Small Town Murder - #284 - Ice Picks & Impersonations - Roswell, New Mexico

Episode Date: May 26, 2022

This week, in Roswell, New Mexico, an attempt to be a good friend, to a man, with a background of stupidity, backfires, but not on the logical person. Instead, a plot is hatched to remove what the killer perceives as an obstacle to his true love. So, a plot is hatched that includes one of the most brazen, broad daylight kidnapping/murder plots, ever thought up. Was the victim taken away by a police detective? Or a cold blooded murderer? A truly twisted plot, complete with a terrible murder, complete with ice picks & extension cords. A truly bizarre & disturbing murder, that could have easily been avoided!!Along the way, we find out that the town of Roswell depends on the belief of aliens, to stay afloat, that you should need more than a radio on your belt, for a school to hand over a teenager, and that after you see a stabbing, you shouldn't be surprised by a strangling!!Hosted by James Pietragallo and Jimmie WhismanNew episodes every Thursday!Donate at: patreon.com/crimeinsports or go to paypal.com and use our email: [e-mail] to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder & Crime In Sports!Follow us on...twitter.com/@murdersmallfacebook.com/smalltownpodinstagram.com/smalltownmurderAlso, check out James & Jimmie's other show, Crime In Sports! On Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Amazon Music, Wondery, Wondery+, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts!See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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That's how insane these cases are. We'll talk all about it. And we are going to make fun of some stuff we're going to make fun of uh murderers that's fun we're going to make fun of we're going to make fun of especially this week some bumbling by some people who shouldn't have been bumbling we're going to make fun of all that stuff but what we do not do what we go out of our way not to do is we do not make fun of the victims or the victims families why james because we're assholes yeah but well we're not scumbags see there you go that's how that works if that sounds good to you we have a hell of a show for you if not think if you think true crime and comedy should never go together ever ever never i don't know maybe we're not for you but maybe we are either way no

complaining afterwards sit there and take it on the chin. So here we go. I think it's time to sit back and clear the lungs, Jimmy. Stretch it out a bit, everybody. Wherever you are, your treadmill, your desk, you're in line to drop your kid off at school, wherever it is, I want you to sit back, clear it out, and shout, Shut up and give me murder. Let's do this, Jimmy.

Let's go on a trip, shall we? Let's get it on. We are going over southwest today. We were coming from Kentucky last week, as you remember that. That was the backwoods in basically West Virginia, Kentucky. This week we are going to New Mexico, the state that is probably your least favorite state that you are constantly railing on. And you have to understand, Arizona borders New Mexico, and you were born and grew up a little in Colorado.

So it's a local rivalry also. Yeah, but also anywhere that I want to go, I have to go through that piece of shit unless I go to California. Well, I think it's like New Yorkers make fun of New Jersey. I think it's one of those things. Like, you know, Arizona is like the Grand Canyon and stuff. And they're like, what do you got, New Mexico? Yeah, pretty mountains.

Great. Terrific. What do they call it? Exactly. Nothing. Yeah. Enchantment my ass. That's, you know.

We're going to Roswell. Roswell, New Mexico, which, you know. We've heard of. Yeah. We've all heard of Roswell here. It's Area 51. It's very famous worldwide. And people actually live there

too besides is that right weird alien people we'll talk about it southeastern new mexico about three hours to albuquerque about three hours to santa fe and almost three hours to what was it t here was that one that we did t-i-j-e-r-a-s that is episode 230 which was the miracle murder that was crazy you wanted to have something really episode 230, which was the miracle murder. That was crazy. You want to have something really sad and really happy happen in the same murder, you get this. Honestly, that was wild, man. It was crazy. So this is in Chavez County, area code 575.

And the town motto, and they have to stick with it, you have to go with something. Quote, we believe. Yes. auto and they have to stick with it you have to go with something quote yeah we believe yes or we believe because otherwise we couldn't sell you shitty plastic alien things at huge markups either one we believe so history of this place quickly non-alien history anyway uh the first kind of you know non-native settlers here came in 1865 but abandoned it rather quickly because there's no really there's no goddamn water here so they were like people you think i'm playing you think i think i don't have legitical legitimate reason with legitical jimmy's got legitical reasons for hating new mexico legitimate reasons to fucking hate New Mexico.

The people that even founded it and settled it, they're like, we're idiots. Why did we do this? They left. Yeah. And then also there was a guy named John Chisholm, and he had a place called the Jingle Bob Ranch. Jingle Bob, which I just love the name. Doing horribly inappropriate things there i'm sure uh come on down to the jingle bob and bring your kitties would you yeah that's gonna be nice bring them

bring the kitties why don't you especially if they're little and blonde i like them blonde there's a reason epstein had a place there no shit so um yeah they turned it in a couple guys came in 1869 and built some adobe buildings, and that was kind of in the center of where Roswell is now. And things started to pick up from there a little bit. The name Roswell came from the son of, I guess there's a guy named Roswell Smith, and somebody named it after him. So his son ended up here, and then they named the town after his dad for some reason. Okay. Anyway, it became inhabitable because they found an aquifer under the ground.

Yeah. Yeah. Somebody dug a well in his backyard and hit a fucking black gold Texas tea over here. Found the clear gold yeah desert in the desert that's better than oil if you're dying of thirst and you hit oil you'd be pissed i wonder how deep it was i don't know i'm not sure but there's that's there's a huge aquifer and i think that goes there's i've seen maps of that where that shit is they also had a german prisoner of war camp here during world War II. That makes sense.

Out here. I tell you, I torture people. Go ahead and run. Where are you going? Good luck. Good luck to you. The climate here is nothing like the climate of Germany. That'll tell you right away. Not a goddamn thing. Yeah, it's like the goddamn moon.

Yeah, a bunch of pale... They'd just singe in the sun out there and crumble they wouldn't make it 30 feet from camp wouldn't work out at all so um they ended up yeah they had that it was near in orchard park which was nearby and uh they were used the german prisoners of war were used to do infrastructure work in roswell such as paving the banks of the north spring river so that is uh that's those are some nazi river banks there everybody enjoy paved by slave nazi labor well then some of the uh well captured it's different some of the uh they didn't have to fight they could have fucking ran they

could have you know came over to our side if they wanted to some pows used rocks of different sizes to create the outline of an iron cross among the stones covering the north bank thanks germany you shit buckets damn it later on yeah it's like we get well maybe they're just happy to be out of that maybe they didn't agree nope they're still still fucking doing it still drawing their shit in there so they paved over it with a thin layer of concrete and in the 1980s a crew cleaning the riverbed cleared off the concrete and then they found it again they were like oh shit what is this oh no there it is so now the small park of the cross was then known as iron cross park

and they renamed it pow mia park which is nice and there's also a piece of the berlin wall there presented to the city of roswell by the German Air Force. Sorry we were assholes and had to send some assholes here. Here you go. Have a piece of our wall. Can't call it Iron Cross Park. You may as well just call it Nazi Repute. Just make it, yeah, a gerbil's path.

What are we talking about here? Oh, it's the Himmler Highlands. Perfect. Yeah, let's do it. Why not? talking about here? Oh, it's the Himmler Highlands. Perfect. Yeah, let's do it. Why not? It's ridiculous. Oh, that's great. The basketball team plays at the Albert Speer Arena.

That's very nicely appointed. Very put together. So Roswell benefited from 1947 is the the alleged alien incident. That's the crash there. And there's been countless TV shows. But everybody, if you say Roswell, they go alien crash. I mean, that's everybody knows it. 1947.

1947. This went on and they had obviously they had hearings in the 70s about whether there's aliens or not and then fucking crazily enough like right now or recently in the last week or two they had more hearings about it where people are like defense people are like yeah this is national security shit like we see a lot of shit we don't know what it is so i don't know something's out there keep i'd worry that's like it was like well that's not comforting at all lie to us what are we doing either tell us exactly what's happening or lie to us. But don't do this middle ground or, I don't know, shoulder shrug. If you don't know shit, lie to us about it.

I don't care. I don't want to be paranoid about it. I think it's just horribly misguided and selfish for any of us to think that we're the only ones. Obviously, yeah. There's got to be something out there. I mean, it's a huge, you know, every universe, for Christ's sake to be something out there yeah i mean it's a huge you know every universe for christ's sake way too much yeah obviously that people come there and they say it was a cover-up and it's a government says it's a weather balloon blah blah blah so that's that's

how they turned it turned into alien town usa and that's why people come here from all around the world by the way this is a popular spot. Oh, God. This place is very popular. People just sit outside the installments there. There it is. They're in there doing something, them government people. I know they got the aliens in there. I know it. I know they do. I swear it.

They do. Infrared binoculars. I've seen crazy shit. You can do this from your house. Just sit down. Yeah. Have a seat. So reviews of this town. There's quite so uh reviews of this town there's quite a

few reviews of this town because a lot of people have been here from everywhere obviously yeah they've told us everyone will tell us how shitty it is let's see some people like it five stars here's one roswell is an interesting little city if you have any interest in extraterrestrials it's a must see the people are friendly and very welcoming yeah because if you don't come back no one their cafe will shut down and then they have a bunch of like weird alien shit they have to sell on ebay and that's not going to go well for them so uh four stars here roswell is a great place not just for its aliens like they're walking around on display you'll run into them on the street you know know, they have them directing traffic down there. It's fun.

Let's see. But also for its excellent, authentic Mexican cuisine. Well, it's very close to Mexico, so that would make a lot of sense. And it used to be Mexico, so yeah. It's New Mexico that provide a variety of choices, such as their mouth-watering enchiladas, flavor-filled red chili smothered burritos. Is someone trying out for an ad agency? Honestly.

And renowned hatch green chili. Roswell not only serves as a great example of cultural inclusion, but also an epicenter for the state fair that ceases to amaze people every year with their intricate rides and wide variety of food and games. Despite its location in the middle of the desert, you can stop right there. It's in the middle of desert. Great. Not interested. I don't care what you put there. Unless it's 50 casinos. Unless it's 50 casinos and like, you know, fucking

the Blue Men, no one's going there. That's what it is. You gotta have someone doing magic. Giant swimming pools, shit like that. Yeah. You have Celine Dion out there? I think maybe you can get a few ladies out there for that yeah you have celine dion out there i think maybe you can get a few you know ladies out there for that britney spears have a residency in roswell i didn't think so it says it'll provide ample joy for the entire family all in all roswell is a wonderful town presenting culture in an eye-opening way and gets people together and enjoy themselves. Okay.

Yeah. Let's see what we got here. Oh, Jesus. Two stars. Roswell's a smaller community and a city, but that doesn't mean we're not close. Students, teachers, parents, and the workforce, like cops, are all involved in our community full-heartedly. That's not how you say that. The downside to Roswell is there is a large amount of poor and poverty communities

jesus if we could just take a flamethrower to that side of town i feel like it'd be better that's what i feel like the next line is going to be we're poor people we're divided into north and south and just how santa lives north you can easily tell that north the north side is good and the Southside is bad. Jesus. My God. One star. I grew up here, but I've left five times. Well, that's not a good endorsement. How do you leave five times?

And is he still there? Coming back. When I ran out of things to do, I went to rock concerts in big cities, about 20 to 30 of them. I went back to help my mom and then left again. My mom died last Tuesday afternoon. Jesus Christ, I know this guy's got a narrative going on. I will see her go into her room

underground, but try not to get trapped there again by this satanic world. Then I will wait on God to raise our families from our enemy death into God's kingdom on Earth where we can possibly never die again that's my review of roswell that's my review of roswell new mexico the fuck does that have to do with anything one star by the way one star i will watch her go into her room i guess so i will

see her go into her room underground i I guess that means to get buried. But try not to get trapped there again by this satanic world. Whoa. This is wild. That's the guy that took a turn, man. That's your typical rock audience right there. Wow. This is a review for a town.

That's crazy. I want to hear more about the hatch green chilies or something. This is crazy. What are we doing? How many drugs is that person on? A lot. A lot of peyote. A lot of peyote.

Left five times. I didn't realize I left, but I went walking in the desert and ended up somewhere else, man. Population, 47,596. A little over our usual, but it's's worth it and it was less when this happened so don't worry about it a few more females and males but it's about a little more than the national average but not a lot 34.3 is the median age so that's a few years younger marriage rates about 50 50 just about normal the only thing that's odd or aberrant, I should say, statistically, not really odd, but is the people single with children is 27% here, which is a lot. Is that right?

Yeah, it's usually 10 in the rest of the country. So that's a lot. Race of this town, 38% white, 38.2% white, 1.9% black, 0.8% Asian. So it's more diverse than you would think because it's it's strange um i guess 0.8 asian is not a lot at all uh 57 hispanic so it's a lot of hispanic people few white people are half you know a little more than half hispanic mostly white and there's like eight black guys so there you go uh religion in this town 54.6 percent are religious now um yeah catholic is a lot of them because it's 57 percent hispanic so you're gonna get a lot of catholic

obviously uh there's that then there's some baptists uh other christian faith i don't know what alien falls under like alien religion zeb whatever there's i feel like there's a lot of like this shit going on like you know some sort of weird i worship a rock that an alien beams a light down upon or something i see that going on there or i worship the eagle or some weird shit yeah yeah like yeah the eagle like uh like borat i'd follow the eagle oh okay there's the sun god, I'm sure. Definitely. Shit happening, especially in New Mexico, a meth god. There's a lot going on there. Zero point zero percent Jewish, though. That's not happening in this town. Like we're not interested in aliens. Thank you. voted Democrat, 69.8% Republican, and about 2% independent. So economics here, the unemployment rate is much higher than the rest of the country. It's about double the rest of the country. It's 8%. I don't know if not a lot of jobs opening in the alien cafe, I guess. I'm not sure.

Yeah, I suppose it's mostly retails and hawking bullshit that has to do with a spaceship or something. Not a lot of huge industry here. Median household income is about $39,000 a year, which is about $15,000 shy of the national average. So it's a little less. Cost of living, though, is a little bit lower. $100,000 is par average. Here it's about $78,000. So housing is very low.

Median home cost here, $120,100. Wow. Very low. And there isn't really a lot of like extravagant homes here it's mainly it's it is what it is man it's it's low i mean they're fine houses i mean there's not like you can't it's not a shacks or anything but it's you're not getting any mansions really here so if we've convinced you that your interest in aliens will override all other logic we have for you the Roswell, New Mexico real estate report. Your average two bedroom rental here goes for about 800 bucks a month, which is low, very low compared to the rest of the country. Let's see.

Here's a three bedroom, two, two-bath, 1,566-square-foot house. So not bad. Nice house. Enough room for a couple of kids there. You wouldn't want to move right in. It needs some work. It looks like possible blood spatter in the bedroom. A lot of odd staining on the floor.

It could be blood. It looks like poorly cleaned up blood. Somebody has been eviscerated in this place. The cabinets are real scratched up. It looks like a cat used them as a scratching post. It's not right, man. You don't want to be here. Put it that way.

$155,000 for that place, though. It's cheap, anyway. I found a three-bedroom, two- bedroom two bath This is 1,335 square feet Decent house It's a nice little house basically It's clean, it's nice There's some strange wood paneling Going on in places

But otherwise it's done nicely The people there A lot of crosses on the walls Lots, lots A whole lot of crosses on the walls. Lots. Lots. Whole lot of crosses on the walls. There's a basement. Big patch of, yeah, the backyard is just a dirt patch.

So that's really enjoyable. Take the kids out there. Maybe a little rain. You can throw mud at each other. That'll be fun. $189,000 for that little treat. And then here we have a three-bedroom, three-bath, 1,890-square-foot house. This one's very nice.

It's a lot of Spanish tile, a lot of shit like that. It's an adobe. It's cool. If you're going to move to the middle of the fucking desert in New Mexico, this is the house you buy because it looks like it belongs there. It's the house you expect there. Nice house. $221,500 for that. Jesus.

Not bad. Things to do here very quickly. It's all alien shit, man. It's all alien shit. Of course it is. The UFO Festival is here. At the UFO Festival, something to point out, they have a kid zone. And there they have story time by ufo grandpa

so i don't know if he's an alien or if he knows about ufos yeah not sure ufo grandpa's in there there's a concert here which is expensive they have a bunch of uh country people uh william william clark green no is that somebody he's a country music award winner, apparently. William Clark Green? A Texas country chart topper, they call him. William Clark Green. Sounds like one of our murderers, if I'm being honest with you. And, oh, American Idol contestant Lacey K. Booth.

Wow. Bring your own lawn chair, 15 bucks for that. VIP, 100 bucks. What Fifteen bucks for that. VIP. Hundred bucks. What? Hundred bucks for VIP. Eighty five dollar difference. Fuck out of here for that shit.

Jesus Christ. They also have a laser thing. A UFO laser festival where they apparently they have like laser shows set to music. They have laser you to laser queen laser Pink floyd dark side of the moon i'd rather watch this yeah this is you take a bunch of mushrooms and watch the lasers and listen uh the laser grateful dead laser metallica laser pink floyd the wall laser zeppelin and uh which sounds like a zeppelin cover band and uh and laser beetles as well which is pretty funny no thank you and no thanks and then they have the the uh ufo tours and it says quote sign up for the roswell ufo tours

with a charismatic professional and informative guide i don't know how much charisma i need out of the person just tell me about this bullshit that we all know isn't true or is at least is at least puffed up for purposes of what you want to do to sell me shit it might be true but you don't know that neither do i so what are we talking about it's so hard to beat on people that believe in aliens because i believe in aliens i've never seen it and i don't think that they came here obsessed with specific alien instances is another thing of yes i think there's aliens yeah that's fine if you think that roswell happened then that happened in a million other

places and we should really be just as obsessed with that you know that's what i mean so i i'd like to know how this thing crashed here that's what i'm most concerned with yeah i mean yeah we need to know for future travel is there a black box we can investigate what's going on? I just don't think that a spaceship has ever accidentally hit a planet. It's not so much like, you know what I mean? Maybe they don't have perfect technology. I mean, our planes fuck up sometimes. So crime rate in this town, property crime is double the national average.

I don't know if it's people coming in here and stealing shit, stealing your alien gnome out of your front yard or what that is. And then violent crime, murder, rape, robbery, and of course assault, the Mount Rushmore of crime, is also a little bit high. It's about a third above the national average. So, it's a dangerous little town. I don't know.

Good luck. So, speaking of a dangerous little town, let's talk about a dangerous time and go back to a murder shall we let's do it okay okay uh we're gonna go back to 1991 here so you're gonna go back 31 years this is a very different time than right now this is a time when vanilla ice ruled the charts you know what i mean i can't believe that was 31 years 31 years ago you could vanilla ice was a lead in a major motion picture at this time in the in the world okay it was in cool as ice don't you remember you've never seen cool as ice jimmy no you go out as soon as we press stop

we are finding you cool as ice and you're watching it it's oh my god it's a movie where vanilla ice is the lead it's maybe the funniest film i've ever seen ever it's awesome you have to be kidding me i swear to god he's riding a he's got on a motorcycle the whole time he's riding a dirt bike like oh not a dirt bike a crotch rocket no he's wearing a crotch rocket he's got the big not wearing and riding a crotch rocket it's wearing him and he's wearing this jacket that has the big eight ball on it it's like a leather jacket with a bunch of patches that say like i know exactly like sex and like you know shit like that on it and then it's got a big eight ball and uh he's like yeah what up girl like he's got this it's so and it's put together like a high school student made it too it's awesome

it's so good jimmy it's amazing you have to see it did it make money who the fuck knows man it's terrible i can't imagine people are going to see i've never even heard of it oh you have to see cool as ice it's it would have been the target audience for that thing in 1991 it is you have to see it it's viewing required viewing you really need to see it it's amazing you will shit yourself at the 91ness of the whole thing i didn't know he was a lead in anything ever i saw him in in fucking ninja turtles but nothing oh he's the he's the movie it's cool as ice. What? The opening scene. Well, the plot, obviously, is he and his rap group.

Very quickly. I'm sorry, everybody. Very, very quickly. He and his rap group are riding their crotch rockets through middle America on their way to a gig, apparently. But they don't have any equipment or anything like that. They're just on motorcycles. And it's him. They got roadies bringing that. it's him and like eight black guys on motorcycles right yeah they're uh there's a problem somebody's motorcycle breaks down so they stop they stop at this house this guy's like a mechanic yeah well yeah yeah he's got a problem you know he's gonna solve it so they take it to this guy and they turn out to be these crazy old people who like

take the bike all apart so they're stuck in this town for a couple days so while he's out wandering around doing his thing he runs into a girl that he likes who's riding a horse and he like knocks her off her horse and almost kills her right then he steals her fucking her date day planner book and then he brings it back to her he's like what up girl looking for this and she's like give me my shit back and he's like nah man i'm a finger you first and he's like all over her and then it turns out that her father is actually in the witness protection program because he stole a bunch of money from the mob and now her daughter his daughter is getting some horse scholarship and so she's on the. And then the mob sees her on the news and sees her father on there, who, by the way, is the dad from Family Ties.

So that's fucking great. Really? I swear to God. And then so the mob comes and then Vanilla Ice and his buddies have to protect the family from the mafia while he gets in good with her and fingers her in a half constructed house that's what happened this is awesome it's amazing and the whole time he's on motorcycles and he's like winking at the camera and shit it's awesome shock hollywood and and and my blue haven my blue haven mixed together with terrible actors without any of the charm or humor unreal i mean okay and they take it serious and they oh it's dead it's so they're trying to make

it like you know half comedy but like an adventure romance it's so bad dead ass serious dead ass serious so i'm sorry to sidetrack that story but that story is great yeah you know what i'm not you needed to know about it if you didn't that it exists it's out there i am stunned that it exists it's streaming somewhere where's it at who knows it's streaming somewhere. Where's it at? Who knows? It's streaming somewhere, though. I know it is. It's got to be free somewhere. Absolutely.

I'm sure it's on YouTube. I mean, look it up, everybody. But after we're done with this story. So in 1991 in Roswell here, at Roswell High School, okay, there is a young student named, he's 17 years old. He's a senior at Roswell High School. He's named Robert Stephen Farley. Goes by Stephen, though. Stephen's what he is.

You know, it's what he goes by. So in May of 1980, near Anaheim, California, Dorothy Jane Scott noticed her friend had an inflamed red wound on his arm and seemed unwell. She insisted on driving him to the local hospital to get treatment. While he waited for his prescription, Dorothy went to grab her car to pick him up at the exit, but would never be seen alive again. Leaving us to wonder, decades later, what really happened to Dorothy Jane Scott? From Wondery, Generation Y is a podcast that covers notable true crime cases like this one and many more. Every week, hosts Aaron and Justin sit down to discuss a new case, covering every angle and theory,

walking through the forensic evidence, and interviewing those close to the case to try to discover what happened. And with over 450 episodes, there's a case for every true crime listener. Follow the Generation Y podcast on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to Generation Y ad-free right now by the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to Generation Y ad-free right now by joining Wondery Plus. I understand that anybody who's paid attention to the media would have to come to the conclusion that I killed my wife. Hi, my name is Zach Stewart-Pontier. I'm one of the filmmakers behind The Jinx,

and I'm excited to bring you The Official Jinx Podcast. We'll be revisiting all six episodes of Part 1 and watching along with Part 2 as it airs on Max, starting April 21st. Bye-bye. The Official Jinx Podcast. Listen on Max or wherever you get your podcasts. One day in September, September 26, 1991,

a detective comes into the school and says that he needs to talk to a Robert Stephen Farley. You know, can we, I need to talk to him. So they send the detective to the assistant principal, you know,

move it up the line. The secretary's not dealing with this or the receptionist. So move it up to the assistant principal. So they talk to the assistant principal and know move it up the line the secretary's not dealing with this or the receptionist so move it up to the assistant principal so they talk to the assistant principal and she says you know what do you need to talk to him about the detective says there was a a fight at the mall last night and a knife ended up being involved in some of it uh many witnesses saw a knife so i'm trying i gotta get statements i heard there's multiple witnesses saying stephen farley was involved in the fight or somewhere around the fight so i need to find out what's up with that basically i need to we need to take him down to the station and question him so um they you know the assistant principal uh calls up stephen's guardian as we'll talk about

because his mom's not around in this area at the very moment and says um you know there's a police officer here the the detective it's a detective john fuller um detective fuller says to meet them down at the station because he's 17 so he's going to need a parent yeah present to be questioned or at least permission from the parent to be questioned so um yeah they said to the guardian on the phone meet him down at the police station and they'll sort it out down there and so uh the assistant principal says that's enough of that for me wipes his wipes her hands of it and then uh this detective takes steven outside hank frisks him handcuffs him and places him in the back seat of a car that we'll talk about here okay a faded blue station wagon that's what which is the obviously the normal car that usually well you know faded blue yeah faded faded blue station wagons from the 70s or what all cop

detectives take to a to question a suspect. It used to be Arctic Blue. Yeah, it's Antarctic Blue. You're not the Antarctic Blue or the Metallic Bee. You're not the Antarctic Blue. So Stephen, let's talk about Stephen for a minute here, the boy who's been taken away about the knife fight. Stephen is a senior. He plans to attend Eastern New Mexico University in Roswell before he wants to enroll in law school eventually.

Oh, he wants to be a lawyer. Yeah, he's an honor student. He's in all honors classes. He's described as an excellent student and, you know, the most college-ready kid they got. Just, I mean, he's the guy. He was born in Roswell, grew up here, but he moved last year with his mom to Rio Rancho, and he attended Cibola High School there. Cibola.

Cibola High School. C-I-B-O-L-A. Yep. I don't know how you say that. Yeah. There you go. That high school. And his father moved out to Tennessee.

His parents are divorced, so his father lived in Tennessee. His father moved out to Tennessee. His parents are divorced, so his father lived in Tennessee. But this year, though, because it's September, beginning of the school year, he decided that he wanted to go back to Roswell so he could do his senior year and graduate with all the people he grew up with. Yeah. Hell yeah. Yeah. He's like, I don't know these fucking.

I want to go hang out with my friends. It's your senior year. And after this, too, you go to. Chabola Kids. Chabola. Yeah. I want to hang out with my friends it's your senior year and after this too you go to chabola kids chabola yeah hang out these fucking chaboles over here yeah they got chabola all of them it's got there's boils all over their skin it's biblical man this chabola is nasty that's i only know that because that's the uh a parking lot of the uh chabola vista place that's where ultimate warrior died. Oh,

okay. Well, yeah, there you go in the parking lot of it. Perfect. Yeah. Well, you don't want to,

everybody be very careful. You don't want to come down with Chabola 19. It'll be very bad for everybody else. It'll spread. It's what killed the ultimate warrior. It's what killed the ultimate warrior right there in the, he couldn't even, he didn't even get in.

It was just in the parking lot. Check in. Yeah. It was in the air, man. Before he even got in there. It was like in the parking lot. Check in. Yeah. It was in the air, man. Before he even got in there. It was like radiation. He couldn't get rid of it. So, yeah, he wants to come and hang out with his friends for a senior year and go to Roswell High.

So he did. He's actually staying with a friend of his. His best friend since, you know, young childhood. His name's Danny. He's staying with Danny and Danny's mom, Debbie Coleman. So they're very trusted. Obviously obviously they've all grown up together i'm sure they spend you know weekend nights at each other's houses all the time anyway as kids so the parents that's how nice of a kid steven is they say sure your friend can live here for a year with us during the whole school year imagine if

one of your kids is like yeah unless they were like yeah his mom was like you know killed in a helicopter accident or something like something spectacular but if it was just like he feels like going to school with his friends you'd be like that ain't my fucking problem tell his mom to buy a fucking house nearby yeah it's not my shit how is that my problem your friend is not living with us but doesn't the bus run that way then fuck him i don't care unless he's been like severely abused or something he's not staying here sorry Your friend is not living with us. But doesn't the bus run that way? Then fuck him. I don't care. Unless he's been like severely abused or something. He's not staying here.

Sorry. So, yeah, he's doing well, though. There, obviously, everybody says he's got a ton of friends doing all sorts of stuff. His mom says that he's planning, like I said, Eastern New Mexico University to get preliminary courses out of the way. Then he wants to go to law school and he wants to his goal and i don't know if in 91 it's different than now but he wants to get into harvard or yale or like an ivy league law school of course who the fuck doesn't that sounds his mother says he's even already contacted several places he wants to get like a idea of what's the best way to do it he's trying to talk to like the kids that go there things like that if you're interested you start researching how the fuck

do i do it how do i get into this goddamn school yeah because it's not easy i don't think to get into those schools and then i imagine there's only so many seats and i imagine there is a much longer list than there are seats and then if you get accepted you got to pay for it too so that's the other problem. That's Jesus Christ. I don't think Harvard's cheap. I doubt it. I can't imagine it's friendly to anyone's budget, no matter rich nor broke. I mean, 91 was different, though, too.

I'm sure it was more expensive compared to other colleges. But 91, Harvard probably costs what ASU costs now from 91 to now. Probably somewhere around 40 or 50, you think? Something like that, yeah. I have no idea. Yeah, well, I have a bright semester, for Christ's sake. So anyway, he also has a couple of sisters, Steve does. His dad's name is Luther.

His mom's name is Marilyn. Marilyn lives in Rio Rancho. His dad lives in Tennessee. He's got a sister named Shannon. He's got a sister named Shannon. He's got another sister named Kelly. So, yeah, nice kid doing his thing. But apparently, knife fight at the mall, and he's somehow wrapped up in it, and we'll talk about it. So enter Tracy Jarvis.

Tracy Jarvis is Steven's 16-year-old girlfriend. He's 17. She's 16. We don't know. But there's rumors that they're engaged. And but I don't know if it was official. They were deaf. Is that they were. Well, they're they're devout church people. So it's serious. Very serious. It's serious. Yeah. No, they're they're like kind of like promise ring type people. They're going to be, yeah, one of those. But they're definitely going steady. They're an item. They're families, both of them. Her parents say he's like a son to them. His parents love her like a daughter. Everything is, yeah, it's bliss. It's some kind of weird 1950s small town bliss.

So, yeah, she also goes to rice school, Roswell High School. Goes to rice school, Jimmy. She learns how to make rice, and that's it. Do we know what their mascot is? It's got to be something alien-related, right? What do you think it is, Jimmy? Do you think it's a fucking— Is it the rockets or some shit?

I'm sure it's not like a wolf or something. It's got to be some kind of alien. Yeah, it has to be just some guy in that big with the two big eyes walking around up and down the sidelines. She, his family, they ended up, they live there. They've known each other a long time. So while they're living there, while they're all together, obviously he doesn't live with her. She lives with her parents. He lives with the Coleman's. But Tracy meets a neighbor who had just moved into town, meets a neighbor named Michael Clark. Yeah. Michael Clark is 22 years old.

Oh, shit. Which is too old to be talking to Tracy at all. I don't want 22-year-old. Who'd you talk to? The 22-year-old neighbor? What house does he live in? We'll go have a chat with him real fucking right quick. Hey, how you doing?

You see my daughter. You didn't see my daughter. Understand? Thanks. Bye. Did it extend past, my name's Tracyacy my name's michael did it go any further than that no they started talking um yeah they met in december of 1990 and uh she invited him to attend her church no she's trying to get but she said uh he told her that he was a former

drug abuser and a drug dealer so she was like come on in the flock you know what i mean that's no she's trying to recruit a church member here and she said she befriended him because she felt sorry for him he seemed like kind of a guy who what he wants to hear no no no no no don't say that shit she said he seemed like a guy who was like he was 22 and he didn't know what to do with himself and uh he was kind of in limbo and floating around he's gonna guide him so yeah i was just gonna say so who do you go to for that a junior in high school because they have it all together and then they're gonna help put your life back together please show me the way that's as i pay my taxes. Perfect. Perfect, right? Jesus Christ.

Oh, shit. Oh, man. While I start noticing hair coming in on my ass, please tell me these things. So, yeah, that's what she told him. She felt bad for him, she said. He seemed like a guy who needed some guidance and maybe a perfect candidate for church, she thinks. Well, listen. I mean, he's looking for something.

At least he's not going to be in the youth club with her. Definitely not. He's not a youth. He can be the leader of it. Yeah. So two of Clark's friends we'll talk about here, two of Michael Clark's friends, Robert and Henry Martinez, they said that he's an intelligent guy, good companion, nice dude, decent guy to hang out with. They said in the past few months, though, he was down on his luck because he lost his job.

That was a problem in the last year. And after she met him in December, remember, of 1990, and he was down on his luck. The reason why he's down on his luck and he lost his job is because court records show that which is never a good way to start a sentence when talking about someone court records show that clark was charged in november 1990 with two counts of forgery and one count of conspiracy when he was accused of stealing a large number of checks from his employer roswell printing, and forging and cashing two $250 checks.

That had nothing to do with the printing company. They were checks from some other business. Who the fuck knows? Yeah, he just stole checks. I think these were actually from one of those big ledger books from that company's house. The company checkbook? I think that's what they're implying here, yeah, is that he stole shit from the company check and cashed and stole 500 bucks from work essentially. So that'll get you fired is what that'll get.

It'll certainly get you in trouble. Yeah. And it'll also get you charged in court. It'll get someone to lead a sentence about you with court record show. And he does that. So he's sentenced though because he doesn't really have much of a record. He's sentenced to a pre-prosecution program as long as he made restitution. So one of those, if you don't get in trouble for six months and you make restitution, they drop the charges.

Kind of one of those deals. So apparently he did all of that. He paid $500 back. He completed the program and his charges were dismissed eventually. So that's how that worked. So she's, like I said tracy's trying to get her into trying to get him in the church and uh so one of his friends here well robert martinez he said that he thought that clark went out with this girl like one time um but uh he said that

the girl used to talk a lot, talk to him all the time. He'd meet her outside her house and they'd talk or on the phone they talked all the time. And his friend said, quote, the way I see it, she wanted to have him as a friend but he wanted more. Whenever Clark would describe it, he'd be like, yeah, bro, sounds like she just wants to be friends. And he'd be like, no, no, she talks to me all the time i think she likes me so it was you know that friend you have to tell that's not good yeah she's 16 bro that's illegal there you go come on let's go to the strip club doesn't matter yeah illegal let's go to the strip club and get drunk that's what she that's what your friend should tell you at that point you know let's go to the strip club and get drunk. That's what your friend should tell you at that point. You know, let's go see some adult women and drink alcohol.

That'll get your mind in the adult realm and out of fucking high school girls. Let's go somewhere where your girlfriend's not allowed. In a bar, sir. In a bar. Yeah, there you go. Let's go find ourselves some bar skanks. Yeah, that'll break you, this. Heck, I want a junior in high school after that.

So anyway, yeah, that's what he thinks. He's known as kind of want a junior in high school after that so anyway um yeah that's what he thinks he's known as kind of a misfit he's a big computer guy he's really really into computers which in 91 not a lot of people that were that into computers like his friend called him a computer freak i don't know what that means he also at one time invented a girlfriend what does that mean like he made one up anti-teo that guy yeah he invented a girlfriend told all his friends like he had a girlfriend and then they eventually found out that he didn't have a girlfriend he just made her up and uh yeah so he's clearly a guy who's looking for something to latch on to and whatever comes grasping his life sucks he's

just got like he's trolling he's just got a net out the side of the boat and anything that falls in and he's like what is that a bluegill fine that's good what do i got a bass that's fine too what is that a frog i'll take that also doesn't care doesn't care i'll go to church sure why not yeah i'll steal some checks okay he's just floating in the wind anything helps anything helps but the friend said that clark seemed a bit too much into this girl though like for the fact that she didn't seem to have any interest in him so um yeah she though she tells her friends though the only purpose she had with clark was to be a supportive friend and try to involve him in church activities which that's the end once you once you bring him to church once

that's it you've you've brought him you've you've brought the horse to water all he could it's all you can do now it's either up to him to drink and you're 16 and he's 22 and he shouldn't talk to you anymore because he's a creep but he he clearly can't just go along with life you know what you can't just bring him to church though the guy's already got so many problems he's better left with like some sort of social worker or court mandate you know i mean something that's court appointed that shows him how to do life because he can't do it that's not the church thinks he just once you just tell him about jesus he'll get it he'll understand i mean that's their thing though but that's what they say i mean

that's they're selling they're selling redemption here you know what i mean and here's a guy who needs to be redeemed so there you go something he's looking for something that's what it is so anyway he began to attend church with her uh you know at the same church and started to call her all the time and pursue a romantic relationship but she at one point had to make it clear to him that she was engaged to farley yeah i don't know if they actually were or if it was official or what but that's what she told him we're engaged they're together and i'm not interested um at one point she said that he became like overly affectionate would try to hold her hand and would like put his arm around her in public yikes which it's public that's a teenage girl you're 22 what are you doing number one

you know regardless even if even if this is a relationship you can't publicly no be affectionate with a 16 year old you fucking creep was he doing it you know around the police station how public are we talking here because maybe do it around that area of town god damn it that's gross so she didn't care for that obviously she resisted his advances but she said she told her friends that she continued being his friends because the way she put it quote it was the christian thing to do this is the other bad part about churches. It's like missionaries will go to places that are dangerous because they're like, well, I have faith that if I get killed, then I'm going to go to heaven and all that shit.

It's like, yeah, but I don't know. You've got to have a lot of faith for that. It's an awful lot. It's an awful lot of faith. You might be religious and cling to the thou shall not kill, but some of those places, those people don't think that way. Maybe they're not, especially people you're trying to recruit. So in June of 1991, Tracy receives a letter typed on a computer, not a typewriter, like a printed out computer paper, from a woman claiming to be Clarkark's fiancee okay all right now she's upset yeah well we'll we'll tell you exactly how upset she is the letter says that this woman is going to kill herself okay i'm killing myself just to let you know this is one of the last things i'm

doing is writing you this letter and i'll be by the time you read it i'll definitely be dead but don't worry about that because you don't know me but at the same time I will be dead but I just want to let you know that I had a dream the other night that and in this dream I saw clearly that you and Clark should be together

okay so now I'm going to kill myself goodbye gotta go so but take good care of my baby basically because i had a dream so you should certainly live out my you should do that yeah goodbye forever is essentially what this letter says so yeah a suicide a dying a dying woman's last wish is that this young girl yeah be with her fiance so yeah this is what's going on here tracy though recognized the letter as coming from clark's home computer these are the same ones it looks like other shit he prints out for me back then probably not all

printers look the same they had specific you know quirks to them same font he uses all that shit it's everything yeah it's all sorts of shit you know his name's at the bottom and like the right you know it would do like this time stamp with like the user on the bottom one of those uh she then confronted him and said look i got this letter i know you wrote it what the fuck's up with that and he was like yeah sorry about that i just like you and she ended the friendship right there said that's it that's enough i tried with you but this is getting creepy now and i can't deal with this and goodbye this is this is a lot extremely

mature by the way for a 16 year old very mature maybe he went to the right place for somebody to put his life on track because she has it together oh shitload more than he does put it that way so this does not stop his obsessiveness though this is not like he's like oh fine done no problem moving on to an adult woman now that didn't work yeah he's gonna stick around uh made her uncomfortable you know that sort of thing she asked him to stay away from her and that's when she began he began to harass both her and Stephen Farley as well, her boyfriend. So he broke a window in her car at her house with a pellet gun. He fired a pellet gun at her car.

Shot out a window. Yeah. So also made a bunch of prank telephone calls to the Jarvis home and also to the Coleman home where Stephen's staying. That's what he did and he's doing this? This is what he's doing. And they actually ended up, there was so many calls, they had to call the police. Wow. And the numbers were, it was traced back to Michael Clark.

Were they at least funny or were they just like- No. They were like, you're a motherfucker and shit like that. It was nothing like, hey- It wasn't like a soundboard of like- I was going to say, it wasn't like a radio station wasn't like a like a morning zoo radio prank or all like you've won four tickets all the way to las vegas isn't that amazing with you all you have to do to pick them up is here you go make yourself a hat out of whipped cream that's right and go on down and stand on the corner of so

and so and so and so with a sign that says, my butthole itches, and we'll be down there with four tickets. That's a prank. That's funny. This is not. That's no good. Pretty good. That's pretty good.

Or just like an Al Pacino soundboard. Like Schwarzenegger? Yeah. Get to the choppa over and over again. Is this Arnold? Who is it, daddy, and what does he do? What does he do? And then you hear, yippee-ki-yay, motherfucker.

And they're like, is Bruce Willis there? This is amazing. This is too cool. Hoo-ah. Hoo-ah! I'm here. Never ask me about my business again, Kay. That's fine.

I can deal with those prank calls. No, no. This is like you're a fucking bitch and blah business again, Kay. That's fine. I can deal with those prank calls. No, no. This is like you're a fucking bitch and, you know, blah, blah, blah. Prank? Shit like that. That's threatening. That's just mean and shitty. So during this whole thing, though, her relationship with Stephen remains very strong and even

gets stronger as, you know, all this is going on. I would assume. Hey, he looks way better compared to this guy every day he's looking more and more normal and everything like that but in recent months this martinez guy clark's friend said that clark had been bothering the girl and even he knew about it because clark was telling him about it told him that he fired an airgun pellet through the window of one of the cars yeah he was telling him about it like yeah i did this this fucking girl thinks she cannot talk to me anymore i'll shoot out her car i'll shoot out

her dad's car window so he can deal with that at six in the morning when he wants to go to work that's perfect no good uh yeah he also and this one was interesting he sent a letter to Jarvis's father, to Tracy's father, and to Debbie Coleman, the guy, the family that Stephen is staying with, on letterhead purporting to be from the Drug Enforcement Agency. Okay, the DEA is sending us letters. Alleging that the DEA was investigating Farley for drug-related activity, Stephen Farley, and that they're going to need to set up a time with them to talk about it and see if they have any information

that they're going to lend to the investigation. Start that with a letter. Well, you might send a letter to witnesses, but probably not. You'd probably show up there so they wouldn't then tip this person off if it's his fiancée. So probably a bad move.

Better off having that in writing. Yeah. I got this letter. Oh off having that in writing. Yeah. I got this letter. Oh, shit. They're after me. And then he can run right to Mexico, which is right there. Perfect. In writing.

So that's where we stand in September of 1991. Stephen came back to be, you know, he had a long distance relationship with this girl. And now he's coming back. He's going to graduate with his friends. We told you that he was taken by detective fuller about a knife fight let's find out how that all came about all right so okay september 26th now september 27th is when steven was taken from the high school by the detective okay september 26th 1991 tracy has kind of pushed clark to the, but he's still bothering her once in a while. The letter from the DEA was rather recently. The DEA has really got to look into this shit. I'm telling you, this is wild. 26th, 1991, 22-year-old Clark here picks up his half-brother. He's got a half-brother named Jerry Kersey, K-E-R-S-E-Y, Kersey. Exactly, like Jerome Kersey, just like the player.

But Jerry, he's going by. He's like, yeah, I don't want to be known by somebody that can dunk. I'm not really a dunker. He's a big guy, though, Jerry Kersey, by the way. He's like a big, thick dude. 27 years old, by the way. He's like a big, thick dude. 27 years old, by the way. He's older than Clark here. He lives in Albuquerque.

So Clark picked him up in Albuquerque, and they drove to Roswell. Yeah. All right. They drive to Roswell in Clark's light blue station wagon. Uh-oh. Now, Kelsey. It's a real cop kind of vehicle. It's it's a real yeah it's what you think of now kel uh kersey is uh he's a cook and a restaurant manager and uh he moves around and he works in restaurants moves around he had moved from hobbs new mexico to albuquerque in

july so he'd only been there a couple months he's got a new job and all this type of shit so anyway clark drops cursey off at a motel that evening so um yeah drops him off at the zuni motel z-u-n-i zuni so uh american thing absolutely so yeah and i knew that but yeah that's uh the zuni motel and neither of them had slept the night before they said i don't know why neither of them had slept what are they researching a podcast or something yeah it's both of them had slept the night before, they said. I don't know why neither of them had slept. Were they researching a podcast or something? Yeah, both of them. They're putting separate podcasts together is what they're doing. Double shifts.

Double shifts, babe. So neither of them had slept. So they stop at the Zuni Motel at about 3.30 p.m. and check in. If I went to check in, they'd be like, yeah, no. One more hour, sir. You sit on this couch for a while with your suitcase looking like an asshole. Why don't you do that? Why don't we have eye contact for the next hour until we have a room for you?

Do that. Why don't you watch a parade of people come up and get their rooms and go to them and comfortably go lie down in bed? Why don't you do that? And you could just sit here and watch what it looks like. And that way you can get jacked up for when it finally happens to you. Okay. Great. Real suspense builder real suspense builder you're gonna love this room where the toilet doesn't work yeah that's the other thing can you put me in a you could all that time you could have fixed

the shitter thanks all that fucking time no one could all those rooms of people filling them with working toilets me sitting there staring at you not mine oh man that's maybe the best text you've ever sent me is they're doing it on purpose they broke me man it was hours after hours i finally just they broke me i was like it's gotta be it was three hours I was like, it's got to be. I think it was three hours, right? Finally, I said, it's got to be on purpose. Because now it was past the time they even said was the worst possible scenario. An hour past that now. Worst case scenario, 3.30.

4.12 runs around. They're like, we have your room for you now. I was like, oh, God. I was just ready to cry. So I was like, they're doing it on purpose. They want to hurt me. I know it. It was even after check-in time.

It was beyond the time. Oh, it was beyond beyond you could have walked in off the room with no off the street with no reservation and got a room at that point they would just put you right up in one i i booked my room a month ago nope not me on purpose and the toilet doesn't work and uh to save you the suspense they didn't fix the toilet but they did offer me full use of the lobby bathroom to shit in and brush your teeth yeah what he goes you could do your full you're welcome to use this i go i have a room jimmy fell on the ground by the way when said that. Because I looked at him and I went, here? And Jimmy went, bah! And his legs didn't work anymore.

And he was lying in a fucking hotel lobby, giggling and writhing. And I'm there talking with you to the people. And that room, that bar is banging. Oh, the bump in the sound. And so we couldn't really hear him. But he waves to you. And you looked at me like, oh my God, we fixed it. Yeah, he's going to take me to a quiet place.

He was just showing me where the bathroom was in the lobby, that's all. You're welcome to use this one right here. What? What? What? I offered to plunge it myself. I said, do you have a plunger? And they said, no, we can't get in the maintenance closet until tomorrow.

I was like, are you fucking kidding me? That's a union position, my friend. Yeah, that's a union shitter there. That is a union log clog we got going on. You can't possibly. Unreal. Greatest thing that ever happened. Why are you grumpy on the road? don't know maybe that's why it all seems to work out so uh back to these two fucking morons who have no problem getting a room at the zuni

no problem best room in the in the joint a view a total view of the desert you know so they end up there now clark drops cursey off there apparently um and says i'll be back and then i'm going to take a rest too so cursey ends up going to sleep you know about four o'clock he falls asleep he doesn't wake up until 2 a.m oh my when he's awakened by curse by uh clark i mean so clark shaking him going hey wake up man he's like what the fuck what happened you know what's going on and he said oh you know hey i just got back from the store um are you hungry you want to go eat so he said sure let's go eat it's 3 a.m he's been asleep for like you know 10 hours though so he's probably hungry you know know, and he is actually.

All right. I'm hungry. So they're going to go eat and find some shitty little place to eat. Now, during this time, when Kirstie was asleep, we know one thing that Clark was doing. And he was at a store like a gas station at 1 a.m. You know, those road gas stations that have everything you know like shit for rvs and stuff too well at 1 a.m he buys and this is from the store clerk's point of view this is his witness statement he said that he came in and bought an ice pick a steak knife and some

wire cutters at 1 a.m 1 a. Now, I don't give a fuck who you are. If someone puts that purchase down at 1 a.m., you pause, right? And you go, you make a face and you go, I'm going to remember you. You know that, right? I'm definitely going to remember your face. Take a mental picture of this face for sure because he's either going to hurt somebody or he's going to go kill a cow and make steak and eggs. What about the wire cutters?

What's he doing with that? He's going to fucking. Sometimes you got to cut the hooves right off of this thing. I was going to say he's going to rig up like a pen for it outside. He's going to rig up a nice wire pen for the cow and then murder it with an ice pick and some steak. I don't know what the deal is, but that's a murder kit if you buy that in the middle of the night.

The only thing he's missing is like some rubber gloves and like garbage bags yeah you know some duct tape that would be perfect too duct tape would really that nah that would really add the the extra touch station they're out of they're out of plastic bags shovels and duct tape it's like god where's your duct tape no you're out it's aisle it's usually aisle three but You're out? It's usually aisle three, but you're out. Okay, that's fine. I'll just take this steak knife, this ice pick, and these wire cutters. Thank you. Are you the jerk? Why do you love these?

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by joining Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts. So that purchase is going to stand, especially at 1 a.m. If someone bought that stuff at 3 in the afternoon, you probably wouldn't even remember it. No. At 1 a.m. If they're in, like, work gear, that guy just, he broke these on the job site and needs them again. Who knows?

He broke the wire cutters. He, you know, he needs a new night whatever the fuck it is who knows but yeah at 1 a.m this is everything you buy is under a microscope at 1 a.m everything even if you buy food they're like you're eating this in the middle of the night like 1 a.m you need a turkey yeah 1 a.m how many how many of these 96 pizza rolls are you gonna eat right now really at 1 a.m there Come on. There's pepperoni in them. These aren't good for you. Please. You're going to wake up at 4.

The answer is 30, by the way. That's how many I eat in the middle of the night. It's 30 every time. So it's perfect. It fits right on my pan just perfect. 30 in there. I'll just eat them all. Three rows of 10.

Oh, it's beautiful. It's four. It's actually, yeah, it's three rows of 10. What are we talking about? So anyway, here we go. They're buying his murder kit at 1 a.m., an obviously weird purchase. So then he wakes his brother up and says, hey, want to go get some food? I got a steak knife in case we need to cut anything. Later that morning, too, well, we'll go to this. So, Kersey said that when he woke him up to ask him if he wanted to go eat, Clark was agitated. Okay.

And he was, like, pacing back and forth, like, man, motherfucker, like, meh, doing one of those. Like, something obviously happened. Like, what the hell? So, he said, you know, what up, bro? It's 2 a.m. What's going on? And he said, man, I just found out some horrible shit while you were sleeping a friend of mine friend of mine and roswell she's underage her name's jennifer um she's like a high school kid but she lives near me and stuff not tracy jennifer lives near me and

stuff she got raped by some guy in roswell man found out some guy raped her and i'm fucking mad i'm gonna fuck i'm gonna get even with this motherfucker man how dare he she's my friend and you don't do that shit you know what i mean he's very upset very upset cursey says that he told clark well why don't you call the police about it and say that your friend got raped and cursey's a smart guy maybe that'll work if you do that and clark said no no it happened several months ago and she she doesn't want to go to the police because she doesn't think anyone will believe her now because it happened like months ago. But I just found out. And, you know, I got to get even with this fucking guy, man. This is ridiculous.

How dare this shit go on, man? Fuck this. Fuck this. His brother's like, well, who who did this? And he goes, this motherfucker named Stephen Farley. Yeah, he's fucking raped my friend man it's bullshit her boyfriend raped her no no jennifer this jennifer girl oh he's raped by stephen farley yeah his friend that he's very mad about so that's the story he's telling and um

so uh yeah he says no it happened then and she doesn't want to go to the cops so they go and they have trouble starting Clark's car. Can't get it started. It's amazing that he wouldn't have an operational vehicle, this guy. So then they went to a convenience store and bought some starter fluid and a chicken fried steak at Denny's. Hell, yeah. So they took their starter fluid to Denny's and got a chicken fried steak. I don't know if they used it as like an A1 or something, but.

That stuff is potent. Oh, that's potent shit. They eat the chicken fried steak at Denny's and then go back to the motel where Kersey goes back to sleep again. Jesus Christ, Rip Van Winkle, what are you doing? I don't know. You can fall asleep on some chicken fried steak. You know what?

That will fuck your belly up, man. You eat enough denny's in the middle of the night you will sleep no matter how not tired you are well he sleeps till about 6 30 a.m okay so he wakes up and clark's still up man he's up again he doesn't know maybe clark fell asleep for a little while in between but he is up and he's amped up and all he can talk about is the rape again he's like man i'm so fucking mad about this he can't get it out of his head and he's amped up and all he can talk about is the rape again he's like man i'm so fucking mad about this he can't get it out of his head though he's just jesus it's all i can think about and finally he said to um to his brother here clark says quote i want to get back at him i want to tell him i know about it and slap him around a little let him know he's not

getting fucking not getting away with that shit maybe that'll make him think twice before he goes out raping people again that little bastard so we'll stop a serial rapist yeah you never know so clark asks uh cursey he says look you look older than me because i look a little younger you you're 27 and you're big guy too you look older too he said do me a favor he's like do this he goes pretend to be a police officer go into the high school and grab steven farley okay isn't there like an arcade or a pizza place that these kids fucking hang out at or somewhere where you could go find this kid rather than to involve the school administration so they could all see you well worse than that when step one of your plan is break the law and then yeah kidnap somebody breaking the law more step one is be seen by hundreds of witnesses okay

now you got that out of the way perfect now pose as the police officer okay that's felony in front of all these people kidnap a man a man. Felony. Yeah, yeah. But make sure you look people right in the eye when you're doing it. Right in the face, yeah. Right in the face and really explain to them what's going on. You know what I need you to do? Commit two felonies right out of the gate before we solve the problem. Let's come in hot and then we'll work it out from there. But I feel like if we overwhelm from the start, I feel like the ball's going to roll a lot easier downhill.

You know what I mean? Bad plan. This is a good plan they have going on so far so yeah he says please do that so cursey says i mean i i guess he goes i don't know is that they're gonna believe that so clark says sure so he goes and buys Kersey handcuffs and a security officer badge, like a fake badge and some handcuffs. And he tells him, if you're going to play it, you might as well look the part. Let's do this. Put this shit on. You're going to do this. All right.

Get in there and go get him. So Clark, the drops, Kersey drops Clark off. We'll talk about where. By the way, this rape never happened. Is another thing. Absolutely. Doesn't exist. By the way, this rape never happened is another thing. Absolutely. This person doesn't exist. Jennifer does not exist. Of course.

He likes Tracy. He's mad at Steven. Steven has never raped anybody as far as anybody on earth knows, and it would go against everything that seems logical. He drove three hours to pick up his step or half brother, and then three hours back. Six hours round trip. Yeah. To get this guy to commit two felonies right out of the gate. Right out of the gate. We're fucking coming in hot, babe.

There we go. But don't worry. We'll do it all on chicken fried steak. Well, from hours ago. Like chicken fried steak from seven hours ago. That's the fuel. Yeah. But I put a little starter fluid on it.

So it starts you up. That's why I do it. That starter fluid's not lying. I'll you something not lying so shortly after 10 a.m cursey goes to and you know he hasn't shaved or anything like that he's got to look like he just slept for 12 hours yeah he slept for 12 hours he works in restaurants too so he doesn't have to be like he's not like a wall street guy you know what i mean like you can look a little scruffier if you're working a kitchen so he goes to the roswell high school administrative office and he says hello i'm detective john fuller of the roswell police department yeah he said um i'd like to speak to one of your students please there's an

incident blah blah blah i'd like to speak to one of your students steven farley he was told that uh school officials told him farley is in an assembly right now in like a you know the gym with all a thousand kids in there so you we can't locate him it'd be impossible to go in there and find him so you can come back a little later and when he's in a class and we'll we'll get him so kirsty said no problem i'll be back in a little while and he comes back hey you know what it's a pep rally the cheerleaders have been working on this routine for a month let's let him let's let him do it you know yeah so about 10 30 he returns to the school again here he comes detective fuller again how's it going yeah good to meet you all right here we go he says i'm a police officer

no uniform doesn't show a badge no badge doesn't show shit he just says he's got the badge says security he doesn't want to get he's got a two-way radio clipped to his belt and he's got handcuffs hanging off his belt buckle that's what he has and that's it and he says i'm a detective and uh detective john fuller blah blah blah and uh yeah said later on, he would say that he never thought it would go this far. He thought he would go to the school. He'd say, I'm Detective John Fuller. I want to talk to this kid. And they go, let me see some identification. Then he'd run out and they'd leave and he'd go, oh, they busted me and I couldn't get the kid. That's what he thought. Detective John Fuller. No, you're not. You're right.

Got to get right. Goodbye. That's what he thought. I'm Detective John Fuller. No, you're not. You're right. Gotta go. You're right. Goodbye. That's what he said. He never thought they'd actually go, oh, we'll go get him for you. You know what I mean? He never thought it would get that far. He thought even if he got past the receptionist, the assistant principal would ask for some identification at least. Somebody's got to put a kibosh on this. Jesus Christ.

He said, quote, in my mind, I thought it would be over at the school. Yeah. Figured that would be the end of it. He thought he wasn't even going to be able to commit the first felony. But here's my problem with this, with this statement. Why go then? Yeah, why try? Clark's not with you.

You dropped Clark off somewhere. So why not go somewhere, go through the McDonald's drive-thru, eat a hamburger. Your chicken fried steak's going to be wearing off by now. It's 1030. You could still get a hash brown. Get a couple of hash browns. Sit there. Check your watch.

Then go back to Clark and be like, fucking receptionist was like, let's see some ID. And I said, oh, it was in my car and I ran away. That's a fuck. They busted me right away. I said, I'm Detective John Fuller. They said, this is a felony. Yeah. You know this is a felony, right?

And then I dropped my Eggcmuffin and ran i hope they can't get dna off of half eaten egg mcmuffins so to me that right away i don't buy it for that reason i don't i don't believe that he thought it would never work because then why would you do it there's no reason to fucking do it so yeah it's not like he then clark's gonna go to the school and go did a detective come in here a little while ago and ask you a bit you know he's not gonna check up on you so um anyway farley arrives at the office they bring him to the office they call him out of his classroom and he says that he wants to question him i'm gonna question you about a fight that occurred the night before at the mall yeah and this kid goes i wasn't at the mall last

night and he goes well i gotta talk to you about it because there's a lot of people who say you were at the mall last night and it's a you know you gotta come with me so the assistant principal says okay you know there's procedure here i have to call his guardian and get permission so the assistant principal calls coleman miss coleman and uhirstie gets on the phone with her. He says, yeah, I'm detective Fuller. Meet me at the police station in about 20 to 30 minutes. Cause I got to pick somebody else up too. Cause we're multiple people for question. And we got to get to the bottom of these fucking kids are doing at the mall.

You know how that goes. So meet us down there in about 20, 30 minutes. So, um, so the, you know, the school calls and says that. And she says, well, I guess, yeah, I'll meet you down there. I guess. What the fuck? So, that, and she says, I guess, yeah, I'll meet you down there, I guess. What the fuck? So that's what happened. Then he told her that on the phone, too, that someone complained that he had pulled a knife on someone.

So the guardian, Ms. Coleman, here, she says that she didn't think it was valid because she thought that Farley was in his room the night before and didn't remember him going to the mall. So how could he have pulled a knife on someone at the mall if he was in his room? But, you know, obviously I'll meet you down at the station and we'll clear up this misunderstanding. So, yeah, Percy walks out with Farley. He frisks him, handcuffs him,

places him in the back seat of the faded blue station wagon. Yep. All right. So, at that point, Coleman here, Debbie Coleman, she arrives at the Roswell police station and she asked to speak with Detective John Fuller. I'd like to speak to Detective John Fuller, please. My, you know, charges here, I guess you'd call it. And the department said, nobody works here by that name. Never heard of him. Never heard of him. And she went, well, he was picked up by the school, blah, blah, blah. And they said, nobody works here by that name. Never heard of him. Never heard of him.

And she went, well, he was picked up by the school, blah, blah, blah. And they said, no. And they called the school and the school said, yeah, Detective John Fuller came in here. They freak out at that point. He's been kidnapped from the school in broad daylight. The assistant principal handed him to them and said, here you go. Somebody looks dumb. This is not good so an immediate

insane investigation starts this is like the whole force jump guys with the like a hat over their face sleeping with their cowboy boots up on a desk like jumped into action and you know everybody got into it everybody was like fucking uh like everybody was like dude and fucking it was like hopper and stranger things like in the first season when he's just like smoking with a cup of coffee napping in his office that's what's going on they all spring into action they turn into season yeah they turn into season three hopper all of a sudden and he's like yeah an action movie balls and a giant bronco knocking out russians and shit no it's a so um yeah uh she said that um you know this is all going on everybody freaks out um immediately she says they say to her do you know anybody that

could you know would want to do this that named him specifically she immediately tells the police that this guy clark here has been making phone calls to my house, been harassing Stephen and his girlfriend. And so they get the police obtain a description of the car and of Kersey from the school, everybody at the school, the guy who took who took Stephen. So they they also make a composite drawing of Kersey as well. So they have one of him. They have one of Clark. And they're going out looking. Now, in the meantime, by the way, they contact the FBI immediately.

Of course. Yeah, because they're like, oh, we fucked this up bad. We should probably fix this. Also, when a child is kidnapped from a school, isn't that an FBI matter? That's an FBI matter. Absolutely. So they contact. I don't know if it was in 91, though.

Probably. Probably. Because it's a government building that he was kidnapped from. He's 17. It's got to be. It has to be. You can't just walk in and take a child from a school. That should be all hands on deck, I feel like, looking for that kid, right?

Fuck yeah. I mean, school should be the place where no one can just steal you. Especially, you shouldn't be handed over by an administrator that's even worse i can see plucking a kid off the playground yeah yeah this is you know kid got too close to the chain link fence someone reached over and snatched him and put him in the back of a van and drove away or something but this is like grabbed by the hair i reached over come on there sally and just puts her in the back of a van and fucking drives away that's a different story you want it a little too close man they tell you to stay in the middle of the playground

in a big group this the the principal saw their fucking pension go away, saw everything dissolving, saw their bank account was zero. Yeah, it was like, oh, shit. Oh, shit. On one side, there's a chain link fence. On the other side, there's woods, and if you get too close,

the wolves will snatch the kids. So you got to stay in the middle. Yeah, you got to get away from the borders of this place. Yeah. Come on, kids, group up. Group up gotta stay in the middle yeah you gotta get away from the borders of this place yeah come on kids group up group up stay in the middle right around second base there kids yeah don't go out any further than that no one's playing left field today equidistant from the goddamn boundaries from the wolves and the pervert kidnappers we're gonna stay right in the middle everybody unless the assistant principal serves you up on a platter to a pedophile and lets you handcuff lets him handcuff you and put an apple in this kid's mouth they might as well have put a fucking bow on his head we put like some fancy garters and lingerie in there in case you wanted to maybe take some

pictures of him first or after you murder him. Either or. Whichever you're into. We don't know if you like to dress him up after. What's your MO? We don't know. Fucking insanity, man. Unbelievable.

I hope that person was fired like that 10 seconds later. Well, we'll talk all about that because that's even more disturbing. So while this is going on, now they're starting to panic. Kersey had driven him. How did the assistant principal not look out the window and go, that's a faded blue fucking station wagon? Not any kind of police car, but I don't know. I have no idea. Our taxes were only, we're only buying them cars from like fucking ugly duckling why are we giving them drive time

cars shitty drive time car i think i think it's the lethal weapon thing i think in lethal weapon yeah danny glover drove around his wife's his wife's station wagon so they went oh he's just danny glover it's fine and then she went back to her paper. Yeah. That's not a cop. So they, Kersey drives him handcuffed in the back seat to a graveyard, which is a little terrifying. Once they get to the graveyard, that's where Clark is waiting for them. Yeah.

So once they do that, Clark takes over driving and Kersey sits in the back seat with farley lying across his lap so he's down so no one sees him in the car because he thinks maybe people are looking for him by now possibly so it's like an uber situation yeah it just looks like a taxi the world's shittiest taxi going on so cursey says that during this ride clark accused farley of raping a girl named jennifer repeatedly and he's like i don't know what you're talking about i don't know any jennifer i don't says that during this ride, Clark accused Farley of raping a girl named Jennifer repeatedly. And he's like, I don't know what you're talking about. I don't know any Jennifer. I don't know what the hell you're talking about. Then he got into talking to him at length about Farley's girlfriend,

Tracy. And, um, you know, he said, look, you know, I, I like Tracy and you need to fucking back off and all this type of shit. So Kersey said that Clark told him he didn't want Farley to struggle. So, oh my God. What they, well, we'll talk about it. They pull into a gas station

and Farley's in the back seat, obviously, and there's a gas station attendant still that comes up. Oh, that's hot, yeah. Tries to clean your windshield.

He was told, don't clean the windshield and stay away from the car, which is as suspicious as buying steak knife wire cutters and fucking you know an ice picket one in the morning maybe worse made possibly worse uh possibly worse so um what they did too they had stopped at some point here i told you they had the starter fluid and everything they sprayed some of the starter fluid and everything. They sprayed some of the starter fluid on a washcloth

and covered Farley's nose and mouth because starter fluid back, it was mostly ether. So he passes out back there because he's handcuffed.

He can't fight it or anything like that. So that's what he's passed out in the back of the car. That allows them to go into the store together and leave him

in the car and just tell the attendant to fucking not go near it. Stay away from the car. It's broad daylight. There's a passed out handcuffed teenager in your backseat. Like the intent on that vehicle. No.

Fuck no. Dude, the balls on these people. Yeah. Brazen. School. This is crazy shit. So 1240 p.m. This is two hours after he's been taken from the school.

A witness says that he passed by the Cedar Lake Lounge, which is an abandoned bar. It's a, you know, when you drive in those desert roads, those things where you'll see like a barely a structure that there's like just some spray paint on. You're like, I wonder what that was at one point. That used to be. It was Cedar Lake Lounge is exactly what it was. It's 30 miles east of Artesia along New Mexico Highway 529 between Hobbs and Artesia. Gross. Wonder why they shut down.

You can't imagine how they weren't doing fucking turn away business at that place yeah what are you it's like the star wars canteen of this place that has a that's easier to get to holy shit co-road it's probably fucking dirt too it's probably not it's it's well it's a state highway so it's probably it might not be though you know mexico state highway yeah let's be let's be realistic here. It's sand. Oh, it's that fine shit. When you peel off, it's a big cloud, like in the movies. Yeah, you use your windshield wipers to get the dust every three, four miles.

And he makes the outline. Yeah. So this witness testified later on that passing this Cedar Lakeedar lake lounge she saw a light blue station wagon parked behind it because it's an abandoned thing so they're like why would a car be parked behind it that's what struck her struck this driver's attention so at that point too the school at 2 22 p.m farley's mother finally m Mrs. Kendrick, receives a phone call. Not from the school, though. No?

No. They receive a phone call demanding $50,000 in ransom for her son. We have your son. If you don't give us $50,000, we're going to kill him. That's 2.22 p.m., okay? So, obviously, she immediately calls the police. She had no idea what was going on. And now it's federal for sure.

Oh, there's kidnapping out of a school. There's ransom threats. This is an absolute FBI case now. So during this investigation, like I said, there's composite drawings and everything like that. Tracy says she's had trouble with Clark in the past, and she thinks that he might be involved in it and all this type of shit. So 4.30 in the afternoon, Clark contacts the police department himself. This is just a couple hours after the ransom call and says um i think you're probably looking for me some stuff happened today i'm gonna come down and turn myself in okay is that good

with you guys and they said sure come on down we're we're open we're before five though because really we got it we're closed we don't want to no one's staying overtime they told us no overtime this week less work searching for you the better yeah so he drove to the police station in the station wagon by the way there uh so um yeah that's what that's what happened and uh he's got a story to tell he says look here's what happened man um well first of all he agrees to take them to the scene he says i'll take you to what happened, man. Well, first of all, he agrees to take them to the scene. He says, I'll take you to what happened. They search his vehicle.

They find Farley's palm print on the roof of the car and his shoe print against the window, which is always a bad sign. They also find and seize a police scanner and a pair of pliers as well. They find. So Clark agrees to show the police where the body is. He said, yeah, there's a body. We killed him, and I'll show you where he is. Takes him to the Cedar Lake Lounge. In the back, in a small, hidden walk-in cooler

in the back of the abandoned cocktail lounge, they find Stephen stuffed into it. Oh, boy. He has insulated wire wrapped around his neck like a cord and he's been stabbed 11 times with an ice pick he is really really uh and also he's very bruised up his head he's been beaten stabbed strangled you name it here uh stabbed 11 times they said both the strangulation and the stabbing occurred while he was still alive and either could have caused his death. They can't tell.

They said that there was quite a few injuries to the head. He was either beaten with a blunt object or his face was banged up against something several times. This is fucking horrific, man. I mean, Jesus Christ. What the fuck are you doing? This is horrible, right? something several times this is fucking this is fucking horrific man i mean jesus christ what the fuck are you doing this is horrible right i mean obviously so they beat the shit out of his face they beat the shit out of him not just like i mean yeah you know i mean you see you see these all the time where they they're hitting in the head but it's like side and back this is

all like just a an abuse to the face yeah beat his ass in the beat his face up and then stabbed him strangled him who knows i assume it seems like probably stab him a bunch and he's still alive so you strangle him to maybe finish the job i don't know because the cord was around his neck yeah unless both were a part of it one strangling while the other stabbing well yeah who knows so? So at the police station, they're driving, and he tells them when they get to the bar there, by the side of the road, it's a large tin building. Of course it is a tin building.

He said that his brother turned to the vehicle after being gone for 30 minutes, or his brother returned. He said that his brother went to go get Steven, came back after 30 minutes. And he said that Jerry told him that Steven would be fine and that he took him to a house in Hobbs and then returned to Roswell. So he said, I don't know what happened. He goes, I told Steven in the car, this is Clark that, you know, you rate my friend and he denied it. And then they dropped me off.

And then my brother, Kersey, took him somewhere and said that he dropped him off in a house in Hobbs and then came back to Roswell. So I don't know. So then eventually they ended up breaking him. And he said, okay, I know where he is. So Kersey talks about getting the can of starter

fluid. And then he said later on in the day, they went to the Roswell mall and they, uh, they, you know, went through the whole fucking thing. They got the handcuffs, they got the police scanner. And he said how they discussed how they would get him out of the high school. That was a big deal. Um, so they said that, you know, I'll stay over here cause he probably knows who I am. So I want to stay away. That's why Clark wasn't involved.

So he didn't freak out in the office. And also, he looks younger. He doesn't look like a cop. So he said that they picked him when they picked Clark up. He got in the rear and placed Steven on the floor and applied the ether to his face to knock him out. Then they stopped for gas, which was what we told you there when he said, don't come near the car. And he said that his brother drove to the rear of the building, took Farley from the car into a room in the rear of the building. He said he stayed out. Kirstie says he stayed outside until

he heard a yell. And then he said he went into the room and he saw Stephen Farley on his knees with Mike Clark stabbing him with an ice pick in the upper torso and the front and back. So his brother did it. That's what he's saying. He's saying Clark did it. Clark stabbed him up. He said, Kersey says that he told him to stop, which Clark did. But then he asked Kersey to hand him a piece of insulated wire, which was by the door.

And Kersey said he only took the wire and handed it to Mike. He said he took the wire, handed it to Mike, who wrapped it around his neck and twisted it. He said then they left the room and they left the car in the area. They left the area in the car. He said, though, that he only gave him the wire because he thought he was going to tie him up. And he said, I didn't think he was going to strangle him with it.

You know, shit. So, yeah, that's... You're stabbing him and you don't expect him to be using that to... yeah he said i didn't think he was going to strangle him with it you know shit so um yeah that's stabbing him and you don't expect him to be using that to if anybody is actively murdering somebody and ask me for a murder weapon i assume yeah it's probably another some more yeah another weapon yeah they're not doing it just for shits and giggles now i'm gonna fix some electrical shit now i'm gonna fix the cord on this toaster that's been bothering me for months now that i've stabbed him a shitload i feel like this place went out of business because the lights are off i'm gonna rewire this weird yeah it's a tin building i think we can get it working again

jesus fucking christ so um anyway there's like i said they searched the car they found all this they have some physical shit. Three o'clock the next morning, two Roswell police officers went to Hobbs to talk to Kersey. Kersey had turned himself in at the local police station once he heard what was going on. And the police took Kersey to Roswell, where he gave a second statement. Now he's giving the real statement. The first one was just a, you know, I don't know. saying stuff but sometimes you forget you know when you're under the gun you forget what's true and you lie you know how that goes the second statement he begins with quote

i'll admit to kidnapping but i'm not going down for murder which is a great way to start a sentence to a police officer. Everyone, walk up to the first cop you see and go, I'll admit to kidnapping, but I'm not going down for the murder, and see what they do. Just see what they do. I bet you're in cuffs just to talk for a minute, just to have a chat chat real quick, a little chit chat. So, yeah, he said, I was eating breakfast, and told me that one of his friends, you know, got raped and beat up.

And the guy, he said, my brother asked me, would I help beat this guy up? Because I'm big. And I said, yeah, sure. I'll help kick his ass. He's a fucking rapist. I'll beat him up. Sure. So he said, yeah, I bought the handcuffs and the badge.

And I posed as a policeman in order to get Farley into the car. So now that's multiple felonies he's already admitted to so many so many terrible felonies um and he said federal by the way federal crimes he said that after he took him from the school that's when he picked up clark clark then drove to the cedar lake lounge he said he never thought that clark in a million years intended to kill farley he thought he was just gonna beat him up and then like tie him up and leave him there like oh now he can find a way to get out of here and he'll be in the desert and scared and he'll know better next time he'll keep his dick in his pants now but this guy rapes officers so obviously everything i

did is expunged right this is all above the board i feel like um yeah i feel like this is all part of uh it's routine honestly it's procedure if you look it up it's i commit federal crimes it's like it's procedure stand down this is a federal thing local guys stand down this is all federal don't worry about it i'll take care of this so um yeah he said he thought he was only going to beat him up. He said it was only once they arrived at the Cedar Lake Lounge and Farley went inside and Farley and Clark went inside. He said, I stayed outside. I heard the guy screaming there and I ran inside and said, hey, stop fighting.

He's screaming. He said, and according to them, that's when Clark stabbed him a whole shitload of times and then told him to hand him the electrical cord. So he said, Kersey said, I asked him, what are you doing? I think it's pretty obvious. I'm stabbing this guy with an ice pick while he's handcuffed. What are you doing? Murdering the shit out of him. What do you think?

So he said, Clark responded, he's seen our faces. He knows who we are. He's going to go to the police. And that's when he said hand me that cord and then he strangled him as well so um cursey agreed to stand watch while this all happened and they said cursey was sobbing loudly in the police station saying i heard robert yell out loud why are you doing this to me i got to the door and he was stabbing him so he's crying yeah he's crying while he recounts the story i'm

just so sad about it but that's the thing about people that do uh awful criminal things like rape if you rough them up they're not going to call the cops and say i see i raped a girl so these guys kicked my ass they kick my ass no they're not they're not yeah exactly they're not going to do that they're probably going to take their ass kicking and move on. That's probably. That's why you don't worry about it. That's why people rob drug dealers. What are they going to do?

Who are they going to call? What are they going to do? He stole all my coke, officer. No, it was a lot. I had a lot of coke in the house. Tons. No, I mean, yeah, it would have gone away for 50 years. But now this guy's got it, so go get him. No reason to call the cops.

Insurance doesn't need that police report. No, it doesn't so uh he said that he was yelling why you did what are you doing and this was after the stabbing he said that farley uh slid down the wall after he was kneeling and he said that he noticed at this point that that uh clark had put the handcuffs on farley again because he had took and taken him off at first to go into the place. He said he doesn't know when that happened, but Kershie said it must have happened at some point. He said that he handed him the cord because he thought he's going to tie Farley's hands

and leave him. He's already handcuffed. Why would he fucking tie his hands, too? He's handcuffed. I guess he thought maybe he was going to take the cuffs and tie him up. I don't know. He said that when he walked back to the cooler, though, when I got back, he was putting the cord around his neck and twisting it.

We already said that. And he said, Michael told me the whole way out there, all he was going to do was beat him up and talk to him. I thought he was going to beat him up and let him go. That's all it was. He said, I thought that's all he was going to do. I believed Michael when he said he would let him go. I was only going to tell Michael that was enough and it should be over right there once i heard the guy scream next thing you know he's

going he's going psycho and ice picking this fucking guy up he went too far he went to he went too far so uh after clark came outside cursey then drove them to hob, that's the town, where Kersey phoned Farley's mother and demanded $50,000. So Kersey stated that Clark suggested that they make the call and that he said that they never intended to try to collect any ransom. That wasn't the point. It was just to try to take the suspicion somewhere else, like he's been kidnapped by some kind of people, not this dirtbag unemployed check swindler here somebody you know important kidnapping him maybe maybe it's the dea we did get a letter from the dea you know maybe it's drug dealers

it could be colombian drug dealers you never know holy shit who knows so the charges are uh capital murder first degree kidnapping conspiracy to kidnap and murder, and tampering with evidence. That's not good. That's a lot. Those are heavy charges. It's a lot of charges. At the funeral, by the way, Stephen's mom is interviewed, Ms. Kendrick here. She said that school officials called her three hours after he was taken from school, like right after the ransom.

What? Right after she got a ransom call, she got a call from the school saying, hey, your son was taken by the police. Yeah. So she's like, well, there's your kidnappers. She said that since then, this is at the funeral a few days later she's heard no official explanation and the school hasn't even given condolences nothing what nothing they have not said a fucking word to her not a goddamn not even a card nothing um she's pissed off yep she's real pissed off she said that um at the funeral i just looked at my son's body. He looks so peaceful and now I feel peaceful. Jesus, this

lady is better than me. Marilyn Kendrick here. She's a nice lady. She was determined to find out how the fuck this went down, obviously. Now, Tracy's family, her mom said that the kids were dating for about 16 months

and even when he was away, they were still dating. She said, Steve was like one of our own. I don't know anyone that Steve wasn't good to, and everybody said that. Now the school, what the fuck are they saying? I'd love to know. What is going on? Pauline Ponce is the assistant superintendent. First of all, said counselors will be brought in for as long as kids need

to talk to him about that. They they school officials plan to read a statement to the students explaining the services offered. Oh, that'll really stop them from being worried. I'm sure they also the board also met with legal counsel and were briefed about the abduction, obviously, because we're about to be sued now. Well, Pauline Ponce says, Our investigation to this point shows that the policies and procedures established by the Board of Education were followed in this matter.

What? Okay. Yeah. Since that incident, school officials have said they notified Farley's guardian as required in school district procedures before permitting the man who was posing as a detective to take him away. According to the Roswell Independent School District procedures, a minor student cannot be removed from school premises, quote, without permission of a parent or guardian of the student. And the procedures later spell this out as legal guardian, but Ms. Coleman wasn't his legal guardian. That was where he was staying. That was his mom.

His friend's mom is what that was. So also they said, what's up with the policy that allows anybody to come in and arrest students in the school? Like, is the school a place where you should really be pulling kids out of class? No. School's over at some point. They'll walk out.

Then you can arrest them. But should we be doing this is one of the things. So they said the Roswell School superintendent, Fred Pomeroy, said this policy was under review. said this policy was under review but um he said the procedure was followed and quote it's not unusual for a student to be arrested at a school well that's terrific that's great kind of shit school that's great that's very unusual in my school we all there was always like three cops at the school walking around there was i'm telling there was a uh uh 21 jump street situation at my school and we had children arrested from the school but they were raided at their own homes the operation happened at the school they got them at their houses they weren't busting them they

weren't like knocking them over and taking their tater tots off their tray as they came out of the cafeteria line no they waited till they went home we had the floor get that fucking backpack off get it off kick the math book to the side motherfucker kick it aside you're not learning algebra today you scumbag let's go let me see your hands let's see hands jesus christ stop resisting drop the mash note drop it there was you're not living in a mansion i'll tell you right now it's apartment for you it's just apartment apartment apartments all that shit happened at school and they would call the police but the parents would have to be present it wasn't like a phone call you can get them at the station that's a crazy and the fucking school doesn't know these cops well that's

the thing this might be why probably this might have been like uh hey listen to what happened in new mexico possibly also so isn't that the place where the toy box killer was at yeah that oh no that was truth or consequences but isn't hobbs right there i want to say that's on the other side of the state really isn't it on the western the west? It's in central. So it's probably close. I mean, who the fuck knows? It's probably a couple hours away. I thought Hobbs was where the chick was with the handcuffs. Maybe.

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Wow. They never even said, hey, can you just flash a piece of metal at me so I can feel better tonight, just so I know. Make the sun reflect off anything shiny. Let's see it. Yep. So the school is saying we're cool. We're fine. Some of the students don't agree with it, actually, though.

They talk to a bunch of these kids. I have a bunch of quotes here. So this is the text of the statement. This is directly from a newspaper. The following is the verbatim text of the statement entitled Circumstances Regarding the Abduction of Robert Stephen Farley, released late Friday by Fred H. Pomeroy, superintendent of the Roswell Independent School District. Okay. The Roswell Independent School District has reviewed the events related to the abduction of Robert Stephen Farley

from Roswell High School on September 27, 1991. The sequence of events reported in the September 29th, 1991 edition of the Roswell Daily Record appears generally consistent with the facts of the incident as we understand them at this time. In other words, it's as bad as you read in the paper. That's what that says. Our review further indicates that the policies of the Roswell Independent School District, as set forth by the Board of Education Policy Manual were followed by the Roswell High School Administration. The issue of the request for identification by the Roswell High School Administration of the individual posing as a Roswell Police Department officer has been clarified. The individual posing as a Roswell Police Department officer displayed a two-way

radio and handcuffs and recited the miranda warning to the student right there so he must be a cop he's got a radio and handcuffs and knows his and has seen fucking hawaii 50 once or twice are you kidding me that's all are you fucking joking me i've seen better uh halloween costumes oh my god no shit this is fucking that dude that's not even he was he had they said he oh it's cleared up he didn't show identification but he was holding handcuffs and nobody could get you can't get handcuffs unless you're a cop obviously they won't they won't sell them to you jimmy they're not available. He knows rapist rights. He has handcuffs, and he has a two-way radio that goes between God only knows what other radio. Yeah. And that's the other thing.

They don't know if the Miranda rights got muddled toward the end of it or something. They don't fucking know. They work at the school. You have the right to remain silent. That's our guy. That's a cop. you have the right to remain silent he that's our guy that's a cop how many of our listeners right now could recite like the first three lines of the fucking miranda warnings 99.8 percent of them fucking word of it yeah so most people can but if you just say you have the right to remain

silent anything you say kind of will be used against you in a court of law you have a right to an attorney if you cannot afford one will be provided for you as you say that as you're walking away yeah that's a cop. Everybody knows those. Everybody. People ask if you have to ask your 10-year-old kid, you know Miranda rights? I bet they'll go, is that a right to remain silent? They'll know it. By these three things, Ted Bundy is a fucking police officer.

Yeah, absolutely a police officer. Oh, you got a radio and some handcuffs, huh? Well, oh, and you know your Miranda rights. Tell me what the Miranda rights are if you're such a cop. That is shocking. We're good because that happened, so don't blame us. I'm surprised that the Guardian didn't say, what's the address of the police station? Because that's fucking genius right there.

You know what I mean? But granted, in a small town, there might only be one in phoenix it's fucking amazing because i can go which one yeah which one which but this one is the roswell police department downtown that's it so satellite satellite or downtown what's the address downtown what's that again fucking genius that's something but they were like what a knife what do you tell yeah i'll be down there what are you talking about yeah we'll settle this shit they never thought maybe it's a fake cop right that wasn't the thought was oh obviously a witness has mixed up my kid i better go down there and help him not i bet this is a fake cop who's going to stab him with an ice pick a bunch

of times and leave him in a cooler in the middle of the desert that's not a thought you have especially if the school calls you you don't think think that. So they go on to say, contrary to a news report on October 1, 1991, a police badge was not produced. However, information released to the media September 28, 1991 by law enforcement agencies indicate that a police badge had been purchased by the abductor. Although a formal request for identification

was not made by the Roswell High School administration, our review concludes it is reasonable to believe that a police officer's badge would have been produced upon request so they said if we asked him for it he'd have shown us his fake badge and we probably wouldn't have noticed that was fake anyway they bought it yeah it was a it was a a fucking you a one you bought at the mall that was a security badge. It wasn't. Maybe you would have noticed it said security, not police detective. You ever think of that? Right.

It doesn't say Roswell PD on it. What the fuck? Yeah. What is this shit? That is wild. The RISD, the school district, will continue its cooperation with law enforcement agencies to see that justice is served as an ongoing practice of policy review the district will assess its procedures to protect the welfare of its students in an attempt to prevent any of this future any future tragedy of this type the state of the

school or the staff of the school district continues to share the sadness of uh of the family and the community of the loss of ro Stephen Farley. So there you go. Yeah. They go on to say, by the way, this is a part of it. A student may be taken into custody and detained by a law officer if a warrant of arrest properly executed by the children's court is presented to the school principal. OK, so that's one thing. How would they know if that's real, though? They would have no idea.

However, it says a student may also be taken into custody for questioning if in the course of the investigation the officer decides this to be in the best interest. So you have to present an arrest warrant, but if you just want to say, I'm going to take him, you can just take him anyway. That's the law. So the policy states that school officials must contact the student's parent or guardian by telephone to advise them of a law officer taking them into custody. Carlsbad, New Mexico police chief goes on to say that they're talking about this because they have now all the school districts in this area are like, do we have what's our policy on this? Like, are we do we let them just take kids or how does this work here?

So he said any safeguard is great on the surface. If people deviate from it, that's where that's where we get into trouble. I think what I've seen here that the administration and the faculty is very protective of the school campus. I'm sure they were at the Roswell School, too. I'm sure they weren't like, we just let people take kids. Who fucking cares? I'm sure that wasn't the attitude. They thought they were doing right. That guy just said, don't get too close to the chain link.

Yeah. Don't get too close to the chain link. I. Don't get too close to the chain link. I mean, there are people that'll snatch you, throw you in a van, windowless van, too. It's going to be scary in there. That is wild, man. So a district assistant superintendent of instruction and support services, he says that the best guarantee that everything is legitimate is to follow policy and make sure who you're talking to is who they say they are. But the policy doesn't say you have to ask for a badge. They're just skating around in all of them.

He's literally saying it over and over and over again. Stay away from the chain link. Yep. He also, this guy actually does say he stresses that anyone in any situation has the right to verify a police officer's identity. That is a fact. Yeah. At any time, you can ask a cop, let me see your badge, and they got to fucking show it to you. Who are you?

What's your fucking? They have to tell you that shit. Constantly say, I don't believe you. And they will take more and more steps to prove it. And eventually, you'll have enough. Yeah, eventually'll it'll build up but if all the only things they have are handcuffs radio not connected to shit right and badge from the mall you probably fucking are gonna by then i don't think so so badge that says

security it's already over it's over uniformed officers in marked units are readily identifiable as police officers, but plain clothes and other officers must carry a badge and a police identification card with the photograph. They'll show you two forms. Citizens also should be unafraid to call 911 to check the identity of an officer, especially if you're at a school. When the police are refused permission to arrest someone on school grounds, this cop said, quote, we don't take him. That's the end of it. We just wait until he goes home. Yeah, you don't need to take him at school.

You know where he's going to fucking go. He's a kid. He's not going to go on the lam. He doesn't fucking run for the border. What's he doing here? Now, the kids go back to school, and they're a little bit freaked out. One kid here, a 15-year-old, said, I think it's the school school's fault that that kid got killed. These kids are blame and I'll read some quotes.

I think it's the school's fault that that kid got killed. Another kid here said, I think it's terrible because the school should have taken more precautions before letting Robert go out with a man who said he was law enforcement. His friend agreed and said they should have called the police station and checked if he was a real policeman or a fake. And then another kid said they should have stopped before they reacted. I think that's what they tell the kids. Stop before you react. Right. Literally.

I think he just burned the fucking principal with his own move. That kid's awesome. Who is this? Paul Cedillo, yeah. Literally. I think he just burned the fucking principal with his own move. That kid's awesome. Who is this? Paul Cedillo, 16. He said they should have stopped before they reacted. I like this kid. He's like, let's go smoke a blunt behind the school. And you're like, all right, that's that kid.

They said that counseling was available. A kid at the junior high said, we're afraid. We all thought we were safe over there and we're not anymore. Jesus, they're afraid to go to the high school. Another student said, no one is smiling, even the ones who didn't know him. It's just weird that it happened at our school. That's something you see on Unsolved Mysteries. Except it's solved, so you wouldn't see it there. So you wouldn't see it there.

Another kid said that Farley, that she had seen Farley around the school with his girlfriend in the hall and also says they should have checked identification. And another kid said it's kind of scary that anyone could come in school, act like a cop and take a student without letting parents know before taking him away. Why does everybody unilaterally agree? Well, another kid said, quote, my dad's a cop and he says the principal should have called the police station that's courtney pennington 16 i hope she hangs out with sadio over there because they're a fucking fun combination they'd be a good time my dad says my dad says and he's right yeah um another Roswell High School sophomore here said that the school shouldn't be blamed. She said, quote, I don't think it was the school's fault at all. Whose fault is it?

Jesus Christ. Another one standing next to her agrees with her, said, quote, I don't think you can blame anyone except the people who did it. Well, I think there are people to blame, actually. You had to go through many layers when bad people uh convince good people that they're good then the the good people are dummies because they didn't yeah it's not even good convincing it's bad convincing terrible they certainly fucked up if you said show me your badge and then looked at it for more than two seconds this guy would have dropped it on the floor and ran away.

He wouldn't have. He wouldn't have. The ruse is done. He wouldn't have stayed there and argued with, you know, I am a cop. Call my supervisor right now. Take it a fucking say. Right. He would have ran away. His family, obviously Stephen's family, said Wednesday that the family is gratified that the school district has seen fit to acknowledge they did not request or receive any police identification before handing Stephen over to his abductor.

We appreciate they gave us the grounds for a monstrous, massive lawsuit against them, proved their irresponsibility in writing. Thank you. And released it to the newspaper as well, just in case, so everyone knows it. Another one said here, who is this? Oh, this is the attorney. He said, though, that they're still dismayed, the family, that this crime was so easily accomplished when a simple request for identification would have avoided the tragedy. Holy shit.

They said that the school district is going to make a complete and forthright statement. And don't worry about it. They're not hiding anything, Jimmy. They're fine. They're totally fine. The lawyer also said these questions are aggravated by the school's refusal to make a statement regarding the facts surrounding the abduction because they hadn't yet. They were like, we will. And then she said, our questions are compounded by the present reports, which we hear were a conflict with the original information we'd received from reliable sources. So now it's just information. Anyway, they're talking about a policy change. Superintendent Fred Pomeroy said they had a school board meeting. Imagine those parents there.

Actual reason to be angry at a school board meeting. Hey, a fucking kid got fucking murdered with an ice pick because you assholes handed it to him. I don't like that book. And fucking you're getting, scaring the shit out of teachers for Christ's sake. All visitors go through administration. Well, when administration is just handing children over to murderers. Here you go. What the fuck?

No, put those handcuffs on them. Yeah, that's perfect. I want to see Dateline do one of these, like, what would you do things and go to all the schools in the country and have somebody pose, I mean, obviously with the help of law enforcement. It's like the opposite of To Catch a Predator.

You're being the predator and you're trying to, the people who rightfully have the kids, you're trying to see if you can pry them from them. Let's see. That's the weirdest show ever. Catch the accidental predator. Yeah, it's fucking to frame a predator. It should be called.

That's awesome. Catch the predator facilitators. Jesus Christ. Oh, my God. So had a board meeting and said that proposed policy changes meet the demands of all concerned parties. Everything's we're good now. Everything's fine. They said that the proposals are that law enforcement officers show a badge and a photo identification. If a student's going to be removed from school, that seems pretty basic. They also said that they would now call the officers superior and verify the credentials. There you go. Wow. What a fucking what a novel.

What are the aliens bring that to you from the sky? Did you not think of that? The board plans to vote on the revisions in the next meeting. Let's not, you know, let's cool down. Let cooler heads prevail. We'll see how we feel next week. So the family, as part of this whole thing, wants the school to pay to establish a Robert Stephen Farley scholarship fund, quote, in order to further Stephen's ambitions to other deserving youth because he wanted to go to law school. So they're saying let's for kids who might want to do that. His mother thanked the people of Roswell for the tremendous support and sympathy they've expressed to us at this terrible time in our lives.

She also said she wanted to thank the news media, quote, for the professional manner in which they've covered this incident and for the respect they've shown to the family by honoring our need for privacy and our grief. News media hasn't called us a bunch of irresponsible cunts. Thank you so much. Thank you. He hasn't called us a bunch of irresponsible cunts. Thank you so much. Thank you. Have you ever, ever heard, for the professional manner in which they have covered this incident, for the respect they have shown to the family by honoring the need for privacy in their grief

with the words, the media before that, the news media, and then those words after? Never. That's the opposite. It's almost like she's being sarcastic. Thanks for showing our family by honoring our need for privacy in our time of grief thanks a lot guys really really appreciated um tracy the girlfriend she has been not talking at all like she's been like yeah she doesn't want to talk about it she she has a press conference actually oh boy that's this kid's like at this point she's

a 17 year old girl holding a press conference which is. Oh, boy. This kid's like a, at this point, she's a 17-year-old girl holding a press conference, which is pretty, any teenager who's going to hold a press conference, that's pretty impressive. That's impressive. She's shown a lot of maturity in the first place, rebuffing a 22-year-old's sexual advances. She's a grown-up. She's fucking mad mature. But, I mean, any teenager teenager to give them a press conference and not have them say in the 90s not have them go hey hey hey smoke weed every day is probably

a fucking miracle you know what i mean yeah or some sort of like holding up a w with fit two hands going whatever yeah some bullshit yeah something here fucking who knows so um said there, she said, I hope they had the press conference outside. She said, I hope you don't mind that we're having the press conference here. I'm having it here because I'm an outdoor person and I like the outside. She said, I want people to know who Robert Stephen Farley was. I won't use the past tense form of the verb, however, because he is not gone. He's in all of our hearts and will be until we meet again um she is so much smarter than me that was impressive super articulate right what

use the past tense of the i won't i don't know past tense form of the verb however because i want people to know who robert farley was and then she says she's not going to use was again that was just yeah but i would have to google that sentence to know how to write that what is she talking about now how do i say i won't use the word was intelligently how do i do that like and she knocked it out of the park in the first draft it's incredible i scream i scream he's not really dead and then i kick over some of the flowers people sent no shit okay i won't use the past tense of the verb. That's incredible. I'm impressed.

She's an honor student too, so she's smart. She's a genius. Yeah. She said he wanted to be a lawyer. Right away, this portrays the type of personality he has. Has. See, she did that. Strong, ambitious, very determined, stubborn, but willing to work as hard as necessary to

get the job done. very determined stubborn but willing to work as hard as necessary to get the job done if i only if i had uh to describe him in one word it would be love she said he loved everyone forgave everyone for everything he had so many friends because he was so patient and understanding yeah no nice kid everybody says he's a goddamn nice kid and she's doing the same thing like martin short does when he talks about his dead wife yeah that's what he does yeah have you seen the thing where somebody asks him about his wife like she's still alive and didn't know that she's dead i can't do it it's terrible dude he's sitting there and she i couldn't they're just like so yeah how's everything with your wife and everything like that and he just sits there like stone-faced like are you a fucking asshole but then he

realizes the person doesn't know. They don't know. You can see him process and go, oh, he's not being a dick. He doesn't know. He has no clue. So rather than destroy the whole interview, he just says, oh, she's the light of my life. She's wonderful, and I love her so much. Wow.

And that's what he does. He just pretends like she's still alive. Good for Martin Short for being a bigger person. Rather than jumping across the table and choking him and have him go you're martin short what the fuck man do that thing where you put your hair up and then make the fucking arms back and forth like a little weird dinosaur do that thing i had no idea someone so small could be so strong i can't breathe jesus you must have played hockey you canadian fucking crazy fuck good Good for him, man.

That guy's awesome. God, he's so cool. He's such a great person. And him and Steve Martin are like the two coolest old guys to hang out together. I love them. Absolutely love them. They hang out and they tour together. I'm like, these two should be hanging out together.

If they weren't who they are, I would hate that show. Like anything that they do. Oh, God, yeah. You know what I mean? Anything they do together, I would loathe it. If anyone else did that, I would fucking hate them for the end of time until the end of time but the fact that it was them i can't hate them can't do it i love them i love them too much somebody asked somebody asked uh uh martin short what it's like being getting roles again or

whatever and then steve martin goes I think they're talking to me. That's amazing. I love it. They're beautiful together. I love them so much. Their interviews together are hilarious. They just break each other's balls. It's so fucking great. Steve Martin's just, God, he's so great.

Just an amazing person. They don't exist anymore like that. No, no. And that generation itself is just, they didn't grow up to be that. And somehow they did. They're so fucking weird. It's great. They're so fun.

Yeah. I watched, as I'll watch any Steve Martin movie from over the years. And I was looking on, I think it was like Peacock. And I was trying to see what Steve Martin movies they had because I wanted to watch a Steve Martin movie. So I watched The Jerk, obviously, again,

for the 47,000th time. And then I saw they had The House Sitter on there. You ever seen that one? Yeah, yeah. It's terrible. It's so bad. And I'm like,

how do you get Steve Martin and Goldie Hawn together and have it be complete shit? How badly do you have to fuck things up? This is worse than Cool as Ice. I don't care for this at all i'm i'll be the judge of that tonight but yeah i didn't mind uh that i didn't mind that with goldie on her the the lies it's watchable like it could be so much better i love the plot and the chick that's in it she's in all kinds of

other things when he gets her like almost naked on the couch and they're like's in it she's in all kinds of other things when he gets her like almost naked on the couch and they're like making out and she's just in her bra as a kid i was like oh my god somebody that dresses that conservatively can be that fucking hot yeah and whose head looks like a 12 year old boy her body was insane i was stunned i'm like my God, that's under those awful Lane Bryants. That's under that flower print fucking thing with the overalls and shit. That was a weird. That was under her Wesleyan sweatshirt, triple X size Wesleyan sweatshirt, because that's what she was wearing.

Button up fucking romper, that weird thing. Oh, man. And she's a stunner. Holy shit. That movie could be better. We'll put it that way. it's fine definitely could be my favorite parts when he gets the homeless people to be as her parents that's fucking that's that is i love that they show up here they are that movie does get kind of it starts slow but it gets better as it goes everything starts to fall apart yeah at the end when everything's a shit show that's when it's

the best that's when it's good it takes a while but the very end is stupid as fuck getting on a bus and then they both lie it's dumb of course yeah yeah fuck that shit so uh go on sorry no that's where i started it i said hey have you ever seen house sitter you sorry about so many times i know so have i too i just but i just watched it the other night. So evidence here. They have an ice pick, handcuffs, the starter fluid that's mostly ether. Items, they believed, were used in the abduction and slaying. And they send that immediately to the FBI lab. Like, we don't want to fuck this up.

You take that here. And they said that the police chief personally delivered the items to the crime lab in quantico virginia he flew them there straight to the fbi handed them over they said that the uh they believe the findings are going to be substantial to the case they said though um you know they could get soil blood hair fiber all that kind of shit this is the beginning of dna so they're like hey we can we can do some stuff now at this point clark and cursey are both blaming each other for the murder oh boy that's how it works obviously um they do both admit they threw a washcloth with the ether on it a policeman's badge or security badge handcuffs handcuff key and the ice pick and uh

from their car as they drove away from the tavern. They found the badge, the key, and the washcloth. No, they haven't found the badge, the key, or the washcloth. They found some other ship, but not that. So they said they're doing additional searches. They have volunteers searching over 26 miles of mesquite and cactus covered snake infested land, they call it. Yeah. Fucking wasteland. The wasteland of New Mexico.

We're looking for a key, guys. Okay? But not a tiny one, a handcuff key. You know the tiny? That's what we're looking for. So keep an eye out, all right? Sounds good. I think this snake may have got it.

I'm going to follow him around a couple days, see if I can get it out of him. With a plastic bag like Chong looking for his weed. That's i'm gonna do really blew my really blew the dog's mind man so um he said i i have no hope or the the prosecutor said i had no hope of finding the stuff they were looking for they're very small items and not it's not a suitcase and unless you've been in that uh real been out there and walked around, you have no idea how tough this job was. Now, listen, I think you've got enough evidence anyway. If you don't find a key, a badge, and a washcloth, who gives a shit? You got blaming dual confessions.

I think we got this probably. You got about 80%. Yeah, you got 80% of everything else. The actual murder weapon matters. That's the important part. So the family, for a minute, is satisfied with what the school is doing about the, you know, they're going to change the policy. Then another thing happens. His mother, Marilyn, Stephen's mother here, she says, now, his name's Robert Stephen, but in everything people call him Stephen, then a couple people call him Robert.

But I thought more people called him Stephen, so I'm calling him Stephen. He was called Stephen in the court documents, so I called him Stephen. But then like, you know, once in a while, I don't know what the fuck. So anyway, she said an incident last week may have changed her mind that maybe things are going better. Her father, Stephen's grandfather, went to the school to buy nine yearbooks. Okay. Because they had a big special page dedicated to Stephen. They wanted to give it to the people in the family.

So he went down with $225 for nine yearbooks. And the yearbooks were presented to Marilyn and to her father there. What pissed her off, though, was when he went in to pick them up, the nine of them, school personnel failed to check his identification. They let this man walk in. Part of the new security policy instituted

after negotiations with the relatives who threatened a lawsuit if they didn't change their policy, they didn't want their money. They just said, make it better. Make other kids not get fucking kidnapped. These are nice people. Nice people.

So Marilyn, his mom, said, quote, I was extremely upset. Extremely upset. She said, I think that's what was such a shock. She thought, you know, what the fuck? Already? You're giving it up? Her father hadn't planned to do it. He wasn't doing a security

check he was just going to pay for the yearbooks but they never checked anything so he's like well what the fuck so she said um you know it's crazy honestly she says um uh quote everybody thinks just like i did that can't happen to me we're going to have to take responsibility sitting back waiting for someone else to take the first step, it could waste another life. Sure, yeah. The school believes that, you know, school officials may believe modern problems can't be solved, she said, but she believes they can. She said, I think administrators are now living back in the golden age of discipline. Rules were set and obeyed or kids were punished, but that doesn't happen now. She said that she needs the administrators to know they have a responsibility to protect students,

quote, from whether from a bogus policeman or an irate parent or no matter who. Sure. Good. So outside of court, these two are out there. One of the public defender who's been assigned to each of them asked the prosecutor rutledge to drop the death penalty for both of them why don't you drop the death penalty for them why so this lawyer recalls because you know well why don't you say you're not going to seek the death penalty for these clients come on So this lawyer claims that the prosecutor Rutledge told him he would never drop

the death penalty. He said that Mitchell claims that he says, quote, you know, it's an election year. That's what he claimed. He said politicize this thing. Rutledge denied making the comment, saying that he refused the question because he knew he knew that he had all this physical evidence. And he said, quote, I told him this is southeast New Mexico. There's no reason to go any further. That's what he said he told him. So just different differing deals here. So the district attorney here, Tom Rutledge, let's see.

He really he thinks real highly of himself. This guy. He's one of these like I'm Mr mr law and order and i'm doing this and that and i'm everything's by the book and perfect and we'll find out how he fucks something up royally here i mean fucking royally this is like we always say we make fun of this we make fun of that this is the type of shit we're talking about some bumbling asshole in southeastern new mexico doesn't know how to fucking do something right, or school administrators handing a child to a murderer and going, bye, have a good one. He did have handcuffs on him.

So what ended up happening was he said he was going to seek the death penalty. Then about 11 months later, there's a problem here. And the problem is that within a period of 10 days in a bunch of hearings and meetings, he ends up getting Clark to say he'll plead guilty. No death penalty, obviously. And the other this was in lieu of them being set free, by the way. OK. Yeah. Well, this is what happened. OK. Here. He ends up pleading guilty. Here's how it works. They said there was an announcement, a plea bargain agreement saving Clark from a possible death sentence was the only way the current district attorney could salvage his case. The trial's date expired

in June because they did not file an extension for it. Oh my God. They failed to do the paperwork in a timely fashion to where the law says for a speedy trial unfuck and it's the prosecutor's law too this law that's that's ridiculous so they said that uh yeah that could happen they said the law technically mandates a dismissal of the case though the supreme court Court could override that. They said such a mistake was extremely exceptional and not typical, saying that the severity of the death penalty case of a murder case, probably they should pay attention.

I would say the guy who's running against him for district attorney, by the way, said this is not simply a question about the mistake. It's a question about the cover up of a mistake. So, yeah, this is how it happened. In hearings in February and April, attorneys asked about the need to or they talked about the need to ask the New

Mexico Supreme Court for permission to extend the trial date for Clark and Kirstie to beyond six months, which is totally normal. Sometimes they don't go to trial for years, but you have to file extensions saying all parties are okay with this. This person's not trying to get a trial and you're delaying it

so he sits in jail. That's not okay. So the period of time of state law requires the cases to come to trial. This is a so-called six-month rule protecting defendants' constitutional right to a speedy trial. Now, the Supreme Court

liberally grants extensions, but it strictly enforces the rule when paperwork isn't filed filed. Normally on February 10th at a hearing, the court record reflects the attorneys agreeing that the defense will seek an extension if, if a time problem occurs. And on April 3rd, both defense attorneys said they had conflicts that would not allow them to go

to trial on time. 3rd both defense attorneys said they had conflicts that would not allow them to go to trial on time so the prosecutor just assumed that they filed it so he didn't guess what who's got a fucking what are we talking about who has motivation to not file something and then it'll get dismissed how about you take care of that kind of shit don Don't let the defense. What are you fucking kidding me? Why would you rely on the defense to do anything that furthers your cause? Yeah, that's what I mean. Well, they'll take care of it. They wouldn't want the case to get dismissed. I'm sure they want that.

They wouldn't want their clients to get off scot-free on a fucking murder charges. So, wow. This is fucking crazy. September 15th, as the parties were preparing for trial rutledge the da was reviewing the case file of police officers who would be testifying and discovered no one asked the supreme court to extend the six-month deadline so they had to have an immediate you know request with the supreme court to get an immediate fucking extension otherwise they have to let these kids go, period. That's it. These kids are not kids, they're guys.

So the defense attorney said, quote, the one who didn't file it, he said, it's the DA's rule. They have everything to lose if it's not filed, so they usually do it. I was under the impression it was filed. Not my fucking problem. I could give a fuck.

I couldn't give a fuck. Yeah, dismiss it. I don't care. Now, Rutledge, the DA da says his office was at fault for not making sure the extension had been filed he said anytime anything needs to be done in a case it's our responsibility i'm the district attorney i take responsibility for fucking up royally and almost letting two child killers go so a day after the mistake was discovered the assistant district attorney who is responsible for the case files resigned. So they said, someone's going down for this and it's not guy who's up for reelection. It's fucking this guy.

That's who it is. Appointed. That guy can leave. He's taken off. He's going to resign. So, yeah, he is. He resigned in the following days. The guy readied the paperwork and asked the Supreme Court to consider a late extension at that point.

So it's at this point where a deal is brokered. Because it's like, listen, Supreme Court might give you an extension. They might not. Maybe my guy will get the death penalty or he'll walk free. How about we make a deal? What do you say? If it's based on electric chair free maybe we talk maybe we talk and that's exactly now the prosecutor's ready to make a deal

and he says that uh the next day they made a deal and he said in right light of recent developments is how he started it in light of recent uh fuck ups yeah but the he would plead guilty to murder and kidnapping and receive at minimum a life sentence. So it's not like it's, you know, he's going to get 10 years here. The defense attorney said that the paperwork mishap and the potential for the Supreme Court throwing the cases out was all that saved him from the death penalty. He said, there's no doubt in my mind Rutledge would never have dropped the death penalty if it wasn't for the rule extension. That was my bargaining chip. And I think I think I saved the boy's life.

Probably. Well, whoever didn't file that saved the boy's life. But you noticed it. So that's great. So, yeah, the plea was filed and all that shit. So he ends up also in the same deal. He says that he would not plea bargain with Kersey, though, which is so strange. I'll plea bargain with the guy who I'm pretty sure did all the killing.

But this guy I won't plea bargain with, which is very strange. He said, though, the next day that he will drop the death penalty for him. He said that he didn't feel it was right to pursue the death penalty for one defendant when he agreed to life in prison for the other, especially the one who did all the fucking killing. That's ridiculous. He said, yeah, they said this is one of the lawyers said if they haven't if they hadn't blown the six month rule, the only life sentence Clark or Kersey would have gotten would have been handed down by a jury. The mistake is what made the deal. The facts didn't change at all.

So they dropped all of that. But Kersey is still going to go to trial, though. Really? Yeah. They give made the deal. The facts didn't change at all. So they dropped all of that. But Kersh, he's still going to go to trial, though. Really? Yeah. They give him the extension. He's going to go to trial. The trial starts six days after the election. So there's that.

He he says, I hope this is Rutledge. I hope that the people will look at what happened and listen to the one key phrase. And he says, that that marilyn kendrick said this is what my son would have wanted now he's saying he's doing it not because they fucked up and had no choice but because because that he was a nice kid and didn't like violence he wouldn't want them put to death that's what the family's saying now to help the prosecutor save a little bit of face here so um yeah the. The father, Luther Farley, Stephen's father,

said he's not pleased with the deals. He said, these guys are being let off easy and it's just wrong. I want those boys given the most fair trial this country can give and then I want to see them

die in the gas chamber or the electric chair or whatever they got in New Mexico. Well, in New Mexico, I think it's black scorpions. I was going to say, I think they just tie you to a fucking pole outside and let the elements take you. Snakes and iguanas and shit just nibble at your ball sack while the sun rots you away. And weird cat-related animals.

Oh, lynx and some fire ants. Some ring-tailed something or other. A ring-tailed lemur with fire ants on his back. Coming for you. That controls scorpions for no reason. Yeah, he can make a call to them and they swarm. So during Clark, because Clark pled guilty, like we said, his sentencing, he addresses the court and stated to the family that he was sorry. That's what he did.

I'm sure he did. His mother gave a tearful plea for mercy, and the court heard, though, a taped message from Luther Farley, who asked that the court impose the maximum penalty allowed by law. He sent a max, though? Yeah, he just sent a tape. He said, I'm not fucking flying all the way to New Mexico. You know what I want. First things first, fuck New Mexico.

Second, fry this bitch. Fry this motherfucker up. So also the police officers involved in the case testified and said that Clark has never shown any remorse for his act whatsoever. The judge says, you, sir sir may fuck off life in prison yeah now that is life for the murder charge plus 24 years for kidnapping as well so he won't be eligible eligible for parole for 42 years starting from 91 which is now coming up very soon. That is 11 years from now. Yeah. Yeah.

So he'll be, the prosecutor said, we're satisfied with him getting basically 24 years on top of a life sentence. So he's not eligible for parole until he's served 42 years and he'd be 65 then. Yeah, that's old. That's old. So that's old to get out of jail and have any energy to kill anymore, I guess. So Kelsey goes to his trial now. Jerry Kelsey here. Not Kelsey.

I'm just saying Kelsey. Did I say Kelsey? I did say Kelsey. It's Kelsey. So Jerome Kelsey, the ball player, like the trailblazer. So anyway, after conferring with the family of the of robert stephen farley the prosecution decided against seeking the death penalty uh and like we said he said you have two individuals where they're both culpable in the same crime you commit one to life in prison i don't see how you

can go ahead and put the death penalty on the other when there's no tangible difference between their acts at all well actually there is one killed the guy one said hand me another murder weapon yeah that's okay here you go um she also said the supreme court uh reviews the issue of proportionality among the death penalty so the supreme court probably strike that death penalty down anyway yeah because the other guy didn't get it and that that happened we've had a million cases like that she She said it's basically a review to determine if the law is being applied even-handedly. So the mother here, Marilyn, that's Stephen's mother,

she said, why would we ask for the death penalty for one if we didn't ask for it for the other? She said that they called me and gave me the options of what they wanted to go after. Yeah, right. Yeah, but their hands were tied though that's the problem what do you want although they'll probably get struck down on appeal and the other guy we almost had to set him free but what do you want though really we want to make

you happy us to exact revenge for you let me ask you how do you think you'll fuck it up the least what do you have the least chance of fucking up do it that way how's that hey ma'am since you're not a lawyer nor any sort of law background tell us what you want us to do what do you want us to do so marilyn says quote steven was a christian and i think he felt that justice would have been done in the end so he's like you know there you go he'll get he'll get his in the whatever judgment day so uh kirsty testifies in his own trial here. He says that he went into the building, saw him being stabbed. He said he heard Farley yell, why are you doing this to me?

And they asked him, did you intend that Robert Stephen Farley be killed? And in tears on the stand, he said, no, never. They said that he stepped on a wire going into the building and clark told him to hand it over and that's when he said he saw him wrap it around and twist it and uh he said he drove back to hobbs while clark threw various items out the window he said what was going through my mind is why did he do this and how is i going to get out of this yeah so uh closing arguments here uh they say that the prosecutor obviously says it's we proved him guilty. She said even if he didn't kill Farley, he can be found guilty of murder if he helped encouraged or caused the murder.

You know, if he handed a kidnapped person to the murder, then handed him a murder weapon afterwards. Things like that are facilitating murder. Right. You know where he participated in the murder. That part. That part, you know, that and the kidnapping too that's the other thing uh she said quote the real issue is the defendant's state of mind what did cursey mean to have happened what was he thinking about and uh obviously the prosecution says that uh he was quote calm a cool calm and at ease with what he was doing she said this whole crime was committed with incredible smugness because he thought he would be long gone from Roswell

by the time the police ever knew a crime had been committed. Do you not realize that there was... Roswell's not the only town? He wasn't going to South America. He was going to Hobbs. They'll still find you in Hobbs. And the other one was going to be going back to

fucking Albuquerque eventually. No, he lived in Hobbes. Yeah. And the other one was going to be going back to fucking Albuquerque eventually. You know, like that's, it's still in Mexico. No, he lived in Roswell. No, the, oh, yeah. Kersey, though. Yeah. Kersey lived in Albuquerque. Yeah.

Yeah. Hobbes lived in Roswell. Where do you, where do you, either of you, you're still staying in the same state, for Christ's sake. No shit. So, uh, deliberations. It's a six-man, six-woman jury. Uh-huh. Uh, deliberations last twoations last two hours and they find him guilty. He's obviously fucking guilty.

He admits everything. Sentencing comes in. He faces 38 years in addition to the life sentence. And the life sentence amounts to 30 years before possibility of parole. That's a life sentence in New Mexico. So, yeah, 18 plus that yeah so we're talking 60 well no that would be that that's 38 there so that'd be 68 yeah but then with i don't know current then it might just be 38 well it's well it's 30 it's not concurrent it's on top but it's 30 but then you'd have to do that 30 but then do the 38 does the parole time for the 38 years go along with the

30 years that you're in there does that then start over do you have to do like 30 years and then half of that and then you know half of the 38 that's what i'm thinking probably so you probably end up doing yeah reset the shot clock he should have to do it again probably end up doing almost 50 years before your chance of parole so um yeah he says uh um or i'm sorry this is the mother marilyn and during the sentencing tells cursey quote 14 and a half months ago you changed my life you took away something very precious to me you're uh you've given me a life sentence you've given a lot of people a life sentence. I feel sorry for your parents. Wow. That's fucking awesome. That's a burner.

That is great. That's like why old dog shot that Korean lady and fucking menaced the society. I feel sorry for your mother. I feel sorry for your mother. Yeah. So then Marilyn looked over at Kersey's mom and said, Mrs. Kersey, I know how you feel. If I can help you through this, I will.

I know the pain. Oh, and then after the whole thing, they were seen for several minutes hugging each other and crying and talking to each other. They both know that's that's most of the time, though, you don't get that sort of maturity from somebody to go. Listen, you're sad and I'm sad. You blame them. Well, you must have done something to make your kid an asshole to fucking kill my kid. Maybe I should be a Christian, James.

Everybody on the Christian side of this fucking argument is being so mature. They're being very mature. Yeah, well, we'll get them in different arguments and see how mature they are. You know what I mean? So I think it's a wash, Jimmy. Yeah, yeah.

So he may be. So he, Kersey, just prior to being sentenced, he turned toward Marilyn and said, quote, from my heart, I'm sorry. Nothing I can say will bring him back. I'm sorry. That's I'm sorry. And that's not the that's not for the court. But you, my mother has lost her son, too. I'm not crying for me, but for her. And the judge says, okay, you, sir, may fuck off.

Life plus 18 years. So there you go. It's like 39 before parole. So basically the same as the other guy. But the other guy got a couple more years because he should because he did the actual killing. I got a couple more years because he should because he did the actual killing. So the Marilyn said she's satisfied with the district attorney's decision. She said it put an end to a lot of things to not go for the death penalty. We can just start going on with life.

Stephen would have wanted it this way. And the father said he was pissed off and he wasn't there for the verdict. But he's happy the kids going to the guys going to jail. Tracy said that she's just glad it's over, obviously. She also said, it has improved my faith in the judicial system and it showed my generation that justice can be done. Her generation? In the 90s.

When did justice not get done? Well, then that was 93. Then two years later later they were like well he's not guilty what the fuck for real wait never mind hey remember hey generation remember when we said that justice can be done and that everybody scratch all that scratch it all dna doesn't matter i'm telling you you, it's fucked. Fuck the justice system. It's fucked. Case is still open, you guys. That's what happens. So after that, 1993, there is a wrongful death suit as well.

Yeah. Both of them that are sentenced are being sued. Marilyn and Luther here, on behalf of the estate of Robert Stephen Farley, filed a wrongful death complaint against Michael Clark and Jerry Kersey. filed a wrongful death complaint against Michael Clark and Jerry Kersey, alleging that her son suffered great pain and mental anguish and lost his expected lifetime earnings, which is he was going to be a lawyer and he was only 17, so that's 40 years of lawyer money.

Yeah. Yeah. And saying the slaying caused his estate to incur medical and burial expenses as well now in addition to that um this whole crew was on the maury povich show really yeah pre like you know when they used to just fight and take kids to boot camp and shit and like do paternity tests so yeah it's just you're not the father type shit so um during this the whole show was devoted to this whole thing and it was a lot of it was it was dedicated to greater campus security protect the kids type of shit the show featured an interview with jerry kersey he was on there

really absolutely he was on there uh saying he poses a police officer and all that type of shit. And Marilyn wanted him there. Mom wanted him there. She said, quote, I wanted Jerry to tell how easy it was to get Stephen out of school. And that was my main purpose in taping the show. That's it. So that's wow. That's wild. So also they had Tracy Jarvis was there. Her his friend Danny Coleman who he lived with the Guardian who got the phone call Debbie Coleman. They all got flown into New York and all that type of shit. And yeah. So there you go. Now Kirstie appeals this whole thing by the way quickly. He appeals.

He is trying to find out he says the kidnapping conviction was not supported by evidence that could establish each element of the crime beyond a reasonable doubt are you fucking kidding me you went on tv and admitted that you posed as a police officer you talked to two different school employees and told them i'm here to kidnap a child and then did it in front of their eyes and then took him to be murdered um he contends that the state failed to prove that Farley was held for service against his will. He was in fucking handcuffed him, handcuffed him. How the fuck do you do that? He said that they also failed to prove that Farley was taken with the intent to hold him for ransom. Jesus Christ. So, wow, this is fucking ridiculous they he argues that um yeah he was

held to service against his will that's what they said they didn't are he said they didn't do it we define this is the court hold to service element of kidnapping as requiring that the victim be held against his or her will or perform some act or to forego performance of some act for the benefit of someone or something. So that's pretty anything. If you tell a guy, walk into that car, and they weren't planning on doing that, that's kidnapping. Sure. If you're doing it against their will. Applying the above standard of review to the definition of hold to service against the victim's will,

we hold there was sufficient evidence that Clark and Kersey held Farley for service service against his will cursey took farley from the high school through deception and force no shit um they were gonna slap him around a little bit teach him a lesson that's all kidnapping you can't kidnap someone then go we were just gonna slap him around a little bit and teach him a lesson oh we're sorry never mind we were gonna drop him off before the buses got there at the end of the fucking day so um yeah they said the court also concluded that the restraint and incidental movement to the murder uh the victim did not constitute holding for service under new mexico's kidnapping statute blah blah blah hold on kersey also contends the state failed to present sufficient evidence to support a finding that farley was taken with the intent to hold him for ransom.

Yeah, he said we never intended that. They said they find substantial evidence presented that this to support this alternative theory of kidnapping. Kersey admitted to calling Farley's mother and demanding $50,000. You did these things. That's the thing. His argument is I didn't intend to kidnap him or collect a ransom, but you kidnapped him and then fucking held him asking for ransom. So that doesn't matter what your intentions were. It's what you did.

That's fucking crazy. You're not charged with premeditated kidnapping. You're just charged with doing it. And you did it. Jesus fucking Christ, man. did it jesus fucking christ man uh because a rational jury could have found cursey guilty of kidnapping on either theory presented by the state we affirm the conviction of kidnapping and obviously murder and you can keep on fucking off and taking a hike assholes so both of those assholes are still in prison uh till the early 2030s and then they'll be out and they'll hear

this podcast and upset or at least shame good good they should at least be shamed fuck them right in their fucking asses so there you go that is roswell new mexico a non-alien murder story there you go i hope that the two of them are terrible inmates and get time tacked on and never yeah i hope so too bad people just very absolutely fuck yeah and at least nobody said there was no conspiracy I looked for it too Jimmy I looked all through the papers I could not find one person going like maybe he was kidnapped by aliens you know what I mean yeah like when he was missing I'm like there's got to be one asshole yeah so and he's probably got a probe in his ass

yeah I mean who took him I mean he could have been taken by, you know, whatever the fuck. Especially, too, it hadn't come out yet, but the way Fuller dressed up, he put, like, black sunglasses and dressed in all black. So it's like the men in black came and got him, and they probably traded him to the aliens for, like, something else. That's all I'm saying. He's probably on some planet with, like, a tube hooked up to his brain. In exchange for never dying batteries.

They wanted a stuffed crust pizza. They said they didn't understand how you could get cheese into a crust. So like they were like, we'll trade. And then we were like, all right, cool. So it's that and the stuffed crust. And then they're going to bring back something else. These batteries will never die. The batteries will never die.

Yeah, that's what we want. That's what we get in exchange for this kid and a stuffed crust pizza. We get everlasting, real Everlast batteries. So there you go. That is Roswell, New Mexico. Fucking mess and a dirty mess. What a story, man. What a story.

What a brazen. What a fucking brazen thing to do. It's literally every parent's nightmare that you send your kid somewhere, no matter if it's school or anywhere, that you expect them to be safe and they never come home. They never come home. It's the worst. And it's even worse when they're, if it's one thing, if he's walking home and somebody pulls him, you know, plucks him up over the chain link and fucking throws him in a van. But for the school administrators to hand him to the murderers is a new one. That's not done often, honestly, I don't think.

This is the reason I don't hand my children off to any agent of any sort in exchange. As a divorced parent, I would never hand my kid to anybody other than their mother. It's never happening. Let's see some ID, chief. It's that simple. There you go. Perfect. I mean, Jesus Christ, man. But that's Roswell ID, chief. That simple. There you go. Perfect. I mean, Jesus Christ, man.

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Tampa, Orlando, Florida. Yeah, go down and get those, too, because those are in clubs, too. Those are at the Improv. So a little smaller venue. That'll be fun. You'll be like fucking six inches away from us. We won't even have the buffer of the theater stage. It'll be fun.

It's going to be fun. No, we like that shit, actually. We're comics, so we like a comedy club environment. It'll be a good time. That's more comfortable for us than this big theater. And those improvs are really nice. They're really nice, too. They are.

They're fun. Check them out. Except watch out for roosters at the tampa one they're everywhere around there all over that fucking place distance come to tampa kick a rooster and see us don't kick a rooster probably don't do that oh they'll get your tickets those things are me oh they'll peck the shit out of you probably those things will cut you they whip out like a little switchblade probably they don't even need razors to cockfight they just sharpen their fucking on the fucking concrete right on the asphalt sit out there filing them on sidewalks so get all of that get all your tickets to live shows all

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five dollars or above at patreon.com slash crime and sports you're going to get everything that we do all of the bonus materials that you could ask for. Everything. Tons of stuff. Bonus episodes. You're going to get crime and sports bonus and small town murder bonus.

The whole back catalog. And this week is no different. My goodness. And I'm dying while I'm saying it. So sign up for Patreon or I'll die. No. Yeah. So,

yeah, do that. This week's episodes for crime and sports. We are going to talk about the downfall of Bobby Knight, who was like Mr. Middle American national champion basketball coach. You know, show some respect for Mr. Knight, kids, and shit like that. And talk about snapping and going off the deep end and really fucking your whole legacy up. Yeah. Absolutely. We'll talk about his

downfall for sure there and then uh for small town murders bonus we are going to talk about some prison shit first of all we're going to talk about a documentary we've discussed a whole lot here and there we're going to bring it all together and talk about like a 27 year old documentary that's on hbo max it's great. We're still talking about it. It's called Lock Up Rikers Island. So we'll talk about that and then we're going to talk about some other prison stuff on top of that. Just kind of how it's changed

since the mid 90s and all that kind of shit. We'll get into all of it and it'll be very funny. It's going to be a lot of between that and the first one. It's just going to be it's going to be interesting. We'll put it that way. so get your get your get your tickets to that i almost just said jesus get your tickets to patreon they last forever uh there you go patreon.com slash crime and sports like i said and uh do that also you

can make a donation on paypal if you want to just get your shout out and good karma of course paypal just use our email address crimeandsports at gmail.com. That said, God damn it, Jimmy. I need to hear the list of good people that would never, ever, ever walk into our children's school and kidnap them at handcuffed and stab them with ice picks. Jimmy, hit me with the names of these wonderful people. This week's executive producer, Cameron Kuchwara, Jordan Bennett, of course, James Setchfield, I think, Maria Weiderker,

Colette Cialante, I believe, Amoro Mayo-Perez, Jaden Poulinot, Poulinot? I don't know. Poulinot? That'll just make it tighter. Yeah.

And Sade Morganan? Morganan. Morganan i don't look well shit thank you if i knew how to pronounce it i'd probably be in your family uh other producers this week are paula collins alex hopper liz vasquez billy ray valentine you know who he is uh susanna plot plat uh who we're putting out the cools on the floor? Corporal Carl Kirchner Peyton Meadows, Brandon Schreck and Savannah Walker Are getting married

Congratulations you crazy kids That seems like the right thing to do Joey Pepperoni nips Richard Spencer Jr. is beating cancer Keep it up Richard Nicholas Parker Robert Hodling Frank Zachra The South African bird washer Beating Cancer. Keep it up, Richard. Nicholas Parker. Robert Hodling.

Frank Zachra. The South African Bird Washer. That's who that is. Day Man. Not to be confused with the Night Man. Keith Cole. Janice Hill. Jason Ohanian. Mike East. Happy birthday, Mike. Joey Nix. Mariah Ulrich. Scooby Dooch. That's pretty good.

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Kendall Armstrong. Step forward. Answer for your charges. Jesus. Candice Walbeck. Judith Carter. Brent Sponsel. Joel Hoyt.

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Charlie McMeans. Mike Chekowitz. I donowan, Lindsay Chansley, Bane Turnbow, Wendy Steer, Jason Goodwin, Wolf Pusey. All right. Kerry Soperdyer Brandon would know last name Corey Clark Tommy would know last name Fred Thomas Kirk Wildermuth Allison Brantham

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No, no, Hernandez Hannah S. Jeremy Eves, Michael Banks, Luke with no last name, Michael Neblett, Terry A. Tiff, Zachos, MD, PhD, DVM, Diplomat, American College of Veterinary Surgeons. She's a big deal, evidently. Renee Patterson, Ian Black, Ian, I think, Sarah Nielsen, Lala with no last name, Brad Lutz, Craig Driscoll, Shan with no last name, Marshall Banana, Ava Bowling, Tara Hacker, Praise Hewn, Andrea Menes, Michael Ferguson, Paul would no last name, Tracy Moyer, Mike Crotchburns, James, Jr., though.

Great. Burns, James. Junior, though. Samantha Danielle. It's an old problem. Ryland H. Karina Schmidt. Nathan Williams. James Acamano. Jesus. Angelina Groman. David Horn. Ashley

Laverne. Amanda Heron. Cameron Hatfield. Eric with no last name. And Allison Nelder. Nelder. That's who it is. Thank you guys so much for everything. Thank you, everybody. Thank you. Thank you. That's who it is. Thank you guys so much for everything. Thank you, everybody. Thank you. Thank you.

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. We can't thank you enough, honestly. Thank you for what you do for us. We do appreciate it. And we're looking forward to seeing everybody out there on the road as we have been this year.

It's been fantastic. You guys showing up to these shows. It's so awesome. It really is. Thank you. If you want more of us, you want to follow us on social media, very easy to do that. Just go to shutupandgivememurder.com. Links are all there.

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