he wants it to get look at under a closer eye i think a little microscope action here you want us to listen to that tape again well he says that it was prejudicial error for the commonwealth to introduce the evidence at trial uh which had not been produced in pre-trial discovery uh the evidence which is subject to this contention consists of the tape recordings because they didn't have them in pre-trial because they happened after pre-trial that's the point so you didn't have them yet they were about pre-trial he wanted all the documents after that so it's pretty funny that he was using that as a thing.

The trial court had a hearing in chambers out of the presence of the jury on the introduction of the tapes and evidence. He permitted the counsel for Deskins to examine the police officer about the manner of the recording of the tapes. They call it recordation, which I've never seen before. What? Recordation. I've never seen that. We've been in podcasting, radio, movie, all this shit. I've never seen before. What? Recordation. I've never seen that. We've been in podcasting, the radio, movie, all this shit. I've never heard of recordation.

Do you have the recordation? I've never heard that. It's recording. Thank you, Kentucky. Jesus Christ. What's that word? Let them post recordation. What's that word for something that's recorded?

What's that? Recordation. That's what it is. Wow. Holy shit. And we had the tapes played in the presence of Deskins and his counsel. And so they said, we deem it appropriate to show in more detail the relationship between Archel and Deskins regarding the subject of the recorded conversations.

Because they're like, this wasn't just some guy off the street that came in with this recording. They're longtime friends, and the court records said, quote, had the same tendency toward greed. That's why he trusted. Deskins wanted the files of the Commonwealth. Davidson wanted $600. They struck a bargain and each lived up to it. Deskins was conversing with a person known to him and whom he recognized.

He had no guarantee that Davidson would not reveal what he said, and his attempt to interfere with the processes of the trial court and obtain papers illegally from the Commonwealth's files was admitted by Deskins, for he stated he delivered the files to his counsel. Deskins testified that his attorneys were aware of the files filched from the commonwealth gross jesus and that he delivered the documents to his attorneys i really want to know who wrote this fucking they all have their own personality the people that write these decisions they put their own like little spin on it right like in the the one about uh uh woody it says um it's only between him and his god what made him come forward or some shit i'm like that wasn't really necessary they put their own stank on it so um yeah he said deskins insisted to that his attorneys told him that the documents were worthless um he further testified that when his counsel received the documents they laughed at it

said they were worthless yet he was most anxious to receive further documents on the day preceding the commencement of the trial. Right. He got the fake documents, brought them to his lawyers. Lawyer said, these are garbage. And then he went, I'll get more. I'll be right back. I'll get more tomorrow.

Yeah. Um, so yeah, so they're delivered to him by Davidson. There was no obligation on the part of the Commonwealth to contact either Deskins or his counsel to advise them when it was obvious that the tapes were used simply to corroborate the evidence of the witness Davidson. The character of the tapes in question is such that Deskins was attempting to subvert the ordinary process of justice by stealing the files from the Commonwealth. It appeals, it appears from the evidence of record that there is absolutely no conflict as to who made the first contact deskins testified that he contacted davidson

davidson testifies i didn't contact him he contacted me so those are allowed in um the they said that uh yeah there's all these they showed the contacts when the first contact was a month before. They talked first in January, then seriously about it in February, and then actually went through with it in the beginning of March. Wow. So it went on for a couple of months here. So, yeah. Also, he talks about the tapes shouldn't be allowed in, blah, blah, blah. They also, he has another problem here with the photographs.

He said the photographs were too graphic. And they said no. They actually said in here, too, all the photographs were taken at the scene of the crime and revealed the nature of the wounds and the position of the decedent and the news media, 1971 they're talking about, this advanced age, these persons selected as jurors are able to view a picture of the body of a victim of a crime without prejudice to the defendant. Back then, maybe not, but who cares? So either way, they say, you're affirmed. Go fuck yourself and keep on fucking off. Yeah. They said that his rights were not violated at all. You're affirmed. Go fuck yourself and keep on fucking off. Yeah. Yeah.

They said that his rights were not violated at all. He tried to steal records and they caught him. It's all just a sting operation. And the Kentucky Court of Appeals rejected it, saying, quote, in an orderly society, there can be no question that individuals' constitutional rights are not broad enough to allow one charge with a crime a license to poison the very foundation of the judicial process wow you sir can fuck off back to prison get going now 1980 woody still hasn't been to jail for any of this by the way he hasn't right no nothing's proceeded with him uh a judge, Judge Venters, twice sets his case for trial in 1980 in June and then August. So Woody Christian and then Christian's attorney asked that the case be dismissed for lack of a speedy trial.

You know, because it's been nine years. It doesn't happen, though. It stays in the system, but the trial never happens. It's delayed again. It doesn't happen, though. It stays in the system. But the trial never happens. It's delayed again. Wow. Okay.

1981, Boone Deskins is paroled. What? It is a medical parole because he has cancer. Oh. And he is 80 years old. Yeah. So they let him out, and then a month later he dies. So there you go. Boone's dead.

Boone's dead, finally, here. Now, Woody, on the other hand, 1982, Woody again asked that his case be dismissed, and the prosecution objects. If you don't have a case in 11 years, that's it. Let the guy go. Let it go. Not that he should be let go, but you fucked up to the point where you don't really have any credibility left anymore when it's been 11 years. It's a constitutional right. Speedy trial is a thing.

11 years is not speedy. No. I mean, it's great for Woody because if they have a trial 20 years later, where's the evidence? What do you think? They keep the evidence in rural Kentucky all good and sound for 20 years? Witnesses are dead. I mean, Boone's dead. The longer you go, the more advantage that is. I mean, Boone's dead. The longer

you go, the more advantage that is to the defendant. Especially if it's decades. So, 1986, Judge Charles Lowe Jr., by the way, still going on, transfers Woody Christian's case out of his division into another judge's division

thing because he's going to retire. So now, back to Robert Sykes and then we'll go back to Woody. Robert Sykes, he's serving his time. In 1983, he comes from another prison that he was in that we told you about and starts serving this sentence in 1983 or in 1975. By 83, he's been there eight years. He's in a medium security prison. And he gets transferred in July of 1983 to the Bell County Forestry Camp near Pineville. So this is a lot different than prison.

It's a work camp. You work, but no fences. The officers don't carry guns. It's not some guy sitting up in a tower shooting you as you're running in the woods. That's the kill line right there, fellas. There's none of that shit here. It's on the honor system. It's just we're all doing forestry, I guess, for the love of the game.

I don't know what the fuck's going on here. Love of the game forestry. That's the name of this company. That's it right there. love of the game forestry that's that's the name of this company that's that's it right there so uh they had they he's there for about 17 days and then he just walks off into the hills and never comes back y'all mean nobody's watching i'm just gonna go i mean he just left him and some other guy was just like back and just took the fuck off walked off into the surrounding hills which this he knows his hills this guy and uh never comes back yeah they never find him well uh two years

later hilarious they weren't even looking in christmas florida yeah okay okay in orange county deputies and federal agents converge on a of course, a trailer, obviously, in Christmas, Florida. And they knock on the door and they say, you're Robert David Sykes. We're going to arrest you. He says, I'm not Robert. I'm Robert Turner. I don't know who Robert David Sykes is. And then he produces an Ohio driver's license that says he is, in fact, Robert Turner.

And then another occupant of the house said, that's Sykes right there. His real name is Sykes, actually. And they're, oh, good. And they arrest him and take him back to Kentucky and put him back in prison. Okay. He was just living. He got another driver's license. He was living quietly, not fucking doing shit, just laying low in a trailer park in Florida.

And the person that he was living with said no that's that's yeah yeah he must really leave a dirty bathroom or something you know that guy the fuck out of my house out of my fucking house so now billy jean yeah he's gonna become our little star of the show here billy jean uh he ends up back in kentucky in december 1983 because he had all these other charges everywhere so finally in 83 they put him in that's when he's going to start serving his life sentence for the murder for hire of gladys so that's how that goes now he first went to the kentucky state reformatory near lagrange, Kentucky, in January 1984, where he remained until April 2nd of 1986. Okay.

There, then he was transferred to a prison farm. Mays, is that a shot again? So this is a different guy. Different guy. This is Billy Jean. That's Sykes. And a different prison farm. This isn't the forestry camp. Same case. It's a different guy. Different guy. This is Billie Jean. That's Sykes. And a different prison farm. This isn't the forestry camp.

It's a prison farm. Okay. So now, how does a murderer get on the farm, you might be asking? Yeah. Okay. Well, I have the things here. They say the reviews of prisoners' records were conducted every six months to see if change in their status and location is justified. Right.

They did like a review every six months. Go, okay, well, he's been doing pretty well. We can probably transfer him to a lighter security one. This guy's been an asshole. We should transfer him to a worse one. A little prison raise. A prison raise is the equivalent of a little more freedom. A little more.

Exactly. So they said a number of considerations go into the into making the individual transferral decision. They said, including the prisoner's conduct. They said Thompson was uniformly good at LaGrange. The last place he was. The number of escape attempts. Thompson had none. What the original offense was.

That should have weighed heavily. A shotgun murder of a woman in bed with a fucking 13 stab wounds and the length of the sentence and other factors so those way really far not in his favor and the crime he committed and his actual sentence whereas the other things he's fine so points are assigned for each category and a prisoner must have 10 or fewer points to be eligible for transfer to a minimum security facility, such as the Lyon County Prison Farm, where he goes. So at his latest evaluation, he had 10 points, which is the exact bottom, you know, least amount. OK. Most you can have to still be transferred there.

OK. But so he gets transferred to the prison camp. So he's been the last 10 years. He's been in various federal institutions. He's been fucking all over the place. He the one officer here or caseworker said he definitely met all of the guidelines for transfer to a minimum security facility. He really had an unmarred record. I believe he only had one minor

institutional infraction. Other than that, he received meritorious good time and had very good record and no indications of being violent. He's doing great. He's doing great. Fantastic in May of 1986. He's coming along. It's that day

where he is working on the farm and there's a guy there where he is working on the farm. And there's a guy there who's the supervisor of the farm. He's an agriculturist. He's not a prison guard, different kind of guy. He runs this place, and he lives there with his wife and three young children on the farm as well. What? He's got his whole family there. Yeah, yeah.

It's like an old-time warden living on the property situation, except it's a prison farm. It's minimum security. In the 80s living on the property situation, except it's a prison farm. It's minimum security. In the 80s. In the 80s, this is going on. Oh, my God. This isn't 1941. No. You know, yeah. This sounds like life with Eddie Murphy and Martin Lawrence.

Like, that's what I'm picturing, and it's not. It's the 40s. There's not a guy in a white-collar shirt with one of those black, like, tied bow ties. You know what I'm talking about? Like a shoe lace bow tie. Flock of seagulls is out right now. This is like, you know what I mean? This is ridiculous.

Peter Gabriel's making those videos with all the clay shit. Like this is a totally different fucking time. Way different. So they, he lives there and apparently there was a tractor situation. He needed help putting something with a tractor in a trailer. So he asked Billy Jean for help. Yeah. You help me out with this.

So, okay. What ends up happening, by the way, this day is the 12th anniversary of Billy Jean's murder conviction. Oh, my God. It's a special day for a young man. Happy anniversary. It's a special day on the anniversary of your murder conviction, I will say. So there, out of nowhere, there's an off-duty guard at the farm. And before 5 a.m., he noticed a state farm van parked in front of the junior high school in Princeton, about 10 miles away from the farm.

He's a guard at the farm. He's not at work the farm he's not at work and he's like why is there a van from work out in front of the school there so uh yeah that's what he said so um now they look around and uh he called he calls in and says there's a van in france what's up with that what's going on he is missing one imagine that carrying that when you're not working i'd be like well not my fucking problem i don't care what's going on wouldn't you be like i'll ask tomorrow what was up that seems far from where it's supposed to be but i'm gonna go home yeah well what time is fucking arby's open till you know like you're so uh times that dollar general close so they check around the prison and

find out there's they're missing two inmates oh Uh-oh. They're missing Billy Jean Thompson. Of course. And a guy named Cash is the other inmate. Yeah. Or no, not the other inmate. That's the guy. They can't find the agricultural guy, Cash, the guy who lives there with his wife and family. So they can't find the prisoner or the guy they're supposed to find.

At 5.30 a.m., they enter the dairy barn that cash oversaw and they find him in there he's in there um well yeah the day before the crew had to pull start the tractor using a van so uh when the tractor wouldn't start on this day cash backed the van up to the tractor and thompson began hooking them together with a chain. So now Cash is unarmed. He's an agriculturist. He's just hanging out there. When Cash comes around to where Thompson was working, Thompson out of nowhere pops up and starts bashing him in the head with a claw hammer.

Of course. I mean, fucking bashes his head in. Vicious. Well, let's hear the police report here, quote, or the medical report, quote, he struck him in the back of the head, on the right side of the head, on the left side of the head, and on the face. He hit him 12 times with such cruel blows that his skull was shattered. Of course. Unbelievable.

He fucking brained this guy right there in the dairy barn. Got a fan. Outside of it. Yeah, three kids. Probably a thousand feet of here. Guarantee you he's seen these kids, met these kids, knows these kids. Yeah. So then Thompson, Billy Jean, drags Cash's body into the barn and puts some straw on

top of it. That'll do it. So then he took Cash's keys and wallet and pocket knife and hopped in the milk van and drove away. Wow. Takes off. and pocket knife yeah and hopped in the milk van and drove away wow takes off a prisoner who saw the van leaving said that uh they probably went to get the other tractor he thought that it was cash and thompson together going to get a tractor his other probably going to drag the other tractor back here so uh yeah they said the he was really blood spattered here. It was fucking terrible here.

So he said, this is the prosecutor said, the truth is Fred Cash was still alive when he was lying on the ground outside the barn. Still alive when he was dragged into the calf stall. They said about him, he went, about Thompson, he went and straddled the body and placed these three death blows in the back of the head so he did like three to finish him off once he got him in there a pathologist described the cluster of wounds was among 12 on the head and said that quote as the most severe very deep with pieces of brain and skull protruding out of one wound. That is fucked up. He put the hammer through his skull.

Unreal. That's really gross and hard, man. They also pointed out the cocked left leg of Cash, who they described as in the final spasms of life and struggling when the final blows were struck behind the left ear. They said if he had pulled him back there after he died, his leg would have been straight. His leg twitched up, so he dragged him over there and did that. They also noted that he had only been at the farm for 17 days. He is described as white, 5'10", 170 pounds, bearded, tattoos on arms,

and all 10 fingers, which was very rare in the 80s very rare uh wearing green fatigue so this guy stands out like a tattooed thumb never mind a sword thumb a sword thumb so um what he did he apparently took the state van escaped from there drove to princeton remember that's where the van was, where that guy saw it, about 10 miles away. Abandoned the van in Princeton, shaved his beard and cut his goatee and cut his long hair in a gas station restroom, and then purchased a bus ticket to Indianapolis. Now, about 9 a.m., though, that day, he stopped in Madisonville and tried tried to change buses and that's when he was caught they uh they caught him pulled guns on him and he said uh y'all got me was his line so well y'all got me so uh what he did with the problem was they said the first thing that gave

him away was he paid for the bus ticket in one dollar bills the agent thought it was in singles the agent thought it was strange and he notified the police what stripper what hold on a second so it's suspicious to pay for a bus ticket to how much could a bus ticket to indianapolis possibly cost in the 69 singles is a lot. Not in the 80s. It was probably fucking $18. $39, yeah. Like, so what? Who calls the cops over that? That's crazy. Hello, 911. Yeah, I'd like to report some weird singles paying shit.

They pay. It's normally somebody with like a 20, maybe two 10s. He had singles. No, all singles. It was all American currency. That's right. Yeah. Oh, you'll be right down american currency that's right yeah oh you'll be right down to take a report excellent i'll be here waiting you say you're gonna send three deputies with guns drawn thank you so much thank you so much really if you could bring one of them that

little tank thing y'all got down there because that's pretty cool and you never know guns singles paying son of a bitch off the bus. That's what it was, man. So they arrived at the bus station. They send waiting passengers to the back of the place. They recognized him by the tattoos on his fingers. It's not a wise decision if you're trying to blend in in society in the 80s. So the sergeant pulled out a shotgun and Thompson, he walked out and there was a shotgun pointing at him and he said y'all got me that was that was it the singles damn it fucking singles but that's what dude had on him so if the agricultural guy wanted to take a bus and he paid in singles would they call the cops on him too probably what you using them singles for boy i don't know because that's what

i had what are you running from yeah i, I'm just going to see my sister. She lives there. So, yeah, he was on his way to Indianapolis. He was clean-shaven, shaved his beard, mustache. They said, quote, he had tattoos on his arms and hands, and he had on a jacket and heavy shirt, which was kind of suspicious for this time of year, because it's fucking warm out.

He's got it over his prison gear. He also had an open pocket knife in his pocket so he had it open ready to cut somebody and he had his 42 bus ticket 42 bucks 42 singles now that's suspicious i'll tell you something the deputy warden of the work farm said that although the farm had escapes in the past no guards have ever been killed because they don't need to kill someone you can just walk away you don't need to do that right yeah that's why we don't do that um now poor cash the guy who got murdered was he worked there for nine years wow married three children that all work there want to hear the kicker jimmy thompson was eligible for parole on December 21st, 1989.

He had three years left in jail, man. And he's been in jail. Yeah, he's been in jail pretty much for 15 straight fucking years. And he had three years left. And he said, no, I need to get out now by bashing this guy in with this fucking claw hammer. Yeah. The guy who ran the whole place said up until today, he was a good risk. Of course, he proved us wrong. Yeah. By doing that. Yeah, the guy who ran the whole place said up until today he was a good risk.

Of course, he proved us wrong. Yeah, by doing that. They said obviously there'll be additional charges for that. In court, he testifies and he is asked, quote, you couldn't handle that amount of freedom at the farm, could you? Which I think is great. They yelled at him, could you? The defense attorney in his closing argument said that Thompson had no reason to escape and no plan to escape well then why the fuck was he on a bus clean shaven right with a dead guy uh escapes do occur there but no employee's ever been hurt during an escape so if

eugene wanted to escape he could have simply walked off yeah but he didn't but that's the thing why didn't he then that makes it even worse to me if i'm in the jury i'm like so he didn't. But that's the thing. Why didn't he then? That makes it even worse to me. If I'm in the jury, I'm like, so he didn't have to do this and he did it? They just likes, he just has a blood lust? Yeah, let's put this guy away. That's the defense attorney giving up on law. Right? I give up. This is his only way to say that the death, he said it wasn't premeditated.

He said Mr. Cash was killed after he happened to ask Eugene to help hook up the van to the tractor. How could Thompson have known that he was going to be asked to do this? That's his excuse. Obviously, it was spontaneous. How would he have known he was going to have opportunity to murder the man? They find him guilty of murder again. On this here, he is, it's a murder, and they use, in sentencing, they use the Gladys Deskins murder as a statutory aggravator. Sure.

Because he already did that, and sentencing comes around here. His attorney asked Sister Cheryl Clemens, who was a nun who had been in the convent several years ago when Cash was there. I guess they were both in a convent. He was in a priesthood or whatever the fuck, and she was in a convent. They both withdrew, apparently, from it eventually. And she said that she wanted to send a clear message to the jury. I was simply going to say that we had discussed the case and she supports the teachings of the Catholic Church, which is opposed to the death penalty, but she also never wanted him released again. It possibly could have made a difference if the jury had known how Mrs. Cash, the widow of the victim, felt. They don't let her talk, the nun or the widow to say um they don't want him put to death

yeah yeah uh so they don't they don't present that evidence and uh because the defense isn't going to fucking call them right isn't going to call the victim's wife and then the prosecution isn't going to call them up to say spare him so he goes up death penalty on the table and the jury says you sir may fuck off death penalty for you good now he gets the death penalty so yeah i think he blew it yeah i think i mean if anybody's two is one working on earning it he's done it he's earned it fool me once shame on me you know what i mean come on now so uh meanwhile they said that while uh the the commonwealth attorney bill cunningham who did all of this said that while he believes in the death penalty he wants to work for changes in

the kentucky law to change the method from electric chair to lethal injection this is in the 80s mind you he said we've had electrocution since 1911 uh and at the time and at the time it was humane as opposed to hanging but in 1986 it's barbaric we put animals to sleep in was humane as opposed to hanging. But in 1986, it's barbaric. We put animals to sleep in a more humane way than we do human beings. The time has come for a change. A 1984 law, by the way, allows life sentences without the opportunity for parole for 25 years. That's the stiffest sentence since the life without parole sentence was struck from the law books in 1974 in their state. So they could either give him the death penalty or he could probably be paroled

there. So that's that's the difference. So they said that they wanted him. They didn't want him out again. Basically, it was all there was to it. They said that he said, I had a larger concern and that that's all of the corrections officers, he as well so to have him in the extra security would probably better be better also so why was he in that minimum security he had passed all the things the deputy corrections secretary said the guy's adjustment with us was relatively good except for the murder part um jesus christ that's a lot that's don't come out and say that they said i don't know of any prison system state or federal that uh that as a matter of course receives an incarceration report on anybody they receive they probably should jesus christ so 1988 robert sykes uh driver there who

escaped and was found in florida and put back he dies in prison in 1988 okay so he's dead now woody yeah remember woody oh boy do you remember ever hearing woody got convicted of shit or charged yeah nothing his case got delayed in the 80s yeah yeah 1998 holy shit 27 fucking years later yeah a judge comes across the charges in 1998 when he's reviewing languishing criminal cases i would say that's languishing 27 years yeah the judge assigns the christian case for a status conference after he finds it to be pending uh 1999 christian and his attorney file a motion to dismiss the case. Later Christian asked Coleman to enforce the immunity agreement that he said he agreed to. Now he brings up listen bullshit.

They were even having a trial. I was given fucking immunity for this. That's why it keeps getting 27 years. That's why it keeps getting delayed. Apparently every time a judge wanted to put put it out there it would come up the immunity thing and since it was kind of off the books it was kind of a messy situation so they just pushed it off to the next person yeah i don't want to deal with this i don't want to deal with this and then it ends up 27 fucking years later jesus christ so on tooth in 2000 it all comes down to court and in 2000 woody christian pleads guilty to voluntary manslaughter

as part of a plea agreement and is released from prison well he could have been sentenced to between 2 and 21 years in prison um his attorney said sending him to prison at this point really serves no purpose right it's been 28 years he hasn't done anything else to warrant this he hasn't killed anybody else can we say it's fine he said that he's lived a quiet life with his family over the years and he lives with the guilt of the murder and isn't that enough at this point he also said his client that uh thought that because he testified against the other men it would never be brought to trial but a special prosecutor assistant uh district assistant attorney general karen timmel fucking karen's uh argued that there was no such agreement karen she just said no there

wasn't then why the fuck did he do all that um he just felt like being a good citizen what are we talking about at an earlier hearing she recommended that christian received 20 years in prison that's their recommendation to stay in a recent interview, Christian said, Woody Christian said that he asked, he had asked the prosecutor to put their deal in writing back in the day. But the prosecutor refused, saying that if Gladys Deskins family found out, quote, there would be hell to pay. Probably eight years. He said that he said the prosecutor just told him quote i'll take care of you and he said i'd have never gotten up there to testify if i hadn't had some assurance all right why would he yeah his father edward also testified during this hearing that that prosecutor even told

him at least five times that christian wouldn't go to jail if he corrupt if he cooperated the son wouldn't go to jail edward christian the, testified that he brokered the deal. That's why he knows for sure that's what the fucking – I wouldn't have told my son to do it unless they said, hey, you're not going to go to prison if you do this. That's why I fucking told him to do it. Now, a district judge who was a lawyer at the time, according to Supreme Court records, that Runyon told him in 1980 that the case would be taken care of, whatever that means. He further said that when the case came back in 1988, the prosecutor who originally gave the immunity told him to ask for the case to be dismissed and it would go away okay he said just let's have that one go away you don't want to deal with that so this is the prosecutor like i fucked this one up i gave like an off the table deal so let's just uh wow but in an interview they uh this pro this uh judge now said that runyon that who was the

original uh prosecutor never mentioned any immunity deal with this guy. He just said to dismiss it. Jesus Christ, man, this is fucking crazy. So in 2000, yeah, a 2000 hearing is held to determine if Christian was offered a deal in exchange for testimony. The judge decides he doesn't have to determine if there was a deal. And that's that. So he pleads guilty and all that kind of shit. So they call during the sentencing.

They call Deskens daughter in who is Barbara. Barbara says that as the ringleader of this, he's the one who arranged all this. He should serve the maximum time. She said the family shouldn't be punished by prosecutors failure to bring him to trial. She said, I begged the court to give him the full time in prison okay so that would be 20 years as the max the judge says you sir may fuck off 20 years in prison okay more 20 no 20 years total gives him 20 years it was between 2 and 20 yeah well we'll talk about it okay so he will receive 18 months credit for time he's already served and will be eligible for parole in four years

because he's serving 20 so okay there's a there's a delay though there's another appeal um it all goes on because now it's really coming out about these prosecutors making these off the you know out of the way deals um and his attorney said the case should have been dismissed a long time ago. This is ridiculous. 2001, the Kentucky Supreme Court sends the case back to the circuit court to determine if there was an immunity deal in place. They the the judge here determines that such a deal was made and vacates his conviction. Oh, boy.

And dismisses the indictment against him. Okay. So then the state appeals that, saying, no, no, reinstate that. Okay. 2002, the state Supreme Court affirms the decision to dismiss the indictment against Christian. Then it goes all the way up to the Supreme Court again here, the state Supreme Court and the state Supreme Court in 2003. God damn it.

Thirty two years after the act. Yeah. Finally says that they say he pled guilty in 2000, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. They said that he because of a secret deal in exchange for his testimony against the three others he would not do the time that they said the commonwealth's attorney uh said that um you know no it didn't fucking uh that the deal never happened and the judge said it's pretty murky we're gonna say it happened um this has taken place over 30 fucking years they said it happened because there has taken place over 30 fucking years.

They said it happened because it was laid dormant for more than 20 years. It was part of a backlog in Pike County that at times exceeded 1,000 criminal cases. There is not a lot of people here. I'm sure there's 1,000 backlogged in Los Angeles, but not in here. There's not that many people. Yeah, this is just they're not doing it well so the former prosecutor said it laid dormant as many cases do because the judges didn't want to take responsibility yeah they heard it's cloudy and they were like fuck that one delay that shit so the uh the judge eddie coleman who rendered the decision two years ago that reversed the conviction, said that as a result of the case being done now, justice was served.

He said the important thing is that it was resolved and it was resolved fairly. Not everybody believes that, though. No. Editorial pages. Angry. Oh, boy. Angry. He's been out for 30 years.

What are we talking about? It's 30 fucking years. Really? He'd have done his time and been out even if he got life by now. He would have been out a long time ago. So they said, here's an editorial in the Appalachian News Express local newspaper. I'm sure it's a great, reliable paper. Hard-hitting journalism here quote we know all

miscarriages of justice are nothing or we know miscarriages of justice are nothing new to the pike county judicial system but seldom has justice been so blatantly and bloodily aborted as in the case of the 1971 killing of gladys deskins. Jesus Christ. Whoa. Yeah. One of the daughter, Barbara Hale, who is the Deskins daughter, said that she made more than 100 trips to Pike County from her home in Michigan trying to get the case resolved and that her family has no confidence in the justice system of Kentucky. She says, quote, it's not right to lose your mother than to have to go through this. It's not fair. That's fair.

So he didn't serve 28 years in prison and then be let out? No. No, he never was in prison. Wow. He never did time. That's it. He was held for 18 months in the beginning until the trials were over and then they let him out on bond because he did his duty that he was supposed to do all the testifying. And then he just remained out.

That was that. Wow. So 2006 comes along. Now, Billy Jean appeals based on Woody not getting any time. He goes, we were together. Fuck that. Yeah. He should.

If I had a good time, I would have never murdered again. Well, he says that he has two alternate theories. First, he argues that sufficient evidence exists to infer that the prosecution elicited, condoned or did not correct the occurrence of actual per actually occurred at his trial. That's what the prosecution says. He contends he's still entitled, even if that's the case, to relief based on withholding of materially exculpatory evidence. It's a Brady violation, he's saying. They said, and they looked at it, the trial court based its ruling on the following findings. They said that he failed to demonstrate any perjury was actually committed. No transcript of his trial exists.

There's no transcript of his trial. What? There's appeals. There's no transcript of the trial. Kentucky just was like, I don't know, it's cold. Throw some paper on the fire. Some old court documents. I got this old transcript.

Yeah, he's in jail to death. Fuck it. Them are thick. Put it on there. It'll last a while. Now, you got to twist it. Simulate kindling. He said when Christian testified at Boone Deskins trial, the first of the co-defendants to be tried, he was never asked about any possible plea deals or incentives for testifying.

And neither appellant, this is him, Billy Jean, nor his attorney have any memory of whetherian was asked about any possible plea deals or incentives at the trial uh so uh yeah he says that christian was asked about and denied the existence of any of the deals that's what the state is saying here uh he's saying the state says that he the attorney acknowledged that while he does not remember whether he specifically asked about a plea deal he believes it was his habit at the time to ask such questions so he doesn't remember doing it but he probably would have that's a standard question yeah what you what are you getting for your testimony in exchange it's the first thing the fucking lawyers ask literally the first fucking thing uh and even in the johnny depp amber heard trial they ask everybody what are you getting paid to be here right now they work for these people and they're like well

aren't you getting paid to be here like yeah i'm an accountant yeah of course i'm being paid to be here i'm not his fucking buddy so um they said that uh evidence is material under the brady doctrine if there was if there is a reasonable probability that uh had evidence been disclosed to the defense the resulting the result of the proceedings would have been different than it should be taken in but in this case they say that's not the case denied fuckhead get back to prison with your fucking billy jean ass moonwalk your ass back to prison and look at people's buttholes my friend because we ain't interested in you we don't really care about us we don't give a fuck about any of that and uh so as far as i know he is still in prison.

Billy Jean. Billy Jean there. Well, he's got the death penalty. So he's awaiting whatever the fuck happens there because I haven't seen that he was executed. Probably die in there. He'll probably die in there. And there's that. And then Woody, I couldn't find him. So I think he's laying low is what it is.

Stay out of trouble, fucker. He's trying to stay out of trouble, and then obviously Sykes is dead, and Boone is dead, and Gladys is obviously dead. Wow. And that, everybody, is Raccoon Kentucky. And what a fuck, exactly what you'd expect from Raccoon Kentucky. More characters than a strap on a coon's tail. That's more characters than a strap on a coon's tail, buddy.

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glory douglas old man groups uh groupies uh marcus ariano shonda edger edgerly jane doe mike peace uh genitalia what okay that's a decent one i've never heard that well done i'm impressed with that one uh christy christy mat Shannon Russell, Holly Coleman, Shelby Pike, Trisha Kalugilis, Karen Smith, Brandon Baxter, Samantha Hall, Tina Jenkins, Marisha Boudin, Brenna Seagal, Grace with no last name, Richard Cruz Blanco, Most people called him Richard. Amber Harmon. It's all about the Mets, James.

Love the Mets. All right, Mets, let's get a home run, baby. That's what somebody wanted me to say. All right, then. Laura Correa, he still hasn't asked. Laura's boyfriend. Fucking figure it out. Lisa Ann.

Get it together. Joe and Alice Mullen. Megan Rodriguez. The One. Susan LaFierre. LaFierre. Gavin Meyer. Eric Bernard.

Martha Shakalaka. Shakalaka. Tal Jard. Cheyenne Thomas. Amanda Frazee. Daniel Diaz. Diaz. Vernell Parker.

C. Trott. Megan Rivers. Alyssa Sampson. Adam Papineau, Bailey Schultz, Daniel Peters, Mark Poirier, James Largen, Casey Yazdani, Aisha Eilish, Lynch. You all right? I don't know. Brian with no last name. Andy Ray, Josh Elder, Brian with no last name. Andy Ray. Josh Elder. Allison with no last name. Beth Jones.

Mandy Oglesby. Dana Owens. Jimmy Dykus. Probably. I think that's right. Kat Paterat. Denise Darsh. Kristen Middlestead.

Tara Guthrie. Michelle Jett. Colby Barnes. Tyrell Howard. Sean Pickledonion, Skern Erskine. Joel is a dingus whore. I don't know if you know that, James, but he is. I do now. Joel, maybe.

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